32 - Just The 32 Of Us

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfanakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only Murders in the Building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Welcome to my favorite murder.

[17] My name's Karen, and I sure love murder.

[18] How about you, girl over there?

[19] This week, Girl Over There is played by Georgia Hardstark.

[20] Georges Hartstark.

[21] Georgie Hartstark.

[22] And, gee, I love murder, too.

[23] And, of course, engineer Stephen is here standing by with his mustache and his stuff, his equipment.

[24] His general style.

[25] His general style.

[26] Severe Morris of the purcast.

[27] Oh, thank you.

[28] Yeah.

[29] Who did I?

[30] We're still trapped in the baseball.

[31] Vince, so we have our murderinos that we call people who listen to this podcast.

[32] I don't, we didn't.

[33] No, we didn't, but that's what people call it.

[34] Okay.

[35] And Vince said that, so Stephen has the per cast about cats and Vince said that he should, the people who listen should be called pervert.

[36] Three R's.

[37] Right.

[38] Just really emphasize.

[39] You got to do that.

[40] I'm going to start doing it.

[41] I said you can have it.

[42] Thank you, Vince.

[43] He said, go, you can tell him you can know.

[44] That's a free one from Vince.

[45] That's a free one.

[46] Awesome.

[47] Cool.

[48] Hi, everybody, it's episode 32.

[49] Was up.

[50] I'm going to bring was up back.

[51] Are you?

[52] I have already threatened to do that.

[53] Was up.

[54] And that's how she got murdered.

[55] She was so hacky.

[56] The town killed her.

[57] The city kills her.

[58] She got killed.

[59] Do you have a housekeeping?

[60] I have things I just generally want to talk about.

[61] Well, I'll say mine that are internet specific.

[62] That are important.

[63] Yeah, mine are important.

[64] Yours aren't.

[65] Before a start just babbling.

[66] And you'll be quiet.

[67] It's my turn.

[68] How much I hate TV.

[69] Oh, did you watch the last night of?

[70] I fucking, I just, I don't, there's a block and I, I mean to, and I haven't.

[71] No. The answer's no. Well, then you don't want us DNA inside you.

[72] And you'll never get to have it.

[73] He was also on Colbert.

[74] We actually watched it at work because enough people at my work like him that we were all like, let's watch.

[75] Is he cute and well?

[76] He is perfection.

[77] There's something like Disney -esque about the scale, of the size of his eyes to the rest of his face.

[78] His nose looks like he got a nose job.

[79] It's so perfectly shaped.

[80] And then in general, he just has the he has the charisma, but he's very low key.

[81] Like he's smart enough to know not to overplay it.

[82] We're talking about Riz Ahmed.

[83] We're talking about Riz Ahmed.

[84] Britain's own.

[85] And he's got the British accent, man. Oh, dude.

[86] The like street British accent?

[87] Yeah.

[88] Stop it.

[89] But he can do any British accent.

[90] I only heard I only heard him speaking in a British accent when he was rapping so I was like yeah he was trying he was turning it a little bit on but okay well that but also I saw him in the um the unwilling fundamentalist what's that he stars in a movie about an um fundamentalist that doesn't want to be unwilling who doesn't the word isn't unwilling now sorry it's part of the title I'm his number one fan but in that one he had like a posh British British accent no I want it to be dirty please keep it dirty hi Vince it's this Karen um she said more gross stuff about Rizumette this time uh the thing I wanted to mention was uh a woman named Liam Moffat made us this amazing animated opening to our podcast theme song you can see it on the Twitter page you can see it on the Facebook page I'll put it on the I'll put it on the we have a new Facebook fan page because people told us that that's how you're supposed to do things Don't be closed off all the time Maybe open some stuff up Yeah so we have a new Facebook fan page I will post it on there It is it's your Like how do you feel watching it With your music and your voice I couldn't breathe Yeah And but also it's that weird thing of like It's very strange When someone holds up something you did And goes now here's something I did to match it Like it's just magical I love it gorgeous And it's the cutest like The style of it is so like there's a little skeleton in every scene and it's so cute the way everything flows and moves but it's creepy it's creepy it's all perfectly done so lean moffat thank you so much for thank you doing that and thinking of us and participating in that very creative and cool way thanks to everyone who like there's so many cute drawings of us even though we berated them last week they like it i know i keep posting them on we have an instagram my favorite murder and i just them constantly i like can't stop posting all day and I feel like I'm getting annoying because there's just so much cool shit to post.

[91] Well, it's fun to be able to go like, well, here's hair, because the people like it when you notice their shit.

[92] It's, you know, that's the whole idea.

[93] Can I tell you my favorite one from the last episode is you know the part where I go dough, a dead body, a female dead body, someone took a photo of my face and put it over the face in Sound of music.

[94] Sound of music where she's singing on the hilltop to all the children.

[95] And it's just my little face, like a perfect photo of me with my mouth open, like looking like I'm seeing, and it says Doe, it's Steven's showing it to Karen right now.

[96] I will put that on the Facebook page too.

[97] Oh, that's brilliant.

[98] Who did it?

[99] Jessica P. Thank you, Jessica P. Well done, Jessica P. That is hilarious, because also George's face, her mouth is open.

[100] It looks like she's going, hey!

[101] But she's holding a guitar.

[102] That's hilarious.

[103] So much good shit.

[104] Very good.

[105] You know, sadly, somebody put my face inside of Selena's face.

[106] Oh, no. No, no. It's not truly sadly.

[107] Oh.

[108] This is a comedy podcast.

[109] But it was a picture of me before I stopped drinking.

[110] You can find such a range of hideous pictures of me online.

[111] It's hilarious.

[112] I hate it.

[113] It's not cool at all.

[114] When your weight fluctuates, it's, you just, and you get photographed for things a lot.

[115] Yeah.

[116] And you just.

[117] You just kind of have to separate and you just, I, like, my thing is just like, whatever.

[118] I know what I look like.

[119] Mine's not.

[120] Oh my God, this one where they put my face and just, I'm pretty sure it was Selena's picture.

[121] It was like big 80s hair with the pink background.

[122] Did you see that, Stephen?

[123] It was, I was like, is that Charles Bronson wearing a wig?

[124] Like it looked horrifying.

[125] I hate that.

[126] But of course, I'm not complaining because of course, all the people who saw it were like, oh my God, this is so cute.

[127] Where you're just like, what?

[128] Anyway, I had to complain.

[129] And also just, we looked it up.

[130] this was in oh wait this if it if it was from the minnesota then you might not know what we're talking about but uh last week's minnesota corner what's that we have to say correction corner correction corner meow meow meow um Georgia talked about a lady who had a disease and many doctors frighteningly enough listen to this podcast yeah because those are the people or medical students I'm not sure people who know how it's actually pronounced well sorry not sorry I'm not a doctor or a medical student.

[131] Never say sorry, not sorry.

[132] Just don't be sorry.

[133] Oh, okay.

[134] Yeah.

[135] I thought you were berating me for trying to bring that back when you're trying to bring, what was it?

[136] Oh, good point.

[137] No, throw that right in my face.

[138] I accept that.

[139] You're 100 % right.

[140] But I hate sorry, not sorry because you don't have to be sorry at all.

[141] Yeah.

[142] I saw that crop up in like girls talking where it's like, look, sorry, that's not sorry.

[143] Where it's like, no, no, no. What you start out as look, motherfucker.

[144] and then you say your actual opinion.

[145] Sorry, I'm yelling.

[146] Don't apologize.

[147] I'm so tired.

[148] Oh, you're right.

[149] I'm so tired.

[150] Here's how you pronounce it.

[151] A syndrome.

[152] Galine Barrae syndrome.

[153] Well, now I'm having a fucking seizure.

[154] Jesus.

[155] Breis syndrome.

[156] What the fuck?

[157] I got it.

[158] There's like, that's a sound clip from some guys on the radio or something in England who also didn't know how to say, Guillain Barre syndrome.

[159] Barre?

[160] Well, so there.

[161] Well, consider me wrong again.

[162] Consider me always wrong.

[163] Correction corner.

[164] Correction corner.

[165] Yeah, yeah, me. That's it for me. I, let's see, what do I want to say?

[166] I don't know.

[167] People are getting their shirts now and like, okay, this is so, I'm so mad that I don't have it ready to plug this week, but it will be by next week.

[168] We had, I'm going to just tease it.

[169] We had a good friend help us create a new design.

[170] for shirts you guys all your favorite quotes yeah and they're fucking tits you're gonna love them they're very cool looking they're very wearable yeah and there's some of the quotes that you love uh and so we have the official t -shirts coming out the official my favorite murder podcast uh you're in a cult call your dad t -shirt don't tell don't tell oh well that's a okay sorry that's a tease that was more than teeth well that was one of them that's just one of several one of several Get ready.

[171] And so shirts are going to be, like, happening.

[172] Maybe totes are going to be happening.

[173] Fucking, maybe let's do some, I don't know, let's do some mugs.

[174] Why not do mugs?

[175] Do you want to drink coffee out of murder cups?

[176] Our friend is a very talented designer cat.

[177] So it's going to be an appealing looking thing that also is the thing you like.

[178] Right.

[179] So those are coming.

[180] Sorry to tease the shit out of it, but that is that.

[181] What else?

[182] How are you?

[183] What are you going to say anything?

[184] I wish you guys could see Georgia right now.

[185] her legs are so far up in the air she is the most casual person I've ever seen in my life this is the loungiest you're fucking lounging in your home lounging so hard right as is your American right Stephen can you take a photo of me lounge not right now I'll put it on the vent I'll fix my sweat I'm also sweating that's cool sweat lounging and I got a Mimi Cat on the cool I took one photo just happened check it on the well let's plug our places Instagram dot com slash my favorite murder oh the face that's like a picture finally a picture of myself I'm not mad about look at those cheekbones Karen I I wasn't even really sucking them in you parts a bit off look at you look so hilarious that's my entire butt also that's gonna end up on that's gonna end up on wiki feet I promise you can I have a wiki feet page I mean look at my feet they're pretty fucking cute let's be honest you deserve it thank you yeah I'm gonna own it you know why because I don't have a Wikipedia page so I'm okay with wiki bait so you're gonna be fine here we go um you gotta break in Somehow.

[186] Do you know what else pisses me off?

[187] I'm not going to tell you, never mind.

[188] I am pissed off that my high school, they have like a list of like alumni who have done things.

[189] Not on there.

[190] Where's the list?

[191] On Wikipedia.

[192] Oh, please, will someone who's good at computers go on to Wikipedia and edit that page?

[193] What's the high school name?

[194] Woodbridge High School.

[195] In Irvine, California.

[196] Woodbridge High School, Irvine, California.

[197] Also, let everyone know I hate, I hated them all.

[198] I hate them all.

[199] No, don't put that part in.

[200] now this is your high school wiki feet page um okay the fan page okay here's this is hilarious so i tried to start the fan page we can't use the word murder in the title because facebook is like we recognize a word that you can't fucking you can't say because you're not you're a grown adult and you know what i mean fine so it's mfm podcast is the name of the facebook fan page cool so you kind of have to be an insider to know that it's the just the initials like winky wink and then i think that means also that maybe your friend your family and friends won't know that you're part of a murder group it'll just say mfm yeah i think that's what people are worried about until they see the logo again grown adults yeah i mean that's the other thing too of all the people we know that that say i'm not weird i'm not alone you know all that excitement well now it's turning into because then the second wave seemed to be People at work keep catching me listening to this and giving me dirty looks or seeing the logo and giving me a weird look.

[201] Yeah.

[202] But we just got a tweet from somebody who sent a picture that said, was it on the Facebook page or Twitter?

[203] I can't remember.

[204] Were they hang up a sign on the door that says murder time do not come in and then listen to the podcast at work altogether?

[205] Oh, like the whole crew does?

[206] Yeah.

[207] Well, I mean, she didn't, she was very vague about all.

[208] of it.

[209] I should find the name.

[210] But if you guys hear this, will you please send us at least slightly more information so we can give you a legit shout out?

[211] Because it made me laugh so hard when I saw that person.

[212] Or send us a photo of all of you listening.

[213] Secretly listening.

[214] Also, I love that I've been noticing in the Facebook page, like, I'll like look at some comments sometimes late at night and it'll be like, comment, comment, comment.

[215] And then someone will comment to someone who already commented and it'll be like, Alex, you're in this group.

[216] You're in a Murt Arena?

[217] No. Like, oh my God, Melissa, I can't believe it.

[218] We're like, we're totally good.

[219] Like, people keep recognizing their friends in there and it's like hilarious.

[220] I love it.

[221] Well, the same thing happened to me with my sister's best friend, Adrienne, who I talked about, I think, on the very first episode.

[222] She had a home town.

[223] Yeah, well, she loved Richard Ramirez.

[224] So when I said, who should I talk about, it came out of her mouth so fast that that's when I discovered she was a murdery now before the podcast had even started.

[225] And it was shocking because I've known her since she was 12 years old and I was 10 years old.

[226] And never knew.

[227] that that was an interest of hers.

[228] So she recently started listening.

[229] She went backwards through it and has been texting me constantly of like, dude, I love this podcast so much.

[230] And Adrienne and my sister were two of the most evil teenage girls.

[231] Anyone could have had the nightmare to grow up with.

[232] They were sullen and sulky.

[233] And the only way they would let me hang out with them when she spent the night on the weekend, she would come and stay the whole weekend with us.

[234] but they would lock the door and leave me out of the room and what I had to do to get in the room with Laura and Adrian was make up a lip sync dance routine to a Pat Benatar song.

[235] Well, we're not moving forward right now on this podcast until you fucking do that.

[236] Let's relive your nightmares.

[237] We just basically play a Pat Benetter song.

[238] But yeah, that's all it would be and then you'd be like, right now she's lifting her legs straight above her head.

[239] Oh my God, that's so big sisters, Well, and also just, if you're younger and you hate your sister, just know that's going to change around when you're like 22 and then you're going to be besties for the rest of your life.

[240] Because you're going to become the cool one.

[241] Exactly.

[242] My sister knows what's up.

[243] Well, and also I have my sister and Adriene to thank for like all of my training because that's pretty much the most professional training I got and then.

[244] Oh yeah.

[245] On stage.

[246] It was pretty exciting.

[247] I think my I'm scared.

[248] I think my dad might start listening to this.

[249] Because what?

[250] I thought he was already.

[251] I don't think so because he was like I was hanging out with him over the weekend and he he was like, tell me about your thing.

[252] Like, they don't understand and it's the thing.

[253] And I was like, oh, it's this thing.

[254] And I'm like, well, he doesn't know how to download a podcast.

[255] And then he looked at his phone and he, like, showed me the podcast.

[256] And he was like, uh -huh.

[257] Yeah, no. It's okay.

[258] He's cool.

[259] He doesn't care about the F word, does he?

[260] Oh, my God, no. My God, you can't have me as a child and care about the F word.

[261] I care about a lot of things, honestly.

[262] I think he's happy that I'm alive, survived my own.

[263] I am too.

[264] I mean, that I'm alive or that you're alive?

[265] Both of us.

[266] Me too.

[267] It was supposed to be a compliment.

[268] Oh, thank you.

[269] All right, you guys, we're going to get into our favorite murders.

[270] Yes.

[271] We're going to take a quick pee break.

[272] We'll be right back for my favorite murder.

[273] Skippers, this is your time to come on home.

[274] Come on home.

[275] Be right back.

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[295] Goodbye.

[296] Hey, this is exciting.

[297] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[298] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[299] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[300] Who killed Saz?

[301] And were they really after Charles?

[302] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[303] This season, murder hits close to home.

[304] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[305] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[306] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries, And twists arise.

[307] Who knows what'll happen once the cameras start to roll?

[308] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfanakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Devine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[309] Only murders in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[310] Bye.

[311] Hey, we're back, Skippers.

[312] Hi.

[313] Hi, friends.

[314] All right.

[315] My favorite murder this week is Salis.

[316] Kintinia Perez.

[317] And the reason I'm doing it is that it is audio engineer Stevie Ray Morris of the podcast's favorite murder, tribute.

[318] I, yeah, no, I...

[319] You've been sending me shit.

[320] Yeah, I was like sending me text and I was like, oh my God, I'm watching it.

[321] And then Aaron Brockovich did like a true crime.

[322] It's crazy.

[323] I watched it.

[324] Well, I grew up listening to Selena because I'm half my family.

[325] I'm half Mexican and so that music was always playing.

[326] And I remember like even listening to the music, just feeling really sad for something.

[327] Were you little when she died so you didn't know yet?

[328] I mean, I knew it affected because I would still go over to my family's houses and stuff.

[329] She was huge.

[330] She was like Madonna times 20.

[331] Well, I'll tell you all about it.

[332] Oh, oh.

[333] Did I say even continue?

[334] Continia.

[335] Oh, I don't.

[336] I mean, I'm not Mexican, but I don't know how to speak Spanish.

[337] Okay, I wrote it down like I was very.

[338] She didn't know to speak Spanish either.

[339] I know.

[340] I know.

[341] Okay.

[342] All right.

[343] All right.

[344] Both of you, shut up.

[345] Oops.

[346] Oh, Karen.

[347] Your doorbell phone is ringing.

[348] Selina Quintinia Perez was born on April 16, 1971 in Lake Jackson, Texas, and was called the Mexican -American Madonna.

[349] Oh, I must have known that.

[350] I've watched the movie with J -Lo.

[351] I haven't seen it.

[352] Wonderful place of art. Gosh, she's beautiful.

[353] They were both beautiful.

[354] And she was poised to become a crossover success when her death turned her into a legend.

[355] And Selena's father discovered Selena's quote, perfect timing and pitch and helped his kids form a band.

[356] And she was like nine years old when I started performing.

[357] Wow.

[358] The band, once her parents lost their family restaurant, the band became the family's main source of income.

[359] And they were in poverty.

[360] And this career, Selena's career, just took them out of poverty.

[361] Because they were evicted from their home during the Texas oil bust of 1992.

[362] And they moved to Corpus Christi, Texas, which sounds very hot, doesn't it?

[363] Yeah, I think it's super southern in Texas, like down on the Gulf, maybe.

[364] Right.

[365] That's a total guess.

[366] I know.

[367] I was like, right.

[368] Do I want to?

[369] Well, my cousin Cheryl lived in Corpus Christi when I was like in junior high.

[370] But why do I ever say anything?

[371] Is that a big military town?

[372] I think it is.

[373] Yes.

[374] In fact, it has 25.

[375] Let's just talk about Corpus Christi for the rest of this.

[376] So then the family band began recording music professionally.

[377] And in 1984, when Selena was, I think, 13, the band released its first LP, Selina Los Dinos.

[378] Fuck, I hope we don't get.

[379] That's Selena and Fred Flintstone's dog.

[380] Dinosaur.

[381] Hate mail can be sent to Karen Kilgaroff.

[382] I'm just translating.

[383] Karen Kilgall's apartment or house, if the address is.

[384] All right.

[385] So, yes, Stephen, you are correct.

[386] Selena was a third generation Texan of Mexican descent so she didn't grow up speaking Spanish so she didn't know any but she learned all her songs phonetically and when her popularity grew she had to learn it and she did it very quickly just like rock set like what?

[387] The band Rock set What were they German?

[388] Yeah or Swedish or something Oh they had to learn English Well no they just sang phonetically They didn't know what they were saying That's funny Must have been love But it's all the man That she had no clue what that songs.

[389] Wow.

[390] But it's so powerful.

[391] But it sounds so powerful.

[392] The ignorance makes it powerful.

[393] That's what it is.

[394] Like, because that's what love does too.

[395] Makes you stupid idiot.

[396] That's right.

[397] Um, okay.

[398] Groom popularity in the year 1987, she won the Tanejo.

[399] Oh, God.

[400] Tihano.

[401] Tihano Music Award.

[402] I like, I was watching videos to get this correctly, and I'm just screwing it all that.

[403] Tihano Music Award for Female Vocalist of the Year.

[404] year.

[405] And then she landed her first major record deal with Capitol, uh, Latin in 1989.

[406] So she performed several times at the Houston Astrodome to sold out crowds of more than 60 ,000 people.

[407] And after her death time described her as, uh, the embodiment of young, smart, hip Mexican -American youth, um, from a tight -knit family and a down -to -earth personality, a Madonna without the controversy.

[408] Essentially, she was huge.

[409] Mexican star in her community and was poised to become a mainstream obsessed and that community was obsessed with her and proud of her and felt like you know she was one of their own yeah and she was a big fucking deal yeah and she seemed like a very sweet person everyone in her band was her family except the guy the guitarist they hired who she ended up marrying oh like they were they seemed like good people there it's like a jackson five situation totally super talented young kid yeah but not creepy and her dad was the manager um so they were very tightness more like a partridge family but there we go but actually we're like a manson family fuck um cut that out don't cut that out not sorry all right where am i cut to mid 1991 yolanda saldivar she was so you see all these photos of her and videos of her she was when she got arrested she was 35 years old what that's quote unquote my age she's 35 she looks like a fucking grandma yeah okay so 91 yolanda salivar was around 30 and she was an in -home nurse for patients with terminal cancer and just a fan of tahano music just a fucking random woman she had a history of stealing money from her employers as well as trying to become intertwined with the lives of other performers and she attended one of salinas concerts and became a fucking psychotic fan.

[410] With the intent of starting Selena's fan club, she started obsessively calling Selena's father, leaving almost 15 messages until he gave her permission in June of 1991 to be the president of the fan club, which sounds like, okay, you know what?

[411] Take this, run with it to your thing, right?

[412] Right, because you're harassing us.

[413] Yeah.

[414] So, I mean, it's the thing that they didn't know back then that people know nowadays, which is like, don't engage.

[415] Right.

[416] Yeah.

[417] 15 calls to anybody at any time is too many.

[418] Yeah.

[419] I don't care if like you have a flat tire and you're calling triple eight.

[420] It's too many calls.

[421] And she's being consistent and she wants to run this thing and make us more money.

[422] And it's a thing that we haven't started and maybe it'll help her with her.

[423] Like this is what I'm thinking was there.

[424] You know what I mean?

[425] Like, I'm just saying that's three calls.

[426] Totally.

[427] In a day?

[428] Totally.

[429] Totally.

[430] Totally.

[431] Also like you don't need to have contact with her.

[432] No after that.

[433] Okay.

[434] So as president of the fam club, she was responsible for membership benefits.

[435] collecting money and promoting Selena, all that kind of thing.

[436] And she actually didn't meet Selena until December 91, but they became close friends, and Yolanda became a trusted, trusted by her whole family.

[437] In 94, she became Selena's assistant and quit her job as a nurse.

[438] Oh, I didn't know that.

[439] Yeah.

[440] I did not know that.

[441] I thought she was just the fan club.

[442] No. She became her assistant.

[443] She quit her job as a nurse, even though she was making more money as a nurse than she was doing this.

[444] She was just so obsessed and had posters all over her house and people come over.

[445] She would just make them watch Selena videos, talked about nothing else, and was just like kind of crazy about Selena.

[446] Wow.

[447] Yeah.

[448] I was kind of that way about kids in the hall for a little while, but it was a dark period of my life.

[449] Yeah, I was just I had flunked out to college and I was just weirdly obsessed.

[450] It was when they were running them on Comedy Central and I just, it was the only thing that made me happy.

[451] Oh.

[452] That would laugh was the previous that was i've never heard that laugh before i just realized i mean every we all have the potential everybody likes a thing sure like crazy and wants them like has this feeling of like ownership and like yeah and like no one understands it the way i understand it it's almost made for me kind of a thing yes but have you met them and told it that see my thing is that and maybe it's just from working in tv i i really don't like celebrities like there's nothing more disappointing and i think most people know it these days from reality TV and stuff.

[453] Celebrities are very disappointing in real life.

[454] Except for us.

[455] I'm just kidding.

[456] I'm not calling us.

[457] Yeah, no, they're just, I mean, the most they'll be is slightly pleasant.

[458] But for the most part, you will have regretted trying to be like, hey, can I get a picture?

[459] I'm a big fan or whatever.

[460] You're not going to get the thing.

[461] I love you in, and it's some obscure thing.

[462] They don't care.

[463] They don't care.

[464] It's super weird.

[465] It's like, you know, it ruins it almost.

[466] So, yeah.

[467] Good luck, everybody.

[468] Good luck in life with your fucking cute little fantasies.

[469] Whoa.

[470] All right.

[471] Well, then, so in 94, Selena starts opening fashion boutiques.

[472] She has two of them opening up.

[473] It's called Selena, et cetera.

[474] I didn't know that.

[475] Yeah, I didn't either because she has this crazy style.

[476] It's very 90s and very on point, like, you know, almost Madonna -e, but a little more hip.

[477] It's cute.

[478] It's those huge, well, from what I remember in the movie, there's like a lot of ruffles and a lot of like, you know, shimmery, velvety pants and stuff like that.

[479] It's whole, yeah, it's totally pretty fucking sweet.

[480] So, so she, she's opening these clothing, these fashion stores and asks Sal DeVar to become the manager of the boutiques.

[481] So, Sal DeVar, because of doing this, is authorized to write and cash checks, had access to the bank accounts associated with the fan club, the boutiques and selina gave her an american express card for the purpose of conducting company business so she put her stocker she made her stocker the ceo of the company doesn't know that she's the stocker though oh right oh yeah she has no idea that she's the stocker she just thinks she's a good friend of hers that's like willing to do all this hard work yeah that's like you know selina's in this bubble of becoming famous and touring and all these things and this person is becoming a trusted confidant and is a huge fan.

[482] And clearly as an intelligent woman, if she's a nurse and all that other, yeah.

[483] Totally.

[484] Yeah.

[485] And everyone said she was very manipulative and good at, you know, being manipulative.

[486] Yeah.

[487] 15 calls.

[488] That's all I have to say.

[489] 15 calls.

[490] It worked somehow.

[491] So within a year, Sal Devar had mismanaged the boutiques and they were failing.

[492] And then upon investigation, the family finds out that Sal Devar, had embezzled more than, I saw $60 ,000, but I also saw $100 ,000.

[493] Wow.

[494] And forged checks from both the fan club and the boutiques, but Selena refused to believe it.

[495] She was like, no way, that's my friend.

[496] Like even her father who was a manager and her husband and brother were like, dude, they were like, dude.

[497] Probably not like that.

[498] But eventually, Selena kind of sees some shit going on and believes it.

[499] And the family fires her, tells her not to come near Selena.

[500] but Selena still wanted to stay friends.

[501] She was like you don't work for me anymore but let's stay friends.

[502] So at this time Saldivar purchases a snub -nosed 38 caliber revolver and here's what I think is the fucked up thing is a 38 caliber hollow point bullets then the bullets were designed to cause more extensive injuries than normal bullets which like throws out later we'll talk about it.

[503] So on March 31st in 1995 she convinces Selena to meet her alone in a days -in motel room promising to restore to return financial documents that she had stolen and telling Selena that she had to come alone and that she had, that Yolanda had been raped and needed someone to talk to.

[504] Oh no. And this, she has to make up this lie because three other times in the past like couple weeks Yolanda had tried to get her alone and it had been foiled every time and her husband had come or they had met in a parking a lot or something like that.

[505] So Yolanda was trying to get her alone.

[506] Yeah.

[507] So in the hotel room, they kind of, they kind of fight over the documents, and as they're doing that, the gun comes out, and Selina turns to run and out the door, and Saldivar shoots her in the back as she's running out, severing an artery leading from her heart, and it came out the front of her chest on the other side.

[508] kind of like a shoulder shot.

[509] Uh -huh.

[510] And Selena's running towards the motel lobby as she's bleeding.

[511] And Saldivar comes, there was a witness said that she, she chased after her, pointing the gun at her and calling her a bitch.

[512] Selina ran 130 yards to the motel's lobby and collapsed on the floor.

[513] And meanwhile, Yolanda's now trying to escape in her car.

[514] And it was theorized that she's heading to the recording studio where the rest of Selena's family.

[515] is to kill them too.

[516] That's what they thought.

[517] But a police officer who was around the corner responded, stopped her.

[518] And instead of getting out of the car, she pulls the car into a parking space.

[519] And gets kind of blocked in in this parking spot.

[520] So she's in her car, in a parking spot, with a gun, won't come out.

[521] In the meantime, the motel staff is trying to help Selena.

[522] An ambulance comes in less than two minutes, but Selena's, pronounced dead at 105 from loss of blood and cardiac arrest.

[523] Her last words were, this fucking makes me want to cry.

[524] Her last words, Yolanda Salavar Room 158.

[525] Those were her last words, like, not tell my family.

[526] I love them.

[527] She was just trying to make sure they knew who did it.

[528] Yeah, which makes me so sad.

[529] It's just like the last words out of your mouth are the about your killer's name.

[530] Well, yeah.

[531] I mean, I know, like, I know, like you should get them out, but then it's just I wish it could then be like something sweeter.

[532] She was only 23 years old.

[533] Oh, no. I know, baby.

[534] Well, an autopsy's performed.

[535] And this is what I thought when I heard about her running after getting shot.

[536] She died of heart failure.

[537] Wait, though.

[538] We realized, because Alina's heart, fueled by adrenaline, and I think from running, pumped all the blood out of her circulatory system.

[539] So I feel like if she hadn't run, she either might have gotten shot again by Yolanda, but or the blood might not have it's those hollow point bullets yeah I mean I don't think you can get shot and it comes out the other side and you can survive that right no because isn't that part of it is like they explode inside you and so when they come out they just instead of a bullet hole size coming out it like rips out I mean those things are evil yeah that's the thing is so event so Sal Devar was trying to say I was trying to say that it was an accident that she was going to kill herself but it's like well why did you buy those bullets then.

[540] Yeah.

[541] Like you clearly had a motive.

[542] So meanwhile, there's a nine -hour standoff with Yolanda in which she is in her car with the gun to her head hysterically on the phone with the hostage or with the negotiator trying to say that she didn't mean to kill her.

[543] She was an accident.

[544] She was trying to kill herself.

[545] And all these other excuses.

[546] But ultimately, let's see.

[547] She gave herself in and she got arrested.

[548] she's tried for first -degree murder and claimed that the gun quote accidentally went off and all these other excuses but ultimately it didn't work and the jurors deliberated for less than three hours and on October 23rd, 1995 they found Saldivar guilty she's sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole in 30 years which is going to be March 2025 but everyone's like she is so incredibly hated in Texas she will be murdered and she has to be in solitary confinement because of that because the rest of the...

[549] Everybody wants to kill her in jail.

[550] Yeah, everyone in jail, who was huge Selena fans her whole life, wants to fucking murder her.

[551] Yeah, that's, I mean, yeah.

[552] Yeah.

[553] So she spends every day, 23 hours a day alone in a nine by six foot cell.

[554] Let's see.

[555] So the case has been described as the most important trial for the Latino population, and it was compared to the O .J. Simpson murder trial.

[556] It was one of the most publicly followed trials in the history of Texas.

[557] Wow.

[558] Her posthumous 1995 crossover album, Dreaming of You, debuted at number one on the billboard charts and became triple platinum.

[559] That just gave me chills.

[560] I know.

[561] She was the first Hispanic artist to have a predominantly Spanish language album debut and peak at number one.

[562] That's so fucking cool.

[563] I know.

[564] I mean, terribly sad, but also, because I remember that.

[565] being in the movie where it's like it's a tragedy anyway but this was someone who was poised on the verge of crossing over at a time before that was like before J -Lo before any of those things were happening.

[566] We remember like in the late you and I and people who I don't remember in the late 90s this huge this huge Latin pop explosion.

[567] That was like the first time it became mainstream so Selena's doing this in the early 90s yeah so she's for rickie martin right for like any of that where it was kind of like the sexy you know um shikira any that wasn't that wasn't on um on american pop radio yeah like that was not on there at all so it she was kind of a trailblazer and seemed like a good person and this fucking psycho bitch fan like i didn't i didn't know i was pictured it differently and it's just like so fucking tragic well it's also fascinating that thing of like when you can it's like when you were saying you know she's just this random person but you do trace those things of like a person who embezzles a person who um like those kind of smaller crimes it that's how every story goes like this where it's like they always have a background where they're trying to get anything they want at any price.

[568] And they have like gray area of morals too.

[569] Yeah.

[570] Like I don't like yeah someone if I knew a friend embezzled money I would not trust that person.

[571] No you're not allowed to steal money from other people.

[572] No. No you don't get to have to have to abide by certain rules in life and not screw other people over.

[573] And you don't want to be that person like I remember there was a cafe I was working at when I was a teen and I had it my in my, my mind, I decided that I could take a $20 bill when I was closing at night so I could buy beer because they only paid me minimum wage.

[574] I had this whole rationalization.

[575] And I did it two times was wracked with guilt about it.

[576] And then the manager told me, did I tell you this?

[577] The manager, who was also my friend like someone I hung out with, he goes, I don't, something's going on.

[578] We're always short.

[579] I think it might be the janitor.

[580] And then I was like, oh my, because that's what happens.

[581] You steal, somebody else could go down for it.

[582] Or like, I mean, the idea that he even would suspect this person who has nothing to do with it, then I thought maybe he told me that because he knew it was me, because it was always me. He did.

[583] Or was me the two times, and that was just a manipulation, which God bless you, genius move.

[584] Yeah.

[585] But also like, and then I, like, the next week I was talking to my dad on the phone and we were talking about something else.

[586] And then he goes, Karen, there's some people out there that just can't keep their hands out of the till.

[587] And then I almost threw up because I was like, I almost wanted to go, that's me. My dad is, my sweet dad is talking about bad people.

[588] And I'm the bad person.

[589] You don't want to be the bad person.

[590] No. You don't need whatever the thing is you think you need.

[591] You don't.

[592] Get your own.

[593] Get your own.

[594] Get your own.

[595] You can.

[596] Yeah.

[597] Keep your hands out of the kitty.

[598] That's super weird that I talked about that picture.

[599] It is so weird.

[600] Sorry about that.

[601] I didn't know.

[602] No, I don't care.

[603] It's super.

[604] Like we've never talked about her before.

[605] No. Not at all.

[606] That is super weird.

[607] um did i talk about your murder yet um what's interesting it no no all right karen but you've lived near it i'm sure you've heard uh about it okay because um it's the zanku chicken murders and there's one uh on my way from work driving here there's one here i drove by one yeah let's tell everyone let's give everyone directions from Zankajekin to my apartment.

[608] That's why I got real vague.

[609] Yeah.

[610] But this, so my mouth is watering.

[611] Zanku chicken is so good.

[612] Zanko chicken is legendary in Los Angeles.

[613] If you've ever visited here, if you have friends that live here and you're not wealthy, you've probably eaten here.

[614] Because Zanku chicken is the best food that you can get for a decent price.

[615] And everybody knows it.

[616] and everybody talks about it.

[617] It's up there with Roscoe's chicken and waffles in that way of like, if you're here, you have to go try this.

[618] Definitely.

[619] Pinks hot dogs, that kind of thing?

[620] Pink's shit.

[621] It's so shit.

[622] But it's fun to stand in line drunk.

[623] So go there.

[624] Not going to lie.

[625] I have fucking chomped some chili dogs my day.

[626] But I've, for 20 years, I've driven by pinks and watched people standing in line at three in the morning to get those hot dogs.

[627] So the first time I went there was like, this is going to be crazy.

[628] And it was just hot dogs.

[629] It's just hot dogs.

[630] but yeah, they're gross in a good way.

[631] Yeah, it's like greasy, drunken food.

[632] Totally, totally.

[633] Okay, so I got most of my information from this awesome article from Los Angeles magazine that was written by a guy named Mark Arak's, and it's from April 1st, 2008.

[634] There's way more information than I could even entertain, so if this interests you at all, look at that, you can Google it, and it'll come up right away.

[635] And I remember reading this probably five years ago.

[636] because when this murder happened everybody knew about it all of a sudden and everybody was crazy freaked out about it.

[637] It'd be like your local mom and pop cafe like some terrible thing happening there.

[638] But the story behind it is kind of fascinating because it's like, so in Los Angeles there's a city that's right behind the hill that says Hollywood on it.

[639] Right behind that city is both Burbank and Glendale.

[640] I mean right behind that mountain is Burbank and Glendale.

[641] And Glendale has the single largest population of Armenian people that isn't Armenia in the world.

[642] Wow.

[643] It's huge.

[644] And Armenians came there after there was a Turkish genocide, which we see parades about and flags about.

[645] And it's like, it's weird because I never heard of anybody being Armenian until I moved to L .A. And now I feel like I know a ton of stuff about the Armenian culture simply because, like, I live in Burbank.

[646] I live close to Glendale.

[647] Yeah.

[648] So anyway, this is, this restaurant, Zanku Chicken, was started originally in Beirut, Lebanon by a man named Vart.

[649] And the pronunciation on this is going to, if you're Armenian, or if you're just not a valley girl, it's going to offend you.

[650] Vardkis Iskandarian, and his family started the first Zanku chicken in Beirut in Beirut in 1962.

[651] Oh, wow.

[652] And then they brought it over here in 1983.

[653] And it was, the chain actually was opened by Mardiros, who is the son.

[654] And his parents were not interested in having a restaurant in America.

[655] They wanted to do dry cleaning, maybe go into the suit business.

[656] they looked into all these other businesses that were more kind of reliable than a restaurant.

[657] But Mardiros believed that this, he looked around and he saw how few Middle Eastern restaurants there were with such huge populations of people that would appreciate the food.

[658] There was almost no food to feed them that was like from their home.

[659] Totally.

[660] So they opened their first restaurant at the corner of sunset in Normandy in East East L .A. Hala!

[661] Hey!

[662] And the L .A. Times said it's the best roast chicken in town at any price, which is kind of really saying something for the all those shishi restaurants they have here.

[663] The Zaget Guide would say that Zanku was one of America's best meal deals.

[664] Oh my goodness.

[665] America, not just L .A., which is cool.

[666] Jonathan Gold, who's a very famous food writer, he adores Zanku chicken reviewed it and said the chicken was superb and nothing in heaven or on earth compares with the garlic paste.

[667] Oh my God, that garlic paste.

[668] The garlic paste is what everybody talks about and it was invented by Marduros's grandmother.

[669] Shut up.

[670] And his mother made it all by hand.

[671] So it was a secret recipe.

[672] People still don't know what's in it.

[673] It's this white paste that you get with your chicken and your rice and your hummus and your peter.

[674] This little tub, it's like a side, on the side.

[675] And it is tangy and pungent and garlicky, but there's something else going on.

[676] It's kind of like butter.

[677] Like you can't figure out, all you want to do is eat it and put everything that you eat into it.

[678] And then for the next day, you're belching garlic.

[679] Yes.

[680] It's like, you're filled with garlic.

[681] It's the best.

[682] It's quite an experience.

[683] Yes.

[684] So that was kind of their secret weapon.

[685] Aside from the fact that they figured out that other rotisserie chicken places, they realized you have to move the chicken itself and you have to play with the temperatures.

[686] You can't just keep it on one temperature all the time.

[687] So they basically kind of went in there and tried to figure out how to give people who wanted to eat authentic Middle Eastern food the best version of that food and not just go like here, here's whatever.

[688] Which is amazing.

[689] Apparently one time on Curb Your Enthusiasm, Larry David referred to it as chicken so good it could end the rift in the Middle East.

[690] so like everybody in L .A. knows about this food.

[691] It was also in a Beck song.

[692] That's right.

[693] That's right.

[694] There's a list on Wikipedia of all the popular culture things.

[695] There was somebody on Buffy the Vampire Slayer also like to eat there.

[696] So they started as this hole in the wall chicken place.

[697] And after I would think like over two years, they were making $2 million a year.

[698] Holy shit.

[699] And half of that was pure profit.

[700] Oh, my God.

[701] So they were doing, obviously, great.

[702] So there were rumors.

[703] Oh, so in this article, this is one of my favorite things.

[704] In this article, this guy, Mark, the writer, talks, starts out by talking about the Armenian culture and everything.

[705] And he says there's a saying that little old Armenian ladies say in Armenian, which is, let's sit crooked and talk straight, which totally made me think of us.

[706] Oh my God.

[707] Isn't that the best?

[708] Let's sit crooked and talk straight.

[709] That's basically let's gossip.

[710] That is us to achieve and I'm fucking in love with it.

[711] It's the best.

[712] So of course in the Armenian, I keep saying culture, but what I mean is community.

[713] They, this family rose to prominence obviously because they're just all of a sudden started making this tons of money and their food was crazy popular.

[714] But they also were huge.

[715] philanthropists and gave so much back so they were kind of famous within that community because they were a huge part of it yeah um so there was gossip it was never confirmed that pepsi was offering the company 30 million dollars for the chain and the trademark holy shit um and this was when it was kind of like peaking in in its popularity um and at that same time even though uh medeiros's uh parents did not want to expand they I just wanted to keep that one.

[716] The first shop, he was like, he kept fighting to expand.

[717] He's like, we have to do it, we have to do it.

[718] So finally, they agreed to split.

[719] And what they agreed to do was, I think it's Mardieros.

[720] Sorry if I'm, I know I'm pronouncing his name wrong.

[721] But they agreed that he would take the concept and he would build the chain and any stores that he opened doing that, whether they failed or succeeded, would be on him.

[722] Okay.

[723] because that's basically what the family was afraid.

[724] Don't, let's not lose all our money.

[725] We got a good thing.

[726] Let's just keep this good thing going.

[727] And in return, he would sign over his stake of the original in Hollywood to his parents and his two sisters.

[728] But they weren't splitting.

[729] It wasn't, they weren't, you know, it was, they were still completely together as a family.

[730] The garlic paste was still made by his mother at all the Xancus, which I just can't get over.

[731] This woman who was probably at.

[732] the time in her I would say probably late 60s early 70s and they say in this article they talk about how this mother I think her name is Margaret spelled with RIT she worked she got up at 730 every morning and went into work and worked till 7 o 'clock at night and when she was done cooking for the restaurant she would start to cook for the people that worked at the restaurant oh my goodness cook people their home you know food from home that they liked.

[733] Take a break, honey.

[734] No, she couldn't do it.

[735] She was, like, obsessive, which I love, oops, sorry.

[736] That's, uh, that reminds me of my grandma.

[737] Like, my grandmother's index fingers were both bent at almost, like, right angles because of how much she cleaned.

[738] Oh, my God.

[739] She was, she came over here from Ireland when she was 17, and she was a maid for most of her life until she met my grandfather.

[740] So it's like, those old country people are just, like, we're here to earn it.

[741] Yeah.

[742] You're able to, you're able to do it.

[743] Yeah, that's right.

[744] And also, if you start a business, you've got to put, give it your all so you make it into something.

[745] And they really did.

[746] They were this amazing family success story.

[747] And Mardiros, well, he would constantly say to the whole family, success means nothing if we don't stay as one.

[748] Gride must never rear its head.

[749] There's plenty for all of us.

[750] And so he had a sister and she had two sons and they loved all of each other.

[751] They were cousins, but they were, they felt more.

[752] more like they were each other's, you know, he had four boys, she had two sons, they were all you know, very, very close.

[753] In fact, his wife was quoted as saying, before we married, he told me, I'm going to live with my parents my whole life, I will never leave my mother.

[754] She was queen of the house, not me. Next to God, it was his mother.

[755] Holy shit.

[756] So just to give you a sense of that.

[757] So, Madero's is diagnosed, sorry, I don't have the date on this, but I believe it was in like 2001, I think, or so, he gets diagnosed with inoperable bladder and brain cancer.

[758] Holy shit.

[759] So he basically felt like he knew something was wrong, he had pains in places, but he didn't go the doctor he avoided it and so by the time he went in it had spread um so he holds a family meeting and he tells his mother and his sister and his wife that he's dying and that when he dies he wants the zanku business to go to his four sons oh my goodness now the problem there is that his four sons were at the time and had been for a couple years fuck -ups and in ways where the oldest son had been caught trying to cheat on a law school entrance exam.

[760] And so it had been a top student at, I think it was at Woodbridge University.

[761] And so he basically got kicked out and was like barred from ever taking the test because he was going to cheat.

[762] Wow.

[763] So after that, he became an evangelical Christian.

[764] He was like one of those guys that stands on the street.

[765] Holy shit.

[766] Like with a bullhorn.

[767] Yeah.

[768] The second oldest son was tried for attempted murder.

[769] when the pimp of the sex worker that he had just visited stole money from him.

[770] And he ended up chasing him up the freeway and shooting at his car.

[771] And he ended up getting tried for attempted murder.

[772] Wow.

[773] And it turned out to be a mistrial.

[774] So he never had to go to jail.

[775] But of course, that mark.

[776] And of course you know if this is the richest family in the community and shit like this It starts popping off.

[777] Everyone's talking about it.

[778] Then the two younger were basically just on drugs.

[779] But when I was reading this article, it sounded so harsh.

[780] But it's like, that's that thing of like, I feel like you can't get rich, quick like that and have things just go great.

[781] Because once you start getting all the money you want and you can buy all the things you want, then you start wanting the things you can't have.

[782] And it gets a little nuts like that.

[783] Oh, I get it.

[784] I'm going to look at my riches.

[785] I just please watch your behavior, is what I'm saying.

[786] Okay, so when he makes this announcement, the room goes silent because he's saying they're the ones that should get it.

[787] And his sister and his mother are both just staring at him.

[788] And let's see, it says, his mother sat stone -faced.

[789] She didn't ask what kind of cancer he had or the prognosis that the doctors gave him.

[790] instead she blurted out in armenian your sons the shadow they cast is not yours and then she got up and she walked up the stairs and shut the door holy shit now she lived with him as he had said him and his wife rita um she wouldn't speak to him so she would get up at 730 every morning go to work come home they'd be standing in the kitchen she'd get a glass of water and go upstairs and shut the door.

[791] Your son's dying.

[792] Yes.

[793] And as he was getting chemotherapy, as he was losing his hair, he ended up losing 60 pounds.

[794] Oh my God.

[795] He was dying of cancer, silent treatment.

[796] That's so sad.

[797] It's really fucked up.

[798] And it's very old country.

[799] I mean, it's how some people are.

[800] It's hard.

[801] And obviously, I think knowing, at least based on what the wife says, the relationship that he had with his mother, this was breaking him.

[802] It was, it was terrible.

[803] Sure.

[804] So after a year of the silent treatment he went into his mother's room and he took down, there was a picture of him as a child in Beirut with her when he was like four years old that she had kept up on her dresser.

[805] He took it down, he took out the picture, he ripped it in half, he burned the half with her on it and he crumbled up the half with him on it and threw it away and then put the frame back up.

[806] and two days later their house catches on fire no yeah yeah and their house him and his wife almost get caught in the house they have to get rescued by firemen the house burns down the mother takes you know her stuff or whatever I don't know how much she had left and moves in with the sister so she's gone and that's the last the house catch on fire or we don't know no but he as he's going into his sickness and on you know I'm sure tons of painkillers and in a weird place he's telling his son Steve that the fire is his mother's doing that she knew based on what he did to the picture that that was her and I can't stop doing that Stephen we need a new setup um sorry so yeah he's hallucinating basically and saying that that it was somehow her doing he believed that his mother and her sisters and his sisters were plotting against him they are to not give your fucking kids this goddamn business well yeah I mean I mean yeah they were it's it's everybody's worst nightmare it's kind of like oh so this this is actually what it comes down to really at the end so Steve having to hear this and of course loving his grandmother and being in the middle of it said can't you ever forgive her and Marderos was quoted as saying God will forgive the devil before I can forgive my mother.

[807] Holy shit and then he said because this is a mother not a devil which is super sad it's like yeah ultimately your mother turned her back on you when you were in your worst place and also it's that thing of I'm sure after a year years and years of busting her ass to make this restaurant work he was going to come in and be like here's how it's going to happen so it's like giving bad news and bad news like could also be like you know how some people get mad at someone who's sick because it's easier than the sadness you can feel yes so she might have been mad at him that she had to watch her son die yes and it's easier than it's a thousand percent easier yeah yeah that's it's a stage of grief totally but she she um yeah it's it's hard yeah because when someone else has a disease then it's all about them and how hard it is for them you can't be mad at them yeah i'm sure she had tons of guilt it was just this impacted problem yeah um so anyway on january 14th 2003 marderos who had been bedridden and was dying gets out of bed puts on a white silk suit that he hadn't worn in 20 years gets a 9mm handgun and a 38 caliber revolver.

[808] Whoa.

[809] And walks down the stairs of his house.

[810] His wife Rita couldn't believe what she was seeing.

[811] And she said, and the way it's written in this article, for a man so near death, cancer everywhere, he looked beautiful.

[812] So he's having some weird last.

[813] Later on in the article, they went, he does not have that outfit on.

[814] Okay.

[815] So they think that she's remembering it because it's this crazy moment.

[816] And she's remembering him basically as his beautiful young self that she fell in love with.

[817] Oh, my God.

[818] I'm going to cry.

[819] Because it's a really beautiful story, but she, they lived across the street from each other on Beirut.

[820] And she, he was 19 and she was 12.

[821] And he was like, no, no, no, no. That's not when it started.

[822] That's when she first noticed him because he was like the high roller.

[823] Yeah.

[824] Don't be freaked out.

[825] It's actually very sweet.

[826] And then when she got older, like she was 18 and he was like 26.

[827] Yeah.

[828] They started dating.

[829] Okay.

[830] So it's very sweet.

[831] Like she was in love with him all her life.

[832] Oh, I cry.

[833] So she said, you're two weeks to go anywhere.

[834] Please get back in bed.

[835] And he said, I feel better.

[836] Don't worry.

[837] I'm just going to go down to Zanku and see my friends.

[838] So she, to see an old friend.

[839] And so she, you know, was like, all right.

[840] I'll see you soon.

[841] But he didn't go to Zanku.

[842] God damn it.

[843] He didn't go to Zankew.

[844] He went to his sister's house.

[845] The housekeeper lets him in.

[846] He sits at the table.

[847] The housekeeper gives him lemonade.

[848] His sister comes downstairs.

[849] She was in the shower.

[850] They sit and have a pleasant conversation and share some lemonade.

[851] Then Margaret, the mother, comes home from work around 2 p .m. and she greets him.

[852] She says hello to the daughter first.

[853] Then she says hello to him, puts her stuff down, sits at the table, and the housekeeper goes downstairs to her apartment because she knows that they need to talk to each other.

[854] So they talk for about five minutes, and it's just normal chit -chat, and then he reaches into his waistband for his gun, and he shoots his sister across the table then.

[855] Shut the back.

[856] Point blank.

[857] And then his mother screams and runs for the door, and he runs after her.

[858] And he blocks the door, and stands in front of her about like 15 feet away from the door, it said.

[859] And he raises the gun in Armenian.

[860] She says, don't shoot me, please.

[861] And he shoots her eight times.

[862] He shoots her once, she goes down on the ground, and then he stands over her and shoots her seven more times.

[863] Holy shit.

[864] He looks around the room and sees his 23 -year -old nephew is on the stairs.

[865] No, no, no. And he just turns around, goes over into the living room, sits on the couch, and shoots himself in the head.

[866] Holy fuck, are you serious?

[867] Mm -hmm.

[868] So.

[869] Oh, my God.

[870] Now, Rita, the wife, well, at least at the time of this article, um, was, had to be in charge of all the Zankas.

[871] No. And it was this whole, they were in court about, um, the trademark and, and who owned the rights to.

[872] It was, it's this huge thing.

[873] And, uh, I didn't even get into it because there's so much more to this article.

[874] The poor woman after maybe years or maybe however long, taking care of her sick husband.

[875] Yes.

[876] That's fucking stressful as hell.

[877] And raising four boys who were not doing, who are fuck -ups.

[878] Who were rich kids, you know, who were rich kids.

[879] And she was a very traditional kind of old school wife where she didn't work.

[880] She didn't go to the store.

[881] She stayed home and was a housewife and took care of that.

[882] family and suddenly just got thrown into this i would never want to raise rich kids you know no well but also because that's not anything you have experience with so like they're having a whole life that you don't even they do whatever they want yeah so then then after taking care of her sick dying husband then this happens and she has to be in charge of so much shit she didn't expect to be in charge of yeah that poor woman yeah so i don't know that's um Um, that's that rough story behind the best restaurant in L .A. Who owns it now?

[883] Is it still in the family?

[884] I think they still do it, but I'm not sure I didn't get.

[885] Like, once the, um, murder part was over, that article goes on forever talking about all that part.

[886] Yeah.

[887] So I figure if people are super interested in who owns the rice to thank you chicken, you can go for it.

[888] But I don't give up a, um, I want to, A, my stomach is growling.

[889] I know.

[890] Are you hungry now?

[891] Oh, that's, I want to eat four chickens.

[892] I do, shoot.

[893] I'm like already thinking about what I'm going to order tomorrow when I go there.

[894] Wow.

[895] I know.

[896] What a messy, bloody scene to be cleaned up, too.

[897] Oh, yeah.

[898] That housekeeper was bummed.

[899] Stop it, Karen.

[900] Wow.

[901] That was good.

[902] That was a good one.

[903] I liked that one.

[904] At least it didn't.

[905] I liked it because, yeah, there was food.

[906] There's delicious food that I got to describe.

[907] It wasn't all tragedy.

[908] Yeah.

[909] That was good, good food talk.

[910] Well, well, well, we've done it again.

[911] Speaking of food talk, oh, yeah, go all over the place.

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[914] And you'll tell your, everyone tells their sisters, too, which I love.

[915] I know.

[916] Everyone tells someone.

[917] And then they bond over it.

[918] And the new trend is dads.

[919] Dads.

[920] Because I just got a tweet today about a girl who's just discovered that her dad listens.

[921] Everyone tell your dad.

[922] Tell your dad if he's chill with the F word.

[923] Right.

[924] Don't tell my dad.

[925] Don't tell Karen's dad at all.

[926] Thank you guys so much for listening.

[927] It's really lovely.

[928] And stay sexy.

[929] And don't get murdered.

[930] Damn you.

[931] Elvis, you want a cookie?

[932] You want cookie?

[933] Yay.

[934] Bye.

[935] Bye.