#1069 - Ben Greenfield

[0] Packoots are supposed to be amazing.

[1] They hang out with you.

[2] Five, four, three, two.

[3] Ben Greenfield, ladies and gentlemen.

[4] Oh, Bo.

[5] Hey, so it's been a lot of fun hanging out with you for the last 44 minutes.

[6] That's a sick game you have out of there.

[7] Yeah, it's pretty fun, right?

[8] It's very, really, really big, like, 67 -yard -long living room to put my big screen in now.

[9] Yeah, that thing is crazy.

[10] We're talking about this game called Techno Hunt that we were just playing.

[11] So, dude, you are an interesting fucking guy.

[12] You do a lot of weird shit.

[13] No, thank you.

[14] I think.

[15] Yeah.

[16] No, it's good.

[17] Yes.

[18] It's a compliment.

[19] I'll take it.

[20] Yeah.

[21] Interesting is a good thing.

[22] But your, like, your background, you were just telling me, this is very fascinating.

[23] Like, you live way the fuck out in the middle of nowhere.

[24] Well, it's kind of, I mean, it's Spokane.

[25] Right.

[26] Spokane.

[27] I mean, we have like a theater.

[28] But you're off the grid.

[29] And we have restaurants.

[30] There are actual people there.

[31] Two restaurants.

[32] Yeah.

[33] There's a theater.

[34] There's a little five and dime store at a general store.

[35] Spokane's a normal place.

[36] It's pretty normal.

[37] You're totally off the grid.

[38] Well, up at our house, we are.

[39] You know, we're solar panels and well.

[40] And the way I have it set up is we eased in power from the local municipal power.

[41] But if that goes out, then it hits the solar inverters and we're full solar.

[42] So then there's like a battery panel in the garage that stores the solar because we're on like a north facing slope.

[43] So you get sun from 10 to 2.

[44] So we can't collect a lot of solar, but you store it in the battery.

[45] So it's there.

[46] So you've got to be very judicious with your laptop use.

[47] yeah well we uh if you want to go off the grid totally it's it's a stupid home so there's no Wi -Fi there's no Bluetooth so everything's like it's it's hardwired metal shielded ethernet cable that's through the whole house because I don't like to have like Wi -Fi signals bouncing around I just really I don't feel good I don't see I've always wondered about that like what is that doing to us well apparently I just I actually just read there's a really good new book that came out it's called like the the non tinfoil hat guide to EMF I think is it's the full title of the book but it goes into this idea of what are called voltage gated calcium channels on your cell membrane and on those actually get affected by Wi -Fi and apparently you see like a like a change in the electrochemical balance across the actual membrane in response of things like Wi -Fi apparently Bluetooth affects red blood cells and I haven't seen a lot of like actual you know in vivo research on that but I know that I feel better when I don't have like the Wi -Fi router going or you know I turn off all my everything at night.

[48] There's kill switches and all the bedrooms.

[49] So you walk into the house and it's just super clean.

[50] You know, everything's HEPA air filters, negative ion generators, no Wi -Fi, no Bluetooth.

[51] We structure all the water that comes in from the well.

[52] So it's the same.

[53] It's got like that, if you heard of structured water before.

[54] Yeah, I've just heard about it because Eddie Bravo just got that installed in his gym.

[55] Yeah, it's kind of cool.

[56] I mean, the idea behind it, there's this cat up at University of Washington named Dr. Gerald Pollock.

[57] and he has done this research that shows, like, in plants or vessels, like blood vessels, for example, there's an exclusion zone of water.

[58] I mean, there's like a positive charge on the inside and a negative charge on the outside.

[59] And that might be backwards.

[60] It might be positive on the outside, negative on the inside.

[61] But either way, it causes fluid to move through vessels in a way that allows it to move more easily, like the water is actually charged.

[62] so apparently when you drink structured water it hydrates the cell a little bit better yeah sounds like it might be that's apparently how how water moves through plants that's one of those things that you hear and then like you talk to a scientist and they go no yeah and they get mad so well i interviewed that i interviewed that guy gerald pollock and he has compared basically he's compares like how it moves in in glass tubes and how if you structure it and you watch it like the water moves up through the glass tube way way better and then i interviewed this guy uh Thomas Cowan and he talks about how the heart is not really a pump or doesn't act as much like a pump as we're led to believe.

[63] And so if you drink structured water, apparently the blood moves better through the vessels.

[64] I haven't seen a ton of research on it, but I structure my water just because it's cheap.

[65] It's like this tiny little plastic piece that you put on your water filter.

[66] What exactly is it doing?

[67] So the water passes through a series of glass beads, like it vortexes it.

[68] So it comes out of my well.

[69] and I've got, I tested my water, and I've got, like, a bacteria -based iron and high levels of manganese.

[70] Like, I thought well water was just all, like, pristine, clear, like, you know, like if you drink out of a spring on top of a mountain.

[71] Right.

[72] But apparently, there's crap in the well water.

[73] So I filter it, and then after it all filters, it passes through the structured water filter.

[74] I would imagine that you would get some stuff in the water, because if somewhere along the line, there's, like, a dead animal or beaver fever.

[75] Yeah, yeah, there's dead animals all over my house just piled everywhere, carcasses.

[76] But I mean, you know, I'm very careful.

[77] Outside the woods.

[78] Well, then the other thing is, like, what I get concerned about is, you know, you see like glyphosate and herbicides and pesticides.

[79] They get sprayed all over the crops, and I live in farmland territory, right?

[80] So I'm on this north -facing slope, and there's all, like, these farms above me. So I figure if that's dropping down through the ground into that water, I might be getting some of it.

[81] So I filter.

[82] Yeah, that totally makes sense.

[83] I know a guy who got bone cancer because he lived off of.

[84] a golf course and the golf course is constantly spraying stuff on the golf course and it got into the water supply and a bunch of people how do they know that gave him bone cancer because it's like happened to more people yeah a ton of people in the neighborhood got cancer wow yeah that's scary crazy no what I tell people is um like people who don't have a well and you just live off the municipal water supplies you use a reverse osmosis water filter because it's a really really fine filtration but it takes everything out like it takes the bad stuff and the good stuff out so you want to add minerals back in after you filtered the water.

[85] So you get a reverse, and you could buy these on like Amazon.

[86] So like a reverse osmosis filter with what's called remineralization.

[87] Or you can just use reverse osmosis and then use like trace liquid minerals or sea salt or anything else.

[88] Yeah.

[89] I know a lot of people put like a pinch of Himalayan salt.

[90] Yeah, I go through so much salt.

[91] I use this stuff called Mexican salt, Kalima salt.

[92] I was actually a steakhouse last night.

[93] People make fun of me because I pull out my big white bag of salt and I just sprinkle it on everything.

[94] But I'm I'm a fiend for salt.

[95] I love salt.

[96] It's very good for you.

[97] And unfortunately, there's been a terrible myth that's been perpetrated a long time ago that salt gives you high blood pressure and it kills you.

[98] That's a real tragedy because that's one of those ones that it was spread in like probably, what was it, the 60s or the 70s when they started telling people that salt causes high blood pressure.

[99] I have no clue.

[100] People still repeat it today, and they don't understand it.

[101] It's an essential mineral.

[102] Well, there's a new book out about this.

[103] I forget the name of the book about salt.

[104] Have you heard of this book?

[105] Yeah.

[106] I've heard of the book.

[107] But it depends, too, because I used to do racing for Team Timex.

[108] I used to do these Iron Man triathlons, and they'd bring people into Test Us, and they would do sweat sodium analyses, where you actually get a patch, put on your skin, and it measures the amount of sodium released over X surface area of skin, and then there's an algorithm that determines, like, how much total sweat you lose, say, per hour during exercise, and some people lose a copious amount of sodium in their sweat, and some lose barely any at all.

[109] So you have like a sodium conservation mechanism that differs from person to person.

[110] So there might be some people who store salt really well who might actually get higher blood pressure if they if they consume a lot of salt.

[111] So if you have a massive excess of salt in your time.

[112] Yeah, my numbers were off the charts though in terms of how much sodium I was losing, which is probably why I feel so good.

[113] Well, that makes sense.

[114] You're sweating so much, right?

[115] I mean, it's just going right through your body.

[116] Plus it tastes amazing.

[117] Yeah.

[118] I'm happy to die of high blood pressure just because of this salt just makes everything taste like.

[119] I'm a big fan.

[120] I love kosher salt.

[121] They used to pay.

[122] Didn't they pay, like, Roman soldiers in salt?

[123] Oh, yeah, people went to war for salt.

[124] Yeah, they'd carry.

[125] I'd take salt.

[126] I mean, it's really kind of amazing that it was just less than 200 years ago that they figured out how to, like, make for refrigerators.

[127] And I mean, what is a refrigerator?

[128] From the 1930s, I think it was?

[129] When did they first invent those things?

[130] And then before that, they had ice boxes.

[131] You'd have to get a chunk of ice from somewhere.

[132] Right.

[133] Have to get an insulated carrier.

[134] And before that, they just use salt.

[135] Yeah, they'd cover things in salt.

[136] And I've heard, I don't know if this is true.

[137] But I heard that if you come from an area, like if your ancestry is from an area where they did, a lot of that fermenting, pickling, curing, salting, that you have more robust sodium loss mechanisms, like, which would make sense for me. Like, a northern European heritage.

[138] They did a lot of, like, pickling, salting, curing.

[139] So I would lose more salt than somebody who might have come from, let's say, like, a sub -Saharan African or Southeast Asian or somewhere they might not have been using so much salt.

[140] Yeah, that totally makes sense.

[141] So with this Wi -Fi thing, I want to go back to that, because I've always wondered, there's not a long history of use, of human use of Wi -Fi.

[142] And one of the things, it sounds so hippie -dipy.

[143] Like the stem cells we're talking about, right?

[144] There's not a lot of studies on that either.

[145] 90 -year -old dudes running around.

[146] They've been doing the stem cell for 60 years.

[147] Yeah.

[148] But the Wi -Fi, like when, it sounds hippie -dippy, but if you go somewhere like Prince of Wales, Alaska, and you're on a mountain top, it feels different.

[149] Oh, totally.

[150] There's no radio.

[151] There's no Wi -Fi.

[152] there's no direct TVs getting to you, there's nothing.

[153] And it feels different up there.

[154] Well, you're also, I mean, like you're grounding and earthing, right?

[155] And you're breathing a lot more negative ions because you're outside and the fresh air.

[156] And you're not, you don't have all the emails jumping out from your inbox.

[157] There's a lot of confounding variables.

[158] But, I mean, all I know, and I test, you ever tested heart rate variability?

[159] No. Like, it's the, do you know what that is, HRV?

[160] A lot of athletes use it to determine.

[161] But I don't know much about it.

[162] What does it mean?

[163] It's the interbeat individuality, like the variation in the amount of time in between each beat of your heart.

[164] So it's not like how fast your heart is beating.

[165] It's how much time is in between each heartbeat.

[166] So you can measure that.

[167] And you're supposed to have like slight beat -to -beat variation in how much time is between each heartbeat.

[168] And if you have that, that's high heart rate variability.

[169] So you can use that to track your readiness to train, your recovery.

[170] Right.

[171] So I use, you know, I use like a ring like this or I'll do like a heart rate stop in the morning.

[172] It's an aura, aura ring.

[173] Actually, have you heard of this thing?

[174] No, but dude, just going on your website.

[175] I got it out of a cracker jack box.

[176] It's a power ring.

[177] It's a mood ring.

[178] I have seen one of those.

[179] Someone sent me something.

[180] They don't just use rings, right?

[181] There's like other methods of measuring it as well?

[182] Oh, yeah.

[183] Like you can use a Bluetooth -enabled heart rate monitor strap.

[184] That's what I used to do is you wake up in the morning, you put on the strap, and test your heart rate variability.

[185] And it tells you, you know, if it's low, you might say, okay, well, today is going to going to be like a yoga day or an easy swim or a walk in the sunshine.

[186] And if it's high, then that would be a day where you'll do like kettlebell training or a wad or whatever is that you're going to do.

[187] And then the other thing you could use it for is if you'll sometimes purposefully get it low, like have some athletes that I train where we'll work them into a state where they've got really low heart rate variability.

[188] And then what happens is you taper, right?

[189] Like you recover, you rest, you supercompensate.

[190] So you see a bounce back of nervous system recovery.

[191] And you can use that to purposefully adjust the training.

[192] Huh.

[193] Yeah.

[194] And if you train through a low HRV for too long, you can predict illness, you can predict injury.

[195] So it's a cool way to track training.

[196] And you can even, you can look at, there's a high frequency and a low frequency component.

[197] When you're saying you could predict illness and injury, like how so.

[198] Meaning, like my HRV is low, but screw up, I'm going to go train anyways.

[199] And you do that day after day, you get injured.

[200] And the weird thing is that you can have no musculoskeletal soreness, right?

[201] Because a lot of time that subsides, you know, delayed onset muscle.

[202] soreness you see that disappear after like 48 hours and if you've crushed yourself like we can talk about this later if you want but I've been doing single set to failure right single set to failure exercises where it's just like a 15 minute long workout but it's just full on isometrics as hard as you can go for 60 seconds to two minutes isometrics isometrics so you're pushing against it's like this force plate machine that you push against and you just generate as much force as you can and it ties to your iPhone and it alerts you when you've dropped off 60 % of what you're you're originally producing at the beginning of the set.

[203] And then that's it.

[204] Sets done, game over.

[205] So you might do deadlift, squat, press, overhead press, pull down.

[206] And that's the whole workout.

[207] And then you're just recovering in between each of those sets.

[208] So this plate, I mean, how are you doing a deadlift with a plate?

[209] It's a force plate.

[210] So, for example, you'll have, like, a bar that you're holding onto.

[211] And the bar is attached to the force plate via two stands, like two pillars on either side of the bar.

[212] And you pull the bar, and then the force plate detects how much force you pull.

[213] And what position are you in the deadlift?

[214] You're standing on top of the force play.

[215] You're supposed to choose the hardest position of each exercise.

[216] So like halfway in?

[217] So if I'm bench pressing, it's like my elbows are slightly bent as the way just near the top.

[218] Or squatting, it's like the knees are bent at about 30, 40 degrees.

[219] So you get into that position, then you generate as much force as possible for 60 seconds or not.

[220] When I first did it, I was at 30 seconds.

[221] Now I can go a little bit over a minute where I can continue to generate as much force as possible before it drops off to just, 60 % of what I was originally produced.

[222] It's a cool, efficient way to train, but you don't get that sore afterwards, right?

[223] So musculoskeletal soreness is not a good indicator of recovery in many cases.

[224] And that's where this HRV thing comes in is your nervous system, right?

[225] Your central nervous system, your neuromuscular system can be really beat up after a workout, even if the soreness has subsided.

[226] So that's where you use something like HRV and you can say, okay, well, I'm not sore, but my HRV is still low.

[227] So this is going to be an easy day for me. I'm sorry to act like a moron, but explain that one more time.

[228] So if your body is not sore but your HRV is low, what is it showing what's an indication of?

[229] So if your body is not sore but your HRV is low, HRV is measuring your nervous system recovery.

[230] So you might not be fully recovered.

[231] So what I'm saying is like musculoskeletal soreness or discomfort is not necessarily the best indicator of whether you're fully recovered.

[232] You have to test the nervous system too.

[233] That's so weird.

[234] And that's where something like an HRV measurement comes in.

[235] And coming full circle, I've noticed when I do those morning measurements and I'm traveling or I've got the Wi -Fi enabled at my house, my HRV is low.

[236] So it's affecting my nervous system somehow.

[237] Do you think the Wi -Fi is a mind -fuck?

[238] Do you think it's really doing something to you?

[239] I think it's doing something.

[240] But then there's the placebo effect.

[241] I feel it.

[242] Do you feel this room?

[243] I feel really.

[244] I'm trying to feel it.

[245] That's why you're a moron right now.

[246] You've got the Wi -Fi going.

[247] What's going on, Jamie?

[248] What do you got there?

[249] My HRV off of my iPhone.

[250] Oh, you just, did you use the finger tip?

[251] I don't have my Apple Watch.

[252] Oh, what?

[253] The Apple Watch tests your HRV?

[254] Yeah, so it's been doing it the whole time I've had it on.

[255] But it's paradoxical because the Apple Watch is making Wi -Fi.

[256] Jesus, twice, you can't win.

[257] It's so confusing.

[258] God damn it, Ben Greenfield.

[259] No, that's why I was talking about this, this ring.

[260] I bought this in Finland like three years ago because I wanted like a body tracking device.

[261] I want to track my HRV and I want to track my sleep cycles, but I don't like sleeping all night because, like, I sleep with my, Kind of like my hand tucked down by my dick, you know, like in by my cry.

[262] I don't want something just like.

[263] You sleep like this?

[264] I kind of, I sleep on my side with my hands tucked like underneath me. And they're, and literally like my right hand is right down around my balls basically while I'm sleeping.

[265] And I didn't want something just like blasting me. That makes sense.

[266] So, because if it was on my wrist or on my finger or wherever.

[267] So this has like a built -in computer and you could put it in airplane mode.

[268] And it'll still collect all the HRV data and everything else.

[269] So then when you want to take it out of airplane mode and sync it to your phone and upload all your sleep data or your HRV data or anything else, you can do it.

[270] So that's why I wear this ring instead of like a Fitbit or a jawbone or Jamie's stupid Apple Watch.

[271] I never know whether or not I'm being ridiculous with this stuff.

[272] Like with worrying about phones being in your pocket if you had butt cancer.

[273] You know, because some dude told me that once that he got cancer.

[274] I think it was testicle cancer on his right side.

[275] And the guy was saying, do you keep your phone in your right pocket?

[276] I guess I do and the doctor was telling him that I was like how the fuck does the doctor know like this is not proven stuff this is all real speculation right I mean it's tricky because I mean you can say about the bone cancer on the golf course right but but a lot of people but I think there was a class action lawsuit there because I think they tested the water and there was whatever the fuck the stuff that they used for fertilizer or pesticides so I was telling you I was concerned about the dick cancer thing because of the stem cells like uh right well you shot cancer you saw stem cells in your dick well for the past three months so men's health magazine just had me write this article called new year new dick where they have me i'm serious you get them it's got a it's the issue with marky mark walberg on on on on the cover how appropriate yeah yeah like how to make a small dick bigger right and you put marky mark on the cover and now he can he can beat me with his with his four foot tall fist of cuffs uh anyways though so they have me go around doing everything that a guy could do to enhance sexual performance or increase the size your dick or increase blow blood flow or increase orgasm quality or, you know, they just wanted to find out what everything from, like, freaking gas station dick pills to, which, by the way, those things do not have in them what they say they have in them.

[277] What do you think they have in them?

[278] So, you know, they say like epa medium and Eurcoma long jack and, like, horny, goate extra.

[279] Yeah, it's basically freaking sildenophil, right?

[280] The actin ingredient in Seattle or Viagra.

[281] And then, uh, a fedra and copious amounts of caffeine.

[282] So I would take these things and just literally feel like my head was going to explode.

[283] I mean, it's like drinking 10 cups of coffee.

[284] Yeah, we have a friend of ours who predicted accurately that John Jones was taking those things when he pissed hot because he was like, those things have everything in them.

[285] And he's like, John Jones does Coke.

[286] He goes, I guarantee you he's taking dick pills.

[287] They're actually pretty entertaining to read because it's all like the, you know, like it's like reading a Chinese fortune cookie.

[288] It's like maximum potency, vigora, and everything's spelled wrong.

[289] But the, so they have me doing that.

[290] Did you do analysis of the ingredients?

[291] Did you actually get it tested?

[292] No, no. We went to all these labs.

[293] It wouldn't let us actually test, but apparently the FDA has tested them.

[294] And if you go to the FDA .gov website, they have like these warnings out about the actual grade.

[295] So we took the five that they had warnings about and tested them.

[296] The dangerous ones.

[297] Yeah, and they, yeah, you don't feel well.

[298] You feel like your head's going to explode and your hands get all cold and clammy.

[299] And some of them say to, I don't know why, but they say to take them in the morning, right?

[300] Which doesn't, to me, make sense.

[301] But you take them in the morning and so you just feel completely screwed up.

[302] the whole morning it's like you're just mainlining coffee so they did that they did um have you heard of this like acoustic soundwave therapy for your dick i'm serious i'm sure you are okay i'm not even gonna answer no so this this is a clinic in florida it's called gainswave and you go down there you go down there and uh and i walk in and the first thing they do is they hand me this like syringe full of numbing cream and i'm supposed to just like put it everywhere and so i i smeared it you know my balls my like i just went everywhere because i I didn't really know what they were going to do, and I wanted all shields activated going into this thing.

[303] So I walk into the room, and my dick's all numb.

[304] They had me lay down, and so my legs are splayed.

[305] I'm on this exam room table, and this gal comes in, and she's got, like, this giant wand attached to a machine.

[306] And they do this for women, too, by the way.

[307] They put, like, a condom on the end of it.

[308] And she just basically goes to town for, like, 20 minutes, like a jackhammer.

[309] I was like, brr -like everywhere.

[310] For 20 minutes, supposedly.

[311] Yeah, everywhere.

[312] Supposedly, it breaks open old blood vessels, and it builds new blood vessels.

[313] And once the numbing cream wears off, you're supposed to perform a lot better.

[314] And then they combine this.

[315] You know, we're talking about like with your shoulder, if you inject it, you should do like electrostam or vibration or something to get the injection deeper into the tissue.

[316] Same thing with this.

[317] They do the PRP.

[318] So they do PRP into your dick.

[319] And then they follow it up.

[320] And you get a nerve block first.

[321] I thought, I don't know why, I thought they put that.

[322] needle just like right in the pee hole which to me made sense but but it doesn't really i mean you want it in the actual tissue so they actually go like up where the dick attaches like the tissue at the top they do two nerve blocks on either side and then the PRP and later on like a couple months later they had me do stem cells they actually extracted like fat from my back and we did a stem cell injection but this acoustic soundwave therapy uh with the PRP like it wears off and you literally just like get boners all the time like all night long for like a month so the acoustic sound therapy is supposed to be breaking up blood vessels breaks open old blood vessels james found it yeah gains wave procedure breaks up plaque formation in blood vessels and stimulates the growth of new blood vessels in the penis low intensity extracoporial shockwave therapy that's going to sell a lot of uh of procedures i like the drawing before and after before your veins are all tired and skinny yeah before it It looks like an old hunched -over man. Then all of a sudden, vigor.

[323] It looks like a bodybuilder of a vein.

[324] Yeah, I used to do bodybuilding.

[325] So is that...

[326] It's a horrible sport.

[327] Do you think it's real?

[328] Do you think that's really doing something?

[329] It worked for me. Okay.

[330] It worked for me. So, yeah, the gas station dick pills.

[331] They did the acoustic soundwave therapy.

[332] But the acoustic soundwork therapy was the best.

[333] They had me do like the, uh, no, the stem cells were the best.

[334] Stem cells were best.

[335] But that, I mean, not everybody's going to be able to do that.

[336] But that was the best, bar none.

[337] Like they, so I went down to Florida.

[338] Of course again, Florida.

[339] I don't know what, I think it's because all the old people live in Florida.

[340] Florida's just crazy.

[341] It's barely America.

[342] All the people like hunched over the steering wheel, but all the guys have great dicks.

[343] They can't drive.

[344] They have their blinker on for like two miles before they turn, but their dicks are primed.

[345] So the stem cell thing was at the U .S. stem cell clinic in Florida.

[346] And I went in there and they extract all the fat.

[347] For me, they took the fat out of my back.

[348] And what they do is they have, it's called an enzymatic process where they use something that breaks down the collagen in the fat.

[349] And then they have the stem cells that get separated from the fat.

[350] And apparently it's very, very high in these angiogenic, like vascular or vessel building compounds.

[351] And so then you get that reinjected.

[352] It's high in the mesenchamel, the MSC, the MSC, the MSC, cells which which are supposedly the very good ones right to inject in so I injected those um or I had a doctor in Spokane so they shipped into Spokane on ice and they show up at my house at like 7 a .m. right because you got to get them delivered same day and then I had my appointment at the doctor at the doctor at the doctor at the doctor and you know very it's like deja vu from Florida right like I go in do the do the numbing you know the doctor you're going to do this oh yeah I called him and it was kind of friends with the doctor yeah yeah there's picture I think there's a picture of them in the mega because they're They put all sorts of crazy pictures in the magazine because they had me doing like infrared light of my balls and I have like this big thing called the juve light that they had me standing in front of every day.

[353] Like I jack my...

[354] A juve light.

[355] I'll tell you about the stem cells.

[356] Okay, yeah, let's go one step at a time.

[357] It's crazy.

[358] So the stem cells, I went to this doctor in Spokane and he injected these stem cells from my fat after they'd grown for like several...

[359] In this case, I think they were down there for like eight weeks.

[360] but, I mean, they can do same -day injections, but for me, I didn't have enough fat, because for me, it was right in the middle of, I race professionally in an obstacle course racing, so I'm just, like, lean as hell as I go in there, so they could barely get enough fat, so they had to grow them for a longer period of time.

[361] A lot of times they can inject same day.

[362] So I went into Spokane at this clinic, in Spokane, Lanu Integrative Clinic.

[363] It's like this osteopathic medical clinic with all these, you know, nice receptionist when you walk in the door, and this doctor who, he's done stem cell injections before, but he never actually injected them into someone's day.

[364] So I was kind of like the guinea pig for this.

[365] So do you have to explain to him what areas you're supposed to injecting to?

[366] No, he researched it.

[367] And I think he actually talked to the folks at the stem cell clinic beforehand to make sure that they were on the same page.

[368] Okay.

[369] I want to fly all the way back down to Florida.

[370] Right.

[371] That's super inconvenient.

[372] And it's just a dick.

[373] They'll make more someday.

[374] They're growing kidneys and ears.

[375] I'm sure they'll grow dick someday.

[376] So I got it injected.

[377] And that was, first of all, it looked like it got like run.

[378] over by a semi -truck for like two days.

[379] It was like all black and blue where the injection was.

[380] Yeah, I'd be super nervous.

[381] Like, what if you got infected?

[382] It could have gotten infected.

[383] Oh, what have you got MRSA and you could still get?

[384] Dick Cancer?

[385] I've had MRSA, and I would not wish MRSA on your dick.

[386] How'd you get MRSA?

[387] A triathlon.

[388] Whoa.

[389] I got it.

[390] This was at the wildflower triathlon.

[391] Like coming back, my flight got delayed and I was covered in all these because like an off -road triathlon and I had all these scrapes and wounds.

[392] And I think, I think my labor.

[393] ever was in Vegas.

[394] I don't remember where, but I had to check in a hotel if I got delayed, and I slept in this hotel room that I swear, like, there must have been something on the bed because within a few days, like, it was all, you know, it gets all nasty and cakey, and then it was eating a hole.

[395] I wrote a whole blog post about this on my website, and you can see, I need to see this.

[396] Yeah, pull up the hole in the back of my leg.

[397] It's nasty.

[398] Mars just scares the shit out of it.

[399] Just search for, like, Ben Greenfield staff, and you'll see the pictures, but it was eating a hole in the back of my leg.

[400] And my, my kids roll now once a week and I buy on I get the the defense soap from on it as soon as they come as soon as they come back in the door I'd have them go into the shower upstairs defense soap is awesome yeah they have a bunch of different wipes and stuff for people that train in a place it doesn't have a shower yeah you got to be careful that and uh thieves essential oil like it's like a whole bunch of companies make this version of essential oil called thieves it's like clove and it's named after these thieves who apparently never yeah clove cinnamon eucalyptus Which is really good for staff and Rosemite.

[401] It's actually named it.

[402] There's like this story of like these four thieves that apparently traveled around the world and they would rob homes and and and they never got sick like that's basically the story.

[403] I'm sure this was this was some board table at a at a multi -level marketing essential oils company.

[404] Somebody came up with this story.

[405] Or it could be true.

[406] I don't know.

[407] But the, um, yeah, the stem cells into the dick.

[408] That was an interesting one.

[409] But it did.

[410] I think, from what I can tell, looking in the mirror, it got bigger.

[411] I'm pretty sure.

[412] How much?

[413] Half inch?

[414] Oh, like, maybe that much.

[415] Quarter inch?

[416] Like enough to tell.

[417] And my erections got bigger and my orgasms got a lot better.

[418] For how long?

[419] They're still like that.

[420] Still?

[421] Yeah.

[422] So I think the stem cells kind of like stick with you.

[423] Whoa.

[424] Well, last week I got them, I told you I'm training for the RKC kettlebell cert, and I was doing the 100 reps in five -minute snatch test.

[425] with the one and a half food, and I felt something just go.

[426] I was at 84 reps, and I felt something go in my back.

[427] And I got stem cells injected all up and down my QL, my multifidus, my erector spinae, into my soas.

[428] But then they also sent them to my house, and I did that same fat cell, the stuff that's rich in the mesencomal stem cells, into the bloodstream.

[429] So I did a push IV into the bloodstream.

[430] That's the one that you would have to go out of the country to do normally.

[431] you're not supposed to do that like that's technically not legal for someone to inject you with your own stem cells into your bloodstream but if you get your stem cells extracted and they're stored and they send them to you you can technically inject them if you do it yourself or you like have a friend who's a nurse or whatever right and you it's literally just like a push iv it's like 30 seconds we we caught it all in video for uh men's health films so they'll publish a video at some point but i was super nervous because it's like a few thousand dollars worth of stem cells that you know i'm trying to hit the vein and make sure that they go in the right right way and then inject it's a very very small amount well you had to be the most nervous getting him shot into your dick though no i was kind of nervous yeah yeah that seems to me like super experimental it i do a lot of that though yeah i mean like that that's kind of my schick right like i do a lot of immersive journalism a lot of self -experimentation a lot of a lot of guinea pig type stuff yeah uh and i'm i'm not dead yet and i still have my dick so oh you look great i'm happy yeah thank you look very healthy i'm 22 um but i'm actually oh yeah that's you Is that, yeah, that's one of them.

[432] That is, yeah, that's an image from my website.

[433] That's not as deep as it got.

[434] I don't think that's the worst photo.

[435] The worst one I've ever seen is Kevin Rambeman.

[436] They have to stuff it with iodine.

[437] Like, they, have you had it before?

[438] No. They have like these long iodine strips when you get the MRSA, and it's like it's flesh -eating bacteria.

[439] Yeah, that's me too.

[440] And they stuff, see that hole in the middle?

[441] Yeah.

[442] They stuff like an iodine, it's like a stick in there, like a strip that has, but they literally stuff it in there.

[443] And you can feel it.

[444] You got, you were telling me you got.

[445] dry needling done you know like that weird pressure it's not like pain but it's like a weird pressure from dry needling this is like that except pain right like it's both the pain and the it was horrible horrible like yeah i've had some friends that have got staff in their leg where they've like a small golf ball size hole in their leg and they literally had a packet full of that kind of gauze covered i don't like how you say small golf golf ball golf is a big hole for the back of the leg golf ball but it's like smaller than a golf ball like a large marble any hole would the back of the leg in my opinion is too big the worst i've ever seen is kevin random see if you could find kevin random and staff he had open holes where you could see his muscle structure under his armpit it was horrific gosh he never really recovered he wound up dying young he died he died young from that who knows what he died from but look at the hole i think i still have it oh my gosh yeah that's what that's his muscle tissue that's kevin random what body part is that that's his underarm oh my goodness yeah look at that oh my goodness yeah that's how bad it was That looks like he got shot.

[446] He does.

[447] Yeah, he was rotting away.

[448] And I don't know if he didn't treat it quick enough or I don't know if it was just really aggressive, but it's a real common thing in gyms.

[449] And once you get it, it stays with you.

[450] Like, it stays in your bloodstream.

[451] Like, I still, like, I have an essential oil diffuser on my desk and I put thieves in it every day and I just defuse essential oils.

[452] In the air.

[453] While I'm working.

[454] Yeah, it's like a nebulizing essential oil diffuser.

[455] And I just, just to play it safe, right?

[456] I just want to be breathing that end during the day just in case.

[457] Fuck.

[458] And that's the other thing is I stand in front of this light, this infrared light.

[459] And this is that dick light again?

[460] It's a dick light.

[461] What's it called?

[462] It's called a juve.

[463] And so they've done these studies on testicular and sperm production.

[464] And they've found that there's a wavelength.

[465] It's like 600 to 800 nanometers wavelength of light that if you expose the testicles to that for five to 20 minutes a day, it's based on this concept of photobiomodulation.

[466] So I originally got into this whole photo biomodulation thing when this company, because I blog and people just send me these weird things to my doorstep to try.

[467] And they sent me this like nasal probe, you put up your nose, and it's got like a helmet on it.

[468] You could look it up, Jamie, if you want.

[469] It's called a violite.

[470] And it produces this light that supposedly activates a part of your mitochondrial.

[471] So you have like your electron transport chain and your mitochondria, and there's a part of that called the cytochrome C oxidase.

[472] and it apparently activates more activity in the cytochrome C oxidase, so you produce more ATP, in this case, in neural tissue, because you have it on your head, and they were using this in dementia and in Alzheimer's patients, but it turns out it's almost like a like a neutropic for your head.

[473] Yes, that's me at my desk.

[474] Whoa.

[475] Back when I was a young Chinese woman working on my desk.

[476] Up your nose on your head.

[477] I like how that guy's just like looking pensively off the wall.

[478] She's reading a book.

[479] She's reading Twilight.

[480] See, that's what I originally did.

[481] They sent me just the nose one, And I felt shorted because they had like the full head.

[482] So I asked them for the full head one.

[483] This is so fucking weird.

[484] I know.

[485] And you can feel like pulsing.

[486] And what's, it was, I think it was MPR.

[487] It was either radio lab or, um, it's the other science one.

[488] And I think it, I think it might be radio lab.

[489] They did a study on like, or a story on like this 10 to 40 hertz frequency.

[490] Nine volt Nirvana.

[491] Yeah.

[492] No, that's, that's TDCS.

[493] Oh, that's right.

[494] That's transdermal stimulation.

[495] I have one of those, too, the trans direct cranial stimulation.

[496] That halo device that you wear before a workout?

[497] You use that thing?

[498] No. Well, it's one at a time.

[499] We'll get to the halo.

[500] One at a time.

[501] So this photo biomodulation, I'm putting this thing, you know, the probe in my ear and you're not even supposed to use it too much because it produces so much that if you amp up cellular activity and neural tissue too much, you produce too many reactive oxygen species.

[502] Like, that's a byproduct of cellular metabolism.

[503] It's just like if you eat too much, you produce a lot of byproduct of making energy, and that's one of the reasons why fasting is good for you.

[504] It cleans up the system and you don't make as many free radicals.

[505] The same reason, like ketosis is good for you, right?

[506] You're not burning as much glucose.

[507] You don't produce as many free radicals.

[508] Same concept with this.

[509] You don't want to use it all the time because you get too much activity.

[510] You produce too many free radicals or too many reactive oxygen species.

[511] But every other day, you use it.

[512] So new year, new dick.

[513] How often did you use it?

[514] Well, this is from my head.

[515] And this was like a couple years ago.

[516] But it's the same thing?

[517] And it was like a cup of coffee for my brain.

[518] Like every time I'd wake up and put this thing on one.

[519] I'm working at my desk.

[520] So then this company that makes these lights that are very similar, activate cytochrome C oxidase, activates a release of nitric oxide, but if you do it on your testicles, specifically the cell that it works on is the latex cells in the testes, which are responsible for producing testosterone.

[521] So you're basically stimulating the latex cells in the testes the same way that you'd stimulate like neural tissue using this one for your head.

[522] So I'd had success with the thing for my head.

[523] So I tried this one for the balls and the dick, and what I did was I would just jacking.

[524] my pants down for five to 20 minutes a day while I'm saying that way I'm diffusing my essential oils and I got the thing on my head and um and it works like you actually get more blood flow I mean I didn't do a control study just pulling my pants down and standing there for five to 20 minutes without the light on I should I should do that at some point because maybe it's just like the whole you know it's like supposedly go in combat style supposed to be good for your dick too just going combat style so there's you with yeah that's me balls out yeah I'm standing on my wobble board I got my ball light, and that's actually not my office.

[525] I was at one of my friend's houses because he had one.

[526] And anyways, and obviously I'm not naked, but normally I would be nude.

[527] And, yeah.

[528] And you just snute your balls.

[529] And you just basically nuke your balls.

[530] Yeah.

[531] And what was the effect?

[532] It's like a warm teddy bear.

[533] Increased vascularity, better size, better orgasms.

[534] I mean, like all this stuff seemed to have a pretty good thing.

[535] So all this stuff seems to make your dick bigger and work better.

[536] It had some kind of an effect.

[537] Yeah.

[538] Yeah, so PRP injections, acoustic soundwave therapy, stem cells, the infrared light, the gas station dick pills, and that's the one I would not repeat.

[539] And then they had me do some Ayurvedic stuff, like the no ejaculation thing.

[540] It's horrible, like where you have sex, but you pull out.

[541] And you squeeze it.

[542] It's a book.

[543] It's called the multi -orgasmic men.

[544] So I read that and learned how to like, you know, pull back, like, not actually orgasm.

[545] Right.

[546] And you're like, pull it inside and then you finish up and you just like pissed off the rest of the day.

[547] I can't sleep at night because you're all, you're just like, so you could see how it would work.

[548] But for me, it's like, I got kids and my wife and I sneak away to get it on.

[549] Like, I want to get it on.

[550] I want the full meal deal.

[551] So I didn't like that, the no ejaculation, reverse orgasm thing.

[552] What's it supposed to do?

[553] Like when you internalize the orgasm, when you keep it inside.

[554] So this is all based on Chinese medicine principles.

[555] Like I think it's called your gin or your jing or something like that.

[556] But you have this, this energy, you know, your chi, your prana, your chakra, your life force.

[557] And apparently orgasming is, and coming, like ejaculating is supposedly one of the ways that you give some of that life force away.

[558] Like you release some of your vitality.

[559] And by having sex, but then not coming, you're actually creating that same hormonal response of oxytocin and testosterone and all these things that we release when we're having sex or when we ejacupy.

[560] but without actually giving up that that vitality that life force there's even like I found I found like tables where like based on your age there's a certain frequency with which you're supposed to ejaculate like like the younger you are it's like every two days every three days and the older you get like it gets to a certain point where you're like 70 years old it's like every every month or something like that and so it's it's it's kind of interested but again I don't I don't like that like I want I want to finish yeah I wonder If that's a preconceived prejudice that you have, though, like, I wonder if you just went into it, like, completely objectively, would have some sort of a benefit.

[561] Or maybe you'd just get, like, mineral depleted, and you lose all your zinc and everything else you need to make sperm and you start to cramp up.

[562] I don't know.

[563] To me, you'd have to be ejaculating a lot, I think.

[564] So when you were doing all these different things, how much of a time, like, how much of a buffer did you give yourself in between each thing?

[565] It was not a well -controlled experiment at all.

[566] It was like, hey, do that.

[567] Hey, why don't we try this?

[568] Let's say, hey, the article's coming out soon.

[569] We should toss this in there, too.

[570] So they probably compounded.

[571] It was not a well -controlled experiment, and I did a lot over three months.

[572] Like, it would have been a lot better to just try one thing at a time.

[573] But I would be so nervous.

[574] But I am well -hung and very vascular now from the whole experiment.

[575] So there's that.

[576] So, yeah, it's called New Year, New Dick.

[577] And it really did make your dick bigger.

[578] So do you think there's any help out there asking for a friend, guys who have microdicks?

[579] What's a micro -dick?

[580] Guys have a really small penises?

[581] I would imagine there's hope I'm sure they could be like great politicians or Blah!

[582] Influential it's just there's got to be some kind of tradeoff, right?

[583] It's like if you have sickle cell anemia, apparently it protects you from malaria.

[584] So maybe if you have a small dick, it protects you from some kind of horrible accident later on in life.

[585] I don't think so.

[586] I don't think so.

[587] I just wonder if there's a way to fix that in people, if maybe this is the way because I've always felt like that's got to be one of the saddest things.

[588] It, um, again, like you never know there could be a bunch of 90 -year -old man walking around with dick cancer 60 years from now who you know heard this and all went and got injected so I will not attest to the safety of it but I can attest the efficacy of it um so yeah maybe some of those things would work for all those people walking around there all of your listeners with small dicks just gave them salvation there's hope fellows there's hope so so yeah that's um is that you know you know like you're you're saying it still works like it's how long ago did you do this experiment Oh, I mean, like, this, the magazine is still on the shelves.

[589] Like, it just came out.

[590] Okay, but how long?

[591] This was like, starting, I got the stem cells extracted in August.

[592] Okay.

[593] Of 2017.

[594] So this is, like, the end of January.

[595] You got them shot into your dick.

[596] Yeah, eight weeks later, I got those shot into the dick.

[597] So we're only dealing with a couple months.

[598] Six months later, after they'd really grow in a lot of these mesinimal stem cells, I got them injected into my bloodstream and into, like, that injury that I'm fighting in my back right now.

[599] And I'd done some other things.

[600] before that for the back and for tissue like peptides like this uh the bpc 157 that we were just talking about before yeah yeah which is really interesting stuff i mean it's not it's not intended for human consumption but it's also not banned by water i mean it's it's actually it's legal to use and it's a peptide um it's called body protection compound bpc 157 and the 157 refers to like the sequence of amino acids that makes up the actual compound, but you can buy it and reconstitute it.

[601] And then if you inject it into an area, and it doesn't even have to be like a painful intramuscular injection, it can be like a subcutaneous injection.

[602] BPC supposedly stimulates angiogenesis.

[603] And it's a natural compound.

[604] You find it in the human gut.

[605] So they took this same thing that helps to heal the human gut, which is why if you were to consume this in drinking water, it supposedly, and this is in rodent models, it apparently works to like heal up, an inflamed gut, you know, colitis, IBD, IBS, stuff like that, but you can inject it into a joint or subcutaneously into an area around a joint, and it supposedly stimulates the, I feel like this is a repetitive phrase on this show, the growth of new blood vessels.

[606] So angiogenesis.

[607] And then there's another one called TB 500 that they use in race horses, and thymocin beta.

[608] That one is banned by WADA, but similar principle except that one acts on the actin and myosin fibers and actually causes regeneration of those.

[609] So you could do both, and you get angiogenesis, and then also fiber regrowth.

[610] And that's a strategy that would be like pennies on the dollar compared to stem cells.

[611] And also, you know, a far less intensive procedure in terms of like collecting your stem cells.

[612] Right.

[613] Yeah.

[614] And then there's, so there's the fat for the stem cells.

[615] And from what I understand, if you're going after the anti -aging effect, like the bone is better.

[616] Like the marrow.

[617] Like a bone marrow.

[618] So I had mine, I had my bone marrow extract.

[619] at this place called Forever Labs in Berkeley, California.

[620] And they store that.

[621] And then what I can do is I can just inject the 35 -year -old me into my body every year or every five years or whenever I want to put that back in.

[622] So I've got bone marrow and fat marrow stored.

[623] Let me stop you there real quick.

[624] So they take the bone marrow and how do they have enough to just keep going?

[625] Do they, somehow another replicator?

[626] I don't know the protocol that used to grow the stuff.

[627] Like I know the fat one.

[628] They use like a collagenase procedure that enzymatically breaks down.

[629] the collagen from the fat and somehow concentrates the stem cells and you can actually grow them like you can actually multiply them i'm assuming it something similar for bone huh and the bone would be more for like longevity and anti -aging and then the fat would be more for for joints i know a lot of people who got the bone marrow done for injuries yeah yeah yeah and it's supposed to be very painful was it painful for you when they extracted the bone not compared to the dick injections nah no it's all relative but i've been i've been obstacle course racing and i was i was triathlete before that and did bodybuilds so i've always done all this you know masochistic shit so again i think my pain tolerance is is high don't sure the the bone marrow didn't hurt that much no it was like they they go in um the dick one was where there was like that weird pressure a little bit of pain i would say that the iodine packing into the staff infection that you're talking about that was that was up there well daniel cornea ufc light heavyweight champion had it done with the bone marrow and he was telling me it was painful as hell.

[630] And he's about as tough of human beings they get.

[631] You mean getting injected or getting it's taken out?

[632] I mean, it's a big needle.

[633] He was limping around except for a while.

[634] When I did the stem cell injections, that was cool because they used a digital thermography.

[635] So it's like an ultrasound.

[636] It's like what you would use to look at a baby.

[637] Yeah.

[638] But you can see the tissue.

[639] You can see the areas where there's swelling or there's like a black area where the tissue is torn up or where there's edema or inflammation.

[640] And you can.

[641] And he showed me the video.

[642] after he did all the injections, you can see the needle, like going into the, you can micro -target exactly, exactly where you want to put the cells.

[643] Yeah, I've done it.

[644] So it's a very, very cool procedure.

[645] I've done it.

[646] Did they use that, the thermography?

[647] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[648] It's a cool procedure.

[649] Have you ever done regenerine?

[650] No. You're aware of it?

[651] You know what it is?

[652] No. It's one of the things that a lot of pro athletes are going to Germany to get done.

[653] It's a form of platelet -rich plasma where they heat it up.

[654] And by heating up the plasma, it produces this radical anti -examination.

[655] inflammatory property it's like they extract it into this yellow serum they spin into a centrifuge so if you're gonna get it done I've had it done on how is that different than just normal PRP more powerful more poorly because it's heated up yeah there's some PRP before yeah I have as well yeah it's I mean obviously I'm not doctor but according to these doctors that do it and there's a place in Santa Monica that does it called lifespan medicine I've had it done really yeah that for the longest time you had to go to Germany like Dana white flew to Germany needed to get it done.

[656] Because it was illegal in the U .S.?

[657] They hadn't, yeah.

[658] Interesting.

[659] Yeah, but I'm going over to Venice Beach.

[660] I'm going to be down by there.

[661] I'm going to these cats at the place I was talking about, the human garage.

[662] That's an interesting place.

[663] If you really want to talk to the guy who does it, my friend, Dr. Ben Roohy is the guy who performs the procedures down there.

[664] He would love to talk to you, too.

[665] Yeah, sure.

[666] You'd get a kick out of it.

[667] It's pretty interesting shit.

[668] I'll run out of stuff to inject into joints, but for now.

[669] For me, it really helps.

[670] help me heal a bulging disc in my neck.

[671] Really?

[672] They go right into the spinal cord.

[673] It's great for people that have pretty serious neck injuries and back injuries.

[674] Have you tried this thing?

[675] I think it's Petacon is the company that makes it, but it's like a neck traction device.

[676] I have one hanging him.

[677] I have that and a yoga trapeze.

[678] And so I'll hang.

[679] Yeah, I'll hang by the neck.

[680] I do this when I get up, right?

[681] I get up and I put like a bunch of magnesium on my neck and my back to relax all the tissue.

[682] And once you get really relaxed and I have this, this, this.

[683] this vibrator it's uh it's like a car buffer for your body so you can vibrate your neck and your back and and you get really really relaxed and it's it's perfect for you know for like doing your own deep tissue therapy but it but it vibrates so i'll do that on my body and then you go hang from this neck thing yeah and you get all these pops up and down your neck and it and it apparently realigns the atlas and the axis and some of the cervical vertebra and there's probably a bunch of chiropractic docs who are who are uh really uh pissed off right now because i'm describing this incorrectly but it it it feels amazing like it just adjusts everything and then I hang from the yoga trapeze well when it definitely does is decompress yeah definitely decompresses your I don't know about all that of the nonsense but it definitely it's stretching out those muscles and alleviating some of the stress that comes from bad posture and for me it was a lot of grappling yeah getting your neck cranked and squished and yeah resisting things it's like um it's kind of similar to traction and I've really been getting into that have you heard of L -D -O -A no it's like a form of stretch where I actually had a guy come to my house for two days and he stayed in my basement and we wake up I've done this a few times I'll have people come over to me and just like teach there's there's another guy who mashes like use a walker and just like mash up and down your body and uh but this is el doa so el doa you'll like push a joint out this way and then out this way and then your feet will be splayed in both directions there's like 20 different poses that you do but it's a form of self traction right so So it's like, it's similar to like if you were to use a monster band to traction a joint.

[684] Have you ever done that, like traction your hip with a, where you'll tie a monster band around your hip and then attach it to...

[685] I have not.

[686] No, but I've seen people do it.

[687] Yeah, that's L -D -O -O -A.

[688] Is that Adam from M -Pump?

[689] Is that the M -Pump video?

[690] I think that's my buddy, Adam.

[691] It says spinal health, L -D -O -A.

[692] Yeah, so that's one of the ones I do in the morning.

[693] That's L -5S -1.

[694] So they all work on a specific, like, part of the back or part of the body.

[695] Let me say it again.

[696] E -L -D -O -A.

[697] L -D -O -A.

[698] El -D -O -A.

[699] I forget what it stands for.

[700] It was invented by this guy named Gievoie, a French guy.

[701] And, dude, you feel amazing.

[702] You hold these poses for, like, a minute, and it introduces a bunch of new blood flow to the joint.

[703] See how he's doing that?

[704] He'll, like, put his hand up and traction the fascia.

[705] And so he's getting this intense pull.

[706] If you were to do this, you get this intense pull on your back.

[707] I do this one, so I could show it to you after, but you feel amazing.

[708] I do this when I wake up now.

[709] Who invented all this stuff?

[710] This is a very cool form of stretching.

[711] This goes back.

[712] This is like some French guy invented it.

[713] And I don't remember how I heard about it, but I interview this guy named Jacob Shone on my podcast, and he taught me all these moves and came to my house.

[714] And it's another one of those really cool forms of stretching.

[715] How often do you do yoga?

[716] I have a sauna.

[717] Do you do like an infrared sauna?

[718] No, we have a regular sauna.

[719] I use like a near far infrared sauna.

[720] And I go in there because your tissue is very pliable and hot.

[721] So I had a crane drop a 19 foot endless pool out in the forest back behind my house in Spokane.

[722] And I keep this thing just like super duper cold, right?

[723] So it's like 45, 50 degrees.

[724] So that's like my cryotherapy, cold water immersion.

[725] Well, during the winter, And the fall just stays that cold.

[726] I just keep the lid off.

[727] And then during the summer, when I'm coming back home and I'm going by the gas station up the hill before my house, I stop and I buy ice bags.

[728] And I just dump them in there.

[729] So it stays relatively cold.

[730] And what I do in the mornings when I'm home is I do this sauna.

[731] And you ask about yoga.

[732] I go in there.

[733] And this is when I do a lot of this stuff, right?

[734] Like I'll do some of my yoga moves, some of my Aldoa.

[735] There's another really good form of stretching called Core Foundation, Doc named Eric Goodman.

[736] and it's like a form of decompression for the spine.

[737] He works with a lot of athletes.

[738] It kind of like turns on your glutes, decompresses your spine.

[739] So I just use a mashup of all these little moves, and I'll be in my sauna for like 30 minutes.

[740] So I'm producing all the heat shock proteins.

[741] I'm getting the nitric oxide, getting the blood flow, and you just feel good.

[742] Right.

[743] So I get all sweaty, and I get kind of woo -we.

[744] I'll sprinkle essential oils in there, and I'll burn like Palo Santo incense and put on...

[745] You burn incense inside the sauna?

[746] Yeah, it smells really nice.

[747] You put on beats?

[748] Like binaural beats?

[749] Yeah, like binaural beats.

[750] So there's this guy named Michael Tyrell, and he makes these CDs and these tracks that...

[751] Even when you said his name, you lowered your voice.

[752] Michael Tyrell.

[753] You lowered your...

[754] Michael Tyrell.

[755] Makes these amazing tracks.

[756] And they vibrate at specific hertz frequencies, right?

[757] There's this whole idea that, like, your root chakra, like your fourth chakra, your heart chakra, It vibrates at 528 hertz, and there's different hertz frequencies associated with different positive aspects of your, you know, it's this, it's like a chakra.

[758] Right, but is that bullshit?

[759] I mean, have you tried to debunk any of that?

[760] I don't know, I feel really good.

[761] If I feel good, I'm going to try to debunk it.

[762] Why not?

[763] Yeah, why not?

[764] Are you doing this with headsets on?

[765] No, the sauna has like surround speakers, and so I just, I play that through the speakers.

[766] No Bluetooth and no Wi -Fi, Jamie.

[767] It's just like my little shitty little iPod shuffle that I have.

[768] I plug it and play.

[769] And so I play that.

[770] Well, I'm in the sauna, and I'm doing all my moves.

[771] And then I walk out of my house, go through my office, walk through the forest, and I go and jump in the pool.

[772] And I'll just swim in there for, like, it's like 50 yards.

[773] It's not that far.

[774] So you just jump one to the other?

[775] Yeah, so you go back and forth?

[776] And no, it's too much to go back and forth.

[777] I've tried to just, I got to keep things somewhat because this is getting kind of complex between, like, the light on the balls and the essential way.

[778] Like, you got to, you got to draw the line somewhere.

[779] themselves sometimes I'll have friends over and and will vapor will smoke in the sauna and then we'll go out to the pool and then go roll around in the snow then get back in the pool then go back in the sauna and my I do this and my wife is inside making dinner and we just feel amazing we got the hot we got the cold and then we go in and we eat dinner it's it's amazing it's my favorite thing to do with my friends wow but in the morning I do the sauna and then the ice and then or the cold pool and then I finish with a quick dip in the hot tub out in the trees because I put a hot hot tub next to the cold pool and everything's like super clean you know it's clean with ozone and minerals instead of chlorine and so you just feel really really clean and I walk in and start my day I feel like nine bucks so I do yoga yeah but it's in it's in the sauna well it sounds like you're just stretching you're not doing like the strengthening poses well what do you mean like like like like warrior one warrior two warrior three like standing bow pose head to knee pose like very strenuous I'm not doing like old person yoga No, I do the legit shit.

[780] Listen, I know you're a fit guy.

[781] I'm not questioning your fitness.

[782] I do a headstand.

[783] I'm just wondering what you're doing actually in the sauna.

[784] Yeah, I make it up as I go.

[785] I don't know, like, I was just based on how you feel?

[786] Well, I was speaking in, that's why I'm down here.

[787] I was speaking Costa Mesa a couple days ago, and there was like this banquet dinner as part of the event.

[788] I was the next to this guy.

[789] I'm like, well, what do you do for your fitness routine, et cetera?

[790] He does Bikram yoga every day, but like the Bikram yoga, like all of the poses that are part of Bikram yoga.

[791] because it's a set series of routines.

[792] You've done Bickram before?

[793] Yeah.

[794] Yeah, it's like 90 minutes.

[795] He does that every single.

[796] I did it nine days in a row.

[797] Yeah.

[798] No, he's been doing it for like eight years every day.

[799] I'm impressed because we did it.

[800] We did sober October and we had to do 15 of them in a month, me and a bunch of my friends.

[801] Yeah.

[802] I wanted to burn it out.

[803] So the last nine days, well, I had a few days to go, but for nine days, I just said, let me just get these out of the way.

[804] And every day I did 90 minutes.

[805] And it was like, wow.

[806] But it's interesting because you realize that your body can do that.

[807] It is.

[808] It's force it.

[809] I don't like to overdo it, though, because it's static stretching.

[810] And we know that can decrease force potential.

[811] Like, it can decrease power production if you become too pliable, too flexible.

[812] Isn't that the case, though, pre -workout?

[813] Like, pre -workout, they're saying these things.

[814] But chronically, if you elongate tissue, and I don't know if they've actually done any studies on people who have done yoga for a really long time and compared, like, their vertical jump right before and after.

[815] But I just feel almost too stretchy.

[816] if I get too into it.

[817] Like, I feel like when I run, it's a little bit more like Gumby running versus limiting the amount of yoga that I did.

[818] And definitely, definitely static stretching prior to force production is not a good idea.

[819] Right, like prior to things like squats or something like that.

[820] It was like when the lights went out during the Super Bowl a few years ago, you remember that?

[821] And you could see on TV, both teams were just like standing on the sidelines or sitting on the sideline doing these long hamstrings, static stretches.

[822] And I wondered why they were doing that, because they were about to get back in and engage in a very powerful, explosive sport.

[823] So, yeah, it's dynamic stretching, definitely, prior to forced production activities.

[824] Yeah, I wonder why they're doing.

[825] Maybe they just have really old school trainers or something like that are not aware.

[826] Yeah.

[827] Or maybe they're just doing it on their own.

[828] Before I do that isometric training for power production, I've got two things.

[829] I bought this stuff called nose torque on Amazon.

[830] You heard of this stuff?

[831] Nose torque.

[832] It's like smelling salts on steroids.

[833] no so uh yeah powerlifter told me about it and he he would sniff it before he'll go like you rip a 700 pound bar off the ground and you snort that you open up the cap on this stuff and it's just like releasing a wild animal into the room and it so you release the cap it's like smelling salt on steroids and you smell and you just want to go kill somebody or find somebody yeah what is it it's called nose torque or nose torque ever yeah it's something like that like no Nose torque.

[834] T -R -K.

[835] T -R -K, yeah, there you go.

[836] And so I do that.

[837] And then the other one that I just made this, you can buy this for, like, pennies on the dollar on Amazon.

[838] Yeah, you can get these essential oil inhalers.

[839] So there's some guy just smelled it.

[840] Here we go.

[841] Yeah, oh, he can't even get it near his face.

[842] He's got it way out.

[843] It's hard.

[844] Like, it packs a punch.

[845] But what is it supposed to do?

[846] Did he just do it, or is he getting ready to do it?

[847] It's like smelling.

[848] It's ammonia.

[849] So it, I don't know chemically.

[850] Like, I would imagine it just put your sympathetic nervous system into overdrive when you sniff all that ammonia like he's been really ginger he's like oh I know I've I've done it with some of my friends at restaurants I carry it around sometimes oh Jesus you bring into a restaurant I have smelled my bowcase actually you can smell it go get it um right now you want to sniff it right now let's do it on there all right let's do it all right nose torque it's out in the car oh it's in the car it's in you know what we'll do it we'll do it after it'll be boring podcasting plus if people really want to try They can just buy it on Amazon.

[851] So it jacks your system up and excites you and it allows you to.

[852] So they should be on the field doing that before they.

[853] I don't know if I would recommend that.

[854] They're probably some guys like nosebleas and heart attack.

[855] That fucking smell.

[856] Yeah.

[857] The other one is peppermint.

[858] Have you ever used like peppermint oil?

[859] And they've done studies on this on peppermint oil and athletic performance.

[860] And what I have is this little, it looks like a little tampon.

[861] You can buy these on Amazon.

[862] on they're called aromatherapy inhalers and it's like this little cotton wick and you put it you put essential oil on the cotton wick right so it absorbs into the wick and then you put the cap on and you can carry this around in the gym in your pocket or i play tennis on wednesday night so i bring it to my tennis matches and while i'm playing tennis i'll stop sometimes and sniff this thing you kind of say like a wake and alert and dude like it's just peppermint it's just peppermint it's just I put, like, if you get bloating your gas, you can smear that around your stomach, and it makes it go away.

[863] It goes through your skin?

[864] It goes through your skin.

[865] How does that work?

[866] It gets absorbed through the skin.

[867] I mean, you know this.

[868] The skin is, skin is a mouth.

[869] Yeah, but it gets all the way in your internal organs?

[870] I don't know if it actually goes into the actual stomach, like, in, like, through the, through the epithelial lining and into the actual intestine.

[871] But, like, it has an effect for sure.

[872] You know what I just started using recently is topical CBD?

[873] I got some topical CBD and like a roll -on, almost like a deodorant roll -on kind of a thing.

[874] It's amazing.

[875] Yeah, CBD, there's one, I use this stuff called bio -cbd, and it's turmeric or curcumin with CBD.

[876] And, yeah, it's the same thing.

[877] It's like a topical.

[878] They also do THC, like THC roll -ons.

[879] Yeah, they do that now.

[880] There's another thing.

[881] Speaking of the sexual performance thing, you can actually buy like THC sex lube.

[882] And, I mean, it's like a high for your crotch.

[883] Literally, you apply it locally, and it's like your crotch gets a high.

[884] I believe it.

[885] You can do the same thing with these little coconut oil, THC, suppository.

[886] Well, they're not a suppository.

[887] They're meant for swallowing in the mouth.

[888] That's a normal route of delivery, but you can shove them up your butt, like, 30 or 40 minutes before you have sex.

[889] And you actually get, like, this amazing high for your crotch as just like these THC coconut oil capsules.

[890] Wow.

[891] How'd you find out about that?

[892] Just shoved up, chuff your butt and take notes.

[893] They have actual bath salts, not bath salts like the drug, but stuff that you put in the bath now, that's THC.

[894] Really?

[895] Yeah, they're doing everything out here now.

[896] It's crazy.

[897] They've gone hog wild because it's basically legal.

[898] Well, the same thing, Washington's.

[899] Yeah, Washington's legal.

[900] But the guy that I get my stuff from in California just sort of giving me this stuff to put in the bath.

[901] Yeah.

[902] And he's like, you've got to be careful, though, because you can get way too high in your bath.

[903] I believe it.

[904] Your skin's with skin absorption.

[905] And, yeah, you're literally, like, just, like, bathing in it.

[906] Like, people bathe in wine in these fancy spas.

[907] Yeah.

[908] They what?

[909] They bathe in wine.

[910] They have wine baths, yeah.

[911] There's this place I go to in New York City, it's called R -A -Spa, A -I -R -E.

[912] And they have, like, one of the options to go there is, you can just take, like, a bath and wine.

[913] That sounds so like Caligula.

[914] I know.

[915] I was like, free me the wine and a few virgins and some feed -me grapes.

[916] Oh, look at this lady.

[917] She's taking a drip of it.

[918] Oh, God.

[919] Oh, that's so strange.

[920] That's kind of cheesy, though.

[921] She looks like a news anchor.

[922] Yeah, she does.

[923] Yeah, this is like for, yeah.

[924] Oh, my gosh.

[925] She's eating grapes.

[926] There we go.

[927] I called it the grapes.

[928] You could so, yeah, it's actually a cool spa.

[929] I've never done the wine back.

[930] That sounds like you get really fucked up.

[931] I don't know if you'd get drunk from the wine.

[932] I don't know if it would actually wind up in your, in your set.

[933] But they use antioxidant rich temperineo grapes.

[934] Well, how could you not get some sort of absorption?

[935] I'm sure you would get something.

[936] One of the things about the sensory deprivation tank is that through the Epsom salts, your body absorbs a lot of magnesium.

[937] Right.

[938] I like the magnesium chloride, like using actual magnesium, and I like that because you can get it for, I mean, that's what they use to melt ice.

[939] Like you can just buy this stuff.

[940] Oh, like rock salt?

[941] Yeah, no, you guys don't melt a lot of ice in California, but like in Washington State, you can buy magnesium chloride about like a freaking like concrete size bag, a concrete mixed size bag of it.

[942] And it's the same stuff that they sell on these expensive websites as like magnesium salts.

[943] It's just magnesium chloride.

[944] Really?

[945] And you can dump that in your, you get way more magnesium than you get from Epsom salts.

[946] Oh, wow.

[947] And that's really what you want is the magnesium.

[948] like that that's displacing the calcium that's producing the relaxing effect that's you know it's maybe i should add that to my tank magnesium yeah because i've already got the i don't know like ask first to make sure it's not going to mess up the is there like a filtration mechanism on the tank yeah there's some pretty heavy filtration system but it filters out the absin salts i have an idea of course because that's why you're here i just get i get really bored in float tanks so yeah i just said and go in with edibles and i i i don't know in with edibles and i i i Uh, no. That's the move.

[949] Going with edibles, you went out before.

[950] I've only done it three times every time in Austin, Texas, and it's always been like I've been on my wife.

[951] Yeah.

[952] I'll try a lot of people do with ketamine, don't they?

[953] Yeah, that's the guy who invented it, John Lilly's method.

[954] Yeah, I have an edible that I make at home with Kratum, which is an opioid -like painkiller.

[955] That's freaking amazing.

[956] It induces this euphoria -like high.

[957] And then I add CBD, THC, H -T -HC, copayba oil have you ever heard of this no copyba oil acts on the endocanabinoid receptors very similarly to THC and CBD but it has what's called like an entourage effect meaning it enhances the effects of CBD and THC so like if you're if you're vaping you can add like a couple drops of oil over the top of the herb or you can mix it into like an edible is this those sleep cakes that you make yeah yeah I saw that yeah my sister accidentally took one last week and said she had the best night of sleep of her life.

[958] Really?

[959] And I don't travel with them because they just smell like you just open up a whip -ass can full of weed.

[960] So you don't want those in the bow case when you're traveling.

[961] All the dogs.

[962] Yeah, exactly.

[963] Every day.

[964] Like just a whole line of dogs follow me through the airport.

[965] Run like O .J. Simpson.

[966] Anyways, though, the mix I use is coconut oil and ghee and dark chocolate and a little bit of stevia.

[967] Like I have this butterscotch toffee stevia.

[968] It's amazing.

[969] I travel everywhere.

[970] I put it in sparkling water.

[971] I put it in coffee.

[972] It's like an organic butterscotch toffee, Stevia.

[973] Where are you getting that?

[974] I'm addicted to it.

[975] It's a company called Omica Organics.

[976] I actually get a three -pack, O -M -I -C -A.

[977] I get it off Amazon.

[978] It's vanilla, butterscotch, tofu, and plain.

[979] Like if you just don't want, if you want to sweeten something, but you don't want those extra flavors, best, best stevia ever.

[980] So I put all this in the edible, and I have this countertop immersion blender called it a magical butter machine.

[981] And you blend this.

[982] And it blends on top of your counter for like eight hours and all this stuff mixes together.

[983] And then you pour it into molds and you can just put it in the freezer.

[984] And then I keep it in these like little Miran glass jars so it doesn't degrade.

[985] And it's just like the best, best edible ever.

[986] So I should try something before a float tank.

[987] Oh, yeah.

[988] But return to my float tank idea.

[989] Okay.

[990] So I get these ideas when I'm in the float tank.

[991] And I want to, and usually it's like five or ten minutes in.

[992] So I spend the next 50 minutes.

[993] Like trying to remember.

[994] like, don't forget this, don't forget.

[995] And I try, like, these little mnemonic techniques where you imagine, like, you know, like an image of what you remembered is waiting for you outside the door as soon as you open the float tank.

[996] So it might work for you to remember.

[997] But basically, it just kind of screws up my whole ability to be able to just, like, let thoughts come and go and relax.

[998] So my idea is this.

[999] Why not have some kind of a recorder?

[1000] Yeah, I thought of that already.

[1001] Voice activated recording.

[1002] You can get those.

[1003] Shit, I thought I was the first one to think of this.

[1004] No. Screw it.

[1005] I've been doing that forever.

[1006] So like a voice activated recorder, yeah.

[1007] Do you have one?

[1008] No, I never did because.

[1009] And then you walk out and you just get an MP3 playback from whatever you thought of.

[1010] I've been trying to figure out what a good one would be and how to set it up in there with all the salt and not have it degrade.

[1011] But I think you could do.

[1012] You could just figure it out.

[1013] I mean, sure.

[1014] That is my thought.

[1015] My thought is a Velcro, like a Velcro patch.

[1016] Slap it in when you go in there and then activate it.

[1017] You ever see those voice activated ones with a red.

[1018] A scene voice activated recorders, yeah.

[1019] I don't want the red light, though.

[1020] Yeah.

[1021] Well, they make these LED, you know, they're like, you know, because when I travel, I don't like to get all the blue light in the hotel rooms and I'll unplug things.

[1022] Try to make the hotel room dark, right?

[1023] Because when you flip off the lights in a hotel room, it's just like freaking Vegas, right?

[1024] There's blue lights on the TV and stuff flashing, you know, all over the place.

[1025] So they make these, and I had it for a while.

[1026] I don't travel with it anymore, but it's like a black tape.

[1027] You can put over things that light up in a room.

[1028] So you can just use something like that.

[1029] Yeah, it's like a, you can, they're like LED light blockers.

[1030] It's like tape, basically.

[1031] But you just put it over the cover of anything that lights up.

[1032] You can do something like that on the digital recorder.

[1033] Wow.

[1034] You could sell this for millions of dollars.

[1035] Well, I think the digital recorded thing is a really good idea.

[1036] And someone needs to, I need to.

[1037] Thank you.

[1038] Who's my idea?

[1039] It was not your idea.

[1040] I'm sure I thought of it first.

[1041] When did you first start doing it?

[1042] Oh, I thought of this like two years ago.

[1043] I started in 2002.

[1044] I got you, dude.

[1045] I've had a tank since 2002.

[1046] Really?

[1047] Yeah, so.

[1048] Yeah.

[1049] I raced Iron Man Triathlon for eight years and just got tons of sensory depth in the water, just staring at that black line at the bottom of the pool.

[1050] It's hard for me to just, like, get in water and relax.

[1051] I feel like I have to swim, right?

[1052] I've never been able to get that relaxed.

[1053] Oh, that's interesting.

[1054] So you associate, like, water with the movement?

[1055] I associate water with swimming.

[1056] Like, I get in water, and I want to, and I love water, right?

[1057] Like, I free dive and I spearfish.

[1058] I read this book, Deep by James Nestor, amazing book, about all these cool things that when you go down deep.

[1059] And he talks about how Olympic athletes are using this now to enhance the performance because your spleen compresses and you produce more erythropoietin, more red blood cells.

[1060] The same thing that you produce, actually, if you sauna, like if you do a workout and you get really hot, and then you go in the sauna after they've done studies on this, and they found that 30 minutes of heat therapy after you've already gotten the body hot, you produce EPO, the same as if you were to use the performance -enhancing drug.

[1061] Yeah, that's interesting.

[1062] There was a study that just came out about cryotherapy, and this echo something that Rhonda Patrick was saying, that if you do cryo, her advice was you should wait at least an hour after a workout before you do it and allow your body to have some sort of effect from the exercise, but sauna, they're saying you should do almost immediately afterwards.

[1063] So the idea with this, and there was a brand new study that just came out like three days ago where they show that heat post -exercise enhanced the effects of exercise, whereas cold blunted the hormetic response to exercise, which makes sense.

[1064] It's the same thing.

[1065] Inside of a window, though.

[1066] It's a window of time.

[1067] So the deal is you don't want to blunt the hermetic response to exercise.

[1068] High -dose antioxidants, cryotherapy, cold immersion, all of that can do this.

[1069] That's a problem with fighters, because a lot of fighters are getting into cold immersion, like immediately after workouts.

[1070] Exactly.

[1071] So they should wait at least two hours.

[1072] So you'd want to wait until later on in the day.

[1073] How many hours do you think?

[1074] There's no research on the amount of time.

[1075] For me, what I do.

[1076] Same thing when I do like a hard afternoon workout.

[1077] I wait a couple hours afterwards because you get a bigger testosterone and growth hormone response when you wait after workout to eat.

[1078] Actually, Mark Sisson was the first guy who told me about this.

[1079] And it turns out that there actually is a better hormonal response when you fast post -exercise.

[1080] Same thing with antioxidants.

[1081] There are a couple exceptions I can tell you about.

[1082] Same thing with cryotherapy, not the same time.

[1083] time if you finish up a hard afternoon or especially like an early evening workout, you have a very high body temperature.

[1084] So my theory is that a brief dose of cold, like I'll jump in the cold pool and get out, not a fall, just enough to decrease the core body temperature, which is one of the ways that you enhance deep sleep cycles.

[1085] So I also sleep on this thing called the chili pad that circulates like cold water underneath my body while I'm asleep.

[1086] Yeah, and the cool thing is like your partner can put their temperature on and I can put my temperature on and you can you can sleep at whatever temp you want so i sleep with this thing doesn't it make noise though at 55 degrees yeah but it's not it's like background noise i sleep with all these you know binary and everything anyway i use this thing called called sleep stream it's like a dj for sleep so i put my phone in airplane mode and then i have these these noise blocking headphones and if you're a side sleeper you can use these things called sleep phones which is like a head band that goes around your head um anyways though back to the to the not doing the cold after exercise so you wait a little while, but I think decreasing the body's core temperature is good.

[1087] So like a cold shower?

[1088] Cold water immersion also beats out cryotherapy because it's actually more, and there was a study they did last month on this, that cold water immersion was very effective in reducing post -workout muscle soreness and that inflammatory response to exercise compared to cryotherapy.

[1089] But again, you should wait a little bit before you do it.

[1090] You should wait a little bit before you do it, but I think part of that is due to you get like this hydrostatic pressure of water against the skin, right?

[1091] So it kind of pushes the cold against the skin a little bit better.

[1092] And then the other reason is that when your head gets wet, when your head goes under, you know, same thing as you would get with a cold shower, you get like this mammalian dive reflex, right?

[1093] Like that sharp intake of breath, and that activates your vagus nerve.

[1094] So we talked about HRV and heart rate variability tracking.

[1095] Anytime you do something like that, that improves the tone of the vagus nerve, you would actually improve your ability to recover and improve the strength of your nervous system.

[1096] And they sell like vagal nerve stimulators, and they've looked into the tone.

[1097] like chanting, humming, singing, jaw, they call it jaw realignment therapy, apparently removes the pressure that the trigeminal nerve can place on the vagus nerve.

[1098] There's all these things you can do to enhance the health of your vagus nerve, and that's one of the things that improves your HRV or your heart rate variability.

[1099] It allows your sympathetic and your parasympathetic nervous system to be on balance.

[1100] But when you're saying tone, like, what do you mean by that?

[1101] The tone of the nerve, it would basically be synonymous with like the health.

[1102] of the nerve.

[1103] I don't know what's actually, I don't know if it's changing like the, you know, what do you call them, the myelin sheaths of the nerve or something like that when you're increasing the tone of the nerve.

[1104] But more or less, it's healthy for the Vegas nerve when you get, when you get your head wet or underwater.

[1105] So when I go in my cold pool after workout, I put my head under and then come up, like five or ten times just to go up and down and up and down.

[1106] Then I get out.

[1107] And if I'm going to do a longer cold soak, it's not right after a workout.

[1108] The two studies I found on antioxidant use after workout, right, high -dose antioxidant, like vitamin C, vitamin E, et cetera, that supposedly blunts the hermetic response to exercise.

[1109] But there is one study that shows that green tea polyphenols don't do that.

[1110] So green tea would allow you to fight off the inflammatory effects of exercise without blunting, for example, satellite cell proliferation or building of new mitochondria or all of the things that you want to happen in response to a work.

[1111] the green tea.

[1112] And the other one was, and this is a new thing.

[1113] Like, not a lot of people are talking about this now, but it's like hydrogen -rich compounds.

[1114] Like they call it hydrogen -rich water.

[1115] And there's these companies now, there's like four or five of them.

[1116] They sell like these tablets that you can dissolve in water.

[1117] And there's a, uh, the molecular hydrogen foundation.

[1118] They do research on, on this hydrogen.

[1119] And they're not, they don't have a financial affiliation with any of these companies.

[1120] So I respect some of the research that they do.

[1121] And they've found that it actually blunts the, or it allows for anti -inflammatory and antioxin effect to shut down like the inflammatory response to exercise without blunting the hormetic response.

[1122] It would be like green tea and molecular hydrogen would be the two things that I know of that you could do post -workout to blunt that inflammatory response without actually blunting the hormetic response to exercise.

[1123] So it'll enhance without diminishing.

[1124] Right, exactly, exactly.

[1125] Have your cake and eat it too.

[1126] One of the things I think that's probably really good about cold immersion therapy also, I think there's a meditative aspect of getting into that incredible cold and just relaxing and calming and I think it does something for your mind.

[1127] It does and it's the nervous system, right?

[1128] Like what I tell people is you have a strong, and I take my kids out there, right?

[1129] And I've trained them since the very early age.

[1130] They go out there, they jump in the cold pool, but they'll stand in front of the cold pool and calm their nervous system, calm their heart rate.

[1131] I'll have them visual, like one of them visualizes a sea otter, right?

[1132] And the other one does a polar bear.

[1133] So they'll visualize these animals that are just like impervious to cold, right?

[1134] And then they get in the water and they know there's no sharp intake of breath.

[1135] There's no like people do when they take a cold shower a lot of the time.

[1136] If you can get your body to that point, I think that it probably has a pretty, it's a good indicator that you're building that nervous system resilience.

[1137] Like if you can just get in cold and not freak out.

[1138] So that's what I think people who do cold should train themselves to be able to do.

[1139] I've heard that argument about the sauna as well.

[1140] But it also builds, like, a mental toughness to be able to just sit in there and calm yourself and get used to the adverse feet.

[1141] Get to the point where you want to bang down the door and climb out.

[1142] And, yeah, that's what I like to get myself, too, in the song.

[1143] Because obviously, you get a bigger expression of heat shock protein and more blood flow when you get really hot.

[1144] But, yeah, there's a mental effect, too.

[1145] Same thing with the water.

[1146] I was talking about that book, the book Deep and how I got into, like, free diving and spearfishing.

[1147] How deep you are going?

[1148] Which I think you would love.

[1149] I would love, I'm sure.

[1150] I would, I told you, I'm going to go hunt.

[1151] Aubrey was telling me that's like hunting underwater.

[1152] Actually, yeah, Aubrey and I spearfished in Kona last year.

[1153] He and Whitney and I went down there, and we were just using like the little three -prong guns.

[1154] It wasn't full on like 80 feet deep, you know, big -ass guns after tuna.

[1155] Wow, after tuna?

[1156] Jesus Christ.

[1157] People go out there like, I've never done deep.

[1158] I would not want to be underwater attached to a tuna.

[1159] Well, what you do is you have a reel.

[1160] And the reel is attached to a float.

[1161] Right.

[1162] And so after you shoot and you spear a big fish like a tuna, it's not dragging you.

[1163] It's dragging the float.

[1164] Oh, I see.

[1165] So all you have to do is wait for that float to pop back up wherever it's going to pop up.

[1166] But I haven't done that.

[1167] But that's like on my bucket list big time.

[1168] I'm going back to Kona.

[1169] I'm going back to Kona.

[1170] And that's going to be more shallow water spearfishing.

[1171] We're going to hunt for scrub cattle, sheep, goat.

[1172] You know, the pig there's a made.

[1173] They have scrub cattle and Kona?

[1174] Yeah.

[1175] And the pig feed on like macadamia.

[1176] That's an avocado.

[1177] Explain to people with scrub cattle.

[1178] I don't know what scrub cattle is, but apparently it tastes amazing.

[1179] What scrub bulls are, they're essentially domestic cattle that have gone feral.

[1180] So some time in the past, whether it's 10, 20 generations back, whatever it was, they busted through some fences, and now they're wild.

[1181] And in Australia, they hunt them, and they're very dangerous.

[1182] Apparently, they are the most aggressive bulls.

[1183] Bring it on.

[1184] I can't wait.

[1185] You've got to be real careful.

[1186] One of Adam Green Tree's buddies got gourd real bad, and he had to, uh, you had to, uh, you had to, uh, I'll be medevacked out of there.

[1187] He was in the northern country.

[1188] I'm just going to play a shitload of techno hunt.

[1189] I'll be ready.

[1190] So the book, I read this book by James Nestor, and I had them on my podcast.

[1191] I'm like, dude, I want to learn how to do this.

[1192] I want to learn how to, like, compress the spleen and go under and learn how to hold my breath and get all these nervous system benefits.

[1193] You learn how to compresses the spleen?

[1194] The spleen just gets compressed because the depth.

[1195] I want to learn how to get deep enough, because I couldn't, even as an Ironman, triathlete, I couldn't go deeper than 15 feet without freaking out.

[1196] Because, like, my ears would get the pressure in them, and I could do the, what do you call it, the, when you equalize, not the friendzel technique, but it's the, you know, when you go, yeah, I'm forgetting the name of it.

[1197] The pop your ears.

[1198] Yeah, the pop your ears technique that most people do when they get into the water, but there's another technique called the frenzel technique where you'll pull the, it's like, and you see, you see like your nose go, see how my nose goes out like that.

[1199] if you do that you can equalize it like 20 feet 30 feet 40 feet so I said who can I go learn from me he's like you got to go see this cat down in Fort Lauder down in Ted Hardy course Florida you got to go back to Florida everything absolutely spleen his dick shocks do the stem cells go learn how to do the spleen thing so I go to fortunately my grandmother lives in Florida so I have a place to stay when I go there so there's that at least and I take this free diving course and he gets me me from holding my breath for about a minute and 45 seconds he got me up to four 45 four minutes and 45 seconds took me from 15 feet over five days down to 80 feet where you're like you you actually they put a rope in the water and you go vertical and you have like your bit you know the big fins like you have the big fins and you have how long of those I've seen those on people but they're they're like half as long as that flag what's that like like three or four feet but yeah they're like these big carbon fins and I said dude just tell me all the best things to buy, and I contacted the editor of spearing.

[1200] They're carbon, so they're stiff.

[1201] They're carbon, they're stiff, and you just swim so fast in them.

[1202] And I contacted the editor of Spearing Magazine and asked me, what's the best gun to buy?

[1203] What are the best fins?

[1204] So I got outfitted with all this stuff.

[1205] And then I went down there, learned how to hold my breath, learn how to equalize.

[1206] And now when I spearfish, and I still, again, I haven't got to the point where I've gone.

[1207] Like, I go after the grouper and the parrot fish, like the little ones.

[1208] I haven't gotten to the point now where I'm hunting the big fish.

[1209] Groupers can get pretty fucking big.

[1210] Very similar to, I know the first time I went after him, I got two at once, two groupers at once.

[1211] And apparently it wasn't grouper season.

[1212] So they had me put them back.

[1213] Put them back.

[1214] It's not as big of a deal as if you shoot an elk and, you know, I'm a tag.

[1215] I mean, like, they have a grouper season.

[1216] I mean, not put them back.

[1217] I didn't like take them down to their little grouper nest and duck them away, but they're dead.

[1218] So you can't.

[1219] Yeah, you just leave them?

[1220] Yeah, you just leave them.

[1221] That seems ridiculous.

[1222] Well, I mean, they just didn't want to get fined.

[1223] They didn't want to get in trouble.

[1224] Right.

[1225] So anyways, though, spearfishing, amazing, and this whole, like, free diving, you know, we got on this topic from the float tanks, similar experience.

[1226] Like, you're just at peace under the water.

[1227] You're not wearing all the scuba equipment, so fish swim up to you, and you can kind of, like, lay on the bottom of the water and, you know, shoot something as it comes.

[1228] And I go with my kids, and they, like, sit on the shore with, like, buckets and knives, and, you know, they'll help brain the fish.

[1229] And then we take it back, and you have, like, fish cookoffs.

[1230] Oh, wow.

[1231] It's amazing.

[1232] It's very similar to boat, very similar field of bow hunting, except it's like that peaceful setting in the water.

[1233] It's probably intensely physical too, right?

[1234] Well, it's a great workout because you're not only, you're cold, so you're getting all the benefits of cold thermogenesis, you know, like the white adipose to brown fat conversion and the shivering and the calorie burning and, you know, the angiogenesis and all the stuff you get from cold, but then you're also, you're freaking hunting, right?

[1235] You're not sitting on the edge, like, with a fishing pole over a boat, which I find intensely boring.

[1236] You're actually in there.

[1237] And you're doing it all while you're holding your breath.

[1238] Doing it all while you're holding your breath, no scuba equipment.

[1239] And people will do like, like I do breath hold walks.

[1240] All right, well, I'll go on a walk.

[1241] And every time I pass a telephone pole, I'll just like take a breath.

[1242] I'll hold my breath as long as possible when I pass a telephone pole.

[1243] And then I'll breathe through my nose to recover.

[1244] And then when I get to the next telephone pole, I'll hold my breath.

[1245] I'm probably going to die someday, like, passed out next to a bus stop.

[1246] Like, by a car, blue in the face.

[1247] But, yeah, spearfish.

[1248] Like, you'd like it.

[1249] I'm sure I would.

[1250] I think you'd dig it.

[1251] Yeah, it seems like an interesting mental exercise, too, because you have to keep your shit together while you're under water and you want to take a breath.

[1252] You do.

[1253] And people die.

[1254] People do shallow water blackout.

[1255] And this is what I learned.

[1256] That's why this guy sent me down at Fort Lauderdale because this guy, he teaches safety, right?

[1257] You don't do like the Wim Hof breathing and blow off all the carbon dioxide so you can hold your breath longer, which is great for holding your breath longer.

[1258] But carbon dioxide is your body signal to take a breath.

[1259] Right.

[1260] So if you're able to hold your carbon dioxide, then you can pass out, you can shallow water blackout.

[1261] So, for example, you're floating on the water before you're going to take a dive down.

[1262] So you're kind of like watching the water, you're watching the fish, and you might do like a two count breath in, one, two, two count hold, and then 10 count breath out, two count hold.

[1263] And you're just like getting the heart rate down, you're getting the nervous system calm, you're not even supposed to do like a lot of caffeine, which jacks up the nervous system and causes you not be able to hold your breath as long.

[1264] Dairy makes the mucus more thick.

[1265] And so you can't hold your breath as long if you do a lot of dairy.

[1266] So you don't do a lot of dairy, don't do a lot of caffeine, and then you just dive down.

[1267] And I did, I brought ketones down because a lot of, like Dominique Diagostino has, you know, he's done research on, like, divers and reducing a lot of the effects of, like, reduced flow of oxygen to the brain that apparently these Navy SEAL divers get.

[1268] And he does research on the use of ketosis and ketones.

[1269] And one of the days that we were out there, I actually took ketones and they increased my breath hold time, just using like these exogenous ketones.

[1270] Really?

[1271] So apparently they have an effect as well.

[1272] I don't know if it's because the brain is using more of the ketones and the glucose, but they increased breath hold time.

[1273] Yeah, they came up with that for rebreathers, right?

[1274] Like that's when they started getting people.

[1275] Yeah, Navy -sealed divers when they're using rebreathers, apparently, a certain percentage of them are susceptible to seizures.

[1276] Yeah, and they use, well, two things.

[1277] You know, ketosis and CBD are two things that are used for, like, epilepsy and seizures.

[1278] Yeah, yeah.

[1279] Ketosis supposedly has an amazing effect with kids.

[1280] Kids that have seizures.

[1281] I did 12 months of, like, strict ketosis.

[1282] Really?

[1283] How'd you like it?

[1284] For a lab study.

[1285] Florida.

[1286] No, I'm just kidding.

[1287] It's at a University of Connecticut.

[1288] This guy named Jeff Volick.

[1289] He does a lot of, like, ketone research.

[1290] And he had one group of athletes follow just a normal endurance athlete diet for 12 months.

[1291] And another group followed, like, a high, fat, low carb, ketogenic diet for 12 months.

[1292] because he wanted to see if you would maintain your glycogen levels and if your performance would be synonymous to the group that did not eat the high fat, low carb diet, what would happen to inflammatory markers, what would happen to the gut microbiome.

[1293] But you wanted, like a lot of these studies on high fat, low carb diets, they'll follow people for like two weeks or three days and have meat like high fat, low carb and then see what happens when they go jam on a bike for 30 minutes or exercise, but they want to do like a long -term study to see if the body can adapt to burning fats as a fuel with long -term utilization of a high -fat diet, which I don't do anymore, by the way.

[1294] I save all my carbohydrates for the evening.

[1295] Then I eat a bunch of carbohydrates in the evening.

[1296] Like what kind of carbs do you eat?

[1297] Oh, like red wine, dark chocolate, tubers, starches, yams, sweet potatoes.

[1298] My wife's a cook, so she does like this amazing, like, slow -fermented sourdough bread, which like predigests all the gluten and lowers the glycemic index.

[1299] And it's like pretty much, you know, keen, Amaranth Mill, I don't follow a specific diet in terms of like restricting certain food groups.

[1300] My philosophy is you just make them digestible.

[1301] I've read that about eating carbs at night, that it's a good thing to relax you as well.

[1302] Well, technically, you're more insulin sensitive in the morning, but you can make yourself more insulin sensitive in the evening.

[1303] And the advantage of that is if you consume a bunch of your carbohydrates in the morning, when you're in an insulin sensitive state, what are you going to rely upon as your primary fuel during the rest of.

[1304] rest of the day.

[1305] Carbohydrates, right?

[1306] Instead of teaching your body how to be a fat burning machine and tap into fats and generate ketones.

[1307] So you save your carbohydrate intake for the end of the day, but I also save my hard workout for the end of the day, which is when your body temperature peaks and your grip strength peaks, and you can do a hard workout.

[1308] Anybody who rolls out of bed and tries to do a CrossFit Wad versus doing it 5 p .m. in the afternoon the afternoon and the afternoon, knows this.

[1309] Like, you can do a pretty good hard workout, like in the later afternoon to the evening when you're warmed up.

[1310] But that also upregulates insulin sensitivity and the activity of these glute four transporters that can shove glucose into muscle tissue, for example.

[1311] And so then you can have your cake and eat it too, right?

[1312] You create your own insulin sensitive state, and then you go off.

[1313] And typically I'll finish that workout around like 6 .6 .30, right?

[1314] And like I mentioned, I don't eat dinner for a couple hours after the workout.

[1315] Like 8 .30, we sit down to a family dinner, and I'll just use as many carbohydrates as I want because I'm in an insulin sensitive state.

[1316] by the next morning, and I tested this for a while, I did like the blood ketone and the breath ketone testing.

[1317] I'm back in a fat -burning state by the next morning.

[1318] That's interesting.

[1319] Even with the bread.

[1320] I've also replenished my glycogen stores and my liver and my muscle to be able to do the next day's hard workout, right?

[1321] So I like this strategy for athletes because they can get all the benefits of a fat -burning state, the reduced free radical production from excess glucose intake, the reduced glycemic variability, which is honestly it's a pretty big.

[1322] marker for in my opinion like like your risk factor for a host of chronic diseases like spiking your blood glucose multiple times during the day so instead you just don't eat carbohydrates all day do a hard workout at the end of the day and then have your carbohydrates to replenish all your energy levels then you go into the next day and then what's your primary food source during the day like what do you do you do we have like really good wild plants that grow up in our land so I have 10 acres up there in Washington State and we've got like wild net all and mint and plant and organ grape roots and comfrey and all these amazing plants.

[1323] So we also have eight raised garden beds where we grow kale and bok choy and Swiss chard.

[1324] Do you raise them so that they're not as obsessible to ground frost?

[1325] Well, when you raise a garden bed, you can just add whatever type of soil that you want to versus digging down.

[1326] Because my wife does a lot of compostings.

[1327] We have chickens and goats, so she used a lot of the dung from the chickens and the goats and the leftover food from inside and does composting.

[1328] And so we use a lot of this in the raised garden beds.

[1329] I started gardening this year indoors.

[1330] I'm growing something called Splalanthes, which I can tell you about later.

[1331] It's amazing.

[1332] I found it in Kauai.

[1333] But what I do during the day is eat a lot of wild plants.

[1334] So I'll come in, when I'm coming in from like that cold pool in the morning, I'll, like, gather some plants.

[1335] And I throw those in a blender with, like, some fats, like coconut milk or coconut oil.

[1336] I'll do like some bone broth and some lemon because when you mix vitamin C with collagen, You make the collagen a lot more absorbable.

[1337] So I'll mix the vitamin C with bone broth.

[1338] I'll put that into the blender.

[1339] A whole bunch of superfoods.

[1340] I'll blend it for like two minutes.

[1341] Because if you blend it for a long time, it gets like a texture like a Wendy's Frosty.

[1342] So it's like and you can like eat it with with, you know, one of those long, you've had a Wendy's Frost.

[1343] Sure.

[1344] You look confused.

[1345] No, no, no. When I said Wendy's fraud, I'm like, it's strange that it.

[1346] What kind of horrible life have you led?

[1347] What is your parents do to you never had a Wendy's Frosty?

[1348] So it gets like this Wendy's Frosty like consistency.

[1349] It's just a bunch of wild plants.

[1350] and fats and I put like that stevia in there I put a little bit of cacao in there uh sometimes it'll do like a little bit of way protein protein like a good like grass fed way or some kind of protein source and then I put like uh uh the crunchy things in so I put it all in a bowl with a spatula crunchy yeah like coconut flakes and cacao nibs and uh like I use like these little spirulina and clorella tablets and so it's like eating a it's like when you go to a yogurt store and you get the yogurt and you get the toppings on top of it but it's like this amazing ketogenic superfood rich meal and by blending it all together and blending the fats with all the all the ingredients you're actually enhancing the absorption and so so that's what I have for breakfast dude you shoot up in a cafe that sounds good I'm trying well I'm trying to like I'm trying to make it into like a like a drinkable a drinkable form something is the same thing that um yeah I'm going over to see Rick Rubin after this over in Malibu and he does the same thing for breakfast and that's actually one of the things we're talking about over there's how we can make this no so random like we we go sauna together over there in Malibu and we were uh we both do the same thing like his is his his is a little bit different like he put some different things in it the same thing and it's an amazing breakfast because you can sit there and like I do a lot of dictation on my computer so I'll sit there and I'll dictate emails but while I'm eating my my smoothie with a spoon.

[1351] That's amazing.

[1352] And then I do a salad for breakfast or for lunch, a big ass salad.

[1353] Again, a whole bunch of wild plants.

[1354] And I'll put like sardines, seeds, nuts, you know, just good, good fats on there.

[1355] And then I have like these noi wraps, right, which is like a seaweed wrapped, really good in iodine, really nutrient dense.

[1356] And then I use miracle noodles.

[1357] Have you had miracle noodles?

[1358] No. So they're made out of Japanese yam.

[1359] They call them Shirataki noodles.

[1360] And so my kids make pad tie out of this.

[1361] They have like a cooking pod.

[1362] where they do all these crazy, crazy meals.

[1363] And one of the things they use a lot of are these shirotaki noodles.

[1364] So I make these Japanese yam noodles.

[1365] I put them on top of the salad.

[1366] And then I roll all that up in like a nori burrito wrap, and I eat that, like a burrito for lunch.

[1367] And then dinner, like I mentioned, is just, you know, whatever my wife happens, because dinner is like my free meal, right?

[1368] It's just whatever I want to have.

[1369] But for this study, for Jeff Volick's lab, it's 12 months, strict ketosis.

[1370] And they brought us into the lab.

[1371] It had me and the group of ketogenic athletes and also the whole group of Endurance athletes following a traditional carbohydrate -rich diet, do a V -O -2 max test the night that we got there.

[1372] And then the next morning, they punched a bunch of holes in our thighs with needles and did a biopsy of the muscle to see how much glycogen was in the muscle.

[1373] And then with these big holes in our muscles, we had to go run on a treadmill for three hours.

[1374] So I ran 22 miles on this treadmill.

[1375] So when you're saying punch a hole, like a 10 -2?

[1376] They wanted to see how much glycogen.

[1377] It's like a muscle biopsy.

[1378] It's like a little guillotine.

[1379] That's a big meal.

[1380] Yeah.

[1381] hard, especially when you go pound on the treadmill after you've had these needle biopsies and then they did fat biopsy because they wanted to look at fat content up on either side of the hips.

[1382] And then I ran for three hours on this treadmill and it was horrible.

[1383] There was like no TV.

[1384] There's no, no kids.

[1385] Three hours.

[1386] It was a white wall on the treadmill.

[1387] And I was hooked up to like a, you know, like a blood collection device because they want to see what was happening with the bloods.

[1388] A walkman.

[1389] What am I in the 90s?

[1390] Yeah, I had a walkman and I had my roll.

[1391] I didn't even come out of my mouth.

[1392] I had my aerobic socks on.

[1393] Like Jane Fonda.

[1394] Back in the day.

[1395] Exactly.

[1396] And my running for three hours staring at the wall?

[1397] Just run for three hours.

[1398] That's got to be the worst part of it.

[1399] It's horrible.

[1400] Yeah.

[1401] I didn't know going in.

[1402] I walked in the room and I'm like, oh, shit.

[1403] Because I would have brought, you know, like something to watch.

[1404] But I ran, and they were testing fat oxidation rates at rest and at exercise.

[1405] So I'm wearing this mask.

[1406] It does what's called indirect calerometry where based on the carbon dioxide that you breathe out.

[1407] the oxygen that you consume, it approximates your carbohydrate and your fat burning rate.

[1408] It's kind of like the gold standard of metabolic testing and laboratory testing situations, like in an exercise physiology lab.

[1409] And so you're testing how much fat you're burning during exercise, how much carbohydrate you're burning during exercise, something called your respiratory exchange ratio is what it's called.

[1410] And the prevailing research in the literature suggests that you can burn about 1 .0 grams of fat per minute during exercise.

[1411] like that would be about how much fat you would burn 1 .0 grams of fat per minute when they tested this is called the faster study f a S -A -S -T -E -R they found that the folks who followed a high -fat diet like me and these other people who were eating high -fat diet we were burning 1 .5 to 1 .7 grams of fat per minute during exercise during this three -hour treadmill run we had no deficit in performance our V -O -2 maxes were just as high and we maintained our levels of muscle glycogen and so basically there was no we didn't go any faster I'm not saying like ketogenic diet is going to make you better at endurance sports because I've never seen any evidence that's going to happen.

[1412] But we did go just as fast, and we actually burned, we turned our bodies into fat -burning machines over the course of 12 months.

[1413] It was actually a really cool study.

[1414] So the benefits would not be necessarily performance, but the benefits are more health -wise.

[1415] The benefits would be, yeah, it's like, you know, a lot of people, like they get gut rot and fermentation from eating a lot of fermentable carbohydrates.

[1416] Some people get small intestine bacterial overgrowth.

[1417] some people get blood glucose fluctuations you see a drop in what's called the first phase insulin response like normally you're supposed to produce a lot of insulin when you eat a meal or at least enough to be able to shove that substrate into storage tissue and normally you'd be able to produce this and by getting a lot of glycemic variability during the day you eventually produce insulin insensitivity right like you don't have that normal first phase insulin response and you can you can restore you can use things like bitters and chew your food a lot and you know strength trained before you eat a carbohydrate, rich meal, you know, things like that.

[1418] But ultimately, yeah, it's more of like a health and longevity thing.

[1419] It's not like eating low carbohydrate makes you faster.

[1420] It's just that you avoid a lot of the potential issues, the potential health issues, that would come with a large amount of glucose fluctuations.

[1421] But there's exceptions to that rule, right?

[1422] Like you could go get your genetics tested and you might find out you have, let's say, familial hyperchosteremia, right?

[1423] In which case, if you eat, like, a ketotic diet, you'll produce a lot of, like, oxidized, and you'll see people with cholesterol, like, 400, 500, and really high L .P. Little A and all these issues with a high amount of fat consumption because their bodies are unable to deal with that amount of cholesterol.

[1424] That's a big point.

[1425] That's a big point.

[1426] Customizing.

[1427] Can't stress that enough is that human beings vary, so widely.

[1428] A huge, huge amount.

[1429] There's a great book that Brian Callant turned me on to that I'm reading right now called Sapiens.

[1430] So the origins of human beings, it's completely fascinating.

[1431] There's another book called Biochemical Individuality.

[1432] It's like an old book, but I was looking through it's fascinating.

[1433] Like there's like 12 different shapes of the stomach and like seven different ways that the heart is shaped.

[1434] And certain people will excrete copious amounts of vitamin D and need a lot more vitamin D intake.

[1435] And other people develop vitamin D toxicity in response like the 2000 or 4 ,000 international units that a lot of people are popping these days.

[1436] certain people develop high cholesterol and high triglycerides and high inflammation in response to a ketogenic diet.

[1437] And some people don't.

[1438] And so, like, we live in an era where it's, like, it's cheap to get your genes tested.

[1439] And it's only going to get cheaper.

[1440] Well, it's also, there's, you would have to really find a good expert that really understands what the difference in the genetic variabilities are.

[1441] Yeah, I mean, like.

[1442] Otherwise, you're just testing, like, you're trying a ketogenic diet, testing out your blood work and trying to figure it out.

[1443] It's very complicated for the lay person.

[1444] It is, but I mean, like, in very simplistic terms, I've told some people this, right?

[1445] You could at least test your genetics, and there's actually a really good book about this called The Jungle Effect by Dr. Daphne Miller, and she goes into how, like, she'll put, like, her Hispanic clients on, like, a traditional Mexican diet comprised of, like, you know, soaked and sprouted legumes and low glycemic index, you know, tortillas and non -GMO corn, and take them back to.

[1446] to what their ancestors would have eaten.

[1447] Like, she'll literally take, like, what the Taramahara Indian tribe is eating in South America and put her Hispanic clients on that.

[1448] Or she'll put, like, her African -American clients on a fiber -rich, fermented, like, Cambodian diet.

[1449] Right.

[1450] And you could easily do, like, it's not rocket science, right?

[1451] You go get your genetics tested.

[1452] You see where your ancestors came from and you try to approximate.

[1453] Right.

[1454] And obviously, we're a genetic melting pot in America, and there's going to be some people who are just like, oh, crap, I came from, I come from Japan.

[1455] and Europe and Ethiopia, you know, like there's some people who come from all over the place, in which case you would have to take a deeper dive, right?

[1456] You can get blood work.

[1457] You can get, what I tell people is get your genes tested, like a comprehensive blood analysis, get your gut tested, right?

[1458] So you could look at your bacterial balance, presence of parasites, yeast, fungus, all those kind of little things that affect gut health and personality and everything else at the microbiome effects.

[1459] And then like a urine test for hormones, which is more accurate.

[1460] a blood test.

[1461] And that's a lot of testing.

[1462] But I mean, if you really, really truly want to dial things in, it's genetic testing, it's blood testing, urinary testing for hormones.

[1463] There's a test called the Dutch test.

[1464] It tests like your testosterone all throughout the day, the metabolites of testosterone and your cortisol all throughout the day, the metabolites of cortisol.

[1465] So you could actually see like, you know, do I really have high cortisol or am I just not breaking it down quickly enough, for example?

[1466] I just wish there was a place he could go that was very comprehensive that the average person could go to where they could do all this stuff for you and break it down for you it seems like there's more and more of a market of that every day it's the huge actually there is a place like it's like the human there's you know some of these guys who are like trying to live forever like uh i think one of them is is peter d amandes uh Craig venter i think is another guy where are these like the human human longevity institute i think it's called yeah like some of these some of these rich dudes right like a lot of these billionaires They're going to those places and getting, like, the comprehensive blood testing done.

[1467] I do a lot of that myself just by ordering it, you know, from, like, direct labs or these.

[1468] Well, you have a deep understanding and knowledge of all this stuff.

[1469] It's different than the average person.

[1470] Yeah, plus I'm injecting stem cells into my...

[1471] But I think for the average person that's listening to this, it's a little confusing and maybe a little frustrating because it would be nice if there was a place you'd go that's like the dentist.

[1472] You know, you go to the dentist.

[1473] Hey, Bob, you've got a cavity.

[1474] Right.

[1475] It's all pretty straight.

[1476] Exactly.

[1477] And that will, there's companies working on that right now, like an actual dashboard where you get a home test kit done.

[1478] And they're like, there are actually like micro needles now that you can attach to the skin that you patch it on yourself.

[1479] You send off a tiny, tiny amount of blood and you get a host of blood values back.

[1480] And then you would be able to see like what you have deficits in.

[1481] And I could totally see them pairing that with like food delivery companies or like, you know, even just like printouts.

[1482] So like here's your protein carb fat ratio.

[1483] Right, right.

[1484] So it'll happen.

[1485] Now, when you were on the strict ketogenic diet for 12 months, what was your diet?

[1486] Like, what did you basically eat?

[1487] No Italian.

[1488] Is that the first thing you ate when you got off?

[1489] It's order a pizza and have some spaghetti?

[1490] I remember what I ate.

[1491] It was like my bodybuilding days where, like, you go weigh in, like, in the morning before the show, and then the rest of the day you eat, like, freaking ice cream and bread, and you look like just like an Olympic god when you get up on stage because everything's popping, right?

[1492] Like all that glycogen gets restored after about eight.

[1493] hours.

[1494] How does that work?

[1495] I remember my first meal is.

[1496] Well, when you don't eat many carbohydrates, you upregulate levels with something called glycogen synthase, which is an enzyme responsible for helping to get glycogen into muscle tissue.

[1497] So this would be a process that you would do before a show?

[1498] Glycogen depletion, followed by glycogen restoration, causes this big surge in glycogen.

[1499] Plus, going into a show, you're restricting carbohydrates anyways because it's hard to get very, very low body fat.

[1500] But that's why you see bodybuilders eating frickin' like chicken and broccoli.

[1501] Right.

[1502] So the same thing is something I did when I did triathlon, right?

[1503] You'll like carbohydrate deplete the weekend before a race.

[1504] And then I used to do this.

[1505] You'd eat like no carbohydrates on Saturday and Sunday for a race that follows the next Sunday.

[1506] And then Monday, you'd start to eat more carbohydrates, Tuesday even more.

[1507] And by like Saturday before the race, you're eating like 90 % carbohydrate.

[1508] This is what I did before I kind of train my body to like ketosis and function.

[1509] while on a low -carb diet, but you're just, I mean, you're jacked up, chock full of glycogen because you upregulate that enzyme.

[1510] It's called, what's it called carbohydrate?

[1511] It's just basically carbohydrate depletion, carbohydrate loading.

[1512] Now, was there any benefit of that performance -wise versus what you're doing now?

[1513] There's not necessarily a benefit in that you go faster.

[1514] if you've trained your body, how to operate well on a low carbohydrate diet.

[1515] I've never, like I said, seen any evidence that, like, a low carbohydrate ketogenic diet makes you go faster than if you're eating, like, a regular, like, carbohydrate -rich diet.

[1516] But I also haven't seen that if you do like I did and follow it strict for a long time, there's not a lot of evidence that makes you go slower either.

[1517] So it's kind of like, it's like even keto.

[1518] Right.

[1519] So it's just a health, longevity benefit.

[1520] It's more of like, hey, if I can.

[1521] and live a longer time and feel better and produce less reactive oxygen species by doing this versus the high carbohydrate intake, then why not do it?

[1522] And I mean, when you look at like the Nike project and how they were trying to break the marathon record in Italy, they were using like these crazy engineered forms of carbohydrate where they went way above like these multidextrin fructose blends that a lot of companies like Gatorade use, and they were using these super engineered carbs.

[1523] And it's possible that some of these newer carbohydrates that are engineered for extremely high absorption could beat out.

[1524] Like if we were to study those in like a high fat, low carb athlete who'd followed that diet for a long period of time versus like a traditionally fueled athlete who is eating these newfangled engineered carbohydrates.

[1525] It's possible to newfangled engineered carbohydrates could make you go faster.

[1526] But unless your paycheck is on the line and you're a pro, I still say, you know, why not get that balance between health and longevity and speed.

[1527] My thyroid, though, did not like that high fat ketogenic diet.

[1528] thyroid didn't like it paired with high levels of physical activity my testosterone went down like there were some issues that's fascinating because usually you hear the opposite people with thyroid disease they recommend a ketogenic diet to those people yeah but look at it this way and i explain this to to a lot of athletes who i work with who want to do the ketogenic diet thing you read a you know you read a book like uh you know there's some fantastic ketogenic diets out there that are plant rich which a lot of ketogenic diets aren't right like you there'll be like coconut oil and butter and And that actually creates a lot of gastric inflammation in the absence of, like, you know, high amount of polyphenols and flavonoids and high fiber and plant.

[1529] Like, you want both.

[1530] I wrote an article about this called the Dark Side of Coconut Oil that gets into the fact that if you're going to do, like, a high, fat, low carb, ketogenic type of diet, you would want to include a lot of plants.

[1531] And like Dr. Terry Wallis has a book called The Walls Protocol.

[1532] That's got a plant -rich ketogenic version in it.

[1533] Stephen Gundry has his book, The Plant Paradox.

[1534] And he has like a ketogenic version in that book that's like very plant.

[1535] rich.

[1536] So if you're eating like a plant -rich ketogenic diet and you're following what a lot of these people have written, you'd generally be advised to eat like 30 to 50 grams of carbohydrates per day, which is fine.

[1537] If you have thyroid disease or you have some other issue, you know, pre -diabetes, whatever, and you're trying to control it with a ketogenic diet.

[1538] But then once you throw copious amounts of physical activity into the mix, right, you're a cross -fitter, you're an Ironman triathlete and you go read the one of these books and you read it supposed to be 50 grams of carbohydrates.

[1539] well, you know, the authors of those books, to my knowledge, are not out racing Ironman trathlons and, you know, doing marathons and copious amounts of physical activity.

[1540] So you have to up the carbohydrate intake.

[1541] So it's all about, you know, so for me personally, I'll like 100 to 200 grams of carbohydrates.

[1542] And still maintain ketosis.

[1543] And so you, again, you have your cake and eat it too.

[1544] That's a radical physical output, though, you're talking about.

[1545] Exactly.

[1546] Exactly.

[1547] So if you have like a thyroid issue and you're highly active and you want to follow a ketogenic diet, then you need to include more carbohydrate than would be recommended in, let's say, like, a more sedentary type of ketogenic diet.

[1548] Well, that makes sense because you're always reading these diets based on just the average person, and the average person is just not going to put out that kind of album.

[1549] And you want to include a lot of the things that you tend to build up deficits in, like potassium and magnesium are two biggies.

[1550] And you dump a lot of glycogen, and glycogen stores a bunch of water and it stores a bunch of electrolytes.

[1551] So you have to figure out how to replace that.

[1552] And now people are using, you know, these exogenous ketones, like the ketone salts or the ketone esters.

[1553] And the danger with those is now you can, like, get into ketosis but still also have high blood glucose.

[1554] And that's something that we haven't really studied.

[1555] Like, that's not like our ancestors out hunting, right?

[1556] It's not like they were in ketosis because they were burning a lot of their own body fat and generating ketones as a byproduct.

[1557] and they were in just like a natural stay because they weren't eating a lot of food sometimes just not stuffing their face with carbohydrates and glucose, but now people are able to eat a normal Western diet and then like buy one of these ketone supplements and also be in ketosis.

[1558] So you're hyperglycemic and hyper ketotic.

[1559] And I've rate, like I did that before a race and I felt like I was on steroids.

[1560] Like it was like rocket fuel because my blood glucose was jacked through the roof.

[1561] But so I did a bunch of like fructose multidotone, extrain energy -based gels, and then I drank a bottle of these ketone esters, which basically, I mean, they have, if you measure your ketones, you'll know that this is high, but within 10 minutes, my values were above 7 millimolar, which is just off the charts for ketones.

[1562] But my blood glucose was also off the charts, and I felt like my cells had like both forms of fuel they'd ever need, both ketones and glucose.

[1563] And I felt amazing, but all bet, I mean, that's similar like diabetic ketoacidosis.

[1564] Like if you're in that state all the time and you're using all these.

[1565] ketone supplements and just eating your diet and using these because you're quote in ketosis unquote I don't think it's healthy I wonder if it would be great though performance wise like for a fight it's amazing it's amazing you feel unstoppable I would think that I wonder if athletes have tried that and as long as you use that it's like it's like it's like it's like you use it as a you know it's like it hurts somebody say it's like sugar is a sometimes drug right because it does like you can feel and it can give you especially if you're if you're not fat adapted I mean carbohydrates give you a pretty big boost in performance and energy versus not having them on board when you're exercising and especially when you're exercising hard and this would be like that right if you were to use that as a sometimes drug and be careful with it um i could see that being a huge like what kind of a bump were you getting um i didn't quantify it if you try to get it was it was a tough mutter in vegas and all i know is i felt way way more like like i had the cognitive high that you get from ketones, which was the original reason that I started doing, like I started doing this ketosis thing, like seven years ago when I was getting ready to race Iron Man Canada, and I wanted to see what it would feel like to have those readily available fuel sources for the liver and the diaphragm and the heart and kind of the focus that comes with high levels of ketones when you're on a bike for five hours.

[1566] And I had that when I took these exogenous ketones, but then I also had all the energy that you get when you, you know, like after you've had like a candy bar, right?

[1567] So yeah, your high blood sugar and high blood ketones.

[1568] So you just feel focused, but you also have high levels of energy.

[1569] That sounds amazing.

[1570] That's scary.

[1571] I hope it's good for you.

[1572] Just like the stem cells in the dick, right?

[1573] Like, it's amazing.

[1574] I hope it's good.

[1575] I hope I don't die.

[1576] That sounds like, though, if you were doing a big event and if you didn't do it up to the...

[1577] I like what you're doing in terms of diet -wise, it seems like it makes sense.

[1578] They've got a really good balance.

[1579] But for a big event, that sounds like it would be a really good thing to do.

[1580] Load up on carbohydrates, load up on the ketone esters.

[1581] Right.

[1582] Exactly.

[1583] That's Yeah, ketone esters are expensive.

[1584] Like a lot of these ketone salts.

[1585] The thing I like about the ketone salts, too, is, you know, I haven't seen a lot of research that the ketonesers are necessarily that much better.

[1586] In the ketone salts, you get electrolytes with them, too.

[1587] And that's one of the things that you get depleted on on, like, a ketogenic diet.

[1588] Do you know what brand you're using for your ketone supplements?

[1589] Dude, I told you, I'm like, as a blogger, I get these packages sent to my house every day.

[1590] Just like, you probably get the same thing.

[1591] It's like cardboard boxes.

[1592] We have boxes of shit back there.

[1593] And, like, the occasional little paper bag of something that somebody made in their kitchen that they sent to you.

[1594] Yeah, that's, that's, that's.

[1595] Somebody gave me, somebody gave me when I was, this was, where was, I think it was in Asheville, doing a race in Asheville.

[1596] Of course, North Carolina.

[1597] People don't know about Asheville.

[1598] Fricing great food in Asheville.

[1599] Asheville is a crazy little spot.

[1600] One of my clients took me to this place called Karate.

[1601] It's like a charcuttairee, like a fine charcuteret restaurant.

[1602] Amazing meat.

[1603] Asheville's amazing.

[1604] Apparently like President Obama's like favorite restaurant was in Asheville and he'd go there and like you go up and down the street.

[1605] and just, I went there during the yoga festival, and there's like people sitting up in trees playing banjos and like, it's crazy.

[1606] It's amazing.

[1607] I definitely want to go back there.

[1608] Yeah, the International Yoga Festival in Asheville.

[1609] But the, um...

[1610] Shout out to Asheville.

[1611] Yeah, shout out to Asheville, baby.

[1612] Hashtag Ashville.

[1613] Somebody gave me, like, wine that they infused with cannabis.

[1614] Like, like, this big bottle of, like, cannabis infused wine, but it was like one of those old school, like, kombucha bottles, like the glass.

[1615] And you're just like, I don't know where this has been sitting.

[1616] I don't know what's in here.

[1617] Nope.

[1618] It was a cool idea, but no offense to whoever gave me that, but I didn't actually consume that.

[1619] But the ketone salts and the ketone esters, honestly, dude, I've tried, like, all of them, you know, keygenics and keto, I forget how they're all keto something.

[1620] My friend Duncan went to school in Asheville, and he said that they started giving the cows a certain diet to kill the psilocybin mushrooms that grow in their shit because too many kids were climbing, and plucking mushrooms out of the cow shit.

[1621] You ever do that?

[1622] You ever do like the psilocybin microdosing thing that people are doing for cognition?

[1623] I have psilocybin microdosed.

[1624] I've taken, and it gives you a nice feeling.

[1625] I like it.

[1626] It gives you, I have a friend who is a world champion kickboxer who microdoses every day.

[1627] And he says it makes him almost telepathic.

[1628] He says it makes his response time to sparring.

[1629] He said he sees things before they happen.

[1630] Your sensory perception, especially in nature.

[1631] settings, right?

[1632] Like, there's this, there's like the synthetic chemical LSD, or PLSD is like the one a lot of people are using now because you get it for a lot less expensive and it has the same effect as LSD.

[1633] It's just, it's a lot cheaper.

[1634] You know, you know, like these websites where you use cryptocurrency to purchase the compound.

[1635] But the FBI's out of it to you.

[1636] Yeah, exactly.

[1637] Yeah.

[1638] Dun dun dun dun dun dun.

[1639] It's very synthetic and there's like a merging of the left and right hemispheres of the brain and you get very creative and focused simultaneously.

[1640] What doses are you?

[1641] For LSD, you want to volumetrically dose, which means like if you get a blotter of LSD, it's like 100 micrograms on like a square, and a lot of people will cut that into like 10 pieces, so that one piece would be 10 micrograms, but you don't know if that piece has like 20 or five on it, right?

[1642] So you take 100, 100 microgram tab, and you put that in like a little, like a like a, like a glass dropper bottle.

[1643] And then you would add like 10 milliliters of Everclear or vodka or some kind of alcohol to it.

[1644] And then you know that for every one milliliter of alcohol in that little dropper bottle that you consume, you're getting exactly 10 micrograms of LSD.

[1645] And about 10 to 20 micrograms, like one to two dropper bottles full, that would be considered a microdose for most people but you don't like returning to psilocybin psilocybin produces like this sensory perception very natural feeling uh improvement in your in your cognition and your senses that that it just feels more natural right it's like you you take it before you go on a on a hike or you would take it when you're like a very very natural like a nature setting like you know for for something like you know day at the office like it seems like LSD is like a more natural choice But psilocybin is really interesting for, like, you know, nature -based setting, hiking.

[1646] Well, the thing about it is you feel like you're getting readings from trees and plants.

[1647] Yeah.

[1648] You get a weird feeling from them that you don't normally get.

[1649] Like, oh, now I'm tuned into whatever frequency you guys are operating on.

[1650] And they feel alive.

[1651] Yeah.

[1652] Whereas trees just feel like trees normally.

[1653] I walk by, like, they look beautiful, but I don't feel them in the same sense.

[1654] Right, exactly.

[1655] And, I mean, you don't want to make yourself dependent on finding a tree beautiful by whether or not, You have psilocybin in your bloodstream.

[1656] It's like it's communicating with you.

[1657] Do you know what I'm saying?

[1658] It's like you feel like they're giving you information.

[1659] You save it for those settings when you want nature to be really special.

[1660] Yeah.

[1661] Because my wife gives me a hard time.

[1662] Sometimes she's like, you know, why do you got to take psilocybin before you've got to go on a hike?

[1663] Like, why don't you just go on a hike?

[1664] And I tell you know, sometimes it's more interesting.

[1665] Sometimes you see things you wouldn't normally otherwise see.

[1666] So, you know, I go to bed and I've got like my binaural beats and my sleep mask.

[1667] And, you know, I've got like that little grounding, earthing device under.

[1668] my body and my chili pad and uh you know blue light blocking glasses and and you know i get in bed with all these wires sticking up out of my head my wife just gets in bed and just like sleeps she's got nothing on her side so we're very yin and yang yeah well you're so involved like everything you're doing you're very involved does it ever feel overwhelming that you have all this stuff i mean obviously it's what you no because you you systematize it right like when i walk into my office it's not like I'm spending 20 minutes, like turning on the juve light and putting on the essential oil diffuser.

[1669] And, you know, I've got like this device that creates, like, special water that you breathe.

[1670] Well, you know, humidifies the water that you breathe while you're working.

[1671] And I've got like, you know, blue light generating devices on the ceiling and all this stuff in my office.

[1672] But when I walk in there, it's just like click, click, click, and I go to work.

[1673] Right.

[1674] With the thing on my head or whatever.

[1675] So once you systematize it, it's not exhausting.

[1676] It's not like you're doing a lot to actually improve your body or, you know, let's say biohack your body while you're at work doing.

[1677] A lot of stuff just become systematized, right?

[1678] It's like putting on your pants in the morning.

[1679] That biohack word is about done.

[1680] I'm about done with that word.

[1681] The biohack word.

[1682] It gets, it's so beaten up that word.

[1683] Now, what I would consider to be biohacking is, you know, these dudes that, like, inject clorella into their eyes so that they could get night vision.

[1684] What?

[1685] You should pull that out.

[1686] Or, like, Kevin Warwick, like, he was like the original cyborg.

[1687] guy who got like a chip implanted underneath his skin or the people who will inject like magnets in their fingertips to be able to interact with devices so they would use the human body as what they call wetware and then install hardware and like to me that's a true biohacker for me to blend like curcumin with olive oil and bone broth and vitamin C in my smoothie that's not like a biohack that's just like just like making a meal right like it's like yeah yeah so i think it's overuse It's very, I think there are like true biohackers out there who have actually hacked their biology.

[1688] Well, injecting Chlorella into your eyes?

[1689] Yeah.

[1690] It seems super risky.

[1691] Actually, you know what?

[1692] I think it's chlorophyll, which is the green active component that you would find something like Chorella.

[1693] But his eyes are all black.

[1694] It's really weird.

[1695] You should pull it up, Jamie.

[1696] They're stuck black forever?

[1697] I'm assuming.

[1698] Oh, fucking Christ.

[1699] I mean, I don't think you could suck the chlorophyll back out, but he has night vision now.

[1700] What?

[1701] Or the guy who is goat man?

[1702] Did you hear about goat man?

[1703] No, hold on.

[1704] Let's one step at a time.

[1705] You're almost manic.

[1706] He's just like, I got another one.

[1707] I got another one.

[1708] Hold on.

[1709] So this guy has permanent black in his eyes and he can see like sort of like a deer, like nocturnal.

[1710] That guy.

[1711] Yeah.

[1712] That's him.

[1713] Jesus, motherfucker.

[1714] Making science more available to the public have been testing a concoction of chemicals that allows humans to see in the dark and it works.

[1715] That's a true biohap.

[1716] Like that's a correct use of the term.

[1717] Wally lacking, in my opinion.

[1718] This guy's out of his mind.

[1719] There's some other people.

[1720] And you can get like a, what's this on Nurtist?

[1721] Yeah, Nurtist .com.

[1722] There he goes.

[1723] Straight into the, I'm not going to do that.

[1724] I will stop at the stem cells into my dick.

[1725] I'm not going to do the things.

[1726] The speculum holding my eyes open was by far the worst part.

[1727] Even the effects themselves were very subtle.

[1728] It wasn't like, oh my God, I have predator vision.

[1729] Nothing like that.

[1730] You don't get superpowers.

[1731] This is a tweak, not an overhaul.

[1732] It's kind of disappointing that you go through all that for just the tweak.

[1733] Yeah, well, your whole fucking eyes are black.

[1734] If I'm going to do that shit, I want predator vision.

[1735] Yeah, yeah.

[1736] I want the full meal deal.

[1737] I want to be able to hunt animals in the darkness.

[1738] This guy's got hamsterized.

[1739] The chemical works by binding to opson proteins in your retina where it's excited by light.

[1740] Transformational process to occur in the protein segment.

[1741] See?

[1742] There you go.

[1743] Huh.

[1744] Yeah.

[1745] So you could get the blue light blocking glasses or you could just inject everything into your eyes.

[1746] Allowed him to pick up figures in the dark with 100 % accuracy where non -treated test subjects could only make out to about 30 % that's pretty significant well that would be really good and I like I like how the author doesn't know which percentage sign to use the actual percentage sign or the word percent right mixes it out they got to work out on their on their editing that's interesting you're a writer yeah I know 50 meters go back to that Jamie we're talking 50 meters over 160 feet apart oh wow that's actually really significant the following morning his eyes returned to normal oh all right where does I say that right there the eyes returned to normal parent side effects.

[1747] Oh, wow.

[1748] So he's not like that forever.

[1749] No, so they're not injecting.

[1750] They're dropping.

[1751] They're using drops.

[1752] So this would be like we're talking about bow hunting, about elk hunting, like when you're in sort of low light.

[1753] That might be the move.

[1754] You could pack your speculum into your bow case.

[1755] Just drop them in there.

[1756] Make sure that you have a hunting buddy who is well versed in the addition of chlorophyll.

[1757] Rubber gloves.

[1758] Into a speculum.

[1759] Yeah, bring the rubber gloves.

[1760] You've got all that stuff to fill dress anyways and just go to town on your eyes.

[1761] How did you get into bow hunting?

[1762] My buddy, Kent and Claremont, up in Washington State, he was running these train -to -hunt competitions, which are really bad at.

[1763] It's like off -of -course racing.

[1764] It's pretty awesome.

[1765] It's like off -o -course racing with a weapon.

[1766] Yeah.

[1767] And you could do it out here.

[1768] And, like, you could carry sandbags and do, like, cones and suicide sprints and all sorts of stuff with this techno hunt set up that you have.

[1769] But the train to hunt, like, the first competition that I did, you show up and it starts off with, like, a four - or five -hour traditional 3 -D shoot.

[1770] And for people who don't know what a 3D shoot is, it's a bunch of targets, you know, like Reinhard targets or whatever, that are set up in different locations.

[1771] Yeah, they look like animals.

[1772] They look like animals are going to be a fox or an elk or, you know, whatever, you know, a bedded animal or a standing animal.

[1773] And they're spread throughout this course that you're walking.

[1774] You can think of it almost like golfing, you know, for people who don't bow hunt.

[1775] And you'll, you know, one shot might just be like a simple 25 -yard shot at a fox where if you get, vitals you'll get five points and if you hit a body shot then it might be three points and if you miss it's zero and if you get like a wound it's actually a negative score right which it should be like it's like a net because if you wound an animal that's that's really much much worse than missing an animal right so some of the shots are pretty complex it might be you got to get off two shots in 10 seconds which is actually kind of hard to do you know two shots in 10 seconds and one animals at 20 and one animal's at 40, right?

[1776] Which is why I use like a three -pin side on my bow because you don't even have time to adjust the dial after you've taken one shot to the yardage for the second shot.

[1777] You might have a shot that's like run up this hill.

[1778] There is a target up there.

[1779] We won't tell you the distance, but you have 30 seconds to make it the 25 yards up that goalie, and then you're going to have a shot at the top and you've got to run up the goalie, sight and get your shot off in those 30 seconds right so so it's not like a traditional 3d shoot it's very active you know and some shots are are you draw lunging and then you stand and then you got to walk around the tree and then take your shot so it's actually pretty fun it's it's way different than just like standing out of the range shooting at targets and you get a certain score coming out of that right like you might have amassed x number of points or or lost x number of points and then you go into um they actually they they they this year they've kind of like changed it because a lot of people are like getting hurt and blowing out their knees with this next part but you do what's called like a meat pack which is a hundred pounds in your pack and it's a two to four mile course that you got a boogie across as fast as possible people were running right and the problem with it was people like when you pack out like you you're taking your time you're not running yeah you're not like racing your buddy but this and it was like the most painful thing I've really ever done in terms of like how high my heart rate got in the amount of lactic acid, like, just try to go two miles as fast as you can with 100 pounds in your pack.

[1780] Sounds very dangerous.

[1781] Not only you've got to spend, like, I would spend copious amounts of time just like making sure the pack was adjusted properly, and I'll put like the bubble wrap in the bottom of the pack so it moves the weight that you're using, which are typically sandbags, up to the center of the pack.

[1782] And I worked with this company called Kifaru that makes like these.

[1783] Yeah, I use their packs.

[1784] Yeah.

[1785] Aaron Schneider.

[1786] Shout out to Aaron.

[1787] Exactly.

[1788] And, you know, he did some Skype sessions with me where he taught me exactly.

[1789] because you don't set it up the way that you would if you're just going to pack out an animal.

[1790] You actually put it super duper tight up in the shoulder so it's not bouncing around and then you put the weight down in the hips so it works for running two miles really hard but it's super uncomfortable and it's not biomechanically favorable.

[1791] It sucks, but it's good for running.

[1792] Yeah, so they call that the meat pack.

[1793] Do you have to do it that way or is it just a matter of how much weight you have on your back?

[1794] Could you use one of those Atlas packs?

[1795] Have you seen those Atlas things from outdoorsmen?

[1796] it's essentially it's a pack frame with a traditional Olympic bolt on the end of it where you put the plates on it what are those things called the the end of a weight bar where the weight slide on them what would you call that the end of a weight bar or the weight slide you know like the end of a barbell yeah the end of a barbell yeah well they have one of those a post i guess you call a post yeah yeah they have one of those that's hanging out of the back see if you can find it it's called the atlas trainer jammy outdoorsman's dot com And it's a pack?

[1797] Yeah, it's a pack frame with, I hike with it on.

[1798] This is it.

[1799] Show me a picture.

[1800] It's pretty dope.

[1801] Whoa.

[1802] It's game changer.

[1803] I know, I know you're talking about.

[1804] They're not a sponsor, but they're good people.

[1805] You could use whatever you want.

[1806] As long as you have weight in it, you just have to figure out of, because everybody has to use a standard weight, so you have to use the sandbag that they issue to you and figure your way to use the sandbag.

[1807] You have to use the same object, so everybody's using a sandbag just so you don't come in with your own, you know, weight here.

[1808] But I was just saying if you did this.

[1809] that you have a 45 -pound plate that you painted a 45 -pound logo on.

[1810] Anyways, you do the meat pack, and you get a certain amount of time for that, and then you do the obstacle course, which is the real hoot, and which they still do, because they got rid of the meat pack.

[1811] But the obstacle course is like your...

[1812] They got rid of the meat pack.

[1813] Well, it's not, it doesn't make sense, right?

[1814] Like, they designed this whole competition to simulate hunting, to prepare a hunter to hunt, and to train a hunter to hunt properly, and it just flew in the face of everything that is hunting, which is, you know, jacked -up nervous system, you know, rushing through the woods with a giant pack.

[1815] You just, you don't pack out an animal like that.

[1816] Right.

[1817] And they'd have to figure out a way to put, like, a speed limiter on, like, oh, hey, you're not allowed to run.

[1818] Oh, that's stupid.

[1819] So how many guys got their legs blown out?

[1820] I don't know.

[1821] But people were getting hurt, and it just didn't make sense.

[1822] I'm jacked at my back, and, like, it's cool.

[1823] Like, I get it.

[1824] I kind of wish they still had it because I was good at that part, because, like, I'm an endurance athlete, and I'm kind of strong.

[1825] So for me, it worked out pretty well.

[1826] And then they have the obstacle course, which is like crawling under barbed wire, stand, shoot.

[1827] And then you're doing like sandbag over the shoulder, 20 reps, shoot, 30 burpees.

[1828] And for the obstacle course, you have a 50 -pound pack or a 40 -pound pack on your back.

[1829] They kind of adjust the pack weight based off which division that you're in.

[1830] But so you're using a smaller pack.

[1831] So I use the fire pack, again, they just had like a smaller pack.

[1832] Same thing.

[1833] You've got a sandbag.

[1834] It's a lighter sandbag.

[1835] So you're carrying that through the whole course, but you're stopping and shooting along the way.

[1836] So it's like you're learning how to, just imagine if you're like rushing up a hill and you got to the top of the hill and you got to calm your heart weight, calm your nervous system very quickly and get your shot off.

[1837] And granted, you're not necessarily going to be hauling a sandbag up that hill and doing a bunch of burpees, but it's kind of simulating that idea of shooting with your high right elevated.

[1838] And it's a hard course.

[1839] I mean, like there are like legitimate, you know, hardcore crossfitters and athletes that do this.

[1840] but it's a combination of being able to shoot well and being able to fitness.

[1841] Well, that's the interesting thing about bow hunting is that bow hunting really does require fitness.

[1842] Well, when I did that...

[1843] Especially high country.

[1844] Yeah, I was wearing this ring we were talking about when I did that hunt in Hawaii.

[1845] And I did like 46 miles over the course of five days, just like crawling and walking and hiking and sprinting.

[1846] I mean, that's why I like bow hunting.

[1847] It's a challenge.

[1848] And the train to hunt guy, Kenton, And he told me about these competitions and I was watching them and I'm like, I really want to try this.

[1849] Because at that point, I'd firearm hunted for two years.

[1850] I didn't grow up hunting.

[1851] I grew up, you know, homeschooled, playing chess and playing the violin, reading books and playing World of Warcraft.

[1852] Like, I was not like a hunter kid growing up.

[1853] And neither were my parents, right?

[1854] Like, we'd occasionally go fishing for trout.

[1855] That was about it in the stocked pond.

[1856] So hunting was new for me. I'd been hunting for two years, totally self -taught.

[1857] Like I feel dressed my first animal with the little, you know, YouTube video on the iPhone where I'm following along and I've got my knife and I'm watching the video because that's the way I'm being homeschooled, right?

[1858] Like I like to teach myself things.

[1859] I just grew up as a very independent learner.

[1860] So all of my hunting was soft -taught.

[1861] That's a great benefit.

[1862] Yeah.

[1863] There are drawbacks to being very resistant to learning from others or having mentors, I think, that you also don't play well with others, right?

[1864] Like I grew up as when I got to college, I was very poor, like the team activities.

[1865] You didn't, weren't socialized.

[1866] I was very good at creating, at leading, at thinking outside the box, at, you know, kind of being a lot more independent.

[1867] Well, that's fascinating because that's what homeschooling did for me. That's what you do.

[1868] It is what I wound up doing.

[1869] And also, I read a copious amount.

[1870] I wrote a copious amount.

[1871] And that's still what I do, because that's what I kind of grew up doing, homeschooled.

[1872] And it was really tennis that got me into fitness.

[1873] Like, I played tennis in college, and I got big into tennis.

[1874] tennis in high school and in Idaho where I was at the time there's a rule that homeschooled kids could play sports at the local public school so I played tennis and that really got me into sports and then I studied exercise physiology and in biomechanics in college and and here I am but this like going from being homeschooled to hanging out with public school kids really awkward like I because you're not you're not in class with them you're not at the prom you're not you're not doing any of the social things that they're doing but then you might show up at like you you know, tennis practice or whatever.

[1875] And same thing we get to college.

[1876] You're just not used to.

[1877] I mean, like, dude, I went off the deep end of college because I graduated when I was 15, and I didn't do like a gap here or anything, right?

[1878] Like, I just started college when I was 16, and I did not have good self -control around, you know, sex and alcohol and drugs and all these things that all of a sudden I was immersed in in college.

[1879] And no one was there to tell you no. Yeah, the way I raised my kids is they, for example, there are really no rules in our house, right?

[1880] they can try rum and scotch and whiskey and they can take a hit off the vape pan.

[1881] How old are they?

[1882] They're nine.

[1883] But they also have been educated about what that might do to their liver or to the gray matter in their brain.

[1884] Or we don't say no gluten.

[1885] I tell them, you know, gluten is going to affect your test stores, cores, creates neural inflammation, can create some gastric inflammation.

[1886] You get to choose when you go to the birthday party where they're going to have the gluten.

[1887] And sometimes it comes back to bite me because we'll go out to a restaurant and they'll bring the bread out to the restaurant.

[1888] And my boys will be like, no, no, we don't want the bread.

[1889] And I'm like, but I kind of wanted a little piece of bread here.

[1890] So I think that's a better way to raise a child, right?

[1891] You educate them about the consequences of their decision, and then you let them make the decision themselves.

[1892] You equip them rather than creating a bunch of forbidden fruit, which is the way that I was kind of raised, right?

[1893] So, yeah, it was a little tricky, the whole college thing.

[1894] But back to bow hunting, it was this train to hunting.

[1895] And Kenton came over to my house, and I asked him about kind of like the spearfishing.

[1896] like what's what's the bow what release do I get um what arrows do I get how'd I do do this I went to the my local bow shop I took some lessons in shooting um and then I my first hunt uh what was my first hunt aside from my property because I'm on 10 acres maybe a copious amount of white tail so I shot my first animal out there my first major hunt was high country Colorado we did like a horseback hunt with a guide there you know and that would you have got me hooked if this was uh this was elk came back after seven days with nothing that was my very first hunt so and then my first actual kill was i hunted access deer down in texas amazing amazing texas is crazy i was telling you they have like freaking zebras you can hunt down there believe me i know they have everything yeah yeah yeah they came back and meal guy and african animals and my wife bought us a sausage maker and me my boys made made axes deer sausage and the backstrap and it was amazing and now now they're little they're little like bone broth, like, made baked donuts out of breadfruit flour, and they used bone broth and colostrum, and they made, like, a cream cheese, ginger frosting, and a dark chocolate cacao frosting, and it actually tastes, like, real donuts.

[1897] What was this from a recipe?

[1898] Yeah, from a recipe, and they had, like, donut molds, and you bake them.

[1899] Bone broth, colostrum, donut recipe.

[1900] We made it up.

[1901] Oh, you made it up.

[1902] And they used breadfruit flour, or they did, they do pad Thai, but they used those shirotaki noodles I was talking about.

[1903] and they use organic roasted crickets, like instead of shrimp or chicken, and the crickets actually taste really good.

[1904] They're like nutty and salty.

[1905] Are they raising them?

[1906] I think the company, yeah, they're not raising the crickets.

[1907] They're not, I think it's called Aketa is the company that they get the crickets, and they're really good.

[1908] They, like, send you these little old bagged crickets, yeah.

[1909] This is a place I go to in Mexico.

[1910] Rizotto and, yeah, crickets are, they're actually really tasty.

[1911] Yeah, there's a place I go to Mexico, and they give them to you, like, it's a little appetizer they leave in your room.

[1912] When you go to this resort.

[1913] Really?

[1914] Yeah, it's like a fried cricket.

[1915] It's an appetizer.

[1916] It's like the resort you go to with the apples and the mango covered in the cellophane on the bed, but instead it's crickets.

[1917] Well, they have that too.

[1918] They have crickets too.

[1919] Wow.

[1920] And it's very tasty.

[1921] They're dark and they're somehow another cooked.

[1922] I don't know what they're seasons with.

[1923] Sustainable, mineral -rich source of protein.

[1924] Yeah.

[1925] I love it.

[1926] See, the thing about most people that are like they don't want animals to die, they don't usually give a shit about bugs.

[1927] Mm -hmm.

[1928] Yeah.

[1929] Not a lot of people find, like, a June bug super cute and cry when it gets killed.

[1930] Or a mosquito.

[1931] Vigas will slap mosquitoes, and they're on their arms.

[1932] Yeah, I read a study this morning, the gene -editing mosquitoes now.

[1933] Yeah.

[1934] They're using CRISPR technology to make the mosquitoes less likely to bite you.

[1935] I saw that.

[1936] Not crazy?

[1937] Yeah, it's very bizarre.

[1938] Yeah.

[1939] And if you, there was a little, cool, little anecdote from that study, too, where they found that mosquitoes actually have, like, uh, like they learn.

[1940] If you swat up the mosquito, it actually learns to avoid you.

[1941] and so if you normally I just like put some on my skin like cinnamon essential oil or something that drives a mosquito away does that work but yeah it does you want to you want to dilute it because it's like a very it's a burning oil but cinnamon works amazingly but if you ever tried it in like Alaska where they have like really aggressive mosquitoes try in Hawaii where there's a lot of mosquitoes it's different animal work from me you've been to Alaska no get out of the fucking car and they swarm you like a pack of Alaska doesn't seem like a place I would envision having these special snow.

[1942] No, they just don't live very long, so they're incredibly aggressive.

[1943] I mean, I'm telling you, it's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

[1944] We went salmon fishing there, me and my friend Ari, and we opened up the car door to get out.

[1945] And in the time it take to open the car door, a swarm of mosquitoes was inside of the car.

[1946] And I'm not exaggerating, several hundred mosquitoes.

[1947] Oh, my goodness.

[1948] Show that, there's that video that you pulled up once we were talking about this with the clouds of mosquitoes in Alaska.

[1949] It's fucking crazy.

[1950] That sounds like the grass, like when I grew up in Luceon, Idaho, and we would get these grasshopper infestations.

[1951] Like each year, they, yeah, locust.

[1952] And apparently they plant their eggs in the ground, and then, like, in the spring or the summer, they hatch.

[1953] Look at that.

[1954] Yeah.

[1955] That's mosquitoes in Alaska.

[1956] Wow.

[1957] Dude, I'm telling you, it's the craziest fucking thing.

[1958] Just like a bird getting eaten by mosquitoes.

[1959] Look at it.

[1960] Poor little birdie, getting jacked.

[1961] Oh, my goodness.

[1962] Dude, I'm telling you, I've never seen anything like it.

[1963] And we were covered with DDT and all that.

[1964] shit but yeah the the the the the the the the deat do you know about thermocels cancer sticks I do now I think I I've been using them because my my kids camp outside so yeah in the in the forest and I set one of those little thermicel things in front of their they're amazing yeah it's terrible we're getting jacked by mosquitoes yeah wow yeah is that why the firs like that I have no idea yeah the grasshoppers at our house in Lewston we would actually go sell them to pet stores like that's how we'd make money in the summer because there'd be so many of them.

[1965] Me and my brothers would walk around with cages, catch these grasshoppers and bring into pet stores.

[1966] We'll use them for, like, tarantulas and stuff like that.

[1967] And then this army guy who was in the military, came up to her house, and he showed us how they eat grasshoppers.

[1968] So we started eating grasshoppers, and we would like everything, like we'd microwave grasshoppers, just figure out every way to kill a grasshopper.

[1969] And the way that we got rid of them was we introduced praying mantis and chicken to our property.

[1970] Oh, chickens are motherfuckers, dude.

[1971] So we introduced a bunch of chickens, and then we have chickens at our property up in Spokane now, too.

[1972] I have chickens right for eggs, yeah.

[1973] Icelandic chickens.

[1974] They're very, very hearty in the winter.

[1975] And then the goats that we have are Nigerian Dorf goats.

[1976] Nigerian?

[1977] Nigerian Dorf goats.

[1978] They're very small goat and they produce a lot of milk for their actual size.

[1979] And they're very hardy in the winter.

[1980] And they're small and they're cute.

[1981] And we haven't milk them yet because they need to be, they have to be pregnant to produce the milk.

[1982] And we've had some issues with, like, the babies dying.

[1983] And, like, we're learning our goat game.

[1984] However, we did have to tie rubber bands around a bunch of their testicles recently to neuter some of the males.

[1985] Why don't you get them in front of that light machine?

[1986] We're trained the males to be pat goats.

[1987] Yeah, put them in front of light chains.

[1988] Oh, so you have to neuter them.

[1989] So you're killing their balls with rubber bands.

[1990] Right, exactly.

[1991] Yikes.

[1992] Yeah.

[1993] I've heard a dude through that.

[1994] Look at the little cute guys.

[1995] Oh, they're adorable.

[1996] Yeah, those are little Nigerian Dorf goats.

[1997] And we have, like, little tires.

[1998] Oh, look at them go.

[1999] They have little tires that they play on.

[2000] They're super cute.

[2001] My kids love them.

[2002] Jump it over each other.

[2003] They named them after.

[2004] candy bars like Eminem and caramel and Milky Way and Toffee.

[2005] And did you buy them just for pets, or did you buy them?

[2006] We bought them originally for milk because, you know, goat milk, it's very, you know, the protein is smaller.

[2007] It's very thermodynamically compatible with the human, but apparently the only one that's better is camel milk.

[2008] There was a company out of California that was sending me camel's milk to my house for a while, and apparently it's super duper healthy for you.

[2009] And it's, and the protein is smaller, more absorbable, and it's less hypoallergenic and friendly to your immune system.

[2010] Well, when my daughter was young, she could not digest actual cow milk.

[2011] It just really didn't agree with her.

[2012] But goat milk was fine.

[2013] It's one of the things we found.

[2014] And I started drinking goat milk.

[2015] I just feel like it just tastes better.

[2016] You know what I like is the colostrum?

[2017] You ever use colostrum?

[2018] Oh, Jamie, you're showing me. We're just like playing goat yoga?

[2019] Yeah.

[2020] People do yoga with goats.

[2021] They apparently find it relaxing.

[2022] I would get so baby.

[2023] I just not look relaxing.

[2024] You do it down dog and he got like a cloveman.

[2025] hoof on your cervical vertebrae it it's it's really popular man i think i would get a kick out of that it distract you a little bit this just like that's white people yeah this looks like something people who've never been on a farm would do they're like goats yoga yeah yeah exactly yeah they go out of starbucks with their at their frappuccino and they go sit with the goats exactly yeah yeah well you've got a great system out there though it sounds awesome it's a good setup wild animals out there you got a good setup and then I have an obstacle I built an obstacle course because I do all this obstacle course racing and you know what's cool is you can take all these little little bow targets and you set them up around the obstacle course so you like climb the rope and come down right and then you shoot your bow and then you move on like that you practice like standing still though and working on your form and doing that as well where you're not tired yeah exactly it's it's meditative I would like to have John Dudley sit down with you and go over this idea because Because you also trigger shoot.

[2026] You're not using surprise release.

[2027] I haven't.

[2028] I took one class at my bow shop on surprise release, and I like it, and I get it.

[2029] And frankly, I feel like there's a lot less strain in the shoulder when you pull back.

[2030] Because for a while, I was getting some of the shoulder, like some of the brachialis issues from pulling back.

[2031] Why would it be different?

[2032] You know how when you do a lap hold down, and if you grip thumbs off, use more of the lats, and if you grip thumbs on, you use more of the biceps.

[2033] and the forearm muscles.

[2034] I felt like it was similar to that.

[2035] I felt like with the surprise release, I was using more of my back and less of my forearm and biceps.

[2036] I don't know if there's something to that.

[2037] It doesn't make any sense because the draw is exactly the same way.

[2038] The only difference is the release.

[2039] Yeah, it felt a lot different.

[2040] The thing about archery is it's like martial arts in that if you learn the wrong way, it's very difficult to unlearn.

[2041] Like when I was teaching martial arts, it was way better to get someone who was open -minded, who had never had any martial arts experience versus someone who had many, many years in a shitty martial art because those people had these deeply ingrained pathways that were, whenever the shit would get weird or they would get uncomfortable or they'd get nervous, they would go back to their old technique.

[2042] Yeah, yeah, it makes sense.

[2043] Yeah, and with archery, it's very, there's also a series of instructionals that can show you about surprise releases that John Dudley's done put online.

[2044] And there's a guy named Joel Turner that has this whole dedicated thing to avoiding target panic in high pressure situations.

[2045] He's got a website.

[2046] It used to be called Iron Mine Hunting, but now he calls it Shot IQ.

[2047] I think it's an Iron Mine, the people to sell the captains of Crush hand grip strengtheners?

[2048] I think that's another company, but I love those guys.

[2049] I have a bunch of those.

[2050] I have those up 197 pounds.

[2051] I don't know, I think mine might be like 150s, but I have two things.

[2052] I travel with one of those.

[2053] You know, it was like those power lungs that you breathe in and out of to strengthen the expiratory and inspiratory muscles and the diaphragm.

[2054] And then a captains of crush.

[2055] And so if I'm on like a long road trip and I got to drive a long time, I go back and forth between the hand grip strengthener and then the lung strength.

[2056] I'll just like work out for like two hours while you're driving.

[2057] That's awesome.

[2058] Yeah, it's amazing.

[2059] You put on a good book and work the grip and work the lungs.

[2060] Yeah, I'm a big believer in those grip things.

[2061] I mean, it just makes your hands so much stronger.

[2062] And the captains of crush, I mean, they don't fuck around.

[2063] Those are really hard.

[2064] And you combine that with the apnea, so you pass out a few times.

[2065] It's a super safe, safe, safe way to drive.

[2066] Your hands are going numb.

[2067] You're just like, you got a sweat on, you're blue in the face.

[2068] You can't even grip the steering wheel because your grip's gone.

[2069] Well, dude, we're short on time here, but I feel like we could probably talk for about six days and you would never run out of things to talk about.

[2070] That's fun.

[2071] Yeah.

[2072] How often are you around here, man?

[2073] We've got to do this again.

[2074] Not that often.

[2075] Not that often?

[2076] Yeah, not that.

[2077] I avoid L .A. Do you?

[2078] I like it up in Spokane.

[2079] Oh, yeah.

[2080] But what I do is when I travel, like, batched out.

[2081] affair.

[2082] Like, I'm just, like, back to, like, I shot four documentaries yesterday and then, you know, talk the day before.

[2083] Like, I, I batch a lot of meetings and then I go home.

[2084] So I'll go, uh, I'll go out to Malibu tonight.

[2085] And then I'm going to go to, uh, uh, that, that human garage treatment on, uh, on the, the 31st and report a podcast.

[2086] Yeah, talk about that for a second, because I've been following those guys online, the human garage.

[2087] And it seems really fucking interesting.

[2088] It is.

[2089] Weird.

[2090] What do they do there?

[2091] It goes back and forth.

[2092] Like, I've had some people tell me, like, that it's like cultish, right, that, because, because you go in there and you got to be like a member of their tribe and and they but I have what do you mean I've never experienced anything like that and I I'm not quite sure what people mean when they say that that's also you you have a big profile you're a famous fitness guy it might be they let you slide I don't I don't know but I enjoy it they like fill you full of like high dose curcumin before you go in so your muscles just like melt and then they have like four massage therapists working on you at the same time and they taught me this how like if one's like rubbing your head in a clockwise direction but the other guy's mashing on your adductor with their elbow you don't feel the mashing on the adductor as much because like the movement on your head is distracting you from that and then somebody else is working on your leg and they have like all these essential oils that they fill the air with they like special oils that that cause you to relax and be a little bit more open to the deep tissue work and everybody there like goes through a special train I mean I liked it so much I actually I flew one their guys up to my house to work on me at my house they're doing it right here that's me what is that that's it is that there yeah that's there that's there that's there yeah exactly that's about that's gary and he he like put on the first time i was there he was like working on my back and he worked on my back by putting on a rubber glove and um yeah like where you're going i actually have had that intra intra intra butt massage okay they work on they no they work on your on your pelvic floor it's pelvic floor therapy inside your that gets tight just like anything else so they go through your asshole to get to there.

[2093] That sounds like something that a pervert would tell you.

[2094] There's a lot of times when I went from you do this.

[2095] No, I had a girl down in Kauai to do it.

[2096] I was a Gabby Reese's trainer.

[2097] Like she actually, she does like dry needling and intra -butt therapy.

[2098] Get that rubber glove on there.

[2099] Yeah.

[2100] And she also, she had me buy like this glass tool so I could do it myself.

[2101] So I do this.

[2102] I go in through my butt and I do massage.

[2103] It sounds weird, but it actually works.

[2104] Why don't they make it out of metal?

[2105] That shit gets tight.

[2106] Just like, because glass is smooth.

[2107] I don't know.

[2108] Hey, polish the metal.

[2109] The fuck, putting glass in your asshole.

[2110] Have you ever seen one of those faces of death videos?

[2111] Isn't that?

[2112] Like, what are those?

[2113] My roommates in college used to rent those.

[2114] It seems like that would be a way someone would die.

[2115] No. There's a video of a guy who stuck a bottle up his ass and then the bottle breaks.

[2116] It's one of those.

[2117] No, I stop at THC suppositories and actual proven deep tissue devices.

[2118] Yeah, glass rods.

[2119] Anyways, the human guards, they went in through my mouth to work on my back.

[2120] They're going through your mouth.

[2121] They're going through your mouth, like a big old rubber glove, and they're, like, working on the different areas.

[2122] You know how, like, if you work on, like, your infraspinatus or your Terry's minor in your shoulder, it can actually get rid of pain on the front of your shoulder.

[2123] Like, there are certain trigger points, yes.

[2124] Huh.

[2125] And it's very similar.

[2126] Like, there are certain trigger points on the head that refer to, like, the back or the soas.

[2127] It's really interesting, like, this whole idea behind, you know, fascia and trigger points.

[2128] And how, when you're working on one area, it actually affects another area.

[2129] Well, I got Rolfing done a few.

[2130] few times when I had some pretty bad back injuries.

[2131] And I found that to be pretty interesting.

[2132] Very painful.

[2133] Yeah.

[2134] I haven't had any Rolfing done.

[2135] I had it from a giant dude, too.

[2136] I've ever had, I've ever had Rolfing.

[2137] I use a lot of those vibrating foam rollers and vibrating deep tissue devices, though.

[2138] Yeah.

[2139] I'm a big fan of those.

[2140] But most of the time, you're not going somewhere to get deep tissue?

[2141] Yeah.

[2142] Most of the time, I do my own, and I just started to begin to have a massage there.

[2143] service come to my house once a week because I think like there there's a certain amount of relaxation that you get when somebody else is working on you and you're laying down on a table and I have like this this you've used like a biomat a biomat a biomat like produces a bunch of heat so I lay down on the biomat and I put on my Michael Tyrell beats and defuse essential oil and have her work on me for a couple of hours usually I'll have her come over after dinner like around you know 730 8 o 'clock and you know like after the family's kind of wrapped up and and she'll just work on me. at night and they go to bed.

[2144] It's amazing.

[2145] Listen, Ben, you're a fascinating, dude.

[2146] I'm glad we got a chance to talk.

[2147] Awesome, dude.

[2148] Just talk.

[2149] Chance to shoot.

[2150] Yeah, it's a lot of fun.

[2151] That's a sick techno hunt setup.

[2152] Yeah, it's a lot of fun, dude.

[2153] Thank you very much for doing this.

[2154] Appreciate it.

[2155] And people can find you on your website.

[2156] Wherever, just Google.

[2157] Instagram, Twitter, all that jazz.

[2158] All those places.

[2159] And Greenfield, ladies and gentlemen.

[2160] Later.