41 - Live from EW Popfest

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only Martyrs in the Building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Welcome to Day 2 of EW's Pop Fest.

[17] You guys having a good time so far.

[18] Good.

[19] I hope you guys have been having fun at the other events, and there's still more to come tonight.

[20] But I'm so excited to welcome this next show because it's actually my personal favorite, favorite show.

[21] And I'm hoping there's a lot of murderitos in the crowd because I am one.

[22] All right.

[23] So without further ado, I am so pleased to welcome my favorite murder with Georgia Hardstock and Karen Kilgirth.

[24] This is our stage show.

[25] Karen's going to...

[26] I'm going to do a song by Jojo right now.

[27] I know you wish you could be outside watching her and supporting her.

[28] Was that really Jojo?

[29] Yes, it was.

[30] I thought you were kidding.

[31] I never joke about Jojo.

[32] I can't.

[33] I thought it was like, that's Jojo.

[34] No. I don't know who anyone is.

[35] You guys are so cute, all of you.

[36] Hi!

[37] Like all hurt.

[38] Did you have to wait in a line and stuff for this?

[39] That's so important.

[40] We're super into that.

[41] That we should have made them wait longer.

[42] I mean, I do have to pee, but whatever.

[43] Do not do it.

[44] They're like, ha, ha, no, start it now.

[45] She's crying.

[46] Hurry up and start.

[47] This is really freaking rat.

[48] Guys, this is weird because we never sit in chairs like this.

[49] We're not used to being directors of any kind.

[50] Very bright.

[51] It's bright.

[52] It's cold.

[53] Is it cold?

[54] Are we in Antarctica or something?

[55] I'm sweating.

[56] No, I'm sweating.

[57] Are you really?

[58] Have you noticed that this entire day that's like raining?

[59] I haven't had a jacket on.

[60] I have noticed why I didn't want to criticize you.

[61] Criticize me. I'm fucking, I'm always hot.

[62] What's your deal?

[63] Hold on a second before the murders.

[64] Georgia, what's your medical problem?

[65] You know, I mean, where do we start?

[66] Right.

[67] I mean.

[68] Let's start with sciatica and end with chronic anxiety.

[69] for fun.

[70] Is Stephen here?

[71] Yay!

[72] He's blushing.

[73] Look at him.

[74] Touch him.

[75] Try to grab his mustache.

[76] Is Elvis here?

[77] Someone do the meow.

[78] It would be really fun.

[79] It would be worried if he came walking up this aisle.

[80] How did you...

[81] Whenever Vince and I were out and we say the word cookie, it's always like, is he going to come out here?

[82] Yeah, that'd be funny.

[83] I was going to put cross -eyed on this, cross -eyed on this cat shirt that I'm wearing, but I didn't.

[84] I'm not even...

[85] I just didn't.

[86] just didn't.

[87] Too sick.

[88] So I'm supposed to breathe into the microphone all the time?

[89] Yeah, definitely exit.

[90] That's what Jojo does.

[91] She sings a line.

[92] She inhales, and then it's just a big sigh of how hard show business is.

[93] Oh, this is rough.

[94] You guys.

[95] Oh, God.

[96] We're honored to be here.

[97] If you're not sure if you wandered in and you're from Denmark, this is the podcast, my favorite murder.

[98] Where we, Georgia Hardstock and I, Karen Kilgariff, talk about.

[99] But our favorite murders tell each other, true crime stories that we like.

[100] We don't necessarily, say, research them 100 % or we're not trying to be experts of any kind.

[101] Most people that are into this stuff really are experts.

[102] God bless their souls, they let us know when we fall down.

[103] They sure do.

[104] They sure, sure do.

[105] But listen, if you're here to have a good time, then you've come to a place.

[106] You've come to a really cold, bright place.

[107] You might be dead.

[108] which is thematically appropriate.

[109] Do you ever wonder that when you start walking?

[110] Like I was walking up here and I'm like, this can't be real.

[111] I'm probably dead.

[112] Again, chronic anxiety.

[113] Possible.

[114] Although it would be a huge relief.

[115] Then I couldn't do anything wrong.

[116] Do you ever get into a situation and you're like, what's the most embarrassing thing I could do right now and like get scared that you're going to do it?

[117] For sure.

[118] What's yours right now?

[119] Well, we were just back, no brag.

[120] We were just back in the, I like to call it the Heineken Lounge.

[121] It's where they keep, it's like the green room where they keep.

[122] talent before they go and do their panels.

[123] So we don't have to talk to anyone.

[124] So we kind of stood there with our purses on our shoulders super uncomfortable like.

[125] And my thing in that situation is like, uh, you think you know somebody.

[126] So you're like, hey.

[127] Oh my God.

[128] It's not them.

[129] Like that in the Heineken lounge would have been death.

[130] My thing is they, they then don't know who I am, that I've met them a hundred.

[131] Like it just happened actually when I was like, hey.

[132] And then I had to go Georgia.

[133] Like, yeah.

[134] Because I saw the look on her face.

[135] Yeah.

[136] And I was like, oh God, I've been there but we've met like 17 times you should maybe know who I am.

[137] Yeah but nobody does that's just part of it.

[138] I'm not special.

[139] No and I'm not either.

[140] Listen if you're not special neither am I but then when someone does see you and gets this like like Aaron Gibson from throwing shade I will be up here pretty soon.

[141] She saw me and like opened her arms and her face lit up and I was like thank you so much like her oh my God she was wearing a lot of eye shadow though so maybe it was just she thought I was someone else.

[142] It was just covering her she was wearing a lot of eye shout in her eyeballs.

[143] Once she wiped her irises away, she was like, oh, I don't know you.

[144] That's not Liza Manelli.

[145] Who the fuck is that?

[146] Bye.

[147] Her and Brian Safi, thank fucking God.

[148] We're like, hi.

[149] We're very kind to me. Yeah.

[150] No, you were okay.

[151] Thank you.

[152] I get scared.

[153] It's a lot of funny comedians.

[154] You told me that you had news about your dad, but you wanted to save it until we were doing this.

[155] I did.

[156] And I wrote Dad and RV.

[157] And here's the reason.

[158] Okay.

[159] So, okay, we're doing the Chicago podcast.

[160] festival soon.

[161] And I'm big -timing and bringing my mom and her boyfriend along because they never go on trips.

[162] And it's like, that's not a thing of, they do.

[163] And I have a lot of miles from our credit card from our wedding.

[164] I honestly thought you're going to say, have a lot of money.

[165] No. Which would have been so baller awesome.

[166] I don't.

[167] I have a lot of miles from the credit card I opened and the debt I racked up to pay for my wedding.

[168] God bless America.

[169] So I'm bringing them to Chicago.

[170] Like, they're staying in our hotel room.

[171] It's not, I'm not like big -timing it that much.

[172] You started the story by saying you were big -timing.

[173] And big -timing them by bringing them so they can see that I, that there's a 900 -seat theater and then they'll love me more.

[174] Oh, great.

[175] You know what I mean?

[176] Good.

[177] What a great Christmas this is going to be.

[178] We're Jewish.

[179] It doesn't matter.

[180] Oh, that's right.

[181] Um, shoot.

[182] So then I, so then I had to tell my dad that I'm bringing my mom and her boyfriend to the city he was born in.

[183] I know.

[184] Now, they're divorced, right?

[185] Oh, wait.

[186] That would be weird, too.

[187] That would have been awful.

[188] He also didn't know about the boyfriend.

[189] Or that his marriage had ended.

[190] Yeah.

[191] Like 25 years ago.

[192] So I had to tell him that and I was like, but you just went to Chicago, right?

[193] So it's okay.

[194] And I was like, no. I thought he had just gone.

[195] So I wasn't going to bring him.

[196] And now it's like, okay.

[197] So then he said, all right, well, do me a favor.

[198] If you go to Las Vegas or New York, I want to come.

[199] So bring him if we go there.

[200] Okay.

[201] He's a real party animal.

[202] Nice.

[203] And then he said, and, you know, when you get really up there, it's just like a small, nice RV.

[204] trailer he requested something for if we ever get rich like an a small nice RV let's see those don't exist Marty I hate to be the one to tell you it has to be three city blocks long yeah he got like he got he put a fucking thing in there and my sister was there so there's like a witness that I said yes yeah no you're dead I know the funny thing is it's already on the list when I like daydream about how I'm going to take care of my parents have I ever you know, with a lottery.

[205] I mean, an RV's not too bad.

[206] No. That's all he wants.

[207] So I...

[208] Well, in a stark contrast, um, I found out that my dad has listened to this podcast, which is my fear because my dad, who it talks like a foul mouse sailor, any time I say, even like shit or something in passing as an over 40 woman, he's always like, hey, watch it.

[209] Like, gets really mad.

[210] And of course, on this one, we like, we like celebrate the word fuck.

[211] Like, we say it as if our lot.

[212] depend on it.

[213] And I that would infuriate him like crazy.

[214] So I've never told him how to find it or what I'm always like real vague about the name when he asks about it.

[215] And it's called the fuckword murder mystery.

[216] That's right.

[217] That's right.

[218] So my sister texted me and said, dad found out we're going, because my sister and two of our childhood friends are also going to Chicago.

[219] We're just making it like a weird, clanny event.

[220] my sister and Adrian and Audrey are all going because they love drinking in Chicago that's like the main reason that's when my mom is going to.

[221] Yeah so it's going to be they're going to have a great time but my dad found out that they're all going because he told my sister he tried to listen to the podcast and when my sister said what do you mean you try to and he goes they talk too much that's what if a podcast was just not talking the whole time just like stony silence like we're in a fight, just like the silent treatment is our new podcast.

[222] Yeah.

[223] So if you ever want to be a stand -up comedian, you just need parents who truly are not fans of yours.

[224] That's, I would say that's step one.

[225] My parents and my grandma, who was like 104 years old at the time, like, gathered together to watch the episode of drunk history I was on.

[226] And like, they loved it and were supportive.

[227] Like, my family, they don't give a fuck.

[228] It's not a good time for you to tell me the story right now.

[229] It's not, it's not idea.

[230] My family loves me so much.

[231] Have a great Hanukkah or whatever.

[232] He just wants to picture you as like the sweet baby angel that he thinks she was, think she is?

[233] And I had too many of these plastic cups of wine.

[234] Look at that.

[235] How cute is this?

[236] How cute is this?

[237] How cute is this?

[238] It's plastic.

[239] It's like getting that fucking green room, y 'all.

[240] I put one in my purse.

[241] Green room egg.

[242] Is it plastic?

[243] It's totally plastic.

[244] So you can bring it to a park.

[245] Incredibly.

[246] Incredibly hometown.

[247] And my family.

[248] family knows I'm a fucking lanitic.

[249] They're just glad I'm alive.

[250] That's the only thing.

[251] I am too.

[252] Thank you.

[253] Um, all right.

[254] Should we get into this?

[255] Oh, by the way, this is for some reason, as I was leaving my house, I didn't want to bend my papers.

[256] And so I picked up the Mystic Places time life series book that Stephen got us.

[257] I don't know if I heard about that.

[258] It was a, we talked about in the last podcast.

[259] And so just to prove that we are not liars and we don't lie about gifts or things that Stephen gives us or anything Steven's involved in.

[260] Except you didn't tell me, and I didn't bring mine, so I might be a liar.

[261] Oh, that's right.

[262] That's a cliffhanger you have to find out on that.

[263] All right.

[264] Okay, so let's tell everyone our thoughts behind all this.

[265] Oh, okay.

[266] So, since we are at the E .W. Popfest, what is this?

[267] Where are?

[268] The Entertainment Weekly Popfest, we thought.

[269] We thought it would be cool to do entertainment murders.

[270] Yeah.

[271] Entertainment -based murders?

[272] I got a lot of murmurs.

[273] I knew it would.

[274] I knew they'd murmur.

[275] You were good.

[276] So, you want to go first this week?

[277] I think I'm first.

[278] I want to be first because I'm scared we got the same one.

[279] And then we're going to, and then you can go yours.

[280] Yes.

[281] No, I mean, jump right in if we did.

[282] Okay.

[283] Does the person that the story revolves around, does her name start with Lana?

[284] No. Oh, good.

[285] Okay.

[286] Lana Turner.

[287] Everyone knows her and loves her.

[288] The way I said that was like, you're going to get an applause break.

[289] Lana Turner, motherfucker.

[290] I realized as, thank you.

[291] As I realized, I said that maybe nobody here knows who that is.

[292] They're under 30.

[293] So it was a possibility.

[294] She was born in 1921, so it was a long time ago.

[295] She was this like film noir actress, like hot blonde, like bombshell chick who was like a leading actress in like crazy dark films, right?

[296] Like noir film?

[297] Like noir films.

[298] But you were translating it from the French into just dark for the American, for this American.

[299] Film noir means dark as fuck.

[300] She was discovered in 1937, and this is like probably bullshit, right?

[301] But like the story is that she was sipping a Coke at the counter at the top hat cafe on Sunset Boulevard and the founder of the Hollywood Reporter, which I just realized might be competition with Entertainment Weekly.

[302] You can't say that name.

[303] It's like giving us the cutoff sign.

[304] Just goes dark in here and then when it lights come up, we're gone.

[305] It's super hot all of a sudden.

[306] So, I mean, come on, is that true?

[307] She's eating a second little sandwich.

[308] No, those are all lies.

[309] That's all public as shit.

[310] She was like, I don't want to get gross.

[311] Or do I?

[312] Okay, so she was 16, apparently, signed of a contract at Warner Brothers, and then she became an ingenue.

[313] Do you guys hear that loud music through the wall?

[314] No, it's just you.

[315] Oh.

[316] Okay, blonde bombshell, leading actress, reputation is a glamorous, femme fatale.

[317] Fetal.

[318] Thank you.

[319] No, I wasn't correcting you.

[320] No, but you were right.

[321] She was not made for an Academy Award in 1957 for Payton Place.

[322] What I'm saying is big time.

[323] You know what I mean?

[324] Like gorgeous big time.

[325] While she kicked ass at her career, I wrote, she sucked at relationships.

[326] Oh, no. I know.

[327] Haven't we all been there?

[328] Lady.

[329] She dated a lot, changed partners often, and never shied away from the topic of how many lovers she'd had in her lifetime.

[330] And then I wrote, which is fine for men.

[331] but if a woman does it, it makes everyone uncomfortable.

[332] Fucking slut.

[333] Bullshit.

[334] Fuck the page, you know.

[335] And then she said, I kind of want to make you read her voice.

[336] Let's do it.

[337] Are you good?

[338] Okay.

[339] So it's right here, in quotes.

[340] All those years that my image on the screen as sex goddess.

[341] Well, that makes me laugh.

[342] Sex was never important to me. I'm sorry if that disappoints you, but it's true.

[343] Romance, yes, romance was very important.

[344] But I never liked being rushed into bed, and I never allowed it.

[345] I would put it off as long as I could, and I gave in only when I was in love or thought I was.

[346] Which, again, I know.

[347] Take a home.

[348] And I actually put a lot of quotes in this, just so you, so I could do acting?

[349] I should have had you prep your voice before.

[350] What if I get discovered at E .W. Pop Fest?

[351] Oh, my God.

[352] So you imagine eating a tuna fish sandwich at the counter.

[353] See, you can do the voice.

[354] Thank you.

[355] which again is bullshit she fucked immediately probably and then dated them and it's fine it's fine to fuck immediately you get to do what you want is the idea like she she can be like I'd like to screw but only when I like if I if I have to romance if I never allow it allow it it it's fine that was my diadred she's dead it doesn't matter you just ruin my story spoiler alert fuck spoiler alert she gets murdered at the end of this oh she doesn't is that disappointing?

[356] Oh, does she murder someone?

[357] No. Do you don't know the story?

[358] No. I'm excited.

[359] Okay, great.

[360] I'm glad.

[361] All right.

[362] 1942, marries her second husband, actor, and restaurateur, Joseph Stephen Crane.

[363] They have a daughter, ended up being her only kid, Cheryl Crane in 1943, then they divorced in 44.

[364] And then I wrote, okay, now this story gets dark.

[365] Great.

[366] Are you ready for this?

[367] Yes.

[368] Her fourth husband was actor Lex Barker, and she married him in 1953.

[369] And then in Cheryl's memoir, detour, a Hollywood story, which came out way later, Cheryl Crane claims that Barker, the husband, repeatedly molested and raped her.

[370] Bad news.

[371] Saying that at age 10, he lured her into the sauna, which sounds like a nightmare to begin with.

[372] That's horrible.

[373] Like with your stepdad and a fucking sauna.

[374] Just kind of sonnas anyway, because have you ever gone to like the one at Burke Williams and then the door closes and you're like, what if it locks forever?

[375] separate from a creep being in there with you.

[376] Remember the girl who died in the cryogenic freezer?

[377] Oh yeah, that's right.

[378] What a fucking nightmare.

[379] It's a different episode.

[380] Sorry.

[381] Yeah.

[382] Told her, it was up.

[383] Oh, God, how gross do you want me to get?

[384] He exposes himself to her in a sauna, like sweaty dick.

[385] It's just got, like, what a pervert, perverted sweaty.

[386] Then he starts raping her a lot.

[387] But when Lana Turner found out.

[388] about it.

[389] She held a gun to Barker's head while he slept and thought about killing him.

[390] She didn't and in the morning she kicked his ass out, which is great because a lot of times back then they were like, you're a lying liar.

[391] You know what I mean?

[392] I love.

[393] Yeah.

[394] They divorced, but to avoid scandal, no criminal action was taken against Barker.

[395] Fuck that shit, man. Yeah.

[396] That's old Hollywood.

[397] I mean, that's fucking current Hollywood probably, too.

[398] Let's not talk about it in WIP.

[399] Actors are the best.

[400] I love Hollywood.

[401] It's so fun and light.

[402] And they never worked again.

[403] Our last appearance was at E .W. Pop Fest.

[404] 2016.

[405] So, okay.

[406] So Cheryl is 13, and her mom starts dating Johnny Stampanato.

[407] Does he sound like a bad guy?

[408] No, not at all.

[409] You're wrong.

[410] Does he have a big white suit?

[411] Stampanato.

[412] Like, is he in a?

[413] talking heads is that kind of thing or like he looks like why can't I think of his name who's the guy that hosts family feud Steve Harvey probably looks like that it the audience never likes a joke if they're the one that have to provide the punchline I've learned that over the year I think you're lazy uh huh but we're not and crazy we've just I've just yeah I've pickled my brain white wine yeah um tell me about Johnny Stampanato well here he's a bodyguard for Mickey Cohen, the famous gangster.

[414] Bad guy.

[415] And he was an enforcer for the crime family.

[416] So in case you guys don't know, Mickey Cohen was like a hardcore gang gangster.

[417] Like gangland gangster.

[418] And in her memoir, Cheryl describes him as a, as B picture good looks, thick set, powerfully built, and soft -spoken, and talked in short sentences to cover a poor grasp of grammar and spoken, a deep baritone voice.

[419] With friends, he seldom smiled or laughed out loud, but seemed always coiled, holding himself in, had watchful hooded eyes that took in more than he wanted anyone to notice.

[420] Cheryl, more business -like than her mother, Lana Turner.

[421] Apparently.

[422] Yeah, I'm doing all different characters today.

[423] I love it.

[424] Thank you.

[425] So he is a jealous, abusive man, and one time he got super pissed because Lana was filming another time, another place, in London with Sean Connery, who's like, man, he's hot back then.

[426] and he got super jealous like showed up in London and then they got in a fight he choked her and she had to miss three weeks of filming because her fucking vocal cords are screwed up because he's a fucking dick I'm off yeah they're serious he later shows up on set with a gun and threatens her and Connery motherfucking Sean Connery overpowers him grabs the gun and beats his ass and sends him fucking running from the set Sean Connery Sean Connery next month on Entertainment Weekly Let's see And then later But then later he holds a razor blade To Lana Turner's face And says that he'll disfigure her And like end her career So he's a fucking dick Back in L .A Lana Turner tells Cheryl her daughter He's 13 Ready Is Lana Turner I'm going to end it with him tonight baby It's going to be a rough night are you prepared for it?

[427] Super chill.

[428] That's someone's mother?

[429] Like send her to fucking...

[430] Mom, I'm trying to watch TV.

[431] Get out of here.

[432] What would they be watching back then?

[433] Like Dick Van Dyke.

[434] My mother the car.

[435] There you go.

[436] Dead silence.

[437] Like, no...

[438] They thought I made it up.

[439] Yeah.

[440] Isn't that from Arrested Development?

[441] Turned it.

[442] Okay.

[443] When she's...

[444] So, Sampanato comes over and when she told him it was over.

[445] You ready again?

[446] Do you want me to start going on?

[447] I'll go, I'll go.

[448] Yeah, do it.

[449] You do it.

[450] He grabbed me by the arms and sort of shaking me and cursing very badly.

[451] And he's saying that if I, if he said jump, I would jump.

[452] If he said, hop, I would hop.

[453] And if I had to do anything, this is why I had you do it.

[454] And everything, he told me, he'd cut my face, will criffle me. And if I went beyond that, he would kill me and my daughter and my mother.

[455] This is why I'm, this is why you're the actor of the family.

[456] There's the thing.

[457] Anytime you're doing a voice, halfway through, you want to give up.

[458] Oh.

[459] You just power through.

[460] Okay.

[461] That's my advice to you.

[462] All right.

[463] But here's what I love.

[464] He said, if I say jump, you'll jump.

[465] And if I say hop, you'll hop.

[466] That's a hip hop song, isn't it?

[467] If I say jump, you say, I'm just saying, why doesn't he pick other stuff that's different than jumping and hopping?

[468] Like, he could have total control over this woman.

[469] If I say, give me all your money, you give me all your money.

[470] Or just shut up for a while.

[471] But instead it's hopping and jumping.

[472] Hopping and jumping.

[473] Sounds exhausting.

[474] Take a nap.

[475] so she breaks away and says don't ever touch me again I am absolutely finished this is so bad this is the end and I want to get you out and then she says I was walking toward the bedroom door and he was right behind me and I opened it and my daughter came in I swear it was so fast truthfully I thought she had hit him in the stomach the best I can remember they came together and then they parted wait a second I still never saw the blade the daughter killed Johnny Stampanato wait did you guys know about this what the 13 year old 13 years old fucking stands at the bedroom door she had come in earlier because she heard her mom getting beat up and her mom was like please go back to your room like I'm fine this is taken care of and she said she doesn't remember going down to the kitchen and grabbing a butcher knife and she stood by the door and begged her mom to let her in finally the mom lets her in and she fucking barrels passed Lana Turner and stabs him in the fucking gut.

[476] And then he, um, let's see, what, let's see.

[477] Oh, a single time in the abdomen, slicing his kidney, and it struck the vertebrae and twisted upward, puncturing his aorta.

[478] Whoa.

[479] She fucking went for it.

[480] This badass little bitch.

[481] And there's photos of her.

[482] And she's this like cute thing, entafida.

[483] Cheryl, Cheryl, Cheryl.

[484] she fucking defended her mother.

[485] Shit.

[486] I mean, right?

[487] She was like, why didn't she get the spleen in there while she was at it?

[488] I mean, she hit so many key she knew how to stand like it's not just a thing, it's like a fucking thing you know, it's like a ripping.

[489] But also there's to me the first thing I think of is like this is a child who's been put in danger by these strange men that keep coming into the house because of the mother and the mother isn't safe and she's got to fucking like take action.

[490] But it's also probably this crazy thing of like, you know, this mother who you keep seeing, making these mistakes that are affecting you as well, and you're going to prove to your mom how much you care about her.

[491] Right.

[492] Like that you will do anything to take care of her.

[493] Yeah.

[494] You know, this like sad woman who had to be like through the industry and taken advantage of and bullshit of the fucking having a coke at the counter.

[495] Like she probably went through a lot more shit.

[496] Yeah.

[497] Oh, yeah.

[498] Right?

[499] Or she wants to she wants to take care of her mom.

[500] I just like that when we get serious.

[501] there's some gorgeous house music to play behind you.

[502] I mean, I wonder if this is set that mood.

[503] Yeah, this is very, this is actually, yeah, we become an NPR podcast where there's like, it's very there's music in the background all the time.

[504] Ambient music.

[505] Ambient music and it's like it, yeah, Jojo's singing in the background.

[506] So she fucking, oh, you're dancing.

[507] A little bit.

[508] I thought you were pointing at me to like, fucking finish.

[509] Can you go on?

[510] Wrap it up.

[511] So she fucking stabs him.

[512] That's so.

[513] And there were all these room, like, there are all these, like, you know, everyone who likes to do a, what's it called when you have these conspiracy theories, a conspiracy theory, that Lana Turner actually, actually, that Lana Turner actually killed him and, like, made her daughter take the blame because she was 13 or 14 and she wouldn't get as much trouble.

[514] But then, let's see, so the police arrived, Cheryl admits to the stabbing.

[515] She's taken a juvie, and then there's a coroner's interest in, nope, in quest.

[516] And in it, so there's like basically a trial to see if she should go to trial, I think was what it was, because she's a minor.

[517] And mobster Mickey Cohen, who was fucking big time.

[518] And this is when, like, invent Las Vegas?

[519] Yeah.

[520] Yeah.

[521] And this is like when, when, so, no, that's Bugsy Siegel.

[522] Right.

[523] Their own Jews.

[524] Are there anyone in the mafia here today that can help us out?

[525] well no one they murder me at the end of this big time guy like and this is when hollywood and the mob were kind of you know they needed each other in certain ways and so they were commingling but he was the person who I identified Johnny's body at the morgue so he had to testify can you imagine having like being a lawyer who's about to fucking question a huge yeah he's like later days but sorry go ahead no go ahead well I was just going to say he was he there to like speak against Cheryl, or they were just there to kind of state the facts?

[526] I think that they, I think that the mob was pissed off that she, that they, well, let me tell you what happened.

[527] Okay.

[528] So Lana Turner testified and it's like in her best role yet, she explained what happened that night, which insinuates that she's fucking lying.

[529] Right.

[530] You know, and then, so she testifies, and that's where all those quotes come in that you read earlier, so brilliantly.

[531] Thank you.

[532] You're welcome.

[533] Then they, the jury takes less than half.

[534] half an hour and decides that Johnny Stompanado's death was a case of justifiable homicide.

[535] And so all these gang members are fucking pissed about that.

[536] And they say that Cheryl was acting a fear for her life and for that of her mother and they found that she has justified in using deadly force to stop him.

[537] And everyone was like, someone said this is the, this wall just I'm trying hard to ignore it.

[538] When the fucking background music is louder than the laughter of the crowd, there's a problem.

[539] the back of my head is shaking so yeah I'm right not a lot we can do yeah I mean just life okay so they were like this is the first time someone has been convicted of their own murder that kind of thing they were pissed off about it eventually the family of Johnny sues Lana Turner for wrongful death they settle out of court which I always wonder like when you settle out of court that kind of implies your guilt or does it imply that you just didn't want to go through this huge crazy trial.

[540] They're like, give me two grants, like $200 ,000.

[541] How much is a lot of money?

[542] Yeah, I'm not sure.

[543] I mean, I think it could just be whatever.

[544] It's like either you're not going to win or you don't want to keep paying for a lawyer.

[545] There's all kinds of reasons to do that.

[546] Basically give me so money, which makes sense.

[547] I mean, if he was bringing money home for his mother and she's like, I don't have the source of income anymore.

[548] Yeah.

[549] But also, you were maybe molesting my daughter.

[550] So it comes out later in Cheryl's memoir.

[551] And she was quiet about it for years and years and finally came out with a memoir that details her molestation by her fucking, the second husband and says that Johnny was molesting.

[552] Oh, no. I know.

[553] There were rumors that Lana Turner did it, but she takes the blame completely.

[554] Cheryl does?

[555] Yeah, Cheryl takes the blame completely.

[556] She had stabbed him and also that he had been abusing her sexually.

[557] But this fucking bad ass bitch, she has.

[558] had some trouble years at a teen, like went to insane asylum and like was sent to, you know, boarding school and all this shit and it was going very badly for her and then she tried to commit suicide a couple times and then got her shit together and she became a successful business woman and real estate agent.

[559] She fucking kicked ass and then ended up having a really close relationship with her mom.

[560] Her mom.

[561] She came out of the closet and her mom completely, Lama Turner supported her 100%.

[562] She's been with this woman for, you know, decades and she's this fucking awesome crazy awesome bitch who fucking killed her mom's abuser right that's so badass so that's fucking it this rare the applause rarely happens in my living room so this is so weird it's very satisfying stephen will like do a silent clap and then and elvis knows when like the last person goes yes but he doesn't he yeah he'll come out of the bedroom for that i just like watching you throw down your papers in total mash victory legal and other was.

[563] I don't even know if, like, that was a good story, but I just act like it.

[564] It absolutely was.

[565] Thank you.

[566] It was exciting.

[567] And Lana Turner's like old school.

[568] Isn't that the part in LA Confidential when, uh, the director is like some, some rip off Lana Turner and it's like that was like, oh, it was like, oh, it was Monica Lake.

[569] Yeah.

[570] But similar.

[571] Sorry.

[572] I mean, yes.

[573] Similar.

[574] That was a similar.

[575] That was similar.

[576] But that, but she was like, oh, even before that.

[577] Oh, okay.

[578] Yeah.

[579] She was a platinum blonde though, right?

[580] Platinum blonde, though.

[581] Right.

[582] Platinum blonde.

[583] on tight.

[584] You mean, you could look up the photos.

[585] They're like, it's great.

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[611] so mine is also about a starlit but she was no Lana Turner um mine is the story of the wasp woman does anybody here know that one well nobody does then I'll tell you um for a second it looked my parents was gone I'm just like how am I going to lie my way through the facts of the first page where everything make it up make it up it does doesn't matter.

[612] I've already told you that facts don't exist.

[613] We, just a sidebar, I just saw a clip, we were on a local news and Sacramento news story about, because we did the story of Dorothea Puente, who is an old lady who killed all the people in her boarding house.

[614] And for some reason, I think it's because it's almost Halloween, the Sacramento local news did a story on, they just kept going a podcast.

[615] They like didn't use the name, until they absolutely had to.

[616] Oh, yeah.

[617] Is that because they didn't want to say murder?

[618] I don't know.

[619] I thought they were being rude.

[620] But they were, no, they were just mostly, they were focusing on the, on the story of Dorothea Puente as opposed to us.

[621] But they were saying like, oh, it's my number.

[622] I got to go.

[623] Five, six, seven, eight.

[624] Do you believe?

[625] We didn't tell you.

[626] We created a five, six, seven, eight.

[627] One and two and improv dance.

[628] Why was I bragging about that?

[629] Because, oh, because, because as I watch the clip, they start talking.

[630] And then I realized, like, there was a woman behind a news desk holding papers about to talk about the story we did.

[631] And I was like, oh, God, I hope this is right.

[632] Like, honestly, worried.

[633] They were like, it was actually, they didn't find a dead person.

[634] They didn't.

[635] It was an alive person?

[636] It was a man named Don.

[637] It was a holiday.

[638] Very nerve rights.

[639] Anyway.

[640] All right.

[641] So my story.

[642] is the wasp woman murder, and this is the death of a woman who is essentially, if you had to boil it down, a B -movie star.

[643] Her name is Susan Cabot.

[644] I'm assuming it's Cabot.

[645] It could be Cabot.

[646] I hope it's not.

[647] Cabot sounds right.

[648] Cabot looks and sounds right.

[649] And she, essentially, the background on her, it's just going to be there the whole time.

[650] But what if we listened and it was like, oh my God, it's one direction, and we had to drop our mics and run out there?

[651] everyone follow us you guys everybody wants to be my girl you know um i got most of my information for this story from an article by a guy named james marison who writes on criminal element dot com which it was a really good article um that i ripped off and uh but you gave him credit it's yeah exactly um so basically here's what happened on the night of december 10th 1986 the police got a call from 4601 Charmy and Lane in the San Fernando Valley.

[652] Anyone?

[653] Valley?

[654] Represale?

[655] Valley?

[656] It's where hipster parents.

[657] Two people are like, yeah, I mean.

[658] Sorry.

[659] We had a kid and house.

[660] So the caller breathlessly identified himself as Timothy Roman and he said that a burglar had broken into their house and attacked his mother and himself.

[661] Paramedics arrived four minutes later.

[662] By which time, Timothy was waiting for them calm outside the front door.

[663] And he told the two EMTs that he had been attacked and that his mother was in her bedroom and he believed that she was also injured.

[664] Let me guess.

[665] He only had cuts down the left side of his body for where he sat to himself.

[666] Fucking asshole.

[667] Give him a chance.

[668] We don't know anything about him yet.

[669] Sure, sure, sure, sure.

[670] So the EMTs went into the back and his mother had been beaten to death with a weight, a bar, a dumbbell.

[671] and his mother was be a movie star Susan Cabot she now I transition into her see I tried to make this like good storytelling where like that's what happened but then here's the person but then I already start talking about her at the beginning so now we're back to this part God damn it Karen Unprofessional that's what we are you know Susan Cabot from such films as the enforcer the prince who was a thief the Battle of Apache Pass the duel at Silver Creek, the Viking Women and the Sea Serpent.

[672] I've heard of any of these.

[673] All your favorites from the 50s that you love so much.

[674] She was also in Machine Gun Kelly with Charles Bronson.

[675] Okay, I know that.

[676] But her biggest role in the one she's known best for is a 1959 film called The Wasp Woman, where she was the lead, and she played an aging cosmetics executive named Janice Starlin, who unwisely injects herself with a rejuvenating serum derived from wasp enzymes, and it turns her into a lustful, murderous queen wasp.

[677] Now, if you have seen this, it's fucking amazing, because they basically, the fly came out, and the fly was a huge hit.

[678] So Roger Corman was trying to make a movie and basically get some of the action off the fly.

[679] And so when Susan Cabot turns into the wasp woman, it looks like she just pulled a black panty hose over her head that has like two legs, eggs on either side for eyes and like honestly pipe cleaners up here.

[680] I don't think anyone nearer knows what legs eggs are.

[681] Legs eggs.

[682] I know legs eggs.

[683] One person is over 31.

[684] There used to be panty hose that came in eggs.

[685] I'll tell you about it later.

[686] Just super cheap.

[687] Be very funny though.

[688] When you see now like I kept pulling pictures.

[689] I kind of want to pass my phone around, but do it.

[690] It's just it, like, there's one picture where it's like her clearly turned to the screen like this, except for there's no, there's no definable features.

[691] It's just these, these really bad pipe cleaner antenna and then these big weird eyes.

[692] Oh, and like kind of fangs.

[693] It's hilarious.

[694] They spent the whole budget on Crafty, and then they were like, let's just fucking throw this thing together.

[695] They were like, Susan insisted on getting blue cheese, and now I can't afford a wasp outfit.

[696] She wanted plastic cups of wine.

[697] She had to get her wine cups.

[698] The poster from that time is they used to do like the illustrated posters.

[699] And it's the thing I hate the most.

[700] It's a humongous, like, giant wasp that's bigger, you know, that looks like it's the size of a bus.

[701] And it's attacking a man, but the wasp has a woman's face with a bunch of makeup on it.

[702] And that's, I hate that the most when, when, like, horror movies or whatever put a human, And it's basically saying, I've turned into a wasp, but my face is still here.

[703] That's the worst.

[704] Because that wouldn't happen.

[705] Well, it wouldn't, but also, what if it did?

[706] Then there's your weird face that you took your wasp arm to put lipstick on and shit.

[707] Like, this face has so much makeup on.

[708] Because you can't go out without makeup.

[709] You can't, even if you're a wasp.

[710] So, all right.

[711] So this is the movie she's best known for.

[712] I'm just saying keep it in mind.

[713] Okay.

[714] she also was she was gorgeous and very petite and she dated tons of people which is her prerogative bobby brown um one of which was uh king hussein of jordan he dated around didn't he what's that i think he dated a few actresses yeah yeah i think so he looked he had a kind of clark gabley quality and i think he hung out in l .a and and he dated her she actually drove uh princess Margaret's Bentley.

[715] I think he set her up and kind of like made sure she had a great life after her B -movie career was kind of fizzling.

[716] But then he broke up with her when he found out she was Jewish.

[717] Sorry.

[718] No, I'm sorry.

[719] I'm sorry, Wes.

[720] What have I just started vomiting?

[721] Also, do your homework.

[722] Like, what?

[723] Oh, okay.

[724] The romance is over.

[725] Do you have Wikipedia back then?

[726] You gave her like the most expensive car there is, it should have been real, but no. Anyway, a lot of anti -Semitism in Hollywood.

[727] And Jordan, apparently.

[728] Even though we fucking created Hollywood.

[729] No one's laughing.

[730] It's true.

[731] It's true.

[732] It's not funny.

[733] It's true.

[734] So, when the paramedics went inside, they found what would be a classic hoarders episode inside the Cabot's house.

[735] It had been Susan Cabot, and her son, and they had been living in this house, where they said there were garbage bags in every room.

[736] Newspapers and magazines stacked in toppling piles along corridors, rotting food everywhere, dead rats floating in the pool.

[737] And they had 10 dogs.

[738] I have two dogs and I live like a goddamn bum.

[739] It's crazy.

[740] I was going to say that I would pay to go through that.

[741] Because what year was that?

[742] 87.

[743] Oh, I would pay, like I would want to see all her weird shit she said, but then the end kind of bummed me. out and so I'm good.

[744] Yeah.

[745] Like I want to go to the estate sale, but only after they cleaned it up.

[746] This estate sale, once they cleaned it up, there'd be nothing left.

[747] It'd be like wood beams, and they'd be like, do you want, do you need wood?

[748] I'm good.

[749] Um, so the, uh, when they get back to the bedroom, they find Susan Cabot lying dead on her bed dressed only in a purple V -neck nightgown.

[750] Somebody remembered that it was purple.

[751] Yeah.

[752] Um, B -neck.

[753] Blood everywhere.

[754] A large arc of it was sprayed on the bedroom mirror near her bed.

[755] There was sweat.

[756] A arc of blood.

[757] Oh, blood spatter.

[758] There's blood spatter on the ceiling above her prone body and further bloodstains on the floor and on the bed.

[759] And the killer had covered Cabot's face and head with a piece of bed linen before bludgeoning a heart of death.

[760] Which we all know what that means.

[761] Uh -huh.

[762] Can't.

[763] It's personal.

[764] Oh, right?

[765] I just wanted someone to answer.

[766] Oh, I thought we all.

[767] Sorry.

[768] It means they're Jewish.

[769] What?

[770] Stop it.

[771] Stop saying that word.

[772] This is getting very anti -Semitic.

[773] Underneath that piece of linen, her face was all but unrecognizable.

[774] So overkill, he beat the shit out of her face.

[775] So now they come back out and they are like, Tim, what happened?

[776] And he's like, you will not believe this.

[777] I woke up at 9 .30.

[778] I hear my mom being attacked in her bedroom.

[779] So I go to the kitchen.

[780] As I'm reading it, I'm like, hmm.

[781] As you do.

[782] should have said you at least stuck your head in, but he went to the kitchen where he found a ninja warrior.

[783] I was waiting for the other thing they always blame it on.

[784] Black people.

[785] Oh, a black person.

[786] Well, he kind of what, he said there was a ninja who was a Latino.

[787] Oh, come on.

[788] You say it's a white person and they'll believe you every time.

[789] Well, so he said he fought with the ninja warrior.

[790] The curly hair Mexican ninja warrior in the San Fernando Valley but the guy knocked him out and so then that's then when he woke up he called So they were just there to kill the old woman hoarder Like they didn't want to kill him No no no they just wanted to knock him out And then terribly murder her face You know how ninjas are So Of course The police are like something smells fishy aside from the 12 bags of garbage in every room of your home.

[791] So then as they talk to him more and more, I think they bring him in, and then his statements to become increasingly inconsistent, of course, and his wounds are overtly self -inflicted.

[792] And when he was asked about his relationship with his mother, he described it as very close, his mother, and he talked about everything he told investigators, including intimate sexual matters.

[793] flag, right?

[794] Well, I mean, why?

[795] What kind of breakfast are you having that that's the conversation?

[796] How was your night?

[797] Well, I fucked so many people, Mommy.

[798] Pass the ketchup.

[799] Ketchup on eggs, murderer.

[800] No, I'm kidding.

[801] I love it.

[802] No, I'm kidding.

[803] I love it.

[804] No, just white trash.

[805] So when the questioning was over, he was formally charged with his mother's murder.

[806] He demanded that he be taken home to collect some medication and that he needed that he needed and there without any prompting at all Timothy led the detectives to the murder weapon so in his room he had they had um those 10 dogs four of them were akitas that were his dogs and when the paramedics got there they were in his room going crazy like wouldn't stop barking going insane so they couldn't go into his room well when they bring him back after his question at the police in the police department when they bring him back, he brings them into his room, and that's where he put the murder weapon.

[807] So that he put the dogs that, like, it's all a little bit convenient of, we couldn't go in there because those dogs were going crazy.

[808] Actually, here's a bloody dumbbell that I killed my mother with and a scalpel.

[809] Oh, no. Yes.

[810] adopted those dogs after this whole thing.

[811] No, they had such a great life.

[812] There was a farmer that came into the San Fernando Valley.

[813] Really?

[814] Uh -huh, uh -huh.

[815] And they live forever?

[816] See?

[817] Here they are today.

[818] Who's a good boy?

[819] Old, really smelly dogs.

[820] Oh, my favorite.

[821] And they're like, I saw murder.

[822] I'm all crazy now.

[823] I'm going to eat your ankle.

[824] Okay, so here's my favorite part.

[825] And this is something that the paramedics noticed when they got to the house is when they were walking up to the front door.

[826] They thought it was a 13 -year -old boy.

[827] standing at the front door.

[828] And then when they got up close, they realized he had old face.

[829] Life 13.

[830] Which some of us have.

[831] And it turned out he was 22.

[832] Okay.

[833] And this situation was that Timothy was born with pituitary dwarfism.

[834] And so he the way he was born, he should have only stood four feet tall.

[835] But his mother got him on an experimental drug program.

[836] That's always chill.

[837] Uh -huh.

[838] And it worked well for her in the movies.

[839] So he had been taking experimental growth hormone for 15 years, and he grew to be 5 foot 4.

[840] But the problem was that this experimental growth hormone was something that doctors had come up with.

[841] It was derived from the pituitary gland of cadavers.

[842] Oh, dear.

[843] So they were basically injecting him with the hormones from.

[844] dead bodies.

[845] And later on, this was actually, it was the National Institute of Health.

[846] It was like a, um, a program that they had set up for children that were born with dwarfism, only to then realize, because it was an eight year program, that, um, they had treated 700 children with this, growth hormone, uh, who suffered from growth hormone deficiency.

[847] They gave them this, this, you know, medicine or whatever, this treatment.

[848] And it turns out that, as we all know, when you use old blood from dead bodies or old growth hormone or whatever, that's one of the major ways you can get Kruitsfeld -Jacob disease, which is also known as Mad Cow.

[849] Fuck.

[850] No way.

[851] Yes.

[852] Key word here is experimental.

[853] Like, why would you let your, who in here has a child?

[854] Nobody.

[855] Why would you let your kid?

[856] So many questions.

[857] Well, but this is the thing where it's like she is a baby born with dwarfism as if that's unacceptable.

[858] She starts putting him on this program that essentially, you know, and his defense lawyers were like he was a human experiment.

[859] Dude, totally.

[860] And when you have the mad cow thing, part of the disease is dementia, your personality changes.

[861] You have mood swings.

[862] You don't know where you are a lot of the time.

[863] It sounds like it's like get hit on the head or be in an experimental fucking dead blood.

[864] This has to go into the triangle.

[865] It can't be a lot of them.

[866] They're there.

[867] They're there.

[868] Keep your eyes peel.

[869] So then it was revealed.

[870] I didn't mean to do a dramatic pause.

[871] I lost my place.

[872] And then laugh at that.

[873] Then I thought I would use it.

[874] Then it was revealed that Siz and Cabot, when she put it together, that this pituitary gland hormone that her son was taking she thought maybe that would make her look young so she started injecting it in herself too so they were both taking this this drug that was making them insane who'd have thought that a hoarder would be crazy I mean and have bad ideas about what to inject into their body so page 9 Uh -uh.

[875] Page nine.

[876] So, basically, he stood trial in May of 1989, and his legal defense initially put in a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity.

[877] They just basically said that the psychological symptoms he suffered from extreme change in personality, dementia, loss of ability to think clearly and memory loss, combined with his mother's behavior because apparently she was just sitting in this house it was actually like and the guy that writes this article it's a really good article he equates it to like Sunset Boulevard and all those there's a lot of movies where it's like the old aging actress that can't let go of her beauty and her fame like stopped in time kind of thing and basically locks herself in a house and like goes insane and tries to get people to come in the house with her well that's actually what Susan Cabot really was doing with her son but in like the super bummer hoarder's way.

[878] Like not in a charming, interesting caviar.

[879] No, no caviar being served here.

[880] Old tuna fish cans probably in the way I've pictured it.

[881] Just the cans are being served.

[882] Just, you want to chew on an old can?

[883] We're goats today.

[884] So essentially her, Timothy's tutor came and testified at the trial and said that Susan frequently screamed at her son for no reason and then when Roman failed to take his medication like he didn't shoot himself up he literally couldn't add two numbers together so they were it was weird it was basically on this drug together that made them insane and that apparently what he ended up Timothy ended up saying was the night that he attacked his mother he doesn't remember doing it he doesn't remember going to pick up the barbell or any of the other things he used to bludgeon her to death but that she would not stop screaming at him and he she had been screaming at him and not recognizing him for like a week I buy it so yeah she she was completely like over the edge and he basically not actually being totally stable himself snapped and just murdered her I kind of believe it yeah you better believe it because it happened and then I got and that's what the prosecutor said during the trial.

[885] So essentially he was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

[886] So after hearing all the stories and all the people basically saying she was not.

[887] And he was two.

[888] He had already spent two and a half years in jail awaiting the trial and then he basically got three years probation.

[889] No. The judge concluded her summation by saying that there was no doubt in her mind that he had loved his mother very much.

[890] I wish he gotten put in a fucking insane asylum so he could be taken care of right um i'll tell you that the episode of what's it called it's called like murders and it's that super cheesy e show with a j what's his name and it's like called nisprings and murders anyone got this someone do my homework for me nobody knows it's on youtube and you can see it it's about her it's about this murder but the guy himself timothy is on it and he does that thing where he's like the anonymous person, so he's in black and the room's all dark.

[891] Which, thank God, because it was probably like newspapers and fish bones shit.

[892] Oh, no. But he's...

[893] Tuna fish cans?

[894] Yeah.

[895] Just stacks and stacks.

[896] Oh, you bet.

[897] Um, but he basically said in it like, he's talking firsthand and just basically saying, yeah, I snapped and it was a really bad situation.

[898] I buy it, dude.

[899] Yeah.

[900] Usually I'm like, oh, yeah, you were crazy.

[901] We're all crazy.

[902] Like, fuck, man. Yeah.

[903] That's intense.

[904] That's like, yeah.

[905] That's some next level.

[906] That's entertainment, everybody.

[907] That's show business for you.

[908] That's how show business works.

[909] Thank you.

[910] Well, in our last five minutes...

[911] Should we read a...

[912] Should we read a hometown?

[913] I've never sit in silence.

[914] What if...

[915] Does anybody here have a really good hometown murder they want to tell us?

[916] Karen, great idea.

[917] Put your hand up.

[918] I see someone pointing at a person.

[919] But that's someone pointing at another person.

[920] I know.

[921] She's waving.

[922] She's involved in it.

[923] Oh, I'll do it.

[924] Just kidding.

[925] Karen just shamed everyone.

[926] Hi, hey, hey, come over here.

[927] Come talk to Karen.

[928] What's your name?

[929] Margie.

[930] Georgia, this is Margie.

[931] Hi, Margie.

[932] Nice to meet you.

[933] Do you want to do it up there?

[934] Come on, come on, come on.

[935] Yay, Margie.

[936] Hi.

[937] Cold, which means it's almost over.

[938] Sit here.

[939] Does this work?

[940] I don't know.

[941] Come here, Margie.

[942] Yeah, it works.

[943] It works.

[944] Margie's got her backpack on.

[945] She's going to run after this.

[946] I have to go.

[947] Oh, God.

[948] Hi.

[949] Tell us your hometown.

[950] Where are you from?

[951] I'm originally from Miami, but I live here now.

[952] Florida.

[953] It sucks.

[954] I love that.

[955] So I live here now and my hometown murder is here.

[956] Sorry, shaking.

[957] No. The hometown is in quotes.

[958] We all are.

[959] So I worked in this office with this dude.

[960] Oh.

[961] Wait.

[962] Is this a firsthand murder?

[963] Oh, yeah.

[964] Oh, shit.

[965] Here we go.

[966] Whoever pointed.

[967] Good job.

[968] Yeah.

[969] Buckle the fuck up.

[970] So this guy, like, I was an intern in this office, and he worked there.

[971] He was a writer there.

[972] and he kind of would like creep on me he would like rub my shoulders and like can I get you a water bottle?

[973] That's sexual harassment.

[974] Yes, but when you're an unpaid intern there's not a lot you can do.

[975] That's right.

[976] You just keep quiet and stop and don't make money.

[977] Yeah, yeah.

[978] So I got the hell out of there but I stayed in touch with people who worked in the office and basically recently this dude snapped.

[979] So he had this wonderful wife who had given birth to two of his children and they were in the process of getting a divorce.

[980] While they were getting a divorce, he had a living girlfriend who was now pregnant with his next child.

[981] So during this divorce, while he's with this girlfriend, he gets charged with this sexual assault allegation of somebody else.

[982] Oh, God.

[983] Third party.

[984] So there's this girl who was raped, divorced wife, new girlfriend, babies on the way, everywhere.

[985] and when the rape allegation comes out, the girlfriend's like, no, no, I'm not about this.

[986] So she leaves, and he, they have like this apartment in WeHo.

[987] So he begs her to come back.

[988] He's like, let's talk about this, whatever.

[989] So she leaves the baby at her mom's house.

[990] Goes to the apartment, though.

[991] Leaving the baby behind?

[992] Baby's great.

[993] Baby's fine.

[994] Okay.

[995] Spoiler alert.

[996] So she goes to his apartment and is never heard from again.

[997] Ever, ever.

[998] Basically, I'm pretty sure it was like the next day.

[999] Her mother was really worried.

[1000] They hadn't heard from her.

[1001] So they sent the police over there.

[1002] He had barricaded all of his furniture against the door.

[1003] He was locked in his bedroom with her body that he had drained of all its blood.

[1004] No. So, we -ho.

[1005] This year.

[1006] This year, we -ho.

[1007] Yes.

[1008] Yes, so more information keeps coming out.

[1009] The dismemberment thing is like new information that we didn't know before.

[1010] But the twist is that he is a graphic novel writer.

[1011] He had written, listen, he had written.

[1012] Listen, this is her podcast.

[1013] She just fucking school.

[1014] He had written this terrible, gruesome story about a, I think it's like a scientist who does the same thing to his, like, lab assistant.

[1015] So.

[1016] Or this.

[1017] Oh, yeah.

[1018] like a few years ago he had written and had gotten published.

[1019] It did really well, but it was like this really gruesome dark graphic novel where he had like hung her upside down, drained all the blood in his bathtub, had dismembered her, whatever.

[1020] And then he fucking did it.

[1021] Like there's no way you're getting out of this one, dude.

[1022] So no. That's my hometown murderer.

[1023] I love it.

[1024] And you knew him?

[1025] Oh yeah.

[1026] And he massaged you.

[1027] Yes.

[1028] Welcome to Ellen.

[1029] Do I want to plug anything like your Twitter or your Instagram?

[1030] Okay.

[1031] Well, my Twitter is Marge over Matter.

[1032] Love it.

[1033] Thank you so much.

[1034] My best friend John and I and my girlfriend, Kirsten, we have a clothing line called Do or Die.

[1035] Kirsten is the one who handles your clothes.

[1036] Oh, my God.

[1037] This is Kirsten.

[1038] I'm going to hug the shit out of you.

[1039] From the printful, you guys.

[1040] Awesome.

[1041] That's her.

[1042] She really wants to meet you.

[1043] Oh, we're hugging.

[1044] Yeah, okay.

[1045] Thanks, so, you're going to meet that microphone.

[1046] Yeah, we'll see you after it.

[1047] It's your parting gift.

[1048] It's like, no way.

[1049] Awesome.

[1050] You guys, that's it for us, I think.

[1051] Yes, thank you so much for being here.

[1052] That was so fun.