223 - Live at the Paramount Theatre in Oakland (2018)

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Oakland.

[2] Holy shit.

[3] Holy shit.

[4] Oakland doesn't fuck around.

[5] No, they really don't.

[6] They're not known for not fucking around.

[7] That's for sure.

[8] Can I see this cat pillow, please?

[9] Holy shit.

[10] It's her own cat.

[11] She brought us a pillow of her cat.

[12] George gave it back.

[13] Sorry.

[14] I guess we rejected that.

[15] gift.

[16] I thought it, oh, I didn't think it was a gift.

[17] I thought it was an emotional support cat pillow.

[18] Is that what it is?

[19] Yeah.

[20] This is truly what I want to start bringing on planes just to freak fucking everyone out.

[21] A big stuff cat?

[22] Uh -huh.

[23] You know when you're on Southwest and they have to choose a seat and they're like, oh shit, not the woman with a fucking cat pillow.

[24] And I put it in the seat and I'm like, my cat's sitting here.

[25] You're petting it.

[26] Yeah.

[27] Jojo doesn't want you to sit in the I'll see.

[28] A little jojo.

[29] Jojo.

[30] Jojo.

[31] I had to name that cat so fast on stage in front of all of you, and I did it.

[32] Professional.

[33] Thank you.

[34] It's just, I picked the same name and said it twice.

[35] It's not that big of a deal, actually.

[36] If you break it down creatively.

[37] Eric, Eric.

[38] My cat, Eric, Eric, doesn't want you to sit here.

[39] Two names, Beth.

[40] Just two names.

[41] 20 years of, this is what, 20 years of comedy.

[42] Yeah.

[43] We'll get you.

[44] Double up and go forward.

[45] it.

[46] That's what I say.

[47] That's all comedy.

[48] It's funny.

[49] You guys, this theater's humongous.

[50] It's crazy.

[51] You didn't build it?

[52] If it's not haunted, then I mean, I will cry.

[53] Then what are you even doing?

[54] Then how do I?

[55] I was changing in like this big, like, vintage, gorgeous, ornate, um, changing area and the sink had like, it had like powdered soap.

[56] It's like really old tiny.

[57] Very old fashioned.

[58] And I was really hoping some like perverted ghost was watching me. Change.

[59] She's like in a bridal gown, but she's also like, ooh, underpants.

[60] Oh, old, new fashion underpants.

[61] Oh, those are so much smaller than the ones I have on.

[62] That go from my neck to my ankles.

[63] Here, can I ask a question about this idea?

[64] Why did I need her to be a bride in a theater?

[65] It doesn't make sense at all.

[66] No. No. I have a production of a name of a play that's got it.

[67] The Bride Who Died.

[68] Oh, that's, you know, that famous play.

[69] The Bride Who Died.

[70] The Bride Who Died?

[71] The Bride Who Died.

[72] By Eric Eric.

[73] By Eric.

[74] The great playwright.

[75] Jojo.

[76] Jojo.

[77] Guys, welcome.

[78] This is my favorite murder.

[79] This is Georgia Hard Start.

[80] Thank you.

[81] We're so excited.

[82] We haven't even been in Oakland since.

[83] our first tour.

[84] That's right.

[85] Am I making that up?

[86] You were there.

[87] Yeah.

[88] I know.

[89] It's been a while.

[90] It doesn't make sense because we actually like it here.

[91] I know.

[92] Stephen, cut that, please.

[93] You know, all those other cities like, no, Stephen's...

[94] He's not here.

[95] He's not here.

[96] No. He's not real, actually.

[97] I know.

[98] Tonight's the night you find out.

[99] He's a ghost bride.

[100] He's a ghost bride.

[101] That edits our, records and edits our show.

[102] He doesn't understand modern underwear.

[103] It's real weird.

[104] It's kind of weird, actually.

[105] Last night, speaking of cities, we were in Sacramento.

[106] Good segue.

[107] Speaking of subjects.

[108] You know how we like to talk about things.

[109] Nouns, yes.

[110] And places.

[111] Yep.

[112] Yeah.

[113] Guys, it was Sacramento.

[114] Do we tell him?

[115] But.

[116] Do we break it to them?

[117] Paul Holes was there.

[118] Yeah, Paul Hose was there.

[119] I know.

[120] When your friend was like, ours, let's just see them in Oakland.

[121] Yeah, that was you.

[122] Let's stay in Balejo.

[123] That's you.

[124] Whatever, I don't know.

[125] I just picked a day.

[126] I live in the Bay Area.

[127] I'm better than Sacramento.

[128] No, you're fucking not.

[129] We've never talked shit on Oakland.

[130] Until tonight.

[131] Until tonight, we do it to you.

[132] Yeah, I had a lot to make up to Sacramento for, because I've just been consistently talking shit about that city since 1990 and they weren't stoked about it so I gave them a little here shut up gift that's what I call it shut up now gift it was a we got to say whatever we want now gift because this guy solved the golden state killer case it's pretty cool it's pretty rad yeah my niece Nora's here tonight.

[133] So don't say we never gave you anything.

[134] Ladies and gentlemen.

[135] We can't stay off the stage.

[136] But Kilgareh, talent, it's just.

[137] Here's what I love.

[138] Backstage, I was like, hey, do you want to come out on stage?

[139] Do you want to see what it's like?

[140] No, no, no, no, no. I go, you can just, like, it'll be fun.

[141] You can do like a cartwheel or something.

[142] She's like, I don't know.

[143] I have to practice.

[144] Because I was like, how funny it would be if she accidentally broke her wrist.

[145] Not funny, funny, but of all the things.

[146] Weird funny.

[147] You know.

[148] Ironically funny.

[149] Not that funny.

[150] I'd sign her cast.

[151] But I thought we were going to have to, like, tee it up, and then beg her to come out.

[152] It seemed like it was going to be a problem.

[153] And she came without, just because when she heard her name, I bet my sister was standing backstage going, go now and smile, act like you like it.

[154] Your sister just becomes a nightmare mom all of a sudden.

[155] She's, she's there.

[156] Do you want to show them?

[157] Oh, this is a picture that I. showed in Sacramento last night, is my way of explaining why I hate it so much.

[158] But then I thought you guys might want to see it too because it's fun.

[159] Look at us.

[160] 1988 slash nine.

[161] I don't like it here.

[162] It's too hot.

[163] That face.

[164] I mean, you're fucking, you're Kelly Bundy.

[165] Thank you.

[166] Like, truly, like, that's, I wanted to be Kelly Bundy.

[167] It is so bad.

[168] And you were just, like, effortlessly.

[169] Well, do you mean because of the rage?

[170] Yeah.

[171] Kelly Bundy in the biggest t -shirt she can find, A. I just love that I was clearly...

[172] That looks like a solid three hours of makeup just to stand in a dorm room, a dorm room with, like, fucking Coors light bottles all around me. It's like, what was the effort for?

[173] And then an effort, too, and then being angry that you're there.

[174] That's right.

[175] I get ready to then act like I want to leave.

[176] That was my whole kind of my whole approach.

[177] And that's my friend Patty Riley, who I went to college with.

[178] The reason I went to Sack State is because Patty Riley was going to Sack State.

[179] And she goes, hey, will you go to Sacks State with me?

[180] And I was like, all right, that sounds good.

[181] And then that was my roommate, Shelley Wilson, who just, we got paired together randomly because I didn't turn the paperwork in in time to be Patty Riley's roommate.

[182] long and very typical story so shelly was from Modesto and she was like Reba McIntyre's number one fan and here I come with my echo in the Bunnyman poster like let's get modern we had fun is good oh did she looks like someone you gave her first cigarette too which I'm not talking shit I have plenty of those friends in my fucking wake she well she partied but she just wanted to get in there and get her business degree and get the fuck out like most people at that's good for her whereas I was trying to develop a body of creative work stuff to tell stories about later on stage in Oakland for example what we love is that maybe some of you were like born in the 80s and you don't know that back then they were born in the 90s they were all born in the 90s they were all born in the 90s In the 90s.

[183] Really?

[184] And they're here, they got in?

[185] They're old enough to, like, vote.

[186] What?

[187] Oh, please vote.

[188] Oh, yeah.

[189] Wait.

[190] For good people.

[191] No one's saying that part of the vote message.

[192] Please don't vote for fucking Nazi douchebags.

[193] Just now.

[194] Just right now.

[195] You know.

[196] Just at the moment.

[197] You can do what you want later.

[198] I forgot what I was going.

[199] Oh, oh, this is one other picture to show you.

[200] Okay.

[201] Because I'm calling this my...

[202] my tour food diary, because sometimes I make good decisions when I'm in a hotel room by myself at 1 .30 in the morning going, shoot, I didn't eat dinner.

[203] It gets really weird, you guys, the stuff we eat.

[204] And if we order food before they, like, we'll order food and it'll be ready, you'll take it back to the hotel, and then we'll make good decisions because we're not, like, starving in the moment.

[205] Yeah, so I'm like, oh, Caesar salad, no dressing.

[206] Thank you.

[207] You can keep the croutons for yourself because I don't do bread.

[208] Should it like that?

[209] But if it's 1 .30 in the morning, you realize, oh, shit, this hotel has an all -night menu, which I didn't realize I bolted out of bed, and I was like, let's do this thing.

[210] What the fuck?

[211] It's mac and cheese off the children's menu.

[212] No, we know what it is.

[213] Oh, you do?

[214] So you're recognizing that those are goldfish on top.

[215] Oh, my God.

[216] Children's goldfish.

[217] Wait, did that come on it?

[218] Or did you just open the minibar and dump whatever came out?

[219] No, no, no. Oh, it was like that.

[220] The chef made it that way.

[221] Holy shit.

[222] I think the word chef is a little bit.

[223] You're giving him a...

[224] Guy Thiery got a job in Sacramento.

[225] And he bamed the shit out of that mac and cheese, you guys.

[226] Oh, my God.

[227] It looks terrible.

[228] Was it amazing, though?

[229] It was amazing.

[230] I bet it was.

[231] Like, truthfully, I bet it was.

[232] Right?

[233] Good?

[234] It was.

[235] It was amazing.

[236] I, listen, I took the, lid off and I started laughing.

[237] I put the lid back on like, I'm an adult.

[238] And then I walked like four feet away and then I was like, you know what?

[239] And I sat, I pulled my chair up to the tray that was on like the weird desk and I ate directly under the TV so I couldn't even see it.

[240] I was just like, let's focus and let's get this done.

[241] And let's try to grow out of this dress before the tourism.

[242] What am I doing?

[243] It's not a good idea.

[244] Anyway, get the children's mac and cheese at the Sacramento, whatever, whatever.

[245] Where were we?

[246] I don't know.

[247] I don't know at Sacramento.

[248] I don't either.

[249] Blocked out.

[250] Do you want to talk about your Halloween dress?

[251] My Halloween dress.

[252] You guys can't tell there's little skulls and cross ones on it.

[253] And a nice big hole right here.

[254] Yeah.

[255] for your for your for your Kleenex and your loose change it's my new pocket yeah there we go okay yeah and just stuff it in there right absolutely now you're free to gesture wildly well you tell a story I was so encumbered earlier with my tissue yeah not anymore merely yeah what about you encumbered freedom freedom oh this old thing I just have pockets, that's all.

[256] What microphone?

[257] I don't know what you're talking about.

[258] These pockets almost go through to like a full pouch.

[259] Like a kangaroo.

[260] I think I'm in an email Land's End and let them know that that's what they should be doing.

[261] Keep your extra goldfish crackers in there and show.

[262] Or just hold your own hand, whatever you mean.

[263] In your dress.

[264] If you're feeling weird.

[265] Should we sit down?

[266] Should we?

[267] Oh.

[268] Thank you.

[269] Thank you.

[270] So much.

[271] Last night, bless Sacramento's heart.

[272] They didn't, I told you guys, this is a cocktail table.

[273] That's what this means.

[274] Someone didn't know what that meant.

[275] And we had the cutest little tiny chairs.

[276] It was very cute.

[277] It looked like it was kids furniture from pottery barn.

[278] You know, and they're like, we're going to make furniture that looks real for children.

[279] And so they feel like human beings.

[280] And so their parents spend a lot of money.

[281] Yeah.

[282] It was that with a black tablecloth over the top, and we're just like, yeah, we can't sit at that.

[283] They'll laugh at us for the wrong reason.

[284] This is a true crime comedy podcast.

[285] Yes.

[286] Have you heard?

[287] We're breaking all the rules in combining true crime and comedy.

[288] And that can be difficult sometimes for people, especially those of you who have never heard this podcast.

[289] You have no idea what's going on right now.

[290] Usher's.

[291] You're like, is there always a 12 -year -old that does a cartwheel?

[292] What's happening?

[293] Should she be listening to that cursing?

[294] Doesn't this seem wrong?

[295] So anyway, if you've never heard this podcast before, you don't know us, you don't know how we do it.

[296] It might be hard to, I hate that.

[297] She's a drag -along.

[298] I mean, I'm really, mid -monologue, right?

[299] trying to be serious about how hard it can be for people sometimes to hold too complex ideas simultaneously or let somebody else do it for them it's a control issue sometimes it's a cultural issue about the patriarchy whatever comes into mind sometimes people hear that we might be conversationally joking but also talking about horrible human loss and They get offended by that idea.

[300] They don't like it, and they think it's wrong.

[301] And so for those people, we honestly just want to say, get the fuck out right now.

[302] It's important.

[303] True.

[304] Like, we'd rather you'd just take a nap.

[305] You can just take a nap.

[306] We can't see your face.

[307] If you just took a nap right now, it'd be fine.

[308] Or if you're really offended, you could actually turn your phone flashlight on, hold it over your face, and make sure we know how mad you are.

[309] Sure.

[310] Or how sleeping you are.

[311] That's fine, too.

[312] Did you bring your cap pillow?

[313] Because you're going to need it for you know.

[314] Yeah, this is a cat pillow situation.

[315] As someone who can fucking take a nap anytime, anywhere, I'm going to, this cat pillow is a game changer for me. There was a woman in the meet and greet last night who changed my life a little when she handed me this bag and said, I work for, I have a company called Adventure Cats.

[316] And I was like, well, what the fuck is that?

[317] And she was like, I train people how to safely take their cats out into the world.

[318] And here's some supplies.

[319] and I was like I was about to leave and just go home and go into the world and go find go get my cats and be like it's adventure time Elvis me and dot hop into our wagon we're gonna go live our Vince too we're gonna go live he's invited he's invited God I miss that lady all together are you sure she was really there I don't know she was really just telling me some crazy some story about her job and I was like Adventure cats Just made shit up of what I wanted to hear.

[320] She was like, I'm a nurse.

[321] Adventure cats?

[322] What?

[323] No. You're training cats to do what, you say?

[324] I deliver babies.

[325] Yes, that's a good sign for comedy.

[326] Our baby jokes are synced.

[327] It's horror periods.

[328] This is the comedy version of the Red Tent.

[329] We're all on the same cycle of comedy.

[330] Yes.

[331] Yes, cheer for menstruation.

[332] Menstruation.

[333] It's a part of life.

[334] Nora, get out here.

[335] Let's tell us.

[336] Let's tell Nora about her period.

[337] She's gone now, by the way.

[338] So she's not, I mean, truly, she, her, once we sat down, sweet Laura was like, let's get her out of here.

[339] Yeah, she shipped her out.

[340] I can beat myself now.

[341] I almost have a panic attack.

[342] You can F and S it all over the place.

[343] Nice.

[344] Good action on that.

[345] She really is not listening anymore, so don't worry.

[346] We're not that terrible.

[347] Well, well, my nephew, who's a, once I was in the car with him, and he was like, I want to listen to your podcast.

[348] And I was like, okay, you could listen to the beginning, but not the murder part.

[349] And immediately, I'm like, fucking con. Oh, I'm like, never mind.

[350] Sorry, shit.

[351] Don't tell you your thing.

[352] It is really funny when, like, a bunch of my relatives came last night.

[353] A bunch of my relatives are coming tomorrow.

[354] And they always, like, especially the ones that are like my aunts and those stuff, they were like, congratulations.

[355] They have no fucking clue what to say.

[356] They're just like, we thought you.

[357] We explained to you this wasn't allowed.

[358] That was colorful.

[359] Well.

[360] At least it wasn't my dad in New York when we did the beacon.

[361] Like the beacon theater is a big fucking deal.

[362] And I flew my dad out to New York and I put him up in a hotel and I'm like, you'll finally be proud of me. And afterwards, it comes backstage and what does he say?

[363] He comes to the dressing room and goes, that was cute.

[364] And I was like, get out.

[365] I don't care if you're her father.

[366] Get the fuck out of here.

[367] Well, that was cute.

[368] No, it was not cute in any way.

[369] There's nothing cute about it.

[370] That's completely the wrong adjective.

[371] And that's why I keep trying to get his approval.

[372] No, it's fine.

[373] People get so upset.

[374] His name is absolutely Marty.

[375] That's correct.

[376] Marty!

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[397] Goodbye.

[398] Who goes first tonight?

[399] I believe it's you.

[400] Okay, great.

[401] I'll do it too.

[402] Let's kick it off.

[403] And I'll do it.

[404] It's time.

[405] Guys, tonight I'm going to do suspects of the zodiac.

[406] Whoa!

[407] Because we all know, it's like such a fucking bummer story, and he's, like, not caught, so it, like, just sucks, right?

[408] It's not fun.

[409] But so I'm doing a few of, oh, I think are the top suspects.

[410] It'll be great.

[411] We'll all be here for it.

[412] Great.

[413] Did you hear them clapping?

[414] I was trying to sell it.

[415] I know.

[416] They're fine with it.

[417] Okay, great.

[418] Oh, I'm with you.

[419] So.

[420] Okay.

[421] Here we are.

[422] Picture if you will.

[423] Let's do a little overview first.

[424] Okay.

[425] You guys know him.

[426] The Zodiac Killer has been linked to five murders, was linked to five murders in a 10 -month spree between December of 1968 and October of 1969.

[427] That's a quick, fucking period.

[428] Yeah, he got it done.

[429] But it's suspected he could have been responsible for dozens more, and he claimed 37 murders in letters that he wrote.

[430] to the newspapers, you know.

[431] We've all seen Zodiac.

[432] Beautiful movie.

[433] Gorgeous.

[434] Let's watch it right now.

[435] If you get a chance, wouldn't that be amazing?

[436] We're like, we're not going to tell you the story.

[437] We're going to go ahead and let the Finch tell you the story.

[438] Cinematic.

[439] And then we're going to talk over it the whole time.

[440] So the first murder that's attributed to the Zodiac took place on the night of December 20th, 1968, when 17 -year -old David Faraday and his 16 -year -old Betty Lou Jensen were shocked.

[441] to death, near their car in a remote spot in Lake Herman Road, on the outskirts of Vallejo, California.

[442] No -uh.

[443] Nobody lives there.

[444] I might need some help with names, by the way.

[445] At the time, police were unable to determine a motive for the crime or a suspect.

[446] They were, fucking, they had no idea.

[447] The next murder attributed to the Zodiac took place early in the morning of July 5th, 1969, when Darlene Farron, who was 22, and her boyfriend, Mike Maggio.

[448] Maggio.

[449] Maggio.

[450] Thank you.

[451] 19.

[452] I didn't really say anything.

[453] Totally meant to look that up.

[454] But this ponytail took time.

[455] It looks French, so I think you did it, right?

[456] Thank you.

[457] Okay.

[458] They were sitting in a park car in a remote Vallejo location of Blue Rock Springs Park.

[459] You know.

[460] And their approach for the man with a flashlight, the figure fired multiple shots at them, killing Farron and seriously wounding Maggio.

[461] Then on July 5, 1969, at 12 .40 a .m., a man phoned.

[462] The Vallejo Police, that same night, I should have just said that.

[463] We'll edit as we go.

[464] Okay, early that morning, so then this guy fucking gets on the horn, and he's like, the Vallejo Police Department calls him reports and claims responsibility for the attack, and he takes credits for the murder of Jensen and Faraday six and a half months earlier.

[465] So this is like their first break in the case.

[466] The police traced the call to a phone booth at a gas station at Springs Road, and Toulogne, Toulomone.

[467] I had no idea what you was saying.

[468] into another road, about three -tenths of a mile from Farrens from their home and only a few blocks from the Vallejo department, but there's nobody there once they get there.

[469] Maggio describes as attacker as 26 to 30 years old, 195 to 200 pounds, possibly more, about 5 '8, white male with short, light brown, curly hair.

[470] Then on the evening of September 27, 1969, Cecilia Shepard and Brian Hartnell are chilling out on the shore of Lake Beriesa.

[471] Yeah.

[472] Thank you.

[473] Oh, my God.

[474] Remember when we partied there?

[475] Cheese sandwiches and wasn't so much fun.

[476] Said that guy had that boat.

[477] That's in Napa County.

[478] When a man...

[479] It's great grapes.

[480] Uh -huh.

[481] Wine.

[482] You guys have wine.

[483] I love wine.

[484] A man about 511 weighing more than 170 pounds with combed greasy brown hair approaches them.

[485] He's wearing, oh God, this is like the scariest part of this fucking movie.

[486] He's wearing a black executioner's type of.

[487] hood with clip on sunglasses over the eye holes.

[488] I didn't know that part.

[489] Well, Wikipedia is...

[490] No, but I mean, I'm not doubting it.

[491] I am now.

[492] I went in there and thought I would lighten it up a little bit.

[493] No, that's that part in the movie because it's daytime, right?

[494] And then suddenly they're like, why is that man approaching us?

[495] Why is the man, oh, with a hood on?

[496] With an executioner's style hood on.

[497] This is not going to be chill.

[498] Clip on sunglasses.

[499] That's even scarier.

[500] I hope they left that part in the movie.

[501] and a bib -like device on his chest that had a white three -by -three cross -circle symbol on it.

[502] He tied them up and brutally sabbed them and then scrawled a message for police on the car door before leaving that, like, said what dates he had done the other killings, like showing that he was involved.

[503] Shepard died of her wound shortly after, but Brian survived.

[504] Two weeks later, on October 11, 1969, the Zodiac shot 29 -year -old taxi driver, Paul Stein, in San Francisco's Presidio Heights neighborhood, Uh, the mur, it's really expensive.

[505] Nobody is from there.

[506] Not a single person.

[507] You're so right.

[508] Nobody fucking cheered for Pacific Heights.

[509] What, you guys can't pay $9 ,000 a month for rent?

[510] Oh, I've got my North Face jacket.

[511] I can live anywhere I want.

[512] I made up an app.

[513] I sell apps.

[514] I made up an app.

[515] You know that app that does that thing?

[516] It's the app that teaches you what North Face jacket you should buy for yourself.

[517] Congratulations.

[518] Great.

[519] Go have fun.

[520] in the Presidio.

[521] Good.

[522] It's kind of boring.

[523] I don't know.

[524] I don't think I ever hung out there when I lived here.

[525] It says the girl who lived in like the sunset, which is like the saddest.

[526] Sorry.

[527] Saddest best.

[528] The saddest best.

[529] Saddest most fun.

[530] Taking that hell terrible.

[531] The sunset is where you go to like write your poetry and look at fog.

[532] Yeah.

[533] That's where you go to be like, I'm lightly depressed, but let's really get into this thing.

[534] Let's explore this depression.

[535] in a real way.

[536] Okay.

[537] And suddenly I'm having this flashback of my actual depression.

[538] Come back.

[539] No, come back.

[540] We have this show to do.

[541] It was like 2000s.

[542] Okay.

[543] But, but, but, So in the Presidio neighborhood, the murder was initially deemed a robbery until the San Francisco Chronicle received a letter claiming from the zodiac saying, yo, I did it.

[544] Great part of the movie because they followed the letter from the mail basket all the way in.

[545] to the editor's office.

[546] Is that the music?

[547] No, that's The Wizard of Us.

[548] Yeah, it's a different movie.

[549] Close, though.

[550] It's similar.

[551] It's like the letters riding a bicycle and coming to take her their dog away.

[552] Right.

[553] Emotionally.

[554] Psychologically.

[555] Yeah.

[556] At least five other murders have been tentatively linked to the Zodiac Killer, including the 1963 shooting of Robert Domingus and Linda Edwards near Santa Barbara, California, and the 1966 stabbing death of college student Sherry Joe Bates in Riverside, California.

[557] Over the years, Zodiac, there's these, you guys, these people are, it's like they're, you know, really into true crime or something.

[558] Oh my God, so weird.

[559] I know.

[560] But they're like obsessed with Zodiac, and they suggested dozens of possible suspects based on all this crazy speculation, circumstantial evidence.

[561] A lot of conspiracies theorists think that the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski was, I don't think so, BTK, and some people think a guy from Charles Manson family is.

[562] No way.

[563] So there's like, everyone has like 10 of the best suspects and like only a couple of them make sense.

[564] And the other ones are like, they think it's him because he lived near the area at the time and he kind of looks like the sketch.

[565] And it's just like loose.

[566] So here's the sketch.

[567] The sketch that looks like no one?

[568] Oh, yes.

[569] My neighbor.

[570] Right.

[571] Oh.

[572] I feel like what's so great about, like with the Golden State killer being caught and the fact that he looks nothing like any of the composites, like kind of here.

[573] kind of there, and he changed his look so many times, probably on purpose, that you just can't rely on that anymore, that he doesn't look like the sketch or does look like the sketch.

[574] Well, I bet you that no matter what, that that guy doesn't have army issue black frame glasses anymore, just because those were, I think, required in, like, yeah, 1965, and maybe the buzz cut's not there anymore.

[575] Maybe some more wrinkles around the eyes.

[576] And maybe he has some sort of defining features, like a human being would.

[577] A single one.

[578] Just a mole.

[579] Maybe a mole.

[580] Doesn't he look like, ew, what's that smell?

[581] Did you empty the garbage?

[582] That's what he's doing there.

[583] Fuck him.

[584] Who's supposed to empty the garbage?

[585] Dick.

[586] God damn, that dick.

[587] Shut up.

[588] Okay.

[589] So I'm doing like my three that I'm like, I think these are the most, make the most sense.

[590] You think they're all the zodiac.

[591] I think they're all the zodiac.

[592] And there is, and I, there is, okay, here we go.

[593] look listen I was swollen sorry guys so this dude Richard Gikowski he was a civil rights activist and newspaper journalist and filmmaker born in Waterton South Dakota in March of 1936 so this guy he's like a punk rocker from the 60s like before that was a punk rock thing he was a member of this anti -police pro -violence counterculture newspaper in San Francisco called Good Times That's not punk, everyone.

[594] It's so they could get it past the cops.

[595] I think, let's see, what do we, what is Stephen found?

[596] So this is he.

[597] Oh, wait a second.

[598] No, his nose is too big.

[599] Right.

[600] He has defining features.

[601] He has defining features.

[602] And a big inhaling nose.

[603] Yeah.

[604] So this dude, Richard Gikowski, so from 1969, okay, blah, blah, blah, good times.

[605] Good Times is a newspaper that runs violent works of fiction, and there are, Some of them are nearly a blueprint for the Zodiac's future crimes.

[606] Also, so here's some things that tie him to the case.

[607] So Wednesdays was Production Day for Good Times, which was a weekly newspaper.

[608] I'm sorry, but now that it's sitting with me, I kind of love the title Good Times.

[609] It's just some person's like, some grandma was like walking down the street and, oh, this newspaper looks fun.

[610] And it's like, kill the police.

[611] Why?

[612] No. What's happening?

[613] I don't like that.

[614] So it's their production day is Wednesday.

[615] So Wednesdays are bananas and super busy and no one has time.

[616] and he's like the main guy there.

[617] And there's knives everywhere.

[618] It's crazy.

[619] And he keeps screaming, I'm the Zodiac.

[620] Which wastes so much time when you're trying to make a newspaper about violence.

[621] So between his first murder in July of 1969's until when Good Times folded in 1973, the Zodiac mailed 15 letters.

[622] He on every single day of the week except for Wednesday.

[623] I think that's cool.

[624] And I can tell that it sounds kind of stupid.

[625] bit, too.

[626] No, isn't that interesting?

[627] Well, it just makes sense.

[628] He can't do it all.

[629] Right.

[630] So Wednesdays was his busy day.

[631] It's hard to multitask.

[632] Isn't that we're like...

[633] Murdering innocent people all the over the place.

[634] So between...

[635] I mean, that seems like a lot, right?

[636] Yeah.

[637] Never on a Wednesday.

[638] Every single other day of the week he did.

[639] Too busy.

[640] At the time of the murder, the Good Times office was located only yards from the residents of Zodiac victim Paul Stein on Fell Street in San Francisco.

[641] It's a little more affordable.

[642] That's right.

[643] Yeah, that's the real deal street.

[644] Yeah.

[645] where the awesome people live.

[646] Right.

[647] As opposed to the motherfuckers we were talking about before.

[648] Here's some more.

[649] Even though Good Times was a counterculture, like hippie newspaper, once Skokowski came aboard, he ran free ads for these really weird performances called the Mikado, which is a comic opera that deals with themes of death and cruelty.

[650] And there's, in a lot of the Zodiac letters, they reference and quote that same play.

[651] Wow.

[652] Yeah.

[653] So, like, that sounds obscure, right?

[654] I think it is.

[655] ever heard of it.

[656] I believe it might be Gilbert and Sullivan, the Macado.

[657] Is that nerds?

[658] Am I right?

[659] So that's a connection.

[660] And so, so Stein, the cab driver, was killed on San Francisco's Washington Street.

[661] There's only one guy can, no, they don't.

[662] No one.

[663] Nobody lives there, but Washington.

[664] Valeras have been of Washington here.

[665] It's only five years.

[666] Oh, someone's shirt at them meet and greet last night said, Well, there hasn't been a Karen in Sacramento for 25 years.

[667] Literally.

[668] Isn't that the best?

[669] Imagine that people made shirts about your life.

[670] It's fucking rad.

[671] It's like, it's true.

[672] And they gave us one, right?

[673] Because I was like, can I have one?

[674] She took it off.

[675] No, she didn't.

[676] Okay.

[677] So, let's get him out of here.

[678] Okay.

[679] So there's only one Gikowski that was listed in the city directory at that time, and that was Richard Gikowski's cousin.

[680] She lived on Washington Street, and her birthday was October 11th, the same day Stein was murdered at the Zodiac.

[681] So you think he probably went out there to fucking, to the Presidio for his cousin's birthday party, brought a nice bottle of the wine, maybe.

[682] The editor of the violence newspaper.

[683] He's like, guys, I've got to cut out early.

[684] I love my cousin so much.

[685] She is so sweet.

[686] That's right.

[687] My cousin lives here.

[688] I'm going to go bring her.

[689] I thought I, oh, I'm going to go bring Carol a fucking bottle of Bougolet.

[690] I don't know what was popular in the 60s.

[691] I think that was.

[692] That was the wine to beat.

[693] That's right.

[694] I got to go.

[695] And then on the way he fucking hops in a cab and fucking kills the cab driver.

[696] Boom, solved.

[697] Done.

[698] Good night.

[699] We're sorry we brought you here.

[700] And so the other, oh wait, I'm sorry, Carol is not, so Carol who's Paul Stein's sister, the cab driver's sister, actually said that she recognized Guykowski is having attended Paul's funeral, even though she had no idea who he was.

[701] She remembers seeing him at the funeral.

[702] Because she had seen him in the neighborhood before or something?

[703] No. I'm sure the cops were like, did you see anyone at the funeral that wasn't and she was like, that fucking dude?

[704] Oh.

[705] Who's that guy?

[706] And it was that fucking dude.

[707] Okay.

[708] But then again, he was a journalist, so maybe he sometimes just went to No, you don't fucking just drop into funerals.

[709] No. You don't?

[710] No, they're the worst.

[711] People crying and everyone's like, this is, oh my God, I'm so sad.

[712] Yeah.

[713] Oh, I, I'm so sad.

[714] How else do we feel?

[715] Can I ask you a couple questions?

[716] That's true.

[717] About crying?

[718] That's true.

[719] Plus, they didn't know it was Zodiac at first, so maybe, yeah, okay.

[720] This guy is looking good.

[721] I know.

[722] I like him for it, as they say.

[723] Yeah, we're insiders.

[724] We're friends of the cop now.

[725] That's right.

[726] Same as Paul Holes.

[727] Gikowski served in the Army in the 1950s, and he trained as a medic.

[728] And one of the medic's tactics there was that they learned was to tear the clothing of a bleeding victim.

[729] to use as bandages if they didn't have access to the proper equipment in the field.

[730] And they used the undershirt first with the shirt tail brink preferred if tucked in because it was, what's it called when it's clean?

[731] Clean.

[732] Clean.

[733] Sanitized.

[734] I mean, not real.

[735] Clean, I guess, would be a better word.

[736] Clean is a good word.

[737] So that's what, that was the tactic they used.

[738] And on October 13, 1969, a San Francisco Chronicle received a letter from the Zodiac containing a portion of Stein's bloody shirt that was taken from the scene before the cops got there and took credit for the killing.

[739] And what was sent was a neat rectangular tail piece of the victim's shirt that had been torn off perfectly by the killer.

[740] So he's only one person and an army is huge, but still.

[741] Let's not let it go.

[742] Let's jump to conclusions.

[743] Okay.

[744] Also, the dispatcher who spoke with the Zodiac on July 5, 1969, named Named.

[745] Nancy, she said it was his voice.

[746] But I think she said that about a couple of those suspects.

[747] And it was like 40 years later that she said it was him.

[748] Are you talking shit on Nancy?

[749] No, no. I love Nancy.

[750] That's one of the hardest jobs, taxi dispatcher.

[751] So, okay, here's this big thing.

[752] So before she became a victim of the Zodiac, Darlene Farren, she's from Vallejo, California.

[753] She got married on January 1, 1966, and moved to Albany, New York.

[754] Okay.

[755] Gikowski followed quickly, moved across.

[756] the country from Martinez, which is near Vallejo.

[757] Affordable.

[758] That's just all in.

[759] Tasteful, affordable.

[760] Affordable.

[761] Martinez.

[762] So, Darlene's husband, they all moved to Albany.

[763] Darlene has moved to Albany because he worked at the Albany Times Union newspaper.

[764] And when Gailchowski quickly picked up and fucking followed them from Vallejo to Albany, he worked in the exact same building as her husband at the rival Albany.

[765] Nickerbocker news.

[766] So they both worked in the same fucking building and he later killed her.

[767] Okay.

[768] Why are you laughing?

[769] I don't know what they're doing, but here's my question.

[770] I think they're laughing at the word Knickerbocker, which is kind of lame.

[771] I bet I said something weird.

[772] But here's my question.

[773] He's essentially stalking a married couple?

[774] It just, we don't know if they even knew each other, but it's a really weird coincidence that these two people's lives overlap like this, and he, you know, right?

[775] Yes.

[776] Yes.

[777] So, and he did kill couples.

[778] There you said at first.

[779] So maybe.

[780] In August 19, so then in August of 1973, four years after he killed, or someone killed Darlene Farron.

[781] Let's just say him.

[782] Let's just use his last name from now on instead of saying Zodiac.

[783] Right.

[784] After she was killed by the Zodiac, the Albany Times Union newspaper, where her husband worked, received a letter pertaining to saying it was from the Zodiac killer and threatening to murder his next victim at a certain time and date.

[785] So he sent it to that newspaper.

[786] On the fucking East Coast.

[787] Yeah.

[788] Where her husband worked.

[789] I don't know.

[790] I mean, these are not coincidences.

[791] There's no such thing.

[792] Okay.

[793] Except there are.

[794] Okay.

[795] There was spiritual Georgia and then not so spiritual Georgia.

[796] Um, blah, blah, blah.

[797] Okay, blah, blah, blah.

[798] This thing, the cipher.

[799] Are you dismissing theories?

[800] No, I wrote it all in Cypher.

[801] I'm trying to, I'm trying to.

[802] What if I wrote the whole thing in Cypher?

[803] Is this a challenge?

[804] I want to, it's like a little flag.

[805] And then there was a red flag and an exclamation mark and an X. Don't know what that meant.

[806] So in 1971, Gikowski is involuntary committed to a mental hospital after quote.

[807] And I don't know who quote, who said this, but I bet they were fun, going bizarre.

[808] Did you say he was voluntarily or involuntary?

[809] involuntarily.

[810] Okay.

[811] That's a big difference.

[812] Those Wednesday deadlines, man. Those will fucking...

[813] It is.

[814] When it's down to the wire, you lose your shit.

[815] That's right.

[816] He's committed to him...

[817] When he was committed to a mental asylum for a couple years, the Zodiac never wrote any letters during that three -year period.

[818] Nothing.

[819] Quiet.

[820] Coincidence number 26.

[821] And then in the cipher where he says he will, he'll reveal his name, the four symbols at the end of the sentence is, G -Y -K -E, which is what he would sometimes maybe call him.

[822] It doesn't make any sense, you guys.

[823] They're just grasping at straws at this point.

[824] Hold on.

[825] Are you saying he made up his own nickname, and it was just a bunch of consonants?

[826] Okay, so his last name is...

[827] That's pretty rad.

[828] His last name is G -K -G -A -I -K.

[829] So it's G -A -I -K.

[830] So he would sometimes just shorten his name to G -A -I -K or G -I -E, but G -Y -K -E is in the cipher.

[831] Once it's translated, I don't fucking know.

[832] This is, it's the most convincing one yet.

[833] Yeah.

[834] Well, it's the first one.

[835] Oh.

[836] Shoot.

[837] Yeah.

[838] But I agree.

[839] Okay.

[840] To date, his DNA has never been tested against the zodiacs.

[841] And he was, but he was cleared of fingerprints by the FBI in 1989 because they had fingerprints at the taxi driver Steins in blood.

[842] And he died of cancer in San Francisco.

[843] April 30th, 2004, and the SFPD have ruled him out as a suspect.

[844] Dang it.

[845] But the DNA thing is like, so they got the DNA off the letters off licked stamps and the licked envelopes, but what if he had someone else fucking licking for him?

[846] He would absolutely take it down to like a 7 -Eleven and just be like, um, can I get a pack of Marlboro Reds and really quick lick this?

[847] Just do it and have a weird look in his eye where if you worked there, you'd be like, uh, uh, okay.

[848] Anything else?

[849] Yeah.

[850] That and like, it sounds like that kind of thing he liked to fuck obviously with the cops with these letters so why wouldn't he fuck with them with like fingerprints and his saliva and like the fingerprints could even be faked you know what I mean?

[851] Also were they the fingerprints inside a cab where 100 people are all day every day?

[852] But they might have been in blood so I don't know what that you know it's so complicated this one.

[853] God this is hard for us to solve tonight but we're going to sit here until we do Tell, we run out of canned wine.

[854] I say the piece I like the most is that ripping the material.

[855] Because I've never heard that, like, connection before.

[856] That's so interesting.

[857] Peepy, right?

[858] All right.

[859] And this guy, okay, the next one is everyone's fucking favorite, this dickhead.

[860] Arthur Lee Allen.

[861] Yes, God.

[862] What a dick.

[863] We call him Mr. Squirrels.

[864] Really?

[865] No, I mean, from the movie.

[866] Oh, yeah.

[867] Remember?

[868] No, I don't.

[869] Okay.

[870] Clearly.

[871] I barely remember anything.

[872] Who's he played by again?

[873] I know you'd know this.

[874] He is, hold.

[875] That's going to take me probably 10 minutes to think of.

[876] No, no, it's the comedian who's got like the book.

[877] Arthur Lee Allen?

[878] Yeah.

[879] No, no. It's the husband from Fargo, the movie Fargo.

[880] It's him.

[881] And I do know his name because he's my friend Sarah's stepfather.

[882] Uh -uh.

[883] Yeah.

[884] Weird.

[885] And he used, he's super cool.

[886] He's a really good actor.

[887] And he also used to be the dungeon master for her group's Dungeons and Dragons.

[888] Yeah, isn't that rad?

[889] So he would be there like, no, you're an elf or whatever.

[890] And I was like, I almost am going to do Dungeons and Dragons.

[891] Do you remember his name?

[892] It's going to take me a second.

[893] Who did I think it was?

[894] It was that comedian, no. Did you think it was Dave Kekner?

[895] Yes.

[896] Yes, yes, yes.

[897] She's talking about Dave Kekner, who is from Anchorman.

[898] He's the cowboy guy.

[899] Right?

[900] But they look exactly the same.

[901] Right.

[902] So it's on them, not me. It's not your fault in any way.

[903] Okay.

[904] But, but, but Arthur Lee Allen.

[905] He's born in Honolulu, Hawaii.

[906] You guys know where Honolulu is.

[907] on December 18th, 1933.

[908] He becomes the most scrutinized of all the suspects, and he's also the only suspect ever to be served with search warrants by the police, which is crazy.

[909] I have all these crimes, the only person to have fucking gotten a search warrant, that's bananas.

[910] Okay, in our friend Robert Grace Smith's book, he's...

[911] Jake Dillon Hall, you know him as Jake Dillon Hall.

[912] Right.

[913] And the movie, which the movie Zodiac is based on, he's portrayed as the prime suspect, played by our friend and stepdad to all.

[914] Arthur Lee Allen.

[915] Someone knows it.

[916] Luth Dauberson.

[917] Lou Dobbs.

[918] Loup Dauverson.

[919] That's not even a name.

[920] Luth.

[921] We got it.

[922] She's got it.

[923] Thanks.

[924] I got it.

[925] Say it again.

[926] It's Lube Silberton.

[927] It's not Luce Olverson and it's not Luce Silverton.

[928] She's doing her.

[929] best.

[930] We'll get it later.

[931] It also doesn't matter.

[932] We could probably have someone in the front road just Google it real quick.

[933] So that that person isn't mad.

[934] Does anyone want to just be a stand?

[935] It doesn't work when you can.

[936] Yeah, it doesn't work.

[937] Four girls just went, okay, everybody at the same time.

[938] Can you see it in your mind's eye of four people who are like, we're going to solve this problem.

[939] We're going to save this show.

[940] Thank you so much.

[941] I want everyone right now to come up on stage and one person we're going to yell something to you from the audience and you have to guess what it is and no one's going to get it.

[942] It's never going to work.

[943] You can't, you hear homozoison, it's all you can fucking hear.

[944] Also, because, yes, will you say it?

[945] John Carol Lynch.

[946] Thank you.

[947] Luke.

[948] Hold on.

[949] Did you guys know?

[950] Danny Google's here tonight.

[951] Holy shit.

[952] He made the app.

[953] He's the inventor of the app.

[954] Google.

[955] Thank you so much.

[956] Okay.

[957] Very good.

[958] Very good.

[959] Bye, bye.

[960] Not worth it.

[961] Great, great exercise.

[962] Moving on.

[963] Blah, blah, blah, blah.

[964] Zodiac.

[965] Ellen was questioned by police in 69 and again in 71 after his former friend, because yeah, dude, you wouldn't stay friends with this guy.

[966] This guy named Don Cheney, he's like, you guys got to look at my friend.

[967] We were hunting.

[968] And he was like, you know what I want to do one day is kill couples at random.

[969] I want to call myself the Zodiac.

[970] and I want to use a flashlight attached to my gun to aid and hunting at night and shine in people.

[971] He basically was like, I want to do these things and then went and did them.

[972] And Don was like, yo, this is this guy.

[973] And he's like, and what do you want to do?

[974] The friend's like, I want to run really far away from you.

[975] I just don't want to stop screaming ever again.

[976] I just, I'm very upset.

[977] Also, as we saw in the movie, this asshole wore his watch was a brand called Zodiac and had the famous crosshair symbol.

[978] His mom had given him the watch in 1967, like two years before the murder start.

[979] He owned the same caliber gun uses the one in the Zodiac shootings, and he told police he was the day of the Beriazza attack, Lake Beresa attacks, he was like, yeah, no, I had knives in my car that were covered in blood, but because it killed chickens.

[980] And those chickens were like, no, he did I. addictions are in their background and it's not this is not true yeah we're right here talking so clearly clearly you're dreaming also owned the royal typewriter that was similar to the ones that were used in some of the letters and then he was dishonorably discharged from the Navy which I guess they wore those military style boots that had the impressions that were at some of the crime scenes and he was also guys a fucking pedophile So even if he wasn't, like, I'm listening to this, this, like, recording of him being like, how, how, like, old -timey voice, how dare they, and I would, I could never kill anyone, and I, you know, you, my person can't get a good, honest, and I don't proven guilty.

[981] And the whole time, it's like, you're a fucking pedophile, dude.

[982] So you don't, you don't get a fucking.

[983] You don't get anything.

[984] You don't get anything.

[985] Goodbye.

[986] Goodbye.

[987] Forever.

[988] You know what he gets?

[989] He gets a trailer full of squirrels.

[990] Exactly.

[991] Come on.

[992] Let's talk about that scene from that movie.

[993] Also, because they're in Santa Rosa, which is right by my own time.

[994] Right?

[995] Which, if there's anything that perfectly describes Santa Rosa, it's a trailer full of fucking squirrels.

[996] It's just like, I don't know, do I want to go up there?

[997] Do you like loose squirrels in a trailer?

[998] Then have that.

[999] Let me show you his stupid idiot face.

[1000] Oh.

[1001] It looks just like the comedian from Anchorman, doesn't he?

[1002] It kind of looks like every dude in comedy.

[1003] Yeah.

[1004] Oh, yeah.

[1005] I'm friends with a lot of that guy on Twitter.

[1006] I've drank with this guy a lot.

[1007] I'm like, don't tell me about bands I have to listen to anymore.

[1008] I don't want to hear it.

[1009] So he was fired from his schoolteacher job for child molestation accusations in 1968, right when the murder started.

[1010] His house is located just 10 minutes walk from the payphone at the corner of Spring Road and that other road intersection, where the Zodiac first made his call to the police.

[1011] He fucking lives 10 minutes from there.

[1012] Yeah.

[1013] It's him.

[1014] He looks good for it.

[1015] It's him and the other guy, for sure.

[1016] Neck and neck.

[1017] And then both the Blue Rock Springs attack and the double murderer at Lake Herman Road were within 15 minutes driving distance from his house.

[1018] So he just had a quick little jaunt and then was a fucking murderer.

[1019] His sister -in -law named Karen.

[1020] Oh, my gosh!

[1021] That's crazy!

[1022] Confirms that her creepiest fuck brother -in -law, they showed her some of the letters and she was like some of the words he condenses in here my creepy -ass brother -in -law also condenses so like you know he's good for it also she was like by the way he knows how to write he's ambidextrous which is the absolute hardest word just to make up to figure out how to spell or smell um also he she was like let me show you this christmas card he spells christmas like an idiot asshole and an idiot with two s's at the end Christmas, that's hilarious.

[1023] Just like the Zodiac did in his fucking letters wishing the police of Merry Christmas.

[1024] Lock him up.

[1025] Lock him up.

[1026] Let's all begin a chant.

[1027] He's not here.

[1028] And Arthur Lee's actual brother, Ronald, he says it's unlike, you remember his former friend, Don, who ratted him out, his brother was like, Don wouldn't make shit up.

[1029] Not his brother.

[1030] He was like, if Don says, something is true, it's true, you can believe him.

[1031] Wow.

[1032] Yeah, not his own fucking brother.

[1033] That's insane, child molester.

[1034] He also, Don also confided to the brother that Arthur Lee Allen had made inappropriate advances with his children.

[1035] So that's probably why they were former friends and he is a murderer.

[1036] Okay.

[1037] Yeah, we're on strike 52 now with this guy.

[1038] There's a connection with Darlene Farron because she worked out the IHOP.

[1039] and he loved to hang out there.

[1040] Also...

[1041] Well, I mean, we all do.

[1042] I know.

[1043] And he's also a suspect in the Santa Rosa hitchhiker murders were at least seven unsolved homicides of female hitchhikers in Sonoma County in Santa Rosa.

[1044] In 72 and 73, some of the wires that was used to tie up these victims matched the wires in the zodiac shit.

[1045] There was chipmunk hair on everything.

[1046] Right?

[1047] That's your favorite.

[1048] Yes.

[1049] He lived in the area.

[1050] The guy was rodent crazy.

[1051] He was arrested in 1974 for child molestation, and he went to prison for a while, and the zodiac letters stopped then as well.

[1052] And then as soon as he got out, like a couple months later, they get another letter.

[1053] And then Michael Maggio, who survived of Leho Tax, pointed him out in 1991 as the dude, but he kind of said, a couple weird things, so they were like, well, we can't, we can't use this.

[1054] This asshole dies of a heart attack in 1992.

[1055] They say, well, he didn't match any descriptions, his fingerprints didn't match, and his palm print didn't match, DNA didn't match, saliva, all this shit.

[1056] But again, could it be that thing of like, it's trick -a -rooing, yeah, right.

[1057] The annals of unsolved crime famed JFK assassination researcher, I don't know what I wrote here, this guy, Edward Epstein, and I think this is fun, let's go with this, thinks that Arthur Lee Allen could have been responsible for the first two attacks, but a copycat, or copycats were responsible for the rest of them, which I think is a cool.

[1058] I don't know.

[1059] And then the letters were all by one person.

[1060] Yeah, but I feel like that they would say that was a copycounter, because the Zodiac was so, like, pay attention to me and put this in the newspaper or all kill a bunch of kids on a bus or whatever.

[1061] Like, I don't think they would allow, the real Zodiac would allow somebody else to, like, step on his shit like that.

[1062] For sure.

[1063] Thank you.

[1064] I'm a professional, a criminologist, psychologist.

[1065] So for nearly five decades, police and amateur sleuths have tried to name who he was.

[1066] They can't figure it out.

[1067] And it's still unsolved.

[1068] Here's the final suspect.

[1069] He was not born.

[1070] That is dead on.

[1071] That is dead on.

[1072] Absolutely.

[1073] God, it's eerie.

[1074] It's so eerie.

[1075] How creepy, how, like, someday they'll figure out how he did it when he was not born yet and a baby.

[1076] Yeah.

[1077] But, fuck.

[1078] I think it's more of intention and what you have in your heart.

[1079] Definitely.

[1080] They could create serial killing and when you're a toddler.

[1081] Yeah, and those are the Zodiac suspects that I like.

[1082] Wow.

[1083] That was awesome.

[1084] Beautiful.

[1085] Beautiful button.

[1086] Yeah.

[1087] Thank you.

[1088] Now we're cooking.

[1089] With fire.

[1090] Okay.

[1091] All right.

[1092] I'm going to do the murder of Stephanie Bryan.

[1093] Right?

[1094] I was going to do, can I tell this story?

[1095] But I'm not trying to, Stephen, I'm not shitting on you.

[1096] I swear to God.

[1097] Don't tell them what it is because I'm actually doing it tomorrow night.

[1098] So I'll just keep it general.

[1099] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1100] Because here's what happened.

[1101] Well, then you should have got tickets to the show!

[1102] You're not in church!

[1103] We go totally squirrel in a trailer on you.

[1104] No, so, I had this one ready.

[1105] But when we do live shows, you know, sometimes it's like we don't, we want to stay fun, and we're all live and having a good time and laughing.

[1106] You want to laugh at Ted fucking Cruz.

[1107] Right, you know, we want to have a good time.

[1108] And so this one I really like, and it's good, but it's, you know, it is obviously the murder, a murder and so I was like last night I was like oh my God I have it I have the perfect one because it's just something that's happened around here that you will find out tomorrow night if you go see Georgia tell her story so I text...

[1109] If you're going you should plug your ears and then we'll tell everyone else yeah that's right um but I text Steven at you know when I'm like mid goldfish mac and cheese and I'm like hey I want to change my thing and he's like sounds great and I bet you the other end of that story is Stephen I was like I was in a bar or something because then he texted us this morning.

[1110] He's like, I just checked my files.

[1111] I screwed up.

[1112] And you can't do that one because George is doing it, which almost never happens.

[1113] I was like, no, Karen can't have that.

[1114] He texted me, was like, I screwed up and I told Karen she could do it.

[1115] And like, I think he was waiting for me to write back and be like myself of like, it's okay, I'll figure it up.

[1116] It's already in the works.

[1117] There's no way.

[1118] I can't pick another one.

[1119] No. Tell Karen, she's fucked.

[1120] I'm not fucked.

[1121] Sorry, Stephen, like sending him.

[1122] to the wolves.

[1123] Like, go tell her she's and shit up a creek or whatever.

[1124] I'll just say that I just love the fact that everyone was scared to text me. I'm just saying, there's definitely downsides to being a big bitch, but there's tons of upsides, which is no one says shit to you about anything.

[1125] Thank you.

[1126] Thank you so much.

[1127] I'm learning that.

[1128] It's fun to be a bitch and just be like, well, you need to talk Aaron.

[1129] She's fucked.

[1130] Sorry.

[1131] You learn that also if you make daily television.

[1132] We're like, if somebody fucks up, there's oftentimes, and I'm sure in lots of people's jobs if it's like a high pressure job and there'll be people that come to you and like um i really screwed up this thing and whatever it's like well that's your problem yeah that's the most satisfying thing in the world to do fix it fix it fix it or get fired so stephen got fired so stephen is fired never talk about him again no i probably shouldn't have told you any of that but i like to do a behind the curtain peek into anyway Okay, so basically this story is, I'm just going to do a retelling of one of my favorite episodes of the TV show A Crime to Remember, which is one of the best produced true crime television shows on TV.

[1133] They basically took the old idea where if you're going to do true crime reenactment, you know, like we've been watching really shitty, really violent and kind of, I would say, sexist reenactments where it's like, do you have to stab the girl in the red bra again?

[1134] We get that part.

[1135] You said it already.

[1136] Well, a crime to remember, basically they do all old cases, and then they make these beautiful.

[1137] It almost looks like a movie where they do these reenactments that are really gorgeously shot and really well put together.

[1138] So it's a great TV show if you haven't watched it already, but I know you all have, so you're like, shut up.

[1139] So this takes place in Berkeley in spring of 1955.

[1140] Yes.

[1141] You see Berkeley, the fighting.

[1142] um barbacks yep the fighting barbacks we really love college sports and we follow all the teams that's right and we want to make sure that every city we go to we acknowledge your team we acknowledge your team and we really you know support your whole college experience which no one gives a shit about um okay April 28th 1955 uh Stephanie bryan's a 14 year old girl whose family has just moved to Berkeley from Massachusetts about two years before.

[1143] Her father's a doctor.

[1144] Her mom is a homemaker.

[1145] They have five kids.

[1146] Stephanie's the oldest.

[1147] She's smart.

[1148] She's quiet.

[1149] And she's a rule follower.

[1150] Um, so when she is not home from school by four o 'clock, uh, that Thursday afternoon, April 28th, 195, her mother immediately knows that something's wrong immediately.

[1151] So she immediately starts calling around.

[1152] She calls the school and she calls Stephanie's friends and nobody's seen her.

[1153] And then she She finally gets a hold of Stephanie's friend, a girl named Mary Ann Stewart.

[1154] And Mary Ann Stewart says, yeah, we walked home.

[1155] When school got out, we walked to the library, and we checked out some library books.

[1156] And then we went over to the donut shop, and we checked out some donut books.

[1157] Great.

[1158] Yeah, right?

[1159] You know, the way you kind of, like, walk around your town after school, it's so long ago.

[1160] So then on that walk home, she decides they, when it comes to, you know, when it comes to, to, like, where they're going to split apart, Stephanie, tells Mary, I'm going to take this shortcut, and it's over by the Claremont Hotel tennis courts.

[1161] And so she says, they know those tennis courts.

[1162] They know how ritsy those tennis courts are.

[1163] So she says goodbye to Mary Ann, and she takes this wooded path back to her house.

[1164] Boo.

[1165] Stay out of even the woods in 1955.

[1166] Just stay out of wooded lanes, even if it looks pretty.

[1167] stay away from nature of all kinds.

[1168] So by 530, Stephanie's dad is home from work, and she's still not home, and he's like, we're calling the police.

[1169] So he calls the police, they come over to take the report.

[1170] And, of course, back then, when teenagers weren't home after school at the proper time, the normal response used to be, it's fine and calm down, and they'll be back.

[1171] And this always ends up that they come back.

[1172] But when the police talk to the Brian family and they get the sense of what this family is like and everything, they know something is very wrong.

[1173] And so at 9 o 'clock that night, they put out an APB for a missing person.

[1174] So this was also, it's 1955, which feels kind of late, but it was still the time where reporters, like reporters would hang out in the police station and listen for APB so they could write stories.

[1175] And they would also go to, like if the police were going to serve a search warrant, they'd go with the cops and and then just stand around ready to, like, write down stuff that got found.

[1176] Like, they were right there with everything.

[1177] So there's a bunch of reporters in the station when the APB goes out.

[1178] So they hear it, they immediately report that a girl has gone missing, you know, in the afternoon that day.

[1179] And tips come flooding in immediately.

[1180] Most of the first reports talk about a man who was driving erratically with a young girl in the back of the car who matched Stephanie's appearance.

[1181] And basically the only thing most people could say was that the car was brown and that the man had brown hair and that there was no license plate that they could see.

[1182] So the police start to theorize that because Stephanie's father is a doctor and they kind of live in a nicer area that maybe her disappearance is kidnapped for ransom.

[1183] So they tap all of Brian's phones.

[1184] And 32 hours later, a call comes in.

[1185] So a man demands $5 ,000 for Stephanie's safe return.

[1186] And he tells Dr. Brian, do you have to meet me?

[1187] To bring this five grand, no cops.

[1188] And Dr. Brian, because he's a smart person, is like, hey, all cops, come with me. And they go down to make this exchange, and they end up arresting an 18 -year -old who had nothing to do with it and was basically just trying to get money from a grieving family.

[1189] Yeah.

[1190] Four days after Stephanie goes missing, a man is driving.

[1191] driving down Franklin Canyon Road, which is an hour away from Berkeley.

[1192] Don't actually know that road.

[1193] He pulls over because he needs to go pee in a field, and he walks out into this field and finds Stephanie's French book laying out there.

[1194] So police, how many people, I was thinking this as I was watching it, people would have just tried to pee on the book and then leave and never talk about it or think about it again.

[1195] It wouldn't even cross my mind that that's what that is for.

[1196] I will say because the APB went out so early, because the reporters talked about it so much, all of the Bay Area knew there was a 14 -year -old girl that had gone missing and possibly was kidnapped.

[1197] Everybody knew it.

[1198] Was that an attack of some kind?

[1199] I think something collapsed.

[1200] Okay.

[1201] Let us know if anyone needs help.

[1202] Someone was offended that I would pee on a French book.

[1203] Which I understand.

[1204] This is a too.

[1205] Okay, so they take this lead.

[1206] and they're searching all over that area.

[1207] Police spend three months interviewing any random creep that has ever done anything even slightly weird in the Bay Area.

[1208] It must have been fun.

[1209] It's just like a, what's it called?

[1210] A school, never mind.

[1211] What?

[1212] You know, when they do, when they go on a field trip.

[1213] It was like a field trip to creeps.

[1214] Yeah.

[1215] A police field trip.

[1216] Yeah, they would all get on a little bus.

[1217] and just go to the Creep's house.

[1218] The cops would come to you back then.

[1219] And you'd be like, no, no, no, stay there, creep.

[1220] So the entire three months, though, the newspapers talk about it constantly that everyone's still looking and they really keep it in everybody's, in the front of everybody's brain.

[1221] So that July, a 33 -year -old cosmetologist in Alameda, the best.

[1222] Love your swap meat.

[1223] Love your coastal views.

[1224] Her name is Georgia Abbott.

[1225] No one's ever named Georgia.

[1226] Never.

[1227] Ever.

[1228] Twice and one night.

[1229] She goes into her basement to look for a hat.

[1230] What?

[1231] To wear to a costume party.

[1232] She opens a box and inside it she finds a red purse that she doesn't recognize.

[1233] So she opens the purse and inside she finds Stephanie Brian's ID card.

[1234] Yes.

[1235] So she calls the motherfucking police.

[1236] And she's like...

[1237] Is it her house or is like an apartment building?

[1238] It's her own house.

[1239] Creepy feelings.

[1240] Who does she live with?

[1241] All right.

[1242] We're about to meet them.

[1243] Okay.

[1244] So the...

[1245] So when the police come to the Abbott's house, they immediately recognized the purse as Stephanie's from how Stephanie's mother described all the things that she had.

[1246] had with her that day.

[1247] And so they questioned the entire Abbott family.

[1248] So they talked to Georgia first, and as she's explaining, I went to the costume party.

[1249] And it's going to win the time.

[1250] It's like, jaunty little thing.

[1251] It's so crazy.

[1252] And the guy's there with a pencil, like, no one gives a shit.

[1253] Give me facts.

[1254] But as she's doing that, she goes, what was that party that we had?

[1255] Otto?

[1256] What party did we come in?

[1257] And then Otto comes in.

[1258] And he's like, it was a country and Western party.

[1259] I'm now doing impressions of the people that were in a crime to remember this is low rent guys but he get basically answers and so then the cops like oh well how long have you two been married and she's like oh he's not my husband my husband's in there and then the cop looks over and there's just a dude in the dining room eating dinner alone as if the cops aren't at his fucking house just like you think he was eating macaroni cheese with goldfish crackers on it.

[1260] It could have been.

[1261] Immediately.

[1262] But using a knife on it where they're like, this is suspicious.

[1263] This is weird.

[1264] We don't like this guy.

[1265] So there, of course, the cops are like six red flags of like, why are auto and Georgia so cozy.

[1266] And what is, and who's that fucking guy in the dining room?

[1267] So that Burton Abbott is her husband.

[1268] He's a 27 -year -old Berkeley accounting student.

[1269] And he and Georgia have been married for seven years.

[1270] They've lived in the neighborhood for five years.

[1271] And Burton's mother, Elsie, also lives in the house.

[1272] But when the cops ask where she is, Burton says she doesn't like it when people intrude.

[1273] And so she left.

[1274] So she heard the cops were coming and she noped out.

[1275] She skeddled?

[1276] Hey.

[1277] That's not suspicious or anything.

[1278] You're not allowed to skedaddle if we come here.

[1279] No. So Burton tells police they're not going to find anything because he wasn't even in town that day that Stephanie Brian went missing.

[1280] He'd gone up to the family fishing cabin in Weaverville.

[1281] No, uh, prove it.

[1282] I want to see your IDs.

[1283] We want your IDs.

[1284] Pass your ID down to the front, please.

[1285] Weaverville's six hours away and 300 miles away from the area.

[1286] Truly, as a native Californian, I've never heard of it in my life.

[1287] Sorry, Weaverville.

[1288] It's so great.

[1289] They have cabins.

[1290] So the police go check this cabin Which is actually then I was starting to think of what a bummer that is Where it's like you get some lead And then you look at your partner You're like now we have to drive six hours together To the mountains I don't really like you that much Should we just say I didn't find anything And then we'll go to IHOP Let's pre -agree Then we go down to where everybody loves to meet IHop With a B Okay so That was a bad thing idea whoever's idea that was but it made for a great joke just now right okay um okay so when they go up there they uh they find no signs of stephan or anything around the cabin then they go to the restaurant that burton said he ate at which is called the chuck wagon which i would fucking kill to go to absolutely oh the baked potato i bet is it i mean it's as big as your arm and there's just like toppings everywhere yeah it was the chuck wagon was actually only it was strictly baked potatoes.

[1291] And there were so big, you could get into it like a sleeping bag.

[1292] That was part of their...

[1293] Eat your way out.

[1294] It was a theme restaurant.

[1295] You wouldn't understand.

[1296] It was the 50s.

[1297] They did stuff different.

[1298] They did fun, big, big potato stuff all the time.

[1299] It was a simple time.

[1300] Now I'm going to want to do that so bad.

[1301] I'm going to think about it all the time.

[1302] Because it would be warm.

[1303] But then convenient for eating.

[1304] Okay.

[1305] The waitress that works there is like, oh yeah, that guy was here.

[1306] She describes what he was wearing that he said he was wearing.

[1307] She talks about the conversation that he had.

[1308] He basically has an alibi.

[1309] So they head back to the Bay Area and they basically start at square one.

[1310] And they're like, we know the abbots are weirdos.

[1311] We have to go back there.

[1312] There's, oh, the reason they said when they were like, well, how would we, why would anyone find a missing girl's person?

[1313] in your basement and they said, oh, it was actually a polling station recently.

[1314] So hundreds of people have been in that basement.

[1315] Their basement was a polling station?

[1316] Apparently.

[1317] And an unfinished basement and half dirt.

[1318] Goodbye, nightmare.

[1319] You're like, I'm here to express my right to, okay, I'm going to sit this one out.

[1320] And that's why so -and -so won the election.

[1321] If only we knew political wings.

[1322] I don't.

[1323] Jerry Brown?

[1324] No. No, no, no, no. too early.

[1325] Okay, so this time when they go back, they go to search the home.

[1326] Elsie's there.

[1327] Grandma?

[1328] Grandma's there.

[1329] And they notice also that Burton's car matches the general description of the car.

[1330] Fuck, arrest that motherfucker.

[1331] Right?

[1332] Coming out of the ABB calls that they got, it's brown, and he has brown hair, and it doesn't have license plates on it.

[1333] So they call in a really well -known criminologist that was really good and they have him go over the entire car with a fine tooth comb, like get anything you can in their fibers and hairs and things that can't be used in court anymore.

[1334] Then they begin digging up half digging up the dirt part of the basement.

[1335] And as they do it, the reporters are down there with them like standing around.

[1336] Smoking in a small basement and watching other people do hard work.

[1337] And so they're right there when they hit upon something and they pull up the library book Stephanie checked out the day that she went missing yeah and her glasses and her bra oh no that's all buried in this basement so now everyone is looking at Burton Abbott yeah of course um and he is very calm and composed and he denies everything which is like he did at the end um he says he didn't know her he uh is a father himself, that someone's framing him.

[1338] He tells police, anyone could have stash those items right after they voted in their last municipal election.

[1339] You know, that guy who showed up with a shovel to vote.

[1340] Yeah.

[1341] I bet it was him.

[1342] You know, here's the thing.

[1343] I thought he was a minor or maybe a gardener.

[1344] Gardener, maybe.

[1345] I don't judge people.

[1346] I want them to vote.

[1347] It's the political process.

[1348] It's important.

[1349] So, he tells the person.

[1350] press, he's innocent.

[1351] Because his pictures in the paper as being connected as a suspect.

[1352] So now he feels a need to talk to the press as well and say, I'm innocent.

[1353] I'm clearly being framed.

[1354] He says, he used the word, I'm mourning with Stephanie's family.

[1355] And he volunteers to give a polygraph test.

[1356] And the police are like, sounds great.

[1357] We'll see you there.

[1358] So as he is being given the polygraph test, he basically is asked to retrace his steps for everything he did on Thursday, April 28th.

[1359] He says he spent the night in the cabin at the fishing cabin.

[1360] And then when he talks about his route home, he calls it the quote, zigzaggiest route you ever did see.

[1361] What are you a fucking old -timey something?

[1362] Perv?

[1363] Yeah.

[1364] Get out of here.

[1365] That alone should be like five years in the slammer.

[1366] Sir, you're just not using your head, sir.

[1367] He also mentions taking a shortcut along Franklin Canyon Road, which is the same road where Stephanie's French book is found.

[1368] Oh.

[1369] Oh, come on, dude.

[1370] Right, but the polygraph test comes back inconclusive.

[1371] So, just as they're witty, the cops were like, we have to start over at square one, start re -interviewing everybody, whatever.

[1372] They get an anonymous note telling them that it's not Burton, but they need to look closer at Georgia and Otto.

[1373] So they decide to talk to the one person who hasn't talked yet, and that's Elsie Abbott.

[1374] Elsie, get your ass out to the dining room.

[1375] Elsie, you crabby old bitch, get out here.

[1376] In the crime to remember thing, they keep showing her.

[1377] And it looks like she's sewing, but it looks like the, the director said, well, I can't tell what she's doing.

[1378] So she's sewing with a big piece of yarn, like you used do in kindergarten.

[1379] Remember to be like, you can sew this shape of a rabbit or whatever, but it's like just six pieces of yarn.

[1380] Yeah.

[1381] That's, that's what Elsie's doing on the couch.

[1382] Elsie, no one's buying it.

[1383] We don't, Elsie, stop fake sewing.

[1384] It makes you look more guilty.

[1385] It's like you're whistling.

[1386] An old and dumb.

[1387] Okay.

[1388] So when the cops sit down with her, she immediately throws Georgia under the bus saying she's a tramp who jumps from man to man. This is very weird.

[1389] it shames her daughter -in -law.

[1390] Great.

[1391] And she claims that Georgia has been unfaithful to her son.

[1392] So then the cops are like, so it could possibly be that Georgia and Otto are having an affair, and Otto did it, and he's framing Burton so that he can have Georgia Alder himself and then kill people as well.

[1393] Wait, they go to talk to talk to Otto's neighbor, and Otto's neighbor says that she heard screaming coming from his garage on April 28th, yeah, and now her shovel and hoe are missing from the garage.

[1394] Hey, just praying this up, neighbor.

[1395] This is one of those neighbors that's like, oh, I have to remember to talk to the police about the screaming.

[1396] And she's like, oh, guiding lights on.

[1397] I'm just going to, she's that lady.

[1398] Okay.

[1399] So her shit, her fucking shovel's gone.

[1400] Her shovel's gone.

[1401] Her hoe is gone.

[1402] They're screaming.

[1403] They're screaming that needs to be discussed.

[1404] who doesn't immediately be like listen they're screaming and it's in a garage so zero things are happening that could be good could you please bring over a blow torch and every gun that you have as a favor to me the neighbor when they bring auto into the police department he denies having a sexual relationship with georgia and he says everything his neighbor said was a big fucking lie and he says that he was paying a traffic ticket in alameda at the time is Stephanie's disappearance, which is, of course, proven to be true.

[1405] So he has a rock -solid alibi.

[1406] And so the cops are at another dead end.

[1407] And then this grisly old crime reporter named Ed Montgomery, he's been following this and reporting on it the entire time.

[1408] And he's convinced that there's something at that cabin.

[1409] So he goes up to, back up to the cabin in Weaverville, and he brings a photographer with him.

[1410] And they start walking around, and they walk around the grounds of the cabin and just searching everywhere because it's just all overgrown and they do it all day long and then finally he goes, you know what, let's get some bloodhounds up here.

[1411] So they bring bloodhounds up and the dogs immediately pick up his scent within 330 feet of the cabin.

[1412] They find a saddle shoe sticking out of the dirt and they then discover the body of Stephanie Bryan.

[1413] Oh my God.

[1414] Because this reporter was like, Here's how police work happens.

[1415] Well, or it's the thing of like, obviously they knew somebody in that family was doing something.

[1416] And so they were just like, well, if we found all this other evidence in their goddamn basement, we have to keep trying to be in this house.

[1417] Yeah, yeah.

[1418] So I think he was just like, well, let's just go explore up here.

[1419] I'm trying to defend him for some reason.

[1420] He's long dead.

[1421] Okay, so they put together in the coroner's report, they find out that she had been killed basically right after.

[1422] her abduction.

[1423] It was a lot of blunt force trauma, and they found her underwear were, like, around her throat, but she'd been strangled with them.

[1424] So they go and arrest Burton Abbott.

[1425] And her body was too badly decomposed to conclusively prove she'd been raped, but they did charge him with rape and murder, kind of anyway.

[1426] So when he goes to trial, he gets there, and he's acting like, it's like, it's like, his first day on the red carpet.

[1427] He's smiling and joking with reporters and, like, being really charming and stuff.

[1428] The reporter's like, do you have made for me, please?

[1429] So, not acting like someone who's about to face the death sentence.

[1430] So there's no evidence that directly connects him except for the circumstantial evidence of it being in his polling place home.

[1431] But the prosecution argues that Burton Abbott attempted to rape Stephanie Bryan, and when she resisted, he killed her.

[1432] And he got on the stand and testified for four days.

[1433] Oh, shit.

[1434] I know.

[1435] He said, I have nothing to hide.

[1436] I'm innocent.

[1437] I will confess, I will not confess to a crime I didn't do.

[1438] And he was very calm and soft -spoken and saying, this is a monstrous frame -up.

[1439] The jury was out for seven days.

[1440] They came back, and they found Burton Abbott guilty of first -degree murder.

[1441] He's given the death sentence, and they send him to San Quentin.

[1442] So, Oh.

[1443] I'd hold.

[1444] Personally, I would hold, but you can, it's also good to express your feelings in the moment.

[1445] She's got bad news for us.

[1446] I've got bad news for everybody.

[1447] Burton's execution is scheduled to take place at 11 a .m. on March 15th, 1957.

[1448] So basically, it's a very boring explanation, but he goes through, there's an automatic appeal process if you the death penalty back then.

[1449] But then that's denied.

[1450] And then his attorneys appeal directly.

[1451] They try to then do another one to the governor.

[1452] But Governor Goodwin J. Knight...

[1453] Oh, that's where I was going to say it was.

[1454] Yeah.

[1455] You know.

[1456] That's the name you're going to tick.

[1457] Goodwin J. Knight, the great governor of California in 1957.

[1458] You remember him with the big mustache.

[1459] He was out at sea on a naval ship, just fucking around.

[1460] So there's people getting killed in jail and people trying to contact him and say maybe this is entirely circumstantial, therefore maybe he stays in jail for the rest of his life, but we don't kill him.

[1461] And they can't get a hold of him.

[1462] There's a phone on the ship and every time they call, there's two phones on the ship, both lines are busy.

[1463] Who's on the phone?

[1464] Who is gossiping on the phone?

[1465] What naval reserve?

[1466] Girl, you would not believe.

[1467] Hold on.

[1468] yes he just puts one down yes the Navy space work and character work amazing truly so they the lawyers hold a press conference so that on TV they can say we're trying to get a hold of the fucking governor and he's on a Navy ship doing crazy ass shit can hang please hang up the phone hang up the phone hang up the phone so it works and he calls it.

[1469] Jeez.

[1470] So this is at 9 o 'clock in the morning, and he ends up granting a one -hour stay on the day of the execution.

[1471] That's almost like a prank.

[1472] It's not cool.

[1473] No. Yeah.

[1474] So then it's basically, it's denied.

[1475] The Supreme Court, like a writ comes through it.

[1476] It's all shit, I don't understand.

[1477] I want to say it.

[1478] I can't do it with confidence.

[1479] Let's skip it.

[1480] Great.

[1481] But then they try another route, going to the federal level.

[1482] it's denied as well so they call the governor again the lines are busy again it was it was the Pacific Bell Navy ship that they just had um that's an old reference um it's fucking I'm so maybe a how about a call waiting reference like needed to get call waiting they should have done Star 69 and then found out who was calling they had a hamburger phone a phone just like a hamburger oh Juno So, so finally they have the, this is a classic thing, I don't know if anybody remembers before call waiting, you would, if you were on the phone with your friend, sometimes if like your mom's friend really needed to call for some reason, they'd have an operator break into the call.

[1483] So somebody would like click and be like, get off the fucking phone, you seventh grader.

[1484] That's right.

[1485] What happened to me?

[1486] Yeah.

[1487] So that's what they have to do on the Nutso Navy ship where everybody was communicating.

[1488] So at 1112, Governor Knight calls the warden and grants Burton Abbott a stay of execution.

[1489] Here's the problem.

[1490] They had started walking Burton Abbott down to the gas chamber, and he was in the chair.

[1491] And exactly on time at 1115, while the warden and the governor are still chit -chatting away on the phone, they dropped 16 sodium cyanide pellets.

[1492] When does Ashton Coucher pop out?

[1493] Pranked.

[1494] Guys, don't even freak out.

[1495] Never.

[1496] The gas drops.

[1497] It begins to fill the chamber.

[1498] Burt and Abbott takes a big, huge gulp of breath, and holds his breath.

[1499] The governor's like, look, I'll stay.

[1500] We can do a stay.

[1501] And the warden goes, it's too late.

[1502] Wow.

[1503] Thank you.

[1504] It is good storytelling, isn't it?

[1505] I've ripped it off directly from a television show.

[1506] I'm just like the girl in class that won't pay attention.

[1507] She was like, did you see a crime to remember last night?

[1508] I'm going to tell you about it from scene one to scene 22.

[1509] Basically, he tells the governor it's too late.

[1510] Burton Abbott runs out of air, takes a breath, and dies in the gas chamber.

[1511] Oh, I haven't shown you any pictures.

[1512] God damn it.

[1513] I was going to ask you for photos.

[1514] There he is.

[1515] There he didn't want to shame me for not showing pictures.

[1516] There he is.

[1517] Denying, denying, denying.

[1518] I have nothing to do with it.

[1519] Even though I said I was at that cabinet and her body was there.

[1520] Somebody else buried that crucial evidence in my basement.

[1521] Hey, see?

[1522] We're a policeman.

[1523] Well, no questions.

[1524] Look over there.

[1525] Look over there.

[1526] I'm going to squat over here and you look over there.

[1527] Yeah, you go pee on a French book.

[1528] Why aren't we smoking?

[1529] Aren't we required to be smoking?

[1530] The coffee breath on these two individuals.

[1531] Truly.

[1532] They both set up all night.

[1533] in a humongous ford.

[1534] Just like sitting in a ford.

[1535] Smoking, eating pistachios.

[1536] Smoking.

[1537] Smoking and spitting for no reason.

[1538] Great job, guys.

[1539] You love it.

[1540] You did it.

[1541] Oh, this is Elsie.

[1542] Oh.

[1543] My daughter -in -law's a slut, she says.

[1544] Okay.

[1545] That's her.

[1546] I don't like it when people intrude in my house.

[1547] Yeah.

[1548] Who does?

[1549] Elsie.

[1550] Okay.

[1551] Great.

[1552] I think we're on the last.

[1553] last page, one moment.

[1554] Okay.

[1555] Elsie Abbott, Burton's mother, believed until her death at a hundred years old, that he was innocent.

[1556] She said that Burton was weak and slight and had TB as a child and half a lung, which proves that he could not have killed or carried or buried Stephanie.

[1557] Oh, honey, I have bad news for you.

[1558] He did all over those things.

[1559] He did it.

[1560] She said she thought, after his death comes out with this theory, she thinks it's her own brother, a truck driver and San Leandro, named Wilbur Moore, right?

[1561] You guys know.

[1562] She basically says her own brother did it and not her son.

[1563] It's later revealed, this is the big twisteroo, that Elsie Abbott was actually the first person to find that red purse in the box in the basement two months before Georgia found it, and she just never said anything.

[1564] Honey.

[1565] She's like, blinders of her mouth.

[1566] Another purse I found like the one I found in my son's room.

[1567] This woman was covering.

[1568] All right.

[1569] Wait, she found it in the room initially?

[1570] No, I'm making up lies about his childhood.

[1571] Okay.

[1572] Because I'm convinced that he did it.

[1573] The San Francisco Chronicle called this murder one of the most perplexing cases in the age old.

[1574] in the age -old annals of crime.

[1575] And that is the Stephanie, that is the murder sorry, of Stephanie O 'Brien.

[1576] Wow.

[1577] That is bananas and so sad and twisteroos?

[1578] Sad, and then also, it's not satisfying because then you're like, oh, there's potentially two innocent people died.

[1579] Do you think he did it?

[1580] Yes.

[1581] Okay.

[1582] The thing of him holding his breath?

[1583] Okay, anyways.

[1584] I know.

[1585] It's really dark.

[1586] Bananas.

[1587] Do we have time for a hometown?

[1588] Yeah, let's do a hometown murder.

[1589] Oh, look who it is.

[1590] Oh, it's Vince.

[1591] Vince Averill, everybody.

[1592] Vince Averill.

[1593] Say hello.

[1594] The podcast, how's it going back there?

[1595] It's good.

[1596] It's come to my attention that the term Hela originated in Oakland.

[1597] What?

[1598] In honor of that, let's keep this hometown Hela -type.

[1599] I'll be ready.

[1600] Okay, thank you.

[1601] Okay, so we're going to do you a couple rules really quick.

[1602] I know you know them, but this is important.

[1603] It needs to be local.

[1604] Oakland would be ideal, but definitely Baria.

[1605] We don't give a shit.

[1606] what happened in Wisconsin.

[1607] Don't tell us about it.

[1608] Obviously, it needs to be quick because we have to get out of here at a certain time.

[1609] So you need facts.

[1610] I need to be getting middle end those facts.

[1611] It's great when you know what happened at the end.

[1612] So like a button of some kind, you can't be so drunk that you can't follow your own line of thought.

[1613] That's important in life in general, but especially up here tonight.

[1614] And just remember if you get picked that everyone hates you, so you have to go fast.

[1615] Yeah.

[1616] Okay.

[1617] Okay.

[1618] Okay.

[1619] Who do we got?

[1620] Yeah?

[1621] Okay, come on up.

[1622] Yeah, yeah.

[1623] The pillow gal.

[1624] Quick, and bring that pillow for me. Immediately.

[1625] I say fast six times, and she jumps up and down with the pillow.

[1626] We don't have pillow jumping time here.

[1627] I'd like to add a little extra pressure.

[1628] She just ran out of the theater.

[1629] She's running to that canned wine.

[1630] Oh, there she is.

[1631] So am I. Come here.

[1632] Get out of here.

[1633] That was fast.

[1634] I have a cat shirt on too What's your name?

[1635] Hi Heidi Hi Heidi Nice to meet you're here Come here Let me hold this That's Willis Okay, that's Willis I love Lewis Where are you from?

[1636] Okay, I'm not from Oakland Goodbye No, I'm just kidding I'm in California though And this is really good Where are you from?

[1637] I'm from Bakersfield Okay, let's hear it Okay, so I'll go fast I've told the story a lot of times I was in seventh grade and my grandfather had been in the news because he misappropriated some government funds.

[1638] Oh.

[1639] That's a good start.

[1640] That's not the start.

[1641] No, but that's a good start.

[1642] So he was on Dateline, and that was not good in high school.

[1643] But anyway, that was okay.

[1644] Is this what the cat's about?

[1645] No, are this about the cats?

[1646] No, I'm just saying, is that why you need a cat?

[1647] Okay, it's fine.

[1648] I was making a light joke.

[1649] I shouldn't have interrupted you.

[1650] It's okay.

[1651] Go ahead.

[1652] I'm like, oh, my God, I can be this happening.

[1653] So anyway, so we lived out in this, my dad's a farm, where we live on the farm, and this house way out in the country, which happened to be Merle Haggard's old house.

[1654] Does anybody know Merle Haggard?

[1655] Yeah, sure.

[1656] Yeah, okay.

[1657] So, Merle Haggard lived on our farm.

[1658] He bought some acreage, and he, and then his wife drowned in the river.

[1659] You guys know the Kern River song, and she drowned.

[1660] And so then he sold the house back.

[1661] Okay.

[1662] And so we lived in his house, which was in the shape of a horseshoe, which is crazy.

[1663] And it had a guitar -shaped pool in the middle of it.

[1664] It's crazy.

[1665] And it had been abandoned, well, not abandoned, but like nobody lived in it for seven years.

[1666] And then we moved in it because my dad had to come back to Bakershild because of the whole, like, lawsuit.

[1667] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1668] Anyway, so he's working on the farm.

[1669] But so my government, my dad, anyway, our family was in the news, which is not good for junior high.

[1670] But so then people didn't like our families part of the time.

[1671] And so my parents were out.

[1672] And I was at home with my brother, who was in eighth grade, and John Bellini, who was his friend.

[1673] and I thought John was so cute and my other sister whose special name she was asleep and my other sister who's even older she was out with her boyfriend and my parents were at a party we're playing Monopoly and we start getting these phone calls like we know that you're playing Monopoly who's your friend that's over and like your sister Aaron is asleep where's Kara with her boyfriend and we're like oh my God this is so cool like somebody somebody wants to get us But now, this is before cell phones.

[1674] So then my parents come home.

[1675] And we're like, Mom, Dad, oh, my God.

[1676] Like, somebody's going to kill us.

[1677] And so they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1678] Okay, so then the phone calls keep on coming.

[1679] And we're still like, oh, my God.

[1680] And my dad goes upstairs to the top of the horseshoe, and I'm at the bottom of the horseshoe.

[1681] And I hit the phone rings again.

[1682] And I'm like, I'm going to pick it up and listen.

[1683] And my dad's like, I'm coming out.

[1684] And he also said he was going to, like, rape us and all this stuff.

[1685] Like, he knew all of our names and he knew what we were doing.

[1686] And so my dad's like, okay, motherfuckers, if you come out here, because he's a farmer, he's like, I will kill you because I have guns.

[1687] That's right.

[1688] And so, so then the guy's like, okay, I'm coming.

[1689] So phone call, stop, okay?

[1690] So then in the meantime, my oldest sister comes home with her boyfriend, Gino, Val Prado.

[1691] And Gina was super cool.

[1692] Yeah, we know Gina.

[1693] And so we're like, so they come up and we're like, oh my God, do you have to lose this?

[1694] Now they're coming.

[1695] My mom's like, everybody go to bed, stop it.

[1696] And so, and that was like midnight.

[1697] Because Kara's, yeah, it was probably like 12 .30.

[1698] She was probably late.

[1699] So it's probably 1230.

[1700] And so then, close the door, Gino, I think they kiss.

[1701] And then walk out.

[1702] This was like the old school 70s mansion with like 200 -yard lock drive, yeah, big ride -iron gate.

[1703] And the door, like, Gino's like pounding on the door.

[1704] He's like, oh, my God, let me in, let me in.

[1705] A car just rammed down the gate.

[1706] Oh, shit.

[1707] So this car comes tearing down the driveway.

[1708] Like the horseshoe, like the outside horseshoes, all windows.

[1709] and the car just comes up and shines, like, in the windows.

[1710] And my dad, he just comes down in his boxers with guns.

[1711] And he's just like, he's like, John Valeni, poor kid is probably like, what, are you in eighth grade, like 13, 14?

[1712] He's like, here's gun.

[1713] Son of you ever used one.

[1714] Gino, here's a gun.

[1715] Jamie, here's good.

[1716] And he's like, you know, and he's like, girls, get your sister, Aaron, who's special needs.

[1717] And like, you don't wake up Aaron.

[1718] And so that was not good.

[1719] So we're like, Aaron, we have to go to the top of the horseshoe.

[1720] and get locked in.

[1721] And so that my mom's on the phone with 911, and they're giving us keys, because we're farmers, too, so like, here's keys to the ATV, and here's keys to the truck.

[1722] And if somebody comes, you just go down to swirl care case and just drive, just drive.

[1723] And so, we hear a gunshot, and my mom, like, she drops the phone, so I grab it.

[1724] And the lady's like, there's gunshots, get your father inside.

[1725] Well, I was still upstairs.

[1726] So, anyway, the police come.

[1727] We're on a farm with all these oranges and whatever.

[1728] There's a big car chase.

[1729] And they never found him.

[1730] Anyone get shot?

[1731] Valeni was never allowed to come over ever again.

[1732] Shit.

[1733] Oh my.

[1734] Hands down my favorite hometown of all time.

[1735] Are you kidding me?

[1736] Our gift to you tonight is that you get a podcast.

[1737] Yes.

[1738] You got a podcast.

[1739] You broke every rule and you nailed it like unbelievably.

[1740] That was Jesus.

[1741] At the end.

[1742] Yep.

[1743] Of course the girl with the, I don't know why.

[1744] I picked the one person was.

[1745] a cat pillow, and I was like, this'll be normal.

[1746] It'll be great.

[1747] That's what we're going to do from now on.

[1748] Oh, my God.

[1749] That's my favorite story I've ever heard.

[1750] This fucking, she must be scared of, like, cars and headlights and fucking...

[1751] Horsesues.

[1752] Keys and guitar -shaped pools.

[1753] Merle Haggard.

[1754] Heidi nailed it.

[1755] Amazing.

[1756] Wow.

[1757] Oh, my God.

[1758] That was beautiful.

[1759] Oakland, you angels.

[1760] You old sweet babies.

[1761] Thank you guys.

[1762] Thank you so much.

[1763] That was.

[1764] God damn it.

[1765] It's been a while since we've been here and we appreciate you guys welcoming us back.

[1766] We fucking love it here.

[1767] We love the Bay Area.

[1768] It's one of our favorite places to be.

[1769] It's very, for me, it's very exciting because it's like coming home and being here with you guys and being here at the Paramount, not working at the Gap on Upper Market, but instead being here in a fancy theater doing basically my favorite thing I've ever done for a living in my life, which is doing this podcast with Georgia Hardstock and fucking talking about true crime, which we all love so much, and we used to think we weren't allowed to say we loved it, and now we can say whatever the fuck we want, and it's the best.

[1770] Thank you, guys.

[1771] Yeah, thanks for letting us fucking do this.

[1772] It's amazing.

[1773] We love you guys.

[1774] Thanks for being here.

[1775] And thanks for being so good to each other.

[1776] Keep it up.

[1777] It's important, especially these days.

[1778] Stay connected.

[1779] Talk to each other.

[1780] It's so cool to watch you guys all becoming such great friends.

[1781] This is all so exciting and we're so thrilled.

[1782] So thank you for everything.

[1783] Stay sexy.

[1784] And do!