The Bulwark Podcast XX
[0] All right, guys, we are going to give you a full episode today.
[1] I'm so excited to have James Carville with us and in honor of Carville and in honor of Carnival.
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[13] Up next, the Mardi Gras King himself, James Carville.
[14] All right, guys, we've got some big news since yesterday.
[15] Many of the big names in the party have rallied around Kamala, including nearly all of her most realistic challengers.
[16] J .B. Pritzker just announced a couple minutes ago.
[17] though I do think Charlie XX posting Kamla is Brat is probably her biggest endorsement yet.
[18] She's also raised over 60 million and counting and to hear her to talk about it all is veteran Democratic strategist co -host to the politics war room.
[19] James Carville.
[20] James, where's the chaos we were promised?
[21] James, everybody told me, everybody told me if Joe Bonson said, everybody told you, they're like, James, you can't do this.
[22] There'd be chaos.
[23] Where's the chaos, James?
[24] There is none.
[25] And by way, you know, we're from New Orleans.
[26] I see a parade is coming.
[27] I grab a whistle, a baton, a high hat.
[28] And I throwed the baton in the air because there's a parade.
[29] It's called the Kamala Harrods parade.
[30] We're all marching.
[31] That's Kamala Graeme.
[32] Yeah, that's it.
[33] That's it.
[34] They can do whatever they want, but this train is left the station.
[35] Eat her dust.
[36] Me and Bill Crystal yesterday were talking about this.
[37] And he said at the time, you know, he's like, look, the train can be gone in four hours, could be gone in 12 hours, or there could be a conversation.
[38] And clearly in the intervening time.
[39] There's no really realistic, you know, challenge.
[40] It's going to emerge, right?
[41] As you know, I've been dealing with this for a long time.
[42] It's kind of personal painful.
[43] I think at the end of the day, what really swayed the president was he couldn't get any politicians to show up.
[44] I mean, he goes to Michigan, and you can hide the polls from him.
[45] You can be sure he gets good news.
[46] You can adjust who he talks to.
[47] You can control who comes in and out of the information flow.
[48] But when he goes to Detroit, and the governor, neither's democratic sense and not a Democratic Senate candidate shows up.
[49] He knows that.
[50] That cannot be hidden.
[51] And I think he had a growing sense of isolation that hit.
[52] No one was going to go to the convention.
[53] He wasn't going to be able to march on a front wall at a Labor Day parade, but all the guys and, you know, lefty and shifty and, you know, whatever it just wasn't going to work out that way and i think he figured it out yeah that's sad when you put it like that but it's good on him for doing it i feel like i should have mentioned this yesterday look we've been on his ass you've been on his ass longer than i have but uh it's still hard to do it it's hard to step aside and we're looking at the other side when you look at the other side oh you know so this is not saying what was the biden all line don't compare me to the almighty compare me to the alternative he's not the almighty but if you look at the alternative have these guys been propping up a fucking rapist criminal for a decade now, you know?
[54] And so having one, so that's nice.
[55] My favorite, my favorite is Van Joneses and even the Dan Abrams, both of whom I like.
[56] Okay, I know them, but talking about how Trump's change man, what in the fuck are you?
[57] If anybody says that, there should be a lifetime ban from being on anything, okay?
[58] I mean, that is just a breathtaking ignorance of what people are like, and particularly Donald Trump.
[59] I love that.
[60] He was a change man. I'll tell you more.
[61] Oh, yeah, my God.
[62] He's sound God.
[63] Sure.
[64] Absolutely.
[65] He'll have had every fucking felon you can imagine parading around the convention floor.
[66] Indeed.
[67] Do you ever have any felons at any of the conventions you ran, James?
[68] Do you have any speakers fly straight from jail to the stage?
[69] None that I know of.
[70] Probably some.
[71] you know, subsequent to, but that used to be, I remember a time in politics where it was a mark against you, if you were convicted of a felony, but.
[72] Well, maybe it still is.
[73] What do you think now turn into Kamla to forward -looking?
[74] So this is what I think, Tim.
[75] Yeah.
[76] First of all, people don't know her, and she's got to understand that.
[77] And the Trump people know that people don't know her.
[78] So in the next, somebody told me, it's 38, 38 days through the convention.
[79] I'm pulling that out of my ass.
[80] I think so I don't know.
[81] I think it's 28.
[82] It's a battle for definition.
[83] and usually summers are not the most exciting times about presidential politics.
[84] I think this one is going to be a little bit more.
[85] And they need to hurry and get some definition on her.
[86] Of course, they're going to hit it pretty hard because, and they hurt.
[87] It was like yesterday when they got the phone call, do with the old, God, shit, we've got to change everything.
[88] And you're a pilot, and you're getting ready to land a plane.
[89] And everything is, you hold my center on landing.
[90] And they say there's a plane and run away, you've got to do a gore route.
[91] You got, oh, shit.
[92] You have to think, we think your whole mentality.
[93] Now, they're trained to do that where political people are not.
[94] Yeah, the mentality shift is noteworthy.
[95] I want to talk a little bit about what Kamala can say, but let's look at the Trump side of this first, because obviously, your claim to fame, it's the economy stupid.
[96] Tim Alberta pointed out that the Trump people had a frame that they were sticking with, which was strength versus weakness.
[97] And the debate and the assassination attempt both played right into that frame in a way that was like in a way that you could only dream about in a campaign, frankly.
[98] And he wrote yesterday, Alberta, really cannot overstate how problematic this is for the Trump operation.
[99] Everything they built was customized for that contest, strength versus weakness with Biden.
[100] I mean everything.
[101] And you can see that a little bit.
[102] And it's only been 24 hours, but they seem to be flailing a little bit.
[103] And they're going to attack her on immigration.
[104] They'll come up with stuff to attack her on.
[105] But they have, They have lost their North Star a little bit, don't you think?
[106] I do.
[107] Let me say this.
[108] Till Alberta, we're the better report as we have today.
[109] I mean, he's a very, very good reporter.
[110] And, you know, again, I'd go back to my analogy.
[111] They were all prepared to land an airplane.
[112] They had the wheels down.
[113] They had the flaps in the right place.
[114] They had the towel.
[115] Okay.
[116] And then, hey, we've got to go back up.
[117] and that they're fighting the controls now.
[118] And I think that what Tim says fits pretty well with my early analogy.
[119] Yeah, I want to play for you, just because you deserve a little bit of pain this morning, James.
[120] You're riding a little high.
[121] And so I want to play for you, the voice of Stephen Miller.
[122] Here's him last night on Fox talking about the state of play.
[123] They held a primary.
[124] People, they had ballots.
[125] They filled out circles.
[126] They went to the voting booths.
[127] They spent money on advertisements.
[128] And as President Trump said, the Republican Party spent tens of millions of dollars running against Joe Biden.
[129] Now they just woke up one morning and said, never mind, we're canceling the entire primary.
[130] We're getting rid of our candidate and we're pretending the election has never even happened.
[131] And we're going to let donors handpick a new nominee.
[132] Poor little Nazi.
[133] Poor little Nazi shuts out.
[134] I always knew that guy was odious.
[135] I never had to listen to a clip that long.
[136] Oh, my God.
[137] Oh, you could see the, you see the feeling of face.
[138] The Democrat Party is a coup.
[139] That's how hard they've been hit.
[140] That's the depth of their argument.
[141] You can see why he takes it out on immigrants, though.
[142] Now, he had to have a tough time in the cafeteria with that voice and face.
[143] Oh, God.
[144] You know, in high school.
[145] You think anybody wanted to hang around him in high school?
[146] high school?
[147] I don't think.
[148] No, no. I don't think we need a professional psychologist to figure out what's happening.
[149] No. No. No. What about their other message that they're going to try to do with the coup thing is that the Biden should resign?
[150] Biden must resign.
[151] There's been a cover up.
[152] I don't, I mean, look, as somebody who's been talking about the Biden age problem for a while against interest, like, what do you think is the efficacy of that message?
[153] Well, what they're going to say is that Harris knew he was declining.
[154] didn't say anything and put the country in jeopardy, and she's going to, I'm sure she's got a very good answer for it, and she's got to pull it up and use it for sure.
[155] But, you know, right now, they haven't settled on anything.
[156] They're, you know, they're just picking up the machine gun and, you know, somebody's coming up.
[157] But Harris, they have to be very aggressive right now in definition.
[158] They need to worry less about organizing and more about getting out there.
[159] Harris team, you mean, or the Trump team?
[160] Did a Harris team, and they need to start doing some things in fast, you know, they can go to, want some of my ideas, go to Carlisle Army War College, you know, you got all kinds of people write a national offense, foreign policy speech.
[161] I think part of her campaign, and remember, she was a successful DA, Attorney General, and she couldn't talk about it in 2020 because of the assinity and Democratic campaign coach in 2020 wouldn't allow you to talk about that.
[162] So she'd look like an empty vessel.
[163] She looked like a, because the real reason.
[164] She didn't have the story.
[165] I mean, she couldn't tell people the real truth.
[166] Well, now the real truth kind of helps her.
[167] Right.
[168] It's just how much it changes.
[169] And the one thing that people believe, it marked us out, they believe these companies are rigging prices, fixing prices, talking to each other to screw them.
[170] them over.
[171] And she has a consumer background to say, I'm going to have attorney general establishes task force to see what in violation of any trust laws or whatever.
[172] Then that, you're using that experience to something that they can't say that people really do care about and they really do think.
[173] They will say, in focus groups, I can't tell you, number of people say that Joe Biden hadn't caused inflation.
[174] He's too old to cause inflation.
[175] These companies are doing it, but he's too old to stop them.
[176] So you want a little populous from Kamala.
[177] I took on the big banks.
[178] I took on these big corporations.
[179] I'm going to go out there and do that.
[180] But most of all, you're taking on price fixing.
[181] Yeah, price fishing.
[182] Because if you try to, I took on this and I'm going to do away with the capital gains tax and you get lost.
[183] Yeah.
[184] We'll allow them to make a profit as their time to, but not to make unreasonable predatory profits at the expense of the American people.
[185] That's not what I'll assist.
[186] former Republican free market sold with this message change, that it seems smart, though.
[187] That seems like good politics, maybe.
[188] I think it is good politics.
[189] And by way, you know, Adam Smith, you know, really believed that antitrust laws.
[190] Really didn't believe in price fixing.
[191] Okay, that's the most violated thing you can do to capitalism.
[192] Grocery stores aren't, you know, monopolies.
[193] But craft food is a monopoly, you know.
[194] The largest egg companies are.
[195] And what to have is the top, if the top three are talking to each other, capitalism loses what it's supposed to be about, competition.
[196] I mean, I would argue my argument should fit right into your earlier laissez -faire capitalist instincts.
[197] Okay.
[198] All right.
[199] We're going to try to blend them.
[200] We'll blend.
[201] Okay.
[202] I'm for that.
[203] But the prosecutor thing also goes to, she had that tweet that she sent out about the bail fund, which is going to hurt her.
[204] But, you know, she has a record of being strong on law and order.
[205] She's a record of going after corruption.
[206] She has a record going after corrupt politicians and companies.
[207] Like, that's where she's got to start, right?
[208] Like that frame with Trump, or do you think that's a little too?
[209] Remember, there's one more thing, falling crime rates.
[210] And not just falling a little bit.
[211] Yeah.
[212] All right?
[213] Yeah.
[214] And I think she made a mistake when she didn't take crime as her portfolio as soon as she came into the office of vice president.
[215] but, you know, best time planning out three, 25 years ago, second best now.
[216] Yeah.
[217] Under the Biden -Harris administration, we took over from Donald Trump, and he's down 25 % of whatever it is.
[218] Pretty good message.
[219] I agree with that.
[220] Obviously, the abortion message is stronger Biden was.
[221] Oh, interrupt me just so he.
[222] I keep hearing this.
[223] No, go ahead.
[224] What happened to Democratic Party?
[225] How did the Democratic Party fall apart?
[226] I was reading something, I might understand to that, by this guy Tyler Coward, you know, kind of...
[227] He's an economist.
[228] step at George Mason.
[229] I got news for you.
[230] The Democratic Party is not falling apart.
[231] It wins elections.
[232] Yeah.
[233] Okay.
[234] So it hasn't lost an election in two years.
[235] We were winning every Senate race.
[236] Yeah.
[237] Every Senate rate.
[238] People had a problem with the fact that Biden was too old.
[239] The problem is, of course, the Democratic Party is always convoluting and cognizant.
[240] But the Democratic Party has not fallen apart.
[241] It's a much stronger party if you count elections, which that's a pretty good barometer and true among some Democrats that the whole thing is going to hell in the handbasket and the party is you know irretrievably damaged and that's just not true at all we kept saying it's on all the polls democratic senator candidates were all winning there's no evidence of any issue and that Michigan poll with Biden is down seven that was yesterday morning and I said I bet you schlocking is up look and he said well yeah she is up yeah and that was everywhere.
[242] People actually want to vote Democratic.
[243] It's a hard thing to say because it's always dims and disarray.
[244] But I think this is a pretty defining moment.
[245] I really do.
[246] I want to do VPs, but first, all that happy talk, you know, I like to be raincloud, James.
[247] So what worries you about Kamala?
[248] What worries me is this.
[249] You think of the great politicians.
[250] You think Reagan, for sure, Clinton, for sure.
[251] Obama.
[252] I guess going back, Eisenhower, I'm a little older.
[253] But whatever.
[254] They were all very competitive.
[255] But you know what they all had in common?
[256] They never looked like they were trying too hard.
[257] And once you look like you're trying too hard, and that's something that Harris has got to understand, the line where you look too aggressive.
[258] You look like you're Bobby Gentle.
[259] You don't want to be Bobby General.
[260] You don't want to be Bobby Gentle.
[261] And sometimes I'll look at clips of her, if I were her campaign manager, I'd say, Madam Vee, let's take about 20 % off of that.
[262] And I think one of the things that women come up in politics, they probably feel like they don't get heard.
[263] And so they have to be aggressive.
[264] Yeah, no, she would say that.
[265] She would say that.
[266] I think that, you know, because my criticism of her in the past is that sometimes she gets in her head.
[267] And I think the people say, like, because of the way women are treated, because of the abuse you get, because of like the length, you know, that you overthink things, like, you know, a little bit.
[268] And when you're overthinking, when you're in your head, then you come off as a little more like you're trying, you know.
[269] I would say, let's try a less, less harder.
[270] Yeah.
[271] As being ambitious as ever, but don't give the people that you're trying too hard.
[272] It's because it's not a good sales tactic.
[273] Yeah.
[274] I don't know what you think about this.
[275] My advice to the team would be and has been, she should.
[276] let it rip.
[277] If I was her, I would just try to go out there and be like, I can't be worried that they're going to take some clip out of context, right?
[278] Like, I just got to be me and do me. And maybe that'll be better.
[279] But I don't know.
[280] Once you start thinking they're going to do that, then you think of every word that you say and then you end up not saying anything.
[281] And I would really, really coach self -confidence.
[282] You know, you know, you know what to say.
[283] And you're right.
[284] They'll take anything and we do.
[285] it and rework it.
[286] And I'm looking for self -confidence.
[287] Like, I'm going to win this goddamn thing.
[288] You understand?
[289] And I thought her answer was, I'm going to work hard to earn a nomination.
[290] I thought this was stupid MSNBC.
[291] If you don't nominate her, this is an affront to women are calling the intergalactic system and you cannot do this.
[292] That's a dumb message, right?
[293] To her credit, she said, I plan on competing for the nomination.
[294] You know, by the saying that, no one's going to run against you.
[295] If you say I'm entitled to nomination, somebody's going to run against me. It was actually the smart political thing to say.
[296] You know, so far, so good, but we ain't gone very far.
[297] Okay, one more thing.
[298] You just popped in my head before VP's on the confidence thing.
[299] Man, I think the Republicans got to have some regrets that they're a little overconfident right now.
[300] I look back at that convention and the pick of J .D. Vance, just the whole vibe of it was like that they felt like this was a coronation and Trump's rightful return to the throne, and all of that looks like that was kind of a miss now in retrospect.
[301] I don't know.
[302] Do you still pick J .D. Vance if you knew they were going to do this?
[303] Well, what's interesting is, so let's fast forward Thursday, the 22nd of August in Chicago and Harris.
[304] So it's Harris, her husband, her kids, and I don't know, it's Andy Beshear, I don't pick you, okay, of Joshville, a 45 -ish guy with three kids and a wife, and they're on the podium, and a balloons are dropping.
[305] That's, you see, that's signal change.
[306] Now, they can't do that with J .D. Vance, and I'm just saying I'm not being, I'm just telling you what time it is.
[307] You know this.
[308] I notice.
[309] His wife is Hindu, is an Indian.
[310] Apparently, clerk for two Supreme Court justices.
[311] I don't know.
[312] But they're attacking her right now.
[313] On the right.
[314] The right is.
[315] And so can they bring J .D. Vance's wife and kids?
[316] And I don't know.
[317] y 'all built that stinky shithouse that you live in and go ahead and live in it i give a fuck somebody but you have you know how these people are yeah usha took some shit from the right no doubt and i and i just think that also j d just like him and trump sitting next to each other just take the families out of it Kamala sitting next to her VP trump and him he just looks like he looks sad he's like this little kind of you know he's got his baby fat still on his face and he's got his say, yes, sir, Mr. Trump, yes, sir, Mr. Trump.
[318] And, like, you know, he's been very extreme on the issues.
[319] I don't know.
[320] Talking about potential vice presidential pick, if they want somebody to go after Trump in Vance, defend her, yeah, did somebody three times better than all the rest of them put together?
[321] Who's that?
[322] Mr. Andrew.
[323] All right, get Mitch out there.
[324] The best attack of defender, you could imagine.
[325] Do you worry a little bit about Mitch and Kamla having to carry all the Biden baggage.
[326] You know, they're going to make you carry it, they're going to make you carry it it no matter what, but a little bit, you know, if you had this year, Shapiro, look, if you want it a kind of can -do message in a swing state, then you go to Josh.
[327] Yeah.
[328] If you want a real kind of youth message that pealed to Middle America or something, then you go to in it.
[329] I mean, it depends on what you're looking for at the end of the day, but the thing is you've got a lot of good choices.
[330] Mitch I should have mentioned it yesterday because it had come to my mind and I forgot.
[331] Do you think that's conceivable that he'd be in the conversation?
[332] But I think it would be conceivable.
[333] And where are you doing when you're looking at your potential vice for, you have a lot of things that you're going to look for.
[334] The one thing that he excels in is attacking and defending.
[335] So I was talking with Liz Smith about this, my friend who did Pete's campaigns, now helping the DNC.
[336] We were just talking about it behind the scenes.
[337] And her point, and I, you know, with Pete, there's gay stuff that, that, you know, potentially, it's like, are we going a little too far with the black woman and a gay man?
[338] I don't know.
[339] There's maybe some concerns there.
[340] But her point, which is right in line with yours, is in this day and age, especially, you know, given what the Democrats have had in a lack of messaging and the Biden Harris ticket, like picking somebody that can sit in a TV studio, that can do YouTube videos, that can just be constantly on the attack, delivering messages is like a super valuable trait in modern politics more so than one like you only had to go on the nightly news you know and and and it's sort of a small list i mean pete can do it obviously shapiro i think can do it well Mitch could do it i like once you get past that i think maybe like a chris murphy could do that chris murphy yep if i were put in parlays or something you know if i had like 25 to one shot yeah i'd definitely with chris murphy because he generates if not that he way older than he looks and he's he's got the one issue that's a really Pope and that Democrats do not exploit, and that's the whole gun issue.
[341] Yeah.
[342] So I think that you were smart to mention Chris's name.
[343] What we finding out is what people like you and I knew all the time is just so fucking much talent in a Democratic Party.
[344] When you start talking about it could use this guy, well, we can use this guy.
[345] Oh, we can do this.
[346] Oh, we can do that.
[347] What about that?
[348] I mean, it's kind of a fun game, but there's a lot of people walking around out there that it can fill a lot of bills right now.
[349] Okay, there's two of the top candidates really quick, then I'll let you go.
[350] Shapiro, this is basically a Shapiro porn podcast at times, so I think he's done a great job.
[351] I worry the Israel issue, Israel Gaza has been off the table for a while for Democrats.
[352] It was obviously a huge problem in the spring.
[353] He was vocal, rightly, by the way, speaking about against anti -Semitism on campus.
[354] He is Jewish.
[355] Do you worry about that, like becoming a distraction?
[356] Very little.
[357] Okay.
[358] And when you have the Republican senator at a Trump rally trying to run with you, the Democratic governor, that's a good science.
[359] Let me tell you, that's, that's something that happened for Shapiro.
[360] Yeah, for something that would have for Shapiro.
[361] That's how popular he is.
[362] And his whole reputation is can do stuff.
[363] I think regardless of stuff, there are reasons that people, you know, feel very intensely about this whole issue either side.
[364] I just don't think it's going to be that big of a voting issue.
[365] I mean, some of the young, college young, you know, a percent of people under 30 go to Ivy League schools can't count them is so small.
[366] It's kind of nice, actually, to not have that baggage, potentially, just as far as turnout in Madison and Arbor and stuff is concerned, maybe.
[367] No, so, but, you know, I mean, it'd bring you a lot.
[368] Yeah.
[369] All right.
[370] Last one, Mark Kelly, people floated him, astronaut, great bio, Arizona, swing, state.
[371] Some concerns, though, that, you know, I guess a Democrat would have to, could appoint his replacement, Katie Hobbs, but then it's up in 26, and, you know, maybe Chuck doesn't like that.
[372] Maybe isn't quite as compelling.
[373] He's the most compelling story between him and Gabrielle, but maybe not as compelling, like, verbally as some of the other people we've talked about.
[374] What do you think about Kelly?
[375] Look, he's a very hot pick among the kind of more elite chattering class.
[376] I've never or not.
[377] And my only thing I would say about Senator Kelly is he's a little old.
[378] Ideally, I'd like to have somebody under 55.
[379] Because you want to be able to troll that old ass motherfucker.
[380] He's the oldest candidate ever now.
[381] It's our issue now.
[382] It's our issue.
[383] Right.
[384] Right.
[385] Right.
[386] But I just think we want to, we want to project generational change, youth, vigor.
[387] And there are a lot of people we got that can do that with.
[388] Okay.
[389] I agree with that.
[390] All right.
[391] Finally, to close, well, actually, I've one one more thing before we go.
[392] What do you got back there?
[393] What's your favorite back there?
[394] You got your whiskey cabinet behind us?
[395] You got some, you got a favorite?
[396] You want to show us if we want to have a victory sip this weekend?
[397] This is a little bit old, but this is a wine.
[398] This is a wine box weasling, which is a hell of a good fricking wine.
[399] People don't understand how good a wine that reason can be.
[400] Okay.
[401] They really don't.
[402] And this is something, I don't even know what this is.
[403] somebody gave it to me, Vancouver Island, seaside gin.
[404] I love gin.
[405] Okay.
[406] Hey, I'm a big gin guy.
[407] I don't think there's any such thing as a vodka martini.
[408] A little Vancouver Island seaside gin martini.
[409] I might, I might need a seaside gin martini myself this weekend.
[410] There you go.
[411] I wanted to have that because I wanted to have a toast to you because I got to tell you this.
[412] I know you've taken some shit over the past year or two and you don't need to, you don't want to like be patting yourself on the back.
[413] But I'm going to say, for about a year now, James Connerville and David Axelrod, who were the strategists behind the last two successful Democratic presidents before Joe Biden, were out there saying repeatedly, this is a problem, he's too old, there's an iceberg ahead, we should turn before we get to the iceberg, and a bunch of idiots who don't know anything that the Midas Touch podcast are like Black Knight 10 on Twitter or like random people have never been on campaigns.
[414] All these people are out there like, hey, hey, actually what I think we should do is press on the gas and speed right into the iceberg and every day, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[415] And these old fuckers don't know anything.
[416] And I just, we got to speed straight into the iceberg.
[417] And I just, I got to say, maybe we should have just listened to people who know a thing or two and have been around politics.
[418] Maybe there's something to be said for that.
[419] That's all I'm going to say.
[420] Because it seems like, I mean, you know, the election isn't won yet, but just vibes wise, it seems like things are turning out a little, a little okay.
[421] I don't know.
[422] One man's opinion.
[423] Thank you.
[424] All for the greater glory of LSU.
[425] Go Tigers.
[426] James Carville.
[427] Thank you for coming on.
[428] Go Tigers.
[429] We've got the number one recruit in the country coming next year.
[430] Bryce Underwood out of Michigan.
[431] Life is good.
[432] Kamala is Brat.
[433] Tigers are king.
[434] Thank you to James Carville.
[435] We'll be back tomorrow with another edition of the Bullwark podcast.
[436] See you all then.
[437] Peace.
[438] The Bullwark podcast is produced by Katie Cooper with audio engineering and editing by Jason Brown.