90 - Peak Experience

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only murders in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Stephen, you have to be like a fucking on -the -street reporter when we're being so.

[17] interesting.

[18] Always be recording.

[19] A .B .R. Everyone knows this.

[20] Always be recording with us.

[21] If we're going to talk about Gerard Depard -Depardue, we need everyone to hear it in the world.

[22] Breaking News, America.

[23] Gerard Deppard -Du admits to drinking 14 bottles of wine a day.

[24] God damn.

[25] Dude.

[26] His teeth must be more stained than mine.

[27] I mean, not stained.

[28] They're falling out.

[29] I mean, perhaps, but he's so drunk he doesn't give a fuck.

[30] I think that's how much Andre the Giant would drink.

[31] that's right and you know that and like yeah he'd eat like 12 chickens and drink like 17 six packs of beer i wish i wish vins were gonna ask him because that's what he would actually do and then when vince always hated red wine and then he found out that andre the giant loved um bordeaux uh -huh no i'm sorry he loved bouge -olet wine so we tracked it down and like now we drink bougealet wine because andre the giant drank you know that i love giants right no wait what it's one of my jams i had never even thought of that as a thing.

[32] I'm upset.

[33] Oh, welcome.

[34] This is my favorite murder.

[35] The podcast.

[36] I want to start at, I'm obsessed with giants.

[37] Because the rest of it was all bullshit.

[38] I mean, was it or was it some of the best podcasting we've ever done?

[39] That anyone's ever done.

[40] Breaking ground.

[41] Robert Waldlow was in the Guinness Book of World Records.

[42] And if you are a child of the late 70s, early 80s like myself, before there was the internet before there were cell phones and smartphones before there really even was that much tv we just had four channels you did things like sit in your aunt's living room and read the guinness book of world records did that so hard right fuck yeah twins on fat twins on motorcycles longest nails in the world longest hair uh giants i love giants i had no idea robert wildlow was in the guinness book of records he's the tallest man uh i think the talls i'm from america yeah um he was i was gonna say seven foot 12 and this is my favorite murder podcast hello now you know it's really us that was like the pin number of proving that it's us by me saying robert wild though was seven foot 12 did i ever tell you my bra story of in when i was in elementary school i'm like i've had flattest chest forever right you're in the in the in the Guinness book yes as a matter of fact it was kitty porn it was just a photo no no but when I was little I had like no boobies like most kids do but like sixth grade when girls start to get their boobies and so everyone was sitting around talking about like what bra size they have now and someone was like I have a 34 a and I have a this and that and I went well I have a 35 a because they were like that's not a I was so embarrassing yeah you just you were just trying to compete I was just trying to get in there.

[43] Yes.

[44] When you just look at my, anyways.

[45] But now, I just remind you, every girl in that circle did the exact same thing at a different period of time.

[46] Yes.

[47] And that's what no one ever talks about.

[48] And sometimes that's why people are so mean is because people were mean to them when it happened to them.

[49] So then when someone else does it, they descend like fucking.

[50] And they're so happy it's on someone, the attention's on someone else and not them.

[51] That's what it's all about.

[52] Yeah.

[53] Do you know, this is the, this is the reason.

[54] and I wish I had had this when I was done is how to laugh at yourself because that just, no one can fucking make fun of you if you're like, oh my God, I can't believe I said that stupid thing.

[55] Yes.

[56] It doesn't affect you.

[57] But I think when you're at that age, like you can't laugh at yourself until you're around 37.

[58] In my experience.

[59] That's how old I am.

[60] Well, congratulations.

[61] Thank you.

[62] I'm now laughing at myself.

[63] It's going to be so much fun.

[64] Oh, my God.

[65] I can't wait.

[66] Oh, but the thing is you have to drink 12 bottles of wine a day.

[67] You have to day par do that shit.

[68] I got about.

[69] three more bottles to go today and I'm good.

[70] Let's get you there.

[71] Let's go there.

[72] I just love that people have these interests giants for you that like you would never think of as a thing that you're really into.

[73] Have you ever heard of Anna Swan, the giantess of Nova Scotia?

[74] Of course not.

[75] I'm a normal person.

[76] She's humongous.

[77] She's humongous and amazing looking and she married a giant.

[78] So they were they were traveling circus people because they were both huge.

[79] I love them.

[80] And look her up because there's pictures where there are people standing in front of her looking up and she's like two grown men standing on each other in a hiding in a dress to get into the movies dressed as Anna's mom.

[81] But I love her because apparently people, she got constant marriage proposals.

[82] Oh my God.

[83] That's like part of her story where I'm just like, where is this world?

[84] Yeah.

[85] I want to go to that world.

[86] I want to be a giant.

[87] Yeah.

[88] That's fucking cool.

[89] It's the best.

[90] Sorry, I didn't mean to go.

[91] back to Giants.

[92] No, I want, that's all I wanted to talk about this whole time, is your obsession with giants.

[93] I really do love when people have this thing that they know all about and are obsessed with.

[94] Yeah.

[95] It's pretty cool.

[96] It's so cool.

[97] Hey, this is my favorite murder of the podcast.

[98] That's Karen Kilgariff.

[99] I'm George Ard Stark.

[100] That's right.

[101] Okay.

[102] I have a couple of things this week to talk about.

[103] Now we're really being serious.

[104] Before we start the murder.

[105] All right, everyone can stop telling us to listen to Dirty John.

[106] Yes, it's a new podcast.

[107] It's happening.

[108] I've listened to an episode and a half.

[109] Here's the two problems I have with it.

[110] One, Vince found out the ending and told me for some reason.

[111] But I did think like, I'm not going to listen.

[112] Just tell me. And he told me. Oh, then that's your fault.

[113] It's totally my fault.

[114] And then the other thing is the women, the daughters who are being interviewed in the podcast, they're from Irvine, which is where I'm from, and sound like every girl I went to high school with and it's giving me fucking PTSD.

[115] That's a serious problem.

[116] Yeah.

[117] Yeah.

[118] You don't want that in your head.

[119] I don't, but it's a good story and I'm excited to listen.

[120] I mean, people are going crazy about it.

[121] Yeah, it reminds me of S -town a little bit.

[122] So I'm, listen, I got my heartbroken by S -town.

[123] So, dear John, I mean dirty John, I'm going to need you to.

[124] Dear John, you mean the Judd Hirsch series?

[125] Yes.

[126] People get obsessed and here's what I love.

[127] I sit back when those things hit and I just let them go.

[128] I let everything wash over.

[129] And then I watch how the first, wave is everyone going this is amazing you have to listen to it the second wave is always it wasn't that good yep or it sucked that's who i am right and then then i wait a little bit longer and then they'll always be someone that's like no here's what here's the situation right nothing's perfect but it's like but it gets you here and you'll like it because of this and it's this and it's interesting or whatever i think it's just it's a different that's such a it's such a specific story that it's not going to appeal to everyone so they're them saying everyone's obsessed with it We're just like, no, some people aren't that into, like, you know, fraud stories or whatever.

[130] Okay, the other thing.

[131] And then Stephen sent us this, like, a couple news links that some new photos from Jonestown came out.

[132] Oh.

[133] And it's from when they're in Ghana.

[134] Right.

[135] And it's basically photos that look like, I think this is what most of them are, like, from a brochure.

[136] It's propaganda.

[137] Like trying to get people to move to Jonestown?

[138] Yeah.

[139] Look how happy everyone is.

[140] is they're smiling, they're working, they're living on a commune, you know, and look how great everyone looks, although, you know, there's no interesting his race here, and everyone works and everyone loves it, and children are learning, but it's all fake.

[141] And then there's, like, one photo of, uh, there's a couple photos from the day they all killed themselves.

[142] Oh, he killed them.

[143] Yeah, he killed them.

[144] Right.

[145] And it's, it's just fucked up.

[146] Yeah.

[147] So if you're into that shit like I am, some new pictures.

[148] Sorry, I had an update.

[149] No, please.

[150] And this one, lots of people have been said.

[151] and I appreciate it.

[152] We actually talked about it at L .A. Podfest, but the journalist Kim Wall that I did that story about, that the guy built Peter Madsen who built his own submarine, and then she was a journalist who went to do the story about it.

[153] She wrote around in this harbor with him, and then she ended up disappearing.

[154] He said that she hit her head and that he dumped her body at sea, and then a bag of her body parts were found, floating in the ocean, including her decapitated head with no injuries on it, which means she did not hit her head.

[155] And now Peter Mattson is being looked into for unsolved murders in Norway and Sweden.

[156] Uh -huh.

[157] I didn't know that.

[158] Yeah, that's brand new.

[159] That's a story on AP from 10 hours ago.

[160] Oh my God, that's fucking I love when, I mean, I don't love one.

[161] You know what I mean.

[162] No, well, just that this is developing.

[163] Yeah.

[164] This is an unlike, so many things where we're like, and then we just never hear about it again.

[165] This is still a developing story.

[166] And I think it's because so many journalists loved her and she was a well -respected journalist.

[167] And there's not a lot of murders there, it seems like.

[168] So it's in Norway or Sweden or wherever this.

[169] This was Denmark, I think, right?

[170] Listen.

[171] Look.

[172] Speaking of Denmark and Norway, we are, okay, I'm not going to fucking go down our tour dates because everyone's sick of it.

[173] I will say that next Wednesday, October 18th, my sister's birthday, we did it on purpose so I could be out of town.

[174] Great.

[175] We're going to be in Minneapolis on Wednesday.

[176] That show's not sold out.

[177] So if you want to go to that one, next Wednesday.

[178] 8 o 'clock?

[179] Probably.

[180] Do you have the theater?

[181] Northope, Northrop, Auditorium.

[182] Great.

[183] Yeah.

[184] Go to that.

[185] And, oh, and then next week, we're finally able to announce our winter tour dates.

[186] Oh, that's right.

[187] So everybody that's been tweeting and messaging us saying, come to this place, come to that place.

[188] Next week, you're going to find out where we are going to be going in 2018.

[189] Right.

[190] And it's going to be places we've never been to before.

[191] Sorry, Chicago.

[192] And we're going international again.

[193] That's right.

[194] So hold onto your butts.

[195] Get ready, Malaysia.

[196] Just kidding.

[197] Oh, and then I also wanted to mention really quickly, and then I'm fucking going to shut up, that please don't the 13th what's that this Friday is it Friday they're fucking fucking the new series and I'm this is not an ad I'm really excited about this the new series the new series on Amazon for lore the podcast oh yeah love comes out that's amazing I am so fucking excited for this show it's that's so cool I know they horror stories and origin stories stories of folklore is the podcast you haven't listened you should it's great um but they're doing like it's like it looks like it's animated and also documentary style and but it looks really creepy and cool and there's a i think episode two is about the dude who was like the king of lobotomies in the 50s the one of the ice picked people and cut his fucking sleeves off of his um what's it called sleeveless fucking scrubs yeah you douche yes yeah i'm excited that's amazing So they basically go into and talk about, it's like the NPR version of...

[198] It's like a visual episode of lore.

[199] Right.

[200] But in a really cool way, I'm fucking excited about that.

[201] I remember when they announced that they were making that show.

[202] Yeah, it was like a while ago.

[203] It's so exciting.

[204] Turns out shows take a while to make.

[205] I had no idea.

[206] They do.

[207] I'm really excited about that.

[208] Fuck yeah, podcasts.

[209] That's very cool.

[210] Similarly, there's another show that's out.

[211] It's on Cinemax.

[212] It's Mike Judges, tales from the tour bus and this is completely off of any topic of true crime or anything this is purely a joyous thing my judge is making and it is people who toured worked for had anything to do with country singers of the of the past telling stories about working with them so the first issue yes exactly we're just in general yeah the first episode is johnny paycheck who is the guy that wrote take this job and shove it oh yeah and it and it it's amazing the guy was in he was a lunatic it's animated for the most part with old footage as well yeah it's yes exactly so they'll get they'll show you pictures of the album covers and some real things but then most of it is animation and it's all these band members hairdressers relatives it's so great telling stories so there's so far they've done johnny paycheck george jones and tammy winette and jerry lee lewis which is crazy fucking married his child because That's right.

[213] She was 14.

[214] She's on it.

[215] She talks on it.

[216] Shut up.

[217] Yeah.

[218] I need to watch that.

[219] She's, it's like she's in her 60s now or something.

[220] I just remember as a kid, great balls of fire, that movie about the biopic movie.

[221] Sure.

[222] It's not a thing.

[223] I loved it.

[224] We went and saw it at the movie theater.

[225] It was so great.

[226] It was so much fun.

[227] I loved it.

[228] It was pedophile.

[229] Yeah.

[230] Why were they letting me watch it, parents?

[231] Well, it was a different time.

[232] And that's why we're trying to make America great again.

[233] Can I tell you what I did watch the other.

[234] Oh, sorry.

[235] That's okay.

[236] Speaking of a file.

[237] When I did watch the other day, and I hadn't realized how long ago it had been since I watched it was Silence of the Lambs.

[238] I've seen the ending a million times, but I hadn't actually watched the first part of it.

[239] It's so good.

[240] I want to cry.

[241] Catherine Martin, FBI, you're safe.

[242] I didn't understand any of it back then.

[243] You know what I mean?

[244] You mean when you first watched it?

[245] Yeah.

[246] Like, I didn't understand how she figured out how he knew who Buffalo Bill was and how this and how that.

[247] you know why i looked up what year it came out and i saw it in the theater and have seen it a million times i was 11 years old oh shit when i watched buff or i watched signs of the lambs in the fucking theater that's hilarious she he threw come at her face yes he did and i was like what was that georgia the idea that i didn't know how could they let me watch that no wonder i have a fucking true crime obsession it's true that's so funny because you were 11 watching that down in irvine I was 21 in Sacramento.

[248] And we watched it at the Tower Theater.

[249] And I remember this thing rolling out in front of me. And I had already read the book.

[250] And I was watching it.

[251] Every second of it, I was just like, this is the most movie.

[252] This is the best movie ever.

[253] Like, I was losing my mind.

[254] So happy.

[255] So happy.

[256] Amelie was my Star Wars, I think.

[257] Because I was like a hipster 19 year.

[258] I'm like, I love her.

[259] I want to be her.

[260] That movie's amazing.

[261] That movie holds up.

[262] Oh, for sure.

[263] So charming.

[264] Yeah.

[265] Yeah, Signs of the Lambs.

[266] Thanks, Mom and Dad.

[267] You've ruined me now.

[268] Look at me. I'm the best.

[269] I pick loving myself over photos.

[270] Do it.

[271] I'm trying.

[272] It's just that I had a really good day of loving myself up until I opened Twitter and saw this picture where I'm like, am I in denial that I'm going bald and just not seeing it?

[273] What the fuck happen?

[274] And then I'm like, oh, that's right.

[275] It's my gray roots.

[276] Yeah.

[277] Fuck.

[278] Fuck it.

[279] Fuck everything.

[280] Fuck it.

[281] Fuck it.

[282] Fuck the world?

[283] Yeah.

[284] Fuck it.

[285] I mean, look.

[286] My friend Molly said on the phone the other day.

[287] She was like, I mean, the bomb's going to drop, right?

[288] So let's do this thing.

[289] She was talking about like, it's flirting with a barista or something like that.

[290] And then I was just like, oh my God, you're so right.

[291] Yeah, nothing matters.

[292] We're on a clock here, people.

[293] Nothing matters, but water is currency.

[294] Water is currency.

[295] Let's have some peak experiences before things go to shit.

[296] You know what I mean?

[297] Peak experiences and like someone, something someone on their way to Burning Man would say.

[298] Totally.

[299] We're about to have a peak experience.

[300] Let's try to get out there every day.

[301] And if your peak experience is drinking nine bottles of wine, do it.

[302] My peak experience is staying at home and chilling out and watching.

[303] Oh, I paid.

[304] Oh, my God.

[305] Okay, last thing.

[306] I swear to God.

[307] Vince was gone all week out of town.

[308] So I was like going to be my fucking natural self, which turns out the most disgusting, like, person.

[309] like the sheets had been taken off before we left and I didn't ever put sheets on my bed I just slept on the random sheets I threw on top of so you were kind of squatting in your own house I was squatting I'm gross it was terrible and then one night I was like I'm staying home and drinking whiskey and I want to watch cold case files and then I get a text from then saying you're watching cold case files and I realized it was because I had just spent $20 on season one of cold case files on our Amazon and it's under his name and so it emailed him to let him know that his wife just spent $20 to watch season one of Cold Case File of a show that probably if you put it into your DVR it would bring up 29 episodes of it.

[310] If you go to YouTube it's like here's everything for free and you're like no I'm going to pay premium no I want Bill Curtis to have that money I think he needs more brown leather jackets and I'm going to be the one that buys them for him I owe him he has narrated our lives he's narrated my life.

[311] He has brought a somber and reasonable attitude to some terrible, terrible murders and crimes.

[312] Yep.

[313] And he's been there for us.

[314] Thank you.

[315] Bill.

[316] I mean, he let us know that justice was right around the corner.

[317] Oh my God.

[318] I love cold case files.

[319] Okay.

[320] Was he the host of cold case five?

[321] You know what's weird?

[322] Danny Glover was originally the host.

[323] No. What the fuck?

[324] Excuse me. Swear to God, except fact check that, Stephen.

[325] like swear to almost i think but you know it's going to be some actor that's like super similar but i can never remember who's whom yes who's whom though you do remember to say whom i mean i'm that stupid uh oh i should say this the northern california wildfires are intense and crazy and huge swaths of where i grew up is burning down right now oh my god if you have spare money and are looking to give it and there's one million places to give it these days Puerto Rico obviously is in dire need, but also there are people in Northern California who literally have nothing right now.

[326] So I'm obsessed with those photos, which is terrible, but in a fucking...

[327] The comparative ones of the neighborhood and then the neighborhood's gone.

[328] And it's just like the thought of your house being turned to fucking ash.

[329] Yeah, and those people, the people that's like there's a neighborhood slightly north of the main city of Santa Rosa, but Santa Rosa is the next city up from Petaluma.

[330] That's where we used to go to the mall to get close for school.

[331] You had to go to the next city up.

[332] And the neighborhood, it's like a little bit north of that of the main city.

[333] The people were woken up at 1 .30 in the morning with people just saying run.

[334] They didn't get any kind of emergency.

[335] Like it was just panic, grab whatever you could and run out of your house as your, as like the flames were coming.

[336] Did you ever think about like aside from pets, obviously, what you would grab?

[337] Yeah.

[338] It's pictures, I think, mostly.

[339] Like my computer, that's the good thing is my sister started packing tonight just in case, because there's still more fires.

[340] And everybody now just wants to be ready.

[341] But we were like, everything's on the computer.

[342] Like, pictures are now on computers.

[343] Like, there's a couple old things.

[344] I love this house, but like, I love my shit, but it's all just chotchkes.

[345] It's all.

[346] That's what I said to my sister.

[347] I go, we can replace anything in your house.

[348] Grab anything that's irreplaceable if you can.

[349] Yeah, I guess there's a photo album.

[350] I don't know, whatever.

[351] You guys, stay safe.

[352] Yeah.

[353] Oh, look at Stephen.

[354] What did you got, Stephen?

[355] Oh, nice.

[356] Oh, hello, Redwood Credit Union.

[357] They have a North Bay Relief Fund, 100 % of donations go to fire victims.

[358] This is, it's basically if you go onto the website of the Redwood Credit Union and then go on to North Bay Fire Relief, they have its own separate page.

[359] and then there's just a donate button.

[360] And that's so awesome because it's, that Redwood Credit Union has been in Northern California since I can remember.

[361] And all of your money goes to the relief.

[362] That's beautiful.

[363] So that's awesome.

[364] That's so cool.

[365] Thanks, Stephen.

[366] That's great.

[367] Hey, this is exciting.

[368] An all new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[369] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[370] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[371] Who killed Saz?

[372] And were they really after Charles?

[373] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[374] This season, murder hits close to home.

[375] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[376] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[377] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[378] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[379] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfenakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Dayvine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[380] Only Martyrs in the Building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[381] Goodbye.

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[402] Goodbye.

[403] Are you first or my first?

[404] I think it's you.

[405] I think it's me too.

[406] Oh, yeah.

[407] Yeah, yeah.

[408] Are we counting that?

[409] yeah we're counting what happens to us we're counting what we decide yeah exactly and i'm gonna go first all right have a peak experience with this one all right it's october everyone's favorite month it's fucking Halloween time listen let's do this it's like you're giving me a sales pitch in a voice that says i'm not interested i'm not interested in working with you well i did this murder because i wanted to do it and then i realized i could fucking tag it on to the fact that it's Halloween time.

[410] Oh, yeah.

[411] But it's very loose.

[412] So I don't, I'm not, I'm not married to it.

[413] You know what I mean?

[414] Got it.

[415] And I also watched this, the way I actually did think of doing this is I watched this movie on Netflix, like a Netflix movie that I had heard nothing about called Little Evil that ended up being so fucking good.

[416] Oh, good.

[417] It's basically if the kid from, like, if Satan's spawn, the spawn of Satan had a mother and the mother was Evangeline Lilly, and she married a man who became the spawn of Satan's stepdad, and it is Adam Scott.

[418] Oh.

[419] And it's so charming and so cute and funny.

[420] I don't know how this just like went under the radar.

[421] And Bridget Everett is like his sidekick.

[422] Wow.

[423] It's such a charming movie.

[424] So it's like it's like comedy?

[425] It's a dark comedy.

[426] That's awesome.

[427] It's so good.

[428] So please go watch it.

[429] And then I thought, oh, that's fun.

[430] So here is.

[431] Here's the story, the real story, behind the Amityville Horror.

[432] Yes.

[433] You ready for this?

[434] Okay, just really quick, and I know I've said this a thousand times, the hardback book of the Amityville Horror, so it's shaped like a paperback, but it had a hard white cover.

[435] Huh.

[436] Was the book in my grammar school library that I checked out so many times Sister Rita Rose got mad at me?

[437] I forgot that it was.

[438] that book, and now I feel like I've stolen a murder from you.

[439] You have not?

[440] Okay.

[441] And I celebrate this, and I'm thrilled.

[442] Okay.

[443] I want to tell baby Karen, a little Karen, about this story.

[444] Well, she's right here.

[445] Well, I'm going to tell her right now.

[446] No, I don't want you to.

[447] That's what she's like.

[448] All right.

[449] So, of course, everyone knows about the Amityville horror, the movie.

[450] It's this haunted house.

[451] It's like, you know, inhabited by Satan and all this bullshit.

[452] But, I don't know.

[453] People maybe don't know that it's actually based on an actual story that happened before the haunting.

[454] That's right.

[455] I was a huge fan of the book.

[456] Me and Sister Rita Rose.

[457] What I loved about the book is the fact, or this story, whether or not it's true, is it starts out as, oh, they find out this horrible thing happened in their house.

[458] But then they find out that there's something else going on.

[459] But that could completely be for like the book and movie.

[460] Who knows if that part is real?

[461] I'll fucking tell you.

[462] feet.

[463] Yeah.

[464] There we go.

[465] All right.

[466] So the family, the Defeo family, they consist of Ronald Defeo Senior.

[467] He's 44 and his wife, Luis, 42.

[468] Ronald is a car salesman at the family dealership.

[469] Super fucking successful.

[470] Mob ties?

[471] Maybe.

[472] Perhaps.

[473] Probably pretty much definitely.

[474] I mean, don't all Italians have mob ties?

[475] Oh, my God.

[476] Oh, no. She just defended a quarter of our listeners.

[477] How dare you?

[478] So the random fucking car dealership is doing so well in Brooklyn that the Defeo family is able to move from their apartment in Brooklyn to a three -story colonial in the charming town of Amityville on Long Island, about an hour outside of the city.

[479] Do the whole thing in that voice.

[480] Okay.

[481] I was trying to be a real estate agent.

[482] Oh, that's fun.

[483] That's why you put that neckerchief on.

[484] And bake some cookies.

[485] Yep.

[486] All right.

[487] They chose this home.

[488] And as you saw on the cover of the Amityville book, it's a piece of Americana, two stories, plus an addict.

[489] It's huge and sprawling.

[490] There's a boathouse right on the Amityville River.

[491] And out front, they put a sign post that says, high hopes, basically naming the house.

[492] So it's this gorgeous, huge colonial house.

[493] It has eyes.

[494] It looks like it has eyes because it has these two windows up in the attic.

[495] like, that look like guys.

[496] Yeah.

[497] So the oldest of the Defeo children is Ronald Butch Defeo Jr. He's born on September 26, 1951.

[498] Ronald Sr., the dad, is a domineering man. He would fucking pick fights with his wife and children.

[499] He was physically abusive.

[500] And the target of a lot of this abuse was Ronald Jr. I'm going to call him Butch, partly because he was the eldest, so there's a lot of expectations on him.

[501] And then it said that he would beat the shit out of him.

[502] You'd throw him against a wall and hit his head.

[503] So there's the head injury aspect that we all know in love.

[504] So as Butch gets older, he starts fighting back.

[505] And he's also known as a bully at school.

[506] He's just like angry, mean kid.

[507] Bullies get bullied.

[508] Bullies are bullies because they've been bullied.

[509] So the parents, they try to take him to Butch to a psychiatrist.

[510] he fucking refuses to go oh and so instead they're like let's just appease and placate him and they start buying him anything he wanted and giving him money like that's their solution i bet it worked right i mean you know what the only way we would know if someone would do it to us that's where we should try it is all i'm saying what a bizarre plan i mean like because i understand that they were rich but that i feel like never in the history of man has that worked oh clearly it's never worked up but I understand especially back in the 70s it's like well here's what we'll do if he's never unhappy he's never going to get mad right you know right and uh so they start buying him a bunch of shit including a 14 000 speed boat when he was 15 14000 dollars today would buy you a nice car back then can you imagine this okay so these people something happened and they're swimming in money why would uh the the the sun the son's owner of a car dealership in Brooklyn have that much fucking money.

[511] I mean quality salesman.

[512] Just he's really friendly and he's got a couple pinky rings.

[513] Not just one like normal car salesman, but a couple.

[514] Well, let's the other thing too is he looks like Tony Soprano.

[515] Yeah.

[516] He's got that big, bulky, you know, um, intimidating presence.

[517] He's kind of, uh, you know, he speaks like a Long Islander word, which I will refuse to do.

[518] Hey, the parkways over buy my pocketbook.

[519] It's a lot of that kind of shit.

[520] Why is there a parkway by his pocketbook?

[521] It's those are the two words that remind me of Long Island.

[522] Because my friend Vicky, I used to work with my friend Vicky, who is from Long Island.

[523] And those are the first like two things I heard her say on like one of the first days that we worked at Ellen together where I was like, where are you from?

[524] There's no such thing as a parkway out here.

[525] Yeah.

[526] And pocketbooks, wallets.

[527] Stop it.

[528] Calm down.

[529] She also used to always say food shopping.

[530] I'm going to go food shopping.

[531] where I'm like, that's just shopping.

[532] You know, I don't care.

[533] You don't have to specify.

[534] Yeah.

[535] No, we get it.

[536] It doesn't matter.

[537] I just got my food shopping done.

[538] How about you?

[539] I just went shopping for food.

[540] How about you don't tell me about your fucking errands?

[541] Just how about we all do it.

[542] I love you, Vicki.

[543] Italians, Vicky, and Long Islanders.

[544] Vicky Ernst.

[545] Apologies in advance.

[546] Boop, boop, boop.

[547] Okay.

[548] Of course, not surprisingly.

[549] It only made things worse.

[550] And by 17, Butch had become an LSD and heroin user.

[551] Oh.

[552] Which is like heroin in the 70s.

[553] Crazy, right?

[554] That's when it was really organic.

[555] It was just a gorgeous golden brown.

[556] It was like a pure trip.

[557] It was more of, it was what the Native Americans did around that area.

[558] It's like a piece pipe, but with heroin injected into your arm.

[559] I do feel like, though, people were so naive about drugs in the 70s.

[560] Like, my friend Jerry had a story about doing.

[561] I think they called it window pain which is that intense acid from the 70s where she said they were tripping for days and every day they saw the whole world in a different color so the first day it was red and the second day was purple and I was kind of cool but I don't want that it sounds it makes me sick to my stomach no I was thinking that too it's just like won't ever end and that was just like because they walked home from school and a guy was like hey do you want to buy this acid oh he loved it he loved making them trip that hard oh fuck that Crazy.

[562] I ate crayons as a joke once when I was on LSD.

[563] Let's not talk about it.

[564] My friend and I were like, let's chew these crayons up and see what happens when we spit them out.

[565] I bet it would be really pretty.

[566] Oh my God.

[567] Cut this immediately.

[568] Was it pretty?

[569] It was gorgeous.

[570] I wore a vinyl dress to my own Christmas party and I was answering the door and people were like, are you okay?

[571] And then I realized it was because I was so cold my lips were blue.

[572] But I was like, this outfit is amazing.

[573] I look like I'm from space.

[574] hosting a party on that's not a good idea never ever don't do drugs okay don't do drugs everybody um expelled from school as well so at so at 18 he's expelled from school and they're like you know what you know it'll fix him let's give him a job at the family car dealership yes let's do that there it is let's not give him a lot of responsibilities and let's give him a large salary boom sorry you're reading me the donald trump story what's happening ooh oh political you better be careful I liked them until they got political.

[575] The fucking mom.

[576] Okay, so he's the boss's son, asshole that's coming in on a full salary, but doesn't have to do anything.

[577] The boss's son, and then the boss's boss's grandson.

[578] Oh.

[579] And he's just like, pay me, motherfuckers.

[580] How about you pay me?

[581] And he looks like, he looks, and he's probably the original Brooklyn hipster.

[582] He looks like this Brooklyn hipster.

[583] Sideburns.

[584] What more do you need?

[585] Sideburns, beard.

[586] like 70s garb but it's because it's in the 70s right you know what I mean it's not just like fucking uh bedbug used outfits from a thrift store right it's the real deal it is real so okay um blah blah blah he's he uses the money the salary he makes to buy guns alcohol and drugs and continues his shitty behavior which included runs with the law blah blah blah okay once during a fight between his so his mom and dad were fighting meaning the dad was like fucking bullying the mom.

[587] Butch points a 12 -gauge shotgun at his father and pulls the trigger.

[588] The gun malfunctioned and didn't fucking shoot.

[589] Oh, my God.

[590] So this guy's out of his mind.

[591] So in the weeks before the murder, this thing happened where it's 1974, Butch is given the job of depositing more than 20 grand in, from the car dealership to the bank.

[592] They're like, go to the bank, deposit this.

[593] Use your boat.

[594] Use your boat.

[595] which is like why are you giving this kid that money and not surprisingly he reports that he had been robbed at gunpoint while he was waiting at a red light but he had actually planned the mock robbery and at first the dad seemed to believe it but when the police showed up to question him which is like stick with your story bro he fucking loses this shit and is super pissed off and refuses to cooperate and then so his dad realizes something isn't right and he thinks his son is up was up to it um and butch threatens to kill him so to kill the dad again yeah now a week later cut to the early morning hours of november 13th 1974 the family is sleeping and butch goes around with a shotgun so the first shot he goes into his parents room they're sleeping on their stomachs the first shot hits ronald senior in the back uh tearing through his kidney and exiting through his chest.

[596] He fired another round into his back and it pierces his father's spine and lodged in his neck.

[597] He's dead.

[598] Then he shoots his mother twice as well.

[599] It shatters her rib cage, collapses her right lung.

[600] And physical evidence shows that Luis's mother was awake when she was shot.

[601] Like she went to turn around to see what was going on.

[602] They're both on their stomachs when they're found.

[603] Then Butch goes into his sweet baby brothers.

[604] rooms, Mark who's 12, and John Matthew, who's 9, and shoots them both while they're face down in their beds.

[605] And then he ends by shooting his sister's point blank versus Allison, who's 13, and he shoots her in the face, and then he's young, and she's killed instantly.

[606] And then he turns on his sister, Dawn, who's 18, and shoots her in the head blowing off the left side of her face.

[607] So fucking brutal with a shotgun.

[608] So, just after 3 a .m. in a span of less than 15 minutes, Ronald Butch Defeo Jr. had brutally slain every member of his family.

[609] They were all found lying on their stomachs in bed.

[610] Um, Butch showers, trims his beard, gets dressed in jeans and work boots.

[611] And then he collects his bloody clothing and the rifle, wraps him up in a pillowcase.

[612] And, uh, on his way to work, he disposes of the pillowcase and everything in it by tossing them into a stream, a strew warm.

[613] drain.

[614] I spelled that wrong.

[615] Tossing them into a storm drain.

[616] And that's where the clown from it was waiting.

[617] That's the scariest thing I've ever heard in my life.

[618] Why did you say that?

[619] Well, that's what I think of when I think of storm drains.

[620] Totally.

[621] That or that or JFK being killed because they arrested someone in a storm drain right after it happened.

[622] No. Yeah.

[623] We'll get, you know what?

[624] Maybe I'll do it one day.

[625] Shit.

[626] I'd never heard that.

[627] Yeah.

[628] Every time I walk George my dog she if we walk there's a storm drain that we always walk by and she always has to go and stick her head down in it no and every time i'm like if that fucking clown from it is in there i am going to lose it she's going to get her head chumped off by what a clown she loves it in there so many smells so many raccoons okay then tosses it in a storm drain then goes to work at the car car dealership at 6am oh all by himself yeah yeah goes to work at the family car dealership at the family car dealership and i think they were like what are you doing here at 6 a .m it's weird anyways like you know me butch how much i love working yeah getting along with people want to get an early start come on i got my boots on my jeans my beard is trimmed so throughout the morning he keeps saying like i don't know why my dad my dad's not here yet so he keeps calling home um he leaves work around new and he spends the day with his friends and to secure an alibi he tells them that he couldn't seem to reach anyone at home to let them know that he's like trying and hey look no one's no one's answering yeah he ends up at a bar real close in Amityville real close to his house and then it's like hey guys I'm going to go check on my family it's so weird that I haven't heard from them and then at 6 .30 that night he burst back into the bar and yells you gotta help me I think my mother and father are shot So, Butch and a small group of people from the bar went to the home, and they found the whole family dead in their beds.

[629] When the detectives questioned Butch about who could be a suspect in the murders, he told them that he believed that a mafia hit man named Louis Felini may have been responsible and that his whole family was like in with the mob and that they had wronged the Felini family in some way and they were pissed off at him.

[630] so he then gives them the alibi if I've been gone all day and when I left the house this morning my whole family was I think they were still alive so they the police take him into protective custody while they search for the suspect but when they searched the house they found an empty box for a recently purchased 35 caliber marlin gun that's for you gun people in Butch's room And when the timeline came together, it placed Butch at home at the time of the homicides, not after he left.

[631] So when they question him, he begins to change his story.

[632] He says that Fellini had appeared at the house early that morning, put a revolver to his head, and dragged him from room to room as they murdered his family.

[633] Him and an accomplice murdered his family, making Butch watch.

[634] Then eventually under questioning, he broke down and confessed to killing his family.

[635] saying once I started, I just couldn't stop.

[636] It went so fast.

[637] On trial, his defense lawyer, William Weber, tried to prove that he was insane, saying that he heard demonic voices that told him to kill his family, but the psychiatrist for the prosecution proved that he suffered from antisocial personality disorder, which doesn't mean you're crazy.

[638] The illness made him aware of his actions, but motivated by a self -centered attitude.

[639] And even at one point during the trial he threatened to kill both his own lawyer and the judge they put him on they put him on the stand and this dude is just like fucking crazy as shit yeah he well it seems like that's his solution to a lot of problems is I'll kill you yeah yeah which really you know as we're learning is not is a non -solution yeah it's this thing of like people pretending to be crazy to get uh the the verdict of insane and it's like no you're just proving what a piece of shit you are and you're also understanding that you need to plot this out so it makes you look sane because you understand reasoning and plotting yes there's not the insanity part isn't there it's but you are clearly either a sociopath or just the most rotten spoiled child of all time like is that where spoiling children can get you yeah because that should be a PSA all those kids that are fucking screaming out loud in restaurants it's like get a hold of it now yeah or you're going to go the route of the mr butch to fail amen or at least something close and it's or you're just annoying everyone else around you and like i'm trying to eat in peace yeah just no screaming how about the rule of no screaming no screaming no screaming and if your child is screaming take them outside or how about you glare at your child no one wants you to hit them no but how about a good icy.

[640] My father used to stop us in our tracks with the look on his face.

[641] Oh, my God.

[642] Like, you've gone too far.

[643] Also, he was very large and intimidating.

[644] So I'm sure he only had to look at us.

[645] We'll be like, ugh.

[646] And you just like, you sit exactly where you were.

[647] This is not going well.

[648] Stop right now.

[649] Yeah.

[650] I love it.

[651] So on November 21st, 1975, the jury finds butch guilty on six counts of secondary murder.

[652] He sentenced to six consecutive life sentences.

[653] But all these questions, and this is like one of the reasons why this murder is still big to this day and people still debate it when it's clear that he just, this fucking crazy dude on acid and heroin who was a piece of shit narcissistic asshole just killed his entire family.

[654] There are things that are weird that make people question what really happened and think that it didn't happen that way.

[655] So one of them, which I totally understand and want to know the answers to is how did he shoot six people in four different rooms without any of them waking up or trying to escape.

[656] And they're all on their stomachs when they're shot.

[657] So no one turned over to be like, what the fuck was that?

[658] Like they were drugged?

[659] Well, that's what I thought too.

[660] Okay.

[661] No drugs in any other systems.

[662] Really?

[663] Oh.

[664] Yeah.

[665] And no neighbors heard the rifle blasts at all.

[666] And this is a fucking rifle.

[667] Yeah.

[668] The defense experts conducted an experiment on the Marlin rifle and I found that it's report.

[669] Report?

[670] Report?

[671] Report.

[672] Report.

[673] It's spelled report, guys.

[674] It's just a report.

[675] Its noise was so loud that it could be heard almost a mile away.

[676] It's a rifle.

[677] Yeah.

[678] So how did none of the neighbors hear it?

[679] And you can see photos.

[680] They weren't that far away the neighbors.

[681] They were like literally next door.

[682] I mean, he must have done, I mean, like, then did he put rum in something?

[683] I mean, like, he must have affected them in some way, right?

[684] But how do the neighbors not hear it either?

[685] Oh.

[686] Oh, like silencer.

[687] No, nothing.

[688] No. There's no silencer.

[689] There's no drugs in the system.

[690] Alcohol, I doubt it either.

[691] Well, but I mean, could there be a silencer that they didn't find?

[692] I don't know.

[693] I'm putting it out there.

[694] I'm going to say yes.

[695] I'm putting it out there.

[696] Even though I don't know.

[697] Rifle silencer.

[698] It's probably Satan.

[699] Could be Satan.

[700] Yeah.

[701] It is weird.

[702] Everybody's sleeping on their stomachs.

[703] Why isn't one person sleeping on their side?

[704] Like a normal human being.

[705] Or did he, you know, There's this, the obvious answer to me is that he went from room to room and was like, stay down.

[706] There's someone in the house and like warn them that like don't move.

[707] I'm going to protect you.

[708] Maybe.

[709] But then why wouldn't the dad get up and then why would the neighbors hear the shots?

[710] He went and killed the dad and the mom, went into the kids room.

[711] I was like, you guys stay in here.

[712] Something's happening.

[713] Ooh, that's fucked.

[714] Okay.

[715] Stay on your, well, why stay on your stomach?

[716] Stay on your stomach because I'm weird.

[717] You know what?

[718] else he could have walked in the room and they were sitting up and he said lay down on your stomach and then shot them because he didn't want to see their faces when he killed them true but he shot one of his sisters in the face he did maybe he was particularly hateful of that sister maybe which is it is a thing that they fought a lot too don the older sister who was 18 well but then there's also the oh sorry are you doing more theories which one are you going to do the theory that dawn was his co -conspirator and she shot people let's go to that one okay let's go to the tapes so years, it wasn't until years later, though, that Ronnie changed his story again while he was in prison and said that his sister, Don, was involved in the murders.

[719] Now, listen, Ronnie makes up so many stories that you just, they're all bullshit.

[720] They're all bullshit, but here they are.

[721] That she had actually planned the murders with him to kill their parents after they had a huge fight with them.

[722] But they had no plans to kill the siblings.

[723] And then, so she went to kill the parents.

[724] And when he found, found out, Ronnie found out that Don had also killed the kids.

[725] She was so pissed off.

[726] He was so pissed off.

[727] Um, she had wanted to eliminate them as witnesses that he wrestled the gun from her and shot her in the head himself.

[728] So the only person he was guilty of killing was this murderer, his sister.

[729] I mean, that sounds like absolute bullshit.

[730] Absolutely.

[731] Absolutely.

[732] Okay.

[733] Yeah.

[734] I mean, it's just, it sucks that we can't get any information about what their home life was really like from anyone but Defeo and secondhand, you know, boyfriends and friends saying what it was like.

[735] But from all their accounts, it wasn't good.

[736] Yeah.

[737] So who knows?

[738] And then it was reported during the original police investigation that traces of gunpowder were found on Don's nightgown, indicating that she may have fired a weapon.

[739] But I guess it's also proven that if someone shoots you at close range, you can get that as well.

[740] Yeah.

[741] Then he claims that his sister, Don, shot, his father, then says their mother distraught over that, shot Don and her three youngest kids so that the mother, that Don killed the dad, the mother killed Dawn, Don and the other three youngest children, then shot herself.

[742] And then when, when Butch found out he flies into a rage and fired one bullet at his wounded mother who had just shot himself.

[743] so the only person you shot was the like it's just but all that happens way later he said he makes his stories up later no no i get it i'm saying like the reason that doesn't fly is because of laying down on the stomachs thing yeah like all you can't have that kind of chaos and then everyone end up in the same position i mean it's just like such a far -fetched theory it's stupid like to believe it is idiotic especially with only the fucking testimony of a fucking crazy person who's trying to get himself away from any responsibility of what happened.

[744] Yeah.

[745] It's, it almost sounds like somebody he like was sitting in jail bored and he's like, maybe they'll listen to me if I just make up a new story.

[746] Totally.

[747] Totally.

[748] So in 1975, let's get to the fucking haunting shit real quick.

[749] Also total bullshit.

[750] In 1975, now we're in a fight.

[751] Karen the Catholic.

[752] This is my favorite story.

[753] You can't say it's bullshit.

[754] I'm sorry.

[755] it's my favorite i know i want to believe it so much too but the more i'm reading the more i'm like i know and the movie when i was a kid scared the shit out of me i also looked up when that was made and i was like nope too young to have watched this what like 82 something crazy like that i don't know stephen look it up because that would mean i was only two that's the jim roland movie right where he's the beard and he's like super nuts a gorgeous movie they keep going to that digital clock that it's like three yeah 12 or whatever time it was that it happened 15 or something yeah and he keeps waking up.

[756] All right.

[757] So it's based on the fact that George and Kathy Lutz, they buy about a year after this, they buy the Defeo house for 80 grand.

[758] They knew about the murders, but they were like, it's cool, we don't believe in shit.

[759] Stephen.

[760] 79.

[761] Then I wasn't born yet.

[762] 79.

[763] So I watched it in the womb.

[764] I think I watched it on like a Friday night.

[765] Yeah, it was on TV.

[766] No, it's a, because I remember watching it in my aunt's living room.

[767] room and I wouldn't have watched it when I was nine.

[768] Yeah, it was on TV.

[769] We must have been home alone, turned it on, and then I wanted to kill myself.

[770] It was like a creature feature thing.

[771] Yeah.

[772] You're just like, what's this?

[773] Yeah, it terrified me. Remember the flies on the window?

[774] The flies in the window, wasn't there a scene where, like, all the, they were standing outside of the house when they had left it and all the lights were flicking on and off and all this crazy shit was going on inside?

[775] Yes.

[776] That scared me more than anything I ever had until I watched it.

[777] Wow.

[778] I mean, it's not that big of a deal.

[779] I was a scaredy cat as a kid it's a very big deal thank you all right okay so they buy the house they're like no big deal it's a we got a good deal on it so george and kathy and their and kathy's three kids from a different marriage moved in that doesn't matter uh then weird shit starts happening what's happening what it doesn't matter i mean i didn't it doesn't i don't need to specify that she had three kids from a different marriage you know it was just like it's fine okay like i don't want to shame her like she's oh she's a divorcee with three kids you know what i don't know why i did that like i'm not judging it seems like information you're trying to convey i don't need to it's unnecessary and it seems so they were born out of wedlock no they were born i'm just kidding listen let me tell you about her life okay she was a tramp okay so they have a priest come to bless the house he said he felt an unseen hand slap him yes in one of the rooms and heard a voice saying get out get out um they said that they had crazy things happen like windows lock windows and doors would lock inexplicably and then open and close a devilish creature was seen outside the window at night george was seemingly quote possessed by an evil spirit and green slime oozed from the walls and ceiling the family uh there was operations of hooded figures clouds of flies i think i already said that um cold chills personality changes sickly odors objects moving about on their own and then the youngest let's child a little girl became friends with a devilish pig uh evil demonic pig imaginary friend called jody yeah um jody the pig jody the pig good old jody the pig good old jody the pig And then Kathy reports that she was often beaten and scratched by unseen hands and that one night she was levitated off of her bed.

[780] Shit.

[781] And then George says his wife was physically transformed into an old woman with the face and hair and wrinkles of a 90 -year -old woman, which I'm like, that's insulting.

[782] Keep that to yourself.

[783] You know what I mean?

[784] Like when Vince is like, you have too much makeup on?

[785] It's like, shut up.

[786] You know what I mean?

[787] But it was demonic forces.

[788] It wasn't just like, I fear you.

[789] I fear your old age in the future Okay And then he'd wake up at 315 Every morning When the murders happened So just 28 days after they moved in They fled the house They left all their clothes in the closets And food in the refrigerator By the way, when they bought the house It had all of the Defeo's furniture Still in it except for the mattresses Where the kids were fucking murdered on No way So what the fuck is wrong with you people Like redecorate man Like the real estate agents Like you can buy this as is.

[790] Yes.

[791] And it's a bargain.

[792] You know that murder house in those feel us that's been fucking closed up forever?

[793] Yeah.

[794] Like can you imagine buying it?

[795] Be like, well, this is great vintage furniture.

[796] Just leave it.

[797] Yeah.

[798] No. Well, you'd have to really sage that thing.

[799] Yeah.

[800] You'd have to really clap those corners.

[801] You'd have to light some sage and then light the house on fire with it and burn it to the fucking ground.

[802] Go ahead and take that insurance check.

[803] Yeah.

[804] And buy yourself some mid -century modern furniture.

[805] Then figure your shit out.

[806] Yeah.

[807] And stop.

[808] Buy a McMansion.

[809] Um, okay.

[810] So they end up publishing the account of the hauntings in a book that was written that they worked on with Jay Anson called the Amityville Horror, True Story, which we all know and love.

[811] Published as nonfiction in 1976 sold up more than 6 million copies.

[812] Film version comes out, huge box office success.

[813] The Lutz has become famous.

[814] They later admit it was a hoax.

[815] No!

[816] Yeah.

[817] Concocted with the help of Butch's defense lawyer, William Weber.

[818] Remember him?

[819] who was like, no, he's crazy.

[820] He heard demonic voices.

[821] So they said it wasn't ghosts.

[822] They had all these fucking psychics and mediums come in.

[823] I was like, there's no ghost here.

[824] It's demonic possession.

[825] Which I believe in ghosts, sure, fine.

[826] Let's have it.

[827] But demonic possession is fucking stupid.

[828] I don't know.

[829] Famous last words.

[830] So William Weber's angle was...

[831] Georgia just turned her head all the way around.

[832] And then I vomiting your face.

[833] William Weber, remember, trying to say that is you basically using this account who by the way they said that they came up with after a few bottles of wine oh my god i forgot that part with the luses that to like to prove that the house was possessed and so was butch and he was not responsible basically um yeah that's why the family was killed so Ronnie's still in prison all of his appeals and requests to the parole board to date have been denied and that's the Amityville horror and the murder of the Defeo families.

[834] It's so...

[835] The question of how he got those, that family killed in that manner is so vexing and so fascinating.

[836] Which way that they're on their stomachs?

[837] Just that like, yeah, how do you take a rifle and shoot six people or five people and have people not here and have the people not wake up and have, you know what I mean?

[838] that's the weirdest part by the fifth person in the family they've heard now four gunshots and they know that their older brother is fucking crazy yeah like that's the thing too especially don who is 18 and grew up with him it's like they know their brother is crazy and and the whole town was like as soon as they found out what happened was like well butch did it like everyone fucking knew he was crazy yeah so but in the amdevil horror book they talk about this red room that's in the basement and how it's filled with evil and all this stuff and I was so fascinated by this it's almost like they centralized where the evil was coming from yeah and like people tried to go in there and they would get crazy headaches and all this weird shit would happen I was so fascinated by that it doesn't exist it I'm sorry it exists Karen in your mind Karen it's this in your heart it's all it's fine I feel like at the heart of every story like that is is I know People want to go like, oh, my God, the devil has been here and there's flies on this sewing room window.

[839] But at the end of the day, the truth of it is, a spoiled asshole drug addict killed his family, which is the thing people can't face because it's not a monster.

[840] And it's a real person.

[841] How could someone kill children?

[842] Right.

[843] Who had nothing to do with any of this.

[844] It's like.

[845] So you'd rather be like, the devil did it.

[846] Exactly.

[847] Yeah.

[848] Yeah.

[849] It's easier.

[850] Yeah.

[851] Oh, honey, I'm sorry.

[852] Oh, what a story.

[853] I love it.

[854] I can't believe I didn't do that.

[855] I know.

[856] I can't believe I did.

[857] It didn't even cross my mind that that was the story.

[858] I don't know why I was thinking of the omen as that story.

[859] Oh, yeah, because he's the, he's this for you.

[860] He's got the mark.

[861] The book you checked out.

[862] I totally forgot.

[863] Oh, yeah.

[864] Girl.

[865] But I mean, it makes it even worse that you could check that book out.

[866] It was so scary.

[867] It was horrifying.

[868] Oh, my God.

[869] It was very detailed.

[870] And, I mean, the nun that was mad at me was the scariest part of all.

[871] Right, right.

[872] I did my usual thing where I was watching, on Tuesday, I was watching true crime shows all day.

[873] And then I'm like, well, I didn't do anything today.

[874] So I better pick one of these an episode of one of these things and do my murder from one of these shows that I just watched.

[875] Right.

[876] And actually, a ton of people told me this and I knew it, but I didn't realize they were saying.

[877] So there's a show called Murder Maps on Netflix.

[878] And it's basically all these murders that have taken place in London, or I think England generally, but mostly London.

[879] And most of them are really old.

[880] And it's such a good show.

[881] And the guy that's the narrator host, I think his name is Nicholas Day, is so dramatic and awesome.

[882] And it's just great.

[883] I love it.

[884] And so there was, I'd already watch the first two seasons.

[885] So every time people would be like, you've got to watch murder maps.

[886] I'd be like, girl, I've been there and back.

[887] Well, there was a season three, and I didn't know.

[888] I think that's what people were trying to tell me. Yeah.

[889] I'm going to try to be a better listener.

[890] So that's what I was watching.

[891] And so this is the story of Neville Heath, the lady killer.

[892] So I'm going to take you.

[893] Oh, also I just want to say, so it's this episode of murder maps, there's a guy that's one of the talking heads.

[894] And his name is Neil Root, and he wrote a book called Frenzy, colon, Heath, high, and Christy.

[895] And it's basically about the three British serial killers that were caught after World War II.

[896] And there, John, Christy, I can't remember if I did him or not, but he's that guy, I don't think I did.

[897] He's really fucked up.

[898] I can't remember what the other guy is.

[899] And then the third guy is my guy for this.

[900] And it's just fascinating because there was, maybe the high guy is there was somebody that during World War II, during like the Blitz, when London was getting the fuck bombed out of it.

[901] I read about him.

[902] He was killing people.

[903] Like in an alley or something like that.

[904] Yes.

[905] They would find bodies and they would assume, oh, this must be another thing from the bombing.

[906] What a dick.

[907] Victim.

[908] The victim, thank you.

[909] Trophy.

[910] It's been a long day.

[911] It's been a long day.

[912] Okay.

[913] So anyway, this is, these were all really good stories.

[914] But this guy was especially interesting.

[915] I love it.

[916] I'll give you a little history, as they do in murder maps, to kind of set the scene.

[917] Yes, please.

[918] May 8th, 1946, it's victory in Europe Day, is what they called it.

[919] So finally, World War II is over.

[920] And England and London specifically have just gotten a shit beaten out of it.

[921] Oh, yeah.

[922] It's pretty amazing how badly London was bombed and made it.

[923] If you go look at, there's a lot of those photos of before and after.

[924] yeah and it's insane it's insane and what i really loved and that what this show is really good of doing is they started talking about how um like how it affected the culture because so for like you know over six years basically all of the men left went off to fight war all of the women took over their jobs um i never knew this um but in that time uh uh uh uh of all the like women had like hard labor jobs and they were talking about it in the setup of this and women what's the women built the waterloo bridge in london no way and when the guy when the narrator says that in the show it cuts to this live black and white footage of all these women sitting in basically what looks like men's work gear smoking cigarettes and like sitting on the bridge yeah as like taking a lunch break from building it dude and that's what happened you know as everybody knows like all the men were gone so women became truck drivers women worked in factories made bombs did all the went into the army themselves like it's kind of amazing so then when the war ended and all these soldiers came back they thought they were just going to take their jobs again and like everything would be normal but this culture shift had changed that was so radical where women were like well fuck you we had to do it out of necessity and now we're like we can do it and also why didn't you tell us pants we're so comfortable yeah how dare you keep pants from us for this long only the horse ladies got pants that's bullshit so so i think that's kind that part is very exciting where it was like a woman's movement purely by necessity where they were it's the whole we can do it thing where it's like not only can you do it you're fully going to do it and then you're going to want to keep doing it even though men are back and they're like now I work at the factory and they're like get the fuck out of here buddy they didn't do that but it was a hard uh you know uh of course soldiers had a hard time reacclamating in all ways but then especially culturally because this was a world that they didn't live in before they left or women were just like yeah i'll take care of it and they're traumatized i mean they'd seen horrible things and everyone was desensitized now that they had all lived through those who lived through this horrible time in life.

[925] They said that, because, you know, like true crime and crime has always been huge, especially in England.

[926] And in, I don't know if it's George in England.

[927] In like early 1800s, England, it was really popular.

[928] But after World War II, people in, you know, people who had watched their neighbors be blown up by bombs or lost their brothers and husbands and, you know, boyfriends in the war, it all become incredibly desensitized so they weren't people didn't shy away or like death and murder were not taboo anymore they were very interested in it because now it was like what's not happening to me that makes sense so they're finally like oh i can read a story where it's not me with the bullet coming at me it's like this happened and it's not in the fucking battlefield and all this exactly it's like a huge almost a bigger relief right so that's kind of like the world they live in one of the people oh and also the this is just an interesting aside and they had video of these guys the true crime reporters of the time from all those major newspapers in london they themselves became famous because the stories they reported were getting so popular they called them the murder gang and they were like reporter of the crime reporter from the sun the crime reporter from the you know whatever all those newspapers are it was kind of the beginning of british tabloid reporting and the true these true crime guys were like big time the true crime gang the murder gang oh that's what i meant yes i could feel that um so they were kind of like local stars one of the guys that came back at this time was a man named neville heath now he was not like he although he was um very good looking he kind of looks like the actor patrick wilson you know that guy he's like blonde kind of wavy hair cleft chin he was in like little children he was in um he was in all the conjuring movies he plays that yeah he's great he this guy looks like that guy he is a tall beautiful blonde man who had gone off and was in he had uh joined the r a f in 1937 when he was still a teenager but he had um he came from like a nice middle class family always had problems with criminal behavior always he's petty theft doing little things here and there.

[929] When the war effort started, he was like, I want to be a pilot.

[930] And so he joined the RAF, but then he stole funds from the mess hall.

[931] And he ended up going AWOL because he didn't want to face it.

[932] And he kind of slowly developed into a con man because he was, he could talk his way out of anything he got people, like people kind of fell in love with him all the time.

[933] blonde people with fucking chin clefts a blonde with a chin cleft and like I bet you he had a very deep soothing voice like I used one of those people that just like never didn't have a good thing to say watch out for those guys that watch it um he also so he was he was doing all kinds of uh like he he was eventually caught from going AWOL by trying to apply for credit by fraud so he was using all these aliases yeah um he sounds like james bond kind of yeah like a bad guy james bond yeah okay like one of a james bond villain yes in the making but good looking were there any were there any james bond villains that were good looking male i don't fucking know um that's a different podcast it's called james bonding demographic yeah he called himself major rupert brook he called himself lord dudley of course he did so he was trying to apply for credit in under these false names got caught that's how he got arrested he went to a boarstall which is I don't it's a jail but I don't know why that's different than a normal jail I just feeds you shittier food probably that's what it is it sounds like they send you to Russia it sounds like there's like hay on the ground in your cell oh that's a horse stall you're thinking wait at one I click this live link and tell you that a Borstall is a type of youth detention center.

[934] So he was so young, he was going to a youth detention center.

[935] We knew that.

[936] I knew that.

[937] Don't act like I didn't know that, Georgia.

[938] We were testing you guys, you listeners.

[939] But here's the problem.

[940] He flourished in jail.

[941] He, he, he, he, um, there's a psychopath test.

[942] He, he's a full on psychopath.

[943] Does you flourish in jail?

[944] He flourished in jail, the guy, the governor of the jail.

[945] They're called the governor who is basically like the warden of the boys jail.

[946] kept giving him leadership duties and eventually supported his application for the Air Force in 1939.

[947] He sounds like he could have been a really successful person if he had just not been a dick.

[948] If he hadn't been a cheater, cheater, pumpkin either.

[949] Happy Halloween, everybody.

[950] We are on theme.

[951] This is a themed episode.

[952] We are not Evergreen.

[953] We are of the moment.

[954] He tried to re -enlist in the Air Force when the governor, um supported out of application the air force was like no thanks criminal we you tried this already pal and you get that one shot yeah he joined the royal service corps and he was stationed in the middle east and um over there he did all this his same business like he had keep doing it the second he got there he pretended to be a man oh no i'm sorry when he in the middle east he got court -martialed he he basically stole got court -martialed was sent home in disgrace and on the boat ride home he jumped off the boat like the boat docked in south africa he got off and bailed um and escaped essentially and then started calling himself uh captain sellway in south africa and uh captain so fun so far i mean yeah he had a good time with it he had a limp and a monocle as captain sellway And our guy, Neil Root, was like he was just an actor.

[955] Like he was, he got super into these roles and he became the people.

[956] Dude, he's an adventurer.

[957] Until he kills people.

[958] Until, yeah.

[959] So, let's see, I lost my spot.

[960] Be -bo, but that's when you say, Pidoo dot.

[961] It really helps.

[962] I can't steal your bit.

[963] No, it's not.

[964] That computer -wise gets me down to my spot.

[965] That helps.

[966] It really helps.

[967] Thanks, Stephen.

[968] He joins the South African Air Force under the name Lieutenant Colonel James Armstrong.

[969] Okay.

[970] Which is kind of amazing.

[971] It's so long ago that you could join like a government agency and they'd be like, we haven't caught up to you yet.

[972] We don't know.

[973] Or you could be like, here's my title.

[974] And I'm like, okay, great.

[975] There's no way to check this.

[976] Goodbye.

[977] Yeah.

[978] But it's like, what was it written on a fucking napkin?

[979] Like it doesn't make sense.

[980] And he's just like, no, this is who I am and everybody trust me. But it's like he's smootalker.

[981] All you have to be is confident and people fucking believe you.

[982] If you're beautiful, the world is your oyster.

[983] Wouldn't that be nice?

[984] I mean, let's keep it positive.

[985] So, he flew missions as lieutenant colonel James Armstrong.

[986] But then finally they found out that he was this criminal guy.

[987] Because he couldn't fly a plane, maybe.

[988] He was like, meow.

[989] He was like into, I get.

[990] you know, at the time, it was like World War II, and it was like, the Air Force pilots were the shit.

[991] Oh, for sure.

[992] They were the hot hotties.

[993] So he just wanted a slice of that.

[994] Amen.

[995] He got deported back to England.

[996] He arrived in January of 1946.

[997] He tried to go to the London School of Navigation because his ideas all be a commercial pilot.

[998] And he actually went, studied there, worked really hard, tried.

[999] And then near the end, they found out about all of his court marshals and all his bullshit from the army and basically being a criminal and they told him you will never be a commercial pilot and he they kicked him out so his family thinks like he's telling the story of like oh i was a pilot in the army and now i'm going to be a commercial pilot and everybody don't worry about it so now um he can't tell them that he none of that's going to work out because he can't keep his hands out of the till so he lies to them and then i think that's part of like the pressure starts mounting.

[1000] And what he ends up doing is drinking and going to dance halls all the time.

[1001] Sounds like a blast.

[1002] Right.

[1003] And he's, of course, a huge womanizer because he's beautiful.

[1004] Or good -looking, let's say.

[1005] He's no Paul onions.

[1006] Can I just say really quickly?

[1007] Vince told me a story the other day when we were on the plane on the way home from Australia.

[1008] And he saw that like Riz Ahmed, there was like a TV show with Rizumet on the, plane and he walked by and said Riz Ahmed's on TV and you heard him say Riz Ahmed's in C1.

[1009] Yes.

[1010] That's right.

[1011] Why did you guys tell me about that the minute we got off the plane?

[1012] I had no memory of that until you just said it right now because he was walking by and just said it in that Vince way like fast and kind of like did that.

[1013] Check out Riz Ahmed.

[1014] Yeah.

[1015] And but the excitement he said it like the look on his face was like Riz Ahmed's here.

[1016] Yeah.

[1017] And then I was like in my pod all half asleep and weird and I'm just like we want it doesn't matter it's not I mean I'm not sure there are some people that would go and squat by their seat you would have sat on his lap the rest of the way home I not only would not have sat on his lap I would have had a mean look on my face in case he saw me and been looking at the ground the entire time you know what kind of shitty friend I am but like the best kind of friend is I would have been like let's walk by him and then I would pushed you into him.

[1018] Yeah.

[1019] You know, so it looks like you bumped into him.

[1020] You're the perfect wingman.

[1021] I am such the wingman.

[1022] Because you're going to work against all of my serious problems, which is the best way to flirt is to act like you're angry and walk away.

[1023] Which has not panned out well.

[1024] Just act like a human and speak to the person.

[1025] No. Moving on.

[1026] So Riz Ahmed.

[1027] Riz Ahmed is back in England.

[1028] Okay.

[1029] No. So Neville Heath is.

[1030] he's under pressure he's a failed he's a failed pilot he's not he's acting and can you know hold himself to be this person but he actually doesn't have any of the cred um but he's so he's meeting a bunch of women he takes a room at the pembridge court hotel in notting hill gate which is the street the main street in notting hill that one i did look up okay notting hill the film that makes me crazy because why does he like her?

[1031] Why?

[1032] Why?

[1033] Why anything?

[1034] That's true too.

[1035] Okay, so he actually checks into this hotel using his real name.

[1036] He just added the fake title, Lieutenant Colonel.

[1037] But his real name is on the books.

[1038] Does those even go together?

[1039] I don't know.

[1040] I certainly don't know.

[1041] Can you be a Lieutenant Anna Colonel?

[1042] I mean, I would believe him because he did, one of the things he got in trouble for when he was in the Army was misusing uniforms and medals, which is like that stolen valor thing.

[1043] Get your story straight.

[1044] I mean, he's just like, it's like, go be, go be an actor in the theater, you fool.

[1045] That's what you want to do.

[1046] Yeah, all the ladies.

[1047] You can imagine.

[1048] All the single ladies.

[1049] All the single ladies.

[1050] Okay, so when he's, um, he's at, he has taken his hotel room.

[1051] He's out at a bar one night and he meets a woman named Yvonne Simmons.

[1052] He takes her out to dinner.

[1053] He starts to romance her and he's trying to get her to come back to the hotel room with her, with him, and she won't go.

[1054] And so he proposes to, And so she's like, okay, I will.

[1055] No. So she goes.

[1056] Yvonne.

[1057] She buys it.

[1058] He sells it in a way that she can buy it.

[1059] She goes and fucks him.

[1060] And the next day she goes back home to Bainbridge, Bain's Bridge, where she lives.

[1061] I think either with her parents or her parents also live there too.

[1062] And now she thinks, oh, I'm engaged.

[1063] And like, that's my fiance.

[1064] This is an episode of downtown abbey.

[1065] I mean, it really isn't the sad.

[1066] A sad, dark, down -nabby would not be a bad idea.

[1067] Yeah, what's it called?

[1068] Downerton abbey.

[1069] I was going to say something else, and that's better.

[1070] Down -Rton -Avy.

[1071] Thank you so much.

[1072] It's just goth.

[1073] Everyone's goth.

[1074] It takes place in the middle ages.

[1075] Bless you.

[1076] Don't you dare edit that outst to you, and don't fucking take a note.

[1077] Leave it.

[1078] Listen, we are real people.

[1079] Oh, my God.

[1080] We have thoughts and feelings and sneezes.

[1081] Okay, okay, go.

[1082] She goes back to Bainesbridge.

[1083] Four nights later, Neville meets a woman named Marjorie Gardner.

[1084] Now, she's an artist.

[1085] She's 32 years old.

[1086] She was married to a terrible alcoholic who she's separated from.

[1087] She's from a middle class family, but she has led a what they call a bohemian lifestyle.

[1088] Good for her.

[1089] Yes, exactly, right?

[1090] She wears pants.

[1091] Exactly.

[1092] She grew her hair long and put a scarf in it.

[1093] fuck her she also as they quote say in murder maps they're like she enjoyed the freedoms the new freedoms offered to women by the war so basically pants sex pants and sex and cigarettes and if you want build a bridge love can build a bridge so she meets neville at a bar um same deal he takes her out to dinner then they go to the Panama Club, which is some private club he belongs to, or so he says, they leave the Panama Club at 1220, and they go back to room four at the Pembridge Court Hotel.

[1094] The following day, the assistant manager enters the room because the maid can't get in.

[1095] And so he comes up, opens the door, and Marjorie Gardner's body is naked on the bed, cover to the neck with sheets, her ankles are still bound her there's marks on her wrist to show that they were bound but that the um restraints had been cut she um had been gagged there were 17 lacerations um on her body caused by a whip oh my god she'd been punched in the face at least twice oh my god um nipples savagely bit no no no no no i know that's a bad one she and also to me the worst one where she had been raped and then and in instrument had been inserted inside her vagina.

[1096] So I think they said it was like a bottle opener.

[1097] It's horrible looking.

[1098] Basically an incredibly brutal and savage attack on this woman.

[1099] Is there a crime scene photo of it?

[1100] Not that I saw.

[1101] Okay.

[1102] Not that I saw.

[1103] Okay.

[1104] But there's a very upsetting reenactment because the woman looks a lot like the picture.

[1105] They show the picture of Marjorie and then this actress they got to play her looks almost exactly like her.

[1106] So it's very real.

[1107] That's so crazy that supposedly that was his first murder.

[1108] Supposedly.

[1109] Because that's true.

[1110] It's not.

[1111] It can't be.

[1112] Like, we all know that that's not your first murder if it's that.

[1113] Yeah, there's a gap of time where he goes from, I mean, in Bezor, I steal.

[1114] I basically no rules apply to me. That early kind of psychopath shit of I want to get whatever I want, no matter what, and I don't care.

[1115] But then it goes from there.

[1116] And then there's all that time where who knows what he did.

[1117] he's in South Africa.

[1118] He's in the Middle East.

[1119] Yeah.

[1120] You know.

[1121] He's breaking.

[1122] He's clearly, he got, you know, a, you know, discharged from the army for, for reasons that they're saying that they're these crimes.

[1123] But who knows what the fuck he did?

[1124] They could be like, we don't want to, we don't want to advertise what else.

[1125] Or they just don't know.

[1126] They just caught him for one thing, but he could be guilty of anything.

[1127] Fuck, man. That's brutal.

[1128] So the thing is, and ultimately, they find she was suffocated with a pillow.

[1129] That's how she actually died.

[1130] Neville, he there's nowhere to be found, obviously.

[1131] Since he's signed in under his own name note, though, now he's on the run.

[1132] Which means he didn't, it wasn't premeditated.

[1133] No. You know what I mean?

[1134] That's a very good point.

[1135] Why would you?

[1136] Especially since he's so tricky and uses so many aliases everywhere in his life and goes so far as to pretend to have a limp and wear a monocle, that why would he then here do, fuck, up something pissed him off and he snapped he snapped he snapped um maybe who knows well what he does do is takes the train to bainbridge and goes to meet his brand new fiance evan's parents evan so evan he's like guess what i'm coming to visit like everything i said was real i wasn't just super drunk he goes to the parents golf club and has dinner with the family then they leave and they go out to another club for drinks um and he realizes he has to give her his explanation of what happened in that room because she was in the room with him and that he knows the story is going to come out that marjorie gardner was murdered okay so he tells yvonne that he met a man who asked if he could borrow his Neville's hotel room key so he could go fuck a lady and Neville was like sure no problem buddy take my key and I'll just go walk around the streets whistling with my hands in my pockets all night and then that basically that the murder was some other guy killing Marjorie and he was just the unlucky fella that gave his key to somebody.

[1137] What are the chances?

[1138] I mean the answer is insane um the next day the newspapers are filled with his picture and pleased to turn himself in and so the family sees it um all these people see it he writes the police a letter explaining to marjorie i mean explaining that he'd lent marjorie the room key he went out for the night and then when he came back he found her dead body so he changes the story slightly to the police which we all know is a red flag city you read flag city and also apparently he wrote these letters all the time the nil root guy talks about how Neville Heath would write letters all the time after he did stuff kind of explaining what his deal was and oftentimes it would lead people to go that's okay I understand now and let him off the hook that's how he got out of things and one of the theories is he had been doing these things for so long and getting away with it that he kind of thought he was untouchable and he didn't ever believe he just didn't he thought everyone would always believe him because they always did because people want to believe pretty people they do believe pretty people yeah over fucking not pretty people absolutely you get away with shit and people fucking get charmed by you it's charm it's that thing of when a certain type of person looks at you and presents a thing yeah like there are people who just know the power of their own face or their own voice or their own well they don't know that's just what they're used to in life right they think everyone gets treated like that and everyone can do this thing right it's a it's quite a combination of like when you have a psychopath that's good looking like you know all doors are open you fucked you fucked hello the devil so it's my new musical so okay um he in this letter to the police tells them he's he found the whip that she was injured with and he was going to bring it with him when he came to talk to them no and then just and that's it so they're like okay But they, um, he's now operating under false names again.

[1139] So he's still, he isn't going back to the police.

[1140] He's, so he checks in on June 23rd.

[1141] He checks into the Tolerd Royal Hotel in Bournemouth under the, um, name, the fake name, group captain Rupert Brooke.

[1142] No. Yeah.

[1143] He always, he always has to have two military names before the fake name.

[1144] Um, okay.

[1145] So, and this is like about two.

[1146] The murders happen.

[1147] He's on the loose for two weeks, essentially.

[1148] And he's walking around Bournemouth.

[1149] And he meets a woman named Doreen Marshall.

[1150] She and her friend are also walking around.

[1151] It's, I think, Bournemouth from what I remember, but this could be wrong.

[1152] But I think it's a seaside town.

[1153] From what I remember from murder mouth.

[1154] Let's fucking go with it.

[1155] Stephen's going to tell me whether or not.

[1156] I think I'm right, though.

[1157] But I think it's like, it's like a little, he got out of town, basically.

[1158] He went to the vacation spot.

[1159] Mm -hmm.

[1160] I'm right.

[1161] Okay, thank God.

[1162] Because I can't have British people angry at me. I can't.

[1163] Because they're just stern.

[1164] They won't yell at you.

[1165] No, they'll just be disappointed and friendly, which I can't take.

[1166] I need Irish yelling or nothing.

[1167] Okay, so he goes to Bournemouth to get out of town.

[1168] He's walking around, but he is a voracious.

[1169] He's, they call him, eventually they end up calling him the lady killer because he's just this womanizer that then, of course, is literally a lady killer.

[1170] he meets this girl Doreen Marshall and he won't leave her along he's like on her all day long and at first she's into it of course because it's the good looking army captain or whatever he group captain and then she fucking senses he's a creep yes fucking gut feeling tingling yes and also because he can't I think people like that they can only keep that certain level of charm going for so long so once he's it's like if you're especially if you're not going with the direction he's trying to take you yeah then he started getting real pushy and real insistent and in the hotel room I mean in the hotel lobby um he was getting really pushy with Doreen yeah and the night manager of the hotel actually saw it happen and saw her going into a panic about it and that night manager was the last person to see her alive oh no so he saw some kind of weird exchange between the two of them noticed it noticed how weird enough to notice yeah how unhappy she was and made a note of it so the next day um the the man the manager of the taller receives a call from the norfolk hotel um which is where durian was staying like on a different side of town and they called because she was last seen at that hotel getting into a cab to come to their hotel and she never arrived and never came back and I guess the friend was like that's what i'm assuming the friend was like you have it's like we have to figure out where my friend went yeah and um the staff at the taulin were becoming very suspicious of group captain rupert brook because of all these things they were seeing him you know these vibes they were getting from him and the behavior um so finally the police meanwhile putting all these things together put together that neville heath and um rupert Brookard the same person and so um uh he had he he said he was from um some some like air force base in uh a place it's a city in London no no no it's like Leicester okay but I think it's Leicester one of you ever cared I know but But suddenly I'm holding my hair about it.

[1171] I know you are really troubled.

[1172] It's probably like Leicester.

[1173] Lightchester.

[1174] Lightchester.

[1175] Yeah, that's probably what it is.

[1176] Yeah.

[1177] Oh, they're so mad.

[1178] I can hear the tea spilling across this ocean right now.

[1179] We'll cancel our trip.

[1180] We'll cancel our shows there that we're not.

[1181] That's a secret reveal.

[1182] Ooh, deep.

[1183] That was, um, what do they call those?

[1184] A, uh.

[1185] Deep cut?

[1186] No, a, um.

[1187] Spoiler.

[1188] Easter egg.

[1189] Yes, an Easter egg.

[1190] God damn it.

[1191] Okay, the police, it's the thing I said of coming back into, the police realized Neville Heath and Rupert Brooks are the same person.

[1192] And Rupert Brooks, sorry.

[1193] And so they also find in his room a train ticket for Doreen Marshall, the whip with hair on it that was then traced to.

[1194] What's up with a whip?

[1195] Marjorie Gardner.

[1196] I know, that's fucked.

[1197] That's like a really specific weird thing.

[1198] Yeah.

[1199] And it's very like South African, I'm in the Air Force, I'm wearing jawed purrs, I have a whip, I have a pith helmet.

[1200] Right.

[1201] But you had to have it on you.

[1202] You know what I mean?

[1203] So like you didn't just grab something and hit the person with it.

[1204] You like had your whip.

[1205] Yes.

[1206] You know?

[1207] And like this is what you were into.

[1208] Right.

[1209] Which also then goes like, did he snap or was this a build?

[1210] What did you?

[1211] Yeah.

[1212] or the thing of like he brought it out and she wasn't into it and so he attacked her it's like no he he got off on well she's and marjorie was tied up so like was it fun times tied up and oh look i have a whip or was it like and then it all goes bad sure okay honey so um a waitress walking her dog sees a strange swarm of flies down near the beach so then later on when she sees the story of Marjorie Gardner's death in the paper she grabs her dad and goes back down to that part of the beach to check out what the swarm of flies are and there Dorian Marshall's body is found nude arms tied behind her back stabbed to death that chick was a vintage murderino she was the ridge a ridge murderino because she had to make that connection where she was like, I'm sure there was a weird smell, too.

[1213] If there was a swarm of flies, but she kind of saw something.

[1214] It's a bird or whatever the fuck.

[1215] That's right.

[1216] But she was like, dad, let's make sure.

[1217] And he's like.

[1218] And she's smart enough to not go, I'm going to go make sure by myself.

[1219] Yeah.

[1220] She's like, hey, dad.

[1221] Father power.

[1222] So what he, what Neville Heath had done when he was out of his hotel room, um, he went back by Klein.

[1223] climbing up the outside of the hotel up of what they say call a builder's ladder on the side of the hotel and he basically snuck into his own hotel room probably because he was covered in blood and had shit all over him and knife and all that stuff because he had he had murdered Doreen but he then the next morning told the story in like the lobby with other hotel residents as if it was I pulled this prank on like the doorman so he tried to make it he was basically trying to establish this motive of I was doing this fun, funny, crazy thing with the doorman.

[1224] That's what I was doing last night.

[1225] And that's what you're going to remember.

[1226] So when the police questioned him, he claims that he blacked out.

[1227] He has no memory of what happened during that night.

[1228] He says that he came to on the beach looking at his bloody hands, that he washed his hands in the sea and then walked back to the hotel.

[1229] But what it turned out happened was he took her down to the beach, attacked her, murdered her there.

[1230] And before he murdered her, he took off all his clothes.

[1231] So that when he was, because he knew he would be covered in blood.

[1232] So when he was done stabbing her to death, he went in, washed himself in the sea, and then came back out and put his clothes on.

[1233] That's how you know he knew what he was doing.

[1234] Exactly right.

[1235] Yeah.

[1236] Not a snap.

[1237] Nope.

[1238] In this situation anyway.

[1239] Planned.

[1240] pre planned when you're you're like I want to murder somebody but I don't want my clothes to get dirty yeah fuck you dude yeah okay absolutely fuck you dude on September oh then he of disposed of the knife the ultimate proof that you're not insane sure September 24th 1946 the murder trial begins his lawyers tried to claim insanity um and they they did it by revealing his previous crimes and then saying this is a progressive mania that then built to murder.

[1241] And then the Neil Root guy explains that you have to know what you're doing is wrong to cover it up, and that's the proof that it's not.

[1242] You can't do, if they can prove you try to cover it up, then that proves you're not insane.

[1243] I love that rule.

[1244] Yeah.

[1245] Because it applies to so few actual murders.

[1246] Yes.

[1247] Yeah.

[1248] And it's so clear.

[1249] It's like it makes so much sense.

[1250] um so he was found guilty and he eventually was hanged for the murders um holy shit but up until the end and this is kind of an amazing like final moment for that show that I loved apparently the thing they used to do before they hung you was they gave you a a shot of whiskey really like a glass you know it's like they're going to give you dental surgery or they're going to hang you right so you kind of got like one quick thing before you went and he said to the hangman considering the circumstances you might want to make it a double oh my god like to the end was this insane phony lunatic because that's the coolest line i've ever heard i mean it isn't bad i'll say that is clearly a charmer yeah the lady killer neville heath i don't know we don't do that we only do that live i forgot oh my god um I think because I really buttoned it and I felt like you felt like you had to do something.

[1251] Yeah, it was like, wow.

[1252] You say the title at the beginning and the end.

[1253] Whoa.

[1254] Oh, but I am going to tonight in my car by Neil Roots book, Frenzy, because this story and then those other three, like, the way all that information was coming out where you're like, this is why people.

[1255] It's like when that explanation of people during World War II, because.

[1256] becoming desensitized to fear and horror and death.

[1257] And then when the war is over, they still want to know the bad shit because they've already known the bad shit.

[1258] Distraction.

[1259] Yeah.

[1260] It's a distraction from your own woes.

[1261] Yes.

[1262] And they were saying, like, for the soldiers, it's a celebration that it's not them.

[1263] I think that's what it is for us today.

[1264] You know?

[1265] Like, we know these things can happen and all this horrible shit can happen.

[1266] And hearing about it makes it legitimizes it and makes it true.

[1267] And we're aware of it.

[1268] We're not trying to fucking shelter ourselves from shit because, man, life's a bitch.

[1269] Life's a bitch.

[1270] And we're so lucky.

[1271] We're so lucky.

[1272] And there's another book that I'm reading that's about murder in like the early 1800s in England.

[1273] That's when it, like, they would put it out on the broad sheets and it was really popular.

[1274] There would be like a picture.

[1275] Here, ye, here, ye.

[1276] Yeah.

[1277] And they glue it up to a wall or whatever.

[1278] Sure.

[1279] And it's a, I'll get the title of the book for next time.

[1280] But in that, the author was saying, um that it was it's like sitting inside a house when there's a rain a thunderstorm outside where you enjoy the raindrops on the window pane that's exactly it because you're inside in the warmth with protection that's exactly it or like when you're in an earthquake and you know it's not going to be that bad and you're just like this is so fucking cool and fascinating yeah because you because there's boundaries yeah yeah wow yeah that's fucking cool um pretty good one happy thing should we end on that oh yeah Botox no I'm kidding can you pause no don't pause don't edit that out but that's not my thing I mean it really is just um oh I'll say one okay we did the LA Podfest last weekend it was super fun we did a great show with KCRW where we got to be guest DJs so fun um we did our own live show i did the stand -up show it was like a hangout at the builtmore and we got to meet all these listeners that came specifically to the podfest and people drove in from far away people from Arizona um remember the guy last year that we met at la podfest his name was joe and he gave us those la corner's office mugs yes yes i still have mine well he came back again and gave us a travel mug and an apron also from the coroner's office and I went sorry remind me do you work at the corner's office he goes no I just love that they have a gift shop and there was just like we met so many cool people and actually got to like yeah for a second and talk to people it was really nice it felt very much like a like we're all just chilling yes situation right very fun and those and I will say for that stand -up show which I don't love doing anymore just because I don't work on it and whatever.

[1281] But that was fun because it's an audience of people who really love and care about comedy for the most part, for that podcast anyway.

[1282] So it was like they were with you the entire time.

[1283] Like it was it was so fun to do a set like that because everyone had the best sense of humor.

[1284] It's almost like they weren't waiting for you to make them laugh.

[1285] They were like, let's all enjoy this.

[1286] Yeah.

[1287] It's like how when we do ours where you already have the benefit of the doubt.

[1288] Yeah.

[1289] So everyone's ready to just go where you want to go.

[1290] Right.

[1291] No, I love that.

[1292] That's great.

[1293] It was, yeah.

[1294] So thank you, L .A. Podfest.

[1295] Dave Anthony, Graham Elwood, Chris Mancini.

[1296] It was super fun.

[1297] Yeah, it definitely was.

[1298] Give me one second.

[1299] What do I like about this world?

[1300] It just can't also be like selfish.

[1301] Like what?

[1302] I don't know, because yours was very sweet and giving.

[1303] Like being alone.

[1304] No, I think that's really good.

[1305] See you?

[1306] Of course.

[1307] can leave this list part in um so Vince was gone last week missed him love him it's so quiet and weird here without him but god there's something about being alone and just like watching whatever you want to watch and lots of farting and drinking you know drink having a drink and talking to your cats and like singing stupid songs and i just i really enjoy that a lot yeah in a way that's like doesn't mean I don't love Vince.

[1308] Oh, of course not.

[1309] You know.

[1310] No, no, no. I think it's almost like a resetting.

[1311] Yeah.

[1312] When you can just get a little, I mean, I've gone, you have to be careful, though, because then after a while, like, I think I have thin skin about it where I need, now I'm becoming that kind of person where, like, I need things to be a certain way because I'm so used to always only having things exactly how I want them, which isn't good.

[1313] Yeah, but then when you meet someone you really like, you're like, oh, I like the way he does that stupid thing.

[1314] Yeah, that's true.

[1315] You know, it's like, I had some, I had some greeting or some, like, saying I saw a long time ago that said, like, when you don't like someone, the way they eat pisses you off, when you like someone, they could spill food on you, and you'd be so thrilled about it.

[1316] Like something like that, where it just depends on the person.

[1317] Yeah, that's very true.

[1318] But there is something very zen about just, like, being in silence or just kind of doing what you want and not always for so long i really always had to have like three people around me at all times and um it's just kind of knowing yourself too and knowing what you would be like alone and your schedule and like how you would fall asleep at night which is apparently on a fucking naked bed with my fucking vintage comforter just and no sheets and no sheets covering me and you know it's kind of cool to check back in with yourself like that yeah i think that's really good yeah and then women came home i was like great i got to be a human again and I actually have to shower.

[1319] Yeah, he's very strict about that stuff.

[1320] Yeah, being alone.

[1321] Consider it.

[1322] Consider it for a hot second.

[1323] All right, well, thanks for listening.

[1324] Stay sexy.

[1325] And don't get murdered.

[1326] Bye.

[1327] Elvis.

[1328] Use your microphone.

[1329] Elvis.

[1330] Want a cookie?

[1331] Want a cookie?

[1332] Whoa.

[1333] The big yes.

[1334] You just blew doors on that one.

[1335] Bye.

[1336] Bye.

[1337] Yeah, we heard you.