Bonus Episode: Listen to the Superseding Indictment

[0] The following is a reading of the Trump -classified documents, superseding indictment.

[1] Parts of the text have been edited for clarity and ease of listening.

[2] The recording was produced using an artificial voice generator.

[3] United States of America versus Donald J. Trump, Waltine Nata, and Carlos de Oliveira, superseding indictment.

[4] The grand jury charges that, one.

[5] Defendant Donald J. Trump was the 45th president of the United States of America.

[6] He held office from January 20, 2017, until January 20, 2021.

[7] As president, Trump had lawful access to the most sensitive classified documents and national defense information gathered and owned by the United States government, including information from the agencies that comprise the United States Intelligence Community and the United States Department of Defense.

[8] Two, over the course of his presidency, Trump gathered newspapers, press clippings, letters, notes, cards, photographs, official documents, and other materials in cardboard boxes that he kept in the White House.

[9] Among the materials Trump stored in his boxes were hundreds of classified documents.

[10] Three, the classified documents Trump stored in his boxes included information regarding defense and weapons capabilities of both the United States and foreign countries, United States nuclear programs, potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attacks, and plans for possible retaliation in response to a foreign attack.

[11] The unauthorized disclosure of these classified documents could put at risk the national security of the United States, foreign relations, the safety of the United States military, and human sources, and the continued viability of sensitive intelligence collection methods.

[12] 4.

[13] At 12 p .m. on January 20, 2021, Trump ceased to be president.

[14] As he departed the White House, Trump caused scores of boxes, many of which contained classified documents to be transported to the Mara Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida, where he maintained his residence.

[15] Trump was not authorized to possess or retain those classified documents.

[16] Five.

[17] The Mara Lago Club was an active Social Club, which, between January 2021 and August 2022, hosted events for tens of thousands of members and guests.

[18] After Trump's presidency, the Mara Lago Club was not an authorized location for the storage, possession, review, display, or discussion of classified documents.

[19] Nevertheless, Trump stored his boxes containing classified documents in various locations at the Mara Lago Club, including in a ballroom, a bathroom and shower, an office space, his bedroom, and a storage room.

[20] On two occasions in 2021, Trump showed classified documents to others as follows.

[21] In July 2021, at Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey, the Bedminster Club, during an audio -recorded meeting with a writer, a publisher, and two members of his staff, none of whom possessed a security clearance, Trump showed and described a plan of attack that Trump said was prepared for him by the Department of Defense and a senior military official.

[22] Trump told the individuals that the plan was highly confidential and secret.

[23] Trump also said, as president I could have declassified it, and now I can't, you know, but this is still a secret.

[24] B. In August or September 2021, at the Bedminster Club, Trump showed a representative of his political action committee who did not possess a security clearance a classified map related to a military operation and told the representative that he should not be showing it to the representative and that the representative should not get too close.

[25] Seven.

[26] On March 30, 2022, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, FBI, opened a criminal investigation into the unlawful retention of classified documents at the Mar -a -Lago Club.

[27] A federal grand jury investigation began the next month.

[28] The grand jury issued a subpoena requiring Trump to turn over all documents with classification markings.

[29] Trump endeavored to obstruct the FBI and grand jury investigations and conceal his continued retention of classified documents by.

[30] Among other things, A. suggesting that his attorney falsely represented to the FBI and grand jury that Trump did not have documents called for by the grand jury subpoena.

[31] B, directing defendant Walteen Nauda to move boxes of documents to conceal them from Trump's attorney, the FBI, and the grand jury.

[32] C, suggesting that his attorney hide or destroy documents called for by the grand jury subpoena, D, providing to the FBI and grand jury just some of the documents called for by the grand jury subpoena while claiming that he was cooperating fully.

[33] E, causing a certification to be submitted to the FBI and grand jury, falsely representing that all documents called for by the grand jury subpoena had been produced, while knowing that, in fact, not all such documents had been produced.

[34] And, F, attempting to delete security camera footage at the Mar -a -Lago Club to conceal information from the FBI and grand jury.

[35] As a result of Trump's retention of classified documents after his presidency and refusal to return them, hundreds of classified documents were not recovered by the United States government, until 2022 as follows.

[36] On January 17th, nearly one year after Trump left office, and after months of demands by the National Archives and Records Administration for Trump to provide all missing presidential records, Trump provided only 15 boxes, which contained 197 documents with classification markings, B. On June 3rd, in response to a grand jury subpoena demanding the production of all documents, with classification markings, Trump's attorney provided to the FBI 38 more documents with classification markings.

[37] C. On August 8th, pursuant to a court -authorized search warrant, the FBI recovered from Trump's office and a storage room at the Mar -a -Lago Club 102 more documents with classification markings, Trump's co -conspirators.

[38] 9.

[39] Defendant Nata was a member of the United States Navy stationed as a valet in the White House during Trump's presidency.

[40] Beginning in August 2021, NADA became an executive assistant in the office of Donald J. Trump and served as Trump's personal aid or body man. Nata reported to Trump, worked closely with Trump, and traveled with Trump.

[41] Beginning in January 2022, defendant Carlos de Olivaira was employed as the property manager at the Mara Lago Club.

[42] Prior to holding the position of property manager, De Olivavera was employed as a valet at the Mara Lago Club.

[43] The Mara Lago Club, 11.

[44] The Mara Lago Club was located on South Ocean Boulevard in Palm Beach, Florida, and included Trump's residence, more than 25 guest rooms, two ballrooms, a spa, a gift store, exercise facilities, office space, and an outdoor pool and patio.

[45] As of January 2021, the Mara Lago Club had hundreds of members and was staffed by more than 150 full -time, part -time, and temporary employees, 12.

[46] Between January 2021 and August 2022, the Mar -a -Lago Club hosted more than 150 social events, including weddings, movie premieres, and fundraisers that together drew tens of thousands of guests, 13.

[47] The United States Secret Service, the Secret Service, provided protection services to Trump and his family after he left office, including at the Mara Lago Club, but it was not responsible for the protection of Trump's boxes or their contents.

[48] Trump did not inform the Secret Service that he was storing boxes containing classified documents at the Mara Lago Club.

[49] Classified Information.

[50] 14.

[51] National Security Information was information owned by, produced by, produced for, and under the control of the signed on April 17, 1995, as amended by Executive Order 13292 on March 25, 2003, and Executive Order 1356 on December 29, 2009, National Security Information was classified as top secret, secret, or confidential as follows.

[52] A. Information was classified as top secret, if the unauthorized disclosure of that information, reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security that the original classification authority was able to identify or describe.

[53] B. Information was classified as secret if the unauthorized disclosure of that information reasonably could be expected to cause serious damage to the national security that the original classification authority was able to identify or describe.

[54] C. Information was classified as confidential.

[55] If the unauthorized disclosure of that information reasonably could be expected to cause damage to the national security that the original classification authority was able to identify or describe.

[56] 15.

[57] The classification marking no foreign stood for not releasable to foreign nationals and denoted that dissemination of that information was limited to United States persons.

[58] 16.

[59] Classified information related to intelligence sources, methods, and analytical processes was designated as sensitive compartmented information, SCI.

[60] SCI was to be processed, stored, used, or discussed in an accredited sensitive compartmented information facility, SCIF, and only individuals with the appropriate security clearance and additional SCI permissions were authorized to have access to such national security information, 17.

[61] When the vulnerability of, or threat to specific classified information was exceptional, and the normal criteria for determining eligibility for access to classified information were insufficient to protect the information from unauthorized disclosure, the United States could establish special access programs, SAP, to further protect the classified information.

[62] The number of these programs was to be kept to an absolute minimum, and limited to programs in which the number of persons who ordinarily would have access, would be reasonably small and commensurate with the objective of providing enhanced protection for the information involved.

[63] Only individuals with the appropriate security clearance and additional SAP permissions were authorized to have access to such national security information, which was subject to enhanced handling and storage requirements.

[64] 18.

[65] Pursuant to Executive Order 13526, information classified at any level could be lawfully accessed only by persons determined by an appropriate United States government official to be eligible for access to classified information and who had signed an approved non -disclosure agreement, who received a security clearance, and who had a need to know the classified information.

[66] After his presidency, Trump was not authorized to possess or retain classified documents.

[67] 19.

[68] Executive Order 1356 provided that a former president could obtain a waiver of the need -to -know requirement if the agency head or senior agency official of the agency that originated the classified information, one, determined in writing that access was consistent with the interest of national security, and, two, took appropriate steps to protect classified information from unauthorized disclosure or compromise, and ensured that the information was safeguarded in a manner consistent with the order.

[69] Trump did not obtain any such waiver after his presidency, the executive branch departments and agencies whose classified documents Trump retained after his presidency.

[70] 20.

[71] As part of his official duties as president, Trump received intelligence briefings from high -level United States government officials, including briefings from the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, senior White House officials, and a designated briefer.

[72] He regularly received a collection of classified intelligence from the United States intelligence community, USC, known as the President's Daily Brief, 21.

[73] The USC's mission was to collect, analyze, and deliver foreign intelligence and counterintelligence information to America's leaders, including the president, policymakers, law enforcement, and the military, so they could make sound decisions to protect the United States.

[74] The USC consisted of United States executive branched.

[75] departments and agencies responsible for the conduct of foreign relations and the protection of national security, 22.

[76] After his presidency, Trump retained classified documents originated by or implicating the equities of multiple USC members and other executive branch departments and agencies, including the following, A, the Central Intelligence Agency, CIA.

[77] CIA was responsible for providing intelligence on foreign countries and global.

[78] issues to the president and other policymakers to help them make national security decisions.

[79] B, the Department of Defense, DOD.

[80] DoD was responsible for providing the military forces needed to deter war and ensure national security.

[81] Some of the executive branch agencies comprising the U .S .IC were within DOD.

[82] C, the National Security Agency.

[83] The National Security Agency was a combat support agency within DOD and a member of the USC responsible for foreign signals intelligence and cybersecurity.

[84] This included collecting, processing, and disseminating to United States policymakers and military leaders foreign intelligence derived from communications and information systems, protecting national security systems, and enabling computer network operations.

[85] D. The National Geospatial Intelligence Agency.

[86] The National Geospatial Intelligence Agency was a combat support agency within DOD, responsible for the exploitation and analysis of imagery, imagery intelligence, and geospatial information in support of the national security objectives of the United States and the geospatial intelligence requirements of DOD, the Department of State, and other federal agencies.

[87] E. The National Reconnaissance Office.

[88] The National Reconnaissance Office was an agency within DOD responsible for developing, acquiring, launching, and operating space -based surveillance and reconnaissance systems that collected and delivered intelligence to enhance national security.

[89] F. The Department of Energy was responsible for maintaining a safe, secure, and effective nuclear deterrent to protect national security, including ensuring the effectiveness of the United States nuclear weapons stockpile without nuclear explosive testing.

[90] G. the Department of State and Bureau of Intelligence and Research.

[91] The Department of State was responsible for protecting and promoting United States security, prosperity, and democratic values.

[92] Within the Department of State, the Bureau of Intelligence and Research was a member of the USC and responsible for providing intelligence to inform diplomacy and support United States diplomats.

[93] Trump's public statements on classified information, 23.

[94] As a candidate for President of the United States, Trump made the following public statements, among others, about classified information.

[95] A. On August 18, 2016, Trump stated, In my administration, I'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information.

[96] No one will be above the law.

[97] B. On September 6, 2016, Trump stated, we also need to fight this battle by collecting intelligence and then protecting, protecting our classified secrets.

[98] We can't have someone in the Oval Office who doesn't understand the meaning of the word confidential or classified.

[99] See, on September 7, 2016.

[100] Trump stated, One of the first things we must do is to enforce all classification rules and to enforce all laws relating to the handling of classified information.

[101] 24.

[102] As President of the United States, on July 26, 2018, Trump issued the following statement about classified information.

[103] As the head of the executive branch and commander -in -chief, I have a unique constitutional responsibility to protect the nation's classified information, including by controlling access to it.

[104] More broadly, the issue of a former executive branch official's security clearance raises larger questions about the practice of former officials maintaining access to our nation's most sensitive secrets long after their time in government has ended.

[105] Such access is particularly inappropriate when former officials have transitioned into highly partisan positions and seek to use real or perceived access to sensitive information to validate their political attacks.

[106] Any access granted to our nation's secrets should be in furtherance of national, not personal interests.

[107] Trump's retention of classified documents after his presidency, 25.

[108] In January 2021, as he was preparing to leave the White House, Trump and his White House staff, including NADA, packed items, including some of Trump's boxes.

[109] Trump was personally involved in this process.

[110] Trump caused his boxes, containing hundreds of classified documents, to be transported from the White House to the Mara Lago Club, 26.

[111] From January through March 15th, 2021, some of Trump's boxes were stored in the Mara Lago Club's white and gold ballroom, in which events and gatherings took place.

[112] Trump's boxes were for a time stacked on the ballroom's stage, 27.

[113] In March 2021, Nata and others moved some of Trump's boxes from the white and gold ballroom to the business center at the Mara Lago Club, 28.

[114] On April 5th, 2021, an employee of the office of Donald J. Trump, Trump Employee 1, texted another employee of that office, Trump Employee 2, to ask whether Trump's boxes could be moved out of the business center to make room for staff to use it as an office.

[115] Trump employee 2 replied, whoa, okay, so POTUS specifically asked Walt for those boxes to be in the business center because they are his papers.

[116] Later that day, Trump Employee 1 and Trump Employee 2 exchanged the following text messages.

[117] Trump employee.

[118] 2.

[119] We can definitely make it work if we move his papers into the lake room, Trump employee.

[120] 1.

[121] There is still a little room in the shower where his other stuff is.

[122] Is it only his papers he cares about?

[123] There's some other stuff in there that are not papers.

[124] Could that go to storage?

[125] Or does he want everything in there on the property?

[126] Trump employee Two, yes, anything that's not the beautiful mind paper boxes can definitely go to storage.

[127] Want to take a look at the space and start moving tomorrow a .m.?

[128] After the text exchange between Trump Employee 1 and Trump Employee 2, in April 2021, some of Trump's boxes were moved from the business center to a bathroom and shower in the Mara Lago Club's lake room, 30.

[129] In May 2021, Trump directed that a storage room on the ground floor of the Mar -a -Lago Club, the storage room, be cleaned out so that it could be used to store his boxes.

[130] The hallway leading to the storage room could be reached from multiple outside entrances, including one accessible from the Mar -a -Lago Club pool patio through a doorway that was often kept open.

[131] The storage room was near the liquor supply closet, linen room, lock shop, and various other rooms.

[132] 31.

[133] On June 24th, 2021, Trump's boxes that were in the lake room were moved to the storage room.

[134] After the move, there were more than 80 boxes in the storage room, 32.

[135] On December 7th, 2021, Nodda found several of Trump's boxes fallen and their contents spilled onto the floor of the storage room, including a document marked, Secret, which denoted that the information in the document was releasable only to the Five Eyes Intelligence Alliance, consisting of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

[136] Nodda texted Trump Employee 2.

[137] I opened the door and found this.

[138] Noda also attached two photographs he took of the spill.

[139] Trump employee 2 replied, oh no, oh no, and I'm sorry POTUS had my phone.

[140] One of the photographs not a texted to Trump employee too is depicted below with the visible classified information redacted.

[141] Trump's unlawful retention of this document is charged in count eight of this superseding indictment.

[142] Trump's disclosures of classified information in private meetings, 33.

[143] In May 2021, Trump caused some of his boxes to be brought to his summer residence at the Bedminster Club.

[144] Like the Mar -a -Lago Club, after Trump's presidency, the Bedminster Club was not an authorized location for the storage, possession, review, display, or discussion of classified documents, 34.

[145] On July 21, 2021, when he was no longer president, Trump gave an interview in his office at the Bedminster Club to a writer and a publisher in connection with a then -forthcoming book.

[146] Two members of Trump's staff also attended the interview, which was recorded with Trump's knowledge and consent.

[147] Before the interview, the media had published reports that, at the end of Trump's term as president, a senior military official, the senior military official, purportedly feared that Trump might order an attack on country A, and that the senior military official advised Trump against doing so, 35.

[148] Upon greeting the writer, publisher, and his two staff members, Trump stated, look what I found.

[149] This was the senior military official's plan of attack.

[150] Read it and it shows.

[151] It's interesting.

[152] Later in the interview, Trump engaged in the following exchange, Trump.

[153] Well, with the senior military official.

[154] Uh, let me see that.

[155] I'll show you an example.

[156] He said that I wanted to attack country A. Isn't it amazing?

[157] I have a big pile of papers this thing just came up.

[158] Look, this was him.

[159] They presented me. They presented me. this.

[160] This is off the record, but they presented me this.

[161] This was him.

[162] This was the defense department and him.

[163] Writer.

[164] Wow.

[165] Trump.

[166] We looked at some.

[167] This was him.

[168] This wasn't done by me. This was him.

[169] All sorts of stuff.

[170] Pages long.

[171] Look.

[172] Wait a minute.

[173] Let's see here.

[174] Staffer.

[175] Laughter.

[176] Yeah.

[177] Trump.

[178] Except it is like highly confidential.

[179] Staffer.

[180] Yeah.

[181] Laughter.

[182] Trump.

[183] Trump.

[184] Secret.

[185] This is secret information.

[186] Look, look at this.

[187] You attack.

[188] And By the way, isn't that incredible?

[189] Staffer, yeah?

[190] Trump.

[191] I was just thinking because we were talking about it.

[192] And, you know, he said, he wanted to attack country A. And what?

[193] This was done by the military and given to me. Uh, I think we can probably, right?

[194] See, as president, I could have declassified it.

[195] Staffer.

[196] Yeah, laughter.

[197] Now we have a problem.

[198] Trump, isn't that interesting?

[199] At the time of this exchange, the writer, the publisher, and Trump's two staff members, did not have security clearances or any need to know any classified information about a plan of attack on country A. The document that Trump possessed and showed on July 21st, 2021, is charged as count 32 in this superseding indictment.

[200] 32.

[201] In August or September, 2021, when he was no longer president, Trump met in his office at the Bedminster Club with a representative of his political action committee, the P .C. Representative.

[202] During the meeting, Trump commented that an ongoing military operation in country B was not going well.

[203] Trump showed the PAC representative a classified map of country B and told the PEE representative that he should not be showing the map to the PC representative and to not get too close.

[204] The PC representative did not have a security clearance or any need to know classified information about the military operation.

[205] 37.

[206] On February 16th, 2017, four years before Trump's disclosures of classified information set forth above, Trump said at a press conference, the first thing I thought of when I heard about it is, how does the press get this information that's classified?

[207] How do they do it?

[208] You know why?

[209] Because it's an illegal process, and the press should be ashamed of themselves.

[210] But more importantly, the people that gave out the information to the press should be ashamed of themselves.

[211] Really ashamed.

[212] Trump's production of 15 cardboard boxes to the National Archives and Records Administration.

[213] 38.

[214] Beginning in May 2021, the National Archives and Records Administration, an ARA, which was responsible for archiving presidential records, repeatedly demanded that Trump tum over presidential records that he had kept after his presidency.

[215] on multiple occasions.

[216] Beginning in June, Nara warned Trump through his representatives that if he did not comply, it would refer the matter of the missing records to the Department of Justice.

[217] 39.

[218] Between November 2021 and January 2022, NADA and Trump Employee 2, at Trump's direction, brought boxes from the storage room to Trump's residence for Trump to review.

[219] 40.

[220] On November 12, 2021, Trump Employee 2 provided Trump a photograph of his boxes in the storage room by taping it to one of the boxes that Trump Employee 2 had placed in Trump's residence.

[221] Trump Employee 2 provided Trump the photograph so that Trump could see how many of his boxes were stored in the storage room.

[222] The photograph, shown below, depicted a wall of the storage room against which dozens of Trump's boxes were stacked.

[223] 41.

[224] On November 17, 2021, NADA texted Trump Employee 2 about the photograph Trump Employee 2 had provided to Trump, stating, he mentioned about a picture of the boxes he wants me to see it.

[225] Trump Employee 2 replied, calling you shortly, 42.

[226] On November 25, 2021, Trump Employee 2 texted Nata about Trump's review of the contents of his boxes, asking, has he mentioned boxes to you?

[227] I delivered some, but I think he may need more.

[228] Could you ask if he'd like more in Pine Hall?

[229] Pine Hall was an entry room in Trump's residence.

[230] Nata replied in three successive text messages.

[231] Nothing about boxes yet.

[232] He has one he's working on in Pine Hall, knocked out two boxes yesterday.

[233] 43.

[234] On November 29, 2021, Trump employee, too, texted Nata asking, Next, you are on property, no rush.

[235] Could you help me bring four more boxes up?

[236] Nata replied, Yes, of course, 44.

[237] On December 29th, 2021, Trump Employee 2 texted a Trump representative who was in contact with Nara.

[238] Box answer will be wrenched out of him today, promise.

[239] The next day, Trump Representative 1 replied in two successive text messages.

[240] Hey, just checking on boxes, would love to have a number to them today.

[241] Trump employee 2 spoke to Trump and then responded a few hours later.

[242] in two successive text messages.

[243] Twelve is his number, 45.

[244] On January 13th, 2022, NADA texted Trump Employee 2 about Trump's tracking of boxes, stating, he's tracking the boxes, more to follow today on whether he wants to go through more today or tomorrow.

[245] Trump Employee 2 replied, Thank you, 46.

[246] On January 1S.

[247] 2022, Nata sent Trump employee to four successive text messages.

[248] One thing he asked was for new covers for the boxes, for Monday morning.

[249] Can we get new box covers before giving these to them on Monday?

[250] They have too much writing on them.

[251] I marked too much.

[252] Trump Employee 2 replied, yes, I will get that.

[253] 47.

[254] On January 17, 2022, Trump Employee 2 and NADA gathered 15 boxes from Trump's residence, loaded the boxes in Nata's car, and took them to a commercial truck for delivery to NARA, 48.

[255] When interviewed by the FBI in May 2022 regarding the location and movement of boxes before the production to NARA, NARA made false and misleading statements as set forth in count 38 of this superseding indictment, including A falsely stating that he was not aware of Trump's boxes being brought to Trump's residence for his review before Trump provided 15 boxes to NARA in January 2022, B falsely stating that he did not know how the boxes that he and Trump employee, too, brought from Trump's residence to the commercial truck for delivery to NARA on January 17th, 2022, had gotten to the residence, and C. When asked whether he knew where Trump's boxes had been stored before they were in Trump's residence, and whether they had been in a secure or locked location, not a falsely response.

[256] responded, I wish, I wish I could tell you, I don't know, I don't, I honestly, just don't know.

[257] 49.

[258] When the 15 boxes that Trump had provided reached NARA in January 22, NARA reviewed the contents and determined that 14 of the boxes contained documents with classification markings.

[259] Specifically, as the FBI later determined, the boxes contained 197 documents, with classification markings, of which 98 were marked secret, 30 were marked top secret, and the remainder were marked confidential.

[260] Some of those documents also contained SCI and SAP markings, 50.

[261] On February 9, 2022, NARA referred the discovery of classified documents in Trump's boxes to the Department of Justice for Investigation.

[262] The FBI and Grand Jury Investigations, 51.

[263] On March 30, 2022, the FBI opened a criminal investigation.

[264] 52.

[265] On April 26, 2022, a federal grand jury opened an investigation.

[266] The defendant's concealment of boxes.

[267] Fifty -three.

[268] On May 11, 2022, the grand jury issued a subpoena, the May 11th subpoena, to the office of Donald J. Trump, requiring the production of all documents with classification markings in the possession, custody, or control of Trump or the office of Donald J. Trump.

[269] Two attorneys representing Trump, Trump Attorney 1, and Trump Attorney 2 informed Trump of the May 11th subpoena, and he authorized Trump Attorney 1 to accept service, 54.

[270] On May 22, 2022, NADA entered the storage room at 3 .47 p .m. and left approximately 34 minutes later, carrying one of Trump's boxes, 55.

[271] On May 23, 2022, Trump met with Trump Attorney 1 and Trump Attorney 2 at the Mar -a -Lago Club to discuss the response to the May 11th subpoena.

[272] Trump Attorney 1 and Trump Attorney 2 told Trump that they needed to search for documents that would be responsive to the subpoena and provide a certification that there had been compliance with the subpoena.

[273] Trump, in some and substance, made the following statements, among others, as memorialized by Trump Attorney 1.

[274] I don't want anybody looking.

[275] I don't want anybody looking through my boxes.

[276] I really don't.

[277] I don't want you looking through my boxes.

[278] B. Well, what if we...

[279] What happens if we just don't respond at all or don't play ball with them?

[280] C. Wouldn't it be better if we just told them we don't have anything here?

[281] D. Well, look, isn't it better if there are no documents?

[282] 56.

[283] While meeting with Trump Attorney 1 and Trump Attorney 2 on May 23rd, Trump, in sum and substance, told the following story, as memorialized by Trump Attorney One.

[284] Attorney, he was great.

[285] He did a great job.

[286] You know what?

[287] He said, he said that it, that it was him, that he was the one who deleted all of her emails, the 30 ,000 emails, because they basically dealt with her scheduling and her going to the gym and her having beauty appointments.

[288] And he was great.

[289] And he, so she didn't get in any trouble because he said that he was the one who deleted them.

[290] Trump related the story more than once that day.

[291] On May 23rd, Trump also confirmed his understanding with Trump Attorney 1 that Trump Attorney 1 would return to the Mara Lago Club on June 2nd to search for any documents with classification markings to produce in response to the May 11th subpoena.

[292] Trump Attorney 1 made it clear to Trump that Trump Attorney 1 would conduct the search for responsive documents by looking through Trump's boxes that had been transported from the White House and remained.

[293] in storage at the Mar -a -Lago Club.

[294] Trump indicated that he wanted to be at the Mar -a -Lago club when Trump Attorney 1 returned to review his boxes on June 2nd and that Trump would change his summer travel plans to do so.

[295] Trump told Trump Attorney 2 that Trump Attorney 2 did not need to be present for the review of boxes, 58.

[296] After meeting with Trump Attorney 1 and Trump Attorney 2 on May 23rd, Trump delayed his departure from the Mar -a -Lago Club, to the Bedminster Club for the summer, so that he would be present at the Mar -a -Lago Club on June 2nd when Trump Attorney 1 returned to review the boxes, 59.

[297] Between Trump's May 23rd meeting with Trump Attorney 1 and Trump Attorney 2 to discuss the May 11th subpoena, and June 2nd, when Trump Attorney 1 returned to the Mar -a -Lago Club to review the boxes in the storage room, Noda removed, at Trump's direction, a total of approximately 64 boxes from the storage room and brought them to Trump's residence, as set forth below.

[298] A. On May 24th, 2022, between 5 .30 p .m. and 5 .38 p .m., Nata removed three boxes from the storage room.

[299] B. On May 30th, 2020, at 908 a .m., Trump and Nodda spoke by phone for approximately 30 seconds.

[300] Between 10 .02 a .m. and 11 .50.

[301] A .m., NADA removed a total of approximately 50 boxes from the storage room, C. On May 30th, 2020, at 1233 p .m., a Trump family member texted Nata.

[302] Good afternoon, Walt.

[303] Happy Memorial Day.

[304] I saw you put boxes to POTUS room.

[305] Just FYI and I will tell him as well.

[306] Not sure how many he wants to take on Friday on the plane.

[307] We will not have a room for them.

[308] Plain will be full with luggage.

[309] Thank you, Nata replied.

[310] Good afternoon, ma 'am.

[311] Thank you so much.

[312] I think he wanted to pick from them.

[313] I don't imagine him wanting to take the boxes.

[314] He told me to put them in the room and that he was going to talk to you about them.

[315] D. On June 1st, 2022, beginning at 12 .52 p .m., Noda removed approximately 11 boxes from the storage room.

[316] 60.

[317] On June 1st, 2022, Trump spoke with Trump attorney one by phone, and asked whether Trump Attorney One was coming to the Mar -a -Lago Club the next day, and for exactly what purpose.

[318] Trump Attorney One reminded Trump that Trump Attorney One was going to review the boxes that had been transported from the White House and remained in storage at the Mar -a -Lago Club so that Trump Attorney One could have a custodian of records certify that the May 11th subpoena had been complied with fully.

[319] 61.

[320] On June 2nd, 2022, the day that Trump Attorney 1 was scheduled to review Trump's boxes in the storage room, Trump spoke with Nata on the phone at 9 .29 a .m. for approximately 24 seconds, 62.

[321] Later that day, between 1233 p .m. and 12 .52 p .m., Nata and de Oliveira moved approximately 30 boxes from Trump's residence to the storage room, 63.

[322] In some, between, between May 23, 2022, and June 2nd, 2022, before Trump Attorney 1's review of Trump's boxes in the storage room, NADA, at Trump's direction, moved approximately 64 boxes from the storage room to Trump's residence, and Noda and Di Olivera brought to the storage room only approximately 30 boxes.

[323] Neither Trump nor Nata informed Trump attorney one of this information, the false certification to the FBI and the grand jury, 64.

[324] On the afternoon of June 2nd, 2022, as Trump had been informed, Trump Attorney 1 arrived at the Mar -a -Lago Club to review Trump's boxes to look for documents with classification markings in response to the May 11th subpoena.

[325] Trump met with Trump attorney one before Trump Attorney 1 conducted the review.

[326] NADA escorted Trump Attorney 1 to the storage room, 65.

[327] Between 353 p .m. and 623 p .m., Trump Attorney 1 reviewed the contents of Trump's boxes in the storage room.

[328] Trump Attorney 1 located 38 documents with classification markings inside the boxes, which Trump Attorney 1 removed and placed in a Redwelled folder.

[329] Trump Attorney 1 contacted Nata and asked him to bring clear duct tape to the storage room, which Nata did.

[330] Trump Attorney 1 used the clear duct tape to seal the Redweld folder with the documents with classification markings inside, 66.

[331] After Trump Attorney 1 finished sealing the Red Welled folder containing the documents with classification markings that he had found inside Trump's boxes, Nata took Trump Attorney 1 to a dining room in the Mar -a -Lago Club to meet with Trump.

[332] After Trump Attorney 1 confirmed that he was finished with his search of the storage room, Trump asked, did you find anything?

[333] Is it bad?

[334] Good.

[335] 67.

[336] Trump and Trump Attorney 1 then discussed what to do with the Red Weld folder containing documents with classification markings and whether Trump Attorney 1 should bring them to his hotel room and put them in a safe there.

[337] During that conversation, Trump made a plucking motion, as memorialized by Trump Attorney 1.

[338] He made a funny motion as though, well, okay, why don't you take them with you to your hotel room, and if there's anything really bad in there, like, Like, you know, pluck it out.

[339] And that was the motion that he made.

[340] He didn't say that, 68.

[341] That evening, Trump Attorney 1 contacted the Department of Justice and requested that an FBI agent meet him at the Mar -a -Lago Club the next day, June 3rd, so that he could turn over the documents responsive to the May 11th subpoena, 69.

[342] Also that evening, Trump Attorney 1 contacted another Trump attorney, Trump Attorney 3, and asked her if she would come to the Mara Lago Club the next morning to act as a custodian of records and sign a certification regarding the search for documents with classification markings in response to the May 11th subpoena.

[343] Trump Attorney 3, who had no role in the review of Trump's boxes in the storage room, agreed.

[344] 70.

[345] The next day, on June 3, 2022, at Trump Attorney One's request, Trump Attorney 3 signed a certification as the custodian of records for the Office of Donald J. Trump and took it to the Mar -a -Lago Club to provide it to the Department of Justice and FBI.

[346] In the certification, Trump Attorney 3, who performed no search of Trump's boxes, had not reviewed the May 11th subpoena and had not reviewed the contents of the Redwell folder, stated, among other things, that, based upon the information, that had been provided to her, a diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Florida.

[347] B. This search was conducted after receipt of the subpoena in order to locate any and all documents that are responsive to the subpoena, and C, any and all responsive documents accompany this certification.

[348] 71.

[349] These statements were false because, among other reasons, Trump had directed NADA to move boxes before Trump Attorney 1's June 2nd review, so that many boxes were not searched and many documents responsive to the May 11th subpoena could not be found, and in fact, were not found by Trump Attorney 1.

[350] 72.

[351] Shortly after Trump Attorney 3 executed the false certification on June 3, 22, Trump Attorney 1 and Trump Attorney 3 met at the Mar -a -Lago Club with personnel from the Department of Justice and FBI.

[352] Trump Attorney 1 and Trump Attorney 3 turned over the Redweld folder containing documents with classification markings, as well as the false certification signed by Trump Attorney 3 as custodian of records.

[353] Trump, who had delayed his departure from the Mar -a -Lago Club, joined Trump Attorney 1 and Trump Attorney 3 for some of the meeting.

[354] Trump claimed to the Department of Justice and FBI that he was an open book, 73.

[355] Earlier that same day, Nauta, Diolavera, and others loaded several of Trump's boxes along with other items on the aircraft that flew Trump and his family north for the summer.

[356] The attempt to delete security camera footage, 74.

[357] On June 3rd, 2022, when FBI agents were at the Mar -a -Lago Club to collect the documents with classification markings from Trump Attorney 1 and Trump Attorney 3, the agents observed that there were surveillance cameras located near the storage room, 75.

[358] On June 22nd, 2022, the Department of Justice emailed an attorney for Trump's business organization, a draft grand jury subpoena requiring the production of certain security camera footage from the Mara Lago Club, including footage from cameras on the ground floor, basement, where the storage room was located, 76.

[359] On June 23, 2022, at 8 .46 p .m. Trump called de Oliveira, and they spoke for approximately 24 minutes, 77.

[360] On Friday, June 24, 2022, the Department of Justice emailed the attorney for Trump's business organization, the final grand jury subpoena, which required the production of any and all surveillance records, videos, images, photographs, and or CCTV from internal cameras at certain locations at the Mar -a -Lago Club, including on the ground floor, basement, from January 10th, 2022 to June 24, 22, 78.

[361] That same day, June 24th, 2022 at 1 .25 p .m., Trump Attorney 1 spoke with Trump by phone regarding the subpoena for security camera footage.

[362] At 3 .44 p .m., Nodda received a text message from a coworker, Trump Employee 3, indicating that Trump wanted to see Nodda.

[363] Less than two hours later, Nata, who was scheduled to travel with Trump to Illinois the next day, changed his travel schedule and began to make arrangements to go to Palm Beach, Florida instead.

[364] 79.

[365] Nata provided inconsistent explanations to colleagues for his sudden travel to Florida.

[366] At 7 .14 p .m. on June 24th, he texted one person that he would not be traveling with Trump, the next day, because he had a family emergency and used shushing emojis.

[367] At 9 .48 p .m. that night, he texted a Secret Service agent that he had to check on a family member in Florida.

[368] And after he arrived in Florida on June 25th, he texted the same Secret Service agent that he was in Florida working, 80.

[369] Around the same time on June 24th that Nada was making his travel plans to go to Florida, NADA and De Oliveira contacted Trump Employee 4, who was the Director of Information Technology, IT, at the Mar -a -Lago Club, as follows.

[370] A. At 502 p .m., Nata sent text messages to Trump employee 4 asking, Hey, bro, you around this weekend?

[371] B. At 5.

[372] At 505 p .m., Nata texted Dea Olivera asking, hey, brother, you working today?

[373] Di Olivera responded, yes, I just left.

[374] Nata then called Di Olivera and they spoke for approximately two minutes.

[375] See, at 5 .09 p .m., Trump Employee 4 texted a response to Nata.

[376] I am local, entertaining some family that came to visit.

[377] What's up?

[378] Nata responded to Trump employee 4.

[379] Okay, cool.

[380] No biggie just wanted to see if you wear around.

[381] Enjoy, bro.

[382] At 6 .56 p .m., Di Olivera texted Trump.

[383] Employee 4.

[384] Hey, buddy, how are you?

[385] Walter call me early said it was trying to get in touch with you.

[386] I guess he's coming down tomorrow.

[387] I guess needs you for something.

[388] Trump Employee 4 responded.

[389] He reached out, but he didn't say what he wanted.

[390] I told him I was local, but entertaining some family that came from NYC this weekend.

[391] He told me to no worries.

[392] Ah.

[393] At 6 .58 p .m., Trump Employee 4 texted Nata, Bro, if you need me, I can get away for a few.

[394] Just let me know.

[395] Nata responded, sounds good, thank you.

[396] 81.

[397] On Saturday, June 25, 2022, Nata traveled from Bedminster, New Jersey, to Palm Beach, Florida.

[398] Prior to Nata's trip, Di Olivera told a valet at the Mara Lago Club, Trump Employee Five, that Nata was coming down.

[399] Di Olivera asked Trump employee five not to tell anyone.

[400] that Nata was coming down because Nata wanted the trip to remain secret.

[401] Di Olivera also told Trump Employee Five that Nada wanted Di Olivera to talk to Trump Employee 4 to see how long camera footage was stored.

[402] 82.

[403] Shortly after arriving in Palm Beach on the evening of June 25th, Nada went to the Mar -a -Lago Club and met with Deolivera at 5 .46 p .m. At the Mar -a -Lago Club, Noda and DiLovara went to the security guard booth, where surveillance video is displayed on monitors, walked with a flashlight through the tunnel where the storage room was located, and observed and pointed out surveillance cameras, 83.

[404] On Monday, June 27, 2022, at 9 .48 a .m., Di Olivera walked to the IT office where Trump Employee 4 was working with another employee in the IT department.

[405] Di Olivera requested that Trump Employee 4 step away from the office, so that Di Olivera and Trump Employee 4 could talk.

[406] 84.

[407] At 9 .49 a .m., Trump Employee 4 and Di Olivera left the area of the IT office together and walked through a basement tunnel.

[408] Di Olivera took Trump Employee 4 to a small room known as an audio closet near the white and gold ballroom.

[409] Once inside the audio closet, Di Olivera and Trump Employee 4 had the following exchange.

[410] A. Di Olivera told Trump employee 4 that their conversation should remain between the two of them.

[411] B. De Oliveira asked Trump Employee 4 how many days the server retained footage.

[412] Trump Employee 4 responded that he believed it was approximately 45 days.

[413] C. Di Olivera told Trump Employee 4 that the boss wanted the server deleted.

[414] Trump employee 4 responded that he would not know how to do that and that he did not believe that he would have the rights to do that.

[415] Trump Employee 4 told Di Olivera that Di Olivera would have to reach out to another employee who was a supervisor of security for Trump's business organization.

[416] Di Olivera then insisted to Trump Employee 4 that the boss wanted the server deleted and asked, What are we going to do?

[417] 85.

[418] At 10 .14 a .m., Di Olivera texted Nata, who was still in Florida.

[419] Hey, buddy, are you working today?

[420] Di Olivera then called Nata at 1015 a .m. and they spoke for approximately one minute, 86.

[421] Later that day, at 106 p .m., Nada texted De Olivaura, who was at the Mar -a -Lago Club.

[422] On my way to you.

[423] Between 1 .31 p .m. and 150 p .m., De Oliveira walked through the bushes on the northern edge of the Mar -a -lago Club property to meet with Noda on the adjacent property, then walked back to the IT office that he had visited that morning, and then walked again through the bushes on the northern edge of the Mar -a -Lago Club property to meet with Nata on the adjacent property.

[424] 87.

[425] At 355 p .m., Trump called de Oliveira, and they spoke for approximately three and a half minutes.

[426] The court -authorized search of the Mar -a -Lago Club, 88.

[427] In July 2022, the FBI and grand jury obtained and reviewed surveillance video from the Mar -a -Lago Club, showing the movement of boxes set forth above.

[428] 89.

[429] On August 8th, 2022, the FBI executed a court -authorized search warrant at the Mara Lago Club.

[430] The search warrant authorized the FBI to search for and seize, among other things, all documents with classification markings, 90.

[431] During the execution of the warrant at the Mar -a -Lago Club, the FBI seized 102 documents with classification markings in Trump's office and the storage room, 91.

[432] Just over two weeks after the FBI discovered classified documents in the storage room and Trump's office, on August 26, 2022, NADA called Trump Employee Five and said words to the effect of, Someone just wants to make sure Carlos is good.

[433] In response, Trump Employee Five told Noda that de Oliveira was loyal and that Di Olivera would not do anything to affect his relationship with Trump.

[434] That same day, at NADA's request, Trump employee five confirmed in a signal chat group with Nata and the PAC representative that De Oliveira was loyal.

[435] That same day, Trump called Di Olivera and told Deolivera that Trump would get Di Olivera an attorney.

[436] Counts one through 32, 92.

[437] The general allegations of this superseding indictment are realleged and fully incorporated here by reference.

[438] 93.

[439] On or about the dates set forth in the table below, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida.

[440] And elsewhere, the defendant, Donald J. Trump, having unauthorized possession of, access to, and control over documents relating to the national defense, did willfully retain the documents and fail to deliver them to the officer and employee of the United States entitled to receive them.

[441] That is, Trump, without authorization, retained at the Mar -a -Lago Club documents relating to the national defense, including the following.

[442] Count 33.

[443] Conspiracy to obstruct justice.

[444] 94.

[445] The general allegations of this superseding indictment are realleged and fully incorporated here by reference.

[446] The conspiracy and its objects, 95.

[447] From on or about May 11, 22 through in or around August 2022, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida and elsewhere, the defendants, Donald J. Trump, Walteen Nata, and Carlos de Olivaira did knowingly combine, conspire, confederate, and agree with each other and with others known and unknown to the grand jury, to engage in misleading conduct toward another person and corruptly persuade another person to withhold a record, document, and other object from an official proceeding, violation of 18 USC.

[448] To corruptly persuade another person with intent to cause and induce any person to alter, destroy, mutilate, and conceal an object with intent to impair the object's integrity and availability for use in an official proceeding in violation of 18 USC, and to corruptly alter, destroy, mutilate, and conceal a record, document, and other object from an official proceeding in violation of 18 U .S .C. The purpose of the conspiracy, 96.

[449] The purpose of the conspiracy was for Trump to keep classified documents he had taken with him from the White House and to hide and conceal them from a federal grand jury.

[450] The manner and means of the conspiracy, 97.

[451] The manner and means by which the defendants sought to accomplish the objects and purpose of the conspiracy included, among other things, the following.

[452] A. Suggesting that Trump Attorney 1 falsely represent to the FBI and the grand jury that Trump did not have documents called for by the May 11th subpoena, B, moving boxes of documents to conceal them from Trump Attorney 1, the FBI, and the grand jury, C suggesting that Trump attorney one hide or destroy documents called for by the May 11th subpoena.

[453] D, providing to the FBI and grand jury just some of the documents called for by the May 11th subpoena, while Trump claimed he was cooperating fully, E, causing a false certification to be submitted to the FBI and grand jury representing that all documents with classification markings had been produced, when in fact, they had not.

[454] F, making false and misleading statements to the FBI, and G, attempting to delete security camera footage from the Mara Lago Club to conceal the footage from the FBI and grand jury.

[455] Count 34, withholding a document or record.

[456] 98.

[457] The general allegations of this superseding indictment are realleged and fully incorporated here by reference.

[458] Ninety -nine.

[459] From on or about May 11, 2022, through in or around August 2022, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida and elsewhere, the defendants, Donald J. Trump and Waltine Nata, did knowingly engage in misleading conduct toward another person and knowingly corruptly persuade and attempt to persuade another person with intent to cause and induce any person to withhold a record, document, and other object from an official proceeding, that is, one.

[460] Trump attempted to persuade Trump Attorney 1 to hide and conceal documents from a federal grand jury, and 2, Trump and NADA misled Trump Attorney 1 by moving boxes that contained documents with classification markings so that Trump Attorney 1 would not find the documents and produce them to a federal grand jury.

[461] Count 35.

[462] Corruptly concealing a document or record.

[463] 100.

[464] The general allegations of this superseding indictment are realleged and fully incorporated here by reference.

[465] 101.

[466] From on or about May 11, 22, through in or around August 2022, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida and elsewhere, the defendants Donald J. Trump and Walteen Nata did corruptly conceal a record, document, and other object, and attempted to do so with the intent to impair the object's integrity and availability for use in an official proceeding.

[467] That is, Trump and Nodda hid and concealed boxes that contained documents with classification markings from Trump Attorney 1 so that Trump Attorney 1 would not find the documents and produce them to a federal grand jury.

[468] Count 36.

[469] Concealing a document in a federal investigation.

[470] 102.

[471] The general allegations of this superseding indictment are realleged and fully incorporated here by reference.

[472] 103.

[473] From on or about out May 11, 2022, through in or around August 2022, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida, and elsewhere, the defendants, Donald J. Trump and Waltine Nata, did knowingly conceal, cover up, falsify, and make a false entry in any record, document, and tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, and influence the investigation and proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of a department and agency of the United States and in relation to and contemplation of any such matter.

[474] That is, during a federal criminal investigation being conducted by the FBI, one, Trump and Nodda hid, concealed, and covered up from the FBI Trump's continued possession of documents with classification markings at the Mar -a -Lago Club.

[475] And two, Trump caused a false certification to be submitted to the FBI.

[476] FBI.

[477] Count 37.

[478] Scheme to conceal.

[479] 104.

[480] The general allegations of this superseding indictment are realleged and fully incorporated here by reference.

[481] 105.

[482] From on or about May 11, 22, through in or around August 22, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida, and elsewhere, the defendants, Donald J. Trump and Walteen Noda, in a matter within the jurisdiction of the judicial branch and executive branch of the United States government, did knowingly and willfully falsify, conceal, and cover up by any trick, scheme, and device a material fact.

[483] That is, during a federal grand jury investigation and a federal criminal investigation being conducted by the FBI, Trump and NADA hid and concealed from the grand jury and the FBI Trump's continued possession of documents with classification markings.

[484] Count 38.

[485] False statements and representations.

[486] 106.

[487] The general allegations of this superseding indictment are realleged and fully incorporated here by reference.

[488] 107.

[489] On or about June 3, 2022, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida and elsewhere, the defendant, Donald J. Trump, in a matter within the jurisdiction of the judicial branch and the executive branch of the United States government, did knowingly and will make and cause to be made a materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statement and representation.

[490] That is, during a federal grand jury investigation and a federal criminal investigation being conducted by the FBI, Trump caused the following false statements and representations to be made to the grand jury and the FBI in a sworn certification executed by Trump Attorney 3.

[491] A. A diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Florida.

[492] B. This search was conducted after receipt of the subpoena in order to locate any and all documents that are responsive to the subpoena.

[493] And C. Any and all responsive documents accompany this certification.

[494] 108.

[495] The statements and representations set forth above were false, as Trump knew, because Trump had directed that boxes be removed from the storage room before Trump Attorney 1 conducted the June 2nd, 22 search for documents with classification markings, so that Trump Attorney 1's search would not and did not include all of Trump's boxes that were removed from the White House.

[496] Trump Attorney 1's search would not and did not locate all documents responsive to the May 11th subpoena, and all responsive documents were not provided to the FBI and the grand jury with the certification.

[497] In fact, after June 3rd, 2022, more than 100 documents with classification markings remained at the Mar -a -Lago Club until the FBI search on August 8th, 2020.

[498] Count 39.

[499] False statements and representations.

[500] 109.

[501] The general allegations of this superseding indictment are re -alleged and fully incorporated here by reference.

[502] 110.

[503] On May 26, 2022, NADA participated in a voluntary interview with the FBI.

[504] During the interview, the FBI explained to NADA that the FBI was investigating how classified documents had been kept at the Mara Lago Club, and the FBI asked NADA questions about the location and movement of Trump's boxes before Trump provided 15 to NARA on January 17, 2022.

[505] Nata was represented by counsel, and the FBI advised Nata that the interview was voluntary and that he could leave at any time.

[506] The FBI also advised NADA that it was a criminal offense to lie to the FBI.

[507] The interview was recorded, 111.

[508] On or about May 26, 2022, in Palm Beach County in the Southern District of Florida, and elsewhere, the defendant, Walteen Nata, in a matter within the jurisdiction of the executive branch of the United States government, did knowingly and willfully make a materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statement and representation.

[509] That is, in a voluntary interview during a federal criminal investigation being conducted by the FBI, NADA was asked the following questions and gave the following false answers.

[510] Question, does any, are you aware of any boxes being brought to his home, his suite?

[511] Answer no. Question.

[512] All right.

[513] So, so to the best of your knowledge, you're saying that those boxes that you brought onto the truck, first time you ever laid eyes on them, was just the day of when Trump employee two needed you to answer correct question to take them okay question in knowing that we're trying to track the life of these boxes and where they could have been kept and stored and all that kind of stuff answer mm -hmm question do you have any information that could that would that could help us understand like where they were kept how they were kept were they secured were they locked something that makes the intelligence community feel better about these things you know answer i wish i wish i could tell you i don't know i don't i honestly just don't know question and what so so you only saw the 15 boxes 15 17 boxes answer yes question the day of the move even they just showed up that day answer they were in pine hall trump employee too just asked me hey can we move some boxes and i was like okay Question.

[514] So you didn't know, had no idea how they got there before?

[515] Answer no. 112.

[516] The underscored statements and representations above were false, as Nodda knew, because, one, Nata did in fact know that the boxes in Pine Hall had come from the storage room, as Nata himself, with the assistance of Trump Employee 2, had moved the boxes from the storage room to Pine Hall, and two, Nata had observed the boxes in and moved.

[517] them to various locations at the Mar -a -Lago Club.

[518] Count 40.

[519] Altering, destroying, mutilating, or concealing an object.

[520] 113.

[521] The general allegations of this superseding indictment are realleged and fully incorporated here by reference.

[522] 114.

[523] From on or about June 22, 2022, through in or around August 22, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida, and elsewhere, the defendants, Donald J. Trump, Waltine Nauda and Carlos de Olivaura did knowingly corruptly persuade and attempt to persuade another person, with intent to cause and induce any person to alter, destroy, mutilate, and conceal an object with intent to impair the object's integrity and availability for use in an official proceeding.

[524] That is, Trump, Nata, and de Olivera, requested that Trump employee four delete security camera footage at the Mar -a -Lago Club to prevent the footage from being provided to a federal grand jury.

[525] Count 41.

[526] Corruptly altering, destroying, mutilating, or concealing a document, record, or other object.

[527] 115.

[528] The general allegations of this superseding indictment are realleged and fully incorporated here by reference.

[529] 116.

[530] From on or about June 22, 22, through in or around August 22, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida and elsewhere, the defendants, Donald J. Trump, Walteen Nata, and Carlos de Olivaira did corruptly alter, destroy, mutilate and conceal a record, document, and other object, and attempted to do so, with the intent to impair the object's integrity and availability for use in an official proceeding.

[531] That is, Trump, Noda, and de Oliveira requested that Trump employed, four delete security camera footage at the Mar -a -Lago Club to prevent the footage from being provided to a federal grand jury.

[532] Count 42.

[533] False statements and representations.

[534] 117.

[535] The general allegations of this superseding indictment are realleged and fully incorporated here by reference.

[536] 118.

[537] On January 13, 23, De Olivares participated in a voluntary interview with the FBI at Deolivera's residents.

[538] During the interview, the FBI explained to De Oliveira that the FBI was investigating how classified documents had been kept at the Mar -a -Lago Club, and the FBI asked De Olivaura questions about the location and movement of Trump's boxes and other items.

[539] Deolivera was advised by the FBI that the interview was voluntary and that he could tell the agents to leave at any time.

[540] The FBI also advised de Oliveira that it was a criminal offense to lie to the FBI.

[541] The interview was recorded.

[542] 119.

[543] On or about January 13, 23, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida, and elsewhere, the defendant, Carlos de Oliveira, in a matter within the jurisdiction of the executive branch of the United States government, did knowingly and willfully make a materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statement and representation.

[544] That is, in a voluntary interview during a federal criminal investigation being conducted by the FBI, Diola Vera was asked the following questions and gave the following false answers.

[545] Question.

[546] When, after the end of the presidency, boxes arrived to Mar -a -Lago, were you part of any group to help?

[547] Answer no. No. Question.

[548] Unload them and move them.

[549] answer no question do you were you do you even know like or were you even there or aware that boxes were answer no question like all this stuff was being moved in answer never saw anything question okay answer yeah and then question even his personal stuff like his clothes answer never question and furniture nothing answer never saw nothing question okay so you don't know where items would have been stored as soon as he moved back to Mar -a -Lago.

[550] Answer, no. 120.

[551] The underscored statements and representations above were false, as de Oliveira knew, because DiLovara had personally observed and helped move Trump's boxes when they arrived at the Mar -a -Lago Club in January 2021.

[552] Jack Smith, Special Counsel, United States Department of Justice.

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