#1699 - Meghan Murphy

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[3] Hello.

[4] Hi.

[5] Welcome.

[6] Thank you.

[7] Thanks for doing this.

[8] Appreciate it.

[9] Yeah, yeah.

[10] Very nice to meet you.

[11] It's great to meet you.

[12] I'm really excited to be here.

[13] We've talked about you eight or ten times.

[14] I know.

[15] It drives me crazy.

[16] Does it?

[17] I'm like, I want to talk, too.

[18] What is your impression of the way people are interpreting what happened to you?

[19] Well, I was really frustrated when Jack, and I don't know how to say her name properly, and I'm going to muck it up.

[20] Jack and the head of safety.

[21] Vidja, is that I say it?

[22] Vidja, yes.

[23] Let's tell people the story what happened.

[24] Okay.

[25] You want some of this?

[26] Yes.

[27] Okay, so let me, this is my favorite booze and not just my favorite Mexican booze, my all -time favorite booze.

[28] And nobody likes it except for me. So even in Seulita, which is, oh.

[29] This is where I'm living now.

[30] I just outed myself.

[31] We could edit it out if you want.

[32] No, no, that's cool.

[33] That's cool.

[34] Because I also...

[35] No, that's cool.

[36] Leave it in.

[37] Okay, but this is like a sipping drink.

[38] So be very, like, reserved.

[39] A sipping drink.

[40] Yeah, like, don't take a big gulp.

[41] Yo!

[42] This is Mexican moonshine.

[43] Yeah, it's Mexican moonshine.

[44] Wow.

[45] So it's from the agave plant, which is, like, the same...

[46] you like it hard lady this is hard stuff I really like it and I don't know what's wrong with me honestly because it's not like I love hard alcohol makes you feel warm inside though right yeah for sure if that's your reaction I can only imagine what it is like it's 40 % alcohol you should try yeah what is that 80 proof that's 80 proof right isn't it like double yeah but the percent isn't is that how it works yeah right that's what that moonshine was we used to drink I think oh it is it's It's literally moonshine.

[47] You want to try it?

[48] You should try it.

[49] I just want to see your reaction.

[50] I love, like I love forcing people to try it and then seeing what they do.

[51] Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[52] Calm down.

[53] Oh, you got a cheers, Jamie.

[54] We all cheers.

[55] You're welcome.

[56] Thank you.

[57] That was a joke.

[58] Holy.

[59] Yeah, right?

[60] It smells like you're going to clean something.

[61] Yeah.

[62] Something bad, like blood.

[63] This is how we stay healthy in Mexico.

[64] Oh, okay.

[65] I guess it works.

[66] I can't even drink it.

[67] It's too, like, I just took a sniff as I was going to go up and like a, it's rough.

[68] It's like three times of tequila shot.

[69] It feels like in one.

[70] Yeah, it's exactly what it's.

[71] What is it called?

[72] I believe you.

[73] I would say it's an acquired taste, but I loved it immediately.

[74] Estancia?

[75] Okay, so it's from, it's specific to the region.

[76] So I live in Seulita because I ran away from China.

[77] I mean, Canada.

[78] But, like, so it's like an hour away from Porta Veritam.

[79] And it's in the state of Nairite.

[80] So this booze is specific to that state.

[81] And, yeah, it's not like, like, I don't love, like, chugging vodka or gin or anything like that.

[82] Like, I do, like, scotch and whiskey and whatever.

[83] Right.

[84] But for whatever reason, I really love this.

[85] And everyone else thinks I'm, like, a psychopath.

[86] Because I'll be, like, try it.

[87] It's the best.

[88] And they're like, why are you feeding?

[89] me gasoline.

[90] Like what the fuck is wrong with you?

[91] Maybe it represents like change to you, you know?

[92] Because it's like you're in this new place and you got fed up with these draconian Vancouver or Canadian restrictions.

[93] And you're just like, ah!

[94] And I was like I'm going to go get wasted in Mexico and live my life.

[95] I actually genuinely like, I find it sweet.

[96] This stuff.

[97] Sweet.

[98] This is not.

[99] Did you also find it sweet?

[100] it's rugged i took a couple of six a couple of sips and i'm lit i can't my eyes are watering i know i have to be careful because i'll get drunk you didn't drink it at all i can't i can't i will vomit probably i'll just spit it out so i don't want to do it so you let's go to your story okay explain to everybody what happened with you okay um i mean i'm not sure how about how far back you want me to start let's how you getting kicked off twitter let's okay so i mean i was one of the only people in Canada who was talking about gender identity critically.

[101] I'm not saying that to big myself up.

[102] It was very annoying because I obviously was like targeted.

[103] So there was Jordan Peterson who spoke out and then there was me and then there was like a couple other people and I was pretty vocal about it.

[104] I first started talking about it back in like 2016, 2017 because the liberal government was pushing through Bill C -16, which was our gender identity legislation.

[105] So they were, they were trying to, and succeeded in, because the bill passed, incorporate gender identity into the human rights code and the criminal code.

[106] And I went and testified against that bill to say like this bill shouldn't pass.

[107] It'll have a negative impact on women's rights, which of course it did.

[108] For people who don't know what the bill, what it means, could you explain what it means?

[109] Because some folks aren't hip to the argument.

[110] Right.

[111] Sorry.

[112] And And also that Canada, we should explain, Canada is not a First Amendment.

[113] So you don't have freedom of speech over there.

[114] You have a human rights counsel, right?

[115] And then if laws violate, if rather some of your speech violates the laws that they put in place, you can literally be arrested.

[116] Yeah, you can, you go through a human rights tribunal.

[117] And so, I mean, the law didn't actually, it was very vague.

[118] Like, it didn't specifically say, for example, you know, if you misgender somebody that's a hate crime or hate speech or something like that, all it did was to say that gender identity and gender expression essentially needed to be protected under the law just like whatever race, other sort of marginalized identities or whatever.

[119] And what we thought would happen, which did happen, is that it would sort of direct.

[120] policy.

[121] And it would mean that, you know, anybody could use any bathroom or change room.

[122] It would mean that men would have to be allowed in transition houses and women's shelters if they identified as women.

[123] It would mean that men could be transferred to female prisons if they identified as women.

[124] Essentially, like, to me, the concept of gender identity nullifies sex.

[125] Like, you can't have both.

[126] You can't say either you are a woman and you're a woman because you're female or you identify as a woman you can't you can't do both and then anybody of course can identify as a woman um i'm sort of going about this a long way but um yeah i was just worried about the implications uh i testified at the senate jordan peterson testified are you okay yeah just and so essentially like I was the loudest feminist voice in Canada by far and I was tweeting about these issues I was asking questions about gender identity I was sort of saying like what does this mean like I said one of the tweets that I my account was locked down for was what's the difference between a man and a trans woman and I wasn't saying that to try to be rude right um i was saying like somebody please explain what happens to a man between him being a man and then him being a trans woman do you know what i mean like if he hasn't had any surgeries or anything like that not that i think that a surgery can change your sex but like what is it so now yesterday he was a man today he identifies as a woman or a trans woman what's happened here what does this mean like it was just so nonsensical it's just a belief system right it can get even worse right but you can decide to go back and forth throughout the day yeah i mean people have they've allowed that this is this is also accepted like you you can be gender fluid and you can be gender fluid depending upon your mood multiple times a day right and yeah and that's what the concept of gender identity does it's just an identity It's just something you say.

[127] Right.

[128] Like, it could be something you feel, but it's just a proclamation.

[129] There's no material reality involved.

[130] There's nothing concrete.

[131] There's nothing you can point to.

[132] You know, essentially, like, it's akin to a religion as far as I'm concerned.

[133] It's faith -based, right?

[134] So, you know, I feel like these laws are, in a way, sort of enforcing religion on people.

[135] Like, it's like they're enforcing this, like, faith -based...

[136] Woke religion.

[137] Yeah.

[138] Yeah.

[139] Yeah, a lot of ways.

[140] I mean, you could call it progressive, but it's, of course, not progressive.

[141] It's just weird and nonsensical and has a terrible impact on women.

[142] But so one of the tweets that I was locked down for was that one.

[143] You know, what's the difference between a man and a trans woman?

[144] Just a question.

[145] Yeah.

[146] And so they suspended you for that.

[147] So they, yeah, they locked down my account and they're like, you have to delete this tweet if you want your account back.

[148] I appealed it.

[149] It was every time I've appealed anything, it's just been totally ignored.

[150] They don't explain why.

[151] They never tell me what rules I break either or did break, right?

[152] Like, they never said, they say hateful conduct, but they don't say, oh, it's the specific rule.

[153] Like, you're not allowed to misgender or a dead name or whatever it would be.

[154] I mean, I don't even know what rule that would break saying, like, what's the difference being a man and a trans one?

[155] The other tweet, of course, was men aren't women, which wasn't targeted at anybody.

[156] I wasn't saying, you're not a woman.

[157] it was like part of a thread it was part of a conversation that was back and forth and I was like but men aren't women that was one of them that got me locked down again and then we're literally like denying biology I mean so what I think I don't know because again no one's really explained anything to me no one from Twitter has communicated with me no one said what I did wrong so I'm just guessing can I tell you what they said?

[158] Yeah they said that you were told to delete the tweet but you took a screenshot of it and you deleted it but then reposted the screenshot I did do that I didn't know that I wasn't allowed to do that when I did that so I wasn't trying to be a dick like I wasn't trying to be like fuck you I was so mad I was like are you fucking serious like I got banned for saying like men aren't women for asking these really basic questions that was their justification to me as to why they banned you for the rest of your life well fair fair fucking bananas There's the example that I bring up when I talk about this idea that you can just ban people for saying things that are factually correct, maybe politically insensitive, you know, dependent upon the current climate, but factually correct, biologically correct, scientifically correct.

[159] Maybe you might say that it's not kind.

[160] But what is wrong with being, are we really deciding that there's certain rules that we want to?

[161] apply in regards to progressive thinking that bypass or supersede biology?

[162] Is that what we're doing?

[163] Because when you say a man, if you say a man is never a woman, that's what you said?

[164] Men aren't women.

[165] Men aren't women.

[166] That's a fact.

[167] Men are not women.

[168] Now, I believe in trans women.

[169] I think there are people that have gendered dysphoria.

[170] And I think there are people that are happier if they identify as a woman, dress as a woman, are treated like a woman, or, you know, use a woman's name and people describe them as a woman.

[171] It's obviously real, right?

[172] They obviously exist.

[173] I think, I mean, sure, like I could buy that there's such a thing as gender dysphoria.

[174] So you have some kind of like mental condition or mental illness.

[175] I'm not trying to be mean, I swear to God.

[176] Like people get like triggered if you say like a mental illness.

[177] But I'm like, you literally think you're something that you're not.

[178] Like you literally believe you're a male, you actually believe you're a woman.

[179] That's a form of mental illness.

[180] Fine.

[181] It doesn't mean you're a bad person.

[182] And I don't care.

[183] If you want to dress in women's clothes, if you want to wear makeup, if you want to get cosmetic surgeries, if you want to change your name, go for it.

[184] Like, do whatever makes you feel better.

[185] That's fine.

[186] But I'm not going to lie to comfort you or whomever else.

[187] so I don't even agree that like gender dysphoria means there's such a thing as a trans woman like to me I'm still like this concept doesn't make any sense what's a trans woman like what does it mean do you have to be on hormones do you have to have a bunch of surgeries do you have to have like a neo vagina it's weird because it's very strict that you must accept that people are trans women but then like what defines a trans woman is completely open to interpretation it's It's the person who decides, whatever identity they identify with, male, female, whatever it is, it's up to them.

[188] It's up to them whether they have surgery.

[189] It's up to them, whether they take hormones.

[190] It's up to them, whatever.

[191] You can do absolutely nothing.

[192] You could have a full beard and say you're a woman with a penis, functional testicles, no problem at all.

[193] And you could say you're a woman and everyone has to agree.

[194] Speaking of which, the final tweet that I was actually banned for, so they locked me down for those two things, right?

[195] And then the final straw for them was when I said, yeah, it's him, in reference to Jessica Yaniv, who was once Jonathan.

[196] If you recall, he was the man in Vancouver who was going around to local estheticians and asking them to give him a Brazilian bikini wax.

[197] Yeah.

[198] And he is fully a man. I mean fully man intact testicles intact penis yeah everything I mean beard and also a crazy person and a major fucking creep like and he's messaging these women on face Facebook um I think sometimes under like a fake photo and name so maybe with like a woman's photo and woman's name that's not him and then they would realize that he was a man I guess maybe if they talk to him on the phone or something like that and they'd be like no sorry like we don't offer this service to men and he would accuse him of transphobia and essentially try to extort money out of them.

[199] And when that didn't work, I guess he decided he wanted to, I mean, again, he's a crazy person.

[200] So we can't take this as representative of very much other than the fact that he's like a grifter and a crazy person.

[201] But, you know, to take them all to the human rights tribunal to say he's being discriminated against.

[202] But this is exactly, exactly the perfect example of what happens if you just say anybody is a woman and you just have to accept it.

[203] He has a penis.

[204] He has balls.

[205] He obviously looks like a man. At that time, he was still using his male name in various places, like on Facebook, some other places.

[206] I think on Twitter at that time, he was maybe using both names.

[207] But there was nothing to show me that he was a woman.

[208] So I said, yeah, it's him.

[209] I figured out that it was him.

[210] And then I was permanently banned.

[211] Yeah, and that was in November.

[212] and that was it.

[213] I appealed.

[214] They were like, nope, sorry, hateful conduct.

[215] Again, didn't tell me what rule I broke.

[216] 20 minutes after I was banned.

[217] I was banned on Friday night.

[218] I was at the bar.

[219] I was like, what the fuck?

[220] I'm trying to have fun.

[221] 20 minutes after I was banned, pink news, which is like a, like, LGBT queer news site, they post an article saying Twitter has a new rule against misgendering and dead naming.

[222] And I I was like, oh, this is a really funny coincidence that this went out 20 minutes after I was banned for some rule that they didn't specify, but I can only assume was misgendering.

[223] Yeah.

[224] Misgendering, a man who's a predator and who was still going by his male name in various places on the internet.

[225] Whoops.

[226] So, I mean, he should have been banned too for misgendering himself.

[227] Good point.

[228] Thank you.

[229] It's just so weird, because it's the one area that there's no room for, there's no room for interpretation.

[230] There's no room for debate or nuance.

[231] It's just like, you cannot misgender, you cannot dead name, you cannot, like.

[232] And you're cruel and horrible if you do.

[233] Yeah, they're cruel and horrible to you.

[234] Well, yeah, I mean, the things that people aren't banned for on Twitter, I mean, I have been, like, subject to countless.

[235] death threats like you should die you get the wall you should go to the gula like people show you know like people say horrible things to me online i honestly don't care like i'm like it's the internet people say horrible things i'm not going to crumble or feel hoarder offended because somebody says some bullshit to me on twitter but you can't even say he to somebody who's declared themselves a woman or you're essentially guilty of hate speech but they can call you stupid bitch and worse Yeah and worse Believe it or not What's worse?

[236] Like cunt I don't know There you go Kill yourself You turf cunt I've gotten that one That turf is my favorite Trans -exclusionary Radical Feminist Yeah Yeah So many Those things that People love Those little acronyms Too because it makes them feel Like they're a part of like Some little group That knows these things And other people Don't know these things And Yeah And that acronym Doesn't even makes sense because it's applied.

[237] I'm not a radical feminist.

[238] I've never identified as a radical feminist.

[239] I don't have anything against radical feminist per se.

[240] What is a radical feminist versus a regular feminist?

[241] I mean, technically, the word radical is meant in this context to get at the root.

[242] So the difference radical feminists would say the difference between radical feminism and like liberal feminism would be that they want to upend the whole system of patriarchy rather than just changing some of the surface things like legislation and things like that they want to they want there to be a revolution burn it all down yeah they're like the antifa of feminists i mean i don't think most of them are violent um but some of them are probably violent or some of them would want a violent revolution to overthrow the patriarchy.

[243] Even when Antifa's violent, they're violent, like, you know, little small doughy people.

[244] You just think that because you know that you could beat them up, but I don't think that when they're...

[245] Like, yes.

[246] I think they're violent, too.

[247] I think they're quite scary.

[248] And, again, a lot of them seem really unstable.

[249] Like, they've shown up at my events before to protest.

[250] And they're quite threatening.

[251] And, you know, I don't...

[252] I kind of do feel.

[253] find them scary because I find them unhinged.

[254] Yeah.

[255] And they obviously have perpetrated violence.

[256] Like, Antifa was responsible for a whole bunch of violence during all the BLLM stuff in the summer.

[257] And I, you know, I'm not as strong as you are because I'm female.

[258] I also don't work out as much as you.

[259] But, you know, like, if a scrawny, like, Antifa guy wanted to beat me up, he probably could.

[260] Right.

[261] Yeah, it's, um, there's a weird, like, misfit revenge aspect to what they're doing.

[262] Yes.

[263] Because they're all misfits.

[264] They're all like either like really fat or really scrawny and really fucked up and they're wearing masks and screaming nonsensical shit.

[265] And loving the fact that they found others like them and that they're all willing to participate in this anarchy and trying to burn it all down.

[266] And because they're a cute little name, anti -fascist, like how could you disagree with them?

[267] You know, fascist, are you?

[268] Why do you love fascism?

[269] Yeah.

[270] It's like Antifa is anti -fascist, and I've seen actually CNN buy into that.

[271] Like, no, they're misfits that are trying to burn down Seattle courthouses.

[272] Like, this is not anti -fascists.

[273] In fact, if you follow the definition of fascism, they're literally trying to enforce their ideals upon other people.

[274] Right.

[275] I mean, this is the same thing.

[276] People accuse me of bigotry.

[277] They accuse all sorts of people of bigotry because they have, you know, non -like, approved progressive opinions.

[278] And meanwhile, they're the most intolerant people ever.

[279] And I'm like, no, actually, like, if you just Google the definition of the word bigot, what you're doing is literally bigotry.

[280] You're intolerant of different opinions.

[281] And lack of compassion.

[282] That's a big aspect of a lot of this stuff.

[283] It's like I always used to think of progressive people and people with progressive ideas as being compassionate people.

[284] And that's the reason why they had these progressive ideas, whether it's, about welfare or whether it's about civil rights or equal rights, whatever it is.

[285] I thought it was like compassionate, kind people that wanted other people to have better opportunities and do better.

[286] But when you realize that it's, no, it's people who have decided upon a tribe and they've subscribed to a predetermined set of opinions and then they use that to be a fucking douchebag and attack other people.

[287] That's a lot of what's going on with the right and the left, with both sides.

[288] I mean, it's interesting because what they're doing is they're seeking power.

[289] Like, I totally think you're right.

[290] I think these are, like, ugly loser misfits who were unpopular in high school and are really fucking pissed off and want to get their revenge.

[291] And so they're using politics to do it.

[292] Yes.

[293] But, you know, I, like, so I was a leftist my entire life.

[294] I identified when I was a teenager.

[295] I think I identified as, like, a Marxist.

[296] And then as a socialist, only recently, like, within.

[297] the past couple of years have I been like, eh, I don't think this is so great.

[298] Like, first of all, I don't want anything to do with these people, but second of all, like, I don't know if capitalism is like the worst thing in the world.

[299] But I subscribed to these beliefs because I thought we were the nice people.

[300] I thought we were the people who cared about people's well -being and happiness, about obviously equality and justice.

[301] And I never, I never even knew any right -wing people my whole life.

[302] I grew up in Vancouver, which is a very progressive place.

[303] My parents were super progressive.

[304] You know, I grew up atheists.

[305] Like, I didn't know religious people.

[306] I didn't know right -wing people.

[307] I almost really never even thought about them that much.

[308] But I just had decided, like, so I understand these people, because I used to be like that.

[309] Like, I just thought that anybody that didn't see things my way were stupid, were assholes.

[310] or we're greedy.

[311] You know, like, you just don't care about helping out poor people.

[312] Right.

[313] You just care about yourself.

[314] And, you know, obviously, over the past few years, I've seen the light.

[315] And, you know, the left claims to be anti -hyarchy, right?

[316] Which is stupid.

[317] Like, hierarchies are natural.

[318] You can't be anti -hierarchy.

[319] That's not how the world works.

[320] It's not how nature works.

[321] but they claim to be opposed to power essentially and meanwhile all that they're doing is trying to hold power over everybody else and force everybody else to not even I don't even know if they care that people believe what they're saying they just want them to say it they just want them to repeat the mantras like they're in a cult right there's a big aspect a big cult like aspect to this yeah yeah it's um it's a strange time because through social media, people get to find other people that agree with them, and they form these little attack groups, and they form these little echo chambers, and they reinforce their opinions, and they use that to target people that they find that disagree with them, or they find that of opposing viewpoints.

[322] And the way they do it, it's really nasty.

[323] It's really nasty and really shitty, and it's not compassionate at all, It's not aligned with anything that I ever thought of as being progressive or being open -minded or liberal.

[324] It's not like that.

[325] It's like they're using their ideological differences they have with other people as an excuse to be a shitty person.

[326] And they've been doing this to me forever.

[327] Like this was a more famous moment, but when I was writing for this like Canadian left -wing progressive news site back in 2015, I was an editor there too, actually.

[328] They started, these Toronto Progressives, started a petition to have me fired and accused me of all sorts of things.

[329] They accused me of being horaphobic, you know, afraid of prostitians.

[330] You're a horaphobic?

[331] I'm not just a transphobe.

[332] I'm also a horophobe.

[333] I never heard of that one before.

[334] Yeah, this has been going on for a while.

[335] You're a horophobe?

[336] I'm not a horrorphobe, but they, okay, so how did you get laid with a horophobe?

[337] context for this because I'm scared of prostitutes.

[338] I'm joking.

[339] I don't have an irrational fear of prostitutes.

[340] I'm, so most of my work before I started writing about gender identity, I was writing about, like, I've run a feminist website for 10 years now.

[341] I would write mostly about like violence against women, domestic abuse, but I did a lot of writing around pornography and prostitution.

[342] And, you know, I'm opposed to.

[343] the porn industry.

[344] I personally don't like porn, but I think the porn industry is like pretty disgusting and exploitative and unethical.

[345] I think it's obviously incredibly misogynistic, it's racist.

[346] I think porn, I know you didn't ask me about this, but too bad.

[347] I think porn's bad for men.

[348] I think it's bad for relationships, for the most part.

[349] In any case, I did a lot of writing around pornography about prostitution.

[350] I advocate for a model that's called the Nordic model, which criminalizes essentially the exploiters, so it criminalizes pimps, Johns, brothel owners, traffickers, and decriminalizes the women.

[351] So it sees women as essentially victims of prostitution, for the most part.

[352] Of course, I'm aware that some women choose it and tries to punish the people who take advantage of vulnerable women, essentially.

[353] And this is why I was labeled a whorephobe.

[354] And this is what the left was really angry at me about for the most part.

[355] But they also, of course, accused me of being like a white supremacist and a transphobe and everything else because they like to just pile everything.

[356] I was talking to my friend Ari about this, and he was saying that he knows people in New York specifically where girls have men that they have sex with.

[357] for money.

[358] They've become friends with them and they have like these little relationship deals with them where they'll meet them and then they'll have maybe these guys have other relationships or maybe these guys are really busy and they don't want a relationship for whatever reason.

[359] They just want to pay for sex and have it a clean transaction and these women will do it with like several different guys and that is how they get by.

[360] And they like it.

[361] They don't have pimps, they don't have prostitutes.

[362] And this sounds very utopian, right?

[363] It sounds like very, like, best case scenario for the girl, best case scenario for the guy.

[364] Like, we're just, we're painting this with rose -colored glasses, right?

[365] Like, everybody loves it.

[366] It's great.

[367] There's no, no, no, eyey side effects, and there's no misogyny, and there's no, right.

[368] In that scenario, are you okay with that?

[369] So, okay is not, I'm not going to tell a woman not to do that.

[370] right that's what she wants to do that's her own prerogative if it genuinely makes her happy then go for it if it's better than working at wendy's well and it is better than working at wendy's financially probably you know i are you like i think that i think that that relationship and that transaction is totally unhealthy and inhumane and i think that it obviously treats sex as something that is separate from the human.

[371] And I'm not saying that...

[372] Separate from the human?

[373] So you're having sex with somebody, but you're not engaging in a relationship with them.

[374] You're just using their body, essentially.

[375] Which I think is weird, because we're more than just bodies.

[376] We're not like, you know, our brains are, you know, it's all connected.

[377] We have emotions.

[378] We have desires.

[379] We have feelings.

[380] And I think if you're having sex with somebody, you sort of need to be accountable to them in some way and be considering that they have feelings and desires and needs of their own.

[381] And I don't think that it's healthy for sex to be treated as just a physical thing.

[382] And I'm not saying, like, sex can't just be fun and just a physical thing.

[383] Like, I've had lots of casual sex in my life.

[384] How dare you?

[385] How dare you?

[386] Hundreds and thousands of people.

[387] But, you know, I don't think it has to be, like, this romantic exchange every time.

[388] It's not like you have to be married.

[389] Like, you have to be, like, staring into each other's eyes and like, I love you, I love you.

[390] I love you.

[391] But I think that it's a really unhealthy thing for society to normalize sex as being something transactional.

[392] And I think these women probably are going to have problems down the line.

[393] Like it's like, yeah, right now this might be fine.

[394] Same thing with women who do porn are like, oh yeah, this is fine.

[395] Great.

[396] And it's like, okay, talk to me in 10 years and tell me how you feel when you reflect back.

[397] Like the decisions that we make, we can make all sorts of bad decisions when we're 20.

[398] And this can be applicable to probably casual sex too.

[399] But I think, I think that there are kind of mental and emotional repercussions from engaging in those kinds of relationships that people pretend don't exist.

[400] I don't think that it could make you feel really good about yourself when a man is like paying for access to your body and not considering you as a human and how you feel and what you actually want.

[401] And you're having sex that you don't enjoy it.

[402] Why would you want to have sex that you don't enjoy it?

[403] How do you know they don't enjoy it?

[404] What if you do have sex of people?

[405] Why would they be getting paid if they were into it?

[406] Because if I wanted to have sex with somebody, I wouldn't be like, okay, well, give me some money.

[407] I'd want to have sex with them.

[408] Well, you're not a hoe.

[409] Thank you.

[410] That's true.

[411] I mean, I think we're making it, we're narrowly defining these exchanges.

[412] And I'm not in support of prostitution.

[413] I'm just trying to play devil's advocate.

[414] No, I appreciate it.

[415] And to be honest, like I'm totally changing the subject again.

[416] and I'm sorry, I'm very bad at staying on track.

[417] But, like, I started to question feminism and the work that I was doing because I started to feel like there were questions that I couldn't answer, and I wasn't being challenged enough.

[418] So I appreciate you challenging me on this stuff, but I've sort of started to move away from feminism a bit in the past few years, partly because I just felt like I was repeating myself over and over and over again and, like, preaching to the choir, and none of these people were.

[419] were asking me any questions and I was like if I was having an argument with somebody who like didn't believe in patriarchy they were like what's what's a patriarchy I was like would I be able to answer that question I don't actually think I can so maybe I should stop saying this word over and over and over again it's a word that sort of it's supposed to put the breaks in any argument you know like it's one of those words like because of the patriarchy yeah oh because of the patriarchy tell me about that like it's one of those things that things where like if you ask someone to define like what do you what exactly do you mean by that yeah like things can get real dicey and i couldn't and i can't and so i've stopped using that word well the idea is that like men are controlling everything right which is very disempowering for women especially women that are very successful it's like how did they get there that they get there because men let them like or did they get there because there are certain aspects of society that are a meritocracy and that should be a meritocracy like this is what I was saying about hierarchy like there are some people who are better at things than other people there are some people who are better suited to be leaders it's not an equal playing field and to pretend that it is the amount of effort that people put into things totally like if you want to sit around in the house on your computer playing I was about to say video games because I'm 41 years old I was like I don't think they're called video games anymore they are what are they called i don't know i feel like there's another well i obviously don't know i think they're video games they're just called video games oh isn't it like okay what else would you call them uh they're video game okay great even like the brand new ones that come out today so i just outed my age for no good reason um um like if you want to like sit around your house and be a loser then you can go do that but you don't deserve to have the same amount of money or prestige or power or whatever it is as somebody else.

[420] Like it shouldn't all be equal.

[421] I think that it should be more equal.

[422] Like I don't think that I really don't think that people should be in poverty or destitute or be homeless.

[423] Agreed.

[424] Yeah.

[425] But I don't, I don't agree with this delusion that everybody is capable of the same things, has the same skills.

[426] And they do that in feminism a lot.

[427] They sort of pretend like everyone should have.

[428] an equal say and it's a really big problem within the movement.

[429] I'm getting sort of like meta here a bit, but, you know, feminism can be very like pro -collective and advocates, you know, like collective decision -making and things like that, which is crazy because if you're working in a collective and some women are, you know, 50 or 60 years old, they've been doing this work for a really long time.

[430] If you're 50 or 60 years old, you probably know in general a lot more about life and your work than a 20 year old does and yet within a collective everybody has an equal say so you know the 20 year old who just join your collective has just as much to say and it's equally as legitimate as what this 60 year old like it's disrespectful you know what I mean like yeah I don't know if this is like another like I have all these problems with feminism that I've sort of been trying to to like address and articulate of late and I've gotten pretty attacked over it because people are used to me saying a certain thing and I've stopped saying those things and started asking questions and challenging things and people don't like it when you do that.

[431] Yeah.

[432] Well, specifically of those ideals that they would like you to subscribe to very rigidly define how they look at the world.

[433] Exactly.

[434] And then if you step out, you were an ally, air quotes, and then all of a sudden you step out of the orthodoxy and you're starting to say, well, maybe this is bullshit because maybe young people are filled with hubris and maybe one of the reasons why they're into Marxism is because they haven't accumulated any wealth yet and they would like everybody to have no wealth because they don't have any wealth.

[435] And then as you see, as they gain wealth, which is one of the more slippery things about people as they get older, people that used to be Marxists and then they start like selling books and start doing well.

[436] and then they're like, I'm not really into this anymore.

[437] Like, I like to keep this money.

[438] Well, that fucking lady from Black Lives Matter that, you know, was a trained Marxist and turns out she's got a multi -millionaire real estate portfolio.

[439] Yeah, yeah.

[440] Yeah, and rental property and like, okay.

[441] I mean, like, what is Marxism to you?

[442] Well, and that's fine, but just don't be a liar.

[443] Like, you be rich, have a bunch of properties, have a bunch of money, but don't be a liar.

[444] Like, don't advocate this thing that is directly, opposed to the life that you're living.

[445] I mean, that's why I was a Marxist.

[446] I was like, I don't have any money.

[447] Fuck these people with money.

[448] Like, how come my friends have houses and cars and I don't have anything?

[449] I'm a Marxist.

[450] And then I sort of started to make more money.

[451] I still, it's not like I make tons of money right now, but like, I'm okay.

[452] And I'm like, yeah, I like, I want to make more money.

[453] Well, it's very rewarding when your effort gets paid off by, you know, something very tangible like financial success and the idea that we're not all in it for some sort of reinforcement you know whether it's monetary reinforcement societal reinforcement when you're doing something and you're putting out work you're doing it for incentives you're not just doing it to just survive what am i a fucking animal i'm only just i only need enough meat to eat to survive and enough water to drink so i can stay hydrated is that and who gets to decide that like so if we pass that and you can accumulate more things.

[454] You could buy nice clothes.

[455] You could buy a TV.

[456] You could get a computer.

[457] Who's to decide where that ends?

[458] And how do you regulate this?

[459] And who gets to regulate it?

[460] And if you look at the loudest voices, they're usually the laziest fucks, the laziest or the youngest or the ones who just haven't been successful at life.

[461] This idea, and Jordan Peterson talks about this all the time.

[462] It's an infuriating idea of an equality of outcome because there's no way that it's ever going to work but some people want that they want an equality of outcome in terms of like financial success or life success but there's not an equality of effort and if those this is the whole reason why we have innovation and why our society moves forth and why people put in a lot of effort and make extraordinary leaps and gains in their life is because there's incentives that's why that's why they do it It's the good aspect of capitalism.

[463] Yeah, and I mean, the idea that, like, you shouldn't have to work hard.

[464] I mean, working hard to achieve something like financial success is great.

[465] Because, yeah, why would you do all this work for nothing, just out of the good of your heart?

[466] Like, most people aren't going to do that.

[467] Maybe there's some people who are incredibly charitable, but most people aren't going to do that.

[468] But also, you know, it sort of erases the reality that, like, working really hard and achieving something and getting better.

[469] at something is actually very like self -fulfilling.

[470] It's really good for your confidence.

[471] It helps you get to know yourself, which also builds confidence.

[472] And this is what these leftists are all doing, essentially, all of these, I mean, especially the younger leftists.

[473] It's like you, you shouldn't have to challenge yourself.

[474] You shouldn't have to do anything that scares you.

[475] You shouldn't have to do anything that's hard.

[476] You should be comfortable all the time and everything should just be given to you.

[477] I mean, all these, what is it, like Generation Z?

[478] I almost said millennials, but every time I say millennials, people scream at me and they're like, we're not millennials.

[479] Like, okay, whatever, everybody who's younger than me who's bad.

[480] Like, you know, like they think, they complain constantly about not having anything.

[481] Have you noticed that like online?

[482] It's like, oh, all these older people with their houses and their money and their jobs and all we have is like debt and like climate change.

[483] nothing and I'm like you're 20 years old you're supposed to have nothing you deserve nothing you're a useless person like what what do you like I mean think about well I wouldn't say they're useless when I was 20 I think I was quite useless were you I mean I was just at the bar like I mean it's still at the bar but I'm productive aside from jealousy at the bar but I think when I was 20 I was literally just at the bar I don't know you don't know anything when you're 20 you don't know yourself you're learning but you have a lot of hubris you know people they have a lot of lot of ego and they also want success immediately they want it right now yeah they're like why don't I have a house that's part of the the culture of you know participation trophies and this this coddled helicopter parent culture where kids haven't experienced you know in general they have experienced as much hardship as people of previous generations as much difficulty in getting through life and also they've been told each one of them that they're special and unique and told things like body positivity, which is one of my favorites.

[484] Like, it's okay to be a glutton.

[485] It's body positivity.

[486] Love yourself.

[487] Love yourself.

[488] Eat that cupcake.

[489] You should love yourself, but she also realized that cupcakes are basically poison that tastes good.

[490] Yeah.

[491] It's basically like a very slow drip poison.

[492] Yeah.

[493] I eat them.

[494] I eat a cupcake every now.

[495] I really like cake a lot.

[496] That's good.

[497] Yeah.

[498] It's very yummy.

[499] Not every day.

[500] It does it.

[501] It tastes really good.

[502] It tastes great.

[503] I mean, and this plays into the gender identity stuff, right?

[504] Because, I mean, this is really, again, taken over the younger generation who expect to be validated.

[505] Yeah.

[506] They expect to, you know, have a feeling and that to be validated.

[507] Like, I feel non -binary.

[508] It's like, good for you.

[509] That doesn't mean anything.

[510] Also, you're not special.

[511] You're just like everyone else.

[512] I think if you want to, if you actually tried to explain.

[513] what non -binary means, which most of them can't in any kind of cohesive way, you would discover that everybody is a bit non -binary.

[514] Like, I don't subscribe fully to femininity.

[515] You know, I'm obviously not a very passive person.

[516] You tell me, box.

[517] I love punching things.

[518] Yeah, shout out to my trainer, Chris, at Quilombo and Sayalita.

[519] You have to come visit us, by the way.

[520] It's actually at a Muay Thai gym, I was telling you before the show, but he's doing a jiu -jitsu tournaments there.

[521] So they just did the white belt tournament, and then they'll move up.

[522] And I think probably by around March, they'll do the black belt tournament.

[523] That's awesome.

[524] You should come visit.

[525] How many people live in that area?

[526] Okay, so in Sayalita, like I think people who actually live there year round is probably, I'm probably going to get this wrong, but like maybe around like 2 ,500.

[527] That's it.

[528] And then there's tons of tourists that come.

[529] and I was one of those tourists but I never left so now I'm a local so you went there as a tourist because you were kind of stuck in Canada's lockdowns are fucking preposterous and by the way did you see Trudeau yesterday on TV using different pronouns to describe the recession and the recovery oh like the she session yeah did you see that I didn't actually watch it but I did Jordan Peterson his Twitter page he retweeted it and said that this this cannot be shared enough like people need to understand how ridiculous this person is but what is he doing though why would he do that like what what's the motivation to do that he's just making up for all the times you wore brown face yeah he's I mean I don't know I mean a few times I mean I that's the thing I care about least in terms of true I mean here it let's hear this Take it from the beginning, because it's...

[530] It is exactly the example of the kinds of things you need to do to counter the she -session and turn it into a she -covery.

[531] The fact is, the conservatives don't talk about that in their lengthy platform.

[532] It is...

[533] Like, is it that the re -session is sexist, so he's called...

[534] What the fuck is a she -session?

[535] What does that mean?

[536] I don't know.

[537] She -session and she -successes.

[538] She recovery?

[539] I think he's probably, I'm assuming.

[540] He's such a tryhard.

[541] He's such a loser.

[542] He's trying to say, like, maybe that women, is he trying to say that women suffered more during COVID financially?

[543] He's not saying shit.

[544] He's not saying shit.

[545] He's just making up words.

[546] I should stop giving him so much credit to think that he's actually saying something.

[547] So this is two.

[548] This is his second term.

[549] So he won the second term.

[550] Yeah.

[551] When did that happen?

[552] Please don't ask me questions like this.

[553] Sorry.

[554] But you're a Canadian.

[555] No, I know.

[556] I have a terrible memory, though.

[557] But that's hilariously bad.

[558] Because I could tell you when Biden got elected.

[559] He just called a new election.

[560] So there's going to be another election in October.

[561] So he's been in for a while now.

[562] He called an election?

[563] So he gets to say, let's have a new election?

[564] Yeah.

[565] And I assume it is something to do with COVID and how well he thinks he's handled COVID.

[566] And he hasn't.

[567] He's been the worst.

[568] I mean, there are shutdowns in Canada.

[569] were psycho and never ending and like destroyed you know so many businesses so many small businesses we've all been miserable I mean this is literally why I left the country not I mean the politics in Canada are terrible and the liberal party are also right now trying to push through all these anti -free speech bills and I honestly got scared that I was like I'm not going to be able to work here I'm going to get arrested um there's two bills, I think Bill C -36 and Bill C -10.

[570] And one of them is to regulate online speech.

[571] So what it would do is it would force platforms like YouTube or Twitter or Facebook to take down content that the Canadian government deemed to be a hate speech.

[572] So basically everything that I do.

[573] Because they're on board with all this gender identity shit, right?

[574] And you also, it's, basically it's practically illegal to say anything critical about COVID or vaccines and all of that stuff too.

[575] Yeah.

[576] And the other one is about changing hate speech laws.

[577] I mean, they're working so hard to limit free speech in Canada and nobody cares.

[578] That Canadians are the most passive people I have ever encountered.

[579] And they have no idea why any of these things are important.

[580] Before I move to Mexico I was like thinking about moving to the US like to Texas for example um because I just I think it's going in a really really dangerous direction and nobody's doing anything or saying anything or very few people in any case um and and this is our you know progressive like feminist prime minister people really really trust the government so all these ongoing restrictions that were happening during COVID, people genuinely believe that the government has their best interests in mind.

[581] And they think that if they just keep following the rules, then things will work out for them, even if that's irrational, even if they've seen we've been following the rules this whole time and nothing's changed.

[582] We're not being given our freedoms back.

[583] In fact, they're working to take away more of our freedoms, you know.

[584] You can't, it's illegal to say that you can't gather with other people, like you can't have religious gatherings, that you can't go to.

[585] a church that you can't protest and that's what they did over COVID right it's like this BLM protest that happened during COVID is fine but this you know like anti -lockdown protest is illegal essentially and people people don't see why that's a problem and it's crazy to me and it's super scary to me de Blasio did that in New York City as well he said the only protests that are acceptable was Black Lives Matter protests I'm like you're not allowed to do that you fuck no you're not allowed That's not how rights work.

[586] Especially in America.

[587] Like, I don't know how it works in Canada, but you can't do that.

[588] But he did it.

[589] And this is the same guy that just made a vaccine passport.

[590] And I have a real problem because I have a show there in Madison Square Garden in October.

[591] And I've already sold 13 ,000 tickets.

[592] And now they say that everybody has to be vaccinated.

[593] And, you know, I want everybody to know that, you know, you can get your money back.

[594] I don't know what to do.

[595] I'm stuck in the situation.

[596] If someone has an ideological or a physiological reason for not getting vaccinated, I don't want to force them to get vaccinated to see a fucking stupid comedy show.

[597] No, I mean, people should be able to make their own choices about their health and their bodies.

[598] But beyond that, I mean, vaccine mandates don't even work.

[599] Like, I think in Sweden they've never had mandates and yet more people are vaccinated in Sweden.

[600] and like they have a super high vaccination rate.

[601] I mean, when you're telling somebody you have to do this, I think there is going to be some kind of questioning, obviously not for a lot of people who are like eagerly getting on board.

[602] But I mean, speaking personally, I'm much less likely to do something if someone tells me I have to.

[603] I'm like, no, you don't tell me what to do.

[604] I'm going to figure this out myself.

[605] Like, why do I have to?

[606] Like, what's happening here?

[607] Well, here's my main problem with it.

[608] There's a lot of people that have gone through COVID already.

[609] and they have natural immunity, and they're telling them they have to be vaccinated too.

[610] But that's not logical.

[611] It's not rational.

[612] It's not supported by science.

[613] This doesn't make sense.

[614] No, none of it makes sense.

[615] And, you know, and Trudeau just announced the other day that all government employees essentially were going to have to be vaccinated to work.

[616] What about government employees that have gotten COVID and recovered?

[617] Exactly.

[618] And have antibodies.

[619] But also you can't say you can only have a job, i .e. you can only survive if you get this vaccine.

[620] I mean, why is this, is this legal?

[621] Well, not only that.

[622] It's not really a vaccine in the traditional sense.

[623] A vaccine is where they take a dead virus and they turn into a vaccine and they inject it into your body so that your body fights off.

[624] It develops the antibodies and your body understands what that is, whether it's the measles or polio, it knows how to fight it off.

[625] This is really gene therapy.

[626] It's a different thing.

[627] It's tricking your body into producing spike protein and making these antibodies for COVID.

[628] But it's only good for a few months.

[629] They're finding out now the efficacy wanes after five or six months.

[630] I'm not saying that people shouldn't take it.

[631] But I'm saying you're calling it a thing that it's not.

[632] It's not exactly what you're saying it is.

[633] And you're mandating people take it.

[634] And there's no repercussions if they're.

[635] have any side effects there's nothing they can do about it yeah and i mean i just i think most people probably don't i mean i've i've gotten a flu shot once in my entire life and it wasn't because i was like scared of getting the flu i think i was i just i've never really thought about vaccines that much before to be honest like so i was just like okay sure i guess i'll get them and i was at the doctor's office and she was like do you want a flu shot and i was like oh okay sure but i'm not you know I never got flu shots before that.

[636] Like, I'm healthy.

[637] I have a strong immune system.

[638] I'm not worried about getting sick.

[639] I'm not worried about COVID.

[640] Why do I need a vaccine?

[641] Like, why do young, healthy people need a vaccine?

[642] The idea is that you're going to give it to other people and you're going to spread it.

[643] But they have a vaccine.

[644] So why am I giving it to them?

[645] Here's a problem.

[646] The problem with that is, even when you're vaccinated, you can get it and you can spread it.

[647] So, none of this makes sense.

[648] No. So there's no point in any of this.

[649] The only thing that is true is that if you're vaccinated, you have a better time recovering from COVID.

[650] They should try ivermectin.

[651] Should they?

[652] Am I allowed to say that?

[653] I think you're allowed to say it.

[654] I think they need real studies on ivermectin.

[655] That's what I think.

[656] I mean, I'm not a doctor.

[657] I'm not a doctor either.

[658] I think they need real studies.

[659] I think there's some interesting evidence that shows that prophylactically, it's very.

[660] effective.

[661] It's very effective to stop people from getting it.

[662] And there was a study out of Argentina, I believe, where they give it to frontline health care workers.

[663] And the health care workers that took it, it was like 100 % of them didn't get COVID.

[664] And the ones that didn't, I believe, it was almost half of them got it.

[665] Somewhere in the neighborhood of half of them got it and half of them didn't get it.

[666] So, I mean, my understanding is just that it, your symptoms were worse, or less bad, and you would recover faster.

[667] If you got vaccine?

[668] No, if you take ivermectin.

[669] Well, the vaccine as well, though.

[670] That's the same thing.

[671] Oh, okay, okay.

[672] Even people that do get COVID when they've been vaccinated, it's a safer experience for them.

[673] Well, okay, but I mean, the point is that ivermectin is an option that's essentially been banned in North America, whereas in Mexico, you can buy it over the counter at a pharmacy for real cheap.

[674] And supposedly, I mean, there is research that shows that it helps.

[675] And yet in North America, they're just pushing vaccine, vaccine, vaccine.

[676] That's the only option.

[677] And it's not the only option.

[678] Yeah.

[679] There's options for treatment.

[680] And the big one that I've been pushing from the beginning is, God, if there's ever been a wake -up call where you have clear reason to take care of your body, now is the time.

[681] Like, please, if you're listening to this, lose weight, please exercise.

[682] please take vitamins, please eat healthy foods.

[683] Please.

[684] That will have a significant impact in your ability to withstand anything.

[685] Not just this virus, but all viruses, all colds.

[686] You'll have a more resilient body.

[687] You'll have a better immune system.

[688] This is all proven stuff.

[689] This is not voodoo.

[690] Like if you eat well and sleep well and take vitamins and exercise, you have a better immune system it's a fact yeah it's how it works there's like basic practical things that you can do I mean there's basic practical things that you can do obviously to improve your health and to avoid you know getting real sick if you get COVID or whatever but there's also like basic this frustrates me a lot there's basic practical things that you can do to help your own mental health yes um you know so this thing where it's like we throw prescriptions at people for everything We do that for, you know, physical health reasons, but we also do this for mental health reasons.

[691] And it's like, you know, it seems really weird to me that so many people are really, really depressed, and they all need to be on drugs for depression.

[692] And I would like to offer exercise doing something useful with your life that makes you feel good about yourself and productive and, like, you've succeeded, like, try to learn and become better at, like, a new skill.

[693] people don't want to hear that though they want that pill yeah I mean there's a lot of people that really don't want to hear that they want to pretend that well first of all with some people there's a legitimate issue there's like an absolute issue that can't be resolved with exercise and diet we have to make room for those people it's a chemical imbalance yeah all of it some of it I think some for some of it sure yeah of course totally but not all of it and not for everybody a lot of people in fact there was a study that showed that physical exercise was as effective if not more effective for treating depression statistically than SSRIs see if you can find that it was cardiovascular rigorous cardiovascular exercise as or more effective than SSRIs to treat depression I mean and I'm going to be honest like I have not been to be honest I'm going to start right now Are you ready?

[694] Is it this stuff?

[695] What do you call this?

[696] I'm trying to go slow because like, I mean...

[697] This stuff's horrific.

[698] I can't believe you purchase it.

[699] I, dude, I can drink so much of this stuff and so I am trying to go slow.

[700] How do you drink so much of this stuff?

[701] I take a thimble full.

[702] I want to black out.

[703] I really like it.

[704] I'm very good at drinking also.

[705] I believe you.

[706] Are you a lush?

[707] I said I'm very good at drinking.

[708] I feel like a lush has like a negative con. connotation like you're drunk all the time and I'm not drunk all the time you just lick I can handle my booze I like to party I uh okay so what I was going to say is that I'm not I haven't always I'm gonna be honest I haven't always been like a big exerciser um I spent a very long time not exercising at all and you know a lot of that just had to do with the fact that you know like when I was younger I was like when I was a teenager when I was in my 20s I was like naturally thin so I just didn't really have any reason to.

[709] And then, you know, once you get older and your metabolism slows down, you start putting on weight, and you're like, oh, shit, I guess I have to start exercising.

[710] But what I learned, and again, you know, when I got to, I was working with the boxing trainer in Vancouver before I went to Seulita, and I swam laps, and I was doing some strength training, which I really enjoyed a lot.

[711] And then when I got to Seilita, I found Chris and Quilombo and started working with him and I really love it a lot like it's fun I mean I feel like I want to kill myself every time I go and like lay down and die and I complain a lot the whole time I know you don't like complaining but I'm a big fan of complaining but you know like it makes me feel like if I ever feel any kind of like anxiety or if I'm feeling sad about like it makes me feel so much better I feel so much better about myself I mean, just in terms of really basic stuff, like building muscles and you can feel your body changing, which is cool.

[712] But in terms of, I don't have major mental health issues, which I'm grateful for.

[713] Like, I've never had big issues with depression or anxiety or anything like that.

[714] But it just, you know, if I don't want to go, I'm like, okay, I've got to go.

[715] Like, I feel like, I'm like, I feel bad.

[716] I feel sad.

[717] Like, I'm going to stay in bed.

[718] It always, always makes me feel so much better.

[719] I just wish that people understood.

[720] Like, it's not a lie.

[721] It really, and it makes you feel better about yourself that you're doing something that's hard for you and that you're doing it, even if you don't want to go, like, even if you're feeling lazy and you're like, ugh, I don't want to go.

[722] And then you go, and you're like, I did it.

[723] Like, I can do things that I don't want to do.

[724] And they're beneficial.

[725] It's just so good for, like, how you feel about yourself.

[726] Yeah.

[727] I think what you're doing, too, like boxing is so good because there's something about, like, hitting a thing, like a punching bag that is so stress relieving.

[728] Oh, yeah.

[729] I love it so much.

[730] It's awesome.

[731] I'm really not good, so I don't want to pretend.

[732] I don't want to be like, yeah, I know what I'm doing.

[733] I mean, I am getting better, but I'm just really slow.

[734] So it's frustrating.

[735] Well, you don't have to be good just to hit things.

[736] Here it is.

[737] Oh, Rhonda Patrick.

[738] There you go.

[739] Moderate aerobic exercise improved depressive symptoms by 55 % of adults with major depressions.

[740] Individuals with more severe symptoms and better reward processing seem to benefit from exercise the most.

[741] I couldn't find the part of being better than SSRIs, but that's pretty fucking good.

[742] 55 % is pretty fucking impressive.

[743] And this is a Rutgers study.

[744] Yeah, it's...

[745] Those are good stats.

[746] You know, I've never had a problem with depression, but I've never not exercised.

[747] So I've been very fortunate that since I was a teenager, I've always exercised.

[748] I got involved in martial arts very early in life.

[749] And so I was involved with, like, very rigorous exercise from the time I was really young.

[750] I regret.

[751] I don't have very many regrets in my life.

[752] I don't think that regrets are very useful, but I genuinely regret not having started boxing way, way, way earlier just because when you start doing something like that in your 40s, you're just never going to be that good.

[753] Like, you're always going to be a bit slow.

[754] And I really wish.

[755] You feel like you're physically slow?

[756] I feel like fast twitch fibers, that kind of stuff.

[757] I mean, I have bad knees, so I just can't move very quickly.

[758] What's wrong with your knees?

[759] okay well I hurt my knee doing Taekwondo when I was like in my early 20s and never went to physio and I was having issues with it this is the least interesting thing I've ever said in my life I was having like I had like this issue actually a really gross issue with my knee when I was in high school so I'd be like running or playing basketball or something and my kneecap would move out of way out of the way which would cause me to fall down and it was a very pain.

[760] your kneecap would move out of the way yeah so I'd be like in the middle of running and my kneecap would sort of shift and then if your kneecap shifts and you try to bend your knee you can't do it because your knee cap's not in the right place and I think it created um it made my knee pretty sense I didn't go to physio so I actually can't I'm trying to like explain what it is but I don't know what it is so I sort of already had a knee injury and then I heard it doing taekwondo and again just never dealt with it so it's just um so it's just um They're like, it's stiff and it doesn't work very well.

[761] But there's a guy who's got a website called, his Instagram is Knees Over Toes Guy.

[762] Oh, you're trying to help me. You're not just trying to make me talk about my weird.

[763] No, no, no, no. It's got a bunch of great exercises for strengthening and stabilizing your knee.

[764] Okay.

[765] And then I'm a big proponent of.

[766] Sorry, weight training helped a lot, like doing like dead lifts and stuff like that and doing squats helped a lot.

[767] Like they are totally way better than they used to be.

[768] but they're just stiff, and so I just feel like I can't move really quickly.

[769] Weightlifting and squats and those sorts of exercise are great, but what he's emphasizing is a very specific range of motion with lifting weights that strengthens the knee when you put the knee in positions where it's generally thought of as being more unstable, like when your knees are over your toes.

[770] That's why his knees over toes guy.

[771] Okay.

[772] And the idea is to, like, get it so that your knee can be very strong through the entire range of motion.

[773] So if you look at someone, like, who's jumping, like, he uses basketball as an example.

[774] And it's a great example because, you know, when you're in the middle of, like, if someone's dribbling the ball and they're cutting left or right, there's oftentimes where your knee is in these, like, unstable positions or when you're jumping and landing, you know, your knee is over your toes and these.

[775] and his idea is to strengthen the knee in all of these ranges of motion where you traditionally would be weak and make your knees and all the surrounding muscles strong so that you can move in any direction and never have a problem with that sort of instability.

[776] It's very beneficial.

[777] I do it all the time.

[778] Yeah, this is great information.

[779] So in my brain, I can't run and I can't jump because it hurts my knee.

[780] Like, if I even, like, if I tried to run, like, a couple blocks, it would make my knee kind of hurt and swell up.

[781] But in my brain, for a very long time, I've been like, I can't run, I can't jump.

[782] And so, I mean, I suspect that there is some kind of solution I could maybe move past this block.

[783] I was like, no, no, no, I can't jump rope.

[784] I mean, I don't want to jump rope.

[785] No. Really?

[786] Just that?

[787] Yeah, like, yeah, it hurts your knee.

[788] Yeah, like any kind of, like.

[789] Did you ever get an MRI?

[790] No. Maybe you should do one of those.

[791] Do they have those in Mexico?

[792] Probably.

[793] I just put your knee up to the light.

[794] I'll check it out.

[795] I'll look at it.

[796] What is butler tracking disorder?

[797] Patelot tracking disorder means that the kneecap shifts out of place as the leg bends or straightens.

[798] In most cases, the kneecap shifts too far toward the outside of the leg.

[799] In a few people, it shifts towards the inside.

[800] Your knee joint is a complex hinge that joins the two bones of the lower leg and the thigh bone.

[801] That's just sort of, maybe an explanation of...

[802] Who is this guy that you mentioned?

[803] What was his name again?

[804] Knees over toes guy on Instagram.

[805] This is the man, Ben Patrick.

[806] I really hope that my trainer didn't tell me about this, and I forgot and now he's going to kill me because he's going to be watching and be like, I told you.

[807] See how he's doing that?

[808] That scares me. Like the idea of trying to do that, I'm like, ugh.

[809] My knee.

[810] Yeah, she's doing it a little lighter with the...

[811] Yeah, she's got assisted with poles.

[812] Oh, Lord.

[813] This is giving me anxiety.

[814] He's doing it with.

[815] with just body weight and he's going way deep.

[816] But that's the way to do it.

[817] If you can do that, you can get to a point where, you know, and obviously you build up to it slowly and he has like a whole system where you start out very slowly and, you know, you progress towards what he calls dense strength.

[818] And these positions like he's doing now, I do that all the time.

[819] I work at it all the time.

[820] It's really great for developing range of motion, strength, flexibility.

[821] Watch this shit that he can do because this is so bizarre.

[822] He can go all the way down there like this and then pops all the way back up.

[823] And this guy's had major knee surgeries.

[824] And they were, you know, he was told at one point in time that there was nothing that he was going to be able to do about his knees.

[825] This is stressing me out only because I'm thinking about how much this hurt my knee and I'm like, oh.

[826] Well, it's a great program.

[827] But I mean, I think that what I've learned from this conversation is that it was right to never go of physiotherapy and just had come on your podcast.

[828] Maybe a physical therapy, people would have prescribed something similar along the same lines.

[829] It probably would have helped, but too late now.

[830] Is it, though?

[831] No. That was, no. Okay.

[832] I'll try to do something and I'll stop being like, eh, can't jump rope or run.

[833] I mean, to be fair, I hate running and jumping rope.

[834] Yeah.

[835] Well, maybe the running thing, you build up to that.

[836] You know, if your niece swells up and you run.

[837] And then I won't have an excuse anymore.

[838] You might have something going on there.

[839] You might have like a bad meniscus tear or some cartilage damage or something.

[840] Probably there's something going on.

[841] Could be, yeah.

[842] Is this what we came here?

[843] No, we can talk about anything.

[844] It doesn't matter.

[845] It doesn't matter what we're talking about.

[846] I feel like I'm almost done my drink.

[847] Like, how far are you into your drink?

[848] Pretty far in.

[849] Oh, God.

[850] Pussy.

[851] What are you talking about?

[852] I'm almost done.

[853] Okay, okay.

[854] This nasty shit you fucking forced me to drink.

[855] It'll grow on you.

[856] But it won't.

[857] I like whiskey.

[858] I like things that taste good.

[859] Okay, let me ask you a question.

[860] Please do.

[861] Since this is my podcast.

[862] You use correct pronouns, correct.

[863] Is that right?

[864] Correct pronouns.

[865] Right.

[866] So you, if somebody identifies, if a man identifies as a woman, you'll call him her or she.

[867] If that's what she wants or he wants, yeah.

[868] Okay, so why is that?

[869] Because if that's what they want, I don't give a shit.

[870] Okay, but don't you think of it.

[871] I'll change their name.

[872] If they want to be called Debbie.

[873] Okay, Debbie.

[874] The name doesn't bother me that much.

[875] One on one I would do that.

[876] If I was like talking to a friend and they identified as she and they were a man, then I don't feel like I would be super inclined to be like he, he, he, he, he.

[877] Right, right, right, to make a statement about doing it.

[878] But I feel like in public it has wider repercussions and I feel like it participates in this greater lie that if you identify as the opposite sex, that's what you are.

[879] And I feel also that it's unnecessary because I feel like it, like, so I feel like it plays into this idea that it's offensive to say what I say, for example.

[880] So the fact that I called yenive him or, you know, I refuse to use correct pronouns.

[881] Unless it's like on a personal level, then I don't care.

[882] I'm not trying to be rude.

[883] And you do for a point.

[884] You're making a point.

[885] Yeah, I'm doing it, you know, yeah, exactly um i feel like it sells out people who don't use correct pronouns i feel like it plays into and reinforces this idea that it's offensive and it's not offensive you know to call a man he isn't offensive to call a male a man isn't offensive you're just stating a neutral fact um so i sort of feel like the more people that participate in that the more it does make it seem like a crazy offensive, like hateful, really mean thing to say if you don't use correct pronouns.

[886] And I feel like that's a standard that's been set by companies like Twitter.

[887] Like people often say to me, like they act like I'm being stupid when I talk about this.

[888] They're like, who cares?

[889] You got kicked off of Twitter, no big deal.

[890] And it is a big deal for me because I'm independent.

[891] Like I don't work for anybody.

[892] I don't have some other job.

[893] I've built my own platform.

[894] I've created my own audience.

[895] This is how I make an income.

[896] So it does matter to me in that sense.

[897] but it's also that it's like set a precedent right like it says people will say oh Megan's Megan's hateful like Megan's a really bad person Megan's transphobic she even got kicked off Twitter so and you know because it sort of seeped into journalism for example so people will report stories about pedophiles and rapists and abusers and use their preferred pronouns because that's like the polite thing to do I feel like I'm not trying to be like I came here to call you out but I do I think people don't understand why it matters sometimes so they don't understand why I'm doing it because they're like why don't you just be nice like why don't you just use the correct pronoun right and it's for me it's like a much bigger thing than just a one -on -one interaction or like a polite thing well it's it's certainly a new thing and one of the problems with new things like this is that people they want to reinforce it to the point where it's like doctrine you know like where there's no getting around it like this is the rule and you have to abide by that rule or you're a piece of shit but it is you know when it comes to like men with beards and penises and testicles that want you to call them a woman like aren't you just crazy yeah what are what is going on here are you you're saying you want me to call you a woman but you have a full beard like I was looking at this one person I don't need to name this person but there's this one person that said you know that some women have penises and if you don't like that you can suck my dick that was a direct yeah I saw somebody say that too I don't know if it was the same person with a full beard full beard like terrorist beard oh I know I know what you're talking about I can't remember his name but it's like it's in wearing a dress I'm like you're throwing it in everybody's face that they have to accept that There's no way you're a woman, right?

[898] You're clearly exhibiting all these masculine characteristics, but yet you want to be defined as a woman because you want to be special, because you want special treatment, and maybe you do have gender dysphoria, and maybe you do enjoy wearing a beard as well with your gender dysphoria.

[899] But there's also something about you that enjoys this authoritarian aspect of this forcing people to comply with calling you a woman.

[900] Yeah.

[901] It's fucking strange because there are.

[902] are definitely people with legitimate gender dysphoria that want to be a woman and they're biologically male.

[903] And then there's grifters.

[904] There's crazy people.

[905] There's people that have locked onto this movement and they recognize that there's this thing that's happening now where if someone says this, you can't say anything about them.

[906] Like you can't criticize their behavior.

[907] You can't criticize the way they communicate or discuss.

[908] Because this person is now in a protected class because it's a trans woman and so they can act bat shit fucking crazy whereas if there were just a man you'd be like that guy's a fucking asshole but since it's a trans woman you're like everyone backs off because they don't want this anti -trans label attached to them they don't want to be accused of dead naming her and so they back off yeah and I think you're right that there is like something that they enjoy about having that kind of power and nobody can challenge them and it's like bow down i mean the other part of it that people don't talk about is that like a lot of these guys have fetishes like some of them are mentally ill some of them are just liars and they're just trying to like charlotte climber do you know who he is no um what was his name before he changed his name i and i get arrested for saying this um you can say whatever you want oh thank you i'll see i'll see i'll see i'll see i'll Like YouTube's not going to pull it Okay We're in a weird realm Because Spotify's headquarters I thought they were trying to get you canned No Oh those people don't have power over you huh They don't have any problem They sure thought they did I found that very cute It was like oh you guys are going to get Rogan pulled Like good for you A very small group of people That misrepresent my stance on things too By the way They characterized me in a very it's a it's a caricature of who I am versus the actual words that I say and why I say them and take things out of context and try to pretend that I'm an anti -trans person or homophobic or none of those things are true so like their even their motivation for doing it was just they don't want any gray area my own only dispute about trans people came because of a trans woman who was competing as a female in MMA fights without telling these women that she's fighting that she was a man for 30 fucking years and just recently became a trans woman and was beating the shit out of them and I was like this is fucked and it's gross because that guy knows he's a guy like it's you know these people you know like that that weightlifter Laurel Hubbard you know you know you're a man like you know you're cheating you know this isn't fair and you're doing it anyway I'm no respect for that did you see the actual competition she dropped the weights it was like I almost feel like she just quit because she didn't want the heat of possibly winning really yeah I didn't actually watch I just read it was a whack attempt weird yeah it looked whack it looked to win to get to represent New Zealand and the Olympics and then that's how you handle it did you ever see like when she's on the podium and those other two biological females are beside her and they're like what in the fuck because she's number one and they're sitting there like this is some fucking bullshit you can see the look of their faces have you seen it did you watch the no thank you the press con oh you didn't this is the best clip what um i don't know where you can find it it's on my instagram okay but so the the chick that won um at the pre the weightlifting competition at the press conference they asked her like so like what do you think about this historic moment when a trans whatever they said was competing and she just doesn't say anything she's like no thank you that's the question it's the greatest thing I've ever seen but you know like they weren't down they were like and how how insulting to be like you know she won and you're going to say like oh isn't it amazing that a man tried to compete against you what a historic moment historic moment yeah it's so offensive historic moment i i can't wait until there's real when we're going to get to a time i think maybe sometime in our lifetime where a man can become a woman like legitimately no like how what does that mean science like some sort of literal change of their actual physical biology like you would change their chromosomes yes and they would have a functioning uterus.

[909] If we can get to a point where there's a complete understanding of all the processes that are involved in taking a fetus and having it become a grown adult.

[910] And if we can bypass some of those processes in a male to convert a male to a female or a female to convert a female to a male, like that's not outside the realm of the realm of possibility.

[911] Like literal artificial biological life is not outside the realm of possible.

[912] possibility.

[913] My point is it's not here.

[914] My point is if one day it happens, then you'll have a real woman.

[915] Like, it'll really be a woman.

[916] Like, you'll be able to turn someone with an XY chromosome into someone with an X, X, X, X, chromosome.

[917] How the fuck are you going to do it?

[918] I don't know.

[919] But it's not, look, we can make nuclear bombs.

[920] We send video through the air.

[921] If people keep working on things, I don't think, I don't think it's an insurmountable obstacle.

[922] When that then we'll be dealing with a completely different thing because then like you will be like one day I'll see you and I'm like when did you become a dude and you're like I got tired of this bitch shit and I changed my minds I wanted to be a guy fuck it I want to be able to beat people up yeah I want to be jacked no that'll never happen no but you enjoy being a woman but imagine if you didn't imagine if you really felt like you should have been a man this whole time and then someone can actually give you some gene therapy and you know you actually do become a man i mean i think that would be what would your male name be oh my god i don't know what do you think my mail name should be do you have any idea mike i haven't no i had an ex -boyfriend named mike oh fuck that guy i don't want he's nice it's okay how about mark i had an ex -boyfriend named mark also oh how many i was mark was my first boyfriend let's keep going down the roll of okay try another one Tom.

[923] I've never had an ex -boyfriend named Tom.

[924] I have a friend named Tom.

[925] Do you want to be exotic?

[926] I feel like more interesting.

[927] These are really boring names.

[928] Manuel?

[929] Because you live in Mexico.

[930] Oh, okay.

[931] Like an ethnic.

[932] I'm Irish, man. You can't call me Manuel.

[933] Yeah, you can.

[934] Okay, give me an Irish name.

[935] Like, I could be Colin, I guess.

[936] Colin?

[937] How about Colin?

[938] I don't want to be a man. Okay.

[939] I was like, wait, wait.

[940] I changed my mind.

[941] If there is, you know, I was talking.

[942] talking to a friend of mine on the podcast about if there was a time where you could give someone a pill and it would alleviate gender dysphoria.

[943] Like a manage of gender dysphoria was something where they isolated it and they felt, oh, there's a protein that's off or this is, we figured out how to do this.

[944] And through this medication, you will no longer have gender dysphoria and it's permanent.

[945] That would be a great solution.

[946] The solution of getting a ton of really, like, awful, painful.

[947] experiment these are still experimental surgeries like the the surgeries that trans people trans people get to transition like they're really horrible they're ongoing they're experimental like I think these surgeons should be sued what do you mean that ones that turn a penis into a vagina totally obviously like breast implants are they've got that covered but um yeah like the the genital like creating a penis or a vagina I mean I know I know trans people who've had these surgeries and it's just like a nightmare and your genitals don't work anymore and you can't have good sex.

[948] You obviously can't reproduce.

[949] Like you can't have an orgasm and you're fucking mangled.

[950] Like it's not, it's a lie.

[951] Like it's such a lie to tell people right now anyway, who knows about this like horrible future that you're predicting.

[952] Is it horrible?

[953] Well, that's, I don't like, that's not how nature works.

[954] Like that's not a healthy thing for humanity to do.

[955] There's a lot of things that we do that are not how nature works.

[956] Okay, well, I think this is a not good thing to do.

[957] That's not how nature works.

[958] But, like, you know, people are being lied to.

[959] Like, they're being told that they can change sex and they can't change sex.

[960] And they're being mangled and they're being given these, like, high doses of hormones that are really harmful.

[961] Like, these are, like, things that will cause cancer.

[962] Like, and people just, they pretend like it's possible and it's not possible and you end up, like, I think so many.

[963] trans people go through all these processes and transition and then I'm like, oh, like, I'm still not what I wanted.

[964] I still look like a man. Like it's very hard for an adult man to ever actually look like a woman.

[965] Like most of them don't look like women.

[966] They look weird or they still just look like men, but they have implants and makeup and long hair or whatever.

[967] But you can't change like, you know, the way they move, their bone size or hand size, like the way that they walk.

[968] But some people clearly feel happier once they've done it.

[969] If they feel happy, that's great.

[970] Like Caitlin Jenner.

[971] Don't you think Caitlin Jenner feels happier?

[972] Probably.

[973] Yeah.

[974] I've never quite been able to figure out.

[975] Like, my theory about Caitlin Jenner is that he just felt like in the shadow all the time.

[976] Like, I don't know if you've watched Keeping Up Kardashian.

[977] Oh, yeah.

[978] You do?

[979] Oh, yeah.

[980] My wife watched it.

[981] So I've sat many times over her shoulder going, what the fuck are you watching?

[982] What is this?

[983] Yeah.

[984] And she would go, you should watch.

[985] You should watch this.

[986] It's like, I agree.

[987] It's very compelling.

[988] I don't know why it's compelling.

[989] It's very well -edited.

[990] It's very compelling.

[991] I actually, I think I watched the whole thing from the beginning like two years ago.

[992] Like, I didn't watch when it was on.

[993] I just decided.

[994] I was like, I should watch this show.

[995] When Caitlin was Bruce, they shit on him.

[996] He like hid in the TV room alone looking sad for so many.

[997] Yeah.

[998] He was the one that was like the brunt of all the jokes.

[999] They mocked him.

[1000] He seemed like, like, and the only one that's accomplished on the entire, I mean, he's a fucking goddamn Olympic gold medalist.

[1001] And the decathlon, like a legit Olympic gold medalist, 1776, cover of Wheaties.

[1002] Yeah.

[1003] Fuck yeah.

[1004] And now here he is in this house of like these weird internet influencers and this one accomplished person is the brunt of all the jokes it's very strange well and also I mean yeah and they all I felt I mean I had sort of a different perspective than you did maybe this is like because you're a man and I'm a woman but I was like this guy is kind of like he wants more attention and he's mad that he's not getting attention and all these chicks are getting all the attention and he's like I know how to get attention I'm going to become one of them and it worked maybe definitely changed the whole attention spectrum oh my goodness right yeah changed it radically but i do i believe that he probably did have i think he had a fetish he you know was wearing his daughter's clothes and underwear and stuff like that like yeah oh that's like that's totally public information oh and he also i read an interview with him it's older but i think it was in vanity fair or something like that and he would talk about like he would wear panty hose under his pants like he was really into wearing women's clothes and that's what autogynophilia is like it's having a fetish for dressing like a woman or imagining yourself as a woman like it turns you on and there's research ray blancher did research around this he's a sexologist and found that essentially like all trans women were either you know effeminate men or gay men or they were autogonophiles and and the men who transitioned when they were younger were the effeminate gay men and the men who transitioned when they were older like 40s, 50s, 60s were the autogonophiles who have like this fetish.

[1005] And of course he's been like canceled many times over because that's not something that you're supposed to talk about.

[1006] But usually what happens with the older guys who transition, it's like about that fetish.

[1007] And again, whatever.

[1008] Like honestly, do what you want, do whatever makes you happy.

[1009] stop trying to lie and say like I'm a woman on the inside I'm a literal female so as a woman you find this offensive as an actual biological one totally of course like being a woman isn't about like you know having long hair wearing makeup or like here's where it's different as a man I do not give a fuck if a trans person becomes a man like if a woman chooses to be a man like i you know buck angel yeah i've had buck angel in the podcast we had this conversation i interviewed him i call him him he's my friend like i'm like whatever and he gets he's not trying to force me to pretend that he's a literal male so i don't care like sure great guy really interesting to and you know when he said i do you consider me a man i go yeah that's what you want yeah and i'll treat you like you're a man talk to you like you're a man you know i'll call you buck i don't i mean i don't it doesn't matter at all to me like i never i would never say it's offensive that you are pretending to be a man like that that has zero registry it doesn't register at all with me i mean i think it has no impact on you like the the the the men transitioning to women has a really really big a negative impact on women and girls i was going to get to that this is the thing is that men transitioning to women use male tactics and male behavior as they invade feminist spaces.

[1010] And that's one thing that I have seen that women get really kind of freaked out by is that trans women then join these women groups and dominate them like men do.

[1011] They have male minds.

[1012] They have, you know, years and years of having gonads and having testosterone flow through their body and all of the, you know, hypersexual things that come from that.

[1013] And one thing that comes from being a biological male is they generally tend to be more aggressive.

[1014] They tend to be more assertive.

[1015] They tend to try to dominate whenever possible, you know, if left unchecked and if their egos are not, you know, well managed.

[1016] But the big complaint that I hear from women, especially women they get labeled as turfs, is that these trans women invade.

[1017] these traditionally just biological women groups, and they sort of handle them like a man. And or they're predators.

[1018] I mean, like, you know, or, yeah, like, or worse.

[1019] Like, it's like, I just, I wonder what kind of, this is not the worst of all the examples by far, but it's like, what kind of man actually wants to go into a woman's change room?

[1020] Like, what would be your motivation for doing?

[1021] that.

[1022] Well, you could wish you were a woman and want to be a woman.

[1023] But you must have some inclination that this is going to make women feel uncomfortable, and I think they kind of get off on that.

[1024] Like, what kind of man wants women to feel uncomfortable?

[1025] Maybe they want people to be accepting, want people to be open -minded to this and not have an issue with it at all.

[1026] I mean, that's very inconsiderate.

[1027] Like, it's like, okay, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe they just want to be accepted and they want validation and they're like and they genuinely believe they're a woman so they want to be treated like a woman so they want to be in the change room with all the other women but i think i mean who is actually that delusional yeah maybe some people but i do i think that there's something predatory just in that in the wanting to be in those spaces where they know that women don't want them there like where they know that they're making women uncomfortable and they're doing it anyway when my children were young um when i have all daughters and when they were young one of the weird things was uh if they have to go potty and it's just me i can't just send them into the woman's room and i can't go into the woman's room with them so i have to take them into the men's room so like i'm talking like carry them you know like this age right so i'm like either holding the hand and walking with them or i'm carrying them into the male bathroom and even then it seems weird you know it seems like I remember thinking like I can't wait until this stops because it just I don't want to bring my little baby daughter into a room full of dudes it's just odd you just feel inherently a bit uncomfortable about that yeah it's it's it's not I didn't feel like I was in danger or she was in danger I didn't feel like that but I was like this is obviously this is like a societal thing right this is a cult cultural thing.

[1028] Because in some cultures, they have open bathrooms and men and women share bathrooms.

[1029] And that's just always how it's been.

[1030] But it's not how it's been in America.

[1031] So when I'm carrying a little girl or walking with a little girl into the men's room, it's weird.

[1032] You know, Louis C .K. had a bit about taking his daughter to the bathroom and that, like, two guys are shitting right next to.

[1033] Like, he's got her on the potty.

[1034] And two guys are, like, having these horrible shits in the left side and the right stall.

[1035] Men are so disgusting.

[1036] Yeah, they're gross.

[1037] But gross, or gross, too.

[1038] Everyone's gross.

[1039] But it's, it's, um, it just felt odd.

[1040] And, but at least I was with her.

[1041] If I sent her in there, you know, by herself, like, it would feel insanely odd.

[1042] But you should, you should feel a bit odd about that.

[1043] And I don't even think you need to be able to explain why.

[1044] Like, it's so, the sports thing has been, I think, probably like, the best in terms of opening up this conversation about like men can't become women or maybe there's a problem with a man identifying as a woman because people don't need an explanation like people inherently will just look at this guy and be like no this is not fair like you don't need an ideology you don't need to be a feminist you don't need to really to just see like you don't need to know about biology you just know you're like no this is wrong like the sports thing is the only reason why I got involved in this discussion at all.

[1045] And then once I got dragged into it, I realized, like, first of all, they misrepresent your position in the most horrific way possible.

[1046] And second of all, there's no one from the other side.

[1047] There are no trans men that are competing against men in sports that are notable.

[1048] It's just not an issue.

[1049] Not only is it not an issue, nobody gives a fuck.

[1050] Like, all the men weightlifter is like, oh, you used to be a girl?

[1051] Cool.

[1052] Good luck.

[1053] Good luck, bro.

[1054] Like literally no one gives a shit because there's no perceived and not even perceived.

[1055] Let's be real.

[1056] It's a fucking advantage.

[1057] There's a giant advantage.

[1058] There's an advantage in tendon strength.

[1059] There's an advantage in the shape of the hips.

[1060] There's an advantage of years and years and years of having like huge levels of testosterone pumping through your system in terms of like a biological female.

[1061] It's like if you took a woman and you put her on steroids for 30 years and then she got off steroids for a year and she was competing against women in sports.

[1062] women would be like this is fucking bullshit like this lady's been cheating her whole life and now all of a sudden she's off the steroid so I'm supposed to just accept her as like a normal physiological female well it's not she's she's obviously been enhanced that's the same thing that if you if you grow up with testicles your whole life but even more so right like people act like puberty doesn't matter and that that like rush of testosterone that happens when you go through puberty as a boy doesn't totally change your body.

[1063] Yeah.

[1064] And your brain.

[1065] It does.

[1066] And again, no one gives a fuck if like some trans man wants to compete in the NBA.

[1067] Good luck.

[1068] Get on in there.

[1069] A trans man who wants to compete in mixed martial.

[1070] Well, you know, the problem with trans men competing in mixed martial arts or something like that, you wouldn't be able to because it's not legal to take testosterone.

[1071] So you literally wouldn't be able to.

[1072] You know, Texas has a really wacky way of looking at it where there's a trans there was a trans man well a trans boy I guess you would say in high school wrestling so this was a biological female that was taking testosterone but they wouldn't let her compete as a boy so they made her compete against girls while she was taking testosterone so she's you know ragdolling these girls because she's on the juice like literally and you know and everybody was mad.

[1073] But they're mad at the girl.

[1074] And I'm like, well, is that her fault?

[1075] You know, she'd really let this girl who wants to be a boy and is taking testosterone, let her compete against boys.

[1076] Let's see what happens.

[1077] No one would care.

[1078] No one on the boy's side would care is my opinion, is my position.

[1079] And that's why this is such a fucking loaded issue is because we know males have a physical advantage in running, in lifting weights, in most sports that involve power.

[1080] And I mean, and you can explain why.

[1081] You can like talk to a scientist.

[1082] You can talk to a doctor and they'll explain why.

[1083] But everybody knows.

[1084] Everybody knows that men are stronger and bigger than women for the most part.

[1085] And likewise, I just think that I think it's crazy.

[1086] It makes me feel crazy to even have to explain to people like that a man shouldn't have access to a change room or that a man shouldn't be in a transition house with women who are escaping violence.

[1087] Sexual abuse.

[1088] Yeah.

[1089] And that a man shouldn't be in a women's prison.

[1090] Like, it's like, why?

[1091] Like, you know why.

[1092] Right.

[1093] It's not because all men are rapists or all men are predators, but, you know, primarily the threat to women is men.

[1094] Primarily the threat to men is other men.

[1095] And also, why?

[1096] Why?

[1097] Why do you want to be in these spaces?

[1098] Well, the woke ideology is so fucking weird that they literally have allowed men who are sexual abusers to transition to women and be incarcerated with women.

[1099] Yeah.

[1100] This is a real thing.

[1101] Yeah.

[1102] Like, that is so outside of any logic that it's such a crazy way to handle it that you go, oh, you're a woman now?

[1103] Sure.

[1104] Guy who has sexually assaulted women, who has a history of this, is in jail for it.

[1105] We're going to put you in with women.

[1106] Yeah.

[1107] And, I mean, there's cases already.

[1108] Like, there's a woman in Canada, Heather Mason, who's doing activism around this.

[1109] And, you know, she was incarcerated for many years.

[1110] And even before this was an issue, this was starting to become an issue where men who identified as women were being transferred into male prisons.

[1111] And sexual assaults did happen.

[1112] You know, there was, like, a fucking baby rapist in there with, like, a mom and the baby, like, in some kind of middle.

[1113] I don't, obviously.

[1114] not in the prison prison, but like, you know, like they're putting dangerous men who are predators, who are rapists, who are serial predators in with these women, these women who are really vulnerable.

[1115] I mean, think about the kind of women who are in prison.

[1116] Like, these are actually, you care about marginalization.

[1117] Who's in prison?

[1118] Like, the most marginalized women in the entire country are going to be the ones who are in women's prisons.

[1119] And then you stick, like, a super violent rapist in there with them.

[1120] Just because he identifies it being a woman.

[1121] And the government, the Canadian government, will not even acknowledge this is happening.

[1122] They won't talk about it.

[1123] The media won't talk about it.

[1124] It's disgusting.

[1125] And Heather told me, she was like, you know, like, I think something really, really horrible is going to have to happen before anybody pays attention.

[1126] And it's true.

[1127] And think about what is the really horrible thing when there's already obviously really bad things happening in these prisons?

[1128] Like, you know, like what is it going to take?

[1129] And why is everybody pretending like this is okay?

[1130] Because everyone's scared of the liberal government.

[1131] They're scared of the blowback online.

[1132] Yeah.

[1133] That's what a lot of it is, right?

[1134] Yeah.

[1135] I mean, the liberal government, like, they're the worst.

[1136] They're the worst.

[1137] Your guy's the worst.

[1138] Yeah, Trudeau's the worst.

[1139] He's the worst I've ever seen.

[1140] Yeah.

[1141] He's so ridiculous.

[1142] Yeah.

[1143] And I mean, he...

[1144] This she -covery and she session.

[1145] Like...

[1146] I mean, and it's...

[1147] Who's that for?

[1148] You think his wife makes him do that?

[1149] I think he does it because...

[1150] I mean, I think he's just trying to...

[1151] win favor.

[1152] This is what I want you to do today at work, dear.

[1153] You know what it says, though?

[1154] I mean, obviously it makes him look like an idiot, but it also makes Canadian, like Canadians vote for this guy.

[1155] They support him and they're probably going to vote for him again.

[1156] Like, you think so?

[1157] I, okay, listen, I, as I said, like, I'm a lifelong leftist.

[1158] I voted for the NDP.

[1159] That's our leftist party.

[1160] That's like our labor party, basically in Canada.

[1161] My entire life, like as soon as I was legal to vote when I was 18, provincially and federally in every single election, I voted for the NDP.

[1162] Last election I didn't vote at all because I was like I can't in good faith vote for the liberals or the NDP and I didn't feel comfortable voting for the conservative party because I care about like health care.

[1163] This year I'll vote conservative.

[1164] Like somebody who was like a crazy like I was like an extreme leftist for all of my life until you know two or three years ago I'll vote conservative because these people are so unethical and so dangerous.

[1165] So dangerous.

[1166] Like they're getting We're getting rid of our rights, our free speech.

[1167] The erosion of civil rights is the most disturbing aspects of it because they're willing to accept the erosion of rights and civil liberties because it aligns with whatever ideology they're pushing.

[1168] Yeah.

[1169] And you're seeing that in America.

[1170] You're seeing that in a different realm with this whole COVID vaccine passport thing.

[1171] There's people that are accepting this idea that the government's going to be able to dictate whether or not you go to places, whether or not you could eat dinner, whether or not you could do things, depending upon your vaccination status, when they know that there's people that have gone through COVID and have natural immunity, and it's just as robust, if not better.

[1172] That's a fact.

[1173] They know it, but yet they still are willing to accept these restrictions that you're going to give this new power to the government, and this government is now going to be able to dictate whether or not you're able to do things, and they like it.

[1174] These fucking people that become governors and mayors, they like telling people what to do.

[1175] It's part of the fun of the gig that they can tell people.

[1176] Now, as the mayor in New York, I have decided you have to do this or you can't do that.

[1177] Here, here.

[1178] Yeah, but it's not just the politicians.

[1179] Like, it's the regular citizens.

[1180] Like, it's the public.

[1181] I mean, the problem is not just that the people in power are doing this.

[1182] It's that everyone's going along with it and supporting it.

[1183] You know, so many of my friends, when I went, I went back to Vancouver in June to, like, deal with my apartment and my truck and, like, banking stuff because I abandoned all my things in Vancouver.

[1184] And all anyone could talk about was the vaccine.

[1185] Did you get the vaccine?

[1186] Did you get the vaccine?

[1187] Did you get the vaccine?

[1188] I was like, are you all crazy?

[1189] Like, do you not have anything else to talk about?

[1190] First of all, is none of your business.

[1191] Like, why are you intruding into my personal life?

[1192] Like, why are you asking me, like, personal health questions?

[1193] But also, like, why do you care?

[1194] And I would say, like, I was like, I don't know.

[1195] I mean, I'll see.

[1196] Like, I probably will have to eventually to travel.

[1197] This was before there was, like, a mandate.

[1198] And, you know, I'm, or I'd say, like, I'm not super compelled.

[1199] You know, basically, like, I was super vague about it.

[1200] I don't want to have arguments with people about this.

[1201] It's not even something I'm, like, that passionate about.

[1202] And they would start arguing with me, either if it was over 10.

[1203] text, they would start, like, bombarding me with links.

[1204] You should really get vaccinated.

[1205] You should really get vaccinated.

[1206] You should really get vaccinated.

[1207] And I was like, can we talk about something else?

[1208] But there's a lot of people, when they do something, they want everyone to do it.

[1209] Yeah.

[1210] Once they do it, and especially if they do something that might be a little risky, it might be, might be a little risky.

[1211] But you did it and they got away with it.

[1212] You should do it too.

[1213] Did you do it too?

[1214] You should do it.

[1215] Yeah, we all did it.

[1216] We should do it.

[1217] Right?

[1218] Right.

[1219] This is the right thing to do.

[1220] Yeah.

[1221] These weird, weirdly obsessed people.

[1222] And then this idea that, you know, like, everything will be okay.

[1223] If we all get vaccinated, everything will be okay.

[1224] They'll give us our rights back and it all be fine.

[1225] And, you know, like they, like, the way that people have started treating each other around this is, like, really disturbing.

[1226] Like, you know, blaming their loss of rights on people who didn't get vaccinated and, like, saying really, like, hateful things about people.

[1227] Like, it's your fault.

[1228] And, you know, this is, like, a tactic.

[1229] Like, I feel like this is how totalitarian. itarianism happens.

[1230] It's like point your finger at your neighbor and then you don't pay attention to or hold you're not holding the people in power accountable.

[1231] They can do whatever they want because it's not them.

[1232] They have your best interest in mind.

[1233] It's your friend.

[1234] It's your neighbor.

[1235] Like they're the problem.

[1236] They're the danger.

[1237] They're the enemy.

[1238] It's fucking creepy.

[1239] It is fucking creepy.

[1240] And it's it's real creepy that it's only about someone getting injected with the vaccine.

[1241] It's not about like you're not going up to obese people and saying you fuck this up.

[1242] You fucking fatso, you get sick too easy, and you're coughing on everybody, and you're spreading it everywhere.

[1243] And people around you that aren't fat, they're not getting sick.

[1244] So you fuck this up because you're a spreader.

[1245] You're not hearing that, right?

[1246] You're not hearing people get upset at other people for their personal choices.

[1247] Smokers.

[1248] Smokers.

[1249] Smokers.

[1250] And smokers actually do harm other people's health.

[1251] Like, I don't like inhaling other people's smoke, but whatever.

[1252] I'm sure there's lots of things that I do that are even worse.

[1253] But you know what I mean?

[1254] Yeah, you boozehound.

[1255] I just said I like to party That's all You like to party drinking fucking gasoline I still haven't gotten through this I was finished mine like an hour ago Yeah well you got an issue Jamie can't even smell his without throwing up Look at them over there Okay well this was I mean this I was interested To see the reaction And this This stuff I guess if I was really lit I'd like it I can drink it's so easy That I have to like regulate myself that's weird no how do you feel about other booze i mean i like scotch and whiskey i like bourbon and that's pretty much it i really don't like vodka i don't like gin like i don't like i like i like wine but i'm not actually just like an alcoholic i'm not just like yeah i love chugging booze oh yeah yeah no problem i'm fine i'm fine i'm good i'm good nothing wrong at all no and you know what actually i mean this is like a clean alcohol so i don't actually get a good oh it's Clean.

[1256] Oh, it's clean.

[1257] I'm a scientist.

[1258] I don't know if I mentioned that earlier.

[1259] And a doctor.

[1260] I'm not.

[1261] Like clean eating?

[1262] Like people eat clean?

[1263] Yeah, yeah, exactly like that.

[1264] Oh, I like clean for the most part.

[1265] And I drink clean.

[1266] Same, same.

[1267] Like, I don't get hangovers because there's no sugar in it.

[1268] So if you just drink ricea all night.

[1269] Is that what you think the hangovers are coming from?

[1270] Sugar.

[1271] Really?

[1272] Okay, am I wrong?

[1273] Yeah, it's dehydration.

[1274] Oh.

[1275] Oh, okay.

[1276] I also drink a lot of water.

[1277] Oh, well, there you go.

[1278] That's why.

[1279] That's why you're not getting hangovers.

[1280] I thought that it was because there wasn't, it wasn't, like, processed and there wasn't a bunch of, like, chemicals and sugar.

[1281] Because it's, like, natural and clean.

[1282] Incorrect.

[1283] Okay.

[1284] Well, two things.

[1285] One, according to Dr. Carl Hart, who's an actual addiction specialist, he says that what's happening is that your body actually becomes addicted to alcohol.

[1286] And what hangovers are is there's an addiction process that happens during.

[1287] a drinking phase.

[1288] So like, say if you're drinking and you get, you get boozed up that night, your body literally starts craving that alcohol and that part of the hangover is you being addicted to alcohol.

[1289] That's why people say, you know, take a hair of the dog that bit you.

[1290] But I hate that.

[1291] I never want booze the next morning.

[1292] I think it's gross.

[1293] Also, if I drink a bunch of Prosecco, I do get a hangover, but if I just drink Ricea, I don't get a hangover.

[1294] Interesting.

[1295] So that's why I assume there was like a sugar factor?

[1296] I don't think so.

[1297] Well, I mean, there's probably a bunch of different biological reasons and different people.

[1298] Sugar and alcohol both have a lot in common.

[1299] They both cause dehydration and they're both processed through the liver.

[1300] These commonalities mean that when combined, sugary alcoholic drinks produce a much more severe hangover than alcohol alone.

[1301] So like sangria would fuck you up?

[1302] There are many theories as to why sugary alcoholic beverages seem to result in a worse hangover than lower sugar counterpoints counterparts rather but no real proof positive dairies sweet martinis and mitis all contain sugar and alcohol what is this website my gut health I just want to know if I'm right or not I don't know if that's true about my theory the thing that I've noticed is if I drink like electrolyte drinks like electrolyte drinks like electroly supplements during and after the booze, it has a giant impact on what kind of headaches I have.

[1303] And ironically, those things have sugar in them.

[1304] Oh, okay.

[1305] Yeah, that is interesting because, yeah, I'll drink electrolytes after, like, if I've been out the night before and it does help a lot, but I didn't think about the sugar thing.

[1306] Yeah, like electrolytes, like liquid IV, which is my favorite one, has a very specific ratio of glucose to sodium and all the different electrolytes, potassium and whatnot.

[1307] and it's like the scientifically designed way they've incorporated these things so it enters into your bloodstream quicker and more effectively and it rehydrates you better right so but there is sugar in that it's like it tastes good I mean the hydrate I do like I swear to like if I'm out drinking I probably am also drinking like two or three liters of water like I drink a lot of water I would like to see an actual study not some wacky my gut health here 1998 study so same thing Same thing.

[1308] Dehydration and electrolyte imbalance.

[1309] Oh, okay.

[1310] Alcohol causes the body to increase.

[1311] Well, that makes sense that electrolytes, if you had electrolytes afterwards, it would help juice it up.

[1312] It's also a low blood sugar thing.

[1313] Several alterations in a metabolic state of the liver and other organs occur in response to the presence of alcohol in the body.

[1314] It could result in low blood sugar levels, low glucose levers, or hypoglycemia.

[1315] So that would make sense where one of those electrolyte supplements would be really good after you drink.

[1316] Alcohol -induced hypoglycemia generally occurs after binge drinking over several days in alcoholics who have not been eating.

[1317] Oh, okay.

[1318] So you've got to eat too.

[1319] Damn.

[1320] Either way.

[1321] Not good for you.

[1322] I mean, so this like, my theory about racia being healthy for me was not.

[1323] So bad for you.

[1324] Like, I feel great.

[1325] It's great.

[1326] I think you just sip it.

[1327] Like, what vitamins are in this booze?

[1328] Well, it's so rank that you have to just sip it.

[1329] Yeah.

[1330] You know, because it tastes like shit.

[1331] So if you were drinking...

[1332] It doesn't taste like shit.

[1333] Like, I genuinely, I'm not trying to, like, seem tough.

[1334] I genuinely like the way that it tastes.

[1335] I believe you.

[1336] I don't know why.

[1337] Well, obviously, people have different kinds of...

[1338] What's your favorite booze?

[1339] I like whiskey.

[1340] Okay.

[1341] I also love whiskey.

[1342] Whiskey's a good one.

[1343] I like scotch.

[1344] I like bourbon.

[1345] I like a good, like aged whiskey.

[1346] Like an eight -year whiskey.

[1347] That's what I like.

[1348] Yeah.

[1349] I mean, you can't drink that kind of stuff really fast either.

[1350] Or I can anyway.

[1351] I mean, I feel like whiskey is like a slow drinking thing.

[1352] Even slower.

[1353] What?

[1354] Slower than this horseshit?

[1355] Yeah, dude.

[1356] I mean, again, like I'm not, I actually drink Ricea pretty quickly.

[1357] You've finished that, right?

[1358] I've finished this so long ago.

[1359] Like, okay, a little bit left.

[1360] Get you some real stuff.

[1361] Yeah A list of things I would rather drink than that Jaeger Meister Okay This is Still Austin This is some local whiskey Oh really?

[1362] Okay cool Maybe I should buy some wine here I'll give you a bottle This is my Really?

[1363] That would be awesome Cheers Cheers, thank you so much I'm stoked All right now we're drinking I want to see the label Oh my God It's like Kool -Aid Compared to that horse shit It's not as good Fine, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine.

[1364] So are you doing your podcast and everything out of Mexico?

[1365] Yeah, yeah.

[1366] Which is, it's working okay.

[1367] It's not ideal because the Wi -Fi situation in Seulita is still a bit whack.

[1368] Shocking.

[1369] Yeah, the infrastructure there is not up to par as compared to Vancouver.

[1370] How crazy?

[1371] They're like, duh.

[1372] But also right now is the rainy season, so there's like crazy thunderstorms.

[1373] almost every night, and that also doesn't help with things like power and Wi -Fi.

[1374] So it's a bit sketchier, but I have been able to manage to do it, which is great, because I really don't want to go back to Canada ever again.

[1375] Ever.

[1376] I hate it.

[1377] I hate it.

[1378] Really?

[1379] I hate it.

[1380] Because of all this political shit.

[1381] Yeah.

[1382] I loved it for a long time.

[1383] Like, I was born in Vancouver.

[1384] I've lived there my whole life.

[1385] I have friends in Vancouver that I've known, like, I have a lot of really close friends.

[1386] Like, my family is there.

[1387] Like, you know, like, I have.

[1388] friends there that I've known since I was five years old.

[1389] And I still don't want to go back and I hate it because I think the politics are so scary and it makes me feel so scared that nobody's standing up.

[1390] They're just going along.

[1391] Because they're so agreeable.

[1392] Yeah.

[1393] Yeah.

[1394] And they trust the government a lot and they're just, they're really passive.

[1395] And they're scared of their friends.

[1396] Like they're scared to say anything to go against the grain.

[1397] That's been the most disturbing thing about this pandemic is people turning against other people.

[1398] Yeah.

[1399] And just being scared.

[1400] Generally, when you put people in a high anxiety state and you make them scared, they get fucking sketchy.

[1401] They get weird.

[1402] It's hard to, they're not rational.

[1403] It's hard to communicate with them rationally and logically.

[1404] Yeah, it's fear and lack of control because I find that like, so some of my friends are genuinely fearful about COVID and they're like, if I get COVID, I'm going to die.

[1405] And I'm like, you're not going to die.

[1406] You're not going to die.

[1407] You're the same age as me. You don't have, like, diabetes.

[1408] You're not going to die of COVID.

[1409] But there's a lot of people, I think, who just feel like they have no control over this situation so they don't know what to do.

[1410] So I think they try to control other people or police other people.

[1411] And that's their form of control or their form of control is following the rules.

[1412] Like, okay, just like shut down my brain, put my mask on, stay in my apartment, don't go anywhere.

[1413] Like, you know, they just don't know what to do.

[1414] And to me, like, that's not my nature.

[1415] My nature is the opposite of that.

[1416] So I don't totally relate.

[1417] But, yeah, Canadians, very passive, very interested in going along, very interested in being told what to do.

[1418] And it's really dangerous.

[1419] Like, I, like, I feel like everybody needs to reread 1984.

[1420] Actually, when I got to Mexico, the first book that I read, I read, like, the last time I had read it was in, like, college or maybe even high school.

[1421] or something and I reread it and it was terrifying yeah it's it's very foreshadowing right yeah absolutely and even like that idea of you know going along with something that you know to be untrue you know you know that person's not really a woman but you're just going to say it you know that's like that step in that direction yeah exactly exactly and you know it yeah it's just it's really depressing and scary how many people haven't paid attention to history and can't see the path that they're going down.

[1422] Well, what's weird to me was that it was one of the first things that Biden did in getting into office was to make it so that high school kids can compete in the gender that they identify with.

[1423] At all the shit that's wrong in this country right now, all the issues that we're facing, that's one of the first things you do.

[1424] This weird, just fucking wave to the woke And he promised to do that And he Yeah, but he doesn't remember I mean fair But I just mean people voted for him You know feminists that I know voted for him Like feminists who have been working Against this gender identity shit For a long time and who have been fighting it Still voted for Biden Because they're like oh well not Trump Trump's awful And I don't like Trump But I for sure I didn't vote in this election I actually am an American citizen But I've never lived in America America before, so I've not actually...

[1425] How's that work?

[1426] What?

[1427] How are you an American citizen?

[1428] My mom's American, I've dual.

[1429] Oh, nice.

[1430] I know.

[1431] That's why I was like, I could actually move here.

[1432] I mean, I'm happy in Mexico, but I actually have been considering trying to do like part -time.

[1433] I mean, it would be helpful for work and also accessing...

[1434] Actual Internet.

[1435] Some things that don't exist in my, like, dusty, little weird, sketchy Mexican town.

[1436] Yeah, there you go.

[1437] I could, like, have clean clothes.

[1438] But, like, I said, you know, like, I was, like, if I lived in the U .S., I would vote for Trump because I think Biden's scarier, partly because of the gender identity stuff, which, again, he promised to do.

[1439] He said, you know, one of the first things that I'll do when I, if I win the election, is to, you know, make it so that boys and men can compete against girls and women in sports.

[1440] And he did.

[1441] and you know the fact that he's obviously in bed with big tech um and it's like i may not like trump and i may think he's an idiot or an asshole or like a buffoon but i don't at all think that he's as dangerous as biden and people really freaked out at me over that and i was just like why why would you vote for somebody who's going to take away all of your rights and has promised to take away all your rights you know like you're you're destroying sex -based rights sorry not all of you're right.

[1442] I shouldn't say that.

[1443] But take away sex -based rights.

[1444] You're a woman.

[1445] And you're a woman who's very concerned about this.

[1446] And you just can't break out of this, but Trump thing.

[1447] And it's not like I'm saying, oh, you should vote for Trump, but like, why are you voting for this person who's working against you openly?

[1448] Well, the media did a great job of highlighting any negative issue about Trump and constantly beating it into people's brains, that he's a misogynist, that he's a racist, that he's a this, that he's of that, and exaggerating any flaws that he may have had ad nauseum, any slurs in his speech, any things that he fucked up or gigantic huge red flags.

[1449] But then you see it the opposite with Biden.

[1450] They're letting Biden slide.

[1451] Like watching Don Lemon interview him and watching him babble in these weird nonsensical, circular sentences that don't mean anything, just talking, noises with his face?

[1452] Like, what did you just say?

[1453] He's not saying anything.

[1454] And Don Lemon is there pretending that it makes sense?

[1455] Like, if he was talking to Trump, he would for sure say, oh my God, this man is not fit for office.

[1456] This man is mentally impaired.

[1457] There's something wrong here.

[1458] We have a huge issue.

[1459] It's a national security issue.

[1460] We need to deal with this right now.

[1461] But the fact that they don't look at Biden the same way they would look at Trump in terms of judging him by his actual speech and actions.

[1462] There's a little bit of that going right now because of Afghanistan.

[1463] And what's interesting is Michael Malice actually pointed this out that was, I think he was being interviewed by George Stephanophilus.

[1464] Is that who it was?

[1465] I don't know about this.

[1466] Anyway, they made him orange.

[1467] Really?

[1468] They used, yes.

[1469] They used something where either that or he got a fake tan.

[1470] Either he got a fake tan or they use the same sort of color correction and filters that they would use with Trump.

[1471] but Biden in his most latest interview looks fucking orange all of a sudden he used to look like this translucent sort of jellyfish skinned dying man and now he he's got trump skinned weird let's see if you can find that video because it's fucking odd and malice pointed out malice was like i think they're doing that to make him make people think of trump because they're throwing him under the bus now yeah they're throwing him under the bus on CNN they're throwing I'm under the bus on mainstream media.

[1472] This is all Biden's fault.

[1473] I mean, I just, I think like, the knee jerking, like the knee -jurking stuff around Trump versus Biden, I think is so representative of how, you know, progressives engage with all politics.

[1474] Like, it's all not thinking in knee -jerking.

[1475] It's all, like, this is that we all.

[1476] You got it?

[1477] Like, it's all, we support, we support.

[1478] BLM.

[1479] We support trans people.

[1480] We hate Trump.

[1481] Anyone who has anything critical to say about these movements is a white supremacist or a bigot or a trans.

[1482] Then nobody's thinking.

[1483] Look at this.

[1484] Oh, what a nice tan.

[1485] How crazy is that?

[1486] Biden dismisses Afghans falling out of planes by saying it was four or five days ago.

[1487] Yeah, totally.

[1488] Look at what they're doing.

[1489] How strange.

[1490] We've seen those hundreds of people packed into a C -17.

[1491] We've seen Afghans falling.

[1492] That was four days ago, five days ago.

[1493] What did you think when you first saw those pictures?

[1494] But we've all seen the pictures.

[1495] What does that mean?

[1496] He's like, it's like when someone sends you a meme.

[1497] Like, bro, I saw it last week.

[1498] That's what he's saying about people falling out of fucking planes.

[1499] He's like, didn't you see that on Instagram?

[1500] Like, I saw that on Instagram.

[1501] He's like, it was four days ago.

[1502] Like, what does that mean?

[1503] Is that bad?

[1504] Is it nothing?

[1505] Because it's four days ago?

[1506] We all saw that already.

[1507] Yeah.

[1508] That was during the Korean War.

[1509] Why are you bringing that up?

[1510] It was pretty upsetting.

[1511] Pretty big deal.

[1512] He's so dead.

[1513] Yeah.

[1514] He's so cognitively impaired.

[1515] Like, it's so disturbing to watch.

[1516] And zero faith as a leader.

[1517] No one has faith in him to make good decisions.

[1518] They lie and they pretend they do.

[1519] But no one looks at him and go, he's fucking nailing it.

[1520] The guy's got it.

[1521] Like when Obama was in office, When Obama would speak, you would go, that guy is fucking smart.

[1522] That guy is cool, calm, and collected.

[1523] He's a statesman.

[1524] I loved Obama.

[1525] I mean, I know that he's not perfect on policy.

[1526] But he's obviously a very intelligent, competent man, quite charming, quite funny.

[1527] That sold me. Like, these things.

[1528] And a perfect representative of the United States in terms of, like, the way he speaks.

[1529] He's so eloquent.

[1530] He's so educated.

[1531] He's so classy.

[1532] Never lost his shit.

[1533] Great taste in music.

[1534] Yeah.

[1535] It's like, you know, I think the policy thing, and I think in terms of like enforcing foreign policy in particular, I just, I think we have an illusion of how much control they actually have.

[1536] You know, I think the deep state, the idea of the deep state is real.

[1537] There's people that are in politics that they're in office and government that never leave.

[1538] Well, how would somebody like Biden end up in power?

[1539] Like what a useless person to put in power.

[1540] like exactly oh and also it showed how hypocritically it's like uh let's just stick him there it showed out hypocritically people are when they talk to how hypocritic critical people are when it comes to sexual assault because like all the allegations against Biden they were like well I don't believe her but what happened to all that believe all women shit like where was all that well that's a really stupid mantra to begin it is but I mean like obviously you shouldn't just believe all women no matter what I mean again this is another one of those things like I said you know like I've sort of been like moving away from feminism and it doesn't mean that I'm not a feminist anymore like I've actually been ironically like under attack by the radical feminists lately who are the radical feminists like do you don't have to name names but like I know christina off summers gets attacked by them I mean I don't I mean they identify themselves as radical feminist their people I mean I guess their ideology generally would be like they would be anti -pornography they would be anti -prostitution they would be anti the gender identity stuff that's you wait a minute you just outed yourself lady okay okay okay okay but there's more it's like um I mean I I don't believe but you just listed off the three things that you I don't want to upend the system oh I don't believe men are responsible for all of the bad things that happen in the world right um they're gonna get mad at me again because now they're going to act like I'm stereotyping but I mean the answer the answer is men men are the problem right men are responsible for all of the you know violence all the bad things that happen in this world um men of all this power men are always in a position of privilege women are always the victims like i don't believe that at all um i don't believe that women are like not responsible for their choices in life i think that women should you know take responsibility for the choices that they make and i feel like radical feminism i mean maybe you know feminism in general does this is probably not just radical feminism um goes in too hard on this like women are perpetual victims and they can't be blamed even for bad behavior so even if a woman acts like shitty or acts like a bitch or says something horrible it's like well you know the patriarchy like she's suffered under patriarchy her whole life she's been abused like this lack of um accountability women don't have to be accountable for the things that they do and you you know, I, that's a good question, like, who are the radical feminists?

[1541] I mean, they're women who identify themselves as radical feminists, and they've turned against me in part because I've been trying to have more nuanced conversations, even about pornography.

[1542] Like, yes, I'm anti -pornography, but I also recently sort of tried to say, like, okay, I, you know, men use pornography, most men use pornography, this is a reality, all of those men aren't bad men.

[1543] I can't say in good faith that all men who use pornography are, like, misogynist or hate women, and that's what these women would say.

[1544] Any man who consumes pornography hates women, hates women, or as a misogynist.

[1545] I'm like, okay, I mean, that's, like, a lot of men, and it's a lot of men that I know.

[1546] You know, that's, like, my boyfriends or, like, my male friends.

[1547] And I understand the train of thought because they're thinking of the porn industry is this hugely unethical, again, exploitative abusive industry.

[1548] And they're saying if a man's making a choice to consume this and he knows that she doesn't want to be there, he knows that she's being hurt or he knows that she's being abused, then obviously he doesn't care about women.

[1549] Obviously he's a misogynist.

[1550] And I'm like, but that's not always the case.

[1551] And he doesn't know that.

[1552] That's not what men are thinking about for the most part when they're watching pornography.

[1553] They're not thinking, oh, this woman is being abused.

[1554] And we have to be able to have real honest, empathetic, passionate conversations with one another and it doesn't fucking help like if you want to stop men from using pornography do you think screaming you're a misogynist is going to stop him like you're a horrible person like you hate women he's going to be like oh I do hate women I should stop like yeah and they got really angry at me because they accused me essentially of coddling men they also called me a ball palmer a ball palmer what is a ball palmer you're palming balls I mean I like cradling balls and I was Like, well...

[1555] What does that mean?

[1556] It means...

[1557] Have you ever heard of that, Jen?

[1558] A ball palmer?

[1559] Not in an ironic context, I don't think.

[1560] Like, they're accusing me of being, like, so, like, enamored with men that I can't think straight, basically, that I'm coddling men.

[1561] But I found the term very amusing because they called me a ball palmer, and I was like, well, I mean, I'm like a heterosexual woman, so...

[1562] Is there something that works like that the opposite for men?

[1563] Is there like a breast cradler?

[1564] Oh, like it would be like, um, pussy whipped, probably.

[1565] Right?

[1566] Yeah, I guess so.

[1567] But no, but that's not even the same thing.

[1568] That's like a guy who's like got a girl, just got him like googly.

[1569] That's called uh, uh, simp, I think.

[1570] Oh, okay.

[1571] Simp.

[1572] Maybe that's better.

[1573] I just looked up ball palmer and it doesn't come up.

[1574] It's just a radical feminist insult for women who aren't like.

[1575] A ball palmer.

[1576] I know.

[1577] I really like it.

[1578] Like, I've been using it a lot.

[1579] I found it very funny.

[1580] But, you know, like, it's essentially, like, if I'm not going to vilify men, like, if I'm not, like, hard -ass enough, then I'm a ball palmer.

[1581] Like, I'm, like, I'm too soft on men, basically.

[1582] I got it.

[1583] And I'm like, I'm just trying to talk to people.

[1584] Like, I'm genuinely, like, I want to understand people, even if they're people I don't agree with, like, God forbid.

[1585] And, you know, like, if you genuinely want to change people's minds, then you have to treat them as humans and be.

[1586] fair and I think you do have to try to understand them not if they're like horrible like murderers or their sociopaths or whatever but just regular people I mean you you think that everybody in the world has been exposed to like a radical feminist analysis of pornography like no no one has and nobody cares you have to conversations with people has anyone ever successfully argued for pornography have you ever heard anybody like making good arguments whether it's a woman or a man like for pornography?

[1587] I mean, I think that people would argue that men need a sexual outlet.

[1588] So I just interviewed on my YouTube channel, a woman who's a stripper, and she's actually anti -porn, but she's worked as a stripper for like 20 years, and she's a feminist.

[1589] And, you know, she was like, the reality is that, like, a lot of men don't have access to sex.

[1590] or they don't have access to as much sex as they want to have or they don't have access to the kind of sex they want to have and like what do we do with men what do we do with those men how do we deal with this and the radical feminist would say too bad fuck them like go masturbate in your corner right like it's like yeah like right it's not my problem yeah and like and I think on a certain level women really don't totally understand the male libido and male sexuality like i assume it's probably different than how women feel or think about sex it's one of the things that trans men always say they they have a different understanding once they start taking testosterone they're like oh god yeah like no wonder why men are so pushy yeah i thought you were going to say like perverted perverted too that too just warning yeah like i think it's more intense well it's uh it's i mean Males in general, because of just biological history, we have more of a history of aggression, more of a history of also like the competition for mating.

[1591] Like it's the competition amongst males is very aggressive.

[1592] Like if one man finds, I was just, a friend of mine was just telling me this story about this woman who was, who's dating one guy and then she broke up with this guy and then dated a guy that worked with him and it became this fucking colossal catastrophe.

[1593] These guys had a fist fight at work.

[1594] And I was like, holy shit.

[1595] But that's like standard male breeding behavior amongst wolves, amongst gorillas, amongst like all sorts of different male animals.

[1596] Like this is mine or like it's a threat to my masculinity?

[1597] I think there's a, well, it's a threat to their hierarchy, their position in the social food chain.

[1598] the idea that you know that now they don't get to breed with this female but now this other male gets to breed with this female whether it's a gorilla or a male or a wolf or whatever and then there's like fuck him you know and then there's this weird sort of natural built in shit and with beta males it's like you know reputation destruction they'll talk shit about you behind your back and you know and mail things to your ex girlfriends and you know get crazy in that way but there's a weird sort of aggression thing that's involved with testosterone and dating you know it's a it's a weird uh it's an undeniable aspect of some as of some parts of of male behavior yeah i mean men are obviously super competitive in that way i mean i've had that experience yeah like with men that i've broken up with and there's no thing and like we're friends and it's been a long time and they get super like competitive and weird when I start dating someone else and it's like man you're dating somebody else like you don't want me like we're not this like you know it's not that you want me it's that it's like oh somebody it's like it's like it's like men are supposed to and they should figure out a way to manage that but I think we need to recognize that there's some sort of weird inherent programming in human beings that's biological that is completely about passing on your DNA and that is ingrained in your cells in some strange way that manifests itself in relationships in really gross and horrible ways.

[1599] And there's no management skills that are taught to men.

[1600] There's no mitigation skills in terms of like strategies of releasing this kind of aggression of energy, working out, going to the gym, maybe jerking off before you call your girlfriend to say you're sorry like that kind of stuff like there's so many or your ex -girlfriend rather there's so many weird things that are involved with being a biological human being whether it's female or male and so yeah exactly and so telling men to just suppress it is like the least helpful thing ever like it's like oh you feel this way like too bad fuck you fuck off like you're bad you're pathetic like it's like you're right like and men aren't you know men aren't offered and boys especially they're not offered alternatives they're not offered like healthy outlets again like sports or martial arts I think more importantly they're not offered an understanding of a female's perspective either like that's a real big they think about what they want especially when people are young right when you're young and your frontal lobe hasn't developed you're not you're thinking about what you want you're not thinking about what the other person wants and I think from an early age it would be great if we had a better understanding like a real honest understanding of how the other side thinks.

[1601] Yes, exactly.

[1602] And I feel like that was the conversation that I was trying to open up.

[1603] And, you know, my audience includes, you know, primarily, like, a lot of, I mean, there's men in my audience, too, but obviously tons and tons of feminists and tons and tons of radical feminists.

[1604] And I'm saying, like, we have to try, we don't understand each other, and we have to try to understand each other and be realistic about what's going on.

[1605] And we live in a world where boys are growing up on pornography, And this is how they're learning about sex And this is how they're learning about women And it's totally normalized There's nobody saying like Oh, maybe this might not be the best thing For you to be jerking off to And you're like rewiring your brain So this is the thing that turns you on And this thing is like, I don't know, unhealthy or harmful Or violent or whatever.

[1606] And you know, people just want to shut it down Or they don't want to talk about it or they just want to, you know, shut it on, like, you know, the people who don't really feel concerned about porn will more likely be like, oh, it's just sex, it's just a fantasy.

[1607] I think also we have to take into consideration the way girls' brains are being rewired because they're looking at that in terms of what the expectations on them are.

[1608] Yeah, totally.

[1609] Like, I read this study, and it was kind of a fucked up study because it was like a study about how kids are having much more anal sex now than ever before.

[1610] Yeah.

[1611] And part of me was like, what kind of scientist is like, what do you want to study?

[1612] I want to study kids butt fucking.

[1613] How many teenagers are having anal sex?

[1614] It's like, hey, I want to talk to that fucking scientist and make sure they're on the up and up.

[1615] But the reality is that seeing those images, like any child that has access to a phone, you're a little perverted friends are going to say, have you Googled this yet?

[1616] Have you seen that?

[1617] Most parents don't have restrictions in their kids' phones.

[1618] If you give a boy a phone, you're basically saying, hey, little fella, go watch people fuck.

[1619] Go watch violence and go watch people fuck.

[1620] Go watch gunshot videos and car accidents.

[1621] Go find the most, like, deranged shit that you can find.

[1622] Your brain's developing.

[1623] That's what they're doing.

[1624] Look at this.

[1625] I think the expectations on girls is another thing that should be studied about that, too.

[1626] Because, you know, if you're watching, like, grown adults that enjoy, participating in kinky shit, that's a grown adult that's been through the ringer, right?

[1627] They've been through a lot of things in their life, and then, you know, they have two shots of this wacky shit that you like, and they're like, go ahead, put it in my ass.

[1628] This is the problem.

[1629] The problem is, like, they're doing two shots of Ricea, and they're like, yeah, put it anywhere.

[1630] Yeah, exactly.

[1631] They're getting crazy.

[1632] And then, you know, some high school girl sees that and, like, is that what we're supposed to do?

[1633] Is that what we do?

[1634] Like, do we have to say we like that so that people like us?

[1635] Yes, and this is like a huge problem, and it makes me really upset.

[1636] Like, I feel really bad for girls who are growing up in this world.

[1637] Right around the time we started today, this is kind of like the news of the day online I'm seeing.

[1638] OnlyFand has announced they're going to ban sexually explicit videos.

[1639] Oh, okay.

[1640] I thought that was their whole business model.

[1641] That's what everyone's been discussing.

[1642] In the article, if you read into it, it does say what they're trying to get rid of is like a beastiality and rape and all sorts, like, everything that would be bad.

[1643] but it's all getting encompassed in this blanket statement.

[1644] I mean, they can't.

[1645] Do you think this has anything to do with Rachel Dolezel open up her old fans?

[1646] I think that's a very un, very bad timing for her.

[1647] No. He said it to me. I can't believe it took her so long, honestly.

[1648] And one of the things is like cooking and exercise, but also feet.

[1649] Yes, she did mention that.

[1650] Race faker.

[1651] Look at the Daily Beast's title.

[1652] Oh, my God.

[1653] Raced faker.

[1654] Rachel Dolezell's new side hustle, only fan.

[1655] I mean, I'm not saying that I support it, but it's like, I mean, she obviously lost access to almost any income.

[1656] So I'm saying I'm surprised it took her this long.

[1657] Look at what she used to look like.

[1658] How bizarre.

[1659] Like with her fake tan.

[1660] I feel bad for her.

[1661] Um, do you feel like what she does is any different than someone who identifies with a different gender?

[1662] Sex.

[1663] So gender and sex are not the same thing.

[1664] gender to me gender means masculinity or femininity so that's like referring to the roles that are assigned to people based on their sex so like those stereotypes where it's like so a feminine male his gender is female like a guy who's in a gay relationship but he's the wife I don't so I don't think that gender is a very useful concept okay let's just say sex okay but just to get away from that do you think that what she does what she does or did and she says she identifies with African Americans that's like the culture that she's and I don't I mean this is a very complex conversation but there racial dysphoria like there's gender dysphoria I mean maybe those people are crazy to you like but I don't you know like did you watch the documentary about her no okay it's good I can't I can't I can barely get through this HBO documentary on Q and on oh okay I watched that one have you see that yeah yeah I'm four episodes in.

[1665] It keeps going back and forth.

[1666] now I was, for a moment, I was thinking it was Steve Bannon.

[1667] But now I'm back to that fucking kid.

[1668] Well, keep at it.

[1669] It's a good, best of luck.

[1670] I, it's a good documentary.

[1671] it's, you know, it's sympathetic and deservedly so.

[1672] Like, she had a really hard childhood.

[1673] Like, there was abuse.

[1674] And, like, I think she just was seeking, and seeking and she found an identity and she also like she was doing good in that community she was she was the head of the NWACP like no it's not good to say that you're black when you're white but I mean she didn't actually do any harm by doing that and I do think that I mean race is not as black and white as sexes right like right because we all come from Africa like all human beings.

[1675] Yeah, and we're all like a crazy mix.

[1676] And also there isn't actually, I mean, there, you know, in Canada and in the United States, people act like there's this binary, like white versus black.

[1677] And, you know, whites are in power and black people don't have power and racism always goes in one direction.

[1678] And that's total bullshit.

[1679] Like, I mean, the history of the world shows otherwise.

[1680] Right.

[1681] But yeah, it's just, it's not a binary thing it's not black and white she wasn't trying to i don't think she was going out of her way to sort of like usurp a position that should have been for a black person i think she was looking for community and she was looking for purpose and trying to help and um and yeah and she was troubled like she probably has some like mental illness issues well she changed her name do you know what her new name is no you need to is it Colin no no Colin would be more realistic.

[1682] Is it Mark?

[1683] What is her new name?

[1684] It's like some, like African priest name.

[1685] It's the most ridiculous name.

[1686] Okay.

[1687] So she's a little bit crazy, but...

[1688] You need to see it.

[1689] I feel bad for it.

[1690] But she did it publicly.

[1691] She wanted to let everyone know.

[1692] Like it was...

[1693] That she's like a thing.

[1694] Officially.

[1695] Yeah, I mean, she's all in with this transracial thing.

[1696] Like, she's not abandoning it.

[1697] She's changed her name.

[1698] What is her name?

[1699] That was four days ago.

[1700] Four days ago.

[1701] People were falling out of planes.

[1702] Let it go.

[1703] It was four days ago.

[1704] Hanging on the tires.

[1705] Four days ago.

[1706] They're dead by now.

[1707] Sorry, that was crude.

[1708] No big deal.

[1709] No big deal.

[1710] Look at my orange skin.

[1711] Yeah.

[1712] They made them orange.

[1713] Did you notice that?

[1714] I think they're fucking with him.

[1715] I think he's on his way out.

[1716] I really do.

[1717] I think Michael Malice is correct.

[1718] Who will they put in now?

[1719] How about this new name?

[1720] Nakechi Amari Diallo.

[1721] Her new full name, Nakechi Amare Dialo.

[1722] It's a West African name that means gift of God.

[1723] Oh, no. Yeah, see?

[1724] I mean, poor lady.

[1725] Now I'm not on her team anymore.

[1726] Now I'm not on her side.

[1727] Okay, but she's mentally ill. She's troubled.

[1728] Sure.

[1729] But you like that.

[1730] That's okay.

[1731] I don't like it.

[1732] No. I feel bad for her.

[1733] Do you feel bad for trans people?

[1734] She doesn't have, sure, yes, if you genuine, if you're suffering because you, you hate your body, you feel so uncomfortable in your skin, of course I feel bad for you.

[1735] But do you think that should be okay?

[1736] Is it okay to be transracial?

[1737] No. But I feel bad for her.

[1738] She's not a threat to anybody.

[1739] Like there's a difference when you're changing legislation and policy and it's having like a really, really serious negative impact on half of the population versus.

[1740] one lady who's had a sad life and you know she's just trying to yeah that's a good point that's a good point so if it was like a major phenomenon and like people were losing uh access to like funding or jobs or whatever because you know white people were posing as black and getting funding instead or getting these positions instead or whatever it is like that's reasonable and really and again like you know this thing where like these men who are entering into women's spaces really are a threat to women like in a physical sense as well as in a political sense I don't think that that's again such a black and white issue when it comes to race has being kicked off of Twitter made you more free in terms of your ability to discuss things because you don't get the same sort of like instantaneous feedback on your ideas that you do with twitter which i think is in some ways positive like the discussions that you can have with people but in a lot of ways negative because a lot of what you're dealing with is just people complaining and criticizing and insulting and being like really shitty in a way that people generally don't do in real life they only do when they're hiding behind a screen name and only using text and not in front of a person so they don't get social cues and they know to get to see the impact that they're insulting statements have on this person's personality you know they're doing it like they're throwing bombs over a fence and they can't see what's on the other side i i mean i had a lot of support on twitter to be honest and i think that that was part of why they got rid of me like i think people were feeling emboldened by what I was saying and I was getting a lot of support and they were like I don't know who they is I don't know if it's like you know trans activists who had connections at Twitter or who worked there or you know whether it was the head of safety who's again I can't say her name you know if they were like oh she's getting too much traction and this is starting to like legitimize like I was talking about this stuff in a rational way right like I wasn't I wasn't being an asshole is that part of the problem yes yeah like I think that these questions that I was asking were legitimate in making people question this ideology, and I think they didn't want that, whoever they is.

[1741] But, like, so I actually didn't, I wasn't having a bad time on Twitter.

[1742] You know, like, I got a lot of shit, but, like, who cares?

[1743] Like, I feel like it's so blown out of proportion this idea that people are being devastated by online harassment.

[1744] I think that cancel culture can be really awful and ruin people's lives, but being called names on Twitter, I mean, who cares?

[1745] Just block them.

[1746] Like, somebody says, like, me and to you, somebody insults your appearance.

[1747] Even somebody threatens you, like, it's not as big a deal as people pretended as.

[1748] I mean, I've been threatened more than, like, most people in the world on the internet.

[1749] And I don't really care that much.

[1750] And part of it is probably that I'm used to it.

[1751] Part of it is that I think I just have a thick skin.

[1752] Like, as a person, I'm not a super, I'm not sensitive in that way.

[1753] Like, I'm not super upset by what people say to me. You're not fragile.

[1754] Yeah.

[1755] Yes, I'm not fragile.

[1756] I'll think you.

[1757] But so no, like it doesn't, it doesn't help.

[1758] It's been, it's been worse.

[1759] The only thing that's been good about being kicked off of Twitter is that I can have these conversations and that, you know what, like, it actually connected me with a whole bunch of people that I never would have connected with otherwise, you know, like people who are right wing, like people who I wrote off as like committed leftist and feminist.

[1760] Like, people like, like, I, Ben Shapiro called me after I got kicked off of Twitter and he was like, can I support you?

[1761] And I think he's a really nice guy.

[1762] And I never would have talked to him or considered that, you know, like, he's not just like an enemy to my cause.

[1763] And it made, it really shook up my ideas about politics and about this, like, left, right binary.

[1764] And, you know, made me very passionate about free speech.

[1765] and I wasn't before, and I feel bad about that.

[1766] And I've apologized about that publicly.

[1767] Like, I never really bothered.

[1768] I was never openly against free speech, but I never really bothered standing up for free speech.

[1769] I never thought about it much.

[1770] In Canada, we really don't.

[1771] And now I realize it's unfortunate that something like that would have to happen to me in order for me to realize how important it is and to stand up, but it did.

[1772] And it made me realize how awful and destructive and dangerous these corporate monopolies are, these big tech monopolies are and they are they're really fucking dangerous and a lot of people don't realize i agree and uh i think free speech is almost everything it's the only way we ever discuss things and figure out what's right and what's wrong and you got to let it sort itself out and if you don't if you just put the walls up and say you're kicked out of the kingdom like wow like you're especially you know we're not we're not talking about a small scale thing we're talking about multi -billion member thing.

[1773] We're talking about what essentially should be a utility.

[1774] It should be a public right to use these things to communicate.

[1775] And it's one thing if you're doxing people or harassing people, but if you're just discussing ideas, you should be able to discuss ideas openly and without fear of repercussion from the administrators who are essentially just appealing to one particular ideology and not supporting the other ideology at all.

[1776] It's fucking dangerous and it's unprecedented because there's never been a thing like this before.

[1777] And the people that will their side is supported by these conversations and these people getting censored, they're like, well, it's a private company.

[1778] They can do what they like.

[1779] It's a nonsense, horseshit argument.

[1780] This is not a private company.

[1781] This is essentially just like a utility.

[1782] It's massive.

[1783] There's way too many people and the impact that it has is so huge.

[1784] Here's how fucking ridiculous they are the Taliban's on Twitter and you're not and you're not I mean to be fair I am worse than the Taliban do you know how crazy that is the Taliban's on Twitter but little all you like she said him yeah I mean I like I know I I just think that and the private company argument is coming from leftists or progressives and it's like oh suddenly you're a fan of corporate monopolies like hilarious and what a joke like please you cannot in good faith pretend that this is just like a business like this is where conversations happen this is where journalism happens like I'm a journalist I don't actually produce very much journalism these days but like I'm a writer like I'm trained in journalism like this is my job like you can't it's very difficult to participate in public conversations and to do your job if you're like a media producer or a journalist without access to social media platforms.

[1785] Well, impossible now.

[1786] But you still have Instagram, right?

[1787] Well, yeah, but.

[1788] Do you have Facebook as well?

[1789] Yeah, but so I was just, I was really just using Twitter before I got kicked off because I don't, I mean, I honestly don't love social media, to be honest, and I really don't like Facebook at all.

[1790] So I didn't have a public Facebook account.

[1791] I didn't have a public Instagram account.

[1792] I didn't have a YouTube channel.

[1793] And then I got kicked off and was like, oh, shit.

[1794] put all your eggs in one basket yeah I never I was I was shocked I cried I'm not joking I cried when I got kicked off on Twitter well I was scared like I was like I'm how am I going to work like how am I going to make an income and I just didn't think that would happen like again I didn't think I was doing anything offensive I wasn't doing anything offensive but I just I didn't anticipate it like I remember somebody asking me John Kay who's a Canadian journalist and And he was like, well, you must have seen it coming.

[1795] And I was like, no, I was totally shocked.

[1796] And I was really upset and I was scared.

[1797] Well, they've ramped up their censorship to the point where Sean Baker, who is an advocate of the carnivore diet.

[1798] He's a guy who, he's like this very fit guy who's in his, I think he's 55 and, you know, posts these videos.

[1799] He's, he's an orthopedic surgeon.

[1800] I believe.

[1801] He's some sort of physician.

[1802] He's an actual, like, medical doctor.

[1803] And he believes that meat is the healthiest thing for people to eat.

[1804] It's a very controversial opinion.

[1805] Some people agree.

[1806] Some people disagree.

[1807] There's more than one doctor that agrees with them, though.

[1808] But meanwhile, he just got kicked off Twitter for this.

[1809] Ridiculous.

[1810] Like, they banned him.

[1811] They banned him from Twitter.

[1812] He's banned forever from Twitter.

[1813] They don't offer any explanation.

[1814] Crazy.

[1815] And most of his posts are just about meat, about eating meat, about how healthy meat is for you.

[1816] And obviously someone at Twitter finds that, whether it's a political perspective, a social perspective, whatever it is, they think that it's bad for the environment of the world.

[1817] They kicked them off Twitter.

[1818] So, I mean, you've talked to these guys.

[1819] Like, what do you think?

[1820] Like, you had Jack Dorsey here and, oh, my God.

[1821] Please let me learn how to say her name.

[1822] Vija?

[1823] And like, are they lying?

[1824] Like, I felt when they came, when they talked about me here, I thought they were lying about me. I was like, you know, Jack Dorsey might be out to lunch and may not have known what happened to me, but I think she knows and she lied.

[1825] Like, you know, they essentially implied that I had been harassing people.

[1826] Yeah.

[1827] Like, oh, well, you know, there's a long history of her, like, harassing trans people.

[1828] I was like, yeah, that's what I do with my time.

[1829] I harassed trans people on the internet.

[1830] Like, you know.

[1831] They have to just.

[1832] justify their censorship position like is it just sort of when when people like him are being banned for advocating an all meat diet or whatever he's doing is he advocating an all meat diet yeah yeah i mean i've heard of this before and i know people who've i mean i guess jordan peterson was doing that yeah right um like is it politically motivated or is just like you got reported one too many times or they're like oh this is a not progressive position so we've got to get rid of him i think that's it yeah i think that's it he's he's aggressive in his evangelism for it and i think they just decided at one point in time that they just were going to get rid of them and now he's banned permanently it's it's fucking wild are you suing them are you suing twitter well we did but we lost um and we lost because of section 230 um which is supposed to protect platforms from being you know essentially held accountable for what people post on their platform.

[1833] So, like, I have a website.

[1834] So if somebody posted a comment, FeministCcurrent.

[1835] Feministcurrent .com or dotCA .com.

[1836] Okay.

[1837] And then I also have a podcast and a YouTube show.

[1838] It's called The Same Drugs with Megan Murphy.

[1839] I'm Megan Murphy.

[1840] The same drugs?

[1841] It's like a shout out to Chance the Rapper and who I'm a big fan of his and I really like that song.

[1842] But also sort of, I felt like there was some kind of, like, zeitgeist thing where everybody was changing their minds in the same direction at the same time, starting to, like, question, not everyone, obviously, but question orthodoxies and the kind of interviews.

[1843] The same drugs with Megan Mercky.

[1844] Conversations outside the algorithm.

[1845] Thanks, Jamie.

[1846] And you got your hoops on and everything.

[1847] Look at you.

[1848] Yeah, yeah.

[1849] That's me. That's what I look like.

[1850] That is you.

[1851] You're here right now.

[1852] I'm looking at you.

[1853] I've watched many of you, too.

[1854] videos and you're you're very interesting that's one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you okay you know you're when you're portrayed one way as being this like hostile uh disagreeable uh unreasonable person who's harassing people and then I actually see you talk and I'll it's it's frustrating I hate that I hate when people are misrepresented it drives me nuts um it's just it's it's rude and it's it's diametrically opposed to free speech right free speech is supposed to be about a person expressing themselves and I want to know what they really think and then I want to know is there a counter to that and who's right and let these people talk but when you misrepresent someone and you taint them and you change who they are you're you've already poisoned the argument right and I felt with like I didn't know about you until I found out you got kicked off a Twitter and then someone let me know that you got kicked off a Twitter for saying a woman isn't a man and I was like that is the most fucking ridiculous thing I've ever heard and then I heard that you know I tried to do some research on you found out you're a feminist and I'm like so you're but she's right like we're talking about biology like what do you say like what are you allowed to say and why are you not allowed to say that like what is What are you trying to protect by stopping this from being said?

[1855] And why can't we have that said and then have someone counter that in a way that's intelligent and robust?

[1856] And let's have a debate and discussion and see if there's common ground that we can reach.

[1857] There's some sort of a reasonable, amicable sort of a workaround for this.

[1858] But instead, banner.

[1859] Yeah.

[1860] And this has been one of my biggest frustrations is that no one will debate me. So these people who say that I'm hateful or bigoted and completely, the misrepresentation thing completely drives me crazy.

[1861] I can't lie.

[1862] I don't think I'm ever going to get over it.

[1863] Not when I'm misrepresented, not when other people are.

[1864] You were talking about these like Spotify employees who are trying to like get rid of you, which is of course ridiculous.

[1865] But it's like, do you listen to this show?

[1866] Like how could they say, like, I don't actually believe they listen to your show.

[1867] Just like I don't believe that the people who misrepresent me are actually listening to what I'm saying because I don't know how they could listen to what I'm saying and then say those things about me. They don't care.

[1868] Yeah.

[1869] It's not, they don't care to be truthful.

[1870] They care.

[1871] They have an ideology.

[1872] They have very, there's very clear borders of what's allowed and what's not allowed.

[1873] You stepped outside that border by saying a woman is never a man. They're like, that bitch, you know, like, yeah, how dare you.

[1874] Clutch those pearls.

[1875] You've fucked up their little narrative But it's the wrong way to approach any debatable issue And this is clearly A confusing, nuanced, debatable issue Well, and so This booze is really good, by the way I'm really enjoying it I'm trying to like American whiskey It's still lost it Right here, baby Okay, water whiskey Yeah, fuck all this nonsense You're drinking paint dinner I mean, more than one thing can be good.

[1876] This is good if the apocalypse happens because I think you could use it as gas.

[1877] Okay, well, great.

[1878] The apocalypse is coming, so you're welcome for your gift.

[1879] I don't even like smell in that bottom when I pushed it.

[1880] Woffed it up into me. I'll never drink that again.

[1881] That's fine.

[1882] Thank you for that gift.

[1883] Thank you very much.

[1884] You're welcome.

[1885] Okay, so what, like, nobody, like people, these people won't debate me. Like, people have tried to set up debates between me. Like, the monk debate.

[1886] the person to debate on the other side.

[1887] Who would be the person to debate you on the other side?

[1888] Well, it could, I mean, anybody who advocates gender identity ideology, right?

[1889] Like, anybody who thinks that the concept of changing sex is legitimate, anyone really who thinks the concept of, like, you know, of transgender in general I would be interested in debating because I don't think that is a rational concept.

[1890] and nobody will do it.

[1891] And to me, that speaks volumes about their position.

[1892] Because I would debate anybody.

[1893] You know, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

[1894] I've been wrong lots of times before.

[1895] I've changed my mind about lots of things.

[1896] I don't find it embarrassing.

[1897] I don't, you know, like, I'm happy to change my mind.

[1898] If I change my mind, I'm like, right, I learned something new.

[1899] Other people don't like it when I change my mind.

[1900] Yeah.

[1901] That's okay.

[1902] They're like, we thought you were our.

[1903] keep saying the same thing over and over and over again because otherwise we're going to have to rethink what we're saying over and over and over again.

[1904] Well, you can't be married to your ideas.

[1905] You just can't because then you will be literally attached to the first ideas you've ever had.

[1906] The whole idea about being a human being is you learn and you grow and you see things from different perspectives and it's one of the most incredibly beneficial things that I've gotten out of this podcast is that I get to talk to so many different people.

[1907] Totally.

[1908] With so many different backgrounds, so many different perspectives and it's informed me and changed my perspective on things and it's made me a much more nuanced thinker because I get to see things from other people's eyes I get to listen to their arguments I get to hear their impassioned pleas and go oh that makes sense okay I see why you say that okay I didn't think about it that way I love that I love when someone says something I go oh okay all right I mean, it's an ego battle, right?

[1909] Because you don't want to be wrong.

[1910] But you got to know when the idea that you were attached to is a bad idea.

[1911] Don't be married to them.

[1912] These are not, you are not your ideas.

[1913] You're a thinking organism.

[1914] And when ideas come across you, they should be carefully examined.

[1915] And any of them that are forcing you to adopt them without any scrutiny, those are dangerous.

[1916] These dogmatic positions that you see where people rigidly adhere to ideologies it's one of the reasons why free speech is so fucking important because those things are how you lead to dictatorship.

[1917] Those things are how you lead to communism.

[1918] Those things are how you lead to a literal inability to debate, discuss and examine things because some things cannot be discussed, the thing that cannot be said, the ideas that cannot be examined.

[1919] Those are bullshit.

[1920] it's terrible when you can't count yourself as like an intelligent person or a critical thinker if you won't do that if you won't challenge your own ideas or let your ideas be challenged and your idea is not valid right like if you're not going to challenge your own ideas and if you're not going to allow others to challenge your ideas then your your idea is not valid like it has to be you know put to the test essentially and it is it's incredible to me how few people understand that and think that what strength is is to just stick doggedly to the thing that you've always said like I'm not you've been saying the same thing for 20 years like hopefully you've changed your mind about things since you were 20 years old and now you're 40 I mean that's what growth and wisdom is I mean how sad and pathetic if you still believe all the same things you did in your 20s yeah but they do they see it as as a form of weakness I guess or you know again like I I know that I'm being repetitive but it's like I really I came from that place where you know I did post like hyperbolic statements on Twitter and I was kind of black and white in my thinking in terms of certain issues and I did think that people who saw things differently were bad or dumb or whatever and you know having nuanced conversations is so much harder and for whatever reason so much more controversial and you get attacked so much more I get I mean you do of course too but like I get attacked for having conversations with people even if I don't agree with them right just because I'm having the conversation with them yeah but you platform them yeah and the and people assume that I agree with them because I'm having the conversation with them and I'm not being mean to them or I'm not like you're a terrible person I'm like but they're not a terrible person we just have different ideas the ben Shapiro example is a good one yeah like Ben's a friend of mine I like him a lot I disagree with you with him on many, many, many things.

[1921] But I like him.

[1922] I think he's a very friendly guy.

[1923] He's a very nice guy.

[1924] And I like talking to him.

[1925] I really like him too.

[1926] And he's super smart.

[1927] Like, yeah, of course I don't agree with him on all things.

[1928] We're very different people.

[1929] But I think he's super smart.

[1930] I think he's super ethical.

[1931] He's legit.

[1932] Like, I have so much more respect for somebody who is honest, unauthentic and, you know, rational versus somebody who's going to doggedly stick to ideology no matter what, even if they don't believe it even if they're proven wrong um even if it doesn't make sense like it's not a coherent argument um you know like i don't i don't want that i'm not interested in that i'm interested in truth i'm interested in authenticity and if that makes me which is what everybody else says that makes me like right wing or like a ball palmer or a sim so be it a female simb a horrofobe a horrofoam that's my favorite i've just i learned two new terms today because of you ball palmer and horophobe And we've been introduced to racia Yes I've learned a lot All right One more time Jamie Put up her Her show The same drugs It's got a cool Who do that artwork for you I like that My friend Carrie Carrie did a good job Thanks Carrie The same drugs With Megan Murphy Is this on iTunes And Spotify's Yeah it's on everything All that stuff Yeah And you're on Instagram What's your Instagram Megan Emily Murphy and Facebook same and Facebook same shit not on Twitter not on Twitter oh come on Twitter come on Twitter let her back let me back everyone wants me back I think now it's just like a contest of like they're just being stubborn they're like nah but the concept of like no forgiveness no redemption ever it's like God damn it really for saying a woman is or a man is not a woman admit this was a stupid decision come on Jack get your shit together Jack I don't think it's his, I think it's, they're, honestly, I think they're managing at scale.

[1933] That's what I think it is.

[1934] I think there's too many fucking people on that.

[1935] And it's impossible.

[1936] And the people that are, like, pulling the ban hammers, there's so many of them.

[1937] There are so many people working over there that are doing that.

[1938] The idea that there's, like, one person who reviews thousands and thousands and thousands of human beings that are stepping outside the lines.

[1939] Yeah, those quick decisions, like, bad, good, bad, good, right, wrong, great, right, right, right.

[1940] Ban forever.

[1941] Yeah.

[1942] He promotes steak.

[1943] Ban them.

[1944] Yeah.

[1945] Yeah.

[1946] All right.

[1947] Megan, I enjoyed our conversation.

[1948] I appreciate you very much.

[1949] Thank you so much.

[1950] Let's do it again.

[1951] Totally, I would love to.

[1952] Thank you.

[1953] Thank you.

[1954] Thank you.

[1955] Bye, everybody.

[1956] Bye.