Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard XX
[0] I'm David Farrier, in New Zealand are accidentally marooned in America, and I want to figure out what makes this country tick.
[1] One thing I love about America is that it really loves celebrating different days of the week.
[2] It finds all kinds of excuses to do this, mostly focused around food because America loves eating.
[3] And so there's ice cream day on July 21st, Burger Day on May 28th, and Pie Day on January 23rd, not to be confused with Pie the Number Day, which is on March 14th.
[4] Woo -hoo, National Pie Day, and we're excited to celebrate with the New York staple.
[5] Pie is like the perfect dessert.
[6] It is.
[7] And so while I'm months late, it's today that we turn to Pie Day, the food, not the number.
[8] I went to National Daycallender .com to find out more about Pie Day, where it told me the first pie was created around 9 ,500 BC during the Egyptian Neolithic period.
[9] Over 10 ,000 years later, in 1986, America decided it loved pies so much it declared January 23rd National Pie Day.
[10] The day was created by the American Pie Council, because of course that's a thing.
[11] And America has been celebrating it ever since.
[12] Because America loves pie.
[13] Over $2 billion worth of pies are sold in American grocery stores every year.
[14] And according to the American Pie Council's website, one out of five Americans have eaten an entire pie by themselves.
[15] So this week, I talk to a woman who traveled to all 50 U .S. states to investigate 50 different American pies.
[16] And we try her top three pie suggestions.
[17] So get ready to decide what your favorite pie is, because this is the pies episode.
[18] Flyless bird Touchdown in America I'm a flyless bird Touchdown in America I feel like we've talked a lot about pies in different episodes It's time to do a pie zip I love pie I'm so excited for this episode Your face lit up as an intro was playing Which I liked Yes It lit up a little brighter than beavers Your face dropped Beavis Why the fuck are we doing beavers Maybe everyone should run these topics by me. Things are getting out of hand.
[19] Yeah, it is confronting for me because, as you know, when I think pie, I think meat pie.
[20] Exactly.
[21] And so this has been a real roller coaster.
[22] Can you start by saying your thoughts on American pie, not the movie?
[23] I love sugar since being in America.
[24] I've had bits of pies.
[25] You saw me at Thanksgiving, stuffing my face.
[26] Oh, shit, that's right.
[27] There is a problem, though, recently where I have got new medical insurance.
[28] and so I've been to my new doctor.
[29] PPO?
[30] PPO.
[31] Finally.
[32] I'm on a PPO, which I feel very grateful.
[33] It's very expensive, which I'm not happy with.
[34] Yeah, it is.
[35] But I went to my new doctor.
[36] He was lovely, handsome, charming.
[37] Single?
[38] Don't know.
[39] Didn't get that far.
[40] You need to ask.
[41] Nurse drew my blood, and my bloods came back.
[42] And for the first time in my entire life, my cholesterol's higher than it should be.
[43] Okay.
[44] Yeah, my cholesterol's high.
[45] Whenever I've got results back, anything, STI's, cholesterol, I don't know, whatever else is in blood, perfect.
[46] Perfect.
[47] A plus.
[48] Yeah.
[49] America, it's done something to me. No, David.
[50] It's done something to me. I think it's age.
[51] You're not going to like to hear that.
[52] This is horrific.
[53] But the older you get, the more commonplace this is.
[54] Because my whole life, what I've done is like, I sort of eat what I want.
[55] Yeah.
[56] And in America, I've been eating.
[57] I eat a lot of pizza.
[58] I eat a lot of burgers, and externally, I felt okay.
[59] I haven't looked at myself and gone, I'm ballooning out of control, I'm unhealthy.
[60] What I was unaware of is that my insides over the last three years have slowly been rotting away.
[61] And that's just come to my awareness now.
[62] Do you ever cook dinner, or do you always order?
[63] No, that's why I like this meal delivery service stuff, because that's really good for me. Factor, who's a sponsor at some point, I like Factor.
[64] That works for me. I get a lot of takeout.
[65] I live alone.
[66] Cooking for one kind of sucks.
[67] It's hard.
[68] And I'm not a good cook, whereas you love cooking.
[69] Yeah.
[70] I don't.
[71] Yeah.
[72] So America in my age is a problem.
[73] I think you're right.
[74] I think cholesterol, ooh, did you do any stats on this or we should?
[75] We should.
[76] We know we have obesity issues.
[77] And those poorly.
[78] But cholesterol in general.
[79] I have genetically, I have high cholesterol.
[80] I've had it since I was just a wee baby.
[81] Oh, your genes are turns.
[82] When you move to America.
[83] Yeah.
[84] You're going to let that go.
[85] Let's take our daughter to America Let's take our high cholesterol baby with us What will cure her The United States Yeah, so I have it genetically And then recently, I guess last year It was quite high This is all new to me I'm in panic at the moment Which is why going into this pies episode I was worried because pies isn't recommended To keep the cholesterol down So usually I'd go into an episode like this Just absolutely stuffing my face My doctor said just eat a lot, you said basically eat salads.
[86] You know, it's kind of like when we did Loma Linda, and we're trying to learn about longevity, and really it's just the most basic thing ever, which is eat vegetables, run, or, you know, move your body, exercise, and sleep well, and probably don't drink.
[87] Okay, so this is what's happened to me then.
[88] Okay, my age, since I had back issues, I haven't been exercising as much.
[89] I'm not sleeping as well because of that fucking ghost that comes in at three.
[90] So all those have combined.
[91] We gave him a name.
[92] Frank.
[93] No, it wasn't Frank.
[94] Damn it.
[95] I don't call him by the name.
[96] Peter.
[97] I can't remember any way.
[98] Peter's Calvin's ghost.
[99] Oh, right.
[100] That one really creeps me. Okay, anyway.
[101] So I just wanted to say at the top.
[102] I've got high cholesterol.
[103] Yeah.
[104] And I'm thinking about that a lot.
[105] Okay.
[106] So how is exercise?
[107] Have you been dipping back in?
[108] I walk a lot.
[109] That's great.
[110] That's great.
[111] And I swim.
[112] He sent me a note.
[113] That's the other thing about America.
[114] If you need to get into your medical notes, there's a portal.
[115] America loves a portal.
[116] Oh, yes.
[117] In New Zealand, you get email stuff to your inbox.
[118] In America, every institution you're a part of, there's a portal.
[119] You log in, there's security measures.
[120] They're texting your phone.
[121] It's driving me nuts.
[122] I can never get into mine.
[123] When I was sick, I went to the urgent care and I couldn't get in to pay my bill.
[124] Everyone's like, get to the portal.
[125] Go to the portal.
[126] You guys had to do the face password.
[127] I'll do that.
[128] Yeah.
[129] I'll just set that up on my phone.
[130] And it's like, do you do it in your browser or in your app on your phone?
[131] It's Cedars, Sinai, what I'm going to?
[132] They've got two apps.
[133] Cedars is great.
[134] Why the hell?
[135] Why have you got two?
[136] Make it one.
[137] Well, Cedars is a very reputable.
[138] Oh, I'm over the moon.
[139] Hospital.
[140] I'm there.
[141] Okay, hold on.
[142] What did they say in your portal?
[143] Should I try and get into this portal now?
[144] I'll tell you.
[145] I can get in my portal.
[146] It sounds sexual.
[147] It's like getting to my portal.
[148] Can't get into her portal.
[149] This doctor told me to get into his portal.
[150] Okay, so I'm logging in now.
[151] I'm typing in my username, which I'm not going to tell you.
[152] Won't let me into her portal.
[153] Okay, I'm clicking sign in.
[154] Get into your portal, David.
[155] Okay, here we go.
[156] Dr. Andrew, this is what he said.
[157] I've reviewed your recent lab results.
[158] Your LDL, bad cholesterol, is a bit elevated.
[159] This increases your lifetime risk for developing cardiovascular disease, a .k .a. heart attack.
[160] He thinks I'm an idiot.
[161] Stroke.
[162] And even certain types of dementia.
[163] Oh, shit.
[164] I can't get dementia.
[165] Uh -oh.
[166] Your calculated 10 -year risk for atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease is 1 .4%.
[167] Okay, that's really low.
[168] It's low, isn't it?
[169] What's the number, David?
[170] Okay, so I'm got to go into a different part of the portal.
[171] Yeah.
[172] Let's see, test results, chlamydia, nothing, HIV, nothing.
[173] Yeah, okay, so cholesterol, normal value.
[174] HDL cholesterol, normal, triglycerides.
[175] Are they high?
[176] Uh -oh, yes.
[177] So, that's bad.
[178] You want to be under 150 milligrams per DL.
[179] I'm 217.
[180] 150 is the...
[181] 150 is what you want.
[182] I'm 217.
[183] That's not good, David.
[184] So I'm 67 above.
[185] Yeah, that's bad.
[186] And triglycerides...
[187] It's not helping my panic.
[188] Sorry, but triglycerides are the thing.
[189] I mean, there's a lot of bad stuff, but triglycerite is one.
[190] we do got to watch.
[191] When I went, mine was 600, and I...
[192] Oh, I'm fucking hell.
[193] So you didn't laugh.
[194] Oh, so you must have been an experience complete panic.
[195] Yes, because it was crazy.
[196] And my doctor said, I think there's something wrong, so we had to retake it.
[197] Something wrong.
[198] And did it come down?
[199] Yeah, it was not 600.
[200] 600's dead.
[201] I mean, you're dead.
[202] Was it around 200?
[203] Am I higher than you or lower?
[204] Oh, should look at my portal?
[205] Can you look at your portal?
[206] My LDL is 113.
[207] It's meant to be under 100, so it's not as bad.
[208] That's not too bad.
[209] And my non -Asial cholesterol is 147 when it's meant to be under 130, which is not that bad.
[210] What's your ratio?
[211] The ratio's very important.
[212] I've said too much already.
[213] This is so personal.
[214] It really is.
[215] Is there anything more personal than your blood?
[216] I don't think there is.
[217] Well, where your lumps are.
[218] Your sperm.
[219] Oh, the lump.
[220] Isn't it time for you to tell us?
[221] Like a lot So much time has passed The triglycerides I need to sort out How's your portal going?
[222] Okay, yeah, I got me Face recognized, you're on your app My triglycerides Were 103 So they're fine Oh my God You're making me That's so low I'm 217 But let me make you feel better My LDL is 184 This was in June of last year Okay, mine's 113 right now And it should be less than 100 So 184 is bad which affects my overall cholesterol, which is 274 and should be less than 200.
[223] Did you feel the feeling of panic?
[224] I mean, I felt really worried.
[225] I felt really worried when my triglycerides were 600, but I've been high my whole life.
[226] So it's not that startling.
[227] Also, my HDL, your good cholesterol, is also high.
[228] So that's good.
[229] That is good.
[230] Yeah, that is a good one.
[231] So that also affects it.
[232] Now, my ratio is four, and it should be under five.
[233] And that's really the thing that matters.
[234] Oh, yeah, 4 .7.
[235] It's meant to be under five.
[236] Under five.
[237] So you're fine.
[238] You're fine.
[239] I didn't like that gasp doesn't say fine, Monica.
[240] Well, it was just awfully close to.
[241] That's what the doctor said.
[242] I think we should get your HDL up.
[243] Yeah, okay.
[244] To help this ratio.
[245] Okay, so look, what I've done, the last two weeks, I've been on salads.
[246] Oh, good.
[247] Apples.
[248] Apparently, oats is good for soaking up some of that fat.
[249] I'm off the butter.
[250] Oh, wow.
[251] I used to eat a lot of eggs.
[252] I'm not eating eggs.
[253] No, that's a fallacy.
[254] Yeah, no. Okay.
[255] What's your sugar?
[256] Oh, look, let's move on.
[257] Look, this is stress all.
[258] My point is.
[259] Don't stress out.
[260] It's fine.
[261] It's fine.
[262] It's going to get higher if you stress.
[263] Actually, yeah, exactly.
[264] Oh, God.
[265] Sweating.
[266] Heart rates elevated.
[267] None of this is dire, right?
[268] Did they say you need to get on a statin or something?
[269] No, they said no meds.
[270] They just said, get your diet sorted out.
[271] Okay, pies.
[272] I've got to cut it.
[273] couple of other bits of admin.
[274] I'm going to save a bit of admin for in between the documentary, but just before we start, and this is important, we got a lot of feedback to the Lord of the Rings episode we did, mainly because I didn't watch it.
[275] Yeah, people were upset by that.
[276] It's a bit like when I did Waffle House.
[277] Yeah, that was a nightmare.
[278] And I get it.
[279] And part of my brain, I'm a bit chaotic, and part of my brain knew there'd be anger about doing a Lord of the Rings episode without watching the movies.
[280] So a couple of things.
[281] First off, in that episode, I commented that Orlando Bloom has sort of vanished and immediately when we put that out he's everywhere.
[282] He's absolutely everywhere.
[283] Oh my God, maybe you brought him back.
[284] I like to think I did.
[285] Yeah.
[286] So Orlando Bloom, I wanted to apologize.
[287] He's got a new docu -series called To the Edge, which chronicles his mental, physical, and spiritual journey as he pushes himself to the edge.
[288] That's where the title To The Edge comes from.
[289] To Learn and Master Three Extreme Sports.
[290] So are you going to do an episode on that and also not watch it?
[291] I want to do an episode on Orlando Bloom.
[292] Yeah, that'd be cool.
[293] Because he's in this amazing film.
[294] He's not American, though.
[295] Where is he from?
[296] Canadian?
[297] No, he's like British.
[298] He was born in the United Kingdom.
[299] Okay, okay, okay, he's not doing an episode in Orlando.
[300] But I wanted to apologize for him.
[301] And another thing, because so many people were a bit annoyed that I got the plot a bit wrong, I got Rob to show his son Calvin, Lord of the Rings, the first one.
[302] Is that age appropriate?
[303] Well, we'll find out.
[304] Oh.
[305] Afterwards, Rob got Calvin to review the film.
[306] Oh, my God, I can't wait.
[307] And so this is a little mini review from Calvin, reviewing his first viewing of Lord of the Rings.
[308] You just watched the first Lord of the Rings movie, right?
[309] Yes.
[310] Can you tell me what it was about?
[311] It's about a ring that was made by a master, and they're trying to break it because the master was a bad guy, but they can't use any of tools to break the ring because what made was this fire and only like a volcano and lava can break it they're trying to get on there they're on this island and they're trying to like escape but they landed on another island in like the middle and like the last of the movie and then but these goblins um this goblin too powerful and he hit three bone arrows and one of the good guys and he died because he was too powerful and you couldn't see him and there's too many goblins that he had to fight at once.
[312] There's a lot of characters in it, right?
[313] Mm -hmm.
[314] Do you remember them?
[315] There's Frodo and Sam and so I can remember.
[316] There's like eight of them or maybe the seven or six.
[317] There was, I think, 12 given to the men.
[318] nine to the owls and three to the dwarfs.
[319] It was actually a trick because the rings were bad and if you put them on, you turn into his command and you turn to a bad guy.
[320] So he had given out all those rings, but then there was one ring that would rule them all, right?
[321] Uh -huh.
[322] It was one given to the master.
[323] But there's this men that defeated him and cut his hand off.
[324] But then he got killed because all the bad guys wanted that ring too bad.
[325] And then it got left in the dirt.
[326] But the ring was also a trap.
[327] And he's still alive, but only his eyes left.
[328] And it got left in the dirt.
[329] And then Frodo found it.
[330] And they're trying to break it and put in a volcano.
[331] And then it will break up into dust.
[332] Did you like the first movie?
[333] Mm -hmm.
[334] Did you think it was too long, too short?
[335] It was three hours.
[336] It was pretty long.
[337] Would you recommend this movie to other people?
[338] Yeah.
[339] Was it too scary, too funny?
[340] It was like perfect.
[341] It was perfect.
[342] Perfect amount.
[343] Are you excited to watch the next ones?
[344] Uh -huh.
[345] I bet they're going to try to destroy it, but the bad guy's going to try to get them and he's going to get his ring back.
[346] All right.
[347] We'll check back in after you finish the second one.
[348] Okay.
[349] Okay.
[350] Bye.
[351] Learn and subscribe Like and subscribe Oh Oh my God, hold on Hold on, hold on, hold on He just added like and subscribe How old is Calvin?
[352] He's seven It killed me I did the same thing Monica I was like, did he just Oh my God He knows to say that Just from me And being around podcasts Yeah Yeah, it's really good.
[353] But still, we don't say that.
[354] I know, we don't, but...
[355] It's a thing, though, like, you do hear it so often.
[356] And also, that was amazing recall.
[357] That was incredible.
[358] Your son's amazing.
[359] He's pretty smart.
[360] He's so smart.
[361] He said a really big bocab word in there that I was.
[362] I didn't know what it was.
[363] So we're going to get him to review the other two films, and we'll bring those reviews to you, Flatless Bird listeners.
[364] Stay tuned for more.
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[398] Does your therapist know where your lump is?
[399] I told the therapist about the lump because it was so stressful that week.
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[401] But they did talk me through managing stress and anxiety, because, again, I'm getting it with this cholesterol issue I've got at the moment.
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[412] Okay, so, look, I know this isn't a Lord of the Rings podcast, but I just wanted to insert that into the Pies episode because it's very important, Lord of the Rings update.
[413] That was so cute.
[414] I can't believe it like and subscribe.
[415] Yeah, you better like and subscribe for this one feed.
[416] Okay, Pyes.
[417] He's so cute.
[418] He's so cute.
[419] Let's begin our exploration of American Pies.
[420] Oh, this is great.
[421] Oh, yeah.
[422] Drew?
[423] It's not what it looks like.
[424] I guess I first understood how much America loved Pye when I watched a movie called American Pye 25 years ago and witnessed an American fucking a pie.
[425] Well, we'll just tell your mother that we ate it all.
[426] Not much has changed.
[427] because America still loves pies.
[428] As I found out during the Thanksgiving episode of Lightless Bird, where I found myself surrounded by pies.
[429] I've got four big slices of pie.
[430] I've never had this one before.
[431] I thought it was a cheesecake, but apparently it's a key line.
[432] This is pecan.
[433] A famous Thanksgiving treat that I've never had before.
[434] I realized I haven't really learned much about pies since that episode.
[435] If I was to be truly American, I needed to understand why America.
[436] Americans are so pie obsessed.
[437] My name is Stacey Mayenne Fong, and I'm a baker and an author of pie cookbooks.
[438] The second odd scene, Stacey's cookbooks sitting on a bookstore shelf, I knew she was the one I needed to talk to for this episode.
[439] Her book is called 50 Pie's 50 States, the result of her traveling to each American state to try their favorite pie.
[440] So there's 50 pies in the book, one for every state.
[441] There is also a pie for D .C. I had to do the nation's capital.
[442] Which is what, by the way?
[443] The DC pie is a cherry pie as an ode to the lore of George Washington cutting that cherry tree down.
[444] I also wanted to talk to Stacey because she's a bit like me and that she wasn't born in America.
[445] She chose to make it her home.
[446] So I have grown up enamored with America from watching American movies and listening to a lot of American music with my dad.
[447] My dad loves Simon and Garfunkel bread, the carpenters.
[448] I have a big affinity for old country music, like John Prine, Loretta Lynn, Dolly Parton's my favorite person on the planet.
[449] Because it's all about storytelling.
[450] And I think what's wonderful too about the music, it is country music, but it's storytelling of America.
[451] So in my head, America seemed like this really big, wonderful place that you could go.
[452] on this big road trip.
[453] I was born in Singapore and I grew up in Hong Kong, both of which are islands.
[454] So any trips we took were all international.
[455] All I wanted was to go on this long road trip and eat pie at different diners across America.
[456] It just sounded so wonderful to me. Before we got into it, I wanted to make sure we were both on the same page about what pie means, what it consists of.
[457] Coming from New Zealand, if you say pie, what you mean there is a meat pie, you never think fruity pie.
[458] When you were growing up and you thought pie, what was the thing that would jump to mind?
[459] I thought meat pie, because I also grew up playing rugby and netball, and afterwards, you would go to a tuck shop and get a meat pie.
[460] Pie for me was only meat.
[461] And I didn't know there was so many sweet pies until we would come here on vacation.
[462] My dad worked in hotels.
[463] And so there would be these buffets of all these different kinds of pies.
[464] And I was like, what is going on?
[465] Because in my mind, there was only apple pie and then cherry pie because of, of the music that I'd listen to.
[466] So I didn't know about any other, like, grasshopper pie or all these different custard pies.
[467] So when I started diving into that, it was so interesting to learn that here, pie was a dessert, but for all of us, in British colonies, pie was a full meal.
[468] I feel here the only savory pie everybody thinks about is chicken pot pie.
[469] That's the only savory one.
[470] Once she had moved to New York, Stacey decided to embrace the sweet pies of America.
[471] So much so, she ended up becoming an American citizen.
[472] It was while waiting for her citizenship that her true pie journey began.
[473] While I was doing the laborious amount of paperwork, spending all that money trying to stay in this country, I thought it'd be really fun to bake my way through the country as a way to learn about this country.
[474] Kind of how you have this podcast to kind of learn about all these nuances.
[475] I decided to learn about each state by pie because, when you travel to all these different countries, like if you go to like Portugal or Italy or Spain, you have a list of things you want to eat from there.
[476] I feel like people rarely do that with the United States or even the hometown that they're from.
[477] And I thought I would exercise my Nora Ephron, Nancy Myers, rom -com, grand gesture and dedicate each state pie to a person that I know from that state.
[478] So like my love letter to this country, I've decided to call home.
[479] So that's how I landed on pie because even though pie is very different to you and me, I feel like, pie is quintessentially very American, or America likes to think it's very quintessentially American.
[480] And so pie seemed like the good blank canvas for me to explore not only the food of this country, but also all the different states and also my little ode to the people that made this place my home.
[481] Okay, onto the pies.
[482] There are over 50 pies in her cookbook, but we don't have all day.
[483] I wanted to know what ones really popped for her, which ones she really recommends.
[484] I wanted a top three.
[485] Say you're going on a date and you don't know much about the person, but you really know you want to impress them.
[486] You don't know where they're from, but you really just want to impress this person that's come over with these three pies.
[487] They're going to have these pies and then I go, wow, that was a fucking beautiful pie.
[488] Oh my God, this is so hard.
[489] I would probably make the pie I did for Vermont, which is an apple pie with a cheddar cheese crust.
[490] I love that pie so much because my buddy Pete's grandpa always used to say a pie without the cheese is like a kiss without the squeeze.
[491] And in Vermont, you traditionally eat an apple pie with a slice of cheddar, which I really like because it's like a mix of sweet and salty.
[492] So it really amps up the apple flavor.
[493] And then another pie I would make would probably be the pie that I've probably gotten the most contention with that I did for the book would be Minnesota.
[494] It is a corn -dye hot dish pie with savory funnel cakes on top.
[495] And then to round out this, because I want it to be a whole meal, I would probably do the pie I did for Washington, which is a rainier cherry pie with a potato chip crumble on top.
[496] Because I love a mixture of sweet and salty.
[497] So I think it would be those three.
[498] But I think the pie that would get me a ring on the finger would be the apple one.
[499] Because everybody loves apple pie.
[500] Of course, for this episode, I needed to go and eat some pie.
[501] Just to start wrapping my taste buds around the idea that pies in my life are no longer meat pies, but sweet pies.
[502] And so I got Stacey to advise me on what American pies I should try where I am right now, Los Angeles.
[503] Do it.
[504] Apple, cherry, and then a lemon meringue, or something that has a floofy top, a big whipped top.
[505] See if you can find a lemon meringue.
[506] Lemon meringue pies are probably wonderful in L .A. Because you guys have great citrus out there.
[507] Okay, I had my assignment.
[508] Apple, cherry, and lemon meringue.
[509] Okay, Monica.
[510] Cliffhanger?
[511] So I bought in an apple, cherry, and a lemon meringue.
[512] Where are they from?
[513] They're from House of Pie?
[514] House of Pie, because it's close.
[515] I know it's not the fanciest, but it's kind of iconic.
[516] Rob's face.
[517] Where would you get your pies from in L .A.?
[518] Where should I go next time for Pies Part 2 when the cholesterol level is dropped?
[519] Okay.
[520] There's a few.
[521] I love Winston's.
[522] That wasn't what I said.
[523] Winstons is incredible.
[524] There's a pie place I got some pies for Thanksgiving.
[525] It's downtown.
[526] The one that I sent you to, Destroyer.
[527] No, I didn't end up getting that.
[528] Those were insane.
[529] I'm just going to, as you talk, I'm just going to chop these up.
[530] Okay.
[531] I'll play it for each of you, a little selection of each.
[532] God, didn't you love what she said?
[533] I loved everything.
[534] Fat and flour.
[535] A pie without the cheese?
[536] Yeah, yeah.
[537] A pie without the cheese is like a kiss without the squeeze.
[538] I loved that.
[539] Did you have Baker Square in Georgia?
[540] No. Is it a chain?
[541] Yeah, it's like a diner.
[542] We didn't have that.
[543] They had a really good pie.
[544] Oh.
[545] They had a French silk pie that was incredible.
[546] French silk.
[547] Okay.
[548] French silk is a very elusive pie.
[549] It's very hard to find these days.
[550] I think they are at cafeterias and stuff originally.
[551] Baker Square, that was always my go -to.
[552] I'd get French silk pie.
[553] I do love a chocolate pie.
[554] And then there's a really good place Mindy's hot chocolate in Chicago You took us there We went to It's now just Mindy's bakery But she does insane pies Did we have pie when we went?
[555] I think we had her dessert We had the burgers and dessert Which that's my favorite burger of all time too But it's gone now She just went back to bakery Okay Monica I'm gonna pass you over A little slice of each pie You've tried all these probably hundreds of times Well I want to Before we begin Should I start with my negative?
[556] thoughts.
[557] Yeah, please, get those out.
[558] Get those out.
[559] I like your assignment.
[560] I think she was right because citrus in L .A. It's good.
[561] I just am never getting a lemon meringue pie.
[562] Oh, never what?
[563] I'm never picking that.
[564] I did notice, I kept it in the fridge.
[565] As I drove over here, it has melted a lot.
[566] The lemon is very goopy.
[567] It wasn't like this when I bought it.
[568] It kind of looks like pineapple.
[569] But don't you love the meringuey part?
[570] Like the fluff?
[571] What's your beef?
[572] My beef is, I don't love just lemon -flavored things in general.
[573] And then, yeah, the meringue, it's not for me. It's not, okay, no, fair.
[574] But I'm going to try this.
[575] Okay, give it a go.
[576] I've never tried.
[577] Apple is definitely one of my all -time faves.
[578] Okay, I'm going to try the lemon meringue now based on your...
[579] Should we do lemon meringue first?
[580] Yeah.
[581] I feel that cholesterol spiking.
[582] Okay, so I'm a meringue guy.
[583] I'm not a lemon guy.
[584] But the meringue I enjoy You like the base It's a very floofy It's so floofy It's sort of refreshing having the lemon Gives the illusion of sort of freshness and health Perhaps Yeah, okay let me have a small bite of that Should note, Rob's getting very close to the camera Taking photos for this episode It's a Out of 10 It's actually not as bad as I thought I'm giving this lemon meringue a 7 out of 10 But it kind of tastes like a cola It's very sweet.
[585] It's very sweet.
[586] Not good for the diabetes.
[587] Okay.
[588] Cherry next?
[589] Okay, yeah, let's do cherry.
[590] Also, just throwing out there, I don't ever pick cherry either.
[591] But I like a fruit pie in general.
[592] This is my first ever cherry pie.
[593] Mm -hmm.
[594] I like that cherry flavor.
[595] Yeah.
[596] A lot.
[597] The crust is nice.
[598] This tastes like a Pop -Tart.
[599] I've never had a Pop -Tart.
[600] What?
[601] Yeah.
[602] okay, this is probably another thing I need to do.
[603] Yeah, I've never had one.
[604] Oh, my God.
[605] It's like a bit of toast, but with sweetness.
[606] It's not toast.
[607] It's more like a pastry, but it's very processed.
[608] And you put it in the toaster and it pops up.
[609] Yeah, okay.
[610] I think I've seen the commercials for it.
[611] But they have cherry one.
[612] And there's like a jam.
[613] I'd give the cherry one and eight out of ten.
[614] Wow.
[615] These are higher numbers.
[616] I wish we had Winston's.
[617] Okay, it's okay.
[618] I love this.
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[641] Okay, we're going in for Apple now.
[642] Okay, this is Apple.
[643] Oh, I like this.
[644] Right.
[645] Apple Pie is so good.
[646] Yeah, apple pie is the one, isn't it?
[647] Yeah, it is.
[648] This is a 10.
[649] This doesn't have cheddar, but that's fine.
[650] Oh, definitely in my mind having, I didn't know you got cheese involved.
[651] It's very Midwestern.
[652] This is nice.
[653] The apple's very spiced, which is good.
[654] Mm -hmm, mm -mm.
[655] Yeah, those are, look, I feel more American.
[656] So Apple was your fave.
[657] Apple was my fave, by far.
[658] Loved apple.
[659] You didn't get any chocolate pies, which is a big part of pies.
[660] And pumpkin pie.
[661] Have you had pumpkin pie?
[662] I had that at Thanksgiving.
[663] And that was great.
[664] And you had tea lime at Thanksgiving.
[665] Oh, delicious.
[666] Which is great as well.
[667] So I have a sweet tooth.
[668] I don't think there's a pie that I wouldn't consume, to be honest.
[669] Yeah.
[670] But I am blown away by the creativity America has.
[671] I didn't realize there was so many.
[672] pies and obviously locally people get so excited about their pie yeah my friends i think i said this on maybe another episode my friends lizzie and joe shout out when they got married they love pie and so do i so they invited me over for pie taste testing for their wedding and it was so amazing and they had a big array and that would be elite pie that would be the best of the best right they did have some house of pies options.
[673] They had Winstons.
[674] They had a couple others.
[675] There's some that are very niche.
[676] You have to go to someone's house and in their backyard.
[677] There's like a whole thing and pick it up.
[678] There's one that we got that I think it was peach, strawberry, apple.
[679] Like, it was like a three fruit.
[680] Yeah, combo.
[681] So good.
[682] I feel it's a bit like barbecue where people have their spots to go and their places and their different type.
[683] Yeah, it feels the same sort of levels of passion involved.
[684] Do you think you, in general, would like a chocolate pie more or less than a fruit pie?
[685] I don't know what you're talking about.
[686] No, I understand chocolate, but how do you get chocolate into a pie?
[687] Because pie is a texture.
[688] It's like kind of like meringue -y.
[689] I mean, it depends on the kind.
[690] Here, so this is like what French silk looks like.
[691] It's more moosey.
[692] Oh, it looks amazing.
[693] Yeah.
[694] I mean, I love chocolate, so it'll be out my alley.
[695] I just wasn't sure about the texture.
[696] I think I like the chunkiness of fruit.
[697] The fruit, yeah.
[698] And it's healthy because it's fruit.
[699] What did you think about that Minnesota pie she mentioned that she loved?
[700] The corn dog hot dish pie with a savory funnel cake.
[701] She said that and I felt like I was having a stroke because I didn't really know what any of these things were and they're all apparently in a pie.
[702] It's wild.
[703] It was wild.
[704] I don't know that that one's for me because how can it be a savory funnel cake?
[705] You've had funnel cake though, right?
[706] Funnel cake is at amusement parks.
[707] No, I haven't done funnel cake.
[708] Oh my God.
[709] We didn't do that one.
[710] Was it at Disney when we went there?
[711] Would I have got it there?
[712] We didn't get it, though.
[713] They would have had it.
[714] No, I haven't had it.
[715] It's an amusement park staple.
[716] How would we describe it?
[717] It's fried dough with powdered sugar on top.
[718] Yeah.
[719] Oh, that sounds great.
[720] It looks like this.
[721] Okay.
[722] No, I haven't had that before.
[723] But she made it savory, but it's very sweet.
[724] So she must be adding pepper.
[725] Right, but isn't that just chucking the cheese on to the apple or something?
[726] I guess so.
[727] Sweet and savory combo?
[728] I learned about cheese on apple pie later.
[729] in life.
[730] That wasn't a thing I was exposed to.
[731] I don't think I've ever had an apple pie with the slice of cheese.
[732] I want that.
[733] I want to try it.
[734] Also, I love cheese.
[735] Oh, I love cheese as well.
[736] What's that like for the cholesterol?
[737] Bad, dairy.
[738] It's not great.
[739] But just do moderate, if you do it in moderation, it's fine.
[740] Yeah.
[741] But I have had apple pie with cheddar cheese in the crust.
[742] Oh, yeah.
[743] It's so good.
[744] Have you done pie hole?
[745] Pie hole's good.
[746] Yeah, I have.
[747] I have.
[748] Got a really good pecan pie and a Mexican chocolate pie.
[749] Mexican chocolate.
[750] Oh, my God.
[751] It's endless.
[752] You could die having not eaten all of America's pies.
[753] She's gone to every state.
[754] I mean, that's why this book is so incredible because she's sort of been to and eaten all of them.
[755] Pecan is really important that you try.
[756] Oh, wait, maybe you had a Thanksgiving.
[757] Oh, Thanksgiving.
[758] Yeah, it was intense.
[759] This is another type of chocolate pie.
[760] Chocolate Cowgirl from Winston.
[761] Yeah, I got that.
[762] It has a rich chocolate filling, a responsible.
[763] source Ecuadorian chocolate and a salty oak crust, topped with a drizzle of handmade fresh caramel, fudge -like texture with just the right amount of sweetness.
[764] It's really nice.
[765] Okay, so just quickly, before we go on to part two, what?
[766] They're a milky way pie right now.
[767] What's the pie that you have, your final meal pie?
[768] What are you having?
[769] Like right now I'm having the apple.
[770] I love the apple.
[771] Okay.
[772] What are you having?
[773] I think if I have one pie, oh, I also love a strawberry rhubarb.
[774] I think I'm going to.
[775] Apple as well.
[776] Yeah, so it's the simplicity, I think.
[777] It is.
[778] Yeah, okay, Apple Pie.
[779] The milk bar pie is insane.
[780] They used to call it crack pie.
[781] But it's the like caramel, buttery.
[782] You've had, I've had it at my house with you.
[783] Yeah, I like that pie.
[784] It's so good.
[785] Ah, this is, this is yummy.
[786] The rest of the episodes should just be us listing pie.
[787] It kind of does be like that.
[788] It's like going, hmm.
[789] I mean, pie is It's so funny listening to the doc and really realizing, because you mentioned it, but it's hard for me to really wrap my head around.
[790] The fact that we just really are in our silos that you hear pie and you don't think of this is so interesting.
[791] And there's a few times American friends have come to visit me in New Zealand and I haven't clocked it because I'm going to get a pie.
[792] And they're kind of like, oh, it's a weird thing to get for lunch.
[793] Right.
[794] And I should point out as well that when I say in New Zealand we're eating meat pies, it's not like the pie you'd get in America, this huge thing.
[795] It's a little handheld pie.
[796] It's tiny.
[797] And so you go to New Zealand and most people you see walking around, they'll have one of these little pies in their hand.
[798] It's like a hot pocket.
[799] It's like a hot pocket.
[800] Yeah.
[801] That's what I'm talking about.
[802] So we're not like feasting on these giant, meaty, massive pies.
[803] Because even our chicken pot pie is the shape of a big pie.
[804] Right.
[805] Everything's big.
[806] Yeah.
[807] So you'd have to slice it up.
[808] I mean, they do have individual size pie.
[809] Pop pies.
[810] But it's not typical.
[811] A typical meat pie in New Zealand is tiny.
[812] Right.
[813] Your typical pot pie is you'd bake it like a big pie.
[814] Oh, I want to make that soon.
[815] Alison Roman has a recipe that I've been wanting to make a chicken pot pie recipe.
[816] I feel like maybe we need to do a chicken pot pie episode where they came from.
[817] I'm sure there's an origin story.
[818] Well, Marie Callender, frozen food, that's the quintessential pot pie.
[819] The frozen pot pie.
[820] I mean, I don't know if that's how, it's probably not how it started.
[821] But that's just like the Salisbury steak.
[822] You should do a Frozen Foods episode.
[823] That's a really good idea.
[824] We touched on it briefly in the Ice episode, but that's like a whole world.
[825] It's such a world.
[826] I love this.
[827] And it's a big part of America.
[828] Like the Salisbury steak in this, I guess, 70s or maybe 50s, I'm not going to do it at times, was a huge part of American dinner, dining.
[829] Oh, I love this.
[830] Because I've embraced the Trader Joe's frozen meals.
[831] I think if you're like a sad alone person, you go to Trader Joe's and, like, There's these individual, they're like marketed to people like me. So he lives alone.
[832] He doesn't hate cooking, not really talented.
[833] Like, get this.
[834] There's no point in him nourishing himself.
[835] Anyway, frozen food's a great episode.
[836] Okay, great.
[837] Okay, so in the final part of the stock, it actually lines up quite nicely with what we just came to the conclusion of, which is that apple pie is the best pie.
[838] Okay.
[839] We're going to get some hate.
[840] Am I right in thinking the apple pie is the American pie, right?
[841] That is the main one.
[842] That's America's pie.
[843] I think it's because pie is one of those things in American history that they've always kept on the table in some way.
[844] So there's a series of pies that were created here called Desperation Pies, and these were pies that were made out of not necessarily financial depression, even though there is a pie that was made during the Great Depression, but it was about seasonal depression when you didn't have fresh fruit.
[845] So there are all these pies like the vinegar pie that was created in Appalachia, and that's supposed to mimic the tartness of apples.
[846] and the water pie comes from the Great Depression, which it tastes like crispy cream donut glaze in the center of a pie.
[847] So what all of this made me think of is the importance of pie in America and keeping it on the table throughout the year or even during times of sadness.
[848] The symbol of pie is the symbol of America's abundance.
[849] Whenever you see an apple pie, it's like a bunch of apples piled high and the crust is big and it's sitting in a window.
[850] It's this idealic vision of what you want America to be.
[851] And it might not always be that way.
[852] And it definitely isn't.
[853] But when you have this symbol of a delicious steaming apple pie, things feel a little less hopeless and a little more hopeful.
[854] Is there a pie that you just hate on a personal level?
[855] Is there a specific pie that you're like, no, that's not for me?
[856] It's pumpkin.
[857] I'm so sorry to everybody that absolutely loves pumpkin.
[858] It's just not for me. or anything with a jello in it.
[859] I'm weird about the texture of jello.
[860] Statistically, Stacey's an aberration, according to the American Pie Council, pumpkin pie is a big business, especially for Thanksgiving, with over 50 million pumpkin pies eaten every November.
[861] Now, before I left, Stacey, I had one more question.
[862] One more question for the pie expert who's explored way more of America than I have.
[863] Completely unrelated to the pies, or maybe it is related to the pies.
[864] Do you have a place you ended up in America that really surprised you or stands out in a positive way?
[865] South Dakota completely blew me away.
[866] I had never ever been any place like it.
[867] It felt like the moon, mainly because there was barely anyone on the roads.
[868] I saw an actual tumbleweed, which it was like the most amazing thing in the entire world.
[869] And also the culture and the deep -rooted food that's available.
[870] in South Dakota that isn't available anywhere else and the landscapes.
[871] Yeah.
[872] If you ever get a chance to go to South Dakota.
[873] Go to South Dakota.
[874] It's very beautiful.
[875] It'll blow you away.
[876] I saw my first tumbleweed in Roswell, New Mexico, and I thought I was hallucinating.
[877] They're so big.
[878] They're so big.
[879] And there were so many of them, and they're on the fucking road.
[880] It's actually a whole other topic I need to do was fucking tumbleweed.
[881] You've just reminded me. You have to do tumbleweeds.
[882] When I saw a tumbleweed was like when I was in college here and saw a red solo cup for the first time and was like, these exist, this is for real.
[883] I bought a 12 pack of them back to Hong Kong with me my first break and I was like, you guys, it's real.
[884] Let me teach you beer pong.
[885] Future episodes incoming, red cups and tumbleweets.
[886] But for now, I've got about 47 other pie flavors to try.
[887] The red cup thing I thought was just a joke in American comedies.
[888] You did.
[889] And when I got to America and saw them, I was like, oh, just a thing you do.
[890] You have to do an episode on Red Solo Cups.
[891] You can also get blue, but Red's the color.
[892] Oh, my God.
[893] 50 Pies, 50 States is the book.
[894] It's an amazing book.
[895] I'm getting that.
[896] So she's also formulated her recipes for that.
[897] So she's like an amazing chef.
[898] So she, Baker Chef, I don't know the terminology.
[899] So she basically, yeah, she basically has formulated her best recipe.
[900] So it's got them all in there.
[901] I'm excited.
[902] I'm going to buy it.
[903] It's a cool book.
[904] I like how she also mentioned that they're always on the table, even through financially difficult times, people will find cheeky ways to still get a delicious pie sitting there to keep everyone happy.
[905] Yeah, because it is such a token of American culture.
[906] And like she said, abundance, you need it there to feel some hope.
[907] Yeah.
[908] It's hope.
[909] It's like there's a sweet treat.
[910] And just rewinding to the very beginning of this episode, American pie, that comedy, is like the beginning of gross out comedy being big.
[911] That was huge in New Zealand.
[912] Is that big here?
[913] Huge.
[914] It was a time, wasn't it?
[915] It was such a time.
[916] Eugene Levy made him massive again.
[917] Stiffler's mom.
[918] I guess there'll be like kids listening to this who are like, what?
[919] Right?
[920] Or would they know it?
[921] Has it gone to the culture like Forrest Gump did where everyone kind of knows the references?
[922] They made 11 of them, so I think it was around for a while.
[923] There's so many, right?
[924] No, but like, does Calvin know about what you ask?
[925] Oh, Calvin does not.
[926] Can you watch it?
[927] Can we get a review of him?
[928] What is he doing to the pie?
[929] No, don't do that.
[930] That's child abuse.
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[932] Oh, so sweet.
[933] This was really fun and I enjoyed this.
[934] I do think you have some other ones you've got to try.
[935] I've got a lot of pies I need to try.
[936] And I've got a bonus for you.
[937] We've been recording remotely a few times because we've been sick and whatnot.
[938] Quilting, that quilting episode.
[939] So many people have gotten in touch with me wanting to send you, Rob Dax, me quilts.
[940] Oh, my God.
[941] Endless.
[942] That's exciting.
[943] And I can't reply to everyone so kind that people want to do this.
[944] But that blog I write Webworm, I kind of trust those people.
[945] And so I gave one of them my address because they're like, they're nice people and I interact.
[946] And I know that lovely.
[947] And so she sent a quilt.
[948] A quilt.
[949] They're here.
[950] I bought them in.
[951] So my quilt is at home.
[952] It's got cats on it.
[953] So Susan Marshall sent these in.
[954] She just basically said, this is a note for the rest of the crew.
[955] I've been a fan of the show since week one.
[956] I know everyone says it, but it's true.
[957] I've always seen photos of the attic and thought making a quilt for guests would be fun.
[958] She's been making quilts for her friends and family for 20 years.
[959] Wow.
[960] She's got an Etsy store.
[961] I was inspired to finally make one for all of you when I heard the Flight of the Spirit episode about quilts.
[962] Also, when Monica confessed that no one had ever made her a quilt.
[963] A lot of people felt sad about that.
[964] I think most people haven't had a quilt made for them.
[965] It just sounded so sad.
[966] No one's made me a quilts.
[967] No one's even made me a quilt.
[968] Monica, your quilts was the hardest because I know you're a Virgo, meaning your particular.
[969] You mean a Virgo?
[970] Yeah, that's what he did.
[971] Oh, what did I say?
[972] I say Virgin.
[973] Virgo.
[974] Oh, Virgo.
[975] You can find Virgin and Virgo.
[976] You did.
[977] And I was like, she's wrong.
[978] She's wrong about her.
[979] A Virgo.
[980] A Virgo.
[981] I've never said that out loud I don't do the stars and the sun and all that stuff I'm really embarrassing myself I'm bad with astrology When I saw this fabric about empowering women I knew it was for you A few days later the ding ding ding ding moment came The pantone I'm afraid of saying words now Pantone color was announced Patone And one of the fabrics Was the pantone color No way This is wow.
[982] Okay.
[983] Rob and Dax, this one I'm made to leave in the attic.
[984] I'm hoping the colors go with the gray, blue in the attic.
[985] Dax, she never get a cold, but Monica and the guests might use it.
[986] Rob, I wanted to make your son a baseball quilt, but I couldn't remember which Chicago baseball team you supported.
[987] If you'd like one, message me. White Sox.
[988] Yeah, it's the white socks.
[989] Right, white socks.
[990] She's frigging kind.
[991] I hope you like these quilts.
[992] If not, just give them to the people you love the fabrics.
[993] Mucene, washable, and easy to care for.
[994] Oh, my God.
[995] I'm so excited to see him.
[996] Pantone.
[997] Wow.
[998] Okay, this is pretty.
[999] Oh, my God.
[1000] It's like thick.
[1001] It's a great fabric.
[1002] Ooh, it's comfy.
[1003] What does the text say?
[1004] It says empower women.
[1005] Oh, that's cool.
[1006] This is so sweet.
[1007] It's pink.
[1008] I love pink.
[1009] And Rob.
[1010] This is the one for you in Dax.
[1011] It's soft and beautiful.
[1012] It's very cuddly.
[1013] It's really soft.
[1014] Thank you so much.
[1015] This is so sweet.
[1016] What's also interesting, and I like, the one we have from our friend from the episode, is such a specific type of quilt.
[1017] So amazing.
[1018] Wait, did you know that on Armature Anonymous, one of our guests knows him, Luke, and had one of his quilts up.
[1019] Oh, that's so weird.
[1020] Weird?
[1021] Yeah, because Luke's stuff is amazing, detailed and machine driven and your faces are on that thing.
[1022] Yes.
[1023] These are sort of more like, I don't want to say typical.
[1024] They're beautiful.
[1025] No, they're gorgeous.
[1026] You're like the standard shapes and textures and fabrics.
[1027] The one we have from Luke is very thin, and this one's fluffy and soft.
[1028] Yeah, that's a winter time in the attic.
[1029] Wra.
[1030] Wrap yourself up in that.
[1031] Imagine when guests come in, you and Dax are just like wrapped up in these quilts.
[1032] Like, what are you doing?
[1033] So, yeah, I know we've sort of bought quilts and Lord of the Rings back into the Pies episode, but why not?
[1034] Why not?
[1035] It's chock -a -bock.
[1036] Well, Merry Christmas.
[1037] Happy New Year.
[1038] Thanksgiving.
[1039] What a time.
[1040] Happy Lord of the Rings release.
[1041] Happy Pie Day.
[1042] Happy Pie Day.
[1043] Callie's birthday is Pie Day, the number, 314.
[1044] Oh, that's really cute.
[1045] So Pie Day is on, we've missed it.
[1046] It's on January 23rd.
[1047] So put it in your diary.
[1048] Next year, eat all the pie you can eat.
[1049] Apple's the best.
[1050] All right.
[1051] I think we're all more American.
[1052] We are.
[1053] And my cholesterol is bumped up by half a point.
[1054] Bye.