#1441 - Hugo Martin

[0] two one what's up dude how are you good how are you first of all the game looks fuck it tell everybody who you are what you do oh my name is hugo martin and i'm the game director on doom eternal oh no the dragon it's back in let me tell you something folks we hugo just played some of doom eternal he showed us the game and show and and ran through the some of the first level holy fuck god damn it's so next level it's so next level graphics it's cool everything about it like the weapons the demons the way you kill them it's the most violent thing I've ever seen in my life it's awesome it's so ridiculous but it's like it seems like it's okay because it's violence against demons yeah totally and and we we we work hard on that like you never there's no cursing that I have three kids there's no cursing there's no sex I do want it to be something that my nine -year -old could play don't you think it's kind of crazy that you could rip people's heads off you could shove their arm down their throat you could cut them in half that's fine just Don't use any of those naughty words, kids.

[1] Yes, because I was joking with something the other day.

[2] It's like, when I'm with my kids, like, he's not going to go up to somebody and, like, glory kill them.

[3] But when someone says...

[4] Explain with a glory kill us because it sounds too much like glory hole and people are going to get really confused.

[5] So in the game, when you damage a demon enough, they will glow with, like, a shader on them.

[6] And that means you can go in to do a melee finisher, basically, which is like a melee attack, and you'll get health from it.

[7] And there's really, really cool animations.

[8] And melee, we should explain, is, like, with your own hand.

[9] hands.

[10] You can rip them apart or cut them in half with a sword or a chainsaw.

[11] Yes.

[12] And so crazy.

[13] Like when my kids see that, they're not going to do that.

[14] But when they hear someone use the F word, they're like, oh, I could use that in everyday life.

[15] And that sucks.

[16] It's a very interesting rationalization.

[17] I'm not buying it.

[18] But the game is awesome.

[19] It would be cool if you had an R -rated mode that you had to like enter in your security number, social security number or something.

[20] It'll unlock it.

[21] It shows you're over 21.

[22] That would be funny.

[23] That would be awesome.

[24] Or over 18.

[25] I feel like over 18.

[26] Yeah.

[27] And then you just hire your brother.

[28] Dude, get in here.

[29] I'll give you five bucks.

[30] I'll lock this pitch.

[31] That would be awesome.

[32] It's cartoonish violence, though.

[33] You could see it.

[34] It's very much like a cartoon.

[35] Yeah.

[36] And again, you're killing monsters.

[37] It's like walking dead when they spike them in the head.

[38] You can't do that to a person on TV, but you could do it to a zombie.

[39] And they're demons from hell.

[40] You're doing God's work.

[41] You have to.

[42] Yes, that's right.

[43] Something you have to.

[44] And we should explain that Doom was one of the very first 3D games.

[45] It was Castle Wolfenstein, right?

[46] That was like the first one with id software.

[47] We've had Carmack in before.

[48] He's no longer with his software.

[49] But who is, is Willett still there?

[50] No, he's not there anymore either.

[51] God damn it.

[52] What about Hollingshead?

[53] No. What the fuck, bro?

[54] How's it in his software?

[55] Marty Stratton.

[56] Change the name.

[57] You got a bunch of new people running it.

[58] Listen, whoever's running it, they're doing an amazing job because that game looks sick and I'm scared.

[59] I'm scared I'm going to get sucked into it.

[60] It's awesome.

[61] First of all, the gameplay and then just the beginning sequence, the in -game, like whole sequence looks like a CGI movie it doesn't look like gameplay like remember when we used to play games and he used to have that opening scene there was like a video and then it would go to the game totally game was crude this game is exactly like the opening scene which is so crazy no pre -rendered that everything those are the in -game assets that's how good they are the team is like insane the guys are true artists craftsmen you know like they just go crazy on the details and when you zoom in with the camera for the cinematics they completely hold up the rigging like it's like a feature film it's nuts are you guys there it is right now let's play the let's play the the old trailer this is the old trailer yeah this trailer's good just play it for people it's humanity's chance to repent against all the evil that hell can conjure and if you're just listening you got to see this on YouTube and if you're like I'm a grown -up but I I don't have time for this shit.

[62] I have an IRA and a 401k and I have kids.

[63] Me too, bitch.

[64] Me too.

[65] Save your people will not bring you peace.

[66] Only make the burden you carry.

[67] Worse.

[68] For millennia, we have survived.

[69] Made others sacrifice in the name of our prosperity.

[70] Who are you a human to defy our tradition?

[71] just listening this is just annoying music and noise but if you're watching it looks fucking sick watch this oh and it is bam right in the head angels oh there's angels too oh jesus oh shit so he's like the boss demon yeah yeah god damn this looks good doom eternal it looks I anticipate a massive waste of time for people.

[72] 3 .20, so that's when it comes out?

[73] Yeah.

[74] What's that?

[75] Nine days from now?

[76] Yes.

[77] Wow.

[78] That guy, if you're Bruce Lee, that is your Chuck Norris.

[79] Oh.

[80] Yeah, and you guys are going to.

[81] And the whole scene, actually, when you meet him, which is a little clip from that, it's really inspired by that scene.

[82] Is it Enter the Dragon or Return of the Dragon when he fights Chuck Norris?

[83] I think it's entered the dragon.

[84] Yes.

[85] You know, like when they square off in the Coliseum, like, you know, he comes out and he says some badass shit and you look at him and you're gonna fuck yeah yeah that's a fucking great scene that is a great way of the dragon is it really way of the dragon oh wow way of the dragon or for the star wars fans we say like it's like your obi one and that's your darth mall oh okay i like the first and now it's a little bit more it feels like i don't know star wars has become too disnified it doesn't really sync up with that that fight is badass though between obiwan and darth mall and oh man it's awesome yeah it's pretty badass yeah it's pretty badass yeah it doesn't before I went to shit.

[86] The fights in the prequels were amazing.

[87] They were really good.

[88] Yes.

[89] I've watched the one against Obi -Wan and Anakin like a million times.

[90] Like, I love that one.

[91] It's so good.

[92] And the lovin shit and they just go off on each other.

[93] And like, it's amazing.

[94] George described it in an interview that it would be like you would be seeing Jedi at their peak.

[95] That really in the first three Star Wars films, they were not at their peak.

[96] And in the prequels, you would see them in their prime.

[97] You know, like Hickson in his prime.

[98] So, like, that's what's so cool about that fight.

[99] They're just going off on each other.

[100] It's amazing.

[101] Yeah.

[102] Well, what you guys have done is create something that's going to ruin people's lives.

[103] I hope you're really excited about massive waste of time.

[104] I mean, we were talking before the show about video games and the addictive quality of video games.

[105] I have a real problem.

[106] I just can't play them that much.

[107] Yes.

[108] I can dip my toe in every now and then, and then I shake my head and I've got to go running or something.

[109] Because otherwise, it'll get the grip on me. Yes.

[110] They're too fun.

[111] Like, there's no movie that you're going to watch.

[112] It gives you the kind of engagement that your video game does.

[113] Because you're, like, in the movie.

[114] Yes, and it looks like a fucking movie now.

[115] And you see with the Glory Kills, like, you are your own fight choreographer.

[116] If you're sick of breaking the arm and shoving it in his head, then swing around from behind and cut them in half.

[117] You know, like, do anything you want.

[118] It's awesome.

[119] Now, as far as multiplayer, because I'm not really into playing games, the game game.

[120] I'm into multiplayer.

[121] So you, I promise, if you play the single player, what is unique about our single player is that, it will give you the same buzz that a multiplayer will give you because your opponents this time are the AI.

[122] And that opening level, that's white belts.

[123] You're messing with like easy dudes.

[124] Later on, it will continue to level up.

[125] And as you saw, like, that guy that comes out with the axe, like, again, he is as tough as you are.

[126] So you will get the same feeling from the single player that you do from a multiplayer experience.

[127] That's not really possible.

[128] See, because what I like is duels.

[129] I like, like, in Quake Champions, I like playing duels.

[130] You know, that's what's fun for me. Like one on one, like me and Jamie would get barbecued and we'd come here and we'd play for hours.

[131] Just one on one, you run around the map and collect your rocket launchers and your ammo and armor and shit and just fuck each other up.

[132] We have a multiplayer with cold battle mode that is fucking awesome.

[133] Like it's really, really good.

[134] And then...

[135] Is it like quake multiplayer?

[136] No. No, it's different.

[137] It's very unique.

[138] The last multiplayer we made was not super well received.

[139] It was a really competent, good multiplayer.

[140] What was that?

[141] I was just doomed 2016's multiplayer experience, but it really wasn't innovative enough.

[142] Like, fans wanted to see us, like, do something new.

[143] So we basically took the single player experience, that combat loop that you'll master, and then we give you a way to do it with your friends.

[144] It's a 2V1, so it'd be, you know, two of you guys versus one guy gets to be the slayer with all the guns.

[145] And it's really, really cool.

[146] And then there's invasion.

[147] So, like, you'll play the single player campaign, and then someone can become a demon, like Jamie could become a demon, and then invade you while you're playing.

[148] And you won't know where he is, and it'll just come out and try to fuck with you.

[149] Like it's really cool But is there any one -on -one multiplayer?

[150] Invasion's kind of one -on -one But battle mode the closest we come to the one -on -one is 2V -1 Oh, okay, that's weird Why decide two versus one instead of one versus one?

[151] It's just unique, you know, it's the balance there No one demon can stand against the slayer, you know The Doom guy is all powerful He's got all these, you know, he's right here He's got all the guns and the mods He's got eight guns Why are his bicep exposed?

[152] It seems like a vulnerability.

[153] It's like a, kind of a comic pretty much is it if someone comes on cuts his fucking arm off it seems like that's a good spot to hit his arms are like trees so like they're whatever they're made of jelly donuts they're very large they're very large they are so big that in one scene he raises like a sword and the bicep just like is it's absurdly huge but but um that's cute but it's still made it of meat that's true that's true the the uh i forgot what i was saying but yes you you you can compete battle mode is really good you really like it yeah but why don't you have a one -on -one?

[154] Because we just, it didn't, it just didn't work out that way.

[155] Do you anticipate anything like that in the future?

[156] Like, an add -on or?

[157] You never know.

[158] Like, certainly, we'll see.

[159] But we're really, really proud of this.

[160] Like, I think what you want to do is, you've got to innovate.

[161] If you want to make something that's really going to engage people like that, like, the whole point is to, like, give them something to master that they've never seen before.

[162] Because if you're just asking me to master a new version of a thing that I already mastered, sure, a lot of people would appreciate that.

[163] but you're not really going to capture, like, a large audience.

[164] So we really created something that was completely unique.

[165] And so we're excited.

[166] Now, is there going to be a death match mode where, like, all of us can get in a room and fuck each other up?

[167] No. Jesus Christ, Hugo, what are you doing?

[168] We have quick champions for that.

[169] I know, but we already played quick champions.

[170] I want to play that.

[171] I'm going to use those weapons.

[172] Play with that guy.

[173] Is this the multiplayer, Jamie?

[174] This is the multiplayer.

[175] Jesus Christ, it looks crazy.

[176] It is nuts.

[177] Dude, it's kind of based on a couple of core pillars of like, we needed something that had a lot of drama.

[178] We wanted something that had a lot of pacing, like the variations in pacing in the match, and something with deep strategy.

[179] So, and was primarily innovative, like, unlike anything anybody had played before.

[180] And was, like, it's a multiplayer for people who love Doom Eternal.

[181] So when you play the Doom Eternal single player, you'll like this.

[182] Right.

[183] It looks so incredible, man. It's fucking awesome.

[184] The graphics are so off the charts.

[185] I just want to play this right now.

[186] I know.

[187] I'm looking at this video.

[188] Jamie's playing, showing the video of this guy playing.

[189] And it's just, it looks incredible.

[190] So he's the Slayer.

[191] You're seeing through the Slayer right now and those two demons that he's shooting with the numbers coming out of them, those are the other guys.

[192] Now, I don't think most people understand the incredible amount of work that's involved in creating one of these things.

[193] Yes.

[194] When did you guys start on this?

[195] About four years ago.

[196] So it's been four years of steady work to make something like this out.

[197] And in nine days, we're going to, like, give it to the world.

[198] Release it.

[199] I'm like, I'm shaking.

[200] Are you?

[201] Oh, my God, I'm so nervous.

[202] They just canceled E3.

[203] Yes.

[204] Everyone's scared of the goddamn coronavirus.

[205] I know.

[206] My wife says I'm going to be in quarantine at the house for two weeks when I come home.

[207] Because you come here?

[208] I don't think it needs to be two weeks.

[209] I think it's four days.

[210] You start showing, look, you're sniffling already.

[211] I'm just nervous.

[212] Psychosomatic.

[213] They say that it's four days and you start exhibiting symptoms.

[214] Okay.

[215] I coughed at the airport and people looked at me like, It was I felt almost wanted to apologize I was just clearing my throat And I didn't cover my mouth And everybody was like Yeah it was I know everybody's on edge Yeah Meanwhile the comedy store was packed last night Dude we went to Pax East last week With the fans Hunt like lines of fans And the beginning everybody was touching elbows That lasted like 20 minutes And we were just high -fiving And hugging and stuff That's how I was at the store last night A couple guys were like trying to give you knuckles And rubble I was like get the fuck out of here It's just We all go down together Come on give me a hug Well they say I didn't watch that show yet with that guy that you had, but 50 and up or something?

[216] Or like...

[217] It's the real problem is people with respiratory issues, people who are overweight, and people who are old.

[218] Those are the real problems.

[219] Unhealthy people.

[220] Okay.

[221] That's the real issue.

[222] That's going to be the real issue.

[223] Although Sam Harris did know a guy who's a skier, who is 50, who is apparently very healthy and very fit, and he is now on a ventilator, and he was in Italy.

[224] I don't know the specifics.

[225] You know, sometimes, look, I've got the flu before, and I've got the flu before, and I sure you have as well and sometimes what happens is you're worn down from travel you're worn down maybe from drinking you warm down from too much exercise and then it gets you and then if you're not like and this is just the common cold and apparently the common cold is a type of coronavirus i don't i don't know i do google that make sure that's true but i'm i'm pretty i was reading up on coronaviruses last night i was like what like SARS is the type of coronavirus is this just here now forever like this is a part of the world like coronavirus question well michael osterholm who wrote this book deadliest enemy and who was on on uh tuesday on the podcast tuesday he opened up a lot of people's eyes as to like what what the issue is and what what you can do to prevent it but those wet markets that they have in china are just bananas man with the fucking bats on the tables and coronavirus or large family viruses that cause illnesses ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as MERS or SARS, a novel coronavirus is a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans.

[226] So zoonotic or zoonotic, meaning they're transmitted between animals and people.

[227] So what's happening is these fucking wet markets.

[228] He was detailing how they have chickens that are in one cage.

[229] civets that are above the chickens and the civets are shitting on the chickens and the chickens are eating the civet shit and it's like it's like it's just a perfect environment to create a disease that's going to jump from one species to the next that is scary yeah and he's like and many of them have jumped to humans i mean all the major uh whether it's avians flu that's from birds swine flu obviously from pigs they jump from farm animals or from these wet markets to people yeah and they're not going to stop those wet markets so it's like i mean that's how how people buy their food, which is just crazy.

[230] Have you ever seen the videos and pictures of what they look like over there?

[231] No, that seems scary, though.

[232] What do you think your game is scary?

[233] You want to see what a bat looks like when it's laid out on a table?

[234] Apparently, bats are like a common thing to eat.

[235] And, bro, when you see what a bat looks like with its mouth open, it looks like it belongs in your game.

[236] That would be good.

[237] Good reference.

[238] We were looking at pictures of them yesterday, and they have a table laid out, and then even just on the raw concrete, bats laid out with their mouth open.

[239] They look cartoonish.

[240] They don't even look real, and they have no wings.

[241] Yeah, Jamie's, oh, my God, and over there.

[242] Look how big these bats.

[243] These are bats without wings.

[244] I want to see.

[245] Holy shit.

[246] Holy shit, dude, that looks like a dog.

[247] They do look like dogs.

[248] Unless those are dogs.

[249] Those might be dogs.

[250] Oh, those are dogs.

[251] Those are dogs.

[252] Oh, those are dogs.

[253] Oh, those are bats.

[254] So those are bats.

[255] So look at the teeth on the bats.

[256] Yeah, that's really.

[257] Look at that.

[258] Look at how they're all, they all have their mouths wide open, like they're trying to bite you.

[259] So, like they die trying to kill you.

[260] And they're going to, they're going to cook those?

[261] Yes.

[262] That's how, that is how this disease got started.

[263] Look at that guy.

[264] And he's smoking cigarettes.

[265] Go back to him again.

[266] Let me see a big picture of him.

[267] He's triple stacking the behavior.

[268] Stacks of bats, smoking cigarettes.

[269] Like they're eating bats.

[270] That's crazy.

[271] It's just nuts, man. But this is what happens.

[272] We'll see, look at these chickens stacked on top of each other.

[273] When you have a billion people.

[274] And look at that guy's sleeping on top of that cage.

[275] That should be in our game, actually.

[276] Yeah, like if you're hungry, eat a bat.

[277] You could glory kill that thing and get health.

[278] That would be.

[279] Apparently SARS came from bats as well.

[280] So don't eat bats, kids.

[281] I won't.

[282] But they have to because they're starving.

[283] I mean, that's one of the things that China's doing what they have to do.

[284] There's too many people, not enough food, and a lot of what they're eating is just we wouldn't imagine eating it.

[285] Are you not traveling because of this?

[286] I'm not changing shit.

[287] Yeah, my wife asked me a lot.

[288] Like, she was really concerned about me coming here.

[289] And I was like, dude, we got to sell the game.

[290] I just got back from Vegas and I was a little nervous.

[291] I was over there, but I did everything normal.

[292] I went to work out, I, you know, I ate, went to the fights, which is, you know, 20 ,000 people at the T -Mobile arena, all stuffed into this one area, and everybody was acting normal.

[293] Everybody was high -five and a hug, and then fighters, I mean, Jesus Christ, you want to talk about people exposed.

[294] Yeah, yeah.

[295] You know, they're sweating and they're half -naked.

[296] Tyson Fury was trying to lick that dude's blood.

[297] I mean, I don't think he's worried.

[298] That was before the big outbreak.

[299] Yeah, I'm worried about old.

[300] people.

[301] I'm worried about my parents for sure.

[302] I'm worried about people who are overweight.

[303] You know, I have friends that are not healthy that maybe she'd lose some weight and I'm worried about them.

[304] I'm worried about people with respiratory problems, you know, a good friend of mine has a daughter of a cystic fibrosis.

[305] Oh, that's right.

[306] And he canceled his tour.

[307] Shout out to Everlast.

[308] He canceled his tour because of that.

[309] I mean, but he's got, you know, a real concern.

[310] Yeah.

[311] His daughter is a pretty serious lung condition.

[312] That is really scary.

[313] It's horrible.

[314] Yeah.

[315] And so look, you know, he's, He's got no choice.

[316] He has to stay home and play it safe.

[317] And I think a lot of people are going to do that.

[318] You know, it's going to be interesting to see how the government handles it.

[319] Because one of the things about love or hate Trump, he's willing to do some shit that a lot of people would think would be unpopular, like close down traffic.

[320] Yeah.

[321] Close down flights coming in from other countries that are infected that have high rates of infection.

[322] You know, I mean, I wonder what they're going to do.

[323] And something, I think something really radical has to be done to try to start the slow down.

[324] this this fucking illness but I don't know what they can do so are we waiting for it to I got to watch your show with this guy are we waiting for it to go away like I read a quote that like when the weather changes it'll it'll stop or something that's horseshit yeah Michael Osterholm set us straight on that that's nonsense he's like it's not going to have any effect on it what happens is it just runs through the population and people develop immune systems that can handle it you develop an immunity once you catch it and for many people it's just going to be like a bad cold.

[325] For many people, it's going to be like you're coughing and you're and you just try to get better.

[326] Stay home, drink a lot of fluids, be healthy, do your best and eat healthy and then get out and you're going to have an immunity to it.

[327] And that's what's going to happen on the other end.

[328] I saw one guy.

[329] He had it and it was fairly mild and then they quarantined and he got over it.

[330] He was getting over it and getting better.

[331] And then they quarantined him with a bunch of people that also had it and then he got it even worse, which is interesting because I was like I wonder how he got it again and I guess probably his immunity wasn't fully developed yet and then it just overwhelmed his immune system because there was you know he's basically quarantined with a bunch of other people that were really really sick but he got through it and he was talking about it and all these poor people that are stuck on boats oh my god it's crazy this is going to kill the cruise ship industry yeah guarantee you that we just went on vacation and I have to say traveling and like we went to this vacation spot there's nobody there it's actually it's kind of nice Nice.

[332] Oh, yeah.

[333] If you go to Hawaii right now?

[334] Whoa.

[335] You got the whole beach to yourself.

[336] We had everything to ourselves.

[337] It was amazing.

[338] Yeah.

[339] I wonder, you know, I wonder how this is going to play out.

[340] I really do.

[341] We go like, you know, you're even at our hotel eating at the buffets and stuff.

[342] But like, to your point, I'm just like, fuck it, what are we going to do?

[343] They're closing down buffets.

[344] It's one of the things they're doing in Vegas.

[345] They're closing down buffets.

[346] Those buffets are huge.

[347] I haven't been to Vegas too many times, but the one time I was there, I had a pretty crazy buffet.

[348] Yeah, I mean, all you can eat, just fucking pig out.

[349] Some of those buffets are.

[350] but that's also how they do it on a lot of cruise ships they have buffets i only went on one cruise ship and by the end i wanted to throw up like oh my god because the first day you're like the food's amazing yeah it's so buttery gross and it's like being stuck on an apartment building filled with drunks but you're all on the roof and if you jump off the side you're definitely dead yes and they're feeding you the fattiest grossest but tasty food yeah you know oh if you're looking to get fat that's your move some people just fuck it let's go all in But I just recently lost 20 pounds.

[351] Did you?

[352] Yeah.

[353] What did you do?

[354] Well, I was 226, and that was fun, especially, I mentioned earlier, like doing Jujit, too, but the, my...

[355] Fun just because you could pin people down easier, easier?

[356] Do you get extra weight?

[357] More weight to throw around, I guess, yeah.

[358] Did you get tired easier, though?

[359] I did.

[360] Like, there's definitely been benefits to losing weight that I actually really like, but my blood pressure and my cholesterol was really high, so...

[361] What did you do to lose the weight?

[362] Well, I went to a nutritional...

[363] Well, really, I guess.

[364] gained that weight just from eating like an idiot uh i had really bad eating habits and uh i had no idea like i didn't know you weren't supposed to eat a shit ton of pasta before you go to bed like you know you didn't know how old do you i'm 43 i don't know how do you not know that i make video games i don't know how to do glory kills listen man i woke up this morning with acid reflux not really but like well felt gross because i ate two tins of sardines last night before i went to bed yeah so I'm not smart either I went to a nutritionist and she just kind of coached me on like basic stuff and it was remarkable how much weight I lost just by not being you know stupid you gotta just go to bed hungry yes you're way better off going to bed hungry than eating a big meal before you go to bed but I come home from the comedy store and it's late no one's home I just I've just become an idiot I just start eating that's exactly and then I go right to sleep I would crunch on the game and like be at the office late come home and My wife would make something amazing, but I missed dinner, and it's like, I want to fucking eat.

[365] It looks awesome.

[366] But that made me super fat, and, like, it wasn't very.

[367] But I was, I was working out a lot, so it was actually, and doing Jiu -Jitsu, so it was fun being of a larger size, but I'm not supposed to be that big.

[368] Like, it wasn't good.

[369] My numbers are all much better now.

[370] That's great.

[371] And just the nutritionist, what did she change?

[372] I basically, I kept a food diary, and she read it and just laughed.

[373] She's like, she's like, you eat like you're 13.

[374] I'm like, I work on things for 13 year olds.

[375] That's it pretty much.

[376] And just really, when I was a kid, it was like, finish your food, clean up your plate, wipe up every last bit, watching my dad, he's Argentinian, piles of fucking steak, you know, like, I thought that's how people ate.

[377] That's how you're supposed to eat.

[378] Yeah, but not at like 11 o 'clock at night, I guess.

[379] Yeah, I just don't think you're supposed to eat and then go to sleep.

[380] I didn't do a vegan thing.

[381] I asked her that.

[382] I was like, should I not eat certain?

[383] She's like, no, it's kind of the basic stuff.

[384] I eat the little bit of all these food groups, and I just eat in moderation.

[385] Also, when I moved to Texas, the Asian food scene there is amazing.

[386] Oh, really?

[387] It's fucking amazing.

[388] In Dallas?

[389] Like, what kind of Asian food?

[390] Vietnamese food is outrageous.

[391] The Taiwanese beef noodle soup is fucking, which is like Chinese ramen.

[392] That's interesting that it's in Dallas.

[393] Yeah, I didn't know that either.

[394] Dallas is culturally super diverse.

[395] Dallas is a fucking great city.

[396] It's awesome.

[397] It is a great city.

[398] I was just there two weeks ago.

[399] The food is so good.

[400] I love it there.

[401] If it's bad for you, they have perfected it, that's for sure.

[402] In my first week there, I went to the Texas Fair and I had fried pumpkin pie with a scoop of ice cream and hot chocolate.

[403] And it was like the best fucking thing I've ever had in my life, but it's so bad for you.

[404] And so it was just fried pumpkin pie.

[405] It was good.

[406] They don't play games.

[407] No, the whole fare is just fried stuff.

[408] Well, fairs are ridiculous.

[409] Just going to a fair is ridiculous.

[410] Just you're going to get fat just walking through the gates.

[411] I did, you know, definitely.

[412] And then honestly, like, the work was so intense by my own doing.

[413] I was so into making doom.

[414] And still am put that.

[415] But I had to balance it out.

[416] Like, I think I was reaching a milestone of, like, learning how to eat better and sleep right.

[417] Like, I was just acting like I was still in college.

[418] And how many hours a day are you guys working?

[419] Because when I was friends with the Id guys, this was like Quake 3 before it came out.

[420] Like way back then, I was friends with those guys.

[421] And when I was doing gigs in Dallas, I'd go to Id Studios and they'd show me all the stuff.

[422] They told me, yeah, it was pretty awesome.

[423] I'm embarrassed that I'm coming here and I'm not good at Quake.

[424] So I was like, shit, he's going to totally give you garbage.

[425] No, it's okay.

[426] But you play with a controller, we should tell people you play with an Xbox controller, which is quite embarrassing.

[427] It is, well, I'm, I'm pretty good with it, though.

[428] But how do you not use a mouse and keyboard?

[429] I do sometimes.

[430] But that's probably why you're not good at Quake.

[431] Well, I, Quake, Jamie and I were bonding over this.

[432] When Quake came out, I was in art school, and everybody was using Apple products.

[433] So, like, literally no one I knew had a PC, like, one dude in a dorm had PC, and he'd go there and he'd turn on Doom, and you're like, holy shit, this is crazy.

[434] But, like, I mean, I was like an Apple guy hardcore, so I just, I just missed it, you know.

[435] like that boat but i play now and i'm okay i play i like playing a pub g i mean you have to certain games you have to play uh you know mouse and keyboard and uh like pbg and stuff like that but jami are there are computers updated is everything's updated we were ready to go we're ready to go we'll play afterwards no i'm not very good at all man you're a fucking you work in the game industry i do play a little i do i can't say i'm not going to play because i'm not no i i i'll say into all these kids out there that are not good don't even start oh no i will i will i will totally play i'm just not uh we didn't make quick champion I was made by another team.

[436] Well, they did an awesome job.

[437] They did do an awesome job.

[438] Everything that comes out of Id is always going to have a certain level of quality.

[439] So it's a different team at Id that made Quake Champions?

[440] Yes.

[441] It was outsourced by Tim Willits and then outsourced to, I believe, Sabre.

[442] So is Willits with them now?

[443] Where is Willits?

[444] Willits, I believe, is with them, but I'm going to probably get that wrong.

[445] Shout out to Tim.

[446] How are you, buddy?

[447] Yes.

[448] I've seen that guy in forever.

[449] And he left a couple months ago, I think.

[450] So he's retired?

[451] No. He's retired?

[452] No. No, he's with them now.

[453] Oh, okay.

[454] Yeah, like doing something awesome.

[455] I don't know.

[456] Can't tell us?

[457] I don't even know, to be honest.

[458] Like this, I just head down making doom.

[459] I get it.

[460] So how many days a week are you guys working?

[461] When you're in crunch time, are you working six, seven days a week on this thing?

[462] It's not really crunch.

[463] It's funny.

[464] I prepared for this interview.

[465] I watched all your video game interviews, and I know that crunch comes up a lot.

[466] But, like, the, this is going to sound hokey.

[467] it's like a lifestyle like I I live and breathe this you know like no one makes me stay at the office and even when I come home I see my kids I do my thing and then I just do research like it sounds ridiculous not not unlike my diet but like my research is that of a 13 year old like I play fucking video games and read comic books and just engross myself in pop culture because essentially what we do is make pop culture content for that's pop culture content you You know, that didn't make sense.

[468] No, it makes sense.

[469] I know what you're saying.

[470] So you just have to, like, you know, ingest a ton of it, which means that it's 24 -7.

[471] I mean, I get up really early.

[472] I try to do the exercise thing.

[473] I couldn't really fit in going to do any kind of training or anything in the afternoons because it was just family and stuff.

[474] So I try to do that in the mornings.

[475] And then I come home and put the kids to school.

[476] And then I have, like, about two hours where the house is empty and I'll just play games, you know.

[477] So you're training real early then?

[478] I do.

[479] It's horrible.

[480] but I do the 6 a .m. one, which is fucking, holy shit, dude.

[481] Yeah, so you're up at 5, shove something in your mouth?

[482] No, not anything.

[483] I made that mistake.

[484] I drank a protein shake once before training.

[485] That was a fucking disaster.

[486] Holy shit.

[487] So I don't need anything.

[488] I drink water.

[489] I didn't even know what the hell I was doing.

[490] Again, I didn't know nothing of nutrition.

[491] So I was like, it's 5 .30 and I got to be healthy.

[492] I'm going to drink this.

[493] Yeah, you can't train.

[494] Neon belly.

[495] I'm like, dude, we're going to have a serious fucking problem in like two seconds.

[496] Yeah, yeah.

[497] It's the same thing with yoga, hot yoga.

[498] I've tried to do it after breakfast.

[499] You literally can't do it.

[500] I actually, I'm tired, too.

[501] Like, so I'm pretty much just water, you know, and it's only an hour, so I could kind of get through it.

[502] I don't know if this BCAs are helping or not, but I sometimes put that in my water just because other people.

[503] BCAA's branched chain amino acids.

[504] Is that good?

[505] Yes, yes, for sure, yeah.

[506] Good before you train and after you train.

[507] Yeah.

[508] And depending upon who you ask, you know, there's a different protocol.

[509] Just for a little extra juice, you know, I don't know, like to help, because I get a lot of muscle strains, so I would just...

[510] Strains?

[511] Yeah, like in my calves and stuff.

[512] Like cramps?

[513] Is that what you're saying?

[514] I guess.

[515] You take it in the electrolytes?

[516] I'm, they're going away because I'm hydrating.

[517] That was another thing the nutritionist said was that I was probably dehydrated way more than I realized.

[518] So I'm drinking water, like, and it's actually working.

[519] Like, I actually feel like I'm getting less of those.

[520] And I'm also hungry less.

[521] Like one of her things was that probably some of what my cravings are for food is that I'm actually thirsty.

[522] So now I like chug a big glass of water.

[523] And the cravings do kind of, those 11 o 'clock cravings kind of subside a little bit.

[524] But yes, I try to do it in the mornings.

[525] It's just super, super rough.

[526] Yeah, with the last couple of weeks, last week in particular, I've been drinking a shitload of water.

[527] Just a shit like last night at the comedy store, I must have drank seven bottles of water, which is great until I got home I got up to pee three times in the middle of the night last night I'm like fuck I'd wake up it's like three in the morning I'm like god damn it can I hold it in no shit I just kept doing it man three times I got up to pee I'm so you would agree that I mean obviously right just drinking shit tons drink a shit ton of water but I believe in electrolytes I think electrolytes are very important and I think you should find a good company that you know sells electrolytes so you can pour into your water and will make a difference I use liquid IV it's a sponsor the podcast just for full disclosure but i actually enjoy it and even if it wasn't a sponsor i would absolutely use it it tastes good you pour it in there it's got like salt a little bit of sugar and a lot of electrolytes and it's just fucking really good for you that's awesome it's supposed to rehydrate you twice as fast as water itself oh wow it's twice as well as water itself that's that's awesome yeah so i pour one of those into uh into a bottle uh i like to do that before i work out you know it's also something that gives you like a little bit of calories not much but do you do anything during like is that just water just so the the electrolyte stuff for the bca is before or after but not during i don't do it i mean maybe i'm wrong about that i but i don't know the most i ever do is if i'm training really hard like if i'm doing something really crazy then i'll then i'll drink uh something with electrolytes while i'm working out like a gatorade or a power rate or something like that just to try to replenish my glucose levels.

[528] Is that good to drink Gatorade while you're doing exercise?

[529] Sure.

[530] Because I feel like it is.

[531] Like, when I'm pretty exhausted, I have to be honest, they have little bottles of Gatorade.

[532] I do get energy.

[533] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[534] Yeah, I mean, there's a reason why athletes, you drink it.

[535] They're not assholes.

[536] That's true.

[537] I don't know.

[538] They're always drinking the, it's the logos on the cup, but I'm like, is that like some kind of special powder?

[539] The issue with things like Gatorade or Power 8 or any of those, you know, sports drinks, air quotes, is if you're not doing sports, you shouldn't be drinking them.

[540] Yeah.

[541] It's like if you're just laying around drinking Gatorade, there's a fuck load of sugar in that shit.

[542] But if you're running hills or if you're rucking with like a 50 -pound backpack on and you're goddamn exhausted, well, if you drink one of those things, it'll give you some energy.

[543] And it'll replenish some electrolyse and give your body some glucose.

[544] There's some benefits to that stuff.

[545] It's just when to use it and why you use it is what's important.

[546] But there's definitely benefits to taking those sports drinks.

[547] Your facility out there is fucking awesome.

[548] It's pretty dope.

[549] I love it.

[550] The bats thing?

[551] Oh, the clubs, club bells?

[552] Yeah.

[553] That's pretty crazy.

[554] I've never done any kettlebells.

[555] I need to, though, because I don't know that might.

[556] I can show you some of the stuff.

[557] It's pretty easy.

[558] If you have, like, a lightweight kettlebell, you could learn it.

[559] You really should start with a lightweight once, you don't hurt yourself.

[560] Who's the guy who works for you?

[561] He's got the beard.

[562] I met him first.

[563] Taylor, I think.

[564] He has a black t -shirt on.

[565] Jeff?

[566] Yeah, Jeff.

[567] And I shook his hand, and I was like, my goodness, I think you've been tossing around.

[568] It's just corn fed. Seriously.

[569] Seriously, it was like, you're a big old fellow.

[570] You've been doing something, dude.

[571] Yeah, they're big fellas.

[572] The great thing about kettlebells or club bells, those clubs, is that you're using your whole body.

[573] You know, that's the thing about those things.

[574] It actually enhances your athletic ability.

[575] It enhances your ability to do sports, particularly jiu -jitsu, like things like Turkish get -ups.

[576] You ever do Turkish get -ups?

[577] I was joking with my friend yesterday.

[578] So, no, I've seen them.

[579] I think if you put the word Turkish in front of anything, it usually means it's pretty gnarly.

[580] Turkish sauna, Turkish bath.

[581] Turkish prison.

[582] Right.

[583] Manette Express.

[584] Wasn't that a Turkish prison?

[585] Yes, that is the magnifier for everything.

[586] Turkish, that's funny.

[587] Turkish wrestling.

[588] Yeah, true.

[589] But I've never done one, but that they look pretty serious.

[590] They're legit.

[591] Turkish get -up is one of my favorite exercises because it's not romantic.

[592] It doesn't give you big pecks.

[593] But man, for jujitsu, it's a real game changer.

[594] And that's with the one leg.

[595] Like you have one leg out, one leg.

[596] Well, you start off on your back.

[597] You start off laying on your back, you press the kettlebell up, and then you sit up.

[598] And then once you sit up, you get one leg under you, and then you go up, and then you go all the way up, stand straight up, and then drop all the way back down.

[599] And you should watch a video.

[600] Ideally, you should find a coach and have someone correct all your form so that you have it down, and then you can do it on your own.

[601] But the beautiful thing about that is, like, you could have a kettlebell and you sit in your office, and just for five minutes.

[602] Just do Turkish get -ups for five minutes and do it a couple times a day, and it'll change your body.

[603] to change your core strength and your shoulder strength and your shoulder stability because you got this thing overhead at the end of it and then you're dropping it back down and you're you know resting your body back down and starting all over again it's a very difficult exercise I'm uh I think working with someone is what I need to do because at 43 I'm finding that like I injure myself because I'm not exercising correctly I clearly I'm not doing anything correctly but the the like I'll I'll try to do some exercise stuff outside of training to you know work on things and uh there's always something and then when you get when i get something it fucks everything up for months like i did something in my bicep and i couldn't do half the shit i needed to do you know in the morning training like it it was a pain in the ass so actually i'm not really doing anything anymore i do just some basic simple shit but like i was simple shit it's fine like just body weight squats chin ups pushups stuff like that that's it all that stuff's real good for you.

[604] The thing is like you're doing something right because you got a purple belt, all right?

[605] Yes.

[606] So congratulations on that.

[607] Thank you.

[608] But also, you know, you're doing jiu -jitsu.

[609] That's a fucking hard thing to do, man. It's like, I got to do something because when I wasn't doing it, I got the kids and the work because the, you know, it is a lifestyle, but it's also a lifestyle that involves sitting on your ass staring at a TV screen.

[610] Yeah.

[611] What kind of chairs do you guys sit in to keep from getting back pains and stuff?

[612] I don't really sit that much.

[613] Like for me. No, I'm just walking.

[614] No, I'm just walking.

[615] walking the whole fucking time, like just walk into this thing, walking to that thing.

[616] And then we just have pretty basic desks, but a lot of people do standing desks for sure.

[617] And I like those a lot, too.

[618] I don't have one.

[619] But because, again, I don't really sit anywhere specific.

[620] I have an office, but I'm never in it.

[621] You're always moving around talking to different people about this and that.

[622] Which is good, because when I sit for too long, my lower back, I got like a bulge in the lower back area.

[623] I don't know.

[624] And if I sit too much, it kind of bugs me. but um everyone who does jih Tjitsu has something going on with their back yeah I'm a little worried about that because I found a thing that you get the kids and before it was like you know roughhousing with them and you're fucking breathing heavy and it's just like shit dude and so I'm like what can I do I'm like I don't fucking like basketball I think running sucks like I don't want to just work out like you know so I I did this and it became a fun engaging way to get healthy it's a game you know you're playing a game it's all like you It cleans up everything.

[625] Like, I can't eat shitty food because I'm going to feel like shit on that.

[626] So, like, it had this ripple effect in my life that was fucking amazing.

[627] Yeah.

[628] And a really healthy pursuit.

[629] But the back thing, is that guaranteed that, like...

[630] But there's things you can do to mitigate it, and I'll show you some of the things we have here a machine called the Reverse Hyper.

[631] Unfortunately, this just came up on a podcast yesterday as well.

[632] Reverse Hyper Machine, which is a great machine for strengthening your lower back.

[633] And then there's, one of my sponsors is Teeter.

[634] They make those inversion tables.

[635] And they have this thing called the decks.

[636] And it's like you bend over.

[637] It's a D -E -XX.

[638] Is that what it is?

[639] Just one -X?

[640] And you bend over at the waist and it's just like decompresses your spine and relaxes everything.

[641] To just set like the...

[642] I'll show it to you afterwards.

[643] Yeah, yeah.

[644] Because I want to keep doing it for health reasons.

[645] Yeah, no, for sure.

[646] I found something that is a good, add something to my life in a healthy way.

[647] Yeah, I love it.

[648] It's awesome.

[649] does beat you up are you I know if fans are butts about it I've seen you wearing your ghee in some pictures are you wearing your ghee again and training more with your gear did you always train with your ghee or like well I trained with the ghee and no gear I have a black belt in both I know but like I it seemed I could be completely wrong it seemed like you're doing a lot of no gey a lot of no gee yeah but lately it seems like you're wearing the ghee again but I could be completely wrong no I I I think both are good I think there's nothing wrong with the ghee the what the Ghee teaches you as defensive postures, it teaches you defensive techniques better because you can't pull out of everything.

[650] So you have to do everything with proper technique.

[651] You can't just, because when everything gets slippery and snowy, you can't just pull out of stuff.

[652] Sure.

[653] But you can't do that.

[654] If someone has a hold of your sleeves and get their fists fully wrapped in there, like, you're not getting out, and then you're just going to get deeper in.

[655] You've got to use technique.

[656] You got to use the proper defense.

[657] Do you have a preference or just, it's all good?

[658] I think both are good.

[659] I think both are good.

[660] Look, if you live in a place where people are wearing winter coats, learning how to fight with a ghee is great.

[661] Yeah, yeah.

[662] Because, you know, you grab a coat.

[663] I mean, a coat is like a weapon that a person's wearing on them.

[664] Like, you use their own coat against them.

[665] I saw a great podcast clip with you and Guy Ritchie, and you were staring at his tie and you were, like, salivating.

[666] Because, yeah, it's like the thing with ties.

[667] I tell people, but if you have a tie, you should have, like, a Velcro thing in the back.

[668] Just take a nice guy, put it on, tighten it up, and then snip the back.

[669] and then sew in some Velcro, so it seals up like this, so that if you could just, someone yanks on your neck, it just pulls that tie off.

[670] Yes, that's, that's, but I'm paranoid.

[671] Totally.

[672] But, I mean, your collar itself, right?

[673] Like, a good shirt collar, you could choke someone with that.

[674] You know, you'd do an Ezekiel choke with that.

[675] I like the community.

[676] With your sleeves, you could use your own sleeves.

[677] You can, I mean, you could collar choking someone on one of those chokes with a good, like, stiff dress shirt.

[678] You can get in there pretty deep.

[679] A collar choking somebody with a dress shirt on, that would be pretty sick.

[680] You totally could.

[681] Yeah.

[682] But with a jacket, like a leather coat, that person's a dead man. Like, if you had a street fight with a judo player and you're wearing a leather jacket, good luck.

[683] Yeah.

[684] You're going to get thrown in your head.

[685] Our head instructor does a lot of judo stuff and his fucking grip is, oh, my goodness.

[686] Yeah, they have crazy core strength, too.

[687] Those guys have crazy upper body and core strength because they're so used to just, uh, everything is throwing you and wrong.

[688] But you, like, when they're.

[689] demoing and they grab your collar and you're just like what the fuck dude like I'll never get this off hand strength yeah a lot of them what they do is they take geese or towels and they throw it over chin up bar and they do chin ups by just holding onto the towel or holding onto the ghee there's a wiery like every muscle is like taught with those guys you know yeah like it's crazy even if they look skinny like you could like they grab a hold of you you're like holy shit well you look at their hands and you see their knuckles are all inflamed every knuckle like sticks out that far you see it a lot with jujitsu guys that's the truth like the ears totally telltale sign don't fuck with that guy but if the knuckles are fucked up you should just do whatever that person says like have you seen megaton diaz's hands dude holy shit they're like i mean see if you find an image of megaton diaz is that arthritis is that what that is so is he like so is he like so He's in paint.

[690] Well, I don't know.

[691] I mean, you'd have to ask him.

[692] But, God damn, that guy will rip your neck right off.

[693] Oh, my God.

[694] One of them Steven Seagal movies, they could do it for real.

[695] Like, Roadhouse.

[696] I was just going to say that.

[697] Dude, that's like one of my favorite movies.

[698] Like, that scene when he does that, dude, that guy, that bad guy is fucking crazy.

[699] Like, he just, I used to fuck guys like you in prison.

[700] I remember me to kid me and like, holy, Jesus God.

[701] That movie's so good in all the worst ways.

[702] See, look at Megaton Diaz's hands.

[703] Look at his knuckles.

[704] That's just one image of him.

[705] There's a bunch of images of him with his knuckles.

[706] His hands are just gnarly.

[707] I mean, there's a lot of jiu -jitsu guys like that.

[708] You know, what is so, I've been said a million times, they are also, the community around it is, that's another part that I really fell in love with because it's like dad jitsu where I go.

[709] Like, we all want to get in shape.

[710] And there's younger guys who are really athletic and old.

[711] We have one woman who's 72 because her son is there and her son's a fucking beast and he fucking did this to me but the the uh it's just awesome like we're all trying to get healthy and we're learning shit and we're helping each other like it's that's fucking great dude i love it yeah it's it's an awesome way to exercise i'm wondering if one day they're going to be able to figure out some sort of a virtual reality learning game it's one of the things that i talked with carmack about and i was like i see because carmack has done some martial arts himself and i was like i see he's actually very good at judo and Jitsu and he's really talented.

[712] Apparently he choked somebody out at the office once.

[713] I think the person asked for it, but there's some story of like, they wanted to see if John could do it.

[714] And he was like, okay.

[715] And just like, like a robot, okay, I'll choke you out now.

[716] Yeah.

[717] I spoke, I worked, I overlapped with him by like a month and he said one thing to me and it was pretty cool.

[718] He told me not to put greats in the game because they don't look good.

[719] And I was like, yes, sir, that will never happen.

[720] Greats?

[721] Something to do.

[722] Like grates you would run on?

[723] Something with greats when you look at them at an angle they like do all the tech guys right now are like Jesus Hugo like it's very specific But yeah, he just told me not to do that and and I was like I will not That's all he told you?

[724] Yes, he's super nice You know, I didn't know I don't know what say to him, you know like I had no reason I don't want to bother him Look it.

[725] That's me and him That is awesome.

[726] Yeah, he is the dude's legit The founders of Id with John Romero that guy like I mean I really feel like we're standing on the shoulders of Gene When we make this game like the a lot of what makes doem Eternal good is is what they did in their game like the rocket launcher is such a well -balanced weapon in the original Doom game and we took a lot of inspiration from that and the fucking characters are so well designed the pinky and the cacadena the sounds they make the game still holds up to this day it does like straight fucking legit geniuses even with the clunky old school graphics it's still very immersive it's actually adds to the charm because when you look at it now it just looks like a fucked up Saturday morning cartoon.

[727] Seriously, it's like something they would make on adult swim, you know.

[728] Yeah, well, Quake 1 became a big hit even after Quake 2 and Quake 3.

[729] A lot of guys went back to Quake 1.

[730] Yeah.

[731] Because it was like a faster game and it was like, and a lot of times guys actually cut all the textures out anyway.

[732] Yeah, so they could see everything.

[733] Yeah, which is really weird.

[734] I just last year played through Quake 1 single player and Quake 2 single player campaign with mouse and keyboard.

[735] Yes, you would be very proud.

[736] But I didn't play the multiplayer.

[737] But I actually I'm going to just become awesome at Quake Champions.

[738] Really?

[739] Let's start today.

[740] I'm down.

[741] Very often part of my research, like, when I play, is to, I have to achieve, I don't want to, like, I have to reach mastery in a game to understand, to find the fun.

[742] Like, part of the research that you have to do when you're designing a game and when you play other games to remain, so that we understand, like, how other games are working successfully or not.

[743] is to play them long enough to achieve mastery so you really you feel that addiction you feel that engagement level and you're like okay i know how they did this i know i know i know what i'm feeling right now do you bring in you take like professional gamers and bring them in for consultation and say how do you how do you feel about this uh absolutely we watch and certainly we talk to them but it's it's dangerous because if you so so absolutely uh but it's kind of like would you want michael jordan designing the next sports game like it's kind of like he can tell you You, it's sort of like the guy who builds the race car might not be the best guy to drive it.

[744] But hold on.

[745] Here's what's wrong with that analogy.

[746] You're talking about Michael Jordan in a game.

[747] I'm talking about game players.

[748] So if you bring in game players to tell you about a game is a good idea.

[749] Bring in Michael Jordan and tell you how to play a video game based on basketball.

[750] Probably not a best idea.

[751] No, definitely not.

[752] We do.

[753] We talk to them, absolutely.

[754] But point I was making was just that, like, you could fall into a little bit of a trap.

[755] it's absolutely part of the process it's the smart thing to do again like if you're building a race car you go talk to race car drivers and say like how does it feel what do you think like well this is loose that feels odd okay we'll go fix it you know so how does a game like doom eternal start does it starts with a meeting you say hey we are thinking about doing this what do you think and then how does it get the green light how does a game like that get going we have from the very beginning yes we have a green light i've been there for seven eight years so what happens we have a green light process where we put together an overall idea Marty and myself you know work very closely Marty is the studio director and executive producer shout out to Marty he's awesome he's he's he's the boss he is the shit so what you guys say like someone comes up with the car so what are we going to do for our next game we talk like it's uh you know making games is is fucking awesome like it is it is this the fucking cool is like I can't believe that this is my job like it's awesome that's what everyone wants there's you You stick a dynamite and a crowbar wouldn't get rid of me and fucking in software.

[756] Like, I can't get enough of making Doom games.

[757] But you hit the jackpot.

[758] It's like what people want to do for a living is do something where you go to work and you, I can't believe this is my job.

[759] Oh, so that's why when I go to play and to do the work, I'm like, I'm not fucking working.

[760] Like, seriously, you know, like.

[761] That's awesome.

[762] So, which can get a little out of hand, I guess sometimes.

[763] But the, in terms of like balance and like doing other things.

[764] and like, get up and exercise or do something.

[765] But, yeah, me and Marty, we talk quite a bit, and it's, it's commercial art, you know.

[766] It's business and art and creativity coming together, and we have the schedule and we have to work out the budgets and stuff like that.

[767] But ultimately, we begin with, like, a conversation about, like, what it is we want to do.

[768] We're talking all the time, me and I about stuff.

[769] And then we talk to other, you know, people on the team.

[770] But essentially, it begins with the executive producer and the director of the project getting together and talking.

[771] Then we work very closely with our publisher, and you start to formulate a plan, and we had a plan and a good one for due maternal.

[772] And it's cool because we just recently had a meeting with our publisher where we were able to bring up some of the things that we talked about three years ago, and they are working now, which is a good sign.

[773] Like, you are pivoting a lot during development, for sure, like, okay, that didn't work.

[774] Let's try something else.

[775] And what do you base it on?

[776] It didn't feel fun to do or it didn't look cool?

[777] We call it just steering into things That feels good steer into that That feels good steer into that You're always steering into the fun Like you let the game tell you what it wants Once there's enough of it on the table To you know to judge So what are the first processes Like when you just say Okay you got the green light It's time to make a game What's the first things that get done?

[778] Is it design?

[779] Do you sort of design What the players look like?

[780] Is it the coding?

[781] It's like everything I mean they begin the engine All the different processes Is it a unique engine?

[782] Are you using an existing engine?

[783] And this is very good questions for Marty, the executive producer.

[784] But, yes, they begin making the engine based on what they want to do next and the goals there.

[785] And that has to, like, this is the engine of the race car, and we're discussing the kind of race car we want to make.

[786] But we should explain to people what we're talking about.

[787] We're talking about a 3D engine.

[788] Yes.

[789] Oftentimes what happens is, like, say, another video game can license your 3D engine and use it with different graphs.

[790] to make other games and that's a common thing yes the 3d engine is what we're talking about which is every game has a different feel it's like some people like when during the quake days some people were really into unreal right the member of that game epic games and they were like this game has a different engine i love the way this engine feels yes you know because they all have different sort of karmac made some good fucking engines yeah oh my god did he he's a smart guy well he recognized the balance of speed to like real world physics versus this sort of cartoonish shit like what's what's the fun balance it seems like quake three was like a really fun balance whereas quake two is a little slower quake one was way crazier way faster but was it didn't look as cool what is your favorite champions that's awesome that's awesome it's the best tim is happy it's the best that's awesome it's the best it's everything in quake yeah it's everything in quake but ramped up I I don't like all that stupid shit, like what lizards spit on you and it's poison, you're run through it.

[791] Like, that's a weak.

[792] But the weapons are really well balanced and the maps are amazing and the graphics are off the charts.

[793] The graphics are so cool.

[794] Like, while you're playing it, you're like, what the fuck.

[795] It's crazy.

[796] And the artists are so amazing.

[797] I mean, the work they do is so inspiring.

[798] That's the coolest thing.

[799] Like, you love what you do.

[800] You love the medium that you work in.

[801] I feel so fortunate because, and I speak for all of us at the team, we fucking love the type of a game we make.

[802] I mean, you just saw it, dude.

[803] It's so, it's fucking absurd.

[804] It's like an R -rated psycho cartoon, but it's not, it's not mean -spirited.

[805] That's what I really like about it.

[806] Like, it's, it's kind of, uh, it's cool.

[807] It's like, it's fun.

[808] It's fun.

[809] That was actually our main focus.

[810] Again, you're killing demons.

[811] Like, that's it fine.

[812] It's just like walking dead.

[813] You're allowed to kill the zombies.

[814] The whole, the whole purpose is to make, something we talk about quite a bit, like the emotional response of the consumer, like how you feel when you play something and we want you to smile like certain games they want you to be scared which is good survival horror games I'm on I'm on my heels I'm like oh my god you know what's around the corner in doom we want you on your toes smiling like just fucking barreling forward like what am I going to murder next like where is it you know and but it's it's it's it's frivolous and it's fun and it's junk food but as we say there is quite a bit of nutritional content in there like it's it's a smart game Is there any pushback against these kind of games?

[815] Like, when you guys produce a game like this or create a game like this, is there any where people are like, this is too violent, this is awful, this is...

[816] Not really because it's not against humans.

[817] Like, we, and it's not, there's no agenda, like, it's not...

[818] I guess, yeah, we don't really deal with that because you're murdering cartoonish -looking fucking demons, you know?

[819] And dude, believe me, like, we take full advantage of that.

[820] Like I said, you straight up Steven Seagull, these motherfuckers right in the head, like, it's awesome.

[821] I don't think you should say Steven Seagull anymore, and definitely don't use it as a verb.

[822] It's way more violent than any Seagall movie.

[823] That is true, but like I always got a kick out of his hyper extending of the limbs.

[824] The breaking of the arms.

[825] In that one in particular, that Glory Kill, too, we were like, there's one pose in animation where you hold out his arm and he's like, gah, because that's like what guys always do.

[826] What I'm holding out hope for is some sort of oculus version of Doom or of Quake or something like that where you have like a unidirectional treadmill and you're locked into it.

[827] You've seen those things, right?

[828] Yeah, omnidirectional.

[829] Is that what it's called?

[830] Yeah.

[831] Omnidirectional treadmill.

[832] There's Doom VFR, which is pretty cool.

[833] Like they made it and it did really well actually.

[834] Really?

[835] Yeah, yeah.

[836] Where is it?

[837] Pull up that.

[838] Boom VF.

[839] Have you heard of it, J?

[840] Jamie?

[841] I have it, but I haven't not played it because it came in my little cycle of, like, getting where I could stand up for a long period of time.

[842] Oh, your back issue?

[843] Yeah, yeah.

[844] Jamie broke his butt.

[845] We kind of removed those things from the office, the thing that he hurt himself on.

[846] Oh, the hoverboards?

[847] Oh, my goodness.

[848] Yeah.

[849] So, one minute, people are laughing.

[850] Check this out next minute.

[851] Some dude's ankle is just straight fucking hanging off his leg.

[852] So this is the VR version of Doom?

[853] Yes, it is.

[854] Oh, that looks pretty goddamn good.

[855] And so how are you moving around?

[856] You're teleporting, just like he just.

[857] Yeah, but how are you walking?

[858] I think that's it.

[859] You just teleport?

[860] You stand still?

[861] I didn't work on this, so I don't know how to move.

[862] Do you know, Jamie?

[863] Like, how are you going through all this?

[864] There's a little line that shoots out.

[865] That's like where you're teleporting to.

[866] Yeah.

[867] Oh, so you stay put.

[868] This is work.

[869] You can't move?

[870] I mean, that's how they had it.

[871] This is a couple years old now, so they've figured out.

[872] some new things.

[873] Oh, okay.

[874] Well, the graphics look dope, but if you're just teleporting to each spot and then standing still and punching people, that's ridiculous.

[875] That's how you do it, huh?

[876] And then you go forward.

[877] Well, I'm not doing it justice too, because I didn't work on this, so I couldn't really tell you how the movement actually works on us.

[878] It's obvious.

[879] It's pretty obviously that's what you do.

[880] You're teleporting with that green bolt.

[881] Have you ever, you know what sandbox is?

[882] Have you ever fucked with that?

[883] No. Sandbox VR?

[884] No. It's really cool.

[885] There's a company in Woodland Hills or there's a studio in Woodland Hills and there's another one I don't know there's a couple of them around the LA area but anyway you put a haptic feedback vest on you put a helmet VR everything plastic guns and then you go and fight things and there's one where you go and shoot this one's great this one is called oh yeah something mansion what is it called so they have one of these in Texas yeah I want to do it's the shit yeah that seems It's really fun.

[886] Rats come out.

[887] You've got to gun the rats down.

[888] So you are in this room.

[889] And like, this is, see, they keep cutting back for what is actually happening and what the people see.

[890] Sure.

[891] When you're there live and you see it, it's fucking killer.

[892] It's really cool.

[893] It's really fun.

[894] And they're getting better at these things.

[895] They have like sort of a, that character's cool.

[896] That's the boss that comes and gets you.

[897] Deadwood Mansion.

[898] That's that one.

[899] I love that one.

[900] That's awesome.

[901] There's a Star Trek game.

[902] There's quite a few of them.

[903] I think they have four or five.

[904] different little experiences that you can do.

[905] That's awesome.

[906] Really fun.

[907] Don't they have a Star Wars one?

[908] Perhaps.

[909] The Void has that, yeah.

[910] The Void's a different.

[911] Oh, that's different.

[912] The Void's different.

[913] Yeah, I've done the Star Wars one.

[914] That's at Disneyland.

[915] In Disneyland, downtown Disneyland, before you get to the park, you could go and do the Void ride, which is actually better than any of the rides in downtown Disney, or in Disneyland itself.

[916] Is that the one with the Avatar flying the Necron, or whatever the hell those things are called, in Avatar World, when you're flying on the thing?

[917] That is in Disney.

[918] Disney World.

[919] Not Disneyland.

[920] Disneyland is L .A. for land.

[921] But Disney World in Orlando has this thing called flights of passage, which is fucking amazing.

[922] It's the greatest, absolutely the greatest ride.

[923] E -Crons, I think.

[924] Yeah.

[925] You ride one of those dragons in Avatar.

[926] That's awesome.

[927] And it's incredible.

[928] I would love to do a VR thing where you're like one of the colonial Marines from aliens to, like, running through it.

[929] That'd be fucking awesome.

[930] And they're coming out.

[931] They're coming out of the goddamn walls.

[932] Yeah, you could do something like that.

[933] Hudson.

[934] That's my hope for the future is that games are like that, and you're actually going to be able to exercise doing that.

[935] Because I think that if you had a game where you're in a warehouse and you're actually running for your life, you know, and demons are chasing you and you're shooting down things, like your heart rate would be jacked.

[936] You could do that for an hour and get a sick workout in and have an amazing good time.

[937] That would be awesome.

[938] You can get in great shape running from demons.

[939] You would.

[940] I wouldn't have to get up so early in the fucking morning.

[941] Well, think about this game.

[942] If you could play this game, but you could play this game in a warehouse where, you know, you have all of the boxes and all those stairs.

[943] They're all real stairs and real boxes.

[944] Yeah, yeah.

[945] You're running around this pre -designed map and you're actually engaging with these VR demons with a haptic feedback suit on.

[946] Fucking glory killing them.

[947] Yeah.

[948] Ripping out their parts.

[949] You're really into this glory killing.

[950] but the really problem with this calling it glory killing is it sounds too much like glory hole it really does right Jamie yeah they have a new ride that got announced today for I guess out here at Disneyland the new Marvel Avengers campus is going to be opening up in the summer they have a Disney or a Spider -Man ride where it sounds like you put on a 3D headset I think just goggles and somehow they're tracking your hands so during the ride you shoot things for points.

[951] And then there's a...

[952] With your spider web.

[953] Then there's a leaderboard outside the ride for like weekly, daily, and monthly stuff.

[954] Like you and your family can get tracked and be like, oh, we're the best at this ride.

[955] Oh, you're going to get addicted.

[956] That's how they get you.

[957] The level of sophistication going on with the games, whether your mouse and keyboard or controller, though, it would be hard to achieve in VR.

[958] I think VR offers like a very specific, unique, and fucking amazing.

[959] experience and I would I would just like separate the two like you know when when when when we're making VR games we're definitely trying to do something else uh which is cool in and of itself in in and of itself but there's like not only just in our game but in a lot of games like there's just resource management there's like high level skill meta shit happening I mean you know you play fucking quake so like you know that that's hard to reproduce in VR in certain ways at least at this time but but I think that's the thing like they want it happens a lot games where people want to take how you feel or how a movie engages you and apply it to a game and i think it's like let a game be its own let a game be a game let a movie be a movie let vr be its own fucking experience like that looks fucking awesome like uh but yeah if we just yeah so so uh still though yeah i would love to kill you know dame i i i we have the vr game i should just play it but what i what i'm saying is like if someone made a doom warehouse where you guys take a 14 ,000 square foot warehouse, just outfit it specifically for Doom.

[960] You've got to line around the block of psychopaths waiting to play that thing for one hour.

[961] I mean, seriously, especially somewhere like Texas where there's a bunch of warehouses, like you can find some warehouse district where you can get three or four of them and set them up for different maps in the game.

[962] That'd be fucking awesome.

[963] God damn, man. I mean, they're real close to being able to do something like that where it would be really accurate, too, where you could have like a laser sight on your rifle and you know you can see things through your goggles and that'd be fucking badass although it's the future it is it's the future hugo it's it's it's it's a lame i was not lame you know carmack can do anything he wants but he's doing a i know like he's not doing uh vr anymore i heard i heard he was just consulting with oculus but now he's he's pursuing uh i well let's be honest he's too smart he is he's too smart he's from another planet him and Elon Musk can get together and share notes yes yes they're both super wizards yeah totally he's uh I mean I'm sure he feels challenged by AI yeah and uh you know he likes a challenge he's a very interesting guy to talk to too I really enjoy talking to him yeah he is awesome and you really think about what he's accomplished in the world of video games I mean he's the Mac daddy amazing yeah he really is he's the the guy who started it all really the if you enjoy 3D games that's the guy that's why working at id software uh and and he totally is the guy uh and along with the rest of them too like romero and those guys like that that group fuck that's like you know him do you know john romero uh i've met him a couple times you know that diketana game he took a lot of shit for that game that was a fun game yeah yeah it took way too long and there was a lot of bugs in it and all that good stuff but dude i played it when it came out i was like this game is fucking bad ass it and yeah that i mean that guy is All of them.

[964] They're like the Beatles, you know.

[965] It was like Daikata was like the physics of Quake 1 but with the graphics of that era, see if you can find a video of a Dai Katana in game.

[966] It was a fun game and I was like this might catch on but people were down on it before it ever came out.

[967] There was so much shit talk about it because it took so long and it cost so much money and they had these giant offices in Dallas with this huge penthouse.

[968] Yeah.

[969] They're spending so much money.

[970] I personally think they, they, uh, some of the best work that they, yeah, look at that.

[971] No, this game was made by just, that's a little dark.

[972] Yeah, it's, this is a, this image right here is dark.

[973] Yeah.

[974] This is not the best, uh, video in terms of like what you're able to see in game stuff.

[975] Yeah, there was a lot of hype and certainly, um, that's, if this is another, other video, because that's like so dark, you can't see anything.

[976] Is that it?

[977] It was hard to...

[978] On the line?

[979] Yeah.

[980] On the internet?

[981] Bring up a bunch of other stuff.

[982] Oh, yeah?

[983] I think the best work that they did was when they were all together.

[984] Yes.

[985] Like, keeping the band together.

[986] That, honestly, it's...

[987] Making Games is definitely a team sport.

[988] And you've got to have everybody working together really well if you want to pull it off.

[989] You also have to have, like, Division I pro athletes.

[990] I mean, not pro.

[991] You know, I mean...

[992] Rock stars.

[993] Division one's not a good idea.

[994] Like, if you're going to make a...

[995] game you need everybody to be the same level of dedication same level of hard work rock stars yeah one of the thing okay this is it oh this is why does he have a sword i never saw this usually it's like what is this i don't think this is the game dude it's not it no no no this is not it oh okay it might be i know it's a mod i mean maybe it's a mod i never saw it like that what i saw was a lot of cool rocket launcher like this is one rocking launcher that would shoot and it would come out like DNA strands Remember the rocket With like two rockets would twist at the same time They go back and forth Yeah This is what the game looked like It's just really dark For whatever reason Huh Maybe like some levels you get a sword I never saw it I never saw this either This looks weird I think this is the game though Yeah I think so too I've been fucking Forever since I played it I know that Romero likes what we're making, which is a huge compliment.

[996] What is he up to now?

[997] I don't know.

[998] He lives in Ireland, I think.

[999] What?

[1000] Yeah, I think so.

[1001] And, but when I met him, he was a super nice guy.

[1002] I met Adrian Carmack at a bar in Texas, which was fucking awesome.

[1003] And it was funny because he started telling me, like, well, if you guys are going to make it, you know, we were in production on Doom Eternal.

[1004] He's like, if you guys are going to make a Doom game, here's what we thought we made Doom.

[1005] And everything he listed, we were all like, that's what we think.

[1006] You know, like, he's like, we just did stuff that made us laugh and made us smart.

[1007] I'm like, that's what we say.

[1008] You know, like, it was cool.

[1009] He was super nice.

[1010] So, to me, it software is kind of like Disney.

[1011] Like, they invented a genre, and we are part of the new generation there.

[1012] And we have a legacy to live up to, like, yeah, it's a really special place to work.

[1013] A tremendous amount of, I don't want to say pressure, but we're all motivated.

[1014] Yeah, well, it's, you know, you're working at the highest spot.

[1015] That's, like, if you go, I mean, if you think about, it's like, if it's rap, you're at death.

[1016] pro records you know what I mean you're like at the highest spot and the coolest thing is like the type of games that they have always made just they they they they are able to get away with things and a lot of mainstream AAA games uh struggle with just because of how violent it is I mean they are like again it's it's evil dead three with a transformer's budget like who to fuck gets to make that like you know like we we those the shit you see we spend a shit load of time making that stuff like I can only imagine whereas like in a lot of situations I've been in there's It's like, yeah, we want to cut this dude and have.

[1017] We're going to have a lot of money for that, dude, so do it pretty fast.

[1018] You know, like, we're like, there are artists, like, craftsmen, you know, working on the end trails.

[1019] Like, this looks pretty good.

[1020] And literally the notes are like, I need, like, the intestine to kind of, like, flap a little when you get the thing off, you know, like.

[1021] How do you know if you've crossed the line?

[1022] Is there ever been a time when you had a scene and people, like, dial that back?

[1023] We actually, tonally, you know, you say how do you start the project?

[1024] It's kind of like there's a fair amount of brainstorming, and the strength of any creative team is, at least for a game, is how you brainstorm with each other.

[1025] The synergy in that room has to be good.

[1026] You've got to be selfless.

[1027] You've got to show up.

[1028] You've got to be willing to support other ideas, other people's ideas as much as your own.

[1029] We have a fucking amazing group in that regard.

[1030] But tonally, we try to establish that to like, look, guys, we're not making saw.

[1031] We're not making hostile.

[1032] It's not malicious.

[1033] It's not meant to make you cringe.

[1034] And we actually cut together a little video of like what we thought violence.

[1035] Violence wise was inappropriate and tonally felt off and then we made another video of what felt right and that was Evil Dead too with like It's not a slow trickle of blood out of a sliced open wrist It is some dude's head came off and Hawaiian punch just starts fucking shooting out of his head.

[1036] You know like That's really what it is like it's cartoonish, you know and it's It goes so far that you because the thing is you do this so much so often.

[1037] I mean you are murdering demons per minute like I don't know what it is but it's fucking great If it was off -putting and realistic and kind of like, ooh, you'd be so turned off.

[1038] It'd be sick.

[1039] Like, you'd make you sick after a while.

[1040] But so kind of - That's a weird way of looking at it.

[1041] I don't think you're right.

[1042] What you're doing is like super gory and disgusting.

[1043] You think somehow or another, that would make you less sick, that it was more realistic and less bloody?

[1044] Oh, for sure.

[1045] I mean, totally, we could twist that where every one of those is mean -spirited and really off -putting, for sure.

[1046] I mean - Okay.

[1047] I don't want you to see.

[1048] sell me some PR stuff to sort of defend your game against people that are anti -violence, because that's what it sounds like.

[1049] What you're doing is super bloody and disgusting and violent.

[1050] To say that somehow I know that that is less off -putting than less gory is pretty, that's a ridiculous argument.

[1051] I don't want you using it here or anywhere else.

[1052] Well, it's, Joseph, it is not, this is no PR.

[1053] This is, this is legit.

[1054] It sounds like you've been coached.

[1055] No, no, no, no. Like, this is my message to the team.

[1056] I mean, sincerely, like.

[1057] Okay, you're coaching.

[1058] well because they make the content so like think of this all right I good I like this because this is the fucking truth so uh you look at saw you look at torture porn horror movies they're they're cutting Achilles tendons with a fucking exacto knife and the dude is screaming in pain and he's a person like this is gnarly shit he doesn't look like he's having a good time like versus on evil dead two when you lop off the head of that one grandma creature that comes up out of the basement and like fucking buckets of blood start coming out of her head.

[1059] Right.

[1060] It's cartoonish.

[1061] Cartoonish.

[1062] So like it's critical, zero PR spin.

[1063] That is, we have to believe that because, look, your design story is going to be exposed to the consumer in two fucking seconds.

[1064] Like, they can see through your bullshit in five seconds.

[1065] If they're like, dude, you're trying to sell them.

[1066] No, like, so we have to have an honest, good design story that we can stand behind.

[1067] That is true.

[1068] And that is the truth.

[1069] I mean, we basically looked at like cartoons.

[1070] like make it over the top the animation so every time here's a perfect example uh every time you murder a caca demon which is those flying balls you pull out their eyeball what is it called a caca a caca what's the spell it cac a cac oh cac oh cac oh c don't you have kids you have kids right i do i have three kids it's caca you're saying caca demon it's a pooh -boo demon sure the the uh the so every time you pull out his eyeball uh you literally hear like a i can't do it but yeah sound like a like a funny cartoony sound and that is absolutely intentional to take the edge off what you're doing because if it was more gruesome and they're like it's the exorcist versus evil dead too those are tonally two completely different movies you know house house was a movie that came out in the 80s that was inspired by evil dead that's like a fucking comedy i mean it is a comedy and and it's a horror comedy versus the exorcist which is fucking amazing fucking amazing but really very serious you know uh and that's that's how we're able to do what we do okay stop selling it stop selling the violence thing i get it i see what you're saying what is this a caca demon that's a caca it's cucka it looks like poop like if like if you had a demon shit that's what it would look like oh no tearing you up on the way out what is that an original one that is the original cacademan from the original doom yes oh cool so it's an updated version of that but you know just more graphically intense yes so when you do something like this and you release this game um obviously there'll be patches and some upgrades and some different things that you do but how long how long do you work on this game before you guys move on to the next thing uh we're already moving on to well i don't want to say the next thing that is a PR answer because i'm not allowed to say that but the So you have ideas already of things that are the next down the pipe.

[1071] And DLC.

[1072] The DLC is guaranteed.

[1073] What is that?

[1074] It's basically like a small episode of Doom that we would sell after launch.

[1075] Why is it called DLC?

[1076] Downloadable content, I believe, is what that sounds for.

[1077] Do you think that anyone would know what we were talking about right there?

[1078] I'm so used to...

[1079] Jamie Wood?

[1080] Jamie Wood?

[1081] But Jamie's a super nerd.

[1082] I'm so used to the gaming convention speak.

[1083] But yes, it is down...

[1084] It's like an episode.

[1085] Like, we made the movie, and now we're going to release, like, an HBO series of it.

[1086] Oh, okay.

[1087] So you'll have this game, and then you'll have a bunch of other ones that are based off the same engine, same characters, different journeys, different things that'll come up?

[1088] Well, all centered around the Doom Guy.

[1089] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1090] But, yeah, yeah, basically the adventures of Doom Guy.

[1091] And how long do you do that for before you move on to the next game?

[1092] It's hard to say, you know, certainly we're always kind of dual tracking things and talking and, you know, always, you know, because you never know when the cool idea is going to come along and you're kind of jotting down notes.

[1093] I always have kind of my noteped out just thinking about stuff.

[1094] Like as I'm, I mean, you never know when it's going to something cool, you know, you're playing something or you see something or watch something.

[1095] So, and then we keep those conversations going on the side and see how it goes.

[1096] So is there any, do you guys like keep your eye open for like where VR is headed and things like that and go, well, not yet.

[1097] We're not ready for that yet.

[1098] But one day down the road we'll have something like that kind of a different again like we're like it's sort of like with cars uh i went to school for automotive design oh really yeah i went how'd you wind up in video games uh just because i love video games you know uh the the training in uh automotive design art have you ever been to art center no it's dude you should fucking go it's fucking where is it it's in pasadena and it's uh okay it's like the harvard of design schools like it's amazing and they they do cars there and products but the yeah the cars that they have on display you know the big clay models about that big they're they're fucking amazing and and uh really really amazing place um you know the the design process that you learn there you can uh apply to kind of anything uh i would just anything but a lot of things certainly a video game uh for sure uh because it's just kind of it's it's actually the questions you're asking which is like how do you start from nothing to something you know like uh that involves large groups of people, and you kind of learn that there.

[1099] I forgot your original question.

[1100] But, oh, yeah, no, it's like, you know, so I use a lot of car analogies at the office quite a bit.

[1101] And it's kind of like we make a race car.

[1102] And if VR is something else, that's like an SUV, that's like just another kind of car.

[1103] So, like, we kind of perfected how to make race cars.

[1104] And it's been doing it since the 90s.

[1105] So, like, Doom Eternal is just another race car and a fleet.

[1106] I understand what you're saying.

[1107] I'm just thinking that.

[1108] As augmented reality and then virtual reality become more and more accessible to consumers, I'm wondering, you know, like where video games are headed.

[1109] I'm wondering if you think that's where they're headed or if you think there's always going to be a place for them on an actual video game.

[1110] I think they'll...

[1111] I think they'll always be a place for them in the actual video game.

[1112] I think that's where my focus is.

[1113] Other people like Carmack are looking to see where...

[1114] Well, not anymore, but where video games were going to go.

[1115] next but I am fully focused on where they are now and how to make what they are now better well listen man you guys did a fucking amazing job it looks really cool thank you really fun and I'm sure people are going to waste massive chunks of their life and get a tremendous amount of entertainment out of it I I hope so um anything else to tell us we can go play now oh really yeah that quick champions yeah anything else I don't good I don't think so I don't know so it's out Oh, it's March 20th, yes, Doom Eternal coming out March 20th.

[1116] So not long, folks.

[1117] Get your sweaty little hands ready and we'll be available for PC, Xbox, everywhere.

[1118] Yeah, all the platforms, everything, you know, absolutely.

[1119] All right, beautiful.

[1120] Full tilt.

[1121] All right, man. Well, thanks for being here.

[1122] Appreciate you.

[1123] Thank you very much.

[1124] Thanks for doing what you do.

[1125] You've wasted a lot of people's time.

[1126] It's awesome.

[1127] Thank you.

[1128] Thank you very much.

[1129] Bye, everybody.