JRE MMA Show #152 with Sean Brady

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[4] What's going on?

[5] Good to see you, brother.

[6] Thank you for having me, man. So we were just talking about injuries, like the life of a fighter.

[7] So you always have something wrong, right?

[8] Yeah, it's rough.

[9] Like, especially for someone with me, like I'm getting a little bit older now and I'm being smarter, but like I was training and I still kind of do like almost three times a day.

[10] So like I would do a morning skill session.

[11] an afternoon run or an afternoon strength session and then another skill session at night.

[12] And I did that for 10 plus years.

[13] So, but I love it though.

[14] So I'm, but I'm finding now, like I'm trying to find that balance of like if it's a hard morning like MMA, like sparring session, nighttime will be Jiu -Jitsu and I'll try to make it light.

[15] But you know how that like you drill, then you start rolling.

[16] And when you're rolling hard, It's almost just as I get injured sometimes more during Jiu -Jitsu.

[17] So the whole rolling light is it doesn't have never happens I was telling my wife because my hand I was coming out here.

[18] I was like maybe I can go and I can just like drill with Gordon in those guys.

[19] She was like you ain't fucking drilling with no if you guys start rolling light like there's not going to be any of that and I'm like you're 100 % right.

[20] So Yeah.

[21] That's smart, though.

[22] That's like smarter Sean, like older.

[23] A hundred percent.

[24] And that's where like before I'd like, nah, fuck that.

[25] Like I'm going.

[26] I'm going to go hard.

[27] And then I'd be injured.

[28] And then I wouldn't be able to fight.

[29] So the problem with injuries is if you don't give them respect, they get chronic.

[30] They just, they, they, they, they, if there's so many guys that have an injury and they try to train through it.

[31] And it just gets worse and worse and worse.

[32] And then instead of being out for six weeks, now you're out for six months.

[33] And that was me after my ball fight.

[34] So I came home from Abu Dhabi.

[35] I didn't have any injuries.

[36] I wanted to get back and I wanted to get that taste out of my mouth.

[37] So I'm back training.

[38] I'm back running.

[39] And then I start to feel that pain I was telling you about.

[40] And I literally just kept running.

[41] Like I would run.

[42] Once I was warmed up, like you know how it is.

[43] You warm up, the injuries kind of go away.

[44] Like you feel good until you cool down.

[45] And I did that for a couple months.

[46] And I had a fight scheduled.

[47] And I tore my groin.

[48] And then...

[49] I've rescheduled the flight.

[50] I did my rehab.

[51] And the first week back of training, it tore again.

[52] So it was a shitty road.

[53] Have you had any surgeries?

[54] I've been...

[55] I had my deviated septum done.

[56] Obviously, they didn't fix the outside because this shit's fucked up.

[57] But besides that, like, I broke my thumb.

[58] I never had knee, never had any...

[59] I've been pretty lucky with no surgeries, but a lot of injuries.

[60] Isn't the deviated septim one amazing?

[61] When I got it done, and they...

[62] When you have to have those things in your nose for a week, though, as soon as they pull them out, you feel like a new human.

[63] It's like...

[64] Oh, it's the best.

[65] It's incredible.

[66] It's the best.

[67] I never knew, like, how much cardio I was missing, not being able to breathe out of my nose.

[68] Look at, like, Dreckis.

[69] When he got his nose fixed, like, he used to always fight with his mouth open, and people thought he was out of shape.

[70] Yeah.

[71] And the guy just can't breathe out of his nose.

[72] I think at some point, though, you have to open up your mouth, obviously.

[73] But I do all my zone two now on the echo bike, mouth closed.

[74] And now I just started doing mouth tape.

[75] When I sleep, my fucking, my recovery on, like, my aura ring went through the roof.

[76] Just from mouth tape.

[77] Just from mouth tape.

[78] You use, like, hostage tape?

[79] um i had this one called dream that i got but hostage it's the same it's the same thing does it fuck with you with the mustache though no sometimes if i have like too much facial hair it doesn't stick that good my buddy simon was saying that uh because he had some like cheap one he was like he was like doesn't it bother you and you pull it off i'm like yeah a little bit but i don't mean that i mean it doesn't stick good oh no these ones they stick good you have to you have to pull it off yeah the cheap ones just fall right off like i'd wake up and it'd be like on my fucking shoulder.

[80] Right.

[81] Yeah.

[82] But that's interesting that it had that much of an impact on your recovery.

[83] Yeah.

[84] So you wear an aura ring.

[85] Yeah.

[86] Like, so what is, my wife wears one of those, but I've never worn it.

[87] Yeah.

[88] How does it work?

[89] Like, what is the, what's the metrics it gives you?

[90] So I used to have whoop and whoop couldn't, like I was getting into, I couldn't shoot through my tattoos.

[91] Yeah.

[92] So I would get inaccurate readings on all my shit.

[93] And I actually messaged them and they're like, hey, like, it's just the kind of lighting we have.

[94] We have.

[95] Like, so I would wear it here, but then it would go up on my wrist and then I have nowhere I could wear it.

[96] Right.

[97] This was like the next best thing.

[98] And, but it does the same.

[99] It does HRV, heart rate, your sleep, deep sleep, REM.

[100] It does fit, it tracks your workouts, but like, I really don't care about that.

[101] Like, if I'm going to track my workouts, I wear the pole or like the, um, my zone.

[102] So I'll wear those.

[103] But, um, yeah, does your sleep, does your, does a lot of things and uh this i got a new one um morphius i have more train with morphius i have morphius too i have morphius um i really like that you do the hrv in the morning and stuff like that yeah i just i love buying them and i just try them and i like compare them like i'll wear everything and i'll do the echo bike workout and i'll compare like my heart rates and stuff like that so yeah it's fun but when i got my nose fixed it was a it was a game changer for sure Yeah, it's just such a different thing to be able to breathe out of your nose.

[104] But it's interesting to me that the sleep that your recovery is better.

[105] I just always wonder why.

[106] Yeah.

[107] Why breathing through the nose while you sleep improves your recovery?

[108] Well, I'll snore.

[109] Like, I'll, if I sleep on my back, my wife hit me and she's like, you're fucking snoring.

[110] I'll turn on my side and I won't snore anymore.

[111] And then I added the mouth tape.

[112] And I just started doing no THC, but just CBD gummies.

[113] Mm -hmm.

[114] And...

[115] My wife, too, she's a nurse.

[116] She's, like, getting the best fucking sleep she's ever had.

[117] Our deeps, because you can see the deep sleep on there.

[118] I have the eight sleep mattress too.

[119] So I can, I can, like, compare it.

[120] And our deep sleep is from the CBD for me and the mouth tape is through the roof.

[121] She doesn't do the mouth tape, but she does that, she does the CBD and our deep sleep is fucking is great.

[122] That's interesting.

[123] So, like, does it give you a score?

[124] And, like, what is your score that you get?

[125] So it will give you, like, can I pull my phone out?

[126] Sure.

[127] Yeah, yeah.

[128] I post it one the other day.

[129] So here it is.

[130] Jamie's pulled it up there.

[131] So it shows you readiness.

[132] Readiness.

[133] So time to recover is 44.

[134] That's me today for sure.

[135] Trade carefully is 75.

[136] And then good day ahead is 96.

[137] This was my one when I wore the mouth tape and the CBD.

[138] Okay.

[139] My heart rate was 38.

[140] Optimal.

[141] Yeah.

[142] That's great.

[143] no that's awesome and you like my and usually my deep sleep doesn't get um doesn't get as deep resting heart rate 38 is pretty fucking low yeah especially not for in camp yeah not bad that's great description of what makes it maybe a little different it says each person a unique version of normal rather than your base averages on impersonal population benchmarks like hit 10 000 steps aura gets to know you and provides you with personalized baselines and insights Whether your sleep took a hit after a night out or you're prioritizing balance in your wellness routine, or it helps you reach your goals by delivering the best 360 degree view of your health.

[144] I like it, but can't wear it during MMA practice or anything like that.

[145] So I'll take it off.

[146] But I was getting almost too caught up with the whoop because like you wake up when you're in a training camp, like you're most likely going to be in the yellow or the red.

[147] You know, like you're not always going to be in the green.

[148] Then it's like telling you to take it easy.

[149] It's like.

[150] I fucking can't take it easy.

[151] I have a fight and fucking.

[152] So you have to find the balance of knowing, like, I actually really feel like shit, or this thing's just telling me I feel like shit.

[153] It's really funny, that balance between, like, especially when someone's just completely obsessed.

[154] Like, I was listening to this, or watching this video where Craig Jones was talking about.

[155] when he was training especially when he's first starting out he was training every day yeah and he went to a doctor and the doctor's like you like might have cancer like you might have a serious illness yeah like what's wrong with your body and it really was just that he was just worn out he was completely over trained yeah and with m m m m ms like we just have so many things we have to cover like we have to do boxing we have to do wrestling we have to do And then I'm big in the strength and conditioning, so I have to lift, I have to get, but that's something I've gotten better with.

[156] I lift three days a week now.

[157] I have a strength coach that works with the Eagles, his name's Gabe, and he's like, we go in, we warm up, like we're doing all this shit.

[158] I'm like, fuck, I don't want to do this but now like I love it like it's like just getting me more athletic and it's more just like GPP just keeping me prepared and just getting me ready for my MMA sessions and just keeping me strong like we do trap bar deadlifts we do front squats like I don't get crazy with like a lot of the lists I used to do like I used to want to lift like a fucking power lifter I'd be benching and straight bar deadlifts and back squats I'm like I don't get, that's not what we do, you know, so.

[159] Why did you get into that initially?

[160] Was it just for jujitsu, just strength?

[161] I started off lifting before I started at MMA.

[162] So I started training when I was like 16, but I started off lifting at, like, my local, like, rec center, like, just benching every day.

[163] And then I really got into lifting.

[164] And I would, like, I would have the squat bench deadlift, like, trying to get my numbers up.

[165] And then eventually I kept hurt my back.

[166] I was, like, 21 years old with a wrecked back.

[167] So now I just do trap bar deadlift.

[168] No more straight bar, anything like that.

[169] So, yeah.

[170] I think the straight bar just puts you in like a bad position.

[171] Whereas the trap bar puts you in like a more natural position to squat down and lift.

[172] And you can still put on some good weight on there.

[173] So it does does a job for me. Yeah, there's a lot of people that think that dead lifts are just not worth it.

[174] Yeah.

[175] Yeah.

[176] The amount of possibility, the possibility of injury in your back.

[177] Yeah.

[178] That there's other ways to, like, you saw that machine.

[179] We had the belt squat machine.

[180] Bell squats the best.

[181] Which is such a great machine for your legs.

[182] I mean, it just puts all the weight on your hips.

[183] You're not compressing your spine at all.

[184] Yeah.

[185] And yet you can get, like, big numbers.

[186] Yeah, you don't have that bar on your back.

[187] That's, like, in camp, we do a lot of the belt squat walks.

[188] So we'll do three, five -minute rounds of...

[189] We'll put on, like, if I'm fighting it, I fight at 170.

[190] We put it on 170 pounds, and we walk for five minutes.

[191] Like, just side to side, rest one minute, and we do it for three rounds.

[192] So, but by the end of it, you're fucking, your hips are cooked.

[193] But it's good, though.

[194] Like, I don't have that bar on my, on my back.

[195] And like you said, it's...

[196] compressing you and that's how you get her.

[197] That's another Louis Simmons invention.

[198] That fucking guy was a genius.

[199] The best.

[200] He was such a genius.

[201] That's like the method we do is like the conjugate.

[202] So we do a dynamic upper, dynamic lower, max effort, max effort.

[203] So a lot of, like we do a lot of sled pools, backwards, forwards.

[204] So it's a lot of like the Louie stuff.

[205] It's really good.

[206] It's interesting when you see fighters training and like their strength and conditioning routines because it's so hard to figure out what's the optimal balance between strength work and skill work.

[207] And then we were talking about how GSP, especially towards the end of his career, all he did was do skills.

[208] Yeah.

[209] Yeah.

[210] That's all he didn't really do any strength and conditioning.

[211] Yeah.

[212] Well, because if think about like the football, like NFL, like if you go into the Eagles or the Steelers, like they might have different coaches and small things they do, but almost everything they're doing is going to be the same.

[213] Like they have that strength system figured out.

[214] MMA guys, I know guys who don't work out at all.

[215] I know some guys who do bodybuilding.

[216] I know guys who do powerlifting programs.

[217] So no one has it like figured out yet to where like maybe in 10, 20 years from now they will, but right now no one's got it figured out.

[218] So we're all kind of just...

[219] trying to see what works best.

[220] Yeah, I think there's like the Sam Calavita method, which a lot of people really like.

[221] I was listening to Bo with, he's a wild man. He's amazing.

[222] Sam does some crazy shit.

[223] He does.

[224] But like you were saying that, Bo, I think there's definitely a point of no return where you go too hard and, Those workouts, like, they kind of start to pull away from all your skill training.

[225] Because if I have to recover for fucking four days from a bike workout, I just missed maybe potentially eight sessions that I could have been working on my skill.

[226] Yeah.

[227] So, and that's something I'm still, like, I had to figure out.

[228] Well, you know, Marv Morinovich, who was training BJ Penn when BJ was the fucking man. Yeah.

[229] There was a time where, like, people forget, there was a time when BJ was in his prime where I would put BJ against any 155 pounder that ever left.

[230] He was a monster.

[231] And when he was training with Morinovich, they really didn't have him doing any skill training.

[232] Yeah.

[233] It was almost all cardio and pliometrics and these dynamic sprinting things.

[234] And their idea was like BJ already knows how to fight.

[235] Like the problem is the gas tank, like giving him a fucking insane gas tank where he can go as hard as he wants.

[236] Do your drills, do your own stuff, but to have extensive MMA training, they're like for six weeks or eight weeks, you already know how to find out.

[237] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, six weeks, eight weeks, just we're going to blow it out with this insane cardiovascular routine.

[238] Yeah, yeah.

[239] And they got him in just fucking superhuman shape.

[240] Yeah.

[241] In superhuman shape, BJ was scared.

[242] Yeah, yeah.

[243] Sean Shirk, BJ.

[244] That knee against the cage.

[245] Oh, yeah.

[246] Joe Stevenson, when he beat Joe Stevenson.

[247] Yeah, yeah.

[248] That was a, he was a monster, man. Did he move up to 70 before or after that?

[249] Well, he moved up to 70, I think, for fun, you know, because he didn't even really move up to 70.

[250] He just didn't die it.

[251] Yeah, yeah, he just, he probably walked down 170 pounds.

[252] Yeah, he was pudgy.

[253] Like, he wasn't.

[254] Yeah.

[255] When he beat Matt, Matt, excuse me, Matt Hughes, he wasn't big.

[256] Yeah, no. It was just jujitsu.

[257] A monster.

[258] A monster.

[259] He had that farm strength.

[260] He was jacked.

[261] He was fucking strong.

[262] And now we all walk around close to 200 pounds.

[263] And that wild.

[264] closer to 200 like I cut from fight week I show up I'm 190 pounds what's the heaviest you ever get I used to get heavy like I'd be like 205 but when I was younger I'd go out after a fight and celebrate and eat like shit and drink now like I don't drink I don't drink alcohol I don't eat bad like I ate a bad Sunday the day I got home from Austin with my wife and I felt like a piece of shit like I go so hard I'm like I never want to feel like this again so now like 195 197's like the heaviest I'll get that was a big win for you though you need yeah that was yeah it was but i needed i need to get back and uh i got into it but one 95 um like 10 percent body fat like that's where my dexas scans at and that's where i feel great like 195 and then i'll slowly get down the 190 and that's where i start my like actual water cut from so i i they weighed me in the back at that flight i was one ninety three right before i fall kelvin so i put on 23 pounds yeah yeah that's nuts how bad do you feel when you step on that scale Not that bad.

[265] This last one was my...

[266] I was on weight the night before.

[267] I had, um...

[268] I had, like, probably three, about, like, three liters of water that day before I even went to sleep.

[269] So, I woke up.

[270] I was 178 on Thursday.

[271] I went to the sauna.

[272] We went to, like, a fucking LA fitness right by us.

[273] I cut eight pounds by accident.

[274] I cut all my weight.

[275] I weighed myself in an hour.

[276] I was on weight.

[277] So I hit up...

[278] I work with Charles from, uh, the PI.

[279] Like, they're the best.

[280] Hit him up, told him what happened.

[281] He was like, hey...

[282] gave me the exact amounts to drink.

[283] And I was drinking and eating on Thursday.

[284] I think I put back on four pounds.

[285] I went to the sauna that night.

[286] I cut all of it in 30 minutes.

[287] I'm always on weight the night before.

[288] I never ever want to wake up and know I have to go cut weight because those sweats are so hard to break.

[289] Like when you're body fats that low to break that first sweat, like it's fucking hard.

[290] So I'd like to get on the night before and just be done with it.

[291] There's different schools of thought.

[292] Some guys like to just have a good night sleep.

[293] They don't want to be...

[294] Because they say they can't sleep when they're cutting.

[295] Yeah.

[296] I feel like you're already...

[297] Like, you're already into that cut, though.

[298] So you're, like, if you're going to sleep bad, like, you're going to...

[299] I think you're going to sleep bad regardless.

[300] So I'd just rather not have that stress of like, fuck, I got to wake up and...

[301] I know guys will wake up, they cut 10, 15 pounds.

[302] But that's how we used to do it when the weighings were at 6 o 'clock.

[303] Because you had all that time.

[304] Now they're at 9, so I try to sleep till 7...

[305] get up and then you have to be over there by 8, 8 .30, try to be one of the first ones on the scale and then just start hammering those liquids back in.

[306] I wish they would let people do IVs.

[307] I feel like if you're going to allow people to have these massive cuts, they would have better performances if you'd let them do IVs.

[308] We used to fucking, like, we'd get hooked up with the IVs and we'd feel like Superman, like 10 pounds immediately.

[309] But the only negative aspect of it, they say that it can mask performance -enhancing drugs.

[310] But I think the solution to that is test the guys, like, as they're cutting.

[311] Yeah.

[312] Test the guys before they rehydrate.

[313] Yeah.

[314] Test them down.

[315] So that way you know, like they're not on, if you took something then, it's not going to help you in 10 hours.

[316] Guys are definitely still doing it, though.

[317] I have to be.

[318] Guys are doing it, 100%.

[319] And now with this new thing that we're under - You think guys are doing IVs?

[320] Oh, 100%.

[321] Really?

[322] 100%.

[323] No shit.

[324] Yeah, because if you're, if guys are cheating and getting away, because guys are definitely getting away with taking PEDs, there's a way to get away with, like, how, what are they going to test for?

[325] The traces of the plastic in your blood?

[326] I think that's it, yeah.

[327] But from what I heard, we're drinking shit that has plastic in it all the time.

[328] So how are you going to know it's an IV?

[329] That's a good question.

[330] You know?

[331] I was hoping that with this new thing with Usada being done, we were going to be able to IV.

[332] But I was talking to Charles from the PI.

[333] He said, like, the science, I don't know behind it, but he was saying it's better orally to do it anyway.

[334] Like, you're better off doing it with the amount of time we have than IV.

[335] So I'm like, hey, I get all my way back on.

[336] I can't complain.

[337] But why is it better orally?

[338] That seems like getting it right into your bloodstream would be quicker.

[339] Obviously, you do IVs.

[340] So I used to, like, it'd be after cutting weight, so I'd be super bloated afterwards.

[341] I mean, you get bloated from drinking your liquid you have to put back in anyway, but that's the only thing I'm thinking.

[342] Like, maybe I'll just fuck up your stomach more, but I don't know.

[343] It's such a weird balance.

[344] It's so interesting when you have something like the UFCI, which is like super high -tech, super scientific.

[345] They can tell you how much water to drink.

[346] It used to be guys were just kind of winging it, and they would fuck it up one time and get it right the next time.

[347] Like, they give us a sheet because we have Joey Piper Fighting December 10th.

[348] He has a main event.

[349] So I'm going to go out there, do all my test, my testing, and they give you a sheet.

[350] Like, they know how many calories you burn at absolute rest.

[351] Like, they know, like, your body, like, better than you do.

[352] And they give you a sheet, like, after you weigh in, you need 4 ,500 calories.

[353] You need, like, 1 ,000 grams of carbs.

[354] You need, like, all these different macros.

[355] And it's fucking, it's right there.

[356] Like it's...

[357] Do they provide you...

[358] I know they do that with some fighters.

[359] They give you, like, meal prep.

[360] Yep.

[361] Like, how are they doing that?

[362] So...

[363] They do it based on each athlete or weight.

[364] As far as I know, yeah.

[365] They, um...

[366] And I've, like, I've, like, hired other nutritionists and stuff like that.

[367] But the PI does it great.

[368] Like, it's free for all UFC fighters.

[369] And if you're just in contact with them all the time, like I am, like, they make it so easy for you.

[370] And they, they hand you your meals and they're like, listen, eat this, eat this, eat this.

[371] And then...

[372] You should be good to go.

[373] Like, they're taking your weight.

[374] They tell you how much water to drink.

[375] Like, they make it pretty easy for us, you know?

[376] And do they provide you guys with supplements?

[377] Because I know.

[378] Thorne.

[379] Thorne.

[380] Okay, so it's all set up for you.

[381] Yeah.

[382] So if you want all Thorne, like now we have an app that we go on and we can put in an order every month that we want.

[383] So they do a lot of good shit for us.

[384] Like, what do you not, like, what are you not allowed to take?

[385] You're allowed to take creatine, right?

[386] Creatine.

[387] Yeah, so.

[388] Okay.

[389] Any supplement that's third party tested.

[390] So I use this company called AllMax.

[391] They have some things that are third party tested and some things that aren't.

[392] So all the things that are third party, I think it's informed choice.

[393] So informed choice, BSCG.

[394] Like I take ShroomTech from on it.

[395] You guys have BSCG.

[396] I can take that.

[397] Right.

[398] But if it didn't, like you can take it, but now it's at your own risk.

[399] So anything that's third party tested, we're good to go.

[400] But I thought going into this now, like we'd be able to do more stuff.

[401] And I was asking Jeff about, I text Jeff Nevinsky, and I was asking about peptides.

[402] Like I just wanted to see, like, maybe for my hand or any, like, just any injuries.

[403] I'm like, are we going to be allowed to take this?

[404] And it's an absolute no. Yeah, I was talking to them about that too.

[405] And as well as the new guy from Drug Free Sport.

[406] Yeah.

[407] I forget his name.

[408] But the guy's taken over from Usada.

[409] And they were saying no, because peptides...

[410] you'll get popped for it at each individual commission.

[411] Yep.

[412] So if you're in Florida and they don't allow it, you test there, the Florida commission will pop you for it.

[413] Yeah, because I was asked him, he said, even if they didn't allow, he said all the states, like they won't give you, it's called a T -U -E, some kind of exemption, and they said, none of them would do it.

[414] So I'm like, all right, well, just good to know, not to, but like stem cells and stuff like that, like, As far as I know, like, that's all good to go.

[415] Yeah, that's all good to go.

[416] Yeah, creatine, protein, like all that shit.

[417] Like, you should, there's so many companies now who have third party tested stuff.

[418] Like, you can take plenty of stuff.

[419] Fish oil, like there.

[420] And then if you don't want to go outside the realm, just stay with Thorne because their shit's super high quality.

[421] And the UFC gives it all that stuff to you for free.

[422] That's nice.

[423] Yeah.

[424] So do you ever do a camp at the PR or do your camps on Philly?

[425] No. I've done all my camps in Philly.

[426] And that's something like that I'm super like proud and happy about like I'm born and raised in Philly.

[427] I never left.

[428] We have a small team.

[429] It's called Marquez MMA.

[430] We have like six guys in UFC right now.

[431] We have me, Joey Pfeiffer, Pat Zabitini, Andre Petroski, Jeremiah Wells.

[432] So like we have a great crew.

[433] We got a good squad.

[434] We had Paul Felder.

[435] Paul was like one of the first guys out of Philly besides I do, I train with Eddie Alvarez.

[436] So like we have a good, good group of Philly guys.

[437] So.

[438] That's nice.

[439] Yeah.

[440] When I, I fought Christian Aguilera and I put him in the seat with a guillotine.

[441] Eddie was my main training partner because it was during COVID.

[442] He was fighting for one FC.

[443] No one was training.

[444] And he hit me up.

[445] He was like, yo, are you guys training?

[446] I was like, fuck yeah, we're training.

[447] We had all of our windows like, because in Philly, like, you weren't, like, they were shutting shit down.

[448] But we all had fights.

[449] So we're like, we're fucking training.

[450] So me and Eddie got super close during that.

[451] When Cormier fought Steppe, he got COVID during camp and just trained right through it.

[452] Just kept going.

[453] I fought, first time when you interviewed me and you weren't even in the cage, it was when they were still doing...

[454] Oh, that was ridiculous.

[455] It was Jake Matthews.

[456] I had COVID two weeks before the fight.

[457] Remember that?

[458] How crazy that was.

[459] You just had a fucking cage fight.

[460] So you're on top of each other, sweat and pounded on each other.

[461] Everyone's tested.

[462] I'm tested.

[463] All the announcers are tested.

[464] All the referees are tested.

[465] And we still couldn't be next to each other when I interviewed you.

[466] That was so dumb.

[467] So I had COVID two weeks before that.

[468] Only symptoms I had were I lost my taste and my smell, which that fucking sucks.

[469] For food, right?

[470] food and I love drinking coffee, especially when you're in camp and you're cutting weight.

[471] That's the only thing you really get to enjoy.

[472] So I get to fight week show up because I tested negative before I got there.

[473] I looked the UFC know.

[474] I get there.

[475] I take my first test.

[476] And so when you were getting tested, you get a text.

[477] You're good to go to work.

[478] All my coaches sitting around me all got their text at 7 a .m. My phone never goes off.

[479] I'm like, fuck.

[480] I'm like something's not right.

[481] I get a phone call.

[482] They're like, hey, like you tested positive.

[483] I'm like, I'm like, no, no, no, no. Like I had like, so I sent them my results.

[484] Like it was a false, it was a false positive.

[485] So luckily I sent them all my stuff and let them know I had COVID two weeks ago.

[486] So like everything obviously went through, but like, If I didn't do that, they would have canceled my flight right there.

[487] I was getting calls from the CDC because I was in Vegas.

[488] They're telling me I can't leave the state.

[489] Like, I can't fly home.

[490] I was like, fuck that.

[491] I was like, I'm driving the next city over and I'm flying home if I can't flight.

[492] Like, I'm not staying here.

[493] So, yeah, that was a...

[494] What a wild time.

[495] But it's still lingering.

[496] It's sort of.

[497] They're trying to bring it back in some ways.

[498] I still see people like in restaurants.

[499] I saw the other day.

[500] A server was wearing a mask.

[501] I was like...

[502] Okay.

[503] The best is when you're in your car by yourself.

[504] Nuts.

[505] You're by yourself.

[506] There's no one around you.

[507] It's insane.

[508] Yeah.

[509] People are just insane.

[510] Yeah, yeah.

[511] Some people just lost their minds.

[512] I mean, they just broke.

[513] They broke a fuse.

[514] Yeah, yeah.

[515] And but the hospital is like my wife's an RN and she said they're reinstate in the mask mandate.

[516] But I think it might be, there's flu and then there's COVID and shit.

[517] It's just not even scientific.

[518] That's the thing.

[519] It's not even based on science.

[520] Like you're doing it to make people feel better?

[521] Yeah, yeah.

[522] Because the science doesn't support mask use.

[523] It just doesn't.

[524] Before the Kelvin fight, like three weeks in, I had lost my taste in my smell.

[525] I'm like, I definitely have COVID.

[526] I've refused to test myself, though.

[527] I'm like, I'm not testing myself.

[528] Like, I'm not doing it.

[529] Like, I trained.

[530] And I'm like, if I tested myself and if I had it, then I'd be like, fuck.

[531] Like, I feel bad.

[532] Are they testing anybody anymore?

[533] No, no, no, no. And I'm like, I'm just sick.

[534] Like, I'm just normal, like, normal sick.

[535] Like, you can get normal.

[536] I'm like, all I taste is metal for three weeks, but.

[537] I'm like, I don't know what that is.

[538] Isn't it crazy, though, that it feels like normal sick, but because you have this label on it, it's not the same COVID anymore.

[539] It's just not.

[540] Yeah, and they're still treating it like, it's this deadly disease.

[541] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[542] I don't know, like, I knew a few people who got, like, you got fucked up, but people also get fucked up from the flu.

[543] Yeah.

[544] People get fucked up from normal sicknesses.

[545] So, like, yeah, no, it never.

[546] I was a friend who was just in bed for 10 days with the flu.

[547] Sick as shit.

[548] Sick as shit.

[549] Like, no one's shut anything down.

[550] And that was, that's normal.

[551] But now, like you said, there's COVID's attached to that.

[552] Yeah.

[553] And if you post about it or you say shit about it, like these motherfuckers are trying to come at you and cancel you.

[554] So like, I try to like, on social media, you just got to kind of got to just sit back and let these crazy ass people just say their shit.

[555] There's just so many insane people on social media.

[556] Yeah.

[557] And COVID just gives them an excuse to be a cunt.

[558] Yeah.

[559] It just kept so many people an excuse to just yell at people.

[560] We're starting to get tired of it though.

[561] Like people like me and you and like people who want to just go about their life.

[562] And like two weeks in, I was back to my normal shit.

[563] Like I was running.

[564] I was doing all my shit.

[565] Like I thought like we weren't like I thought it was never going back.

[566] Like I'm like this is going to be fucking nuts.

[567] Like I would go to parks and they'd have the parks closed.

[568] I mean, you're telling me I can't go run a wooded trail by myself.

[569] There's people in the, then it would start, people would start coming out.

[570] They all had a mask on.

[571] I'm like, you're in the woods.

[572] And they were, you were supposed to be six feet apart from each other.

[573] Like, what the fuck are we doing here?

[574] It's so silly.

[575] Dude, they arrested a guy, the Coast Guard got a guy who was surfing.

[576] This dude's on the ocean by himself on a fucking surfboard.

[577] And the coast card rolls up on this dude.

[578] Put up on me out.

[579] Like, is this a good use of resources, folks?

[580] Like, let's go, buddy.

[581] You're getting locked the fuck up.

[582] So dumb, man. But I'll never forget how dumb it was.

[583] It's like it's all kind of normalized now.

[584] Yeah, for sure.

[585] It was just a couple of years ago.

[586] Everybody had lost their minds.

[587] Well, we looked back at it.

[588] I'm like, it's not that long ago.

[589] Our whole country was just fucked up.

[590] And now we're just, like, it's like it never happened.

[591] I'm like, this is crazy.

[592] Well, it seems always seems more preposterous to MMA fighters or jiu -jitsu guys or anybody who does anything that's actually dangerous.

[593] Yeah, yeah.

[594] Because you're doing something dangerous all the time.

[595] Yeah, yeah.

[596] And then all the sudden, and also you're in supreme health and condition.

[597] Yeah.

[598] And then they ask you to do something ridiculous forever.

[599] Yep.

[600] Forever.

[601] Stay in your house for a year.

[602] Like, what?

[603] That's the worst thing you can do.

[604] Yeah, terrible for you.

[605] But they don't want you to be healthy.

[606] They want you to be fat.

[607] They want you to be lazy.

[608] They don't want you working out.

[609] They don't want you eating.

[610] Well, they definitely want you to comply.

[611] Yeah.

[612] That was the most important thing that they wanted during that time.

[613] They wanted full compliance from people.

[614] Yeah.

[615] And if they could scare you into compliance, that's the way they did it.

[616] It fucking worked for a lot of people.

[617] Boy, it did.

[618] It scared the shit out of me because I was like, oh my God, there's so many pussies out here.

[619] Yeah.

[620] There's so many people that will roll over for the government, even if what they're saying doesn't make any sense.

[621] Even if it's not scientific, it's just really disheartening.

[622] But they even put us, like, it was almost like a position where I'm like, damn, like, I'm not vaccinated.

[623] I'm like, am I going to have to get this shot so I can fight?

[624] I'm like, then it's going to come like...

[625] Do I retire because I don't want this fucking shot?

[626] You know, I'm like, I don't know what the fuck to do.

[627] So luckily it didn't come to that because choosing my career or getting that fucking shot, like I don't know what I would have did.

[628] But I almost got the shot.

[629] The whole UFC, the UFC staff, they allocated all these vaccines.

[630] They had it set up.

[631] And so Dana and I were talking and he goes, if you want to get vaccinated, we have them for.

[632] I go, great.

[633] I wasn't even remotely hesitant in the beginning.

[634] And just by luck.

[635] I get there on Saturday for the fight, and I call the doctor, and I say, hey, I thought they could do it for me at the arena.

[636] Yeah.

[637] So I was going to do it, get vaccinated, and just call the fights.

[638] I mean, like, how bad it would be?

[639] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[640] I wasn't hearing anything bad about it.

[641] And he said, no, we have to do it at the clinic.

[642] Can you come on Monday?

[643] And I said, I have to go home.

[644] I go, but we'll be back in two weeks because we had fights and two weeks.

[645] Yeah, yeah.

[646] And then within two weeks, they pulled it.

[647] Shit got bad.

[648] That's when they pulled it.

[649] When Johnson & Johnson was one.

[650] And then I knew two dudes who got strokes, two guys.

[651] It's like, I was like, what is going on?

[652] And so then I started getting a little weird.

[653] And then I started like listening to these doctors that were speaking out against this technology.

[654] And then I listened to Dr. Robert Malone, who he owns nine patents in the creation of MRNA vaccine technology.

[655] And he had a very severe reaction to the vaccine.

[656] And he posted about his reactions.

[657] And then I had him on.

[658] And then people started getting mad at me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[659] This guy's a legit doctor.

[660] Yeah.

[661] Well, my mom's a nurse, too.

[662] And she got her, like, yearly flu shot.

[663] And the chick who gave it to her, like, must have gave it to her wrong and, like, fucked her up.

[664] So, like, she had, like, problems in her shoulder.

[665] And then it came to getting the COVID shot.

[666] She's like, I'm not getting it.

[667] And it wasn't like any like, like reason.

[668] Like it wasn't like, she didn't know shit about COVID at the time.

[669] She was like, I just don't want to get another shot.

[670] So they were getting tested.

[671] They made, they made a super small window where they had to be there whether you had work or if you didn't have work and you had to get tested like three times a week or some stupid shit like that.

[672] So they were making it super hard for the nurses who didn't get vaccinated to do their job.

[673] I'm like, yo, these are the people who are saving these fucking people who are coming in who are sick.

[674] And almost all of them get exposed to it.

[675] And almost all of them develop.

[676] Yeah.

[677] Naturally.

[678] Yeah.

[679] 100%.

[680] They were trying to pretend that natural immunity was bullshit.

[681] I've heard people say it recently.

[682] Natural immunity has been debunked.

[683] Yeah.

[684] Like, no, it hasn't.

[685] There's actual studies that show it was multiple times better than the vaccine.

[686] Yeah.

[687] Yeah.

[688] When I face Craig Jones in that grappling match, my whole fucking team was sick.

[689] And at that point, we're like, none of us were getting tested.

[690] I'm like, I'm like, dude, we definitely all have COVID.

[691] But I'm like, I'm not getting tested.

[692] Like, I'm not doing it.

[693] Just because I just, I feel like shit.

[694] I don't know if I'm run down or whatever it is, but I'm not saying it's COVID and I can't go do what I'm going to do this weekend.

[695] Like, I'm not doing it.

[696] When you do something like that, like, so you're one of the most promising welterweight contenders in the sport, you know, as your career progresses, you'll probably get a shot of the title within the next couple of years.

[697] Taking a grappling match is, that's a risky move.

[698] Yeah.

[699] Especially against a world -class guy like Craig Jones.

[700] Well, it's funny because, so the only thing Craig couldn't do in that match, he couldn't heel hook me, but he could straight knee bar me, straight ankle lock me, anything besides heel hooks.

[701] So after the match, like, people...

[702] Is that your idea?

[703] No, that was...

[704] That's the UFC's.

[705] So Fury was working with the UFC, and they were like, the UFC told them, like, hey, all UFC guys just no heel hooks.

[706] Even, like, Aljo just did that match for them.

[707] And the only thing they couldn't do was no heel hooks.

[708] So, I mean...

[709] Just because of the likelihood of tearing.

[710] Yeah, yeah.

[711] But like a leg locker like Craig or anyone else, you still have all those other submissions you can do.

[712] So it's not like you're getting handicapped that fucking bad where like people were giving me shit online.

[713] Like, oh, you had a handicap on this.

[714] And now I'm like, I was like, I'm a UFC fighter.

[715] Like this was the rules.

[716] I didn't like he didn't make the rules.

[717] You could knee bar me. You could straight ankle lock me. You could do all these other things.

[718] So you could toehold me. But.

[719] Yeah, but I like that they don't do the hillhooks.

[720] Yeah, it is a risky one, man. I mean, how many guys have ripped their knee apart?

[721] Oh, oh, yeah, it's bad.

[722] A lot.

[723] Yeah.

[724] A lot.

[725] Yeah.

[726] Did you see that Mikey Misumachi one in one FC where the guy wouldn't tap?

[727] Horrible.

[728] Oh, dude, I can't watch that one.

[729] He ripped that guy's knee apart.

[730] I don't know how that guy's doing right now.

[731] It's probably not doing well.

[732] I got to imagine his knee is ruined for the rest of his life.

[733] Was it, um...

[734] See you can find that video because it's so hard to watch because we were talking about Mikey before.

[735] Yeah, yeah.

[736] Because he's calling out some dude who's a bully.

[737] Yeah.

[738] Dude, he destroys this guy's knee.

[739] I mean, destroys it.

[740] The guy won't tap.

[741] He's got him in a knee bar here.

[742] The guy won't tap.

[743] So now he adjusts and now he's ripping it sideways.

[744] I mean, look at the guy's knee.

[745] Look at the motion of his knee.

[746] Oh, God damn.

[747] So you see, you see the way he's holding that?

[748] Yeah.

[749] He calls that the Mikey Lock.

[750] Yeah.

[751] And the guys I train with that movement art, they show it.

[752] And dude, it's nasty.

[753] He's a monster, man. Yeah.

[754] He's so good.

[755] Yeah.

[756] I heard he does very well against all the biggest.

[757] Like, even guys who are a lot bigger than him.

[758] Oh, I'm sure.

[759] He's so technical.

[760] Well, we were just talking about Craig.

[761] How about Craig versus Vinny?

[762] Oh, yeah, broke his legs.

[763] Yeah.

[764] Broke his leg and Vinny wouldn't tap.

[765] I'm like, bro.

[766] His legs, and Craig's like, your leg's broken.

[767] And then he went again.

[768] And then he finally was like, all right, I'm done.

[769] I'm done.

[770] But yeah, I did that match with Craig and I did another one with Ben Saunders.

[771] And it was the same thing.

[772] Same rule is just no, no heel hook.

[773] Yeah, but beating Craig Jones in a grappling match, even if there's no heels.

[774] Yeah, yeah.

[775] Dude, that was gigantic.

[776] I just went into it.

[777] I'm like, I'm going to stay on top.

[778] I played by the rules.

[779] And I'm like, if he doesn't sweep me or get under me, like, I'm going to win.

[780] And then, like, there was odds for it.

[781] I was like, he was, like, an 18 to one underdog or something like that.

[782] He was supposed to smoke me, but you should have.

[783] But, like, people were giving me shit online.

[784] Like, you didn't.

[785] I'm like, listen, like, I just went in there and just did what I knew I was going to do.

[786] And that, and that was it.

[787] Oh, so this is what the guy would happen with the dude.

[788] Torn ACL, torn MCL, torn meniscus, and a broken ankle.

[789] Oh, my God.

[790] So Mikey said, I'm really sick to my stomach.

[791] I never felt someone's leg explode like that in a match.

[792] Oh, my God.

[793] He goes, I've been training for 22 years.

[794] I never broke someone's leg that much.

[795] That much.

[796] I've broken a lot of legs, he said, but that leg exploded.

[797] I didn't know what to do, and it was disgusting and gross.

[798] I really wish he tapped.

[799] The result didn't change, and now he's in the hospital, so I don't know.

[800] But what a warrior is for showing his will.

[801] I mean, it is, the dude is a warrior, but I mean, that's crazy.

[802] You've got to tap.

[803] You're losing anyway.

[804] For sure.

[805] Tap.

[806] Anything, knees, shoulders.

[807] Like, I'd rather almost not tap maybe in a, like, if I'm going to pick something, it'd be like an arm bar.

[808] Straight arm bar.

[809] Where's the elbow?

[810] But Camorra, like your shoulder, your...

[811] Not just the shoulder, but that spiral fracture, like when Frank Meir gave it to Minotaro and you see his arm snap.

[812] Just like a chicken wing.

[813] Oh, that guy...

[814] You're done.

[815] Oh, that one's so scary.

[816] In Minotaro, he had a giant scar up his arm or it was a spiral fracture.

[817] When he rolled through the way he did...

[818] It was beautiful.

[819] When he turned it and he he put it behind his back.

[820] Oh, God.

[821] Frank Mir has broken two arms of world champions.

[822] Who else did he do?

[823] Tim Sylvia.

[824] Yeah.

[825] Remember that?

[826] snapped his form and half.

[827] He was, dude, he was good.

[828] I was just watching him versus DC the other day.

[829] When I'm on the echo bike, I always just watch fights.

[830] And I was watching him versus DC.

[831] And.

[832] I'm like, damn, DC was a motherfucker back in the day.

[833] Oh, dude.

[834] And he was not even really a heavyweight.

[835] No. He was so small.

[836] DC could have been a 185.

[837] You're so small.

[838] Yeah, look at him.

[839] Look at him.

[840] I mean, he carried around so much body fat, but his wrestling was so fucking high level, man. And he's such a tank.

[841] Outside, like, high crotches he would hit when he dumps the dues.

[842] Yeah.

[843] No, DC was the man. And he was actually hurting, Frank, on the...

[844] I don't think there was one takedown scored on either side here.

[845] I think they just struck the whole time, but, like, D .C. kind of just put it on them.

[846] D .C. was an animal, man. Yeah.

[847] And, you know, that was one of those things, you know, iron sharpens iron, because D .C. was training with Kane Velasquez.

[848] Yeah.

[849] Cain was the fucking man. Cain was, that's another guy.

[850] Like when people look at all -time grates, you got to look at them when they're in their prime.

[851] Yeah.

[852] You know, sometimes guys get injured.

[853] They fall apart.

[854] Things happen.

[855] They get old.

[856] And then you look at these fights where they're getting beaten up.

[857] You can't look at those fights.

[858] You got to look at the fights like, When they were their highest RPMs, how do they perform?

[859] Anderson, same thing.

[860] Yes.

[861] Guys who are watching fights now, I'm like, you guys don't.

[862] I remember it was, they were, came to Philly.

[863] It was Anderson versus Forrest Griffin.

[864] Like, that's when I first got, like, in the watching fights.

[865] I think it was 2009.

[866] And he did that, like, step back and the fucking was dipping the punches and it hit him once and Forrest just quit.

[867] I'm like, this guy's a fucking, he's the best.

[868] And he moved up to 205 for that.

[869] I heard that Forrest, though, got knocked out twice in camp for that fight.

[870] That's what I had heard.

[871] Oh, it happens all the time.

[872] And I think that's true because I think Forrest at that time was, you know, Forrest's, look at it.

[873] It's like, he wanted to help him up.

[874] Jesus, right here, he's just like.

[875] It was just complete different levels.

[876] Yeah, I think he, like, ran out of the arena.

[877] Yeah.

[878] Yeah, it's that right hand.

[879] Yeah, that's it.

[880] That's it.

[881] But I genuinely think, genuinely think that those concussions that he got in camp had an effect.

[882] Yeah.

[883] There's quite a few times where you see guys fight and you're like, man, something's wrong.

[884] Yeah.

[885] They got knocked out too easy.

[886] Yeah.

[887] And then you'll hear, oh, he got knocked out in training two weeks ago.

[888] And that and...

[889] Even if you don't get knocked out, like, you're fucking getting hit in your head.

[890] You might not be going out, but, like, I definitely left practice before, and I'm like, damn, like, I'm fuzzy.

[891] You know, like, guys are definitely, and, like, we're pretty controlled.

[892] Like, I only go with guys I trust, too.

[893] Like, and that's something I think, like, you have to do.

[894] Like, guys I only try.

[895] I'm, like, don't, like, yeah, injuries can happen, but I'm not, I'm not going to try to knock you out.

[896] You're not going to try to knock me out.

[897] And you have that, like, a small team, like, our team, like, All of us came up in the same gym.

[898] Like, we all, we only have, like, we have one head coach.

[899] We just brought in, like, Dean, I'm working with Dean Thomas now, but, like, I love Dean.

[900] The best.

[901] He's coming down to Philly all the time.

[902] He was in my corner for that fight, and, uh, great addition to the team, but he loves our team because we're a small team, but we just fucking.

[903] We just grind and we just want everyone to keep getting better.

[904] But John Marquez is our head coach.

[905] And like, we go hard, but now, like, if it gets out of control, like, he steps right in and shuts that shit down.

[906] That's great.

[907] We're all wearing headgear now.

[908] I got this, I fucking hate headgear, though, because I just feel like you get hit more.

[909] Right.

[910] So I got headgear from Onyx, and it's the small one.

[911] And it's, it's thin.

[912] You can actually see.

[913] So it's Trevor Whitman's.

[914] Yep.

[915] I hit up, I hit them up, and they sent it right out to me. And it's good.

[916] Like, yeah.

[917] Because you can grapple with him.

[918] He makes the best shit.

[919] The best shit.

[920] The best gloves.

[921] They sent me gloves.

[922] And I was like, yo, can I get your MMA gloves?

[923] I'll pay whatever cost.

[924] And Gaiti was like, nah, they're not out yet.

[925] I'm like, all right, well, when they're out.

[926] Dude, the UFC, I don't know what happened.

[927] I don't know how it went wrong.

[928] But the UFC was talking Trevor about using his MMA gloves.

[929] He has absolutely superior MMA gloves.

[930] They're the best.

[931] No one even comes close.

[932] And when you make a fist with those, it actually encourages a closed fist.

[933] You have to work just to open your hands like this.

[934] You have to actually work against the glove.

[935] Whereas the UFC gloves, they kind of open your hand up more and you have to work to close it.

[936] the arm, like you fucking know, that arm pump we get from when I put, like I get the smallest hand wraps.

[937] Like I tell whoever's rap, I'm like, give me a grappler's wrap.

[938] Like I almost want nothing because once you have that rap on, you have the glove on, like when you're trying to close your fist, I'm like, I'm getting fucking arm pump just from trying to close my fucking hand.

[939] right after the fight like your like my forearms are like double the size was the arm pump you have from grappling right so there's got to be like there's got to Trevor I'm telling you it's Trevor's gloves I mean I'm I should probably reinstitute these talks and try to get it going again I really should you know what I'm going to do that Because they're superior.

[940] They're absolutely the best gloves.

[941] It's a problem.

[942] It's a problem for sure.

[943] I don't know what happened, what went wrong.

[944] But Trevor uses superior foam.

[945] Yeah.

[946] Like he, like if you use his boxing gloves.

[947] Oh, I have them.

[948] They're great.

[949] They mold to your hand.

[950] They're the best.

[951] They mold to your hand.

[952] And it's also their superior protection too.

[953] Yeah.

[954] Yeah.

[955] Like he'll show, like he's done demonstrations where he shows how much better the foam he uses to other cheaper foam.

[956] Because it's fighters making stuff for fighters.

[957] Right.

[958] It's not people who aren't doing it.

[959] Right.

[960] Gatchy's the best one to do it and then obviously Trevor too like they're an amazing combo and they're making amazing shit like the headgear's great because head gears like your window's this big next thing you know like you're trying to kickbox and you can't see the guy's legs you're getting fucking kicked in the head and uh you're trying to shoot you're shooting into a knee but his like super wide and it's so thin and you're really just wearing it to prevent cuts right because Like, realistically, if you have a big -ass headgear on, like, when I see someone wearing a headgear, I'm like, I'm like, that's a bigger fucking target.

[961] Like, it's going to be easier to hit.

[962] But with the small one, it's just enough padding.

[963] Yeah.

[964] Just enough to keep you safe.

[965] Remember Mike Tyson back of the day?

[966] He used to wear the real thin one.

[967] Yeah.

[968] Yeah.

[969] It was almost like a wrestling, like, headgear.

[970] Yeah.

[971] Yeah.

[972] Yeah.

[973] I think that's the way to go.

[974] And I think that, you know, it's just unfortunate that...

[975] there's no other way around it.

[976] There's nothing better.

[977] Yeah.

[978] You know, there's no, like, better solution.

[979] If you want to prevent cuts, you're kicking and punching.

[980] Yeah.

[981] Yeah.

[982] I do not like, like, when people have the face bar and there's like, you can't see.

[983] I wore that for a while.

[984] Like, I broke my nose so many times.

[985] But in the beginning of training camps, like I broke my nose.

[986] So you have to spar the entire camp with that nose guard.

[987] And it fucking sucks.

[988] And it still touches your nose.

[989] And you probably get fucked up more with it on.

[990] Like, it definitely get more head shots.

[991] Oh, yeah.

[992] Because you can't see shit.

[993] Yeah.

[994] Can't see shit.

[995] And that bar, it sticks out like this far.

[996] So that bar gets touched and it would touch your nose.

[997] So.

[998] Mm -hmm.

[999] I would even wear like, she basketball players.

[1000] Right.

[1001] The one basketball player always wore it.

[1002] I forget what his name was, but I would wear this plastic shield on my face even when I would roll because my nose would be fucked up.

[1003] I'm like, I can't miss draining.

[1004] And that's like what we were talking about earlier.

[1005] I'm like, maybe I should stay the fuck home.

[1006] But I'd be in the gym.

[1007] I was duct taping it to my head and shit.

[1008] But yeah, it's getting better with the innovation, but we got a long way to go, though.

[1009] So you were telling me that you would hurt your hand in the Kelvin fight, but it's not a break.

[1010] Not a break.

[1011] So it's just, you're just trying to like let it rehab or recover.

[1012] So I'm trying to, and that's like me trying to be smart a little bit.

[1013] At my older age of 31 there, I'm just trying to let it heal.

[1014] And before I get back, I just don't want to start another training camp with an injury.

[1015] Whereas before I would do that, but, um, Yeah, I'm just trying to be smart like maybe get some get some stem cells and like some shit like that Yeah, take and just rest it Let me see if Brigham came got back to me Not yet.

[1016] I'll call him.

[1017] I'll call him when we get out of here, but I think we can get in there But yeah, just just rest and rest but I can still I can still work with my kicks I can still punch and so yeah You're always getting in training.

[1018] Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that was a big win for you man Kelvin, I really think, and I've said this to Kelvin.

[1019] This is back when he was fighting in 85, after he knocked out Bisping.

[1020] I was like, dude, I think you're a world champion in 170.

[1021] Yeah.

[1022] I really do.

[1023] This is years ago.

[1024] Yeah.

[1025] He just didn't want to make that weight cut.

[1026] And he's not a big guy.

[1027] He's not big, man. He's not.

[1028] He's not even big for once a head.

[1029] No, he's not.

[1030] Guys like Philly, you know, like...

[1031] Yeah.

[1032] Like, even, like, when I grabbed him, like, I was like, oh, these are like the easiest takedowns.

[1033] Like, I've ever gotten my life.

[1034] Like, I couldn't believe how easy it was to get him down.

[1035] And even when I wrapped around his legs, he had...

[1036] He has a big, like, framed upper body, but his legs, like, I would lock under his butt.

[1037] They're small.

[1038] And it was so easy to take him down.

[1039] And, um...

[1040] Yeah, like I was saying you were like I walk around 195 200 like most guys like we're not like I think he's better off at middleweight because I think he found a niche where he was a lot faster than a lot of those guys so like Bisbin he was like in and out on him Tim Kennedy like all these guys he was fucking up with his hands he was just a lot faster then well the Tim Kennedy fight I know for sure for a fact that Tim Kennedy overtrained yeah and that that's what because tim kennedy who's known for his car yeah gassed out in that fight and it's because yeah it's the fight sucks because tim's a friend yeah watch it get beat up yeah because i know how good he is like when he beat bisping like yeah yeah kennedy was a fucking monster he uh but yeah and he just he did went through two camps in a row Yeah.

[1041] And it's almost like in our minds, we think always, we always think more is better.

[1042] And I'll take a day off now or even just a session, like a night session, and I'll come into the next day.

[1043] And I'm like, and you want to get after it more.

[1044] Like it gives you that like, I fucking can't wait to get back in there.

[1045] And then you feel fresh when you go into that.

[1046] Like, we'll train till...

[1047] 8 .30, 9 o 'clock at night.

[1048] And then we have practice at 9 .30 the next morning.

[1049] So, like, you're at the gym.

[1050] You go home.

[1051] You sleep.

[1052] You're right back at the gym.

[1053] Like, I do the same drive from my house to the gym.

[1054] So, like, I just, I could close my eyes and drive there because, like, I'm there all day, fucking long.

[1055] But when you have those little breaks in between, you go back in.

[1056] You're like, all right.

[1057] Like, I can't wait to fucking get back in here.

[1058] Yeah, that was interesting talking to Bo Nickel about that because Bo takes two days off a week.

[1059] Yeah, I listen to that.

[1060] Yeah, and I was like, why do you do that?

[1061] And he's like, it's the right way to do it.

[1062] Sundays are my day.

[1063] Like, I try to do nothing.

[1064] Like, not live, like, I'll go on, like, a long walk or, like, walk my dog or run my dog or something like that.

[1065] But I tried no training on Sunday regardless.

[1066] But I think two days is probably the way to go.

[1067] Or even like Thursday, like I'll do a jiu -jitsu session in the morning and take the rest of the day off.

[1068] And that'll be like a lighter day or something like that because we're doing so like I've counted my sessions.

[1069] And by the end of it, including like every workout I do, I'm at like 22 or 23 workouts in a week.

[1070] It's insane.

[1071] There's no other sport like it.

[1072] It's nuts.

[1073] It's nuts.

[1074] And then we start like, I'm eating like 3 ,000 calories, 2 ,700, 25, and I'm cutting my calories down.

[1075] Like, and you're still, and we still in our minds, we're like, we have to keep that same workload.

[1076] Yeah.

[1077] Or ramp it up even more because when you're in camp, you're trying to, you're going a little bit harder.

[1078] So it's a motherfucker.

[1079] It's good.

[1080] gotta fuck with your mind yeah yeah especially when you're cutting the calories oh yeah because you're like damn like I'm supposed to feel this way and I fucking feel like shit yeah you know and you know fights four weeks out three weeks out two weeks out and then if you miss a session that's where you're like like oh shit like he's fucking training you know and I'm not fucking training so that but that's where you gotta like like I'm recovering like I trust the process yeah like I have the sauna I have the ice I have the like Norman Tech boots like I have all this thing but even just like sleep like I'm in bed in training camp, like no later than 9 .30 at night, I'm asleep, and I'm up at 6.

[1081] Like, no matter what my schedule is.

[1082] Like, I'm fucking on that shit.

[1083] And that's the bet.

[1084] Like, sleep is the number one thing you can do.

[1085] 100%.

[1086] Yeah, that's the superpower.

[1087] Yeah.

[1088] Tito Ortiz used to sleep 12 hours a night.

[1089] I wish I could sleep 12 hours.

[1090] Yeah, he would fucking close all the windows, the shades, make the room dark as fuck, and just conk out all night.

[1091] I think like seven, like eight hours is like minimum seven, like seven to nine.

[1092] But if I get like eight hours, like I feel like that's like the sweet spot for me. Like I feel, I feel good.

[1093] It is interesting that this sport, which is relatively recent, right?

[1094] The UFC didn't even exist before 1993.

[1095] And yet guys, you know, here in 2024 are still kind of just...

[1096] dialing it in yeah and there's no there's no like established protocol that everyone uses everyone's got their own kind of methods that are using yeah different individual coaches yeah well even like like like i know guys who are high level fighters who don't know dick about nutrition don't know dick about nutrition recovery nothing i'm like and they're just like just naturally talented and i'm like man like these guys don't even know like yeah So it is crazy.

[1097] It's going to be crazy to see where it goes.

[1098] But like you were saying about Tim, though, I hit up Tim before I was coming out here before my hand was hurting me too much.

[1099] I was going to try to work out with him because he does some fucking hard -ass workouts.

[1100] And I love that shit.

[1101] So he told me he was traveling.

[1102] But I'm going to come back and train with Gordon and train with Tim.

[1103] And because Tim's a motherfucker.

[1104] He's a savage, bro.

[1105] He does some animal shit.

[1106] Yeah.

[1107] His cardio sessions are legendary on the like the ski herbs and I love that shit Yeah, it'd be super fun to to get in on and the guy's not even fighting anymore No still yeah fucking tip -top a go shape Yeah, yeah, yeah He's an animal.

[1108] He's jacked Yeah, and that if that fight always bothered me that Kelvin fight because I knew what was wrong with him Yeah, because I knew he had he had a fight He went into camp and then the fight got canceled and then they got rescheduled Yeah Either got a reschedule or got a new opponent.

[1109] I remember which happened.

[1110] But then he went right back into camp.

[1111] So he's essentially in camp for like...

[1112] Probably 16 weeks.

[1113] Yeah, something nuts.

[1114] Where you can't.

[1115] You just can't do that.

[1116] Your body's going to break down.

[1117] And then you're caught in weight.

[1118] And then you have to gain the weight back because you don't want to stay too low.

[1119] Like that's where it starts to get like, like this is fucked up.

[1120] Like I need to let my body, like my body recover.

[1121] Like...

[1122] There's some guys where I look at them and I'm like, how are you making, like Joe, how are you making 185 Joe Piver?

[1123] Yeah, he's a big boy.

[1124] How are you making 185?

[1125] Big boy.

[1126] That doesn't even make sense.

[1127] He's so big.

[1128] Yeah, he's so fucking big man. He gets like 215.

[1129] That's it?

[1130] Yeah, no, he doesn't get that big.

[1131] He looks even bigger than that.

[1132] He doesn't get that big.

[1133] He looks like 230.

[1134] No, no, God.

[1135] He looks big.

[1136] Yeah, he does.

[1137] He does.

[1138] When he's in the octagon, like, this is a heavyweight almost.

[1139] Yeah, he, um.

[1140] But like 215, 220 for him, he's got a big fight coming up.

[1141] He's fighting Hermanson.

[1142] That's right.

[1143] At a main event.

[1144] Yeah, that's a good fight for him.

[1145] Yeah, that's a good fight.

[1146] That motherfucker hit so hard.

[1147] We should tell everybody that he broke Francis and Gano's record on that punch machine.

[1148] And they weren't trying to give it to him or something like that.

[1149] Yeah, they didn't want to register it.

[1150] I don't understand why.

[1151] I've trained.

[1152] Why didn't he want to give it to him?

[1153] I don't know.

[1154] The guy was saying like something was weird with the machine.

[1155] And Joe was like, he did it like three times.

[1156] Like three times in a row.

[1157] Oh, so the guy didn't want to believe it.

[1158] Yeah.

[1159] He didn't believe that.

[1160] It was real.

[1161] Like how hard Joey was hitting it.

[1162] Like Joey cracks.

[1163] He's by far the hardest person I've ever been hit behind.

[1164] Who was his last fight?

[1165] Who was his last friend is?

[1166] Abdul Ahahasen, yeah.

[1167] Holy shit.

[1168] He submitted him.

[1169] Yeah, but bro, he was putting it on him before that.

[1170] Yeah, yeah.

[1171] He's on another level right now.

[1172] Joe's good.

[1173] He's on another.

[1174] But there's a real clear difference every time you see him in the octagon.

[1175] He's just getting better.

[1176] Like at a high accelerated rate.

[1177] Yeah.

[1178] We had, like I said, me, him, Jeremiah, Andre Petrovsky's another one.

[1179] Like, dude, we have a fucking, we have a good squad.

[1180] And we just, it's a small, small gym in Philly.

[1181] We're on a fucking four floor in like an old warehouse and a pretty bad neighborhood in Philly.

[1182] So, but it's awesome.

[1183] Like, Well, there's like a, there's two schools of thought, right?

[1184] There's one school of thought.

[1185] You should be in the biggest camp possible, like ATT, you're bringing in people.

[1186] But, you know, I've talked to guys that train there and go, yeah, but then you're in these sparring sessions with these Russian guys you've never heard of, and they're fucking straight up killers.

[1187] And that's the cre - We're starting to get it in.

[1188] Like, we have a good group of Russian guys coming in.

[1189] I have this kid, Igor.

[1190] He's like my main training partner.

[1191] I think he's 4 -0.

[1192] Kids came over as a refugee from Ukraine.

[1193] He's one of the, he's a fucking savage.

[1194] Dude, he got carjacked in Philly.

[1195] Whoa.

[1196] I don't know if Jamie can go on my Instagram.

[1197] It's pinned to the top.

[1198] He was delivering for Uber Eats and two guys came up to him.

[1199] They showed him his gun.

[1200] And he didn't know what was going on.

[1201] He walks over his car.

[1202] They're fucking stealing his car.

[1203] He's hanging on the side of the car.

[1204] They're going 40 miles an hour.

[1205] They shoot at him two times.

[1206] Oh, my God.

[1207] They shot at him while he was hanging on the car.

[1208] Shot at him two times.

[1209] Yeah.

[1210] Oh, my God.

[1211] How did he get out of this?

[1212] They point a gun at him right here.

[1213] And then he's like, all right, let me off.

[1214] The dude told him, like, I'm going to fucking shoot you.

[1215] And he finally gets off.

[1216] Like, um, in the beginning of the video, you can hear him.

[1217] He gets shot at fucking.

[1218] Who's filming this?

[1219] So, uh, just some dude in a car behind him.

[1220] Did they ever find the car?

[1221] No, they didn't.

[1222] So we actually started at a, uh, I started a go fund me for him.

[1223] And I raised like 15 grand for him.

[1224] And he got a new car.

[1225] Oh.

[1226] But yeah, like they shoot at him.

[1227] And what people like don't realize he's hanging on this car, they're like, oh, why won't he just let it go?

[1228] His documents are all in the car.

[1229] So like all the money these guys have to pay for lawyers and shit like that.

[1230] Yeah, all of his shit was in his car.

[1231] And he just came from practice and was fucking doing Uber Eats.

[1232] So like he doesn't have any money to fucking pay these lawyers and shit.

[1233] Crazy.

[1234] But Philly's wild.

[1235] Yeah, Philly's wild.

[1236] I carry everywhere I go in Philly.

[1237] I do, I don't know, fuck around.

[1238] But his best friends, Yaroslav, Amsla, from Bellator.

[1239] I don't know how to say his last name.

[1240] He's going to come over and train with us, too.

[1241] Nice.

[1242] So, like, we, like, I brought in Drew Dober in my last camp.

[1243] So we have Neil Magny come in.

[1244] Eric Anders was just up.

[1245] So, like, our gym's starting to get recognized, which is cool.

[1246] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1247] So it's cool.

[1248] Well, I mean, for a small gym, you got six guys fighting in the UFC and a bunch of fucking real killers.

[1249] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1250] So it's cool.

[1251] We have.

[1252] That's amazing.

[1253] Yeah.

[1254] And we got like Pat's fighting in AC.

[1255] Andre's fighting in AC.

[1256] So we'll all be only kind of like fighting around the same times, which there's nothing better than that.

[1257] Like when your teammates are fighting and you're in camp, sucks being in camp when you're by like by yourself.

[1258] You're like, fuck.

[1259] When you went to the Bilal fight, were you, were you 13 and 0, 14 and 0?

[1260] 15.

[1261] Yeah.

[1262] Wow.

[1263] Yeah, 15 and now.

[1264] That's a bitter pill to swallow, right?

[1265] Yeah, it sucked.

[1266] Like, it was the, like, I thought it was going to be the worst thing that ever happened to me. And I kind of, going into that, like, I just didn't feel right.

[1267] Like, travel, at first time I've ever left the country, like, I've never been outside of the United States.

[1268] We travel there.

[1269] All my coaches were getting sick.

[1270] They were all, like, super jet lagged.

[1271] And all week, I just kept having these, like, like thought i'm like i'm gonna lose this fucking fight and uh usually like you have those thoughts but i couldn't i couldn't like flip my mind back to like yo you're gonna win this shit because you always have doubts but i would have i was having dreamed i was gonna lose and i'm like dude like i can't get this out of my head and i told my wife like the day before i'm like i was like i had a dream last night i lost and um I thought when I lost, like I thought being undefeated, like it gets tied to you.

[1272] Everyone sees you.

[1273] They're like, you're like, you're going to fucking be the champion.

[1274] You're going to stay undefeated.

[1275] You're going to return.

[1276] And like, then you become like, you're like, damn, like, I'm not even fighting to win this fight.

[1277] I'm just fighting just to stay undefeated, if that makes sense.

[1278] Like, I'm like, I can't lose this record.

[1279] And then, uh, in the fight.

[1280] First round, like, it was real, like, it was super competitive.

[1281] I went back and watched it and I thought I did a lot better than I thought I did.

[1282] And then in the second, like, I got clipped and I was like there the entire time, but I just couldn't throw.

[1283] I'm like, I was just like, I just kind of quit.

[1284] Like I was like, I just didn't know what to do in that moment.

[1285] And that's the only time I ever quit of myself.

[1286] like practice anything and uh ever since then like i started working with uh two mental performance coaches and i'm just like a completely different person now but it's the best thing that ever happened to me that's a lot of times fighters say that it's like you need to feel the sting of defeat I'm telling you, Joe, the minute I lost, it felt like a fucking, like, a Bronco was lifted off my shoulders.

[1287] Like, I was so, like, I was like, yo, like, this is going to be, this is going to be the best thing that ever happened to me. Because the, just the pressure of being undefeated.

[1288] Just let it go.

[1289] Like, every time, like, I was going to a fight, I'm like, I had the pressure of not only just losing and what comes with losing, but I'm like, If I lose my record, like, no one, like, it's over.

[1290] And then I'm like, it's one fucking fight.

[1291] Like, I won 15 fights in a row.

[1292] I lost one fight.

[1293] Like, it's not how it works.

[1294] And I just thought, like, I just thought, like, my life was going to, like, implode.

[1295] And it didn't, you know.

[1296] I had a hard, like I said, I came home and I definitely trained way too hard because I wanted to come back and fight again.

[1297] And I fucked myself up doing that.

[1298] But that even gave me more time to sit and reflect with myself and just get my shit right and realize, like...

[1299] Like, it's not, it's not, it doesn't mean everything to be undefeated.

[1300] Like, the best fighters in the world take losses.

[1301] And, yeah, I needed that for sure.

[1302] Yeah, the only one it didn't is John.

[1303] John Jones, the only one I didn't.

[1304] But if you were to stuck around long enough, you know.

[1305] Possibly.

[1306] So you never, he had a couple close ones, close one with Glacin T -Bow.

[1307] Glacin T -Bow is very debatable.

[1308] I watched that fight.

[1309] Go back and watch it again.

[1310] Yeah, very close.

[1311] But.

[1312] We're all, it's, you have a 50 % chance of going, you're going to win or you're going to lose.

[1313] And when you're fighting the best guys in the world, like, Ballal is good.

[1314] Like, I know I can beat Ballal, but I'm happy for him to, he went on, he beat Gilbert, he's going to fight for the belt next, and I'll win.

[1315] Is that established?

[1316] Is he definitely fighting for the belt next?

[1317] They haven't announced it, but there's nobody else.

[1318] No. I would hope nobody leaves him.

[1319] Yeah, he deserves it.

[1320] He deserves it.

[1321] 100%.

[1322] He's being the most guys in the top 10, you know.

[1323] He deserves...

[1324] I think he's on a 10 -fight win streak.

[1325] Yeah, he deserves it.

[1326] Yeah.

[1327] And I think he has a good chance of doing really well.

[1328] And they also fought before he got eye -picked.

[1329] Yeah, so it's...

[1330] it's it's there for him like he deserves it and he should get it and I'm happy for him he broken I don't know why he gets so much hate like he's not he's not he's not a bad dude yeah he trains fucking hard and he won't even swear yeah you know when he was in here I'm fucking cursing a million times I do but he would say what the fudge yeah it says like what the fudge yeah yeah yeah you're a goddamn cage fight yeah he gets a lot of a lot of hate but I'm happy for him and that's gonna be a good uh it's gonna be a good fight he's a big guy for 170 man Yeah.

[1331] The law is very large.

[1332] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1333] You know, he's not a small 170 at all.

[1334] No, no. It's going to be a good fight.

[1335] Very good fight.

[1336] I, uh, I wasn't super, like, I wasn't super impressed with that, uh, Colby Leon fight.

[1337] You weren't?

[1338] No, definitely not on Colby side.

[1339] No, not on Colby side.

[1340] That's the fight.

[1341] I was impressed with Leon.

[1342] I want the, I want the Colby fight.

[1343] I think that the problem in that Colby fight is Leon.

[1344] He was so dangerous.

[1345] He was so sharp.

[1346] Yeah.

[1347] He's so technical on his feet.

[1348] And I think in that fight, he was, you know, because Colby talked so much shit.

[1349] I think he was really...

[1350] The shit, but his dad was fucked up.

[1351] Fucked.

[1352] You don't...

[1353] Like...

[1354] say whatever you want about me my team whatever but like you start talking about people like their parents their wives their kids especially if one of them's dead like you're a fucking like that shit you get fucked up in the parking lot for like you don't do shit like that you know what i'm saying so well you know that's colby he's the master getting under people's skin but i think in that fight it backfire yeah and he looked like i was watching i'm like what the like i didn't know what was happening with him like he just wasn't doing anything no he didn't look good um And then Leon shot on him and was like, I think he wanted to just make a point.

[1355] Like, I can take you down.

[1356] And he did.

[1357] No, Leon's fucking good.

[1358] Yeah, his grappling is.

[1359] Very good.

[1360] Leon's good.

[1361] But it almost, he got reversed a couple of times.

[1362] So he shot and then Colby kind of switched it up.

[1363] And Kobe won it on top.

[1364] Yeah.

[1365] Well, I think that was where the tactical errors were made.

[1366] And, you know, that's what I was critiquing at the fight.

[1367] I was like, I don't think he fought the smartest way.

[1368] Yeah.

[1369] Because I think he could have avoided those exchanges.

[1370] And he had this massive advantage in the standings.

[1371] Super clean.

[1372] Like, he would have came out of that fight, like unscathed if he didn't do that.

[1373] But, yeah, the division.

[1374] He still won the fight handily.

[1375] Yeah.

[1376] But at the end of the fight, when Colby's on top of him at the very end of the fight, that doesn't look good.

[1377] No, no. You know, he won 100%.

[1378] He looked great.

[1379] And on the feet, man, he is so sharp.

[1380] His south ball is, um, it's really fucking good.

[1381] Yeah, he's good and he's long.

[1382] He's big too.

[1383] We're all fucking, all 70 -pounders are big.

[1384] Yeah, there's the day of the 70 -pounder walking around at 70s.

[1385] Those are gone.

[1386] Long gone.

[1387] 55.

[1388] Paul used to get up to 200 pounds when he'd fight at 55.

[1389] I would like, dude, he's like, I weigh 203 right now.

[1390] I'm like, bro, you're eight pounds heavier than me. Like, but he'd be, like, fat.

[1391] Like, he'd be drinking IPAs.

[1392] And, like, after he would fight, he would get huge.

[1393] Like, Patty Pimlet fat?

[1394] Not that fat.

[1395] That boy is fat.

[1396] He got fat so quick.

[1397] You see him in December after his fight?

[1398] His face...

[1399] He just goes on, I'm like, dude, like, you're going to a different, but we have, like, fighters have fucking eating disorders.

[1400] Like, we 100 % all have eating disorders because you're eating this way and then you're cutting out food and then you're craving all these foods.

[1401] Like, it's a fucking, it's a, it's a wild, wild way to live.

[1402] But, yeah, there's Patty now.

[1403] Look at it.

[1404] Look at all fat and happy.

[1405] Look how tight that shirt is on him.

[1406] It's so crazy how much weight he gains.

[1407] It's so nuts because he was shredded during that fight.

[1408] Yeah.

[1409] He gets big.

[1410] He does.

[1411] He gets big.

[1412] You know, he got a lot of shit from that Tony Ferguson fight, but I was very impressed.

[1413] I was very impressed with his grappling.

[1414] I was impressed with his striking.

[1415] I think everything looked better.

[1416] And at the end of the day, he won the fight.

[1417] Yeah, 100%.

[1418] He found a way to win.

[1419] He definitely, the third round got a little sketchy, but he found a way to win.

[1420] Yeah, but people saying that he didn't look good, and it's just, I thought, I thought he looked great.

[1421] You know, Tony Ferguson is still dangerous.

[1422] Yeah.

[1423] He's still dangerous.

[1424] I mean, he was dangerous in the Gaichi fight until Gaetjeet started beating him up.

[1425] He was, you know, dangerous in the Chandler fight.

[1426] Drop Chandler.

[1427] Yeah.

[1428] Like, he's still fucking dangerous, man. Yeah.

[1429] I don't think people realize, like, you go in there and you have 15 minutes.

[1430] And you could have woke up that day, had the fucking worst headache.

[1431] Like, you could feel like shit or it just could not be your night, you know?

[1432] So that's why, like, in that moment, you have to make the best of it.

[1433] But some days just, it's just not your day.

[1434] You know what I'm saying?

[1435] And, but in the gym, like, you get that day, you get to go back the next day.

[1436] But a guy like Tony, like at what point does someone step in?

[1437] Now.

[1438] Yeah.

[1439] You think?

[1440] Yeah, it has to be.

[1441] It's, what, six or seven fights?

[1442] I think it's seven in a row.

[1443] Yeah.

[1444] Yeah.

[1445] And he's not, and it's not like, if you were to won that fight, I would still like to see, like, me and my buddy, I was cheering, Tony, Tony, and I, anytime he would do anything, just because I fucking love Tony Ferguson, but it's time.

[1446] Like, yeah, I think so.

[1447] And, like, it was awesome, like, having Goggins there and all that shit, but, like, like, just hanging up.

[1448] Like, you're just doing more damage, you know?

[1449] I also don't know what he's doing in training.

[1450] Like, the Goggin stuff is great and everything like that, but who is he sparring with?

[1451] Is he sparring?

[1452] You know, is he...

[1453] Are you doing skill work?

[1454] Yeah, I don't know what he's doing.

[1455] Like, if you're going to do the shit with Goggins, like, do that outside of training camp.

[1456] Do that, like, when you don't have a fight.

[1457] Exactly.

[1458] You build up that aerobic capacity when you're not getting ready for a flight.

[1459] Like, I'm sure he was, but it kind of seems like he always just did whatever he wanted to do.

[1460] Yeah.

[1461] You know, like...

[1462] Well, it worked for a long time when he was the boogeyman.

[1463] He was fucking...

[1464] Everybody up.

[1465] Those chokes that he was hitting on people, the Darces.

[1466] Yeah.

[1467] Man, he would lock that shit on you and you were done.

[1468] Cowboy, he was cutting cowboy up.

[1469] Pettus.

[1470] Pettus.

[1471] He was fucking people up.

[1472] Tony was a real scary man for many, many years.

[1473] And he tripped on one cord.

[1474] Isn't that all changed?

[1475] Isn't that fucking crazy?

[1476] Getting ready for the Khabi fight, Madison Square Garden, massive fight.

[1477] And trips over a cord and just blows his knee out.

[1478] It doesn't make any sense.

[1479] And then he came back from that super fast.

[1480] Beed Pettus, yeah.

[1481] Oh, he won after that.

[1482] Oh, yeah.

[1483] Oh, he beat Pettus after that.

[1484] Beat the shit out of Pettus.

[1485] I remember the fight.

[1486] He beat the shit out of Pettus.

[1487] I didn't know if that was before or after.

[1488] That was his comeback.

[1489] Damn.

[1490] Because Pettus was kicking the shit out of that leg.

[1491] Yeah.

[1492] And it was only, if I want to remember correctly, five months or so.

[1493] It was like five or seven months.

[1494] It was short.

[1495] Very quick.

[1496] Fucking short.

[1497] And I don't know shit about knees, but I know that sounds very short.

[1498] It was ridiculously short.

[1499] When I talked to people that knew about that surgery and knew about, like, how bad his knee was.

[1500] Yeah.

[1501] He did his own rehab.

[1502] Of course.

[1503] Yeah, he's just amazing.

[1504] Yeah.

[1505] But he was...

[1506] The man, but I think I think it's that time like father time Yeah wins all fights like him.

[1507] It was nice to see cowboy be done when he was done because Like I was telling you earlier being a count when cowboy was on He I think he was the best fighter in the fucking world He was so goddamn good and He would fuck us all up down to the ranch like me Jonathan Webb Paul he would beat the shit out of everybody and then uh Yeah, like even Jim Miller.

[1508] Like, I remember him head kick in Jim Miller when they first fall in AC, knocked him out, and then his last fight was Jim Miller, and Jim got the best of him.

[1509] So it's like, all right, it's time to...

[1510] Yeah, at a certain point in time.

[1511] But he knew, like, he knew, but look at him now.

[1512] He's fucking all saw stuff.

[1513] He's...

[1514] He looks great.

[1515] He does look great.

[1516] I love it.

[1517] He looks.

[1518] He looks.

[1519] And that's another thing I think, like, I just did, I started working with Merrick Health.

[1520] I just did all my blood work last week.

[1521] So I'm waiting for that just to like see where we're at, like after fights, you know?

[1522] So like check my testosterone.

[1523] Just check, check all my shit.

[1524] I'm trying to like really like dial all that shit in.

[1525] That's great.

[1526] And a lot of guys don't do that, you know.

[1527] Well, I think if you want to compete against the best, the best, you got to cross all your T's and dot all your eyes.

[1528] You got to make sure every, every, every, all your ducks are in a row.

[1529] And the difference between the guys who are just super talented who don't take care of nutrition and still perform at a very high level.

[1530] and the guys who are also talented like yourself, but dial everything.

[1531] Yeah, that's how you - That makes a difference, yeah.

[1532] Because even when I'm done fighting, like, I'm going right in a jitsu.

[1533] Like, I can't wait to compete jih Tjitsu.

[1534] Like, that's going to be, like, so fun, because Nogi's getting so fucking big now.

[1535] And, like, you got guys like Wagner, he's, like, 45 years old, still competing and winning.

[1536] So I'm super excited to get into that, too, you know, but I got a lot more fighting than me. That's not for sure.

[1537] Do you think when you stop fighting MMA, you'll compete in Jiu -Jitsu?

[1538] Oh, that's all I...

[1539] That's what I want to do.

[1540] Really?

[1541] Yeah, yeah.

[1542] And I, obviously, like, I want to open a gym one day, but I want to compete just straight J -Jitsu.

[1543] Like, no ghee.

[1544] I did Ghee for 10 years, so I did Ghee for a long time.

[1545] I haven't done it in a while because...

[1546] Like, I get, I feel like to a certain point.

[1547] Like, it's like, all right.

[1548] Like, I've done this.

[1549] I'll pick it up when I'm done for sure.

[1550] But, um, I love just hard, like, Nogi.

[1551] Like, I love it.

[1552] It's so fucking fun than me. And it's getting so big.

[1553] Like, these guys are ADCC.

[1554] It's at, uh, team mobile next year.

[1555] So that's, like, Gordon and he's the fucking best.

[1556] But, um, I was at, the last one that they did AC in Vegas.

[1557] And it was an enormous place.

[1558] Yeah.

[1559] Like, and like you said, it's getting huge.

[1560] I didn't realize he was sitting next to you at the fights when I was talking to you.

[1561] He's the man. I was going to train with him this week.

[1562] I can't wait to train with him, though.

[1563] But I remember seeing those guys back at Henzo's because I was going to at the Henzo's.

[1564] a couple times a week training in the blue basement and i'd see like gordon and craig when they're all still together and they were savages back then and they're still fucking doing it's crazy yeah he's completely extraordinary yeah when you look at a guy who's 28 years old he's universally accepted as the greatest ever next next nuts he's next level and that motherfucker doesn't take a day off yeah yeah yeah it's crazy no days off crazy 365 days a year they're working on something and i'm sure they're training hard Training hard and working on skills and they watch tape and break technique down.

[1565] It's not just like, ah, good enough, go on.

[1566] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1567] That's very systematic.

[1568] Yeah.

[1569] And that John Donner, having that guy is your coach, what a fucking cheat code that is.

[1570] I've seen the room, it'll be like John, Gordon, GSP will be in there.

[1571] I'm like, dude, this room is fucking, it's crazy that, like, the people that they would have in there.

[1572] So you're only four, you're going to get better regardless, you know.

[1573] I remember seeing GSP's corner.

[1574] It'd be like John Donahair, Frossa Hobby, Greg Jackson, back when he would fight.

[1575] Like, he was so ahead of his time, like, with, like, doing shit like that.

[1576] Like, yeah, there's, I think GSP's, he's, like, my, like, goat of, of MMA, just a way, like, being a true martial artist, like, even how he is now, like...

[1577] Guys, when they're done, they get fat, they're done training.

[1578] Once they're done fighting, like, they're done.

[1579] He, like, still trains.

[1580] He probably looks better now than he did back then, so.

[1581] No, he's in great chat.

[1582] I'm trying to follow.

[1583] I'm trying to follow that, for sure.

[1584] Well, he keeps coming down here to train.

[1585] I see him in Austin all the time.

[1586] He's here all the time.

[1587] I'm surprised he doesn't move down here.

[1588] Well, he just comes down to train.

[1589] Yeah.

[1590] I think he likes Montreal.

[1591] Yeah.

[1592] i don't yeah that gym kind of uh try star was the shit for a while amazing haven't heard like too many guys coming out of there now i just feel like there's there's so many gyms now there's so many more gyms like but it was gsp they had rory mcdonald rory was roy was a motherfucker i remember watching him in his prime i was young i'm like this fucking guy is great he was pretty fucking sharp He was very, very good at his prime.

[1593] A couple of those wars, though, with, um, Bobby.

[1594] Definitely, uh, shortened his career.

[1595] It was very nice seeing Robbie go out like that.

[1596] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1597] That was beautiful.

[1598] Yeah, it was, um, no, it was, um, who?

[1599] I thought it was Brian Barbarian.

[1600] No. God damn it.

[1601] It's at the tip of my tongue.

[1602] I'm looking at his face right now.

[1603] I can't pull up.

[1604] Nico Price.

[1605] Thank you.

[1606] Nico Price.

[1607] And Nico Price is fucking, he's got some crazy knockouts and submissions too.

[1608] Yeah, he's a dog.

[1609] Yeah.

[1610] But Robbie went out right.

[1611] Like, he went out in a win.

[1612] Like, that's got a feel.

[1613] Beautiful win.

[1614] First round knockout.

[1615] Didn't even get hit.

[1616] Yeah.

[1617] Everybody went crazy.

[1618] That's got to feel good.

[1619] We played this video.

[1620] It was beautiful.

[1621] Yeah.

[1622] For a guy like him.

[1623] And he's one like the main guys down at Kilcliffe.

[1624] Like he's like, he's like coaching.

[1625] Yep.

[1626] And that's great to see too.

[1627] It is.

[1628] Because when a guy like that, if he's done, he leaves the gym, like a part of like, like you lose part of that gym.

[1629] Yeah.

[1630] Yeah, this was awesome him winning like that.

[1631] It really was fucking cool.

[1632] It was really cool.

[1633] Because it's just like that's what you want to see from a legend.

[1634] Yeah, yeah.

[1635] But people forget that.

[1636] Ruth was Robbie Lawler days.

[1637] Like when him and Rory had that fight, that was just guts.

[1638] And just survival.

[1639] Yeah.

[1640] In this.

[1641] His lip, when it was split like that.

[1642] And I was interviewing and he was screaming when his lips all spit and fucked up.

[1643] You could tell Rurie had it.

[1644] His nose was smashed so bad.

[1645] That last punch, I think it was probably like a straight left.

[1646] He's like, I'm done.

[1647] Like, I just can't take any more pain at this point.

[1648] Yeah, he was destroyed.

[1649] When your nose is broken, you get hitting it, it's not fun.

[1650] Well, his face was pale, too.

[1651] Like, he had lost so much blood that his face was pale.

[1652] He was, uh, he was fucked up.

[1653] Yeah.

[1654] What a crazy fight.

[1655] Look at his face, man. I mean, his face was just a mask of blood.

[1656] And this part...

[1657] This is, like, so iconic.

[1658] Yeah.

[1659] Just staring each other.

[1660] Look how flat his nose is there.

[1661] I mean, Rory's his face is destroyed.

[1662] Oh, my, yeah.

[1663] Jesus.

[1664] It's just destroyed.

[1665] His face is destroyed.

[1666] I mean, that is as close to death as I think we've ever seen anybody get inside the oxygen.

[1667] Yeah, yeah.

[1668] Look at that.

[1669] Look how pale he is.

[1670] And he went on to have some fucking good fights after that, but I was watching his career in PFL, and it was just sad to see the kind of the way he went out.

[1671] Well, I mean, I think you go through a fight like that.

[1672] You don't ever recover fully.

[1673] No, you don't.

[1674] And then you're back in the gym, you're training, and then you fight again.

[1675] Like, everything's amplified in a fight.

[1676] Like, it's just, it's training times 10, you know, and you come out.

[1677] Like, I've came out of fights where...

[1678] Quick fight for me, but I still like, I don't even, like, I'll hit my elbow.

[1679] I'm like, what the fuck did I do to my, like, you just come out of a fight and you're like, you still feel beat up even if it wasn't like a super hard fight.

[1680] Like, even my fight with Kelvin, like, I didn't land like any crazy right hands, but my fucking hands been killing me for the last month.

[1681] So it's always, it's always something.

[1682] And then you go through something like that.

[1683] Do you do any hyperbaric chamber work?

[1684] My strength coach has one, and I got in it.

[1685] And I was having, like, TMJ or something.

[1686] And I got in there, and my fucking ears start to pop.

[1687] And I got kind of freaked out, and I got out.

[1688] But I need to do it.

[1689] I know, like, off camp, but he's like, dude, you got to get in.

[1690] You got to get in.

[1691] And that's, like, the one thing.

[1692] That and float tanks are, like, the two things, like, I haven't got into yet.

[1693] But, yeah, I need to do the, I need to do the float.

[1694] Like, the hyperbaric.

[1695] They say it really, really helps recovery.

[1696] I know that Uriah Faber used it after the Jose Aldo fight.

[1697] Yeah.

[1698] Remember when he got his leg destroyed?

[1699] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1700] I think, I know, especially for your head, too.

[1701] They say, like, it's super, super good for your head.

[1702] Yeah, post -concussions.

[1703] Yeah.

[1704] But, like I said, stem cells, stuff like that.

[1705] Like, it does suck.

[1706] We can't, like, do other, like, peptides.

[1707] Because that shit helps.

[1708] And it's not like...

[1709] Test us for everything else.

[1710] Like, be there on site or whatever.

[1711] But I think that stuff would really help us out.

[1712] Yeah, I don't know why it's illegal.

[1713] I mean, I think there, I think the argument is that it gives you a performance enhancing benefit.

[1714] But I just think all it does is aid in recovery from injuries.

[1715] Yeah.

[1716] And I think if you're dealing with a sport where guys are literally training and preparing to injure each other.

[1717] Yeah.

[1718] That's what you do.

[1719] Yeah.

[1720] Yeah.

[1721] And you're getting injured while training.

[1722] Yeah.

[1723] Preparing to injure each other.

[1724] Yep.

[1725] You're gonna get her injured.

[1726] There's no if, hands, or butts about it.

[1727] And it would be better for the sport overall if that was allowed.

[1728] Yeah.

[1729] And I don't know why these athletic commissions don't recognize, they're like, hey, this is not like steroids.

[1730] Yeah.

[1731] This is something that just helps your injuries here.

[1732] Helping you recover.

[1733] Yeah.

[1734] I'm definitely happy, though, that we're done with Usada.

[1735] I'm hoping that...

[1736] Obviously, they're going to come and drug test us, but don't come to my house at 6 a .m. or 7.

[1737] And don't come when guys are cutting away.

[1738] They came in my house to one night.

[1739] It was 9 .30 at night.

[1740] I was getting...

[1741] Luckily, there was fights on.

[1742] I was in camp, or else I would have been asleep.

[1743] I was watching, like, Bellator on a Friday night.

[1744] They knocked on my door.

[1745] I look at my ring camera.

[1746] My wife's like, it's fucking Usada.

[1747] I'm like...

[1748] I've never been mean to them, and I wasn't even...

[1749] I'm like, dude.

[1750] I looked at them.

[1751] I'm like...

[1752] I'm like, I'm about to get in the bed.

[1753] They're like, we're sorry.

[1754] Like, they have a protocol.

[1755] They had it doing.

[1756] I'm like, I get it.

[1757] How long does it take?

[1758] It's quick.

[1759] It can be quick.

[1760] If they do blood, you have to sit down.

[1761] They time you have to time.

[1762] They time you have to do piss.

[1763] So that can be annoying.

[1764] But like if you just have to pee, you can run through it real quick.

[1765] But you have to get out all your supplements.

[1766] You have to write all that down.

[1767] So it takes probably 35, 40 minutes.

[1768] So every time they come, you have to show them your supplements?

[1769] Yep, every time.

[1770] Wow.

[1771] They had them saved at one point, but then they went away with that, so you'd have to redo it.

[1772] Any medications you take, and then the dude has to come watch you piss.

[1773] You have to pick out a cup.

[1774] So I never dealt, like, I haven't been drug tested by these new guys yet, but come at 3 o 'clock.

[1775] Like, come when I'm home and I'm just sitting on my couch.

[1776] Well, I think the argument against that is if they can catch you, like, if they come to your house at 9 .30 a .m., if you take something that is in your system for a short period of time.

[1777] but provides benefits yeah like if you take some sort of oral testosterone at 9 30 p .m. right before you go to bed like we're gonna get you and then like that was what they were doing with the gummies right with testosterone gummies and baseball yeah something like yeah so the idea is that you take it and then by the time they tested you it already been out of your system I think guys, like, if you have enough money, I'm sure guys are gaming the system somehow, you know.

[1778] Have you heard anything about how guys could do it?

[1779] No, I haven't, but I just feel like guys, like, they're, like, guys have to, people are going to, if you can cheat, somebody's going to cheat.

[1780] They're going to find a way.

[1781] But even with the IVs, I've had heard of guys doing IVs still.

[1782] And I'm like...

[1783] I guess, like you said, like they say the trace plastic, but I'm like, how could you even test for that?

[1784] Because if you're drinking fucking gallons of wood or whatever you're drinking with plastic, I guess there would be traces of plastic.

[1785] Maybe it's a different plastic.

[1786] Yeah.

[1787] But why don't you, Jamie, Google, please.

[1788] How do you detect if someone has had an IV?

[1789] Usada.

[1790] See if there's a, like, Liv explains it.

[1791] Because they were explaining to me that there is a workaround, and the workaround would be if you got all the liquid into a glass vial.

[1792] I was literally, that's what I was thinking.

[1793] Yeah, and then you injected the liquid back into someone's body slowly.

[1794] And instead of a drip, like with a hose, you're just going straight from a glass vial.

[1795] Yeah, yeah.

[1796] Sounds like a fucking process.

[1797] It sounds like a real process.

[1798] Just for an IV.

[1799] But if you're masking it.

[1800] The craziest weight cut that I ever heard, someone was cutting weight by getting their blood removed.

[1801] So they're getting their blood pulled from their body.

[1802] They were chilling it and then putting it back into their body.

[1803] Time for you to...

[1804] just move up a weight class right but here's the question because blood doping that was a way that like tour to france yeah a lot of those guys would do it where they would take blood out of their body and then they put it back in right their body would recover and build that blood back up and then they would put that blood back in so they'd have all this extra yeah yeah and it'd give them extra oxygen that like blood dobin that's like the craziest one like If you're going to do anything, if you just never get tired, like that's like, that's the most superhuman thing you can fucking do.

[1805] Like strength, like strengthening all that, like it's cool.

[1806] But if you can just never get tired, that's like next level shit.

[1807] Well, there's been guys that get pop for EPO.

[1808] And DJ.

[1809] Yeah, well, there's actually a documentary that the UFC did that just came out last week.

[1810] I watched it.

[1811] I started it.

[1812] I started it.

[1813] It's wild.

[1814] Really?

[1815] Really?

[1816] Like what he looked like what he looked like a dead man. Yeah.

[1817] He looked like a guy who was starving to death and he was about to fight.

[1818] Is that what he was saying he was doing the EPO to help him cut weight?

[1819] Is that what he was essentially saying?

[1820] No, no, he was essentially he was anemic.

[1821] I mean, that's what it really is.

[1822] It's anemia.

[1823] It's for anemia.

[1824] he was anemic he had gotten to a point where he he couldn't do anything yeah his his body was just he shouldn't he should have pulled out it's really what it should have done yeah and but or what he should have done i think is probably had a test cut yeah and if he had a test cut like he was he was down to 135 and then cutting the weight and when he was down to 135 you looked at him you're like oh my god he was bad i remember seeing picture of him in camp i'm like I'm like, this dude looks horrible.

[1825] When he was preparing for the fight, and then they were, it was like the day of the way and you see him walking around.

[1826] You're like, what in the fuck?

[1827] Yeah.

[1828] His whole face was just skeleton.

[1829] And then like, you get fucking hit like that?

[1830] Right.

[1831] Like, I don't care if you have 48 hours.

[1832] Like.

[1833] Yeah.

[1834] So that's, that's what he looked like.

[1835] Oh.

[1836] Is that so insane, man. It's so insane that weight cut.

[1837] Look it is.

[1838] Yeah, look at them there.

[1839] Listen, all of our cheeks get sucked in, but that's, that's crazy.

[1840] That's different.

[1841] I mean, that's not just a cheek set.

[1842] It's like you're losing your jaw muscles.

[1843] And that's the thing.

[1844] It's like you're losing muscle, man. You're losing muscle.

[1845] Now you see him now.

[1846] He's not a small dude.

[1847] Like, he's pretty fucking big.

[1848] Like, well, T .J. also had had shoulder problems his whole career.

[1849] Yeah.

[1850] I think he had torn, two torn super sphinatus muscles in both traps or both shoulders and just never got it fixed.

[1851] He was so good.

[1852] I love watching him.

[1853] Like, his, uh, just his strike -in was so good.

[1854] Like, I feel like he was, like, one of the first guys to start doing, like, to switching stances and throwing, like, he was, he's fucking good.

[1855] Dude, the Hennon -Borow fight, holy shit.

[1856] The first one, yeah.

[1857] Also, it's also, like, his ability to perform.

[1858] Yeah.

[1859] Under pressure.

[1860] Like, when the stakes were high, when the pressure was high.

[1861] Cody Garbrandt fight.

[1862] Yes, yes.

[1863] He got dropped in that first round.

[1864] It came back and knocked Cody out.

[1865] And I fucking love Cody.

[1866] That.

[1867] It was nice to see Cody get back on track.

[1868] But yeah, that was he can fuck.

[1869] He's a competitor.

[1870] He's a competitor.

[1871] And it worked for him for a long time, you know.

[1872] Yeah, just the shoulder thing is just so unfortunate because now he's fucked and he's had multiple surgeries and he's hoping that he can still come back.

[1873] Because he fought in Abu Dhabi on that car with me and his shoulder popped out like immediately or something like that.

[1874] Well, he had actually told the referee before the fight.

[1875] He said, my shoulder's going to pop out.

[1876] He said, just let me fight and I'll put it back in.

[1877] It pops out all the time.

[1878] Like that's not good.

[1879] I've seen that though.

[1880] I've seen guys like in the room like they get like sprawled on their fucking shoulder pops out and they like.

[1881] They hit they're like I need a second and they snap it back I'm like I'm like dude I don't know if you should be doing that like that's like supposedly what happened with Yuri like his coaches were trying to Yes, they put his shit back in the place and they just totally destroyed his show I'm like yeah Yeah, probably shouldn't be doing that.

[1882] It's not like a finger like a jiu jitzu finger where you're doing ghee and like your like your coach fucking snaps your finger like that's your shoulder Well it's also when your shoulder gets destroyed like that and they have to replace your shoulder I that's it yeah i don't i i know guys have gotten their hip resurfaced and continue to compete yeah i know frankie edgar did that yeah but i think shoulders like once that's shoulder shoulders and knees like i've been pretty knock on wood like i feel like once you have a problem with your shoulders your knees you're fucked like you're always going to have same thing with like if you do that back surgery because the back surgery is a big i think see and your neck like if you do any of those surgeries i think you're fucking done Well, that's what's crazy about Al Jermaine.

[1883] I mean, he did his neck and then won and defended the title multiple times.

[1884] Yeah.

[1885] And he looked great.

[1886] He looked great.

[1887] He looked great.

[1888] Yeah.

[1889] He came back and that Peter Young fight, like, he looked fucking, he looked fucking.

[1890] Yeah.

[1891] With a fake disc in his neck.

[1892] Yeah.

[1893] He's got an artificial disc in his back and he's competing in M .A. That's crazy.

[1894] And winning as a champion.

[1895] Yeah.

[1896] It's nuts.

[1897] Chris Weidman's coming back again, too.

[1898] He's playing Bruno.

[1899] I was there.

[1900] Bruno Silva.

[1901] I was there for his fight in, um, in Boston.

[1902] And, uh, It was good, like, good to see him, like, get back in there.

[1903] Like, that break was so bad.

[1904] So, I watched.

[1905] I guess they're putting out, like, mini -series of the UFC.

[1906] I watched that one.

[1907] And, um, that on him, like, coming back from his leg, I was, like, almost crying watching it, like, seeing, like, the pain he was going through.

[1908] Like, he had, like, two or three surgeries after that.

[1909] And really?

[1910] And it, like, it, like, his leg, like, wouldn't take.

[1911] Or he would like start feeling a weird pain and they'd go back in and do another surgery.

[1912] He'd start getting better.

[1913] They'd do another surgery.

[1914] It's like it's the same thing as that TJ one.

[1915] If you get like 25 minutes watch it one day, it's fucking good.

[1916] Well, that's the case with Connor as well, I believe.

[1917] I think Connor, Connor's had multiple surgeries as well.

[1918] Well, a break like that.

[1919] It's a crazy break.

[1920] The only one guy, you know, I'd said no one's ever come back from it, but apparently the guy who won the PFL heavyweight division, he had a broke.

[1921] Really?

[1922] Broke leg like that.

[1923] And he came back and he's competing at a high level.

[1924] Well, how about Chris Widman does it to Anderson Silva and then he gets it done to him?

[1925] Like that is like...

[1926] What kind of like how does that happen?

[1927] Like that's the odds What's nuts?

[1928] Especially when you think about how few leg breaks like that have been in the UFC Yeah, I think there's only been four He's been a part of two of them.

[1929] Yeah, that's crazy.

[1930] I can only think of those two.

[1931] Who else was in the UFC?

[1932] The first one was what was a gentleman's name?

[1933] Cory Hill Yeah, yeah, I remember that I think he's dead.

[1934] He is dead.

[1935] Yeah.

[1936] I don't know what happened to him.

[1937] Yeah.

[1938] But I remember that one.

[1939] And then Chris is involved in two of them.

[1940] Mm -hmm.

[1941] So is Corey Anderson, Chris...

[1942] Who else?

[1943] There's one other one.

[1944] Someone else got there like, bro.

[1945] Yeah, I don't know.

[1946] Connor.

[1947] Connor.

[1948] That's it.

[1949] That's it.

[1950] Yeah.

[1951] So those are the four.

[1952] The biggest one, Connor.

[1953] Yeah.

[1954] And then outside of that, I've seen it with Tyrant Spong.

[1955] Yeah.

[1956] He, uh, with the go -cons hockey fight.

[1957] Yeah, that was nasty.

[1958] That's the only time I've ever seen it in kickboxing.

[1959] He's fucking, his highlights are crazy.

[1960] Oh, he's a killer.

[1961] You ever see the one where I think he, dude comes out, drops Tyron.

[1962] He gets up, showing up, and throws that overhand and cleans him.

[1963] I'm like, God, damn.

[1964] He still, uh, he still trains.

[1965] Like, he's down at Henry's, and he's, like, one of their main guys.

[1966] What did you do?

[1967] This was not in the UFC, but it's on combat.

[1968] Oh, this is, like, femur comes out.

[1969] Oh, I saw this one.

[1970] Yeah, he gets taken down.

[1971] That's a crazy one, right?

[1972] This one's bad.

[1973] And it's weird how it goes down.

[1974] Like, oh, look how it goes backwards.

[1975] Oh, look at his pain, the pain he's in.

[1976] Oh, my God.

[1977] It's weird how it goes backwards.

[1978] Oh, God.

[1979] Oh, God.

[1980] Look at it poking out like that.

[1981] Is that his femur?

[1982] Yep, yep, yep, yep.

[1983] Yeah, he's like my leg, my leg.

[1984] Oh, my God.

[1985] That's bad.

[1986] They're hard to watch.

[1987] that's uh my dad broke his femur he was a construction worker he had a bunch of stones fall on his leg snapped his fucking femur in half he had a metal rod in there for years they they he got his knees redone they had to take the metal rod out of his knee like his like bone like i guess like formed to it they said taking it out was rough yeah It's the biggest bone in your body, I think.

[1988] Oh, I think so, too.

[1989] God damn.

[1990] Yeah, Frank Meere, when he get hit by a car.

[1991] Remember that?

[1992] He broke his femur.

[1993] Yeah, he was riding a motorcycle.

[1994] A guy ran a light, T -boned him.

[1995] He went flying through the air.

[1996] And it took a long time before Frank got back on track.

[1997] That's, like, one of the hardest things with me and, like...

[1998] Like, I grew up riding dirt bikes and, like, I love doing shit.

[1999] I'm like, but our job's so dangerous already.

[2000] I'm like, I can't afford to do any of these other things.

[2001] Like, we were up to mountains over the weekend.

[2002] Like, my brother's like, let's go snowboard.

[2003] And I'm like, bro, like, I can't, dude.

[2004] Like, I want to so bad.

[2005] But I'm going to do all that shit when I'm done fighting.

[2006] Like, you just can't stack another thing on top of fucking.

[2007] I have a Ford Raptor.

[2008] I got it all souped up.

[2009] I'm like, that's my thing.

[2010] You know, like, I got a nice truck.

[2011] But I can't, I can't ride bikes yet.

[2012] I can't, like, we just can't afford to stack all those other things on top of our dangerous -ass job already.

[2013] Did you see what Sean Strickland was doing the other day?

[2014] Shooting, like, roaming candles at each other.

[2015] How about a firework fight.

[2016] Yeah, bro, I'm not doing that.

[2017] Three weeks before he's fighting to retain his title.

[2018] He had, like, burns on him.

[2019] He's so nuts.

[2020] He's nuts.

[2021] He's so out of his fucking mind.

[2022] But that boy can fight.

[2023] All he does is spar.

[2024] He probably looks at a treadmill.

[2025] He's like, get the fuck out of here.

[2026] He's like, I'm going to spar.

[2027] What's crazy is his conditioning.

[2028] Like, look at that Israel -A -Sanya fight.

[2029] This is his first time fighting for the title.

[2030] He's fighting a legend.

[2031] And in the fifth round, he's not even breathing heavy.

[2032] Floors him, too.

[2033] Amazing.

[2034] Amazing.

[2035] Hit him with that one -two, drops them, pummels him afterwards.

[2036] Mm -hmm.

[2037] And then, but dude, he's like, he's not even jumping like dirt bikes.

[2038] He's jumping like motorcycles in the desert.

[2039] I'm like, what the fuck is this dude?

[2040] He's out of his fucking mind.

[2041] And that's also how he blew his knee apart.

[2042] Oh, he's, oh yeah, because he used to fight at 70.

[2043] Yeah.

[2044] People don't know him and Kamaro fought at, um, at 170 back on day.

[2045] Camaro put it on pretty good.

[2046] Well, I think he's one of those guys that really was cutting too much weight.

[2047] He's definitely.

[2048] He's huge.

[2049] There's that point of.

[2050] diminishing returns.

[2051] He's huge.

[2052] That'd be like Joey trying to cut down the 170.

[2053] Like you'd be fuck.

[2054] Just because you can make something doesn't mean you should do it, you know?

[2055] Like I'm going to be interested to see that fight next weekend.

[2056] I can't believe it's already here.

[2057] If anybody wants to see the extreme version that watch that TJ documentary.

[2058] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2059] That's pretty heavy.

[2060] His fight with Dracus is going to be...

[2061] Very interesting.

[2062] Dracus is fucking scary.

[2063] And that's a guy who's so big for 85.

[2064] The way he looked against...

[2065] I counted...

[2066] I didn't give him a fucking chance against Robert Whitaker.

[2067] And boy, was I wrong.

[2068] Okay.

[2069] Well, also that's after he got his deviated surgery.

[2070] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2071] I think, I mean, it's a big factor.

[2072] Yeah.

[2073] Being able to breathe that, you know.

[2074] If you can't breathe, you can't fight.

[2075] Yeah.

[2076] But it's also, it's like Drickis looks awkward.

[2077] Yeah.

[2078] He moves different.

[2079] But that movement and that awkwardness makes him difficult to time.

[2080] It's like his timing is off.

[2081] Yeah.

[2082] And if you don't have anybody that can imitate that kind of stutter step motion that he does.

[2083] Yeah.

[2084] Yeah.

[2085] It fights.

[2086] It fights weird.

[2087] yeah it's deceptively technical yeah yeah deceptively it's his style you can't you can't say it's wrong you know like that's how that's how it's and it works and he's like you can tell you strong like I think he's gonna come in and really try to like put like a hard grappling pace on Sean and but Sean's hard to take down like you don't see many guys taking Sean down like he's not well he's a very good grappler he's not yeah he's not easy to take down I've talked to guys a role of them's like that motherfucker's very I seen he was out at, I think he was training with Jocko and those guys.

[2088] Yeah, Jocko told me. Yeah.

[2089] Jock goes, dude, he's fucking legit.

[2090] Yeah.

[2091] He's really legit.

[2092] He's long, too.

[2093] Like, I'm sure he has good, good Jiu -Jitsu.

[2094] Yeah.

[2095] But that's a good fight.

[2096] Well, here's an interesting statistic because, you know, the UFC, was it a mouth guard that they gave you guys?

[2097] Do you show how many shots do you take?

[2098] Something like that, yeah.

[2099] He gets hit the least, and he spars the most.

[2100] Yeah.

[2101] So he's like his defense is so underappreciated.

[2102] Yeah.

[2103] Because that was a big factor in that fight too with Adasanya.

[2104] Adasanya just couldn't find him.

[2105] Yeah, he's like, it's like a weird, like, Philly shell that he does.

[2106] And then he's lifting that, like, lead leg to, like, he's front kicking you with that lead leg.

[2107] Yeah.

[2108] Yeah.

[2109] And that, and he's just always jabbing.

[2110] And it comes, like, you would think a jab coming from down here, like, it'd be easier to time, but it's not.

[2111] Because it's coming from a, like, you don't fucking see it.

[2112] And then, bop, bop.

[2113] And then he's hitting you with the jab.

[2114] But it fucking, it works for him.

[2115] It works for him amazingly.

[2116] I don't think Izzy was 100 % in that training camp either.

[2117] Like, he had that DUI thing where the DWI, like right before the, I was like two weeks before that fight.

[2118] And I think he just thought he was going to fucking blow Sean out of the water.

[2119] And Sean's a tough motherfucker.

[2120] Yeah, you can't.

[2121] After the abyss fight, someone should have looked at that fight and go, listen, this guy is always there.

[2122] Yeah.

[2123] He's always there.

[2124] It's crazy how it can flip so fast, like, A year ago, he lost to Jared Cannonier, and now he's fucking UFC champion.

[2125] Yeah.

[2126] I mean, how about the Paheda fight?

[2127] Yeah.

[2128] He gets flatlined in the first round against Paheda, and then you think, this guy's not going to be the champion.

[2129] A year later, he's a champ.

[2130] Yeah.

[2131] And went to train with Paheda.

[2132] Yeah.

[2133] That shows you how smart Eos.

[2134] He's like, I'm going to go learn from this fucking guy.

[2135] Pay it'll teach you, which is even crazy.

[2136] Hell yeah.

[2137] Alex is, he's a bad motherfucker.

[2138] He's a big dude.

[2139] He's gigantic.

[2140] That guy making 185 was ridiculous.

[2141] Nuts.

[2142] Ridiculous.

[2143] Like, how?

[2144] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2145] How does you do it?

[2146] Yeah.

[2147] Because you look at him at 205.

[2148] He's so big at 205.

[2149] I think he's way better off at 205, though.

[2150] I think so, too.

[2151] Like, I don't know who he's going to fight next, but I'll be watching.

[2152] Yeah, I mean, I would imagine it would be Jamal.

[2153] I just don't know when Jamal's going to be fully recovered.

[2154] You know, Jamal blew out his Achilles, which is a bad one.

[2155] That's a hard one to come back from.

[2156] Yeah, it's a bad one.

[2157] That's what Aaron – is that what Aaron Rogers did?

[2158] Yeah.

[2159] That's got to be weird.

[2160] Like you're just going, and then next thing it's done.

[2161] Yeah, it just pops off.

[2162] Yeah.

[2163] But Aaron Rogers is doing great.

[2164] They're saying he might, like, play – like – He was hoping to.

[2165] Oh, yeah.

[2166] But it's only been how many months since the injury?

[2167] Four or five?

[2168] What was the beginning of the season?

[2169] September, I guess.

[2170] Was that what it was?

[2171] It started?

[2172] I think so.

[2173] October, November, December, January.

[2174] So four months.

[2175] Yeah, not long.

[2176] Not long at all for such a catastrophic injury.

[2177] Yeah.

[2178] I think Alex would be champ for a while, though.

[2179] It's got to, until someone comes along and exposes his ground game is not where it needs to be.

[2180] Well, that's what's interesting with Hamzot, right?

[2181] If he fights Hamzat Chamaev at 185 pounds, that gets very interesting.

[2182] Yeah.

[2183] You know, but I think we saw in the Hamzat fight against Usen that, you know, Hamzat against a really big, strong grappler.

[2184] Yeah.

[2185] It's still very effective.

[2186] Yeah.

[2187] But, you know.

[2188] Not to the level where, like, it should be.

[2189] Well, Usman exposed some holes in his game.

[2190] Yeah, 100%.

[2191] And Usman had no count.

[2192] That was a five -round fight.

[2193] Yeah.

[2194] Like, and Usman took it on short notice.

[2195] Right.

[2196] Even on short notice, if there was two more rounds of that, who knows where that could have gone?

[2197] Usman was putting it on in the third.

[2198] I re -watched it recently, and he was getting the better of him in the third round, for sure.

[2199] Especially in the strike game, because I think something happened to Hamzot's hand in the first round because he broke his hand.

[2200] Yeah, yeah, he's got some injuries going on, but even like something like that.

[2201] someone like Bo Nickel, and Bo's gonna be a motherfucker.

[2202] And then Joey's right, Joey, Joey's known for knocking guys out, but Joey has fucking really, he submitted Abdul in his last fight.

[2203] He's got really good wrestling, really good submission.

[2204] So it looks like 185 doesn't have like those grab, like 170, like we're stacked with grapplers.

[2205] 155 stacked with grapplers.

[2206] Like 185 kind of doesn't have that.

[2207] So if you come into 185 and you have that good wrestling and grappling pedigree, like I think you can do really, really well.

[2208] It's interesting with Bo.

[2209] It's like they're let...

[2210] It's like some fighters get thrown to the wolves.

[2211] Yeah.

[2212] And some fighters, they lead...

[2213] He's doing, like, the slow...

[2214] Nicely slow.

[2215] Like, every fight, he's this giant...

[2216] Yeah.

[2217] Giant favorite.

[2218] And the next fight, same thing.

[2219] Yeah, and he smokes him.

[2220] Yeah.

[2221] He hasn't fought this much.

[2222] July.

[2223] I listen to the podcast.

[2224] It was really good, but...

[2225] I think he's doing it right.

[2226] He's like, listen, I'm going to kind of slope because he's 27, 28.

[2227] He's already in the UFC.

[2228] A couple of fights away from being in the top 15, why rush?

[2229] And I feel like that's something I did early on that I wish I wanted to be in the top 15 so bad.

[2230] Then once you get there, you have to wait for the division to play out.

[2231] You have to wait for guys to fight, and then you get hurt, and then you're sitting on the sidelines.

[2232] Whereas if you're not in the top 15, you can kind of rack up these wins, fight these guys who aren't.

[2233] world class but they're still good fighters you can get that experience and then go into the top 15 yeah well that's what they do in boxing and it's always been the way they did it they test guys you get tested yeah but not a fight that you're gonna lose a fight their guy's gonna show you some different looks you're gonna get you know maybe this guy likes to fight inside maybe this guy's long fights on the outside you get these different looks and you learn and grow and develop new skills and get experience and then you fight for the title Well, we have Boots, Duran Ennis.

[2234] His dad was my boxing coach for years.

[2235] Boots holds pads for me all the time.

[2236] Bro, that guy is a wizard.

[2237] He is this.

[2238] I'll watch him hit pads from Orthodox to South Paul.

[2239] How hard he hits.

[2240] Like, I'm like, yo, I wouldn't, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would be butt scooting towards boots if I had a father.

[2241] Like, yo, come here because he thumps.

[2242] And he's 25 or, like, 26.

[2243] Like, he's not even a man yet.

[2244] Like, I used to think the man's trying to thing was bullshit.

[2245] It's true.

[2246] Like, the older you get, you definitely get stronger.

[2247] And he's getting stronger and he's getting better.

[2248] It sucks.

[2249] Like, they gave him the belt, I guess, because Terrence, like, got stripped.

[2250] So he didn't get to earn it.

[2251] He was the interim champ.

[2252] But he has a – he's having such a hard time getting a fight.

[2253] Yeah, nobody wants to fight him, and Terrence wants the big money fights.

[2254] And I get that.

[2255] I get it.

[2256] But Boots is going to fuck any of these dudes up.

[2257] Like, I would love, like, I think...

[2258] He's special.

[2259] Terrence is great, but, like, Boots is that next generation.

[2260] Well, I think that fight would be very competitive, and I would really love to see that, because I think Terrence is the fucking man. Yeah.

[2261] But I think that Terrence is 35, 36, somewhere in that range.

[2262] And for him, it's, like, all about big money fights.

[2263] That's why he's trying to get that Canello fight.

[2264] I get that.

[2265] Like, you get to a certain point in your career, like, you deserve that.

[2266] But I'm happy that they did strip him, so now they're going to give Boots that clear path to go let him build his resume and fight the guy.

[2267] But I don't even know who's in that division.

[2268] Well, it's like right now Terrence is locked up with Errol Spence again, because Errol Spence, he exercised the rematch.

[2269] So they're going to fight.

[2270] Yeah, I think, you know, if I was being cynical, I would say, listen, Errol Spence fights someone else.

[2271] How much is he going to make?

[2272] Errol Spites...

[2273] Erl Spence fights Terrence Crawford again.

[2274] He's going to make a big paid in.

[2275] Yeah.

[2276] You know, and I think that's probably why he's doing this rematch again.

[2277] Also...

[2278] He knows he's getting paid.

[2279] Yeah.

[2280] Knows he's getting paid, but also not happy with his performance in the first fight and thinks he can do better.

[2281] And I get that.

[2282] I think tennis is on another level.

[2283] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2284] He's fucking, he's good.

[2285] We had the UFC fights and those fights going on, and he just seemed like he was on a different level the entire time.

[2286] Yeah, he's so smart and he's so technical, and he also has that incredible ability to shift.

[2287] He can switch stances and fight just as good southpaws, and Orthodox.

[2288] He, uh, I think it was like, I think he was fighting Sean Porter and his coach was like telling him, like, yo, he's, it was like the 10th round.

[2289] He was like, yo, he's up.

[2290] And he looked at back.

[2291] He's like, he's up.

[2292] He's up.

[2293] And he went out there.

[2294] And he's like, all right, bet went out there, smoked him the next round.

[2295] I'm like, yo, this dude is fucking, he's the man. But, yeah, boots.

[2296] Like, boxing's hard to follow, though, because there's so many.

[2297] It's not like the UFC is the UFC.

[2298] And there's like.

[2299] Top rank and there's Showtime and there's this and the Golden Bull.

[2300] The belt, like who has the belt?

[2301] So it makes it so many belts.

[2302] It makes it hard to follow.

[2303] Well, there does because there's not just way more weight classes, but there's also four sanctioning bodies.

[2304] Yeah.

[2305] And so it's at least four.

[2306] WBC, IBO.

[2307] WBO, IBF, right?

[2308] So how many boxing?

[2309] It's at least four.

[2310] It's at least four.

[2311] Yeah.

[2312] It's a lot.

[2313] WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF.

[2314] That's four right there.

[2315] Is that it?

[2316] Is that it?

[2317] There's probably four more.

[2318] Yeah.

[2319] There's a lot.

[2320] But it's just like why?

[2321] Yeah.

[2322] Why there's so many sanctioning bodies?

[2323] Like that doesn't make any sense.

[2324] It's not like we're in MMA.

[2325] Like the other's Bellator.

[2326] Not now.

[2327] P. I mean, there still is, but like.

[2328] Does Bellator is going to still exist overseas?

[2329] Yeah, with PFL.

[2330] But, like, in MMA, like, you want to be a UFC champion.

[2331] Right.

[2332] When you're a boxer, you're like, who do you, I want to be, uh, WB, like, it's so hard to...

[2333] You want to beat the guy who's recognized as being famous as a champion.

[2334] And what do you want to have?

[2335] Do you want to have all four belts?

[2336] Right.

[2337] Because if you don't have all four belts, you're not really...

[2338] You can make, oh, that guy's still out there, you know?

[2339] Right.

[2340] It just gets, like, fucking hard to follow.

[2341] Right.

[2342] So...

[2343] But, yeah, Boots is, he's scary.

[2344] Yeah.

[2345] He's scary or shit.

[2346] I love watching him.

[2347] He's crazy.

[2348] And his, dude, his dad's like 70 years old, still spars.

[2349] Really?

[2350] Yeah.

[2351] He's still spars?

[2352] We live in the same neighborhood.

[2353] I'll see him running.

[2354] He'll be running.

[2355] He'll fucking beat my horn.

[2356] I'm like, yo.

[2357] His name's Bozzy.

[2358] And he's just still getting it.

[2359] Yeah.

[2360] It's crazy.

[2361] Yeah.

[2362] He's like 70 years old.

[2363] He's like 70.

[2364] Yeah.

[2365] That's crazy.

[2366] Still sparring.

[2367] That's crazy.

[2368] Still sparring.

[2369] Still running.

[2370] Like comes in the gym.

[2371] Sweat pants, sweat top.

[2372] Like, like, He doesn't hold pads anymore because his shoulders, but he holds noodles.

[2373] So he holds the noodles for him and still just fucking just loves it.

[2374] Wow.

[2375] That's what he just loves to do.

[2376] Yeah.

[2377] That's awesome, man. Crazy.

[2378] I love the fact that he can keep doing it that age.

[2379] I mean, Floyd Mabweather Sr. was doing it.

[2380] He was sparring pretty late into his life.

[2381] Yeah.

[2382] I mean, when I'm done fighting, like, I'm 100 %, like, obviously, jih Tzu is going to be huge.

[2383] I'm old, like, I want to compete, but I still want to train.

[2384] Like, I, like, there's nothing better than waking up every day and you get to do what you love to do, you know, like, there's rough days, of course, but I get to go train, and there's no other place I'd rather be.

[2385] Like, if I had...

[2386] A billion dollars in my bank, I would still do the same exact things I do every day, because it's what I love to do.

[2387] That's beautiful.

[2388] You know?

[2389] That's a successful life.

[2390] Yeah, that's all, that's it.

[2391] Yeah.

[2392] That's a truly successful life if you're actually doing the things you love all the time.

[2393] And if you can make that your job, that's amazing.

[2394] You go to 9 to 5, like, you're sitting in traffic.

[2395] You're like, dude, I fucking hate this.

[2396] Yeah.

[2397] We get that, like, we have a schedule, but, like, you still get to kind of make your own.

[2398] Yeah.

[2399] That's Bozy.

[2400] 70 years old?

[2401] This is old, too, yeah.

[2402] A couple years old.

[2403] Yeah, right?

[2404] Yeah.

[2405] So, what is he?

[2406] 65, whatever.

[2407] Still, that's incredible.

[2408] He looks great.

[2409] Yeah.

[2410] Oh, he is boxing still.

[2411] Look at that.

[2412] Wow, this is crazy.

[2413] 65 -year -old Bozy sparring.

[2414] 65.

[2415] And he's just fucking around, but, bro.

[2416] He's talking shit, too.

[2417] Just popping up with that jab.

[2418] And the jab, as you were saying before, about Sean, the jab real low.

[2419] Coming down from low, yeah.

[2420] And same thing I was saying about our gym Marquez, MMA, like, bro, they're in just these gritty gyms.

[2421] Like, there's no super gym.

[2422] Like, there's no super gym in Philly.

[2423] Like, well, that's the question is like, what is the best?

[2424] Is it best to be with a small gym with really good coaches where they give you individual attention?

[2425] Yeah.

[2426] They really know what you're doing.

[2427] Yeah.

[2428] when you're on, when you're peaking, where you're at, versus going to like a mega gym, like ATT.

[2429] Mm -hmm.

[2430] So my coach John, like he, only person that holds pads for me, he watches all my sparring sessions like that he does for all of us.

[2431] And then he'll send my sparring to Dean.

[2432] Dean will break it down and then like my wrestling coach Cody like everyone it's only three or four guys but the head guy is John and he oversees everything and when you have a big gym if you're if you're not a top guy like you're not getting that you know because there's so many like yeah like you have the training partners but you're not getting that one -on -one that unless you're a champion.

[2433] Unless you're a champion, you know.

[2434] And then it's still even hard because, like, you got, like, your training partners are like, fuck, like, I want to help these guys out.

[2435] But I know, like, American Top Team, like, they have different sets of coaches.

[2436] So you might work with this coach.

[2437] Like, they have Mike Browns, like the main guy.

[2438] So you might work with Mike, but you might not work with this guy.

[2439] But...

[2440] I just think it's like I'm luckily enough I don't have to travel like my whole family lives in this like I thought it like there was definitely times when I was coming up I'm like damn like where would I go would I go to Florida would I go here would I go there and then I got lucky enough that I was just winning fights and our team was growing and we have the training partners now and I don't have to go anywhere no you listen man the results speak for themselves obviously yeah so tell me more I want to hear more about this mental training yeah what's involved with that So you decided to do this after the Bilal fight?

[2441] Yeah.

[2442] So you said you made like some decisions in that fight that you like you never had made before.

[2443] Yeah, I feel like I remember like you're in there and fighting like being in a fight is the weirdest feeling ever.

[2444] Like sometimes like you're super present and then sometimes you're not.

[2445] Like I remember just being in that fight and for with Kelvin.

[2446] For 15 minutes, I was where my feet were, I was super present.

[2447] Like, I had, like, I was locked in that entire time.

[2448] When I fought below, I remember, like, I was just thinking about other shit.

[2449] And then I'd come back to, like, like, the present.

[2450] And I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?

[2451] Like, like, I'm in the middle of a fight.

[2452] I just wasn't.

[2453] What kind of shit?

[2454] I just wasn't present.

[2455] Like, I wasn't even, like, where, like, I just wasn't thinking about the fight.

[2456] Like, I just didn't want to be there.

[2457] That's so weird.

[2458] And I didn't, and I never felt like that before.

[2459] So now I started working with this guy, Brian Kane.

[2460] He worked with GSP.

[2461] After a GSP lost to, um...

[2462] Matt Serra.

[2463] First fight.

[2464] He started working with him and then I started working with Brian.

[2465] And it's just all about just being super present, like not even just in fighting, but just in life.

[2466] Like not worrying about what I got to do later or stupid shit like that.

[2467] Just being in that moment and just focusing it on that because that's all you can control.

[2468] I was so caught up and thinking about the future or what like happened the day before.

[2469] Like if I had a bad day of training, like I let it bother me. And it just came out of the fight, but...

[2470] I just wasn't in the moment.

[2471] And that's like now, like I just try to be in the moment, everything I'm doing, just super present, not thinking too far ahead, not thinking about the past.

[2472] And that's something I used to get caught up in a lot, just not being focused on.

[2473] And I was just so worried about my next session or my next this or like thinking about my fight, like things I can't control.

[2474] Like I can't control that far, but all I can control is what I'm doing in this moment.

[2475] So what is it that you do?

[2476] So, like, we just have, like, just, like, drills.

[2477] Like, say if, um, if I'm sparring and if, like, something's not going my way, just, like, little, like, signals just to, like, bring myself back into what I'm doing it.

[2478] Like, if, if a round doesn't go my way, like, not getting too caught up on that and just, and just knowing, like, I have another round and I can just get back into that.

[2479] And just having these, like, signal lights.

[2480] Like, yeah, it's called, like, red, green, red, Red, yellow, green.

[2481] So green, all systems go, you're having the best training session of your life.

[2482] Yellow, you're starting to get in your head in a little bit.

[2483] It's not working out.

[2484] Like, you're not getting off your shots.

[2485] Not getting off your takedowns.

[2486] Red is like, you're getting pieced up.

[2487] Like, your mind's going other places.

[2488] Like, you don't want to fucking be there anymore.

[2489] And when you get in the red, you have to have, like, like, he works with baseball players.

[2490] Say, like, you hit a, like, you're about to get struck out.

[2491] You got the batter will step out of the box.

[2492] They'll take off their gloves and they'll, like, They'll, like, do, like, they're, like, tap their shoulder or something.

[2493] And it's just, like, a reset.

[2494] And that's exactly, that's exactly what it is.

[2495] So, like, if I'm having, like, a bad session, like, obviously, I'm not going to fucking, like, tap my head or something like that.

[2496] But just, like, talking to myself and just, just, just, just, like, talking to myself and just, just, um, we have, like, uh, Our affirmations for my last fight were I control what I can control.

[2497] I control what I can control.

[2498] I trust my training.

[2499] I'm aggressive and always moving forward.

[2500] And then we'd have a funny one to make it not that serious.

[2501] It was, I'm confident, I'm cocky, I'm motherfucking rocky.

[2502] And it would just make you laugh.

[2503] And before my fight with Kelvin, I'm fucking in the bathroom and I'm saying these affirmations.

[2504] And then I'll laugh because it's like, it's not that serious, but like small little things like that just to just bring it back and just be present.

[2505] And I think that and then I started that I started working with another guy through my management company.

[2506] His name's Brandon Epstein.

[2507] And we would do like visual like visualize like the fights.

[2508] So every week we'd meet on the call and We go from visualizing being in the locker room, well, even before that, the first like the nervous, like the most nervous I would get before a fight is like that shower at like 12 o 'clock fight day.

[2509] Like you get a shower and you know the car's coming to pick you up in like two hours.

[2510] So we'd like close our eyes and we'd start in the shower.

[2511] I'd shower, it could change.

[2512] Car would pick you up.

[2513] We're walking to the locker room.

[2514] We're in the locker room.

[2515] We're hitting pads.

[2516] We're warming up.

[2517] Getting your hands wrapped.

[2518] Making that walk and then like for five, 10, 50, however long, I'd be just eyes closed, visualizing how I want the fight to go.

[2519] Bad situations, good situations, and then eventually winning the fight and visualizing talking to you or talking to DC.

[2520] And I would do these mental reps over and over and over again.

[2521] But sitting in the sauna, I would do it.

[2522] Sitting in the cold tub, I would do it.

[2523] I would have my affirmation so timed up if I was going in the cold for three minutes.

[2524] I knew how many times I would have to say them.

[2525] And then my three minutes would be up.

[2526] And that's all in training camp.

[2527] And I'll just do that shit over and over and over again.

[2528] and and that was something you'd never done before never done before because um you never like i would never think about it and then before you know it you get there and you're like fuck like this and it feels brand new to you again because you only fight a couple of times a year if you're lucky but instead i've seen these things a million times in my mind already like yeah physically i wasn't there but mentally like I'm already in this locker room.

[2529] I've already walked in the cage.

[2530] I already made the walk.

[2531] Like they would make custom music for me that I would listen with my walkout music, Kelvin's walkout music, crowd noise.

[2532] And I would listen to it before sparring and when I'm shadowboxing and shit like that.

[2533] And I just like felt so prepared doing it.

[2534] And I just never did anything like that before.

[2535] And yeah, it's a fucking game changer.

[2536] That's interesting because they do say that visualization actually helps skill learning.

[2537] Yeah.

[2538] As much as training.

[2539] Yeah.

[2540] Like if you are training but then also visualizing things and spending as much time, your training, your improvements will be compounded.

[2541] Oh, 100%.

[2542] And like I'm blanking on a million other things we do.

[2543] But like that's like the big ones.

[2544] Like just visualizing what you want to do.

[2545] And not just the good, the bad too.

[2546] Like so I would think about like if I. Getting ready for Kelvin.

[2547] Everyone is like, I'm going to get knocked out.

[2548] I'm going to get this.

[2549] I'm going to get that.

[2550] So I would visualize getting fucking dropped and having to get back in or getting rocked or going for a takedown getting stuffed and having to recover from that and go and win the fight because they're not going to, you're not going to, it's not always going to go your way.

[2551] Right.

[2552] visualizing the bad, but still making it out with the good, which I didn't do with Balal.

[2553] Like, he rocked me in that moment, and I was still there.

[2554] Instead of just making that switch and be like, you're good, like, go back, and just getting back to the fight, I just never could get back.

[2555] Is that partially attributable just also to getting hit?

[2556] Like, because sometimes when guys get hit, they're out of it.

[2557] Like, you've seen many guys that go back at the fourth round, and they don't know what round it is.

[2558] No, because...

[2559] I was, I remember everything.

[2560] I remember, I wasn't, like, I was definitely, definitely buzzed me, but I remember just putting my hands up and I just couldn't throw them on my, like, punch.

[2561] And I heard the 10 second clap go off.

[2562] I thought I was going to get saved by the bell, and I was going to make it to the next round, and I never did.

[2563] Well, it's an interesting stoppage because it was, it was one of the rare UFC stoppages with the guy standing up.

[2564] Yeah.

[2565] It's very rare.

[2566] Yeah, I never, and that's what I'm saying.

[2567] Like, I didn't get dropped and I remember everything.

[2568] I remember hearing the clapper, my coaches were right behind me. I could hear my coach John screaming, he's good, he's good, he's good, and he stopped it, which good on him, but I, like, I just couldn't, I couldn't do what I wanted to do.

[2569] It was the weirdest feeling.

[2570] Yeah.

[2571] When a fight gets stopped and when it doesn't get stopped.

[2572] And the thing that sucks the most is when a fight is stopped too late.

[2573] Yeah.

[2574] You mean like...

[2575] Yeah, for sure.

[2576] You know, the Jalen Turner, Bobby Green fight?

[2577] Jesus Christ.

[2578] That was bad.

[2579] That was so bad.

[2580] You were a cage side for that, right?

[2581] Oh, my God.

[2582] I was like, stop the fight.

[2583] What is happening here?

[2584] I think it was like 20 something...

[2585] Oh.

[2586] Unanswered strikes or something like that.

[2587] That is so hard to watch.

[2588] Yeah, it was...

[2589] So unnecessary.

[2590] It was bad.

[2591] But yeah, back to like...

[2592] Like, the mental performance stuff.

[2593] Like, it was just really just all came down to just me just being focused for 15 minutes.

[2594] Because, like, we, you can be doing anything and just, you're fucking driving, but you're looking off.

[2595] Like, you're not, you're not in the moment, you know?

[2596] And that's something like, now I try to, like, I try to do in everything I do in my life.

[2597] If I'm walking my dog, I'll leave my phone at home and just try to be.

[2598] present doing the thing you're doing at the time, not wearing, there's so much noise and other shit.

[2599] And when I'm fighting, like the only thing I'm fucking thinking about is fighting.

[2600] And, well, just having the tools in terms of like having strategies and having a pathway that's already carved in your mind for all of these different scenarios has got to be beneficial.

[2601] It's way better than just winging it.

[2602] No, yeah, and that's the thing.

[2603] If you're just winging it, and, like, he, uh, they wanted me to even get to the arena and, like, go walk it before the fight.

[2604] I couldn't get in.

[2605] Like, he would have, they used to have GSP go in the day before the fight and, like, actually already be in the arena and feel that and already, like, see that.

[2606] I couldn't do that this fight, but if I get the chance, like, before I go and fight my next fight, I'm going to go fucking...

[2607] walk around that cage, feel the canvas, and just, yeah, because you only get to do it once.

[2608] So Kelvin was ranked, right?

[2609] Where was Kelvin at?

[2610] He was ranked at middleweight.

[2611] Oh, right.

[2612] Yeah.

[2613] So it walked away because it's debut.

[2614] I was number nine going into that fight.

[2615] I'm number seven now, because he was originally supposed to fight Chavcott.

[2616] Shavcott got hurt, and then they matched us up.

[2617] And I don't know what he's going to do if he's going to stay at 70, go back to 85, but I'm number 7 at 70 now.

[2618] So it's...

[2619] I don't think he has that over a heart of a time making it down.

[2620] No, I don't...

[2621] I just think he has to make some adjustments.

[2622] Yeah, for sure.

[2623] You know, I mean, when you go back to when Kelvin was in his prime...

[2624] I mean, just, I just really think 170 was always the weight for him.

[2625] I just think he needs to do it the right way.

[2626] Like, he needs to do it at the PI.

[2627] If you, if you look at the people he's beat, like, he's fought everyone.

[2628] Everybody.

[2629] And the guys he's lost to, they're all close fights.

[2630] How about the Adasanya fight?

[2631] very close i watched that fight so many times i'm like crazy he's fucking calvin's good he's fast his hands that one two that right left yeah fucking straight left i had so many guys like just getting ready for that fight because i watched all of these fights i watched what he did to all these guys when he knocked out bisman when he knocked he beat jacqueray like he's being all these guys he beat um Johnny Hendricks.

[2632] You go and look at his record.

[2633] You're like, holy shit, this guy fought all these guys.

[2634] And he has so much experience.

[2635] I think he had like five or six main events.

[2636] He fought Chris Wydenman, dropped him bad in the first round.

[2637] Wyman submitted them in the third round, but fucking got floored before that.

[2638] So you're thinking, like, this is at 185.

[2639] He's going to hit way harder at 170s.

[2640] So I trained my fucking ass off for that fight.

[2641] But yeah, once I got him to the ground, I'm like, This is where I'm going to win this fight.

[2642] Well, you are in that weight class one of the absolute elite grapplers.

[2643] And that was really established in that fight.

[2644] Yeah.

[2645] I mean, I was so impressed with your control, your ability.

[2646] I mean, he's a good grappler.

[2647] Yeah.

[2648] Yeah.

[2649] Yeah.

[2650] Yeah.

[2651] It's like the same thing.

[2652] It's just like having...

[2653] Like, I have a path I'm going to do on the ground.

[2654] And you turn this way, I have something for that.

[2655] You turn...

[2656] It's like a map in my mind.

[2657] Right.

[2658] It fucking...

[2659] Like, you might think you're getting out, but I'm just...

[2660] putting you in a direction I want to put you on.

[2661] And, yeah, I love like that, like, almost like that slow cook approach.

[2662] Like take you down, wear you out, second round, same thing.

[2663] And then, like, I submitted Jake Matthews in the third, Kelvin in the third.

[2664] Obviously, if I can get it in the first round.

[2665] But, yeah, when you wear on guys, like, there's nothing better than that feeling.

[2666] Like, because you can feel it.

[2667] Like, you can feel when you're on top of somebody.

[2668] And they're just slowly, slowly, like, their energy is just getting zapped.

[2669] Yeah, so have there been talks about when you're going to come back and who you might likely be facing?

[2670] So there's that Atlantic City card.

[2671] It's March 30th.

[2672] So it's still like 11, 12 weeks away.

[2673] Like, I just want to make sure my hand's good before I go back into anything.

[2674] So maybe April timeframe will be there, but...

[2675] I would like the Colby fight.

[2676] He's ranked five now.

[2677] He hasn't beaten anybody inside the top 15.

[2678] He has no ranked wins.

[2679] Mazadol doesn't fight anymore.

[2680] All the guys he's beat, like, they're not even in the UFC.

[2681] Right.

[2682] So, and then there's Wonderboy right ahead of me. I don't know what he's going to do.

[2683] I know, like, they don't want to put him with your grappler, you know?

[2684] Right.

[2685] So, and I get that.

[2686] But if it's going to be like that, I don't think you should be in the rankings either.

[2687] Like, if you're going to pick and choose, and he deserves to, he's done a lot in the sport, go have your fun fights, like Terrence Crawford, but put someone else in the division.

[2688] But yeah, there's a couple big fights.

[2689] Luke A's right behind me, so that could be a fight that they match, they could match us up.

[2690] Have they given you any indication of which way they might be going?

[2691] Not yet, not yet.

[2692] How does that work?

[2693] Like, do you just get a call one day?

[2694] They reach out to your manager.

[2695] I guess they, and then your manager calls you and they're like, hey, like, this is what they're thinking.

[2696] And then it's literally like that simple.

[2697] Like, you just go from there.

[2698] But if you have an injury or something like that, you kind of let them let them know what's going on.

[2699] So.

[2700] I just told them, like, give me a week or two to see kind of how my hand's feeling.

[2701] And because I'm going to try to do absolutely nothing and just let it rest.

[2702] And if it feels good, like, I would love to fight in AC.

[2703] Like, I fought an AC.

[2704] I won belts in AC.

[2705] Like, it was like my bat.

[2706] Fighting in Philly or fighting in AC?

[2707] Like, fucking we'd all go out and party afterwards when we were younger.

[2708] It was great.

[2709] But what was the drive?

[2710] Like 45 minutes?

[2711] Like an hour.

[2712] It's the easiest drive ever.

[2713] But being hungover, driving home, they're like, all right, it's only an hour.

[2714] It's not that bad.

[2715] We used to get fucking rowdy.

[2716] And AC, when I was younger, it would be awesome to do that again.

[2717] But, yeah, I just want to make – but I just – I don't want to rush into it and start a training camp with my hand fucked up.

[2718] Yeah.

[2719] Especially because I'm in a good position now.

[2720] You know, I'm number seven.

[2721] I have had a big win, and – Yeah, I think I would like to Colby just because he like he's always gotten like not he's won his fights, but he's always kind of gotten like a easier path to the to the to the title.

[2722] So I think he should have to fight somebody younger than him ranked behind him and then if he deserves it he'll win that fight and then he can go back.

[2723] But if not.

[2724] Let the younger guys move up.

[2725] It's going to be interesting what happens with him now after that fight, because it's obvious that you can't give him another title shot.

[2726] No. Right?

[2727] So it's not like you can go right back in.

[2728] Yeah, three.

[2729] He absolutely could earn another title shot in the future with a bunch of wins.

[2730] Yeah.

[2731] It's still possible.

[2732] Yeah.

[2733] But, you know, what is that path?

[2734] Like, and who do they match him up with?

[2735] He was calling out, he went a Wonderboy.

[2736] I'm like, no. Like, you're like, come on.

[2737] Like, Come, let's, like, you're one of the best grapplers in the division.

[2738] I'm one of the best.

[2739] Like, let's fucking, me and you do it.

[2740] And let's see who wins.

[2741] You know, we're right next to each other in the rankings.

[2742] Like, that's what I want.

[2743] I'd love to see that fight.

[2744] Yeah, that's what I want.

[2745] Well, listen, Sean, you're a bad motherfucker.

[2746] Appreciate you.

[2747] Always love watching a fight.

[2748] Thank you, Joe.

[2749] Super high level.

[2750] I just, I love watching high level grappling.

[2751] Yeah.

[2752] Yeah.

[2753] It's, it's so awesome.

[2754] Looking up, I didn't even realize, I seen you, and I didn't realize fucking Gordor was right next to you.

[2755] I'm like, I was talking to Dana.

[2756] I'm like, there's Joe.

[2757] I'm like, there's Gordon.

[2758] I'm like, damn, this is, it was awesome, and fucking thank you for having me, man. Hey, my pleasure, brother.

[2759] It was cool being there, ringside.

[2760] Dude, I like watching fights so much better than combating.

[2761] If you can just get this hit there and watch, it's so fun.

[2762] And that fight was really fun.

[2763] It was really fun to be able to watch live up front.

[2764] So congratulations.

[2765] Thank you, Joe.

[2766] And good luck to you, brother.

[2767] Thank you, brother.

[2768] I appreciate it.

[2769] Tell everybody your Instagram and social media.

[2770] Sean Brady MMA on Instagram.

[2771] And yeah, that's it.

[2772] Okay.

[2773] All right.

[2774] Good luck.

[2775] Thank you, Jeff.

[2776] Thanks, everybody.