#757 - Gary Clark, Jr.

[0] Yes Gary Clark Jr., welcome to the show Thank you How are you?

[1] I'm great, man I owe Ari Shafir to connect me to you He's the one who connected me He goes check this out He played numb for me I go, who is this motherfucker?

[2] And then from there on I've been a Gary Clark Jr. Awesome, respect to Ari appreciate it Here we are Yeah, man What's going on, man?

[3] Oh man, just trying to figure out L .A. I came out here in July and just kind of figuring it out, man. Is not Austin?

[4] Not at all.

[5] No. Not at all.

[6] But I'm starting to get a little bit, you know, familiar in Austin's a couple hours away on an airplane, so I can figure it out.

[7] But, yeah, man, I'm glad you hit me up.

[8] The Honey Honey Honey crew.

[9] Yeah.

[10] It's the one who, like, pop that off.

[11] Yeah, yeah.

[12] Suzanne connected us.

[13] Yeah, they're great.

[14] They're good people, man. I love those guys.

[15] Yeah, I ran into them at British.

[16] school benefit the new young thing so it's good to reconnect first time i came out here we did a gig with them oh really yeah yeah so what made you move from austin which is like one of the best spots in the world if you could pull it off to california which is still one of the best spots in the world if you can pull it off but so much more complex so much more bullshit so much more ego so much more traffic so much more actors right that's true man that's very true but um i spent some time in new york city i spent my whole life in austin i always wanted to come out west and figure out what it's like you know and um so i got the opportunity to do it so i'm just out here checking it out being a few months oh so there was no like specific like pulling reason you said let me just try l a No, me and my girl just decided we would spend some time out here.

[17] I like it.

[18] Yeah.

[19] I like moves like that, man. I think about doing those all the time.

[20] But my wife is so not into that because I moved that bitch to the top of a mountain at one time.

[21] And she almost fell off the cliff.

[22] Oh, for real?

[23] She got driving the snow.

[24] My dog got killed by a mountain lion.

[25] It was a bunch of shit happened.

[26] Meanwhile, I was in heaven.

[27] Loved it.

[28] Damn.

[29] Yeah.

[30] Well, yeah.

[31] Speaking of mountain lions, I heard they're like.

[32] creeping around over here there's quite a few of them yeah there you can't hunt them in California so they have no natural predators other than cars right and um there's people that think that's a good idea because they keep the deer population in check there's a good argument for that because we don't have Lyme disease it's very little Lyme disease in California and one of the reasons for that is that not that many deer especially around here whereas if you're on the East Coast the East Coast right now has a real lime disease epidemic because these deer are overpopulated and overpopulated deer means they don't get enough food and they're more susceptible to disease and fucking lime disease is the big one ticks these ticks with lime disease i know a bunch of people from the east coast that have got lime disease it's fucking bad it's big down in texas too those deer everywhere yeah so i guess that's a good thing but i'll be freaked out if i walked out you know most of the time enough to worry most of the time they're going after cats and dogs and shit like that they kill a lot of rabbits and small animals and deer they decimate the deer population they kill most of the deer where either coyotes get them or mountain lions get them like when i see deer in my neighborhood it's pretty unusual whereas if i go back east like uh you know like i have a buddy who lives on a farm in um well he owns a farm in wisconsin this fucking deer everywhere there so that's a type of place where you got to worry about ticks fuck that you worried about mountain lines I mean Anything that could Like take a chunk out of me I'm a little bit worried about Where do you live?

[33] Well, don't say specifically Yeah But do you live somewhere hilly?

[34] No, no Okay, you're all right You're in the flatlands Where the people are Although they did kill one in someone's backyard In Santa Monica two years ago Yeah Fucking Santa Monica Do you remember that?

[35] It was a big one too It was like a 150 pound cat And some dude's yard Just chilling sleeping in his yard i can't do that i can't do that talk about something else i'm gonna freak down do you really i just don't i just don't fuck with nature like you know what i mean i'm not you know i love that i don't it's i respect it you know yeah me too so um and you know i'm not really into getting eaten by some shit but just that phrase i don't fuck with nature That should be a picture of you with a guitar pointing at the camera and just says, I don't fuck with nature.

[36] Yeah, right.

[37] Oh, man. You know what I mean.

[38] I know exactly what you mean.

[39] Yeah, it's dangerous, man. You go out there in the wilderness and, you know, cities are great.

[40] You know, people think that somehow and other, if you love nature, that you don't love cities, I love everything.

[41] Cities are this beauty and everything.

[42] Can't be close -minded.

[43] Yeah, I agree.

[44] I mean, I'm coming from where I'm from, Austin, there's, you know, city and then there's nice land around it, so I like to jump back and forth and be involved in both, but I will not fuck with mountain lions.

[45] I don't mess with sharks.

[46] No, me neither, man. Yeah, I'm down with that.

[47] My kids are going to start taking surfing lessons.

[48] They're little.

[49] Five and seven, they want to take surfing lessons.

[50] Like, that's like a bite, like, one bite.

[51] Like, you don't even survive if you get bitten by a shark if you're, you're not.

[52] five.

[53] Did you serve?

[54] No. I don't fuck with sharks either.

[55] Yeah, see.

[56] I would serve if they would figure out some sort of bite -proof suit for sure.

[57] You know?

[58] That's what's holding me back.

[59] Yeah.

[60] That's definitely what's holding me back.

[61] I would have a bite -proof suit, and then I would want a big -ass knife strapped to my thigh.

[62] So if a shark did bite me and it didn't get through, I'd just fucking fight in his head.

[63] Boom!

[64] Motherfucker.

[65] Take that.

[66] Take it, bitch.

[67] Yeah.

[68] Yeah.

[69] I hear you.

[70] Well, there's a lot of them over here, too.

[71] There's more sharks for sure than there are mountain lines, I think.

[72] What do I say for sure if I think?

[73] But when you fly over California, like, there's a lot of, like, helicopters that fly over, like, the Malibu Coast, they take video footage of big -ass great white sharks all the time that are just a couple hundred yards away from people surfing.

[74] Yeah, no thanks.

[75] No, thanks.

[76] That's a lot of helicopters out here in L .A. in general.

[77] Yeah.

[78] Wow.

[79] Well, because it's a big flat area, and there's a lot of criminals.

[80] It's a good way to catch people.

[81] It's weird when you watch it.

[82] You know, they call them ghetto birds.

[83] It's weird when you watch when the helicopters are flying over and they have a spotlight on somebody.

[84] You start feeling guilty.

[85] You haven't even done shit.

[86] Yeah, I know.

[87] I know.

[88] I know.

[89] I'm particularly sensitive, man. I would imagine.

[90] Yeah.

[91] Especially people from out of town.

[92] It wasn't me today, damn it.

[93] How long you've been doing music, man?

[94] man um i've been playing guitar since 96 uh i always kind of wanted one and my folks were i had a habit of of quitting what i started you know like i play baseball for a little bit i try to do martial arts for a little bit i try to do um basketball football and none of it kind of stuck i would always kind of go back to music so finally in 96 i just I got in and quit caring about anything, you know.

[95] I got a guitar, discovered herb, and I was like, yeah, that was about it.

[96] Did you take lessons or did you self -taught?

[97] I didn't take lessons formally, like I didn't pay anybody for lessons.

[98] I probably should at this point.

[99] But my friend of mine, Eve Monce, she had a guitar, and she had a band, and she, her and her band would practice all the time, so I would hear him.

[100] So I would go over there and check it out, and I'll take my guitar, and she would show me, you know, like a 12 -bar blues, kind of like a Jimmy Reed shuffle type thing or like a, you know, power chord, rock and roll thing or whatever.

[101] And so that was kind of how I first started.

[102] And I rented books.

[103] I went to the school library, my middle school library, and just rented, like, how to play guitar.

[104] Wow.

[105] Watch this TV show, Austin City Limits.

[106] It came on every Saturday, so I used to just sit there and figure it out, you know, record the tapes and go back and figure it out.

[107] So it was essentially, like, the first thing that you really connected to that you stuck with.

[108] Yeah.

[109] What was it about playing guitar?

[110] I think the thing for me was, I mean, I love music, and, I mean, the guitar for me was, I mean, the guitar for me was, the instrument that could, it could paint so many different colors.

[111] It was very versatile.

[112] You know, it could be loud, aggressive, or it could be sweet, beautiful.

[113] And I just thought if I could get my hands on one of those, I would, you know, try and push it to the limit.

[114] And, you know, and really figure out, you just play with it.

[115] like the full spectrum.

[116] It's different than, you know, playing an electric guitar.

[117] For me, it seemed more, uh, like there were more options than like, uh, playing drums or playing trumpet or something.

[118] Yeah.

[119] With toys and, you know, things like that.

[120] So that was it.

[121] I don't know.

[122] I'm still trying to figure it out.

[123] I'm as interested in it, you know, 20 years later as I was, you know, then.

[124] That means you got the right thing.

[125] Yeah, I definitely found it.

[126] So I'm fortunate in that way.

[127] It's one of the harder things for kids, right?

[128] When you're a young kid and you don't really know what you want to do with your life and your whole future just looks like just confusing.

[129] Sometimes the hardest thing is finding something that really rings your bell.

[130] Like finding something.

[131] So for you, it seems like there was a bunch of different other options that didn't really click.

[132] And then the guitar just, that was it.

[133] Yeah, well, I mean, baseball was a terrible hitter.

[134] I was pretty fast.

[135] Basketball, I was tall, but I was thin.

[136] So, you know, put me in the post, and I'd get pushed out by these huge guys.

[137] And I got tired of my coach going, God damn a junior, when he would quit being a bitch?

[138] So, you know, it was just with music.

[139] It just kind of clicked.

[140] It was something for me. What martial arts did you do?

[141] I tried taekwondo.

[142] Yeah, perfect build for that.

[143] Yeah, I just didn't have the patience at the time.

[144] I really didn't.

[145] I wish I stuck with it, you know.

[146] But, yeah, I didn't have the patience or the discipline.

[147] I didn't want to, you know, be focused.

[148] Right.

[149] I wanted to, you know, if there's something out the window, I want to go run and, you know, jump out the window.

[150] I'll go ride bikes or whatever it was.

[151] You know, they call that ADD, but I call that just being a fucking person, being curious.

[152] Like there's a lot of shit that doesn't occupy your attention And you're supposed to make it occupy your attention Right You know Well you keep yourself pretty busy Yeah but like But look at like guitar Obviously occupied your attention You know what I'm saying It's like I don't believe in ADD In a lot of senses In a lot of ways I think there's obviously some people that have like a mental issue But I think for most people What they're calling ADD is being bored You just bored Like school How fucking boring is school school's terribly boring yeah I was terrible in it I was terrible too I spent a lot of my time yeah you should stay in school kids but I spent a lot of time showing up to that building and then immediately turning back around and going and doing what interested me yeah and look at you now motherfucker I'm doing all right but I'm doing it's it's finding the thing and then going after it That's what it is.

[153] And what school does is teaches you that the future is bleak in a lot of ways.

[154] Obviously, it educates you.

[155] And obviously, for people that go on to choose some sort of an academic career, it's imperative, right?

[156] But for a lot of people, that pushing you to pay attention to shit you don't want to pay attention to, it stifles creativity.

[157] It's just not the best way for people to learn.

[158] It gives you, like, this horrible feeling about the future.

[159] Like, you feel like an outsider.

[160] Yeah, I didn't feel comfortable.

[161] at all.

[162] I mean, I was constantly trying to figure out, why, why am I spending so much time every day doing this?

[163] You know, and I just had other interests.

[164] I mean, I, I believe that it does work for some people and people need it, but just for me, the type of person that I, that I am, I was just like, I already know what I want to be doing.

[165] I wish I could spend my time doing other things alternative schooling wasn't really an option for me or anything at that point so um is this in austin you were growing up yeah yeah grew up at osse the school system there is pretty badass yeah it was good but i felt like i you know i would much rather have four hours in music class than right right right doing something else so i'm not really knocking the system it was just my my interest you know and uh i think it's almost impossible to find a a of teaching or a course of study that's going to be really interesting and fascinating to every kid.

[166] Right.

[167] The problem, I think, is shoving kids in classes and trying to educate them like they're like a product, like a factory, you know?

[168] I just don't think, I don't think the way we do it is the best way to do it.

[169] I don't have a better solution, so I have to shut the fuck up.

[170] Yeah, I don't either.

[171] Yeah.

[172] I don't either.

[173] Yeah, you had to read that book, Brave New World.

[174] It's cool.

[175] That one kind of tripped me out.

[176] I don't know if I'm ready for that, but yeah.

[177] I don't have a solution either, but...

[178] There's a Cadillac that you have in one of your videos.

[179] Is that your car?

[180] No. God damn, man. See, I hate when that shit happens.

[181] When those stylists, they hook you up with a car that I'm like, damn, Gary Clark Jr. drives a dope -ass old Cadillac.

[182] No, I drive a 94 Cadillac that I think is pretty dope.

[183] But the director of the video was like, no, it's a piece of shit.

[184] So he got this girl to bring her ride.

[185] What year was that one?

[186] I think it was like a 66.

[187] It was so slick.

[188] I was like, if Gary Clark Jr. really drives that Cadillac, there it is.

[189] Look at that motherfucker.

[190] Yeah, no, man. Dude, you look like you just stepped off to set a superfly.

[191] I know.

[192] I know.

[193] And you know what?

[194] And then I got back to my house and then, like, got in my car to go to do whatever I had to do.

[195] And I was like, man, this is not the same shit.

[196] That fucking car is sick.

[197] Yeah.

[198] It was amazing.

[199] Did you get to drive it?

[200] Um, not even.

[201] Just hung next to it.

[202] No, no, no, no. I drove it up and down that street, like, like, seven times.

[203] It's so depressing what they do, man. But they nailed it.

[204] They found the perfect car for your music.

[205] Yeah, I know.

[206] Like, that's a soulful car.

[207] Right.

[208] Like, that car has a soul to it.

[209] It's got, like, uh, it's a piece of history.

[210] It's a, it's a piece of art, you know?

[211] Yeah, I know.

[212] You're making me feel really terrible about my situation.

[213] But you're a successful musician, man. Everybody knows who you are.

[214] Shit, you could go out and get a sweet 66.

[215] Yeah, yeah, yeah, could.

[216] I don't drive that much anymore.

[217] I spend so much.

[218] time on the road man right so you know someday i have a nice little collection yeah someday someday someday in the in the mine you have so you drive you do drive a catalect though yeah yeah escalate or something no no no no i got yeah i got this this 94 Cadillac deville when i was 19 i still got it really yeah man that's actually even cooler because that one's kind of a poser car in a lot of ways with this car in the photo like you know the beautiful 66 you can't can't really take that thing anywhere look at that what are you gonna take it you gonna park it there some asshole with Volvo is gonna open up a car door on you you know yeah I would struggle to parallel park that thing you're gonna get looks from those shitheads and Priuses the self -righteous moral high ground people they're gonna look at you do you have any idea is it worth it is it really worth it you're killing seals just gonna look at you shitty yeah so look at the fucking hubcaps over the rims on that must be rims those aren't hubcaps that's some aftermarket shit those beautiful white wall tires but a lot of ways like your car is actually cooler because your car is like a car that no one no one gets no one wants to try no they don't get it to try to like look cool like that car is such a I'm getting it to look cool car that it's not even yours and they used it for you in a music video to make you look badass right but your car is actually more badass because it's your first car from the time when you're 19 you still have it Right And you drive it But that's pretty cool though Fuck yeah That's cool One day Thanks for making me feel better Well you're more You're more authentic See Like if you were like Going way out of your way To own that car But it was breaking down All the time And it was fucking up And that would be kind of silly That was your only car Right Yeah Yeah But I'm thinking about my car Breaking down all the time Does it?

[219] Yeah It did Well, you've got to get one of them new ones.

[220] Those new Cadillacs are fucking spaceships.

[221] I saw some new thing they were working on, yeah.

[222] They have a bunch of new ones now.

[223] Cadillac's got some incredible cars now.

[224] They're finally, like, something happened in, like, the late 90s, early 2000s.

[225] They started turning around, and now they have pretty amazing cars.

[226] Well, we'll get it to you.

[227] I know.

[228] You need like a CTSV.

[229] You see one of those?

[230] Nah.

[231] I've been in a bubble.

[232] A musical bubble?

[233] Then a musical bubble and then a baby bubble.

[234] Double bubble.

[235] Yeah, so I'm just getting out of it.

[236] Here I am.

[237] Yeah, that's like a two baby bubble, right?

[238] Because music is kind of like you're giving birth through an album.

[239] Does that make sense?

[240] Yeah, definitely.

[241] That's how I feel about it.

[242] You know.

[243] A new one that you came out with in September, it sounds different.

[244] than the other ones but cool but it's almost like you're you know um like you're taking different chances or you're you're experimenting with like different sounds well yeah i was telling jamie when i came in here i was like uh before i you know recorded uh my first album on the major black and blue i was living in texas and i had a live room where i had drums keys, bass, rig, guitar, all set up.

[245] In another room, I had my turntables, drum machines, keyboards all, like, put, like, going to this Pro Tools session.

[246] So I was just making demos and sampling records and just kind of doing whatever I wanted to do.

[247] And so for this, yeah, for this latest record, I just kind of wanted to get back into that space and experiment and vibe and challenge myself.

[248] musically you know it's like just playing out on the road every every night or whatever for a few years kind of playing the same songs and you know trying to bring new life of those in a certain way was different than um i felt like i was kind of stagnant like i wasn't playing drums like i was every day i wasn't playing bass like i was and i you know i want to be a musician i want to be all -round musician and push it to the limit so for this latest record i just was able to do that and spend a lot of time.

[249] So, yeah, it does sound different.

[250] It's all me playing, you know, most of the instruments as opposed to the last one was a band.

[251] Oh, wow.

[252] How many different instruments do you play?

[253] I guess I wouldn't say I'd play them.

[254] You know what I'm saying?

[255] Like, I mess around and some of it works.

[256] But I played drums.

[257] I played bass, keys, harmonica, percussion.

[258] You know, just kind of the foundation.

[259] And did you take lessons for any of these, like formal lessons?

[260] Like once you started rolling and you started becoming a musician?

[261] No, no, no. I was a choir boy in middle school.

[262] Were you?

[263] Yeah, I got a hard time for the, these on the basketball team just, oh, man, they used to give me a hard time.

[264] So that was the formal training that I had.

[265] I learned, you know, scales and, you know, notes like that.

[266] So you can read music?

[267] Not really.

[268] You can put a chart in front of me and I'll...

[269] Okay.

[270] No idea.

[271] I have no idea.

[272] That's so crazy.

[273] You're a musician.

[274] Like, you're a real musician.

[275] You have, like, records.

[276] You're with a record label.

[277] I saw your shit at the airport once, a music video that was playing on a television there.

[278] Like, you're a professional musician.

[279] Right, right, right, right.

[280] But I don't read.

[281] music no but it's like me being a comedian that doesn't right no it's worse it's like me being an author who doesn't read books who can't read books does that make sense no no james says no oh this guy behind he's he didn't play andricks yeah i gotta take that picture down and put a real one up unfortunately that's not his real mugshot photo it's a real photo obviously but that's not the actual for they fucked me man i bought this shit that's rose of Park's real mugshot photo the Elvis one is real but it's not really a mugshot it was when he went to visit Nixon in the White House they took a photo of him for a goof but that's just a classic picture of Hendricks and then they put his actual mugshot photo underneath it his real photo was him with like shorter hair it looked more like a classic afro that's like Jimmy Hendrix experience when they had those white dudes behind him with the big afros as well right yeah that's his real photo Yeah, that's the real one.

[282] See the image is correct for the mugshot, like for his name, but that's the wrong photo.

[283] They fucked me. Somebody had to tell me. Thank you, whoever told me. Some dude, some dude, that ain't the real one.

[284] Fuck.

[285] Fuck, right?

[286] Assholes.

[287] They just got a good one.

[288] I mean, that looks like the perfect arrest photo of Jimmy Hendris.

[289] And he also has this look on his face like, I can't believe these motherfuckers are arrested me. Whereas the other one, he's got the look like, oh, shit, I just got fucking arrested for heroin.

[290] That's a different look, you know?

[291] That's the, ah, fuck, I can't.

[292] God damn it.

[293] Take the picture, man. Shit.

[294] I'm obviously a huge Hendricks fan.

[295] And I can't bring myself to read.

[296] He had a former bodyguard that wrote some book that claims that his ex -exam.

[297] manager had him killed that hendricks manager not only had him killed but even had him kidnapped at one point in time just so he could rescue him because hendricks is going to leave his manager they also this guy also alleges that hendricks manager killed hendricks girlfriend who was with him at the time that he died like she jumped off a building in soho i believe um and they they think that they threw her off that building because she knew that this guy had killed hendricks i don't know I don't know either.

[298] So you did read this?

[299] No, no, I can't bring myself to it.

[300] Yeah, I can't either.

[301] Because I don't want to get down to some rabbit hole that I can't prove, but this guy who was a, he was a musician himself.

[302] He was with the animals, I believe.

[303] You know, what was that, the one hit song they had?

[304] I forget the song.

[305] But he was actually a musician himself, and it didn't work out for him.

[306] And he started working as a bodyguard for Hendricks.

[307] working with this manager character who was apparently, like, universally known as, like, a really bad guy, like, real shady.

[308] Like, back in the day of music, you were dealing with a lot of mob characters, right?

[309] A lot of organized crime characters, a lot of creepy, like, a lot of dangerous people.

[310] Like, Phil Spector, that crazy fuck.

[311] Yeah.

[312] Yep.

[313] I mean, it doesn't get any crazier than that guy.

[314] And if you don't know who Phil Spector is, you'll Google him and you go, well, how come his hair looks like this in one picture?

[315] shirt and his hair like that.

[316] He wore a bunch of crazy wigs when he got arrested for shooting a woman in the mouth just a few years ago and killing her.

[317] He picked up some woman at a bar on sunset took her back to his mansion and shot her in the mouth.

[318] Yeah, he was crazy, but that guy was famous for like putting guns in people's mouths.

[319] He was famous for pulling guns on people.

[320] And apparently it was just a big part of the music business back then.

[321] It was organized crime and just dangerous people with ties to organized crime.

[322] And this guy, who managed Hendricks, Hendricks apparently wanted to leave him.

[323] And as he was, you know, on his way out, that's when this guy had Hendricks kidnapped.

[324] This is what they are alleging in the book.

[325] And I believe it's been confirmed that Hendricks was kidnapped.

[326] And this guy did get him rescued.

[327] The idea is he had him kidnapped so he could rescue him.

[328] So I'd say, look, dude, you need me. I just fucking saved your life.

[329] That's crazy fucking up shit.

[330] Crazy fucked up shit.

[331] Yeah, I don't know if I could dig deep and read.

[332] Yeah, exactly.

[333] I don't want to go there.

[334] I would like to know the truth, but I almost don't want to go down the rabbit hole.

[335] His name was Mike Jeffrey, and apparently he was also a demolition expert in assassin for the British MI6 before he was a manager.

[336] Whoa.

[337] Jesus.

[338] Yeah.

[339] Whoa.

[340] Okay, I got to read the book now.

[341] Sounds fascinating.

[342] Now I got some shit to read this weekend.

[343] Yeah, definitely.

[344] I don't know.

[345] I haven't come across anything like that in the music business.

[346] You get kind of compared to him, though, in a lot of ways.

[347] Why is that?

[348] Is it just because you're a handsome young black man who's very good at the guitar?

[349] I think it's because I'm handsome.

[350] I mean, what is it?

[351] Yeah, I think that's what it is.

[352] But you have, but you do have, like, in NUMM, is a perfect example of that.

[353] you have that's a that's an unusual sound you know those guitar riffs that you have in that and it's uh i can't like there's certain sounds you go ooh like that's a gary cark sound like that sounds like hendricks there's a bunch of hendricks songs where you can hear like voodoo child and you go okay well that's fucking hendricks you know like people can they can catch that sort of unique sound in a world of people riffing, in a world of people making these amazing sounds with guitars, occasionally someone can isolate, like, particular sounds, like, of course, ACDC, right, right, right.

[354] You know, you listen to ACDC, it's, like, almost immediately, you know it's an ACDC song, but you've got your own thing going on.

[355] Yeah, I think so.

[356] But I can understand that Hendricks comparisons, I mean, fuzzy guitars.

[357] over heavy riffs, black guy doing it, you know.

[358] Yeah, I get it.

[359] It used to bother me, but I'm not mad at it.

[360] I mean, it's like, he's great.

[361] Yeah.

[362] I want to be great, you know.

[363] And if people have thrown your name in the same sentence as greats in a positive way, I'll take it and just keep practicing.

[364] Perfect attitude, man. You know what I mean?

[365] Yeah, that's perfect.

[366] Yeah.

[367] What kind of music are you into?

[368] Um, what am I into?

[369] Uh, I, at the moment, I'm into, like, um, southern hip hop.

[370] Really?

[371] Yeah, like, uh, speaking of Cadillacs and stuff, I used to, you know, drive around and, I don't know if y 'all got, like, the chopped and screwed stuff, but, like, I used to listen to DJ screw and, um, what's the chopped and screwed stuff?

[372] Switch your house.

[373] It's like, it's like, it's like.

[374] It's like, the music, it's like, it's just slowed down and kind of, you know, like they'll take a lyric and, like, on a turntable and chop it up and, like, repeat something or whatever.

[375] And it's really kind of heady, trippy stuff.

[376] So I used to, you know, I listen to that all the time.

[377] And so I just recently kind of got back into listening to, you know, things like that.

[378] Like I got Paul Wall's record, Slim Thug, I've been listening to Big Chris.

[379] So just like Texas Southern and stuff I don't know if it's me missing The White too with braces, right?

[380] He's got a grill Sorry, I get confused So it's a little bit different It's a little bit different But yeah So I've been listening I don't know if it's like Texas Yeah there's his braces Yeah so how does he eat corn in the cop That's my question I don't know I think Did those come out?

[381] Is that like a mouthpiece?

[382] I think you take him out.

[383] Yeah.

[384] That's like some shit he wears like a dental dam.

[385] Or no, that's when you eat some dangerous pussy.

[386] That's what a dental dance for, right?

[387] It's for eating dangerous pussy.

[388] That is a...

[389] Which, by the way, if you use that, kill yourself.

[390] If you're even thinking about going down on a girl and you have to throw a fucking tarp over at first, you really...

[391] You've made some terrible choices and you're probably never going to recover.

[392] Stop.

[393] Oh, man. Right?

[394] I mean, come on.

[395] If that's where it's at, well, you'll kiss her, but you won't eat her pussy, you can't stop.

[396] Yeah.

[397] This is chaos.

[398] It's gone too far at that point.

[399] Yeah, you live in your life completely wrong.

[400] You need an intervention.

[401] Psychedelics or something.

[402] There you go.

[403] Psychedelics.

[404] Yeah.

[405] It's been a long time for me on that.

[406] Oh, really?

[407] Mm -hmm.

[408] We can help you.

[409] Jamie can.

[410] He knows people.

[411] right no passing off on him case the cops are listening i heard they're listening yeah right well it's getting closer and closer to being legal man i mean they just uh they just release some new uh new financial stats on the amount of money that they're making off medical marijuana once if they can if they can really establish that this is like a nationwide way that people can make a ton of money off taxes and turn economies around like they have in denver i mean they turn the economy in denver around Do you perform there a lot?

[412] Not a lot.

[413] I'm trying to get there more.

[414] Yeah, but, yeah, I've done belly up a couple times and done some red rocks out there.

[415] Oh, man. Yeah, a couple times.

[416] What a beautiful venue that is, huh?

[417] Yeah, it's great.

[418] But, I mean, the vibe is killer.

[419] It's a great experience as far as everything, all that kind of, you know.

[420] Well, the Denver vibe is like, it's like some new American Amsterdam type shit or something.

[421] It's crazy.

[422] It's this amazing city now.

[423] I mean, it went from being this cowboy city that was filled with really cool people to somewhere, I think, in the early 2000s.

[424] I don't remember what the year it was.

[425] They decriminalized marijuana in the city of Denver.

[426] They just went fucking.

[427] We're just not arrest anybody for it.

[428] It's just stupid.

[429] They're like, you can have all your state laws.

[430] You can have all your national laws.

[431] We're just not going to arrest people for it.

[432] Okay, we're done.

[433] And so they would tell us that when we're working there.

[434] I'm like, yeah, they don't care.

[435] You can smoke pot.

[436] I'm like, really?

[437] Like, yeah, they won't arrest you.

[438] They publicly said they won't arrest you.

[439] So that was the first stepping point.

[440] And then when it became legal, and now they make more money from it than they do from alcohol, which is incredible.

[441] They make more money in tax because the taxes are very high.

[442] Like, it's 39 % taxes for recreational marijuana.

[443] But nobody gives a fuck.

[444] Because it's still way cheaper than alcohol.

[445] Like, you could get $10 with a weed and be fucked up for the entire day.

[446] That's true.

[447] You know?

[448] I mean, you take one.

[449] $1 .5 pot candy.

[450] So what?

[451] It's 39 % taxes.

[452] What is that?

[453] So that makes it, what, $8?

[454] So then you take that one pot candy and you're barbecued.

[455] Right.

[456] That's one Jameson.

[457] Yeah, exactly.

[458] It's one drink.

[459] It's not even close.

[460] So, like, economically, it's a great thing for the city.

[461] And once that sort of sets in that we've been lied to about that, and then all these new studies are coming out about the benefits of, different psychedelics for PTSD.

[462] John Hopkins did a long -term study on psilocybin.

[463] They're doing new studies on psilocybin with people that are terminally ill and people that are they're getting towards the end of life, you know, older folks.

[464] And it's just alleviated tension, the worry and fear of death and in a beautiful way.

[465] And then they'll realize like, hey, you know, we can profit off this shit.

[466] Like this is this is more money that can be generated to help the school systems, to fix the roads, to hire new cops, to change.

[467] the way, you know, we address and interface with these things and stop criminalizing them.

[468] Right.

[469] Yeah, I totally agree.

[470] I'm not as educated on all that as I would like to be, but I feel like, you know, once that door gets opened up, it would be a lot more beneficial than it is.

[471] He said to be, you know, hurting.

[472] Yeah.

[473] Well, we're just stuck in the momentum of an ignorant past.

[474] That's what it is.

[475] You know what I'm saying?

[476] What kind of psychedelics have you experimented with Gary Clark, Jr.?

[477] Uh, there's, I've spent a, why are you looking at me like, I started sweating.

[478] I looked like it could be a cop.

[479] Yeah, I was like, oh, man, I was like, man, what I walk into?

[480] Hold on a minute.

[481] Um, yeah, I spend a little time.

[482] I love, uh, psychedelic mushrooms.

[483] Mm -hmm.

[484] It's been a long time, but, um, I definitely have, experiment i feel like i've gained some things from those experiences uh that's about it that's a good one though mushrooms and weed yeah they're both excellent combination i love it well texas is a great place for it too because texas there's a lot of mushrooms that grow wild out there yeah yeah we um we used to kind of have parties where we would run around and go pick them and yeah did you really It was kind of gross, but...

[485] Picking them off couch.

[486] Yeah, yeah, it was disgusting, but...

[487] How did you know they were the right ones, though?

[488] It's the group of people I surrounded myself with.

[489] People that my mom said, you should stay away from them.

[490] Those mycologists.

[491] Yeah, so it was just kind of like a...

[492] I was hanging with the...

[493] The right crowd.

[494] The right crowd.

[495] The right crowd.

[496] Yeah, definitely.

[497] It turns out to be the right crowd.

[498] Right.

[499] The right crowd, you know, the ones that your mom probably told you should hang out with, they're on fucking antidepressants right now, freaking out, hitting midlife, wondering what the fuck they're doing with themselves, having children, being trapped in some job where they're, you know, most likely, with the people that go the way that everybody wanted us to go, like whether it's a lawyer or successful businessman, they're stressed to fuck out, working long crazy hours.

[500] Right.

[501] Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.

[502] I mean, I feel like regardless of or despite the tension that I had, I mean, I grew up kind of like very strict, very, you know, I was raised like Baptist, you know, very straight, very strict family, military.

[503] So any of that was, you know, completely taboo.

[504] And I would, that would be my ass if they found out anything about it.

[505] but for some reason I felt like I wanted to break out and discover on my own, you know what I mean, and not kind of not be locked into what was just laid out for me, you know.

[506] Yeah.

[507] And so, yeah, you're right.

[508] It turned out being the right crowd.

[509] You're doing great.

[510] That just seems to be a common theme.

[511] Suppression leads to, you know, trying to alleviate that suppression by this not listening, by just going crazy, by exploring, taking shit.

[512] chances oftentimes like the most strict upbringings deliver a child that is like more prone to rebellion and they just kids don't like to be told what the fuck to do yeah yeah you're there it's normal tell me what to do well especially exactly what i'm exact opposite yeah and i'm sure you're probably going to impart that into your own children too because you kind of remember i'm i certainly do with my children i remember being told what to do and and just drive me fucking crazy.

[513] People don't like it.

[514] They don't mind rules if the rules make sense.

[515] Like, hey, don't stick a fork into the electric socket because you could fucking die.

[516] Right.

[517] Oh, okay.

[518] It's a big one at my house right now.

[519] How old's your kid?

[520] Just turned one.

[521] Oh, yeah.

[522] Figured out how to open the door and walk like within two days.

[523] Boy girl.

[524] Boy.

[525] Yeah, they're mobile, man. Yeah.

[526] They start checking.

[527] Plus, they wake up.

[528] They don't say shit.

[529] And you might be sleeping.

[530] And they're like, let me just fucking check out what's going on in this house.

[531] Yeah.

[532] Why is that cord stuck in the wall?

[533] There's some holes in there.

[534] You know, some other shit would fit in there, like coins.

[535] You know, and then they start sticking things in there.

[536] It's blowing my mind right now.

[537] Anyway.

[538] Yeah.

[539] They're fascinating.

[540] They're little people, you know.

[541] Mm -hmm.

[542] But, yeah, I'm trying to, you know, definitely be conscious of that, you know, as he grows.

[543] and and I wouldn't mind questioning why.

[544] Yeah.

[545] That was the whole because.

[546] Right, because I said, yeah, yeah.

[547] I can't do that.

[548] Yeah.

[549] I can't do that to, it drives me fucking nuts.

[550] Of course.

[551] Well, I have a theory on all that stuff.

[552] I think that every generation gathers up the information of how the previous generation fucked up And as long as there's no cataclysmic disasters and we're not living in Mad Max times where it's like desperado days and everyone's fending for themselves and it's just about survival, then things just keep getting better.

[553] Right.

[554] Well, now you can pull out your mobile device and, you know, figure out what's really happening, you know.

[555] Yeah.

[556] And that's kind of a trip.

[557] Oh, yeah.

[558] I mean, to kind of grow up and just not.

[559] really know not have access like we have access now I mean it still blows my mind like that I forget sometimes that if I want to know something I can just Google yeah and you know what I mean yeah it's amazing yeah yeah so I saw something you were talking about these Google glasses yeah and like you know these whole being these I don't know what it is it's a my buddy Chris was trying to tell me about it as well.

[560] Well, there's a bunch of different kinds.

[561] There's the regular Google glasses, which a lot of people have seen, which is a very small lens that sits on, like, mock frames.

[562] It looks like a glass frame without any glasses in it.

[563] And then there's one small window.

[564] But that didn't really catch on.

[565] So what they're working on now is contact lenses that do the same thing.

[566] But the Google, the glass thing, you had, like, a little swipe thing, and you could, like, swipe left and right and move it around.

[567] So you could go, like I could say, I could Google.

[568] Google Gary Clark images, and I would see in that little tiny window images, and I could just swipe through them.

[569] You could say navigate to the Hollywood Bowl, and it would show you Google Maps how to get to the Hollywood Bowl, and it would talk to you in your ear.

[570] But people didn't like it because it looked goofy, and when people were wearing them, other people got pissed off.

[571] Like, are you filming me?

[572] Like, what are you doing?

[573] Because you could film with them, too.

[574] so now they've moved to contact lenses which they haven't really released yet but they're working on them and then there's another one that's way crazier which is like goggles these are like ski goggles and when you put these motherfuckers on you're going to be able to play video games in 3D space you're going to have like three dimensional holograms around you that's the thing I was wondering about so called Magic Leap or no Magic Leap is a one Magic Leap and the HoloLens by Microsoft that's the one with the goggles right the hollow lens, but yeah.

[575] What do you think about that?

[576] It's crazy.

[577] This is just step one.

[578] I've actually been talking about this on stage recently because I'm actually kind of freaked out about it, that we're going to enter a world within the next hundred years where artificial reality is indistinguishable from regular reality.

[579] It's the matrix.

[580] It's 100 % going to happen.

[581] If we don't blow ourselves up and we don't die from disease, if we don't get hit by an asteroid, we're going to be able to figure out a way to trick the mind into thinking it's experiencing things that it's not experiencing whether how long it takes is just subjective but whatever the amount of time it is in the history of the universe or the history of this planet it's a blink and in one blink you're not going to be able to tell whether reality's real or not you're going to be able to plug into something and you're going to be able to have artificial experiences so like we could do this yeah yeah we might be doing it right now that's what's fucked up about it when when scientists study artificial reality and they study what they call computer simulation theory, the real mind fuck is it's hard to tell whether or not this is a simulation and that it's very likely that it could be, that our entire universe could be some sort of a massive simulation that we're experiencing.

[582] It might not even be like a computer simulation.

[583] It might be some sort of a simulation that's going on like at a cellular level, like some sort of a mass hallucination Wow.

[584] These are not my theories, by the way.

[585] I think about that.

[586] These are not, you know, my ideas.

[587] Wow.

[588] Yeah.

[589] I don't even know what to tell you.

[590] Well, just think about what you said, right, about Google, right?

[591] About being able to go to your phone and have all the answers.

[592] When you were a kid, that was magic.

[593] That was magic.

[594] Right.

[595] The idea behind that was insane just 20 years ago.

[596] 1996, the idea of being able to do this.

[597] that was insane everybody'd be like what in the fuck are you talking about you're going to be to reach you in your phone you're going to be able touch a piece of glass you're not you don't have to touch it you press a button you talk to it and it'll tell you anything you need to know like what how the fuck is that possible you're going to be able to watch videos on it shut the fuck up you're going to watch movies on it you're going to be able to play hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours of music on it and it'll sound beautiful and it'll all be a thing that's so slim and sleek it fits right in your pocket.

[598] Like, we're already living in some crazy movie that they didn't even predict in Star Trek.

[599] Yeah.

[600] Star Trek, they had walkie -talkies.

[601] Remember?

[602] That's crazy.

[603] It is crazy.

[604] I'm just getting old.

[605] What is this, Jamie?

[606] Microsoft added a new update to what HoloLens is going to look like.

[607] This is what they think watching sports will be like in the future.

[608] It's just like what watching football, a football game might.

[609] Oh, you'd be able to watch it in front of you?

[610] Yeah, all sorts of, like, the players, you can have players and stats pop up in your, like, living room and get extra.

[611] It looks really cool.

[612] So everyone's just going to sit down and put these goggles on instead of having a television?

[613] Or with the television, so you all have extra stuff with the TV.

[614] Look at this.

[615] I can only imagine what, like, the UFC event watching that would be like, you know what I mean, you get extra stats on the players.

[616] It would be really cool.

[617] also probably will put a big camera on the referee so you'd be inside of it or watch them from their view you know what I mean watching from any player's view if you choose to if they can pull that off with well they probably could do that with players they wouldn't be able to do it with fighters but with pride they used to have a camera that they would put on the referees it was this crazy dorky thing it was like real big and clunky it was like a camera that sat next to their head and they would they would wear that thing and it was kind of cool to see it from their perspective but that was fairly rudimentary considering it was like early 2000s like what this is going to be is going to be bananas but then you're going to hang out with goggles on you know you and your friends have to have goggles oh man yeah I don't know I guess it's it's kind of like the silent disco thing what's the silent disco thing a silent disco is like where people like a whole bunch of people hang out in a room or a club and they have headphones on and there's like there's DJs and you can decide if you want to go with DJ A or DJB and so there's a bunch of people just like dancing in a silent room with headphones on.

[618] Really?

[619] Like having a great time.

[620] And it's like do you want a drink?

[621] What?

[622] Oh is this it right here?

[623] You showing me this Jamie?

[624] So there's these people that dance it around And they just have different wireless headsets on Yeah Oh, okay Oh, this is crazy Everyone's just listening to the same thing There's just no out Like no one outside can hear you Right Well that's good to your neighbors That's awesome in that way It's great for your neighbors Yeah, you don't have to be rude Because it's like that one asshole in your block Who has a party but his music taste sucks There was this party that they had near my neighborhood about 10 years ago And it was the most fucking depressing Like trapped in the It was like I'm trying to remember what kind of music there It was like Captain and Teneal or some shit It was so bad It was just like how are they cranking this?

[625] Like what the fuck are they doing?

[626] You want to show up at their house with like some That's a bad example I can't remember what it was because I blocked it out Like childhood molestation it was so bad they were they were playing this fucking terrible but it was like this asshole was playing it loud like he it wasn't you couldn't even enjoy it was so loud there's no way he was enjoying it he was enjoying showing off that he was having a party with this shitty music that him and his dying friends were playing what do you listen to i listen to a lot of classic rock a lot like as i get older it just seems like i'm becoming that old dude that listens to classic rock like i listen to a lot of leonard skinnard a lot of of Hendricks.

[627] I've been listening to a lot of, um, boy, just almost anything from the 60s and the early 70s is what a lot of, a lot of what I listen to.

[628] Listen to a lot of credence lately.

[629] Cretus.

[630] Yeah.

[631] That's good.

[632] I, um, I, um, Fogoodie's voice used to kind of mess me up, but I've come to, like, accept, appreciate, the tone and, like, the, you know, comes from a heartfelt place.

[633] When I was younger, I couldn't, what's he saying?

[634] Yeah, you got to, there's certain music that you got to revisit as you hit different stages in life, I think.

[635] There's certain music that I wasn't into, and then I'd go back now, and now I can get into it.

[636] Credence is one of those, yeah.

[637] Like, my friends in high school were in the credence, and I'm going, worse.

[638] Yeah, in high school, people were listening to the Houston, like, Swisher House, Paul Wall.

[639] Mm -hmm.

[640] That's all I caught.

[641] syrup music, right?

[642] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[643] From it's like, so it was, uh, that UGK outcast, a lot of Dave Matthews.

[644] A lot of.

[645] Dave Matthew, Jesus.

[646] Yeah, I went to, like, this, I went to this school.

[647] Anthony Bourdain just shut this podcast off right now.

[648] That's it.

[649] We're done here.

[650] But it was different.

[651] Corey Morrow, Robert Earl Keene, like a lot of, it was different.

[652] I mean, like, and some of it I've come to appreciate, and some of it I've just kind of left behind.

[653] I like Outcast.

[654] Outcast, they do a lot of experimental shit.

[655] Love it.

[656] Yeah, they're great.

[657] They do a lot of interesting.

[658] Didn't that one dude from Outcast, wasn't he supposed to play Jimmy Hendrix?

[659] He did.

[660] Yeah, he did that movie.

[661] I never heard about it.

[662] No. Yeah.

[663] I never heard a thing about it.

[664] Really?

[665] They just came and went.

[666] Did you see it?

[667] Yeah, I saw it out here.

[668] How was it?

[669] It was good as far as a story.

[670] I mean, it was, I felt like Andre played Hendricks great.

[671] There was a lot of stuff that I didn't know.

[672] Wasn't that where they had to do different music because they couldn't use the Hendricks music?

[673] Yeah, so that for me was kind of fucked me up a little bit.

[674] A little bit.

[675] Because it was, it was recreated.

[676] recreated and then being a guitar player wasn't quite hard so it really kind of like it really kind of it messed me up but I mean the story was was great and I think Andre did a great job and the cast did a great job considering what they you know working with but there was no Hendricks music and how could they should have scrapped the project or paid up paid the family you got to pay the family if you want to make a fucking documentary or a biopic about arguably the greatest guitarist that's ever lived, you've got to use his fucking music.

[677] And you've got to give his parents the money or whoever, whoever's alive, give him the money.

[678] You've got to pay him.

[679] It's the only way you're going to do it right.

[680] Otherwise, you're going to get a movie like that where we don't talk about it.

[681] It just goes in and out.

[682] Yeah.

[683] The guitar thing must drive you crazy, though.

[684] When you know he's not really playing that, I couldn't handle it.

[685] I couldn't handle it.

[686] Because me, on a much lesser scale, I'm not a professional pool player.

[687] but when I watch someone in a movie and I know they can't really play pool it's very obvious you see the way a guy's holding a stick the way the stick moves in their arm it's like have you ever seen someone hold a cigarette that doesn't really smoke and you can tell yeah like a smoker can tell like almost immediately when someone doesn't actually smoke or at least someone who is not aware of how people who smoke I'm sure an actor can figure out how to smoke like a smoker a lot easier than someone could figure out how to play guitar and mimic it right because when I see someone who can't play pool in a movie and you're like you know pool hall junkies or something like that I'm like shit get that fucking thing off the tell it drives me crazy like that guy can't play he can't play there's no he's doing it all wrong I know he's like at his bridge look at the way he's holding it this is bullshit and that's something real similar I mean real simple rather it's just a the movement of an arm and I could tell but for fingers and keys and the way a guy's sounding I mean there must be bananas to you yeah I yeah drove me nuts I mean I don't know what to say I was like fuck somebody fix it yeah what the fuck man how do they not have like a coordinator I don't know I don't know I don't know but you know unless you're bullshit and unless it's like a crazy kung fu movie like obviously I have a connection to martial arts where if I know someone's doing something that's not really gonna work it'll drive me crazy but if he's like like fucking pulling people's hearts out and flying through the air and throwing sidekicks through buildings, I'm willing to suspend this belief, you know?

[688] But you can't do that for Jimmy Hendricks in a fucking biopic.

[689] Yeah, that's true.

[690] I got a question for you.

[691] One of my favorite shows growing up was Kung Fu, David Carrick.

[692] Yeah.

[693] How did you feel about that?

[694] Oh, bullshit.

[695] Yeah.

[696] Yeah.

[697] I loved it when I was a kid, though.

[698] Right.

[699] But you watch it now.

[700] You're like, what?

[701] But it was basically fighting people who didn't know how to fight.

[702] like there was no one he fought like some dude came out and was a legit Muay Thai fighter started kicking his legs David Carrotene pulled his throat out and killed him Was I some drunk guy with the beer mud Yeah Exactly I don't think he really learned Kung Fu for that show I don't know But it didn't seem like he did It seemed like he had very little That seemed like a real martial arts move Yeah I don't I recently went back A couple years ago and like bought the series and watched the whole thing because as a kid I loved it.

[703] It was like, oh, my dad will put it on.

[704] Here you go, son, learn something, you know, lessons about how not to be an asshole.

[705] Yeah.

[706] And so, yeah, but I watched it recently, and I was wondering, I was like, what are these guys?

[707] You know, guys who really know what's up, how do you feel about this?

[708] Because I don't know, you know what I mean?

[709] Right, right.

[710] So.

[711] Yeah, no one respects it.

[712] Okay.

[713] but it was a good show in terms of it was interesting like if you take out the martial arts element of it it's an interesting show you got this guy who's uh raised in a like a monastery and then he's wandering through the old west it's kind of a cool premise you know the premise behind is really interesting you know and he was like this real calm peaceful guy who wasn't an asshole at all it could not have been nicer right and that was a unique character because they're really never been anybody on television it was like that it's like this enlightened peaceful guy you know he had long hair and shit he's just kind of a hippie and he's wandering through life and people keep fucking with him right keep fucking with him all right you know it was interesting in that way like it made a lot of people want to pretend they're that guy I'm sure I was one of them that's definitely one of them yeah like how so how so yeah how are you one of them I mean I just Just the attitude, just the, you know, I would, I was waiting for a moment, you know.

[714] I wish somebody would so I could quiet Chang -Kane.

[715] That's the opposite, though.

[716] He wished somebody would be peaceful.

[717] Right, I know.

[718] And you're like, I wish somebody would.

[719] But I just, I mean, I was a kid, so I could, you know, of course.

[720] I love that.

[721] Speaking of being inspired, man, you know, one of my favorite things that I love to do, which I haven't done in a while, was, you know, catch up and watch the UFC, you know, and get into that.

[722] And I was sitting around and starting to kind of feel like a piece of shit, drinking too much and whatever.

[723] And so I was, you know, looking at these guys, you know, training and doing what they do.

[724] So it kind of inspired me to get on my bike and get the heavy bag and get on the weights and do my thing.

[725] And I was really into it.

[726] I haven't been been keeping up for a while and kind of got the gut to show.

[727] and I'm working on.

[728] I need to get back on my game, is what I'm saying.

[729] Do you want to train while you're in L .A.?

[730] Is that what you're saying?

[731] I would love to.

[732] I'll find you a place.

[733] I need to.

[734] I need to do something.

[735] Well, we'll talk off the air and I'll get you, like, are you interested in taking Jiu -Jitsu?

[736] Or what are you interested in doing?

[737] Well, whatever was kind of right for me and my build and I don't have a whole lot of time, but I'm definitely interested in getting back into it and getting my mind focus.

[738] The reality is there's different styles of Jiu -Jitsu that are great for every build.

[739] And when I say different styles, I mean, different approaches to...

[740] Jiu -Jitsu is so broad.

[741] There's so many different techniques and there's so many different strategies and so many different moves and counter moves that your build is perfect for Jiu -Jitsu.

[742] You're long and tall.

[743] You have long arms and long legs, and you can catch people in chokes that a stubby little dude like me can't because I have short arms and short legs, you know?

[744] It's different, but different builds like mine are better for certain positions.

[745] Right.

[746] You know, like, there's this guy, Hussamar Paul Harris, who's, he's like me, but more exaggerated.

[747] He's way thicker and more muscular, and he just tears people's legs apart.

[748] He's a leg lock specialist.

[749] And there's a lot of other guys that are smaller that is, like, really fast, and they're good at taking people's backs, like, Marcella Garcia.

[750] But there's a lot of tall guys in jujitsu.

[751] There's definitely an advantage.

[752] There's an advantage of leverage, like, just mechanical leverage from having long limbs.

[753] It's good for striking, too, though, man. It's good for learning striking arts.

[754] Like, if I had to say, like, if there's one build that has, like, the most definitive advantages, I would say tall and long, because it's harder to hit you because you're further away from me, like, you can hit me in a place where I can't hit you.

[755] Like, how tall are you?

[756] Six, four.

[757] You're six, four.

[758] I'm five, eight.

[759] So you're dealing with all that.

[760] You're dealing with eight extra inches.

[761] So there's eight extra inches between, like, your head and my head, which may or may not translate as far as, like, how long your arms are, how long your legs are.

[762] legs are but definitely there's at least a few inches of advantage which means like if we were both throwing punches at the same time you would hit me before I would hit you and I probably would never hit you because of that because you would hit me like as I was throwing a punch and I'd get fucked up like that's that's a big advantage like John Jones the UFC former light heavyweight champion he's like the best at you because he's a big tall dude and he's the best at like using that advantage it's one of the best advantages of being long and tall right yeah I'm ready you're ready I need to do something I know I'm like bawling at my fist while you're talking I'm like yeah let's do this well it's a great way to blow off energy and stress yeah I need that as well yeah definitely people get addicted to it like we was talking about Bourdain he didn't even start doing it until he was 58 and 57 58 and now he does it every day he does jiu -jitsu every day he loves it he's obsessed with it yeah a lot of musicians get into it I know a lot of musicians that are into jiu -tzu because it becomes like a martial arts really are an art form it doesn't seem an art form to the outsider because people they say oh it's just fighting it's just brutality but the reality is there's way way way more people who are into martial arts who never get into a fight ever than than people who use it either in competition or use it for self -defense it's uh it's it's a form of art it's an expression and when you watch someone pull off a move it's beautiful it's just it's It's one of those things that seems to be only beautiful for people who understand it.

[763] But for people who understand it, it's amazing.

[764] Yeah.

[765] No, I mean, I can respect it.

[766] I kind of understand what's going on.

[767] I can appreciate it.

[768] Like, you know, someone playing a nice solo or something and executing it well.

[769] Yeah.

[770] I can kind of get that, you know, the art, what it takes to pay attention and be in that moment and, you know, execute.

[771] It's a bunch.

[772] It's that.

[773] It's a bunch of other factors, too.

[774] It's setting up an attack that either the person couldn't anticipate or couldn't figure out what to do in time.

[775] And then it locks in.

[776] And then once it locks in, you're like, oh, it's beautiful.

[777] It's like a painting or a work of art or a masterful guitar solo or any of those things.

[778] Art is your dedication and your focus and then the expression and the results of that dedication and focus in a way where, like if I'll watch someone pull off a move that I don't know how to do it's particularly beautiful to me because I'm like oh shit look at he did that like there's certain moves that I'll have to replay like over and over and over again like I'll watch certain setups like over and over and over again until I get it into my head and I didn't this so many different ways to move the body that there's a lot of like I've been doing jiu -jitsu since 1996 and there's still a bunch of moves that I don't know I don't understand and I have to go oh how did he do that how do you do that?

[779] But today, like we're talking about, like with Google, we're so lucky that we could just go to YouTube videos.

[780] And one of the beautiful things about jujitsu is it used to be that martial arts were like a secret, this is the secret death touch.

[781] And nobody would tell you that secret death touch.

[782] But it didn't exist.

[783] It was bullshit.

[784] The reality of jujitsu is almost every move people are dying to explain to people because people love learning new shit.

[785] people that are jujitsu artists love learning new stuff so people that are jujitsu artists that have a new move love to put that move online it's a big part of the community a huge part of the community is sharing and openness so like everybody does seminars and everybody teaches everybody everything but in the early days it wasn't like that even the early days of jujitsu when what happened was in 1993 when the ufc was created people first started to see jujitsu and they're like what the fuck but there was a lot of moves like triangles things like along those lines where I had friends that would take classes at certain schools and they would say, hey, you know, hoist Gracie tapped out Dan Severin with a triangle, how do I do that?

[786] And the teacher were like, you're not ready for that yet.

[787] Like, I can't teach you that yet.

[788] That's a black belt technique or that's a purple bell technique or whatever.

[789] And they just, people are like, turned off to it.

[790] And then they found other more unconventional open -minded schools that immediately taught everybody everything.

[791] And those are the schools that became prosperous.

[792] Those schools were really successful.

[793] And the schools that held people back, they never produced champions.

[794] They never produced any, like, real notable Jiu -Jitsu players.

[795] And the open -minded, like, experimental schools, those are the ones that blew up.

[796] It's really interesting in that way.

[797] Yeah.

[798] Like, the free exchange of information overwhelmingly won out in the world of Jiu -Zitsu.

[799] That makes sense to me. It does, right?

[800] Yeah.

[801] So how does it, like, like, I have a same kind of appreciation for, for, like, the art, martial arts, comedy, music, you know, anything like that.

[802] Like, I can appreciate the hard work and everything that goes back into it.

[803] So do you feel the same way about martial arts as, like, comedy, or do you approach it the same way?

[804] Well, in some ways, yeah.

[805] In some ways, it's about practice, dedication, application, and reality.

[806] Like, if something's not funny, it's just not funny.

[807] If people don't laugh, they just don't laugh.

[808] And if a technique doesn't work, it just doesn't work.

[809] You know, if you can't pull it off, if somebody chokes you, they just choked you.

[810] Right.

[811] You know?

[812] That's it.

[813] You could be a 20 -year black belt, right?

[814] And some dude catches you in a guillotine.

[815] He's only been doing jujitsu for six months.

[816] But someone teaches him how to do this, grab your arm like that, pull it underneath someone's neck, wrap your legs around and squeeze.

[817] And you can't get out?

[818] Well, he tapped you.

[819] Even if he's only been doing jujitsu for six months.

[820] And you've been doing jiu -jitsu for 30 years.

[821] it's still real if a guy taps you they tap you it's just there's no it's like it's one of the things I love about pool the ball either goes in the hole or it doesn't go in the hole it doesn't matter if you either knock it in the hole or you don't there's no I almost made that shot that doesn't mean jack shit you know it doesn't mean anything oh man I'm that asshole who says that well we all say it but you know the reality of the actual winning of the game right right it's a personality thing like sometimes people can get really far on a bullshit personality and a lot of bravado and a lot of bragging and a lot of false stories and and and then the actual application in life is they've sort of skirted through with all the dance moves and all the personality but they don't have any real substance to it that doesn't work in jiu -s just like it doesn't really work in comedy comedy like personality accounts for a certain amount of the audience accepting you but ultimately if your concepts aren't there and if you don't have like a good setup, if you don't know how to deliver it in a way that the people are going to, like, it's going to easily enter into their mind and they're going to like carry along, then it either works or it doesn't.

[822] And there's some parallel truths in that, in martial arts and in comedy in that way.

[823] Right.

[824] Yeah.

[825] Yeah, I'm very intrigued by all of it.

[826] So, you know, that's what I'm asking.

[827] so I'm very curious I want to get in there well all complex systems whether it's music writing creating a movie anything complex things are fascinating to me too because I just you know I like I've never made a movie but when I see like CGI animators I go watch this this documentary on guys making animated scenes for films like special effects scenes and I think to myself wow that is fascinating like they're creating an artificial world and inside that artificial world they have these creatures moving and they have these people that have to put on these motion capture suits and go through the motions pretending they're interacting with these things that aren't even there and then someone has to piece it.

[828] It's amazing to me. It's amazing to me. But I'm not going to do it.

[829] I don't have any time.

[830] But I look at that the same way I kind of look at music or the same way I look at writing or comedy or anything.

[831] It's fascinating to me watching someone go after something and put it together and make something that is almost unfathomable take place whether it's a creation of an album whether it's a comedy special whether it's someone writes an amazing book I love when people get shit done yeah I do too it's a beautiful thing yeah right well as artists right like does that like as an artist does that inspire you when you see like if you go to see a great movie or read a great book or something like that Does that inspire you to want to create?

[832] Yeah.

[833] It doesn't inspire me to create a, write a book.

[834] Right, right, right.

[835] But I think I kind of know what my lane is at this point.

[836] You know, I try to stay at it.

[837] Yeah.

[838] But, yeah, I mean, I'll definitely go see a movie or read, you know, and it'll get my creative juices flowing.

[839] and, you know, inspire me to be, to just be better and try and contribute, you know what I mean?

[840] Contribute something good or be positive and make myself feel something and make somebody else feel something.

[841] I don't know.

[842] It does something to me, definitely.

[843] It's hard to describe.

[844] I still can't, you know, describe what it is that makes this creative thing click or explain how I do what I do.

[845] but, you know, definitely seeing movies or hearing, you know, hearing, you know, great musicians, great guitar players, sometimes, you know, to freak me out.

[846] And I'll go, oh, shit, my ego gets involved a little bit, you know what I mean?

[847] And I'm like, just want to hunger.

[848] But, you know, it's like, okay, I respect that.

[849] Let me go get on my game and do my thing.

[850] There's this, oh, man, there's this, This guitar player down in Austin, Texas, who I haven't seen in a while.

[851] And his name's Derek O 'Brien.

[852] It's one of the greatest blues guitar players in the world.

[853] Played, backed up Muddy Waters, Albert Collins, everybody.

[854] He's like in the house band at Anton's club.

[855] I hadn't seen him in a while.

[856] So I go back home and, you know, I got my little reputation.

[857] You know, people are like, oh, you know, you're this, that, that, that.

[858] And I'm, you know, I'm like, all right.

[859] I know my strengths and weaknesses, but I was feeling good about myself.

[860] And then I got up on stage and let this, you know, this guy was just ripping it.

[861] And I just, in that moment, I was like, fuck.

[862] I was like, I ain't got shit on this guy.

[863] You know what I mean?

[864] It's like, it was a nice reality check.

[865] So I immediately went back and, you know, started to shed.

[866] And I've been kind of doing it since.

[867] Yeah, that's a beautiful thing about being around inspiring artists.

[868] It's one of the cool things about being in a place like an L .A. or like Nashville, or if you're a musician, if that's your style of music or Austin or anywhere, where there's a good group of people that are also doing the same thing.

[869] It's like, you use those people and they use you, and everybody's, like, fuel for each other.

[870] Mm -hmm.

[871] Yeah.

[872] Yeah, definitely.

[873] I'm starting to kind of figure out the scenes here in L .A. a little bit.

[874] more as well.

[875] You know, I went out the other night and had like this sitting in jazz musicians and, you know, really like the best of the best.

[876] You know, people are on top of the game.

[877] Folks who can read charts, you know what I mean?

[878] When you, do you practice, like, do you go to, like, are there certain clubs that a musician like you can go and just fuck around with new stuff?

[879] Like, for stand -ups, we'll go to the comedy store.

[880] and we'll practice or we'll go to the improv and we'll practice like if i have some new bits that i'm working on right i will go there and i'll air them out right um yeah in in austin where i'm from there's a spot every sunday they'll have a blues jam you know and uh so yeah yeah you would either go sit in with um people that you don't know i haven't played with before or whatever, and, you know, try out some new chords.

[881] Maybe you learned something fancy that could, you know, transition chord, you know, to, you know, go from the one to the five on the turnaround and the slow blues, whatever, and the key to see, whatever, you know.

[882] So you go work that out, and, or you bring your squad.

[883] I mean, me and my buddy Zapata would, he plays in my band.

[884] We would go up sometimes and, you know, I know a drummer that kind of knew how we flowed bass player who could pick up on something like we got this new track we're about to fuck people up with this and either it would work or it wouldn't but yeah there was those places and um yeah that's the kind of the fuel you know to be in those spots and be around other players and get up and do that thing um yeah that's there's nothing like that yeah so for you when you create music is it um like do you just get an idea like how to what is the creation process you from is it does it vary or is there a specific creation process from the moment you get an idea to putting it to paper or to remembering it and making a song and putting the beat to it and putting the sounds to it um it's kind of an unorganized mess i haven't figured out a process and um i don't think it's a mess i think it just comes naturally like i'll have a guitar and i might you know, have a chord progression and it'll just kind of stick and then I'll put a melody over it.

[885] I'll be singing something around the house and, you know, grab the guitar and put that together or, you know, with technology, I love being able to travel and, you know, I travel a lot.

[886] So on airplane or on the bus, I'll pull out an NPC or something and kind of put in drum tracks and build from there or whatever.

[887] So it all just kind of depends on where I am and what I have access to.

[888] But now having a little one, being at home, I gotta like take advantage of my time.

[889] It's like, oh, you have an hour here, go try and make something happen.

[890] Right, right.

[891] So it's ever changing it.

[892] But just whatever feels right, you know.

[893] I don't think if it becomes too much of a formula, then I think it'll lose its, it's raw, organic.

[894] kind of what I got into it for right just kind of not knowing and not not having any rules or you know so yeah it it just depends that's a real common thing that you said that a lot of people say that once they had a kid they realize that their free time is actually precious so because kids demand so much time babies demand so much time and you just really don't have much to you start going okay kids asleep let's get to work and you actually get more done because you have children than you did when you were free oh man I would sit around and you know I was singing a living by myself I'd be working on a song for eight hours I'd have a loop playing you know and just yeah you go get some food I'll come back to that maybe something awesome maybe I'll get like the genius idea or whatever and um yeah i spent two months working on one song you know i don't you don't have that much time anymore so yeah it's blessing you know kind of like get your shit together you're gonna do it or you're not yeah louis k was the first person to tell me that and it didn't it was so counterintuitive i was like really he's like yeah i actually i get a lot more done now than i have children than i did when i was free to do whatever i wanted he's like now i'm just under the gun all the time so that's how get things done yeah well creatively I guess yeah for me I mean we spend so much time out on the road like we're gone a lot so it's I kind of need my quiet time and there's not really a lot of quiet time a bunch of dudes hanging around right smelling like ass you know yeah yeah it's just it's it's a lot and I can't really function that way so I kind of have to be home in order to be creative and do that.

[895] When you go on the road, do you do, like, long stretches?

[896] Like, you go on the road for, like, two months at a time and have a bunch of dates laid out for you?

[897] Yeah, I mean, we take off here next week, and we're pretty much gone until maybe August or something.

[898] Whoa.

[899] I mean, we'll have a few days here and there.

[900] We'll come back home, and, you know, we'll be.

[901] So do you bring your family with you?

[902] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[903] come with me sometimes and um yeah like we just they just came with us we were in australia and you know just did the whole trip you know that's on the planes and everything who that flight yeah that flight wrecks you it's not my favorite it's not my favorite either i kind of hate it yeah somebody just offered me a trip to new zealand a vacation trip to new zealand i was like bitch that's on a vacation no that's work that's it's 16 hours and a fucking plane or whatever the hell it is like come on there's nothing vacationy about that yeah it's beautiful over there you know but by the time you can get over there you're tired you just want to go back home i would think that it would be a vacation for someone who didn't travel all the time but for someone like you or someone like me who's always traveling it's like what yeah yeah i kind of like to be at home yeah i'm kind of boring that way it's like i could be in my house for like three days straight yeah but that's also because you travel so much it's in direct contrast to that so it's a welcome change right but i got guys on my crew who will get right off tour and just go hit it really yeah single guys though no really yeah like get off the plane uh you know from a tour and then just like bossed off my boy went to cuba well like going on tour for for it seemed like what forever and then he's like chilling in cuba like wow that seems exhausting You know?

[904] Cuba is one of those places, though.

[905] I think I need to go to.

[906] I think I need to go to it before it changes.

[907] Yeah, so soon.

[908] Yeah, because right now there's no internet.

[909] They don't have any internet.

[910] You can't keep track of your emails.

[911] It's like a couple spots where you could get like 3G.

[912] My boy, Chris Krishna, found him.

[913] Yeah.

[914] How he found him?

[915] He found him.

[916] He was like, I love it.

[917] What's up, Chris?

[918] He goes, he goes, oh, I'm.

[919] I'm going down to cube.

[920] I'm not going to be able to get in touch with you.

[921] And I was like, all right, man. You know, I get it, cool, have fun.

[922] And then I get this call from this weird number.

[923] He's like, yo, I feel in the one spot.

[924] I was like, man, why you just enjoy, you know, chill out?

[925] Just be off the grid for a minute, you know?

[926] It's hard.

[927] Yeah.

[928] It's hard for people.

[929] It's one of the things I like most about hunting trips.

[930] Like a lot of them, you're in places where you don't have a choice.

[931] You're in the middle of a mountain.

[932] there's nothing up here dude nothing you might be able to get to the top of them out and send someone a text message right they might not be able to reply and they might not even get it it might just get lost in the air somewhere yeah that's kind of where i need to go to go write my songs and stuff just get out so hunting trips dude i saw this thing you it's like this big ass what is it like a moose oh a moose leg yeah I was like walking through the airport walking through somewhere and I was like what the fuck I felt like this small of like a man I was like dude this guy's beast mode right now well um that was a intentionally they wanted to make something that was like as in your face about the realities of meat as possible right you know I got into it with some people on Twitter the other day I like to troll vegans occasionally I see you Because someone was making They were making some stupid shit Saying that saturated fats Are terrible for you Like they're no they're not They're not There's scientific studies that show Saturated fats are actually Healthy for you And important for you But people think that If you hunt or if you're involved Somehow in animals That you're sometimes eating animals That you're a cruel person That you You want to hurt animals You want to cause pain and suffering No I don't want to have anything to do With factory farming Because I don't want to be involved in that But the animals that I'm out hunting, like, if I don't get them, a wolf's getting them, or a coyotes get them, or a mountain lion's getting them.

[933] I'm like, they're not living forever.

[934] They have a very short window of time where they're alive.

[935] If they make it, if a deer makes it to six years old, that is a really old deer.

[936] And most of them, they die long before that.

[937] What I'm doing is I'm dipping my feet into that wild world and pulling something out of it, and that's where I get all my protein from or all my animal.

[938] protein i don't i love animals i think they're amazing i have cats at home i have dogs it's not a cruelty to animals thing and this is something that i used to think of when i thought of hunters like i saw of some television show where his hunter had a dog and he's petting his dog it's like how's this motherfucker differentiate between this dog and some deer he's going to like shoot his lungs out like how that's kind of fucked up this guy's weird but then i got it like the dog is a killer too man everything Life eats life, and it's not a matter of being cruel.

[939] It's a matter of sustainability and being alive.

[940] Then there's a reality of hunting that not everybody can hunt.

[941] Not everybody has the time, not everybody wants to, especially in the world that we've grown up in with cities and something that took me several years to sort of get into it and really understand what it's all about and educate myself.

[942] And then once I did educate myself, one of the most compelling things was how ignorant most people are about the facts of hunting, about the facts of wildlife, about wildlife management, and about just where their food comes from.

[943] And even about how many animals die making grain.

[944] How many, when people say, you know, I only eat, you know, I only eat quinoa and fucking alfalfa.

[945] Guess what?

[946] That shit's getting chopped up in a combine, and it's chewing up bunnies and fawns and rats and mice and sparrows and ground nesting birds.

[947] And you're removing the habitat when you're growing food like.

[948] that for a lot of different wildlife.

[949] The wildlife gets displaced and the displaced wildlife wind up getting preyed on.

[950] There's a lot of factors involved in gathering food.

[951] And when we're living in cities, we're living in this bizarre natural environment.

[952] And when I say cities are a natural environment, they are a natural environment because they're everywhere.

[953] They're a natural environment for people.

[954] Like anybody says the cities aren't natural man. Well, how come there's so many of them like what is nature what is a beehive is it a beehive nature a beehive is nature right well that's a fucking bee city okay they've created a city they know how to do it they do it everywhere that's the same goddamn thing people do we create these super complicated beehives we call them cities and we create them all over the world it's not like this one city and we're like what the fuck is that the cities are everywhere there are people when people figure shit out and they have electricity and they have agriculture then they have surplus and then they they put up fucking walls and make buildings and then boom we got a city and they're everywhere you look i think i think there's there's just some strange detachment from where our food comes from when it's shipped in and trucks all the time so my um education into the world of hunting a big part of it was like to try to figure out like i i try to figure out bizarre things like things that don't make sense to me i try to figure out.

[955] I try to figure out all sorts of weird misconceptions and misunderstandings.

[956] That's what fascinates me about people that are involved in cults.

[957] It's what fascinates me by people that have bad conceptions or bad thoughts about psychedelics that are untrue.

[958] People think that, you know, certain things are going to make you go crazy and lose your mind.

[959] Well, why is that?

[960] What makes people, oh, well, there's propaganda films from the 1930s.

[961] Well, what started that?

[962] Well, it was a guy named William Randolph Hurst who actually profited from marijuana being illegal like oh okay and you get i'm fascinated by shit like that so the food thing was always fascinating to me like how is how can we just go to a store and you get a piece of meat and we have no idea where the fuck this meat came from we literally just we don't even care we throw it in the supermarket you know throw it in the cart go through the supermarket give that guy a piece of plastic he runs it through the machine and you're out the door right it's strange it's it's it's very odd when that's a piece of life yeah i think about that too but i don't hunt but do you eat meat I do.

[963] I'm guilty, completely.

[964] But it's not guilty.

[965] It's normal to eat meat.

[966] Everybody, like, 90%, this is a fact, of the world eats meat.

[967] Right.

[968] 90, 95, depending on who you ask.

[969] But it's at least 90.

[970] Of the world eats meat.

[971] Even vegetarians, most vegetarians.

[972] Some asshole said to me the other day.

[973] It's hilarious.

[974] He goes, I'm 90 % vegetarian.

[975] And I think, oh, shut the fuck up.

[976] You can't say that.

[977] Yeah, how do you do?

[978] How?

[979] That's not 90 % is vegetarian.

[980] That's not real.

[981] There's no such thing as 90 % vegetarian You are 100 % not vegetarian If you eat meat That's not 90 % vegetarian He's an asshole He's a convenient moral high ground asshole Who's just trying to let everybody know he's better than you Because most of the time he doesn't eat meat Just fuck you Yeah I'll just go ahead and shut the fuck out of my eyes Well he was just trying to be Make an argument against hunting And about people who do it you know it's just he's a fool but it's convenient for people because they're completely detached on a daily basis if you go to your office every day you wake up in the morning you have your breakfast you drive to work you go to work at the end of the day you go to the gym you go home you watch a little television you crash you get up in the morning you do that again you do it five days a week you're left with two fucking days two days Saturday and Sunday if you're lucky and if you have family those days are spoken for if you have friends those days are spoken for if you have hobbies also so where's your gathering food come from so you you have to make a concerted effort if you really want to be a part of this if you really want to deeply understand where your food comes from you have to make a concerted effort to either grow it or acquire it like somehow or another you have to go to a farm and talk to the people that are growing the food and buy it from them go to a farmer's market you can meet them like i go to farmers markets it's kind of cool i like meeting the people that work on the farms i ask them and talk to them about it But the meat thing is the big detachment.

[982] Everybody kind of understands you plant a seed, you water, and a tomato comes out.

[983] They kind of get that.

[984] But the animal part, the vast majority of people eat meat, just do not understand the whole process.

[985] They don't want to know.

[986] They just buy a burger.

[987] Yeah.

[988] I'm starting to know a little bit more, and it freaks me out.

[989] It's a freak out.

[990] But, you know, It's a freak out.

[991] I haven't quite switched over to...

[992] Vegan or going out and hunting?

[993] Yeah, you know.

[994] Well, my thought was I was going to do one or two things.

[995] I was either going to become a vegan or I was going to become a hunter.

[996] And I became a hunter.

[997] Right.

[998] And one of the reasons why I became a hunter is, first of all, the food's delicious.

[999] It's good for you.

[1000] And those animals aren't...

[1001] They're not living forever.

[1002] They're not becoming fairies and curing cancer if you don't shoot them.

[1003] And they're getting eaten by all kinds of shit around them.

[1004] You're just eating them as well.

[1005] it's um it's it's a weird disconnect that we have about where food comes from and life itself like life is not permanent it's it's temporary it's here and it's gone it's fleeting it should be respected you know it should be and i think one of the best ways to respect these animals and it sounds like totally totally counterintuitive but is to hunt them and eat them they become a part of your life they sustain you they you know you have a deep approach appreciation for them because they literally sustain you they're part of what makes you live yeah that's that's real yeah but you live in texas a lot of hunting and in austin when you were living there yeah uh a lot of my friends you know they hunt so you know they're big on it um did you ever want to go with them i i did but i had a i had a couple of experiences with guns when I was younger that kind of freaked me out from from that one of them was me being a kid and I was had a like a play gun and I kind of colored the red like kid safety thing you know yeah me and my buddy so he had just like daisy rifle I had this little like I don't remember what it was but so we're just like we're just messing around you know acting like kids and then this guy comes driving and we point the gun at it and this guy swerves off the road hits a mailbox like crashes his car gets out he's like what the fuck are you guys doing you know i'm nine you know what the fuck are you doing you could have killed somebody what the fuck blah blah we're just like toys you know what i mean and and his mom comes out freaking out and they didn't know that we did it my pops was like you know you got understand this you know life death here this is serious you got to understand this guy didn't know that you're playing web so it kind of freaked me out and then um I went on one hunting trip and I had 22 and it kicked me in the shoulder pretty good a 22 kicked you yeah I'm not 12 gauge yeah okay so yeah yeah kicked me and I was like what oh yeah no pussy that's like say man I shot the slingshot one time yeah broke my hand up me up.

[1006] No, no. Yeah, it's about the 12 -gauge eye, and it kicked me pretty hard.

[1007] So I just kind of lost interest, but, you know, that was a long -ass time ago.

[1008] Suzanne from Honey Honey -Honey wants to go pig -hunting.

[1009] She's so down.

[1010] She keeps bringing it up.

[1011] She's like, when are we going, Joe Rogan?

[1012] When are we going pig -hunting?

[1013] She's totally down to do it.

[1014] Yeah, definitely.

[1015] You know?

[1016] Yeah, my boy, Mike Wheat, that's what he does all the time.

[1017] It was outside of a little outside of Austin.

[1018] He's always gone sending me phone.

[1019] about sending me videos.

[1020] Well, in Austin, like outside of Texas, they have a giant problem with pigs.

[1021] Yeah, they have to hunt them.

[1022] Yeah, you can go to town on them.

[1023] They're everywhere.

[1024] They have no limits.

[1025] You can do it.

[1026] They do them from helicopters.

[1027] I mean, they have a whole business called hella hunting where they take people up in helicopters and they're shooting pigs because it's the only way to eradicate them from farms because there's so many of them.

[1028] And they do billions of dollars worth of damage just in Texas in crop destruction every year.

[1029] they're wild I mean there's not there's not enough mountain lions and there's no wolves to kill them I didn't realize they were so dangerous oh they're very dangerous the big ones especially they'll fuck you up that's what I heard that's also why I don't go out there yeah they'll fuck you up they killed the dad in Game of Thrones right the first king the original king the one who her husband the chick who was fucking her brother in the Game of Thrones the hot blonde lady her husband died because he got killed by a pig.

[1030] Wait, is this in the show?

[1031] I don't know.

[1032] The show, Game of Thrones.

[1033] Not in real life he didn't die.

[1034] I mean, in the movie, he died from a wild boar.

[1035] But they get fucking big, too.

[1036] Yeah, I don't know.

[1037] I mean, a 400 -pound wild hog is not uncommon.

[1038] That's real.

[1039] Yeah, I've never seen one in real life.

[1040] They're crazy looking.

[1041] They're all black, and they have long snouts, and their tusks come out.

[1042] They have these white tusks.

[1043] Like when you see one in real life, you're like, oh, you hear him in real life?

[1044] First time I ever went pig hunting.

[1045] I was with my friend Steve Ronella and we're on this farm or this ranch that's not far away from here.

[1046] It's huge.

[1047] Biggest ranch in California, 270 ,000 acres.

[1048] It's called Tihon Ranch.

[1049] And we were walking down this road and we heard some snaps and some noises in the bushes.

[1050] Like it's a really thick brush.

[1051] And then we heard these pigs fighting with each other.

[1052] And they were like demons, man. It's like, wah.

[1053] And they're like, no more than 30 yards, 20 yards away from us.

[1054] They're like right there.

[1055] And they're duking it out.

[1056] And they're like, these are monsters, man. They sound like monsters.

[1057] They freak me out.

[1058] More than hunting bears, more than hunting elk.

[1059] Not more than elk.

[1060] Elks is probably the biggest freak out because they scream.

[1061] They bugle.

[1062] And they're like a thousand pounds.

[1063] And they're like majestic.

[1064] Like they have trees growing out of their head.

[1065] These giant antlers.

[1066] Yeah.

[1067] Did you see the antlers that are in the front?

[1068] They're over by the front door.

[1069] when you walked in, that's elk.

[1070] That's like a thousand pound animal with these gigantic animals.

[1071] I mean, they're immense, immense, majestic animals.

[1072] Those are the biggest freakouts just because you feel like you're hunting some mystical creature.

[1073] Where do you find those?

[1074] Those were in Tihon Ranch, too.

[1075] One of them was.

[1076] One of those was from Tihon Ranch.

[1077] One of them was from Colorado.

[1078] Yeah.

[1079] Crazy.

[1080] But the pig thing is, it's actually, look at that fucking thing.

[1081] Look at that fucking thing.

[1082] 11 -year -old hunter bags a 1 ,050 -pound wild boar What the fuck?

[1083] Just what the fuck?

[1084] First of all, with a pistol.

[1085] This is a perspective shot, which is actually kind of important because, like, that boy is way behind that thing.

[1086] He's not, like, right next to it.

[1087] So if he's behind it by just, you know, six or seven feet and the camera's on the ground, they're shooting at eye level, it makes it look a lot bigger than it really is.

[1088] That's how they do it.

[1089] um so but a thousand pounds is a fucking thousand pounds that's a giant ass pig have you ever seen hogzilla have i seen it have you seen the images of hogsilla have you heard of this this is like one of the biggest wild pigs that was ever killed it was uh i believe it was in georgia yeah is that did they have a photo of hogzilla there's one where it's hanging there that one right there jamie look at the size of the one that's hanging next to this guy look at the fucking size of that thing so that's not a perspective shot that guy's standing right next to that thing yeah what first of all are those his balls up atop because if that's his balls respect that's that's that's a crazy sack that's like a couple of watermelons in an old lady's panty house yeah that's what it's a giant fucking giant balls how big was it over a thousand pounds yeah not yeah Yeah, wildly considered widely, originally it was widely considered a hoax.

[1090] Hmm.

[1091] Well, they, what happens is they take, domestic pigs are one of the few animals that morph automatically when they get out into the wild.

[1092] Like if you have a pig and he's your buddy and you let them loose out in the forest, they change physically.

[1093] Their nose gets longer, their hair gets shaggyer, and their teeth grow longer, their tusks grow, and their behavior changes.

[1094] They go feral, and they go feral really quickly.

[1095] I think within like a couple of months They start physical transformation I didn't know that Yeah They're a weird animal Like wild boars and wild pigs Like when you see a wild boar like dark hair Thick scruffy And then you see a pig like at a farm Same species Same animal Which is fucking nuts It's all one genus It's called Sue Scropha That's the type of animal it is And they can interbreed with each other They're the same thing and that's why when you go see wild pigs like domestic pigs they get loose and they become feral and then they start breeding in the wild they're black they're black they have a thick thick coat around where their neck area is because they fight and they tear each other apart so all around like from their face down to like where their heart is on their chest is this super thick thick hide like the thickest fuck like a shoe like the bottom of a shoe it's incredible how thick it is so people that hunt them you have to be careful like with bows and arrows that you don't hit them in that area because like if you have a weak bow and you're not pulling back a lot of weight with a really sharp arrow it won't even go through them do you use a bow sometimes yeah man I had no idea there's this girl she works at this hat shop and I walked in and she's got this pet fucking pigs so I could just imagine that thing like getting loose for a couple of months like have you seen my was it a pot belly pig one of those little ones uh yeah is that the same deal no i don't think so i think pot belly pigs are like uh like a chihuahua you know a chihuahua the reality of domestic dogs is that domestic dogs all share uh genetics with a wolf which means somehow or another we don't exactly know how they did it but through selective breeding a wolf became a chihuahua yeah You know, I was having this conversation with putting in Australia about how a chihuahua became a chihuahua.

[1096] What did he say?

[1097] Magic.

[1098] We didn't know.

[1099] Oh.

[1100] We were just like, that's how fucking crazy is it.

[1101] Well, there's no clear map.

[1102] It's not like, you know, like a liger.

[1103] You know what a liger is?

[1104] Like a lion mates with a tiger.

[1105] It makes a liger.

[1106] Which is badass.

[1107] Yeah, pretty badass.

[1108] Well, they also, they're so big because they want to, it's either a maceer.

[1109] I think it's a male lion and a female tiger or maybe a male tiger and a female line.

[1110] But it has to be that specific combination.

[1111] And what happens is when that combination takes place, they don't receive the gene that regulates size.

[1112] So they keep growing.

[1113] Yeah.

[1114] They're sort of enormous.

[1115] They're way bigger than a lion and way bigger than a tiger.

[1116] Like Ligers are enormous.

[1117] They don't even seem real.

[1118] That's why they were Napoleon Dynamite's favorite animal.

[1119] Yeah.

[1120] Classic, by the way.

[1121] But see, that makes sense, right?

[1122] A lion mates with a tiger, you can see that they have similarities in their features.

[1123] Gotcha.

[1124] But Chihuahuas and all domestic dogs, we don't really know.

[1125] There's a lot of speculation, and they believe that wolves became friendly with people because we're feeding them, and then they become more docile.

[1126] There was a radio lab podcast that talked about breeding foxes.

[1127] And within a decade, they had killed, they were breeding foxes and they would kill any fox that showed any sort of aggression or any, and that was trying to be dominant, or the growl at people, any, any unfavorable characteristics they killed them.

[1128] And within 10 years, the genes changed to the point where all the foxes had droopy ears, their jaws became less masculine, they became smaller, their behavior completely changed.

[1129] they all became like a domestic pet.

[1130] Within 10 years.

[1131] They literally became a different thing.

[1132] And so the thought is that this is what happened with wolves and that wolves being around campfires with people, like primitive primitive primitive people, tens and 20 ,000, 40 ,000 years ago, that we slowly but surely started having relationships of these animals where they would protect us from the other wolves because we would feed them.

[1133] And so they would become more docile and more dependent upon us.

[1134] so they would be they would give in you know they would they would be submissive to us and so their ears started to flop like a dog's ear and you know they became less aggressive they would respond to people you could train them and teach them to hunt with you because they got a reward out of being a part of the community of people and then you would raise them from the time they were puppies and they'd be even more inclined to go like that so someone would find wolf puppies and raise them so they would imprint on people and be even more likely to exhibit those behaviors Yeah, but what kind of people you're hanging out with will become a chihuahua?

[1135] Gay folk.

[1136] Mostly.

[1137] Some Mexicans.

[1138] I think chihuahuas are just, it's just like thousands of years of that shit.

[1139] Yeah.

[1140] You know, only selecting the smaller ones, only selecting the most docile, the most diminutive features.

[1141] It's a good question, though.

[1142] Yeah.

[1143] You know, when you get freaky with it.

[1144] The real argument is that it's very similar, in fact, to human beings.

[1145] Human beings are the only animals that vary as much in their appearance as dogs.

[1146] Like, you got Shaquille O 'Neal and you got Bridget the Midget.

[1147] Those are both humans, right?

[1148] How is Bridget the Midget or any, or Brad Williams, how is anybody who's got dwarfism?

[1149] How are they different than an English bulldog?

[1150] Right?

[1151] Yeah.

[1152] In a way, I mean, it's some sort of a strange change in the body.

[1153] And I don't mean this in any disrespectful way.

[1154] I'm just trying to be completely objective about the physical form of these people.

[1155] You know, I'm not saying that people purposely make dwarfs.

[1156] But I'm saying that the physical characteristics, the differences in an English bulldog and a wolf.

[1157] And that's very like the difference in Carl Malone and Brad Williams.

[1158] I mean, those are both humans and they both could impregnate the same woman.

[1159] Like, if a woman had a baby with Carl Malone and then a woman had a baby with a dwarf, like, right afterwards, she still, I mean, she can get pregnant from both of them and have a baby from both of them.

[1160] And potentially the same genetic characteristics could be passed down, a little less likely with the dwarf, but, I mean, it's incredible.

[1161] When you think about the variation of human beings, we can get a little, a tiny, like, a 90 -pound Asian lady, and then you can have Serena Williams, this super athlete with giant muscles.

[1162] just ridiculous, explosive ability.

[1163] Well, they're both female humans.

[1164] You know, it's sort of like a golden lab and a Rottweiler.

[1165] There's both dogs, but they're massively different characteristics.

[1166] Right.

[1167] And that's why, like, really nutty conspiracy people believe that human beings are created by aliens, and that there's much in the same way that human beings engineered dogs and changed the shape and selectively bred them to the point where they became these little chihuahuas, that that's what aliens did with human beings.

[1168] They came down, they found some chimpanzees and some lower hominids and started injecting their DNA into them and slowly but surely created a series of different styles of human being.

[1169] I've heard this before.

[1170] But with the dog comparison, yeah.

[1171] Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know either.

[1172] I don't buy the alien thing.

[1173] I think it's much more likely.

[1174] It was just different, climates and different parts of the world that were isolated from each other and so i think i think it's like you know built bread adapt to your situation yeah sure yeah no doubt you know i mean there's there's characteristics that animals exhibit that similar animals and other uh other climates don't like african elephants for example they have enormous ears because it displaces heat large surface areas displace heat better That's also why a lot of African men are very tall, very tall and long, because it's easier to displace heat over a large surface area.

[1175] Right.

[1176] Yeah.

[1177] So, like, Asian elephants have different ears than African elephants do.

[1178] Right.

[1179] Willie mammoths have much smaller ears because they were dealing with cold, cold climates.

[1180] Whereas elephants, you know, in Africa, when they're in the hot savannas, they have these giant -ass fucking ears.

[1181] That makes sense.

[1182] I mean, I mean, speaking from...

[1183] Myself, my personal experience, I'm definitely much better off in warmer climates than I am in the cold mountains.

[1184] Are you?

[1185] Yeah.

[1186] Do you feel it?

[1187] Can't do it, man. Can't do it?

[1188] Can't do it.

[1189] Don't you get used to it, though?

[1190] I mean, no. No?

[1191] No, no, no. You just feel it in your bones.

[1192] Yeah, I don't like it.

[1193] I'm like, I don't like this.

[1194] I need to get away from this.

[1195] You know, like, if it's hot, I'm like, okay, it's cool.

[1196] I can have it, you know.

[1197] But not.

[1198] Cold is like, eh, eh, eh, and.

[1199] Yeah, get away.

[1200] Well, also growing up in Austin, where it gets hot as fuck.

[1201] Yeah, definitely.

[1202] So, yeah, I did the New York thing.

[1203] Couldn't deal with the winners.

[1204] No, dude.

[1205] No. The look at your face?

[1206] Well, because I'm thinking about all the times where I busted ass and, you know, sort of like walking across the street and I step in what I think is snow and it's like underneath is, like a foot of water and, you know, I'm just walking around and, you know, I've got one wet foot and I'm supposed to be going to some fucking event or something.

[1207] I go to dinner or do whatever.

[1208] I just, I can't, I can't do it.

[1209] I mean, I can, you know, I don't want to sound like a pussy or anything, but I can't do it.

[1210] Well, you can, but you don't want to.

[1211] There it is.

[1212] I don't want to.

[1213] Yeah.

[1214] I fucking don't want to.

[1215] Why should you have to?

[1216] I don't.

[1217] That's why I mean.

[1218] There's options.

[1219] Exactly.

[1220] Like if the whole world was New York.

[1221] city you could do it you could do it it's definitely better than not living oh that's true that's very true i could do it but you know that there's a better spot right i could adapt if i didn't know any better i could adapt but here you are in the best spot exactly when it comes to weather nobody could fuck with l. that's true that's very true that's why there's so many of us that's why jamie's here look at him he's like he's from columbus ohio really yeah Columbus ohio gives new york city the eight out and the brakes as far as a shittiness.

[1222] The what?

[1223] That's a pool term.

[1224] What did you say?

[1225] It's a spot.

[1226] It's a spot.

[1227] Like if you're playing 10 ball, you give some of the eight out and the breaks, that means if they win, they can win if they make the eight ball, the nine ball, or the 10 ball.

[1228] And they could break every time.

[1229] That's the eight out in the breaks.

[1230] That's a considerable, it's a considerable handicap.

[1231] Gotcha.

[1232] I play a pull a little bit, but I don't know.

[1233] Colom.

[1234] I've been to Columbus before.

[1235] I've got this cool little venue I play.

[1236] at.

[1237] Columbus is great.

[1238] Yeah.

[1239] It's nice.

[1240] It's a great town.

[1241] They're cool people there, man. It's a fun, it's a fun town.

[1242] I like Columbus a lot.

[1243] I haven't spent a lot of time there, but you definitely had a good time.

[1244] I haven't been there since I shot my special there in 2009.

[1245] That's what dick I am.

[1246] Where was that?

[1247] Southern Theater.

[1248] Once at the palace, I think.

[1249] That's right.

[1250] That's right.

[1251] Jamie knows my schedule better than me. That's right when I started working with.

[1252] That's ridiculous, Jamie.

[1253] How do you know this?

[1254] And I don't know this.

[1255] That was like 2000.

[1256] 2011 or 12 right 2012 yeah Columbus is a cool town that's like my favorite town in uh in Ohio Where else is there in Ohio like did you Cleveland Cleveland's not bad Cleveland's fun Cincinnati's fun but Cincinnati they bullshit you They give the Cincinnati airport in Kentucky I don't like that why why because it's insecure so the Kentucky people are insecure they should call the fucking Kentucky airport because that's what it is god damn it don't let those Cincinnati assholes claim your city wait but how does that even exactly the cincinnati airport is actually in kentucky but to get people to fly into kentucky is problematic because people have they have massive prejudice against kentucky man it just sounds like hillbillies whereas cincinnati is like wkrp you know it's like lani and fucking everybody's having a good time right you know Cincinnati sounds like a nice city right Well, it's fucking right next door to Kentucky, so close that you land in Kentucky, and then you drive to Cincinnati.

[1257] So they name the fucking Cincinnati airport, this Kentucky airport.

[1258] That's pretty good.

[1259] That's a pretty good one.

[1260] Sneaky.

[1261] Sneaky motherfuckers.

[1262] They did it for people like us.

[1263] I'm never going to go to Kentucky.

[1264] The motherfuckers got me. I swore I'd never come in this place.

[1265] But meanwhile, there's like Louisville, where everybody goes.

[1266] Like, it doesn't make any sense.

[1267] Yeah.

[1268] You know, the Kentucky Derby's in Louisville, right?

[1269] Yeah, see?

[1270] That's like a...

[1271] Everybody goes there.

[1272] But it's one of those quaint southern destinations, you know?

[1273] I like the word quaint.

[1274] Mm. Me too.

[1275] Yeah.

[1276] I spent a little bit of time running around there.

[1277] I found, like, the...

[1278] It's the wildest crowds and kind of, like, in that area.

[1279] Really?

[1280] For me, I think.

[1281] That's interesting.

[1282] Performing.

[1283] I wonder why that is?

[1284] Booze.

[1285] Ah, I think Yeah I mean, Boots happens everywhere But I feel like Yeah People really have a good time Well, when I started going on the road a lot In the 90s Is when I really understood NASCAR Like I never got NASCAR I'm like, who the fuck is watching this?

[1286] It's not that I didn't like car racing It's like, who the fuck is watching these people Go around in a circle And then I would see how big it was I would read statistics I was like, bullshit These fucking statistics are all made up No one's watching this and then I did a radio station I want to say it was in Atlanta I don't remember where it was but I remember it was in the South and the guy was like did you see the race this weekend man Dale Juniors really fucking putting it to them I was like what are you talking about and like NASCAR Tony Stewart and he starts like naming all these people I'm like I don't know who the fuck you're talking about and he was flabbergasted that I didn't know who these NASCAR people were and then I didn't know who won the fucking Tala Cuscaloosa 5 -5 -60 or whatever the fuck name of the race it was he was flabbergasted and I was like how many people know so then we had people call in like that knew a lot about NASCAR while I was on the air I was like you guys know a lot about NASCAR how many people oh hell yeah we watch it every weekend and they're like going crazy about NASCAR I was like oh okay so this is a geographical cultural thing that I'm just not privy to I just don't understand it yeah we got a little bit of taste of that in Texas kind of bled over a little bit but austin has a formula one race that's very new but oh is it yeah how old is that well i guess i don't know new enough yeah a few years of past i guess but it's the yeah the f1 uh that's the shit man that's a different kind of racing that's my style of racing i love watching formula one because it's turns and craziness and strategy and you know that's that seems like some crazy shit yeah i could get more into that but yeah i didn't know shit about nascar either yeah you know but you know different thing that's definitely a cultural deal i was driving through you know Alabama and you know the south and everything and it's there's you know uh tracks and everything you know for amateurs and it's just like a big culture i guess yeah it's a big deal for those folks and they say that all came out of souping up their cars for moonshine runs i can believe it yeah makes sense right get in get out of there yeah get this money get this exchange which all came from the same thing that we're dealing with with with psychedelics suppression right i mean suppression creates diamonds i mean that's that's what created that kind of racing is people trying to figure out a way to get the fuck away from cops so they made cars that drove faster handled better and they could just get away from cops that was the whole dukes of hazard that's why they had the general lee they weren't involved in races they were running away from cops right they had some crazy souped up fucking that's why they couldn't have guns they always had bows and arrows because the cops had taken their their ability to have a firearm away when you're a felon in this country you can't own a gun anymore right understand a little bit but this podcast turned weird right yeah it was a weird one a little bit it's a good one though man yeah so where are you performing next and now how can people see you where can they find out um we're performing doing something for the grammies oh cool when was that um the 15th February we're doing a tribute to legendary BB King beautiful Chris Stapleton and Bonnie Wright I wouldn't be doing what I was doing if it weren't for guys like BB King you know so it'll be cool to to be able to show him some love there.

[1287] And then we just hit the road, man. We're going everywhere.

[1288] Your website?

[1289] Yeah, Gary Clark Jr .com.

[1290] And you're active on Twitter.

[1291] I see you're on Twitter all the time.

[1292] A little bit.

[1293] A little bit?

[1294] I'm not as active as people say I should be.

[1295] When are you going to be in this area where I can come see you, man?

[1296] Where are you going to be?

[1297] Is there anything on there?

[1298] Does it say anything there about California?

[1299] Yeah, we'll be doing Coachella.

[1300] That's about it.

[1301] Last time we did three nights at the Fonda in December, so we kind of...

[1302] At the what?

[1303] At the Fonda.

[1304] Oh, Henry, where's that?

[1305] Hollywood.

[1306] Okay.

[1307] So, yeah, we did that one.

[1308] I think we're not going to be around here for a little while.

[1309] Well, listen, man, anything you got going on, anything.

[1310] If you ever want it promoted, you need any help tweeting it, and come on here.

[1311] Anytime you want, you've got an open invite.

[1312] Thanks, man. I'm happy you're in our town here.

[1313] Yeah.

[1314] And I hope you enjoy it and extend you as much.

[1315] hospitality as possible.

[1316] I appreciate it.

[1317] And I'm a big fan, man. I love your music.

[1318] I listen to it.

[1319] I was listening to it on the way over here, man. I'll show you.

[1320] Check this show.

[1321] Likewise, man. I've been following you for a long time.

[1322] Look at that.

[1323] There it is.

[1324] That's my playlist on the way over here, sir.

[1325] Appreciate it.

[1326] So much love, sir, and respect.

[1327] Gary Clark, Jr., ladies and gentlemen.

[1328] Yes, sir?

[1329] Yeah.

[1330] We'll be back tomorrow with Tom Papa.

[1331] See you soon.

[1332] Much love.

[1333] Bye -bye.

[1334] Big kiss.