JRE MMA Show #123 with BJ Penn

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[3] Ladies and gentlemen, the future governor of Hawaii, BJ Penn. What's going on, Joel?

[4] What's happening, brother?

[5] Good to see you.

[6] Good to see you, man. You're dedicated to this, man. I need a shirt.

[7] You got it.

[8] I need one.

[9] We got them here.

[10] We wear a pen for governor.

[11] Thank you.

[12] If I wear in Hawaii, will I get mugged?

[13] Will they attack me and duct tape me and throw me in the back of a shirt?

[14] police fan they'll cheer you on and then you got to tell them are you guys registered you how is it going what is it first of all what made you decide it was the covid lockdowns right that made you decide you know what that's the you know people ask me they go would you be running for office if this pandemic didn't happen and i tell them all the same thing i say this is the straw that broke the camel's back i've always noticed the problems here with the economy how anti -business they are how we've all since i was in high school we've always been the last place our education you know so uh yeah when you see anti business like how are they anti business what as far as uh with the regulations it takes so long you know you go to the planning department and they hold you up for another eight months and it's just you know the taxes are so high we got the highest uh the highest state income tax what is the state income tax in hawaii um what is i don't think i don't got the exact number right now we'll get jimmy jimmy to pull it up yeah we talk about that often.

[15] Well, I think California is like 13 something, 13 plus percent.

[16] There's even talk there about raising it up.

[17] You know, it's, it's a shame that you feel that everything is that bad, that you, like, you feel called to do it.

[18] But I know you, and I know you wouldn't do this unless you really felt like there was a need for change.

[19] You're not a guy that, like, wants to be running the government you're a guy who just doesn't want to be fucked with and pushed around and when you see what you consider your people your friends your family your your neighbors getting their businesses fucked over and getting getting locked out of work and having regulations put in place to make difficult to make it difficult to start a business in the first place so what would you do different in terms of like what are they doing like you're saying like planning and regulations like what is that about is that about concerns for the environment because you're on an island like what is that i don't know why they're just so slow they're just so slow with that stuff do you think it's just inefficient or you think maybe they're overwhelmed like what do you think it is i think inefficient and and i think you know let's just take i see this happen a lot when they when they start regulating something i mean here we were doing mma in hawaii it got you remember how big mma got rumble on the rock son yeah i remember you put on your own promotion that was fantastic oh thank you come on man that was like in the early days of mmama rumble on the rock was classic that was something you had some fucking great fights we did we did we had tank habit we had everybody in there had great fights as far as like a lot of times unfortunately with like smaller promotions when they try to branch off away from the ufc they can't get top tier talent you know you get guys that are on the way out or you get guys that maybe couldn't compete with the best the best but rumble on the rock was this shit dude it was how many did you do you do two no we had a bunch of rumble on the rocks actually we must have did i think we had five or six of them but you know what happened elite xc came in bought everybody up except for king of the cage they didn't sell and then they went down and they crashed everybody's car it was almost like it was a not a like i could like i could be like let's send these guys in to buy everybody and crash everybody but well i think bj it just people saw money in it you know because i remember those days I remember, like, people asking me questions.

[20] There's a lot of people asking questions.

[21] How come it's only the UFC?

[22] Like, why aren't there other organizations?

[23] Everybody thought it was easy.

[24] And then Elite X -C came along and that Kimbo -Slice and, you know, they had some fun fights, right?

[25] They did have some fun fights.

[26] I really enjoyed that time.

[27] But anyway, a guy shows up and he says, hey, BJ, I'm here from the state.

[28] We're here to regulate you guys.

[29] And I'm thinking, after we got our faces smashed in for the last 20 years, Now you show up Now it looks like there's a little money here Now you guys show up And then they just tanked the whole thing Try to do all these You couldn't even give water To the amateur fighters Or you were paying them What?

[30] Yeah, that's just how strict they got Well, what's Ronald Reagan's best line Me and Lorenzo talked about it Ronald Reagan's best line The nine most The nine most terrifying words In the English language I'm from the government And I'm here to help So how do they stop you from giving water to amateur fighters explain that right they just walk in and they just said you guys you guys can't have this you guys can't be giving these are amateurs you guys can't give them anything you can't even give them bottles of water you could even have that in the back that's how strict i think they just go so they have to bring their own water you know do the fighters have to carry in their own water personally i mean it was just these were just examples of how and and and you saw that remember how big the super brawl was remember how big egan was fighting huge Jason Miller, Falunico, Robbie Lawler, Trigg, everybody.

[31] Wasn't that where Vitor got his debut as well?

[32] That too, right?

[33] Against John Hess.

[34] And Hess was pretty tough, actually.

[35] Yeah, he had like his own system, right?

[36] Like SAFTA.

[37] Yeah, yeah.

[38] Yeah.

[39] The early days, VJ.

[40] The early days.

[41] Yep, the early days.

[42] We know about me and you, we know about, right?

[43] We know some history.

[44] You can't get far in martial arts or I say many things if you don't know the history of the whole thing.

[45] No, but it's really been like an honor to be there early.

[46] And to get to see it and see where it is now for me as like a fan.

[47] It's like I'm like a little kid, man. Every week when the UFC's around, I'm like, oh, shit.

[48] It is.

[49] It's going down.

[50] I still love it.

[51] Yes, it is.

[52] Oh, my God, it's still the most exciting sport, you know.

[53] No doubt.

[54] When, are you done?

[55] Are you done fighting 100 %?

[56] I'm done.

[57] You're done?

[58] I'm done 100%.

[59] And it was hard for me to get out after being in there for 20 years.

[60] I mean, that's your identity.

[61] Yeah.

[62] You know?

[63] And then I just kind of got into trying to be a father, you know, and I was doing that thing, try to be around more.

[64] And then all this stuff happened.

[65] And I find myself in here.

[66] But I do think all the blood, all the tears, all the sweat, all the, all the, all the ups and downs, all the good media, all the bad media, all of that was to prepare me for, you know, for this kind of, you know, I see like everything that they're going to throw in me, I can kind of see like, well, I kind of been through that.

[67] Yeah.

[68] Yeah, just the mental warfare, the mental warfare that a fighter has to go through.

[69] I mean, my God, there's nothing like it in all sports.

[70] And, you know, When I first got, decided to get into this, I was like, you know, I haven't, I was just retired, so I wasn't trying to keep my everything, you know, perfect in public and this, and I was just running around trying to, I was just a guy trying to come off of a 20 -year journey of being the baddest man on the planet.

[71] And then I, so it was tough.

[72] It was really tough to get over, you know, that I. identity.

[73] So as time when, you know, I was just living my life, some more ups and downs.

[74] I say, you know, sometimes I was judged fairly.

[75] Other times I wasn't, you know, and...

[76] Well, BJ, when you were on top, you were one of the baddest motherfuckers on earth.

[77] You really were.

[78] You were a guy who went all the way up to heavyweight to fight Leota Machita.

[79] I mean, it's, I remember that fight.

[80] I mean, you did some wild shit, dude, and you were strangling a lot of fucking people, man. And for Jiu Jitsu guys, like for all my Jiu Jitsu guys, you were the fucking man. Because you were a smaller guy who choked out Matt Hughes, you know, who was so fucking good at the time, man. And Matt Hughes was a tank.

[81] When you got his back and choked him, everybody's like, oh, shit.

[82] Jitza's back.

[83] People forgot.

[84] They forgot those times, B .J. And, you know, there was a run, like the Sean Shirk days, Diego Sanchez days.

[85] You were a scary motherfucker, dude.

[86] You were a scary motherfucker.

[87] You were tuned in.

[88] When you were tuned in, man, you were something fierce.

[89] I always tell people you have to judge a fighter by the heights they reached, not where they fell afterwards or the up -and -coming fights.

[90] You've got to judge him by the heights that they reached.

[91] You're like a guy like Olivera.

[92] He's a great example.

[93] He's had some losses.

[94] He's been knocked out.

[95] But you can't, you got to judge him by the height that he's at now.

[96] 100%.

[97] You've got to be accurate.

[98] And then maybe he can only sustain that for a few years.

[99] that like Fador could only sustain it for a few years at the tippity top of performance.

[100] Yes.

[101] But you've got to judge them from that.

[102] Yeah, it makes me sick when people judge them by their worst performances, you know?

[103] For you, your best performances were spectacular.

[104] You had some crushing performances.

[105] When you were training with Marinovich, and they got you in tip -top, Magoo shape, dude, you were terrifying when you had that crazy gas tank.

[106] Man, I loved it.

[107] You know, one of the Marinovich, wait, what's Maravich's?

[108] Marv?

[109] Yeah, well, Marr passed away.

[110] Yeah.

[111] But Gary's at my house in Hawaii right now.

[112] He's training some football teams or something, and he has to come down, and it's great to have.

[113] How did that connection happen?

[114] Because they basically changed the way you did strength and conditioning, right?

[115] Yes.

[116] How did that, how did this introduction happen?

[117] They, uh, yeah, how did it?

[118] My brother meant, how did I run in?

[119] to them.

[120] I forget how exactly, but I think my brother introduced me to them, and when they were just geniuses, man, no matter how good you are, they were 50 years ahead.

[121] I remember we were at UCLA or something, and they had a little cone pattern, and they had me run it to see my agility, and Marve said, well, that's too slow.

[122] And the lady said, well, how do you know?

[123] And he said, because I made it up.

[124] These guys were just ahead of everybody, and they were the guys with the NFL combine and everything was speed because he noticed that like the strongest guys who had the strongest squad the biggest bench press and all that they had the lowest numbers on the field and then that's how we started to put in the agility the speed the movement the the reflexes and going back so they were they were really ahead of their time yeah it was wild to watch man they looked like they were torturing you it was you know what looking back now i see everybody and I look at them all all who eats the most at the buffet the hungriest one and that's the whole thing no matter what I'll look and I'll just be like is he still hungry that's the only question I or does he yeah does he still want to eat as much because literally a lot of these guys they haven't ate filet mignon before they haven't ate lobster and they're still thinking about what that's going to taste like when they get when they finally get the opportunity to buy that for their family yeah there's like a balance right of how long you can maintain that hunger yeah How long could you maintain that ferocity?

[125] Yep.

[126] It has nothing to do with who's the best.

[127] It's who wants it the most.

[128] That's what it is.

[129] And that's what I thought about, I mean, I kind of knew that about martial arts.

[130] I mean, you go in there and you be, right, as quick and as violent and as intimidating as possible when you get in there.

[131] But believe me, I believe, just like me, even at my best, I'm like, what can I get, what can I do to make the referee stop this?

[132] How can I make the referee stop this thing?

[133] Because you're nervous, right?

[134] The hero and the coward, they're both scared.

[135] But the hero's going to step forward.

[136] Yeah, you were a wild motherfucker in your prime, brother.

[137] You were a wild motherfucker.

[138] You were fun to watch.

[139] The Dean Thomas fight, there was a lot of fights that were like, holy shit.

[140] Nothing else mattered to me in my life at that time than being the toughest and most skilled martial artist on the planet.

[141] And just fighter, I didn't consider myself a martial artist.

[142] I just thought of myself as a fighter.

[143] I'll beat you up.

[144] You were certainly doing that, man. And so when did you, did you continue that kind of strength and conditioning routine?

[145] Or did you stop doing it after a while?

[146] People start to fall apart in different ideas and coaches start to fight with each other.

[147] And, you know, and that's what happened with that stuff.

[148] Marv kind of went his own way.

[149] Because as you get six weeks out from the fight, your boxing coach is screaming, he's got a spar, he's got a spar.

[150] And then the other guy is like, no, this is enough.

[151] And then they start going and then it has a reaction on you.

[152] Let's explain it to everybody because this is the philosophy, the two different philosophies.

[153] The Morinovich has believed that you already know how to fight.

[154] All you need to do is just get in ridiculous condition.

[155] And so they were just going to put you through that.

[156] And what did you do like light drills other than that?

[157] like hitting pads, like what kind of stuff did you do?

[158] But no sparring, right?

[159] But maybe not even pads.

[160] Just different things, speed, a lot of good stuff.

[161] We do ladders.

[162] We would do that water workout stuff.

[163] And they thought that that was more important than anything.

[164] Yes, and it was very important.

[165] I will never say that it wasn't, you know?

[166] And then on the other side, it's the same.

[167] People say, do you coach, you train?

[168] I say no, but if I did, I'll tell you what I would do.

[169] I would show up to the gym.

[170] I'd tell another coach that had his fighter, and I would say, Hey, coach, can my boy get a couple rounds with your boy tomorrow?

[171] And then I'd look at my guy and go, kick his ass tomorrow.

[172] And then I'd leave him and make him go home and think about it all night.

[173] Because the physical act of fighting, that ain't a fight.

[174] It's going home and thinking about it all night long.

[175] Anybody can get into a fight real quick in school.

[176] But when they say, meet me at the park after and the whole school shows up, now that's the fight, you know?

[177] Or I'll meet you in four months.

[178] you know like for a UFC card isn't that amazing that's when it gets wild right when you plan in these fights months out and everybody gets to know that it's coming yes but that that's it sleeping with that that is that's what it's all about sleeping with it controlling it internalizing it that was one of the things that seems to weigh heavy on Aldo when he was meeting up with Connor like particularly for the first fight for the first fight that Connor fought for the title when he knocked him out quick, it seemed like Aldo was emotionally invested in that fight because Connor had talked so much shit for so long.

[179] They'd promoted that thing for months and months.

[180] And Connor was just disrespectful.

[181] Grabbed his belt.

[182] Nobody was ever like that with Aldo.

[183] Everybody always was respectful of him.

[184] He was dangerous.

[185] Yep.

[186] I mean, Aldo in his prime, again, in his prime, he was a bad motherfucker.

[187] Yep.

[188] That Chad Mendez knockout in Brazil.

[189] Yes.

[190] I mean, think of some of the Aldo's amazing.

[191] The Uriot Faber fight.

[192] Dude, Aldo and his prime was a fucking wizard.

[193] Right?

[194] Yeah.

[195] And it's amazing that he has the hunger he has today.

[196] Still fighting.

[197] Well, he looks really good right now at 135.

[198] He looks really good.

[199] Yes, he does.

[200] Yes, he does.

[201] Proud of that guy.

[202] Yeah, he doesn't look like he's lost anything in getting down to that weight.

[203] It's just like he's doing it the right way.

[204] The fucking scientist.

[205] Andre Petanaris.

[206] now those weight cutting scientists they're amazing no those those guys are they got it down to like every gram of salt you're going to take into your body and how much water and like right um what is it three is it three uh a calorie of a carbohydrate holds they know exactly how much water each carbohydrate holds in your body when you hear those guys talk about weight cutting and they start breaking out notepads and writing down your exact body weight and how much you can take off like well that's you know you see all of that that's when when they asked me about what what what can what do you what did you learn from mma that you can bring into to this governor thing to this to this work and that's what i always say because i don't know all the answers that i'll be asked but i got a team of people who do and that was mma right we got our jiu jitsu guy we got our boxing coach we got our kickboxing coach we got our strength and conditioning coach we got our our nutritionist we got our you know and that's that's what it's about surrounding yourself with the best team i mean you asked me hey when did you win that belt and i'll say oh we won the belt on this day because it really is it's always a team and even you sitting here with the martial arts right when you think about it you think about your sensei and the people who've helped you you know get build your martial arts game and sure it's a team yeah you can't do it by yourself it's impossible Nope.

[207] I mean, you do get into arguments and you do say, hey, when the bell rings, everybody else is going to sit out.

[208] I'm going to stand up.

[209] But, you know, you do.

[210] Because the team argues, you know?

[211] Right.

[212] Everybody gets into it.

[213] But you have to have someone teaching you.

[214] There's no way you can learn.

[215] I mean, even if you're learning off videotapes, someone teaches you.

[216] Yeah.

[217] Everything I know I've been taught.

[218] Yeah.

[219] You know, I'm not going to say I made up anything, but maybe somebody didn't.

[220] and show me some stuff, but it's already been done.

[221] But you added your own flavor to a lot of shit, and one of the things that you did early on that captured a lot of people was your dexterity of your legs.

[222] They were like, oh, that's a big advantage because you have crazy, flexible legs, and your leg dexterity, your ability to move your legs is pretty extraordinary.

[223] And when you would trap guys in your legs, you could see that to them, like, this is a new experience.

[224] Mm -hmm.

[225] You know?

[226] I never knew about that until I did jiu -jitsu, you know?

[227] You know, I never knew I was flexible, never knew I was strong.

[228] I was kind of just a skinnier kid is why.

[229] And so that's why I always say, they say, so what do you have to be?

[230] A strong or flexible?

[231] And I say, you need both.

[232] Because you can't have your leg on your face and you just have the guy push it out.

[233] You got to be able to lift him off there.

[234] Right.

[235] You know, I always say that you need to be strong and you need to be flexible.

[236] You know, one or the other, you're okay.

[237] But when you got them both, you're dangerous.

[238] When you would do a lot of wild band stretches too, right?

[239] You did stretches with like resistance bands.

[240] I'd always stretch.

[241] I mean, there's probably some old videos where I could throw my leg behind my head.

[242] Yeah, without your hand, right?

[243] And I do both of them.

[244] I mean, wasn't it really cool a thing to show people that you could do that.

[245] But I could do it.

[246] It's cool for Jitsu people.

[247] Yeah, yeah.

[248] Jiu Jitsu people with the people that would be impressed by this.

[249] Like, look at this.

[250] Here it is.

[251] Watch this.

[252] This is insane.

[253] He just throws his leg behind his head Without using his hands That's crazy People don't understand how hard that is to do That's so hard to do That's insanely hard to do That's funny But your guard because of that Was so dangerous Because you could do shit And you could sweep people in ways That like they didn't understand How you're using your leg so well Yeah I, you know what I would always Like tell people Like why?

[254] Because I've been in those positions We're like Are you gonna let him pass Or are you gonna do or something about it.

[255] You know what I mean?

[256] And that's what it, right?

[257] You're right there.

[258] You're in the open division and the guy's almost ready to pass your guard in the final and you're up by two points and are you going to do something?

[259] That's kind of like how when I was fighting Matt Hughes, I'd never wrestled.

[260] I mean, I wrestled a little bit in junior college, but nothing like Matt Hughes.

[261] You know, we were jiu -jitsu guys.

[262] We always have that in our, it's hard for us to become wrestlers, you know?

[263] But everybody's like, how do you get so good at wrestling?

[264] How'd you stop Matthews from taking you down?

[265] And I just said, I just decided one day.

[266] I'm not going to let him take me down.

[267] I just decided.

[268] We're going to go out there.

[269] And that's what it is.

[270] And if I fall down real quick, I'm going to get back up.

[271] You know, and it's just a decision.

[272] Well, you always have bizarre balance.

[273] There's a video of someone trying to take you down with a single, and you're hopping around the ring with one leg, and they just can't fucking take you down.

[274] But it might be training footage.

[275] It might be inside a kid.

[276] I think it's with Kenny Johnson because I was looking at that gift the other day and so he was trying to grab my back leg and I'm...

[277] It's crazy.

[278] That's crazy agility.

[279] Man. Your balance and your agility in your prime was fucking fantastic.

[280] It was very unusual.

[281] That was getting ready for the Shirk fight.

[282] Yeah.

[283] He never really went for any takedowns, but I think he would have had a hard time.

[284] The Shirk fight, was that before Marinovich?

[285] Yes, that was before Marinov.

[286] That was just me and Jason Perillo and my old coach, Rudy, Valentino I don't know if you remember him he had the mustache he'd walk out with me a lot what were you doing for strength and conditioning back then doing body some body I guess just lifting like bodybuilder stuff oh really yeah just lifting bodybuilder stuff and training a lot though so it was just mostly just martial arts yeah and I was training with Matt linlin a lot I was with teen quest a lot we were kind of going back and forth because that was a destructive performance too and Sean Shirk like people forget that guy was a beast back he was a beast He was a fucking tank Holy shit He was I hope that guy's doing great now Me too I haven't talked to him forever That guy was built like a superhero He was Crazy cardio too Remember those bananas workouts That he used to do?

[287] Yeah he's the one who kind of made up A lot of them Like right And before him Rich Franklin Rich Franklin did a lot of crazy shit Wow So that's kind of I could see that That kind of go in that direction I could see, you know what?

[288] They built, today's workouts are kind of built around what they do.

[289] Yeah.

[290] I remember CrossFit kind of came out, and then they did that fight gone bad for me. That was amazing that I was there when the CrossFit started.

[291] Just so happened up in Santa Cruz, you know, and they were living out of their garage, and they put it together, and him and his wife did so well.

[292] They did so well that they're not together, and they're still good friends.

[293] That's how well they did.

[294] but all that functional fitness stuff came about and that's when Steve Maxwell was doing a lot of training he was training Diego at the time yep all this is what everybody does today Sean Shirk workouts yeah this was yeah back in the day Sean Shirk was doing like all this crazy like rope work shit and pliometrics and all kinds of like wild strength and conditioning and he was known for having this spectacular gas tank who was that guy with him that guy must be one of the guys who figured this stuff out.

[295] Yeah.

[296] I mean, they had it all broke down.

[297] And, you know, and now, like, basically every camp has something like this.

[298] They just had a thing on Gilbert before he fought Hamzot, and he was doing a very similar type of, you know, you do one station here on a bike.

[299] One station here, you're picking up and slamming a heavy bag over and over again.

[300] And they're just going through station to station, just like this.

[301] I was wondering, I didn't get to watch the exact whole fight, but I heard Hamzot and Gilbert was a great.

[302] great fight and i was wondering i was waiting for hamzat to get in there with with uh one of the one of the greatest fighters and and i heard it was just amazing and hamzad did what he was supposed to do he stepped up and he fought and gilbert of course we know he's going to fight and he can knock you out too so the amazing thank both of those guys for for putting that on for us yeah it was fucking incredible and you know it's not a fight it's not a fight that a lot of guys were jumping to take but gilbert will fight anybody yep Gilbert will fight anybody.

[303] And that was a close fucking fight.

[304] I mean, that was a close fight.

[305] Gilbert had him fucking hurt.

[306] Really?

[307] He hit him with a big right hand.

[308] Okay, when was that?

[309] Because I didn't see the fight.

[310] Was that middle fight?

[311] I don't remember if that was the second or the third.

[312] But he heard him, huh?

[313] I think it was the second where he heard him.

[314] Yeah, he dropped him.

[315] Wow.

[316] And they were in a wild scramble.

[317] That dude's a dog.

[318] Hamzot is a dog.

[319] Right?

[320] I mean, he gets clipped, he's just on you.

[321] Even hurt, he dove on a double and took Gilbert down.

[322] I mean, he's an animal.

[323] Right?

[324] I mean, and to be that, not have that much experience in the big fights and to beat a guy like Gilbert, I mean, that's saying something.

[325] It's saying something.

[326] It was such a close fight, such a close fight.

[327] There's a lot of people that thought that Gilbert could have got the decision.

[328] It was that close.

[329] But it was an incredible performance.

[330] It was an honor to sit there and watch, I'm sure.

[331] For sure.

[332] It was wild.

[333] I mean, Gilbert's something.

[334] and I think he keeps getting better too I mean I think he's better than he was before he looked fantastic in that fight good for him good for him that's the truth though that guy's the truth that's an amazing division right now you got Hamzad you got Gilbert you got Kobe you got Mosvedo you got Usman you got all these guys yeah and damn there's this other Russian gentleman who's undefeated who's fighting soon he's fighting Neil Magny God, I cannot pronounce his name.

[335] Magny's a tough guy, too.

[336] Magni's a very tough guy.

[337] And you got Leon Edwards.

[338] Yeah.

[339] All right.

[340] I always fucked this guy's name -up because I've never called his fight.

[341] Or maybe I did call one of his fights.

[342] Shavkat Rakhmanov.

[343] Okay.

[344] I've been paying a lot of attention to his fights lately.

[345] Google some of his, if you can see some of his highlights.

[346] He's got like a karate style.

[347] Okay.

[348] I remember seeing this.

[349] Beautiful kicks, man. With the hat, the Kabib hat.

[350] You know, you think of a guy like that.

[351] You think of a wrestler.

[352] But this guy, although he is absolutely a good grappler, his kicks are fucking insane.

[353] And he can wrestle too, huh?

[354] He can wrestle too.

[355] But he's as a striker is where he really shines.

[356] He throws nasty kicks.

[357] Kicks to the body.

[358] Just a really good striker.

[359] Tough as fuck.

[360] And undefeated.

[361] But he's a guy that's like not getting a lot of hype for whatever reason.

[362] but I think he's someone to keep an eye on.

[363] It's the first time I've ever saw him, yeah.

[364] He's good.

[365] See, he's got submissions, no doubt.

[366] I mean, he's good at everything.

[367] I wish I had a better guillotine.

[368] How's your guillotine?

[369] You got a good guillotine?

[370] It's okay.

[371] Yeah, but this guy's very talented, very talented, and undefeated.

[372] And again, I think he said on his Instagram that he's fighting Neil Magny.

[373] Okay.

[374] Is that what it says?

[375] June 25th.

[376] So that's a big friend.

[377] fight.

[378] That's a big fight for me because I want to see.

[379] It's the same thing with Gilbert and Hamzat.

[380] I wanted to see that fight.

[381] I was like, okay, let's see what happens now.

[382] And this is one of those let's see what happens now because Neil Magni is the real fucking deal.

[383] That's a great fight.

[384] Neil Magny will test you.

[385] That guy's got cardio for dames.

[386] Right?

[387] Like who puts up a better pace than Neil Magnet?

[388] There's no breaks in a Neil Magnet fight.

[389] That's true.

[390] That dude has gas.

[391] That dude has gas.

[392] He doesn't fight anyone.

[393] He ain't afraid of nobody.

[394] Fight anyone.

[395] And he rarely gets hurt.

[396] He's so talented and long.

[397] He's so good at using that distance and that pace that he puts on people.

[398] He just stays on you, stays on you.

[399] Yep.

[400] He's nasty.

[401] So that's going to be a real good fight.

[402] Hey, we've been around some of the greatest athletes ever.

[403] For sure.

[404] Right?

[405] And tough guys too.

[406] And, you know, and just egos, attitudes, humbleness, we've seen, humility.

[407] We've seen a lot.

[408] We've seen the rise and fall of people too, right?

[409] That's the thing.

[410] We've seen the hunger and the, and when you get full, you just wait.

[411] Yeah.

[412] And then there's some guys who just like, for whatever reason, can sustain for a long time.

[413] Like Jim Miller.

[414] Yeah.

[415] Jim Miller going strong.

[416] Even Claygwita, even Clayton going strong.

[417] Right?

[418] Going strong.

[419] How is that possible?

[420] I mean, he got caught, but I mean, so what?

[421] That dude's nasty.

[422] Yeah.

[423] That dude he fought is nasty.

[424] Yeah.

[425] He just got caught.

[426] a submission but yeah how does he how does he keep that hunger because he just won his last fight by submission choked out of Brazilian jiu jizu black my one of my best buddies la leo santos dude he's been doing it forever uh -huh play gweather has been doing it forever but he still loves it yep what keeps those guys going some guys like randy like randy was going deep into his 40s right where is the what is the hunger for for clay you ask he just loves it well there's got to be some guys just love it he's just an animal you don't need hunger some guys don't need hunger to go to the buffet they just walk right in they just want to eat all the time yeah i don't know some guys can just love it and they can endure it's very interesting it's like and for a fighter one of the most difficult decisions i would imagine is uh knowing when to get out a i've i had the hardest time you know i had the hardest time you know i i have i had the hardest time you know i i have I saved my money.

[427] I did businesses, and I just had the hardest time walking away from that attention, from the attention of the toughest man in the world attention.

[428] Right.

[429] You know, it's not from the TV.

[430] It's, hey, I want to be the toughest.

[431] And when you are champion, and Matt Hughes told me about this, he said, you can't wait to get rid of that belt because you can't wait.

[432] But as soon as soon as it's gone, you're like, hey, where is it?

[433] Wait, wait, I'm the toughest guy in the world to get.

[434] Where is it?

[435] And you're looking, you know, and everybody's had to deal with it.

[436] I mean, you know, Matt, and.

[437] Anderson is another guy that I say, you've got to judge him by his prime.

[438] You got to judge him by those few years when he was a wizard.

[439] How many defenses was it?

[440] Right?

[441] How many defenses?

[442] And it was the way he was doing.

[443] doing it like the v tour one with the front kick to the face right and the and the forest one i'm in the back oh my god with all my adrenaline going we're trying to get ready to go fight florian and here comes he walks out and in one minute he starts well i felt like a minute uh anderson starts walking back he just knocked out forest griffin and he goes bj it's your turn let's go shaking my head this guy's crazy you remember when he knocked out james irvin he stepped up right yep what was it off the kick or something oh my god dude he was smashing people and irvin was a beast he was a beast yeah and that guy looked like a superhero remember how jack that guy was yeah Anderson in that that era would not be denied that Anderson that fought chris leban that was a yeah for those years Anderson was scary the rich franklin fights who's gonna be able to compete with I mean put it all together and stay right and he was just so clever on the feet he He set guys up.

[444] Yep.

[445] He lead you into kicks.

[446] He would set guys up.

[447] Yep.

[448] But it's like there was a period of, I don't know how many years it was and how many defenses.

[449] You'd have to like go over it with a fine tooth comb.

[450] But there was a period where you would look at his career.

[451] You go, I don't know who's better than that.

[452] Right?

[453] Right.

[454] I don't know who's better than that.

[455] The timing that he had, I remember when he...

[456] This fight right here is a perfect example.

[457] And Chris Levin was just a fucking savage.

[458] He's a peace, Chris Leibin.

[459] I mean, he's just trying.

[460] He's trying to just, but he's just totally out of his league in this fight.

[461] Yeah.

[462] And we had seen Anderson fight over in pride.

[463] So, and then really came into his own when he was fighting in England.

[464] Remember those, what was it, cage rage?

[465] Yes.

[466] Wasn't that Anderson's first fight?

[467] In the UFC?

[468] Yeah.

[469] But this was after he'd fought Lee Murray.

[470] This was after he'd fought a lot of guys over in England.

[471] He had some crazy good fights over England.

[472] Oh, that's right.

[473] He fought Lee Murray.

[474] Yeah, I forget what was his name Really came into his own What was his, Georgie, the one he I think he fought Bisping He, I remember one of his friends told me What was the guy?

[475] He was in the UFC, the Puerto Rican one George, which he fought Michael Bispy.

[476] Rivera, he was one of his guys was telling us That he fought Anderson in Cage Rage And he said he hit Anderson all his might in his face And it did nothing And that's when he knew he was done It's a video that it's a crazy video Anderson lets him punch him in the face This is it right here and then there was also like remember that Tony Frickland fight Where he practiced this crazy upward elbow and his and his trainers like stop doing that like why are you practicing that?

[477] You're not gonna do that And so he made his wife hold pillows and he practiced it at home because he couldn't do it in the gym Because the gym and it wouldn't let him so he starts practicing it's like I'm gonna knock him out with that and then And he went and just purposely set up that one technique.

[478] And Freaklin, he's the kind of guy that could kill somebody.

[479] I mean, these guys are animals.

[480] And he, like, practiced a technique on it.

[481] And this is it right here.

[482] This was where the Rivera fight.

[483] And Rivera was a powerful striker, too.

[484] Oh, yeah.

[485] That's why that was crazy that that did nothing to him.

[486] Because what?

[487] Rivera hit top 10, top five, right?

[488] He was there for a little bit.

[489] Yeah, he was for a little bit.

[490] Yeah, he was definitely top 10.

[491] I love seeing the old UFC guys around.

[492] Yeah.

[493] I love seeing them.

[494] Anderson was something special back then.

[495] Remember when he would grab the neck?

[496] Nobody could do it like him.

[497] And I think Anderson showed me this one where he kind of grabs around like this.

[498] So even if the guy's arm is in, if you grab like this, you'll just crush their arm.

[499] So he's not doing traditional like this with one hand on top of this?

[500] He probably knows them all just like us in Jiu -Jitsu, you know?

[501] But he did, he was showing me this.

[502] He said, DJ, look, this.

[503] And even with my arm in, he'll just pull you right in.

[504] Well, whatever he was doing, he was doing.

[505] because like when he got a hold of rich rich franklin was trapped like that that clinch his his plum was better than anybody's right rich could twice he beat him with the plum and rich was the best in the world yeah and and again rich were saying he was one of the first guys to ever be like in super good shape like he had a whole circuit that he would do too i forget who his coach was but he had a he was one of the first guys to the when the ufc videotaped his uh his workout sessions people like what the fuck is Rich doing?

[506] Rich told me he said it's he said Tim Sylvia doing this to him is nothing compared to Anderson doing it.

[507] That's what Rich was saying.

[508] Wow.

[509] That's incredible.

[510] Right?

[511] Yeah, you got to remember.

[512] People have to remember Anderson from those days.

[513] When you're looking at who's the goat, I don't think you really can say who's the greatest world.

[514] There's no such thing.

[515] There's no such thing.

[516] But when you look at the goats, you got a factor in Anderson when he was in his prime because Anderson when he was in his prime was just destroying people.

[517] Look, he wanted to walk away.

[518] You saw it.

[519] You see how he lives?

[520] That's what I was noticing, too.

[521] When Anderson grabs your neck, when you go to grab him around like this, then he'll just knee you in your rib and break your rib.

[522] Look at that.

[523] You're talking about one of the toughest guys ever lying on his back in pain right there, you know?

[524] And the way he did it was like just precision.

[525] I mean, it was every step of the way he was one step ahead.

[526] he just was striking him at will towards the end.

[527] Yep.

[528] He was a fantastic fighter in his prime.

[529] Even when, you know, even when he, he was so good that even when he did get hit that one time from Wyman and went out, I thought he was faking.

[530] That's crazy.

[531] I thought he was fake.

[532] That's how good Anderson was, you know?

[533] I thought he was faking.

[534] I think it's that thing, BJ, that you were talking about that Matt Hughes said.

[535] Because Matt Hughes said it when I was interviewing him after he lost the belt.

[536] He said, to be honest, it's a real.

[537] relief.

[538] He was really very brave of him to say that, right?

[539] As a guy who just lost the title.

[540] But to be honest, it feels like a relief.

[541] Like it was a lot of pressure.

[542] It was just being himself, he's saying, I'm just telling you the truth.

[543] This is hard to carry this crown.

[544] Get this away from you.

[545] And that it's like that ring on the Lord of the Rings.

[546] Where is my precious?

[547] And then we come back for it, right?

[548] That's exactly what the UFC belt is.

[549] It's that Lord of the Ring.

[550] It's the ring.

[551] I think that That's what the casual fans don't understand.

[552] That's one aspect of it that they probably don't factor in is the extreme amount of pressure it is to be a guy that everyone's gunning for.

[553] It's not the same as any other athletic pursuit because the guy's trying to hurt you.

[554] Yes.

[555] You're trying to hurt each other.

[556] It's not just I want to be a better baseball player than you.

[557] It's I want to be a better baseball player than you and I want to beat the fuck out of you.

[558] And so there's like a hundred guys.

[559] like that who want to beat the fuck out of you because you're the guy in in in in in tennis when you mess up it's 50 love when you mess up here it's it's it's your ass it's the most consequences which is why it's the most exciting for people to watch because everybody knows you know i'm going around now doing this new governor thing i talk to people and i ask every question and they go it's great to you for you to show your humility and and asking these questions and and letting us know that you you need our helping.

[560] And I always tell them the same.

[561] I say, hey, in the business I did the last 20 years, I can't fake anything.

[562] It'll cost me my health.

[563] If I go out there and fake like I know how to defend myself, I'm going to seriously get hurt.

[564] And I think that's just ingrained in us at this point.

[565] You know, if I don't know something, if you don't know something before you get in that ring, you better ask.

[566] Yeah, that's a really great aspect of martial arts.

[567] Like if you don't don't know what you're doing and you pretend you know what you're doing you get you get fucked up yep period yep 100 % and I and that's and I feel that when coming into this I I'll ask every question I tell people my ears look like this from listening that's why my ears look like listening to all this shit yeah if if you don't pay attention and you don't really look at what's real and what's not real in martial arts you can't you can't do it it's not possible no you will never be able to figure out how to put a submission together you're not going to do it let me act like i know how to defend kicks yeah i already got it i got it leave me alone imagine if you didn't want to listen to a tie coach of course you'd want to listen but we all we are all like a product of all the people who have ever trained with us who have ever trained us who've ever worked out with we're all the product of each other.

[568] That's why great gyms produce great fighters too.

[569] It's one of the you know, iron sharpens iron.

[570] That's the fact.

[571] Everybody's on, you know, you don't get that.

[572] It's always we, right?

[573] Yep.

[574] But it's you.

[575] Yes.

[576] But when that fucking door closes it's you.

[577] And that's where it gets crazy, BJ.

[578] Right?

[579] You know?

[580] That's where it gets crazy.

[581] Like in some of your bigger fights, I remember being there going, God damn, like just goosebumps and crackling and I'm ready for it to go down.

[582] Holy shit.

[583] You had some exciting ones, man. And me, when you're in that moment, you don't even realize because you're just there for that.

[584] Right.

[585] And then now, if you look at martial arts history, like if I was going to teach a course, like a college course in the evolution of martial arts, you're a chapter in that book, 100%.

[586] Because you were a guy that got really dangerous on the feet, but lethal on the ground too.

[587] So you were a great combination because you were strangling people.

[588] You were fucking people up with submissions, but you also super dangerous on your feet.

[589] I remember I was a Jiu -Jitsu world champion already?

[590] I might have been a brown belt maybe, and Javier Mendes was in San Jose.

[591] So I remember going there one day.

[592] I mean him just clicked right away.

[593] But he was like, hey, you want me to punch the Mitz?

[594] I'm like, okay, and I punched the Mitz a lot as a kid.

[595] I got into a lot of fights as a kid.

[596] And I started hitting the Mitz, and he goes, you can hit hard.

[597] You can knock somebody out, B, You could be a champion.

[598] And I thought he was just joking.

[599] I just thought he was just being nice.

[600] You know what I mean?

[601] I'm like, okay, thanks, thanks, Hav.

[602] And, you know, they were with me my first four or five fights, but that's kind of what got me in.

[603] Isn't it funny that sometimes someone has to tell you?

[604] Because you don't, say you're like, hey man, you got some wild shit.

[605] You could do some things.

[606] Right?

[607] And that makes them take the journey.

[608] And even Brian Johnston, he used to be with.

[609] Brian, Frank Shamrock, all of those guys, Bobby Southworth.

[610] They were all with Javier Mendez at the time.

[611] And I remember Brian Johnson telling me, BJ, you can be a UFC champion.

[612] And that's when I really believed in.

[613] That's when I really believed it.

[614] I was like, this guy was in the UFC.

[615] He knows, you know?

[616] Right.

[617] And that's when I kind of, you know, Brian, he's had a hard life sense.

[618] I think you know what was happening in Brian Johnston's life.

[619] Yeah, he got, did he get injured?

[620] Yeah, he got injured and he kind of left him with handicapped.

[621] kind of a stroke or something just a random something terrible happened so oh this was quite a few years back yeah is he is he he's still going i don't know what he can do i haven't seen him but but i love him and he's one of the guys who was a pioneer to believe in myself that's amazing that's it's sorry to hear about him um when you were when people were just starting to tell you that you could fight in the ufc what did you plan to do if you if you didn't do that?

[622] I wanted to just be a jujitsu guy, just have a jujitsu school and just teach seminars and say that, you know, I won the jujitsu championships years back.

[623] Well, now 20 years ago, I was, 50 years ago, I was the Jiu -Jitsu world champion.

[624] Just do seminars.

[625] That's kind of, I didn't know what I was going to do in my life, you know?

[626] I would see one of my older brothers who would just drink beer at the beach every day.

[627] And I really didn't know, what I was going to do.

[628] I'm so thankful and happy that my father ended up.

[629] Keenan Cornelius, his father, moved right across the road for me. He did a couple of jiu -jitsu lessons from Half Gracie.

[630] And we got, his name is Tom Callis.

[631] I really shouldn't say Keenan -Cornelius, his father, because Keenan came up way later, you know.

[632] But he introduced me to Jiu -Jitsu.

[633] He kept asking my father, hey, could you tell your boy come down and come to the rec center and roll around?

[634] And I was like, no, I'm already the toughest fighter in the world.

[635] Don't worry.

[636] Don't worry.

[637] Don't worry about that.

[638] And then my dad's like, BJ, just go once.

[639] He keeps asking me. And if you go out, tell him you don't like it.

[640] So I went down, I got choked out, and I got arm locked in.

[641] And I said, with this, I could be the man in Hilo.

[642] That's what I thought, you know.

[643] But it was the coolest thing.

[644] It's just a never -ending thing.

[645] I don't train as much as I should now, to tell you the truth.

[646] Now that I've been doing this journey going around the state, I don't train.

[647] to help you if you did i believe 100 % because you just take the time the extra time to train yeah you know you know what i i realized this this woman came up to me and she said bj thank you so much for this gym because we have the ufc jims in honolulu bjpenned ufc gyms and she and i go no thank you for being here and she says no you don't understand i'm 60 years old and for the first time in my life i gave away my antidepressant medicine and that's when it hit me i said that's that's what this is so i always say working the body heals the mind and even before my father passed away he'd get parking he'd had Parkinson's and he'd get uh he'd get depressed and stuff and start arguing with my mom i'd take him for a walk two blocks around around around the neighborhood we'd come back and he'd be right back in his routine yeah endorphins is god's antidepressant medicine it heals you that that's you know working the body heals the mind i'll always believe that i i am firmly with you i i think it can't be emphasized enough how valuable it is.

[648] When I take just a few days off, like if I hurt something, and I say, I'll just take a couple of days off, let everything recover, I always start getting sketchy.

[649] Like, I don't feel as good.

[650] And then I'll have one hard workout day, and then I'm like, I'm back.

[651] Yes.

[652] I can be normal again.

[653] Yes.

[654] You know, I think a lot of people never know what normal feels like.

[655] They never feel that.

[656] They never get to that point where their body is in shape and relaxed and healthy, and you just had a good workout.

[657] That feeling is nice.

[658] You just start, it's a nice feeling.

[659] You're, you're, your face is like that.

[660] And you're, and the fun thing about training is you're getting happy doing something that is a fun thing to do.

[661] So you try, you get really good at it, you work hard at it because it's also fun.

[662] It's not just hard work.

[663] Like, jiu -jitsu is fun.

[664] And you get to think and have fun and outsmart the other guys.

[665] Yes, yes.

[666] The best video game ever.

[667] Yeah, Eddie talks about it that way too.

[668] He said it's like a human video game.

[669] It's funny.

[670] like you're a guy who came up like when I was trying to explain to Eddie Eddie knew he was good but I don't think he totally knew how good he was and we always were giant fans of you and he was like man he goes like he was always like God BJ's a fucking prodigy's a prodigy I go dude you're pretty fucking good too I want you to understand like you do something special like your jujitsu is wild like you got to understand man like there's a lot of people that don't like the fact that you connect it all to weed but that's on them you just look at your jiu -jitsu itself it's something fucking special it is and then you know he kind of realized it eventually he's definitely realized it after he tapped hoiler right well it's just those little talks and those it's amazing the stuff that sticks with people yeah well eddy's just always been super creative like he finds like if you tell him you can't go that way he's like why not why can't I go that way maybe I can figure out a way to go that way that you never figured out And then he'll figure out a way that might actually be better than the way we were all doing it before.

[671] I was like, there's certain things that as Jiu -Jitsu develops new counterattacks and new defense, you've got to let them go with higher -level guys now.

[672] Well, he invents like these new paths and people are like, where the fuck is he going with this?

[673] And then all of a sudden you're going to twist it.

[674] And I remember watching this interview and this lady said, that's the problem with school.

[675] They tell you that there's only one right answer.

[676] There's thousands of right answers.

[677] You can solve it a thousand different ways.

[678] Yeah.

[679] There's a lot of different answers.

[680] And I believe that.

[681] Yeah.

[682] There's definitely is.

[683] There's all these different styles.

[684] Some guys' top -heavy style.

[685] Some guy's bottom style.

[686] You know, a lot of guard work.

[687] You can do it any way you want.

[688] Just try to do it.

[689] And it's amazing because now MMA is its own style.

[690] You know, and like you said, when I started like I got stand -up and I had jujitsu and then I tried to learn wrestling.

[691] So you can call that a mixed martial artist.

[692] But now today the guys are like, they'll go for your leg.

[693] They miss. They come with the elbow.

[694] I started noticing that when I started, ended up in the ring with the newer guys, and I was like, man, these guys are tried real hard.

[695] Yeah, there's a lot of spinning elbows now.

[696] Right?

[697] You know, I've seen a lot of spinning elbows these days.

[698] Yeah.

[699] Who would have ever thought?

[700] We would have just wrote that off as a Disneyland technique.

[701] Do you ever see Gaston Bolanos spinning elbows?

[702] I haven't seen it in Bellator no oh BJ it might be the greatest spinning elbow of all time really yeah because Gaston is a badass Muay Thai fighter oh wow okay and uh he's now been in fighting mima for a few years but his he's known for his elbows known for a spinning elbow I saw that pro chaka one where he did it to Reyes oh that's right that was being as high level as he was I did I saw the the gif on the internet yeah a little while ago and I was like that's pretty good that's that might be right up there with it right just because of the level of yeah dominic rea's is right so what's going on with john who's coming back soon i want to see him i want to see him in there see if you can find that i think you got to think of the europe prohaska fight yeah he's fighting dominic reyes who just had a great fight yeah here you go oh that's one see he's known for these spinning elbows so this is him doing it in um this was in a kickboxing fight he did it in bellator sorry it's all right so so this is but you get to see the like he's known for it in moitai and then he carries it watch this boom i mean for real one of the best spinning elbows of all time watch this again i mean that is filthy he did like a roll he did like a judo roll yeah just he was just out unconscious the moment it hit look at that i mean that is phenomenal what remember when we used to fight back in the day and we'd be like You got to get this guy to the ground as quick as possible.

[703] You remember?

[704] Yeah.

[705] But there's no saying that anymore.

[706] The fights just keep going up and down.

[707] And you take guys down and they triangle you.

[708] And you're like, this is incredible.

[709] You know, like, there's so many different guys are so talented now.

[710] It's like the talent pool has never been greater.

[711] There's so many talented guys.

[712] 100%.

[713] Don't you think we need more weight classes?

[714] I could say, well, I try to talk you into it.

[715] I'm like how to phrase that question.

[716] Okay, okay.

[717] If you're going to be governor, you can't let people be this sneaky.

[718] But what they tell me, they tell me, why aren't you running for mayor?

[719] Why aren't you running for governor?

[720] I said the same reason that a lightweight fought heavyweight.

[721] That's the same reason.

[722] Jump right to the top.

[723] Yeah.

[724] No, but just to do something.

[725] But as far as weight classes go, yeah, I mean, it'll be a change because, like, we say, we love the past.

[726] We love our golden era.

[727] But if you're sitting here saying we need more weight classes and you're there every show and every day.

[728] I think it'd be a pain in the ass for the UFC, but I think it'd be really good for the fighters.

[729] I think they need more options.

[730] I think every 10 pounds.

[731] 10 pounds is a lot.

[732] 10 pounds is a lot.

[733] It's still till today, I'm the only guy 55 and 70, just because that weight difference is so big.

[734] It's a crazy gap.

[735] Yeah, that's a crazy one.

[736] 85 and 205 is another crazy gap.

[737] It would be weird.

[738] I mean, will the, you think, because the champions get lost in everything going on anyway, would there be more, would it be like boxing where there's so many champions you don't No, because boxing has too many, but I think there's a comfortable medium.

[739] Every three -pound boxing.

[740] I think it's 10 pounds.

[741] That's what I'm thinking.

[742] Every 10 pounds for MMA.

[743] And just go 60 -70.

[744] Yeah, yeah.

[745] 50 -60 -70.

[746] Yeah, something like that or 55, 65, 75, 75.

[747] That might be easier to do since we already have 85 and 205.

[748] So then we just put in a 195.

[749] 65 -75.

[750] And then you have more champs.

[751] There's a lot of talented people.

[752] A lot of talented people out there.

[753] Maybe there's a lot of guys that have done.

[754] They didn't have to cut that extra five pounds, they would be way better because they wouldn't be depleted.

[755] That's the worst thing you could possibly do to your body before you're going to fight.

[756] That's toughest person you've ever fought in your whole life.

[757] It's so crazy.

[758] They starve ourselves to death and then let's go fight the guy.

[759] BJ, it's so illogical and it drives me crazy.

[760] And it's one of those things that I think we're stuck with for no good reason.

[761] It's a bad tradition.

[762] How did it start?

[763] How did the way in tradition start from boxing?

[764] Well, they know, they did it in boxing for sure.

[765] Guys cut weight in boxing, and unfortunately in boxing, they would cut weight and fight the day they weighed in.

[766] But they don't do it like us, right?

[767] Because remember when Mayweather fought McGregor?

[768] Mayweather was like on weight that day, and that was like his real weight.

[769] And McGregor was trying to cut 20 and put 20 back on.

[770] That's just because Mayweather didn't give a fuck.

[771] No. Mayweather just didn't give a fuck.

[772] And the wrestler mentality that we have in MMA, a lot of mentalities came from a lot of different sports.

[773] We have a certain part has a boxing mentality.

[774] Right.

[775] Certain has a wrestling mentality with a cut weight type of thing.

[776] Then you've got that jiu -jitsu mentality mixed in there.

[777] But was that a wrestling thing for us that's ingrained in us?

[778] Like, hey, if you're going to cut weight, make sure you weigh 20 pounds over the next day.

[779] Don't make that your real weight.

[780] I think that definitely was prominent in wrestling, but it was prominent in boxing too.

[781] You know, remember when it was not a part of they thought Dukku Kim when Boom Boom Mancini killed him in that fight?

[782] They think part of that might have had to do with cutting weight.

[783] for the day of the fight because they would weigh in that day and then walk in the ring with no water in their brains and who knows what they knew about electrolytes and shit back then imagine how thick the blood was I mean you take out the water you know how thick that blood is just like putting running through your heart well also they think that people who are dehydrated there's like reason to believe they would be easier to knock out they would be more susceptible to concussions they would have less fluid in their head.

[784] And if that's true, that's crazy that you're allowing people to do that 24 hours before a cage fight.

[785] Yep.

[786] That's crazy.

[787] That is crazy.

[788] Do you know how one FC does it?

[789] They supposedly have some sort of hydration test.

[790] Really?

[791] They've supposedly made people move up.

[792] You can't cut lower.

[793] They supposedly weigh your body and determine how much water you have and then always make you stay within that like water range of like, what a healthy weight is.

[794] I think I might be getting this wrong.

[795] But I think the point is they do hydration tests and you're not allowed to dehydrate yourself 24 hours.

[796] You can't like, some of these guys are caught in crazy weight.

[797] There's always going to be somebody that thinks like that.

[798] Like if I cut weight out, you know, and as you get older, I know for me personally, I wish I went up.

[799] I wish I didn't go do that whole 145 thing.

[800] It just emaciated me. It had nothing.

[801] Not only was I didn't have the hunger I had when I was.

[802] was a kid but I didn't you just emaciate yourself down to nothing and you see fighters like James Tony he goes the heavyweight and he wins a belt yes you know the I think I think it is as you get older I think it maybe it's a smarter thing to go up instead of down that's interesting I think it well I think the problem really is just the weight cutting itself I think if we could eliminate from that from the sport and make people fight at their natural weight as soon as they show up to the soon as you sign your contract your weight right there that day That's okay, this is where you fight.

[803] It's a bad culture because it doesn't make any sense.

[804] If there's really this many fighters, because there's a lot now, there's so many fighters, so many talented fighters.

[805] There's talented fighters that are introduced into the UFC all the time that I don't even know of.

[806] And then all of a sudden I see him like, God, damn, this guy's good.

[807] How long has he been fighting?

[808] There's so many of those guys now.

[809] Right.

[810] That I think there's plenty of room for other weight classes.

[811] I think there's plenty of room.

[812] And you know what, if you were more experienced in this sport than me at this point because you've sit there and watch it all and you've got to look at thousands of fighters in doing this.

[813] And I'm with you.

[814] I'm with you then.

[815] Yeah, 100%.

[816] It just seems like it would be more opportunity for champions, more opportunity for guys to fight healthy.

[817] And if we could get everybody to fight at a natural weight and eliminate weight cutting and have all these different weight classes so they have options to choose from.

[818] and then get yourself into a healthy weight that you're really sustainable at and that's the weight you fight at.

[819] Fuck all this.

[820] Yeah.

[821] Get down, lose 15 pounds in 10 hours and then put it back in with an IV.

[822] Get the fuck out of here.

[823] What are you doing?

[824] And the IVs are actually banned.

[825] And then they ban the IVs, which makes, well, they said that the reason why you have to ban IVs, I guess, is because IV...

[826] They can hide drugs or something.

[827] Yeah, right?

[828] You can flush it out of your system.

[829] Yeah.

[830] If you can dilute your urine to the point where it doesn't, it's not detected because you're just getting the IV back.

[831] That's what the bikers or whatever we're doing, right?

[832] They're so dirty those bikers.

[833] Bikers are the dirtiest.

[834] Watch the bikers.

[835] Isn't it crazy?

[836] That is the dirtiest sport.

[837] Right?

[838] It's something like they have little motors in their thing without you knowing.

[839] Isn't that crazy?

[840] They're amazing.

[841] Sneaking little motors in their bikes.

[842] What is that in?

[843] What's in humans to make us do that?

[844] We just want to win or do we like being tricky and not letting people know?

[845] which one what is it right i think we're lucky that we're not bikers that's what i think i think that that pursuit of just being the guy who peddles the hardest for the longest because that's what it is right right it's like everybody can ride a bike everybody can steer a bike it's not about like precision steering it's about who can fucking go harder for longer yeah so it's all just mind demons just pushing these guys right mind demons you're right and this guy's pumping and you're trying to to fucking go and you're getting blood transfusion and shooting you up with tests and you're fucking and you're doing it for days it's true days mind demons that's all in their mind right the game's all in the mind the whole thing it's all how hard do you pedal you back off if you want if you don't want that jacket you don't want to be a champion let's take a break right let's relax imagine how much times they mess with them and do all that stuff yeah that's how How you get a guy like Lance Armstrong.

[846] That's how you get a guy like that.

[847] That guy's the champion of the mind demons.

[848] He knows how to fucking ride it out and go harder and faster and longer.

[849] Harder.

[850] And just imagine that lactic acid in the legs and you're just going.

[851] It's such a dishonest conversation when that guy gets in trouble for it.

[852] Because, like, yes, he definitely, as least according to him, took some stuff.

[853] Still, everybody was taking some stuff.

[854] and he beat him all.

[855] He beat him all for years.

[856] They were all doing crazy shit.

[857] Did he come on and say that?

[858] They were all doing everybody was on it?

[859] BJ, they found that when they went back to try to find people with Lance that competed with him that never tested positive?

[860] It's impossible.

[861] They had to go back to 18th place.

[862] Well, that's...

[863] And that guy's probably just got that urine.

[864] He probably has that fucking bag of urine and, you know, and, you know, took a giant IV and flushed it out of a system.

[865] That is funny.

[866] I think there's just, there's a lot of money and winning a Tour de France.

[867] Yeah.

[868] And when there's a lot of money and you're dealing with some shady characters, they're going, listen, I got a guy.

[869] And in MMA, what I noticed, because, you know, I realize that people will admit that they cheated on their wife before they say that they didn't compete fair.

[870] Yeah.

[871] I know.

[872] You know, it's just, it is what it is.

[873] Well, in your era, to be fair, you were one of the only guys that was adamant about that.

[874] A lot of people just shut the fuck up.

[875] And still till today, I say, hey, wherever you want to, I'm the only guy, 155 and 170 that got both belts.

[876] But if you want to add this into the rankings, I really didn't, I really didn't do that stuff.

[877] You know what I mean?

[878] Yeah.

[879] So, I always say that till today.

[880] No, you really didn't.

[881] And then I remember, because I didn't even, Usada just came.

[882] and then we were going to take in a glutathione IV.

[883] I never take IVs anyway, you know, but I just took, I was like, okay, okay, I'll take it.

[884] And then I told Usada, oh, yeah, I took an IV, and then they busted me for it because I think they just wanted to show that they had teeth or whatever, but I'm really one of the only guys who didn't, you know what I mean?

[885] So just using any kind of an IV?

[886] Yeah.

[887] Why did you want glutathione?

[888] Yeah, no, we were just at a...

[889] Were you partying?

[890] At a place.

[891] No, no, we were at a...

[892] They were doing, what's that, where they take all your blood and they see what you're allergic to for the food.

[893] That's why we were there.

[894] And the guys just kept talking to me to it.

[895] I'm just like, okay, whatever.

[896] Go ahead.

[897] They kept talking to me to it.

[898] Shouldn't even have, of course you're not going to feel.

[899] So he just talks you into a glutathione drip or?

[900] You know how when you're in some place, right?

[901] They just.

[902] Glutothion, I think it's an antioxidant.

[903] But one of the things that I know it for is alcohol.

[904] It helps your body process alcohol better.

[905] Oh, really?

[906] Yeah.

[907] Oh, I didn't know that.

[908] Yeah.

[909] Yeah, there's a type of it that a lot of people take that are into this stuff, like doctors that know a lot about how to mitigate hangovers and shit.

[910] It's liposomal glutathione, I think is what it's called.

[911] Okay.

[912] Apparently glutathione in the IV form, the way you took it, though, is the best way.

[913] That's the best way to get it.

[914] Most people that do that on a regular basis say it helps them, like people who party.

[915] Okay.

[916] Helps your body process.

[917] But I was just surprised.

[918] I'm like, what, I'm the guy that we thought is tagging.

[919] You know, I really didn't even mess around ever, you know.

[920] They were very strict, but I guess it changed a lot of things.

[921] Now you don't even know who got busted, right?

[922] Don't they have to change?

[923] So they don't crash the paper views or whatever.

[924] Now they just, they just, oh, I don't know.

[925] I don't know.

[926] Because I haven't really heard any.

[927] What was the last time a fight got canceled because someone tested positive?

[928] That's a good question.

[929] That's a good question.

[930] Like, when was the last time like a big fight got canceled because someone tested positive?

[931] Right.

[932] that's interesting because whatever I mean the thing is like will we find out in five years that they were doing some shit and nobody knew about it you know?

[933] Yeah yeah because in your day in your era how many guys were doing steroids it was rampant like everybody knew it yeah and I think about that I wonder like should I have done something to keep my career going but it's just more of everything you would have been more training more getting beat up in the ring more yeah i'm just i'm just glad i'm i'm at peace with everything it's hard to walk away from a career but i really am at peace that's good man that's good because there's going to be other chapters in your life if you don't let it go now we wouldn't you let it go in your 60 let it go in your 70 right like evander holyfield just had a fight man that's what and again oh yeah he found vitore i mean i vandah hollyfield's almost 60 years old that's that's crazy yeah and mike tyson by tyson just yeah that the mike tyson roy jones junior fight though at least you know nobody got hurt yeah that was a good thing that was the key that was a good for thriller and for them to make more shows after i was thinking if they said that hey let's make sure not to crash this whole promotion in one we can't have a a 60 year old guy be carried out of here yeah he's christ right but he looked good though Mike looked good i think they were moving towards one day there was talk at least of a Mike versus Evander re -match.

[934] Yeah, but then the Belford thing slowed that down.

[935] But the Belfort's How old is Vitor?

[936] He's my age at least, right?

[937] He's 43.

[938] Is he?

[939] Yeah.

[940] That seems old when you compare him to a young, young guy but when you compare him to a dude who's almost 60.

[941] Yeah.

[942] And Vitor is still very fucking dangerous.

[943] And very fast.

[944] And that's what's amazing about Randy Couture.

[945] You know?

[946] You know, they're right.

[947] That's what's amazing about him.

[948] How about when Randy dropped Tim Sylvia, that inside a little kick and that overhead right?

[949] Oh, that was the greatest fight I've ever saw.

[950] We're like, what?

[951] That was like the greatest fight of ever saw for a guy to come back and get that belt.

[952] And Tim was so big.

[953] Right?

[954] Tim was a giant.

[955] Tim was a giant.

[956] Remember when he knocked out Rico?

[957] With his belt everywhere?

[958] Yeah.

[959] And he hit Rico good.

[960] Oh, my God.

[961] Yeah.

[962] That Tim Sylvia.

[963] See, again, you talk about a guy.

[964] when he's at his prime.

[965] At his prime.

[966] You got to remember him at a...

[967] Go Tim Sylvia versus Rico Rodriguez.

[968] Or Gamagie even.

[969] Yeah, Gamaggie's a good one too.

[970] He's tough.

[971] He was so jacked back then, too.

[972] Like, people thought of Tim Silvia, they always gave him a hard time for being flabby.

[973] Yeah.

[974] But, you know, there was times where the whatever commissions you were at.

[975] Would catch him.

[976] Yeah.

[977] I don't know if you ever get busted for anything, but there was a lot of people taking some stuff.

[978] Let's just say.

[979] They looked a lot different back then.

[980] But the thing is, like, the whole environment was that.

[981] Everybody was doing that.

[982] So I'm not saying that he did it, but I'm saying he looked like he did it.

[983] No, I think he got busted a couple of times, but...

[984] I think he might have.

[985] But my point is, it's like you've got to remember him from this fight.

[986] Because from this fight, he was...

[987] That's a pretty good arm bar.

[988] I don't remember that.

[989] Against Rico.

[990] Right?

[991] Yeah, and he pulls right out of it.

[992] You got to remember this Tim Sylvia.

[993] This Tim Sylvia was fucking dangerous He was a big boy with big power Look at that, look at that straight right Dude Look at that I mean he he fucked Rico up in this fight That was a crazy knockout And Rico was a dangerous man too Rico was good RICO called me the other day Oh shit I mean look at the right hand Too long ago Rico was He was Machado Machado Brazilian Jizzi Blackbell Yeah Rico was a bad motherfucker dude Telegman I remember Telegman Didn't Rico beat Randy?

[994] Rico, that's how he got his belt.

[995] Exactly.

[996] He might have even took him down towards the end, got on top him.

[997] How did that fight go down?

[998] Randy.

[999] I'm trying to remember how that fight.

[1000] How did I not remember that fight?

[1001] It was back and forth, and I think Rico finally took Randy down, got his legs.

[1002] And I remember Randy and Tito.

[1003] That was a great.

[1004] Tito's coming down.

[1005] He's going to help me with one of my fundraisers.

[1006] He's going to be one of the featured speakers.

[1007] All right.

[1008] Because he ran.

[1009] Make sure you put that online.

[1010] Yeah, yeah.

[1011] That's going to be fun.

[1012] Yeah, for sure.

[1013] That's beautiful.

[1014] Yeah, so he's all for it trying to help me out.

[1015] How are you doing this?

[1016] Do you have to raise money for your campaign?

[1017] Do you, do you?

[1018] A big part.

[1019] So just getting into it, you know, I, I, I knew, I knew, like, I wanted to help.

[1020] I wanted to come out and help, and I knew they went too far.

[1021] They tried to lock everybody down on their island, like you couldn't leave certain islands they were trying to do that on the airplanes and and i knew i'm not the i know my record's not perfect and clean you know what i mean and i'm like oh do i really want to get into all this stuff and i'm i'm just like i i got to do it i got to do it for my kids and i always say i don't want my kids to be older and say dad you fought in the octagon for 20 years but you didn't do nothing about this you didn't do nothing when they were closing our businesses when they're doing all this stuff and and that's kind of what what pushed me out and I'm just like I know they're gonna I like to say my strength is my strength they're gonna come and they're gonna keep mud slinging and just keep throwing stuff at me you know I hear they're they're doing it they've already tried a bunch of things I hear they're going to you know old girlfriends now and trying to get pictures or do whatever they can but you know that's not going to deter me from wanting to fight for the people.

[1022] It's not going to deter me from wanting to fight for my children and all of these things.

[1023] And that's how I got into this.

[1024] I know it'd be a lot cheaper and a lot less painful to just go do it some other way.

[1025] You know what I mean?

[1026] But here we are and I'm in it.

[1027] And it is nerve -wracking sometimes because this isn't my game.

[1028] I'm a fighter.

[1029] You know, but I'm a, but one thing I know is I know Hawaii, born and raised there, been there this whole time.

[1030] I've saw my friends, my cousins, my best friends move away because their parents just can't, just can't cut it on the islands.

[1031] You know, it's just too expensive.

[1032] And I see the different problems.

[1033] And I, you know, I want our people to stay in Hawaii and I want us to have jobs.

[1034] Hey, look, we're all in the center.

[1035] Let's just tell the truth.

[1036] We're all in the center.

[1037] You know, there's some crazy people on both sides.

[1038] You know, we're all in the center.

[1039] We just want good jobs, good businesses, and we want our kids taking care of, care of.

[1040] We want our kids to get a good education.

[1041] That's all we want.

[1042] Everything else is bullshit.

[1043] Everything else is bullshit.

[1044] We're all right here.

[1045] Most people.

[1046] The vast majority of people are good people that just want to be left alone, want to be able to prosper, want, you know, want good health care available, good education available, want their children to have a potential for a good future.

[1047] That's what everybody wants.

[1048] Yeah, you know, I'm not here to cut everybody's programs.

[1049] I'm not here to do anything psycho on any side.

[1050] And we just want to keep living our lives.

[1051] We want to keep our people here.

[1052] We want to grow up.

[1053] Let me ask you this, PJ.

[1054] So if this magically happened, how much time have you thought about the actual job itself?

[1055] And, like, what you would do if you got into office?

[1056] Like, what would be a thing that you would want to, like, really establish very quickly?

[1057] Well, the first thing they say, the Republicans and the Democrats, I'm an outsider.

[1058] I'm not part of either establishment, you know, they'll come up and they'll give me problems.

[1059] Are you running as an independent?

[1060] They don't have an independent party in Hawaii because no one's made one.

[1061] There's libertarian, there's Aloha Aina, there's these different parties.

[1062] And it was a tough decision to what I was going to run because the Democrat is just so strong.

[1063] 47 of the 51 House Representatives are Democrat 24 of the 25 state Senate members are Democrat our two state senators or two congressmen our lieutenant governor and our governor all you know it's a one party establishment right now and absolute power corrupts absolutely and I was thinking about running as a Democrat just with my same values of you know freedom economy and education but but here I am you know here I am I'm running for the Republican Party and you know hey it's going to be a wild ride this is fun this is fun hey they're going to they're coming after me they don't want to how did you decide to become a Republican rather than an independent or rather than one of those other parts yeah libertarian and all that that was too much I mean my mother was in the Republican Party and always helped out with them and did different things and and I mean right now as far as, you know, just everything going on, I mean, you know, it seems like the Republicans are trying to keep things to, I don't know, I think a lot of times, I think, was the 80s the height of civilization?

[1064] Everything seems so normal back then.

[1065] I really genuinely wonder what it would be like if, how much different, if at all, it would be like if a Republican was president or if a Democrat was president.

[1066] I really wonder, like, what causes things to, go so sideways like what influences are making government go one way or another like to put emphasis into one thing or another thing and to not recognize the complaint to the people to not recognize when when people don't like the direction that things are going yeah it's it's like it happens on both sides you know it happens republic like when george bush was president people were mad yeah you know people were always mad i i mean i i got into the because a buddy in mind that was a federal senator from Hawaii, he was pushing for that passport to step on the plane and going to kind of landlock everybody on their island.

[1067] And I told him, I said, what's going to happen if you pass this?

[1068] Why are you supporting this?

[1069] And he said, he goes, you're just going to have to listen.

[1070] And then that's when I said, oh, yeah, you're just going to have to listen because these guys forgot that they work for us.

[1071] You know, that's why they're there.

[1072] That was his actual answer to you?

[1073] Yeah, you're just going to have to listen.

[1074] And I'm just going to have to listen.

[1075] And so then, and I say this when I go around.

[1076] So my father's dying on December 30th in the hospital.

[1077] I'm not vaccinated so I can't walk in and see him.

[1078] And I'm just going to have to listen.

[1079] I'm trying to leave my business open so I can feed my children.

[1080] But I've got to close my businesses and I'm just going to have to listen.

[1081] And that's what finally made me stand up.

[1082] And I told my brother, I said, I said, act like King Kamehamea, maya, act like George Washington.

[1083] Act like somebody fighting for us.

[1084] And then my brother whispers in my ear.

[1085] he's never been in a fight in his life.

[1086] And I said, well, I'll just do this myself then.

[1087] That's exactly how it started.

[1088] And it's true, I don't want my kids seeing.

[1089] My kids or any other kids, yeah, Uncle BJ.

[1090] You know, you fought your whole life.

[1091] Why didn't you go fight these guys?

[1092] And so I'm here.

[1093] I'm here to...

[1094] Whenever a government grabs additional powers, whenever they start being able to impose additional restrictions on people because of like this health crisis, They don't give those back They don't want to give those back No They don't want to give those back And you know It's easy When fighting for individual rights When it's popular Is one thing But fighting for them When it's not popular Is a total different animal When your best friend's girlfriend Just sticking you the finger Over the table And you're like hey I don't like what you're saying But I'll fight for you to have the right to say it You know But that's just How did they start taking things?

[1095] I don't like smoking I hate cigarettes.

[1096] I hate being around them.

[1097] But they walk in and then they start taking the cigarettes from people and then they look and nobody said anything because it ain't popular to stand up and say, hey, let them, if a bar wants to put cigarettes in the bar, let them do it or whatever.

[1098] And that's how they just start stripping.

[1099] And even with TSA, God bless them for all the jobs that they create.

[1100] You know, but that's another thing.

[1101] That was a George Bush type thing that, you know, they put these things.

[1102] They don't give them back when they start to do stuff for us.

[1103] There used to be a time where you could just get on a plane.

[1104] Yeah, when you could just get, you know, there's a policeman there, and you just walk through that same family X -ray or whatever, and you put your bag through.

[1105] But now you've got to take off your shoes.

[1106] Now they've got to pat you down.

[1107] Now they do all this stuff.

[1108] You know, there was times when you just, you can walk into a courtroom where all the criminals are, much easier than you could get on, you know, get on a plane.

[1109] Yeah, you used to be able to get on a plane with other people's tickets.

[1110] Like, you could give me a ticket, and I could go on a plane with your plane.

[1111] ticket.

[1112] Yeah, exactly.

[1113] Remember those days?

[1114] Yeah, no, yeah, it was, it was.

[1115] I mean, yeah, the ability to keep track of people now.

[1116] That's what, that's what we don't like.

[1117] Well, yeah, they can corral people up and that's where it gets scary.

[1118] And some people are recognizing at from the pandemic and some people just get so political, they can't see that it's a human behavior pattern.

[1119] It's a human behavior pattern that folks that are in control or other people exercise.

[1120] They tell people what to do.

[1121] And then that's what they like to do.

[1122] They like to tell people what to do.

[1123] And they might be right about some of it.

[1124] They might be wrong, but they want you to just listen.

[1125] You're just going to have to listen.

[1126] Thank you.

[1127] That's what that's exactly.

[1128] You're just going to have to listen to this.

[1129] That's crazy.

[1130] And he said that to you, that's crazy.

[1131] That's how a crazy person talks.

[1132] They listen to us.

[1133] They work for us.

[1134] You're just going to have to listen is like a line in a bad movie.

[1135] Right.

[1136] You know, the jail guard.

[1137] Why am I in here?

[1138] You're just going to have to listen.

[1139] Like, what?

[1140] I can't believe this.

[1141] That's what it's like.

[1142] That's a stupid thing to say, but it's not uncommon amongst people that achieve a position of power like that.

[1143] There's a very intoxicating thing about a man in particular, but sometimes a lot of women, sometimes women, you know, they get into a position of like extreme power and they like to exercise it over folks.

[1144] They enjoy making mandates and placing rules on things and, you know, you have to have this far away from that and you have to, they'll decide what time liquor stores are allowed to be open or what time this is about the bar must close by 2 a .m., even if it's not near anything.

[1145] And that stuff is contagious.

[1146] I mean, you could tell your gym manager and workers, hey, don't police this.

[1147] This is wrong.

[1148] They just made a new definition for fully vaccinated.

[1149] Stop policing the passports.

[1150] Don't please the mask.

[1151] And then they'll keep saying, hey, they'll keep policing it because that's their political party.

[1152] And it's just contagious that way, all the way around.

[1153] You know how we know it doesn't work, Vegas.

[1154] Because in Vegas, you could just drink at five in the morning, three in the morning, one in the morning.

[1155] It doesn't matter.

[1156] You could always do whatever the fuck you want.

[1157] Nobody cares.

[1158] Nobody cares.

[1159] But eventually people settle into a healthy schedule.

[1160] You don't just stay up drinking just because the bars are always open, just like you don't go into them in the middle of the day either.

[1161] Exactly.

[1162] It's like you find, like, that doesn't need a regulation for that.

[1163] the less regulations the better you want to stay open sir you want to serve beer at five in the morning serve beer at five no who gives a fuck yeah what is there a magic time where you can't serve beer anymore what the fuck is that exactly don't drive drunk ever and serve beer whatever the fuck you want exactly what are we grown adults here and everybody asked me so what are you going to do when you get in nobody's with you none of the legislature is with you I go tell you exactly what I'm going to do I want to walk right into the Department of Health and I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt maybe they were confused Maybe they weren't thinking in their right minds.

[1164] Maybe they were scared, but we're going to go fix the Department of Health.

[1165] We're going to put all the right people in.

[1166] Or maybe they can work with us.

[1167] Then we're going to go to the Department of Education.

[1168] I don't have to go to the legislature to go through these different departments.

[1169] Because who's the boogeyman when you say, okay, put a big sign on the front of your building that says you're not going to police the passports and the mask.

[1170] Oh, no, I don't want the Department of Health coming down.

[1171] Well, I'm going to go take care of the Department of Health.

[1172] Well, I don't, oh, they're shutting down these hunting lands.

[1173] I don't want to walk in there.

[1174] Well, I'm going to go to the Department of Land and Natural Resources.

[1175] I'm going to go in all these departments, and we're going to make big changes, you know, if the people want to, we'll give the people the benefit of the doubt.

[1176] Maybe they made a mistake.

[1177] Maybe they're still masking the children in Hawaii because they made a mistake.

[1178] So when I get there, I'm going to go in the Department of Education, I'm going to go in the Department of Health, and I'm going to go take care of all of these things.

[1179] And I'm not going to talk to the legislature to do it.

[1180] That's my area.

[1181] And is this all the way you're allowed to pursue?

[1182] sue these things?

[1183] Is there a protocol that you're supposed to follow?

[1184] I'm sure there's protocols and we're going to have a lot of lawyers with us and, you know, like I said it's going to be a big team.

[1185] It's going to be a big team of people.

[1186] I'm not here I say join the fight.

[1187] If I was 20, I would say, let me fight for you.

[1188] And I'm going to have to fight for you while you guys are sleeping, but just join the fight.

[1189] You know, we're not here, we're not here for the office.

[1190] We're here for the people.

[1191] We're here for our freedoms and we're here for our businesses.

[1192] You know, that's why we're here.

[1193] And I was so enthusiastic about this and I said people say don't talk about it but I said no I'm so I'm not here to take the people's money you know the money the money that comes in from the government I want to put it to programs and I want to make this make this government administration as powerful as it can possibly be and I want to you know it's about holding onto that power too I've only planned to run for to run for one term because I'm not here to be I want to be with the people the mana is with the people we have the power I want to be with the people I'm only planning on going in for one term can I ask you this though what if you don't accomplish everything you want to get done in one term what if it's more difficult to get through the maze of bureaucracy I'm here to work with I want a strong lieutenant governor I have the lieutenant governors that I see that are coming in I want to work well with everybody and endorse who I have to.

[1194] If the people need me and they say, BJ, let's do it.

[1195] We need you one more time.

[1196] Of course I'm going to come and stand up for the people.

[1197] You know, and that's why I have no problem even doing this in the first place.

[1198] I would have never had the life that I had if the people of Hawaii didn't support me the way they did.

[1199] I would have never got to this success and all of these things.

[1200] I didn't win every fight.

[1201] I would come home with my face beaten and battered and the people from Hawaii, the people of Hawaii would say, hey you gotta fight again bj you can do it you're our hero come on let's show them you can show all the kids show everybody we can don't mess with hawaians you know we can do this and they've always stood behind me and i got no problem doing this for them and it's for our children and for everybody so i'm just you know i'm in and they're going to keep coming after me they're going to keep throwing whatever they can at me and let's go let's go bj you got to get together with jerry with Jesse Ventura.

[1202] Yes, I need to talk to, I was, I had him in mind, Jesse the body.

[1203] And Hawaii's got so many different problems with our housing problem, our energy problems, now everything with the gas.

[1204] And I really want to invite Elon Musk to come over and see if he could help us with Hawaii because it's a landlock state and, you know, everything comes in off the boat.

[1205] And you got everybody talking about the Jones Act.

[1206] Do you know what the Jones Act is?

[1207] No, what's a Joan time?

[1208] That's an act that makes all international boats go to California first before they come to Hawaii.

[1209] They can't just come to Hawaii.

[1210] This was made back when Hawaii was a territory.

[1211] So all kinds of different things that a lot of different people talk about.

[1212] That sounds so inefficient.

[1213] Hawaii is the most unionized state, but our families all work in those unions.

[1214] We're all together, so we all have to figure out how to update all of these different things.

[1215] and make them work properly, do we just bring the boats from, do we build our docks bigger so they can take international boats but just have our unions be the ones to take all the stuff off their boats so our unions still, you know, control the docks and not other people, not international people controlling our docks because, of course, we want our people from home.

[1216] Those are our cousins, those are our family.

[1217] Right.

[1218] You know, so whatever, you know, you hear all kinds of different stuff from, you know, the big things in Hawaii right now, the housing, The rising cost of living, you know, the education, and the rising cost of living is what's killing everybody right now.

[1219] And we have no self -sustainability.

[1220] You know, you know how big the big island is.

[1221] I believe we could do the right thing.

[1222] And, you know, from Wailuku River to Waipio Valley, that's 50 miles of water and farmland.

[1223] And they're talking about growing 100 million trees for the climate.

[1224] I'm saying every tree better have fruit on it then.

[1225] Every tree better have food on it.

[1226] You know, we're stuck dependent on a boat coming in and out.

[1227] And even more, we have to protect our waters.

[1228] You know, all the water is held in perpetuity to the people of Hawaii.

[1229] But we almost need to go one step further and make it a national treasure.

[1230] I didn't say a federal treasury.

[1231] I said a national treasure to the people where you can't just start diverting waters and doing all these things.

[1232] I mean, you take half the water from a stream coming down.

[1233] You kill half the life that was around in that stream.

[1234] You know, and these are all things that I've seen growing up and that we have to think about our sustainability.

[1235] And sustain is you're staying in the same place.

[1236] We need to thrive.

[1237] We need to move forward.

[1238] The airplanes come in full.

[1239] They drop everything off and they go back empty.

[1240] Why?

[1241] Why?

[1242] Why does that happen?

[1243] It doesn't make any sense.

[1244] How much change would have to be done for Hawaii?

[1245] to be completely self -sustainable like like what kind of industries would you have to put there where you never have to get anything off of a boat is that even possible well I don't know what we would have to figure out what we're going to do with petroleum but that's that's why I want to talk to people like like Elon you know that's why I want to people who know different things you got a lot of sun but I think solar in it's current form we got a lot of sun I think solar in its current form is great but I don't think it's really capable of running a whole city yet, you know?

[1246] Mm -hmm.

[1247] We got a, I don't know what we have out there.

[1248] You know, we have to figure out.

[1249] I mean, the gas is expensive.

[1250] The gas is expensive in Hilo.

[1251] Yeah, gas is expensive everywhere.

[1252] It's weird.

[1253] I've never been able to understand that.

[1254] Right?

[1255] Did the oil disappear overnight?

[1256] Where did it go?

[1257] Where did it all go?

[1258] You know, you want there.

[1259] Somebody tried to explain it to me, and I glazed over.

[1260] I was like, I can't pay attention to this.

[1261] No, whenever we go to any of those, like, there's a lot of, like, speaking meetings, right?

[1262] And I think, hey, this is some real mixed martial arts, this stuff.

[1263] Because not only do you have to know what you got to do when you get in, well, there's a lot of black and white stuff.

[1264] And that's like freedoms or, like, basic stuff.

[1265] And then there's state budgets, you know what I mean?

[1266] That gets gray.

[1267] Yeah, yeah.

[1268] Gray areas.

[1269] You know, that's where you got to have a lot of people helping you out.

[1270] Right.

[1271] Oh, my God.

[1272] And you must have, like, to make bad economic choices.

[1273] could be horrible Oh man You got to really make sure You make the right choice And so you have to bring people Can we do this?

[1274] Is this feasible?

[1275] Yes Like that shit's got to be scary No wonder why they like Toad the line Just like they try not to fuck anything up They probably have so many problems Like let's not fix anything It's just not fuck it up any further You know what it is They're political entrepreneurs How are they going to get to the next The next thing How are they going to get How are they going to work their way All the way up to governor You know I'm not lucky that I was in the UFC and that whole UFC is so big in Hawaii.

[1276] If not, that's why they're giving me a chance with this name recognition.

[1277] I talk to Dana and I say, hey, Dana, I got a good chance for my name recognition in the UFC.

[1278] He goes, that's amazing, man. How can I help?

[1279] So it's exciting.

[1280] Lorenzo's excited about it.

[1281] He loves it.

[1282] That's wild.

[1283] Yeah.

[1284] Well, I'm excited you're doing something that you believe in.

[1285] And I'm excited.

[1286] I love when a legend talks about that decision to step down and stop fighting.

[1287] And I think that that's a really important conversation for young guys to hear.

[1288] Because you're getting into this game and you've got to realize this is the most wild, crazy, exciting, but ultimately physically damaging game there is other than maybe football, right?

[1289] Football players, they fuck each other up, just run in full tilt into each other.

[1290] But MMA is even more personal, even more psychological because you know it's just you and this other guy and then you set a date and it's 4th of July weekend in Vegas and your fucking billboard is outside your hotel window and it's giant you can't sleep you know it's what you guys have done you know is it's very very very extraordinary and very difficult to achieve that kind of level of success that you achieved a small handful of them ever due in time so for you to admit that it's very difficult for you to feel like for your identity to step down it's very important for young fighters to hear because they're going to know that this is a part of everybody's journey there's going to be a part where now maybe if you want you can coach maybe you can help young fighters coming up with your wisdom and your perspective and you know fighters would fight very very hard for you like a guy to be able to train under a guy like BJ Penn holy shit you get a guy you get some dedicated guys who would be drawn to you Yeah.

[1291] But it's just, it's going to be the time in the cage is temporary.

[1292] Yeah.

[1293] And I'm glad that you said it the way you said it because I think that's very valuable for people.

[1294] And I want to say to all of those fighters out there, some of you guys are going to be the world champion.

[1295] Some of you guys are going to make a lot of money.

[1296] But let me remind all of you guys, MMA is not a career.

[1297] It's an opportunity.

[1298] And you go out and you make the most of your opportunity when you get that chance.

[1299] And when it's time to walk away, I've had a very, very, very.

[1300] rough time myself walking away and I just wish and I hope you guys the best for for your guys future.

[1301] That's a beautiful statement and I love what you're saying because it is true and even though guys are doing it for a career it is an opportunity meaning it's a temporary career.

[1302] It's not like being an accountant you can keep going get thicker glasses keep going you know you can keep working if you want to keep working if you have the money and if you need the money rather but for MMA there's there's a window of time.

[1303] And that's why I think it's so important to judge a fighter by their best work.

[1304] Like I always say, I mean, I don't want to say there's a goat, but for me, when anybody, anybody tries to say anything bad about Mike Tyson, I go, there was a window of time where Mike Tyson was the motherfucker of all motherfuckers.

[1305] Like, you don't know.

[1306] I'm getting chicken skin.

[1307] You weren't around back then.

[1308] You weren't around back then.

[1309] From 86 to whatever it was, like 89, Mike Tyson was the motherfucker.

[1310] Yeah.

[1311] He was the motherfucker.

[1312] He was the man. He was the man. he was terrifying and you don't get it because you weren't around then you know and you got to think about a fighter like that from that time period and how did he make you feel right it's not what they said it's not what they did it's how they made you feel and he still can make us feel that right there and we'll never ever forget how he made us feel yeah never never forget yeah there's certain fighters that when they you know achieve great heights they achieve one victory after another victory like you go holy shit i can't i feel like i'm in the middle of history here i feel like i've right when when when tito artis and ken chamrock fought in the octagon the first time and i felt like remember that i remember that it was people might think nothing of it today you only oh tito fought kennel who cares can't oh that was the two biggest this was the guy who carried our sport in the beginning and then tito was carrying our sport now you know and that That was them.

[1313] I'll never forget that feeling, watching them to look at each other in the octagon.

[1314] My whole body has chicken skin over it right now.

[1315] It was just people don't, they'll be like, oh, but Tito just beat him up.

[1316] Ken was old.

[1317] No, that was two eras.

[1318] That was an era and another era stepping in the ring for us to enjoy.

[1319] And I'll never, ever forget that.

[1320] Ever.

[1321] Yeah, man. Damn.

[1322] Those are the days.

[1323] Hey, Jason Perillo, he always used to tell you, nothing more important than a fist fight, but it's going on.

[1324] It's while it's going on.

[1325] Nothing more important.

[1326] Yeah.

[1327] I've made the best friends and had the best journey.

[1328] And that's why we all love Jiu -Jitsu.

[1329] It's the camaraderie.

[1330] And everybody, we're all talking and laughing.

[1331] No matter what, after the fight, you're going to have some laughs.

[1332] You're going to have some tears, whether you want or lost.

[1333] Yep.

[1334] You know?

[1335] And what a journey.

[1336] but I know that feeling after I remember when I started kind of getting bruised up and stuff and I remember I think I was in Australia I just fought Fitch and I remember I went back to the and my face was busted up because I couldn't even move in the third round and he just kind of sat on me and beat me up I went to the bathroom my friend, it was Hoyd actually he goes hey come come here and he filled the whole sink with ice so I could dip my face inside and I thought it's the first time anybody ever did this for me I might be getting old put my face in there you know and when you get old you start getting bruised and I you know what when did you feel the when did you feel like physically things were different like what year I don't know about the physical well I started looking like when I started getting bruises I think because even like GSP sitting on me hitting me forever busing my whole face up and it was like leather face coming out like nothing let's do a modeling shoot But then I started getting those black eyes.

[1337] And my father's telling me, he said, look, you're starting to bruise up now.

[1338] I think he was kind of like, you know, saying it without saying it.

[1339] But hey, you're starting to bruise up now because I would never have anything on my face.

[1340] So how old do you think you were when that time?

[1341] I think it was around that time, around the Fitch time.

[1342] And it was probably around those times.

[1343] And how old do you think you were when you fought Fitch?

[1344] 32, 33.

[1345] But I started, but I always say for any fighter, it's, It's the miles.

[1346] It's not the age.

[1347] It's like a car.

[1348] You can keep a perfect car in men condition in the garage.

[1349] It's the miles that you put in your body, like Julio Cesar Chavez and all of us, you know, over there fighting all those fights in the octagon and all those fights in the gym.

[1350] Every day in MMA, you meet the new guy, the new A -hole who thinks he's the toughest guy in the world, and he's your sparring partner for the next eight weeks, and you've got to deal with this asshole, you know?

[1351] And I just got tired of that kind of stuff, you know?

[1352] Now I just laugh when I see it because you know, you don't have to go kick his ass, you know?

[1353] Did you get tired of, was it physically tired or was it a waning of your enthusiasm?

[1354] You weren't as enthusiastic as you were when you were younger?

[1355] Enthusiastic.

[1356] So then you didn't train as hard?

[1357] It's always an emotional fatigue you get, but it's probably all of them.

[1358] You don't try as hard, you don't train as hard, you don't, I mean.

[1359] You just not in love with it anymore.

[1360] try to put a goal like oh if I could be the first guy to get three world titles you know that would so you try to put a goal in your head that makes sense right you know and and it and then you keep falling up short and you're just like huh but still right now I still walking right here I know I don't even work out anymore I'm still the toughest man on the planet that's just that's just I know that's how you've always been I'll never ever not think that my I'll be 80 you're you know i'll kick your ass right now yeah well for people who don't know for young people that uh have not researched the history of b j pen you must you must now go watch because you're in for a treat you you put on some spectacular fights it was fun times brother fun times thank you fun times have you thought about doing anything else other than this uh running for governor thing um i just want to i just want to raise my kids and they're growing so fast you know and I just want to be around and be around my mom now she asked me to move in with her since my dad passed away so man my dad was big my dad a lot of people don't know Halston Gracie came over and he pushed Jiu -Jitsu more than everybody of course but my dad pushed Jiu -Jitsu a lot when the gym you know how it was in the 90s nobody really liked Jiu -Jitsu everybody liked kickboxing and boxing you know and the gym wouldn't be making money and he would always say just leave it open Leave it open.

[1361] I'll take care of you this month.

[1362] Leave it open.

[1363] He loved jujitsu.

[1364] He loved, I think he knew how important it was because he was a judo black belt, but, you know.

[1365] I'm sure he knew then.

[1366] And also, you won the Mundialz three years in.

[1367] I remember those days, brother.

[1368] You won the Mundiales three years in.

[1369] For people that don't understand how crazy that is, first of all, it's crazy to be able to get your black belt in three years.

[1370] Then to win the Mundiales as a black belt after three years.

[1371] years of training.

[1372] There's only one guy that ever did that.

[1373] That's BJ Penn. You did that shit.

[1374] And I was like, we were all like, holy fuck, BJ won the Mondials.

[1375] That was wild.

[1376] People asked me, they say, how did you get a blackout in three years?

[1377] Was it desire?

[1378] Was it the dedication?

[1379] Was it drive?

[1380] And I always looked at him.

[1381] I always looked at him and say, no, it was fun.

[1382] You had fun.

[1383] I had fun.

[1384] That's the only way.

[1385] You need to find what you love to do and become the best at it.

[1386] What's your favorite thing?

[1387] Everybody's got their thing in them, you know?

[1388] But it's just that accomplishment of being able to do that, of that level, three years in.

[1389] That's nuts.

[1390] Man, you know what's funny is John Lewis was telling Andre Pettanaris, BJ is ready to fight black belt.

[1391] Let him fight blackout.

[1392] So I went over to Novo Niao, and he goes, Anjie's always the nicest guy, right?

[1393] He goes, BJ, I believe in you.

[1394] I believe you can be the world champion.

[1395] But it's not me. You have to convince Dan.

[1396] And if we're at the whole group, we've grown up in such a serious sport, right, where everything is important, you know?

[1397] Yeah.

[1398] So I look in there and he goes, you, we're going to do a selection today.

[1399] You beat these two guys.

[1400] I give you your black belt right now, and you're going to be a, you're going to be on a spot to go into the moon jaw.

[1401] And then I won my two matches against the two black belts.

[1402] Wow.

[1403] And that was harder than the moon jaw because everybody's screaming in portion.

[1404] Portuguese and this and that's all of their friends.

[1405] They know each other better than me. I'm from Hawaii, you know.

[1406] But they love me anyway, but still, you know, that's their brother.

[1407] So we all did it and this and that.

[1408] I just hear a lot of Portuguese going, and I ended up winning.

[1409] And then I got to the moon joan.

[1410] I'm glad Joe Hawk didn't show up that day because Joe Hawk was always my idol anyway, you know.

[1411] I can't beat him.

[1412] He'll kill me. He'll kick my ass.

[1413] You remember Joe Hawk, how tough he was, right?

[1414] He's all of our idol.

[1415] But that was the days of Shaolin, Leo Santos, Hopinio, Jojok, and it was just a fun time.

[1416] And when I ended up with No Vuniao, they really kind of reminded me of like a group of people from Hawaii.

[1417] And it was just home still till today.

[1418] That's awesome.

[1419] That's my people.

[1420] Yeah, well, it was a beautiful relationship.

[1421] And the fights, I mean, some of those fights that you had, man. I don't know if you ever go back and watch them.

[1422] But do you ever just fucking say, let me just take a look at what I did I don't watch on YouTube I don't much you know I should you should just for put a smile on your face right watch a BJ Penn Kio highlight reel imagine when I'm all they're like come on everybody it's time to watch put on BJ Penn Kio highlights there's got to be highlights man yeah it's hard for fighters to get to watch again yeah it is because then I start thinking about me and doing it now you know and I'm 43 you know what used to help me when I was I had this one gray hair on my hand and whenever I did I'm like okay you're fine you don't have to that's what did it that's what helps too that's hilarious that's hilarious yeah it's like time doesn't give a fuck BJ time doesn't give a fuck about anybody time has its own ideas and you have a clock right but while your fucking clock was ticking look what the fuck and you did look what the fuck you did PJ you fucked up a lot of people like that takedown defense there spectacular while you were hitting it with uppercuts while he's trying to take you down this is another thing you did in that back take thing with Matt Hughes you were one of the first guys that was very effective at trapping arms oh yeah I love that still till today where you can kind of trap their arm and you couldn't even suffocate him yeah and that's why I always think about like yeah BS the mask is good for you look at it.

[1423] Did you see what Mikey Musimechi did to Iminari?

[1424] No. They had a grappling match in one FC.

[1425] This is how good this Musimachi kid is.

[1426] I don't know if you know who he is.

[1427] And I Minari is a legend.

[1428] I mean, he teaches us.

[1429] We would go to his seminar, me and you.

[1430] This kid buzz sawed him.

[1431] No way.

[1432] Dude, this kid is good.

[1433] Where's this kid?

[1434] He's in Vegas right now.

[1435] This kid trains 12 hours a day and I'm not exaggerating, BJ.

[1436] He is fucking obsessed.

[1437] He doesn't take days off.

[1438] He just goes.

[1439] It's fun.

[1440] It's fun for him.

[1441] They're exchanging leg lock attacks.

[1442] at first and Iminari traps him.

[1443] He looks like a kid.

[1444] He's young.

[1445] He's in his early 20s, I believe.

[1446] He's very young.

[1447] But the guy's so good and just constantly drills and has fantastic defense too.

[1448] So he's leglocked defense and his offense.

[1449] It's very high level.

[1450] I mean, to have I'm anoree to have your leg like that, imagine what me and you'd be thinking, oh my God, he's going to break my leg.

[1451] Yeah, but he's, look at that right there.

[1452] I mean, that is insane.

[1453] What?

[1454] That is scary.

[1455] That attempt looks.

[1456] insane, but he gets out of this.

[1457] That's what's nuts.

[1458] So he starts attacking Iminari's leg, and I'manari's like, okay, I got to address that or I got to hang on to this.

[1459] I've got to make a choice.

[1460] So he makes a choice.

[1461] And so now he's got his leg out, and now Musamachi's got him in real danger.

[1462] So Iminari steps up, and he tries to attack it inside heel hook, so they're going to battle, they're battling back and forth.

[1463] And Musimichi eventually, I think it's right out of here, He gets to his back.

[1464] So here.

[1465] So here he uses that right, that underhook, and bam, he clamps a hold of his body.

[1466] Now he's got him from behind.

[1467] So all he has to do is get his legs out and he's got his back.

[1468] It's pretty interesting.

[1469] Oh, look.

[1470] He'll look again.

[1471] This is amazing stuff right out.

[1472] Amazing stuff.

[1473] So he, if you don't know, like I'm Anari's like this wizard leg lock specialist.

[1474] He's been doing this before us.

[1475] Yeah, yeah.

[1476] He was the man. And here's this kid fighting with him.

[1477] This is amazing.

[1478] Yeah.

[1479] So now Muzumetch gets him.

[1480] Okay.

[1481] He mounts.

[1482] Look how quickly he mounts.

[1483] his beautiful mount so he's got him on the ground it's got head and arm control full mount look how beautiful that mount is too just quickly and he just clamps a hold of them and then he watch how he takes the back here Beach this is wild shit because it's so quick it's hard to see how he's doing it watch this little slickness right here so he holds on to him look at this wow wow how about that can I see that again wow now by the way folks He's doing this to Iminari.

[1484] Look at this back to him.

[1485] Aminari has been doing this before me and Joe started.

[1486] That back take was nasty.

[1487] Amazing.

[1488] Amazing back take.

[1489] So this is how strong.

[1490] Off the going to your knees.

[1491] He takes your back off going to you going to your knee.

[1492] And this is what I was going to get to.

[1493] Okay.

[1494] He triangles the arm under.

[1495] Not just hold it like you did.

[1496] Okay.

[1497] He triangles it.

[1498] That's his move.

[1499] How does he get?

[1500] How do you get?

[1501] He just pushes.

[1502] I'll show you.

[1503] He's very flexible with his legs and good leg dexterity as well.

[1504] But he's hunting it.

[1505] He's hunting it.

[1506] system of how to set up arms and he drills them how to set arms and trap them right there it's right there look how he goes across he just keeps going until he gets it but he pins that arm down and once he pins that arm down see how he gets it under okay there he got it goes here he goes now and then okay so now he gets that's the one i love he's got it trapped and then he moves it to a triangle look at that wow it's over you never get it out never getting that out that's nasty so he not only takes the back but he triangles his fucking arm and he's now he's battling off a rear naked choke from one of the best guys in the world with one arm and the japanese are the greatest in the world at defending back submissions and all that this kid is nasty so he keeps digging he's using the classic you know tuck your thumb go under the chin and he's getting across and he's just just trying to get it all the way across so he can grab that shoulder and now he's got the shoulder he's got one arm under he's fucked now look at that and watch how he sinks this choking it's a one arm choke but he his back and goes right through like that look at that wow wow nasty yep yeah how nasty yeah that kid's fucking good i cannot believe that i cannot believe that i just saw that right there well this kid is being elite of the elite in uh no gee grappling he's done a lot of gie work too a lot of gie grappling too he's elite at geek geek greepling as well but in no ghee he's been fantastic so is uh gordon gordon he's not a jiu jihitsu black belt gordon what no i don't I was asking you, because I see, I thought I saw him with...

[1507] Well, he's a Donaher black belt.

[1508] Okay.

[1509] I guess it's a no -gee black belt, but I think maybe he's trolling.

[1510] Yeah, because I saw he's wearing blue belts and a purple belt the next day.

[1511] Yeah, that's what I was.

[1512] I was trying to figure out what was going on.

[1513] If he's not a black belt, who the fuck is?

[1514] You know, if Gordon Ryan isn't a black belt, like, how stringent are your requirements?

[1515] You got literally the greatest on paper, the greatest grappler of all time.

[1516] And he's only 25.

[1517] That's he's only 25 Wow Maybe he's 26 now It's Gordon 26 He got his brown belt That's not real Yeah I'm like trying to figure out What was right on it That's preposterous I mean unless he's fucking around He's like I don't want to bragwell And how heavy is he?

[1518] Gordon's about 240 now So around then He was having some stomach problems But he seems to have worked them out For the most part Although he did say You know It depends on what he eats If he eats well His stomach doesn't He doesn't get any He got staff a bunch of times, and he was on antibiotics for a long time, and it just fucked his whole gut biome up.

[1519] And he would eat, it's a certain reaction where he would eat food, like in almost everything he ate, made him nauseous.

[1520] Interesting.

[1521] I see you doing a lot with the diet and stuff nowadays.

[1522] I let you're into the meat or whatever.

[1523] I'm into the meat or whatever.

[1524] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1525] Because I see so many different things out there.

[1526] I eat a lot of meat.

[1527] Okay.

[1528] Yeah.

[1529] I love meat, too.

[1530] you know it's a complicated conversation that's also wrapped up I wanted to ask you about that okay you know because people like when you they associate meat with climate change oh yeah yeah don't care about the climate don't you know that eating meat is man well there's a lot of right now we're God now we're going to fix the we're going to fix the earth we shouldn't fuck up the earth anymore than we've already fucked it up and they probably should come up with some methods to mitigate it but you got to be rational about certain things Like, regenerative farming is real, which means, like, there's, on some farms, if they run them correctly, and again, I'm a moron.

[1531] I don't know exactly if this is true.

[1532] But they're talking about being able to achieve a carbon neutral state on a regenerative farm.

[1533] So a regenerative farm is where the cows graze, and then they shit, and their manure is used as fertilizer.

[1534] And then there's other animals that roam the land, like pigs and chickens, and they all shit and eat and take care of all the little pest.

[1535] little bugs and shit and keep everything clean and they run yeah and they run like what the world is supposed to be like okay because that's really within a fence or whatever yeah yeah yeah they're just there's a guy named Joel Salatin and he does this and he has like a whole system and what he does is just moves them to new areas and he constantly has them roam around the land and he just kind of like moves them in like movable pens okay okay so they're always in nature they're just kind of like corralled in yep but they live like an animal supposed to live not like, you know, not like factory farming or anything fucked up.

[1536] Gotcha, yeah.

[1537] And that in doing it this way, they believe that they can achieve a carbon neutral effect.

[1538] Okay.

[1539] And the real problem in this country is like there's, it's not just in terms of pollution.

[1540] There's a lot of pollution.

[1541] There's plastics, microplastics that they keep finding in our bloodstream.

[1542] And we're doing nothing to address that.

[1543] Like we just assume that that's a part of life.

[1544] You just have to deal with that.

[1545] much people as people know about that, like there's studies that are coming out about this now that show that it's leading to a decrease in sperm count for men, an uptick in miscarriages for women.

[1546] Interesting.

[1547] There's things called phthalates, you know, and it's a kind of a chemical that comes from petrochemical products.

[1548] And when it gets into a mammal's bloodstream, it fucks up the reproductive system.

[1549] But that's in a tooth brush and everything then.

[1550] Phalas?

[1551] Petro, I mean, plastics, right?

[1552] I don't know what it's in.

[1553] I know it's in a lot of things.

[1554] I know it's in, like, when you microwave plastics, like, that's probably not a good idea.

[1555] Oh, got you, because it goes in your food, melting your food.

[1556] It could leach into your food.

[1557] And when you're heating up plastics and it's attached to your food, probably not the best idea.

[1558] Okay.

[1559] Which makes sense, right?

[1560] I mean, it's made out of fucking gasoline.

[1561] And you're heating it up.

[1562] Yeah.

[1563] Because a scientist analyzed blood samples from 22 anonymous donors.

[1564] All healthy adults found plastic particles in 17.

[1565] Half the samples contained P .E .T. plastic, which is commonly used in drink bottles, while a third contained polystriene, used for packaging food and other products.

[1566] A quarter of the blood samples contained polyethylene, from which plastic carrier bags are made.

[1567] Jesus Christ.

[1568] So our ziplocks.

[1569] So all our, we're breathing and stuff in.

[1570] We're getting it from food We're getting it from all It's in the air All kinds of different things Yeah, that makes sense Some particles, I'm sure What is break dust?

[1571] What are they making those things out of?

[1572] Because that's a real thing Break dust is a real thing You know, when you live in a place Like no, no bullshit Like if you live in a place like New York City And there's like people constantly breaking around And traffic That's like little puffs And you see it on the rims Don't you see it on the rim?

[1573] Oh, that's a real thing, B .J. Break dust in the air is a real thing.

[1574] Yep, I believe that.

[1575] 100%.

[1576] They say that living in like a high population, high polluted area like that, where there's a lot of traffic, like if you're, if people are just using regular internal combustion cars like they are now, unless everybody switches to electric, you're ingesting a certain amount of chemicals that are coming out of those cars.

[1577] No matter what you like it or not.

[1578] If you're walking this way and everyone in this side has a fire going on.

[1579] That's what they have.

[1580] They have a controlled fire.

[1581] What are they burning?

[1582] They're bringing gasoline.

[1583] It's a control.

[1584] So they're burning gasoline, but it goes through a bunch of filters.

[1585] Don't worry about it, BJ.

[1586] It's fine and clean.

[1587] And it goes through all these filters and comes out the back end, but you're just walking next to that.

[1588] That's crazy.

[1589] Imagine if you're jogging, the people who jog on the road.

[1590] When I used to drive home when I lived in L .A. And I'd get stuck in traffic.

[1591] I'd always feel like shit when I got home.

[1592] And then I realized, oh, asshole, you're out there getting poisoned.

[1593] You're on the highway.

[1594] Right?

[1595] If you're on the 405 and it's bumper to bumper traffic for an hour and a half, you're being bumper to bumper for an hour and a half you're breathing in all these fires everybody's got a stern oak can you're breathing that shit in isn't that crazy that's true though that's what it is a bunch of controlled fires it's a bunch of controlled fires and you're breathing in the air in whatever's left that the engine doesn't suck in and burn off yeah fuck that you know that's got to be bad for you There's like so many different things that we, you know, because civilization's amazing.

[1596] It's amazing that you can get medicine.

[1597] It's amazing that you can get education.

[1598] It's amazing you get safe housing, that all this stuff can happen in an area.

[1599] That's civilization, that's amazing.

[1600] But it comes with consequences.

[1601] And one of them is one of the things that we've been using, these plastics, are getting into our bodies.

[1602] And it has disastrous consequences.

[1603] This woman named Dr. Shanna Swan, she wrote this book called Countdown.

[1604] And it's all about these thalates and these petrocalis.

[1605] chemical products and what they're doing to reproductive systems.

[1606] Because I remember they always have those things to take out the heavy metals and stuff, but now we've got to get one to take out the plastics, huh?

[1607] I don't know what they can do.

[1608] I wonder what they can do.

[1609] But the real problem, apparently, is when these thylates in particular are infect women when they're pregnant, because then it has an impact on the development of the child.

[1610] So more so than it has an impact on an adult who's already, it has a, during the process of maturation inside the womb, like that's when they think it has effects on kids.

[1611] Because this is what they're thinking about, yeah, because this is what they're thinking about with mammals.

[1612] The study, I believe, showed that with mammals, when there was a large presence of phthalates or a presence of phthalates, they could see that the male animal was more feminized.

[1613] They had smaller testicles, smaller penises.

[1614] They had smaller taints.

[1615] And they don't want to.

[1616] to fight back.

[1617] Wow, that's probably...

[1618] Right?

[1619] Yeah.

[1620] There's probably a lot of that there.

[1621] Yeah.

[1622] Yeah.

[1623] That's a part...

[1624] It's a thing that's going on in the whole world.

[1625] It's easier to tell somebody what to do when they...

[1626] Right?

[1627] When they're not going to say, I don't want to do that.

[1628] I wonder what the fuck we could do about these phthalates.

[1629] And I wonder what they could do about, I mean, microplastics.

[1630] And that guy, I'm sure you're aware of that guy, Boyon Slot, who built that is a young kid who built that machine that's cleaning up the Pacific Garbage Patch.

[1631] Yeah, I heard, so I didn't, I didn't know exactly what name that was, but I heard about somebody trying to clean up that plastic in the ocean.

[1632] I mean, he developed this idea when he was 19 years old.

[1633] The kid's a genius.

[1634] So what does it do?

[1635] Well, it's a machine that skims the ocean.

[1636] They actually have a working model of it now, and not only that, but you can actually buy products that they create from that recycled plastic, which is pretty badass.

[1637] Yeah, they had like some.

[1638] And I think they have a bunch of other stuff now.

[1639] But back then when he was on, they had sunglasses.

[1640] But this machine, it goes through the ocean and scoops up all this plastic.

[1641] Okay.

[1642] Over time, look at us.

[1643] This is all stuff that they've gotten out of the ocean.

[1644] Isn't this insane?

[1645] So this garbage patch is gigantic.

[1646] It's this huge spot in the middle of the ocean where I guess the currents pass each other.

[1647] And it allows all this garbage to kind of stay there.

[1648] and collect so it's this massive massive area but look how much shit is in it man wow that's all just floating around in this massive spot in the middle of the ocean you know who look at this fishermen who live off the ocean they they litter the ocean that's not they'll just drink a soda and throw it over that it's so crazy it's so crazy it's so sad it's so sad if someone does that it's so ignorant right it's just they haven't been educated they did they someone didn't respect them and then they don't respect the ocean like someone should tell you what that is like you live next to an amazing natural wonder yep you know when you stand by the ocean in hawaii you look out you're like this is crazy there's so much water out there how was your trip to molly i love it yeah i love it you had a great time right on hawai is my favorite spot well when i when i become governor i'm gonna come back man yeah i heard you're planning on moving to the big island one day or you're thinking about it um yeah i'd heard that terry i'd heard that terry Lawrence McKenna's house was for sale up there, but someone told me it burnt to the ground.

[1649] Terrence McKenna is this psychedelic pioneer who's an ethnobotanist and just a genius guy.

[1650] I was a giant admirer of his work and he had a getaway in Kona.

[1651] Oh, nice.

[1652] Yeah, he lived in this area where he had set up like this whole psychedelic plant compound, like all over his This plot of land He was growing all these plants That they had acquired samples from overseas Okay He was a scientist and wrote a bunch of amazing books On psychedelic drugs And that's where he lived But I believe his place burnt to the ground Oh, that's terrible He would live there And then he would Every six months He would get on a plane And go do speaking tours And there's a lot of these tours There's a podcast called The Psychedelic Salon And they put up those you can listen to most of them he has it up there Lorenzo from the psychedelic salon big shout out he has all these conversations that McKenna had in front of audiences and conferences and debates with people really really fucking interesting dude and that's where he lived I heard his house is for sale and I was like oh shit but then I heard it burnt to the ground so is that true did it burn to the ground the only thing I can find at the moment is a Reddit thread of people saying they found it in the last two years.

[1653] They found the house?

[1654] I've read it found it.

[1655] I'm never buying it.

[1656] They're not sharing where it is.

[1657] They said, like, I found it cryptically, and I found the directions.

[1658] Well, I could always ask his brother.

[1659] I'm friends with his brother.

[1660] But he was something special.

[1661] Very entertaining and interesting guy with some wild ideas.

[1662] Interesting.

[1663] He thought the people were going to create a time machine.

[1664] It's almost like they got a time machine.

[1665] I don't know.

[1666] What do you think about that?

[1667] You gave up on the aliens You give up on all these different things But man, just like Biff and back to the future Did they steal the sports almanac And go back I don't think they did I think they did I think that life reality is slippery And we always try to control it In our head at least We want some order to it You know we just want some order to life Want it to make sense It doesn't make sense So it always feels crazy It always feels like Ah maybe maybe this is a simulation Maybe or maybe life is just just bananas.

[1668] Maybe life is like really fucking crazy.

[1669] That's what I'm going with.

[1670] I don't think it's a simulation.

[1671] It's pretty crazy for the animals, right?

[1672] When living in the Amazon forest or in the safari, their life seemed crazier than ours.

[1673] So why would ours be a simulation?

[1674] I got way too down the rabbit hole with these Instagram pages that show animals killing animals.

[1675] There's so many of them.

[1676] BJ spent like an hour the other day on YouTube just watching animals getting taken out by other animals there's so many of them it's like an animal could just be born and and snatch right away yeah that's amazing that's just it's brutal life life will beat you to death and that's what it was for most of the time when people are people that's what it was you go outside you get eaten right you know stick together be careful carry spear pointed out the at the jungle everywhere you go because there's always something waiting to pounce because they said that people never used to live as long as us i mean we weren't there but yeah we don't know yeah yeah Yeah, I mean, why is it, I mean, if you really think about any kind of injury you got back then, broken leg, dead.

[1677] You're dust.

[1678] Where your ACL can't run, dead.

[1679] The elephants, they just keep walking.

[1680] Yeah, dead.

[1681] Your tribe would just keep walking.

[1682] Yeah.

[1683] You go down.

[1684] They stomp you.

[1685] Right.

[1686] You know, humans got down.

[1687] There was a point in time when a super volcano went off around Indonesia, where they think, humans got, was it called a toba?

[1688] Is that it?

[1689] Humans got down to somewhere in the neighborhood of like 70 ,000 people.

[1690] Wow.

[1691] Is it 7 ,000 or 70?

[1692] 5 ,000 people?

[1693] That's crazy to hear.

[1694] It's in the thousands.

[1695] That's like noah.

[1696] That's like noah.

[1697] The name of that race was Noah.

[1698] 5 ,000 people.

[1699] Yeah, but that was just one moment in time.

[1700] Yeah.

[1701] Oh, here it is.

[1702] 3 ,000 to 10 ,000.

[1703] Oh, no. So, okay, according to the genetic bottleneck theory, between 50 ,000 and 100 ,000 years ago, human population decreased to 3 ,000 to 10 ,000 surviving individuals.

[1704] Wow.

[1705] Because it could be as low as 3 ,000.

[1706] Yeah.

[1707] And that's just so.

[1708] Yeah.

[1709] If that happened, for sure, people ate people.

[1710] Right?

[1711] Guarantee.

[1712] You had to.

[1713] You had to.

[1714] You get down that low.

[1715] You get down that low when people die, you got to eat them.

[1716] Yeah, survival.

[1717] I mean, I wish we had real.

[1718] news.

[1719] I wish we knew what was going on around and then you then makes you wonder okay well if we don't have real news what's up with our history you know what's up with any history what's up with Hawaiian history what's up with Tahitian history what's up with any history right there's there's independent people that you can trust that's all there is when when something is a part of big organizations it's reasonable to be skeptical I'm not saying that it's impossible for a big organization to be objective but they're so so influenced by advertiser.

[1720] They're so influenced.

[1721] They're so influenced.

[1722] They have to be.

[1723] They know where the money's coming from.

[1724] They're not going to pretend they don't know where the money's coming from.

[1725] That too, you know, I talk to cultural advisors all the time from Hawaii or wherever.

[1726] And I say, come on, let's be real.

[1727] You know, you weren't there.

[1728] We weren't there.

[1729] We weren't there.

[1730] And we can just go as far as our grandmothers and, you know, that's how far we can go.

[1731] Hawaii's a wild place, man, because it's five hours on a problem.

[1732] plane over the ocean and yet it's America right and it's wild and we can't drive out no we're stuck we're we're there you know and and and and and but it's paradise you can use this as a control group but I mean I remember when they were offering us the it was like when I fall Lyoto and I came back and I I could be wrong but I could be making a mistake but I remember they were offering us the the swine flu the swine flu the swine flu the swine flu shot, not too long after I got back fighting Lyoto.

[1733] That was right when Obama got in and just made me wonder, because I was never really a flu shot guy in the first place, you know what I mean?

[1734] All of us, I mean, you cannot set a sports world record unless you know about your immune system.

[1735] Unless you have some kind of knowledge.

[1736] Imagine a guy like Floyd Mayweather, what he knows about his immune system.

[1737] Every time he stepped in there, he made sure that he was ready to go.

[1738] There was nothing wrong.

[1739] Because no matter how good you feel, no matter how hard you train, You're only going to use the game plan to how you feel.

[1740] I know we plan on this, but hey, I don't feel like that right now.

[1741] So we're going to do this, you know?

[1742] You know, and it's just life, right?

[1743] You know, you get put in those positions.

[1744] Well, the thing about Floyd Mayweather supposedly, and there's a thing that I tweeted the other day, that was a YouTube video that I watched, Floyd Mayweather's work ethic was insane.

[1745] Insane.

[1746] They said that dude.

[1747] Zab Judah went to train with them because they had fought, and then Zab went and was sparring for, and when they were working together Floyd would call him up like two in the morning let's go run he's like what the fuck are you talking about okay let's go to the gym he's like two 30 in the morning he wanted to go to the gym and then like eight hours later he'll call you up let's go run like he was running twice a day he was running sometimes 10 miles in the morning he ran constantly and that's one of the things about him is like his cardio was off the charts yeah Floyd never gets tired never never never never ever never you never see him like huffing and puffing and he beat Can you believe that He beat him clean.

[1748] Right?

[1749] But he was smart too.

[1750] With that.

[1751] He made Canello get down to 152.

[1752] Remember that?

[1753] Smart, man. Very smart.

[1754] Very smart.

[1755] What I think about Canello Bivall?

[1756] Who's Connello Bivall?

[1757] No, Canell is fighting Bivall.

[1758] Bavall is...

[1759] I never heard of Bivall.

[1760] He is, I want to say, he's a cruiserweight champion?

[1761] Is he a cruiserweight champion?

[1762] No, he's a light heavyweight, I believe.

[1763] I believe he's a light heavyweight champion.

[1764] Is that correct?

[1765] Dimitri Beval Light Heavyweight champion I heard they were talking about Canello and Usman or whatever Yeah they were talking about that But MMA, it's truly the only sport Because Like George Mazzvedal was like Oh Usman Usman still is not a real puncher Or he still is not a real striker Even though Usman did catch Masvidol And he's the only guy to put Mosvidal down But MMA is just such a crazy sport that he might be kind of right by saying he's not really a full striker yet but he knocked him out you know i couldn't believe that when george got knocked out because that was the first time ever were you there yes wow that was one one punch i think usman in in in terms of like welterweight he's going to go down as one of the grades because he's doing an evander i mean uh anderson silver type run right now he's already almost caught up to gsp if he's not the greatest of all time he's he's in the conversation like you look at all -time grates Like, I don't see a person at 170 that's ever lived that I think is a favorite against Usman.

[1766] I've never seen that person.

[1767] Right?

[1768] I've never seen that person.

[1769] Right about that.

[1770] They might exist, but I've never seen him.

[1771] Right.

[1772] You know, I mean, we were worried maybe it would be Hamzaa.

[1773] Like, Hamzat seemed like he was that guy, but he just jumped right into the deep water with Gilbert.

[1774] Yeah.

[1775] But if you look at the difference in their performances, and I know you can't do MMA math, it doesn't really work that way.

[1776] But if you did look at the way Usman handled Gilbert.

[1777] Compared to Hamza.

[1778] Hamza got in real trouble.

[1779] Right.

[1780] Makes you wonder.

[1781] Usman keeps getting better, man. And he keeps getting better.

[1782] One punch.

[1783] And he's...

[1784] Mazvedal.

[1785] The coach, he's in Colorado, right?

[1786] Yes.

[1787] Trevor Whitman.

[1788] Trevor Whitman, he's doing a great job.

[1789] Trevor Whitman's a bad motherfucker.

[1790] Yes, he is.

[1791] That guy's a wizard, too.

[1792] He's got Rose too, right?

[1793] Yes, he's amazing.

[1794] He's amazing.

[1795] He's made a better MMA glove.

[1796] Oh, have you seen it?

[1797] Really?

[1798] Onyx, his company.

[1799] Pull people's eyes?

[1800] No, it's like you're curled into a fist.

[1801] It protects your hand better, too.

[1802] And it's a more dense foam.

[1803] So it's the same weight, but it's superior construction.

[1804] I put it on and I was like, dude, this is the best MMA glove I've ever felt.

[1805] And he's a genius with that shit.

[1806] And I don't know why the UFC hasn't adopted it.

[1807] I want to send them this afterwards.

[1808] You need to get these fucking gloves.

[1809] They're the best gloves.

[1810] They're better for the fighter's hands.

[1811] They're better for fights.

[1812] I think there's a real possibility that they can eliminate a lot of eye pokes.

[1813] Because they cause you to curve.

[1814] You can open them up if you need to grapple, but they cause you to curve.

[1815] Instead of, you'll tell me, a lot of the UFC guys say that the gloves almost feel like they're opening you up.

[1816] You can't grab anything.

[1817] Once you tape your hands, your grappling is done.

[1818] You're basically like this at that point, you know?

[1819] Unless you have giant hands.

[1820] Like some dudes, like Fabricio Verdum.

[1821] Yeah, Lesner.

[1822] But for Doom with a guard.

[1823] They had to get him like a triple X glove or something.

[1824] Well, you know his gloves are bigger?

[1825] Shane Carwin's.

[1826] Really?

[1827] Bro.

[1828] Shane Carwin looked like a fucking comic book superhero when I met him.

[1829] Shane Carwin.

[1830] Is he from Texas?

[1831] Colorado.

[1832] Okay.

[1833] He's a Denver guy.

[1834] Okay.

[1835] He trained with Shob.

[1836] And, you know, when he was the interim champion, dude, I don't know what year this was.

[1837] I was living in Colorado, so I guess it was 2009.

[1838] And I was doing jiu -jitsu at Amal Easton's place.

[1839] And I look up for the mat, and there's this dude who walks in who doesn't even look real.

[1840] He looks like if the thing from Fantastic Four was a person.

[1841] he's that big because he's in between fights he's like 300 pounds and this is I think before I wonder when Shane Carwin first fought in the UFC I think he'd already fought in the UFC but he was so big look the size of his hands I remember that's Shane's hand on the right and Brock's hand on the left but that's a bad perspective because Brock's hand has turned slightly sideways but Brock's whole first round again Shane was like the biggest man in the world on his back just covering up dude if Shane just paste himself and didn't, like, completely empty the tank, he would have stopped him.

[1842] Yeah.

[1843] He just got so excited that he emptied the gas tank trying to put him away.

[1844] If not for that, Shane Carlin would have been the heavyweight champion in the world.

[1845] More fights have been lost by doing that than anything else.

[1846] Another thing I always hated, too, is, like, using your legs, like a triangle or an arm bar or trying to do some submission, and then the round ends, and then now you've got to fight, and your legs have nothing.

[1847] You want to look at your corner and be like, no, I want to fight just my legs, my body, can't.

[1848] I want to fight you.

[1849] Yeah, when a guy jumps on a guy's back and tries to like ride his back and hold on and take his back from behind, like, boy, if you don't get that one.

[1850] Yeah.

[1851] If you don't get that one, that's so much squeezing.

[1852] Oh, standing up you're talking.

[1853] Yes.

[1854] That's so much squeezing.

[1855] 100%.

[1856] That's a big one.

[1857] Yeah.

[1858] Yeah.

[1859] Sometimes guillotines, right?

[1860] Sometimes or a darsk, they go for it.

[1861] Any of those?

[1862] And they just blow their arms out.

[1863] Yeah.

[1864] Really, man. That stuff you really got to be accounted for when you're in the ring how much different was that for you when you were incorporating that crazy strength and conditioning routine was that where it made the difference like in those moments um you know yeah i guess i think it made the difference in the speed the speed was everything and uh because you all the plyometric drills and like he would call it stretch speed or something and he's like don't don't stretch too much because you want you want your tendons to be able to react back When you, like, your ankle will go like this, but you don't want to always stretch too much.

[1865] You want to just always be able to reflex and that's what he was all about.

[1866] He was all about moving your body as fast as you possibly can.

[1867] That's what Marinovich was about.

[1868] He had those different things where you throw the things off and push them with your legs.

[1869] But it makes sense as long as you have the kind of technique that you had.

[1870] But in the product of, in the process of developing technique, it's like how much time do you spend with that kind of strength and conditioning versus how much time do you spend learning technique well there you go i mean a basket sooner or later you're going to have to go and shoot some baskets yeah how you're going to get better at surfing sooner or later you're going to have to paddle out well like look at a guy like anderson in his prime now imagine if you don't have this kind of skills that Anderson has in his prime but you're in really really good shape that's not going to help you you're just going to be like you're just going to be the best the best shaped guy at the club getting his butt kick you're just going to get beat up for a little while longer That's all it's going to be.

[1871] You're going to survive for a little while longer, why Anderson tunes you up.

[1872] Like, you need skills.

[1873] Skills are the most important thing.

[1874] And the one thing you can't improve, no matter how much times you do it, is getting hit.

[1875] You don't get better from getting hit.

[1876] You get worse.

[1877] We've seen how many jaws crack.

[1878] Yeah, a lot.

[1879] Right?

[1880] And then boom, it cracks, and you're like, oh, it's just, they keep throwing that little rock at the glass and then a crack and then it.

[1881] Who's the most durable and resilient?

[1882] guy that's ever fought in the sport in terms of like longevity there's only one answer longevity let's hear it andre alovsky oh that's that i cannot believe cannot believe because he started with me we still winning and he's still going he's still winning i cannot believe andrew alovsky looks great i bow to you andre you are amazing you inspire all of us every I'm on, man. I'm on, man. I can't believe.

[1883] I was the UFC heavyweight champion in the world, and what year was that?

[1884] He defended against Paul Buantello, I remember that.

[1885] What, he wanted against Sylvia.

[1886] Right.

[1887] And he defended against Puentello, then he might have lost it to Sierra.

[1888] I want to say, that was like 2003.

[1889] Yep.

[1890] What a great, he's amazing.

[1891] It's amazing.

[1892] And then he went to, he was in New Mexico.

[1893] Bitchy, this is 20 years we're talking now.

[1894] 20 years in the UFC.

[1895] He's still knocking people out.

[1896] Insane.

[1897] He made it a career.

[1898] 2005.

[1899] He made it a career.

[1900] So it's been 17 years.

[1901] Wait, he started fighting UFC 2005?

[1902] Was that?

[1903] His debut?

[1904] UFC 28.

[1905] Before me?

[1906] That was in 2004.

[1907] So, debut in 2004, the champion in 2005.

[1908] But my first fight was 2001.

[1909] Oh, yeah.

[1910] Well, what was his debut?

[1911] 2004 was his debut.

[1912] UFC 28 was 2000, actually.

[1913] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1914] That was UFC 32, which was 2001.

[1915] Yeah.

[1916] Amazing resilience.

[1917] Belarus.

[1918] I mean, that dude has been around, son.

[1919] Yes, it's not even a question.

[1920] Andre Arlowski.

[1921] He is.

[1922] He fought everybody.

[1923] He is the quintessential.

[1924] He's still winning.

[1925] That's what's crazy.

[1926] He's got to look at me and say, MMA's an opportunity.

[1927] My ass, BJ.

[1928] This is my career.

[1929] It is for him.

[1930] It is for him.

[1931] Damn.

[1932] He fights Saturday night on the font versus verified.

[1933] That's a good card too.

[1934] I like that card.

[1935] Imagine, he's so amazing this guy.

[1936] It's credible.

[1937] That is incredible.

[1938] He's too amazing.

[1939] 33 and 20.

[1940] Proud of this guy.

[1941] It's just the enthusiasm still there.

[1942] The records show nothing.

[1943] The records, like you said, it's on the day when that happened, right?

[1944] Yeah, on the day.

[1945] You have to look at the overall body of work, but you also really have to look.

[1946] I mean, when I talk about great.

[1947] That's what I like to concentrate on.

[1948] I mean, there's a lot of amazing fights and there's a lot of amazing fighters and great wars and everything.

[1949] But there's something about extraordinary greatness when a guy just has total domination over a division.

[1950] You know, and you had that.

[1951] And George had that.

[1952] And, you know, there's a few guys that have had that over time.

[1953] Usman has that right now.

[1954] Mighty Mouse had that.

[1955] There's a few guys.

[1956] Izzy has that.

[1957] You know, when you just, you've beaten everybody in the division.

[1958] You kind of own in the division.

[1959] That's a rare gem of a fighter.

[1960] And my thought is to always analyze those people at their peak of power and destruction.

[1961] And you get to watch them.

[1962] Like Style Bender versus Polo Costa.

[1963] That's the peak of his powers.

[1964] Exactly.

[1965] Just a full wizardry in effect.

[1966] Right.

[1967] You know, just put on a show against the most dangerous guy in the division, the scariest guy in the division, he just lights him up like a Christmas tree.

[1968] Right.

[1969] Does whatever he wants to.

[1970] I like Stylebender.

[1971] love style yeah but his technique is like what what this is a it's a rare thing when a guy gets to that that where you're talking what we're talking about when someone's just dominating a division that's a special kind of athlete to be able to do that because sometimes you don't even because what did everybody say when Anderson was was dominating his division oh well he doesn't have a strong division but he made it not look like a strong division he was he fought good guys I mean it is true you are who you fight and that's why Ali was so lucky to have Frazier and Norton and Foreman and have all these guys.

[1972] But Anderson, remember when he jumped around and then when Carlos Newton shot out of him and he need him in pride?

[1973] He was just dancing around, moving, moving, moving.

[1974] And boom, that's the setups that you were talking about.

[1975] When you were talking about his setups and I was thinking about when he, when he need Carlos.

[1976] Yeah, no, he was phenomenal.

[1977] He was such an animal.

[1978] He was so good.

[1979] And it's just, I think that what we're all doing.

[1980] and as fans were observing it and as guys like you are participating in, excellence in a discipline.

[1981] And this discipline is fucking people up.

[1982] And it's a complicated discipline and everybody approaches the discipline differently.

[1983] You know, Brock Lesnar was like, ground and pound, smash, get you to the ground, beat the fuck out of you.

[1984] You know, and Olivera, real technical with his strikes, nasty submissions.

[1985] I love Olivera and I tell him all the time, I say, because I always see him with Makako, and I always tell him, I say, I say, you know what I love?

[1986] about you, Charles, you always stayed with Makako.

[1987] Never left.

[1988] And us being Jiu -Jitsu guys, we know what that's about, being a croce and stuff.

[1989] And Makako always took him, and he nods his head because he knows that we're from that generation.

[1990] It's a, ever back then, it was little gangs, like the Jiu -Jitsu gang, the wrestling gang, the kickboxing gang.

[1991] It was all a bunch of gangs and everybody carried their own flag.

[1992] And it was different than it is now.

[1993] And I think, imagine getting into this now.

[1994] I mean, where would you start?

[1995] Where do you begin?

[1996] Yeah, where would you start?

[1997] It seems a lot more scary.

[1998] Like, for me, I was like, oh, I had it easy, man. Everybody was just starting out, you know?

[1999] These guys are crazy.

[2000] If you started out from the beginning, like say if you were a young kid, if you wanted to coach a young kid, would you say go to an MMA gym or would you say specialize in something first?

[2001] Like while you're young, specialize in jiu -jitsu, specialize in kickboxing, and get really good at that, specialize in wrestling get really good at that then you can go start learning all that other shit but you'll always have that one strength over people that's what i always that's what i've always said my whole life but i don't know now but i don't know if a guy like Trevor whitman can just train a kid you know what i mean and just take him and just take him all the way but i always used to say before find what you like the most what do you like striking or you like grappling which one you like the most okay you like wrestling okay try to become an olympic wrestler go do that try to go to college go do that as far as you can and then when you're done doing that when you're done with that dream start to add everything else that's what I would think before because that's what I did right I did Jiu -Jitsu till I was a world champion I tried to add everything else am I slowing the guy down by doing that now I don't know I think I would I think I would have to sit and talk to people I'd talk to you I'd talk to Eddie I'd talk to all of these guys out I'd talk to Perillo I'd go talk to Trevor Whitman I'd talk to Javier you know I don't know I don't know taking the consideration and people's physical limitations too, right?

[2002] That too.

[2003] Well, that's a fact.

[2004] That's a fact.

[2005] If you're training someone from the jump, there's no real guarantee that they're ever going to be really good.

[2006] That's why I don't train people.

[2007] Because they got to leave you anyway.

[2008] To be the best, they've got to leave you.

[2009] And here you were just putting everything into them.

[2010] You know what I mean?

[2011] And you're going to have to bid them a fair, be nice and bid them a nice farewell because they've got to learn more than what you have to teach.

[2012] Especially if your income relies on this.

[2013] you know that too you need fighters to pay you because that's how you make a living right you know there's a there's a few guys that seem to have a fantastic relationship with their pupils like ferrassa hobby he's got a fantastic relationship with all his fighters and i love the way he runs his gym and he's he's such a philosophical guy yes that he imparts a perspective in these fighters just from the way he carries himself and the way he can i mean he's like one of the have you ever sat down had a conversation with him just a little bit here and there but i love for us yes he is very articulate like that's a brilliant brilliant guy and that's why he's so good as a coach i have so much respect for the mama coaches and i tell jason perillo all the time i said hey we started together but look at you man you're out there swimming i think it's harder to be an mhm a coach and make a living and pay your rent than the fighter himself and you got to count on somebody else to go out there and perform yeah he he went through he with he was with me then he got michael bisping to the champion Then he got Chris Cyborg to the championship.

[2014] Now, Cheeto Vera is working his way up.

[2015] Mackenzie Derns with him.

[2016] Yeah, Chito Verra's with him all the time.

[2017] Cheeto Veras fight and Rob Font this weekend.

[2018] Wow.

[2019] That's a serious fight.

[2020] Yes, that is a serious fight.

[2021] That's a serious fight.

[2022] Too hungry, those are too hungry guys.

[2023] I'm fired up for that fight.

[2024] That's hunger.

[2025] That's hunger right there, those two guys.

[2026] Fuck, yeah.

[2027] That's a great fight.

[2028] And it's a headliner on ESPN Plus.

[2029] And I, because God throws you out there and it's like sink or swim in.

[2030] And I'm like, man, Jason Perillo, he's swimming out there.

[2031] Look at this guy.

[2032] That's why I was with him.

[2033] And it's just amazing these coaches.

[2034] They know it.

[2035] They know a lot.

[2036] Yeah.

[2037] They've got to put so much in a fighter when, you know, when you find some kid, like, you don't know if you can take a shot.

[2038] You don't know.

[2039] There's so many things.

[2040] You don't know what happens when the heat gets turned up to nine.

[2041] You got to weed them out right away.

[2042] Okay, okay, well, you want to, okay, get in there right now.

[2043] Go ahead.

[2044] Go ahead.

[2045] Go.

[2046] You want to fight, get you step in the ring right now.

[2047] Let's see it.

[2048] Well, BJ, one of the things that Mike Tyson was talking about was when he met Customato, their custom model also worked with him under hypnosis and so he coached him and put him in a state of hypnosis and would would coach him and talk to him about mindset and like getting programmed wow and then also physically super crazy gifted right like really was he was he was he told me he was 13 years old he was almost 200 pounds he was in the 190s and 13 years old he goes jacked so he was fucking kids up that were like they had no business being in there with him and then on top of that he's got customato who's coaching him and coaching him on psychology yeah customato was the guy who said fire fear is like fire it could be your friend it can cook your food yeah or could burn your fucking house down yeah fear is like fire yeah that was his it was one of the the phrases that cuss would say and to have Mike Tyson run into Customado right when he was maturing to.

[2049] He's 13 years old.

[2050] So he's physically maturing.

[2051] And then he's with this real psychological wizard who's an amazing boxing coach.

[2052] And he raises him to become one of the greatest heavyweights of all time.

[2053] I mean, that movie.

[2054] Yeah.

[2055] I know they're doing a movie with Jamie Fox.

[2056] Jamie Fox is playing Mike Tyson.

[2057] That's amazing.

[2058] That's crazy.

[2059] It's crazy.

[2060] That is amazing.

[2061] Because Will Smith was the last, was Ali, right?

[2062] He did a great job.

[2063] He did.

[2064] He did a great job.

[2065] I like that.

[2066] And you could tell he did a lot of boxing.

[2067] Like, his hands looked good.

[2068] His hands looked good.

[2069] His hands looked good the other night.

[2070] I think Sands, I think that needs some work.

[2071] He didn't even stagger Chris Rock.

[2072] Everybody always says, you know, you know I hit Chris Rock?

[2073] Because it wasn't the Rock.

[2074] Yeah.

[2075] Can you imagine?

[2076] Come on, man. Come on.

[2077] There's not a chance in hell.

[2078] that was just so crazy so crazy to do such a crazy thing to think you can get away with you know what I was actually I know I got this whole governor thing going so it's always I always talk about all the time but I was actually filming a show when Nate Diaz came on and Bam Bam Baklava Yeah he came on the show Action Bronson Yeah Action Bronson and And this other comedian from Hawaii Lanai and it was called the Regiment where we go around and so James Lurice, he shot it for us and they're trying to do something with it, but we go around to all the different fighters and kind of just talk to them about their regimen for their life, you know what I mean, and what they do now, and sitting down with Nate, he gave me a lot of info, he was like, and he told me a lot of stuff, I go, how'd you get into this and that?

[2079] And he was like, well, my mom would let us go, let us go with her brother.

[2080] while she went to work because the brother was a track and field coach at the gym that they were at the Stockton or whatever at the high school and that's how they got into all that you know conditioning you know the Diaz brother's crazy conditioning stuff right yeah so i never really knew about that you know it's kind of generational yeah their conditioning right well it makes sense now after watching them beat everybody's ass in the fifth round yeah they were doing all kinds of crazy triathlons and cycling events and swimming from alcatraz yeah Nick swam back and forth At the last time I was in contact with him He said it was five times Wow Five times he swam from Alcatraz I wouldn't jump in that water Fuck that water Dude People get chopped in half in that water Right Right He was in Hilo He was staying with me for a couple A couple weeks in Hilo Went down the White Peele Valley and stuff And he was just trying to get his head right And first of all What if you get run over by a boat Any of that stuff I mean I know the odds are small But don't the odds get greater is you get closer and closer to the water or to the shore rather like if you jump from Alcatraz and you go straight through, aren't there boats going through that, B .J. I don't know how he wouldn't be scared of the sharks.

[2081] Fuck, man, what about the boats?

[2082] The boats, any of that.

[2083] I would be worried about some drunk dude who's like playing Billy Joel down in Papp's Blue Ribbons and he's going to butcher you with a fucking propeller.

[2084] Man. Fuck that, dude.

[2085] Yep.

[2086] Captain Jackwell get you and bra runs right over you I would definitely worry about sharks too though yeah in that area it's like a great white breeding ground that's what he's an animal Nick's an animal he's an animal that guy five times at least that was the last time I was in contact with him wow because I said he did it two times and he messaged me nope five times I was like oh shit five times five times that means he did it three more times it's the last time I heard about it such a beast Yeah, him and his brother I wonder what they're going to do with Nate I wonder what's going to be the comeback fight Because he's talking about trying to get out Yeah, right I think if they give him the right money I think he'll stay Yeah, of course I think he'll stay If he wants to keep fighting It's whether or not he wants to keep fighting There's only one place for us to fight And that's in the UFC What do you Man, is that good?

[2087] What?

[2088] Is it good that there's only one place to fight Or would it be better If there was like a real viable option You don't think Bellator's Totally viable?

[2089] option?

[2090] I think well they were just in Hawaii this last weekend and I had a great time at the show of course you know what I think is right there I wish that there was people that they could remember I went to K1 for a little bit they were paying me big money you know they were paying they were paying me big money oh I'm so happy I claim came back when you came back you went on a fucking rampage and so a lot of people don't like when I won the lightweight belt that was kind of towards the end of my career that wasn't towards the beginning right kind of had a like two or three kind of mixed up careers here and there.

[2091] There's guys over at Bellator that I go, man, that guy, like, here's one, Musassi.

[2092] Yeah.

[2093] I did not like Musassi and Stylebender.

[2094] We want to watch that.

[2095] Fuck, yeah.

[2096] We want to see it.

[2097] I did not like watching Musassi go over to Belator for that reason.

[2098] Yeah.

[2099] Because I knew Stylebender was so good and Musassi so good.

[2100] Yeah.

[2101] And, you know, I think when I watch Musassi, I go, man, that guy might be the best.

[2102] Right.

[2103] He's up there.

[2104] He's up there.

[2105] And when he was in the UFC, when he beat Wyedman, he beat a lot of people.

[2106] He's, he's elite, you know?

[2107] Yes, yes.

[2108] He can, he can fight with Stylebender.

[2109] Well, I'm sure.

[2110] That's the fight we want.

[2111] It would be fascinating, for sure.

[2112] Like, it's a good, it's, it's an exciting matchup because he's a real fucking, real veteran.

[2113] He really isn't.

[2114] Real veteran.

[2115] I remember he, did he see the Austin Vanderford fight?

[2116] Is that who he beat?

[2117] Yeah, he just, okay, what, did he wipe him out?

[2118] Yeah, he wiped him out.

[2119] Wiped him out.

[2120] He clipped him early, hurt him.

[2121] him, rocked him, smashed him.

[2122] He was just buzz sawed him.

[2123] He was there from the pride days.

[2124] He's been around a long time, dude.

[2125] Right?

[2126] And he still seems pretty hungry, actually.

[2127] Still seems very hungry.

[2128] I think he's making good money.

[2129] You know what?

[2130] I think Bellator's taken care of him.

[2131] Right?

[2132] Yeah, he's still got his hunger.

[2133] You know who had the hunger forever was Bisping?

[2134] And then he came back in won that belt.

[2135] With one fucking eye.

[2136] We'll talk about have the hunger.

[2137] Bisping fought ten fights with one eye, BJ.

[2138] Ten fights.

[2139] Bisping and Matt Serra was the two guys.

[2140] guys I called personally and said I wouldn't have anyone else I wouldn't rather have anyone else be the champion and you guys that's awesome I loved it when Sarah was the champion when Bisping was the champ I was very happy for Michael because you know that was like it could have alluded him he might have had to retire the guy hung in there with one fucking eyeball like do you know I don't think people understand for years right not just to fight with one eyeball but fight in the UFC the best fighters to fight Anderson Silva with one eyeball so he basically said everybody after that Vitor fight he was blind in that eye That Vitor fight When Vitor hit him with that head kick Yeah From then on He was fucked A bunch of operations Never got his vision back Now it's completely gone This once I got the cataract I don't even know if I won Since I got the cataract Ten years ago Because I just had I ended up getting a cataract Do you think Is cataract something that you get Just from fighting Gotta be from fighting It said like on the prednis zone Like oh you could get up cataract But I'm just like And I was taking it at the time but I think it's from getting hit in my eye for sure yeah yeah and then I did a lot of acupuncture and stuff and it brought my eye back I could read and everything because it looked like a kaleidoscope at first for a while it came back I could read but it didn't have I didn't do as much this part was the problem I think the depth perception yeah oh and then so this eye would be like that so I'd kind of like try to use this eye and maybe I would square myself up I don't know.

[2141] But let's just say I got old and started getting my ass kicked.

[2142] That's enough.

[2143] Well, the interesting thing is why I asked you, like, at what year you started to feel, like, how old you were when you started to feel the decline.

[2144] What you said was indicative of, like, what we used to think of fighters.

[2145] We used to think fighters hit, like, 33, 34, things, they start going downhill.

[2146] 35, 36, 37, 38.

[2147] You get to, like, 38, 39 as a professional boxer.

[2148] Not a lot of guys in that area.

[2149] Not a lot of guys.

[2150] There's a few George Foreman's.

[2151] There's a few rare Sergio Martinez was at one point in time.

[2152] He was like fairly advanced in age and really good.

[2153] But after you get like in the late 30s, it's like there's something going on, clearly, for most people.

[2154] But for guys that were on the sauce, that's where it got weird because they could keep going.

[2155] Yeah, that's where it got weird.

[2156] And that's where we got confused.

[2157] And that's why I thought it was a career.

[2158] I'm over here taking the light force.

[2159] You know what I mean?

[2160] And I'm in my 20s.

[2161] and I'm gassing out and everybody's still going.

[2162] That is the difference.

[2163] You fought natural.

[2164] You fought natural at a time where very few people did, and we both know that.

[2165] You know, without accusing anybody.

[2166] It was just a fact.

[2167] We don't have to accuse nobody.

[2168] It was just a fact.

[2169] Everybody knew it.

[2170] Everybody knew there was certain camps that had even hired doctors that would make sure that you tested clean.

[2171] That's what I couldn't believe when the doctors started.

[2172] Oh, this is my doctor.

[2173] This is my doctor's in the camp.

[2174] Yes.

[2175] There was certain guys that had a lot of money.

[2176] and they wanted to ensure that they had the competitive advantage.

[2177] They thought about it the same way cycling teams, thought about juicing up Lance Armstrong.

[2178] I remember when I was going to fight Dennis Seaver, and I worked out and stuff, but I didn't care.

[2179] I was just drinking, just hanging out.

[2180] I show up to the fight.

[2181] I didn't even care about it.

[2182] It was towards the end of my career.

[2183] I show up to the fight and I see Dennis Seaver, and I go, I'm going to win.

[2184] Look at him.

[2185] He looks like he's done.

[2186] We went to go to the way.

[2187] and then he had a doctor and the doctor did introduce himself I'm the doctor for the team or whatever but I saw him and I was like I'm gonna kill him I don't even care how I trade for this fight I do my flex and everything when I walked into the ring I couldn't even believe the guy saw another side how much bigger he was and I was getting older towards 38 or 40 and I was but I was just kind of I wasn't afraid of nobody you know what I'm like oh he looks a lot bigger but let's go let's do this But just thinking, you know, about all that, like having a doctor and all that.

[2188] But I remember thinking at the way in when I saw him, I said, I'm going to win.

[2189] It doesn't matter how I trained.

[2190] And then when I saw him in the ring, it was just two different, two different people.

[2191] Did you not train as hard as you would have liked for that fight?

[2192] Towards the end, I guess.

[2193] It just, you know.

[2194] He didn't have the enthusiasm.

[2195] Yeah.

[2196] And you're like, hey, you could train real hard and lose.

[2197] And you could not train real hard and lose.

[2198] It just got, yeah, but hey, but we know.

[2199] but you see how the brain changes and I would say what changed is when I was a kid this is all I wanted all I wanted and then I had those things now I wanted more I wanted more cake can give me more can give me more and you know what I mean but but were you willing to do what it took you know and and but even if you but even if I did I mean still I was older and these kids are younger.

[2200] It just is what it is.

[2201] It just is what it is.

[2202] I got no complaints either way.

[2203] No matter what I did, no matter what happened, no matter any of the controversial stuff that ever happened in my own career, I love everybody.

[2204] I love everybody.

[2205] I love everybody who punched me, everybody that let me punch them, all of my friends and foes.

[2206] Someone should do a special and just call it prime and look at the elite of the elite fighters in their personal.

[2207] prime.

[2208] In their prime.

[2209] Just only look at, I mean, whether it's Ernesto Hoost over in K1, or whether it's, you know, George St. Pierre when he was a welterweight champion.

[2210] Like, look at people when they're in their prime.

[2211] Look at you when you were the lightweight champion, in your prime.

[2212] Look at Anderson when he was middleweight champion in his prime and just analyze how exceptional these performances were.

[2213] And just do like a breakdown of the evolution of martial arts, of mixed martial arts, because it's one of the rare sports, PJ, where we.

[2214] were there.

[2215] We saw it early on.

[2216] I mean, I watched my first one when I was 94 and it was at a video store.

[2217] I got it at a video store like right after it came out, they released it as a video.

[2218] I didn't watch it live and it was like UFC 2.

[2219] And then from then on, I've been watching.

[2220] I think that was my, the first fight I ever saw was Pat Smith sitting on and boom boom and that elbow.

[2221] With that ninja guy.

[2222] Yes.

[2223] Remember that guy was practicing like ninjitsu?

[2224] And we don't know much about him because he's a ninja.

[2225] Isn't that what they said?

[2226] Yeah.

[2227] Well, he was doing all these ninja warm -up moves in like the video Scott Morris or something right I think that was his name I don't remember but that was wild and I remember the elbow one yeah because I talked to Remcoe on Instagram Remcoe Pardue yeah and I go hey I think that might have been the first fight that I saw that was against Orlando Viet yeah I remember Orlando Viet was a badass Muay fighter he was right was he good I didn't know about him He was very good, yeah, very good Muay Thai fighter.

[2228] He was a Europe guy, okay.

[2229] I think he was, I want to say Holland?

[2230] I might be wrong.

[2231] I don't remember, but he was a very good Muay guy.

[2232] And he looked great, but Remko got him in, like, and he was huge Redo side control and just blasted him, yeah.

[2233] That was crazy.

[2234] Do you remember when Ramco fought Marco Huas, and Marco Huas got mounted and he just tapped?

[2235] Because back then, everybody thought someone mounted you, it was over.

[2236] Right.

[2237] Remember those days?

[2238] Yeah, yeah.

[2239] I forgot that he fought Marco.

[2240] Marco just mounted him and he tapped.

[2241] Was that when Marco kicked Paul Varland's legs?

[2242] The same tournament?

[2243] I don't know if it was the same tournament, but that was that era.

[2244] Remember, Marco, they had three question marks on his age.

[2245] Like he'd walk in his age, he would tell me as he was vain.

[2246] Right?

[2247] He looked like he stepped right off a beach.

[2248] Marco, who lost, he had a perfect body.

[2249] Perfect, perfectly tanned, beautiful man. Big giant guy with huge fucking hands and huge feet.

[2250] Marco Huas was the shit Yep, he was in an animal shit He was like to look at that Come on son Yeah With the speedos Yeah The fuck out of here man Marco Huas was the fucking man An animal Yeah Marco Huas was the man And we all wanted to see him Fight Hickson and all that Remember?

[2251] Well he was the first guy That you could utilize leg kicks And stop a guy And chop him down He didn't know that Yeah he was really the first guy And then Mori Smith did it Oh yeah Then we got to see Ooh this is a real elite level kickboxer doing it.

[2252] And then Maurice survived against Coleman won the decision.

[2253] Yes.

[2254] I was there for that.

[2255] Wow.

[2256] Yeah, that was back when I was doing the post -fight interviews.

[2257] Okay.

[2258] I remember I couldn't believe it.

[2259] I couldn't believe it.

[2260] Morrice was talking to him while he was kicking him.

[2261] He was like, ground and pound me, Mark.

[2262] Come on, ground and pound me. Whack!

[2263] Ground and pound me. And he was like, moot and Mark was like, motherfucker.

[2264] Right?

[2265] He just kept slamming him with those shins.

[2266] The jiu -jitsu guys came, then the wresters came.

[2267] The strikers came.

[2268] Well, the era of Mark Coleman, that was a big deal.

[2269] That was.

[2270] Because Mark Coleman was $2 .65 and fucking jacked.

[2271] When Mark Coleman entered the scene, everybody got bigger.

[2272] Everybody gained weight.

[2273] Everybody got bigger.

[2274] Everybody was lifting weights.

[2275] You had to keep that fucking gorilla off you.

[2276] Yeah.

[2277] That was during the head butts, no gloves days.

[2278] Mark was telling me, Mark and Kerr, he was telling me, me and Kerr and Kevin, everybody were hanging out and we were all jacked and we were getting ready for the Olympic trials.

[2279] and then we saw Kurt Angle walk in and then we saw Kurt Angle jacked bigger than us and then we all put a head down and knew we were done.

[2280] They couldn't get one over on Kurt anymore.

[2281] That's hilarious.

[2282] That's hilarious.

[2283] Dude, guys like him and Dan Severn, those early wrestlers, so important.

[2284] Severn's still around.

[2285] Severn has a podcast with Don Fry.

[2286] He seemed pretty natural to me, Severn.

[2287] I mean, I don't know.

[2288] I mean, as far as his look.

[2289] He seemed very natural.

[2290] Very natural.

[2291] Yeah, I don't know either.

[2292] But I don't think he ever took anything.

[2293] I bet he didn't.

[2294] Hey, but he was a beast.

[2295] He knew how to wrestle.

[2296] Fuck, yeah, he did.

[2297] Right?

[2298] And he was the first guy we ever saw it get tapped in a triangle.

[2299] Oh, yeah.

[2300] Yeah.

[2301] And then the first guy we ever saw a tap from that, too.

[2302] That's right.

[2303] Coleman got him.

[2304] He tried to dig his eyes and everything.

[2305] Yeah, Colin got him in that judo side control.

[2306] Yeah.

[2307] But imagine, like, jujitsu, like a jujitsu black belt versus a jujitsu blue belt.

[2308] Like, that's how we would have to think that Coleman was.

[2309] was so good at that time at wrestling that there was no way severan would have been able to stop his takedowns and he was so good at wrestling and he was ridiculously strong and he was hungry and that was a no uh no glove fight so they were yeah right it was a no glove fight you get headbut back then it was it was very different you wore shoes mark tells me till today BJ I never thought they'd take out the head butt I never thought of my wild despite yeah he was the king of the headbutt because he would get on top of you, and your guard, man, your guard had to be on point because Mark was trying to smash you with his fucking forehead.

[2310] Yep.

[2311] And when you got a guy who's that big, as big as Mark, with a neck like my waist, he was just slamming into your fucking face with his head forehead.

[2312] That doesn't hurt his forehead.

[2313] His sure as hell fucks up all this shit, though.

[2314] If he's headbutting your nose and your mouth, that's a real weapon.

[2315] That's a real weapon.

[2316] $265 coming at you, holding you against the sense.

[2317] Let me ask you this, B .J. Why is it okay to elbow someone in the face, but it's not okay to headbutt.

[2318] Yeah.

[2319] Like, legitimately, I want to know.

[2320] I think it's for the people outside the ring.

[2321] I think it's, fuck those people.

[2322] We're here to find out who's the best.

[2323] We're here to tell those people how it's supposed to be done.

[2324] Like, this is what the sport is.

[2325] Stop pushing it up while they're still allowed to knee people in the face and shin people in the face and elbow people in the face.

[2326] It's crazy.

[2327] I think when the UFC came out, reality television was out and it was big and the UFC was the reality sport for the gym.

[2328] generation.

[2329] Yeah, it was perfect timing, right?

[2330] Yeah, it lined up perfectly.

[2331] It was really promoted on the internet, on those forums and all those different things.

[2332] Well, once the Ultimate Fighter broke out and that - Then it was done.

[2333] And that big fight between Stefan Bonner and Forrest Griffin in the finals were such a wild fight.

[2334] And everybody was calling their friends up.

[2335] They said, I forget what the numbers were, but at one point in time, it was millions of people were watching it on Spike TV because people had called their friends and go, you got to watch this shit, it's crazy.

[2336] And that took the sport off.

[2337] And that was 2005.

[2338] That Forrest Griffin's death and modified, it really did.

[2339] Is Spike TV dead?

[2340] Is Spike TV dead now?

[2341] Spike TV's gone.

[2342] Wow.

[2343] The UFC left?

[2344] They changed it to the Paramount Network, right?

[2345] And I don't know if that's still around.

[2346] But it's a completely different format.

[2347] Interesting.

[2348] And it was.

[2349] And, you know, that, but that, having that opportunity to get it on television and to do it through a reality show at the time where reality shows were at their peak, it was perfect.

[2350] It was perfect.

[2351] It was just aligned, like the stars aligned.

[2352] And we were waiting for it all this time because, you know, nobody knew that I beat Matt.

[2353] After the ultimate fighter came out, then I'm walking on the road, hey, it's the guy that beat Matt Hughes.

[2354] I'm like, nobody knew that for five years.

[2355] When was the first Matthews fight?

[2356] What year?

[2357] That was 2005.

[2358] Wow.

[2359] Yeah.

[2360] Yeah.

[2361] So that's when everybody got to know.

[2362] Well, when you watch the Ultimate Fighter, one of the cool things about it is you got to see what like a camp of guys training together would look like.

[2363] You got to see all the psychological dynamics that happened in camps.

[2364] And they were sleeping in the same house and have to eat food and then go fight each other.

[2365] And they were fucking with each other's food and shit.

[2366] And it's the emotional fatigue.

[2367] That's what gets everybody, you know?

[2368] Because you train for hours and you trade thousands of hours for this 15 minutes.

[2369] Why are you tired?

[2370] How could you possibly be tired?

[2371] Yeah.

[2372] It's your mind.

[2373] Your mind.

[2374] Anxiety.

[2375] Betch Koha just talked about that.

[2376] She just retired.

[2377] And one of the things she retired about was she's like the psychological burnout.

[2378] Oh, my God.

[2379] It was so real.

[2380] The antidote for anxiety is confidence.

[2381] And I wish I even knew this sooner.

[2382] But I would, when I would be like go to family court, I'm like, oh, man, I just.

[2383] made a bad mistake i hope i don't you know have to get more supervision on my kids or everything and i'd be so anxious and have anxiety to go to family court and then i would tell myself no i'm gonna win tomorrow i'm gonna win when i get in court and it would call me and relax me so i just you know i don't know for anxiety is confidence yeah but that works on you because you have a history of winning i don't see i don't know if that works on everybody Someone who's never won before.

[2384] If you never won shit, you're like, I'm going to fucking win, bro.

[2385] You're going to get knocked out.

[2386] Get out of there.

[2387] You never won't shit.

[2388] That's the fucking brutal reality of life.

[2389] Right.

[2390] It's not even.

[2391] It's not fair.

[2392] Of those, like you said, and that's why Joe Rogan watches all those safari videos.

[2393] I do.

[2394] Because that's the reality of life and the animals.

[2395] What's amazing is they don't feel sorry for themselves.

[2396] They just sit there and they're just going and they're just doing their best.

[2397] You know what's different?

[2398] Predators.

[2399] Predators fight back.

[2400] Predators are horrified when they're getting eaten.

[2401] It's interesting.

[2402] They react so much different.

[2403] They put their butt down because they don't want to get their balls bit off.

[2404] You always see them doing that, right?

[2405] Yeah.

[2406] When you see a predator getting eaten by another predator, it's wild.

[2407] I was watching this video the other day where a crocodile grabbed, I guess it was a jaguar.

[2408] Jaguar or a leopard, I guess it was a leopard because it would have been in Africa.

[2409] But a crocodile grabbed a leopard.

[2410] I'm like, what the fuck, man?

[2411] Right?

[2412] This thing thinks it's a cat running around there, eating things, and it got a little too close to the water, and this fucking crocodile just leaps out and snatches it and drags it into the water.

[2413] It's wild.

[2414] That's great.

[2415] I watch that shit all the time.

[2416] I'm going to go Google that.

[2417] Oh, maybe Jamie will pull it up.

[2418] Well, maybe there's probably multiple.

[2419] Yep, I think this is it.

[2420] He's trying to get that.

[2421] Yeah, he's trying to get whatever that dead thing is.

[2422] Oh, that ain't it.

[2423] It was a much bigger one.

[2424] This is a leopard trying to steal its food.

[2425] The one that I saw was it actually killed the leopard.

[2426] It dragged the leopard into the water.

[2427] It was a big crocodile and the leopard was not that big.

[2428] Because even the lions go after the crocodiles, the alligators sometimes, right?

[2429] Yeah, look at that.

[2430] Lions and the crocodiles.

[2431] You might not be able to find it.

[2432] What is that?

[2433] Yeah, they'll kill the crocodile on that.

[2434] Oh, yeah, they kill them.

[2435] They sneak up behind him and they get their back.

[2436] Jump on them, right?

[2437] Yeah, they get their back.

[2438] See how he was eating that?

[2439] Go back to that.

[2440] Like, he was in the middle of eating it and it flinched.

[2441] Look, it moved.

[2442] Oh, it's a crocodile.

[2443] Took it from him.

[2444] So is that a, what is that?

[2445] Oh, that's like an antelope.

[2446] I thought he was eating a crocodile.

[2447] I was confused.

[2448] That's such shit resolution.

[2449] I couldn't even see what he was eating.

[2450] That's all right.

[2451] Don't worry about it.

[2452] But the point was that this leopard had gotten too close and this crocodile just snatched him right out of the river and it was wild.

[2453] That's the story of life.

[2454] That's the story of life right there.

[2455] Do you think that, like, as a fighter, you experience life?

[2456] it had like in a different frequency than most people.

[2457] Like the amount, the intensity of your life, particularly while you were the champion, particularly while you on that reign of terror.

[2458] What was your reign of terror if you had to give it like time frame?

[2459] You know, I did like, I felt like I've had two careers.

[2460] One was the, when I beat Matt Hughes, well, I fought Gomi and then took that to fighting Laoto Machita.

[2461] Then I came back into the UFC.

[2462] When did you fight Ludwig?

[2463] Did you fight Ludwig during that same time?

[2464] Right before Machita, I fought Ludwig.

[2465] And then I came back into the UFC and that was my second career in the UFC.

[2466] But you were better.

[2467] You mean, you were always wild, but you were even better.

[2468] Like you kept getting better and better.

[2469] Like up until like, like, when I see like Sean Shirk fight and Diego Sanchez fight, I'm like, I put that BJ pen up against almost anybody who's ever lived.

[2470] That was the hungest.

[2471] That's what I always said.

[2472] You could see it in those days.

[2473] There was those days where you, I want to say, I don't think there's an especially one, but the Diego was even more impressive because the pace you fought at.

[2474] because you had had problems at some fights with endurance and you had none in that fight you had a wild pace man and Diego who's known for his fitness was the one that was backing up constantly and he was the one who was in trouble and you just put it on him man that was a super and you know one of the things that Steve Maxwell had said he was a guy who trained Diego on strength and conditioning he's an amazing strength and conditioning coach he said that for certain fights like that it's almost a bad thing to be in good shape because you're just going to get a beating longer he said there's a lot of truth a lot of truth because Diego was so determined to not go down so is there ever been a dude who has more dog in him than Diego Sanchez I couldn't believe when I rocked him the first one and he went down and I hit him like it must have been 20 or 30 times as hard as I could and then he got up I was like and I'm like well I'll just do this all night then okay because you're getting nervous too, right?

[2475] I can't believe you did that.

[2476] Well, okay, let's just keep doing this.

[2477] Did you think, like, do you think at those moments where you really hit the gas?

[2478] Do you think, okay, now I got to back off?

[2479] Do you go, okay, this guy's still here?

[2480] Let me keep testing him?

[2481] Or do you, like, try...

[2482] Like, in that fight, you didn't have to worry about your fitness at all.

[2483] Only killer instinct is what you say.

[2484] I'm going to get him.

[2485] I'm going to kill his...

[2486] That's why that strength and conditioning program for you is so important.

[2487] Because you didn't have to think in any other way.

[2488] You could just go for it, and you knew you had this crazy gas tank and the skills are always there the natural attack instinct is always there and it's almost more than knowing you have a crazy gas tank just forgetting about right tiredness don't think about it yeah you can just fight that makes sense because during those days but but again the sean shirk fight i think was in that league you fuck you fucked him up when he was at the top of his game too but but like you said i i think the stress the stressors that we have been through in our lives is, is, takes us to a higher level.

[2489] And I remember it was Gilbert Melendez's boxing coach.

[2490] I met him through a couple other friends, Dr. Pete and different people that he had a gym that it was for businessman, but they did MMA training.

[2491] And it was to up their thresholds of what they can take and what they can handle, whether it's, you know, giving up, oh, I can't do quitting or sparring or whatever it was.

[2492] And there's a lot, there's a lot to that.

[2493] I think there's a, you know, we have ups and downs all day, every day, but we've had some ups and downs in our lives, right?

[2494] All of us have, and being around martial arts and being in a stress situation and being able to push through.

[2495] And coaches, you know, there was this bill that they were trying to pass in Hawaii that would give coaches' salary for schools instead of them just being volunteer.

[2496] And it's true.

[2497] We have to raise warriors.

[2498] We have to raise people because is the math teacher and the science teacher going to say, hey, come on and inspire you and say, get up.

[2499] You can bust through that line and you can do these things, you know.

[2500] But there's a lot of value in the people that want to coach for free.

[2501] I'm not saying they shouldn't be compensated, but if something is an amateur thing and someone can afford to coach for free, there's a lot of guys out there that really enjoy doing that.

[2502] 100%.

[2503] I'm not saying they shouldn't get money.

[2504] And those guys should still be around if they want to go in an ad.

[2505] Yeah, but you know what I mean?

[2506] I mean, there's obviously coaches that get paid.

[2507] but man it's um when you're getting into a thing like mma it's such a big sport now but when you get down to like the lower levels like some shit is very bush league like the way they match people up you know you know what i mean 100 percent like you have to sell tickets like bobby green was explaining that shit to us that you'd have to sell a certain amount of tickets to be in order to be able to fight so like they give you like BJ you want to fight on my card you'd have to sell like 50 tickets but you got to go sell those that's crazy Right?

[2508] It's crazy.

[2509] No, it is very Bush League.

[2510] There's a lot of that shit out there.

[2511] There is.

[2512] And that's why we gotta love the UFC.

[2513] Yes, right?

[2514] For sure.

[2515] They do.

[2516] You might have liked what you got paid, but you got your money.

[2517] You're never going to say that you didn't get your money.

[2518] They always give you your money.

[2519] Always.

[2520] I had that very conversation with a coach about that today.

[2521] Yeah, that's a fact.

[2522] One of his fighters was talking about boxing and he said, listen, you need to understand that the amount of people that get that big pay day is very small.

[2523] And you need to understand that a lot of these guys, they get into lawsuits.

[2524] Like right now, Logan Paul still hasn't got paid for Floyd Mayweather.

[2525] Mike Tyson had some real serious issue about his money.

[2526] Roy Jones Jr. had some serious issue about his money.

[2527] Like there's problems with boxing and money with the wrong promoters, right?

[2528] You get with the right promoters, everything's smooth, develop a nice relationship.

[2529] You never hear about Canello not getting paid.

[2530] Canllo gets fucking paid.

[2531] Right?

[2532] You know, the Gypsy King gets paid.

[2533] But there's some scumbags out there in all sports businesses.

[2534] I remember always hearing that about that in Japan.

[2535] Like, BJ, if you're leaving UFC and you're going to go fight over there, make sure you get your money when you step into the ring.

[2536] Well, man, how about Bob Sap?

[2537] They didn't even let him sign a contract.

[2538] He's like, I'm not fighting unless you give me a fucking contract.

[2539] And they're like, fight first, then contract.

[2540] And he was like, uh -uh.

[2541] And so they canceled the headliner event.

[2542] And Bob Sap was fucked after that.

[2543] It became a real problem.

[2544] I remember me, Gary Goodridge and Bob Sapp were standing in the back for K -1 heroes.

[2545] And Bob Sap is crying and nervous in the back because he didn't want to go out and fight.

[2546] He was scared.

[2547] Wow.

[2548] And Gary Goodridge is like, come on, Bob, get up, be a man, get out there, let's go.

[2549] And I'm like, looking at these guys.

[2550] And these guys are 300 pounds.

[2551] And I'm like, I wasn't scared.

[2552] I was ready, you know?

[2553] I knew I was there.

[2554] But it's just interesting, the different mindsets.

[2555] I was like, I wish I was as big as you, Bob.

[2556] Imagine what would happen.

[2557] That's hilarious.

[2558] Oh, my God.

[2559] He was so big, too.

[2560] He was.

[2561] He was a big guy.

[2562] He was big, but remember when Murko Krocop knocked him out with one punch?

[2563] Right?

[2564] Merko Krokop is probably at least 100 pounds lighter than him.

[2565] Well, he's another guy, too, where you've got to say, in his prime.

[2566] His prime.

[2567] Yeah, and his prime, like when he knocked out Vandlerley, how about when he caoed Vandalee with that high kick?

[2568] Yep.

[2569] Holy shit.

[2570] Like, certain fights, like, Fedor, Krocop.

[2571] Yep.

[2572] John Jones, Cormier, like, when the two.

[2573] Nogera, Nogera in his prime.

[2574] Yes, the two top guys.

[2575] fighting, you know, I didn't sit down and watch the Comzat fight, but I probably would have like, because that's all I care about now.

[2576] Like, okay, the two best in the world they're going to be in the ring on that day, okay, maybe I'll come watch.

[2577] If not, I don't watch like I used to.

[2578] Did Nogara fight Fador after he fought Bob Sap?

[2579] Because if that's true...

[2580] I think he fought him three times is why.

[2581] Right.

[2582] The first time did he fight him after Bob Sap?

[2583] Because the Bob Sap fight was when he was the champion, right?

[2584] It took out of both guys.

[2585] And there's a lot of truth to that when they say that.

[2586] Nogera, the pile driver in the beginning.

[2587] Right?

[2588] There's a lot of truth in the animal kingdom and in everywhere.

[2589] If you're walking to the forest, why fight with the other toughest guy?

[2590] You guys are both not going to be the same after.

[2591] Yeah.

[2592] Even if you win.

[2593] And there's a, you know, just go eat the little animal over there.

[2594] Why is the jaguar going to go fight the panther or whatever?

[2595] Because he wants to spread that seed.

[2596] Yeah, that too.

[2597] He wants his babies to survive.

[2598] That too.

[2599] That's what's fucked about animals.

[2600] But you got to choose on the right day.

[2601] animals they have a ruthless system when the male animal conquers he kills all the babies that the other male left behind right that's what's wild like they know what they're doing they're trying to protect their genetic heritage and that's the competition how do they know that how do they don't think it's much different than the competition to be the lightweight champion i think it's the same kind of thing how did bj know he wants to be the like how did bj know he has to kick all of their asses to get the belt same way imagine if you have a pride alliance that's your community That's your world, right?

[2602] Your world is the United States and the rest of the world that can watch you fight.

[2603] But the people that are, the things that are watching a lion fight are just the other lions.

[2604] So there's a certain amount of lions, and one decides he's the motherfucker.

[2605] And so he has to attack the other lion.

[2606] And then maybe lions jump in and help him and kill the old lion, and then he takes over the throne.

[2607] And then he has to control that situation.

[2608] And the first thing he's going to do is kill that lion's babies.

[2609] Right?

[2610] Yep, because Run around, kill all his sons Because they will grow up Like every movie That we've ever watched They will grow up and kill you The male, unless it's his babies It doesn't have a chance His babies are the only ones Yep He does not want any other male babies around It's fuck ruthless shit Nature's so ruthless And he's not gonna be like The stepfather You know, my daughter Tells me the other day Dad A stepdad is a man who stepped up I go, you're right Stepdad's a man who stepped up You know, but that's not going to be the lion's job.

[2611] Not in the lion world.

[2612] There's no step to fuck all that Lion King shit.

[2613] They're ruthless.

[2614] Right?

[2615] They're so ruthless.

[2616] They are.

[2617] And you're ever seeing like a lion's head up close?

[2618] You're like, it's so big.

[2619] Right?

[2620] Yeah.

[2621] It's so big.

[2622] It's so much bigger than you think it is.

[2623] You know what?

[2624] You're making a good point talking about that.

[2625] You ever see a lion's head up close?

[2626] They're so big, B .J. Amazing.

[2627] They're so big.

[2628] It's such a big animal.

[2629] and what is it he's not the biggest animal in there he's not the fast he's not the biggest because that's the elephant not the fastest yeah but his mind he's the enforcer he's the enforcer and that's what's wild is that the females are running it's really the only animal that you can point to where the females do the majority of the hunting yeah right that's they go off and they go and hunt because with wolves they all hunt together but they all hunt like males hunt females hunt they all hunt but not with lions the females hunt he just relax he just hangs back and waits he just waits when it's time to come to visit my bedroom then you guys come back with the food and help he's sitting there's also the fighting thing that's why he's got all that fur that crazy mane is to protect his neck that's what that's for to protect his neck give you a like a mouthful of hair before you can get to his jugular right which is so crazy.

[2630] That's amazing.

[2631] It's amazing.

[2632] Yeah.

[2633] And it's an amazing world we live in.

[2634] It's an amazing world.

[2635] But it'd be better if people had more rights.

[2636] Be better if people weren't fucked with by the government, right, B .J?

[2637] Yeah.

[2638] And people always say, what's your platform?

[2639] What's your platform?

[2640] And yeah, we want less government.

[2641] We want less taxes.

[2642] We want less regulations.

[2643] Did you say recreational marijuana?

[2644] That's what I heard.

[2645] I'm not against recreational marijuana.

[2646] Yeah.

[2647] I'm for marijuana.

[2648] I'm for hemp also.

[2649] But you know what else you're for?

[2650] Discipline and hard work.

[2651] And those are the two things that get they get thought of as mutually exclusive.

[2652] People want to think of like potheads as being lazy.

[2653] It's not true.

[2654] No. It's not true.

[2655] It's not true.

[2656] This is this isn't the land of handouts.

[2657] It's the land of opportunity.

[2658] You know, and that's what that's over here.

[2659] But what marijuana's benefits are is it's great for inflammation.

[2660] It helps a lot of people sleep.

[2661] It makes people nicer.

[2662] It makes you think about things in a different way.

[2663] It makes you maybe reconsider the way you're behaving or the way you're acting or what you're about to do or not about to do.

[2664] Makes you think, like, maybe I need to fucking get on the horse and get going.

[2665] I need to do something with my life.

[2666] I'm starting to freak out.

[2667] You're right about that.

[2668] You're right about that.

[2669] It's not bad.

[2670] It's not bad.

[2671] And we need to stop treating grown adults like their children and capable of making their own decisions.

[2672] And that's what it is when the government tells you that you can't take something that's never killed anyone ever and a lot of people find beneficial.

[2673] If so many people find it beneficial and you don't even use it, how are you informed and wise enough to tell grown adults what they can and can't do with something they enjoy that you have no personal knowledge of?

[2674] 100%.

[2675] It's something that isn't, it's very difficult to study because it was a Schedule 1 drug.

[2676] It is a Schedule 1 drug.

[2677] I am for recreational marijuana and I believe it could really help our economy over there.

[2678] I hope that the federal government fixes that.

[2679] That's what I really do.

[2680] I know that it was, what did they pass it through the House and now it has to go to the Senate?

[2681] Is that what it is?

[2682] It could sit there for a long time, though.

[2683] How long could it sit there for?

[2684] They don't have to vote on it.

[2685] Not if Governor Penn gets involved.

[2686] He's going to be running up the stairs of the Capitol, raising his fist in the air.

[2687] What's, we always laugh and say, what laws more power for the state or federal?

[2688] Whoever pays for it, Whoever paid for that?

[2689] Who paid for that?

[2690] What are the advertisers want?

[2691] We just got to get the advertisers on a good path.

[2692] Get all the advertisers doing things that are only beneficial for people.

[2693] But that's what we need to do over there in Hawaii because it's a bankrupt state and that's when you're going to stick your handout and that money that we get from Washington that comes with whips and chains.

[2694] You want to be able to have your option to, you know, that's why you want your economy.

[2695] You want your economy strong and you want your surplus up there.

[2696] and we want to pull it out of a welfare state.

[2697] Hawaii's been a welfare state all this time, and we want to...

[2698] Does that involve bringing industries to Hawaii?

[2699] Like, how do you account for, like, jobs for all those people in a sort of a self -sustaining way?

[2700] Is that possible to engineer?

[2701] We need some new industries, you know, we need some things.

[2702] Because there's a lot of tourism.

[2703] Yeah, tourism is everything right now.

[2704] And like I said, the planes come in, and they don't leave with anything, you know?

[2705] So we need, you know, we need stuff.

[2706] to export and we need we got to get our farming situation held handled too because every time a new hurricane comes in and all those things and then they tell everybody get down and buy fill up your groceries buy everything at the grocery store buy all the gasoline you can and you know and then where everybody's panicked do you know there's a wood that i think only comes from hawaii is it sandal wood yeah i think it's koa oh yeah koa i think that's only in hawaii which is wild yeah coa See if that's true.

[2707] Is that true that it's only, it might have been somewhere of Polynesian.

[2708] I think it's a native tree.

[2709] I think about like a tree that exists only on this one island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

[2710] Only, yeah, right, here it is.

[2711] The species, Acacia coa only grows.

[2712] Is that how you say it?

[2713] Acacia coa only.

[2714] A coa tree.

[2715] Coa grows only in Hawaii and no place else in the world.

[2716] Sure other species of the acacia family grow at other parts of the world.

[2717] Oh, but none of them are coa.

[2718] Isn't that amazing?

[2719] Isn't that amazing?

[2720] It's amazing.

[2721] Hawaii had all of these different endemic things.

[2722] It is amazing.

[2723] And that they developed on top of the volcano.

[2724] They have a lot of trees and a lot of things, a lot of birds and different things.

[2725] How did the seeds for those trees and all those native plants, how did they get there?

[2726] You think they got there from birds?

[2727] How did they get to that?

[2728] Because the island had to come out of the ocean, right?

[2729] Right.

[2730] Or was it bigger and the waters were lower during the ice ages?

[2731] I don't, it makes you wonder.

[2732] because they've never found like a like a full like Polynesian voyaging canoes and any of those stuff they kind of just they just kind of made it off of like paint like like a petroglyphs and stuff and they're like oh here's the Polynesian canoe here's how they had it but Captain Cook never seen those but I don't want to get into big arguments with all the people because that's what they say that's how they came over right they came they came across the ocean were the best sailors and then the story in Hawaiians for their myth or whatever is that then they burned the boats later and everybody got stuck there and then they couldn't leave one of the priests made them burn the boats you know for power and control or who knows we just don't know what happened no I mean I'm native Hawaiian my mother's half native Hawaiian but I mean what we don't know what year do they think Hawaiians land what Polynesian people landed there I think I think like a thousand years ago type thing just a thousand years ago yeah I got I gotta be what does it say on Google When did the Hawaiians get to Hawaii?

[2733] First settled as early as 400 C .E. Whoa.

[2734] But some of the Hawaiian words in our language, you know, like you got Amor in Spanish is love, and then you got Amo in Portuguese, and then you got Aloha, Aloha, and you got Ali 'i is chief, and I just think, Ali 'i, well, that's the elite or whatever.

[2735] You just see so many words that look like Latin, And it's just, but it's one of the oldest languages or whatever, but it's just weird.

[2736] Just our whole thing is just, life's just weird.

[2737] I wonder if this estimate of 1 ,500 years, or whatever it is, has been substantiated.

[2738] Or if it's like a rough guess based on artifacts that they've already discovered.

[2739] Because it's one of those things where they keep finding, like in North America, it used to be Clovis first.

[2740] They used to think that the Clovis people were the first people that got here.

[2741] Who were the Clovis.

[2742] The Clovis were an ancient group of Hunter Gavis.

[2743] gatherers that lived here, and they're identified by a sophisticated style of point, the Clovis points, and it comes from a specific era that they think these people came through.

[2744] But now they've abandoned that, and then they think there are people here far before the Clovis people, way before, thousands and thousands of years.

[2745] I remember I was reading something, and it was like, Russia was the biggest, and then they went to make a new Moscow, so they went over through Alaska, and then you say Moscow, then you say Moshkals and you say Mexico and Mexico City was this whole thing but I love history I love reading through all that stuff but what you're saying is that if people had been on Hawaii since the ice age so if we're going back 12 ,000 years ago right if people got there because there were people around back then uh -huh at that point in time the the levels of the sea would have been way lower you would think there's way more no it's a fact they know they know that and maybe it would have been as hard to miss but I don't know if that area Like, I wonder how close ground would be to that area.

[2746] Like, if the sea levels were far lower because of the ice age, which they definitely were, I wonder how much water you'd have to traverse to get to Hawaii.

[2747] To get to, exactly.

[2748] Was it big like Australia?

[2749] You know, how big was it when the waters were low?

[2750] Right.

[2751] Because how did they find it just a little space and a little place in the middle of nowhere?

[2752] I wonder when it came about.

[2753] Like, when do they think Hawaii came out of the ocean?

[2754] That's another good one.

[2755] What year would you think it would be?

[2756] I mean, that's when they talk about the Earth's going to millions of years old.

[2757] It's got to be old.

[2758] Was Hawaii when the waters were lower?

[2759] Was Hawaii something like in Australia, another continent over there?

[2760] Because it's still, it's the most isolated place as far as from everywhere else.

[2761] To shore.

[2762] It really, what we're saying here is very interesting because if it turns out that Hawaii is millions of years old, which I think it is, and then if it turns out that this was like, pre -ice age when the sea levels were very, very low in comparison to what they are today.

[2763] I wonder how much difference it was.

[2764] Right.

[2765] Because if there was people back then and there was people traveling back then, I wonder what it was like.

[2766] And they track our language all the way to like Taiwan, to the natives of Taiwan, like an Austronesian.

[2767] And it's kind of like the Asians came down and then the Aborigines were here.

[2768] Then the Asian and Aborigines mixed up and turned into the Polynesians.

[2769] Wow.

[2770] Right?

[2771] with the big nose and the eyes like this with the big nose and the curly hair and then they all came across you know and so many warriors that's another thing think about how many fighters have come out of Hawaii oh man from Max to Yancey I was just watching him fight the other night and chemo me and everybody and that's why I mean Hawaii is so big for their sports you know we gotta we gotta get our stadiums going again we talk about even ensign ensign and Egan Enson and Egan, B's.

[2772] Right, yeah.

[2773] Those are the OGs.

[2774] Those are the guys who let us know we could do it.

[2775] Shout out to the Inuways.

[2776] Yeah, oh, I love those guys.

[2777] I just saw Egan the other day.

[2778] But Ensign going out, he armed Randy Couture.

[2779] Yes.

[2780] He fought in the UFC.

[2781] I remember watching.

[2782] Remember he's throwing those kicks off his back?

[2783] Yep.

[2784] He was amazing.

[2785] And remember he fought Royce Alger?

[2786] I remember that one?

[2787] I was there for that.

[2788] Yep, Rice Alger.

[2789] Yeah, he broke his arm.

[2790] Enson was the guy who let me know that, hey, people from Hawaii.

[2791] we can do it, we can get in there, we can fight, you know, and there's such heroes, all of them.

[2792] Yeah, man. Wasn't Dennis Alexio from Hawaii too?

[2793] Well, he moved to Hawaii, but he was, yeah, he was there fighting and kicking everybody's body.

[2794] When he was world champion.

[2795] Yes, the Terminator.

[2796] Yeah.

[2797] And I met Egan when I was a kid, he was the world racquetball champion.

[2798] That's right.

[2799] And my uncle played racquetball, and we all went to a place called Fort DeRusi, a beach area, and Egan competed in the tournament and wiped everybody out.

[2800] him wasn't he like uh didn't he hold a world record at one point or some kind of a record for free diving holding that too that too and he would just break the balls when he'd hit the ball he'd break the ball yeah he's he's now he's like surfing and he's whatever he wants to do he's gonna be the best at it that's egan nice always well bj it's been an honor have you in here man it's always been cool to be a friend and uh respect and as a fan thank you very much for all those years of amazing, amazing fights.

[2801] And I really sincerely believe that you want to do well for the people of Hawaii.

[2802] And I think it would be amazing if you could pull it off.

[2803] I think it would be fun.

[2804] Thank you, Joe.

[2805] And just good luck in everything you do, brother.

[2806] Thank you.

[2807] All right.

[2808] proud of all your success myself.

[2809] Thank you, sir.

[2810] Thank you.

[2811] Thank you.

[2812] Bye, everybody.