#1748 - Beeple

[0] Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

[1] The Joe Rogan Experience.

[2] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[3] Hello, Mike.

[4] Hey, how's it going?

[5] You look exactly how I thought you were going to look.

[6] Isn't that perfect?

[7] How is that?

[8] Good.

[9] You look like an eccentric, fun art guy.

[10] An eccentric fun art guy.

[11] All those things are positive.

[12] It's all positive.

[13] I guess that's...

[14] I guess that's...

[15] That's actually pretty accurate right now, I guess.

[16] Yeah.

[17] I guess you're an eccentric fun art there.

[18] And I brought you in here for one specific reason.

[19] For two reasons.

[20] One, because I think you're really talented and I enjoy your stuff.

[21] Thank you.

[22] Two, because I want you to explain NFTs to me. Jamie's tried.

[23] Everyone's tried multiple times.

[24] And you are probably the most famous NFT guy right now in terms of like your success with NFTs.

[25] Like your NFTs of, what did you just hold for like an exorbitant amount of money?

[26] we did over a hundred million dollars this year 100 million dollars over 100 million not counting like secondary sales like yeah primary sales over that's an incredible amount of money yeah it's a incredible amount of money it's insane like it's like saying that is just what does that mean mind boggling does that i don't know what that is like you're speaking words in french that you don't know the names pretty much yeah yeah it's it's something that i think is going to take a long time to process because it's so new and it's something that just came out of nowhere.

[27] Right.

[28] Like, again, I did not know of this like a year ago.

[29] What does it mean?

[30] What does NFT mean?

[31] Yeah, what does it mean?

[32] I know it's a non -fungible token, but what is that?

[33] So it's basically just a proof of sort of like ownership of something.

[34] It really can be sort of like applied to like a bunch of different things.

[35] And to be quite honest, there's a bunch of ways you could use it.

[36] And like, I think it would be very interesting way to sort of like interact with your fans.

[37] and I think it will sort of permeate a bunch of different sort of like industries, not just art. That's just sort of the beginning of it.

[38] I think it's going to be like email.

[39] It's going to be like something where you don't get to be like, I don't like it.

[40] It's just going to be like you have, it's like part of being on the internet.

[41] And that's just going to be part of the internet.

[42] I've thought about doing something.

[43] This is my thought.

[44] I thought about creating like a separate branch of this company and then having that entirely dedicated to charity.

[45] Yep.

[46] And then just use that.

[47] the NFTs to generate money for charity.

[48] A hundred percent you could do that.

[49] Because it seems like a great way to just generate money for charity.

[50] Absolutely.

[51] It seems gross if I generate money for myself at this point in time.

[52] But if I just, uh, that's fair.

[53] That's fair.

[54] Generate just money for charity with that.

[55] I think it's a good idea.

[56] You could generate a lot of money because that's the thing.

[57] It's really just a great way to sort of like organize people around like a common goal.

[58] Like did you see the constitution Tao thing?

[59] No. So basically there is like constitution what thing?

[60] It's a constitution.

[61] It's called constitution Dow.

[62] Dow?

[63] Like, T -A -O?

[64] No, D -A -O.

[65] That's another -D -A -O.

[66] So there's, Dows are sort of Decentral Autonomous Organizations.

[67] And so that's another sort of like thing kind of in this N -FT ecosystem.

[68] Hold on a second.

[69] Did you know about this?

[70] This is a new thing for you?

[71] Nope.

[72] I've tried to explain this too once or twice.

[73] Did the Dow thing?

[74] Did you know the Dow thing?

[75] Yeah, yeah.

[76] I literally told you this multiple times, Joe.

[77] No, you never tried to explain.

[78] You never tried to explain a Dow to me, did you?

[79] I wouldn't have started with that.

[80] No, no, no. It's definitely, like, all these things are very new.

[81] And, like, literally, this is a term that pretty much came to prominence, me, six months ago, eight months ago.

[82] Like, they were around, but not that popular.

[83] Now they're becoming very popular.

[84] And so what happened is with this Constitution Dow is people organized to buy the Constitution.

[85] It was up at, like, auction at Sotheby's or Christie's or one of these.

[86] And it was, like, $40 million.

[87] The actual Constitution you could buy?

[88] Part of the Constitution.

[89] Why does it Bill Gates have that and just start editing it?

[90] Put his own wars.

[91] Everyone must be vaccinated.

[92] My vaccine.

[93] Everyone wins those.

[94] How does it go to that?

[95] How does it go to anything?

[96] But if you have the Constitution, technically.

[97] It was a copy.

[98] Fuck it.

[99] There's like 10 and 11 copies.

[100] It was one of them.

[101] Imagine whoever owns the Constitution gets to like write in whatever the fuck you want.

[102] I think that's what some people might have thought as they were joining us.

[103] Could you imagine?

[104] You just added it.

[105] Can you imagine if you have your own constitution?

[106] Right, sure.

[107] Mike gets to be king.

[108] It's tokenized.

[109] But so anyway.

[110] It's free and legal.

[111] So it, they basically kind of like pulled all their money together really quickly.

[112] They pulled together from like 20 ,000 people, like $40 million and like tried to buy it.

[113] And they just barely lost out by like, I don't know, $5 million or something.

[114] One of the, I don't know who bought it.

[115] But it was a copy of the Constitution.

[116] It was a copy.

[117] It was just like a fucking piece of paper.

[118] It's like a baseball card for the government.

[119] Right.

[120] But the copy was generated when?

[121] Like 1800 or 1790, whatever.

[122] Like, it's just an artifact.

[123] It's just literally just like a...

[124] Ancient script.

[125] Yeah, like just kind of like a like thing.

[126] But sort of, it kind of shows how people can sort of like organize very quickly around sort of like a goal.

[127] And so that's where if you had like a doubt for like charity, you could sort of like organize people to sort of like have voting power and like these are the charities we want to support.

[128] You could kind of like have a role in it as well.

[129] And the problem with that is you could have groups that are organized.

[130] that would go and generate money for a specific charity and that charity might be bullshit.

[131] Well, and that's where you have role you can program in the rules in it.

[132] I think so you can make it very like checks and balances so it's not just like, okay, one person's just like, okay, here let's give it to whatever.

[133] I don't want to do that.

[134] I want to have control over what the charity was.

[135] And you could do that too.

[136] You can set it up however you want.

[137] Like here's the like choices.

[138] Like, okay, I'm going to pick these three these charities that I like.

[139] and I approve all of them and you guys like vote with the community.

[140] So you can set it up however you want.

[141] Do you know much about charities?

[142] I know not that much.

[143] I'm learning more and we're doing a bunch of charity work like next year that we're like selling artworks and stuff and like a bunch of auctions.

[144] There's a few charities that I support because I know the people that are responsible for the charity.

[145] I know like how they organize and how they run it.

[146] But man, a lot of charities are slippery.

[147] And what's slippery about them is, well, it's not necessarily that they're bullshit.

[148] Or they waste a lot of them.

[149] The money, the money goes to fucking just bullshit.

[150] Well, it's bloated.

[151] Yeah.

[152] So what happens is a lot of the people that are running these charities wind up making an exorbitant amount of money while running charities.

[153] And you find out that these people are making, like, high six figures, and they're running charities.

[154] And you're like, wait a minute, how much of the money actually goes to the charitable act?

[155] Sure.

[156] Yeah, that's important.

[157] And generally speaking, it's not much.

[158] Yeah, yeah.

[159] Like, we've pulled it up before what we've shown, like, some of the best charities and worst charities.

[160] In terms of, like, how much you donate where it actually goes.

[161] You know, the best charities, obviously, like, if you could go to the source, right?

[162] If you could create, if you could figure out a way to get money directly to people that are in need, right?

[163] That's, like, the best charity.

[164] But then you have to get people to facilitate that and you have to pay them, which obviously they deserve to be paid, right?

[165] But it's like, should they be getting rich off a charity?

[166] Like, then the thing is like, okay, but they just want a job, right?

[167] is the charity for I mean it's you're supposed to the wealthy people are supposed to be donating but if you need people to run that job they shouldn't be doing it for charitable donations like they should be getting paid like a normal person sure they should be able to live comfortably while they're doing this hard work yeah so I get both sides of it yeah it's definitely something though that you can like if you want to see your money do the maximum amount of good which I'm sure you do like it's something you do need to like sort of you know kind of keep tabs on I also just don't want to donate to anything that's bullshit.

[168] But again, that's where you can control it and you sort of give the options to the like thing that are all sort of like already approved by you.

[169] So it's sort of like it's not just giving up control.

[170] You can kind of like bring in the community in ways that you want that sort of like augment it and kind of like get feedback but it's still in a sort of like controlled manner.

[171] So it's there's a lot of different ways to like kind of like use this technology to interact with your sort of like fans or like followers.

[172] Since I've been Paying, like, ever since I had, I had this woman Renee DeResta on who researched the Internet Research Agency from Russia.

[173] They run troll farms.

[174] Okay.

[175] They influence all of our social media, like, from top to bottom.

[176] This is, this is how bad it is.

[177] They found out recently that 19 of the top 20 Christian sites on Facebook are run by troll farms.

[178] Jesus.

[179] No, it's that, it's that intertwined.

[180] There are so many times where someone, I'll read a comment.

[181] Like groups?

[182] like Christian what like groups like Facebook groups yeah yeah like Facebook groups organizing because Obama's the Satanist like that kind of shit and you go like who is this who thinks Obama's a Satanist and then you go and look into it and you're like oh this isn't even a real person like this you go to their Twitter page I there's so many times recently that I've gone to people's Twitter pages and I've looked at what they're right I'm like I don't think this is a real person I think this is like and they have like a weird name and then it's a bot it's not a bot it could be yeah it could just be a person and like It's a person that's getting paid.

[183] This is why it's complicated, because a lot of them are funny.

[184] They're humor.

[185] This is one of the things that Renee DeResta said.

[186] She went over hundreds of thousands of memes, and a lot of them were actually funny.

[187] So my point is, whenever you allow people to vote on things online now, you're dealing with an exorbitant amount of fuckery.

[188] That's true.

[189] Organized fuckery from these countries that literally have a vested interest in causing mistrust.

[190] So what they could do is if you had a bunch of people that were voting on a charity, they would develop a fake charity that sucks and then they would rig the voting.

[191] They would have like thousands of people vote for this.

[192] Because a lot of people don't vote.

[193] They're fucking busy, right?

[194] So they would have like an organized campaign.

[195] They have thousands of people working for them.

[196] Well, I will say with hundreds of thousands of accounts.

[197] I will say with this though, you make it so that they have to pay to vote and that's the difference.

[198] And that filters a lot.

[199] That's where you're sort of, you'd be sort of like.

[200] selling some sort of like basic voting right in this like Dow or like organization and that kind of filters it's over I'm out I'm out I don't like what you're saying I think it's be better if I just sell NFTs and no Dow's I'm not it's there's a bunch of different ways where I think you can like sort of like use it but I mean there's and we're still very much at the beginning of this okay and it's like these things are very new and and yeah there's going to be downsides too 100 % that you're not incorrect to approach this with like hesitation because there's no like rush to it because it's still being figured out and like people are figuring out what works what doesn't work and so I think it's something to sort of like you know have on your radar but it's not like something where you need to like super super like rush into it because it's right it's not going away at all the things that are ridiculously profitable this is one of the most confusing and one of the ones that I saw I never saw coming I was like, when it was happening, I was like, what is this?

[201] And I've had 20 people explain it to me. How did you find out?

[202] Like, well, let's go back to this.

[203] You've been basically putting up a new piece of art every single day on your website.

[204] And it's amazing stuff.

[205] A lot of it is animated.

[206] A lot of it is not.

[207] It's like, first of all, how do you generate this stuff?

[208] So I've been doing, yeah, a picture every day for the last 14 plus years.

[209] And it's every single day, no days all.

[210] off.

[211] It's done that day.

[212] Christmas.

[213] New Year's.

[214] Kids born.

[215] Wow.

[216] Wife, you know, about to go to the hospital.

[217] Is your wife like your fuck face?

[218] Take a day off?

[219] No. Absolutely not.

[220] Insanely supportive.

[221] She's been there the whole time.

[222] We started going out a year before I started this.

[223] So she's seen the whole thing when nobody gave any fuck about what I was doing.

[224] But now you've got to be like.

[225] In a fucking coffee shop, like with a fucking computer, no fuck's given.

[226] Like, seeing the whole sort of like progression now you have to be like I told you so no no no she knew like she was super supportive the whole time so it's like she honestly and I think what people don't maybe realize is my story is a little more incremental than it looks like it kind of it got it went it went a little fucking hockey stick at the end here but like hockey stick I like that but it was like sort of you know gaining popularity and that's how I learned of NFTs is sort of like my fans kept coming up to me and like look at this you got to look at this you got to like look at this and it was like and I also was just like what the fuck is this is not fucking for me it's fucking complicated as shit and you were just into the art yeah I was just do I mean this was a year ago this was sort of like I was already I'd already done 20 years of art and build you know a couple million followers on you know social media and stuff and sort of like you know you'd see my stuff a couple years ago and like yeah when did we first get in contact with each other I think I've reached out to you or you 2019 like when I started doing that like Trump stuff It was actually right around when I started doing that.

[227] Some of them were so preposterous, like mechanical trumps with things off of his nipples.

[228] And wasn't there one with Hillary Clinton's head was inside of his gut or something like that?

[229] There's been a lot of bad stuff.

[230] This is a bad stuff.

[231] You mean the best artwork ever.

[232] Picture.

[233] Yeah, there's one.

[234] Look at that one.

[235] Can you pull up the picture from last night?

[236] Look at that one.

[237] Oh, my God.

[238] Yeah, there's been some stuff.

[239] How are you generating these images?

[240] What do you use?

[241] So the program is called Cinema 4D and the renderer that I use is Octane.

[242] And it's basically, it's kind of like a sort of like 3D space.

[243] Like you play, that's the thing.

[244] You play, used to play, I heard quake and like, yeah.

[245] So it's like that.

[246] It's like a 3D space like that where I can like think about the monsters.

[247] You can like place them wherever.

[248] That's I could just place whatever sort of like images or sort of like 3D models wherever I want.

[249] Scale them up, break them apart, put boobs on them, draw on them afterwards, on the picture on top of it to like change out any sort of like piece of it like I could so there's last night I saw that I saw you had it blurred out on the Instagram with the sloppy cheese this is like a bit longer but like four hours in my hotel room last night on a laptop sitting alone listening to music like looking at dicks not looking at dicks making all of them uncircumcised drawing and so basically Basically, I found a 3D model of a dick.

[250] I went and bought or I bought a 3D model of a dick.

[251] And so I've got a lot of these other sort of like models of like people and like stuff like this.

[252] I've got like a huge library of like these like models that I can like put jam shit in.

[253] It's called kit bashing.

[254] I can like bash it in really fast.

[255] I got to interject sometimes.

[256] Like what do you mean you bought a 3D model of a dick?

[257] What does that mean?

[258] So.

[259] He just glossed over that.

[260] You noticed that?

[261] That's true.

[262] How did you do this?

[263] I don't know what you're saying.

[264] Okay, so a 3D model of a dick is basically just a, I'm trying to like, it's kind of like a representation in like a game sort of like engine of a like dick.

[265] And so it's like the shape of a dick and you can put any sort of like texture on it.

[266] So again, think of like in a 3D world you see like a gun or a car.

[267] Right.

[268] Instead of it being a car, it's a dick.

[269] And I can place it wherever I want and then sort of like compose a like picture with it.

[270] But you purchase it.

[271] Yeah, you could just buy it.

[272] There's just, like, sites where you can just, like, go on there.

[273] Dick, penis, 3D model.

[274] And how much is a 3D dick model cost?

[275] I believe it was $12.

[276] So you get a 3D dick model.

[277] Is it used Bitcoin?

[278] How are you paying for this?

[279] No, it's just like a fucking, it's like nothing.

[280] It's like fucking Amazon.

[281] It's like two seconds.

[282] So it's a one click?

[283] Yeah.

[284] No, it's not on Amazon, but it's like, I know what you're saying.

[285] It's like, yeah, it's like nothing.

[286] It's like their sites, TurboSquid is another one.

[287] Turbo Squid has literally probably, I don't.

[288] don't even know, millions of 3D models.

[289] They're the, like, biggest one.

[290] I've used tons and tons of models from them.

[291] You just type anything, a bike, bicycle, car, helmet, whatever.

[292] And literally, like, you can pull up an enormous amount of, like, models.

[293] And you could just buy them, like, in, you know, two seconds.

[294] And they can put them into the thing and sort of, like, animate them, light them, do whatever with them.

[295] So when you're doing something like this, like the Dick one or this, what is this Kanye Drake one?

[296] Yeah, for their, like, when they did the.

[297] like concert thing yeah so when you do something like this like where's do you have an idea and you you just sit down or do you sit down and then just start fucking around and then eventually an idea comes to you like kind of what's your process usually i have an idea like this i knew they were doing that concert and so it was like okay i'm going to do something with like a freaking like monster that's like both of them if they like a lot of these things are sort of like, ideas of like, current events sort of like extrapolated out into like a fucking crazy future.

[298] And so this is sort of like, you know, if far in the future, they'd sort of merge their like bodies into this one giant like Kanye.

[299] Go back to the page.

[300] Drake Beast.

[301] They just go back to all the images.

[302] So who's that guy on the right hand side with the missile silos?

[303] What is that?

[304] That guy.

[305] So it's like a Santa, like kind of like, like, like.

[306] imagining Santa was some sort of like in like a giant trash heap with all of these sort of like this industry that's sort of like grown around him like far in the future and it's just sort of this desolate area where this giant commerce beast used to like roam the earth like it's very like I kind of sort of um I don't know usually just place these things and then sort of like after almost am sort of like able to see and kind of like I have like a vague idea when I'm doing it sometimes a very specific idea but a lot of times it's sort of like just playing around until I like find something that sort of I don't know resonates and sort of feels like a thing and a lot of times I usually just run out of time because it has to be done by midnight too what time do you usually start do you sit down on a specific time every night no it's sort of like usually it's late but it has to be done by midnight that day has to be done by midnight and post it online.

[307] That's it.

[308] It's never sort of like, oh, okay, I'm staying up until 3am.

[309] It's done by midnight.

[310] Like, and post it online.

[311] That is very, like, sort of.

[312] That's your rule.

[313] Yeah.

[314] This is two humans, it says.

[315] This is, what is this supposed to represent?

[316] I'm going to be honest.

[317] I have no idea.

[318] This was just like I liked how this monkey had looked.

[319] I have no idea on this one.

[320] I do not have some flowery bullshit for this one.

[321] I don't know.

[322] I just kind of like how the, like, teeth of the, like, monkey.

[323] And just they're like, I don't know.

[324] Their eyes are like so crazy.

[325] And is this another thing where you got an image online and you just started working with it?

[326] Yeah, same thing.

[327] It's sort of like I've got, I've got a bunch of things.

[328] So in that picture, I've got sort of I can make the ground sort of glossy to make it look like it's water.

[329] And then I've got a texture that looks like dirt.

[330] And I can just apply it to just a flat sort of like plain.

[331] And then it just looks like dirt.

[332] And then I've got, I can populate grass and then just pull in like a 3D deer model and then sort of tweak the lighting.

[333] I can also put lights.

[334] wherever I want.

[335] So I can sort of like change it from like daylight or like make any sort of like lighting condition.

[336] That's pretty dope.

[337] So it's like a 3D game engine.

[338] It's like a game engine.

[339] Exactly.

[340] And then I'm just like kind of like, then I have like a virtual camera that I'm pointing wherever and then I just take a still of it.

[341] Go back to that, Jamie.

[342] This, um, uh, this smiley face like what do you, where do you get the texture for that thing?

[343] Look at the texture on that.

[344] That's so dope.

[345] Yeah.

[346] So I've got like a bunch of different textures.

[347] And then I also run it through a filter that makes it look more like a painting.

[348] So you can see on the.

[349] the edge there how it's kind of like overpainted almost kind of like like like a not an AI but sort of this filter that makes it look more almost like painterly too so I'm doing a lot of things afterwards like painting on top of it and like and you're sort of getting these ideas as you're doing it just kind of like flow yeah as I've sort of like you know the the style of these has sort of like evolved a lot over the last 14 years like if you go back like you know three years they look nothing like this and if you go back another three years they look totally totally different they were most of them are like abstract and they were just like sort of like colors and shapes like no weird sort of like people or anything like so when you first started doing this this kind of digital art did you have a regular job and were you just doing this for fun so i started when i was in college there's water in this thing too if you want some there's a glass right there for you um i started when i was in college and i went to school for like computer science and then I just started making these, like, weird, like, digital art things and, like, short films with my friends and stuff like that.

[350] And then out of school, I got a job doing web design and then just kept making this stuff on the side.

[351] Nobody was, there was no way to sell it.

[352] It was just sort of, like, putting it out online.

[353] And then sort of, it was getting me better, like, freelance jobs, though.

[354] So I was slowly sort of, like, getting better stuff to, you know, at the end, I'm doing stuff for the Super Bowl and Louis Vuitton and Imagine Dragon's cover.

[355] When did that start happening?

[356] It just slowly kept building.

[357] And this is because of your presence online?

[358] Like people would find out about you?

[359] Yeah.

[360] And so like Louis Vuitton came and they were just sort of like, okay, we want to put the everydays on the like clothes.

[361] And it was just like, what?

[362] Like you're just going to put these pictures on like women's clothes.

[363] And they're like, yeah.

[364] What are you saying?

[365] Everdays?

[366] The every days.

[367] Those pictures.

[368] Oh.

[369] The every days.

[370] Just each one of those like images.

[371] Oh, you call your images every days.

[372] Yeah.

[373] Well, those.

[374] Most people don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[375] So slow down.

[376] slow down so this is one of your images on clothes that's fair that's fair yeah you're saying every day's like everybody right you didn't know what he's saying did you yeah he speaks he speaks spectrum he did he did bro both of you guys are on the same level of spectrum that's on you that is not on me you're saying every days I put these every days on I don't know what you're saying he knew a lot of people listening don't know what the fuck I'm trying to speak for everybody so that's your original image in the lower right hand corner and then the actual close is what Louis Vuitton.

[377] Did these sell well?

[378] I have no idea.

[379] Did you ever walk down the street and see some dork wearing one of these?

[380] I did not.

[381] I did not.

[382] Honestly, I have no idea.

[383] It's just, it's definitely very, like, super weird.

[384] And, like, we were at the, like, opening of this.

[385] And I did not think they had actually used it.

[386] Like, I assume they were just, like, you know, some.

[387] These are, they're actually, these are real images, right?

[388] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[389] That's like, that was the original image.

[390] And they were, basically, the original image had.

[391] that McDonald's logo on it.

[392] They're like, change that McDonald's logo to a Louis Vuitton logo and then they just put it on the middle of the shirt.

[393] I want you to imagine being on a date with a girl and she shows up wearing that thing.

[394] First of all, I'm like, are you, do you live on Tatuni?

[395] Are you in Star Wars?

[396] Like, what the fuck is that?

[397] What is that shirt you're wearing?

[398] What is this outfit?

[399] Why do you have a hood on?

[400] Right?

[401] You have a skirt with a hood.

[402] You are sending mixed messages.

[403] Are you cold?

[404] Or is it breezy?

[405] it can go a lot of ways do you have a rope around you is that shirt tied with a rope what kind of drugs do you like lady that would be a short date short or long depending on how she answers the questions right imagine yeah it's definitely interesting yeah really interesting so so they started doing that and what are the companies have utilized the images um a bunch of different sort of like and i've also done a bunch of like concert visuals that was another sort of like other whole other thing that I did where I was basically giving away these sort of like short abstract clips that are just kind of 15 second long clips that I don't know if you can pull up some of those but they're kind of just abstract um ambient things that people can use for anything and so a bunch of people started they became very popular in sort of the concert visual world and like so popular that they were like not cool to use because it's like oh you're just using the people clips like so they would put them in the background like on those giant screens Yeah, and so, like, all over the world, like, people use these clips.

[406] They're, like, super, super popular.

[407] If you just type in VJ clip, like, that's what comes up.

[408] Like this kind of stuff?

[409] Yeah, and so this is one of them, and so, like, they be, because I'm just giving them away for free.

[410] Hold on.

[411] So just always remember that most people are just listening.

[412] So what we're looking at here is this wild thing where you're going through, like, a pond, or like some kind of a lake or something, and these wild floating digital red images are in the air.

[413] This is wild stuff, man. So this would be playing in the background and someone would be jamming out on stage.

[414] Yeah, so if some band wanted to use this, and it loops, it's like a perfect loop.

[415] It will just like keep going like forever.

[416] You could just download it for free.

[417] You don't have to credit me. You don't have to do anything.

[418] You just literally take this and put it in your show.

[419] Oh, that's cool.

[420] And so I have hundreds of these out.

[421] And so most people just kind of know it to you.

[422] No, no. They like, yeah, they sort of like, if they download it from me, they sort of like see it.

[423] And they're sort of very well known that these like clips are like free.

[424] because I've been doing this for like 10 years like it's cool that you put them out for free yeah it's just sort of like something where I love making these clips I had no use for them like I tried VJ a couple times and it was sort of like it's not really for me but I like making the clips and so it's sort of like other people can use these so I've got yeah like a couple hundred of these and so they all loop so that you can just keep them going for like a long time so like you're making that so it's the same sort of like program it's just like animated that's not if I feel like you could almost make a whole movie man can you Yeah, it's very time -consuming, though.

[425] Can you make people's mouths move?

[426] Yeah, that's the kind of shit that's like very, like, very, very, very, time -consuming stuff?

[427] Very, very time -consuming stuff?

[428] What if everybody had a mask on so you don't have to fuck with their face?

[429] You could do that.

[430] That's something I do.

[431] We live in a new world.

[432] We put a lot of, like, masks on.

[433] So these are just, like, clips people can kind of, like, download news for whatever.

[434] And so that's how I got connected and did a bunch of jobs for, like, Justin Bieber and Ariana Grande.

[435] And, like, through, like, you know, a company in L .A. called possible they like you know sort of have hire me for a bunch of different stuff and I've this is cool worked on the Super Bowl and sort of like a bunch of different things through like this stuff so what we're looking at here it says crystal dust free VJ loop so you look at all these online and they all say free VJ loop so you how many of these do you have available for VJs probably like 250 or something like that wow so I think I found out about you from it's free VJ loops if you just type in VJ loops Yeah, and it's Beeple is the YouTube page.

[436] I found out about you, somebody sent me, I think it was one of the earlier animated ones, whether it was a Trump one or a Kim Jong -un one or something like that.

[437] And I was like, what in the fuck is this?

[438] So that's actually a pretty recent one, because that was only like two, three years ago.

[439] Yeah, that's what I found out about you.

[440] Yeah, yeah.

[441] I mean, a while back from me. Sure, sure, sure.

[442] Yeah, and so, like, those kind of like sort of, you know, more political ones and sort of like ones that are like commentating on stuff have been sort of recent.

[443] But honestly, they weren't really like possible like, you know, when I started.

[444] Like there wasn't all these like model libraries where you could just super quickly like grab conning, grab, well, or just have models because it's sort of like I didn't make the like Trump face model.

[445] I just got it and like can use it.

[446] How much is the Trump face model cost?

[447] That I think actually I got from a buddy.

[448] I think that was from a friend actually.

[449] What does that phone call like?

[450] Hey, man. No, he's like a guy.

[451] I'm going to have Trump with nipples that shoot out laser beams.

[452] Oh, maybe it was that one.

[453] I don't know.

[454] Actually, yeah, I think it is that one.

[455] How much, $84?

[456] Oh, that's expensive.

[457] Well, they know you need it.

[458] That's why.

[459] Yeah, so this is a site where you can just like kind of like download sort of like all these things.

[460] So those are like full sort of like you could download that entire sort of like sat.

[461] And so you have that entire like scene.

[462] Oh, okay.

[463] Right there for a hundred bucks.

[464] And so it's sort of like these things are, are.

[465] relatively very, very, very cheap for how long it would take to, like, make that from scratch, very, very cheap.

[466] I was listening to some old rap music, some 90s rap yesterday, and I was thinking, like, God, so many guys used Trump in rap songs in a positive way in the 90s.

[467] Guys were calling themselves a black Trump.

[468] Like, they were talking, I'm rich like Trump, you know, holding, holding cash like Trump.

[469] You think he's going to run?

[470] You think he's going to run?

[471] A hundred percent.

[472] A hundred percent.

[473] Did you catch the Nancy Reagan stuff over the weekend?

[474] No. Nancy Reagan stuff.

[475] I didn't either?

[476] No, what is that?

[477] Someone put up a picture of like comparing Nancy Reagan.

[478] Actually, it was Ben Shapiro's sister, I think.

[479] Oh, boy.

[480] Nancy Reagan to Madonna at age like 63 or 64.

[481] And then someone commented below that, hey, Nancy Reagan is known historically in Hollywood as being like very good at a blowjob.

[482] What?

[483] Yeah.

[484] But what history?

[485] What does that mean?

[486] I can pull that out, but Jamie Vernon is known historically for being very good at blow drops.

[487] And people are like, Jamie.

[488] It was in a book that someone wrote like a historical book and like there's a bunch of guys that talked about it.

[489] As soon as a historical book starts mentioning old lady sucking dicks, I get skeptical.

[490] I just thought she was trending on Twitter.

[491] I was like, why is Nancy Reagan trending for two days?

[492] and I started digging through it.

[493] I was like, holy, it's become like an internet meme now about.

[494] That's why I'm off Twitter.

[495] Show me this image that compares Nancy Reagan to Madonna at the same age.

[496] The thing about Madonna is like you never really know what she looks like because every picture is so heavily filtered.

[497] Like if you didn't know anybody, you'd think she's 30 years old.

[498] We're actually working on a thing.

[499] See, here's even like Ben Shapiro's sister tried to slut shame Madonna by comparing her to Nancy Reagan and it backfired.

[500] Oh, God.

[501] Who wrote this?

[502] Oh, the Daily Dot.

[503] Oh, you silly people.

[504] But that's the tweet.

[505] Oh, didn't fucking, she got mad at 50 Cent.

[506] I saw that because 50 Cent was making fun of her for being in her underwear in some Instagram post.

[507] Where is this comparison?

[508] That was the picture right there.

[509] Oh, right there?

[510] Yeah, she's 63 in that picture.

[511] Nancy Reagan is 64 in that picture.

[512] See, look at, that's what I'm saying.

[513] That might as well be a beephole.

[514] That's not really her.

[515] Like she's got one titty hanging out Dude, we are working on something I am working on something with Madonna But like look at that image Make that larger if you can Because like what is that That's not even a picture That's a cartoon What do you mean?

[516] I mean she's got For sure She's got one titty out Right And she's got a heart over the nipple What do you mean?

[517] What do you think is Photoshop?

[518] I don't think it's that Photoshop What are you talking about?

[519] Look at her face Dude I know Photoshop shit I don't think it's Maybe a little bit.

[520] Listen to me. You don't think that's filter?

[521] There's some filter, but I don't think it's that much.

[522] What?

[523] Are you crazy?

[524] A little maybe.

[525] No human skin looks like that, bro.

[526] A little on the face, maybe, man. A lot on the face.

[527] What are you, a secret Madonna fan?

[528] We found a Madonna apologist here.

[529] This man is a Madonnaologist.

[530] By the way, I was a giant Madonna fan, that's young boy.

[531] Look at those shoes.

[532] She never wore them a day in her life.

[533] Go back.

[534] Try running in those shoes, lady.

[535] You're going to fall flat on your fucking ass.

[536] Look how slippery, though.

[537] bottoms of those things are that is a feat imagine her trying to run on wet grass with those things on good luck preposterous but it's still like when you're 63 years old and you're you're you're doing that like and nancy regan is with her whole grandchildren and shit let's see the picture of her i don't know which one i'd rather hang out with i think madonna she probably has a lot of cool gay friends and it's probably a cool underground place she could take you to with great music and good hors d 'oeuvres that's true she's just like she was like she was like she was No place to go to.

[538] She's got that.

[539] Good martini's.

[540] Yeah, she knows people.

[541] There's her there.

[542] Okay.

[543] Okay, so that is odd.

[544] That picture's odd.

[545] But, you know, she's always been odd.

[546] She's just odd in her 60s now.

[547] Yeah, the thing we're working on, I will say, it goes pretty hard.

[548] I'm sure it does.

[549] It will be interesting.

[550] When have you ever done one that doesn't go hard?

[551] It goes pretty hard.

[552] We'll see people's reaction to it.

[553] So when did you first start doing the animation?

[554] So I've been doing animations for like a very long time, but they looked very, very different, like 20 years ago.

[555] Like they were very simple and like the tools were, it was not 3D.

[556] It was like sort of like very synced audio and video.

[557] And so slowly I've sort of like the tools have gotten much more sophisticated that like the things you could do now were like, you know, Hollywood like full effects like, you know, 15 years ago.

[558] Yeah.

[559] That it's like, okay, that shot would have cost like, you know, $15 million.

[560] now you can do it for a thousand bucks yeah there's there's all sorts of like fan created videos they're fucking good too dude they're fucking insane amazing they're fucking insane well the special effects that you can do with a regular computer now are just off the charts the fucking phone now dude like the fucking phones fucking crazy like it's just it's getting the tools are like getting cheaper and cheaper and there's so much information out there too to like like sort of, you know, let people get really, really quickly assimilated into a technology.

[561] And then they share their information.

[562] And it's just like multiplying, like, so fast how these things sort of like, you know.

[563] It's very exciting.

[564] Yeah, it's definitely.

[565] The, just the cameras on these phones.

[566] I mean, you, digital cameras, like a small digital camera.

[567] Jamie's a real photography nut.

[568] And so he uses, like, he still uses a real camera camera.

[569] But for regular photos, it's totally unnecessary now.

[570] They're insane.

[571] They're so good.

[572] I have an iPhone that I use, I carry two phones, and I have a galaxy, S -21 Ultra, and you can take a photo of the fucking moon with this thing.

[573] Have you seen that?

[574] No, no. Dude, it's incredible.

[575] It has like some sort of AI fuckery is involved in it, but it's also that has some insane digital zoom, where you hold the galaxy towards the moon, and it recognizes that you're looking at the moon.

[576] So it frames it up in a small square, and then you spread it apart.

[577] and zoom, and you can get these high resolution beautiful images of the surface of the fucking moon.

[578] That's crazy, and they specifically programmed it for the moon.

[579] Yes, it's called moonshot.

[580] It's a mode.

[581] That's crazy.

[582] That's super sweet.

[583] The galaxy cameras are like, look, iPhone cameras are fucking incredible, no doubt.

[584] But the galaxy cameras have way more adjustability.

[585] If you're into, like, fucking around with the stuff, there's way more features.

[586] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[587] There's way more different modes and things you can do.

[588] at a little more with the iPhone now sort of like braw and shooting and all that stuff like that I took that photo that's crazy for the phone man I mean how wild is that that is insane I took that with a phone it's definitely it's just and that's the thing we haven't even had these phones that long I know the phones every year they get better like a phone like you know 16 years like that's not that long yeah and the real phones like in terms of like smartphones is 2007 yeah that's when it started yeah that's true I mean that's really like Intel it's really really, you know, got real.

[589] So really 14 years.

[590] Yeah.

[591] It's wild, man. And they keep getting fucking better.

[592] Every year they get better.

[593] The battery life on them is insane now.

[594] Yeah.

[595] It's just, uh, we're...

[596] They charge super fast.

[597] Super fast.

[598] It's just like an hour's like, boom, smashed up.

[599] Do you remember when those Samsung phones were making people's houses burn to the ground?

[600] Wow.

[601] Sponsored by Samsung.

[602] Well, I say good things.

[603] I say bad things.

[604] I'm not sponsored by anybody.

[605] But you remember they had the note?

[606] I think it was the Note 7.

[607] Yeah, it was fun.

[608] blowing up a bit.

[609] That was falling up.

[610] That kind of, that one got away from.

[611] I remember there was one guy left it in his car, his truck, and he came out to his truck on fire and his driveway, and he was filming it with someone else's phone, I guess.

[612] Didn't they specifically say on airplanes, like, if you have a note?

[613] Oh, yeah.

[614] They would basically like tell you.

[615] You had to take the battery out.

[616] You had to take the battery out.

[617] You either couldn't travel with it or you had to take the battery out.

[618] Oh, yeah.

[619] If you were to freaking, you know, note 12, you were basically on the freaking no fly list, dude.

[620] Note 7, note 7.

[621] I don't think they're at Note 12.

[622] No, they would fricking, that was not your thing.

[623] You were not going.

[624] Yeah, well, you know, you got to break a few eggs if you want to make an omelet.

[625] Sometimes you burn a plane down.

[626] Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.

[627] How many actual, yeah, I mean, how many actual sort of like incidents happened?

[628] Let's find out.

[629] Jamie Google, how many houses burnt to the ground because of Samsung Galaxy Note 7?

[630] There was really the battery.

[631] You know, there was, well, there was also, they were.

[632] were doing super charge super fast charging like way early on they were trying to do it faster than they could actually do it well iPhones are pretty conservative in that regard like I think the ipons um USBC charger I think it works at I think it's 20 20 watts where some of them are like 20 25 oh I don't know some of them right like 80 there's some like Chinese ones that are like super fast some like how do you say it zao me do you say zami?

[633] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

[634] I don't know how to say it.

[635] Yeah, now, some of those current cameras are crazy, too.

[636] Yeah.

[637] They've got, like, 2 ,000 megapixel cameras and, like, crazy stuff.

[638] But it doesn't necessarily translate to better images.

[639] So, like, the iPhones, it's about, like, image quality.

[640] Yeah.

[641] Like, you don't necessarily need, yeah, you don't necessarily need the most pixels.

[642] Like, the amount of pixels that most of them have now is pretty fucking crazy, megapixels.

[643] Yeah, but that's the thing.

[644] Like, in the future, there'll be, like, 1 ,000 megapixels.

[645] You'll be able to zoom way in.

[646] basically in a fact be able to see very far.

[647] Like that's basically what you have with the moon thing.

[648] It's basically almost acting like a telescope.

[649] And so that's the thing in the future.

[650] If this keeps going at higher and higher resolution, you'll basically be able to see insanely far with these things.

[651] That it's basic, like, you know, 20 years from now.

[652] I don't even think it's going to be that long ago.

[653] Maybe not.

[654] Long from now.

[655] Because if you look at like what you're seeing now with that Samsung Galaxy S -21 Ultra, which is what I used to take that moon photo, that wasn't available two years.

[656] ago.

[657] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[658] It's a brand new like camera.

[659] Yeah.

[660] That ability is pretty fucking recent.

[661] Here's why Samson Galaxy...

[662] Okay, that was actually way worse than I thought.

[663] It said when the Galaxy Note 7 was recalled by Samsung in 2016, only about 100 of the 2 .5 million units shipped worldwide were reported to have exploded.

[664] Is this article?

[665] Like that says, is that skill...

[666] Go back, please?

[667] Hold on, I'm still reading.

[668] It says that's still scarier than zero.

[669] but if you're concerned about ruining your phone there are more common issues to worry about ruining my phone concerned about dying the fuck are you talking about go to that other one that you were just going to I was so concerned for that phone but it said 100 maybe this was in the early days what year was this where would this go back to that same article oh the same article yeah so why does it say 100 I don't know I was trying to find that out it says it caught fire as many as 112 times it says it right there right but it says after 30 35 instances is when they started the recall.

[670] And then I was trying to read through here where the 1912 was.

[671] Oh, so, okay, so after 35 instances of them catching fire, they started the recall, but ultimately it was like 112 people.

[672] Oh, geez.

[673] Wait, that's what it looks like.

[674] Oh, my God.

[675] Yeah, look at that.

[676] That's wild, dude.

[677] Oh, my God.

[678] I don't think I've ever seen a video of it.

[679] Holy shit.

[680] That's what it looks like.

[681] Yeah, go back to that.

[682] That's not real.

[683] Is that what?

[684] Not the same phone, I don't think.

[685] But that's what it looks like when it catches fire?

[686] Oh, phone, yeah, yeah.

[687] Holy fuck.

[688] I don't think I've ever actually seen a video of it.

[689] That's fucking crazy.

[690] And that's just sitting on someone's desk.

[691] Oh, my God.

[692] That would be fucking terrifying.

[693] That would be fucking terrifying.

[694] Sharif it's just going to fucking explode.

[695] What the fuck?

[696] What do you do?

[697] I would just get the fuck away from it.

[698] I'd run the fuck away.

[699] What do you're going to do?

[700] Interesting thing on this.

[701] Maybe trying to kick it away or like...

[702] What do you do?

[703] Samsung blamed the battery as of 2017.

[704] This is like an old article.

[705] Well, no, it was a battery.

[706] Yeah, but it's a fucking...

[707] battery in their phone I mean the come on guy it's not us it's a battery in your fucking phone I like I don't they've officially explained what went wrong and identified them as cause of the burning phones they got much more conservative after that they got much more conservative with their charging speeds and stuff yeah it's definitely crazy anyway the technology about just getting back to what we're talking about the technology is getting to the point where you're going to be able to do like a full length feature movie on your phone easily and it's gonna I mean look they already have portrait mode on iPhones or you, you know, you, it looks like a film.

[708] Like you would be in focus but what's behind you, it'd be kind of blurry.

[709] Yep.

[710] And I think they can do that with some phones with video.

[711] Yeah, they can do that on the iPhone with video.

[712] Yeah.

[713] It does like the depth of field with that's crazy.

[714] It makes it look like moving.

[715] Yeah, yeah.

[716] It's definitely insane.

[717] And there already have been like, there's been films in like Sundance that have been entirely shot on iPhones even a couple years ago.

[718] Isn't it wild that we want the background to be blurry?

[719] Like, that's a feature?

[720] Well, it kind of, like, it brings the focus.

[721] No, I understand.

[722] I understand.

[723] But it's like, if you see something shot on video, one of the things that makes it look cheap is that you can see everything.

[724] Yeah.

[725] Which is odd.

[726] It is odd that it's sort of like, I don't know.

[727] Yeah, I mean, I don't know why that sort of, like, makes it look more sort of like filmic, having less.

[728] I guess it's just more control over the information.

[729] Well, we're also accustomed to it.

[730] If you go to the movies, the film is always like, you would be in focus and what's behind you would be blurry.

[731] Yeah, yeah.

[732] And when the focus changes, it's because you're supposed to look at what's behind you, right?

[733] Yeah, I mean, I don't know that.

[734] I'm not an actor like you.

[735] I'm not an actor.

[736] I'm going to have acted.

[737] I've played basketball.

[738] I'm not a basketball player.

[739] What's the last time you were like in like a full, like movie or something like that?

[740] Like, has it been like a long time?

[741] Yeah.

[742] Here comes the boom.

[743] It's like more than 10 years.

[744] Would you ever do it again?

[745] No, I'm done.

[746] I'm done.

[747] I've passed on some good ones.

[748] You never just even like a small role in something?

[749] No, no, no. Kevin Smith offered me a nice role in them.

[750] I can't.

[751] I don't want to do it anymore.

[752] I don't like it.

[753] It's too time consuming.

[754] I don't have the time.

[755] It'd be like financially it's not viable.

[756] But then there's also like the actor factor.

[757] The actor factor is big.

[758] What do you mean?

[759] Hanging out with actors.

[760] Don't like them.

[761] It's exhausting.

[762] Don't like them not so much.

[763] Well, I like a lot of them.

[764] I like like like 20 % of them.

[765] Okay.

[766] But the other ones are fucking exhausting.

[767] They're just so full of shit and they're so scared of everything.

[768] They're just scared of what?

[769] Well, they're afraid.

[770] Their whole existence is about getting cast in things.

[771] So they have to constantly be like saying the right things and following the right like progressive ideology and espousing it whenever possible to let everybody know that you.

[772] you're on the right team because you're worried about being cast in things.

[773] Sure.

[774] So this is what's absolutely wrong with Los Angeles.

[775] The entire city, whether they admit it or not, the main focus of the city is Hollywood.

[776] The main focus is films and television.

[777] And if you don't think that's the case, they'll shut down giant chunks of Hollywood Boulevard to film a shitty movie.

[778] They do it all the time.

[779] And you're like, what the fuck is this?

[780] Like, why, how come they get to do this?

[781] And I'm in traffic?

[782] because this fucking terrible movies being made.

[783] That would be actually super annoying.

[784] It's super annoying.

[785] It doesn't happen all the time, but it's annoying enough that it happens.

[786] But that's one part of the problem.

[787] The problem is you take people that are mostly fucked up and insecure.

[788] That's why they want to be actors in the first place.

[789] They need this exorbitant amount of attention, right?

[790] And so then you put them in this system where you have to apply for things.

[791] You have to try to get cast in things.

[792] You don't just get cast in a movie.

[793] You don't like, unless you're Leonardo DiCaprio or someone huge.

[794] So you have to audition.

[795] So you go into a room and you want everybody to like you, first of all.

[796] And then after everybody likes you, then you have to perform for these people that like you.

[797] Oh, they brought in the whiskey.

[798] It's time to get fucked up.

[799] Okay, God damn.

[800] Listen, beepal.

[801] It's time to throw down.

[802] I had some really old whiskey when I was in Vegas this week.

[803] And I was like, this stuff is fucking incredible.

[804] How old is that one?

[805] They're both 18 years old.

[806] McCallon.

[807] This sounds like the right stuff.

[808] Oh, sweet baby, Jesus.

[809] What are you worried about?

[810] We're just going to have one glass.

[811] They, yeah, no, I think.

[812] You know what I'm saying, though?

[813] It's like, so the whole business is based on getting people to like you.

[814] How many auditions did you go on?

[815] Quite a few.

[816] How many would you say total in your lifetime?

[817] Just ballpark.

[818] Oh, I don't know.

[819] I don't know.

[820] Well, I got a couple hundred.

[821] Nah, not that many.

[822] I got really, really fortunate.

[823] in that when I first started it was my knife I got here this I got really really fortunate in that when I first started out and this is the craziest story it's true I swear to God even though it sounds nuts the first two things I ever auditioned for I got really yeah yeah the first two things I ever auditioned for I got it doesn't make any sense it's so ridiculous you got a part and then you do it another one then I got apart the other one pretty easy yeah wait were they big like were they commercials or what were they for news radio and Fear Factor okay Those were like, wait, those were the first two fucking things.

[824] Well, the first one that I got, I didn't even audition for.

[825] That was a show called Hardball.

[826] You didn't do anything before those?

[827] No. Are you serious?

[828] No. Dude, I didn't even want to act.

[829] That's the crazy thing.

[830] Like, that was the best part about it.

[831] You did nothing before news radio.

[832] I did a show called Hardball.

[833] And I didn't really audition for that because I had a development deal with Disney.

[834] So I had to - How did you get that?

[835] I just, they just cast me. Oh, just from like seeing stand -up?

[836] I had a development deal.

[837] Yeah, it's from stand -up.

[838] I had a development deal.

[839] And so I did that.

[840] How long had you been doing stand -up before that happened?

[841] Not that long.

[842] That's, I did not pay my dues.

[843] I did it like six years, which is not long.

[844] That's not that long.

[845] For stand -ups, that's not that long.

[846] I mean, you're not really a stand -up until you're 10 years in.

[847] You know, but what it's like is like operating on people's hearts when you're just, you know, out of a four -year college.

[848] Like, you don't do that.

[849] How old were you?

[850] How old were you?

[851] How old were you when you got that?

[852] news radio in my 20s like uh 26 27 maybe I know it's crazy I haven't seen this before you haven't seen what this this promo for hardball it's oh yeah what was hard what was hard what was hard what was a sitcom that I was in in my 20s that's me look at me that's crazy dude a little sweetie back in the day where was that shot out here in Hollywood so that was the first thing that ever did as far as acting goes cheers sir thank you sir My point is, I got very lucky.

[853] What do we got here?

[854] Delicious.

[855] Scotish.

[856] Oh, my God.

[857] This is McCallin.

[858] It's great.

[859] You don't like it?

[860] Oh, my Lord.

[861] Come on, bro.

[862] Settling.

[863] So the point is, like, that system is crazy.

[864] And I got very fortunate that I didn't really have to be a part of that system.

[865] I snuck in.

[866] I snuck in with this hardball show.

[867] And because of the hardball show, they, let me audition for um news radio i got news radio and then um then fear factor was right after that i think maybe i auditioned for like a thing or two in between that i didn't get that's crazy how long did you do fear factor for six years yeah and then when when those radio was like six years five six years so i was like i'm out i'm out totally i'm out of tea yeah it's like it's too much uh it's it's not necessarily the best thing to do for stand -ups because it's good in that people get to see you and that you develop an audience but it's not good in that you become part of that system where you have to say what you have to be very liberal and then I am very liberal sure sure sure but you have to be yeah yeah like there's a bunch of things that you have to set sure like you know you want trans women competing because they're regular women you want them competing against women in sports.

[868] You have to say that.

[869] Even if it doesn't make any sense.

[870] You know, even if you're like, but what about that?

[871] You pen swimmer who's like 38 seconds faster than all the other women.

[872] Shut up.

[873] Don't be a bigot.

[874] Like that kind of thinking is what happens in Hollywood.

[875] And it's not because they really think that way.

[876] It's because they're terrified that they step outside the lines and they'll be, you know, oh, he's another Scott Bayo or something.

[877] Even Chris Pratt gets in trouble because he's Christian.

[878] I saw that he was the worst Chris for a while.

[879] He is the nicest fucking guy I've ever met in my life.

[880] I mean, I've met people equally nice.

[881] What were people, I don't, honestly, I just saw something where it was just like worse Chris or something.

[882] I don't give a fuck what they, with their thing.

[883] They're all insane people that hate their jobs that are sitting in front of the cubicle when their bosses and look and they're tweeting bad things about Chris Pratt.

[884] It's definitely interesting how the like power of like people, though, that can kind of like blow up something that's sort of like, you know, just maybe not that big of a deal.

[885] and it becomes a big deal because...

[886] That's a nice way to put it.

[887] What it is is a bully pile on.

[888] That's what it is.

[889] You see someone being vulnerable and you could snipe at them and you don't have any repercussions and they're not in front of you so you attack the guy.

[890] He's not done nothing.

[891] I honestly have no idea what the thing is like that people are even like I don't know anything about it.

[892] Chris Pat is like one of the nicest people I've ever met my life.

[893] He's genuinely friendly.

[894] I've been in hunting camp with him.

[895] He's nice to everybody, to the ladies that work in the kitchen.

[896] What were you guys hunting?

[897] Elk.

[898] where in Utah that's crazy yeah so you just like went to like a like camp for like a couple like we're there for a week yeah for a week yeah that's interesting yeah did you get a elk yes I did yeah that's interesting and he did too um but my my point is like I've seen him interact with people like sure sits at the these cafeteria style tables with everybody with you know people from all walks of life he's like super normal yeah yeah and I've seen I've been around him multiple times like that he's a super kind super normal guy it'll be interesting It's fun, too.

[899] He's a fun guy to be around.

[900] I'm excited to see that Mario movie.

[901] Did you see that?

[902] No. The Mario, he's like the, I'm pretty sure he's the voice of Mario.

[903] Oh, the voice.

[904] I thought you were saying, like, he's going to be a live action Mario.

[905] No, no, I'm pretty sure.

[906] I'm pretty sure it's all animated, but he's always.

[907] He's, you know, what else has he done other than the Guardians of the Galaxy?

[908] He's got something else.

[909] Oh, he's in, that's a drastic park thing.

[910] Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, he's in the new Jack Carr series that they're doing for, Amazon.

[911] Do you know what that is?

[912] Jack Carr is, he's got these amazing books about this character James Reese, this Navy SEAL James Reese are really great like thriller.

[913] Like a Tom Clancy type.

[914] Yeah, very similar.

[915] Like a Jack Reacher type thing.

[916] Okay.

[917] But this guy, James Reese is his primary character.

[918] Oh, okay.

[919] And he's for like Amazon or like something like that.

[920] Anyway, point is he's one of the rare guys that's like.

[921] He's kind of outside of the lines in terms of his ideology.

[922] He's a Christian and pretty open about it.

[923] And because of that, they attack him.

[924] It's something so simple.

[925] Like, he just believes in Jesus and he likes, you know, he likes to be a good person.

[926] Sure, sure, sure.

[927] And they're like, fuck him.

[928] It's definitely, it's an interesting time.

[929] And I think it's, I don't know, I think it's just going to keep getting weirder and weirder as these sort of, like, technologies and, like, people, you're like, mixing.

[930] like massive you know populations with this technologies in ways where we don't even understand like what the fuck we're doing you're also mixing people that are shut -ins that don't have good social interactions and the virus now they've been inside for fucking a year they don't have to be like vetted out in terms of like if you're working with people right on a deal and there's one guy's annoying as fuck like you just avoid them like this guy's annoying and then he can't get hired because he's annoying yeah but if that guy's online that guy interacts with everybody all day long and there's so many accounts where you go and look at their Twitter page and you realize like this is a mentally ill person or it's just a fucking bot it's just a troll or it's some bot or it's some like bullshit like that or yeah it's just somebody who's like there's more mentally ill people but there are a lot of bots for sure and I think there's a lot of people who just feel shitty and they're like having a bad day and they just fucking go online and like go fuck you and like they just put a shitty comment because they're having a shitty day and so it's sort of like but that's where I don't like I kind of look at that shit and it's sort of like When you do something, that says way more about you and what's going on in your life.

[931] Yeah, for sure.

[932] That has nothing to do with, like, me. Like, if you could just go on and are, like, being a dick and, like, just trying to spread shittiness, like, I don't know.

[933] And I think if people looked at it that way, they wouldn't be so affected by it, that it's sort of, like, feel sorry for those people because it's like, that person's not in a good place.

[934] If you're literally, like, getting up and, like, you're not having a great day.

[935] That's not, like, you're not having an awesome day.

[936] It goes without saying.

[937] Yeah, it's, these are not.

[938] not healthy people if you go and look at there's if you're a person that's just spreading venom emotional venom and poison all day long that's all you're doing like there's there's things in life that should annoy you there's things in life that should piss you off but not all things like if that's what you're really your concentration is on entirely on negative things it says more about you if this is what your your jam is going online and shitting on things and being mean to people i got to think most likely something's fucked up with you Yeah, no, you're not living a great life.

[939] And, like, those people are not, like, they're hurting themselves.

[940] And so that's why they're, like, spreading that stuff.

[941] And I think sometimes people are quick to sort of, like, not recognize that and sort of, like, take offense to it.

[942] And it's sort of like, it's hard to do.

[943] It is hard.

[944] It is, I will say, it's very hard when you see it because it's directed at you.

[945] Yeah.

[946] It makes it seem like it's about you when it's like, okay, that's really not about you.

[947] Like, that's about that person is in a shitty place mentally.

[948] And they're, like, they're spreading that.

[949] It's just hard for someone to recognize.

[950] recognize when you're the receiving end of it.

[951] 100%.

[952] That's easier said than done.

[953] When you see something, especially if it cuts in and it's like, oh, that's true.

[954] And they say something about you, you're like, God damn it, that is something that, like, you know, I could work on or I could change.

[955] Well, that's the good aspect of it.

[956] You just can't, it's like a little bit of snake venom.

[957] Yes.

[958] Like a little bit of snake venom is probably good for you.

[959] He knows it.

[960] Yes.

[961] That's what I always say, that it's sort of like getting a little bit of that kind of like negative sort of like I don't know I'm gonna have to stop you from saying like like saying a few too many likes for my taste have you noticed Jamie it's a bit of an issue I'm I'm not as accomplished speaking I'm definitely you don't have to be your art's awesome it's this I'm fucking all oh you have one half a baby sip of this macallor 18 year old scotch Are you drinking this entire thing I would literally be like freaking on the ground I'm gonna take one actual drink let me hear you're fine i am uh oh my god i'm i enjoy alcohol i think it's good for you it's not good for your body but i think it's good for you overall i think there's a net positive effect how often do you i v vitamin drips and i do a lot to like recover you know from the like oh from like drinking yeah i mean i don't drink a lot sure sure sure i drink a little often what's in the bag bro what's in the No, the bag, what's in the bag?

[962] This, this is, so this is something I wanted to bring you.

[963] Is it a towel?

[964] No, that is a...

[965] It says medium adult anus.

[966] A 3 .5 inch fully dilated regular butthole.

[967] That's what it really says.

[968] I'm not making this up.

[969] That is a pair of underwear to sort of...

[970] I'm scared to open us.

[971] Put on before the box.

[972] The contents of this box are entirely visually pleased.

[973] and have been known to cause a loss of normal bowel function, adult onset pants shitting.

[974] Please make sure this disposable underwear is properly fastened prior to opening the box for the first time.

[975] Bro, what the fuck is wrong with you?

[976] I'm going to shit myself.

[977] And I don't understand how this says medium adult anus.

[978] Is this just underwear?

[979] It's underwear.

[980] But why is this a medium adult an antinus?

[981] You know, your anus is just like a small.

[982] That's not...

[983] I don't know.

[984] I was just assuming you were a medium.

[985] Are you not medium or what's...

[986] I don't know.

[987] I have put big ass.

[988] I don't think I'll fit in these.

[989] Bro, you want to try to kill my balls?

[990] These are so small.

[991] It's cute, though.

[992] So those are the underwear that you are supposed to put on before opening the box.

[993] I'll let you open the box.

[994] I'm nervous now.

[995] I got to say.

[996] That's a first.

[997] It says Beeple, Spring Summer Collection, 2021.

[998] Oh, shit.

[999] Okay, I should open this like this.

[1000] Can you get it with that camera maybe?

[1001] Yeah, I'm doing over top.

[1002] Okay.

[1003] So this is wild.

[1004] Is this an NFT?

[1005] So this is the like, this is from the spring collection that I released this year.

[1006] And so, yeah, this is the sort of like physical and an NFT sort of like, goes with it.

[1007] Is that Elon Musk as a Hulk?

[1008] Dig it, Chad, yeah.

[1009] Oh, that's hilarious.

[1010] With a little, that dogey coin.

[1011] Yeah, the doge coin dog.

[1012] Wow.

[1013] Yeah, so this is sort of like something that we built in our sort of like studio this last year and you sort of like that comes out.

[1014] Should I turn it that way?

[1015] Would that be better?

[1016] Yeah.

[1017] You can still kind of see it pretty much as it is.

[1018] So then it like comes out and you can like kind of like put that on the like put the um you hear all the likes coming out of your mouth put the what the fuck's it called now with uh uh put the uh screen on the like stand there and the like stand lights up and so this is just the like box it's the like box just just this is just the box Jesus Christ that's an amazing visual yeah no it definitely Elon's gonna see this and hit the gym he's gonna be like i gave one to like kimball and and him yeah yeah yeah i met him in in basal last week oh no shit no it's definitely it's been uh it's been a crazy year this is super cool and what is this thing on this side of it who's that so that's the base that's the like um the base that you put the screen on oh so this comes out this out yeah yeah yeah you pull both of them out oh and so you pull that up too on that oh yeah And so there's chords behind that.

[1019] Dude, this is so dope.

[1020] And then it, like, lights it.

[1021] So if you pull out that cord bag, too.

[1022] So then this, too, there's like a...

[1023] Pull that out.

[1024] Pull this.

[1025] That's a hair sample.

[1026] That's a hair sample.

[1027] Yeah.

[1028] From me. You have a hair sample?

[1029] There's a hair sample in there.

[1030] It's a little biofair.

[1031] So it goes on the, like, the base there.

[1032] On the base.

[1033] Where?

[1034] On the other side.

[1035] That's where it plugs in.

[1036] It's the base.

[1037] Here, do you want me?

[1038] to grab it real quick is it plug in back here so kind of this goes like this okay and then this goes on that and then it like plugs in on the like back here okay take these cords and like here and when it plugs in it just lights up is that the idea okay for folks listening what we have here is a no it's interesting it's uh it looks like a glass or um some sort of plexiglass Yeah, some sort of a plastic, like a mini iPad that has this beautiful image of a jacked Elon Musk in his underwear.

[1039] I think it's probably more effort than it's worth to put this in while we're doing the show.

[1040] Good?

[1041] All right, perfect.

[1042] Tada.

[1043] And what is this little cord here?

[1044] This one is extra one.

[1045] That just plugs into the back of the screen there.

[1046] Oh, okay.

[1047] And what does that do?

[1048] It just powers the screen.

[1049] The screen has like a battery, but then over time, it'll over a couple hours.

[1050] So there?

[1051] There you go.

[1052] There we go.

[1053] Oh, and now it's black and white somehow.

[1054] It's like going through kind of like a loop showing the like sort of like image and kind of like how the image was made and sort of kind of a little bit of the like kind of behind the scenes.

[1055] Pretty dope.

[1056] And what is this Q code?

[1057] So that goes to like my site and you can kind of see the other people who own this.

[1058] So this is on the back.

[1059] you can see see how it's signed it says 60 out of 100 so there's only a hundred of these that exist and so you've got the like number 61 and like who's got number 69 I'm not sure you guys number 69 but somebody bought number 69 because they you know wanted to have that one yeah but that's very dope yeah so it's sort of like one of like a few different like pieces that were released in like spring you know and this was like one of the everyday is that sort of like day okay cool well thank you very much that's awesome appreciate that very dope i'll put that right there i don't know if we can keep it on the desk because it's quite it needs a lot of attention it does it's definitely it's something that definitely um i'll have a spot for it sort of like draws you in but it can be it can be a lot it can be a lot i think it should be right in front of you jamie like right there like it's that right there that's not too bad i have plugs for it that would work right yeah no we'll keep it here for now but then after the show it's a big thing it's pretty dope thank you very much very cool yeah I appreciate so how long do you think you're gonna keep doing this is this um probably the rest of my life yeah every day one a day we got to see it through at this point wow I mean it's see it through to the end on you mean on your deathbed hold on before before you put me in the suicide pod have you seen those suicide pods they have now that you ever seen that suicide pod yeah there's a I think some European country has developed an actual suicide pod and you climb into this thing when you want to end your life and it's designed to peacefully send you into the next realm.

[1060] Jesus.

[1061] And what does it do?

[1062] I'm not sure.

[1063] I just saw the headline.

[1064] I didn't read into it.

[1065] That's it right there.

[1066] It looks dope though, doesn't it?

[1067] Maker of suicide pod plans to launch in Switzerland.

[1068] That's fucking disturbing.

[1069] It is, but I mean, what do you want to do?

[1070] Live forever?

[1071] No, no. I mean, it definitely...

[1072] If you're 95 years old and you're dying of cancer, isn't that a way to go?

[1073] It's definitely a way to go, I will say that.

[1074] If there is the time when you need to get into the pod, you probably know when it's time.

[1075] Look at that.

[1076] No, no, I'll scroll down, please.

[1077] Look at that.

[1078] Assisted suicide, which somebody has given the means to end their own life, is legal in Switzerland.

[1079] About 1 ,300 people died there that way in 2020.

[1080] Listen, I don't think there's anything wrong with suicide at the end of life.

[1081] if like the idea that people are supposed to suffer but your dog isn't you know my dog johnny cash i miss him terribly and i love him to death he was um 13 which is 14 was very old for a mastiff and he couldn't walk and is the saddest shit ever i had i had to how long was this he's been dead for two or three years i think almost three years um I had to carry him outside.

[1082] So in the morning, he would be in his little...

[1083] There was like a mud room where his food was, and he would generally, he would sleep there because his dog bed was there.

[1084] And in the morning, I'd have to carry him.

[1085] And he was a big -ass fucking dog.

[1086] I was the only one to carry him.

[1087] It was like 140 pounds.

[1088] And I'd have to walk with him outside and then set him down on the grass.

[1089] 140 pounds?

[1090] Jesus, fucking.

[1091] He would, and he would, he was a mastiff.

[1092] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[1093] And so, and then he would struggle to go to the bathroom because his hips.

[1094] How long did you guys have him?

[1095] 14 years.

[1096] Jesus.

[1097] Yeah, that's old for a mastiff.

[1098] That is crazy.

[1099] Little dogs can live a long time.

[1100] How long did you have to do like carrying him like that?

[1101] I did it for a while.

[1102] Like years?

[1103] No, no, no. It was like, it was several months and it was just, it was one of those things where I was like, I didn't want to do it, but I knew he had.

[1104] I didn't want to just go out there and watch him suffering, like, moaning and dying slowly.

[1105] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1106] But he was...

[1107] For the kids, like...

[1108] He couldn't see anymore.

[1109] He had cataracts.

[1110] So his eyes had gotten gray and glossed.

[1111] It was rough.

[1112] That's crazy.

[1113] The only thing that helped the kids is that we had Marshall at the same time, who was our dog that we have now.

[1114] He was, you know, he was young.

[1115] So, like, they could still play with Marshall.

[1116] What kind of dog is that?

[1117] He's a golden retriever.

[1118] How old is that dog now?

[1119] He's five.

[1120] He just turned five.

[1121] He had a birthday the other day.

[1122] So the kids like the dogs?

[1123] And do they like care for the dogs?

[1124] Like, because that's the thing.

[1125] Like, I don't want to fucking pick up poop.

[1126] Like, I'm not fucking picking up poop.

[1127] Do you pick up the dogs poop?

[1128] I have for sure.

[1129] You know, I hire people to do it now.

[1130] That's my kids are fucking old enough.

[1131] It's like, I don't want to fucking pick up poop.

[1132] I just don't want to pick up poop of another thing.

[1133] Well, you know, just worse things in this world, bro.

[1134] That's true.

[1135] That was shit like a couple times a day.

[1136] That's true.

[1137] It's a minute out of your day.

[1138] And you're like, I can, I have the time.

[1139] Busy making digital art. I'm making non -fungible tokens.

[1140] It's not busy.

[1141] It's just, I don't know, it smells.

[1142] Do you have a dog?

[1143] I'm like, everybody has a dog.

[1144] Like, I'm definitely recognized.

[1145] I'm the only person on earth who doesn't have a dog.

[1146] But if that's the thing that's holding you back, you made $100 million this year, bro.

[1147] Hire someone to clean your poop.

[1148] People need jobs.

[1149] contribute to the economy that's true someone comes over if you have a decent size yard it's no big deal it's true that's fair yeah it's not that bad yeah I don't know we didn't grow up with a dog did you grow up with a dog oh yeah yeah see like my wife and I neither of us grew up with a dog like it's definitely like it's a lot of work it's a lot of work to the outside to somebody who did not grow up with the dog it's like kids are my kids are five and eight now so it's sort of like yeah but if you had a puppy oh my god oh god don't you're killing me here dude you kill me here do you have a yard good size yard?

[1150] No, it's very small.

[1151] Where do you live?

[1152] Very, in Charleston.

[1153] Very, very small.

[1154] South Carolina?

[1155] South Carolina.

[1156] Yeah.

[1157] Oh, well, if you have a small yard, you have kind of a little, you're off the hook, because, you know, you really need a yard.

[1158] Like, I have a buddy who has a couple dogs, and he has a very small yard, and so he's got to walk his dogs to go shit, and then he has to pick it up in a bag.

[1159] And I'm like, that's a, that's a bummer.

[1160] Then he's got to carry it back.

[1161] He can't just let his dogs out, and then they run around the yard and have fun.

[1162] He can't throw the ball in his yard, and dogs need some space, you know, they need space to...

[1163] And if you don't have space, you've got to take them places.

[1164] Well, then you kind of feel bad, too, that it's sort of like, what am I doing?

[1165] I got this, like, big dog, and I've got, like, this, like, tiny area that I'm sort of, like, keeping it in, like, that's not, like, thing.

[1166] But I could see getting, like, a small dog at some point.

[1167] Yeah.

[1168] Maybe I need to...

[1169] They're great.

[1170] Take the dive here.

[1171] Yeah, but if you don't want to, you don't have to.

[1172] It's not necessarily...

[1173] I don't know.

[1174] It's just...

[1175] I feel like it's another thing that...

[1176] I don't know.

[1177] The kids for me are enough, I feel like.

[1178] Oh, it's a lot of work.

[1179] No, it's definitely a lot of work.

[1180] Dogs are a lot of work.

[1181] And they chew things up, and sometimes one of my dogs chewed through an electrical cord once and almost died.

[1182] Jesus.

[1183] Yeah.

[1184] Yeah, they'll chew through cores and get electrocuted.

[1185] What was the cord, too?

[1186] It just doesn't matter.

[1187] They just bite things.

[1188] They're dogs.

[1189] They don't know what the fuck electricity is.

[1190] I barely do.

[1191] That's fair.

[1192] That's fair.

[1193] I don't know, man. I love dogs.

[1194] dogs.

[1195] If I live without a dog, I would be, I would feel weird.

[1196] Do you take them on the like hunting trips and stuff like that?

[1197] No, no, no. My dog now, he is a, like I said, he's a golden retriever and they are bird hunting dogs.

[1198] Like, they're really good for that.

[1199] They love to retrieve things.

[1200] They love to bring things back.

[1201] Sure.

[1202] And they were sort of bred to retrieve and retrieve when they hunt.

[1203] Yeah.

[1204] You know, you shoot, shoot a bird and the bird falls out of the sky and the dog brings back to you.

[1205] Yeah.

[1206] All my friends back in Wisconsin like hunt, like pretty much I'm the only person and it's like, okay, fucking weirdo, digital, freaking art goon.

[1207] Like, everybody else hunts, like, 100%.

[1208] Well, there's nothing wrong with being a digital art game.

[1209] You're contributing to society.

[1210] It's amazing work, but it's not a bad thing also to do different stuff, to do other things as well.

[1211] I'm not very well -rounded.

[1212] Like, I'm not, I don't have many other interests outside this stuff.

[1213] Does it bother you that you're not well -rounded?

[1214] No. Then it's fine.

[1215] Yeah, it's definitely one of these things.

[1216] where I like sometimes I feel sort of like I wish I had more things that I was interested in like you've got like all the like sort of working out and kind of like it seems like you have a lot of interests I wish I had less things I'm interested in I really do I would like to have I would like to have multiple versions of me that can run several different lives simultaneously because I've often thought like if I decided if I went out of if I had a moment where I could say all right.

[1217] this is what I'm going to do and only this how much further could I get in that and there's something about one solitary pursuit where there's some sort of benefit in focusing all your attention like look how far you've gotten with your digital art I do multiple things simultaneously the only thing that helps me is that these things definitely feed off of each other like the podcast and stand -up work together 100 % They have synchronicity They work together And then The UFC I actually It benefits for me It benefits for me Doing the podcast And benefits for me Doing stand -up Because when I talk In front of millions of people Live Like during the broadcast I'm not nervous I'm so accustomed to talking You seem totally fine It's no different than like talking right now Which is no different than me talking Like we were talking before Right Before the show When I first met you It's the same as now It's because I do it so often often so they work together but I'd also I'm I have a deep fascination with so many different things sure I have like multiple things that I'm really interested in that I'd like to pursue all day long you're very curious about a lot of different things but I think yeah like you said all these things sort of like feed into each other together that it's sort of like the same demographic of a lot of these things that sort of like are similar demographics that sort of like are all kind of like interested in these you know various different things but if you were going to focus on one thing what would that thing be or is it just too hard to like sort of like pick one other than the things that I already do yeah is there one of those things that you're most sort of like excited about or they're all kind of like equally sort of like interesting to you like you have so many things going I wonder how you sort of like decide to sort of like spend your time well there's obligations like I have obligations with stand up to perform on a regular basis because if you don't you get out of shape and then write on a regular basis because if you don't your act gets stale so those obligations to do that if I had a do one thing.

[1218] If I had abandon everything and just do one, it would be stand -up.

[1219] Stand -up.

[1220] I would say, I'm just going to abandon everything else and just do stand -up.

[1221] That's the most sort of, like, kind of, like, pure, like, sort of, like, thing that you're most.

[1222] It's a pure exchange, right?

[1223] Because, like, if you put the most amount of effort into the work and you go on the road a lot and you tighten up your act, and you get it to where it's a great show.

[1224] The people are enjoying it.

[1225] So they pay and they enjoy it.

[1226] They enjoy it.

[1227] leave it is great feeling it's a real good exchange you know it is for me like if I go to see a stand -up like say if I go to see like you know Mark Norman or something like you let me give you for an example Ari Shafir or Tim Dillon someone was really funny if I go to see them live if I paid money to see them live and laugh my ass off for an hour and a half I walk out of there I feel really good about the exchange sure sure I feel really good about the fact that I'm supporting them i go to see them they put a obviously put a lot of effort into their act and it comes off in this great act and it's it's it's it's organic like it's it's it's it's works sure sure sure it just feels like a sort of like comment sort of yeah yeah and i feel that way about podcast too i mean it's it's like you're doing something you're putting out this uh audio and video conversation you're doing your best to make it interesting and to make people sync up to it so they can follow the way you're thinking and you have an enjoyable conversation point of view and you develop this relationship with these people that are listening like this it's very possible very positive rather what are the podcast that you really like i like uh radio lab that's a interesting it's very good podcast it's very interesting what's it about all kinds of things All kinds of things.

[1228] It's very heavily produced, like sound effects and edits, and there's a lot going on with it.

[1229] I listen to a bunch of my friends' podcasts, like Tim Dillon, Bridget Fetasy, has a couple of great podcasts.

[1230] Ari Shafir's got a great podcast.

[1231] There's a lot of podcasts I subscribe to.

[1232] And then I just, like, look at my phone and go, well, I'm going to the...

[1233] Sure, sure, sure.

[1234] Do you listen to any of those, like, murder, true...

[1235] murder things i don't like that shit i'm not interested i'm not a girl girls are really interested in true crime shows i don't know why right it's kind of a universal truth it to me it's very fucking creepy it's like this is a person who actually died like it's like yeah no it's kind of like you're getting entertainment from like hearing how this person died but it is people like him people like him whatever it's very popular it's definitely people like women but to me it's just very like i don't know that's like kind of creepy as fuck well i think for women they want to know because most murders are created by men and i think women want to know what the fuck men are capable of and i think for them it's like what be part of it and it's also part of like women traditionally and this is a gross generalization ladies is not a stereotype i'm just this is just saying oh boy here we go here we go women traditionally have been in hunter -gather communities they have been responsible for gossip and there's is a place for gossip.

[1236] It's actually important.

[1237] And gossip is to make sure that people are held to a certain moral standard that the community accepts.

[1238] That's true.

[1239] And to find out who's stepping outside of those lines and who's doing things wrong and what girls you can't trust because they're sleeping around with all different guys men and what men you can't trust because they're lying about this and lying about that.

[1240] So that's a little morality police.

[1241] Yes.

[1242] But that's their job.

[1243] That's why they're so chatty.

[1244] Right?

[1245] That's the job of women in these small hunter -gatherer societies is to sort of keep everybody in line and find out what's going on.

[1246] And that's, and I think because of that sort of affinity for gossip, they're attracted to these murder mystery shows.

[1247] Like, and then what did he do?

[1248] Well, then he hid the body in a steel drum.

[1249] And you're like, oh.

[1250] So women love those shows I know so many women I know a lady who does one of those She actually does one of those murder One of my wife's friends She does a voice or whatever No she has a fucking podcast Oh okay Murder mystery podcast It's all about murders And I'm like why Like why are you into murders But those true crime podcasts Are very popular with women Like I don't know how you can listen to that For like an hour And then you're like I'm just gonna like go pick my kids up Or like go like I don't need to have a problem with it at all they love it i know it's like no it's but it's just sort of like it's kind of fucked up like how like integrating that into like a normal day and you're like literally i'm just going to spend an hour hearing the gruesome details of like an actual murder like it's like but like literally shit tons of people that it's like what they do it's a common thing very very popular yeah what is uh let's let's google this what are what are the when it comes to demographics for um true crime podcast let's find a true crime podcast let's find a true crime podcast and find out what percentage of the people that listen are female.

[1251] That would be interesting to know.

[1252] That would be interesting to know.

[1253] Yeah, because this podcast is predominantly male.

[1254] Yeah, no. I got that.

[1255] But it's not on purpose.

[1256] I'm not trying to...

[1257] Honestly, almost all of mine are the same, too.

[1258] Like, it's like 80...

[1259] I can see on Instagram, it's like 80 % like male as well.

[1260] When you have a bunch of giant dicks of jizz coming out of them attached to missile silos.

[1261] Weirdly attracts dudes.

[1262] Weirdly attracts dudes.

[1263] Weirdly attracts dudes.

[1264] Predominantly female.

[1265] Look at this.

[1266] Previous studies have shown the True Client podcast audience is predominantly female, 73%.

[1267] That is bananas.

[1268] And that listeners tune into podcasts to seek entertainment for convenience and to avoid boredom while women are attracted to the true crime genre because they are drawn to female protagonists.

[1269] Oh, interesting.

[1270] I don't know if that's true.

[1271] Because they listen to these true crime, it's not just domestic.

[1272] abuse stuff they listen to murders like men murdering men yeah what is that what do you would just pull up a paper this is the paper that that was fundamentally different stories that matter the true crime podcast and the domestic violence survivors in their audience okay well this is one okay well that was that makes sense if it was it's women that are reading about like men who've murdered women and try to get away with it because that's like every woman's worst fear is that she hooks up with a man and she winds up having a relationship with him and then he murders her yeah or doesn't even hook up with her you know she meets a man somewhere and he murders her women worry about men murdering them it's not that's not real that's real that's real it's a difference between the what men worry about you know men worry about women pretending that they like them and stealing all their money it's definitely a different level of concern it is definitely a different level of concern that that women necessarily have to have.

[1273] Oh, yeah.

[1274] Like, that's not, like, for no reason.

[1275] To be quite honest.

[1276] I think that's why they are attracted to true crime podcasts.

[1277] I think they want to know if they get a database, you know, they get a baseline, they get to read a bunch of different stories about all these things.

[1278] Then they'll kind of recognize patterns.

[1279] But do you think that will make people, like, suggesting themselves to this, like, information?

[1280] Because those are such outlier sort of, like, cases.

[1281] Do you think that's going to like fuck with people's heads over time?

[1282] They're kind of like immersion in this world of murder when murders are insanely rare.

[1283] You know what I mean?

[1284] There's, you know, it's really not a super huge chance that you're going to get murdered, just statistically.

[1285] You know what I mean?

[1286] You sound like a guy was ready to get murdered.

[1287] Right?

[1288] Not even thinking ahead.

[1289] That's okay.

[1290] God damn it.

[1291] They lured me to fucking Austin.

[1292] What is this?

[1293] You fucking goddamn sons of bitches.

[1294] Is this murder juice?

[1295] It's 18 -year -old scotch.

[1296] Full -on fucking murder juice.

[1297] Highland single malt scotch.

[1298] What do you got here?

[1299] That's another single malt scotch.

[1300] Is this what you...

[1301] Is this normally what you drink, though?

[1302] It seemed like this was not normally what you drink.

[1303] No, I had some of it in Vegas this weekend.

[1304] I went to a delicious restaurant.

[1305] I can't recommend it enough.

[1306] It's called Bizarre Meats.

[1307] Is that the Sahara?

[1308] Super good.

[1309] Oh, my God, so good.

[1310] They use these Argentine grills.

[1311] It's the shit.

[1312] The head chef is Jose, how do he say his last name, Jose Andrez, A -N -D -R -E -S?

[1313] Is that how he say his name?

[1314] He's a very famous chef and he's got this restaurant in the Sahara where they cook over live oak fires and they have those Argentine grills.

[1315] So it's on a crank.

[1316] So they raise and lower the grill and then they have the fire roaring underneath it.

[1317] So this is how they cook in Argentina, how they cook meat.

[1318] Oh, it's so good, man. What kind of meat was it?

[1319] Steaks.

[1320] So this is how they, is that the restaurant?

[1321] See if you can show if they have any images of the way they cook, because that's just as exciting.

[1322] So when you walk into the place, they have this, you kind of would have to see the images of like the way it's worked.

[1323] Actually, go to Grill Works.

[1324] This is a better, yes, see, keep clicking to the right.

[1325] Maybe they'll show you the steak set up.

[1326] You cook pretty often, don't you?

[1327] I got him a fiend.

[1328] I cook constantly.

[1329] Just go to grill works.

[1330] Is it usually just grilling stuff, or is there other stuff that you cook, too?

[1331] Yeah, I cook other stuff.

[1332] Yeah, but I like grilling.

[1333] Grilling's my favorite and smoking.

[1334] I like smoking.

[1335] I've, you know, smokes and briscus.

[1336] And is this mostly stuff that you've, like, hunted or just all different, like, stuff from where up?

[1337] Yeah, mostly stuff that I've hunted.

[1338] But I do cook domestic beef, too.

[1339] I try to keep it grass -fed, you know, grass -fed and grass -finished.

[1340] but I see if you can go to grillworks .com and you can see okay so this is the company that supplies them that's it that's a good example so see that's an Argentine grill yeah so see those cranks see that the wheel you spin the wheel and it goes up and down depending upon which way you choose to make it go and you raise and lower the grill depending upon you know the temperature of the fire underneath it but the idea is that cook over live wood and when you do that when you're cooking over live wood you get this really amazing smoky flavor that come you go to my Instagram you see that images of me cooking over it I have one of those I have one from another company called Sinterra but it's um it's a style of cooking where you're you're cooking over hardwood and so you get all this like smoky flavor in the meat and so I when I was there I got I was like what do you got like for old scotch I'm try some old scotch sure and they had this 27 year old single malt scotch i wish i remember the name of the company but was fucking incredible it's so smooth that's crazy what were you in vegas for just to like the ufc fights oh okay the ufc was how often are those fights per year like how many fights per year are there approximately almost every weekend there's fights yeah they're all like 50 or something like that per year yeah pretty close and you are at all of them no no no no no no no oh i do 10 a year now i'm down to 10 a year yeah maybe even less because of the pandemic so this this um so that's it So I'm cooking a, that's a regular steak.

[1341] And so see how it works there?

[1342] There's a wheel, and you crank the wheel to go up and down.

[1343] But that smoke is like going into the flavor of the, you know, it's filling the meat with flavor.

[1344] It has a very distinct flavor when you cook over smoke like that, over fire, hardwood fires.

[1345] Sure, sure.

[1346] It's incredible.

[1347] I fucking love it.

[1348] It's my absolute favorite way to cook.

[1349] The easiest way to cook and the most convenient and probably the best is like a Traeger grill.

[1350] to have like a pellet grill because you can control the temperature much better.

[1351] It's like this is like if you're a dork and you want to spend a ton of time.

[1352] What is that, Jamie?

[1353] Their Instagram page has some sweet.

[1354] Oh, yeah, their photography is incredible.

[1355] What kind of like pellet things do you usually use for it?

[1356] Oh, different hardwood pellets like Apple.

[1357] It's like this company grill works, that's like the Rolls -Royce of these kind of grills.

[1358] They're as good as they get.

[1359] Like look at that rig.

[1360] That's pretty sweet.

[1361] so people that's a like complicated one that someone's got installed in their backyard and really high -end stuff but i'm gonna be honest i know nothing about grilling that's super interesting i never cook at all i'm honestly my wife grills more than i do like she literally will like does your wife peg you at all you know i knew that was going to be the absolute next question right as soon as i said as soon as i said my wife grows i'm like okay next question any guy who goes online does your digital images of wife that's fair it's fair I open myself off to that and to be full honest you left it open fella that was definitely the next question there it is there it is that's a no that's a no I don't that's where I say I'm not like well -rounded like I just like I don't I'm like a baby besides anything other than this fucking weird oh shit but you do that so well and you do it every day look the we the world needs all kinds of people.

[1362] That's true.

[1363] You, and the thing is, like, when I talk about different things, I don't think that anybody should do what other people are doing.

[1364] I think you should do what you want to do.

[1365] Yeah.

[1366] But just do something.

[1367] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1368] The real problem in life is people that don't do anything.

[1369] Yeah, 100%.

[1370] You don't want to just be a consumer.

[1371] You want to be a participant.

[1372] And so many people, they allow themselves to be relegated to the role of a consumer, to only be a consumer.

[1373] Well, I think these things that's where the algorithms fucking feed you and they fucking keep you just kind of like...

[1374] Yeah, but you don't have to do that.

[1375] No, you don't, but it's like it sucks people in and that's where I think it like I think it makes it easier to not do anything.

[1376] It certainly does.

[1377] I think it makes it distracts you from actually fucking doing something because you get that tiny little dopamine hit that just keep scrolling keep doing nothing, keep looking at this, keep consuming.

[1378] Well, it's setting us up for the Matrix, right?

[1379] And this is what Zuckerberg's trying to do with meta.

[1380] He's trying to jump ahead of it.

[1381] He's trying to get in on it before anybody else gets in on it.

[1382] Yeah, that's the thing.

[1383] You can be an avatar and you can have fun and I will put a device attached to your penis and it will give you pleasure.

[1384] I don't remember that.

[1385] That's what's going to happen.

[1386] I do not remember him saying you put a device attached to my penis.

[1387] Do you hate me and do you wish I sucked your dick?

[1388] Well, I will in the meta.

[1389] And then it's like Mark Zuckerberg's animated head blowing you and you have this device on you.

[1390] Is this in my meta or you're a meta?

[1391] Anybody's meta.

[1392] You can choose to.

[1393] You get you shut up, Mark, and suck my dick.

[1394] Gladly.

[1395] And he just gets on his knees.

[1396] He takes a small sip of water like this, like he did when he testified in front of Congress.

[1397] And he gets on his knees, and he doesn't care.

[1398] It's not really him.

[1399] He's got this dialed in.

[1400] Yeah, a giant head and a small gelatinous body with like mushy limbs.

[1401] And he just expands when you jizz and do them.

[1402] I'm going to make a picture of that.

[1403] I will make a picture.

[1404] We need a video.

[1405] A video?

[1406] We need a video of him.

[1407] He will try and make a video of him.

[1408] He's like moving in with his little tiny lips, moving in towards your cock.

[1409] People could do this.

[1410] I don't need to do a people.

[1411] Somebody can do this better than me. Oh, don't be a copping out.

[1412] Don't be coping out.

[1413] No, I'll do it.

[1414] I will do it.

[1415] It's your destiny.

[1416] I will do it.

[1417] It is definitely, okay.

[1418] So he's on the ground.

[1419] Somebody's in a chair.

[1420] Like what kind of chair?

[1421] Like a medical chair?

[1422] Like a dentist chair?

[1423] Like a dentist's chair?

[1424] Like a gynaecologist sort of set the scene a little.

[1425] Like your legs are strapped into some sort of a harness.

[1426] and you have a cockering on and he comes in Okay, you're getting pegged, yes or no?

[1427] No, he comes in to blow you.

[1428] Okay, he comes in to blow you and he's like a tiny, he's got a big head but his body is sort of gooey Like an alien, like it fills up like a balloon.

[1429] Like this.

[1430] Okay, that fills up with the jizz.

[1431] Which is what I think we're going to look like.

[1432] I think this is our future and I think that's what's going to happen in the meta.

[1433] It's going to slowly bring us to that reality whereas time goes up.

[1434] and we evolve.

[1435] How many years toward that?

[1436] It's a good question.

[1437] Depends on how much CRISPR gets involved.

[1438] You know, when you talk about genetic engineering, how much that gets involved because if what's going on in there is supplants the need for this body, the physical monkey body that we all have, then I think we'll get on board sooner than later.

[1439] I still think it's a wazzo.

[1440] I still think until we're like super jacked with sort of like biological technology like that, I still think it's At least 50 years.

[1441] Yeah, I tell you're just like, fuck it.

[1442] I want to look like that.

[1443] What is this?

[1444] I don't like that, right?

[1445] Wow, look at that.

[1446] Yeah, that looks like aliens.

[1447] New Vives.

[1448] Rock out at VR concerts.

[1449] Feel alive.

[1450] What is that, quote?

[1451] Feel alive in an audiovisual joyride in the comfort of your home.

[1452] Feel alive.

[1453] So what I'm showing you is HTC Vives.

[1454] Newest.

[1455] VR headset that doesn't have controllers, and it's wireless.

[1456] Oh, it's just your hands?

[1457] It's only tethered to a lot.

[1458] phone.

[1459] What do you think about VR?

[1460] Do you like VR?

[1461] I'm fascinated by it.

[1462] So, but what about your hands?

[1463] It just tracks.

[1464] Am I assuming?

[1465] I don't think it even does that.

[1466] That's why you have to have the phone attached to it.

[1467] Oh, I see.

[1468] Right.

[1469] But I mean, like, what if you're going to do like one of the boxing games?

[1470] This is not for that.

[1471] So this is why I'm, I was, this is for like a different experience on VR that's not gaming.

[1472] Oh, just kind of like watching stuff.

[1473] Oh, well, that's cool.

[1474] It's close to sunglasses too where they're almost see -through.

[1475] That's pretty dull.

[1476] It looks so light.

[1477] But you were holding up the alien head and I was like, that looks like the alien's eyes.

[1478] It really does.

[1479] Well, that's probably what the eyeballs are, those things.

[1480] It's getting better.

[1481] Yeah, that's what it is.

[1482] VR goggles.

[1483] Easy phone pairing.

[1484] Look at that girl.

[1485] She's all sat namaste.

[1486] She's all namaste.

[1487] This seems like that's something you wouldn't want to do.

[1488] They're like, do yoga with those on.

[1489] Why would you want to have that on while you're doing?

[1490] She's a freak.

[1491] Look at it.

[1492] Serenity happens when our senses are free to explore.

[1493] See, feel, and play.

[1494] play to your heart's delight or just to actually do that you fuck serenity does not happen when you're connected to the matrix Jesus Christ did we not learn from Keanu Reeves now are you excited for that new one yeah I'm excited seems to pretty are you yeah yeah of course definitely those other ones are crazy I mean so good I'm all in no those were crazy like that was deaf I remember seeing that first one that was like I was a freshman in college and it was just like what the fuck honestly that was the only one that was good.

[1495] The first one?

[1496] Yeah.

[1497] I like the second one too.

[1498] It was part of it.

[1499] It was okay.

[1500] It was crazy like graphics too.

[1501] That scene with the like where he's spinning and there's like a billion guys jumping on him like that was crazy shit like nobody had done.

[1502] Oh yeah.

[1503] But don't you think there was a bit of a drop off in the way you felt about the completeness of the narrative in the film and the whole thing?

[1504] It wasn't as like I mean the first one like if it was just that one like it ended in a way where it was just like fucking boom like.

[1505] Mike drop fucking insane Yeah, it was insane It was really good It was also a unique concept In that we kind of thought it was common Like if you think about the future If you think about Human beings in our relationship to technology And when you go back to that film Like what was the Matrix?

[1506] Like 2009 1999?

[1507] Yeah, no I was a freshman I remember like walking outside After watching that And it was like Oh my God is fucking reality real like I was like fucked up like it was like what the fuck like it's kind of crazy if you think about 99 too technology was in its infancy oh yeah this was like I got into college and it was like I've got broadband internet like what the fuck I can download any mp3 like you know what they should do what they should do instead of all this matrix four shit they should redo the matrix with new technology like they redo spider man they just did a thing I saw on with unreal engine oh my god it is fucking crazy as shit dude There's an unreal with, oh my God, it is insane.

[1508] Yeah, with the Matrix.

[1509] Oh, you got to pull that up.

[1510] It's called The Matrix Awakens.

[1511] It's technically a tech demo.

[1512] It's not quite a game.

[1513] It's running on PS5 and Xbox One.

[1514] It is insane.

[1515] It is fucking insane.

[1516] It looks so good.

[1517] You've drank that whole scotch now.

[1518] You're a little lit.

[1519] You're feeling it?

[1520] Look at this.

[1521] Hi, I'm Thomas Anderson.

[1522] Instead of why.

[1523] This is actually like the whole thing.

[1524] Oh, it's Keanu?

[1525] That's him.

[1526] See, that's, I think, Kim.

[1527] If you scroll forward a bit.

[1528] To, like, not him.

[1529] Oh, so that's a digital version.

[1530] Whoa!

[1531] The uncanny valley has been crossed.

[1532] No, no, it's insane, like the video that they have.

[1533] Like, it's like, okay, video games are about to get like, yeah, that's fucking video game.

[1534] Wow.

[1535] It's so close now.

[1536] My God, it's so close.

[1537] It's getting better and better all the time.

[1538] Insane.

[1539] Oh, 67 Camero.

[1540] Nice.

[1541] Maybe 68.

[1542] but this is amazing Yeah It's so good Yeah like look at that That's like real time That's a video game now Like what the fuck That's amazing The representations Of the humans They're so good now Yeah and the like All of the like Lightings the shot I mean it's just like They're able to like Just do anything Well this is where the future is The future is It's what it looks like at night Wow That's gorgeous Yeah The expansion of the capabilities of these engines, and we've highlighted the Unreal Engine, the newest Unreal Engine.

[1543] There's a scene where, I don't know if you've seen the scene, where they're outside in the canyons.

[1544] Yeah, yeah, the girl climbing up from Lake Mountain in the Canyon.

[1545] It's insane.

[1546] It's insane.

[1547] It's so good.

[1548] It's so crazy.

[1549] Well, this is like near and dear to your heart, right?

[1550] Because this is the kind of stuff that you work with.

[1551] Yeah, 100%.

[1552] And that's where I kind of like came up seeing video games, like getting better and better.

[1553] Like even as a little kid, it's like, oh, Mario 2 looks better than Mario 1.

[1554] Yeah.

[1555] The next one looks better.

[1556] And then it's 3D.

[1557] And then, like, Quake and Wolfenstein.

[1558] And like, holy shit, this is like getting crazier and crazier and crazier and like.

[1559] And then to be able to sort of like make those things now is like just insane like seeing where it came from.

[1560] When they're younger in particular, I used to love taking them to animated movies.

[1561] And it's like many of those movies are very fun, even for adults, like the Incredibles and stuff like that.

[1562] But what's really incredible and what's really enjoyable to me was just seeing how far the technology had gone.

[1563] And so let me think of films like Despicable Me. Yeah.

[1564] Despicable Me is a great example.

[1565] It's a fun.

[1566] It's a kid's movie.

[1567] But when you're watching it, you're looking at this and you're going, Jesus, this technology is incredible.

[1568] The animation is so expressive.

[1569] So expressive and the shadowing and the like with the light source, the way they're reacting to like a single light source.

[1570] Like when you see these scenes out in streets, you're seeing the shadows that are representative of the sun in the particular place that it is in the sky.

[1571] And I'm taking all this in while I'm watching that.

[1572] My kids are just enjoying the movie, I'm assuming they're little kids.

[1573] Sure, sure, sure.

[1574] But I'm just blown away by the technology itself.

[1575] It's crazy because it's like it's really limited by your imagination.

[1576] Like you can literally just do anything you can think.

[1577] of at this point and it's sort of like it's crazy to see like where that's going to go like it's very hard to sort of like picture looking back 20 years from now and us looking at the stuff like we look at 20 years ago how it looks so primitive and so like simple like yeah it's hard to imagine how it could even sort of like get better from here because it's already so sophisticated I guess it's got to get better of course it will definitely get better but it's like how how much better can it get and what's going to what is going to going to happen do you think do you think it's going to be immersive like a i i mean how far out are you thinking i think the next big thing is going to be a r that it's sort of in the next maybe 10 years people are going to have air glasses and you're going to see all kinds of crazy shit like and it'll be just like the phone where it's super addictive everybody has that they don't fucking leave the house without their air glasses and it's really like super easy where you can like look up and see the weather and like all this shit overlaid maybe that's going to take the that's going to happen before genetic engineering.

[1578] Yeah, 100%.

[1579] That'll be like 10 years from that.

[1580] So every man will look gorgeous.

[1581] Every man will look like Chris Hemsworth and every woman will look perfect because you have the AR on.

[1582] So you know women wear makeup to look better?

[1583] Yep.

[1584] We're just going to wear AR.

[1585] So everyone will look better.

[1586] Well, that's the thing.

[1587] I could choose how you look.

[1588] Yes.

[1589] You could choose how your like partner looks.

[1590] It's sort of like I haven't seen their actual face in 20 years because I have an AR filter on that I've been using for the last 20 years.

[1591] years or you change it or whatever.

[1592] Just staple it right to your fucking eyebrows.

[1593] There's going to be a lot of fucking weird shit like that because everybody will be able to be in their own reality or like you like dogs.

[1594] It'll be like oh I want dogs everywhere I go.

[1595] And so like you see dogs.

[1596] Right, right.

[1597] Like that's what makes me happy and so it's like dogs follow me around and it's sort of like or zombies.

[1598] Dude, it's going to be like crazy.

[1599] Like everybody's going to be in their own fucking reality with this shit.

[1600] Undoubtedly.

[1601] Undoubtedly it's going to get more and more immersive.

[1602] What's going on Do you think people are going to, a new level, distracted driving?

[1603] Yeah.

[1604] Nah, by this time, they'll have the, like, sorted.

[1605] Yeah, they'll have that, like, sorted, I think.

[1606] Autonomous cars are coming.

[1607] I mean, I have a Tesla, the new one, the S, the plaid, the fucking driving thing is incredible.

[1608] It's even better than the older ones.

[1609] It's complicated.

[1610] It's hard to get to, though.

[1611] It's like he, what he did was put everything on a yoke.

[1612] So with the plaid, the steering wheels, this yoke, and the.

[1613] And the horn is not the center.

[1614] Like some guy cut right in front of me. I was like, Jesus, I tried to hit my horn.

[1615] Wait, this is the ass?

[1616] Yeah.

[1617] Okay.

[1618] The S plaid, the new one.

[1619] It's a button, and you've got to go like this to get to the horn.

[1620] Don't like it.

[1621] Don't like where the button is.

[1622] Love the car.

[1623] The car is a genius piece of tech.

[1624] But the horn sucks.

[1625] It sucks where it is.

[1626] It's not in the center.

[1627] It should be in the center.

[1628] All horns should be right there.

[1629] That's where the horn is.

[1630] But that's not where.

[1631] How do you get to the self -driving thing?

[1632] Isn't it through like the, menus or something shit.

[1633] Yeah, it's on there.

[1634] You can double press this thing when you get to this thing and see it scroll, but much more complicated in the old way.

[1635] The old way you double pumped this stem.

[1636] I've ever had any like weird, like it do anything weird is it always just...

[1637] I always have my hands on it.

[1638] I don't trust that bitch.

[1639] I always have my hands on that but I'll hold it for someone and watch look, look what I can do.

[1640] I don't have to drive.

[1641] Does it totally make turns?

[1642] Like will it make like a full turn or is it more like lane?

[1643] It stops the red lights.

[1644] It does everything.

[1645] Totally driving.

[1646] Yeah.

[1647] It does wild stuff now, but I don't trust it.

[1648] It's just, I'd want to, I just want to hold on.

[1649] Sure, sure, sure.

[1650] Well, you're supposed to hold on you definitely.

[1651] I don't think they're definitely recommending you to not.

[1652] I've seen some of that stuff where people do crazy shit.

[1653] Sleeping on the highway.

[1654] I could not imagine that.

[1655] I can't fucking like, have you ever driven a Tesla?

[1656] I don't think I've actually driven a Tesla.

[1657] I've driven in them, but I don't think I would.

[1658] There's no fucking way I could sleep, though.

[1659] Like, what are you talking about?

[1660] My car is some level of sort of like self -driving something.

[1661] What do you have?

[1662] It's just a total piece of shit, like Camry or something, like just...

[1663] Why do you have a Camry?

[1664] You have $100 million you made this year.

[1665] Get a real car.

[1666] I bought a Camry since I made all that money.

[1667] What is wrong with you?

[1668] I don't give any shit about cars.

[1669] Yeah, but...

[1670] Those are not safe.

[1671] No, they're not safe.

[1672] I should get a better car that's like safer.

[1673] No, wait, I shouldn't say that.

[1674] They're probably safer than old cars, which is what I like.

[1675] But they're not safer than new good cars.

[1676] It's not slick.

[1677] It's not fun.

[1678] Like, if you want to get a Toyota...

[1679] Dude, it's garbage.

[1680] Get a Lexus.

[1681] Lexuses are amazing.

[1682] They make an amazing.

[1683] get like a better like car that's like kind of safer lexas lexas lexas sedans oh my god they're so smooth oh yeah i've had uh three lexas trucks over the course of the years they're the greatest cars i've ever owned they never toyota's never break they're so good they're so good at like their longevity wait lexas is toyota yeah oh i didn't know that yeah lexis is the luxury uh branch of Okay, I'm getting a laxas.

[1684] They're the best.

[1685] They don't break.

[1686] They don't fuck up, man. Yeah, that's why we got the camera.

[1687] Like, I've had cars for 300 ,000 miles, like multiple cars.

[1688] The Toyota, you definitely can.

[1689] I have a 95 Toyota Land Cruiser that I had rebuilt that I love.

[1690] I love it.

[1691] I love Toyotas.

[1692] I just think that they're so well made.

[1693] Yeah.

[1694] They just, they concentrate so much, particularly like the Land Cruiser line.

[1695] They concentrate so much on reliability, dependability.

[1696] and durability.

[1697] Wait, what's a land cruiser?

[1698] Like an SUV or like I don't even know what that is a SUV?

[1699] Yeah, it's an SUV.

[1700] And the 95, which is what I have is the 80 series, which is a legendary SUV because it, they use them a lot overseas and like they use them in Africa.

[1701] They use them in Australia quite a bit.

[1702] And like the military or just in like businesses?

[1703] But also people that are in the back.

[1704] country all the time rely on those are like an iconic sort of like model reliable I see they have solid real like live axles like solid axles in front and rear so they're really great at you know traversing difficult terrain to have like a bunch of like land like where do you like use this yeah but I do but I don't yeah I just love it because I bought a I bought a car that I specifically had made for an apocalypse vehicle.

[1705] Okay, as you do, as you do.

[1706] A large gas tank and floodlights.

[1707] What are you most worried about how this apocalypse is going to happen?

[1708] What I'm worst worried about already happened.

[1709] The people panicking and freaking out and buying guns.

[1710] It's the beginning of what could happen if we have a deterioration of society, especially if we have a lack of services.

[1711] Like if the power goes out, if the grocery stores go empty.

[1712] If the power went out, shit, we get real, real.

[1713] fast.

[1714] Real fast.

[1715] Real fast.

[1716] You're fucking your JPEGs going away real fast.

[1717] Well, I use it out here.

[1718] You don't get real.

[1719] I used it out here.

[1720] My land cruiser when we almost lost the power grid in Texas last year.

[1721] Oh, with the ice thing or whatever.

[1722] Yeah, because they're not prepared for winter because it doesn't really get, it doesn't go like Montana winter in Texas.

[1723] So when it did, they didn't know what the fuck to do.

[1724] And they came within four minutes of losing the grid.

[1725] And so.

[1726] Really?

[1727] Like, what do you mean losing it?

[1728] The power grid literally shutting down because it was overrun.

[1729] And then they figured it out and made the proper adjustments but not good but my point was when you get on the highway that time that none of the plows had worked so there's no plows out here because they don't anticipate they don't anticipate any snow yeah that's how charleston is yeah they didn't plow for days and it was like chaos just waiting until it melts but with my land cruiser I was loving it I just was gliding around town like we I had so much fun it was so easy because first of all I grew I grew up in Boston, so I'm used to being around snow.

[1730] Yeah.

[1731] And I used to deliver newspapers for a living.

[1732] So I drove in snow.

[1733] Sure, sure, sure.

[1734] For years, I drove in snow.

[1735] Yeah, I'm from Wisconsin.

[1736] I grew up in snow, like, definitely.

[1737] And with this land cruiser, my goodness, it's just my, it was like a dog that's let off the leash.

[1738] Like, yay, I get to run.

[1739] Nothing's even open, though.

[1740] Was anything even, oh, was it?

[1741] Yeah, a lot of things were open.

[1742] All the grocery stores were open, hardware stores, you know, stuff like, stuff to get things.

[1743] It's crazy how much that fuck things up, though, that we're, like, still feeling the effects of that, like, a year from now, like, supply chains and shit just like...

[1744] Well, that was minor.

[1745] The real supply chain issue is what's going on in China and overseas and dealing with the shipping crisis, which is, like, a trucking shortage.

[1746] There's quite a few issues.

[1747] Yeah.

[1748] It's quite a few issues that are compounded by inept leadership and, you know, the fact that we rely on other countries for trade, it's...

[1749] We are so dependent on other countries for our medicine.

[1750] There's a massive shortage of semiconductor chips right now, so it's very difficult for people to get cars.

[1751] Like, speaking of which, the new land cruiser that Toyota makes and the new Lexus, Lexus has like, they take the Land Cruiser 300 and they make a luxury version of that.

[1752] They had to shut down production because there's no semiconductor chips.

[1753] Yeah, it's crazy how one tiny little piece of the car can.

[1754] completely like derailed whole fucking thing that it's sort of like we've got everything ready to go this tiny little fucking thing we don't have that well what's crazy is we don't make any of that stuff that's what's crazy it's pretty fucked up so i i think a lot of that's coming back because i think this was a big wake -up call with covid that we don't make that shit and we need that shit it's not like it's like who cares it's like no we need that shit like yeah but it's more complicated than No, the problem is we've gone so far away from the American supply chain that in order for us to make all of our parts here and cars here, like, think about phones.

[1755] Phones are a great example that we bring up all the time, and I know Elon has talked about making a phone.

[1756] And if he makes a phone, I will 100 % switch over to his phone.

[1757] He's going to call it the pie phone, apparently.

[1758] Pie phone?

[1759] Yeah, I'm all in.

[1760] I want an American -made phone.

[1761] I think they can do it.

[1762] And Samsung is actually making chips here in America.

[1763] They're actually opening up a plant here in Texas to make chips in Austin.

[1764] And every phone that you get now is essentially made by people that live horrible lives.

[1765] 100 % of these dorms.

[1766] They're making, like, insanely small amounts of money.

[1767] Like, they're living in...

[1768] They have nets around the building to keep people from jumping off the roof because so many people are committing suicide.

[1769] It's not good.

[1770] That is fucked up.

[1771] And that's most of...

[1772] And that's not even...

[1773] The really dark stuff is the minerals.

[1774] the way they get the minerals out of the ground.

[1775] Oh, like rare earth minerals and shit.

[1776] Some of them were literally made, but just child slave labor is digging these minerals out of the ground.

[1777] I mean, Vice, back in the day when Vice was actually Vice, did a piece on, I believe it's called Coltran, Coltan, Coltan.

[1778] I think it's called Coltan.

[1779] That's a mineral.

[1780] It's a mineral that's, a lot of it is sourced in Africa, and a lot of it is pulled from the ground by child slave labor with like sticks.

[1781] So using sticks to get these minerals, digging them out of the ground.

[1782] Like way in like a mine or whatever.

[1783] Chipping away at this.

[1784] Imagine go to like the height of technology which is in terms of application and use by the average person is a cell phone.

[1785] Sure.

[1786] Oh yeah.

[1787] Yeah.

[1788] This is the fucking like absolute 100%.

[1789] The height of the application of technology in your everyday life.

[1790] Now take what's necessary from that and take it all the way to the beginning and you find a child's slave.

[1791] Look at this.

[1792] They're literally using sticks or shovels and digging this stuff out.

[1793] That is fucked up, dude.

[1794] Yeah.

[1795] Is this vice?

[1796] No. No, what is this?

[1797] It's a different article about it.

[1798] Different.

[1799] So is it Coltan?

[1800] Yeah.

[1801] Coltan, yeah.

[1802] Children like Solange are the first to pay.

[1803] the price of Coltan trade.

[1804] Many start working as young as seven years old.

[1805] So this is where they get this stuff.

[1806] And this stuff is what you would call a conflict mineral.

[1807] And this mineral is an important factor in the production of cell phones.

[1808] Children in the Democratic Republic of Congo mined for Coltan and face abuse to supply smartphone industry.

[1809] Jesus Christ.

[1810] That's fucking crazy, dude.

[1811] Like when you think of it exactly, how you said it in the scope of like this being the most technologically advancing and these kids are like in the fucking mud scraping it out you see it right there and it's necessary it's necessary and this is what's wrong that's so fucked up this is what's wrong with our life in general it's almost like a testament to the deterioration of our appreciation of where everything comes from and our ethics and our values is that you follow the supply you follow the chain of where the stuff that's in your phone comes from at the very start it's actually coming from slave labor that is fucked up yeah and we're all participating in it 100 % and that's the thing like that's the phones and the phones are priced the way that they are because that no no no they need that stuff the problem is that stuff yeah no i need i know they need that but it's sort of like even once they get that then it goes to china and those people are not yeah that much better they're not And it is not as bad, but it's not great either.

[1812] But the thing is there's still immense profit, immense profit by these companies.

[1813] Apple's one of the most wealthy companies on the planet Earth.

[1814] 100%.

[1815] And you've got to wonder, if you did all that in America, how much less money would you make?

[1816] You'd probably make less, but wouldn't you feel better?

[1817] Wouldn't we all feel better about a phone that was made by someone who had a great job with benefits?

[1818] and they had X amount of days off per year and they had great work conditions they were taken care of you knew that they were looking forward to going to work they were treated well there's no nets around the building they could also do that in China too like they don't have to pay people we can't fix China but what we can do is try to influence companies to make something in America and I think that if Elon started making his pie phone in America and it was a very high quality phone the only problem is so many people are married to the Apple operating system yeah that's tough to kind of like they kind of they're pretty entrenched but imagine saying fuck those slaves I need my eye photo it's definitely no I think people they don't they gloss over it yeah they convince and I think everybody convinces themselves myself included that it's sort of like okay when it's It's like, well, it's pretty fucked up in a way.

[1819] It's pretty fucked up.

[1820] It's pretty fucked up.

[1821] You're being honest.

[1822] Well, honestly, you and I might know about this, but very few people that are using phones really do.

[1823] That's true.

[1824] I'm very acutely aware of it.

[1825] I did a short film where I kind of like sort of outlay a bunch of like income inequality things that are just like, especially looking at the third world.

[1826] It's like just the average person in America, a normal salary compared to these people in the third world is like fucking.

[1827] rich as shit you know what i mean 34 000 a year you are in the top 1 % of the world yeah and that's like the top 1 % of the world and that's considered poor in america yeah and so it's like getting a sense of the like full scope of the world and how much money people have like it's super fucked up and i honestly don't think most people in america sort of like realize that well there's price the price has to scale with quality of life right but the quality of lot because Because, you know, some places it's cheaper.

[1828] Cost of living is cheaper, so it's not really apples to oranges.

[1829] But when you look at the quality of life in a lot of these places, it's fucking terrible.

[1830] Yeah.

[1831] Well, yeah.

[1832] Sort of like literally, like, I mean, thinking just about water alone.

[1833] Like, it's something that is just like, literally just.

[1834] One of the companies we donate to is Fight for the Forgotten and Fight for the Forgotten.

[1835] They build wells for the Pygmies in the Congo.

[1836] Oh, really?

[1837] Yeah, my buddy, Justin Wren, he's gone over there.

[1838] multiple times and he founded this company and they just provide clean drinking water and just due to that they've built from this program that we've done the donations that we've done and when we were working with the cash app they've I mean they've built many many many many wells over there and surprise a ton of people with clean drinking water it's something that honestly to me is like unimaginable like growing up in the United States like not a having water right it's so literally like free and ubiquitous that like that being something that you need to be like concerned about yeah for anything right well we so like when he went over there he was seeing all these children with distended bellies have you been over there like seen like i've never seen like crazy stuff like when he went over there he saw all these children with distended bellies and he was like what's going on and they're like they're off parasites like the amount of children that have parasites is off the charts it's yeah that's like so crazy like I don't know I feel like that would like super fuck me up like just even like seeing that yeah like they fucked him up and then he got malaria three times but I think that's good though like I think like I don't know malaria is good no no just sort of like seeing it and kind of like you know sort of having that firsthand experience obviously it caused him to sort of like you know yeah it became the real of focus of his life to try to help these people.

[1839] It's the reality of the world that we live in.

[1840] And that's the strangest, the strangest connection to me is what we just said, that the pinnacle of technology is directly connected to slave labor.

[1841] That if you follow it down, you get people who are the poorest people on Earth working in the worst conditions imaginable, digging holes in the ground with sticks to pull these fucking minerals out.

[1842] So even if it was in the United States, would we still be able to do that?

[1843] Because it's sort of like, my, and I'm, I don't know.

[1844] I'm more saying, like, my understanding is these rare earth metals are only in certain parts of the, like, world that I don't, I got the impression that not that many are in the United States.

[1845] That's a very good question.

[1846] That's why we need to, like, Cambodia or wherever, you know what I mean?

[1847] No, that's a good question, but you could ethically source it in those places.

[1848] Sure, yeah.

[1849] What you could do is you could develop some sort of a place in those places where you pay people.

[1850] Correctly.

[1851] Sure.

[1852] And put in safety stuff.

[1853] Put in schools and take care of them and don't.

[1854] The dark stuff is that they treat people differently in these other countries in terms of like how much they pay them and how many hours they have to work because they can.

[1855] You know, like they don't have laws there that are like the laws that we have here in America where that's why unions exist.

[1856] Unions exist as much as people love to complain about unions.

[1857] unions exist because people in power will abuse people that aren't in power.

[1858] When you're running a gigantic company and you can make X amount more by making people work X amount more and making them get paid X amount less, people just do it.

[1859] Yeah.

[1860] They do it.

[1861] If they can, they do.

[1862] You're going to go somewhere else?

[1863] Fuck off.

[1864] Take it or leave it.

[1865] And that take it or leave it shit is why unions got developed in the first place.

[1866] Then if you don't have that, worst case scenario is what we're seeing, these people are digging holes in the ground to pull out the minerals.

[1867] Well, if there's no laws and there's nothing stopping them, then they're just going to do it.

[1868] You've got to wonder if that's the only way to do it.

[1869] You also got to wonder how much of that stuff is recyclable, right?

[1870] Because we cycle through new cell phones.

[1871] From the cell phones?

[1872] I think a lot of it is recyclable.

[1873] Oh, I'd like to know.

[1874] Because there's so many cell phones that if you think about how many cell phones get thrown away and how many cell phones are.

[1875] phones get replaced every year.

[1876] Most people get a new phone, whatever, we say every two years or so.

[1877] Something like that.

[1878] I think it's slowing down, though.

[1879] It should.

[1880] I have an iPhone 11, and I use it all the time.

[1881] It's like a secondary phone that I have.

[1882] And it's not much different than my 13.

[1883] No, no. It's definitely, like, it's definitely getting more sort of, like, incremental the sort of, like, change is moving forward.

[1884] Yeah, if they could get a large supply.

[1885] of those rare earth minerals but then the other thing is like do those minerals get exhausted by the use in the cell phone are they recyclable i think some i think most my understanding i could be just completely talking on my ass i think most are recyclable but of it's very small amount are not recyclable well that's one there's just such a weird aspect of the most advanced part of our life and our our society it is weird that it comes down to these like literal like fucking crystals like fucking that it's like we need these magic crystals to fucking like beam shit from outer space like if you step back and think about it it's absolutely fucking like insane like just do you remember Star Trek these things I never watched Star Trek that much I was very much more into Star Wars well that's what they needed in Star Trek they needed crystals some crystals for their like spaceship or some shit what they use in Star Trek remember they always needed like some fucking crystals to run the Enterprise there was like a thing they would have to fucking crystals yeah there was a thing they would have to get crystals from some dilithium is that what it was it's an invented material which serves in which star track are we talking there's like a what you said it's an anti -matter matter reactor fuel dilithium crystals oh I started to put up there yeah yeah dilithium is an invented material which serves the controlling agent in the matter anti -matter reactors The original series, dilithium crystals were rare and could not be replicated making the search for them a recurring plot element.

[1886] Yeah, makes sense.

[1887] That's probably how it's going to go down.

[1888] Isn't that wild that even back in the Star Trek days, which I believe started in like 60s, 7 or something like that, that even back then they recognized that there was a need for crystals and minerals.

[1889] It is pretty fucked up.

[1890] Yeah.

[1891] Dilithium crystals.

[1892] It'll be interesting if those become very very, very very like we run out and like in the future that it's like oh shit those become insanely insanely like expensive or something they'll figure out other ways around it I think we would hope but that they'll figure out shit that's not the case with the supply chain issues we realize like okay they're not figuring it out we have a real issue that's true that's true yeah I mean it's definitely yeah it's not a given that people will figure it out there's these problems are very complex and they're sort of like there's no guarantee they'll just get solved.

[1893] No, as we've seen over the last, you know, year and a half.

[1894] Yeah, and I wonder what else could be done in terms of like how to make electronics.

[1895] Like is the path that they're on now using these coal tan crystals and coal tan minerals and using all these different things that we have with semiconductor chips, is that the only way to do this?

[1896] Or is this the way we've gone down this very particular path and we're so far down this path that we don't want to start from scratch again and take it from step one.

[1897] Nah, I think they'll do other things.

[1898] I think they'll in the future have more like bioengineering things will they'll figure out how to hack a like blood cell or something and that will be the like fucking, you know, microchip or some shit.

[1899] I smell an animation cooking.

[1900] I think there will be other things like, again, there's a lot of people are very incentivized if these metals become a problem to figure out something else because you fucking figure that thing out.

[1901] There's a bazillion trillion dollars.

[1902] So I think it's one of these things where there's got to be other ways around this stuff.

[1903] I think it just is going to take time.

[1904] The problem is that that might be the way around it, that it becomes integrated with your body.

[1905] So that might be the thing that leads us to become fucking cyborgs.

[1906] That's the motivation.

[1907] Yeah, I mean, I think that's still a ways off.

[1908] I think we'll just sort of subtly, how long?

[1909] Well, okay, when you say cyborgs, what do you, what do you, mean though because that's actually kind of like what's your definition of a cyborg well Elon thinks that they're going to be able to do um neuralink and help people with nerve issues like people have had like spinal cord injuries they're going to be able to start doing that within the next year or so but that's not a cyborg of course it is you could you would consider those people cyborgs of course it is of course it is it's a beginning of a cyborg you're you're taking a very advanced computer system and you're integrating it with a human body.

[1910] Not only that, you're integrating it with one of the most important and complex parts of the human body, the neural interface, the interface between the brain and the nerves and the way the body moves.

[1911] It's one of the most complex, and not only that, the way the body thinks, you're going to be able to change the way a human being has access to information and broaden the bandwidth that a person has.

[1912] You're through Wi -Fi or whatever future technology, 5G, 6G, whatever the fuck it is, you're going to be able to be connected to the internet in your fucking head.

[1913] And it's going to be everywhere.

[1914] But when do you think?

[1915] So, like, I mean, not to downplode these things, obviously it's crazy as shit.

[1916] But I guess I was thinking of Cyborg more in like a sci -fi sense.

[1917] Like when you are like, when do you think you'll be able to sort of like get a piece of information from the internet into your brain just by sort of like thinking of it.

[1918] Not that long.

[1919] You think that'll be in the next five years, ten years?

[1920] In our lifetime, for sure.

[1921] In our lifetime.

[1922] I mean, if it's ten years or twenty years, I think once it happens, the ten years after that are going to happen so fast.

[1923] Oh, yeah, it's going to get real fucking, it's going to get real fast real quick.

[1924] Well, think how weird it's gotten in the 20 -plus years the Internet's been around.

[1925] So the Internet has been around essentially, let's call it 30.

[1926] Let's call it 30 years.

[1927] 91?

[1928] Call it 30 years.

[1929] Sure.

[1930] So in the 30 years, the Internet's been around.

[1931] The world has become unrecognizable.

[1932] It's a completely different world.

[1933] Not just unrecognizable in terms of your ability to access information, but also unrecognizable in the ability that governments have to control people with social credit score systems that they're implementing in places like China and places that are controlled by military dictatorships, but also unrecognizable in the way we interface with life.

[1934] we're inseparable from our phones.

[1935] Everybody carries a phone everywhere you go.

[1936] And it matters, it can change people's lives what they do on the internet.

[1937] I mean, I'm definitely sort of like a big example, this podcast, like obviously you decided to start a podcast.

[1938] And like over the internet became this like massive thing.

[1939] And I think it's crazy to think like that we're only 30 years into this.

[1940] And the first 10 years, I mean the 90s, that was sort of like, you know, that was kind of a wash. things really started to like gain steam in the last 20 years and really even in the last 10 years started to really like it's changing pretty quick here and like things are moving and it's really starting starting to see huge effects like in politics and things like that that are really sort of like materially changing the world so what if what we're saying in terms of children in the Congo pulling cold tan out of the ground becomes a boring becomes something that people are just, we will not tolerate, completely intolerable, and we need solutions.

[1941] And the solution comes about that the way to do it is biologics.

[1942] And the way to do it is the integration into the human mind with some sort of neuralink type interface.

[1943] That would lead us to the matrix.

[1944] It would lead us to some, I mean, that seems to be where it's headed.

[1945] And it's one of the reasons why those movies are so compelling.

[1946] It's almost like we see the future laid out before us if we don't have some sort of a radical change into what we accept, what we tolerate, and what we universally adopt because we've universally adopted cell phones.

[1947] They're unavoidable at this point.

[1948] If you don't have a cell phone, you're so far removed from the cultural conversation that it's way more rare, which is pretty crazy that in just a short period of time, a device has been so popular that it's way more rare to not have it than it is to have it.

[1949] Way more rare.

[1950] Like almost nobody.

[1951] You know almost nobody.

[1952] Even like people where it's like you don't really need one like, you know, very, very old or this or that, sort of like they have one.

[1953] Or very, very young too.

[1954] Very few.

[1955] Yeah.

[1956] It's on both sides.

[1957] And it's sort of like, yeah, that whole adoption happened in like, what, 10 years?

[1958] It was pretty quick.

[1959] It went from like zero to like every single person has this device.

[1960] And the device is gaining capabilities very, very quickly.

[1961] Do you think the way you're creating art would one day change to the point where you would create some sort of an art that people interface with in a much more realistic sense, like a virtual reality sense?

[1962] Like if they come up with something that takes what you normally would see on a computer, now you get it on the phone, and then you're going to get it in your brain.

[1963] So you would create maybe small experiences.

[1964] Sure.

[1965] Yeah, 100%.

[1966] I think that's sort of like if that technology, because at the end of the day, I look at art as just a way to sort of like, sort of get ideas across and give people some sort of like emotional experience.

[1967] You experience some emotion when you, you know, see the underwear and this or that.

[1968] It's funny or this or that.

[1969] And I think, you know, as new tools progress, I'll use those tools.

[1970] Like whatever is sort of like available to me, that's what I'll like use.

[1971] And I'm always excited.

[1972] about the most advanced technologies out there that are sort of, you know, bleeding edge type things that can give you a more just visceral experience with art. Have you seen Ready Player 1?

[1973] Yeah, 100%.

[1974] That, and Jamie just read the sequel to it.

[1975] Apparently, there's an awesome sequel.

[1976] But Ready Player 1 to me represents the pitfalls and the inevitable, both together, that people are not going to care about the extreme.

[1977] physical world because you're going to be interested in the internal digital world.

[1978] Yeah, and I think that's where it's sort of, I think it, especially if the problems in the physical world become very annoying and very sort of like, it becomes a not fun place.

[1979] And you can like, you know, immediately sort of like be in a very different space that makes you feel better and makes you feel like you're in like a cool place.

[1980] instead of a shitty dumpy place, then, yeah, I could very much see that.

[1981] Yeah, we'll be incentivized.

[1982] And I think that that could be what's happening when you look at all the negativity that's on Twitter.

[1983] I would venture to say that at least 40 % of what's written on Twitter's negative.

[1984] Yeah, I mean, it's definitely...

[1985] I just threw that number out, just made it up.

[1986] It's probably accurate, though.

[1987] What do you think, Jamie?

[1988] What percentage of Twitter do you think is negative?

[1989] 30%.

[1990] Yeah, but I was also...

[1991] I can't not know that...

[1992] Half of it is created by bots and just, like, trolls.

[1993] Shit posting.

[1994] Yeah, right.

[1995] But my point is, the experience of people who take it in.

[1996] It doesn't matter if it's a bot or if it's shit posters or if it's trolls.

[1997] What you're taking in is negative.

[1998] It's negativity.

[1999] That could motivate people to go into some sort of meta -type environment that would be much more positive -based, much more positivity -based.

[2000] I think the metaverse will just be a, extension of Twitter.

[2001] Yeah, but it's not Twitter.

[2002] It's Facebook.

[2003] When you see that, you know, whatever, it's just, it's the same.

[2004] It's people congregating in a space, but it will sort of be like, it will just be a version of, Facebook is just a version of Twitter.

[2005] They're the same sort of like, there's a bunch of like, they're just organized differently.

[2006] All that negativity, you just see it in like little groups of like, you know, sort of people congregate.

[2007] You know what they're planning with meta, right?

[2008] Yeah.

[2009] I mean, I think there, I think they're, I think that.

[2010] that was mostly just marketing BS, to be quite honest.

[2011] Like, I don't think anything changed that much right now.

[2012] I think they're planning to do these things, but I think they're still, like, a ways off in terms of them sort of building this, like, Metaverse.

[2013] I think the term Metaverse is thrown around a lot, and it's not, there's no sort of, like, clear definition of it.

[2014] Right, but they're defining what they're going to do in the future when the technology becomes more viable.

[2015] They're essentially, they're, they're set the foundation.

[2016] They're laying the foundation, and they're going to run the elaborate.

[2017] electrical and the gas and the water pipes, but this is the future.

[2018] Yeah, but I mean, are you going to be super excited to get into that future with Facebook?

[2019] It doesn't matter.

[2020] I wouldn't have been super excited to get into Twitter if you told me in 2007 what it would become in 2021.

[2021] Sure, that's true.

[2022] It's definitely, I mean, I think they will certainly try to do something, but I think people are going to be a bit resistant to that just because they sort of, I don't know, you don't think so.

[2023] No chance.

[2024] No chance.

[2025] They're diving right in.

[2026] If it's, that's the thing.

[2027] People will dive right in if it's compelling.

[2028] If they create something where it's a compelling experience, then people will sign up.

[2029] If they don't, then people won't.

[2030] Have you seen the meta commercial where the kids are at the, they're at a museum?

[2031] A Facebook commercial?

[2032] It's a meta.

[2033] It's a meta.

[2034] I'm not seeing that.

[2035] You need to see it.

[2036] Is it like trapey as shit?

[2037] No, no, no, no, it's actually cool.

[2038] Like the thing about the commercial is, like you go, oh, I want to do that.

[2039] Oh, okay.

[2040] I want to hang out with these kids.

[2041] That's the thing.

[2042] If they make something that's a cool experience, people will do it.

[2043] Let me show you, you'll be able to appreciate this because it's interactive.

[2044] So here's the experience.

[2045] So you've got these kids.

[2046] Oh, I have seen this.

[2047] I have seen this.

[2048] I never actually looked at it that closely, though, to be quite honest.

[2049] I love it.

[2050] I love the commercial.

[2051] So they're watching this picture, and they're leaning close, and the tiger looks at them.

[2052] And so look, when you get into it.

[2053] This is the dimension of imagination.

[2054] This commercial, to me, is really well done.

[2055] Because these kids are looking at it.

[2056] At first they're a little skeptical, and then they start bobbing their heads to the music.

[2057] Look, yeah.

[2058] Okay.

[2059] Look at that fucking owl.

[2060] That's cool.

[2061] Look at these monkeys dancing.

[2062] The snake is cool.

[2063] Look at this.

[2064] Look at them.

[2065] See, look, now they're all in.

[2066] Look.

[2067] Now they're all in.

[2068] Bobbing heads.

[2069] They've got the youths.

[2070] They've got the youth demo lockdown.

[2071] This is going to be fun.

[2072] Facebook converts.

[2073] It turns into meta.

[2074] And they use like a version of the Infinity logo, which is kind of true.

[2075] creepy that is interesting where your soul i mean that's the thing again yeah if they make something that's freaking good like that's the reason like why are you still on twitter i'm not so you what do you mean you're not on twitter you're not on it i don't post i occasionally dip my tone to why do you well let's say facebook you still post things on facebook i no go straight through my instagram post on facebook i don't or on instagram i mean instagram yeah so it's like why do you post on Instagram still.

[2076] Well, it helps promote shows.

[2077] It helps, uh, I like, there's some things I find that are interesting and I think people would benefit from knowing about.

[2078] Um, you know, sometimes it's cool stuff that I find out.

[2079] Like, last night I got obsessed with, uh, flowers that look exactly like birds.

[2080] Have you ever paid attention to that?

[2081] Flowers that look exactly like birds?

[2082] Yeah.

[2083] Pull up, uh, my last post.

[2084] Yeah, I got obsessed last night.

[2085] I went down a rabbit hole with, um, flowers that look like birds.

[2086] To, like, spread their, like, pollen no no why do they look like birds to avoid predation to keep bugs away look at that oh that's crazy crazy and that's just one look at that one that's a flower that's a flower what the fuck so it it avoids predation what the fuck yeah that is crazy and hummingbirds and hummingbirds eat bugs oh my god in the wild that is super fucked up and like what's the what is the definition of that what is the definition of that I mean what is the explanation for that.

[2087] There is not one.

[2088] I've looked into it.

[2089] They don't exactly know.

[2090] It's got to be some like evolutionary type.

[2091] Well, some of it, like there you see Forrest Galante says some of it is coincidence, some of his bio, he's a biologist.

[2092] Some of it is biomimicry.

[2093] And most interesting interestingly, some of it means to signal to other species to visit the flower to help pollinate.

[2094] Botany is one of the fields where we think we know everything and we have barely scratched the surface.

[2095] Yeah.

[2096] The idea that there's biomimicry, would somehow or another suggest that these things can see.

[2097] That's what's crazy.

[2098] I don't understand.

[2099] Like, yeah, 100 % like, what does that even fucking mean?

[2100] Go back to those first images.

[2101] Like, it's a fucking plant.

[2102] Go back to that one.

[2103] Like, that is so clearly a bird.

[2104] I know.

[2105] Like, that doesn't even make sense.

[2106] Biomimicry.

[2107] Like, how does a plant be like, you know what?

[2108] I'm going to change how I look over time to look like a bird.

[2109] What the f -it's so, like, bizarre.

[2110] It's so bizarre, and the fact that it's common, I mean, it's, there's multiple species.

[2111] Well, yeah, there's like a bunch of different kinds, like super clearly look like birds.

[2112] Does this one and go to the other one, the first image?

[2113] This is another one.

[2114] That looks exactly like that.

[2115] That looks exactly like.

[2116] It has eyeballs, man. I mean, it has a beak that's yellow.

[2117] It has the face that's white.

[2118] It has eyeballs that are black.

[2119] It's wild.

[2120] It looks so much like a bird.

[2121] It's very, very interesting.

[2122] And honestly, I think it's for the, like, pollination because then the bird touches it and then it goes, spreads it, like.

[2123] Well, birds don't really pollinates, generally inserts.

[2124] Oh, is it?

[2125] Yeah.

[2126] I don't think birds pollinate, do they?

[2127] I think it's mostly bees.

[2128] Maybe not.

[2129] But the point is that somehow or another, this plant figured out a way to pretend that it's a bird.

[2130] Yeah, that's super messed up.

[2131] So that's what I use Instagram for.

[2132] That makes it full circle.

[2133] But I think it's something where you can kind of like share that.

[2134] Look at that one, man. That is crazy.

[2135] Bird -shaped magnolia.

[2136] Wild.

[2137] It looks so much like birds.

[2138] So beautiful.

[2139] That one's a little abstract.

[2140] I was just thinking, it's not the angle because some of these obviously definitely look like birds.

[2141] No, there's like a bunch, though.

[2142] That's like, yeah.

[2143] That one, the one that I showed the top right one, upper right -hand corner.

[2144] That is crazy.

[2145] That one is the most crazy.

[2146] is the face is like the beak and the eyeballs.

[2147] It's so like a bird.

[2148] I mean, even the way they're perched on the branches where a bird would be sitting.

[2149] Biomimicry is so bizarre.

[2150] Well, it's bizarre when you see octopus, octopi doing it in the bottom of the sea, but it makes sense.

[2151] Wait, what do they do?

[2152] They mimic the walls of the coral.

[2153] Oh, the coral.

[2154] Completely where they look exactly.

[2155] Cuttlefish do it too.

[2156] and they mimic it in order to hide from predators and to hide from their prey so they can just sit there and chill and then when something swims by they can reach out and grab it.

[2157] That's crazy, and they like change color or like change...

[2158] Change everything, change the texture.

[2159] You never seen?

[2160] I'm not sure I've seen that.

[2161] Oh, pull up images of octa...

[2162] I didn't not know about this until my friend Remy.

[2163] My friend Remy Warren used to have this television show.

[2164] What was it called?

[2165] The Predator...

[2166] Apex Predator, I think it was called.

[2167] And what it was about, the show was basically about watching how predators pursue their prey and all the different tactics and skills that they use.

[2168] And he would try to either mimic them or try to figure out like how, what are the limitations of a human when they try to do like what a wolf does when it chases down a pack of elk.

[2169] And one of the things that he did was try to figure out what an octopus does to hunt.

[2170] and he came on the show and was talking to me about he goes dude he goes they're fucking aliens he goes they're so different than everything else they're first of all they're really intelligent to the point where they can solve puzzles they can open up jars like if you put food inside of a jar they can squish really like ridiculously yeah really tiny so watch this I mean these things can totally pretend to be their environment so they assume the texture wow yeah they can not just assume Exactly the same as the things surrounding it.

[2171] So it's not just assuming the coral reef's colors.

[2172] It's assuming the texture of the coral reef, which is so bizarre.

[2173] So they can change the surface of their skin, both in color and in texture and depth.

[2174] It's wild.

[2175] There's a bunch of them, though.

[2176] There's one of them we see cuddlfish are maybe even perhaps more impressive.

[2177] Pull up cuttlefish.

[2178] What are cuddfish?

[2179] It's a type of cephalopod.

[2180] It's real similar to an octopus or a squid.

[2181] Yeah, the amazing colorfish, life on the reef.

[2182] Have you ever gone, like, kind of scuba diving with this stuff?

[2183] Like, do you do that kind of stuff?

[2184] No, I've never done scuba diving.

[2185] I've done snorkeling before.

[2186] Yeah, but these things, watch how it does this.

[2187] So they're swimming along, and then look, it just changes colors.

[2188] What the fuck?

[2189] Yeah, dude.

[2190] I mean, it's alien.

[2191] That is insane.

[2192] And watch when it comes to another place, it'll find another place where it seems like it can kind of blend it and hide, and then it'll adapt its colors to that place.

[2193] So not only can it see what's below it, but it can mimic it.

[2194] That is insane.

[2195] Watch how it does it, though, when it gets near this coral.

[2196] It's crazy.

[2197] It does it no matter what it crosses over.

[2198] They did one, Google Cuddlefish over chess board.

[2199] They did one where they tried to put one over a checkered chest board.

[2200] To see it, like, change.

[2201] And it panicked.

[2202] It's like, what is this?

[2203] And you see it try to imitate the squares, and it's kind of freaked out, trying to figure out what the squares are and how to imitate.

[2204] Because you're imitating something that doesn't exist in the ocean, which is right angles.

[2205] Right angles and very peculiar patterns.

[2206] Yeah, black.

[2207] Solid black.

[2208] Yeah, and solid symmetry, too.

[2209] So watch this.

[2210] So here's the cuttlefish.

[2211] Cuddlefish is trying to figure out what It's like what is going on here Like it tries to Isn't it crazy how it uses its skin See it's trying to figure out how to be That black and white Yeah it doesn't exactly know what to do But look how it developed Go back a little bit Look at it's doing it right there It's making it like a zebra So it knows there's black and white But it doesn't have the ability to develop those right angles in its repertoire.

[2212] Wow, that is nuts.

[2213] Isn't crazy how it became a part of that couch?

[2214] Yeah.

[2215] It's just so bizarre.

[2216] It's so bizarre to me that there's like my understanding, maybe you know better at me, like thousands or tens of thousands of species that we just don't even like know about.

[2217] Oh, yeah.

[2218] Ocean that it's just sort of like.

[2219] Yeah, oh, the ocean is a treasure troil of that.

[2220] They find something and then it's just like, oh, here's a thing we've never known about.

[2221] Like that, it just feels to me like that, shouldn't be the case like that we've found everything well we definitely haven't even explored 90 something percent i think it's we've explored 10 percent of the ocean see if that's correct if i if i had a guess i think that's what the most recent estimate is that we've explored somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 percent of the ocean like that's bizarre to me it's so big it's three quarters of the earth it's but it's still like it's three quarters of the earth and we can't breathe in it it kind of sense.

[2222] Yeah.

[2223] It's amazing we've explored 10%.

[2224] That's true.

[2225] I mean, what the fuck are we?

[2226] We have submarines and we go to, you know?

[2227] It's just, yeah.

[2228] I mean, but they, there's a bunch of stuff that they still find also in sort of like African places like that too, don't they?

[2229] Like, kind of tree frogs and things and stuff like that and in the rainforest and like crazy shit like that.

[2230] Like, I don't know.

[2231] It's just, it's just mind boggling.

[2232] We're up to maybe 20 % because it says more than 80 % of the ocean is unmapped.

[2233] So.

[2234] Oh.

[2235] Reverse math says...

[2236] Yeah, that's mapped, though.

[2237] You know, like mapped and explored, like, there's a difference between our understanding of, like, what's the surface and the depth and how to map it out versus knowing all the biology that's under the surface of the water.

[2238] Do you fish or not really?

[2239] Yeah, yeah, fish.

[2240] I love fishing, yeah.

[2241] What kind of, like, fishing?

[2242] Is there anything in particular that you like, like, fishing for, or just...

[2243] I like all kinds of, I like freshwater, salt water.

[2244] I like all kinds of fishing.

[2245] And is it like sort of normal or like crazy marlin?

[2246] No, I like things I eat, you know?

[2247] If I catch something, I want to eat.

[2248] More like chill, like sort of just kind of going out in a boat and fishing.

[2249] Yeah, it's fun.

[2250] It's just like the thing I do with my kids too.

[2251] My kids enjoy fishing.

[2252] Whenever we go on a vacation, we try to get some fishing in.

[2253] I don't, see, that's another thing where it's like I don't know how to do all the like hooks and stuff.

[2254] It's not hard.

[2255] And so it's like my kid like had a fishing pool and it just got all tangled up.

[2256] fast.

[2257] Well, you learn.

[2258] It's not complicated.

[2259] Morons know how to do it.

[2260] That's true.

[2261] What you know with all these 3D programs, you know?

[2262] But when things get tangled up too, I get really frustrated and it's just like, okay, God damn it.

[2263] The key to that stuff is to not ever let it get to the point of being tangled, so you have to think about it.

[2264] It's called a bird's nest when it gets all tangled up in a reel.

[2265] Yeah.

[2266] But it's way worse with a casting reel.

[2267] See, with most Most people have what's called a spinning reel or a spin casting reel.

[2268] You press a button and cast.

[2269] Yeah, just let go of it.

[2270] Or you pull the thing back.

[2271] You pull the loop back and cast.

[2272] But it was like a $10 one.

[2273] So it was just probably like a total piece of shit.

[2274] You just need to get someone to show you how to do it.

[2275] And then, you know, with bait casting is you have to actually feather it with your thumb.

[2276] So what you do is you hold your thumb down on the reel and then you cast.

[2277] It's more accurate though.

[2278] And then you can kind of control how.

[2279] far it goes with the pressure you put on the line oh that's on the line that's what's like keeping it from like going I see that's interesting but when you let it go just let it go let it go it spins out it spins out of control and then it gets fucked then it becomes it's called the bird's nest where it's all just like chaos yeah but that's that's the my favorite way to fish with bait casting reels because it's so accurate so like if you're fishing for bass like in your near say a shore and you're casting into where these lily pads are, a good angler who's really good with a bait casting reel can kind of place the lure pretty close.

[2280] Yeah, we're real good.

[2281] And it depends upon like the weight of the lure and the pound test of the line that has a factor.

[2282] And it's one of those things you develop a feel for.

[2283] Like he developed, like if you had a bag of rocks and they were all the same weight and you just threw a rock and you're like, all right, throw it this hard.

[2284] It goes that far.

[2285] If I throw it this hard, and after a while, you would get a sense, okay, now I know how far that rock's going to go.

[2286] Sure.

[2287] Like a baseball is a perfect example.

[2288] Yeah.

[2289] A baseball is a uniform size, a uniform weight, and, you know, you know that if you throw it at a certain way, it's going to go a certain distance.

[2290] And people get super accurate with it, right?

[2291] Pitchers are fucking super accurate with baseballs.

[2292] You can eventually get pretty fucking accurate with a bait casting rod once you get.

[2293] But it's a developed thing.

[2294] It's like you've developed this ability to do digital art. Some people have developed this ability to do fishing.

[2295] Sure.

[2296] Yeah, no, do you fish, like, around here?

[2297] Is there like a lot of, like, good places?

[2298] Yeah, Texas is a great place for bass fishing.

[2299] Yeah.

[2300] Yeah, we've got like a little pond behind our house.

[2301] Like, I don't know if it's like a retention pond or something.

[2302] And sometimes we'll go out there with like an apple and like try and fish in there.

[2303] And the fish will, yeah, just like, I don't know.

[2304] Why are you using an apple?

[2305] Just because, again, like, dude, I don't know anything about this shit.

[2306] Get some worms.

[2307] It's like a $10 fucking, like, thing that it's just like, but any of the worms, like, you got to, like, put it on the thing.

[2308] I don't really want to put the things.

[2309] You're the worm.

[2310] I feel, like, bad.

[2311] You feel bad?

[2312] They don't even notice it.

[2313] I know, but it's just kind of, and it's just kind of nasty to me, too.

[2314] It's a little nasty.

[2315] It's like, I don't really are.

[2316] Because that's why you get fish, though.

[2317] You cast, catch the fish, it's exciting.

[2318] So we've thrown the wood, the wood.

[2319] the apple chunks into the thing.

[2320] The fish will bite them a little bit, but there's no chance in how we're ever going to, like, catch a fish.

[2321] Like, I feel bad for my kid.

[2322] I don't, I don't.

[2323] Do you think we're going to catch a fish with these apple chunks?

[2324] Not with that attitude.

[2325] How long do you usually go fishing before you catch something?

[2326] It depends on where you go.

[2327] Some places it just takes a few minutes.

[2328] Oh, really?

[2329] And if you know what you're doing.

[2330] I could do that.

[2331] Well, also, if you're using bait, right?

[2332] If you're in a pond and you're using bait, not that hard, man. You get a piece of worm, you put it on a hook, you have a bobber, you cast out, your kids will love it.

[2333] And the bobber's fun, too, because you see the bobber moving.

[2334] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2335] I did it.

[2336] My dad took me as like a kid.

[2337] It's just sort of like, I'm, I don't know, I just don't know that stuff.

[2338] Like, it is.

[2339] And we'll go out with my dad sometimes.

[2340] Using apples for bait.

[2341] Apples work great.

[2342] Oh.

[2343] Yeah, that's the thing.

[2344] I don't think they're put on the, like, hook right.

[2345] Apples were great for bait?

[2346] There's multiple sides saying it.

[2347] Really?

[2348] Yeah.

[2349] I wonder what you catch.

[2350] What kind of fish you catch with apples?

[2351] This one says catfish.

[2352] Oh, it makes sense.

[2353] They eat vegetables or they eat plant.

[2354] I don't know what type of fish these are.

[2355] These are probably like nasty, like fucking like.

[2356] Maybe they're not.

[2357] Maybe you're judgmental.

[2358] They're small though.

[2359] Sunfish.

[2360] They're probably sunfish.

[2361] Yeah.

[2362] I think if you saw this body of water, you would probably think they were nasty fish.

[2363] There's a crazy video on Tim Kennedy's Institute.

[2364] gram of this guy going fishing let me see if I can find it I'll send it to you Jamie maybe you can find it it's the guy's fishing and as he's fishing a fucking and it's not a big place fucking enormous catfish comes up and grabs the lure I mean it looks like the catfish is seven feet long and like 250 300 pounds it's so big catfish are crazy and the people like grab them or whatever those I've seen some of those videos on like TikTok and it's called noodling oh my god that is just like insane they're just like going into the mud and like just like picking up the fucking fish well it's more wild than that because they let their hands in there and they're basically like finding these holes where the catfish are burrowed into and they're feeling around and sometimes they get their hand in there and a snapping turtles in there and they lose fingers oh Jesus Christ I didn't know that was like a fucking like risk of this shit hole please we'll show you some of that so first thing I want you to do is pull up that fishing video you got it I'm not found it you not found it I'll find it I'll find it real quick would you ever do something like that oh no I'm not interested in that I'm not interested in losing fingers that definitely I didn't realize that was like maybe I have some Kevlar gloves maybe I have some Kevlar gloves they've got to have like gloves or some like special thing they can like wear something to like protect their hands I'm assuming I would hope Where are they doing this?

[2365] No, they don't do that.

[2366] They just get their fucking hand in there.

[2367] Okay, well, that's...

[2368] They just do it.

[2369] I don't think...

[2370] Where are they doing this in, like, Missouri or Louisiana or some shit?

[2371] All over the place.

[2372] The South, for sure.

[2373] Did he remove it from his Instagram?

[2374] See how long it was this is.

[2375] What's today's date?

[2376] Yeah, I got back pretty far and didn't see anything.

[2377] I don't think it's that far.

[2378] So I assume...

[2379] Today is December.

[2380] September 7th, 13th, 13th?

[2381] You were quite, I can't think, you're quite off, you were quite off.

[2382] I think you're talking talk at the same time.

[2383] Let me find this fucking.

[2384] It's a video of what now?

[2385] It's a video of a catfish.

[2386] Oh, that he like grabbed?

[2387] Yeah.

[2388] I know I sent it to someone, but I can't remember who.

[2389] Oh, I know I sent it to my friend Cam.

[2390] Hold on.

[2391] Hope, please.

[2392] Yeah, we used to go, like, as a kid, my dad.

[2393] would take us very occasionally and my grandpa would like take us and i think we were catching like perch or something like that and michigan and like wisconsin but it's definitely been a while well it's one of those things i mean if you want to do it it's here i found it i'll send it to you jimmy why didn't it do that hold on oh it's been removed that's why's why it's why Huh.

[2394] Thanks, Obama.

[2395] Catfish steals.

[2396] No, look, you could see it in the window, but you can't click on it.

[2397] For whatever reason, you can still see it in my phone in the window.

[2398] It's not helping everybody else.

[2399] Oh, my God.

[2400] Yeah, exactly.

[2401] What the fuck?

[2402] What the fuck?

[2403] It's so big.

[2404] Yeah.

[2405] It's like a fucking, like, Jesus Christ, that is massive.

[2406] That's like a fucking horror film shit.

[2407] Oh, my God.

[2408] That's a big.

[2409] catfish it's crazy huge Wow isn't it weird Jamie that you can still see it on my phone in the window But then when you click on it it looks like the link It says the video no it says it's been removed Maybe it was removed and that's just a cash version of it It must be That's crazy that is no fucking joke But it's annoying Because when I click on it I get this Nothing Yeah that is Fucking technology Somebody probably owns it Like an NFT That could be That could be Oh here it is Oh, here it is it.

[2410] This is it.

[2411] So watch this.

[2412] Karnah Fishing Family.

[2413] Watch this.

[2414] Boom.

[2415] Look at the size of that fucking thing.

[2416] Locked nest, monster, catfish.

[2417] So they got a viral video here.

[2418] Oh, so you know what it is?

[2419] They probably want everybody going to their Instagram page or their YouTube page.

[2420] So the YouTube page is Karnah Fishing Family.

[2421] And so they're catching.

[2422] What does it say they're catching?

[2423] Just catfish?

[2424] Yeah, it says locknest monster catfish.

[2425] Yeah, that's the...

[2426] name of the video but they're catching a bunch of catfish that's a smaller catfish and then somewhere along so they're catching some pretty good sized ones which is interesting because catfish generally speaking usually hunt with bait or you usually fish with bait usually that's a pretty big one right there back up so you can see yeah but what they're doing is using lures so these catfish must be active predators pretty cool but then in the end you see this fucking bonkers or one it's not that one that one's pretty big I'm not seeing it it's not in there unless they like baited it with that very first one again but I watched their long video maybe grow all the way to the back to the end right there what's that right there click there that's not it no no oh these fucks so it's not even in there it's somewhere but it's definitely at the beginning no oh there it is there it is the very beginning god so it's only at the very beginning so it's almost like it's not really there that is definitely crazy though whatever it's um large fish the end but do you have a desire to learn these things or do you just really fuck no why half asset yeah it's one of these things where it's well i feel bad because it's like my kid likes it like occasionally well you can hire somebody like a fishing guide and then they do all the work like kind of like go and do like deep sea fishing or something like that we'll do something like that's easy or you can they do it they have people that do that in freshwater fishing too yeah that'd be cool like I would like to like do those things because I find them like interesting to sort of like learn about these things that I know nothing about but it's sort of it's not something I am going to go do myself exactly but I like going on even like a hunting thing like that like I would never really go hunting myself but honestly i wouldn't mind going on a hunting like trip with somebody just to sort of like learn about it because it's so it's just something i know nothing about so it's like very interesting to me to learn this sort of like subculture and sort of like rituals and kind of like techniques behind it oh my kid caught jesus christ yeah that awesome that is you can't eat those though joke that is a it's as big as her that's huge yeah she was pretty pumped but They take those, oh, wait a minute, that is not a barracuda.

[2427] Is that a Wahoo?

[2428] Yeah, that's a Wahoo.

[2429] Where was that?

[2430] That's a Wahoo, sorry.

[2431] My other kid caught a barracuda.

[2432] That was in Hawaii.

[2433] The thing about the barracuda is you can't eat it.

[2434] So they would use it for bait to catch other fish.

[2435] Because barracuda, apparently, they eat so many fish that they're toxic.

[2436] Oh, really?

[2437] Oh, the mercury or whatever is so high.

[2438] I don't know if it's mercury.

[2439] I don't know what it is, but there's something about there's a possibility that's fairly high that you can get they're actually toxic okay i don't know why because most fishy fished fish so it's weird that like that one would be yeah i know i know i don't know that much about it i don't honestly eat fish that much but like i know some some have some mercury or some shit where if you eat too much that does happen with people that eat too much sushi if you get crazy you eat sushi all day every day you can get sick yeah yeah that's like and i don't know that much about it but yeah i'd like to like do stuff like that because it's it's definitely it's just a cool experience and it's sort of like i don't know are you overwhelmed time wise with uh this day -to -day commitment of producing art because you produce one piece every day and do you do everything solo this is a question that jami actually had do you have people that work for you that help you create these things yeah now we do um i definitely because i've been starting to build like physical things like this so my brother works with me now he was like a engineer at Boeing and he quit his job when this shit started blowing up like a year ago and so he's been like working with me and sort of like making like I don't know did you see that human one thing that I did it's like a big sort of like box that's like rotating with like a bunch of like screens on it yes I did see that so that pull that up Jamie that that is like a big like sort of like you know seven foot tall sort of like structure that that you know he engineered and we've got like a there it is pretty dope like 50 ,000 square.

[2440] square foot space in Charleston where we're building out like a gallery and building out all kinds of like crazy shit like fucking crazy robot shit and like yeah there's going to be some fucking weird shit dude we've got some like that's cool fucking crazy shit plan that sort of like again moving into the like sort of like physical realm to make like using technology to make art um that i don't think anybody else is going to make unless i do it nobody nobody else is like i need to make this fucking weirdo pervert shit so i feel like i'm the only one doing it it is weird or pervert shit do people just psychologically try to examine you like like what is wrong with you that's a funny thing that like people they bring so much and i'm sure it's no different with comedy that people bring so much of their own experience to this thing that they think they know what it means and it's sort of like you honestly a lot of the times i don't even fucking know what it means oh make something and it's like that's pretty fucked up and like even i'm kind of like I don't even know why the fuck I made it fully Right And for other people then to come in and be like This is exactly what it means It's like I don't even know what the fuck it means What the fuck are you talking about?

[2441] Like that's what happened in your life And you're interpreting it And just assuming a bunch of shit Like And a lot of the pieces are very sort of like ambiguous and they don't have a clear sort of Think this Don't think that sort of like message They're just more supposed to be like Just okay Hillary Clinton inside It's Donald Trump's body.

[2442] What does that mean?

[2443] I don't fucking know what that means.

[2444] Like that doesn't have like an inherent sort of like, oh, that means this.

[2445] Right.

[2446] If it is, I don't know what that is.

[2447] And so it is funny to see people like, this is exactly what he means by this and I'm pissed up.

[2448] But you can't pay attention to that.

[2449] But that's the thing about putting out art is it's going to be open to interpretation.

[2450] There's nothing you can do about that.

[2451] It's just.

[2452] Yeah.

[2453] And to me, it's sort of like it is what it is.

[2454] And like it doesn't really like bother.

[2455] me and sort of like I recognize that I'm not trying to offend people I'm not trying to hurt people creating art I'm just trying to like sort of like do what say what I want to say and I very very sincerely hope it brightens people's days like why would I want to piss people off does it do people say things that make you think that it pisses people off oh it definitely pisses a lot of people off when I make fun of Trump that pisses a shit load of people off and when I make fun of like you know what that's like the other side too it pisses people off Or when I post some sexual thing, people think they know what it means and it pisses them off and they think they're interpreting all this shit.

[2456] And it's like, guys, it's just a bunch of dicks.

[2457] I don't know what you've known me. Like, what are you talking about?

[2458] Like, it's just a bunch of fucking dicks.

[2459] I just made some dicks.

[2460] Like, we don't need to like, there's no way you could know what that means.

[2461] I don't even fucking know what it means.

[2462] Just a bunch of techno dicks.

[2463] But isn't it funny, though, that people want to look into it and decide.

[2464] who you are and what you mean and have all these value judgments based on your art and it's sort of like it's very bizarre because it's like they'll say things about me and it's like it's this I'm sure you experience the same thing it feels like out of body where it's like that's not me who the fuck are you even talking about if I can help you with that you can't worry about what other people think about you you could kind of take it in a little bit and try to think maybe there's the venom the venom yeah maybe I'm also putting something out there in a way that people are getting a negative impression of me or the wrong impression of me but a lot of those people are just choosing to do that there's some people that choose the least charitable interpretation of everything you do no matter what 100 % you have to realize that most of what that is is people judging you at scale right because what do you mean at scale there's so many people oh yeah yeah yeah just because there's so many people a certain percentage of them will always not like you right yeah 100 % I've kind of accepted that, that it's sort of like, okay, if you have a, you know, a million people love you, there's going to be 10 ,000 people that fucking hate you, period, that's it.

[2465] Well, especially now when they know that you're ridiculously wealthy from this stuff and that all these crazy things that you've generated are now very popular, and then they can hate you because they knew you when they, you know, you were nothing or when you were unknown.

[2466] People love tearing down someone who they used to love, too.

[2467] That's a weird thing.

[2468] They love, you're going to get artists for sure that now look at you and your success and they're angry at your success.

[2469] And so then they'll say that you're contributing to the patriarchy or contributing to the fucking, you know, the disgusting upper class that's ruling the earth and you're mocking things with humor that really should be, you should be an activist and you should be doing what you're doing.

[2470] But this is just what comes with volume.

[2471] Yeah.

[2472] You have millions and millions of people paying attention to your stuff now.

[2473] Yeah.

[2474] And it's something that I've had to deal with with this show.

[2475] It's something that I've had to deal with just life in general.

[2476] There's just a certain amount of people.

[2477] The thing is, do the reasonable people who are intelligent and kind and have a charitable sense of the world, do they have a problem with what you're doing?

[2478] Most of them don't.

[2479] Most of the people who, like myself, look at your stuff and go, this is crazy.

[2480] What the fuck is he doing?

[2481] and they think it's cool, and I look at your stuff, and I think this guy's really interesting and creative, and I was looking forward to meeting you.

[2482] I was like, this guy's got to be a wacko, and you are.

[2483] Look at you.

[2484] Look at you.

[2485] In the best sense.

[2486] I appreciate that.

[2487] I appreciate that.

[2488] People who look and to get upset too much, and to those people, I say, go outside and exercise.

[2489] Please, please, just do something that blows off that steam.

[2490] There's more productive ways of using your time than get really angry at someone that makes art. 100 % and that's the thing that it's sort of like when I see people getting you know sort of attacking artists or attacking comedians or this or that and it's sort of like there's so much worse shit going on in the world like that it's sort of like yeah I don't know like especially when a lot of times these people are are trying to make the world a better place it's sort of like they have very good intentions and sort of like my intentions are very good with this I'm really trying to like brighten people's day and sort of like you know know, sort of brighten the world and sort of push things forward and, and, you know, kind of make it a better place and sort of, I don't know.

[2491] It's like we were saying earlier about stand -up, but the exchange is really beautiful.

[2492] Like you, they come out to see you, you do all the work necessary to put on a show and they have a good time, and it's a great exchange.

[2493] Yeah.

[2494] And the same thing with podcasts, it's a great exchange.

[2495] You do your best, and then they enjoy it, and it becomes a part of their commute or their workout, you know, they're listening to you, and it's entertainment.

[2496] Yeah.

[2497] That's a great exchange.

[2498] And that's how a lot of people are going to see it.

[2499] But there's always going to be people that are upset that you don't share their ideology or there's always going to be people upset because they take the least charitable position or the least charitable interpretation of your position.

[2500] Yeah.

[2501] Just life, baby.

[2502] You got to just accept the fact now that you're big time, you're going to have a lot of haters.

[2503] It's definitely, and it's honestly something that doesn't bother me because I know my intentions with this artwork.

[2504] And I know my intention is not to hurt people with it.

[2505] It's not to offend people.

[2506] It's always to brighten people's days or...

[2507] The people that are getting offended are the idiots.

[2508] They're just idiots.

[2509] If they're getting offended at your stuff, if they either enjoy it or they don't.

[2510] That's it.

[2511] If you're getting offended and upset by it, go look in a fucking mirror.

[2512] What's wrong with you?

[2513] That's the thing.

[2514] I can see how people could get offended by it because, like, some of it could be offensive.

[2515] The dicks.

[2516] The dicks, whatever.

[2517] Like, yeah, it's dicks.

[2518] It's like, but sometimes people are offended by swearing.

[2519] and it's sort of like offended by dicks is that really bother you well they're no it doesn't bother me they're very jizzy dicks they are jizzy dicks they are jizzy dicks this guy knows that I don't think I've ever heard that expression before I think I made that expression they're pretty jizzy dicks they are pretty have you ever heard the expression jizzy dicks you know I haven't but it is accurate I will say it's a there it is hello hello like I can see like how you could be offended by this and it's sort of like I get that that's my hope and dream but it's one of these things where i didn't do this to offend it this like this was sort of like imagining if donald trump like in the future no like he was like forced like a machine that was like forced to keep giving birth to like babies but he kept the baby's Hillary but the baby is Hillary and the baby kept kept kept coming out all fucked up like and so he's continuing to have to like give birth to these like fucked up like deformed babies is it because he only thinks about Hillary that's Hillary's on his brain constantly it's more just like humans have like like we've got a super fucked up political sort of like system where it's sort of like that it's like kind of like all i like that other one with the cheeseburger in the middle of his brain you slice his brain open there's a cheeseburger in there so this is kind of like assuming we've got these like machines in the future that are like out in the middle of the field that are sort of like processing food and like feeding it to pigs and it kind of like slowly closes the on this like you put in like a cheeseburger and it slowly comes out as food for like pigs over like a course of like a long period of time so definitely there's quite a bit of fucked up shit and I can see how you could be like offended by that Trump versus Biden in a boxing match so this is like right after the the first debate debate yeah oh my god look how obese you made Trump and sexless that's what I love naked and genderless well and that's the thing too like a lot of times I will sort of like if you look at the one next to where it's got like this Kim Jong -un and sort of like thing.

[2520] These are my favorite.

[2521] Like what the fuck is that?

[2522] But that's the thing.

[2523] And sort of like trying to play with like gender in like this weird way that even I don't understand because that is such a like prevalent theme in society right now.

[2524] Gender is something that we spend a lot of time talking about.

[2525] And so with pictures like that it's part of it.

[2526] But it's part of it in a way that honestly even I don't even understand what it means.

[2527] It's just sort of like.

[2528] Right.

[2529] Like here's a like mixing and match.

[2530] a bunch of sort of like genders and sort of like how does this make you feel i don't know like how does it make me feel i don't know well you know that's what douglas murray who's a british intellectual very fascinating guy he he said on my podcast it's a really interesting point he said whenever civilizations are crumbling they become obsessed with gender said it happened in ancient greece ancient rome it's very interesting yeah they men become women women become men they swapped roles in places that happened in like rome yeah yeah they became obsessed with gender and it becomes a theme and I'm like why do you think that is and I don't think you had a clear reason but I think the idea is that they they just start dissolving all of the predetermined boundaries that we set out for our society because almost like things are we become so strange it's definitely that doesn't bode well for us that does not bode well for us Well, unless we like that future.

[2531] That's our future.

[2532] That's our future.

[2533] Well, listen, man, we just did three hours, believe it or not.

[2534] Jesus Christ, you're serious?

[2535] Oh, my God, what the fuck?

[2536] Time flies, bro.

[2537] Jesus Christ.

[2538] Thank you very much for this thing.

[2539] What would I call this?

[2540] This piece of art. Artwork.

[2541] This piece of artwork.

[2542] It's fucking dope.

[2543] And the underwear.

[2544] I hope you enjoyed the scotch.

[2545] Yeah, dude.

[2546] Thank you for having me. Super, super, super appreciate it, man. Like, such a huge fan.

[2547] I'm a huge fan of you as well.

[2548] Tell people your website where they could go, and it's Beeple Crap.

[2549] People underscore Crap?

[2550] What is it?

[2551] People, yeah.

[2552] Beeple, I think it's Beeple -Dash crap.

[2553] People -Dash crap.

[2554] It's people underscore crap on Instagram, and I think it's Beeple -Dash crap is the website.

[2555] Maybe you just Google Beeple.

[2556] You'll find some fucking gross shit.

[2557] Not at work.

[2558] Don't do it at work.

[2559] Don't get fired because of me. Don't get fired because of him or me. I got to do my disclaimer.

[2560] Thank you very much, man. I really had a good time.

[2561] Thank you.

[2562] Bye, everybody.

[2563] Thank you.