JRE MMA Show #88 with Frankie Edgar

[0] Boom.

[1] What's up, Frankie?

[2] How are you, bro?

[3] Good to see you, man. Yeah, good to be here.

[4] Good to have you.

[5] We talked about this many times.

[6] We have.

[7] You know, my buddy, Chris Legore, I got to shout him out because he got me listening to you years ago, and he's been telling me to come on this podcast forever.

[8] So I'm glad to finally get it done.

[9] So shout out to Chris.

[10] I know he's listening.

[11] Hi, Chris.

[12] So you got your own podcast now?

[13] I do.

[14] Me and Roger Matthews from Jersey Shore Fame.

[15] He was the ex -husband of Jay Well.

[16] So the champ and the tramp.

[17] Champ and the Tramp.

[18] That's what you guys called.

[19] Yeah, champ in the champ.

[20] That's hilarious.

[21] That's hilarious.

[22] So what's happening, man?

[23] You just got off of the Shansung -jong -jong fight.

[24] Yeah.

[25] And what's next?

[26] What are you up to?

[27] I'm going to go down 35.

[28] Yeah?

[29] You know.

[30] How much you walk around at?

[31] I'm probably like 56 right now.

[32] Wow.

[33] You know, so for 45, well, for 55.

[34] Marlon's got to be bigger than you, right?

[35] Marlon is about a little bit bigger than me, yeah, I think so.

[36] I think he walks around a little heavier.

[37] He's a little bit more of an eater than I am.

[38] Dude, that guy, I have a hard time believing he makes 35 sometimes.

[39] so you look at him.

[40] He's so jacked.

[41] He's got such a small waist, though, but his legs and shoulders are so big, but his waist is kind of small, so maybe that's how he carries it.

[42] So have you done a cut like that before?

[43] I haven't been, but I mean, even my last fight, I think I was, you know, getting down to 45, got down to like 44 .5.

[44] I mean, it's only 8 .5 over where I got to be to make 36, and it was such an easy cut for this last time.

[45] So it's, you're an interesting situation, man, because, like, you won the title at 55, and you didn't cut any weight at all.

[46] And a lot of people were like well fuck man if frankie edgar can do because you the thing about you at 55 was you were so durable like that was one of the craziest things about some of your fights like the gray maynard fights yeah fucking a man who who refs those fights um eve levin both of them no the first one the second one i think was josh rosenthal well shout out to both of those guys yeah because uh a trigger hungry referee who's got an itchy trigger finger finger they would stop those fights now i think nowadays some of them might stop it yeah you know Back then, I feel like they let it go a little more.

[47] I mean, of course, there's still sometimes to let it go a little too long now.

[48] It all changes.

[49] You never know.

[50] You never know.

[51] It all changes.

[52] It's such a weird thing, right?

[53] It's like the referee is trying to help the fighter.

[54] They're trying to make sure that the fighter doesn't take unnecessary damage.

[55] But, you know, more than once you see fights stopped, we're like, oh, that guy wasn't done.

[56] Right.

[57] He was getting through a bad patch, and that's part of what a fight is about.

[58] It's like trying to figure out how to survive.

[59] For sure.

[60] I always want the benefit of the doubt.

[61] I don't want to get unnecessary punishment, of course, but I'd rather get to benefit that.

[62] I've never been turned off, even with Ortega and Chan Zung -Jung fight.

[63] I got both those fights, even though I got rocked in my other fights, these fights, I kind of was more coherent.

[64] I'm not complaining about the stoppages or anything like that.

[65] You know, I could see why they stopped it.

[66] But in the gray fights, even the Benson -Henderson fight where I got up kicked, I don't remember any of those fights.

[67] You know, I don't remember like three, four rounds of those fights.

[68] Just because it was so wild Because of getting hit Yeah, because I got hit And I kept getting hit Maybe that's what I didn't remember The Ortega fight I got rocked pretty good And I remember in my head saying All right, there's your time left Let's get through it Obviously didn't make it to the end And you know But I remember being coherent Even this last one with Korean zombie I remember the ref saying You know, you got to do something down there I got to do something down there And I was trying to do my best My body maybe wasn't reacting to the way I needed to be But yeah You know I never been turned off you know i i don't know if that's a good thing or not but uh i don't know if it's a good thing either it's like some people say if you get turned off it's better because then you you're you don't absorb as much punishment i heard that argument but then if you do get turned off your body gets turned off easier next time that's that's pretty true yeah well it seems like it seems like yeah guys that get cracked they kind of continue to get cracked and and get rocked a little easier um i'm hoping that's not the case for me well it's not it's more of the actual knockout itself.

[69] Yeah.

[70] I think.

[71] Like a bad knockout, yeah.

[72] It's crazy that you have had a bunch of fights where you don't remember most of the fight.

[73] Like that, that's a thing that a lot of fighters don't necessarily talk about, but it's a reality of hard fights.

[74] Yeah.

[75] My second fight with Gray, where Eve Levine was the referee, I remember, I think the fourth round, Mark, my coach Mark was like, you know, telling me, we got one more round.

[76] In my head, I'm like, one more round.

[77] What happened to three and four?

[78] I didn't remember at all.

[79] And also, when I dropped me, I rolled my ankle really bad.

[80] I probably get a great two sprain.

[81] And I remember in the fourth round coming two, and my ankle was hurting me. I'm like, what happened?

[82] I have no idea what happened to my ankle.

[83] And even walking back, you know, I was kind of, you know, I don't know.

[84] Sometimes when you get rocked, you get depressed for some reason.

[85] I noticed that even in the gym.

[86] When I get, when I get rocked, I get a little bit of depression going on for some reason.

[87] Like, what does it feel like when you say depression?

[88] Like, my middle bowl, you know, you're just down on yourself, you know?

[89] Um, I was emotional.

[90] I think it was crying after the gray fight in the, in the locker room.

[91] I think they, they have camera back there, and there's a video of me. Even the second fight when you stopped him.

[92] Not the second fight, but the, the second, well, that was the second fight, not the third fight.

[93] The third fight you stopped him.

[94] The third fight you stopped him.

[95] The second fight you had with Gray were so crazy.

[96] They were so, he was so big.

[97] Yeah, he was a big boy, man. He was so big for 55, you know, and you were a guy who didn't cut any weight at all.

[98] Nothing.

[99] I was, I literally would eat breakfast on Wayne.

[100] day.

[101] Wow.

[102] That's crazy.

[103] Yeah.

[104] Did you ever think back then about dropping it down?

[105] Or were you just like, fuck it.

[106] I'm the champ.

[107] Why should I?

[108] Well, that's why.

[109] I was like, I'm the champ.

[110] Why should I go down?

[111] I mean, I'm winning.

[112] I'm beating these guys.

[113] Even the Benson -Henters fights, they were super close.

[114] You know, I could have win either way.

[115] But I just felt, you know, I'll go down now.

[116] I lost two in a row here.

[117] What more can I gain from here?

[118] Let me go down to 45.

[119] And that's when I fought out, though, for the 45 -pound belt.

[120] When you think about it, like if you had a chance, to do it all over again like if you had to engineer your career all over again would you do it exactly the same way would you fight a 55 well you definitely would against bj right yeah i mean i can't you can't go back and change those things right right right you know it all worked out for me you know i got a world title um i had a pretty you know i'm continuing to have a pretty good career uh there's always things you wish you could do differently you know you just i can't be that guy that's gonna say i wish i did this wish to do that things went the way they went well they went pretty fucking good i mean yeah i'm not complaining especially the bj pen fight i remember the first one in abudabi uh i was there for that one i was like holy shit yeah you know that was that was a big victory man and the second one too that was big yeah the second one was big yeah the second one just because i you know more definitively won you know and um i felt like too like you know bj had my back in uh in that second fight and uh you know everybody thought you know b j get your back then you're in trouble and i was able to defend i think it reversed So I kind of showed a little bit of all my complete skills in that fight.

[121] Out of all the guys that I've ever seen fight, I've never seen anybody who controls people with the legs the way BJ does.

[122] He's got the craziest dexterity in his legs.

[123] He does.

[124] I heard when he was younger he could stand up and put his leg over his head standing up.

[125] Jesus Christ.

[126] I don't know if that's true.

[127] Like just lift it up and put it back there?

[128] Like not even grab it?

[129] Yeah, not even grab it, put it over his head.

[130] I don't know if that's true.

[131] We've seen him jump out of the pool too.

[132] That's pretty wild.

[133] Yeah.

[134] No, he's an incredible athlete And his physical talents Were unusual, but he worked on it Like this other thing a lot of people don't realize Like there's some great videos of BJ stretching And he would stretch with bands So he has all this crazy Like he would grab his foot Like put it on his chest He's got bands and he's stretching the shit out of himself So it wasn't just natural ability It was also like he realized Well he realized that his legs Were like other arms Because he when you're in his guard He would just, those legs would come up and just pinch you down and his mount he would cross his legs underneath dudes and his back mount was incredible yeah he was uh one of a kind i think you know on the ground and just as a fighter i mean i looked up to him coming up you know he was the man licking licking blood off his off his hands you know i mean i was actually with him we were did the ufc gym uh 10 year anniversary uh...

[135] just now up in uh concord dana was there and bj was there so i was hanging out with bj Beach is a good dude, man. We get along really well.

[136] Is he done fighting, or what is he going to do?

[137] I don't know.

[138] I think he wants to fight.

[139] I don't think Dana wants him to fight.

[140] But I'm pretty sure.

[141] Crazy brawl in Hawaii.

[142] Yeah, yeah.

[143] Outside of a bar.

[144] I mean, people are also like, oh, look at Pete.

[145] You're getting mad at a fighter for fighting.

[146] You know, come on.

[147] Is it that surprising?

[148] It is a funny way to look at it, right?

[149] Like if a singer gets in a fight, like, what is he doing?

[150] But a fighter fighting, it's like a battle.

[151] basketball player having a pickup game.

[152] Yeah, exactly.

[153] I can't get mad at him for that.

[154] That is kind of weird when you stop and think about it, you know?

[155] I mean, and that's the nature down in Hawaii, I think.

[156] A lot of people get down.

[157] That's how they get down out there.

[158] Yeah, they get down.

[159] Yeah, tough motherfuckers in Hawaii.

[160] Yeah, for sure.

[161] You know, that fight, though, was so sad to watch.

[162] Like, that dude clipped him with the left hook and dropped him and bounce his head off the concrete.

[163] I know.

[164] I was like, fuck, BJ.

[165] Did he say hit me?

[166] He said, he let him hit him.

[167] But then he came back.

[168] He went out.

[169] He flashed out.

[170] went down and then I don't know if the video was continuous or what but later is a video of him having the guys back and smashing him it's like god damn it I mean you gotta be care you never know what happened in the street fight too so that's why you'd be careful guys go home open the trunk come right back yeah that or I mean you should throw someone in their head and they don't wake up you know that's a big one yeah you know that happened to a buddy mine in Long Island Kevin James actually the comedian yeah his his buddy they're working together as as bouncers and he was working with this guy And this guy got in a fight with a patron, punched the guy, knocked him out.

[171] The guy fell, banged his head off the ground, died.

[172] Wow.

[173] Dude wound up doing jail time.

[174] Wow.

[175] And that happens.

[176] I heard the story of some wrestler kind of the same thing.

[177] Got into a fight, picked the guy up, slammed him on his head and ended up in jail.

[178] Oh, my God.

[179] Do you imagine a wrestler, like a Yuel Romero fucking suplexing you on the street?

[180] You ain't getting up for that one.

[181] What in the fuck?

[182] It's over forever.

[183] Absolutely.

[184] Yeah, he'll flatten the top of your head.

[185] You know?

[186] Yeah.

[187] I'm like, oh, God.

[188] He's another freak, man. Oh, he's the fuck.

[189] freakiest freak yeah out of all the freaks you got like brock lesner who's like got some freaky viking jeans like for sure yeah that dude don't make any sense you see you ever see photos of him when he was in high school oh dude look at a freaking high school wow yeah we he russ he was a senior when i was a freshman and we're wrestling nationals together and i remember just looking being next to him like damn how the fuck is this guy even real you know this looks like an action figure yeah he was he was he was the biggest physical freak i think i've ever seen but then You got Inganu, who I think is more of a physical freak.

[190] Yeah, yeah.

[191] You know, Inganu, 265, because I'm 100 % positive in Gano's on the natch.

[192] That guy is all natural.

[193] Yeah, just digging salt mines or whatever, dirt mines, Sam, Mines.

[194] He's got a photo on his Instagram today of him chopping wood.

[195] Everything he does terrifies me. He's so fucking powerful, man. That guy, I have all the guys I've ever seen in the heavyweight division.

[196] he is for sure the most powerful.

[197] That uppercut he landed on Alastrow of Rame was incredible, man. I thought he decapitated him.

[198] Yeah, it's like his head flew.

[199] It's like the back of his head touched his back.

[200] Like there is he.

[201] Oh, man, look at this dude.

[202] He's breaking rocks, I guess.

[203] What the fuck is he doing?

[204] He's hitting a steak into the ground.

[205] That motherfucker has power.

[206] Yeah.

[207] He has like the most ridiculous punching power.

[208] It has to, right?

[209] Oh, yeah, man. Well, he's a natural two -year.

[210] 270 plus and apparently he's been lifting so he's even above 265 right now he's going to have to wait cuts weight yeah that's wow this guy's fighting next uh rozen strike is badass that's a really good fight is he a k1 guy i don't know where he did his kickboxing career pull up uh jarzino rosin strike try spelling that good luck you got it really this dude's the man come on on he knows i don't know how you fucking spelled that correctly but rosent strike the thing that's the thing that scared me about him when he was fighting Alster, it was like he was walking right through Alster's shots, which was the craziest.

[211] And Alistair's no joke.

[212] I mean, he takes people out left and right.

[213] Dude, when he was on the sauce and he fought Brock, when he was Uber -im, here it goes.

[214] So he fought in a bunch of different organizations, danger zone, um, yeah.

[215] Does it, so slam?

[216] Where is he from?

[217] Rosenstrope.

[218] Um, right, let's see.

[219] It says, what's her name?

[220] Suriname.

[221] Sir, isn't that we're...

[222] Did he say it?

[223] Tyrone Spong.

[224] Yeah, yeah, Tyrone Spong's from there, yeah.

[225] Yeah.

[226] Yeah, Spong was supposed to fight Ussick, uh, in, uh, a heavyweight fight.

[227] When Ucic moved up to heavyweight and boxing, you know, Tyrone Spong is all, yeah, he's all boxing now.

[228] Is he?

[229] Oh, he's doing only boxing, yeah.

[230] Did you see his last kickboxing fight?

[231] He was supposed to fight, uh, I don't know, I'm thinking a big baby Miller was supposed to fight.

[232] um jolson that's right yeah joshua right joshua that's right but he's tested positive yeah yeah yeah um tyrant tested positive too yeah that's i was thinking of maybe tyrone tested positive before he was supposed to fight usick but he said it's bullshit and then he i think he was actually cleared of it but it was too late they already set up this other fight for usik he's a dangerous guy i think there's a lot of people that are going to avoid tyrone spong yeah he is hard man he hits fucking hard and he's a savage he's you know his last did you ever see his last kickback boxing fight he broke his leg yeah against um the Turkish Tyson right gosh go what's his name Turkish Tyson right oh Jesus why can't I remember his name he's in the UFC now right yeah you made me forget his name what happened how gohan sock go con go con sock yes Christ it's early I got to wake up sake he's had a tough transition to MMA but he's still a bad motherfucker and in fighting and kickboxing man he was one of my favorite guys ever to watch.

[233] Socky had the nastiest left hand.

[234] He would throw like left hook, left hook, left hook, left hook to the body, left hook to the head, left hook to the body, like bang, bang, bang, you know, like fast as fuck for, and for a heavyweight, ridiculous hand speed.

[235] Yeah, I mean, I feel like all these athletes are just getting better and better as it goes, right?

[236] Oh, yeah, for sure.

[237] It's kind of crazy.

[238] These big guys are athletic as hell too.

[239] When you stop back and think about your first fights in the UFC, when you first got started, like, what stands out?

[240] as being like real different about seeing the younger guys coming up today the young guys just more complete and they're they're more athletic i think back when i first started we were just guys i wanted to fight we were tough guys you know the wrestlers always did well because we're you know competed our whole lives um but now these kids are polished right away you know you're seeing like 20 year old kids with crazy skills yeah they're polished they've been doing it for five years already you see that kid uh edmund shabazzian yes yeah fucking incredible he's like i think he's 21 right and he is just a fucking murderer man yeah it's crazy it's it's amazing that i'm 18 years older than some of these kids you know what i mean that is crazy when do you think you're gonna not do this anymore i don't know you know i always have three three rules is uh as long as as i'm enjoying it and i want to do it as long as i'm competitive i don't want to lose fights to guys i think i should be able to beat and uh as long my body holds up so and how old do you now 38 so for the lighter weight divisions that's older that's older yeah yeah i mean i i feel good my body feels good i mean always always little injuries here and there um but uh i i enjoy it it's still fun you know my last couple fights didn't go to way i wanted to you know what holloway obviously i thought i gave him a pretty good run um he's a very good fight he's a big dude it was tough to to kind of close that range and i was in on some of his some of his legs i just couldn't really move him.

[241] He just felt like he was part of the, part of the, like, a tree, you know.

[242] And then, you know, took that fight with crane zombie and obviously didn't go as I expected.

[243] But, you know, I got to bounce back from this one.

[244] When you think about your preparation, like between when you first started to now, like, as you get older, is there anything that you do differently?

[245] I don't spar as much, I think.

[246] I would spar three days a week, always.

[247] Five rounds, you know, for five -round fights, six rounds sometimes.

[248] Now I kind of do two days a week.

[249] that was a little push pushing pull for me and Mark Mark wants us always sparring a lot Oh really?

[250] He's big into sparring And I kind of am too I feel like the best way To get in shape for a fight Is by fighting You know And we have good sparring partners We're not trying to kill each other Right You know But our team When I first started It was me and a couple guys That really weren't in UFC Now it's just you know It's a bunch of hammers You know You guys That Mark Henry Camp is insane I mean Yeah he's a special guy There's so many Like top flight guys come to him from all around the world.

[251] You know, like Zabit?

[252] Zabit is...

[253] I mean, how do you get from Dagestan to Jersey?

[254] Yeah, they all do this.

[255] They say they're coming.

[256] They all fly to Moscow.

[257] They stay in Moscow for a couple days.

[258] And they go to Brooklyn, stay at Brooklyn for a couple days, and they come down.

[259] So if they say they're coming the next day, it's usually three days later because that's the rounds they make.

[260] Why do they go to Brooklyn first?

[261] I don't know.

[262] There's a big Dagestan community up there.

[263] I guess they get some, I don't know if they take them shopping or something.

[264] But I never knew Dagestan was a place until I heard of Kabib.

[265] Yeah, I mean...

[266] I mean, I've maybe heard about it, but I didn't...

[267] It didn't feature in my mind as like a prominent martial art spot.

[268] Yeah, well, I knew Satyev, the wrestler.

[269] He's from Chechnya, right there, and he was...

[270] I remember watching him when I was in high school, and this guy was just unbelievable.

[271] I think he won, I don't know how many world championships, like 10...

[272] He was in 10 straight world championships with Olympics and Worlds, and he's a Chechen fighter, and that's that area.

[273] This past world championship, Ocentia, Chechnya, Dagestan, which is like the size of Georgia, the state, won the world, just people from that area would have won the world championship in wrestling.

[274] Wow.

[275] I just can't fathom that.

[276] Well, they're just hard people, man. Yeah.

[277] You see that basketball game that they play?

[278] You see Will Harris's films?

[279] Will Harris production, shout out to Will.

[280] Yeah, Will's the man. Will's the man. I love that guy.

[281] He's a cool dude.

[282] He's a great guy.

[283] And he gets embedded.

[284] He does.

[285] He goes to Dagestan.

[286] He hangs out with them.

[287] He eats with them.

[288] He plays that crazy basketball game with them.

[289] And he's like a, he's a semi -professional ball player, too.

[290] Yeah, he's a huge guy.

[291] He could have been like a real, I mean, he had a bad knee injury when he's in college.

[292] But it's hilarious watching them play that basketball game where they grab a hold of each other and drag each other to mat and submit each other.

[293] I used to think I fouled the bad, you know, but at least I dribbled the ball, you know?

[294] It's like rugby slash basketball slash MMA.

[295] Hey, that's probably my only way to get, score some buckets, though.

[296] It's weird, though.

[297] It seems like they might have invented it, right?

[298] It doesn't...

[299] It has to be.

[300] Has to be.

[301] Do you think, like...

[302] I mean, I wonder if it's prominent in Dagestan or it was just that camp.

[303] If they figured out how to do it.

[304] Wrestling, they play handball.

[305] They called handball or we used to call it Gator Ball, where we have like soccer nets or like field hockey nets.

[306] And it's kind of the same thing.

[307] You let three steps.

[308] You could pass the ball.

[309] No dribbling.

[310] And then, you know, it's a bunch of wrestlers playing, so we're all tackling each other and everything.

[311] So we kind of always just did it.

[312] But we never did it with basketball hoops.

[313] So I guess that's a little different.

[314] Well, Will said that that's a little different.

[315] how they warm up they just get out there and like for one hour they'll play this crazy basketball game yeah yeah and then they go train that's what we had we used to deal with the handball or gator ball we used to call it it kind of makes sense that that would be a good way to warm up right because it's competitive you're running around a lot it's fun yeah it's fun instead of just doing the same old routine but it's interesting that even him even kabib with that crazy camp and all those monsters that he trains with makes his way down to aka to train in america that that is something I always wonder, even the guys that come to us.

[316] I'm like, these guys are all so good.

[317] Why don't they just train with each other at home?

[318] But I think they like the fact that they're locked in when they get here.

[319] Yeah.

[320] They have no distractions.

[321] And I think they come here for the coaching.

[322] Yeah, I'm sure.

[323] I think just a different look, a different perspective is probably beneficial.

[324] But just the fact that so many elite fighters from all over the world still want to do their camps, either at ATT or with you guys or AKA.

[325] or, you know, there's just so many different places that they travel to.

[326] Have you ever gone somewhere for a camp or you just locked yourself down?

[327] No, I've always did all my camps in Jersey.

[328] Early in my career though, before, I mean, Mark, I had Mark even before I started training Ricardo and Hanzo and those guys.

[329] I went out to A .K., actually, with Thompson.

[330] I stayed with Charles Thompson.

[331] Chaucer is the man. I love that, dude.

[332] Yeah, he was just here last week.

[333] I know.

[334] I heard, I was listening to him a little bit.

[335] Yeah, he opened his house.

[336] I stayed at his house for a little bit, man. He was a super good dude.

[337] He was He was kind of a veteran at the time when I came in, so he helped me out a little bit.

[338] I said there a couple weeks there hanging out at AKA, and I just wanted to be home.

[339] I know I wanted to be staying in Jersey.

[340] Yeah, well, with your family and everything like that, I get it.

[341] But I think there is probably a benefit for a fight.

[342] Like a lot of great boxers used to go to the Catskills, right?

[343] And they would do their training up there.

[344] And then, like, a lot of guys today, they go to Big Bear.

[345] Right.

[346] Like Triple G goes up there, and a lot of other fighters have their camps up there, De La Jolla always did his camps up in Big Bear.

[347] It's like something about a camp that's very attractive, too, someone thinking about, oh, he's locked down in camp.

[348] Right, right.

[349] You like it.

[350] Yeah, your tunnel vision and all that.

[351] Yeah.

[352] Yeah, I need my family around me. I need my friends around me. You know, I feel good in Jersey.

[353] And I kind of, I felt like I built it.

[354] I built it up.

[355] You know, that's why people come to me now.

[356] You know, not only me, obviously for Mark and Ricardo, probably more so for those guys.

[357] But I showed them that it could be done.

[358] And that's why, you know, we have the, you know, the atmosphere that we do, I think.

[359] That is true.

[360] I mean, you definitely were one of the most successful pioneers of MMA coming out of there.

[361] Yeah, yeah.

[362] So, you know, it's cool to see all these young guys come and train with us.

[363] And we have a pretty good team now.

[364] Plus, Eddie Alvarez is there, and he's, you know, been, he's a pioneer as well.

[365] So when you see Eddie go over to one FC, does any of that ever look attractive to you?

[366] I mean, for sure.

[367] You know, if I actually, I only have one fight left on my contract now.

[368] Oh, yeah?

[369] You know, but I've been in the UFC.

[370] It'll be 13 years I've been in the UFC coming in February.

[371] But you see Mighty Mouse went over there?

[372] Yeah, Mighty Mouse, you know, I mean, money talks, you know?

[373] Yeah, well, especially at this point in your career.

[374] Yeah, exactly, exactly.

[375] But, I mean, honestly, if I was being straight up, where do I want to finish my career, I do want to finish in the UFC, you know?

[376] I mean, I felt like I got in the UFC 5 and 0, you know.

[377] Yeah.

[378] I pretty much grew up here.

[379] That's crazy.

[380] So it'd be nice to finish it here, but, you know, everything has to make sense.

[381] Well, you know, you're still near the top of the heap, right?

[382] I mean, you just fought Max Holloway.

[383] How long ago was that?

[384] In July.

[385] Yeah.

[386] It's not that long ago.

[387] Not too long ago.

[388] And it was close, you know, obviously to fight with Korean zombie.

[389] I mean, I feel like I didn't get a chance to get going.

[390] He got me a good shot.

[391] Motherfucker hits hard.

[392] He does hit hard, you know.

[393] And, you know, I was really down on myself.

[394] That was tough.

[395] That was a tough one.

[396] I was really down on myself for a while.

[397] You know, nobody takes loss as well.

[398] Right.

[399] No one competitive.

[400] Yeah, no one competitive.

[401] And I definitely took it pretty bad.

[402] And Christmas was right.

[403] right here and in my head like i i took the fight on short notice but in my head i never once took a fight and didn't think i was going to win how many how many weeks notice did you take it on two weeks two weeks i was in shape i was training you know not like i was training for a fight but i was training pretty good um and i just believe in myself i thought i was going to go there you know put this dude away and come home and enjoy christmas but it turned out to be the opposite you know and a little depressing during christmas time you try to be nice with your family and you know loving what your family but you know what's weighing over my head is i just got fucking tk oed yeah yeah that's uh the the emotional side of fighting like the emotional side of losses like when you see guys just weeping in their locker room and like remember the hardest one for me was aldo after mcgregor knocked him out and he was just in his locker room just weeping like god damn that dude that's a tough one too because you know that's that's in to stay like in infamy you know what I mean yeah forever always Connor's probably the worst guy because he's gonna tell everybody about it everybody's gonna want to cover it and that's just the way it goes it was such a picture perfect punch too yeah I mean he slides back boom drops that left hand in there I was in the crowd and I was I was told I was getting the winner of that fight and then when it went down like that I just knew that wasn't gonna happen really yeah I just felt it like ah I thought I thought I was gonna win back then we didn't know much about Connor I feel like at that point you know um so i thought aldo was gonna win and i was gonna get a rematch with him and then when when connor did that and then you hear i'm talking about i'm gonna go i'm gonna go up to 55 i'm like damn there goes my chance yeah that the aldo fight was crazy because i think that was the first time that anybody ever really disrespected aldo because aldo was the fucking man for so long i mean the crazy thing about aldo is he's still only 32 years old yeah like we were talking about that with the marlin fight right which is Is he really?

[404] Yeah, no. What do you think?

[405] Well, they've been following him since the WEC.

[406] Yeah, I mean, he was like 20 then, so he kind of has to be 32.

[407] I mean, he was a long fucking time ago, man. You know, I mean, you go back and think about when he knocked out Cubs Swanson with that flying knee.

[408] That was a long time ago.

[409] It was like a double knee, right?

[410] Yeah.

[411] Boom, yeah.

[412] Dude, he was so fucking athletic.

[413] Explosive.

[414] I don't know.

[415] When did he stop throwing leg kicks?

[416] I don't know, man. I would like to ask him.

[417] I wonder if, like, he's got injuries or something like that.

[418] I know when we fought the first time, he threw a leg kick, and then I took him down on it on the second one.

[419] And then he stopped.

[420] That's the last time he threw a leg kick in both our fights.

[421] It's crazy because if you watch his early career, like watch the Yariah Faber fight.

[422] It is one of the most horrific displays of destroying someone's leg you've ever seen in a fight.

[423] Yeah.

[424] And so fast, dude.

[425] Oh, man. No loading.

[426] No, yeah.

[427] That's the thing.

[428] No loading.

[429] He would just just whip those hips in that.

[430] Well, you know, he was a soccer player, like a really good soccer.

[431] Have you ever seen videos of him play soccer?

[432] I've seen him joggle the ball and whatnot.

[433] He's like a pro.

[434] Yeah.

[435] Like, he could have been a professional soccer player.

[436] And I think soccer players, first of all, their legs are so conditioned because they're doing all the...

[437] They're basically sprinting all the time.

[438] They're running up and running back.

[439] And they're going left and right and left and right.

[440] They're always side to side.

[441] Like, they apparently have the highest instances of ACL blowouts.

[442] Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

[443] Oh, yeah.

[444] Yeah, but because of those legs, you know, Aldo just, he was like a whip.

[445] Those legs would just crack.

[446] That's what I thought with him and Marlon were going to fight.

[447] I'm like, ooh, we're going to see some crazy leg kicks, but neither of them really, you know, got him off.

[448] I wonder.

[449] I wonder.

[450] I wonder why Aldo stopped throwing leg kicks.

[451] I really wonder, I mean, he's got to be a good success with his hands.

[452] Some injury.

[453] Yeah, yeah.

[454] Maybe a hip injury, you know.

[455] Yeah, could be.

[456] A lot of those kickboxer guys, as they get older, their hips start falling apart.

[457] You know, it seems to be a big issue with some guys like, John Wayne Parr needs a hip replacement.

[458] Right.

[459] I mean, he just had his last fight.

[460] He won in a boxing match.

[461] Yeah, and I saw that.

[462] Which is great.

[463] Huge for him.

[464] He's a man, dude.

[465] I love that guy to follow.

[466] He's such a good energy, such a positive dude.

[467] And so is his whole family.

[468] He's just like, he's just a great happy dude.

[469] His daughter's got like 30 fights already or something.

[470] She's a beast, man. I think she's like 14 now.

[471] She's a beast.

[472] It's crazy.

[473] Yeah, he's something special.

[474] But that poor guy, he's been fighting over the last year or two with a really fucked up hip.

[475] Yeah.

[476] Like, I mean, it's falling apart, man. They're like, you got to have a hip replacement.

[477] The whole incisage is torn apart.

[478] All right.

[479] I'm not looking forward to the future, man. I'm just, you know what I'm looking forward to?

[480] The future with regenerative medicine.

[481] Well, yeah.

[482] Well, you've had stem cells.

[483] I have some stem cells in my shoulder.

[484] Yeah, we talked about that in Jersey when I saw you.

[485] You don't give it enough time.

[486] I know.

[487] I know.

[488] The thing about the stem cells is it really takes like four or five months before it actually kicks in and starts healing things.

[489] and a lot of guys like yourself, I mean, you don't gather any dust.

[490] You ain't waiting for shit.

[491] Chopin out the bit, man. But that's the problem.

[492] But the one in my shoulder, it did help.

[493] It helped a lot.

[494] And I bet, you know, early onset arthritis.

[495] And they did the Wharton Jelly.

[496] Yeah?

[497] And I got that.

[498] And like six weeks later, you know, I don't know.

[499] I want another round, I feel like.

[500] I don't know if it works like that.

[501] Yeah, another round would definitely help.

[502] Yeah.

[503] But I think, really, Panama is the place for you.

[504] It's right here.

[505] Go down there and get that super soft.

[506] Yeah, my neck's jacked up, too, a little bit, so I'm wondering if they get, I don't know if they help that stuff.

[507] What is it up with your neck?

[508] I got, I guess, stenosis of the neck.

[509] Okay, so your, your discs are shrinking.

[510] Yeah, I have that too.

[511] Yeah, my disc and the holes where the nerve run through is kind of, so I got it.

[512] It's tight, man. Actually, it was kind of like a little bit before Holloway, more and more so after.

[513] I got epidural on my neck, and I was getting the tingles down my arm, weakness in my hand a little bit.

[514] God damn.

[515] And the epidural really didn't even work, but I just did therapy, and it got better.

[516] But it still bugs me a little bit There's a place I think they have an office In Dallas they have one here In Santa Monica And then there's a place in Germany It's called Lifesan Medicine And they do this procedure called Regenicine And regenticine is what You've heard of it Yeah Kobe Bryant, rest in peace He went to Germany To get it back in his day And so did Peyton Manning went out there A bunch of other athletes And Dana Dana actually went out there They do it in U .S. now They do in U .S. now I've had it done on my neck when I had a bulging disc that was doing the same thing my hands were going numb that kind of shit and it fixed it I also had it recently on my lower back because I was getting sciatica same shit that fixed it it's it's basically a more potent version of platelet rich plasma like they heat the blood and they add something to it and it's just a radical anti -inflammatory and it's you know it's good because it's also it's your own blood you know they take your own blood out spin it and do this procedure to it and then it takes like 12 hours i think 10 or 12 hours for the it to become this they it looks like this yellow serum and then this yellow serum they inject into all your discs i'm telling you i had my friend dean del rago down there dean had a real fucked up neck from a car accident some lady he rides motorcycle some lady fucking clipped him and he went flying it fucked his neck up to the point where he's a comedian we're hanging around the comedy store and he gets nervous if anybody comes near him like he's worried someone's going to accidentally bump into him Because he was in so much pain Because he was like real stiff And so I sent him to that Lifespan medicine place And dude he was fixed up Like within a week or two He was back Wow yeah I would love to just be like a pin cushion But he'll get me everywhere Well they can do crazy shit now But it's a lot of money You know If you want to travel To all these different spots But it's There's real benefit in this My hope is that it's like cell phones Remember when fucking cell phones Were giant And they cost a billion dollars They were so expensive and now you can get a cheap phone.

[517] Like, I saw a flip phone the other day, a Best Buy for $50.

[518] Wow.

[519] I was like, you can get a phone for $50.

[520] That's amazing.

[521] Yeah, so hopefully Stenz's all goes that route.

[522] That's what I'm hoping.

[523] And I'm hoping that, see, the problem is, like, health care providers, like, if you have insurance.

[524] Like, insurance doesn't want to cover any of that shit.

[525] No, I know, but doesn't make sense.

[526] It's expensive.

[527] They want to cover a surgery, but the surgery is $30 ,000.

[528] I always wonder, like, what's the politics behind that?

[529] Is there, have they...

[530] I'm sure there's something.

[531] Yeah.

[532] Someone's going to make money.

[533] You know, so it always goes.

[534] The hospital has to deal with the insurance companies and everybody's working together and they're all making money.

[535] But they don't want to cover these things because they're treating stem cells like it's a drug.

[536] And so they're treating it like what you're doing is you're taking a drug.

[537] So these drugs have to go through the same evaluations that the FDA has.

[538] But if they do that, it's kind of literally cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

[539] But the FDA, didn't they just say CBD's no good?

[540] They're so crazy.

[541] Those people are awful.

[542] If they said that, anybody who said CBD's no good, you're awful.

[543] Yeah, for sure.

[544] That shit is so good for you.

[545] Yeah, the oxycotton, I think, is FDA approved.

[546] Yeah, I mean?

[547] Like, come on, what are we doing here?

[548] Well, I think that's the same thing.

[549] They think of CBD as an untested drug.

[550] Right.

[551] But regardless of how many people have positive effects from it and positive benefits from it, the way they look at it is like this stuff is in competition, probably.

[552] with like non -steroidal anti -inflammatories like ibuprofen yeah yeah right but CBD's so much better than all those things yeah I imagine I mean it's natural too like yeah do you do it do you take it I have yeah I take it yep how much you take I mean I'm I'm I'm I need to be a little more consistent with it you know I'm just like you know my wife I'll go get stuff done how do you feel I'm like I feel pretty good I don't know I always feel pretty good so I'm like such a bad gauge on that stuff there's a problem with really mentally tough guys because mentally tough guys don't even think about what things feel like they just go fuck it i'm good i'm just gonna go yeah yeah like like cane literally destroyed his body because he was so mentally tough yeah oh yeah because he's such a fucking savage that he like he had everything blow out on him he did his knees his shoulders his back his neck everything's fucked up when i was went to aka this is before he was in the ufc and i went out there and i seen him sparring with i think paul bintello some other like UFC guys and they were just rotating on this and he was just putting these dudes away and there was rolling out I'm like who is this kid dude that guy's gonna be good I'm like no shit before he came to the UFC there was so much hype around him everybody was like this motherfucker doesn't get tired yeah like he's the heavyweight you don't see that not like him his cardio was insane I remember when he fought big ben rothwell he he would put it on guys and they would have that 100 yard stare where they were like what the fuck I what is happening to me how is this guy not tired it didn't make sense he was like a lightweight yeah yeah but 240 pounds 240 pounds and uh great wrestling great jitzu great everything yeah boxing's second the nun man for you know and just surprised you with his body right because he didn't look ripped and cut like a guy eats a lot of burritos right yeah yeah yeah dude to this day i think in his prom i think he was i mean there's like the argument is him and fadour those are the two arguments and then steeped for his accomplishments, right?

[553] I mean, I would have loved to seen Steepay versus Kane when Stipe when Kane was in his prime.

[554] Yeah, that would have been great.

[555] That would have been amazing.

[556] But, you know, it's like this, that model of the heavyweight, the Kane Velasquez model, I don't know if anybody else could do that.

[557] Like, I don't know.

[558] I think his, his cardio was almost like supernatural.

[559] I think, you know, people always ask because people say, you know, I've got good cardio and, you know, I could push always and they're like, You know, what is it from?

[560] I think it's all mental more than anything.

[561] I don't know.

[562] Maybe some people are born that way.

[563] Like, I feel like even the summertime, when I wrestled in the summer, I wasn't like in wrestling season shape, I was going to be the guy who's in better shape.

[564] Just your mind.

[565] Just my mind.

[566] Yeah, I think most of it's my mind.

[567] Everybody's like, do you get tired?

[568] I'm like, fuck yeah, I get tired.

[569] I just keep going.

[570] I think everyone gets tired.

[571] Because then you see some guys that, you know, are really, really good, and they're just scared to get tired.

[572] So they're scared to push themselves.

[573] I've seen that in wrestling a lot.

[574] kind of see an MMA, you know, some guys where they're just scared to get tired so they don't push it too hard.

[575] Yeah, that's real, right?

[576] Yeah.

[577] Yeah, there's a mind game going on where you don't want to drain the battery, right?

[578] You don't want to, like, it seemed like Marlon against Aldo, there was a little bit of that.

[579] Like, yeah, just easing off the gas, especially after this Houdo fight.

[580] You know, I was in the corner from Marlon, and it was going great.

[581] That first round, I'm like, man, this is great.

[582] The pace is, like, how Marlon likes it.

[583] You know, it wasn't too crazy.

[584] And then Sehudo turned it on.

[585] And I just seen the look in Marlon's face.

[586] I'm like, in the second round, he got up and looked at me. And I was like, you know, I'm trying to pump him up.

[587] Like, dude, come on, let's go.

[588] But I just seen him in his eyes.

[589] Dude, the first round looked like Marlon was going to establish himself as the best pound for pound fighter in the world.

[590] Yeah, I mean, he looked amazing.

[591] He looked so good.

[592] He was, his kickboxing was off the charts.

[593] That fucking left leg switch kick that he has to the head is like a whip.

[594] It's crazy the way he does it.

[595] Yeah.

[596] It's so light and effortless.

[597] He just swings it up there Yeah They're It was when Marlon Edson came in the camp My legs hurt for For a good couple months Trying to deal with that No Edson's terrifying His switch kicks The fastest shit I've ever seen In my life It doesn't even make sense I don't even know how he moves that quirk He's a freak He's like he's super tight too I'm sure that's why He's like a rubber band You know what I mean Let snaps as it goes fast Super tight like in what way Like he's not very flexible Really?

[598] Yeah I mean he could wheel kick and do all that stuff because I think it's just he was doing it since he's a kid right so his body's made for that but as far as being like a flexible guy it's not very flexible I mean I'm not very flexible either but I'm not kicking like him that's interesting I would have thought that guy would be real flexible yeah no what about marlin marlin's probably a little bit more flexible he still he's still not very flexible either that's crazy how's he throw that switch kick to the head like that I just think their bodies from doing it forever they're like made to do that wow yeah and they're there's wheel kicks like crazy yeah But as far as, like, touching her toes, you know, we'd go to yoga together.

[599] And you hear Marlon, ooh, oh, ooh.

[600] Yeah.

[601] How often do you do yoga?

[602] I try to do it once a week when I'm not in camp.

[603] When I'm in camp, I don't do it as much because that kind of takes away from something else.

[604] Right.

[605] I try to do it once a week.

[606] Hot yoga?

[607] Hot, yeah, I do hot.

[608] Dude, I love it.

[609] I love it.

[610] And everyone that's never done it, they need to fucking do it because everyone's like, oh, yoga.

[611] I'm like, bro, it's hard as shit.

[612] Hard as shit.

[613] There's no bullshit.

[614] I've been in some yoga classes that if my boy wasn't in there, I might have walked out because I'm not.

[615] I was tired.

[616] I was like, I can't let this guy see me walk out.

[617] The place I go to, they don't let you leave.

[618] Yeah, oh, really?

[619] They're like, you can't leave.

[620] You just make a commitment when you hear.

[621] If you can't take it, just sit down and try to rest it off, you know, try to take a couple poses off, try to get your heart rate back down.

[622] But it's hot as fuck.

[623] I've done some yoga.

[624] Me and my wife went to the yoga class once.

[625] She was me and her, and it was so hot.

[626] And the lady's like, how do you guys feel what to eat?

[627] And I'm like, please, Renee, say it's too hot.

[628] Say it's too hot.

[629] it's one of the most underrated difficult exercises because you think of it as like housewives or moms right yeah like a bunch of gals bunch of hot girls and yoga pants yeah i'm only dude in there sometimes yeah me too sometimes well there's more guys in my place now like it's starting to see that sometimes it's actually half and half which is kind of interesting yeah i mean it's i think it's great for you yeah it's something i too like when i say i'm done fighting i'm sure that's something i'll do more often well for me too it's like a 90 minute meditation session too because all you're thinking about is those poses all i'm thinking about is concentrating on keeping a maintaining a steady breath and then holding the positions as long as possible yeah yeah and i like just it's like you know the instructor or yogi is giving you uh positive affirmations i mean some it's a little a little wonky but you know it's always like a good a good message yeah sometimes some of them go go a little bit crazy some of them try to give you life lessons like yeah well yeah settle down well and then also like oh this is your your lower intestines is getting pinched.

[630] I'm like, what do you mean?

[631] I'm bending over.

[632] Yeah, yeah.

[633] It's massaging, you're descending colon.

[634] No, it's definitely not.

[635] It's definitely not.

[636] You're just stretching.

[637] Stop.

[638] But I sweat like a maniac in there.

[639] It's great.

[640] It's definitely good for you.

[641] Oh, my God.

[642] You can lose amazing amounts of weight in there.

[643] But I just think, like, for maintaining strength in your joints and strength, and it always feels to me, and maybe this is just my head.

[644] but like it's helping all the connections like shoulders and hips and knees and like all the other stuff that doesn't necessarily get the same kind of workout when you're just doing regular stuff right weight training or kettlebells or kickboxing whatever you you're working out like holding your leg in one certain position and like leaning forward and just maintaining that post static holds yeah yeah i feel like it tightens all your connections up and it also increases your range of motion and it opens you up you know i feel so much better when i went on dilling yoga and i would like to do it more often to be honestly i just uh i don't want to miss hitting pads or jitsu and all that stuff that's the thing right it's like for a mixed martial artist there's so many skills to to concentrate on there's so much if you're a boxer what do you got to do you got to run and you got a box yeah that's it right right you know when you're a mixed martial artist god damn you got think about everything and you don't want to overdo one and underdo another you know how do you know what to do i you know i i came up with a formula and seems to work what's your formula like i got you know uh just my schedule is i do jitzu monday friday i spar either well it used to be tuesday thursday saturday i'll wrestle uh wednesday and friday and then Strength and condition in between all that.

[645] Jesus.

[646] Yeah.

[647] Just hearing that makes me tired.

[648] But when is your strength and conditioning schedule?

[649] I do that Monday and Wednesdays.

[650] Monday and Wednesdays.

[651] And when you do it, do you do it before MMA training?

[652] I usually do grappling or wrestling before and then do that after.

[653] Really?

[654] Yeah.

[655] Why do you do that?

[656] That's just the way it kind of worked out for me. So do you do it the same day?

[657] I mean the same time of day, like noon?

[658] Like you'll do your...

[659] No, I'll just do it in the morning.

[660] I'll do jihitsu at wrestling, and then at the afternoon, I'll...

[661] Oh, okay.

[662] So you give yourself a chance to recover.

[663] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[664] Although it's like 10 and 2, so it's quick.

[665] It's just enough to eat.

[666] Yeah, just enough to eat and drive.

[667] You know, Jersey's a commuter state, so I drive everywhere, man. Like, there's only, I don't think any...

[668] None of the places I train are in my town, so...

[669] Right.

[670] I'm always on the move.

[671] How, Jersey's got a lot of fucking traffic, too.

[672] It does, but it's like...

[673] It's predictable.

[674] Yeah, predictable traffic.

[675] You know what I mean?

[676] You know if you miss the rush hour, you're good.

[677] Here, you never know what you're in until.

[678] Dude, I've been coming home from a comedy club at 2 o 'clock in the morning.

[679] I hit pumper to the bumper traffic out of it.

[680] Yeah, that's crazy.

[681] There's just too many of us.

[682] I was actually, I didn't even realize I stayed right across the street from the comedy store.

[683] Oh, which place?

[684] Mondarin.

[685] Mandarin.

[686] Mondrian.

[687] Mondrian.

[688] What is it?

[689] Mondrian.

[690] Right.

[691] Mondrian.

[692] Yes.

[693] Why can I?

[694] See, when someone says something wrong, sometimes you go, how do you say it right?

[695] The Mondrian.

[696] Yeah, that is right across the street.

[697] Yeah, I didn't realize until I woke up the next day.

[698] I'm like, oh, shit, I should have went there the last night.

[699] Yeah, it's anytime you want to go there, even if I'm not there, just let me know.

[700] I'll set it up.

[701] So when you are in Tom's River, like, what is a typical day for you?

[702] When you leave your house, like, on a Monday morning, like, what time do you get going?

[703] What time do you eat?

[704] Yeah, I get up like 8 o 'clock, I guess.

[705] I'm not an early guy.

[706] I get up at 8.

[707] I'll eat something.

[708] I'm out of the house by 8 .30, 8 .45.

[709] get the Ricardo's for like 10 a .m. practice, 9 .30 practice for two hours.

[710] Drive back home, which is like about 45 to an hour.

[711] And when you're practicing, are you practicing with the ghee?

[712] No, no gay.

[713] Never.

[714] Not in a long time.

[715] Ricardo actually, believe it or not, told us not to.

[716] Really?

[717] Yeah.

[718] I do believe it.

[719] He said the ghee will always be there.

[720] He said, you always go back to the ghee when you're done.

[721] He's like, right now it's just not applicable for MMA.

[722] I'm so glad he said that.

[723] Yeah.

[724] Man, that is...

[725] I don't know.

[726] Hopefully he doesn't get mad for saying that.

[727] Well, that was a giant problem with, like, so many Brazilians were so connected to the ghee that they would be offended if you didn't train with the ghee.

[728] They get really mad at you.

[729] That's what I thought when I first went to.

[730] I'm like, oh, man, we've got to do a lot of gay stuff now, you know.

[731] We did a little bit, you know, messed with it.

[732] It is good for you.

[733] It's great for defense.

[734] I think it's good for people like myself where I use a lot of wrestling and athleticism for my jizzo because it kind of takes that away and makes you, you know, pay attention to the technique.

[735] Yeah.

[736] Yeah, it makes you concentrate on defense because you can't just muscle out of things.

[737] Right.

[738] And with a lot of fighters, you know, especially like real explosive guys, they get used to just yanking out of things.

[739] And, you know, when someone's got collars and grips on your sleeves, you can't, you can't get out of much.

[740] You got to systematically think about what you're doing.

[741] Yeah, you got to apply pressure.

[742] You got to have good position.

[743] You got to be patient, too.

[744] You can't expose yourself because you're impatient and you just want to get out of a spot.

[745] Right, right.

[746] Yeah, that is, that's the positive aspect of the ghee.

[747] The negative aspect of the geese is when guys go from the ghee to MMA and they're looking for those handles and the handles aren't there.

[748] But Eddie always told us just do the ghee, but don't use collars.

[749] Don't use collars and sleeves.

[750] So my ghee game was really just no gey and a gey.

[751] Honestly, probably when I did the gey, I probably didn't grab as much as someone so he wasn't used to it.

[752] In desperado times I'll grab the ghee.

[753] Yeah.

[754] Right, right.

[755] You know, getting fucked up.

[756] But for the most point, I think, you're better off just using overhooks and underhooks and cable grips and just working your same positions that we do in no ghee.

[757] So then you're doing the same game always.

[758] Yeah.

[759] But I'm glad Ricardo said that because to have such an accomplished Brazilian jiu -jitsu artists like him who's got this gigantic school and who was an accomplished fighter himself and now as a judge.

[760] Right.

[761] To have him say that, like, yes.

[762] Yeah.

[763] For a long time, people got so connected to this idea that you need to do the ghee in order to be good in MMA, which is no Ghee, slippery.

[764] Yeah, I mean, you know, even like Gary, Tona, and Gordon, Ryan, I don't think those guys are in the Ghee very often either.

[765] Very rarely, yeah.

[766] Yeah.

[767] I think, I think that Gordon Ryan has done some matches recently in the Ghee.

[768] Maybe Gary Tona, too.

[769] I mean, they know how to use it.

[770] Yeah.

[771] Oh, yeah.

[772] Yeah.

[773] But it's, you know, it just makes everything more, you know, it's just, there's so much more friction, so much, there's so many things you can do in the Gie.

[774] You cannot do in an MMA fight.

[775] Or in a no -gee contest.

[776] Yeah, it's really just not applicable at all.

[777] So that's good.

[778] We don't, I figure when I'm old, I'll put the ghee on, you know?

[779] Yeah, well, you could, I mean, there's guys in my jujitsu class are in their 60s.

[780] Yeah.

[781] Yeah, that's what's great.

[782] You know, nice and slow.

[783] It's something I'll definitely do in the future.

[784] So you go there, you do that class, and like how far you're driving a lot to all these different spots?

[785] How much time you're in your car?

[786] A couple hours a day.

[787] Oh, shit.

[788] So you have to have a liable fucking car.

[789] Yeah, yeah.

[790] Yeah, I do.

[791] I got a pine belt, watch a ship, so I get to drive a nice RAM or Silverado.

[792] Oh, you got a deal with the Dodge dealership?

[793] I drive it for the demo.

[794] Oh, that's awesome.

[795] And then I turned in for a thing.

[796] But I also got a Cadillac CTSV too.

[797] I know you're in the cost.

[798] Dude, I love CTSVs.

[799] Those things are beasts.

[800] Yeah, it's fun.

[801] I got a little stage two tune on it and stuff.

[802] Oh, really?

[803] Yeah, it can move.

[804] It's a fast car.

[805] That's a good Italian guy in Jersey car, too.

[806] Yeah, it's perfect.

[807] It's perfect So how far Have you ever thought about living somewhere Where everything is you just So connected to Tom's River You'd never move Yeah I mean well now Nicotone is in brick too And he has a huge facility in brick So that's where we do a lot of our sparring How far is that?

[808] That's only 20 minutes away So that's uh You know he's been there for now a couple years And he's like a 30 ,000 square foot gym Oh really?

[809] Two full cages A bunch of mat space Oh wow Box and ring yeah it's a phenomenal facility What's it called?

[810] Nicotone's man mixed martial arts academy oh okay cool that's awesome man it's amazing that these gyms are they're so good now it's like it was so hard in the beginning to find one facility that had this kind of place right even the country there's only a couple gyms whether it was an aka or jacksons or when i first started uh i graduated college and it was like in may graduated college i i wanted you know ultimate fighters the first season ultimate fighter was on i think was uh they had the finale in may i watched it with my teammates i'm like dude i'm giving this a try you know cost check was uh was on the on the season he wrestled for edinburgh russell for clarion we're in the same conference so i see him i'm like oh man look he's doing pretty well i'm gonna give this a shot so i found a place to train and uh kurt pelagrino actually had a gym in uh near my town so i called him up i knew him to wrestling he's like he's like i'm actually moving to florida he's like but you can come train here for a couple days before i go i'm like all right so i came there and a new guy was taking his gym over and so that's where i ended up staying and the gym was no bigger than this room here wow you know and uh you see all these young kids have this 30 ,000 square facility.

[811] I'm like, dude, you guys are fucking spoiled, man. Yeah, it's a different world now.

[812] I mean, there's only, there's no other sport like MMA where if you go back to like the 90s and then you look at it today, it's unrecognized.

[813] Oh, yeah, it is.

[814] It's just martial arts is changed.

[815] Like you say it all the time, you know, how quickly UFC or MMA changed martial arts.

[816] Forever.

[817] Yeah.

[818] I mean, we'll never look at it the same way again.

[819] Like, martial arts have evolved more over the last 20 years than they have over the last 20 ,000 years.

[820] Yeah, and that's just, I don't think anything that has done that?

[821] No, go back and watch UFC 1 and then go watch UFC 246.

[822] It's like, what the fuck, man?

[823] Like, everyone is so evolved now.

[824] And even, you know, across weight classes, it's just, it's just such an interesting thing that we figured out how to do it right.

[825] Yeah.

[826] I mean, shit, even when I started 2005 to now, it's changed a whole bunch.

[827] Yeah.

[828] No, for sure, yeah.

[829] I mean, 2005 was when the Ultimate Fighter was on, right?

[830] Dude, how crazy is it that Diego Sanchez is still out there throwing?

[831] It's amazing.

[832] He's the last of the Mohicans.

[833] It really is, right?

[834] He's the last one on that show.

[835] Yes.

[836] Oh, for sure.

[837] Yeah.

[838] I mean, Stefan Bonner's long gone.

[839] Right.

[840] Forrest Griffin's long gone.

[841] He's working for the UFC now.

[842] And fucking Diego Sanchez.

[843] He's still screaming yes and doing cartwheels.

[844] He's a special dude, man. He's crazy.

[845] Yeah, he's a wild motherfucker man He is, he is His outlook I mean he was kind of strange on the show I don't know he called him strange But just like He's strange A different different personality He's weird Definitely weird But he's also got a mind Like a fucking bank vault He's intense He is I mean his will's unbreakable That guy does not quit He's lost before He's been stopped before But you ain't getting him to quit I remember when he fought BJ Just kept calming Yeah His head split open With the head kick I was like Can this guy He's nuts.

[846] Yeah, no, I mean, in all of his fights, I mean, he's, he's an animal.

[847] I mean, and he's such an entertaining guy.

[848] I mean, you think about some of his fights that he fought, even at 170 against guys like Jake Allenberger and Martin, Mark, Campman had his face hanging off.

[849] I mean, a giant cuts all over Diego's face.

[850] And in the third round, Diego's chasing him.

[851] Just chasing him down.

[852] Like, God damn, he's tough.

[853] His willpower is second to none, I think, you know.

[854] It's insane.

[855] It's insane.

[856] And he's still out there.

[857] He is.

[858] Still out there throwing.

[859] He is.

[860] It's impressive.

[861] I mean, these guys are setting a bar high, you know?

[862] Yeah, real high.

[863] Yeah.

[864] And it's interesting.

[865] Like, Diego, I've always thought, was like a guy who could have benefited from a 165 -pound class.

[866] I feel like the UFC, I've been saying this forever.

[867] I'm a broken record, but I think they should reorganize the weight classes and put weight classes every 10 pounds.

[868] Yeah.

[869] There's too many big gaps.

[870] Like the 85 to 205 -pound gap, that's crazy.

[871] Yeah, no, it's not.

[872] That's so big.

[873] Yeah.

[874] I mean, if they have time, look, they have plenty of fighters, right?

[875] And there's plenty.

[876] They just should move some of these weight classes around.

[877] I think they should do it.

[878] Even Dosanos, too, with him in Kiesa, you know?

[879] I think Dosayosso was probably 65 -pounder.

[880] Probably.

[881] He looks so much smaller than Kiesa.

[882] Dude, Kiyasa, how the fuck did he ever make 55?

[883] I don't get it, man. I seen him, you know, after he made him, I'm like, dude, you were always a 70 -pounder.

[884] Yeah, always.

[885] I just was really impressed at how.

[886] he was able to control Hafeo Dosanjos.

[887] I didn't get to see the fight I was actually flying down here.

[888] But, yeah, I've seen, you know, highlights.

[889] I think he took him down five or six times.

[890] Yeah, man. He's a fucking, his arms are so long.

[891] They were in positions where a lot of guys would have to kind of like hold on, but he could reach all the way to fuck around and clamp his hands together.

[892] He's like, oh, what an advantage that is.

[893] It's like when I train with the beat, that's how I feel.

[894] Oh, right.

[895] He's like 6 -2.

[896] Yeah.

[897] Yeah, so it's like, he can cover my head and my toes, and he's only, you know, it's only half of him.

[898] He's got the weirdest style, man, because his style is like, you know, he does, like, scissor takedowns, but it's got, like, a lot of wheel kicks in 360 roundhouse kids.

[899] Kung Fu, right?

[900] It is Kung Fu, right?

[901] It's a real kung fu.

[902] But also with wrestling.

[903] Sanda.

[904] Oh, Sandha.

[905] Yeah.

[906] Sanda.

[907] But I think it's a form of kung fu.

[908] Oh, yeah, it's kung fu.

[909] Yeah.

[910] Yeah, he's one of the more unusual guys in the.

[911] the sport yeah he is he's got a quiet demeanor too you know well it looks like abraham lincoln he does he does exactly like him uh as soon as he walked in that's what everyone said well everybody says too that you haven't even seen what he can do like in the gym you see what he could do and like uh i was talking mark about him and he's like dude this was like back before zzbid had really made a name for himself and he's like that fucking guy he goes the real deal super super talented i was really impressed with calvin cater though in their last fight yeah yeah you You know, that third round seemed like Zabee kind of lost some steam.

[912] Yeah.

[913] And Calvin started coming on a little bit.

[914] Calvin was digging to the body a lot, too.

[915] He's got great hands, Calvin.

[916] As good as anybody.

[917] That jab might be one of the best jabs in the U .S .A. His fucking right hand, too.

[918] The right hand that he knocked out Lamas with?

[919] Dude.

[920] Oh, man, yeah.

[921] Calvin, he's on another level when it's striking, particularly with his hands.

[922] Like, he does a lot of training with boxers.

[923] Yeah.

[924] Dude.

[925] He's a Boston guy, right?

[926] Mm -hmm.

[927] And only getting better.

[928] You know, he's only, too, yeah.

[929] He's just beginning to get into the top tier of guys, you know?

[930] I mean, he beats Shane Burgos with that beautiful knockout, and the Ricardo Lama's knockout was just spectacular.

[931] So Lamas had, you know, fought for the title.

[932] Llamas was the top guy.

[933] And then the Zabit fight, when Zabit is like right there at the very top of the heap at 1 .45, and who knows what the fuck would happen if that was a five -rounder.

[934] Yeah, I know.

[935] Because Calvin was putting it on him.

[936] He was at that point.

[937] And when Zabit took him down the third, he basically just hung on.

[938] in the end.

[939] Just...

[940] Just...

[941] Just hung up on.

[942] Yeah.

[943] Calvin's dangerous.

[944] He's dangerous and getting better.

[945] And he's...

[946] Boy, what a fucking division, man. Your division...

[947] That you're leaving.

[948] The division that you're leaving.

[949] Yeah, good.

[950] 35 is no fucking sweeter.

[951] Let's be real.

[952] You know?

[953] There's a lot of killers there, too, but you'll be a bigger guy.

[954] Yeah, I mean, I still don't think I'll be the biggest guy either at 35.

[955] But I'll definitely be, you know, much more comparable to the rest of them.

[956] Well, it was interesting because even when you were fighting at 55, a lot of people were saying that you should be 35.

[957] Yeah.

[958] And I was like, you might be right.

[959] Like if you weighs 55, a lot of the guys that weigh 55 compete at 35.

[960] Shit, what's his?

[961] Oh, my God.

[962] Lockhart.

[963] George Lockhart was on.

[964] Oh, yeah.

[965] And he said, on here.

[966] And he said, I can make 25.

[967] So slow down, George.

[968] I don't know about 25.

[969] I don't know about 25.

[970] Yeah, you look like T .J. Dillshaw.

[971] That was a mistake.

[972] Yeah, that was out of all the, there's only two, well, his was real bad all the way up and to the way in, T .J., the way he looked.

[973] You know, he looked like, like he was starving to death.

[974] That's what he looked like.

[975] He did.

[976] I mean, his cheeks were sucked in, his face was sucked in.

[977] Yeah, it was really bad decision, though, even because he had to, you know, take that stuff to it.

[978] Take EPO to try to train.

[979] Yeah.

[980] It was just terrible.

[981] You know, 35, he was the fucking champ and, like, a really good fighter at 35.

[982] And to take that stuff, I don't know.

[983] You know, Cody, Cody Garbrandt was accusing him taking it even before then.

[984] Yeah, I don't know if that's true.

[985] He said he didn't.

[986] Cody's actually training with us now, too.

[987] Oh, is he?

[988] Yeah.

[989] Oh, that's a good move for him.

[990] That's a very good move for him.

[991] And Mark been working together.

[992] He was out, he was out for a week.

[993] He went back, you know, he still had alpha mail too.

[994] Oh, that's right.

[995] You know, he was talking to me about that.

[996] And Mark was, like, giving him some real good pointers on some of the things that he does or exposes himself and how to make sure he's more protected and make sure he's more elusive, more difficult to read, do some different kind of things.

[997] But, yeah, he's been with us for a little bit now.

[998] He went back to Alpha Melby's coming back and finished camp with us.

[999] He's got sick hands.

[1000] He's got some of the...

[1001] He's got sick hands.

[1002] You know, see Marlon, see all these guys, but Cody's hands are so fast, man. Yeah, he's fast as fuck.

[1003] He is.

[1004] And he can...

[1005] There it is.

[1006] He can come back, man. He can come back.

[1007] He just, you know, he had that fight with T .J. lost.

[1008] Lost.

[1009] Lost in the rematch.

[1010] And then lost again to Pedro Munoz.

[1011] So, you're like, God damn.

[1012] Like, he's just so game.

[1013] But all three of those fights, I mean, he was in him.

[1014] He had those guys rocked.

[1015] He did.

[1016] You know, and...

[1017] That Pedro Munoz guy has a chin made out of fucking steel.

[1018] He must.

[1019] Steal.

[1020] And, you know, and he knows it, too.

[1021] He's like, he's like, I'll stand in front of anybody.

[1022] Yeah.

[1023] He has that belief in himself.

[1024] And one of the nastiest guillotines in the game.

[1025] Yeah.

[1026] That guy's got a fucking sick clamp.

[1027] He gets a hold of your neck.

[1028] Woo.

[1029] Hey, he can be in trouble.

[1030] Yeah.

[1031] It's a fucking, that division, that whole division that you're about to drop down into.

[1032] Yeah.

[1033] That's just as scary as a division you're in now.

[1034] Yeah.

[1035] I mean, you can't go anywhere nowadays, you know?

[1036] Yeah, there's no picnics.

[1037] There's no, there's no easy spot.

[1038] Nothing easy.

[1039] Even for the ladies.

[1040] There's no easy ladies divisions either.

[1041] It just, every weight clash is getting deeper and deeper.

[1042] And that's just the progression of the sport, you know?

[1043] I mean, you know, even when I first started, it wasn't at, you know, maybe the top five, top 10.

[1044] Now you got top 20 or, you know, some good, some dogs, you know.

[1045] Yeah.

[1046] What do you think you're going to do when you retire?

[1047] I don't know.

[1048] I don't know.

[1049] I have, I'm involved with UFC gym.

[1050] I have one in North Brunswick, New Jersey, one of Riverdale, you know, kind of partnered up with a couple guys.

[1051] I'll definitely stay involved in this sport.

[1052] How does that work?

[1053] Does the UFC contact you and say, hey, Frankie, you want to be involved in one of these gyms?

[1054] I think we sought them out.

[1055] they sought me out type thing, you know, that process took, took a while to get to where we're at now.

[1056] I started, like, inquiring about the UFC gym back in 2014, 2015.

[1057] They must be popular as fuck, though, right?

[1058] Everybody would want to train at a UFC gym.

[1059] Yeah, you would think.

[1060] I think when they think UFC gym, like, I'm not wanting to go fight in anybody, but it's not even like that.

[1061] UFC gym's a family atmosphere, man. You don't have to go take a fight class.

[1062] You can go just train or take a martial arts class, you know?

[1063] Now, when they have these UFC gyms, do they have, like, sparring classes, jujitsu classes?

[1064] They have everything?

[1065] Yeah, they have everything.

[1066] So it's just like a fight gym?

[1067] It's like a fight gym.

[1068] No, it's more, I'd say it's more like an L .A. fitness.

[1069] Like L .A. Fitness fucked a fight gym.

[1070] Yes, exactly.

[1071] Exactly.

[1072] It's the love child L .A. fitness and a fight gym.

[1073] And do you train at those places?

[1074] I do some from time in time, yeah.

[1075] But I'm always, usually go up there and teach a class or a seminar, stuff like that.

[1076] When you train with Mark, where you're training with Mark?

[1077] his basement really yeah or like nicotones but but mostly his basement we start out in his basement how big is his basement it's big he lives in he owns a pizzerate he does pretty well me he's got he kills it with the pizza business so he has amazing pizza it's no bullshit it's some of the best pizza in jersey and no really that's a big statement because jersey has a killer pizza and his is very good no i'm not lying where's it at it's a woodbridge new jersey pinos pizza Pino's pizza Pelham Frankie sent you And so his basement He has decked out like a gym Yeah it is It uh It starts Yeah he's got like a whole workout stuff He's like a full You know Full basement Pretty nice house Then he put mats on the thing And you know A bunch of like Of our posters are up there So it was cool That's cool Yeah But I started with Mark And literally in 2005 And that's what he started In his basement Now did you have any striking Experience before that None Not at all.

[1078] Just the seaside boorwalk.

[1079] That's about it.

[1080] So what was it like going from just straight wrestling to learning how to strike and wrestle together?

[1081] It was learning process, you know.

[1082] Early in my career, I was able to take everybody down in those early fights.

[1083] But I had some pretty good fights even before UFC.

[1084] I fought Davidius, something Davidius.

[1085] He was this Ukraine -type fight.

[1086] I don't know.

[1087] He fought in W .C. He beat some good guys.

[1088] So he was decent.

[1089] I was able to take him down.

[1090] Then I fought Jim Miller, actually, my last fight for UFC.

[1091] Oh, no shit.

[1092] Yeah, we had a crazy fight.

[1093] So, you know, I had good opponents right away.

[1094] But the striking, you know, something that I really liked.

[1095] I was always into boxing growing up.

[1096] I was always in the fight.

[1097] And, you know, Jersey's, you know, I'm not from the hood or by any means, but everyone fights where I'm from.

[1098] You know, it's kind of like, everyone goes to seaside, look for fights.

[1099] That's kind of the nature of it.

[1100] Yeah, I mean, you hear Joey Diaz talking about it.

[1101] So, you know.

[1102] Jim Miller's a fucking beast.

[1103] He is a beast, dude.

[1104] I'm so glad he's healthy now because that guy struggled for so long with Lyme disease.

[1105] Yeah, my wife has it actually.

[1106] She's been dealing with it since 2007.

[1107] Dude, everybody gets it in the East Coast.

[1108] It's crazy how many people have it.

[1109] And it's just they say that there was, we did this, we looked at this map online of all the areas in the East Coast where Lyme disease is prevalent and what percentage of the ticks have it.

[1110] it's bananas oh yeah you it's it's my wife's neurotic with it too because you know she's had to go through a bunch of you know treatments and whatnot and is it still with her right now it is it's not as much but she's got like a bunch of issues like autoimmune stuff I think you know and um she's she's doing she does the IV treatments the sunlight therapy it's like where they take the blood out running through UV then put it back in you oh yeah yeah she's done a lot a lot of stuff and she's starting it feel better um with jim i think he changed his diet i think that was a big one just really started eating clean yeah my wife eats pretty clean she's she's a you know kind of holistic -ish type person yeah um the the the the lime disease thing is fucking terrifying because for a long time they were diagnosing it incorrectly like people didn't know whether it was a lime disease and people would come in with all sorts of aches and pains and if they didn't have that big bull's eye mark on them or the the tick bit them the doctor really had no idea what was going on and some doctors didn't have a lot of experience with it right i got it when i was young did you yeah but i've seen the tick so i got our medicine right away and and i was fine but they say if you don't see the tick and then you just don't have it and then if you don't get on medicine right away then you're fucked and it's in you for probably ever yeah you even say like it's not even the lyme disease it's the other other diseases get attached to it yes well there's a thing called morgelons have you ever heard of more gelons yeah Well, Jellons is a disease that a lot of people think it's like a psychological disease.

[1111] They think that, like, you're imagining things because they would imagine the, like, fibers were growing out of their scabs, and they'd scratch themselves like crazy.

[1112] Right.

[1113] But I had some good insight.

[1114] We did a television show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything.

[1115] And we had some – one of the conversations I had was with a doctor who has Lyme disease.

[1116] And that's when things got interesting because he was aware of it not just as a person who has the disease, but also as a doctor.

[1117] And he said one thing that all these people that – have more gelons have in common is that they all have Lyme disease and he thinks that Lyme disease is not just one thing that it's a host of other things that are attached to Lyme disease like non -identified pathogens yeah and that some of them have some sort of neurotoxic effect that changes the way you see things so he was seeing things like that weren't there like he was seeing worms crawling around on his eye that weren't there weren't even there They weren't there.

[1118] And he realized, like, okay, this is probably what more gelons is.

[1119] Like, these people are thinking that things are growing in their skin, but there's nothing there.

[1120] But it's really because the Lyme disease and all the other toxins and pathogens that come with it are fucking with your neurology.

[1121] Yeah.

[1122] They're fucking with your brain.

[1123] Yeah.

[1124] Yeah.

[1125] My wife said brain fog is probably the biggest thing that bothers her, you know.

[1126] And she went through a period where she was always tired.

[1127] And it's crazy because my wife, you would never guess it, because she's super high energy.

[1128] works out every day you know just pushes through it yeah pushes through it but uh it's definitely something she has to constantly treat you remember when people had chronic fatigue syndrome yeah they would always talk where'd that go yeah i know isn't that like a thing that everybody always had but there's an excuse that excuse like a bullshit thing i don't know see that's you this he's mentally tough guys like come on yeah how do i feel i feel good let's go that's it i feel good You know, I mean, my wife, it's, it's, it's expensive, too, all these damn dreams, you know.

[1129] Well, Marcus Davis, all of his UFC money, he spent treating his wife for Lyme disease.

[1130] Wow, yeah.

[1131] He wound up, he's a prison guard now.

[1132] Is he really?

[1133] Somewhere, yeah.

[1134] I think he's still doing that.

[1135] You know, he's good buddies with Delagrarte.

[1136] Yeah, yeah.

[1137] Delgado was keeping me posted on him, but he wound up, like, his wife got it real bad.

[1138] I think he spent more than a quarter million dollars just treating her.

[1139] Not that much.

[1140] I mean, unless my wife's not telling me, but...

[1141] It's fucking bad.

[1142] My friend Steve Ronella, he and his son got it, and the doctors didn't recognize it.

[1143] The doctors, he was like, I think it might be Lyme disease.

[1144] The doctors didn't think so.

[1145] Then his son started getting Bell's palsy.

[1146] So half his face, and his son was little.

[1147] I think he was like four or five.

[1148] Half his face was going numb.

[1149] Yeah, it happened to my wife, actually.

[1150] She had Bell's palsy to one time.

[1151] Yeah.

[1152] I think she got a flu shot.

[1153] she said and then came home she got bell's palsy Jesus Christ Yeah it's a fucking creepy disease man It is because no one seems to know what to do with it And you know they had a vaccine for a little while But the problem with the vaccine was people were And this is including my manager's dad Took the vaccine And got Lyme disease from the vaccine I keep hearing this with vaccines Or even flu shot like I've heard that with flu shot and they get the flu I've heard that people get sick when they get the flu But then I've talked to people that are vaccine people, and they're like, no, you probably were already getting the flu, and the flu shot that you got was the wrong one for whatever flu was in the area.

[1154] Well, I also heard, too, they give you the strain from last year, and then there's the new strain this year, so it's not even really helping you.

[1155] Well, I think there's multiple strains each year, and I think they're basically just hedging their bets.

[1156] They're guessing, yeah.

[1157] I don't take flu shots.

[1158] No, hell no. Yeah, but I think they do work if you get lucky.

[1159] Yeah, well, the right one.

[1160] I'm not too lucky.

[1161] I don't know.

[1162] I mean, I believe in vaccines for sure, but I don't think that it always works in the flu shot case.

[1163] I'm not sure.

[1164] Because, like, sometimes they just get it wrong.

[1165] Like, they have the wrong strain.

[1166] Right, right.

[1167] What do we know?

[1168] No, I know.

[1169] It's a fucking touchy subject anyway.

[1170] Two morons talking about flu shots.

[1171] But it's, with the lines of these, my way, there's a conspiracy theory that that's the government.

[1172] Put that out in the wild.

[1173] Well, there was a conspiracy theory that there was actually, look, this up, Jamie, because there was actually something about this they were talking about recently where they were looking in, they were investigating the idea that Lyme disease was a biological warfare weapon that accidentally got released.

[1174] But this was through like legitimate channels they were investigating this.

[1175] It wasn't like some fucking tinfoil hat job.

[1176] They released it on the East Coast, I guess, right?

[1177] Not where they wanted to release it.

[1178] Well, I think it got out.

[1179] I think the idea is that somehow or another this disease had accidentally escaped their labs or while they were in the middle of treating people.

[1180] Is it tick the only way you can get lines these?

[1181] I believe so.

[1182] And it's the ticks, I think it's deer ticks.

[1183] I think it's places that have a high population of deer also have a high population of these ticks.

[1184] And then when people get it, it's less, you know, most of them don't realize they have it until it's too late.

[1185] Yeah.

[1186] So you don't realize you have it.

[1187] and then you miss the early rounds of antibiotics, which can knock it out.

[1188] And then you get this chronic state like Jim Miller has and your wife has.

[1189] And, yeah, my buddy, Steve Ronella, that had it, he was fucked up, I mean, bad for at least six months.

[1190] When I saw him, he looked like he had lost, and he's a slim guy, but he looked like he had lost 20 or 30 pounds.

[1191] And he just said he'd just been dealing with the Lyme disease.

[1192] And it just killed him.

[1193] I mean, not kill them, but just really diminished his body.

[1194] Yeah, it's fucking, it's a weird disease, man, because you can't find anybody who doesn't know anybody who has it when you're on the East Coast.

[1195] Everybody knows a brother or a cousin or a wife.

[1196] Someone has it.

[1197] It's great.

[1198] I love running the woods and trails, but like in the summertime, it's like, man, you just, I'm so nervous to get ticks or my kids, I don't want my kids going out in it.

[1199] Well, I think it takes 24 hours for it to set in.

[1200] So, like, once you do come back, if you have a tick on, you just.

[1201] just have to remove it immediately.

[1202] Yeah, so we do.

[1203] Every time we go in the woods, tick checks.

[1204] How do you get them off you, though?

[1205] What if it's, what if it's like in the middle of your back and you're by yourself?

[1206] Yeah, I guess you're like one of those back scratchers or something?

[1207] Like, here it is.

[1208] Was Lyme disease created as a bio weapon?

[1209] Is this a legit website?

[1210] Yeah, it's, uh, how stuff, well, how stuff works.

[1211] So it's not, not unlegit.

[1212] Oh, that's legit.

[1213] How stuff works is very legit.

[1214] I just sort of read through the whole article.

[1215] It's sort of unproven, but there are some people, I believe, that, think that this is a thing.

[1216] It just would be very hard to do is what the end of the article is.

[1217] Look at this.

[1218] Tick says weapons issue made headlines back in July 2019 thanks to the U .S. House of Representatives Chris Smith, R. New Jersey, Republican New Jersey who introduced legislation directing the Department of Defense to review claims that the Pentagon research ticked -based bio -weapons in the mid -20th century.

[1219] The amendment passed.

[1220] Smith said he was inspired by a number of books and articles suggesting that significant research had been done.

[1221] the U .S. government facilities including Fort Detrick, Maryland, and Plum Island, New York, to turn ticks and other insects into bio -weapons.

[1222] Imagine if those cunts created a fucking disease, and now everyone in the East Coast has it?

[1223] What the fuck?

[1224] Because it's mostly out there.

[1225] That's what's fucked up.

[1226] Yeah, it is.

[1227] It is.

[1228] Lime, isn't Lime a place in Connecticut?

[1229] Yes, yeah.

[1230] Is that why they named it, Lyme disease?

[1231] I mean, I think that's why they named it that.

[1232] Have you heard of the Rocky Mountain Tick?

[1233] Yeah, isn't that kind of the West Coast version of...

[1234] Well, it's Texas.

[1235] It's, uh, um, I think it, or the Lone Star Tick.

[1236] That's what it is.

[1237] Oh, that's different one.

[1238] The Lone Star, it makes you not like meat or something?

[1239] Yes, Alpha Galactose.

[1240] It does something, I think that's the word, um, it, it makes you allergic to meat.

[1241] Allergic to meat.

[1242] Yeah, so you literally go the rest of your life and you can't eat meat.

[1243] You have to eat like chicken and fish.

[1244] Shoot me. What is that?

[1245] Yeah, the first cases of it were there in 1975.

[1246] Yeah, the goddamn government.

[1247] They're creating bio -weapons.

[1248] I'm not surprised.

[1249] No. I talked to the Soviet Union.

[1250] guy when I was doing that television show and he was saying that they had all sorts of bio weapons that they were developing over there.

[1251] Got to be right.

[1252] Giant pits filled with anthrax.

[1253] Are there ticks in other countries?

[1254] Or limousies in other countries?

[1255] That's a good question.

[1256] That's a very good question.

[1257] That would like sort of explain a lot.

[1258] While we're in Conspiracyville, have you seen the coronavirus stuff?

[1259] Yeah.

[1260] Oh, there's conspiracies about it?

[1261] Yeah.

[1262] What's a conspiracy?

[1263] There's like a level four bio weapon facility opened in Wuhan Oh, wow.

[1264] Not too long ago.

[1265] And the suggestions are online.

[1266] I don't know.

[1267] I'm not saying it.

[1268] The suggestions are online.

[1269] Something might have leaked just like this.

[1270] Have you consulted with Sam Tripley or Eddie Bravo?

[1271] I have seen tweets.

[1272] I have seen tweets.

[1273] From who?

[1274] From Sam or Eddie?

[1275] I think Sam's retweeted some stuff.

[1276] Oh, of course.

[1277] Of course he has.

[1278] I've seen other stuff online too.

[1279] Well, I mean, I think whatever news is out there, there's always some conspiracy theory that goes with it, right?

[1280] That's true.

[1281] Even if it's like lock.

[1282] Look, I saw conspiracy theories that Conner threw the fight or a cowboy through the fight with I had my cousins like, oh, I can't believe Cowboy would do that.

[1283] I'm like, do what?

[1284] Do what?

[1285] Yeah, do what?

[1286] People are crazy.

[1287] Yeah.

[1288] Yeah, yeah, I was upset at Stephen A. Smith and he made a video responding to me. Come on.

[1289] Listen, Stephen A. Smith, I guess I should respond, right?

[1290] You're a very entertaining guy.

[1291] I like you a lot.

[1292] And I appreciate the props.

[1293] He gave me in that video, but you're wrong.

[1294] Yeah.

[1295] Cowboy got Cowboy got fucked up with those shoulders in the clinch.

[1296] He had Connor's arms tied up, and they're in tight spaces.

[1297] Connor dips low and slams this bone of his shoulder into the nose.

[1298] And he's at the beginning of the round, Connor's a fucking super explosive guy, super explosive, all muscles just fucking pulled tight at the beginning of the fight, and just bang, bang!

[1299] He got off good shots, and Cowboy was confused.

[1300] I think he was flustered.

[1301] Flustered I don't think Those shots Maybe rocked him They broke his nose And that could rock you I guess in a sense Well he's got blood pouring out of his nose So he's not breathing out of his nose now And then all of a sudden he's like Fuck my nose is already fucked up And he hasn't even punched me yet Right You know it was it was unusual Like I could see if someone Has a peripheral understanding of the sport And you see that happening Like come on man Or even guys like Mike Bisping Like Mike Bisping was like Fucking shoulder strikes Come on shoulder strikes But that said, Mike Bisping is, without a doubt, one of the toughest human beings has ever walked to face the planet.

[1302] He's like, if he lost an ear, he's like, ah, you got another ear.

[1303] Yeah, yeah, right.

[1304] He fights with one eye.

[1305] He doesn't give a fuck.

[1306] He fought a giant chunk of his career against the best fighters in the world, including winning the title with one eye.

[1307] Yeah.

[1308] Michael Bisping is a fucking died in the wool savage.

[1309] Yeah.

[1310] So if he's like, ah, it's just shoulder strikes.

[1311] That said, the soldier strikes didn't end the fight.

[1312] The shoulder strikes definitely got him off on the wrong foot.

[1313] Then, Cowboy threw a kick to Conner's arms, and then Connor counter with a head kick.

[1314] Rocked Cowboy bad.

[1315] Rocked him.

[1316] You see his legs go, and then Connor hits him with pistons.

[1317] He hits so hard.

[1318] People could say it was a work.

[1319] He broke his fucking orbital bone.

[1320] Yeah.

[1321] But Stephen A. Smith said that he felt like Cowboy quit.

[1322] He did not quit.

[1323] He got smashed.

[1324] He got smashed.

[1325] He can't say someone quit after getting, they're not.

[1326] nose broke and rocked and a broken orbital.

[1327] You can't say to quit.

[1328] It's also who you're talking about.

[1329] You're talking about a guy who was the most fights in the UFC, the most finishes in the UFC, the most head kick knockouts in the UFC, the most bonuses in the UFC.

[1330] Cowboy is a fucking legend.

[1331] He is as tough as they come.

[1332] He's lost before.

[1333] Every human can lose, especially you're fighting guys like Darren Till and Jorge Mazvedal and these fucking animals that he's fighting.

[1334] He's fighting the cream of the crop or Connor.

[1335] And Connor broke, literally broke his face.

[1336] He broke his nose and he broke his orbital.

[1337] So Stephen A. Smith responded, and then Connor responded.

[1338] Yeah, yeah, I've seen that.

[1339] Connor told him to apologize.

[1340] And Connor's right.

[1341] Yeah, he is right.

[1342] I mean, give Connor the credit a little bit.

[1343] I think the problem is Stephen A. Smith, who's a very entertaining guy and is very knowledgeable about other sports.

[1344] This is not his wheelhouse.

[1345] And also that style of dismissing athletes and putting people down.

[1346] That's how he kind of made his name That's how he made his name And it's fun to listen to He's a fun guy to listen to Yeah He talks great shit You know But I wonder I mean I'm sure Basketball players Are kind of saying The same stuff We're saying When he's criticizing basketball players Or football players You know what you mean Oh I'm sure I'm sure I mean I don't know Too much about that Jamie you're a sports fan Right Do they criticize him too?

[1347] I mean he's respected for sure Yeah yeah But that's the show he was on It's like Every day he's got to wake up and give his take, and they've got to talk about it for an hour or two.

[1348] And a lot of the take, it's like, the controversy is, like, good.

[1349] Yeah, they got to get some shit to talk about, yeah.

[1350] And he had a radio show for three hours he did after that, so, like, he talks all day long.

[1351] Yeah, and he's entertaining.

[1352] That's what people like to hear.

[1353] They like to see, hear somewhat passionate.

[1354] You ever hear him and Teddy Atlas, yeah.

[1355] argue after the Connor McGregor Floyd made with a fight?

[1356] Yeah, yeah.

[1357] Because Teddy adds to like, Connor McGregor made the best.

[1358] Chef in the world, be a fucking fast food cook.

[1359] That's basically how they're like back and for.

[1360] The two of them yelling and arguing.

[1361] It's very entertaining.

[1362] That's his position, all right?

[1363] I just think that this sport demands more appreciation, more respect, and it demands a higher level of reverence to the athletes who literally put their lives on the line.

[1364] It's different.

[1365] I don't think you have to say the guy quit to describe what happened.

[1366] No, you could just talk about what Connor did that was so special.

[1367] Look, the guy finds tricky ways to do things in those shoulder strikes.

[1368] Look, we've seen guys do shoulder shrugs before, but we never saw anybody do it successfully.

[1369] But you've got to think about the UFC is a lot of what happens in the UFC is someone, out of all these fights, finally does something, and then other people start doing that thing.

[1370] Like, you remember when no one was throwing front kicks to the face.

[1371] No one.

[1372] For all those fucking years.

[1373] Yep.

[1374] All of a sudden, Anderson knocks out Vitor, who's like one of the elite strikers, knocks him out with a front kick to the face.

[1375] And you're like, what the fuck?

[1376] And then you see everyone trying it.

[1377] Nobody ever did it.

[1378] I don't remember anybody ever, even in kickboxing, people very rarely threw a front kick to the face.

[1379] It just wasn't, you know, they would teep to the face.

[1380] Right, to the body, yeah.

[1381] But even teeps to the face, it was more like...

[1382] Your range thing.

[1383] Yeah, all you were, like, pushing his face.

[1384] Right.

[1385] Like, you very rarely, unless someone caught it perfect, saw a guy get knocked out with like a snap front kick with the ball of the foot.

[1386] It's almost like an uppercut the way it comes off from underneath.

[1387] Dude, it's a fucking devastating technique when done correctly.

[1388] I mean, Justin Buckholz got a KO with it outside of the UFC that's devastating.

[1389] Leota Machita did that jumping front kick to Randy Couture.

[1390] You knock a Randy Couture with a fucking front kick to the face.

[1391] That's a legit technique.

[1392] But then you see everybody doing that, like low calf kicks, right?

[1393] First guy I ever saw it was Benson.

[1394] Benson really, Benson Henderson really got into.

[1395] of those low calf kicks to me yeah right those are rough man but now everybody throws those kicks you gotta think of how many years went by before people were not throwing low calf kicks I guarantee you now when people get tied up in the clinch and someone's holding someone with double overhooks or whatever I don't remember how Connor had a hold of or Calway had a over under right over under was over under when someone's tied up in the clinch and you can't strike you're gonna see guys do that 100 % because this is a bone man It's a fucking bone right there.

[1396] And if anything, it's just something to distract them, you know, to move to something else.

[1397] But this, where your shoulder, the top of your shoulder, that's fucking hard.

[1398] Yeah, yeah.

[1399] You know, it's not the ideal thing to strike with, but when there's nothing else there, there's something there.

[1400] Yeah, it's, I could see how Stephen Smith would not think that that was effective.

[1401] I could see.

[1402] But for me, it was clearly effective.

[1403] There were hard shots.

[1404] There's a lot of power behind it.

[1405] There's a lot of explosion.

[1406] Connor dipping his level and.

[1407] coming up and slamming into it.

[1408] It was kind of crazy.

[1409] But even if you take that away, the head kick and the punches to finish, I mean, no one's quitting there.

[1410] He's not quick.

[1411] He got beat down.

[1412] He got beat down smashed by a guy who rises to the occasion.

[1413] Look, Cowboys had problems in the past with these really big fights.

[1414] And he looked nervous as fuck.

[1415] And he talks about it openly.

[1416] There was a video that they played, which I don't think they should have played, before the fight, because he had to hear that.

[1417] So they play in a video of him describing how nervous he gets before fights and how he's throws up right all that stuff and also about how he's kind of faking it he's pretending like he's fine but he's not inside i'm freaking the fuck out they played that before he fought i'm like why are you doing that thinking about even more yes that's what i was thinking i was saying fuck he does not need to hear this that's why i'm in the locker room when i'm in the locker room and the tv's on i'm always like turn that volume down i don't want to hear anybody talking about my fight turn that shit down good for you good for you i mean i'm cognizant of that when i see a guy in the locker room and and i'm talking and I try to pump them up.

[1418] Yeah, I want them to feel good.

[1419] Yeah, show up.

[1420] Well, when you come out, man, in that Biggie song, Da, da, da, da, da, da.

[1421] Biggie, that's, there's something about some fighters and songs, you know?

[1422] There's a connection to those guys that every time I hear that song, I think about you.

[1423] Yeah, man. I started 2009 when I fought Shirk, because it was the first time I ran out to it.

[1424] And I was like, man, the most shady Frankie baby, you know?

[1425] I was like, this is it.

[1426] Dude, Biggie's probably my Well, he's, if he's not my all time, he's like top three It's like, Nas is probably my all time But he's right up there Yeah, I think Biggie might be my guy too I, uh, seventh grade, I got that Ready to Die cassette tape And listen to the shit I think I listened to it till I couldn't listen to it no more, you know?

[1427] Yeah, well, I was, uh, on news radio I was doing the sitcom And, uh, I remember I listened to that fucking hypnotized song Like 10 times in a row Hell yeah I was like, God damn, that's a good song Yeah, he's, his flow was so entertaining he was he could tell a story better than anybody oh man he was a special dude he's a special dude did the the feud between him and tupac the fact that both of those guys got murdered yeah that's crazy right yeah like what the fuck man yeah like oh god how how good would they have been as they got older too i know and big he only pocket at least of cdies at least or mixed tapes you know come out after his death but they only had two albums really you know so they didn't have much much material isn't that crazy that pock put so much shit down yeah Pacman he was uh he was like an activist too you know so his everything was like politically charged and everything well he was unbelievably prolific yeah like he wrote so much he he he like after he was dead they released like five albums six that was crazy of all new stuff yeah where is all this shit from remember then they did the hologram he's a cubo recording that's why remember they had the hologram was at coachella yeah yeah that was so weird right that was so creepy.

[1428] I was like, what is the future going to be like?

[1429] We're going to see Janice Joplin up there singing.

[1430] Yeah, you're right.

[1431] You know, like legitimately.

[1432] They're going to be able to do that in the future.

[1433] That's true.

[1434] Like, they're probably going to be able to write new Janice Joplin songs and have her singing in a hologram.

[1435] And you won't even be able to tell it's not really her.

[1436] They just put, I just listened to the radio yesterday.

[1437] Chester Bennington from Lincoln Park, his first band he was in when he was like 18.

[1438] They had recordings of him that they just put new music to and re -released the music.

[1439] I think it's called like Gray Day.

[1440] or no gray or something like that i heard it so i didn't listen to it myself but i heard it's not bad that's a bummer he was a bummer i know that was a bummer a lot of these guys they i don't know just like a lot of artists seem like they're conflicted in some ways it's one of the reasons why they're so good yeah like when chester would sing it was like he was wailing all right you know like screaming you know there was something about his his the the angst and the anger and the energy and the emotions and his voice that was why he was so good and you know sometimes i i'll Like Lincoln Park, you're just listening because they jam and then you start listening to some of the words.

[1441] Like, man, this guy was, you've been feeling it for a while.

[1442] Yeah, he was going through some shit for sure.

[1443] Yeah, it's just, it's so hard to believe when someone like Chris Carnell or someone like him takes their own life.

[1444] Like, oh, man. They were good friends, right?

[1445] I believe so, yeah.

[1446] I think one of them, didn't he kill himself on his birthday or something like that?

[1447] I think so.

[1448] Yeah, something sad like that.

[1449] But again, two guys with those insane voices.

[1450] I mean, Sound Garden.

[1451] God damn, he was good.

[1452] Definitely, yeah.

[1453] Ooh.

[1454] Damn.

[1455] But it's like, it's almost like those guys that have that insane, and women, too, that have that insane emotion in their voice.

[1456] Like, they're just so, they're so torn and conflicted.

[1457] Yeah, that's, I mean, pour it out.

[1458] You could hear it in their voice, their heart's pouring out.

[1459] I think that's what it is.

[1460] Yeah.

[1461] Yeah.

[1462] Yeah, it's, um, I don't know, man. It's a bummer.

[1463] It's a bummer.

[1464] But the Tupac, they don't do that anymore, right?

[1465] That fucking hologram.

[1466] The Tupac hologram was built like Marlon.

[1467] Marlon Marlon Maris.

[1468] Did you ever see the Tupac holog?

[1469] I mean, a little bit, yeah.

[1470] Yeah, he was way more Jack than Tupac ever was.

[1471] Like, does Tupac been doing fucking CrossFit?

[1472] Yeah.

[1473] It's been doing F -45 for the last five years while he's in hiding.

[1474] He's been getting after it.

[1475] Yeah, there's a lot of guys that are, yeah, there it is.

[1476] Like, look how Jacked.

[1477] He is jacked him, abs.

[1478] He looks like Wiz Khalifa looks now.

[1479] Yeah, Wiz Khalifa again after it.

[1480] Yeah.

[1481] There was a good video the other day of Wiz Khalifa hit in the bag.

[1482] Like, I'm like, God damn, Whiz Kaliva?

[1483] Whiz Kalifa's got good technique.

[1484] He does.

[1485] He does Thai fights or he does that, yeah.

[1486] Yeah, he's doing a lot of Muay Thai.

[1487] But he's got crazy abs, man. The two is fucking jacked.

[1488] He is.

[1489] He's got no fat on him.

[1490] And he smokes weed all day.

[1491] My guy.

[1492] All day.

[1493] All day.

[1494] Is weed legal in New Jersey?

[1495] is you now how's it work uh medical is yeah yeah you have to have like a real problem right no you can't just have headaches can you have anxiety you could have yeah yeah i get that yeah there's wheat's cleaver yeah yeah he trains hard man yeah that's cool it's always good when uh these guys do do this stuff brings like to our sport yeah yeah snoop trains too yeah yeah yeah there's uh there's some videos of snoop training and sparring online it's awesome i love it i love it i mean it's just great for you too Even if you don't ever plan on fighting?

[1496] To me, I mean, you know, I'd rather hit pads and kick a bag than run on a fucking treadmill, man. Oh, for sure.

[1497] It's so much more entertaining.

[1498] These people realize that they would like it a lot more, too.

[1499] Do you run at all?

[1500] I do run.

[1501] I like to run.

[1502] But I don't run for my camps or anything.

[1503] I was never really doing.

[1504] I just spent work.

[1505] I just enjoy running.

[1506] Well, you've known for your endurance, you know, and when you would train, how much of you, did you do any cardio -specific?

[1507] workouts or was most of your cardio done through fight training i mean i did my strength condition and stuff would be a little cardio base you know just like circuit training and stuff uh actually started working with a new strength conditioning guy um it's a young kid man he's 24 but super passionate really into into how do you find someone like that you know i just uh actually todd fraser who's actually on my podcast we just dropped released episode today um he's champ of the tramp champ in the tramp he uh he's a press municipal player from my town and i asked him where he was doing his off -season training and you took me up with this guy.

[1508] This guy does R .P. Give your RPR a reflexive performance recovery or something.

[1509] No. No, reset performance recovery.

[1510] What is that?

[1511] He does, like, these certain things that just reset your nervous system, I guess.

[1512] Like, a bang on your back.

[1513] Bangs on your back, bang your back, and then you do a test, and, like, you're stronger in a weird way.

[1514] It's RPR.

[1515] Is that real?

[1516] Is that real?

[1517] Every test, that's what I'm like, I'm not a voodoo guy.

[1518] I'm not a voodoo guy.

[1519] And, yeah, but he has one where I chopped it, my inner thighs.

[1520] I'll go up and down like four times, and then he'll do something or test.

[1521] He'll make me go like a sit -up position and he'll try to push me down flat.

[1522] Before I did the test, I pretty much couldn't stop.

[1523] And then I did the test.

[1524] He almost put his body on me and I could hold them up.

[1525] Really?

[1526] I don't know if it's mental.

[1527] But I always feel good.

[1528] I'll come into training.

[1529] And I'll be like, and I'm, you know, I feel a little shoddy.

[1530] And he puts me through these tests.

[1531] And some of them hurt.

[1532] Like, sometimes he goes up and down your sternum on your ribs.

[1533] And, like, it's supposed to make you feel uncomfortable.

[1534] And you're supposed to relax and kind of wakes me up, gets me going.

[1535] Hmm.

[1536] And the idea is that it jumps your reflexes up?

[1537] Yeah.

[1538] I mean, again, I'm a dummy.

[1539] Yeah, I don't know it either.

[1540] I know for sure that, like, deep tissue work does a lot, right?

[1541] Deep tissue massage.

[1542] The way he explained it to was, like, I couldn't do it to myself.

[1543] Like, one of them where he kind of goes and he hits up my IT band on my left, on my inside and outside of my thigh.

[1544] And it hurts to the point where I'm like, I'm like, you're almost writhing in pain.

[1545] You know, I'm trying to relax and I don't do it.

[1546] But you can't do it to yourself.

[1547] It's like he says you can tickle yourself because you know the pressure you're giving yourself, but someone else could tick you.

[1548] So someone else that'd do this to you.

[1549] But isn't tickling like, do you don't have control?

[1550] Like, because like I can do the same pressure that someone would tickle me. But it's...

[1551] But you know the pressure you're giving yourself.

[1552] That's what was explained to me. Okay.

[1553] So like, you don't know what pressure?

[1554] So you're like, hey, what are you doing?

[1555] Yeah, you don't know the pressure they're given to you.

[1556] think that does something with your nervous system what do you think tickling is from do you think it's from like evolving to get away from bugs like you see you feel something on you're like yeah doesn't that make sense yeah like a spider's on you or some shit yeah yeah i mean yeah i think everything has to go back to that stuff right has to or or why do you hold your breath when you're like people say you gotta breathe breathe why hold your breath by because like you're in the middle of the woods and something's fucking hot and you're like you don't make any noise maybe or maybe just your body's just panicking because so much pressure you're pressure.

[1557] You know, like, you know, so much adrenaline, so much freaking out.

[1558] Your body just, your body doesn't what you do.

[1559] Your body tenses up.

[1560] Yeah, that's a thing about fighting, right, where guys when they're swinging in a big, like, big exchanges, they don't, they don't breathe and they get tired.

[1561] Right, yeah.

[1562] Yeah.

[1563] Like, you know, I don't know.

[1564] You have those coaches that are like, okay, guys, breathe.

[1565] I don't want my coach telling me to breathe in the corner.

[1566] No?

[1567] I'm like, I know how to breathe, though.

[1568] Tell me what I need to hear.

[1569] Right.

[1570] Well, did that drive?

[1571] drive you crazy when you hear corners that don't give good advice like go out and finish him yeah what does that mean thanks get up man get up I'm no shit go out there and kick his ass yeah that's why I was lucky to have you know guys that paid attention to detail like Mark and Ricardo man those guys are top notch technical yeah technical they're not giving you that you know sometimes you do you need to like sometimes some guys I think Mark got some flack for the Marlin fight where he was in the corner he was like your mother raised you blah blah blah you know and someone's like why is he talking about his mom because he knew he didn't need technique Neek.

[1572] He needed some motivation at that point.

[1573] Was Marlin too big?

[1574] Did he lose too much weight to get down to 35 and was he depleted?

[1575] Or was it Suhudo just steamrolled him?

[1576] I just think the moment, you know?

[1577] I think Marlon hit him with some good shots and he hit him with some good shots.

[1578] He hit him with some good shots, the head kick, the right hand.

[1579] Yeah.

[1580] And I think the fact that Sehudo just took it and kept coming forward, I think, kind of just demoralized Marlon a little bit.

[1581] In my eyes, in my eyes, Suhudo was not going to be able to take much more to the legs.

[1582] Yeah, no way.

[1583] I thought, for sure, and I first round I'm like, this fight's not going to the distance.

[1584] Yeah.

[1585] I thought Marlon was going to keep chopping at the legs, but Marlon let Sehudo close the distance and get a hold of him, started hitting him with knees, and I was like, oh, Jesus Christ.

[1586] Yeah, yeah.

[1587] And even like, I mean, Marlon, it was in that tie clinch, too.

[1588] I'm like, dude, Marlon knows how to deal with a tie clinch.

[1589] Yeah.

[1590] And he just wasn't even reacting to it.

[1591] He's like, kind of letting him hit him with the knees, I felt like.

[1592] Almost.

[1593] It's like, I felt like he was just depleted.

[1594] It seemed like he didn't have the energy to fight the kind of fight that Suhudo was willing to fight.

[1595] Especially Suhudo at 35, right?

[1596] Sehudo at 25, he's draining himself a little bit.

[1597] But Suhudo at 35 was much healthier.

[1598] Yeah.

[1599] And just fucking guy's just tough as shit, man. He has a winner's mind.

[1600] Find the way.

[1601] He's got a winner's mind.

[1602] You know, and his, the videos that he makes are pretty ridiculous.

[1603] Super ridiculous.

[1604] Triple C. Come on.

[1605] Bend the knee.

[1606] I mean, I guess that's, you know, Everyone's got to have a stick now, you know?

[1607] I guess they do, because it keeps them out there.

[1608] It's just, it's weird because this sport is part of that, right?

[1609] It's like part, it's part promotion, but it's also performance.

[1610] It's like guys like Connor are the perfect blend.

[1611] Yeah.

[1612] Like he's just, just being him himself.

[1613] But Connor's like, it's entertaining, it's funny.

[1614] Yeah.

[1615] Some of these other guys, man, it's just so forced.

[1616] It's rough.

[1617] But look, like Kobe Covington.

[1618] Kobe Covington, shit talked to his.

[1619] way to a goddamn title shot.

[1620] He really did.

[1621] And then fought his ass off.

[1622] But he's also very good.

[1623] Very good.

[1624] I mean, you can't not be good.

[1625] But the UFC was willing to, they wanted to cut him before he fought in Brazil.

[1626] Do you know that?

[1627] Yeah, I heard the story.

[1628] That was the last fight on his contract.

[1629] He's going over there to fight Damien Maya.

[1630] And he just talked mad shit.

[1631] He said, I'm going to, kept him on board.

[1632] He's like, yeah, that was what, that's what did it.

[1633] I mean, that's literally what did it.

[1634] And then that character just took off.

[1635] You go and look at the early versions of that character.

[1636] He had nice suits.

[1637] Like, he had, like, a real crisp suit like Connor would wear.

[1638] But then later, he's got these terrible cheap suits.

[1639] It's like, it's part of the fun of it.

[1640] He's wearing bullshit suits and a maga hat.

[1641] He's playing to a character.

[1642] Fuck, man. He fucking figured it out.

[1643] Well, how about Connor?

[1644] He's kind of made a little 180 -type flip on his personal.

[1645] He's still funny.

[1646] He's still, you know, moutty and stuff, but he's not being, and he seems like he's trying to clean his image up a little bit.

[1647] You think with cowboy?

[1648] You think that's it?

[1649] Maybe it was cowboy.

[1650] Cowboy's kind of easy to get along with it and whatnot, or maybe.

[1651] Maybe it's just that he's been dealing with so much, you know.

[1652] With the Kabib fight and all that stuff and, you know, hitting the old guy and the shit that he's dealing with over there, you know.

[1653] He's like, you know, he's got a, that proper 12, he's got a total line a little bit.

[1654] Yes, right?

[1655] I mean, you got to think proper 12 is an enormous amount of money for him.

[1656] I mean, he's making shit tons of money.

[1657] I was in Vegas.

[1658] That fucking, those billboards were everywhere.

[1659] Yeah.

[1660] On cars and shit.

[1661] He was, he was sponsoring to Bellator Cage, too.

[1662] Was he?

[1663] Good for him.

[1664] Good for him.

[1665] Yeah, I wonder.

[1666] But I also think, I don't think he felt like he needs psychological warfare with Cowboy.

[1667] I feel like he thought from the beginning that he had a giant advantage over Cowboy.

[1668] Yeah.

[1669] You know, like, if you go back to an old press conference, he's talking back and shit to each other, he's like, you're stiff as a board.

[1670] Right, right, yeah.

[1671] Fucking break in half.

[1672] Yeah.

[1673] I think, yeah, he just felt like this fight, look, I could just be a nice guy with this guy.

[1674] Right.

[1675] But with Khabib, I think he felt like he had to fuck with him.

[1676] I felt like he felt that he had to get Khabi emotional, the same way he got Aldo emotional.

[1677] But that shit didn't work.

[1678] That motherfucker's a, he's a vault.

[1679] He look in his eyes.

[1680] You just see nothing but doom.

[1681] Yeah, no, he's, it's just those people out there.

[1682] They call it the step where they're from, right?

[1683] Is that the step?

[1684] Is that where it would be considered the step?

[1685] Well, Mongolia is a step, right?

[1686] Oh, okay.

[1687] Isn't that?

[1688] It's close to there, isn't it?

[1689] I don't know.

[1690] is it the hard part of the world though yeah know that did you see when he won when the fucking they have a video the streets the streets in dagon everybody lights on their cars honking their horns fucking screaming out the window yeah dude shoot machine guns up here yeah yeah he's he's a fucking terror man and i am so interested in this fight coming up with him and tony ferguson i am so interested in that fight that's a crazy fight who that fight is everything to me that fight that fight I don't know how Dana White is doing these press conferences talking about matching up Connor and Kabid.

[1691] I'm like, hey, hey, what about the boogeyman?

[1692] Because the boogeyman is right now a big bear fucking doing kicks on trees and shit and wing chung dubby and rocks and stuff.

[1693] Doesn't he build his own gym?

[1694] Yes, he builds his own gym.

[1695] Eddie Bravo, you talk to him about it because he does his camps?

[1696] He helps him in his jiu -jitsu.

[1697] He talks him through it.

[1698] Eddie Bravo, we'll talk you through it rather, he goes up there, he'll get a house up there, like rent a house, or he has a place, I don't know which what it is, but then he builds everything.

[1699] He builds the racks for the bags.

[1700] He builds the fucking, he mats the rooms, he does everything himself.

[1701] He is a unique human being.

[1702] He is, yeah.

[1703] And you want to talk about cardio.

[1704] That guy is the freak of all freaks, because he never even seems a little tired.

[1705] Not at all.

[1706] And keeps coming forward.

[1707] Keeps coming forward, never seems even a little tired.

[1708] and everyone he fights looks like they got mauled by a leopard Everyone's faces hanging off Look at this shit that he does Headstands and stuff He's in the break dancing, right?

[1709] But he's always doing this kind of shit Like weird kind of exercise Look at this, just standing only on his head That's a good way to blow your discs out Yeah, yeah Want stinosis?

[1710] There you go, that's how he gets denosis Oh man Look at it Like look at this shit he does But that's every kind of training where And like no one's telling him what to do either No, he does on his own Like guys who've gone to camp with him Say it's like, okay, today we're gonna run hills Like he just decides Yeah, like what we're gonna do Different car, different dude Yeah, well and Eddie told me that His cardio is fucking ridiculous Like they'll be doing these hill sprints And he'll do these hill sprints With his other training partners And he's lapping them He runs all the way up and all the way down And then all the and then passes them As they're still up the first time He's a freak Yeah, that's an interesting fight it's a fucking great fight that's why i don't understand why dana is not like considering the fact that tony ferguson would win that fight what is he you think he's implying that kabee's already got this one they're talking about kabee versus connor because look that's the money yeah yeah ching ching ching but from what i hear kabee won't won't won't fight him he said he fight it for a hundred million dollars that's what he said yeah oh then he's going to fight him I think his dad said that His dad said That he'll fight Connor For the same amount of money That Connor made fight in Floyd Wow But I don't know if you could get $100 million in the UFC Do you think that fight Connor Khabib will be big A big fight?

[1711] The problem is Because Dana is saying it's going to be as big as Kabe or Connor Floyd I don't know That was a pretty big fight Yeah Floyd brings a different thing to the table right.

[1712] Floyd brings all the hardcore boxing fans and the fact of Floyd.

[1713] And he's so polarizing.

[1714] Yeah.

[1715] And he's the best boxer of all time.

[1716] I mean, you stop and think about the amount of times that guy's been hit over a period of 50 fights.

[1717] It's insane.

[1718] His defensive skills and his ability to size up an opponent and figure out what the guy's doing and then start to break him down systematically.

[1719] He's the best.

[1720] He's the best.

[1721] He's like, there's been guys that have been incredible and they're like up in his level, you know, like all time great fighters.

[1722] but in terms of not getting hit, I don't think anybody's been as good as Floyd.

[1723] Yeah, I agree.

[1724] So to have Connor go in there and fight him, a guy who's never had a professional boxing match, but is fucking up everybody in MMA and all these people think he has a chance and there's all this hype behind it, all his craziness, and the fact that it was this sort of crossover fight.

[1725] Yeah, it had a lot of...

[1726] First time ever, really?

[1727] Yeah, well, basically, yeah.

[1728] James Tony, Randy.

[1729] That was ridiculous, though.

[1730] I don't think James Tony even trained M .M .A. for that fight.

[1731] I was on that car.

[1732] That's when I full BJ second time.

[1733] Oh, really?

[1734] Oh, that's right.

[1735] That's right.

[1736] Yeah, as soon as Randy ankle picked him, I was like, oh, this is over.

[1737] This is over.

[1738] You don't have that fucking animal on top of you?

[1739] Randy Cotor in his prime.

[1740] Randy Cotor.

[1741] Man, I looked up to Randy big time coming up.

[1742] What a great guy he is.

[1743] He is.

[1744] I still run into him nowadays.

[1745] He's a super solid guy.

[1746] He was so calm when he got into the cage.

[1747] It was so crazy.

[1748] Like, I remember he was like one of the first guys ever.

[1749] He's getting ready to fight.

[1750] They're ready to announce him He looks over at me And just winks And gives me a big smile I'm like This guy all relaxing and shit Just saying hi to people He loved it Love competing Love being in there man And didn't even start fighting Until he was in his mid -30s Yeah And he's just wrestling I was at his first fight I was able to fight so long too Yeah Yeah maybe Yeah maybe Yeah it's It's kind of crazy When you think about his career too You know Light heavyweight champ Champion Heavyweight champ Came back And won to beat Sylvia That was crazy.

[1751] When he dropped Sylvia with that right hand, I was like, what the fuck?

[1752] I was worried about him in that fight.

[1753] I was like, you think about, like, guys like Chuck LaDelle knocking him out.

[1754] What is Tim Sylvia going to do?

[1755] He's an enormous.

[1756] You know, and Tim Sylvia, back when there was no testing, when, like, Tim Sylvia fought Rico Rodriguez, people forget.

[1757] Tim Sylvia was not like this doughy guy back then.

[1758] You know, like when he fought, do you remember that fight when he fought Rico?

[1759] Yeah.

[1760] That's scary Tim Sylvia.

[1761] Oh, yeah.

[1762] He had a back, like a fucking brick wall.

[1763] He was huge, and he had to cut weight to make 265.

[1764] I remember he had to come back to the scale.

[1765] Like, he missed it the first time.

[1766] That was back in the old days.

[1767] Yeah.

[1768] When I was wrestling in my junior, senior year, high school, so it was like 98, 99.

[1769] Our manager on a team said her brother fought in UFC.

[1770] I'm like, this is when, you know, UFC wasn't as popular.

[1771] I'm like, get out of here.

[1772] You probably never fought UFC.

[1773] And it was Rico Rodriguez, it was their stepbrother, and I ran into him one day.

[1774] He's like, I used to date my sister back in a day.

[1775] I'm like, ah, a little bit.

[1776] Rico Rodriguez was a bad motherfucker.

[1777] Hell yeah.

[1778] He was one of the first real high -level jiu -jitsu guys.

[1779] He's still around Jersey.

[1780] He's still around Jersey a little bit.

[1781] What's he doing these days?

[1782] He was coaching, you know, if you know, Jamal Patterson, he's one of hands on his black belts.

[1783] He was coaching his place, yeah.

[1784] Oh, no shit.

[1785] Coaching wrestling?

[1786] Oh, Jiu -Jitsu, I think.

[1787] Yeah.

[1788] Yeah.

[1789] Yeah, Rico was a beast, man. And, you know, that guy fought a giant chunk of his career with a blown -out ACL.

[1790] Oh, really?

[1791] He had no ACL.

[1792] He just, like, rehabbed his knees or rehabbed his legs, like built up his muscles.

[1793] Got him strong and just dealt with it.

[1794] Yeah, like, I think they say your hamstring is, like, a big part of it.

[1795] Like, if you strengthen your hamstring up.

[1796] But most people can't do it.

[1797] Like, most people, when the ACL's blown out, like, they can't, they can't compete.

[1798] Right.

[1799] But Rico could.

[1800] That's wild.

[1801] Supposedly Dosangios has a blown -out ACL.

[1802] Oh, does he?

[1803] Yeah, supposedly.

[1804] he's been fighting with it yeah yeah that's what I heard I need to talk to him yeah find out if that's a fact my knee's always been always been good yeah thank God never had knee problems none I mean I've had LCL tears MCL tears but never surgery or anything no meniscus surgery nothing no wow yeah that's rare right everybody's knees are fucked up after a watch especially a wrestler never wore knee pads in my life here really yeah what if that's why no no can't be but uh like you know Bispink just got his knee completely replaced.

[1805] That was scary.

[1806] I was like, God damn.

[1807] He's only like 41.

[1808] And don't they only last 10 years?

[1809] Yep.

[1810] I think so.

[1811] I would try the stem cells first, I think.

[1812] Or is it maybe just past the point of that?

[1813] I don't know.

[1814] I mean, they wanted to do that to my mom.

[1815] They wanted to get my mom knee replacing, but I sent her down to Panama.

[1816] And she's fine now.

[1817] Yeah?

[1818] Wow.

[1819] Dude, crazy.

[1820] It took eight months.

[1821] I was really worried that it wasn't working because I talked to her, you know, Afterwards, and I talked to her up to like six months.

[1822] She wasn't feeling anything different.

[1823] And then she started to feel better.

[1824] And then, like, eight months later, the pain went away.

[1825] It was gone.

[1826] That's amazing.

[1827] Yeah, and then I sent her back again.

[1828] And then the second round, she's doing – but here's what's weird.

[1829] When I saw her for Christmas, she looked younger.

[1830] Really?

[1831] Yeah, I was like, you look great.

[1832] Did they just inject the stem cells in the knee, or did they – They put them in both knees, and they also did IV, and they do it for three days.

[1833] So you just get braw.

[1834] down there they just fill you up and then you walk out of they're like oh i wonder if that stuff helps uh lyme disease i bet it would yeah they say it has to go to the brain barrier or something right i don't know the blood brain barrier yeah um well i mean it's they they inject the stem cells intravenously so you don't have to talk to dr reardon yeah he'll probably be able to explain it but i mean i think anything that boost your immune system and and helps your overall body and the idea of doing it intravenously is that your body knows where to utilize it your body knows areas that are troubled it's weird that your body has some strange innate intelligence to know we need yeah that knows where the injuries are like how's that working it knows what's wrong with your brain like how's that working yeah that's wow like what yeah what is it doing tracks i guess it tracks it right yeah i'm i'm really excited about the future that shit because i think um you know uh i talked to Dr. Jeff Davidson from the UFC and he just got back from you know Dr. Joe yeah yeah he's an awesome guy he's great he's the one who got me into stem cells in the first place he's the one he's the one of my shoulder me too did you do dr roddy McGee or did you know I actually did do Roddy McGee way back uh I had stem so the first time I had stem cells was uh in my groin yeah yeah yeah but uh you have a torn muscle something I had like a sports hernia oh wow I had the same surgery uh Usman had oh really yeah yeah yeah Damn.

[1835] Same, we went to the same guy, too.

[1836] This guy, Dr. Myers, he actually invented the surgery.

[1837] If you call it a sports hernia, he gets mad at you because it's not a sports hernia.

[1838] It's a core muscle injury.

[1839] Well, what is it?

[1840] How does it work?

[1841] I think they cut the tendons in my thighs and also my abs, cut them completely off, and then resold them together.

[1842] Whoa.

[1843] It was painful for a one week, super painful, maybe two weeks super painful.

[1844] But literally six weeks later, I was kicking a heavy bag.

[1845] really yeah it's amazing you do physical therapy the day you get out the next day i'm a physical therapy wow yeah and um it was bad like i had this i probably i was dealing with it for like two uh like two two two years it would come and go i would get flamed up where i couldn't even cough down there or like couldn't you know it was pretty i remember the one time went to get finally get checked out and to get the MRI i went to the doctor by myself drove up to the city and came home I didn't eat anything because I had to park my car and walk to the damn doctor and was like, you know, a couple blocks in the city.

[1846] It took me forever to walk anywhere.

[1847] So I didn't even stop and eat.

[1848] I come home.

[1849] I parked my car and I call my wife.

[1850] I'm like, you've got to help me get out of the car.

[1851] I can't get out of the car.

[1852] Jesus.

[1853] I get out of the car and walking.

[1854] I literally passed out while I was walking.

[1855] Whoa.

[1856] She caught me. She caught me. I had to crawl into my house.

[1857] Holy shit.

[1858] I was like, damn.

[1859] So I got that surgery and it was the best thing I had.

[1860] They're probably the best surgery I've had.

[1861] That's crazy that it was that bad.

[1862] Oh, so painful.

[1863] So pain.

[1864] It's probably because I didn't eat.

[1865] That's why I passed out all that stuff too.

[1866] But, yeah, that was rough.

[1867] When I hear about a guy like you passing out, I'm like, okay.

[1868] This is a motherfucker that stays awake.

[1869] I've never passed out in my life.

[1870] I never passed out in my life.

[1871] That's the first time.

[1872] So they detached the tendons.

[1873] Yeah.

[1874] The ligaments.

[1875] Is it tendons?

[1876] It must be tendons.

[1877] Must be tendons.

[1878] Yeah, they cut the ones here, like up my thigh.

[1879] And then, I guess, like, you have, it connects on three points, like by your leg.

[1880] So what was wrong, though?

[1881] It was tearing.

[1882] It was like playing, like, it was pulling.

[1883] Each side was pulling the other side.

[1884] So I was getting tears everywhere.

[1885] And so when they do that, they cinch it down again.

[1886] And then how's it better six weeks later?

[1887] Then that next day, I go there and I start doing like the foot, foot exercises.

[1888] They put the bands on.

[1889] I'm doing all that stuff.

[1890] I guess they just, just strengthens up.

[1891] Wow.

[1892] But it's crazy that's six weeks later.

[1893] I would think that's not a lot of healing.

[1894] Yeah, six weeks later.

[1895] And he told you you'd be good to go six weeks later?

[1896] Yeah.

[1897] So how quickly after that could you have fought?

[1898] January.

[1899] I'm trying to think, I fought that in May. I forgot surgery in January.

[1900] I fought that May. The first time Usman came in here, he had a bag on his waist that was draining.

[1901] Well, he had that, like, uh, yeah, yeah.

[1902] He had both sides.

[1903] I only had one side, I think.

[1904] Yeah, I was like, what the fuck is that?

[1905] Like, you know, he took him a long time to recover after the, the car and weed.

[1906] Dude, my downstairs was all jacked out of him.

[1907] My balls are so fucking big.

[1908] Really?

[1909] Oh, my God.

[1910] They swell up.

[1911] Did you take pictures?

[1912] Of course.

[1913] Yeah, you'd have to, right?

[1914] Like how many of your balls are going to look like that again?

[1915] There's a hockey player, Sidney Crosby, remember I told you?

[1916] He recently got this surgery, and O'Dell Beckham, a popular NFL receiver, just got this last week.

[1917] Really?

[1918] By a doctor in Philadelphia.

[1919] So it's Dr. Myers.

[1920] Yep, that's the guy I went to.

[1921] Yeah, he does everybody.

[1922] Imagine one dude specializing him one.

[1923] The guy's not even, like, a surgeon, I think.

[1924] It's kind of crazy.

[1925] What?

[1926] He's not like a, he's not a surgeon for, like, orthopedic doctor.

[1927] He created this surgery, though.

[1928] But it must be a surgeon.

[1929] Athletic pulbidia?

[1930] Does that sound right?

[1931] Say it again?

[1932] Athletic Pubalgia.

[1933] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1934] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[1935] Yeah, that's it.

[1936] Pubalgia.

[1937] Why do you say it?

[1938] I don't know how to.

[1939] When they invent a name.

[1940] Why invent that name?

[1941] Why invent that name?

[1942] Right, right.

[1943] Why pool ballgea?

[1944] Football, what does it mean?

[1945] What does pool ball gear mean?

[1946] Geroin disruption.

[1947] Ah, also known as groin disruption.

[1948] Sportsmen.

[1949] Sports hernia.

[1950] But he told me he's like, it's not a sports hernia.

[1951] Persistent groin pain during exercise where there's no evidence of clinically detectable hernia.

[1952] Athletic Pubalgia is not a true hernia, but it's considered an overuse injury in which the external oblique muscles and surrounding tendons and or traverse abdominous or internal oblique muscles are worn down or partially torn.

[1953] So this is, okay, conservative treatment consists of rest, medications, or physical therapy of conservative treatment.

[1954] Fails, surgical treatment may be suggested as an alternative.

[1955] The procedure may be performed using a laparoscopic or open anterior approach.

[1956] Polypropylene or polyester mess is suggested, mesh is suggested to correct the identified abnormality.

[1957] However, there's no data from randomized studies to confirm effectiveness of this surgery.

[1958] Well, why don't you talk to Frankie Motherfucking Edgar, Wikipedia or whoever that is that you're getting that thing off of?

[1959] It's funny that some doctors just figure something out.

[1960] Yeah, yeah, he's killing it too.

[1961] I mean, you know, I don't know, a bunch of athletes, but there's a bunch of famous athletes that went through that guy.

[1962] It's crazy that I didn't know that that was a persistent injury, and then all these guys have it.

[1963] I never even heard of that before.

[1964] Yeah, I mean, I didn't know what it was until it happened.

[1965] Again, that's probably one of those things of being too tough for your own good, right?

[1966] Yeah, for a little bit of an injury.

[1967] I just kept pushing through.

[1968] Before I dot that, I got an epidural in there.

[1969] That was crazy.

[1970] Literally, they go through, probably by my pubs.

[1971] And they go that way.

[1972] Oh, Jesus.

[1973] Needle was like six inches long.

[1974] I'm in the doctor's office.

[1975] My junk's practically out, you know?

[1976] And he's putting this thing in.

[1977] I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, and also he puts the medicine in.

[1978] When he put the medicine in, that's when it flared up.

[1979] up, I'm screaming, fuck, take it out, take it out.

[1980] He's like, hang on, hang on.

[1981] That only lasted for like a couple months, and then it came back.

[1982] Oh, so epidural just kind of numbs it, right?

[1983] Yeah.

[1984] I've had several in my back.

[1985] Have you?

[1986] Yeah, I had back surgery when I was 18, actually.

[1987] You did?

[1988] Yeah.

[1989] What kind?

[1990] Dysectomy.

[1991] Oh, so a little bit of a menisket or a little bit of the disc.

[1992] A bulge disc, yeah.

[1993] Yeah, they cut it out.

[1994] But it worked pretty good.

[1995] It does work good, but there's ways around that for certain injuries.

[1996] For 18, I probably should know.

[1997] I was an 18 -year -old.

[1998] A lot of people I had it in my neck And they were talking about me doing that But virginicine cured it Yeah They were talking about doing it Like I went to one doctor And he was like You're probably gonna have to get the disc trimmed That was eight years ago Oh And you're good to go Yeah what's that was it Maybe Yeah Yeah At least At least Let's say at least five years ago Six years ago It is I've no pain in my neck now You know another thing though The iron neck I fucking love that thing Yeah That's something seen I see people using that I got around here You want to try it Yeah Yeah, dude, it's the shit.

[1999] It's the shit.

[2000] You put that thing, it is the single best thing I've ever used for developing neck muscles.

[2001] And for jiu -jitsu and wrestling, it's fantastic too because it's attached to a bungee cord, right?

[2002] So the bungee cord is a 50 -pound cord, and you put this halo on, and then you pump it up, like a Reebok pump.

[2003] You know, remember those old pumps?

[2004] You pump it up and it gets tight to your head, and then you can control the amount of resistance when you turn, right?

[2005] Because it's, it's actually got resistance when you turn.

[2006] So you pull back, so your neck is holding this 50 -pound cord back this way, and then you're doing this.

[2007] Oh, wow.

[2008] You know, I've seen someone, I've seen someone had that attached to, like, you know, a gym equipment.

[2009] Yes.

[2010] And then their shadow box.

[2011] Oh, yeah.

[2012] Well, the idea is it's like your neck is constantly resisting this.

[2013] So, like, when dudes are trying to snap you down or pull your neck down or you're trying to posture out of triangles and shit, like, when do you ever work out your neck in that way.

[2014] And most people, when they work out their neck, they put one of them harnesses on, which just, you know, does something.

[2015] But a lot of doctors will tell you that that's not a normal action for your neck to be lifting weights with, and you could do some damage to your, I don't know if they're right or right.

[2016] I don't know.

[2017] But I know the iron neck, you don't have to do any of that shit.

[2018] So it's basically just the muscles in your neck.

[2019] And you're not making your neck hold weight at a weird angle, like this way or that way.

[2020] Just natural movements.

[2021] It's just straight.

[2022] your neck is always straight and it's turning it's just the muscles are getting exercise and everything gets stronger uh i know corey's into it yeah yeah yeah cori Anderson yeah he loves talking about yeah yeah i was just wondering if it's good if you're you know if your neck is bad well according to them they've had people that would had neck injuries they rehabilitated it with that because it strengthens all the areas so like say if this is just me talking but if you have an area where you have an injury and it keeps getting hurt.

[2023] If you strengthen all that area around that, it's not going to be as mobile, right?

[2024] You're going to have more control and it's probably going to protect it more.

[2025] That just makes sense, yeah.

[2026] But I'm a big fan of that product.

[2027] I love when, and that was a football player that figured that out.

[2028] Oh, really?

[2029] Yeah.

[2030] What was the gentleman's name?

[2031] They figured the guy who came and he gave me a bunch of demonstrations and shit.

[2032] But it's great for football players as well.

[2033] And they, and his idea was that it was also going to help prolong people's careers because it'll prevent more concussions because you're not the store your neck is right you're not going to get your head snapped as easy you're going to be able to withstand much more impact you know it's they find it's it's so interesting that all these people that are involved in uh athletic equipment they figure these things out like what what do how do we strengthen a core better how do we strengthen the neck better how do we do this how do we do that you know glad there's people smarter than me out there well you can't be you can't be on top of everything.

[2034] Mike Jolly.

[2035] Say his last name again?

[2036] Jolly.

[2037] Mike Jolly.

[2038] That didn't sound like you said that the first.

[2039] Sorry, my voice.

[2040] Swallowed it, I think.

[2041] Oh, okay.

[2042] Yeah.

[2043] Anyway, Mike explained the whole thing.

[2044] It's a very impressive piece of equipment.

[2045] I love it.

[2046] Yeah.

[2047] I mean, all that's the reverse hyper too.

[2048] I got that.

[2049] Oh, love that.

[2050] That thing's the shit.

[2051] Yeah.

[2052] I want to get a belt squat.

[2053] You have a belt squad?

[2054] You have a belt squad?

[2055] We don't have one, but we saw that when we were there.

[2056] They offered it to us the web.

[2057] side barbell to come down put it in here we'll probably get it done because you put a lot of load on your body without having to load your back yes yeah without fucking your backup yeah and guys do shadow boxing and shit with that on yeah yeah yeah that's why i really go for your legs oh really increase your ability to punch and to push off of stuff do you ever use the uh it's like a wheel it's like centrifugal force you pull up on it it makes it uh ah shit a wheel it's like a wheel that and it wraps around so you could do lifts and the more the quicker you go up the faster it pulls you down.

[2058] Hmm.

[2059] I feel like they had that, too.

[2060] Didn't they have that at West Side Barbell?

[2061] He's got all kinds of crazy shit down there.

[2062] That guy, Louis Simmons, he's a mad, genius psychopath.

[2063] Yeah.

[2064] Yeah, I've watched some of his stuff.

[2065] He seems pretty nuts.

[2066] He's nuts.

[2067] And having him, like, show me all of his stuff and, like, we did a podcast with him.

[2068] Right, right.

[2069] I remember, I listened to it, yeah.

[2070] It's pretty cool.

[2071] You were here at his place.

[2072] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2073] Sitting across from him at his desk.

[2074] he told me that he got his shoulder replaced and then the day he got back to the gym they made him max out bench press I was like what the fuck man they told me to do it I had to do it animals crazy he's talking steroids ain't bad for you I've been on steroids since the 60s yeah they never get off that's the thing yeah you can't right you can't yeah no but I mean everything's on him who was telling us this was it Rob Kearney was telling us this that he um he had his bicep replaced his bicep tendon because his bicep tendon blew out and so he had his arm in a sling and he lasted like a week and he got tired of it and just straighten his arm out and popped it off so he could lift again What?

[2075] So both of his biceps are, oh there's me and this fucking thing.

[2076] There's the bell squad, yeah.

[2077] My stupid fucking paper boy hat.

[2078] That's a cool machine man. Very cool.

[2079] And there's Louis.

[2080] Yeah, he's got, I mean, what is that thing?

[2081] Different too.

[2082] Yeah.

[2083] What does that thing do?

[2084] It's more for like football players, I guess, but he was showing it.

[2085] It's like it's a belt squat, I think.

[2086] Oh, no, it's like a thing you hit.

[2087] I think you have to have the thing.

[2088] Oh, the belt on?

[2089] Yeah.

[2090] Oh, okay.

[2091] So you put the belt squat on and then you hit that thing.

[2092] Right.

[2093] Yeah.

[2094] Well, those guys, man, that west side barbell, a bunch of fucking animals down there.

[2095] Yeah, he's like the trains like the world's strongest people, right?

[2096] Yeah.

[2097] Yeah, there was a bunch of freaks like that dude.

[2098] It was in there working out while we were there.

[2099] Super strong human beings.

[2100] And yeah, again, I'm happy there's people out there that are smart who can figure those things out.

[2101] Like Louis Simmons invented that reverse hyper because they told him that he needed to get his disc fused.

[2102] Right, yeah.

[2103] And he's like, oh, do I really?

[2104] Hmm.

[2105] Hold my beer.

[2106] Yeah.

[2107] He figured out, like, the best way to decompress your lower back and to strengthen that area.

[2108] I mean, that machine's...

[2109] Yeah, it's great.

[2110] Sometimes I feel like I wait until my back hurts to use it.

[2111] That's my right.

[2112] Me too.

[2113] Me too.

[2114] I try to do it twice a week.

[2115] I try to get in here twice a week and just do a few sets on that.

[2116] Yeah, I got to make a little more consistent with that.

[2117] Yeah, because it strengthens your lower back in a real weird way that's hard to reach any other way.

[2118] It is.

[2119] And I like how it gives you the traction, too.

[2120] Yes, the, like, yeah, it gives you traction, but it gives you like, what do they call it, active traction.

[2121] Right.

[2122] So it's like decompressing, active decompression.

[2123] Yeah, it's awesome, man. I love it.

[2124] I love those teetered things, too, hang by your ankles, like anything to give your backs.

[2125] Invergent table, yeah, I have one of them, too.

[2126] I got the inverted table Which is great where you hang by your ankles But then I got another one What's the other one called the decks The decks?

[2127] That's my favorite Where you hang by your waist It's just from your waist Because I feel like when you hang by your ankles It's great But it's like the weight is going from your ankles And your knees and your hips By the time you get to your back And how much compression you're right It definitely does something But I think the decks really targets The lower back amazing I see the people that the ones are laid down And then they attach that on that pulls them apart.

[2128] Yeah, I haven't done that one.

[2129] That's the decks.

[2130] The decks decompression one.

[2131] I fucking love that thing.

[2132] So you grab a whole those handles and then you let go and then you're just drop down and it's all the weight is like decompressing in your lower back.

[2133] And then you could do like that.

[2134] Yeah, you could do back extensions on it.

[2135] Yeah, I think that's what they're called.

[2136] Yeah, you could do those on it too.

[2137] I mean, you could definitely get a workout on it if you wanted to.

[2138] But for me, I use that after I'm done working out just to just I feel like if I'm real consistent with that with that and the um the inversion deck and the reverse hyper i keep my back healthy yeah yeah i got i got a i go to a therapist get stretched out like once or twice a week and i do a rt active release therapy oh yeah that's great yeah now when you like when you see like there's different schools of thought when it comes to strength and conditioning and the more radical strength school of thought was the marr berenovitch sort of school of thought which um you see Nick Kerson does with, who's doing with Hafeel Dosangios and a lot of guys, where you concentrate almost entirely on strength and conditioning.

[2139] And the idea is like, you already know how to fight.

[2140] Like, you know how to fight and the real thing that fucks with guys when they're fighting is their conditioning.

[2141] And so they're putting these guys through these radical, pliometric and explosive exercises and then just like push it.

[2142] And that comes first.

[2143] That is more important than anything.

[2144] And that's when BJ was at its best.

[2145] If you go back to like BJ when he fought Sean Shirk BJ when he fought Diego Sanchez He was training with Marv Yeah I think I'm on the opposite side of that I mean condition has never been an issue for me Maybe that's why I have this take I feel like I want to feel good on sparring days Those are the most important days I need to feel good So I feel like sometimes you spend You wear yourself out straining condition You come to spar the next day You're not going to have a good performance that day Yeah I could see both ways of things I mean, right.

[2146] I can see both.

[2147] I mean, I think there are probably some guys that maybe that are afraid to get themselves tired, that you've got to make them get, because they're not going to push themselves that much when they're sparring, if they're scared to get tired.

[2148] But you could push them hard as hell when they're not worried about getting punched or worried about winning anything.

[2149] That's the good thing about strength of condition.

[2150] You can really push yourself without hopefully getting hurt as well.

[2151] I think a lot of straining condition people, they just want to put the cool videos up and put the chains on and do this.

[2152] Flip the tire.

[2153] It's like, I just want to keep it simple, man. I heard someone say, you want to leave a strength of condition working out feeling better, not worse.

[2154] Yeah, yeah.

[2155] That's like the Pavel Tatsaline idea, you know, that you don't ever go to failure and those kind of things.

[2156] You're just trying to strengthen things up.

[2157] Right.

[2158] Yeah.

[2159] It's interesting because the sport is so new, fairly new, that there's all these different schools of thought about the right way to do it.

[2160] And you really don't know.

[2161] And so why you're going through your camp, you've got to.

[2162] I go, wow, I hope this guy's right.

[2163] Yeah.

[2164] You know, and there's definitely a right way and a wrong way, but there's also your way and my way, and they could both be right, you know.

[2165] Right.

[2166] Yeah.

[2167] But, I mean, some guys like long, slow running sessions, some guys like hill sprints, some guys like mostly pliometrics and organized, you know, tabata drills and things like that for strength and conditioning.

[2168] And then there's guys like Nick Diaz.

[2169] It's just like doing triathlons and stuff like that.

[2170] Yeah.

[2171] But this new guy I'm wit, it's like much more detail.

[2172] My last any condition guy was great.

[2173] You know, I'm never not in shape, so.

[2174] But he was just kind of just go and we just work out.

[2175] This guy, everything's planned out way ahead, way ahead what I'm doing.

[2176] So what kind of stuff is he having you doing?

[2177] All different types of modalities, I guess.

[2178] You know, he kind of switches it up.

[2179] I do the, it's another thing too.

[2180] A lot of it's breathing stuff for warm -ups and whatnot.

[2181] I can't remember the name of it.

[2182] uh it was along with that rpr stuff i was talking about but yeah it's a lot of it's breathing before and after and hold breath holds i've been doing a lot of that stuff and also it's like lung conditioning for to warm up and and to cool down too yeah breathing exercises are very underrated you know like if you look at like what hicks and grace used to be able to do that kind of like fire breathing yeah yeah you know like you can literally strengthen your lungs there was this dude that I used to do yoga with.

[2183] His name was Yoga Ray.

[2184] And that wasn't his full name.

[2185] He was in a lead singer in a band.

[2186] I forget the band.

[2187] I'm trying to remember right now.

[2188] God damn it.

[2189] Anyway, we always just call him Yoga Ray.

[2190] But he had amazing cardio.

[2191] And he had amazing cardio specifically because of his breathing exercises.

[2192] Like he didn't do cardio.

[2193] He's just doing yoga and jujitsu.

[2194] But he would never get tired.

[2195] Yeah.

[2196] Because he would do all these like radical breathing exercises so his lungs were like a strong muscle yeah that's what that's what they always work your diaphragm you know yeah so what other kind of exercises do you have you do that's different well like with him i he's really pays attention to my body position and stuff like i i because my back is bad i try to stay away from dead lifts and this and that but since i've been with this guy i've been able to do all that stuff really yeah yeah just because of making sure that you have better technique uh you know you like you always says you got if you want to feel your abs and your hamstrings if you feel your abs and your hamstrings and all your workouts your back's probably safe so he's always he's always touching me making sure up make sure he's a firing make sure he's a firing you know so like making sure that your abs are tightened yeah you know we're like say i'm doing a bench or something he'll put like a towel underneath my back and like i'm trying to pull it out make sure you keep it pressed pressed on the floor so i can't pull it out that's protecting your back so he's just like really cautious and just knows a lot about exercise physiology yeah yeah yeah Yeah.

[2197] And so you go to him, you say a couple days a week?

[2198] Two days a week, yeah.

[2199] Do you do any like cryotherapy or ice baths or anything like that?

[2200] No. I've done cryotherapy a couple times.

[2201] I just don't have somewhere super close to me. I feel like if you want to do it, you've got to be, you got to do it almost at least three times a week.

[2202] Yeah.

[2203] I think even once a week's not enough to get the benefits of it.

[2204] Yeah, it's fucking awesome.

[2205] I'll tell you that.

[2206] I love doing it.

[2207] I would suggest to anybody that if you can get into one of those things, do it, do it whenever you can.

[2208] but apparently ice bath's really good too I've done ice bath probably 10 years ago and my dick hurt for like a half hour after that and I'm like yeah I'm good That's hilarious What about sauna?

[2209] Do you ever do that?

[2210] Yeah I do the sauna I love the sauna I don't have one in my house My wife has like a little teepee sauna It's like a red light one You can go in and your head sticks out Is that good?

[2211] But you lay down it's not bad It's not hot enough I feel like I think it's got to be hot My wife's into the red light one As opposed to the heat one Right To me, I think you've got to suffer for you to really get the benefits.

[2212] I think so, too.

[2213] Yeah.

[2214] I mean, I don't know about infrared sauna because I never really done that, but Laird Hamilton was saying that he had some skin issues that he got from infrared.

[2215] Oh, yeah.

[2216] But he does some wacky shit, man. Like, that guy puts an aerosolpike inside of a sauna and then puts oven mitts on.

[2217] Because it's too hot.

[2218] Yeah, and he's sprinting in there.

[2219] I'm like, Jesus, bro.

[2220] Yeah, yeah, that's nuts.

[2221] Yeah, he's a freak.

[2222] He's a real freak.

[2223] We have the Russian Russian Banya kind of You know in Jersey They have like this 200 degree sauna in there Crazy 200 degrees Feels like it at least And then they beat you with sticks Yeah I did that the one time too And I was with some of my Russian buddies So they were talking home for me and everything They're like ah we give them the real treatment And do you go in the cold right after it They do because that's what they do Right they jump in the water Cold water Yeah I did all that I did it all I did like they This guy Timoa Valliev who should be in the UFC he's not so Dana get this guy some more in he uh what weight loss he's a 35er he's tough man he was a WSOF guy very good only has one loss and he revenged his loss but um he's been training with us for a long time world series of fighting is what professional fighting league now yeah pfl yeah yeah yeah that's where rory is now huh roary macdonnell went over there yeah that's interesting he's actually going to come on here with eve edwards we're going to talk about it that should be fun yeah he's uh he uh he uh he was at belator right and then he was a bellator um lost his title or excuse me lost a fight to uh gaggard musasi and then lost to uh lemma right yeah douglas lema beat him in the rematch lost his title there yeah beat lima he had some good fights over there you know but i think he just got a big offer from the pfl they're looking for a big name yeah they're giving away a lot of fucking money i don't know how long they could do that for right A million dollars for people who win Like if you win the tournament With like seven people won the last end How do they do with that?

[2224] Yeah That's a lot of money It's Kevin Hart is behind it Is he?

[2225] Yeah I think he's an investor Kevin Hart is Yeah, pretty sure Kevin Hart invest in everything That guy is He's such a genius in terms of like He is dude, he is I don't know how he sleeps I don't know where he has their time I don't know how you sleep though either My hard work is an illusion I don't know man But you're like you're into so many things You know Yeah Like, I feel like, damn, I'm, I don't have time for shit.

[2226] I do a lot of stuff, but it's not hard.

[2227] Like, this is not hard.

[2228] This is fun.

[2229] Like, stand up, not hard.

[2230] It's hard if you suck.

[2231] It's hard if you're bombing.

[2232] It's hard.

[2233] But I think there's a lot of preparation, though, no?

[2234] Yeah, there's some preparation.

[2235] But it's not working in a fucking sand mine.

[2236] Yeah, well, yeah.

[2237] It's not, it's not that.

[2238] It's not real hard work.

[2239] As far as hard as in, like, laboring, but it's still time -consuming.

[2240] It's time -consuming, but it's fun.

[2241] The hard part is, like, the, discipline things like forcing yourself to write that's hard forcing yourself to go to the gym that's that's the discipline in most things in life is hard once you're there doing it it's mostly fun yeah like people kind of exaggerate the difficulty of a lot of things you know i just you know you're you're in the bow hunting you're like damn i i want to get a I don't have any hobbies I need a fucking hobby find jim miller he'll take your bow hunting yeah well Corey Corey oh that's right core is the best one I got a That guy's constantly hunting Every time I check his Instagram Get some works out Goes to hunt Those back works out again When he came here He brought his bow No we were shooting Well we have that machine Yeah that's it Yeah That techno hunt Dude I gotta use a bathroom Yeah well let's wrap this up It's 2 30 yeah All right Listen thanks thanks for coming down here Let everybody know how to find you On Instagram and Twitter Yeah Frankie Edgar everything Champ on a tramp Check it out Champ in a champ podcast And when do you think I think you'll be back again.

[2242] Any ideas?

[2243] I think early, or late spring, early summer.

[2244] Okay.

[2245] 35.

[2246] All right, brother.

[2247] Always a pleasure.

[2248] Thank you, sir.

[2249] Thank you, man. Awesome time.

[2250] Frankie Edgar, ladies and gentlemen.

[2251] Bye -bye.

[2252] I know.

[2253] It gets rough as the beans.

[2254] Dude.

[2255] Oh, shit, bro.

[2256] Let's get the kettle.