199 - Live at the Hammersmith Apollo in London

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] What's up?

[2] Wonderful.

[3] I kind of like this sex lighting.

[4] I don't know about you.

[5] This is definitely some under -eye lighting.

[6] Well, it's haunting.

[7] It's ghoulish.

[8] That's what we're all about.

[9] Yeah.

[10] How are you guys?

[11] Is everything good?

[12] We're so excited to be back here.

[13] This is where we were last time.

[14] Mine is the you in our name on the marquee.

[15] Right.

[16] Which we miss a lot.

[17] Changes have been made.

[18] Calls have been.

[19] been made.

[20] Yous have been removed.

[21] We did probably the most rock and roll thing we've ever done tonight, which is drive up in one of those vans and take a left through our own line to drive in.

[22] That's pretty rad.

[23] It was very cool.

[24] It was either that or it was just people that had been kind of kicked off the sidewalk and were forced to go down that way and we're not interested in one way at all.

[25] Could have been that.

[26] It could have been.

[27] But I chose to see it.

[28] It is a kind of Rolling Stone situation.

[29] Thanks for being here.

[30] I already said that.

[31] So this is the second to last show of our UK and Ireland tour.

[32] Yes.

[33] We know now those are two different things.

[34] About two days in, my deodorant just decided to quit.

[35] Yeah.

[36] So I went to the TK.

[37] Max and got the good shit.

[38] I'm sorry.

[39] I don't understand that.

[40] I'm from a. America, where we call it T .J. Max.

[41] That's the stupidest fucking, like, boot and trunk I'm fine with.

[42] T .J. Max and T .K. Max.

[43] Come on.

[44] Someone on one side of the Atlantic or the other.

[45] Pick a, pick a letter.

[46] Pick a different thing.

[47] Pick up, like, ten different letters.

[48] What happened to T .K. Max?

[49] I bought some shapewear.

[50] because I forgot that.

[51] Yeah.

[52] And it's this weird kind of where it's like the boobs are cut out.

[53] Neat.

[54] Because they don't want to flatten your boobs.

[55] They're just like, we know you just want to flatten this part and not this part.

[56] So I kind of look like I'm a cop wearing a holster or something.

[57] It's pretty badass.

[58] That's dirty.

[59] Do you think that cut out boobs are going to make you perform differently?

[60] kind of like Bull Durham where when he's wearing women's underwear he's a good pitcher.

[61] Well, they're like, let's not flatten these out, because this is what she's got.

[62] That's all she's got to work with.

[63] Cut him on out.

[64] Cut him on out.

[65] What about your dress?

[66] My dress?

[67] Oh, it just has some pockets.

[68] That's not a big deal.

[69] It's not a big deal.

[70] Jesus.

[71] For one second, I was like, that microphone's going to drop out of your pocket.

[72] You're going to have to pay this theater $10 ,000.

[73] Sterling.

[74] I have to show you a photo Okay So we're staying at this hotel That it's really old It used to be like a school And it used to also be an insane asylum So it's definitely fucking haunted Like for sure It's called the Broadmoor Arms Hotel Definitely haunted And Vince and I went out for a walk last night Got home kind of late And the hallways are really small And it's really dim And you just keep turning these It's like a maid And there's urchins in the corner saying, please, sir, please, ma 'am some bull.

[75] So I was like, this is definitely haunted.

[76] If we're going to see a ghost, it's now.

[77] And so we turn a corner, I'm first, and this is what I see.

[78] I was really startled.

[79] This is terrifying.

[80] Are you ready?

[81] It's like he was waiting for it.

[82] That's the werewolf of London.

[83] It's startling and yet adorable.

[84] What's his name?

[85] I don't know.

[86] He wouldn't tell me. Really?

[87] No. That's not a talking dog Maybe it's Henry, I don't know He's got his own sweet plaque He was so happy to see us What if he was like, could you please be quiet Trying to have my midnight tea Well, I also have a picture I heard I'm nervous There's rumors going around So Georgia likes to sleep on planes and trains and automobiles, as we all know.

[88] I can take a nap anywhere.

[89] It's great.

[90] She's into it.

[91] She's got eyewear.

[92] But I guess on this last flight that we took from Dublin to London.

[93] Oh no, I know what it's going to be.

[94] She left her eyewear somewhere because I turned to see what she was doing.

[95] I was like on the aisle over and I turned and looked and this is what I saw.

[96] Oh my God Oh, where was London There's never been a worst photo of me It's really bad, I'm sorry I actually texted her and said I'm going to show a picture of you tonight Do you want me to run it by you first And then she went, is it bad?

[97] And I was like, well, yeah Or I wouldn't ask If you were like, oh, cute and hot I'd be like, guess what, too bad You're out of this decision -making process But I was like, is it okay?

[98] Vince gave me his beanie and then had to pretend not to see me like that for the whole flight.

[99] For all of the Americans in the audience, doesn't she look like that one character from Fat Albert?

[100] I hate that photo.

[101] Okay, so sorry, so sorry.

[102] It's okay.

[103] It wasn't a gotcha photo.

[104] No, it's a before photo.

[105] Can you believe?

[106] Ooh, we have a lazy Susan cocktail table tonight.

[107] Yes.

[108] Now we won't know whose stories are who.

[109] You know I hate that.

[110] Yep.

[111] I'll check both.

[112] I'll check both.

[113] I stayed in my hotel room all day long.

[114] Because my hotel room looks like a little apartment from the Victorian times, except for all the phones and TVs and stuff.

[115] And I basically sat by the window with like a shawl around my shoulders, riding with a quill it was it's so exciting it's so exciting it is I'm like what's outside we have a TK Max where I like who gives a fuck I'm staying in here where the fantasy lives it's so charming it's so nice oh this is my favorite murder at the podcast it's a true crime podcast this is Georgia Hardstar oh I got you right on the neck and sit down time should we let's do it oh okay Okay.

[116] Oh, we have a bath mat, a nice bath mat.

[117] We each get her own bath mat to take home.

[118] Thank you.

[119] That's really nice.

[120] Thank you.

[121] This is too high.

[122] Okay, this is...

[123] This is very high.

[124] I think it goes down a little.

[125] Yeah, be careful.

[126] Is this part game show, part true crime live podcast?

[127] Oh, God.

[128] Oh, dear.

[129] Oh, it's wobbly.

[130] Oh, shit.

[131] Oh.

[132] Color than you now, though.

[133] Yeah, come down here.

[134] I can't find the...

[135] It's, um...

[136] Oh, oh, there we go.

[137] Come on down, yeah.

[138] This way we won't fall off.

[139] Okay, that's true.

[140] Or if we do, it won't be very far.

[141] There we go.

[142] Just sit naturally.

[143] This is like some fucking Beatrix potter, like, Mrs. Wibble's Live podcast.

[144] You got it?

[145] I think so.

[146] I want to scoot closer to the table, but I refuse to get up.

[147] No, don't.

[148] We don't have time to reset.

[149] We have to get into this.

[150] Okay, it's time for the speech.

[151] Yeah, do you want to tell them?

[152] Most of you know the speech.

[153] At this point, there's really no point, except for the fact that a handful of you insist upon bringing outsiders.

[154] Please listen to this thing I love.

[155] No, I'm not interested in true crime.

[156] Do it anyway.

[157] Okay.

[158] I guess it'll be the kind of evening we're going to have.

[159] So you're the people I'm talking to.

[160] call you the victims or the drag -alongs.

[161] This is a true crime comedy podcast.

[162] Some people are not comfortable with that combination because they immediately assume it's disrespectful.

[163] So we feel the need to explain up top.

[164] George and I have loved true crime since we were very kind of dangerously young.

[165] And parallel to that, we have always dealt with the hardships in our lives through humor.

[166] It's how we were raised and how we cope.

[167] And so now we When we talk about what we believe to be the worst things that can happen to people, that can happen to a family, that can happen to an individual, while we talk about it, we often feel the need to make jokes during it.

[168] And that's just our coping mechanism for dealing with the horrible shit that seems to need to go on day after day in this fucking world.

[169] So we just want you to know that that's how we do business, and if you don't like it, you can get the fuck out.

[170] very politely, get the fuck out.

[171] And not defensively, we'd also like you to know that our last show at Dublin, we had a pastor who came to the meet and greet.

[172] And we were both like, hi.

[173] And he was a humongous fan.

[174] So if he can handle it, then your delicate sensibilities, he's closer to God than you are, for fuck's sake.

[175] He's fine with it.

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[198] Goodbye.

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[212] Goodbye.

[213] It's me. It's me. It's you.

[214] It is.

[215] Okay.

[216] Okay.

[217] Parents first.

[218] I feel like I went first last time when I did Jack the Ripper and had a nervous breakdown on this very stage.

[219] I had to watch he is silently sweating from across the non -lawful.

[220] wobbly table all night.

[221] There's, I didn't think it through that the people who would know best about every fucking minute detail of the Jack the Ripper case would be in this room with us until I was in paragraph two going and then, uh -oh, like, it all felt like I would, the whole thing was going straight into corrections corner, like it was going to be a 29 -hour correction corner when I got back.

[222] I was fucking sweating.

[223] It was...

[224] Ages seemed like they go on forever.

[225] It was terrible.

[226] Now, when we got backstage and we had a meet and greet that night right behind this curtain and we met all kinds of awesome people.

[227] There was one woman who was like, oh, no, no, this is my, Jack the Ripper's my whole thing, and you did fine.

[228] And I was just like, oh my God, thank God.

[229] Like, I truly almost cried.

[230] You know, you're my, you're my colonial overlord.

[231] and I want to please you so badly.

[232] It's in my blood.

[233] It's in my DNA.

[234] Please them.

[235] Please them.

[236] Do the murder right.

[237] Or as they say in Ireland, do the murder.

[238] Right.

[239] So I'm going to do my best tonight as I do the Lambeth Poisoner, Dr. Thomas Neil Cream.

[240] All right.

[241] There he is.

[242] Now, if we had the ability with this technology to zoom in, we'd go in Real close on Dr. Thomas Neil Cream's eyes.

[243] Oh.

[244] Because they're a little off.

[245] Yeah.

[246] A little bed in the eyes.

[247] He has a touch of the part of the jerk when it's...

[248] Oh, yeah.

[249] Omni grab.

[250] The Omni grab.

[251] Opti grab!

[252] He's got the Opti grab eye cross.

[253] And then when you think about that as like this psychotic mad.

[254] poisoner, it's such a bad combination.

[255] Or just like, would you like to take this pill?

[256] Me or her?

[257] Me?

[258] Oh, me?

[259] Oh.

[260] No. Thank you.

[261] Well, you know, I have a soft spot in my heart for crossed eyes because of my cat.

[262] Oh.

[263] So I would take any pill he gave me or her.

[264] I don't care.

[265] I would take it.

[266] They do call him the Elvis of Poisoners.

[267] That's why.

[268] That's where that came from.

[269] Okay, this is young Dr. Neil Kreme when he was in his prime.

[270] But then here's old Dr. Neal Kreme, which is the picture you see more often.

[271] That's just an older picture.

[272] That's just that same picture turned around with some fuzzy show.

[273] They took that other picture and they left it in the sun for two weeks.

[274] Now he's older and more intense.

[275] But when I look at this picture, it reminds me of like the first and original GIF, which is my favorite of all, which is the dramatic chipmunk.

[276] Yeah.

[277] I big it.

[278] I beg it.

[279] If only we had the technology to put a top hat on that chipmunk, we would be on our way.

[280] I see it.

[281] Yeah?

[282] I love it.

[283] Mm -hmm.

[284] Next time.

[285] When we go to ITT Technical College and get our degrees in whatever you have to do Okay.

[286] The sources I use for this story.

[287] Wikipedia, MurderPedia, and one of my favorite websites, the multiple award -winning blog Murder by Gaslight, by the author Robert Wilhelm.

[288] And he has three books for sale on Amazon that look amazing that are all about basically murder from around this time, so check that out.

[289] Dr. Thomas Neal Cream, he's, or as I like to call him, Tom Cream.

[290] The worst name of all time.

[291] Born May 27th, 1850 in Glasgow.

[292] Yeah.

[293] Oldest of eight children, and then in 1854, the whole family moves to Quebec, Quebec, Canada.

[294] Really?

[295] It was just one girl, and she just happened to be really loud.

[296] It's one girl who's an opera singer from Quebec.

[297] I did that as if I could.

[298] stop intimidating me London so he's very smart grows up smart wants to be a doctor he goes to McGill University in Montreal sure to study medicine graduates in 1876 after writing his thesis on chewing gum no kind of chloroform oh no one thought to red tag his You know what I want to study, poisoning people?

[299] In like a creepy way.

[300] So that's foreshadowing, if you've ever taken a writing class.

[301] Hi, I'm Tom Creme, majored in murder.

[302] Okay, so around the same time in 1876, he starts dating a woman named Flora Brooks.

[303] She's the daughter of Lyman Brooks, who's an owner of a hotel just outside Quebec City.

[304] and early in the relationship she becomes pregnant not alone he has something to do with it he gets her pregnant I should have written so medical student Tom Cream tells her I'm going to give you an abortion in secret of course because back then they were illegal can you imagine the fucking dark ages anyway but he botches the abortion almost kills her so of course she has to go to the hospital when her father finds out that she is, you know, really sick and something's wrong with her.

[305] He takes her to the actual, you know, he goes there, finds out that the reason she's sick is because of a botched abortion.

[306] And then he basically makes Tom Kreme marry his daughter at gunpoint, literally.

[307] Yes, walks him right down to the church.

[308] One way to do it.

[309] Yeah.

[310] So soon after the wedding, Tom Kreme decides he wants to pursue his medical studies in London.

[311] Oh, that's weird.

[312] You want to get out of the entire country and off the continent?

[313] Okay.

[314] So he leaves his young Canadian wife, Flora, behind, but not before.

[315] He gives her some pills that she needs to take to get better.

[316] So once he's here in London, of course, the party starts, ring comes off.

[317] It's Tom Cream, party time.

[318] Brows that mustache out.

[319] He's just, he rips his mustache off and runs into piccadilly circus, yelling, I love the circus.

[320] He parties, cheats on Flora constantly, never tells anybody he's married.

[321] Meanwhile, back in Canada, Flora's been taking the pills that he prescribed to her, and in 1877, she comes down with what her doctors think is bronchitis, and then August of that year, she dies of consumption, which, is just a generalized way of saying they died young.

[322] So back, so I wrote, I can't find any information about Tom Kreme going back for the funeral, so I assume he just sent a telegram that said thoughts and prayers.

[323] Stop.

[324] Stop.

[325] So in London, party Tom Kramer fails med school, of course.

[326] So they send him up to the Royal College.

[327] of physicians and surgeons in Edinburgh, where I guess the failed Londoners go to make their way.

[328] Oh, man, you gave it to them.

[329] Boom, boom.

[330] Who in God's name would start fights with the country of Scotland?

[331] I don't, what am I doing?

[332] What am I even saying?

[333] Stephen, can you mark this entire section, please?

[334] He's not here.

[335] He's in the ceiling.

[336] Okay.

[337] So there, he gets his license from what I read, which definitely could be inaccurate.

[338] But one of the articles I read said there he got his license for midwifery.

[339] Oh.

[340] So essentially, he was like, he was starting to be like an OBGYN, I guess, which is, can you imagine that fucking goofy bastard popping up between your knees as you're going into labor?

[341] Like, what?

[342] Take that hat off.

[343] Stop Looking at me so intensely A year later In 1878 he moves back to Canada This time London, Ontario So when I was reading the research That Jay sent me, I got to this part And it was like at 1 o 'clock today And I immediately assumed That I'd pick the wrong murder And this was a London -Otario murder Not a London -England murder That fucking feeling when you're like I can't do this And I'm texting him, we've got a serious problem.

[344] I sent him like six texts in a row and then read one more paragraph.

[345] And I was like, oh, sorry, we're back in London now.

[346] Everything's like.

[347] We're back.

[348] We're back.

[349] Meanwhile, it's like three in the morning.

[350] It was literally three in the morning for him.

[351] He hates me. So, okay.

[352] So he's in London, Ontario.

[353] He sets up his practice six months later in May of 1879.

[354] One of his patients named Kate Gardner is found dead in a woodshed behind his medical practice, and she smells like chloroform.

[355] What does chloroform smell like?

[356] It's really chloroformy.

[357] It smells like every Uber you've gotten into in your whole life, essentially.

[358] Oh, I could smell that.

[359] CK1.

[360] Yeah.

[361] From the past.

[362] Whatever CK1 used to be made out of.

[363] Or the designer imposter of CK1.

[364] Debbie Gibson's Electric Youth.

[365] So, Dr. Cream is immediately called in for questioning.

[366] A formal inquest is held.

[367] Kate's roommate, Sarah Long, testifies that Kate was pregnant, and she went to Dr. Cream to get an abortion.

[368] And he testifies Dr. Cream.

[369] Yes, that did happen, but he claims that he refused to conduct the procedure and that he says he just treated her for senicence, which, of course, I had to Google.

[370] Yeah, what is that?

[371] It means aging.

[372] So he's doing Botox?

[373] Essentially.

[374] He basically tells, testifies at the inquest that it must have been a suicide because he didn't do anything.

[375] Another doctor weighs in saying no one could possibly hold chloroform over their own face long enough to kill themselves.

[376] And also that the scratches on her face would indicate there was violence during that time also not indicative of someone trying to kill themselves.

[377] I mean, check and check.

[378] Right?

[379] Yeah.

[380] But there's not enough evidence to indict him.

[381] So Kate's death is ruled a, quote, murder by persons unknown.

[382] And, but don't worry because this trial ruins his reputation in Canada.

[383] Okay.

[384] And everyone hates him.

[385] Well done.

[386] To your grandparents, your great -grandparents.

[387] And he does what anyone in that situation, who's hated in Canada would do, come on down to America.

[388] So, in August of 1879, he sets up a new practice in Chicago, Illinois.

[389] So...

[390] I just, hold on.

[391] I can't...

[392] What do you need?

[393] I need to move this.

[394] Okay.

[395] I'm sorry.

[396] Okay.

[397] And then I need to just simply...

[398] Okay.

[399] And then if you lean on this, it's going to grasp it.

[400] Okay.

[401] Just grip it.

[402] Okay.

[403] Let's drive it like a bus.

[404] Double -decker.

[405] Oh, that's mine.

[406] Don't look at it.

[407] Okay, I'm better now.

[408] Thank you.

[409] No problem.

[410] In Chicago, he opens a practice right in what was at the time in Chicago, basically their red -like district.

[411] And he becomes basically, secretly, an abortionist, for the sex workers that are in the area.

[412] And also women who, you know, it was illegal, but of course it got done constantly.

[413] So most doctors, he wasn't the only one, lots of doctors did it after hours for just cash under the table.

[414] I feel like he should have known that.

[415] He wasn't very good at it and maybe should have quit.

[416] I think that's what he was into.

[417] Oh, okay.

[418] Because you're going to be disappointed when you learn Dr. Neil Cream's not a very good guy.

[419] Oh, man. Prepare yourself.

[420] I know.

[421] I don't want you to be disappointed.

[422] but his mustache says he's good Stephen so not here he comes running in from the back I just keep flying in 1880 police start hearing rumors that Dr. Cream is performing abortions so they keep an eye on him and his part -time medical assistant a midwife named Haddy Mack so apparently back then at the time to get an abortion you had to have like a contact and they would set up it would you know they would be called midwives sometimes but they would basically set up the deal where the doctors would meet them at a tenement apartment that no one lived in and perform the abortion in a very unsanitary disgusting you know back alley style abortion and the doctor would just come and do it and leave and there would be no trace of anything so um that's what hattie mack was helping set up god bless her soul But in August of 1880, police discover the decomposing body of a woman named Marianne Faulkner in this tenement apartment.

[423] And they trace it back to Hattie Mack, who's the one who rented it.

[424] And when she's arrested, of course, she's immediately like, I did it for Dr. Neal Cream.

[425] And she tells police Marianne Faulkner, she met her there because she'd brokered the deal.

[426] and Dr. Cream came to perform the abortion, he botched it, and then left her to die.

[427] Of course, when Dr. Cream is tried for the murder of Marianne Faulkner, his defense is that actually Hattie is the one who performed the abortion, that she botched it, and he came in, he was called to try to save her life, Marianne's life, because Hattie is a black woman, and Dr. Cramm is a white doctor, the jury takes his word over hers, and he walks free due to lack of evidence.

[428] Yeah.

[429] So in December of 1880, another patient of Dr. Cremes named Ellen Stack dies.

[430] After taking medicine, the Dr. Cram designed himself.

[431] So, spoiler alert.

[432] Dr. Creme is super into Strychnine.

[433] That's his thing.

[434] And apparently at a certain point, I'm sure when he was partying in London in his early days, he started taking a pill that he had put together himself that was strychnine, morphine, and cocaine.

[435] Wow, that'll pack a punch.

[436] It explains the eyes.

[437] Yeah.

[438] So he, I guess, tried to start doing that here in Chicago.

[439] So basically Ellen Stack dies after taking this medicine because this pill that he put together for her had a lethal amount of strychnine in it.

[440] But Dr. Cream accuses the pharmacist, a man named Frank Piot, of tampering with the medication.

[441] And Frank Piot says that he's innocent.

[442] The case is never solved.

[443] Everybody, nobody goes to jail.

[444] In April of 1881, another patient, of Dr. Cream's name Alice Montgomery dies of strychnine poisoning after she gets an abortion from Dr. Cream.

[445] And that's treated as a murder case, but again, there's no hard evidence, and the case remains unsolved.

[446] So then Dr. Crame starts putting together what he tells people is epilepsy medication.

[447] Oh my God, this guy's a dick.

[448] He's not a good doctor.

[449] So some people actually swear by it, one person it works for is an elderly railway worker named Daniel Stott.

[450] And Daniel Stott had a wife who was 30 years younger than him and quite beautiful named Julia.

[451] And sometimes he would send Julia to go pick up his medication at old Dr. Cream's office.

[452] And so Daniel notices that Julia is like, hey, you need any more medication?

[453] Or do you want me to go check on your medication at Dr. Cream's office?

[454] Um, that's right.

[455] They're having an affair.

[456] Um, and then soon they decide it would be better if Daniel Stott wasn't around to ruin their good time.

[457] So Daniel Stott is poisoned with strychnine.

[458] Um, he dies on July 14th, 1881.

[459] And when this case goes to trial, Julius Stott entirely turns and she's like, this guy did it all.

[460] It was all his idea.

[461] It was his plan.

[462] And finally this time, Dr. Neil Kreme, Thomas Neal Kreme, is found guilty and sentenced to life in prison.

[463] No, no. Guys.

[464] Come on.

[465] We're 10 minutes in.

[466] That's not how it's going to go.

[467] And you know that.

[468] You know that.

[469] He's rich.

[470] So, his brother bribes the authorities, and he gets out of jail 10 years early.

[471] Yes.

[472] Their father died, I guess, in 1887.

[473] and left then a shit ton of money.

[474] So he gets released in July of 1891.

[475] He's only served 10 years.

[476] So basically they say after Julius Stott turned on him, he had always had a very obviously a very problematic love -hate relationship with women.

[477] And after that whole debacle, his hatred of women is just off the charts.

[478] An acquaintance of Dr. Cream says this about him.

[479] Quote, occupation and his talk of them far from agreeable.

[480] He carried pornographs.

[481] He carried pornographic photographs.

[482] I'm just like, it's the late 1800s.

[483] Hey, you want to see this huge cardboard thing?

[484] It's dirty.

[485] She has all her clothes on, but she's winking at the camera.

[486] Showing an ankle.

[487] Do you want to see the hottest ankle I've ever seen?

[488] He was in the habit of taking pills, which he said were compounded stricinine morphia cocaine and of which effect he declared was aphrodisiac in short he was a degenerate of filthy habits and practices fun yeah not popular okay so now Dr. Cream is a free man slash murderer and he decides to take his inheritance and come on back to London England so right mixed feelings You don't know how to feel about it.

[489] It's just already happened.

[490] There's nothing you can do.

[491] Why, boo?

[492] He arrives on October 1st, 1891.

[493] He finds himself a place to live on Lambeth Palace Road.

[494] So, on October 13th, 1891, he meets a 19 -year -old sex worker named Nellie Donworth.

[495] And witnesses see her walking with a topper, and that's a gentleman wearing a top hat.

[496] And the next day she's found slumped in her bed, apparently drunk with terrible stomach pains.

[497] But she's able to tell witnesses that a tall, dark, cross -eyed man gave her something to drink.

[498] Aw.

[499] Yeah.

[500] Quote, twice out of a bottle with white stuff in it.

[501] Where it's like, Nelly, after the first time.

[502] Don't drink.

[503] She dies on the way to the hospital, and the cause of her death is found to be strict.

[504] poisoning.

[505] Okay.

[506] So this is, later on when this gets in the paper, there's all kinds of hilarious drawings.

[507] So basically, they did drawing, once he was caught, they did drawings of him handing out pills to gals like they were fucking lining up for it.

[508] Oh, hi, neat.

[509] And also, they actually had, oh, that's after he gets caught.

[510] I don't know.

[511] Okay.

[512] I thought you winked to the audience and showed him your ankle.

[513] So, um, no one could connect Dr. Cream to Nellie's death, um, but he can't leave it alone.

[514] So he decides he's going to anonymously write a letter to the corner to say that he could name the murderer for 1 ,500 pounds.

[515] I bet it doesn't work.

[516] Mm -mm.

[517] It doesn't.

[518] It actually is the thing that gets him caught in yet.

[519] Yeah.

[520] Um, he anonymously also writes to a, local business owner, a man named W. F. D. Smith, three initials, must have been very rich.

[521] And he accuses him of the murder demanding money in exchange for his silence.

[522] So these people who had nothing to do with anything that was going on are like opening these letters, like, okay.

[523] Put that in the inbox.

[524] So Dr. Cream strikes again on October 20th when a 27 -year -old sex worker named Matilda Clover.

[525] There she is.

[526] she leaves her room at 7 p .m. to meet a man that introduced himself by the name of Fred.

[527] And at 3 a .m., when she's back in her room after going out with him all night, she wakes up screaming in pain and telling people Fred had given her pills that she now knew were poisoned.

[528] So in spite of this, because of her background, and because they find alcohol in her system, they decide that she actually has drunk herself to death.

[529] And she had been prescribed as sedative from a doctor earlier.

[530] So some of that was in her system.

[531] So they're like, basically like, she was all fucked up.

[532] Yeah.

[533] Let's not look into it.

[534] It's not treated as a murder.

[535] It's not investigated.

[536] So then, of course, once again, Dr. Cream's got to get in there.

[537] He's gotten away Scott free, but he needs to write another anonymous letter.

[538] This time, too, a very well -respected doctor named Dr. William Broadbent, He accuses, Dr. Cream accuses Dr. Broadbent in the letter of murdering Matilda, and he demands money for her silence.

[539] Dr. Broadbent immediately takes it down to Scotland Yard and is like, this will probably interest you in some way.

[540] So after Matilda's death, Dr. Cream takes a vacation back to Canada so he can buy himself 500 more strict nine pills.

[541] Holy shit.

[542] Yeah.

[543] And then he comes back to London in the spring of 1892, and basically, basically, goes on a poisoning spree.

[544] On April 2nd of 1892, Dr. Cream meets a young woman named Louise Harvey.

[545] Now, as you can tell by her illustration, Louise Harvey is not having it.

[546] Not in any way.

[547] Uh -uh.

[548] Is that a hair hat or a hat hat hat?

[549] I think it's a hat.

[550] Okay.

[551] Although it could be like real swoopy hair.

[552] It could be.

[553] Uh -uh.

[554] I really relate to Louise Harvey.

[555] She had to sit for that picture the whole time like that.

[556] She's just like, are you done yet?

[557] It's been seven weeks.

[558] Okay.

[559] Dr. Cream offers Louise some pills that he tells her will, quote, put the blush back in her cheeks.

[560] But she senses that something is off with this dramatic chipmunk in the top hat.

[561] Instead of taking these, she's just like, why don't you want you to take these pills?

[562] He keeps bringing it up.

[563] So when he's not looking, she acts like she took him and really she just throws them in the Thames, which is my favorite.

[564] If you are ever drinking at a bar and you have a drunk friend who keeps insisting you do shots, do what Adrian Kavanaugh does, and just pretend you do the shot, but just throw it over your shoulder.

[565] Just throw it behind you.

[566] Make sure there's no one behind you.

[567] Or make sure there's a broke, drunk who wants to squat behind you, like, ah, tequila.

[568] She ditches those pills into the river, which I fucking love her for, and basically goes on her way.

[569] So on April 11, 1892, two more women, 21 -year -old Alice Marsh, and 18 -year -old Emma shrivel, they're both sex workers that he meets when he's out.

[570] he laces both their beers with strychnine pills, and they live in the same boarding house, and so that night, when they're home, they both, it's the same thing, they wake up screaming in pain in the middle of the night, and they both die days later.

[571] So at this point, the police are like, we think there might be a serial killer on the loose.

[572] And the whole Jack the River thing had only happened four years before.

[573] So they're like, it's happening to us again.

[574] So this time, the newspapers nicknamed the mysterious killer, the Lambeth Poisoner, which was that picture I showed you.

[575] So they questioned both of the doctors that those anonymous letters got sent to, and of course, they're both cleared of any suspicion.

[576] And then they take the letters, because they're like, who wrote these letters, those are very suspicious, especially since the second letter refers to Matilda's death as a murder, even though she was.

[577] the coroner decided that she died of drinking, her cause of death was due to drinking.

[578] So in May, I said that perfectly.

[579] So in May of 1892, Dr. Cream happens to befriend an ex -New York City detective named John Haynes, who's living in London.

[580] He is following the Lambeth Poisoner murders really closely because that's, you know, used to do for a living.

[581] And he and Dr. Kreme start discussing it one night over dinner.

[582] And the doctor tells Haynes that he can take him on a tour of the city and show him where all of these women lived and where it all happened.

[583] He's an idiot.

[584] Right?

[585] He can't keep his fucking crazy mouth shut.

[586] And while he gives this tour and talks about the details like really specifically of what happened to these women, he includes Matilda Clover and Louise Harvey in the stories.

[587] So John Haynes is like, all right, this is kind of suspicious.

[588] So he goes over to Scotland Yard and tells his best friend, Inspector Patrick McIntyre, about the whole evening.

[589] And he said, quote, he knew the places, the times, the whole commotion, even their conversations.

[590] Of course, he said he was merely conjecturing, but I watched his expression when he spoke, and well, I know this sounds doughty, but, well, I swear he was there, like he'd known those poor girls intimately.

[591] Wow.

[592] So Inspector McIntyre is like, all right, let's take a look at this guy.

[593] And then they start following him.

[594] They realize that he constantly frequents sex workers.

[595] He's kind of in the mix with them all the time.

[596] And then they contact the U .S. authorities and find out about Cream's 18 -19.

[597] conviction for murder by poisoning.

[598] That little thing.

[599] Right.

[600] So they have enough evidence to arrest him.

[601] So on July 13th, 1892, Thomas Nail Cream is charged with the murder of Matilda Clover.

[602] His trial begins on October 17th, and the star witness is our girl Louise Harvey.

[603] That's right.

[604] Same look on her face as she sits in the box testifying that a man in a top hat tried to make her take pills.

[605] And when the prosecution asks if that man is in the courtroom that day, Louise Harvey points at Dr. Cream and says, there he sits, sir, big as life.

[606] I could not do the accent.

[607] Just four days later, on October 21st, 1892, after 10 minutes of jury deliberation.

[608] Guilty as fuck.

[609] They're like, do we have to leave the room or can we just say it now?

[610] Just have us all say it out loud.

[611] Dr. Thomas Neal Cream has found guilty.

[612] So he sentenced to hang.

[613] Sure.

[614] Take a moment.

[615] He's sentenced to hang on November 15th, 1892.

[616] And the story goes that he's standing there with a noose around his neck on the gallows and the bag over his head.

[617] And his last words were, I am Jack.

[618] And then they pulled the lever and he goes down mid -sentence.

[619] No. Easy, Inspector McIntyre.

[620] Easy.

[621] Some believe this was him admitting to being Jack the Ripper, and that actually birthed some theories that he was so rich, he had to double go to jail for him, because he was in jail in 1888.

[622] There's no way it could have been him, but they were like, but he could have paid so, who'd get paid to go to fucking jail?

[623] I'll sock it away, and then in the bank it'll make interest.

[624] Yeah, 10 years, I'll get out.

[625] I will have made $5 ,000.

[626] But but others say since this was a private execution there was a hood over his head there's no way anyone overheard what he was saying from there and that basically that whole theory was a way it was made up to sell newspapers but either way Dr. Thomas Neal Cream was the Lambeth Poisoner and that is the chilling story of Dr. Thomas Neil Cream great job wow I never heard of that before Really?

[627] Shit.

[628] Right?

[629] What a dick.

[630] I mean, not cool.

[631] Not cool at all.

[632] Few, I'm glad you were able to do that.

[633] Me too.

[634] Instead of having to change it mid for London, Ontario.

[635] When I saw the words London, Ontario, I almost killed everyone around me. All right, great job.

[636] Thank you.

[637] I thought that this would be fun to do since, as I've said before, everything here is haunted, including this theater probably.

[638] So...

[639] Lockness monster?

[640] No. This is the story of the Enfield Poltergeist.

[641] Oh.

[642] It's one of the most famous supernatural cases in history.

[643] Oh, yeah.

[644] Hadn't heard of it.

[645] Hi, I'm great at everything.

[646] And it's known for inspiring the 2016 movie The Conjuring, too.

[647] First showing, 11 a .m. showing at the theater.

[648] Really?

[649] Yes.

[650] So do you know about this?

[651] I'm all about the conjuring.

[652] the entire franchise.

[653] So I got information from Wikipedia.

[654] There's an article in People by Jody Gagliami.

[655] Sorry.

[656] Yes, I fucking did.

[657] Shit.

[658] Stephen, Stephen, can we get...

[659] Let's get a little room tone.

[660] Stephen, you have to stick this in at the top of mine.

[661] Great.

[662] Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[663] We got it.

[664] Sorry.

[665] I got info from Wikipedia, an article in People by Jody Gugliami.

[666] People magazine?

[667] Uh -huh.

[668] An article from a website called History vs. Hollywood.

[669] The PSI Encyclopedia, or Sci Encyclopedia, the Dark History's podcast, and also, as I was getting ready tonight, and showering and dying my hair, I listened to the episode of Lost Podcast on the left about this.

[670] It was a laugh.

[671] Those boys are doing good.

[672] They really are.

[673] It's really nice.

[674] So, let me tell you about this story.

[675] Peggy Hodgson.

[676] There you go.

[677] She's a 47 -year -old divorcee.

[678] She's a single mom, and she lives with her four children in Enfield.

[679] It's a quiet...

[680] It's like 15 minutes, I mean 15 miles from here, but it's about three hours.

[681] Really?

[682] Probably, because, oh, my God, the traffic here.

[683] Traffic's crazy.

[684] And we're from Los Angeles.

[685] We're known for that.

[686] We know our traffic.

[687] So they live at 284 Green Street.

[688] She's known for being a quiet and strong woman.

[689] She works really hard to keep her family afloat.

[690] It's hard financial times.

[691] She's just been divorced, and her husband's like seeing a new woman, and she's hot, I guess.

[692] So the oldest kid is named Margaret.

[693] She's 13.

[694] Then there's Janet, who's 12.

[695] She's lively and extroverted.

[696] John is 11.

[697] They don't explain why he got sent away to boarding school, but he's just kind of not in the story.

[698] They like doing that, though.

[699] Sending away kids to boarding school?

[700] It's not like America where you have to be really bad to go to boarding school.

[701] Sometimes you just go.

[702] It's like, do you like little jackets?

[703] I'm going to wear a little jacket and shorts all the time?

[704] Oh, then we're going to send you away.

[705] I just, I know this is so silly, but I just think of haunted castles when I think of boarding school.

[706] That's all I can picture, which is great.

[707] And then there's little bill.

[708] who's seven, here's the family.

[709] That's yours.

[710] Oh, there it is.

[711] There's his sample case, everybody.

[712] There might be another one.

[713] I think there is another one.

[714] Oh, sorry, there might, there's another one after this.

[715] Do it, do it.

[716] It's just that they drew him.

[717] Oh, he's so cross -eyed in that.

[718] Go to the next one.

[719] They drew him cross -eyed.

[720] I'm so sorry.

[721] I don't care.

[722] Sometimes we have to turn our pictures in before we're done writing our murder.

[723] So you just go like, yeah, this order seems fine.

[724] And then as I was writing it, I was just like, oh, all these newspaper articles are coming before the murders are taking place.

[725] Guys, this is a really hard job.

[726] Guys.

[727] Here's another one.

[728] There he is admitting to being Jack the River.

[729] He's whispering it right into that guy's ear.

[730] No, that's the hood that blocks his mouth.

[731] And makes it that whole thing a lie.

[732] Right.

[733] My story is officially over.

[734] So this is them.

[735] Now one in the corner looking sullen is Jenny.

[736] She's the one that this kind of revolves around for the most part.

[737] So that's them.

[738] The Hodgson family.

[739] What year is it, sorry?

[740] This is 1777.

[741] Nope.

[742] 1777.

[743] America is just to explain.

[744] declared independence.

[745] It's very difficult to be a divorcee, with the colonies having broken off.

[746] But they have photography.

[747] It's crazy.

[748] Actually, the way that picture is taken, they look like in really awesome band.

[749] Yeah, I don't know why it's crooked.

[750] It looks like more haunted that way, maybe.

[751] They're like, ooh.

[752] Their new single, You're Haunting Me is out.

[753] This weekend.

[754] Yeah, he definitely looks like he was in a Britpop band later.

[755] One, two, three, four.

[756] All right, stop it.

[757] get serious about this.

[758] Guys, the first time anything strange has noticed is on the night of August 31st, 1977.

[759] Got it.

[760] Around 9 .30 p .m., Peggy the mom.

[761] She hears a shuffling sound coming from John and Janet's room, and she's like, God damn it, those fucking kids, probably.

[762] I need to go shut them up.

[763] But the night before, the children had complained that their beds were shaking up and down, and I'm sure she was just, like, blew them off as most adults blow children off.

[764] Especially in the 70s.

[765] where you're like...

[766] Guys are being gross.

[767] Oh, no. Do we have like a bus full of seventh graders in here?

[768] Is that what you guys say, blew someone off?

[769] I wish everyone else could see the front row.

[770] It's a bunch of adults going like this.

[771] I thought you guys loved sex.

[772] This is the old...

[773] Should I just say it?

[774] Oh, I don't know.

[775] know what you're going to say.

[776] This is the thing we're in our country, it's no big deal to say fanny.

[777] Yeah.

[778] We wear fanny packs, or at least I do sometimes.

[779] We all do.

[780] Okay.

[781] I mean, guys.

[782] So what is, serious.

[783] Okay.

[784] This is about ghosts.

[785] Please have respect for ghosts.

[786] So she ignored their behavior?

[787] She ignores their behavior, which adults like to do to children.

[788] Ignore behavior of children.

[789] Especially in the 70s.

[790] Oh, now I get what all the cringing was about.

[791] That was bad.

[792] I don't know what's worse.

[793] When they start booing and you don't know what they're booing or they start laughing at you.

[794] And you don't know what they're laughing about.

[795] Yeah, it's a really surreal experience.

[796] Don't wish it upon anyone.

[797] So Peggy goes into the room and Janet is complaining about the chair and it's making noise.

[798] So Peggy takes the chair out of the room, but when she goes back to the kids' room to turn the light out, the shuffling sound starts again, the sound that she said the chair was making.

[799] It keeps happening.

[800] And Peggy later describes the sound as if someone was walking across the room wearing slippers, so like a shuffling...

[801] Chee -sh...

[802] Noise.

[803] I know.

[804] They're being haunted by a lazy person.

[805] Peggy turns the light back on, and the sound stops.

[806] It happens again, and then this is when the knocking starts.

[807] There's three knocks, followed by a heavy oak chest that's on the wall, it starts moving across the room towards the door as if like pushed by an invisible force.

[808] She sees this.

[809] And Peggy's like a normal woman.

[810] She's not like a, you know, I don't know, like my mom.

[811] Like a, you know.

[812] Like a bit of a hysteric.

[813] Right.

[814] She's not like that.

[815] She's one of those low -key people.

[816] Yeah, exactly.

[817] I saw her sweater.

[818] I know.

[819] Peggy pushes the chest back against the wall.

[820] And once again, it slides back out of the room, as if trying to, like, block the doorway and, like, block the kids in the room.

[821] It's super creepy.

[822] She tries to push it back again, and it won't move.

[823] So she freaks out, grabs the kids.

[824] They go over to the neighbor's house, which I think is what most people would do, right?

[825] Yes.

[826] The Nottingham's.

[827] The Nottinghams quickly dismiss their story, but they say, okay, we'll come over and listen to odd noises.

[828] They enter the home, and they all start hearing the knocking sound.

[829] And it's coming from all over the house, and I guess, the noise is like, you know, when it's like us doing it, it's not, it's just coming from here, obviously, but it sounds like it's coming from the whole house.

[830] It's almost like the knocks are following them around the house.

[831] They don't know what to do, so they just call the police.

[832] Come arrest these ghosts, please.

[833] And the police constables arrive at around 1am.

[834] So they tell the police about the haunting.

[835] I'm sure the police are like, oh, these alcoholics or whatever.

[836] Minutes later, P .C. Carolyn heaps, and her co -worker, they start hearing tapping coming from the walls.

[837] And they check the walls, the attics, the pipes, but there's nothing to explain these weird noises.

[838] When they go into the kitchen to investigate the refrigerator pipes, thinking maybe that's the problem, Carolyn watches with the Hodgson's as a chair in the living room wobbles slightly from side to side, and then slides across the floor about three to four feet before stopping.

[839] A fucking police person sees this.

[840] Like that?

[841] Um, so did you see Coronation Street last night?

[842] Or?

[843] I feel like that's like, and she later signs an affidavit saying that this is exactly what she saw and she's not fucking around and she's not an alcoholic.

[844] Whatever.

[845] Over the next few days, the Hodgson's and the Nottingham's witness Legos and Marbles flying across the room.

[846] Standard.

[847] Standard ghosting.

[848] One of the Nottingham's picks up a marble after it lands and it's burning hot.

[849] Ew.

[850] I know that's so ghosty.

[851] On September 4th, Mrs. Nottingham calls the Daily Mirror because the police are like, that's super weird and scary and we totally saw it.

[852] Not our problem.

[853] See you later.

[854] Right.

[855] So these families are like trying to get someone to take them seriously and help them.

[856] Demons are not in our jurisdiction.

[857] I'm sorry.

[858] I'm getting the fuck out of here.

[859] So they call the Daily Mirror just to be like, someone come over here and you guys love it.

[860] so they're hoping to get some help through the press so a journalist and photographer come to the house and the next day they see the Legos flying around the room and it even hits the photographer in the head gives him a bruise Is that fucked up?

[861] Yes.

[862] Or is it funny?

[863] It's funny Well just like you want some proof It's just like what kind of asshole ghost is this?

[864] Yeah and they're all standing there and like they're all It's a bunch of people who are they're coming from nowhere It's like you would have seen if the kid were like secretly, like, you know, sliding it.

[865] It's not happening.

[866] Right.

[867] And so they send another reporter, a senior reporter and photographer to do a follow -up visit because they're like, there's a fucking story here.

[868] And the senior reporter hears the knocking.

[869] It's all like legit people who hear these crazy things.

[870] And they contact the society for psychological research on behalf of the family.

[871] So the society is from Kensington.

[872] and it's one of the oldest paranormal investigative bodies in the world.

[873] Ooh.

[874] Yeah.

[875] They're founded in London in 1882 by a group of scientists, philosophers, and other academics.

[876] I don't know.

[877] It's the first scientific organization ever to examine claims of psychic and paranormal phenomena.

[878] And it remains today as one of the most legitimate research bodies that investigate supernatural activities.

[879] So in 1977, two society members, Maurice Gross, he's played by Simon McBurney in The Conjuring.

[880] And Guy Lyon Playfair played by Tom from Succession.

[881] Yes.

[882] A .k .a. Matthew McFadden.

[883] Yeah, a .k .a. Mr. Darcy's in the Conjuring.

[884] Yeah.

[885] They are like, we're going to figure this out.

[886] We're like, we're the, like, people, I don't know why they have these hats on, but they're like...

[887] Ghost hats.

[888] Ghost hats.

[889] Ghost hats.

[890] We're going to figure this out.

[891] So, objects continue to fly and move around for weeks, but by October, there's, like, furniture and cutlery and household objects that isn't nailed down start to disrupt various rooms of the house.

[892] So it just keeps happening.

[893] And one night, the investigators clear all the objects that can be moved out of Janet's room, and they're like, we're going to have a test and see what happens.

[894] They get all the furniture from her room, and they report that sometime after, they hear a tremendous vibrating noise coming from the now empty room.

[895] Don't.

[896] Like someone was drilling a hole.

[897] Oh.

[898] They go back into the room that had nothing and no one in it, and they find that the Victorian fire grate that weighs like 60 pounds had been torn from the wall.

[899] So like not something a little kid could do.

[900] And most of the haunting is like around Jenny, the daughter who's 12.

[901] And I guess that's kind of a normal thing for pre -pubescent or, you know, little girls going through a puberty to kind of...

[902] Get that energy going.

[903] A lot of drama.

[904] A lot of drama.

[905] And I blame one direction.

[906] Okay, let's see a photo.

[907] Oh, Harry Styles?

[908] Oh, that's not...

[909] Oh.

[910] That's not the home.

[911] Looks super creepy and haunted.

[912] Oh, that's her supposedly levitating.

[913] No. Right.

[914] Who the fuck is that guy?

[915] I don't know.

[916] I was going to ask you.

[917] I don't know my glasses on it.

[918] It looks like a fat Steve McQueen from here.

[919] Do you know who the poster is?

[920] Starsky and Hutch?

[921] Stalsky and Hutch.

[922] No. All right.

[923] Someone got it right, but I don't know who.

[924] I mean.

[925] You want me to go back?

[926] You don't think that's her?

[927] No, no, no. I'm looking at the posters.

[928] Pay attention.

[929] to this really great story.

[930] I'm so easily distracted.

[931] Okay.

[932] And the pipes that supply of the fireplace had been ripped in half.

[933] So, like, clearly this little 12 -year -old girl hadn't done that, probably.

[934] Okay.

[935] So Maurice Gross and Playfair are convinced at this point that the haunting is legitimate, but many members of society aren't so quick to believe it.

[936] They think the girls are playing tricks and messing around, and at school, Janet is bullied because of the stuff and called Ghost Girl.

[937] So I don't know, like...

[938] I would love that nickname.

[939] Oh, my God.

[940] So I feel like if you're being made fun of, you wouldn't keep doing this.

[941] Right.

[942] You know what I mean?

[943] Yes.

[944] By November, Maurice Gross notes that the knocking sounds around the house seem intelligent, so he's like, let's ask it some fucking questions.

[945] He starts out with simple questions and requests the disturbance to knock once for no and twice for yes.

[946] When he asks if the ghost is dead, they reply with 53 knocks.

[947] What?

[948] Oh, what's terrifying?

[949] What is that?

[950] Is that a super known?

[951] What is that?

[952] It's just the creepiest thing I've ever heard.

[953] Oh, two, three, four, five, six, 79, that, oh, my God, I would scream and run.

[954] Okay.

[955] As November passes, Janet's behavior becomes more and more erratic, and at times she's very unsettled.

[956] It's almost like she's possessed.

[957] Broz says she seemed to be taken over.

[958] As part of the investigation, cameras are set up in the girl's room, and they're remotely operated, and they take bursts of photos every four seconds.

[959] The images documented shows several strange things happening in the room.

[960] The first is a pillow that appears to twist around in mid -air thrown by no one.

[961] Or is it hanging off the bed?

[962] I don't know.

[963] That looks super creepy, doesn't it?

[964] Yes.

[965] What do you think?

[966] Can you see it?

[967] I mean, I guess it is Starsky and Hutch.

[968] Now that I'm looking at it.

[969] well I mean that's the problem with stuff like this is you think like oh a picture would prove but yeah you don't have the right depth here so if it is hanging you would need to be from the it would be taken from the other side to show that it's hanging in midair well fuck that photo and there's also a curtain that appears to twist around no one like a curtain hanging on itself whatever and the most extreme photos however are the images of Janet levitating in the air are they being um and she later claimed she was unaware that she went into trances until shown the photos like she didn't even know that was happening wow um yeah so and this guy maurice totally believes it and it's this kind of sad for not like their their dad is gone he stays with them and like kind of takes care of them and the reason he is a paranormal um investigator is because his daughter died in a motorcycle accident and he thought she contacted him from down the grave So he got really into it.

[970] It makes sense.

[971] Yeah, and so, you know, you have this young girl who thinks that she's being possessed or that the house is haunted and stuff.

[972] And then this guy who's probably really, like, grieving.

[973] And they both believe in it.

[974] So maybe, I don't know, if you believe in energy and that makes sense.

[975] I mean, it's not like you can believe in energy or not.

[976] It's a thing.

[977] But, you know, psychics.

[978] I believe in electricity.

[979] And Starsky and Hutch.

[980] Um, okay.

[981] The intelligence of the disturbance regresses even further when Janet starts to speak in a gravelly, growling, and barking sounds.

[982] Okay, this is the part in any of these movies where I'm like, now I'm a believer.

[983] When it's like a 12 -year -old, it's like, oh, y 'i -o -y -o -h -ha.

[984] That's my favorite, where I'm like, okay, it's the devil, everybody.

[985] What more do you need?

[986] Honestly, when I heard this, I was like, okay, yeah, I believe this.

[987] Yeah.

[988] It's the creepiest fucking thing I've ever heard.

[989] It sounds like an old gravely British fellow.

[990] And it's still British.

[991] The ghost is obviously British.

[992] It's not an American ghost.

[993] No. It's just so creepy.

[994] If you go home and listen to it, like, it fucking, there's no explanation other than she's an incredible actress, which, I mean, she's like 11 or 12, so.

[995] I mean, Merrill Streep was once 11 or 12, so who knows?

[996] We can't know.

[997] So it starts to have this low, guttural voice, holds conversational with the investigators for months.

[998] Janet describes the experience like someone standing behind her and putting their hand on her neck, like making her talk.

[999] That's how my mom used to walk me through the grocery store.

[1000] Okay, what are we going to get today?

[1001] Like I was going to like start grabbing things.

[1002] Yeah, I was actually.

[1003] You were possessed.

[1004] I was possessed by the grocery store.

[1005] So to eliminate, this is weird.

[1006] To eliminate the possibility that Janet's faking, the voice, Maurice tapes up her mouth and fills her mouth up with water other times.

[1007] That's kind of, it's necessary, I don't know.

[1008] And she still talks like that.

[1009] Really?

[1010] Yeah.

[1011] It does sound improvised, essentially.

[1012] Can you grab that hot marble?

[1013] We're going to stick it in Janet's mouth and see if it works this time.

[1014] There was a lot of stuff, like when there would be noises at night, they'd go to check the kids to make sure they're actually asleep and they'd like open their eyelids to check if they're sleeping.

[1015] It's like, well, nothing's going to wake you up like some weird investigator leaning over your bed trying to peer into your pocket.

[1016] Tom Williams, Gans, opening your eyes.

[1017] So then at one point, the voice says that its name is Bill.

[1018] And months...

[1019] That's not that scary.

[1020] well it's like it's like the ghost who used to live there Bill it's me Bill it's Bill it turns out that the people who had lived there before had the father had died of a hemorrhage in his favorite chair in the living room and the kicker is his name was Bill what do you want his name to be perfectly delivered The only time we allow it yelling is when it's perfect.

[1021] Yes.

[1022] Leave it to the British to do the perfect heckle.

[1023] So they bring in, like, all this press.

[1024] They bring in magicians to try to see if it's fake.

[1025] I don't know.

[1026] They bring in magicians because they're bored.

[1027] They're like, do some up -close card tricks for us while we sit here in this kitchen wearing headphones.

[1028] But they, like, bring in, you know, spirit mediums.

[1029] They bring in legit people.

[1030] who know about this stuff, and they're not able to debunk any of it.

[1031] Right, that's like trickery experts, essentially, yeah.

[1032] Especially if it's a little girl tricking all these people, you know.

[1033] But there is the thing of, like, if you want to believe in something, it'll, it'll, it'll, no, I don't believe that.

[1034] Okay.

[1035] It turned out she had 12 rabbits under her bed.

[1036] The disturbances continue similarly until June, sorry, July, 1978, when Janet is admitted to Maldsley Hospital for extensive psychiatric testing.

[1037] Two months later, she's given a clean bill of health with no signs that she doesn't have Tourette's or epilepsy or other illnesses that could explain some of the events.

[1038] When she returns home, the disturbances seem to calm down and almost as quickly as they had started, the strange happenings at the Hodgson's home stop completely.

[1039] And the incidents at Enfield are among the most closely recorded in any poltergeist type situation.

[1040] And all the witnesses, there's over 30 people who have witnessed this stuff.

[1041] And even people who were walking by outside the house saw Jenny levitating in her room.

[1042] Like two people who weren't involved within it said they saw that.

[1043] Shit.

[1044] And then they're like, you're arrested for being a peeping Tom.

[1045] Yeah.

[1046] One person was called a lollipop woman.

[1047] And I don't know what that means.

[1048] Is that a thing?

[1049] Is it like the ice cream man?

[1050] Crossing Guard.

[1051] Crossing Guard.

[1052] I thought she said coffee cart.

[1053] Oh, children's coffee.

[1054] Coffee, that's charming.

[1055] Wow, I've never heard about that.

[1056] Oh, because the sign probably looks like a lollipop.

[1057] Great job.

[1058] I'm glad I didn't bother to look it up.

[1059] That was a fun discovery for us and our British friends.

[1060] That's right.

[1061] And the lollipop woman on the corner.

[1062] Tape recordings mainly by Playfair and Gross eventually total over 180 hours.

[1063] And another thing is that other psychic mediums would come in and be like, you can make a shit ton of money off of this, but no one made, like, they were serious.

[1064] Maurice and Peggy were like not trying to bilk anyone out of money.

[1065] Today, over 40 years later, the Enfield case remains Britain's most famous haunting, and though it's had extensive criticism, it's never been fully debunked.

[1066] And although Janet, so as an adult, Janet admits, did I call her Jenny earlier?

[1067] Damn it.

[1068] Sorry.

[1069] Does she have your mom's name?

[1070] She does.

[1071] You blocked it out?

[1072] I really did.

[1073] Janet Well, she admits that two, she says about 2 % of it was fake by her and her sister.

[1074] She was like, you know, at some point they were kind of egging us on and we were like getting into it.

[1075] Oh, sure.

[1076] She's like, I swear only like 2 % of the things, like maybe some of the writing that had happened and maybe some of the voices were a little bit faked, but that she won't admit otherwise.

[1077] and she says that she and her sister Margaret had played with a Ouija board just before the supernatural activity started.

[1078] Your favorite.

[1079] Leave Ouija boards alone I'm not fucking kidding.

[1080] They are a gateway to hell.

[1081] Don't mess.

[1082] A gateway to Bill.

[1083] You don't want that kind of access to Bill.

[1084] Can I just tell you that in the conjuring movie, the whole thing builds to the reveal of Bill the ghost in is chair.

[1085] And they make Bill seem like he was this total piece of shit monster in life that's coming back to, like, do bad things to children.

[1086] It's so crazy.

[1087] And I didn't remember that his name was Bill.

[1088] I bet you they didn't reveal that part.

[1089] That would have ruined it.

[1090] Kind of ruin it a little bit.

[1091] And the family and direct neighbors believe the font.

[1092] They still to this day think it's real.

[1093] Those who knew Peggy have no doubts about her personal integrity and don't think she was faking anything.

[1094] There's books, TV documentaries, and horror films made because of the bizarre happenings.

[1095] In 2016, The Conjuring 2 has a worldwide box office debut of about 320 million.

[1096] Twelve of those were mine.

[1097] Wow.

[1098] The gunned set continued for just over a year and are witnessed by over 30 people, such as neighbors, investigators, technicians, reporters, police officers, lollipop woman.

[1099] After Peggy dies, the house is occupied by another mother of four, named Claire.

[1100] She never felt comfortable in the house.

[1101] And she says that she felt a presence watching down on her and her sons, and her sons would wake up in the middle of the night, hearing people talking downstairs.

[1102] Guests?

[1103] Ghosts.

[1104] Ghosts.

[1105] When she finds out about the house's history, she moves a family out two months later.

[1106] I would too and that's the story of the Enfield Pulger guys Amazing Yes This show is Yeah that was great Is there any more photos?

[1107] Oh yeah Oh shit That's awkward I don't Sorry I ruined it With that Was that last one?

[1108] I think so Okay This show is lovingly dedicated To Bill Please don't haunt us Do you have time for a hometown?

[1109] do it.

[1110] There's Vince Abrel, everyone.

[1111] Look who's here.

[1112] Look who it is.

[1113] Vince Abrel, everybody.

[1114] Tour guide, husband.

[1115] Tour guide.

[1116] Second husband.

[1117] Not down with a scary shit at all.

[1118] I didn't want to tell on you, but the reason I never watched it is because Vince doesn't want to watch scary.

[1119] No scary shit.

[1120] What a sad combination this must be for here.

[1121] Thanks, Vince.

[1122] Thanks.

[1123] I won't go through the whole speech.

[1124] We know you know it.

[1125] We know you know the rules.

[1126] But please, please, please.

[1127] If you can, you have to be from, please be from England.

[1128] Americans who have flown over for a nice trip to see us because you couldn't get tickets somewhere else, we love you, thank you so much.

[1129] This isn't your part.

[1130] God bless you.

[1131] But so if you have a hometown murder that is from this country and you are also from this country, We would love to hear about it.

[1132] Please be sober enough to have your story be cohesive, have a beginning, middle, and end, quick and fun and not fun.

[1133] Also, at the same time, Georgia will choose now.

[1134] And we've had some really good hometowns this floor.

[1135] So let's not really keep your hand down unless it's awesome.

[1136] No one's raising their hand.

[1137] Okay, yeah, let's do it.

[1138] There she goes.

[1139] Where she got up and levitated over to that door.

[1140] We're like, no. Oh, it's Bill in a wig.

[1141] I think we're scared everyone out of doing hometowns.

[1142] You're scared?

[1143] Everyone else is scared.

[1144] Yeah, I think.

[1145] We're just drunk.

[1146] And polite.

[1147] It's a lovely combination.

[1148] Will you take the lights down so we don't feel judged?

[1149] Thank you.

[1150] Olivia, nice for me. Thank you.

[1151] Thank you for you.

[1152] This is for you.

[1153] It's Olivia, everybody.

[1154] I am from New Cambridge.

[1155] Did you go to Cambridge?

[1156] Did I, heck, no. I went to a polytechnic in Lancashire.

[1157] Does that mean your party?

[1158] Yeah.

[1159] Yeah.

[1160] I did, yeah, yeah.

[1161] And then I was a police officer, so then I really parted.

[1162] Really?

[1163] Yeah.

[1164] Shit.

[1165] This will not be a police story, because I'm not quite sure on the official secrets act, what I'm allowed to share.

[1166] Okay.

[1167] So this is a murder from Cambridge.

[1168] Okay.

[1169] So, this is all the way back.

[1170] I think it was New Year's Eve 2004.

[1171] I at the time was a forensic science student before it was cool.

[1172] She did it first.

[1173] She did it first.

[1174] I did it first, absolutely.

[1175] And we were out.

[1176] I was out of my boyfriend at the time.

[1177] Definitely not together anymore.

[1178] And having, because it's New Year's Eve, a bit of a shit night because it always is.

[1179] Yes.

[1180] And across the road from us was a pub that I really wanted to be in called the Avery.

[1181] in Cambridge or the hogs head as I remember it thank you yeah finished the night had an argument with my boyfriend ignored him walked off on my own with some not on my own with his brother's girlfriend because I like to try and do dangerous things like just wander off when I was drunk and we walked over to the Mill Road kind of area of Cambridge They love places, yeah, they really do.

[1182] Should I just list places?

[1183] Woke up the next day, and it turned out that a girl had gone missing from the Avery Pub.

[1184] She had gone missing on her way home and had texted her friends saying, Help, I think I'm in a taxi, but I don't think this is a taxi.

[1185] Oh, no. This isn't a fun one, by the way.

[1186] They never are.

[1187] No. so they ended up doing kind of like reconstructions of where she walked so she basically walked up whatever the hell that road is in Cambridge turned down parkside walked past the police station but then got in what she thought was a taxi and when they reconstructed it she was a twin so she was a girl called Sally Gleeson or Gieson Sally Geeson she was also a forensic science student but in Cambridge so I didn't wasn't it a you with her, but I had that kind of like, oh wow, that I literally walked the same way home and was the forensic science student and was the same age.

[1188] She was a twin and her twin did the reconstruction, which I don't know how she did it.

[1189] Her body ended up being found, I think it was near the American Cemetery on Maddenly Road in Cambridge.

[1190] They worked out in the end who it was and he was a soldier from Water Beach Barracks, which is where I grew up, I grew up in this little, I used to live in Water Beach Barracks and then my dad left the army and we lived in Water Beach.

[1191] He went on the run and they found he eventually was found in Glasgow and he jumped out of the hotel window and killed himself.

[1192] Oh my God!

[1193] So he didn't see justice but he did end up dead.

[1194] Wow!

[1195] And it turns out one of my friends got married quite young and was married to somebody else somebody in the army and the murderer guy I think he was called David Atkinson is Lance Corporal He was friends with her husband They used to go running together Oh my God So I never met him But it was just very like Oh I was a forensic science student I walked that same way home I was an idiot that night And walked off on my own And he was connected to someone I knew Crazy So sorry it's a bit of a bummer No No it's what we're here for Olivia thank you so much Just here for her.

[1196] That was a great job.

[1197] Thank you.

[1198] Beautifully done.

[1199] She came on her own, you guys.

[1200] Yes.

[1201] She goes, I just left my phone with a stranger.

[1202] So we're keeping on her on you.

[1203] She took photos with her phone.

[1204] Great.

[1205] I look through your pictures.

[1206] Oh my God.

[1207] Night 1 in London.

[1208] This is awesome.

[1209] Thank you.

[1210] Thank you.

[1211] This is so incredible.

[1212] We keep, like, waiting for it all to end.

[1213] And so to be back in the same giant theater that we were in last time means so much to us.

[1214] Yes.

[1215] You guys keep coming.

[1216] Thank you.

[1217] Thank you for coming.

[1218] Thank you for creating a community for yourselves and connecting with each other.

[1219] We meet people who tell us that they come to these shows alone.

[1220] They do it for the first time.

[1221] They meet people.

[1222] They make friends with people.

[1223] they're sitting near or they're hanging out with.

[1224] You guys are making something via our show that we are so proud of that it's such a beautiful thing to get to be able to see in real life and we just honestly want to sincerely thank you so much for everything you're doing for each other.

[1225] It's beautiful.

[1226] It's really lovely.

[1227] Thank you guys.

[1228] We're honored to be a part of it.

[1229] We want to We want you to stay saved and do God's missions.

[1230] Always.

[1231] Please.

[1232] But more than that, we want you to stay sexy.

[1233] And thank you, London.