After Roe: A New Battlefield (2022)

[0] A warning before we start the show.

[1] There are descriptions of graphic violence and other heavy content in this episode.

[2] It begins on January 22, 1973, when the Supreme Court issued its opinion in Roe v. Wade.

[3] Several decisions of this court make clear that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the due process clause of the 14th Amendment.

[4] Loving versus Virginia, Griswold v. Connecticut.

[5] We recognize the right of the individual, married, or single, to be free from unwarranted governmental intrusion into matters so fundamentally affecting a person as the decision whether to bear or beget a child.

[6] That right necessarily includes the right of a woman to decide whether or not to terminate her pregnancy.

[7] I think it was an earthquake.

[8] The Supreme Court today ruled that abortion is completely a private matter to be decided by mother and doctor in the first three months of pregnancy.

[9] The word person, as used in the 14th Amendment, does not include the unborn.

[10] I can remember when they made that announcement, I just felt my legs are ready to collapse.

[11] We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins.

[12] If they think it should be legal to end a baby's life, to kill a baby dismember that child in the womb, what won't they think is okay?

[13] This is a culture of death, structures.

[14] We often compare it to the Holocaust in Germany, but this is even worse.

[15] You're standing in front of abortion plan, and I talked to her for over an hour and a half.

[16] Ineffable brutality in the innocence of the children.

[17] Twelve years later, this woman walks in.

[18] She said, this is my daughter, and you saved her.

[19] We forthwith acknowledge our awareness of the sensitive and emotional nature of the abortion controversy, of the vigorous opposing views, even among physicians, and of the deep and seemingly absolute convictions that the subject inspires.

[20] Roe v. Wade transformed the landscape of abortion rights overnight, making abortion legal in all 50 states, pushing it out of the shadows and into the spotlight.

[21] It was the culmination of a movement for abortion rights that brought together doctors, lawyers, feminists, and Protestant institutions.

[22] For them, Roe was the end of a long battle.

[23] But for others, that moment marked the beginning of a new battle, a battle to overturn Roe v. Wade.

[24] They called themselves the pro -life movement.

[25] I think that there's a desire sometimes to think, especially by people who are not against legal abortion, to imagine this as a superficial commitment, one where they don't really believe what they're, saying, or that they are sort of being duped by people with money and power high up in American politics.

[26] And that is not the case.

[27] People have made money and certainly made a lot, built a lot of political power with this movement, but the people who have been staffing this movement for 50 years are incredibly committed and do, I think, very sincerely, and very strongly feel like this is an imperative issue.

[28] But this is the issue.

[29] This is Jennifer Holland.

[30] I'm a professor of history at the University of Oklahoma.

[31] An author of the book, Tiny You, a Western history of the anti -abortion movement.

[32] According to Gallup polls that were conducted just before the Dobs decision, more than half of Americans identify as pro -choice.

[33] just under 40 % identify as pro -life.

[34] And two -thirds believe abortion should be legal in the first trimester of pregnancy.

[35] Since Dobbs, there has been little change in attitudes towards abortion.

[36] A poll conducted by NPR, PBS News Hour, and Marist in early 2023 found that the majority of Americans support abortion rights and six and ten Americans disagree with the Dobbs decision.

[37] But after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in 2022, States enacted a flurry of laws criminalizing abortion across the country.

[38] Fourteen states have fully banned abortion, and another six have partial bans.

[39] In a few states, abortion rights hang in the balance, while the courts determine whether or not bans can take effect.

[40] While researching her book, Jennifer Holland spent a lot of time talking to people in the movement who were there, building it up at the grassroots level since the road decision in 1973.

[41] Some of the oral histories you'll hear throughout this episode come from interviews she conducted.

[42] One of the things that made this movement so powerful is its ability to really mobilize a minority, a sizable minority of people who are dedicated to this above all other things and vote on this issue above all other things and that they'll always come to vote.

[43] Because this is such a life or death issue that they need to.

[44] to be, they need to be prepared every day.

[45] And that makes them essential to American politics.

[46] I'm Randab al -Fattah.

[47] I'm Ramtin Arablui.

[48] Coming up, how the movement against abortion rights grew to be one of the most successful grassroots campaigns of the past century.

[49] This is Kelly calling from Rainy Portland, Oregon.

[50] You're listening to ThruLine from MPR.

[51] Part 1, The Silent Scream Now, I think we've covered most of the important facts on what a child should know about sex by the time he starts the first grade.

[52] There is one more, though, that no one has mentioned, and that's women's breast.

[53] We live in the most breast -happy country in the whole world.

[54] This topless business, the bathing suits, the low -cut gowns, everything has a message of breast.

[55] are for fun.

[56] In the 1960s, Dr. John C. Wilkie and his wife, Barbara Wilkie, began lecturing on abstinence -only sex education.

[57] There's only one way that we can really effectively teach our children the value of woman's breast, and that is to breastfeed again.

[58] There's nothing stimulating about seeing a woman nurse a child.

[59] Dr. Wilkie was an obstetrician.

[60] Barbara was a nurse, and both were devout Catholic.

[61] And they watched with horror as a cultural firestorm overtook the country.

[62] Sugar and fights and everything nice.

[63] That's what little girls are made of.

[64] Society is just changing at an incredible rate around issues of sexuality and reproduction.

[65] Women have a fundamental right to control their own bodies and to control their own lives.

[66] So people are having sex outside of marriage.

[67] The birth control pill is allowed.

[68] allowing that even more than ever before.

[69] And then you have movements, feminism and gay liberation, that are saying, you know, that sexuality is politics, that all these structures around family and sexuality are fundamentally repressive and exclusive that are skeptical of religious people sort of imposing their view on the majority through law.

[70] In the years leading up to the Roe decision in 1973, Catholics were the main opponent to abortion.

[71] The Catholic Church had ruled abortion was murder on and all for centuries.

[72] And for a lot of these early activists, opposition to abortion was part of a broader protection of life from conception to natural death.

[73] So they were anti -war and anti -death penalty too.

[74] In contrast, mainstream Protestant organizations had largely supported decriminalizing abortion.

[75] So as some states began to reform their abortion laws, Catholic activists like the Wilkes decided they needed to more.

[76] They founded early groups against abortion in the 1960s, the most prominent being the National Right to Life Committee.

[77] The Wilkie started a local right -to -life organization in their hometown, Cincinnati, Ohio.

[78] They went on radio shows, made pamphlets, and in 1971.

[79] They published this little volume, and it combined all these anti -abortion arguments that people had been developing.

[80] They called it the handbook on abortion.

[81] Is this human life.

[82] This is the question that must first be considered, pondered, discussed, and finally answered in a sense, nothing else really matters.

[83] It spelled out who they believe the real victim in the abortion debate was.

[84] Termination of pregnancy, interruption of pregnancy are all verbal gymnastics behind which to hide.

[85] Killing the life within the mother.

[86] Killing the fetus are most to the point.

[87] killing the unborn baby directly face the issue.

[88] Foregrounding fetuses as victims, as babies who are being murdered.

[89] Abortion clinic?

[90] No, clinic sounds like a place of curing and caring.

[91] Rather use abortion chamber, reminding us of gas chambers.

[92] For isn't one of every two humans who enters that place exterminated?

[93] Even in cases of rape.

[94] She has been raped.

[95] That trauma will live with her all her life.

[96] But will abortion now be best for her?

[97] Or will it bring her more harm yet?

[98] Perhaps most importantly, they put in pictures.

[99] Pictures of fetuses that had supposedly been aborted.

[100] We assume they're abortion, but we don't really know they could be miscarriages as well.

[101] One of them is sort of a black trash bag full of fetal bodies.

[102] A lot of them are bloody.

[103] They're sort of really close up.

[104] You can kind of make out a face and kind of make out the hands.

[105] Right, really zooming in on body parts.

[106] Perhaps the most famous is a close -up photo of an adult hand holding two tiny, fully formed feet, no bigger than a Tic Tac, which inspires.

[107] fired the little pins that many still wear today.

[108] The Handbook on Abortion.

[109] This little cheap book that anyone can buy.

[110] Quickly became a North Star for the budding movement against abortion rights.

[111] Barbara and John Wilkie not only make the book, but the year later, they go on a speaking tour around the country and sort of take slideshows and then encourage those people to do a similar type of slideshow with their friends and neighbors.

[112] And then you could reproduce them and put them in the newspaper.

[113] you know, show them at a protest.

[114] They might push the person who does Sunday school.

[115] They'd say, can you show the kids?

[116] It was a slow build, person by person, church by church, community by community, state by state.

[117] But while the Wilkes were making waves, it was nothing compared to the tsunami unleashed in 1973 when the Supreme Court legalized abortion nationwide.

[118] What had been a state fight transformed overnight into a federal one.

[119] It was a huge setback for this young movement, which was beginning to call itself the pro -life movement.

[120] They really realized pretty early that they need a party as a vehicle for their politics.

[121] And it's important to know that these activists are not Republican from the very beginning.

[122] They are mixed Republican, Democrat, probably a majority Democrat in the late 60s and early 70s.

[123] John F. Kennedy, the country's first Catholic president, had been a Democrat.

[124] But that had begun to change.

[125] Feminism had started to be embraced by more and more Democrats.

[126] Of course, the Democratic Party had already been embracing, you know, black voters and issues around black rights even longer.

[127] This pushed the movement to embrace the Republican Party, which seemed to be making traditional family values a priority.

[128] 1976 Republican Platform, the American Family And the Republican Party, in 1976, is the first time that they put an anti -abortion plank on their platform.

[129] It's not full -throated, but it's there.

[130] Because of our concern for family values, we affirm our beliefs in many elements that will make our country a more hospitable environment for family life, neighborhood schools, a position on abortion that values human life.

[131] A welfare policy...

[132] Pretty soon, evangelicals in the Republican Party began to take up the issue as their own.

[133] A televangelist named Jerry Falwell from Lynchburg, Virginia, founded a political action group called The Moral Majority.

[134] Ending abortion was one of its central goals.

[135] Up to this point, abortion had been considered a mostly Catholic issue.

[136] So what changed?

[137] The Supreme Court said black children would go to school with white.

[138] The South said, never.

[139] After segregation was banned across the country, some evangelical leaders in the South, like Jerry Falwell, had set up private schools that were segregated and were tax -exempt.

[140] But around the time of Roe, that tax -exempt status was revoked on the grounds that those schools were discriminatory.

[141] So they had to look for a new cause.

[142] For some evangelicals, abortion became that.

[143] that cause.

[144] But Jennifer Holland says that's only part of the story, because at the same time that was going on.

[145] You have individual eventual activists pushing.

[146] Pushing their congregations to look at the Wilkie slides.

[147] Creating an environment that's incredibly rich for those arguments to take root.

[148] I was born in Denver, Colorado, March 10th, 1930.

[149] I was the fourth child born to John, Dorothy race.

[150] They weren't too thrilled to see another baby in 1930 because the crash was in 1929.

[151] I got involved with Colorado pro -family.

[152] Ruth Dolan was involved in anti -abortion rights activism in the 1970s with a group called Colorado pro -family.

[153] I was a token Protestant and this was where areas of disagreement began.

[154] They said they didn't want to have prayer before or after meetings.

[155] And I gave a little speech that I said, well, we want to pass in like a human life of and then we had to be on God's side.

[156] You better pray.

[157] The words did that.

[158] And they voted it down.

[159] Ruth was furious.

[160] I was so mad.

[161] I went in the bathroom and splashed cold water on my face because I thought, I don't think I can work with these people.

[162] This coincides with just a larger shift in American religious practice in general.

[163] Carissa Haugeberg, Associate Professor of History at Tulane University, is author of the book, Women Against Abortion, inside the largest moral reform movement of the 20th century.

[164] We see people shipped away from traditional denominations into non -denominational evangelical churches.

[165] Evangelicals bring more people to the movement, And that helps turn the abortion issue into a more important part of the Republican Party platform.

[166] Thank you very much.

[167] In 1980, the Republican candidate for President Ronald Reagan made opposition to abortion reform an important part of his campaign, even though he'd supported laws to increase those rights while governor of California.

[168] We have projected Ronald Reagan the winner.

[169] And when he won the presidency, it signaled the beginning of a new era for the movement, because now they had the president's attention.

[170] Now we can discern the chilling, silent scream on the face of this child who is now facing imminent extinction.

[171] Around this time, an OBGYN doctor named Bernard Nathanson, who had carried out thousands of abortions in the past, began to oppose the procedure.

[172] He attributed his change of heart to the rise of new technologies like ultrasounds, which offered a view of what happens to the feeding.

[173] inside the womb like never before.

[174] When I was a medical student in 1949, we were taught that the fetus was something, but it was really an article of faith as to whether or not it was a human being.

[175] But the whole story has changed.

[176] He worked with a production studio aligned with the movement to create and narrate a 28 -minute film called The Silent Scream.

[177] The Silent Scream was a...

[178] ultrasound video of an abortion, supposedly, where you can sort of see some kind of tool entering the uterus.

[179] The suction tip will begin to tear the child apart.

[180] The pieces of the body are torn away.

[181] The fetus is at 12 weeks.

[182] And then the fetus are shrinking back, right, after it's touched.

[183] We see the child's mouth wide open in a silent screen.

[184] They said, this is a scream.

[185] a sign of pain.

[186] That's all, for humanity's sake, stop the killing.

[187] Scientists have rejected Nathan's claims, because in the first trimester, the fetus has not yet developed a brain or neural pathways necessary to feel pain.

[188] But it doesn't matter, because in the context of this film, it was supposed to be evidence of pain.

[189] The silent scream took the idea behind the Wilkie slides to a new level.

[190] It was more visceral, providing a direct view of the fetus in the womb.

[191] And that ultrasound image of the fetus supposedly screaming was worth a thousand slides.

[192] The film sold nearly a thousand copies within two months of its release.

[193] Religious schools played it for their students, and copies were sent to all members of Congress, the nine Supreme Court justices, and President Reagan.

[194] A screening was even held at the White House.

[195] Surely recent advances in medical technology have changed the debate.

[196] Surgeons now speak of the patient in the womb.

[197] And this was Reagan's response after seeing it.

[198] If every member of the Congress could see this film of an early abortion, the Congress would move quickly to end the tragedy of abortion, and I pray that they will.

[199] This film was just a small part of the growing effort by the movement to shift the narrative around abortion in mainstream American life.

[200] Roe had given abortion rights activist a major victory, but there were still vulnerabilities.

[201] What my scholarship has shown me is that mainstream medicine approved of legal abortion.

[202] They did not approve of those who provided abortion.

[203] This is Carol Jaffe.

[204] She's a sociologist and professor at the University of California, San Francisco.

[205] Her latest book is called Obstacle Quarion.

[206] the everyday struggle to get an abortion in America.

[207] What was really so surprising to me, you know, when I tried to reconstruct the period right after Roe, was what didn't happen.

[208] They didn't set up clinics in their hospitals.

[209] They didn't establish training.

[210] They didn't come up with standards.

[211] This was because of the legacy of the butcher.

[212] So what happened was the establishment of freestanding clinics, which today still, offer about 90, 95 % of all abortions.

[213] You could perform an abortion much more cheaply than if you had to go into a hospital.

[214] You could do it on an outpatient basis.

[215] And here's the really important thing.

[216] You could hire abortion -friendly staff.

[217] However, the trade -off was the marginalization and the separation of abortion care from the rest of medicine.

[218] A reality that would become really important as the movement against the movement abortion rights, change direction.

[219] I used to live in Philadelphia, and I remember driving around Philadelphia in those days.

[220] On the radio, I heard an anti -abortion spokesman saying, now we're going to go after the providers.

[221] Coming up, the movement makes abortion providers public enemy number one.

[222] Hi, and this is Adrian Stubler calling from Morgantown, West Virginia, and you're listening to Throughline from NPR.

[223] Part two.

[224] link.

[225] My name's Bernard Rosenfeld.

[226] I'm a board -certified OBGYN doctor.

[227] For decades, Dr. Rosenfeld performed abortions as part of his medical practice.

[228] That all changed after the Dobbs decision, which eliminated the constitutional right to an abortion and left the regulation of abortions up to states.

[229] In Dr. Rosenfeld's state, like several other states, a trigger law went into effect that made providing an abortion after six weeks a felony.

[230] And you're talking to us from Texas?

[231] Houston.

[232] Houston.

[233] How long have you lived in Houston?

[234] Now 40 years.

[235] So 40 years ago would have been in, I guess, the early 80s.

[236] In 1980.

[237] In 1980, Ronald Reagan had just been elected president.

[238] And for Dr. Rosenfeld, who had carried out abortions in Michigan, Maryland, and even Reagan's home state, California, before landing in Texas, something seemed to be changing on the ground.

[239] The anti -abortion groups started picketing the clinics and then even started picketing my home.

[240] So it really exploded.

[241] In Joshua, the soldiers walked around Jericho, you know, seven times and the blue of the trumpets and the walls collapsed.

[242] You know, that's a metaphor for the psychological walls that we pray will collapse in the psyche of the staff.

[243] Please turn away from here.

[244] You're an image bear of God.

[245] I just thought they were religious fanatics.

[246] You know, Jesus loves you, Dr. Rosen, you know, just don't save your soul.

[247] We're there to save souls, including, you know, the abortion staff.

[248] Because God forbid if somebody were to happen to one of these abortionists, they'd go to hell.

[249] Hey, ma 'am, can I give you some information?

[250] Young lady, whatever your circumstances are, would you just be willing to come talk with us?

[251] They called themselves sidewalk counselors and stood outside clinics to intervene before a woman had an abortion.

[252] There have probably been lots of voices urging you to abort your child, but we're here to talk with you about whatever the situation.

[253] You are a little nerved up.

[254] You're a little afraid because you don't know what they're really up to.

[255] This is Kenya Martin.

[256] She had an abortion at Dr. Rosenfeld's clinic when she was 19 years old.

[257] She remembers arriving for her appointment with her mom and walking by a crowd of protesters, shouting and holding up images of fetuses on her way to the front door.

[258] Specifically, like for me, you know, they would really hone in on the fact that I'm black.

[259] They'd say things like, you know, you're committing black genocide or you're, so you're going to really kill your black baby, things like that.

[260] And, you know, that really would piss me. off, to be perfectly honest.

[261] But it wasn't going to change my mind.

[262] It wasn't going to make me turn around and walk out.

[263] I'm like, they don't know my life.

[264] They're like a whole ass random people who are trying to make me feel bad about something I'm doing that I know is best for me. But yeah, it is scary for somebody who's going there for the first time, like myself.

[265] My mom is just like ignore them.

[266] Let's just go on in.

[267] They coordinate between all the anti -abortion groups.

[268] in the city so that someone always takes a day.

[269] And so someone's protesting all the time.

[270] It was part of a larger strategy the movement was adopting in the early 1980s, centering women alongside the fetus as victims and abortion providers as the ones with blood on their hands.

[271] So there's this desire to sort of make them into genocidal leeches.

[272] because it's hard to call women murderers.

[273] That's like a thornier accusation in a culture that's been remade by feminism.

[274] The movement began to push the idea that many women regretted having their abortions.

[275] We have Dr. Vincent Rue with us, a professor, with us in...

[276] And we're even traumatized by the experience.

[277] Abortion is a traumatic experience.

[278] because it is a human death intentionally caused experience.

[279] Vincent Rue, who is a anti -abortion psychotherapist, comes up with his term post -abortion syndrome.

[280] In 1981, I developed this and presented the diagnostic criteria before the U .S. Congress and talked about the impact of abortion on the individual as a traumatic episode, and then also on the effect on family life.

[281] And it was modeled after the American Psychiatric Association's Post -traumatic Stress Disorder category.

[282] And they start doing what they call post -abortion therapy to try to connect a woman's sort of sadness or depression to her abortion.

[283] It took me a long time to open up to the idea I needed more healing.

[284] And ideally make her into an activist.

[285] I really felt I had betrayed God.

[286] Crisis pregnancy centers were set up to aid in this effort.

[287] Which were these anti -abortion clinic -like spaces that were masquerading as abortion providers.

[288] One of the most famous examples of someone who changed sides was Norma McCorvey.

[289] The plaintiff in the court case that made abortion legal, aka Jane Roe.

[290] But now she's having second thoughts.

[291] I've cheated people out of money.

[292] I've sold drugs.

[293] I, you know, I used, I was an abusive alcoholic from, you know, many, many years.

[294] I've done a lot against his teachings that I think the far greater sin that I did was to be the plaintiff in Roe v. Wade.

[295] On her deathbed, McCorvey said that she'd only converted from money and that she'd never really supported the anti -abortion rights cause.

[296] But at the time, her testimony was powerful.

[297] Even though medical data does not actually back up the claims that abortion traumatizes women.

[298] The American Psychiatric Association and the American Medical Association do study after study, and they say, this is not a commonly trauma -inducing experience.

[299] You know, they say this is a syndrome that does not exist.

[300] But the movement is so successful at selling that story that women are damaged by abortion, either mentally or physically, and they're victims.

[301] Between the visceral images of fetuses and the somber stories of women expressing trauma, the movement was hoping to make people outside itself, average Americans, feel uneasy, maybe plant a seat of doubt about the morality of abortion.

[302] It started projecting its story even more widely, selling it not just outside of clinics, but also in the media.

[303] A whole host of movies.

[304] They have children's books.

[305] They have, you know, fetus dolls.

[306] with supposed to be real -feeling skin.

[307] And in the halls of government.

[308] Reagan passes laws giving more room to activists, especially in schools.

[309] State organizers form PACs, political action committees, tried to get anti -abortion rights candidates elected and kept their eyes open for opportunities to take a case to the Supreme Court and maybe have a chance to overturn Roe, or at least chip away at it.

[310] But by the mid -1980s, Roe has been sort of the law of the land for a decade or more.

[311] And all of the movement's efforts hadn't moved the needle much.

[312] So if you were anti -abortion in 1986, you would wonder, like, you know, I've done everything.

[313] I've gone through the traditional levers.

[314] I voted for an anti -abortion president, maybe anti -abortion senators.

[315] And nothing has changed.

[316] This is the moment when a certain segment embraces what they call the rescue movement.

[317] Earlier this month, hundreds affiliated with a group called Operation Rescue staged anti -abortion demonstrations in New York City.

[318] They came from all across the country, from the Midwest, the South, even as far away as California.

[319] Their mission was to end abortion.

[320] The judges, the politicians, they're getting the signal, as is Planned Parenthood, N -O -W, ACLU, etc. Legalized child killings days are numbered.

[321] We will with.

[322] You know, constant harassing phone calls, glue and lull.

[323] sometimes actually going in and chaining themselves to equipment.

[324] We would sit down and, it was, you know, like the sit -in movement in the 60s with the civil rights movement.

[325] It was more or less the same thing.

[326] Some people began, you know, protesting outside of doctor's homes.

[327] Many people in Wichita are calling this the summer of discontent.

[328] But Operation Rescue and the anti -abortion movement are calling it this summer of mercy.

[329] And then there would be arrests, and we just spent time in jail.

[330] Police did arrest 275 protesters at this demonstration.

[331] Trying to get the media to be present, to watch this.

[332] And we spend time in prayer, and we spend time seeing.

[333] Right now, the blood is crying from the ground.

[334] It's crying from the ground here in Binghamton.

[335] They destroyed property.

[336] They put garden hoses on our roof and wrecked the roof.

[337] yeah i had chemicals that they threw the first abortion doctor helped us oh god killed in pentacle of florida march 93rd everyone that's present the young men the young women help us jesus help us to turn the time help us to save children from death about a dozen abortion rights activists saying him burned red candles and held a vigil outside dr george tiller's clinic last night as police investigators look for clues in the shooting One clinic volunteer who didn't want to be identified, so the doctor was shot as he drove away from his office.

[338] It got to a point where then there was really violence at clinics, and, you know, doctors were getting shot.

[339] The National Abortion Federation reported 57 incidents of attempted bombings for arson in 1993.

[340] Two clinics burned to the ground this year.

[341] Acid attacks on property have become common and 119 incidents of stalking clinic employees were reported.

[342] The Attorney General sent two federal marshals to my clinic for six months.

[343] So I guess they thought my life was in danger.

[344] Do you remember a particular incident that just kind of shook you a little bit and made you wonder whether you were in the right field?

[345] Well, I mean, I got threats against my life.

[346] You know, they had targets with the doctor's faces in the middle.

[347] You know, when I'd go into Clint's, sometimes people would throw some bullets and say, you're killing babies, we're going to kill you.

[348] Wow.

[349] We are bound and determined not to lose by the bullet what we had hoped to gain with the ballot.

[350] So one thing that I think a lot of people don't understand is that there has been an undercurrent of violence to the anti -abortion movement since it began.

[351] So even in the 1960s, I found evidence of people sending hate mail, wishing people who were publicly identified as pro -choice or having had an abortion, sending the messages saying, like, you're going to hell, I hope you die, that sort of thing.

[352] But, you know, once it escalates into kidnapping and murder, that really did pose a real problem for the mainstream movement.

[353] They picture me with six guns on my hips and bombs in my hand, you know, that's just not us.

[354] but that's what they want to see.

[355] They had to imagine these people as, you know, what I think the media calls like lone wolves, mentally unstable people, and people who were marginal, not sort of a real part of the movement.

[356] But there will always be those people.

[357] In 1994, Congress overwhelmingly approved the Freedom of Access to Abortion Clinic Entrances Act, which made it a federal crime to use physical force, threaten, or obstruct someone from getting an abortion.

[358] That didn't mean protesters couldn't stand outside of clinics, but there were now more barriers against the worst kind of violence and vandalism.

[359] Despite that, violence would continue to play clinics over the coming decades.

[360] And it put the abortion issue front and center in the national conversation.

[361] With the violent wing of the movement facing more scrutiny, mainstream activists doubled down on their political ambitions, working within the system to make ending abortion and getting rid of Roe, a central issue for the Republican Party.

[362] Coming up, two words paved the way for Roe v. Wade to eventually be overturned.

[363] This is Tom Callahan from Goldsboro, North Carolina, and you're listening to ThruLine on NPR.

[364] Part 3.

[365] Life in America.

[366] More in 47 years of abortion on demand under Roe v. Wade.

[367] Over 60 million little girls and boys intended for this world with a purpose, untold suffering of their mothers, families, and communities.

[368] This is Marjorie Denon Belser, speaking at the March for Life in Washington, D .C. in 2020.

[369] That is not how it works, women's movement.

[370] You can't build rights on the broken bodies and rights of other human beings.

[371] Marjorie is one of the most prominent anti -abortion rights activists in the United States.

[372] Some credit her with being the strategic mind behind the legislative and political success of the anti -abortion rights movement.

[373] But back in the 1980s, when she was in college, even she probably wouldn't have imagined being where she is today.

[374] She was the head of the college Republicans, but she was what she calls pro -choice.

[375] When I was a student at Duke and the head of college Republicans and very pro -choice, I was just in many, many arguments, you know, ranging from embryology, the philosophy, to religion.

[376] And it just became very difficult for me to answer the question, what is that thing?

[377] Meaning the object of an abortion.

[378] That question haunted Marjorie and led to another question.

[379] Is there one person or two people in an abortion?

[380] If there are two people, they both need love and service.

[381] They need medical care.

[382] They need concrete, service, and support.

[383] If it's just a woman and who has surgery, which is the, or a procedure that's the equivalent of an appendectomy or a tonsillectomy, then this argument from the pro -lops side makes no sense.

[384] It's the dumbest rights movement, so -called rights movement, ever.

[385] But if there are two people, it's the most compelling human rights cause.

[386] And I think that is obviously the latter.

[387] She ultimately came to believe the object of an abortion was a person, a human being, and she made it her mission to end abortion in the United States.

[388] Ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming our hero, Marjorie Dannen Felster.

[389] After graduating from Duke, she worked for the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.

[390] And in 1992, she helped start the Susan B. Anthony list, now called Susan.

[391] Susan B. Anthony Pro -Life America.

[392] It's an anti -abortion rights group that advocates for new laws and works to elect politicians who share their views.

[393] The organization is named after Susan B. Anthony, the legendary American feminist activist who fought for women's right to vote.

[394] Here marks in a historic moment in the tough and tender project we share.

[395] The mission of protecting boys and girls waiting to be born and embracing their mothers in need of our love.

[396] We were raising money for pro -life women running for public office.

[397] But as we grew, it became very clear that what was unique to the pro -life movement was our deep, organic roots.

[398] Not necessarily money, but definitely in numbers.

[399] We were massive.

[400] It became quite clear.

[401] We, like our civil rights friends and our sisters and activists before us, will use the tools of democracy.

[402] to write even the worst wrongs that plague our society, and we will form a more perfect union through the power of the pro -life movement.