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[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only murders in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Do you want to start a podcast?

[17] Hey, do you want a podcast?

[18] Hey, hi.

[19] Hi.

[20] We need to wait if.

[21] Start this and end this.

[22] that's like that's clean distinctive what if it was like 70s newscast kind of like that would be good right this just in instead it's just me laying down on the love seat you leaning back on the couch I lean back on the couch like a kind of like an old drunk hobo leans on a park bench right Steven Steven had to put his hand over his mouth It was that accurate.

[23] Because it's so true.

[24] He's like, I'm seeing, it's as if my hat is tip forward.

[25] Yeah.

[26] And I'm leaning on this love seat like Mrs. Roper would on a fucking, if Mrs. rober went and got some scissors and cut her calf tan in half.

[27] Because Georgia doesn't fuck around with full length anything.

[28] No. You're all about the leg.

[29] Yeah, that's true.

[30] I do show a lot of leg.

[31] Oh, because it's, you know why?

[32] That's summer Georgia in full effect.

[33] Full effect.

[34] Thank you.

[35] whoever made that, I did a kind of rude thing.

[36] I posted the picture, Summer Karen, and full effect on my Twitter page.

[37] And then after I did it, went, oh, I probably should have found out who made that.

[38] Oh, right.

[39] I didn't have the name.

[40] Man, fucking credit gives me so much stress.

[41] I know.

[42] Like, I won't.

[43] It's so hard to make sure that everyone gets credit and you don't want them to hate you and stop making shit.

[44] That's right.

[45] And you don't want to be a the fat Jew about it.

[46] Someone should explain that.

[47] Which is a person who steals shit and makes a shit ton of money.

[48] That's his name.

[49] He calls himself the fat Jew.

[50] Right.

[51] Which is supposed to be funny in and of itself.

[52] Yeah.

[53] It's really just a description.

[54] So yeah.

[55] Shout out.

[56] Maybe somebody will put it on the Facebook page of who did it.

[57] Guess what's happening tomorrow?

[58] What?

[59] The shirts are going out.

[60] Oh, my God.

[61] This has been.

[62] That's quite a weight, actually.

[63] People have been, for the, I know you've gotten complaints, but all told, that's, you know, people have been pretty patient.

[64] Oh, for sure.

[65] The amount of emails I've gotten are so much less than I thought that would be.

[66] And it's, I mean, I'm going to be so relieved when people get their shirts.

[67] It's fucking stressful.

[68] Yeah, I bet it is.

[69] Like, I've been emailing.

[70] I mean, yeah.

[71] You've been really, Georgia, let me say this about Georgia.

[72] Oh, well.

[73] She looked at me. Hold on.

[74] Just wait till you find out what I was about to say.

[75] And then I just start fucking railing you.

[76] She is such a fucking...

[77] She won't stop wearing very small house dresses.

[78] No, Georgia got a look in her eye one day during or after the podcast taping.

[79] And she was just like, we should have shirts.

[80] And then she delivered this baby, like the obstetrician of T -shirts that she is.

[81] I had nothing to do with any of it.

[82] I put my initials next to some stuff and checked some things off.

[83] Well, here's the thing.

[84] You have a job that you go to every day.

[85] Uh -huh.

[86] You have dogs, which everyone knows is very stressful.

[87] I have no day job.

[88] I mean, I work from time to time.

[89] You do stuff, though.

[90] Yeah.

[91] I have extreme anxiety, which causes me to constantly do things.

[92] Yeah.

[93] Which is great.

[94] Mine causes me to constantly not do things.

[95] That's interesting.

[96] Oh, because you're like, I can't do this right.

[97] not even, this is going to suck.

[98] I won't do it.

[99] Exactly.

[100] I freeze up.

[101] I have perfectionism.

[102] And then I'm, yeah, I just go fuck it.

[103] I've, I spent my life saying fuck it, essentially.

[104] Wow.

[105] Because I'm, I don't have perfectionism.

[106] So I'm like, let's fucking try this and see what happens.

[107] And then we'll learn from our mistakes.

[108] And we can quit it if it sucks.

[109] That's the way to B. Yeah.

[110] Like, if you do everything, like, at a, at a, at a plus, you know, and no one else does anything else because they think they're going to get a B. Then that rounds up to an A. Then I get a fucking A. Hell yeah, girl.

[111] I like.

[112] I like.

[113] this.

[114] I have to rely on other people's perfection anxieties to just deliver mine.

[115] God, that's really smart.

[116] Did I tell you, my grandma's, my grandma sang, bigger dummies than you.

[117] Yeah, that's right.

[118] You know?

[119] It's so good.

[120] It's so good and bad at the same time.

[121] My grandma's saying was, be quiet now.

[122] Is she Romanian?

[123] No, that's Irish.

[124] Oh, she was a vampire or something.

[125] I'll be quiet now.

[126] Oh, I hear it now.

[127] She was a gypsy.

[128] I only saw her once.

[129] I love it.

[130] Yeah, just try it.

[131] And if it sucks, you can just walk away from it.

[132] Girl, I'm about it.

[133] I mean, you were right about this podcast.

[134] But, oh, let's walk away from it.

[135] No, no. Like, just try it.

[136] Why don't we try it?

[137] Let's just do one and see how it goes.

[138] That's my whole motto.

[139] Yeah.

[140] Let's do one and see how it goes.

[141] It's very smart.

[142] Yeah, but the t -shirts, I mean, it's been stressful.

[143] Yeah.

[144] And now everyone's making these awesome crafts.

[145] Which, by the way, I gave my fucking P .O. box on the Facebook.

[146] Is that a mistake?

[147] No, it's a P .O. box.

[148] I know, but, man. What do you think someone's going to go stand by the P .O. box and wait for you?

[149] Yeah.

[150] No, that's the whole point of P .O. boxes is there's someone that works there.

[151] And if someone's just start standing by a P .O. They're like, hey.

[152] Hey, weirdo with the kitchen knife.

[153] Get the fuck out of here.

[154] I'm just, I don't know why.

[155] I'm just going to always go with Vince.

[156] So anyone who's thinking about beating me up, I'm going my big tall husband.

[157] Who will probably do nothing.

[158] I love the idea.

[159] The PO box would make you this nervous.

[160] This is like we're, now we're opposites again.

[161] This is where I'm brave, where I would just be like, come at me. Give it your best.

[162] I'm terrified.

[163] I know, but who cares?

[164] I mean, you could take a nice swing at somebody.

[165] What a stupid way to die, though.

[166] Like what, I feel like if I heard that, like this girl who has a true crime podcast, put her P .O. box up and got killed.

[167] What a fucking idiot.

[168] Why did she do that?

[169] That's what I would think.

[170] I wouldn't.

[171] P .O. Box is like the most vague.

[172] Like if it's a city, you don't even know if the person lives in that city.

[173] You just got the P .O. box.

[174] And also, this is Los Angeles.

[175] There's so many people here.

[176] Yeah.

[177] So, like, I almost want to say millions.

[178] That sounds fucking right to me, dude.

[179] That sounds right.

[180] Okay.

[181] All right.

[182] And also, no offense.

[183] But there's better P .O. boxes as a Sandexter.

[184] Oh, everything was great up until you just said that.

[185] Better dummies than you.

[186] So sad.

[187] There's so many better dummies in this town.

[188] Oh.

[189] No. Thank you.

[190] Don't be safe.

[191] I meant that in the complimentary way.

[192] Is there one?

[193] No. But I mean, Justin Timberlake lives here somewhere.

[194] That's what I'm saying.

[195] Okay.

[196] That's what I mean.

[197] Go kill.

[198] Don't kill Justin Timberlake, you guys.

[199] I was just going to say go kill him.

[200] No, that's not okay.

[201] The people who kill.

[202] are not influenceable by these podcasts.

[203] We can't, they're not going to be like, with their murder kit under the passenger seat and then be like, you know what, girls, you show me the way.

[204] No one diabolically listens to a podcast.

[205] People only, like, at least medium joyfully listen to podcasts.

[206] No one's like, now we're baiting people.

[207] Now people are like, I'm going to show her.

[208] There's no like Mr. Burns -esque podcast listeners sitting at his desk going, you know, with his fingers and, like, doesn't listen.

[209] Marge listens.

[210] Simpsons.

[211] This podcast always comes back to the Simpsons.

[212] Lisa totally is a fan.

[213] Lisa's on that Facebook page.

[214] NPR for sure.

[215] Oh, I saw Can I recommend a Netflix series that I watched Olive in one day?

[216] Always.

[217] Olive, always.

[218] Oh, Olive.

[219] This is from our new section, Olives.

[220] Olives always.

[221] All of you.

[222] It's called Marcella or Marcella.

[223] They pronounce it because they're British.

[224] So they'll do a fancy pronunciation that baffles me, as I've already proven.

[225] It's with Anna Friel.

[226] It's super good.

[227] It's a female homicide detective who's all screwed up as all the good ones are.

[228] You're always screwed up.

[229] I watched the whole season, which I think was eight episodes, maybe more in a day.

[230] And it was so good.

[231] And there's a couple people on the Facebook page who have recommended.

[232] ended it.

[233] What's it called?

[234] Marcella, is how it's spelled.

[235] Where does she...

[236] But I want to watch it.

[237] I haven't seen it yet.

[238] I totally, you should watch it.

[239] I've never heard of it.

[240] It's really good.

[241] And it's like, um, I mean, do you like, do you like those kinds of procedural, like a Luther or a...

[242] What, what, uh, country of origin?

[243] England.

[244] Okay.

[245] Yes.

[246] And no. Okay.

[247] It just depends.

[248] Sometimes I, What do you need?

[249] What do you need in it?

[250] Oh, you know what I loved is the one, I'm not going to remember the name, the one with the woman.

[251] Oh, yes, that one.

[252] Was she dead?

[253] No, she was a police detective and she was incredible.

[254] Oh, Happy Valley?

[255] Yes.

[256] I loved Happy Valley.

[257] And then there was another one and I was just like, I can't with this.

[258] I don't care.

[259] It's, I just don't know.

[260] Maybe you need yours more character -driven.

[261] Like Happy Valley is almost more about her family.

[262] yeah her trying to deal with just her shit yeah i guess it was like there about her i could legitimately see why she was fucked up and sad yes and it wasn't like just go get a fucking coffee and cheer up yes or like you don't have to talk like this all like yeah i didn't do those like dramatic bullshit things like talking in dramatic voices and words that no one would ever fucking say not that i could understand everything that was said on that show because some thick accents but you watch the second season right i don't know if i finished it yet Oh, it's the best.

[263] Anyways, yeah.

[264] Sorry, go on.

[265] No, no, no. That's just my recommendation.

[266] There was, like, one lone person was like, did anybody watch this?

[267] It's so good.

[268] So I found that on the Facebook page.

[269] I was like, I did.

[270] I loved it.

[271] There was, maybe there were two people, actually, sorry.

[272] But I just wanted to tell more people if people liked British procedures like a Luther or a, I don't know.

[273] Dexter?

[274] Was that good?

[275] No, I watched that?

[276] like Dexter.

[277] Never saw it.

[278] It was super cheesy.

[279] It's a different type of procedural because it was very heavy -handed.

[280] It was also narrated, which I almost always hate.

[281] Oh, interesting.

[282] Was it like CSIE?

[283] It was, actually.

[284] But yes, it was CSIE.

[285] But Michael C -Hall is awesome.

[286] He's from six feet under.

[287] Oh, yeah.

[288] Of course.

[289] He's great.

[290] And it's like the storylines are interesting because it's serial killer stuff.

[291] But there was just a lot of like, I don't know.

[292] And it didn't do it the way I like it.

[293] I went to his house on 4th of July once.

[294] Really?

[295] That's, no, this is a, we'll call this, this area is called Celebrity Center.

[296] It's called Hootostock at a P .O. Box besides Georgia.

[297] Let's talk about it.

[298] Michael C. Hall is a good person to stop.

[299] Michael C. Hall, for example.

[300] I know where he fucking lives, you guys.

[301] If you're thinking of killing me at my P .O. Box, let me know and I'll give you Michael C. Hall's address.

[302] Good.

[303] Throw him under the bus.

[304] or give why don't you have your mail sent to his mailbox okay I can't wait to see what like what we start getting though like as much as I'm scared of dying I'm also excited for like presents for living yeah yeah someone I I don't even talk about it yet but someone's made us lipsticks what like our flavor of lips like a Karen Kilgariff lipstick and a Georgia heart no I can't can you even fucking I'm I couldn't be more excited I know I don't talk about yet because I just want to open the box with you should I open before and present to you like I did.

[305] Or should I, should we open the stuff together?

[306] I have a feeling you have a very specific way you like to do a male situation.

[307] Well, I mean, yeah, probably things in general.

[308] Like, do you, would, do you like to have it be a surprise?

[309] Remember last time I was afraid moths were going to come out?

[310] That's like a thing.

[311] I like a surprise, but probably because you, I knew you knew everything about it.

[312] Yeah, we can do either way.

[313] I guess I don't know.

[314] I can do anything.

[315] It might be fun.

[316] open it together.

[317] And neither us to know.

[318] What if we open it and then we have to fake our response?

[319] Because we're not that stoked on it.

[320] Or like, you know, I used to work at Biobottoms, which was a children's natural fiber clothing company in my hometown.

[321] And the Returns.

[322] It was called Biobottoms.

[323] They made a shit ton of money.

[324] I bet.

[325] But the Returns department used to come and tell us weird shit that they got.

[326] Like what?

[327] Like just dog shit.

[328] Like someone sent back a box that just had an old dried piece of dog shit in it.

[329] yeah okay i'll open it first and then i mean as much as it would be fun to do that live no let's do it live if we got we should get like corners like goggles the full suit gloves hazmat no hazmat with it or we should we open it all on video and post that somewhere yeah make people pay to watch us open mail that's a good idea i mean why not pay to open free shit.

[330] Come on.

[331] Yeah, we should do on a video.

[332] Here we go again with my fucking plans and schemes.

[333] Plans and schemes.

[334] You're the architect of this high -rise building that we're living in.

[335] You do this together.

[336] I'm just a conduit.

[337] Fueled by too much coffee and adderol.

[338] And the Envisaline.

[339] I just took out of my mouth because I realized how awful it would sound.

[340] I actually get great joy from watching you take your invisible.

[341] line out of your mouth.

[342] Because it looks like it's three times bigger than your mouth as you take it out.

[343] Like it's so it's an event.

[344] It is.

[345] I feel like and then there's like a like a string of saliva attached to it.

[346] It's real sexy.

[347] It's fun.

[348] It's how we are.

[349] Do you have any other housekeeping?

[350] No. I don't know.

[351] Do you?

[352] No, I don't think so.

[353] Okay.

[354] Just I love to thank our murderators Alex and Ari for handling shit.

[355] That that page almost has 20 ,000 people on the face.

[356] You find it so, when I told you that we were number two on the comedy podcast, you started laughing in this same, in this like, can you, what the fuck?

[357] It's crazy.

[358] It's so crazy.

[359] It is crazy.

[360] It's, I like that.

[361] Very fun.

[362] Three of the top five comedy podcasts right now are fucking female hosted.

[363] Really?

[364] Is it two dub queens?

[365] Two dub queens, Anna Ferris's podcast.

[366] Oh, nice.

[367] And us.

[368] She is so funny.

[369] Anna Farrar.

[370] She's adorable.

[371] I adore her.

[372] Adorable.

[373] You think of new words to say.

[374] Yeah, that's very cool.

[375] Yeah, I love it.

[376] You know, it's 2016.

[377] Yeah.

[378] Get on that Huffpo.

[379] I don't know what that means.

[380] Actually, we have, no, right, okay, we have an interview to tackle in my email.

[381] Oh, really?

[382] Yeah.

[383] I can talk about it when we're not literally podcasting.

[384] And I'm should be, should we put that into the Celebrity Center area to talk about it?

[385] In my mind, now we have segments.

[386] It's going to be like a late night talk show.

[387] Yeah.

[388] So, uh, the, the, the, the mail these days.

[389] Can you believe it?

[390] Oh.

[391] Hey, did something happen to you recently in a mailbox?

[392] This is, let's take a look at the clip.

[393] Let's go to the, uh, uh, GoPro that Georgia now wears on her head in case someone murders her, she can catch them.

[394] Like, how, like, motorcyclist do?

[395] You're like a motorcyclist where you're always ready.

[396] That's actually a very good idea for people with extreme murder anxiety, wear a helmet with a GoPro on it.

[397] So if something happens.

[398] And then, Another idea, proof therapy and anxiety medications.

[399] Yes.

[400] I mean, it's going to end up being, it's going to need to be woven in together.

[401] Right.

[402] Beautiful French braid.

[403] So you know what?

[404] Someone recently emailed me and said, I listened to your podcast and thank you for talking about depression and anxiety.

[405] I have it and I've never done anything.

[406] Where do I even start to find a therapist?

[407] And I was like, so stoked this person wrote me because to me it's like fucking second nature.

[408] I've been doing this since I was 12.

[409] so I'm just like what and so I gave them psychology today has a great a great page you put in your zip code and it tells you the psychologist in your area that's how I found my therapist yeah I found most of my therapist through that and I love my therapist I've been with her for like 12 years yeah really wow yeah and that's it was one day I think I tried one other person because I told my friend who was a therapist so I couldn't go to her so she's like just tell me what you want I'll recommend and I said I need to talk to somebody that looks like Olympia Dukakis.

[410] Well, that was a mistake.

[411] You can't do it that way.

[412] You can't cast it in your mind and pretend you're going to go act out scenes.

[413] They do have photos on the thing and I've definitely been like, that's it.

[414] She looks like a hippie.

[415] I don't want to go to her.

[416] I don't want to go into a cloud of pot to talk about my problem.

[417] She doesn't know what it's like to just wear all this makeup all the time.

[418] I don't want someone who keeps interrupting my good stories with their stories of Woodstock and the doors.

[419] Yeah.

[420] No, that psychology today.

[421] Yeah.

[422] Is this shit that website?

[423] Yeah.

[424] So in case you're too scared to ask.

[425] Don't be scared.

[426] Everyone's in therapy.

[427] Yeah.

[428] Everyone needs to be in therapy.

[429] Also, Psychology Today is the freaking best magazine.

[430] Yeah, it's good.

[431] You should get it.

[432] It's all about understanding yourself.

[433] Yeah.

[434] Sure.

[435] I'm sorry.

[436] That was so condescending.

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[457] Goodbye.

[458] Hey, this is exciting.

[459] An all new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[460] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster detectives.

[461] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[462] Who killed Saz?

[463] And were they really after Charles?

[464] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[465] This season, murder hits close to home.

[466] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[467] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[468] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[469] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[470] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Devine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[471] Only Martyrs in the building premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[472] Bye.

[473] Goodbye.

[474] Who's going first this week?

[475] I think it's you skipper times come back to us skippers oh if it's mine this week if i go first um i've uh oh i've been this past week has been quite crazed do you want me to go first no no no i can go but i just want i just need a little ramp up of i had plans and schemes about what i was going to do and then realized i needed to do more work uh like really dig in and do some serious research, because that's the thing is sometimes you go to talk about.

[476] So I want to do Ted Bundy because I'm three quarters away through that and rule book, The Stranger Beside me, which is amazing.

[477] There's other people on the Facebook page reading it.

[478] So I love that that we're reading it at the same time.

[479] But when I do it, it should be comprehensive and not, you know, half -ass.

[480] Because he is, he's pretty much one of the most famous hero killers of our time.

[481] Well, I like sometimes when you will like pick a part of that.

[482] story or pick, you know, you don't have to tell him from start to finish, but like, you know, the co -ed murders that he did.

[483] Yeah.

[484] Like, if you pick a thing from it or how Richard Ramirez got caught, I think that was an amazing story on its own.

[485] I'll say what I'm passionate about about Ted Bundy.

[486] But no, when I do it, it's going to be a three -hour presentation.

[487] I'll just take a nap.

[488] Okay.

[489] Just read the book on the podcast.

[490] Yes, exactly.

[491] In kind of a slow, low voice where people are just like, all right, I was trying to get through my workday, but whatever you feel like doing is fine.

[492] Yeah, this podcast has changed.

[493] It's a bummer.

[494] No, so I figured I would go back to my roots, and I'm going to do my hometown murder, which is the most famous murder from my hometown, which is the polyclass murder.

[495] Oh, girl.

[496] And the other reason I'm telling this is because not only was it a firsthand experience, I didn't live in my hometown when she was kidnapped.

[497] But I lived in San Francisco and I would go home for holidays and I was back and forth all the time.

[498] But Polly Claus' mother is a woman named Eve and Eve was my boss at the last job I had when I lived in Petaluma, which was at Bar Bottoms, the natural fiber children's clothing.

[499] Oh, my God.

[500] Dun, done, done.

[501] It comes back around.

[502] So I actually didn't mean to make that reference, but then I was doing it.

[503] I was like, oh, I'm probably doing this on purpose consciously.

[504] But it was very strange because it's, there's a lot of, a lot of the times we look and we research these stories.

[505] And it's these places that are like, you know, when we talk about like the police messing up an investigation or things, you know, things getting screwed up or whatever, A lot of times it's because it's towns that have never had a crime to that degree, a murder or kidnapping or something where people don't have the experience, and most of their career as a cop is pulling people over, you know, giving people like DUIs and stuff.

[506] Totally.

[507] And it's before the internet, so you don't really experience.

[508] I mean, now we can read about other crimes and other cities ad nauseum.

[509] Yeah.

[510] And people can, and all police stations are and cops are more connected.

[511] because of the internet.

[512] So that's like that whole East area rapist, the Golden State Killer thing, where there were, you know, there were police departments who were keeping information from each other.

[513] Totally.

[514] Because they were the ones that wanted the collar.

[515] It's like all of that and the way that, you know, that criminal science is kind of developing because of the internet.

[516] Yeah.

[517] So, um, so my hometown is Petaluma, California.

[518] And it is one of those towns where, uh, when I was growing up there, I think it, the population was somewhere around 32 ,000.

[519] so it was a small farm town basically so the the main town itself there was like the downtown area the east side had like more of like the newer development tract homes kind of everyone on the east side had like a two -story house but on my side on the west side that was out where all the dairy and chicken ranches were so that's I grew up five miles outside of town and so we You basically were, it was the country.

[520] And so when we, like, when I was growing up, we didn't have cable.

[521] Holy shit.

[522] We only had four channels.

[523] We only got four channels on our TV.

[524] And we couldn't get pizza delivered to our house.

[525] Because we lived too far out of town.

[526] And that was how a lot of kids I knew grew up.

[527] Yeah.

[528] It was just country, country time.

[529] That just seems like I can't imagine being that far, like, as someone who grew up literally with, like, shared walls with other apartments.

[530] Oh, yeah.

[531] I just can't even imagine living in that much space.

[532] Yeah.

[533] It's weird.

[534] It's like, you know, we didn't have sidewalks.

[535] We didn't have, we didn't have street lights.

[536] Holy shit.

[537] So at night, I think now they do on the street that I grew up on, but like at the time, like, there was, when you drove at night out where I grew up, it was pitch black.

[538] I don't even know what that look.

[539] Like, I have never seen the stars like that unless I'm camping or something.

[540] It's so fun.

[541] When I go to my dad's house for like holidays, I get out of the car and I stand in his driveway and they'll be like, come on.

[542] crazy like it's like it stars from like horizon to horizon people who aren't in LA or New York or big city don't there's no stars because there's so much light pollution that you just can't see we can never see stars here never and the and people that live in like oh my God if you live in like Kansas yeah like somewhere that's like kind of low population and and no light pollution totally dang dang dude we used to lay out at nights in the summertime our next door neighbor the had a pool and we would sometimes have like a slumber party where we'd all lay in sleeping bags next to their pool and we would lay on their chaise lounges and look up and there would just be shooting stars all night long we just that's all we did was go there's one there's one there's one it was awesome that's amazing so anyway that's basically the feel of this town this was the kind of town where and I think I've told the story before in the show but like in my town at one time a guy on the street tried to purse snatch a lady's purse and everyone on the sidewalk chased him up the street yes it's that everyone knows each other everyone's from there people like stay there grow up there stay there raise their kids there there's generations and generations of like ranching people of all kinds of people so it's cool it's I feel now I feel lucky when I was growing up there I was like get me out of course i want to go to manhattan right um so when this happened it happened it was a little house that was on the uh a little walnut park that was i think it's walnut park um a little park that's in the kind of city center and it's really cute my friend hidey peterson's mom actually had a house so it's basically a park in the center and then the you know four streets squaring around it.

[543] So it wasn't rural.

[544] It wasn't in the middle of nowhere.

[545] No, they lived downtown Petaluma.

[546] Wow.

[547] So they lived walking distance.

[548] Like the main part of downtown is like Pedaluma Boulevard and Western.

[549] And that's where like the really old buildings the old two and three story buildings are.

[550] They lived probably 10 blocks from that part of town.

[551] Wow.

[552] So, but still, and this was, this happened in 1993, but even then this was the kind of town where people did not lock their front door.

[553] You just didn't.

[554] There was no reason to.

[555] No. It seems like such a like what everyone says.

[556] Like you didn't lock your door, but like, I'll wait it.

[557] I don't think you did.

[558] Right.

[559] It's how like, it was, I think that's also that that's that thing of like people as, as we get older and as this kind of like 20, 20 generation grows up.

[560] Yes.

[561] It's that thing of like, now we just know what happens to other people.

[562] Right.

[563] Our parents didn't do it because they came from a time when you didn't have to.

[564] We do it as adults because we grew up.

[565] Right.

[566] We didn't understand the possibility as much, I think.

[567] Yeah.

[568] But also in these small towns, that it just didn't happen there.

[569] So it wasn't like you're like, well, we should be careful anyway.

[570] It'd be like, don't be weird.

[571] Yeah.

[572] There's no reason.

[573] So on October 1st, 1993, Polly was having a slumber party with two of her friends.

[574] And Eve was in the of the house her mom was in the front of the house and um somebody came in their back door uh walked into her bedroom and the the rumor is that he said which one of you lives here now i know a bunch of small town rumors about this case and they could completely be bullshit but i'm basically just telling you this how i want to hear those wait so how old was she she at the time was 12 Okay, and so were they sleeping already?

[575] They were all awake.

[576] They were awake and like doing slumber party stuff.

[577] And the mom was awake and everything?

[578] Holy shit.

[579] So he tied the friends up first and put sleep pillowcases over their head.

[580] And then he took her out of the house.

[581] And he told them to count to a thousand or he'd kill them.

[582] So they, once they heard him go, they got free and then ran to the front of the house and said someone took Polly.

[583] Good for them.

[584] So the other thing is Dave Anthony, the co -host of The Dollop, my first comedy boyfriend, when we lived in San Francisco, he still worked at the bank in his hometown, which is Novado, the town next to my town going south to San Francisco.

[585] And his boss at that bank, his daughter was one of those two girls.

[586] So when this shit kicked off, it was like everyone you knew was affected in some way.

[587] Yeah.

[588] Everyone you knew knew a person, everyone you knew.

[589] Like my sister's best friend, Adrian, who is basically like my sister too.

[590] She pulled out a photo album one time because she also worked at BioBottoms.

[591] That job was actually really awesome.

[592] It was like paid you way more than minimum wage.

[593] Right.

[594] It was a, and we basically just sat there from like six in the morning until two in the afternoon and took calls and took orders.

[595] And so you could actually make kind of a good living.

[596] Yeah.

[597] And and then have the rest of your day done.

[598] So she was like a young mother.

[599] She worked there with me. She pulled out a photo album one time of, there was somebody had a baby shower, and everybody was there, and Eve brought Polly to that baby shower.

[600] So this girl was like, it's that thing where it's not just, oh, a girl from our town, we all feel so everybody knew this family.

[601] Holy shit.

[602] That's so crazy that when there's just like, and I've noticed this with hometown murders that are all like, my brother's best friend from college, or it's always someone, you know, it's not just a hometown murder, the thing that happened in their hometown.

[603] It's like a thing that could have been them or they knew the people or they affected, you know, affected them somehow.

[604] Totally.

[605] So interesting.

[606] Well, and that, I think that's also that thing that ties us into it is because, like, I remember the first time I went home, my sister called me to tell me that it happened.

[607] And the first time I went home, I drove, so to get off the freeway, I have to drive a Petaluma Boulevard.

[608] And then my parents now, live it.

[609] My dad lives in town.

[610] They finally, of course, when we graduated from high school, moved out, that's when my parents moved into town and got cable and ordered pizza constantly.

[611] They didn't have cable until you left for college?

[612] No. Oh my God.

[613] No, I, my friends would talk about the Brady Bunch.

[614] That was like on Channel 44, which was like, oh, that's the San Francisco station that like other people have.

[615] Yeah.

[616] We just had dipshit Gilligan's Island.

[617] Anyway, I'm not shaming you.

[618] It's just like, it's such an interesting fact of your life.

[619] Yeah.

[620] It's so weird.

[621] And also because my dad's a fireman, which is this classic move of fireman, which was, we have cable in the firehouse.

[622] We don't need that shit.

[623] So he saw all the terrible stuff that cable provided.

[624] And he was like, I'm keeping that away from my kids.

[625] And yet it didn't make a fucking difference.

[626] Look at you now.

[627] Look at the things I'm talking about how much I say the F word.

[628] It has no, it had no bearing on your life at all.

[629] I think it pushed me the other direction.

[630] Probably.

[631] That's why I'm a Satanist.

[632] Just kidding.

[633] Dad.

[634] He's not listening to this.

[635] So anyway, the first time I came home after my sister told me about it, I'm pretty sure it was for Thanksgiving.

[636] Or maybe it was somewhere in the middle of November.

[637] The entire town, because Polly's favorite color was purple.

[638] The entire town in every fucking car had a purple bow on it.

[639] Like a purple ribbon, like the yellow ribbon for soldiers.

[640] There was purple ribbons for waiting for Polly to get found.

[641] long had she been gone by that point um well that she got kidnapped on october first wow and so this was probably three weeks it was everywhere and it was like it gave me the chills at by the time i got to my parents outside i was crying oh it was so heavy then my sister who loves to be this person started telling me all the stuff that she heard and apparently so that happened the night of october first the next day they had to tell all the kids at pedlima junior high because she was in um I believe 7th grade.

[642] And she was is the beginning of 7th grade.

[643] Like if it was October, she'd probably only been in school for a couple months.

[644] They made the announcement that she was missing and they had flyers that said, have you seen me?

[645] And they said after school, we want you all to hand these out everywhere you can.

[646] The kids took the flyers and all got up and left school.

[647] Right that moment and went out into the town.

[648] Are you crying?

[649] I started that my sister told me that story And I sobbed for like 10 minutes straight Because it's like these kids This was a girl that was their friend This was the girl they had a crush on This was like a real person, a human being That someone just fucking took out of her room I mean it's so brazen That it's a nightmare It's even scarier that it's just like not Other circumstances like she was alone Or you know her parents weren't home or something it's just like you can't blame it yourself you can't blame anything yeah right and and also that yeah it's just it's every parent's nightmare it's every kid's nightmare yeah so the young the young children of that class in petaluma high at peddlema junior high i've always had just this like the biggest warm spot in my heart for them because also it was just like we don't give a fuck like put us on detention what are you going to do we're going to go do everything we can to help find her Yeah, and how can you sit through the rest of the school day?

[650] I mean, I get it.

[651] I mean, I'm sure, you know, but it's just, it was kind of just a beautiful, incredibly sad thing.

[652] And the whole town took it that way.

[653] I mean, everybody, you know, they, they, so Winona Ryder is from my hometown.

[654] Okay.

[655] And she, I think she also grew up, like, out in the country like I did.

[656] And she went to Petaluma Junior High and Petalum High School.

[657] and she came back and she made the announcement when they were still looking for her so they ended up finding her or no they ended up like making an arrest near the end of November the beginning of December so somewhere in there like at the end of November Winona Ryder went on TV and made an announcement at national news saying this girl's missing if you've seen her we love her she's part of the community this is my town like all the shit where you know I'm sitting in an apartment in San Francisco watching it being like this is so weird this is my this is where I grew up this is my whole life and like and it's everyone going like yeah this is this is our girl like we have to find her someone has to do something so the horrible part of all of it is these the the policemen the peddlema police actually immediately called in the FBI they did all that stuff that we talked about like there's other or Novato that other murder that young girl where they just immediately call the FBI like they know they're in over their head they do the whole missing person's thing but the problem was the night that it happened when the APB went out it went out on the sheriff's channel which was channel one and that night they There was some Sonoma Valley police officers that found...

[658] So a woman was a babysitting at her boss's house, and she saw a car that was on her boss's private road.

[659] And so she called the police and said, I don't know who this guy is, but there's a car sitting down there stuck in a ditch, and someone needs to come.

[660] So it was the...

[661] From what I saw on Wikipedia, it said Sonoma Valley Police.

[662] I'm not sure if that's accurate, or what area they were in.

[663] But it was somewhere kind of in the rural part.

[664] So it all goes, kind of starts going by county.

[665] So it might have been Sonoma County, sheriff, Sonoma County police, whatever.

[666] But they call the police to go out there.

[667] And the police who went were on Channel 3.

[668] This was before they had united all of the APB channels.

[669] Oh, God.

[670] So if the APB went out for the Sheriff's Department, it only went out to the other sheriffs on Channel 1, I guess.

[671] now they have it because of this kidnapping and this murder they changed all of that so the second an APB goes out in 911 whatever thing like that everybody hears it on all of those channels but it wasn't like that then so these two cops go up and they check this guy out they don't know they don't like how he looks they don't like where he is they don't they're asking him a bunch of questions he's got an open container he's clearly been drinking he's got leaves in his hair he's got shit on him and but they searched the car there's nothing going on there's nothing in the car so there's nothing they can do they told they really didn't like they just the feel of it knowing nothing about what was going on they didn't like him but they told the um and this is going to sound blamey but it's it's one of those things where it's like you it's better to overdo it than not do anything at all definitely because they told the uh property owner um You need to make a citizen's arrest so we can arrest this guy because we can't.

[672] There's nothing that's going on that we can do anything about because this is a private road.

[673] It's your property.

[674] So you need to come out and say, I want, you're under citizen's arrest and then we can take him away.

[675] And the property owner was like, I don't want to do that.

[676] Yeah.

[677] So they just.

[678] It's understandable because then he knows where she lives.

[679] That's exactly right.

[680] The minute she, you know, he gets let out.

[681] Yeah.

[682] So they have to let him go.

[683] yeah but what they did was they did they basically did every little piece this is like now the opposite of most of the stories we hear these cops did every little piece of paperwork they possibly could about this guy they took his name they took all the information about his car where they were the report and everything and they filed the thing it's called like an f1 file or something like that and it was the one thing that they could basically do was was fill out this um uh uh uh What is it called?

[684] It's called in, it doesn't really matter.

[685] It's like an F1 card or something like that.

[686] Okay.

[687] That basically says, this was an event that happened that the police got called to that we don't like, but there's nothing we can do, but it happened.

[688] And we want people to know.

[689] So they did that immediately.

[690] And then when did they find out that that's who that was?

[691] Sorry, it was an FI card, a field interrogation card.

[692] Okay.

[693] So they have all his information, they have the car information, and what happened?

[694] Sorry, what was the question?

[695] That makes sense.

[696] So when did they realize who it was?

[697] Or were you getting that?

[698] I thought that's what you meant.

[699] Oh, okay.

[700] So, no. So once they left, they don't know.

[701] On November 28th, so then it was basically two months later.

[702] Yeah.

[703] That same property owner is inspecting her property after loggers partially cleared the property of trees, and she discovers items that make her think that they might have matched those used in the kidnapping.

[704] Oh, no. So the sheriff's department goes out there, and they find a torn pair of ballet leggings that matched by the FBI crime lab to the other part of the leggings that were taken as evidence the night of the kidnapping.

[705] So they basically, the theory is that he had already taken her out of the car and hidden her out in these bushes.

[706] Walt and then went back to the car Then the cops pull up And he's just like Yeah you can look at any shit that I want Because she's tied up in the bushes over there They don't know whether or not He when they arrested this guy So this guy's named Richard Allen Davis He has he is on par with Charles Manson And how many times he has been arrested It been in jail Like the worst record Miles long He wouldn't tell them anything He wouldn't tell them anything them the events.

[707] Once he confessed that he's the one that killed her, he didn't, he wouldn't give them details of anything.

[708] So they would try to walk him through it and he just wouldn't say what happened or what he did or anything.

[709] He just admitted like they had all the enough evidence to bring him to trial.

[710] And he basically was like, yeah, I did it.

[711] But he didn't, he didn't tell them he didn't.

[712] They don't know if she was murdered that night.

[713] They don't know if he kept her for longer but she wasn't found her body wasn't found there her body was found off of the 101 freeway pretty far north up in cloverfield uh which is like it's so weird too like when i you hear all these things like these are the towns where we played we played against them in softball in high school it's like the town you would go to we would go there on our way to blue lake on our way to vacation right like every summer no i'm picturing places in orange county and i can i can make sense of that Yeah.

[714] So it's just like you're just thinking as you drive up, it's also rural up there anyway.

[715] But as you drive up, you just look out and somewhere off the side of the highway, there was a little girl's body buried.

[716] I hate it.

[717] It's really awful.

[718] Essentially, the three strike law was put into place after this case happened because this guy had such an insane record where it was like, you can't just get arrested for a ton of terrible shit like 50.

[719] times in your life and not have and just keep getting out and keep doing stuff like this like he he was um he was pretty awful so he admitted to strangling her to death um but that's all the information that he would give um i wonder why he wouldn't because he was toying with them he would think that if he had gotten them sorry am i interrupting you no not at all you would think that if he had not killed her before the cops came he would have wanted them to know that so he can like taunt them almost he was super weird so when they when they put him on trial he did a bunch of weird shit he flipped off like the jury like he was mansini in that way where he it was stuff like before they arrested him in my town there was the rumor was that the father did it oh fuck and it was because they were like he's got you know he owes money to the he owes money for gambling he's this he's that and And the father was on TV constantly.

[720] If you remember anything from this case, you remember Mark Klaus being on TV and talking about her.

[721] So I think a lot of people in my town, their reaction to that was like, it seems like you're enjoying this publicity a little too much.

[722] Looking back, that poor guy.

[723] Yes.

[724] What an awful thing to say.

[725] Yeah.

[726] Well, that's small town gossip.

[727] You know what I mean?

[728] Where everyone's looking for the answer.

[729] And so it's easy to get a target on your back.

[730] Sure.

[731] and also it just it's it's one thing to be on the news crying and being like I need my daughter back but I don't know there it was easy to kind of put that on him because I think it would he he was a zealot but I mean you know that's it's that thing of like we don't know how people grieve right and he could be the kind of person that's like I just need to do something with myself sure look at Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman's dad yeah you know kind of went out of his mind Yeah I mean Who's to say how you would act Or how it would be Here's the good news If any About any of that There's a there's now They took the There was this little church That in this weird part of the road Where I go to go to my dad's house And they took that And that's now called the Polycloth Center For the Performing Arts Because she was big into theater And she wanted to be an actress And that was why It meant so much that Winona Ryder came back and talked about her.

[732] It was all very sweet.

[733] So they've kind of dedicated that to like kids, you know, making sure kids like, I guess, have a place to perform.

[734] And I don't know.

[735] For that part, it's very sweet and positive.

[736] And the thing about they basically, all the things that got fucked up in the beginning of with through communication, they actually did stuff about.

[737] Sure.

[738] Yeah, that's great.

[739] So like the APB thing and the Three Strikes Law.

[740] there like a lot of good things came out of that that's amazing but also um richard dylan davis actually had to get put into solitary because he was getting beaten up so much so god bless like that jailhouse justice like they couldn't they couldn't wait to beat this man up for killing this girl i mean i want to say good but at the same time it's you can't you can't say that there's no yeah there's no conscience.

[741] There's no good.

[742] But they actually, and he's on death row.

[743] He got the death sentence.

[744] So he's still alive now?

[745] He's still alive because California doesn't ever really execute anybody.

[746] So it's just, it's people sitting on death row.

[747] But his lawyers actually tried to say they have tried to get, or is it, where is this part?

[748] They basically tried to say that it's torturing him by making him.

[749] him wait to find out when he's going to be executed.

[750] Oh.

[751] They tried to make that argument that it's like, that's, um, yeah, what do you call that?

[752] It's called them inhumane.

[753] What's it called?

[754] Yeah, I don't know.

[755] Something like, it's something along those lines or it's just like, when you, when I read the paragraph, I was just like, you got to be fucking cute.

[756] Who would actually have the balls to say that out loud?

[757] God, sometimes, sometimes I get really mad at lawyers.

[758] I don't, I don't want to start the whole like shit talking that we do about cops sometimes because I know it's complicated and you promise to do these things and you're and uphold the law.

[759] But sometimes I'm just like, I just don't know how they live with themselves sometimes when they're defending someone who's a monster.

[760] Exactly.

[761] And doing the best that they can to get them off.

[762] I guess it's not, I guess you just want to get them a fair trial.

[763] Yeah.

[764] It must be hard.

[765] I would never want to be a lawyer ever.

[766] Oh, cruel and unusual pun.

[767] There it is.

[768] Yeah.

[769] That's the one we were looking for.

[770] Wow.

[771] Yeah.

[772] That's sad.

[773] So that's mine.

[774] I actually had a lot of guilt for not doing this story earlier because it was, it's my real hometown murder.

[775] Um, because I knew, like I was, it was really a part of my life.

[776] But then also it feels bad to talk about, like, I actually hesitated in saying her mom's name because I don't want it to seem like I'm trying to, anything.

[777] Well, Karen, you started crying in it.

[778] I don't think you've ever done that in any of them before.

[779] I don't think I have either.

[780] So I feel like it's important.

[781] And, I don't think you should feel mad at all.

[782] Okay.

[783] Also, there was, this is, there's another little girl that got killed in my town that no one talks about because she was black.

[784] Her name's George, uh, Georgia Moses.

[785] And that story is really sad and awful.

[786] I'll do it a different time.

[787] But that actually gets brought up a lot in tandem with Polyclass because it's like, Polyclass was a beautiful little girl.

[788] Like the, you know, blonde.

[789] She was, no, she wasn't blonde, but she was, she was, she was, she was, she was, she was, but it's that thing.

[790] of like, you know, the press loves, like, a beautiful little martyr like that.

[791] Yeah.

[792] And then when it's a story of a girl who grew up on the wrong side of the tracks and had all the worst in her life and then was just murdered, like, just thrown away, no one talks about it.

[793] Yeah.

[794] Except for Tom Waits, who lives in my town, who lives way out in the country, wrote a song for George and Moses, yeah.

[795] Oh, I bet you can find his PO box pretty easily.

[796] Is that terrible?

[797] not at all thank you oh georgia moses i'm sorry yeah but i'm all yeah that's fucking bummer i know i know how do you feel now you know i'm glad i'm glad i'm glad i said it do you feel cleansed a little no okay no i just think it's like you know what it's all around us that's kind of the thing that yeah that i feel like keeps coming up on this podcast it's like this isn't special no i know it happens the people that it happens to are and it's a full on tragedy in ways that you can't even take in but it it happens constantly yeah it's like a it's a very normal part of life which I think once you well the reason we're doing that is because like we see that and we're freaked out by it and fascinated by it and like we could have a million episodes and not get to half the like everyday murders that just happen all the time that you haven't heard about, or you haven't, didn't know the details.

[798] For real.

[799] It's just, yeah.

[800] Yeah.

[801] So, my murder.

[802] Okay, like a month and a half or two months ago, we got an email inviting us to the screening of a new documentary called The Witness.

[803] And it's a documentary about Kitty Genovese.

[804] That's how you say it, right?

[805] Kenny Genevies And we couldn't go And so the guy sent us a screener to watch You did?

[806] Yeah You didn't see that There's like a password and shit Oh yeah I'm a email skimmer Oh okay Constantly in trouble for it That's hilarious I like read into every single word on an email I'm like what do they mean by that I just saw that invitation And I was like It was a big long thing about being invited but there were no details where I was like, what time?

[807] Like, where, what?

[808] And then I just kind of gave up after that.

[809] Yeah.

[810] I mean, and I was kind of like, okay, whatever about it.

[811] This was like a while ago and finally I started watching it last night.

[812] And it's really fucking good.

[813] Oh, awesome.

[814] Yeah.

[815] The narrator, the guy who's kind of the, in the shit of it, he's like the dude who you follow is Kitty Genevieve's little brother.

[816] Wow.

[817] Yeah.

[818] In real life?

[819] Yes.

[820] So he, okay, so let me tell you about the murder a little bit.

[821] Okay.

[822] I'll say, so Catherine, Kitty, Genevese, was stabbed a death outside her apartment building in Q Gardens, Queens.

[823] Like, I feel like everyone knows the story.

[824] And that's why I was a little like, okay, like, I've heard the story a million fucking times.

[825] She's the girl that basically everyone is like, she was being stabbed.

[826] There were 38 witnesses from an apartment building across the street, and no one did anything.

[827] thing.

[828] And it kind of started the whole, like, the bystander effect, bystander effect, where no, but, you know, the more people watching something, the less likely anyone's going to intervene.

[829] And it had, it had all these, like, these effects on New York and what's happening to the city and people are horrible.

[830] And, you know, this kind of, this kind of awful thing of, of nobody helping.

[831] Yeah.

[832] It's in like every psych 101.

[833] Totally.

[834] Yeah.

[835] So, yeah.

[836] And so I don't want to spoil them.

[837] movie because I think everyone should go see it, but I'm going to talk about the murder so that people remember what it is, and also some of the interesting points from this movie without spoiling it, because I don't think I could do that.

[838] It's really fucking good.

[839] So on March 13th, she finishes her shift at a sports bar.

[840] She's a bartender, and she gets home and parks her car at three in the morning at like a side parking lot, which sucks.

[841] And I feel like she immediately saw her killer.

[842] Winston Mosley was like hanging out, clearly looking for a victim.

[843] Um, so she gets home at like 3 .15.

[844] She parks.

[845] Um, it's about a hundred feet from her apartment door.

[846] Yeah.

[847] Yeah.

[848] So she's walking towards her building.

[849] He starts to approach her.

[850] She immediately starts running and like knowing something's going on.

[851] He overtakes her and stabs her twice right there on the sidewalk, right across the street from this huge apartment building.

[852] Um, and so the story is that people came out and looked and no one fucking did anything.

[853] But, In reality, it's so much murkier than that.

[854] What it sounds like is that most people thought it was a lover's quarrel.

[855] They look out the window, but she's, but she yells, oh, my God, he stabbed me, help me. But most people didn't hear her cry out in the beginning.

[856] Most people thought it was a bar brawl or a lover's quarrel.

[857] And by the time a lot of people looked out, he was running away.

[858] And so she walks around the corner stumbling to her.

[859] apartment.

[860] And so people see her go around the corner and that's all they saw.

[861] And in reality, people did call.

[862] Oh, the police.

[863] But back then, you just called, you didn't call, there was no 911.

[864] And this is part of the reason there is a 911 now is because they needed, they need, you know, you can't just call the police precinct and get people there.

[865] Okay.

[866] Um, the earliest calls to the police are unclear and weren't given a high priority by them.

[867] And it looks like some of them might not have even been logged.

[868] One witness at his father called the police after the initial attack and reported that a woman was beat up, but got up and was staggering around.

[869] So no one knew she was actually being stabbed.

[870] So he fucking runs away when someone yells out the window.

[871] Let that girl alone.

[872] You hear him in the documentary and he's like this salty old man. He's amazing.

[873] Let that girl alone.

[874] He runs away.

[875] She staggers off.

[876] He Mosley leaves, comes back when he realizes that no cops are coming and finds her again, which is the most fucking terrifying part of this whole story.

[877] So you can't, if someone had come out to see how she was and there was a doorman in the apartment building right across the street, if someone had come out, you know, maybe they could have helped or brought her into their house.

[878] Instead, she goes into the doorway of her apartment building, which has one, it's got one outside door, and then a locked inside door, and she's dying, and so she can't get her keys or unlock that door.

[879] He fucking comes back and finds her in the stairwell.

[880] Just like a fucking deer that had been, you know.

[881] And what?

[882] And stabs are more?

[883] Stabs are more.

[884] They don't mention, I haven't finished the documentary yet, and they don't mention this, and maybe it's just because he can't fucking handle it, which is fair, read that he raped her.

[885] After he stabbed her?

[886] After he, well, she was dying.

[887] He raped her.

[888] I don't know if they're going to mention it in the documentary.

[889] I'm sure they will because it's a huge part of it, but I heard that in the, in the documentary, it says that he attempted to.

[890] So I wonder, and the brother, it's so interesting because he's like, I've never been able to deal with, I haven't known the details of this until recently because I just couldn't handle it.

[891] And it seems like it was a really tight -knit family.

[892] Yeah, that's so understandable.

[893] I don't know how people know.

[894] deal with that when they find out the details of horrible things that happen to their their, like those next of kin, I mean, it's awful.

[895] I mean, they didn't, I guess the family didn't even go to the trial because they just couldn't even handle it.

[896] I bet.

[897] You know, which is like, do you, I, what's great about this documentary is it feels like this guy is kind of like, the more I know, the closer I'll be to her and I need to find out what happened and know the truth because this is, the truth of that crime now is what everyone wrote about.

[898] it and when people talk about it in sociology classes and shit, which is turning out not to be true.

[899] So, you know, the New York Times article said that it was 38 people witnessed it and didn't know.

[900] But so, but the upstairs neighbor looked out into the stairwell, sees her being stabbed, closes the door, and calls his girlfriend who said, don't get involved.

[901] But then later calls the police.

[902] So like, dude, you should feel like shit, right?

[903] Yeah.

[904] Yeah.

[905] It's like.

[906] But also it's New York City.

[907] I know.

[908] Like, it's that thing where, yeah, you don't, what are you going to go out there and who knows what's actually happening?

[909] Totally.

[910] Is it just a lover's quarrel?

[911] Do you really want to get involved?

[912] It's like, yeah.

[913] Not that I wouldn't get involved in the, not that the woman deserves it because it's a lover's squirrel, but.

[914] But it makes sense in that city setting.

[915] Like, anything can happen and you just don't know.

[916] Yeah.

[917] You put your life at risk for a stranger who could turn around and be like, get the fuck on it.

[918] Totally.

[919] You don't know.

[920] Well, here's a really interesting.

[921] One of the.

[922] parts of the documentary that I loved is he's interviewing the kid and the family never knew that their next -door neighbor who was um kitty's best like one of her good friends her the soon as she found out what happened put on her housecoat ran out and held kitty until she until the ambulance came and the brother in the documentary was like I wish my why didn't my family know that it would have meant so much to us to know that her friend was there while she died Um, and so the son is being interviewed, her, the friend's son and is like, here's the thing about this neighborhood, a lot of people were Holocaust survivors.

[923] And a lot of people in that building were Holocaust survivors.

[924] And you don't, you don't intervene.

[925] You don't stick your nose.

[926] You don't, you know, get involved in what might happen with in cops and police interrogations.

[927] You just fucking leave it alone.

[928] Which is such a sad thing that you would never think about.

[929] Right.

[930] You know.

[931] Well, those are people that are like, I've had plenty of.

[932] of trouble.

[933] I'm not doing it anymore.

[934] Right.

[935] You mind her fucking business.

[936] Yeah.

[937] It's, it's gross, but it's hard to, hard to argue.

[938] So, Mosley gets, um, gets caught a couple days later when he's burglarizing a house.

[939] He had no prior criminal record and he was married with three children.

[940] And he got up the night of out of bed where his wife was sleeping to go find a woman to kill.

[941] What?

[942] Yeah.

[943] But he had actually killed two other women.

[944] And he had never been caught.

[945] And he did a bunch of burglars as well.

[946] Oh, so he is like a burgeoning serial killer.

[947] Totally.

[948] Let's see.

[949] He confessed to 30 to 40 burglaries.

[950] A psychiatric examination suggested he was a necrophile.

[951] Mm -hmm.

[952] Fuck.

[953] And then he said something, he said that his motive was simply he wanted to kill a woman.

[954] that was his motive yeah it's pretty sick I have to say I've seen the picture of that guy he has very plucked eyebrows he looks a lot like Prince and Richard Little had a baby Richard Little I'm not Richard Little Little Little Richard Oh my God Where am I?

[955] Oh no No he does that's exactly right He looks like a drag queen At the end of her ship totally like washed it all off is ready to just you know high cheekbones high cheekbones very plucked eyebrows or something like a cat like face yes oh god weird i'm picturing seeing that face standing above me stabbing me because what is the deal what is the deal so all right he confesses um let's see he's a fucking necro he okay so while in prison in the 70s he gets a bachelor of arts in sociology which is insane oh good like there's you're not using that for for good dude you're using that to understand yes how you can take advantage of people that is ted bundy action right ted bundy was a psychology major son of a bitch yep and they know oh that's oh man and then during his he's eligible for parole in 84 which is like what the fuck and at his first parole hearing, he told the parole board that the notoriety he faced due his crimes made him a victim stating, for a victim outside, it's a one time or one hour or one minute affair.

[956] But for the person who's caught, it's forever.

[957] Yeah, much sadder.

[958] Yeah.

[959] Much sadder.

[960] Oh, you get a minute of murder and I have to live the rest of my life in jail.

[961] Well, you know what?

[962] How about you put your super sociological mind to that and say, then maybe don't stab people and you won't be so deeply victimized by your fucking shitty behavior.

[963] You're correct.

[964] And that's why you don't fucking not, that's not the only reason, but that's one of the reasons you don't murder.

[965] Well, this is the Brock Turner thing of like, this drunken girl is ruining my whole future.

[966] It's like, no rapist.

[967] Yeah.

[968] You ruined your future.

[969] Yeah.

[970] You did it, dummy.

[971] Like, it's they, it's that, it's very psychopathic.

[972] It's like you skip over the thing you did that made things happen.

[973] Have you known people like that where you're like, how do you not see your role in this thing?

[974] Oh, yeah.

[975] I'm asked that because I'm sure you.

[976] I have stopped participating with people like that for that of very reason.

[977] If you cannot admit your own fault in your life, that the behavior that you bring to the table is the thing that affects and, you know, creates the situation around you.

[978] If it's always other people, then you have a major problem.

[979] It's so weird to see those people and like, I mean, it almost feels like an argument or the blame thing is like a game to win.

[980] Yes.

[981] And so as soon as they can get you to not blame them and to take it all on you, which I've fucking done many times with people, they win.

[982] You have to read the book, The Sociopath Next Door.

[983] Yeah.

[984] Because I think in the, I think the numbers are, it's one in four.

[985] Jesus.

[986] People are sociopaths.

[987] And those people have no conscience.

[988] Everything is a power game to them.

[989] All they want to do is beat you.

[990] And they will beat you in terms of money, in terms of sex, in terms of status.

[991] That's all they care about.

[992] And they don't have empathy.

[993] So you're constantly left going, I would never do this.

[994] But it's like, yeah, that's right.

[995] Because this isn't, this person is.

[996] nothing like you.

[997] Are you scared you're gonna like, if you read that, you'll just like look for that and everyone.

[998] I mean, I guess everyone has some of this traits.

[999] You should look for it in everyone.

[1000] You should because then you know when you're being mind fucked, you'll go, oh my God.

[1001] That's, oh, now I realize why I'm so like you need to know that information.

[1002] Yeah.

[1003] Okay.

[1004] You need to be able to spot a sociopath.

[1005] I think that should be taught in high schools.

[1006] I'm not kidding.

[1007] And I put it in a comic book so Vince doesn't see me reading that and think I'm like studying up on him.

[1008] Vince is not a sociopath.

[1009] I know he's not.

[1010] Oh, you just don't want him to see you paying attention to it.

[1011] Yeah, or like being like, why are you reading that?

[1012] Say, I'm doing it for you, baby.

[1013] Yeah.

[1014] This is for the marriage.

[1015] I say, I'm a sociopath.

[1016] I think our cats are sociopaths.

[1017] One and four.

[1018] I mean, if we had one more person in this room, it would be one of us.

[1019] I'm thinking.

[1020] It's so easy to like put some of that on people I know.

[1021] well also because sometimes people just piss you off so it's like calling someone a sociopath is very satisfying yeah it's like well this makes sense but i do know people who after being friends with them for a while and then being like i cannot be friends with you anymore you are like you're basically a vampire yeah then when you when you pull away and then you read this book you go holy shit yeah i mean there's like a step by step thing where it's like is this a person who would never cop to anything.

[1022] Is this a person who only ever wanted to take more for themselves?

[1023] It's like it's a very clear kind of defining thing.

[1024] Fuck, dude.

[1025] Read it.

[1026] I think I over, I over accept responsibility for things because I don't, I'm trying so hard not to not to let myself get away with shit.

[1027] Yes.

[1028] Well, part of it, I do the exact same thing.

[1029] And for me, part of it is an ego problem because I think the world revolves around me 100%.

[1030] So I like it.

[1031] the idea of people of like, oh my God, this person's doing this and that.

[1032] Like, it, it adds to my ego mania of like, I'm, everybody's thinking of me all the time.

[1033] There is a certain something about like, even being like, I feel so bad about this thing that happened where it's like, nobody, why are you making it about you?

[1034] Right.

[1035] Not you specifically, but like, well, it's better to let it go.

[1036] Like, the healthier thing is to be like, maybe I had 50 % of that.

[1037] Maybe I had 0 % of it.

[1038] Yeah.

[1039] Like, but look at it, learn from it, move on and let it go.

[1040] But to sit around and be like, Oh, I was so bad that time.

[1041] It's like, yeah.

[1042] Yeah, you're just thinking of yourself and not thinking of other people.

[1043] Yeah.

[1044] I'm a sociopath.

[1045] Are you?

[1046] I'm in vina right now.

[1047] No, you're not.

[1048] One in three, one and three, one and three.

[1049] Including Elvis.

[1050] It's me. But what if it's me?

[1051] No, it's not me. Well, do you have a conscience?

[1052] Yeah.

[1053] Then you're fine.

[1054] I mean, what's a conscience?

[1055] No, I didn't all I do.

[1056] Guilt.

[1057] I mean, we got that covered.

[1058] Steven.

[1059] Guilty.

[1060] Do you feel it?

[1061] I feel guilty all the time.

[1062] Yeah, we're all good.

[1063] We just need the next person who walks to the store, which will probably be vented.

[1064] It's the sociopath.

[1065] Let's play a game.

[1066] Your neighbor knocks on the door.

[1067] Excuse me. My mom just drops in and I'm like, yeah, no shit.

[1068] Hi, welcome.

[1069] Hi, my therapist was right about you.

[1070] Could you answer some questions for me?

[1071] Let me just pull this book out of my back pocket.

[1072] Oh, mom.

[1073] Okay, what did I want to?

[1074] What was my, let's see here?

[1075] Holocaust survivors.

[1076] None of the witnesses observe the attacks in their entirety because of the layout of the complex was weird.

[1077] And it seems like she was attacked in two different places.

[1078] Yeah.

[1079] And as far as they knew, he ran away and she walked away and they couldn't see her anymore.

[1080] And she was staggering.

[1081] I mean, she only got stabbed twice.

[1082] So how do you know you couldn't even see that she was stabbed by the time you run to the window?

[1083] See, I remember that story from psychology class that she got stabbed like 35 times.

[1084] She got stabbed a lot more once he came back to her.

[1085] Oh, oh, okay.

[1086] So that was, oh, I see.

[1087] The initial witnessable part was two stabs.

[1088] Right.

[1089] The initial, like, when everyone saw it was two and then he had a private moment, you know, private in the doorway.

[1090] So no one actually saw that.

[1091] Oh, God, so terrible.

[1092] That's so nightmarish.

[1093] There's a, um, crime to remember about Kenny, Kitty Genevies.

[1094] Yeah.

[1095] And I just was like, okay.

[1096] I didn't even watch it.

[1097] You didn't?

[1098] No, I'm sure I watched it because I watched every episode of that show.

[1099] there's also a girls episode where they like talk about it oh really like one of the guys is in a play where they reenact the whole thing but of course there's a lot of girls drama going on so they didn't really talk about it but I love that show I'm not making fun of it let's see so it became known as the bystandard effect or the Genevieve's syndrome um but people are now questioning what really fucking happened yeah so okay so everyone one go to YouTube and you can watch the trailer.

[1100] It's called The Witness.

[1101] And if you go to the witness dash film .com, it's in the theaters right now.

[1102] If you have an art house theater in your town and it's, it's going to be a lot of small town.

[1103] So it's not like random and hopefully it'll be on Hulu or something at some point.

[1104] Yeah.

[1105] And then it's unlikely that she was able to scream at any point after she got stabbed the first time anyways because they stabbed her because they stabbed her in the lungs oh yeah that's right yeah they punctured her he punctured they he punctured her lung so after that second stabbing she probably wasn't screaming anyways so it's not like a bunch of people ignored that as well this whole murder is like worst case scenario fucking fucking worst like she would have died from the initial attack it sounds like because he punctured her to lung and she died from exfixiation, but, and so if the cops had been called and at that point, they took her to the hospital and she died, it, it wouldn't have been the same thing as if he fucking ran away and came back and was like, nobody cares.

[1106] Yeah.

[1107] I can continue this.

[1108] Yeah.

[1109] That's so awful to think about.

[1110] Yeah, it's dark.

[1111] Yeah.

[1112] Um, but the universal emergency phone number was created after this and yeah today it's used all the time but so yeah the witness is the movie it's by James Solomon and it's a really fat I feel like anyone who listens to this podcast will watch this trailer and definitely want to see it yeah it's really good and it's such a classic case I feel like even if you were you've never been interested in true crime yeah you've heard the kiddie Genevieve's story it's like it's like prerequisite in college and stuff but I guess it's an interesting thing to be like yeah you know this thing that you've heard about your whole life it's not the way you heard it that's what I love about it so I hope it's not boring that I did this this case but I just thought it was the stuff that you'd never you never knew about it and I really was it's one of those cases where I was like I've heard that a million times I know about it and you fucking totally don't and then to see it from the brother's point of view who also is like kind of a badass dude himself It happened in the Bronx Queens?

[1113] Queens.

[1114] Yeah.

[1115] People from Queens are kind of the greatest.

[1116] Oh yeah.

[1117] The voice you listen to it just for the interviews he does with the people who live around there.

[1118] They're incredible.

[1119] The accents are incredible.

[1120] There's a lot of, there's like a beautiful illustrated element of it that they use as like interstitials or to, um, to show what was actually going on with this gorgeous illustration.

[1121] Wow.

[1122] Yeah.

[1123] Very simple line drawings, but it's super beautiful.

[1124] I haven't seen this.

[1125] movie, but I also recommend the crime to remember episode about her Kitting Jadavis, because they put out some other alternate theories that are very interesting.

[1126] Wasn't one like the downstairs neighbor might have done it?

[1127] Yeah, they don't, they didn't seem convinced he did it.

[1128] But I did, none of that information that he'd already killed two other women was in there.

[1129] They focused a lot on how racist the NYPD was back then.

[1130] And so that they basically would grab up black people, black men.

[1131] Yeah.

[1132] And just be like, were you in the neighborhood.

[1133] It's you.

[1134] It sounds like way different than it is today.

[1135] Oh, so, so different.

[1136] I would just like to say, because I saw a documentary or is yours done?

[1137] Sure.

[1138] Yeah, no, totally.

[1139] Oh, okay.

[1140] No, it totally is.

[1141] Yeah.

[1142] Um, well, I just saw this.

[1143] I'm going to bring yours to an end so I can recommend my documentary that isn't true crime.

[1144] But, well, it is because it's crime.

[1145] Yeah.

[1146] It's called Tickled.

[1147] And it is unbelievably amazing because it starts out there about this online tickling competition tickling league professional tickling league I think it's called already need a fucking shower yes except for it's not what you think it's not some weird like can you believe these people exist it goes into the craziest darkest scariest fucking thing and it's this one New Zealand reporter who went who went looking into it because he's basically a human interest reporter for the local news.

[1148] He got in too deep.

[1149] He immediately started getting threatened.

[1150] And so instead of being like, whoops, better close this up, he starts investigating it.

[1151] And it's amazing.

[1152] And interestingly enough, and not to talk about them all the time, but our friends, the Dalop, who did a very, very popular episode about these tickling competitions very early on.

[1153] Like, this guy did, this New Zealand reporter did the story.

[1154] Dave and Gareth got sent the story, I think by people in Australia or New Zealand saying, you guys have to talk about this.

[1155] It's crazy.

[1156] And so then they did that episode of the dollop was super popular.

[1157] And it's actually featured in the documentary.

[1158] Shut up.

[1159] Yes.

[1160] They have audio clips of the dollop talking about this.

[1161] He's made it.

[1162] And it's the very beginning of the movie.

[1163] And then it goes into like, he's like, he basically is like, yeah, I thought this was this kooky crazy thing.

[1164] And then I started researching it.

[1165] And it is, and it is, edge of your seat.

[1166] It was one of those things we saw at the sunset, Sundance, whatever theater.

[1167] And there was only, like, 10, 15 people in the theater.

[1168] And a bunch of us were all sitting in one row, which was kind of funny.

[1169] Like, basically, there was, like, nine people in one row and then, like, four people outside of our row.

[1170] Yeah.

[1171] But by the end, we were all talking to each other.

[1172] It was one of those, like, so upsetting and, like, oh, my God, what's happening?

[1173] What channel is it on?

[1174] I want to watch it.

[1175] No, it's a movie.

[1176] It's a documentary movie that's in, like, art house.

[1177] theaters right now like The Witnesses.

[1178] We've got to have a double feature.

[1179] I wonder if we could host a double feature.

[1180] We should email this guy.

[1181] I feel like we want to do this.

[1182] Another, everything that comes up, you've got an idea.

[1183] Man, I love it.

[1184] What is that?

[1185] It's the best.

[1186] It's, you're the reason, you're the reason it's all happening.

[1187] I always think of myself as such a lazy person and I'm like constantly be writing myself for being lazy.

[1188] And then, like, sometimes I'll have to write a list of things I'm doing to just be like, just look at this Georgia.

[1189] Everything is okay.

[1190] Yeah.

[1191] No, you're doing a lot of stuff.

[1192] I liked when we were watching the Simpsons and we were on the same episode.

[1193] And then you were like, we've got to watch episode five together and live tweet it.

[1194] And I was like, you might want to watch the other episodes before you decide we should live tweet this.

[1195] It's kind of a bummer.

[1196] I know.

[1197] I was like, what do we do this?

[1198] What do we do that?

[1199] We can do that.

[1200] And like sometimes like when you just got here, you were like, we kind of had a talk like we had a conversation about something.

[1201] regarding the podcast, and you kind of had to, like, tuck me down from it.

[1202] Yeah.

[1203] I couldn't breathe.

[1204] I get it, though.

[1205] Yeah, you get, I can tell when you're excited or, like, there's a lot going on because you're, it almost looks like you're slowly drowning.

[1206] And you're trying to tell me something before you go under.

[1207] It's kind of what it's like.

[1208] Take a deep breath.

[1209] It's happened my entire life.

[1210] Yeah.

[1211] Like, I have to yawn.

[1212] I yawn a lot because I have to catch my breath.

[1213] And so I get so worked up.

[1214] That's funny that you've noticed it.

[1215] You have to think about breathing more.

[1216] Yeah.

[1217] Because that's what yawning is.

[1218] is about yawning is about low oxygen levels and you have to like your body goes take this take as much oxygen as in as you can it's so like I've gotten up in the middle of the night and like wrote a blog post about how it like it's you really feel like you're drowning and you can't breathe yeah and it's just anxiety and then that perpetuates itself and you just still can't breathe and anyways yeah so a lot of great ideas guys a lot of great oh there was someone that made my favorite piece of of art that got made on the that got posted on the Facebook page last week is someone did a free hand drawing that was a picture of the forest that said get a job, make you, buy your own shit, stay out of the forest.

[1219] But, but with these banners, did you see that?

[1220] Yeah.

[1221] It's so beautifully done and it was someone who said their friend did it, but they're not, they don't want to be on the Facebook page.

[1222] Come on, bless their souls.

[1223] I got an email from a girl that I know today who was like, oh, I just started a new job and I overheard my co -workers saying, oh my God, I'm obsessed with this new podcast.

[1224] And they were like, me too.

[1225] And they were like, what's it called?

[1226] My favorite murder.

[1227] And my friend Kelsey was like, I wanted to tell them so bad and brag that I knew you.

[1228] But it's a new job.

[1229] And I was like, tell them.

[1230] Look at her race.

[1231] She's like, I'm going to hold it for four more days.

[1232] And then drop the bomb.

[1233] They'd be like, guess what?

[1234] Yes.

[1235] I love it.

[1236] It makes me happy that a lot of people say they feel like we're best friends.

[1237] Totally.

[1238] Not with each other.

[1239] I'm not with each other.

[1240] best there it is and that's it we're done stay sexy no are we yes okay go do it again stay sexy don't get murdered I was want a cookie one cookie that's a yes that's a yes bye