Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend XX
[0] Hi, my name is Sebastian Anascauco.
[1] And I feel honored about being Conan O 'Brien.
[2] That's very sweet.
[3] All is here, hear the yell, back to school, ring the bell, brand new shoes, walking loose, climb the fence, books and pens.
[4] I can tell that we are going to be friends.
[5] I can tell that we are going to be friends.
[6] Hey, welcome to Conan O 'Brien needs a friend and some exciting stuff to talk about today, joined, as always, by Sonam Obsessian.
[7] Hello.
[8] And the sturdy and reliable Matt Gorley.
[9] Sturdy.
[10] Yeah, he is.
[11] You are.
[12] You are a tugboat beating against the tide.
[13] Is he?
[14] He is.
[15] You are very reliable and you're a good fellow, fine fellow.
[16] You're more fragile.
[17] No, he's fragile but reliable.
[18] Where do you get?
[19] Anyway, he's made of all cartilage.
[20] It's okay.
[21] No actual bones.
[22] You fight both of you.
[23] I have something exciting to talk about.
[24] Enough of this dithering and dathering, which is we announced just a couple of days ago that I have been making this show for HBO Max, which I believe is now called Max.
[25] We'll see what it's called in another few weeks.
[26] It's called Conan O 'Brien Must Go, and it's this idea that's been in the works for quite a while, which you guys are well acquainted with, where, as you know, I do the interviews with celebrities, and those drop on Monday.
[27] But then later in the week, we drop a interview with just anybody out in the world.
[28] Fans.
[29] Fans, just fans.
[30] Not anybody.
[31] Like, they have to know who you are.
[32] Yeah, that's only 98 % of the world's population.
[33] Boo.
[34] Boo, Conan Boo.
[35] No, you're right.
[36] It's fans.
[37] I should be more specific fans of the podcast.
[38] And I've really loved those conversations, and that's where the idea came from, which is just I love talking to people so much.
[39] What if, and I also used to do travel shows that I, that was one of my favorite things that I got to do all those years at TBS.
[40] So the thought originated, what if some of these guests that actually end their interviews where they say, well, come visit sometime, Conan.
[41] Yeah.
[42] And the idea came, what if I just show up?
[43] And so that was the origin for the concept of this show, Conan O 'Brien -Mus -Go.
[44] So we announced it, and they put together a little sizzle reel of some of the episodes that were already in the can.
[45] And people seem excited about it.
[46] You guys, you saw the sizzle reel, right?
[47] It pains me to praise you.
[48] But I just know a lot of other people worked on this.
[49] It looks so good.
[50] It really looks good.
[51] Also, there's a brief glimpse of you and me in there, and that really ups the...
[52] I think that really adds to the show.
[53] Yeah, it's weird, because the data...
[54] says the opposite.
[55] Oh, yeah, you look at the data?
[56] Yeah, I look at the...
[57] Yeah, you really look at that info.
[58] You've never seen data in your life.
[59] No, I'm a big data guy, and I really got in there, and I like micro data and mega data.
[60] And I got in there, and massive drop -offs.
[61] No, it was...
[62] Yeah, it's nice because you see us talking to them, and then suddenly I'm there in their face.
[63] And you surprise them.
[64] Yeah.
[65] Well, it's funny because you try to, and some are easy to...
[66] easier to surprise than others, but it was, we put together this kind of quick, maybe two -minute piece that ran and then tweeted it out.
[67] And the response was really nice.
[68] People seem excited about the show.
[69] The show is, and this is important to point out, the show cannot be completed right now because the WGA, the Writers Guild of America, is on strike.
[70] So we stopped everything.
[71] And I'm really looking forward to finishing the show.
[72] Yeah.
[73] But we're not going to do anything until everything gets resolved and the writers get taken care of.
[74] So we are on hold for the moment.
[75] You traveling is such a, it's, you're so good at traveling.
[76] I mean, you're good at a lot.
[77] You're in a lot of things.
[78] But you're really, when you travel.
[79] You have many strokes when you say anything nice about me. You know what I?
[80] Yeah, you're really funny.
[81] It's so painful it is.
[82] Yeah.
[83] You're going to have a neurologist soon, say Sona, have you been complimenting, Conan recently?
[84] Because there's a lot of dried blood near your cerebellum.
[85] No, but when you travel internationally, there's some of my favorite things that you've ever done.
[86] And this is throughout the course of your whole career.
[87] I like it a lot.
[88] I really enjoy it.
[89] And we have gone to some great locations.
[90] We have some other great locations planned.
[91] So I just find it so kind of reinvigorating to get outside the United States.
[92] And meet people and run into all these people who have no idea who I am and find out what they're up to, what they're doing.
[93] It's just, uh, and you stick out.
[94] I stick out everywhere.
[95] I think, I think I could go to Ireland and stick out.
[96] It's just so weird.
[97] Yeah.
[98] I'm just, I'm just odd looking in so many ways, but, uh, it's yeah, very quickly, uh, identifiable.
[99] But so yeah, Conan O 'Brien must go on Max will be coming up, but not until the writer's strike gets resolved.
[100] Can you talk about where you've been to already, or is that you don't want to?
[101] I think so.
[102] You can see in the Sizzle Rio that the two places we went was to Norway, to visit fans there.
[103] And that went really well.
[104] And then visited some fans in Thailand in Bangkok.
[105] And that was fantastic.
[106] Anyway, it's been a lot of fun making the episodes we've made already, and if you want to see the promo, which is fun, lasts about two minutes.
[107] You can find it easily on YouTube.
[108] On your channel.
[109] On your channel.
[110] Team Coco.
[111] Team Coco.
[112] And it's called Conan O 'Brien Must Go.
[113] And another thing I should bring up is that if you are a fan of this program and you want to talk to myself, Matt, and Sona, that's always possible.
[114] We do it all.
[115] all the time.
[116] And you never know.
[117] I might end up visiting you.
[118] So you can go to team cocoa .com slash call Conan if you would like to reach out to us and have a chat.
[119] Again, that's team cocoa .com slash call Conan.
[120] And you can experience how irritating it is to speak to me in real time.
[121] You have no idea.
[122] You have no idea.
[123] All right, we should get into it.
[124] My guest today is a hilarious comedian.
[125] It was sold out arenas across the country.
[126] Now he has a new movie, which he co -wrote and stars in called About My Father.
[127] And guess who plays his father in this movie?
[128] Robert L. De Niro.
[129] Exactly.
[130] Is it really L?
[131] I don't know.
[132] You just allow, okay.
[133] Maybe he's not making it.
[134] That's like an attorney.
[135] Robert L. De Niro.
[136] I'm excited.
[137] He's here today.
[138] Sebastian Manus Calco.
[139] Listen.
[140] I know we've met.
[141] You've done the show many times.
[142] Yeah, but we haven't really had a relationship outside the show.
[143] It's not like I'm calling you going, what are you doing Friday night?
[144] We're having some wine.
[145] You want to come by.
[146] I just don't know why.
[147] I love it if you had done that.
[148] But you didn't do it for me either.
[149] Well, that's not going to happen.
[150] Sebastian, there are rules, you know.
[151] I was the host of the show.
[152] And so, no matter, you've become huge.
[153] You're massive.
[154] You're as big a comedy star as I can imagine.
[155] But still, you know, because I was the host of those shows, I had to have a wall up.
[156] Okay.
[157] You understand.
[158] I do understand, but my question is being a host of a show like that, right?
[159] And you've got a lot of people coming through the door day in, day out.
[160] Have you made friendships over the years with a lot of your guests?
[161] Yes, I have.
[162] Okay.
[163] I have with a pretty, actually a pretty good number.
[164] You just click with people.
[165] And one of the things that takes is just bumping into them someplace else.
[166] That's usually what has to happen, is you bump into them someplace else.
[167] So I'm sure if I bumped into you and we were hanging out, you would have thought, this is the greatest fucking guy ever met in my life.
[168] And then you would have signaled to the waiter, you know, more wine over here.
[169] And I'd have said, let me get it, Sebastian.
[170] This is on me. And you'd been like, I love this guy.
[171] And then the next thing I'd be at your house.
[172] Yeah.
[173] That would have happened, but we never bumped into each other.
[174] Okay.
[175] Because you were very careful not to bump into me. Yeah, I didn't go out much.
[176] When I was around.
[177] No. You were always out on the town.
[178] And the minute you read Conan O 'Brien's in town, you would lay low.
[179] Yeah.
[180] You would lay low until I passed through.
[181] No, I'm very happy for you.
[182] You know, you're very funny comic.
[183] You are an amazingly successful comedian, and you've done really well as an actor.
[184] And I was trying to think, what is it that Sebastian does that always made me laugh whenever you would come on the show?
[185] I realized today it was, you're amazement.
[186] You do amazement better than most comedians I know.
[187] You're totally amazed by how screwed up or fucked up something is.
[188] And that is a big part of your personality.
[189] You stretch it out.
[190] Your physicality is really great.
[191] Your personality, like, inflates when you're saying, what's going on with this?
[192] I don't understand.
[193] And there are a lot of comedians that do what's going on with blank.
[194] Your amazement is, you're the Olivier of amazement, I think.
[195] You really are.
[196] Do you know what I'm talking about?
[197] Yeah, yeah.
[198] I'm constantly shocked and amazed at, You know, whether it be human behavior or situations or what have you.
[199] I just have an exaggerated way of looking at things.
[200] It's been the way I've kind of looked at life since I was a kid.
[201] So it's not like it's something that I'm putting on for, I mean, obviously, it's comedy, so you have to exaggerate a little bit.
[202] But the seed of it is coming from complete awe and shock of what I'm seeing.
[203] So, yeah, that tends to be kind of the.
[204] the core of the comedy.
[205] But you know what's great is you tie it in with your history as an Italian -American.
[206] You know, your dad, I know, and we'll get to this because it's a huge part of your movie.
[207] And I cannot believe you got Robert De Niro to play your dad.
[208] I mean, this is most...
[209] There are people out there that say, I want to make a movie about my life.
[210] I'll find someone to play my dad.
[211] And I don't even want to know who I would be able to get.
[212] Oh.
[213] My wheels are turning.
[214] I know your wheels are turning.
[215] It would not be Robert De Niro.
[216] Orville Redenbach.
[217] But, yes, we all do that.
[218] We exaggerate.
[219] We take who we are, really, and then we turn up the knob to like 15 for the comedic sake.
[220] But the core of it is pure.
[221] And what you do is it feels it's a very Italian attitude.
[222] attitude about what the fuck is this all about.
[223] Yeah, it's in the culture.
[224] So the upbringing and my father is a huge part of my comedy just because, you know, it came from Sicily.
[225] He's when he was 15 years old and he brought a lot of those old world values to America with them.
[226] And then in the upbringing, those kind of values were passed on to me. And, yeah, it's just, I noticed Italian people.
[227] I just did a TV show and the other actress on the TV.
[228] TV show was Italian.
[229] And when Italians get together, it's almost like other people are looking at us and it's like we speak like dolphins.
[230] They don't even know the, they don't even know the communication.
[231] Like they're like, I thought there was going to be a fight that was going to break out at any minute when you guys were talking.
[232] But it was, you know, we kind of just know there's a familiar way to how we communicate with one another.
[233] And then when we start speaking outside of the culture, A lot of people tend to see it and go, oh, this is a different kind of take on life.
[234] And the take comes from pretty much my dad.
[235] Yeah.
[236] It was a huge personality and has a lot to say.
[237] And I don't know.
[238] I just took basically what we were talking about at the kitchen table as a kid and then made a living out of it.
[239] I have said for many years that it all starts at the kitchen table.
[240] I think you've said that there's almost a negativity with an Italian point of view that's built.
[241] in.
[242] Is that true?
[243] Constantly negative.
[244] Everything is always bad.
[245] Nothing is ever good.
[246] We can't talk about it being good, because if you talk about being good, something bad is going to happen.
[247] So that's, it's just so sad.
[248] It's just the way it is.
[249] Yeah.
[250] Yeah, it's like, I now have trouble enjoying the fruits of my labor, right?
[251] I don't know if you guys have this problem, but like, I'm at a point in my life where I should really be extremely happy about what's happening to me. Yeah.
[252] Yet there is a, you know, part of me that is always kind of looking for the next thing.
[253] And am I doing enough, you know, like, am I, it's just, I got a podcast.
[254] Is it good enough?
[255] I'm doing a TV show.
[256] Is it good enough?
[257] So I can't sit there and relax.
[258] Right.
[259] And I don't know if that's just me or is that people who get to a certain level in their career and feel like they got to maintain that level or and you can't relax until i'm reading this book called die with zero right because i'm having an issue with uh spending money and the issue being you're spending too much you're not spending it i don't know what to spend like i like i didn't i grew up working middle class right and it was the money was a huge topic in our house and it was always save.
[260] Save your money because you don't know if your tongue is going to fall out and you can't do this anymore, right?
[261] Which does happen.
[262] I wouldn't worry about that one particular thing.
[263] Give yourself a break on that.
[264] Yeah, yeah.
[265] During COVID, you weren't worried at all about COVID.
[266] You were worried, don't worry, you're clear on COVID.
[267] My tongue!
[268] The tongue could go at any time.
[269] What?
[270] Yeah.
[271] Well, I mean, COVID.
[272] was a great example.
[273] It's like you save for a rainy day, right?
[274] And the rainy day came.
[275] And I was still going, you know, like, I didn't even use the savings.
[276] Right.
[277] I was just trying to figure out how I could make money and, and live off whatever, doing corporate zooms, you know?
[278] That's what I was doing.
[279] I wasn't doing like stand up in my living room, but it would be like a moderator asking me questions and I would be making the company laugh.
[280] On Zooms.
[281] I did like 38 at these things.
[282] Oh, my God.
[283] Over COVID.
[284] Let me just put this in context for our listeners who don't know.
[285] And many people are aware of your massive success.
[286] You sold out four shows at Madison Square Garden.
[287] That's insane.
[288] That's an insane achievement.
[289] That's you and a microphone sold out Madison Square Garden, four of them.
[290] How many of those people were on Zoom, though?
[291] Yeah, half.
[292] To be fair, they put a lot of TV.
[293] TV screens, TV screens.
[294] Look at me. Hi, everybody.
[295] I'm 60.
[296] I don't know if you've met me. I think that works.
[297] I think that works.
[298] When I zoom, it's a TV.
[299] I was picturing televisions with rabbit ears in a Zoom coming over.
[300] Sitting in the seats?
[301] The televisions are in the seats.
[302] Let's just let it go.
[303] But my point is, Sebastian, I'm just wanted to put it in context for people that you've had this insane.
[304] This isn't, there are plenty of people in the business that book a sitcom, but they're being careful with their money, or this or that.
[305] You've had an unprecedented level of success that I can promise you right now is not going anywhere.
[306] You have talent and ability, and it's not going anywhere, and you have a devout following.
[307] But it's fascinating to me that when it stops for a little bit, you're thinking, oh, my God, how am I going to make the rent?
[308] And to me, that is, this is a very common situation.
[309] And I do think that it may not be a coincidence that your dad immigrated here because, I mean, famously, Bob Hope, you know, biggest comedian maybe of the 20th century, he came from, he emigrated from Wales as a kid and was incredibly poor growing up and tried to make it as a boxer and his family were like stonemasons.
[310] I mean, he had nothing, and he scrounged and scrounged and scrounged and finally made it, and then bought up all the orange grows in California when he started making money.
[311] And by the time he's in his 90s, he's, I think, the richest entertainer in the United States of America.
[312] He's just an incredibly wealthy man. And I know for a fact that he would go into the valley with coupons for Carl's Jr. And to me, it's that shit doesn't go away.
[313] And although you didn't experience that maybe firsthand, you inherit it from your dad.
[314] And it's very powerful.
[315] Yeah.
[316] So, I mean, to me, it makes sense that you're that way.
[317] Yeah.
[318] But my whole challenge now is I got like one foot living in that world and I got a one foot living in the world I'm in right now.
[319] And I'm trying to like just be a little bit more relaxed when it comes to, you know, enjoying my success.
[320] I guess that's the struggle I'm having at this current point.
[321] right in my life it's a good problem yeah it's a good problem but i know what you mean and i recommend medication a lot of it and all kinds don't even just get it from other people i'm not don't even see a psychopharmacologist i think just get it random pills from other people and try them out okay terrible advice well i think it's he should do it immediately okay yeah what do you think drives you now because you have had so much success for a long time, but I can tell you take this very seriously and you were very driven.
[322] Is that your dad's work ethic?
[323] Yeah, that was instilled in me at a young age, just like work.
[324] You got to work, you got to go out.
[325] I mean, I was working at Fudd Rockers when I was 14 years old.
[326] That was one of my first jobs and never really stopped working since I was 14.
[327] So, yeah, that definitely comes from my father.
[328] and uh you know i don't know for me i felt like it was extremely fun coming up through the clubs and getting my first spot on your show and and and doing these things for the first time no one really knowing who i was it was exciting now it's a little the pressure is a little bit higher to you know kind of maintain the standard you know right keep the jokes as good as they were you know that's the whole thing it's like You know, I did a comedy special that came out on Netflix this year, and I got kind of, like, people like, eh, it's not as good as your, that, that, or it's not as good as this, or not as good as that.
[329] So that never really happened to me before.
[330] And not that I'm sitting there looking at, you know, what people are saying, but you've got to be a fool not to, like, put your ear to the ground and go, is this hitting with people?
[331] I mean, are people kind of getting this?
[332] And I'm trying something different.
[333] You know, I normally am a physical comedian, so this one I want, like, let me throw it back.
[334] to the rat pack and wear a tuxedo.
[335] I don't wear a tuxedo because it kind of hinders my movement.
[336] I'm not as comfortable.
[337] But I'm like, I'm going to do something different, you know?
[338] And, you know, I got some backlash of, oh, he's not as physical as he once was.
[339] I'm 50.
[340] No sympathy in this room.
[341] We all fought in the Korean War.
[342] Everyone in this room.
[343] I died in the Korean War.
[344] Yeah, yeah.
[345] And as a ghost, you're old.
[346] He's an old, out -of -shaped ghost.
[347] A ghost with a low back problem.
[348] That's the other thing, too, is to me, the biggest driving thing is, if someone's disappointed with something I've done, it makes me physically ill. It's that fear of failure, which doesn't diminish.
[349] You'd think it would diminish, and it doesn't.
[350] And if I'm someplace and it's a small group and I'm supposed to go up and give a toast or something, I get anxious.
[351] And if I feel like the toast wasn't good enough.
[352] And people are like, what are you talking about a toast?
[353] You know, it's, you know, what are you worried about that for?
[354] I don't think that goes away.
[355] No, that's with you.
[356] I could relate to that.
[357] My kid just had a birthday party.
[358] And I got on the microphone to kind of like, because we were going to play these games, these old school games at my kid's birthday party.
[359] So I got on the microphone, hey, everybody, we're going to do that.
[360] And I got off and I go, Oh, my God.
[361] I just felt like I, I loved.
[362] them down, you know, professional, professional comedian.
[363] It wasn't as good as last year's kid's birthday party.
[364] All you're doing is saying the pin the tail on the donkeys over here on the right, and the dunking board is over there, and the bouncy castle, you know, that's all you're there to do.
[365] Ah, no, I should have started with the bouncy party.
[366] Then you elevate to the donkey shit.
[367] Absolutely.
[368] And, you know, now that we're talking about this, this really, this happened last week.
[369] at my daughter's birthday, and my wife and I went in to, I guess, the parents read to the class on the day of the birthday of the kid.
[370] So we walk in, and we had our daughter's favorite book, and the plan was my wife was going to read half of it, and I was going to read half of it.
[371] So my wife starts to read the book, and she's burning through the book.
[372] I'm just like, and I'm looking at this as a, you know, as kids, you know.
[373] And I go, get me, give me the book.
[374] And I've never read to kids before.
[375] It's a group of six -year -olds.
[376] I've never read to them before.
[377] I started getting into the book, and then I start, like, incorporating the kids and doing my own lines from the book.
[378] We hate Veronica, don't we?
[379] And I told the teacher, I go, I'd love to read to the kids every Friday if I could.
[380] Can I be a TA?
[381] Yeah.
[382] But I just think it's in eight.
[383] It's in us to, if we get a group of people, I think it's in eight for us to like, not disappoint.
[384] It's so funny you bring that up.
[385] We're going to have to hang out and get wine.
[386] I'm sorry because there's too much common ground here.
[387] But when my daughter was younger, it was read to the kids day.
[388] And I went over.
[389] And this was to the, over to the school.
[390] You remember this.
[391] And I went over there and I had a story to read.
[392] And the story, I remember looking at it, it's only like nine pages long because the kids are little.
[393] And I was like, there's not much to work with here.
[394] I remember thinking that, like flipping through it.
[395] Like, all I've got is nine pages.
[396] So what is, I go to sit down and they go, okay, now, you know, Nev's dad, Mr. O 'Brien.
[397] And I sit down and I notice that there's this like stuffed dragon right behind me whose face is kind of looking at me. So I kept doing these physical takes before I even read the book.
[398] I was like, well, kids, nice to see you.
[399] And, oh, God.
[400] Oh, God.
[401] started laughing really hard so I kept doing all this shtick with the dragon and it was doing really well and the teacher the teacher came up the teacher came up I'll never forget and she put her hand on my shoulder and said you just read the book you just read the book and I was looking at her like you kidding this is killing you don't step on that you know but I know exactly what you're talking about Which is that neat, you know, it's something, this is something else I want to talk about because there's so many things, it's something I really appreciate about you, is that you have your performing persona and I've noticed whenever I'd came in and talked to you in the dressing room beforehand or afterwards or even when I talked to here today at the podcast, you are a very quiet, thoughtful man. And I'm curious if you encounter, you're so well known out in the world when you're yourself, with your family, with the kids, are there people that want that other Sebastian?
[402] Do you know what I mean?
[403] And you are a very dignified, intelligent, quiet guy who is not performing at this moment.
[404] Yeah.
[405] Yeah, I, you know, yeah, people do think that's who I am on an everyday basis, you know, kind of, not loud, but like overexpressive and whatnot when I get together with you, we're just kind of talking, it's normal and what have you.
[406] So, Yeah, listen, I'm not life at a party by any means, all right?
[407] And I think that's the misconception with some comedians where they go, invite the comedian's going to make the room laugh.
[408] You know, if you invite me over to your house and there's other people there that I don't know, I tend to be, you know, Alan's call it shy.
[409] It just, I tend to, it takes me a while to warm up to the group.
[410] Yeah.
[411] Even when I do these things, right, these podcasts, which I don't do a lot of them, just because, I mean, I don't know, I just feel like is this going to be an environment where I'm going to be comfortable to kind of be myself and, like, express my feelings.
[412] And then obviously with U -6, I fit right in here.
[413] We like to think it's a welcoming environment.
[414] No, but like sometimes you go in, it's like, I don't, you know, I don't know.
[415] Well, also, I've noticed that a lot of people think comedy is a thing.
[416] Like, you hire a plumber, they come over.
[417] Oh, I see what the problem is and they fix it.
[418] I remember early on where people, you know, the corporate event.
[419] Corporate events, generally speaking, are notorious for this.
[420] We're like, yeah, no, we're going to have a comedian.
[421] And then you get there and then it's just a dance floor and then the people.
[422] You know, it's like you've got to have the people near me. You know, you can't be, you know, 45.
[423] feet away.
[424] Right.
[425] You're not Mussolini.
[426] Yeah.
[427] You know.
[428] You need people.
[429] Yes, exactly.
[430] Exactly.
[431] So then you would have to do a quick adjustment and I'm going to go, all right, I'm going to perform now on the dance floor.
[432] Now I'm going to have to go, you know, and so you got to make it right.
[433] And it works in life too, I think.
[434] You know, sometimes I think you're in a situation where it's a social setting.
[435] And, you know, maybe the expectation is, you know, for you to be funny.
[436] But you have a look at the environment and this, this ain't, this ain't the environment for me to like excel here.
[437] So that, that's, Then I go, I'm like a shut in, I don't say nothing.
[438] And then my wife's like, why aren't you talk?
[439] And I go, it's just, it's not right.
[440] You know, like, it's, it's, I don't know.
[441] I feel uncomfortable sometimes around like, I went to a birthday party yesterday, kids' birthday party, right?
[442] I just, I don't know.
[443] I just felt like I'm just going to hang out my kids here because I just didn't feel like any, like, pockets or any situations where I could get involved and really kind of.
[444] Start to get something cooking.
[445] Yeah.
[446] Yes, I know exactly what you're talking about.
[447] I was at an event that I was supposed to, that I'd emceived.
[448] It was a really good cause.
[449] I was to raise money for wounded military vets.
[450] So it's a great cause, and I was really glad to do it.
[451] It's this big event.
[452] I'll never forget I'm backstage, and I'm going to go out, and I know what I'm going to do.
[453] Just before I went out, they came out, and they played taps.
[454] Oh, shit.
[455] Dan, dun, dun, you know, and they play taps, and the whole room gets really solemn, and then a voice of God just went, Ladies and gentlemen, Conan O 'Brien.
[456] This is like, this is the, this is like a dare, you know.
[457] How do I get from where we are now, which is very sacred and solemn and appropriate, but why did you, why did you want a comedian to come on after that?
[458] Yeah, it's difficult to come out to that environment.
[459] I did something similar to a 9 -11 gig, and they show a video at 9 -11, and then the people and this and that, and then please welcome, Sebastian, and I come out, and I'm like, okay, you know, let's get into my dad.
[460] My dad?
[461] Or also, you're doing comedy about how you've had a hard day.
[462] Oh, boy, the day I've had.
[463] Oh, really?
[464] Did two towers collapse?
[465] Oh, shit.
[466] And thousands and thousands of people.
[467] Hold on, hold on.
[468] I know, I know, but let me talk about my day.
[469] I mean, it's just impossible.
[470] Yeah.
[471] It's like a Harry Houdini thing where it's like, we're going to take Sebastian Mascoco and wrap chains around him and put him in a bank vault and throw him in the Hudson River and then let's see if he can get out.
[472] I know that like me, you probably grew up very Roman Catholic.
[473] Yeah.
[474] Did you do the whole nine yards were you, uh, choir boy, you know?
[475] Alter boy.
[476] Did the funerals.
[477] Did you do the funerals?
[478] No, I was the, because they could tell that I could actually enunciate pretty well.
[479] They made me the, what's called the lectern, which is the, the guy.
[480] who reads, you know, certain passages.
[481] We didn't have that.
[482] Yeah, well, they would, you know, it's usually like the priest does it, but they would have someone step in and read a couple of passages.
[483] And they were like, this guy can enunciate.
[484] And he knows how.
[485] Literally, they're like, this kid enunciates.
[486] And in Boston, nobody enunciates.
[487] You know, everyone else just sounded like they had a bunch of clamshells in their mouth.
[488] And then I, in the corner, I was saying, and on the third day, he wrote.
[489] In fulfillment of the scripture He's seated at the right hand of the father He'll come again in glory To judge the living and the dead You're like, we gotta use this guy You know, so they had me doing that But I envied the You know, like you get to ring the bells I didn't get to ring the bells That was a bell guy That was a...
[490] You sound like I'm a bell, I'm a bell guy Yeah, bragging, yeah It's like I'm getting guys for a bank job Do we have a bell guy?
[491] I'm a bell guy.
[492] I held the water.
[493] You ever held the water for the...
[494] No. No, would they fling the water at people?
[495] Yeah, so I had the little bucket and thing.
[496] Yeah, I did the whole thing over at St. Cecilia Parish in 1985, so yeah.
[497] Wow, you guys are so cool.
[498] Yeah, aren't we?
[499] You were at St. Cecilia's in 85, huh?
[500] I was at St. Ignatians.
[501] St. Lawrence.
[502] I worked a couple of churches.
[503] This is the 70s.
[504] I'm an older guy than you, but the 70s was really the time to be in a Catholic church.
[505] I'll tell you something.
[506] All of our priests, you know, were pretty much, they were either Italian or Irish, but we had one guy whose thing was to, he had always had change in his pocket.
[507] And as he was, and he was real like a club comic.
[508] And he would jingle the change in his pocket and walk around and, you know, and give.
[509] the homily and it was always into like a very foxy and kind of working jokes in and stuff and then he'd always end the at and end the uh mass by saying uh they're supposed to just say you know uh so go in peace to love and serve the lord you know that's what they're supposed to do at the end of the mass and be like go in peace to love and serve the lord have a nice day have a nice week see you around what's jesus think about this ending different did you do confession did you go to confession did confession i always froze in confession i didn't know what to say i would make shit up oh really yeah i would say i murdered a man and so i mean i would say anything but i never i don't i didn't confess anything real oh i mean there's nothing going on back then where you're like i didn't walk in when i was 13 and say oh yeah committed adultery i mean there's none of that it was it was i coveted my neighbor's wife you got to see this broad Yeah, no, I did, I did all that.
[510] I did the confession.
[511] I went every Sunday, you know, did the, gave the money.
[512] Of course, my, my, being Italian, we just give the money, and we never put it in the envelope that you're supposed to put it in.
[513] They give you, like, an envelope, you put it in, you know, and then you put your name, so you gave, you just peel it off, just a, just a crisp 20 right into the, uh...
[514] Nice.
[515] That made me think of, like, some wise -ass kid It was Christmas time, and they had this beautiful crush, you know, the little manger, and there was a, you know, everyone's gathered around Mary and, you know, everyone's there.
[516] They've all, they're the shepherds, the wise men, the sheep, the donkey, and they're all looking over in great reverence.
[517] And someone, some wise ass had taken the baby Jesus out and put a $20 bill down.
[518] So it looked like, oh.
[519] they're all it's the almighty dollar and i remember really thinking that was funny and my mom swatting me saying no that's not funny but uh i don't think they ever found that jesus let me ask you about this because you've done something that is pretty extraordinary you've made a movie that's about you and your father and it's called about my father and as i mentioned earlier so much to talk about here but you did an extraordinary thing.
[520] You cast, and when I say cast, it'd make it sound like De Niro was hoping he got the part.
[521] He did he audition?
[522] Try it again, Bob.
[523] Bob, try it again.
[524] Bob, it's between you and two other guys, but I think you did a pretty good job.
[525] What does your father think about Robert De Niro playing him?
[526] Yeah, so we wrote the movie, my writing partner, Austin Earl, and I wrote the movie.
[527] We kind of have the same pattern of life in the sense that we've both married into money and we've always kind of wrote about this life of two guys who kind of married a better cut of cloth in our wives.
[528] So the movie kind of centers around my father and I going to a country club environment which I do every summer.
[529] My wife family has a home in North Carolina that we go to country club, white.
[530] You know, when I show up, I look like I cut the lawn.
[531] I'm like, I'm dark.
[532] You know, what I'm saying?
[533] So, uh, sometimes you do cut the lawn.
[534] Just because you're like, I think I could do that better than that guy.
[535] So it's just kind of these two worlds kind of colliding.
[536] The movie centers around that.
[537] But, uh, the Niro, listen, we never set out to get him.
[538] We didn't write the movie with him in mind.
[539] You just don't even think that's a possibility, right?
[540] And then once I worked with him and the Irishman, and then he subsequently came to see me do comedy at Radio City Music Hall.
[541] He came backstage.
[542] We talked a little bit.
[543] And I'm sure you've met the man. He's not, like, highly engaging as far as conversation.
[544] He's, you know, kind of quiet to himself.
[545] So it's not like, you know, we had wine together.
[546] I don't have wine with nobody.
[547] So it's not like we had, like, a social relationship.
[548] But we sent him the script, and he really gravitated towards it.
[549] and he wanted to read it out loud with a bunch of actors.
[550] So we sat down, we did a table read.
[551] And then after that, he made the decision that he wanted to do it.
[552] Now, De Niro being the guy, the actor that he is, wanted to hang out with my dad.
[553] Wow.
[554] Now.
[555] That's crazy.
[556] Yeah.
[557] Because he's method.
[558] He wants to, you know, this is about your dad.
[559] He wants to spend time with your dad and absorb this man's characteristics.
[560] Yeah.
[561] So they get on the phone.
[562] And he wants him to come to Oklahoma.
[563] where De Niro is shooting the movie with Scorsese and DiCaprio.
[564] And my dad, who's a hairstylist, is going to go.
[565] First, he's bitching that he's got to take off work.
[566] For this bullshit.
[567] I got a die job and a blowout on Friday.
[568] So he goes to Oklahoma, and he goes to De Niro's home there that he's rented for the movie.
[569] And De Niro's asking him, when you wear your hat, how do you wear your hat?
[570] And my father's like, oh, I wear it like this.
[571] And when you smoke a cigar, how do you smoke it?
[572] Then he wanted to know some Italian, Sicilian slang that De Niro wanted to put in there.
[573] And, you know, and I'm dying to hear how this is going.
[574] I mean, you have to understand, this is a guy that had posters on my wall growing up, De Niro.
[575] Of course, yeah.
[576] Casino, good fellas.
[577] My dad and I, watch this guy, and now he's playing.
[578] My father.
[579] So, for me, I'm trying to wrap my head around it.
[580] So afterwards, I said, you got to call me as soon as you get out of there.
[581] All right?
[582] So he calls me. How was it?
[583] Yeah, how was it?
[584] He got me there four hours.
[585] My dad's bitching about the hours.
[586] Wow.
[587] Then he's asking me, you know, like, am I getting paid for this?
[588] I'm getting like a little something for the, I go, Dad, I don't.
[589] That's so perfect.
[590] You know, like, I mean, listen, he was, he was, I mean, he was beside himself.
[591] Yeah.
[592] But, you know, there's also that, you know, way we grew up of, you know, I'm going to lose clients and I'm here and this and that, you know, I think.
[593] And he's on set because De Niro want him on set because there's a, there's a scene in the movie where we're in a hair salon and De Niro being the actor that he has wanted to know how to do a dye job with the foil.
[594] So my dad is teaching De Niro, the de Foil, and this and that.
[595] I'm looking at this going, this is, the salon looked like the salon I grew up in with my father.
[596] And now he's teaching De Niro how to do hair.
[597] And I'm like, I was just so proud that my dad was alive to see this all going down, right?
[598] So De Niro didn't want him to leave.
[599] Just that.
[600] He's like, where are you going?
[601] He's like, I go back to work.
[602] We don't go back to work.
[603] Tomorrow, we've got another scene.
[604] And dad's like, why?
[605] I got a bum.
[606] So, that's fantastic.
[607] Yeah.
[608] So now that they want to use my father in a lot of this promotion that we're doing for the movie.
[609] So we're doing, my father and I are going on Kimmel together.
[610] And, you know, this is like my father's, really excited about him being involved in the press, which I was nervous about because my father's a type of guy where when we're hanging around a group of people, he's a life at a party.
[611] As soon as a camera pops on him, he kind of goes into a shell.
[612] However, we did a press event in Las Vegas, and they were asking him questions.
[613] And I was like, well, this guy is like, my dad speaks broken English because, you know, he's from Sicily.
[614] And he's answering questions.
[615] I'm like, this guy, we need a camera on him to speak proper English?
[616] I mean, the, oh, suddenly.
[617] Suddenly, he's like pronouncing words right, right.
[618] So, we got, he's another enunciator.
[619] We got another enunciator.
[620] That's fantastic.
[621] So, yeah, we, we shot the movie in Alabama, which was difficult for me just because, you know, I got two small kids.
[622] I was going to be there for eight weeks.
[623] And, you know, I was wrestling with like, God, you know, like, again, me thinking, overthinking things.
[624] This is a great opportunity, yes, but then I'm also thinking I should be home.
[625] I'm a father.
[626] What the hell am I doing in Alabama?
[627] You know, got to be with my kids.
[628] But, uh...
[629] I don't know what you're talking about.
[630] That's all bullshit.
[631] Those kids do better when I'm not around.
[632] They thrive when I'm not.
[633] Yeah, but I know what you mean.
[634] I know what you mean.
[635] Yeah, I mean, I'm a family guy.
[636] So anyway, it was an unbelievable experience.
[637] It was a acting lesson for me for seven, eight weeks, however long we shot this movie, there was a time where I had a cry.
[638] Now, listen, I'm a sensitive guy.
[639] I could cry, you know, in just conversation.
[640] But to do it like in a movie, I never did this before.
[641] And now I'm doing it with arguably one of the best actors of our time.
[642] he comes and when he's supposed to cry in the scene he's crying right and i ain't crying i go where is it it ain't coming and i'm looking at him like uh like almost like a fan i go this guy's crying i'm cute can't you just grab one of his tears that's what i would do the minute no one's looking get a de nero tear yeah i was hoping i could get some spill off but uh and then they said cut and then did it again still didn't cry and then i told him i go bro i got to talk to you man i i need help here so me and him privately go there was an airplane scene we go into the airplane together and i go i can't can't get there and he goes well i didn't know you know i was going to tell you know i'm going to give you some advice but i didn't know your process they ain't no process guy i'm just hoping this clicks in So, you know, there's no method or nothing like that.
[643] I'm just doing the lines hoping I could get sad.
[644] That is the method, actually.
[645] So.
[646] So he gave you advice?
[647] Yeah, no, he's like, what I do is I think of my son.
[648] And in telling me the story, he starts crying.
[649] Oh, my God.
[650] Now, I crying, because he's crying about talking about his son.
[651] I go, I got to use this.
[652] And I get out of the plane.
[653] And I'm supposed to be out of breath during the scene.
[654] Now, I got sciatica ripping through my right leg, right?
[655] And I don't really run because of the pain.
[656] Now I'm running, crying with sciatica on a tarmac, trying to get out of breath, right?
[657] So I come into the scene and I'm crying already, but I'm not supposed to be.
[658] But I'm like, fuck it.
[659] This, you know.
[660] Use this.
[661] I'm bawling throughout the city.
[662] Cut.
[663] All right, we're going to do it again.
[664] Again, guys, that's all I got.
[665] We're going to do it again.
[666] I'm going to do this nine times.
[667] You need to rehydrate.
[668] That's fantastic.
[669] Yeah, it was a lot of things.
[670] I mean, it's just the way he, just the way he, you know, I learned like when you're acting to have an activity.
[671] A lot of times I would just get my mark, do it a line.
[672] and that would be it but he's like okay what am i doing here am i playing with that you know like just using the environment yes yeah which you know as a you know an actor who doesn't i don't do this a lot so i picked up a lot of nuances from him and then applied it to this tv show i just did which definitely helped so being around him you just almost absorb a lot of this um just by watching the man works i'm sure you were heavily involved in editing and you know were you allowed to be in there I was a lot.
[673] I went in there.
[674] I didn't like dig deep into the editing.
[675] There was moments I go, I think there was a better take and we looked at that.
[676] But I was like, not the whole like day in, day out editing of a film.
[677] I wasn't heavily involved in that, no. My experience is whenever I say, what about that other take that was really funny, guys will just look at me and go, yeah, we looked at it.
[678] It's not funny.
[679] And then I just, my penis retracts up into my body.
[680] It takes months to lure it back out again.
[681] Put out little crackers and stuff for it.
[682] A 1980s playboy, Adrian Barbeau.
[683] Nothing.
[684] I said too much.
[685] A little bit more.
[686] Yeah.
[687] I could talk to you forever.
[688] I'm a big fan of your work.
[689] You really make me laugh.
[690] But I also appreciate that you are a very thoughtful guy.
[691] And you are someone who has taken his career really seriously and made it all happen through sheer force of will and a ton of talent, but put a lot of work into what you've done.
[692] And I hope that you are able to find moments of relaxation.
[693] And that's, I think, there's no such thing as I want to get to the point where I'm just blissfully happy all the time because that means you've had a neurological accident, you know?
[694] But what I'm hoping for is that you get better, and better at finding moments where you say, Jesus Christ, look what I've done and enjoy and say, yeah, I'm gonna get the biggest lobster they have here.
[695] Without the coupon.
[696] Hey, Sebastian, thank you so much for being here, and I'm excited for about my father.
[697] I think that's so cool.
[698] Thank you, and one more thing before we leave.
[699] After we take the headphones off, right?
[700] We're gonna do this, and then you're, oh, that was fun.
[701] guys and say yeah um can get your number look you just you just cross you just crossed you just crossed a line you just crossed a line and what if you just said that and four security guards walked in quietly yes you will get my number okay you will get my number and then we got to get wine at some point yeah no we we we have a lot of parties at the house small nice nice group of people you come up and I'm going to be loud and joky, even if I don't feel it.
[702] Even if I don't feel like the mood is right.
[703] If someone's up there talking about a disease, they just got diagnosed with, I'm still going to go for it.
[704] I think these are all children's birthday parties.
[705] Oh, give me a crack.
[706] I kill it those things.
[707] I kill.
[708] All right.
[709] Well, thank you very much.
[710] You got it.
[711] It was great.
[712] Thanks.
[713] Thanks for having me. It's not hard to.
[714] I just came out like I need to go, go, go.
[715] Ready?
[716] Okay.
[717] No, go.
[718] Just go.
[719] Roll.
[720] Okay, Sona's laughing really hard, and for good reason, ladies and gentlemen, Sona, don't cover up your mouth.
[721] Your laughter is the fuel for this podcast.
[722] I was just recently on the East Coast, and Sona, I got gerbled.
[723] You got gerbled.
[724] I got gerbled.
[725] Okay, this is true.
[726] God, this is the hardest I've seen Sona laughing a while.
[727] I totally got gerbled.
[728] For anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about, I put it out there recently, as many of you know, the way for any fan of the podcast or regular listener to let me know when they see me strolling around and, man, I'm hard to miss, is to shout out, Katakai as God made her.
[729] Katakai just works, but so many people shout out Katakai as God made her.
[730] And I think you guys have been with me, but ask anyone who walks around with me, Adam, you've seen this happen.
[731] When I walk around, so many people shout out catechai.
[732] It's happened to me. It's happened to you?
[733] Yes, it's happened to me. Everywhere I go, I hear a catechai, and I always turn and go, yes!
[734] I saw it in San Francisco.
[735] You saw it in San Francisco.
[736] That's right.
[737] Eduardo, you and I were walking around San Francisco, as we often do together.
[738] We have our little weekends.
[739] That's our business.
[740] It's nice.
[741] We feel accepted there.
[742] And anyway, recently, I was talking to someone on the podcast, and I brought up, you guys, were here for this, that one of the early guests on the late night show, actor Mickey Rooney, who in 1940 was the biggest star in the world.
[743] And Mickey Rooney came on the show and I was talking to him.
[744] He got off track on something and he was trying to talk about, he wanted to come up with the name Richard Gere.
[745] And he was saying, that actor, you know, the actor.
[746] What was his, what was that actor's name?
[747] And of course, there's that famous rumor about Richard Gere.
[748] So I'm trying to think, like, well, what actor are we talking about here?
[749] And Andy and I at the time, this is like, 1993.
[750] This might be the fall of 1993.
[751] We're both children doing this late night show.
[752] And we're trying really hard to help him come up with the name.
[753] We're like, well, who is it?
[754] Who is it?
[755] And Mickey Rooney said, all the sudden says, and he says it very ominously.
[756] Like he's telling a ghost story, there was talk of charbles.
[757] And immediately, Andy starts howling.
[758] I start howling.
[759] And we say, Richard Geer.
[760] And he's like, that's right, Richard Geer.
[761] And so.
[762] We then decided, we start laughing, and then we decided there was talk of gerbils should be the new Catechai.
[763] Categai has been retired.
[764] And the new one is there's talk of gerbils.
[765] Now, that episode, I think, had just gone out.
[766] And where am I?
[767] I'm in New York City.
[768] And, of course, it's very crowded.
[769] It's, you know, spring has sprung.
[770] Everyone's out and around.
[771] The weather's perfect.
[772] I'm in midtown because I go to Sirius to record the podcast there.
[773] And I'm walking along on I just here.
[774] there was talk of gerbils.
[775] And I was like, yes!
[776] And then I turned around and I walked over and I hugged the guy.
[777] Oh.
[778] I gave the guy a hug, which, by the way, he seemed happy with the hug.
[779] Had I sensed any reluctance, I would have let go after 15 minutes.
[780] I think someone who's going to yell there was talk of gerbils out loud in public is going to be fine with a hug.
[781] Yeah, he's happy with the hug.
[782] Anyway, I told him he was the first.
[783] Wow.
[784] Did it take you a second to process it or did you immediately?
[785] know what that was from i immediately i immediately knew i immediately knew and i turned around and there he was and uh very nice uh young fellow uh maybe maybe 20s 30s but i just i just immediately was like i had to tell you you are the first and then it happened one or two other times while it was in new york city and i thought it's spreading there was talk of gerbils you're reigniting that rumor.
[786] I bet Richard Beer's really happy.
[787] I know.
[788] Well, maybe the brass ring will be to get Richard Gear to yell it to you in public.
[789] You know, there's only one person angrier than Richard Gear right now, and that's the gerbil.
[790] Okay.
[791] He still lives.
[792] The gerbil finally.
[793] Oh, yeah, no, no, these gerbils live live a long time.
[794] I would have thought the whole thing itself would have killed him.
[795] No, no, no, no, they don't suffocate.
[796] No, no, lots of nutrients up there.
[797] Anyway, and so, uh, no, somewhere there's a gerbil with a, uh, I think we know where it is.
[798] No, no, he's gone.
[799] He's long.
[800] He's gone.
[801] He burrowed out.
[802] Yeah.
[803] He's constantly texting Richard Gere, and Richard Gere isn't returning his text.
[804] Oh, he's ghosting him.
[805] He's ghosting the gerbil.
[806] And the gerbil's like, what the fuck?
[807] It's a broken heart situation as well?
[808] Well, the gerbil also was kind of happy that I put this behind me. There was a time where he tried to, I think he was on like a VH1 reality show for a little bit.
[809] Yeah, and he was hanging around with, you know, child star.
[810] And, um, Corey Feldman.
[811] Yeah, exactly.
[812] And, but he's now, he finally put up.
[813] behind him and then now this is reignited.
[814] He put it behind him, huh?
[815] All right, don't do that.
[816] Come on.
[817] That's the, that's the bar.
[818] Come on.
[819] That's the bar.
[820] You just hit the bar.
[821] Grow up.
[822] Sona H. Mofsessian.
[823] How dare you?
[824] You keep inserting false middle initials into peoples.
[825] I have a, so if someone comes up to us and says Ketakai, do we go like?
[826] We're not allowed to acknowledge it.
[827] Catch up.
[828] Hey, prick!
[829] You didn't get the memo?
[830] 20 -22 much?
[831] Fuck oh!
[832] Each shit, Ketakai.
[833] No, I don't know.
[834] No, Katakai is still accepted.
[835] Okay, it's still...
[836] Oh, it is.
[837] I thought it was retired.
[838] No, it's not retired.
[839] Come on.
[840] But it's not redeemable for the same amount of praise.
[841] I'll say this.
[842] I've been in this business long enough to know that any recognition or acceptance is a golden coin.
[843] I am not about to give people a hard time for saying the wrong thing to me when I'm walking by.
[844] But yeah, he was the first.
[845] That's cool.
[846] And I rewarded him, yeah.
[847] Gerbils.
[848] Was the hug the reward?
[849] Oh, I had another, I had another moment in New York City.
[850] So many things happen because you're just out there and there's a lot of fans of the podcast out there, which is really nice.
[851] And I actually mentioned this story at the Sirius XM up front in front of a big audience of advertisers and they found it quite amusing.
[852] But I'm walking with my friend Eric.
[853] You know Eric well.
[854] Yes, I do.
[855] And Eric and I have these long.
[856] walks.
[857] We're both interested in, you know, politics and history.
[858] And Eric just shouts at me most the time.
[859] Yeah.
[860] And I, and I, he's louder than I am.
[861] He is louder than you, which is really saying something.
[862] But we have a great time.
[863] And when we go to restaurants together, he's always saying, what you don't understand about Lyndon Johnson.
[864] Oh, my God.
[865] Is when he named Abe Fordus to the Supreme Court, he didn't know.
[866] And people are always looking over it.
[867] But I love it.
[868] I love him.
[869] And we always have a blast together.
[870] Wait, what didn't he know?
[871] about Abe Fortis.
[872] Hold on.
[873] Yeah, I'm kind of on pins and needles myself.
[874] We'll get to you.
[875] I'll give you your Abe Fortis.
[876] Man, it's about time Abe Fordis came up on this podcast.
[877] Big shout out to everyone at the Lyndon Johnson Library.
[878] Came up in the segment about gerbils.
[879] Yeah, exactly.
[880] I segued.
[881] What other, what other podcaster in the history of the medium segways from Richard Gears gerbil to Abe Fortis, the Supreme Court?
[882] The nominee by Lyndon Johnson to the Supreme Court.
[883] Anywho, I really got Sona today.
[884] But anyway, this is good, guys.
[885] So I'm walking along, and we're headed to this restaurant that's actually at the Museum of Modern Art that Eric knows about.
[886] He says, oh, we should go to this restaurant.
[887] So we're walking in this very, like, accomplished -looking young woman who seems very cool.
[888] She says, oh, hi, Conan.
[889] fan of the podcast and we're chatting just a little bit just before we go to the restaurant and she's great she's fantastic she seems very cool and cool I mean she seems very cool and cool yeah that's great con me fix that part I'm very flustered I saw a girl now I'm leaving this in now you have to leave it in I saw a girl and got excited Anyway, wonderful young woman, chat, and then I'm about to head back into the restaurant and I say, hey, would you like a selfie?
[890] I offer it up.
[891] I just say, hey, would you like a selfie?
[892] And she says, no, I'm good.
[893] And but she said it just like, you know, no, I'm not that kind of fan.
[894] But she just says, no, I'm good.
[895] And I say, but a lot of people like to get a selfie.
[896] And no, here's what she said.
[897] She said, oh, my God, you're needy just the way you are on the podcast.
[898] And I said, she had this kind of moment of, you really are that guy.
[899] And I said, yes, I am that guy.
[900] But I thought that was a funny moment.
[901] She thought you were, this is a character?
[902] Well, no, I just think she, she liked experiencing in 3D.
[903] Like, she's heard, you know, sonically, the neediness.
[904] But then she ran into, uh, she saw it in person.
[905] Yes.
[906] Yeah.
[907] So, uh, man. So you didn't take a picture with her?
[908] No. And then the crazy thing is...
[909] I thought eventually she'd be like, um, okay.
[910] No, no, no. No, she didn't.
[911] We got a courtroom artist to do a sketch of both of us.
[912] But anyway, uh, we may hear from her too because I think...
[913] Because this is crazy, I'm not even kidding, I ran into her a second time in New York.
[914] When you were just following her trying to get her to take a picture of you?
[915] No, I am.
[916] Yeah.
[917] You sure you don't want a selfie?
[918] You want a selfie?
[919] selfie with me Why don't you want one?
[920] I was in a dirigible flying over New York looking for her.
[921] No, I accidentally ran into her again and I gave her David Hopping's info and David Hopping may hear from her in which case maybe we'll link up with her on the podcast because she can tell the story herself.
[922] But anyway, she probably won't get in touch with him.
[923] No. She wants out.
[924] She lost that number.
[925] I call David every four minutes.
[926] Have you heard from that?
[927] the lady yet.
[928] They didn't want the selfie?
[929] All right.
[930] Let's move on to bigger and better things.
[931] Goodbye.
[932] Conan O 'Brien needs a friend.
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[934] Produced by me, Matt Gourley.
[935] Executive produced by Adam Sacks, Nick Liao, and Jeff Ross at Team Coco, and Colin Anderson and Cody Fisher at Earwolf.
[936] Theme song by The White Stripes.
[937] Incidental music by Jimmy Vivino.
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