Emilia Clarke

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[1] Welcome to armchair expert.

[2] Oh, boy.

[3] What an exciting day.

[4] The queen.

[5] The mother of dragons.

[6] That's right.

[7] DeNaris Targaryen.

[8] The Cleesey.

[9] Oh, you love saying that.

[10] She's here.

[11] She's here.

[12] Amelia Clark.

[13] Oh, my goodness.

[14] What a treat.

[15] She was in Game of Thrones, as you know, solo, me before you terminate Genesis, and her new movie Last Christmas, which is in theaters now.

[16] What a fun hang.

[17] Yeah, we get to talk a lot about Game of Thrones.

[18] This is the most we've ever geeked out about someone's actual show they were on.

[19] Yeah, that's true.

[20] Oh, did we have some questions?

[21] And you're going to hear the answers.

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[26] He's an object for fun.

[27] He's an option to be.

[28] I do feel very honored to be in this room.

[29] Thank you.

[30] We're very honored.

[31] Would you like to use the open door restroom?

[32] Oh, I'm...

[33] You should do it.

[34] I'm good.

[35] That's wow, I didn't realize.

[36] That really is.

[37] It's excellent.

[38] It's very open.

[39] You all are very close.

[40] Very.

[41] Too close, some would say.

[42] Okay.

[43] We should tell people that it's been about 10 or 15 minutes.

[44] First of all, Amelia was early, which is embarrassing, because we were just barely on time.

[45] Yeah, yeah.

[46] And then I got really excited to show her in my tank top, which I've already shown her, which is, that's what's embarrassing.

[47] This is like the second time I've wheeled this out for you.

[48] And then my mic stand just completely broken half.

[49] Shattered to pieces.

[50] Oh my God.

[51] I think I'm so nervous.

[52] We don't be.

[53] Really, don't be.

[54] I'm really, don't be.

[55] No, no, no. You're our queen.

[56] A hallowed space.

[57] You're our goddamn queen.

[58] We're going to celebrate the shit out of you.

[59] Does it make you uncomfortable to be celebrated?

[60] Maybe my nervous laughter is sort of saying everything you need to do it.

[61] Yeah, like when people give you compliments.

[62] It's hard, right?

[63] Yes, yes, I'm crap at taking compliments.

[64] I really, really like it when people are just, like, honest to a fault and it's negative.

[65] I'm like, I know what to do with that.

[66] I don't know what to do with, praise.

[67] Well, here's what I always say to Monica, if someone goes like, oh, my God, you were so great.

[68] And I go, oh, thank you.

[69] To me, that sounds like I'm saying I agree with you.

[70] Totally.

[71] That's it.

[72] So then you don't know what to do, so you just go.

[73] Yeah.

[74] Or you have to exhaust them by going like, oh, my.

[75] self -image isn't that high and I don't think I was that great but I really appreciate you thinking that because I do want your approval which is like way too much for them you should just say thank you they'll be happy to take in that that they had a moment well it depends on the person as well though because I feel like sometimes you get people where you go thanks I'm just gonna swallow the fact that I think you think that I'm good as well and we're just going to walk away and it's done thank you so much lovely to meet you and then there are some people where you're like yeah well the thing is I'm not And I value you saying that you think I'm great, but let's just lay our cards out.

[76] I'm not.

[77] You think I am.

[78] We disagree.

[79] Who have you gotten a compliment from where you were like, oh, my God, I got to check my heart rate?

[80] Quite early, like season three, I was in the ladies' restroom at an award thing, like a women's award thing.

[81] I can't remember what it was.

[82] And Marion Qatar came up to me and said something.

[83] And I mean, she left.

[84] I think I fainted.

[85] I couldn't handle what she was saying.

[86] and she was so beautiful and French about it.

[87] Oh, and fun dreams.

[88] And like real and oh my God.

[89] And then I just, I'm done.

[90] I can leave.

[91] I can leave the planet.

[92] Yeah, exactly.

[93] And that's what I needed.

[94] But I think Kristen got a pretty impassioned aside from her as well.

[95] And it left Kristen disheveled and all fucked up.

[96] Exactly.

[97] Because she says it with this like, she just has this gaze.

[98] And you're like, oh my God, being under the weight of that gaze is just the most magical experience of my life.

[99] Yeah.

[100] So yeah.

[101] And you're in the very, very unique position where literally every single person watches your show.

[102] Like at best you're going, like if you're in a movie, even at the movie's like a runaway hit, the odds are still 70 % of the people, your peers aren't going out to the movie to see it.

[103] We did, you know, whatever.

[104] Every single human I know in this business watches Game of Thrones.

[105] Well, so many of my friends don't.

[106] Oh, that's healthy.

[107] Yeah.

[108] So it's kind of nice in there.

[109] And because I really am a Londoner.

[110] I'm based in London.

[111] I'm here much more.

[112] But when I am here, it's just a different environment of people that's saying stuff to me. So you kind of take it in different ways.

[113] But having your close circuit of friends not really.

[114] Yeah.

[115] It's healthy.

[116] It's healthy and it's lovely.

[117] But I am worried that your friendship circle in London has shitty tastes.

[118] Me too.

[119] Why aren't they watching the game of throne?

[120] Yeah.

[121] I don't know.

[122] Because they couldn't afford it.

[123] Well, now that makes sense.

[124] But if I meet someone that's like, Game of Thrones, I'm done listening for the rest of eternity.

[125] Can't take what they have to say seriously.

[126] No, you really can.

[127] I actually go into total disbelief where I go, well, you didn't give it a shot, did you?

[128] You must have been distracted or were you on your phone?

[129] Did you watch three episodes?

[130] I go into this kind of prosecutorial.

[131] Oh, very nice.

[132] I don't think that's the real word, but you know what I'm saying.

[133] It sounds like a real word.

[134] them.

[135] Yeah, I lawyer them and I'm upset.

[136] Now, do you find Americans charming the way we find y 'all British charming?

[137] Well, yeah, definitely.

[138] You do?

[139] Yeah, for sure.

[140] Are you sure?

[141] Well, yeah, that's the right answer, yeah.

[142] That's right.

[143] Good, good, good, good, good.

[144] I think it's just a different it's a different thing.

[145] We're not.

[146] It's okay, we're just not.

[147] No, we're not.

[148] We dress like shit.

[149] Yeah.

[150] We go to countries and we're so fucking loud.

[151] Like, I'll be, I remember, Kristen, I did a movie in Italy and we were in Rome and we were watching these families like at these outdoor cafes and there was like people with 11 kids and everyone was just trashing the place and I was a little bit like, oh yeah, yeah, we need to clean it up a little bit.

[152] And then you started singing a Italian song.

[153] A cliche Italian song.

[154] That's what Americans do too.

[155] I think that's flattering.

[156] But okay, agree to disagree.

[157] But is the accent at all charming?

[158] I weirdly have a thing for a Boston accent, which Americans think is really weird.

[159] But I'm like, no. there's something super hot about a Boston accent.

[160] I don't know what it is.

[161] Wow.

[162] Did that start with...

[163] Ben and Matt?

[164] I probably.

[165] Yeah.

[166] I think...

[167] Do you like Ben and Matt?

[168] Do I?

[169] Goodwill Hunting.

[170] Are you kidding me?

[171] I think I know off by heart.

[172] Oh.

[173] I literally think I know it off by heart.

[174] That's me. I know.

[175] It's not your fault.

[176] Oh.

[177] It's not your fault.

[178] What a scene.

[179] You guys, let me catch you up to speed.

[180] You're both 32.

[181] Not for long for you.

[182] I know.

[183] You'll be 33 next.

[184] month.

[185] So you're both 32.

[186] Mm -hmm.

[187] We both love good one.

[188] Are you ready to have your fucking mind -blower?

[189] Yeah.

[190] Amelia's 12 .5 % Indian.

[191] This is true.

[192] Whoa.

[193] This is really true.

[194] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[195] This is Dax's dream.

[196] He wishes he had a little bit of Indian.

[197] I'm just the proudest part of me. Wow.

[198] What is the thing I'm most round of?

[199] Where I see it?

[200] Can I tell you where I see it?

[201] Tell me. And this was a big fight Monica and I got in this weekend.

[202] Okay.

[203] Yes.

[204] I love round.

[205] features now hold on before that triggers you because it really triggered monica right nobody really wants to hear that but okay go on when i say that i mean your eyes are so big and round thank you they're so cute and then your nose is kind of roundish right and i i took her down a path of showing her all the prettiest people i thought when i was saying round features ashley olson yes you you're in there thank you Look at Monica's eyes.

[206] They're so big.

[207] Well, okay, but eyes is not round features, right?

[208] When you hear round features, do you think of eyes?

[209] You think of like the shape of the face, nose.

[210] He was talking about lips and eyes, which is not right.

[211] Right.

[212] I see the disconnect between you.

[213] I totally get what you're saying.

[214] Okay, good.

[215] I totally get what you're saying, Monica.

[216] So one of my best mates is this amazing human being called David.

[217] and he always used to say exactly what you're saying, but he would call it Bush Baby.

[218] Oh.

[219] He was like, you got the Bush Baby thing.

[220] The little primate Bush Baby?

[221] Which is, yeah, which is what you would call round features.

[222] And he's like, I know that you're not all English.

[223] I was at drama school with him and like our first day.

[224] He was like, there's something else in there.

[225] And I was like, that's really weird.

[226] But at that time, did you know that?

[227] I'm pretty white.

[228] Yeah, at the time that I did know that.

[229] And it was amazing to me that he saw it in me. I was tempted to bring everyone up to speed, but you should do it because you're the guest.

[230] Why are you 12 .5 % Indian?

[231] I'm 12 .5 % Indian because my grandmother was half Indian.

[232] Her mother had an affair.

[233] Yes.

[234] Well, we don't even, so she was born in Colonial India.

[235] So she was born and raised in Delhi.

[236] They were second generation Anglo -Indian in India.

[237] So we don't even know if it was that her dad had an affair.

[238] And she was the youngest of 14.

[239] This was like back in the day.

[240] Sure.

[241] And so we have no idea as to exactly her lineage into whether it's Sri Lankan or whether it's Indian or Pakistani or whatever it is.

[242] We're not sure.

[243] Well, just what I had read, which obviously is not known, is that it was your great -grandmother had an affair with an Indian gentleman, which I found to be even more exciting.

[244] I don't know why.

[245] I felt like that flips the script.

[246] But now we're like, well, I mean, it could be anything because she was, she looked completely different to the rest of her brothers and sisters.

[247] There were 14 of them all together And she looked completely different They were all White as hell Yeah, pretty much Yeah, it's called She had makeup imported To make her skin whiter In shame She got married into an abusive marriage It was like This whole thing And then met my granddad And they eloped To London to get married Oh So he was an expat as well Or he was a So he was in station He was in the RIF When they met in Delhi Oh And they used to dance To Good Night Sweetheart At Wenger at Wenger's Club Like every night, it was like on this whole Victorian romance.

[248] When they made the way back to London, what jobs did they get?

[249] Well, so they were on their way back to London.

[250] War was declared.

[251] World War II was declared.

[252] They went to Africa where my grandmother stayed and my granddad went off to fight the Japanese.

[253] And when he eventually came back, my mom was born and she kept getting malaria.

[254] So they had to leave in London.

[255] They left.

[256] My grandma had been cut out of her family essentially, so she had nothing.

[257] my granddad had to leave the RF early so he had nothing so they then went and lived in West Hampstead in complete poverty oh boy my mom was raised in that right like they would have been the staff at Downton Abbey right there you go there you go yeah what if I had zero context to England other than the shows I read I mean not like that sort of that it's that it's it's it's it's that world that you're kind of playing and my grandma used to go and clean rich people's houses oh so I mean I just bowled yeah yeah we were I was.

[258] There you go.

[259] Sorry back around.

[260] That's kind of a regular pattern around here.

[261] Your father was a sound engineer?

[262] Yes, sound designer.

[263] Yeah.

[264] Sound designer.

[265] In theater, yeah?

[266] Yeah.

[267] Yeah.

[268] You say that word, please, for me. Theater?

[269] Thank you.

[270] Correct.

[271] Okay.

[272] Okay.

[273] I just thought I got...

[274] No, you have the cute American thing.

[275] It's nice.

[276] Oh, my.

[277] There you go.

[278] Don't lump all of us Americans in with that.

[279] I was hoping maybe I was, she was going to say it the same way.

[280] I know.

[281] You were.

[282] Like hoity tooty over you.

[283] And then, mom.

[284] mom is like a is a big wig yeah yeah so she was a big business and she was working my god my mom worked like from 16 sort of thing she just killed it she has one of these jobs that you read the title and you're like well I know all the words in that title right when I put them together that doesn't make any sense to me so can I read it to you yes she was the vice president of marketing at a global management consulting firm like all those words I get it yeah but global management consulting firm so did she go to ailing companies and go here's what you guys are you guys got to do you got a fucking can i tell you a secret you don't know i know none of us know i mean i know i know what the vice president of marketing sounds like i know what that is and i know what she she did she went from revelin she did all of these different things like she was in that world but largely in marketing for all of it and i understand what that does she'll listen to this and be cringing and going amelia you have no idea what you're talking about none of us know what our parents do it's a theme it's a theme most people don't he does but most people don't yeah so i've got an idea Yeah.

[285] She's a big boss.

[286] She worked a ton, obviously.

[287] Yeah.

[288] You were born 86.

[289] Mm -hmm.

[290] Had she already been on that path of that career by 1986?

[291] Because you have an older brother?

[292] Yes, I do.

[293] I do.

[294] I have an older brother.

[295] Yeah.

[296] So she was, at that point, she had her own company and was doing all of that as well.

[297] And why is she such a baller?

[298] She just is.

[299] She just is.

[300] She's got the ability to have a team of people around her and be maternal in that sense of like taking care of.

[301] people, but also expecting the best, and then manifesting that into really good work.

[302] In the 80s, being a female business owner, you know, it was dicey.

[303] Like, I watched a lot of weird stuff where I mean, my mother put up with crazy shit by today's standards.

[304] Was England rough that way?

[305] Well, that's it.

[306] Yeah, 100%.

[307] And she was a part of lots of different companies that were American companies, or French companies, or they were Swiss or whatever it was.

[308] And she worked in a bunch of different capacities in that sense.

[309] But now the saddest thing is, she now is working with my charity, which is wonderful.

[310] So she's now doing that.

[311] When she stopped, we're not allowed to use the R word.

[312] Oh, right, right, right, right.

[313] We can't say that.

[314] I don't like it out there.

[315] No, I don't like it either.

[316] Well, the R word here is different in the U .S. What?

[317] What?

[318] R -E -T -A -R -D -D.

[319] That's what we call the R -word.

[320] What are you?

[321] What's the R -word you're saying?

[322] Retirement.

[323] So I knew you were out to lunch on there.

[324] I was like, yeah, none of us like that word.

[325] Because basically she just said, my mom is the R world.

[326] No, I thought.

[327] No, no, no. Okay.

[328] Well, I didn't know.

[329] Excellent.

[330] What?

[331] Amazing.

[332] Well, we spiraled out for a second.

[333] But we're back.

[334] We bring it back.

[335] Close in translation.

[336] I was raised by the N -word and we're like, the N -word.

[337] Nanny.

[338] Yeah, okay.

[339] Oh, wow.

[340] That was a fun missus.

[341] That was, yeah, my stomach flipped.

[342] So, yeah, she technically retired.

[343] And then in that moment, we got to look back.

[344] It was heartbreaking because I was like, you were literally paid a quarter of what you should have been paid.

[345] Yeah.

[346] Like you were treated in the most astonishingly terrible way.

[347] Yeah.

[348] As a woman.

[349] Mom had no idea.

[350] She just was working the whole time.

[351] Well, the bar was so low, and I'm sure by comparison, it was a notch up from the 70s.

[352] So you're kind of like, oh, I guess it got a little better.

[353] I can actually have a title.

[354] Well, exactly.

[355] I mean, there were times when it's like you would be fired for locking the door and pumping to breastfeed.

[356] And then you'd be fired for that.

[357] That's not allowed then.

[358] But so, yeah, she was amazing for what she managed to do, but it's sad looking back and seeing how undervalued she was.

[359] And then as she got older, there's the ages thing comes in there as well.

[360] Of course.

[361] All that stuff.

[362] Also, I just have to imagine such a huge chunk of her identity was that job, as we all make our jobs, our identity, right?

[363] And she loves working.

[364] Right.

[365] Which is why she's now killing it in my charity.

[366] Oh, good.

[367] That's great.

[368] Appreciated and valued and, like, doing amazing work and way more technically savvy than I am.

[369] And so was dad, I'm sure his hours were more flexible.

[370] On tour.

[371] Oh, he would go on tour.

[372] Mom worked, like, 18 hour days.

[373] as if they were nothing and like travel to Europe like three times a week sort of thing.

[374] And my dad would be on tour or he'd be at home.

[375] Oh my, who was raising you?

[376] And then occasionally you would.

[377] The N -word.

[378] No, well, I mean, they, we had opairs a little bit.

[379] Uh -huh.

[380] And then my grandparents lived with us.

[381] So we kind of had constant daycare there.

[382] That's helpful.

[383] And then my brother and I both went to boarding school as well.

[384] But my mom didn't ever want me to go to boarding school.

[385] I just really wanted to go because I was like, it was like, really fun.

[386] My brother's going.

[387] It's going to be fun.

[388] Did you just want to do whatever he did?

[389] Pretty much.

[390] And also, like, stay with your friends all day, every day.

[391] But, like, weeks on end, that sounds great.

[392] So now, to me, it also sounds a little lonely.

[393] Well, I mean, you're staying in these boarding houses.

[394] So until you are 17, you're in a room with four other girls.

[395] Okay, I guess that's not a long way.

[396] But it's a mix, yeah.

[397] I mean, I was 13 when I went to boarding school.

[398] My parents didn't want me to go.

[399] It was a very, very good school.

[400] ridiculous money.

[401] My parents were still paying off our school fees when we were like 30.

[402] Yeah.

[403] Well, you went to a couple different saint something schools.

[404] Yes, I did.

[405] Yeah, yeah.

[406] Yeah.

[407] St. Anthony, is that in there?

[408] Bryce and Anthony, yeah.

[409] So I went there.

[410] That was a Catholic school.

[411] We weren't Catholic, but it was the best school for me to go to.

[412] And I wasn't smart enough to get into Oxford Girls High School, which is like a feeder for Oxbridge.

[413] That kind of stuff.

[414] I was not there.

[415] Right.

[416] So I went to a nice school.

[417] Was it separated sexes?

[418] Rice Nanti was a girl's school.

[419] Uh -huh.

[420] St. Edwards, where I went with the boarding school with my brother was mixed.

[421] Oh, it was.

[422] That was fun.

[423] That was fun.

[424] Imagine being like a 13 -year -old.

[425] I could stay?

[426] Yeah.

[427] I could save my pals and there's boys there as well.

[428] Oh, my God.

[429] Yeah.

[430] Was it like Hogwarts?

[431] Exactly.

[432] Yeah.

[433] No, it really did.

[434] Our calls looked very hogwarty and real.

[435] Oh, my God.

[436] No floating candles, unfortunately.

[437] Unfortunately.

[438] But still cool.

[439] I was just thinking yesterday, I'm going to reread.

[440] Yeah.

[441] I'm going to reread.

[442] I came to Harry Potter really late.

[443] You did?

[444] Yeah.

[445] And I only listened to them, Stephen Frye, reading them.

[446] Does he do a good job?

[447] Oh, my God, yes.

[448] Oh, really?

[449] I love Stephen Fry.

[450] Now, could you, in this co -ed situation, could you guys, like, sneak off and meet behind a tree or anything, where they're, like, hiding spots to do some kissing?

[451] There were!

[452] Yes.

[453] So fun.

[454] Yes.

[455] You could be expelled first.

[456] having sex, though.

[457] Okay, but everything...

[458] But if you lock that, don't...

[459] Yeah, you turn the breast pump on so they thought you were doing something else.

[460] There you go, then you're done, and you're sorted, yeah.

[461] They were sneaking around and stuff.

[462] All that stuff.

[463] Oh, God, that sounds fun.

[464] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[465] We would sneak out.

[466] We would get the milk float home.

[467] The boys were not allowed in the girls' common room.

[468] So when there are boarding houses, you'd have all the rooms and you'd have a shared kitchen and a common room, which had the TV and you could chill there.

[469] Boys were not allowed in the girls.

[470] common room, but girls were allowed in the boys' houses common rooms.

[471] So interesting.

[472] Yeah.

[473] That's interesting.

[474] Yeah.

[475] We snuck a boy in on our last night.

[476] You did.

[477] Yeah.

[478] He was drunk and asleep.

[479] And it was like, oh, there's a boy in the house.

[480] Oh, that's the other bizarre thing for us, too, is what age can you drink there?

[481] 17, 16?

[482] 18.

[483] I had to think about that.

[484] Because I was drinking before I was 18.

[485] But yes, 18.

[486] But it's real.

[487] It's way more laxier, right?

[488] Even if you're not 18.

[489] My dad would get me, do you know what Bacardi breezes are?

[490] Sure.

[491] Sure.

[492] Yeah.

[493] He would get me Bacardi breezes are.

[494] from like 15 to have with dinner so then you can like learn how to do it correctly well there you go yeah we'd have like a lovely meal that'd have a glass of wine and have like a pineapple bagardi freezer oh this sounds lovely i know what a life yeah it made drinking because at school as well you had something called the junior common room which is where on a Saturday from 17 you could drink on school premises but only a certain amount of alcohol content so you would have these wK B .K .D. Blue drinks.

[495] So on the way back to their boarding houses, you would just see, like, blue vomit everywhere because people obviously, and like beer of a low percentage.

[496] Oh, okay.

[497] But people still couldn't handle it.

[498] If there's peeve it.

[499] No, so we would have something, I'm literally, this sounds like the weirdest life ever.

[500] No, I love that.

[501] Remembering one of it.

[502] We're so jealous.

[503] You'd have cheese and biscuits on a Saturday night.

[504] So after you'd been out, so what we would actually do is we would go into the town and get genuinely drunk in a genuine bar.

[505] Got it.

[506] Got it.

[507] And then go back to.

[508] to the boarding house and then we'd have cheese and biscuits with our house mistress who'd suss out if you were drunk or not.

[509] And if you were, I'm going to say a word to you that makes no sense to most people anywhere.

[510] Super house gated.

[511] Super house gated.

[512] Which basically means grounded, but you're not allowed in your own common room.

[513] You have to wear your school uniform all day.

[514] You have to check in with the vice principal at like 7 a .m. It's a whole thing.

[515] And if you're drunk, then that happens.

[516] But if you manage to just eat enough bread before going into cheese and biscuits to prove to you heard that you're not drunk, then you're fine.

[517] Did you ever get super housegated?

[518] I never got super housegated.

[519] I have no idea how I managed to like slip under the other.

[520] Good for you.

[521] But yeah.

[522] Well, it was probably the seeds of your acting.

[523] Could be.

[524] That's right.

[525] Could be.

[526] Yeah.

[527] So you can weigh in now because we've had this longstanding kind of debate.

[528] Yeah, it's not even a debate because I don't think you're blatantly disagreeing with me. It's just an inquiry.

[529] It's a longstanding inquiry about an inordinate amount of English.

[530] women became pregnant by American GIs during World War II that were stationed in England.

[531] Right.

[532] But proportionally, the same amount of American women did not become pregnant from English guys.

[533] Right.

[534] In fact, drastically lower.

[535] Okay.

[536] And I read this paper in anthropology that we cannot find, whatever, that explained it that culturally in America, the woman has the brakes.

[537] Uh -huh.

[538] And the man has the gas pedal.

[539] Uh -huh.

[540] And that in England, basically the man is supposed to say, no, let's wait.

[541] and has the brake pedal and the woman's on the gas.

[542] Interesting.

[543] And so we've had a few different English guests on where we've asked them to kind of, do you think you could even evaluate the difference between courtship in Britain and in America?

[544] Do you think women are instigating more?

[545] It's really interesting, right?

[546] Because I dated in America, the first American I dated, he introduced me to this term of exclusivity.

[547] Oh.

[548] And I don't know whether it was because I was young or if I was going to as English, but I was like, what do you mean you are having sex with other people it doesn't make sense to me I thought that we were in a thing and we were doing the thing and that was the thing and it was just us what do you mean that that you're not right that means you feel weird and uncomfortable and strange and that's very odd yeah that he had a transition into exclusivity so I feel like there is a way that you date in America that is different from the way that you would date in England and I don't know whether it's just like the globally everyone's changing all that stuff like Tinder or whether that kind of plays into what you're saying of the dynamic between the man and the woman in England and then a man in America, any romantic relationship of any capacity on either side.

[549] But when you were younger, right, and you would be behind that oak tree at Hogwarts and you got you were kissing a boy.

[550] Would he go like we should wait or or, uh, so it depends on the boy.

[551] It's so circumstantial, I think.

[552] Yeah.

[553] Because there were experiences where that was the case and there were plenty of experiences where that was not the case.

[554] When I read that paper, it answered this longstanding mystery in my own life, which is I went snowboarding in Vermont when I was 16.

[555] And I met Jenny Hazleton from Manchester.

[556] Yes.

[557] And we had a few pints.

[558] And we ended up in a walking closet of someplace.

[559] Excellent.

[560] And we were making out and things were progressing and progressing.

[561] And then the next thing you know, we were making sweet love in a closet.

[562] Wonderful.

[563] Yes.

[564] And I left the experience going, that happened very quickly.

[565] Yes.

[566] It was a real mystery to me for years.

[567] And then when I read that paper, I was like, oh, my goodness, that's what was happening.

[568] Neither of us had a brake pedal.

[569] But we haven't found unilateral agreement on this.

[570] No, I mean, you guys have the base system, right?

[571] Like, which again, I still don't understand what that is.

[572] In England, we don't have that.

[573] Well, you don't play baseball.

[574] We don't play baseball.

[575] Right.

[576] But I feel like there's a, okay, here's what I think.

[577] In America, there is a sort of dance that happens, that is vocalized and that is discussed.

[578] There are certain expectations on the dance that happens whereby first base, second base, third base, exclusive, not exclusive.

[579] You're over here, I'm over there.

[580] We know how this goes and that's what it is.

[581] And in England, it's a lot more like, oh, well, there we go then.

[582] That happened.

[583] All that didn't happen.

[584] Or like, oh, that happened with you.

[585] And this happened.

[586] Do you know what I mean?

[587] I feel like there's less of a kind of persistent.

[588] rulebook that's discussed a lot more sort of...

[589] It's not a clear architecture or a clear steps.

[590] Yeah.

[591] Yeah.

[592] So maybe it's that the American men that were coming to England were sort of exotic in the sense of how they perceived the dance to go.

[593] And so thereby resulting in a kind of...

[594] Yeah.

[595] In a...

[596] Sex.

[597] You see, yeah, there you go.

[598] Well...

[599] Thank you, Monica.

[600] We read a subsequent article not too long ago that also made sense, which is if you were to plot out the steps before having sex, this researcher broke it into like 24 steps or something.

[601] Right.

[602] And for Americans, kissing's like number two.

[603] It's like the first thing.

[604] Number two.

[605] What was number one?

[606] Hold hands, I guess.

[607] That's just lovely.

[608] For British folks, kissing's like 20.

[609] It's like right before you have.

[610] have sex.

[611] Like there's all these things before you kiss.

[612] The theory was like the American GIs were just like grabbing these gals and kissing them and they were like, oh, we're very far down the path.

[613] Right.

[614] Next step is sex.

[615] Right.

[616] Which that also holds some water.

[617] We like that.

[618] Does it?

[619] Is kissing like a more intimate thing in England?

[620] I think that's so individual though.

[621] Right.

[622] I think all of this.

[623] I think kissing is an incredibly intimate thing.

[624] Right.

[625] But like pretty woman, I do everything but I don't kiss down the man. Right.

[626] Exactly.

[627] I mean.

[628] Oh, she was English.

[629] No, she wasn't English.

[630] She was on vacation from England.

[631] She was.

[632] You are basing an entire country off of one experience you had with one girl.

[633] Two articles and one experience.

[634] No, one article that we can't find.

[635] Right, but I did read it.

[636] And one girl.

[637] And we don't know anything about Jenny Hazleton.

[638] Maybe the night before she got broken up with and she was like, I'm having sex tomorrow.

[639] Like, we don't know what happened.

[640] We should have Jenny.

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[660] Okay, so when I was hinting earlier is so you would have preferred to go to the preparatory school for Oxford right but you didn't get in there but then when you when you graduated what we would call high school here you then applied to a few different drama schools correct ones that there were acronyms and I don't know apparently right like two I'd play to like two because I was sheltered in this boarding school environment that by the way I was an enigma in like I was the not wealthy kid okay in a very wealthy school right do you know what I mean so you just like no you don't need to come around to my house kind of thing i similarly grew up with very little money in my whole family was obsessed with making money right my mom worked so fucking hard to make money i was very prone to feeling less than than people with money and i and i hated rich people right just still trying to get over it but did you have any chip on your shoulder about like their privilege well we've got the class structure in england it's here you guys have it too but in england it's like a whole other thing oh tell us so you've got upper class middle class low class right that's all of But in England for a very, very, very long time, you have upper class where you could be called house poor.

[661] So you have been an incredibly wealthy family for hundreds and hundreds of years.

[662] And you own the stately manner, but you can't afford shoes.

[663] Right.

[664] I've read about this.

[665] Like those houses require so much money for upkeep, right?

[666] Yeah.

[667] So you're living in one room with a tiny heater and no one has, I have friends like this where they technically come from a huge.

[668] fast amounts of old, old, old money, but they technically themselves have nothing.

[669] So it's this bizarre world of being incredibly posh and privileged, but not actually having any money to, but you're still in that bracket, but no around town money.

[670] Yes, exactly.

[671] Exactly.

[672] And then below that is what just like, because there's also rich people without titles, right?

[673] Yes, exactly.

[674] That must annoy the, the Lord.

[675] So you've got new money sort of thing.

[676] It's all of these terrible terms.

[677] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[678] But I mean, they've been around in England for a very long time.

[679] So when you go to a very privileged old school, rich school, you've got, you've got a mix of people who, like, get a happy Wednesday present as, like, you know, from Tiffany's or whatever.

[680] And then you've got people who have seven worth, seven generations of hand -me -downs, but live in a castle and a called Lord.

[681] And then you've got, you know, someone whose parents spent all of their money on sending you to that school because they thought they were giving you the best option that you had.

[682] And you actually came from a very middle class.

[683] But were you embarrassed by the fact that you didn't have money like they did?

[684] Well, yeah, and it was more that, like, what that kind of school does and what we have is that, like, you end up coveting a status that is completely forever out of your reach because you're not a lord.

[685] Right.

[686] You're not, your family doesn't go back generations of being like Henry the 8th's.

[687] Yeah.

[688] So when people get knighted, right?

[689] We read about that.

[690] They're like Sir Anthony Hopkins was knighted, right?

[691] So he wasn't from that class.

[692] Or he would have just already been one?

[693] No, no, no, no. So that, I mean, you can, yeah, that being knighted on your merit of what you've provided England with is completely away from the class structure that you were born into.

[694] But it can really fuck people up.

[695] But will it that carry on?

[696] Like, so let's say that Sir Anthony Hopkins has some children.

[697] He may already have children, whatever.

[698] Yeah.

[699] Do they then carry this title?

[700] Are they now?

[701] I don't know.

[702] I don't think so.

[703] That's something that I don't know.

[704] It's its own thing.

[705] Isn't it its own thing?

[706] You're going to, Monica's going to check this later.

[707] We're going to put down a deep rabbit.

[708] I will.

[709] That'll be a fun one, actually.

[710] Surs and ladies.

[711] Yeah.

[712] The Lord.

[713] Okay, so you did, though, get into the drama center of London.

[714] Yes.

[715] And did you love that immediately?

[716] Yes.

[717] So that was, I, so first time around I applied to like two because I wasn't in the acting world, but I wanted to be an actor from like two years old.

[718] Because your dad, you would go to the theater with your dad.

[719] Exactly.

[720] With your father.

[721] You liked it.

[722] Yes, I loved it.

[723] I loved it.

[724] The magic of it.

[725] I watched a lot of TV.

[726] I watched a lot of film.

[727] I was kind of obsessively into acting and all that could bring.

[728] And then was like, when I'm 18, I'll go to drama school.

[729] And so then kind of thought that would just happen and then realized that I'd been in a very academic environment that wasn't maybe very nurturing of like people who wanted to go to drama school.

[730] So all of my excuses is to why I didn't get in anyway.

[731] The first time around, and then the second time around, I applied to every drama school.

[732] I only was on the wait list for one, which.

[733] was drama center and a girl broke her leg and I got it oh thank goodness thank goodness we thank her still that spot yes we blew by one thing that I forgot to say you have 11 names yeah I have a lot of names listen to this name Monica Amelia Isabel Euphemia correct well done Rose Clark wow it's a lot of names who are all those people were you named I know super indecisive parents a whole side of one of your family like is that all the males in your family?

[734] Yeah, well, so I was called something else for ages and then they just did it on Amelia because I didn't look old enough to be called Isabel is my first name.

[735] Okay.

[736] Go figure.

[737] I mean, I was a newborn child.

[738] So Isabel was, I think, my grand, someone on my granddad's side, Euphemia was my grandmother's actual name.

[739] We called her Fifi, but she's called Euphemia.

[740] What a cool name.

[741] I love it, yeah.

[742] Rose, I think, was on my dad's side.

[743] But yeah, they just couldn't decide.

[744] They just cramped it all in there.

[745] I think they probably wanted more kids than we, then there were also like, forgive her all of the names, just the last one.

[746] So you graduated in 2009.

[747] Yes.

[748] Right?

[749] You say that and it sounds right.

[750] Okay, yes.

[751] By the time you auditioned for Game of Thrones, 2010, you've done like a dozen plays.

[752] You were in a soap opera in London.

[753] I definitely didn't do a dozen plays.

[754] No, I did a dozen part -time jobs.

[755] Okay.

[756] Yes.

[757] An alpha and a terrible TV movie.

[758] Yeah, so I'm just kind of setting the stage for what a wonderful leap forward.

[759] God love you.

[760] It was, right?

[761] Thanks.

[762] I mean, granted, you're still quite young at that time, because you auditioned when you were 24, I think, for Game of Thrones.

[763] 23.

[764] Yeah.

[765] Uh -huh.

[766] And your audition, which it's not what we probably would have imagined, right?

[767] You did a bunch of weird stuff.

[768] Yeah, well, so the first audition was with Nina's casting assistant, Robert.

[769] So Nina Gold cast Game of Thrones.

[770] Robert was her right -hand man. And I think he's now gone on to do his own.

[771] He's fabulous.

[772] And it was me and Robert in a little room with a camera and the scene.

[773] and he was probably the reason why half the people are on Game of Thrones.

[774] He reads so well.

[775] I don't know if you've done an audition where you've got someone who's just like reading it.

[776] Oh, all every audition.

[777] It was like he wanted you to get it.

[778] Anyway, so we do this and it gets sent off to David and Dan.

[779] And then I get a recall, and I meet David, Dan, Carolyn Strauss, and Frank Tolger in a little room in Soho.

[780] And I do the thing for them.

[781] And then about a week goes by, and then they're like, in three weeks, we'd like you to come to L .A. We will fly you business class.

[782] We will put you up in a hotel.

[783] And you're going to come in and you're going to do the scene with the guy that we've cast, Harry Lloyd, in front of everyone at HBO.

[784] Wow.

[785] And I was like, cool.

[786] Yeah.

[787] Great.

[788] Yeah.

[789] Let me just grab my Xanax and some beta blockers and I'll be there.

[790] Yeah.

[791] So I read the book twice.

[792] Oh, my gosh.

[793] Did you like the book?

[794] Did you like the book?

[795] I loved it.

[796] You did.

[797] Absolutely loved it.

[798] I've never read it.

[799] But the first season, right, is a song of Ice and Fire.

[800] Yeah.

[801] The first season is, verbatim season one of the show.

[802] Okay.

[803] Had no idea what it was.

[804] Had no idea really.

[805] I mean, I knew about The Sopranos, but like HBO was just this unknown other that was just like some big.

[806] I'd never been to L .A. You've never been to L .A. Mm -mm.

[807] And do you've been to America?

[808] Yes.

[809] Yes.

[810] I, yes.

[811] You went to New York at some point?

[812] Yes, a bunch because we had, my mom's cousin lived in New York.

[813] So we used to go to New York a bunch.

[814] Okay.

[815] So you fly to L .A. Yes.

[816] And how many folks are in the room?

[817] I feel like I blacked out for the whole experience, but I think there was probably like 20 people there in like a cinema auditorium.

[818] Yeah, wow, essentially.

[819] Like they obviously did in like a screening room.

[820] Now I know what it is.

[821] I was like, oh, this is just where like, like obviously because people are into movies, all the meetings happen in these big cinema rooms.

[822] That makes complete sense.

[823] Yeah.

[824] So Harry was there and, yeah, and I was there in the only faces that I recognized with three faces, David, Dan, and Frank.

[825] Uh -huh.

[826] You did the scenes, but then you ended up doing a bunch of other weird shit, right?

[827] Yeah.

[828] Well, because beforehand, Frank had taken me aside and was like, listen, sweetie, there's going to be things that they might ask you to do outside of just doing the scenes.

[829] And I'm like, cool.

[830] Oh, my God.

[831] Right.

[832] What does that mean?

[833] And he was like, it's cool.

[834] Everything's fine.

[835] I just want you to be aware.

[836] They might ask you some questions.

[837] They might, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[838] Just be, you know, be prepared.

[839] It's all good.

[840] Little did I know that they were gunning for me to have HBO sign off on me because I was a complete, unknown.

[841] I know, the total, like, it was a complete gamble.

[842] So I was kind of going in with their hopes as well as my own.

[843] Yeah.

[844] And so at the end, I was just so nervous and just so scared.

[845] I had dressed up.

[846] I mean, like, I had my hair blown out and I was doing a little dress.

[847] And I did not look willowy or tall or any of the things that they were expecting the chick.

[848] Oh, she was supposed to be willowy and tall.

[849] Willowy and tall and ethereal and all of those things.

[850] And little round face turns out.

[851] Round features?

[852] Round features.

[853] It turns up.

[854] And, yeah, David, Benioff, I was like, can I do anything else?

[855] What else can I do?

[856] I just want this.

[857] I'm here.

[858] This is, what do you know what is?

[859] Is this theater neat cleaning?

[860] Yeah, exactly.

[861] I'm great.

[862] I can make a cup of tea.

[863] And David was like, well, you could do a dance.

[864] Ha, ha, ha.

[865] Because he's really on a very dry sense of humor.

[866] I took him literally and I did one.

[867] You did one.

[868] I did the funky chicken.

[869] And then they were, they were seeming to be loving it.

[870] So I carried on and did the robots.

[871] I see you'll love it I can see this going south Like you have like you do the chicken dance Yeah It's a big hit Yeah Then you're like I'm bang out some running man Yeah exactly Some running man everyone's still in And then you do like the cabbage patch And people like ooh It took a turn It took a little turn Exactly Try and do the worm Knock myself out And now Someone else was cast Right and then someone sideways We don't know what that is we don't care I didn't know that Yeah And then so They shot the pilot They shot the pilot They shot the pilot with a few other cast members.

[872] Oh, wow.

[873] I feel like Lena was a recast.

[874] I was a recast and I always forget who the other person was.

[875] So they shot it with this other girl.

[876] Showed it to HBO and HBO were like, no. We like it, but no. So they had to change a bunch of stuff and recast a bunch of people.

[877] And so I was coming in off the back of that.

[878] Uh -huh.

[879] You now know that, oh, they fire people if they...

[880] Yeah.

[881] Right.

[882] But already, I'm like, I'm like, I'm...

[883] not even meant to be in L .A. let alone in this room, let alone in this like environment.

[884] Imposter syndrome times a I couldn't even remotely fathom what it was.

[885] Yeah, it's very extreme.

[886] Yeah.

[887] It's very extreme.

[888] So then also so your role in the pilot was all reshoots.

[889] Yes.

[890] Oh my goodness.

[891] Which I didn't know because for me it was all shoes.

[892] New to you.

[893] Yeah.

[894] Yeah.

[895] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[896] Oh, that girl.

[897] Mm -hmm.

[898] I know.

[899] It's like the person in the Beatles.

[900] That is rough.

[901] I don't think I can take that compliment, but thank you.

[902] Thank you for the record.

[903] It is.

[904] Oh boy.

[905] All right, before we continue, I just want to play one game with you.

[906] I want you to tell me what character this is from the show, okay?

[907] I'm going to cover my face so you don't get embarrassed for me. I do this for, I might have to cover moniker too.

[908] You ready?

[909] Yes.

[910] Kalisi.

[911] Were you being Sejora just then?

[912] Yes!

[913] You would hate to watch the show with me. As Monica will tell you, we watch it in a group.

[914] Yes.

[915] And probably every eight minutes, I go, Calici.

[916] It's like a tick.

[917] It's a tick.

[918] You like can't not do it.

[919] That's uncanny, though.

[920] That is uncanny.

[921] It's very, very, very good.

[922] It is good.

[923] Yeah.

[924] Oh, the intensity.

[925] I miss it.

[926] Colisi.

[927] It's so intense.

[928] He liked you so much.

[929] We can all relate.

[930] Okay.

[931] Now I want to get into some yummy Game of Thrones.

[932] By the way, are you sick of talking about Game of Thrones?

[933] No, because it changes all the time.

[934] It does.

[935] Yeah, you're not going to believe me when I say this, but I mean it with complete sincerity.

[936] It was two weeks ago that I suddenly was just sitting in my room thinking about stuff and went, huh, that was like a very big thing.

[937] Oh, yeah.

[938] That was two weeks ago.

[939] I literally, we all did.

[940] I was talking to Bernie, Bernie, my love.

[941] Bernie Corfield, he's one of the main producer on the show, reason why the show happens.

[942] And then David and Dan, and we were all talking.

[943] We were all discussing how we basically went 10 years ago.

[944] We were like, hey, guys, get in this bunker.

[945] It's real warm.

[946] We got some stuff going.

[947] It's cool.

[948] Shut the door.

[949] And we stayed in the bunker for 10 years.

[950] And then we just suddenly like, uh -huh, came up and looked around and went, that was fucking crazy.

[951] That was really weird.

[952] Yeah.

[953] Because the job itself is so different from the product and so different from the reaction.

[954] Exactly.

[955] And I feel like the very nature of what we do is we're wrestling with the idea of people's gaze on you.

[956] You've got the camera's gaze on you.

[957] And you're searching to try and communicate with that camera, all the things that you need to be communicated for the sake of a storytelling point of view.

[958] While also ignoring it.

[959] While also completely ignoring it and ignoring your own human reaction to the fact that you're being, all of these things.

[960] And then the reverberations of that is that then you're wrestling with a body of humans watching the other side of that camera, what that gaze is then on you and how you dissect that within yourself and how you figure out where you fit in that.

[961] And for me, I just decided to ignore all of it.

[962] Well, right.

[963] I think you're getting into what it almost is.

[964] It's like there's a little bit of a mind trick that you do to be able to act in front of, you know, 100 people.

[965] There's some disassociated aspect of it.

[966] And it's almost like you build this imaginary wall where it's like you exist within there, but that's not you and blah, blah, blah.

[967] And then so weirdly, yeah, that wall stays up even when it's like now on TV.

[968] No, exactly, exactly.

[969] And you never, like we as human beings can never, ever, ever, you'll never know what someone thinks of you.

[970] You're never in someone else's brain.

[971] You'll never fully understand what it is because you can't see yourself because you don't know what you look like to someone else because you never will.

[972] And so that on screen is times a bajillion.

[973] And then you've got this epic story that you're telling.

[974] For me, on top of all of that, it was being new to the game and realizing that at a hair's breath, it could all just disappear.

[975] So if I put my self -worth on it, I would inevitably end up very sad.

[976] Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[977] Especially if you start with, as you said, like imposter syndrome, which I certainly had two in my own life.

[978] Now, I do feel like you would at least be spared the hating, watching yourself, just, do you pick apart your own looks even though you're pretty flawless -looking?

[979] Oh, my God, do I?

[980] You do?

[981] Fuck yeah.

[982] I see, Monica, we were just arguing about this too.

[983] I was saying, I really don't think there's anyone that looks in the mirror and is like, Fuck yeah, motherfucker.

[984] Mm -hmm.

[985] I think we were talking about Brad Pitt going.

[986] What does it like to have 100 % of the time been the most handsome man in the room?

[987] Yeah, yeah, right.

[988] Like, never walked into a room in his whole life where he wasn't the handsomest.

[989] That's just very fascinating.

[990] Right.

[991] But he comes across his kind of humbly.

[992] I know.

[993] I bet he has some narrative that he either, let's just hypothesize.

[994] He's like, I'm cheesy looking or I'm generic or whatever.

[995] I bet he's got some silly narrative.

[996] Well, I think it's something to do with how much emotional intelligence you have.

[997] Mm -hmm.

[998] Because, I don't know, me and my mate Lola always talk about this.

[999] We're like, when we have kids, what we hope is that they are beautiful and stupid because they'll always be happy.

[1000] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1001] Because they're unaware of what it is that they are dealing with.

[1002] If it's beautiful, then they just are like, cool.

[1003] And there's no questioning that, and that's whatever that is.

[1004] But I think that if you've got a high emotional intelligence, then you're always going to be trying to figure out how people are looking at you.

[1005] And then if you put your worth on how you look, then you instinctively then go, oh i've got to pay more attention to that and i've got to look at that even more and that's going to be the thing and then you've realized that that's deeply unfulfilling and then you've got to figure out that why i need to expand my brain and have that be the thing that i rely on to make me find meaning and those things are so complicated and they're so kind of they are because now that i'm thinking about i bet yeah even someone who has your face will probably watch very thank you you're just no you don't even you don't have to say thank you you don't have to say thank you but I guess everyone's like looking at their own body so even if you have like a face maybe you're like I have no objections of my face maybe I want to look this way or that way I guess it just never stops yeah especially with this idea of being on camera and how you look and how someone else looks at you and what other people think of you and how other people look at you and then that changes how you look at yourself yes which is annoying okay so I don't even know where to start but there's two things because before before I objectify you which is coming I'd like to first objectify the men this show.

[1006] You know, your first lover in the show is fucking Jason Mamoa.

[1007] I know.

[1008] Call Drogo.

[1009] I know.

[1010] I mean, can we just landed on my feet, didn't I?

[1011] Yes.

[1012] I mean, when you like, you're like, hey, so, you know, we're about to shoot this thing, you're going to meet Cal Drogo.

[1013] Jason Mamoa steps up.

[1014] Yeah.

[1015] Are you like, what the fuck is this?

[1016] I mean, were you not, were you bowled over?

[1017] I mean, physically bowled over.

[1018] He literally when he first met me, he wrestled me to the ground.

[1019] Oh, of course he did.

[1020] I've never, I was so English before then I had never been greeted.

[1021] I never met anyone his size, let alone his size of personality, his size of like, Hey, wifey.

[1022] Like, that's a terrible version of him.

[1023] But, um, but yeah.

[1024] Because he's got like, um, some Hawaiian spirit.

[1025] Is that what it is?

[1026] Oh, he's got, and then some.

[1027] Uh -huh.

[1028] Just, wow.

[1029] I just want, let's celebrate the fact that you're, you were first in, too.

[1030] That was lucky me. Yeah, you got in at the ground floor.

[1031] Yes, I did.

[1032] He's one of those incredibly rare people who their personalities and their spirit is as big as he is.

[1033] Like it's the double whammy.

[1034] It's not just that he's a big guy.

[1035] It's that he's like...

[1036] Devouring life.

[1037] Yeah, he just radiates.

[1038] Like, whenever room he's in, he takes up the whole room.

[1039] Because he's just like, boom.

[1040] Wow.

[1041] And it's fucking beautiful.

[1042] He took care of me too, yeah.

[1043] He did.

[1044] He really, really, in an environment where I didn't know I needed to be taken care of.

[1045] Yeah, you're young.

[1046] You have imposterate complex.

[1047] You have to do nudity.

[1048] Is that not terrifying?

[1049] And then now your scene partner is this fucking gorilla, this beautiful gorilla.

[1050] I know.

[1051] And the first scenes are like, they're virtually rape scenes, right?

[1052] I mean, they're aggressive.

[1053] He was crying more than I was.

[1054] It's only now that I realize how fortunate I was with that.

[1055] Because that could have gone in many, many, many, many different ways.

[1056] Because Jason had experience.

[1057] He was an experienced actor who had done a bunch of stuff before coming on to this.

[1058] He was like, sweetie, this is how it's meant to be, and this is how it's not meant to be, and I'm going to make sure that that's the fucking gays.

[1059] So it was always like, can we get her a fucking robe?

[1060] Can we get her a goddamn robe?

[1061] She's shivering.

[1062] Like, it was a lot of that.

[1063] And this is like complete balls out honesty.

[1064] He was so kind.

[1065] He was a prince.

[1066] Yeah, and considerate.

[1067] And like, cared about me as a human being.

[1068] Was he already with Lisa Bonnet?

[1069] Yes.

[1070] Okay, so that's my number one of all time.

[1071] Angel Heart?

[1072] Uh -huh.

[1073] She does not have round features.

[1074] She is probably the most extraordinary beauty.

[1075] Maybe the roundest.

[1076] But I feel like she's the, we're in good, we're in.

[1077] You're right, that's right.

[1078] That's true.

[1079] She's giving it to.

[1080] Orly he's just saying everyone has round features.

[1081] It sounds like so.

[1082] Everyone I like basically has round features.

[1083] Like how would you describe brown features?

[1084] and I just, you know, I like them.

[1085] Yeah, they're just the ones I like.

[1086] So he was already with her.

[1087] Yes, and I think that she, I think she gives him so much, like there's a, there's a gentleness that she has that's exquisite.

[1088] Like when you talk to her, you're like, it's just takes your breath away, how kind of magical that is.

[1089] And I have no doubt that a lot of the way that he sees women is, is educated from that.

[1090] Sure.

[1091] I felt that for sure.

[1092] So do I have more questions about Jason Mamawa?

[1093] No. Okay, I've said enough.

[1094] Okay.

[1095] Now, Kit Harrington, John Snow.

[1096] Yes.

[1097] I'm just going to say it.

[1098] His fucking buns in the lovemaking scene this year, this last season.

[1099] Oh, my goodness.

[1100] Of steel.

[1101] They're the most beautiful buns I've ever seen on a man. They're very sweet.

[1102] I was suspicious that it was a double because they're so perfect.

[1103] I had to go back frame for frame.

[1104] Again, there's like 12 people watching with us and they've got to sit through me going, fucking hey those are his buns yeah he's one of those enigmas right where you just he's just like he doesn't need to do that much and he's just that head to toe and he's one of those actors that in real life you're like no you look yeah you look the same as you do on skim you're bastard yeah oh my god yeah now with all respect is he married he's married yes he's married okay all right so we're going to be very respectful about this but what's very interesting is like you must have watched the show as well right yes yes and so what's interesting is you too were watching the show but you were never working with him right no ever ever did i mean what would you meet him at like the premieres of this shit yeah so season one was like a hope and a wing and a prayer and we were all in it together and we would pull like 24 hour days and like everyone just was like drunk or tired or sick or whatever it was but it didn't matter because we're all in it together and it It was beautiful.

[1105] And so me, Kit, Richard, Madden, Alfie Allen, Finn, Jones.

[1106] I mean, basically, there were a bunch of British actors all at the same age.

[1107] And so we all found one another.

[1108] Oh, fun.

[1109] And we all got pals.

[1110] And we stayed pals consistently throughout the whole thing.

[1111] So Kit and I have been mates from like back in the day.

[1112] Okay.

[1113] Because I guess I imagine that you guys were in always in different locations.

[1114] Always in different locations.

[1115] But always in the same party location.

[1116] Okay, great.

[1117] You know what I'm saying?

[1118] Always in the same one of those occasions.

[1119] And there would be times when it would be quite desperate and we would miss each other.

[1120] But so Kit and I have been pals for a very long time.

[1121] And I am actually best friends with his wife.

[1122] So I met his wife obviously through him and then was like, I'm taking her.

[1123] I'm stealing her.

[1124] But bye now.

[1125] Thank you very much.

[1126] She's all mine.

[1127] And we're super tight.

[1128] And so Kit, Rose and I have consistently been very, very good friends.

[1129] That's fun.

[1130] But it just meant that when we did finally act together, the first scene Kit and I ever shot together, it was in a fucking embarrassment.

[1131] It was like, bro, we are we are better actors than this.

[1132] The crew were like, it's not funny, guys, it's not funny.

[1133] And we're like, but it's hilarious.

[1134] He's in his costume.

[1135] What's he doing?

[1136] Don't tell me you're doing that voice, dude.

[1137] That's not your fucking voice.

[1138] Like, come on, please.

[1139] That's just full the shit together.

[1140] And you're in the big wand.

[1141] Yeah.

[1142] And he's like, well, you look like a bloody idiot because you're wearing like, what are you doing?

[1143] And we just, it took a good few walls for us to be like serious.

[1144] And then we're meant to be seriously like doing the kind of courtship of the two characters and the romance and we're just like.

[1145] No, but it was.

[1146] So it was a lot of that.

[1147] And then we were done and we're like, oh, thank God that's done.

[1148] Okay, cool.

[1149] Can we just go and like have a drink and just be normal again?

[1150] God bless you, boy.

[1151] Yeah.

[1152] The thing that I always find with any sex scene or any romantic scene, really, is after you've done the kissing, this has happened every single time Kitt's the only exception because we were both weird and we were like this is fucking weird I can't look at you bro this strange and like we kept doing this day every time we look at each other we go so he's the only exception but other than that you're super tactile afterwards it's like this weird fucking thing where I'm like you want to hug it out let's hug it out we're done and thank you and we'll see you tomorrow morning and it'll be a complete different situation but in the time after you've had a romantic scene of whatever capacity there's like this human in you that's like...

[1153] Oh, yeah.

[1154] I feel a little weird.

[1155] This is a little strange.

[1156] You want to do a little hug?

[1157] Okay, cool.

[1158] We're good?

[1159] And we're done.

[1160] Just like a minutia, more tactileness.

[1161] That doesn't make any sense, but you know what I'm saying.

[1162] No, yeah, yeah.

[1163] Afterwards, because de -escalation.

[1164] Yeah, de -escalation.

[1165] A little bit.

[1166] There, that's exactly it.

[1167] Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare.

[1168] Now, under the nudity, it's such an interesting dynamic that women generally have to find themselves in more than men, although increasingly so, like euphoria, there's penises everywhere, which I love.

[1169] Of course.

[1170] Of course.

[1171] But certainly conventionally and traditionally, women who want a great role are often going to get asked to be nude.

[1172] Is that a dicey dynamic?

[1173] Is it easier when you're first getting into it?

[1174] And then it slowly starts going like, wait a minute.

[1175] Why am I the one that's always nude?

[1176] Yeah.

[1177] Well, it's a really fascinating thing.

[1178] So my adult life has been the show.

[1179] It's been 10 years of the show.

[1180] And it's, that's my whole career thus far.

[1181] I have been doing this at the most fascinating and shifting times for that.

[1182] You're right.

[1183] If they did the pilot right now.

[1184] Very different situation.

[1185] It wouldn't be different.

[1186] Very, very, very different situation.

[1187] And so season one was what it was.

[1188] It was a fuck ton of nudity.

[1189] There was an S &L sketch about it.

[1190] Did you see that?

[1191] No, but I'm sure it's ripe for the, for the, S &Ling.

[1192] Oh, there's a great Saturday Night Live sketch.

[1193] I think Andy Sandberg played one of the creators of the show.

[1194] Oh, wow.

[1195] And he was 12?

[1196] Oh, no, yes, I have.

[1197] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1198] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1199] And he had, like, braces and shit, and he was giggling.

[1200] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1201] Okay, so.

[1202] Wait, go out.

[1203] You were fit.

[1204] So, yeah, so season one, there was all of that.

[1205] Obviously, I took the job, and then they sent me the pilot.

[1206] They sent me the scripts, and I was reading them, and I was, it was like, oh, there's the catch.

[1207] There's the, yeah.

[1208] Oh, okay.

[1209] all right then, but I come fresh from drama school and was like, approach this as a job.

[1210] If it's in this script, then it's clearly needed, then this is what this is and I'm going to make sense of it and this is my job and that's what I'm going to do and everything's going to be cool.

[1211] So I kind of came to terms with that beforehand and then going and doing it and I was in such a like, oh my God, other world of like I'm floating through this first season.

[1212] I have no idea what I'm doing.

[1213] I have no idea what any of this is.

[1214] I've never been on a film set like this before.

[1215] I've been on a film set twice before then.

[1216] And now I'm on a film set completely naked with all of these people.

[1217] And I don't know what I meant to do.

[1218] And I don't know what's expected of me. And I don't know what you want.

[1219] And I don't know what I want.

[1220] Regardless of whether they had been nudity or not, I would have spent that first season thinking, I'm not worthy of requiring anything.

[1221] I'm not worthy of needing anything at all.

[1222] Right.

[1223] Because you hit the lottery.

[1224] You're lucky.

[1225] Yeah, exactly.

[1226] And like, I have that anyway.

[1227] So imposter syndrome times a million.

[1228] So whatever I'm feeling is wrong, I'm going to go cry in the bathroom and then I'm going to come back and we're going to do the scene that's going to be completely fine but it was definitely hard which is why the scenes when I got to do them with Jason were wonderful because he was like no sweetie this isn't okay and I'm like oh I'm tempted in my mind in fact I did go back in my mind I'm like oh I've been naked like three times on a set and I'm like remembering my experience with that but then I'm realizing like it's such a different thing It's so different for a man to be naked Because the crew is always going to be predominantly 80 % male It's not 80 % female Also females don't commit sex crimes on men There's such a different dynamic But initially I'm just like oh I've been there And then I kind of forget But I'm in such a different situation culturally Yeah and also this is going to sound really base But logistically there's more to cover But when you're being required to be naked as a woman, there's more, there's something to be covering on the top half, there's something that you're covering on the bottom half, there's kind of...

[1229] Yeah, you all will have, like, Kristen has to wear like a, just a pasty, really, over your vagina.

[1230] There's just like a little, yeah, like a piece of fabric.

[1231] I know too much about nudity waivers and about nudity cover -up things.

[1232] Oh my God, they're so complicated, aren't they?

[1233] Those contracts they bring to you?

[1234] Yes.

[1235] And people wouldn't know what you're signing.

[1236] I mean, this was back in the day.

[1237] So now things are different.

[1238] Now things are very, very, very different.

[1239] And I'm a lot more savvy about what I'm comfortable with and what I am okay with doing.

[1240] Like I've had fights on set before where I'm like, no, she stays up.

[1241] And they're like, you don't want to disappoint your game as their own fans.

[1242] And I'm like, fuck you.

[1243] Yeah.

[1244] Yeah.

[1245] I know they do.

[1246] They put the weight of the whole project on the actresses' shoulders in those situations.

[1247] And I feel like I've seen enough now to know what is at.

[1248] actually needed.

[1249] Because that's the other thing.

[1250] I was also, little did I know, protected by the show in terms of the storytelling being at a very high level.

[1251] The people they were hiring being at a very high level.

[1252] Well, that's the weird thing that makes all the, the whole thing decided whether you regret it on, how good the thing turns out, which is interesting.

[1253] So it's inherently a tricky dynamic, yet I love nudity.

[1254] Right.

[1255] I like it in males, females.

[1256] I just love it.

[1257] We watch euphoria.

[1258] We call each other after we see the penises.

[1259] We're so excited.

[1260] Yeah, but we're like excited.

[1261] Like that's new and that, but it's not the same.

[1262] It's like when girls are watching the guys' penises, they're not, they're not, no, they're not, no, they're not.

[1263] They're not putting it up on a website and then dudes are, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1264] And when women are, there's the chance that guys could definitely, ugh, yeah.

[1265] Yeah, no, there was all of that that I just ignored was even, and so then when there was a slight repercussion, like the reason why I don't Google myself, I'm very, very, glad I learned it very early and I don't look at anything at all ever, ever, ever.

[1266] Was because when I did after season one, I just saw articles about like how fat my ass was.

[1267] Why would I go, I'll do this, da -da -da -da -da.

[1268] And I'm like, you know what?

[1269] I'm a kid, man. Like, come me some goddamn slack.

[1270] But the thing was is that with this character, I've had so many people say so many different things to me about the nudity thing, about specifically Calisi's nudity in the show.

[1271] And people would, care if you hadn't had seen her be abused.

[1272] Oh, totally.

[1273] You wouldn't fucking care.

[1274] You were so vulnerable.

[1275] If you were covered out, like there is a layer of vulnerability that happens when someone's naked.

[1276] You had to see it.

[1277] If the goal of some project is to like manipulate people's emotions, which it is, when I see all those penises in that locker room, I'm a wurt.

[1278] I'm like giddy.

[1279] Oh, this is weird.

[1280] I feel like it really does induce into me some titillation or weird feeling that is the desired effect.

[1281] It sort of makes it real, doesn't it?

[1282] Like, if you're walking around a dude's changing room, you're going to see a load of penises.

[1283] That's right.

[1284] You see it on TV, you're like, oh, we're in normal land.

[1285] This is interesting.

[1286] Yes, they've established the truth of the thing.

[1287] The rules of it.

[1288] Yeah.

[1289] And when I did the last nudity that I did for the show, which was walking through the fire the second time around, yeah.

[1290] Yeah, I was like, I'm owning this.

[1291] This is mine.

[1292] Yeah.

[1293] They've asked me to do it.

[1294] And you know what?

[1295] I'm fucking game.

[1296] And again, but it brings into question the thing of like what it is like being under the gaze of people you'll never meet.

[1297] Yeah.

[1298] People you'll never know.

[1299] And what that is.

[1300] So when you're doing theatre, you get it instantly, right?

[1301] You do the play, you do the show, whatever it is.

[1302] You saw all them, and you see all of their eyes and you feel some applause or you don't or whatever it is.

[1303] You get an immediate end to that transaction.

[1304] Whereas when you're doing film, you're like, I have a relationship with this camera and I have no idea what's on the other side of it.

[1305] But there are however many people's gazes through that lens.

[1306] looking at me, that you'll never, you'll never be able to get what that is.

[1307] And that's fucking confusing when you're a young girl.

[1308] A thousand percent.

[1309] In fact, I think the big key to staying sane while doing a very public occupation is, you really just have to say to yourself, like, who am I thinking about?

[1310] Like, these are people I never, I will never meet in my life.

[1311] I have a circle of people that are in my life.

[1312] I know what those people think of me. So why am I concerned about what people that are not in my, I have an obligation to people in my life to be a certain way and act a certain way but but beyond that that's no one can have that obligation so it's kind of like you got to kind of put up a wall right where you're like yeah a lot of people are going to think a lot of things and i'll never meet them well that's exactly it exactly and you'll yeah and you'll never know and some people will think lovely things and some people think terrible things well my very first movie was in new zealand and i jumped off waterfalls and i canude down class four rapids and i did all this stuff and i was like yeah sign me up but as i've gotten older and done it longer i'm like i don't think i want to get that water it's freezing so i do wonder because you guys is that show was so fucking hard you were in cold climates oh my god yeah as it went on were you your tolerance of it diminish mine would um it definitely changed but i was lucky because as denaris built in stature she had to do less of that stuff right you know what i'm saying like the worst thing i had to do was sitting on the back of a green dragon for months on end i bet those scenes would have been so hard to film those I just watch that and I go Oh this bitch is on a fucking God knows what a bicycle seat And she's got to be in her and they're telling her like Now the dragon turns left Right Oh my God that's exactly how it goes Egg on the facey stuff right Like hyperventilating Being like when I watch this back It's going to be the highest stakes moment For her entire trajectory as a character And in reality it's me and like Seven other people in this big old room and no one's really watching.

[1313] Yeah, like the core relationship of your character that was consistent through the whole thing was those fucking dragons.

[1314] So, like, your main scene partner?

[1315] Imaginary.

[1316] Yeah.

[1317] So hard.

[1318] Oh, my God.

[1319] But in that sense, very good because you can endow that imaginary other with everything, as opposed to sometimes you get to work with wonderful actors who give you a huge amount and sometimes you don't.

[1320] But when you've got an imaginary thing you're working with, you're like, you know what?

[1321] I'm acting opposite Brando right now.

[1322] Like, I've decided that this dragon is given me gold.

[1323] So, Calisi.

[1324] Yeah.

[1325] Ian, just my absolute, that's, there you go.

[1326] Yeah, love you attacking, Colisi.

[1327] So he was kind of like my mentor throughout the whole show.

[1328] He really, like, guided me as an actor and was really, I love him.

[1329] He's awesome.

[1330] He's just, he's my guy.

[1331] And I'll never forget in season three, there was a frame that was set up with, like, the explosions and the thing, and the thing.

[1332] that and the thing and he was like don't come over and have look at this and he was like just look at what you're about to walk into just look at that frame you are so taking care of you need to do nothing because this is rare this doesn't happen throughout your career like know what this is and i was like far i hadn't yeah you are absolutely right and i'll still go searching for it in every other job but essentially he showed me something that was so helpful to me for the rest of the show.

[1333] I can afford to be as vulnerable as human possible because I'm taking care of.

[1334] Sorry, not to go back to nudity, but I just do want to say it's so interesting how you're saying the last scene that you did where you felt empowered to do it.

[1335] It's such a mirroring of the character.

[1336] Like starting out, nude and vulnerable and then...

[1337] Exactly.

[1338] And exactly.

[1339] I was in the right frame of mind for each of those scenes.

[1340] If you want to be like methody about it.

[1341] That's so interesting.

[1342] But that's exactly it.

[1343] But I also knew I knew what I needed to do and I knew that I would get people saying like, you're always naked.

[1344] And I'd have to be like, fuck you.

[1345] I'm not always naked.

[1346] And this is why.

[1347] And I'm good with this.

[1348] So it's my body back off.

[1349] And that was again me getting to a new place with what that felt like.

[1350] So cool.

[1351] Yeah.

[1352] Okay.

[1353] Now this is neither here nor there, but I just feel like I want to tell you.

[1354] Beside you, of course, my favorite character is The Hound.

[1355] Oh, what a good choice.

[1356] Chicken.

[1357] You would get on with Rory so well.

[1358] Would we wrestle on the sand and you would destroy me?

[1359] No, he would get you on his boat and you would go sailing.

[1360] He literally is in a Hemingway novel consistently.

[1361] We have the same British agent and he was trying to track him down to tell him about a great job opportunity.

[1362] The agent had to call the Coast Guard to put out a thing that was like, Rory, call your fucking agent, mate.

[1363] You've got a job.

[1364] You can come home now.

[1365] That's so funny.

[1366] Yeah, he lives on an island in Scotland, and he's just the most authentic, beautiful, amazing.

[1367] He's in a poem.

[1368] Oh, he's fabulous.

[1369] Okay, my wife's fallen in love with probably four people she's worked with.

[1370] Okay.

[1371] I got to say at the very top of that list is Peter Dinklidge.

[1372] Oh, I mean.

[1373] When I first met him, he was at, we had a party together, and he just, it was like he was just like, he looks at you and he hears you.

[1374] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1375] And you're like, why is this rare?

[1376] Yeah.

[1377] Why is this so intoxicating?

[1378] And then I look over and this particular, my mom had visited set.

[1379] And I turned around and I was like, she's blushing.

[1380] She's fucking blushing.

[1381] Oh, God bless him.

[1382] It's making her blush.

[1383] He's shining his light on everything.

[1384] And then again, has the most beautiful, badass motherfucking wife on the planet.

[1385] I liked when we were working together in Belfast.

[1386] I would go over and take care of the kids.

[1387] Oh, you would.

[1388] Oh, that's funny.

[1389] Like, we would all hang out.

[1390] But he's remarkable.

[1391] I don't read.

[1392] like fan stuff.

[1393] I'm not on Facebook, so I don't know what the general reaction was, but I certainly was like, hold on a second.

[1394] I'm all in on Calici.

[1395] I've always been all in on on the Calici.

[1396] And I was, I don't know.

[1397] I don't know.

[1398] The turn.

[1399] It was a big turn.

[1400] How, what did you think?

[1401] What was your honest, God's honest, what did you feel?

[1402] Honestly, I felt like they had to do something.

[1403] Right.

[1404] They had to wrap this up in some way.

[1405] You know, what were they going to do?

[1406] My whole time I'm like, motherfuckers get married John Snow Cleese get married and just be king and queen what the fuck is it artificial stakes you guys love each other you guys both have a right to the fucking throne get married and live happily ever after why on earth do you need you know 100 % of the throne yes did it break your heart to have to or was it fun it was both it was both it was definitely both when I first read the season I needed a cool down then I was like the first I gave you my life.

[1407] What?

[1408] Do you mean?

[1409] This is really extreme.

[1410] And then, like, had, like, a full...

[1411] I suddenly felt like I was carrying the weight of a lot on my back.

[1412] And he was going...

[1413] I owe her so much.

[1414] And at every turn, the boys were right.

[1415] At every turn, I was hired to do a job, and I believe in them wholeheartedly.

[1416] And I was like, you're asking me to do something really difficult here, guys.

[1417] And I'm going to fucking do it for you in the best of my abilities.

[1418] On one side, I was like, How juicy.

[1419] Oh, my days.

[1420] As an actress, we're able to do this.

[1421] Like, flip that fucking shit.

[1422] And, and ooh.

[1423] And then on the other side, I'm like, and it hurts.

[1424] It hurts so much.

[1425] I love her so much.

[1426] I fucking, oh, my God.

[1427] And so it was a kind of combination of that the entire way through.

[1428] But it was the hardest thing I've ever had to film.

[1429] Well, I got to say a really funny, personal way it intersected our life, is one of my best friends from home.

[1430] Ken Kennedy, his daughter.

[1431] He's so fucking beautiful and cute.

[1432] And one years old or two, her name is Colise.

[1433] Wonderful.

[1434] Calice Kennedy.

[1435] And so I kind of called him and I was like, hey, bud, are you up to date on the episodes?

[1436] And he goes, we're not, but I'm aware.

[1437] Oh, wow, because this name stood for total awesome female empowerment, Joan of our fucking Amelia Earhart Which it still does She still does But definitely taking a turn She's also a megalomaniacal Fucking power hungry Right Yeah And it's a really tough one to Because then I don't know if you saw But at the end of the On the last scene I wanted to bring her back to season one I wanted to bring the energy back to season one I wanted to have her be this kind of Like there's nothing then left to do but to be entirely hopeful and optimistic and ultimately deluded.

[1438] Yeah.

[1439] And just to try and bring back some of the open -heartedness that she had.

[1440] But if you really look at her, if you really look at what she's been through, the fact that she's went on the run her whole life.

[1441] She's been abused, her whole life.

[1442] She's been dealing with the weight of responsibility of carrying her family's legacy, her whole life.

[1443] It has landed on her shoulders.

[1444] and she's decided to move forward with that.

[1445] When it comes down to this thing of people start to betraying her, people start to leave her, people start to devalue what it is that she's made, she's killed people all the way up until this point.

[1446] And now someone's going to turn around and say, ah, maybe no. I did this because it was like all or nothing.

[1447] I went all in.

[1448] And now you're telling me that I can't.

[1449] And it becomes like its own addiction.

[1450] And so that scene looking, at the bell tower right before she decides to just do it anyway.

[1451] Carpet bomb.

[1452] Carpet bomb.

[1453] Miguel and I, the director, had this huge discussion about it where it was like, it was essentially getting into the mind of an addict who just, you're at the bar and you're holding the fucking drinking in your hand and you don't want to fucking drink it, but you can't help it because you're so damaged and you're so hurt and you're so vulnerable that there is nothing left to do.

[1454] Everybody has left you.

[1455] Yeah.

[1456] That's my bitch.

[1457] Yeah.

[1458] I like it.

[1459] I'm in.

[1460] Well, and I've been there, and you, by the way, when you're holding the drinking, you're like, this is going to fuck everything up, and I don't care.

[1461] And I don't care.

[1462] Yeah.

[1463] I was like, are they saying to us, it's just in her fucking jeans.

[1464] The dad was nuts.

[1465] He was the mad king.

[1466] Is that what we calling him?

[1467] Yeah.

[1468] Yeah.

[1469] Yeah.

[1470] The mad king is the statement like, oh, no, she was always going to be that way.

[1471] It's in her blood in the same way that the Lannisters are coming.

[1472] That's not it, though.

[1473] I don't think it's that at all.

[1474] I think it's that.

[1475] So she was an orphan.

[1476] And she was raised by a brother who was clearly fucking her.

[1477] Yeah.

[1478] And then was sold, like a slave, to a huge warrior.

[1479] Yeah.

[1480] And she then, the most delightful, gorgeous warrior ever.

[1481] But was.

[1482] And from that, found weirdly he taught her to then find strength within her own femininity and turnaround was like, okay, how about we do this differently.

[1483] And then went on in that legacy and wanted kids.

[1484] and then realized that she birthed dragons instead and was never going to have them and tried to fall in love and realized that that would never work and became this vessel for leadership, for power.

[1485] And she spent our whole life trying desperately as we all do to not be our parents.

[1486] Yeah.

[1487] Something different.

[1488] And the joke's always on us.

[1489] We're our parents.

[1490] There you go.

[1491] But I think the result of what it made her do was not nothing to do with her parents, nothing to do with the Mad King, but everything to do with her girl.

[1492] going, I have to prove that I'm enough.

[1493] I have to prove that everything that I've sacrificed up into this point is enough.

[1494] Yeah.

[1495] You can't quit on the 99 -yard line.

[1496] I know you don't get any of these sports references, but that's a full -down idea.

[1497] No, she might get them.

[1498] She got batting a thousand.

[1499] Yeah, she might love sports.

[1500] Which I had to explain to you, as you recall.

[1501] Okay, so that brings me up to another question.

[1502] How the fuck do you memorize Dalthraki?

[1503] I mean, honestly, I would need an earpiece or something.

[1504] cried a lot so the first couple of seasons it was funny no it wasn't funny but i made it funny because i was just like oh my god because i just wouldn't get it and then like david and dan be like babe it's cool like no one knows what you're fucking saying honey it's all good like we want you to care about the other scenes we don't need you to care about the dothraki scenes and i'm like i must say the right lines fuck you this is my craft i need to know what i'm fucking saying Let's say, Dax, you're going to learn some Dothrake.

[1505] You're going to do this scene on Dothraki tomorrow.

[1506] Here's what you'll get.

[1507] Please tell me. You will get your words in English and you'll know them.

[1508] Coming up to the day, you will get an MP3 of David Peterson doing Dothraki two ways.

[1509] He will say it in three ways, sorry.

[1510] He'll say it in English on the MP3.

[1511] And then he will say it in slow Dothraki and then he'll say it and speed it up Dothraki.

[1512] So I'm musical.

[1513] so I listen to it and then you have on a hard copy or on your computer or whatever you'll have the phonetic spellings of Dothraki you'll never know what the words actually mean I'll know let's say I wanted to say hey Dax I love your t -shirt then in Dothraki that might say T -shirt Dax love I but I would never know what that was because it would never be written in that way so I would make up what I believe the words to mean because you'd get some kind of repetitions but essentially I would sit there for days on end and just listen over and over and over and over and over again and then I would say it back and then I'd cover it and then I'd cover it and then da -da -da -da and then I would tidy my room and say it over and over and over and over and over again and then I'd say it to Belfast and then I'd say it to the oven and then I'd say it to whoever and then I'd get in the make -up chair and be like let me tell a little something and then I'd say it and D 'Othraki Do you have any of it still memorized?

[1514] No. No. genuinely no I think it was too traumatic But so the last season of Eight, that last final speech that I do in Villarine and in Dothraki, I mean it took me at least a month.

[1515] The night before was crying up at night being like, I don't know these words and these are the most important words she's ever said it's culminating in a really, really, really vital bit of the scene.

[1516] You have to learn them so well that you can act.

[1517] Yeah, of course.

[1518] Like you've got to be able to throw those fucking guttural sounds out and you know what you're saying with your eyes.

[1519] They should have given you a prompter.

[1520] I know.

[1521] Well, I had a gorgeous dialect coach who would kind of be within sight.

[1522] But if it was a really long day and I hadn't done all of the prep that I needed to do and I would keep forgetting it, then I would just tear myself apart.

[1523] Well, I went right in my head while you're telling me this to me being in my 20s on this show.

[1524] And I would imagine, I'd be like, all right, time to work on my Dothraki.

[1525] And I would like, I'm going to do it over some beers.

[1526] So did you ever like, oh, I'll have some wine and do this.

[1527] And then you wake up in the morning, you're like, oh, I didn't retain a goddamn thing.

[1528] Oh, yeah.

[1529] And those were the bad days.

[1530] Those are those on the days when I was like, I don't need to do nine hours of this.

[1531] I needed to do nine hours of that.

[1532] You needed to.

[1533] Because then also the crew never knows what the fuck you're saying, so you don't know where you're starting from.

[1534] So you'd have to just keep going back.

[1535] And then I'd be like, can we go way, way, way back?

[1536] Can we go to the beginning and da -da -da.

[1537] And then people would be like, oh, that's something like a stupid word.

[1538] And I'm like, I know.

[1539] That you've thrown me out.

[1540] Wow.

[1541] I don't think I've ever, we haven't had someone on where we were a crazy super fan.

[1542] of their show.

[1543] It's true.

[1544] I have more questions about the show than I've ever had about someone's show.

[1545] When this character took the turn.

[1546] Yes.

[1547] Season eight.

[1548] Season eight, yes.

[1549] You're not on social media, right?

[1550] I'm on Instagram.

[1551] You are on Instagram.

[1552] I am very selective with my Instagram.

[1553] I'm a lazy Instagrammer.

[1554] Got it.

[1555] So anyone who's listening and is like, why don't you post more?

[1556] Everyone, you know, along these seven seasons has been like probably just putting a bunch of like really positive energy at you, I would guess.

[1557] And then there's a big turn where I assume a lot of people are putting some negative energy out towards you.

[1558] Well, this is where it pays off that I've spent my entire time of Game of Thrones never believing anything that anyone ever said, never taking anything that anyone said at any real value.

[1559] Yeah.

[1560] Really just like my negative voice shouting far louder than anyone saying anything nice because I was always in the back of my mind I was like, oh great, we're successful now.

[1561] We won't be tomorrow.

[1562] There's every chance that we won't be tomorrow So for that I'm base level aware I don't Google myself I don't really There's a lot of stuff that I don't hear And now regardless people Have very sweetly said lovely things And I've got a lot of fan theories And I've got a lot of like If I had it my way Right oh I'm sure I'd be doing it different I'm sure But I definitely the worst thing that anyone said And this was painfully close to the show I was at my mum's house Which is in the countryside In Oxfordshire and I went to Waitrose to get some food and it was the day after episode 5 right?

[1563] We had to say it was six episodes wasn't it the final season?

[1564] Yeah.

[1565] So this is episode 5 so this was I like I had never seen what that looked like until I watched it on TV obviously because I'd only done the green screen stuff and I was in Wait Choes and this woman looked to me and went well you're brave to be outside oh my and I was like and I was literally like, Yikes.

[1566] Oh my God.

[1567] I started welling up in the shop and was like, oh, that I didn't need that.

[1568] Thanks, honey.

[1569] Okay, but by now, I'm going to, I don't need any food.

[1570] I'm just going to leave.

[1571] But that was it.

[1572] That was the beginning, middle and end of my bad experiences with regards to that.

[1573] But I was also like, I'm a human being.

[1574] Yeah.

[1575] And I'm not.

[1576] I'm an actress.

[1577] I'm not, Denarius.

[1578] No. I'm actually, Amelia.

[1579] I cheated on my fiancee on a TV.

[1580] show and I am on Twitter and I opened up my Twitter it was just like you fucking piece of shit like telling me that like yeah yeah people can't dog they can't and on that topic that was probably my only last thought I wanted to bring up on Game of Thrones is poor King Joffrey yeah right for that same reason yeah I mean by the way one of the best the best villains I've ever seen in my life like I have exempt I've never been screaming for people to kill somebody like I was him him.

[1581] And I do think I read at some point years ago that, like, he just didn't want to act after that.

[1582] He didn't want to act after that.

[1583] He's so bright.

[1584] But it wasn't because of that experience.

[1585] I think he's a super, super, super smart boy.

[1586] He went to go study, I think, philosophy at Trinity.

[1587] He's good.

[1588] Do you know what I mean?

[1589] He was, it was not for the character's sake that he didn't want to act, I think.

[1590] He was that he was like, it was not for the character's sake.

[1591] I don't want to use my brain in a different way.

[1592] So I think it was much more that.

[1593] I think it was much more that he was like, cool, I had a fun experience being an actor as a kid for a minute.

[1594] And now.

[1595] I'm going to go off and, like, study and see where that takes me. Yeah.

[1596] No, Lena used to get such awful things shouted at her down the street.

[1597] Sure.

[1598] Shame.

[1599] Yeah.

[1600] Yeah.

[1601] Oh, wow.

[1602] Okay.

[1603] You've had an incredible career even outside of that show, which, of course, that's why I feel guilty, though.

[1604] I've spent so much time on it.

[1605] But you did breakfast at Tiffany's.

[1606] Was that your Broadway debut?

[1607] Oh, yeah.

[1608] Uh -oh.

[1609] Why are you saying?

[1610] It was not good.

[1611] It was not reviewed well.

[1612] Oh, it wasn't?

[1613] It was not good.

[1614] It was a difficult.

[1615] I'm desperate to get back on the stage.

[1616] Desper, desperate, desperate, desperate, because the drama school, I want to be.

[1617] be on the stage.

[1618] Yeah.

[1619] Loads.

[1620] Well, I'm so sad that it wasn't a good experience.

[1621] Simply because of the reviews, or did you have fun doing it?

[1622] The rehearsal process was the happiest I think I'd been ever, ever.

[1623] I was like, Britain, New York, been doing the rehearsals and having a fabulous time.

[1624] And then it was just a bit of a kick -bolic scramble of trying to get everything together.

[1625] I sort of think we maybe should have had that play tour, figure out what it was.

[1626] Brush it up a little bit, then pop it on Broadway.

[1627] It was a bit raw.

[1628] I'm desperate to get back on the stage.

[1629] and prove to myself that I can still do it.

[1630] Well, you will.

[1631] And then my next question is you did Terminator.

[1632] Uh -huh.

[1633] Uh -huh.

[1634] And did you work with Arnold?

[1635] I did.

[1636] Do you know I did in Arnold?

[1637] It's so good.

[1638] Hey, it's gonna be a good day.

[1639] Thanks, Arnold.

[1640] Yeah.

[1641] Did you like me before you?

[1642] Thea Sharik, the wonderful director, I have the enormous joy of being godmom to her son.

[1643] Like, weird time.

[1644] We're close.

[1645] And will you guys do more stuff together?

[1646] there?

[1647] Yeah.

[1648] Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[1649] Okay, what was it like doing Star Wars?

[1650] Really interesting because, like, that's public knowledge that everything...

[1651] What happened?

[1652] That the directors...

[1653] Oh, that they switched, right?

[1654] It started as the...

[1655] And all of that.

[1656] And then Ron took over.

[1657] Ron Howard.

[1658] Yeah.

[1659] And where were you guys at for that?

[1660] Would you go to all crazy...

[1661] Oh, just London.

[1662] Uh -huh, London.

[1663] I guess what I'm curious is, is like, you're in Game of Thrones, biggest TV show of all time.

[1664] And then you get offered Star Wars, which is I think is maybe the biggest property of all time in film.

[1665] Yeah.

[1666] And, you know, are you over the imposter complex or does it get triggered when you get Star Wars?

[1667] Uh -huh.

[1668] Yeah.

[1669] Oh, yeah.

[1670] Yeah, yeah, 100 million percent.

[1671] And also, because now that the movie's done and everything, I wasn't a big Star Wars fan growing up, really.

[1672] I mean, like, my brother was, so by proxy, I was aware of it, and I knew what was going on.

[1673] But it was double imposter syndrome where I was like, this is amazing.

[1674] And I'm aware of all these things.

[1675] And I've seen the movies.

[1676] It was fun and it was new and it was different.

[1677] And there was all of these things going on.

[1678] But like, yeah, with each new job, I get a new imposter.

[1679] syndrome for sure yeah you have two movies are in post -production what which one's coming out first you should at least plug that right last christmas yeah tell me about last christmas last christmas emma thompson wrote this movie oh i love her we love love her i mean that what a queen that was the single greatest filming experience in my life because it was and thompson is just a total g so paul fieg directed it emma thompson wrote it with her husband gregg who is phenomenal and they're I am, I have the amazing luck of being their pals.

[1680] Oh, you, yes.

[1681] And I count my blessings every day.

[1682] I went to go stay with them and they've got a place in Scotland.

[1683] We like, she's my true life.

[1684] What's the premise?

[1685] You meet this girl who is just a complete fuck up and a total mess and utter chaos and doesn't really know what's going on with her life and we kind of don't really know why.

[1686] And she finds her way back to herself.

[1687] Uh -huh.

[1688] But she has been incredibly ill at a period of her life and it has resulted in this.

[1689] But it's kind of tapping into this age bracket of living on mom and dad's sofa.

[1690] She is homeless because she would rather not, she would rather live anywhere than at home.

[1691] Okay.

[1692] All right.

[1693] So she screws a lot of guys and she drinks a lot of alcohol.

[1694] Is it mean the Christmas of the previous year or this is the last Christmas?

[1695] It means the song.

[1696] Oh, there's a song.

[1697] Oh, yeah.

[1698] George Michael's song last Christmas.

[1699] Oh, there you go, that's it.

[1700] I gave you my heart.

[1701] That's it.

[1702] Yeah, it's that.

[1703] I got to do this, though, if I sing in front of Monica, because it gives her gross outs.

[1704] Oh, right.

[1705] I'm looking at the face.

[1706] Got it.

[1707] When does that come out?

[1708] Eighth of November.

[1709] The eighth of November.

[1710] We had so many coerpsing scenes, which is, you know, where you laugh so hard that you just can't carry on.

[1711] And you call it a corpse scene?

[1712] Yeah, that's, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1713] Yeah.

[1714] It's going to the way where Emma was like, replace her with a fucking pillow because I can't deal with it.

[1715] Making me laugh too much.

[1716] It was joyful.

[1717] It was just joy, joy, joy, joy, joy.

[1718] It was wonderful.

[1719] There's nothing better than that when you really cannot get it together.

[1720] Oh my God, yeah.

[1721] I live for that.

[1722] Yeah.

[1723] I had a scene like that with Nate talk, but Brothers and Justice, he's asking me what kind of medications I take for my erectile dysfunction.

[1724] And I'm being so serious about it.

[1725] And we couldn't get through the scene with him there.

[1726] So then it was like, you can't be in the room.

[1727] I just got to say it just play on the game.

[1728] camera so but then he went into the kitchen and i started doing it and i could hear him laugh in the kitchen so then we had to remove him from the whole the fucking whole apartment he couldn't be anywhere near me it's so fun that's like i mean it's cool to be in good stuff but who gives you fuck on your deathbed it's all about like your time making the shit it doesn't matter on your deathbed no one's gonna ask you how many movies you did yeah or what they made or any of that stuff exactly it's all about laughing with emma yes it really is that is life okay november 8th last christmas i'm very excited about that.

[1729] Okay, now, you have had, by the way, you're the second person we've talked to I think maybe even the third, that is young and has had an aneurysm.

[1730] Wow.

[1731] Yes.

[1732] Do you know the actress?

[1733] Aubrey Plaza.

[1734] She had a stroke.

[1735] I listened to you guys.

[1736] I listened to Aubrey.

[1737] Yes.

[1738] I was, fuck.

[1739] Isn't that crazy?

[1740] It's mental.

[1741] Yeah.

[1742] But what she had, it seems, it was like, a lot of strokes that then kept happening.

[1743] Yes.

[1744] Which is a slightly different thing to what I had, which was two aneurisms when your brain is being formed I'm going to bore you with a brief bit of science that someone will probably write in or you even will look up and be like that was wrong immediately you should probably know of others a lot more than you do so yeah I was born with a weakness on my brain so when your brain is being formed you got your one cell and there's a weakness and as it forms into the two sides that weakness becomes mirrored so I had that season one of the show we wrapped that I went to LA for the first time for the second time sorry for the first time to do press came home was not in a good place feeling really funky and then was in the gym can you explain the funky feeling a little bit better because I'm a hypochondriac and I think no it was more the enormity no more the enormity of the fact that I just wrapped this show and had done press and was just in like a I don't know what is going on and feel really strange and kind of panicky and kind of stressed and oh my God and this is crazy and all la la and it was more that so I had a lot of pressure in my head anyway.

[1745] You're like in the countryside, living in a bubble, and then you parachute into like the most glitzy, glammy, all that shit.

[1746] And it fucked me up for 100%.

[1747] So I always see the brain hemorrhages as a good thing.

[1748] Not as much a good thing, but there's like a, it's good that they happen to me at this time, weirdly, I think.

[1749] Okay.

[1750] Here's my positive spin on it.

[1751] So anyway, I'm in the gym and it hemorrhages.

[1752] And so I'm in the plank and I get this pain unlike any other.

[1753] kind of like it's hemorrhaging of any kind blood in the body where it's not meant to be is just probably the most amount of pain you could probably you could handle as a human and so this is happening and my trainer was like what do you mean you have a headache you're in the plank like I expect your abs to hurt but not your head yeah right so I crawl to the loo and then be violently ill and the headache is crazy and I'm mid throwing up going I'm I'm losing some part of my brain I can sense this I don't know how I knew that if you throw up and you have a headache, that those two things mean brain damage.

[1754] And is your focus, like, are you feeling that, yeah, you're having like, you're in and out of...

[1755] Oh, my God, yeah.

[1756] So basically, in that moment where I was, like, throwing up mad headache and, like, crazy amounts of pain.

[1757] So I started wiggling my fingers and my toes, and I was like, I am, I said my full name.

[1758] This is where I, that's like a weird twitch that I do now, if I ever feel weird, I say my full name to double check that I'm, then I was like, who your parents, What was the last thing that you shot?

[1759] Think of a bit of Dothraki.

[1760] Fight, fight, fight, fight, fight.

[1761] You will not be brain damaged.

[1762] I will not be brain damaged.

[1763] I'm just about to be an actor.

[1764] This is not how this shit's going to go down.

[1765] I have to live.

[1766] Like, I have to live.

[1767] Like, this is not going to happen here.

[1768] Anyway, so the ambulance comes a little bit.

[1769] Really quick.

[1770] One of the times it's not awesome to be famous.

[1771] Oh, yeah.

[1772] Because like when you're leaving the commode where you've just thrown up and you're all fucked up.

[1773] And people are like, hey, I want to.

[1774] You're like, no, this is a very bad time.

[1775] but for real a bad time.

[1776] Yes, yes, exactly, exactly.

[1777] Well, this was early enough for no one to really know who I was, but the second brain image, that was a fucking issue.

[1778] Okay, okay.

[1779] That was like, I don't like this.

[1780] But so anyways, I have this thing, and then I survive by the skin of my teeth.

[1781] You get rushed to the hospital.

[1782] Get rush to the hospital.

[1783] No one knew what it was.

[1784] No one knew what it was.

[1785] So no one knew what it was for a while.

[1786] Oh, for how long?

[1787] So I wasn't allowed any painkillers for a while.

[1788] Oh, Jesus.

[1789] I'm in like A &E and N. London on a Saturday night at this point.

[1790] And the nurse who saw me, her husband was a brain surgeon and she was like, I think I know what this is.

[1791] Let's get you in for a brain scan.

[1792] And then they saw that there was massive amounts of bleeding on the brain.

[1793] They're like, right.

[1794] So now we know what to do.

[1795] I managed to have the good fortune of getting to the right hospital to take care of that.

[1796] The next morning we have the surgery.

[1797] So they go through an archer in your groin.

[1798] Oh, your feet.

[1799] And they go up, exactly.

[1800] And they go up around your heart and into your brain.

[1801] Oh, my God.

[1802] Wow.

[1803] And so where the weakness was in the vein, in my brain, the blood, as it pumps around your body, faster and faster and faster, it forms a little bubble on that weakness because it's not robust enough to just keep it going.

[1804] And the brain hemorrhage itself is that bubble bursts.

[1805] Is it an embolism before it pops?

[1806] Is it an embolism?

[1807] And then when it pops, it's an aneurysm?

[1808] No, it's aneurysm before it pops.

[1809] Oh, and then when it pops, it's a hemorrhage.

[1810] Yeah.

[1811] If I know what embolism is, okay.

[1812] Okay.

[1813] So then as your blood is continuing to pump around your body, it's now escaping out.

[1814] And when that happens, you lose a bit of your brain.

[1815] Because as soon as there's a part of your brain that doesn't get blood to it, it just dies in that moment.

[1816] It's what a stroke is.

[1817] And so they got where that hole was and put copper wires to stop the blood from escaping any further and continue going around.

[1818] Oh, my God.

[1819] And because I was young, I didn't lose anything that was affected my cognitive function.

[1820] Exactly.

[1821] But I saw that I had, and they saw that I had another one on the other side.

[1822] Anyway, so three weeks in hospital, hell, terrible, had this thing called dysphasia, which is essentially where you're locked in, so you can't speak.

[1823] But you know what's going on.

[1824] Amelia.

[1825] For three weeks you had that?

[1826] No, I had that for about three days.

[1827] Again, I was young enough that they ended up pumping me full of adrenaline that got rid of it.

[1828] Yeah, so that was super difficult.

[1829] It's got to be the most claustrophobic kind of panicky feeling you could have.

[1830] Yeah, I just wasn't making any sense.

[1831] Yeah, it was pretty dark.

[1832] Oh, my gosh.

[1833] But anyway, so we get through all of that and I'm okay.

[1834] And then I leave hospital and within about five weeks, I was back to work.

[1835] Can I ask you a really quick question about that?

[1836] At any point during this, are you like, oh my God, this is going to be public?

[1837] This is embarrassing or this is, I just don't want to be associated with it.

[1838] Did any of that cross your mind?

[1839] They had to wait to figure out that I wasn't going to die before they could tell HBO what had happened and that was probably about as much as I was ever going to tell anyone right and isn't it funny because why like I agree I can relate yet I know well like it's some weakness of character that you had aneurism or something I think because I was so it was almost like it was never even an option of me saying it to anyone yeah so I was just like well I need to figure out what this is and I don't want to give that to anyone else to figure out for me what they think it is because I need to work out what this is for me and I want to get back to work I'm fucking here on a wing and I hope and a prayer I'm like a young Brit with zero experience who's probably not very good and Lord knows what this is and I'll be fired in a second so my god I need to like prove to them that I'm worth being here and me having a brain image isn't going to help well it's just a deeply personal experience that anything that deeply personal you're probably not excited to have the world you know exactly exactly Yeah.

[1840] So we didn't really tell many people the second season was really difficult because you have this thing called fatigue, regardless of what, of whatever kind of brain injury you get, whether you have the misfortune of having a serious lifelong injury or whether you're just like me and you just, you miraculously escaped with everything intact, but you do have fatigue.

[1841] So filming hours were just like, I was supping on morphine trying desperately to get through the day.

[1842] like just really really but then did you feel like were you nervous that was going to affect acting oh i thought it was i thought the thing that was gone was my ability to act and i consistently think that then the second one happened and then i was really like well that's it i'm never going to act again this isn't the first one was 2013 or no the first one was 2011 and the second was 2013 after the first one do you go oh my god i'm vulnerable to this are you obsessed with it happening again again.

[1843] No, the first one happened and I was, it wasn't, is this going to happen again because they were like, you have this one on the other side, we just need to be aware of it.

[1844] But it was more that, so this is, this is my experience of being nearly fatally ill, is that you're in hospital for X amount of time.

[1845] This goes for anything.

[1846] You could have cancer, you could have a broken leg, you could be getting your tooth out, whatever it is.

[1847] You're in hospital for X amount of time.

[1848] And in that time, everyone is telling you that you are sick.

[1849] Everyone is telling that you need to take care.

[1850] Everyone is telling that you need these beeps and you need these pills and you need these things and you need to be watched and it's constant and you're surrounded by other sick people and then you fucking leave and you're like oh all I wanted was a fresh air and a bath and now I'm here and I'm not allowed to be here because you've just told me for three weeks that I'm ill and that I need to take care of my and what am I?

[1851] I'm not safe I don't feel safe and with brain injuries I found that it's not just me that thinks this but as soon as that happens it's where your brain is, it's where your personality is, it's where your soul is, it's where you is.

[1852] Yes, exactly.

[1853] As soon as that becomes something you're calling into question, and that can be on any level with mental health as well, but especially with an injury where you're like, my body failed me. Yeah.

[1854] How in God's name, and am I expected to wake up every morning and feel safe within myself so you get super protective of yourself because you're like I have this invisible thing yeah you can't see that I'm sick but I know that I am so bit by bit carefully carefully you build yourself back up and build your resilience back up and you build your kind of your trust back up in yourself but it takes a second yeah well when you do you're robust as fuck because you're like hey hey I saw the other side and I'm good I think that's the thing with trauma in general which is like, oh, the trauma of being molested is simply that I believe that the people on earth were all benevolent and nice.

[1855] And then someone shatters your worldview.

[1856] And you go, oh, at eight years old, there are bad guys.

[1857] There are people around that are going to try to take advantage of you.

[1858] It's such a radical shift in your worldview that it's very scary.

[1859] So similarly, you've never worried about your brain, your health.

[1860] We don't spend much time thinking about it.

[1861] Right.

[1862] And now all of a sudden, and you go, oh, I'm in this world where my brain can hemorrhage.

[1863] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[1864] It's very worldview changing, right?

[1865] Yeah, so it was that for a minute for a little while.

[1866] And then I was doing the show on Broadway, end of my sad medical.

[1867] And I was like, I'll just go get a brain scan while I'm here.

[1868] And while it's paid for.

[1869] And so I went in and they were like, whoa, this other one's doubled in size.

[1870] We need to operate now.

[1871] And we'll have a preventative surgery.

[1872] Nothing will go wrong.

[1873] So I was like, okay, fine.

[1874] scary but okay fine and in that surgery as often happens it went wrong oh the coils got stuck and i had a major bleed oh so it was a much bigger stroke they woke me up on the table and were like we need to crack your head open and fix this can you do that and mean so i'd gone to sleep being like peace out see you in two hours and i woke up in like the excruciate wake me up when the percissette's here yeah exactly and so that was Way more life or death than the last one.

[1875] My mom and dad were there.

[1876] They came in.

[1877] Yeah.

[1878] And they shaved some of your head and they?

[1879] They were amazing.

[1880] They didn't.

[1881] I have a scar from here to here.

[1882] So from my ear to like the very top of my forehead in the middle.

[1883] And because they obviously knew what my job was, they shaved the minimal amount.

[1884] So they kept some hair on this side and they kept some hair on that side.

[1885] I can't tell a goddamn thing right now looking at you.

[1886] Thanks.

[1887] And what was the recovery time from?

[1888] that that was mega because with the other one my body could handle it more but when you have literal when someone cracks your brain when they get a sorry listeners you get a sore and you cut open your skull and then they stitch that puppy back together again that's such an epic amount of trauma for your body yes and then ironically every time I left the hospital I bang my head every single time every taxi I got into I was like douche damn it's the one thing I'm meant to be taking care of and I can't take care of it wow but that was really difficult I come from a family raised to be like it you're never allowed to say poor me yeah like no pity is not a fucking emotion that we have in this household so like take it elsewhere and with the second one I was just like I'm trying really really really hard to not be like why did it happen again yeah but it sucked because I was only just getting over the first one and then the second one and but all of these things led me to go, I mean, I literally, I'm in like the 0 .0 % to have had what I've had and to survive with no major repercussions.

[1889] And now, because they're both done, I have more of an understanding of what's going on in my brain than most people.

[1890] Yeah.

[1891] So I get to be like, oh no, I'm completely fine.

[1892] Like I should never do cocaine.

[1893] That's pretty much it.

[1894] Well, it's very good though.

[1895] No, don't do it.

[1896] It smells great as what it is.

[1897] It smells really.

[1898] Let's get your nose in there.

[1899] Okay, so obviously, as a result of all that, you started Same You, which is to broaden neuro -rehabilitation, access for young people after they have brain injuries or strokes.

[1900] Yes.

[1901] But here you've started a charity to help people.

[1902] It's very admirable.

[1903] And so what are the mechanics of that?

[1904] How do you promote it, raise money?

[1905] How do people get involved with it?

[1906] Yeah.

[1907] So this was something that we started, it started as me wanting to get a sofa for the family room in the first.

[1908] first hospital because my family would come in with like cricks in their necks and be like, yeah, we're fine, we're happy to sleep there.

[1909] It's totally fine.

[1910] You guys are fucking uncomfortable and I'm in hospital and you look less comfortable than I do.

[1911] So it started as that and then I just wanted to give it back.

[1912] I just wanted to give back so badly because I was so beautifully taken care of and I was so grateful to be alive, literally.

[1913] And then the second one happened and I was like, okay, this is crazy.

[1914] Like I'm alive again.

[1915] I cheated death once more.

[1916] This is absolutely insane.

[1917] I have to help people because I was in the very fortunate position of being able to have a supportive, loving family and people around me to be able to hold me up and make sure that I was okay.

[1918] Yeah.

[1919] And this thing that I was talking about, about you leave hospital and you feel scared, regardless of what the thing is.

[1920] So there is this huge white space at the moment for brain injury, which is recovery.

[1921] Right.

[1922] You go in and they fix your brain, but no one fixes your mind.

[1923] And it's such a head fuck, for one of a better phrase.

[1924] Yeah.

[1925] Dealing with that.

[1926] So I wanted to be able to offer services to, especially young people, because there's so much more life you have yet to live when you then have to live with the knowledge and with the memories of an experience that either you're dealing with physically and mentally or just mentally.

[1927] Yeah.

[1928] We've got some really exciting things coming up with what we've been, some big, big, big news.

[1929] But the other part of it is the Royal College of Nurses Foundation and I have partnered together.

[1930] and we're creating a nurse rehabilitation program that will train nurses to deal with brain injury in this new white space that deals with mind, body, soul.

[1931] Because you leave a hospital and my goal with what this charity is, is for someone who's had a brain injury, for someone to stand next to them, and to hold their hand and look at them in the eye and go, I can answer all your questions.

[1932] Yeah.

[1933] You are not alone.

[1934] You are safe.

[1935] I'm going to be here every second.

[1936] Great.

[1937] So people who have been through it are now, is that, is that the model?

[1938] Yes.

[1939] There's nothing more comforting than having someone who's been through the exact same thing as you have tell you, oh, and I'm on the other side of it.

[1940] Exactly.

[1941] Or I'm largely on the other side of it.

[1942] Yeah.

[1943] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1944] Oh, that's great.

[1945] So how do you curate the folks that are going to volunteer or help with that?

[1946] Yeah, so we're six months old.

[1947] Oh, okay.

[1948] So I've been, we've been building it for like four years, but again, quietly.

[1949] And I raised a bunch of money with this O'May's thing that I did for there's a Spaulding Research Centre in Boston that is doing a huge amount of research into the effects of brain injury on young people, singularly.

[1950] And what are the main factors in how can we therefore change our care to be able to be focused on things that we should be focused on?

[1951] So I raised money for that.

[1952] And then we've got so much incoming that we're kind of trying now to figure out.

[1953] how best to manage all of those different things.

[1954] Right, how to pair people and all that.

[1955] Yeah, exactly.

[1956] Because we've got lots of people doing lots of kind of sports things for us.

[1957] And then we've got this big exciting new development that's coming up.

[1958] And in what ways can the people who are.

[1959] So we were inundated with something we weren't expecting.

[1960] Oh, that's great.

[1961] When we first launched, we got more good stuff than we ever.

[1962] That's wonderful.

[1963] Now, today, what percentage of your thought goes to that?

[1964] Yeah, I mean, what happens is now I know for a solid fact that I'll never have another brain hemorrhage, ever, but there is a miniature part of my brain that when I get a headache, which is not connected with, by the way, if you get headaches, you're not having a brain hemorrhage.

[1965] Right, good to know, good for me to really isn't.

[1966] Like my surgeons, I was like, I'm getting headaches and they were like, so do people, so do normal people, no people get headaches.

[1967] Drink water, you'll be fine.

[1968] Do you know what I mean?

[1969] but every time I get a headache and it's really, really, really bad there'll be a tiny little bit that'll be like a little panic.

[1970] And then I'll say Amelia is well you've seen me a rose clock six times in my head and I'll be like hey crazy lady, everything's fine.

[1971] Kristen was doing this movie Couples retreat.

[1972] We were in Bora Bora and I was just there hanging and I would jump off in the morning the over the water bungalow.

[1973] I would jump off the railing into the water and I did it one morning and I landed really kind of hard Enough where I was like, oh, fuck, I feel like I might get a concussion.

[1974] I went inside.

[1975] I wrote notes everywhere all over the hotel room.

[1976] You jumped off the balcony at, you know, 9 .30 a .m. Yeah.

[1977] I just started frantically writing notes everywhere because I'm like, I'm going to be on a loop here by myself.

[1978] She's filming.

[1979] And so she came back to the room.

[1980] There's just notes everywhere.

[1981] There was like, you did this at this time and blah, blah, blah.

[1982] At least know what that panic is like of like, oh, fuck, I got to prepare right now while I'm still thinking clearly.

[1983] Yeah, no, exactly.

[1984] So the only thing that is the repercussion for me is a kind of muscle memory trauma thing.

[1985] Yeah, exactly, exactly.

[1986] Yeah.

[1987] Well, I'm going to tell you something, Amelia.

[1988] You deliver in real life.

[1989] Yeah, you do.

[1990] You really deliver up.

[1991] Yeah, you do.

[1992] Nice.

[1993] It's hard to live up to the calise.

[1994] Thank you.

[1995] We love you.

[1996] We're so flattered.

[1997] Thank you so much.

[1998] Thanks for giving us so much of your time.

[1999] He's now, Jared.

[2000] Well, we adore you.

[2001] Please come back.

[2002] That show will.

[2003] And now my favorite part of the show, the fact check with my soulmate Monica Padman.

[2004] Last Christmas, I made a small fart.

[2005] Then this Christmas it tore us apart.

[2006] Last Christmas.

[2007] Is that it?

[2008] Yeah, it's only two verses and I didn't even do it.

[2009] That's not a verse.

[2010] Two lines.

[2011] And I didn't do it as like I did yesterday.

[2012] I had it really dialed yesterday, but now I've lost it.

[2013] And you did it on purpose because this movie Last Christmas?

[2014] No, but that's a fun coincidence.

[2015] I didn't know if you knew what you were doing.

[2016] This is for Amelia's.

[2017] Last Christmas, I made a small fart.

[2018] Then I realized it tore us apart.

[2019] Oh, wow.

[2020] That's still not it.

[2021] What are the real words?

[2022] Last Christmas, I gave you my heart the very next day.

[2023] You gave it away?

[2024] You tore it apart?

[2025] I think it's, you gave it away.

[2026] Oh, I thought it rhymes with a sad song.

[2027] Oh, but it doesn't even rhyme?

[2028] Yeah.

[2029] I gave you my heart.

[2030] The very next day you tore it apart.

[2031] No, no, no. It's rhyming day and away.

[2032] Oh, oh, oh, my goodness.

[2033] I had to teach you about rhymes now?

[2034] Yes, please do.

[2035] How do they work?

[2036] That's Christmas.

[2037] I gave you my heart.

[2038] The very next day you gave it away.

[2039] Yes.

[2040] I'm never right about lyrics.

[2041] I feel good.

[2042] The very next day you gave it away?

[2043] Yeah.

[2044] Yeah, it's a sad song.

[2045] Okay, hold on, though.

[2046] Still, let's make it about a fart.

[2047] Okay.

[2048] Because that's why she gave his heart away.

[2049] Okay.

[2050] Last Christmas, I made a small fire.

[2051] Very next day, you threw me away.

[2052] Because of the fart?

[2053] Yeah, it ended their relationship.

[2054] Oh, man, that's a sad story, too.

[2055] I know.

[2056] She did not want him to fart on Christmas.

[2057] Not on a holy holiday.

[2058] She's really upset about that.

[2059] Jesus's birthday.

[2060] But Jesus.

[2061] That's probably farted?

[2062] That's a great question.

[2063] Did he ever fart?

[2064] If he was the son of God, there's no reason he would have needed to fart unless God was like, I want my son to know what it's truly like to be human, so he must have gas to truly understand these creatures I created.

[2065] Okay, but you know also Jesus was real, and he farted.

[2066] Well, yes, there really was a man named Jesus Christos.

[2067] Jesus was a nice man. Clearly, carpenter.

[2068] Yeah.

[2069] Great message.

[2070] And forgive thy neighbor.

[2071] And I'm sure he farted.

[2072] Has there ever been?

[2073] Does he think they smell awesome?

[2074] If he can turn water into wine, someone was pointing out that all the miracles he performed modern man could perform.

[2075] So he turned water into wine, which if you had Kool -Aid back then, zero BC, and you added Kool -Aid to water, people would be like, what the fuck just happened?

[2076] He made this into wine.

[2077] But it's not wine.

[2078] It's Kool -Aid.

[2079] But they wouldn't know that until they didn't get drunk.

[2080] Okay, well, this is a stretch.

[2081] This is a big stretch.

[2082] He turned water into wine.

[2083] He walked on water.

[2084] I can do that.

[2085] I can water ski.

[2086] I can jet ski.

[2087] I can all ways to walk on water.

[2088] He might have just been from the future.

[2089] From 1989, Kool -Aid jet skis.

[2090] Okay.

[2091] He parted the seas.

[2092] How do you do that?

[2093] I can't part a sea, but I could build a dam.

[2094] That would just stop a sea.

[2095] What if I built two dams and then just emptied the middle?

[2096] okay sure this is a bad example anyways we're getting stressed they're all let's be honest bad example no cool the kool -aid one's really good no it's not because that's not wine but that's just sugar well no there's food coloring sugar and food coloring that's all kool -aid is you have to imagine you're a 12 bc person you've never seen red fluid right other than blood sure point is is that person's going to write down oh i watch this man perform a miracle he turned water into wine my point is i could go back to 12 BC right now with a packet of Kool -Aid and they would think I turned water into wine.

[2097] That's my point.

[2098] You'd be tricking them.

[2099] Of course.

[2100] Right, right.

[2101] Of course.

[2102] Anyway, last Christmas.

[2103] Yes, it's a movie starring.

[2104] Amelia Clark and you didn't even mean that?

[2105] That's crazy.

[2106] That's really crazy, isn't it?

[2107] Because I started singing it yesterday.

[2108] Wow.

[2109] I wonder if you subconsciously remembered that because we were talking about it for her episode.

[2110] I know exactly what it is.

[2111] Okay.

[2112] Because it's too coincidental.

[2113] It just confirms that I'm in your father's simulation.

[2114] Oh.

[2115] Because my dad cares about this or?

[2116] Well, it's just, it's his simulation.

[2117] So there's going to be lots of coincidence.

[2118] Oh, all right.

[2119] Okay.

[2120] It seems like the architects are paying a little too much attention to detail if they're making this coincidence.

[2121] Because my dad wouldn't really care about this.

[2122] No, he wouldn't.

[2123] He won't.

[2124] At all.

[2125] Not at all.

[2126] So he needs this show to be good for his simulation.

[2127] Okay.

[2128] So he planted, the architect planted the sea to me yesterday.

[2129] I'm accidentally doing it.

[2130] It's perfect timing.

[2131] It looks like I'm a genius and I came up to a song for her thing.

[2132] I mean, I'm using the word genius loosely.

[2133] Yeah, I wouldn't say, you wouldn't quite say that.

[2134] Right.

[2135] Anyways, I do think that this is all part of his.

[2136] We've been talking about the topic of genius lately.

[2137] Yes.

[2138] Yeah, it's been a longstanding.

[2139] It's not a debate.

[2140] We're just like flushing out, fleshing out some, like, thoughts on what is genius?

[2141] Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[2142] And you have a kind of specific definition, which I think holds water.

[2143] Yeah, because I guess me and you are sort of budding up against the idea of talent versus genius.

[2144] And I think they're very separate.

[2145] And I think you think they're a little more mixed.

[2146] I do, yeah.

[2147] Especially when you get into like a realm of only four people can do it on planet Earth out of seven billion people.

[2148] When you get into that realm, to me, that points to genius.

[2149] Yeah.

[2150] And I understand where you don't think so.

[2151] I think the point you made, which is really good, is incumbent on a genius, or to be defined as a genius, you must further your discipline and break new ground.

[2152] Yes, and you have to be seeing whatever it is in your field.

[2153] You have to be seeing things like four steps ahead.

[2154] Like, you have to be anticipating where the field is going to go, see things that no one can see it.

[2155] And also connected to that is like starting something from scratch.

[2156] Okay, again, but this is where I'll go like, okay, so Frozen One, I read that script.

[2157] Yeah.

[2158] What Kristen did wasn't there.

[2159] It wasn't on the page.

[2160] And it kind of, it pushed that thing in a direction, I think, was ultimately really positive and unique and fresh.

[2161] And it was all her interpretation of that written script.

[2162] Yeah.

[2163] I think there's some genius there.

[2164] I totally understand.

[2165] I think you have a very valid point.

[2166] But I think we need room for like, they can't only be like writers.

[2167] And I even mean writers in terms of like writers of theories, relativity, you know, authors of things.

[2168] I wouldn't even call those people writers, though.

[2169] They had to write it down.

[2170] But to me, Those are not writers.

[2171] They're scientists.

[2172] Creators is what I guess I met.

[2173] Yeah.

[2174] Do you have to be a creator to be a genius?

[2175] Well, I think implicit and genius is creation.

[2176] Do you think a dancer can be genius?

[2177] Like some of these ballerinas or Mikhail Baryshnikov?

[2178] I think I would only categorize them as genius if they are making the dance up.

[2179] They invented a new discipline.

[2180] Right.

[2181] They either invented a new discipline or they're choreographing these dances themselves.

[2182] So they're seeing something out of nothing.

[2183] But just being, I don't know if Mikhail Baryshnakov can do that or he's just a phenomenal.

[2184] Executor of some other.

[2185] Phenomenal, hyper -talented dancer.

[2186] I'm more likely to put the person whom, created Swan Lake in the genius category as opposed to the dancer who can execute it, even though I think that person is incredibly talented.

[2187] Yeah, it's interesting.

[2188] I just think that there's very few people that could have read Frozen and turned it into what she turned it into.

[2189] Like, I don't think that's a skill barely anyone has.

[2190] I can't think of another person that could have done it that can sing and do that and make the character three -dimensional and create an archetype that we're not even seen in a Disney princess movie.

[2191] Somehow, to get from that written script that I read to what it is, I think there's some genius there.

[2192] Yeah, that's nice.

[2193] You think your wife's a genius.

[2194] I think that's lovely.

[2195] Yeah.

[2196] Oh, I wrote something here that I wanted to talk about.

[2197] I was listening to a podcast that I listened to.

[2198] The Bachelor podcast?

[2199] Yes, a girl that was on The Bachelor, Melissa Ryecroft.

[2200] Is that the one we saw at Beaches?

[2201] No, but that was the same season.

[2202] That was Molly and Jason.

[2203] Jason was the Bachelor.

[2204] And he picked Melissa and then picked his second choice, Molly.

[2205] I loved how excited you were that they were there.

[2206] It made me like you so much more.

[2207] I get very excited by Bachelors.

[2208] I know.

[2209] You know, in the revelation that you listen to a Bachelor podcast, I love.

[2210] I like it.

[2211] Yeah.

[2212] It's Melissa and her husband, Ty, and it's called Logically Irrational.

[2213] I'm going to give them a big shout out.

[2214] Give them a big old shouty.

[2215] It's called Logically Irrational.

[2216] They talk a lot about reality TV, which I'm not super up to date on.

[2217] So I generally listen to the first half because that's them just chatting.

[2218] And on one of the episodes recently, this is going to come really full circle because I heard this and then maybe they'll hear this.

[2219] Oh, gosh.

[2220] Wow, wow.

[2221] What if this just keeps spiraling up?

[2222] Yeah, yeah.

[2223] Keeps bouncing back and forth.

[2224] But they were talking about our episode with Kate and Ollie.

[2225] Yeah.

[2226] It was a huge pop out for me because I am in my bed.

[2227] You're just laying in bed.

[2228] Laying in bed.

[2229] Get ready to go to sleep.

[2230] Turn this on.

[2231] And you're the subject of their talk.

[2232] Well, you are.

[2233] Well, you are.

[2234] We are.

[2235] I mean, I'm not.

[2236] You are.

[2237] But no, I don't come up.

[2238] once.

[2239] But we as an entity are.

[2240] It felt so weird.

[2241] Very meta.

[2242] Yeah, I don't, yeah.

[2243] It feels like the simulation.

[2244] Yes, my dad's simulation's getting a little out of hand.

[2245] It's pretty on the nose, yeah.

[2246] He got like a package.

[2247] Like, I think when he picked his simulation, it was like you could pick between like super realistic, a little heightened or like fairy tale.

[2248] And I think he might have picked fairy tale.

[2249] That's nice.

[2250] Yeah, good for him.

[2251] If you're going to pick, why not do it?

[2252] Well, that's the true.

[2253] Who wouldn't pick fairy tale?

[2254] Well, some people love Verisimilitude.

[2255] Maybe he's like, I wanted to feel extra real.

[2256] Oh.

[2257] They just said Rosenbaum's podcast, too.

[2258] Melissa and Ty?

[2259] I think so.

[2260] These aren't them.

[2261] Okay.

[2262] Wavi Love was wrong.

[2263] And I stopped, to be fair, I stopped watching Bachelor a while ago, but I do, this is so embarrassing.

[2264] I do sometimes watch old episodes of The Bachelor from that season.

[2265] I have like four episodes downloaded on a while.

[2266] iTunes.

[2267] Every now and then I need to feel safe.

[2268] I watch some of that.

[2269] Can I ask you some questions about this?

[2270] Sure.

[2271] I'm serious.

[2272] So you're laying in bed.

[2273] Yeah.

[2274] And by the way, I'm I've never heard them.

[2275] So I'm not being critical of them at all.

[2276] So I'm picturing you lying in bed and you're listening to your two favorite bachelors.

[2277] Well, one.

[2278] One?

[2279] She's not, she wasn't on the bachelor?

[2280] No. No. She was a contestant on the show.

[2281] She won but then got broken up with.

[2282] But Her podcast is with her current husband.

[2283] Oh, who was not on the back?

[2284] No. Oh, okay.

[2285] Okay, great.

[2286] I'm so sorry.

[2287] Honestly, I'm trying my heart.

[2288] It's okay.

[2289] So when you're listening, they're just chatting.

[2290] Yeah.

[2291] And you, it feels like, like, oh, they're in love.

[2292] Is that what the...

[2293] Oh, is that the appeal?

[2294] Yeah, what's the appeal?

[2295] Well, I do like that, of course.

[2296] Yeah.

[2297] That's a nice...

[2298] Well, that's not necessarily your brand.

[2299] It's not like you love romance stories.

[2300] No, I love romance stories.

[2301] Oh.

[2302] Oh, my God.

[2303] Well, all the shows we've watched, no, listen, all the shows that we've consumed together in the last six years, they're not in the genre of romance.

[2304] We don't watch 50 Shades of Grey.

[2305] Oh, I would not call that.

[2306] We don't watch Twilight.

[2307] No. We don't watch romance movies or TV shows.

[2308] Well, TV shows, depending.

[2309] There's normally a romance in most TV shows.

[2310] Game of Thrones.

[2311] Yeah, all of the shows.

[2312] And I like that part.

[2313] They wouldn't be in the genre of romance.

[2314] There's a genre of romance.

[2315] Okay, yeah.

[2316] Everything, what's her name's been in that was in, Wedding Crashers?

[2317] Rachel McAddham.

[2318] Nearly everything she's in would be filed under the romance category.

[2319] You're right.

[2320] You know, there's certain directors.

[2321] They direct romantic movies.

[2322] Yeah.

[2323] And so what I'm finding out is that you really like that.

[2324] Well, I do.

[2325] I mean, I love rom -coms.

[2326] Well, I know you do.

[2327] Well, yes, that's what's something you and Mindy share.

[2328] in common.

[2329] Oh, yeah.

[2330] Mindy Kaling, she loves her rom -coms.

[2331] And you do too, and I knew that about you.

[2332] Right.

[2333] And you think that's an Indian thing.

[2334] I think it's a, not Indian specific, but I think, uh, growing up feeling like excluded or on the outside of those types of relationships.

[2335] Yeah, yeah.

[2336] It makes, it heightens those.

[2337] I think, yeah.

[2338] I'm sure that's all true.

[2339] Anyways.

[2340] So when you're listening to them talk.

[2341] Yeah.

[2342] Are you like, oh, I wish I was in this relationship.

[2343] No. No. What feelings are you having during it?

[2344] Do you get horny listening?

[2345] No, my goodness.

[2346] Stop being offended.

[2347] I'm just trying to.

[2348] No, they wouldn't like that.

[2349] You said that.

[2350] Oh, I'm sorry.

[2351] They make you horny?

[2352] They wouldn't love that.

[2353] No, they're, they're pretty conservative.

[2354] Yeah.

[2355] I don't know why.

[2356] I just, for some reason, I find them comforting.

[2357] I think it's because she reminds me of an old time in my life.

[2358] Oh, okay.

[2359] So there's like a nostalgia.

[2360] I think, but they have a fun banter and I like, it's, I like listening to it.

[2361] Well, clearly they're entertaining or you wouldn't listen to them.

[2362] Right.

[2363] So anyway, but they started talking about the episode and I did get really like on edge.

[2364] You were waiting.

[2365] I was waiting to hear something negative.

[2366] You and I are so similar in that way.

[2367] Well, because she was talking about you and Kate's flirtiness and the way you communicate and how like you clearly.

[2368] Even when you, when you, you, you type this to me and I read the word flirty, I then prepared for a terrible outcome.

[2369] Right.

[2370] See, yes, exactly.

[2371] Like it was inappropriate or something.

[2372] Yeah.

[2373] And she was mainly just like questioning two exes together talking, what does that bring up?

[2374] And, you know, should there be the flirtiness or what would the wife think?

[2375] All these things.

[2376] Anyway, but it, but.

[2377] Well, let's just make a statement really quick for America, because there were a few, very, very few.

[2378] But there are a few comments on Instagram.

[2379] You guys don't need to worry about Kristen.

[2380] Yeah.

[2381] I don't do anything that Kristen hasn't approved or feel great about.

[2382] So no one needs to worry.

[2383] She's a very confident person.

[2384] She knew Kate was coming in.

[2385] She could care less.

[2386] Yeah.

[2387] And she'll let me know if there's an issue.

[2388] So no one needs to really be protective of her.

[2389] She's quite able to protect herself.

[2390] Yeah.

[2391] And I mean, I think we all sort of operate under the notion that, just because something ends doesn't mean it has to disappear or that you have to shut off feelings completely and you can sort of stay in healthy boundaries and keep these human relationships positive.

[2392] Anyway, but they only talked about it for a minute, but I was very on edge.

[2393] Did you feel like you were being filmed?

[2394] Yeah, I felt like they were like in my house or something.

[2395] It was such a weird feeling.

[2396] It broke the fourth wall.

[2397] It's crazy.

[2398] Yeah, well, you loved it ultimately, right?

[2399] Because it didn't, it wasn't negative.

[2400] It was not negative.

[2401] And they called, and they said that they acknowledged that you were really smart.

[2402] I liked that.

[2403] Oh, that makes me happy.

[2404] No, I'm big fans.

[2405] Wait, no, a big fan, fan of theirs.

[2406] Yeah, sure.

[2407] Yeah.

[2408] Calisi.

[2409] Yes, Amelia Clark was so exciting to have her.

[2410] She was so fun.

[2411] So fun.

[2412] Could I just say that?

[2413] Of course.

[2414] You know, you come to know her as the Calisi, and then you meet her and she's this young Yeah, she has sort of a lightness to her, which is sort of not what Colise is.

[2415] No dragons.

[2416] She didn't bring her dragons now, which I was a little disappointed about.

[2417] But that's okay.

[2418] Next time.

[2419] Well, one of them's dead.

[2420] Or they're all dead.

[2421] She's dead.

[2422] Everyone's dead.

[2423] Spoiler alert.

[2424] So you said prosecutorial.

[2425] And then you wondered if that was a word.

[2426] Sure.

[2427] I still do as you say it.

[2428] It is a word.

[2429] It is a word.

[2430] to the institution and conducting of legal proceedings against someone in respect of a criminal charge.

[2431] So you were right.

[2432] Oh, I got lucky.

[2433] And then we talked about knighthood.

[2434] Oh, sure.

[2435] Because you wondered, does that get passed down, even though knighthood is something you earn?

[2436] Right.

[2437] Can you just be born into, like a lord?

[2438] You're just born into being a lord, right?

[2439] But that's a class.

[2440] And knighthood is a thing that happens.

[2441] But it says it's not inherited, it must be earned.

[2442] but knighthood grants nobility, and at the instant of its dubbing, the new knight goes from being a commoner to being a noble.

[2443] And then all his progeny are nobles?

[2444] And the knight's nobility is inherited by the first generation of his or her offspring.

[2445] Oh, great.

[2446] So that's cool.

[2447] Do you think, and I'm just guessing you've probably seen even bigger blind spots than this in my knowledge, but the thing I think I'm most ignorant about is the royal family.

[2448] Would you say that's probably true?

[2449] You don't know a lot about it.

[2450] I mean, I don't know anything.

[2451] When you say, like, Prince Charles should turn the throne over to Prince Henry or something, I don't know what you're talking about.

[2452] Sure, sure.

[2453] Well, I don't think.

[2454] I'm not proud of it.

[2455] I don't think Prince Henry is a person.

[2456] You're starting there.

[2457] Okay.

[2458] But I really am.

[2459] I have missed it somehow.

[2460] I don't know how I, I don't know any of their names.

[2461] Well, should we watch the crown?

[2462] Yes.

[2463] Because we'll learn about it.

[2464] Well, I know a little bit about Queen Elizabeth.

[2465] Was that who the crown's about?

[2466] Yeah.

[2467] Okay.

[2468] Do you?

[2469] No. I don't think you know anything about her.

[2470] Prince Charles is one of them, right?

[2471] Prince Charles is Queen Elizabeth's son.

[2472] I know about the late Lady Diane.

[2473] Diana.

[2474] That was not a joke.

[2475] I'm sorry to people who love Lady Diana.

[2476] Diana.

[2477] Princess Diana.

[2478] That was heartbreaking.

[2479] Of course.

[2480] That was a tragic young lady.

[2481] It was horrible.

[2482] It was horrible.

[2483] You know I wish we could have on Prince Harry, who's Princess Diana's son, youngest son, who's just now married to Megan Markle.

[2484] Okay.

[2485] Is that the redhead?

[2486] Yes.

[2487] I love him because he took those photos in Vegas with his butt cheeks out.

[2488] And I was like, this guy seems like a good time.

[2489] Of course.

[2490] Do you know about that?

[2491] Yes, of course.

[2492] And I was like, oh, he's a normal person.

[2493] He's got his butt cheeks out in a hotel room.

[2494] He's probably drunk.

[2495] That's why I want to talk to him because it seems like he probably the most has sort of butt up against some of this royal stuff.

[2496] The conventional.

[2497] He has sort of circled back around, I think.

[2498] But I think he wrote like a long article or something about maybe paparazzi, like privacy and his mom?

[2499] Well, the press is very mean to his wife, right?

[2500] Yeah.

[2501] I think he wrote something maybe in defense of her.

[2502] Right.

[2503] And then also talked about his mom in that and how the press basically killed her.

[2504] Yeah.

[2505] Yeah.

[2506] Although the driver was drunk.

[2507] Do you know that?

[2508] I didn't know that.

[2509] Yeah.

[2510] The driver of that Mercedes, they were in an S -500 Mercedes.

[2511] I'll never forget that.

[2512] And the driver had had drinks while waiting to pick them up.

[2513] God.

[2514] So that's, it's funny because, yes, paparazzi is a big element in it, but then I go to as well, my fear of like, I take, people drive me all the time.

[2515] I'm like, I don't know who's drunk.

[2516] People drive everyone all the time now.

[2517] Yeah.

[2518] And you don't know who's drunk.

[2519] I had a fucking raging addiction and I think the general population didn't realize.

[2520] Oof.

[2521] Yeah.

[2522] Yeah.

[2523] That part's scary.

[2524] Anyway, so.

[2525] I like the redhead, though.

[2526] He had great fucking buns.

[2527] He was some kind of athlete too, right?

[2528] Probably rugby.

[2529] Yeah, soccer.

[2530] He's in the military too, right?

[2531] They all got to go to the military.

[2532] That I don't know about.

[2533] I think he's with like other cadets.

[2534] Like now we feel like I'm knowing a bit about it.

[2535] You actually aren't.

[2536] You're just saying a bunch of random stuff.

[2537] You don't actually know anything.

[2538] I do like him knowing he's invited on and I'd love to talk to him.

[2539] Yeah, come on here.

[2540] I'm sure he listens.

[2541] I'm sure he's hearing it.

[2542] He's probably having the moment you had about the Bachelor podcast.

[2543] He's in his palace right now.

[2544] And he's like on a four post bed.

[2545] There's like hounds laying on the ground.

[2546] And he's like, They're talking about this.

[2547] Or maybe he listens to logically irrational.

[2548] And so when Melissa and Ty talked about our show, they were like, oh, there's this podcast.

[2549] You got to check this out.

[2550] Mygin.

[2551] Oh.

[2552] Are you talking about us?

[2553] Ew.

[2554] So bad.

[2555] It's not good at all.

[2556] It started as English and ended as Australian in three words.

[2557] Wow.

[2558] Yeah.

[2559] So you said Star Wars was, is the.

[2560] the biggest property of all time in film.

[2561] So then today I was looking at media franchising.

[2562] The biggest media franchise.

[2563] Now, that includes lots of things.

[2564] Merchandising.

[2565] Merchandising.

[2566] Video games, box office, and others.

[2567] Pokemon.

[2568] This is so embarrassing.

[2569] Now, I can't, I'm not speaking from a place of authority because I don't really know what Pokemon is, but what I have observed is they're just blobs.

[2570] I mean, it's so embarrassing to the world that that's the, number one fucking price it seems so not created they're blobs right well no they're yeah they're little animals barely what yes they're cartoon they're animated aren't they completely uncomplex and aren't they just circles and squares look they're doing something right we can't clearly 95 billion 95 billion you guys for blobs no okay i'll show you a colorful blobs and i thought it was for like six month olds no my god it's for older than six months old?

[2571] Yeah, remember Pokemon Go that like everyone was doing lately?

[2572] Oh, on their phone where there were Pokemon's hidden all of Mon's.

[2573] You find him.

[2574] Oh, Pokemonica.

[2575] That's a game you could play with your boyfriend.

[2576] Okay, look how cute he is.

[2577] Yeah, I could draw that.

[2578] That's a problem.

[2579] No, you could draw Princess Anna and Elsa.

[2580] No, I could not.

[2581] Yes, you could.

[2582] Kristen can.

[2583] She drew one on one of the talk shows she just did.

[2584] They had to draw their characters.

[2585] And it was unbelievable.

[2586] She's shockingly good at drawings.

[2587] She's very good of drawing.

[2588] And so are you.

[2589] Well, you've been doing a lot of drawing lately.

[2590] And it's been really good.

[2591] It's been really good.

[2592] I am really impressed by it.

[2593] You are, you are the wind in my sales.

[2594] And you actually got me thinking that, oh, I might dedicate a day a week to it as I get older.

[2595] I like that.

[2596] I like that.

[2597] Yeah.

[2598] What I do love is, you know, my process is I draw a picture.

[2599] And then I have to think of what the bubble would say.

[2600] And that's what.

[2601] And that's what's the most fun for me. It's thinking of what the character is either thinking or what their plan is.

[2602] And that is really fun.

[2603] They're funny.

[2604] I really want you to start doing it with me. Because I think you would really enjoy the part where you put a thought bubble.

[2605] Yeah, I like doing thought bubbles.

[2606] But I'm not good at drawing, like, to an extreme.

[2607] I'm not good either, though.

[2608] Stop.

[2609] Okay.

[2610] Stop.

[2611] Okay.

[2612] Because you drew a wrinkle in one of the boys' heads.

[2613] And I just looked at that wrinkle and I was like, oh, my God, I would never, like, just never think to draw a wrinkle in a boy.

[2614] The part you really were impressed with is that there was a gap between her shirt and her pants.

[2615] I forgot.

[2616] Yeah, one of the pictures was a girl that her sunglasses fell off.

[2617] She bent over and she farted.

[2618] Anyone could see this.

[2619] Yeah, so she was farting.

[2620] Well, she bent over to get her glasses.

[2621] And then she farted.

[2622] Because she went so quickly to get those glasses.

[2623] Yeah.

[2624] We don't know how our glasses fell off, but...

[2625] They're just a little too big.

[2626] Ill -fitting.

[2627] Yeah.

[2628] And there's this tiny gap between the back of her shirt and her pants.

[2629] And I was like, oh, my God, that's exactly what it would look like in life.

[2630] That's exactly right.

[2631] You'd bend over and your shirt would ride up just a little tiny bit.

[2632] And you would see just a tiny bit of back.

[2633] You know what I think is happening?

[2634] I think you're my mom.

[2635] Like your apartment's going to be all my drawings.

[2636] I can't wait.

[2637] Pinned up all over your apartment like my mom would do or I would do for my kids.

[2638] Yeah.

[2639] I think that's what's happening.

[2640] You're my kid.

[2641] Yes, I'm your son.

[2642] Which makes sense because you're my wife's mom.

[2643] Yep.

[2644] And her wife.

[2645] Yeah.

[2646] And her baby.

[2647] Yeah.

[2648] But I think the fact that you're her mom makes you my mom too.

[2649] I think you're becoming my mom as well.

[2650] Your mother -in -law?

[2651] Anyway, back to the fact that Kristen's an incredible drawer as well.

[2652] She's really good.

[2653] So good.

[2654] And she drew that Anna, like, I don't know, it looked perfect.

[2655] Really?

[2656] Yes.

[2657] I got to see that.

[2658] You can't say just because you could have drawn Pokemon that it shouldn't be worth $95 billion.

[2659] Because Kristen can draw Anna.

[2660] Okay, that's a good point.

[2661] All right.

[2662] You made a really good argument.

[2663] Wow, it took a long time to get there.

[2664] You mounted a great, great argument.

[2665] I will say about Pokemon.

[2666] on, 95 billion media franchising, but 1 .75 billion box office, which you were, I think, talking about movies.

[2667] Yeah, yeah, I was.

[2668] Star Wars is above that, 9 .49 billion.

[2669] But it's not the most.

[2670] I know as Terrence Posner.

[2671] No, Marvel Cinematic Universe.

[2672] Oh, if you include all those.

[2673] Yeah, that's the franchise.

[2674] It doesn't be fair.

[2675] I think you could either compare it to Iron Man or you could compare it to.

[2676] No, Star Wars is multiple movies.

[2677] Well, now it is, but the first three were Luke Skywalker's story.

[2678] Yeah, but this isn't just the first three.

[2679] I know.

[2680] But if those three movies adjusted for inflation, I think as what...

[2681] Jesus Christ.

[2682] I don't know why we ever talk about this.

[2683] Oh, my God.

[2684] The amount of times you say adjusted for inflation.

[2685] Well, it's relevant, don't you think?

[2686] I don't think it would even come close to Marvel.

[2687] I don't.

[2688] Well, but again, it's three movies versus now like 14 movies.

[2689] Yeah, that's part of it.

[2690] Star Wars keeps making more.

[2691] Now they do.

[2692] You're right.

[2693] You're right.

[2694] You're right.

[2695] I guess, you know what?

[2696] You're a thousand percent, right?

[2697] When I said it, I was referring to the first three, just for what it's worth.

[2698] Okay.

[2699] I'm never specific about it, though, so it's my problem.

[2700] Okay.

[2701] So we don't know the difference between an aneurism and an embolism.

[2702] Did you find out?

[2703] Yeah.

[2704] Okay, good.

[2705] That's kind of a lot of reading.

[2706] An aneurysm is a localized abnormal weak spot on a blood vessel wall that causes an outward bulging, like into a bubble or balloon.

[2707] So just the balloon, the vessel that's turned into a balloon, that's an aneurysm.

[2708] Yeah.

[2709] Okay, not that thing then exploding.

[2710] Although this is, aneurisms can also be nitis for clot formation and embolization.

[2711] Hmm.

[2712] What is embolization, the exploding of an aneurysm?

[2713] No, that's, she said hemorrhaging.

[2714] As an aneurysm increases in size, the risk of rupture increases leading to uncontrolled bleeding.

[2715] Although they may occur in any blood vessel, particularly lethal examples include aneurysms of the circle of Willis in the brain.

[2716] Circle of Bruce Willis.

[2717] Aortic aneurysms affecting the thoradic aorta and abdominal aortic aneurysms.

[2718] aneurysms can arise in the heart itself following a heart attack, including both ventricle and atrial septal aneurys.

[2719] I feel like my heart's blowing up, just hearing about this.

[2720] I know.

[2721] Okay.

[2722] An embolism is the lodging of an emboless, a blockage -causing piece of material inside a blood vessel.

[2723] And then does it swell up around it or something because it's blocked?

[2724] The embolism may be a blood clot, a fat globule.

[2725] Oh, globular?

[2726] A flat gobblobbler.

[2727] A fat globule, a bubble of air or other gas, or foreign material.

[2728] Wow.

[2729] An embolism can cause partial or total blockage of blood flow in the affected vessel.

[2730] Such a blockage may affect a part of the body distant to the origin of the embolus.

[2731] An embolus in which the embolus is a piece of thrombus.

[2732] Oh, my God.

[2733] It's getting sexual.

[2734] It's called the thromboembolism.

[2735] An embolism is usually a pathological event, i .e. accompanying illness or injury.

[2736] Sometimes it is created intentionally for a therapeutic reason, such as to stop bleeding or to kill a cancerous tumor by stopping its blood supply.

[2737] Such therapy is called embolization.

[2738] We still don't really know, do we?

[2739] Nope.

[2740] But my theory was that an aneurysm is an embolism that explodes.

[2741] So that's dead wrong.

[2742] That's not it.

[2743] I'm going to have to ask Eric Topal to go.

[2744] explain it in layman's terms and then I'll get back to everyone we love Eric Topal love him that's all that's all yeah do you think she was pretty in real life yeah of course well I always ask you if I if you think the guys are handsome I just want to be equal I think yeah you should yeah that's so pretty such round features we do talk a lot about round features on this episode last night or two nights ago when I was drawing pictures I drew one all right specifically to continue our debate yeah one of it was someone with objectively round features talking to someone with very pointy features sure but the guy with round features was pretty slow and he thought he was a green with the guy with pointy features yeah because the guy with pointing features said i love round features yeah and then the guy with round features said i love sharp angles too yeah he didn't realize they were saying different things yeah i was really confused by that picture that was too abstract probably So do you think round feature people are dumb?

[2745] No. No. I think they're perfect.

[2746] Well, Amelia is perfect.

[2747] So we can say thank you for coming.

[2748] Thanks, Amelia.

[2749] For coming.

[2750] What an honor.

[2751] Talk to the Queen, the mother.

[2752] Mother of drags.

[2753] We love you, Amelia.

[2754] Bye.

[2755] Bye.

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