The Joe Rogan Experience XX
[0] Let's do it Four One Boom hello Travis What's going on Thanks man Thanks for doing this I really appreciate it Stoke to be here It's cool to have you Hey so I wanted to talk about What we were talking about right before we started I've always watched you play drums And I'm like how the fuck does that guy's arms not fall off I mean you You have so much repetitive motion I've never understood how you could do that Just barely No I kind of Pull this thing like right up like a fist from your face there we go i always do battle ropes oh okay that that must constantly like i'll do 30 minutes um you know not high intensity the whole time but just keep my shoulders and arms moving as i prepare for a tour but yeah i think my wrists my wrists probably have gone through the most hell over the years like i just feel like just normal people's wrist strength that probably don't have because there's been so much grinding like they pop and oh jesus do all sorts of weird things but yeah But I'm still, you know, I feel like because I do battle ropes and because I box and the kind of work out fast twitch muscles, I really don't get tired.
[1] That's, it's amazing.
[2] Like, because so many people have repetitive stress injuries.
[3] Yeah.
[4] You know, I mean, even secretaries, they get carpal tunnel.
[5] You know, people get who write a lot get carpal tunnel.
[6] Yeah.
[7] Kids are getting injuries on their thumbs from, you know, fucking around with their phone too much.
[8] Yeah.
[9] I felt like when I smoked cigarettes a lot, I was feeling kind of the first symptoms of that stuff.
[10] And I wasn't drinking a lot.
[11] I was kind of a dumpster on tour, you know, not really taking care of my body, and I could really feel it.
[12] And then are you still vegan?
[13] Yeah.
[14] And you run that restaurant, right?
[15] It's Crossroads, or it's one of your, one of the owners?
[16] Running it is saying a lot.
[17] I couldn't do that.
[18] I shouldn't have said running.
[19] No, Tau Ronan is the man. He's like the illest vegan chef ever.
[20] He's like an old punk rock hardcore guy, like new John Joseph.
[21] Yeah, John Joseph keeps trying to get me to go there.
[22] I almost went last time he was in town with him.
[23] Next time I'm going to make it down there.
[24] I think probably 80 % of the people that eat there aren't vegan because it's that good.
[25] Yeah, that's what I hear.
[26] Dana said that.
[27] Yeah, Dana, we usually have dinner there when he's in town.
[28] So I think for Dana to be able to sit through it and enjoy it, and Matt Sarah, I think he brought everyone for, like, I don't know if it was like fight companion.
[29] It was like one of those fights shows.
[30] Yeah, it was Dana White's looking for a fight at YouTube show.
[31] Yeah.
[32] Yeah, I was on tour, but they FaceTime me from there.
[33] But, yeah, Tau is like a G. He's the best vegan chef in the world by far.
[34] That's cool.
[35] How did you get involved with that?
[36] Were you already, you were cleaning your diet up because of your injuries or because you were trying to keep your body tuned for drumming, or you just wanted to clean it up, period?
[37] No, I was vegetarian since I was 13.
[38] Really?
[39] Yeah.
[40] And then after my accident, I was in the hospital, actually.
[41] Long story that I'll just sum up into a real quick piece.
[42] Yeah.
[43] And I had to eat meat in the hospital because they didn't have any other kind of vegan options of protein.
[44] So I'd eat bags of beef jerky, whatever they would give me, whatever I could stomach and not like kind of like think about what I was eating because I wasn't eating at all.
[45] And I was just ditching my food, giving it to my friends because I didn't want to eat any of it and I got caught.
[46] So long story, story, I ate a little bit of meat in the hospital.
[47] and when I got out, I just felt like the next evolution of my eating would try and be vegan.
[48] And it was so easy in L .A. because we have so many great vegan restaurants.
[49] So, yeah, that was pretty much it.
[50] I was already vegan.
[51] I was actually at a bad brain show, one of the best hardcore bands in the world to ever do it.
[52] And TAL approached me there saying, hey, I had this idea for a restaurant.
[53] I'd really like to be, you know, you to be involved.
[54] And I said, say no more.
[55] Just tell me what you need.
[56] Because I was familiar.
[57] But you thinking about it all before?
[58] Of course.
[59] Because that's a weird thing to approach someone with it.
[60] Hey, man, I'm thinking about opening up a restaurant.
[61] I need this drummer.
[62] Yeah, right?
[63] No, I think he was just reaching out to friends and family because he was Oprah's chef and he was Ellen DeGeneresious chef.
[64] And he was all these like, you know, really high profile people as vegan chef when they would, you know, do a vegan diet for however long.
[65] Some, some forever, some just like a two -week thing.
[66] But I think he just got to the point.
[67] where he wanted to do something for himself.
[68] And then Crossroads was born.
[69] And I knew how good he was.
[70] So I just told him, say no more, tell me what you need for me, and I'm there.
[71] And then it just, you know, I think it's been five years now.
[72] Well, it's got a fantastic reputation.
[73] Yeah.
[74] I know a bunch of people that have eaten there, and they love it.
[75] Well, it's not because of me. It's because of Tal and his food, for sure.
[76] Yeah, Tal and Scott, the chefs there are just, you know, the best.
[77] Now, how hands -on were you in the, Were you just one of the people promoting it?
[78] Like, how hands -on were you with the construction of it?
[79] Nothing with, like, the decor or anything.
[80] He would run stuff by us.
[81] Like, hey, check this out.
[82] Tell us what you guys think of this.
[83] As, you know, there's basically menus change every season.
[84] So it's not the same menu all year long.
[85] So as we prepare for the next season's menu, he's, like, testing it on us the season prior.
[86] So he'll be bringing out dishes and letting us try it.
[87] But, yeah, he curates the whole thing.
[88] That's interesting.
[89] So when he gets his food, when he's preparing his food, like, is he getting his stuff directly from farmers?
[90] Like, how is he getting his food?
[91] Yeah, directly from farms, yeah.
[92] So he has to curate these relationships with these farmers and just go visit them and find out how they're growing their food.
[93] yeah and and you know you'll be all set with a menu if it's fall but then those same vegetables aren't in season so he has to rethink everything for the next season and not kind of repeat himself so it's really he's really got it down to a science and how long has he been vegan for i don't know how long tal's been vegan i've never really asked because it's got to be incredibly difficult to be a vegan chef i would imagine being a regular chef is difficult but when you put all those restrictions you know and you just you have have to make things taste interesting and different.
[94] Yeah, I think that's where Chef Scott comes in, because he actually comes from a meat background.
[95] So he was working at Italian restaurants and Italian Mediterranean restaurants that cooked everything.
[96] So it was infusing this vegan, obviously, like lifestyle of eating with, you know, Chef Scott's taste as well.
[97] So I think he had to think that out to where it would appeal and meat eaters would eat there too and not really notice a difference.
[98] Because I agree, you know, sometimes I'll be on tour when you go to a vegan spot and I'll take my bus driver in or whoever's traveling at me and they're like, oh, man, this is rough, you know, like, they can't stand it.
[99] Crossroads is not one of those spots where you're thinking about, like, man, I might not enjoy this meal.
[100] There's some good spots.
[101] L .A. has some great spots.
[102] You ever go to Follow Your Heart in the Valley?
[103] All the time.
[104] It's a great spot.
[105] Yeah, that's the spot close to home that I love.
[106] Like, follow your heart.
[107] Shout out to Air One.
[108] Air One has, like, good vegan options.
[109] chef Ido who has a spot in downtown called Aluk who took a vowel silence 22 years ago yeah what he's special man yeah 22 years ago took a val of silence and he's done no more talking no more talking what and the fuck is that about yeah so he just communicates if he has a lot to say he'll write it down oh my god you just read the lips and I know what he's saying but he he shows up to oh that's so crazy yeah he takes a lot of photos so he'll show up to like punk or wraps whatever whatever show i'm playing he's in the pit with his camera this silent guy who doesn't say a word yeah and his cooking is phenomenal so but yeah la we're spoiled with great great vegan restaurants that's a fucking trip yeah 22 years of no talking yeah he also does like this juicing where this year he juiced for 189 days with no food wow what did he get down to i think he was yeah he lost about 20 something pounds.
[110] Fuck, man. He does it every year.
[111] Wow.
[112] Yeah.
[113] He's trying to vanish.
[114] Right?
[115] He's trying to not talk.
[116] I don't think I could do it.
[117] Yeah, intermittent fasting is like as much as I can do.
[118] Yeah, I do that every night, but that's, the vow of science is freaking me, the silence is freaking me out.
[119] Yeah.
[120] And I've never really pride and kind of like asked a bunch of questions why.
[121] Because they didn't even have to write a lot.
[122] Yeah, that too.
[123] But no, I've been around when people ask him.
[124] He just said he wanted to time out.
[125] for 22 years?
[126] Yeah.
[127] That's a serious fucking timeout.
[128] How old is home boy?
[129] He's got to be probably in his 50s.
[130] So almost half his life?
[131] Yeah.
[132] What the fuck, man. Yep.
[133] But he spends Christmas with me, spends Thanksgiving with my family and I. Oh, that's cool.
[134] Yeah, everybody just smiles on him.
[135] Yeah, everyone just smiles and waves, basically.
[136] He'd be a good guy to sit next to someone who's on Coke.
[137] Totally.
[138] They would just talk his fucking ear off.
[139] He'd just be sitting there all silent.
[140] Yeah.
[141] And they just, blah, blah, la, la. Yeah.
[142] Yeah, fuck, man. That is, I've never even heard of anything like that.
[143] Does he make any noises?
[144] Does he whistle?
[145] No. I've heard him snort one time when he was laughing hell hard.
[146] But that was about as close as it gets.
[147] So he doesn't laugh out loud?
[148] Like, ha, ha, ha, ha.
[149] Wow.
[150] Yeah, nothing.
[151] Terrible comedy club audience member.
[152] Yeah, it would be rough.
[153] He has a march too.
[154] It's called March of Silence that happens once a year, where you have a bunch of them that basically, you know, and they're basically marching for the march of silence for like the cruelty of animals and whatever else so yeah i'd like to have him on the podcast to see how long i could talk to him for yeah just to see what what it would be like that's so strange it sounds cool i mean yeah i love that there's people like that out there though i do i love hearing those stories like the world needs him you know like when you said that i got excited like the guy's been silent for 20 i'm like whoa you know there's something about that it makes you go wow i was talking hell loud when i first met him and he was like I can hear you you know I was like oh man because I was trying to wrap my head around you know no one did an introduction going hey this guy's silent oh they didn't tell you no had no idea so I'm talking really loud and he like he like just whispers to me like mouths to me I can hear you and I was like okay and then I just figured out over time wow he's silent by choice who yeah that's heavy what is he involved like heavy meditation or Buddhism or anything very strange like that yeah he meditates i think he has like a lot of kind of buddhist uh kind of qualities like kind of i think if he had to lean in some kind of religion or or practice it would be that wow yeah that's intense yeah that's a serious commitment man yeah i couldn't even imagine going 22 days without talking a day i think any anything i think we'd catch ourselves it being very hard.
[155] I was going to get my tonsils and adenoids removed because I have sleep apnea because I have a fat neck but I found a mouthpiece that I can sleep with that keeps my tongue from falling over because I have a...
[156] When your neck is thick, your wind hole is smaller, believe it or not, because the more muscle you put in, the smaller your hole gets.
[157] And then if you have a big tongue, when you lay back, you can actually block your airway.
[158] Wow.
[159] Yeah, and so friends that I know have had their adenoids and their tonsils removed, and they actually take some of the soft tissue out of your passageway so you can breathe easier.
[160] But the problem is you can't talk for like seven days.
[161] Yeah, that would probably be rough for you.
[162] For me. Yeah.
[163] I wonder if wide neck, you know, like the internet phenomenon.
[164] Oh, that guy?
[165] Oh, that guy must sleep terrible.
[166] Yeah.
[167] Yeah, his neck starts up here.
[168] It's crazy.
[169] His neck starts at the top of his ears and works its way to his shoulders.
[170] Tonsils out is a It's a bum out I did that Did you?
[171] Yeah Did you have tonsillitis?
[172] No, you know what I had is I had I was smoking Tons of weed, right?
[173] But I would smoke backwards Like I loved woods So everything He's right here I got them right here Yeah So I'd smoke about 20 20 backwards a day Easily Yeah And I was recording an album With the transplants And I turned to Skinhead Robin.
[174] I was like, yo, I think I have something like something's lodged in my throat.
[175] Like I could barely breathe right now.
[176] And I kept smoking.
[177] I didn't even, you know, I didn't really know what was going on.
[178] And then I went to the hospital that night and they rushed me to another hospital to get my tonsils removed because they were like twice the size that they should be.
[179] And then I had a throat infection.
[180] And then it comes to find out I had what's called like Barrett's esophagus, which is like pre -cancer lining my esophagus.
[181] from smoking and I don't know I guess just abuse over the years so that was that's what led to my tonsils being pulled out these are serious like when you think about this like you probably shouldn't smoke too many of these because no it's just plain tobacco I love I love them though it got to the point where I couldn't smoke joints I couldn't smoke out of a bong yeah a pipe it had to be a backwood that's where I am yeah I'm at that spot I love it I like them did you ever smoke cigarettes no See, I did.
[182] I smoked a lot of cigarettes, and then I quit smoking cigarettes, just smoked weed, and then I discovered backwards, and I was kind of getting a little bit of both.
[183] I was still getting the tobacco that I missed.
[184] But, yeah.
[185] Yeah, my friend Ari said that he started smoking spliffs in England, you know, and when he was over in the U .K., they mixed the weed with the tobacco, and he got totally hooked on tobacco again because he had quit cigarettes for years, and then he started smoking the weed mixed with the tobacco, and before he knew it, he was smoking cigarettes again.
[186] So he smoked while he was over there, and then he quit as soon as he was done and then came back to the U .S. Yeah, I feel like they just started smoking just pure weed over there.
[187] For years, for years, it was both.
[188] Yeah, I don't understand that.
[189] Uh -uh.
[190] Like, how'd that work out over there?
[191] Yeah.
[192] Well, it's still so illegal over there, too.
[193] It's like, Jesus fucking Christ, it's 2019, fellas.
[194] It's killed many times.
[195] When I used to fly over there, we'd have to tape tons of weed to our nuts.
[196] Just to be able to end in our road.
[197] Codes just so we could smoke over there because they had dirt weed.
[198] Yeah, it was horrible weed.
[199] But, yeah, it was a pain in the ass.
[200] It's fucking dangerous bringing that stuff overseas, though.
[201] Yeah.
[202] If you get arrested, that's serious.
[203] Yeah, I brought it.
[204] So I'd bring it everywhere like that.
[205] And we went to Iraq.
[206] What kind of tape?
[207] Like gaff tape.
[208] Jesus, man. I feel like you tear the first layer of your nuts off when you go to grab your weed.
[209] But yeah, we would do that.
[210] And then...
[211] That's a commitment, though.
[212] Yeah, I actually brought it.
[213] I made the big mistake of not bringing a bunch, but I got to Iraq.
[214] We went to Iraq for, like, right when the war broke out.
[215] What was it, like 2003 or 2004?
[216] And we were over there, and a scandalist, Estevan Oriole, the photographer, he's over there with us, documenting the whole thing.
[217] And I pull it out because we're at this airport in Bahrain, but I feel like it's a field and no one's going to mess with us.
[218] And he's like, hey, bro, look at the back of your fucking passport.
[219] Look what it says.
[220] And it says right there, like, you're basically, like they'll kill you if they find you know you brought any drugs into iraq or you know where we were balrain so i did away with everything and i just kind of took up drinking i'm not sure and i'm not really much of a drinker but do you still smoke weed i don't nah i have a friend who's like a dear friend who's like a cool like young doctor named dr b in san diego and i called them he actually removed my my tonsils and then like a week later i found out i had what was called pre -cancer, barit's oesophagus.
[221] I said, what does this mean?
[222] Dr. Beech, I just, like, kind of, like, toned down, like, how much I'm smoking.
[223] He's like, no, this means, like, this is your warning shot, like, pay attention, stop smoking.
[224] Sophical cancer is a rough one, too.
[225] Yeah.
[226] That's what killed Christopher Hitchens.
[227] Really?
[228] Yeah.
[229] Yeah, that's a rough one.
[230] That kills a lot of fucking people.
[231] Once you get it, you get it, and you're gone, basically.
[232] I think it kills, like, I think Hitch said, like, 95 % of the people.
[233] to get it.
[234] So I felt like he's always pretty honest with me. And I just stopped.
[235] Like, I love CBD.
[236] Yeah.
[237] That's pretty much what I mess with now.
[238] But that's all.
[239] Do you find, a lot of people use CBD and they find that it alleviates anxiety and lets them sleep better.
[240] Do you find that?
[241] Yeah, as long as I take, like, triple or quadruple the amount that it says to take on the bottle.
[242] Right.
[243] Because I feel like what I take, if I take what the proper dosage is, it doesn't do much, but but I'm one of those people whose mind's racing constantly.
[244] I'll get home from the studio at one or two, and I'm just, like, kind of like figuring out how long I got to sleep before I get to wake up my kids and go to school, and I just sit there with my wheels spinning, unless I use CBD, and then that kind of helps.
[245] And then I have what's called trigeminal neurologa.
[246] Have you ever heard of that?
[247] No. Oh, it's the fucking worst.
[248] It's called the suicide disease, because basically all of your nerves in your face are firing all at the same time.
[249] So it almost feels like what you feel when you think you need a root canal or you have like a tooth that's messed up.
[250] But I got trigeminal neurologia and I've only had four episodes but when I do get it I use CBD and it's been amazing.
[251] But if you look it up a lot of people will go actually go to a dentist get a bunch of root canals done that they don't need or they don't know how to treat it and usually people kill themselves.
[252] Whoa.
[253] Yeah, it's gnarly.
[254] I didn't really know about it.
[255] I just was home when Dan, I was like, what the fuck?
[256] Like, the whole side of my face is burning.
[257] Hmm.
[258] It's miserable.
[259] Chronic pain condition that affects the trigeminal nerve, which carries a sensation for your face to your brain, if you have trigeminal neurology, even mild stimulation of your face, such as from brushing your teeth or putting on makeup, make trigger a jolt of excruciating pain.
[260] Holy shit, man. Yeah, look it up.
[261] What is the cause?
[262] What causes that?
[263] All different things.
[264] They thought, like, mine, I maybe got mine from impact.
[265] from my accident and then maybe a little sparring that I've done has has triggered it also dental when I get dental work done it triggers it so but the CBD stops it yeah CBD and if it's really bad there's um this medication called gabapentin and I feel like that's been a a real great way to kind of like mass the pain and once the gabapentin calms the nerve it deads the nerve, 24, 48 hours it's gone.
[266] If it's a really bad episode, if it's not so bad, CBD just keeps it away.
[267] Wow.
[268] They say that a lot of nerve diseases are inflammation caused.
[269] So sometimes, like, if you change your diet, you can smooth some of those out, like, lower the sugar intake and some of the other things that might be causing inflammation.
[270] Did they give you any advice like that?
[271] No, but around the same time, I figured out I was allergic to gluten, which I really thought was or whatever i was like yeah right okay yeah we need to be gluten free um then i tried it and and the doctor i had seen said well you really got to try it though you got to commit a hundred percent you got to give it at least like two to three weeks and see how you feel and i did it and it was a game changer like i felt normal whereas i'd have a lot of ups and downs depending on what i was eating and i'm still eating clean at the time i'm still eating vegan i'm eating you know whatever but you know a lot of a lot of us can't you know digest or or kind of our bodies can't absorb the gluten yeah well it's have you ever had pasta in europe yeah it's very different oh yeah yeah we have so much shit in ours you know so much well it's the mainer explainer keenan uh from tool he explained it takes you know he runs an austerea in i didn't know that yeah he's he's he's the guy's a fucking wizard man he's got his own winery runs an austerea um but he uh said that when and we subsequently looked it up after he told me this, in the early turn of the century, when they were growing wheat, they experimented and changed the wheat to make it more dense so that you could get more yield out of an acre.
[272] And so by doing that, they changed how your body processes it, and there's more complex glutons in like a stalk of wheat, like an old, old -timey wheat, like you would get like in Italy or France or something like that.
[273] It's a different wheat.
[274] It looks different.
[275] It's a much more scrawny -looking plant.
[276] And so if they had an acre of that, you don't get nearly as much wheat.
[277] Yeah.
[278] And so in America, we said, oh, bigger's better.
[279] And we made it bigger and better and thicker.
[280] And your body has a much harder time processing it.
[281] And that's why people get so much inflammation and leaky gut and all these different ailments that people get from bread and pasta in this country.
[282] It's because of this much more complex wheat.
[283] But I buy pasta overseas.
[284] I buy this, God damn it.
[285] I'll say the name of it.
[286] I found out about it in Italy that they sell it in America.
[287] Just for that reason?
[288] Yeah.
[289] Because I can eat it.
[290] And if I want pasta, it's not that disgusting.
[291] Yeah.
[292] Here, I'm going to find it.
[293] Yeah, I love pasta.
[294] I do too.
[295] But it's just, it's something that I found if I eat a lot of, it just fucks me. So I have to make sure that I don't.
[296] Let me find it real quick.
[297] And I'll pull up the name of it.
[298] And I felt like Leaky Gut was like a hoax.
[299] I would be like, what are you talking about?
[300] I've never even heard about this.
[301] but I feel like it's legit and they're spot on about that.
[302] It's called Morelli.
[303] Morelli spaghetti and it's from Italy.
[304] And the type of wheat that they use, it's a very different type of wheat.
[305] It tastes different.
[306] It doesn't bloat you up as much.
[307] It's, uh, I think somebody explained it to me like what kind of wheat you're looking for.
[308] But what I found is it, I've tried gluten -free pasta.
[309] And it's like, you know what I like better than gluten -free pasta?
[310] spaghetti squash spaghetti squash with marinera sauce is fucking delicious I actually sometimes like it better than pasta but um they sell that I air one all the time in the hot part it's spaghetti squash is outstanding yeah yeah and it's guilt free you know you can eat it and you're not thinking you're you know bloating yourself up yeah but we've ruined pasta we ruined bread and ruined pot but it gives you that feeling you know that feeling you get after eat a lot of it you're like ugh Oh, that's what that is.
[311] Your body's like, what the fuck am I doing with this?
[312] Yeah, you're immediately tired, you feel bloated.
[313] Yeah.
[314] But if you eat it in Italy, you don't get that feeling.
[315] And you look at those people over there, they're not fat.
[316] Yeah.
[317] It's weird.
[318] It's true.
[319] Yeah, they're walking around all over the place, and they're eating pasta.
[320] Yeah.
[321] Yeah, Europe, everyone's walking or riding bikes.
[322] Yeah.
[323] Well, that's the thing about France, too.
[324] France, when they're eating those baguettes, they're eating it with, like, this very rich butter that's like grass -fed butter.
[325] It's like a dark yellow butter.
[326] So it's very high -fat content.
[327] It's got a lot of essential fatty acids in it.
[328] And you're just getting it and it's a different kind of bread too.
[329] And meanwhile, they're not fat.
[330] And they're drinking wine and they're not fat.
[331] Like it doesn't make any sense.
[332] Yeah.
[333] Agreed.
[334] Standard American diet is just fucked up.
[335] But I've always wanted to ask you that about like the drumming because I mean, everything that I do, like everything repetitive, whether it's boxing or even archery a lot of people get injuries in archery just from repetitive stress from just pulling the bow back over and over again i'm like god damn travis this your whole fucking thing is repetitive it's like i see you every time i see you like my my shoulders hurt yeah my elbows hurt no i mean my first week hurts my first week sucks like on tour really like getting acclimated because even practice rehearsals are not a show it's just a different intensity but but yeah as long as i train for it I'm cool.
[336] I kind of like, boxing has helped so much.
[337] And I don't box because I think I'm a tough guy or I think I can, you know, beat people's asses or whatever.
[338] It's really just for functionality, like so I can play the drums the way I want to.
[339] So you started doing it for that reason?
[340] Well, no, I started when I knew my son was being born.
[341] Like when my girlfriend at the time was pregnant, I woke up that morning.
[342] I ran to the freeway and back, like twice, and then I went and found a boxing gym.
[343] I walked into 10 goose.
[344] I actually walked into John Bray's who used to be Tyson's sparring partner.
[345] And it was like 2005, yeah, no, 2003.
[346] And then I started boxing.
[347] I just walked into 10 goose and I started jump roping and hitting pads.
[348] And I don't know, I just had this urge to want to like box and be better.
[349] That's so interesting.
[350] Just from knowing that you were going to be a dad.
[351] I just wanted to be better.
[352] I wanted, like, immediately I just thought to myself I wanted a lifestyle change.
[353] I needed to evolve, and I needed to know how to protect this little human.
[354] I was bringing into the world, and I knew I needed to change my lifestyle because I was kind of out of control.
[355] Wow.
[356] It's an amazing thing that happens to you when you become a father.
[357] It's a weird switch that goes off in your brain that you can't really describe to people that don't have kids.
[358] Yeah, and it's even weirder when the switch.
[359] switch doesn't go off.
[360] So, like, you know, you see people who are horrible fathers or horrible parents, and I just don't get, like, how didn't that switch turn on for you?
[361] Right, right, you know?
[362] Yeah.
[363] Like, the ones who don't want to be around their kids freak me out the most.
[364] Yeah.
[365] They just don't want to be.
[366] They just want to be away all the time.
[367] I just, I don't get it.
[368] Yeah.
[369] I don't know why.
[370] Yeah, I couldn't imagine.
[371] But, yeah.
[372] And now I love boxing.
[373] Like, it's one of my favorite things to do.
[374] I've been doing Muay Thai a little bit more because I can kind of save my hands.
[375] Yeah.
[376] Because it's not good on my hands in any way, shape, or form.
[377] How so?
[378] Just the impact over and over again.
[379] Are you getting your hands professionally wrapped?
[380] You get them wrapped correctly?
[381] Yeah.
[382] But it still bothers you?
[383] My knuckles hurt.
[384] Really?
[385] Yeah.
[386] Are you using big heavy gloves?
[387] Yeah.
[388] What ounce gloves are you using?
[389] I think they're 14 ounce.
[390] Maybe you should switch to like 18 or 20.
[391] Yeah.
[392] Get a thicker padding in the front.
[393] It'll protect your knuckles better.
[394] And it even gives you a better workout, really, because you're pushing more weight.
[395] A little heavier.
[396] Yeah.
[397] Yeah.
[398] You're pushing more weight.
[399] and you'll have more, more impact.
[400] But another thing I would say is get a bag that's a water bag.
[401] Water bags are fantastic.
[402] Have you ever seen those before?
[403] Oh, yeah, I've seen them at the gym.
[404] Yeah, they're awesome.
[405] You could fucking dig into those things, and it's minimal impact, but you're still pushing the same amount of weight, you know, through throwing the punches.
[406] You could still explode with the same amount of force, but, you know, you're sinking into that bag.
[407] And so a lot of people with tendinitis find that that's a way better option.
[408] is another I have two bags out there one of them's a Fairtex bag and Fairtex makes a...
[409] It's a Moitai bag but it's softer and the other one's a monster bag The monster bag is like really hard That's dense, dense as fuck So I like the combination of the two But the Fairtex one is good if I'm injured If my shoulders bother me or something like that I can dig into that bag And it's not going to have the same jolt As like hitting something solid and hard So if you're having problems with your hands That's what I would say Another thing you can do do is they make wraps that are gel wraps you slide them on your hand almost like a glove yeah that's what he just told me about one of the guys i train with yeah those are great yeah and then that on top of the heavier glove i bet it'll stop all the hand stuff yeah i'm gonna try that yeah he just told me about that that'll protect my knuckles a little bit more because i find if i lift weights i never get big like i never look big but i feel kind of stiff and just slow it's the worst feeling ever and i did it one time Right before Torid, I was living in Chevy Hills for a little while and I was working out at a gym over there and it was all bodybuilder guys and I would train with one just to like be pushed and I got behind my kit and it was the worst feeling ever the worst.
[410] I felt like I was in slow motion so I figured out like I need to train how I want to move when I'm actually playing the drums.
[411] Weightlifting's fine but you have to do it lightly.
[412] The thing about weightlifting is people want to do it to failure all the time.
[413] You know, do 10 sets of this.
[414] and five sets of that and go to failure every time come on push push push push push don't do that you shouldn't do that I subscribe to the Pavel Tatsalini method he's a famous Russian kettlebell instructor and his philosophy is that you should do more sets but less repetition so like say if you could do a weight and you could lift it ten times don't lift it ten times lift it five if you lift it ten the fuck's going on my voice let's talk about esophical cancer my voice is rebelling but if you say if you could lift something ten times lift it five times and just do more sets and give yourself a lot of time in between sets because if you're training for strength you can do certain things like kettlebells specific where it's strength but it's also endurance but really if you just want to do strength the best way to do it is to do a short set of a few repetitions and then do multiple versions of that like take a long time off like five ten minutes and then do another five reps five ten minutes do another five reps and then do it again in a couple of days and then do it again instead of like once a week where you just blow your body out and you're like ah that feeling where you can barely move that's terrible it's not a smart way because you don't recover as well yeah and you end up getting hurt or having to take a day off you know what I started doing was with this one trainer named Don we figured out kind of like a metronome workout so you're actually like a tempo workout where you're training into a tempo so you have to do high reps like you know you'll stay to a minute and maybe the tempo is like you know what I mean so whatever even if it's quick and you're not doing everything like exactly technique wise really slow and you know it's it's kind of like making sure you stay up with a tempo which I feel like really help me with staying quick and fast with drums and more endurance, you know?
[415] Yeah, that makes sense.
[416] Like, is it drumming a young man's game?
[417] I mean, is it like athletics where as you get older, drummer slow down?
[418] I don't know.
[419] I haven't.
[420] I played just as wild as I did back in the day.
[421] And how old do you know?
[422] 43.
[423] You look great.
[424] Oh, thank you.
[425] You don't look 43.
[426] Yeah, Max Weinberg told me one time he watched me play and he was like at a show where a blink played and he's like, I don't know how much longer you can play like that.
[427] Because you fucking go hard, dude.
[428] He's like, you're going to need back.
[429] surgery you play like you have rabies you're just smashing the fucking drums so knock on wood nothing has changed and i've just i play exactly how i always have you know um i don't even want to think about a day where i have to play any different right sure it'll come but do you get mass yes that that'll help a lot right massages eps and salt bass um that's where the tank comes in play man yeah that thing looks amazing the tank is all eps and salts look at you dude you're going fucking crazy when you watch that I watch you play and I would just go how the fucking this guy maintain this pace because everybody drums differently you know I mean it's really interesting to watch people's different especially my friend Bill Burr really got into drumming and you know he's really into it and I like watching him play and it's interesting to see someone take something up and get better and take lessons and learn it but the thing that really strikes me is how many repetitions are involved.
[430] Like, as you're doing this, like, the amount of times you're hitting these drums is fucking insanity.
[431] You've got to pace yourself.
[432] If it's a two -hour set, I know, like, oh, this is a verse of this song, I can kind of, this is not a big, big part.
[433] You know, you can kind of chill.
[434] But it's like a round, you know, if you're doing a round, look up in the clock and you realize, oh, wow, I still have two minutes left.
[435] Yeah.
[436] Well, pace yourself.
[437] And, you know what I mean?
[438] Yeah.
[439] That's kind of how I approach shows.
[440] but the goal is to train so much before you even get on tour that you're not even having to think about that you're just playing the show exactly how you want to play it's almost I imagine it's like that with fighting where you envision what you want to do in your head and you're in the shape and you know the technique to execute and you don't have to think about it or go like oh I can't do that I'm not I didn't practice that enough I like to be able to just do whatever I'm feeling and not you know be like well shit I don't know how to do that or I'm going to get tired if I do that.
[441] I don't want that to happen, you know?
[442] So that's the goal.
[443] It's just being able to execute what you have the idea in your head.
[444] Well, musicians have to have discipline because you have to practice.
[445] It's one of the things that it makes you guys so unique in the entertainment world.
[446] It's like, I mean, I guess maybe actors have to practice.
[447] Stand -up comedians, we only practice in front of an audience, but you guys have to fucking practice.
[448] So you don't go through your show?
[449] No. Before you go out?
[450] No, I write.
[451] I write and I listen to recordings of old sets, but I don't like sit in front of a mirror and go, Hey, folks.
[452] Yeah.
[453] I don't do that.
[454] I don't know anybody.
[455] Because it would feel so weird when you go up to do it.
[456] It would feel rehearsed, right?
[457] Yeah, that's the last thing you want.
[458] You've got to be in the moment.
[459] Same thing happens with if you practice too much as a band and then you go try to play those songs and act like you're having fun, that same thing happens.
[460] So I try to practice a lot on my own and I'm not even practicing those songs, just kind of, just drill, you know?
[461] Yeah, like Sam Kinnison used to have a joke about the beach boys, about they're going out there, like, playing, I wish they could all be California girls again.
[462] I'm like, Jesus fucking cry.
[463] I wish they are.
[464] Like, it becomes a job that you don't want that.
[465] You want it to be fresh and exciting, and you want it to be something that you're really in the moment and really thinking about.
[466] So I make up new shit on the spot, too.
[467] That's the best, is I just make up new fails or just try to reinvent the songs to the point where even Mark will look back at me and be like, whoa, you know what I mean?
[468] Whatever, like, that's the best, you know?
[469] Just kind of freaking it on the fly.
[470] And even to the crowd, it's like, whoa, that's cool.
[471] You haven't heard like that before.
[472] So that's like after two or three months of being on tour, you do stuff like that.
[473] Yeah.
[474] When you get off tour, do you consciously give yourself a rest?
[475] No, I'm busier at home than I am on tour.
[476] On tour is so lavish, man. Like, you have someone saying, I mean, you do have people kind of waiting on you hand and foot somewhat, you know, like, hey, catering's, you know, ready if you want to eat, or, hey, you got to go do an interview, 30 minutes before you go on stage, car's outside waiting for you after the show, taking you to the hotel.
[477] So that doesn't happen at home.
[478] Right.
[479] You know, and at home, I do so many other things besides playing the band.
[480] Like I, you know, produce a bunch of rap artists.
[481] I have crossroads.
[482] I have clothing companies.
[483] I have three kids.
[484] It's way busier at home.
[485] Tour is a vacation.
[486] That's interesting.
[487] Yeah, for me. Wow.
[488] Because I don't know how to say no either.
[489] Mind you, I have a lot of things I love that I love doing, so I can't complain and be like, oh, I hate going to this year, I hate doing this, I love it all.
[490] I just kind of love it all so much that I have trouble saying no sometimes.
[491] So when you said you're managing or you're producing rap artists?
[492] Yeah.
[493] How many?
[494] Um, like, I'm in the, I'm in the studio right now with this group called Suicide Boys, who are awesome.
[495] They're from New Orleans.
[496] And we have a EP coming out that's called a Live Fast Die Whenever.
[497] And we just finished over the weekend.
[498] So, or yesterday.
[499] So it's, you know, you go in there at noon and you leave there at four in the morning every day until you're finished because they're only in town for a little while.
[500] So, yeah, it takes a little bit.
[501] And then, like, I worked on XXX Extentations album, uh, before.
[502] he passed away I work with like smoke perp um Vigmenza a bunch of different artists do you like that because it's a different genre helps you mix it up a little bit you're just a big rap fan as well obviously you're wearing an ice cube shirt yeah I grew up I actually listened to rap music before I listened to any kind of music at all like Beastie Boys and run DMC and public enemy and the far side and KRS1 that's what I grew up on and then I discovered you know I loved metal too.
[503] I loved Slayer and King Diamond and then I discovered a band called Minor Threat and The Descendants and Black Flag and bad brains and I disliked it all and then my dad listened to jazz music and country rebel music so I was born and raised on like Johnny Cash and Buck Owens and everything so and I kind of learned to love it all and I had people around me when I was young when I was first learning how to read music that just kept embedding in my head like you got to listen to everything can't just learn one thing so I was actually taught how to play traditional jazz when I was really young and then I taught myself how to play everything else that's fucking cool yeah but I always loved everything that's nice that you have an appreciation for all those different genres too yeah it'd be like if all you did was UFC commentating you'd be like I'm gonna go crazy right like this must be so much fun for you and all of your other endeavors like same thing like if I was only making you know punk rock records or pop punk records or whatever it was, I think I would go insane.
[504] And it's been like that for years, you know?
[505] Yeah, I think different people, I think some people, if they're just doing like baseball commentary or something like that, they're fucking happy as shit.
[506] They love it.
[507] They just want to do that.
[508] But there's some people like you or maybe like me that I need different things.
[509] Yeah.
[510] I will go crazy.
[511] I love, like, studio life is awesome.
[512] Like I did a Hans Zimmer thing the other week.
[513] And then the next day I'm in with like a band called Nothing Nowhere, doing something completely different.
[514] This week I'm doing a little peep in XXX, X, X ,X, remix.
[515] It's, it has to be like that for me. I get really bored, and I just don't feel creative.
[516] Right, right.
[517] Feel kind of like, like, I don't know.
[518] That's cool, though.
[519] I don't like that.
[520] How does that work?
[521] Like, you get a phone call or someone text you.
[522] Hey, Travis, we need you to come in here and light this motherfucker on fire, and you get in there.
[523] Yeah, it's been like that, you know.
[524] Or, like, you know, some projects manifested, too.
[525] Like, there's this band called the Fever 333 that I produce.
[526] and write with and they just got nominated for a Grammy like they're up for a Grammy for Best Rock Performance and that was something I just envisioned with the singer that band Jason and we started literally a year ago and they're nominated for a Grammy Wow So like stuff like that like kind of being an architecture without building buildings you know being an architecture and music or whatever it is whatever it is your passion about that excites me You're just building sound Yeah like there's nothing better And working with different genres, too, it's got to be exciting, too, because you can mix it up.
[527] Yeah.
[528] Now, when you're, like, how do you, like, schedule your time in terms of, like, how much time you're going to spend on your own studio work, how much time you're going to spend on other people's stuff, to just play it by ear?
[529] It seems like with a guy like you, you must get so many requests, and you said, you have a hard time saying no. I would imagine it's fucking overwhelming.
[530] Yeah.
[531] Well, my kids come first before everything.
[532] anything you know and then I get a lot of opportunities like my son Landon is a big rap fan like he loves right he was raised on rap music like he grew up touring with me in little Wayne when I tour with little Wayne and he loves being in the studio so he'll come with me to the studio so I can kind of like double -dip work at the same time as he's in B making music you know my studio B which is really really awesome and then same with Alabama she's I'm lucky they're both musicians because Alabama and like and both love music so they like going on tour with me they like went to the studio with me yeah or i probably wouldn't be working so much that's really cool yeah what the fuck is it like going on tour with little wayne it was so awesome i came out with a rap a rap project where i produced i made all the beats and i just got all my favorite rappers everyone from like risa from the wutan clan to little wayne uh game swiss beats um it was it was crazy i think i had 30 like guests on there and Wayne asked me to go out on tour with him.
[533] So me and Mix Master Mike from the Beasties were like the opening act on that tour and Drake was out there, Nicky Minaj and Rick Ross.
[534] Wow.
[535] It was so fun.
[536] So I loaded up the bus with everyone.
[537] I brought Yellow Wolf out.
[538] I brought J. Rock.
[539] I brought Paul Wall.
[540] I brought the cool kids.
[541] And we just got in a bus and we went on tour.
[542] Jesus Christ.
[543] Yeah.
[544] How long are those shows?
[545] All those people?
[546] How long is that show?
[547] That's like a, well, with all the acts, at least four hours.
[548] yeah it's a long one but it was so fun the fucking show's over like good lord that audience must be beaten into a coma oh yeah but then the headliners on who they're really there to see but that that was a big accomplishment just being able to play in that genre of music because I listened to it as a kid but there's never really been a home for a live drummer in a rap scenario right so from the beginning I think I don't even know what year it was when Puff called me when I had just joined Blink and he was like, y 'all I want you to be in this video and I was like, what?
[549] Like, you know what I mean?
[550] Because I pretty much was, I was just like, wow, I'm in one of the biggest bands in the world.
[551] I'm so stoked, I couldn't ask for anything more and I always wanted, I always wanted to yeah, drama gets something.
[552] That tour was so fun.
[553] But yeah, once Puff asked me to be in a video, it was kind of like a, it just snowballed from there.
[554] You just got into that world.
[555] Yeah, and I had no idea why he wanted me you know but i was just like wow this is so cool because i grew up on big ye like i loved all that genre of music but i was okay with just staying in my lane as well but when i got accepted with like open arms and i was invited to do like BET awards with t i or tyga or wayne and it was just insane you know playing the grammies i the funny thing is i've never played the grommies with blink but i played the gramees with like pit bull drake m &m like it's so weird it's so weird to me I just feel it's a trip the opportunities I've had outside of rock music have been such blessings do you when you say all these things and you know that you did all these things is it almost seem like you're living in a dream yeah I feel like smacking myself like it doesn't feel real when people go like oh who would you like to collaborate with I feel like I'm so spoiled and I've I've been so blessed to play with all these musicians I love then I just say nobody you know whatever comes I'm happy with Wow.
[556] But that's cool, though.
[557] That's great, man. That means you're fulfilled.
[558] Yeah.
[559] You're doing what you want to do.
[560] Like, you're ready.
[561] Whoever, let's do it.
[562] Yeah.
[563] If you wanted to make a record, Joe, I'd be there.
[564] You know what I'm saying?
[565] Well, lucky for you.
[566] I'm totally talentless in the music department, so it's not going to happen.
[567] No, you're such a talent, man. I love, like when you and Dominic Cruz are commentating together, doesn't get any better.
[568] Yeah, I love Dom.
[569] He's awesome.
[570] He beat the shit out.
[571] out of me a couple times um why did you let him well because he you know we we used to sponsor him a little bit like with famous like you know he used to walk out in famous stuff like when ufc wasn't they didn't have rebutt gear um and he would come down and train because i would train with this one guy josh over here in uh woodland hills and he said trav i'm going to be in town i'm going to come train with you i was like okay cool little did i know it'd be dom tossing me around and like fucking oh my gosh man it was so difficult does he make you roll with them well now he'd be like try to sleep me like try to knock me out so i'm giving my all and and he's just using his defense and you know when you when you actually swing in the air and you're not landing it actually more tiresome than when you're hitting somebody so i'm swinging in the air he's like on the side of me all of a sudden like you know he's so quick like with footwork and then i'm wrestled to the ground and it's just a rap every time man he's so so so talented so yeah man i love that guy yeah he just has the most ridiculous he just has the most ridiculous his footwork his his footwork is so unique to him too everything he does he's got like this weird herky jerky little thing he does he's probably one of the most unique MMA fighters ever I feel like a lot of people have kind of borrowed from his style oh for sure you know yeah for sure and not to say they didn't make it their own but I feel like Dom was the first one you saw you know kind of move like unquestionably and that's because of his intelligence because he doesn't like getting hit he's like okay I got to figure out a way to not get hit so much like what's the best way to not get hit and he just came up with this very unorthodox way of moving he's a real encyclopedia of information when you start talking him about fighting like he's i really enjoyed doing commentary with him because he's so insightful he's so good at pointing out little areas where he thinks people are making mistakes or how to capitalize on certain things that people are doing yeah i've watched fights with him before and he's and he he gives a different insight than what i'm seeing yes yeah yeah no he's great especially when it comes to wrestling and clinch work and you know and even like weird striking techniques I mean he's just he's so good at befuddling people that he fights with with movement and information like he's giving them looks and they're they're trying to set up you know they're standing there trying to set up and they don't know what the fuck he's doing then they have to reset and they're trying to get and then he's giving him a different look and he's standing over here and then he's in front of you with his hands down then he's not and yeah yeah that's a trip he's great just fucked up his shoulders again, man. I know, man. I think he, he trains so much.
[572] I feel like he just, you know, he's obsessive.
[573] Yeah, he's a savage.
[574] I mean, he got back from knee surgery and he went so hard that he gave himself planter fasciitis.
[575] So he fucked up to bottom of him his feet from running and sprinting and doing all kinds of crazy shit to get in shape.
[576] And, you know, he got over that.
[577] And I mean, he's had so many different surgeries.
[578] Knee surgery.
[579] And that's miserable.
[580] Have you had that?
[581] No, I've never had planner.
[582] Oh, man. I had it on a tour where I was, I'd get these weird kind of things where I have to do a certain thing before I go on stage.
[583] So one of the things I did on a tour that was, I don't know, was about a four -month tour is run four to five miles before the show.
[584] And by the middle of that tour, I'd actually given myself a stress fracture in my foot.
[585] It was terrible.
[586] Did you run on concrete?
[587] Not a treadmill.
[588] Really?
[589] Yeah.
[590] Wow.
[591] Damn, dude.
[592] Well, sometimes when there was no treadmill, I'd just run out in the street.
[593] But I kind of get like that where I just like, I don't know, I get obsessive about stuff and I want to do it.
[594] I get too kind of, I throw myself all the way in.
[595] No, what kind of running shoes do you run with?
[596] Do you run with?
[597] I was running like honestly on that tour.
[598] Sometimes I'd run in vans, which is probably half of my problem.
[599] But, you know, it'd be so quick, like, oh, I have an hour here to do this.
[600] But, yeah, it wasn't fun, though.
[601] It was painful.
[602] Yeah, when you have overuse injuries, those are some of the hardest, especially your feet.
[603] There's some of the hardest to recover from because you have to.
[604] walk it's not like if you hurt your elbow you could just not use it for a while yeah and it'll eventually heal up but you need to use your feet yeah yeah planters a rough one man i know a lot of people that have got that i've been very lucky i came from a martial arts background a lot of kicking and stuff like that so my feet are pretty strong from moving but i found that uh running with minimalist shoes on hills that that made them even stronger yoga yoga yoga made them stronger like what those weird kind of a what are they called vibram five finger shoes i wear those i'm wear there's another company called vivo barefoot i wear those i like those a little bit better for running on the hills because i'm running on a lot of rocks and shit and the vibrams they they would be great if everything was soft dirt but i'm running on weird jagged rocks and shit and it's just it hurts your feet you got to be real careful where you place your feet yeah but it just forces your feet to work as they're supposed to as opposed to like a big cushiony running shoe You know, like a big cushiony running shoe feels good.
[605] It feels good to run on it because you get all this cushion.
[606] It's not so jarring.
[607] But your body really, you really should run, I think, personally, unless you're a runner.
[608] You should probably run less with a minimalist shoe than you should run because it's more comfortable to run with a big fat cushion.
[609] I think you ultimately give yourself probably more injuries that way.
[610] Yeah.
[611] But you can get injuries from those minimalist shoes, too, if you don't pay close attention.
[612] You try too hard, too quick, and your foot's not conditioned for it.
[613] My feet are terrible, too, man. I had what was called a Liz Frank fracture.
[614] You ever heard of that?
[615] It's basically your foot breaks in half, like all your tenets, your ligaments, and your bones.
[616] How the fuck did you do that?
[617] So I was high as a kite, and I was in Australia, and I was running to the bus, and I had, like, two huge bags that were, like, probably, like, I probably had 40 pounds on my back, and I was just trying to get to the bus to get to the next shore or whatever.
[618] and it was the stupidest thing ever but it was the little like you know the little cracks in the sidewalk where it's up higher and I didn't see and I fell with all that weight on me and I'm in the bus and I'm starting to think wow this is really bad and my tour manager's like hey man just get the blood flow and try walking on it and I'm trying to just suck it up and I'm walking in the airport and I'm like almost like tearing like I'm fucking hurting so bad and I was like man I think I need to get an x -ray or like an MRI this isn't good So I play the next two shows with my other foot I get an x -ray They say I've broken my foot in half I need surgery So I think I end up doing a couple weeks of the tour Which I shouldn't have I should have gone and done that surgery But I played it with my other foot And then I got home I did the surgery And I was like six months On crutches And just recovering It was terrible Six months on clutches And then I feel like I wasn't healing that great Because I was taking so many painkillers and everything it was slowing down the process which i don't know if you've heard of but that it really like my bones became super brittle from pain killers from painkillers what what painkillers norcos yeah yeah but i would imagine the pain must have been fucking excruciating snapping your foot in half oh it was so painful yeah when it first happened it's something else for pain medication after you got off of that stuff just smoked weed yeah yeah is that enough Yeah, I'm pretty good with pain.
[619] It doesn't really bug me. What about edibles?
[620] I haven't really done it.
[621] You don't fuck with edibles?
[622] Really?
[623] I haven't had anything for 10 years.
[624] Nothing.
[625] Zero.
[626] No alcohol, no weed, no nothing.
[627] Damn.
[628] Yeah.
[629] Ten years.
[630] Which was a big, well, after my accident as well, I was fed, you know, four months in a hospital being fed morphine every day for four months, and then being on all these bipolar.
[631] meds and everything else I honestly didn't want to put anything in my body when I got out I didn't even take painkillers when I got home now what kind of bipolar meds they put you on dude I don't even remember I was on like four or five just bipolar and then I mean I had like I had so many I probably had like 12 medications I got sent home with and I did it for about a week or two and then I went to see my doctor I'd actually overheard one of my friends talking who was like a brother to me and I had heard him talking to someone else and he was like yo like Travis seems a little different you know he seems a little bit slow or something and and I had overheard him he didn't know I overheard him but I was these meds I had been telling my doc still I was like I just don't feel like me I feel I don't know I feel weird and I just don't feel like myself so I just flushed him down the toilet one day and the next week I came back to see him and he's like how you doing I said good I'm off all of those meds you told me I'd be on for the rest of my life and they're like oh dude from what you've been through, like, it's okay to be on something like that.
[632] And I was like, yeah, I'm doing fine, though.
[633] Like, I don't need those, you know?
[634] So they wanted to put you on because of the plane crash?
[635] Yeah, they're like, don't shame yourself, you know, by giving yourself a hard time that you have to take these pills.
[636] And I said, well, you know, honestly, I don't feel like they're doing what they're supposed to for me. And they actually having, like, a negative effect on me, so I really don't want to take them, you know?
[637] They also told me I'd never run again.
[638] I'd never do this.
[639] I'd never do that again.
[640] So I think I just got to the point.
[641] I was like, let me see how many things I can prove otherwise that they've told me, you know, once I stopped taking the pills.
[642] Jesus.
[643] So they put you on bipolar medication because of a traumatic crash.
[644] Yeah.
[645] That seems odd to me. I mean, I'm not a doctor, obviously, but.
[646] Well, I was kind of crazy.
[647] You know, I was like suicidal when I was in the hospital.
[648] I was on so many drugs.
[649] I couldn't even, I didn't even know my friends had passed away.
[650] I didn't even know the two pilots had.
[651] passed away.
[652] I didn't remember anything.
[653] I kept thinking like everyone was in the hospital, including the two pilots, including my two best friends, NAM.
[654] I thought everyone was just in different rooms until about two weeks before I left.
[655] Wow.
[656] And then I went crazy.
[657] Then it was like they had a, you know, 5150 case on their hands.
[658] You know, I wasn't, I wasn't in a good place.
[659] So, yeah, then I did, I did a lot of, like, post -traumatic, like, therapy when I was in the hospital to kind of, like, things down once I got through all my surgeries and then yeah I mean over time it was it was cool but or it was never cool but I started to feel better you know um but yeah I think it was because I was so crazy at the time but that's it's interesting that that I would think that bipolar medication would be something that you would give someone who has like a condition that just is sort of pre -disposed to it I don't know anything about bipolar, but I would think that that's something that you just have, you know?
[660] It's like you have a mental condition.
[661] I wouldn't think that it would be something that they would give you to overcome a traumatic incident.
[662] Yeah, I think they were afraid I was going to be, I had like a mental condition after everything happened, you know?
[663] Do you think they think like maybe because you're an artist that you're probably a little crazy anyway?
[664] Possibly.
[665] Yeah.
[666] I mean, I think.
[667] But I was a mess too.
[668] Like, you know, like I had done, I'd smoke so much weed, you know.
[669] every day and I'd taken so many pills and I would self -medicate quite a bit that I woke up probably out of 11 at my 30 surgeries I had in the burn center I woke up swinging on doctors so because I would wake up and I would just I'd be opened up and I would just go crazy Jesus Christ so they're trying to get off the table yeah I would just try to get off the table I don't even think I really knew what was going on I just wasn't they couldn't give me enough medication to knock me out because I had been self -medicating for so long and abusing meds for so long.
[670] Wow.
[671] So you would get up from anesthesia?
[672] You would just wake up?
[673] In the middle of anesthesia.
[674] Yeah.
[675] So, yeah.
[676] Jesus Christ.
[677] That was a problem.
[678] How did you clean up?
[679] I think after, I think the last time I swung on a doctor, they were kind of like, you can't be here no more.
[680] And then I was like, wow, well, I need X amount of more surgeries.
[681] And I really was just fighting demons.
[682] You know, I just figured out, like, my two best friends had passed away and the pilots had passed away, and I was just, like, in an ugly place.
[683] And, you know, my kids couldn't come visit me because 65 % of my body was burnt, so I couldn't be around people.
[684] So I was just in it, man. And then I just, I don't know, I turned a corner.
[685] And then I was, like, a team player, and I don't think I was on as many meds.
[686] Most of my surgeries were over.
[687] and just learning how to walk again being able to take a shower by myself again all that stuff man I think that was just those were the good points that helped me turn the corner and I don't know I just had more strength you know yeah so wow so you just turned a corner in your mind and just sort of accepted it and yeah same with drugs like I didn't never do rehab or anything I think it was mainly my kids and just second life the second chance at life was enough for me I was like I don't I never want to do any of that stuff again you know that's cool so once you get a certain amount of distance between you and those days does it seem like like it wasn't even real it's wasn't you doing those things yeah you look back and you're just like yeah like I still talk to those doctors to this day like Dr. Grossman he's he's he's so awesome and he basically saved my life you know um but I still talk to him and he lives out here in the valley and he has Grossman burn center and i go over that christmas and and see burn you know burn victims that are over there in the in the burn center and help out any way i can but yeah that's great man yeah that's really cool yeah um many of my friends that i know that uh had real bad drug problems and then now are off drugs they look back and they go what i don't what the fuck was i doing like how did i do how was that me yeah it's interesting how that happens in your life you have these new chapters in your life and sometimes it could just be something that happened like two weeks ago and you're like who the fuck was that guy two weeks ago i'm not even him anymore yeah you know like you you get sometimes people make these abrupt turns in their life and then they go yeah i'm never going back and you go well we'll see and then you look 10 years later like wow you were right you never went back yeah yeah and i think like i still have have you ever heard of what's called like user dreams no where like i think I've fucked up and I'm smoking weed again.
[688] And then I wake up and I'm like, oh my God, how am I going to stop?
[689] Because I love smoking so much, you know?
[690] Or whatever your vice was, you know, if it was like, whatever it was, you know?
[691] Yeah, you're just like you wake up and you think you're doing it again.
[692] And then you realize, no, I'm all good.
[693] I used to have dreams like that where I had to go back to high school.
[694] Really?
[695] I used to have dreams for years, man. Did you hate high school?
[696] Fucking hated it.
[697] Me too.
[698] I don't think anyone likes it.
[699] Unless you're like, you know, soon to be a professor or fucking doctor or something.
[700] Well, I just had no idea what I wanted to do for a living.
[701] And I was just like, being trapped in a classroom constantly was excruciating.
[702] I must have had, I mean, I probably do have like some crazy form of ADD.
[703] I don't know.
[704] I've never been diagnosed.
[705] I never been to a shrink.
[706] But if I did, I mean, I'm sure they'd probably try to put me on something.
[707] Right.
[708] If I tried to tell them what's going on in my head all the time, they'd be like, Jesus, sit down.
[709] Hold on.
[710] Take these.
[711] Take these.
[712] Whatever you do, it's bad.
[713] But when I was in high school, I fucking hated it and I barely got by And then when I got out of high school I would have these dreams Where I would wake up in the middle of the night And I didn't have enough credits to graduate And I have to go back And then I was sitting there in my bed But before I woke up Trying to decide whether or not I was just gonna fucking drop out And not graduate from high school Not have a high school diploma Or go back and do another fucking year of hell And my guts would turn Then I'd wake up Oh my God, I graduated I graduated.
[714] Yeah, it was the worst.
[715] I was the same way, man. I just, like, just barely got by high school.
[716] Did you go to school out here?
[717] Well, I grew up in, like, Fontana.
[718] Okay.
[719] Riverside, Corona.
[720] Yeah, Fon tuckie.
[721] Shout out to double -dose moitai out there.
[722] Is there a good Mootai team out there?
[723] So people like to fight in Fontana.
[724] People like to fight everywhere.
[725] No, you either fight or play football.
[726] In Fontana?
[727] Yeah.
[728] Oh, you sell meth?
[729] Yep.
[730] But, yeah, I was the same way.
[731] Just, just skated by high school.
[732] And then I remember, I didn't even want to walk.
[733] I fucking hated it so much.
[734] I actually rode my skateboard with my friends that were, like, much older than me that I'd go skateboarding with every day.
[735] And we were skateboarding by the high school as everyone walked and got their diploma.
[736] That was just, fuck that.
[737] Yeah, they sent it to me, but.
[738] Me too.
[739] I didn't want to fucking be there.
[740] No, I didn't go to my graduation.
[741] I'm like, I'm gone.
[742] Yeah.
[743] Like, this is, once I got through, I'm like, you don't have me anymore.
[744] I can be free.
[745] It took me a while to figure out what the fuck to do next.
[746] Yeah, I would sit there and they would be like, so what do you want to do?
[747] Talk to counselors and I was like, I just want to play drums in a band, really.
[748] And they'd be like, well, that's not an option.
[749] Like, what college are you going to?
[750] And they would talk to me like I was like, just insane.
[751] Isn't that crazy that there's so many bands and there's so many drummers?
[752] Why is that not an option?
[753] Yeah.
[754] Why is that not an option?
[755] It'd be better if they just said, well, you know, like, I don't know if they motivated you to actually do what you're passionate about instead of just being well that's not going to happen so what do you want to do so many fucking people that probably wanted to be drummers and just never got a push and never never you know yeah never made it through but then there's the other argument that if you really want it you'll find a way yeah you got to do it I mean my dad used to tell me the same thing he'd be like you gotta have a plan B and I'd be like well if I have a plan B I'm not going to try that hard.
[756] I started thinking in my head.
[757] And then that's when I just said, nah, fuck that.
[758] Like, it's only this.
[759] No matter if I'm rich or poor, whatever the circumstances, this is what I'm doing.
[760] Like, I don't give a fuck what the outcome is.
[761] I think that's the right mindset.
[762] Yeah.
[763] I don't think people get by that well.
[764] Like, when I was just starting to do stand -up, there was a lot of guys who had full -time jobs and they got degrees and, you know, they would work their full -time job.
[765] and then they would just do stand -up like a couple nights a week they never made it yeah it was the obsessed guys and women the people that were just like i this is my fucking life this is what i do i'm gonna do this yeah those are the ones that do it the no safety net people are the ones that made it yeah i mean it's gonna fucking happen you just have to you have to stick with it you know i feel like the people who really stick with it and give it like 110 percent your time will come it's it however big or small it is something will happen, you know?
[766] Yeah.
[767] Yeah, if you figure it out and keep improving and keep learning and learn from your mistakes and learn from your setbacks and keep trying to push and get better and improve, if you do all those things, as hopeless and helpless as it seems, if you continue to improve, you've got to get to a better place.
[768] You've got to get better, and one day you'll be undeniable.
[769] And if you don't, and if you just fall back on that safety net, you're always going to wonder.
[770] Yeah.
[771] You know, you're always going to look at Travis Barker going, fucking ham on the drums, and going, shit, that could have been me. Dude, I almost did it.
[772] I actually, at one point, my pops, my pops is awesome, but he's like Vietnam vet and, you know, wrote a Harley his whole life.
[773] And he just basically said to me, he's like, yo, you got to start paying rent at the house because, you know, you're not in high school anymore.
[774] Or, and get, like, a 60 -hour -a -week job, like a real job.
[775] Or you need to go, you know, go fucking play drums, but you're not going to do it here in my garage.
[776] So I was like, okay, and it was probably the best thing that was ever said to me, you know, as harsh as it was or whatever.
[777] And then I had actually caved in and I just told my friend, Noel, I was like, you know what?
[778] I think I'm just going to, I'm going to get this fucking job because I just somehow got a job that made, you know, in a warehouse.
[779] It was like Target warehouse, making pretty good money compared to what I was making at the time.
[780] And he hit me the next day and he's like, I think you're making a big mistake.
[781] I think you're very fucking talented and I think you'll regret this.
[782] and you can get this bullshit job any time down the line come live with me on you know stay at my house you can sleep on the floor of the couch and let's play in this fucking band and do it and i did it you know i was like a trash man in laguna beach lived in like this studio apartment with a couple of guys and i just fucking took off like i had to like i mean there was like humility too you know there was like playing bar after bar and you know you know but i was eating i was eating i was I was skateboarding every day and I was living at the beach playing in a band with my friends so for me I had already made it Those are the best stories Yeah They're the best stories And I think back even to this day I go to Laguna sometimes I'm like wow that was kind of One of the best moments of my life Besides my children being born Like poor, no money But like happy as fuck Like can't even think of another time I was that happy You know?
[783] It's cool The only pressure Is the pressure of trying to succeed there's not the pressure of already succeeding and the overwhelming pressure that you must experience now.
[784] Yeah.
[785] Those are great stories, man. Yeah.
[786] The stories are like where you didn't know if it was going to work.
[787] Yeah, you figured it out.
[788] Those stories right now, some kids are listening to those stories right now, listening to you say this.
[789] And they're like, fuck, man, I'm going to do it.
[790] I'm going to go for it.
[791] Like, who knows how many rock stars you're making right now just saying this?
[792] Yeah, because a lot of them are teeter -tottering.
[793] Am I going to do it?
[794] Am I not going to do it?
[795] I mean, I was at the time, you know, and you just have to, you know, don't worry about being cool or being fucking rich or having money, just be passionate about what you're passionate about and fucking dedicate 100%, you know?
[796] Yeah, there's those moments, man, when you're first starting out anything where it's not sure.
[797] Yeah.
[798] It's not a, it's not a definite thing.
[799] You're in this weird limbo space like, man, am I going to be a loser my whole life?
[800] Like, what's going to happen to me?
[801] And those moments, man, when you look back.
[802] And you realize you could have quit, but you kept going, you figured it out, you sucked it up.
[803] Yeah.
[804] You worked your way through it.
[805] You improved.
[806] You kept moving.
[807] Yeah.
[808] Yeah, that's life, man. Yeah.
[809] That's what defines you, man. Yeah, it really does.
[810] I just love those fucking stories.
[811] I can never get enough of them, man. Yeah.
[812] The dirty, grimy, and then finally you make it story.
[813] Yeah.
[814] They're the best.
[815] Dude, you're running out of space to tattoo.
[816] I'm going to tell you right now.
[817] I'm actually getting tattoos.
[818] on top of tattoos.
[819] That's outrageous.
[820] Yeah, I just got this LLJ for XXXX.
[821] I'm going to get it.
[822] I'm working on some new ones.
[823] I've decided to go back in.
[824] You're kind of like remixing them at this point, you know, like getting tattoos on top of tattoos.
[825] Have you ever gotten lasered?
[826] Yeah, once.
[827] I had like a new wife and I had divorced my ex -wife and she wasn't really stoked on the ex -wife's name on me. Yeah, that seems like a problem.
[828] Yeah, so I lasered it because it was right on my neck and she always had to see it and then um but that's the only time i've ever done it there's nothing on me i really want to get rid of where i'm like oh that it's all a story to me it all tells a story it's like a moment in time and i got it for a reason but i was trying to be cool and you know what i mean trying to be respectful and make her happy at the time that makes sense yeah i mean it was amazing she hung in there all the way to being married with another chick's name on your neck yeah that's a true woman true in that regard yeah Yeah.
[829] But yeah, I love tattoos, man. They're addicting.
[830] Yeah, I love them too.
[831] Once I figured out they didn't hurt at the age of 15, it was on.
[832] I didn't, you know.
[833] Yeah, it's like, fuck.
[834] But people tell you, they're like, oh, it's so painful.
[835] Yeah.
[836] And then you get one, you're like, wait a minute.
[837] It's not so bad.
[838] This is like, it's kind of like a slight burn.
[839] Yeah.
[840] It's like, mm -hmm.
[841] Kind of therapeutic, too.
[842] Yeah, I don't that bad.
[843] I fell asleep while I was getting tattooed.
[844] Same.
[845] Same.
[846] When I did my back piece, I fell asleep.
[847] And I had two artists working on me at the same time.
[848] Oh, wow.
[849] Just because I fucking hate wasting time.
[850] So, yeah, they did my back together.
[851] They did my head together, too.
[852] Yeah, the head's impressive.
[853] Let me see the head.
[854] Let me see what that looks like.
[855] When did you get that done?
[856] I did my head like, I don't know, six years ago.
[857] Wow.
[858] Yeah.
[859] Yeah, I started, I had like a piece on the side of my head that Mr. Cartoon did back in the day.
[860] I love that guy's work.
[861] Yeah, cartoon is such a legend.
[862] He's got great shit.
[863] He is a legend.
[864] Yeah, he's a legend.
[865] Even outside of tattooing, like low -rider culture.
[866] He's one of the illest.
[867] But, yeah, he did that.
[868] And then that kind of set it off.
[869] I always had like praying hands on the side of my head.
[870] And then I shaved my head and I've never grown my hair out since.
[871] Because I'm like, fuck it.
[872] It's a permanent haircut.
[873] Right.
[874] You know?
[875] What is up there?
[876] It's hard to see what will shine.
[877] I have like Virgin Mary right there.
[878] Oh, wow.
[879] I think I have like a rose.
[880] You think?
[881] The skull.
[882] Yeah, I don't know.
[883] You got a lot of tattoos.
[884] I got a what's on my head.
[885] I have like a transplant, gas mask on the back of my head.
[886] I have one life, one chance.
[887] Yeah.
[888] And then like some writing.
[889] Wow.
[890] Now when you got burned, did it affect your tattoos?
[891] Did you have to tattoo over it?
[892] Yeah.
[893] So I lost all of my tattoos on my legs.
[894] Wow.
[895] Yes.
[896] I lost my first tattoo ever, which was a Dag Nasty tattoo.
[897] This is a hardcore band.
[898] punk band that I loved forever and a bones tattoo which was my nickname growing up but I lost everything on my legs so then they do like they do what's called like grafting so they oh and I lost some tattoos from my back so they take it's like a cheese grater and they grade all of your skin off your back and my thighs and then they staple it to you with pig cadaver and they wait for you to start healing so yeah So I lost a lot of tattoos, and then I did, like, on my thighs, you can't really see.
[899] I did memorials for, for little Chris, Che and DJ AM, who all passed away in the accident.
[900] So I put them on my legs over the graph, so you can't really see it.
[901] But, yeah, I mean, I got out pretty well, man. Like, I mean, you can kind of see it on my hand.
[902] My hand, you can see it's discolored and stuff.
[903] But for having almost 70 % of my body burnt, like, you can't really tell.
[904] That's amazing.
[905] You can't really tell it all because you're so tattooed up.
[906] That the pain of healing burns is supposed to be excruciating.
[907] It's the fucking worst thing ever.
[908] Well, for me, too, I mean, I don't think you guys ever think about being burnt.
[909] I know I didn't.
[910] Right.
[911] I would just be like, I don't know, I'd just never think about fire until you're on fire.
[912] And then you're like, oh, shit.
[913] And then the, you know, the treatments afterwards to, like, do everything.
[914] you know like they would put me in this big pan that was literally about as big as this table with different people all around you and they would scrape all my burns with a metal brush to get rid of all the infection because I had I basically when I when I jumped through the emergency exit when I opened the emergency exit before the plane blew up I was in such a hurry to get out of the plane and exit the plane I jumped right into the jet which is full of fuel so my whole body lit up you know so i had jet fuel just in my whole body like i burped jet fuel for almost like three months oh god so they had like that was the main thing to get rid of the infection is they scrub you with a metal brush to get rid of all of it and all of the dead skin and then and then i did about 30 surgeries to to repair everything like skin graft surgeries they saved my foot because at one point they were going to amputate my right foot yeah it was wild I have pictures It was that burnt That they were going to have to amputate it My right foot almost didn't make it Was it because the way it was Necrosis or like what was going on That they were going to amputate it I think because that was the thing that was most soaked Was my shoes and socks When I jumped into the jets You know And I had done like I had exited the plane I had started running I had started like ripping off my clothes Just that's what my instinct told me It's just get rid of everything but little did I know I would still be on fire because the jet fuel was you know I was soaked in it so I'm actually running towards a highway highway is right on the side of me and I just hear some guy yell like stop drop and roll and it just like I heard it out of all this chaos of every sirens and everything and I stopped drop and rolled and the only thing that was still on fire was my feet and AM came and patted them out so I think they were on fire the longest too so still like my I think my right foot is probably like over 50 % of it's a graft.
[915] Wow.
[916] Yeah.
[917] It's wild.
[918] But, yeah, that was like I never, like I said, I never even thought about it.
[919] It's not something you think about until it happens to you.
[920] But being burnt is like a, it's horrific, you know.
[921] Were you affected by the recent fires out here?
[922] It came about a couple hundred yards from one of my houses.
[923] Oh, wow.
[924] But I was in Vegas.
[925] I was actually playing a show.
[926] We left that morning.
[927] and then we got phone calls saying you had to evacuate and your kids were with you thank God yeah the kids my dog was with me my housekeeper was at the house so she was able to get the rest of our dogs out and yeah we were as long as I had them there with me you know I was like everything else is replaceable it's whatever but yeah that was sketchy I mean you saw obviously you live very close by too yeah we got evacuated yeah we got evacuated while we evacuate ourselves before they had a mandatory at two in the morning.
[928] I came back from the comedy store.
[929] My wife and I were looking out the window and the flames are coming over the hill and I said, no one's gonna save us here.
[930] I go, you know, we have to figure out what the fuck we're gonna do.
[931] And she's like, I think we should go.
[932] And I said, all right, I think you're right.
[933] And we just got a hotel room and we just bailed.
[934] Yeah.
[935] And I just grabbed, I literally grabbed my laptop and I think that's it.
[936] And some clothes.
[937] And then the kids are a little freaked out, but I said, look, we're here.
[938] We're all right.
[939] like we could buy more shit yeah like the dog's fine we're fine that's how I was too I was like let it burn yeah you know I mean I don't want it to burn obviously but rather than you being hurt like fuck man this is this is it's an inconvenience when you lose your house it's a horrific tragedy when you lose your life you know we're not we're gonna get the fuck out of here yeah and so they were freaked out but within a day or two I mean we stayed in a hotel for a week but within a day or two they were cool we're laughing about it same we did the same thing it came came home but did not really home you know just lived at a hotel for a week but yeah he felt kind of helpless like you couldn't do much you know it's not like i could sit there and and put out the fire myself you know they wouldn't even let us in our community yeah same here for people that weren't around here they they don't know how crazy it was but the sky was filled with smoke everywhere you looked was smoke i mean all of LA was filled with smoke.
[940] It was, I've never, we were, we stayed in Beverly Hills at the Waldorf and you look out the balcony window and it's just fucking gray, just smoke everywhere.
[941] Yeah.
[942] I've never seen fires like that before.
[943] Never in my life.
[944] Neither.
[945] And I always see we're on high alert.
[946] Yeah.
[947] You know, I'd see it like my kids are, or, or, are at school over in Malibu, we're really close to there.
[948] And I always see high alert, but nothing's ever really happened.
[949] You know, there's been like small fires, but that was horrific.
[950] That was just, it looked like Hiroshima in our neighborhood.
[951] Like, you know, airplanes flying really low, dropping like fire retardant.
[952] Yeah.
[953] It was crazy.
[954] Bill Burr flies helicopters.
[955] He's got his helicopter license, and we took a flight around Malibu, around Point Doom, and you go over there and you see these massive estates just burnt to the ground, these gorgeous houses with the perfect view on the bluff overlooking the ocean.
[956] Gone.
[957] Huge lots.
[958] You know, $20 million houses, gone.
[959] Just burnt to the ground.
[960] And there's so many of them And then like one house standing there One house out of just random That's how it was in our neighborhood too Like a house caught fire But nothing near it caught fire It's weird Yeah some shit will fly through the air Land on someone's house And if you have like Pine needles or something on your roof Or a flammable roof Yeah You know It just catches on fire Was it a campfire that started?
[961] It's called campfire But I don't think it was a campfire That was the name of the fire I don't think, I don't know what the fuck the cause of that fire was.
[962] Jamie, see if you can find that out.
[963] Do you know what it is?
[964] No, I think they've been trying to blame, or blame has been put on, like, different utility companies and whatnot, and they're not taking the blame where they can prove that it wasn't them, and it's been being passed around.
[965] I don't know that anybody knows yet from what I've been looking at.
[966] Yeah.
[967] It's fucking crazy, though, man. When I was in Boulder, there was a giant fire that broke out that was a fireman accidentally started.
[968] A fire, yeah, he had a fire pit in his business.
[969] backyard and some fucking embers blew out of his fire pit and started a giant fire and just burnt massive amounts of wild forest is just gone damn yeah a fireman imagine how that of all people yeah he must have felt like shit it mean anybody's I mean just couldn't fucking imagine if it was your fault that one of these things got started oh yeah the guilt I would I wouldn't be sleeping for weeks the craziest shit is northern california yeah northern california got it way we got it bad down here worse than i've ever seen but they got it way worse in northern california yeah northern california they lost like a shitload of people died on the highway that's what i saw man you see those photos yeah oh man fuck man yeah you know and sad a lot of this is because of you mean there's a lot of issues right there's the the dry um you know the fact the dry climate the fact that you know, there's climate change is happening, but also the fact that there's no small fires.
[970] Like, all those dead trees are supposed to get knocked down by small fires, like controlled fires.
[971] Yeah.
[972] And those that doesn't really happen anymore.
[973] We don't want small fires that can possibly get out of hand.
[974] And so you have these forests that are oftentimes filled with dead trees right next to live trees and a lot of dead trees all over the place.
[975] Wow, so they're supposed to do, that's like maintenance, burning like the small dead ones before.
[976] There's, I mean, some people advocate doing it for maintenance, but in nature, that's like a natural thing.
[977] Like, a lightning would hit, light something shit on fire, and the live trees would probably survive, and a lot of the dead ones would burn to the ground, and it would actually regenerate the forest.
[978] Yeah.
[979] Yeah, I mean, the crazy thing is, like, you look how fucking lush and green it looks out here now.
[980] Yeah.
[981] Like, you would never imagine that just a few months ago, this was a raging inferno.
[982] It actually is good for the ground.
[983] Yeah.
[984] You know, when all that carbon...
[985] It still smells like fire, too, right now, right?
[986] Every time it rains, it's starting to get a little bit better, but...
[987] Does it freak you out when you see fire now because of your accident?
[988] Yeah, it took a little while for us to have pyro again.
[989] Oh, yeah.
[990] I remember it was like, we had just got back together.
[991] And, like, this really, really, like, killer, like, photographer had this idea to do this photo shoot, and they wanted us holding, like, the, what's some I call it, the thing, like the flares in an accent.
[992] And he got me to hold it for a second And I was like, oh, bro, I can't do this Like wrong photo shoot Like I'm sorry, you know, I know you have this vision But I That's an insensitive vision Yeah And he kind of knew Yeah, right That would have been a little bit more fitting But and then And now we do pyro Stuff on stage and production It doesn't really bug me But I'm very cautious around the house Like with you know My daughter, she has like a straight iron plugged in or for my son, whatever, lights a candle.
[993] Like, I'm so crazy about it.
[994] Yeah, I can imagine.
[995] Fires, we're a little weird.
[996] So, I have to ask you, does Tom talk about UFOs all the time?
[997] Well, you know he's not in the band no more.
[998] Yeah, I know.
[999] But did you always do that?
[1000] He always did.
[1001] We used to get loaded and just look out the bus window for a way.
[1002] And I used to do it with him as like, I don't know, it's kind of a bonding experience.
[1003] It's like, if you wanted to show me bow and arrows, whatever, and we're on tour together.
[1004] Of course, I'd say.
[1005] sit there and like, you know, check it out.
[1006] So with Tom, that was his thing, like, fucking, let's get high and look for UFOs.
[1007] So we would.
[1008] You know, we just sit there and, like, stare out the bus window, look at UFOs.
[1009] Or, like, he would even go as far as when we're on tour, like, let's go and fucking look for Bigfoot, whatever it was, you know?
[1010] And he would assemble a crew and they would go do it.
[1011] Oh, my God.
[1012] He never got me on one of those trips, because that was just too fairy tale for me. But I would, you know, I'd do that.
[1013] And he was always, it's really not.
[1014] something he just got into from the day i fucking met him he was obsessed with UFOs and aliens and was always very passionate about it to the point where like i didn't know enough to to have any kind of i guess like opinion on it that was just very open and and you know just took it all in yeah but nothing has changed he's still the other day i talked to him he's like i'm on the way to the fucking white house bro and i don't ask any questions i'd be like as you should be you know whatever like let's fucking go as you should be what a great response yeah good luck with that yeah wow that's crazy yeah he was a trip man having a conversation with him was very strange because almost part of me was like this guy putting me on like what is happening here he's dead ass dead ass seemed like it and we would look at these videos that were so clearly horse shit and he would be like amazing right and they're like what like you think that that's an actual UFO Like that is the fakes fucking video I've ever seen in my life Yeah But he didn't see that at all Yeah In his mind He was seeing A real alien spaceship Even on tour I'd be like He'd walk in my room And he'd be like What are you doing And I'm like Oh check this thing out I just made up Whatever playing drums He'd be like Dude fucking Whatever George Bush just did You know He's just coming at me With some like Politics He's been watching CNN or Or yeah Like he's just He's always been obsessed with it So he's obsessed with All sorts of like Hidden things like not just UFOs but Bigfoot too and conspiracy theories politics yeah everything very very passionate about all those things conspiracy theories and politics it's interesting how those things go together because people who are always wondering like who the fuck is running things what's really going on what's happening behind the scenes who's pulling the strings what does it all really mean yeah you know yeah but the UFO thing.
[1015] It's like, boy, boy, you got a, I mean, I absolutely believe there could be intelligent life out there, but I haven't seen a fucking single thing that makes me think that anybody's got a picture or a video.
[1016] Yeah, I feel like it could, it could be real, I believe, but I'm not, I can't fucking, I'm not dedicating my life to search for it, you know?
[1017] Yeah.
[1018] And I give it to him, man, to like, honestly, to walk away from your fucking very successful band to go do that shit.
[1019] Like, I have nothing but respect for his passion But it's like I couldn't do that That's insane Yeah it's like that just It really shows like he's You know He's very very passionate about it I hope he saved up some money Yeah me too You know Survivor Man Less Troud Nah He's uh you ever see that show Uh uh fucking great show He uh would Survivor Man would go Uh out into the woods With a limited amount of things He would say like okay, I've got this bucket, I've got a fucking pocket knife, and I got a ball of yarn, and I'm going to survive out here for seven days.
[1020] And he films the whole thing, and he'd be filming himself, like, eating frogs and catching a squirrel and finding edible plants and just living out in the forest, and oftentimes going days and days without food.
[1021] And then he would have, like, a point where he'd get rescued seven days in.
[1022] There would be a spot where they would meet him.
[1023] um he had an experience when he was in alaska a long time ago where he was camping and he said he heard footsteps like big heavy footsteps and he heard some sound it sounded like a gorilla like like something like that yeah and uh and then it ran off and to this day he's convinced that that was a big foot and so now he has survivor man bigfoot and he goes out into the woods and he goes out into the woods and just looks for evidence of Sasquatch.
[1024] Whoa, he needs to hit up Tom.
[1025] Tom will pull up and he'll go with it and he would love that.
[1026] I'm sure he would.
[1027] Fuck.
[1028] Yeah, he's tried to get me to go with them.
[1029] I'm like, good luck.
[1030] I did it one time.
[1031] I went hunting for Bigfoot for a television show.
[1032] I did for sci -fi called Joe Rogan Questions Everything.
[1033] We went looking for Bigfoot.
[1034] And the more I talked to these Bigfoot folks, the more I was convinced none of these motherfuckers have ever seen Bigfoot.
[1035] There was one lady that I talked.
[1036] to one lady who just did not seem like a liar and she was telling me that she saw something in the woods and it was standing up and it was tall like seven eight feet tall and she's like why is there a gorilla in the woods and then she's like oh my god that's pigfoot and it was the pacific northwest like outside of uh washington state or in washington state outside of seattle and the woods are so dense up there that if anything goes 10 20 feet it's gone the problem with that is that there's black bears up there and black bears sometimes stand up on two feet they do it all a time and if you saw a black foot especially a black bear rather especially from the distance you would think it was a big gorilla if they're standing up on two feet which they do do especially when they're trying to see something they'll stand up and they'll even walk there's a lot of videos of them walking on two feet damn just on their hind legs you ever seen it nah that's crazy i could see how that would resemble a big foot yeah so i think i don't think that lady's a liar i just i don't she might I mean, look, it might be real.
[1037] There might be a few of them left.
[1038] There definitely was a thing called Gigantopithecus that lived in Asia.
[1039] And the thought is that it came across the Bering Land Bridge, the same time that Native Americans came across from Asia.
[1040] And that they came across, because they lived in Asia and this gigantopithecus, I think lived as recently, I think as 100 ,000 years ago.
[1041] I think the most recent fossils they have of it, which is, you know, human beings were alive back then.
[1042] Yeah.
[1043] And this thing was a six, or an eight to ten foot tall bipedal hominid.
[1044] So it was a huge, huge ape -like creature.
[1045] So check this out.
[1046] This is, look at this bear.
[1047] Is that the craziest shit ever?
[1048] Wow.
[1049] Bear's walking on two legs.
[1050] Look at them.
[1051] Wow.
[1052] Like, if you saw that, you'd be like.
[1053] Yeah.
[1054] Yeah, you can mistake that.
[1055] Oh, my God, it's a fucking big foot.
[1056] Especially if you believe the hype and you're searching for Bigfoot out there.
[1057] Yes.
[1058] Yeah.
[1059] Or if you're on shrooms.
[1060] Yeah.
[1061] I mean, if you're walking around, if you're high on mushrooms, you're like, oh, my God, big foot's real.
[1062] Look at that thing.
[1063] He's like, hey, how you doing?
[1064] Oh, he's got a hurt right foot.
[1065] That's what that is.
[1066] You see his right foot?
[1067] There's something wrong with his right foot.
[1068] Sometimes, yeah, it looks like he's missing his front paw.
[1069] It says sometimes, you know, bears will fight with each other, and one bear will bite the other bear's foot off.
[1070] Or he could have gotten shot or he could have broke it off on something.
[1071] Yeah.
[1072] That's crazy.
[1073] Yeah, he's missing a foot.
[1074] so he's he's walking around out there like a gorilla but everybody else i was like when i'm talking to them they're like living in make -believe world here's another one walking around look at him wow that is weird man those are big ass bears too big ass bears too big ass bears chilling on two i mean look they look like fucking people man i think that is a a big reason why and they're they're feeding them that is so crazy where is that that doesn't seem like america South Korea is it South Korea yeah wow oh so that's one of those wildlife parks where the animals are all and you're in a car yeah that's like fake wildlife I mean wildlife but not really wild yeah have you ever see that video where the lady was in China and they were in one of those parks and she got in a fight with her boyfriend just she got out of the car and she got killed by a tiger no oh she actually she didn't get killed her mom got killed she's more fucked up because her mom came out to rescue her she got snatched by the tiger and then her mom watch this shit this is crazy oh no there's a video of it she's like fuck you i'm fucking walking and they're like hey listen bitch get back in the fucking car there's tigers out here she's like no no no fuck you and fuck him and fuck you and the tiger just grabs her snatches her out so the guy runs out and then the mom runs out and apparently the mom got killed so here comes the mom that lady wound up dying yeah and there's a park ranger's like shit yeah when you get snatched up by a 600 pound cat Did you hear about that fucking dude in Colorado today?
[1075] He killed a mountain lion with his bare hands.
[1076] He smothered it to death.
[1077] Yeah.
[1078] It jacked him while he was jogging or he was running on the trails.
[1079] The mountain lion grabbed him from behind.
[1080] He got to struggle with his 80 -pound cat and wound up suffocating it.
[1081] I can see this fucking badass jogger.
[1082] Yeah, I want to know what the jogger looked like.
[1083] Just holding that motherfucker by his neck.
[1084] Fuck you.
[1085] Fuck you.
[1086] It would have to be like Derek Lewis or someone, you know.
[1087] I can't picture anyone else being able to do that.
[1088] Maybe he's a jiu -jitsu guy.
[1089] Yeah, we see him.
[1090] I've seen him when my kids were really young in Calabasas where I live.
[1091] I saw one like just pacing back and forth in my back fence.
[1092] Oh, Jesus.
[1093] Yeah.
[1094] They're out here, man. They're out here.
[1095] I mean, we see coyotes and deer all the time.
[1096] But mountain lions, that's next level scary.
[1097] Yeah.
[1098] A friend of mine just sent me a message this morning when I was, when I posted that thing on Instagram about that guy that killed it.
[1099] And he said he was running.
[1100] on this fire road and he realized he like felt weird and looked over and 20 feet away from him was a big cat right above him on this ridge 20 feet so that's basically us to that wall yeah big cat just looking and he said he waved his arms to look bigger and the thing just walked away like uh I carry a knife when I run I carry a fucking uh half face blades it's got a like a loop You could stick your thumb into it so it stays in your hand.
[1101] And people are like, why are you running with a knife?
[1102] What the fuck are you doing?
[1103] Like, you don't need it until you do.
[1104] Yeah.
[1105] And when you do, you want to have it.
[1106] Didn't someone get attacked by a coyote in Hidden Hills, like running?
[1107] Did they?
[1108] I don't know.
[1109] I had heard a story about that, but I mean, I've ran in my neighborhood before, and two coyotes ran right past me. I mean, they're creeps.
[1110] Yeah, they usually don't mess with, like, humans, you know?
[1111] Well, we had a problem with them killing chickens.
[1112] because I have chickens in my yard.
[1113] Yeah.
[1114] I've lost a bunch of chickens to coyotes where they were on top of the chicken coop, pulling tiles off of it.
[1115] They're creepy little fuckers, man. Yeah.
[1116] But they're little.
[1117] You know, these are like 35, 45 pounds.
[1118] They're not very big, but they're creepy.
[1119] They're something about, they're little wolves, and they're looking at you and they're trying to figure out a way.
[1120] Like, what can they eat?
[1121] What can't they eat?
[1122] They're out there scraping, scraping and grinding.
[1123] They're sneaky.
[1124] Yeah.
[1125] Gangster.
[1126] Like, I saw one of my friends, a dear friend of mine, he lost both of his dogs to coyotes.
[1127] and he had, I think he had, like, surveillance of it.
[1128] And one is in the yard, and he's playing dead.
[1129] And then his dogs approach what they think is dead.
[1130] And then basically, like, his homie comes out of nowhere and attacks.
[1131] And they both, and the one that's playing dead attacks, and both of his dogs were a rap.
[1132] How big were his dogs?
[1133] Small.
[1134] I mean, they were smaller dogs, but now he has, like, big German shepherds, and he's, you know, he's kind of, like, got bigger dogs now.
[1135] But it was really sad, man. It is sad.
[1136] But they're very tactical, like very, very crazy.
[1137] Yeah, they figure out some way to work and cooperate together without communicating.
[1138] It's very interesting.
[1139] Like, if it wasn't so sad that they're killing someone's pet, it's really kind of fascinating that they're so smart that they would play dead.
[1140] There was a guy that used to work at this pet store that I go to.
[1141] And he also worked in a veterinary center, medical place, and a pit bull came in, one of those big jerks.
[1142] Jack Pit Bulls just covered in cuts.
[1143] It cuts all over its body.
[1144] And the owner was, you know, they asked the owner, like, what the fuck happening?
[1145] He goes, I don't know.
[1146] He goes, I came home.
[1147] He's covered in cuts.
[1148] I really have no idea what happened to him.
[1149] So they stitched the dog up, like hundreds of stitches all over the dog's body.
[1150] Then he takes a walk outside of his house and he follows his dog's blood.
[1151] And he goes up into the hills near his house and he finds nine dead coyotes.
[1152] Wow.
[1153] That pit bull was gangster.
[1154] apparently He just went on a tear And he said it looked like Vietnam It looked like a fucking Like saving private Ryan Just ripped apart coyotes Nine of them This motherfucker just went mauling Yeah They must have been so bummed out They're like we're gonna get this dog Yeah there's nine of us We're good, we're good We got this guy Yeah And then you see this Fucking fire hydrant head Just That doesn't feel pain They've engineered those things Like there's some pit bulls There's this pit bull If you go on Instagram I think it's I am the Hulk That's the name of the pit It's a 200 pound pit bull Like they've gotten them To 200 pounds now It's the most preposterous Thing you've ever seen In your life It looks like Like Brock Lesner If it was a pit bull It's like it doesn't even Make any sense You look at it like that A pit bull used to be Like a 35 pound dog They used to be small Yeah Look at that thing What in the fuck?
[1155] Imagine if a coyote saw that fuck yeah those bull mastiffs are fucking scary too look at the size of that thing yeah i had a mastiff he passed away recently he was 13 years old yeah we had to put him down man it was really sad he was he was a great dog mastiffs are so sweet like look at the size of that fucking dog man Fuck.
[1156] Just yoke, too.
[1157] It's a crazy 200 -pound pit bull.
[1158] It's just so crazy that they make them that big now.
[1159] Like a 100 -pound pit bull used to be a big...
[1160] I had a 90 -pound one.
[1161] It was a big dog.
[1162] And I was like, wow, that's a big pit bull.
[1163] I'm like, yeah, it's a big pit bull.
[1164] This dog's 110 pounds bigger.
[1165] It doesn't even make any sense.
[1166] Wow.
[1167] It's a fucking tank.
[1168] Yeah, but that's one of my favorite coyote death stories.
[1169] this guy going up into the hills and find all these dead coyotes just laying in a pile.
[1170] They try to ambush them.
[1171] What they would do, they try to get one to come out and try to get chased.
[1172] And then the one would run, and then the other ones would jump it.
[1173] They're like a gang, straight up.
[1174] That's crazy that they think like that, though.
[1175] They actually have strategies.
[1176] They're savages.
[1177] Yeah.
[1178] Well, that's like the downside of living in the suburbs.
[1179] The upside is you get a nice yard and you get a little view.
[1180] Yeah.
[1181] Yeah, I love getting away from the city or like, you know, it's like studio or just chaos, whatever, just going home and being home.
[1182] Yeah, me too.
[1183] It's nice.
[1184] Do you keep a place up in Big Bear anywhere?
[1185] I don't.
[1186] You ever go up there?
[1187] I don't really like traveling.
[1188] Really?
[1189] No, after my accident, I fucking hate traveling.
[1190] Wow.
[1191] Like, I'll go on tour, but I won't even look at an itinerary before I go on tour.
[1192] I just kind of like, just tell me where to go.
[1193] I'll be up.
[1194] I'll be where I need to be.
[1195] But, yeah, like, I don't want to.
[1196] And I don't fly.
[1197] You know, I haven't flown since my accident.
[1198] Oh, wow.
[1199] So all your touring you do is by bus?
[1200] Yeah, by bus.
[1201] And then I'll take the Queen Mary 2 to Europe.
[1202] But...
[1203] No way!
[1204] Yeah.
[1205] Do you take a boat to Europe?
[1206] Yeah.
[1207] Imagine if your boat sunk.
[1208] I know.
[1209] On a fucking float raft going, Motherfucker.
[1210] Yeah.
[1211] Trust me. But, you know what?
[1212] I'd rather be on the fucking raft than fucking plummeting into the ocean at 100 miles per hour or whatever.
[1213] Yeah, I feel you.
[1214] That's crazy.
[1215] How long?
[1216] Like Laguna for like quick getaways like you know just chill out with the family so if you guys have a gig in new york city you have to start your journey five days early yeah wow yeah but it's cool the kids and i get to see a lot of stuff we don't normally see yeah but i got to really think about it like like that fucking fire festival yeah that they had booked us on and i was like i'm so glad because i would have had to drive five or six days you know to florida to fort lauderdale then get in a boat and and then, you know, get over to the Bahamas.
[1217] So thank God, man, because I was literally on my way there.
[1218] Wow.
[1219] So when you do that, do you actually drive yourself or do you have someone drive you?
[1220] No, I'd be white knuckling driving the tour bus.
[1221] Have you driven to tour bus?
[1222] It's fucking scary, man. Well, you're driving like this, right?
[1223] Yeah, I've done it like when I was 19 or like 20 when I was on a tour, the driver let me drive.
[1224] And it was the scariest fucking thing.
[1225] I was like, take the fucking wheel, man. This is so scary.
[1226] Like a white knuckling.
[1227] like just being in control, being responsible over that big of a bus and all of my homies or, you know, all your friends are sleeping in it.
[1228] Oh, yeah.
[1229] So it's like, oh gosh, man, I give it.
[1230] Bus drivers are, that's a hard fucking job, you know.
[1231] It's a hard fucking job.
[1232] And they drive for, you know, I think, you know, we usually do eight to ten hour days a day in bus.
[1233] It's a long time.
[1234] It is a long time.
[1235] It's quite a drive.
[1236] And, you know, they have to stay awake and maintain their focus.
[1237] And I don't know about you, but when I see those white, lines, something about that, it's not good for me. I start non...
[1238] Yeah, it's like hypnotizing it's right?
[1239] It is hypnotizing for me. I could do like two or three hours and I'm cool.
[1240] I don't want to...
[1241] Exactly.
[1242] You know?
[1243] San Diego is about as far as I want to drive.
[1244] Yeah, they're built different.
[1245] Yeah.
[1246] And I know fuck, you know, they say it's way more dangerous to be on the road in a bus or in a car than being a plane, but I don't know one day.
[1247] I always say like if my kids want to fly one day, maybe I'll be down.
[1248] Yeah.
[1249] But the thought of me leaving to go play some show or do something cool and something happening while they're at home like fucks me up.
[1250] Right.
[1251] So I don't really do it.
[1252] I know what you mean.
[1253] I can only imagine.
[1254] I mean, I don't think anybody's ever going to be able to understand what you've gone through with that kind of an ordeal.
[1255] A plane crash where your friends died and the pilots are dead and you managed to get out alive but almost lost your foot and burned half your body plus, you know, fuck, man. It's crippling, but I try not to let it be too much.
[1256] much of a handicap you know besides like my traveling but seemed like you seem like you've got to work around yeah you figured it out yeah but australia can go fuck itself huh i wish i could go i fuck dude i love australia i love japan fuck i love japan yeah do you guys go there for ufc fights yeah have been i fucking love it there we did a ufc in in uh Tokyo once it was great i honestly wanted to move there really yeah i loved it so much you know david lee roth moved there for a while yeah he he moved there to take sword fighting classes fuck yeah moved there with his dog got an apartment he is the have you ever talked to him no he is one of the trippiest fucking guy i just got a message really recently that he wanted to talk to me and so they gave me a phone number for him i sent him a text message and never heard back it's like i might have to call him like i don't know i don't want to miss it out so if dave if you're listening i tried twice but he said he wanted to get a hold of me for something and they they gave him a number they gave me a number to get a hold of him but he's one of the more interesting people i've ever talked to in my life.
[1257] He worked as an EMT for a while when he'd just gotten out of Van Halen.
[1258] Really?
[1259] Yes.
[1260] Like, an actual EMT, like helping people like in New York.
[1261] And people are like, are you fucking David Lee Roth?
[1262] And be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're getting you in the ambulance.
[1263] Like, keep it together.
[1264] They were like strapping people to a gurney when they had accidents and shit and fucking day, imagine you get in a car accident and fucking David Lee Roth is going to help you.
[1265] You're like, what?
[1266] What am I?
[1267] I must be dead.
[1268] Yeah.
[1269] This isn't real life.
[1270] Imagine?
[1271] Wow.
[1272] Fucking David Lee Roth.
[1273] Like, you're going to be fine, buddy.
[1274] That's legendary.
[1275] I love that.
[1276] He's a trip.
[1277] Yeah, that'd be a great interview.
[1278] Move to Japan with his dog.
[1279] Just hung out there.
[1280] I go, what are you doing?
[1281] He's like, I'm taking Kendo lessons.
[1282] He's taking sword fighting lessons from a Japanese master.
[1283] Whoa.
[1284] So every day he'd be taking fucking Kendo.
[1285] Sick.
[1286] He's the real deal, man. Yeah.
[1287] He's the real deal.
[1288] Like a real eccentric, but a really friendly, really interesting guy yeah what a trip yeah i love when someone is like that yeah you know like your friend that hasn't talked for 22 years i love shit like that yeah you don't hear about that no or someone that'll stop being in van halen to go fuck with swords or tom yeah to go fuck with aliens yeah yeah goes fucks with aliens yeah do you do you think they're really bringing him to the pentagon and shit like that i don't know because he said they like i have no clue and i i i had watched a little bit of your podcast where you were like I didn't you send me a text message why are they picking you you know and I'm like you know but I feel like he's made himself readily available to do that shit you know like I don't know I sit and scratch my head and go I don't know I don't know either I just fucking he's such a talented talented dude too man he's like such a good songwriter yeah he well he certainly is certainly a very talented guy It's just so interesting that that's his main point of focus.
[1289] Yeah.
[1290] You know, I would think that if aliens were real, Trump would have told us.
[1291] I really do believe that.
[1292] Yeah.
[1293] That guy, he's such a fucking loose cannon.
[1294] He became the president.
[1295] Like, maybe they could hit it from him.
[1296] Or as fucking chaotic as shit is right now.
[1297] Yeah.
[1298] I don't know.
[1299] Something would slip, you know?
[1300] Yeah, I would think that if they told him, if they brought him, those are two things I would want to know.
[1301] Who killed JFK?
[1302] Those are two things I'd want to know if I became the president.
[1303] And are aliens real?
[1304] What do you got, motherfucker?
[1305] What do you got?
[1306] I go to the top generals.
[1307] I bet, look, I'm going to defer to you guys.
[1308] I'm not a military expert, okay?
[1309] I don't want war, but I want you guys to have support.
[1310] I got full respect.
[1311] Tell me about the aliens.
[1312] What do you got?
[1313] What was it?
[1314] Trump orders establishment of Space Force.
[1315] That's right, the Space Force.
[1316] But that's because that's actually a military strategy because they're concerned that as technology improves, Russians are going to be in space and we're going to be in space or fight off to aliens right like Will Smith type shit yeah look at him yeah Mike Pence is behind him going Jesus is going to save us yeah I don't know man but if I became president I never will but if I did those are the two things that I'd want to know who kill JFK and where the fucking aliens do you think they know do you think they know anything more than regular people because you got to feel like they come in every four years someone would open their mouth somebody knows somebody knows what did Elon Musk say he's an alien yeah bro he's not going to rat on his friends right if he drive that car i'll give you the cake just take it for a tour just take it for a spin out of here i will that fucking test will make you believe in aliens it doesn't even make sense it does not make sense i feel like i'm driving a computer when i'm in a tesla it's insane yeah it's like every car other than that seems stupid.
[1317] So is this the first one you've had?
[1318] Yes.
[1319] Wow.
[1320] And you're just completely in love with it?
[1321] Sold.
[1322] Sold.
[1323] I drove one.
[1324] There was a rental car company that was sponsoring the podcast and it was like Uber for rental cars.
[1325] They would drop off a rental car.
[1326] Do you remember the name of that company?
[1327] I don't know if they're around anymore.
[1328] Anyway, I said, yeah, I want to try a Tesla.
[1329] And I drove it.
[1330] I was like, it was kind of interesting.
[1331] But this was years ago.
[1332] Like maybe five years ago.
[1333] was that four years ago five years ago it it wasn't as impressive but now i got the model s p 100 d this is what he told me to get so i said all right i'll get it i drove that thing the moment i drove it the very first the first couple of feet like what is happening here like why is this going so fast it doesn't make sense it's effortless like effortless like every other car on the road has to accelerate it's like man bam bam this goes shoo It's instantaneously going 60 miles an hour.
[1334] I mean, it just feels like it's happening in like blink, blink, 60.
[1335] Yeah, and fucking smooth and you can't hear anything.
[1336] You don't hear anything.
[1337] It handles great.
[1338] It's quiet as shit.
[1339] It's comfortable.
[1340] Yeah.
[1341] I'm fucked.
[1342] Dude, I'm a gearhead.
[1343] I'm like you.
[1344] I know.
[1345] Do you still have that blazer?
[1346] Yeah.
[1347] Dude, that's dope.
[1348] Yeah, I tried building like my icon version of a blazer, you know.
[1349] Who built that for you?
[1350] his name was delmo he was over here in the valley so he did the ls swap and then i had another buddy of mine paint it and then i just kind of like did ground up like suspension but i feel like i should have replaced the chassis and done everything like that if i wanted it to be like a true icon but it's a bad fucking truck it's a dope looking truck there it is that is so sick it's so fun you know icon's done some blazers yeah i saw one they did afterwards yeah oh so you have it it's a full convertible no hard top God damn that looks good dude Yeah I put a soft top on it like a bikini top But summertime I just take it all off But I have a roll cage too Sick I love it I love the lowered ones too Like the slammed ones are so nice Yeah go back to this though That's so nasty man Is that the color you have like a mat Yeah it's like a charcoal Mat like charcoal Mercedes gray God that looks good Yeah it almost pops wheelies It's so fucking strong There's so much horsepower Which engine they put in there An LS3 Oh okay How many horsepower is that I think I'm at like 700 That's so ridiculous That's so ridiculous But besides that You know I had like I had like 16 old schools I've actually Do you really I actually fell out of love with them It's kind of weird Or I think I've spent like My time with them And I'm ready to like Separate from them And move on And maybe like get other stuff Or like I don't know I feel like it was a moment in time though I was like Kind of like hood rich In a sense Where I put all my money Into cars Right Like before I ever bought a house i had like four caddies you know and i was living in like a two -story a two -bedroom house you know with a bunch of friends but um dude that old red one behind you was dope what is that yeah i still have that uh 53 Chevy truck oh that looks bad cool icon does some of those too you ever see the thrift master yeah thrift master he's got one for sale right now i saw it yeah somebody uh had one built and then just never drove it and he's selling it is nasty dude i go over there in window shop all the fucking time.
[1351] Have you met him?
[1352] Yeah, he's super cool.
[1353] He's very cool.
[1354] Bro, he drove me in the thriftmaster.
[1355] That one's available right now.
[1356] Look at that fucking thing.
[1357] He drove me in one of those and was like hitting corners at 70.
[1358] Like I fucking almost lost my breath.
[1359] I was like, this motherfucker is crazy, but they really do perform.
[1360] They're great fucking cars.
[1361] Even my Bronco, even though it's so high, it's so high off the ground, you would think that thing handles like shit.
[1362] It handles really good for something like that.
[1363] Is it like stock how it comes from ICON, like that same height, or did you do anything to it?
[1364] Stock, yeah, yeah.
[1365] He just does them all that way.
[1366] And I was originally going to get an FJ made from him.
[1367] And I went there, I saw the Bronco in person with that Matt Silver.
[1368] And I was like, holy shit.
[1369] I was like, dude, I go scrap the fucking FJ.
[1370] We need to get this going.
[1371] So did you do the whole build out?
[1372] Like you, how long did it take?
[1373] well you're on a waiting list for a long time and then I think the build took close to a year it's like close to a year I'm so fucking impatient yeah me too but the key is like have it in the then just forget about it yeah because then time goes by do you drive it a lot all the time I drive to the comedy store like two or three nights a week but since I got the Tesla I'm telling you man really ruined me it's ruined me I'm a gearhead yeah I like old school cars I have a 65 Corvette with an LS1 supercharged.
[1374] I drive that all the time.
[1375] Side pipe, you know, that cool silver shape.
[1376] I love it.
[1377] But it seems so dumb.
[1378] It seems so dumb once you drive a Tesla.
[1379] Wow.
[1380] It's effortless, dude.
[1381] It just goes.
[1382] Yeah.
[1383] It's like you're on fast forward.
[1384] I need to check it out.
[1385] Everybody else is living in the past.
[1386] Yeah, like maybe last year, I used to have the wraith, like the Rolls Royce.
[1387] Oh, that's a sick car.
[1388] She's a bad car.
[1389] Did you have the ceiling with all the lights?
[1390] It looks like space.
[1391] It was so sick, but my buddy, my buddy John said, hey, let's swap cars wherever we were driving, so I did.
[1392] And I was really impressed.
[1393] It was fucking, it was really, really fast.
[1394] Which one did he have?
[1395] Did he have the 100D?
[1396] I imagine it's the one before the one you're talking about, because it was a couple years ago.
[1397] Those were fast.
[1398] Yeah, but it was still impressive, you know?
[1399] Yeah, those were fast.
[1400] They're still fast, but this one is fucking stupid.
[1401] Yeah.
[1402] It doesn't make sense.
[1403] It's like you're defying what you think.
[1404] a thing can do.
[1405] And it has that big fucking screen where it has all your...
[1406] Yeah.
[1407] Yeah.
[1408] Yeah, they're dope.
[1409] He's definitely a legend, man. Elon Musk.
[1410] He's got his blow torch, too, like he's fucking...
[1411] Right there, man. Nice.
[1412] He lit that fucking thing up in the hallway out here.
[1413] No. Yeah, I thought he was going to burn the building, though.
[1414] I haven't even lit mine.
[1415] I'm so afraid.
[1416] My son's, like, an animal.
[1417] I don't want him to know how to turn it on.
[1418] Yeah.
[1419] Yeah, he gave it to me and put the fucking fuel in it and everything.
[1420] I was like, all right.
[1421] Thanks.
[1422] It's crazy.
[1423] Like he comes bearing gifts.
[1424] How many people give you a blow gun, a blowtorch gun?
[1425] I know.
[1426] What would you call it?
[1427] Torch gun?
[1428] What's called it?
[1429] It's not a blow torch.
[1430] Right.
[1431] No, what does he call it?
[1432] It's not a blow torch.
[1433] It's not a blowtorch.
[1434] Is that what is it?
[1435] It's called?
[1436] Does that believe so?
[1437] Yeah.
[1438] Whatever it is.
[1439] This is a crazy picture online that we put up of him shooting that fucking thing out in the hallway.
[1440] And you're like, you can't tell him no. you know like no one tells him no he's got security around him and all these fucking all these mercenaries with guns no one's saying he rolls hard dude he's Elon Musk yeah it's worth billions everywhere he goes I mean he's got to have security everywhere guys come before him and case everything out yeah look at him what an iconic photo with the freak party signed above his head it's almost like we planned it and Stephen Tyler that's Stephen Tyler's mugshot in the ground crazy man he's such a outtakes from your guys interview too where he's just like fucking stone beyond his mind it's so great i don't think he got stoned i don't think he really inhaled he took like a tiny puff i think he puffed it like a cigar oh i don't think he really smokes weed didn't inhale he drinks we drank that's what was interesting about that the the blowback or the backlash is that we drank for two hours before we even busted out the weed But the weed was like, what are they doing?
[1441] The guy takes one hit of weed.
[1442] What are they doing?
[1443] Yeah.
[1444] And then it went crazy and stock plummeted 6%.
[1445] But it went back up to 9 % the next day.
[1446] And you're supposed to smoke before you drink, right?
[1447] I don't know.
[1448] Because I think you get really fucked up.
[1449] If you don't smoke a lot and you smoke after you've been drinking, it's a wrap, yeah.
[1450] Oh, yeah?
[1451] I don't know.
[1452] He never seen it.
[1453] I don't think it affected him.
[1454] He's like, wow.
[1455] But he's so, his brain is wired, so different.
[1456] you know what his brain is like it's like you ever see like okay no disrespect to pete holmes but you know pete holmes the comedian like look at his body and then look at usane bolts that's how i feel like like the way if they had a race that's how i feel like with my brain in the room with elon's brain i was like oh these are barely the same thing they're barely the same thing you keep up man like you you've had some crazy guests that are talking about atoms and fucking the universe and whatever else and you're always like you you're always like you You keep up with everybody.
[1457] It's an illusion.
[1458] I don't know.
[1459] I just memorize things.
[1460] Yeah, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
[1461] They understand the actual concepts.
[1462] Yeah.
[1463] You know, I might be able to repeat things that I've learned and read, but I don't know what the fuck I'm really talking about.
[1464] They know what the fuck they're, like, you know what I'm saying?
[1465] It's like if someone never did jujitsu before and they want to talk about choking someone out in a triangle, and I hear them say it, I'm like, okay, yeah, that's how you do it, that's how you do it.
[1466] But they don't really know how to do it.
[1467] You know what I'm saying?
[1468] Yeah.
[1469] But then if you talk to Hoyce Gracie and he tells you, to choke someone out with a triangle like this motherfucker did it he knows how to do it he does it all the time it's a different conversation you know so that's the difference like me i'm like a spectator talking to these geniuses but i'm just trying to pull information out of them i'm just trying to get them to talk you know yeah i just try to know a little bit about what they're talking about the guys that were on uh i don't know what was it last week the guys that were talking about like longevity like living a long time yeah david sinclair yeah he was that was pretty crazy Fascinating, right?
[1470] Yeah, super fascinating.
[1471] Yeah, I'm glad there's people like that out there.
[1472] I think within the next 15 to 20 years, people are going to start going back in aging, like legitimately.
[1473] Yeah.
[1474] They're going to be able to not just slow down aging, but we're going to see, like, 60 -year -old ladies that are hot as fuck.
[1475] Yeah.
[1476] We're going to see 60 -year -old ladies that look at 32.
[1477] I really believe that.
[1478] Yeah, I do too.
[1479] Coming around the corner.
[1480] Especially, like, how he was talking about that diabetic medicine that he takes.
[1481] Metformin.
[1482] Yeah.
[1483] Yeah, but apparently, um, it's a high.
[1484] That stuff has negative impacts on athletic performance.
[1485] It's one of the things that I was curious about when he discussed it.
[1486] And Dr. Rhonda Patrick sent me something in it, and Ben Greenfield actually brought it up on the podcast we did a couple days afterwards.
[1487] Yeah, it's probably good for longevity, but not good for athletic performance, which is I'm not willing to make that sacrifice.
[1488] Yeah, and he's probably not really concerned with athletic performance.
[1489] No, no, he barely worked out.
[1490] And he wasn't into working out hard either.
[1491] is like his his deals like just maintain a little bit of exercise just to kind of keep the blood moving but a lot of those guys that are these super genius sort of longevity experts they're just interested in how you can slow the clock down as much as possible and then there's other people like ben greenfield or like um ronda patrick they're more interested in performance like what is what's the best thing for you in terms of for your mental performance physical performance I'm more in line with that but I'm but I'm also I want to know what these guys are working on like the David Sinclair's of the world because he's at the top of the you know the tip of the spear when it comes to longevity and and gene editing and you know yeah what they're talking about is being able to inject certain what it was like certain genes or bacteria that carry genes it's going to fix eyesight.
[1492] Wow.
[1493] Like people that are blind are going to be able to see again.
[1494] Like, yeah.
[1495] They're going to be able to do some mad, mad shit.
[1496] As long as human beings don't, we don't figure out, I mean, we don't nuke ourselves or fuck the world to a point where, you know, scientific research halts.
[1497] If these guys can keep going, if we can make it to the next 50 years, people are probably going to live to be 300 years old.
[1498] Wow.
[1499] Yeah.
[1500] Nuts.
[1501] Man, how smart?
[1502] I love it.
[1503] How fucking smart people are going to be if they're 300?
[1504] I mean, think about how smart you are compared to when you were 20.
[1505] Yeah.
[1506] I was a dummy.
[1507] Me too.
[1508] I was so dumb.
[1509] I was so dumb.
[1510] I'm amazed I'm still here.
[1511] Yeah.
[1512] Like I stop and think about how I used to drive.
[1513] Oh, same.
[1514] Oh.
[1515] Oh.
[1516] Now, you have old schools.
[1517] Do you have hot rods?
[1518] Do you have any hot rods?
[1519] No, pretty much like slow and low, like old schools.
[1520] Those are safer.
[1521] Yeah, I had a couple Impala's.
[1522] I just got really.
[1523] of two of my umpolas and i have like a 53 caddy i still have i have a 64 uh a 60 a 53 truck and a 41 caddy oh 41 cat yeah it's nice man it's really fucking nice but it's like a three speed you know what i mean like it's like it's you know old no uh no power steering it's like yeah you got to know how to drive so yeah i still have a couple that i'm holding on to but No power steering.
[1524] The steering room must be giant.
[1525] It's gigantic.
[1526] It's so sketchy to drive.
[1527] But yeah, I'm going to bring a couple out.
[1528] I have a festival that happens in March called Muse Inc. That's like tattoos, music, and cars.
[1529] Oh, wow.
[1530] So I bring a couple of them out there.
[1531] Where's that at?
[1532] Orange County Fairgrounds.
[1533] Oh, all right.
[1534] Nice.
[1535] Yeah.
[1536] So, but yeah, but I'm slowly.
[1537] I really just, I don't know.
[1538] I want a simpler life, man. I want to be able to get in a car and not worry about if it fucking breaks.
[1539] down and i can get to point a to point b with how busy i am i don't know dude stay the fuck away from that tesla yeah i'm telling you it'll ruin you oh yeah there she is that's yours wow that's beautiful yeah what a car what i mean what a like uh not just a car but a window into time yeah that's history i mean back in 1941 that's what people drove man that was the shit back then people tooling around manhattan in one of those yeah i love seeing those you know the movies that take place during those timers and they find all those classics so cool you know it was great um the more recent version of the great gatsby with leonardo caprio when they drove those cars but it was a weird movie because they made those cars almost like modern it's very strange that's how romeo and juliet was too the one with um the one with leonardo you know i'm talking about did you notice that all the guns in there were super ill yeah yeah yeah all the cars like yeah it's like sick it's like futuristic yeah some weird but still like time period correct right yeah so that's time period correct but when he drove that car it drove like no fucking car yeah like see if you find a scene where he actually drove the car because it sounded like it was supercharged and it's flying and it's handling well but it's all like cartoonish almost like everything the scenes where like when they're driving these cars they're nothing like those cars were back then oh yeah because they don't move like that No, especially when they're on the road Yeah, unless you do like an LS swap And you redo everything Like when they're on the road Like these fucking cars didn't drive like that man They didn't they had skinny ass bullshit tires Yeah They barely could break You hit the brakes it took forever to slow down That was a great movie though Yeah those are sick Yeah see they're all going sideways Around corners and shit Nobody did that back then It was weird It's weird how they do that with movies where they have this like they're having a race yeah we're racing I mean with that electric car outside will blow by these motherfuckers the problem with those Teslas is that once you get in one other cars just seem kind of dumb they seem kind of old Oh I bet I feel like it's you're stepping into the future when you drive those anything else wouldn't seem even up to date you know But there's something about cars like your 41 Cadillac that have a thing to them that you're never going to get from a new car.
[1540] Yeah, you know what's cool about those is like when you're in those, you're not concerned with whatever's on the radio or talking on the phone or, I don't know, you're into just like, you're content with just hearing the car and driving, you know, driving is fun.
[1541] Whereas like if you're just in a 2019 Chevy truck, you're not going to feel like that, you know, but you take it that far back, just the smell of them, everything.
[1542] it's a it's a it's a vibe and it's just i don't know it's you can't compare it to anything yeah when i bought my 65 corvette the first thing i did is pull the radio out i said get that out of here i don't want to hear that radio it's unnecessary really yeah yeah i want to hear those side pipes in the wind yeah but it's it's going to be a thing of the past man i've really firmly believe that now after driving this car i think you know 50 years from now those things are going to be it's going to be like seeing some guy drive by on a model t yeah you know engines are going to be a thing of the past.
[1543] It's probably better for the environment anyway.
[1544] Oh, for sure.
[1545] Anyway, I think that's it.
[1546] Let's wrap us up.
[1547] Dope.
[1548] Dude, thank you so much.
[1549] Really glad we got together, man. I really appreciate you, man. It was very cool talking to you.
[1550] Awesome.
[1551] Social media, your Instagram is just Travis Barker.
[1552] And do you use Twitter as well or just...
[1553] Yeah, same thing.
[1554] Travis Barker.
[1555] Beautiful.
[1556] Thank you, brother.
[1557] Really appreciate it, man. It was fun.
[1558] Thank you.