#1106 - Colion Noir

[0] How do I pronounce your name?

[1] Colion Noir.

[2] Coelion.

[3] Yeah.

[4] Now, there's a conspiracy out there.

[5] Okay.

[6] I made this name up.

[7] Yeah, we'll talk about that.

[8] We're live already?

[9] How did you do that so quickly?

[10] Oh, you're a wizard.

[11] What's the conspiracy about your name?

[12] Your name is Collian Noir.

[13] What's the conspiracy about your name?

[14] That I made it up to hide who I really was.

[15] Oh, some CIA type shit.

[16] Yeah, like everybody gets to have like pseudonyms except for me. me when you're talking about guns you don't get to have suit names did you have a different name yeah my name oh okay so you did change your name yeah I did but there's a conspiracy behind you changed your name but that's not real you just decided you wanted a different name I got into guns and I wanted to start watching gun videos and so I wanted to make a YouTube channel and I didn't want to use my real name because I thought that wasn't cool enough and so I said you thought your name wasn't cool enough no I didn't such uh African American thing yeah pretty much yeah yeah I mean I mean, I don't know comedians have changed your names, like Earthquake.

[17] What else?

[18] You don't know who Earthquake is?

[19] Fucking hilarious comedian, man. He's hilarious.

[20] But a white dude couldn't call himself Earthquake.

[21] Yeah, you could.

[22] You could, but nobody would...

[23] A wrestler.

[24] Oh, is a wrestler named Earthquake?

[25] But that's different.

[26] That's different.

[27] That's probably a big giant guy, right?

[28] So, what's your original name?

[29] What's your actual full original name?

[30] I'll give you my first name.

[31] I just don't want to make it easy for people to show up our house.

[32] Collins.

[33] Collins.

[34] Collins is my round name.

[35] That's a fine name.

[36] Something wrong with that name?

[37] No, there's nothing wrong with it.

[38] Why did that name bother you to a point where you didn't want to have it on a YouTube account?

[39] No, I just thought it'd be more fun to just come up with the pseudonym for my YouTube channel.

[40] Like, I didn't start my YouTube channel thinking, all right, I'm going to start this channel and I'm going to build this whole brand behind it.

[41] No, it was just, I wanted it for fun.

[42] Yeah.

[43] My friends called me, one of my friends, he called me Killicoleone.

[44] Right?

[45] That was kind of a little nickname that I had.

[46] And so I was like, okay, well, just use, go.

[47] And then I'm like, I'm always in black.

[48] Why do you call you Killer Colillon?

[49] I have no idea.

[50] I talked to him to this day, and I still don't know why he called me that.

[51] Yeah, there's nicknames, man, that just happened sometimes.

[52] Now, there is a rapper in Houston by that name.

[53] Killer Colio on?

[54] Yeah.

[55] Oh, okay.

[56] Yeah.

[57] So I don't know if maybe he listened to him and then my name Collins and then calling on, and so forth and so on.

[58] Yeah, so.

[59] So how did you get wrapped up with the NRA?

[60] So we should kind of, we should cover.

[61] cover a couple of things here today.

[62] Do the origin story?

[63] Yeah.

[64] So you're kind of like a spokesperson for the NRA.

[65] Not official spokesperson.

[66] Not official.

[67] Unofficial.

[68] Do they, do they, you are a member of the NRI?

[69] Do they recognize you?

[70] Do they appreciate you?

[71] Like, how does that work?

[72] Okay.

[73] So the way it started, I mean, I'm going to start from the beginning.

[74] Okay.

[75] All right.

[76] So I had a friend of mine, a good friend of mine who called me up one day and was like, do you want to go shooting?

[77] And I was like, because at the time I really wasn't pro gun.

[78] and this was about, I was around 23, 24, I'm 34.

[79] So this is 10 years ago.

[80] Yeah.

[81] And I hesitated a little bit because my background growing up, like, I didn't grow up with guns in the house.

[82] No one of my family had a gun.

[83] And for me, the idea and the notion of being a young black male with a gun, it's always, I always saw it through, exactly, through the lens of, you know, gangbanger, drug dealer, so forth and so on.

[84] So that's the mindset I had with respect to fire.

[85] arms unconsciously, right?

[86] I didn't even realize it wasn't even conscious of it until I started getting into this very heavy and realized, okay, wow, I was thinking like that, didn't realize it.

[87] And so, but at the same time, I told myself, why am I afraid of essentially what is an inanimate object, right?

[88] So I think to myself, I'm like, all right, I really don't want to go.

[89] I'm a little terrified, but you know what?

[90] I'm going to go ahead and do it.

[91] And so I remember getting to the range, we get to the range, and we walk into the door, and then I hear the door for where the actual bays are, and I hear the pop, pop, pop, pop, go off.

[92] And I'm like, holy crap, this is actually happening.

[93] And so I kind of had this nervousness, but I'm with my friend, right?

[94] And so I don't want my friend to feel like, okay, you're acting kind of like a bitch, right?

[95] So I kind of kept it to myself.

[96] We get to the counter.

[97] We do all the paperwork that, you know, records of paperwork, like Billy forms, all that.

[98] And he has his gun.

[99] We get some ammo.

[100] We go to the lane.

[101] I remember it was the very last lane.

[102] It was, the name of the range was top gun in Houston.

[103] And so we go to the very last range.

[104] He gives me kind of like a brief instruction about how to shoot the gun, how to load it, so forth and so on.

[105] And so at that point, I remember picking up the gun terrified, not knowing what to expect, not knowing what was going to happen.

[106] So I remember picking it up.

[107] It was a little Torres P .T. 11, P .T .11 millennium and 40 caliber.

[108] And this was a subcompact.

[109] Probably not the best first.

[110] time shooting that's a big fucking gun well the gun itself was small but the caliber exactly yeah a lot of kick exactly so my experience if anybody who watched that as a gun person would be like oh this is not going to end well so so i remember standing at the bay and then taking the gun and pointing it and shooting it and i remember just this the concussive force the explosion with the gun dancing in my hand and i was like holy crap that was terrifying then I shot it again I'm like I like this shit and the weird thing is and not in the way that most people think the nerdy aspect of my brain kicked in right I'm like holy crap like I'm taking this project down I'm launching it right several feet and I just because the second shot allowed me to realize what just happened I just contained an explosion in my hand right I'm like if you don't find that amazing you don't have a pulse.

[111] It's amazing.

[112] The thing that people are bothered by is what comes with it and how people use it.

[113] And I think an analogy that's a fair analogy, but people reject, is driving cars and a lot of these fucking psychos that have been running over people in the street.

[114] I mean, it just happened again, Berlin.

[115] Yeah.

[116] Somewhere in Germany, some guy ran a bunch of people over and then blew his brains out.

[117] It's an object, right?

[118] It's a thing that you use.

[119] And I'm a huge car guy, too.

[120] I am as well.

[121] Yeah, I love cars.

[122] I mean, if someone said we have to ban cars because people started running people over with cars, they'd be like, well, okay.

[123] I think we're dealing with a whole bunch of problems, and there's a bunch of things that I think we would probably agree on.

[124] One of the things we can agree on is all these mass shootings are horrific.

[125] Absolutely.

[126] They're terrifying.

[127] It's an evil, terrible thing that...

[128] Here's another thing.

[129] No NRA members are doing.

[130] that.

[131] That's one of the things that's really kind of fucked up about people getting angry at the NRA.

[132] We've never had a mass shooting ever.

[133] That that I can recall, that was done by an NRA member?

[134] I looked.

[135] I tried to find one.

[136] I can't find a mass shooting that was perpetrated by an NRA member.

[137] And I think it's, so the biggest problem that a lot of gun owners, especially NRA members have, is people, like the conversation that's being had is basically coloring or actually forgetting the human element behind those three letters.

[138] Like the NRA isn't like this demigod that just sits in the cloud of Olympia and there's just one big guy that just orchestrating this entire thing.

[139] Yeah.

[140] It's, you're talking five million people.

[141] Yeah.

[142] Right?

[143] Like, I'm a, I'm a member.

[144] I'm a gun owner, right?

[145] That's who I am, along with five a million other people who are that way.

[146] And then there are a ton of other people who think they're in NRA members and aren't.

[147] And then a ton of other people who probably don't mind being NRA members.

[148] They just haven't I got around with doing it and getting their membership.

[149] Yeah.

[150] And the vast majority of those people, and I'm saying that just to be safe, they're good people.

[151] I think there's quite a few good people.

[152] The people that have perpetrated all these mass shootings are definitely not good people.

[153] But what's wrong with them?

[154] Well, I'll tell you what's not wrong with them.

[155] Guns.

[156] It's not guns that are wrong with them.

[157] They use the guns to express what's wrong with them.

[158] You know, and everybody wants to look at the object, which I get.

[159] What's easier?

[160] Well, it is easier, and it's something that everyone's pointing to.

[161] Like, why do you need an AR -15?

[162] Why do you need of this?

[163] Why do you need to that?

[164] These are good questions.

[165] Why do you need these things?

[166] Why do I need that fucking samurai sword over there?

[167] I don't.

[168] You know, it's like, what do you need?

[169] Yeah.

[170] And that's another thing, too, though.

[171] And I've said it before.

[172] I think we are a victim of our own success in this country, right?

[173] I do think this is the greatest country in the world.

[174] But the problem with that is, is this country was built on an ideological foundation that I think it aids in that our ability to be as great as we are.

[175] But we live in the world now where people don't see the necessity for something that was never predicated, that was never supposed to be seen through the lens of necessity in the first place.

[176] The Second Amendment doesn't give me a right.

[177] It preserves something that already existed.

[178] But what happens is we have a culture of people who don't, who look at the Second Amendment as a privilege.

[179] Not a right.

[180] They look it as a privilege.

[181] So that's why they say, well, why do you need that?

[182] Well, why do you need more than 10 rounds.

[183] Why do you need this?

[184] Why do you need that?

[185] And I'm like, first of all, we're framing the entire conversation under need when that's not what the Second Amendment is about.

[186] It's a right that I've already had.

[187] It's a natural right that I had the moment that I stepped foot on this earth as a person.

[188] The right to self -defense is universal.

[189] Yeah.

[190] And, you know, people say, okay, it's a right, but obviously there's a problem.

[191] So we have to do something about it.

[192] So you're going to have to give up your guns.

[193] This is, this is the common conversation and it's very flippant and it's not well thought out and there's no consideration whatsoever to mental health issues I think this is I think that's the primary problem I've been saying this from the get go I think it's the primary problem I think it's a mental health issue and people say oh that's simplifying it I don't think it is I think it's the opposite I think it's it's ignored yeah look it's there's something wrong When you have this many people on mental health medication, and then when you look at the number of mass shooters, it's almost universal.

[194] Almost every single one of them is on some sort of psychiatric medication.

[195] But that's not a part of the narrative.

[196] That's not a part of the conversation.

[197] The conversation is always get rid of guns.

[198] Now, I don't want crazy people to have guns, and I don't think you do either.

[199] No, I don't.

[200] So, outside of taking away the rights to have guns from normal law by, people like yourself and myself, I have guns.

[201] What do we do?

[202] Okay.

[203] So first of all, I think we need to frame the conversation into specifics, right?

[204] You're a lawyer, right?

[205] I am.

[206] Okay.

[207] So you understand bills and amendments and law.

[208] Okay.

[209] Yeah.

[210] And so I think, one, we're lumping the entire conversation in one category, right?

[211] If we're going to talk about school shootings, let's talk about school shootings.

[212] Okay.

[213] Right.

[214] So the first thing I say is, because one thing a lot of people And so I'd like to say is, well, you guys just don't want any gun laws and you say no to everything, but you have no solutions.

[215] But to stand up for that, it's because all they want to do is take away the guns.

[216] Yeah.

[217] They're saying, let's take away the guns.

[218] You're saying, we're not going to take away the guns.

[219] You guys just don't want to get your guns taken away.

[220] Yes, you're right.

[221] You're right.

[222] No one wants to get their guns taken away.

[223] And then I get labeled a monster as a result of saying.

[224] Exactly.

[225] You want kids to die.

[226] And it's a fucking real sneaky conversation.

[227] It's disingenuous as hell.

[228] Yes, it is.

[229] And that's, and that's, the odd thing about it is it's, it's, you, anybody who's paying attention to the discourse in a way it's happening, especially on social media, right?

[230] Anybody who follows my Twitter, my Twitter account knows this, multiple occasions.

[231] I've tried to have a rational conversation with people who are on a complete opposite side of my spectrum of, of this issue.

[232] Is there any of this online, like debates or anything like that?

[233] Well, no, I mean, it's just on Twitter.

[234] You can't do anything rational on Twitter.

[235] You can't.

[236] You can't.

[237] Occasionally you can, and it's a goddamn miracle.

[238] Yeah, it is.

[239] The clouds apart, people being friendly.

[240] The funny thing is, you want to see me flustered?

[241] Yeah.

[242] Respond to me rationally.

[243] Because I'm always, you know, I have this guard up, right?

[244] Right, right, of course.

[245] And I actually have to check myself about that a little bit because how am I any better than the people on the other side if I have the same, if I have the same energy that they have towards me. That's a very good point.

[246] And so I've started, you know what, let me, because I can be incredibly snarky.

[247] like I can't and it's partly due because of my friends they're all assholes they just are like all the friends I grew up with I grew up arguing with a group of guys who when they were losing it logically they went to jokes right right it sounds like a man yeah pretty much right yeah it took me a second to realize it because I was the one in law school right I was the one that was going to law school pre -law all that stuff so everything I did was focused and sent it through the idea logic logic logic you know making any sense and then I'll crack a joke.

[248] And then everyone's laughing.

[249] And I realized there's some power to that, right?

[250] You know, humor.

[251] I mean, you should know something about that.

[252] Yeah, just a little bit.

[253] For sure.

[254] Yeah.

[255] And so I took on some of those qualities in the way that I advocate for the firearms, you know, because it can be a little disarming, but the disarming aspect of it could be beneficial because it causes people to drop their guard a little bit.

[256] Right.

[257] And then when you drop your guard, you can take in information more objectively, more so than waiting or looking for confirmation bias or instigating your cognitive dissonance because you just don't want to hear the thing that's contrary to what you already believe.

[258] I just think you need a lot of character like as a person to be able to communicate reasonably on Twitter.

[259] And there's a lot of people that are just lacking that.

[260] So it's almost like the ability to steal and no one's looking.

[261] The ability to shit on someone with no eye -to -eye contact, no social repercussions, no, you know, you're not feeling anything from that person.

[262] You say something rude to them.

[263] They're not in front of you, so you don't feel terrible saying it.

[264] Yeah, no, it's, I'm not going to lie.

[265] So, Twitter is a dirty place.

[266] That's a dirty place.

[267] But it's a great place too sometimes.

[268] It is.

[269] It has its benefits, right?

[270] I think there's some really good conversations to be had on Twitter, and I've had really interesting moments on Twitter where I've learned a lot about things, where people have sent me links, and I've retweeted them, and I've learned a lot of things.

[271] But it's hard sometimes, man, because they're so.

[272] many people that are just unreasonable and they're not good at communicating and they're not happy people.

[273] They're not, man. There's a lot of people out there that are just unhappy, man. It's, you know, and to be honest with you, I didn't realize it until I got to the notoriety that I am now in the space that I'm in.

[274] Well, you're in a weird space.

[275] Yeah.

[276] Because you're in the space of defending guns, you know.

[277] And I'm black.

[278] Yeah.

[279] And I'm relatively young.

[280] Yeah.

[281] There's a lot going on there.

[282] And you're a lawyer.

[283] Well, they tend to disregard that.

[284] Well, they should probably pay attention.

[285] Well, it doesn't matter because I have, I'm doing, I'm advocating also with certain three letters behind me that they automatically assume as the devil.

[286] Now, how does the NRA feel about you?

[287] Do you know?

[288] I mean, do you have conversations with them?

[289] Are they saying good job?

[290] Are they pleased?

[291] Oh, I mean, as far as I can tell they are.

[292] Yeah.

[293] I mean, we still have the relationship we have.

[294] It's very much a very symbiotic relationship.

[295] It's a weird one right now because it's like, this is what I hear from the NRA.

[296] I hear Koleon and then I hear Ted Nuget.

[297] those are the two that I hear I've got to be honest I'm not the biggest fan of Ted Nugent's rhetoric but I do know where it's coming from but then again I didn't grow up listening to Ted Nugent that's not my demographic but at the same time Ted Nugent is still an individual and people fail to understand that like we may be monolithic on the issue of firearms but we're not monolithic in the way we go about expressing that well he's right about things Yeah.

[298] You know, just because someone's outrageous doesn't mean they're not right.

[299] Like, have you ever seen his, the debate that he had in a gun store with Pierce Morgan?

[300] Yeah, no, the funny thing is, that dude is incredibly bright.

[301] He's a smart guy.

[302] He's just crazy.

[303] Hell, I don't even think he's crazy.

[304] I do.

[305] Listen, you can only kill so many things before you lose your fucking marbles.

[306] Ted lives on a fucking ranch in Texas where it's all fenced in.

[307] He's just shooting all animals.

[308] He hunts every day.

[309] He's a psycho.

[310] And I don't, with all due respect, I'm a big fan of stranglehold.

[311] So what, so how, what's, where's the line of demarcation between becoming, hunting too much and not hunting enough in terms of becoming, it's crossing over that line into social path?

[312] Well, I'm just joking about that because I'm a hunter.

[313] I mean, it really depends entirely upon what he's doing with the meat.

[314] And I know he gives it to hunters for the hungry.

[315] I know he gives it to neighbors and friends and there's nothing wrong with that.

[316] And he asked, he actually has.

[317] he has an obligation to be the steward of his land because he has a lot of exotics and stuff on it.

[318] I'm just totally joking around.

[319] Oh, no, I know.

[320] But when you, when, like, you listen to his conversation with Pierce Morgan, which Pierce Morgan takes that flippant, left wing, knee -jerk, reactionary, you know, we have to ban guns.

[321] Yeah, he's a cunt.

[322] And when he's, when he's on with Ted, Ted just knew everything about the actual facts.

[323] When you start running around with statistics, of gun violence.

[324] He's like, do you know how many of those people were bad guys that were shot by cops?

[325] Do you know how many of those people were people that were shot when they were breaking into people's homes?

[326] Do you know how many of those people were killed in self -defense?

[327] There's a lot.

[328] Yeah.

[329] It's not.

[330] And do you know how many of those people, when you talk about gun violence, how many of those people were suicide?

[331] Yeah.

[332] There's a lot.

[333] Keep in mind, that's recent.

[334] Suicide?

[335] Well, no. So here's what happened.

[336] So when I started getting really deep people, they die from gun violence, 30 ,000 people a day.

[337] That's what they were running with, right?

[338] And they were scaring all the suburban house moms.

[339] Oh, my gosh, we got to do something about gun control.

[340] We got to do something about guns.

[341] So I jumped into the pool and I just like, something doesn't seem right about that figure, right?

[342] And I'm not saying I'm the one who put this out there.

[343] It seemed inflated.

[344] It seemed inflated.

[345] I don't know what it was.

[346] It's on a subconscious level.

[347] Or maybe was me looking for confirmation bias, right?

[348] Because I felt the way I did about firearms.

[349] I'll be honest and say that.

[350] Right.

[351] And so what I did is I kind of researched a little more, and I realized, holy shit, over 65 % of that 30 ,000 is suicides.

[352] 65%.

[353] Is that real?

[354] Yeah.

[355] Jesus Christ.

[356] So what is that, like 18 ,000 people a day shoot themselves?

[357] Man. Something crazy like that?

[358] But what do we say at the top of the show?

[359] Man, people are miserable, man. That's a fucking crazy number, though, man. That's a Kevin Hart concert.

[360] Yeah, pretty much.

[361] All together.

[362] Good night, everybody.

[363] Blam!

[364] That's really what it is.

[365] 18 ,000 people.

[366] That's fucking incredible.

[367] So then it, but then it begs the question that you brought it before, the mental health aspect.

[368] Yeah.

[369] How much, how much, how many lives would we actually save?

[370] If we took the same energy we apply to just making guns evil and trying to ban guns and take that energy and put it towards understanding what it is, why as a society, we have a society that is so eager to really not want to be here anymore.

[371] expand that a little bit more because we have all the guns in the universe here in America, right?

[372] Compared to any other country.

[373] But yet, our suicide rates should be exceedingly higher than all the other countries that don't have as many guns.

[374] But it's not the case, right?

[375] You look at the UK, you look at Japan.

[376] Japan has double our suicide rate.

[377] Does it really?

[378] Hell yeah.

[379] Double?

[380] Yeah.

[381] Wow.

[382] So 60 ,000 people a day in Japan or whatever the fuck?

[383] Per year.

[384] Smaller.

[385] Not every day.

[386] It's every year.

[387] Yeah.

[388] per year 123 what did I say a day there you go complaining numbers again I fucked up did I say a day earlier or did I say a year earlier a day yeah yeah because oh okay 30 ,000 yeah what did I say a day 30 ,000 a year doesn't sound that bad there's 300 million people oh yeah so you would you would think about it predicated on a daily basis no no no no annually annually 30 thousand people yeah yeah but that doesn't make any sense why would I think that I think you might have said it on an accident too oh really do that yeah I Okay, everyone.

[389] Okay, we won.

[390] Yeah, 30 ,000 people.

[391] 30 ,000 a year.

[392] That seems...

[393] They call it gun violence, right?

[394] Right.

[395] But in reality, you break those numbers down.

[396] 65 % of those are suicides.

[397] And about 5 % of those are, God damn it, I think justified homicides, including times when cops shoot someone in self -defense and it's justified, right?

[398] And self -defense shooting, so forth and so on.

[399] Do they count times when cops really shouldn't have shot somebody but did and got away with it?

[400] I'm pretty sure they do.

[401] I'm pretty sure they do.

[402] But even then, that number would be exceedingly marginal comparatively.

[403] Right.

[404] So then you have the remaining number, which are, and then you have like three to five, I know, I think it was 15 % are justified.

[405] Three to five percent are accidents.

[406] Three to five percent is a lot.

[407] Yeah, no, it's 900 people, 900 people a year.

[408] Right?

[409] So, and I tweeted this, I said, again, if we focused on firearm, safety education we could that number would drop in half it might but you're not gonna you're not gonna fix the the intelligence level of the humans see they're fucking around with guns that's where you underestimate the fact and they're underestimate how those people are dying accidentally okay because there are a lot of people who don't understand basic gun safety right within that 900 it's a lot of them when you see some of the accidents that happens with firearms they're easily mitigated by just simply knowing the four rules of firearm ownership and when you get into the gun community like as a whole like when you fall at rabbit and then like we are we're crazy about gun safety you you you put your finger on a trigger in a picture we're slaughtering you yeah not literally but you know what you're saying yeah like we're going to hold you accountable i have a friend who has so many guns he doesn't know how many guns he has i don't know how many guns i don't know my friend justin i know you're listening he's a legit gun nut and and great guy Yeah, and I don't know how many guns I have either, right?

[410] Fucking crazy person.

[411] I mean, hell, I mean, I guess so.

[412] I mean, but then again, I didn't shoot my first gun, so what, 23, 24?

[413] Yeah.

[414] So did I just become crazy all of a sudden?

[415] I think I was about the same age.

[416] Yeah.

[417] Well, I think I shot one when I was real young, and I definitely shot one in camp when I was like, I guess I was probably 12.

[418] Yeah.

[419] But I didn't count that.

[420] I shot my first handgun when I first came to California.

[421] And I might have been...

[422] Really?

[423] How ironic.

[424] Yeah.

[425] Well, what's ironic is it's way easier to get a gun here than it is in New York.

[426] I lived in New York.

[427] It's fucking hard to get a handgun in New York.

[428] Almost impossible.

[429] In here, it was easy.

[430] Legally, you mean?

[431] Yeah, legally.

[432] Oh, legally.

[433] Okay.

[434] Well, wow.

[435] Yeah, I mean, illegal.

[436] Yeah, I mean, when I came here, it was 1994.

[437] I guess maybe 93, 94, I bought a gun.

[438] And I was like, I can't believe I just buy a gun.

[439] You remember what you bought?

[440] They just did a check.

[441] Yeah, yeah.

[442] I bought a 38 special.

[443] I bought a Walter P .P .K. And I bought a Glock 9 millimeter.

[444] All right, man, a good taste.

[445] I'm a good taste.

[446] I'm a fan of those.

[447] I'm a fan of the PPC as well.

[448] Yeah, it's a cute little gun.

[449] Well, when I first came to California, I'd heard all this crazy shit about drive -by shootings and gang violence.

[450] I just thought it was just going to be a fucking war zone out here.

[451] I mean, but the funny thing about it is it's your natural disposition was I need something to protect myself.

[452] Yes.

[453] It's such a. natural thought process.

[454] I don't know why we've perverted it to this deal where it's like something has to be wrong with you if you have that mentality or that mindset.

[455] Well, there's a lot of people that haven't experienced real violence.

[456] You know, and if you experience real violence and you've seen what happens when you have a terrible person around people that aren't terrible.

[457] That's true.

[458] That's a reality that people don't like to face and they don't like to look at the other side of the coin.

[459] Like whenever there's an instance where there's a shooter and the shooter gets taken out by someone who's a trained, a person who's trained with firearms and knows tactics, nobody wants to talk about that.

[460] That just gets brushed off.

[461] They don't, they don't, it's, there's not a balanced conversation to be had.

[462] There isn't.

[463] But the interesting thing is like, I have a group, I have a group chat.

[464] When stuff like that does happen, they write it off as just anomalies.

[465] How's that an anomaly?

[466] That's exactly what it's supposed to be used for.

[467] But again, like I said, confirmation bias and cognitive distances are, are, is a bitch.

[468] Right.

[469] We all suffer from it, right, to an extent.

[470] For sure.

[471] But when you add in the component of fear, right?

[472] For a lot of people, they don't necessarily hate guns.

[473] They hate the consequences of being shot or someone they love being shot.

[474] Exactly.

[475] And one of the thing about it is, though, you know, those people never put themselves in a position of being the shooter.

[476] Right.

[477] They always put themselves in a position of being the victim of a shooting.

[478] So that's why you get, well, why do you need that?

[479] Because they don't see it as, okay, this allows me to better defend myself.

[480] Right.

[481] They look at it from the perspective.

[482] of, well, if you're able to have that, then you might use that against me. There's that.

[483] And, you know, there's also the looming specter of the mass shooter.

[484] It's just so fucking common these days.

[485] It seems like every three or four months, there's a new instance.

[486] How many times does it happen?

[487] Perception is a bitch.

[488] Okay.

[489] But the reality is, the absolute reality is, they have happened.

[490] They have.

[491] They are horrific.

[492] And there's more of them here than anywhere else in the world.

[493] That's reality.

[494] But here's another interesting real.

[495] Hold on.

[496] Hold on.

[497] Hold on.

[498] Hold on.

[499] Go ahead.

[500] Go ahead.

[501] So when you say that, you're talking about the developed world, correct?

[502] Because that's usually the caveat they like to put on in.

[503] Well, there's no mass shootings in the undeveloped world.

[504] People don't just go into a fucking mall and shoot people up.

[505] What's interesting is it's very rare.

[506] I think it happens more than people realize.

[507] It just doesn't get reported.

[508] Think about it.

[509] How many people die in Chicago on a weekend over a weekend that doesn't get reported?

[510] That's true.

[511] And we live in America where we have complete access to it.

[512] That is true, but it's a different kind of violence because it's people that are actively trying to get people that are actively trying to get them.

[513] It's gang violence, whereas school shootings are complete innocent.

[514] School shootings are the worst, right?

[515] Because it's a child and some fucking psycho decides to make the most noise possible by going into a school and shooting it up.

[516] That's the scariest and the worst for most people.

[517] For most people.

[518] When you think about gang violence, you say, well, that's violence.

[519] It's terrible that people got shot, but it's people that are trying to shoot each other.

[520] All right.

[521] So then when I tell you that the remaining homicides in this country, right, at a 30 ,000 number that I gave you annually, over 80 % of that is gang violence.

[522] That's crazy, too.

[523] Think about that.

[524] Yeah.

[525] No, I believe you.

[526] But it's when you see Sandy Hook, when you see Parkland, when you see any, that's the shooting in Colorado Aurora in the movie theater, when you see these mass shootings, these are what terrify people.

[527] Yeah.

[528] People are not necessarily terrified of the gang violence in Chicago.

[529] You know, I'm going to.

[530] to Chicago in a couple of months and not one fucking person has brought up hey man that place is a war zone everybody's like oh I love Chicago you're gonna get deep dish pizza like nobody gives a fuck is that what it is yeah they know I'm not going on the south side dude you see there's the thing I just went to Chicago I was just in Chicago before I was here and they were like were you locked and loaded did you wear a vest yes I'm dead serious I got all those questions when I said I was going to Chicago those were the first things people told me now granted I did go to Southside I did film in Southside did you?

[531] Were you nervous when you're walking around?

[532] Oh, hell yeah, I was nervous.

[533] I'm not Superman, man. So when you're walking around, are you strapped?

[534] Not in Chicago, because it's illegal for me to be.

[535] That's what's crazy.

[536] It's that Chicago has really strict gun laws, and they don't work at all.

[537] I was driving down a road where there were like six, seven, eight dudes who jumped in front of the car when we drove down because we didn't look like we belonged there.

[538] And I'm positive.

[539] Every single one of them had a gun.

[540] They jumped in front of the car.

[541] Well, they didn't like lob their bodies in front of the car.

[542] But, you know, you see a car that's unfamiliar driving down.

[543] the side street.

[544] So they tried to stop you?

[545] They didn't try to stop me. I think they were trying to figure out who the hell we were.

[546] They just got a better look at you.

[547] Or they were just trying to service.

[548] Oh.

[549] Yeah.

[550] So it's kind of one of those things.

[551] Right.

[552] But then again, when you're driving down the side street in South Chicago, but GoPro's on the car.

[553] Yeah.

[554] Oh, that's true too.

[555] Yeah.

[556] Right, right.

[557] So you kind of have that.

[558] So we all agree that gun violence, especially in terms of mass shootings, is one of the biggest problems that we have in terms of like a horrific public image problem, right?

[559] It's a, it's, it's something that you see in the, and every, when I'm, when I say public image, I should, I should, I should rephrase that.

[560] What I mean is like public perception problem.

[561] Like, you, you see it and it's just death and violence and children and innocence.

[562] And we, as, as people, I think, consider the death of innocence to be one of the most egregious and horrific deaths.

[563] So I think we both agree on that.

[564] Absolutely.

[565] So, so that's 100 % of across the board, I think, with any decent person.

[566] These mass shootings are horrific.

[567] I think, in my opinion, the number one aspect of the argument that's not being discussed is the mental health aspect of it.

[568] Are you opposed to more screening of people to get guns?

[569] Yes and no. Yes and no. Yes, in an ideal world, if we can minority report it and figure it out who's...

[570] I don't mean minority report.

[571] I mean, just like, check to see if they're on mental health.

[572] health medication.

[573] But, I mean, we currently, well, see, here's a thing, the slippery slope with that, too.

[574] So what would constitute somebody being on mental health medication that's prohibitive?

[575] What if I, what if I deal with anxiety?

[576] If I'm on Zanz, prescribed, does that prevent me from owning a firearm?

[577] It's a good question.

[578] In California, for the longest time, they were trying to make it if you had a medical marijuana card, you couldn't have firearm.

[579] I think they were doing that federally.

[580] I think that was a federal thing, that if you had a legal medical marijuana card, that they were trying to prevent people, they were trying to prevent people, from, they were trying to cripple the medical marijuana industry because they knew that people wanted guns.

[581] Because, to be honest, it's intellectually dishonest.

[582] If I can go to the store with a gun on me and buy alcohol.

[583] Right.

[584] Like, and you know, I'm not, I don't even smoke.

[585] Right.

[586] Right.

[587] But let's just be honest about it.

[588] Like, alcohol, weed.

[589] I mean, I think utilizing that as a prohibitive means to own a firearm, I think is, I think is.

[590] That is true.

[591] But if you were under the influence some of the shit I got in this studio and then you'd be super paranoid and pulled it under a gun I didn't say I didn't say under the influence I said if I because all the marijuana card does is allow you to buy it no 100 % but I'm saying that is an issue if you're under the influence and you have a gun right?

[592] Yeah but I'm allowed to but I have you go to my house right and I have all types of whiskeys at home right right yeah but if you're under the influence right yeah exactly so I can't I can't carry a firearm and then be drunk right you can't you shouldn't be drunk with a gun.

[593] You shouldn't be high as fuck with a gun.

[594] Neither one of those are good ideas.

[595] And nor should you be driving.

[596] Right.

[597] Nor should you be driving.

[598] So should you be on Xanax with a gun?

[599] That's the question.

[600] I don't know the answer to because I've never had Xanax.

[601] Exactly.

[602] Me neither.

[603] I don't know what it's like, but I do know that there's been people that have killed people when they were on Xanax.

[604] And you know, that guy in Vegas, the shooter in Vegas.

[605] That guy was on anti -anxiety medication.

[606] I didn't know that.

[607] Chris Cornell was on anti -anxiety medication when he killed himself um look it's got a profound effect on some individuals and it's not it's not uniform the way it affects you it might affect jamie different yeah it's just it's a different i mean i know i know tons of people who are on it yeah i do as well yeah and they they respond like you said they respond to it differently yeah yeah yeah and i know tons of people on it will also drink while they're on it which you're not supposed to do yeah yeah and that that's not good either yeah it's with so screening with the screening component right You've got to be careful because what it then does, it's like it becomes a de facto way of preventing people to own firearms arbitrarily, right?

[608] So it's like, oh, well, you have anxiety or even somebody who's maybe dealing with PTSD.

[609] Right.

[610] Not everybody dealing with PTSD is a potential murderous, ravenous, evil person who's just going to go out and kill people.

[611] So with the screening component, that's why I say yes or no, right?

[612] If you can find a way to establish a mental screening, but even then, not.

[613] No, because there's a due process aspect to it as well, right?

[614] So you can't prevent me from owning, and you can't prevent me from exercising it right if I haven't done something to absolve myself from being able to do that legally, right?

[615] Okay, so what if they come to your house and you've got, let's say you've got like a cork board up and you've got all these pictures of schools and fucking arrows pointing to the emergency exits and plans of how to block things off and then pictures of.

[616] Jody Foster and pictures of serial killers up everywhere and you're on anti -exiety medications and the cops talk to you and you're fucking squirrelly as hell.

[617] You haven't done anything though.

[618] Yeah.

[619] Arrest me then.

[620] If you can't arrest me, if you can't arrest me for a crime or possibly attempting because like the legal standard is like taking substantial act to commit a crime even though you don't do it, that's attempted, right?

[621] Did you hear about the kid that got kicked out of school?

[622] What was the school?

[623] He was an Asian kid.

[624] Died his hair blonde, started collecting bullets, got a semi -automatic rifle.

[625] His friend started freaking out.

[626] They called the cops.

[627] Cops came to visit him.

[628] He bought another rifle.

[629] And I believe they deported him.

[630] They deported him for reasons not having to do with the firearms.

[631] They deported him for reasons that he wasn't actually going to school anymore.

[632] He was on a green card or visa, I believe.

[633] But the way the sheriffs were framing it was they deported it because they wanted this fucking psycho out of the country.

[634] And they think that they might have prevented a crime.

[635] They probably did.

[636] But they still have.

[637] They still had to establish a legal basis for deporting him.

[638] But all they had was that that he didn't go to class.

[639] I mean, that's something you've done.

[640] I've done.

[641] Yeah.

[642] Yeah.

[643] I mean, everybody's.

[644] But then again, he wasn't a citizen.

[645] Right.

[646] So that was the, that was the requirement for him to continue to be here.

[647] But it was really, it was kind of like how he got like Al Capone, you know, they got Al Capone, you know, by way of the, you know.

[648] Right, right, right.

[649] But he really had guns and was acting crazy.

[650] And that's why the kids that were friends with him called.

[651] and that's why they acted and they just found that loophole.

[652] Yeah.

[653] So what do you do with someone like that?

[654] Other than, I mean, this guy, we had something.

[655] What if this kid was still going to school?

[656] I mean, it'd be pretty bad.

[657] Yeah, but then again, we still have our loss for a reason, right?

[658] We have our inherent rights for a reason.

[659] We have due process for a reason.

[660] Because if we didn't have those, right?

[661] Anyone could just come up and say, man, you know what?

[662] I saw calling on the war on Instagram the other day he posted a picture of a gun and he was like cursing people out because they were making fun of him in the water he was drinking and so you know what somebody needs to go check on him and make sure he's okay and somebody needs to go and take his guns away from him right you've got to there's got to be due process I appreciate that and I agree with you and it's unfortunate in that some people may slip through the cracks but I can't arrest someone for something that they haven't done yet Right.

[663] You just can't.

[664] Well, I agree.

[665] And so that's where we are right now.

[666] So then now we're getting to the complexities, the hard questions, right?

[667] What do we do?

[668] How do we put something in place to catch the people who do happen to fall between the cracks?

[669] Right.

[670] So then you go, okay.

[671] Try to keep.

[672] Oh, sorry.

[673] I move a lot.

[674] I don't know if you see my videos.

[675] I'm like, yeah.

[676] I'm like, Hydra.

[677] The complexities.

[678] Yeah, it's a very complex issue, which is why we're not largely not having it.

[679] We're having it here because no one wants to have this conversation on the national scene because it's hard and it doesn't make for great soundbite and it doesn't make for good TV.

[680] Right?

[681] Because that's why I hate doing cable news hits because I have two minutes to basically deduce a complex issue that we've been debating for decades, almost centuries.

[682] It's the worst.

[683] And it's also people talking over each other and there's one, you know, they have two boxes, one guy here, one guy there.

[684] Usually you're not even in the same room together.

[685] You're talking through those earpieces.

[686] a delay.

[687] Those things are a disaster.

[688] They're horrible.

[689] It's one of the worst ways to communicate.

[690] Which is why I tried to establish my platform with my show Noir.

[691] I try to have it as a platform that's open to people to come on.

[692] Hey, look, you want to come on and discuss this issue?

[693] By all means, come do it.

[694] Have you had anyone that's like really strict anti -gun on?

[695] Yeah.

[696] I had an entire season.

[697] So what we did in the season, I think it was two seasons ago.

[698] We brought on, it was a young lady and a guy from, Z lane I can't remember But he came on the show They were anti And so what we did was he had a roundtable Discussion at the end of every episode of my show And we would bring up a specific topic And we discussed it And so they would basically was like two against one Essentially And so they would talk to me about What their thoughts on On what we talked about in the show Or a particular gun control issue And we had that conversation Had an individual I sit down with her as well And we talked about it And then took her to the shooting range To shoot for the first time You know but that's going to be overlooked.

[699] Right.

[700] They ignore it.

[701] Well, they probably aren't even aware of it because I wasn't aware of it.

[702] No, they're aware of it.

[703] You think so?

[704] The people who need to be aware of it are aware of it.

[705] Okay.

[706] Because, like, for instance, I bring this point up.

[707] And it makes me come across as if, like, I feel some type of way because he didn't mention me. But it's not really that.

[708] It just speaks volumes to what I've been pointing at for the longest.

[709] They ignore rational discourse.

[710] John Oliver did a 20 -minute monologue on NRA TV about NRA.

[711] TV, right?

[712] 20 minutes.

[713] You know how long a 20 minute long, yes.

[714] That's a long time.

[715] Yeah.

[716] He didn't mention me once.

[717] He didn't mention my show.

[718] I have three shows on NRA TV.

[719] Three shows.

[720] And I have the second longest running show on NRA TV.

[721] He didn't mention me once.

[722] The level of detail that they went into within that monologue lets me know they watched everything on that platform.

[723] Okay.

[724] They watched it all.

[725] And why do you think he left you out?

[726] Because it didn't fit the narrative.

[727] Right.

[728] Also, because.

[729] he is a progressive guy with glasses who's white and you really shouldn't say anything negative about black people how so he's not but he's not white though he's a minority just like me what is he he's i don't know he's like uh john oliver he's white he's not white what is he then john over white if he's not white i'm not white what the fuck is he what the fuck is he were you like italian and uh irish irish yeah am i white if i'm not what the fuck is if i saw you in the street you are And the old days I wasn't My grandparents weren't white When my grandparents came over That guy's white is white He's white like paper Is he?

[730] Oh shit, I'm wrong Well, there you go What did you think he was?

[731] I don't know I never thought about it Are you getting him confused With the Daily Show guy I'm probably am Trevor Noah No, not Trevor I know about Trevor I know about Trevor Damn you're right Yeah he's white as fuck He's a white Englishman Man I'm racist But for a guy like that Guys like that have, they've, here's the thing about progressives, and I like John Oliver, I'm not, I'm not negative against John Oliver.

[732] No, I'm going to say this.

[733] I have, I had this perspective up until this point.

[734] So I'm going to shut off, I'm going to shut off my belief system and listen to you and listen to what you're about to say.

[735] Because I haven't thought about this.

[736] Because I've thought he wasn't white this entire time.

[737] So, so, yeah, so now he's white as fuck.

[738] I mean, it might not even by what be why he did it.

[739] He might have found the worst examples and maybe you were too reasonable.

[740] And it doesn't.

[741] fit the narrative of being funny.

[742] I mean, his show, although his show has points and he makes these very, you know, these clear conclusions and, you know, but it's funny.

[743] It's a funny show.

[744] That's the whole thing behind it.

[745] But any girl who's dated me knows, like I have enough episodes on that platform, you can find some stuff to make fun of me about.

[746] Well, I'm sure they could, but I don't think that's the kind of thing they're trying to make fun of, like individual personalities that say stupid shit.

[747] I think what they're trying to do is point out the disingenuous narrative from the NRA while ignoring the disingenuous narrative from the anti -gun advocates.

[748] Okay.

[749] I could possibly see that.

[750] I'm trying to be fair and reasonable because my mind wants to go, nah.

[751] He realized that by mentioning me, right?

[752] It's going to peak curiosity with the audience in which he's trying to speak to.

[753] So you think that you're too reasonable and too logical?

[754] and that since you're not like this redneck he -haw type character that like to talk about you, it doesn't fit their narrative.

[755] So let's just ignore him and concentrate on the dummies.

[756] Think about it.

[757] Right.

[758] But the dummies are still real, though, right?

[759] Yeah, but they have dummies on all sides.

[760] That's true.

[761] That's true.

[762] But it's pretty easy to find, like, pro -gun dummies.

[763] You can find quite a few of them.

[764] I can pretty easy to find dummies on the other side as well, too.

[765] For sure.

[766] But you wouldn't be looking if you were on that side, right?

[767] If you're on the anti -gun side, you're looking for pro -gum dummies, pro -gun dummies.

[768] Yeah.

[769] Pro -gun dummies are easy to find.

[770] They are, right?

[771] There's plenty of them right now.

[772] You can go fucking find them on Instagram and Twitter, and there's dummies all over the world.

[773] See, here's the thing, though.

[774] The thing about what John Oliver does, and this is the kind of disingenuous nature of satire.

[775] Okay.

[776] Political satire, I call it the comedian plausible deniability card, right?

[777] Okay.

[778] So you can make a joke about something and then say, oh, it has no influence because it's just a joke.

[779] It's not.

[780] But he's not saying that, is he?

[781] He's not saying it doesn't have an influence.

[782] Exactly.

[783] He understands the influence that wields.

[784] But he's saying, but he can always swipe the plausible and nobility card and say, well, no, I wasn't making an actual political statement.

[785] Like, I know that there are reasonable people on the other side.

[786] No, you're pushing a narrative that has been pushed for decades about an organization that fights for the Second Amendment.

[787] the same narrative that's being pushed by groups of people who say the only thing standing in their way of more gun control is the NRA.

[788] So what do you do?

[789] So where does the NRA get its power from?

[790] Because they talk out of both sides of their mouth.

[791] They never gets the power from their, sorry.

[792] The NRA gets their power by their membership.

[793] Right.

[794] So what do you do?

[795] You do your best to stifle that membership.

[796] You make it seem as unattractive as possible.

[797] And then your audience is already large.

[798] uneducated on the issue, right?

[799] And then there's already this perceived notion that the NRA is just a bunch of racist white rednecks, right?

[800] So then what do you do to further that narrative?

[801] You talk about their platform and then you pull out all of those things that further drive that narrative while ignoring the most popular figure on the platform.

[802] Which is me, and who so happens to be black.

[803] So what does that say?

[804] It tells me that this is, that it was deliberate.

[805] I really do want to agree with you and say, you know what, he's white.

[806] He didn't want to be seen as attacking the black guy, so forth and so on.

[807] I think there's a little of that, but I think there's also he's doing a show.

[808] Let me explain how a show works.

[809] He's got a team of writers.

[810] There's a ton of people back there.

[811] They are just trying to be funny.

[812] They are trying to make points for sure, but they're trying to find stupid shit that they can mock.

[813] And why would they concentrate on the guy who makes sense if they're looking for stupid shit that they can mock?

[814] They're not trying to make a balanced reasonable argument like maybe we would do right here right now.

[815] What they're doing is doing a condensed, edited down, very smooth, polished television show where that rant has been dissected and gone over by a team of writers, and they have video that corresponds to it and photographs that they shoot, go to, and they have clips that they show, and then they mock the clips.

[816] It's a comedy show.

[817] They do have a point, but it's a comedy show.

[818] Absolutely agree with you.

[819] So that's why they didn't go after you is because maybe you're a lawyer, maybe you're articulate, maybe it is because you're young and black, and they just don't.

[820] feel like it's a smart thing to do, but it's because they're making a show.

[821] I agree with you.

[822] Now, I'm going to tell you why my panties are in a ruffle about it.

[823] Okay.

[824] It's because I understand the influence of that show when people make political decisions.

[825] But don't you think it's preaching to the choir, that show?

[826] What do you mean?

[827] That show.

[828] Yeah, John Oliver's show, I think if I had a guess, how many people who are watching that show are left -wing leaning, democratic leaning, liberal leaning.

[829] I would say it's a giant percentage.

[830] Here's the problem, though.

[831] the number of people who come to me and say I don't I don't deal with the NRA because they're racist and they're a bunch of white rednecks who says that oh god I get it all the time well what is the evidence that they point to they just assume that they're racist yep that's that's just it yeah because in their in their attempts to just make a show right and I agree with you wholeheartedly I absolutely agree with you but we can't undermine how influential that show is that crafting people's thoughts about particularly issues and ideologies within this country.

[832] Right.

[833] And so I stand back and I'm like, man, this is dangerous because to me, the Second Amendment is incredibly important, right?

[834] I don't, you know what the funny thing is?

[835] I thought the monologue was hilarious.

[836] He's a funny dude.

[837] The monologue is hilarious.

[838] I'll give him the monologue.

[839] The monologue was funny.

[840] Well, then isn't he a funny dude because he said that funny monologue?

[841] He was a funny dude during that 20 -minute monologue.

[842] Sometimes he's not.

[843] You've got to demonstrate consistency.

[844] You got to demonstrate consistency.

[845] Okay.

[846] Yeah, give me consistency.

[847] You give me some consistency.

[848] I'll let you drop the ball a couple times here and there.

[849] That's fine.

[850] But as far as consistency.

[851] It's tough job, that John Oliver guy.

[852] He's got a tough job.

[853] I think it's incredibly tough.

[854] I think comedians don't get enough credit.

[855] I'm not sure he's even a real comedian.

[856] I mean, is he a stand -up?

[857] Does John Oliver do you stand -up?

[858] Is that the barometer for being a comedian stand -up?

[859] For us.

[860] Yeah, there's a big difference.

[861] Stand -up to me terrifies me. The thought of ever having to, like, keep in mind, I'll get in front of a million people and talk all day long.

[862] But the thought of stand -up, see, I get to cloak some of my humor in seriousness, right?

[863] So it's easier, right?

[864] I can do little stuff here and there.

[865] And, like, oh, he's kind of funny.

[866] Well, no, it's only because it's contrasting against something that's serious and you don't expect the humor.

[867] Do you remember the way you felt before you walked into that shooting range and those guns were going off?

[868] And you're like, holy shit, it's really happening.

[869] Yeah.

[870] Now, think about how you feel now.

[871] When you walk into the range, like, I go to the range.

[872] Yeah.

[873] I go to the range all the time.

[874] You know, especially when I was rifle hunting, I would go to the range.

[875] at least once a month and you know got used to it you go you hear the bang bang bang you put your fucking headphones on you just walk up you say hi to everybody that you see there all the time everybody's super polite at the range that's one thing man people are polite as fuck at the range because everybody around you has the ability to kill you they're just not everybody around you especially when I mean I was in the rifle section I've got a 300 wind mag I'll blow a fucking hole in the side of Or outdoors?

[876] Outdoors.

[877] Outdoors.

[878] I mean, Jesus.

[879] That's a goddamn canon.

[880] Yeah.

[881] You know, and everybody around you's got one of these things, too.

[882] Everybody can kill everybody.

[883] And everybody's like, hey, man, how you doing?

[884] What's up?

[885] How's everybody doing?

[886] Everybody's super friendly.

[887] Everybody's shaking hands.

[888] It's a mutual respect.

[889] But it's interesting.

[890] That's an interesting.

[891] I mean, that's a weird statement that gets thrown about a lot of times that a well -armed society is a polite society.

[892] There were two times in my life where I felt vehemently insecure.

[893] The first time I carried a gun, out of my house in my first MMA class Oh yeah That makes sense But what I was going to say Is when you go to the gun range A bunch times Then it becomes normal Mm -hmm Comes life That's what stand -up is Gotcha Same thing I mean you still Can eat plates of dicks On stage on occasion It can go south And it's terrible It's one of the worst Feelers ever Your bit about Texas Fucking dead on And hilarious Oh were you there You know No I just thought Which bit Which bit Where you're basically About Buckees or about, oh, the lions.

[894] Yeah, about the tigers, people that keep the tigers in the yard.

[895] That shit's true.

[896] And you basically talking about, we need these people.

[897] Yes.

[898] If shit goes south, we're not fighting wars with people of Santa Monica.

[899] That is true, man. People who have never been to Texas do not understand.

[900] That is the America of America.

[901] We don't play.

[902] No, Texas doesn't play.

[903] We are most arrogant summer bitches on the planet.

[904] It's also like when people think of America, like overseas, they think of like these fucking crazy people with guns that have jacked up trucks who are driving too fast.

[905] The girls have big tits.

[906] The guys are fucking crazy.

[907] That's what we think of.

[908] That's Texas.

[909] Like, that's not America.

[910] As a whole, it's Texas is the most exaggerated form of it.

[911] Texas houses the most exaggerated form of it.

[912] Yes.

[913] Well, there's a lot of cool people in Texas.

[914] Yeah, Texas is way more diverse people give a credit for.

[915] Austin, which is like super left leaning.

[916] Austin is like California in Texas.

[917] It's a little bit.

[918] But I think it's a little cooler.

[919] It's smaller.

[920] But it's the thing I said about Texas that's true is there's more tigers in captivity in Texas than there are in all of the wild of the world.

[921] More tigers in private collections.

[922] That's fucking true.

[923] And when I read that, I was like, oh, my God, I have to figure out a way to make this funny.

[924] It's the craziest fucking statistic I've ever heard in my life.

[925] In people's yards.

[926] I'm not going to lie to you.

[927] I grew up my entire life in Texas wanting a cheetah.

[928] I'm not pushing you I want a cheetah Why do you want a cheetah They're beautiful man They are beautiful man And just watch And the funny thing is I'd get a cheetah And put it in the yard No big in this room And expect to see the beauty of it running Right Well you know it's also fucked up I don't think you're allowed To like just feed them animals I don't think you're allowed And just let loose a goat And have the cheetah Tackle the goat and fuck it up I think you have to feed them meat You know?

[929] Like already cured and processed And stuff like that wild kingdom shit go down in your yard.

[930] I don't think they allow that.

[931] I don't know.

[932] You did say we only have three pages of loss, so.

[933] If it's not in no three pages.

[934] Let me say, you know, I say, no shit about tigers.

[935] Order it up, dude.

[936] Order it up.

[937] You know, the funny thing about it is when I got in the firearms, I lived in Texas my whole life, and I went, what, 23 years without ever shooting gun, touching a gun.

[938] And when I got into it, I started, the first thing I wanted to do was shoot competition.

[939] Right.

[940] And so when you shoot competition, you know.

[941] Do you do those competitions like John Wick style where you go to, bang, bang, bang, bang.

[942] A thing pops up, bang, bang, bang.

[943] Yeah, three gun.

[944] They call it three gun.

[945] Three gun.

[946] Yeah, so basically, three gun consists of three different platforms, a rifle, shotgun, and a handgun.

[947] So how does this competition work?

[948] So basically they just set up, it's basically set up various courses where you have to utilize one of those three platforms.

[949] Some of the courses you utilize all three.

[950] And so it's just, it's just, and then you're set to a timer.

[951] You got to clear the course as fast as possible.

[952] Oh.

[953] Yeah.

[954] And the clearing the chorus is, are you, is there, like, walls that you have to look behind?

[955] Oh, yeah, no. You're, you're, it's only limited by your imagination.

[956] Do you ever see that shit where Keanu Reeves was preparing for John Wick, too?

[957] Yeah, was there.

[958] Oh, you were there.

[959] Well, I was, okay, so I was there, not for that particular video that went viral, but I was there one day when he was training.

[960] And so I met him after the fact.

[961] How is he?

[962] Um, different.

[963] How is he different?

[964] He's, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um.

[965] Spacey Spacey Yeah Interesting But not in the bad way It's a very very calm energy Yeah You know why Why That's how he handles being that famous Gotcha He just shuts off I picked up on it immediately Yeah And it wasn't It wasn't bad It wasn't a bad thing It was a good thing You gotta realize He's the Matrix guy That's some over -the -top fame He hit that Johnny Depp Tom Cruise level of fame and then just became this super chill, mellow guy that can just, like, go through crowds.

[966] That guy sits on the subway by himself.

[967] No, like...

[968] That's freaking awesome.

[969] Yeah, but there's no obvious outward displays of wealth from him.

[970] I mean, he's insanely wealthy.

[971] But when you see him, he's dressed like me. Yeah.

[972] He's got, like, a regular watch on and sneakers.

[973] He's normal as fuck, man. It's real weird.

[974] Like, he's figured out a way to avoid...

[975] Like, there he is right there on the fucking subway.

[976] Just chilling.

[977] You know, and he looks like a totally normal dude.

[978] Yeah, well, and people freak out.

[979] They're like, is that?

[980] No, it can't be.

[981] Like, people ignore him because he's figured out a way to just sort of blend in.

[982] And then even if you talk to him, he's just normal.

[983] Like, everybody that I know that's met him said the dude's like totally, look at it.

[984] He lets his chick sit down, you know?

[985] He said, do you want to sit down?

[986] Go ahead.

[987] Boom.

[988] And he just stands up.

[989] Look it.

[990] I mean, even the way he's not, no bodyguards.

[991] You know what's interesting about his demeanor and how, like, he doesn't have this sense of entitlement?

[992] And I'm bringing it back to the gun thing a little bit.

[993] The first time I carried a gun, remember I told you, those are two most of the times where I felt more insecure was my first day in MMA and carrying a gun for the first time.

[994] But carrying that gun for the first time made me realize, holy shit, I'm not the only one.

[995] Right?

[996] So it actually humbled me. And from the standpoint that knowing that you don't know who you're dealing with.

[997] And when you carry a firearm on you, you have the ability to.

[998] to go from zero to 100, like that.

[999] And so you develop a respect for that.

[1000] Also, you start to develop a respect for life as well.

[1001] Right.

[1002] Because you understand how fragile.

[1003] You start to realize how fragile it is.

[1004] Right.

[1005] And so for me, I actually became more docile.

[1006] Like, I don't get road rage.

[1007] Right.

[1008] Because I understand, and because I live in Texas, you don't do that.

[1009] Yeah.

[1010] Smart.

[1011] No, it's not.

[1012] But I also know that, like, there's so much responsibility that comes are carrying a firearm.

[1013] It's unreal.

[1014] And so for people who go out of the means to learn to do it and be able to do it, like there's a certain level of respect you have to have for it because it comes with a lot.

[1015] There's certain places you can't go, certain things you can't do, things you have to be cognizant of.

[1016] So I actually started staying away from certain places because I knew I had a gun on me and I never want to have to be put in a situation.

[1017] I actually have to go for it.

[1018] Now, do you wear a gun all the time?

[1019] If I can do it legally, I am.

[1020] Really?

[1021] Yeah.

[1022] And what is the idea behind that?

[1023] Is that like it's better to have it not to need it than to need it and not to have it?

[1024] Yeah.

[1025] It's no different.

[1026] It's literally just a part of my routine.

[1027] Watch, watch, keys, phone, wallet, gun.

[1028] One in the chamber or no?

[1029] One in chamber.

[1030] Always.

[1031] Safety on.

[1032] The gun I usually carry doesn't.

[1033] They don't have external safeties.

[1034] It's just I carry in a holster.

[1035] So if you carry in the holster, it shouldn't be an issue.

[1036] Wow.

[1037] Yeah.

[1038] That's interesting.

[1039] So you just want to be really, really ready.

[1040] Yeah.

[1041] You don't want to have to, no. And see, here's the thing, that's progressive.

[1042] I wasn't always like that.

[1043] I started off not caring with one in the chamber.

[1044] When did you start putting one in the chamber?

[1045] When I started understanding and trusting the mechanics of a firearm.

[1046] Because when I started caring, I knew about guns.

[1047] I didn't trust the mechanics.

[1048] Right.

[1049] So that extra step, you don't feel like it's necessary of like.

[1050] No. What do you mean in terms of like having a rack to come?

[1051] Yeah.

[1052] Well, I understand that, I understand.

[1053] So I started doing training.

[1054] right?

[1055] And I started training with guns and self -defense and stuff like that.

[1056] And I started realizing, you know, so the gun isn't an end -all be -all, right?

[1057] It's just a tool that I carry with me that could possibly save my life.

[1058] I could still die with a gun on me. For sure.

[1059] But I started weighing the disadvantages and the advantages of having one in the chamber, right?

[1060] I might find myself in a situation where, you know what?

[1061] I have time to, okay, I'm a bind here.

[1062] And I have time to rack it.

[1063] And do what I need to do.

[1064] There may be other times where I won't.

[1065] But if I already have a round in a chamber, those times where I will have the time and not have the time won't make a difference because there's already one in the chamber ready to go.

[1066] Yeah.

[1067] So from that perspective, as I got more comfortable with the gun and realized, holy crap, the gun never just went off on its own because there was an inherent fear there, right?

[1068] It's like you don't want the gun to go off while it's in your pants.

[1069] Do you have like one of them, Kidex holsters that's form fitted to the gun?

[1070] Yeah.

[1071] I have tons of holes.

[1072] I have a box full of holsters.

[1073] Sure you do.

[1074] Yeah, because I review guns and review gear and stuff.

[1075] So I'm constantly switching, which is a gift and a curse because, you know, I never perfect any platform, but I can, you put any, pretty much any gun in my head, I can use it decently.

[1076] Now, when things happen, whenever there's a mass shooting or something, immediately people want to blame gun owners or people that want to protect gun owners and specifically NRA members.

[1077] This comes down on you sometimes.

[1078] This always comes down.

[1079] It does, right?

[1080] Like they point to you, you're the problem.

[1081] It comes out on me. You, the people that want guns and the people that don't want regulations and don't want, you know, additional screening.

[1082] Yeah, because you got to think about it.

[1083] So, like, the figureheads, when you start talking about Wayne and so people go after them clearly, right?

[1084] But then also you have the personalities of the brand, which is me, Dana and Dana Lash.

[1085] Yeah, Dana Lash, right?

[1086] She's an official spokesperson, right?

[1087] It's very nice later.

[1088] Yeah, I met her.

[1089] Exactly.

[1090] And then you have Cam Ed.

[1091] words.

[1092] They're on his show as well.

[1093] And so what tends to happen is I get it a lot via social because that's how I built my brand, right?

[1094] I built my band through social.

[1095] And so most people will, when they can't descend, like, I don't think Wayne LaPierre has a Twitter page.

[1096] You know what I mean?

[1097] He doesn't have an Instagram account.

[1098] So he's probably in a bunker somewhere.

[1099] Nah, no. He's not.

[1100] He's more normal than you realize.

[1101] I believe.

[1102] I believe you.

[1103] Well, you're.

[1104] What you are is an interesting version of the NRA.

[1105] It's like, oh, this is the NRA too.

[1106] Like, this is a kind of a new thing.

[1107] It's multifaceted.

[1108] Like, I dare anyone to go to the NRA annual meetings.

[1109] And then if you can, I don't know how secluded it is.

[1110] Go to the board meeting that they have at the NRA meetings.

[1111] You'll be surprised.

[1112] They have every race you can think of, different sexualities, you name it.

[1113] Oh, I believe you.

[1114] Look, I was in the NRA forever.

[1115] I just let my membership lapse like a year and a half ago.

[1116] But I was in the NRA because I just felt like, I know people that are just like, we've got to get rid of the guns.

[1117] I'm like, man, I don't think that's going to do it.

[1118] And I don't think that's going to stop anything.

[1119] And I ask people this all the time.

[1120] I've done it on my show.

[1121] I call it the big red button question, right?

[1122] So you put a big red button.

[1123] I'd ask them, if I put a big red button in the middle of the table, if you push this button, all the guns on the planet disappear, would you do it?

[1124] And I'll get various answers, but I wouldn't do it.

[1125] And people are like, why?

[1126] You're like, why would you not?

[1127] that'd be the end of violence.

[1128] I'm like, not really.

[1129] It's also the end of defense.

[1130] Exactly.

[1131] Especially when you're talking about military.

[1132] I mean, if you can't, if you don't have guns, like, what are we going to fight with swords and bows and arrows and shit?

[1133] You know what the interesting thing about that, too, is a lot of people on the other side will say they were like, why do you need an AR -15?

[1134] And then the inverse one, I say the Second Amendment is actually not about hunting.

[1135] It's about defending ourselves from a tyrannical government, domestic or foreign.

[1136] They're like, oh, you think your little stupid guns are going to be able to defend against the government?

[1137] I'm like, well, then why don't you give me the guns that the government has then?

[1138] And then they get quiet because they realize a contradiction in what they're stating.

[1139] Well, it's also the government, when you say the government, like protect us against the government.

[1140] We are the government.

[1141] The government's filled with people.

[1142] Like the cops are us.

[1143] The problem is this separation of us.

[1144] If you gave me a red button said, could I end all senseless violence by hitting that button?

[1145] I would say yes.

[1146] And then when people say it's a guns problem, I said, do you know that London passed New York City for the first time since 1800 in homicides and they did it with fucking knives.

[1147] With knives to the point where that goofball mayor of London, that dork on his Twitter page said there's no reason to carry a knife if you get caught carrying a knife, you'll be prosecuted under the fullest extent of the law.

[1148] A fucking knife.

[1149] I've got a knife.

[1150] Oh, I don't have it on me right now.

[1151] But I have a knife on me all the time.

[1152] This is the same country that utilizes the shining example of what we should be doing in America.

[1153] Exactly.

[1154] And they have more murders in London from knives.

[1155] And here's a funny thing about that, too.

[1156] You know, like, and so they have an uptick and acid attacks.

[1157] I'm sorry, I think I'd rather be shot.

[1158] Yeah, that acid is crucial.

[1159] Well, that's a thing that people are doing to ex -wives and shit, too.

[1160] Yeah, that's, I mean.

[1161] That is dark.

[1162] That is some inhuman shit.

[1163] But it's also, all of this stuff, it comes down to, like, what makes a fully developed person.

[1164] Instead of looking at what's available to a fully developed person and what would allow a fully developed person to commit horrific crimes, what turns a person into that?

[1165] We should be looking at from the root to the fully grown.

[1166] Like, what is the process that allows someone to become a mass shooter?

[1167] What's the process that allows someone to throw acid in someone's face?

[1168] Man, because I clearly have to frame everything to my perspective because, you know, I know it the best.

[1169] But, like, even for me, like, I said it in video before.

[1170] If I ever had to pull my gun and shoot someone to take a life, I'm going to need therapy.

[1171] Yeah.

[1172] I am.

[1173] Because I value life that much.

[1174] I value it to...

[1175] Right, but do you have children?

[1176] No, I don't.

[1177] Let me tell you something, man. If you had a kid and some guy was trying to hurt your daughter and you shot him, I think you'd sleep like a baby.

[1178] You know what?

[1179] That's interesting you say that, because when I talk to women about firearm ownership, right?

[1180] Like, none of the girls have ever been in relationships with were like pro -gun, right?

[1181] But over time, you know, dealing with me. I mean, when you walk into my house and there's five rifles on the table, you kind of just have to get acclimated.

[1182] But in dealing with women who start off initially as anti, a lot of them talk about not wanting guns because they can't see themselves taking a life.

[1183] But the moment I asked them, would they take a life to protect a child?

[1184] Oh, yeah, I'm blowing that sucker away.

[1185] Yeah.

[1186] You know, and that's interesting how that works, how we, and I felt like I agree with you.

[1187] I'd be the same way.

[1188] Preserve innocence.

[1189] Preserve a child.

[1190] and, you know, whatever it is that turns a child into some monster that could shoot up a school, I think that's what needs to be examined.

[1191] I mean, and this is not a part of the narrative.

[1192] It's not a part of the discussions.

[1193] No one's bringing it up.

[1194] All people bring up is the event themselves, the gun violence, and we need to keep the tools away from people.

[1195] I just think the tools are one part of the problem.

[1196] I definitely think that you should, if there is a way, we should figure out a way to keep psychopaths from owning guns.

[1197] But how do you determine whether or not someone's a psychopath?

[1198] So they do something psychopathic.

[1199] Yeah, and then someone will talk about, well, you know, Australia, they had one mass shooting in the 1990s.

[1200] They took all the guns.

[1201] There's 18 people in Australia.

[1202] It's as big as the United States.

[1203] There's less people.

[1204] Not to mention crime went up after they did that.

[1205] Did it?

[1206] Violent crime went up when they did that.

[1207] That's what people don't want to talk about.

[1208] And you're right.

[1209] Like, people forget context.

[1210] They're like two people in Australia.

[1211] Well, do you know about this one town in Georgia where a firearm, only, you're a firearm, ownership is mandatory.

[1212] I do remember hearing about that.

[1213] And they made it mandatory and violent crime and everything dropped radically.

[1214] Break -ins dropped radically.

[1215] They made it mandatory.

[1216] Everybody has to have a gun.

[1217] And everybody was like, fuck the crime.

[1218] I think about it.

[1219] I need to find a new way to make a living.

[1220] Well, because most dudes, like, look, most dudes who are engaged in crime, right?

[1221] Of course, you have your sickos who just love violence, right?

[1222] Most of them just crimes of opportunity.

[1223] Yeah.

[1224] Right.

[1225] So they're looking for victims.

[1226] They're looking for easy victims, easy targets.

[1227] Right.

[1228] If you know you're going to deal with someone who possibly is going to kill you, they don't want to die.

[1229] Right.

[1230] Which is why you've seen a lot of these videos with these home invasions where you watch when the actual homeowner has a firearm, once the shots start, once a bullet start flying, they're gone.

[1231] Yeah.

[1232] They're taking off.

[1233] Nobody wants to get shot.

[1234] Right.

[1235] So it always boggles my mind when people are like, well, you don't need a gun for this or you don't need a gun for this.

[1236] I'm like, no, I do.

[1237] And they're like, well, the chances of you ever needing it or using it.

[1238] That's a stupid argument.

[1239] It's incredibly moronic.

[1240] Sure, chances are you've gone through life right now.

[1241] However old you are when I'm talking to you, you haven't been shot.

[1242] So the chances are 100 % that you didn't need it.

[1243] Right, but that doesn't mean you won't need it in the future.

[1244] That's a crazy conversation.

[1245] I don't think the conversation should be about the tools.

[1246] I really think the conversation should be about what makes a person capable of doing that.

[1247] I mean, if the conversation is what makes a person such a fucking nut that they have so many guns that they don't know what to do with, I mean, you have so many guns, you don't even know how many you have.

[1248] Is that bad?

[1249] I don't know.

[1250] You seem like a reasonable guy.

[1251] I'm not worried about you.

[1252] But even then, I can only use one gun at a time.

[1253] I only have two hands.

[1254] I get that, but the idea is like, what if someone breaks in your house and steals your guns?

[1255] I'm sure you have been a safe.

[1256] But if somebody breaks in your house and steals your guns, like what that?

[1257] So that's my fault now that somebody wants to break the law and break into my house?

[1258] No, the idea is like access.

[1259] Now you're giving access.

[1260] Yeah, but you're limiting.

[1261] It's a very different argument.

[1262] Very different.

[1263] Yeah, exactly.

[1264] But you're still, but that fundamentally goes back to the idea that people want to undervalue this is a constitutional right right yeah um and so what we end up we find ourselves doing is finding ways to limit that right because of the few bad people in our country right you know and i just think that's the wrong way to go about it because we're basically devolving ourselves down to a point where we're not going to have any rights left because there are a couple of bad people here who might do something bad with the rights that you have i think it's the wrong way to go about it too um but if you if we had no violence in this country if something happened human beings evolved if our switch changed and there's no more violence.

[1265] Would you still want to have guns?

[1266] Yes.

[1267] You want to have them for recreation because you enjoy them.

[1268] That's something people don't want to hear.

[1269] Yeah.

[1270] You're like, I always tell people if you've never shot a gun, if you've never gone to a gun range, you probably should, because it is actually fun.

[1271] It's fun.

[1272] Now, if you do that activity and you're not thinking about hurting someone and all you're thinking about is focusing on the target, trigger control all that stuff is that bad we do a thing on my show we call it athletic shooting right so my background before I got in the guns was sports I was in the basketball football I ran cross country track you name it so when I got in the guns so my dream was to go to the NBA when I was younger right clearly that didn't happen and it wasn't going to but you know there was that that athleticism still in me So what we did on the show when we were talking about coming up with a different shooting competition was how do I incorporate, I thought of how do I incorporate some of the athleticism into shooting, right?

[1273] Which is essentially by and large a lot of running and just shooting a different position and so forth and so on.

[1274] And so when we're doing that, I'm not thinking about shooting a person.

[1275] That's not the type of shooting I'm doing.

[1276] Right.

[1277] Doing target shooting.

[1278] Doing target shooting with some athleticism involved in it.

[1279] And so and people undervalue that.

[1280] Like, it's kind of like, how can you not see that these are other ways that firearms are used, which is why I started my brand, the P -P -P -P -P -U life, right?

[1281] Pew -P -P -E -W is predicated around.

[1282] P -E -W.

[1283] For people who don't understand, that's the people who use guns a lot.

[1284] Exactly.

[1285] It's a firearm lifestyle, yeah.

[1286] Out here doing hashtag Poo -Pew -Pew.

[1287] Yeah, because, I mean, it's a think about it.

[1288] When we were kids, it was all so simple, right?

[1289] Like, Cops and Robbins is a gun, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, we do that.

[1290] And so, but then, so I want to capture the recreation involved in playing cops and robbers as a kid, but then also understanding the very definitive and distinction between the good guys and the bad guys.

[1291] Right.

[1292] Right.

[1293] People who live this lifestyle are good people.

[1294] They enjoy guns for recreation.

[1295] They also understand that we live in the world when not everybody's good.

[1296] Right.

[1297] Right.

[1298] So we also own guns for our own self -defense.

[1299] And so it's a culmination of this lifestyle that comes together and we appreciate guns in a way that some people think is perverse.

[1300] But how is it any less, how is it any different than me obsessing over the Aston Martin DBS for the last 20 years, is that perverse?

[1301] It's still a mechanical item.

[1302] Yeah, the potential for violence is what scares people.

[1303] Yeah, but I mean, when the guy kills 86 people in Nice with a truck.

[1304] Right.

[1305] No, it's a good point.

[1306] I mean, it is a very good point, and no one's trying to outlaw trucks.

[1307] No. But it's this thing that we have in this country, where we have more guns than we have human beings.

[1308] And that's, that disturbs people.

[1309] Yeah, because they inherently vilify the firearm.

[1310] Right.

[1311] Which is why I have another hashtag that I call Still Waiting.

[1312] Still waiting for what?

[1313] Still waiting for my gun to jump up on its own and kill somebody.

[1314] Mm. Right?

[1315] It is relatively tongue -in -cheek, but at the same time, what it does is it transfers to focus.

[1316] And in it, I say, when a drunk driver gets behind the wheel and kill someone, we don't blame the vehicle for it.

[1317] We blame the driver.

[1318] Right.

[1319] Right.

[1320] So when somebody goes out and commits violence with a firearm, why aren't we focusing on the people who are doing this?

[1321] instead of focusing on the firearm.

[1322] Well, I think we should certainly be focusing on the people.

[1323] As we said, we should certainly be focusing on what happens to a person that makes them develop into the type of person that can go into a movie theater and shoot it up, like the Aurora, Colorado guy.

[1324] Let's talk about that a little bit, because it's a conversation that we don't have, honestly.

[1325] And I don't have the answers.

[1326] I can think of several things.

[1327] You know, the easy answer for me is to say is our culture, right?

[1328] we maybe have a culture that facilitates this or we have a situation where there are people who do flip between the cracks and the one pays attention to them.

[1329] There's certainly some of that.

[1330] And I do think there is a lack of...

[1331] You can't, right?

[1332] Pay attention to everybody.

[1333] You can't, but then also I think there's, like, I was raised by a single parent mother, right?

[1334] And my mother overcompensated when raising me because she understood the limitations of her being a woman raising a young man, right?

[1335] So she was unnecessarily hard on me. My mom has zero tolerance for my emotions.

[1336] Absolutely zero.

[1337] So what she taught me growing up was how to deal with adversity.

[1338] Taught me how to deal with failure, how to get past those things, taught me how to be self -assured.

[1339] And so what I think we're lacking to a degree in this country is people not having the coping mechanisms to deal with failure or to deal with rejection.

[1340] You know, some get it worse than others.

[1341] I agree.

[1342] There's definitely not.

[1343] There's definitely people that feel like they're outsiders and they want to.

[1344] flip the board over.

[1345] They're losing the game, and they just want to flip the board over.

[1346] And that seems like that Parkland kid, I mean, there were kids that were worried about him before this ever happened, and that his whole thing was that his life was shit, and he wanted other people to experience that.

[1347] Yeah.

[1348] And the thing is it's like, the hard thing about it, too, is not I realize, and it just came to my mind.

[1349] I think sometimes I don't even want to talk about the mental health aspect of it in this particular case of the parking shoot, because I just want to relegate him to evil.

[1350] right right because it pisses me off yeah like you're you're taking innocent lives because you feel bad go in a corner and shoot yourself but that's the case there's a romanticized version of that too where people just want to take everybody out take all the people out that you saw that were doing well while you were struggling there's that but man but the world always flips man oh yeah it flips if you've got a good attitude and you're a healthy person like yourself but if you're mentally ill and your life has been just tormented and abused and just your mental health issues and you're all fucked up.

[1351] It's, I don't know what the answer is.

[1352] I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that the problem lies in the individuals that are capable of committing that and how they become that.

[1353] Because you make a great point because you got to think like, what mindset you have to be in to walk down the school hall and just shoot people.

[1354] Shoot kids.

[1355] Just shoot them.

[1356] It's just innocently.

[1357] Just, it's fucking gross.

[1358] Yeah, whether it's Sandy Hook or whatever.

[1359] any one of these things, like, you have to be fucked up to do that.

[1360] Like, as, and how many people are running around that are like three quarters fucked up?

[1361] They only need a few bad things to go wrong.

[1362] And relatively speaking, when you think about the fact that there's 300 plus million people in this country, these are relatively, relatively few people that they're capable in that actually act on such a horrific act.

[1363] But what do you think can be done to stop this stuff?

[1364] Have you thought about it?

[1365] Yeah, I think about it all the time.

[1366] It's a harder question for me to ask them to come up with ways of why we don't need gun control.

[1367] Right.

[1368] You know, because that's, that's, you know, it's hard.

[1369] I think so, too.

[1370] Especially when I'm taking gun control off the table because people are always saying, you know, you guys don't want to move one inch.

[1371] Well, I was like, yeah, because we've been moving an inch for the last 20, 30 years.

[1372] So the problem is it's a fucked up argument because the people that are holding the guns are not necessarily the people that are doing these things.

[1373] You're trying to attack the vast majority of gun owners are not committing crimes or guns.

[1374] They're not.

[1375] So when I think about what can we do to stop different types of shooting, for instance.

[1376] Let's start with the – let's start with the type of shootings that happen the most, gang violence.

[1377] Right.

[1378] So if you look at the statistics, you think, oh, my gosh, America's a war zone, right?

[1379] 30 ,000 people a year die?

[1380] And then the vast majority of it, that is remaining as actually.

[1381] homicides is gang violence, so then we have a gang problem.

[1382] We don't have a gang problem in this country.

[1383] We have a socioeconomic problem in very specific areas in this country, right?

[1384] Because I just came from Southside Chicago where I started in High Park where Obama used to live and then drove a few minutes into an area that looked like a bomb went off.

[1385] They don't have the violence in High Park that they had in that area.

[1386] Why?

[1387] They had the same access to illegal guns.

[1388] They don't have the same problem because there's a different difference in economics and no one wants to address that right if i'm a kid growing up in that neighborhood and i'm going to a school that's shitty right they don't give a damn about me i i lucked up and was able to go to good schools right i went to schools where my teachers cared i went to schools where teachers pushed me when i was slacking off you know i had the ability to take out loans to go to a good law school you know i had those abilities if i'm a kid growing up in this environment And I can't find refuge in my school.

[1389] I can't find refuge at home because my mom's working three or four or five jobs.

[1390] So she's never there.

[1391] Where am I going to go find parents?

[1392] Where am I going to find that parental influence?

[1393] I'm going to find it on the streets.

[1394] So now I'm on the streets being led by people who grew up in the exact conditions that I grew up in.

[1395] And so now I'm like, okay, well, I have to make money.

[1396] What am I going to do for money?

[1397] Well, then there's their narco economy very conveniently right there for me, right?

[1398] So drugs.

[1399] So now I'm selling, now I'm staying on a corner selling, drugs.

[1400] I got to protect my product, right?

[1401] If I don't, someone's going to take it from me. So what do I do?

[1402] I get a gun and I carry a gun.

[1403] Now I'm stuck in this situation.

[1404] Now I'm just stuck in this violent loop, right, that feeds on itself.

[1405] And so now I'm stuck defending myself against the guy who's shooting at me trying to take my stuff and I'm shooting back at him.

[1406] Maybe not because I'm trying to take his stuff, but because he's trying to take mine.

[1407] Right.

[1408] So that's where you get that violence that comes from that, from those particular areas.

[1409] Now, if we would have sat back and said, okay, we have hyper -concentrated areas in this country.

[1410] This isn't widespread.

[1411] It's hyper -concentrated communities in this country that are dealing with this, that are also the result of the vast majority of our gun violence.

[1412] If we sat back and thought about it from a social and economic standpoint, how do we fix this?

[1413] What do we do?

[1414] How do we present opportunity?

[1415] I'm not saying going there and just hand out stuff, but how do we fix this from the standpoint of improving our schools?

[1416] How is I can drive five minutes, one direction, and have a school that has everything you can name And then driving the opposite direction, the school can barely have textbooks to give to their kids.

[1417] Think about that.

[1418] Yeah.

[1419] So why aren't we focusing our energy on building that up versus talking about, oh, we need to get the guns off the streets?

[1420] You did that.

[1421] You have that in Chicago.

[1422] You have every gun law imaginable in Chicago.

[1423] But yet, South Side Chicago still looks the way that it does, still has the violence that it does.

[1424] Right.

[1425] So if we provide, when you give people something to lose or to live for, they don't throw way life so easily.

[1426] Plain and simple.

[1427] So if my social economic status is in the dirt, I don't have a problem looking at another kid down the street and shooting out him and taking his life.

[1428] I don't have anything.

[1429] I don't have anything to lose.

[1430] But if we would focus our attention in fixing that, same way we talk about the mental health issue with respect to mass shootings and school shootings, we wouldn't have to worry about the guns because we won't have people wanting to do those things or have the capability to do those things, right?

[1431] So then that deals with that vast majority of the violence that we have there, focusing that energy and fixing those communities.

[1432] I agree with you 100%.

[1433] And we've talked about this many, many times in the show that I think that if you wanted to make America a better place, one of the best ways to do it is to make it easier for someone to succeed, make it easy, and stop pretending that it's a level playing field.

[1434] I didn't grow up in a level playing field.

[1435] I got lucky.

[1436] You got lucky.

[1437] A lot of people did.

[1438] and if you go to somewhere like the South Side of Chicago and you don't realize that you got lucky, you're blind.

[1439] There's, if you want to, what's the best way to make America stronger?

[1440] Less losers.

[1441] Less people who lose.

[1442] How is that?

[1443] Well, give them more of a chance.

[1444] Give them more of an opportunity and give them guidance ship, community centers, clean up the streets, fixed buildings, but that's a lot of fucking money that we're spending right now in Afghanistan and Iraq and building missiles and all kinds of crazy shit that we're not putting any money into that.

[1445] But then who do we hold accountable?

[1446] So for instance, like if we talk about the inner cities, for instance, they've been democratically run for ages now.

[1447] The local leadership there is democratic.

[1448] Right, but there's no money.

[1449] The problem is there's no money's going somewhere.

[1450] I mean, look at Chicago.

[1451] It's just not enough.

[1452] I mean, the money is going into the areas where people are wealthy and that's what they're supporting.

[1453] They're not supporting these impoverished areas.

[1454] And you know what?

[1455] You're absolutely right.

[1456] so if that's the case and we all understand that and you know that stop selling this bullshit about gun control then but let's just say that's just one aspect oh no I'm yeah I was moving to the next one yeah I agree with you there so in that sense when it comes to gun violence it's very complex when it comes to gang violence it's very complex and I agree with you that they need there's no other way to stop that than to fix the inner cities where people are just in that cycle of constant poverty and crime and It's all they see around them.

[1457] So it becomes normalized.

[1458] Yeah, absolutely.

[1459] So now let's talk about mass shootings.

[1460] Mass shootings, right?

[1461] So get rid of gun -free zones.

[1462] No one wants to hear that.

[1463] Get rid of gun -free zones.

[1464] If you're not going to establish a perimeter outside of a building where I can go, don't tell me I can't bring my gun in there.

[1465] A sign on a window is not stopping somebody from coming into the building.

[1466] We've seen it time and time and time and time again.

[1467] If the guns were the problems, we would have a mass shooting at every gun show every single day.

[1468] But we don't.

[1469] Why?

[1470] The same reason you pointed out why that one place in Georgia, when they said everybody had to have a gun, crime went down.

[1471] People don't want to hear that, though.

[1472] They don't want to hear that the answer to gun violence is everyone has a gun.

[1473] That's such a convenient answer for a guy like you.

[1474] It's very convenient.

[1475] So many guns you can't count.

[1476] But here, let's look at the alternative.

[1477] We've been living in it.

[1478] right and we're acknowledging that there's a problem right so why are we entertaining the fact that maybe that is the case right but do you think that like school shootings for example do you think that these teachers being armed would be the answer all right so or do you think there should be armed security on the campus I say it should be multi -layered right because if you if you really want to put things in a perspective and the NRA didn't add about this and people got pissed off but it's the truth.

[1479] Whatever, whatever school the president's kids go to, they are guarded by guns.

[1480] Right.

[1481] That school is protected by guns.

[1482] Right.

[1483] Right.

[1484] Anything we hold valuable in this country is protected with guns.

[1485] No one is more anti -gun than Hollywood.

[1486] When you hear about any sort of crime or gun violence, the left -wing people in Hollywood are the most vocal, the most virtue signaling, the quickest to jump on their pedestal.

[1487] Meanwhile, what percentage of their fucking movies involve gun violence?

[1488] And if you look at the Academy Awards, did you see the security at the Academy Awards?

[1489] You see all these left -leaning, liberal actors being protected by people with flack jackets on, carrying guns with fingers outside the triggers.

[1490] I mean, dogs.

[1491] It's crazy.

[1492] You know what it is, though?

[1493] It's a loss of touch with reality.

[1494] Well, they're also insulated and protected.

[1495] That's part of it.

[1496] Because in her mind, their mindset goes like this.

[1497] Well, I have security guards.

[1498] I mean, Kim Kardashian is the biggest.

[1499] I did a video on that, so I was the first thing that came to mind.

[1500] The biggest hypocrite on that, right?

[1501] Well, she's a dumb, dumb.

[1502] Yeah, of course.

[1503] But she also influences a ton of people.

[1504] Yeah, right?

[1505] That's unfortunate.

[1506] Exactly.

[1507] Steve Harvey had her on Family Feud.

[1508] and they were on family shoe the Kardashians in the West were talking about how fucking stupid Kim was but we know this though that's the crazy thing there's no incentive for her to be intelligent there isn't I mean she's good at making money oh absolutely yeah absolutely and I don't falter for that hey make you money boo boo boo but but at the end of the day she still has access to scores of young influential minds I understand that that's unfortunate but there's nothing we can do about that there isn't but other than you point out the fact that she's a dumb dumb pretty much yeah yeah yeah it's not terrible person she's not i don't think it's be i don't know i don't know the woman i just don't well i've heard her to talk i just don't think she's really interested in expanding her mind i just don't think that that's something that's not benefits but that's her here's the thing about that though the mindset though is there are people who we pay to carry guns right i don't need to carry them therefore you don't either So what you're saying about her is that she is anti -gun.

[1509] She talks about being anti -gun, yet she's constantly surrounded by people who have guns.

[1510] That's a fact.

[1511] Absolute fact.

[1512] So then you can't turn around and tell me that, no, you don't need a firearm.

[1513] Right.

[1514] Of course you don't, bitch.

[1515] Seven -foot -tall dudes strapped to the fucking gills all around you.

[1516] Yeah.

[1517] So it's, man, it's frustrating because it's like, I get it.

[1518] I would love to have eight dudes standing out here with AR -15 slung over their shoulders, ready to protect me at a given notice.

[1519] If I could afford it, I'd pay for it and not do it.

[1520] The funny thing is, I'd still carry a gun on me because they can't always be exactly where I am.

[1521] Right.

[1522] You know what I mean?

[1523] Dude, that's a paranoid way to live, though, isn't it?

[1524] What difference does it make?

[1525] Think about it.

[1526] How much does it affect me?

[1527] I wake up every day, put a gun on my hip and go out and do the exact same thing I would do if I didn't have a gun.

[1528] But you don't think about it.

[1529] So in a sense, you feel like you're not paranoid.

[1530] I'm not paranoid.

[1531] No, no more paranoid than any person that has a fire extinguisher in their house.

[1532] Think about it.

[1533] It's like, I don't walk around like, oh, my God, oh, my God, who's coming to get me?

[1534] That's paranoia.

[1535] Right.

[1536] All I'm doing is being prepared, right?

[1537] Now, there could be levels of preparedness that you start to hit diminishing returns where it starts to be, like, it starts to take away from your quality of life.

[1538] But me putting a gun on my hip and just going about my business, that doesn't interfere with my life enough to say, you know what?

[1539] It's not quite worth it.

[1540] You know, it's funny that what you said about, like, humility and that you're, like, more calm and relaxed since you've been involved in guns.

[1541] The same thing happens with jiu -jitsu and martial arts training in particular, but jiu -jitsu in particular because you get strangled so much.

[1542] My neck hurts right now because I was rolling with a guy just before I came up, like, last week.

[1543] And, man, it's such a beautiful sport.

[1544] It's beautiful, but it also lets you know, like, your place in the food chain, especially when you first start out.

[1545] No, these, I mean, like, you start to realize you really honestly can't call out an elite human until it's too late.

[1546] What do you mean?

[1547] So when I started, before I started really kind of getting into, you know, like MMA, so forth and so on, I thought I could spot out the guy you don't want to mess with.

[1548] Oh, right.

[1549] You know what I mean?

[1550] Yeah.

[1551] And then I went to class and then he, you know, my coach started pairing me with different people.

[1552] And I'm like, holy crap.

[1553] Like, if I would have seen this dude who was just walking down a sidewalk, I'm like, yeah, I can handle him.

[1554] and now I'm rolled up in the pretzel was nuts in my face Yeah, nerd assassins There's a lot of nerd assassins out there Yeah Man at 10th planet We got a whole fucking army of them They're like computer dorks And they'll kill you with their legs Yep They'll wrap their legs around your neck And choke you to sleep And you can't even stop it from happening It's crazy Nothing man And then I always get stuck And I'm gonna overpower him And I'm like no Yeah you're better off being weak Believe it or not The best jujitsu is weak man's jujitsu I always say if you're gonna learn Jiu -Jitsu, learning from a small guy.

[1555] Yeah.

[1556] Because you learn from a small guy, they've never been able to cheat, meaning they've never been able to muscle their way out of things.

[1557] They've always had to have perfect technique.

[1558] Yeah, technique is everything when it comes to jiu -jitsu.

[1559] Literally, you have to have some strength, for sure, and strength with technique is the ultimate.

[1560] But perfect technique is where it's at, and you get that from like little guys, like Barrett Yoshida, Eddie Bravo, Hoyler, Gracie, the smaller guys are the ones that you want to learn from because they've never been the big guy.

[1561] The big guys are like top game guys.

[1562] The smash pass guys.

[1563] Those guys are just relying on horse power and leg strength and shit.

[1564] That's not the way to learn.

[1565] You know, the way to learn is to go around things.

[1566] Gotcha.

[1567] And, you know, the funny thing about that is, do you know why I started doing it?

[1568] Why?

[1569] Someone said, what if they take your gun away, bro?

[1570] No one said that.

[1571] I said it to myself.

[1572] Oh, right.

[1573] I said to myself because I almost thought I was over dependent on it.

[1574] Because remember, the gun is a tool.

[1575] Do you carry a knife, too?

[1576] I used to He's like that's bitch I used to But I float I'm in this weird space Where like my jeans are Kind of sort of a little too tight And not like So they're not quite skinny jeans But it's kind of like After a certain point I have too much stuff going on in my hands I got the answer for you my friend Oh here you go It's called a fanny pack You know they're not gonna let me get away What the fuck are you talking about We're not gonna get away of a fan bag You can go buy one right now I'll give you one Do we have some here?

[1577] Would you never wear this?

[1578] You would never wear this?

[1579] I'm down to try anything.

[1580] Come on, man. Well, tactically.

[1581] I got my money.

[1582] I got a wallet.

[1583] Some of them, they have, like, ones that are tactical ones.

[1584] They rip them open.

[1585] That's what I'm trying.

[1586] Yeah, you have a tactical one.

[1587] I'm all for it.

[1588] No, this is just a regular one.

[1589] See, this is you keep your shit on you so you don't have your pockets all filled with shit.

[1590] See, I do have a knife.

[1591] Here's my fanny pack.

[1592] This is what I consider a faddy pack.

[1593] Oh, that's a little big.

[1594] Yeah, I know.

[1595] But then again, I'm the guy who...

[1596] But I'm the guy who runs around with MacBook, iPad.

[1597] Right.

[1598] You know, because I have...

[1599] carry one everywhere?

[1600] Pretty much.

[1601] If I can bring them back.

[1602] Because I'm constantly working.

[1603] Writing, working, yeah.

[1604] Right.

[1605] What kind of stuff do you write?

[1606] I script pretty much 80 to 90 % of my show.

[1607] Oh, okay.

[1608] Yeah.

[1609] Oh, no kidding.

[1610] Yeah.

[1611] I write all the videos I do, I write them.

[1612] Do you write them and they put them on a teleprompter?

[1613] Do you practice it out?

[1614] Sometimes it's straight off the top.

[1615] Sometimes in teleprompter, it just depends what we feel is going to communicate the best to what we're trying to achieve.

[1616] Oh, that's cool.

[1617] Yeah.

[1618] Well, that shows work ethic for sure.

[1619] I mean, I don't have a life.

[1620] You don't?

[1621] I really do.

[1622] I don't.

[1623] All I do is work, work out, and eat.

[1624] So is this, these videos, is this your entire life now?

[1625] For the most part, yeah.

[1626] In terms of, like, your occupation?

[1627] Exactly, yeah.

[1628] So you don't work as a lawyer?

[1629] I do a little bit.

[1630] I still have deal with a small firm in Houston.

[1631] And then, so other than that, just other investments and things that I have going on.

[1632] Just about it.

[1633] So you were able to make a living off of these videos?

[1634] There was a time when you could do it on YouTube.

[1635] Right.

[1636] None anymore.

[1637] Yeah, it's real recent, right?

[1638] Within the last six or seven months.

[1639] Well, actually, us gun guys started noticing that drop a long time ago.

[1640] Like I'm talking about, we went from like to like half.

[1641] Yeah.

[1642] And then now it's like 70%.

[1643] So, and that happened like a couple of years ago.

[1644] And how does that work in terms of like, do they pick certain videos that are just not eligible for monetization?

[1645] Is that what it is?

[1646] No, before it was just a drop in organic reach.

[1647] It just started like it wasn't anything formal.

[1648] So they've filtered you out.

[1649] That's what I picked up on because I started noticing.

[1650] I'm like, wait a minute.

[1651] Like, I mean, I wasn't living off the YouTube stuff, but I was like, this is, it went, like, I just got my income cut in half.

[1652] It's weird.

[1653] Yeah.

[1654] Well, there's, there's been some people that have investigated this and there's been some in -sized sources that have told people that they actively target conservatives, gun owners, red, they do it on Twitter.

[1655] They do it on a lot of, a lot of different places.

[1656] I don't doubt it.

[1657] I don't doubt it at all.

[1658] They do it.

[1659] It's 100%.

[1660] Was that guy, American Provada guy, that did those undercover investigative reports.

[1661] He sent a bunch of people into, like, bars and talked to Twitter engineers.

[1662] You know what I'm talking about?

[1663] Yeah.

[1664] Now, I will say this, though.

[1665] There are, so, like, there are certain people in these places that are actually, they may not even agree with my stance, but I've talked to them, and they'll help me out the best that they can.

[1666] You know, some people on Facebook, some people at YouTube.

[1667] so forth and so on, because there are all those individuals, you know, the, a column column ghost supporters in a sense because, you know, they can't be too explicit about their, you know.

[1668] Yeah, you're not going to have just a complete uniform, left -wing ideology at any of these organizations, it's going to be some people that, but they get stuck in these group think environments like Google or wherever the fuck it is, and they can't speak out, which is unfortunate because I'm like, isn't this country, this country was founded on the idea of having having this is it, Project Veritas?

[1669] Fair toss.

[1670] Yeah, yeah, I didn't remember here about it.

[1671] Release undercover footage of Twitter employees and employees, engineers and employees admitting that Twitter employees view everything you post on their servers, including private sex messages and dickpicks.

[1672] See, that's why I don't send dip pics.

[1673] Damn it.

[1674] I never said it.

[1675] The engineers also admit that Twitter analyzes this information to create a virtual profile of you, which they sell to advertisers.

[1676] James O 'Keefe has completed the book about the series entitled American Provada, My Fight for the Truth in the Era of Fake News.

[1677] news.

[1678] Yeah.

[1679] So this guy has sent a bunch of people to talk to like engineers.

[1680] I've seen the videos where they're explaining how they, uh, with algorithm.

[1681] Yeah, how they make it so that these people don't even know that people can't see their, their tweets.

[1682] I get it all the time.

[1683] People send it to me all the time.

[1684] Like, hey, you know, um, for some reason YouTube is forced me to unfollow you.

[1685] Like I thought I followed you, but then I'm not following you.

[1686] And I think some of that's paranoia and some of it is.

[1687] Some of it is.

[1688] Some of it isn't.

[1689] Yeah.

[1690] Um, but, um, but it still begs the question because the numbers don't lie right so like i know with facebook there was times when i was reaching millions of people with just a post but then that got cut in half but largely that was due to monetization that was before facebook was monetizing itself so they wanted to now they're they want you to pay to get access to your audience yeah you get what i'm saying so that i i don't like it but it isn't it isn't like some deep secret kind of like oh i want to stifle you know your reach because you believe in it's now there may be some of that going on, right?

[1691] So I had, for instance, like, I buy ads for my, like, merchandise that I sell on Facebook, right?

[1692] Because if I just post a picture of it, my entire audience doesn't see it.

[1693] Right.

[1694] Right.

[1695] And so somebody went through at Facebook and just deleted all of our ads.

[1696] Like, especially it turned money on ads.

[1697] And they just delete, disapproved them out of nowhere.

[1698] And so then I called a contact and it was like, no, that shouldn't have happened.

[1699] And then it went back and put them back up.

[1700] So sometimes it's even individualized.

[1701] Right.

[1702] You know what I mean?

[1703] It's just an individual who disagrees with everything you stand for who has the power to do it.

[1704] Well, you remember when that guy did that with Trump, disabled his Twitter?

[1705] Yeah, he deleted it for a couple days or hours or whatever, yeah.

[1706] Yeah.

[1707] You know, there's definitely people that have that kind of power and they abuse it.

[1708] I mean, you see that everywhere.

[1709] You see that with moderators on message boards.

[1710] You see that with, you know, every time people have more power than you, and they go, I don't like this fucking guy, this guy talking about his guns.

[1711] Fuck his ads.

[1712] And they just yank them.

[1713] The weird thing is, though, like, I don't complain about it on my platform at all because no one cares.

[1714] Yeah.

[1715] Because I remember the first time YouTube started taking off, like, demonetizing my videos for ads.

[1716] I mentioned it.

[1717] And a lot of my own people were like, good.

[1718] I don't like those ads anyway.

[1719] Oh, like, you do realize I have to pay to get this stuff done, right?

[1720] Right.

[1721] You know?

[1722] Well, no one seems to care until it comes and affects them.

[1723] They don't realize that essentially what they're doing is they're censoring you by, diminishing the amount of money that you can make.

[1724] You know, you could say it's not real censorship, but it is censorship.

[1725] I mean, it's pretty much what I'm dealing with right now.

[1726] So, for instance, right, my videos don't come out as consistently.

[1727] Like, I do gun reviews.

[1728] I'm known for my gun reviews, right?

[1729] And I like my gun reviews to be very cinematic, voiceover.

[1730] I put thought into them.

[1731] I write scripts out for my videos.

[1732] The problem is, too, now before or where I could afford to hire someone to edit them, I can't.

[1733] Right, right.

[1734] And I need that now more than ever because now on the political front of the things, I'm running around, I'm traveling.

[1735] That's why I always have my MacBook with me. I have to try to find places where I can try to edit a little bit and get things done.

[1736] But then the same people who are like, we don't care about the ads on your videos and you making money from your videos are saying people like, why aren't you making videos as much as you're used to?

[1737] Well, I'm like, well, I don't have the money to pay someone to edit the videos in order to keep pumping them out the way I was doing it before.

[1738] And I'm not going to give you some quality crap.

[1739] I could just toss a video together and just throw it out there.

[1740] It's just too much noise.

[1741] You can't listen to all those people that are complaining and asking for things.

[1742] Which is true.

[1743] But I really do think that Twitter or YouTube rather, is fucking up because they're opening up the door to a competitor that is really invested in free speech.

[1744] I disagree.

[1745] Really?

[1746] How so?

[1747] It's the advertisers.

[1748] They are at the mercy of the advertisers.

[1749] They are, but I know people over at YouTube.

[1750] They are deciding what they want said and not said.

[1751] And this is how I know.

[1752] I brought up Jordan Peterson to this woman that worked at YouTube.

[1753] I'm a huge fan of.

[1754] And she said, he's a troublemaker.

[1755] And I said, how is he a troublemaker?

[1756] She had no answer.

[1757] She said a radical left wing, but not thoughtful.

[1758] Not thoughtful.

[1759] Like, she doesn't have a good argument for this.

[1760] And when you push back, she's used to being the boss at work.

[1761] She's used to just dismissing you.

[1762] And when I was pushing back with her, like, why is that?

[1763] Why is he a troublemaker?

[1764] You tell me what's problematic about what he says.

[1765] No answer to that.

[1766] But yet, able to dismissively say someone's a troublemaker when they're a very highly respected intellectual that has amazing points about a lot of different things.

[1767] It resonates with a lot of very, very smart people.

[1768] I think he's the Nietzsche of our time.

[1769] He's a very bright guy in a really good human.

[1770] When you meet him, he's a really good person.

[1771] So for someone to say he's a troublemaker.

[1772] Like, okay.

[1773] No, because he doesn't agree with you and he's causing trouble with your organization because you're censoring people's views and viewpoints.

[1774] And it's so convenient to label someone alt -right or, you know, I mean, this is this is what what we're dealing with today.

[1775] There's these...

[1776] I hate identity politics.

[1777] It drives me insane.

[1778] It's crazy.

[1779] It's crazy how many people flock to it, too.

[1780] Because it's intellectually easier.

[1781] Very easy.

[1782] Yeah.

[1783] It's very easy.

[1784] You can sit there and then you can just regurgitate all of the talking points that you have.

[1785] This is why I don't do well on cable news hits.

[1786] Yeah.

[1787] Because what ends up happening is like on this issue, I intellectualize it, right?

[1788] Like the conversation we're having now.

[1789] Mm -hmm.

[1790] Like I get the benefit.

[1791] I love this because we get sitting.

[1792] here.

[1793] If we need to think about something, you know what?

[1794] You know, that's a good point.

[1795] Yeah.

[1796] You know, let me think about that for a little bit.

[1797] Like, on cable news now, you can't do that.

[1798] You can't do that.

[1799] I think that this kind of platform is the best platform because the conversation is never interrupted.

[1800] You never stopped for ads.

[1801] And no one can tell us when I'm about to ask go to the bathroom here.

[1802] Oh, you go ahead, man. It's all right.

[1803] We could wrap this up soon.

[1804] But I wanted to, I really wanted to get to other than not having gun -free zones.

[1805] Yeah.

[1806] I mean, not having everyone armed to the teeth.

[1807] Well, no. Here's the thing.

[1808] Here's the thing I'm saying.

[1809] If you're going to have gun -free zones, make them real gun -free zones.

[1810] Don't just put a sticker on the window and then say, you can't bring your gun in here.

[1811] And then not have physical measures in place to prevent it.

[1812] Because otherwise, I'm allowed by - How would you prevent it?

[1813] If you have like a movie theater or something like that.

[1814] If you have a movie theater, if you're going to make it a gun -free zone, have a metal detector.

[1815] Yeah, but if somebody comes in and the metal detector goes off, you're still fucking guns in the room.

[1816] And what are you going to do?

[1817] You have armed guards to.

[1818] key people from so then so then don't make it a gun free zone right okay but even if you don't okay say if you have a gun free zone and you have a movie theater and you put the metal detectors on the only way to enforce that is to have guns okay yeah but you know I'm saying so if you want to hire if you want to hire if you want to hire armed guard to stand there right with the metal detectors because I mean the metal detectors are only as good as the person being able to enforce it right so we need we need the executive right right so that would be an armed guard right right so We think about it, though.

[1819] We do it at the airport.

[1820] Yes.

[1821] You know what I'm saying?

[1822] We do it at certain nightclubs.

[1823] When I go, I'm not admitting to go into strip clubs where I am.

[1824] When I go to strip club, I get patted down.

[1825] There's a guard there.

[1826] There's usually three guys there with guns.

[1827] Right.

[1828] I mean, and I don't, besides the people they let in who shouldn't have them anyway, there's always going to be cracks, right?

[1829] Right.

[1830] But at least if you're going to make it a gun -free zone, put up the physical preventative measures to reinforce that.

[1831] You can't just, a lot of people just throw a sticker on a window and say, this is a gun -free zone.

[1832] The only people who are going to obey that are the people you're not even worried about anyway.

[1833] Well, the thing about movie theaters is movie theaters don't even say this is a gun -free zone.

[1834] They do.

[1835] When do they say it?

[1836] There's some, like, so for instance.

[1837] Some movie theaters?

[1838] Yeah, there are.

[1839] It's state -to -state.

[1840] Right.

[1841] So, for instance, like in Dallas, right, where I live.

[1842] There are some movie theaters where I can bring my gun in, no problem.

[1843] There are other movie theaters that have these signs that say, you're not allowed to carry a gun in here.

[1844] right and so it is state to state some states they just require you to put up a sign it sounds like it's business to business too it is it absolutely is so from that perspective it's like it's like even the courthouse right when i go to the courthouse is a gun -free zone minus the fact if you're a cop but what do you have to do when you go to a courthouse you go through metal detectors there are cops there with people there with guns so what do you do about schools same thing but like these guys that are showing up they're not even they're not even students of that school like parkland yeah Or Sandy Hook.

[1845] Think about it like this, though.

[1846] This is where the argument gets really disingenuous.

[1847] Because it's like, oh, we want to save our kids' lives in schools.

[1848] Right.

[1849] Right.

[1850] So the inner cities have more violence than we can think of, right?

[1851] There's tons of shootings that go on outside of the schools in inner cities.

[1852] When's the last time you heard a mass shooting at inner city?

[1853] Very, very rarely.

[1854] Very rarely.

[1855] Yeah.

[1856] If not ever.

[1857] If not ever.

[1858] What's the one thing that they all have?

[1859] Metal detectors.

[1860] Huh.

[1861] What's the one thing that Parkland?

[1862] didn't have metal detectors.

[1863] What's the one thing that a lot of these suburban schools that get shot up don't have?

[1864] Metal detectors.

[1865] Well, you know, it's one of the things that they've found, too, is that it's a very strange sort of situation, but when you deal with places that have a lot of violence, when you deal with places that have gun violence and crime, what you don't have in those places is the random mass shootings.

[1866] You have one -on -one crime, one -on -but -the - The tangible reality of actual gun violence, for whatever reason, sort of eliminates these mass shootings.

[1867] The mass shootings tend to occur in places where people think they're safe.

[1868] Yeah.

[1869] Like schools, movie theaters.

[1870] I think there's just a concert.

[1871] There's a different dynamic involved.

[1872] You know what I mean?

[1873] It's going to become more of an anomaly because if you compare the violence in the inner city to the violence in the suburbs, which present themselves in by way of mass shootings, if you compare the numbers, As a whole, mass shootings account for a statistic for about one to two percent of all gun violence, right?

[1874] And so, but there's an exceedingly higher number of percentage of gun violence in the inner cities, right?

[1875] And it all really goes back down to what I said before.

[1876] It's about the economics.

[1877] So you have a situation in the suburban areas where economically speaking, they're good, right?

[1878] So there's not really an incentive to just engage in random violence.

[1879] Right.

[1880] You know, there isn't a narco economy there that feeds on itself that requires you to engage in a certain level of violence in order to survive.

[1881] Whereas on the other hand, in the inner cities, you do have that dynamic.

[1882] So from that perspective, what ends up happening, though, even though there is an, money isn't everything, right?

[1883] Money doesn't cure all.

[1884] So you're still going to have instances of people who slip through the cracks because money doesn't cure everything.

[1885] And so when it does happen, it manifests itself in these random acts of mass shootings, right?

[1886] Whereas here, there isn't, if I know I'm going to school and I'm going to have to deal with, I'm going to have to inevitably deal with the violence outside of school anyway, it almost makes it unnecessary to engage in random acts of mass shootings.

[1887] It's almost kind of like this perverted distraction from wanting to mass shoot a place up when you have to deal with violence on an ongoing basis every single day of your life.

[1888] Right.

[1889] You know what I mean?

[1890] I think that's what their point was.

[1891] Their point was that when violence is real and it's around you all the time, it doesn't become this attractive blow up the game.

[1892] option.

[1893] Dude, why don't you go take a leak and then we'll wrap this up when you get back.

[1894] Young Jamie's going to show me his collection of guns while you're gone.

[1895] He carries one in his pants at all times, strapped right next to his dick.

[1896] Do you think you'd ever carry a gun?

[1897] What if someone came in here and got us license for concealed carry and said young Jamie, you need to be strapped.

[1898] All you have to do is fill out this paperwork and I'm going to make it happen man i just don't personally feel i mean i just i feel like it's also naivity or whatever that i don't feel the need to do it well most of the time you wouldn't have the need to do it right right the thing the question is if you were at a place like you know fill in the blank whenever one of these things has gone down a nightclub let's say that gay nightclub in orlando maybe you're curious and you walk around the movie theater how about the movie theater how about batman the night it came out yeah how about the batman one or wasn't there one an amy schumer movie There was.

[1899] I think so, yeah, yeah.

[1900] Yeah, there was a mass shooting.

[1901] A concert.

[1902] No, I think it was an Amy Schumer movie, one of our movies.

[1903] Because she became like this big anti -gun advocate afterwards.

[1904] What, do you think that you would ever find yourself in a situation where you'd want a gun?

[1905] I mean, after that happened, I just, I've gone to movies and pictured it happening.

[1906] Right.

[1907] And I don't, I don't, you just think about what you would do.

[1908] And I don't know that pulling out a gun and firing back is even in the, my conscious thought.

[1909] It's definitely in the cards.

[1910] If the guy has a gun and he's in the room and you see one guy shooting people and you're there and he's not shot you yet, it's definitely in the options.

[1911] I suppose to, yeah, it depends on how long you're in there too.

[1912] It's also whether or not you can keep your shit together while someone's shooting.

[1913] You know, I mean, keeping your shit together while guns are going off, but that is not a normal thing for you.

[1914] And the amount of adrenaline that would be pumping through your body, we're talking about if you were in a situation where a mass shooting was going down.

[1915] The people that think they could just pull out their gun and shoot that person, you might fucking hit random people.

[1916] You might hit the wall.

[1917] You might hit the ceiling.

[1918] Like, here's the thing about, I'll tell you, I have a lot of experience in archery.

[1919] And one of the things that happens with people when they're shooting alive animals, they panic.

[1920] A big fucking moose walks in, and you might hit that moose in the dick.

[1921] You might not even, the thing's as big as a building, and you might miss it totally.

[1922] I mean, it happens all the time.

[1923] 20 yards away people miss the entire animal they just and that's something that's not even going to fight back that's just a moose for the and the Vegas shooting thing any any witness reports or anything are so hard I feel like anything even video reports there's it's such a chaotic situation Sunday night everybody's wasted yeah so wasted what are you going to do you have no idea well it's also one of those things too where it's a real problem with the conspiracy theories because one of the things that happened out of the Vegas situation was people would show up at all these different casinos and say someone's shooting.

[1924] So they would say the security would go, there's an active shooter at Circus Circus.

[1925] There's an active shooter.

[1926] So all the conspiracy theories were like, look, there are shooters everywhere.

[1927] There were shooters everywhere.

[1928] No, there was people everywhere that were freaking out because this fucking guy was just gunning people down from a hotel room.

[1929] One thing I've learned about being a lawyer, eyewitness testimony is not reliable.

[1930] I witness testimony is dog shit, man. I've had people tell me about situations where I was there.

[1931] I was there.

[1932] I'm like, dude, that is not what fucking happened.

[1933] And then you have to go over it with them.

[1934] And they're like, oh, yeah, maybe you're right.

[1935] I will say this, though.

[1936] People stopping mass shootings with firearms happens more than people realize.

[1937] It does happen.

[1938] But to deny it happens, it's very disingenuous.

[1939] To deny it happens.

[1940] Yeah, there's a lot of stories out there where it's happened and people don't know about it because they're not going to push it.

[1941] So you think the elimination of gun -free zones would be the way to protect people?

[1942] I say, I'm going to clear it, I'm going to clean up a little bit.

[1943] If you're going to have a gun -free zone, have physical preventative measures in order to enforce it.

[1944] If you're not going to do that, eliminate them.

[1945] I think first and foremost, this would be the first thing that we should do.

[1946] There should be some sort of a public hearing on the use of SSRIs, antidepressants, psych medications, and their corresponding instances, like the amount of instances, where these shooters are on these things.

[1947] Because I don't think people are aware.

[1948] I'll say this much to pick you back off what you're saying.

[1949] If I was diagnosed with a mental disorder, first thing I would do is I would go to a bookstore or go online and figure out every possible way that I can self -help my way through it because I won't touch this stuff.

[1950] Well, one of the things that's just as effective, if not more effective.

[1951] I think, Google this.

[1952] Cardio, I think exercise and running, is more effective to treat depression than SSRIs.

[1953] I am almost certain that that's the case.

[1954] I don't doubt it at all, man. You think so many people are addicted to marathons?

[1955] Yeah.

[1956] Oh, believe me. They're going to get high.

[1957] Yeah.

[1958] There's something to it, man. I get high when I run, for sure.

[1959] Does there anything there?

[1960] Every time I go to the official site, it says it's not a real thing.

[1961] Who's what official site?

[1962] The NCBI.

[1963] What is the NCBI?

[1964] Where they did a study on it is exercise of viable treatment for depression.

[1965] Oh, they want to say no, get pilled up.

[1966] But there are studies that have been done that show, because I know Rhonda Patrick was discussing it.

[1967] I have to be freaking, I hate taking medicine.

[1968] Like, I have to be on the floor before I even take Tylenolone.

[1969] For depression, prescribing exercise before medication.

[1970] Aerobic activity is shown to be effective treatment for many forms of depression.

[1971] So why are so many people still in antidepressants?

[1972] Well, here's one reason.

[1973] And this is not to dismiss the people that are depressed, because I know people that are depressed.

[1974] horrible thing.

[1975] And I know people that have been helped by antidepressants.

[1976] I know people that my good friend Ari, he was suicidal.

[1977] He got on antidepressants.

[1978] He's happy as fuck now.

[1979] He's off of them.

[1980] It helped him.

[1981] Yeah.

[1982] My friend Brian, it was the same thing, not the Brian that we know, another Brian.

[1983] He was a jiu -jitsu guy that I knew.

[1984] He had a real fucking problem.

[1985] Got on SSRIs, turned his life around, found a good woman, got in a great relationship, started his own business, weaned himself off of him.

[1986] Now he's happy.

[1987] Sometimes people find ruts in their life.

[1988] We had a podcast with a guy who wrote a book on it, a guy, Johann Hari, who wrote a book on depression.

[1989] SSRIs for depression, heart failure, patients not so fast.

[1990] The studies should put to rest the practice of starting SSRIs and depressed patients with heart failure in an attempt to affect CVD outcomes.

[1991] What is CVD?

[1992] Cardiovascular disease.

[1993] Oh, okay.

[1994] Oh, well, that's with people with heart problems.

[1995] Specifically, but it's also depression.

[1996] Yeah.

[1997] People with depression and heart failure.

[1998] Yeah Fucking exercise, I think, is It's a requirement of the human body.

[1999] I agree with that.

[2000] Something.

[2001] Yeah.

[2002] Because even my darkest times.

[2003] So I'm never at my, I'm never more at my best than actually when I'm down when I'm going through things.

[2004] Because my response to it is to tighten up.

[2005] Forces you to focus.

[2006] Exactly.

[2007] And so one of those things that I do is, like I've been to the gym every day for the last two weeks, right?

[2008] It forces me to, one of those things that happens is I start working out more because of the clarity of mind I get after the fact, right, and in the sense of accomplishment.

[2009] And then it kind of starts me off in a way where it's like, okay, now what's next?

[2010] It's like I'm chasing the next thing to conquer.

[2011] But, but yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

[2012] I think focusing on, focusing on means outside of just prescribing pills.

[2013] Right.

[2014] I don't like taking pills.

[2015] I don't like things that alter my mind.

[2016] I don't like it.

[2017] Maybe because I'm a control freak in that sense.

[2018] How weird, a guy with a hundred guns is a control freak.

[2019] Might have something to say about that.

[2020] You know, I actually was just thinking about it.

[2021] I had thought while I was using your super toilet.

[2022] Crazy toilet, right?

[2023] You got to take a shit.

[2024] It's the where to go.

[2025] I was thinking, I was like, man, yeah, I should get Joe Rogan one of my guns.

[2026] And then I realized you can't even own it here.

[2027] I can't?

[2028] Nope.

[2029] What can I own?

[2030] What do you have that I can't own?

[2031] Well, it's the first gun I've done.

[2032] So this one just so happens to be one that you can't own.

[2033] So you have a company that makes him.

[2034] Is that what it is?

[2035] Yeah, I have a, what I did was I came out with a signature series line of handguns.

[2036] Well, this is the first one because it's not allowed in California.

[2037] What's wrong with it?

[2038] Y 'all have a list of guns that you're allowed to own that it's not on.

[2039] And then like you would have to, there's this micro stamping that's required for any gun that's not on list and it's so prohibitive yeah it's weird so what is the different what kind of guns are they what is it as far as that i can't the one that you have that i can't have oh i can have and pull it up on the side if you want okay you mean that particular gun yeah oh yeah what's about it like what is the specs they just it just it just it just is like it's just their list of guns i don't really know exactly is it the caliber is it the semi -automatic capabilities No, because there are some automatic guns on the list that you're allowed to own.

[2040] There are other...

[2041] So it's just arbitrary?

[2042] That's what it seems like to me. What kind of gun is it?

[2043] Tell Jamie, he'll look it up.

[2044] If you want to pull it up, pull up, T -Y -R -E, D -E -F -E -N -S -E -E -F -E -E -F -E -E -E -Fense.

[2045] There we go.

[2046] Yeah, there's some weird shit.

[2047] I mean, we got Jerry Brown as our fucking governor in that goofball.

[2048] Let's see.

[2049] Firearms transfers.

[2050] Work order for the phone, gallery, contact.

[2051] I don't think that's the...

[2052] Tier one.

[2053] Yeah, that's not it.

[2054] Tier one.

[2055] Yes, it'd be tier, T -Y -R -E.

[2056] T -Y -R -E.

[2057] There we go.

[2058] No, not Tyree, You're having a really hard time.

[2059] You're having a really hard time.

[2060] It's not coming up.

[2061] People are paying attention to them.

[2062] It usually comes up when I'm typing this stuff, so they don't have to type the whole thing.

[2063] This is why people can't shoot people.

[2064] but when there's a mass shooting going on.

[2065] Pressure.

[2066] Actually, no, you see one where it says The Advocate?

[2067] Yes.

[2068] That's it.

[2069] The name of the gun is the advocate.

[2070] Someone might have beat now.

[2071] T .Y .R. service unavailable.

[2072] Oh, the hackers.

[2073] They got to it already.

[2074] It's the fucking Russians, bro.

[2075] Capacity problems.

[2076] Go back again?

[2077] Capacity problems.

[2078] I don't know if everyone.

[2079] Do you think we already killed it?

[2080] We just killed it?

[2081] You'd be going to take a couple hundred people at a time.

[2082] But by the time that it hits YouTube, though, isn't it a minute or two later?

[2083] 20 seconds.

[2084] 20 seconds?

[2085] Do that's about it.

[2086] Type in, type in the.

[2087] Advocate and then Collian Noir.

[2088] And then see what that does.

[2089] And then, like, erase tiered defense, though.

[2090] Here we go.

[2091] Boom, bum, boom.

[2092] Click on the top.

[2093] Damn, we killed that website.

[2094] Go to images?

[2095] Kill that website.

[2096] All right, there you go.

[2097] I mean, that's those, that's the gun.

[2098] Okay.

[2099] And why that seems like a normal handgun?

[2100] It is.

[2101] So what the fuck is wrong with it?

[2102] Why can't I have it?

[2103] Now I want it.

[2104] Ask the folks, ask your leaders in California.

[2105] But what are they saying is wrong with it?

[2106] like specifically.

[2107] I don't know why they make the decisions they make in California, to be honest with you.

[2108] What is the specs of this gun?

[2109] It is a non -millimeter handgun, semi -automatic.

[2110] Is it because it's semi -automatic or no?

[2111] No, I don't think so.

[2112] No. No. I don't think that's the basis.

[2113] Like, I don't know the complete basis and reasons for why certain guns are allowed handgun -wise in California and others.

[2114] I'm pretty sure they're going to be a ton of people who tell me this because I have a huge audience in California.

[2115] I think it's actually one of my biggest audience.

[2116] There's a lot of gun owners in California People aren't the idea that guns in California Are somehow another rare You know what's funny thing is the birthplace of the AR -15 was in California Yeah Well that's a weird gun It's a gun that people just have demonized It's not the most powerful gun It's not the scariest gun It just looks military But they don't even use it in the military They don't use it in the military But to be honest with you If they did I'd want that gun Why?

[2117] Because it's the most effective means to protect myself.

[2118] Like, I don't, I don't understand this idea of neutering guns to the point where, to neutering guns to the point of irrelevance or ineffectiveness.

[2119] It's people that don't use guns that have this idea.

[2120] And this is, this is where we're at now.

[2121] I think one of the things that I'm getting out of this conversation with you is that there's not really a clean answer.

[2122] There's not a clean answer.

[2123] And if there was, people would have figured it out.

[2124] It's almost like society has to continue to evolve.

[2125] And one of the way society evolves is having the way.

[2126] these conversations you and I having this conversation where a few million people are going to listen to it and then millions of people on their own having these conversations and people looking at the reality and that's in that way I think what you're doing is important and what a lot of people are doing is important where they're talking about the actual numbers and the actual statistics and that's letting us get a look at it and that's the one thing that I try to convey with my videos I don't care where you stand on the issue I just will have a shit ton of more respect for your position, if it's from a position of education.

[2127] If you actually have some knowledge, I'm not saying you have to be a Jedi master of firearms.

[2128] Just understand the very basics, the fundamentals.

[2129] We have politicians pushing policy based on things that make no sense.

[2130] Right.

[2131] Like it actually exposes the fact that they don't know anything about firearms.

[2132] And so it's like you're going to push policy on something that you don't know anything about.

[2133] Right.

[2134] And so it's disingenuous and inherently dishonest.

[2135] So that's the biggest frustration I have.

[2136] I look at it, look, I'm going to educate you and give you the information that you need so that you can make an informed opinion about it.

[2137] If at the end of the day, I take you shooting, I tell you the stats, I tell you about how guns function and how they work.

[2138] If you still are anti -gun, I can respect that.

[2139] Now, that doesn't mean you get to then push your anti -gun agenda on to me and limit my rights because of it, but I can respect that.

[2140] At least we can walk away and say, hey, look.

[2141] We look at it from a different perspective.

[2142] I appreciate that.

[2143] I think we're also faced with the reality of the sheer number of guns that we have in this country.

[2144] It's a staggering number.

[2145] And you're not going to just take those away.

[2146] You're not.

[2147] Where are you going to put them?

[2148] And that's just, now there's some people who are like, well, we can devolve the number over time, right?

[2149] We can just put these laws in and they can get bad for a little bit.

[2150] But then over time.

[2151] I like how you're doing that weird voice when you say.

[2152] I always do that.

[2153] That's the anti -gun voice.

[2154] That's the anti -gun voice.

[2155] Would you be interested in sitting down, like maybe on this show, if I had an anti -gun advocate?

[2156] it.

[2157] I beg for it.

[2158] Okay.

[2159] Not to say, not, here's the thing.

[2160] Here's the thing.

[2161] I'm not trying to get up here and crush this person and all that stuff.

[2162] I've done that to death, right?

[2163] But I do want to have the conversation.

[2164] Right.

[2165] You know, and I've done it on my show.

[2166] The only problem is, is it's too easy to ignore it because of the platform that it's on.

[2167] Right.

[2168] Have you had someone on your show that made reasonable points?

[2169] Like if somebody wanted to watch you in some sort of a debate with an anti - gun person.

[2170] Is there a show that you could recommend that people could go watch right now?

[2171] That I was on?

[2172] Yes.

[2173] On your show?

[2174] On my show?

[2175] Uh, we'll see as a thing, though.

[2176] So one of the biggest flaws of the people that were on my show that had that conversation with is you could instantly see, it was more of an education process because you could tell they didn't know much.

[2177] So what would happen is that they make a point about why they believe this, then I would give them information and then it would be like, oh, okay.

[2178] You see what I'm saying?

[2179] Yeah, I do, seriously.

[2180] Well, I'm sure there's someone out there that is educated and is anti -gun.

[2181] We'll have someone find them.

[2182] I have a publicist.

[2183] We'll have him.

[2184] We'll have Matt Staggs on it.

[2185] Please, let me know, because I would be all for it.

[2186] Yeah.

[2187] I really would.

[2188] There's probably someone out there that's reasonable that has good points and has a well -thought -out, sound argument.

[2189] It would be interesting to listen to you, talk to that person.

[2190] Absolutely.

[2191] But I think one of the things we could take away from this is that this is a, it's a, It's a messy situation.

[2192] It's not clean.

[2193] It's not like, hey, we're putting poison in the water.

[2194] Stop putting poison in the water.

[2195] Clean up the water.

[2196] It is not that simple.

[2197] It's not at all.

[2198] It's super complicated.

[2199] It deals with mental health.

[2200] It deals with freedom.

[2201] And it deals with law -abiding people who aren't doing anything wrong where people are trying to take away their rights.

[2202] They're enthusiasts.

[2203] They love guns.

[2204] And I don't think there's anything.

[2205] Look, here's a perfect example.

[2206] You are sitting here with a gun on your shirt.

[2207] What kind of gun is that?

[2208] AR -15.

[2209] You have an AR -15.

[2210] Yeah.

[2211] I actually sell these.

[2212] I have an archery shirt on.

[2213] I could walk anywhere with this.

[2214] No one would feel threatened.

[2215] I'll kill the fuck out of you with this bow, right?

[2216] But no one would feel threatened.

[2217] But if you walk around with that, people will, you know, like, oh, you are.

[2218] What are you doing?

[2219] You're a gun guy.

[2220] Are you telling people you have that on you?

[2221] Is that what you're saying?

[2222] Are you warning people?

[2223] You're a dangerous person?

[2224] You know, oh, you're an archery enthusiast.

[2225] Oh, I did archery at camp.

[2226] When I was in the Boy Scouts, we shot bows.

[2227] We shot re -curts.

[2228] I'm going to start opening girls at the bar with that.

[2229] I shoot archery.

[2230] It's not a bad move, man. It's not a bad move.

[2231] So listen, I appreciate the conversation.

[2232] I don't think we got anywhere, but I don't think you can.

[2233] I think we talked about it.

[2234] I mean, to be honest with you, it's a conversation that needs.

[2235] So here's what happens.

[2236] Things happen in our reality that force a specific focus on the part of the conversation.

[2237] Right.

[2238] And so, of course, we weren't going to say, I don't know how long we've been here.

[2239] Two hours?

[2240] Two hours, right?

[2241] We've been having this gun debate for how long now in this country?

[2242] Hundreds of years, right?

[2243] Yeah, yeah.

[2244] But I think for a lot of people, especially the people who follow me, they wanted me to come on your show, not because you and I were going to come to an answer, but to educate.

[2245] Right.

[2246] Well, also to have what we have on the show, where I try to have on the show, just discussions, just talk about us.

[2247] Yeah, exactly.

[2248] And let people talk, let people express themselves.

[2249] And I think you definitely did that today.

[2250] You express yourself, you're a very reasonable guy.

[2251] Anybody looks at you and says you're a maniacal gun nut.

[2252] You're pulling that out of your own head, you know.

[2253] But I would love to do that, and we'll try to find somebody.

[2254] We'll try to find somebody if you're open to that.

[2255] Absolutely.

[2256] Trying to find somebody that could argue the point.

[2257] But thank you, brother.

[2258] I really appreciate that.

[2259] Absolutely, no. Thanks for having me, man. It's a pleasure.

[2260] All right, folks, we'll be back very shortly.

[2261] We have a second round two today with Sam Harris and Majid Nuaz.

[2262] See you soon.

[2263] Bye.

[2264] That was great.

[2265] That was fucking good.