JRE MMA Show #76 with Terence Crawford

[0] Ladies and gentlemen, one of the best boxers on planet Earth and his trainer, Bo Mac and Terrence Crawford.

[1] Gentlemen, thank you very much for coming here.

[2] Thank you, man. We're live now.

[3] Appreciate it, appreciate it.

[4] Hey, man, I'm a big fan of yours.

[5] We've talked about you many times on this podcast.

[6] I'm a huge fan of the way you switch stances.

[7] You know, you switch stances as smooth as anybody ever.

[8] Like, you've got to go back to Marvin Hager to find a champ that switch stances like as fluidly as you.

[9] It's pretty impressive stuff, man. Have you always been doing that?

[10] A lot of practice.

[11] Yeah, since I was little, I remember getting in trouble because I used to always switch and my coach used to always say, you need to worry about fighting the one style first and perfecting that before you try to switch and do a different style.

[12] But I always switched, so it got to the point where there was just like, all right, well, you're going to fight like that, we're going to train like that.

[13] Wow.

[14] So you forced it through.

[15] Right.

[16] Wow.

[17] Now, when you first started out, was there anybody that, it influenced you to switch like that or was it just something you felt naturally it was just naturally wow it was just like all right this not working so i got to do something else just make it more tricky right yeah well that's that's part of what's interesting about watching you fights watching you fight is that you could see you trying to figure out what's up like first rounds with when when you fight is one of my favorite things to watch because i see you measuring dudes i see things happening and you're switching stances and then when you start finding the timing it's like timing is one of the the more fascinating things to watch about boxing because a guy who has perfect timing and perfect when you see a guy make a read and then execute and it's perfect it's one of the most beautiful things in all of sports right right it's like you you know you're watching their every move and then you just dissecting them slowly how do you think do you think about it like when you when you start around a first round of a fight is it different for every fighter or do you always want to do that Do you always want to, like, put him into the computer?

[18] No, it's different.

[19] It's different.

[20] Like, sometimes I just want to go out there and just be like, all right, I'm going to see what this dude.

[21] I see if he can take it.

[22] Just go right to him.

[23] Yeah.

[24] And then sometimes I just be like, all right, I'm going to take my time and, you know, figure him out, see how fast he is, see, you know, what things he likes to do and what he don't like to do.

[25] Or see if I move this way, his reaction, just certain things.

[26] It's, you know, you came to the U .S. UFC this weekend.

[27] And obviously I love MMA, but one of the things that I love about boxing is when you take all the elements, you take away wrestling and kicking and all that stuff, you get the highest level of exchanges and punches.

[28] And you get to see with guys like you, guys like Canello or Floyd, or the top level boxes, you get to see what's possible.

[29] With guys that are training with the best scientific methods and with all the knowledge of all the past fighters, I mean, when you were growing up, what was the fighter that influenced you, most.

[30] Well, hands down, Floyd Mayweather and Roy Jones Jr. You know, I used to love watching Roy Jones Jr. I'm pretty sure everybody was a fan of Roy.

[31] But set aside, Roy, I always watched Floyd Mayweather and Pernell Whitaker.

[32] Yes.

[33] I was too young for Sugar Ray Leonard and them, so.

[34] I'm old enough for that.

[35] I was there for the Sugar Ray Leonard days.

[36] I was there for Sugar Ray, Tommy Hearns, the Sugar Ray Duran.

[37] I was there for all that stuff.

[38] But I watched everything.

[39] When I was young, my coach, Midge Minor, he used to always take me to his house and watch boxing tapes.

[40] That was to keep me off the streets and keep me out of trouble until I went to the gym.

[41] Is he still around?

[42] No, he passed.

[43] Damn, he probably like, look at that.

[44] Boy, did that work out.

[45] You know, we talk about an investment in time that worked out tremendous.

[46] Yeah, it's always, in our culture, there's a special place for the highest level of boxers.

[47] It's like a special place of admiration.

[48] And I just feel like with guys like Lomachenko, with guys like you, with Canello and Triple G, this is a great time for boxing.

[49] It's fun to watch, man. There's so many Earl Spence, Jr. There's so many elite boxers right now.

[50] It's like a really exciting time.

[51] For sure, for sure.

[52] Do you recognize your place in history?

[53] Do you recognize that, like, you're a special dude?

[54] Of course, of course.

[55] Like I always tell people when they mention me and Errol Spence, you know, of course I want the fight.

[56] I'll tell everybody that I always say with or without him, I'm going to the Hall of Fame.

[57] When you look at all the things that I have accomplished in the sport of boxing, people that's in the Hall of Fame didn't even accomplish that.

[58] You know, so I just tell people I don't need him.

[59] He really need me. Well, we need it.

[60] Boxing, right?

[61] Don't you agree?

[62] Yeah, boxing do need that fight.

[63] Boxing needs it.

[64] I mean, it's one of the beautiful things about when a Canello and a Triple G do get together.

[65] As you see these guys in their respective weight classes that are in their prime, it's fun.

[66] You know, like, that's what everybody wants to see.

[67] That's the fight, right?

[68] That's what it's all about.

[69] It's just stop a whole lot of barbershop conversations.

[70] Yes.

[71] You need to stop a whole lot of comedy club conversations, barbershop, garage, everywhere.

[72] Yeah, that's the fight to make in your weight class right now, right?

[73] For sure.

[74] What's the hold up?

[75] You've got to ask them.

[76] Oh, it's them?

[77] Everybody has to hold out a little bit, right?

[78] You get the best deal, right?

[79] That's cool.

[80] That's cool.

[81] You know, it's all about business.

[82] But at the same time, my side of the deal is ready whenever.

[83] And you can see all the interviews out there, man. You can see where if it was Terrance or myself or Bob or anybody that's affiliated with Tim Crawford.

[84] we all say we want to fight, you know.

[85] Yeah.

[86] We had to fight tomorrow, you know, if we wanted to.

[87] So, but we know the reality it won't happen.

[88] So when, would you think that he's waiting for the right time marketing wise, or do you think he's ready for the right time where his skills he feels like are able to challenge you?

[89] Like, what do you think is the actual holdup?

[90] I think it has something to do with Top Rank and PPC.

[91] Oh, okay.

[92] So it's a promoter issue.

[93] So it's a financial scramble.

[94] I won't say financial because the money will be there if the fight was ever made.

[95] I just think it's, you know...

[96] Eagles.

[97] Yeah.

[98] Egos.

[99] I think it would be probably some eagles.

[100] So do you think hopefully this is just something that's going to take a little while, but it will eventually come to play?

[101] Of course.

[102] I think it'll happen, you know, but I think, you know, me being with top rank is standing in a way of a lot of things happening.

[103] That makes sense That makes sense It's like It's interesting The promoters Of boxing promoters Work together well at all Right You know like you think about it Like if the UFC Had to work with Bellator And put together Some world championship fight Basically there's so many times You got champion versus champion They have two different promoters And they have to decide to get together And make this happen Who want to get the more Most of the pot That's probably what it is Yes Or what network is going to be on If it's going to be on Fox or ESPN And who's going to promote it And It's also like When some like Floyd Mayweather has done what he's done and sold the kind of paper views that he's sold and then you know and achieved this sort of level of financial fame as well as like people he's famous not just for being the best boxer but famous for being insanely rich like that's part of the fame because he promoted yes because he figured it out and a lot of other people are going to probably try to do the same thing as well right that's just namasteur too busy right too busy.

[104] Yeah, man. I mean, you got to just stay busy being Terrence Crawford.

[105] You want to be promoting.

[106] That seems like a lot of a pain in the ass, man. I'll do all that.

[107] I do all that.

[108] I do all to promote that.

[109] I run my mouth and fit.

[110] What about after you're done when your career's over, when you've retired, do you think you do some promoting then or training?

[111] What would you do?

[112] No, I'll just be in my gym back at home.

[113] My coach got us a gym and just put my time and effort into the kids in the gym and my five kids that I have.

[114] Beautiful.

[115] Yeah, that's a solid plan, you know You don't need to get involved in that promoting shit Now, he do get in the gym sometimes And work with the fighters Do you?

[116] Yeah Why's that funny?

[117] Because it's funny to see him work with him Because after about two rounds He'll say, I can't do this shit, man Is he not listening?

[118] No, man, it's like you're telling them over and over To do one little simple thing And like, just say you tell them keep your right hand up right and they keep going like this you're like are you talking about brand new people like yeah like even even even boxers that's been boxing for years that they really don't have the fundamentals down to a T and you're like dude you've been boxing too long for you to still be making this same mistake and it's like I only could say certain things for so for sure and learn and then it's just like all right I ain't saying it no more well yeah Yeah, your opinion is as valuable as anybody alive.

[119] You're one of the best fucking boxers ever.

[120] You're a beginning boxer, and Terrence Crawford's teaching you something, you're not listening?

[121] They're probably nervous as shit.

[122] Probably, for sure.

[123] For sure.

[124] But that's crazy that you'd be working with beginners.

[125] That must be wild for them.

[126] I work with all of them.

[127] That's awesome.

[128] That's got to freak them out, though.

[129] Especially the ones that's professional.

[130] And they be in the gym, and I'd be yelling at them.

[131] they'd be on the midst with Beaumac I'll come over there and critique them and they'd be like here come bud they look at me like am I doing it right am I doing it right you know so I just want everybody to win I'll just keep them sharp well when someone has achieved that level the level that you have you know like anybody around you that gets a chance to watch your train and be a part of that that's that's gigantic to see something like that in the gym wouldn't you agree just to see like an elite world champion I mean for just having him around, you know, in the gym when he's not even supposed to be training or just being around and the other fighters around is, it's phenomenal because you'll see this little extra push in the guys.

[132] Sure.

[133] You know, or like, he'll come and run with him, and I can see the smaller guys who are trying to get ahead of him, you know, so it's cool, man, it's cool, it's really cool.

[134] Yeah, that's, do you think about that, how much you're inspiring guys?

[135] Of course, all the time.

[136] That's why I come to the gym.

[137] when Beaumack be like, man, just take a rest.

[138] Just relax.

[139] I come to the gym and work out when, you know, I don't have nothing coming up just so I can show them.

[140] Like, even though I'm the champion of the world, I still work extra hard to make sure I stay champion because it's harder to keep the championship title than getting there.

[141] It's one of the more beautiful things about boxing is there's no shortcuts.

[142] None.

[143] For the best ever, you have to train.

[144] You have to train hard it's fuck.

[145] You just got to do it when you don't want to do it.

[146] There's no doubt about it.

[147] You've got to do everything you're supposed to do.

[148] There's no if, ands or butts.

[149] And if you don't, it'll fuck with your head.

[150] And that's one thing I took from Floyd Mayweather.

[151] You will always see him working out.

[152] I don't care if he was at a bar.

[153] You'll see him running from the bar.

[154] He got his little workout clothes in his little TMT van.

[155] And he just ran home.

[156] Like you'll see him three o 'clock in the morning.

[157] Man, let's go work out.

[158] You know, and that's what I, my Meyer, the Mosa, is his work ethic.

[159] His work ethic's off the chart.

[160] This is the only way you'd be that good.

[161] There's no other way.

[162] I mean, yeah, he understands boxing at a level that, I mean, grew up with it, having his dad and his uncle and all that.

[163] The family was so many great boxers around him all the time.

[164] But he, you don't get that good without insane work ethic.

[165] There's no shortcuts.

[166] No, not at all.

[167] I have never seen nobody, like, put as much work in as Floyd.

[168] So that's why, you know, for me, I'm like thinking to myself, I got to work twice as harder, you know, if I want to get above him because I never want to be like anybody.

[169] I always want to be myself, but I want to surpass the people that was in front of me. Was it eye -opening when you got to watch him train?

[170] Of course, of course.

[171] You know, when I was younger, it lets me know that I wasn't working as hard.

[172] So now when fighters come to my camp or I bring in some sparring partners or some friends that's professional that I just want to, you know, come to camp and just experience, just being in camp with a world champion, they all say the same thing.

[173] Man, I thought I was working hard until I came up here, man. You work, man, you work too hard.

[174] And it ain't for some people because some people, they just be like, ah, I can't do it today.

[175] Nah, I'm going to let y 'all do them too.

[176] I'm going to go to the gym, but I ain't going to do the other stuff.

[177] I just be like, man, come on, man. They're like, man, my body.

[178] I'd be like, man, see, that's what's going to determine winning and losing.

[179] You complaining about your body when you can rest later, you know.

[180] Right.

[181] What other stuff you're trying to get them to do?

[182] I know you do a lot of stair running, right?

[183] I do a lot of everything.

[184] I do yoga.

[185] I do strength of condition.

[186] I do swimming.

[187] Hot yoga, too.

[188] You do hot yoga?

[189] I love that.

[190] Hey, Joe, I used to do it, too, dog.

[191] I believe you.

[192] Listen, man. Everybody can do it.

[193] It's just a mixture of, you know, just all around body working out.

[194] What do you find that you get out of yoga?

[195] Oh, man. Yoga is harder than you think.

[196] You know, you in there, you got to control your breathing.

[197] You know, just holding your hands in certain positions is tiring.

[198] So them little muscles that you really not using, you know, in a day -to -day activities, you're using in yoga and it's just burning and you're just like man just holding your hands up like this and going like this you be like you're in there shaking like man it's kind of burning and you see the girls and you're like trying to do it and it just it helps you with your balance as well yeah it helps you with a bunch of things it's just interesting that more fighters don't adopt it you know I think anything that makes your body more flexible and increases your range of motion and then gives you strength and all the it feels like when I do yoga like all the connecting stuff like the shoulders and hips and knees all that gets like this extra stability workout that you don't really get from a lot of other things i feel like it connects everything together good and it and it helps you prevent injuries yeah yeah so now speaking of that like what do you do in terms of recovery do you do uh ice baths or sauna and massage like what kind of and just get massages.

[199] That's a grown -up in Nebraska thing, though, right?

[200] What's that?

[201] Cold.

[202] It's cold in Nebraska, but I'm used to that cold, but I just can't fix myself to get in the ice tub.

[203] I never was that type.

[204] It's hard.

[205] Yeah, it is hard.

[206] I'd be like.

[207] You pick your poison.

[208] Yeah, I stick my feet in there and be like, I ain't getting in there.

[209] Yeah, it's rough.

[210] They'd be like, come on, it's going to help you all.

[211] It's going to help me next time.

[212] Fuck, man. Have you ever fucked with cryotherapy?

[213] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[214] I did that one time.

[215] That's easier.

[216] Yeah, it was cool because it's dry.

[217] It's dry and it's only three minutes.

[218] Yeah, but that ice bath, I do the cryo.

[219] The ice bath, nah, you want it.

[220] I'll be sore.

[221] I don't know what the science says.

[222] What's better?

[223] I've heard both things.

[224] I've heard that the ice bath's better because it's prolonged because it's like 15 minutes.

[225] And I've heard that cryo is better because you hit your body with such a high degree of cold that it freaks out and produces these cold shock proteins better but either one you do those um you do massage you do yoga what kind of i know you do strength and conditioning stuff got watch your instagram right you got a great instagram right and your kids are wrestlers right yeah that's awesome yeah do you think your kids ever fight mama no actually i'm gonna i'm trying to convert them to baseball really party in the next year you know because it ain't it ain't that much money in wrestling it's true You know, when you look at the MMA fighters, they ain't making a lot of money to get beat up, like, like, getting beat up.

[226] Like, look at Pettis.

[227] He broke his feet, right?

[228] Yeah, it looked like he broke one of his ankles, maybe, or at least heard it.

[229] I'm pretty sure he didn't make over $300 ,000 for that fight.

[230] I'd like to know, see if you find out how much Anthony Pettus made for that fight.

[231] He broke his foot, for sure.

[232] Oh, yeah, he was walking around or being pushed around the wheelchair today.

[233] On Instagram.

[234] Yeah, it's rough.

[235] You see people get knee, kicked in the face, teeth.

[236] Do you look at it as being more brutal than boxing?

[237] Yeah.

[238] You take more at risk in UFC.

[239] Boxing, more head injuries.

[240] But UFC more risk for...

[241] Yeah, for sure for injuries, right?

[242] Broken bones and ankles and knees and shit.

[243] Yeah.

[244] And I just think it ain't worth all that.

[245] boxing ain't worth a lot of things too because you're seeing people die in the ring and yeah it ain't worth your life at the end of the day when you decide to hang it up how will you know when you never well me personally i won't think i'll ever know when but i just got a date and the age like all right you know middle 30s middle how old you now i'll be 32 next month so you're close close so you have it in your head just god on top like Marvin Hagger was one of the only ones ever do it he went on on top another switch hitter Marvin Hagger was the only one out of all the greats who lost that fight controversial loss to Sugar Ray Leonard's like fuck this I'm done just walked away nope nope never never came back his last fight was Ray Litterin yep that was it controversial loss to Leonard became a movie star in Italy he ever seen his movies in Italy no I just know you want to watch some clips it's hilarious you can pull up Marvin Hagg were fucking people up.

[246] He's like a movie star.

[247] He does like these crazy Italian movies.

[248] What is this?

[249] This is how much he made for $155 ,000.

[250] Wow.

[251] Another $155 if he won.

[252] So Diaz made a flat $250 for the win.

[253] Yeah.

[254] They used to, before the Reebok deal, they used to make much more for that.

[255] For sponsorships.

[256] Because I got a buddy, Mersaa Baked it.

[257] Yeah, I know that guy.

[258] He's really good.

[259] Very talented.

[260] Oh, is he?

[261] Oh, is he?

[262] Oh, okay, cool.

[263] He's from Bosnia, but he lives in Lincoln, Nebraska.

[264] Oh, okay.

[265] You know, real good friends, real good friends.

[266] Talented kid.

[267] Yeah, and they just always say, all right, well, we get paid for this, if we win, this for showing up, this, if we get best knockout of the day.

[268] Whatever.

[269] This is Marvin Hagler as this is Marvin Hagler as an action hero.

[270] And this is like not far after the fight with Indio 2.

[271] because there was a lot of shit that was unresolved after Indio 1.

[272] He was...

[273] I've never seen that before.

[274] Oh, these are the spaghetti westerns, like, but for, you know, whatever year this...

[275] Like, Marvin Haggard, shooting everybody, this is hilarious.

[276] So can he speak the language?

[277] Yeah, yeah, apparently he speaks Italian.

[278] And, you know, he's a star over there.

[279] Wow.

[280] Yeah.

[281] Look at him.

[282] Body shot.

[283] But he just decided, like, he's a star.

[284] I don't want a box anymore.

[285] I'm done.

[286] That's hilarious.

[287] That's good for him, though.

[288] You don't got to get punched in the head no more.

[289] He speaks perfect.

[290] When you hear him speak today, they do, you know, occasionally doesn't ever.

[291] I'd love to.

[292] Yeah, I'd like to meet that guy.

[293] He was my hero when I was a kid.

[294] I remember there was a video of him.

[295] He was trained from Mustafa Ham Show, and he's running down Cape Cod in the winter with a hoodie on just screaming, war.

[296] War!

[297] All the cold coming out of his mouth, the steam.

[298] And he's running, I was like, oh, my God.

[299] Because I was, you know, doing martial arts back then, and I was watching him going like, that is, that's the ultimate champion.

[300] That's a champion that puts himself in a terrible play, puts himself down on the cape in the wintertime to do all his training in the cold, and runs in the cold.

[301] And he does it, he runs in combat boots, too.

[302] He ran in combat boots.

[303] And he would just be, he was hard as fuck.

[304] And he just had crazy work ethic, crazy work ethic.

[305] And I remember whenever I would think about being, thinking about being lazy, I would think of him.

[306] running down the beach going war just shadow punching in the beach roar it's crazy that you say that because I remember when we was little we used to always run in the cold I mean it'd be so cold where the snot is freezing up you tearing up but as you get older you'd be like man I ain't about to run that cold I run on the treadmill well you already know you already know you you know how to fight you already know you know how to persevere you already know you're a champion you already know you're at the top of the game you don't have to prove that to yourself anymore you know how tough you are no no it'd be times that it'd be times that i just be like all right we need that that hardcore work let's go everybody like what we ain't going to why no one time one time we ran right after the Thanksgiving dinner oh no right after right after thanksgiving Everybody's stuffed I don't get out there I just get in the truck Yeah let's go Come on Everybody like what What?

[307] So he made He made Thanksgiving dinner And we're in training camp So you know We all got loose weight and stuff And Pol made All this food Man we all grubbing and stuff And then so I'm eating After I get done eating I'm like man I'm stuffed I'm like man I can't wake up this heavy I was like man everybody let's get it ready to go and run and everybody looking at me laying down like man it's cold you trick you for real so we running with these little flashlight like the little oh man like hiker lights yeah when you go fishing and stuff so we all running everybody honking it's at night it was pretty chill wow yeah but that kind of shit like what Floyd Mayweather does that's that 2 o 'clock in the morning workout routine every now like it's good to just throw monkey wrench into your sense of what you should be doing and when.

[308] Be ready to do it always.

[309] That's why their cold weather running is big.

[310] Cold weather running.

[311] Those people that live in cold climates that run in the winter, man, that's a hearty breed of human.

[312] That's not a regular person that decides.

[313] Like, nobody's got a gun to your head.

[314] It's not your job.

[315] You decide to put your fucking running shoes on and lace up and go out there when it's zero.

[316] It's kind of like when before I fought AmeriCon.

[317] And I was down there shadow boxing in the snow in that blizzard.

[318] Oh, oh, yeah.

[319] I put it on, I put it on my Instagram.

[320] Everybody was like, oh, he's training for Spence.

[321] Like, we got like 10 inches that day.

[322] 10 inches that day.

[323] It was blizzard.

[324] And we actually got knocked off a couple of days from leaving for training camp.

[325] Wow.

[326] Because it was so much fucking snow, dude.

[327] But there's something about that.

[328] Like, even you're talking about it.

[329] You know it's kind of wild.

[330] You're out there boxing in the snow.

[331] No. Shadowboxing in the middle of a blizzard.

[332] Something wild about that.

[333] But it's crazy, though, because when it's snowing it, it's not that cold.

[334] Right.

[335] It's true, isn't it?

[336] Yeah, like, insulates a little bit in some weird way.

[337] I was just sitting in the house, and it was just like, man, go outside and do something.

[338] So I went outside, ran a little bit, and then I come home, and I was like, come here.

[339] It's like, what?

[340] Like, come and record me. Shadowboxing and stuff after I ran.

[341] So it was cool.

[342] So when I see you doing those stair runs, you do it.

[343] that quite a bit right right every sunday where you do that at in a condo lot of space don't probably want to tell anybody where you go they know they know oh they go they know oh they go there right oh okay it's that's a famous spot right manitou Springs how many steps is that that whole thing something crazy right is it's a mile and a half up I believe a mile a mile a mile up a hill how long is it take you to get up there probably like 35 minutes that's a fucking horrible run yeah you're not running we walk up but some people running oh you walk it yeah that's insane them people that be running insane because the air getting thinner and thinner as you go and then the steps you got some steps that's like this that's small and then you got some steps where you got to really reach oh like so if you're running you slip yeah it's a fucked up tumble yes real okay for real yeah like when you when you up at the top feel like you in the clouds sometimes Like, looking down, like the cars is straight shot.

[344] Would you do your training camp up there in Colorado Springs?

[345] Right.

[346] Just for the altitude?

[347] Yeah.

[348] I actually got a house up there.

[349] Oh, really?

[350] You just go back and do it for each camp.

[351] What made you decide to do your camps out there?

[352] Just to get away from home, you know, clear my head, get away from all the negativity.

[353] And I've been doing it since 2013.

[354] 13?

[355] Yeah, 2013.

[356] So do you have a gym set up at?

[357] at the house oh that's nice i saw like canello had something like that down in san diego there was a thing when he was training for one of his fights they just ran in the house turn the garage into a boxing ring so you do that kind of thing you have it all set up out there yeah a lot of guys do that at big bear too right yeah it's similar to that yeah having that high altitude is that what you prefer like like for your wind yeah that helped my win but at the same time everything is is already set up like everything from the yoga to the swimming to the gym to everything it's like a second home to me so it's not like i got to go looking to find where i'm going to do this where i'm going to do this it's like everything is everything and you know my family come up there and visit me and we get the job done it's all locked in right now when you go up there who sets your schedule as far as what your daily routine is I do.

[358] You said everything, yoga, everything?

[359] Well, it's two more coaches that helps me. Sao DiGis and Red Spikes, so we all get together.

[360] We make a calendar like a month in advance.

[361] Now, when you do things like when you add in yoga and swimming, how do you know when to put those in?

[362] Well, everything was all, it started off with a trial in the air back in 2013.

[363] Grab that microphone.

[364] Pull it up close to it.

[365] Like I said, it moves all over the place.

[366] All right.

[367] Like I said, it's started with a trial and error.

[368] 2013, you know, we tried this and we tried that, and we started doing this and we start doing that.

[369] And then, you know, just look at the fighter and just see if it's working for him, you know.

[370] And if it's working for him, you want to stick with it.

[371] And then you start adding little small things into it, like the yoga and the swimming, the run and the incline.

[372] and so after so many amount of years I think we've been since 13 I mean he just worked like clockwork now now do you monitor in your heart rate or how do you know like do you do any of that stuff while you're training nothing just go by feel yeah yeah there's a two schools of thought right the schools of thought is like the old way is the best way like just do hard shit chop wood you know run do the do the standard stuff and then there's other people that watch their macros and you know you're smiling you're not watching macros i know what you're talking about but we don't we don't do none of that yeah i think we train more or less like the old school way but we do got like some of the new stuff in like the strength and condition we got the strength of condition uh guy jamie belt he's excellent and he kind of adds a little stuff the new modern a stuff into the workouts like sometimes i'd be wanting to do more and he'd be like no that was that was enough for you like you might not think you did enough but trust me you'll feel it tomorrow and you wake up tomorrow and you like God damn like really is sore but there's sometimes like I'll add in some stuff and just I'll just you know try to make things different he looked at me saying no but we're not doing that because you already be like dead and he's like trying to add extra stuff or he'll be like one more round all right come on one more round and then you'll do that one more round and then be like all right we got one more round around y 'all you'd be like man you'd be like man i just pushed everything out of that last round because you said that was the last round well come on baby come on i'm not about to argue with you so you could be great so it's like all right well the fighter it's like there's a there's got to be a balancing point right like you don't want to do too much right so like when that guy told you like that's enough for today and you like want to keep going that's the natural inclination is to work harder yeah it's that weird balancing point where you got to figure out when you're over -training.

[373] Right.

[374] So if you're not monitoring your heart rate or anything like that, you just basically, if you have a flat day, you feel flat, you just chill out.

[375] Yeah, yeah.

[376] So just all by feel.

[377] Sometimes, Bob always asks me before we go work out, how you feel it?

[378] How you feel?

[379] Like, I'm good, boy, I'm good.

[380] Or sometimes I'd be like, man, I'm tired.

[381] He'd be like, all right, well, we're just going to coast today.

[382] Like, if it's sparring day, he'd be like, all right, well, don't be trying to do too much.

[383] We're just going to spar, hit the mist, get out.

[384] We ain't going to do no bad.

[385] We ain't going to do nothing next year.

[386] And then after I do the bag and sparring, I mean not the bag, but the mids and spar, I might be feeling good.

[387] And I'd be like, man, let's do that.

[388] Like, no, you say you weren't feeling good at first.

[389] Listen, come on.

[390] Let's go.

[391] That's the hardest part, right?

[392] Yeah.

[393] To know when to pull it back?

[394] Right.

[395] Because he knows me. He's been with me since the beginning.

[396] So he knows just by looking at me, you know, what type of day I'm having, like either in the gym or outside the gym.

[397] That's got to be important, isn't it?

[398] Like, knowing him from the time when he was younger and just starting out to today?

[399] It definitely is.

[400] It plays a big part in the relationship as far as, like I say, inside the ring and outside the ring.

[401] Because, you know, as a trainer, you'll never want your fighter to overtrain.

[402] You'll never want him to under -trained.

[403] So, but I'll never have to worry about him under -training because he's always in the gym.

[404] But I do have to worry about him overtraining because he's always in the gym.

[405] You know what I'm saying?

[406] So like you said, some days And we're going to pull back this week Why, man He's been training already for eight weeks You know So, and we still got one or two more weeks to go Before we hit the down date The actual peak point You know, all right, we'll pull back, you know And then sometimes you get out hard -headed And say, no, come on, man, let me do a little bit more All right, do a little bit more But don't do too much, you know You got to put your all into it You know, just Just move around a little bit You know, you got to do basically all fighters like that.

[407] Especially fighters, good fighters.

[408] Because most good fighters like Terrence and other fighters, Jamel Herring, Steve Nelson, you got to pull them back.

[409] You always got to pull them back because they always want to go, go, go, go, go, go.

[410] Because they always got this winning.

[411] I got to fucking win.

[412] I understand that.

[413] I want you to fucking win, too, but I don't want you to break your body down.

[414] I don't want you to do your boxing inside the gym.

[415] You got to have something left when you go.

[416] to the fight.

[417] That's a lesson that's very hard for young guys to learn, right?

[418] Oh, yeah.

[419] Oh, yeah.

[420] Yeah, but it's so critical to know where your body is.

[421] And at this stage of your career, I would imagine you just kind of feel it.

[422] You know exactly.

[423] And when you're in training camp and you're gearing up for a fight, is that how it feels like you know where you're at?

[424] Like, oh, this is where I'm supposed to be.

[425] I feel this right here.

[426] Oh, yeah.

[427] This is normal.

[428] It's funny, though, because every fight, every single fight before the fight, you know, Beaumack always waiting to hear me be like oh man I'm ready I'm ready like sometimes it be a week before the fight sometimes it'd be two weeks before the fight but when he hear that's what I'm that's what I've been waiting on it's like now I'm not I'm comfortable because like sometimes he'd just be like he'll look at me I'll be working and stuff and then He don't say nothing But then when I come to him Like yeah I'm ready He'd be like He said he ready That's what I'm ready You get that from the fire You know what I'm saying Fuck down shit man I'll beat this motherfucker's ass Well because you guys know each other so well And you work together so long You must like say Okay here we are Where we're supposed to be Right right You've been there Falls right into place My biggest thing That I always told Both Every since I was an amateur because I remember losing a couple of fights because I didn't train as hard and I got tired, you know, and I couldn't really do too much.

[429] And I always told Bo, I said, Bo, I said, Bo, if I'm in the best shape that I possibly can be in, nobody being, nobody.

[430] And then, Bo, I was like, I know.

[431] That's why you need to quit bullshit.

[432] So it just got to the point.

[433] That's a real friend.

[434] That's a real trainer and a real friend.

[435] Yeah.

[436] So it just got to.

[437] to the point where I just started, like, training real, real hard, and I was just, like, training not to get it.

[438] How old were you when this happened?

[439] I was a teenager.

[440] I would just start training not to get tired.

[441] If I can go in there and fight and not get tired, I'm going to win.

[442] That's what I always said.

[443] So the switch flipped.

[444] You figured it out.

[445] Because I was losing the people that I shouldn't have lost to, just head down, just swinging all while, but they was in shape.

[446] And I was trying to be all cute and slick.

[447] and get tired now, it's a matter of life and death.

[448] Me, hold, and they pushing me. I'm falling all over the place as a little kid, you know.

[449] And I was just like, I never get that tired ever again in the fight.

[450] That is such an important lesson for young fighters to hear.

[451] Such an important lesson that it's, there's no shortcut.

[452] When you look at a guy like Terrence Crawford, you say, well, that guy must be insanely talented.

[453] I mean, his timing, his reads on people, the ability to switch stances.

[454] He said, well, yeah, how'd that come about?

[455] That talent came about through relentless hard work That's what makes that talent emerge I'm sure you have an amazing inclination for boxing Every elite of the elite fighter does But you don't get to be there without any hard work It doesn't exist There's no way There's no way It's so important for young fighters to hear That's a lot of guys that don't see Is that hard work in the gym You know what I'm saying?

[456] Hard work at home with anything When you look at any top fighter And you look at all the sacrifice they make just to be where they at and you would have people taking shots at them and stuff and they'd be like man you don't know what I didn't put my body do to be here today or you didn't know what I went to went through and it's just like total disrespect for somebody that haven't even stepped foot in the ring you're trying to critique you when they ain't they didn't even step foot to get punched in the face before they can never really understand though right no one could ever really understand what it takes to be an elite Boxer, when your whole, the future of your family, the future of yourself, your financial success and all the people around you is dependent on you navigating the most shark -filled waters in professional sports.

[457] A bunch of trained killers with their hands.

[458] Everybody's real good at knocking other people out with their hands, and you're successfully navigating those waters.

[459] Like, no, no one really understands that other than you.

[460] You and all the other people like, you know, like the real, I mean, people on the outside that are close to you kind of get it a little bit.

[461] you are the only one who's ever going to be able to understand that so all these people are talking shit like they might as well be speaking a language they don't even know what the meaning is facts it's nonsense they're saying nonsense and it's just like you got a bull's eye on your head in your back because you you you reverse first you had your eye on somebody and you was like man I gotta beat this dude after this dude I got to beat this dude so you was eyeing that person that was in your shoes you know that was once champion of the world like I I was I am Ricky Burns when I was coming up.

[462] You know, and after I'll be him, now everybody's eye and me because I'm champ now.

[463] So it's no more Ricky Burns.

[464] It's Terrence Crawford.

[465] We got to get Terrence Crawford.

[466] He's the champ.

[467] So now it's like, damn, everybody wants your head.

[468] So now you've got to train even harder to keep the title.

[469] Do you ever have guys show up at your gym, talk shit, like Shannon Briggs style?

[470] No, we ain't.

[471] You're nobody coming to Omaha, man. Let's come, champ.

[472] Janet Briggs were If you were his weight class He would show up in Omaha No Let's go, Jam Senator Bray He's hilarious He will leave Omaha the same way he came in He didn't Beating got beat up by somebody You ever see what he did The Vladimir Klitschko When they cut each other And that No, when they were Well there's a couple times One in a restaurant Poured water on his head But two He cut him Oh that's right from the broken glass Right But the other time was on uh he was he was on a wakeboard or on a paddle board and uh shannon came by at a boat knocked him off the fucking battle at the way he fell that's how i think that was staged all that stuff i think it was staged i think it was staged seems like it was staged because like man how you know where this man at every single time he that's a good point it's good point and then you just so happen to have some good cameras getting the footage it's true it was some good cameras but shannon wisely would travel with good cameras and then just start making these these scenes But he said he never fought him.

[473] Yeah, he did never fight him.

[474] I think he fought him when he was younger or something, knocked him out or something like that.

[475] Vitale.

[476] Vitale, Vattali, knocked him out.

[477] Yeah.

[478] He fought the older brother, Vitali.

[479] Yeah, he was a monster.

[480] Yeah.

[481] That's what we fought, right?

[482] Vittally.

[483] Vatley.

[484] Vatley.

[485] Vatley.

[486] That's how you say, Vitally.

[487] That guy had an iron jaw.

[488] The brother, nobody could knock out the brother.

[489] It was crazy.

[490] That guy would just take bombs.

[491] Remember when he fought Lennox Lewis?

[492] Yeah, Veedily.

[493] Yeah.

[494] Took bombs.

[495] I mean, that guy was so goddamn durable.

[496] He would have won that fight if he wouldn't have got that cut.

[497] Giant cut.

[498] Yeah, he was winning.

[499] What a weird style, too, right?

[500] He had one of the most awkward, ugh.

[501] Yeah.

[502] Like, so strange watching him throw punches, but it was effective.

[503] He reminded me of Drago off Rocky.

[504] A little bit.

[505] That guy's a doctor.

[506] He's got a Ph .D. I think he speaks like five languages.

[507] What do they call him, Dr. Ironfist?

[508] Wasn't that his name?

[509] Yep.

[510] Look, what a character.

[511] It's interesting, too, like, the heavyweight division has now become the focal point of boxing again.

[512] It's very exciting.

[513] That's good?

[514] Yeah, for a long time.

[515] Vladimir Klitsko was the heavyweight champion of the world, and for whatever reason nobody gave a fuck.

[516] It was weird.

[517] Because he was dominating for all those years.

[518] He was jabbing clutch.

[519] Jabbing clutch.

[520] I think it was because we didn't have the American champion.

[521] Yeah, for sure.

[522] So everybody was like, oh, forget it.

[523] They're probably something to do with it.

[524] But if he was fighting.

[525] And, like, if he was fighting the way Deonté Wilder does, who cares if he's from the moon?

[526] Right.

[527] You know, be starching people like that.

[528] Like, we want to see that guy fight.

[529] Like, you don't care if that guy's from fucking Brazil or wherever he's from.

[530] When he, when you're laying that right hand, it's a good night.

[531] God, damn.

[532] It's one of those punches where people just go, you see people in the audience going, too.

[533] God, he hits hard.

[534] Even when he don't fully extend, it'd be like.

[535] The crazy thing is when he fought Tyson Fury, he was 209.

[536] 209 that's nothing and he punch is so fucking hard it's crazy that dude is an anomaly the fact that he won a bronze medal in the Olympics three years after taking up boxing right it's insane it's just insane yeah because there a lot of people they asked me because we was in the same you know trials in 2007 and it was like do you ever remember Deonté Wilder and the amateurs I said man he came game out of nowhere cracking people I said he never went on none of the duels or nothing he just came out of nowhere he's all the top guys in the heavyweight division crazy that's a he's a unicorn you know when you look at his record what is it like 39 knockouts out of 41 fights is something like that 40 knockouts 40 knockouts And the 41 fights?

[537] Oh, it's four, yeah.

[538] 39, 39.

[539] Yeah, only two fights that went, what is it, the first one?

[540] Was it Brazil?

[541] No, no, Brazil he just knocked out.

[542] Who was, who went the distance?

[543] Stevern.

[544] Stevern went to distance in their first fight.

[545] Stavern.

[546] Yeah, and then he flatlined him in the second fight, that crazy one.

[547] So he hits dudes, people go flying, man. People go flying.

[548] He got the right last name.

[549] Because he'd get wilded in the mug.

[550] And once he get wild, he starts.

[551] How about that interview?

[552] To this day!

[553] And the dude interview was like, shit, what did I do?

[554] What the fuck did I do?

[555] And then he uses hashtag till this day.

[556] He uses that all the time on his Instagram.

[557] So that guy gets shell -shocked.

[558] He gets PTSD every time he reads.

[559] Hashtack till this day, he's like, no. Hey, it's funny, though, because we all be saying that now.

[560] We be like, to this day, I ain't going back to that.

[561] store till his state so everybody just yeah he took that phrase over yeah that was a that was a phrase you know that he just owned he took it over that's his now oh that's his that's his that's his until his day that's his one interview till this day one interview one interview before a fight he's getting geared up but you see to look oh my god he's terrifying it's fucking terrifying when you know how hard that guy hits and he's mad at you you're like this motherfucker about to knock me out Even if you know for sure, 100%, he would never do that.

[562] It's like, you're in the room with a lion.

[563] Like, oh, no. And he's aggressive.

[564] Please, Mr. Lion.

[565] Oh, are you sure this thing's trained?

[566] You sure it's not going to eat me?

[567] He's so, he's, there is.

[568] What the fuck?

[569] Dude, that must have been terrifying.

[570] I don't know.

[571] Please, blaint.

[572] He is fully geared up and ready for war before this fight.

[573] That is, that is hilarious.

[574] That is hilarious.

[575] So this whole division now, if you look at the heavyweight division between, you know, Andy Ruiz, just beats Anthony Joshua, and then they're going to try to figure out, they were going to try to do that in Saudi Arabia.

[576] But apparently Andy's like, eh.

[577] We're going to fight in America.

[578] He should have took it.

[579] In Saudi Arabia?

[580] A big money fight.

[581] I'm sure.

[582] Well, they're still going to do it.

[583] They're just arguing over where it takes place.

[584] Is it off the table now?

[585] I don't know.

[586] Who knows, man?

[587] I mean, you guys know better than me. It's a lot of gamesmanship, right?

[588] Like what you were talking about before, ego and stuff.

[589] Same kind of deal, I'm sure, as the Arrow Spence Jr. fight, same kind of deal.

[590] They're jockeying to see who could get the...

[591] And he's worried about him taking some Mexican supplements while he's over in another country that they won't test him.

[592] So he should have Vada or some testing that is going to go over there and, you know, test the fight.

[593] Yeah, that's one of the reasons why people are going to love a dude like Andy Ruiz as a champion.

[594] like he looks like a regular folk right you know he's like he's got a lot of extra body fat he's a bad motherfucker but you know anthony joshua looks like he was made in the lab he's got a perfect physique man it's crazy how how big i do got he's huge because man he wasn't that big at first but now he slim it down but i think he put on a lot of weight to you know carry with vatimir is that when he put all the weight on yeah i think so What kind of testing they do for that fight?

[595] They test you for everything.

[596] But do they test you for everything at the weigh -ins?

[597] No, see, me, I'm with the Vada.

[598] You're in the full testing pool.

[599] So they show up at 6 o 'clock in the morning, the whole deal?

[600] Yeah, they can test out.

[601] They can test me right now if they wanted to.

[602] So they might be waiting outside right now.

[603] It's cool because I'm good.

[604] But when he fought Vladimir and he got all big, would they do any kind of water testing?

[605] I don't know what type of contract or what they signed for on their contract, on their fight contract, but I know me. When I'm in training camp, they come whenever.

[606] They had come 6 o 'clock in the morning and turn around and come to 6 o 'clock at night if they want to.

[607] That's a point of diminishing returns when you get too much muscle, right?

[608] Like it can make you stronger, but that's going to need a lot of oxygen too.

[609] And if your body's not used to it, if this is over the course of like a year or two, all of a sudden you got this extra muscle?

[610] Are you a fan of guys lifting a lot of weights and looking at that big?

[611] No, no. Lightweight, yeah.

[612] Lightweight, just to stay strong.

[613] Yeah.

[614] Well, I have Avander Holyfield.

[615] We're scheduling the Vander Holyfield.

[616] I'm excited, a huge Evander Holyfield fan.

[617] But he was one of the rare guys that put on the mass and moved up from cruiser weight to heavyweight and fucking still never got tired.

[618] I mean, Evander never got tired.

[619] Because he put the work.

[620] Crazy work ethic.

[621] And he was a guy that got thick.

[622] muscular but it didn't slow him down it enhanced him you know especially when you get into like the tyson fights like that that muscle didn't hold impact at all and he was fucking jacked he was he was in comparison to cruiser weight of rander holyfield do you look at heavy weight of vander holt like the rick bow fights yeah he did he did swell up a lot fuck he was jacked cut though yes chiseled yeah that's what that's what that's what josh should do should cut down a little bit chiseled up and gets to get mobile do you think that and this was that he got mad at Lennox Lewis for saying that he needs to change camps.

[623] Do you think that makes sense?

[624] Maybe just he should sit down with his team and figure out where they went wrong at.

[625] I don't think about it.

[626] I don't think he should change everything.

[627] The word was that he had got knocked out in training.

[628] Mm -hmm.

[629] You heard that as well?

[630] By joy.

[631] Well, if Tans Crawford heard heard it, it's got to be real.

[632] That's what I'm saying.

[633] I'm just going on Twitter now.

[634] I won't say it feels real or fake.

[635] I'm just saying I heard it.

[636] You heard it.

[637] Yeah.

[638] But you know, most people heard that.

[639] Rumors go around and everybody.

[640] out of here, and it's not even true.

[641] That could happen, right?

[642] Like Richard Gere with that gerbil up his ass.

[643] Remember that one?

[644] Do you remember that rumor?

[645] Everybody heard that, right?

[646] You never heard that?

[647] You heard it, right?

[648] Tell him the rumor.

[649] I just heard the rumor.

[650] I don't know how it happened.

[651] When we were kids, there was a rumor that Richard Geer had to go to the hospital, get a gerbil taken out of his ass.

[652] Now, I grew up in the East Coast.

[653] My friend Eddie grew up in California.

[654] He heard the same story.

[655] I was like this is the same goddamn rumor Like how this rumor get across the country with the same age Right No internet The rumor made it all the way across the country When we were in high school So was it true or not?

[656] Probably not I think you'd get a gerbil out yourself You don't need to go to the hospital You know It's not worth the embarrassment You'll take some time and go to the store And buy some tweezers All right But you're uh You don't need to go to the hospital Just get a mirror and some tweezers We can handle this We don't need to let everybody know Our business Right The other one was Rod Stewart Rod Stewart, there was a rumor when we're in high school.

[657] It was pre -high school.

[658] Rod Stewart had swallowed a bunch of jizz and had to go to the hospital and get a stomach pumped.

[659] There's probably some guy who Rod Stewart fucked his girlfriend.

[660] He started spreading his room.

[661] The band guy?

[662] And I probably, sure.

[663] I don't think so because I think, look, when I hosted Fear Factor, we made people drink cum.

[664] They had a drink.

[665] They had a drink donkey cum.

[666] You could drink it.

[667] You could drink a lot of it, and you're fine.

[668] I don't think you have to go to the hospital.

[669] I don't be like, it's over with it.

[670] My experience on Fear Factor taught me that I don't believe that Rod Stewart ever had that real problem.

[671] Hey, so did you ever do anything?

[672] I ate attempts.

[673] I ate some shit.

[674] They wouldn't let me try any of the stunts because of insurance purposes.

[675] Or, you know, they had cause.

[676] The insurance doesn't let the host just try it out for fun.

[677] Like, I wanted to drive some of the cars off buildings and shit, but they wouldn't let me. We had one where they hit a ramp off the top of a building.

[678] They hit a ramp, and the ramp flipped the car through the air, and they flew and they landed on these cardboard boxes they stacked these cardboard boxes up like several stories high and that's how they would get these cars to land softly so the car would boom hit the cardboard boxes and just slowly sink down and then they would use a crane flip the car over and then they could use that car again it didn't even get damaged so these people would fly this fucking car it looked like the craziest amusement park ride ever and you were like to do it oh fuck yeah I wanted to do it man I'm like come on let me do that one it looks easy I'm like I'll do it for for the promo.

[679] Like, come on.

[680] I'd be cool with jumping out the plane.

[681] Yeah, we didn't do any of that, but we did have people bungee cord jump off of a fucking helicopter.

[682] That was crazy.

[683] We had people with a cord that was attached to a helicopter, and then they were hooked up to a tree, and they had to unlock themselves from the tree.

[684] They had a ring of keys.

[685] They had to find the right key in a certain amount of time.

[686] And then when they did it, they unlocked, and ptoying, they went flying through the air because they were attached to a bungee cord.

[687] And the bungee cord was underneath a helicopter, and it would go fucking line.

[688] launching them out into the middle of this crazy canyon.

[689] I was like, oh, my God, someone's going to die.

[690] Someone's going to die.

[691] This isn't worth it.

[692] This job's not worth it.

[693] There was a couple times where I thought someone was going to die.

[694] Yeah, that's crazy.

[695] Stupid.

[696] Ridiculous.

[697] I'm glad we got through it when nobody getting hurt.

[698] Who all came up with the stunts and all that?

[699] There was a bunch of people.

[700] They had a whole team.

[701] There's teams that people that came out with the eating stunts.

[702] There were the B -team stunt guys, and then the A -team stunt guys was the first stunt.

[703] And there was the C, which was like the big championship finale thing.

[704] It's a ridiculous show That's time Man I used to watch that show all the time All the time I can't even believe it's real I watch it to this day I was like is that really me What is that?

[705] So long ago I remember I used to watch Jackass Jackass is amazing Those guys are alive Steve -o's so healthy He's fine I'm making a fourth movie Oh no They're rolling that dice They're rolling that dice Someone's gonna die Damn That's crazy I only seen the tips of that.

[706] Johnny Knoxville was a movie star for a while, right?

[707] Is he still doing big movies?

[708] Yeah, I think so.

[709] He was doing big movies, and then he was still willing to let a bull hit him.

[710] He put a blindfold on and stood in front of a bowl, and the bull just fucking launched him through the air.

[711] Blindfolded.

[712] That's the dumbest shit.

[713] That's the dumbest thing.

[714] It's like, those guys got fucked up, man. I mean, that is, they're taking some beatings.

[715] Just so we can laugh.

[716] Yeah, yeah.

[717] See, what you do is control who gets fucked up.

[718] Right.

[719] That's what I like about boxing.

[720] When I watch boxing express at the highest levels, like one guy is controlling who gets fucked up, you know?

[721] Yeah.

[722] Whether the other guy like it or not.

[723] Whether the other guy likes it or not.

[724] Who was that the Mexican gentleman that you fought recently that was talking a lot of shit and he stopped him?

[725] Benevitis.

[726] Benevidus.

[727] That's right.

[728] That seemed like a particularly satisfying one for you.

[729] Yeah.

[730] because there was a lot of shit talking leading up to that fight for years there's certain times we watch guys talk shit and I go son son showdowns this is not a good idea but it just came out of nowhere like I never said nothing to that dude never did nothing to that dude like and he just out the blue just for years like I'm ducking him I'm like dude you went up and wait I'm at 140 like when I was at 135 he was talking about fighting me he was at 140 I got up to 140 he won a little fight and then he moved up and wait and I'm like dude like you're nobody for me to be worried about so then it got to the point where he was like oh well they made me an offer to fight you and you duck me and this so he started telling everybody I ducked them I've been ducking them since 140 so in a press conference I said did you ever offer me or him a fight to fight each other and it was like no so we come up with that it's like well it don't matter we fight right now so sorry it was a good fight it was a good fight it was a good fight to showcase you you know particularly the knockout and that was a beautiful combination man when you clipped him right and then he gets up and then you put him away when you watch a fight like that where you have a guy would talk shit and then you wind up fucking him up is it ever more satisfying oh yeah because you seem to enjoy it It's like the best fighters enjoy putting a beating on someone.

[731] Of course.

[732] Going into the fight, I had to calm my emotions down.

[733] Because of the anger.

[734] Right, right.

[735] Because I really want to hurt that, dude.

[736] You know, so going into the fight, I got to keep reminding myself, stay calm, relax, don't go in there and do nothing stupid because this is what he wants you to do.

[737] And you've been here before.

[738] You know, there's nothing new.

[739] You didn't have people talk crazy to you, but not to the level that he did, but you didn't have people talk crazy to you.

[740] So that's why when I first got in there, I was being patient, taking my time, and just filling him out, you know, because he's long.

[741] He's tall.

[742] He's long.

[743] He's got some speed on him.

[744] But he's a naturally counterpuncher.

[745] So it was like I wasn't going to go in there and be careless and get countered because I already knew what he wanted to do.

[746] So when you see a guy like that and you're fighting him, What is the strategy, this is a different strategy than a normal fighter because of the length and the counterpunch ability, so you have to adjust.

[747] Right.

[748] So what was your plan going in there?

[749] Well, see, me, I got long arms to be in the division and my height.

[750] So I was just like, all right, just pick them apart, you know, and then once you go into your combinations, make sure you throw more than once because you're going to counter that first one properly.

[751] and when you watch the fight you feel like that's exact what you're planning preparing for right now when you see ero spence excuse me we see ero spence junior does he represent to you like the one of the best of the up -and -coming guys that are that are possibly on your radar at least i really can't say that you know because ero this is the first real big test that he's up against you know um his last fight was with uh Mikey Garcia.

[752] That was a good fight.

[753] I mean, that was a good test.

[754] It's true.

[755] You know, Mikey came from, what, 126?

[756] You know, he's, what, five, six?

[757] When you see the two of them at the weigh -ins, you really could see the difference.

[758] And the size of arrow, I mean, arrow's ripped, you know.

[759] So that's why I say you really can't tell with Mikey Garcia.

[760] Don't get me wrong, Mikey's a hell of a fighter, you know, but that's his first fight in.

[761] division he's a smaller guy he's short his arms is shorter arrow taller longer bigger you know so faster so you he really couldn't i really couldn't see what i was trying to see out of mike mikey went up just because it was a big fight right right is he going to stay there do you think yes i believe he's going to fight danny varsia oh interesting interesting there's so many different outlets for boxing now you know there's pbc there's fox there's you know there's you know ESPN is putting on high caliber fights now, too.

[762] It's very interesting.

[763] But HBO's out of the game.

[764] Doesn't that feel weird?

[765] It does been that that was the go -to channel to watch boxing when I was coming up.

[766] Only people you had on Showtime was Mike Tyson.

[767] And it was the best commentary crew, too.

[768] It was Jim Lampley, Max Kellerman, Roy Jones Jr., or sometimes George Foreman, you know, Larry Merchant.

[769] When he was doing it.

[770] Yeah, man, Emmanuel Stewart.

[771] And Harold Letterman would come in in between rounds.

[772] giving his score was fucking great I missed that don't you miss that I mean Harold Letterman rest in peace he passed away recently didn't he did right yeah he passed but I missed that man Jim Lampley was fucking great and Max Kellerman was great it's like you don't have that there's not a commentary team like that right now in boxing is there am I wrong not to the to the level of why don't they have those guys go over to one of these streaming services like the zone or ESPN or something It just seems like that's the team, right?

[773] Yeah, but...

[774] Andre Ward?

[775] Andre Ward's fantastic at it.

[776] He's coming on here, too.

[777] I'm excited to have him on.

[778] Tim Bradley's coming along pretty good, too.

[779] Yes, very good.

[780] Yeah, I mean...

[781] He's taking, he's taking, look like he's taking that role of Teddy Atlas.

[782] It's like he got all that energy.

[783] Yes.

[784] Well, Teddy's fucking...

[785] What a character that is, you know?

[786] Hey, Teddy, he gets amazing.

[787] He gets it is...

[788] We're fire!

[789] We run to the fire I'd rather get out there and fight He's screaming out there and fight He's screaming out, I'm getting fucking scared It's funny how he'll say On air These judges need to be fired What the fight is they looking at?

[790] He doesn't give a fuck He gets so furious at bad decisions And he's right He's right sometimes You know He was wrong about that Jeff Warren fight The Jeff Warren Packeow fight?

[791] Is that one of the ones that freaked out?

[792] Is that one of the ones that freaked out?

[793] when he freaked out.

[794] When I first watched it, you know, listening to the commentary, I was like, man, Paci y 'all, whooping them.

[795] You know what I mean?

[796] Why they cheat them?

[797] Because I wanted to fight Paci out because I was the next in line to fight the champion.

[798] So, of course, I'm rooting for Pack y 'all to win because that's a bigger fight.

[799] But after watching the fight again, I was like, they're not saying nothing about all them shots Jeff Horn was hitting Paci out with.

[800] And he was just brutally bullying them.

[801] them up.

[802] They can say, oh, he was being dirty.

[803] Sometimes he's a headbut, but it's a fight.

[804] That's going to happen.

[805] You know, but he was real -life, manhandling, pack you out, like pushing him all around.

[806] And you see Keith Thurman couldn't even do that.

[807] Yeah.

[808] You know, and seeing him beat Keith Thurman at 40 years old, like, God damn, this guy's great.

[809] I mean, just look at his career with eight different weight classes, world titles in?

[810] Eight, eight different weight classes.

[811] 40 years old beats Keith Thurman Who's in his prime Right Crazy I mean what a man I mean what a world champion Well he sure time break the hands of time on that one It's fucking crazy And he fought in spurs Both of them were fighting spurs And I thought Keith was going to pick up on it But Paciall was only fighting The end of the round Like Keith would come on strong At the beginning of the round And they would be like All right Keith winning this round And then Pac y 'all just were like, Tritp, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

[812] And then Keefe would be like, like, oh, man. I didn't even seen the fight.

[813] Well, when he dropped him with that right hook early in the first, you're like, oh, it's like a right lap.

[814] Yeah.

[815] No, it was like a, he jumped in with the left and then followed by like a straight right.

[816] It was crazy.

[817] Yeah.

[818] It was crazy.

[819] It's like, wow.

[820] But that's his punch.

[821] Yep.

[822] That's his punch.

[823] Yep.

[824] They were showing him hitting other fighters with it the same thing.

[825] He had such a unique style The leaping in firing shots What would you do if he came in with that shit on you?

[826] Oh, check, boom, boom it Oh man No, but I give I'd take my hat off to pack you out Do you think it's possible that you could get a crack at him now Because now he's, you know, he's in the hunt right now I wouldn't say so because I was in the mentions and talked to fight Pac -Yal since 2014, and we was in the same promotional company, and they couldn't make it happen.

[827] Do you think it's because he's not interested in it?

[828] I don't think he was interested in it, because his coach mentioned numerous times he didn't want him to fight me, and he wanted him to stay away from me. So I don't think they was interested.

[829] Yeah, well, I could see that at this time.

[830] stage of his career but you know keitherman is a fucking murderous puncher right which was one of the reasons why it's more impressive that he beat him and so who are they talking about pack yow matching up with next uh he chasing the mayweather of course so why not floyd come on i know you love money he was saying that he thinks floyd's out of money already because he says floyd spent so much money he's probably out of it well he's spending money too i think peckial spent more money than floy on everybody oh that's right because he's got like 50 people that he just like has support Yeah, I mean, he's a, he's an interesting guy, man, because he's so friendly.

[831] Right.

[832] You know, like, Pat, even like when people are trash talking, he's like smiling and then he gets in that ring.

[833] He'll kick your ass later.

[834] Different fucking dude.

[835] Once you step to that roast, like, this is a whole different set of rules he's flying with.

[836] Like, keep Durman talking about, you're going to crucify him and stuff like that.

[837] And he just like, don't say that.

[838] Yeah.

[839] And got crucified.

[840] Yeah.

[841] I wish you the best, too.

[842] Good luck in the fight.

[843] Good luck in the fight.

[844] He's a killer, a pool player.

[845] Did you know that about Paco?

[846] No, I didn't.

[847] Like, world class.

[848] Like, he could play pool professionally.

[849] Me too.

[850] Really?

[851] Yeah, I'll be too.

[852] Oh, we got to play then.

[853] Yeah, I heard you.

[854] Got your little personal sticks.

[855] I'm pretty good.

[856] Yeah.

[857] You good?

[858] Yeah.

[859] Okay, what do you play?

[860] Whatever you want to play.

[861] You play, like, nine ball, ten ball?

[862] Whatever.

[863] Okay, we'll play.

[864] Cool.

[865] Hey, so if I leave five balls on the table, you owe me. Five of your balls on me. Five of your balls on me. Five balls on me. Five balls.

[866] on the table.

[867] What are we playing eight ball?

[868] We can be a eight ball.

[869] That's nonsense.

[870] That's a nonsense game.

[871] Hey, but that's a silly game.

[872] You're trying to get me, leave my balls on the table.

[873] Why don't you do that?

[874] No, I'm saying.

[875] If I win, if I win, and you still got five balls on your table, five of your balls.

[876] If you, you got seven balls if you're playing an eight ball.

[877] So the only way that I went, let's explain what you're saying?

[878] Okay, so you got seven balls to start.

[879] If I beat you, you.

[880] and you still got five of your balls on the table.

[881] Okay.

[882] Then you owe.

[883] Oh, what?

[884] So if you mean if you break and run out and I don't get a shot?

[885] No, that's seven ball then.

[886] If you get all the balls?

[887] Yeah, that's seven ball.

[888] And if I have five balls left and you win?

[889] Yeah.

[890] What kind of weird game is that?

[891] You didn't get it.

[892] I'm not getting it.

[893] So if I win and you still got five balls on the table.

[894] Okay, then what happens?

[895] You owe.

[896] I owe what?

[897] But if we play nine ball or ten?

[898] ball you can't win if there's five balls no no no nine ball and ten ball that's different but that's what we're saying yeah yeah so you're saying like play eight ball but I don't like playing that because that's tricky yeah it's tricky yeah that's a strategy that's a strategy yeah yeah you gotta learn how to get out yeah I'll hit all of them and miss the last one we can play eight ball though that's cool I like eight ball it's okay but it's a simpler game and you pop me for the last yeah yeah leave you hang in yeah you fuck up leave that 10 ball wobbling in the hole yeah like you did all this for nothing I've done done that before it's very heartbreaking it's very heartbreaking this is the worst way to lose a game i swear it's like all that for nothing and the and the guy thank you for cleaning it up no one you win that's a game that no one wants to lose to a girl like it's hilarious watching dudes play pool against women when women are good they panic they start getting nervous like there's something about losing to a girl it's almost like getting your ass kicked by a girl some of them cold i didn't see some girls at the pool hall Oh, yeah.

[899] Taking a lot of money.

[900] Oh, for sure.

[901] Yeah, there's like elite women players.

[902] You know what I do to eliminate that?

[903] What?

[904] I just be like, nah, I'm a little traveling.

[905] Especially when you're watching them and then they try to, hey, I got next.

[906] I'm like, yeah, y 'all, y 'all can play.

[907] Because it ain't for me to be getting watched up by no female.

[908] Well, any professional, I've played a lot of professionals, like, because it's one of the weird sports.

[909] And you can enter into a tournament and you could be a guy who, you know, as a full -time job and you might wind up matching up with like effron reyes who's like the greatest player of all time you might meet him in the first round of a tournament you both all you have to do is pay your fee and you pay your entry fee you join in just like everybody else and you're playing like a world champ like the terence crawford a pool yeah and like whoa and you can just be some regular dude playing effron reyes but it's cool you can be like man i lost the one of the greatest lost one of the greatest of all time yeah i've played a bunch of like great play i played Mike Siegel before.

[910] I got to play a bunch of great players.

[911] Get my ass cake by him.

[912] You're a professional pool player?

[913] No. No, I'm quite a bit below.

[914] Like, if you had Mani Packel, he could play professional, he would beat me. I'm like one notch below that.

[915] I'm probably like a notch below that.

[916] Two notch below that.

[917] But Mani, like, plays in tournaments.

[918] He gambles.

[919] They call him, unfortunately.

[920] They call him the cow because they're always milking him.

[921] Because he's real high -level pool players, man. I mean, he's, man, he's too busy with running the country.

[922] I mean, he's a fucking senator.

[923] On top of that, he's one of the best boxers in the world.

[924] And on top of that, he's got a family.

[925] He doesn't have time to be at the pool hall 10 hours a day.

[926] All those psychopasts that are, like, world champions, they play pool pool eight, ten hours a day.

[927] They play all day long, all day long.

[928] You go there, you'll find them.

[929] That's where they're at.

[930] You say, you go there, you'll find them.

[931] They're there every fucking day.

[932] Everybody that I know that's like elite world -class pool player, like Mika Eminen and, you know, these kind of guys, you go there.

[933] They're at the goddamn pool hall.

[934] Every day.

[935] No money in that shit, though.

[936] You think there's no money in UFC?

[937] There's no money in that shit.

[938] There's a lot of money in poker.

[939] There is.

[940] I got to learn how to play.

[941] I know, right?

[942] Poker, it seemed like my friend Anthony G. Rodano, he directs those, used to direct those poker shows.

[943] He said, what changed it is when you had the TV shows, where you could see the person's hand.

[944] So, like, we were all playing.

[945] The folks at home could see what I have and they could see what you have, but we didn't know what we have.

[946] So they're all in on it.

[947] So they felt like, how's he going to play that?

[948] How's he going to play that?

[949] So it made it way more interesting than just watching.

[950] Because if you were watching three guys play poker, you would have no idea whose hands or what.

[951] But when you're at home and you watch it on TV, you get to see the hand.

[952] And I still don't know how to play.

[953] Yeah, I don't know how to play either.

[954] But I'd just be seeing people with their poker face all in.

[955] Don't have nothing.

[956] And then this dude with a good hand, he just would like throw his hand.

[957] And dude just be like, ah!

[958] Poker face.

[959] risk to get that risk I'm like oh man there's something cool about that right like a bullshitty it's bullshitting you know there's something about that like the hustle there's the thing about poker that doesn't exist in anything else a psychological hustle that's what I call it the poker face yep that's a lady Gaga song bro or somebody that's just looking all like looking all sad like yeah I got a bad hand knowing you got a good hand yep it's tricky then they say you all in okay plus I think those gamblers when they're around each other all the time and they just fucking that's all they do is gamble and read signs and check each other out they'll probably have a highly tuned sense of someone bullshitting highly tuned oh there's something going on behind his eyes but that's why they wear them glasses yeah you know what I've always like love watching but I'm scared to get good at his chess just seems like it would eat your fucking time it does Do you play?

[960] Yeah, I taught him how to play.

[961] He taught me and I beat him the same time.

[962] Oh, look at you.

[963] He's like, stop.

[964] You beat him the same day he taught you?

[965] He just taught me how to move the pieces and I'll beat him.

[966] Oh, Jesus.

[967] Wow.

[968] That's interesting.

[969] So we're international rights.

[970] So I'm going to confess right now.

[971] I'll let this dude be beat me. You're internationally ranked?

[972] No, I'm saying we're on an international show, right?

[973] The whole world is watching.

[974] Yeah, I let this dude beat me. You let him beat you?

[975] Why do you?

[976] Because, you know, just, yeah, get his confidence up.

[977] Get his confidence up.

[978] But, hey, but this is how I do do it.

[979] There's some fights where I want him to play test so I can use his mind, right?

[980] So, okay, all right, all right.

[981] The whole camp is using his mind.

[982] You're using this mind.

[983] So I'm going to go, okay, all right.

[984] So he comes out there and he has a great performance.

[985] So I'm like, okay, all right.

[986] That's another strategy to try to get him to do better, right?

[987] But there's some mornings I'll tell you about this last morning we had You don't let me beat him I just beat him Anytime I really want to win I win It's that long Come downstairs right So he comes downstairs And it's boxers and shit With this old Terrence Crawford look Looking at everybody like Hey good morning Good morning Let's play All right I'm kicking his ass He's getting mad he gets mad you can see it in his face right so he started making these different more no man you can't do that no man yes I can't yes a kid no you can't do that but you know you can't do that after a while you just got a kind of fear for your life a little bit because no no man I like hey I like being offended with this dude in chess man it's funny it's funny when he's losing dude and he beat me he beat me that day didn't want to play me again I was so hot.

[988] I could see it in your face right now.

[989] You're counting it.

[990] You can see you reliving it.

[991] Because he just called me off guard.

[992] It's just like, you know what I mean?

[993] Like I'm coming downstairs and eat some breakfast and he's coming out.

[994] Let's play.

[995] He got it ready and everything.

[996] So we're going, I'm making stupid.

[997] I'm like, damn, man. I didn't see that.

[998] Like, fuck.

[999] So he went.

[1000] He won't play me. But the next times he played me, whitewashed him.

[1001] killed him so so bad to where he he don't even want to play me no more it's funny it's that's one thing that champions have all champions they hate losing any game and like jordan they said if you beat him playing pool he'll fucking hate you because what didn't want to talk to you didn't want until he could beat you again till he got you again see my thing is we have a lot of people that want to play the game right so i'm i don't play the game like i used to i used to play and i used to beat them all but once my nephew got good i stopped playing i'm like man You're a gamehead.

[1002] Like, I ain't got time the best, just sitting on the game.

[1003] Right.

[1004] You know.

[1005] Like video games, like Xbox.

[1006] Yeah, like 2K and.

[1007] You can't fuck with those kids.

[1008] Those kids that don't have responsibilities, they don't have children, they don't have nothing but time.

[1009] They get too good at those goddamn things.

[1010] And you would lose your life trying to chase him.

[1011] You're like, so now it gets to the point where I just watch them play.

[1012] So we had this dude named Chis and out.

[1013] Oh, man. So.

[1014] So Chance, we got Shakur, and we got Chucky.

[1015] They all like to play, and we got Kenny.

[1016] So Kenny was playing Chuckie.

[1017] Chucky, and Chance was always going at it with each other.

[1018] And Kenny was beating Chucky, and he was just rubbing it in his face.

[1019] And it was just like, you can see how mad he was.

[1020] And this dude, Chucky, he's the one that always be, like, joking around and stuff.

[1021] it's all fun in games and like you could just see you're like why is you even talking if you're not playing it gets so bad in the house man too you gotta put the game up do you guys have you guys have like moments where you don't want them to play games and things like that like during camp you just want them just rest no no because that's relaxed that's relaxing is it relaxing but video games are a little they get you tense that's why he took the game you got to take the game it gets so It gets so tense People want to fight each other People get arguments One dude to get mad I'm like Ah, you mad Ah, you mad You're like, man Shut up, man That's why we're sparring When we get to the gym Huh?

[1022] How about that?

[1023] It'd be funny and shit, man It can cause problems too Oh sure Well a bunch of competitive dudes All training together And then you play something Competitive that makes you angry If you lose Yeah Yeah recipe for disaster Right Hey, they don't care They don't care They don't care They don't care in the house They're just like whatever I still want to play It's like a big daycare That's basically what it is Then I did me I'm the oldest Gotta start cussing at them You can't eat Don't you come out your room Get up here Do these dishes Oh man It seems like you guys Are having a good time Oh man That's beautiful Oh yeah It's fun Camp is fun It's hard work and it's hard, but at the same time, you know, work is work, and then we try to come home and, you know, clear our head and not just be so mentally drained over thinking about the fight.

[1024] Right, right.

[1025] So we wanted to be fun at the end of the day.

[1026] Do you have, like, a mental coach or is there anybody you've ever worked with that's like when you've tried to do visualization work or formulate a game plan?

[1027] Or is it just go out there and get it done?

[1028] Just get it done.

[1029] No need.

[1030] No need.

[1031] Like, my mental is so strong, like, from what I've overcome and been through my whole entire life.

[1032] It's, like, nothing's going to break me. That's my mental.

[1033] Like, if that couldn't break me, you're not going to break me. You mean, in terms of, like, your childhood and growing up, yeah.

[1034] Like, everything that I went through.

[1035] Irreplaceable.

[1036] People that have gone through, like Mike Tyson, like many great fighters, have gone through hardship when they're younger.

[1037] Right.

[1038] That ability to endure.

[1039] It's not, I wouldn't say when I was younger, it's still going through.

[1040] Still going through.

[1041] Yeah, I still go through a lot.

[1042] A lot.

[1043] How so?

[1044] Like, it seemed like before all my big fights, somebody died in my family.

[1045] You know, like, my grandpa just died the day before yesterday.

[1046] Sorry to hear that.

[1047] Yeah.

[1048] But I'm here.

[1049] You know what I mean?

[1050] I'm about to go in training camp and prepare for my next fight.

[1051] You know, so it was just like things always happening.

[1052] But at the same time, I got a job to do.

[1053] And I'm going to still be focused and nothing's going to distract me. Now, will you go in a training camp with a date in mind or would you just, but do they, but you haven't, nothing's been signed yet, right?

[1054] Nothing has been signed yet.

[1055] So do you just sort of go in and get the.

[1056] the wheels move in and then just get ready to ramp up?

[1057] Like, how do you determine when you ramp up your training camp?

[1058] If you're, like I say, if you're getting back into training camp now, but you don't know when the fight's going to be scheduled, so how do you approach it in the beginning?

[1059] No, I don't, I wouldn't necessarily say I'm getting in training camp right now because I'm not, like, my training camp is six to seven weeks.

[1060] So you're getting ready to get into training camp?

[1061] No, I wouldn't even say that.

[1062] I'm just saying in general.

[1063] Okay.

[1064] But you're not getting ready right now.

[1065] I stay working out.

[1066] I stay working out.

[1067] Of course.

[1068] Now, when you're not in the gym, well, when you're in the gym, but you're not training for a fight, are you still doing all the strength conditioning stuff and everything as well?

[1069] Yeah, here and there.

[1070] Not to the same intensity, but just to keep moving.

[1071] Right.

[1072] And so you do that just to make sure that you preserve your body and don't get injured and things along those sounds.

[1073] So when you think of it in terms of camp, like that is the roughest experience you're going through, right?

[1074] You're going through how many nine weeks?

[1075] Is that what you say you prefer?

[1076] Seven.

[1077] Seven weeks.

[1078] Seven weeks.

[1079] So those seven weeks are when you are pushing it to the limit and then everything else is more like a maintaining thing?

[1080] We like stair -stepers.

[1081] We got a pre -camp and then once we're in camp, it's like this.

[1082] Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't.

[1083] And you know where those steps are.

[1084] Right.

[1085] So when we get to the end of camp, we already have the highest step.

[1086] So that way when we go to the fight, we already have the...

[1087] And so this is planned out.

[1088] the amount of rounds you do, the amount of running you do.

[1089] Every week, every week is something added on every week.

[1090] If it's four rounds, six rounds, eight rounds, 10, 12.

[1091] You know, minutes, we do minutes, you know.

[1092] Now, what's amazing about this conversation is if you were a young, up -and -coming boxer in, you know, 1980, two or something like that, and you want to know how Marvin Haggwood did it.

[1093] There's no podcast.

[1094] Right.

[1095] There's no, like, Marvin Haggwood breaking down, how he does his training camp, and talking all about it.

[1096] But today, kids can watch you, and they can see what you're doing, And I guarantee just listening to you talk about realizing how hard Floyd worked and you wanted to work out even harder and all the crazy shit you're doing, like people right now lacing up their shoes right now getting fired up, running out the door thinking I got to work like Terrence.

[1097] I have to, you know.

[1098] That is one of the coolest things that has to be about being a world champion is that you are the guy now.

[1099] You know, when you were a kid, I'm sure you had like those ring magazine posters and shit.

[1100] Like you're that guy now.

[1101] Right.

[1102] That's got to be crazy.

[1103] some kid right now who's like six years old who's just getting into golden gloves and he's looking up at his bedroom wall silver gloves what is golden gloves 18 where you're a senior silver gloves and when you're a junior silver gloves doesn't sound as good yeah boxing amateur boxing kids getting into amateur boxing they have for heroes you're one of them man i mean that's got to be got to be a cool feeling oh yeah man i love it i love it when i go when i go to them little little smokers or them little national tournaments and see all the little kids run up to me. Terrence Crawford, Terranes, I'd be like, what up?

[1104] I'd go grab them.

[1105] Wow, that's awesome.

[1106] Grabbing them by their head, messing around with them.

[1107] Even after wrestling tournaments, people were like, yo, you Terrence Crawford.

[1108] I'd be like, yeah, what's up?

[1109] What's your name?

[1110] And they'd be like, dude, like, man, you're real cool.

[1111] Like, I'd be like, yeah, man, what's up?

[1112] That's amazing.

[1113] So they all gravitate to me. Was there someone that you met when you first met him when you're like, I can't even believe that I'm sitting there with a van.

[1114] Holyfield or someone like that someone real famous where you couldn't believe you were actually being around them do you remember to say Roy Jones right Jones because I never was like a big fan boy I would always be like oh man they just humans like me but when I seen Roy for the first time I was like oh that's Roy Jones Jr like I met Floyd Mayweather but this Roy Jones Jr like yeah It was just crazy, and he was real cool, and, you know, I was just like, damn.

[1115] I didn't want to be, like, all, like, shy style.

[1116] I was like, damn.

[1117] Like, I met Sugar Ray Leonard when I was an amateur, and it didn't feel the same.

[1118] It was just like, man, that's Sugar Ray Bennett.

[1119] Because it's a different era, because it was a, you didn't watch him fight.

[1120] Watching Roy Jones, man, when I was a kid, when he was in his prime, he would lead with a left hook.

[1121] It was, like, more than a jab.

[1122] He would just whip that left hook at dudes, and they didn't know what the fuck to do.

[1123] with that that speed was preposterous so fast who roy was doing stuff to people that made you just go wow like he's not even doing the same thing they're doing right he's like he's on another dimension is a different record speed you know he was so fast like max calerman had this incredible rant once about just realizing how good roy jones was in his prime it wasn't like he wasn't around great fighters but they couldn't do shit to him he was around world champions but he was lighting them on fire.

[1124] It was crazy.

[1125] And, you know, all good things come to an end.

[1126] It only lasted for, you know, X amount of years.

[1127] I mean, what was the best years of his championship reign?

[1128] But he was untouchable.

[1129] Untouchable.

[1130] Untouchable.

[1131] When he knocked off Virgil Hill with that body shot, wha.

[1132] You know, you're like, God damn.

[1133] One punch.

[1134] And when he put his hands behind his back and still knocked down James Tony, I mean, when he dropped his hands like this and James Tony does it too, and he leaps in and drops him.

[1135] With the left hook.

[1136] That one dude he knocked out with his hands behind his back.

[1137] Who was that dude?

[1138] Oh, I forgot.

[1139] When he was on the ropes.

[1140] Yeah.

[1141] Put his hands behind his back.

[1142] The dude moves forward and drops him and knocks him out.

[1143] It's like, this is a movie scene.

[1144] Right.

[1145] This is in real life.

[1146] No one does that in real life.

[1147] Roy Jones was having fun with people.

[1148] Yeah, he was.

[1149] He was having fun with people.

[1150] He was entertaining.

[1151] He was incredible how fast he was.

[1152] But like, I didn't, man, I didn't met people like, Roy.

[1153] He's a fan of me. It's amazing.

[1154] And it's like.

[1155] dude like I'd be like so starstruck it's like man I'm a fan of you and he's a fan of you you're a fan of me wow like today today I was on Instagram and I was like I went past L .L. Kooljay because we was listening to some old school music and I I was like dang LL got a Instagram so I clicked on him and he's following me I said bro look oh cool jay following me on instagram so it's just it's just crazy just to think of all the people that you like grew up admiring and like you a fan of and for you to see them fan of you it's like damn like iverson i met iverson wow and he came up to me and he was more happy to see me than i was him i teres crawford oh man you the motherfucker man wow and i I was like, I was just sitting there looking at him like, this Alan Iverson, though.

[1156] Like, damn.

[1157] So it's crazy.

[1158] Like, seeing all those, you know, celebrities and all -time greats, that's big fans of mine.

[1159] And it's like, fuck.

[1160] Does it wear off or do you still freak out?

[1161] I still freak out sometimes.

[1162] I still freak out sometimes, like, it just depends on the person.

[1163] Like, fuck, like, damn.

[1164] Right.

[1165] Like Snoop or something like that.

[1166] Snoop, too.

[1167] I met Snoop.

[1168] I'll be like, damn, like, fuck.

[1169] Like, that's when you know that you made it to a certain level in your professional sports that everybody watching you.

[1170] Yeah.

[1171] Well, you know, and that's one more thing that's beautiful about you meeting those little kids is that they can realize, like, oh, Terrence Crawford's a man. Right.

[1172] He's a man. I mean, he's a superstar and he's a champion, and I see him on TV, but he's a man. He's right here.

[1173] He got me in a headlock.

[1174] Right.

[1175] Oh, shit, we're playing together.

[1176] He's a nice guy.

[1177] Oh, he's a. person yeah because you see someone that's achieved a certain level of status and championship rain and you know see him on tv knocking people out that doesn't even seem like a real person when you're a kid like that can't be a real person right and then you're there and then you're shaking his hand he's like what the fuck this is crazy so you change that kid's world yeah like his idea of what the future is idea what a person is a person is a person is right I'm a person too like I just got to work hard and it's crazy because like a lot of a lot of people they'll see me and they'd be like where are your bodyguards we're your entourage like they be having questions to ask and I just be like no man I'm a regular person they'd be like man why you don't be on TV like Floyd Mayweather like like man they ain't for me man I'm chill they'd be like oh well where are your cars like they'd be just actually all kinds of crazy stuff and I just be like no man it's cool do you still live where you grew up right wow that's crazy and everybody's cool nobody gets jealous the fact that you're You're always going to have that, no matter where you go.

[1178] You always are going to have the jealousy and the people that envy you.

[1179] People want loans.

[1180] That too.

[1181] You just got to move different.

[1182] You just got to move different.

[1183] What kind of cars you ride?

[1184] I drive old schools.

[1185] Old schools.

[1186] Like what kind?

[1187] I got some Monte Carlo S -S.

[1188] Oh, that's right.

[1189] I saw you and looked like a Grand National.

[1190] Do you have a Grand National?

[1191] No, it's a Monte Carlo.

[1192] That's a Monte Carlo.

[1193] Oh, is it?

[1194] The souped -up Monte Carlo?

[1195] No, it's all original.

[1196] I just put the rims on it.

[1197] The souped -up one is the civil one, the 87.

[1198] Oh, is that another Monte Carlo?

[1199] Yeah.

[1200] Oh, you're a Monte Carlo guy.

[1201] I love Monte Carlo's back in the day.

[1202] Like the 70s?

[1203] Like the 70 Monte Carlo's?

[1204] Ooh, those are so pretty.

[1205] It ain't nothing like the 80s.

[1206] You like the 80s?

[1207] 87.

[1208] That's probably because you're younger than me. Super sport.

[1209] Me, I'm like, I get, from muscle cars, I get as high as 71 with a barracuda and then I drop off.

[1210] Yeah.

[1211] Everything else, like, I need 65 to 70.

[1212] 71 is only Barracuda and Challenger.

[1213] That's it.

[1214] Everything else fell apart by 71.

[1215] What about the Oldsmobile?

[1216] They made some cool shit.

[1217] They made some cool shit, but it's just not as good as, like, the 60s.

[1218] 60s in the 1970 cars, like 70 Chavelle.

[1219] Yeah, I was about to say the Chavellevelle.

[1220] Come on, 70 Chabelle.

[1221] The problem of the drop top is, oh, the wiggly.

[1222] You know, there's a lot of body flex to it Where you don't get the rigidity That you feel in like the solid hard top muscle car Right You know, but I love those old cars, man They have something to them Right And they cost a shit telling them money They do They do now Especially if you get If you get one that's all original Oh yeah Everything, the paint still Like man you bought this car To put it in the garage for 30 years Dude I saw a barracuda That was for sale for over a million dollars.

[1223] Damn.

[1224] A million dollars for a car that was like 30 ,000.

[1225] Not even, right?

[1226] Didn't we talk about this?

[1227] What was in like five grand when it was brand new?

[1228] Something crazy like that?

[1229] Now it's a million dollars.

[1230] Got it, Jay Little?

[1231] I don't know.

[1232] One of those knuckleheads that likes everything perfect and original.

[1233] There's certain dudes like with original numbers matching.

[1234] Look at the V -E -I -N number matches the tires.

[1235] He's the original tires from 1960.

[1236] Got all the paperwork.

[1237] You better go slow around a corner with those shitty tires everything original means everything's shitty you know shitty drum brakes and shitty suspension and yeah i like the shapes i used to always uh get up and watch them car auctions oh yeah the meechums that kind of shit yeah i love those just to look at the cars god if you have a ton of money and you're there that shit could be real bad yeah like if you're one of those dudes it's like a collector and you see all those cars moving by like i want that one too a 55 oh 55 chevi oh my goodness yeah yeah There's some, I mean, I'm just a big fan of those shapes.

[1238] Those shapes are the 1960 shapes.

[1239] There's something about the car.

[1240] They just nailed it.

[1241] They just knew how to make a car look beautiful back then.

[1242] And it was built sturdy.

[1243] Like nowadays, you bump a car.

[1244] You big old dent, a bumper falling off back then.

[1245] You can run a car over.

[1246] Steel, all steel.

[1247] Get a little bitty dent and go on about your way.

[1248] Yeah, it's a different.

[1249] But also, now car, car.

[1250] handle good they have airbags yeah there's some good some good shit about today's cars too right drive itself yeah yeah you ever did one of those you ever been in the tesla we just no we just talked about they're freakouts man they'll freak you out like you're driving that thing oh my god have you they fast as shit it's ridiculous right did you ever drive one yeah dude the crazy thing about the teslas is it's like a race car it's like and you'd be waiting for before they'd be like, do, do, do, do, do.

[1251] But it don't never change gears.

[1252] It's just straight.

[1253] And all of a sudden, it's 150 miles an hour like that.

[1254] It's so fast, it doesn't even make sense.

[1255] It's like a race car.

[1256] It's like a time machine.

[1257] It's like it compresses time.

[1258] Like, there's a certain amount of time in a normal car you feel like you have to go.

[1259] There's a certain amount of time that has to take place for it and get in front of that guy and then get over here and then get to the on -ramp.

[1260] With the Tesla, you just go, shoo!

[1261] You're there.

[1262] It's like time compresses.

[1263] Yeah.

[1264] Zero to 60 in 2 .4 seconds.

[1265] Damn.

[1266] You never even felt anything like it.

[1267] It's a goddamn roller coaster ride.

[1268] It's like, you're pinned to your seat.

[1269] It's just going.

[1270] Yeah.

[1271] You're like, fuck.

[1272] And they're making a faster one.

[1273] They've got one that's going to be 1 .9.

[1274] The roadster, that really slick -looking little tiny one?

[1275] They're ridiculous.

[1276] That's the future.

[1277] Yeah, I got that demon.

[1278] Oh, those are nice.

[1279] Yeah, it's fine.

[1280] That's a fun fuck.

[1281] What was that, like, 800 horsepower?

[1282] I think 9 -0 -09.

[1283] Something crazy.

[1284] Yeah, it's crazy.

[1285] After anything over 7.

[1286] They made me sign my rights.

[1287] away.

[1288] You got to sign all these papers talking about if you die or get seriously get injured and can't nobody else come back and sue them.

[1289] Wow.

[1290] Because of the car is so fast, they letting you know, like, you know, you can get real life fucked up in the car.

[1291] Do they make those in a stick shift or is it just an automatic?

[1292] I don't know.

[1293] I got that automatic.

[1294] It's a crazy amount of power.

[1295] But I think nowadays you got the paddle shifters.

[1296] Yeah, paddle shifters.

[1297] That's cute.

[1298] Where you can put manual.

[1299] thing shifting with your left foot in the clutch and shifting gears of your right that's like part of the whole muscle car thing right yeah part of the old school thing you don't want an old school automatic it seems silly you know you just think a new school yeah that's true it's way faster oh it's way faster cars today are way faster period and they're all going to be electric in 10 years they're just so much better they're so much faster right if it's all as they can figure out how to make it charge quick that's the thing the gas has you can just pull into a gas station 10 minutes later you go a full tank right so your car it charges up yeah yeah how long does the take it'll take a good solid six or seven hours if it's dead if it's almost dead it'll take like six or seven hours at a super i have a supercharger too normally it might take 12 like with a regular outlet yeah it takes a long time yeah so if you pull into like one of those superchargers i think they can get you up to like 80 % in like an hour to the first charge of the first 80 % quit pretty quick so you could do that it's like pay for gas yeah yeah you pay for it yeah use a credit card they got at walmart yeah i seen them there but the airport's free you can plug in at the airport and it's free it's uh it's a weird experience man because uh i love the sound of engines but uh that car makes them all look stupid they all seem dumb it does right yeah you don't hear that but it's something yeah yeah I gotta have that muscle muscle it's fun yeah and once you get in you can't burn out in it nah there's no burning out it just goes it makes a noise like this whee like it doesn't make any noise it doesn't like bha there's none of that just whee shh it just takes off yeah it doesn't even seem real I like them the inside is crazy with the big screen touch screen and yeah no they're pretty dope you just look like you're in the futuristic it feels like in the future Interesting.

[1300] What do you spend your money on?

[1301] Do you have a thing that you indulge in?

[1302] No, that's...

[1303] I don't really have no spinning habits.

[1304] Just fishing stuff.

[1305] Fishing?

[1306] Yeah, we were talking before the show about bow fishing.

[1307] You like bow fishing?

[1308] I love it.

[1309] I love it.

[1310] I got...

[1311] took on bow fishing one time and I've been hooked.

[1312] I've been spending money on it.

[1313] We actually walked in this pond.

[1314] I bought waiters.

[1315] I got waiters and everything.

[1316] So I'm out there in the water.

[1317] In the little mud and stuff, hitting the little guards and anything I can find.

[1318] Do you eat guards?

[1319] You smoke those, right?

[1320] No, no, no. We mainly trying to get the grass carp because they...

[1321] They're invasive, right?

[1322] They try to kill as many of those as they can, right?

[1323] Yeah.

[1324] So it's crazy, though, because the Asian carp, we on my boat, we're in the river.

[1325] And this was the other night.

[1326] we going through this little spot in the river and they start jumping in the boat yeah that isn't that weird have you ever seen that yeah I've seen one of these TV shows fucking crazy they like they like this big no lie they were like jumping cart they're like six seven pounds and they fly through the end and hit you in the face Asian carp is different than grass carp we was shooting grass carp in the pine but in the river the Asian carp that was jumping in my boat was every bit of 30 pounds and they're hitting people in the head C -oing them flat -lining them So then they bring those carbs over To eat up something And something Look at these things These people fly a boom That shit got hit in the back of the head Hey that's how they jump, bro Look at these guys are trying to shoot them While they're flying That is so ridiculous What a redneck sport What a redneck sport?

[1327] Oh, pop through upside her head What kind of fucking fish Just throws itself out of boat It's so crazy Isn't it the sound of the engine that get them started?

[1328] Something like that It's crazy Like this will give you a target panic man You're not going to get good at shooting a bow and arrow If you're getting hit in the head while you're pulling back your bow Look at these guys are just trying to shoot No one's even pulling the trigger Oh man that's funny Look at that pop Yeah look he just keeps getting hit Donk What a weird fish That dude just got clipped Why was he laughing though it got smacked And he ducked the second one Look at them Oh, that guy got nailed Yeah, I'd have a bat I'd be fishing with a baseball bat That's how they be, bow I'm telling you Or a samurai sword Hey, the mugs get big What was you at?

[1329] In the river So they're trying to kill as many of those as they can They're trying to kill as many of those as they can Those things have overpopulated lakes Just taking over I don't know why they brought them in though originally More so of the lakes is grass carp Oh yeah Not Asian carp Yeah And some rivers That's those big red -looking ones, right?

[1330] Those get huge.

[1331] In America, we think of them as shit.

[1332] There's like trash fish.

[1333] But in England, they're prized.

[1334] Like, in England, they have carp fishing contests.

[1335] And they have certain carps that they catch and they weigh in and then they release them.

[1336] And then they catch them again like a year later.

[1337] Like they know the carp.

[1338] And like they were in world records.

[1339] Like, oh, he caught Mr. Fishy again.

[1340] Mr. Fishy is now, you know, 80.

[1341] five fucking pounds.

[1342] They keep catching them year after year until these things die.

[1343] And when they die, they make like a big deal.

[1344] We lost this carp.

[1345] They take carp fishing super serious, which is so strange.

[1346] Because over here in America, we think of them as trash.

[1347] They eat everything.

[1348] Yeah.

[1349] When we see the Asians fishing and whatever they catch, they keep.

[1350] Yeah.

[1351] So it's like the Gar, the Asian carp, they eat them of.

[1352] apparently gar tastes good if you smoke it that's what I've heard I've heard you can smoke car not fucking with it it's a dinosaur yeah it's a weird thing to eat it's like eating a snap dirt or something I didn't shop one just to look at the meat and it's all hard how like all them bones how you going to clean that thing yeah I saw a guy do it on TV guy cooked it on TV I forget what was one of those wild game cooking shows he smoked a gar I can see an alligator gar like when you go down like the Texas or something is it a different kind of Yeah, like the alligator guard, themugs get big.

[1353] Maybe that's what it is.

[1354] You know, but the guard that we got, a little skinny little pencil of things.

[1355] Oh, so they're tiny.

[1356] Yeah, they like that big.

[1357] They long, but they, you know.

[1358] Yeah, those Texas ones are freakish, man. They don't even look real.

[1359] Yeah.

[1360] But listen, man, I'm not going to take up any more of your time.

[1361] I just want to tell you, I'm a big fan.

[1362] It was an honor having you in here.

[1363] I really appreciate watching your fight.

[1364] One of my favorite, I think when I talk to people about combat sports, one of the things that I always talk about is like the difference between the skill level of an elite boxer when you see what that's all they do versus like in MMA you see openings in MMA that you would never see like in boxing so I'm just I'm happy you're out there man I appreciate it and let us know when your fight is we'll let everybody know and just alert the world I'm excited thank you sir thank you man thank you bye everybody I mean can we get a picture yeah