#315 - Jimmy Smith

[0] The Joe Rogan, experience.

[1] Train by day, Joe Rogan, podcast by night, all day.

[2] Powerful Jimmy Smith.

[3] Whoa, abruptly, you got crazy today.

[4] The super AIDS he caught in Vegas this weekend.

[5] It's affecting his mind.

[6] It's already affecting his work performance.

[7] Settle.

[8] There's maybe how many of us on the planet Earth, dudes who do what we do.

[9] We were saying five if you're generous.

[10] Five or six if you're generous.

[11] If you're generous.

[12] If you're generous.

[13] Yeah, there's like, you, me, um, Chivalo.

[14] Yeah, of course, Morrow, Pat Militich.

[15] Yeah.

[16] This is a very small, I mean, Frank, Frank Shamrock, uh, it's like how many guys, Stefan Bonner does it, he does it well, you know, I, Kenny does a good job.

[17] It's not that many people doing that.

[18] It's a strange gig, isn't it?

[19] It's weird, and I'm sure you get the same thing, what I try and tell a lot of people.

[20] I had a lot of fighters with outstanding careers.

[21] We're seeing the retirement of the second generation of the May, not.

[22] not the founders in a hoist and you know that second generation is starting to break down and retire and i've had guys literally coming up to me going how did you get this gig right because if you think about it yeah how the fuck did we get this job in a sense you know it's crazy but there are very few that actually do it yeah there's this there's so few for folks who don't know jimmy does the commentary for bellator which is uh the second biggest promotion in the united States and they're they're on uh spike tv now they've actually like taken the position that the ufc had and uh just had the first fight so you've been around like a long ass time man you've been doing commentary like for for belator for how long now belator three and one for six years have been doing this i did m1 before before belator so i did three years of commentary nobody was listening to to get good at it yeah it far i got on belator it was cool that you had a little bit of experience doing television stuff though but you were already loose enough like you're you're you That's like a big thing for guys is like just figuring out how to loosen up so they can explain themselves.

[23] It's a weird gig because the only one who's going to be able to do it is it's not going to be possible unless you train.

[24] You're not going to be able to see things.

[25] You'll sound like a douche too.

[26] The only thing that really personally bugs me about commentary is when people question somebody and they haven't been there.

[27] when it's when it's you know i got a lot of people question somebody's heart or they get hit they go down from a body shot you want to hit in the liver you go down and and if you've trained if you sparred you know that yeah and people that don't and and i think are hard on fighters and question their heart or question their desire when they haven't been there and gone through that that bugs me yeah you know what that does bug me that bugs me what else bugs me is people saying that they know who's going to win that bugs me i mean i'll talk shit on occasion if like I see a matchup and I go oh there's no fucking way like this is this is a crazy matchup like when Seth Petruzelli fought Kimbo I made a video of it I was in a green room in Atlanta and we were about to watch the fight and I thought it was Ken Shamrock and literally right before the fight I got off stage I'm like it's about to happen right now and they go Ken Shamrock's out I go he's out I go who's fighting and they go Seth Petruzelli go oh no Seth Petruzelli is legit and people in the know knew how that fight was going to go.

[28] Yeah, but the people that fucking, the crazy people over at CBS who said yes to that, or whatever, was it CBS?

[29] It was CBS at the time, I believe.

[30] Like, who, do you not have anybody that knows MMA?

[31] That's a mismatch.

[32] That's a gross mismatch.

[33] So, you and I know the disconnect between the people that put MMA on TV and the people that know MMA is huge.

[34] It can be.

[35] It can be.

[36] It can be huge.

[37] Network people, the people that put MMA on TV, yeah.

[38] Don't always know MMA and it crops up a lot, man. Well, it's a It's a weird thing because you and I, essentially, we sort of established positions in the sport doing commentary, like, as it grew, and it became this thing that it is now, while, you know, when we both started out, I mean, you go back to six years ago, it was not nearly as big as it is now.

[39] It's banana's how big it is now.

[40] And it sort of happened, I guess, it was really, if you want to break it down, it actually happened around eight years ago, right?

[41] Ultimate Fighter, 2004.

[42] It was really the biggie eight years ago.

[43] Yeah, was it 2004 or 2005?

[44] whatever it is that area in that area from there that started this but like the the level that it's out right now like the fame of a GSP or an Anderson silver or John Jones like that's they're right up there with basically any athlete in pro sports yeah the top level guys like they're talked about on a you know like in bars and the same way people talk about plays and games they talk about GSP you know landing a giant knee or something like that it's it's it's interesting how this has happened and While it's happened, I mean, we essentially just had to figure our own way through it, you know, and learning, like, what's the best rules and seeing the rules change and things.

[45] Like, when I first started, it was bare knuckle and you can wear shoes.

[46] That was UFC 12.

[47] That was the first UFC I ever did commentary on.

[48] I did post -fight interviews, rather.

[49] And so to see it from there go to where it is now with fly weights and bantoms and feathers and lightweights.

[50] I mean, there's a lot of lightweight guys now.

[51] The first time I fought was at a thing called neutral grounds in San Pedro, which was neutral grounds?

[52] Neutral grounds.

[53] Is that pancreation?

[54] Was that like slap fighting?

[55] It was kind of pancreas.

[56] It was kind of amateur, but not real.

[57] And this is back in the day when it wasn't sanctioned in California.

[58] They literally had everybody line up, and I was next to this dude, and they went, you guys, Sam's like fighting each other.

[59] We didn't weigh in nothing.

[60] And we went in and we fought.

[61] That was, that was how it worked back there.

[62] They did use open hands, right?

[63] Right, because you weren't, to the face, yeah, open hands.

[64] We had no gloves on, no nothing.

[65] This is how crazy MMA used to be, folks.

[66] It was really nuts.

[67] And there's a bunch of weird rules in MMA that there's just total ignorance and from just misconceptions.

[68] But one of them is that.

[69] One of them is the downward elbow.

[70] The downward elbow is a crazy one.

[71] It makes no sense.

[72] The reason why the 12 to 6 elbow is illegal, Big John McCarthy told me this, that when they were describing the martial arts techniques to the athletic commissions, the guy was one of the guys who worked for the letter commission said you can't have them do that thing with their elbows because i've seen that on tv and they can break boards by golly what would it do to a person's skull like this guy thought for some reason that this was in any way should perform as bad as anderson sylva kneeing you in the head makes no sense at all makes no sense at all it's legitimately ridiculous yeah but it's a rule that's in place like strictly because of ignorance and there was so many of of those in the beginning.

[73] Nobody knew what the right thing to do was.

[74] They were like, well, you can't have MMA.

[75] And they're like, okay, well, when if we wrestle and slap fight?

[76] I'm like, okay.

[77] That makes no sense at all, but we're going to go with it.

[78] That was what it was for a while.

[79] You would have pancreation fights.

[80] In pancreation fights, they would pull their hands back.

[81] It was real.

[82] Boss Rutin was the only dude who ever figured out how to deliver ridiculous hands.

[83] Yeah, he could knock out one of those, yeah.

[84] Because Boss has this crazy anatomy, first of all, he's these giant ass long hands.

[85] And he figured out how to pull his hands way back so that it's like his fingers were almost like facing towards him.

[86] So it's like a punch.

[87] He's punching you with his palm.

[88] You're not catching any of the fingers.

[89] Nothing's absorbing.

[90] The idea I guess of a slap being easier is that your fingers are absorbing some of the impact and your hand is moving back, which takes away that.

[91] But Boss is hitting you with this.

[92] He's like straight punching you with his palms.

[93] Do you remember the exchange when Frank Schneermock went for a leg lock on him and Boss is just, And Frank smiling at him and laughing his shit.

[94] There's a problem with that.

[95] There's a problem with your rule system when that's happening.

[96] Yeah, that was ridiculous.

[97] That was ridiculous.

[98] It was funny, though.

[99] Frank Shermark was funny than that fight.

[100] It developed, and I say this all the time, M .M .A. now, it developed from, for good or for bad, from a sport of martial artist to a sport of athletes.

[101] Yeah.

[102] Now it's a sport of athletes that don't necessarily, like, we were talking right before the podcast about Rohm McDonnell, what a badass he is.

[103] The guy started MMA at 14.

[104] He didn't grow up doing killed.

[105] He didn't, you know, he doesn't come from martial artist background who said, oh, I'll turn this into MMA.

[106] These guys just study MMA.

[107] They approach it like, like you're saying, the NFL or like the NBA or any other big time sport, and that's come with advantages and disadvantages.

[108] Well, they're training like professional athletes right now, and there is a massive difference in your ability to move, your ability to withstand shots, the ability to keep your energy levels up.

[109] When you're training in the gym, and, you know, especially if you're doing, just only kickboxing or only grappling you can get in tremendous shape but in this day and age it seems like to beat a gsp to beat like the highest of highest levels competitors you got to be both you got to be both a martial artist is very technical and you also have to put the fucking time in that you don't want to put into that strength and conditioning you got to do it i know you nobody wants to nobody wants to nobody wants to do battle ropes you don't want to fucking hurl ropes until your body feels like it's going to explode but if you don't do it there could be just that little less juice that you don't have in the third and it causes you to either get caught or it causes your opponent to get away from something where you you caught them in something but you just you can't squeeze it and he gets out of it you're like fuck the only thing the only time that isn't wasted in training is cardio training let's say you spend all your time on boxing yeah all your time on boxing the guys are better boxing you fuck yeah you spent that time inappropriately you have X number of hours in the gym.

[110] There's no negative to being in better shape than the other guy.

[111] Yeah.

[112] There's no negative.

[113] We were just talking about it.

[114] There's no negative to being in better shape than you.

[115] You can beat guys that are better than you if you can wear them out.

[116] That happens all the time.

[117] It's happened to me. I've had guys that I usually tap like crazy.

[118] Then I'll go in the gym and I'll be out of shape and I'll get dominated.

[119] You know, I'll get mounted.

[120] It's like, motherfucker.

[121] It's like I'm not in shape for it.

[122] And if you're not in shape, it's just it's a fact that you're not going to be able to defend.

[123] You're not going to be able to execute to your fullest of abilities.

[124] The hardest part is I'm on the road 12 weeks in a row because I have 12 weeks season.

[125] So I'm literally gone.

[126] I fly out tomorrow.

[127] I don't get back to Friday morning.

[128] So I'm really home on the weekends.

[129] That's it.

[130] Do you train when you're when you're on the road?

[131] That's the problem is, you know, I'm working out.

[132] Pitbull Brothers in the elevator.

[133] They turn to their translator and go, Pippel wants to know if you want to roll with him.

[134] All right, sure.

[135] Go to my gym.

[136] I go to my room.

[137] I change that.

[138] I go and I train with Pipple brother for two hours.

[139] I'm not in that kind of shape, man. That guy has a fight the next day.

[140] He's peeking.

[141] He's like, Daniel Gracie.

[142] was like hey jimmy want to roll with me and i'm like all right you know but you're not in that kind of shape right you know you're in there training with animals when i go home for four days come home i just don't have the time you know back when i was finding i was six -day -a -week guy and that's where these guys are yeah and it's like i'm fighting with guys you know world champs and i'm like oh do you people kind of don't understand like the level of conditioning that's required to compete in m -ma it's it's so taken for granted unfortunately it's like the aspect of the sport that has to do with what kind of shape you're in is so gigantic and there's levels and some guys like a frankie edgar they never let the cardio drop off and every time you see them you can tell they've been pushing it they've been pushing it and you build a base you get like a nick dyes type base like nick ds has a such a strong cardio base because he's constantly swimming constantly biking constantly running his cardio is sensational, and you can't keep up.

[143] You can't.

[144] He will drown you.

[145] If you get in a fight like that with Nick Diaz, like one of those, like who can keep up this pace fight, he's going to go 60 % on you, maybe 70%, and then you're going to be able to keep up.

[146] You know, you're going to try to mix it in with 100%, but his chin's made out of iron.

[147] He's a volume puncher.

[148] Yeah.

[149] Yeah.

[150] He'll just, it'll just, there's a box.

[151] Paul Williams for the, for the boxing fans out there.

[152] He was a great box that recently got paralyzed in an accident, but he'd throw 150 punches around.

[153] Yeah.

[154] Just a hundred.

[155] It's just, that's Nick Diaz.

[156] He just throws so many punches.

[157] So, the guy just won't go away.

[158] So hard.

[159] Just will not go away.

[160] And his chin is iron, you know.

[161] It allows him.

[162] He's very relaxed.

[163] So he rolls with shit good.

[164] He's never committing to a punch.

[165] You never catch him committing on you.

[166] Right, right, right, right.

[167] You never get that big counterpunch because he's, right.

[168] He's slapping you.

[169] That's such an important point.

[170] He's not a important point.

[171] He's not a important point.

[172] He can't catch him with a counter shot.

[173] There's a dude named Michael Jai White, who's a very, very smart dude.

[174] And a great martial artist as well.

[175] A lot of people don't know.

[176] He's seen him in movies.

[177] You think he's not like a real martial artist.

[178] No, he's totally legit.

[179] He's the one the Joker cut a new mouth in.

[180] Yeah.

[181] He played Tyson in the Tyson documentary.

[182] But my point is he was explaining, like, dude is a lifelong martial artist.

[183] And he was explaining to Kimbo.

[184] Him and Kimbo were talking about throwing jabs and throwing punches from just a relaxed position.

[185] And that when someone does that, you don't even see it coming.

[186] It just lands.

[187] And they were like going over this.

[188] like something that's something that a lot of people don't realize when you like tense up and you're like telegraphed you're gonna your chances of hitting the guy are significantly lower than if you just hit him you just hit him like that a guy like nick dyes it's not straining it's not full blast it's mechanical it's like tap tap tap pat pat pat pat it's this mechanical and you're starting to see stars and then you'll step back and like i'm gonna blast this dude to get him off me no you're not no you're not no you're going to try to but then you're going to wear yourself out with that big explosion that you can't keep up with, and he's going to keep 60 % of you, pat, pap, pap, pap.

[189] What people don't understand is there's X amount of training sessions you can go through in your career.

[190] There are X amount of hours you can train.

[191] There are X amount of punches you can throw.

[192] How you spend that energy defines how you are as a fighter.

[193] Nick Diaz is not a knockout puncher, never been a knockout puncher.

[194] He throws so many that you're eventually done.

[195] He'll wear him to fuck done.

[196] He dropped Robbie Lawler.

[197] He dropped Robbillard with a jab.

[198] He touches you on the chin.

[199] It was like a fadeaway hook, right?

[200] It was a fadeaway jab that Robbie Lawler stepped right into because that frustration.

[201] That's what he does to you.

[202] He unloads until you're just like, you get frustrated.

[203] You do something stupid, and that's when he takes you out.

[204] That fight, too, was one of the classic shit -talking fights.

[205] Oh, that was awesome.

[206] Because that was one of the first times I'd never see Nick get.

[207] He got into the Octagon, and as he got into the Octagon, he looks over at Robbie Law and he's got his arms out.

[208] He goes, Stockton, motherfucker.

[209] And he starts pacing back and forth.

[210] And you can see Robbie Law is like, what is going on here?

[211] Like Nick Diaz, like, claiming the 209 and walking out with his arms out.

[212] And then he proceeded to just talk mad shit through the whole fight.

[213] And you can tell Robbie Lara was like, what?

[214] It's, you know what's funny?

[215] Sherdog called me to break down the last, the Diaz -Bin -Henderson fight, his brother, Nate, took similar to fighting style, of course.

[216] And he said, what do you think of all that Nate Diaz come get me?

[217] You know, all the mugging and throwing the hands up and the shit talking, their footwork isn't great.

[218] and what it did is he brings you into that zone with the muggin and the come on in and the thing is is that when you saw that same problem with Nick against Carlos Condit if you don't engage him his footwork isn't great he's a little flat foot and he throws his punches and a lot of that mugging and come on come get me is come into my range come into my kind of fight you know what I mean and that's it's very calculated what did Robbie do he stepped in a really a jab hook not a super hard punch but stepped right do it, boom, and went face down on the mat.

[219] That's part of his strategy.

[220] Interesting about the Carole's Condit fight is like Carl's Condit fought very similar to the way he throws his techniques, but he just did it moving away and picked his own spots.

[221] Picked his own spots and moved away.

[222] But like when he landed that head kick, you could tell just by the way he landed that.

[223] That is not a full blast head kick.

[224] He's just throwing it up there quick to land it just because he can if he does it that way.

[225] He really took a page out of Nick's book in that sense.

[226] I totally think he did.

[227] I totally think he did.

[228] I think a lot of guys, I mean, you think you have to to deal with that style because the fucking guy doesn't get tired.

[229] It doesn't get tired, and he takes a tremendous shot.

[230] That's a bad combination.

[231] You know, like K .J. Nunes was able to cut him.

[232] That was, you know, he was successful in that way.

[233] But, you know, but then Nick outboxed him in the rematch, you know.

[234] The only one to really outbox him, Joe Riggs, Diesel Riggs, outboss him.

[235] Landed a little bit harder.

[236] Just, I think, landed with a little more force.

[237] Remember, he won a decision against Nick in the U .S. What about Jeremy Jackson, the earliest days of this.

[238] way back in the day.

[239] Jeremy Jackson is a wasted talent, man. Jeremy Jackson was a real wasted talent.

[240] Unfortunately, that kid had whatever issues, you know, he got kicked off of the ultimate fighter, I believe.

[241] Left the set.

[242] And he's got some really big legal problems now.

[243] He's in prison.

[244] It doesn't get a lot bigger than doing life.

[245] I don't know what he did.

[246] I don't know what the crime was, what he was accused of, and whether or not he actually did it.

[247] But physically, that dude, he was like, I think, to this day, is he all.

[248] only guy to stop Nick Diaz.

[249] Besides the KJ.

[250] Noon cut, which is just the doctor saying the cut's too bad.

[251] It wasn't like that he was in danger.

[252] It was just he couldn't see.

[253] Blood was pouring in his eyes.

[254] And it just looks really grisly.

[255] But Jeremy Jackson stopped him, like, legitimate.

[256] And Nick was really young at the time.

[257] It was, you know, I think he was only 18.

[258] Yeah, it was a right hand over the jab.

[259] He had that low jab.

[260] Yeah.

[261] And he hadn't quite learned to keep that hand up and volume punch cuts.

[262] He was coming in, ate a right hand over the top and just stunned him.

[263] was it he had some hands man he did he had some hands where there wasn't there wasn't that much in the ufc in terms of like he was like he had like jens pulver type knockout power yeah you know it was uh sad to see that guy it's like he came along in mama just a little too early and to have the mate the endurance to get from the uh the nick d as you know 18 year old stage where manta was then to get to be like a pro today a few few guys nobody few guys josh baron There's a few guys.

[264] Josh is a rare, rare example of a guy who's been in the game a long fucking time and still competes at the top level.

[265] The thing that, you know, Rob Laude, another one, 19 to 29, you know, the thing is, is that you have to be open to the kind of changes that destroy athletes.

[266] You have to be open to, I mean, Eminem past six years has gone, you know, from three to ten as far as the talent level and the competitiveness of it.

[267] And to stay in the mix even, to stay in the discussion that long is unbelievable.

[268] You have to make the kind of cardio commitments and training commitments that a lot of people with that, I would say in the beginning martial arts mentality of this is the way I do things, didn't make it.

[269] They didn't make that transition.

[270] And a few great athletes did.

[271] That's why they're still around.

[272] Yeah, it's a weird time to see those guys that didn't quite come along at the right time.

[273] You only have a certain amount of time that you can go balls out.

[274] in MMA and it varies depending upon your style and varies depending upon grappling I think a lot of it really saves a lot of guys like Randy you know Randy was able to continue his career like way longer than he probably would have if he was a pure striker you know it's the fact that he was able even though he took some big shots in some of the fights he was able to close the distance a lot of the time he's able to control guys up against the cage a lot of the time and that minimized like a lot of damage that he could have taken it allowed him to extend his career with, you know, just with intelligence.

[275] Look at this physical gifts that go first.

[276] Yeah.

[277] Speed, timing, immediately to gauge a shot.

[278] Roy Jones Jr. went off a damn cliff.

[279] Yeah, it's crazy.

[280] Because once you lose that, it doesn't come back.

[281] Well, I think with Roy Jones Jr., you also have to consider neurological damage.

[282] Oh, severely, severely.

[283] And I hate saying that, but if you want to be a realist, you have to look at the Glenn Johnson fight where he was completely out cold and the fact that it was shortly after the Tarver fight.

[284] That you got cleaned.

[285] You know what guy would ruined him, man, when he went down and weight.

[286] Cutting weight from the Ruiz fight?

[287] Back to light heavyweight killing.

[288] A lot of folks don't know.

[289] He won the heavyweight title.

[290] He fought John Ruiz and a boxed his fucking face off.

[291] It was beautiful.

[292] It was a beautiful fight.

[293] I mean, talking about a guy who won its first title at 168, and all of a sudden he's fighting as a heavyway and fighting great.

[294] And there's also, you got to question what the fuck he took to get to be a heavyway.

[295] And when you get off that shit, the reality is...

[296] Stuntz your body.

[297] It stuns your body, your testicle stop producing testosterone, and his body looked way smoother in the Tarver fight than we had ever seen him before.

[298] He looked like depleted.

[299] He didn't look good.

[300] And he was really weak from that weight cut.

[301] The great thing about sports, MMA, any sport, is that you see people that are doing things that seem beyond the physical limits.

[302] That's what sports is all about.

[303] Your body will pay you back.

[304] You cannot keep, you know, you cannot keep pushing that envelope.

[305] And, you know, the fighters that do that we see pushing them up all the time, there's a price to pay.

[306] Your body will come back at you.

[307] And that's just a human fact of life.

[308] And as commentators, we see so many fighters in so many various stages of their careers.

[309] And we kind of see the long term in a way a lot of other people don't.

[310] Because once somebody gets off a fan's radar, they're still on our radar.

[311] They have to be.

[312] That's our job.

[313] Yeah, like Pedro Hizzo, for example.

[314] Pedro Hizzo, perfect example.

[315] Okay.

[316] We saw him from knocking out Josh Barnett, which, by the way new mma fans who haven't seen that fight get it on youtube watch that fight when he knocked out josh barnett amazing the first time everybody knows i get a boner to the end of his career everybody knows i get a boner for leg kicks but that guy i've never been like i've never felt pain through another guy feeling pain the way you do when pedro his old leg kick somebody because your whole body like tightens up like you hear that thud you go oh my god he kicks so fucking hard the hardest leg kicks i've ever seen in emmy M .A. Randy Couture, he had him limping.

[317] Randy Couture was in rehab for six months.

[318] For six months, he had to rehabilitate his leg.

[319] He rehabbed leg -kicked injuries for six fucking months.

[320] That's how hard Pedro Hizzo fucks your legs up.

[321] Great fight.

[322] And he creates these, like, weird welts.

[323] Like, for the rest of your life, you're going to have these weird, like, vein welts, where your veins, like, you ever seen, like, Randy has those?

[324] And Kevin Randleman has those?

[325] A lot of moitai guys get those too.

[326] Those weird, that's from like just severe punishment over and over again to your leg.

[327] You develop these weird, funky beans start giving out from getting hit over me. Oh, Jesus.

[328] I used to train a place called North Hollywood Muay Thai, which was where Malapet and guys like that would train.

[329] It was his old Thai gym, all the Thai guys there.

[330] It was amazing training.

[331] Yeah, all the trainers walked around like that.

[332] And they had their shins were like steel.

[333] I mean, they were literally like iron.

[334] They don't feel their shins anymore because you hit the skin so much.

[335] it becomes like a knuckle it's like it's weird like those those guys have been doing it their whole life they literally don't feel shit like regularly people will kick ropes that they wrap around like a pole they just thud their leg into the rope over and over again just to deaden it so that becomes like a weapon and that shit is slamming into the meat of your fucking thigh oh the thing is and i tell marshal people into you know various combat sports i go mMA is like i call the dark side of martial arts or combat sports quick easier more seductive those guys have more in Thailand 200 fights yeah you have your first 100 fights for anybody knows who you are it's dead serious 100 100 200 fights okay sanchise star king stars like 240 fights 30 loss where the hell it is and people that don't understand the culture would never be able to wrap their head around the way they do it's they fight at a very young age and they take on the last name of their gym it's almost like a slavery sort of a situation like they own you bocal had big problems with his gym yeah I understood he recently left, right?

[336] And isn't that, is that the, is Parpromet his name or is it, I think it was his gym's name?

[337] That's the gym's name.

[338] And Buickau is his actual name.

[339] His actual name.

[340] If I'm not mistaken.

[341] Yeah, they take on the, and it's a weird thing, but those guys, they take the first round off, essentially.

[342] First and fifth.

[343] And the fifth as well.

[344] Yeah, if you go to Thailand.

[345] The first round, I saw a great fight.

[346] It wasn't great.

[347] It was fun.

[348] In Thailand, a turn.

[349] Turkish dude was fighting a Thai guy, and it was like 160, which is like heavyweight in Thailand.

[350] And the first round, the Thai guy's just feeling him out, not really throwing anything.

[351] And the Turkish guy's going, this guy's scared or something, he thought he was scared.

[352] And it kind of went after him.

[353] The Thai guy was defending, whatever, and he thought he was kicking ass.

[354] Second round, the Thai guy opened up on him, crushed his leg.

[355] They stopped the fight, the second round.

[356] They take the first round off.

[357] They take the first round off.

[358] They fight rounds two, three, and four.

[359] And then the fifth round, they take off because they know who won already.

[360] And I was asking my instructor, go, why are they just walking around?

[361] They go, well, they already know who won, and they fight next week.

[362] He goes, he fight next week.

[363] So it's like, okay, you win.

[364] Wow.

[365] It was weird.

[366] As an American, our mentality is, you know, last round, fuck it, I'm behind, you go crazy.

[367] Yeah.

[368] They don't really do that.

[369] They fight rounds two, three, and four.

[370] And then fifth round, they take off because he already won.

[371] I got a fight in ten days.

[372] When your career is 250 fights, one loss, then you know, a whole lot.

[373] It's so fascinating that literally one style figured out how, like, what is the most effective?

[374] What is the most economic use of your physical tools when it comes to striking?

[375] this one group of people in this one small chain of islands.

[376] It was Thailand's a couple islands, right?

[377] Yeah, yeah, if you consider Pouquet Island apartment, yeah.

[378] These motherfuckers figured out how to do it.

[379] Kick the shit out of your legs.

[380] Elbow you in the face, flying knees.

[381] And it's like, man, you know, if you don't know that stuff, all the other stuff becomes invalid when it comes to stand -up.

[382] You need all the other stuff, but if you don't understand those leg kicks, if you don't know how to check them, especially if you get a Pedro -Hizzo -type dude hitting you, You don't, there's guys that can hit you over and over again in the legs and you can take it and you can have, you know, they can hit you like 20 times and you'll still be moving around at the end of the fight.

[383] But then this Pedro Hizzo, who is a couple of those, you hear that, you hear that meat cutting shin just dig into the dude's thigh and you see the look at his eyes and you go, oh Lord, you ain't got so many of those, dude.

[384] The misery of fighting a guy like that, which I had to do in Thailand a couple times, is it doesn't knock you out.

[385] please knock me out i can go down on the fight so you're standing there and it you either quit or you keep going you that's it that's your choice when a guy kicks you like that is i can either quit because this sucks or i can keep going it's not like a knockout where you're like bang you're on the canvas and it's over have you ever been stopped from leg kicks never never never it sucks i mean i've had trouble walking the next day but i never quit because of it some dudes could hit you so fucking oh god it's horrible oh it's horrible and it's such an easy it's like an economic movement you know the movement of like the tie leg kick it's not something that requires like a great amount of strength like a wheel kick or a spinning back kick it doesn't require a lot of dexterity it's natural for the average human being that's one of the cool things about it it's like if you understand the technique involved in moitai moitai is surprisingly technical yeah and you can see a lot of guys who are not athletic specimens but they excel at it because their technique is so good they know what to do when this happens they know what to do what that happens they've gone through it so many times in the gym they throw that left hook if you're right legs there that right leg kicks common and then the jabs falling behind it and these combinations classic combinations they start to get through so even like a guy who's more athletic can't fuck with a guy who's more technical in Muay more so I think even than boxing going boxing when you shut it down to just two things left hand right hand and all the combinations you could it's that man a super athletic guy like a roy Jones junior is always going to beat a slow cumbersome guy.

[386] The thing about a tie kick, and I've been hit with every kind of kick doing fight quest and stuff like that, it's not hard to see.

[387] They're only really three targets.

[388] They hit your leg, they hit your ribs, or they hit your head.

[389] But it doesn't matter.

[390] If you get something there, all right, I see him hit for my ribs and you block it.

[391] They don't care.

[392] They'll throw one at your elbow.

[393] I saw Andy Sauer fight Yultzen Clyde Fairtex.

[394] You know anything about Muay.

[395] That's an amazing matchup.

[396] By the end, Andy Sauer's arm was like bright purple and all swollen because he kept Block them.

[397] You're out of Claibwood.

[398] Okay, keep blocking it.

[399] They'll throw it your elbow.

[400] They'll throw it at your shin.

[401] They don't care.

[402] When you have a guy who hits really hard and you hold the pads for them, how much it hurts.

[403] Oh, that sucks.

[404] That shit hurts.

[405] Imagine hitting the outside meaty soft part of your arm with no pads.

[406] You know, a guy like Peter Ertz, how many of those are you going to take?

[407] You're going to take three?

[408] You're going to take four and then you're going to want to cry for a month.

[409] Yeah.

[410] And your whole body's going to be all fucked up.

[411] You just can't take those.

[412] It's not a sport where you can say, I'm going to train really hard and be okay tomorrow You don't You just have to I've done it in Holland I've done in Thailand It was like It sucked You just have to know That this is what I'm going to go through Jerome Labaner One of the greatest of all time I never won a K1 championship But he was on his way And Nesto who's LeBanner was winning a fight And Ernesto who's kept kicking his fucking arm Just kicked him in the arm until his arm broke And then you see LeBanner Go down He tried to get back up He tried to get back And then who's kicked him Right in the same fucking spot again Like bitch sorry, slam, same right into that broken arm.

[413] He lost a fight from broken arm.

[414] I mean, at the highest level of the game.

[415] So that's, you have to always be worried about taking those shots from a power kicker.

[416] In terms of MMA, the mentality is you can go through a wrestling tournament and probably be okay at the end.

[417] If someone said, if they went, hey, Joe Rogan and Jimmy Smith, you guys are going to grapple each other for an hour.

[418] We could do it.

[419] Yeah, we could do it.

[420] We can do it, fine.

[421] You know, whether I'm in shape or not.

[422] Yeah, we're not in shape.

[423] We'll do it anyway.

[424] Yeah, you can take breaks.

[425] You've survived.

[426] Muay Thai for an hour?

[427] No. Is hell.

[428] And it's that mentality of you have to learn to get through that kind of shit to be a good mixed martial artist.

[429] And a lot of guys can't do it.

[430] And that's the stopping point for a lot of guys.

[431] And the elbows are just starting to make their way over.

[432] The really good elbow specialists are just start.

[433] Like, Anderson has always been a master.

[434] Yeah.

[435] Especially in the clinch.

[436] He's a master, the dirty boxing elbow.

[437] Like he'll pull you aside with one hand.

[438] Anderson is so surprisingly physically strong.

[439] And we saw that in, like, the Rich Franklin fight.

[440] Rich Franklin's a fucking stud, you know.

[441] And then Anderson got that plum on him.

[442] It just started manipulating his neck and driving those knees in.

[443] You're like, he's fucking strong.

[444] And the technique is perfect.

[445] His positioning of you is perfect every time.

[446] He knows what he's doing.

[447] And he would land, like, a lot of Muay Thai techniques.

[448] But as far as, like, the high -end athletes, you know, they all, I'm sure, capable of throwing it, but who's been, like, super successful with standing elbows?

[449] There's only, like, a few guys.

[450] David Loazzo was good back in the day.

[451] Yeah, LeWazzo, especially on the ground.

[452] He was known for that.

[453] Yeah, he would slice you apart.

[454] Yeah, because he would let them fly.

[455] He would have like these fucking really wide elbows when he would come in.

[456] I mean, he was throwing torque into that.

[457] He did a lot of spinning techniques, too.

[458] That famous knockout of Charles McCarthy with a spinning back kick.

[459] He was one of the first.

[460] Lozzo was one of the first guys to drop a guy with a spinning back kick.

[461] That's way before, you know, Dennis Siever.

[462] He's become like sort of the specialist for it now.

[463] know it's uh it's it's interesting to have seen that man to see that this this sort of interesting progression of techniques and they're like the fact that front kicks to the face have just started knocking people out and like was it 2011 then you knocked v tore out like how did it make it to 2011 that doesn't even make it such a good technique to learn they're almost you know the pendulum swings around in mb it always has and and a lot of those if you want to say it traditional martial arts techniques we didn't see for a while are starting to make A comeback in MMA, partly because of Anderson -Silve and stuff like that.

[464] Yeah, I mean, he's making them, how it can be effective in small doses.

[465] Yeah.

[466] Have it in your back pocket for when you need it.

[467] It's real effective.

[468] Well, the whole key is they only work if you have all the other stuff.

[469] Yeah.

[470] The problem is most of the, like, Taekwondo guys, they don't have all the other stuff.

[471] They don't have, they don't know what leg kicks are, or they don't get, they're not used to them.

[472] They don't know how to sprawl.

[473] They don't know how to grapple.

[474] So those techniques are never going to work.

[475] You're not going to get them off.

[476] Because the guy's going to grab you and he's going to take you down.

[477] but if you know all the other shit you know how to sprawl oh yeah yeah i wrestled in college oh okay do you know submission defense yeah i'm a black belt in jujitsu oh okay and then you go okay well how long you've been doing taekwondo i started when i was a little kid i was like five years old and you know you talk about a guy fought a like karate style and then learn jujitsu those guys are going to have like this weird advantage because they have this dexterity yeah that the average person just doesn't possess like a guy like leota machita can kick you in the face in a way the average person just can't do.

[478] It's because he's been doing karate his whole life.

[479] Like Anderson, too.

[480] He had a taekwondo background first and then learned, you know, Muntai.

[481] Yeah, so he has this dexterity with his body.

[482] Like, he can do shit.

[483] Comfortable from both dances, which is a taekwondo thing.

[484] Yeah, because if you're going to allocate, like what you were saying before, about allocating time to training, you're probably not going to put a lot of time on the wheel kick.

[485] If you're about to have an MMA fight, you know, you have to learn that shit sort of as a child or as a straight taekwondo or karate competitor first.

[486] Because the only way to really pull that off is if a guy's not kicking your leg or if a guy, you know, is not going to shoot in and take you down.

[487] Like, for you to get good at that when you're a white belt, you're going to try it and it's going to be way easier for people to take you down.

[488] Yeah.

[489] You know, it's like it's way easier for them to take you down.

[490] It is for you to land this outlandish move where you're twisting your body around like a fucking ballerina.

[491] They're going to drop it.

[492] You're going to, you're going to throw it away.

[493] But if you start out in Taekwondo and develop those techniques when that's what everybody's doing, then you have them.

[494] and then you can learn the other things as well.

[495] It's kind of ironic that that's like a big sport for little kids like Taekwendoza, but I think it's a good one.

[496] It is.

[497] It is.

[498] I think so.

[499] You know, it's like MMA is basically a scaled -down version of these different styles.

[500] Like, you know, wrestling, you see million different throws, outside ankle picks and all stuff.

[501] They just don't see an MMA because they're not in that kind of range.

[502] But they have those things.

[503] And occasionally with the good guy, you see it.

[504] Yeah.

[505] Well, it's always fascinating to me when a really good wrestler gets in there.

[506] And you see guys who, you know, generally exhibit a fairly decent takedown defense just get fucked up over and over again.

[507] Like Junior versus Kane in the rematch.

[508] Right.

[509] It was a perfect example.

[510] So, like, Junior's take -down defense was the best in the business.

[511] He had been on his back for 13 seconds in his entire fucking UFC career, and he was the heavyweight champion.

[512] I mean, that's some ridiculous takedown defense.

[513] Yeah.

[514] But then people say, well, who did you fight that was a really good wrestler?

[515] And you stop and you think about it and go, Shane?

[516] Shane Carwin?

[517] Oh, look at this wrestling thing.

[518] This kid gets down and the fucking lights land on him.

[519] I hope he's okay, man. That is just awful.

[520] Yeah, that's crazy.

[521] You're in parterre positions.

[522] You're like, thinking about what you're going to do, and then bang, that sucks.

[523] How heavy is that light, too?

[524] That fucking had to really hurt.

[525] All right, don't play it over and over again.

[526] No, Madison Square Garden Epic Fail on YouTube.

[527] Wow.

[528] Everybody look at that because it's horrible.

[529] Yeah, that's fucked up.

[530] But I think, um, you know, stylistically, who would he take on that had that kind of takedown?

[531] Nobody.

[532] Shane, but Shane, I know for a fact, came into that fight injured.

[533] Yeah.

[534] Shane had been having a lot of back and neck problems.

[535] Yeah.

[536] And he came into that fight after he had gotten off of surgery.

[537] I think he had some sort of crazy spine surgery or something like that.

[538] I don't remember exactly what it was.

[539] But I know he didn't have much time to train.

[540] I know he didn't have much time to do any sparring, you know.

[541] He's been, uh, he's been dealing with some football.

[542] injuries from way back when and it's it's hard for that dude to get through a solid camp without getting hurt but he um like if you go back to like when i think his best performance was frank meir that was the scariest shame carwin performance he just murdered frank meer he got a whole of just mugged him he had rock yeah had him he had him yeah ran out of gas yeah well he fucked up he didn't breathe he was like throwing punches and not breathing and then he just had nothing left it's too bad because uh if he had just learned how to relax and pick his shots he might have been able to stop him in the first round first of all and he definitely wouldn't have gassed out like he did because i don't know it's a lot of it's adrenaline too you're fighting for the title and you just get this mad adrenaline dump and then you realize the guy's still there and you're like jesus christ i might actually have to go through three more fucking round four more rounds of this everybody listening man i'm serious if you are a an aspiring fighter if i have one piece of advice to give you based on what you're saying right now never ever sit a pace you can't keep ever.

[543] Don't throw, if you have, you have X number of punches in a round or you have X number of punches in a fight.

[544] If it's 300, don't throw 300 punches in the first round.

[545] I see guys do this all time they set a pace and you go look, you can't keep this up.

[546] But you're hoping the other guy wills.

[547] You're hoping the other guy wills, which is never a solid bet, ever.

[548] It's not intelligent.

[549] It's not an intelligent way to approach it.

[550] It can be successful occasionally.

[551] For a guy like Van der Le Silva, it could be successful for fucking ever, you know, it was successful because he was so murderous in his approach.

[552] They just freak people out and then they would stomp them and destroy them.

[553] And then people figured, oh, wait, I can throw a left hook in the middle of this.

[554] Right.

[555] And drop your ass, which happened.

[556] Crow cop really sort of exposed that.

[557] The difference between a real high -level striker and a guy was his wild, murderous brawler.

[558] Angled off and took him.

[559] But Vandalé still is one of my favorites of all times.

[560] Forever.

[561] His fights were the most exciting.

[562] Nobody was fighting.

[563] If you were going to go see a Vandale Silva fight, that shit was an event.

[564] Yeah.

[565] When Vandle fought soccer out, you're like, oh, Jesus.

[566] Oh, my God.

[567] And you're looking him across the corner and he's doing this shit with his collarbone?

[568] He broke his collarbone?

[569] drop like three inches yeah my favorite one was that knockout the fadeaway punch that he landed as he was stepping forward and the saccaraba just flew backwards man his first fight with dan henderson yeah he put dan through the floor for 15 damn minutes it was a tough fight and his face was all fucked up too and he only had one eye he could not see at all of his left eye if you wanted to look at swollen eye anderson or uh vandalay silva maybe you know the probably the first Dan Henderson fight.

[570] It was one of the worst cuts and swollen eyes I've ever seen a guy keep fighting with.

[571] Yeah.

[572] It was fucking nasty.

[573] You know, Dan had him hurt too.

[574] Dan had him hurt, too.

[575] Dan had had him down and then finally got up and...

[576] Well, Dan took that fight on a short notice.

[577] That was the thing about pride.

[578] I was training with Dan at that time.

[579] Were you really?

[580] Yeah, you used to come to Team Huntersman.

[581] No, I was at Team Punishment down Huntington Beach.

[582] And Dan, I don't know if he lived there at the time.

[583] Him and Randy Cotterer came in there all the time.

[584] And that was one of the fights that I, uh, I, uh, I, uh, well training with him for Dan has always had that retarded power just redonculus and his strength you were grappled with him oh yeah yeah yeah he's a grappling with a fire hydrant he's a wood he's a wood it's ridiculous it's ridiculous it's ridiculous man I only I grabbed him once and I actually had a cold it sucked but he mauled me he got me in a leg lock or something like that maybe he got me in a head and arm choke or something like that yeah but he was he's like a dense dude like you he's like dense like you hold on to him you're like got that The grappler's built.

[585] Yeah.

[586] You know?

[587] Yeah.

[588] There's a lot of dudes out there that you don't realize how you look at them, and they develop this, like, freak grappler strength.

[589] Yeah.

[590] You know, from just years and years and years of throwing bodies around.

[591] What Dan has done that a lot of people don't is he's adapted that to striking.

[592] A lot of guys can't turn that into knockout power.

[593] In fact, it's hard because they're used to being such grapplers.

[594] They can't get that snap in their punches.

[595] Dan has somehow translated that grappler body into a knockout punch, which a lot of guys can't do.

[596] Yeah, and typically it wasn't the Greco guys that would get like really good at striking either, right?

[597] It was more of the freestyle guys because the freestyle guys could shoot.

[598] And when you develop that sort of ability to explode in on a double leg, that same shit can come with a punch.

[599] Like Kevin Randman's a perfect example.

[600] Yeah.

[601] He had the just unbelievably fast power double.

[602] And Kevin Randleman's prime, he was a steamroller.

[603] He would just freight train your ass.

[604] I mean, he was, and he could jump over your body.

[605] Like, he was so ridiculously athletic.

[606] He could jump over your fucking body.

[607] Yeah.

[608] You know, and random men, when he would land a punch, he could land a punch the same way he could land that double.

[609] He would explode on you before you even know it was coming, and you could crack you and tag you.

[610] And that's what he did to Crocob.

[611] He knocked out Crowe Cup.

[612] That was like a crazy surprise.

[613] And, you know, it wasn't a surprise that he had won, you know, if you took him down and, you know, mulled him on the ground.

[614] But the fact that he knocked him out, I think it was a left hook.

[615] Left hook in the first round.

[616] Just ridiculous speed.

[617] And that coming from that, you know, that use of that wrestling background, but it's a weird thing to transition from a sport where you don't ever get hit to transition from a sport where you very might likely get knocked unconscious, at least in practice.

[618] Yeah.

[619] It's very likely one day you're going to get unconscious.

[620] Wrestlers, what they bring generally to MMA is they're incredibly hard workers.

[621] It's just, and I wrestled in high school and it was just, it's incredibly difficult the training.

[622] Yeah.

[623] And they compete a lot.

[624] They compete a lot.

[625] A lot of tournaments, you know.

[626] A wrestler in the NCAA is about like 40 matches in a year.

[627] They have mental strength, too, because of the fucking weight cutting.

[628] They're just used to competing.

[629] They used to cutting weight.

[630] They used to being miserable and hungry.

[631] Used to be miserable and hungry and starving all the time.

[632] So it's not a big deal.

[633] The problem they have is they have to adjust to getting hit.

[634] And, you know, there are certain wrestlers that never make that successful mental leap.

[635] There's also an issue with overtraining.

[636] And that's a real issue with wrestlers.

[637] And, you know, it's like this whole will.

[638] willingness to push it farther than the next man and the pain is just weakness leaving your body that's all well and good but the reality is you should probably be paying attention to your heart rate you should probably know is it up five beats today from yesterday yeah we're over training dude you want you're pissing that cup oh you're dehydrated look what's going on here dude you don't have minerals in your body you know like the wrestling mentality is like shut up pussy get up put on your fucking converse all -stars and run up hill get in there yeah get in there and that that's good and it's bad it's good if you're you're you're you know you're super honest about what's going on but bad if you know you're not and you don't pay attention to signs of overtrain how old in wrestling before m m m a when wrestling is wrestling how old did people wrestle you didn't get out of your mid 20s generally speaking so you can have that mentality because you only did it until you 25 yeah problems you take that to mhm a where you could do it till your mid 30s ran a couture to 40 yeah you can't maintain that how about it's the mentality in hopkins man oh my god how do i don't explain that because you know what it is you know what it is i'm gonna tell you why i'm gonna tell you why the dude is tech i've never seen him get hurt right i've seen i don't know how many bernard hopkins fights since way back in the day his first fight with roy jones okay right the guy doesn't get is technically so good that he hasn't gone through the things physically a lot of fighters have gone through he hasn't did chad dawson drop him i don't think chad dawson ever dropped him unless i'm mistaken i don't think chad dawson never dropped him just outworked him outworked him i mean it's easy to do you're 45 or old he is when it's at this there's some 48 dude yeah yeah there's fighting uh soon i think he's fighting in march there's something i want to talk to you about i want to ask you okay as a commentator okay because we we interview thousands of fighters yeah okay thousands sure yeah there's something i call the heart myth which is in interviews we asked a fighter you know i've had fighters cry they wanted someone so badly i want this so bad they literally cry they literally break down in front of us they go in there they take on a guy who's just better than they are and they lose I was at Rodrigo Vaghi Jiu -Jitsu down in Missouri I was picking him a car and I was like hey, Rodrigo Vaghi's here and I was doing some jiu -jitsu with them and all these guys are then they go what would you tell a guy getting ready for MMA and I go be technically sound listen to your coaches and make sure you have all the tools to win and they all kind of sat and they were quiet for a second they went I thought you'd give some speech about heart and I go I've seen guys a heart without technique makes a beating more interesting because a guy's still getting up when he's getting tattooed and I go if you aren't technically sound like Bernard Hopkins probably beat a lot of guys with more heart than he had Floyd Mayweather beats a lot of guys with more heart than they have because they are technically sound they're really sound and yeah heart's important and you can't overstate the importance of heart but guys who go yeah I'm tough I got heart I go yeah that can make a beating a lot more and you don't have the technique to go with it and Bernard Hopkins is a great example of that of a guy who's just technically really sounded, had a long, great career because of it.

[639] You know what I mean?

[640] People think that somehow my heart's going to overcome a guy who put in more work and it's more technical than I am.

[641] And it rarely works.

[642] It works often enough that it's developed this myth of that you cannot work these guys.

[643] And, you know, if he's in shape and has good technique, that is really, really hard to do.

[644] And it's something I noticed over and over again in fighting.

[645] A guy can be motivated as shit if you didn't have the technique and you didn't put in work, it's not going to help you.

[646] Yeah, it'll happen.

[647] And now and then if you catch a guy who's out of shape or a guy who's got a weakness in his game, like a striking weakness in his game, maybe.

[648] Maybe he's more technical and grappling, and you have more heart, you take it to him.

[649] But a guy who's technically sound across the board, you're absolutely right.

[650] It can expose the other guy's lack of preparedness.

[651] That's what Hart does.

[652] It exposes the other guy's lack of preparedness because, you know, the first one, Shogun Forrest.

[653] The first Shogun Forrest, Shogun was not prepared for that fight.

[654] He just wasn't physically prepared.

[655] And what happened to the rematch?

[656] Shoggan was prepared and blasted for us.

[657] That's probably the biggest heart in the whole game.

[658] You know what I mean?

[659] It's one of those things where I think a lot of people, and, you know, it's a great story.

[660] This guy with this big heart defeated this guy.

[661] And I said, hey, look, guys, be technically sound first before anything else.

[662] I think you're dealing with two different forests, too.

[663] Yeah, it's very true.

[664] There's a difference of several fights.

[665] Forest fights.

[666] Yeah, Forest fights.

[667] Forest fights.

[668] You know, Forrest is known for having the most exciting fights maybe in the UFC history.

[669] The most important exciting fight in the history of the UFC was Stefan Bonner, Forrest Griffin.

[670] The finals is the ultimate fighter.

[671] Because for folks who haven't seen it, it's a real.

[672] Real classic.

[673] I watched it again recently because it was just, I don't know what I was doing, but I saw it was, you know, I have a bunch of them DVR and I watched that fight and I was like, wow, whatever.

[674] At the time, it was so crazy.

[675] Like, we knew it was going to be a good fight.

[676] But when they got in there, they just went off.

[677] It was just chaos.

[678] They were so evenly matched.

[679] They had trained together for so long.

[680] They knew what the fuck each other did.

[681] And they just went after each other for three glorious rounds.

[682] Made, M .A., modern M .A. You can't do it.

[683] that forever you know that's not the smartest way to fight the smartest way to fight is to be technical and to choose your spots and although i appreciate for sure from a point of view of like a spectator like a fan who loves to say chaos you know i i i appreciate the fuck out of the fact that they did it you know and it was the chris levin's a world are great to watch well i'll pay to watch that guy you know anytime anytime yeah chris leban is always going to be uh but i think chris is uh not the right example anymore because he's got a lot more technical over the years.

[684] He has.

[685] He certainly has.

[686] Especially, you go back to, like, the Aaron Simpson fight.

[687] Yeah.

[688] He fought very smart in that fight.

[689] You know, his last fight wasn't his best fight, the Derek Bronson fight, but, you know, he got, you know, just, he had a, at least a year off, you know, and he had substance issues and a bunch of other shit going on, so I don't know.

[690] But Chris Lieben is always one of the most exciting guys.

[691] He's one of those guys that he might not ever be the champion.

[692] He might not ever be able to be Anderson Silva.

[693] I will pay to see that guy fight any day.

[694] Any day the week.

[695] Anytime you'll pay.

[696] You know, whatever forgets, you know, and, you know, we deal with a lot of people that don't understand the nature of the business.

[697] We're in the entertainment business.

[698] Yeah.

[699] We are in the entertainment business.

[700] And fighters like Forrest Griffin and fighters like Chris Levin and, you know, Michael Chandler for us, the guys that go on there and just put it on the dude.

[701] And are just a fireball from beginning to end.

[702] That's what, that's what people tune in for.

[703] Dude, that's what they're for.

[704] Chandler guy is very exciting, man. Beast.

[705] he goes off i did not expect that at all he's an intense human being like you see when he's talking you know he's got he's got a lot going on behind the eyes he's just getting started yeah that's a scary part yeah yeah i i think so you know i was i was super impressed with him in that every eddie alvrest fight that was that was sick incredible performance i thought it was done at the third round did you really i was like because that third round eddie starts teeing off chan looked out of gas i was like okay this is probably great performance this is probably it he came out in round four like he was shot out of a cannon And Eddie just was not ready for it He's a bad motherfucker Bad dude There's so few of those guys That like have this special thing about them And you see them come up And you go well this guy just for whatever reason He just stands out Yeah You know it's like What percentage of it is it You know is it one percent of all the findings I mean what is it at what percentage that you see When you see a guy and you go There's something that this dude has That other people just don't have 5%.

[706] Yeah I would go as high as 5 % But you and I have seen even if it's like just getting started you're like keeping eye on that dude's got it first time I saw jispian I went all right this dude he's going to be a problem I was at a lot of ESP's early fights and I was there when he fought J. Haran that's what I knew it was like wow this guy is fucking savage man I remember but the first one that I knew he was good the one that really turned my head when he demolished Frank Trigg yeah when he demolished Frank Trigg you went okay because Trigg at the time was the top contender, only lost to Matt Hughes and Hayota Sakurai and was like, he just mauled him.

[707] He wasn't even there.

[708] He ran through him.

[709] He just put up a pace that Frank Trigg, especially when it got to the ground, oh, he's just manhandled him.

[710] I think Trigg was like really shocked.

[711] Yeah.

[712] And remember when he got off of him, Trigg said, you're really fucking good, man. You're really fucking good.

[713] He was just shocked.

[714] Yeah, there's a few of those guys.

[715] Like when Anderson first came into the off -gun, when he fought Chris Levin.

[716] I knew.

[717] I'd seen him fight many times.

[718] I'd seen his difference between his pride days where he was still learning submissions and his moytime wasn't exactly where it was then to the cage rage days when he went over to england is it cage rage cage rage over in cage rage when he fought lee murray and he fought tony frickland he hit him with that upward elbow yeah it was a stepping forward upward elbow like he missed he like he pretended to miss the hook and then reloaded in him with the elbow blam and caught him on the chin and knocked him completely unconscious and uh i i knew that anderson was something special i knew he was coming into his own especially the lee murray fight because lee mary who went on to be uh one of the most notorious criminals in uk history i think they're making a movie about of course i'm sure you know from what i've heard how could you not how could you not how could you not mma fighter turned uh he was the biggest he because well he he was history apparently the story goes that he met tito ortees in london back when tito was the champ and uh he he he was the champ and uh he he either didn't know who Tito was or didn't give a fuck who Tito was and they got in a street fight and the word is that Lee Murray won the street fight that was like what everybody had said and then you know I mean even after Tito lost to Chuck in the post fight interview who was you know talking about how there's 185 pounders running his mouth.

[719] Talk to shoot after he just fought Chuck Ladell and got stopped he was you know calling out Lee Murray so it was a legit beef something happened for sure And then he went from there to getting somehow or another involved in this insane armed robbery, like right out of a movie.

[720] Like a state of a movie.

[721] Yeah, where they have like masks on and machine guns and they held hostages and they stole millions and millions of dollars.

[722] One of the biggest highs in British history.

[723] Yeah.

[724] And then he went to Morocco.

[725] And then in Morocco, he got arrested for, I think it was like cocaine and kidnapping.

[726] Something ridiculous.

[727] You would think like how many years can I add on to my sentence here?

[728] Let me see.

[729] Let's take a look out of here.

[730] You would think, okay, I'm on the run from the biggest armed robbery in the UK history.

[731] I got this fat bag of money with me. What do I do?

[732] I'm out.

[733] I never understand.

[734] And there's a great, cocaine cowboys.

[735] Have you ever seen it?

[736] Great documentary.

[737] Great documentary.

[738] Okay.

[739] Billy Corbyn.

[740] I met that guy in Florida.

[741] Great guy.

[742] One thing I kept thinking, I was watching that movie.

[743] And by the way, listeners, if you haven't seen cocaine cowboys, great documentary, check it out.

[744] Amazing.

[745] And two.

[746] One and two.

[747] Right, there's two.

[748] And these guys make hundreds of millions of dollars.

[749] At what point do you go out, done?

[750] I'm not risking a life sentence over this.

[751] I have $50 million.

[752] Can I budget in my head?

[753] Okay, yeah, I can live on this.

[754] One big, big job, I'm done.

[755] I don't think that you could spend the money.

[756] I know.

[757] I think they take the money and it becomes like they know what the numbers on the money were.

[758] And then they put that in the circulation, like be alerted for these numbers.

[759] Why don't you get a legit job?

[760] and go, I just, no, I'm going to be a mortician, wherever I have to be in Morocco, to not go to prison for the rest of my life.

[761] Yeah, I would rather be a mortician in Morocco.

[762] I got lucky.

[763] But being in jail in Morocco, I think he gets, like, girls in there.

[764] Sure he does.

[765] He's got a chick pregnant.

[766] Well, he's hooked up there.

[767] That's why he ran there.

[768] His family's Moroccan.

[769] I guess they got some juice in Morocco.

[770] Yeah.

[771] So, I don't, maybe he's doing one like the, the Pablo Escobar prison in Columbia.

[772] It's like a compound.

[773] I don't like the idea of supporting criminals.

[774] Neither do I. But I do like the idea that this.

[775] There's a place you can go where jail's not really jail and you can pay some people off and just live like they did.

[776] That's the rest of the world, bro.

[777] That is the rest of the world.

[778] Yeah, I think I like that.

[779] I've been all over the place.

[780] It's the rest of the world, man. I don't really think that, you know, you should be using it in a bad way.

[781] I don't think corruption should be used in a bad way.

[782] But when it's used that way, when a guy can get a dope sell because he's paying for it.

[783] They can bring in girls.

[784] I don't really hate it, you know.

[785] I mean, look, a fucking security guard's got to.

[786] do what security guards got to do it's a tough way to make 11 oh isn't it so i don't mind him getting a few extra hundred bucks if he brings in hookers for lee murray i really don't see a problem with that the unions in california the unions in california the prison guard union is one of the most powerful unions in california every time they try to do any kind of well can we search guards before they go in there or something because guards are making huge money yeah get old cell phones and give them to the prisoners and they can do their thing they stop it every single time I'm glad they do.

[787] Every single time.

[788] I'm glad they do.

[789] And because they know they're all corrupt and they know they're all sneaking weed in and that's okay.

[790] The fuck, man. You know, there needs to be a little room for fuckery in this world.

[791] Everything can't be across the board.

[792] I'd have a friend of him, cigarettes, $20.

[793] When the prison, he was in a cigarette is $20.

[794] One cigarette is $20.

[795] I imagine being a guard and bringing a pack of cigarettes.

[796] Yeah.

[797] And making that kind of money.

[798] Worth every penny.

[799] Yeah, Brian would pay it.

[800] Worth every penny.

[801] He would give you that money.

[802] You would, wouldn't you, right?

[803] Probably.

[804] Just have one.

[805] Yeah, it's a deal.

[806] One a day.

[807] Could you deal with like a $100 cigarette, have it a week?

[808] Could you deal with one cigarette a day?

[809] Or would you just go crazy?

[810] I'd probably have like two hits, put it out.

[811] Two hits the next day, put it out.

[812] So I'd make it last like a...

[813] Like a wino.

[814] You're like a crazy person.

[815] That's like serious addiction.

[816] How many are you smoking a day these days?

[817] About a pack.

[818] Are you worried about like when you hear that our friend Duncan gets cancer, you know, and he's basically your age?

[819] And then all of a sudden, you know, he's going through radiation and all this shit.

[820] freak you out at all?

[821] Well, I don't put cigarettes up my ass or anything.

[822] Hey, easy.

[823] What are you trying to say about Duncan?

[824] I'm making this all personal.

[825] Talking shit about a fucking injured person.

[826] Yeah, I mean, I get nervous.

[827] It doesn't freak you out at all?

[828] You don't get a fuck?

[829] What else is bad that I do?

[830] You know, I drink, I, you know, I do drugs, I smoke, whatever.

[831] So you just don't give a fuck about your meat vehicle?

[832] You're just going to ride that shit until the wheels fall off?

[833] Is that the idea?

[834] Yeah.

[835] Wow.

[836] I guess, yeah.

[837] Everybody's got their own decisions to making it's really hard to be a comedian and go to a comedy club and not drink it's really hard to be a comedian and go to a comedy club and not smoke it's like almost impossible um well it's more fun if you do those things that's the problem you know you're hanging out with comedians and you want to drink fuck it let's do it yeah you know somebody pulls out a joint yeah little known fact i've never had a drink in my life really little known fact about jubes how come parents are both better good move you might have that that yeah man i was like i don't need this yeah just in case just in case i went back off that's uh reason why i've never tried cocaine i i get a chance to watch no one in my family but i had a chance to watch some friends lose their fucking shit over it it's good smart to learn you know i'm not saying that everybody should have an alcohol in their family but you should you really help the broad spectrum of how bad something can fuck up your life you know the show intervention yeah my my wife's a producer and she produced intervention for like a year and a half she would she worked for the production of intervention the story she would tell me about these addicts and it's the what's weird is the inconsistency of it where some addicts will do one drug and it doesn't really do yeah it's okay whatever but but but coke is their thing or what you know why our systems our brains key into a particular drug and go and they can't get off yeah whatever it is yeah is you know it's it's it's really weird how some people are hardwired for that and other people aren't I don't really have an addictive personality the only they have a you know i love fighting i love training right you know that's but that's more of a passion but you know you could call it a physical addition to some to some degree but you know it's it's weird what keys into certain people how some people get hooked on something yeah other people have no problem with it it's it's a there's a lot of genetic variables a ton yeah especially when it comes to i mean it's the the oldest running you know story in america really from the dawn of the uh the pilgrim days it was the indians and their inability to handle alcohol that is is the American and Native Americans have consistently had a problem with alcohol.

[838] And the idea is that genetically their bodies are not designed to process it because it wasn't a part of their culture until the white man showed up.

[839] So it was this massive disadvantage.

[840] I grew up in Long Beach, a lot of Samoans.

[841] Yes, yes.

[842] Last thing you want is a family of drunk Samoans.

[843] Yeah, you're right.

[844] After you're right.

[845] They love me. I have a lot of Samoan friends, so I'm cool.

[846] But, man, they're roaming packs of families.

[847] Yeah, well, I find they're generally very friendly people.

[848] Unbelievable friendly.

[849] Very, very family.

[850] Family -oriented, yeah, just don't be cunty with them.

[851] They won't have to swat you.

[852] Yes.

[853] But, you know, the cultural lack of history with alcohol really fucks them up, man. Really, it can, there's some, and then there's cultural history of, like, fucking straight alcoholism, like, a lot of Irish folks.

[854] Yeah.

[855] And my dad was half Irish.

[856] There you go.

[857] Yeah, I have a good buddy whose dad was Irish and drunk, you know, Greg Fitzsittsimmons.

[858] He's told the story a hundred times and about how his dad, you know.

[859] fucking crashed a car while he was drunk and then you know it was in the hospital for a while and then got out of the hospital and like almost immediately started drinking again yeah it doesn't it doesn't make like wow my dad went through dTs while driving one time mom said he was driving I apparently hadn't anything drink in the morning which is weird I don't know what I was thinking but anyway my mom said you were in a vaccine you know we were there and he started shaking and he started shaking and he pulled the car over and he started convulsing and a cop came and said do you need help Does he need to go to the immersion room?

[860] Because he was having convulsions because he didn't drink that morning.

[861] Wow.

[862] So it's like, you know.

[863] One day?

[864] Yeah.

[865] One morning, bro.

[866] One morning.

[867] I saw him, he had a head injury.

[868] Which is how he, well, not really how he died, but he had a head injury.

[869] And he was in the hospital one time.

[870] I went to visit him and they had him tied to the bed.

[871] And he's like thrashing around and his eyes are rolling back.

[872] He's literally in a coma, but DTs will go through him anyway.

[873] It doesn't, your body is still reacting to the fact that you don't have any alcohol.

[874] So he's thrashing around and he's screaming and all this stuff.

[875] And I'm looking down at him.

[876] And I forget who I'm with.

[877] And they went.

[878] can you believe this i turn them i go this why i don't drink you see that you want to take a picture of this because this is why i don't drink and she's like yeah i can see why you don't drink because your body will go through d t's anyway whether you're in a comb or not you know so yeah that kind of stuff you know so it's like i just i just stay away from that what's wrong with people i don't know that design what a shit design that you can get hooked on alcohol or heroin or something that sucks something that's bad for it and something like working out it's paying me ass for people and they don't to do it well you know what for some folks for some people you and i i i can't stay away from i can't go a couple days without some sort of training it makes me feel better you know i'm i'm suffering through a bulging disc right now and i started getting ralphing you ever ralphing done oh thank god no i have not very painful but it's really amazing and like what kind of pain relief it gives you once the pain is over yeah like the loosening of my back my back feels more limber than it's felt like in a year i got an issue with my back for quite a while i could get injured my neck is bad yeah you have bulging uh yeah i think so do you did you get MRI or anything did you get no i just got this is years ago when i was at team punishment uh some dude dropped me on my head and i i it bulges it herniated slight herniation here yeah and uh i had therapy for like six months and they went okay and this is back line i didn't have any money so i had to have a friend of I was a cartback to take care of it.

[879] But it was like therapy, and it fixed it, but it's the one thing where I'll be sparring.

[880] I'll take one, and I'll fill the, and I've got to stop.

[881] Right.

[882] Because if I keep going, then I've got to put ass on it and all this stuff.

[883] It's just always a problem, a slight problem.

[884] So you do still have a bulge there probably, yeah.

[885] And it'll press against the nerve.

[886] Slip, yeah.

[887] If I get hit on the head, and jammed my head, that happened to Mark Coleman apparently got paralyzed.

[888] He was training with Randleman again, and Randerman dumped him on his head, and he couldn't move.

[889] for like i think it was something crazy like 30 seconds like his body was just completely frozen that's a scary 30 seconds oh my god where he thought this is it i'm i'm gonna be in a wheelchair for the rest of my life directing myself with my mouth you know and that's that's what could have happened to him going from the ufc heavyweight champion of the world to that from one injury like that but james wilkes retired because of that did he as he was a guy that i fought actually when i was fighting i fought james wilkes and uh he had a some kind of herniation in his neck and said And the doctor said, if you keep doing this, you're going to risk paralysis.

[890] And when I'm out, I'm out.

[891] Yeah, there's different ways to treat it.

[892] You know, the raw thing, though, was a buddy of mine from the gym had a good personal experience from it.

[893] And he was like, it is really painful stuff.

[894] But when it's done, like when they're breaking the muscle, like the muscle fascia, I guess.

[895] Yeah.

[896] They're ripping it off, you know, the scar tissue.

[897] Whatever they're doing with their elbows, it's fucking horrifically painful.

[898] They put all their weight on that.

[899] Yeah.

[900] But when it's done.

[901] Like, man, like, all of a sudden, like, there's all this range of motion that wasn't there before.

[902] And I try to say, like, is this fuckery, man?

[903] Is this, like, some bullshit voodoo that they put on me?

[904] And, you know, they give me a rubber bracelet with a hologram on it and saying it's going to make my balance better.

[905] But I think objectively, I'm just like, no, there's some serious relief in, like, my...

[906] I'm pretty consistent about, like, deep tissue massage and all the different things, chiropractic care.

[907] But this made a difference.

[908] Like, it was a noticeable difference.

[909] A fighter is always in pain.

[910] And people who have never fought or never trained don't understand that.

[911] Like, you know, any, well, basically any athlete, no basketball players, and knees are shot.

[912] Yeah.

[913] I go, it's, it's, they're constantly in pain.

[914] And the difference between hurt and injured is a line.

[915] A fighter is always walking.

[916] A fighter never goes in and not hurt, ever.

[917] I've never seen it.

[918] Yeah, that is, they're always in pain.

[919] Is, you know, a lot of guys trained through injuries.

[920] And that's how I fucked my backup way worse.

[921] It's like, I injured it.

[922] And then I was like, yeah, I just keep rolling.

[923] I'll just go technical, I'll roll light, I'll tap quicker, you know, I won't put myself in strength.

[924] Bullshit.

[925] Once you get out there, you start rolling, you know, and the whole purpose of rolling is try to get dudes.

[926] If they're trying to get you, and you can't try to get them, it's not fun, you know, so you're not going to enjoy it.

[927] And the reason why you're doing the first place, mostly is because it's fun.

[928] So you're going to go after him, and you're going to, ah, fucking shit.

[929] Go home.

[930] Yeah, I had, like, numbness in my hand, and I would get this pain in my elbow.

[931] Same thing I got.

[932] The ulnar nerve.

[933] So it's like C -7 or something like that, where your injury is?

[934] It's here.

[935] That's a really scary one getting dropped on the head.

[936] Sucks.

[937] Yeah, that's one of the reasons I like that jujitsu starts on the knees.

[938] The bad thing is that a lot of guys don't have good takedowns or take -down defense.

[939] And if you face a wrestler, you're really fucked if you can't take him down and he's better standing.

[940] Because then you're doomed.

[941] You're just going to get teed off on.

[942] It's easy to defend submissions if you've been grappling your whole life.

[943] It's just a natural thing for them.

[944] It's really hard.

[945] I hate catching a wrestler sucks.

[946] But, man, getting tossed around is one of the easiest ways to get fucking seriously hurt.

[947] When you're wrestling with really good guys who can throw you, you know, guys who can, they get double unders on you and they fucking suplex you legit in the gym where they're launching their back like a fucking bridge, you know, and slamming you into the ground first with them behind you, all 200 plus pounds of them.

[948] You can get really fucked up, like separated shoulders, terrible distancing.

[949] injury so I don't fuck with that man I know it's an important thing to do to like roll with a guy like that to know what's possible but the the worries about getting slammed on your head to me that's a big one that's it that's a gigantic one the most injuries I've ever seen in combat sports judo their judo is like and it's funny because people don't think about it's like man that doesn't seem like it would be the worst people get thrown and their elbows pop out their knees pop out they fall I mean world champs yeah Yoshita broke his arm in a tournament Because, and that's a world champ.

[950] Jiu -Jice, you don't see that that often.

[951] Like, hardly ever will a guy, you know.

[952] Occasionally, a guy will get an arm broke.

[953] Occasionally.

[954] But they typically know when to tap.

[955] When you get thrown, you're not expecting it.

[956] That classic Jacaray -Hodger -Gracy fight where he didn't tap.

[957] Tucks it in his belt.

[958] He let him break his fucking arm, and then he got out of it and won by points.

[959] I could not believe that.

[960] It's like being in a washing machine.

[961] But what is his mentality?

[962] He let a dude break his arm in a jujitsu tournament.

[963] What is he going to win in that?

[964] What is he going to win in that?

[965] $100?

[966] I mean, what the fuck is he going to win?

[967] How much is the Jiu -Jitsu tournament pay?

[968] I mean, is it at 20 ,000?

[969] What's it worth to get your fucking arms and snapped?

[970] Final match of the absolutes, dude.

[971] Stuffed in there.

[972] And this is after he already won his division and just defended for the last few seconds and got out of him.

[973] Big deal for him, man. He's a beast.

[974] Dude's a beast.

[975] That's a serious competitor, man. A guy who lets you break his fucking arm.

[976] And just says, fuck it, I'm going to keep up.

[977] Well, here's one thing.

[978] Here's one mentality.

[979] Here's one thing you can say, though, is.

[980] there is the idea of well fuck it it's already broken I got a minute and a half remember it wasn't a lot of time left it was a minute and a half left of a 10 minute match and he went it's already broken it's not going to get more broken yeah fuck it maybe I can win this thing it's not the kind of thing where it's like an MCL goes out and you're like if I stand on this is going to get even worse fuck it broken's broken I ain't going to get a whole lot worse and went I got a minute left and made it that was the mentality of mesh yeah I can't break it twice I guess but then the real problem is when a guy gets a physical injury like that, like you get an arm snapped or a knee snapped, you might not ever be the same again.

[981] Nope.

[982] And you might have to go through rehab for seven months, eight months, if you're lucky, if everything goes perfect, if you can schedule your surgery in time and then go through it all.

[983] It's like, that's why everybody's terrified of guys like Hussamar Paharis.

[984] Husamar Pahas gets a hold of your leg and starts rolling, and he's, I think he's my height and a foot wider than me, you know?

[985] I mean, I don't know how much weight he cuts to get down to 185 pounds, but he's, he literally looks like a cartoon figure.

[986] He's, he's from my team, Carlson Gracie.

[987] You know, he's Marlustamantes, and I'm with Hay Diego, who is, you know, the same family and stuff.

[988] And the dude is one of those guys where it's like, are you, are you okay?

[989] Or is like, Jiu -Jitsu, all you do?

[990] Because it's like, if you saw on Abu Dhabi and he took on, God, Marco's Avalin, I want to say, had him in a hill hook.

[991] Roll out of bounds.

[992] Yes, yes, yes.

[993] And he keeps rolling.

[994] And they're like, we're out of bounds, and he taps.

[995] And he knew that Marcos Avalon was lightning up because they were out of bounds, and he just went for the kill and tried to submit him.

[996] But he stood up like, oh, good match.

[997] And Marcos Avalin is furious.

[998] Well, then remember, they restarted him.

[999] They restarted him with a heel hook.

[1000] And they tapped him like.

[1001] And they said, ready go.

[1002] You can't do that.

[1003] You can't because there's a lot of momentum in moving, and you generate that momentum to say, stop, ready, go.

[1004] That's a big advantage to the guy that was applying the submission.

[1005] Like, you, you allowed him to get to a superior position because that initial explosion is way quicker to do with your arm like that than it is to do with your leg and twisting your fucking foot that's already in a bad spot.

[1006] Ready, go, but it's the idea of, Markosatvin was clearly upset.

[1007] And, and Tokino's like, oh, good match.

[1008] And he slapped him hard.

[1009] Are you paying attention?

[1010] He slapped him hard when he went to hug him.

[1011] Like, he hit him.

[1012] Which max did he jump up on the fence before the fight was over?

[1013] Oh, that was Jim Miller.

[1014] No, no, not Jim Miller.

[1015] Dan Miller.

[1016] It's that combination of, you know, sick on the ground and not all there upstairs is frightening.

[1017] Yeah, he's a nut.

[1018] Frightening.

[1019] And he's been a leg snapper forever.

[1020] Years.

[1021] Yeah, he's, if you've never seen him, he's this hairy gorilla type man. And his technique is flawless.

[1022] He's so strong, but his technique is perfect.

[1023] There's a video online with him rolling with.

[1024] mayhem in Brazil and he takes mayhem he takes mayhem down like smoothly passes him takes his back and then transitions to the arm bar all in one glorious move and you watch him you go god damn that guy's just fluid like water i mean the way he he he ducked under mayhem scooped him dumped him just took his back took the arm bar you're like well i know mayhem man mayhem is no joke Ice train with me. Ma 'am has a very good ground game.

[1025] He's got very good defense.

[1026] He survives a lot of shit.

[1027] And to see that guy run through him like that, he's a bad motherfucker.

[1028] No plan B. That's the problem.

[1029] No plan B. The Hector Lombard fight was a terrible matchup for him.

[1030] Because Hector Lombard is so fucking powerful with his hands.

[1031] And Hector's takedown defense is ridiculous.

[1032] When you see the Tim Boch fight, it wasn't a good fight for Hector.

[1033] It was one of his worst fights ever.

[1034] But look how good is.

[1035] fucking takedown defense is i mean he sprawls and slams bosh down to the ground with him that is a power sprawl when he gets those you know when bosh shot in on him and he he he over undered him kicked his hips back and dropped the two of them down to the ground you're like whoa that is some otherworldly strength that's another dude who's like five foot nothing yeah and like six feet wide he's like five seven five eight and and just built like a fucking comic book hero yeah and his his movement like the the shit that he's that he can do to people you know he is striking the explosions he could put on people he's just a ridiculous ridiculous athletic specimen Josh Barnett said that he taught him muscle ups you know that he'd never done it before which a muscle up is you you start with a chin up and then you pull yourself up to your chin and then you push yourself all the way up to like a dip so you're fully extended and he said like it's hard to do like alster ovarim they like someone was trying to they had one of those gymnastics dudes like street you know the street workout dudes that do a lot of like crazy core strength athletic moves and he could do it hector lumbar just starts whipping them off bam bam bam bam bam bam just does like 10 muscle ups in a row which is impossible dude's a freak like to never have done it before and just pull yourself up like that over and over again you got to be unbelievably strong.

[1036] I've had people tell me that when he was at CSW, which is Josh Burnett's team here in Southern California, on Fullerton, they would mop up the blood when they would spar.

[1037] Oh, yeah.

[1038] Because Hector does not know how to spar lightly.

[1039] He doesn't know how to be like, he just goes full out all the time.

[1040] Josh Barnett, it's a gigantic dude.

[1041] Well, there's a legendary story of Josh Barnett like punishing him where he got on he mounted him and would not let him go and just would just kept beating him up because apparently there was an issue with Hector beating up other people in the gym.

[1042] If you're sparring, That's always been the knock, is that he's going to fight you.

[1043] Like, you're fighting.

[1044] Like, he's so goddamn competitive and he's so fucking good.

[1045] He just, he needs to destroy, like, all the time.

[1046] He's like this fucking destruction machine.

[1047] Yeah.

[1048] You know, and, you know, he even talks about it in a post -fight interview.

[1049] He's one of the post -fight interviews, you know, my trainers say, you know, I have to be nice, or, you know, I can't have toys to play with.

[1050] You break your toys.

[1051] You got no toys to play with, bro.

[1052] Bro, that's what it is, bro.

[1053] That dude, he's a, he's a scary guy.

[1054] He is, man. I'm glad he's back on track.

[1055] That Paul Harris fight put it back on track.

[1056] Certainly did.

[1057] so many exciting fights for him you know there's a the thing about having only two promotions it's like i mean there's other like small feeder promotions that go national let's say national promotions it's belittor and uc that's it that's all there is now i mean especially now the strike force is done but there's there's so many guys they go damn i want to see that guy over there like yeah i would love to see chandler fight benson i think that would be fucking chaos you're an awesome fight i would love that fight i would love to see pat curran fight basically any 145 pounder in the world i you look great against pit bulls great fight dude he's got and he's another one where really follows the principles of being technically sound really tight tight tight tight tight tight tight tight tight tight tight not doesn't open expose himself doesn't go emotionally doesn't do anything crazy but mix his things up really good like between punches and knees that you don't see coming and kicks you don't see coming no wind up with the kicks you know it's throwing a lot of kicks karate style that are getting there when you don't expect him to he's a bad motherfucker he's very good what's sandro fight dude when he kicked him i was like oh done i could not i did not say that coming at all yes sandro's a bee standing too he's a dangerous fucking striker knocked him dead yeah he's very very very good there's there's a few of those guys you know that are i see and i go damn i wish i'd get that guy in the ufc yeah i get to see him in belsoe man i'm sure Well, I hope that eventually they figure out some way where, you know, there can be, you know, like if it comes to a point where there's some Bellator heavyweight that is just the shit and just destroying people and it's all over television, if it gets to a point, ideally it would be great if there was like equal value.

[1058] Because if it was equal value, then everybody would get together and say, listen, we got to promote, let's fucking make a deal.

[1059] Come on, what do we do in here?

[1060] This is crazy.

[1061] You know, let's chop this up and let's figure out a way to get the best fighters in the world fighting.

[1062] but the ufc to its credit is so that the brand has been marketed so incredibly well yeah and so incredibly well that the value behind the ufc brand is so high yeah that that that's what it is a brand behind the ufc is so high that that that that brand is what's on the line if i'm you see you're the best yeah and that that's what's on the line it's kind of crazy because when we first started when i became a fan the one thing that me and my friends sit around think that MMA needed because a lot of folks don't know that in 1997 MMA was so underground most people had no idea what it is and I always said you know what we need some like crazy billionaires that happen to be fight fans to just come along and buy it but I never thought that was actually going to happen and then it would actually be like some of the nicest fucking guys on the planet Earth like Lorenzo and Frank Fortita are some of the nicest fucking human beings you could ever want to meet.

[1063] They're gentlemen in every sense of the word They're easy to talk to.

[1064] They're friendly.

[1065] They're kind.

[1066] They're cool motherfuckers.

[1067] And they love fights.

[1068] They love boxing.

[1069] They bet stupid money on boxing all the time.

[1070] They're big Floyd -Mayweather fans.

[1071] And they were big Ricky Hatton fans.

[1072] And, you know, they love combat sports.

[1073] It's always been a passion for them.

[1074] And they also happen to own 20 casinos.

[1075] Yeah, that helps.

[1076] Yeah.

[1077] So it was like literally like we manifested them.

[1078] Like we created the battle of our imagination.

[1079] Thank you, Joe Rogan.

[1080] Thank you, Joe Rogan.

[1081] I appreciate that, buddy.

[1082] We needed billionaires to come along It's almost like simulation theory Like you know the world The universe provides you what your creative imagination Is trying to concoct Right exactly I don't know if that's real I don't really buy that But I do buy that we were lucky as fuck To have the Fertitas come along And they spent so much money To get the UFC to where it is Before they actually started making money That at one point in time They were thinking about quitting They were like 40 something million dollars In the hole That's what people don't Don't people talk about MMA and UFC like it was a home run that was of course of course it was going to be big right it wasn't they took and people that I don't understand who who who knocked the UFC and look they took the risk yeah and put the money in when it wasn't a home run you know when they like you said they were 40 in the hole and they did it super intelligent and they created the brand they built the brand up and they got it to where it is and they deserve every fucking penny they made from it that's exactly what I think that's that's that's reality Yeah.

[1083] You know, and the sport would not be here where it is right now if it wasn't for those guys.

[1084] That's just a fact.

[1085] If they didn't spend that money and take that chance, it had to get promoted.

[1086] But it's amazing that it did, you know.

[1087] It really is amazing.

[1088] Like, I'm so psyched.

[1089] We're going to Chicago this weekend, and I'm going to, it's going to be fights on Fox.

[1090] Yeah.

[1091] And it's great fucking fights.

[1092] It's, you're going to have Rampage versus Glover -Teshara.

[1093] That's a great fucking fight.

[1094] And then Pettis versus Saroni is going to fight for the title.

[1095] He's fighting Mighty Mouse.

[1096] That's going to be a sick fight.

[1097] That's going to be a fight if folks can get past the fact these guys weigh 18 pounds.

[1098] Get past the fact.

[1099] Get past the size.

[1100] It's 125 pounds.

[1101] They're the baddest motherfuckers on the planet earth.

[1102] Like pound for pound, no one moves like these guys.

[1103] You want to talk about guys who are technical, like, Mighty Mouse is so fucking technical.

[1104] He's so good at mixing up the takedowns with stand -up, and his timing and his speed and delivery is sensational.

[1105] And he comes from an interesting lineage to me, because I was just talking about his trainer, Matt Hume, the other day.

[1106] There's very few guys that started out, not just that.

[1107] I mean, fucking basically everything.

[1108] Coaching stud.

[1109] But Matt Hume started out when MMA was, it was pancreas.

[1110] and it was, I mean, he was literally in the just poised, post -hoist Gracie wave.

[1111] And out of all those guys, whether it's the Lions Den, or whether it's, you know, the Militich camp, all these camps that rose up from those ranks, Matt Hume has stayed ahead of the curve and continue to evolve his teaching and his game and his fighters to where the sports at.

[1112] Whereas, like, a lot of guys get stuck.

[1113] They get stuck with a certain style.

[1114] you know there's the hammer house style there's the fucking lion's den style and that style as the sport becomes this sort of rory mcdonald gsp type athletic dominance sport the guys who really continue to advance are rare the guys who make it from that early pioneer age where matt hume was fighting yeah if you go back and look at man mann hume fought pat milletitch way before pat milletitch ever won the ufccece broke his nose broke his nose with me man hume is very very technical stand up and had good ground game, he submitted Kenny Monday in one of those submission only matches.

[1115] Yeah, that was something called the contenders.

[1116] It was called, like, God, what that was it called?

[1117] That was a great.

[1118] Contenders or something.

[1119] It was some pay -per -view grappling thing.

[1120] Frank Shamrock submitted Dan Henderson.

[1121] Dan Henderson, the heel hook, inverted heel hook.

[1122] Yeah, that was nasty.

[1123] There was a lot of interesting, and Dan Gable gave commentary on it as well.

[1124] I think it was Peretti.

[1125] Was it Peretti involved?

[1126] I don't remember.

[1127] I remember the matches, but I don't remember who was going to call it.

[1128] I was hoping that that would actually become something that people could watch because i think there's something cool about watching like really aggressive submission grappling you know if you watch a marcello garcia you watch a jacqueray or jake shield someone who really goes after the finish and you know to to see that on television i think would be really interesting for people but that's the part that we have the most trouble translating we're talking about mb.

[1129] yeah that's the part where people start booing and all you know and yeah i'm seeing something awesome and crowds booing and you know but they're dumb they're dumb that's okay It doesn't matter.

[1130] You can't make everybody happy.

[1131] They're dumb.

[1132] You can't.

[1133] What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, MMA, which has a ton of action and some grappling, the grappling is part we have that people have the least attention to man with.

[1134] Something that's all grappling, that's a hard sell.

[1135] They try to do with the real pro wrestling, which Kenny Johnson, a guy's trained with trying to do.

[1136] Yeah, but there's no finishing in that.

[1137] There isn't.

[1138] The difference, I think, is in the submission.

[1139] Who watches Abu Dhabi?

[1140] I mean, guys like us.

[1141] Yeah, but they don't promote it.

[1142] Submission dorks.

[1143] It's online, but it's not like it's in, you know, on ESPN.

[1144] It's not like it's in the front of, Sports Illustrated, who's the best strangler on the planet Earth.

[1145] You know, I mean, I think that's something that's missing.

[1146] I think there's two things that are missing, and I think high -level kickboxing is the other one.

[1147] I think, like, high -level kickboxing, like, K -1, like, I know Glory just put on a pay -per -view event.

[1148] I think they're going to do something in America this year, and they're throwing a lot of money out of it.

[1149] They might be able to pull it off.

[1150] I didn't, I wasn't down with their last thing because they had, like, I watched it, I bought the pay -per -view, but it was four fights in a night.

[1151] I was like, that's crazy, and they were making the guys fight two -minute rounds.

[1152] Four fights, two -minute round.

[1153] That was the one out of Japan, right?

[1154] Was that in Japan?

[1155] Because they had a New Year's Eve show.

[1156] I believe it was in Japan.

[1157] Yes, it was.

[1158] Because it was in combination with Dream.

[1159] Yeah.

[1160] They also, they did both of them back to back in the same place.

[1161] And it was incredible.

[1162] I mean, it was a really fucking good fights.

[1163] But to see Daniel Gita in the final round against Semichil just exhausted, having fought three fucking tough fights.

[1164] And the third fight was against that big giant dude.

[1165] I forget the fucking guy's name, but he's 300 pounds.

[1166] six foot eight this bad motherfucker and he's and you know and he beat up on Joscis so it's like these guys are going through unbelievable punishment before they ever get to the final fight I would way rather see individual super an actual card yeah I don't like tournaments man I think it's stupid because I think it's unfair if one guy wins in a seven second I won't take that personally that's cool to work in Bellator I'm not what I mean not tournaments like that I mean tournaments where you fight multiple times in a night yeah in the same night it's just too many variables that are just who can go through that i don't i like a tournament format where you build up to one final contender i like that i like what beltor does i like what beltor does i like what k1 does i like what uh dream does yeah but what i don't i used to do yeah i had a couple in a night depending on the opening round they had two in one night it's interesting because you want to see what happens when vandulay meets you know rampage and you you want to see what happens when they meet in the finals yeah the reality is if you if you fight more than one time in night you could be really busted up and maybe concussed, especially if you're fighting Japan.

[1167] Oh my God.

[1168] They were like, oh, he's okay.

[1169] They don't stop anything, man. Yeah, they will let you fight, even if you're concussed.

[1170] If you got concussed in your first fight and then you go out, they'll let you go out for the second fight.

[1171] I've had some people ask me about, recently, would a moitai thing like Glory be successful in the United States?

[1172] I think MMA may have paved the road where people are used to seeing Muay and kickboxing in MMA and appreciating it and will obviously throw their dollars toward a good Muay Thai promotion.

[1173] I think it can work and I think, like I said, the MMA fans that have gotten used to that kind of striking, that's what paid the way.

[1174] I think a few years ago it doesn't work.

[1175] Yeah, I think people...

[1176] Because it never did in the United States.

[1177] We've never been big on kickback.

[1178] Well, you know what it is?

[1179] That PCA karate shit ruined it for everybody.

[1180] It did.

[1181] Because it was so bad.

[1182] It was so boring.

[1183] It was so silly.

[1184] Don't watch that.

[1185] If you guys are listening, don't know what we're talking about.

[1186] Go!

[1187] You can watch it.

[1188] Just to learn the weird...

[1189] They used to have this rule where you had to throw a certain amount of kicks in around.

[1190] So you had like these sloppy kicks and then you had bad boxing, and you had like, I mean, I'm just going to be honest.

[1191] They were inferior athletes.

[1192] They just weren't that good.

[1193] And no one ever looked at the best of the PCA guys and said, hey, that guy could fuck up Marvin Hagler.

[1194] Yeah.

[1195] No one thought, you knew that Marvin Hagler was just going to jump all over him.

[1196] They weren't in the same quality of the fight.

[1197] I saw some boxers who got into it for the money and literally went, one, two, three, five, I said, I threw like six kicks to get the number they needed in the round, and then they'd box the rest of the round.

[1198] And then beat the guys out.

[1199] Yeah, and it beat their ass.

[1200] It was a bad style because they didn't incorporate leg kicks and knees and elbows and all the things that make kickboxing and Muay time more interesting.

[1201] Yeah.

[1202] And once they started doing that, though, in Japan with K1, it became some of the most, it went from being boring as fuck to some of the most exciting fights in the history of combat sports were fought in the K -1 days of Japan where most people have no idea they were even going on.

[1203] Because in Japan, it was gigantic.

[1204] They had Andy Hug and our nest.

[1205] And they put together, these Japanese are such bad motherfuckers.

[1206] They put together these giant tournaments featuring the greatest kickboxes on earth and made them fight each other on multiple occasions.

[1207] And they always have one poor tiny Japanese dude in there, too.

[1208] Every now again.

[1209] That was the hilarious part to me is the kind of freak show matches they used to put together.

[1210] But K -1 was the shit, man. Yeah, they would put together some freak shows.

[1211] Well, they put together Bob Sapp.

[1212] Bob Sap and Ernesto Huss is the greatest freak show matchup ever.

[1213] I can't believe we lost him.

[1214] He won twice.

[1215] Bob Sap was twice in a row.

[1216] And he had to come back.

[1217] He had to come back.

[1218] We played that fight, and we were, like, fucking around doing color commentary on the show.

[1219] We're talking about what an amazing fight it was.

[1220] Like, he dropped him with a fucking left hook to the body and hurt him bad.

[1221] Like, Bob Sap was hurt bad.

[1222] And Ernesto was chopping out his legs.

[1223] But he was so big and so fucking strong that he won anyway.

[1224] Yeah.

[1225] You know who, you know what Bob Sapp reminds him when he goes down?

[1226] Bald Bull.

[1227] Do you remember the punch out?

[1228] Ball ball ball ball and his eye pop out and he'll curl up.

[1229] like this on his right side like that and his eye'll pop out the dude looks like bald bull whenever he goes down oh that's fucked up you see that because croak broke his eye socket remember that it fucked his eye up and then his eye looked weird after that remember bald bull man i'm serious that happens to do they get that eye socket break and then they develop that one weird eye oh yeah because of that and then they're still fighting that's when you know shit's real when one i moves the other one doesn't yeah that that's a problem yeah did marillo ninja have brain surgery what is the story with that i i have not heard anything because we know that you have have brain surgery and still fight today you can have some things done that actually it's not even like they have to clean something up like i know tago alves remember they had to insert like some crazy glue in his brain and yeah he would have a weak something or another there was some issue where they did like a micro surgery and then he was back to fighting like shortly thereafter which is really hard to wrap your fucking head around they were inserting glue into his dome and And then they're like, yeah, yeah, you're good to go.

[1230] Get back there and get fucking shinned in the head again.

[1231] Like we were saying before, that second generation, you're starting to go, so -and -so needs to hang that shit.

[1232] And Bobaloo!

[1233] Not that moment how's like, it's time to pack a month.

[1234] And it's hard for us who saw guys like that and worship guys like that.

[1235] Yeah, Bobaloo, for folks who don't know, has one of the scariest old -school Valley Tuto knockouts ever.

[1236] you remember brad coler yes remember we fought brad coler brad coler who had one of the best who looked like a rhino yeah was unbelievably muscular solid dude he had one of the best one punch chaos ever and that was an example that we were talking about before about a wrestler being able to generate that same double -ache takedown power into a punch and that's what brad didn't he i forget who the dude was it was it was he had tattoos on both of his arms was you sure was ufc i brad coler yeah definitely it was um I can't remember his name.

[1237] Tall dude, tattoos on both arms.

[1238] Yeah, he was really tatted up.

[1239] He was more of a jiu -jitsu guy.

[1240] More of a jitsu guy.

[1241] Yeah, and he was trying to get a hold of him, and he got leveled.

[1242] Well, Babelieu manhandled that dude.

[1243] He did.

[1244] He did.

[1245] He soccer kicked him back in the soccer kick days, and Babelu soccer kick him, like moved his whole body, like a foot when he kicked him.

[1246] It was just, it was one of the most brutal soccer kick chaos ever.

[1247] And Bobaloo, that's when he, like, first emerged onto the scene, man. And he was a dangerous motherfucker.

[1248] still is man you know he's been hit a bunch of times has been knocked out a bunch of times but you know anybody could lose if they get caught with spinning back fist like that that dude spun around and blasted him right behind the jaw i mean that that was a hard shot it was and he was still up after that shot yeah it was left hook that yeah he got dropped by the left hook but you know he's been in there with so many guys like think about like the chuck ladle two fights with chuck you know those those were crazy fights the thing the thing is that the loss has had have been some brutal ass knockouts mussozy who's an animal the Henderson is one of the most brutal you know when Henderson puts it on you dude that guy he that motherfucker has some of the most violent ground and pound it's like he capitalizes on these openings in ways that a lot of guys don't it's the suddenness to it like when he starts pounding on you you usually don't get up from that There's not a lot of guys who are going to absorb those shots and get up.

[1249] He can, Dan, can put some serious fucking horsepower behind those knuckles, man. I was really bummed out when they had to stop the John Jones -Henderson fight.

[1250] I was really, really bummed out because I'm so, especially during that time of his career, when John is, like, still sort of learning all the different aspects of MMA.

[1251] I mean, he's getting better every time you see him.

[1252] But if there's ever an opening for a veteran, a real crafty guy.

[1253] guy like Henderson to capitalize on a mistake or to open a door by setting some traps and open a door for him to land a punch, Dan Henderson knows how to put that fucking hand on you.

[1254] He knows how to do it.

[1255] He might not be technical in the sense of like Cyril Diabate who sets things up in that flowing sort of.

[1256] Doesn't throw a wide variety of punches.

[1257] There's an overhand right in a good left hook.

[1258] But if he hits you, you're Foxville.

[1259] And he does it in training a lot too.

[1260] It's not like, so he's developed a way to, that works with.

[1261] with his body type, with his style of fighting, and with his wrestling ability.

[1262] He's developed away.

[1263] You can't sleep on that.

[1264] I thought that was a very interesting first round really to see how the fight shapes up and whether or not John takes him down, if John gets on top of him and wears him out.

[1265] That's what I was wondering.

[1266] How would this play out?

[1267] And would he get clipped coming in?

[1268] Dan Henderson clips you.

[1269] I don't care who you are.

[1270] you got a really big problem on your hands.

[1271] And that is a career changer.

[1272] That shit's a career changer.

[1273] You know, like when he blasted out Fadar, everybody was like, holy shit.

[1274] That's it.

[1275] I mean, look, people have beaten Fador, and Bigfoot even stopped him in between rounds, but it was a brutal, slow beatdown, whereas Dan Henderson's was sudden and violent as fuck.

[1276] He ducks under and clips him with an uppercut under his armpit and just starches him, just stiffens him up, and then boom!

[1277] boom boom a couple hammers to the side of the head and it's over i mean when when dan gets you hurt he fucking jumps and they're never the same never the same a lot of the guys dan henderson fought yeah i think it was i mean crow cop probably beat the career out of vanderly but after in my opinion after the uh dan henderson fight when he lost his belt and pride that was pretty much it yeah vanderley was never that old vanderly again ever ever i think crocob beat the career at him crocops beat the career of him first of all when he first fought crocrop cor cop beat his body up with some of the most vicious fucking left kicks to the body remember that footprint yeah ribs his whole ribs were lit up but he was so inexperienced that his timing was a bit off he was worried about the takedown and they even instilled some weird law or rule rather where you can only fight on the ground for like 30 seconds yeah it was old mixed K1 yeah remember those old mixed K1s with pride and the rule was that if it no one got knocked out it would be a draw yeah so wound up being a draw but in the second fight you saw crow cop where he'd have quite a few MMA fights and quite a few days in the gym working on his sprawl and his takedown defense and that was when he was in his athletic time.

[1278] He was at his best.

[1279] He was at his best and when he fucking shinned him in the head man like oh geez and you saw a Vandalay just go backwards with his arms up in the air completely in Dreamland.

[1280] You know you're like whoa I didn't think we'd see Vandrelay like this when you see enough fights especially if somebody with a long career like Vandale or even Crocop any of the guys who would always say one fight where you kind of go that was it you know what I think that was the high point for him I think it's Mark Hunt really I think Mark Hunt heard him and he lost that fight where he thought he won that fight I thought he won that fight too I thought he won that fight but it was a close fight but Mark Hunt heard him knocked him down a couple times I think Mark Hunt took some of the wind out of his sales because Vandalee always thought of himself as a striker and that was the first time he faced a guy who was like ridiculously pedigreeed striker K1 Grand Prix champion.

[1281] And Mark Hunt, when they were standing, Mark Hunt was putting it on him.

[1282] And I think Van der Leyen realized in his head, like, I'm not even close to the best striker on Earth.

[1283] And I think that fight shattered his confidence a little bit.

[1284] Without confidence, a guy like Vanarly can't do any.

[1285] Yeah, because that was the first fight where we saw him, like, consistently not able to do what he wanted to do with his stand -up and getting teed off on.

[1286] He got tagged a couple of times.

[1287] Relied on his takedown a lot.

[1288] Yeah.

[1289] Which we never saw him before that.

[1290] He tried to turn it into an M .M .A. fight, and we thought from Van der Leigh that he would welcome a brawl, but he did not welcome a brawl with that guy.

[1291] And I think that was one of those fights where, you know, you look at like a guy operating like Vanderley did at so many RPMs.

[1292] Like, the folks have never seen Vanderlae's fights.

[1293] His name spelled Wanderley, W -A -N -D -E -R -E -I.

[1294] And he was, like, ridiculous...

[1295] The Axley -Smarter her was his nickname.

[1296] Yeah, the Axley -Named.

[1297] Yeah.

[1298] Does it Paredi that nicknamed him that?

[1299] I think so, yeah.

[1300] Peretti had a bunch of great nicknames.

[1301] Yeah.

[1302] But he, whoever it was, nicknamed him that, it was perfect, because he he would fight like a murderer.

[1303] He would just come charging at you like a fucking animal.

[1304] He scared this shit out of everybody being like, he was the most aggressive guy ever in a sport that's unbelievably aggressive.

[1305] From an aggressive camp.

[1306] Shootbox was moving for that.

[1307] And he was like the poster boy for shootbox.

[1308] Yeah, he was, when he was in his prime, he was insane.

[1309] Watch, if you want to watch him in his prime, watch Van der LeSilva versus Quentin Jackson in pride.

[1310] Yeah.

[1311] When you see Van der Leysilva versus Quentin in the UFC, he'd already been flatlined a couple times.

[1312] Crowed Copic, Catoed him, Dan Henderson.

[1313] and caoed him a fighter can only take so many shots to the head there's only so many you have in you and van der Ley eats up a lot of those in training you know like van der Leigh in training is going full blasts it's a problem with that sometimes that shoebox mentality you use all your juice up training sparring with guys this is you know yeah they would coo each other in training it's ridiculous they had a bet to see who would win a fight for a pit bull vanderlay wanted to buy a pit bull from Shogun and Shogun you know wanted too much money or whatever I heard this yeah they I thought.

[1314] Van der Leight knocked him out and took his pit bull.

[1315] He knocked his friend out for a fucking puppy.

[1316] That's shootbox, man. And even, you know, to this day, Shogun even talks about, you know, that kind of training that they don't do that anymore.

[1317] That kind of training is bad for the athletes.

[1318] So Shogun is not participating in that kind of training as much anymore.

[1319] I think harkening back to what we're talking about, it's a sport of athletes now, there's that the intelligence of we are professional athletes and I want to have a long career to make money.

[1320] It isn't so much the pride of the martial artist like it used to me, which has a ups and downs.

[1321] But part of the good side is they're athletes, and they think about their career, and they think about the long term of training and rest, and that wasn't always a factor, needless to say.

[1322] That's also the most important aspect of MMA for progress is analysis.

[1323] Analysis, objectivity, and intelligence, focus, dedication, hard work, and techniques.

[1324] Having all those in place, you have to be able to analyze what you need to change and what you need to adjust and what you need to put in and what you need to take out.

[1325] That's all technique.

[1326] That's being technical.

[1327] That's being intelligent.

[1328] And when you get to a point where you're ultimately technical, like a guy like Anderson Silva, his technique is so evolved and so far behind or so far ahead of everybody, that he can do nutty shit like stand with his back up against the cage and go, come on, come fight with me. And Stefan Bonner was so far beyond his reach in terms of technique that Anderson can get away with that kind of shit.

[1329] He just stand right in front of you.

[1330] Dodge your obvious punches.

[1331] There's a...

[1332] There's a point every fighter goes to that you don't want to go.

[1333] It's a dark place you've got to face sometimes to know here's the best and here's where I am.

[1334] And I'm not there and I'm never going to be there and that's how it is.

[1335] And you see every...

[1336] There are a lot of fighters.

[1337] The whole point of fighting, any athletic competition is to go, how good can I be at this?

[1338] How far can I get with everything I get?

[1339] There's a point where you go this far.

[1340] Yeah.

[1341] The Anderson Silva was the best and he's making me look like an idiot I am this far below That's a hard thing to see Because it's physically You know like everyone likes to say You can do anything you set your mind to Yeah sort of Unless John Jones is setting his mind To doing it too And then He ain't doing it alone dude Guess what You might not be able to do it Because John Jones might fuck you up You know you can say Well you want to be the champion You can go and set your mind Yeah John Jones is setting his mind to it too Okay And he's way ahead of you In the physical curve And that physical curve is so real.

[1342] And if you don't have the physical gifts to go along with the dedication and the athleticism and the training, most likely you're not going to be successful anymore.

[1343] We live in a different era now.

[1344] It's not as simple.

[1345] It's not as simple as the old days.

[1346] But the key to getting anything out of martial arts is to maximize what you're personally capable of and maximize your human potential.

[1347] It doesn't mean that everybody who gets into martial arts has to be a UFC or a Bellator champion.

[1348] That's fucking stupid.

[1349] Like, that's crazy.

[1350] So to think that, you know, it's sad that someone can't make a career as a UFC fighter.

[1351] No, most people can't make a career as a UFC fighter.

[1352] Not everyone can be champion.

[1353] Right.

[1354] Maybe you can.

[1355] Maybe you can.

[1356] Maybe it's a combination of you need to be prepared from the right point in your life in the correct way and managed in the right forms of competitions.

[1357] You experience defeat and you experience all the benefits.

[1358] of facing adversity, or you might not.

[1359] You might hurt your back.

[1360] You know, you might fuck your knee up and you can't compete anymore.

[1361] But you have to take whatever energy that allowed you to get very good at martial arts and use that in some other way and learn and let you develop tools.

[1362] You have a whole box full of shit that you've developed through overcoming adversity that the average person doesn't.

[1363] And you can apply that to anything you want.

[1364] Your sporting life is six to ten years, if you are real.

[1365] lucky if you are unless you're a Josh Barnett.

[1366] Unless you're Josh Barnett.

[1367] Or a Vitor.

[1368] Vitor knocks out Bisping and he started out 19 -19 -19 -97 and he's still at the top of the game.

[1369] It's amazing.

[1370] A long prime.

[1371] That's 13 years.

[1372] And he's a striker.

[1373] Which is even crazy.

[1374] It doesn't even make any sense so the guy could be that deep in the game, still keep his chin and still starch people on the regular basis.

[1375] And because he's had hand problems, you know, he's broken his hand like eight times.

[1376] He's moved to kicking people now.

[1377] He's head kicking people.

[1378] I mean, and with the same kind of speed.

[1379] Known as a puncher.

[1380] Yeah, it's crazy.

[1381] But the thing is, like, your athletic prime, unless you're a Brown Hopkins or something, is generally 10 years is a long time?

[1382] How much HGH is he taken?

[1383] Let's be honest.

[1384] There has to be some HGH in there.

[1385] A little testosterone cream.

[1386] Throwing that out there?

[1387] There's just, I don't see.

[1388] Unless he's some genetic freak specimen, but it doesn't make any sense anymore.

[1389] The fact that you'd be athletically competitive in his age.

[1390] Yeah.

[1391] I think the last guy to do it legit was George Foreman.

[1392] I think George Foreman, and I think George Foreman, and I know, want to cast aspersions on anybody for taking performance enhancing supplements, but we know that they do.

[1393] We know that they do.

[1394] It's 100 % that there are certain athletes, whether it's in boxing or in MMA or in whatever.

[1395] This Lance Armstrong thing, man, drives me fucking crazy.

[1396] I say that the real issue with Lance Armstrong was that he's a hypocrite and he's a douchebag.

[1397] And he was a douchebag to the people that were riding with him.

[1398] And he was a douchebag to the people that held his secrets about blood doping.

[1399] From everyone I've spoken to who's dealt with him.

[1400] Terrible human being.

[1401] He's a cunt.

[1402] So we all say that Lance Armstrong is a cunt.

[1403] But why is he illegit, and the other guys, are they legit?

[1404] Like, if you take away his title, who wins that thing?

[1405] Is there no winner of the Tour de France?

[1406] You know, they couldn't find anyone.

[1407] What happened was they went down, they had all dope too.

[1408] Yeah.

[1409] So they went, all right, so there's no winner for these seven years.

[1410] They said for the year 2000, you had to go all the way back to 10th place to a guy who is this Italian dude who had never been accused or thought of as a doper and never tested positive.

[1411] 10th place.

[1412] You have an illegitimate sport, man. And you know what some doctors say, ready for this?

[1413] They say that it's healthy to take EPO and to take blood transfusions and to take human growth hormone and take testosterone.

[1414] If you're going to do something like the Tour de France, because it's unhealthy to do it without those things.

[1415] You're telling your body to go way beyond its normal limits.

[1416] Yeah, way beyond.

[1417] Come on.

[1418] You're telling your body to go way beyond its normal.

[1419] and it's boring as fuck how about that that is you're riding a bike or riding a bike or riding a bike I'm sure it's thrilling I'm sure it's great to enforce your willpower and your determination and the amount of time you spent on the road just pushing and checking your heart rate monitor and to know that you're beating this guy with your discipline your hard work and your will to win and all that good however nobody wants to watch that shit you're riding a fucking bike okay you little kid get the fuck out of here bring bring Nobody's going to watch a sport where your bell sounds like this.

[1420] Bring, bring, bring, bring.

[1421] They do not have those bells on these bikes.

[1422] They do.

[1423] They all have those bells.

[1424] They totally should.

[1425] They should have baseball cards and their wheels.

[1426] And they should all have those bells.

[1427] Bring, bring.

[1428] You're a little child, Lance Armstrong.

[1429] But it's the old...

[1430] What's cheating if everybody's doing?

[1431] Yeah.

[1432] Everybody's doing.

[1433] What's cheating?

[1434] It becomes a real question.

[1435] Like, the real issue is, what is allowed?

[1436] Can you take vitamin?

[1437] Yes, you can.

[1438] Well, why can you take vitamins?

[1439] Why shouldn't you just get everything you need through your healthy diet?

[1440] Because what are you getting out of those vitamins?

[1441] If you're taking more vitamin C than you could ever get by eating food, is there a benefit in that?

[1442] What is it?

[1443] Is it show up athletically?

[1444] And why should you be able to do that?

[1445] I mean, I'm just using that as an example.

[1446] Right.

[1447] Well, there was some supplement that Mark McGuire, they found in his locker when he was doing baseball.

[1448] I don't know you guys remember this.

[1449] And Justine Diane.

[1450] Anderson, Diane.

[1451] I took that shit.

[1452] Somebody, an Olympic athlete, got banned for life for that stuff.

[1453] But baseball didn't recognize it as a banned substance, so he was taking it.

[1454] He was saying, I can totally take it.

[1455] They were called pro -hormones.

[1456] There was a bunch of them that totally worked legit.

[1457] One of them was called Mag 10, and they made this shit illegal.

[1458] Dude, this was fucking steroids.

[1459] It was steroids.

[1460] I took it.

[1461] My nipples hurt.

[1462] I got way bigger.

[1463] I gained like 10 pounds in no bullshit.

[1464] maybe two months for two months 10 pounds of muscle and it was amazing and you got it at gnc the only problem was when you got off that your dick said signara my dick was like dude i'm going to take about a month off before i start working it again inverted i was like i was i remember beating off with a half hard dick i'm like i haven't come in like four days and i still can't get a bower my dick was done for finished yeah it took a while took like it was like at least a couple of weeks before I felt like normal again because you were so elevated that your balls are like, what are you doing?

[1465] They're like, ah, nothing!

[1466] I just want to take it this stuff I fought at GSC.

[1467] But at GNC used to sell, they used to sell that date rape shit, GHB.

[1468] Yeah.

[1469] They used to, the stuff that people overdose on and people throw in girls' drinks and molest them, used to be able to buy that at GNC.

[1470] Like, GNC has had some legit shit there over the year.

[1471] that button i never took anything that was as strong as that mag 10 stuff that was amazing you did you had to take a lot of pills too like you couldn't be even remotely confused as to whether or not you were doing something healthy because you were taking like 10 of these foul pills a day it was like a lot of pills i'm like what is the oral toxicity of this stuff like what is what's it doing in my liver who cares i am jacked just make you giant so they got rid of that that became illegal which is a i think probably a good thing because anybody like me could just go in and buy it and like you know you don't know like if you're like an 18 year old guy and you take that stuff like I took it for what it's said to take on the package I took it for like six weeks or whatever it said to take but what if you're an idiot and what if you take it every day for a year and then all sudden you're you have like cancer like your body shuts down like you're you know you have like liver issues where you might have to get a transplant the whole point of prescription medication is that a doctor tells you how often to take it and you can only take it for a certain amount of time.

[1472] It's the whole point.

[1473] You shouldn't be able to just buy something in GNC that can jack you, you know?

[1474] It shouldn't be possible.

[1475] It should be like buying calcium.

[1476] Well, you take it.

[1477] What happens if you take too much?

[1478] I don't know.

[1479] You're going to be okay.

[1480] You know, like, who cares?

[1481] It doesn't do anything.

[1482] But if you take, like, some of those, like, mag -10 type things, like, you could shut your whole endocrine system down.

[1483] Yeah, your whole, your fucking pituitary glands, like, what are you doing, asshole?

[1484] Yeah.

[1485] Like, your body doesn't know what to do without.

[1486] Your gonads shrink.

[1487] Like, I know a dude who is maybe in his 30s, and he cannot have a child.

[1488] He's trying to have a child with his girlfriend and his wife now.

[1489] They can't have a child.

[1490] And so they went to the doctor, and the doctor said, dude, you have a sperm count of a 70 -year -old man. You just, you broke your dick.

[1491] You broke it.

[1492] It's all broken now.

[1493] Because he was all a bodybuilder when he was young.

[1494] Apparently, it was gigantic at one point.

[1495] The candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long.

[1496] but it's not even that's it dude no even a candle if you make yourself do something extraordinary you make your body go beyond its limits for too long it comes back way lower than it went in that's why it's fascinating the natural rule it's way it goes man to see bodybuilding change from like the what is his name reves day was that guy's George Rees or Steve Reeves who ever was back in the day yeah they mean they were like they were built like when you had comic books they were built like Heath Herring you know Charles Atlas Yeah, they were like solid, you know, powerful -looking men, but they weren't like these weird skin -tight, vascular freak alien -looking dudes that you see today where they, there's a picture of this guy flexing his ass, and his ass looks like, it looks like ropes.

[1497] It looks like someone's taken some giant, like, shipyard rope and made, like, an ass out of it.

[1498] like it's all corded and the guy has no body fat on it like it can't be healthy the guy probably can't even walk up a flight of stairs he's ready to die you know what i don't get about bodybuilding seriously i don't why the mentality of bodybuilding kind of is when is it okay i'm good because it's like fighting is my i train hard enough to beat this guy and if i did that i trained hard enough right if it's my ass doesn't look enough like a rope or whatever like when there's no clinical and the bar you can just do it for every yeah you're you're barking and just go up and up and up i don't get that well you go back and look at i don't understand at all arnold who was a fucking petri dish of chemicals yeah okay of like self -admitted yeah that he took steroids and you look at it when you see him but was nowhere near big enough to compete today i mean dorian yates guys yes giants dude all those guys just unbelievably big there's there's guys today that they don't even look real they don't look real so you look at Arnold back in the day when he was he was like more like a Greek god yeah leaned up yeah it was way lean but still filled with roids yeah it's like the the changing of the perspective of like what what we think of is a big muscular man like now it's like cartoonish unachievable shit it's like you saw like Franco colombo that's a perfect example like that is reachable I think without steroids I think with great genetics or Frank Zane even better example yeah Frank Zane was he's looked like a lean, athletic, muscular, well -proportioned guy.

[1499] He looked achievable.

[1500] He had a normal -sized neck.

[1501] He had a normal -sized set of shoulders.

[1502] It was achievable.

[1503] Whereas a guy like Dorian Yates looked like he was going to explode.

[1504] A monster looked like the Hulk, dude.

[1505] Yeah, he just looked like the Hulk.

[1506] It's going to explode on stage, flexing.

[1507] You know what sport freaks me out of all the crazy shit I have seen in MMA, combat sports, I can't watch powerlifting.

[1508] Oh, because I just...

[1509] Wait for that moment, which does happen sometimes when the knee just explodes like a hand grenade, man. When these guys are power cleaning, like, just ungodly weight, and your back just goes, bing!

[1510] It just turns to powder, like, you're done.

[1511] I posted this.

[1512] When it goes bad, it goes so bad.

[1513] I cannot watch it.

[1514] It's horrible to watch any, any, if you've, especially if you've had an injury.

[1515] World strongest man on ESPN at like two in the morning when they, like, pull it.

[1516] They drop a barrel in their head, the trot over the fucking cliff, and it lands in their head.

[1517] It's so bad.

[1518] I posted a thread on the underground about ralphing.

[1519] Like, if anybody had back issues, I was saying, I'm having some success with this.

[1520] She's tried out.

[1521] And someone posted an animated gif of this kid, really skinny kid, and he gets into a Smith machine, he's got all this weight on, and he curls it back to, like, release it, and then drop straight down on his neck.

[1522] Like, he's like, knee is touching face and the bar is on top of his neck.

[1523] I don't even know if he lived.

[1524] It's horrific to watch.

[1525] but these motherfuckers they post that in these threads and they don't even let you know if they're going to post something like that so you're like scroll down and then you're like what and then it changes your dead kind of like this video oh yeah this is the video the Bulgarian guy who was a politician someone tried to assassinate him yeah check this out yeah oh my god the gun jammed he stepped up put the gun to his face wow that guy Dude, that guy had some crazy eyes, man I know Look at this guy's eyes It's right here We tried to reload it And it tried to unjammed, it didn't work And then they played Let's beat the guy up for the next hour Yo, man And look how calm the guy swats away the gun Oh, they beat him up for an hour They're just, all these old men are just like Fucking beating the fuck out of them What are they saying?

[1526] I wish I knew what they're saying I think the translation is kick him something like that kick him wow kick him love Bulgaria all of a sudden I want to move and I think this is a peace conference I would love that they had that in America they just said kick his ass see I would not be able to stop myself from breaking his arms yeah I got a dude's arm back there and he just tried assassinate someone I'm gonna I'm gonna double in that breaking that shoulder I'm snapping your shit apart they're pulling his pants down and they're gonna shove something up his I would shoot him in the asshole right in the asshole take his gun what was you giving him a wedge I would take his gun and shoot him in the asshole on TV.

[1527] I'm like, we're all cool with this, right?

[1528] I'm just going to shoot him in his asshole.

[1529] Right up through the asshole.

[1530] How many people have died that way?

[1531] Probably a lot.

[1532] Like, how many guys have stopped?

[1533] What's your definition of a lot?

[1534] More than a million?

[1535] The time that we've had guns.

[1536] Millions a lot.

[1537] Millions a lot.

[1538] More than a hundred?

[1539] That's crazy.

[1540] That dude, and the old dude attacked him.

[1541] He didn't just stand there.

[1542] But he went with the push.

[1543] It would have been great if he caoed him.

[1544] How about the old dude head kicks from right here?

[1545] That is awesome.

[1546] Touches the gun with his left and then fucking Leota Machita's him with the right high -kick.

[1547] That is some great security, by the way.

[1548] At whatever country that is, you can walk up to a guy giving a speech and put a gun to his hand.

[1549] Where were they?

[1550] That's an outstanding secret service.

[1551] Walter P .B .K. A little tiny -ass gun.

[1552] Yeah, that was a little fucking banana republic right there.

[1553] That is hilarious, man. If the guy shot him, he would be king.

[1554] Yeah, that's how it works.

[1555] All right, you got me. You got me. You're the king.

[1556] And they give him the sword.

[1557] the throne made out of molten swords like just like Game of Thrones It has to be a Game of Thrones reference Yeah you ever see that show Anybody?

[1558] No no no never do I never watched TV I'm on TV every week I never watch TV Really?

[1559] You don't watch anything but you're on TV for fights You don't watch like history channel Swamp people you never seen Swamp people Dude I just don't watch a lot of TV man I'm fascinated by reality shows where people live in somewhere fucked up like I'm fascinated by people that have to do with nature all the time Well, the problem is my wife's a reality TV producer.

[1560] So I just hear the backstory of, like, all the bullshit that's not true.

[1561] Oh, yeah.

[1562] You know.

[1563] But they really are killing those alligators on swamp people.

[1564] You can't get around that.

[1565] Can I get around that?

[1566] And I don't like alligators.

[1567] I've never liked alligators.

[1568] Who, like, like, like...

[1569] Like, I mean...

[1570] You know, I think that people are fascinated by all these animals, but I would just rather have them all dead.

[1571] Pro extinction is...

[1572] I think they make good bags and shit, you know, but they're cunts.

[1573] They're cunty old dinosaurs If they were everywhere We'd be fucked This is my thought about dinosaurs Okay If we had dinosaurs Roaming our streets We'd be fucked We don't want dinosaurs It's cool that we know What they used to look like But we don't want it back Alligators are fucking dinosaurs They eat people There was a guy who was running It's a great story actually A guy was running from the cops Two years ago He was in a high speed chase Pull the car over the side of road jumps off Because there's water Like he's like at a bridge And jumps off in the water Lands right next to an alligator The alligator eats them right in front of the cop instantly.

[1574] The guy lands in the water, shocks the alligator grabs them under gator roll of death, right in front of the cops.

[1575] It's like a goddamn Clint Eastwood movie.

[1576] So in that sense, I like the alligator.

[1577] A little Indiana Jones, Temple of Doom action.

[1578] In that sense, it's cool to have it would be cool to have a moat.

[1579] If you had a big giant house and a moat filled with, but you'd want crocodiles.

[1580] But then you can't trussles, cunt to stay in the moat.

[1581] They'll come out and jack you.

[1582] Yeah, dude.

[1583] You got to provide them with...

[1584] Down in Miami and Florida.

[1585] Every down in the backyard and they'll eat dog or something yeah yeah they'd crawl out a swamp and like drag a little kid drown them oh yeah well i lived in florida and i didn't see it but i was there when a lady got her uh dog eating snapped it right off the leash she had a poodle poodle went to the water to get some you know get a little drink and the fucking alligator just like bitch what they do man just took them right into the water no i didn't hear of a person dying but that's just because they didn't fuck up i mean if you fuck up it out it's not like an alligator like doesn't want to eat you like they think people are kind of nice to me you know it's like your your reality is they don't understand that at all they'll eat anything that stands still on there's a there's a there's a i was down in louisiana and i went to a gator farm and they said there's a like they call a one foot rule an alligator will eat anything a foot bigger than it is if you're bigger than that it can't swallow you so it doesn't really attack you but if you're if it's five foot and you're six foot it will eat you which is just crazy to think about because i saw a lot of five foot alligators I saw a lot of them Even creepier than an alligator is the Komoto dragon You know, I remember Poisonous bite Yeah, it's super toxic You remember what the fuck is her name from The Sharon Stone Yeah, Sharon Stone, basic instinct Yeah, basic instinct Her husband got bitten the foot Yes, by a Komoto dragon This dumbass went into a Komoto dragon cage Barefoot with socks on And they saw the white sock And they thought it was a rabbit because they feed them rabbits.

[1586] That was it.

[1587] So he jumped on his foot, clamped down.

[1588] He's a fucking real live dinosaur.

[1589] It's 20 feet long, okay?

[1590] These are the biggest lizards on the planet Earth.

[1591] And, by the way, it's got botulism and its saliva.

[1592] Yeah.

[1593] It's got unbelievably toxic saliva, so much so that they kill animals by biting them and then following them.

[1594] They wait around until they die.

[1595] Yeah.

[1596] It's horrible to watch.

[1597] There's a water buffalo video where they do that.

[1598] This Komono Dragon sneaks up behind this water buffalo and just gets it on the leg.

[1599] just a little and the water buffalo gets away a little bit and then you see him like oh shit and they see him trying to get away a little more and it's like oh shit and then later on they edit the video and the kimono dragon just eating its guts just pulling chunks of meat off of its carcass and like you know as as an athlete i don't need that as a guy who trains and and let's say percentage wise myself and joe rogan can beat up 99 % of people walking around on the street anybody smaller than me that doesn't know how to fight you would fuck him up right so if you're not paying attention exactly now and you don't have the alligator we're screwed and you have a cold screwed comoto dragon yeah we're fucked you're fucked you're fucked you're fucked you're so screwed a shark a friend of mine was surfing uh down linton beach saw a 14 foot tiger shark and he goes it went underneath my board and he's a good fighter man and he goes i was like i'm screwed if that thing just turns me and goes yeah i think i'll eat him i'm screwed just let me try it that is the scary part of the of the natural kingdom human beings are not designed to take on very many animals especially in our ocean man you can't even oh man you can't do anything you might be able to fight off a mountain line if you kick him in the dick or something crazy you know you might be I think they'll just piss him off dude you might be able to arm drag him get through the back matalio you might you might that's what's for it can you can you choke a lion for real I don't know but I mean if you scrap with him enough where he thinks it might be an issue he might run away but sharks aren't going to run away stupid they're going to eat you a lot tiger's not going to run away dude no way he's going to eat you Tigers are 1 million in O against people No one's ever won They are undefeated in a fair fight Did you see that natural juagraq video With the guys on an elephant And you don't see anything You're looking at all this grass And they're looking for a tiger They'd killed some people, whatever And you don't see anything Yeah And that thing leaped And I've been on the back of an elephant Before in India You're high It doesn't occur to you Someone could jump up there and get you And it slashes that dude's arm severely Yeah he got fucked up You got fucked up But he stayed on the lion like a gangster or it stayed on the elephant being gangster that thing well that that saved his life dude yeah yeah pull that video up because the tiger leaps onto India it's in India well let's see what happens that video will why then the video's not that national two graphics all top of that shit I don't go fuck pull it up whatever it is I want to see it right now let's find out yeah YouTube's been yanking out you know what's hilarious but YouTube YouTube will take our videos down because we just started uploading them to YouTube if we use videos that are from YouTube.

[1600] So that's like YouTube eating itself.

[1601] I'm a little confused.

[1602] It's like a snake hitting its own tail.

[1603] For a copyright issue, if you use a video that you got from YouTube and then you upload that to YouTube, YouTube is like, you are infringing on someone's copyright.

[1604] And you're like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

[1605] That's your copyright.

[1606] It's your shit.

[1607] I got it from your site.

[1608] What is happening here?

[1609] Or are you kind of the snitch?

[1610] Or is letting them know that there's copyrighted material on that.

[1611] I don't think so.

[1612] I don't think that what the issue is that's weird because otherwise they would know that it's there from them because they're getting it through some sort of a bot the way they get it to you from you is like they they like send out this bot or you know have some program rather that analyzes all the youtube videos and finds out whether or not there's music in them find out and when it is just this is copyright and stuff you can't we're not going to get sued because we let you upload that shit so you figured once they have something that's on youtube and they keep it on YouTube, well, that's, you know, that's, they've already got that.

[1613] That's, that's on their site.

[1614] So if you show it on their side as well, it shouldn't be an issue at all.

[1615] Right.

[1616] But apparently it is.

[1617] That's crazy.

[1618] It was crazy because that one song that we played didn't get taken down.

[1619] The Michael Jackson one?

[1620] Yeah.

[1621] No, no, no. The, remember the two guys dancing in the street, Mick Jagger.

[1622] Oh, yeah, that didn't get taken down?

[1623] That, that, that's what got us.

[1624] That's what's got us, but not because of the music, because I guess family guy had that in an episode, that video in the episode so that it got taken down for family guy are you kidding me they must have bought the rights to that video if you haven't seen that it is I forgot how gay it is the gay's jigger ever and and and fucking David Bowie got it was so bad it was unbelievable but I couldn't believe that anybody would think that that would be like oh here's the tiger again went there to tranquil oh look at this fucking thing running unfortunately see me look at us and long look at it flying up to this So one of our Mahort, Jacked his arm, bad, man. Whoa, he's messed his fingers.

[1625] Now he has recovered.

[1626] Oh, dude, it bit his fingers off, man. You see that shit?

[1627] His hand is like missing a shot.

[1628] Look, look, there's a shot where you don't see anything.

[1629] There's some shot coming out.

[1630] I think is where you don't see, look at you're looking at all this grass.

[1631] There's nothing there.

[1632] And then it just comes out.

[1633] And it's like, you're done.

[1634] That thing bit off half of that dude's hand.

[1635] Imagine that thing coming at you when you're not on an elephant.

[1636] You just screwed.

[1637] Kiss your ass goodbye.

[1638] It's amazing that it gave up.

[1639] It bit off half of his hand and then gave up.

[1640] Doesn't like Curry.

[1641] Look at this.

[1642] Oh, you son of his son of a bitch.

[1643] Look at this.

[1644] Oh, that's so racist.

[1645] Look at it.

[1646] It just bites off his fucking fingers, son.

[1647] Ow.

[1648] Ridiculous.

[1649] And it could have just as easily done that to his head.

[1650] Oh, yeah.

[1651] I mean, they are such frightening animals, man. And the amount of people in India that's been killed by them is staph.

[1652] I was in India doing a fight quest and they, we're near this river.

[1653] and or one of this like stream thing and the guy turns around and goes oh I would stay away from skiing mini cobras mini corbras and I'm like okay I'm gonna be over here like cobras like oh there's a mouse in my basement like oh there's a rat in my basement it's like oh there's a cobra in my basement how many people die of cobras are over here a freaking lot because they were like I was near the stream and they went oh many corbos there yesterday was cobra I was like I am out out dude the sunder bands is an area in india where 300 ,000 people over the last 200 years been killed by tigers.

[1654] I'm not even close.

[1655] Since they started keeping track.

[1656] When they started realizing their deliciousness, 300 ,000 people over 200 years.

[1657] That just makes my fucking head hurt, man. That really makes my head hurt.

[1658] Like, what are you guys doing?

[1659] That is a population of a medium -sized city.

[1660] Yeah, that's a lot of people to give up to animals.

[1661] Like Long Beach has like 500 ,000 people.

[1662] But meanwhile, they're like still like try to like keep those things alive.

[1663] You know, they work on conservation.

[1664] They do, man. They do.

[1665] They do.

[1666] They have like a. a census team for tigers and these guys have to go with these special helmets on with masks on the back of them because the tigers don't like to sneak up on you or they like to sneak up on you rather so they put a mask on the back of their head these poor fucks are wandering around in tall grass that is the worst job ever think about that tiger in the tall grass how it ran it was running through the tall grass and we couldn't say it from above they had no shot imagine if you're on the ground and the grass is higher than your head and you're there with two other dudes who have rifles have you heard anything Yeah.

[1667] Buddy, what is that noise?

[1668] Yes.

[1669] What is that noise?

[1670] I hear that branched up.

[1671] And you see it.

[1672] This is the last thing you hear.

[1673] And you're like, oh no. It's a giant orange and white monster that can fly.

[1674] Done.

[1675] And I'm going to try to, like, shoot it with a little rifle.

[1676] Get off a shot before it mauls me and my friends.

[1677] And what would you do if it just dove on your friend right in front of it?

[1678] You would be so freaked out.

[1679] Would you even be able to operate that bolt?

[1680] would you even be able to pull that trigger Joe your ass would be gone bro if I'm walking with Joe Rogan and I get bitten by a tiger leaps out of the tall grass Joe Rogan's out he's doing mental math going it's probably take him four minutes to eat Jimmy yeah I'm saying four minutes maybe and I don't want to run a muscle mass there so I'm just going to slowly walk away how far away can I walk in four minutes is what your head is saying you don't want insult his intelligence either though you want the tiger to go bitch you don't think I know you're running right yeah maybe he'll respect you more if you just actually try to save yourself and just actually run.

[1681] Would you actually whistle?

[1682] No. He's like, hey, just going to back up?

[1683] Just going to back up?

[1684] You're going to do the Diaz?

[1685] I don't know if that would have you had that particular.

[1686] I wonder if bear spray would work on a tiger, like that bear mace, that fucking hot pepper spray?

[1687] I think it would just piss him the fuck off, man. That's the last thing you want.

[1688] He starts eating you dick first.

[1689] Just outrun your friend.

[1690] Just the only thing.

[1691] The only method of getting out of a tiger's eyes, outrun your friend.

[1692] Outrun whoever you're with.

[1693] Lease of a tiger kills you, they'll just kill you.

[1694] There's a lot of animals that would just fuck you up.

[1695] Like, if you get attacked by chimps, they're going to rip you to pieces.

[1696] Yeah, they're going to, they're not, they might not even kill you.

[1697] You might die, but they're just going to torture you and rip you apart, you know?

[1698] You know, a chimpanzee is seven times stronger than a human?

[1699] I don't want to know that.

[1700] Seven times stronger.

[1701] I did a thing with a chimp once, and it was a baby, and it was really weird.

[1702] It was only like two years old, but it was like on my back and shit, and he was, like, hitting me. It was for news radio.

[1703] Yeah.

[1704] I don't even think we wound up using it.

[1705] But the chimp, like, swatted me on the back.

[1706] I was like, this little baby, and I was feeling.

[1707] I'm like, man, they're so, they're so singing.

[1708] And then I was like, man, I'm so soft.

[1709] I'm so mushy.

[1710] Like, in comparison to him, like, he was sinewy.

[1711] It's like, they're made out of a different thing.

[1712] And he was still a little sweetie.

[1713] You know, he was like a little, he would hug you and stuff.

[1714] And he was, he was a baby, basically.

[1715] But he was already getting ridiculously strong.

[1716] I used to do a show called American Ninja Warrior, which is that, that thing used to be on G4.

[1717] Is that the thing where it's like the obstacle courses?

[1718] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1719] Parkour competition.

[1720] And one thing we always said, me and the co. I'm like, God, I'd love to see a chimp go through this.

[1721] It would almost be insulting.

[1722] Just watching chimpanzees to fly through this.

[1723] All these human beings are falling and can't do it.

[1724] Well, they did that with Navy SEALs.

[1725] Did you ever see that thing they did?

[1726] They did a show, like, it was like man versus nature.

[1727] Well, they did like a dude with sprint next to a giraffe, a giraffe would sprint.

[1728] But they did a chimp.

[1729] We look pathetic.

[1730] Yeah.

[1731] They did a chimp and a Navy SEAL.

[1732] And I think that, dude, I don't know who fucking won.

[1733] I think the chimp might have got bored somewhere along the way and not figure it out what the fucking was.

[1734] wouldn't be motivated and like i feel like the chimp one but i'm not sure it's not important for us i just feel like they just if they knew what you were trying to do like you know like they know are you serious like you were you really trying to go as hard as you can oh okay oh i thought we were playing man like totally they understand it's hard to motivate animals to do certain shit yeah like why would he go like to go as hard as he can for survival sake like why would he do that well you're essentially doing that if you're like on your mom get set go you're going with every fucking fiber you're being and this chimp is just kind of like lazy swinging whatever he wants to do does he understand competition no all understands the survival there are two people going for a it's food yeah it knows to outrun that thing yeah he might know that he has to get there faster than you to get a cookie or some shit you have to somehow train it to do that yeah because otherwise you're not going to really see what he could do it otherwise he would get off the fucking ladder and beat your ass compared to compared to the animal kingdom we are physically pathetic yeah you're lucky that chimp does We're physically pathetic.

[1735] If you want to really talk shit, he'll like, why are we swinging?

[1736] I just come over there and bite your fingers off, motherfuckers.

[1737] That was one good thing about that, the most recent Planet of the Apes.

[1738] Yeah.

[1739] They were kind of realistic about the chimp behavior.

[1740] Yeah.

[1741] And the chimp holds that dude down and bites his finger off.

[1742] Yeah.

[1743] That's what they do.

[1744] That's kind of their thing.

[1745] Yeah.

[1746] That's the real move.

[1747] Screw that, man. What a fucking creepy out.

[1748] Pull your dick off, pull your feet off.

[1749] Pull your nose off.

[1750] They don't even try to kill you.

[1751] At least a tiger just kills you.

[1752] straight away and they'll eat you yeah okay so you go to some use chimp will probably eat you they're hungry right chimpanzee they're not meat eaters i don't think oh yeah they eat monkeys a chimp yeah what size chimp would eat a monkey you never seen that i've never seen that i've never seen that you got to see this pull up oh i've been around orangutans i'm thinking orangutans i'm not thinking chimpanzees pull this up oh oh yeah i don't think orangutans or uh yeah chimps chimp's one of their favorite dishes is monkey wow they eat them alive man that's what's fucked up They don't even kill them.

[1753] They eat them, like, hip first.

[1754] They, like, grab them by the body.

[1755] Oh, that sucks.

[1756] They tried to get me, they tried to give me those gross stuff on Fight Quest, which I didn't mind doing it.

[1757] I'll eat gross stuff.

[1758] It doesn't matter of me. Like, what kind of shit they try to eat?

[1759] Like Balut in the Philippines and, like, you know, sheep cuts.

[1760] We served that on Fear Factor, and my Filipino friends were like, that's a delicacy, bring it over here.

[1761] It was awesome.

[1762] Right, and then, so one thing they wanted to eat was in Korea, they have you eat live octopus.

[1763] So the octopus is, like, fighting and trying to get out of your mouth.

[1764] That's just cruel.

[1765] Like, I don't mind.

[1766] I love octopus, but I'm not going to eat something that's physically fighting me and striving to stay alive and shit.

[1767] I always love octopus sushi until I found out that most of it's cooked.

[1768] Yeah, most of it's cooked.

[1769] I didn't know that.

[1770] I thought, like, they would tell you if it's sushi, they would tell you if it's cooked.

[1771] Most of it's good, thank.

[1772] My friend was Greek, and they cook their octopus and do all stuff, and it's amazing.

[1773] Grilled it.

[1774] Yeah, octopus are smart as fuck.

[1775] A lot of people who get kind of bummed out of people killing octopus, because octopus have, like, a really high level of intelligence.

[1776] Makes them delicious.

[1777] Whatever it is, makes them delicious.

[1778] Maybe it's all that intelligence.

[1779] Maybe they'd be smarter if they had bones, okay?

[1780] Yeah.

[1781] So this is, these chimps set up this.

[1782] See, these are like infrared?

[1783] See what's going on?

[1784] It's like, if they back it up, they chase these chimps down, or these chimps chase these monkeys down and cut them off at the pass.

[1785] And then watch, they're all screaming while they have this.

[1786] And watch how they eat it, man. They eat this little monkey alive.

[1787] They got a hold of them, and they just start pulling it apart.

[1788] These dudes are running to try to film this.

[1789] because it's like the first time that anybody had ever observed this.

[1790] Back before they observed this, they thought that chimps were just eating berries.

[1791] They never knew that they ate monkeys.

[1792] Did you see it, that part, where he tears them apart?

[1793] It didn't show it.

[1794] It didn't show it on that one?

[1795] That was a censored one.

[1796] There's the same video, there's the full version of it.

[1797] He's like, fried chicken.

[1798] He's grabbing it, and the monkey's like going like this.

[1799] Oh, shit!

[1800] And he's literally eating him hip first.

[1801] Yeah, that sucks.

[1802] They're mean, man. They're mean little motherfuckers.

[1803] And they'll kick your ass.

[1804] Well, they're closely related to us.

[1805] Yeah, I -explains a lot.

[1806] I wonder if during, like, the Roman days, they ever had human versus chimp fights.

[1807] I do have a history degree.

[1808] I do not remember reading.

[1809] It's humans versus lions a lot.

[1810] They would put humans versus various, you know, wild animals.

[1811] When people fought against lions, I don't think chimps, whatever.

[1812] What would they let them use?

[1813] From things that I've seen, they would have, like, like, a pike -type.

[1814] weapons like a war on yeah spear type stuff yeah what about it was fucking fucked up where people the romans actually made the asian line the north there was a european lion at one point and it's extinct now they made it they took so many of them and used them for various purposes that they're they're extinct they there was a european line in south europe and now it's gone this is the full version where you're going to see the chimp tear it apart they start screaming and yelling and making noises and all the other ones they they run in and watch how they're pulling this fucking monkey apart they're just ripping this thing apart this is a different video because this one is on the ground the most disturbing one was the yeah look at him eating the fucking monkey the most disturbing one was there was a video of the monkey in the tree and the chimp has the monkey up in the tree and he's tearing apart while he's up there and it's like whoa you see the monkey's face going fuck they're so close to people you know their little monkey face like you really feel bad for you really feel bad when it's getting its limbs ripped off and they're getting eaten by another thing that has sort of a people face yeah you know it's like whoa this is the closest animal to us people people i think have a very kind of disney view of nature in many ways and and it doesn't work that way man it is vicious human beings are vicious too but yeah i've been talking about that in my act recently about because someone got mad at me for i don't have a jacket with me but i had a fake fur jacket on and some woman actually said said that i i don't like what your jacket represents and i was like it's fake fur she goes well i don't like what i don't like what it represents and i was like killing fake animals i was like i started talking about this on stage because it really is true it's weird it's crazy like this is not a real it's a wookie like this is not a real animal but the the idea is that you shouldn't wear fur well do you know what happens to animals if you don't kill them if the human doesn't turn them into fur they get eaten by wolves generally speaking they get eaten alive by wool they get ripped apart guts first they chew them apart and then they eat them and they eat their feet and they eat their head and then they shit them out in a big knot of fur and hair teeth and shit and that's what happens to you if you don't get turned into a jacket there's our idea that these yeah these beautiful wooded creatures are then taken and turned into terrible things that people wear and it's a gaudy representation of our cruelty okay you'd rather get eaten by a wolf well the thing there's a great there's a great book called the omnivore's dilemma and it's about you know this guy tries you know it's about food and where food comes from and he goes hunting and he kills a pig and he eats it and he goes he goes the he goes i felt bad and then i realized because he wasn't a hunter guy like and i kind of grew up my family hunts and stuff and uh he goes the death that that pig died instantly which is a way better death than it's ever going to get in the wild ever by some animal either tearing it apart Or it gets old and gets some disease and rots from the inside.

[1815] That's a comparatively pleasant death.

[1816] Or, by the way, it gets eaten by pigs.

[1817] Yeah.

[1818] How about that?

[1819] If you're fucking, if pigs are hungry and a pig dies, they'll just cannibalize the fuck out of you.

[1820] It's a cruel world.

[1821] To cruel world.

[1822] Many times people falling into pig pens and been eaten by pigs.

[1823] They found a farmer recently.

[1824] They don't know if he had a heart attack or what happened, but they were looking for them.

[1825] They found his fucking clothes in the pig pan, ripped apart and covered in blood.

[1826] Yeah, that's a pig.

[1827] Pigs can go fuck themselves.

[1828] Every pig.

[1829] Yes.

[1830] Oh, my God.

[1831] That's one of the greatest.

[1832] That guy was an awesome.

[1833] Brits up.

[1834] With his fucking crazy glasses.

[1835] This is shit.

[1836] Hence the term greedy like a pig.

[1837] It's awesome.

[1838] He drinking his English tea.

[1839] Yeah, that was a great fucking movie about English gangsters and fighting and pigs.

[1840] Such a romantic thing.

[1841] It's kind of a funny thing.

[1842] Have you met Jason Statham?

[1843] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1844] I met him in the U .S. He's had a lot of fights.

[1845] He was in Affliction when I did the Affliction fights.

[1846] Yeah, he loves.

[1847] fights.

[1848] He's one of those dudes that plays very, very nice guy.

[1849] He's one of those dudes that plays the same cat in every fucking movie.

[1850] Over and over.

[1851] I'm Brody into kick ass.

[1852] He's like this Parker movie that looks like every other movie he does.

[1853] You know, some people, there's some actors, man, who just find that niche and go, all right, I'm always going to be that guy.

[1854] I'm just going to play that guy forever many years.

[1855] Yeah, that's it.

[1856] I'm not diversifying.

[1857] I'm just, this is my niche.

[1858] I'm going to run with it.

[1859] Yeah, Eddie Bravo was going, you know what's important about him, though?

[1860] He's a action hero.

[1861] He's a second.

[1862] symbol and he's bald he goes we need more of that shit touche too shay it was really funny it's true he's like the first guy with like a receiving hair line in years to pull that shit off oh yeah i wonder how he was like how did he do it but other guys couldn't do it you know like bert reynolds couldn't do it like why didn't burt reynolds realized that he couldn't do it yeah i've been shamed my hair i don't like my hair there's nothing to do with any like i have curly hair so i don't like it i do maybe see the godfather now when you have sunny that's what i look like how does that affect the pubes.

[1863] Brian, you'd be an extra burden of this.

[1864] What?

[1865] When you have curly hair, how does it affect the pubs?

[1866] Are they extra curly?

[1867] I don't know.

[1868] Do they, you know, because your pubs are almost always curly anyway, if you have straight hair.

[1869] Like, my hair is pretty straight, but my boobs.

[1870] No significant difference.

[1871] No significant difference.

[1872] No significant difference.

[1873] Black people got it weird with the pubs.

[1874] It's like, wow.

[1875] That's craziness.

[1876] Did you see Django?

[1877] Yes.

[1878] Jamie Fox's junk exposed to the world when he's about to get his nuts cut off of the end?

[1879] Oh, that's right.

[1880] Yeah, they grabbed them and they were pitching his nuts.

[1881] You think those are real or were those latexies?

[1882] You know, I've had like 10 people ask me that.

[1883] You think it was a real one walking out of the movie?

[1884] And I'm like, probably?

[1885] Unless you had some particular objection.

[1886] Oh, yeah, every dude was holding his nuts in the theater.

[1887] By the way, very realistic.

[1888] That's what they used to do to people.

[1889] Yeah, they did.

[1890] They did.

[1891] It sucks.

[1892] That's really fucked up when you really think that that was only a couple hundred years ago.

[1893] Yeah.

[1894] Yeah, really ridiculous.

[1895] It's like, really?

[1896] Yeah.

[1897] Not even.

[1898] Not even 200 years ago.

[1899] Really?

[1900] What the fuck, man?

[1901] Yeah.

[1902] Like, what a wacky, fucking species human beings are?

[1903] I have, my grandfather was really, really old when I married my grandmother.

[1904] He was, like, 50, in his mid -50s, and she was 17 when I got married.

[1905] Okay.

[1906] Yeah, my dad's dad.

[1907] So, my dad's dad was born in, like, 1880.

[1908] Whoa.

[1909] His parents could have owned slaves.

[1910] That's my great -grandfather.

[1911] Wow.

[1912] Now, it's weird because there's a big age gap in my family, but my great -grandfather could have been that movie.

[1913] Were they from America back then?

[1914] Kentucky.

[1915] They'd been in the hills of Kentucky for, like, forever.

[1916] Now, my family was poor.

[1917] shit so maybe they had a cheap slave they must look my family poor my family was like sharecropping uh not not not not the plantation owning family my family no kentucky's a strange place man you telling me it's so strange that the they call the Cincinnati airport but it's in kentucky yeah yeah they don't want to call it the kentucky airport because kentucky's got such like a low opinion people have such a low opinion of kentucky that's right they call the airport the Cincinnati air my dad's so i can say it but it's in kentucky that it's like you land in in kentucky and they call the cincinnati airport and then you have to drive to cincinnati like why are you pretending that this shit is going down in cincinnati like you have a border and this is your border but i guess the land's cheaper to put a fucking airport in kentucky must have man and then they just said let's just call the cincinnati airport fuck it we that's ridiculous yeah well it's because there's a massive insecurity with that state that state has always thought of banjos and you know you see that same movie lawless with uh the the moonshiners you just child of the buff in there no good that's my family oh yeah it's about moonshiner's your family was like bow and luke big time moonshiner's and like you know and when my dad always told me it's really true and i've carried this with me a long time he goes uh people idealized country life it's violent as shit it was really violent back there it was people had a problem you killed the other guy he buried him in the woods and that was it that happened all the time it was it having all the time because people thinking you know this ideal it country stuff he goes the people had a problem you know one guy disappeared and that was the way it went yeah beef to go back like 50 years and stuff that's that's where my dad's from Did you see that movie, Winter's Bone?

[1918] I have not.

[1919] I heard it was good, though.

[1920] It's that chick from The Crying Game, or the Hunger Games, rather?

[1921] Yeah, yeah.

[1922] Crying Game.

[1923] He's one of the guy who has a dick, right?

[1924] Girl.

[1925] Yes.

[1926] It's a really fucking creepy movie about the South, about a guy who turns up missing, and then the police are looking for them, and they, you know, I don't want to give away anybody, but it was a really fucking good movie.

[1927] And about that, about how, you know, this is our idealized view of, oh, just good old country folks.

[1928] Like, no, there are a lot of people smoking meth, And there's a lot of people that disappear.

[1929] Yeah.

[1930] And you're not going to find them either, by the way.

[1931] It's fucking crocodiles out there.

[1932] And there's, you know, I mean, how many, like, drop a body off in the Everglades.

[1933] Who's going to find anything?

[1934] How are you going to find a body in the Everglades?

[1935] If you have terrible, terrible luck, some alligator hunters will come by your floating corpse.

[1936] Yeah.

[1937] And then they'll call the cops.

[1938] But most likely, they're going to eat that thing.

[1939] You're done.

[1940] The stories I saw in that movie, I was like, God, my dad told me the exact same stories.

[1941] cousins and shit.

[1942] Yeah, it's violent back to that.

[1943] Isn't it amazing, too, that all that shit came about back when alcohol was illegal?

[1944] That's where all that...

[1945] That's where everything came from.

[1946] Yeah.

[1947] All that organized crime, Al Capone type of shit.

[1948] You know, that was the birth of the criminal empire in this country.

[1949] It's the fact that they were suppressing people and keeping them from having booze.

[1950] Yeah.

[1951] When...

[1952] It's true.

[1953] When society and laws don't match, when something's socially acceptable, it's not legally acceptable, there's a problem.

[1954] Yeah.

[1955] There's all...

[1956] You know what I mean?

[1957] It's just...

[1958] You know, whenever you have that disparity, when socially, it's not a big deal, and legally it's a big problem, that's a problem.

[1959] Yeah, it's unavoidable.

[1960] People are just like, fuck you.

[1961] Yeah, gay marriage is illegal in California.

[1962] Nobody in California really cares.

[1963] It's not, like, the laws lag behind what people really find socially acceptable.

[1964] That's always going to happen.

[1965] Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it?

[1966] And, you know, when it comes back to M .MA, the fact that it's still illegal in New York City.

[1967] Oh, God, disgusting.

[1968] In New York State, drives me fucking crazy.

[1969] And that it all comes from a corrupt union.

[1970] And it comes from the culinary union trying to strong -arm station casinos in a going union.

[1971] It's crazy shit.

[1972] It's ridiculous.

[1973] And people drive to Jersey and watch shows.

[1974] It's crazy.

[1975] It's crazy that it's legal.

[1976] You're not saying anything.

[1977] You're losing a fuckload of revenue for the city, too.

[1978] Millions and millions and millions of dollars.

[1979] They could, I mean, can imagine if they had like an Alistair O 'Reem versus Kane Velasquez, heavyweight title fight in Madison Square Garden.

[1980] Be awesome.

[1981] Holy fucking shit.

[1982] Holy shit.

[1983] it would be awesome but they can't have kickboxing so like glory could put on a big event a big kickboxing event in madison square garden kickboxing is legal it makes no sense at all no doesn't make any sense yeah i mean it's it's it's it's weird it's it's weird that that kind of corruption is still so transparent and still right in front of everybody and still you still get politicians to say nonsensical non -scientific not fact -based shit about the sport and because of the fact that most people are ignorant of the sport you can get away with saying stupid ridiculous non -scientific shit and you don't lose your job you know yeah like that that what the fucks his name whatever the guy's name is the the one main i don't even want to mention them the main guy in new york that's constantly talking bad about uh mama yeah the guy that's been paid off by the union like that guy's wrong like all the time when he describes it how he you know he doesn't sit down with anybody and have debates on it about the safety aspect of it of you know what what the what tests involve and how it compares to other shit like nascar racing or football or, you know, all different things that we accept that have shown to cause death and horrible injury.

[1984] And that's just a part of life and competition.

[1985] We're fine with that.

[1986] But for this one thing, you're telling everybody that they can't do it.

[1987] You're telling everybody why?

[1988] Oh, are you being paid by the culinary union?

[1989] Yeah, you are.

[1990] Well, what the fuck?

[1991] Yeah.

[1992] Like, it should be, get the fuck out of here.

[1993] Everybody should go, you're fired.

[1994] Yeah.

[1995] First of all, it should be on the front page of the news.

[1996] Did you know that this guy has this opinion?

[1997] He's being paid by it.

[1998] His opinion is not scientifically based.

[1999] is ridiculous and doesn't support the opinion of his constituents, and he's being paid by this union that is trying to keep the UFC out of New York.

[2000] He'd be going, well, you've got to get that guy out of office.

[2001] That guy's a fucking scumbag.

[2002] He's corrupt.

[2003] But it's still going on.

[2004] A loud lie is stronger than a quiet truth, unfortunately.

[2005] In the age of the internet, these motherfuckers.

[2006] So what's next for you guys?

[2007] You have King Moe this week.

[2008] Thursday night?

[2009] This week.

[2010] Is it Thursday night?

[2011] Yes, against Premislaw, Micella.

[2012] Which sounds like some kind of like a bacterial infection something he might have have picked up in Vegas.

[2013] He might have Pemislau and Micella gives him person inside of his balls and then Carl Amasu versus Ben Ascran and then we have the start of a 170 pound tournament that Ben Ashran guy man that's a that guy is a wrestling fool dude sticks to his he just takes you down takes you down takes you down you can't stop him boy you got to figure out how to have like a Marcel Garcia type ground game to deal with that guy Damien Maya something like that yeah maybe but other than that his his his his grappling his wrestling is so fucking good he can just keep holding you in positions you don't want to be in yeah he's great and scrambles and he's just his his wrestling ability and his techniques and it's so funky if you found an olympian and i remember watching ben when he was in the in the ncaa's wrestling in missouri and then uh in the olympics i remember watching ben and his style is so funky that even if you found an olympian and went okay this will be my training partner get ready for this he's not going to wrestle like ben asked yeah he's just weird shit totally when everybody goes to the right he goes so left and then it goes under you and what is going on yeah exactly and you know he's deceptively strong and you see that a lot like guys who like physically they look like these beasts and he locks douglas lemma yeah exactly to the moon and you're like and he told me and everybody keeps telling me the same thing and if you're going to fight ben you got to understand you're going to get taken down you spend some time on your back yeah they make this like line in the sand where douglas leam told me he goes oh i i felt so good i was no way this guy's going to take me And he threw me, and I went, oh, shit, it's going to be a long night.

[2014] Dan Hornbuckle told us, he said, I'm going to stop his take down for two minutes, and then I'm going to eat his ass up.

[2015] He couldn't stop it for 10 seconds.

[2016] And they just mentally kind of give up because they go, shit, I was supposed to stop this, and I can't stop this at all.

[2017] You have to accept I'm going to be on my butt at some point in this fight.

[2018] I think he's very important.

[2019] I think those guys are very important to the ultimate goal, which is to figure out what is the best way to approach any situation.

[2020] You know, I think if you look at like the kind of textbooks that they have available now in football, where they've got every fucking play documented.

[2021] They have all these variations on the plays, different things that have changed during plays that have made them more successful or errors that were committed during these plays.

[2022] And they have it broken down at a real scientific professional way.

[2023] And I think for a guy like Ben Ascran, I think that exposes this new, this new level of, of, of.

[2024] wrestling ability this you know really unusual olympic quality wrestling that nobody seems to be able to deal with okay you have a problem how do you solve it right what is it is it is it another wrestler is it a kickboxer what do what is it a guy who's got a nasty guard like shinia yoki type guy who lets him take him down and then just traps him what is it that you have to do to get past that style because that fucking style whether or not you think it's boring or not you a lot of people think it's boring it's super effective and the reality of a fight is that what is effective is what's good and someone's going to have to figure out how to stop that and it's super important to have a guy like that a guy who can do shit to everybody that no one wants them to do to them and the thing is is that you know damien my i know uh before he fought wideman he said i'm the best mixed martial artist i've ever been and he lost like it's almost like when he started becoming a mixed martial artist he kind of got away from what made him good yeah and he started losing fights.

[2025] And Ben never does that.

[2026] Ben goes, I'm a wrestler.

[2027] I'm going to take you down.

[2028] I'm going to take you down.

[2029] I'm going to use my jiu -jitsu.

[2030] He says, I'm getting all these other skills, but I'm going to take you down until you can stop me. He almost never gets away from that mentality of a wrestler.

[2031] But his strength is the takedown.

[2032] See, that's the key to that description.

[2033] Damian Miles is not a strong takedown guy.

[2034] I mean, he has done some things like when he hit that lateral drop on Chale Sunnin, then wound up triangle in him.

[2035] That was a beautiful take down, but the reality is he could not take down Anderson, so he's got whooped on for five rounds.

[2036] Or at least three and then two rounds of chasing him.

[2037] Right.

[2038] But you watch that and you see the two of them move around.

[2039] You're like, you know what?

[2040] I don't see any scenario where Damien Maya can take down Anderson Silva unless Anderson's injured.

[2041] I just need Anderson's take downs.

[2042] His defense is too good.

[2043] His speed is too good.

[2044] His technique is too good.

[2045] And his striking is too fucking scary.

[2046] And your timing's going to be off because you're going to worry about eating a flying knee that you didn't think anybody could ever reach you with.

[2047] Right.

[2048] Anderson reaches him with a knee.

[2049] in that fight.

[2050] There's a flying knee that he hits Damien Maya with where he leaps halfway across the fucking octagon and connects with his chin and you're just like, how did he get that far?

[2051] Like it doesn't even make sense.

[2052] It's like a Michael Jordan type jump where you see him jump and you go, how the fuck did he cover that much distance?

[2053] Carlos Newton, the timing of his flying knee.

[2054] Yeah.

[2055] Carlson coming in in pride.

[2056] Yeah.

[2057] He cleaned his ass.

[2058] Caught him clean.

[2059] And that was after getting really dominated on the ground.

[2060] Carlos mounted him and, you know, Carlos really was eating him up in the the ground game but it's that that combination of you know the abilities is what makes Anderson so fucking spooky yeah it's that he can defend himself on the ground and then when you get to standing up with them oh look you're in deep shit now he can do shit to you that you can't do to him and his ability to evade physical pressure you see that you know Bonner tried to do it you should al -combe tried to do it kind of put physical pressure on him and he's so elusive and evasive that's the hard part is that you try and kind of pin him you know like I'm gonna get him and I'll pin him down and make him feel the strength hard to do yeah only shall son did it effectively we need a guy in that division like vitor was a real threat before that fight you're like well you know what vitore has some fucking serious handspeed he's put knuckles to a lot of dudes and you know anybody that stands in front of them and he catches them with that same blitz he hit vanderlay with or rich franklin or akiyama you know you know that he could do that to anybody but after that after that after anerson knocked him out with a front kick to the face you're like okay well who's who's scary for him now there's no one's scary for him right now maybe wideman widenin's a beast he's a tough wide wide one's well rounded and physical and all but he he doesn't you don't go okay this is the tool he's going to use necessarily like he's a tough dude it'd be his wrestling but have to be his wrestling it'd be beating him well once again or submitting him i'm trying to submit him yeah and he's fucking cocks strong that wide been totally so big boy has a real struggle to get 85 but we're talking about you have three divisions i think the UFC, 170, 185, and 205, where the battle to see who gets the title shot is a lot more interesting than the title fight itself because you have dominant champs in those divisions.

[2061] Yeah, well, I'm really excited about a few different fights at 170, but I'm really excited every time I see Johnny Hendricks.

[2062] That fucking dude.

[2063] He is a beast.

[2064] He is just hitting dudes of these punches where you're like, is there like a stun gun at the end of his hand or something?

[2065] Like, what's happening?

[2066] If only he could wrestle.

[2067] Oh, wait, yeah.

[2068] Okay, shit.

[2069] Well, not only that, the thing that people don't know about Johnny Hendrix is his fucking jiu -jits is ridiculous.

[2070] He taps people like crazy in the gym.

[2071] It's just he hits so hard that he doesn't even fuck with that when it comes to a fight.

[2072] He's a scary dude.

[2073] I think he's got the skill set to really give GSP problems.

[2074] Yeah, exactly.

[2075] If there's one thing, I think, might be his kryptonite is when you put it on GSP, he tends to go, oh, shit.

[2076] He tends to have that backup button.

[2077] He goes to his takedown.

[2078] He goes, okay, and goes to his take -down that might not be there against Johnny Hendricks.

[2079] That's why he might have the capability to actually give GSP some trouble, which no one has so far.

[2080] If GSP can take down Johnny Hendricks, people are going to be like, get the fuck out of here.

[2081] How is that guy doing that?

[2082] He could.

[2083] He could.

[2084] His timing is awesome.

[2085] Struggle with Jake Shields.

[2086] Struggle with Jake Shields really didn't, you know, I mean, and granted he did get poking.

[2087] John Fitch, took down John Fitch.

[2088] I mean, he took down some good guys.

[2089] Josh Kostick.

[2090] He fucked John Fitch up on the feet, though.

[2091] He had him hurt from punches.

[2092] Fitch is another guy that's like, man, what heart, what determination, but his physical, like, prowess, his athletic ability lags slightly behind guys like GSP.

[2093] Yeah.

[2094] You know, and that's like, I know he's worked hard on that.

[2095] Like, that was something that he, like, looked at after that fight and tried to improve upon.

[2096] But how much can you approve upon how much of a mesomorph you are?

[2097] Yeah.

[2098] You look at a guy like GSP, like, especially after he came back from his knee injury, he started doing gymnastics.

[2099] He's fucking checked.

[2100] Dude is swall.

[2101] strong as shit.

[2102] And amazing timing.

[2103] Great timing.

[2104] Timing between striking and grappling.

[2105] You never know what the fuck's coming.

[2106] He mixes it all up.

[2107] He's not predictable.

[2108] And he's smart.

[2109] And he's always in shape.

[2110] And after that Matt Serra fight, he's never going to fuck off again.

[2111] You know, he fucked off.

[2112] One time, he gets starched, and he realized, okay, you got to take every fight 100 % serious.

[2113] That was the wake -up call.

[2114] You have to be a professional.

[2115] What do you think about Junior Dos Santos in Kansas?

[2116] what did you think about that fight i thought junior dosanto's got years beaten off his career yeah i honestly i looked at that and i'm going please cane just hit him hard enough one time for him to stop this because there was a few times ref was going give me a reason to stop this fight and des Santos to his credit i don't say stayed in the fight because he didn't exactly he wasn't competitive but didn't go down didn't get finished but it would have been better for him if that had been stopped in the second round quite honestly he got beat so but but things when you go back to the drawing board if your junior dos Santos's camp and you go back to the drawing board he got taken down he got beat up on the feet he got outworked his cardio wasn't there so it's kind of like okay we have six things we got to fix it's not like he took it like when when he knocked out cane they could go cane keep your damn hand up or whatever I know he had a knee injury but there are things you could fix there's a tweak you can make there are about seven tweaks they got to make to junior dos Santos after that fight well apparently his the latest is that he's going through a divorce and that's why he was not in the right frame of mind but that didn't make any difference to what Kane did to him.

[2117] Kane was a monster that night.

[2118] He was a monster.

[2119] He dropped.

[2120] He cracked him with that right hand.

[2121] That's the super aids back there.

[2122] You hear that shit?

[2123] I'm trying to stay away from it.

[2124] That's the exact opposite of what Junio Santos and Kane Velasquez have in life.

[2125] Right, exactly.

[2126] Your super aids.

[2127] You're the polar opposite of those guys.

[2128] Little Esther, logged into her Amazon on my iPad, and so now I've been adding all these things to her wish list like black anal beads and delos and sex.

[2129] Oh, what a sweetheart you are.

[2130] What a good guy.

[2131] While we're here talking about fights, you fucking freak me out.

[2132] I know, God, dude, that's weird.

[2133] I was almost bummed out that Alster Overeign pissed hot because I really wanted to see that fight.

[2134] Okay, let's talk about that.

[2135] I want to talk about this.

[2136] We talked about steroids before.

[2137] Yeah.

[2138] And the tone of the conversation, everybody said what you just said right now.

[2139] God, he pissed on, we're not going to see that fight.

[2140] The tone wasn't that dirty cheater at Oberlin.

[2141] No one got on their moral high horse about it.

[2142] Everybody just went, God damn it.

[2143] Now we're not going to see that fight.

[2144] Well, it was just such an exciting fight.

[2145] Everybody wants to see that fight.

[2146] And it confirmed what everybody always suspected about Alistair.

[2147] You're looking at that?

[2148] What?

[2149] How is it possible to get that big?

[2150] Well, then Paul Harris just pissed hot.

[2151] You know?

[2152] And the other guy we were talking about is just ridiculous physique.

[2153] He just pissed hot.

[2154] You remember when Vitor got into the UFC, finite heavyweight?

[2155] Yeah.

[2156] Like the muscle was glued onto him.

[2157] He was like, ridiculous.

[2158] 240, man. Now he's 185.

[2159] 185.

[2160] Your frame holds.

[2161] All right, I walk around.

[2162] Okay, I walk around.

[2163] Like 185.

[2164] Dude, that's 35 pounds.

[2165] It's ridiculous.

[2166] Think of that.

[2167] 50 pounds of muscle, dude.

[2168] 85 to 240.

[2169] That is ridiculous.

[2170] What is that?

[2171] That's crazy.

[2172] That's 55 pounds?

[2173] Yeah.

[2174] That's insane.

[2175] 55 pounds of muscle that doesn't belong there.

[2176] That's insane.

[2177] And he gas against Randy.

[2178] What?

[2179] That's insane.

[2180] Come on, dude.

[2181] It's a backpack with 50 pounds in it, you can't.

[2182] 55 fucking pounds of muscle.

[2183] Muscle.

[2184] What's a?

[2185] I'm having a hard time believing that.

[2186] But it's true.

[2187] Yeah, when he fought Randy, he looked like a lion.

[2188] It was unbelievable.

[2189] His neck was trapped were so big.

[2190] His head looked like a zit on top of a mountain.

[2191] Yeah, he was gigantic back then.

[2192] Yeah, 185 is the right weight class for him.

[2193] It is.

[2194] Well, he never had knockout power at 205.

[2195] Like, he could stun you with his speed.

[2196] Yeah.

[2197] But at 185, he'd you once and you don't know where you are.

[2198] And he never had that at 205.

[2199] He's like a blitzer, but, you know, down, him training now down in Florida, with that black zillions team vitor's always been a sensational athlete and being with the black zillions i got that henry huss guy who's really technical dust style dutch style striking and that guy's the one who's been training all those guys with taro and spong and alster i think that that's going to be really good for vitor to elevate the technical aspect of his game because you saw in that fight with bisping he still got ridiculous abilities i mean that fucking left high kick that was very quick.

[2200] Yeah.

[2201] You know, at since 1997, you know, fighting from 1997, now here he is in 2013.

[2202] I mean, we're talking about almost a 20 -year fucking career.

[2203] Right.

[2204] And the guy still landing high kicks like that.

[2205] It's ridiculous.

[2206] Yeah, it was amazing.

[2207] He's got incredible physical abilities.

[2208] His problem's always been a psychological, mental, getting him mentally into the fight has always been hard.

[2209] There's been fights where he's looked, the second Randy fight, for example.

[2210] Yeah.

[2211] Third Randy fight.

[2212] We didn't, we didn't even look interested.

[2213] The second fight at 205 in the UFC and he, like, He didn't even look interested in that fight.

[2214] He looked mentally beat.

[2215] And, you know, that's been his problem in the past.

[2216] Has been, I think he's had a lot of mental issues, and hopefully he's getting over those.

[2217] Yeah, I think he's adding more dimensions to his game, and that's awesome.

[2218] He's certainly gotten better out of it.

[2219] Yeah, he's certainly gotten better.

[2220] He certainly, you know, he could, though, conceivably challenge Anderson and make things very interesting if he could avoid getting cracked again like he did.

[2221] You know, and, you know, he could.

[2222] I mean, you look at, like, there's scrap on the ground.

[2223] where he was throwing these wild punches.

[2224] None of them landed on Anderson.

[2225] Man, what if one of them did?

[2226] Things could have been, and that's a big what -if, obviously.

[2227] But things could have been very interesting because it was quite a go until that front kick landed to the face.

[2228] Amazing how many dudes are throwing that now, isn't it?

[2229] Everybody's throwing it, dude.

[2230] Everybody's throwing it.

[2231] Nobody threw that before.

[2232] Everybody throws it now, but they don't set it up properly.

[2233] The whole reason it works is that not a lot of people throw it and you're not looking for it and then it comes right up through the guard.

[2234] but people don't set it up and they throw up by itself and you're like it doesn't it well it's a perfect technique to use against vitor in that circumstance too because vitor had to close the distance on anderson to use his hands so he was like more inclined to move forward and more inclined to not give up ground and box is really heavy on that front leg so he's kind of leaning over that front leg and that's what happened so he probably thought it was coming to the gut just going to tighten up real quick and just get pushed back a little bit and boom it hits them right in the chin and you know oh what a highlight real shot and Anderson, it's just a fucking, his whole career is just a series of highlight real shots, you know?

[2235] Freak.

[2236] Yeah.

[2237] It's cool to have a guy like that around, though.

[2238] I remember when he beat Hiotto Sakurai.

[2239] Yeah.

[2240] That's how freaking old school.

[2241] Old school, I am.

[2242] Remember when Takahashi, was it Takahashi that caught him?

[2243] Caught him in a triangle?

[2244] It was, um, uh...

[2245] Takasi?

[2246] Daizu Takase.

[2247] Takase.

[2248] Yeah, caught him in triangle.

[2249] With shoes on.

[2250] Yeah.

[2251] Yeah, and then, of course.

[2252] Daisu Takas is considered by some, at the time, the best grappler in Japan.

[2253] Very good draper.

[2254] Just underrated and, you know.

[2255] Super, super technical.

[2256] But just came at the wrong time.

[2257] I never really get it all together.

[2258] And then that Rio Chonan flying heel hook that he caught Anderson with, that was one of the most insane moves of all time.

[2259] Joe Lozahn loves that.

[2260] He dives that.

[2261] You've won some fights with Hill.

[2262] Didn't you submit Jason Chambers?

[2263] Yeah, I've been in with an inverted hill hook, yeah.

[2264] That's a nasty technique.

[2265] Yeah, dude, it's bad.

[2266] Quick enough.

[2267] Yeah, dude.

[2268] Yeah.

[2269] I looked at him and was, are you?

[2270] Okay.

[2271] Yeah.

[2272] I know.

[2273] Yeah, that's not a good one.

[2274] It's not a good one.

[2275] rips your shit up chews your meniscus up and sometimes guys don't come back from that especially meniscus because the inside's all fucking oh they gotta put a cadaver miniscus in there it's bad do that now they use cadaver meniscus yeah really yeah they started like stuffing stuffing dead people's I have a cadaver bones and ligament really one of my ACLs they but it actually becomes a scaffolding it's kind of an interesting thing they do really science is amazing isn't it medicine it's incredible they put you back together again I have both my knees put back together in.

[2276] But the right one, they use a cadaver.

[2277] The left one was a Patelotenton graft.

[2278] So what it is is the cadaver graft.

[2279] It sits in there, and then your body starts building cells through it.

[2280] It works as a scaffolding.

[2281] Oh, okay.

[2282] For your body to kind of replace all the cells in it with its own natural cells.

[2283] It actually becomes stronger than the initial ACL that got blown out once it's fully completely healed.

[2284] I have, thank God.

[2285] No knee problems, man. That's amazing.

[2286] Yeah, well, I did lose a minor stabilizer in my knee when I was fighting.

[2287] James Wilkes like like what what's like a MCL the minor no on the sides of your kneecap basically these two tendons that kind of like button your your top and bottom bone together and mine just popped and just came off so you don't have one I don't have one there but a doctor told me goes it's not a major stabilizer you're fine it's a funny story I was fighting James Wilkes and I'm going for a knee bar on him and we're rolling around and I hear this loud pop come from my knee and James had really good Muay and I went I can't stand up limping right period like so I'm rolling for knee bar and I wanted it anyway but in my head I went well either I get this knee bar I'm pretty screwed so we're rolling around I'm rolling around rolling around and I get this knee bar and I crank it and he taps and I stood up you know I went in the raise man and I walk out of the cage and I got a couple steps and I can't walk anymore and I went if all the adrenaline I have in my system I can't walk right now this is really bad I mean I couldn't get to the car but they never surgically they don't know they repair that one or they you know I guess they can but it gets a big deal and they're like well you'll be all right and it's never giving me a problem since.

[2288] Like, so it's just, it healed up in like three weeks and everybody.

[2289] I know the trains has something fucked up.

[2290] I'm very lucky.

[2291] My neck.

[2292] For me is my neck is the one.

[2293] The only shot that ever, um, I'll stop sparring is when I get hit on top of the head.

[2294] All right.

[2295] We got to get out of here.

[2296] This is three hours into our conversation, dude.

[2297] We could do this a hundred thousand fucking times.

[2298] We have to start about MMA.

[2299] We could do this forever.

[2300] Listen, I live in Culver City, man. I'm from L .A. We're going to bring peace to the MMA world because there's a separation between Belfort, I mean, between Belator and the UFC.

[2301] This Like, everyone thinks that we have to be enemies.

[2302] Yeah, I don't get it.

[2303] We say bullshit, man. I don't get that at all.

[2304] We'll sit down and talk some fucking fights.

[2305] I don't get that at all, man. It's good for everybody.

[2306] Joe Logan's a man. It's good for the business.

[2307] It's good for the sport.

[2308] It's good for the enjoyment.

[2309] Like, the idea that you shouldn't enjoy the UFC or I shouldn't enjoy Belator is ridiculous.

[2310] Stupid.

[2311] But I want to thank you for being the guy that I enjoy the most.

[2312] When it comes to commentary, and when I watch you, like, when a referee does something stupid, you yell at them.

[2313] And when a guy's, you know, going for something and you call it.

[2314] and, you know, I think you do an awesome job, and it makes watching fights very exciting for me. That means a lot to me, and I want to say that Joe Rogan basically blazed the trail for everybody like me in MMA broadcasting of the kingdom.

[2315] I got lucky.

[2316] I came along, and I didn't have to worry about losing that gig because I had another gig so I could talk shit.

[2317] Works out well.

[2318] It worked out well.

[2319] We all got lucky.

[2320] Thank you, everybody, for tuning to this podcast.

[2321] We'll be back tomorrow with David Cho and our buddy, Yoshi, and then uh wednesday will be the return of rick ross ross back in the house bitches new new pieces of evidence in the investigation and he has a new trial date rick ross the real rick ross not the rapper and ross is selling t -shirts now that say the real rick ross is not a rapper because we told him to do that on the podcast and he started doing it so he's making money off of a fucking scandal ladies and gentlemen follow jimmy smith on twitter it's jimmy smith m m a and uh...

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[2330] How reverse am I?

[2331] Do I talk too much?

[2332] Yes, I do.

[2333] That's why I do this, all right?

[2334] Because everybody's meant to do something in this life, folks.

[2335] I'm here to talk some shit, all right?

[2336] So we'll be back.

[2337] We'll also be back tonight at 1230 a .m. them in the morning with Ensign Inouye.

[2338] Chuck Liddell's bringing them in here.

[2339] So we'll see if we can get Chuck in front of the microphone as well.

[2340] But Ensign Inouye, if you don't know, old school MMA legend, like one of the original pioneers.

[2341] Went to toe to toe with Igor Vofchanchin.

[2342] One of the craziest fights of all time.

[2343] We'll have to play that tonight.

[2344] And he also is doing a lot of tremendously heroic work helping the people of Fukushima.

[2345] He goes back there to these terrible radiation zones over and over.

[2346] again bringing them aid and uh he's just a cool motherfucker and i'm honored to have him on the podcast so that's going to be 12 .30 a m in the morning all right are you dirty fucks all right we love the shit out of you and we'll see you soon as joey dyes would say stay black