#944 - Scott Eastwood & Cameron Hanes

[0] Doom, doom, doom, dum, three, two, one.

[1] Oh, ladies and gentlemen, we've got a sweet show today.

[2] Cameron Haynes is in the building, ladies of gentlemen.

[3] Cameron Haynes.

[4] What's up, what's up, brother?

[5] Scott, motherfucking Eastwood is in the house.

[6] And if you can't see me, it's because I'm wearing this sweet underarm or camo shirt, and I do tend to blend into the background.

[7] So if you get confused and go, why's Joe's head just floating in the air like that?

[8] But if you could see it, you'd notice you look jacked in it.

[9] It's tight, is form -fitting.

[10] I'm killing it.

[11] I'm killing it.

[12] It's a floating head.

[13] So, Cam's in town.

[14] We're shooting bows today, and I know he gave you a bow yesterday.

[15] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[16] We went down to Riverside, Riverside Archery, and to check out, you know, he's show me, throw me a bow.

[17] So that was cool.

[18] You had an old bow.

[19] We had an upgrade, didn't we?

[20] Yeah.

[21] What was your old bow?

[22] It was an old Ross.

[23] It was like probably from...

[24] Like Ross' dressed for less?

[25] Yeah.

[26] Same company?

[27] No, no. I didn't, I didn't ever heard.

[28] Is Ross an archery company?

[29] A big archery company?

[30] No. No, it's small.

[31] Yeah.

[32] I don't know.

[33] I'm not even sure if they still.

[34] They probably don't make them anymore.

[35] This was like a secondhand bow I bought off somebody years ago.

[36] So is this something you wanted to do for a while and somehow or another you got a hold a cam?

[37] I don't remember how we got connected.

[38] It was like through Instagram.

[39] He likes to say I slid him a deal.

[40] It's all going down on the DM.

[41] Some desperate girl.

[42] But I think, I mean, I always put up hunting stuff, obviously, and I think you commented maybe or something.

[43] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[44] So it wasn't like an unsolicited DM.

[45] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[46] Like, hey, I'd like to get to know you a little better.

[47] But I think it was.

[48] Which would have been okay, too, you know.

[49] It's all good.

[50] I mean, it's 2017.

[51] Everybody's free to express themselves in the way they feel.

[52] Yeah.

[53] So it's something like that built on.

[54] And then we just started archery and talking to archery, then hunting.

[55] And, you know, he grew up.

[56] and hunt his hunted and had the bow and so yeah he got done with his movie stuff and was here and thought hey let's get together yeah also also the public land stuff too i you know been noticing you guys both been talking about that and so i was really interested in that so i started reading up about it and and i just said you know hey how can i help how can i get involved because this you know means a lot to me i'm a native californian and i grew up going to yosemite you know going hunting going fishing uh using the public lands and so it was really important to important to me, you know, my dad was a state parks commissioner.

[57] Most people don't know that.

[58] When was this?

[59] What point in his life?

[60] This was, this was got to be.

[61] Before he was the mayor?

[62] No, no. After.

[63] Really?

[64] Yeah, this was after.

[65] So fairly recently then?

[66] Yeah, probably in the last, I would say, 15 years.

[67] I mean, I know he did it for a while and then got out.

[68] But, you know, he was big in the, do you remember the toll road going through San Clemente?

[69] No, I'm not aware of that.

[70] Yeah, so they were proposing a, this was an Arnold Schwarzenegger was in office, and they were proposing a toll road to go through San Clemente, which goes through trestles, which is a popular surf break.

[71] And he was, you know, everyone, you know, got behind it, um, a surf rider foundation, because he didn't want it because it was going to destroy the wave and ultimately destroy the national park there.

[72] And so he was big on that kind of stuff.

[73] And so I've always been you know sort of following his you know footsteps saying we got it we got to get in front of this problem dude your dad's Clint Eastwood that's so crazy yeah that is so crazy what is it like having Clint Eastwood as a dad like what's your dad do my dad is Clint Eastwood bitch people just feel like oh shit they just walk away confused like what happened to me I just got hit with a rock I mean and you look like him man it's weird like when I'm looking at you I see your dad Like, from the old outlawed Josie Wales days.

[74] Yeah, yeah.

[75] You know, what's crazy is looking at photos of him when he was 12, and I was 12.

[76] You cannot tell the difference.

[77] You put him in both in black and white.

[78] You can't tell the difference.

[79] Wow.

[80] Yeah.

[81] That's a trip.

[82] Yeah.

[83] What was it like growing up with him as a dad?

[84] When did you realize?

[85] Like, holy shit.

[86] I think I realized, I'm 31, so I probably realized when I was about eight.

[87] I watched Unforgiven.

[88] Oh.

[89] Yeah.

[90] He let you watch that when you were eight?

[91] That's my favorite Cleans Swoon movie ever.

[92] Well, the High Plains Drifters right up there, too.

[93] Well, I don't know, it's hard to lock them down.

[94] Sure, sure.

[95] But the Unforgiven's a dark movie, man. Yeah, it's dark.

[96] It's dark.

[97] William Money.

[98] Killer of women and children.

[99] Ooh, that's a dark movie, man. We all got it coming.

[100] That's what he says in that one.

[101] I love that.

[102] It was probably one of the most realistic killers, too.

[103] Like the way he handled stuff and the way everybody else was, like, falling apart.

[104] You never saw that in those.

[105] movies.

[106] Well, it was about regret.

[107] It was about a life filled of regret and filled things that you did wrong, that you wish you could have done better.

[108] And, you know, it was sort of one last ride to, you know, to do something better for his kids.

[109] You know, so I think that was sort of interesting.

[110] It was sort of a final culmination of all his westerns.

[111] It really was.

[112] And almost like he updated them all too.

[113] Yeah.

[114] Because like in the old movies, like you'd have cowards and you'd have heroes and stuff like that but in the unforgiven he took it to a totally different level like psychologically you know like even the way he like the switch goes off when he starts drinking and then he starts just fucking murking everybody like the way it was handled it seemed so realistic yeah the way everybody would fall apart and gunfights and the way I gotta watch that again now it's been a while now I'm like this sounds awesome it's fucking great it's a fucking great movie I remember seeing it I remember the movie.

[115] I went to see in the movie theater, and when the credits rolled at the end, I just only just, whoa.

[116] Yeah, powerful one.

[117] Woo!

[118] Yeah, it's an intense movie, man. Fucking intense.

[119] So when you're eight, you figured it out?

[120] Like, that movie?

[121] Right around then, yeah.

[122] I remember it's watching it.

[123] I'm not sure if I watched it with him or shortly after he made it.

[124] And just thinking, you know, that is the coolest thing.

[125] And I want to do that.

[126] You know, I want to be in movies.

[127] I want to tell stories like that.

[128] Wow.

[129] So how many, and you have brothers and sisters, and so how did all that work?

[130] Yeah, I've got a few sisters.

[131] My dad was a busy guy.

[132] How many kids in the family?

[133] How many wives?

[134] Yeah, let's just go with that.

[135] He's only had two wives, but he's had a few girlfriends, a few different babies' moms.

[136] Yeah.

[137] So did you live with him?

[138] I did, I would bounce back and forth.

[139] I lived with my mom.

[140] I lived with my mom in California until it was about seven or eight, and then I lived, then she moved, she packed up.

[141] This was kind of around the time when they split.

[142] Was your mom an actress too?

[143] No, no, no, no. She was just a normal person, yeah, a flight attendant.

[144] She had two kids with my dad, and she packed up, I think, when they sort of split, and she moved to Hawaii.

[145] She had lived there when she was a lot younger, and so she had always loved Hawaii.

[146] And so I had gone to Hawaii to live probably from about eight to about 16.

[147] Wow.

[148] Yeah.

[149] And then I ultimately moved back with my dad for like the last couple years of high school.

[150] And so yeah, it was an interesting upbringing, right?

[151] I mean, you know, one hand I was, you know, with my dad for for some time when I was in Hawaii living there.

[152] And you know, I don't know if you know anything about Hawaii as a white boy growing up, you're the most.

[153] minority yeah yeah so it was it was a lot of um a lot of fist fight you show up with a howley t -shirt on howley's rule pretty much i mean that's that's you know a lot of people don't you know realize that it's pretty you know Hawaii's very from like a warrior society still and and that's a great thing kind of because it's still it's very primal and it's also you know sort of it's one of those things where um there's not a lot of tolerance for um you know someone that you don't know or part of family and so you know for me it was it was it was tough you know it was it was did they accept you eventually you know sports sports sports uh sports really bridge that gap uh football i played football and that was that was that really it was tough because the first year they were like no they were like you know get the fuck out of it that suck um yeah you know i was i was a kid at then i was probably you know i don't know i can't remember 10 or so playing pee -wee football, right?

[154] Right.

[155] And then as, you know, as I would, you know, prove myself that I was down for hard work and, you know, down to throw hits, that, you know, that sort of, you know, bridge the gap.

[156] And then ultimately they were part of my team.

[157] And then so we would, you know, go to other schools and, you know, play other schools.

[158] And then I was still the howly boy to everybody else, but they had my back now.

[159] So that was cool.

[160] That had to be a bizarre time.

[161] man to be a 10 year old and all of a sudden be in that environment sure sure that was um it was different it was uh you i didn't know any better because i'm right and you're going okay well this is what i got to deal with now is that cards i got dealt so they're got a man up yeah i have a bunch of buddies who live in hawai and you know they say that if you're respectful and you're you know you're not a douchebag like after a while you just fit right in and everybody's cool with it yeah i mean it's it's uh i grew up also as a surfer you know it's growing up surfing and so there's a definitely a pecking order and a respect there that you have to learn or are you going to learn the hard way.

[162] And that's, I think that was a good thing, you know, ultimately, because it kind of humbles you and makes you know your place, which is good.

[163] Did you start training jujitsu there?

[164] I started, you know, actually one of my good buddies who passed away, Paul Walker, got me into jiu -jitsu.

[165] He got me about six years ago, six, maybe more now.

[166] Yeah, he was like a purple belt, right?

[167] Or a brown belt or something?

[168] Yeah, he was a brown belt when he died.

[169] And so, yeah, he was, I mean, he was, you know, diehard.

[170] I mean, he had a place in Hawaii, actually, and he had, he would go get mats, and he would get his place outfitted so he could practice at home.

[171] Oh, wow.

[172] And he got me, he got me involved.

[173] And that's, you know, that's another thing that's great about over there is like, you really, like obviously you know Jitz is like the ultimate humbling yeah you know for people especially for you know I think for men carry a lot of ego around or carry a lot of you know you know I think as men we're trying to figure out who we are especially when we're young it really calms your ego down because you always know you know I'm gonna choke some people out and people are going to choke me out yeah and it's just no matter what level you're at you also get it out of your system like the sure one of a big part of what men do they puffed their chest up because they want to prove themselves and they haven't yet yeah and they don't know and so they want to like put up this air like there's some bad motherfucker because they're insecure it's just they don't know and once you've done it a bunch times and you know trained for a few years it just it all calms down yeah you notice like all the all the guys who do it consistently or the high level guys just so calm yeah so calm and that's actually one thing I noticed about Cameron too he's like he's a calm motherfucker because he spends a lot of time out in the wilderness and I think that has a big you know with the world we live in now today yeah we're yeah and we talked about we talked about this some some of the experiences the stressful experiences and the hard I mean life here is never hard really the challenges we face in the regular everyday world sometimes you have traffic dude sometimes the line at Starbucks is huge I know that okay that's hard okay aside from that that is tough It's spelled cam with a K. Right.

[174] But so, I mean, it puts it in perspective.

[175] It's just kind of like what you're saying.

[176] But yeah, you need experiences like that.

[177] Just you kind of simulate those in training or in, you know, the haunts that I do or the races that I do.

[178] And it keeps it in perspective.

[179] So you don't get wound up over the little stuff.

[180] It's like no biggie.

[181] There's also like, there's a humbling just being in the woods.

[182] Yeah.

[183] You just realize like, oh, this doesn't matter if I never existed.

[184] No. Like if human beings were never invented, these are.

[185] woods would be exactly like this.

[186] No, and that, I've thought about that a lot.

[187] I've been in the mountains and, you know, I'd say if something happens, if, you know, who knows, you die for whatever reason, nothing there changes an iota.

[188] Yeah.

[189] I mean, it's nothing is going to, so it's like your existence doesn't even matter.

[190] Yeah.

[191] And I think we need to, we feel too self -important sometimes, I think some people do.

[192] Sure.

[193] And so in that situation, you're like, okay, this, I'm, I'm, you know, nothing really.

[194] My friend Ryan Callahan, you know, Ryan from First Light, he was out in the woods with a two friend of his, and they work for the park.

[195] They work like Rangers or something, and they found a human skull, and they're like, whoa.

[196] And it just puts it all in perspective.

[197] Like you're out deep, deep in the back country, and you find a human skull.

[198] And it's just like, okay, yeah, this is real.

[199] Right.

[200] This was a person, and something went wrong.

[201] Yeah.

[202] And they just never found them.

[203] You know, it just happens.

[204] Could be a bear, could be a cat, could be a trip.

[205] Lightning.

[206] Yeah, yeah.

[207] I mean, lightning happens a lot to people out there.

[208] I was telling you the other day, Cameron, about, I did a lot of reading about, like, circadian rhythms in our body because I've had chronic sleepwalking, chronic night terrors since I was a little kid.

[209] What is night terrors?

[210] What's the difference in night terrors and sleepwalking?

[211] I don't know.

[212] I mean, I've had both.

[213] What is the night terrors?

[214] Nightmare would be, you know, sort of, you wake up in the middle of the night, you know, to a scream, yelling.

[215] Oh, that's every day coming out.

[216] You know, get out in the middle of, that's a bad dream.

[217] And they can sort of, I think they can coincide with sleepwalking, probably, you know.

[218] So stress -related?

[219] I think so.

[220] It's hard to say, I got him when I was young, when I started getting him, I think, when I was about in sixth grade.

[221] So I don't know if it was, if it was.

[222] if it was stress related or what it was.

[223] But I started getting them and then, you know, I've had them in 31 now.

[224] And so I've been reading a lot about that.

[225] And I obviously listened to your podcast a lot about just about the way humans are supposed to operate in the natural life cycle.

[226] Right.

[227] And you know, you wake up in the morning because it gets light.

[228] And you go to bed because it gets dark.

[229] And we're screwing that all up with.

[230] the TVs and the phones and all the all the stuff and anytime I've ever been in the wilderness to do a lot of backpacking and you know been a lot of hunting trips and fishing and stuff it's it really calms my body down a lot and uh what they said was in all the reading I've done is is that um your your creation of melatonin is in your optics because of like the assimilation of light so when it gets dark your your mind's supposed to create more melatonin.

[231] Which obviously, you know, puts you to sleep.

[232] But because we don't have that or we're manipulating that, it's changed everything.

[233] That's why they invented Ambien.

[234] Yeah.

[235] Works great.

[236] Yeah.

[237] I mean, there's a lot of people out there that are taking pills that just knock them out.

[238] Yeah.

[239] You know, just in order to deal with the fact that we're constantly surrounded by lights and staring at your phone before you go to bed and watching TV and go to the bathroom and the lights bright.

[240] Your body doesn't know what that is.

[241] No. And that's, when we were talking about this yesterday, It's like I said, I've never been born at peace and relaxed and slept as well as I have in the mountains.

[242] You know, there's an adjustment period, it seems like.

[243] Sure.

[244] But once I'm there, it's just like, I've never been, I don't want to make it sound anything bad at home.

[245] But, I mean, I've never been more, I don't know if it's happy or just more content.

[246] Content, that's exactly right.

[247] More content than I am in the mountains.

[248] It feels like that's just natural.

[249] That's how it's supposed to be.

[250] Well, people really are supposed to interface with the wild, with the wilderness the same way all animals are.

[251] We've just created these weird structures over the past few thousand years.

[252] When you really think about civilization, we only figured out how to talk 40 ,000 years ago.

[253] Yeah.

[254] You know, I mean.

[255] Or the wheel, right?

[256] The wheel was, you know what I mean?

[257] Yeah, I think the wheel is five, no. Yeah, it's a little longer than that.

[258] It's somewhere around 6 ,000 years ago they figured out the wheel, which is just hilarious.

[259] but here's here's the best way to put that in perspective like so let's say it's 5 ,500 years ago that's essentially a person lives to be 100 that's 55 people ago 55 people ago they were just dragging shit around that's that's insane that's insane yeah 55 people ago and then before that you know you just go back a few more people and they were grunting yeah I mean they they they hadn't even figured out how to write things down they you know it's really Or even, you know, what's even crazier to think about is how we've taken airplanes and perfected that in the last 50 years.

[260] Oh, yeah.

[261] You know, before that, it was, you know, you couldn't just get on an airplane and be anywhere in the world in 24 hours.

[262] Oh, yeah.

[263] It's a totally new experience.

[264] 1903.

[265] You want to hear the craziest fucking statistics ever?

[266] Okay.

[267] Between the time the plane was invented, between the invention of the airplane and someone dropping an atomic bomb out of the airplane.

[268] It was less than 50 years.

[269] Jeez.

[270] Yeah.

[271] That's crazy what we do to each other.

[272] I know.

[273] It was like somewhere like 44 years or something like that, between the invention of the airplane by the Wright brothers, the first flight, and then a bomb dropping on Hiroshima.

[274] Yeah.

[275] And then now there's Fast and Furious 8, and they got bombs on that.

[276] Oh, I like the Segway.

[277] Nice plug there.

[278] Gee, that was good.

[279] Bro, you should be a publicist.

[280] No, it's totally unrelated.

[281] Just thought of that.

[282] How many of those have you done?

[283] No, this is the first one that I've done.

[284] This is the first one.

[285] Yeah, this is the eighth.

[286] This will be the eighth one.

[287] And they're going to do 10, right?

[288] So they're doing them back to back?

[289] Is that what they're doing?

[290] I think that's the plan.

[291] You know, I'm not, I'm sure Vin and Diesel and the producers have, you know, the plan set.

[292] But, I mean, that's the whispers I hear that we do a couple more.

[293] I think 10 would be cool.

[294] We made it this far.

[295] Might as well go to 10, right?

[296] Now, can you tell us, does your character survive?

[297] Can you give us a spoiler alert?

[298] Are you allowed to?

[299] I saw the movie.

[300] Oh, you can tell me then.

[301] You're not obligated.

[302] You didn't have to sign anything, did you?

[303] It was good last night.

[304] I mean, Scott had a big role.

[305] It was cool because I didn't know.

[306] You know, you never know.

[307] Yeah, yeah, sure.

[308] Didn't ask, didn't anything.

[309] But yeah, he's all over it the whole time.

[310] So it's cool.

[311] He did a good job.

[312] Yeah, let's just say it's a good one and everyone will like it.

[313] Are you a muscle car guy?

[314] Do you like muscle cars?

[315] Yeah, I'm a classic car guy.

[316] I like classics.

[317] I love the old 60s Ferrari between, you know, Ferrari and for that whole rivalry back then.

[318] Oh, like the GTs?

[319] Exactly.

[320] I'm actually getting the opportunity to purchase one of the new GTs coming out in 2017.

[321] Really?

[322] Dude, that thing looks insane.

[323] Insane.

[324] And they're making only 100 this year.

[325] What a bunch of cunts.

[326] Why would you make 100?

[327] I'm so excited about it.

[328] Why would you make 100?

[329] Seven billion people.

[330] You're going to make 100 cars?

[331] They're collectibles.

[332] So, I mean, how much they charge?

[333] for those for a hundred bucks for a hundred of them I mean well I think the price is about three 350 thousand dollars yeah but it's a collect picture of this fucking thing it's a beast look at that thing that's the new one insanity yeah configure it you can configure why they wouldn't you configure it if you can't even fucking buy it just a bunch of teases Ford what are you doing that first of all that doesn't even look like a Ford I mean that looks that looks like a Ford on planet Mars It's pretty cool, right?

[334] It looks kind of like a Ferrari, doesn't it?

[335] Jamie's getting crap.

[336] It looks better than a Ferrari.

[337] Oh, it looks better.

[338] I think, you know.

[339] That's a badass looking car.

[340] God.

[341] Let me see the, see, if you got some other angles on it.

[342] Is there any other angles?

[343] Oh, look at that.

[344] Ooh, pretty.

[345] You know, it looks the hood.

[346] Oh, my God.

[347] Some camo on there.

[348] Hey, is there a camo option there?

[349] Ridge Reaper option.

[350] Look at that fucking car.

[351] Oh, my God.

[352] What a beast.

[353] Yeah.

[354] I think I might get one, too, actually.

[355] Wow.

[356] Go for it.

[357] Go for it.

[358] Get rid of the RAM.

[359] My whole life of salary, but that's all right.

[360] $350 ,000.

[361] But meanwhile, the way they're making cars today, that thing is going to be insane.

[362] Yeah.

[363] But that'll be like a piece of art. You know, that will be, you know, like the GT, you know, the older GTs that have gone up in value because they just don't, you know, they're, you know.

[364] It's hard to say that about new cars, though, so much plastic and stuff.

[365] They just don't seem to, people don't want them.

[366] you know like if you get a 1960s car it's worth a shitload of money today but a 1990s car ain't worth shit right you know what I mean it's like there's no classics from 1990 there's a couple Porsches like 9 -6 -4s from the 90s or 993s the last of the air -cooled cars they're still worth some money they're classics but that's kind of it like maybe a few classic Ferraris from that day but like a Camaro from 1990 push that thing off a cliff and start and and shoot at it while it's on its way down.

[367] Hey, don't let your girl drive that car.

[368] Oh, she got issues?

[369] We were saying before, she crashes things a little bit, a little bit.

[370] She's got a history of, long history.

[371] Let's leave it at that.

[372] Hey, listen, people can't be great at everything.

[373] No, that's true.

[374] Have you seen the new Accura NSX?

[375] No. Jesus Christ, look at this thing.

[376] Jamie, pull that up, if you're into cars.

[377] You know, Accura built the last NSX in 2005, so there's like 12 years.

[378] off before they came out with a new one.

[379] They just came out with the new one this year.

[380] This spaceship.

[381] This monstrous spaceship.

[382] See, you'll find a silver one.

[383] So I like that when they do that with cars.

[384] They sort of wait a long time to come up with a whole new concept, not just every three or four years kind of.

[385] Yeah, totally.

[386] Yeah, no, I like it too.

[387] Four -wheel drive, electric wheels on the front.

[388] It's tough looking at that one after the Ford.

[389] Well, that's not a good angle.

[390] Jamie keeps going to the same angle.

[391] What are you doing here with the Kelly Blue Book?

[392] Get off the Ford, but I'm telling you.

[393] No, I love that Ford.

[394] What are you talking about?

[395] Get off this site.

[396] This site's bullshit.

[397] They get you with that Kelly Blue Book bullshit.

[398] Oh, yeah, that's a click page.

[399] See if you can see, like, three -quarter view in the upper left -hand side.

[400] Right there.

[401] Nope.

[402] Look at that.

[403] It's a dope car, man. Yeah.

[404] When you see when in real life, it looks like a spaceship.

[405] It really does.

[406] Yeah.

[407] It looks cool.

[408] Cars today, man. But that's like looking at a new whole.

[409] than looking at the Ross bow.

[410] You don't think that looks as close?

[411] That looks good, but not as good as a Ford, does it?

[412] Pretty close.

[413] I don't know, dude.

[414] Everybody's got different taste cam hands.

[415] Yeah, yeah.

[416] I just can't wait for the self -driving because people just are terrible drivers, so let's just get on with that.

[417] We figure that out.

[418] Everyone sucks.

[419] But then what about these kind of cars?

[420] Well, that's fine.

[421] Just let them be self -driving.

[422] That's not going to be self -driving.

[423] That'll be ridiculous.

[424] Imagine if you have a car.

[425] car like that, like a 4GT, but it's self -driving, unless you're on a racetrack.

[426] You'd be like, what am I going to live on a racetrack?

[427] This is so stupid.

[428] There's something that happening as we're making things autonomous.

[429] We're going to lose a little bit of something.

[430] Sure, sure.

[431] It's sort of one of the reasons why people like handmade stuff now.

[432] Like you get a pair of handmade boots or something like that.

[433] It's like, ooh, it feels different.

[434] You know?

[435] Like a, these are handmade.

[436] Lucchase's handmade.

[437] Are they really?

[438] Yeah.

[439] Lucchis's handmade.

[440] I think they take like 18, no, let's maybe like 11 days to do.

[441] to do from start to finish with all the leathering and stuff they do i mean they do in different stages right but they're the i mean they're the best boots in the market and doesn't that feel different like when you have them like there's something knowing that a person made it too yeah well they're just so comfortable yeah i mean cowboy boots normally aren't that comfortable but those that's what my boots were yesterday too yeah so nice i was reading this podcast reading a podcast what listening to a podcast listening to a book oh wait i guess you can do that now about uh horseback riding and this guy was explaining how people try to wear like hiking boots when they go horseback riding and they jam their food he's like there's a reason why cowboy boots fall off so easy yeah it's so you don't get dragged behind a fucking horse yeah like it's supposed to happen that way yeah yeah that's why they're pointed so they slide in and slide out they slide in and slide out and they slip right off your feet yeah yep and you have you get a good pair of these i mean they'll last 10 20 years it lasts a lifetime yeah you know what i mean they could i just bought i got my The ones I had yesterday, which were like $1 ,000 ,000, and I just got them resold because I'd worn them so much, $7 ,4 .50.

[442] To resell it?

[443] Yeah, brand new soles on, I mean, brand new boot.

[444] I've heard that since you have your own Under Armour sneaker, that you're the Kanye West of badasses.

[445] Is this true?

[446] I don't know what that means.

[447] No, no, Kanye West of bow hunting.

[448] Oh, well, because Kanye West has Yeezys.

[449] Do you know what Yeezys are?

[450] Yeah, his shoe, right.

[451] Yeah, but.

[452] Jamie buys them.

[453] I don't even know.

[454] He's got him.

[455] You have mine, you son of a bitch.

[456] He's such a weirdo.

[457] He's got like five pairs of him, this weirdo.

[458] So I don't even know that if you see, that's what the kids are going.

[459] Jamie.

[460] Aren't those a lot?

[461] Like, expensive?

[462] Stupid expensive.

[463] If you can't get them when they come on sale, they are a lot.

[464] Like, how much are they right of the gate?

[465] The ones that are going to resale that come out this month, they're reselling for $2 ,000 right now.

[466] They're 200 retail.

[467] 200 retail and they sell for $2 ,000?

[468] Yeah.

[469] Because they make, what, a hundred pair?

[470] Like $20 ,000.

[471] Like that goddamn, you can get a free one with it, 4 GT?

[472] Yeah, so I think So anyway, I think that's how Brandon's reference is tied in It's shoot, Kanye's shoes Yes, that's what it is Right, yeah, it's not that you're an egotistical Autistic rapper That's not that Well, I see him at, he was at the UFC fight I don't know, I was there Yeah, yeah, I don't know which one it was Oh yeah, that's right He was there with the boyfriend That J -Lo dumped Because he went to the UFC It was one of Connor's fights Oh, was it?

[473] That's what it was, yeah The boyfriend wanted to go to the McGregor fight, and J -Loh was like, fuck that, that bitch, she's staying with me. Jamie got a picture with him.

[474] Did you?

[475] You got a picture with Kanye?

[476] Yeah, here's, I remember, but here's Kanye West, even at the UFC fight, just like this.

[477] Well, I saw him smile a few times when he met some people.

[478] Really?

[479] Yeah, but he's, he needs a hug.

[480] I got him to smile.

[481] Did you?

[482] What did you do?

[483] No, he didn't smile.

[484] Not in your picture, did he?

[485] Yeah, I'll pull it up.

[486] What'd you do to get him to smile?

[487] Where to go?

[488] Well, he's a. He needs a hug.

[489] That's what I think.

[490] Needs a hug and some good friends.

[491] So I'm going to calm them down.

[492] I think so, yeah.

[493] Settle down, dude.

[494] Let me talk to you about your pre -nup.

[495] You got one, right?

[496] That's what I would do.

[497] There is.

[498] That is not smile.

[499] That was a smirk.

[500] No. Not really.

[501] That's a conya smile.

[502] That's not.

[503] You're just, the smile from Tony Hinchcliff is bouncing up.

[504] Plus, you didn't smile.

[505] So he was like, why am I fucking smile if this dude isn't smiling?

[506] You don't even happen to meet me, you fuck.

[507] Why even taking a picture?

[508] Hashtag blessed.

[509] at least he's got Tupac on his on his shirt he's got taste in that regard that's the best thing about that other than Jamie and Tony yes I agree the Tupac shirt's a good move it's a good move yeah if you're you know I don't know the rapper world is a very fucking strange world I can't even imagine can't even imagine no but hey I didn't want to ask something so when you're growing up was there pressure because your dad was Clint Eastwood did you've and then you said you wanted to be an actor you knew was that I know we're going back to it, but I was just wondering.

[510] Yeah, that's a good, good question.

[511] Well, I think I always wanted to be, tell stories.

[512] I don't know if I necessarily knew I wanted to be an actor.

[513] I think as I get older, I realize it's more about telling stories.

[514] I just sort of fell into the acting.

[515] I was like, okay, well, this could be a way I could get in, I could, I could go into that.

[516] So you just enjoy the entertainment process, like creating something that people can be entertained by and enjoy?

[517] Yeah, exactly.

[518] Telling a story that, you know, people can, relate to laugh cry whatever do you think you'll go the road to your dad and like maybe do some directing and writing and things long like yeah yeah is that the plan that's a plan that's the plan you know taking control of your own career uh is is good and it's also you you know you tell the stories you want to tell yeah we were talking about this before the podcast that the world of the actor is very difficult and a lot of people like accuse actors of being fake and i think one of the reasons for that narcissistic yeah yeah that's that for sure are but one of the reasons for the accusing them of being fake is that they always have to put on the best show like as far as their behavior and the way they act and think and their opinions because they're constantly trying to get cast in things and it's all about getting to people like you and politicking and we were talking also about like you kind of have to have liberal sensibilities like in this town if you if you're a right -winger does that even make sense it seems like they contradict each liberal sensibilities that seems Well, it's one reason that I moved out of LA is, you know, years ago, I just, I got sick of, you know, there are great, they're great people in L .A. Yeah.

[519] And, you know, I'm from California, so I feel, you know, it has a place in my heart here.

[520] But I got out of L .A. because, you know, if you meet 100 people in L .A., you might, you know, meet 95 that are full of shit and, you know, five good ones.

[521] And I think that was.

[522] You're too generous.

[523] You know, yeah, it's a problem, right?

[524] And everyone, I always, I always judge it when I meet somebody and I'm having a conversation with them and I ask how they're doing, you know, I meet an actor or something.

[525] How you've been or what are you working on?

[526] Cool.

[527] And, you know, a lot of times they're just waiting for their turn to talk.

[528] Yeah.

[529] They're not even listening to you.

[530] Yeah.

[531] They're just sort of, you know, they're not going to return that and say, hell, what are you doing?

[532] What, you know, what's going on?

[533] Yeah.

[534] You don't feel like a sincere conversation.

[535] No, not, not at all.

[536] Yeah, that's a big issue with people in general.

[537] But in L .A., it's, I think, this.

[538] This is the magnet for all the narcissists and all the people that want attention and the people that have a hole.

[539] They have a hole they need to fill up for whatever their childhood, whatever the fuck it is.

[540] And they gravitate here and then they just communicate with each other the same way.

[541] And everybody kind of like pretends to be someone who they're not.

[542] And then hopefully they make it.

[543] And then once they make it, then they just, you know, become some fucking weirdo.

[544] It's weird how many of them are almost like cookie cutter.

[545] Like, oh, I've met that guy before.

[546] He just looked different, you know?

[547] You know what I mean?

[548] It's like the same person living a different life.

[549] I know exactly what this is.

[550] Someone got lazy on the assembly line.

[551] Just they fell asleep or something.

[552] But the actor world is like I've met a lot of comedians that are similar, but they're a lot, they vary so much.

[553] But the actors, boy, there's a lot that are super similar, just a lot of, you know.

[554] But then again, you'll meet some of them who've, like, figured it out and made it through, and they're super normal.

[555] And, like, Adam Sandler is one of the nicest guys you've ever met in your life.

[556] Oh, my God.

[557] It couldn't be nicer.

[558] Totally.

[559] Like, if you didn't know he was Adam Sandler and you met him, you'd be like, oh, that's someone's dad.

[560] Fucking super normal dude.

[561] Tom Hanks.

[562] He's a guy.

[563] That's what I heard of him.

[564] You said super normal.

[565] That's what people say, you know, like, because they ask me, oh, how's Scott, you know, seems normal.

[566] So that's why, that's why you're like, so.

[567] You must not know me yet.

[568] That's like the best compliment for an actor.

[569] Yeah, it is because an actor is like, they, I don't know.

[570] Who am I to say who's normal, right?

[571] But to me, he seems like a normal guy.

[572] And you said Adam Sandel over it's completely normal.

[573] So that kind of puts it in perspective.

[574] Well, I mean my normal is like you could talk to them and they're really there.

[575] They're real sincere.

[576] They're present.

[577] They're having a real conversation with you.

[578] And there's a lot of people that just don't do that.

[579] You talk to them and they're just putting on some, hey, how are you?

[580] Good to see you.

[581] I definitely don't trust people who are too nice.

[582] I'm like, why are they so nice?

[583] This isn't right.

[584] It's just a tough world for these people anyway, especially with the ones that haven't made it out here.

[585] It's so psychologically devastating because you're constantly going on auditions and you're constantly getting rejected.

[586] So you're insecure in the first place.

[587] And then you are hoping someone likes you.

[588] So you go to this thing.

[589] And you're kind of like putting on your best behavior and you're dressing good.

[590] Like, hi, pleased to meet you.

[591] All right.

[592] Right.

[593] Hey, hey, thanks guys.

[594] Thanks for the opportunity.

[595] You leave.

[596] And they don't like you.

[597] They said you sucked at the audition.

[598] What?

[599] I didn't suck.

[600] Yeah, they just really didn't like you.

[601] They said you didn't make eye contact.

[602] Fuck.

[603] And people get weirder and weirder.

[604] And if you meet an actor, say like one year and then you meet them 10 years later and they're still swinging and nothing's happening, they might be like almost ready to crack.

[605] Yeah.

[606] Right at the verge.

[607] Right at that falling down with that Michael.

[608] Douglas, you know, when he's fucking, he's got the briefcase and he goes in traffic, starts shooting people.

[609] Like, they're like, a couple of days before there.

[610] They're like right.

[611] Just on the breaking line.

[612] They can't take it anymore.

[613] It's a fucking devastating business, right?

[614] It's tough.

[615] It's tough.

[616] But, you know, like I said, I mean, we were talking about before.

[617] It's all built on hard work and your reputation.

[618] Yeah.

[619] Because, like you said, you know, you get a reputation for being an asshole or, you know, showing up late to work or this thing.

[620] And, you know, everybody's going to know about it.

[621] It's a small place, L .A. Or being a diva.

[622] Being a diva.

[623] Diva, that's a big one, right?

[624] That's not a good, that's not a good adjective for you.

[625] You can't shake that one.

[626] Yeah.

[627] That happens to people.

[628] Like, in Hollywood, they'll be doing a lot of big movies, and you hear like, oh, she's difficult to work with.

[629] And then they just fucking disappear.

[630] Sure.

[631] And it almost seems like Hollywood delights in shutting those people out.

[632] They're rooting for you to fail.

[633] Yeah.

[634] They kind of, but when you prove to be, like, ungrateful, in some way or you don't like like here's a perfect example well he kind of made it on television but you remember david crusoe when david crusoe when david crusoe was on nypd blue and everybody was like wow this guy's a great actor and then he quit nypd blue and it was this massive hit show and then went and started doing like some real shitty movies yeah everybody was like why the fuck would you quit a big show like nypd blue and do a bunch of movies like boy i hope he fails and then the movies failed and then everybody's like ha ha ha and then and then he never did a movie again you never saw him in a good movie like he like had this trajectory of this amazing career yeah then he became this caricature because then he was doing that stupid cop show where we would take his glasses off and say some stupid pun well it looks like he got nailed and he would take his glasses up remember that it was like CSI Miami or something like that and it was a fucking caricature of a cop show yeah Whereas NYTPD Blue, when he was on it, was groundbreaking.

[635] I mean, it was fucking fantastic.

[636] So what happened?

[637] It just, he became, I don't know.

[638] I mean, I don't know who he had, but he came, he can't recognize as a diva.

[639] Whether or not he was actually a diva, I don't know the guy.

[640] You'd have to meet him and talk to him and hang out with him.

[641] But he had that stink.

[642] And you get that stink on him.

[643] That's the other thing, too, is it's not even, you know, in Hollywood, it's not even what's true sometimes.

[644] It's just perceived.

[645] It's so it's, you know, my dad used to always say, he'd say, Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear and and and that always stuck with me because, you know, you sit down with people in the industry or whatever and you just hear, you know, a lot of Hollywood is it gossip, right?

[646] It's a full of gossip queens.

[647] Everybody wants to talk shit about someone they worked with or tell some story and tell how difficult somebody was or this, that, and you don't even, you know, it's a business built on, you know, it's just a house of cards, you know, you're like, well, how do you know that that's even true?

[648] You know, and so it's kind of fucked up.

[649] Yeah, it's, you know, I mean, I don't feel like that happens in other businesses, but maybe it does with coworkers, I don't know.

[650] I don't know, maybe it does.

[651] It's also, it's a weird thing because when you're a movie star like yourself and you're on the screen, like, you get all the adulation and all the love.

[652] There's a whole crew of people behind you.

[653] Yeah.

[654] There's special effects people and lighting and sound and it's directors and producers.

[655] Guys like Jamie.

[656] And young Jamie.

[657] There's a hundred people to every one that's on the screen, right?

[658] At least.

[659] And so.

[660] And they get no love.

[661] Yeah, it's weird, right?

[662] They get no love.

[663] And that's where the business side of the business is so delusioned because the agents and the people around it.

[664] They're not the ones there, you know, putting in the sweat every day for five months to make a film.

[665] You know, pulling the creative ideas, pulling the hard work, you know, the grips and all the guys who, you know, are underpaid.

[666] and are, you know, working just to make money to, you know, feed their families.

[667] So it's interesting because I saw it from a very different lens.

[668] I saw it from my father's lens, which is, you know, my dad, show up on time, get the movie done, shoot it fast, treat everybody good, and, you know, work with the same people over and over again, do the right thing by people, have integrity.

[669] Whereas people don't see that side of the business.

[670] there's so much other stuff that people never get loved for in the film industry yeah well in the long hours that's another thing that people don't understand if you're on a film set like what's an average day for you um it could be i mean a short day is a 12 hour day so it's you know 12 to 16 and how many days a week you work in five six i mean when you're on location you're usually you could be in a movie that's doing a six day work week or you could be doing a five day but by the end everyone's doing a six sometimes even you know you're usually you're usually you could be in a movie that's doing a six sometimes even you know you're usually you're usually you're you're just putting in full throttle to get the movie done.

[671] Now, when you're on location, do you have to squeeze a workout in to keep your brain sane?

[672] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[673] How do you do that on a 16 -hour day?

[674] I try to do it during lunch because I find that if you go to lunch, you get sluggish after lunch.

[675] Right.

[676] And then you're going, oh, well, shit, I've got to get back in there, you know, and do this.

[677] Now I've got to hit the coffee or get hit the whatever to get stimulated.

[678] Cocaine, right?

[679] That's what you're saying?

[680] Yeah, just debop.

[681] Are you a meth guy?

[682] But mostly math.

[683] Just a bump to get the head straight.

[684] Just a little bit.

[685] Woo!

[686] But yeah, so I think working out during lunch seems to be the best thing for me because I don't do well in the mornings for a workout because I feel stiff.

[687] So I like to get the blood going first.

[688] If I can hit it during lunch, even if I'm on set, I'll do whatever, dumbbells, this, that, and the other.

[689] And then I'll have, I'll get, you know, some endorphins kicking.

[690] Yeah, I used to do that too, but But now lately, over the last, like, not even lately, but over the last, like, five or six years, I'd like to get up in the first thing I do work out, especially, like, if I was doing jujitsu in the afternoon and I needed to do a lifting session, I want as much space between the lifting and the jiu -jitsu as possible so I can recover.

[691] So for me, it's like, just get up.

[692] And even though I don't feel good in the morning, once the blood starts pumping and the sweat, you got to just remind yourself, like, yeah, I know you feel like shit.

[693] Just do the few reps. Get that blood going.

[694] And then once you're sweating, you're sweating.

[695] It's all the same, you know?

[696] I do it in the morning, too.

[697] I worked out this morning.

[698] Plus meth.

[699] But I just, that helps you feel the same.

[700] So in the movie, Fast 8, we had a lot of sleeveless shirts, which I, that's awesome.

[701] You're a big fan of those.

[702] I'm a big fan of those.

[703] That's why you slid me a DM.

[704] I got a lot of stuff going on Instagram.

[705] I'm not sure about the connection.

[706] He's confused right now.

[707] I just know what we're talking about, but he'll press on.

[708] So, did those guys, so rock, stay at them all the, did we have to do push -ups in there to keep that pump for the scenes?

[709] It's a very good question.

[710] Look, everybody's, I mean, I think everybody wants to be on the, you know, at the tip of the spear, right?

[711] You know, you got shirt off, tank off stuff.

[712] So let's, you know, let's get the pump on.

[713] See, that's where a guy like me, I'm very, very modest.

[714] So if I was there, I would be the opposite.

[715] With your skin tight, muscle -berry shirt.

[716] I would try to slump, maybe perhaps.

[717] or hide my definition.

[718] No, that's not true.

[719] You have good posture.

[720] That's one of the first thing I noticed when I walked out.

[721] I said, oh, he really works on his posture.

[722] I do.

[723] I do a lot of yoga.

[724] Yep, I do a lot of yoga.

[725] Very good posture.

[726] He notices, Cam.

[727] You don't even notice, bro.

[728] That was, uh...

[729] He never commented on my posture.

[730] That was, uh, that was one of the first things when I, I guess I got a yoga about 10 years ago, and it's changed my life.

[731] It's amazing, right?

[732] It's changed my life.

[733] There's no pumping yoga.

[734] There's no pumping yoga.

[735] We've discussed this.

[736] Cam, like, sleeveless shirts and getting his, Pump on, yeah, and it doesn't like touching his toes.

[737] No, that's a struggle.

[738] I can do, I can do this.

[739] The knees bent.

[740] Yeah.

[741] But I think that's, that was the one of the first thing, a guy told me when I was getting into it, he said, you really got to work on your posture.

[742] He goes, you're going to, you know, look at, look at guys who are, you know, 90 walking around on the street who are slumped over.

[743] He goes, do you want to be like that?

[744] I mean, it kind of got me quick.

[745] I was like, wow.

[746] Tell that guy to settle the fuck down.

[747] I'm 31 years old.

[748] How about you relax, pal?

[749] See, he's got such a better attitude because I would have said, worry about yourself.

[750] Exactly.

[751] I'm used to getting critiqued online, and so maybe I'm just a little defensive.

[752] Well, these seats that we're sitting in are the best.

[753] These are these, they're called Ergo Depot, is the name of the company, and it's called a Capisco.

[754] And what it is is they're comfortable, but they make you sort of sit and support yourself with your spine, whereas a lot of times people just kind of slump in chairs.

[755] Sure.

[756] That's just terrible for your spine.

[757] Terrible.

[758] Slumping is terrible.

[759] All that stuff's terrible.

[760] And when you order, put in Rogan as order and save 10%.

[761] It's not a company I'm not a sponsor.

[762] How dare you?

[763] He's plugging every company.

[764] Coca -Cola Pepsi and McDonald's.

[765] If you do do yoga, though, you will notice a difference in your posture.

[766] And the lack of back aches and pains and stuff like that.

[767] Everything.

[768] But it's just hard for people because it's not necessarily fun.

[769] Like the results are excellent, but while you're there and you're sweating your dick off and you're stretching and you got to quiet your mind.

[770] Yeah.

[771] I think that's the biggest, hardest thing for people, right, is that the meditation aspect of it is so hard for people to go to get out of their own way.

[772] But once you do it for a while, you realize, you're like, now I crave it.

[773] I mean, I can't go, I can't go a few days with that.

[774] I go, I start getting antsy and I go, I got to get into yoga, you know.

[775] Yeah, it's just, it's also a very pretentious thing.

[776] Not really, but it sounds like it is.

[777] like, oh, I'm going to do yoga, I'm better than you.

[778] You're going to do yoga, and then I'm going to have hummus.

[779] Yeah.

[780] You know, like, oh, I hate this guy.

[781] Well, you know what was, the thing was that when I started 10 years ago, a buddy brought me in, it was 98 % female.

[782] Now I've noticed it's like 50 -50.

[783] You got to go to a different class.

[784] Yeah.

[785] That'd be a reason not to go.

[786] Yeah, like, what if there's a guy in front of you?

[787] And as you both bend over, you stand in this guy's sack.

[788] Like, that's not cool.

[789] What I'm trying to say is, I think that it was, for a long time, it was.

[790] It was frowned upon, right?

[791] For men to go to yoga.

[792] And I know I even had those thoughts.

[793] I was saying, well, you know, yoga, I want to go hit the gym and get a pump on.

[794] Get checked.

[795] Get checked.

[796] But now I'm going, well, you know, you see all the benefits and everything.

[797] Yeah.

[798] To incorporate that with the pump.

[799] Well, for jiu -jitsu, it's huge because range of motion is one of the most important things to jihitsu and flexibility, especially when you have a good guard.

[800] Yep.

[801] And I got into yoga for the most part because of Hickson.

[802] Hicks and Gracie.

[803] And I remember in 1994, I saw a video of Hicks and Gracie doing yoga.

[804] And I was like, oh, because I was like, everybody would always say that Hickson was, like, there was all these great Gracie family members.

[805] Hensow was great.

[806] High end was great.

[807] All these guys were great.

[808] Half, but Hickson was always thought to be number one.

[809] And I was like, well, why?

[810] Why is he so much better than everybody else?

[811] And then I realized, oh, he's got like the full package.

[812] Like he has, his dad is Haleo Gracie.

[813] So his dad was like one of the originators of Brazilian jiu -jitsu.

[814] So he grew up with it.

[815] It's in his DNA.

[816] He trained his whole life under the best teachers in the world.

[817] And then yoga and training and exercise.

[818] Like Hickson does balance beams, who stands on a bounce beam and does a full split standing up, holds his foot over his head.

[819] I mean, it's fucking freaky to watch.

[820] He's just got incredible control of his body.

[821] So the dexterity and the control of the body, along with the strength and jujitsu, like that's what made.

[822] Hicks and who he is you know sure it's just it's again it's one of those things it's not as cool as telling someone you deadlift 600 pounds right you know you know what are you doing I'm doing deadlift in 605 I do 605 for three you know everybody's like oh you start that yeah yeah put chains on it because it's not hard enough yeah that kind of stuff is that's gonna that's gonna that's catch up at the end of your life you know that's good that stuff you know it's if you're not careful you too much of that I feel like it's really going to cause A lot of pain in your later life.

[823] It can.

[824] But if you just do yoga, you look like a monk.

[825] Of course.

[826] No, you got to get jacked as well.

[827] It's a little bit of, I don't know.

[828] I mean, it depends on what you're trying to do.

[829] But I agree with you that it does give you a calming thing.

[830] It calms you down or way.

[831] Yeah, and I think.

[832] There's Hickson.

[833] Look at that picture.

[834] Oh, man. Yeah.

[835] I'm on the beach.

[836] Wow.

[837] You know.

[838] I can't do that.

[839] Oh, he's unbelievably flexible.

[840] You got to get into it.

[841] You got to do it.

[842] Yeah.

[843] I mean, Hickson, I mean, there's just not a whole lot of human beings that can do that, but forget about, like, world -class black belts.

[844] Yeah, he's a freak, man. A good combination.

[845] Okay, wait, so I got to go back to the fan boy stuff.

[846] So I just want to ask.

[847] So, so there is a, you started off acting with, like, smaller movies, right?

[848] Sure.

[849] And now you've been, and tell me if I'm, I know you were in Fury.

[850] Yeah.

[851] I didn't remember until that started in.

[852] know who you were.

[853] What's Fury?

[854] Fury was with Brad Pitt, right?

[855] Which one was that?

[856] World War II, David Eyre?

[857] Oh, that's right.

[858] Yeah.

[859] And then now it feels like you, now you're in the big movies.

[860] Well, look, I started 14, 15, almost 15 years ago now doing it.

[861] It's hysterical when people I first sort of got a couple hit movies happen to, oh, overnight success.

[862] Yeah, I know.

[863] That's how it always works.

[864] What the fuck you're talking about?

[865] I've been at it for 10 years, you know, at that point yeah um but you know i started yeah doing a tiny one -liners right you know any chance i got just to just to you know get on set uh play any any any role do any lines whatever just learn soak it up and um yeah i was doing that for years i mean i was doing that for seven eight years you know while i was bartending uh while i was you know valley parking cars anything to you know pay the bills right but how important is that that you actually worked your way through it even though you're clean eastwood sun Right.

[866] That's what I was interested in, is that, I mean, it didn't feel like he helped you.

[867] And I don't know, maybe he did, but.

[868] No, no. Anyone who knows my dad would just laugh at the, you know, they would say, oh, yeah.

[869] I mean, my dad's very old school.

[870] And he's very, very tough on his sons.

[871] I have an older brother.

[872] And it just doesn't happen like that in our family.

[873] There's no handouts.

[874] You want something, you've got to go get it.

[875] And I can't thank him enough for that because it never gave me any.

[876] you know backup it didn't it it didn't make me go well I can just sort of sit around or you know it created drive yeah it created you know hard work and drive and those are all the things that take to make somebody successful yeah like if you were 22 and he made you a star of his big movie that would have probably first of that would it would look it would look really bad on him yeah look weird so and you could yeah I mean he could do that I guess when in his movie but I think the common thing is well you had you know had it easy because you know somebody else he can't just pick up a phone and call some big director and tell him who he should cast and if he did it would be a mess yeah i mean i mean and the director probably tell him you know thank you clint but i keep not not doing that you know this is my movie and i don't even know who your son is when he when he went when he went on tv and did that like thing where he had uh like a seat next to him and he talked to obama you talked to the empty chair we did you call him up and dad go what the fuck dad what are you doing no i stay out of politics i don't even i don't i don't give two shits about politics that wasn't even politics that was just like a play you had like a like a puppet show with no puppet yeah i i did like the intent though yeah because i hate well whatever yeah it was i was good with it i get it but hey restraint of tongue and pen hey uh didn't you try out or i don't you know how to but But didn't you audition?

[877] Audition.

[878] This isn't my wheelhouse.

[879] But for American Sniper, I did.

[880] That was his movie, right?

[881] That was his movie.

[882] So how'd that go?

[883] What happened?

[884] Yeah, you know, I auditioned and, you know, I remember actually talking about.

[885] I knew Bradley Cooper, and I said, hey, you know, I'd love to play your brother.

[886] I read the script.

[887] I'd read the script.

[888] And, you know, I was already doing my own thing at this point.

[889] I was, you know, working for a long time.

[890] But I'd go in periodically and audition for his films.

[891] Yeah.

[892] Because they're Clint Eastwood films.

[893] If I can get an opportunity to audition, great.

[894] And, you know, when I said that, I'd love to play your brother in it or, you know, one of those roles.

[895] And he probably kind of looked at me like, you know, I don't, yeah, maybe, okay, cool.

[896] Kind of brush you out of her.

[897] I was friends with them.

[898] And then so, you know, I sort of, you know, said, hey, you know, can I get an audition to, you know, go audition for this through my dad's company?

[899] And so I went and put myself on tape.

[900] It's pretty simple when you go audition for him.

[901] He's not, he's not there.

[902] No one's there or anything.

[903] You just go put yourself on tape with a casting director.

[904] Okay.

[905] And then, you know, you either hear something back or you don't.

[906] Yeah.

[907] And that's sort of the, that's the end of it.

[908] And a lot of times you never do.

[909] I mean, that's how it goes for actors.

[910] Yeah.

[911] So that's what happened with that?

[912] Yeah.

[913] You put it on tape and then didn't hear back.

[914] Yeah, no. You didn't say what dad was up.

[915] No, it didn't work like that in my family.

[916] Really?

[917] Nah, he's too old.

[918] I would never even dare to bring up something like that.

[919] That's interesting to respect.

[920] Yeah, that's, I mean.

[921] That's probably why you're so normal.

[922] Me?

[923] Yeah, because, look, those people that are in those sheltered families, Yeah, it's not good.

[924] It's not good.

[925] It's not good for you.

[926] No, you know, you don't have the value for a dollar, the value for hard work.

[927] You don't have, everything becomes blurred.

[928] Well, they're handed to you.

[929] You know?

[930] I think that's the same way with inheritance.

[931] I mean, it's very rare that someone inherits a shitload of money early on in life and then winds up having character and being, they say that Donald Trump is like that, that he's a cool guy.

[932] Like, everybody I know that's met him.

[933] I know he gets a lot of weird press.

[934] But the guys that I know that know him Say he's a really nice guy Really down to earth Really normal really healthy And I've heard that about a lot of Trump's kids Which is really strange Because he's like he's this crazy You know I'm the best I do the best things My ratings are the best But you would think that he would be like This dicky dad But apparently he's done a great job as a dad Which is very strange But that's what I hear about Donald Trump Jr. Yeah I've heard that too And he's got to be cool He's got that going Maybe that's why he's cool.

[935] I mean, maybe that...

[936] That's probably it.

[937] I mean, it might have something to do with it, for real.

[938] Like, just all those experiences in the wild.

[939] Well, no, and we...

[940] Just today.

[941] So, we've shot a lot of air...

[942] I mean, I've been doing this for 30 years.

[943] You've been doing this for years now.

[944] And still, it's so humbling.

[945] Yeah.

[946] I mean, there's, you know, it's not easy making a good shot.

[947] Yeah, every now and then, one goes right into the neck of the target.

[948] And you're like, what the fuck?

[949] I've been doing this all day.

[950] Yeah.

[951] And one just, doink, just goes wrong.

[952] You talk about ego checks.

[953] I mean, anytime you think you're good at archery, for sure, there's a wake -up call.

[954] Yeah, I mean, it is not easy.

[955] Yeah.

[956] It's not an easy thing to do.

[957] And then also, it's like waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, stalking, stalking, stalking, stalking.

[958] And then all of a sudden, here comes a time.

[959] Ready?

[960] Get ready.

[961] Pull a shot.

[962] Now?

[963] Is it really happening?

[964] Is it really?

[965] And then you have to execute a great shot under this insane, tremendous play.

[966] Have you done bow hunting yet?

[967] Yep.

[968] What have you bohunted?

[969] Deer.

[970] Have you been successful?

[971] I have.

[972] That's a nice thing, huh?

[973] Yeah.

[974] What kind?

[975] Blacktail?

[976] What did you do?

[977] Yeah, in California.

[978] Oh, okay.

[979] Nice.

[980] And it's, it is like very, it's very, like you said, it's totally in the pocket.

[981] All of a sudden it's now, an adrenaline, adrenaline, and then you're, you know, it's over because you either missed the shot or you, you know, you didn't take it.

[982] And you're like, you know what they say, Cam, that there's a direct correlation between lower heart rate and good archers.

[983] That there's actually been studies done, you know, like in these European circles where there are target archers.

[984] And one of the things that they found to improve, Dudley was talking about this on his podcast, knock on, on his podcast, he was talking about that running in particular is really good at lowering your heart rate, obviously.

[985] But then also the side effect of that is it improves archery and it improves your ability under pressure to keep your heart rate down because your heart rate is naturally lower.

[986] Right.

[987] You know, like, your resting heart rate has got to be stupid low.

[988] Like, what is it?

[989] I don't know.

[990] 40s.

[991] Yeah.

[992] 40s, wow.

[993] Yeah.

[994] So I thought mine was good in the, like, you know, 55 or something.

[995] That's crazy.

[996] Yeah.

[997] You know what Michael Bisping's is?

[998] 34.

[999] Yeah.

[1000] Most good marathon runners are low 40s, you know, upper 30s.

[1001] Yeah.

[1002] So when you have that going for you, like say if your heart rate gets jacked up and you calm it down, you're probably still going to be like within the 60s or 70s.

[1003] these whereas a guy who's like some fucking bubba with some big sloppy gut and you know and he's taking rip fuel just so he can get up to the top of the mountain yeah when he gets up there and see something he's like yeah he's tired he's winded his heart rate's already jacked and it's harder to execute a good shot under those conditions yeah and i mean just like with running and exercising you recover faster the better shape you're in so yeah that's kind of why i mean it can go it can peak but then it's back low normal and then you're more composed so I mean it takes a while for those guys to recover if they're not in shape after all my years of exercising I've just started running we're running today we're running today we're running today we're running the trails today after this I'm gonna keep I'm trying to keep up with him ridiculous that's crazy yeah I'm just not for me buddy it's like doing jiu jihitsa with Hickson you know you're gonna get killed just go out there and do it yeah don't be a pussy how many miles you guys do today well probably 20 or 30 If he can make that.

[1004] No, just kidding.

[1005] You're kidding, right?

[1006] It's got weird shoes on.

[1007] Honestly, seriously, if you're training for 230 miles, how many do you do a day?

[1008] Yeah.

[1009] Because you can't do a marathon every day, right?

[1010] You kill yourself.

[1011] He was doing a half marathon every day.

[1012] Yeah, at least.

[1013] You know, there's days, or I mean, there's weeks getting ready for the Bigfoot that I ran 130, 140 miles.

[1014] So that's almost 20 miles a day.

[1015] And the Bigfoot, it's 205 miles over 7.

[1016] What did you do, 78 hours?

[1017] 78, 56.

[1018] Did you see that Ultramarathon guy who finished six seconds past the deadline?

[1019] Oh, Barclay, the Barclay Marathon.

[1020] Yeah, he fucked up, and he took a detour?

[1021] I know.

[1022] That race, they've been sending me messages, and they tagged, I don't know if it was both of us, but the other day, or did a tweet, somebody mentioned my name for it.

[1023] And so the race actually tweeted and said that I wouldn't be able to finish because I'd want to get up in a tree stand.

[1024] kill some of the wild pigs running around.

[1025] There's a lot of pigs?

[1026] Yeah, apparently, I didn't know this.

[1027] But so that Barkley Marathon itself tweeted that.

[1028] Where is it?

[1029] Tennessee.

[1030] Oh, yeah.

[1031] That's, the place is infested, apparently.

[1032] Yeah, Tennessee.

[1033] So it's, uh, and I got it, there's a whole story behind it.

[1034] I wish I knew it because I'm going to sound stupid, but there's a prison there.

[1035] And I can't remember who was in the prison.

[1036] Some famous criminal killed somebody or tried to kill somebody.

[1037] Anyway, escaped.

[1038] And he made it.

[1039] uh was out for 55 hours something like that made it just eight miles and and they got them so that's kind of how the race originated there's a there's a story behind it so the race is there around that prison in that in that same country oh wow and so the goal the time limit is something around that 55 hours and that's you have five loops you go one one way in the first loop opposite opposite and you have and the course isn't marked so you're navigating with a map that you have to create yourself.

[1040] And to get the checkpoints, there's books there at every checkpoint, and you have a certain number of the page.

[1041] And they say you go and pull out page 12 of every book.

[1042] This is how it works.

[1043] And then you bring it back to make sure, and they check you when you get the lap completed and say, okay, you hit every checkpoint, here's all the pages of those books, and then you do another lap.

[1044] But what if you run with some douchebag who's like, fuck page three, I'm pulling his page out too.

[1045] page seven could suck my ass and just starts pulling people's pages out I don't I you know there's there's honor and if somebody working that hard usually don't have to worry they respect other people working that hard too you know what I mean it's just kind of the thing yeah the honor system the culture of it yeah so I mean I wouldn't worry about something like that but it sounds like a brutal race I think only it might be up to 15 people now have completed it in 25 years whoa Oh, it's tough.

[1046] And this guy missed it by six seconds?

[1047] Yeah.

[1048] Jesus Christ, because he fucked up and made an error in his path?

[1049] Something happened, and I can't, I don't, I didn't read the whole story, but yeah.

[1050] So you have to do it inside of 60 hours.

[1051] Is that what it is?

[1052] Something like that, yeah.

[1053] And he was like 60 hours and six seconds or something like that.

[1054] It says he, when he was going around the race, he found, he came to a staircase, and there's no staircases in the marathon, so he knew he fucked up then.

[1055] Oh, okay.

[1056] Oh, boy.

[1057] He was super sleep deprived.

[1058] He knew he made a wrong turn.

[1059] He was two miles from the end of the race.

[1060] Wow.

[1061] And there's no course.

[1062] So you just run in the woods?

[1063] Yeah.

[1064] Jesus Christ.

[1065] It sounds ridiculous.

[1066] So they have the map up there, the Topo map up there, and you create your own map off of that map.

[1067] And you can't use a map.

[1068] You can't use a phone.

[1069] You can't use a GPS.

[1070] So there's navigating as part of the same.

[1071] When are you doing it?

[1072] I want to do it.

[1073] I know you do.

[1074] I do.

[1075] I do.

[1076] Yeah, to get entered is that's a whole process in itself.

[1077] You have to send like a letter and a $1 .47, something like that, into the race director, and they select who they want in there.

[1078] And then you have to bring a license plate from your house, from your home state, and like a shirt to the guy.

[1079] And then you're in.

[1080] Wow.

[1081] So there's, I mean, a lot of crazy, I don't know, it's just a history.

[1082] Can you bring him a shirt?

[1083] Can you give him a keep hammering shirt?

[1084] I don't know.

[1085] I just have to be a specific shirt.

[1086] I think he chooses, I don't know.

[1087] I watch a documentary, but I don't remember every detail.

[1088] Are you doing some really nutty one soon?

[1089] Well, I need to talk to Candace about it, the race director of the Bigfoot.

[1090] She's putting on the Moab.

[1091] It's a 234 -mile race.

[1092] This will be the first one.

[1093] It's the longest one there is.

[1094] So you're going to do what you did, the Bigfoot 200, which is 205 miles, And then you're going to do another 29 miles.

[1095] That's ridiculous.

[1096] That's what I need to run a buyer.

[1097] I mean, it was successful last time.

[1098] We got, a lot of people followed along, which is what we wanted, you know.

[1099] When you were running?

[1100] Yeah, yeah, with the live tracking.

[1101] And it was cool because the race is so special.

[1102] And she's so special as far as her passion for this and creating these opportunities for people to really test themselves.

[1103] And she was on your podcast.

[1104] Yeah, yeah.

[1105] I'm a big fan of hers.

[1106] What's her last name?

[1107] Candice Burt.

[1108] And the key primary number, number, what?

[1109] No. Four or five was it?

[1110] I'm not sure.

[1111] Okay.

[1112] People will find it.

[1113] Yeah.

[1114] No, it was good, though, because she's super cool.

[1115] And so she's putting on this new one in Moab, and it's, you know, further than any other race.

[1116] And so I want to do it.

[1117] There it is.

[1118] Race number three, Moab 200.

[1119] Yeah.

[1120] Why do they call them 200s when they're 234?

[1121] I don't know.

[1122] That's what I...

[1123] It's like the Bigfoot thing.

[1124] Called Bigfoot 205, God damn it.

[1125] I feel like 34 miles is a little too far just to round down.

[1126] It's a weird number.

[1127] I mean, I mean, let's call the, how about the Moab 250?

[1128] That's closer if you're going to round.

[1129] I like that.

[1130] I like that.

[1131] It's better.

[1132] Sounds better.

[1133] Yeah, so 234 .3.

[1134] And if you run 234 miles an extra 16, probably just like, who cares?

[1135] Yeah.

[1136] I'm already dead.

[1137] It's a long way.

[1138] It's a lot.

[1139] Look at that country.

[1140] Doesn't that looks beautiful?

[1141] It does.

[1142] But it's going to be in July, isn't it?

[1143] No, no. Oh, okay.

[1144] So that's not bad.

[1145] You'll be fairly cool.

[1146] Now, you were saying that when you do one of these things, you don't sleep.

[1147] Like, you slept, like, maybe an hour a couple of times?

[1148] Yeah.

[1149] And that's how, you know, if you want to win, the guy who won Richard, Total Beast, I was asking how long, because my goal was to win.

[1150] You know, I didn't achieve my goal.

[1151] My goal was to, I wanted to get the fastest ever.

[1152] So I came up short on that.

[1153] What place did you place?

[1154] I finished eighth.

[1155] Yeah, so I was winning through 62 miles, I think, and Richard passed me. Fuck Richard.

[1156] No, he's a stud.

[1157] But I was asking, I'm like, how long had he been sleeping, you know, at these checkpoints?

[1158] And they said, 15 minutes.

[1159] I'm like, so I decided I wasn't going to sleep until I got 100 miles down.

[1160] I wanted to get at least halfway done.

[1161] So got to 100, slept for about an hour, and got up, and then I ended up sleeping for three hours total over the 78 hours.

[1162] So you sleep about an hour a day if your hope is to compete to win or to, you know, place high like I wanted to.

[1163] Jesus Christ.

[1164] You just can't sleep.

[1165] You don't have any interest in doing that.

[1166] No. No, I talked about yesterday.

[1167] I said absolutely no fucking way.

[1168] Yeah.

[1169] It takes a rare kind of kook.

[1170] It's just, you know, it's just like it's a different type of test just to see what you're capable of.

[1171] Yeah, I get it.

[1172] I get it.

[1173] I'm just not that into running.

[1174] Do you run at all?

[1175] Like this morning, I ran the treadmill before I hit the weights, but just to warm up because there was nothing in the gym I was at, but not really.

[1176] You can go with us later.

[1177] Maybe I'll come with you guys.

[1178] Yeah, fuck Conan.

[1179] Let's run to Conan.

[1180] Can we run to, um, uh, fuck Conan.

[1181] breathe and break dust and all that terrible shit out of all that crap i say we run there and then shoot bows there oh yeah yeah tell conan this is what we really should be concentrating on isn't he like 10 foot tall he's a big guy very tall six seven or super nice guy is he yeah yeah yeah you went when somebody was on his show you like went with them right sturgel surgel simpson yeah yeah yeah i went and hang out with him down there didn't he did he won a grammy yeah he won a grammy yeah that's awesome he's a he's another guy that's like a super famous super successful guy that you would never know if you met him just as normal as they get yeah he was fucking working on a railroad car like he was working for a train company just like a couple of years before he made it his wife talked him into doing music she was like you know you don't suck at this well that's what jock me about when i met Cameron we came out in the conversation he's still working for uh uh yeah Your utility company I was trying to get him to quit for two years You're a professional hunter And I was like you do all this great stuff I follow you what do you mean And he's like yeah I still have this other job And I'm like wow I was like super you know I was a lot of respectful I've been trying to get him to quit forever We have more time How many times are I trying to get to quit?

[1182] Today About 10 today He's like let's go to Hawaii We can hunt there They got all sorts of axes deer Yeah it's gonna be awesome So that's in June.

[1183] Well, I'm going, and I'm trying to drag him along because I'm going to have to quit my job.

[1184] I'm like, good, we killed two birds with one stone.

[1185] I know.

[1186] So it's like, yeah.

[1187] You're going to go with like Shane Dorian or something?

[1188] Yeah, Shane's going to be down there.

[1189] My friend Remy Warren's going to be down there.

[1190] John Dudley's going to be down there.

[1191] She'd be a gay old time.

[1192] Hey, man, if you got an extra spot, do you want to go?

[1193] For real?

[1194] I'll see if we can make something happen.

[1195] I'll see if we can make something happen.

[1196] I'll find out what's going on.

[1197] But apparently, Lanai in particular, well, they say Maui.

[1198] uh remi warren just got back from maui so maui's got good on the south side yeah they've been a lot down there yeah so have you hunted there too no oh we never did no where have you hunted in south here mostly in uh the southern californ area but uh you know when you uh were hunting were you still hunting spot and stock like what are you doing no just just knowing the areas with with you know a friend who knew the areas and walking and you know uh flushing them out And you were doing it with that Ross bow?

[1199] Why laughing?

[1200] It's nothing wrong with that.

[1201] He's just a little bit self -conscious about the Ross.

[1202] Yeah, that's wrong with it, man. That thing was a good book.

[1203] Hey, it killed a deer, apparently.

[1204] Well, now that you have a Hoyt, though.

[1205] Yeah, that thing's like the most balance.

[1206] I mean, you feel immediately.

[1207] They're so good.

[1208] Those new ones are so good.

[1209] It's so crazy because the first one Cam ever got me was only four years ago.

[1210] And you would think, like, wow, that's, you know, that's pretty recent.

[1211] and it was awesome at the time but if you had to go back to it today be like oh this piece of shit like this thing it's like but not really but bow technology just keeps increasing every year they get a little better a little better a little bit better yeah sure and you might not know I mean because I always say it's like oh I try not to be the guy who's like oh this is the best thing I've ever shot but it's slightly better and as we know in hunting that there's a fine line between success and failure so that's slightly better might be the difference.

[1212] You know a lot more.

[1213] I'm an amateur in comparison.

[1214] And I don't want to slant.

[1215] I did beat him.

[1216] I did out shoot him.

[1217] He did.

[1218] Did you really?

[1219] Wait a couple times.

[1220] He's like, you're taking a liberty.

[1221] I remember liberty there.

[1222] I remember a time.

[1223] Well, that is the beautiful thing about archery is that there really is no perfection in archery.

[1224] I mean, you can get a perfect shot, but to be perfect every time you shoot is never been done, really.

[1225] No. Well, I will say.

[1226] by the end of the day we were out there in the parking lot of Riverside Archery we had a 46 -yard shot and Scott was laying him in there I mean a nice tight group we were shooting three arrows at a time I mean so and that's just in a day with that new bow that new bow yeah yeah dude we were Cam and I were talking about this today if people knew how good it feels to like steady yourself anchor like look to that peep sight breathe release that arrow and watch it thunk right where you're it's the best feeling it feels so good well we filmed today and so I took a shot 61 yards with my big old heavy arrow and I shot and I like run up to the binoculars when I look and it was a perfect shot and I was like so excited it was like the first time I ever shot a bow and that was not that's just how fun it is this is how excited I still get and we're just and people I told Joe I said if people knew this or I mean they're gonna watch us and go I want to do that That looks awesome If you're after 30 years You're getting this excited It's just love it We were talking about this today And I want to bring this up And I think Hoyt should do this The big entry barrier In learning archery Is having someone teach you And like going somewhere And not knowing how to get started Like once you get started And you say oh I'm a 28 inch straw Oh I like a 450 grain arrow And you know all the stuff that you need Then it's it becomes easy easier to sort of do.

[1227] But the beginning, it's so daunting and confusing.

[1228] The learning curve is so long.

[1229] They should have, like Hoyt should have a Hoyt Academy, or a place you can go where you could buy a bow, they size you, they fit you up to the correct draw length, and then you sign up for a class, and there's a teacher, and they show you how to do it.

[1230] If there was something like that, whereas, like, you know, you can go take karate somewhere, you could take jujitsu somewhere, go try to take archery somewhere.

[1231] There's not a lot of places.

[1232] And if they are you know like the first place that i went to is a little fucking sketchy you know they weren't they didn't really you know my little draw length there's too long yeah it's good pro shops are hard to find i mean i'm lucky with the bow rack back home um and wayne does that wayne takes takes he teaches him right he coaches them and uh seemed like riverside archery was that chris there um he's a nice guy oh totally and totally knows archery too so but those might be a unique example because there's a lot of pro shops.

[1233] I mean, this guy who works with Under Armour is telling me about his pro shop back home.

[1234] They were almost making fun of him.

[1235] Actually, not him, but his cousin was in there trying to get set up with a bow.

[1236] And it was just like...

[1237] We made fun of him, why?

[1238] Because he's an...

[1239] He didn't know.

[1240] He didn't know.

[1241] It's just like, so you never know what you're going to get.

[1242] There's all sorts of different type of people out there.

[1243] I pulled up to the hotel to come up to L .A. He's going to do some press.

[1244] and I opened up the town with the Hotel Bellar and I opened up the door of my truck and all the field tips come out and everyone looked like the Bellman's looking at me going and what the fuck are you doing compound bows in the car in L .A. Yeah, they don't know how to handle that.

[1245] Yeah, if you were in Cam's neighborhood they were like, oh, you're bow hunting?

[1246] Yeah, I don't know.

[1247] Out here they're like, hmm, what's this guy doing?

[1248] Yeah, he's going to kill somebody.

[1249] Probably, right?

[1250] Or you're a big Walking Dead fan.

[1251] Yeah.

[1252] That show drives me crazy.

[1253] When those arrows just stick in those zombie heads, I'm like, why do they just stick?

[1254] How come there's no pass -throughs?

[1255] You know, and that's on Fighter and the Kid yesterday.

[1256] They're asking about that.

[1257] They're like, what would an error do?

[1258] It would go halfway in, like, in the movies?

[1259] Oh, my God.

[1260] And I'm like, it wouldn't even slow.

[1261] You wouldn't even feel it.

[1262] It wouldn't even slow down.

[1263] Yeah.

[1264] It'd be like, and I told him about the, we put up this bear clip.

[1265] Joe, before we, I think before we realized the venom that will come out of, of bear hunting, but Joe retweeted the video of this bear stood up and I was grabbing this beaver up there and I shot it and we had a GoPro on the backside of it and the arrow went through the bear, came out the backside and it was just like, didn't even slow down.

[1266] No. I mean, and just kind of all this stuff kind of came out with the arrow and it was just like, what was the sound?

[1267] That's the sound that arrow made going through the bear.

[1268] It just blasts through the bear's body and then the bear went on a full sprint.

[1269] You know, like, almost right where you guys were.

[1270] Just slightly off to your right.

[1271] Yeah.

[1272] And when, if you've never seen a bear sprint before, like when you see them lumber around, you go, oh, well, I kind of get an idea what that thing can do.

[1273] Bullshit.

[1274] Right.

[1275] You know, that thing is like Usain Bolt when you threw an arrow through it.

[1276] Right.

[1277] And that's so, that's a 400 -pound bear.

[1278] So you could imagine what, you know, Brian was asking about, what is he, 160 pounds, something like that?

[1279] Brian, there's about 110.

[1280] 10, maybe 106, somewhere around there.

[1281] But anyway, I told him, I said, yeah, these bows wouldn't even slow down.

[1282] You wouldn't even know what, I mean.

[1283] You would be too late.

[1284] It would go through you and then you'd go, what just sat?

[1285] Oh, why am I?

[1286] Yeah.

[1287] Why did I see?

[1288] Grandpa.

[1289] Yeah, so walking dead.

[1290] Grandpa.

[1291] Grandpa's reaching out and holding your hand.

[1292] I missed that one.

[1293] Taking on a skateboard through the clouds.

[1294] But yeah, so with the walking dead, yeah, they got some rotten zombie head and the arrows are just sticking in it.

[1295] Speaking of near -death experience, I wanted to ask you this, because I listen to your podcast a lot, and I know you talk about DMT and, you know, some of the stuff you see when, you know, like it produces in your mind or you produce it in your body, right?

[1296] Is that the chemical you release, like, when you die or when you have, like, a near -death experience?

[1297] They believe so.

[1298] Here's the deal.

[1299] They didn't know for sure until really recently that it was even produced by the pineal gland.

[1300] Now that they know, there's a, the guy named...

[1301] So it is produced by then?

[1302] There's a guy named Rick Strassman, Dr. Rick Strassman, out of the University of New Mexico.

[1303] And he put together these clinical trials that were the first ever FDA -approved clinical trials on a psychedelic drug, first ever on DMT.

[1304] And they were done in New Mexico, and he did them, and he wrote a book about it called DMT, the Spirit Molecule.

[1305] And one of the things that he found, it's a great book.

[1306] And one of the things he found really fascinating, and I read the book before I ever did DMT, the thing that is, the thing that is, found really fascinating was that these people had used uniform experiences yeah it wasn't like one person saw this thing and then another person had a totally different trip no they all had like fairly uniform experiences and here's the other thing that's really fascinating their experiences in many ways mirror the experiences of people that have been abducted by aliens sure and people that have near -death experiences and the connection they think is that the brain produces this chemical called dimethyltryptamine.

[1307] And we know that it's produced by the liver, we know that it's produced by the lungs.

[1308] And then in Eastern mysticism, it always thought that the pineal gland was the seed of the soul, that it was the third eye, and literally in reptiles, it has a retina and a cornea.

[1309] It actually, it's like literally an eyeball in the center of your head.

[1310] And in the Vatican, there's a gigantic sculpture of a pine cone in the Vatican.

[1311] And that pine cone is supposed to represent, the pineal gland.

[1312] See if you can get a photo of that gigantic pine cone.

[1313] And I was actually in the Vatican last summer and I had a conversation with the guide.

[1314] We had this really cool guy who was a professor who's explaining to us all the different stuff that, you know, it's all the different symbols and what they mean.

[1315] And they've, they're Eastern mysticism and a lot of ancient religions have always been focused, heavily focused on the pine cone and pineal gland.

[1316] And that is what that's supposed to represent that, that gigantic.

[1317] gigantic pine cone in the middle of...

[1318] And I hear there's something now, like, people smoke pine cone, or there's some...

[1319] Really?

[1320] People, yeah, there's some...

[1321] People smoke socks, if you give them to them.

[1322] Some people are assholes.

[1323] No, but I heard that.

[1324] I mean, heard that now that there's some sort of...

[1325] Because DMT is like a plant, right?

[1326] It's plant -based, right?

[1327] That is the thing, is that the DMT doesn't just exist in one plant.

[1328] It exists in thousands of different plants.

[1329] Sure.

[1330] That's why they have ayahuasca.

[1331] And what ayahuasca is, is an orally active DMT.

[1332] So DMT normally when you eat it, your body produces something in your digestive tract called monoamine oxidase.

[1333] The blocks it, right?

[1334] Yeah.

[1335] And so what ayahuasca is is DMT from one plant and an MAO inhibitor from another plant.

[1336] And they combine it together and they create an orally active DMT.

[1337] Because otherwise, you'd just be tripping every time you eat a salad.

[1338] Like you get some wheatgrass juice.

[1339] you chip your balls off, but your body keeps that from happening.

[1340] Gotcha.

[1341] But the purpose of that DMT and what it does in human neurochemistry is not really understood that well.

[1342] But what they do know now because of Rick Strassman and the work of the Cottonwood Research Foundation, which is a foundation that's dedicated to exploring these subjects, they've found that in live rats, rats are mice, I forget which one, that they've proven that their pineal gland is producing dimethyptomy, which is what they've always, It's always been anecdotal evidence.

[1343] So now they know that it's not just produced by the liver and the lungs, but it's also produced by this little gland.

[1344] And this little gland, they think during near -death experiences and during heavy REM sleep, it's producing DMT.

[1345] How much they don't really know?

[1346] Because they would have to get in there, and they'd have to somehow or another figure out a way to measure it while you're alive.

[1347] They haven't figured out how to do that yet, because it's in the center of your head.

[1348] They'd have to drill in there and tap it.

[1349] Who knows how the fuck they could do that with today's technology.

[1350] maybe someday in the future they'll be able to figure that out.

[1351] No, I mean, I've been fascinated by it.

[1352] Ever since listening to you, talk about it, and then watching your documentary on it.

[1353] DMT, the spirit molecule.

[1354] That's all based on Strassman's work.

[1355] Yeah.

[1356] So, I mean, it's crazy.

[1357] I mean, I tried it one time, and it was, you know, it was unlike anything for the 10 minutes I've ever experienced in my entire life.

[1358] And so it was, you know, after that I've obviously read all the stuff, try to, you know.

[1359] What's interesting is I think no one will probably ever know until you do it or no I just mean what it what like what there's something there's a phenomenon happening that we just as humans can't possibly understand yeah maybe we'll never understand in our lifetime well you know there's two different ways of looking at it one is that it's a human neurochemistry um and that is a chemical that it's just producing these crazy visuals and it's just all the meaning that you attach to is just your own and then the other way of looking at it is it's some sort of a chemical gateway into the afterlife and that what you're seeing is like the soul of these people that have lived before and all the people that have ever lived like a sea of souls and I don't know what who's right or who's wrong but it's impossible to describe like you describe it it's just like you're just throwing words around just it doesn't doesn't work yeah you know and it's produced by your own body that's the weirdest thing like everybody has it like Terrence McKinney used to do a joke about it he said everybody's holding it's a schedule one compound but everybody tests positive for it wow it's it's illegal but is it's it's illegal but is it's Is it illegal?

[1360] 100%.

[1361] How do they decide whether it's going to be illegal if it's a plant -based thing?

[1362] That is the problem.

[1363] The plants that all contain it are all legal.

[1364] They are all legal.

[1365] And then it's illegal.

[1366] But it's in all these legal plants.

[1367] But it's in thousands of plants.

[1368] That's part of the problem.

[1369] It's like you can have a San Pedro cactus and keep it in your house.

[1370] And everybody's like, what's that?

[1371] Like, oh, it's a pretty cactus.

[1372] Yeah.

[1373] Yeah, but it's also There's drugs in that fucking cactus I mean that's that's where mescaline comes from comes from that You know anything about it Yeah, trip your balls off from a fucking cactus That's crazy Yeah That's crazy, I mean when the peyote rituals That's from a cactus That's the San Pedro cactus Is this mescaline the same thing as pey?

[1374] I think so I think See if you can Google that Jamie I believe that peyote and mescaline Or is like that's the slang or something for it Is it?

[1375] Yeah, mescaline is occurs naturally in the peyote cactus.

[1376] Yeah, so you could have that cactus in your house, and you're basically a drug dealer.

[1377] But meanwhile, you're not.

[1378] You're a little old lady who enjoys succulence.

[1379] You know, like, oh, it says you're pretty cactus.

[1380] I love it.

[1381] I can go out of town for a week and come back, and it's fine.

[1382] Yeah, so that's a really cool -looking cactus that people keep in their yard all the time in L .A. Like, one of the things in L .A., because of the drought that we have for so many years until this year, which is awesome, everything looks like New Zealand out there now.

[1383] Yeah, it is nice.

[1384] But people would have these hardscapes in their yards where they would just have rocks and succulents and cactus.

[1385] So there's a lot of people that have those cactuses.

[1386] That cactus, you could go meet Jesus with that cactus.

[1387] Have you done it?

[1388] No. No, I've never done peyote.

[1389] Yeah, that seems like a long time, though, right?

[1390] It's one of the longer ones, I think.

[1391] I think it's a few hours.

[1392] But so is ayahuasca.

[1393] You know, I haven't done that either.

[1394] I've only done the DMT is like a shorter, more post.

[1395] Potent form of it.

[1396] Yeah, but I've done it several times over the course of an evening where it's like been like a couple hour experience Do you feel like it's obviously, you know people who have done it, they know it's just like it's not something that you're doing recreationally.

[1397] It's something that's like, okay, you do this this one time.

[1398] It's or, you know, a couple times.

[1399] It's not like you're out going to the club.

[1400] Oh, no. You know what I mean?

[1401] It's a very spiritual sort of thing you do.

[1402] That word spiritual is so beaten down.

[1403] It's one of those words I don't even like to use.

[1404] I don't even like to use.

[1405] I don't know.

[1406] Okay.

[1407] Because it's, you know what I mean?

[1408] It's like, like, so many people like, I'm not religious, but I'm spiritual.

[1409] Like, it almost seems like, you know what I mean?

[1410] It seems like, I've got a spiritual gangster show I'm about to throw away as soon as I get home.

[1411] Joe Rogan says it's not cool.

[1412] Well, it's not that it's not cool.

[1413] It's just, it's kind of been co -opted by nonsense.

[1414] Sure.

[1415] You know, and not even nonsense intentionally.

[1416] I mean, people say that they, like, they'll say things and they don't mean anything.

[1417] It's not that they're lying or they're being deceptive.

[1418] It's just that it's such a problematic word.

[1419] No, yeah.

[1420] What I mean, I guess I can say better, is it's an experience that, you know, is something that's very powerful.

[1421] It's very profound.

[1422] Yeah, it's profound.

[1423] And you want to sort of do it and talk about it and have a collective sort of discussion about it, you know.

[1424] Yeah.

[1425] And it's also, there's also a real problem with perception, especially amongst people that haven't experienced psychedelic drugs, that when you say the word drug, or you say psychedelic, Because when you say the word drug, people automatically have in their head, oh, you're a weak person, you're trying to hide from reality.

[1426] You know, you're trying to shield yourself.

[1427] You're just trying to get high and just lay around.

[1428] Like, ugh, I don't even want to be here, man. It couldn't be further from the truth.

[1429] It's like one of the most self -exploratory and deeply disturbing in its profound and powerful effects.

[1430] It's very shocking.

[1431] And you leave it once it's over.

[1432] you're a different person man now that you just now that you know that that's a real possibility you're going to be a different person yeah maybe i was maybe you won't i mean it's it's all i mean depends on where how you're coming into it and then what kind of defense mechanisms you have what kind of ego you have whether or not you can just realize like now that you've seen this you know that life will never be the same again you're you're always going to know that that's a possibility that you can smoke this crystal powder that's extracted from plants, and when you smoke it, you're transported to a world of love and understanding and geometric patterns of infinite description to the point where you can't even describe.

[1433] You don't even know what you're looking at, why you're looking at it.

[1434] It's just so beyond.

[1435] Like lifts the veil from what we think is reality.

[1436] Yeah.

[1437] And it might be heaven.

[1438] It might be the afterlife.

[1439] It really might be.

[1440] It might be a reason why people think that heaven is filled with ultimate love.

[1441] It's because people have had near -death experiences and they've come back with these stories.

[1442] And during those near -death experiences, it's entirely possible.

[1443] Not just speculative, not just like, it might absolutely be that your brain is producing this dimethythotryptamine that it already produces in high doses.

[1444] And that's what it's there for.

[1445] We don't know, you know.

[1446] Sure.

[1447] But you've done it.

[1448] Yep.

[1449] Yeah.

[1450] A lot of people have done it now.

[1451] I know.

[1452] More people than ever.

[1453] That's crazy.

[1454] In history, for sure.

[1455] For sure, more people listening to this now have experienced DMT than probably at any time in human history.

[1456] And, yeah, I tell people when they ask, you know, if you haven't done it, you should do it.

[1457] Because it's mind opening.

[1458] You know, you go, well, okay, you realize it's humbling, I think, too.

[1459] There's a lot we don't understand that's happening and then we may never understand and to be so close -minded to think we know one path or the other.

[1460] what's the right thing or the wrong thing is arrogant it's very ego shattering it's very ego shattering it's very ego shattering and it also once you know that that's possible it's like how is that possible how is it possible that you're just 30 seconds away from that at any time I know it's crazy yeah yeah can't it's never experienced it no no I can't I get drug tested at work he drinks Miller light though well I don't think it's even uh that wouldn't even come up on a drug test it's a plant base right I mean no it wouldn't come up at all you your body test positive for it always because you have it in your yeah Okay, let's do it.

[1461] Where is it?

[1462] It's back home.

[1463] Just kidding.

[1464] We've got to go into a vault.

[1465] Michael Bisping's going to get mad at us.

[1466] Why?

[1467] He was mad that you're talking about smoking pot all the time.

[1468] Really?

[1469] When?

[1470] A couple days ago.

[1471] For real?

[1472] Why was he mad at that?

[1473] I don't know.

[1474] It's silly.

[1475] Why would anybody be mad at that?

[1476] Pots are awesome.

[1477] Settled down, Mike.

[1478] He talks about drinking beer all the time.

[1479] Mike's always drunk.

[1480] Like, he did this whole thing where he's talking about being in Vegas.

[1481] And, you know, he was talking to GSP.

[1482] and GSP is like, you're drunk.

[1483] He goes, of course I'm drunk.

[1484] I'm in Vegas.

[1485] He goes, I just got here.

[1486] I was drinking last night.

[1487] He said he doesn't put up all the time that he's drinking beer.

[1488] Did you see this, Jamie?

[1489] Why can't GSP?

[1490] No, Bisbing.

[1491] Oh, but go ahead.

[1492] You're talking about GSP.

[1493] No, Bisping was drunk.

[1494] Oh, okay.

[1495] And GSP called him out on it.

[1496] Like he said, like, you smell like alcohol.

[1497] He's like, yeah, I was drinking all night.

[1498] The fuck's wrong with you.

[1499] I'm in Vegas.

[1500] Okay.

[1501] Well, why would Bisping be upset that I talk about beer, or I talk about, or I talk about pot when he's always talking about beer that's silly maybe that's not true would you you sure jamie you find that james's gonna find it hit he's talking about you and it's probably just making fun of me you and diaz nick diaz he's probably trying to get a fight with nick diaz that's probably what it is maybe maybe it's angling for a fight i figured you would have seen it no i love michael i think he's a bad motherfucker yeah that guy's tough as shit man can't even see out of one eye i know he's got one eye that's all fucked up they filled it they did an eye operation on it and then filled it up with oil so that it doesn't the retina doesn't rupture again when uh so he's fighting gsp when is that do we know when they do not have a date they're trying to figure it out but bisping is said that if gsp can't make it by july he'll fight somebody else so he might fight go over mr spina michael bisping blast jo rogan and nick diaz for positively promoting cannabis told you but that might not be real like you know by saying blasts, you'd have to hear what he actually said.

[1502] I can't tell what it's from, it doesn't you say.

[1503] It's all clickbait nowadays.

[1504] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1505] So you might have just seen that it might have literally been, oh, he's probably hanging out with Joe Rogan, you know, like one of those things.

[1506] Did you see that 60 minutes on and all that, you know, I know this word's a topical word, but fake news or whatever you see the 60 minutes on it?

[1507] Hashtack no, I do.

[1508] Oh, yeah.

[1509] I mean, you know, like that word's sort of popular now because I think, I don't know, some people have said it popular but it's it's amazing now all the people profiting on it it really showcases you check out the 60 minutes oh we've had it do you remember the you saved me from a bear attack oh yeah there was there was yeah no i got attacked by a bear joe shot the bear and there's a whole article yeah yeah that was all it was i got one that said i killed a mountain line with my belt that's right at the ice house in pasadena right yeah do you do you do you do you I mean, what do you think about that?

[1510] Do you think that it's, it's a, I mean, all that stuff is pretty, do you think there should be controls over it?

[1511] Like, just outside of being, you know, the FCC being able to, like, sue people or whatever, that never really happens, it feels like, do you think that it should?

[1512] I don't know, because then there's, like, things like the onion.

[1513] It's like, when do you draw the line?

[1514] Because the onion is hilarious.

[1515] So they'll make, like, a subtle parody of something and make it completely preposterous.

[1516] Right.

[1517] And then, like, pull up a good example of an onion headline.

[1518] It's like the onion is a Do you don't know what the onion is?

[1519] The onion is a famous parody news site Where they make stories that just If you're smart you read it and you go What Like Stephen Colbert or something He's making a parody on it Yeah yeah in a way Yeah and most of them are pretty humorous But occasionally people will tweet me With like an onion story And like can you fucking believe this shit man It's getting out of control And then you read it and you go Oh, not real.

[1520] Dummy, this is comedy.

[1521] They're writing.

[1522] People don't have common sense.

[1523] So that's a problem with that quickbait stuff is they believe it.

[1524] Yeah, because they can't read it and be like, ah, that's probably whatever.

[1525] It's just like they believe everything.

[1526] Yeah.

[1527] But, I mean, isn't that the case with, like, cults and the Moonies and Scientology and, like, there's a lot of nonsense that people believe in?

[1528] It's not hard to get people to believe in shit.

[1529] Sure.

[1530] It's a good question.

[1531] Like, what do we do about it?

[1532] Do you leave it up to common sense, which isn't very common today?

[1533] No, that's not.

[1534] Or do you, do you step?

[1535] Ben, rookie Justice Gorsuch, how do you say his name, assigned to Supreme Court overnight shift?

[1536] It's a joke.

[1537] See, because he's a new Supreme Court guy and they're giving him a shitty gig.

[1538] See, that's not real.

[1539] But if somebody read that, they're like, this is bullshit, these fucking liberals.

[1540] They're just because he's a conservative, they're putting it on the night shift.

[1541] There's no night shift.

[1542] Man tries using pink six -pound bowling ball to great amusement.

[1543] That's not real either.

[1544] See, it's like what they do.

[1545] they write these articles that are comedy but they fake they pose as news which is a little i think it's different because right if you have you know if you're fiction and you're posing as as real news yeah yeah it's like where do you where you know if obviously like there's no more journalistic integrity it feels it feels it feels like there's some there's some there's some there's some it just feels like there's you know how do you know how do you you know you read the news you're misinformed you don't read it you're misinformed you're not informed you're not informed you're like you know what do you do so have you been the topic of something oh I mean no there's time I mean there's been fake stuff about me yeah sure oh you that's like my setting my dad's saying believe half what you see and none of what you hear you know I always laugh because there's probably some silly thing my friends will come to me and say do you really this no I didn't do that yeah there's a ton of Fake stuff out there.

[1546] There's a ton of fake stuff.

[1547] I'm sure there's a ton of stuff about you.

[1548] Oh, yeah.

[1549] Yeah, I just won recently, but I disarmed a guy at the comedy store.

[1550] Some guy had a gun and I disarmed him.

[1551] My buddy mine was a cop said, hey, man, congratulations on that.

[1552] Hey, good job.

[1553] I'm like, what?

[1554] Good job.

[1555] What did I do?

[1556] You save people's lives.

[1557] But you could ruin someone's life, you know, in a second.

[1558] Yeah.

[1559] Oh, yeah.

[1560] In a way.

[1561] They said the wrong word.

[1562] You know, someone says he, you know, they all they got to throw is allegedly or something.

[1563] Sure.

[1564] Allegedly rape somebody or something.

[1565] You know, they ruined some poor guy's life.

[1566] life, you know, reputation just out the, out the window.

[1567] Well, that's what they've always been able to do with those supermarket tabloids, say, allegedly, from a source.

[1568] A source tells us that Cam Haynes likes to, you know, like, be careful here.

[1569] Yeah, exactly.

[1570] You know what I'm saying?

[1571] Shoot those.

[1572] But yeah, you don't have to do much more than that, and you kind of cover your ass, and you say, I have to protect my sources, I have the First Amendment right, and it's a weird time.

[1573] It's a weird time because essentially the boundaries to publication, have been dissolved.

[1574] It used to be that you had to work for the New York Times or the Washington Post or a newspaper, whatever.

[1575] Now, all you need is a blog or a Facebook page and you're breaking news, you know, and just Scott Eastwood admits to, you know, wearing women's clothes while he hunts for deer.

[1576] That's going to be odd.

[1577] Larry David.

[1578] Larry David, I wear women's underwear.

[1579] That's one of the best lines of it.

[1580] It's strange.

[1581] It is definitely, you're right.

[1582] It's definitely strange.

[1583] But, I mean, but who's to decide?

[1584] I mean, I know they're trying to work on some ways to figure it out.

[1585] I know Facebook is working on some different ways to block fake news, but who's to decide what's fake and what's real, and who's to decide where it becomes parity?

[1586] When is it funny?

[1587] Like, when is it the onion, when it's pretty subtle?

[1588] And when is it just like some guy making up a story about you, me saving you from a bear attack?

[1589] Yeah.

[1590] And it's weird.

[1591] I know.

[1592] I don't sweat.

[1593] It's a tough one.

[1594] Yeah.

[1595] I'm not really concerned.

[1596] Yeah.

[1597] Yo, yeah.

[1598] Like, I mean, I'll sleep.

[1599] night i'll be okay but uh it's a weird sign of the times the times are weird yeah we we have weird times and this the ability to communicate where anybody can do anything at any time and everybody could find out about it like you could write something on your twitter page just publish it and then it gets to the right amount of people and then they share it and then all sudden a million people have seen it inside of an hour and that's never no it's crazy but it's how it's it's good too yeah i mean we've used that for our benefit yeah that's what you do all the time oh yeah you're a voice i mean it's this made you have a voice or me have a voice you know you've always had one but me me have one and so it's it's an amazing time too well even my voice is way different now like having a podcast and that's a much in a lot of ways the same thing because it's just i mean this is a pretty lean operation obviously just a i was surprised just a computer you know jamie to yeah yeah figure it out and then we talk and then you upload it and that's it yeah there's not a whole lot of steps and yet this will probably get five million downloads you know maybe even more so it's weird yeah it's weird in that sense that it can reach so many different people and then it's there's there's no corporation behind it there's no Washington post so we could just sit here and just make up a bunch of fake shit yeah and just be really adamant that this really happened and you know a lot of people are going to blame it yeah and how could could someone stop you from doing I don't know if they could you know as long as you're not slandering anybody and you're not getting sued so I did want so what's your prediction if if Bisbing and GSP fight very interesting fight because Bisbing's been a a battler a warrior for a long time he's been very active and he's he's a very like well -honed machine right now whereas GSP's been out of the loop for a solid three years no competition at all however he's been training the entire time yeah so gsp is not a guy who sits around and and gets fat and he gets nothing done no he's constantly training yeah but then again he stopped because he was having memory issues and head injury yeah i mean he got hit in the head 800 plus times over the course of his ufc career in that hendricks fight he got hit in the head about 10 000 times it seemed like he was a mess after that fight.

[1600] Yeah.

[1601] He's been a mess after a few fights.

[1602] You know, Carlos Conded, head kicked him and knocked him down.

[1603] I mean, he's had some wars.

[1604] Matt Serra knocked him out, you know?

[1605] It's weird.

[1606] It feels like GSP, he's been the champion, but it doesn't feel like he's, doesn't have that champion respect for whatever reason.

[1607] Well, it's because his last fight with Hendricks was super close.

[1608] Yeah, we watched that here.

[1609] I did the fight companion.

[1610] No, not to that fight.

[1611] I was there for that fight.

[1612] Oh, the Hendricks?

[1613] Yeah.

[1614] Not Hendricks' last fight.

[1615] I'm talking about GSP's last fight.

[1616] Oh, I was talking about Bisbing, Hendricks.

[1617] Oh, no, Bisbing and Henderson.

[1618] Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, Henderson.

[1619] That's when Eddie Bravo went full Tower 7.

[1620] Eddie got super drunk, was worried the Illuminati was going to come and get us.

[1621] And I said knockouts were better than submissions, I think.

[1622] Well, a lot of people like it.

[1623] But GSP's last fight with Johnny Hendricks was super close.

[1624] Super close fight, and GSP retired with the belt.

[1625] Yeah, I thought he lost that fight.

[1626] Just, I mean, A lot of people did.

[1627] A lot of people did.

[1628] Either way, it wasn't like this big victory.

[1629] It's not like the way he beat down BJ Penn and stopped him.

[1630] If he said then, I'm going to retire.

[1631] I've had a great time.

[1632] Thank you very much.

[1633] Everybody would be like, yeah, we love you, George.

[1634] Right.

[1635] But instead, it was a close fight.

[1636] So people were like, hmm, I don't know, man. I don't know if he got the belt.

[1637] Maybe should have went out with a loss there.

[1638] Who knows?

[1639] But don't you think Bisbing doesn't have that?

[1640] championship type respect he does not right now yeah and the reason he does not is because he defended against Henderson yeah wasn't really ranked that high right and he really shouldn't have got a title shot but it was a rematch of one of the most epic knockouts ever yeah Henderson flatlined him and then punched him in the head while he was down and flew through the air and that's Henderson's logo now yeah Henderson's logo is literally a silhouette of his body flying through the air ready to drop a punch down on Bisping's unconscious body yeah so And then who else is he defended?

[1641] Then he defended it after he did that.

[1642] Who the fuck did he just fight?

[1643] No, he's fighting GSP.

[1644] That's the next fight.

[1645] So he defended it against Henderson, and then the next title defense is going to be against GSP.

[1646] He didn't have one before Henderson?

[1647] No, no, no. He won the title by beating Luke Rockville.

[1648] Oh, Luke, yeah, yeah.

[1649] Then he defended it against Dan Henderson, and now he's going to fight GSP.

[1650] So the thought is, how is this guy getting two fights that aren't, Right.

[1651] Luke, you mean, when you look at Number one contenders.

[1652] Yoel Romero, who's the number one contender, who's fucking terrifying.

[1653] Which he should get the shot, you think.

[1654] Yoel should get the shot.

[1655] Yeah, yes.

[1656] Yeah, if you look at it in terms of who's the most viable contender, who's the guy that you would think would be the most threatening guy, who's the guy that might be the uncrowned champion.

[1657] You've got to go with YOL Romero.

[1658] It feels like UFC is, I think, you know, they're trying to find their way.

[1659] They're footing a little bit with no Ronda, no Connor, so they're just going after that big, what can we sell a bunch of pay -per -views for, and GSP's a big name.

[1660] No, go, please go.

[1661] No, I was just going to ask, what's happening with Connor and that whole fight with...

[1662] Floyd Mayweather?

[1663] Yeah, is that happening?

[1664] It has not been worked out yet, so it's not definitive, but there's so much money involved that they think they're going to make it happen.

[1665] And that's the UFC's got to come to an agreement.

[1666] Didn't he get in trouble with the UFC, though, Connor?

[1667] Didn't Connor for, I don't know, not saying something and coming out and saying something a while ago or get fined or something?

[1668] He got fined for the throwing the water bottle monster energy thing.

[1669] Yeah, they fined him 150 grand, and they dropped it down.

[1670] I think they dropped it to like 35 ,000 or something like that.

[1671] He said he'd never fight in Vegas again after that.

[1672] And they're like, hey, relax.

[1673] But it's a big calm here.

[1674] Because they can't go to New York.

[1675] Because they're going to go to New York.

[1676] It's a debacle.

[1677] The big factor is another factor is also that the UFC.

[1678] was purchased by WME.

[1679] That's an entertainment company.

[1680] Entertainment company is going to try to put on the biggest show they could put on, and that's not necessarily like the number one ranked contender fighting for the title.

[1681] I think that it's an entertainment.

[1682] I understand.

[1683] It's a business.

[1684] I understand.

[1685] But it is also, it's extremely important that you honor the hierarchy of champion and top challenger.

[1686] I think that's critical.

[1687] Well, you work your way up.

[1688] I mean, you pay your dues, you work your way up, you're ranked on ability.

[1689] Yeah.

[1690] They're trying to manufacture big fights instead of letting big fights build themselves.

[1691] Yeah, big fights evolve when you let a guy like Yoel Romero fight and he wins.

[1692] He beats Chris Wyman by knockout.

[1693] And then if he fights Michael Bisping and Michael Bees somebody else.

[1694] If Michael Bisping beats YOL Romero, Michael Bisping becomes a superstar.

[1695] You know, and it's a tough fight.

[1696] It's a real tough fight.

[1697] If Y 'O