#1316 - Abby Martin

[0] two one boom hello abby hello jo what's going on nothing much i saw you chilling with oliver stone the other day yeah what was that like it was pretty cool he's a interesting guy very interesting guy yeah he likes to support radical politics so he came out for the screening of the new film that we did yeah he's a very unusual character in that regard right because he's like this blockbuster movie maker guy but he's also a pretty radical guy and the way in his politics and when he supports and Yeah, he was kind of like the black sheep of Hollywood for a while, you know, doing all the radical kind of the radical outlier of Hollywood, basically.

[1] Yeah, but the, you saw the JFK movie, right?

[2] Yeah, of course.

[3] That was a weird one, right?

[4] It's like, I kind of like, hey, man, that fucking general wasn't even a real person.

[5] Like, you made up a real person.

[6] Like, you put him in there.

[7] Like, that guy didn't exist.

[8] A lot of the movies is really good.

[9] Yeah.

[10] Very good.

[11] Very, very good.

[12] But I get it.

[13] He kind of needed to move it along for a 90 minute or.

[14] two -hour movie, whatever it was.

[15] I get it.

[16] It kind of needed, like, this little character to, like, be dishing out the inside scoop that Donald Sutherland character.

[17] Yeah.

[18] But in real life, there was no guy.

[19] I didn't know that.

[20] Yeah.

[21] God damn it, Oliver.

[22] If you knew, would you...

[23] Tricked again.

[24] Would you be like, hey, motherfucker, what'd you do?

[25] Why'd you add that guy?

[26] Because it's weird, because, like, people talk about that.

[27] They said, hey, you know, in the Oliver Stone movie, they detailed all these things had happened.

[28] Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[29] But they also added a guy.

[30] Right.

[31] wasn't a real guy right well i guess at the end of the day it's a fictional you know but how is it if it's a real president who was shot by someone and you're trying to explain who in your your movie and you have all these real characters but then you got this one guy you just kind of shoved in there yeah the the professor what was what did he call himself in the movie again the don't know i do not remember i haven't seen it in years yeah because i if i remember correctly it was him kind of just filling in the gaps and kind of tying the narrative together.

[32] I believe so.

[33] They used him as a tool to kind of move the movie together.

[34] Let's come on.

[35] Isn't that another way to do that?

[36] And the make up a dude.

[37] Brilliant ass movie though, right?

[38] Very good movie.

[39] I don't know.

[40] What do you think happened?

[41] The Oliver Stone was.

[42] What do you think happened?

[43] Right off the bat.

[44] Why not?

[45] Fuck it.

[46] I don't know.

[47] I mean, I think that...

[48] But if I gave you a hundred bucks, you said, all right, Abby.

[49] quote, bet on red or bet on black.

[50] Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, or do you think that there was some sort of conspiracy involving various nefarious groups?

[51] I think Oliver Stone's movie is closer to the truth than obviously what the official narrative is.

[52] I think that if you look at all those high profile assassinations in that era, I think a lot of them are highly questionable.

[53] I mean, it doesn't just stop with JFK.

[54] We're talking about RFK.

[55] I don't believe that story at all.

[56] Martin Luther King you know I mean all of these people there's really really sketchy things about all of them and if we were conducting the CIA was conducting basically an assassination program around the world to expedite US foreign policy and imperialism why would we not have been doing that here at home you know I mean we know that Fred Hampton was killed outright the leader of the Black Panther Party so all of these things are kind of make more sense when you look back at history and see how kind of out of control the CIA was was at that time.

[57] Yeah, I mean, it only makes sense that they would want to get rid of certain characters that were causing trouble.

[58] Right.

[59] You know, I had Mike Baker on from, who used to work, he was a CIA operative, and he looked into the JFK, or excuse me, the Martin Luther King assassination, and he said that one, more than any other one that he looked into seemed like something was really, because James Earl Ray was like a loser, just like the shifty guy.

[60] And then before the assassination, all of a sudden he had money, all of a sudden he, like, It looked like he was being steered.

[61] And he went into great detail about it.

[62] I don't remember all the details, but he was shaking his head about it.

[63] He's like that one, out of any one that I looked into, had the fingerprints of manipulation on it.

[64] Well, you know about his family, obviously Martin Luther King's family that had that civil trial and basically concluded that the U .S. government had to have been involved for the circumstances to have happened the way they did.

[65] And if you look at how Martin Luther King at the time was considered the most dangerous, quote unquote, negro in the country, That's what the government was saying about him.

[66] I mean, he was hated.

[67] He was loathed.

[68] He was trying to basically implement like a poor people's campaign to occupy D .C. To give poor people economic rights.

[69] That was a, that was really, really threatening, I think, to the establishment at that time.

[70] Also, you know, it's hard for us when we're thinking back about that era.

[71] I mean, we weren't really, I mean, I was born 67.

[72] You were born after that.

[73] It wasn't, we don't understand that era.

[74] That's 100 years after slavery, just 100, a person's lifetime.

[75] A person's lifetime, yeah.

[76] Kind of crazy.

[77] Right.

[78] You know, and things still hadn't been resolved.

[79] And then when you look at it now, I mean, Juneteenth, they had the congressional hearings.

[80] They're talking about reparations.

[81] And you see just the different polarized sides of how people look at it, even today, whether or not reparations should be given or whether or not there should be any sort of, any sort of.

[82] effort to rectify the obvious, if you look at the economic strife that's in these southern cities that are primarily African American, that are really from slavery.

[83] I mean, this is literally the remnants of slavery and it's never been fixed.

[84] It's almost like any other problem that would be in our infrastructure, any other problem that would be anything with pollution or anything else that people clearly did where someone did and fucked it up, there's efforts made to fix it.

[85] And there's discussions about it.

[86] But this is so much resistance.

[87] Right.

[88] Tenahassee Coates, I think his name is he was testifying there.

[89] And he was saying that, you know, the argument is we had nothing to do with this.

[90] Because again, it was more than a person ago.

[91] Why should we have anything to do with what slavery did?

[92] And it's beyond that, though, as you're mentioning.

[93] I mean, this was an institutionalized racism that we still see the effects of very starkly with.

[94] within the prison community, within, I mean, all these things.

[95] And he said, we were still paying out civil war soldiers' families, pensions, decades after that.

[96] So like, why do that, but not actually try to, you know, provide some economic justice to the black community?

[97] It's a weird conversation, because it's not just a conversation about whether or not something wrong was done, but it's also a racial conversation.

[98] Like, I've seen some weird posts.

[99] Like, You know Chuck Woolery, the guy who's from The Love Connection?

[100] We'll be right back in two and two.

[101] Remember that guy?

[102] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[103] Well, that guy has turned into this, like, serious, hardcore right -wing pundit.

[104] And I think it was him that was tweeting about reparations for union soldiers for their families that died fighting in the Civil War.

[105] It was like, how about these people?

[106] And then, like, not saying, how about the fucking people who's, like, brought over here from Africa and chains and their great grandchildren are alive today in the same communities.

[107] Well, it was the basis of our capitalist society.

[108] I mean, that's why we're the richest country in the world, because it was predicated on the enslavement of Africans.

[109] Yeah, I don't know if you can fix it by giving people money today, but I do think the money should be spent to try to fix those communities.

[110] And I think that can be engineered and done.

[111] And I don't hear anybody talking about it.

[112] Other than Tulsi Gabbard talks about it, and I think Bernie Sanders has made some indications that something should be done, although I don't know if anybody has like a real definitive plan.

[113] But when you talk to people that have, like Michael Wood, who was a Baltimore police officer, I've told the story before, but it's a crazy story.

[114] When he was a cop in Baltimore, they found these papers that showed that the exact, it was papers from the 1970s, the exact same crime.

[115] in the exact same areas and the exact same problem areas they were dealing with in the 70s they were dealing with in the 2000s and he was like what the fuck like just imagine that feeling like here you are your police officer right you're putting your life on the line literally and you're out there dealing with the same problems that existed in the same exact areas and no one's ever done anything to fix it we don't ever get to the route just arresting people yeah you don't get to the route I mean Tulsi and Bernie are the only candidates worth giving a shit about.

[116] What about Buttigiegijijijijee jih jih jih I think that fucking town hall sunk that this is how many candidates are there now?

[117] I feel like two other ones just jumped in the race.

[118] Now we have like 20 I don't fucking know their names.

[119] You know anyone on beyond Buttigieg.

[120] I know Joe Biden.

[121] Beto.

[122] Beto's on the way out though.

[123] He's too close to beta.

[124] It's too close.

[125] He does look like he would be called that.

[126] But his dad actually just openly said in an interview.

[127] He was like, yeah, I called him Beto because I wanted him to get the Mexican vote because I knew who would eventually run for office.

[128] What?

[129] Yeah.

[130] His real name's like Robert.

[131] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[132] That sounds like a soldier.

[133] These people, I mean, these people are like 100 shades of Hillary.

[134] I mean, every single one of them other than Tulsi and Bernie just seem like they're just like Hillary Clinton light or dark.

[135] Well, they've also done this weird thing where they're like, no straight white men.

[136] I'm like, okay.

[137] Like, there's like straight white men.

[138] We're not voting for straight white men.

[139] That's just as bad as saying you're never voting for a woman.

[140] It's just as bad as saying you're never voting for a black person.

[141] I mean, I get it.

[142] There's been a lot of straight white men that have been president.

[143] I get it.

[144] Right.

[145] You're right.

[146] But to say no straight, to disqualify someone based on something, they have no control over whatsoever, is a form of discrimination.

[147] I know you don't think it's a form of discrimination because so many of these people have already had that job.

[148] I get it.

[149] It seems unfair.

[150] You're right.

[151] But you can't say that because that's a shitty way of thinking.

[152] It's piss poor logic and thinking.

[153] It's discriminatory.

[154] It's identity politics.

[155] Yes.

[156] It reigns supreme.

[157] And I saw there was like a combating supporters from Kamala Harris and Bernie at some rally or something.

[158] And then they just kept shouting, we need a woman president.

[159] It's like that's like the only reason why you like Kamala Harris.

[160] You know, I mean.

[161] Kamala Harris, I saw this one speech that she was giving when she was talking about forcing children to attend school by holding their parents accountable where she instituted a policy where if the kids missed school, the parents could be arrested.

[162] Do you know about that?

[163] No. It was super disturbing.

[164] It was super disturbing.

[165] And she was talking about how effective it was.

[166] And that, you know, they had cops show up at the door of the woman's house.

[167] house who was a single mom who had these children and the kids weren't going to school like hey no she was a cop i mean she's a top cop exactly but that authoritative authoritarian nonsense like that way of thinking you know why you do that because no one's ever done that to you right somebody ever knocked on your fucking door and said hey we're going to lock you up in jail because you're 16 year old boy when you have three kids right and if you're a single mom anyone who's a single mom who has a boy knows and that fucking boy hits puberty if they run with the wrong crowd good fucking luck trying to control them good luck it's hard it's real hard and if she's got a job or two jobs maybe because she's trying to put food on the table and keep the fucking lights on and you're going to arrest her because her kid doesn't show up at school holy shit can you imagine looking at all the problems in our country and being like you know what we need to arrest parents if their kids are true in yeah it's it's insane I mean make sure who are these people I'm 99 % sure I'm correct about that they're talking about her like regret about this policy and yeah she's one to one got a little bit of nice because she's running for fucking president.

[168] You should regret something like that.

[169] You want to hear another insane policy?

[170] Going back to Robert or Rourke.

[171] There it is.

[172] The human cost of Kamala Harris' war on truancy.

[173] The progressive prosecutor wanted to transform how California responded to students missing school.

[174] Parents like, I don't know how to say her name, Sheree People's wound up paying the price.

[175] So this lady probably, I remember reading this article.

[176] I wound up going to fucking jail.

[177] Yeah.

[178] So I'm correct.

[179] Yeah, and there was a good reason.

[180] Her kid was sick or something and she.

[181] So, Beto, I don't know, let's not call him Beto anymore.

[182] His name's Robert.

[183] Robert, actually has a really great idea, Joe.

[184] He wants to tax non -military families to pay for veterans' health care and pay for veterans.

[185] Yeah, isn't that nice?

[186] So punish the people who don't want to join the military.

[187] What?

[188] Very smart.

[189] Robert 2020.

[190] How about punish the fucking people who make the weapons, who influence the politicians?

[191] Let's tax the defense contractors.

[192] Find out what the military industrial complex is really made.

[193] of find out how much money they're really making and saying hey look at you guys you made X amount of billions of dollars and look at all these guys that you know we have to fund we have to rely on charities and we have to rely on things like the wounded warrior project and all these foundations that are taking care of these veterans when you're the ones are profiting and yeah i mean that that's where the money should come from yeah it's not like they're poor that's insane these are fucking insanely rich organizations yeah there's stocks have like tripled in the last four years they're They're doing real well.

[194] When we had that situation where Dick Cheney, who was the CEO of Halliburton, was giving Halliburton no bid contracts to go over and fix places that we bombed.

[195] It's like, what?

[196] Yeah.

[197] That is like a doctor breaking people's leg so he can fix them.

[198] It's so crazy.

[199] And then driving around at Porsche.

[200] It's fucking crazy.

[201] Yeah, well, Trump was sitting down at some table with all the head defense contractors a couple months ago.

[202] And it was after the Khashoggi, you know, dismemberment in the embassy.

[203] And he was openly talking about how we cannot stop that $110 billion weapons deal.

[204] And you should see just the glee on these people's faces.

[205] I mean, it was just, it's just unbelievable how transparent it is, especially under Trump.

[206] That was a weird conversation where, who was he being interviewed by?

[207] Oh, Steve.

[208] Steve Hilton, my friend.

[209] I know Steve Hilton.

[210] I know that guy forever.

[211] We're actually family friends.

[212] Our families have gone on vacations together and shit.

[213] It's a good guy.

[214] Is it the Fox News guy?

[215] Is that the Hilton Air or is that just a...

[216] No, no, it's a...

[217] Oh, one of the fuck is named...

[218] Paris Hilton's dad?

[219] Oh, okay.

[220] No, he's British.

[221] But he was interviewing Trump, and they were talking about the military.

[222] And Trump was openly discussing how these people want to go to war.

[223] The military industrial complex wants to go to war.

[224] I mean, Trump's saying that, you know, he didn't want to have anything to do with this, but that they want to go to war.

[225] And it's like, it's, it's, Trump is a weird.

[226] guy because he's such a loose canon that he says shit like that you don't that Obama would keep in his cards you know Obama would hide his cards but Trump hate him or love him he he gives you glimpses that you're not going to get as far as like what kind of influence does the military industrial complex really have on policy change and decision making and whether or not they take action and he was openly discussing it he removes the mask you know it's it's interesting because I think that he's talking out of both sides of his mouth because on one hand he says that kind of stuff.

[227] But then on the other hand, I mean, he hired all the most rabid war generals in his cabinet and also just John Bolton.

[228] I mean, come on.

[229] This is like a maniacal neo -conservative who's been vying for war with Iran since the day he was born.

[230] So it's like if you don't want war with Iran, I mean, he campaigned on it.

[231] So we know that he hates Iran.

[232] He campaigned on abolishing the nuclear deal with Iran.

[233] But then he picks John Bolton to lead all of these efforts.

[234] I mean, it's like, it's like starting a fire and then getting applauded and congratulated when you stop the fire at the last minute before it erupts and takes over the whole planet.

[235] And that's what would happen if we actually did bomb Iran.

[236] I think that people don't understand how precarious the situation is that Trump and these cronies have laid out.

[237] Not just is, but came so close to being a reality just a week ago.

[238] You mean, you don't think we should go to war after, for bombing oil tankers and Saudi oil tankers?

[239] You don't think we should go to war?

[240] We're shooting down a robot.

[241] Yeah, right.

[242] They shot our robot.

[243] That's it.

[244] I would die for Saudi oil tankers.

[245] And I'd be the first one to put my body on the line.

[246] There was a lot of people that were saying, this seems like the Gulf of Tonkin, too.

[247] They were like, I'm not buying this at all.

[248] There were so many people that were like really kind of credible people who are openly saying, this stinks.

[249] Like, it just seems staged.

[250] It seems like some, some big, like, why would they do that?

[251] It's total false flag shit going on over and over and over again.

[252] They're just trying so hard because they're just trying so hard because they, want to provoke Iran to the point where Iran will be forced to respond.

[253] And this is after suffocating sanctions that are causing people's lives.

[254] I mean, what is it?

[255] For the folks at home that haven't been paying attention to this, what is it that makes them want to go to war with Iran?

[256] So we have to just look at what Iran is.

[257] I mean, Iran just won its independence less than 100 years ago in an era of a wave of anti -colonial struggles.

[258] And we immediately, the MI6, as well as the CIA instigated a coup.

[259] So we always talk about how we want Iran to have democracy.

[260] They had democracy.

[261] They had a revolution, a people's revolution that was overthrown.

[262] We overthrew Mohamed Mossadegh and instated a absolute monarchy for decades.

[263] And at the time, it had the highest human rights abuses documented in the world.

[264] It was pretty unique in that sense.

[265] And you can only imagine why Iran is the way it is today.

[266] And there was such a suppression of the left and of the communist party in Iran that the Islamic revolutionary revolution happened and the Ayatollah was the leader of that political movement and that's why Iran has the political system it has today.

[267] But it's about the oil, man. It's always about the oil and it's always about the foreign domination of the region.

[268] They hate that Iran is an independent country and doesn't bow down to U .S. imperialism and U .S. capitalism.

[269] And Iran also is allies with a lot of states that Israel and the U .S. and Saudi Arabia do not want it to be allies with, you know, Hezbollah, Hamas.

[270] And so that's a big problem for the U .S. And it's getting in the way of a lot of kind of goals in the region.

[271] But it's really fascinating when you look at what actually happened because, you know, the nuclear deal was amazing.

[272] It was huge.

[273] I mean, Trump keeps belaboring the fact that Iran should not have nuclear weapons.

[274] They didn't have nuclear weapons.

[275] They never did.

[276] And they were agreeing to never have them.

[277] That was the whole Iran nuclear deal.

[278] But Trump just immediately rescinded that slapped insane sanctions on Iran.

[279] And now, you know, sanctions every month just continuing to constrict their economy and even basically sanctions on threatening sanctions on China and India and other countries that actually do deals with Iran now too, which is totally insane.

[280] So once you do that and then you say, you know, you're hitting yourself, you're hitting yourself.

[281] Why are you doing this?

[282] It's like, no, you're doing this to them.

[283] And on top of that, John Bolton keeps saying, you know, there's all these unique threats coming from Iran.

[284] We need to surround them with all these warships.

[285] And they keep sending thousands of more troops, thousands of more troops.

[286] So you're getting to a position now and now the drone, right?

[287] We're flying a drone into Iranian airspace and expecting that they're not going to shoot that down.

[288] Why the fuck are we flying a drone in Iran?

[289] The fuck would we do if Iran flew a drone in here.

[290] Right.

[291] I mean, it's just unbelievable the chauvinism and arrogance of the U .S. to be doing all this shit and then be.

[292] like, okay, now you guys are a belligerent threat.

[293] We have to do something.

[294] It's like, no, you guys are the ones encircling them and closing all of their, you know, basically just encapsulating their entire territory and threatening them over and over and over again, basically hoping for something to happen.

[295] And if you look back at the Gulf of Tonkin, there was a guy who was actually on the USS Maddox, the ship that was eventually attacked and got us into the war with Vietnam.

[296] And he even said, um, my dad, was on the ship and he said, we had no idea why we were there.

[297] And one of the generals or captains on the ship just said, they want us to be hit.

[298] They want us to be attacked so they can get into a war that they want to get into.

[299] And that's exactly what's going on.

[300] And what's sad is whoever's in the Navy circling Iran, they're going to be the ones who fucking die when Iran does launch back.

[301] They're sacrificing themselves for these generals and defense contractors, profits.

[302] Now, there's some reason to believe that Iran is not being honest about its nuclear program, I mean, that was one of the reasons why.

[303] Wasn't that, what was the virus that the United States?

[304] Stuxnet.

[305] Yeah, Stuxnet virus that they put on the Iranian nuclear program to kill it while they were in the middle of doing whatever they do to uranium.

[306] Right, the centrifuges for the enriching uranium.

[307] I mean, yeah, that was also crazy.

[308] It's cyber attacks, right?

[309] Right, but the cyber attacks weren't they effective, though, in stopping the nuclear program?

[310] There was like a secret nuclear program that they were doing?

[311] I don't know what exactly they, I don't think that there ever was a nuclear program, but I know that that was another crazy thing that the U .S. did was basically infect their thing and destroy all of this technology.

[312] But I mean, basically all we need to know is that they agreed to not develop nukes and it was all agreed from the international community.

[313] And then Trump gets in there and just unravels it all.

[314] And it's so dangerous because Iran would make Iraq look like child's play.

[315] Yeah.

[316] It's not a joke.

[317] And I mean, it's literally so precarious at this point that anything.

[318] can happen and erupt into a full -blown war.

[319] And then when Trump says, oh, I pulled back the airstrike because I wanted to save 150 lives.

[320] No, dude, you're starting fires all over the world.

[321] And then you get applauded and you want to congratulate yourself because somehow he's still kind of appealing to this like non -interventionist line, which is just fake to me because you don't appoint the most rabid, war -hungry people to surround you and to carry out these policies if you don't want that to a certain extent.

[322] Well, it also created this really weird ideological rift where people were complaining that he didn't do anything and people were upset that he was going to take action and he didn't there was even about the drone yeah well that he well about the drone and about the attacking of the oil tankers and that he was ready to launch then he didn't and what wasn't one of the fox guys it was talking about the consequences of taking no actions like was it Brian Kilmead or one of those guys the media is insane but the media has been attacking him from and the democrats too and the media and the Democrats always attack this administration from the right whenever there's some sort of military involvement.

[323] They always want him to bomb and go to war.

[324] It's pretty shocking.

[325] I mean, I guess not too shocking when you realize the corporate media is literally subsidized by like oil companies and banks and defense contractors.

[326] No, I know you didn't have to deal with that at RT.

[327] But what do you think happens when someone is a pundit and they're on a television show and they're talking about something that has these global implications.

[328] Do you think they get talking points?

[329] Do you think they're allowed to express their own personal opinions or are they informed that they're supposed to tow a certain line?

[330] I think there's varying levels.

[331] I think that it would be naive to say, okay, these people are paid to lie.

[332] I think that the vast majority of people working in corporate media are lackeys for the empire.

[333] They really truly believe that, you know, they believe that America is the greatest country in the world.

[334] They believe that we're the world's policemen.

[335] actually believe that these countries are evil and they need to be taken out to instate kind of global hegemony.

[336] I truly believe that they cater to the line of American exceptionalism.

[337] And that's pretty sad but also pretty dangerous because they're the perfect mouthpieces for U .S. foreign policy.

[338] I mean, they essentially are stenographers for whatever the government is laying out, which is really disturbing because the premise of journalism is to actually challenge power and challenge the U .S. government, especially when you are working in America.

[339] you're an American citizen and there's all this destruction going on from on behalf of your government and you're not challenging that, especially when it's war claims, especially when you have assholes like John Bolton claiming, you know, all these things are happening in these channels and bodies of water and people are just like, okay.

[340] I mean, God damn, you should see when fucking Mike Pompeo was talking about how Hezbollah was in Venezuela.

[341] And these people just printed it.

[342] They're like, well, Hezbollah's in Venezuela now.

[343] It's like, what are you talking about?

[344] You're literally just printing what the Trump administration's saying without even questioning these claims.

[345] It's disturbing.

[346] Do you think that the people that are talking about it on TV are just saying it because they really don't understand what they're talking about?

[347] And this just seems to be a way to cover the subject in sort of a way that is acceptable to the network and acceptable to the party and acceptable to this sort of idea, whether it's left or right, whatever ideology they're particular.

[348] participating in?

[349] Yes.

[350] There is definitely that as well, where they know kind of the line that they can't cross.

[351] So even if you individually believe, you know, you think that climate change is an existential threat.

[352] You think that the war in Yemen is a serious thing that you should address.

[353] I think that you definitely get kind of knocked down in the editorial meeting before and you're just like, okay, no, I can't do that.

[354] But what I can't do is just, you know, talk about whatever.

[355] That's, it's so weird.

[356] The advertisers will agree with.

[357] In this day and age.

[358] There's not like a really respected independent source of news.

[359] Right.

[360] That you've got some, the online stuff, which is, there's some online stuff is very good, but some online stuff is so entangled with insults and bullshit and emotions and distorted perceptions and ego that it's like it sort of discredits whatever they're.

[361] trying to promote whatever ideas are trying to get across.

[362] There's no Walter Cronkite.

[363] There's no one person who or no one organization who you emphatically trust with their perspective on the news.

[364] Everything is either left or right.

[365] Everything is like flavored by an ideology.

[366] Right.

[367] It's very ideological.

[368] I don't have a place that I go to that I know I can get clear, unbiased, emotion -free, objective analysis of any international issue.

[369] Right.

[370] It doesn't exist.

[371] I don't, I mean, unless you can tell me of one.

[372] Do you, what do you get?

[373] I mean, I go to real news.

[374] I go to democracy now.

[375] And the only reason is now super left -wing, right?

[376] Left -wing leaning, but you think they're -left -leaning.

[377] I mean, I go to places that are not, this is the problem, like, with capitalism and trying to have an independent media is that you need funding.

[378] Right.

[379] And you need funding from like donors and grassroots sources because once you get funded by these right -wing billionaires and corporations and states and governments, then it becomes very ideologically driven.

[380] And then you're kind of just catering toward what those interests want you to present.

[381] And that's why the Empire Files does what it does.

[382] We're basically based on donations now because Trump's sanctions on Venezuela shut down the show a year ago.

[383] So we did a big donation drive.

[384] And that's why we've been.

[385] Patreon?

[386] we're on GoFundMe and just PayPal, but we're just trying to survive on a very minimal budget because I don't want to take, you know, I don't want to like lobby to corporations or states or go that route because I don't want to, I don't want to answer to anyone other than myself.

[387] But then you just come with a whole host of problems.

[388] You're not getting your message out there.

[389] I mean, that's why it's incredible for you to have me on.

[390] But that's why the fake news mantra resonated so much with the Trump campaign, because people, People are extremely disillusioned with the corporate media.

[391] You know, New York Times, Washington Post these so -called Beltway publications that pretend to be like the arbitrators of our objective reality.

[392] They are the premier advocates of fake news when it comes to U .S. foreign policy, you know, American exceptionalism and corporations in like the corporate line.

[393] They're always the ones towing the things that basically prop up the system.

[394] And so I think people, you know, became really, really just attracted to that whole fake news mantra that Trump was saying because people have an extreme distrust in the corporate media because of the Iraq war, because of all these things that have happened.

[395] But as you know, and as you've talked about extensively, Joe, this wave of censorship that has happened in the last two years since Trump got elected because of Russian propaganda and fake news hysteria.

[396] Yeah.

[397] And it's just propped up these same institutions.

[398] And it's really just gone after a lot of alternative and independent media that have gone by the wayside.

[399] And, you know, people who have been propped up by right -wing billionaires and billioners in general are not going to be affected at the end of the day.

[400] But all of the people who have been caught up in this censorship with the algorithms, with the deplatforming, it's really scary.

[401] It's really, really scary what's happened.

[402] It is scary to me because the Internet, in my eyes, is.

[403] is this unique place where people can get information and distribute information.

[404] And then on top of that, you have this almost parasitic entity that is allowing you to distribute information and gather information through it, but also controlling the flow of information And then controlling the flow in its own ideological bend, to sort of match its own ideas of what should and shouldn't happen.

[405] And I think they feel justified by having a guy like Trump in office.

[406] Having a guy like Trump come into office and then go, well, we have to do something about that.

[407] So what we're going to do is we're going to silence conservative voices.

[408] We're going to silence conservative pundits.

[409] We're going to silence.

[410] We call people alt -right and just change our algorithm.

[411] rhythms to make it much more difficult for them to get propagate, for them to propagate their ideas.

[412] I, I just find that really distressing because I think that in the marketplace of ideas, you're supposed to be able to combat a bad idea with a better idea.

[413] And this is how we, this is how ideas evolve.

[414] This is how people get to communicate.

[415] You get to look at what someone's saying, look at how someone's dissecting what someone's saying, and then for yourself, figure out what you believe and what you don't believe.

[416] And there should be a free exchange of information so that you can figure that out.

[417] And when someone's shown to be a bad actor or a liar or have deceptive news, fake news, whatever you want to call it, okay, now we know, and this is a clear example of that, so now take it with a grain of salt whenever they say anything about anything else.

[418] But when you de -platform them and shove them aside, they say, see, they're trying to silence us because they don't believe us or they don't they don't want us to be in power because they're trying to prop up whatever left wing socialist economy that or dictator that they want to put into place and it's this weird sort of situation where you've got people dictating and almost engineering our culture right curating our reality you know what's going on in toronto with alphabet the parent company of google no it's a very disturbing thing to a lot of people where they're essentially setting up blocks and they're putting cameras in these places and they're gathering data and information and they're trying to engineer a utopian city yeah i was reading about it yesterday and i was like no like this is a terrible idea like what if these people don't want to be filmed what if these people don't want information gathered about them like they're they're doing it under the guise of here it is alphabets for Toronto depends on huge amounts of data.

[419] Yeah, we need more data collection, data mining.

[420] Their idea is that they're going to make it easier for people to get around and smoother.

[421] But how?

[422] I don't know.

[423] By like facial recognition.

[424] I love how they always say, oh, people are being sex trafficked and this will help.

[425] It's like, no, dude, this is like 0 .0001 % of all the people that you're, you know, data mining.

[426] Says Sidewalks Labs release more detailed plans for Toronto, the site of Google's sister company's first attempt to bring its techified digital forward sensibility to a full -scale development project.

[427] The sidewalks lab projects dates to 2017 when the Canadian city welcomed the company to an undeveloped section of its waterfront now after 18 months of speculation work.

[428] God damn these motherfuckers speculating work in backlash from local advocates.

[429] The company has a 1 ,524 page master plan for the 12 -acre lot called Quayside.

[430] First of all, I hate the fucking name.

[431] What is it, though?

[432] What is Quayside?

[433] Four -volume plan highlights ambitions and sometimes flashy innovations from Sidewalk Labs, which is pledged to spend $1 .3 billion on the project if it goes forward.

[434] The company hopes to construct all the buildings with timber, which it says is better for the environment.

[435] It also catches fire.

[436] And build an underground pneumatic tube system for garbage removal.

[437] It wants residents to lean on public transit walking and biking rather than personal vehicles.

[438] Good luck.

[439] It's fucking zero degrees in Toronto, you assholes.

[440] And plans to build streets with autonomous vehicles perhaps from its sister company Waymo.

[441] Listen, delivery robots Do you know what Waymo is?

[442] No. No, I don't need.

[443] Delivery robots might trundle down its wide sidewalks.

[444] A strategic use of large, very large umbrella -like coverings might make outdoor spaces comfortable all year round.

[445] No small free.

[446] in Lakeshore, Canada.

[447] Sidewalk wants to designate 20 % of the apartments as affordable and another 20 % as middle income.

[448] So they're engineering a city.

[449] And this is by people who are really just openly social justice warriors.

[450] I mean, these are the people that censored that James DeMore guy and fired him for having this memo that really kind of discussed women in tech based on evolutionary biology, on studies and they said that he was highlighting harmful gender stereotypes which is it's not true it's not accurate if you look at what he actually said what he actually wrote even had a page and a half dedicated in that memo trying to come up with strategic ways to encourage women to get into technology the study that the paper that James DeMore wrote has no relation to the way he's been framed in the way people talk about him this is a direct result of Google and Google's social justice warrior sort of ethos, like the way they operate as a company.

[451] Well, Google pretends to be, you know, don't be evil.

[452] This is, this seems like some algorithmic shit that they gave up on don't be evil.

[453] They took that down by the way, which why the fuck would you ever take that now?

[454] They're like, okay, we're evil now.

[455] But this just seems like they like plugged in some shit in an algorithm and they're like, all right, this is our city now, like where they're creating Sims.

[456] It's control.

[457] I mean, Google, I agree with David Pacman's kind of depiction on Google.

[458] I think that they're a giant corporation.

[459] They have billions offshore in tax havens and they are not liberal.

[460] They appear to be liberal because that's capitalism.

[461] You're trying to basically adapt to where society is at and you want to pretend like you are socially conscious.

[462] But when you look at their actual policies, they're conservative as fuck.

[463] I mean, they actually fund a lot of crazy like Koch Brother, Alec.

[464] They fund a lot of right -wing organizations, the Federalist Society they've given huge grants too.

[465] So I think that they're kind of playing both sides.

[466] Deregulation to lobby for kind of the deregulation of their industry.

[467] So I think that all of the perception and the mantra of Google and YouTube and, you know, catering to like the social consciousness and, you know, what you're talking about, I think is honestly just to make more money.

[468] Well, I'm sure they're going to make more money in the process of doing this.

[469] But the idea that they're going to engineer a city to me terrifying.

[470] That's insane.

[471] I just don't, I don't like it.

[472] You know, there was a great podcast that Sam Harris did with the guy who's explaining what Google has essentially done and what they've done with data.

[473] The data is essentially a commodity that we didn't know was a commodity.

[474] And we all gave up our rights to this commodity.

[475] And this commodity turns out is worth billions and billions of dollars and no one had any idea.

[476] And they just took it.

[477] And now they have it.

[478] And they have it for, and what are they giving you for this they'll let you search things like what are they giving you for this they let you use their email like it's it's kind of crazy yeah they search your email for certain keywords and all of a sudden you know you're looking for a patio chair you know like um i'm looking to buy a patio chair and all of a sudden your fucking google mentions are filled with patio chairs because you send an email to a friend really really creepy or just talk about something and it talk about yeah yeah yeah um my my guest yesterday my friend will harris he was talking about uh trading in his car and he got a fucking text message a a text message that said, hey, I hear you're looking to trade in your car.

[479] You know, here's a, here's a link as to what you could get for it.

[480] And he goes, I'm not clicking that fucking link.

[481] Like, a text message with a link showed up on his phone because of something he was talking about.

[482] He wasn't even talking on the phone.

[483] That's what's crazy.

[484] That's really, really scary.

[485] It's fucking insane.

[486] Yeah, no, that's terrifying.

[487] It's like, what is happening?

[488] How is that happened?

[489] Does anybody know how that happens?

[490] Right.

[491] Like, if you and I were talking right now and you said, I need a new.

[492] laptop and you started getting laptop ads in your Google feed what is happening is your phone listening to you say that yeah yep is that like no i mean it it combs through everything i mean that's what's so fucking scary and apple is the best at it in terms of like not giving up your data it's one of the reasons why i still use an iPhone and support apple apple apple goes out of their way to not share your data when you use maps that's why apple maps suck it's one of the reasons why it's not good.

[493] There was a fucking great article that was written about it that called Apple Maps the Bing of navigation tools.

[494] It's like, you know, Bing, the search engine for, who the fuck uses that?

[495] I use a Windows laptop.

[496] I don't use Bing the fuck out of here with that.

[497] Because Google's better.

[498] Right, so you just go automatically use it.

[499] But Google's just constantly collecting Tina.

[500] No, and all the, going back to this whole tech censorship thing, they preemptively change the algorithm.

[501] That's what's so scary to me is that there wasn't even a law.

[502] You know, like China, we all know that China censors the internet.

[503] We've done the same thing here, but people just think that we still have, you know, freedom of information, that we can all access all these things.

[504] No, I mean, Google, YouTube, I mean, because YouTube is owned by Google now, but they preemptively changed the algorithms.

[505] They backpaged all of this progressive media, independent media.

[506] So it wasn't just about what they're saying.

[507] It's about, I mean, this was targeted to basically all extreme views.

[508] Everything that they felt like was too radical.

[509] I mean, going back to the DNI report, which is where this all started from, this kind of conclusive report that they said these 17 intelligence agencies, you know, here's all the evidence of how Russia colluded and cost the election for Hillary.

[510] They cited my show on breaking the set.

[511] Did you do it?

[512] Yeah, they said I was part of the conspiracy of Russian meddling.

[513] Did you Russian metal?

[514] Abby Martin, are you a Russian meddler?

[515] I just did what Putin told me to do, man. I mean, I'm sorry.

[516] Someone's going to take that and use it as a snippet.

[517] But in the report, it said she fomented radical discontent.

[518] And when you look at what all this is, sowing discord, all of these, you know, the black box algorithm from Hamilton 68 dashboard, like this U .S. government -funded Twitter crawler that just like determines what's Russian propaganda, what's fake news.

[519] And then you have, you know, Facebook working with the Atlantic Council, which is an organization stacked with literal spooks, cops, CIA heads.

[520] and defense contractors, UAE, U .S. government, that's who's like curating our reality now.

[521] And it's all about expunging the most radical views on the internet to prop up essentially the system and the establishment.

[522] And that's why I know it's not a liberal or conservative thing.

[523] It's literally just extremist thought and radical thought that challenges the status quo.

[524] Because sewing discord just means disagreement.

[525] That's what they said this was about.

[526] These websites so discreet court, Joe.

[527] I mean, I thought that was a fundamental thing about American democracy is that you talk about what we disagree on.

[528] And when you look at what the report says of what breaking the set covered, DMT, I mean, that wasn't in the report.

[529] You were on there talking about DMT.

[530] We talked about aliens.

[531] I know, we talked about who the fuck we wanted.

[532] But because I talked about things like inequality and Occupy Wall Street and Hillary Clinton, that was all part of this grand conspiracy to sow discord on behalf of the Russian government.

[533] So it becomes very comical once you, you know, kind of poke at the underlying narrative driving this wave of censorship.

[534] Are you aware of Renee DeResta's work?

[535] Did you ever pay attention to her?

[536] No. She was on my podcast and she detailed what the IRA did, the Internet research.

[537] which agency did in Russia.

[538] And it was really fascinating.

[539] They set up like a fake Black Lives Matter account.

[540] And then they would talk about how as black Americans, we can't vote for Hillary Clinton because of this.

[541] And they started, they developed these communities, these really large online pages, whether it was on Facebook or Instagram or whatever it was, where they spoke as like a Southern separatist.

[542] or as a Muslim, yeah, I mean, they had dozens of them, and they developed these communities, and they developed these communities, and they would set up these organizations, and then they would have events where they had one where they had a Texas secession event directly across the street from a Muslim pride event, and they did it on purpose, so that they would fight.

[543] They put them across the street from each other.

[544] They organized these Facebook pages and these events, and these people show up.

[545] These people that are Texas and say, we should leave the union.

[546] You know, we can.

[547] Texas is.

[548] a republic and then they have these other people on one they want like muslim rights and they want the sharia law and they put them right next to each other yeah they're they're they're literally engineering argument and they're engineering fighting and the idea was that someone wanted this to this idea of promoting discord right they wanted arguments they wanted to fuck with our democracy and then they could shift it just a little bit by doing this by having these arguments by pretending that they're there for LBGTQ rights, but they're really not, but they're really just some Russians are just, you know, talking shit, and that this is what we need to do.

[549] We need to radicalize.

[550] They had Antifa groups.

[551] They had all these different groups.

[552] I mean, Israel and Saudi Arabia do the same thing except way more dramatic.

[553] Yeah, so I think that.

[554] I'm sure the government's doing it right now.

[555] It's fascinating that we just focus on Russia when, my God, this is happening on every front.

[556] I mean, look at going back to Pete Buttigieg, I don't know the fuck you say his name, but he has like hundreds of sock puppet accounts that are all like propping each other up on Twitter.

[557] Oh my God, I just saw it's like blacks for Pete Buttigieg, gays for Pete Buttigieg.

[558] It's like all these making these.

[559] His, I mean I guess he thought that that was I don't know injected with corporate money that he's just like all right make a hundred sock puppet accounts.

[560] It's like everyone does this shit but when we focus in on just Russia and then of course you have the removal of you know Syrian accounts you have the removal of pro -Maduro accounts on Twitter?

[561] Why is it only that we're talking about our so -called enemies that these are the people who are sewing discord and fomenting radical discontent?

[562] What about all the other countries that, you know, we do it all over the world?

[563] What about all the other countries that are doing the same thing?

[564] So if he really does have these sock puppet accounts that are doing this, that are pretending that these are just fans, that's some sleazy shit.

[565] Yeah, it's sleazy as hell.

[566] I mean, that's as sleazy as it gets, in my opinion.

[567] That's some dirty shit.

[568] You're pretending you're a person who's just an independent person who's supporting you when really just is an employee who's there for some propaganda purposes.

[569] And especially like the identity politics thing, like all of the different groups, you know, marginalized groups support you.

[570] Yeah.

[571] It's all fake.

[572] Well, the crazy thing was, you saw that town hall after the shooting.

[573] Oh, my God.

[574] And everyone's saying, how the fuck are you going to run for president when you can't even run a city?

[575] Right.

[576] Yeah.

[577] Yeah.

[578] Doesn't he have a job?

[579] This is what I'm confused about.

[580] These people like have jobs.

[581] Right.

[582] Big jobs.

[583] Why are they running for president?

[584] Giant jobs.

[585] Who's running the city?

[586] Right.

[587] What's going on?

[588] Yeah.

[589] Imagine?

[590] Right.

[591] If I just said, hey, during this, I'm not going to do this podcast anymore.

[592] I'm going to go get Brian Callan.

[593] He's going to be me from now on.

[594] And I'm going to run for president.

[595] Yeah, just jump in the race.

[596] Joe Rogan experience.

[597] Hey, this is Brian Cowan for the Joe Rogan experience.

[598] Like, like, what?

[599] People are like, what fuck is happening here?

[600] It's like Bill de Blasio.

[601] It's like, you have a fucking city to run.

[602] Yeah.

[603] Why are you running for president?

[604] How can you?

[605] The fucking metro's falling apart, dude.

[606] How much time do you spend actually being married?

[607] You piece of shit, get that money back.

[608] Dude, they just want the book deals.

[609] They want to go on the view.

[610] They want to have a reason to be relevant.

[611] It's disgusting.

[612] It's pretty gross.

[613] It should be illegal.

[614] Megan McCain.

[615] It really should be.

[616] If you really want to do it, you should quit your fucking job, whatever you have, and dedicate 100 % of your time to doing that.

[617] If you think that you could have that, first of all, everyone knows what a grueling thing it is to run for president.

[618] It is a fucking time -consuming.

[619] massive commitment to your energy.

[620] How can you do that and also be the mayor of South Bend?

[621] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[622] You just have to be on the phone begging for donations when you're not, you know, jumping on tables like Robert O 'Rourke is all over the country.

[623] It's a lot of work.

[624] Yeah, there's no way you're running that city where I. And how fucking crazy are these people's egos?

[625] I mean, they say that Trump is this existential threat that he's the next Hitler.

[626] He's mentally incapacitated.

[627] Yet they all jump in the race because they think they're the smartest people in the world.

[628] So it's like, I mean, build a Blasio.

[629] It's like, really?

[630] Yeah, I don't know They're pulling so low, drop out Dude, this is all to try to prevent Bernie from winning Does it really is?

[631] Who makes sense to you?

[632] Bernie makes sense?

[633] Bernie is my guy, Bernie's my guy through and through And I'll tell you why Because A, we need Medicare for all We need to abolish student debt And that shit, you just tax Wall Street gambling, done.

[634] Medicare for all cut the military budget, done.

[635] I don't want to live in a country where people are rationing insulin.

[636] I don't want to live in a country where half of the GoFundMe campaigns are because people are going to die if they don't get donations for health care.

[637] What is wrong with this country?

[638] But back to Bernie, I mean, you look at the last 30 years of political advocacy.

[639] This is a guy who's been saying the same thing for 30 straight years, no matter if it's veterans' rights, about Gulf War syndrome, about just a political revolution is needed.

[640] I mean, he's been talking about that since he won the Senate seat initially.

[641] And you can't really say the same thing about any other candidate.

[642] And I do like what Tulsi Gabbard is saying.

[643] And I do like some of the things Elizabeth Warren's saying, but it seems like she's just making it up on the fly and adopting kind of Bernie light policies.

[644] And I think this is all a strategy to siphon all the delegates away from Bernie because we already know this third way corporate Wall Street funded organization that's like corporate Democrats have said they want anyone but Bernie.

[645] Bernie is the biggest threat to the establishment by far.

[646] Did you see when Charlemagne called Elizabeth Warren, the original Rachel Dolezal?

[647] Oh, my God.

[648] See, she's not, she doesn't have a chance.

[649] Not with that.

[650] She doesn't have a chance with the Trump's shit.

[651] All Trump has to say is Pocahontas over and over again.

[652] What's hilarious to me is they say Pocahontas is racist.

[653] It's a fucking Disney movie.

[654] How can Pocahontas be racist?

[655] Elizabeth Warren fucked up.

[656] She really, really screwed up.

[657] That's a big fuck up.

[658] It's a really big screw up.

[659] And then she wound up getting the DNA test.

[660] I am 200 times more African than she is Native American.

[661] I'm 1 .6 % African.

[662] The ego of these people, man. The ego of these people.

[663] It's like she's just so upset that Trump, yeah.

[664] I mean, I...

[665] It's so nuts that she went and got jobs saying she was Native American.

[666] I mean, yeah, it's one thing to say I have Native American blood.

[667] It's another thing.

[668] And I don't know how much, you know, ancestry, Native American ancestry she has, but I do know that she was, you know, that was on, like, her Harvard bio and all this stuff, and it's just like, what is going on?

[669] Well, Jamie did the same scam.

[670] James talked about it.

[671] He did.

[672] He did the same scam.

[673] He got into school.

[674] You're a professor.

[675] He got a Ohio State.

[676] But he thought he was.

[677] A lot of people thought he was.

[678] My wife thought she was.

[679] My wife thought she was part Native American.

[680] So she got her DNA done.

[681] She's a bunch of fucking liars.

[682] Elizabeth Warren's more Native American than your wife.

[683] That was the thing.

[684] I think my wife's still more Native American.

[685] She's a little bit.

[686] But that was the thing where people were like, they wanted it to be spiritual.

[687] They would say they were part Native American.

[688] They wanted to be extra cool.

[689] Whoa, my Native American blood.

[690] Oh, I can, I smell when wolves are coming.

[691] You know, like, you can put your ear to the ground.

[692] You know what it's going to rain.

[693] They felt like they were more connected to nature.

[694] It's like some weird thing.

[695] I remember in high school, like when kids wanted it be cool, they would say they were part Native American.

[696] You're like, oh, wow.

[697] Well, the Native American community.

[698] came out after she got the DNA test and they said this is not this does not make you native native is much more than like whatever percentage of your blood I mean native is a you know it's a way of life it's a culture and they were and it was really kind of gross that whole thing was just bizarre what was gross is even after the testing she was trying to use that as proof that she was correct and then people who analyze the data like are you fucking you know how small this percentage is this is an insanely small percentage but she was saying that Trump need to give her a million dollars because of the fact that she did take the test like it was insulting to the native community it was embarrassing all around and it was also just weird that she even did it at the behest of Trump like why did you do that he gotcha he got you but he had she had to do it because he kept saying it over and over and over again I feel like she's a politician and I say that in the most unflattering of terms I feel like she's one of those people that just says what needs to be said in order to get elected.

[699] Exactly.

[700] That's what it seems like, where I don't get that impression from Tulsi at all.

[701] I don't feel like that's who she is.

[702] I feel like she's a veteran who did two tours in the Middle East and who's a congresswoman from Hawaii who really wants to do good.

[703] I mean, I really do think that what she's, and she doesn't take any corporate money, none.

[704] She wants this, she wants this job because she thinks she can do a better job than what has been done before and the other people that are running for it.

[705] I really believe her.

[706] I mean, she makes sense to me. What do you think about Bernie?

[707] I like a lot of things Bernie says.

[708] You know what I think is interesting now that people are mad at him and he's rich.

[709] Right.

[710] That he made a lot of money off his book.

[711] And he said, you go write your own book.

[712] Make your own money.

[713] I mean, and there's a lot of, you know, criticisms that people lobby against him.

[714] What I like about him socially is that what he is standing for is the downtrodden.

[715] He's standing for the people that don't catch a good break.

[716] When he starts talking about things like income inequality, I'm like, okay, I understand what you're doing and why you're saying it, but what is the cause of income inequality?

[717] Like, that's what we need to find out.

[718] We need to find out what's the cause?

[719] Like, why are these poor communities the way they are?

[720] And that needs to be helped.

[721] That needs to be fixed.

[722] There's so much that can be done that's not being done.

[723] And at least he seems to be, he seems to be.

[724] be calling out to the people that are, that are ignored, that aren't, aren't being served by Wall Street.

[725] Right.

[726] I mean, a big problem is when automation happened, wages stopped going up with inflation and then credit subsidized all of the wages.

[727] And that's why people are just indebted to credit cooker companies.

[728] We're, you know, up to our ears in debt.

[729] And that, and he does talk about that.

[730] And he talks about the solutions to that.

[731] But you're totally right.

[732] I mean, what other candidate of these 25 people are discussing things that are going to reach like a populist, you know, have a populist message that are reaching people.

[733] Andrew Yang is.

[734] I like what Andrew Yang is saying.

[735] And he, again, like Tulsi, does not seem like a politician.

[736] I believe him.

[737] He's an entrepreneur and a businessman.

[738] And he's warning everyone.

[739] He's like the fucking Paul Revere of automation.

[740] He's like, you know, look, artificial intelligence is coming and you're going to be out of jobs.

[741] Right.

[742] The fucking half the country is going to be out of jobs.

[743] And we can actually figure out a way to get through this.

[744] And there's a bridge that we can make and through this universal income, universal basic income, you can develop a bridge where you can give people their basic needs, food, water, shelter.

[745] Give them food.

[746] Like, make sure that no one's starving, that we, even though people are out of jobs, make sure that their needs are met so then they can go and find a way through this mess and then figure out a way to contribute and make an income and make a living and adjust.

[747] But to have nothing, to have nothing, like what is that?

[748] Like, you can't just have people out of work because of automation.

[749] And people go back to the industrial age.

[750] Well, hey, that happened during this and that.

[751] And yeah, okay, it did.

[752] But it didn't work out well for all those fucking people that lost those jobs back then.

[753] We shouldn't have to go through that massive, chaotic situation again.

[754] If there's a way to engineer a better way through it.

[755] I don't know if universal basic income works.

[756] You know, I've talked to a lot of people that think, like, Naval, he was on my podcast recently.

[757] and his perspective is it doesn't give people meaning and it's not a good idea because you need a life if you want people to be happy and you want to be able to do something they need to have meaning in their time and what they do just to give people money it's not going to make people happy i think it's a band -aid yeah i think it's a band -aid i agree with the concept that yang proposes about ubi but yeah i think that if we give people like health care and and have their basic needs met then that it's going to give them the ability in the like to maneuver to find their passion and to be able to have that space where they can fulfill their lives.

[758] Yes.

[759] And I think there's a way to do both.

[760] There's a way to find meaning and have your needs kept.

[761] I mean, the idea is that I don't think that people should get free money to the point where they could live a full, rich life and go on vacations and have a nice car and a nice house and never have to work again.

[762] It doesn't make any sense.

[763] You should contribute.

[764] You should Right.

[765] Everyone should contribute.

[766] But if you're in a job that's going to be completely annihilated by automation and artificial intelligence, it makes sense that as a community, as a culture, we should figure out a way to give people money so that they can have a place to live and food.

[767] And then try to come up with and sort of engineer some sort of a program to help people find new ways of income, new ways of making a living.

[768] I don't know what that would be.

[769] You know, and when I talked to Tulsi about that, she didn't know what that would be either.

[770] This idea of trying to promote new jobs People say that We're gonna create new jobs I hate that expression Like what does that mean If there's not a job How are you gonna create a new job?

[771] Well look at our infrastructure I mean god damn I mean good God We've been giving an F like every year By the Army Corps of Engineers Saying shit's falling apart dude I mean look at the new deal Look at what FDR did And that's what Bernie keeps saying He's like I'm literally in stating An Economic Bill of Rights That FDR did a hundred years ago Why am I considered A radical extremist when I'm just trying to give people basic economic rights and trying to propose jobs to rebuild this country.

[772] Yeah.

[773] What happened to that promise that Trump levied during the campaign?

[774] We want to, you know, he talked about our infrastructure crumbling.

[775] What the hell's been done on that front?

[776] Nothing.

[777] And also, that was the big one is the economy, like the debt, rather, like how much we're in debt.

[778] We're in debt more.

[779] Oh, my God.

[780] Yeah.

[781] Cripling $1 .6 trillion for student debt alone.

[782] That's insane.

[783] What do you think about the people that are calling out to try to leave?

[784] eliminate student debt.

[785] I am 100 % on board because absolutely and you just tax wall street gambling literally that can do it alone you do not have to pay what do you mean by wall street gambling and Bernie laid it all out he I just read this morning on the way here so I don't know the full proposal but wall street just makes you know billions of dollars I don't know how often but just like betting on these trading and shit like wall street just makes so much money and if we just taxed Wall Street, or, you know, like you're talking about taxing these defense contractors or actually trying to change the laws to not have these corporations hide billions of dollars offshore and tax havens, it solves all of these problems pretty quickly.

[786] And it's not a matter of how can we do it.

[787] It's a matter that we have to do it because students are totally crippled.

[788] There's no opportunities in this country.

[789] Inequality is the highest that it's been since the Great Depression.

[790] And that's a huge problem.

[791] We're not going to be able to get people opportunities at all or a better life.

[792] It's also so crazy that you do that to people that are 17 years old.

[793] They don't have any idea what it's going to be like to be 35 and be a quarter million dollars.

[794] Did your parents have student debt?

[795] Yeah.

[796] They did.

[797] Yeah.

[798] My stepfather was in debt when he graduated from school.

[799] It just seems like it's getting so exponentially worse.

[800] But not bad.

[801] Yeah.

[802] I mean, he handled it.

[803] But it's what you have today if you don't have any, if you don't have any, if you don't have any grants and you just try to go to school based on you know on loans Greg Fitzsimmons was here what was he saying his kids were it was 60 plus thousand dollars a year for each one of his kids two thousand I think a year yeah and then there's each one of his kids then there's no jobs once you go and you know right right I mean especially if you have anything technologically related the idea that at the end of four years the technology is going to be relevant it's it's crazy right exactly and then here's the crazy thing.

[804] Like, we all know that kids and human beings, their frontal cortex doesn't even fully develop by the time they're 25, until they're 25.

[805] Wow.

[806] I smoked way too much weed before then.

[807] I was so much smarter could I have been.

[808] I'm so lucky that I always smoke weed like maybe six times before I was 30.

[809] I get super late.

[810] Really?

[811] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[812] When I was 30, I became a stoner.

[813] I was not a pot head at all.

[814] I thought it was for losers.

[815] I thought it just made you.

[816] And a lot of people that don't smoke pot think that.

[817] They think it just makes you lazy and stupid.

[818] But being lazy and stupid, it turns out, it makes you lazy and stupid.

[819] It's not actually a pot.

[820] Turns out it was not the pot.

[821] Turns out, it was not the pot.

[822] But yeah, I tell everybody, just don't do it when you're a kid.

[823] Or if you do do it, don't do it often.

[824] Right.

[825] I mean, if you, I don't think it's, you know, like, if you're fucking 18 years old, you smoke weed once in a while with your friends, I don't think you're going to get fucked up.

[826] But, like, everyday stoners, it's terrible for you.

[827] It's just, you're in a fog.

[828] Like, you need to be able to deal with reality.

[829] But what, and it, like, I always say, it's a tool.

[830] use it use it correctly don't don't you know don't try to do everything with a fucking hammer sometimes you need a screwdriver sometimes you need a saw don't just batter your fucking life with weed but occasionally you smoke a weed smoke a joint rather and you know you have a meal with a friend you feel like more close to them communication's fun you're warm and friendly it's like it's a great I don't want to call it a drug because I don't like that expression this blanket that we throw over amphetamines and sedatives and all these different things and you throw marijuana in there.

[831] It's a sacrament and I think it should be used in the most general and lightest use of that term as a sacrament.

[832] I like to use it.

[833] I like to use it for certain things.

[834] But it's definitely not something you should use all the time.

[835] It's definitely not something you should use as a kid.

[836] You know, and I see a lot of kids that are smoking every day.

[837] Yeah.

[838] I'm like, meow, that's a good idea.

[839] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[840] I mean, it's used as a crutch more and more because I think people are just trying to numb out what the hell's going on.

[841] But hey, better that than pills.

[842] Right.

[843] You know, better that than alcohol.

[844] Oh my God.

[845] Dude, I just read something about how death by suicides is going up in the U .S. and it's going down in almost every other country in the world.

[846] It's like a uniquely fucked up problem.

[847] Everything, man. I mean, it's the same reason why so many people are.

[848] It's all true.

[849] It's the same reason why people are dying on, you know, OD on prescription pills.

[850] It's like America is uniquely fucked in so many.

[851] reasons and I think it's it can be the lack of health care it's it's that we're you know the center of global capitalism I mean there's a lot of reasons why it's also the empty pursuit materialistic yep yeah yeah it's an empty pursuit right and when you get there it doesn't doesn't feel good you're just like you just keep trying to chase in more and gather more things just like that study that shows like there's a cap on happiness it's like it doesn't make you happier when you have more money at a certain point right yeah I 100 I'm in agreement with that.

[852] Doing something you love is what makes you happy.

[853] Having good friends and having family and people that you love, that makes you're happy.

[854] Doing things that you find rewarding, you know, and helping people.

[855] That's the weird one.

[856] Like helping people makes people happy.

[857] And it's so kind of, like, people are like, yeah, you got to look out for yourself.

[858] Got to take care of business.

[859] Turns out no. Yeah.

[860] No, no. Looking out for other people is like super rewarding.

[861] Like it's a selfish thing to be.

[862] generous and kind selfish in a lot of ways because it really helps yourself well that's the whole mantra of growing up in america is you need to help yourself and and you're a loser if you don't get rich and all this shit it's all these impossible um you know goals that we can't do without actually help from each other you know the biggest losers rich people who are sad right god damn right you're rich and you're still depressed you're super successful right and you're still depressed like wow You built a shitty house Like your foundation sucks You know what I mean Because like your foundation Like who you are as a person Like the way you treat people The way you view the world The way you love your friends and your family Like that's your foundation And if you become successful And you have that foundation I feel like you can still be happy But if you become successful And you just shit that foundation away Because you just wanted to make it I'm just gonna make it Fuck all that stuff I don't need that I don't need love I don't need any of that.

[863] And then you make it and you just sit in there alone.

[864] Yeah.

[865] It's just like a fucking tomb.

[866] That's why, I think that's why a lot of people like Trump because they think of him like, I've actually heard this term like a blue collar billionaire.

[867] And it's like, He was given a million.

[868] If everyone's given a million dollars from their papy.

[869] It's a couple million.

[870] Yeah, a couple million from their daddy.

[871] Yeah, you'd probably have it a lot better off.

[872] A small loan of a couple million bucks.

[873] No big deal.

[874] Unbelievable, dude.

[875] To him, that is a small loan.

[876] now.

[877] That's what's really bizarre.

[878] Yeah, he's somewhat.

[879] I think Matt Taibi described him best.

[880] He's like what a stupid, poor person thinks of as a rich person.

[881] Oh, my God, yeah.

[882] And his, and his idea is just to throw money at everything, like the Palestine, Israel thing.

[883] Did you see Jared Kushner's whole layout of like, this is the new peace plan?

[884] No. Oh, my God.

[885] It's literally just let's give them jobs, meaning let's have corporations like basically profit off the occupation.

[886] What's interesting to me is that even right -wing Trump supporters, In particular, she says right -wing Trump supporters, do not seem to like them.

[887] Do not seem to like Jared, Kushner, or Ivanka.

[888] They don't like the fact that his daughter is working at the White House and that the son -in -law is there running things.

[889] Like, they're very disturbed by that.

[890] They don't like that.

[891] Yeah, nepotism.

[892] I mean, well, what's weird is they just blow it the fucking win, man. I saw Fahrenheit 11 -9, totally recommended to everyone who is listening.

[893] Michael Moore's newest documentary.

[894] Oh, my God.

[895] It's amazing.

[896] But the first 20 minutes just shows, like, how Hillary lost.

[897] And it shows that Jared Kushner actually lobbied to have sicko in theaters all across the...

[898] I mean, he was for socialized medicine.

[899] And he was, like, working hand and glove with Michael Moore to roll this out.

[900] It just shows you how fickle they are and, like, how they just have no actual values.

[901] Just trying to make money.

[902] Yeah, just trying to make money.

[903] He was like, this is a great idea.

[904] You know, his voice is really high.

[905] He's like, this is really good.

[906] Maybe you should have...

[907] It's weird.

[908] Yeah, it's super weird, man. I would see the two them together.

[909] It's very strange...

[910] I can't believe they have sex.

[911] You think they do?

[912] No. I think you jerks off in a cup.

[913] She gets a turkey baster and she squirts it in there and she kicks him.

[914] You remember how in Fair Night 11 -9, he shows just how bizarre and inappropriate Trump is with Ivanka, but there's this one talk show where the host is just like Ivanka.

[915] She's like, what do you have most in common with your dad?

[916] And she's like, real estate and golf.

[917] And she's like, Trump, what do you have most in common with Ivanka?

[918] And he's like, well, I would say sex.

[919] Whoa.

[920] It's like, what, what father says that?

[921] Well, imagine that.

[922] Like, wouldn't you have most in common with your baby sex?

[923] We have a lot of that in common.

[924] We have a lot of that in common.

[925] That's it.

[926] Just in common.

[927] What?

[928] That's such a crazy thing to say.

[929] It's super just Freudian, like, I want to fuck her, but I can't because she's my daughter.

[930] He just says so many crazy things.

[931] I just, I think that guy is just always talking, you know?

[932] And when you're always talking, you know, ever get a chance to really contemplate what you're saying.

[933] You're just always just talking.

[934] And then once you're talking, like, so many times during the campaign trail, it just seems like you would say things, and then you would just have to, like, justify what he said.

[935] You know, I've done that when I was younger.

[936] I would say something stupid, and then I would have to try to figure out and make that stupid thing make sense.

[937] Right, right.

[938] And Trump's just constantly going.

[939] Yeah, but I was 20.

[940] You're not like a seven -year -old man. Let's hear it.

[941] Yeah, yeah, let's hear it.

[942] what's the favorite thing you have in common with your father either real estate or golf Donald with your daughter well I was going to say sex but I can't relate that that's the crazy thing is he thought about it and decided he wasn't going to say it I was going to say sex and everyone's like oh shit maybe that's because he's on Wendy Williams and he wanted people to scream I want to say It's just a good opportunity to say sex Like, oh, it's a lady William show He went crazy He's out of his mind But there's a whole montage of creepy shit That he said like he would date her You know, when she was a baby He was like she's going to grow up And hopefully have big tits or whatever Like he's said Really insane And he hates Tiffany He hates Tiffany because she is not Because she's not attractive Oh that's the one he had with Marla Maples Is that the other daughter?

[943] Good, good point.

[944] I don't actually know who Tiffany's, I mean.

[945] I think he had her with Marla, who's very attractive, so it's weird.

[946] That is weird.

[947] Yeah, something happened.

[948] Some sort of cross -inbred breeding.

[949] Lightning storm.

[950] But he just pretends like she doesn't exist.

[951] It's kind of sad.

[952] Well, what are you going to do?

[953] Look, I don't know how the fuck you can pay attention to anything.

[954] I don't understand how a president is still a job.

[955] I mean, it was a great job when Lincoln was running.

[956] things, you know, and probably extremely chaotic.

[957] But with today's economy, when you're dealing with all these different threats to the environment, cyber threats, the economy, all the shit they have to deal with, the idea that one person is supposed to be the general manager of the company.

[958] It's absurd.

[959] It's completely absurd.

[960] And the pardoning power, usually that's supposed to be like sympathy pardons for people like Chelsea Manning.

[961] Yeah.

[962] Not for war criminals who have killed a bunch of civilians.

[963] Yeah.

[964] Like, what is, I mean, that's basically saying, has he done that yet?

[965] Is he, is he, is he, he's, he's, he's talking about it.

[966] This is the seal.

[967] Yeah, this is like, more than just the seal.

[968] I mean, he's, he's contemplating actually pardoning the Nassar Square massacre Blackwater employees.

[969] It's like, what the fuck is going on here?

[970] But that's, to me, that's like sending a message to soldiers, like act like ISIS and you'll be fine.

[971] I'll pardon you.

[972] Meanwhile, look at what he's doing to Julian Assange.

[973] Yeah.

[974] This is like going beyond the pale.

[975] The Sange thing is weird, because I thought that he would be a guy that would want Julian Assange out.

[976] Talking out of both sides of his mouth, he said how many times during the campaign trail, WikiLeaks!

[977] I love WikiLeaks!

[978] Yeah.

[979] But then you look back before the campaign, and he said Julian Assange to get the death penalty on Fox and Friends back in the day.

[980] But again, I think he probably thought about that a micro second before he said it and then how to justify it.

[981] You know what I mean?

[982] He's just like, he's just talking crazy.

[983] He probably had eight cups of coffee, four red bulls, two diet pills.

[984] I just went out there and faa da da da da da so scary though I mean Assange that it's beyond the pale because now you're not just prosecuting whistleblowers with the espionage act you're actually prosecuting publishers that's like a whole level of a direct assault on the first on journalism press I mean he's a legitimate journalist in that regard right what he's doing is he's distributing information that people that is literally going to change the way people view the way the government and the military work It's, I mean, it's incomprehensible how much the world has changed and what we are aware of because of WikiLeaks revelations in the past 10 years.

[985] I mean, even just the film that I just made Gaza fights for freedom, I cite a WikiLeaks cable about how Israel wanted Hamas to win in Gaza, and they said that they were strategizing for that to happen, so then they can regard Gaza as a hostile territory and then just relentlessly bomb them.

[986] That was because of WikiLeaks.

[987] I found that out because of them.

[988] I mean, I can't believe what is going on because people, I didn't, I don't think that people really knew that Trump would take these powers and become so authoritarian with them.

[989] Well, what's disturbing to me is what WikiLeaks used to be something that people on the left would cite as evidence that the military was out of control or that the military industrial complex is out of control.

[990] Then because they feel like somehow or another WikiLeaks was involved in helping Trump, they became a Russian mouthpiece.

[991] and a traitor.

[992] I mean, like the left over the last few years in particular since the, since 2016, WikiLeaks has been sort of redefined.

[993] They're conflating Julian Assange's personal politics, and I don't know what those are.

[994] I know that he had those private DMs with Trump Jr., which looked bad, but...

[995] What did he say to Trump Jr.?

[996] He was talking to him about, you know, we need your tax returns, so then people don't think of us as like a biased organization, and it would look good and kind of like, you know, a little too buddy -buddy with Trump Jr. But that does not take away from the importance and, you know, validity of what WikiLeaks is as an organization.

[997] It's also a person talking to another person, giving their opinion, which makes sense.

[998] People just really don't like Julian Assange as a person.

[999] And it doesn't matter how much you hate Julian Assange.

[1000] This is completely beyond the pale what's going on to him.

[1001] And it's, it's, he needs to be defended.

[1002] His rights need to be defended.

[1003] But very few people are defending him.

[1004] That's what's even more interesting.

[1005] What's crazy is these charges that just got unveiled with the Trump administration, they're trying to extradite him to the U .S., of course, and he'll just be sitting in a cell for the rest of his life if he doesn't face the death penalty.

[1006] But the charges have nothing to do with the 2016 election at all.

[1007] They all have to do with the massacre, the collateral murder.

[1008] That's what it has to do with.

[1009] It has to do with the same thing that Chelsea Manning was in jail for.

[1010] releasing to him.

[1011] And so they've just trumped up all these charges based on him publishing war crimes.

[1012] And that's really what this is.

[1013] It's publishing war crimes and embarrassing the U .S. Empire.

[1014] And what is the, what are they saying?

[1015] What are they calling it?

[1016] Like, what is the actual charge?

[1017] They're saying that he helped Chelsea Manning hack into, I forget, it's like some sort of charge that it's basically concocted.

[1018] They're saying that he helped Chelsea Manning basically release the information to him and that's how he's part of the conspiracy.

[1019] It's total bullshit completely concocted he he's a political prisoner and he needs to be freed and it's absolutely astounding that the trump administration is doing this and that people are going along with it i see people applauding this it's sick it's weird it's weird it's weird it's weird the shift in how people used to defend him and now no longer do and nothing really has changed in terms of what he's actually done it was a traumatic election and people's reptile brains got activated hardcore yeah and they think everything is Russia and they think Julian Assange is Russia and they think anyone who's talking about U .S. foreign policy is towing the Russian line, towing the Kremlin line.

[1020] It's not about the people who control this government.

[1021] It's the dark evil forces behind your friends and family and the people who are talking about, you know, sewing discord and shit.

[1022] And that's, it's a disturbing time because it's hard to relate and actually have these discussions with people.

[1023] Yeah, I think you nailed it when you said the 2016 elections have sort of, they've awakened this reptile brain.

[1024] Because that's what it seems like.

[1025] You're seeing, you're seeing so many people that think that there's a war going on, like a war in this country.

[1026] Right.

[1027] Instead of discussing things, they don't want any discussion.

[1028] They want to shut things down.

[1029] And that's part of, I think, some of the motivation behind this and justification for deplatforming people and wiping them out, like remove them, get them out.

[1030] You know, we're at war right now.

[1031] We have to fix this.

[1032] We have to get a woman president.

[1033] We have to get a gay man. Right.

[1034] It's like this kind of shit that you see.

[1035] Like, they feel like they're in an ideological war.

[1036] That's why identity politics is so fascinating because it's just been adopted by the establishment, by the liberal wing of the establishment to try to trick people that were somehow a progressive society, that it's all just like corporatism with, you know, under the flag and the banner of like social politics and identity politics.

[1037] And it's completely absurd.

[1038] I mean, with Barack Obama, we thought that we were in a post racial society because we had a black president.

[1039] And we know that that's absolutely a falsehood.

[1040] So I just think that.

[1041] we're just going down the wrong path here.

[1042] And neoliberalism has really done a number on this country and the world.

[1043] And we're going to see kind of more authoritarian fascist policies take root because people are really down and out with how capitalism has morphed and has strangled basically the economy.

[1044] It's really disturbing because you know, you're looking at like left identity politics, but it's under the banner of capitalism.

[1045] So really it's just about privatization.

[1046] Neoliberalism is just about privatization.

[1047] So it's not about like leftist, you know, socialist politics.

[1048] And even you look at someone like Bernie Sanders, he's not a socialist.

[1049] He's a democratic socialist, which means that he just wants social democracy.

[1050] He's not talking about abolishing private industry.

[1051] He's not talking about nationalizing anything.

[1052] He's just talking about having workers have a seat at the table and getting the fair share.

[1053] So we're just kind of, we've gone off the wayside of like rhetoric and we just have no idea how.

[1054] to talk about these things in like a fair way because things are so heated and ideological and people are just blinded, I think, and don't really understand these issues well enough.

[1055] And it's really disturbing because we're at a point in our country where we need to have conversations.

[1056] We don't just want sound bites.

[1057] But going back to the censorship stuff and the consolidation of corporate media, people don't have the platform.

[1058] They don't have the voice to get these ideas out there, which is why your show is so important.

[1059] I mean, having people like me, like Tulsi, I mean, bringing out these concepts and shifting the consciousness is very, very important.

[1060] Well, I think that when people are hearing the same thing over and over and over again from one side and then an opposite view over and over again from another side, it's very difficult to have an understanding of what the fuck is going on.

[1061] it's it's very confusing to most people and I think they tend to either just give up or they tend to just find whatever side seems to get them the most social credit or the most most reasonable perspective in their terms like whether it's left wing or right wing and then just support that just just give into that and then just have this pattern that they adopt this this this conglomeration of opinions they adopt and then they're so busy with their job jobs.

[1062] They're so busy with their family.

[1063] They're so busy with their life.

[1064] And then all this other shit when you're seeing, you know, deregulation, all this other shit you're seeing when the stuff that caused the banking crisis, the stuff, all this stuff is going on and it's going on without their knowledge.

[1065] It's all happening underneath the surface.

[1066] And then something erupts, like the economic collapse of 2007, 2008.

[1067] And they're like, what the fuck is happening?

[1068] How'd this happen?

[1069] I didn't see this coming.

[1070] And now the economy crashes.

[1071] And then we have to buy out all these fucking banks.

[1072] And then it rebuilds back up and people are still doing the same goddamn thing.

[1073] They're still working and trying to get ahead and then all this is happening behind the scenes.

[1074] And it's so incredibly difficult to pay attention to all of it.

[1075] Of course.

[1076] And to really develop a nuanced perspective of what the problems are, how to fix them.

[1077] And then who is actually going to support a real tangible solution versus who's just saying some Elizabeth Warren type shit to get elected?

[1078] Well, that's why we need a real mobilization in the streets because there's no person.

[1079] who's going to change this.

[1080] There's no top -down implementation that's really going to revolutionize society and get people living wage and get people health care.

[1081] Even Bernie said, I'm not going to be able to do this.

[1082] I need you to come out to get my back.

[1083] But yeah, I mean, there's nowhere in the country that you can live if you're living on minimum wage and actually afford a two -bedroom apartment.

[1084] I mean, that's the reality here.

[1085] But when we bailed out the banks in 2008, no one had fretted about how we're going to pay for that.

[1086] I mean, it was just, it was just kind of understood, okay, we're going to pay and give the banks the bailout.

[1087] What about fucking us?

[1088] Don't we deserve a bailout?

[1089] What about the people?

[1090] Yeah.

[1091] Banks are too big to fail.

[1092] If the banks fail, then the people fail.

[1093] It's unbelievable, man. And all this shit that we're spent, I mean, the Venezuela shit, all these sanctions, it is, the Venezuela coup.

[1094] I mean, were you following that?

[1095] That was insane.

[1096] Well, I was following it as much as you were sort of putting all as much you were putting a very alternative view as opposed to like what we're saying in either left or right wing publications you were and and you faced a lot of resistance because of that right right but you were there yes yes I was there and that's why I knew with my own I mean I saw with my own eyes the reality on the ground and what do you think is happening over there so what is happening over there I mean if you pull Venezuelan themselves, they will say that their quality of life has lessened because of U .S. sanctions.

[1097] So back in 2015, Obama declared Venezuela national security threat, very random.

[1098] There was no threat obviously opposed to the U .S., but it was just to kind of start the sanctions on them.

[1099] But when Trump...

[1100] What was the justification?

[1101] Who knows?

[1102] Who knows?

[1103] Pressure?

[1104] I mean, there's always been pressure because, of course, the U .S. has always hated Maduro and hated Hugo Chavez.

[1105] And the U .S. empire doesn't forget and it doesn't forgive.

[1106] And, you know, going back to the U. 2002, Bush tried to engineer a coup against Hugo Chavez.

[1107] That didn't work.

[1108] And so what we've done with these civil society organizations is try to foment radical discontent on the ground in Venezuela to try to get some sort of uprising.

[1109] The guy, Juan Wido, was just some guy plucked from obscurity who was just well -known in Georgetown in Washington, D .C., much more well -known there than he wasn't even in Venezuela.

[1110] So, you know, this was completely engineered.

[1111] It was totally concocted.

[1112] No Venezuelans really knew who he was.

[1113] I think like 80 % of Venezuelans had no idea who Juan Wido was.

[1114] But, you know, the economy went into a spiral because oil prices dropped.

[1115] And they would have been able to pick back up their economy.

[1116] But unfortunately, the sanctions were so debilitating that it went to complete freefall.

[1117] Venezuela is not a socialist country.

[1118] That's actually the vast majority is private industry.

[1119] And a lot of those private CEOs are very anti -government.

[1120] Long story short is that the coup was initiated, you know, during the Trump administration after he slapped like 70 sanctions on Venezuela.

[1121] And we're talking about medicine, food, all the things that they're saying that they need, right?

[1122] That they're trying to stage these fake aid caravan deliveries.

[1123] That was all bullshit.

[1124] What they're doing is actually preventing the delivery from food and medicine from getting to Venezuelans.

[1125] And this coup was a failure because the resilience of the Venezuelan people, they believe that they have a democracy.

[1126] They do have a democracy.

[1127] It's actually more free than our democracy.

[1128] there's not a dictatorship there.

[1129] Maduro won a presidential election last year.

[1130] He won a presidential election.

[1131] The U .S. lobbied the opposition candidates to not run against him so then they can say it was illegitimate, that it was a dictatorship.

[1132] And so he won.

[1133] He won the popular vote, and they tried to implement all these things, and they've been blocked.

[1134] And, you know, the opposition keeps crying to the U .S., that they need help, that they need to be invaded.

[1135] It's pretty disturbing when you have opposition candidates saying slap sanctions on us invade our country.

[1136] Help us, Trump, help us.

[1137] I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous.

[1138] But when I was on the ground, I saw flourishing democracy.

[1139] I saw dozens of people, hundreds of people who said that they love the process there, that they believe in the Bolivarian movement and that they're Chavezmo till death.

[1140] And we don't understand because those people's voices are totally censored from corporate media.

[1141] The only Venezuelans that we hear from in corporate media are rich opposition, either, you know, expats or people who just have fled.

[1142] And what do we hear from corporate media?

[1143] What is what is the corporate take?

[1144] So this is even Elizabeth Warren, even Bernie Sanders has been terrible on this.

[1145] I mean, it's really bad.

[1146] I mean, their take on corporate media, if you're looking at like Fox News, they'll say we need to overthrow Maduro and, you know, everyone's starving and it's a failed state.

[1147] They never mentioned the sanctions.

[1148] They never mentioned the fact that U .S. sanctions just from 2017 alone has killed 40 ,000 Venezuelans.

[1149] this was just a study out by seeper 40 ,000 Venezuelans have died from Trump's sanctions from insulin shipments not getting there primarily a lot of other things medicine wise that people have not been getting and they are dying so that is absurd you know we like to think of sanctions as kind of like the soft power that just targets elites of the country no it's an act of war and that's exactly what's happening to Iran and Trump's implemented sanctions all over the world and a really definitely.

[1150] devastating way but but the corporate media will say we need to overthrow them their failed state they're you know they're a dictatorship um and reality no they're not they're democracy and they we don't like their politics that's really what it is we don't like the fact that their politics their politics are that they nationalize the oil and that's really where it comes from this fake ambassador that was trying to get into the embassy here Carlos vecchio he's an ex ex exon lawyer and you see all of these people who were involved in ExxonMobil and all of the oil industries that were flourishing in Venezuela before Chavez got elected.

[1151] And they just want their profits back.

[1152] They want their money back.

[1153] They don't like the fact that Chavez took the profits from the oil companies.

[1154] That's what the crux of the problem is, Joe.

[1155] And it's amazing.

[1156] It's amazing how transparent it is.

[1157] So ever since these failed coup attempts over the last decade, the U .S. has been fomenting regime change through the civil society organizations, USAID offshoots in the country and and basically trying to foment violent unrest, violent unrest to the extent that they burned down streets, there's lynch mobs.

[1158] I mean, when I was there during the height of the violence in 2017, like 200 people died.

[1159] And the news just kept saying, like insinuating that Maduro was going out there with police forces and actually gunning down people in the streets.

[1160] It couldn't be farther from the truth.

[1161] We looked at all the deaths.

[1162] We broke them all down.

[1163] We looked at death records.

[1164] And we found out that the opposition lynnesty.

[1165] mobs were actually responsible for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the streets.

[1166] So that's happening.

[1167] People get lynched for being black.

[1168] They get lynched for being Chavismo.

[1169] These people are targeting maternity clinics, hospitals, basically any enclave of government services, because that's what this is really about.

[1170] It's about a kind of a fascistic bent of the opposition wanting to take back the power from the poor.

[1171] The poor people got power and they didn't like it.

[1172] And that's what the crux of the problem is.

[1173] But when you're looking at the corporate media, it's, an absurdly cartoonish brush that's being painted.

[1174] And then if you look at the liberal media with Maddow and all these other people, they either don't talk about it or they say, Maduro needs to let the aid in.

[1175] You even saw Bernie and Elizabeth Warren saying, Maduro needs to let the aid in.

[1176] Let the aid in, Maduro.

[1177] The aid was the coup.

[1178] The aid was a trick.

[1179] They're getting aid every day from countries that are not trying to actively overthrow them.

[1180] But we staged this big stunt on the border of Colombia.

[1181] And by the way, Colombia is actually suffering more than Venezuela.

[1182] Colombia is in dire poverty.

[1183] There's people getting assassinated every week who are labor leaders and teachers.

[1184] I went there and I talked to a teacher who's living in exile because he's scared for his fucking life.

[1185] But we don't hear about that, right?

[1186] Because they're allies with the U .S. So it's cynical stunt to try to get this humanitarian international outcry to say, oh my God, people are dying, people are hungry.

[1187] It's not a matter of that there's no food.

[1188] It's that food is very expensive because there's an actual economic.

[1189] war being waged by massive corporations in the country and just external entities, whether it be the Trump administration or U .S. multinationals that are exfixating, preventing aid and food from coming in.

[1190] And the aid that they're claiming that they need to accept is basically a hoax.

[1191] It's a stunt to try to get regime change to happen.

[1192] We just saw Richard Branson stage some ridiculous big concert on the border of Columbia.

[1193] And they had like what they said, were aid trucks on this big bridge and you had CNN on the ground being like, all right, they need to let the aid in.

[1194] Why don't they let the aid in?

[1195] And the aid was, it was fake.

[1196] It was just a truck full of like, I don't know, like very minuscule things, but they wanted to try to ram these trucks through just to get the soldiers up in arms and to try to get them to defect.

[1197] It hasn't worked.

[1198] They've been trying over and over going to try to get something going.

[1199] And basically at the end of the day, what happened was just a giant money grab.

[1200] It was basically a money laundering scheme.

[1201] You look at these people who are the opposition leaders now, Juan Wido, Carlos Vecchio, they've just stolen all the money back.

[1202] Maybe they realized the coup wasn't going to go forward, but they basically ended up stealing at least $70 million and just putting it right in these people's bank accounts.

[1203] It's pretty shocking.

[1204] I mean, you have international, it's an international conspiracy to try to take the money back from the people whose money was basically administered by Maduro for social services.

[1205] And the root of it all.

[1206] Is nationalizing the oil?

[1207] Nationalizing the oil is the root of it all.

[1208] And also just uplifting the poor.

[1209] I mean, poor people got a voice and they never had a voice in that country their entire lives.

[1210] And that country was, you know, it was a colonial holdover.

[1211] And so the Bolivarian movement started this pink tide all across Latin America.

[1212] And it was scary.

[1213] It was a giant threat to the U .S. establishment.

[1214] And actually, that's why Telesaur was founded.

[1215] Telesaur, the organization that I used to sell the show to, it was started as kind of a counter to this global hegemony in this corporate narrative trying to overthrow these democratically elected leaders.

[1216] But it's shocking when you see like the Bank of England seized all of this gold that was rightfully Maduro's.

[1217] They seized it illegally.

[1218] All of these these banks and international bodies just stole all this money and they just gave it to these opposition leaders.

[1219] So even though the opposition leaders weren't able to take, you know, take the power back in the country, they still have taken all the money.

[1220] And no one's talking about that.

[1221] And everyone's just acting like this is some crazy dictatorship that needs our saving.

[1222] How dare you?

[1223] Who the fuck do we think we are?

[1224] We're uninformed, right?

[1225] Is that what it is?

[1226] Yeah, you should check out, everyone should check out our Empire Files YouTube channel because we've done extensive coverage on the ground really going into the nuts and bolts of what the economic crisis really is.

[1227] And my partner, Mike Prysner, did this epic takedown of John Oliver.

[1228] You know, the liberal media is just as bad.

[1229] John Oliver did some fucking absurdly false kind of like analysis of the whole Venezuela situation and we just went through and debunked every single line of it.

[1230] I mean, it was extremely disingenuous.

[1231] I bet he had someone who wrote all right, right?

[1232] So I bet he probably has no real knowledge of it, nor could you really, unless you extensively studied it the way you have and especially if you have feet on the ground.

[1233] Right.

[1234] I think that most people, people just in order to understand a complex nuanced problem like some sort of an international conflict that we're involved in that has to do with nationalizing oil like god damn you got to do a lot of work you do you do and if you run in a show like last week tonight or whatever the fuck that show's called you have producers doing everything for you yeah someone else is doing that I mean you you find that with a lot of these so -called online experts when you talk to them one on one and you get them off the record without notes like they're just people well they're There's this guy, this UN human rights investigator named Alfred de Zias that I did this big interview with, and he said he tried to propose this to the UN saying there is no humanitarian crisis there.

[1235] This is all fake.

[1236] Yes, people are suffering and dying, but it's not because of Maduro's policies and corruptions.

[1237] This is because of U .S. sanctions that have exfixated the economy and prevented any sort of recovery from taking place.

[1238] And the economy is still in freefall.

[1239] They can't work with international bodies.

[1240] Again, we have the threats of sanctions with institutions that now work with Venezuela.

[1241] So they've been isolated.

[1242] They've been isolated from the world.

[1243] So is the idea that they just put these sanctions in place, allow this political unrest to take place, support the opposition, and then just have a slow burn until it all collapses?

[1244] And they're coming and swoop in and fix everything and make it a part of the United States government.

[1245] And then these people will not have a voice any longer.

[1246] And another thing that they hate is that Maduro is given two million free homes to people.

[1247] That's something that's completely unheard of to maybe Americans.

[1248] But that's one thing that Juan Wido's said that he would do.

[1249] He immediately implemented a new hydrocarbons law or he was proposing to implement a new hydrocarbons law, which is again, you know, reprivatizing the oil and also just immediately privatizing all of the social services that Maduro and Chavez did.

[1250] So it's, it's pretty shocking what would happen and pretty devastating what would happen if Wido's coup did succeed.

[1251] And the whole Trump administration.

[1252] I mean, it's not just Venezuela.

[1253] It's Nicaragua and Cuba, too.

[1254] I mean, we can't go to Cuba anymore.

[1255] Yeah, it's a new one, right?

[1256] When did that happen?

[1257] Just a couple weeks ago, right?

[1258] What was the purpose?

[1259] I mean, what was the rationalization?

[1260] Because socialism is terrifying, and we can't just let this small island nation just live its life.

[1261] We have to create some genocidal blockade that prevents food and medicine from getting in there, too.

[1262] But what was the, was there a justification?

[1263] Did they say why they were doing this, why they're imposing these new laws?

[1264] No, it's just John Bolton's bizarre speech about the Troika of tyranny.

[1265] Remember the axis of evil?

[1266] Remember that?

[1267] Now it's the Troika of tyranny.

[1268] Nicaragua, Cuban, Venezuela.

[1269] It's like, wait, I thought that we were fighting a war on terrorism.

[1270] We're going off to Nicaragua too?

[1271] Yeah, because of Ortega.

[1272] Yeah, they hate anyone who leans left.

[1273] They want to crush.

[1274] Crush.

[1275] It's pretty fucking nuts.

[1276] What's happened?

[1277] The Cuba one is a weird one, right?

[1278] The Cuba ones.

[1279] what has happened over there nothing there's no they're not yeah they haven't done anything to us the only thing they just did was actually give out free HIV prevention pills and they that's where they fucked up big pharma yeah that's where they fucked up we're not into that yeah no it's the venezuela thing's a mess it's it's so difficult because it's so nuanced but that's you know I encourage everyone to maybe check out venezuela analysis and empire files and telesaur if they want to learn more about that situation have you encountered any demonization of your channel from discussing these complex issues.

[1280] Yes, we have, so we actually stopped monetizing altogether, so we are ad -free, but we would have been demonetized.

[1281] I'm absolutely sure.

[1282] And we also are slapped with age restrictions and sensitive content bans on almost every single video that we put up, whether it be Israel, Palestine, or Venezuela.

[1283] Really?

[1284] And then what would cause you to get an age restriction or a sensitive content?

[1285] Like, is there anything that is like a fairly innocuous video that you guys have put out that I was also got an age.

[1286] Absolutely.

[1287] Like Mike's video about John Oliver was just literally taking clips from John Oliver and then critiquing them and they said that was sensitive content ban.

[1288] It's like, well, what do you mean?

[1289] Why is that sensitive content ban?

[1290] But I think it has to do with - Do you think that's a corporate issue because you're criticizing an HBO show?

[1291] No, no, because it's happened with almost every single one of our videos.

[1292] And so you have to make sure that you're logged in, that you prove your age, just all these different steps and gatekeeping methods to prevent people from getting access to our channel.

[1293] And another crazy thing about it is if you just search like Empire Files, Venezuela, like it will take you a really long time to actually find our work.

[1294] Even if you type in the channel name, Abby Martin and these subjects, it's really difficult to find.

[1295] And they've made that difficult to find on purpose.

[1296] I have no doubt.

[1297] Well, it's also weird, like how they determine what is trending.

[1298] Right.

[1299] You know, because it's not real.

[1300] Like, what is?

[1301] trending is not really what is trending like uh Alex Jones freaked out is like they're they're keeping because the video had got millions and millions of hits like they're they're censoring us from trending I'm like dude I got news for you I've never trended ever really zero oh you know that's fake that's where it's fake yeah right zero times a channel's ridiculous but shouldn't they be building your channel up no some people like it some people over there like it I think it's too fucked up you know I think the like they know what i'm doing like there's not it's not you can't put it in a clear box and there's too much too many comedians on and there's too much weed and people get drunk and they you know they talk crazy shit and it's uncensored i just think i don't it's a very complex thing this sort of but you know it's happening there's you know you know someone has made a choice to never have it trend it's trended zero times how many views we have we have had total you're talking about that one report the guy did that said it was zero times yeah well we have trended but it's been like a very few amount of times like over five years that report was like over a one year period but we haven't trended in years the main channel has an eclipse channel pops up there every so often it's a weird that's not i don't i wouldn't use that now trending page we have only the only one that's up now is ours that turning page isn't a good gauge to mark stuff i don't like well it's not like this is the news of the day kind of page.

[1302] But it does help people, like, see people that are trendy.

[1303] Yeah, my friend, I know that he's your friend too.

[1304] Peter Joseph, who's been on this show before, you know, zeitgeist and the Zykegeist trilogy was like one of the most popular videos online and that was totally fucking censored.

[1305] Yeah.

[1306] 100%.

[1307] Well, you can barely find that anymore.

[1308] This is the issue that people have with Facebook and Google and any of these gigantic online corporations that are deciding what is and isn't popular.

[1309] and using algorithms to steer people in directions.

[1310] You know, one of the more fascinating discussions that's happened over the past few years is this understanding that their algorithms favor people arguing about things.

[1311] Like if you want to have a subject, like say abortion and you put up a, you know, if you're a pro -choice or a pro -life person, you're going to get steered towards things you disagree with so that you engage with them more.

[1312] because that's where the money is.

[1313] The money is in you being upset and engaging.

[1314] I mean, that's where people really get into it.

[1315] So the more you engage, the more profitable it is for Facebook, and the more they encourage that type of behavior.

[1316] So their algorithm actually encourages pissing you off.

[1317] And wants you to stay on YouTube and just go down the rabbit hole every issue.

[1318] Particularly Facebook.

[1319] But with YouTube, that was one of the, that weird New York Times piece, the radicalization of some soft -minded child who got online and was turned into a right -winger and then was subsequently turned into a left winger by another video.

[1320] And they're like, finally, he was saved.

[1321] Like, are he sure?

[1322] I didn't read it.

[1323] Yeah.

[1324] It's nonsense.

[1325] Because it sort of connected a lot of people that aren't even right -wing, including me, with the radicalization of this young man. And they did link some websites that or some YouTube channels that are right, you know, that are right -leaning and even far -right.

[1326] But they also threw in a bunch of other ones that, like Philly D, right, who's not right -wing at all, me and a few other folks.

[1327] Well, that's the algorithm.

[1328] Yeah, exactly.

[1329] You know, the algorithm just takes you down, down, down, down.

[1330] Yeah, but the New York Times article was suggesting that we all were right -wing, because it was a sloppy article.

[1331] It just wasn't really well done.

[1332] But what's interesting is the conclusion, ultimately, he was saved by this by their algorithm.

[1333] Yeah.

[1334] Because it's like their algorithm led him to someone like, yeah, led him to an opposition of that.

[1335] I bet he was like left wing person.

[1336] YouTube employee wrote it or some shit.

[1337] But this idea that this is the thing that drives me crazy.

[1338] Say you believe something, right?

[1339] And then if you go online and you read something else and that something else is contrary to what you believe and you start believing in that something else, somehow or another that's bad.

[1340] this is one of the great arguments against censorship is like you have to figure out what the fuck makes sense the only way to figure out what makes sense is to read all kinds of things to engage with all kinds of content the idea that we're supposed to protect people because we know what's right we know what's correct well who are you let me let me talk to you if you think you know what's correct you're the arbiter of free speech or the arbiter of logical discourse and common sense in this world, let me ask you things.

[1341] Let me talk to you.

[1342] Let me get to the heart of how you feel.

[1343] How do you feel about trans kids transitioning when they're six?

[1344] How do you feel about all sorts of crazy, weird things that have just been propped up as logical and makes sense?

[1345] How do you feel about war?

[1346] How do you feel about abortion?

[1347] How do you feel about ghosts?

[1348] Who are you?

[1349] And you just get to choose whether or not someone lean or information that comes to them leans left or right, I think it's preposterous.

[1350] I just think it's incredibly dangerous because you have to have an unbelievably complex and nuanced perspective in order to be able to dictate what makes or does not make sense.

[1351] And you have to have a lot of information at your disposal.

[1352] You have to have a lot.

[1353] If you're talking about something like Venezuela, let's look at that, for example.

[1354] Look at what you know and then look at what you see.

[1355] see in what you would call progressive left -wing media that, to your knowledge, is incorrect and is basically propaganda points.

[1356] That's being redistributed in this way that is palatable.

[1357] Now, imagine if people decide that you, Abby Martin, are somehow another part of some right -wing conspiracy now, and they're going to censor your voice and censor your, because it doesn't fit in to this narrative that they're, because you need so much information.

[1358] to be able to really understand what's happening in this one part of South America that we're talking about.

[1359] It's so complex.

[1360] Well, they treat us like children and they think that we're not smart enough to actually discern what is information that we need.

[1361] I mean, I want the Russian perspective.

[1362] I want the Venezuelan perspective.

[1363] I want the Chinese perspective because I feel like we're smart enough to really determine our own reality based on all the available information.

[1364] But this is where we're fucked is that we don't have a real.

[1365] liable independent source that's not filled with hyperbole and emotion and and and dunking on people and screaming and insulting and i want someone who can break things down logically and clearly with no ideological bend they you're not leaning left you're not leaning right what where is that and why why doesn't that exist i think it's because it's not necessarily human and and you know people have opinions and they have biases and either they couch those biases in like these think tanks and pretend like they're these unbiased journalists or they just kind of wear it on their sleeve like I do with empire files and media routes which is my you know my news organization that I do with my brother Robbie but I mean we try to lay it out but we also don't hide where we're coming from I almost appreciate that more than than a lot of these journalists so -called journalists who are really kind of stenographers who pretend like they are unbiased and they're like I'm just giving it to you straight and at the end of the day they're really not they're trying to toe align and they're trying to push a certain perspective but it's just not obvious yeah it's just we live in such a strange time where we are overwhelmed with data I mean overwhelmed you you cannot get away from it and there's no way there's not a fucking human alive that understands all of it it is impossible it really is impossible and it's so hard to find out what is true and what what is bullshit right oh my god what you posted about how you can now change people's like you can make a picture talk yes isn't that crazy we're in for a wave a wave of lies i know i was like oh that's what the mona lisa look like cool if she's talking her what's all i like dick it's crazy it's unbelievable i like to do coke and i like to fly planes even though they haven't been invented like you could have the mona lisa say anything it's really disturbing what we're in for what like what's coming buckle up buckle up yeah right imagine the fourth fifth and sixth generation of this technology being utilized by government you know oh my god and then being utilized by someone to sort of i mean you could easily justify assassinations if you can prove that someone's saying something fucked up you kill them and then you release a tape of them saying something fucked up totally this person was trying to overthrow the government sure for sure for sure oh my god just drone strike anyone.

[1366] What I'm hoping is that if you look at what this technology is doing, what technology in general is doing, particularly like information technology, internet, cellular phones and smartphones and all these devices and all the various new incarnations that are coming out, what they seem to be doing is they seem to be creating portals for which information is more quickly accessed.

[1367] It's more and more transparent.

[1368] Like ideas are getting to people quicker.

[1369] There's, and I think this is one of the things that these companies like Google and Facebook and Twitter and also, they're trying to like figure out a way to manage this.

[1370] Like, well, this is just too crazy.

[1371] We have to figure out how to manage information and get people things that they want to see.

[1372] But I think ultimately it's going to fail.

[1373] And I think ultimately as technology, as all these innovations keep coming down the pipe, we're going to get closer and closer to this time where everyone has an instantaneous and equal access to information.

[1374] And I think that when that time does come, lying will be virtually impossible.

[1375] I really do believe that.

[1376] Because I think we're probably a decade away from implementing some sort of a device or an ability to read minds.

[1377] I really believe that.

[1378] That's kind of terrifying.

[1379] I think they're going to develop some sort of technology that allows us to link up together and through some some sort of some new way of communicating that we don't foresee now but if you just look at this trend like what is the trend the trend was oh you go to the library and get a book well now you can get a book online well now you get a book on your phone but now you could have that book read to you on your phone I mean it's all this you know an Australian accent boom boom boom boom boom boom it keeps getting closer and closer to you and I think there's going I mean when Elon Musk he's being very vague about it He won't really discuss what he's doing, but this neural link thing that he's doing that he thinks is going to radically increase bandwidth between human beings and information.

[1380] And he thinks it's going to literally change humanity.

[1381] Wow.

[1382] I don't know what the fuck that means.

[1383] But if he's working on something like that, he's not the only one.

[1384] And if you're wearing some sort of a device that allows you to access information at this radical pace, what the next step would be is to make it so that you can tap into some sort of a universal language.

[1385] And this universal language would not be dependent upon, like, these various languages that we use, where Spanish or Chinese or whatever it is, but some sort of a new language that kids learn.

[1386] And a new language, it's a universal language that's distributed through online platforms.

[1387] And have this all go straight to your fucking brain.

[1388] Wow.

[1389] It's going to happen.

[1390] We're becoming cyborgs in some sort of a weird way.

[1391] And that's the other thing that Elon said.

[1392] We're already cyborg.

[1393] We're just carried around with us.

[1394] That's what your phone is.

[1395] Right.

[1396] We're so dependent upon these devices.

[1397] It just seems to make sense that the general direction that all this is going is becoming more and more invasive and more and more inclusive.

[1398] More and more invasive in terms of the way it's sort of ingrained in your body and becomes a part of your life becomes more and more a part of everyone's life.

[1399] And then more inclusive in terms of more access to this information.

[1400] and more access to thoughts.

[1401] And I just think we're just a few years away from someone making a breakthrough.

[1402] Wow.

[1403] I think in some ways it's probably, oh, Joe Biden says he's going to cure cancer.

[1404] Have I shown you this before?

[1405] This thing is called alter ego where he can talk to it without moving his mouth and it communicates with a computer.

[1406] This is over a year old, so I don't know the developments they've made since then.

[1407] Yeah, I sent this to Elon, and he says it's just a trick.

[1408] He said this is basically like, a trick.

[1409] He said, yeah, this is giving you information, you don't need to talk to it, but he said, what he's doing is far more complex.

[1410] And then I asked him questions, and he went radio silent on me. Yeah, I was just going, this has got to be the first step for that.

[1411] First of all, look at that guy.

[1412] He looks just like a dork wearing that thing.

[1413] What is that?

[1414] It's so big.

[1415] He probably figured out himself.

[1416] Yeah, probably.

[1417] But that looks like some Iron Man type shit.

[1418] He's going to wear a football helmet that does that in the future.

[1419] If I just going one step, this is like, then the next thing they get this on a Bluetooth thing, just touched your ear that like everybody's already been walking around with for the last 25 years.

[1420] he's essentially calculating his groceries as he walks around.

[1421] Yeah, he's just, this is just probably connected to his phone.

[1422] I was just sort of showing you this.

[1423] This is already maybe available and like they're showing this as proof of concept.

[1424] Well, back this up because it was, let's read the narration because it just said something there.

[1425] So without, right there, without any voice or, just go back toward this.

[1426] Okay, leave it right there.

[1427] Without any voice or discernible movements enabling the user to communicate with devices, just let it play.

[1428] So, an AI assistance app, or other people in a silent it's moving too fast yeah yeah so bad video yeah how will the fuck can read that fast I'm reading it pretty yeah it's like okay I need to translate simply by vocalizing their eternally subtop yeah what the hell I can't even get to that all right he's reading faster than me that's insane you need to be wearing one of these devices to tell your brain they're trying to tell you you're stupid you need this so could I play we have a little trailer for the film could I play it really quick sure where's it out check out Empire Files and it's the most recent thing.

[1429] How long have you guys been independent, like ad -free?

[1430] Basically a year.

[1431] Since I came on, right after I came on last year, the sanctions shut down our show, and so we had to do this giant fundraiser, and it was just absolutely very difficult to...

[1432] Yeah, here it is, yep.

[1433] Let's check it out.

[1434] Empire Files, Gaza Fights for Freedom, and this is...

[1435] This is the little trailer for our film that just came out.

[1436] This is our eldest daughter.

[1437] She was my first joy.

[1438] She was killed.

[1439] She's a medic.

[1440] You want to read this?

[1441] First young female, the field volunteer.

[1442] As a girl, she was the first to go to the march encampments.

[1443] And everyone participated.

[1444] I too participated.

[1445] The whole family did.

[1446] My husband, my children, my neighbors, my siblings did too.

[1447] All Palestinians participated.

[1448] Our march is peaceful.

[1449] We do not carry weapons.

[1450] And we go there with our bare chests.

[1451] We stand before a huge force of a fortified army with tanks, gas, and warplanes.

[1452] Our march is peaceful where we ask for our rights.

[1453] I have the right to have a country.

[1454] I have the right to have a home.

[1455] All those refugees have the right to return to their homes.

[1456] So during this protest, is this when these people were shot?

[1457] What we're seeing here?

[1458] Yeah.

[1459] So it's a lot of people who are getting carried out.

[1460] Including little kids.

[1461] Yeah.

[1462] And they're shooting at them.

[1463] And this is...

[1464] Isn't it time yet, she says?

[1465] Everyone around the world is sitting there watching us and they're all comfortable with their lives.

[1466] Here we are under siege.

[1467] We have no borders, no life.

[1468] Where are we supposed to go?

[1469] So this is coming out in a couple of weeks.

[1470] We're fine -tuning it, but we just had a big theatrical release in downtown and it was really cool.

[1471] That's where you saw the Oliver Stone.

[1472] But yeah, it's sick.

[1473] I mean, you texted me that video of the kid, you know, another medic was just shot.

[1474] Yeah, there's something that Balah Muhammad, who's, well, the UFC fighters had on his Instagram, and I texted you that.

[1475] It's, it's so, again, this is another thing.

[1476] It's so difficult to understand what's actually going on.

[1477] There's so many pro -Israel people that put their head in the sand and don't want to look at some of these atrocities and don't want to look at some of the videos that you sent me of soldiers shooting at people that are not doing anything.

[1478] Right.

[1479] I mean, yeah, I mean, their whole argument is that it's all Hamas and their human shields.

[1480] I mean, we looked through hundreds of hours of footage that these people gave us.

[1481] And it's mind -blowing footage.

[1482] It looks absolutely cinematic and epic.

[1483] But the footage is harrowing.

[1484] And I didn't see one weapon.

[1485] I didn't see one militant, not one weapon.

[1486] It was literally people with slingshots throwing rocks at tanks.

[1487] It's kind of a right of passage.

[1488] It's very symbolic.

[1489] They're not trying to hurt anyone.

[1490] No Israeli soldiers have been hurt.

[1491] Or killed, you know, during 2018, which is what the film looks at is through 2018 of the Great March of Return.

[1492] And there's not any weapons.

[1493] There's no militants.

[1494] Hamas has nothing to do with the march.

[1495] And it's just shocking.

[1496] I mean, it's shocking how many war crimes were committed on camera.

[1497] And it's just amazing the propaganda that's just told to us about what this is and why they have the right to kill people that pose no threat to them.

[1498] You were on last time when you talked about this, one of my email accounts was flooded with literally a chain letter, at the same letter, like denouncing you and your lies and your anti -Semitic perspective and your anti -Israeli's perspective.

[1499] It was weird because it was the same email.

[1500] Astro -Turfed, yeah, it was fake.

[1501] Yeah.

[1502] You know, that's a campaign.

[1503] You know that that has a lot of money behind it.

[1504] Yeah.

[1505] There's a lot of money behind that.

[1506] I mean, the film is mind -blowing.

[1507] Go to Gaza Fights for Freedom .com if you want to check it out when it gets released.

[1508] And it's just really incontrovertible, Joe.

[1509] I mean, there, you know, even if it were a war between armies, all of these things that Israel has done are still documented war crimes and very grievous violations of international law.

[1510] And we're talking about direct targeting and assassinations by Israeli snipers of disabled people of children, press and medics.

[1511] And that's who Rizan was.

[1512] She was a medic.

[1513] And as you mentioned, another medic just passed away, was killed, rather.

[1514] I hate to use the passive voice because you always hear Palestinians died.

[1515] No, they were murdered.

[1516] They're all being murdered by snipers.

[1517] And they pose no threat to them.

[1518] And so the film looks at this UN investigation basically during the March in 2018 and documents all of the grievous crimes and atrocities conducted by the Israeli military.

[1519] And I mean, you know, Palestine has a right to defend itself.

[1520] And this isn't even what that is.

[1521] But if you look at the UN charter of 1978, they say that, you know, occupied peoples and besieged peoples have the right actually for armed self -defense.

[1522] And the fact that this is not even what that is, that there's literally people going out there in peace with their bared chests, holding flags, and they're getting killed and sniped.

[1523] There's so many amputations.

[1524] I mean, just in 2018 alone, there was 35 kids who were killed.

[1525] 900 shot.

[1526] Yeah, that's children.

[1527] And, you know, some of these stories are harrowing.

[1528] A kid hiding behind a trash can who was sniped, a kid who went up to the fence and just put a Palestinian flag, and she was shot in the head and died instantly.

[1529] It just, it goes on and on and on.

[1530] And so, you know, we're just trying to document this to really kind of push the needle for accountability, because these laws have been agreed upon by the international community, some of them 100 years ago.

[1531] and to have kind of a rogue state acting with complete impunity knowing that it has total protection from the U .S. Empire and given more freedom than ever under Trump with this Golan Heights thing and the moving of the Jerusalem embassy or the moving of the embassy to Jerusalem.

[1532] I mean, it's just, it's abysmal and it needs to be stopped.

[1533] And, you know, they can't control the narrative any longer because we're seeing this with our own eyes.

[1534] And that's what this film does is really lays it all out.

[1535] Abby, you concentrate and focus on so many different fucked up parts of the world.

[1536] But you're so, you're very friendly and upbeat.

[1537] Like, see, like you're laughing at this.

[1538] How do you manage to maintain your sanity?

[1539] Because I, I have a hard time if I just watch one of your pieces.

[1540] Right.

[1541] I watch one of your clips and I just go, what the fuck?

[1542] And I just want to cry and I don't know what to do.

[1543] And I want to hug my kids.

[1544] But you're in this, you're in the trenches every day.

[1545] and you go to these places all the time.

[1546] How do you do it?

[1547] Well, I think that, well, first of all, I go and camp a lot.

[1548] I get into nature a lot, which is also kind of depressing, knowing that, you know, climate change and blah, blah, blah.

[1549] But I try to get out and see the beauty of the world and understand my privilege, especially as an American citizen, because I don't have, we can't afford to not be aware, and we can't afford to not be educated in talking about these issues, especially when our government is subsidizing this around the world, $10 million every day with our tax dollars.

[1550] You know, I mean, this is going on, and it's so close to home.

[1551] And we have to acknowledge our privilege and acknowledge the situation, which is we have agency.

[1552] We have agency to lobby our government to change this and to stop these criminal acts.

[1553] But do you ever feel that it's almost like you're absorbing too?

[1554] much because you are looking at all the problems of all the people seven plus billion around the world and all these different horrific injustices.

[1555] I try to focus on what I can do and what I can do is challenge my own government.

[1556] And as an American citizen living in this society, I think that the U .S. Empire and the Pentagon is the source of a lot of problems around the world.

[1557] I look at the world as complex.

[1558] I mean, you have to understand the issues that are going on, especially with foreign policy in terms of the colonized and colonizers, the oppressed and oppressors, and the U .S .'s role as well as other previous empire's role in shaping the world as it is today.

[1559] And a lot of the problems that have arisen are because directly U .S. foreign policy, whether it be the global war on terrorism, whether it be terrorism in general.

[1560] I mean, that drone strikes basically cause terrorism.

[1561] Whether it be the environmental crises, the Pentagon is actually the largest polluter in the world more than 140 countries.

[1562] that's essentially every country in the world almost, a bigger polluter than the top four chemical companies combined.

[1563] So it all kind of stems back from this notion that, you know, the U .S. is the world's largest empire that's ever existed.

[1564] And it needs to be stopped to save humanity.

[1565] And so as an American citizen, I look at all of the problems and I understand that there is like a very common root.

[1566] And I can do something about this common root.

[1567] And if you're looking at domestic problems, the lack of health care, the lack of education.

[1568] I mean, Martin Luther King called it decades ago.

[1569] He says, you know, a nation that spends more and more on military spending is facing social death.

[1570] I probably butchered his quote, but that's essentially the spiritual death.

[1571] I think is what he said.

[1572] But I mean, that's exactly what's happening is when we're squandering all of our money bolstering up this huge global empire.

[1573] We're not taking care of our people at home, our brothers and sisters at home.

[1574] My empathy extends as an internationalist all around the world.

[1575] I, you know, I feel for my brothers and sisters in Palestine, Yemen, everywhere.

[1576] But I can only do what I can do based on what my government is doing.

[1577] And, you know, it's doing a lot.

[1578] It's doing a lot of horrible things.

[1579] And it's time for us to really acknowledge what those horrible things are because we need to reinvigorate an anti -war movement in this country.

[1580] And when you're saying that drone strikes create terrorism.

[1581] What you're really saying is that, well, what people, if they don't understand, drone strikes primarily kill civilians.

[1582] Right.

[1583] 98%.

[1584] Yeah.

[1585] It's a really crazy number.

[1586] And it's this very strange, sanitized way of handling an issue where if you had a person and you had some Rambo character, you send them overseas, you said, hey, I want you to go get this ISIS terrorist and in the process kill everybody the fuck that you see.

[1587] Everybody that's in front of them.

[1588] That person would be a war criminal.

[1589] Right.

[1590] If you had a guy and he knew that some ISIS guy was in an apartment building, so he just started gunning down men, women, and children in that apartment building until you got to the terrorist, that guy would go to jail.

[1591] But if you do it with a remote control and you launch hellfire missiles out of a drone and it blows up the apartment building and kills all these innocent people but also gets the terrorist, it's mission accomplished.

[1592] And it's crazy.

[1593] It's crazy that we're signing off on that.

[1594] Right.

[1595] What gives us the right to kill people?

[1596] It's a thing because we're not there where there's this weird sort of a, just a, there's a bridge that we're allowed to cross into this really sickening act.

[1597] It's a very, when you have anything that's ineffective to the point where most of the people it kills are good people, or at least our innocent people, we should say.

[1598] that's crazy i mean this is not saying that there's not terrorism it's not saying there's not horrible people in iceland there is absolutely right you look i'm a pro -military person i think we need military and i think just like the same i need we need cops but to deny that cops sometimes are bad is fucking crazy to not to deny that sometimes when you allow the military industrial complex to do things like have drones that launch missiles into wedding parties because you think one of the people might be a terrorist and are often incorrect, often to the tune of 90 plus percent.

[1599] Yeah.

[1600] It's crazy.

[1601] And you look at, you know, the last 10 years, you look at some of these terrorists who have conducted terrorist acts.

[1602] You look at actually what their intention was.

[1603] And a lot of them, the vast majority, literally cite U .S. foreign policy.

[1604] Revenge.

[1605] U .S. foreign policy.

[1606] I mean, every time you kill 98 percent innocent people, whoever survives, if you lost your whole family in that.

[1607] You have an incredible amount of motivation to get back at whoever did it.

[1608] Right.

[1609] And that whoever did it is the United States.

[1610] We need to stop normalizing this.

[1611] And, you know, militarily speaking, Trump actually, you know, it's not just Trump.

[1612] I mean, this is a bipartisan effort throughout the entire Congress.

[1613] If there's one thing Congress can agree upon, it's to make nonviolent BDS efforts against Israel legal and also to just keep ramping up the military and egging on whoever is sitting in the Oval Office to be more militaristic.

[1614] And that's exactly what's happened with Trump in a bizarre way.

[1615] I mean, Congress approved like a seven, a near trillion dollar defense budget.

[1616] And the increase alone in the last year was basically Russia's entire military budget, more than Russia's entire military budget.

[1617] That's how much the shit's ramping up.

[1618] And then you have the space force.

[1619] I mean, it's just like, how far is this going to go?

[1620] The society's collapsing.

[1621] If you looked at, the argument against this you would say we need this in order to keep people safe here that would be the argument against it my question would be what are we what threat is there ISIS when has ISIS ever done anything here other than I mean there was like a truck I mean come on we already know the statistics on terrorism in this country and they're very low right I mean you're you're basically more likely to die from like furniture falling on you or short apartment yeah yeah and the whole ISIS thing I mean as we know ISIS arose out of US foreign policy the failed state in Libya the Iraq war that's still criminally ongoing I mean Trump announced this indefinite extension of the criminal occupation of Iraq it's just crazy how normalized this is you know far longer than Vietnam we're in Afghanistan fatalities at all time high all of these things are a direct result of U .S. foreign policy.

[1622] And look at the refugee crisis.

[1623] Look at immigration, the Honduras coup.

[1624] All of this shit's connected.

[1625] And that's what we need to start like expanding our consciousness and our empathy worldwide to understand all of these things are linked and the struggle is all linked.

[1626] And our world is shrinking really rapidly.

[1627] What candidate speaks in this way?

[1628] Like what candidate do you think understands and recognizes all these things that you're talking about?

[1629] I mean, Mike Ravel is the only one.

[1630] who's like, we need to end the U .S. Empire.

[1631] Bernie and Tulsi.

[1632] Mike Ravel was, he was the guy who basically read the Pentagon papers into record.

[1633] He's a good guy.

[1634] He has, yeah, yeah, he has like this online campaign that's really awesome.

[1635] But, I mean, Tulsi's speaking a lot about regime change wars, which is extremely important, but she still believes in drone strikes.

[1636] She basically has a little bit of Obama's foreign policy that I don't agree with that fundamental understanding.

[1637] Did she believe in limited drone strikes?

[1638] like maybe if there's an ISIS camp somewhere.

[1639] I mean, I can't believe that she believes in some sort of just broad brush use of it.

[1640] I haven't looked into the nuances of that, but I do think that no one is saying what I want them to about U .S. Empire, about, you know, scaling back the U .S. Empire and stopping all of the civil society movements because it's not just about invasions anymore.

[1641] It's about, you know, usurping the democratic processes of all of these countries.

[1642] like what we've done in Venezuela, what we're doing all around the world to try to foment unrest.

[1643] All of this needs to be stopped.

[1644] Do you foresee a time where our dependence on foreign oil is radically reduced to the point where it doesn't justify these regime change wars?

[1645] And our dependence on these resources that these people have, I mean, this is almost every conflict in the world you can boil down to the acquisition of resources.

[1646] Right.

[1647] And also the protection of capital.

[1648] and that's like what a lot is what a lot of it is now is actually just capital interests needing to expand and grow and continuing to up and increase the profit structure of these corporations and that's exactly why we've seen imperialism you know kind of go out of control in the way that it has I don't know I mean I thought that we were more independent oil wise I don't think it's good I think that climate change yeah I think that climate and it hasn't stopped you know it hasn't stopped.

[1649] You know it hasn't stopped.

[1650] the imperialist misadventures of the U .S. government.

[1651] So I think there just needs to be a really big shift in consciousness and people to stop thinking that it's our right and that we have, you know, the right and the duty to do this around the world.

[1652] It doesn't give us the right.

[1653] We don't have, it's not right, man. It's really not.

[1654] And we need to really reinvigorate the masses here because, again, society is collapsing.

[1655] That's pretty fucking obvious.

[1656] Well, if it's not obvious, what is obvious is that we're not evolving in terms of if we're still involved in drone strikes that kill 98 % of people, if we're still involved in regime change wars, we're still involved in these unnecessary military actions against Iran, these things that people are freaking out about.

[1657] This is all the same kind of shit that people have been fighting against forever, that we don't want our brothers and sons.

[1658] sisters and husbands and wives to die for nonsense.

[1659] We don't want them to die for some people that live in these air -conditioned rooms that are making billions of dollars that are profiting off of the actions of these noble people who think that they're doing it to protect America.

[1660] I mean, this is the narrative that they're being served.

[1661] This is what they're being told.

[1662] And when they're going to these places they're not going to those places to act as evil as to as the the boots of some empire they're going over there because they think they're protecting freedom they think they're protecting their family and their loved ones back home that's why they're doing it if we're still doing that we're not evolving well i mean that's what's so scary about the iran thing because the people who are surrounding iran and being directed to go out there they're the ones who are going to be the sacrificial lands for these defense contractors and i i don't think that you can argue anymore that this is for freedom.

[1663] I mean, how can you?

[1664] What threat does Iran pose to the United States?

[1665] It's a tough sell.

[1666] I don't understand what threat they serve either.

[1667] And what benefit would it be for them to start some shit with us?

[1668] And that is the craziest idea ever.

[1669] I mean, it's like my, you know, a nine -year -old kid trying to pick a fight with Mike Tyson.

[1670] It's fucking crazy.

[1671] It doesn't make any sense.

[1672] Like, what are you trying to do?

[1673] Trying to get killed?

[1674] I mean, inevitably, we're trying to get to the global confrontation with China and Russia, I guess.

[1675] I mean, that's, it's scary to think that we only have a couple independent states left to knock down to be under complete subjugation from the U .S. military and global capitalism.

[1676] It's pretty nuts.

[1677] Well, not only that, even if we do move into some sort of a, some sort of a situation where we're in control, then we're a bigger target and with the amount of nuclear weapons that are possessed by these countries that were I mean just what North Korea has just this one small fucked up country could ruin life on earth just this one country and forget about Russia we could literally annihilate each other right that's that's a possibility right I mean if if someone chose to to launch an attack.

[1678] If they decided that they have the justification to launch an attack and then all of a sudden we're in a real war.

[1679] Yeah.

[1680] Like a fucking war war where people are invading us.

[1681] Yeah.

[1682] Shits get knocked down, buildings and bombs blow up.

[1683] I mean, over what?

[1684] This can't be avoided?

[1685] This is the only way?

[1686] The only way is missiles and bombs?

[1687] Like you said, we're not evolving or devolving.

[1688] I mean, it's unbelievable.

[1689] We have the capacity to provide for everyone.

[1690] we have the capacity to cooperate to innovate and we're stuck we're stuck dehumanizing the other we're stuck with this mass conditioning to basically perpetuate these these injustices and uh it's really a shame i mean we have all the information at our fingertips but we still keep reverting back to what's the myths the myths that underpin our society these conversations i have with you are so depressing because it's always i always leave going what the fuck what what can you be done.

[1691] What can we do?

[1692] Where does it end?

[1693] Where does it go?

[1694] You know, these are, these are the big questions.

[1695] And then also, what we discussed before, it's impossible for anyone to really have a deep nuanced understanding of all these different issues.

[1696] Right.

[1697] Right.

[1698] I mean, I think focusing on what you can do, we can only do what we can do.

[1699] Right.

[1700] And you have to understand that, you know, you can't get debilitated or disillusion with, you know, the influx of information or just the complete, you know, the heaviness of it all.

[1701] You just have to do what you can do.

[1702] You're doing what you can do.

[1703] You have me on to help spread awareness about these issues.

[1704] And that's what you can do.

[1705] And you're about to get, you're about to get spammed with a lot of Hasbara.

[1706] They don't have my real email.

[1707] It's okay.

[1708] But that's what we can do, Joe.

[1709] And you just have to live your life and provide for your kids and love what you have.

[1710] And but also just understand your place, you know, and just extend the empathy that you can and just, yeah, I mean, it's hard because I don't have the answer.

[1711] All I know is what's needed.

[1712] And what's needed is we need a movement of the masses.

[1713] It's not going to come from the top down.

[1714] It's going to come from a grassroots mobilized effort to try to change these policies.

[1715] That's the only way things have ever changed in the past.

[1716] And I absolutely have hope and optimism that we're going to change things and that we're going to correct this horrible path that we're on.

[1717] Do you think that the 2020 elections can have a real significant impact of any of this?

[1718] Do you think that whoever gets into office can really have an effect on the kind of policies that we're talking about with the kind of influence of the military industrial complex, of all these lobbyists, of Wall Street, all these monstrous machines that this pure good old fashion democracy can actually step in and turn this ship away from the rocks.

[1719] Bernie, I really do think that he's one of our last chances, not because I think that he's going to completely do some revolutionary upheaval from the top down.

[1720] As we know, Congress is stacked with a lot of terrible people who will block a lot of these efforts.

[1721] But I think that he's going to mobilize the masses and reinvigorate the labor movement and reinvigorate unions and help workers understand that they need to fight for these rights that have been eviscerated, you know, over the last hundred years.

[1722] One thing that does inspire me as well is seeing people like Elon Omar.

[1723] You know, she is incredible.

[1724] She's a Somali refugee.

[1725] She advocates BDS against Israel and she does not fucking back down.

[1726] I love that woman.

[1727] What an incredible woman.

[1728] She got viciously attacked for retweeting one of my episodes from Empire Files.

[1729] And I think it just shows how scared people are of her and her ideas and you saw how hard everyone came down on her for just saying that Israel has an influential lobby in D .C. Yeah.

[1730] Well, she's also wearing religious garbs, so people are scared of that right away, the hijab, and then there was something, some hit piece on her yesterday.

[1731] They're saying they think she married a brother.

[1732] Oh, that's ridiculous.

[1733] Yeah, they think to get into this country that she had a religious marriage, but then she had another, yeah, I don't She's the only one in Congress other than Plahib and, of course, AOC and, you know, some other very few people, but she's out there every day speaking against the military industrial complex, speaking against the wars.

[1734] I think as a refugee, she understands the effects of U .S. policy.

[1735] And I'm really excited that she has a voice in there.

[1736] But again, I don't think that the hope is going to come from within Congress.

[1737] And the system is way too far gone with the electoral college and the gerrymandering and the voter rights, you know, that have been rescinded.

[1738] It's a lot and it's an uphill battle.

[1739] But that's why someone like Bernie, I think, will turn to the people and say, I can't do this alone.

[1740] You have to come out and get my back and we have to have millions of people in the streets demanding these things.

[1741] That's the only way it's going to work.

[1742] All right, Abby.

[1743] You freaked me out.

[1744] Thank God.

[1745] Andrew Santino is going on later, and we're going to get high and talk shit.

[1746] Get high.

[1747] Good high.

[1748] Check out.

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