#1174 - Vinnie Paz

[0] If they don't fuck up, I don't trust him.

[1] My father, my father used to say, if someone doesn't say the word fuck, or if their name is an initial, don't trust them.

[2] Yeah, that's such creepy one.

[3] Initials are creepy.

[4] Yeah.

[5] But you never know.

[6] It's like, it's not a hard fast rule.

[7] No, I give everyone the fair shake, but I'm looking.

[8] Yeah.

[9] If they fricking, if they're all the time, it's fricking this.

[10] Or Mickey Ficky?

[11] Yeah.

[12] I heard that one.

[13] Oh, I never heard that one.

[14] Yeah, someone said Mickey Fickick.

[15] Yeah, I wasn't happy about it.

[16] Shut the front door is one like moms like to do around their kids?

[17] Yes, yes.

[18] Yeah.

[19] I come from a WAP South Philly family, so it's like a fucking Richard Pryor.

[20] You know, the Seven Fishes on Christmas Eve is like a Richard, it's like him on the sunset strip.

[21] You know who surprisingly doesn't swear?

[22] Teddy Atlas.

[23] I know Teddy doesn't.

[24] I've seen, you know, animated here, I don't have to tell you, he was just on his show.

[25] Very animated.

[26] But, yeah, he doesn't really.

[27] Yeah, it's like.

[28] fricking this and fricking that and what the frick he says what the frick it's nuts yeah you know also doesn't swear henry rollins ralins does not does not swear yeah but it makes note of it note that i don't swear it i mean i feel like that happened in the second half of his life because black flag records not so much yeah i think he's trying to uh get i don't say more people to listen to him like trying to be more mainstream but he's trying to eliminate the noise.

[29] Sure.

[30] And what he's doing.

[31] Sure.

[32] He's a brilliant mind.

[33] He is.

[34] Unlike me. I mean, you're really, Rogan, you've hit a, you've hit a little snag here.

[35] Teddy Atlas, Jordan Peterson, Shapiro, Henry Rollins, then this.

[36] No, dude.

[37] I love your music.

[38] Thank you, man. Fuck out of here.

[39] No. We were saying, you were saying, you know, about fuck -ups before the show, I was saying, I don't know anybody who's an artist who doesn't fuck things up.

[40] Like, if you really create, there's something about being, like legitimately creative there has to be something wrong with you well you're wired differently yeah so what what we perceive as what people see perceive as fucking up isn't to us yeah so technically it's a fuck up but in reality to us it's just um just behavioral it's just how it works it's just traits yeah sure if you were working in an office in human resources you would there's no way i'd be gone in like three hours yeah yeah but before that i probably put a bullet through my head if I was in a cubicle just give up at that point some people can do it though some people it's not a problem no I either just wired that way from but I knew from such an early age now I'm not wired this way you know what I'm saying yeah me too yeah I was terrified to getting a job all when I was a child yeah it's fearful but yeah what you've done though man it's um I've told you how much of a fan I am but I'm such a fan of how punk rock you've built all of this outside of what you were expected to do this show is a fuck you really it's just what it is you know what I mean this is what happens when you don't calculate well there's no count you just do what you want to do this is what happens but people don't have the balls to do that it's a little bit balls it's a little bit fear factor gave me a lot of financial freedom sure that was that helped too sure You know, when you're not worried.

[41] Yeah, news radio did a little bit, but Fear Factor did way more.

[42] It just gave me enough money so I go, okay, the money part I got.

[43] Yeah.

[44] So now let's just have some fun.

[45] Sure.

[46] But look what it's become.

[47] You change people's lives, man. That's weird.

[48] That's the weird part.

[49] That wasn't anticipated.

[50] It wasn't part of the plan.

[51] It was just supposed to be smoking weed and having a good time.

[52] Well, you're not aware until you're aware.

[53] Until people say, yo, you've helped me through tough times.

[54] This show has got.

[55] You know, people tell me about your show.

[56] You know, that guy gets me through tough times, you know, and that's what's more important than that?

[57] Well, people need friends, you know, and they need community.

[58] And one of the things that this show has shown, by having all my friends on all the times, like this is a tight group of people that love each other and care about each other and want to promote that way of thinking and being.

[59] You can do that.

[60] You can get through life and all support each other.

[61] Like, this backstabby bullshit that people get involved in, that is so dexterity.

[62] detrimental to you, to them, to everyone, to the sense of community that you create around each other?

[63] A clip of yours went viral of you talking about, just get the fuck, keep negative people the fuck away from me. And I had that around me and it was draining my spirit.

[64] It's one of the worst things.

[65] But when you're living a certain way and everything's fast, it's the same with comedy and you're on the road.

[66] Yeah.

[67] You're grinding it out.

[68] You can't always analyze, you can't always step back and say, this is why things are fucked up because everything's moving so fast.

[69] Right.

[70] You know, and it wasn't until I took that time and said there's cancers in my life.

[71] They're basically, they're emotional barnacles.

[72] Yeah.

[73] You know what I mean?

[74] And once you cut the cancer out, you see how different things become.

[75] And it's kind of, I didn't realize it was that easy Yeah, you can do it You can do it But to them too, it's a good lesson for them To be cast aside And for them If they're smart or if they have some awareness Or some objectivity They're going to look at themselves And say, you know what?

[76] I'm a fucking mess Yeah Like I'm negative all the time And people don't want to be around me I was real negative when I was younger So was I Yeah, it's not something that's insurmountable You can get over it Yeah, and it's whatever Whatever hands you've been dealt, you have to realize the reality is situation, bro.

[77] There's people living in mud huts in places that are smiling.

[78] Yeah.

[79] And I have the balls to be complaining about your tour.

[80] Right.

[81] And not getting enough sleep or I don't like to travel.

[82] Right.

[83] You just really have to assess that and say this isn't the way I should be thinking or processing information because we're blessed.

[84] Yeah.

[85] To do what we do, you know what I mean?

[86] You make people laugh, bro, for a living.

[87] I know.

[88] There's also, there's a balance that you can achieve between discipline and the creative people, like we were talking about like yourself, who are just off, you know, hand tattoos, wacky.

[89] Sure.

[90] Just something about, you know, people see you, like, what the fuck is this guy doing?

[91] They follow you when you're walking through a store.

[92] Sure.

[93] There's a balance between that and then real discipline people, like, you know, fucking Navy SEAL type cats.

[94] Yeah.

[95] You learn from them, too.

[96] Sure.

[97] And you go, well, you can incorporate some of that into your life as well.

[98] And it helps balance out all the wacky, creative aspects of it.

[99] And it makes you a little bit more productive, a little bit happier, a little bit.

[100] You know, Dead Presidents had a, they had a song, Discipline Makes Things Easier.

[101] Yes.

[102] It's a great fucking song.

[103] It is.

[104] It is.

[105] It's a great song.

[106] It is.

[107] Because it's real.

[108] It really does.

[109] Discipline makes things easier.

[110] It is real.

[111] Organize your life.

[112] Like, for me, when, uh, I'm, I feel most, of course, you know because of how you live, but your body feeds into how your mind works too.

[113] When I was talking about those horrible negative years, it was also dictated by terrible diet, terrible, you know, not that I'm in great shape or anything now, but I've changed things.

[114] And I felt it up here.

[115] Yeah.

[116] You know what I mean?

[117] That's what people don't think.

[118] You feel it in your brain.

[119] I feel like a different.

[120] person, man. After I, after I spar a little bit or whatever it is, feel different.

[121] I get more energy where you would think logic would dictate, you would get tired.

[122] I'm like, now I'm ready to write.

[123] I know, crazy, right?

[124] You know what I mean?

[125] It's counterintuitive.

[126] It is.

[127] But it's, but it's, but again, like you said, it's discipline.

[128] You know, it's, you know, my mother's making gravy and meatballs.

[129] It's, it's hard to say, my, I know, settle down.

[130] You got, you can eat that once a week.

[131] Once a week, you just go whole hog.

[132] You know?

[133] Gravy, that's such an East Coast Italian word.

[134] I know.

[135] My grandparents in New Jersey, it was gravy.

[136] I apologize to everyone that's not in New York, Philly and Jersey right now.

[137] It's barely New York.

[138] It's like, it's not Manhattan.

[139] No, they'll fight you.

[140] They'll say, it's sauce.

[141] Listen, man. It's fucking gravy, man. It's not do this.

[142] Yeah, gravy's New Jersey.

[143] New Jersey, like old school Italian soprano style.

[144] That's gravy.

[145] Philly's gravy.

[146] Then you go south of Philly, it becomes sauce again.

[147] Yes.

[148] It's fucking good no matter what.

[149] It is good.

[150] It's weird how, like if you go to, have you been to Italy?

[151] Yes.

[152] Yeah.

[153] Most, a lot of my family still over there.

[154] The food is fucking fantastic.

[155] Next level.

[156] But it's a different kind of food.

[157] It's, what Italian Americans did is a totally different cuisine.

[158] Yeah, it's interesting, right?

[159] It is.

[160] The meatballs, the lasagna.

[161] They will put some shit in front of you that you don't know what it is, but all right, let's have that it.

[162] Yeah, the Italian food in Italy is lighter.

[163] Yes.

[164] You know, it's a lot more fish.

[165] And then you have the regions, if you're north, if you're south, if you're insidji, if you're, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it is odd.

[166] It was culture shock just to think of what I've been eating for my mother's food and grandparents.

[167] You know what I mean?

[168] And then it's like, it's just different.

[169] My grandmother was fresh off the boat.

[170] she used to cook everything from scratch, tomato sauce from scratch, everything, the pasta, she would roll the pasta herself, she would do everything.

[171] She would make her own bread.

[172] She would do everything, everything from scratch.

[173] The bread wasn't, there was, the bread was occasional because a lot of times there was a, when they lived in New Jersey, there was a store that they would go to a bread place that you would go and buy fresh bread basically every couple days.

[174] Sure.

[175] And they would go bad, like within hours.

[176] because it was real bread without 8 ,000 preservatives dude I had a piece of bread the other day and it was sitting on the kitchen table for like a few hours I left I went back It was still soft as fuck Because it's all filled with chemicals Of course man Everything is Yeah Everything is It's like when you realize There's fluoride in our drinking water And people are just alright with that Yeah I'm not sure that that's That should be there I've read that I've read about Floyd and the drinking water like the pros and cons the pros don't make any sense to me not to me like brush your fucking teeth bitch yeah yeah i'm not i mean uh you know i'm not the i'm not the sharpest tool in the shed but i don't think it should be in on drinking water well it's you know and then there's you get into all the conspiracy theories that's when you got to wade through all the bullshit like okay it was a nazi plot to soften minds and oh it was it or is it just like i feel like somebody just got a lot of fluoride they're trying to sell and they got some sort of a deal with the government to dump it into the water.

[177] That's probably more logical.

[178] But the thing is with all that conspiracy shit, you have to sift through shit because there are kernels in there.

[179] That's the problem.

[180] Right.

[181] But they like that.

[182] Yeah.

[183] The more ridiculous, the more ridiculous the theories, the better it is for them because it seems more ridiculous than that you're a loon.

[184] Yeah.

[185] And.

[186] Oh, you mean they like the government.

[187] But whoever's dumping the floor.

[188] Yeah.

[189] Whoever they is.

[190] Whoever they is.

[191] Remember your grandmong used to say they.

[192] go, well, who's they?

[193] Right, right, right.

[194] They say that you're not supposed to say, who's they?

[195] Who are they?

[196] Who are they?

[197] But whoever they is, whatever they're doing, the more ridiculous things seem, it nullifies some more realistic things, like what they're pumping into food, into cattle, steroids and cattle.

[198] Like, for me, when we were younger, bro, white girls didn't have fat asses.

[199] Yeah, but they learned squats.

[200] You think that's what it is?

[201] I don't think it has to do with cattle.

[202] I really don't If you think it's squats There's a lot of white girls out there With flat asses to this day There is They're just lazy All right I'm gonna trust you Because you I believe you You're a gym guy Most of what's going on With food is not steroids Most of what's going on with food Is antibiotics Because they're getting sick From eating corn Okay If you watch There's a great documentary King Corn And it all It documents how A lot of cows Have huge issues Digesting all that corn It's not a natural thing for them.

[203] They're supposed to eat grass.

[204] Sure, sure, sure.

[205] It fattens them the fuck up and makes them quite tasty.

[206] Sure.

[207] But it's really not what they're supposed to be eating.

[208] That's interesting.

[209] Yeah.

[210] I mean, I guess I always start, chemically speaking, that that's what was being pumped into everything.

[211] No, because it's expensive.

[212] They don't need to do it either.

[213] Like, in Mexico, they still do it.

[214] That's how Canello got popped.

[215] Allegedly.

[216] Yeah.

[217] On an air quote, allegedly.

[218] That's how he got clembuterol in a system.

[219] Anyone thinks clembuterol came from a steak.

[220] fucking bridge to sell you in bookway but you can get it for mistake unfortunately oh yeah no there's fighters that say i oh no i train in mexico someone recently said i'm i don't see his name a fighter said yeah i eat it and it's got clenning it they're like then why didn't you get popped he's like because i don't inject it that was his line yeah well without a doubt there's some shenanigans going on in all combat sports all and all professional sports you get a little edge that's just the money involved of course being able to Yeah, and Teddy loses his mind with that.

[221] You know what I mean?

[222] Rightly so.

[223] When someone's that passionate about anything, I mean, the guy is just like, Jesus, man. Yeah, he's a treasure.

[224] He is.

[225] He is.

[226] He's an American treasure.

[227] Yeah, he is.

[228] He was great, man. His story's about his dad.

[229] Did you hear it?

[230] Did you hear the podcast?

[231] I watched half of it, but I read his book.

[232] And, you know, Teddy was a goon, man. Yeah.

[233] You know what I mean?

[234] Well, that's where he got that slice on the side of his face.

[235] It was hanging, his face was hanging off.

[236] Yeah, it's crazy.

[237] But, yeah, well, the Jordan Peterson, I mean, I'm in awe of that guy.

[238] Yeah, he's a really, really fascinating gentleman.

[239] He is, he is, and just scary smart.

[240] Yeah.

[241] You know, I would just crumble trying to have a conversation with the guy.

[242] You wouldn't, though.

[243] You'd just feel like a nitwit.

[244] You would catch up.

[245] That's what happens when you're around.

[246] Probably a couple days later, my friend.

[247] But the thing about people like that is, like, if you are around a certain caliber of thinker then your vibration sort of matches their vibration when you're around people that are way smarter than you you realize like oh there's some shortcuts to thinking that I'm taking and then there's some pitfalls in the way I analyze things and these people don't have those things and then my vocabulary stunted maybe I should increase my vocabulary maybe we should start reading more reading the things and it's just with most people it's the same thing as with fitness It's the amount of how much time you put in for how long.

[248] Right.

[249] And that's the same thing with your intellect.

[250] It's the same thing with your emotional stability.

[251] It's how much energy and effort and focus have you put into it and for how long?

[252] Yeah, of course.

[253] But like you said, though, to be around someone like him, you're naturally going to fall into a line of thinking where, wow, this guy's got a lot of shit.

[254] His understanding of his calmness, man. It's like, it's just, I can't see that guy being rattled.

[255] I've watched debates, and he's just, he's so confident in what he believes.

[256] Yeah.

[257] You know what I'm saying?

[258] Well, he's thought things through.

[259] He's not a silly person.

[260] I think I am, so that's the problem there.

[261] Yeah, I am too.

[262] Yeah, I'm a nitwit.

[263] So watching him, it's, you know, it's humbling to watch someone like him that's got it together and has that level of understanding.

[264] because I spend a lot of my life trying to get to that level understanding.

[265] So to watch someone that's there, it's like, it's just humbling.

[266] I'm just curious where he's going to go.

[267] Because him being known, you know, is relatively new.

[268] You know, this isn't a guy who's been, you know, it's a couple of years, right?

[269] Well, he's what you would call, like a public superstar intellectual now.

[270] You're right.

[271] That's a new thing.

[272] It is.

[273] It really hasn't existed over the last decade or so.

[274] No. It hasn't been.

[275] And now they're starting.

[276] And I think because of YouTube and podcasts and things on those lines, these guys are getting super popular.

[277] I mean, he's selling out places where fucking Iron Maiden plays.

[278] Absolutely.

[279] I mean, he's.

[280] Absolutely.

[281] It's crazy.

[282] And he talks about philosophy in life.

[283] Yeah.

[284] And if you told me that a place where Maiden would sell out, someone would go talk to a modern -day philosopher, I wouldn't believe that, you know what I mean?

[285] Because it's idiocracy now.

[286] You know he only eats meat?

[287] It's all he eats?

[288] No. Yeah, he's on this carnivore diet.

[289] Really?

[290] No vegetables at all.

[291] Nothing.

[292] Salt and meat and water.

[293] Wow.

[294] Yeah, he's so wacky with it.

[295] He told me that he had like a glass of cider and he couldn't sleep for 24 days.

[296] Like, he's not okay.

[297] He's eccentric, like in a heavy way.

[298] Yeah, he's a heavy guy.

[299] Yeah.

[300] But it's a burden.

[301] Being that guy is a burden.

[302] And I don't mean that in a negative or derogatory way.

[303] I mean, to be that smart and that...

[304] Well, don't you feel historically that they're the people who are the most sad and broken and...

[305] Because they know too much.

[306] There's nothing worse than knowing shit.

[307] The dumbest people I know are happy as a fucking slam, man. Simple people.

[308] Sure.

[309] And it's obviously his level of intellect is next level.

[310] but even being a bright guy or seeing just being a reader or reading Kafka and and Salinger and whoever and just becoming aware of certain things you realize certain times realizations aren't always the greatest things I used to tell that to kids when I was coaching them when I was coaching martial artists I would say you're scared because you're smart you see these people around you that aren't scared they're stupid of course they don't understand the possibility You're aware of the dangers and all the variables.

[311] You've got to put that aside and just concentrate on your technique and your task in hand.

[312] Sure.

[313] But the reason why you're scared is because you're smart.

[314] Everything, my life exists around fear.

[315] It's not good.

[316] It's not healthy.

[317] I'm not healthy mentally because of it.

[318] And I don't know how to shake that.

[319] But what kind of fear?

[320] My father died when I was 10.

[321] So I have the, like, my mom's my best friend, you know, and she's, She's 72 now.

[322] So, like, just every day is worried about her.

[323] Yeah.

[324] In every way, it's not even driven by anything that's rational.

[325] Right.

[326] It's like, she's sick.

[327] She's the best.

[328] You know what I mean?

[329] She's 72.

[330] Listen to Jay Z and where's Jordans.

[331] Does she?

[332] Yeah.

[333] She's the best.

[334] Did she sing along?

[335] Of course.

[336] I'm going to get a video of this.

[337] Yeah, no problem.

[338] No, but it's fear of not having her.

[339] fear of what the unknown i really i fear the unknown i fear what if this all ends right i've i've uh my adult life has been what i do which is music right yours has been too i don't bro i don't know how to do anything right i don't know how to fix a fucking car like right right right right mechanic i i don't know how to i don't i literally don't know how to do anything but that that that fear is for mechanics too because they're like fuck what if there's no more cars what if these electric cars come along i don't know to work a computer everything's going to be computer controlled.

[340] I mean, people's business, look, think about the poor bastard that opened up Blockbuster.

[341] He's like, we got this.

[342] We got this forever.

[343] Right.

[344] He's just spending money like it's growing.

[345] And then one day, they're like, oh, we got this new thing.

[346] It's called Apple TV.

[347] People like, fuck Apple TV.

[348] Yeah, Michael's that going to go.

[349] Michael Blockbuster is not living in a box somewhere.

[350] Yeah, probably.

[351] Yeah.

[352] Well, he probably sold.

[353] If he's smart, I probably saw the writing on the wall.

[354] Yeah.

[355] But, I mean, there's a lot of things that just go away and people find a way to make do.

[356] you get through whatever made you a successful rapper you could be successful at anything i don't know that i want that well you don't have to luckily i don't i don't want to be a successful mechanic i know i don't want to be either i don't want the the fear of not being able to continue the way i continue yeah i know um again from being a fan how you let you do what you want essentially yeah of course work is work and even though we love it it's still work and i think We both have people in our lives that don't get that.

[357] Yes.

[358] They think it's, when we talk when you were in Philly, I know people hit you up the day of the show.

[359] Can you get me two passes back, but?

[360] Like, it's a fucking party.

[361] Right.

[362] It's your job, man. Yeah.

[363] It's how you, it's how you, you know what I mean, put food on the table.

[364] And I think there's a disconnect there with people that don't live in that world that they think everything we do is a party.

[365] Yeah.

[366] Well, that, sorry, it goes back to discipline what we were talking about earlier, That you got to love it, but you also have to have the discipline to get the work done.

[367] Of course.

[368] You know?

[369] Of course.

[370] But I have a problem with people that don't understand that.

[371] That there's discipline involved.

[372] They think that there's not, that we got lucky.

[373] We didn't.

[374] Well, we did and we didn't.

[375] We did get lucky.

[376] We created something.

[377] We created our own luck, though.

[378] There's a little bit of that, for sure.

[379] We're lucky we live in America.

[380] We're lucky we weren't born in a shack in Ethiopia.

[381] Sure.

[382] There's luck, but then there's also you have to put in the work.

[383] And you have to figure out, it's a puzzle.

[384] It's this open -ended puzzle.

[385] You make what, you make it, you turn it into something.

[386] But you did it.

[387] You did it.

[388] You started, you got your shot, and you took it and had the balls to run with that shot.

[389] Some people fumbled a ball.

[390] There's a lot of fumblers out there.

[391] But I fumbled a bunch too.

[392] You just get back up and figure out why you fumbled.

[393] I fumbled, but I knew that I had to get back up.

[394] These people fumbled a ball.

[395] and then go into woe is me into the woe is me the one can't catch a break the universe is out to get me I can't catch a break this doesn't and that's all I can't say all but a lot of it is self -inflicted yeah it is well instead of looking it that way what they should look at it okay now I know how not to do it I learned now this is going to make me better you have to learn yeah you have to learn from everything that happens if you're not it's your father would say it's not a mistake if you learn from it yeah you have to be able to look it's adapt or die like we're Blockbuster right so adapt to die everything's changing with us you know what I mean this podcast is bigger than shows on terrestrial radio if you told me that back when I was listening to Stern I'd be like what are you even talking about a podcast can what is a podcast how big could that be and you're bigger than radio person well I thought that when I did it too when I first started doing it I never thought it was going to be a thing I thought it was just a goof I was doing it for fun.

[396] Like I would, like, respond to someone on Twitter.

[397] Like, just fuck it.

[398] Just have some fun.

[399] Yeah.

[400] And, but you change culture.

[401] You've shifted culture and how people communicate with this show.

[402] I mean, you should be very proud of that, man, if you're not already.

[403] I don't think about it.

[404] I think if you think about it, you'll trip over your own feet.

[405] I don't think about it.

[406] Someone can give me the best compliment ever, and I'm like, I'm a piece of garbage.

[407] You better off that way.

[408] Just keep pressing forward.

[409] Joe, we don't have a problem there.

[410] Well, like you were saying about your fear of it all going away, I think that fear is what makes you show up at the studio 10 minutes early.

[411] That fear is what makes you get out that notebook and start writing.

[412] Yeah.

[413] That fear is what makes you sit alone thinking about how you're going to structure this or, you know, write your next this.

[414] Yeah.

[415] That's, it's all important.

[416] People think that like a guy like you who's a successful rapper or a comedian that's successful, that you just got no worries anymore.

[417] That's bullshit.

[418] I have more worries now that I've ever had in my life.

[419] I have way more worries than when I had nothing in my pocket in high school when I was rapping on street corners.

[420] I think about it all the time.

[421] And how with that, and I look at the worries I had them, and they're laughable.

[422] I crack up at the shit that used to bother me. You know what's interesting?

[423] Could you imagine going back to the first day, starting over from scratch, knowing what you know now?

[424] How much better you would be, right?

[425] I can't even imagine, man. But think of that in the future as of now.

[426] That's heavy.

[427] yeah that's heavy you know if you look back on yourself like if you're a 60 year old man looking back of yourself you're like Vinnie you had the world by the balls of course the problem is um I have a problem with living in the moment I'm always thinking about the ramifications of that moment while the moment is happening yeah and it's it's it's it's um it's detrimental to my mental health to think that way you know what I mean I know I can't I see people live in the moment.

[428] I see people that just are able to let things wash over them.

[429] And I'm envious of that because everything is over -analysed in every way possible.

[430] And it eats at me, you know?

[431] Yeah, but I think that that's one of the reasons why your lyrics are so good.

[432] It's like a person has that sort of this, the over -analizing aspect of you is also what makes you go over all these details.

[433] and find better hooks and find a better way to phrase things.

[434] And this is like, you can't be complacent.

[435] You just can't.

[436] I just wish it could just only exist in that part of my life.

[437] I don't think it works, man. Everybody that I talked to the successful is the same way.

[438] They're all a mess.

[439] Yeah.

[440] What are we going to do about that, man?

[441] There's nothing you can do.

[442] You just got to keep fucking, you just got to not give a fuck and keep pressing forward and know that this is just part of who you are.

[443] I mean, if we go back historically, everyone's alone that was brilliant.

[444] Like, look at Lenin, you know, look at all these, you know what I'm saying?

[445] They're all crazy.

[446] Every comic that's ever lived, it's been crazy as fuck.

[447] I think Stan Hope's one of the brilliant, most brilliant minds ever, bat shit crazy, you know.

[448] Oh, yeah, he's a good buddy, Mark.

[449] Yeah, I know he is.

[450] You know, you look at, you know, whether it's Bill Hicks, whether it's Louis, whoever, you know what I mean?

[451] Kenison.

[452] Yeah, I mean, Sam was the most troubled person in the world.

[453] Well, that's my defense of Roseanne.

[454] You know, all these people are coming after Roseanne.

[455] I'm like, you don't understand.

[456] She's bad shit.

[457] She's not just bad shit.

[458] She got in a car accident.

[459] he has severe brain damage she's on all sorts of medications she has multiple personality disorder she's drinking she's on Ambien and she's seven years old what the fuck do you want right what do you want from this lady you you know and you spoke that way and so did Norm you know Norms talked about Louis and Roseanne and the same way you're like yo man she's bad shit crazy first of all like if you're going to her for you know if you're going to her for political discourse.

[460] You might want to reevaluate your life.

[461] Problems on you.

[462] Yeah, that's your fault.

[463] Yeah, that's your fault at some point.

[464] Yeah, and that doesn't mean either one of us agree with exactly what she wrote.

[465] It's just how she got there.

[466] But that's also why she's so funny.

[467] You know, if you go back and watch Roseanne in the early days.

[468] Bro, that show was fucking heavy, man. It was a great show.

[469] And her stand -up, even before that, was fantastic.

[470] I put her in the top 20 of all -time stand -ups.

[471] She was brilliant.

[472] She was brilliant.

[473] She was also a monster man. Like, there was nobody like her before.

[474] Like, she was just his brash.

[475] I don't give a fuck.

[476] Yeah.

[477] She was like a man. Yeah, man. She would kill like a, like a world -class stand -up.

[478] Sure.

[479] I mean, I remember, like, when that show came on, just seeing that house.

[480] I had never seen a house like that on television before.

[481] You know what I mean?

[482] Like closer to what we knew than what I had ever seen.

[483] My house didn't look like the Cosby's.

[484] You know what I mean?

[485] I was like, maybe Archie Bunker, you know, it was like a little bit like closer.

[486] But it's when people are bad shit crazy and someone reacts to that with not confusion, with contempt, I'm like, you understand they're bad shit crazy.

[487] Right.

[488] And it's part of why they got to where they're at.

[489] Yeah.

[490] Don't, don't act surprise now that someone said something loony.

[491] Yeah.

[492] This many years after, you know what I mean?

[493] It just seems strange to me that now you're, blown away.

[494] She's been saying bad shit crazy shit for a long time.

[495] I think it's also part of this new culture that we have in where people just, they find a target and they attack.

[496] Of course.

[497] It's like if you have, if there's any sort of weakness, like if you have chickens and one chicken gets sick, that's what that pecking order thing is.

[498] One chicken doesn't feel good.

[499] The other chickens just, they don't like make moral judgments on this chicken.

[500] They just find a target.

[501] They just find a There's something wrong with that chicken, so they start fucking it up.

[502] Right.

[503] And it happens with dogs.

[504] It's an animal thing.

[505] It is.

[506] And human beings, we have to, if we're going to be real, if we're going to be compassionate, we're really going to be compassionate, if we're really going to, like, try to engineer a better culture and a better community, we've got to stop doing that.

[507] I agree.

[508] We've got to just stop attacking people.

[509] Like, she didn't, I believe, I talked to her on the phone, just me and her.

[510] She did not know that lady was black I believe she didn't know that lady She goes she looks Jewish She looks like me That's what she said I believe you I believe her too I think she was just cracking a joke Fucked up on Ambien Sure Been drinking and smoking weed all night Sure But no one cares What her intent was All they care is I got a green light That's a target We're gonna go in Well here's my issue with the modern The modern left Is They talk completely passion but they pounce yeah it's i feel like a man with no country now because i don't i don't the modern left isn't something that i gravitate towards and neither is the right and when i was growing up and listening to public enemy you know and that left of it changed it changed and i didn't yeah yeah and you and you have these people um I don't know where I'm at, I stand anymore, man. Well, I think there's, there's rational, left -leaning people that are against discrimination and for welfare and for food.

[511] Look, I was on welfare when I was a kid.

[512] If people say I shouldn't be on welfare, well, what the fuck, man?

[513] My parents were on welfare.

[514] No, I came from a poor family.

[515] We had food stamps.

[516] And eventually they did better and we got off of it.

[517] But if you want to tell me that that doesn't help, that fed me. Absolutely.

[518] So how could I ever go against that when that was a part of my childhood?

[519] Absolutely.

[520] Like all these things that people want to associate with being, you know, like with left or right.

[521] I think there's just a gigantic problem with people being tribal.

[522] That's what it is.

[523] It's tribalism at its highest degree, which since I've been alive, I haven't seen.

[524] Never seen it like this before.

[525] I think we know why.

[526] Well, it's facilitated not just by Trump, but it's also by, the ability to communicate instantaneously.

[527] Of course.

[528] Without any consideration.

[529] And you could just tweet something or make a YouTube video about something instantaneously.

[530] Sure.

[531] Roseanne's ability to tweet that.

[532] Yeah.

[533] That quickly with the phone is why.

[534] Sunker show costs millions of dollars.

[535] People lost their jobs.

[536] ABC junk, you know, it's like.

[537] Yeah, now they're going to do the Connors.

[538] Guess what?

[539] That show's going to fucking sink like the Titanic.

[540] Of course.

[541] No Roseanne.

[542] Get the fuck out of here.

[543] It's Roseanne without Roseanne.

[544] Right.

[545] Three episodes a little bit.

[546] That's like flavor -free Diet Coke.

[547] It tastes like water.

[548] Just have water, motherfucker.

[549] It's Diet Coke, but without the flavor.

[550] It's true.

[551] What?

[552] It's true.

[553] And I don't, it's just, it's the hypersensitivity, and it's like the ability for anyone right or wrong to be able to say something right then.

[554] Right.

[555] Where you would have, you know, if you're doing Fear Factor and Rolling Stone interviewed you, there's a thought.

[556] process there and there's editing and you're sitting there and you're talking with a journalist all of that's gone man it's like it that's what it's come down to you know we all three those phones in our pockets can say something crazy right now if we stubbed our toe right it's not fuck this and all of a sudden you're done you're sunk there's good in that because the tyranny of these gigantic organizations like if they were tyrannical if they did have an agenda if they were trying to smear you.

[557] You were fucked.

[558] You had no recourse.

[559] Right.

[560] And they did that to many people, I'm sure.

[561] There's unscrupulous journalists.

[562] Sure.

[563] But also, journalistic integrity takes a backseat, too, because now they have to get clicks.

[564] Like, these people are...

[565] Real journalists are fighting for their lives.

[566] Absolutely.

[567] Because these publications are going under.

[568] Well, real journalism is almost dead.

[569] It's not totally dead.

[570] But real...

[571] It's bad.

[572] It's hurting.

[573] It's got emphysema.

[574] Like, the Alex Jones thing, right?

[575] Whether I agree with shit he says or not, Corporations shut him down, and that, to me, that's scary, that the corporations can decide what we are able to hear, really.

[576] Yeah.

[577] Well, I was having a good conversation about this last line with some friends, and they were talking about whether or not things like YouTube or Twitter or Instagram should be regulated like utilities.

[578] Okay.

[579] Where anybody can use it.

[580] Okay.

[581] You know, like, you have the right to get the power.

[582] Like if you have a house, you have the right to pay your money, you get your power turned on.

[583] It's a utility.

[584] Yes.

[585] Maybe a channel like that, whether it's YouTube or whether it's Twitter, maybe a channel should be treated like a utility.

[586] But then the question is like, what is it exactly that is good enough to get you kicked off?

[587] Because I've seen some horrible shit that people have read or written rather on Twitter and they're still on.

[588] I've seen shit Whatever he's being Whatever you know Is why he was brought down I've seen people say much more shit The big thing was the Sandy Hook And it was that The Sandy Hook thing was He said that he thought That it was fake He's since disavowed that But they don't care if you disavowed things It's like they have this thing on you now You said that the kids didn't die They definitely did Let's get rid of you But are you saying that people aren't allowed to make mistakes?

[589] Are you saying that people aren't allowed to evolve their thinking?

[590] Are you saying that people aren't allowed to say things that are wrong?

[591] Because a lot of people say things that are wrong.

[592] But is it only things that are wrong about children?

[593] Like where what standards?

[594] Where's the line?

[595] I don't know where lines are anymore.

[596] And I don't know who's the one drawing.

[597] Well, it's these people that either are the CEOs or the stockholders or, you know, the CFOs, whoever it is that is in the meeting that's dictating these standards, they're deciding.

[598] And these are gigantic corporations that we were just talking about this.

[599] I don't think they ever anticipated this.

[600] I think when they made Twitter, like Jamie was saying, it was a fun way to, like, tell your friends.

[601] You know, Vinnie Paz and Joe Rogan are going to the movies.

[602] Sure.

[603] And that's what you would do.

[604] That's what Twitter was.

[605] It was just like, I'm eating pizza at the mall.

[606] Yeah.

[607] It wasn't anything crazy.

[608] Right.

[609] And then people started using as a platform for, I don't know what.

[610] Well, Sam Harris has been tweeting to Jack.

[611] he's been trying to get Jack to ban Trump He's like, look, he's like He's clearly violating your standards of practice He's clearly doing that And he's like, Jack just won't respond to him anymore Wow Jack's going radio silent Yeah, he's like fuck this I don't need to deal with this in my life I mean you don't want to do that right now Maybe when he gets impeached then you ban him Oh, if you read that guy's Twitter The fact that he's the leader of the free world Crazy.

[612] It's bat shit.

[613] Crazy what he's doing.

[614] He calls people losers.

[615] Leader of the free world.

[616] Calls people losers.

[617] He's threatening nuclear war.

[618] I love, my favorite is very sad with the exclamation.

[619] All caps.

[620] Yes.

[621] That's like my, that's my favorite thing.

[622] If we get through this without getting blown up, we're going to look back and laugh at the Trump days.

[623] They're going to be fun.

[624] I don't know how long we're into his presidency.

[625] When I walk by the TV and hear someone say President Trump, I still have a little chuckle.

[626] You know, it might not be a hearty laugh.

[627] It might not be a belly laugh, but I still crack up.

[628] Well, it's been two years.

[629] Yeah.

[630] Because I, this is how I know.

[631] I know by Netflix specials.

[632] Oh.

[633] Because my last Netflix special was exactly two years ago.

[634] And during that special, I was like, we are that close to President Trump.

[635] And people are laughing.

[636] Like, ha, ha, ha.

[637] I was laughing.

[638] I was like, I went to bed or whatever, whatever, knowing that there was zero chance.

[639] Yeah.

[640] You know?

[641] And I didn't think.

[642] Hillary was a great candidate, but I thought a fucking, I thought a cardboard box would beat him.

[643] Yeah, I thought people would think of him as more of a liability than anything.

[644] But the thing is, this people in middle America just don't feel represented.

[645] They feel disrespected and not represented.

[646] And he figured that out and tapped into that.

[647] He did.

[648] Well, I saw Jordan Peterson say something in this interview.

[649] And it made me think because obviously we're joking right now.

[650] And the joke about him is how dumb he is.

[651] and Jordan Peterson said, the reason he's in and the biggest mistake Americans have made is underestimating him and thinking he's dumb.

[652] Yeah.

[653] You know what I mean?

[654] He's not dumb.

[655] He just does dumb shit.

[656] Yes.

[657] And he's definitely an egomaniac.

[658] I think he has narcissistic personality disorder.

[659] But that doesn't mean you're stupid.

[660] Right.

[661] You know what I mean?

[662] But he took advantage of exactly what you said.

[663] There's a big portion of this.

[664] country, you've been there.

[665] I've been there.

[666] You're an East Coast guy.

[667] I'm an East Coast guy.

[668] Now, we're both on the West Coast.

[669] Because of what we do, these are the worlds we know and what we're surrounded by.

[670] And my father used to say, if you don't live near a coast, you're a retard.

[671] Now I have to, more than half the country hates me. I don't believe that, but my father said that.

[672] But anyway, and when you go through the middle of the country on tour and you meet people, I've been like, yo, I've never met anyone like this before.

[673] Not in a good way or a bad way.

[674] I just...

[675] You're not around them.

[676] I'm not around them.

[677] And they probably feel like no one has ever spoken for me. Yeah.

[678] You know what I mean?

[679] And even if a dim wit does, that's better than no one's speaking for me. Right.

[680] That's better than someone just calling them fly overstate and disrespecting them.

[681] Of course.

[682] Of course.

[683] And when I was younger, I did it too.

[684] I talked that way.

[685] You know, when tours would get booked, oh, I don't want to go there.

[686] It's just youth.

[687] It's just, it's ego of being where you're from, from the East Coast.

[688] Well, obviously, everyone on the East Coast is very proud of that fact.

[689] Everyone in the West is very proud of that fact.

[690] You know, it's just, you know, I don't know anything about Arkansas pride.

[691] You know, it's just naivete.

[692] I just don't know anyone there.

[693] There's no fucking Italians there.

[694] I don't know.

[695] That's what I am.

[696] I'm a whoop.

[697] My family's from Italy, you know.

[698] It's just naivete and it's being an ignorant American.

[699] I spent a lot of time like that until I saw the world, not the country, the world.

[700] And being on different continents, it changes your thinking, man. And, you know, the thing you were talking about with diet and discipline, like, you know, these people run, walk everywhere, run everywhere, ride bikes everywhere.

[701] McDonald's is eating like once a year as a crazy, you know, night out.

[702] Like, my son lives overseas, you know.

[703] He's had McDonald's like three times In his life You know, little kids here It's like every day Mommy chicken McNuggets You see cultural shifts And why there's no Like I've talked to people over there Who didn't know what autism was They never heard of it Legitimately like what is that And I had to explain it And that shit got me thinking too It's like, okay Why?

[704] Why?

[705] Why is that?

[706] Why is that not happening there?

[707] What could be the reason?

[708] Artism?

[709] Autism.

[710] Autism.

[711] Autism.

[712] Oh, the disease.

[713] Okay, I thought you're saying artism.

[714] Oh, I'm sorry.

[715] I was like, what is that?

[716] I don't know what it is either.

[717] Shit.

[718] You were looking at me. I was trying to figure out if you meant artisan, like handcrafted.

[719] Yes, yes, yes.

[720] Autism.

[721] Autism.

[722] Yeah, it's that accent, bro.

[723] Sorry, my friend.

[724] Sorry, buddy.

[725] No, but.

[726] Yeah.

[727] Yeah, well, they, you know, it's more common, I think, now than ever before, but the question is whether it's more common because it's more diagnosed or whether it's more common because there's more incidents of it.

[728] Yeah.

[729] There's a lot of questions as to why.

[730] One of the big ones is apparently older people having kids, people waiting and putting off the children.

[731] And particularly men.

[732] Apparently there's a big risk for older men.

[733] Older men a lot of times have autistic kids.

[734] I have more than a couple friends with autistic kids.

[735] children and and and uh i just it like do you remember when we were young i think like the first time i even was aware it was probably the movie rain man i'm not even being funny about no me too 100 % first time i was aware did it exist and wasn't diagnosed or it's something about it i don't think they made it up for the movie it's like the disease came along right right right but but what happened what happened is a chemical is it uh people that were on drugs is it is it things or did it just, was it undiagnosed?

[736] I think there's a bunch of factors.

[737] I think undiagnosed is one of them.

[738] I think also the ability to exchange information now allows you to be aware of it much quicker because of the internet, because people, you know, text and tweet and do these things on phones.

[739] Now you hear conversations about autism and all these different things that you don't hear about before.

[740] And then I think it's entirely possible that, well, first of all, there's definitely more people now than ever before.

[741] Yeah.

[742] So because of more people, you're going to have more incidences of all sorts of diseases.

[743] It's cancer, whatever it is.

[744] And the question is, is it more per capita or is it more period?

[745] Because there's more people.

[746] I don't know the answer.

[747] Sure.

[748] Well, what you said about more knowledge and information being able to be shit.

[749] I have a dissociative disorder.

[750] It's called depersonalization disorder.

[751] What does that do?

[752] So basically, I'll be sitting here talking to you and I'll just, my mind, body, and soul will remove itself in my body.

[753] I feel like I'm floating down over my body.

[754] I'll look at my hands and they won't.

[755] feel like mine do you smoke weed no that's the problem no it'll it'll trigger it will it yes right now if we got high you would you would float above yourself i would fucking take that deer head and put it through my ear i would lose my shit and i'm envious i'm envious of how weed has helped so many people and that it can't help me what does it do to you it makes me i smoke when I was young and what happened was something triggers DPD and people it's uh you know it could be a traumatic event it could be PTSD you know what I'm saying gun to my head I would say it was my father dying but it didn't happen right away because he died when I was 10 and this started when I was 14 I smoked a blunt of dust oh yeah and lost my shit and for about 18 months I no lie I thought I was in purgatory whoa How old were you?

[756] 14.

[757] I was like, I'm definitely not in hell.

[758] I'm definitely not in heaven, whatever those might be.

[759] Wow.

[760] Yo, man. And this is, so this is back then.

[761] There is no Twitter in it.

[762] I didn't even know what it was.

[763] I went to a doctor, told him what happened.

[764] He was like, oh, it was what you smoked, you know.

[765] Don't do that again.

[766] And it never left.

[767] And then I get these episodes.

[768] I'll be in the shower on tour in the Czech Republic, washing my hair, closing my eyes.

[769] and I'll open them and not know where I'm at.

[770] No clue where I'm at and I feel like I'm floating outside of my body.

[771] You know when you would hear the stories of people dying in an out -of -body experience?

[772] That's literally my disorder.

[773] I had an out -of -body experience once when I took Salvia.

[774] I was over here, like, floating above my, pulsating.

[775] Were you scared?

[776] About myself?

[777] No, I was tripping balls.

[778] I didn't know.

[779] Yes, I get, I think it's it.

[780] Like, I'm doing the Fred G. G. Sanford, Elizabeth, I'm coming to see her.

[781] When you hear those, Those drug stories where a guy gets fucked up for like a year.

[782] Those scared a shit out of me. Well, it happened.

[783] Mark Maren was telling us about that.

[784] Like, he did Coke with Sam Kinnison for like a couple of days or they didn't sleep.

[785] And he was fucked up for a year.

[786] For a whole year, he heard voices.

[787] I would trade being fucked up for a year to do coke with Sam Kinnison.

[788] No, but it was like 18 months of my life.

[789] And, yo, how do you tell your Italian mother that?

[790] No, you can't.

[791] You got to keep your mouth shut.

[792] When you come from that culture, man, like my family, like old school Italians, they don't believe mental.

[793] You have to see it.

[794] Right.

[795] They believe in cancer because they see it, destroy your body.

[796] Right.

[797] If you say, I'm bipolar, I'm depressed.

[798] You know what I'm said?

[799] Like, I'm diagnosed depressed.

[800] I'm diagnosed DPD.

[801] I take medication for it.

[802] That still isn't enough for these people.

[803] Right.

[804] It's to shake it off.

[805] Right.

[806] You know what I mean?

[807] If my father was alive, he probably threw me up the flight of stairs for that.

[808] That's what Joey Diaz calls immigrant mentality.

[809] Immigrant mentality is real, and I'm going to steal that because they want no, again, if it's not tangible, they don't believe in it, man. If I broke my leg, that woman would do everything for me. If I'm in the middle of a fucking breakdown, she's like, you want gravy and meatballs?

[810] I'm like, ma, I'm losing my shit.

[811] I need to be hospitalized.

[812] Right.

[813] Can't process it.

[814] Ben, the best woman, I love no one in the world more than my mother.

[815] And she's, no one has been more supportive of me. And that's rare, too, with the immigrant mentality.

[816] You think I'd get to get a job, go to college.

[817] And she was like, baby, you do you.

[818] Like, if that's what you want, do it.

[819] That's amazing.

[820] Do it, but you better do it.

[821] Right.

[822] Don't do it, have ass and don't bullshit.

[823] You know, this drinking 40s and smoking blunts rap shit looks good.

[824] in the video, but you got to work.

[825] Right.

[826] You know what I mean?

[827] And it's, um, the work ethic, you know, like Joey said, the immigrant mentality, but it helps you in other places because when you, when you have relatives that didn't have shit and, you know, they're dressed in potato sacks as there, you go, yo, I can't let my father down.

[828] He's not with us anymore.

[829] Yeah.

[830] But I can't let him down because, um, I carry his name.

[831] Right.

[832] I don't want to embarrass him.

[833] him.

[834] I don't want to embarrass my mother.

[835] I want her to be proud, you know.

[836] And that drives everything, man. Like, I'm getting choked up talking about it because it's like I do everything for her, my son.

[837] And when you're driven by that, it doesn't have to be your mom.

[838] When you're driven by something that you care about, it changes everything, man. We have people in our industries, an entertainment industry that just have this fucking sense of entitlement, man. It's, It's plagued.

[839] I know you know comics with a fucking sense of incitlement.

[840] When they're rude, when you go backstage, I know from how you are that you shake everyone's hand, say how you doing.

[841] Thank you when they bring you something.

[842] Please thank you.

[843] Your people don't do that, man. I know.

[844] You know what it drives me crazy when they don't do that at waiters.

[845] Waiters and waitresses, they don't say thank you and they don't tip or they don't tip well?

[846] Last night the bill was 1 .30 in the bar.

[847] And I gave them $2 .30.

[848] And the guy, like, chased me and to stop me. Yeah.

[849] And I'm, you know, I think they made a mistake.

[850] He did.

[851] He said, did you?

[852] He was like, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, did you mean to do this?

[853] You took care of me all night, man. And I know that people are shitting on you.

[854] Right.

[855] And leaving a dollar or maybe not even that.

[856] Yeah.

[857] And same with waitresses, man. No one gets shit on more than them.

[858] What do they get, like $2 an hour or something?

[859] And you know when you really appreciate them?

[860] When you go overseas and they don't get tips.

[861] Yes.

[862] Because those people barely pay attention to you.

[863] Those motherfuckers don't care.

[864] You'll sit in Amsterdam.

[865] Damn, they won't even come over to give you your soda for an hour.

[866] And in Italy, we were eating at some nice restaurants, and the service was terrible.

[867] Awful.

[868] Awful.

[869] Because they don't give a fuck.

[870] They don't give a fuck.

[871] They can't pay the exact same amount.

[872] Why would they act any different than someone at Burger King?

[873] You know what the lady said to me at the restaurant?

[874] She goes, we don't include a tip.

[875] But if you want, you can leave one.

[876] And I said, listen, baby, I'm going to leave you one.

[877] Take care of us.

[878] It's okay.

[879] So we had like a little American exchange there.

[880] So don't worry about it, baby.

[881] I got you.

[882] If you set it up, if you set it up, if you're, There's a preamble.

[883] Yeah.

[884] Then it works.

[885] That's what you got to do.

[886] Like when they're sitting you down, you say, listen, I'm from America.

[887] We tip in America.

[888] Set the precedent.

[889] Set the precedent.

[890] We tip.

[891] I tip big.

[892] Right.

[893] Let's make this wonderful.

[894] You're setting the Rogan precedent.

[895] I'm taking care of you.

[896] Yeah.

[897] So take care of us.

[898] Yeah.

[899] Yeah, man. But it's just, you know, when the kid brings in a case of water, I'm like, hey, man, thank you.

[900] I've had those kids say to me, yo, I've been doing this 15 years.

[901] No one's ever addressed me. Right.

[902] And I'm like, uh, That's awful, eh, and I'm sorry for that, but it's not going to be for me. A kid that brings the towels for the stage, hey, thank you.

[903] Thank you so much for having us.

[904] I appreciate you.

[905] I hope we did good.

[906] I hope the bar did well because my fans are degenerates.

[907] I hope this went, you know?

[908] Yeah.

[909] And I think that goes a long way, bro, in life, you know?

[910] I don't want to get into like a karma discussion, but I think whether it's a comic or rapper, a metal band, And if you treat people like shit for a long time, that gets around, bro.

[911] Like, comic promoters know each other.

[912] Music promoters know each other.

[913] They'll fucking call it.

[914] Yo, this guy's a fucking dick face, man. I get those stories, you know, like I was talking to a promoter the other day, and he was telling me about some guy who's an asshole.

[915] And it was, like, yelling at the sound guy, the sound check and yelling at the promoter, made them fly to New York for some thing because the sound wasn't right or he wasn't happy with something.

[916] and they have to accommodate this guy but they're shaking their head and then every chance they get they're going to tell everybody else of course what a prima don't know and if he's popular right now when he starts to wane those motherfuckers will remember that now when dudes like me and you if we start to wane we'll still get love because of the way we treated people and that's reciprocated like yo maybe he did 5 ,000 people last time this time I'm talking 20 years down the line or something and then you only do half, they're still going to have you because of the way you behave, the way you were raised.

[917] Well, it's also, you got an opportunity when you're interacting with people.

[918] Like, if you're working with someone and you guys are doing something together, you got an opportunity to just put smiles on faces.

[919] Yes.

[920] And they put smiles on other people's faces.

[921] Because of that, everybody's smiling.

[922] Then you've got a nice little community.

[923] Trickle -down effect, man. And what...

[924] It takes more energy to be an asshole.

[925] It does for me, because I can be an asshole.

[926] And when I am, I feel drained.

[927] Yeah.

[928] It drains the shit out of me. I don't feel good about it.

[929] I just have a temper.

[930] I have a wop temper.

[931] But I try to curb it.

[932] And I realize when I treat people the way that they deserve to be treated, everything changes.

[933] The energy in the room changes.

[934] They might bring you, I don't know if you drink or smoke before you perform.

[935] Both.

[936] Both.

[937] Okay.

[938] So if on your rider is two bottles of Great Goose, you might look over, there might be four.

[939] Just because you're a sweetheart, not because you ask for it.

[940] It's just little shit.

[941] I'm not even saying it's a big deal and it's life -changing.

[942] There's just little shit that people will you know, it makes their day just by us being polite instead of the guy that they had the last night there was a ball breaker and saying the sound man the blah blah first off the guy you don't have a fuck with a sound man as a performance.

[943] That motherfucker will get you.

[944] That motherfucker's got a ponytail.

[945] He fucking listens.

[946] He smokes weed to the almond brothers.

[947] He's been around the block And people don't realize that shit That motherfucker is 60 He fucking listened to the MC5 He fucking did sound for everybody You and I probably worship He is not impressed He's probably impressed by you He's definitely not impressed by me A rapper from Philly He don't give a fuck He don't want to be doing my sound So the last thing I need to do Is be like yo schmohawk Turn this up This is done a you know But there's a mentality that a lot of people adopt, that when they become successful, they want to be a prick.

[948] They want to let everybody know.

[949] They want to be that guy who yells and wrecks hotel rooms.

[950] You know that kind of shit?

[951] Oh, I do.

[952] But I can't, I don't understand it.

[953] Yeah.

[954] You know.

[955] I understand it.

[956] Do you?

[957] It's a weakness.

[958] And it's just they waited for so long to make it.

[959] Now they finally make it.

[960] They want everybody to suck their dick.

[961] But do you think that things like that can be.

[962] controlled by upbringing.

[963] Yeah, they can be, but it's also...

[964] Like, my, I hear...

[965] All right, so I'm ready to smash something in a hotel.

[966] I hear my mom.

[967] If you do that to those...

[968] That maid is going to have to spend all that...

[969] You know what I mean?

[970] She tells me, when I'm cranky about a show, I'm leaving for a tour and there's no sleep, she said, you talk to every one of those kids, you sign every autograph, and you take every picture.

[971] I'm going upside your head with a wooden spoon.

[972] And the wooden spoon still has the crack from my head from back then, still the one she stirs the gravy with, but it's still cracked.

[973] But she said, you are here for a reason, and these people look up to you, and these people respect you, and you do your best to not just continue that, but to have them think you're a better person than they already do, because that's going to trickle down, and then maybe they'll treat people better.

[974] Yeah.

[975] You said it.

[976] All of this, all this energy travels, man. It does.

[977] You know, if someone was in here right now, just all three of us will get miserable real quick.

[978] If someone was in here, bitch, everyone's out to get me. Everyone this and that.

[979] It's everyone's fault, man, except theirs.

[980] You know that type of motherfucker?

[981] Yeah.

[982] It's never there for every fucking decision they made is self -inflicted, but they can't self -examine and say, maybe it's me. How about just give me a maybe, motherfucker?

[983] Some of these people I know, that's not even in their head.

[984] It's all of us.

[985] It's you.

[986] it's me you didn't give them a break you didn't let them on this show motherfucker maybe it's you yeah maybe your energy it's also our responsibility to cast those people aside agreed as a lesson agree and that's what tribes would do but when you're talking about a lesson I think when you're too deep into it you're not learning I think when you hit a certain age and you're still like that right I think you're done some people yeah I just think you're done I know that's a negative way and we're talking about not being negative but sometimes just reality's reality well if you're being pragmatic and you want to talk about like good use of your time yeah you're not going to fix a 45 -year -old guy who complains every day and that's what I'm talking about a 25 -year -old kid might be going through some shit it could be a breakup a loss of a parent bad pattern that they're in yeah of course and you have to break patterns and if you don't break them you end up being that 45 -year -old guy I was a shitty friend to people man I'm I've always been loved and like in my 20s and shit I was just selfish like nothing crazy I never did anything like horrible to someone but just just I thought about myself first and I was probably like not maybe the like best friend to some of these people and they're still in my life and I had to make a conscious effort to to evolve to evolve and break patterns man breaking patterns is hard as fuck it's hard as fuck but that's part of growth you know and that's one of the reasons why it's important to be around people that are also doing the same kind of thing you feed off of each yes yes and when you're around people that are just real negative that feeds off of it too of course you want to be negative as well yeah and and you don't feel the need to break that cycle because you're around motherfuckers that are thinking like that too so it becomes this this pity party where you're all it's a circle jerk of misery you know what i'm saying and and the circle jerk of misery it's just it's it's never ending man don't you think that one of the things that really expands your understanding of people in life is just being in a bunch of different places and understanding that where you're where you grew up is just one part of the world.

[987] Yes.

[988] And the world is this massive place.

[989] Like, I just got back from Thailand.

[990] I was in Thailand this summer.

[991] I'd never been around so many friendly people.

[992] Right.

[993] Friendly, nice, smiling people that I think they call it the land of the smile or land of a thousand smiles or some show like that.

[994] That's beautiful.

[995] But that's what it's like.

[996] When you're over there, people are just so friendly.

[997] And I was like, wow, okay, if you grew up here, something about whatever momentum that these people have developed in their culture, their culture is like smiling and friendly to.

[998] each other.

[999] This is just the vibe, the way they do it.

[1000] But if you were around some real agro, super shitty, insulting, aggressive culture, then that would be what you had to adapt to.

[1001] Bro, Philly was voted the most hostile city in America by Time Magazine.

[1002] Oh, it's up there.

[1003] So, you know, I was always, when I was in Philly, recently, when I said, this is how I described Philly.

[1004] I said, they're very smart people who will punch you.

[1005] Yeah.

[1006] That's a good description of me. Not the very smart, not the very smart.

[1007] Media of average intelligence that will punch you.

[1008] But Philly's a sophisticated city.

[1009] It's a real city, but they're all, they're hard people.

[1010] Goons, man. Yeah, there's, they're hard people there.

[1011] Look, man, we threw, you know, we threw those snowballs at Santa Claus.

[1012] Michael Irvin broke his leg and we cheered.

[1013] Well, the famous Bill Burr rant when they booed Dom Irera and then Bill Burr went on tortured Philly for 10 minutes.

[1014] Yes, yes.

[1015] I love Dom.

[1016] I love Dom.

[1017] Me and Dom eat at the same restaurant.

[1018] I'm working with Dom tonight.

[1019] Are you?

[1020] At the Ice House.

[1021] Big Peety, little PD, O 'E Petit?

[1022] He's the best.

[1023] We eat at a place called Poppies in South Philly, and I see him all the time.

[1024] He's a sweetheart.

[1025] He's a great guy.

[1026] Great guy, man. Legend.

[1027] Yeah.

[1028] I just saw him on the Bruce Willis roast, and he murdered on that.

[1029] He murdered.

[1030] But he's a great guy.

[1031] But I've been friends with Dom for like 25 years.

[1032] Have you?

[1033] Yeah.

[1034] Wow.

[1035] You know he's a Philly guy, right?

[1036] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1037] But, yeah, what you, like, there's also a level of guilt, though, in cutting some of these people off that you were talking about.

[1038] That's kind of hard for me. Yeah.

[1039] Because, like, loyalty's a big thing, too, when you're talking about all these.

[1040] You got to tell them.

[1041] These parts, they don't listen.

[1042] Then you got to tell them again.

[1043] If they don't listen, then you got to cut them off, and then you go, look, I told you.

[1044] That's what's happening now, but I still, it eats at me. I feel bad.

[1045] Like, I should be, like, it's a savior complex.

[1046] You know what I'm saying?

[1047] I know I don't want anyone to be fucked up man And I have a hard time Being like Yo this person is detrimental And they They They're My energy is fucked up With them being in my life But when it's time to cut them off I still feel like Am I being a shitty person Am I doing that?

[1048] Yeah well that's what they want you to think Because they don't take care of themselves You got to take care of yourself Before I take care of you I mean you got at least want to I'll help you you if you want to yeah but if you're not taking care of yourself and you want me to do it for you hey hey you got to get your own shit together first yeah at least get make an attempt you can't just ask everybody to carry your bags like come on they want you to carry their emotional bags exactly all the time and and again like i said there's no there's no introspection there's no well maybe this many years and all of this shit happened to me maybe it's me and i'm a dickhead when you can't see that, I feel like, I don't know, man. Calling people lost cause, it seems very dark and grim, but I think they exist.

[1049] Well, I think you probably have this attitude because your dad died when you were young and you were left alone.

[1050] Yeah.

[1051] You know, and I have a lot of that because my father and my mother split up when I was real young and I haven't seen my dad since I was seven.

[1052] So it's the same sort of thing.

[1053] You feel abandoned and so you don't want to leave anybody behind.

[1054] So I always rescued stray dogs and feral cats and took in crazy friends.

[1055] and this my whole life has been like that you've taken in the misfits and your father made that decision and that weighs on you and my father made the decision to die he had three he had bypass surgeries they told him stop smoking stop doing this stop doing that he had my older brother bring cigarettes to the hospital he drug the IV down to the bathroom and was smoking out of the window he he had a young son and made a choice not to live for him my other brother is 11 and 12 years older.

[1056] So they got him for, they were 21 and 22.

[1057] You know what I mean?

[1058] Like, bro, I can't remember his voice.

[1059] Right.

[1060] You know what I mean?

[1061] And that shit weighs heavy because it's like, did he not love me enough to live for me?

[1062] You know, and those things manifest themselves in different ways as you get older that you don't even know.

[1063] You know what's crazy?

[1064] It's a gift in some ways.

[1065] It's the gift in the curse.

[1066] Yeah.

[1067] The gift is that you have this energy that comes from this lack, this lack of something.

[1068] in your life when you're young.

[1069] You know?

[1070] I mean, this is something I struggle with with my kids because I try to give my kids everything.

[1071] Always give them love.

[1072] Always be around.

[1073] I'm loving.

[1074] Yeah, hug, kiss all the time.

[1075] Make sure they know.

[1076] We were talking about this yesterday.

[1077] All my friends that are interesting came from fucked up childhoods.

[1078] All my favorite friends.

[1079] Right.

[1080] All my favorite friends, their life was chaos when they were growing up and they became these really interesting people.

[1081] I hate that that's what created us.

[1082] But you're right.

[1083] I mean, you couldn't be more right.

[1084] I mean, you're talking about your favorite.

[1085] friends that are into i mean my favorite everything everything artists artists painters musicians rock bands punk metal all of them were fucked in that i don't know any well -balanced people that that i feel like oh that guy's a brilliant mind he came from a two -parent home in the suburbs of connecticut i don't know anyone like that pressure creates diamonds yeah man it bust pipes too it does bus pipes but but but you know i wonder like how much of that stuff haunts me and create you know like you know your parents splitting and being seven like how many of the the fucked up things that go on in your head now relay back to that and you're not even aware because the mind is so complicated oh yeah you know a lot of it you know when i started realizing it when i was smoking weed i didn't really start smoking weed seriously until i was 30 okay and then when i started doing it and then i started thinking about all sorts of different patterns and my behavior and why i was angry all the time right and i think a lot of it came from this resentment of being abandoned when I was young.

[1086] Well, some of your early stuff was fucking super dark, man. I mean, I think you're a brilliant comic, so I love all your stuff.

[1087] Thank you.

[1088] But some of that earliest stuff, man. Yeah, well, it's pretty fucking, young and angry.

[1089] Dark places.

[1090] It was also, I was, uh, that was also, like, just a few years after I was done fighting.

[1091] Like, I was a different person.

[1092] I just had a different mindset.

[1093] Sure.

[1094] And I, you had, that's a very strange transition between, um, competition and then stand -up comedy.

[1095] Of course.

[1096] It's just a very.

[1097] different kind of mindset and I carried a little bit too much combat with me yeah well you were still fighting you were still fighting and and sometimes when you don't know what you're fighting yeah it's worse it's worse because you start internalizing it and you don't know what the what it's war with self yeah and the war with self because you don't you want to this needs this this this energy needs to be and how can it be and you went bad shit on the mic yeah went really dark with it and I've done that too, but for us to be healthy, here's the other question, though.

[1098] If we were to get healthy, will we just suck?

[1099] Yeah, well, I used to worry about that when I was young.

[1100] I used to worry about being, my idea was that if I became somehow, you know, air quote, enlightened, that I wouldn't be funny anymore.

[1101] Right.

[1102] Because all the funny people I knew were fucked up.

[1103] Of course.

[1104] I thought that I needed to be a drug addict.

[1105] I'm like, damn, Kinnison was a drug addict, prior was a drug addict, maybe I need to be a drug addict.

[1106] You look at these people, I mean, historically, look at Hendricks.

[1107] Look at, you know what I mean?

[1108] Look at, look at, look at Bakowski.

[1109] Morrison, Janice Joplin.

[1110] Yes, Bikowski.

[1111] Bikowski's a fucking mess.

[1112] The town drunk.

[1113] Yeah.

[1114] And one of the best.

[1115] I thought and think the same way.

[1116] I'm like, I might need to pick up a habit.

[1117] Do you drink?

[1118] Yeah.

[1119] Just a little bit or a lot?

[1120] I shouldn't.

[1121] I drank a lot and had an epiphany.

[1122] I woke up one day and cold turkey did.

[1123] Really?

[1124] Yeah.

[1125] Yeah.

[1126] I drank a lot for a lot of years.

[1127] And now you don't drink at all or just just a little?

[1128] It's like.

[1129] Gosh, a little bit.

[1130] Yeah, you know, a little bit, a little bit.

[1131] But it's more like when I perform.

[1132] Right.

[1133] You know what I mean?

[1134] Just loosen up.

[1135] Yeah, but I was drinking two bottles of Grey Goose alone every night.

[1136] Oh.

[1137] Yeah, alone, Dola, every night, seven days a week.

[1138] That's a lot.

[1139] Two bottles to the head.

[1140] That's Bert Kreiser.

[1141] Love Bert.

[1142] Love the bird.

[1143] I know the bird.

[1144] He's got a bottle on his hip, what?

[1145] When he's listening to this, what?

[1146] Who?

[1147] Love the bird.

[1148] Yeah.

[1149] You guys are close, yeah?

[1150] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1151] We're doing sober October.

[1152] We're trying to figure out the bet.

[1153] Well, who cracks first?

[1154] Yeah, well, we're trying to figure out what to do.

[1155] Tom Seguer has got some great idea.

[1156] Instead of yoga classes, there's some application that you, let me find out.

[1157] Are you in on this bet?

[1158] I want money on this.

[1159] Yeah.

[1160] Christ is going to crack.

[1161] A joke, you're not going to be able to do the pot?

[1162] No, I took the last sober October off.

[1163] The whole month?

[1164] Yeah, I took the whole month off.

[1165] No pot.

[1166] No pot.

[1167] You don't believe me?

[1168] How dare you?

[1169] Well, listen.

[1170] You're looking at me. It's very incredulous.

[1171] I am looking at you crazy.

[1172] Let me find the order here.

[1173] Joseph, I don't believe that.

[1174] You were sneaking the pot.

[1175] No, I wasn't.

[1176] What does he say in family guys?

[1177] I didn't believe it either.

[1178] Ari wanted to get me tested.

[1179] It went to a yoga class.

[1180] If I put money on it, if I put money, I'm getting blood work.

[1181] Ari's like, we're going to go to CVS.

[1182] We're going to take a drug test.

[1183] He said he's still going to do mushrooms when he's, like, camping or some shit.

[1184] That's all right.

[1185] I'll let that slot.

[1186] So this is what the fuck this thing is.

[1187] It is a, it's some sort of a heart rate application.

[1188] What is it called?

[1189] My Zone, some My Zone, it's a, you wear this thing around your chest, and it registers on an app.

[1190] Okay.

[1191] And it gives you points for the amount of work you do.

[1192] Okay.

[1193] And Tom suggested that we try to achieve some ridiculous amount of points for the month.

[1194] So it's like 40 ,000 points or some shit.

[1195] This is it.

[1196] You got it?

[1197] I forget what the number that Tom said, but we're going to.

[1198] going to have to agree on this number and what it would basically mean is you got to work out almost an hour and a half every single fucking day of the month or no off days no off days oh you're in good shape you can do that yeah i'll uh i'll be all right i'll figure out different shit to do so i'll run hills i'll kickbox i'll do a little jihitsu if i get in on it you guys can bet on how long before i die well you work out right i know you do a little boxing well here's the thing I didn't was in good shape as a kid then when I got rat money I did the dumb thing and turned into a fat pig you know so late the past maybe years I you know a couple years maybe 18 months I'm back yeah boxing again you know so you just regular hitting the bag hitting the cardio skipping rope I know you're a giant boxing fan yeah like obsessive yeah me too yeah I know you El Alvarez and Triple G, too.

[1199] The casual boxing fans are the worst.

[1200] I mean, I don't think that it's like, it's really like child molesters and like they're the word, like pedophiles are the worst and then casual boxing fans.

[1201] Yeah, it's the same with them in May fans.

[1202] Oh, I'm sure.

[1203] Well, those kids hate me. They just yell at me that I should, why, when I post something about boxing, watch MMA faggot.

[1204] I'm like, Jesus, man. Oh, man. Yeah.

[1205] You know, that's a little agro towards me. Yeah, how come you could be a soccer fan, but you can't be a boxing fan?

[1206] Yeah, I don't know, man. How come you can be a basketball fan?

[1207] Can't be a boxing fan.

[1208] I don't know.

[1209] It's very, the hostility is there, man. Well, it's a stupid conflict between M .MA and boxing.

[1210] I think it's stupid.

[1211] It's a deal to a lot of people, you know what I mean?

[1212] It's so stupid because so many MMA fighters have learned from boxers.

[1213] Absolutely.

[1214] You know, Mac Danes.

[1215] Sure, yeah.

[1216] Yeah, Max, a friend of mine, and he's a huge boxing fan and we're training a wildcard.

[1217] He's one of the rare, Mack Danzig was one of the rare vegans.

[1218] That competed successfully for a long period of time in the NBA, one of the rare ones.

[1219] Yeah, but he's a smart guy.

[1220] Very bright guy.

[1221] Yeah, I really watched his diet correctly and made sure he got the proper foods and fatty acids and all the different things.

[1222] Yeah, I couldn't do it.

[1223] Yeah, well, I mean, for him it was a, in his mind, it was an ethical choice.

[1224] I know there's a lot of other ones that are vegetarians that do really well, like Jake Shields, he's a vegetarian, but he eats eggs, you know, and milk and cheese and things along those lines.

[1225] But you hunt your own stuff?

[1226] Yeah.

[1227] Yeah.

[1228] Do you enjoy that?

[1229] I do, yeah.

[1230] Yeah.

[1231] But how did you, like, how do you learn that process of what you do after the animal, like?

[1232] Yeah, I got lucky that I learned from people that know what they're doing.

[1233] Steve Ronella, who's a good friend of mine, took me for the first time on a teller.

[1234] television show.

[1235] So the first time I ever hunted was on TV, which is kind of nerve -wracking.

[1236] You don't want to fuck up and wound an animal on television.

[1237] But what it is to me, it's like I saw so many PETA videos.

[1238] I saw some of those factory farming videos.

[1239] I don't want to be a part of this.

[1240] Me too.

[1241] So I was either going to be a vegetarian, which I tried to be when I was fighting.

[1242] I was trying to stay at a lower weight class and I was a vegetarian for a while.

[1243] And I felt like shit.

[1244] and then I probably was doing it wrong if you're ready to scream at your keyboard right now you don't know that's what they're doing right now vegan plant power plant -based power yeah you're gonna get you're gonna get bombarded but when I started eating meat again I went up a weight class and that's I became much better yeah I just my body just reacts better with meat me too yeah yeah me too I like I tried it too you know what I mean I just found that you know making smart decisions Forget vegan, vegetarian or meat diet, just making smart decisions.

[1245] Right.

[1246] Dietary decisions.

[1247] Dietary decisions, you know what I mean?

[1248] It was all the difference in the world for me. And, like, as someone who works out as much as you do, you feel better.

[1249] You just do.

[1250] It's not a lie.

[1251] No one's lying to you about it.

[1252] You just feel better when you work out.

[1253] Well, the thing about the fighters and people that are in competition, though, it's like there's more at stake because it's not just about feeling better.

[1254] It's like you have an obligation to your brain.

[1255] to your body and to your future to perform at your best.

[1256] And your life.

[1257] Yeah.

[1258] Because that's not a game, man. You don't play MMA.

[1259] You don't play boxing.

[1260] Right.

[1261] It's true.

[1262] You can die.

[1263] And people have.

[1264] People have.

[1265] If you're cutting weight the wrong way, you know what I mean?

[1266] Because there's tons of wrong ways to do shit.

[1267] You know, we know diuretics, all of that.

[1268] And you come in malnourished and someone hits like a fucking mule, man. You know, that's no joke.

[1269] It's no joke.

[1270] I mean, if anybody thinks you play boxing, Watch Canello Alvarez versus, you know, anybody where he, like, watch, uh, you know, watch any, like, real vicious knockout or someone's getting a head bounced off the canvas.

[1271] He took, he took James Kirkland's soul out of his body.

[1272] How about Amir Khan?

[1273] Oh.

[1274] We cracked a Mir Khan with that right hand.

[1275] Boom.

[1276] I mean, we go back to the 80s in Julian Jackson.

[1277] We just separate people from their, from their, from the, um.

[1278] Julian Jackson was a murderous puncher.

[1279] He's, he's the heart.

[1280] hardest puncher I ever saw my life.

[1281] Here's Amir Khan right here in Canelo Alvarez.

[1282] The right hand.

[1283] See, this is, oh, good Lord.

[1284] That was one of those fights where he's short -circuited right there.

[1285] He doesn't know where he's at.

[1286] That's not a game right there.

[1287] No. You're not playing that.

[1288] Kennello is so much bigger than him, too.

[1289] So much bigger.

[1290] Yeah, I mean, he made 154, but he's a middleweight.

[1291] And Amir Khan is a blown -up welter.

[1292] Yeah.

[1293] But he just separated his soul from his body right there.

[1294] Just fucking hammer time.

[1295] That was one of the interesting things, and you put this on your Instagram about the first Triple G fight.

[1296] He landed then on Triple G, and Triple G shook it off and kept walking towards him.

[1297] Yeah.

[1298] And you can see it inside his eyes like, oh, my goodness.

[1299] You caught him clean.

[1300] I mean, you're a fighter, man. You hit someone with your best shit and they don't budge.

[1301] Yeah.

[1302] Yeah, especially if you used to taking people out.

[1303] That's what I mean.

[1304] And everything shifts.

[1305] Well, that's where a guy like Pauli Malinaji has a slight advantage.

[1306] He very rarely knocks anybody out.

[1307] So he's used to hitting people and keep up.

[1308] and going.

[1309] Yes.

[1310] He had bad hands.

[1311] He had bad hands.

[1312] So he had to change his style, you know, to box and just poke the jab over and over and over.

[1313] Throw a right hand every now and then to keep him honest.

[1314] Yeah.

[1315] With bad hands.

[1316] But the beautiful thing that Canello did, he just, he just pawed with the jab just to draw him down and it came over the time with the right hand.

[1317] But yeah, beautiful stuff, man. Yeah, that fight, I watched it again after Teddy Atlas and I had a podcast.

[1318] I watched to Triple G Canello fight again.

[1319] Did you score it?

[1320] Nope.

[1321] No, I didn't because my kids were running around, screaming at me. So the eye test, what is your eye test say?

[1322] Fucking close fight.

[1323] Fucking close fight.

[1324] You know, I think Triple G came on real strong towards the end of the fight.

[1325] Makes you want a 15 -round fight is what it made.

[1326] Yes, it does.

[1327] Yes, it does.

[1328] But again, dumb motherfuckers were struggling.

[1329] Yeah.

[1330] You know, with those 15, like the Dukukukukim stuff with Ray.

[1331] I think, like, a lot of that shit was because of the 15 rounds.

[1332] You know what I mean?

[1333] Also, because of weight cutting back.

[1334] Of course.

[1335] No IVs.

[1336] And same -day weigh -ins.

[1337] Yeah.

[1338] Which is fucking dangerous.

[1339] Yeah.

[1340] Real dangerous.

[1341] But 15 rounds, I mean, it's funny we watch fighters in any professional fighter in combat sports.

[1342] You see them gassing in like the second.

[1343] You know, Larry Holmes had tits and was going, big tits, and he was going 15 easy.

[1344] Yeah.

[1345] It's crazy, you know.

[1346] It's just the human body is.

[1347] It's also understanding how to manage your energy, too, right?

[1348] Of course.

[1349] Of course.

[1350] Of course.

[1351] I mean, when you come out in the first couple and you're just letting shots fly, then you're gas in the middle.

[1352] That's not a shock.

[1353] Yeah.

[1354] Yeah.

[1355] It can work, but when it doesn't work, you're fucked.

[1356] Exactly.

[1357] Yeah.

[1358] When you ice them in the second, you look like you have a, you had a brilliant game plan.

[1359] When you're gassed in the seventh, people are questioning, you know, your ability, your ring IQ, your corner, you know.

[1360] It's a risk.

[1361] It's a heavy risk to throw all your artillery.

[1362] at someone in the first round absolutely yeah it's just such a fascinating sport uh you know i'm i love all combat sports but one of the things that about boxing is it's a combat sport that has just the longest richest history yeah when you go back and you can watch i mean when teddy was here we were watching max schmelling versus joe lewis the second fight and you know you can go back and watch some of sugar rattle robinson's greatest fight yeah henry armstrong yeah oh man i mean you get to see the the rich history of boxing and then You look at Jack Johnson fighting with those, you know, black and white films and Jack Dempsey.

[1363] Yeah, Gene Tunney.

[1364] Yeah, man. It's crazy.

[1365] It's beautiful that we have to see.

[1366] All the guys in the audience with hats on?

[1367] Who is that about?

[1368] I don't know, man. Like the olden days, dudes all wore hats.

[1369] All wore hats.

[1370] Strange.

[1371] Yeah, strange.

[1372] Well, very strange.

[1373] Yeah.

[1374] I mean, there's a history to boxing that no other sport could really come close to.

[1375] Agreed.

[1376] Yeah.

[1377] Now, I'm always have been a giant fan of boxing.

[1378] before MMA came around.

[1379] I mean, that was really all you had to watch.

[1380] You could watch a little bit of kickboxing on television, rarely, but it was always bad.

[1381] Well, the other thing was those guys were superstars.

[1382] The heavyweight champ of the world, when we were younger, was, like, you know, if we walked out on the street right now and asked someone who the heavyweight champ is, I'm guessing.

[1383] No one knows.

[1384] Some of them might say Mike Tyson.

[1385] Well, for the longest time, the crazy thing was it was a white guy.

[1386] Yeah.

[1387] And no one knew.

[1388] Like, everybody when we were kids, watching.

[1389] He wanted a white heavyweight champion.

[1390] That's why they pumped, you know, Jerry Cooney so hard.

[1391] You know what I mean?

[1392] Like they were Tommy Morrison.

[1393] Yep.

[1394] They wanted it so bad, you know what I mean?

[1395] I know.

[1396] But, like, those guys, like, you know, Sugar Ray Leonard was a hero.

[1397] He's on Blue McDonald's commercial.

[1398] It's like those days are gone, though.

[1399] You know, it's become a niche.

[1400] Yeah.

[1401] It's now a niche sport again, you know what I mean?

[1402] Why do you think that is?

[1403] I don't know.

[1404] I honestly don't know.

[1405] Is it because people got tired of corruption?

[1406] And, you know, I've talked to Teddy at fights, you know, not at length like you did.

[1407] But when, you know, when I go to fights and he's calling them, I always pay my respect.

[1408] But I'm not sure how or why or when it shifted, that shift from the 80s to early 90s and then that's it.

[1409] You know, was it Mike going to jail?

[1410] I don't know.

[1411] Was it, you know, Dale O 'Hoy was huge, but I don't know.

[1412] I don't know why these dudes were like, you know, Ali was the most well -known athlete ever, maybe, right?

[1413] Probably, close to it.

[1414] You know, I don't know who else would beat him.

[1415] Jordan, by name, you know what I mean?

[1416] What was really interesting was when Larry Holmes was a champ, nobody gave a shit, because he had to fill the void of Muhammad Ali.

[1417] And he was between Ali and Tyson.

[1418] You know, the two, the two due to basically transcended.

[1419] Meanwhile, the Ali that beat the fuck out of Jerry Cooney, I would have loved to see him against Tyson.

[1420] Me too.

[1421] That's a different, I mean, not Ali, excuse me, Larry Holmes.

[1422] Yeah.

[1423] The Larry Holmes that beat the fuck out of Jerry Co. Because he came out of retirement for that payday against Mike.

[1424] He was fat and he looked out of shape and he still looked good in the second round up until he got cracked.

[1425] When he was dancing.

[1426] Yeah, he looked good.

[1427] A prime Larry gives Mike problems all day.

[1428] Yes.

[1429] A prime Larry was a beast.

[1430] A beast.

[1431] He was a special fighter.

[1432] He had a tremendous jab.

[1433] The best heavyweight jab I ever saw.

[1434] When he, the, the Ali that fought Larry Holmes was an old, broken -down alley.

[1435] They shouldn't ever let that fight take place.

[1436] A shell of himself.

[1437] It was horrible to watch.

[1438] But that Larry Holmes, that Larry Holmes would have given Mike Tyson fits.

[1439] Absolutely.

[1440] It was a different Larry Holmes.

[1441] He was a monster when he was young.

[1442] Absolutely.

[1443] Long, snap and jab.

[1444] Criminally underrated in history.

[1445] Eddie Futch trained?

[1446] Yes.

[1447] I mean, you know, Eddie Futch may be the best trainer of all time.

[1448] One of them, for sure.

[1449] But again, like you said, things are time and place, man, and everything.

[1450] Music, too, comedy, some brilliant comedians slipped through the cracks due to what was happening at that time in comedy.

[1451] And with Larry, it's like, yo, you came after the most popular fighter of all time.

[1452] Ever.

[1453] And before Mike, who, you know, again, two dudes who transcended the sport.

[1454] And he beat up the most popular fighter of all time when everybody knew it was long over.

[1455] Long over.

[1456] Yeah.

[1457] Yeah, so he can't, people weren't happy about that, and then he talked shit about Marciano, which didn't endear him to people.

[1458] That was a mistake.

[1459] Yeah, he said Marciano couldn't carry his jockstrap.

[1460] Yeah, that's my son's name.

[1461] My son's name, Marciano, so that hurt.

[1462] Yeah, that's a hurt one.

[1463] A little bit.

[1464] Yeah, it's, you know, Larry just, just had poor timing, unfortunately, for him.

[1465] Yeah.

[1466] You know?

[1467] He was very smart with his money, though, because I still see him.

[1468] at the fights and he's paid that's good yeah it's good to hear because you you know as well as i do what happens to some fighters well didn't he own like a shitload of things he he just took over eastern he did bought like car dealerships and car watches and shit like that yeah larry was smart man and he still talked shit too does he yeah well remember when he came back and he boxed the face off of ray mercer yeah he was old he was old as shit when he's And we fought butter bean and boxed them.

[1469] He still had it.

[1470] And when Mike Tyson went to jail, he's like, as long as Mike Tyson's in jail.

[1471] Yeah.

[1472] That was great.

[1473] I'll keep fighting.

[1474] Sure.

[1475] That's hilarious.

[1476] Yeah.

[1477] Larry Holmes was something special.

[1478] He was.

[1479] For a lot of people, he slipped through the cracks.

[1480] People in the no, no, though.

[1481] And that's what's most important at the end of the day, you know?

[1482] Yeah, that's true.

[1483] Yeah, that's true.

[1484] I mean, and then Trevor Berwick fought all the league, too, right?

[1485] Yes.

[1486] That was like, was the last fight?

[1487] Yeah.

[1488] or second or last, but he was, the Parkinson's was already starting, man. You know, because you think of him a couple years later at Tyson, when Tyson beat Berwick, and he was trembling men, you know what I mean?

[1489] Like, wow.

[1490] So that's, we talk about you don't play boxing, man. You don't play MMA, you know, it's your life.

[1491] It's interesting, too, that Ali, you know, I always like to watch that fight with Jerry Quarry because it was after three years off.

[1492] Yeah, man. And you see his body.

[1493] looks different it just looks softer you know if you see Ali versus like Cleveland Williams yeah and then you see Ali three years later after all that time off he just doesn't look the same he was never really the same he wasn't but you ever you think about why he did it imagine having the the Constitution to give away the prime of your fighting career to not do that yeah it's very special because they wanted him to fight in the Vietnam War he's like this is a bullshit this is bullshit none of them ever called he said none of them ever call me the end word yeah you know what I mean I'm not going over there to do that.

[1494] They took three, it's prime.

[1495] You know you got that window as a fighter, man. It's like four to six years, and half of it was taken.

[1496] It's kind of amazing, too, that they did that, and then they gave it back to him.

[1497] They let him fight again.

[1498] I don't know what was the circumstances.

[1499] Like, how did they reinstate his boxing games?

[1500] I actually don't remember.

[1501] I don't know either.

[1502] But I remember when he fought Frazier, I was like, man, I would have loved to see this fight three years ago.

[1503] Yeah, man. Because he just was a different guy by then.

[1504] He was way too flat -footed.

[1505] just was a different guy.

[1506] Like, well, the Joe, because Joe and Ali hated each other for real.

[1507] For real.

[1508] Yeah, because he was, you know, Ali was saying horrible shit.

[1509] Horrible shit.

[1510] Horrible shit.

[1511] Well, he's trying to fuck with his head, and that's how you do it.

[1512] Word, man. He was the original shit -talker, man. You think about it.

[1513] It's like, you see Connor and you're like, that's Ali.

[1514] Oh, yeah.

[1515] You know what I mean?

[1516] For sure.

[1517] You know?

[1518] And like Rick Flair.

[1519] Mm -hmm.

[1520] It's like Ali and Rick Flair.

[1521] Yeah, there's a little bit of both of them there, too.

[1522] Well, you remember when Henry Cooper knocked down Ali?

[1523] That was like the biggest thing in the U .K. I heard him bad.

[1524] And then Angelo Dundee cut the gloves?

[1525] Yep.

[1526] I mean, if it wasn't for that move, Ali could have lost by stoppage in that fight.

[1527] Very easily.

[1528] Absolutely.

[1529] He got fucking crack on the fight.

[1530] Right on the fucking button.

[1531] And sat down.

[1532] He was on Queer Street.

[1533] Oh, 100%.

[1534] Yeah.

[1535] He had a house on Queer Street.

[1536] He was picking up the mail.

[1537] Here it is.

[1538] Right here.

[1539] Boom!

[1540] Let's watch that again.

[1541] Watch that again.

[1542] I mean, that is a fucking picture perfect left hand.

[1543] I mean, look at him.

[1544] Right on the button.

[1545] He is staggering back to his corner.

[1546] And it happened luckily for him at the very end of the round.

[1547] This was saying he wasn't even Muhammad Ali back then, right?

[1548] This was Cassius Clay.

[1549] Correct.

[1550] So this is before he fought.

[1551] Was it before he fought Sunny Liston?

[1552] I want to say it was.

[1553] It was.

[1554] Yeah.

[1555] Ooh, man. Who knows.

[1556] They cheated him, though.

[1557] Yeah, they did.

[1558] They cheated him.

[1559] It's a different world.

[1560] Oh, we've got to change gloves.

[1561] They give him a long -ass time.

[1562] Oh, we got to undo these laces.

[1563] Cut this tape.

[1564] Brilliant, though.

[1565] Yeah.

[1566] Wow.

[1567] Hey, Angelo Dundee.

[1568] He wasn't a newcomer.

[1569] No, he was not.

[1570] He knew what the fuck he was doing.

[1571] He was great, man. Yeah.

[1572] My favorite stoppage of all Ali's fights is Cleveland Big Cat Williams.

[1573] Because he hit him with these just welterweight combinations.

[1574] Oh, his head, ding, ding, ding, ding.

[1575] He did it.

[1576] Pop, pop, pop, pop.

[1577] Yeah.

[1578] I mean, he was throwing.

[1579] It really, I never saw anyone throw combinations a heavyweight like that before.

[1580] He threw combinations like Ray Robinson.

[1581] And the fluidity of them, too.

[1582] Pull that fight up.

[1583] This was one of my all -time favorite because Williams was a scary fucking dude, too.

[1584] He was a big puncher, and Ali was just light on his feet, dancing in front of him.

[1585] Jabbing to the body.

[1586] No one does that anymore.

[1587] Yeah, and Williams just kept pressing forward, pressing forward.

[1588] Williams was a big puncher, man. Yeah, he could crack.

[1589] He just couldn't find Ali, and Ollie.

[1590] was so loose in front of him.

[1591] Look at that.

[1592] Jabs the body, hooked to the head.

[1593] Beautiful.

[1594] He's dancing on him.

[1595] Boom.

[1596] Check left hook, move around.

[1597] And then once he started tuning him up.

[1598] The jabbed of the body and then back up top is beautiful, man. Beautiful.

[1599] Oh, man. Yeah.

[1600] This is art right here.

[1601] It's art because there was never a heavy weight that moved like this.

[1602] People have to realize this just didn't exist, man. And rarely does exist.

[1603] The only guy who moves even removed.

[1604] Motely like this today is Tyson Fury.

[1605] Tyson Fury can move.

[1606] He can, and he's huge.

[1607] That big motherfucker can dance.

[1608] Yeah, he can.

[1609] He dances, and he's six foot, what, nine or eight or some shit?

[1610] Six, eight, I think.

[1611] He's huge.

[1612] Yeah, he gets clipped a little too much for me. He definitely gets tagged.

[1613] Yeah.

[1614] He got tagged by Steve Cunningham from Philly and dropped.

[1615] That's the cruiserweight, right?

[1616] Yes, which was even great.

[1617] I'm like, oh, his chin might not be all there.

[1618] Well, you know what?

[1619] Cunningham's a shorter guy, and sometimes for those really tall fighters, it's very very difficult to punch down.

[1620] That's how Mike was getting over because he was in the chest.

[1621] And he was real low.

[1622] Yeah, I mean, that head movement and the peekable, you know, the custom auto developed.

[1623] Put the end of that fight up so I could see the combinations that led to the stoppage.

[1624] See, once he had Williams in trouble, go big screen.

[1625] I mean, even there, bum, bum, bum, bum.

[1626] Yeah.

[1627] Like, once Williams' face had been jabbed off.

[1628] And Joe, the craziest thing.

[1629] Beautiful.

[1630] The easiest thing about him is everyone historically has to sit down on their punches to get leverage on me. He didn't.

[1631] He's dancing and...

[1632] Yeah.

[1633] Bam, bomb, bomb, bomb.

[1634] Well, he wasn't trying to knock you out with every punch.

[1635] He was just cracking you.

[1636] Pappap -a -pat.

[1637] And when you're getting peppered, that's fucking rough to deal with it.

[1638] Rough to deal with it.

[1639] It's frustrating.

[1640] Because in your head, you're like, if I touch this motherfucker, I'm, I heard him, but you can't touch him.

[1641] And you just keep getting peppered.

[1642] And then eventually your legs start wobbling a little bit.

[1643] It's like trying to fight Willie Pep.

[1644] Yeah.

[1645] You know, he had the, you know, the footwork of Willie Pepp in a heavyweight.

[1646] I'm fucking heard of, man. That's another guy that people forgot about.

[1647] Willie Pepp was one of the rare guys that won around without ever throwing a punch.

[1648] Yes, yes.

[1649] Like what the fuck, man?

[1650] Unbelievable.

[1651] Andadego.

[1652] Yes.

[1653] We had a lot of good ones back in the day.

[1654] Maybe not so much now, Joseph.

[1655] But we had a run.

[1656] We had LaMata.

[1657] We had, you know, Graziano.

[1658] Well, the community got established.

[1659] That's the problem.

[1660] People started doing well.

[1661] Exactly.

[1662] And then they get soft.

[1663] Exactly.

[1664] The last guy we had was Arturogadi.

[1665] Yeah.

[1666] To really rap.

[1667] Yeah.

[1668] It's a really rap.

[1669] And, you know.

[1670] Yeah.

[1671] Yeah.

[1672] It's, that's how it goes, though, right?

[1673] The early immigrants are the ones that get shit on.

[1674] They're the ones who come up strong.

[1675] They're tough fighters.

[1676] And then, you know, now it's Cubans and Russians.

[1677] Because you come from that Russian amateur program, man. Like, there's no fucking joke.

[1678] Right.

[1679] That's one of the reasons.

[1680] This is why I love Lomachenko.

[1681] You talk about artists, man. Yeah.

[1682] I haven't seen anything, maybe 30 years.

[1683] I haven't seen anything like him.

[1684] I know.

[1685] The footwork?

[1686] It's ridiculous.

[1687] I've never seen someone.

[1688] He's in a position to not throw a punch and throws a beautiful three punch company.

[1689] I don't even know.

[1690] I mean, you know, they call him The Matrix or High Tech, two perfect names.

[1691] But, I mean, I've never seen anything like him.

[1692] Maybe a prime Roy, you know, maybe.

[1693] But Roy was different too.

[1694] Roy was technically awful.

[1695] He just had such reflexes.

[1696] When they went, that's when he got melted.

[1697] Yeah.

[1698] Because he never...

[1699] He didn't jab.

[1700] No, he didn't do anything right, bro.

[1701] A lead left hook.

[1702] A lead left hook, writes from weird angles.

[1703] And it worked because his reflexes were superhuman.

[1704] He was Superman.

[1705] And then as soon as they deteriorated a little bit and in fighting, you can deteriorate.

[1706] a little bit in baseball.

[1707] You can deteriorate...

[1708] Well, I think what got Roy, what really got Roy, in my opinion, I'm a giant Roy Jones Jr. fan.

[1709] He's maybe one of my all -time favorite fighters.

[1710] What really got Roy is when we went up to fight John Ruiz.

[1711] Yeah.

[1712] And then he went back down to fight Tarver.

[1713] Yeah.

[1714] He was depleted.

[1715] Depleted.

[1716] And I think when he went up to fight Ruiz, he might have had some Mexican supplements in his system.

[1717] Wink, wink, nudge.

[1718] Sure.

[1719] Yeah.

[1720] I mean, he was like 200 plus pounds.

[1721] A 208 or something.

[1722] Jacked.

[1723] Look good.

[1724] I think he should have retired after that went.

[1725] Well, he definitely should have consulted with an endocrinologist to try to figure out what, how his system was.

[1726] And then the weight cut down to 175 must have been brutal because he was smooth.

[1727] He looked like shit.

[1728] He lost all his muscle tone.

[1729] He just didn't, he looked like a guy.

[1730] And he was shredded in the 90s.

[1731] He looked like a guy whose system had been shut down with.

[1732] The thing that these guys don't, maybe don't recognize if they take some shit or if they, you know, even if you just cut too much weight, your body.

[1733] stops producing hormones sure your body's all fucked up yeah you're on you're on your way to die your body's telling you what the fuck are you doing yeah yeah so if he was 200 plus pounds when he fought Ruiz then he has to cut down to 175 yeah almost yeah 30 yeah and who knows how sophisticated his methods were I mean some fighters today are amazing at doing that yeah I mean they know how to do it correctly they know how to rehydrate correctly yeah and boxing at least has the benefit of not having usata in place like the ufc does the ufc has a real problem with a lack of ivs and these guys can't rehydrate correctly or the way that they want to it's dangerous it is dangerous but in their defense it's it's also a way that they can detect whether or not someone's cheating okay because when they're using ivs you can mask a lot of shit right yeah i didn't think about that yeah that's why they do it okay yeah they just won't let you do it so when i don't know what happened with roy when he did but then you know can't take anything away from tarver either because tarver almost beat roy the first time they fought yeah but then fucked him up oh he fucking flew his head yeah and the famous words any excuses tonight roy right before they fight he said i never saw anything like that he was so confident yeah yeah i don't think he gets his due either no he doesn't he doesn't he uh he had some great wins yeah he had some great wins um he's still at it too right yeah at heavy weight or something like that 46 47 and he's still at popped for steroids yeah yeah so well duh yeah if you're 45 and you're still looking good there's something going on the only the only person i truly believe and i realize you'll you'll think i'm biased because of where i'm from but i don't think bernard ever did anything i don't think you did anything either bernard just lives clean i've seen him uh order grilled chicken and get chicken that was fried by accident and peel the fry off of it rather than just go just once I'll do it watched him take it off to just, you know what I mean?

[1734] To not eat just insane dietary in the gym I agree.

[1735] But the Joe Smith fight was sad to watch.

[1736] Of course.

[1737] That was that was...

[1738] The Kovalev fight was sad to watch.

[1739] I was there, man. I was ringside and I love Kovalev.

[1740] Yeah.

[1741] But it's you know, a Philly legend like Like, ah, man, this is rough.

[1742] Well, it's crazy to see how deep into his career he was still successful.

[1743] Like, I wrote a blog article about the Kelly Pavlik fight.

[1744] Because I'm like, I don't remember how old he was at the time, but everybody had already written him off.

[1745] Oh, my brother and I were there, like, Pavlick's going to beat the dog shit out of Bernard.

[1746] And he gave him a fucking lesson.

[1747] Boxing lesson.

[1748] He put on a clinic.

[1749] Well, people have to realize he was technically past his prime when he fucked up Tito Trinidad.

[1750] He was 36.

[1751] Yes.

[1752] It was 36.

[1753] in 2001.

[1754] That was two weeks after 9 -11 that fight and he was 36 then.

[1755] How crazy is that?

[1756] How old was he when he fought Joe Smith?

[1757] 50?

[1758] Maybe 51.

[1759] Definitely 50.

[1760] Crazy.

[1761] So he was, he, I'd say he lasted 15 years longer than the average guy.

[1762] Yeah.

[1763] You know?

[1764] Well, how about when he came back and boxed Roy Jr.?

[1765] Yeah.

[1766] Well, when Roy beat him the first time was beating him with all those reflexes.

[1767] And then when the reflexes slid off, he clearly out.

[1768] Boxed Roy in the second fight, with just fundamentals, perfect mechanics.

[1769] Because Roy didn't have them.

[1770] He didn't have them.

[1771] Yeah.

[1772] He was just relying on what was once there.

[1773] Yeah.

[1774] But it wasn't.

[1775] He was a shell of his former self.

[1776] Well, it was also the Glenn Johnson fight.

[1777] It was a scary knockout.

[1778] He was on Queer Street.

[1779] Well, he was just flatlined and astral traveling.

[1780] After he got knocked out by Tarver, then there was not that much time in between those two fights.

[1781] No, no. It was the next fight.

[1782] Yeah.

[1783] And he, and that, those knockouts.

[1784] where you're out on your feet before you hit the ground, then your head hits the canvas, which is two shots, man. And he was stiffened up.

[1785] Uh -huh.

[1786] It was sad to watch.

[1787] It was.

[1788] I thought that was going to be the end.

[1789] Me too.

[1790] And then he started fighting, like, in Russia, getting sanctioned over there.

[1791] He's a Russian citizen.

[1792] Yes, man. That's a bizarre world.

[1793] Russian pussy involved.

[1794] It has to be.

[1795] He's got to have some Toto over there, man, to do that.

[1796] When you're talking about Larry Holmes, it looked up as Wikipedia, his last fight was in 2002 against him.

[1797] It's Butterbean.

[1798] It was 51 or so.

[1799] And he put it on Butterbean.

[1800] 10 -round fight.

[1801] That's crazy.

[1802] And Butterbean can crack.

[1803] That big motherfucker hit hard.

[1804] Hard.

[1805] But Larry just, that snake.

[1806] You're not getting through that.

[1807] Yeah.

[1808] Every time he tries to come in, bong, bong.

[1809] Remember that when dudes were wear those golden palace .com?

[1810] Bernard was the first person.

[1811] He did it in the Tito fight.

[1812] Was that the first?

[1813] Yeah.

[1814] Yeah, that was so weird.

[1815] Someone did it in the UFC, too.

[1816] They wore that shit on their back.

[1817] It's odd.

[1818] Just put it on your trunks if you're going to do it, I guess.

[1819] Well, you don't get as much money.

[1820] But it is...

[1821] I know Bernard got 50K to put it on his back, and he bet it on himself against Tito.

[1822] Really?

[1823] Yeah.

[1824] And you know he was a huge underdog.

[1825] Everyone thought Tito was going to whoop.

[1826] Is that everyone?

[1827] Everyone.

[1828] You know, I was jumping off my brother's couch when that happened.

[1829] Yeah, he fucked him up.

[1830] Yeah, man. Yeah, Bernard was a special athlete.

[1831] He really was.

[1832] Absolutely.

[1833] Special fight.

[1834] All time great.

[1835] For sure.

[1836] Yeah.

[1837] Definitely.

[1838] Yeah.

[1839] And it was interesting because I used to watch him when he was in his 30s and he would complain about crooked promoters and all these things.

[1840] And my thought was, man, it's too bad.

[1841] This guy, like, missed his prime.

[1842] Right.

[1843] And then he did what he did.

[1844] And then he did what he did after that.

[1845] After that, yeah.

[1846] Because he got, he was in jail for, like, strong -arm robbery and got out and kind of like wallowed in obscurity.

[1847] And then his shot was that Roy fight.

[1848] Yeah.

[1849] You know?

[1850] And so we were like, ah, you got your shot?

[1851] I guess that's it.

[1852] They just got better.

[1853] You know, better with age.

[1854] You know, man, it's like the rarest thing in anything.

[1855] Well, the discipline that he had.

[1856] That's what it is.

[1857] It's extraordinary discipline and, you know, his mindset.

[1858] It should be a lesson.

[1859] Yeah.

[1860] To everyone.

[1861] Yeah.

[1862] You know, the discipline and dedication to whatever you want to do can be achieved through that.

[1863] And he's still in good shape.

[1864] Amazing shape.

[1865] That's the other thing.

[1866] He doesn't balloon up.

[1867] No, never, never.

[1868] I see him at the fights.

[1869] He's still the same.

[1870] same yeah yeah yeah you know oscar's chubby now yeah you know but i don't blame those dude like when duran got really big that dude was cutting when he was trying to make 135 and all that yeah you know he just kept going up because he's like to eat yeah and he fought iran balkley at 168 i mean this a dude who turned pro 135 well i remember when he fucked up davy more oh my god that was unreal i was like what is this everybody thought davy more this young lion and is going to destroy this old legend and Roberto thumbed him.

[1871] Doran's in my top five all time.

[1872] Oh, yeah.

[1873] Any weight class, top five, yeah.

[1874] Well, I always tell people if you really want to watch Roberta, you got to watch the lightweight Roberto.

[1875] Before he even went to fight Leonard.

[1876] The black and white fights.

[1877] Yes, Kenney Cannon.

[1878] Most, right.

[1879] Oh, that's beautiful.

[1880] Most people in America think of Duran from like Sugar Ray on.

[1881] I'm like, you want to see art. Yeah.

[1882] And just subtle shit on the inside that he did He was doing before Chavez, that little subtle shit on the inside and picking off shots that people don't know is defense.

[1883] He was eating none of those shots on the inside and then banging the body and all of that.

[1884] Those fights were art. Yes, he was great at 40, 47, 54, 60.

[1885] He did amazing things.

[1886] And, again, that's why he's in my top five.

[1887] But you're right.

[1888] If people want to see Doran, watch those fights at lightweight.

[1889] Yeah, he came up and waited just to get paid.

[1890] Of course.

[1891] He could have stayed at lightweight for a long time.

[1892] Of course, and just dominated him.

[1893] I think I still, even now, I think he's the best lightweight ever.

[1894] Wow.

[1895] I don't think there's any lightweight that was better.

[1896] Well, he was shredded back then.

[1897] Yes.

[1898] With that fucking dark goatee?

[1899] He looked like the devil.

[1900] I said, once I'm on a post, I said, if I'm in a dark alley, I'm more scared of Duran than Tyson.

[1901] Really?

[1902] Yes.

[1903] All day.

[1904] That motherfucker will do some shit to us that I don't know Mike's capable of.

[1905] There was an interview where they went to see him in Panama, and he picked up a cat by the tail and smashed it against a brick wall.

[1906] Yeah, okay.

[1907] Yeah, I don't want to see that guy in an alley.

[1908] Yeah.

[1909] And the interviewer was like, what?

[1910] Yeah.

[1911] He just grabbed a cat and chucked it against a wall.

[1912] Look, man. I mean, look.

[1913] There's a darkness to that.

[1914] Yeah.

[1915] You're not, you know, you're a couple sandwiches short of a picnic.

[1916] Yeah.

[1917] Well, I mean, you got to think about a guy.

[1918] growing up in Panama when he did.

[1919] You're fighting for your life.

[1920] No rugs, no floor, mud.

[1921] That's another level of poverty that we don't get.

[1922] Like when you said, the very first thing you said in this interview, well, we were born in America.

[1923] We already had that.

[1924] Yeah.

[1925] One step above all these, you know what I mean?

[1926] You're talking about Castro's Cuba, like, he won't let those amateurs leave, bro.

[1927] Rigondia, like, had to escape.

[1928] Yeah.

[1929] All those dudes had to escape.

[1930] Arisland Ilada, his family's there, bro.

[1931] These dudes leave their family on a fucking boat, not a boat, on a fucking raft.

[1932] Because Castro was like, no, we want to build the amateur program.

[1933] That's why Ranganda, like, he's got dudes in like two Olympics.

[1934] You know, you try to make it the one and then go pro and he won't let them.

[1935] Yeah.

[1936] The program, it's so, you know, I don't know if his son, it seems like there's a shift.

[1937] There's a shift culturally there now.

[1938] They let Yowell Romero come back.

[1939] Yeah.

[1940] Yuel Romero went back and he was hanging.

[1941] out there but he said it was very tense like you don't talk you don't say nothing really he's like yeah he goes because everybody's jealous they're all mad that you get to come back and forth because you know joel romero top ufc fighter he went back i wouldn't i wouldn't go back you know not if i had the life i had yeah you know what i mean of being a top guy and getting paydays um i i i understand why he went back of course i understand why you know what i mean but if me and you go to Italy, no, we might not come back here.

[1942] Look, they can have it.

[1943] Yeah, they can have it.

[1944] You know?

[1945] I want to...

[1946] Pictures.

[1947] There you go.

[1948] I got family and we got what's app and shit.

[1949] Yeah.

[1950] Whatever.

[1951] Yeah, I'm not interested in going anywhere.

[1952] I can't come back.

[1953] No, man. Yeah.

[1954] But I just don't think we'll ever understand what it's like to be essentially a prisoner in a communist dictatorship.

[1955] Absolutely.

[1956] And to grow up through their amateur program.

[1957] And when Y 'all Romero was on the podcast, Joey Diaz was translating for him.

[1958] It was beautiful.

[1959] And he was explaining, you know, what life is like in, you know, these amateur programs.

[1960] It's like, you are sharing time with 10 other people that want your spot.

[1961] Yeah.

[1962] And that's what you're doing all day long.

[1963] You're training with 10 other people that are in your position.

[1964] That's all they do, man. That's all they do.

[1965] It's all they know.

[1966] You know, and you think about, there's no scenario where I'm jumping in shark -infested waters on a fucking raft.

[1967] Right.

[1968] And if you're driven to do that, yeah.

[1969] Whatever drives you to do that must be fucking heavy, man. Yeah.

[1970] You know, and of course, we don't, him telling you that allowed you into the mind of that fight, that's a very rare experience that you had to be, that he shared that, because a lot of these dudes don't get to tell their story, you know what I mean, of what it was like and the amateur program being stuck there, being a prisoner, you're kidding, once these dudes get out, you know, like, some of them, they'll be like, you know, like, there'll be Olympic games in, say, Europe and they'll escape from there.

[1971] Yep.

[1972] They'll just dart after the fight.

[1973] Well, that's what had with Yowell.

[1974] He escaped in Germany.

[1975] Okay, yeah, yeah.

[1976] A couple people did it the same thing, like Russia, wherever they were at for games and got the fuck out.

[1977] I mean, that, that, that, him getting in the ring after going through that is cake.

[1978] Right.

[1979] You know what I mean?

[1980] That's, this is, he's living the, you know, training in a gym and he, sleeping on a bed with sheets.

[1981] And it's like, this is cake.

[1982] You know, that's the.

[1983] shit we don't we don't appreciate when I was talking about being a negative person yeah well he was talking about in the amateur program if you do well if you're at the top you get three meals a day if you don't do so well you get two like you're literally fighting for your ability to eat it's insane like we don't we can't understand no man not on any level no I mean imagine that's all you've ever known too of course then you see these slobs in America complaining yes you know know that's how i when i started seeing shit um some of the places in eastern europe that weren't part of the union yet and then squal and and two -year -old's asking me for money i'm like yo man like get your shit together meaning me right yo get your life get your way of thinking change it because this is what this is this is this kid's reality yeah she's a two -year -old girl her mom's telling her to come over you know asking me for yoro yeah that's that's a game changer yeah and and if that doesn't change you that i don't know man there's you're off the biggest mind fuck is that if you make 35 thousand dollars you're in the one percent of the world when people talk about one percent as you think about people with yachts and private jets and fucking diamond rings nope nope nope one percent is 35 thousand dollars a year for the world yeah that's that's sobering that's scary yeah when you travel lot like where's your favorite places to go yeah i know you do europe you you you travel all over the place touring um i love scandinavia really yeah why's that i don't know i like i hate the heat bro oh do you yeah i'm like one of those dudes of the air conditions on 24 hours and and it's 30 degrees um it's mega clean too yeah super clean it looks fake it looks like uh like a movie set really yeah but the crowds are crazy i mean i'm from Italy, so of course I love there.

[1984] Australia was incredible, but I almost had a nervous breakdown on the flight.

[1985] Oh, because it's too long?

[1986] Bro.

[1987] Bro.

[1988] It's a flight and a half, man. Bro, it's five or six hours from Philly, and then you fly out of L .A. Acton was another 17.

[1989] Is it 17 to Australia?

[1990] If you leave from Philly, it's 22.

[1991] Right.

[1992] That's a long way to go.

[1993] Look, man. How much is it if you go the other way?

[1994] On the way home.

[1995] And on the way home We were the farthest point in Australia So the flight in Australia Was like six hours So from the time I texted my mom I'm leaving to come home to Philadelphia I got home 36 hours later So they offer me Constantly to come back And you know This is what we do for a living We go places And I'm like Yo man that flight nervous breakdown you have to decide what's more important money or your mental stability and I'm already nuttier than squirrel shit so I don't need I don't need anything to push me any further than it's already what's going on in between my ears Thailand is a similar thing it's like 14 and then another five like I think it was like 11 to go to Europe or where did we go I think we went to Thai won first and then it was another like five or something or but when by the time you're back you're so confused it took me two solid weeks before i started sleeping at night again i think it took me three i'd wake up like two hours later i'd go to bed tired as fuck wake up two hours later wide awake it was two in the morning i'm like what is this your whole um circadian rhythms jacked it takes forever to get back yeah man took me two or three weeks too and And we fucked up.

[1996] My family, we did two trips in the summer.

[1997] We went to Thailand, and then we took two weeks off, then we went to Italy.

[1998] So it was just a double bonker?

[1999] So was it enough for you to be like, I'm not going back?

[2000] No. No, I like it.

[2001] I've learned how to travel.

[2002] I really like taking my kids places, too.

[2003] I really like the fact that I like to expose them to places like Thailand and like Italy and take them to different places.

[2004] I like exposing them to Costa Rica.

[2005] Well, we didn't get to do that.

[2006] So the fact that you have the ability to do that, it's beautiful for them, you know.

[2007] That's a lot.

[2008] That's cool shit to say that they did that.

[2009] I'm enjoying it more than I ever thought I would.

[2010] Being apparent to me is, it's not just a beautiful thing to watch these little people that I love so much grow and have fun and be happy.

[2011] But it's also, I'm getting to experience the world through their eyes, watch them ride an elephant in Thailand, watch them, you know, watch them a zip line with me. in Costa Rica we're laughing together on the beach It's intense man It's intense man It really is It's intense And it's made me shift My values And shift How I think about Just experiencing things Yeah It's a heavy thing Man They change you in In ways you didn't think Were possible Yeah You know Empathy And I just But like you said Seeing things Through their eyes That's like the coolest thing You know what I mean Because we didn't have that Yeah it's weird It's weird man It makes you feel super vulnerable too, you know?

[2012] Like you were talking about your mom, like worrying about your mom.

[2013] Yeah, yeah.

[2014] You worry about people that you care.

[2015] It's one of the things that's like a catch -22.

[2016] It's like if you're on your own, you don't have to worry about nobody.

[2017] You don't give a fuck about nothing.

[2018] Right.

[2019] But you also don't have anything.

[2020] Right.

[2021] So when you have all these people that you love and you care about so much, then you worry about losing them.

[2022] It's heavy.

[2023] It's heavy.

[2024] Yeah, because when I was alone just wilding, it's like I was behaving that way because I had nothing.

[2025] Right.

[2026] So you're looking for something.

[2027] Then you find it and all you do is worry about losing it.

[2028] You know?

[2029] But it was like it goes back to what we were talking about earlier.

[2030] Like if you're not scared a little, if you're not nervous a little, if you're not get a little bit of anxiety.

[2031] Well, you're not paying attention.

[2032] You know, you're not living your life.

[2033] No, you're not seeing anything.

[2034] You're not putting yourself out there.

[2035] Right.

[2036] If you're putting yourself out there, you're going to have some anxiety.

[2037] You're going to have some fear.

[2038] You're going to have some worries.

[2039] Well, those people that don't have that don't put themselves out.

[2040] They live in a bubble and they're comfortable in that bubble.

[2041] They live gray and dry.

[2042] Yes.

[2043] It's that Nietzsche question.

[2044] Would you rather live your life in a series of tremendous highs and tremendous lows or just a flatline?

[2045] Flatline.

[2046] These people think flatlining that that square life is like, yo, you know, 2 .5 kids in a house.

[2047] Like this is it.

[2048] I'm like, no, that's not it, man. It's not it.

[2049] I mean, there's nothing wrong with having 2 .5 kids in a house, but go do some shit.

[2050] No, that's what I meant.

[2051] Yeah, that's what I meant.

[2052] Go to the woods.

[2053] Go rafting.

[2054] sure you know yeah get get something done man we went white water rafting last year in montana that was shit too wow with the kids yeah man glacier river you know fucking freezing cold water bears everywhere and shit it's nuts man wow you're going rafting down this river and you're seeing trout jump and it's like just getting to see them experience shit like we took them the yellow stone they got to see bison you know wild bison up close Yeah, so their minds are just blown by it.

[2055] I just want them to see as much shit as I can show them.

[2056] That's great, man. I want them to see.

[2057] I mean, I'm like every, you know, a few months, my wife and I sit down and talk, like, what are we going to do this summer?

[2058] Like, where are we going to take them?

[2059] Like, this year was Thailand.

[2060] Where are we going to go next year?

[2061] We've got to take them somewhere else weird.

[2062] God bless.

[2063] Yeah, it's fun, man. It's fascinating.

[2064] It's a weird life education that I didn't anticipate.

[2065] Of course.

[2066] Yeah.

[2067] You build it, man, and you deserve it.

[2068] Because you did it your way, and that's punk rock as fuck.

[2069] Punk rock as fuck.

[2070] That's funny.

[2071] Yeah.

[2072] When you're traveling, how many guys do you bring him with you?

[2073] It's usually, so there's three of us on stage, like me rhyming, a hype man, and a DJ, and then a tour manager, and a merch guy.

[2074] So usually five.

[2075] That's a good thing, because comics a lot of times travel by themselves.

[2076] Right.

[2077] They get depressed.

[2078] Well, I know like Artie would talk about it a lot, like just being alone in a hotel room and fucking Schenectady.

[2079] I figured that shit out a long time ago, though.

[2080] I started bringing my friends with me because in promoters or clubs, they wouldn't pay for the friend.

[2081] They wouldn't pay.

[2082] So I would just say, look, give me a flat rate.

[2083] I'll pay my opening act.

[2084] I'll pay their airfare.

[2085] I'll pay their hotel.

[2086] I'd rather lose money.

[2087] On my earlier tours, I was, the promoters, did.

[2088] didn't care about opening acts and I was paying my homeboys to be the opening acts just like you.

[2089] Yeah.

[2090] What I was getting paid, I was handing it to them.

[2091] Same thing to keep yourself.

[2092] It's a better experience.

[2093] It is because you're keeping yourself seen.

[2094] Yeah.

[2095] And you have family in the road.

[2096] Like when I go on the road, if I go on the road with Joey or Ari or any of those guys, we're family.

[2097] We're having a good time.

[2098] Sure.

[2099] You know, it's like wherever we are.

[2100] Like what time you guys want to eat?

[2101] Let's eat at lunch.

[2102] Right.

[2103] Noon.

[2104] You guys want to go to the gym?

[2105] All right.

[2106] Let's go hit the gym.

[2107] That's how we are.

[2108] So we're laughing and having a good time.

[2109] But in the early days, I did a lot of those solo trips.

[2110] There's a weird, empty feeling you have.

[2111] Sure, man. That's a very dark.

[2112] That's, I mean, did you see that Louis episode?

[2113] No. That he did about traveling and he's alone.

[2114] Oh, it's a whole episode dedicated to what you just said.

[2115] Yeah.

[2116] And it was very dark.

[2117] It was not humorous.

[2118] You got to take friends with you.

[2119] Yeah.

[2120] I have friends to this day that don't do it that way.

[2121] They go on this, they use local acts.

[2122] And I'm like, man, don't do it.

[2123] But they, yeah, it's.

[2124] but then I'd have to pay for his airfare.

[2125] I'm like, pay the money.

[2126] Sure, man, sure.

[2127] I know you're going to make less money that way, but you feel better.

[2128] You have to, there comes a time where those decisions where you're doing things monetarily, you're making this decision based on financial, and you have to worry about your mental stability more.

[2129] Yeah.

[2130] Whatever the opening would get it.

[2131] It's 500 a grand, three grand, five, whatever it is, that's worth having family.

[2132] with you.

[2133] Not only that, I feel like your performance is going to be better.

[2134] Of course.

[2135] Because you're going to be with friends.

[2136] You're going to have a good time.

[2137] You're not worried about the show.

[2138] You bring a funny guy to open up for you.

[2139] And you know he's good.

[2140] Yeah.

[2141] Yeah.

[2142] And then so then more people will come to your next show.

[2143] It's like it's better for you financially.

[2144] It's a short -term investment for a long -term game.

[2145] Of course.

[2146] Of course.

[2147] That's what these people think they're penny wise and pound foolish.

[2148] You know what I mean?

[2149] They don't understand it.

[2150] When what you're doing, everyone's going to kill.

[2151] and then it's going to be double the people next time.

[2152] Yeah.

[2153] You know what I mean?

[2154] At least everybody's going to have a good time.

[2155] And you're not going to get out of there crazy.

[2156] When I come back Sunday morning, I might be tired, but at least I had a good time.

[2157] Sure.

[2158] I don't feel like I'm going to fucking shoot myself.

[2159] Absolutely.

[2160] Yeah.

[2161] That's the real problem with travel.

[2162] It's fucking depressing.

[2163] You know, one of the things I read about an interview with Bourdain after he died, I started reading a bunch of shit that he had.

[2164] Because it blindsided me I didn't see it coming And then after he died I read a bunch of his stuff Where he was talking about How intensely lonely it was When he was traveling And I knew he traveled with people That he cared about You know, he traveled with people that he liked But I think just traveling 250 days a year period Will fuck you up Absolutely I can't say that People being with me I still don't feel lonely Because there's something There's a connection to home Right That once I separate from that, from home, from Philly, from my mom, you know, all of that.

[2165] Once I'm separated from that reality, I love having my friends around me, and it makes it better, but it doesn't fix it.

[2166] Yeah.

[2167] There's still this sense of I'm out here alone, you know, right?

[2168] There's still, and I don't, I can't make any sense out of that because I'm technically not alone.

[2169] So it's not, it doesn't make much sense.

[2170] You're not home, though.

[2171] Right.

[2172] I read something where you were saying that this might be your last tour.

[2173] I'm just, I don't know, man. It's coming.

[2174] Yeah?

[2175] How old do you know?

[2176] I'll be 41 in October 5th.

[2177] And you just getting tired of it?

[2178] It's draining me, man. Forget the physical.

[2179] It's train in my spirit.

[2180] It's the anxiety before I'm leaving is, say you get nervous like three days before you're leaving.

[2181] Now it's starting like two months before I'm leaving.

[2182] Really?

[2183] Yeah.

[2184] When you go out, how long do you go out for?

[2185] That's changed, too.

[2186] I mean, I would go out for six weeks, 42 shows in a row before, you know, before.

[2187] Now I got like two, two and a half weeks in me, then I'll come home.

[2188] Then I go, like, when I come back from Cali, then I go to Europe, you know.

[2189] But, you know, again, like to say last tour, it's like, I don't want to fucking turn into Gene Simmons where it's, you know what I'm saying, where it's like, this is it.

[2190] So come see me. You're never going to see me again.

[2191] Like, I'm not doing that.

[2192] 80s they did that.

[2193] Yeah, in 83 or something, you know, it's, I don't want to do that.

[2194] That's so I don't, it's why I chose my words properly where it was more like, you know, I'm getting run down and it's, you know, traveling is, it's, again, it's no different than you.

[2195] It's beautiful being up on stage when people are laughing, you know, but getting there.

[2196] Yeah.

[2197] The flights, the this, the that, the hotels.

[2198] It's just, I don't, you know, it's something that you can never explain to someone who doesn't do it and why exactly you're tired still when you walk out on stage in germany or some shit all goes away and everybody goes crazy it all goes away man oh it's still still the side of the planet other side of the planet it's still it's still the most humbling thing in the world because it's still in my head like now i'm a kid from philly you know like it was rhyming on street corners ladies and gentlemen finny pass yeah that that could never it's crazy never not feel great you know it's um i almost feel bad for people that'll never experience that sure sure it's a mind -fucking it's unreal it's like it's pinch yourself shit yeah you know you're like you know how the fuck did it sometimes you got to step back you know i don't think it's people we do that enough yeah you know because we're living in the moment like even right now like is like i've been a fan of yours for a very long time and just to have this convo with you is beautiful and i and it's going to be a mind -fuck later after i think about it right you know what i mean because we're We're just talking like old friends now, you know what I mean?

[2199] But it's like, I've been following your whole career, you know what I mean?

[2200] So, and been a fan your whole career.

[2201] So it's...

[2202] I still get weird out when I meet people.

[2203] Of course.

[2204] Of course.

[2205] Known someone for a long time by watching their stuff or listening to their stuff.

[2206] And then you're right in front of him.

[2207] Like, hey, man. What's up?

[2208] I became friends of Bill Paxton because he was like, can I come to the show?

[2209] I'm a fan.

[2210] What?

[2211] That guy was great.

[2212] Oh, it was the best.

[2213] You know what I loved him in?

[2214] Remember that vampire?

[2215] movie oh shit what the fuck was that movie i don't remember what that was called what was that god damn it did you see the shit he directed frailty i did see that that was good that was very good yeah yeah it was creepy it's very creepy yeah what the fuck was that vampire movie jamie's got it what you what is it jamie near dark that was a great that's one of the best vampire movies ever and one of the ones that people forgot about jamie's like you're fucking this This motherfucker.

[2216] It's a wizard.

[2217] You're like not even finished sentences and shit's going on the ball.

[2218] Well, we've been working together a long time is telepallic.

[2219] That's what's going on.

[2220] I can tell.

[2221] I can tell.

[2222] Much respect, man. Paxton was in a gang of good movies.

[2223] Yeah, man. He was great.

[2224] Bro, Chet.

[2225] You're stude, butt wide.

[2226] Yeah.

[2227] Aliens.

[2228] He's in aliens, a second alien movie.

[2229] Remember he's in the first scene of Terminator?

[2230] He's the punk rock.

[2231] He takes his clothes, remember?

[2232] That's right.

[2233] Yeah.

[2234] Yeah.

[2235] Talented guy, very sad, man. That guy went on fucking Good Morning America.

[2236] Yeah, he went on Good Morning America and big me up to, like, Kathy Lee.

[2237] Really?

[2238] She's like, I heard you're a hip -hop fan.

[2239] He's like, yeah, Jedi Mind Tricks.

[2240] I was like, what the fuck?

[2241] You want to talk about what the fuck?

[2242] You know what I mean?

[2243] I'm like, I got like one sock on, my hair sticking up and Bill Paxon saying my name on Good Morning America.

[2244] How old was he when he died?

[2245] I see he was only like 50 -something.

[2246] Yeah, man, he was young.

[2247] He died of a stroke.

[2248] He was young.

[2249] And not a dude who, like, he was in good shape and, you know, lived well.

[2250] 62?

[2251] Fuck.

[2252] Stroke.

[2253] Jesus Christ.

[2254] And he had a young son, has a young son, you know, very young.

[2255] He's only 21 now, 22, you know?

[2256] So that's...

[2257] Yeah.

[2258] You never know, man. You do never know.

[2259] Yeah.

[2260] That's a hard life, too, man, that movie star life.

[2261] Maybe, oh, poor baby, it's a movie star.

[2262] But those set days are rough, man 18 hours a day 16, 18 hours standing around Waiting and then you got to do it again The next day and you're working six, seven days a week Rarely do you have a day off Because their budget is only a certain amount They're going to smash in all the filming So you're doing 42 days in a row or something Yeah, everybody's on everybody's nerves You're on top of people And stressful and tense You ever hear the Christian bail rant?

[2263] Yes, the fucking sound guy Or the lighting guy was in his way You fucking amateur man Losing it.

[2264] Yeah.

[2265] Loses his shit.

[2266] Well, he's an intense motherfucker that guy.

[2267] Brilliant actor.

[2268] He's one of those I'll almost die for a part guys.

[2269] Definitely.

[2270] When he did the Dickie Eckland, the Mickey Ward shit, right?

[2271] He almost died.

[2272] Well, and then that was the second time he did that.

[2273] Mechanic.

[2274] Machinist?

[2275] Machinist or the mechanic.

[2276] That shit is brilliant.

[2277] It's not even a good movie.

[2278] No. It's just a horror scene.

[2279] Yeah.

[2280] It's just a horror scene.

[2281] Just seeing him literally on death's door.

[2282] Yeah, that's the brilliance in it.

[2283] I just don't understand people that are willing to do that.

[2284] I mean, just do something else, man. Yeah, I'm not willing to do anything, so he almost die.

[2285] Do a role where you don't have to starve yourself, man. Yeah, you had to have another script in front of you that day.

[2286] And that's the thing.

[2287] It's like, do that movie, and all that movie is known for is the fact that you almost died.

[2288] Yeah.

[2289] That's it.

[2290] Nobody's like, man, the machinist was like.

[2291] Like, when Robert.

[2292] De Niro gained a shitload of weight for Raging Bull.

[2293] You know, he got in fantastic shape, played Jake LaMotta, was ripped, and then gained a fuckload of weight to play Jake as he was older.

[2294] Like, you go, wow, that's some serious goddamn commitment.

[2295] And it's one of the best movies ever.

[2296] Yeah, that's the thing.

[2297] It's one of the best movies ever.

[2298] But if you do that, like Charlize Theron did that when she played Iline Whirlmos.

[2299] Yeah, yeah, that was another one.

[2300] And that was even more bold.

[2301] She's a beautiful woman.

[2302] Yes, yes.

[2303] So for her to get fat and disgusting like that, it's like, wow.

[2304] Yeah, and that movie's great.

[2305] It was a great movie.

[2306] It won the Oscar, right?

[2307] Or she did?

[2308] Yeah.

[2309] I think, yeah, she got gross, man. That's a horror movie.

[2310] My friend Patty wrote and directed that.

[2311] Oh, really?

[2312] Yeah.

[2313] Buddy Jenkins in the house.

[2314] Wow.

[2315] That's crazy.

[2316] You think about how fucking smoking hot she is.

[2317] Yeah, man. She got gross.

[2318] Got rid of her eyelashes, her eyebrows, everything.

[2319] Look at her with that Oscar.

[2320] Ooh, same person, hollow.

[2321] It makes you think all these chubby gross ladies.

[2322] Maybe you just...

[2323] Maybe they just need a little...

[2324] Yeah, a little motivation.

[2325] It looked like Charlize de Rhone.

[2326] Yeah.

[2327] It's a tough craft that acting.

[2328] You know, it's one of those jobs where, you know, everybody wants to do it, but very few people can.

[2329] And when you do do it, it's like such an unbelievably grueling grind.

[2330] Yeah, yeah.

[2331] can only do it for so long and if you're a woman man you got just a few years in your body your window is yeah especially if you're a hot woman yeah there's a gang of those 22 year old cupcakes coming up trying to take your spot absolutely they're just as crazy as you they can cry on cue and they will always be coming up always always always bad parents out there making good actors absolutely making bad parental decisions and sending their kids to Hollywood I mean that's what it is here there's a flood of I mean how often you spend time out here pretty often a couple times a year i have a lot of like close friends out here it's a strange place bizarre world yeah yeah and and like philly is not a showbiz hub no but there's a lot of great showbiz kevin heart sure great bands a lot of great music of course great stuff comes from philly yeah but it's not a showbiz hub it's not it's not i mean we're 90 miles from new york so that's like you know but yeah not close enough but this is a showbiz hub of course this attracts all the weirdes every i mean every waiter's an aspiring actor you know bartenders I still through all the times I've been coming here can't wrap my head around that like everyone's an aspiring something everyone everyone yeah it's what it is the whole place well the other thing is you get to know like I get to know people when they have kids like your kids become friends with their kids and then you meet the parents you think the parents are normal and it turns out no you know there were actors they gave it up and you know sells fucking computers or whatever right it's like Everyone had this dream to come out here.

[2332] I think if you just took into account all showbiz aspirations in Southern California, you saw it on a map, like a little red light would go off, wherever the showbiz aspirations were.

[2333] It would be overwhelming, man. It would be.

[2334] Whereas in place like Philly or Boston, where I'm from, you don't see much.

[2335] No, no, anyone with aspirations, it's sort of self -contained, you know, and they, they, they, they.

[2336] do what's necessary, but, you know, it's just, I've always been intrigued because L .A. and New York are those places where everyone you ask isn't from there.

[2337] Right.

[2338] You know what I mean?

[2339] Like, no, the girl walking down the street in Manhattan is from Iowa.

[2340] Right.

[2341] She wants to be a model or whatever.

[2342] And it's like, same thing out here.

[2343] Like, oh, I'm from, you know, from wherever.

[2344] Like, nobody's from here.

[2345] Yeah.

[2346] Well, not nobody, but, you know.

[2347] Very few.

[2348] Yeah.

[2349] Very few.

[2350] Yeah.

[2351] It's a total transient city.

[2352] You know, and New York is a weird one, too, because whenever I'm in New York, I go, I look at all these people, I go, okay, how do you afford this?

[2353] I just see a small walking down the street, and I'm like, yo, a closet here is like $5 ,000 a month.

[2354] And you just look, it looks like you just walked out of a sewer like a chud.

[2355] I don't understand it.

[2356] I don't either.

[2357] And, you know, I talk to people that lived there in the 90s and they still live there today.

[2358] Yeah.

[2359] They're like, New York City used to be a lot of artists and a lot of, like, weird people.

[2360] Especially downtown.

[2361] Now it's all finance people.

[2362] It's just so gentrified.

[2363] It doesn't look like the North New York that we, you know, we used to see.

[2364] Gentrified is a fun name for white people, right?

[2365] It is.

[2366] That's what it is, right?

[2367] It's, sure.

[2368] It's happening in Philly too.

[2369] Is it?

[2370] Yeah, white is bum rushing places that I used to hang out where you had to speak Spanish to be there.

[2371] And it was the hood.

[2372] And now it's like white people walking, they look like they're in Weezer, walking little like toy dogs.

[2373] You know, it's a fucking, it's a murder scene, man. Well, that's a weird thing.

[2374] Like, D .C. has that.

[2375] Two, D .C.'s weird in that the hood and the gentified neighborhoods are like a block away for each other.

[2376] That's how Philly is.

[2377] And these motherfuckers are going to walk one block the wrong way and be fucking beheaded.

[2378] But look, have at it, man, I guess.

[2379] How does that work?

[2380] It's just people go there for like some sort of a professional gig and they run out of real estate so they just start redoing houses?

[2381] Yeah, man. It's like, it's basically like glorified slum lord shit.

[2382] Like, you know, and you can't, you can't displace poor people.

[2383] It's not like they just disappear.

[2384] Right.

[2385] Like, everyone's got to go somewhere, you know what I mean?

[2386] So you're just like, you're basically playing Tetris with humans.

[2387] Like, you're moving, you're moving.

[2388] This is like one of the worst hoods in Philly and now it's bougie.

[2389] Is that really happening in Philly?

[2390] Yeah, absolutely, man. Like, the only city more gentrified than New York is Philadelphia, in my opinion.

[2391] Well, that's happening in Brownsville, right?

[2392] Yeah.

[2393] I mean, you could just start going to the East New York and Browns.

[2394] Bill and say gentrify, bedstye, you know, like, you're talking bedstide, do or die.

[2395] And now there's like white guys named Chip walking around.

[2396] It's like, what's happening, man?

[2397] So strange.

[2398] It's bizarre.

[2399] Gentrification is just bizarre in general because I'm like, yo, where are you putting the people that are leaving?

[2400] Right.

[2401] Where are they going?

[2402] Well, who's responsibility is it?

[2403] If you, like, if you wanted to buy a building, are you supposed to think about the people that are poor that are there?

[2404] Are you supposed to think about your money that you're buying the building for?

[2405] The people that want to do it have to be cut from a different cost.

[2406] cloth that I'm not cut from I couldn't do that I couldn't do that just displace people sure yeah I don't it's just you have to it's there's a there's a cut throat mentality that's needed and and it's needed in the um the music and entertainment industry that that I don't have and it's probably held me back by being just like a good guy there should I think so like in what way what should what could you have done that would have propelled you further um Well, as far as like, as far as being more popular, I don't know, but decisions I've made, like when you said, you know, you would pay for your buddies to come.

[2407] And I do too.

[2408] Now, if we had like a financial advisor, they'd be like, you two are morons for doing that.

[2409] I would tell them these wrong because I'd be performing better, so it would be better shows.

[2410] Like my lawyer is like, you're the worst client ever.

[2411] You pay everyone.

[2412] You pay them.

[2413] You pay them.

[2414] too well you pay them too handsomely fuck everybody i'm like yo man like i just not i don't know if that helps you get by the i don't think that really advances you like if you have that mentality i don't think that really advances you i think what advances you is great work and what what does it's fair what does it take to make great work i think there's got to be a certain amount of you have to have a certain amount of chaos but also a certain amount of peace yeah of course you know and you you get those from the There's decisions that you've made that I've made that ultimately you made them because that's who you are.

[2415] Yeah.

[2416] Well, I think in order for me to have altered who I am, then I would have had to live with that too.

[2417] Yeah.

[2418] And I don't want to not be who I am because if I, I wouldn't want to do the success wouldn't mean anything to me if I got there by not being me. You got to live with that.

[2419] And that's worse than not succeeding to me. I don't know about other people A lot of people just fake it And they're not who they are And they're okay with that If it comes with success In order for me to shift Who I am inherently My fiber, my being The way that I was raised to treat people If I had to shift that and have success The success wouldn't be success to me It would be on paper The rap business is just so strange Right And I don't know how you feel about Mumble Rap but mumble rap is one of the weirdest things to me I'm confused It's bizarre What is happening I just I feel like I feel like I don't want to be that dude Who doesn't get it Right right right You know what I mean?

[2420] But you don't get it I don't get it either I don't but When you start dealing with youth culture And when I was the age of these mumble rap kids They were older heads saying You know the generation before us the cold crush brothers to the Big Daddy Keynes that they probably thought what we were doing was crazy so is that what's happening?

[2421] I don't know maybe everyone's like what the fuck is that it's like it's to the point with me where I'm like yo is that even a genre of rap like I almost look at it I guess I don't I guess I don't have a problem with it because I don't process it is anything close to what I do right it's almost like if you said yo what do you think about EDM I'd be like oh I don't know I guess it's all right I don't even look at it like I can't Listen to that and then hear Big Daddy Kane and think it's the same thing.

[2422] Well, when we were kids listening to music, right?

[2423] If you were listening to something that you enjoyed, one of the things you loved was, like, good lyrics.

[2424] Of course.

[2425] And when you can't understand what they're saying.

[2426] Yeah.

[2427] And it's also, it's just so driven by, it's like phrase driven.

[2428] They just say whatever the line over and over again.

[2429] Yeah.

[2430] I don't know if like it's just because these kids are doing Maui or whatever.

[2431] And they're just in a zone.

[2432] Is it drug culture?

[2433] Because that's happened before too.

[2434] You know, one thing creates the other.

[2435] It's like chicken or the egg.

[2436] Are these kids doing Mali and make Mumble Rap?

[2437] Are they doing Mumble Rap and they're eating Mali?

[2438] And it's all, it's, you know, the 60s, going back to the 50s and beatniks and that scene and jazz and heroin and what created it?

[2439] You know what I mean?

[2440] Did Miles and Coltrane make some of those records because they were on Haran or vice versa?

[2441] And it's happened historically.

[2442] Is this just a drug -driven culture?

[2443] I don't know because I'm detached.

[2444] You know, I'm detaching that.

[2445] And, you know, I'm a kid who grew up, you know, listening to metal and stuff like that.

[2446] So I don't, I'm not at a shortage for, I'll listen to Slayer.

[2447] I'll just listen to Slayer before I listen to that.

[2448] If that's my only option, then I listen to Slayer.

[2449] You know what I mean?

[2450] I listen to Black Flag.

[2451] I'll listen to minor threat.

[2452] That's what I'll do, you know.

[2453] So whether I, however I feel about it becomes irrelevant when you realize that you have, have so much good shit out there.

[2454] So I don't need, it's like with film.

[2455] Like, I'm not worried about a bad movie.

[2456] I'll just watch a dope movie.

[2457] Right.

[2458] There's so many movies.

[2459] They're not throwing them away.

[2460] Right.

[2461] And it's like, yo, I'll just listen to Thin Lizzie.

[2462] Right.

[2463] If I don't feel like adjusting to that.

[2464] You know what I mean?

[2465] And there's other things that we might not get because we're not doing what we used to do.

[2466] Maybe if we were out of the bar or the club five nights a week and you weren't married with kids.

[2467] And we were hammered.

[2468] Maybe it sounds different.

[2469] Right.

[2470] You know, it's time and play shit.

[2471] Yeah.

[2472] It's like you hear certain songs, and you're like, I'm not listening to my car.

[2473] I'm throwing the windows up if someone sees this.

[2474] Yeah.

[2475] But maybe it affects them differently in a live environment or something.

[2476] I don't know.

[2477] I'm playing devil's advocate.

[2478] Just to...

[2479] It's just a strange trend where it's a lot of mumbling.

[2480] I'm like, what is...

[2481] I don't know what they're on about.

[2482] Cough syrup?

[2483] Yeah.

[2484] I think it's just lean and Molly.

[2485] I just...

[2486] And I think that that drug culture created that.

[2487] I have a friend of mine who's a real estate agent.

[2488] Some mumble rapper was working on the house and she's like i literally had no idea what the fuck he was saying so he's talking him him talking as a human he mama he's yeah he's yeah wow he's just mumbling he's all bit bumble see i didn't know that i thought it was like their style on when they rhymed but maybe it was just this one but she was showing him this dope house and he's mumbling up a storm wow so he's like asking her for jacuzzi and she thinks she's ordering a pizza i don't know i mean i you know i love listening to naz And I love listening to Public Enemy and clean lyrics, you know, that had a hit to them.

[2489] Yeah, KRS -1.

[2490] Yeah, Big Daddy K. Yeah, of course.

[2491] That's a son of the police.

[2492] That's hip -hop.

[2493] Yeah, there was something to it, though, that you knew that they were trying to get a message across along with the music.

[2494] Of course.

[2495] It was something cool about it.

[2496] Yeah, I think maybe these kids think you can't do both.

[2497] Yeah.

[2498] And our era was different.

[2499] It's like people could dance to public enemy And they were talking about what was going on In urban community Yeah That era You could There were There were boogie down production KRS records You could dance the sound of the police You could dance out of here You could dance I think there's a disconnect With these kids That they don't think you can say something And Have people Dance or whatever I don't know what these fucking mumbo motherfuckers are doing They might just slobber in the corner It's just Well they all have to have tattoos on their face too oh yeah that's another part of the program that's like another mockery the tattoo they're like settle down man you know they don't come off right you know it's like I think these kids think they can come off I don't think they care I just don't think they care I don't think they're thinking I mean it's all this I don't give a fuck culture yeah it's like you just and like they're not trying to get cool shit on their face they're trying to get like scribbles yeah no it looks like you know the you know you draw on the face of the drunkade at the party that's what they all look like yeah You know, they all look like that with pink dreads.

[2500] There's a lot of rap music that slipped through the cracks, too.

[2501] Like, a lot of people forget about gangstar.

[2502] Yeah, and they're one of the greatest groups ever.

[2503] Yeah.

[2504] You know, but it's like, it becomes the responsibility of the culture to uphold that.

[2505] Like, when someone like Mitch Hedberg, who passed away young, someone like Bill Hicks, it's like the comedic community is their responsibility that those guys don't get forgotten.

[2506] Right.

[2507] And it's the same with hip -hop.

[2508] It's my responsibility to talk about gangstar in interviews.

[2509] So the 16 -year -old kids says, oh, I'll check that out.

[2510] It's my responsibility to talk about Big Daddy Kane and Cool G. Rap and these dudes, so people go, oh.

[2511] Cool G. Rap.

[2512] A lot of people forget about Cool G. Rap.

[2513] To me, he's the greatest of all time.

[2514] He was one of the greatest for sure.

[2515] I've listened to so much of his shit.

[2516] Yeah, to me, he's the best ever.

[2517] That song, Cockblocking?

[2518] Oh, God.

[2519] Just ignorance at its finest.

[2520] That's a great talking song.

[2521] The guy says, stand up and wipe his dick on your curtain.

[2522] That might be the best rap lyric of all time.

[2523] Yeah, people forgot about cool G rap.

[2524] But if you think about, like, Hicks, right?

[2525] So he was 33, and that was, like, 93.

[2526] You know, there's young kids that love comedy that don't know about Bill.

[2527] And, like, he would influence my life.

[2528] Yeah.

[2529] Because towards the end, he was doing more social commentary than anything.

[2530] Yeah.

[2531] It wasn't even a lot of it wasn't even that funny.

[2532] It stopped being jokes.

[2533] It was just like he was expanding his mind.

[2534] He felt like talking about it, and Hedberg was brilliant.

[2535] Like, you know, it's our responsibility to, like, carry the torch of all these people that were great minds that left too soon.

[2536] What Bourdain, I don't want people to forget about that guy.

[2537] You know what I'm saying?

[2538] He was special.

[2539] Well, luckily, we have a lot of shows to watch.

[2540] Yeah.

[2541] His show was so unique, too, because of his narration.

[2542] What's going to be interesting, I have the newest one with W. Kamal Bell.

[2543] I haven't watched that yet, but it apparently is the last one.

[2544] where he does narration oh okay and then all the other ones from this season was after he died so someone else is no no no they're not going to do any narration oh okay they're just gonna let the show play itself out just be what it is they're gonna do it i guess somehow with editing and they're gonna figure it out but man it's tough man another punk rock guy too oh yeah man that guy went hard yeah man he went hard If you look at him from like 2014 and then look at him for 2018, it's like he lived several decades inside of a few years.

[2545] Yeah.

[2546] He went hard.

[2547] He was going hard.

[2548] Yeah, I don't know if I recommend it, but, you know, I mean, he said it best.

[2549] You know, life, you should treat life like, treat your body like it's an amusement park.

[2550] He did.

[2551] Yeah.

[2552] Yeah, he did.

[2553] I mean, there's something that we all have in common with all these artists is that there's an understanding that we have that they're all living this non -standard way of getting through this life, that they're all living this strange, chaotic way and creating these amazing things through this strange chaotic existence.

[2554] And we all cling to it and celebrate it and look at it.

[2555] I mean, whether it's Henry Rollins who travels, you know, his crazy thing is he'll just pick a spot on the map and travel and stay there for a couple weeks.

[2556] Yeah.

[2557] He doesn't even know anybody there.

[2558] He just goes there.

[2559] Or whether it's Bordane who would make these shows about it or whether it's musicians or comedians or anybody who does these things.

[2560] It's like I think I take comfort in the fact that there's guys like you out there and that everybody's not trying to be some cardigan wearing, you know, button down, fake progressive.

[2561] who's just trying to not have people mad at them.

[2562] So he's trying to say the things that you think you're supposed to say so that everybody likes you and then before you know what you're dead.

[2563] Yeah.

[2564] There's no rebellion.

[2565] No. No personal, real, objective opinions on things.

[2566] Everything great that's ever come has come out of rebellion.

[2567] Yeah.

[2568] It's come out of a fuck you.

[2569] It's something.

[2570] If not a fuck you, fuck me. Yeah.

[2571] You know, like just fuck every.

[2572] What is this?

[2573] What are we doing?

[2574] Yeah, I don't know what we're doing.

[2575] Fuck my life.

[2576] Fuck, yeah.

[2577] Fuck this.

[2578] If I don't know what I'm doing, then I have to explore everything I can to try to figure out what I'm doing.

[2579] Yeah.

[2580] You know what I mean?

[2581] That's the only way, that's the only way to learn is to live in a, to say, I don't know what I'm doing and then live in a bubble is, that's the antithesis of how to fix that.

[2582] Yeah.

[2583] You know?

[2584] Yeah.

[2585] And, you know, the beautiful thing is that a guy like you or me or other people that are living these different alternative lives, the other thing they do is they send a signal to that kid who's sitting in his room right now.

[2586] His parents are yelling at him because he's got all D's.

[2587] And he's like, I can't fucking do this.

[2588] But you know what I really like to do?

[2589] I really like to listen to rap or I really like to listen to stand -up.

[2590] Or I really like to do whatever the fuck it is.

[2591] I really like to read books.

[2592] Telling that kid it's okay is an important part of what we do.

[2593] It's a huge part.

[2594] Telling that kid, listen.

[2595] system that they have set up for you where you go through this bullshit education process then next thing you know you're in some fucking factory job or some nonsense cubicle that is not good right and they're not telling you that that educational system they're not telling you anything they're not telling you about finance they're not telling you about diet they're not telling you that think about what we learned in high school and how it applies to our life almost nothing nothing information with no it's literally like giving you an engine but not giving you driving lessons yeah and and and and and think of what they could be doing to prepare you.

[2596] It's out there.

[2597] Like, why aren't you giving these kids Kafka or Nietzsche or why aren't you telling them that this is terrible for you or this is filled with chemicals or this is this.

[2598] That's information that needs to be out there.

[2599] You know, I don't in terms of, did you ever learn anything about money when you?

[2600] No. I mean either.

[2601] Nothing.

[2602] You have to have it.

[2603] You got to pay your bills.

[2604] Yeah, I know that much.

[2605] Get a good job.

[2606] Yeah.

[2607] Don't be a loser.

[2608] You're right.

[2609] That's all I know.

[2610] Fuck.

[2611] And then how am I going to do that?

[2612] Because I don't want to do that.

[2613] I don't want to be in a cubicle.

[2614] I know that.

[2615] So how do I maneuver this?

[2616] What do I do?

[2617] Nobody knows.

[2618] Nobody knows.

[2619] And if you tell people you want to try something different, like I want to be a rapper.

[2620] Oh, the fuck out of it.

[2621] Forget about it, man. Forget about it.

[2622] Get a job.

[2623] Yes.

[2624] Yeah.

[2625] So you're fighting, you're not just fighting the machine.

[2626] You're fighting people that love you.

[2627] Yeah.

[2628] They don't want you to be a loser.

[2629] Yeah.

[2630] And it's, it's, you're trying to do the opposite of that.

[2631] You're trying to change.

[2632] You're trying to break the cycle of this, you know, this, you know, you go to school, then you get a job, or you go to school, then you go to college, and then you get into $250 ,000 worth of debt to go work a job you hate to pay off that $250 ,000 debt.

[2633] And it's the cycle, and that's the cycle of this country.

[2634] And the fucked up thing is, if you want to do something different, nobody's got a path for you.

[2635] Like if you say, hey, you know, I really love hip -hop.

[2636] I want to be a rapper.

[2637] Yeah.

[2638] no one says oh well that's a viable job opportunity obviously a lot of people are rappers right you can do this this is something you can do no one says that nobody no one no if you tell them you want to be a stand -up what are you fucking out of your mind you're not funny right my own mom told me that did she wow I never thought you were very funny all right mom wait till I talk shit about you and all the people laugh yeah and the weightlifting skit you did my that was me and Brian Callan.

[2639] Brilliant.

[2640] Yeah, but this alternative lives, like outside of the straight and narrow structure that most people follow, that's available to people.

[2641] They just have to have more examples of it.

[2642] It's example.

[2643] People like us are examples, and they also, there is, though, I will say this, you have to have balls to do it.

[2644] And you have to be able to look at things honestly and fix things that aren't.

[2645] Of course.

[2646] And that shit I didn't do.

[2647] I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't being self -aware at certain times.

[2648] And then once you start doing that and saying, maybe this is me, maybe this is me. And if I change this and you see instant results.

[2649] Yeah.

[2650] You know what I mean?

[2651] How long you've been doing it for?

[2652] I wrote my first rhyme at nine, but it was like the worst thing ever.

[2653] Wow.

[2654] What was your early influences?

[2655] Well, my brother's brought home, Sucker MCs, that was.

[2656] It was 83.

[2657] It was like little.

[2658] I played it on like my Muppets' Turnstable.

[2659] And the first record where I said, I want to rap was Lattee.

[2660] This cuts got flavor.

[2661] I was like, I want to do this.

[2662] And then I did, remember Candy Girl by New Edition?

[2663] Yes.

[2664] I did, I wrapped on that at the, in like third grade talent show.

[2665] Really?

[2666] Third grade.

[2667] Yeah, my mom's got it on VHS and threatens me with it.

[2668] I'm like, that's not a threat.

[2669] Put it up.

[2670] You don't got to threaten me with that.

[2671] When I was in junior high school, I heard Sugar Hill Gang for the very first time.

[2672] It's a life change.

[2673] And I remember thinking, whoa, this is a new kind of music.

[2674] Yeah.

[2675] This is a new thing.

[2676] Hip hop, a hip -hop, a hip -hop, a hip -hobit, beat don't stop.

[2677] A rock it did the bang jump, boogie.

[2678] Crazy.

[2679] Yeah, I mean, I remember thinking like, wow, this is a new thing.

[2680] Yeah.

[2681] And then when we're on the MC, it was so hard with it with Suck MCs, I was like, yo, what the fuck is this?

[2682] Yeah.

[2683] Because Sugar Hill, I obviously loved that record and, you know, changed the course of history.

[2684] But they were rhyming over the chic instrumental, you know?

[2685] So, but when Suck AMC, it was just those drums, you know, those hard drums.

[2686] And then being from Philly, like, hearing Schooley D and, like, you know, these hard records.

[2687] But, like, first time, like, I rhymed, like, to record something, like, like, 90 -91, you know.

[2688] And it was awful, you know.

[2689] But you just work on your craft and hope that you get to a point where people don't think you're awful.

[2690] When did you start getting paid?

[2691] Let me see.

[2692] So we put out an EP on our own that we pressed up in 96.

[2693] Like where I was like, I'm living off rap.

[2694] Did that what you mean?

[2695] 98.

[2696] 98.

[2697] What kind of jobs do you have before you were doing that?

[2698] I didn't really have jobs.

[2699] I like...

[2700] Just dirtbagged it?

[2701] Yeah, dirtbagged shit.

[2702] Yeah, for a couple years after high school.

[2703] Just some scumbag shit.

[2704] And then the first check came, and I was like, there's no turning back now, man. Right.

[2705] You know what I mean?

[2706] This is the greatest shit ever.

[2707] Money from what you want to do.

[2708] I go by Jordans from rapping?

[2709] What are you talking about?

[2710] Yeah.

[2711] Blew my fucking mind, man. You know, blew my mind.

[2712] like, you know, buying a pair of Jordans with that, with that, it's unreal.

[2713] But, yeah, like, never, if I can die, never having a square gig, I'll consider it a success.

[2714] Yeah, yeah.

[2715] When did you really say to yourself, okay, I'm a legit professional now?

[2716] Like, this is it.

[2717] There's no turning back.

[2718] I'm 100 % now.

[2719] Like, I don't have to worry about this going away.

[2720] I still don't think that way.

[2721] Really?

[2722] it's the fear again it's the fear of like the second i think that it'll go away you know what i mean things get bigger our office gets bigger you know the merge business grows the tours grow and i'm still the fear is is like yo um i'm just lucky i just feel lucky that i'm able to do it so i never want to think that way you know i guess i have to answer the question if someone's a stranger says what do you do you know I have to answer it because it is what I do right and I made a lot of money and I'm good my mom's good because of it you know but I feel like the day that I feel like that that that maybe uh I don't know you know like the philosophy when a when a fighter is thinking of retirement it means they yeah they're already retired in the head I'm sort of applying that logic like the second I say yo it's my thing you know I could play for 75 ,000 kids in a festival and in Switzerland, I still think I'm a piece of garbage.

[2723] You know what I mean?

[2724] And that's sort of like what drive.

[2725] It's sort of a driving thing with me, you know what I mean?

[2726] Whereas, you know, historically, rap has just been so ego -driven.

[2727] I'm the best.

[2728] You know, that's the cornerstone of it when you rhyme.

[2729] But some people carry themselves like that in real life, you know?

[2730] And I don't want to be that, man. You know, it's like I'm so scared of someone ever thinking that humility isn't the most important thing to me and being polite is the most important thing to me you know and it is and and that's not really how people are in this game right you know and and not just a rap just the entertainment business man you'll meet an actor who's a dickhead right yo man you get paid to act you get that's a blessing yeah we're lucky to be here right here I'm not I'm just blessed to be sitting here with you man so why would I why would I be anything but appreciative of that and I don't want to think oh this what I do you know what I just want to like live and be in the moment yeah maybe when it's over i'll tell you yo i was a but if you don't tour if you say you're not going to tour again do you mean you won't tour internationally or you won't tour will you still perform locally like what are you going to do well the the i just landed yesterday from so what we did we started in baltimore baltimore in new york philly boston Vermont and like to sell out your hometown man it's like this many years later you know and to sell out New York and sell out Boston it's this thing that where you go it's still fucking mind -blowing right you know what I mean and it's still people cheering your name it's mind but I just maybe I maybe it's more of like sometimes people need to decompress and maybe I just need to decompress for a little bit and I'll completely change my mind and just not just not tour next year or something, you know, and then maybe I'll be ready or something.

[2731] It's just I love walking out on that stage, man. I love being out here talking to you.

[2732] I love, you know, I was a Be Real yesterday from Cyprus doing his stuff.

[2733] I love all of this.

[2734] Did you do the smokebox?

[2735] I would lose my fucking brain.

[2736] I would lose my fucking the brain.

[2737] What if he hop -boxed you?

[2738] It was just him in there.

[2739] Would that...

[2740] Bro.

[2741] They was, well, I don't have to tell you they were smoking heavy.

[2742] I think I walked out Zonked, just being in the room with them.

[2743] I'm sure.

[2744] Yeah, I was zapped.

[2745] Yeah, he's He's one of those all -day dudes.

[2746] Yes, sir.

[2747] I can't, I can't do that.

[2748] Yes, sir.

[2749] I have too much stuff to do.

[2750] Yeah, sure.

[2751] Of course, we all do.

[2752] He's getting shit done, though, you know?

[2753] Yeah, B -Rail's one of those rare individuals.

[2754] I can stay stoned.

[2755] But, yeah, no, I just, I think maybe some decompression.

[2756] Like, I think, like, in Dante's circles of hell, I think airports might be on there.

[2757] This is loathe them.

[2758] I hate the whole process.

[2759] It's like checking you in, like this, that's like, you know, people, God bless people who have that private jet money that Elon Musk money, you know what I'm saying?

[2760] But that's wasting.

[2761] You're burning off all that cash.

[2762] Sure.

[2763] Like if you're making 100 and spending 40 on the jet, like shit, man. You can spend two.

[2764] Yeah, no, indeed.

[2765] It's just the process, man. It's when you were talking about being alone in hotel rooms, I hate the hurry up and wait of our year.

[2766] of the entertainment industry and that's what it's built around you know it still trips me out when i wake up in the morning i look at the ceiling and i don't remember where i am yo oh oh oh no no no no yes philly no no no no yes yes i'm like yo what country am i in i it's fucked it's weird it's very weird do you think when you take the time off are you going to still write and you're going to still i'm in the studio i write uh i write five days a week and i record every Thursday.

[2767] Every Thursday.

[2768] Every Thursday.

[2769] Really?

[2770] Yeah.

[2771] So you write five days a week.

[2772] Now, what's your process?

[2773] Like, how do you write?

[2774] It has to be super late at night.

[2775] Yeah?

[2776] Yeah.

[2777] I can't, I really can't do anything during the day.

[2778] I'm just nocturnal by nature.

[2779] I just sit there with a beat blasting and just sit there and let it come.

[2780] One bar.

[2781] One bar, one bar, one bar, until it's done.

[2782] So do you have a raw beat with no lyrics?

[2783] Yeah, yeah.

[2784] So who makes a beat for you first?

[2785] I work with a lot of producers, so they'll send them, and when I love something, I'll go, all right, I'm going to work on this tonight, you know?

[2786] So you get the beat, and then you sit and listen to it, and you start thinking about things you would say over it?

[2787] Yeah, exactly.

[2788] Like, the hardest thing, for me is the first line.

[2789] That's the hardest thing to do.

[2790] You say that, authors say the exact same thing.

[2791] Yeah, I'm sure.

[2792] I mean, the first joke's probably hard because everything goes off of that.

[2793] Yeah.

[2794] You know what I mean?

[2795] So it's, that, that line is super hard.

[2796] And then I love being in the studio.

[2797] I love it.

[2798] That's where I would be.

[2799] Unfortunately, because when we were kids, records sold.

[2800] Right.

[2801] So you could be like, I don't want a tour.

[2802] I'm fucking, I'm the, we're the Beatles.

[2803] We sold fucking 100 million wrecks We don't have to tour They just decided they didn't want to tour In like 67 And they never did again You know what I mean But but it's Everything is generated monetarily through touring merch You know what I mean So it's like the grind is there And I don't like to feel like My hand is forced ever Because that that's when it starts That's that square world And I never want to feel like I'm obligated to do something And that could be some of my animosity towards touring Right.

[2804] You know what I mean?

[2805] Like, yo, this is what you do.

[2806] This is what you have to do.

[2807] You know, go out this many days.

[2808] That's this, this.

[2809] Like, it's just, it just fries my brain, man, you know.

[2810] Obviously, all this shit takes a physical toll on you, but it fries my brain where I'm, like, just completely zonked.

[2811] Like, walking through life, I never know, like, I never see anything.

[2812] People are like, how was blah, blah, blah.

[2813] How was the Louvre?

[2814] I'm like, I never saw that shit.

[2815] You know, like, how is the blah, blah, blah.

[2816] You can deal with the same shit, man. It's like, oh, how was about, I never saw shit, man. Nothing.

[2817] Right.

[2818] Ever, nowhere.

[2819] Hotel room, venue, food.

[2820] Hotel room, van, or bus or whatever.

[2821] You know what I mean?

[2822] It's, and repeat.

[2823] It's like rinse repeat, you know, and people, you know, people, like I said, like, I think, just the entertainment business in general, it's, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's, There's a perception that it isn't work because it's not the work they do.

[2824] Yeah.

[2825] Like, try working on a car all day.

[2826] I'm like, try driving 15 hours with someone who smells like balls in a tour van or, you know, like, or try.

[2827] But you'll take it, though, right?

[2828] I mean, you'll take it over a regular job.

[2829] Of course, man. No, when you write, do you write with a pencil and paper?

[2830] Do you write in your head?

[2831] Do you write on a computer?

[2832] How do you write?

[2833] I wrote in a rhyme book.

[2834] just like a spiral rhyme book for all my adult life and then I started not being able to read my handwriting because I write like a graffiti writer and I'd be like, what's this word?

[2835] So now I go, what I do, I go it over my head and when I have enough, when I have enough, I'll type it out, you know, and then like go over my head, go on my head, type it out.

[2836] Now it's like clean and organized, which is not me on any level.

[2837] How long have you been doing it that way?

[2838] Really recent.

[2839] Like how recent?

[2840] Within a year.

[2841] Really?

[2842] Yeah.

[2843] And do you write, like, on Microsoft Word or something?

[2844] Like...

[2845] I don't even know what it is.

[2846] It's just like a note thing on the computer.

[2847] It's called, like, Notepad or something.

[2848] Okay.

[2849] Yeah.

[2850] Like on a Mac?

[2851] No, a PC.

[2852] But when...

[2853] Writing five days a week and going to the...

[2854] And recording every Thursday only started when I stopped the heavy drinking.

[2855] Like, everything changed.

[2856] Yeah.

[2857] Everything changed.

[2858] Because you don't want to be creative when you're hung over.

[2859] you want to sleep you know what i mean so like i i recorded more in the past two years than the previous 10 yeah man yeah i have tons of music recorded you know maybe it's not all great but it's recorded you know and i'm writing i have clarity you know on a lot of levels is there any window that you could see opening up or you could make money from the actual music itself because it this is a i mean the last couple of decades decades through the music business on its head.

[2860] But there's streaming services now, and Jamie was just talking about the thing that Stephen Tyler was talking about.

[2861] It's called M .M. Music Modernization Act.

[2862] Yeah.

[2863] Yeah, that's a thing where they're trying to get these streaming companies.

[2864] Because they're giving you a pittance.

[2865] Well, Pandora, there was a Pandora that just sold for billions of dollars.

[2866] And it's like, what do you do?

[2867] Right.

[2868] That you're worth billions of dollars.

[2869] What you do, you distribute other people's art. art you don't really have anything yeah you don't pay them yeah you don't pay them you make all the money you're talking to say pennies on the dollar wouldn't be enough i'm not exaggerating it's yeah it's not even that no um i'm not sure if either one of you guys saw the tweet uh from um uh crosbie from crosbie stills and ash i didn't see it uh it was like a breakdown of what he got paid from you know how huge those records were or something it was like 50 $5 or something for like 200 million streams.

[2870] And then Peter Frampton responded to him with another screenshot.

[2871] It's like, here's mine.

[2872] And I have one of the biggest records ever, Peter Frampton comes a lot.

[2873] And they were going back and forth.

[2874] And like people in the industry were retweeting it.

[2875] Because, I mean, these are guys who are, A, older and B, richer than we can ever imagine.

[2876] And they, it's important for people like them to speak up.

[2877] Like I was.

[2878] I repeat, the streamers don't pay up.

[2879] for the damned music that we made in all caps don't pay us um this is david crosbie he's got a few tweets that are similar yeah there's one with the actual numbers and that yeah i mean it's it's stunning and i don't understand how they're getting away with it i don't either i don't either and i'm not powerful enough to do that that's why a dude's like him like at one point taylor swift pulled all her shit and i was like that's great because she's huge yeah that's an important statement you know what I mean it's like if if you guys weren't getting paid correctly from a streaming service for your stand -up and someone like Eddie Murphy spoke up that's important yeah a fucking a hack and Schenectady tweeting about it's not gonna help you I won't I won't let them put my podcast on they and they've been trying to do it for years and I'm saying no yeah what do I get out of it right of course well it's just another way for people to get your you know there's a lot of people that are listening like this people are already listening Right.

[2880] I don't want to.

[2881] That shit happens to me. Well, I go, will you do this?

[2882] No, and they're blown away that you say no. And again, that's why I think you're punk rock.

[2883] Whether you do or not, you just say, fuck you.

[2884] Well, I just understand what they're doing.

[2885] They're thieves.

[2886] Yeah.

[2887] And they want to put ads on it.

[2888] And the most recent thing is that they'll give you some money, but like, not compared to what you're making.

[2889] Right.

[2890] And what are you going to do?

[2891] All you have is other people's work.

[2892] Right.

[2893] Other than that, you just have a station.

[2894] I mean, I feel bad for people.

[2895] You've built your own everything.

[2896] You're your own entity.

[2897] I've done the same thing on a smaller level.

[2898] We're outliers, bro.

[2899] Like, some people really need that shit.

[2900] You know what I mean?

[2901] Well, they get stuck in the system and then even worse, they become a part of some sort of a network where they have a bunch of executives telling them what they can't do.

[2902] Sign those major label deals that are, you know, in the videos with the jewelry and shit.

[2903] Like, none of that shit real.

[2904] It's either fake, it's rented Those cars are rented You know what I mean There's dudes still living in the projects And they're in those videos With Lambeaus You know It's like Perceptions become reality Through social media So people think like You know You have a rented car And rented jewelry on That you're worth this And I'm like Yo you don't know the fuckery That label offered them Right He's got a 360 deal They're taking his merch They're taking this That's what's crazy That they take your merch and your ticket sales.

[2905] Yes, that's those 36.

[2906] The music company that doesn't have anything to do with you performing, they take a piece of you performing.

[2907] Yes, yes.

[2908] And these things that, like, things are offered to me. And I'm like, yo, man, I spent my entire life building this and you want a piece of the pie that I baked for no reason.

[2909] Yeah.

[2910] I'll share with anybody, but what's the reason for it?

[2911] Well, you've got to be offering something.

[2912] Bring something to the table.

[2913] They're not offering you anything.

[2914] They're not bringing anything.

[2915] thing to the table.

[2916] What are they saying that we can make you bigger?

[2917] We'll get you on the radio, which nobody listens to anymore?

[2918] What are they saying?

[2919] Right.

[2920] Who listens to the radio?

[2921] Not me. Is there any, what is, is there a big radio station these days that anybody listens to?

[2922] Not that I'm aware of.

[2923] I mean, I know they still exist.

[2924] Like, I know Hot 97's still in New York, but I don't know anyone listens to it.

[2925] But where do kids find out about music now?

[2926] It's got to be through the internet.

[2927] It's, yeah, the interwebs.

[2928] I guess they got, uh, I asked the kid, a young barber was cutting me and he was like what do you do you're a musician you know he's like casually got into it and I was just making conversation I was like how do you listen to music he was like Spotify Apple music and SoundCloud yeah I was like okay I don't use any of the three of them but yeah but it's good to know you know what I mean it's like it's like I listen I have your podcast on like a podcast app on my phone you know what I mean and I'm assuming that's what I mean?

[2929] people do yeah it's a little bit easier to track i suppose but again it's like the the uh peter frampton and david crosbie thing like i said it was some number that's outlandish like 200 million streams or something 50 bucks yeah yeah like how how is that legal criminals how is it legal it shouldn't be they rigged the system they did they have to figure out a way to quantify it the same way record sales would have been like we went to the fucking store when we went to the fucking store when we went went to Tower Records or the mom and pop store or whatever it goes that's it recent numbers per scream Napster was Rhapsody 0 .019 title 0 .025 Apple Music so you get your song played a million times and get less than five dollars seems fair yeah that's what he said that's fucking insane a million streams you get less than five clams man that is insane it's so small number it's so small.

[2930] YouTube, 0 .000 -0 -0 -0 -6 -9.

[2931] What is that?

[2932] What is that?

[2933] What is that?

[2934] That's fucking insane.

[2935] 169 ,000th, 100 ,000th, that's a hard word, it's a hundred thousandths of a dollar.

[2936] I mean, can you even quantify that as money at that point?

[2937] But what, what does anyone do when they, they're, faced with this sort of information like is anything going to change and if it does change what are they going to do double it that's what I mean that's my worry it's still ten bucks that's my worry that it's being brought to people's attention and it might go to you know the big government might get involved and how much is that going to shift right well it seems like the artists can't pull their music the music is owned by the record companies the record companies are going to play it and they're not going to pay them the same they would pay someone who was buying it right i know taylor swift pulled her shit for a minute on some making a stance but however it was rectified she put it back up they gave her money probably i'm sure they gave her money yeah they give people money yeah they're giving people money for podcasts too they give you money for like exclusive use of it for a couple days oh okay like that but like for two days yeah something along those lines or they they want to put their own ads on it right along those lines but people can get your podcast you don't need to do that oh man you're just letting someone make some money off you for no reason absolutely absolutely and what we do it's like we control our shit why would we give that up yeah tell me why that's what they need to tell me why i would give up control of my shit to you yeah you can't right you can't there's no logical explanation unless we're talking fucking money and you all your music yeah yeah see that's nice that's nice and there's not a lot of people that can say that no because you know you know when you sign with a major they own your master's man so it's like you can't do it you You know, if I want to, you know, an album of mine that came out in 2010, say in 2020, I want to do a 10th anniversary edition on blue vinyl and all that kind of cool shit.

[2938] I can.

[2939] I don't have to ask anybody, you know what I mean?

[2940] It's just like, right?

[2941] It's like direct -the -consumer shit is basically what I'm doing.

[2942] It's how my merge companies run, you know?

[2943] I try to do that as much as possible because that DIY aesthetic is important to me. You know what I mean?

[2944] It's, you know, we grew up with people and they seemed untouchable.

[2945] You know, rock star shit, superheroes.

[2946] You know what I mean?

[2947] And I would like to sort of bridge that gap where it's like, no, come up and say what's up, man. You know what I mean?

[2948] Yeah.

[2949] Let's talk.

[2950] How are you?

[2951] You know, what's your name?

[2952] Do you still sell actual physical CDs anymore?

[2953] Yeah, we do.

[2954] Because there's a niche audience, man, that like.

[2955] How many people buy it?

[2956] them is that like it's like well see i press vinyl i press tapes before but tapes just to be just to be cute yeah yeah i like to be cute joseph no uh yeah tapes vinyl cd vinyl sells the most really yeah yeah people love vinyl these days right yeah it's a big big comeback but cds still that they're the most honestly right now today tapes are more popular than CDs.

[2957] Whoa.

[2958] Yeah, it's just like a nostalgia thing, and it'll probably go away.

[2959] Yeah.

[2960] But, like, we discussed not even pressing them.

[2961] Wow.

[2962] Yeah, like, that's how much...

[2963] I did, because I'm old school, but we discussed, like, not doing it.

[2964] But vinyl's still coming in strong.

[2965] Yeah.

[2966] Do you buy into the sound difference?

[2967] I do.

[2968] Yeah.

[2969] Yeah, but I buy into it with...

[2970] First, you have to start at the source.

[2971] Like, if it's recorded amazingly, then I...

[2972] If it sounds shitty...

[2973] it's going to sound shitty.

[2974] But like, well, I'd rather listen to the Beatles on vinyl.

[2975] I'd rather listen to, you know, rather listen to Thin Lizzie on vinyl, metal, stuff like that.

[2976] I mean, a lot of, a lot of hip -hop shit, you know, kids have a mic and a laptop in the bedroom.

[2977] And that's the recording studio.

[2978] Yeah.

[2979] You know, that's not going to make any fucking difference.

[2980] It's going to be what it is, you know what I mean?

[2981] But bands who care, I, it's warmer.

[2982] Like, if I listen to Stevie Wonder Records, they sound warmer.

[2983] Warmer.

[2984] Yeah.

[2985] Yeah.

[2986] I've heard that expression before.

[2987] Yeah, I don't know how really how to articulate it, but in my head I know what it means.

[2988] Just the bass lines and drums, everything sounds warm to me. Can they replicate that?

[2989] Is it possible?

[2990] Some people can.

[2991] With electronics?

[2992] To a degree, you still need to get analog to a degree.

[2993] You know what I mean?

[2994] There's still a few studios in the country that do shit on reel -to -reel.

[2995] Because that sound, you can't.

[2996] Right.

[2997] You can't ever fully replicate it.

[2998] You can get close.

[2999] But you need to go to a reel -to -reel to really get that, you know, sound that we loved.

[3000] Yeah.

[3001] Now, what about, like, Apple music and people buying things on iTunes and things like that?

[3002] People still do that, right?

[3003] Yeah, but that's dropping, too.

[3004] Yeah, it's so...

[3005] Mostly streaming now?

[3006] It's so stream -dominated, you know?

[3007] Because even when people are doing that, like, buying albums on iTunes, buying albums digitally or on Amazon or whatever someone's preference is, it was sweet.

[3008] it was good good money all of that and then the streaming shit like because logically if you're a casual music fan you pay $10 a month for Spotify for every album that's ever been recorded.

[3009] It's like can you really blame the fan?

[3010] You know what I mean?

[3011] And the ways of ingesting music are so different like I loved opening the vinyl I love reading the thank yous right I love the smell of the fucking cassette tape I loved all it was an experience going to the store being on the bus with the headphones on the first time you hear it You know, I can tell you where I was when I bought Nas -O -Matic, where I can tell you all that, that's dead.

[3012] The experience, it's, you know, boom, bang, now I have the album.

[3013] You do a comedy, I got the new Joe Rogan album.

[3014] Right.

[3015] Two seconds with a click.

[3016] That's a weird thing to me. Yeah.

[3017] You know what I mean?

[3018] I guess it's not weird to them, but the - Remember those stores you would go to where there was little stations where you could press a button to listen, the little preview of all these different, and people just stand there all day, listening to music?

[3019] All day.

[3020] get it and if they didn't have them you were buying shit and guessing yeah you know how many bad bad shit I bought just look at a cool album this album covers great yeah I bought you know album like metal albums with a badass cover and the band was just terrible yeah you know what I mean did you see Sugar Man yes how crazy is that movie fucking crazy I don't know what's crazy the story or that he got big in Africa crazy that movie made me cry that movie made me too bad shit crazy but just how insane that this guy went on to become like a laborer for a construction company had no idea that he was a superstar in Africa.

[3021] Insane.

[3022] And then goes there as an older man to a sold -out stadium.

[3023] Yeah.

[3024] And they all know the words.

[3025] Yeah, it's beautiful, man. That is one of the craziest documentaries of all time.

[3026] I agree.

[3027] Searching for Sugar Man. If you haven't seen it, folks.

[3028] Yes.

[3029] You got to see it.

[3030] It's brilliant.

[3031] Well done.

[3032] Yeah, and that's a different era, too.

[3033] You know, that guy gave all his money with?

[3034] I do.

[3035] another insane thing he's the real fucking deal he's no fucking joke man yeah i mean he still lives like he lived when he was a poor construction worker yep whoa elevated level elevated way of thinking man yeah i think he just got so used to being in that space for so long and his fucking music is good it's really good it's really good i think sometimes man like when that's brought on you you're still more comfortable in that other way you know some people don't want to they're not comfortable embracing that yeah you know whether it's wealth or fame or a mixture of both i i just think he was like i'm good i'm content and there's people with billions that aren't content what's more there's nothing more important to being good with yourself and he seems good with himself yeah that is one of the scarier things is someone who's insanely successful but never satisfied i think a lot of people are like That's one of the things that I was saying about Trump, like, if you are 70 years old and you have billions of dollars, why are you still working?

[3036] Yes.

[3037] What do you, do you think something's going to change and you're going to live forever?

[3038] Right.

[3039] Do you have no perception that you literally are on the last finger full of grains in your hourglass?

[3040] It's all you got left.

[3041] And you're not spending it on a yacht in Acapulco, getting your dick sucked to big pimping in the background.

[3042] Yeah, like, what's the mechanism in his head that's driving this?

[3043] I don't get it.

[3044] I don't get it.

[3045] I think about that about Warren Buffett.

[3046] Yeah, right.

[3047] It keeps you going.

[3048] He's like 409 years old.

[3049] I don't even know how much money.

[3050] Well, he's a real weird one because he still lives in fucking the middle of nowhere.

[3051] Yeah, he's a strange bird.

[3052] In a regular house.

[3053] Yeah, and his suits always look like they were just pulled off the rack and weren't tailored.

[3054] Yeah.

[3055] He goes to Terrence Crawford fights, though.

[3056] Always.

[3057] He's always there He was hanging out with Floyd one night It was funny Yeah he's his intro He reps Nebraska Yeah Yeah He's an interesting guy It's super interesting Yeah Yeah But listen man We just did three hours Believe it not Time flies My pleasure brother I'm glad we finally Got a chance to do this Me too man It means a lot I've been a big fan For a very long time Me too man Tell people How they can find you On Twitter Instagram Boxcutter Pazzy on Instagram What is Twitter It's a Vinny underscore Paz And website JMT store .com Jedi Mind Tricks Everything's on there Thank you brother It was awesome Thank you so much I appreciate you man See ya What's the matter