#1835 - Mike Judge

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[3] So, first of all, thanks for being here.

[4] Appreciate it.

[5] Great to see you again.

[6] Thanks for having me, yeah.

[7] My pleasure.

[8] I watched Idiocracy this morning.

[9] Oh, boy.

[10] Dude, it fucking holds up.

[11] It holds up.

[12] Does it?

[13] Oh, my God.

[14] It's funny.

[15] I never saw the whole thing before.

[16] It was one of those movies that I just, for whatever reason, I just never.

[17] saw the whole thing it was just well it kind of yeah i didn't have much of a release so it didn't no they it was um i mean to be fair like it was a weird movie it was hard to market it's a funny fucking movie man oh thanks i mean i watched it in the gym while i was working out i was cracking up oh nice to hear it was really it's really good it was like surprisingly funny there was some great stuff about it when it shows the very smart couple that's holding off and having children and the dumb people keep fucking yeah that was uh i feel like i really made the whole movie just to make that sequence that was one of those rare times Patrick and uh darlene the two actors that it's the only time i think this has ever happened they i think they were auditioning them in pairs and they auditioned, and I kind of looked at like two or three more people and then said, okay, let's just cast them.

[18] It's never going to get better.

[19] That guy was so good, Patrick Fisher, yeah.

[20] It was such a good movie, man. It's just like, and it's so interesting, like, looking at the world in 2022.

[21] It's like the only thing you missed was social media.

[22] Yeah, I mean, I keep thinking about all the stuff I missed.

[23] I, I, yeah, I feel that movie was, I feel like it was, to begin with everything that went wrong went wrong everything that could go wrong went wrong like and it was so many things like we shot it here in Austin it's supposed to take place in a drought and it was like the rainiest summer we had to keep killing grass which feels really awful to do but but but we how do you do that oh yeah you put it like a giant piece of like tarp cardboard over it for like two nights or something but then sometimes they have to put gasoline lean on it or something it just feels horrible to kill grass um yeah i don't know and then i feel like the curse of the movie kind of just spread out into the world or something but uh what i was just thinking about this because i can't i have a hard time watching it because it just brings back so many stressful memories but um because it was difficult to make yeah it was just we were you know barely had an impossible schedule and and then in post you know they they just cut We had a bad test screening, and they just cut the effects budget down.

[24] But, I mean, you know, they did pay for the movie to get made, so I appreciate it.

[25] But, yeah, I was just thinking that, so there was the wardrobe woman, whatever, I don't know, what do you, costume designers, the official title.

[26] She, you know, she had a limited budget also, and for the shoes.

[27] So we shot it in 2004, she goes, she tells me, okay, there's a startup, and it was Crocs, but they weren't out in the, world yet but it was a small company and she goes look at these are these horrible plastic shoes holes so we could really save a lot of money just put everyone in these things and then I said well what if but what if by the time the movie comes out what if everyone's what if these become popular and people are wearing them she said oh these are never going to become popular no one would ever wear these things are horrible and then yeah and then and then but then it took two years for the movie to come out then everyone's but then people are like oh that's pretty funny that you put everyone in Crocs.

[28] They did kind of become popular, right?

[29] Yeah, and they're not around much anymore, but they were really popular.

[30] They're really popular right now.

[31] They came back.

[32] They came back in the last, like, two years all of a sudden.

[33] What do you mean?

[34] Who's wearing them?

[35] Post Malone had a deal with them.

[36] I think Justin Bieber did too.

[37] People are putting, like, pins on them and stuff.

[38] They're very popular right now.

[39] Pins?

[40] Yeah, like little, like pins, yeah.

[41] Oh, like shirt pins?

[42] Yeah, yeah.

[43] I should stop talking shit.

[44] I know people wearing.

[45] A lot of guys wear them, like, in camps.

[46] You bring them to camp, like, they're camp shoes.

[47] They wear crocs around camp because they're light.

[48] You know, if you're wearing, like, hiking boots all day, and then you're camping, you wear crocs at night when you're around the campfire.

[49] You get lung disease?

[50] So this is a new thing?

[51] I've only seen it popping up recently.

[52] Because they were, I'd heard they were in bankruptcy like five years ago or something.

[53] Maybe I heard wrong.

[54] Wow.

[55] Maybe they were.

[56] Maybe somebody came in with funding and.

[57] Took a distressed property and...

[58] I don't get it.

[59] I was always confused.

[60] Like, there's so many options for shoes.

[61] Why would you ever buy those?

[62] There's all kinds of slippers you could have.

[63] Yeah.

[64] There's no need for those.

[65] I don't get them for camping, though.

[66] Can't you get, like, ticks all over here?

[67] No, I think the idea is, like, hunters wear them.

[68] So, like, when you're in the woods and you're hiking, you wear in these, like, very kind of rigid hiking boots, and then when you're just around the campfire.

[69] They wear these little crocs.

[70] Okay.

[71] They weigh nothing.

[72] You know, they're very light.

[73] Yeah, they are light, yeah.

[74] And they provide you with protection from sticks and shit.

[75] Oh, okay.

[76] And they wear them like, you know, over socks.

[77] I see.

[78] So they're horrific looking.

[79] They don't look good.

[80] What is this?

[81] That's why I wanted them in the movie.

[82] What the fuck is this?

[83] There's $600 crocs.

[84] These are fashion crocs.

[85] Cut the fucking shit.

[86] I thought they were fake they are.

[87] Those are real?

[88] $600 crocs with a. some kind of a heel what does the bottom of that heel look like is it like a peg like a nail it's like a nail is going through that is so strange you know what i don't get the strap prediction correct what's the story with the strap oh that's like sport mode when you need to really keep them on it's like yeah the one thing about us what you need to run and you got you need to do some action you're doing shit those things put it around your heel so it doesn't fall off sprinting wait 600 bucks Is that how much?

[89] Yeah, they're real.

[90] $600.

[91] That's how dumb people are.

[92] Put that in your new movie.

[93] Yeah, I know.

[94] I wish I could remake that.

[95] What would you do different?

[96] Well, like you said, I probably would have had more staring at phones and stuff.

[97] I mean, I...

[98] Nobody saw that coming, though.

[99] Yeah.

[100] Which is wild, right?

[101] Because you filmed it.

[102] It was released in, what, 2005?

[103] 2006.

[104] We filmed it in 2004, yeah.

[105] So if you think about it.

[106] about like phones back then it was all flip phones yeah they were starting to come out with the Nokia um but yeah the iPhone I don't think was there that was seven it was a yeah it was about to come out yeah and but and even then like everybody thought that was kind of like a novelty nobody ever thought it would be like a request almost a requirement for life yeah and also I wrote it in 2000 I started writing it in 2001 and then that's writer Aiton Cohen I wrote a draft with I wrote an outline, and then, so that was like 2002, I think, or 2003 that we wrote it.

[107] So it was like pretty far away from all this stuff happening.

[108] That's the only thing you missed, though.

[109] I mean, the dumbing down of people nailed.

[110] Yeah, I was sort of, I was thinking of it like, so I had the idea in the 90s, but I remember when in 2001, In the summer, well, it was the year 2001.

[111] I'd seen the movie 2001 again and thought, wouldn't that be, wouldn't that have been funny if that movie, instead of everything being pristine, advanced civilization, it was like giant Walmarts and the Jerry Springer show.

[112] And like, what if, what if that movie made in the 70s was actually that accurate?

[113] And I just kind of thought of a graph of like everything from whenever that movie was made like 71 to the year that it was 2001.

[114] if you just kept that progression going and just like more crass foul language in the mainstream, more like just everybody getting dumber and dumber and just advertising everywhere.

[115] I don't know.

[116] It's just sort of a – I also wrote it.

[117] I owed Fox a screenplay and I pitched two or three different things and they said, oh, that's the commercial one.

[118] That's when you should make.

[119] And I didn't think they would make it.

[120] It was fun to write.

[121] Why didn't you think they would make it?

[122] It just seemed too weird.

[123] but you know they saw it you know anything in the future sounds fun and like a big broad comedy but yeah then they it just it was more fun to write than it was to make i mean nothing against anybody involved it was just like a very difficult schedule and a lot of stuff went wrong had 65 speaking parts in it well which you don't even when you're writing you say oh and then there's this and it's like oh yeah you have to cast every one of those people Well, it's still funny.

[124] It's still funny.

[125] It really, it really holds up.

[126] It's excellent.

[127] Well, thanks.

[128] I remember moving to L .A. in 1994, and I got a, I think someone I knew at MTV hooked me up, and they gave me a VHS tape of all the Beavis and Butthead episodes, and I didn't have cable hooked up yet.

[129] Oh, wow.

[130] So my TV was hooked up, but cable wasn't hooked up yet, and so I was watching VHS and tapes of Beavis and Butthead and I remember me and this girl that I was dating at the time laughing our fucking ass off I didn't even have furniture I just had a big TV and we're sitting on the carpet of floor just crying laughing at Corn Julio oh okay so you got to the good ones then yeah by that season it was we started to find our stride yeah that was that was fun to do that was uh wait were you doing a did you have a gig at MTV or no well I did at one point in time I I did MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour, and then I auditioned for another show at MTV, and the negotiations of that actually wound me getting up on a Fox show called Hardball, which got canceled, then I got news radio.

[131] Oh, okay.

[132] So that was how I moved to L .A. But I was still in contact with someone at MTV, and they hooked me up.

[133] Yeah, I thought I remembered some MTV association with you.

[134] Yeah, that was what it was.

[135] It was like they were trying to do a thing with me, but.

[136] TV, it was, like, insanely cheap back then.

[137] I think they wanted to give me $500 for a pilot, and if the pilot went, I would be exclusive to them for several years.

[138] So, like, they would own me for several years, exclusively for $500, which is hilarious.

[139] Well, I think the way Dan Cortez got out of his deal, I don't know this for sure.

[140] Whatever happened to that guy?

[141] Oh, I don't know, but he, but they had a deal with him that actually violated.

[142] labor laws.

[143] It was so, like, it might have been the same thing you're talking about, where it's actually, it might have even been slavery laws.

[144] Yeah, they were really egregious.

[145] They just would, yeah, it was.

[146] Well, you know why they did that?

[147] They did that because they created a few stars.

[148] They became huge stars, and they felt like those stars left, and they made these people stars, but they didn't profit out of it.

[149] So, like, Dennis Leary was one of them, and Pauly Shore was another one like you know so polly sure got yeah he got away he got away yeah well so he did totally polly and then totally polly uh he left that and wound up doing all these big movies and then leary was that sort of the same thing you know he did those little snippets where he would like rant to the camera yeah those are really good there's popular and he was on remote control too remember remote control yeah yeah i remember seeing him on i think comedy well it's called the comedy channel it went and then it was about yeah central so i think that was their overcorrection their overcorrection from losing guys like paulie shore was to create something where they you know yeah they over corrected over corrected on me i forgot about that dan cortez guy yeah that show was great it was tv sports yeah he was a huge star for a while yeah what the fuck i don't know what happened to him how does that happen where a guy just is everywhere and then Yeah, he was like the heartthrob It seems like it Yeah, he was I don't know when it fell off like 95 or something He just, I don't know, maybe At some point he just disappeared I don't know what he does now I don't know what he does now Maybe he's got some great gig Yeah, maybe Find him Where's Dan Cortez?

[150] I found his Instagram He seems like he's hanging out Where's he at?

[151] Let me see what he's on Is it Cortez with a There he is just seems like a normal guy now hanging out posting old stuff oh that Bill Murray wow I wonder how you become that guy what was his how you become Dan Cortez I think he was working like on a set or something like that and then someone had the idea to put him on the show you started acting after that and then I don't know well Well, I hope he's having fun.

[152] Yeah, but so how did you guys wind up with Beavis and Butthead there?

[153] So I had, I was making these animated shorts in my house and just mailing out VHS tapes of them.

[154] And there was a show called Liquid Television.

[155] Well, I had gotten, I had gotten, I made three shorts before.

[156] Beavis and Putthead was the fourth one I'd made.

[157] And the first three had gotten, like the first one I made was on the show on comedy.

[158] It was called The Comedy Channel.

[159] Night after night with Alan Havy.

[160] Oh, I remember Alan Havy.

[161] Yeah.

[162] And so, and then I'd gotten in some animation festivals.

[163] And so people were starting, there was a show called Liquid Television on MTV that was on Sunday nights.

[164] And they would license animated shorts.

[165] So I got like three or four of mine on there.

[166] It all happened very quickly.

[167] Like I had, they were going to, they asked me to send my first three, and I said, I have a new one, and it was Beavis and Butthead.

[168] And then it, so it got on that show.

[169] And then there was a long, weird, cryptic negotiation where they said they want to buy it, and I said, what for?

[170] And then I negotiated, it was colossal pictures.

[171] liquid, did liquid television, and then finally they said it's over.

[172] Oh, it was a long, ugly thing, and then finally MTV came to me directly.

[173] I still didn't know what they were going to do with it.

[174] I thought those little station IDs or something, and I was elated.

[175] I was like, this is amazing.

[176] I'm just making these things in my house outside of Dallas, and it's going to be on MTV.

[177] That's amazing.

[178] And then I sold it, I sold the whole thing to him for something like $18 ,000.

[179] Really?

[180] The whole property, everything?

[181] Yeah, I mean, I retained something that you'd never see any money from.

[182] But I was able to get it back later, years later.

[183] How'd you do that?

[184] Just because they needed me to do it.

[185] And I just, you know, but it was, yeah, I sold it.

[186] But this was after months of negotiating.

[187] And I'm like, well, it takes me, it would, I was animating everything by myself.

[188] It would take me like six to eight weeks to make two minutes.

[189] And after two beavis and butted shorts, I was kind of out of ideas anyway.

[190] So I thought, like, okay, I'll just, this will be my, you know, admission fee to show business.

[191] I'll just sell this off just to meet people and have them know about me. And I, you know, after, like, I went to different lawyers and there, like, there was this mob lawyer in Dallas.

[192] It was just like, don't sign it.

[193] And I said, well, then I just don't do this.

[194] Like, I mean, I don't regret it because I think they were ready to walk away.

[195] It'd been months, you know, like five or six months, which I guess in show business isn't that long of a negotiation all the time.

[196] But, yeah, and then they, and then they flew me up there, and then they started talking about we're going to do 65 episodes, and I was saying, okay, am I going to be involved?

[197] I don't, like, I didn't, and they said, of course, it's your baby.

[198] And, you know, but they didn't say any of that until they already owned it.

[199] They didn't want to, maybe it was part of the, you know, the whole polysher.

[200] war of it all and those people that had gotten out of there but they did they did their lawyer had all the bad intentions of a good lawyer but she wasn't all that great and didn't know animation so there were some big uh holes in the contract that I was able to exploit yeah exploit later yeah she thought that I was going to be doing the entire all the animation myself so there was like a per minute fee that was like three seasons in And my, I got, my manager, Michael Rotenberg was also a lawyer, said, hey, this thing says they owe you a ton of money.

[201] So yeah, we had, we were able to, I was able to get it back and now I own it like 50 -50 with them, so.

[202] Oh, okay.

[203] That was after the movie and they wanted a sequel and all that stuff.

[204] And so this movie that you got coming out, when did this start getting developed?

[205] Let's see, I had the idea for it a long time ago.

[206] It was really about three years ago.

[207] And then right before the lockdown, because it was Friday, the 13th, March 2020.

[208] I had lunch with the Chris McCarthy and Kais Hill, Edgar, the Paramount Plus guys, and just sealed the deal right then and then made the entire movie with everyone on Zoom and ever cast.

[209] So when you pitch a movie, like a Beavis and Butthead movie, are you pitching a...

[210] Are you just saying, look, I want to do a Beavis and Butthead movie?

[211] Are you saying this is what happens with Beavis and Butthead?

[212] Like, what's the process?

[213] Well, with this one, with the sequel, they've been wanting a sequel for years and I've pitched different...

[214] When did you make the first one?

[215] First one came out in 96.

[216] So it was like a couple years?

[217] Was it like...

[218] So the show...

[219] The short first aired on in 92.

[220] The series started in March of 93.

[221] So the show had been on a while before the movie came out, like three years.

[222] They wanted it sooner.

[223] And when did they stop?

[224] When did you stop doing the television show?

[225] Fall of 98.

[226] Oh, wow.

[227] So it was off for a while.

[228] But yeah, I just, I usually write an outline.

[229] I think that's, I pitched, I don't think I pitched either of them.

[230] I think I just started writing outlines, well, for the first one, and for this one to, and there was almost a sequel in 2001, I mean, sorry, in 2001, and then they violated another contract with me, and I got really pissed and said, no movie.

[231] Jesus.

[232] Yeah.

[233] I mean, now I don't know what, I don't know what MTV even is.

[234] And they've sort of been absorbed Yeah, the beginning of the movie They have a whole thing with the astronaut and the flag Really?

[235] So MTV is now mostly that Like Rob Drydeck show, right?

[236] That's basically the whole channel Oh, I don't even, like every now and then A show comes along that's a hit Like it was like After Beavis, I don't know It was like Tom Green and Jackass and Jersey Shore Like there's always a show that Jackass started MTV?

[237] Yeah No shit.

[238] Yeah, that was, that came along and saved them for a while.

[239] Of course, Tom Green.

[240] What was the, well, Jersey Shore was huge.

[241] Was that MTV, too?

[242] Really?

[243] Wow.

[244] Yeah, so they fucking gave up on music videos.

[245] Oh, completely.

[246] That's what it used to be.

[247] It was the music video channel.

[248] We would go there to watch.

[249] Do you remember when they released Michael Jackson's thriller?

[250] Oh, yeah.

[251] And it was like the release of a movie, like everybody.

[252] watched it.

[253] I want to know how many people watched Michael Jackson's thriller the day it came out because I want to say I was in high school at the time it was somewhere around that range and it was a thing that everybody was talking about.

[254] You have to watch it.

[255] It was I remember I remember being at an amusement park and seeing a guy who's just dressed up and had the hair of Michael Jackson and girls screaming even knowing it wasn't Michael Jackson.

[256] Just the way he looked.

[257] Yeah, just that a guy looked like that.

[258] But he, well, you had to have cable to watch it, right?

[259] I don't think they wouldn't.

[260] And then he, they played it on regular TV eventually, but it was so huge.

[261] I mean, people.

[262] It was so huge.

[263] It's hard to imagine anything.

[264] I remember going over someone's house to watch it.

[265] Yeah.

[266] Because there wasn't that many channels back then.

[267] Yeah.

[268] So like when something was on that was like a big deal, everybody watched it.

[269] So like a good hit television show today, I don't know how many millions of you.

[270] music kits but it's not well i don't i don't know it used to be yeah the numbers are way down yeah the um when you had a network hit show you'd get 10 to 20 million oh yeah yeah big show like signfeld or something like that yeah i'm sure friends yeah those they they got shit tons of people watching them which that just doesn't happen anymore now it has to be like the super bowl for something like that now yeah there's a while where american idol i think was getting those numbers but I don't think, I don't think anything, any scripted show does.

[271] But that was a big thing for MTV, was these videos that they would have, and they would have video premieres, so they'd have a premiere, you know, like David Bowie, video premiere, and everybody would be like, oh, got to be there for the premiere.

[272] And there was no DVRs back then either.

[273] So either you VCRed it, either you recorded it, which most people didn't.

[274] If you were a real wizard, you knew how to program your VCR, Remember those days?

[275] Yeah, I briefly knew how to do that, but sometimes I just get a really long one and just leave it turned around right before.

[276] Yeah, you'd do that, right?

[277] Yeah, you do low resolution, like a six -hour recording.

[278] If you unplugged them, the clock would go off.

[279] You'd have to reset it.

[280] Yep, everybody's clock was always flashing.

[281] You go over people's houses, the clock and the VCR was always flashing.

[282] That was one of the gags I wanted to have in idiocracy.

[283] I don't think we did.

[284] It's just everywhere you see just 12.

[285] I wanted a big clock tower, like Big Ben, with just a 12.

[286] I don't know if I haven't even looked if that's even in there.

[287] I don't think it is.

[288] When you make a movie like that and you're done, like, what is the feeling like?

[289] Is it like, did we do enough?

[290] Is it what you wanted?

[291] Because I've got to imagine, like, vision and then execution, and then when it's over.

[292] What does it feel like?

[293] It's a very strange mixed feeling.

[294] It's like, you know, like the first one I did was a Beavis and Putted movie, and I remember when your whole life, like however many hours a day, is just fucking with it and editing it and making it in a sound mix and everything.

[295] And I think the last final thing was the final mix.

[296] And I remember walking out of that place just, I should feel happy.

[297] It's finally done.

[298] but it just said like icky like oh shit i've missed something or it's a really weird feeling and sometimes it's sometimes it's better than others um sometimes it's sick to your stomach but uh yeah it's always it's always uh you want that's the other reason i think i don't always like to watch something after it's done because i'm gonna go oh shit i should have changed that yeah done that better um but yeah it's a very odd feeling i mean it's good to be done but so many it's just like icky which seems like it's such an enormous amount of time of your life gets put into it and it's got to be hard to see what it actually looks like because you're going over the minutia of it you're editing it you're you're you wrote the lines you edited them you watch people do it cut let's take two take three yeah you've seen a hundred people audition for each part you've you've heard the dialogue over and over again you don't know if it's funny anymore, you can't tell, you can't, and, and also your, all those hours you're spending on it are to change things.

[299] That's all, you're just constantly tweaking.

[300] Right.

[301] And so to, to say it's done, you get a, it's a, it's, what it is, it's like a feeling of withdrawal, really.

[302] Like, it's sort of, uh, even if you're really happy with it, it's like, it's sort of like, you're just so used to doing that.

[303] And to stop suddenly is just a, you kind of want to do it more.

[304] You just want to go back and keep editing.

[305] I mean, I like editing.

[306] it's fun to do but yeah but finishing editing is the hard part yeah when you're to just let it go and you know not know if if you have a good test screening that helps but you don't always do that like with a tv show you don't just like whoever's in there and if the sound if the sound mixers don't think it's funny if people working on it aren't laughing and with animation like especially when i was doing the shorts like the first short i did i record you record the sound first and i remember thinking, okay, that's a pretty funny take.

[307] I think I got something good here.

[308] And then, but then you have to, the way I read the track, with a stopwatch, you'd find every syllable and put it on exposure sheets.

[309] So you're listening to it about two or three times as many syllables as there are in it just before you even start drawing.

[310] And so by the time you're done, you have no idea if it's funny or, you know, I would just have to keep remembering there was a time when I knew this was funny and just keep going back to that do you ever like like take a few days off and then try to watch it fresh yeah yeah that helps if you can if you can afford to do that yeah i've i've gotten more used to um i don't know just trusting with if there was ever a moment where something was good interesting or funny and if it doesn't seem like it now just knowing okay that that that was that did hit me that way at one point there must be something to it yeah I laughed so hard today watching the the chart of the people and all the babies that they had whatever reason that scene killed me and then the smash cut to the intelligent people that still weren't having kids and still putting it out then they start bickering about whose fault it is as they're getting older yeah we can't have a trial now not with the market the way it is yeah it's amazing it's so funny because that that that That's real.

[311] You know, Elon Musk warns about that all the time.

[312] He's like we are in a very dangerous moment where people don't realize that they're not having enough children.

[313] I don't know.

[314] Now it's, now it's sort of, I remember there's Melinda Gates had written something about this like, or maybe I read a quote about, like when as countries become, go from third world to first world, I guess they stop, they don't have kids as much.

[315] Well, women have careers and they don't want to have.

[316] have children as often, and they also don't need children to help them with the family business.

[317] So that's not like, in some countries, people are having children because they need a workforce.

[318] Yeah.

[319] Yeah, I had it.

[320] We were at some point making that movie.

[321] I mean, a lot of the people playing dumbasses were just my friends.

[322] Like, I have a lot of dumb -looking friends, I guess.

[323] But at some point we were location scouting this place, and it was, I guess it was a reform school of some kind, like a juvenile delinquent, something or other.

[324] I don't know.

[325] You're not allowed to call them reform schools anymore.

[326] You're not?

[327] I don't know.

[328] It was called like the Institute of Technological.

[329] I had like some fancy names kind of down by, no, maybe I won't docks the place.

[330] It was outside of Austin, just outside of Austin.

[331] But I didn't know what it was.

[332] And I thought, I was just looking around and saying, oh, these people would be good extras.

[333] Like when we're, you know, and we had a couple scenes with, I don't know, 250 extras.

[334] And one was that ass movie, the, which we had to, we actually had to shoot the ass.

[335] How much footage did you get of that guy's ass?

[336] Too much.

[337] But I wanted just a nondescript ass, by the way.

[338] And I had to look at Polaroids.

[339] Oh, a crazy thing happened, actually.

[340] So the dude, it's like, okay, let's get this over with.

[341] We should set up the camera, shoot the guy's ass.

[342] And my cinematographer and I are just kind of going, okay, that's good.

[343] Let's just, I don't know we shot like 10 minutes probably.

[344] But anyway, years later, the guy, I'm introduced to this guy and his fiance.

[345] And I'm looking at him when I go, oh, hey, I'm.

[346] kind of looks at me like, uh -uh, uh -uh.

[347] And I realize who it is, and I go, oh, I said, because I'm starting to say, I think I've met you, and then later he goes, yeah, she doesn't know.

[348] Why would she care?

[349] I think she does now.

[350] That's a bad start to a relationship.

[351] If you're about to get married to a lady and you can't tell it, hey, they filmed my ass for 10 minutes for idiocry.

[352] What do you want to not tell them?

[353] That doesn't make any sense.

[354] I think he eventually did, but at that point, he was kind of giving me the...

[355] Maybe it was, like, early on in the relationship.

[356] He was trying to be taken seriously?

[357] Yeah.

[358] Maybe he had, like, a real job.

[359] Oh, he did, yeah.

[360] What was he?

[361] I worked in some kind of, like, finance.

[362] Yeah, that's probably it.

[363] He's Mr. Serious.

[364] Yeah.

[365] What a bummer that must be.

[366] We played that movie, though, and, like, I was...

[367] We had all those, you know, the juvenile delinquents, whatever in there.

[368] They might have been like, I don't know how old they were, but we put it up there, and I'm thinking like, okay, I got to somehow get everyone to laugh, like just laughing hysterically.

[369] We start playing it, and they're just laughing hysterically.

[370] Like, it's nothing but guy's butt on the screen.

[371] And I was just thinking, we should just release ass and stop writing a script and everything.

[372] Like, I think we're already there.

[373] Just release this thing.

[374] But, yeah, anyway.

[375] There was just so many moments.

[376] that in that movie where it's like it's I wish I saw it when it came out because I was wondering like how's it going to hold up because there's some movies that just don't hold up that good but it held up magically that's nice to hear it was very very funny the 10 year anniversary in 2016 there were a few screenings and I still I watched pieces of it but but yeah I mean I could I was standing outside the theater at a couple of them and I could hear people laughing people seemed to I mean they sold out whatever these the two ones that I went to so that was nice that's got to be a good feeling to sit there and watch after all that work after all the editing and all the weirdness of yeah trying to figure out if it's still good to watch people that have never seen it before I have no idea what's coming laugh hysterically yeah it's a really I mean especially something like that that was both that and office space were so difficult to make and didn't do well right away, you know, so it's just like, oh, God, like all that office space didn't do well right away either?

[377] No. Wow, that's crazy.

[378] I need to, well, the Beavis and Butthead movie was a hit right away, but.

[379] How the fuck was office space not a hit right away?

[380] I mean, it was low budget, but it didn't, it kind of basically made back its 10 million over its time in the theater, but yeah, it came in like eighth place.

[381] Was that in the same time period?

[382] When was office space released?

[383] Ninety -nine it came out.

[384] Oh, interesting.

[385] Okay, so it was earlier.

[386] But then two years after, it was in, back when they did Blockbuster Home Video Charts, it was like in the top 10 around Christmas.

[387] It was in the top 20 off and on for a while, which was really nice.

[388] It's a great fucking movie.

[389] It's a great fucking movie.

[390] I love how you use a lot of the same people over and over again, too.

[391] Yeah.

[392] Well, you worked with Stephen Root.

[393] Oh, he's the best.

[394] He's incredible.

[395] Stephen Root was the guy that was the only guy on set that was 100 % completely different human being than who he was on television.

[396] Oh, yeah.

[397] Yeah, it's crazy when someone, and Stephen Root, like, when he played Milton, just completely different.

[398] Like, I've told, I remember, I don't know, years I was talking to Ben Stiller, and he said, who played Milton?

[399] And I said, that's Stephen Root.

[400] And he was like, what?

[401] You'd seen the whole thing and I had no idea that was him.

[402] and he had met him and everything.

[403] Oh, he does that in every movie he's in.

[404] But he's a different human hanging out on the set.

[405] Like, he's a regular guy.

[406] And then he would become Jimmy James, and he would become Jimmy James.

[407] I mean, it was a character that he developed.

[408] I mean, Jimmy James had tendencies.

[409] He had opinions.

[410] He had a whole, like, fucking biography for this guy.

[411] Oh, such a strong character.

[412] When I saw that, you weren't in the pilot, right?

[413] You came in the second or third episode or something?

[414] I was, Ray Romano was the original.

[415] original me from the pirate from the pilot rather and Ray got fired and then they brought in a second guy luckily and then that guy got fired because I didn't want to take the job from Ray so I took the job from the guy who took the job from Ray oh which is good oh okay better because Ray was my friend who would suck oh wow if Ray oh I didn't know that yeah so obviously it worked out fantastic for Ray because everybody loves Raymond he did right after that so right after he got fired then he's doing everybody loves raymond i think when that came i remember um i had met paul sims in 94 and i was writing the king of the hill pilot and i was uh or no i guess 95 or 96 but i was uh or i've met him before anyway i he's he had just he sent me a vhs of the pilot of news radio and i immediately called and said who's the guy playing jimmy james that guy's incredible i've never seen him in anything and uh yeah then And that led to him.

[416] Well, he auditioned for King of the Hill, and he was just clearly just really amazing.

[417] No, he's amazing in everything.

[418] You know, he did one of the most incredible things I've ever seen him do, as we had a table read, and Troy Aikman was going to do a guest appearance in King of the Hill, which he did, I think, but he couldn't do the first table read.

[419] And just at the last minute, I understand why Stephen was a little pissed.

[420] He's like, someone said, okay, can you read Troy Akeman?

[421] He's like, I don't know what Troy Eichman talks.

[422] I was like, I don't know.

[423] Really?

[424] You're just bringing me on this?

[425] And he proceeded to do the best version of an athlete, pro athlete who can't act at a table read.

[426] I wish I had a tape of it.

[427] It was so genius.

[428] The levels of it, it was like he's doing a guy who can't act, but he's doing a good job acting.

[429] And he's throwing in an accent that sounds like a football player from Texas.

[430] And it was just amazing.

[431] He was great.

[432] And did you see that cowboy movie?

[433] I think it was a Cohen Brothers film Oh yeah He's been a weird film Where it was like a bunch of different Yes I just It's and it's got Tim Blake Nelson in it Yes Oh he's yeah I saw that Yes I love that movie It was a great movie It was like it's only one of the Cohen brothers Right didn't it was not the first one I don't know I don't know But up Do you know what I'm talking about Jamie Do you remember the film But it was like No it's so good It was multiple tragedies It's uh He's been a a few of it wasn't no country recently with Timblich I typed in Colin brothers though and I'm trying to type in Stephen Root cowboy movie it's only one of the brothers I think it's in Timbleck Nelson's in it and it's Oh brother Ferratho No no no no that's another great fucking movie Just type in Stephen Root Cowboy film Oh is that the one Well go to his IMDB And we can find it But you played some fucking Maniard He's got a lot of movies.

[434] I know that's a set me all right.

[435] Office space is right at the top though.

[436] Wait, is it.

[437] Hold on.

[438] These are all too new.

[439] It's fairly recent.

[440] It's like 2019, I think, or something.

[441] Let me see it going on that.

[442] It'll be a. Where is this here?

[443] Do do, do, do, do.

[444] I can't.

[445] Hold on.

[446] You're going through fast.

[447] I know.

[448] Ballot of Buster Scrugs.

[449] That's it.

[450] Yeah, yeah.

[451] That's it.

[452] There we go.

[453] Am I wrong?

[454] Is it?

[455] Yep, 100%.

[456] Oh, it is both.

[457] It is both Colin Brothers.

[458] I thought it was one of the ones that just one of them did.

[459] Yeah.

[460] That is a really good one there.

[461] Tim Blake Nelson is fucking awesome.

[462] Yeah, he's so good.

[463] You know what he's great in?

[464] This movie is fucking really fun.

[465] The Ballad of Buster Struggs is so unusual.

[466] And Roots character is completely insane.

[467] So good.

[468] It's just like, it's one of those movies where you're like, what the fuck is this?

[469] But that's all of their movies.

[470] Their movies are so interesting.

[471] They're so weird.

[472] They make so many.

[473] I haven't even.

[474] seen them all.

[475] Tim Blake Nelson's brother was the line producer on Idiocracy, actually.

[476] Tim Blake Nelson is in a great Western called Old Henry.

[477] Have you seen Old Henry?

[478] I haven't seen that one.

[479] It's great.

[480] I don't want to give away.

[481] There's like a plot twist to it and you go, what?

[482] But it's a really interesting old Western, but it's not funny at all.

[483] Is it, oh, is it recent one?

[484] Yeah, I want to say it's like 2020 last year.

[485] I wonder if Westerns are going to come back?

[486] That's it.

[487] That's old Henry.

[488] That's fucking good.

[489] And that's one I just took a chance on.

[490] I was home and I was bored and I was like, let me see what's what new movies are out.

[491] And I looked in iTunes and it was just there and it was highly rated.

[492] So I said, all right, let's take a different chance.

[493] Is that Trace Adkins is in it?

[494] Oh man, he's.

[495] Yeah.

[496] So and Steven Dorff's great in it too.

[497] I had no idea what the movie was about.

[498] So I'm like, okay, let's just give it a chance and it was really fucking cool.

[499] I love a good Western I'm a sucker for a Western Oh me too I like I like Unforgiven Oh Unforgiven's fucking fantastic It's like one of the greatest ever That was like In my opinion that was Like Clint East would Doing like a clean up You know I did all these films That were kind of unrealistic About Westerns and Cowboys Let me come back and show you What it was probably really like Yeah exactly That's what like I get like watching like that's probably what a draw like a shootout where people are actually screaming and freaking out that someone died like yeah i mean that that was incredible and this one guy who can just keep it together and that's why he can kill everybody he just doesn't freak out yeah i like the stylized ones too but that one was just that blew my mind it still that one holds up oh it's it's fantastic i mean i love all of his old westerns i love outlaw Josie Wales I love all the spaghetti westerns I had the box set of the DVDs I mean anytime one of those would come on I would just be glued to the set it's really incredible that that moment in human history like when people were making their way across the continental United States became such a genre for film yeah I wonder yeah I guess there's not a lot of pioneer movies yeah you know what I mean there's a few but it's not nothing like the westerns listen that they say there's like the wild west only lasted like eight years or something the way it's like where it was really wild or something is that really i guess it's all post civil war right that i don't know i shouldn't be talking i don't i'm not a historian on it i just remember someone saying that that it's like it was like uh before it was really tamed it didn't wasn't that but there's like a million movies about it yeah well that makes sense i mean i think a lot of it had to do with the gold rush right yeah you know I mean, that was the reason why people were motivated to make their way out to those weird towns in, like San Francisco and, like, all these places, Seattle, there were minors.

[500] Lay down railroad trucks.

[501] Yeah.

[502] It's just a very unusual time in history, but as a genre for film, it's such a rewarding genre because it's lawlessness.

[503] So you can have this one person with morals and ethics who keeps the fucking town together, and then this bad guy.

[504] who comes in and is trying to take over and just such a, you know, it's such a classic story.

[505] Yeah, just pure writing, you know, about, yeah, there's also a bunch of, Quentin Tarantino used to do a thing where he'd come to Austin and show, he has just a collection of prints of movies that no one's ever seen.

[506] Like, maybe now a lot of them are available, but like, I remember around 2002, 2004, he'd, a couple of westerns that didn't.

[507] didn't even have people I had heard of in it hardly, like the, that were just incredible.

[508] I mean, like, I don't know, I won't even try to describe them, but they were like on par with all those whatever Sergio Leone, spaghetti westerns.

[509] And just, just totally unknown?

[510] Yeah, unknown.

[511] I mean, some of them, yeah, I remember there was one where this guy, he goes to a town, he's like a gunslinger, and the bad guys are coming, and they just desperately need him to save the town.

[512] And the mayor promises the guy, his daughter, if he can defend the town.

[513] And you kind of forget about it and there's a big shootout and everybody's happy at the end.

[514] And you think this is a happy ending.

[515] And then the guy goes, no, I get the daughter.

[516] Like he's like, at the end of it, like he's like, and you're like, whoa, this dude wasn't really all.

[517] They kind of make him not a hero at the end of it.

[518] It was really interesting, dark movie.

[519] I can't remember the name of it.

[520] And probably what it was really like back then.

[521] Right.

[522] Probably were no real good guys.

[523] Yes.

[524] You know, when you have a time in history where the morals are completely eroded and you see mass atrocities committed left and right, like even like whatever the bar is for the good guys is probably quite a bit lower.

[525] Yeah.

[526] It doesn't take much to tip the scales into horrible anarchy.

[527] No, it's just, it's so interesting how we romanticize those moments, though.

[528] Those moments, like, that's, like, one of the big, when we were kids, we played Cowboys and Indians.

[529] Oh, yeah.

[530] You know, that was.

[531] I don't know if that's allowed anymore, but that's what all.

[532] I don't think so.

[533] I don't think you play an Indian unless you are one now.

[534] We had the pop gun, and you watched Lone Ranger.

[535] Yeah.

[536] Yeah.

[537] Yeah, people forgot Johnny Depp played Tonto.

[538] Oh, that's right.

[539] He got in trouble.

[540] Oh, he did?

[541] He's not an Indian.

[542] Yeah, people were angry.

[543] Like 164th or something?

[544] Is he?

[545] I don't know.

[546] Not enough.

[547] Yeah, it's just such a, I mean, so many shows, Badaanza, so many different television shows.

[548] Yeah, I wonder if it's going to make a comeback.

[549] Deadwood.

[550] Was there, wasn't there a Western recently?

[551] Didn't know.

[552] Yellowstone, kind of.

[553] Yellowstone is modern, though.

[554] Yeah, the prequel.

[555] Right.

[556] Yeah.

[557] I haven't seen that.

[558] Is that good?

[559] I've heard it.

[560] I've heard it's good.

[561] Yellowstone's fucking great.

[562] I hear it's great.

[563] I've got to watch it.

[564] Yeah.

[565] Yeah.

[566] Do you do much consuming of films and stuff when you're not making them?

[567] I went through a long phase where I wasn't at all.

[568] And now I do.

[569] Yeah, now I try to watch a lot of stuff.

[570] But there's so much stuff I can't keep up.

[571] Yeah, it's impossible.

[572] People are always telling me about, oh, you got to see euphoria.

[573] I'm like, how?

[574] How do I have?

[575] Where's my time?

[576] You tell me how, how I can watch this.

[577] You know the thing that I just saw that made me absolutely want to watch it is there's an entire series of Rowan Atkinson trying to kill a bee.

[578] Have you seen that trailer for this thing?

[579] One B?

[580] I was laughing so hard at this thing.

[581] What is it called?

[582] I think it's called something to B or something like that.

[583] What?

[584] We did a Beavis and Put -Out episode where they try to kill a fly.

[585] Mr. Bean, Man versus B. Wow, look at that car he's got.

[586] He just gradually fucks everything on.

[587] more and more just trying to kill this one B. Is this a British film or it's a Netflix thing?

[588] A Netflix but it's a...

[589] Netflix series?

[590] I'm Trevor from House Sitter's Deluxe.

[591] Hello, sweet P, it's Dad here.

[592] I managed to get a job.

[593] It means that we can still go on holiday together.

[594] Danny, I'll call you back.

[595] It's so dumb.

[596] This guy has been doing slapstick for a thousand years.

[597] I guess I've just like, I haven't seen anything like this in so long.

[598] I'm so refreshing.

[599] They're going to make an entire series on this premise, which I just got to see how, I think he can pull it off.

[600] Yeah, probably.

[601] Man versus B. Jesus, that's a series?

[602] Which you just, I haven't seen anything remotely like that.

[603] He's an acquired taste.

[604] like either you love that guy or you're like, what the fuck is this Mr. Bean guy?

[605] It took me a little while and then I was all in.

[606] Well, you can watch it in small, like when you're not, you just kind of need something dumb to like fall asleep or something.

[607] I would like to talk to him about his health.

[608] Oh, is he?

[609] No, because like I have this Chevy Chase theory.

[610] My Chevy Chase theory is like everybody says Chevy Chase is an asshole.

[611] And I'm like, I bet Chevy Chase is in constant pain.

[612] Because if you think about all the times that Chevy Chase would fall down for decades, all of his comedy was him, like, doing something and falling into a pile of chairs and slipping off of a stage and landing on his neck.

[613] And he was constantly falling down.

[614] He was constantly slipping on a banana peel, feet first up in the air, slams down on his head.

[615] That guy fell hundreds of times.

[616] He fell every night on Saturday Night Live, didn't he?

[617] Constantly.

[618] Always.

[619] Well, I think he does have injuries, right?

[620] He has to.

[621] Like, Johnny Knoxville has so, like, he's...

[622] His dick's broken.

[623] His dick's broken.

[624] He's beat up all kinds of ways.

[625] Yeah, he's...

[626] Well, he did it to himself.

[627] Yeah.

[628] He did it in a different way.

[629] Like, he did it in a way like...

[630] Like a evil -conneval.

[631] A hundred percent going to get hurt.

[632] Yeah.

[633] There's no controlling it.

[634] At least Chevy was responsible for his falls.

[635] He's getting thrown in the air by bulls and shit.

[636] Oh, my God.

[637] That guy gives me anxiety.

[638] But the Chevy Chase one, I'm fascinated by because when I found out that Chevy Chase was considered an asshole by so many people, I'm like, what?

[639] Fletch?

[640] That guy?

[641] He seems so cool.

[642] I'm like, how could he be an asshole?

[643] And then as I got older and I have this deep concern about brain damage and brain injuries from fighters and stuff.

[644] And then I was like watching him, like, how bad is he fucked up?

[645] Like, I guarantee you he's thinking irrationally.

[646] I guarantee you he's very impulsive.

[647] I guarantee he has CTE 100%.

[648] Oh, all that stuff gets your, even if it's not hitting your head.

[649] Yes.

[650] It affects your impulse control.

[651] You know, a lot of guys that do that wind up being heavy drinkers or gamblers.

[652] They're like, the way I describe it is like, imagine if all day long you're like irritated.

[653] Like, but you're going through life like that.

[654] So you're going through life constantly, and also impulse control is fucked.

[655] because of CTE I wonder well you know all those seems like the UFC guys the MMA guys don't have that as bad as boxers or do they like maybe no they have it bad they just haven't gotten old enough yet there's plenty of guys that have it pretty bad oh yeah yeah there's guys that get out and in boxing there's guys get out like Andre Ward is my favorite example he's brilliant eloquent like incredibly good at commentary and talking and explaining things and the guy was a two -division world champion and an Olympic gold medalist and he just decided, you know what, I'm getting out while the getting's good.

[656] I'm perfect.

[657] I'm in my 30s.

[658] He was in prime, the prime of his career, world champion.

[659] He said, I think I could serve boxing better as an example of what's possible than as a guy who keeps fighting.

[660] Oh, wow.

[661] Yeah, he's brilliant, brilliant guy and one of the best commentators ever.

[662] And that's rare, though.

[663] You know, for every guy like that.

[664] Hang on.

[665] too long.

[666] Well, it's like the thrill of doing that is so much more exciting than the thrill of doing anything else in your life.

[667] Imagine if like you'll, you know, you do this one thing that gets you to tens.

[668] And you got to remember with Andre, there was no real agony of defeat.

[669] He was an undefeated world champion, an Olympic gold medalist.

[670] He looks, he's handsome, so his pristine face, didn't get busted up.

[671] Wow.

[672] Really never got, other than Kovalev, Kov was the only guy that really hurt him in a fight never really got hurt bad and even in that fight he wanted he didn't get knocked out no no no he won every fight he was undefeated yeah and if he'd stayed in probably would have who knows i mean they usually stay in until they get knocked out don't they usually well until something goes bad bernard hopkins was a good example of that but he was in his 50s when he finally started getting really when he lost to joe smith junior and he fell through the ropes but uh ufc fighters most certainly get brain damage you can get out without it it's possible but you know we did a thing yesterday we were going over NBA players or excuse me NFL players with CTE and they said 99 % of NFL players that have been tested have CTE 99 yeah it's wild so is that almost worse than fighting I think it's worse because I think it's uncontrolled because with fighting like say if if you're a skilled fighter you can choose to engage or not to engage with MMA, I think it's better than boxing because you could choose to tie someone up and take them to the ground.

[673] Yeah.

[674] You know, there's options.

[675] I guess that's what I had heard.

[676] Yeah, there's options, but...

[677] People get...

[678] The thing is, you're getting hurt in sparring.

[679] Sparring is hurting you almost as bad as the fights themselves.

[680] There's a lot of people that wound up getting really bad brain damage that never even fought.

[681] They just sparred a lot.

[682] Oh, wow.

[683] Jesus.

[684] Yeah.

[685] I mean, sparring is hitting.

[686] You know, you're getting hit.

[687] It's just, that's where the brain damage comes from.

[688] Do you know people get CTE from jet skiing?

[689] Really, from hitting the water?

[690] Mm -hmm, yeah.

[691] Oh, you do hit the water pretty hard.

[692] Yeah, we were on the lake the other day, and I was watching these guys because there was a boat that was, we were on jet skis too, but I don't fuck around like that.

[693] I just ride.

[694] They're fun to ride, right?

[695] I don't need to jump in the air and shit, and I had my daughter on my back, the back of the jet ski.

[696] But we're behind this boat, and these guys are, you know, they're making waves with this boat.

[697] Like, it's a wake surfing boat.

[698] you know those things so people behind them on the board and these guys were riding those waves on the jet skis and just ya!

[699] Bang!

[700] Yeah!

[701] And they have these superpowered jet skis now they're so fucking fast.

[702] And so every time they land, it's like a car accident.

[703] It's like boom.

[704] Oh, God.

[705] You know?

[706] So the mush inside your brain is just slam against the wall and that soft tissue that keeps your brain in place is all getting jumbled up.

[707] Is that going all night while you're, you live right on the lake, right?

[708] Yeah, it's not going at night.

[709] The jet ski guys don't go at night.

[710] The boat guys, though, occasionally you get a boat that goes out at night.

[711] But, you know, a lot of the reasons why they do that is they go fishing at night.

[712] They do catfish.

[713] Oh.

[714] Yeah.

[715] Or the bowfish, which is kind of cool.

[716] They take a boat, like a fishing boat with lights hanging over the sides and the fish come near the light.

[717] Oh, they come, just come for the lights?

[718] They shoot it with bows and arrows.

[719] Yeah.

[720] I want to try that.

[721] I haven't done that yet.

[722] Yeah, so you got into archery, huh?

[723] We were talking about, you saw the range that we have here.

[724] Yeah, yeah, it's really addictive.

[725] It is, right?

[726] Yeah, started doing it in my backyard.

[727] Well, then I have a place outside of town with lots of room.

[728] But, yeah, I still have never killed a mammal, but I figure I eat meat maybe.

[729] Also, there's a really bad hog problem.

[730] On your ranch?

[731] Feral hogs everywhere.

[732] How bad is your...

[733] your ranch well right now i mean i don't know there's some some people that uh they kind of come and go so like about 10 years ago some friends of mine went out there and hunted a bunch of them but um i mean they they'll come through and it's just like a rototiller like they'll just rip everything up it's kind of crazy the friend of mine said that he was uh raising sheep they killed like 20 lambs and one night hogs came through and just yeah that's something that that people don't realize they're predatory.

[734] Yeah, the first time I saw one, it's like big old tusks.

[735] Like, they're crossed between, I guess, European wild boars that were brought over and escaped just domestic hogs, I guess, that the Spanish brought over, and they get big, yeah.

[736] Well, they're all the same animal, believe it or not.

[737] Pigs are a weird animal.

[738] This is one of the reasons why pigs are weird.

[739] When you take a domestic pig, say a male domestic pig, and he's, you know, eating feed and whatever you give them.

[740] And then you open the gate and let him lose.

[741] Within weeks, he starts to change.

[742] And they'll grow tusks and everything just by the conditions that they're putting?

[743] Oh, okay.

[744] Not just tusks, but their face changes.

[745] Yeah, they have a different face.

[746] Yeah, their nose extends.

[747] Yeah, they get longer, yeah.

[748] See if you can find anything on this, because it's really fascinating.

[749] I was just reading, yeah, there's a book, this author, Neil Stevenson.

[750] It's called, oh shit, what's it called?

[751] termination shock.

[752] It's set in the near future where hogs are just out of control.

[753] That's possible.

[754] But he goes into the history of it.

[755] But I didn't know.

[756] So a regular hog will just start going wild if you.

[757] I don't think there's another mammal like it, not that I've ever heard of, that when you release them into the wild, physical traits.

[758] They have a physical transformation.

[759] Like a cat could become a feral cat, right?

[760] And then they act differently and they're afraid of people.

[761] But hogs, their nose grows longer.

[762] Yeah, they look different.

[763] They look like a wild boar.

[764] their fur changes it gets thicker and busier their tusks grow so when you see those pigs yeah see yeah they get that yeah that's what they look like that face like it's wild it changes their fucking face wow and it changes their nose i don't i don't understand like what causes it well i just google this uh when domestic pigs change in the wild okay there just check you that like let me let me see It didn't say much more than what you said, though.

[765] This is good right here.

[766] It says domestic pigs can quickly revert to wild pigs.

[767] Although domestic pigs, as we know it, today took hundreds of years to breed.

[768] Just a few months in the wild is enough to make a domestic pig turn feral.

[769] It will grow tusks, thick hair, and become more aggressive.

[770] Just a few months.

[771] That's crazy.

[772] And their nose changes, like it grows and extends their snout.

[773] Yeah, they look more evil.

[774] It's the same genus.

[775] They're all called Sue Scrois.

[776] So when, but obviously it's just like dogs, right?

[777] There's, you could like, even, like, say a dog, like a German shepherd.

[778] There's big German shepherds and a small German shepherds.

[779] If you breathe the big ones, you make a big one.

[780] Yeah, yeah.

[781] And that's how it is with wild pigs too, but with domestic hogs and wild pigs, it's not like it's a hybrid.

[782] They're literally the same animal.

[783] Oh, okay.

[784] I also heard, yeah, when you, well, the ones that, um, that, uh, my friends hunted out of my place, They're, like, you don't get the bacon off the, like, when they're, when they're wild, there's like, they're still really good, but not as fatty, yeah, yeah, they're very lean, and they're darker meat, too.

[785] It's like almost like a reddish meat.

[786] Yeah, it looks different.

[787] Yeah.

[788] Yeah.

[789] Yeah, well, the ones that you get are in the supermarket, essentially, like, veal.

[790] They're just sitting there in a pen.

[791] They just been pampered.

[792] Yeah, and they're fattening them up until they're ready to slaughter them.

[793] I mean, that's really where you get bacon from.

[794] Bacon is from obese pigs.

[795] Yeah, it only comes They have to be super obese To get that Yeah, it comes off Was it like off their rib cage or something?

[796] I think it's like I don't know what the difference is between Pork belly and Bacon is Bacon is Pork belly I mean I think bacon is almost like brisket Similar There's a writer on the Simpsons I forget who it was He wanted to see He loved bacon so much He wanted to see if it was possible To ever To eat so much bacon that he doesn't want anymore.

[797] So he did an experiment on a weekend.

[798] It just woke up on Saturday.

[799] He started making bacon, just eating bacon.

[800] And there's a ton of salt in it.

[801] And his tongue and his cheeks started swelling up.

[802] And he had to actually go to the hospital because he's having trouble breathing.

[803] But he was in the hospital.

[804] He said he still wanted more bacon.

[805] He never found the point where he didn't want more bacon.

[806] Oh, my God.

[807] I forget the guy's name.

[808] That much salt?

[809] Just really that much salt and bacon?

[810] Yeah, I guess that's the, it's cured, salt cured.

[811] Yeah, that's what makes it bacon.

[812] Pork belly versus bacon, what's the difference?

[813] The most basic difference between pork belly and bacon is the pork belly cut isn't smoked or cured, and it only comes from the belly, the pig, the softer meat that is interchangeable with most recipes that call for pork, whereas bacon can be derived from the belly and is cured and sometimes smoked.

[814] Oh, so it is the same area, it's just turned into bacon.

[815] So streaky pork bacon is pork belly, but pork belly isn't bacon.

[816] Instead, pork belly is the whole slab cut from the fleshy underside of a pig.

[817] Streaky pork bacon is cut from this slab, and pork belly is unsmoked and uncured.

[818] Have you ever gone to Dai Duay in town?

[819] Have you ever eaten there?

[820] Oh, that sounds familiar.

[821] No. It's a fantastic restaurant made by the head chef is this guy, my friend Jesse Griffiths.

[822] Jesse, who's been a guest on the podcast before, too, is he runs a school.

[823] What is his school called again?

[824] He's got like, it's basically a school where he teaches people from scratch and takes them.

[825] It does it in very limited numbers.

[826] This new school of traditional cookery.

[827] So he takes people out from scratch.

[828] This is how you shoot a gun.

[829] This is how you pull a trigger.

[830] This is how you cite a rifle.

[831] this is how you kill a pig this is how you butcher the pig this is how you cook the pig and he's an incredible chef his restaurant Dai Duet is one of my absolute favorite places in Austin I think I have heard of it it's amazing where is it I want to say it's on Congress I think I have heard of this we'll pull it up yeah when I saw the pull it up just to let them know what's it on does it say what streets it on oh yeah over there on Yeah, yeah.

[832] Oh, that's right by, yeah.

[833] Oh, just give me it so I can read out.

[834] It's by Hoover's.

[835] It's called Manor.

[836] It just disappeared from, I got close.

[837] Manor Road off of...

[838] Manor Road.

[839] Just east of Texas.

[840] Maynard?

[841] Yeah, that's over, yeah, by Hoover's.

[842] Go to Hoover's over there.

[843] But the way spell it is D -A -I -D -U -E, right?

[844] Is that how you spell it?

[845] It's fucking great.

[846] He makes a Ceviche with Antelope, with Texas Antelope.

[847] It's a Neil guy, Cevice.

[848] So is the antelope raw then?

[849] Yes, oh, okay.

[850] It's like, like, if you would imagine a version of, like, tartar, like a beef tartar, but more, because it's raw, but think more in terms of, like, Cevice, where it's cured with lime and he'll put it on, like, chips.

[851] You know, like, you'll serve it with tortilla chips.

[852] It's fantastic.

[853] Wow, I've never heard of Cevice that wasn't fish.

[854] He has fish and chips from local Texas fish, like Texas redfish.

[855] Oh, so it's all kind of...

[856] All local.

[857] Oh, wow.

[858] Yeah.

[859] And it's all, like a lot of it is wild, like wild game.

[860] Well, antelope, yeah.

[861] Yeah, Neil Guy Antelope.

[862] Texas is an interesting place in that you can serve wild game in restaurants commercially, which is not legal in a lot of other places.

[863] Oh.

[864] Most places, like, say if you go to a restaurant, say in like Michigan, I don't know about Michigan, like California, good example, and you buy elk.

[865] You're not getting elk from the United States.

[866] You're getting elk most likely from New Zealand.

[867] The laws just...

[868] Yeah, they can...

[869] That's weird.

[870] You know, New Zealand is a weird place because New Zealand doesn't have any predators and almost all the big game mammals that are brought into New Zealand.

[871] We're brought in into the, I believe it was the 1800s.

[872] They've tried to create...

[873] Yeah.

[874] Elkhart native.

[875] No, no, no. They have stag there, which is a very similar animal to elk, very similar tasting, but they, and they're similar looking too.

[876] But they brought these animals over there to create like a wild game preserve for Europeans.

[877] So the Europeans would come over, hey, we've gone to New Zealand to hunt.

[878] And they were hunting these animals that didn't have any predators.

[879] And so the populations boomed to the point where, unfortunately, they have to call the populations of these incredibly nutritious, delicious, beautiful animals.

[880] And they shoot them and just leave them there.

[881] Like they'll gun them down with helicopters.

[882] Oh, so they're not even...

[883] They're going to waste.

[884] There's no predators.

[885] So you have these mountainous, beautiful landscapes filled with these animals, and it comes the time where they have to keep the population's in check.

[886] So they do farm them, and they do sell...

[887] They sell a lot of lamb.

[888] A lot of lamb comes from New Zealand, and a lot of elk comes from New Zealand.

[889] Do you ever see that cane toad documentary?

[890] No. That's another example of they brought these cane.

[891] to goads to Australia to Australia to get beetles off the sugar canes and the sugar canes grow taller there so the good didn't even get the beetles and then they just just reproduced no predator oh and then they brought in cats to deal with the cane toads I think oh I think they did yeah but this don the cats are out control now Australian hillbillies and just millions of cane to it wasn't supposed to be funny and then it became like a viral VHS hit in the early 90s but yeah anytime they bring up species like nature's so delicate you can't fuck with it well that is all of Australia and that is all of New Zealand Australia is filled with non -native animals Jared Diamond writes a lot about he wrote guns, germs and Steve like he writes a lot about Australia is like a really interesting example of a lot of just yeah humans wrecking everything yeah as is New Zealand New Zealand is a god it's such a beautiful place but I've never been I've never been either it looks incredible all the surf pictures from there.

[892] Lord of the Rings was shot there.

[893] Yeah.

[894] Yeah, which is, it seems like it's a very small population and fucking staggering and beautiful landscape.

[895] Wow.

[896] But that's a very big spot for hunters.

[897] They go down there and they, you know, they go to hunt these animals that don't have natural predators.

[898] Does this guy who serves antelope?

[899] Does he go hunt in West Texas?

[900] He goes to South Texas, I believe, is where he gets the Neil guy.

[901] He also will buy nymphs.

[902] He also will buy Neil Guy.

[903] You can buy Neil Guy from ranches.

[904] There's certain ranches that commercially sell Neil Guy, but the way they do it is they, you know, they have these wild free -range animals, and they just, they don't like have them in pens, and they go out and they hunt them commercially, like long -range rifles and stuff like that.

[905] They shoot them, and then they collect them, and then they'll sell like a whole Neil guy to a restaurant, and then they'll, like, Jesse will part it up and, you know, make steaks and roasts and all these different things from it but his restaurant is so good but it's the point is like one of things that he loves is wild hogs and he has all these different recipes for wild hogs he makes sausages and and you know loins and all these different stews and all kinds of do i don't know it makes stews i meant i made that up but he makes a bunch of different really cool recipes with wild pigs it's really i mean it's really good and there's i mean like i say i haven't i haven't hunted yet, I think if I do it, I'll do it with a bow, but...

[906] You think so?

[907] Just, I don't know, something about a gun, just, I don't know, it doesn't seem as...

[908] Sporting?

[909] Yeah, I guess just because I love shooting the bow so much.

[910] It's fun to shoot a bow, but...

[911] But I guess you're more likely to not...

[912] Miss. Yeah, that would feel bad.

[913] Yeah, it's, uh, I mean, this is coming from someone who hunts with a bow almost exclusively.

[914] But I did shoot a wild pig last year in California with a rifle.

[915] Oh, the rival?

[916] It's so much more effective.

[917] Yeah.

[918] Let's just, you just get it in your crosshair, boom.

[919] Yeah, I was going to, I was working on, like, 20 years ago.

[920] I was going to be like a caddyshack type movie about hunting guides and just hunting in general.

[921] And started watching hunting videos, and it's a funny world.

[922] I mean, it's very...

[923] It's an interesting world.

[924] Yeah, I mean, it's...

[925] There's different worlds, though.

[926] Yeah, there are.

[927] Yeah.

[928] Like, there's the Texas, like, people that sit over feeders.

[929] Yeah.

[930] You know, so this is, they call it hunting, but it's really just harvesting.

[931] You're just shooting.

[932] Yeah.

[933] You know, you just sit in a stand and you wait, and then the feeders go off, and the deer gravitate towards the feeders or the hogs gravitate towards it, and you just blow them away.

[934] So there's that way, and then there's big game hunting in the West, which is like, you really have to be an athlete.

[935] Like, because you're...

[936] Yeah, that's when I start, like, some of these...

[937] Like, there's a guy with a traditional bow kills a bear, and the bear almost jumps in the blind.

[938] with him.

[939] And I'm like, okay, that's actually pretty fair.

[940] Like, you're taking a risk there.

[941] I mean, not completely, a little tiny risk.

[942] It's like 75, 25.

[943] Yeah.

[944] Yeah.

[945] It's still.

[946] Which is about as good as it ever gets for the bear probably.

[947] Yeah.

[948] You're highly favorite.

[949] I mean, most of these, a lot of these videos are just, the ones that, like, 20 years ago that when you'd go to, like, Texas trophy hunter convention or something, these videos are like, they have the rhythm and production quality of porn.

[950] They're like deer snuff films or something.

[951] They're like, it's kind of going along with cheesy, whatever needle drop music was back then.

[952] And then it's just like, bam.

[953] And then everyone's all kind of excited and adrenaline out and shaking hands too many times and everything.

[954] But most of those that we were looking at were just kind of for the comedy of how easy it is, like the timed feeder.

[955] It's just like I said, there's totally different kinds of hunting.

[956] Yeah.

[957] I remember me and my friend Duncan once.

[958] We were doing the sci -fi show.

[959] We were searching for Bigfoot, and we went, and we were in the Pacific Northwest, and we went to this spot that was like this weird little diner, and we ate lunch there, and they had a television on that was showing a compilation of all the kill shots on D. So it was like an hour -long video.

[960] Oh, my God.

[961] boom the deer getting shot in the rib cage and jumping up in the air and running to his death and it was like a cum shot compilation yeah that's like people too lazy to watch the whole porn he just want to see people jizz that's what it was like there's something like some of these videos it's like there's one woman taking her kid who looks like he's 10 squirrel hunting and I don't know the whole thing like it's this happy music playing and he kills a squirrel it I don't know it looks like there's a brooder film or something It's really, I mean, at the time, I wasn't used to hunting, and I was just like, oh, yuck, this is like, but then, yeah, there's some of them that are just, there's a video for, and it's an ad for something called the Barnes Varmint Grenade.

[962] It's just like a bullet that just vaporizes groundhogs.

[963] And in the Silicon Valley Riders room, I was just saying, you got it, like, I guarantee, like, there's vegans in the room.

[964] It's like, and they were laughing.

[965] It's so, it's like watching Monty Python.

[966] It looks so silly, but it is an animal getting blown away, but like it's so, oh, no, you've got the Barnes.

[967] Not this one, no, that's, that's, what is this one?

[968] You got to go to the ad, because the guy, the guy's voice is like, the Barnes Varmint Grenade.

[969] Let me see what, what is that, go back up.

[970] I can't tell which one is.

[971] Oh, down, go down.

[972] The one.

[973] Like this?

[974] Oh, yeah, try.

[975] Is that the one?

[976] Maybe.

[977] Barnes doesn't make only all copper bullets.

[978] The varmate grenade.

[979] is a new lead -free varmint bullet that gives explosive results.

[980] I apologize to anyone.

[981] Originally developed for military applications, the bullet has a copper tin composite core.

[982] This highly frangible core greatly reduces a chance of ricochets.

[983] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[984] The new flat -based hollow cavity bullet remains intact at ultra -high velocities, yet fragments instantly on impact.

[985] Here's how a 36 -grain 22 -caliber varmort grenade bullet reacts when hitting a grape.

[986] Oh my god.

[987] Here's another view in slow motion.

[988] The varmint grenade bullet comes completely apart while it's still inside the grape.

[989] Oh, wow.

[990] Here's what happens when a 62 grain 6mmon grenade strikes a cherry tomato.

[991] That's out of sake.

[992] That's just over an inch in diameter.

[993] That's it way out of sick.

[994] Look again.

[995] Here's what's left of the bullet.

[996] The varmint grenade arises, ground squirrels and prairie dogs.

[997] Oh, my God.

[998] Jesus.

[999] The thing is, it's like.

[1000] Coyote doesn't get it.

[1001] Don't work.

[1002] Coyote and Bobcat Peltz are virtually undamaged.

[1003] Deliveres sniper -like accuracy.

[1004] Oh, it's just ridiculous.

[1005] Barnes is a famous ammunition manufacturer.

[1006] They make copper bullets.

[1007] Oh, okay.

[1008] So they're a known.

[1009] This isn't like a fringe.

[1010] No, no, no, no. They make great bullets.

[1011] And so I guess they branched out into the groundhog killing.

[1012] People hate those little fucking.

[1013] Groundhogs and prairie dogs, rather.

[1014] Prairie dogs leave holes, and a lot of horses and cows step in them and break their legs.

[1015] Yeah, people get, yeah, groundhogs are...

[1016] Yeah, especially prairie dogs.

[1017] There's a lot of videos of...

[1018] There's a video of Brock Lesner from the UFC shooting prairie dogs with a 50 -caliber rifle.

[1019] What?

[1020] Yeah, which is very similar.

[1021] Those are the bullets that are like a...

[1022] Half a foot arm.

[1023] It's so crazy.

[1024] And these things just fucking...

[1025] exploding.

[1026] Someone brought one of those out to my place and...

[1027] Here it is.

[1028] Prairie dog hunting with Brock Lesnar.

[1029] Every time that thing was fired, it was so loud.

[1030] There's like a shockwave you can see in the air.

[1031] Yeah.

[1032] Well, it's an enormous round.

[1033] Oh, God.

[1034] Yeah.

[1035] That's not a 50 cow.

[1036] That's just a regular rifle.

[1037] He doesn't need a gun to kill.

[1038] He's like a...

[1039] Yeah.

[1040] Maybe I'm wrong.

[1041] Maybe it wasn't him with the 50 cow.

[1042] No, he's retired from fighting.

[1043] He went to the back to the WWE and he does that.

[1044] I think that's all he does now.

[1045] Wow.

[1046] See if you find 50 Cali...

[1047] Did you look up 50 caliber?

[1048] Yeah, Brock Lesnar, Prairie Dog, and then look up 50 caliber.

[1049] I might have conflated him with someone else who was shooting Prairie Dogs of 50 Calibers.

[1050] There it is.

[1051] Brock Lesnar.

[1052] Okay.

[1053] Oh, interesting.

[1054] They might have taken it down.

[1055] He might have gotten too much hit.

[1056] Look at that.

[1057] Here we go.

[1058] It's like, oh, yeah, there it is.

[1059] It's the same day, just a different gun.

[1060] Oh, God.

[1061] No, that's a very different gun, though.

[1062] That's the 50 -Cal.

[1063] Yeah, that's the...

[1064] Yeah, just what's in my video.

[1065] Scroll back up so I can see what the title says there.

[1066] Brock Leson, Murder, and Prairie Dog is a 50 -cow or a rifle rifle.

[1067] Where's Pita?

[1068] Oh, God.

[1069] Oh, my God.

[1070] Where is Pita?

[1071] What do you want to do, Pita?

[1072] You want them to die with a regular rifle better?

[1073] Like, what's the difference?

[1074] That's the thing.

[1075] It's like, is it...

[1076] Is it ethical to shoot him with a 50 -calt?

[1077] Well, it's not unethical.

[1078] I was just at the beginning of the video.

[1079] Jesus Christ.

[1080] Oh, he's not even bracing it on it.

[1081] No, he's huge.

[1082] That's not a normal human, man. That's a Viking.

[1083] That's what Vikings used to be like.

[1084] I remember, yeah, he's got to be straight, pure Viking.

[1085] Oh, 100%.

[1086] Yeah, that's like he had probably like a Viking grandma and a Viking grandpa.

[1087] Minnesota.

[1088] The Vikings all kind of, I mean, the Norwegians all settled in that area around.

[1089] Yeah.

[1090] Yeah, I mean, look, my favorite example of Vikings is Iceland.

[1091] That's like more strong men come from Iceland, like guys who win those strong men competitions.

[1092] Oh, really?

[1093] I didn't know.

[1094] It's, there's, Vice did a whole piece on it.

[1095] Isn't that where you run like a ridiculous, like, yeah, it's like.

[1096] No, it's just, it's mostly like they throw barrels over the top of, like, goalposts and they pick up cars.

[1097] I'm thinking Iron Man or something.

[1098] Yeah, you're thinking of Iron Man. Yeah.

[1099] The Strong Man is the, yeah.

[1100] Yeah.

[1101] Yeah, but they're just giants.

[1102] It's like that guy, Thor from the Game of Thrones, the guy who was the mountain.

[1103] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1104] Perfect example, like preposterously huge men.

[1105] And if you were alive, you know, 2 ,000 years ago, and those guys showed up on your shore, you know, with animal skins over their dick, holding a sword, it was over.

[1106] Yeah, they went up the rivers and just raped and just raped everybody.

[1107] Yeah, raped and murdered everybody.

[1108] Just a bunch of Brock Lesnar's coming.

[1109] Yeah, that's literally what it was, which is really crazy.

[1110] to imagine that we've come so far that now the result is this guy's out there shooting prairie dogs yeah it's like placate him do whatever you can to keep him calm give him a gun let him shoot the prairie dog yeah there's a former marine country singer here that him and he's like a like gun expert but he brought one of those out and yeah like me and my friend just started laughing every time someone it was so absurdly loud and like you can feel this wave go across your face and i guess it those bullets go like two miles or something like in somebody in afghanistan or somebody set a world record for with a 50 caliber was it a 50 cal oh maybe it wasn't i know like i know there's one video there's a crazy find this video where a guy shoots a deer with a 50 caliber and misses the deer but still kills it he kills it because the the bullet passes right by the deer's head oh god and the force of the bullet passing by the deer's head sucks its eyes out of its head and just immediately pulverizes his brain okay i don't feel like such a wuss then for for being like no it's crazy the shockwave that that thing and this is with like noise canceling headphones oh yeah it's just like boom no it's a preposterously loud, round.

[1111] Also, like, yeah, and it looks like an SD's rocket or whatever.

[1112] Yeah, it's a big round.

[1113] It looks like, yeah, like a Red Bull can.

[1114] Yeah.

[1115] So this is, yeah, that's how big it is.

[1116] Look at the size of that.

[1117] So see if you can find the deer.

[1118] The guy kills the, that's it.

[1119] That's definitely, yeah.

[1120] Yeah, somehow that.

[1121] So he shoots, and the deer goes down, but then when he gets there, so he's sighting in on this deer, and watch this.

[1122] Oh, no. But watch this.

[1123] He shoots it, the round goes off, and the deer goes down, right?

[1124] So you think he shot the deer, right?

[1125] So they go over, and there's no wound on the deer.

[1126] Wow.

[1127] It didn't hit it at all.

[1128] Oh, God.

[1129] Isn't that crazy?

[1130] Oh, that's kind of hideous.

[1131] Like, it sucked his eyes out of his head and his mouth.

[1132] Like, the deer's instantaneously dead, but with no impact.

[1133] I guess that wouldn't be a horrible way to go.

[1134] Watch this, though.

[1135] when they show it see just passes by his head oh man watch this watch it in slow motion it doesn't hit him oh my god i wonder what the range of just sucking eyeballs out is for that's so awful it looks like i mean it looks like he misses it by like an inch i mean if you watch the vapor trail i mean it's just passing right by his head or her head and then the deer's like that's a wrap wow isn't that crazy just the force of it passing through the air i didn't grow up hunting like i don't it's it's sort i mean even like my family on my dad's side did but but like i didn't so it all just seems like hideous to me but then i mean you know it's uh depending on i mean there's well like new zealand or you know it's like they have to do it it is our yeah yeah and that's the thing about i mean native america it's like that was there Yeah, and the wild pigs are really, actually, really bad for the environment.

[1136] Are you still connected on here?

[1137] We've got, like, a weird feedback.

[1138] You hear that?

[1139] You don't hear that?

[1140] Oh, we're good.

[1141] I hear very low, low, but, I mean, it's super quiet.

[1142] Yeah.

[1143] I should probably go around three just to catch my flight.

[1144] But anyway.

[1145] Where are you headed to?

[1146] I'm going to go back to L .A. I'm in L .A. for the summer.

[1147] Oh, yeah?

[1148] Too hot here?

[1149] Too hot.

[1150] Texas people like to do that They bail They either go to Colorado A lot of folks here go to Aspen Yeah everyone goes to Colorado And they go to New Mexico too I grew up in Albuquerque And my dad was always griping About Texans coming in How long have you been here?

[1151] Well in Texas since Wow 88 But Austin 94 Yeah Moved I was in New York For Beavis and Butthead For like a year and a half I guess I remember I came out here once for a UFC, and you were backstage, and I was surprised.

[1152] I was like, what, this guy likes to UFC?

[1153] It's weird.

[1154] Like, yeah, I got, I'm not even a big sports fanatic, but for some reason I got really addicted to UFC.

[1155] You're missing it.

[1156] It's here this weekend.

[1157] That's what I heard, yeah.

[1158] Yeah, it's a good one.

[1159] It's a big one.

[1160] Saturday night.

[1161] Yeah.

[1162] My friend was asking if I was going, and I got to get back.

[1163] But, wait, who is it again?

[1164] Well, the main event.

[1165] No, I'm going to watch.

[1166] I haven't been in the audience of a UFC in 20 years.

[1167] Oh, really?

[1168] Yeah, I get to just sit.

[1169] I'm only going to watch, which is great.

[1170] I'm not working.

[1171] I'm excited.

[1172] Wow.

[1173] And so the main event is Calvin Cater versus Josh Emmett, they're two featherweight contenders.

[1174] But there's Cowboy Soroni is on the undercard, fighting Joe Lowe's on, just a bunch of very good fights.

[1175] Very exciting fights.

[1176] Cowboy Soronis is from Texas, isn't he or no?

[1177] No, he's from Colorado.

[1178] Colorado?

[1179] Yeah, Colorado, that's right.

[1180] Yeah.

[1181] So here, Tim Means versus Kevin Holland, that's a great fight.

[1182] Joaquin Buckley versus, uh, I don't know, uh, Albert Dureyev, but Joaquin Buckley is a fucking assassin.

[1183] There's great fights, really great fights.

[1184] Oh, wow.

[1185] I haven't seen, that guy Dureyev is the favorite.

[1186] Ooh, interesting.

[1187] Wait, who, he, he fought someone, didn't he beat somebody big?

[1188] He's, oh, Buckley?

[1189] No, uh, Dory, I don't know.

[1190] Let me see what his record is.

[1191] I kind of, I was, I kind of stopped watching for a little while and started getting back into it.

[1192] But I used to, I used to be addicted to it.

[1193] Oh, yeah.

[1194] Mm. Um, you were addicted to it.

[1195] Yeah, when I saw it when you were there, was that, that was like 2011 or something to, in Austin.

[1196] Oh, he fought Anthony.

[1197] Oh, he's going to fight Anthony Hernandez.

[1198] That got canceled.

[1199] Now he's fighting Buckley.

[1200] So this is only his second fight in the UFC and his favorite over Buckley, which is wild.

[1201] he must be talented i did not see his first fight though lozahn's been at it forever forever this is a kind of a retirement fight for both guys i mean donald seroni is in a new movie right now um with gina carrano and actually a western um that's coming out soon oh he acts he's been yeah he's starting to act i mean that's what he's going to transition to i believe you know out of uh fighting he's going to transition to acting and he's perfect for that he's such a character A bunch of MMA people have gotten into.

[1202] Yeah.

[1203] When you're casting films, that's got to be one of the weirdest parts of making a movie.

[1204] Like, you have this idea, you write it out, and then you meet a bunch of people, and you've got to get them to try to become this thing that you've created on paper.

[1205] It's, yeah, it's my, I mean, I actually am proud of who I've cast.

[1206] I think I'm pretty good at, but it's my least favorite part of the process.

[1207] the audition part of it, like, I mean, it's like going on some weird, horribly awkward date every five minutes for however many hours you're doing it, because every person comes in and they're looking for any sign on your face of how they did.

[1208] And a lot of times they're really great, and you want to tell them they're great, but they may not just be the type for the part, and you want to say that, but all they want to hear is that they got the part.

[1209] There's nothing you can say that's, so.

[1210] you just kind of go okay thank you and and you know it's there's you want to give the part to everybody but you can only pick one it's just it's such a yeah and and also when you're yeah if you wrote everything and you're hearing it done horribly sometimes that makes you shakes your confidence in the material and I mean usually though like my first experience with it was because I mean doing animation I was doing a lot of the voices myself or most of them but like with office space, when I did start having good people read for it, it makes the writing seem better.

[1211] Like, actors can make the writings, make the dialogue seem better than it is.

[1212] Sometimes, I think, like, I remember thinking for some of the, I mean, then sometimes it doesn't work at all, and it makes you think it's horrible, but I remember thinking, wow, I'm a pretty good writer, but a lot of it's just because the actors are just making it seem so real.

[1213] Terry Cruz was the perfect president for that movie.

[1214] Did you have him in mind?

[1215] Who did you have in mind when you wrote it?

[1216] No, I mean, I think maybe it's okay to say now.

[1217] You know, it's like I was sort of thinking Benicio del Toro actually.

[1218] Oh, he would have been great too.

[1219] Yeah, I mean, and he turned it down, I think.

[1220] But I don't even know if it got that far.

[1221] Once, when Terry auditioned, he just stole the part.

[1222] Like I was showing it to people.

[1223] It's one of those things where when something's that good, you just keep watching it, you know?

[1224] and I just kept watching it.

[1225] He's a rare funny guy who's also jacked.

[1226] Yeah, I was just saying that.

[1227] Like he's, yeah, he's, not many people can pull that off.

[1228] Very few.

[1229] He kind of has to be jacked.

[1230] He might be the only one.

[1231] He might be the only guy that's built like that, that is really funny.

[1232] There's something where it all works, like, with his face.

[1233] And when he was doing that, I was just, I kept going like, wait, this is amazing.

[1234] this he's the president and he's that jacked and he's making these puzzled faces and he's he's got so much charisma and he was a porn star and a WWE champion yeah was the character a WD like in there look at him I mean how many people are funny and they're built like that it was like fucking nobody no it's really rare so rare and and you buy into it like it makes you laugh And when you wrote it, did you write as a WW champion?

[1235] Was that already in there before Terry was there?

[1236] That was in there, yeah.

[1237] That was in there.

[1238] And so I guess, like, I actually auditioned, not for that part, for some of the other ones, a lot of WWE people, and something, a lot of them are decent actors, but there's something just that wasn't funny in the right way.

[1239] But they didn't read for that.

[1240] but um we had um yeah we had uh at one point tank abbott read for not for that part but for um i think the doctor in the hospital and he was actually pretty good he was pretty funny actually smart dude yeah like he's he's a surprisingly smart guy who just likes to beat the shit out of people yeah he seemed smart he seemed like a funny i mean i've heard i'm i've heard he's scary or something but i thought He was really funny.

[1241] Oh, he's a very nice guy.

[1242] Yeah, he seemed like a nice guy.

[1243] I've gotten hammered with him before.

[1244] He actually just came upon hard times.

[1245] Yeah, he had a liver cancer.

[1246] He had a transplant.

[1247] Is that what it was?

[1248] Yeah.

[1249] He had a liver donor, yeah.

[1250] He had some.

[1251] Which is not surprising if you know how hard that guy partied.

[1252] Well, he was saying, he was saying to it, because he came close to, I came close to casting him for, he had read for a couple different things.

[1253] But he was really, really nice guy, but he'd say, like, okay, you guys can call me. I might be drunk.

[1254] like he kept saying I might be drunk but he had a he showed me like he I guess all the fights he would do these like pit fights on the beach for the hell's angels or something and he just like takes these teeth out and goes like yes yeah I just finally got these so I could just take them out because I don't know teeth kept getting knocked out or something but yeah what a legend yeah he was a real character in the early days of fighting and he was the first guy that I ever saw that figured out to put on gloves.

[1255] Oh, that was...

[1256] You didn't have to wear gloves back then.

[1257] When he first started fighting, gloves were optional, and he did it to protect his hands.

[1258] Very smart.

[1259] Did he invent those kinds that, or I guess we're those, not full boxing gloves, but like the...

[1260] No, he definitely didn't invent them.

[1261] They were around.

[1262] I think Century might have had them as, like, bag gloves at one point in time, and he started wearing them.

[1263] It was him and Vitor Belfort.

[1264] Those are the two guys, the first guys that I ever saw wear those gloves.

[1265] and then I better think tank was first and then they wound up being a thing where people would wear them and then it became standard yeah those old ones were were great you know John Chris Felousie the Rennon and Stimpy guy was way into that and he claims to have given Spike TV the idea for the UFC reality show because he was saying yeah you guys got you guys got to follow Tank Abbott around when he's installing air conditioners and you get to see what he's like during the day you know and he installed air conditioners I think that's what John said.

[1266] Really?

[1267] Back then, yeah.

[1268] I had a regular, some kind of...

[1269] Nine to five.

[1270] I didn't know that.

[1271] Yeah.

[1272] That's what John Chris Flues.

[1273] Yeah, I don't know if he came up with the idea.

[1274] But that kind of really boosted the UFC.

[1275] Oh, that was it.

[1276] Yeah, that was 2005.

[1277] Yeah.

[1278] That was right around the time, mediocrisy came out.

[1279] Yeah, I was doing the...

[1280] I was in the editing stages of it when I started watching that, actually.

[1281] got me hooked yeah it got everybody hooked the finals with stephen bonner and forest griffin was this insane fight that the during the fight the the amount of people increased substantially what i've heard yeah which was like people were calling people up and go oh my god you got to watch spike tv yeah i was watching it's insane yeah it was live on spike it wasn't a pay -per -view right yeah yeah was live on spike it wasn't a paper view there were there's no i mean nobody was really watching the ufc i mean there was pay -per -views that were still on, I think back then, we were just on direct TV.

[1282] I don't know if we had gotten back on cable yet, but it just wasn't that popular.

[1283] Were you on it?

[1284] You were commentating at that point?

[1285] I started commentating a couple years before that.

[1286] I was commentating in 2002.

[1287] That's when I started.

[1288] Oh, wow.

[1289] Well, I actually started in 97.

[1290] I was the post -fight interviewer.

[1291] Oh, really?

[1292] Yeah, I did that for a couple years.

[1293] That was in, like, UFC 12 was the first one that I did.

[1294] It was in Dothan, Alabama.

[1295] We had a fly -in and a puddle jumper playing.

[1296] Oh, I've seen that one, I think, yeah.

[1297] And that was Vitor Belfort made his debut, and he knocked out Trey Telleigman and Scott Farozo to win the tournament.

[1298] It was the early, early, early days.

[1299] You could wear shoes back then.

[1300] It was a completely different sport.

[1301] Oh, right.

[1302] You look at those old ones.

[1303] They were wearing shoes.

[1304] Yeah.

[1305] You could still pull clothes.

[1306] People are pulling ponytail.

[1307] Uh -huh.

[1308] You used to be able to punch people in the nuts.

[1309] There was a lot of crazy shit.

[1310] that you could get away with back then.

[1311] But it was a different world.

[1312] And I did it for a little while, but I thought it was like a novelty.

[1313] And it was something that I, as a martial artist, the question was always like, what would happen if a judo guy fought a karate guy?

[1314] So the UFC came along and they said, let's see.

[1315] And so for me, it was exciting just to be there and watch.

[1316] And I was always a fan of it and a lot of the Japanese organizations.

[1317] And then it was just, I was losing money doing it.

[1318] And so I quit.

[1319] And so then I got on Fear Factor.

[1320] and I would go to, once the UFC was purchased by Zufa, the Fratita brothers and Dana White, I would go to watch the fights in Vegas.

[1321] And I became friends with those guys, and they would get me ringside tickets.

[1322] And I would say, hey, why don't you, do you know about this guy's fighting in Japan?

[1323] Do you know about this guy from Russia?

[1324] And they would go, hey, you want to do commentary?

[1325] I was like, no, I don't want to do commentary.

[1326] I just want to watch fights.

[1327] Like, I want to do it.

[1328] Yeah, you're the voice of it now, though.

[1329] It's crazy.

[1330] It's all because of Dana.

[1331] Dana talked me into it 20 years ago.

[1332] Wow.

[1333] and that's the story all right so beavis and budhead it's out when what is the date it's out let me get this right june 23rd june 23rd okay so we'll release this the day comes out so that oh it juices it out look at that bevis and budhead do the universe i'm fucking very excited very excited to see this streaming june 23rd and it is it on what's it on paramount plus yeah another uh and then that's where yellowstone is oh and uh okay cool and then uh the new episodes come right after that there's episodes where they're old yeah if you click on that one there's uh we're doing a little spinoff where they're middle aged and how many episodes do uh there's going to be 24 but there's two in each half hour like it used to be oh nice so they're going to be watching ticot videos and music videos and when is that going to come out when is the series do um august i think first week of August.

[1334] Fantastic.

[1335] Yeah.

[1336] Mike, thank you very much for coming in here, man. I'm a giant fan of everything you've done.

[1337] Thank you.

[1338] You're awesome.

[1339] Thanks for having me. My pleasure.

[1340] Anytime.

[1341] All right.

[1342] All right.

[1343] Bye, everybody.

[1344] Bye -bye.