The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz XX
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[12] Welcome to the Big Suey, presented by Draft Kings.
[13] Why are you listening to this show?
[14] The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast.
[15] I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.
[16] In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging.
[17] I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there.
[18] That hasn't happened to you guys?
[19] I've done it.
[20] And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.
[21] I'm going to get Amino Hassan here in a little bit to discuss what I think is a fascinating change in sports media culture.
[22] Paul Pierce and Gilbert Arenas giving voice to something that offends an always classy and should offend and always classy Lu 'Al Dang.
[23] And what gets rewarded in the modern age because no one's going to listen to the always Classy Lu -Al -Dang show, Paul Pierce and Gilbert Arenas, are being rewarded for being the trolls that they are.
[24] But the thing that I wanted to talk to you guys about here, does anyone in the room remember why it is that Jerry Krause's widow was booed here recently?
[25] We've gotten a refresher course of the last 30 years of sports.
[26] Ultimate Winner Guy, who's not Tom Brady, Michael Jordan, ultimate winner guy, won so much.
[27] that the last 30 years have been dominated by him and the guy trying to succeed him in sports coverage.
[28] Do you guys remember why Jerry Krause's widow was booed, the specifics of it?
[29] Yeah, they showed Jerry Krause on the video board at a Bulls game and then cut to his wife right after he was up on the Jumbotron and so fans were booing.
[30] And it was a terrible look for everyone involved.
[31] Because he broke up the Bulls team, right?
[32] Well, not just, no, it's not just because he broke up the Bulls team, because that's part of it, of course.
[33] But the thing that sticks to Jerry Krause so much that his widow is booed after his death is that in breaking up the team, he spat organizations win championships.
[34] And Michael Jordan's like, nah, I win championships.
[35] LeBron and Pat Riley, now I win championships.
[36] Belichick and Brady, no, I win championships.
[37] And the reason I want to bring up organizations winning championships is because ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports, setting the table for all media coverage for the masses, is the organization.
[38] And they are telling you now, loudly, that all of the parts are disposable around the horn.
[39] an era is ending at ESPN 20 years of whatever it is you thought journalism was around the horn we gave so many voices where Pablo started where Mina started where Bomani started the era is ending Tony Realli over 20 years Eric Rydholm and the producers of pardon the interruption they made around the horn they made highly questionable this group of people outside of ESPN took in 20 years The credibility of newspapers and ended newspaper sports sections because they wanted, behind them in newsrooms, sports writers that said, Chicago Tribune, Denver Post, we're a global organization, we're a coast -to -coast organization, we do journalism.
[40] They killed the newspaper sports section.
[41] The New York Times was the only organization that sat out, hey, the columnists can't go give their opinions over there.
[42] We're not sharing our credibility with a news gathering outfit that doesn't have to be a news gathering outfit.
[43] What is getting rewarded in the modern age is Gilbert Arenas, is Paul Pierce, is Pat McAfee, is Shannon Sharp, is a new era of how some of this stuff is going to end up happening in the future.
[44] And I wanted to ask the group, when you hear reports from the New York Post that around the horn is ending, when I know what those shows were for some of you, I know that for some of you, highly questionable, was your after -school viewing.
[45] It sort of indoctrinated you in the earliest stages of whatever it is your sports fandom was into that's what sports television should or shouldn't be.
[46] The 90 -minute segment from 4 .30 to 6 p .m. before Sports Center.
[47] Sports Center used to be the biggest thing.
[48] And then PTI became the biggest thing.
[49] Part of the interruption is going to be the last thing standing there because those two old journalists will hang it up however they want to at the end because they've got relationships at the top of the food chain.
[50] But what I heard Shannon Sharp say the other day that I thought was so interesting.
[51] He's got a couple of popular shows.
[52] He works his ass off.
[53] He's super single.
[54] and just married to the work.
[55] He wants to compete in his 50s the way that he did as a Hall of Fame player.
[56] He goes in on Monday and Tuesdays to do first take, and this is what he said.
[57] I don't talk to any producers.
[58] I talked to four people at ESPN, and he named the four, one of them was Iger.
[59] Iger Pitaro, and he's like, you can't, because there are all sorts of reports coming out now that there's tension on first take, and he's like, none of that's coming for me because I don't talk to anybody.
[60] I go sit in a box, I put on my suit, I talk into a camera, I'm there two days a week, And I talked to four people, Patero, Iger, and two other, like, top -level executives.
[61] He does not get on any calls.
[62] Around the Horn was a bunch of journalists getting on calls all day so that they could be maximum informed on whatever the subject matter of the day is.
[63] But if you've got a personality like Shannon Sharp, you don't have to do it that way.
[64] He's prepared.
[65] He knows what he's doing.
[66] He doesn't need to talk to any of the producers at ESPN.
[67] But that's a seismic shift for somebody to be coming in on their big show.
[68] Monday and Tuesdays and being able to do whatever he wants.
[69] And I'm just curious as I present all of this to you from the innards of the business.
[70] Do you care if anyone leaves ESPN?
[71] Any single person leaves ESPN.
[72] Does it matter to you?
[73] I think Stephen A. Smith is the last star.
[74] Like to me, he's the face of the network and the one guy that if he left, you would go, whoa, this is.
[75] is the end of an era.
[76] I think, too, like, that block of programming you talked about, Dan, that 5 o 'clock to 6 o 'clock 90 -minute window or whatever, you look at Reilly who's been there, God, 20 years.
[77] Like, I was 12, 11 years old watching Tony Reilly as the stat boy intern for Tony and for Mike, and then all of a sudden getting his own show.
[78] Like, that hurts when you tell me around the horn's ending, and I know Tony Realli personally, right?
[79] Like, we all do.
[80] He's part of, like, our family at ESPN.
[81] Oh, come.
[82] Don't do that.
[83] It hurts because, like, he's like, he.
[84] He's so good at that job, right?
[85] Like, he is so excellent at that.
[86] And the fact that they're like, eh, you're kind of done.
[87] It's over.
[88] And it's like, he could do this for another 40 years.
[89] The thing about these shows ending in the capacity in which they are is that, like you mentioned before, Dan, they're eliminating sort of the team element of any of this.
[90] They're eliminating these jobs for producers who are the people who build up talent to be informed.
[91] When you're talking about around the horn, like I interned there at one point.
[92] It was doing some of the behind the scenes work that helped to provide.
[93] all of these journalists for the job.
[94] Yep, I was waiting for that.
[95] But I was part of creating the research packets and going together and pulling real information for people to not look like Stu Gatz, who's not paying attention to the games, but to look informed as if they can actually pay attention to all of these different things.
[96] But the reason it worked is because you had people who studied these games.
[97] You had journalists with real credibility who knew how to storytell, who were then there on TV.
[98] And when you're eliminating this, sort of collaborative environment, and you're just propping up individuals who know it's only about entertainment.
[99] That's it.
[100] It's no longer about actually fleshing out stories.
[101] It's just about entertaining the masses.
[102] It changes all of what this has all been about for the last couple decades.
[103] Yeah, I mean, around the horn, I used to watch it every day after school.
[104] I'm friends with Mina Kimes.
[105] I'm friends with Kevin Clark.
[106] I'm friends with Harry Lyles.
[107] I'm friends with Izzy Gutierras.
[108] I would be devastated to see these people not on my TV every day at 5 p .m. I don't believe that when you and Greg Cody talk about heartbreak here or what would be the reaction to anybody leaving.
[109] You say the reaction.
[110] Stephen A. leaves.
[111] Your reaction would be, wow.
[112] And then you'd go right back to watching ESPN.
[113] You'd watch first take as much as you already do or don't.
[114] It's not actually the bet that they're making on.
[115] on giant stars, but we'll pay you this much, Stephen A, will pay you not as much as McAfee.
[116] You will not have a production staff.
[117] You will have better numbers than McAfee, but you will not have the $10 million in resources that allows you to, you know, have Belichick and who else is on the show, Aaron Rogers Weekly and Nick Sabin, what he's fighting for, production, let's partner on stuff.
[118] I want to partner with you the way McAfee is partnered with.
[119] you the way Shannon Sharp has partnered with you.
[120] When Tim Legler can be as excellent as he is and can quietly leave and you sort of have a little bit of a death of expertise as Kendrick Perkins gets rewarded because it's a different thing than what it is that Legler does.
[121] You have a dilution by degrees of your expertise and your commentary, but it doesn't matter enough.
[122] It's a dilution of degrees that I care about, but the viewer and the audience doesn't care so much.
[123] Like, it's obvious that it's very clear that ESPN can lose anybody and all it'll be as noisy for a little while, but the noise won't matter because organizations win championships.
[124] That's accurate.
[125] And we see that in sports all the time.
[126] You know, there's no Michael Jordan anymore.
[127] The Chicago Bulls are still selling out games.
[128] And I think the change in evolution, in a way, ESPN is just catching up to that wave.
[129] I mean, think about it.
[130] MTV starts off showing nothing but music videos.
[131] MTV's a whole different thing now.
[132] You can't even find a music video.
[133] Food Network started off doing cooking shows.
[134] Emeril Lagasse is teaching me how to make chicken peccata.
[135] Now Food Network is game shows.
[136] and competition shows.
[137] And they're great.
[138] Yeah.
[139] And they're great.
[140] So ESPN, if you're an ESPN fan, and I think Stephen A. Smith is maybe an exception.
[141] But you're going to watch ESPN.
[142] You're not going to switch channels because Tim Legler is no longer there or a certain show.
[143] Pardon the Interruption, I think, is a tent pole for ESPN.
[144] Obviously, I'm going to, that's the one show I will miss when it ends for sure.
[145] This is part of the corroding of information all across television, right?
[146] Like CNN ultimately decided we want to be first take about a decade ago.
[147] And that was like right leading into the first Trump election because they realized as a corporate entity we're going to get more eyeballs and advertisers if we just have people watching this polarizing thing rather than actually doing the journalism and breaking it down and giving you correct information.
[148] And that goes for Fox and that goes for MSNBC.
[149] that goes for any of these major cable networks.
[150] So when you turn around and you look at ESPN, it shouldn't necessarily be a shock that in something in sports, that's even less news -based, what of it really matters in news a lot of the time outside of the types of stories that were on like outside the lines and things like that, you're going to have, of course, a decrease in people like Tim Legler breaking down the game when, you know, you can go to a podcast like the Dunker Spot with Nikaius Duncan and Steve Jones or you can go to oddball or you can go or you can go to you know guys on Twitter who are breaking down the game in threads you can get it there rather than on TV and they'll just go all right we're going to overwork these individual talents who are polarizing who are going to give us stuff on social media and call it a day it's an interesting fracturing because if you want to be informed and get expertise you can do so but it stands out when Orlovsky and NFL live or giving it to you on a mainstream outlet.
[151] It stands out when on the MLB network, all you're getting everywhere is legitimate expertise that if someone's not an expert, they will be unmasked very quickly if they do not know what they're talking about because the fandom is so intelligent and desires that the content be smarter, better, different than other places than they get it.
[152] I would say that the content has to respect its fan base that way.
[153] but I would also say ESPN is respecting its fan base that way.
[154] It wants entertainment.
[155] It doesn't want the, like, the expertise of Orlovsky and NFL Live is good over there and stands out.
[156] It's not what they want from the rest of the shows.
[157] They want the rest of the shows to be more general.
[158] The elimination of baseball tonight was really what kind of ended modern baseball coverage at ESPN.
[159] And we've always talked about how baseball fans are dorks.
[160] They follow the stats, everything like that.
[161] Well, when they then moved over to MLB Network, it became immediately the moment baseball tonight was gone and we all had to go to MLB Network for more baseball coverage, it was leaning in to we will cover the analytics.
[162] And that's the reason why baseball fans are so much more focused on Saber metrics and analytics than any other fandom because the only place that they're able to go for content told them this is how front offices are breaking it down, how they're analyzing it.
[163] And so you, the fan, should be informed this way.
[164] We're over where ESPN is talking about it.
[165] They're not really caring about the information.
[166] They're just talking to you about, hey, Shohei Otani, is he, Babe Ruth?
[167] I don't know.
[168] Well, compare it to cooking and music shows then.
[169] Compare it to the evolution that Greg Cody is talking about of MTV becoming ridiculousness at all times.
[170] Because when it comes to, when I think about things that people care about super passionately, cooking, music, and sports are all among them.
[171] But only one of them can actually put out multiple networks a day talking about a single thing.
[172] Like you don't have multiple music networks that are 24 hours, seven days a week.
[173] Cooking does some of that.
[174] But ESPN and Fox and all of these other entities are occupying a space where they are giving maximum stuff to the people most passionate about sports.
[175] Compare it to the cooking and the music entities in terms of how it is that these things are.
[176] are digested and delivered.
[177] Do cooking shows give you expertise?
[178] They do about cooking.
[179] Music is not giving you very much expertise about music, correct?
[180] Right, they're not analyzing songs.
[181] They're just presenting.
[182] It's not Jack White talking about guitar chords in a way that will make people fired up, right?
[183] Like sports occupies a unique space in inundating market passions, flogging market passions, with excess, correct?
[184] There are more podcasts in this sphere.
[185] How Boston alone can support about five major sports podcasts.
[186] Just the fans, just the people who show up at the parade for the Celtics.
[187] And Stu still can't watch the subway series.
[188] Jesus Christ.
[189] Summer's the best time to run the way you want.
[190] Dial it up with new challenges and programs and bring your workouts with you to make the most of outside sunny days.
[191] Stugats, guess what?
[192] You know what you can do with Peloton?
[193] What?
[194] Get the app.
[195] Go outside, ride a bike.
[196] Well, I thought you'd ride Peloton Inside.
[197] Well, you do.
[198] You can ride Peloton inside if it's a rainy day or if it's cloudy or you just don't want to get outside.
[199] Maybe it's too hot.
[200] It's summertime.
[201] Go outside.
[202] I record a lot from my office with you.
[203] And you've noticed it's sitting there yet it hasn't been used.
[204] Well, now's the time.
[205] Summer's the best time to start that push, Stugats.
[206] Right.
[207] Can we do it together?
[208] Not on the same bike, but we could join a class together.
[209] I used to do that.
[210] We used to do that.
[211] We'd invite people.
[212] We'd all take a class together.
[213] Same time.
[214] So I think you're starting to get concerned about my health and my age, Billy.
[215] I sense that with you.
[216] We're beyond starting.
[217] Okay.
[218] Whatever road lies ahead, your training starts here with Peloton Tread and Tread Plus.
[219] It's not just a bike, a treadmill, too.
[220] I'm going to go outside.
[221] I'm going to get in shape.
[222] I'm going to do it with Billy Gill.
[223] I want to be in your class.
[224] I want you to be my instructor.
[225] You don't want to spend more time with me. No, I can schedule a class and we can ride together.
[226] I won't be the instructor of the class.
[227] We can have Camila could be our instructor.
[228] I like the Grateful Dead class.
[229] My daughter, she uses the Peloton.
[230] She was on it once and an instructor who was playing Grateful Dead tunes.
[231] Let's do that.
[232] Okay.
[233] Why don't we go for a run, outside, guided run, Peloton.
[234] Me and you, that's something we can do together.
[235] Okay.
[236] Turn on the app, me and you, go outside.
[237] Enjoy the summer.
[238] Call yourself a runner with Peloton at onepellaton .com slash running.
[239] All right.
[240] Don Libetard.
[241] Greg Cody of the Miami Herald.
[242] He's actively playing defense against my ability to do the show because what are you laughing at?
[243] You're just laughing at it.
[244] Honey Boo -boo is embroiled in controversy.
[245] It's funny to me. He couldn't stop laughing just looking at the picture of honey boo -boo.
[246] That doesn't sound healthy.
[247] It's his laughter.
[248] We can't make him laugh like that.
[249] It's how he's going to die.
[250] Right here, just laughing and coughing.
[251] I want to die like that.
[252] This is the Dan Leibatar show with the Stugats.
[253] Somebody writes in, Stugats' WFAN Residency 2024 is just making all of New York hate him.
[254] It's the most deserving result possible.
[255] If you have been watching and listening for a long time, you know that the joke was supposed to be, this is how Stugats does it at the top of ESPN.
[256] That was supposed to be the final joke that we made there, where Stugats is reading quarterback rankings into Michelle Beetle's chest, and then he parlayes all of that into I'm going to be on pardon the interruption, arguing with Mike Wilbon.
[257] And we failed.
[258] We didn't get quite to where we wanted to.
[259] And I've been making the joke for a while.
[260] And it's not a joke that he's going to plant the flag of ignorance at the top of failure mountain in my head.
[261] It's going to have no flag and it's going to be in the head of this company.
[262] Should we explain the Michelle Beatle thing for people that don't know?
[263] No, not really.
[264] That's how it happened on television.
[265] It was supposed to be the start.
[266] It was her show.
[267] She's doing Sports Nation.
[268] He goes and finds her microphone, which is tied to her, I don't know whether she was wearing a dress or a shirt or blouse or what it was.
[269] But he just shouted into her chest some quarterback rankings because he was doing 24 hours of fantasy football with Mike Golick on a green screen.
[270] What a time.
[271] The beach ball and them like on like beach chairs.
[272] I was on the old baseball tonight set.
[273] The two of them, Golick and Stugat, as I imagine, I imagine right now, if I told Jeremy, Jessica, and Anthony, if I said the three of you, go up to Bristol and you've got 24 hours to do a show and we're just going to turn the microphones on and the cameras on and you're going to have ESPN to yourselves.
[274] The first couple of hours of that would be very exciting and then you'd get very.
[275] sad that you were in an antiseptic cold room with a beach ball and a green screen, and there were 22 hours remaining on whatever it is that you had to make.
[276] Daniel, I do the Tony show 24 hours.
[277] We just start, we start getting cooking around like two or three in the morning.
[278] Come on, Danny.
[279] That is what they called me in college.
[280] I miss that.
[281] I miss those days of being called Danny.
[282] And Will Bonn.
[283] And only Wilbon.
[284] Only Wilbon.
[285] And only Wilbon.
[286] The Olympics here, we talked about this some yesterday.
[287] because I'm a little confounded that the world now moves so fast that opening ceremonies of the Olympics, which used to be something in America, as close as you can get to people gather around and watch something together just for the communal of it, that it's too slow for the modern age, that whatever the costume pageantry is of this is the world fake coming together at a time that the world is not at all together in pursuit of sports, we're going to put some of the packaging on it and we're going to sell it to you and you're going to gather around your television or now your streaming service to watch.
[288] Do you guys care at all about the opening ceremonies?
[289] Does any, do young people?
[290] I love the opening ceremony.
[291] I'm not a young person, but I love the opening ceremony.
[292] It's going to be, I think it's four and a half hours long, live tomorrow on NBC at one.
[293] And then there's going to be a condensed version, I believe, at 7 .30 in prime time with Mike Terrico hosting it.
[294] And I'm very excited.
[295] I saw yesterday that Cocoa Gough was named the women's flag bearer.
[296] So she's the youngest to ever be a flag bearer for Team USA.
[297] She's only 20, which every time I hear how young Coco Gough is, like my mind is blown, because I have been watching her play tennis for so long, it feels like, but that's just how good she is.
[298] She's been in the national spotlight since she was like 15.
[299] So she's going to be doing that with LeBron James.
[300] I'm very excited.
[301] I just, I can't wait for the Olympics.
[302] It started yesterday.
[303] There was some rugby.
[304] The U .S. men's national team played against France.
[305] They lost, I think, three to nothing, which was not great.
[306] But the U .S. women's national team plays today at 3 o 'clock Eastern, I believe.
[307] So I'm very much looking forward to that.
[308] I wore my Team USA U .S. Women's National Team shirt.
[309] I'm dressed up.
[310] I'm ready to go.
[311] I'm very excited.
[312] Who doesn't want to watch 600 athletes saunter into a stadium?
[313] It's great.
[314] What are you talking about?
[315] It is great.
[316] I love it.
[317] I love seeing all the different outfits.
[318] I love seeing the fashion.
[319] I love seeing, like, every country has their LeBron James.
[320] And I love finding out who all these people are that I don't really get to watch every, you know, every year.
[321] It's just a great thing.
[322] You can walk a little faster, though.
[323] So remind me, they're just walking in a circle.
[324] They like enter in?
[325] No, they're doing it on the Sen this year.
[326] So it's like a river, it's like a river boat.
[327] I guess.
[328] So we're watching a parade?
[329] Jungle cruise?
[330] It's a parade.
[331] That's exactly what it is.
[332] What else would it be?
[333] Eh, I don't know.
[334] You don't have to watch it.
[335] It's fine.
[336] Trust me, I won't.
[337] It's great.
[338] I love the opening ceremony.
[339] I love the parade of nations.
[340] I love mocking the country that's got like two representatives.
[341] And how they pick the one to carry the flag?
[342] You know, what about the other guy?
[343] But it's a throwback.
[344] It's quaint.
[345] You know, it reminds me of decades ago when, you know, sports, was so integral with what everyone was thinking.
[346] The Olympics, though, are love it or leave it, I find.
[347] When I talk to people, you either love the Olympics or you're yawning about them.
[348] I don't find many people who are casual Olympics fans.
[349] I'm pretty casual.
[350] I'm a big Olympics fan.
[351] I'm going to watch it.
[352] You say that, though.
[353] Well, you always mock me for fake enthusiasm.
[354] I love the Olympics.
[355] I watch the way you watch sports.
[356] You never see.
[357] You're always, like, walking in and out of the kitchen.
[358] What's the score?
[359] All right, what's the heat score?
[360] Jimmy got.
[361] You don't even, you're not watching.
[362] It's because the heat play 82 games every year.
[363] The Olympics is once every four years.
[364] I don't watch all the events, but there's plenty of events that I am going to watch.
[365] I'm going to watch Water Polo because of Flavor Flav.
[366] I'm keenly interested in soccer.
[367] I'll be watching the U .S. women play today.
[368] And so there's a lot, you know, I love the fact that Simone Biles and Katie Ladecki are back for another Olympic gold rush at age 27, which to me is you're a child, but in gymnastics and swimming, 27 is ancient, and yet here they are again.
[369] I think that's a great story.
[370] Cocoa Golf, you mentioned, 20 years old, local young woman from Delray Beach, I believe.
[371] These are interesting things.
[372] Once every four years, I'm a bit of a patriot, a bit of a jingoist.
[373] I unabashedly cheer for the U .S. teams.
[374] I take pride in the U .S. Olympic.
[375] It is a good and easy time to root for the United States because we win most of the medals at these things.
[376] I'm rooting for them too.
[377] I just don't know.
[378] I don't think you're in the category of like you're a casual.
[379] Yes, you're rooting for USA.
[380] When you see a sport on, you'll root for them.
[381] But like you're not into this more than the casual person.
[382] You know, Paris is six hours different.
[383] Am I going to be up at 3 a .m.?
[384] watching something live?
[385] probably not.
[386] I think it's fair.
[387] Look, you are Olympic shaming your father, and I will not allow you to Olympic shame your father at this patriotic time.
[388] I will, however, confirm your report that he's a casual when he says, I'll watch water polo because of flavor flage.
[389] Damn right.
[390] You're one of the best people who's been able to get in with us.
[391] You serious?
[392] I can actually get the shot on the first time.
[393] Yeah, you were so quick for it.
[394] That was nice.
[395] I did good?
[396] Yeah.
[397] No. My crew said, that I did good I love it we're going to get that fourth star on these caps yes right yes USA USA you're a raging you're a raging fraud Greg you will not watch any water polo Yes I will Yeah boy All right Go sit in the penalty box No that was good Dan That was good Go sit in the penalty box For two minutes No Tony's right That was good Go sit in the penalty box I agree with Tony Why was Buffalo Springfield in the background Two minutes.
[398] I was about to give you the Olympic sport that we should bring back.
[399] But if you don't want that, I'd like to do it.
[400] Exactly.
[401] Minor penalty, two minutes, asshole.
[402] Go, Dad.
[403] Assholes hard.
[404] I didn't do it.
[405] The referee made the call on whatever it was.
[406] I sent him out, but the referee decides what it is that the call is.
[407] I can only imagine the sport my dad is longing for from the Olympics.
[408] Yeah.
[409] We'll get to that in a second.
[410] I do like to imagine the Olympics a thousand years ago, though, before the...
[411] Way better.
[412] The Olympics a thousand years ago are way better than what they're doing now.
[413] Go on.
[414] All 100%.
[415] What do you mean?
[416] Way better.
[417] Let's start with this.
[418] Let's start with this.
[419] The torch, right?
[420] They have the torch where they bring and the people carry it into the stadium and it's supposed to be forever lit or whatever.
[421] Imagine a thousand years ago, Dan, where you're in ancient Greece and you're like, hey, we got to run to Paris.
[422] Where's Paris?
[423] I don't know.
[424] We got to go, though.
[425] And there's a guy just running with a torch for.
[426] six months until he gets to another guy and another six months he runs for another thing that's incredible.
[427] Now they just put it on a plane, go to another guy, goes there, who cares?
[428] Wait a minute.
[429] Is that, no, I think that is the torch still not running?
[430] Is that not part of the opening ceremonies that the torch will arrive at the opening ceremonies when we start?
[431] The torch is still out there running.
[432] I think they still do the torch.
[433] Why are they going to Paris?
[434] I'm saying, like you were in Greece.
[435] You're like, hey, the Olympics are this year.
[436] Hey, I got to go run to wherever we're going.
[437] Sudan.
[438] Okay, I got to run to Sudan now from Greece.
[439] I don't know.
[440] Don't, I don't think we do the Olympics in Sudan.
[441] A thousand years ago, Dan, there was no, like the countries like that didn't exist?
[442] By your logic, didn't they also have Wi -Fi?
[443] Yeah, they'd know where to go.
[444] Different, you guys don't get it.
[445] Where is the torch right now?
[446] The torch, they still do that thing where they very slowly take the torch.
[447] It's a relay, right?
[448] The torch relay.
[449] Yes, it's a lot of people involved, or it has been.
[450] I don't know if this is still something that we're doing in the modern age or not, because I would think that the Olympics has to slightly update.
[451] itself.
[452] I don't believe that Jessica's in the majority where she gets this kind of enthusiastic still for the pageantry of opening ceremonies that are four and a half hours of athletes sauntering into a stadium so that we can see an oiled up guy from Tonga holding the flag.
[453] I find that a lot of the non -sports lovers in my life, we all have something in common during the Olympics.
[454] It's a very approachable sporting event that I think a lot of people understand the stakes.
[455] You want to get a gold medal and then you kind of learn the storylines along with everyone else that's watching a sport for the first time in four years.
[456] And I find it to be a very, it brings people together, Dan.
[457] It's very approachable, the Olympics.
[458] And I read that Snoop Dog will be among one of the torchbearers carrying the Olympic flame in the final stretch before the opening ceremony of the Paris Games on Friday.
[459] Is he going to be running?
[460] What is he going to be doing in a car?
[461] He's going to light up a joint with it.
[462] I can see where the torch is, but a lot of these words are a little scary for me. Jess, can you handle this?
[463] Where is it right now?
[464] It's at the...
[465] Newly, Sir, I can't read it.
[466] It's at Newley, Grand.
[467] The Tremblay and France.
[468] And then Montreal and Benglée.
[469] And then Canard de la Croix.
[470] That's where it will be the next two days, Dan.
[471] This is you, you, your character as either Caki Semilliers or a French matri -D of some sort.
[472] Guy trying to order sparkling water.
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[491] Greg Cody of the Miami Herald, who is a source of constant frustration and entitlement and narcissism.
[492] This is what he says.
[493] This is either the last back in my day as a regular series or the first of a new phase in which back in my days are occasional, not every week.
[494] So he has just announced officially his laziness.
[495] Stugats.
[496] I want to make him an occasional series.
[497] I am.
[498] once a week.
[499] But no, I think more occasional.
[500] I think every time you don't have a back in my day, you can't do the show.
[501] I think we should.
[502] Okay, okay.
[503] That's fine.
[504] Because I have a contract, so if you want to pay me for not doing the show.
[505] That's fine.
[506] We can pay him for doing nothing.
[507] We already do.
[508] That's a good that's a good one.
[509] I got no retort for that.
[510] This is the Dan Leibatar show with the Stugats.
[511] Greg Cody continues to have a lot of trouble with the microphone and now he's officially bleeding.
[512] He is holding a bandage or no, a napkin on his arm.
[513] What happened to you?
[514] There's a health hazard in the studio here.
[515] Nobody's taken care of it.
[516] It's the second time.
[517] There's a key.
[518] The key is left in the lock.
[519] And it's at a level where when I'm exiting the studio, it rips my arm, causes me to bleed.
[520] keys are the key's very sharp okay it's like a brand new key it it has the feel of a key that's just been cut that's he's right about that what are you laughing about Chris he's like disheveled yes it's a tour to force the praise is pouring in for the chair can we get Greg Cody as permanent second host please someone writes in it's been 16 minutes and Greg Cody has talked about shoeboxes dead animal service dogs crying babies and autographs and also someone writes in Greg is putting on a tour de force, five throat clears in the span of 10 seconds, and it's only the first 10 minutes.
[521] He's giving you two more throat clears here in the first.
[522] Can I get a Band -Aid?
[523] Can we get him a Band -Aid, please?
[524] I got you heard.
[525] Man was almost killed here, Dan.
[526] You've got to watch off for these keys.
[527] Thank you, Tom.
[528] Dave Ziron is going to join us here from Paris to get us excited about the Olympics.
[529] If the Morocco -Argentina game should get you excited about the Olympics, it's before the opening ceremonies, and we've already got a sporting event a result that none of us have ever seen before, which is, hey, game's over, hour and 15 minutes later, never mind, game's not over, we've got to redo all of this.
[530] Terrible bad beat for Chris Cody, who was all excited.
[531] Ridiculous.
[532] An hour later?
[533] An hour later, you thought you would cash that bet.
[534] You would spend that money.
[535] I bet the tie.
[536] Who bets the tie?
[537] I bet the tie.
[538] And I was celebrating in 15 minutes of stoppage time, which is a ridiculous amount of stoppage time.
[539] And we get the goal, and I'm like celebrating the money is in my account, an hour later the money's gone.
[540] What the, are we doing?
[541] Jessica, what are you putting your head in your hands about?
[542] Oh, God.
[543] I love the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
[544] Who bets a tie?
[545] Chris.
[546] I do.
[547] Chris making it about himself.
[548] I have told you before about Dave Zyron.
[549] He does a great job looking at the serious issues off of the field.
[550] He's the sports editor for the nation.
[551] He joins us live from Paris.
[552] He will be our international curmudgeon correspondent here to ruin all the fun at the Olympics.
[553] As Jessica says, it's a time of unity.
[554] And Zyron's here to say, no, it's not.
[555] No, it's not.
[556] Do you see what's happening in the world?
[557] It is not a time of unity, no matter how many.
[558] I don't think I said that.
[559] You said that you love that the sports world comes together and everybody is united around the flag.
[560] I said that.
[561] It's very approachable for non -sports fans to be interested in sports for once every four years.
[562] Okay, so I've misrepresented you by saying.
[563] I didn't say it brings everyone together.
[564] Okay.
[565] I've misrepresented Jessica here in bringing people together and loving the opening ceremonies because it brings people together.
[566] Are you all right, Greg?
[567] I'm getting there.
[568] Hold it above your heart.
[569] What do you, what do you, you've got a lot of blood on your arms in general.
[570] Old man arms for sure.
[571] What is happening with your arms?
[572] Your arms have a lot of wounds on them.
[573] I have creepy skin.
[574] That's for sure.
[575] Zyron, thank you.
[576] Not that kind of creepy.
[577] Although maybe.
[578] I meant crepe.
[579] Yes, crepe.
[580] Holy crept.
[581] Zyron, thank you for joining us from, Paris for tolerating our general incompetence.
[582] First off, the Morocco -Argentina game yesterday.
[583] What the hell was that?
[584] Victory.
[585] I got to tell you, Dan, the entire situation here in Paris is filling me with a great deal of Onwi.
[586] And more than a little bit of Sacrableu here in Paris.
[587] I don't know what was going on yesterday in that Morocco -Argentina game, but the anger of the Moroccan fans is being reflected in the streets of Paris.
[588] I can tell you that right now.
[589] Just some quick highlights of what I've seen outside the field.
[590] First and foremost, guns, guns everywhere.
[591] There are 70 ,000 security officials in the streets of Paris and 20 ,000 undercover security officials in the streets of Paris with military hardware that would make Michael Bay blush.
[592] That's the first thing I would want to share with you.
[593] The second thing is that this crazy thing happened in Paris that is getting very little publicity where they loaded thousands upon thousands of homeless families on buses and just drove them out of Paris and dropped them off in other cities.
[594] So the city looks pretty for a foreign audience.
[595] And there's going to be a massive demonstration this evening about this very issue, which promises to be quite volcanic.
[596] And just a couple other things, oh, just little things.
[597] There's a strike at the hotel where the IOC is staying.
[598] Nobody is getting their room service and the opening ceremony dancers.
[599] And I'm with Jessica.
[600] I love the opening ceremony, but the dancers might be going on strike.
[601] So that's what's happening here in Pali at the Olympics.
[602] All right.
[603] I've got a lot of follow -up questions.
[604] Have you been detained by police yet?
[605] Briefly yesterday.
[606] I was doing a recording a little video right outside this barricaded area where they're barricading French citizens from walking to the edge of the Sen, the river that of course defines the city, the Sen, which is going to be the site of the opening ceremony.
[607] So security around it is tighter than a drum.
[608] And I just wanted to do a little recording by the barricade where there was a big sign in both French and English telling people, stay away.
[609] You know, arret, arret.
[610] You know, I don't even know if that's the word.
[611] I'm learning on the plot.
[612] Thank you.
[613] Thank you.
[614] That's what it means.
[615] with a gun, you know, bigger than my upper body came up to me and demanded to see my passport and held my passport and wouldn't let me go until some check was made.
[616] And it didn't matter that I had a pretty little media pass.
[617] It didn't matter that I was an American, nothing.
[618] And they are on point in making sure that people know that if you're going to disrupt these Olympics in any way, there could be violence as a result.
[619] is that kind of security around the river because of that threatened mass defecation event that people were talking about shitting in the river or is it just because the Olympics are there?
[620] It's just because of the Olympics because the mass defecation, it never quite came off the way they wanted it to.
[621] That could be because constipation is a big issue in Paris.
[622] It might be all the coffee and cheese, but there just hasn't been a lot of defecation in the river.
[623] Instead, there's been a $1 .5 billion cleanup of the SEN, which is making people very upset because if there's rain tomorrow, it's going to bring a load of sewage and bacteria into the Senn.
[624] So LeBron might be holding the flag and waving it for the U .S. team, but he also might have a clothespin on his nose.
[625] We should look out for that.
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[627] I heard that there was some, thanks, Chris, some also controversy about the barricades around the Senn just being like an impeccable.
[628] on people trying to get to work and locals being very annoyed with the amount of like barricades set up around the city.
[629] Is that something that you noticed while you were walking around as well?
[630] Absolutely.
[631] I'm not quite sure what that means.
[632] But when you go around the city, tons of streets are blocked off by once again, people should not be imagining police officers.
[633] You've got to imagine somebody who looks like they're about to invade Algeria.
[634] It's a, it's a scary scene in that regard.
[635] So you've got streets blocked off everywhere.
[636] And worse of all, behind the barricades are tons of businesses, tons of restaurants.
[637] You know, the Olympics are supposed to be good for tourism, good for the service industry.
[638] Yet a ton of restaurants are blocked off.
[639] I tried interviewing a guy over the barricade, but that just felt a little bit, a little too Romeo and Juliet for me. So we didn't quite get that going.
[640] But it's a scene where the level of disruption of the city of Paris is far worse than I thought, and the degree of just mopiness of Parisians.
[641] Now, you could argue that maybe they're just thinking about existentialism walking down the streets, but there does seem to be a little bit of, shall we say, resentment of the presence of the Olympic Games.
[642] Explain to me where this ranks as someone who's astute about the politics around these games all the time.
[643] How does the armed person?
[644] personnel compared to other times.
[645] The Olympics are always heavily secured because people are worried about all sorts of political things that can happen.
[646] How does it compare to previous times you've been to the Olympics?
[647] That's a great question.
[648] You see, one of the things, one of the big tensions in the Olympic movement is do we hold the games in authoritarian countries like, say, China, Saudi Arabia, or do we hold them in democracies like Los Angeles or Paris or, you know, Rio.
[649] And what we're seeing is that the amount of military hardware that goes into these Western democracies actually makes them more like the autocracies in China and Saudi Arabia.
[650] And that's an important point because one of the arguments that the International Olympic Committee always makes for why cities should host the games is that we are going to take these autocratic countries and actually make them more democratic just because of the presence of the Olympics.
[651] That's like bringing the gift of democracy and brother and sisterhood to a country.
[652] But the reality, and I'm seeing this in Paris, is the opposite.
[653] Paris looks a lot more like Beijing than Beijing was looking like Paris.
[654] I don't know if this is a question that you can even answer in five minutes, but like, is there an ethical way to host the Olympics?
[655] Ah, the question of questions.
[656] There it is.
[657] There are people who write whole books about how to do this.
[658] There are a lot of different theories about how to do this without debt, displacement, and the hyper -militarization of public space.
[659] There are ideas about, maybe it should be like the Super Bowl, and there are only four locations for the Olympics, and you rotate through them.
[660] That's one idea.
[661] But then there's another idea that just says, it's not economically or environmentally sustainable, so maybe we need to think about actually throwing this in the trash heap and saying, let's try to think about international sports competitions in an entirely different way.
[662] Instead of trying to reform what we have, let's try to do it differently so it doesn't feel like you're turning a city into an armed encampment.
[663] What a question.
[664] I can't believe that we've got our first ever, the question of questions.
[665] I think that that is better.
[666] I think that's better than last week when Mike Ryan got two.
[667] That's a good questions from Tommy V. There's two of those.
[668] No, but the question of questions, Jessica, you just asked the question of all the questions.
[669] Congratulations.
[670] And I got to be honest, the question Dave Zyron is always waiting for.
[671] Four years he waits for that question to make an emergence so that he can answer that question.
[672] Because, of course, these games are political.
[673] And you just dropped on us.
[674] It feels more like Beijing than Paris.
[675] Like, what the bleep, Dave?
[676] What are we doing?
[677] What are we doing?
[678] It's a great question.
[679] But, you know, if I have time to tell you, there's also very interesting politics happening inside, which is what makes the Olympics so exciting.
[680] You ask about the Olympics being political.
[681] I saw a seven -on -seven rugby yesterday, France versus Argentina versus Kenya.
[682] And France hates Argentina because Argentina's soccer players are super racist against French soccer players.
[683] So all the French fans as Argentina faced Kenya were chanting Kenya.
[684] It was the loudest chant I've ever heard, Kenya, Kenya against the Argentinians.
[685] That was pretty cool to see.
[686] But it just goes to show you that the Olympics are merely just pop.
[687] Politics by other means.
[688] Zyron, good seeing you, always good talking to you.
[689] If you want dispatches from Dave and his colleague, Jules Boykoff, the nation .com is where you go.
[690] We'll catch up with you again and get more correspondence.
[691] Thank you, sir.
[692] Thank you.
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