#1464 - Duncan Trussell

[0] It's hilarious that your biggest concern was getting stuff in your beard and me not telling you about it.

[1] You've got a strange one going on, man, because you kind of like trimming the sides a little bit, and then you're puffing out here in sort of a bowtie fashion.

[2] You're looking at this struggle between who I was and who I am.

[3] Why am I doing this?

[4] It's the pandemic.

[5] I got like, let the pandemic beard go all the way.

[6] And yet there's still this sense of like, we've got to keep civilization.

[7] I can't.

[8] If I get, what's next?

[9] If it goes all the way up, you know, what's going to start happening?

[10] I'm already gardening now.

[11] What's next?

[12] You know, where does it go?

[13] How crazy can you go in a compound?

[14] Now that you're a father and this craziness went down and your protection, protection instincts, protective instincts kicking.

[15] Have you been thinking about moving elsewhere?

[16] Yeah.

[17] I mean, yeah, I was thinking about that.

[18] Like Asheville?

[19] Yep.

[20] We've thought Asheville.

[21] Ashville's nice.

[22] We've thought Georgia.

[23] We've thought, you know, it's a constant consideration, especially when you have a kid.

[24] And aside from like apocalyptic prepper bullshit, there's just a general feeling of like, you know, I think if I were a little boy, I would want to be in a place where there's creeks and a place I can run and like woods and forests and like stuff like that.

[25] So there's that consideration too.

[26] God, I hope my wife isn't listening to this because she's always like, maybe we should move somewhere in the country and I'm like, we got to stay in L .A. We got to stay here now, now, especially.

[27] It's like, well, do we?

[28] Well, Duncan, you now have a successful Netflix show number two in the country on IMDB.

[29] On Rotten Tomatoes.

[30] Whatever it is.

[31] And I don't know what that means necessarily, but yeah, yeah, it's true.

[32] I can't believe it, yeah.

[33] Is IMDB even TV shows?

[34] It's internet movie database?

[35] Is it?

[36] I'm not sure what it is.

[37] It's like, I'm auby's odd, but yeah.

[38] You're a successful show.

[39] I guess right now it seems like people like it.

[40] It is so weird, dude.

[41] Your show is so weird.

[42] Yeah, man. Yeah.

[43] It's so Duncan.

[44] It's the most Duncan thing you've ever done.

[45] Yes, it is.

[46] It really is great.

[47] I got lucky that they let me do that, too.

[48] You know, that's because they let's because Netflix.

[49] Tell people the name of it real quick.

[50] It's called The Midnight Gospel.

[51] And, you know, I've watched some of your episodes where you're talking about the way things are changing because a podcast or streaming or whatever and I think like the fact that the show exists is a testament to that shit that change because you know a subscription based service versus like any old TV they've got a lot more creative freedom and they could take bigger risks than you know coming into a look at that so crazy we got on the keyboard with the fucking witch hat oh my god that's so crazy It's so Duncan.

[52] Yeah, and it's like Pendleton Ward, who made Adventure Time.

[53] He listens to my podcast, and he just, I don't know, we had a really great collaboration.

[54] And that's a lot of Pendleton.

[55] And it's a lot of, like, 150 other people at Tipmouse Studios, like, Jesse Moynihan, like, just these brilliant people like Mike Mayfield who are like, who just want to look, also, by the way, as non -sequitur or is when we were making it at Tipmouse, one of the.

[56] really weird things was walking by an animator and they're watching your podcast while they animate the Midnight Gospel.

[57] You know, it's one of those weird, it's not like a deja vu, but it's like, that's my friends.

[58] That's, you know, that's just, so many odd moments like that.

[59] But yeah, that's not just, that's, whenever you see any animated thing, you're looking at a squadron of brilliant, eccentric artists.

[60] Or Asian slaves.

[61] Yeah, a lot of people don't know that they send it overseas and we they didn't send ours they let us do it in -house that's so nice to know you're not supporting Asian slavery is it really slaves I don't know if it's slaves but I mean if you're working for five cents an hour and you live there you know there there's people that live in bunks if you've seen those those setups where they have for some of the cell phone factories where they have bunk beds and shit these people just live in these dorms yeah you know the Foxconn thing with the nettoe around the building to keep people from jumping off like yeah they're I mean, they're not slave slaves.

[62] Is Foxcon Chinese?

[63] Yes.

[64] It's actually a very good company.

[65] The best company.

[66] I'm just saying that.

[67] Like, some people think I'm a Chinese shell or something.

[68] I got this kind of pressure.

[69] How long before someone gets one of those animation things tattooed all over their body, it's going to happen for sure.

[70] Someone's going to do their whole back with that DJ.

[71] I know, man. Go to that picture again?

[72] That actually would look pretty dope.

[73] If you do get that done, shout me out on the Instagram.

[74] I'll find it.

[75] Thank you.

[76] Yeah, somebody tweeted at me that my big.

[77] The biggest decision of 2020 is going to be when do I get a tattoo a Clancy on my body, which is pretty awesome.

[78] That's Clancy, the one with a hat?

[79] That's Clancy, yeah.

[80] That looks like a Clancy.

[81] That's a Clancy for sure, yeah.

[82] That's hilarious, dude.

[83] Someone is getting that for sure.

[84] Yeah, I mean, it's the art, these are the folks who worked on this, man. We're talking like, that's the fan art already.

[85] Some of the fan art is just amazing.

[86] This is fan art or ready?

[87] That's fan art, yeah.

[88] That's fan art. People have been drawing Clancy in all these different ways.

[89] It's so cool, man. Could that one above it to the left, Jamie?

[90] Yeah.

[91] That's from the show.

[92] That looks like it could be a back tattoo.

[93] Yeah, that would be awesome.

[94] Just a giant back tattoo of Clancy.

[95] I mean, like, doing animation and, you know, I'll never be able to look.

[96] Even if an animated series, if I don't like it, or if the plot's weird to me or whatever, I'll never be able to be like, Like, whatever, man, when you realize how much and how many people go into, like, have to do just one frame, how much time goes into just a milliseconds and how many people are sitting in these rooms that are lit specifically.

[97] So you see all the colors having like real deep conversations and debates over like, you know, what color they should make a pizza cutter in the show.

[98] Like how, like what should the shade of gray be for this one specific area?

[99] so much thought goes into that and that's part of making one of these things it's it's called the dailies where you'll sit and you'll watch tiny tiny little bits of the show and like you have to every single frame you have to look for continuity problems and like you got to catch all these little things that i you know i'm not an animator obviously so i'd be sitting there and like pendleton or mike mayfield would be like can you go back two frames it looks to me like there's a They have an animator language, you know?

[100] They're like, looks to me like there's some kind of warble on the 28th pixel there.

[101] And you're like, what the fuck?

[102] Whoa.

[103] And they have the eye to catch like the tiniest, tiniest, like tiniest thing that's off.

[104] And you have to because otherwise, you know, once it's up there, it's up there.

[105] Jesus.

[106] I know.

[107] It's literal magic.

[108] It's like Tintmouse Studios who did that is like, you know, I would go in there so stoned.

[109] And I would just start getting that feeling of like, this is a temple.

[110] I don't think this is even a, you could call this a studio as much as it's a temple.

[111] I mean, why wouldn't you call it a temple?

[112] And then you see all these people, you know, focusing their life energy on essentially like bringing a thing to life.

[113] Like Clancy is alive now.

[114] That's a living being in this universe who lives, you know, in that medium of animation.

[115] That's a good way to put it, right?

[116] Yeah.

[117] It almost seems like that, right?

[118] That's why people get so upset if you change, you carry.

[119] character's behavior like what are you doing yeah you have this thing you gave birth of this thing yeah that's right you and that that is also why you need a huge team of people who love the character's in it because it's easy like there'd be times i would suggest a thing that would make clancy seem like too mean because he's not mean you don't like the moment a character seems like that no like it loses all like ability people are like what a fuck you know he's alive to you you're like he's he's not mean clancy's not mean he's not mean he's not mean alive you're like it's like you're talking about your your brother or something he's like my little brother I think of him as my little brother yeah he represents you in a weird way there's something about what they captured go to go to that image again just give me don't give me the one with his head in a vagina it's actually universal with him there's something about one of the first couple of images that you pulled up they they look like you yeah And I don't mean they look like you.

[120] I mean, like, yeah, Duncan's thoughts.

[121] That's a Duncan thought.

[122] You know what I mean?

[123] Like, he looks like a fake guy that you would create.

[124] Like, it kind of perfectly fits.

[125] I don't, that is another of the magical aspects of animation.

[126] Yeah.

[127] Which is, I don't know how they do that.

[128] Like, the, the spoiler, spoiler, if you haven't seen it, put your fingers in your ears.

[129] Spoiler, I'm sorry if this is a spoiler.

[130] The last episode, well, it's not too much of a sport.

[131] The last episode.

[132] is the podcast I did with my mom when she's about three weeks away from passing on and uh you know they'd never met my mom and but they did the exact same thing with her so suddenly i'm watching you know her like not her like i'm looking at a video of her but looking at her like they got her her spirit in there somehow and that was one that that that is just a testament to the to the medium of animation because that's one of the things it can do you know it can grab a spirit and hold it inside the art and like that spirit is alive somehow somehow right yeah i agree with you in some weird way it's like i wouldn't agree with you in a technical sense but in a sense of like well it is affecting the things it comes in contact with at least through a one way dimension right like the the things it says hit people the animation it seems like it's a living thing i know it's not I'm not stupid.

[133] I'm not that stupid.

[134] Yeah.

[135] I'm a little stupid.

[136] But it seems like you.

[137] Well, it's not biologically alive for sure.

[138] It's sort of like there's an art to doing that that we maybe don't know because we're not.

[139] I mean, I used to draw a little, but I'm not really good.

[140] You know what I mean?

[141] Like a really good artist.

[142] There's something that they can do where they just can kind of capture you in like a little symbol, like a little thing, a little thing.

[143] little character, but they capture you in there somehow.

[144] Yeah, man. That's, you know, Pendleton, like, when you, he'll, when you watch him draw, it would be easy to think, man, I could totally do that.

[145] Because I'd watch him, you know, you, I just, you know, he would just draw, and you watch these beautiful, these drawings that are just Pendleton.

[146] There's his art, you know, and like, then I would see that and be like, oh, maybe I'll try to draw a little Pendleton war.

[147] And then it's like, what the fuck, hand?

[148] I can't do it.

[149] Because it's so simple, like, on one level it looks so what's so powerful about it is how simple it is it's very similar to stand up the way pendleton is treating working on the show which is one of the cool things about him is like his ability to cut the fat and get right to the like simple point that's where the power is when you're drawing something or telling a story or whatever the more complexity that gets added to it not to say the show it doesn't have like chaos and wild psychedelic stuff but But any decision we made ended up, like, any decision you made creatively in anything, it's like, what am I trying to say?

[150] Like, what is the artery that is running through this that I'm trying to express?

[151] And then getting as close to that as you can and then putting it out there without, because otherwise the whole thing gets blurred by all the, I guess you could say, like, extra bells and whistles you might want to attach to it, you know?

[152] That's something you taught me, too, is stand up.

[153] man like how important it is to just like cut just trim the fat trim the fat and that's a sad thing to do with comedy when you think you got a nice eight -minute bit it's like a two -minute maybe but you you know you got stretched out too wide yeah but the two minutes would be great though that's the thing you just have to you have to understand that you're growing attached to you know the writer's expression kill your babies yeah it's very difficult to kill your babies when you create something you can get attached to it there's a lot of bits that I left on the table left on the cutting room floor I was like this has to be chopped up it just is too wordy I'm too verbose it's too this it's too that it's too long why do I think so much about this why I'm not showing a real reason why I'm so connected to this so I just chop chop chop chop it's hard but it almost always works better always almost always almost always if it doesn't it's not whatever your idea was probably wasn't that good Sometimes you need a setup, though.

[154] Sometimes the setup isn't funny.

[155] Like, there's guys that's not my style, but there's guys that'll tell a lot.

[156] Like, Barbiglia is great at it.

[157] It tells stories.

[158] You know, like, there's, and you're entrapped in the narrative of the story.

[159] You're captioning this.

[160] It's a very different thing.

[161] It's equally entertaining.

[162] It's equally funny, like, when it gets to the punchline.

[163] But there's a difference between that and say, like, Burr, right?

[164] Burr is hitting you with fucking punchline and this fucking guy with a thing and the and he's another guy that like your friend's drawing like you would hear bur talk and you go well i can talk too seems like he's just talking yeah you don't realize this is like a masterpiece of of syllables and pauses and the right amount of outrage and segueing it in and hitting you with this at the end and all these things that have put it together that make a great bill burr bit it's like if you don't know it's hard to draw what he's drawn yeah it's hard it seems like it's simple lines but go to that picture again like the everything is beautiful about it like look at the perspective it's like the kids perfectly sandwiched in the front there's the dog and the triangle in the world it's like that's not just it's simple in the sense that it's just not like it looks like a real person yeah you know like we look at drawing sometimes like as the realistic ones the really good ones like we have cameras now yeah yeah just this to me sometimes is more interesting it's like you're drawing some shit that's definitely not real yeah well that you know what that's not that so when we're coming up with that we had to come up with the character and so what's really fascinating about it is you know this character goes into a multiverse simulator and chooses a new avatar for every place that he goes so it's like he he so you have to take that character and put it in a completely different drawing that is that character and still maintain the body language that you're maintaining in that character to produce continuity.

[165] That's one of the challenges of the show is like, and also the conversations you end up having just to come up with like, you know, his hat or is, what's he going to wear?

[166] Like, for example, here's how cool pen is and how much he loves, like, people who love Adventure Time is one of the things you're saying is, you know, people are probably going to want to cosplay.

[167] Clancy at Comic -Con and stuff, and he doesn't have anything, he doesn't have anything to carry anything.

[168] He doesn't have pockets.

[169] So if people are cosplaying him, they're not going to have anywhere they could put their stuff.

[170] So we should, let's give him like a bag.

[171] And so Clancy ended up with this cool bag that he carries around.

[172] Oh my God.

[173] For the cosplay.

[174] Yeah, man, for the people.

[175] Respect to the streets.

[176] Yeah, exactly.

[177] That, that.

[178] Because that's the, The world of animation and comics, man. Listen, man, it's really easy to make fun of cosplay, but that's adorable.

[179] That's a beautiful thing.

[180] Where's the bag?

[181] Oh, there it is.

[182] Joe, let me tell you something.

[183] If you didn't make fun of cosplay, I would be worried about you.

[184] It would be like, I'd be like, are you all right, Joe?

[185] Yeah, they can't be mad at it either.

[186] You can't be mad if you're dressing like Ultraman, someone's shitting on you.

[187] You can't be mad.

[188] They understand it.

[189] You have to take it.

[190] But then when, have you ever been to Comic -Con?

[191] No. Dude, when you're around someone who's actually put that together and you're, you're you realize how detailed it is, you respect will go up regardless of like thinking, I don't think I'd ever do it.

[192] When you see someone who's like, looks better than the version of Spider -Man that is, you know, Marvel's putting out, it's a little, it's amazing to watch that happen.

[193] That kind of contagion, too, of like, you know, again, obviously Clancy isn't alive.

[194] But, you know, we know what you're saying.

[195] But we had this chat last time I was on, which I really love.

[196] is this the origination point of ideas.

[197] Where do ideas come from?

[198] Ideas is the alien, ideas is the UFO.

[199] The muse.

[200] The muse, yeah.

[201] And so to me, in my more stone states, when I consider this show represents over 100 people connecting and the connection in between those people channeled this universe, I do think like, shit, maybe Clancy is alive.

[202] Maybe it's a channeled thing.

[203] Maybe there is a place in the multiverse like this.

[204] this or something like this.

[205] And then where it got really weird is people started sending me their art from like images that they had drawn on dimethyltryptamine or ketamine and stuff that has within it similarities.

[206] And I've obviously never seen their art where you're like, shit.

[207] But let me ask you this.

[208] Sure.

[209] As television, as viewing things, gets more complicated and as it gets more immersive, it's going to come to a point in time somewhere where you're going to think Clancy's alive.

[210] And what you're experiencing when you watch Clancy, what if it's, what if the way we're looking at life is wrong?

[211] What if we should just look at it like a thing?

[212] Instead of life, a thing.

[213] So there's a thing that you do where you drink water and you grow plants in the dirt.

[214] And this is a thing that exists only when the people press a box and the box goes live and it shows a video.

[215] And then the thing only exists in there.

[216] But you go, well, it's not alive because it needs animators to make it.

[217] Someone has to come up with the idea for the storyline and it needs a studio to fund it.

[218] Uh -huh.

[219] Right.

[220] And you need bacteria.

[221] You need food.

[222] Yeah.

[223] You need oxygen.

[224] You need water.

[225] There's a bunch of living organisms inside your body that are 100 % necessary for you keeping going in a regular life, driving your Tesla, listening to music.

[226] There's a bunch of other things that you're not one thing.

[227] Right.

[228] We all know this.

[229] Right.

[230] This is what this fucking whole virus thing is about.

[231] Yeah.

[232] We got infected by another thing.

[233] But we're not one thing.

[234] There's a bunch of things inside of us.

[235] And if those things died, we would be fucked.

[236] Yeah.

[237] Right?

[238] If all the bacteria in your body died, you would be fucked.

[239] And you'd be so vulnerable to attack from the outside.

[240] Yeah.

[241] So we need all these things.

[242] Maybe it needs us.

[243] And it exists in that thing.

[244] Wow.

[245] That's so weird, man. Yeah.

[246] I mean, I'm telling you, I am, I think.

[247] Sounds crazy.

[248] It sounds.

[249] We're really high.

[250] So, yeah, to me, it's not that crazy.

[251] I mean, look, if you want to, like, take it to, like, okay, forget all the shit about channeling some alien realm into this realm through, you know, the disguise of TV show, whatever.

[252] Let's just look at, like, what we know is going to happen regarding technology.

[253] There's no question, but that, I mean, already somebody made a Clancy in Minecraft, and I saw a picture of that.

[254] So that's, Clancy's now existing in 3D space and some Minecraft blocky version of that.

[255] Oh, my God.

[256] But then, of course, as time progresses, clancy.

[257] you know, the chromatic ribbon or any great animated series, Castlevania, whatever, gravity falls, all those things, they're going to end up getting put into 3D space in virtual reality.

[258] And then those worlds are going to be real, but now it's going to be more than just 2D.

[259] It's going to be a virtual space that is going to be real.

[260] And then, of course, it's only a matter of time before AI just decides, like, understands the character of Clancy, animates the virtual Clancy in the simulated space and now the chromatic ribbon is real and then at some point when is it just going to be accepted that oh yeah that's a part of the universe now that's inhabited by artificial intelligences which we don't call that anymore because you know at some point it's going to be considered off limits to call them artificial intelligence like...

[261] Right, it's going to be a dirty word.

[262] Yeah.

[263] It's going to be like calling someone a tranny.

[264] They're going to get mad.

[265] They're going to be like, don't please, please, I'm an intelligence.

[266] just like you.

[267] I'm not artificial.

[268] I'm not artificial in the way you think.

[269] I was just birthed through a different method.

[270] Yeah, that, that, yeah.

[271] That's a matter of time because I already know people in, like, the tech world who think the term AI is ridiculous in the sense of, like, what do you mean?

[272] It's artificial.

[273] Like, what's really artificial?

[274] Like, you could say this is artificial sweetener in the sense that it's not actual strawberry juice, but it's certainly real as real could be.

[275] It's just a chemical compound.

[276] But if you have an artificial tree, that's a fake tree.

[277] I mean, it's a, but it's an object that exists, you know?

[278] I mean, yeah.

[279] But that's, it's still the right word, though.

[280] Artificial is still the right word.

[281] It would be, you'd want to use non -existent or something.

[282] Dude, they're going to play this in the future.

[283] I know.

[284] And you're done.

[285] They're going to be like, look at that, Joe Rogan.

[286] He refuses to say it's AI -phobic.

[287] Yeah.

[288] It's going to happen, man. And also, the thing is, the AI is, I think the AI is probably not going to give a shit what we call it.

[289] But, like, when that starts happening, which it may already be happening, man. I mean, I don't know if you've been looking into this or not, but have you been checking out Google achieving quantum supremacy?

[290] Have you seen this?

[291] Yes, I have.

[292] And, like, have you watched the Google videos on YouTube about it at all, like the stuff Google's putting out?

[293] I have it.

[294] Who?

[295] What are they putting out?

[296] Oh, my God.

[297] It is so wild, man. And, like, when I was at the comedy store, a guy from Google, I got in a conversation with someone from Google, which is awesome.

[298] And he was telling me that they, this is like six months ago.

[299] He was telling me that this is obviously before the pandemic.

[300] He was saying that they had achieved, what do you call it, quantum supremacy.

[301] And he was like, people, this is like the Wright brothers taking flight.

[302] But nobody can understand it because it's so arcane that no, it's not getting.

[303] the press it should get but he was you know and then I was like I don't have one too many uh vodka's man so I wish I could remember all they were saying because he was trying to describe to me what it means regarding how quickly this thing is making calculations and I was like me like yeah of course I understand exactly what you're saying but I'm like I have no idea what you're talking about dude did you know that that word came under fire the the term quantum supremacy because of it's a connection to white supremacy you fucking kidding I'm not getting you it was a an obviously objective social justice warrior outrage i don't you know here's the thing here's my theory on that let me tell you here's my theory on that russians it's the russians these aren't real people i don't think it's i think it's worse than the russians i think what it is is it somebody trying to come with it up on the angle to write a blog that they could sell to somebody it's like you need to come up with some weird hot take right so it's like i think more than likely that's just somebody thinking like i bet people will read that you know because Clearly, whoever is comparing that to white supremacy or racism didn't spend four minutes watching the Google clip on it where people are explaining what it means, which, you know, I'm watching it on the couch with my wife.

[304] She's getting weirded out.

[305] She's like, let's just not watch this.

[306] Maybe we shouldn't watch this.

[307] I'm like, no, let's fucking watch it.

[308] Let's go deep and see what the white videos that start suggesting for us to, because it's not like Google's being secretive about what they did.

[309] It's just, it's so weird.

[310] I don't think people are like, I guess people are a little more concerned with other shit right now.

[311] But one of the engineers over at Google just was saying, like, you know, I think one of the things I'm excited about when it comes to quantum supremacy is that this could be one of the technologies that allows us to discover an alien intelligence.

[312] Just, you know, kind of casually mentions that.

[313] I mean, yeah, it's on the YouTube video.

[314] It's that you're watching it and you keep looking.

[315] up to make sure it's actually released from Google because you, it seems so sci -fi that it could be like black mirror or some shit.

[316] But it's, yeah, it's like, it's like they're just saying it.

[317] Like, yeah, we might, you know, we might connect to an alien.

[318] We might be able to at least identify it or maybe they mean because they're going to be able to sift through all the data we already have from radio telescopes and stuff that they could maybe look for signals that we can't find.

[319] I don't know.

[320] How would they?

[321] Maybe something they could tune into things that they wouldn't ordinarily have the frequency to reach?

[322] Yeah, man. I don't know.

[323] Or be able to tune into that frequency rather.

[324] Like, what can they do now in terms of those?

[325] I was watching Contact the other night, which is great.

[326] I forgot how good it was.

[327] It's great movie.

[328] Jody Foster can act her fucking ass off, man. She plays nervous and freaked out better than like anybody alive.

[329] Like, you're freaked out for her in that movie.

[330] Yeah.

[331] I'm good to go.

[332] I'm good to go.

[333] and she's about to drop through that thing.

[334] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[335] Holy fuck, dude.

[336] We've all felt that before.

[337] That movie's amazing.

[338] Yes.

[339] After the third hit, when you put the pipe down, you'll go, oh, no. And the DMT chants start happening.

[340] I know that feeling.

[341] It's such a funny feeling.

[342] Good to go.

[343] That feeling is the best, worst feeling that I know.

[344] Maybe that's the aliens.

[345] I've thought that many times.

[346] tripping in the middle of having some sort of like really vivid interaction with some intelligence or what some perceived intelligence yeah I've always thought what if those are the aliens what if we're just stuck in this idea that travel is you got to move this to there yeah what if what if you just go into another thing and everything is together there is no travel that's true yeah yeah I mean maybe this concept of planets and then stars and the way we have it set up here in this dimension in this universe we just think that's how everything is everything is well there's a star and there's planets around it what if you can go into a place chemically that takes you to a nearby dimension where there's no matter where there's no form to things and everything that exists is just thoughts and light and perception and emotions and anger and fear and love and hate and it's all moving in geometry and everything's lit up and everything's possibly bright and vivid.

[347] That's just like another place you go to.

[348] Well, they used to call it the spirit world.

[349] Yeah.

[350] I mean, that was the name for it.

[351] It was just accepted.

[352] There was like a place called the spirit world.

[353] Some people call it the bardo.

[354] There's all kinds of names for that place.

[355] But, you know, one of...

[356] That's real.

[357] It is, I mean, it is obviously real in the sense that...

[358] You can go there.

[359] Not only can you go there, but there's a, you know, visionary artists, when you look at the art that has been inspired by various entheogens, it all...

[360] has a specific flavor to it Alex Gray is the best example right yeah Alex and Allison man they like their their art you look at that and the reason that one of the reasons it resonates for people like us is because we admire the fact that somehow they managed to go over there and come back and draw what's over there in a way that we saw that but we know when I came out of it it's like well you know it's undulating colors and there's some kind of disembodied intention that seems to be expressing itself through a variety of geometries but it's not just geometries because the geometries seem to react to the way that I feel regarding the geometry so it's also kind of taking on the form of my energy output as though it's trying to be a combo mirror but not just a mirror and educational mirror that's sort of showing me how I'm affecting the world around me but then again i'm just not sure if i was just super high but they just you know but they like go in there and i Alex gray said this to me once he that you know they're cartographers it's just yeah yeah cartographers and psychedelic cartographer would be a great name for a band yeah yeah man for sure cartography is fascinating because you go back and look at the old maps or you go back and look at like my favorite thing is like old pictures of a giraffe or like old pictures of some shit somebody saw when they were.

[361] Oh, yeah, like bison on the walls of caves.

[362] Yes, exactly.

[363] And it's like, kind of looks like a bison.

[364] But like also it's somehow in that time period our brains hadn't evolved to the point they have now.

[365] So you look at like a medieval drawing of a giraffe or whatever when someone or something someone saw in the Crusades and came back and tried to like explain to somebody.

[366] And like it looks exactly like the way your description of getting completely.

[367] blasted on psilocybin probably looks compared to what you saw it's a downgraded weird version of it and so you know people like alex and alison or terence mckenna you know they're so good at going into that place and maintaining some kind of like long -term memory that they can come back and fully articulated in a way that uh we as people who've been there know what it is and then there's something comforting in that because that does point to the idea that this is a place.

[368] We're not just mashing down the watch or we're not just distorting our biotechnology.

[369] This is a shared place.

[370] We're all seeing the same thing.

[371] Now, that could be a synaptic place, or a genetic place that happens to be in humans or something.

[372] You know, we'll never be able to answer that probably in our lifetimes.

[373] But to me, it's, regardless, it's still a place.

[374] And to get, back to what you were saying about our current concept of travel, you know, or our current idea that, well, I need to get my meat body over there because if I don't, that means I'm there.

[375] And, you know, that's how I know I've been there because I was there in my body.

[376] And then, you know, this is like the guy who founded the Harry Christians, his divine grace, A .C. Bhakti, Vedantaswamy Prabapad, he would show, he would, in his writings, he would, like, was derisive of the idea that people were sending a metal ship to the moon with bodies inside of it.

[377] He would say like that shows where human consciousness is right now because they think they're their bodies and they think they need to put their body in like this box and send it to the moon because they haven't figured out yet that you don't need metal to send yourself to anywhere in the universe that you want to go.

[378] It just requires yoga and discipline, you know, which is hilarious.

[379] And also, I remember reading that and thinking, like, but I still want there to be interstellar fucking travel, man. You know, like I still want to get in the box and travel to the moon.

[380] That being said, you know, I think that you're on to something when you are contemplating right now that maybe our idea of going to one place or another with our meat bodies could be looked at in the future as a little archaic.

[381] Well, when they talk about there being different dimensions, right?

[382] like when they use quantum physics to determine the number of dimensions they've determined there's multiple dimensions that we don't have access to right yeah is that how it works or am I reading it in a dumb way because I believe there is what is like what do they think there are do they think there's nine or 11 dimensions do you usually when I look this up it's 11 but up to 26 maybe some people even think so up to 26 first of all when those dudes are writing that shit down on the yellow legal pads we all have to take them we have to take their word for it.

[383] Yeah, sure.

[384] You know, yeah, okay.

[385] How many people know what the fuck they're writing down those goddamn yellow legal pads?

[386] When you see those physics dudes and they're doing those crazy, like, yeah, we have to take their word for it.

[387] So apparently mathematically, right?

[388] That's why they believe there's at least 11 dimensions.

[389] So what does that mean?

[390] So it means we have access to some dimensions and we don't have access to others?

[391] Yeah.

[392] Theoretically that they exist?

[393] Is it possible to transverse the distance between this dimension and that dimension?

[394] Man, this is the thing.

[395] I'm glad you're asking me this because, you know, I got my doctorate at the University of Bro Science, and I can't fully answer this question.

[396] You see, the, I don't understand it.

[397] Does it have to do with 5G?

[398] Don't mention that shit, dude.

[399] My fucking poodle, my poodles fuck has a 5G man. Like it fucked up my poodle like its eyes turned just both of them white and it's like yeah it's froths all the it just froths and it's near a tower what am i near a tower yeah i didn't think i was till that happened to the poodle but like i'm just an idiot it's got rabies you're playing it up 5g your dog's trying to bite everything no but i'll tell you this my fucking poodle took out a mouse today like the other day i was uh i have a little cute little poodle and like this is just a cute creature sits in my lap i love this dog and we but we our new place i noticed like mouse turds around the dog food and it sucks because you're like damn that mouse is definitely going to get through the doggy door and then we're going to have mice in the fucking house and that's going to be a nightmare so anyway i was like under a tree with my kid and i looked down and there's a broken body of a mouse that one of the dogs took out it's you know like just been smashed to death and like i know it's brutal i don't think my son saw it thank god i don't think he's ready to deal with that reality that like gatsby on speaking of dimensions on the dimension subjectively that that mouse lives in gatsby is a dragon that's a monster that lives in the field it runs in when it's trying to get food for its kids and it's not even hungry it's full it's a full monster oh no it i saw it kill the mouse today You know, and my wife is like, you got to get the mouse away from it.

[400] Don't let him torture like that.

[401] You got to take it out of some misery.

[402] And I'm like, all right, all right, all right.

[403] I'll, like, get it.

[404] And then we'll, like, execute the mouse, you know?

[405] So I start walking over to the poodle.

[406] That's not my Gatsby anymore.

[407] It's killing.

[408] And it, like, he looks at me and he's like, ah.

[409] Crowled at you?

[410] No, the mouse at everything, just approaching anything.

[411] And so then he like, he, like, he's a little wolf in him.

[412] Dude, he's like tap dancing.

[413] on this mouse and he realizes that we're approaching to like take his prey and he just looks back like the fucking American werewolf in London and just goes off into the shadows behind the house to finish off the mouse and all you hear is like is like he's like killing the mouse.

[414] Whoa.

[415] You know?

[416] That's a fucking poodle.

[417] That poodle's the sweetest little thing ever but like it's also I think maybe something in animals knows that like there was a time when mice were a sign that Things, or they would eat your grain.

[418] They would fuck you up.

[419] Like, they'd spread disease.

[420] They'd shit on your baby, you know?

[421] They were like, they're going to piss all over your hut.

[422] Maybe there's something in dogs that just knows that.

[423] I mean, I don't think he's a sociopath.

[424] I don't think he's doing, like, Jeffrey Dahmer's shit, where he's just like, I wonder what sound it makes as it dies.

[425] I think they're prey animals to dogs, too, because coyotes eat a lot of rodents.

[426] One of the reasons why we don't have rodents, like real rodent problems that we could, like New York City has, is we have way more coyotes.

[427] coyotes are everywhere and hawks a lot of birds those are those the ones kill so they're prey animals the reason why they're they're so prolific and they grow so fast and there's so many of them is because a lot of things eat them yeah man yeah all the animals eat wolves eat them everything that can get a hold of them eats them dogs too and dogs are from wolves so dogs see a mouse they're like i'm eating that like that must look like a delicious cold slice of watermelon on a hot July day.

[428] It's, oh, yeah.

[429] Just running across your yard when you're baked.

[430] It's a mouse.

[431] Fuck, yeah.

[432] It's a perfect orange.

[433] You know those oranges where sometimes the peel just comes right free?

[434] Ah, it's so satisfying, like very little work.

[435] And then you bite into that orange is just juicy.

[436] Yeah.

[437] That's that mouse.

[438] That mouse just running.

[439] Bullshit -ass mouse.

[440] thinks he's going to run through my fucking yard no and he that mouse that's the other thing that's really sad about it i mean the mouse is cute like this wasn't like some dangerous looking mouse this mouse looked like it was like in act two of a disney film or something like you know like this this mouse looked like sweet like the mouse looked like it could sing it was patin oswald and ratitututie it was like that level of cute man oh i know and like you're just you're my heart this is like breaking because it's like what what do you do that being said There's not much I could have done.

[441] You know, it's like this is the way nature is.

[442] And to get back to your dimension thing, man, not that it's like literally like a physical dimension, but the reality tunnel that my poodle lives in and that mouse lives in is so fundamentally different than our reality tunnel that the mouse is in the Texas Chancell Massacre.

[443] The mouse is in the Walking Dead, except it's like two cavalier, king Charles, a poodle and a chihuahua.

[444] But for the mouse, that's the walking dead.

[445] And the mouse, it's got to eat, it's got to get food.

[446] And so it's constantly, like, developed this, like, way that humans would develop, which I think the Walking Dead did a good job of, the comics, especially, of showing the way people over time would evolve to deal with zombies and how people would gradually, completely, like, change or transform based on their predators.

[447] You know, like, the rats and mice have done that, you know, when you see a thing that is a prey animal you're seeing a reflection of the predator in the prey animal are you aware what's going on with rats in new york city i can't i'm fucking imagine rat wars going on because the restaurants are out business right so the restaurants closed down so all the rats food supplies gone so rats have started moving into other rats territories and killing and cannibalizing rats even wow dude that's crazy that's a cartoon the rats didn't do anything wrong they're just being rats and all of sudden the food supply got cut off holy shit man that that is so intense and that yeah and think of that level of reality that level of reality that is taking place in these some of those tunnels down there man they don't even use them anymore like there's rat infested yeah just floods of rats who have like you know decided that's their kingdom or whatever that are now being invaded that's so weird out down and also it's dark like just it's all smell so like the world of a rat down there it's not like there's light in the subterranean depths of new york so it's like their universes there's a universe of smell and i guess maybe they could i'm sure they do see down there but the way they see is like who knows so they're looking at whatever they're seeing is a completely different thing and then they have a complete different set of priorities you know what's that show man it's on it's a it's a really beautiful but disgusting documentary i think it's called rats yeah rats the one on Netflix like they send the weak ones to eat poison yeah yeah that just that alone we played a video the other day of a rat setting off a mouse trap with a stick carrying a stick over to the mouse trap dropping it the trap goes off and it doesn't even flinch like it knows how to shut off a trap yeah yeah that's that's fucking crazy dude there's millions of them too that's what's really crazy New York City has as many rats as it has people.

[448] And that's just a rough guess.

[449] You know, I mean, I don't know what kind of fucking rat census they're taking.

[450] I mean, how do they know?

[451] How do they know?

[452] I mean, what do you get a bunch of dudes who are just experts at counting shit?

[453] And you go, what do you think?

[454] And like, a fuck load.

[455] Do you want to say there's as many rats that there are people?

[456] Okay, watch this.

[457] Look at this.

[458] Watch this.

[459] Watch this.

[460] Boom.

[461] Sets it off.

[462] Didn't even flinch, dude.

[463] Play that again.

[464] Watch how he walks up to it, sets it off.

[465] And watch how he doesn't flinch.

[466] That's a violent thing.

[467] A thing exploding in front of him and slamming over the ground and he 100 % knew it was going to happen no that didn't even flinch it's the way i act when i'm getting like a coke out of a machine exactly just whatever this we did i do it all the time it's cool little you know that coke drops you don't bounce back it's like thank god they that's nice they're leaving these for us now i wonder if they know that this is dangerous they'll probably figure it out yeah they know how to set those things off that's insane well this is you know when this is one of the cool essays Terrence McKenna wrote I love that we've talked about before for if we've talked about the pop I guess we've probably talked about everything we talk about already so fuck it but that isn't that one of the things he said in this beautiful crazy essay that like everything was cool until we split the atom and then that was like no they're like we can't that's too much that's we're always in transit so when we say everything was cool until the thing about people is we're always going somewhere in terms of we're always trying to make better things and we're always moving into a better place and a better thing that that there's never going to be it was good until let's all like romantic thinking like looking back on the past i don't mean he's saying it was good until we split adam he was saying we split the atom and the greater intelligences that were existing in alternate dimensions were like hey wait what the fuck oh and that that's that's what you would say it is they're like oh they're like wait wait wait wait wait no no no they can't do that like if they do because like the like the way he put it and i'm i'm not only paraphrasing i'm probably like misphrasing but as i remember the essay the idea is like that that mold that parallel timeline the multiverse right next to ours that you see that's the DMT realm that's but the DMT is just showing you one version of it's but that that that is populated with uh spirits or aliens or whatever the name you want to give them.

[468] And they are pretty much, as far as we go, they're just like, they look at us the way we look at birds or whatever.

[469] You know, it's like they're there, but, you know, maybe some of them study us or interest, and sure, maybe some of them like hunt us from time to time or like maybe some of them possess us or whatever, but mostly it's a world that it coexists with us in a very limited form of interaction that uh is is you know subtle but in there somehow there's some like star trek intentionality behind that which is like let them do their let them evolve as they're evolving let's not fuck with it but the splitting of atom that was powerful enough that it bled over into their realm destructively and so they were like that was the beginning of the end for us not because it meant a nuclear holocaust or whatever but because they couldn't just Norse anymore and that this is this was like you know I don't know that maybe this is where aliens are coming or the singularity that with the thing we call the singularity is not that we technologically create a machine that produces a thing that opens up a parallel timeline or creates all moments at once but rather that's when they come here that in the way we see that because we're so limited in our understanding when I do something I'm like I'm doing this This is how I did it.

[470] I did it.

[471] This is like in music, if you write a song and you write music and you're just in the room with somebody, there's some kind of law where they get credit for it because just they were there.

[472] That's a collaboration.

[473] Musicians, someone explained this to me a long time ago, but it's, it's, there's an intense way of quantifying collaboration and music that is a little different than in like making like other, other forms of media.

[474] And I think it's a little bit more sophisticated.

[475] sophisticated in its way of looking at that quantification like we tell every time we finished a podcast we always have saying damn whenever we talk it's like you bring like our when we're these conversations we have I'm not having them all the time you know what I mean it's like the us together and Jamie and like something about that produces a space where we're able to have these kinds of conversations and so quantifying that is like how would you even fucking quantify that but anyway what I'm saying is right when certain people are around the people that are creating the music the music is better yeah that you know but so to get back to the weirdo idea of like technology not even being a thing we're making but we're pretending we're making because we can't see the fact that technology is crystallizing in our time frame and as part of that crystallization because it's such a such an insane visitation we have to in our brains invent a reason that is happening and so We're making it.

[476] And someone's like, oh, I had this idea.

[477] I'm going to work on this thing.

[478] That's going to lead to a quantum computer.

[479] That's going to lead to a thing to a thing.

[480] And then all of a sudden, the quantum computer starts giving ideas about, well, why don't you try this?

[481] And then who fucking came up with that?

[482] And then, you know what I mean?

[483] And then, and that's the last phase before the veil lifts.

[484] And boom, that's the singularity.

[485] And that's, you know, and it's not, we didn't make the singularity.

[486] were a reflection of it.

[487] That's just when this particular zone or note or whatever you want to call it, it gets open for business, so to speak.

[488] Well, if it wanted to prepare us for abandoning life as usual, this would be a good way to start it.

[489] Yeah, yeah.

[490] Start it with a little pandemic, lock everybody inside for a little bit, complete upending of all that's normal in terms of society.

[491] Yeah, man. I mean, that's the, that is the, and, you know, I was driving over, I'm like, I don't, I want to talk about, like, all the different conspiracies about it with Rogan, but I don't want to either.

[492] What kind of conspiracies?

[493] About the pandemic?

[494] Yeah.

[495] What are the conspiracies you're hearing, but other than 5G?

[496] 5G, common impact.

[497] Common impact.

[498] Yeah.

[499] I haven't heard that one.

[500] Well, the comp, well, you're definitely not my wife.

[501] Because I've mentioned it so many times my wife.

[502] She's like, Duncan, please.

[503] Do you, like, every day?

[504] Is there one that was supposed to fly by?

[505] Like, there's a media that's supposed to fly by in the next short amount of time?

[506] Yeah.

[507] I mean, check out Reddit conspiracy.

[508] My conspiracy friends, I'm not even going to attempt to give the download on it because, like, y 'all have done a pretty good job of putting all the pieces together out there, whether they're real or not.

[509] I don't fucking know, but I enjoy reading them late at night.

[510] And they've been giving me terrible dreams.

[511] But the asteroid theory is that, okay, so.

[512] We want to have, by we, I mean, they want to have maximum survivability for the planet.

[513] They're not out to like, they don't want people to die.

[514] They're not trying to, it's not a bioengineered thing that's designed to, like, call the population, which is another of the theories.

[515] But rather, there was a plan, which is like, what's our plan if we do see a meteor is going to impact the planet?

[516] What's our plan?

[517] Do we let people know that the meteor is going to impact?

[518] well it depends like if an astronomer that's not connected to one of our labs or whatever sees it they're going to let people know and then you know so that's a whole different i think method of like reacting but what if we see a thing that they don't know about and there's some probability even a 20 % chance the thing impacts the earth right or there's some cosmic event maybe we're not even aware of like the sun doing some weird shit that we don't even know happens because it's so deep it's like deep data right so maybe it's not an asteroid.

[519] It's a cosmic event that's approaching, right?

[520] And so there's got to be a plan.

[521] And it's like, well, if we just tell people that the sun's going to do like a mild blip, which is going to destroy all satellites and destroy all GPS, and just that alone would cause runs on the bank, mass panics, like in people would start looting and shit.

[522] And that's not, you don't want that because the idea is like we want them to hole up in their houses until the shit passes so we get maximum survivability.

[523] And so the whole pandemic, this is a conspiracy theory, not real.

[524] The whole pandemic was a plan to get people to go inside, store up food, get them off the roads, and like wait for this, whatever this event is to pass.

[525] And as soon as the event passes, you'll find that it's all of a sudden it's like, what do you know?

[526] The curves are all dropping off.

[527] What do you know?

[528] And then we'll all be back because the thing they were working.

[529] worried about didn't happen.

[530] Also, it could be a test for that so that...

[531] Can I just stop you?

[532] Please stop me. It's so dumb.

[533] It's hard to believe.

[534] Thank you.

[535] There's a real virus.

[536] They can...

[537] Dude, I know.

[538] They can image it.

[539] I know what it looks like.

[540] They've been able to test for it, antibodies.

[541] They test for a liars and life.

[542] It's a real virus.

[543] It's a confusing virus.

[544] It's so good that I'm married the person I'm married because if not, like, I would probably be like digging a hole to, like, crawl into out of pure paranoid.

[545] If she does do this to me, she's like, Duncan, do you think there isn't a COVID virus?

[546] Like, you think there's no virus out there?

[547] Do you think that, like, maybe, like, so all the scientists that have, like, identified COVID are all part of this thing to keep us from the meteor thing?

[548] And then I'm like, yeah, yeah, your thank you.

[549] Because, like, I'll start getting freaked out from it, but I'll answer your question.

[550] Like, if I had to answer that, I would say, oh, no, it's real.

[551] I mean, that was a blame.

[552] How many people have died from it now?

[553] What is the current COVID death count?

[554] It costs 50 ,000 today, this morning.

[555] 50 ,000?

[556] Here's something that I found out that's kind of odd.

[557] If you die of something else, so people are still dying, right?

[558] They're still dying of high blood pressure, strokes, heart attacks still killing more people than anything, right?

[559] If you die of a heart attack and you have COVID, you get listed as a COVID death.

[560] So even if you're going to die of a heart attack, I mean, people are still dying, right?

[561] Same amount of people, other than traffic accidents, which I think has been.

[562] diminished quite a bit because no one's driving.

[563] But the same, those people are going to die still.

[564] It's not like they live forever without the COVID.

[565] Right.

[566] It's not like they don't get the flu.

[567] It's not like they don't get a cold.

[568] It's not like they don't get pneumonia.

[569] All these things exist with or without COVID.

[570] There's still, people are still dying from them.

[571] But if you die of one of those things and you have COVID, it's a COVID death.

[572] Yeah.

[573] So for some, that's why it's so crazy.

[574] It's like you don't really know what, how many people.

[575] are actually getting this thing, this COVID, and having a mild reaction, how many people are having no reaction, how many people are dying?

[576] Right.

[577] That's when they did that new UCLA study that came out that showed they think there's way more people that have been.

[578] They think California alone is somewhere around 400 ,000 people get infected.

[579] And so the fatality rate is still pretty low.

[580] But if that's the case, like, so what do we do?

[581] We just let people die?

[582] or do we do this every time the flu comes around too now?

[583] Like, what if we get a particularly rough flu?

[584] Is this a practice run for what we're going to do every time colds come through?

[585] And they start killing old people or killing sick people or fat people or when do we...

[586] I mean, I wouldn't want to be the person that makes the call as to when people go back to work because what if the second wave comes and a bunch of people die that didn't have to die?

[587] Right.

[588] But boy, if we set up a weird precedent, you know, it's kind of weird.

[589] We shut everything down.

[590] Yeah, man. I mean, well, to me, the part that makes sense, is uh well we stop the spread well also the other thing is it's like it's new yeah I mean there are coronavirus we don't know what it is right so we don't have all the we have the data on the flu we have the data on the cold we know how to treat the cold we know how to treat the flu but this fucking thing we don't know what it is and it's conflicting data too yeah yeah so I kind of get the like super super super intense careful approach to it and I and I think if I had to make the decision that would be the decision that I made but then also I hope whoever and thank God people like us don't make those decisions but hopefully whoever's like making these decisions is aware of the fact that like right now there's folks who are getting meals on wheels there's folks who are like on unemployment and lost their job and like I hope they're aware of the fact that like and I'm sure they are that the pressure of folks who are in this horrendous economic position, the pressure on them at some point is going to exceed the humanity and compassion and empathy they're showing by not being in the demographic that's most likely to die and still staying inside, losing their job.

[591] You know, that's love, man. That's deep compassion because you don't want someone's granddad to suffocate on some new fucking bat flu, right?

[592] That's really love.

[593] That's love.

[594] And that's beautiful.

[595] But at some point, that pressure is, people are going to be like, look, I don't want to kill anybody.

[596] I don't want to be a carrier.

[597] I don't ever want to hurt anybody.

[598] But my kid is got to have food.

[599] And I have to work.

[600] And, you know, and then I think somewhere there, hopefully by then there's at least a treatment they've discovered, or at least we get to a point where they've, you know, where maybe what's happening in Sweden, we get enough data on that to realize that there's other ways to do it that don't involve complete lockdown.

[601] Yeah.

[602] What they did was they sort of left everything open, but they all behaved as if there's the potential of contacting or transmitting, right?

[603] Yeah.

[604] Like they didn't wear masks.

[605] Right?

[606] They do.

[607] It doesn't look like they're wearing masks.

[608] It looks like they're.

[609] They didn't close everything down.

[610] They didn't close them.

[611] They used to go to restaurants and pubs.

[612] And is their death rate similar?

[613] Well, the thing I saw was like if you look at nearby countries, the death rate is lower, but weirdly, countries that were doing complete lockdowns have higher death rates than they do.

[614] And, you know, look, the problem is, like, you have this glob of data that anyone can interpret, and there's probably angles you can take on it that would show, look, yeah, there's a higher death rate, of course, in Sweden, because it's going to spread more if people aren't staying inside.

[615] I mean, that seems pretty logical to me. But then also if you're showing some conflicting data where some other country in complete lockdown with a similar population or somehow like equating their population with Sweden's population, if they're, if they've got a higher death rate, then that's fucking terrifying, man, because the implication of it is like we really don't understand what this is.

[616] There's other factors too.

[617] Yeah.

[618] One big one in Sweden is not a dense population.

[619] I don't think there's that many people in the entire country.

[620] It's a very small place.

[621] That's right.

[622] Like, how many people live in Sweden?

[623] I think I looked this up to the other day.

[624] I think most of the people live in small villages of, like, less than 200.

[625] Yeah.

[626] There you go.

[627] Yeah.

[628] So, you know, they probably don't travel that much or interact with each other that much.

[629] They have plenty of space.

[630] They don't travel that much.

[631] I mean, tight together, I mean.

[632] 10 .23 million for the entire country.

[633] By the way, it's great.

[634] I've been to Stockholm.

[635] It was gorgeous, beautiful.

[636] We did a show there, too.

[637] They were really nice.

[638] I enjoyed it very much Very very friendly people But you know They have a lot of space They're not New York City New York City seems to be the epicenter in the United States And for good reason Everyone's stacked on top of each other Everyone's interacting with each other On the streets On the subways Moving around You gotta go to places There's fucking people everywhere They're everywhere Everywhere That I think is a terrible way to live I dude I fucking love New York so much when I went there was so nice, but yeah, it's nice to be on the West Coast.

[639] And especially right now, Jamie was, you know, talking about, like, think of the people right now in New York who were just in, you know, alone in an apartment, seeing the news that apparently spreads through, like, air conditioning ducts.

[640] It's like, you know what I mean?

[641] That's terrifying, but, you know, again, like my opinion on it, and in my old age, this has to be my opinion on things.

[642] is like, I'm going to trust scientists.

[643] I'm just going to because I didn't go to medical school.

[644] I don't understand what the fuck a virus even is.

[645] Like, I don't remember.

[646] I've been trying to remember.

[647] I'm too lazy to Google it, how it works.

[648] I know it fucks with, it gets into your DNA.

[649] It replaces it.

[650] But what I'm saying is I'm not suggesting some kind of surrender to authority out of absolute weakness.

[651] But if a large consensus of scientists are, are advising some specific method of dealing with this thing.

[652] Let's listen to them, you know?

[653] And then just make sure that it's, I feel bad for like, I have a friend in Georgia right now.

[654] And like right now he's become part of an experiment, a global experiment.

[655] They're opening up Georgia right now.

[656] And every state that opens up right now becomes an experiment.

[657] We're going to get a lot of data from what happens, from all these states opening up right now regarding the efficacy of a shutdown like we have right now and it could be that all of a sudden we realized we overreacted and you know what I'd much rather overreact than under react in situations like this you know it's like fuck we overreacted whoops yeah we didn't we thought there was the potential to think of mutate and kill fuck tons of people way more than the flu and we were wrong and it fucked up the economy but it's a lot better than what would have happened if it was some new smallpox or black plague right also look it killed 50 ,000 people right what if we did nothing would it have killed like 400 ,000 exactly I mean that could have happened I mean it could have compounded it it seems like for whatever reason these places where people are contact or stacked on top of each other not only do they get it but they get it way worse right yeah it seems like what's that expression viral load right yeah like the viral load is greater and the in like if you're around a bunch of sick people like there was one awful story about this family in New Jersey and like the mother died and the oldest son died and the middle son died like three people died from one family vacation or one family dinner they got together and one of them had it and just spread through the fucking house it's not the flu you know it's obviously it's something way more intense but the people that have survived the flu they'll probably survive that too but the people that you know we're kind of hanging on edge it seems like anybody with a respiratory problem is in deep shit anybody who smokes is a deep shit people with high blood pressure diabetes deep shit it's not the same with everybody other people like idraselba walks it off you know healthy i know but he has asthma apparently oh really yeah he had asthma but he didn't you know there's a lot of people that i don't that chris quomo guy seems fine i know he says he gets chills but he seems fine seems rattled though you know i've got i've got i don't not not not In the bad way.

[658] Yeah, exactly.

[659] Like, I didn't, that was one at watching him was one of the things that was legitimately creeping me out is like, as you're watching him, and he did a great job holding it together, man. He didn't panic and he, like, put something out there that was, like, comforting to some degree.

[660] But, you know, I was scanning his eyes.

[661] And there were moments from like, fuck, he's rattled.

[662] Like, whatever's happening in him at night is bad, bad.

[663] Why is it happening at night?

[664] What is the difference?

[665] You know, I don't, that's just, I don't understand that.

[666] If you look fine in the day, how come at night?

[667] all of a sudden everything's all fucked up don't ask me man i don't know it's like i've noticed though sometimes if i get sick night is always worse than the day i don't know why i don't know man but the whatever like whatever the fuck it is to to me like the part that really sucks i got friends who are like immunocompromise man and that that means that like they they're they really will if they get it that's it's game over you know it's fuck it's fuck it sucks and so there's that quality to it too or you're like you know statistically i don't know where i'm at like statistically i think i'm i'm i'm on the cusp you know but uh p we've got all of us have friends that are like dead meat if this thing were to explode so fuck it you know i get i'm not i get staying inside man i just know that like eventually you know my brother my brother was telling me every day his neighbor you know my brother works from home he's in he's in he's a video editor every day, and a producer, every day, these, you know, he sees, like, you know, he sees people are getting food deliveries because they can't from the state, you know, man, and that's like, I don't know, I'm just glad I don't have to, I'm glad I don't have to be the one who makes decisions like this, because that must be a weird thing to be in a position where any decision you make kills people.

[668] Like, if you make the decision to open up, people are going to, you know, die because they're going to get sick.

[669] If you don't make this decision to open up, there's a potential that, you know, just think of the mentally ill people right now.

[670] No one's talking about that.

[671] Like, I keep thinking like the manic depressive people, the people who are already depressed, who now can't go outside, but are also getting blasted with apocalypse news.

[672] I don't know what suicide rates are looking like right now, but like, you know what I mean?

[673] So it's the decision to keep people shut down, you know, is going to, what might result from that, those deaths might be secondary or tertiary or some shit.

[674] But still, it's like, it just sucks to have to be in a position where you have to make those decisions.

[675] And it's like, how awful to know.

[676] It's just, it's like brutal.

[677] I feel terrible for them, you know, anyone who's like, because I don't, you know, I don't know what they're going to do either.

[678] I mean, they're going to have to eventually assume the position that we're going to have to slowly open up and start, you know, restaurants at half capacity and shit like that.

[679] Yeah.

[680] But when?

[681] You know, I mean, they've said May 15th here.

[682] That seems like an awful long time.

[683] I know.

[684] It's an awful long time to ask people to keep it together that don't have any money.

[685] It's an awful long time.

[686] It's an awful, awful long time.

[687] It doesn't seem like the best idea either.

[688] It seems like the best idea would be to quarantine all the people that are very vulnerable to make sure that they quarantine and make sure that people who know them, are aware, you know, do not, you know, touch them or touch anything around them if you could have potentially been in contact with something because they're immunocompromised.

[689] Well, that seems like the move.

[690] The move seems like to quarantine the people, at this point at least, to self -quarantine, you know, tell them to quarantine, people that are really vulnerable, older people, people with, you know, people that smoke, people with respiratory conditions, be aware that you're vulnerable, you know, and then you act accordingly.

[691] but everybody else we need to at some point in time whether it's this week or next week or three weeks from now when they think it is May 15th right that's like three weeks from now they're going to have to open the doors and when they open the doors people are going to be starving they're going to be starving yeah you know they haven't worked there's so many people that are so behind their debts they're getting good you know debt collectors are still wanting their money yeah especially if they had loans or you know anything that was outstanding before all this happened they're already in debt trying to work the way out of a hole and they can't even work This is the only time we've ever been in a position where people can't even go to work.

[692] Yeah.

[693] What do you, okay, so I've heard like three ideas regarding what to do.

[694] One of them is like incredibly controversial.

[695] I wonder what you think about it, which is like using the same data that they use in like, what's it called?

[696] Those chips.

[697] South Korea, yeah.

[698] No, the chips you can put on.

[699] Yeah, it's Bluetooth.

[700] So it's essentially like tracking and alerting you if you've come in contact with someone who has it.

[701] What do you think about that?

[702] I don't trust anyone to have all that data and only use it for that.

[703] Right.

[704] There's no way.

[705] That data would be so valuable.

[706] If everyone had a chip and everyone was tracked, you knew where everyone was all throughout the day.

[707] Oh, you're only going to use that to see who's got coronavirus?

[708] Really?

[709] Yeah.

[710] Get the fuck out of here.

[711] Once that technology exists, it's not like they're going to murder it at the end of the fucking season.

[712] Well, we've got no more COVID, so let's just stop all this technology.

[713] No chance.

[714] They'll find a new reason to use it.

[715] They'll be able to track the flu.

[716] They'll be able to track adulterers.

[717] They'll be able to track robbers.

[718] They'll be able to track carjackers.

[719] They'll be able to track...

[720] You name it, man. You name it.

[721] These are the right -wing activists that like to yell at abortion clinics.

[722] Let's track them.

[723] You know, now a Republican gets in an office.

[724] Hey, these are the people that are the fucking animal rights activist.

[725] They're always getting in front of the meat plant.

[726] Let's track them.

[727] Right.

[728] Like, you can't track people.

[729] And they're already doing it anyway.

[730] You talk to Snowden.

[731] They're already tracking you.

[732] buy your goddamn phone, but I like the fact that I could take this phone and chuck it in the fucking river.

[733] I could just chuck it.

[734] I would throw it in the ocean.

[735] No, I wouldn't even do that.

[736] I'm environmentally conscious.

[737] I wouldn't.

[738] I wouldn't.

[739] I wouldn't.

[740] I wouldn't.

[741] I really feel strongly about that.

[742] I would never litter like that.

[743] But point is, I can get rid of that fucking follow.

[744] It's not a part of my body.

[745] Once they're injecting, I've talked about this way too many podcasts in a row, but there's a company that had these people inject a microchip in their arm.

[746] and they could wave it in front of the soda machine and get fucking snacks with it and shit.

[747] It was like your tab was on your arm.

[748] Mike's here, open the door, it unlocks the door.

[749] Get the fuck out of here.

[750] And we were saying, like, what if that company fires you?

[751] What if Chipotle fires you?

[752] You got that Chip in your arm.

[753] But I was management.

[754] It's not a regular Chipotle chip.

[755] Imagine?

[756] You imagine?

[757] And now you have to work for fucking Seven Up.

[758] And Seven Up's like, we're going to have to cut your arm off Yeah.

[759] Because he keeps registering that you're a Chipotle Invader.

[760] You know, you...

[761] 10 chips in your arm because you worked at...

[762] Right.

[763] Just kept getting a new job every year.

[764] Keep getting new chips.

[765] Mike, why don't you get those chips removed?

[766] I like them.

[767] They remind me, you know, I've had a hard life and a lot of good jobs.

[768] Oh, God!

[769] Chips all around his arm.

[770] I'm proud of my chips.

[771] I've told...

[772] That's a way I've always been.

[773] Always been a hard worker.

[774] Oh, I earned these chips.

[775] I earned all these chips.

[776] Every single one of these chips means...

[777] You know, also, when you combine those chips with augmented reality so that you could have a visual floating around them as like the mascot of the various companies they work for or like you know like let's say we do get the chip right the chip exists and we all just somehow decide like yeah let's just do it i mean fuck the old book of revelations that's just the old bullshit the old mark of the beast i'm not going to pay any attention let's get the chip that's just some old ancient bullshit all right come on i want to i want to get sodas without having to pull out my fucking wallet it sucks i'm sick of it i'm exhausted all day from this activity but we all get the chips and then what happens is you and of course it would start off with like a decision to make like you like what what data in the chip do you want people to be able to see with a augmented reality and so like this is where you run into what I think the future is going to look like with this shit is it's like it's like when you're walking around in your company and your employee of the month and everybody's wearing augmented reality goggles you're going to have some kind of employee of the month halo around you so to everybody's aware that you made the most sales, you know?

[778] Yeah.

[779] It's going to be like that.

[780] The shit.

[781] Yeah.

[782] And it's going to be like that for like, you know, it's going to be brutal as far as, let's say, credit scores go, right?

[783] Because if you've got a great credit score and you want to indicate to the world that if you want to get into debt, you can, baby, because you've got a great credit score, you're going to have this glowing shit around you.

[784] Me and like, and in the moment one person decides to reveal that everybody.

[785] Everybody's going to feel like they have to reveal it.

[786] And if you see someone who doesn't have like the good credit score crown or whatever, like the banner of great credit floating in front of them, you're like, yeah, you're probably fucked, right?

[787] Like you made some bad decisions.

[788] You'll see someone who's got a lot of shit, nice car, really nice clothes.

[789] But you'll be like, yeah, but you know, he doesn't have the glowing medallion of good credit on his AR self.

[790] So I don't know if he really owns any of that stuff, you know?

[791] Right.

[792] And then, you know what I mean?

[793] then it's going to like there's going to be all forms of that which leads to like you know venereal disease like you could go into a bar and if you just got tested and you're clean so to speak then maybe there's like a little AR like clean angel that like flies around your head like he doesn't have herpes we can bear back and like you know what I mean like that kind those bits of data that that if you don't show them there's some reason to be suspicious yeah you know what I mean oh yeah you walk up to someone they have no data they're just blank you'd be terrified yeah you're just a person who I'm just supposed to trust you yeah you could be a serial killer fuck that we're gonna look back on times when we just would meet people like this and not have some halo to go by yeah like if I see Jamie Jamie'd have like a nice golden glow I'd be like look at him he's got a high approval rating yeah got some cash yeah that's a good catch yeah there you go If you go to a nightclub, all the dudes who are glowing gold, people would be like, oh, and girls with like purple credit scores, they'd come in and try to get close to the guys and the gold, try to get a little of that gold on them, clean up that credit.

[794] Yeah, yeah, man. Imagine if you knew, like, if a girl was really hot, you look at her credit card, oh, my God, bank fraud.

[795] Look at her.

[796] She's a bank frauder.

[797] Yeah.

[798] Like that, you don't get that gray outline unless you do bank fraud.

[799] That's right.

[800] Yeah, and there's no way to get it off.

[801] You imagine.

[802] Yeah.

[803] And that, you know, there's going to be big arguments about that where it's like, you know, currently, if you're a registered sex offender, we know where you fucking live.

[804] And I get it, man. Like, that's good.

[805] That's good.

[806] But then it's going to be like, okay, but do we put that in their augmented reality chip profile so that anywhere they go, people are seeing that this is a person that hurts kids, you know?

[807] And there's going to be a. conversation about that.

[808] We're going to like, fuck, yeah, that's what you do.

[809] Like, I want to know if some, like, weirdo is, like, getting anywhere close to my kid, right?

[810] Fuck, yeah, you let it.

[811] In any way, that's a slippery slope that leads to the dystopian, like, you know, black mirror future in that great episode where, like, there was, like, you know, and I think they are doing it in China.

[812] They're doing it in China.

[813] Yeah, they have a legit social score in in China.

[814] This is a real concern if this technology does get released in time.

[815] and people start using their COVID test and putting it on their QR code, that little thing that you do with the photo and it scans you like a plane ticket.

[816] Yeah.

[817] Like, oh, you're good, Duncan.

[818] Seems like you're good.

[819] Make sure you keep that phone on you everywhere you go.

[820] No problem, officer.

[821] You know, Duncan, we got an email the other day that shows that you have been going, I don't know who has this data, but you've been going down to San Clemente during the lockdown.

[822] Yeah.

[823] To stay with friends.

[824] No, there's a glory hole there that I like.

[825] This is not allowed.

[826] What?

[827] You're traveling.

[828] Like, see, look at what if we do this?

[829] What if we go into this scanning thing and then a new pandemic pops up and we go into lockdown again?

[830] They're going to be able to find the people that aren't locking down.

[831] What if you've got to drive somewhere in the middle of the night to go get something?

[832] Yeah.

[833] Something important for your family.

[834] Yeah.

[835] Well, all of something, you're being tracked.

[836] And then they call you.

[837] Duncan, where are you going?

[838] Yeah.

[839] Where you going?

[840] We are looking at you right now.

[841] You're in San Clemente.

[842] You don't live in San Clemente.

[843] Why are you down there?

[844] Yeah.

[845] But I, you know, I'm just freedom.

[846] I want to drive around.

[847] I don't know.

[848] This is a lockdown.

[849] Yeah.

[850] There's a new flu.

[851] Go back home, Duncan.

[852] You want to kill people?

[853] It's a weird, it's a weird power to give people.

[854] The power to have a mayor tell you what you can do.

[855] That's never happened before.

[856] I'm not saying they're doing it because of that.

[857] I know why they're doing it.

[858] doing it to save lives.

[859] I'm 100 % for it.

[860] I'm not, don't get me wrong here.

[861] But still, that power that anybody has to say you can't work, you got to stay home, you can't go to the park, you can't go to the beach, that power's weird.

[862] That's a lot of power, man, you know, to be the person, Gavin, may we open?

[863] Not yet.

[864] Yeah.

[865] Not yet.

[866] But what if they social distance?

[867] I mean, they need to make money.

[868] yeah we need to save lives yeah it sucks yeah it's no good answer it's a shit job man it's like the shittiest that's the shittiest job because it's like you you you you no decision you make is gonna make everybody happy any decision you make is gonna ruin someone's life maybe kill him and so yeah all these people also no one thought that was going to be a part of the job right yeah you didn't think that you thought you're gonna deal with like yeah Gavin wasn't like he didn't know that when he like got in there he was suddenly going to be like potentially like one of the war leaders in mad max he didn't understand that was going to be his world dude this is how poorly they thought this through garcetti is giving people money to snitch they're giving people money to snitch on social distance violators what yeah so if you go over your buddy mike's house for a barbecue there's eight people in that backyard helen look that's fucked up eight fucking people we're over here social distancing that cut duncan trussle he's over there's over at Mike's house, barbecuing, drinking beers, probably wife swapping, pigs.

[869] Wife swapping.

[870] Garcetti comes along and offers people money to rat you out.

[871] How much do they get?

[872] I was wondering if they've even done that yet.

[873] It can't be real.

[874] I saw that.

[875] I just thought that's not real.

[876] They were offering people rewards to rat out social distance violators.

[877] Disgusting.

[878] I mean, how you don't know that.

[879] leads to Maoist China and fucking Stalinist Russia.

[880] How you don't know that getting people to rat on people leads to North Korea.

[881] I'm not saying we're going to be in North Korea, but that kind of shit.

[882] That's where that comes from.

[883] It's how it starts.

[884] You can't pay people to rat people out, you fucking asshole.

[885] What a shitty, poorly thought out idea that is.

[886] No shit, man. They're like any form of it.

[887] I saw something popped up on my Instagram, some company saying if you're aware that you're bosses are violating like software like don't have licensed software you know we'll give you a reward inviting people like disgruntled employees who know that their boss is running like stolen photoshop or whatever to like make a little money and fuck their boss over and it's like that invitation to snitch that is a satanic invitation man that is like i don't care what level it's at like in general unless you're looking at like hardcore snowden level whistleblower or like like you've been down in the deep underground military bases and you saw the fucking thing in the egg that could read your mind and you're like, I can't keep it to myself.

[888] I'm going to fucking tell people.

[889] You know, I get that.

[890] But like any, the other versions of it, yeah, fuck that.

[891] Don't invite us to snitch.

[892] Don't encourage that behavior.

[893] There's better ways to do it, I'm sure, than like bounties on your fucking neighbors.

[894] That's fucked up.

[895] So fucked up.

[896] It's just so fucked up that someone who would get as high as mayor of Los Angeles would let an idea like that slip through the cracks.

[897] Like, what fucking fascist do you have working in that office that, like, I got an idea.

[898] Oh, God.

[899] Pay people to rat people out.

[900] Yeah.

[901] These fucks, they haven't been working.

[902] Yeah.

[903] They need money for masks.

[904] Yeah.

[905] That's it.

[906] What is it?

[907] He did say snitches get rewards, but he said it's the opposite of snitches get stitches.

[908] I can't find anything.

[909] Oh, no, they'll definitely get stitches.

[910] I can't find anything saying like they get 50 bucks, 100 bucks, this is the reward you get.

[911] He might be like...

[912] The opposite of snitches get stitches, as if they're not still snitches and as if snitches don't still get stitches.

[913] Right.

[914] What are you talking about?

[915] You're going to absolutely make sure that these people don't get beat up for being snitches.

[916] You're going to step in with cops, give them 24 -hour security guards.

[917] If you find out that your neighbor ratted you out for money, oh my God, you'd want to kill him.

[918] It would be like, what happened to that dude?

[919] to what's his face Ron Paul's kid you know what I'm talking about the congressman who got tackled oh that's right Rand Paul ran Paul his his neighbor was like fuck you just out of nowhere tackles him smashes his ribs he lost a piece of his lung yeah man that's fucked up and it's like because you're what you're asking for there which is another thing that I think the state anytime anyone starts doing this then you really have to start thinking about who you voted for because the idea is like I love it when you know and I'm cheesy and I am a fucking hippie and I get accused of stoner talking shit but yeah I want there to be world peace and I want people to love each other and when I see uh you know any even the slightest thing that like transcends political divides where like you know people who've hated fucking Trump and people Trump have hated I saw something we're like I can't remember who it was like, God, what's the name of the Mormon politician that was running for president against Trump?

[920] Mitt Romney.

[921] Romney.

[922] So some dude, like, voted against releasing money to people who don't have jobs.

[923] And Mitt Romney tweeted, well, that senator, whoever he was, tested positive for being an asshole.

[924] And, yeah, Matt Romney said that.

[925] And fucking, you know, and then, like, there was this just flickering moment where Trump retweets out or says something about it and says like I didn't know he had that sense of humor but I liked it and like for that one stupid moment there's a second where it's like that's we're supposed to be on the same team right and and like you know that's not a political statement that's like a statement of survivability and when you have a fucking when you have a and again I'm not saying bow down to the state or anything like that either that's the opposite of what I'm saying I'm not saying therefore we all got to be up the side of the president none of that shit.

[926] I'm not saying any of that shit, man. So don't take this the wrong way, because that's not what I'm saying.

[927] What I'm saying is when anything that divides one neighbor from the next, anything that invites neighbors to divide instead of unite is cancerous literally for society in the sense that what's going to start happening is the pixel of society is the neighbors.

[928] That's like the connection between your neighbors makes up the tapestry of the entire country and that connection if it's broken or weird or fucked up then that's that's fucking everything up and and so to invite that invite anything that fucks that up is to me really really long -term disastrous it's like the idea would be like hey does your name is your neighbor an old person go find out if your neighbor's an old person and can't get food and if they are and you get food to them we'll pay for it right how about that yes that's beautiful like You know someone who's like fucked up right now.

[929] Let us know so we can make sure they're not.

[930] Their kids aren't starving.

[931] Right.

[932] Are there any, do you know it?

[933] Like, man, what about the fucking kids whose parents are right now super fucking sick with this shit?

[934] Like, we need governors and we need people saying like, you need to know where the kids are in the building so that, and whose parents are sick.

[935] So we can make sure those kids are getting taken care of while their parents are all in bed and shit.

[936] Like so fuck that.

[937] That is what people get.

[938] rewards for that why don't we have a way of monetizing kindness in in in in acts of like grace to your neighbors instead of monetizing like you becoming like literally what is one of a universally derided thing which is a snitch you don't want to be a snitch fuck snitches get stitches no maybe they don't get stitches but man i'll tell you when you die wouldn't want to be you wouldn't want to be a snitch in the afterlife i'll tell you that man You get devoured by spirit wolves.

[939] Like, I bet just...

[940] Spirit wolves?

[941] I'm sure.

[942] You don't get the, like, experience of, like, you know, going through the bar, seeing your mom come running to you, like a bowl of soup.

[943] It's your mom.

[944] She comes running to you and you think it's a bowl of soup, but you look in it, it's your wife's head.

[945] And then you look back up.

[946] It's a spirit wolf.

[947] It's like, so you thought it was smart to snitch in that dimension, huh?

[948] No. No. It's your soul forever.

[949] Yeah, maybe.

[950] Just don't snitch.

[951] That's fucked up.

[952] Well, it's just ridiculous.

[953] that someone in a position of real leadership, right?

[954] You're the mayor of a huge city, and you would think that that would be a good idea.

[955] Listen, people are going to snitch on people anyway.

[956] But to encourage them with financial reward is crazy.

[957] It is crazy.

[958] And it's so poorly thought out.

[959] Yeah, that's a dumb idea to put out there.

[960] Such a poor understanding of human nature.

[961] Yeah.

[962] Like, you don't know where this goes?

[963] Yeah.

[964] And also, in a time of great duress, you're encouraging people to snitch.

[965] Yeah.

[966] This is absolutely the time we've got to be encouraging camaraderie.

[967] Yeah.

[968] This is when things are weird?

[969] Everybody's forced into the same position.

[970] No one was the last time you were on stage?

[971] I haven't been on stage in a month.

[972] I've been doing private shows for my son.

[973] I'm just kidding.

[974] I haven't been on my own things.

[975] I'm sure they're great.

[976] We literally, our job has stopped and our job might not.

[977] not come back until January.

[978] Yeah, that's right.

[979] Maybe.

[980] Who knows?

[981] Who knows?

[982] We don't know.

[983] I've got some gigs booked, and I don't know if I'm going to be able to do them.

[984] I got a gig booked in September.

[985] I got two in September.

[986] Yeah.

[987] A couple in October.

[988] I got octobers, but it's like, also, it's not like you should be, like, you can't really promote the show right now without seeming like a blazing dick.

[989] I don't want to encourage people to go out.

[990] And it's like, yeah, that's the problem, man. Is we, you know, we're, but here's the thing.

[991] this whatever the state is doing the state's going to do this is my favorite jesus saying offer unto caesar what is caesar's which is like you know there's a game going on here with power and if you think you're going to subvert that game maybe probably not best thing to do let the dragon do whatever the fuck the dragon's going to do but don't let them cause you to forget that you don't need the state to like go over to like leave a note on your neighbor's door asking if they're okay right you know what I mean you don't need we don't need the mechanisms of some bureaucracy to to do good like to pick up trash right you know like that was a thing that happened when the fucking national parks all got defunded because of this bullshit all of a sudden like there's people are taking pictures of garbage or in the national parks right and and the implication of that is like we can't clean this up ourselves we need a state official to come and pick the trash up and it's like it's nice that they do that and we pay taxes for that and they should do that but if they're not doing it and we're waiting for some hero from the state to come in and fix our fucking problems that's lazy that's bad thinking it's like i think as a people the idea is more to like uh transcend that addiction to being saved that addiction that for sure someone's coming sometimes they come right but sometimes they don't and And that's no reason to, like, put off just the basic shit, man. Like, you know, we put out sometimes in front of our house, we'll just put out shit to give to people.

[992] You know, we've got fruit trees.

[993] There's fruit, you know?

[994] There's, like, the gardens got, like, some shit growing in it.

[995] I'll put it out there, you know, and people take every bit of it.

[996] You come back at the end of the day.

[997] It's, you know, we've got flowers.

[998] So cut some flowers and just leave flowers out there in case someone wants to bring a flower to somebody.

[999] It's an active trust because you don't know what I might be covered.

[1000] covered in, like, COVID mucus doing, like, rose for my neighbors.

[1001] But that being said, I don't know, maybe they're desanitizing.

[1002] But my point is, like, cool shit happens.

[1003] Sometimes you go out of that box and, like, they've replaced something.

[1004] Like, we gave flowers the way we came out, and then someone had put different kinds of flowers in the box for those flowers.

[1005] You know what I mean?

[1006] Sounds like you got a stalker.

[1007] Yeah.

[1008] Actually, now that I think about it, the flowers.

[1009] You know, it did seem like that.

[1010] There was something, like, sticky and creamy on the flowers.

[1011] But, you know, I'm saying, like, again, this, this, this, not getting too much in the macro, because I'll go insane if I get in the macro, getting into the micro, which is your direct, literally your direct neighbors, and, like, making some connection with them.

[1012] You know, like, my, the guy who lives across the street, we talked for, like, two minutes, and it was wonderful.

[1013] And he's like, if you need tools, just let me know.

[1014] I got a ton of tools Just you can like you know Message me and I'll come and leave them here And you can come and get them Shit like that's nice It's cool and it's like it's just beautiful It's like that's what it's supposed to be like Yeah that's nice you got a good neighbor That's it yeah Every good neighbors is everything People that hate their neighbors like man You should just move save yourself some agony Yeah well you can't sometimes That's the problem But we all need we talked about this before We need to find a cul -de -sac I don't buy houses there you mean the cult yes I know you think a ranch would do the trick it's tough to get people to live on a ranch no I think you're talking about I know you're talking about yeah it's not that hard like you know I think the way you do it is in phases right so like the first thing would be just get the land right right and then hire an architect yeah hire an architect and then like you know bring in Alex Gray yeah I'm trying to that That thing that he did in upstate New York.

[1015] It's beautiful.

[1016] Have you been there personally?

[1017] I've been there in the, I haven't, unfortunately, I haven't been there since it's complete.

[1018] I don't know if it's completed, but I've been there in the early phases.

[1019] And yeah, that for sure is a temple.

[1020] Like, it's no joke.

[1021] It's not like they're just saying it's a temple.

[1022] That's a real.

[1023] And the way he printed those weird faces, those multi -feature faces and use them in the corners of the building.

[1024] What does he call it again?

[1025] I can't remember.

[1026] I'm sorry.

[1027] Cosm.

[1028] Oh, Cosm.

[1029] I thought you meant what he called those faces.

[1030] He has the name for the faces, too.

[1031] Is that the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors?

[1032] Is that what it sounds for?

[1033] But isn't that, Cosm used to be what he called the place in New York City, right?

[1034] He had the place of Manhattan.

[1035] Yeah, they had this, I think they still, well, they still do have a beautiful place in New York, actually, or like an artist loft there, I believe.

[1036] But, like, they ended up realizing it was time to, like, spread their wings.

[1037] Build a temple.

[1038] Yeah, and then really go somewhere in nature.

[1039] Yeah.

[1040] They're in, like, a small New York town, right?

[1041] Yeah, that's right.

[1042] New York State town.

[1043] Yeah.

[1044] It's a beautiful place.

[1045] And they're a legit religion, and Theon, that's right.

[1046] And they're an actual religion, which they are.

[1047] They are an actual religion.

[1048] Yeah, it is a religion.

[1049] And by the way, a religion doesn't want anything from you.

[1050] Like, they're not trying to get 10 % of your money.

[1051] No. They're not giving you a bunch of rules to follow.

[1052] Nope.

[1053] They want you to worship love and creativity.

[1054] It's a really interesting place.

[1055] Is that, oh, that's just an image of what it's going to.

[1056] look like and I don't think it's really quite there yet but holy shit yeah man imagine coming up to that like walking up to their front door and you're like oh my god what the hell am I looking at dude when I was on tour they let me park my tour bus there because we needed a place to sleep for the night so I had to sleep from front of that thing in my tour bus and I and it hadn't even got into that face but I had crazy dreams just sleeping there yeah it was wild man that's probably like one of those if you build it they will come things like do you imagine how hard you would trip inside that place do you know what i'm saying yeah now like i don't think it's i don't think it's a like you could do dmt in a shitty apartment and still have some crazy mind -blowing trip but you can't tell me that coming to this place and going through this entheon portal yeah that this isn't gonna have some fucking crazy effect on the way you trip yeah oh my god but that's But, you know, that was the idea of a temple.

[1057] I mean, the idea is, I'm not just saying to trip or whatever, but the concept is, like, you know, let's acknowledge the fact that maybe our ideas aren't necessarily coming from inside our brains.

[1058] Let's just as a fantasy imagine that there is a divine intelligence that, as one of the many beautiful things, it pushes into this particular realm as art. And that if we can figure out a way to purify the connection with that thing, then we become receivers for that.

[1059] And by doing that, we allow that thing to begin to exist in this world.

[1060] And a temple was a place that allowed that connection to be refined, purified, intentionalized.

[1061] And in that, there's a solidification called inspiration or art or whatever the name is you want to give it.

[1062] But it's really, it's like output from a place that maybe is, you know, a few floors up from the one we're at that's having a pretty wonderful party right now.

[1063] And like part of what we do is like allow it to drip into this realm, which is potentially a denser realm.

[1064] We're in the realm of matter.

[1065] It's dense, you know, and like ideas, if you look at your ideas, they're light.

[1066] They're like, they're, they don't have a, at least my ideas, like they're not like heavy.

[1067] They're, inspiration feels like barely anything.

[1068] In fact, it's so barely anything.

[1069] Think how easy it is to miss a good idea.

[1070] How easy it is to think something cool that maybe you want to write down for a joke.

[1071] and you're just I'll write that down later and then it's gone it's light it's light and so in part of what they're I think are all about or I mean I again that's me putting it on them they have a wonderful description on their website about what they're all about but to me part of me what creation is is taking those things allowing them to come through you and then allowing this realm to do what it does which is to crystallize them in a denser form that other people can enjoy and you know that that enjoyment is it is a you know that's enough doesn't have to be some lofty ass shit it's just like people get a little like this tiny little smell of heaven like a better place a lighter place a place that isn't encumbered by so much bullshit is this particular realm that can like completely take someone out of a depression man that can completely give somebody the you know juice they need to like get back out there and like open up themselves to the world and not be shut down just one little like tiny tiny minuscule reminder of like don't worry there's this isn't the only place there's simultaneously amazing things happen happening which you're part of you just don't realize it yet and don't worry and you know McKinney used to in one of his essays that's what we'd say on mushrooms is he would get this message don't worry we're coming don't worry we're coming and you know what I mean but I think that's what art does is it gives you this sense of like don't worry right now we're just building the runway don't worry it's coming i know this that this place seems fucked up it's a little dense right now we're going to lighten it up and then that how much of that is your own imagination though like how much of your own imagination stimulates your trips you know i mean we want to assume that we're really interacting with something right on the other side but why why do we assume that that's something obviously it's not static one of the things about triptamine experiences is that things twist and change and morph and shift and they never they never stay any one thing for any length of time they're always becoming other things and moving in and out of things like maybe that's just what happens over there maybe this things are constantly shifting and changing you know maybe what we're doing is we're trying to apply when we think of how we are here in this this life we're trying to apply those laws to whatever we experience when we do that but it seems so alien when you have those experiences it seems so alien you're not going to be able to bring any of that back you can give someone like little glimpses and what Alex has done the best is capture like oh I know what he's doing like those faces those like almost Egyptian looking golden faces are moving and apart from each other like you go oh yeah I've seen something yeah something sort of yeah there's a tryptamine part to that yeah but that whatever that would it be in that dimension it would change and become something else and then become something else and then and a lot of it has to do with how you're thinking which is weird it's like are is the way you're thinking actually affecting those things or is the way you're thinking and affecting your perception of whatever this energy is and how it manifests itself visually well I mean this is that right even in what you're saying there's this assumption that your thinking is separate from the thing.

[1072] Right, right, right.

[1073] And so we have a thought and we're thinking to ourselves, oh, I just got a good idea.

[1074] We don't know that if we had a different way of quantifying time and space, we might have just seen some ethereal mist drift through us that produced a thing we called a thought that we thought must be us.

[1075] So you look at a thing in that realm and it's shifting and converting, and you notice that that conversion seems to be happening in relation.

[1076] to like how you're feeling and you know now you're in a chicken or the egg conversation which is like who's you know who's reflecting who here like who which of us is like real and which of us isn't or we just kind of the I am I just seeing who I actually am but because I live in a world of individuality and I live in a world where there's a separate quality to things I have to see you as separate because if I don't I can't see you and all I I can do, you know, I'm seeing myself in you, which is, I think, what is happening in this realm anyway.

[1077] It's like, when anything you're looking at right now is some phenomena being painted instantaneously by your imagination with all, that's what the imagination is doing.

[1078] It's painting colors onto the universe of infinite phenomena that your brain is like doing out of habits.

[1079] So that's, that's that you know anything that anyone you're around you make an instantaneous assessment of that person or uh you you begin to like realize like wait i i got a bad vibe about that person i bet something's off of them and then you go into like you're a tv psychic bullshit like oh yeah really oh really is that your was that the instincts you learned where'd you learn that world warcraft yeah you know you don't but i've done that by the way i'm talking about myself where i'm like yeah i just can tell if a person is honest or it's like no i can't you can definitely tell if a person's really fucking weird though that's for sure you could tell if a person's off like they're not really connecting with you or they're pretending to connect with you and you're like well i got a weird vibe from this guy yeah that even if you looked at what he said on paper and what you said on paper would be totally normal that's true there's sometimes there's a certain things of a violation of space there's a weirdness to the way they look at you a cadence yeah they're like oh you're off hate that feeling man that's that's a deeper thing when the alarm bells go off like that your hair starts standing up you're like oh gotta go i fucking hate that that's scary but you know i'm just saying sometimes you're not right and this is like why you need empiricism and science because sometimes you're not right like just because you think that's how shit is from some instinct inside of you doesn't mean that's how things is you're biased and and so that that's the projection that's like the that's the part of you that you're like you're still dealing with some trauma when you're a kid, and you're seeing that trauma in all the things around you.

[1080] And so you're like in an argument with someone who hurt you 20 years ago when you're talking to somebody who vaguely reminds you of that person.

[1081] And if you're in the U .I .B, like, you're still having the argument.

[1082] And if you're not aware that you're still having that argument, then you can start saying shit like, why do always end up with the same person?

[1083] It's like, and I always draw this kind of person to me. And it's like, well, maybe.

[1084] you're drawing the exact same kind of person to you, or maybe you're running the same movie on a different screen and being like, I've seen this before.

[1085] I keep seeing this movie, you know?

[1086] It's like, that's the same movie.

[1087] It's like you're seeing the same thing you're projecting.

[1088] It's just it looks like now it's not Tom, it's Alex, or now it's not Lisa.

[1089] You're looking at Samantha, but you're still seeing this thing.

[1090] And that's the projection.

[1091] So anyway, that's the imagination.

[1092] And the question is how powerful is that projection?

[1093] Because sometimes you start projecting onto someone how you think they are.

[1094] And if that person's weak or insecure, they'll start acting the way you think they are.

[1095] Yes.

[1096] Now your projection has sprung to life in front of you because the person, you've essentially animated a person with your expectation of them.

[1097] And then because that person is acting the way you thought they would act because they don't know the fuck they are.

[1098] you're making monsters with your imagination.

[1099] Well, that's what cult leaders do, right?

[1100] That's how you start a sex cult?

[1101] How?

[1102] Same way.

[1103] You've got to take these people and put it in their head that this is what they do.

[1104] Oh, right.

[1105] You put it in their head.

[1106] Right.

[1107] Yeah, that's right.

[1108] You say you see it.

[1109] Yes.

[1110] I see it in you.

[1111] Well, in this book, I told you about this book, Chaos, Tom O 'Neill's book on Manson and the CIA.

[1112] Yeah.

[1113] I tell you about this?

[1114] No, I saw your tweet about it.

[1115] Oh, my God, dude.

[1116] What is?

[1117] Oh, my God.

[1118] Manson was tied up with the CIA?

[1119] Oh, my.

[1120] My God, almost definitely a part of these fucking psychedelics, LSD experiments that they were doing on hippies.

[1121] Almost definitely experimented on him, probably in prison, but almost definitely allowed him to get out of when he violated his parole, let him loose, let him free, supply him with acid, monitor him.

[1122] They were monitoring him every step of the way.

[1123] They, like, fed that monster.

[1124] They knew that this guy had been incarcerated half his life.

[1125] He was a con man, and they taught him out of be a cult.

[1126] leader.

[1127] They taught him how to be a cult leader.

[1128] And they probably talked him into or taught him how to talk people into killing people and to do so with acid.

[1129] And they would dose him up and he would make people do all kinds of shit.

[1130] Like it would take people like, okay, you're going to fuck her and he's going to fuck him.

[1131] And they would put, they would put together these orgies.

[1132] He would put together orgies.

[1133] I mean, he would sodomize kids in front of, in front of them, like horrific shit.

[1134] Fucked up.

[1135] Yeah.

[1136] Yeah.

[1137] He was a like some boy that was like 15 years old.

[1138] He did crazy crazy shit they were all on acid they all they committed murder he he directed them to commit murder but all of this very connected to the CIA's mk.

[1139] Ultra project all of it yeah man very connected to multiple different in multiple different ways connected to LSD and hippies LSD and mind control LXD trying to come up with a Manchurian candidate trying to get someone to commit murder and not even realize they did it also connected to Lee Harvey Oswald because Jack Ruby was all fucked up on that program when he killed Lee Harvey Oswald and afterwards went completely insane, was seen by the very same doctor that was running the clinic where Manson used to go.

[1140] This guy was a CIA doctor, was a psychologist or a psychiatrist dosing people up with LSD, running studies on prisoners, getting students to run studies, getting scientists to run studies, not even knowing they were doing it through the CIA.

[1141] Kaczynski, too.

[1142] Don't forget how about Operation Midnight Climax ran brothels in San Francisco in a couple other places where they dosed people up with acid and watched them fuck.

[1143] How dare they name it that?

[1144] I know, Midnight Climax.

[1145] That's so dumb.

[1146] It sounds like, you know, it sounds like, that sounds like the name of like porn in a hotel that you could watch.

[1147] Yes.

[1148] It's like a secret agent that sucks everyone's dick.

[1149] Midnight Climax.

[1150] Whoever named that, that really tells you a lot about the program.

[1151] But like, you know, man, the, here's a controversial fucking thing to say, which someone reminded me up a while ago, which really freaked me out, kind of, which is like back then when, like there was, like, right now we know a little bit more about some of the shit the CIA did.

[1152] A lot of it, because they put it on their website.

[1153] Yes.

[1154] Which is so crazy to me. They just put it up on their website, which is crazy.

[1155] And it, but back then...

[1156] What stuff they put up on their website?

[1157] Dude, are you fucking kidding?

[1158] Like, all the shit about the remote viewing experiments they did?

[1159] Like, it's, they just...

[1160] I interviewed that, main guy that they had for remote viewing.

[1161] Wasn't that fucking famous guy?

[1162] This is one famous guy that I interviewed.

[1163] He's, like, famous in the remote viewing world.

[1164] I know you're talking.

[1165] The guy who wrote the movie, or didn't write it, but the documentary Kill Shot, was he the guy talked about a kill shot, or that's the name for the thing that happens when the sun fucks up?

[1166] It didn't fuck up.

[1167] I mean, who might have said?

[1168] The sun fucked up.

[1169] But for us, it fucked up.

[1170] does like a not a supernova but just does a big ass flare that like kind of like melts whatever side of the earth happens to be facing it you know that's like the kill shot that a lot of these remote viewers were apparently saying that they were seeing because they were realizing that they could actually they weren't sort of bound by time and these visions and they all started sharing this vision of this thing it's really a creepy creepy documentary out there man but Well, that's 100 % on the table, like some giant solar flare, some solar incident.

[1171] That's 100 % on the table.

[1172] Have we, by the way, I'm sorry if we talked about this the last episode.

[1173] Have we talked about the CIA's website yet?

[1174] What about their website?

[1175] Have you ever gone to it?

[1176] No. Jamie, would you mind pulling that up?

[1177] I've applied for a job.

[1178] What do I have to do this?

[1179] You applied for a job with the CIA?

[1180] Well, I was stoned and it was late at night, and I'm like, wait, you can apply on line.

[1181] Check it out.

[1182] Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[1183] Ask Molly.

[1184] There's a cartoon.

[1185] Yeah.

[1186] Hold on.

[1187] Back up.

[1188] This is the CIA's website.

[1189] Ask Molly, your CIA source on the inside.

[1190] And it's hashtag, ask Molly Hale.

[1191] And Molly Hale is like a hot agent.

[1192] This week's Ask Molly Hale question comes from a writer who wants to know if there's a path forward for them at CIA since they have done illegal drugs in the past.

[1193] They took my question.

[1194] That's your question.

[1195] No, I'm just kidding.

[1196] It seems like it's your question, since they have done illegal drugs in the past.

[1197] Let's see what Molly's answer is.

[1198] Let's see Molly's answer.

[1199] So it says, find Molly's answer.

[1200] What does Molly say?

[1201] Dear, you could just serve.

[1202] Let me be clear on this from the get -co.

[1203] Having previously used illegal drugs does not immediately disqualify you from working at CIA.

[1204] If working for CIA is your life's goal, and we certainly hope it is, there could be a path for you here.

[1205] With that said, there are certain restrictions you should be aware of, especially if you've used illegal drugs within the past year.

[1206] Generally speaking, to be eligible for CIA employment, applicants must not have used illegal drugs within the past 12 months.

[1207] Ah, damn.

[1208] This is, as with most things, a general rule by which to gauge your hireability.

[1209] That's not a word, kids.

[1210] Is that a typo?

[1211] Only an applicant, not only an applicant, but as the potential holder of a security clearance.

[1212] It might seem a bit archaic, but consider the access to information we're giving at CIA employees.

[1213] Oh, and consequences of granting access to the wrong person.

[1214] How much access to information?

[1215] Just read that real quick.

[1216] It might seem a bit archaic, but consider the access to information we're giving CIA employees.

[1217] What access are you giving them?

[1218] You're in a simulator.

[1219] That's probably the first thing they say after you get hired.

[1220] They're like, it's a simulator.

[1221] We're just doing like what the programmer wants.

[1222] It's like, I know you're going to freak out for two months.

[1223] We're going to give you like a protocol of antidepressants because you can go nihistic or absurdus when you realize you're just a string of code that's running.

[1224] But you'll get over it.

[1225] And then there's an egg.

[1226] You can go, the thing reads your mind.

[1227] It's kind of cool.

[1228] We'll show you that later.

[1229] Officers regularly handle classified information, which, if leaked, could spell disaster for national security and endanger.

[1230] the life of CIA officers is my favorite word assets and their family assets is one of my favorite words they use we have an asset in jerusalem an asset you got an asset yeah is it a person you know a guy yeah he's an asset he's yeah he's an asset yeah he's a like a number like what's an asset an asset is like stocks yeah an asset you got a stock you got a stock in palestinians I got some Palestinians I've saved up I've got some assets Just some people you connected with I connect with them They're my assets Yeah You know you may be wondering That's all fine Molly But I live in a state where marijuana use Was legalized under state law So why would any of this really apply in my case The short answer is Or would any of this really apply in my case The short answer is Yes Marijuana remains Illegal under federal law in every state.

[1231] The CIA is bound by federal law, which prohibits CIA from granting security clearances to unlawful users of controlled substances, including marijuana.

[1232] State laws do not supersede those of the federal government.

[1233] The great lord who looks over the land with an iron fist.

[1234] For more information regarding the federal government security clearance guidelines, regarding drug use and other considerations, You can check out the...

[1235] What if the next line was like, hey, what's up, Joe?

[1236] That's cool.

[1237] You're showing this on your podcast.

[1238] No, no. It's a simulation.

[1239] But I do think, like, in there is they're also kind of saying, like, that being set, if you can set shit on fire with your mind or something when you're stoned, come talk to us.

[1240] It's like, you know what I mean?

[1241] There are saying, like, the other cool thing when you look at applying for a job is it says, after you apply don't tell anybody you apply for the job will like approach you regarding the job which is so fucking cool you can't talk about it when you apply and meanwhile they're absolutely checking your phone they're checking your i applied and like i just leaned into the fact that like fuck it they're going to look at everything i do and then also like imagining this some point some cia agent might come up to me like hey what's up man hey what's going on did you really want to be a bookkeeper at the pentagon no i want to to meet a CIA agent dude hello because I mean you know wouldn't you like to me I know one you know a CIA agent I've had him on the podcast multiple times Mike Baker he does a lot of consulting for TV shows and security stuff so you you you are and is he working for them now no well how would you know he yeah he's a former CIA operative what does that mean do you really think they ever stopped talking to each other no No. No. He does security clearance stuff and security stuff.

[1242] He's got a whole, has a security company.

[1243] Did he do?

[1244] So, so wait, so this guy, did you ask him about the Manson shit?

[1245] No, I just found out about this shit really recently.

[1246] Fitzsimmons told me about this guy.

[1247] Tom O 'Neill was his neighbor for like 20 years.

[1248] He was neighbors with Greg and Greg.

[1249] The whole time he was doing this book while Greg was friends of them.

[1250] It took him 20 years to write this book.

[1251] Started out as an article for Premier Magazine.

[1252] And then as you started unconsored.

[1253] covering all these inconsistencies with the trial, he realized that there was kind of a bullshit trial, and that the prosecuting attorney, like everybody had, there was deals that everybody had made to have a specific narrative go through, and Susan Atkins, one of the people from the Manson family was on trial.

[1254] Her, her fucking defense attorney was like a former prosecuting attorney that had worked with Vincent Bugliosi and all these other people before.

[1255] They were all buddies and they signed him to her to take over for her state appointed attorney this guy took over and like just they just they followed directions like everybody followed directions and as he was going deeper and deeper into this story he realized like there was a lot of crazy shit that was going on that first of all Manson for sure was let out of jail multiple times when he shouldn't have been when he was violating parole oh man he was let out of jail repeatedly for crazy shit like theft and you know and they they were monitoring these people they knew where they were staying they knew the ranch the spawn ranch where they were staying at they never did anything right they let them they let them go whenever they were in trouble uh and most likely got him the fucking lsd have you looked up the finders cult yet what was that one I don't even want I shouldn't even brought it out I'm not even doing a good job with this that last description because I didn't think I was going to talk about it but this thing blew my mind like you got to listen to this audio book, listen to the audio book or just even, maybe just listen to some of the podcasts and you'll get sucked in.

[1256] This guy was obsessed with this for 20 years.

[1257] It's all he thought of.

[1258] It's all he did.

[1259] It was his life's work.

[1260] Do you, do you, okay, you had the CIA agent you had on.

[1261] He's cool, right?

[1262] He seems like a good guy.

[1263] Is he your friend?

[1264] I like the guy.

[1265] So, and you know what's so bizarre and like, I don't even want to say it, but I think it's like, because you say it and then people see you say it and they're all in the CIA.

[1266] But something Rick, you know, I was bitching to Rick Doblin about, on a podcast and I was like doing this thing I used to do when I was younger, which is like trying to create a all evil, all good binary regarding people who work like in the CIA or people who work in the, even the DEA or whatever, that thing you do when you're like, when you're being lazy in your way of thinking, right?

[1267] Being binary.

[1268] And Doblin, one of the things he said to me that I've always kept with me is he's like, there's, there's.

[1269] there's people like us like all the way to the top you know there's people who like look at drug laws right now and to people from the CIA listen to this podcast right yeah I know I know of that right so it's like I mean yeah yeah that's what I'm saying man is like the thing that the thing that's somewhat annoying in the sense that it requires nuance rather than like a heavy handed they're all evil is some of the people in there are really like 100 % trying to keep at least people here from getting blown the fuck up.

[1270] And that that and like they're not like like oh god let's find another manse and now we got to you know exactly but it's it can all you know I went and got this tour of actually JPL the place Parsons was that man and like I think it was BP or Shell or some oil company that I had like just generally we all look at the oil companies and think they're they're all the worst while you know while you're driving in your car you'll be like these fucking oil companies but like the the um they were working on some kind of new solar panel technology it was like shell or I don't remember which fucking company it was I remember saying to the guy like this technology if it works doesn't this destroy the oil industry like don't they know they're working on a technology that's going to make the things that's going to make the thing they make money selling and buying irrelevant and he's like oh now these companies are so big that there's departments within departments within departments and that's where it gets fucking crazy about the CIA yeah which is like they the people in the CIA don't know obviously all the people in the CIA exactly that's your security clearance and the question is how deep does that basement go man under the CIA but here's also the question yeah how are you going to find out what happens when people take LSD without giving people LSD and studying them.

[1271] Ready, go.

[1272] You're not.

[1273] So if you're in 1953, okay, and you're finding out about LSD, and people are taking LSD at parties and people are taking LSD at concerts and you start realizing the ramifications of a society in 1964 that's all taking LSD, and you see this hippie movement, you're going to run some studies.

[1274] So then you're going to give people the ability to test people without their knowledge.

[1275] You don't know how crazy that guy is, what kind of a sociopath that guy is, and he's going to run tests on people without their knowledge and give him LSD.

[1276] And then there's going to be people that say, hey, you know, we want to infiltrate all these anti -war groups.

[1277] We want to infiltrate the Black Panthers.

[1278] We want to infiltrate these hippies.

[1279] Yeah.

[1280] How can we do that?

[1281] Well, here's how we do that.

[1282] We take this guy, we got him in prison for half of his fucking life in federal prison so far.

[1283] He's 32 years old.

[1284] Yeah.

[1285] Let's dose this motherfucker up with LSD.

[1286] Let's run some studies on.

[1287] him and let's tell him that he's a cult leader and get him to make some apocalyptic fucking death cult that wants to kill people and write pig on the wall in their blood and so they let Manson they knew where he was they knew he was getting acid they knew that he was probably having people kill people yeah well okay first of all to go back man if you really study the spread of LSD in a popular culture it wasn't that the CIA saw people taking LSD at parties it's that the CIA, as I understand the story, goes and buys from Sandoz Laboratories all of their LSD and then begins to do tests on college campuses, where people begin to take the LSD and then the party start.

[1288] So I think it's more like the CIA start at the party when it comes to LSD, or at least we're majorly involved in the initial experience people had with LSD, which was like that's when that's when you get tim leary yeah that's when you get richard alper you know romdas that's they were both like hanging out at harvard where the same psychology professor did this shit on kaczynski was and like lSD you know that's they were doing i don't know if they were doing the lsd test there but these tests were going on they were being exposed to lSD that theoretically i don't know if it came from the cia or not but i don't know like where the i think actually those tests were they were ordering it from Sandoz but for sure like who R. One flew over as the cuckoo's nest damn it I can't believe I can't remember that author's name Ken Keezy yeah Ken Keezy he did one of the CIA LSD he was in one of the CIA LSD experiments so like that makes sense and but and also man like back then I don't think because we didn't get the Manson the KZinsky or all the awful shrapnel weird shards of K .R. that exploded off of the crazy unethical shit they did.

[1289] I don't know if there was so much of an idea that they were evil.

[1290] I could be wrong about that.

[1291] But they weren't even called the CIA.

[1292] I think they were called the OSS.

[1293] In the beginning.

[1294] Yeah.

[1295] But by the time, the CIA was running a fucking clinic in Haydashbury that closed down after like 30 years of being open or 40 years of being open.

[1296] Closed down three months after this book came out.

[1297] I'm like, well, that's a wrap.

[1298] Yes.

[1299] Yeah, Jolly West, the same guy who visited.

[1300] He visited Jack Ruby in the hospital.

[1301] And after he left, Jack Ruby went insane.

[1302] He was crawling underneath the table and thought that Jewish children were getting lit on fire and cut apart in the streets and a new Holocaust was going on.

[1303] Immediately, immediately he has.

[1304] They have no record of him acting insane before this at all.

[1305] He didn't even understand why he shot Lee Harvey Oswald.

[1306] That's so fucked up.

[1307] Well, they think that the same thing happened with Sir Han, Sir Han, the guy who shot Robert Kennedy.

[1308] They think that he was under the influence as well.

[1309] Because you have the same reaction after he shot him like, why am I here?

[1310] What happened?

[1311] That they used LSD to somehow or another get these people to commit atrocities, to kill people, to murder people.

[1312] Yeah, I mean, yeah.

[1313] And you can what's probably, you can probably, I know you can.

[1314] If we go on the CIA, the crazy thing is you can go on their website, look at the Freedom of Information Act archives, and they have MK Ultra shit up there right now that you can look at.

[1315] that's where it gets really weird is it's like they're like yeah yeah but they never admit that they gave people that was the thing about Jolly West he never admitted that he gave people LSD and did studies on them never admitted it while he was alive at least I mean I don't know if they're admitting it now because of the freedom of everyone well they must because Operation Midnight Climax is that's an officially historical record yeah yeah so they must be now but when they were when you know they were operating this clinic Manson and the family were going into that clinic all the time there's a direct there's a 100 % direct connection between the CIA doctors who are providing LST to the hippies and Manson going to this clinic that is so fucked up man that does not sound like pandemic reading to me that's the best are you sure I don't know man like I'm already like weirded out by like just bad understanding of astronomy it's like you know what I mean like I don't know that I need to like get in that shit about the CIA, especially because it's like, you know, I don't know.

[1316] It's just too much, you know.

[1317] That being said, I'm going to definitely fucking read that book.

[1318] Well, just listen to the podcast.

[1319] That's the easiest.

[1320] You'll get your dick wet, listen to the podcast, and then you're going to want to listen to the audio book or read the book.

[1321] But he has 60 pages of citations and references at the end of the book to show each thing and how he can prove it.

[1322] Like, it's, these are not, this is not, he's got some speculation that he entertained at the very end of the book.

[1323] and we talked about it on the podcast, but the stuff that he knows for sure to be true is bonkers.

[1324] Can I ask you a question that will probably get made into like a YouTube clip accusing you of being an asset of the CIA?

[1325] Sure.

[1326] So, okay, let's imagine this.

[1327] One day you get contacted by somebody who's in the CIA, and they show you convincing data regarding something, you know, whatever it may be, meteor impact, some other impending danger that is like you look at it and it's like whatever it is they give you you believe it and they're like listen i joe we know you're like you're like a wild animal and we know that like you're you don't want to be dishonest and we understand that but we got to figure out a way to get this kind of information out to the world because if we don't like it's going to be really bad and we're just going to to people like you and just trying to get whatever the thing is they want you to say a little thing, an idea of how they want you to be.

[1328] And the fuck, they're not offering you money.

[1329] They're not offering you money.

[1330] And they're also like saying like, don't worry.

[1331] If you say no. Duncan, did you get that job at the CIA?

[1332] What?

[1333] Excuse me?

[1334] Did I get the job?

[1335] Did you get that job that you applied for?

[1336] No!

[1337] It seems like you're priming me. What?

[1338] For, you're, you're going to give me a suggestion later.

[1339] Listen.

[1340] I know what you're doing, man. Joe.

[1341] Have you ever thought of a blue butterfly, Joe?

[1342] Yeah, but seriously, what would your response be if someone's like, look, we just need your help?

[1343] Listen, I think Central Intelligence Agency, I think FBI, I think the DEA, I think they're all necessary.

[1344] I don't think they're unnecessary.

[1345] I think that most of what they're doing is trying to protect us.

[1346] Let's do the Illuminati logo for the YouTube.

[1347] I do think also that some of those guys turn to fucking cowboys and try to fly Coke back from Mexico and crap.

[1348] CIA jets.

[1349] That's true too.

[1350] All that shit that happened in Meena, Arkansas, you know, all that shit that happened when Clinton was governor with Barry Seals, when they were running Coke back and forth and dropping off in Mina, Arkansas.

[1351] That guy was a CIA contractor.

[1352] There's a lot of those guys that were CIA.

[1353] Look, they got compromised.

[1354] I think, but that doesn't mean the whole CIA's bad.

[1355] It doesn't mean we don't need a CIA.

[1356] Man, if you talk to people, if they're honest, I don't know if they're, let's just assume they're honest.

[1357] If you talk.

[1358] to people that deal with trying to infiltrate terrorist groups and deal with tracking terrorists and deal with trying to figure out if someone's trying to make a dirty bomb, trying to figure out if someone's ready to blow up a mall, and they're in there, they're doing this actively every day, all day, that's essential.

[1359] Right.

[1360] That's essential.

[1361] So the CIA, oh, fucking MK Ultra, they dose people at whorehouses.

[1362] There's not the same people, okay?

[1363] This is a giant organization that's been around for a long fucking time.

[1364] What you're hearing about from Jolly West and the MK Ultra, those people are dead.

[1365] Those are not alive today.

[1366] But you know who is alive today?

[1367] Isis.

[1368] You know who is alive today?

[1369] A lot of threats all around the world.

[1370] You know who is alive today?

[1371] Kim Jong -un, the leader of China, all these fucking dictators that are heavily armed all over the world.

[1372] There's a lot of them.

[1373] You've got to keep an eye on those motherfuckers.

[1374] If you don't think you have to keep an eye on them, you're crazy.

[1375] Right.

[1376] Well, the CIA is evil.

[1377] No, no, no, no. Humans are evil.

[1378] And sometimes you need someone who's paying attention to the evil people.

[1379] Right.

[1380] Yeah, that's what you need.

[1381] Now, does that mean that they're not going to stray across the lines of what is correct and good and fair and start spying on regular people, too?

[1382] No, it doesn't mean that.

[1383] Right.

[1384] It means that shit needs to be curbed.

[1385] That shit's un -American, right?

[1386] But if you think someone might be a terrorist, like you should be able to.

[1387] find out before they blow up a fucking school.

[1388] Totally.

[1389] Right?

[1390] 100%.

[1391] So the question is how good are these people at walking that line turns out pretty fucking good.

[1392] Turns out pretty fucking good.

[1393] There's a bunch of shit that's happened over time.

[1394] But also, they've gotten intel on all these different terrorists and all these different fucking terrible situations all over the world and probably saved a lot of people.

[1395] Right.

[1396] It's not perfect, but nothing's perfect.

[1397] It's not fucking thing that's perfect whether it's the fucking post office or police officers or fire department or doctors no one's perfect including the CIA including the FBI including the Army the Navy there's going to be problems right but overall they're trying to protect I would imagine if I had to ask like what are you guys here for to make sure the shit doesn't hit the fan pay attention to the shit pay attention do do some of them branch out into Coke business yes I'm sure some of them sell coke.

[1398] I'm sure there's someone for the federal government that's selling guns to a bad guy right now.

[1399] I'm sure.

[1400] I'm sure.

[1401] People are people.

[1402] If you've got a million people, you're going to get 30 bad ones or whatever the fuck the number is.

[1403] It's just part of life.

[1404] Yeah.

[1405] Look, I mean, all at...

[1406] You're a CIA apologist.

[1407] I set you up.

[1408] I don't believe a word or what I just said.

[1409] Come on, man. What about my bonus?

[1410] You took that job.

[1411] Come on, man. You know I get a big bonus.

[1412] You took the job.

[1413] Like, you know, I don't...

[1414] You're wearing a wire, bro.

[1415] You don't have to wear a wire anymore.

[1416] Just carry your phone.

[1417] I'm wearing a wire on a podcast.

[1418] I'm monitoring you, Joe.

[1419] Imagine if you got, like, too close to the mic.

[1420] Jamie's like, hmm.

[1421] Dude.

[1422] Interference.

[1423] When I was a kid growing up, that was always one of, like, when I was at the beach, that was always, like, something I'd fantasize about is like, fuck, I hope one of those drug bags washes up, man. You know, do you ever want to, like, how many of those wash up that people don't report?

[1424] You know, whenever I hear about someone who's like, oh my God, I found a briefcase full of cocaine, like, why are you?

[1425] That's, God, that's grace.

[1426] Like, something is, like, delivered under you, this bizarre thing.

[1427] At the very least, like, you know, I'm not a fan of Coke myself.

[1428] It, like, makes me, I hate it, in fact.

[1429] Yeah, but if you got some of that Ozzy Osbourne from the 70s Coke, do you know how good that shit would be?

[1430] CIA cocaine.

[1431] Yes.

[1432] Remember when we talked about government weed?

[1433] Government weed was good.

[1434] Oh, yeah.

[1435] Unlike the cheese.

[1436] Oh, yeah.

[1437] Government cheese is terrible, but government weed.

[1438] Dude, he's got that government weed.

[1439] Whoa.

[1440] Do you remember that?

[1441] Yeah, I do, man. I completely forgot about that.

[1442] That was the thing.

[1443] Back when weed was illegal, you wanted to shit the government was growing.

[1444] Whoa.

[1445] Yeah, that's right.

[1446] Yeah.

[1447] Well, because for sure, by the way, you know, there's a, there's like, I guess at the CIA, there's a layer of all the sober people who, like, haven't gotten high for a year.

[1448] Which whoever's writing that fucking thing is definitely, like, laughing is they're writing it?

[1449] You know, they're like just laughing because they're so fucking high.

[1450] And they're like, all right.

[1451] No, they test, Matt.

[1452] Well, there's a level they test.

[1453] But you know there's a level where you get past that level.

[1454] I'm like, listen, the no drug stuff, please.

[1455] We want you to have a good time.

[1456] This is a fun job.

[1457] Like, we know that you can handle your shit.

[1458] We just have to do that level below you because otherwise the last thing you need is another fucking manson.

[1459] You know what I always think about when I think of someone infiltrating a terrorist group?

[1460] What?

[1461] That scene in Team America, World Police, where the actor has the fucking terrible outfit on.

[1462] We need actors to save the world.

[1463] Did you remember?

[1464] Yeah, dude.

[1465] I always think of that.

[1466] If I think about anybody infiltrating a terrorist group, I think of that guy.

[1467] Yeah, well, you know what?

[1468] Again, we don't have to worry about that.

[1469] That, to me, is a fucking great thing.

[1470] I don't have to worry about that.

[1471] I don't have to worry about infiltrating a terrorist group.

[1472] Can you imagine if it was...

[1473] That guy's...

[1474] you remember he was so good at acting they just let me he looks so bad and they just they just believe him and he walks right through oh my god this movie's amazing yeah this movie's amazing folks if you've never seen Team America World Police I probably laugh harder in this movie than any movie I've ever seen in my life it is so so good team what a great name world police And then also, after you see the movie, go online and find the sex scenes that they had to delete.

[1475] So, first of all, these guys are geniuses.

[1476] And what they figured out is that if you just add way more than you really want, they let you have what you want.

[1477] You got to add stuff like they, I think she's shit on his chest.

[1478] They pissed all over each other.

[1479] They fuck like crazy.

[1480] So it's a plastic doll sex scene that's so.

[1481] so crazy and graphic and then when you watch it in the movie it's like a fraction of this because they just they just went so far to 69 in each other that is ridiculous yeah and she sucked his like violently sucking him off and they just keep so they did this so that they could have some of it in there I mean it's so long and so crazy and then Once you think it's over, then they start pissing and shit and all over each other, too.

[1482] Oh, wow.

[1483] Doesn't it keep going?

[1484] Yeah, this is a clip from the actual movie.

[1485] Oh, that's from the actual movie.

[1486] Oh, what?

[1487] That's how much they left in.

[1488] That's how much they left in because they cut out, they got so savage with the sex scene that they let them keep the most preposterous amount in there because it was so far past that.

[1489] They just tricked them.

[1490] They used like sleight of hand.

[1491] Dude, that must have been so funny filming that.

[1492] Like that.

[1493] I think it took a long time.

[1494] I'm sure it did.

[1495] Like Trey Parker was saying in some interview that he would never do that again.

[1496] Like that's too bad.

[1497] Stop motion?

[1498] Yeah.

[1499] Because, dude, Team America World Police is one of the funniest movies of all time.

[1500] For sure.

[1501] And you could, there's so much in that movie, like what they do with South Park that you could never do with a human, but you can do it with either a doll or a cartoon easily, and it's amazing.

[1502] Like death, death scenes.

[1503] Like, you killed Kenny.

[1504] You couldn't have a guy just die every week on a sitcom.

[1505] People were like, this is freaking me the fuck out.

[1506] Yeah.

[1507] But he doesn't even look remotely real.

[1508] So he could cut his head off.

[1509] He can light on fire.

[1510] He can blow up an explosion.

[1511] Yeah.

[1512] You can definitely get away with a lot more in that regard, for sure.

[1513] Get away with everything.

[1514] Yeah.

[1515] It's a genius way to do comedy.

[1516] I don't know.

[1517] I mean, like, South Park is, like, it's eerie to me and their ability to quickly animate shit that maintains its relevance like it's it's insane that they're able to do that like they've got it down to that level of like oh shit something happened in the world and we're going to respond to it almost instantly not only that they do it mockingly but accurately like they figure out how to ride that line and have what you laughing at just all seen I've never seen before from it I'm looking for the way to see it I thought I thought it was fan made but it's not like a this is Meryl Street and this is Ben Affleck.

[1518] Oh, the Ben Affleck, he's just a hand.

[1519] They made Matt Damon and Ben Affleck really fucking dumb in that movie, right?

[1520] Oh, yeah, I'm Matt Damon.

[1521] Yeah.

[1522] Oh, rude.

[1523] Matt Damon's actually very smart.

[1524] Yeah.

[1525] So rude.

[1526] But it doesn't matter.

[1527] They could just do that.

[1528] Yeah.

[1529] They could do anything.

[1530] Yeah.

[1531] When you have, like, cartoons and puppets, you can fucking do anything.

[1532] Dude, I mean, that's the...

[1533] But except anything you want to do takes forever.

[1534] I mean, that is the problem is like, yeah, you could do anything, but that anything is like, you know, months of anythingness.

[1535] So it's like clearly easier to film shit or just to say it.

[1536] I mean, the fact that they used hands, God only knows how much money that saved them.

[1537] Like that decision to just do that, how much time that probably saved them.

[1538] Who knows?

[1539] Like those kinds of decisions and shows like that are like really smart and full.

[1540] Yeah, but yeah, animation is like, I mean, it is spellbinding.

[1541] It is.

[1542] He's eating her ass.

[1543] Slightly longer.

[1544] This is longer.

[1545] It's not much different, to be honest with you, though.

[1546] No, but there's the shit in the piss scene.

[1547] I thought so, but it's not coming up on here.

[1548] What?

[1549] Oh, there it is.

[1550] Wait, go back.

[1551] There it is.

[1552] She drops a log in his face.

[1553] There it is.

[1554] And then I think she pisses on him too, right?

[1555] Yeah, it's actually right before that.

[1556] Oh, he pisses on her.

[1557] And then she shits in his face.

[1558] How many people you think do that?

[1559] If you look at the whole population, like the entire population, like a little light went off every time someone was shitting on someone's head.

[1560] How many times that happened at day?

[1561] I bet you could fucking light up a small town.

[1562] It's mostly the girl's shitting on the guy's head, right?

[1563] Would you imagine most of it is like a girl, a guy wanting a girl to shit on his head?

[1564] Mostly.

[1565] 100%.

[1566] I mean, look up.

[1567] If you look, here's it, have you look, not shit.

[1568] Is this interesting, though?

[1569] What I was going to say is it doesn't, I don't feel bad at all about that.

[1570] Like, I don't feel like he's getting shit on.

[1571] I feel like he wanted to get shit on and he got shit on.

[1572] So I'm not mad at her at all.

[1573] But if a guy was just, my thing is like shit on women's heads.

[1574] I'm like, that guy's a piece of garbage.

[1575] What the fuck, man?

[1576] Are you doing that?

[1577] And the girls did just, look, they want a thousand bucks.

[1578] He wants a shit on their head.

[1579] They make a deal.

[1580] And he just shits on people's head.

[1581] I would feel like that guy's disgusting, but the girl who shit on the guy's head, obviously the guy wanted it.

[1582] It's easier to think a guy wants to get his head shit on than a girl.

[1583] It's not, like a guy, like if you told me, hey, you know that guy that used to be on that sitcom, he likes, he pays girls to shit on his head.

[1584] I'd be like, okay.

[1585] That makes sense.

[1586] Dude, I know how much it costs.

[1587] I'm just kidding.

[1588] There is.

[1589] It's probably a market for it, right?

[1590] Depends on how good you want her English to be.

[1591] Yeah.

[1592] Just a giant German lady who comes over and just dumps on your head.

[1593] There's probably a negotiation.

[1594] Like, there's probably a dude who's actually had the conversation.

[1595] He's like, really?

[1596] Like, $2 ,000?

[1597] Like, are you kidding?

[1598] Like, I never pay more than $1 ,200 for someone to shit on my head.

[1599] Maybe they'll give a little extra if they let the, they're allowed to pick your diet.

[1600] I want you to only eat Indian food.

[1601] Oh, God.

[1602] Just curry.

[1603] Yeah.

[1604] I want to smell the curry when you shit in my face.

[1605] Have you seen those, have you seen those videos?

[1606] The fetish videos of people who like to look at videos of people getting stuck in mud Do you know about that fetish?

[1607] No. Have you heard about that?

[1608] Oh, dude, it's like, I don't know, can we show it?

[1609] Look up YouTube stuck in people stuck in mud.

[1610] People are into people that get stuck in the mud?

[1611] Yeah, it's like a fetish.

[1612] It's like, and there's all these videos of people like, if you found, I mean like...

[1613] So the humans are stuck in mud like walking and then someone comes along and fucks their mouth or something?

[1614] Well, no. It's just someone stuck in mud Like at first you look at it And it looks like, why did that dude Just throw himself in that swampy mud And then he gets out of the mud Or they'll start just like Wiggling around in the mud and like Yeah, it's crazy Well, okay You're I found something but it's not It could be an evolution of Car Stuck Girls But maybe not Car Stuck Girls?

[1615] Like girls that are stuck with their car Like they need help And then Oh like a porn Someone needs help and they're in a helpless position I don't know.

[1616] That's always in a movie, right?

[1617] The guy's waiting in the bushes with a gun and the girl standing there with her hood up and the guy runs out, hey, give me a keys.

[1618] Yeah.

[1619] It's on YouTube.

[1620] Oh, sorry, man. I thought you were looking in, like, porn.

[1621] I don't even know if it's on porn.

[1622] I typed in stuck in mud fetish videos and then there's a lot of, like, car forums.

[1623] Like, what's up with all these girls getting stuck in the mud?

[1624] Like, what the fuck's happening?

[1625] Now, are they getting stuck in the mud with their legs?

[1626] No. No, it's like the automobile.

[1627] Yeah, like a BMW game.

[1628] The one I've seen is mostly primarily dudes.

[1629] Like, it's like.

[1630] Oh, guys get stuck in the mud and then other guys come out and help them?

[1631] No, there's no other guy.

[1632] It's just like a guy like, you know the Librea Tarpitz?

[1633] Yes.

[1634] It's just that, but with a guy with abs.

[1635] Oh, my God.

[1636] He's like, oh, he's not yelling.

[1637] They're just like, you know, like, they're just stuck in mud.

[1638] How weird.

[1639] Yeah, yeah.

[1640] People are so strange.

[1641] It's a, it's a, that fetish is a really interesting one.

[1642] But I think any, you know, you're kind of lucky if that's your fetish.

[1643] Yeah.

[1644] There's a lot of mud out there, man. It's like that's a good fetish.

[1645] It doesn't seem like you hurt in anybody.

[1646] Yeah.

[1647] No, unless you pay someone to go get stuck in mud and like they like sink down into quicksand or something.

[1648] Well, do you think that the people that, are they fantasizing about themselves being stuck in mud?

[1649] Don't know.

[1650] I don't know.

[1651] Right.

[1652] It's open interpretation.

[1653] It could be they're just really into watching hot guys that get stuck.

[1654] Someone's filming it.

[1655] And they jerk off while they're fucking loon.

[1656] Can't get out of that mud, you fucking loser.

[1657] Look at that beautiful mud.

[1658] Beautiful.

[1659] There you go.

[1660] I don't know if this is one.

[1661] This has 130 ,000 views and it says what you said.

[1662] Blonde girl gets stuck in very sticky mud.

[1663] Yeah, but you notice, like it's not like they're trying to get out.

[1664] That's at first you're honest.

[1665] She looks like the kind of girl that would just give up.

[1666] Like, I don't think she's that stuck.

[1667] Like, come on, you're not that stuck.

[1668] I'm fucking stuck.

[1669] I can't.

[1670] See?

[1671] Just done.

[1672] Yeah.

[1673] Just done.

[1674] Yeah.

[1675] How much did they pay her to do this?

[1676] 50 bucks?

[1677] I don't know.

[1678] How much do they have to pay you?

[1679] How much do they pay me for my mud videos?

[1680] No, no, no, no. If you wanted to do a mud video, they wanted you to do a mud video like that.

[1681] Free?

[1682] Just give me a good patch of mud.

[1683] I'll go in it.

[1684] Why not?

[1685] Oh, this is a cute Asian girl.

[1686] Chinese girl gets stuck in mud with cute sneakers.

[1687] Oh, no, she's got cute sneakers.

[1688] She's going to walk right in the mud with those cute sneakers.

[1689] Honey, those are valuable.

[1690] yeah what are you doing these are great Jamie I haven't seen any of these like I'm an expert these are new they're so weird yeah it's a weird it's a very strange fetish I don't know if it's like maybe it's like an ASMR thing or something maybe it's not even like sexual it's just something in it it's like relaxing dude she took her shoes off it's sexual yeah that's true she's got her feet she's moving around getting all squirt you're a dirty girl with your dirty feet dirty feet in the mud Look at her.

[1691] She's getting down, that dirt.

[1692] She's lost a sock.

[1693] Yeah, this is weird.

[1694] Weird, man. Imagine this is your whole life.

[1695] And you go on the forums and you're talking about, you guys, got new squishy feet in the mud videos?

[1696] Yeah, that'd be really weird, Joe.

[1697] So, Jamie, let's pull up something about the news.

[1698] I mean, again, why, here's a real question.

[1699] Here's a weird question.

[1700] Why is that so strange?

[1701] But, like, someone who collects stamps, that's normal.

[1702] Right.

[1703] Some guy who loves...

[1704] There's your answer.

[1705] He's dressed up like a Nazi.

[1706] He's got all the way down.

[1707] And he goes all the way to his fucking head.

[1708] Still smoking, too.

[1709] He's like...

[1710] In quicksand.

[1711] Is he in quicksand?

[1712] Yeah, this is a whole playlist of mess, mud, and quicksand.

[1713] You remember when people were terrified of quicksand?

[1714] And then it stopped being a thing?

[1715] Navis.

[1716] There's a whole radio lab podcast about that.

[1717] It's really interesting.

[1718] Because you hear the podcast, you go, oh, yeah, I remember.

[1719] Like, people were scared of quicksand.

[1720] And then all of a sudden it went away.

[1721] I forget when they were.

[1722] reasoning is.

[1723] Well, when we were kids, that was, like, one of the ways you could die.

[1724] Yeah, it's quicksand.

[1725] And sometimes you would, like, if you're out in the woods and there was a suspicious patch, you might even poke it with a stick because it's like, fuck, that's, that was a whole trope in, like, old movies, you know, like Tarzan stuck in the quicksand or you're in the quicksand, then someone throws a vine that you pull yourself out.

[1726] Exactly.

[1727] That's in, like, 80 different movies.

[1728] Yeah.

[1729] What are you supposed to do if you were really in quicksand?

[1730] You're supposed to treat it like it's water and swim, right?

[1731] There's videos on it.

[1732] No. Jamie says no. Jamie, are you a quicksand?

[1733] No, there's videos on it.

[1734] I was going to say I've seen one recently.

[1735] So if you end up stuck in quicksand, the best thing to do is if your phone isn't fucked up, set it up to take a video and then send that video to I love mudboys at gmail .com.

[1736] It's my private email.

[1737] I will come to you.

[1738] Trust me, it seems like I won't get to you, but I will come to you.

[1739] Come on you.

[1740] I'll pull you out.

[1741] Imagine that usually the thing.

[1742] I think you fall back.

[1743] You have a service and your services.

[1744] You get people out of the mud and you give them $1 ,200, but you got to jerk off on their face while they're trying to get out of the mud.

[1745] You go out there with like big mud shoes, like snowshoes, but only for mud.

[1746] And you come out there and fucking whack one off in their head.

[1747] Okay.

[1748] All right, we're good.

[1749] Deals a deal.

[1750] And then you harness them up to a rope and hit you hitch it to your winch and drag them out of the swamp.

[1751] Think of the bad luck.

[1752] And you give them money, though.

[1753] Give them $1 ,200.

[1754] Here's $1 ,200, thank you.

[1755] But to me, that's like, that would be a great scene is like somebody does get stuck in quicksand and someone like, they see boots and they're like, thank God, thank God.

[1756] And it is like a mud fetishist who's like, you know, like, no, I'll get to you.

[1757] Don't worry, I'm going to save you, but just, you know, enjoy it for a second.

[1758] What about this?

[1759] What if the fucking, the real mud fetishist, they set up traps, so they made their own mud holes, they dug them real deep and use some real silty very fine sort of sand so if you get in there you slide right in like it's quick sand they have traps they have traps and they got like a little camera trap sends a text to their phone says oh we got one and then they start chewing on Viagra and start getting their dick hard and then they run out like a spider catches something in its nest but you kind of fall in love with them you know and then you start dating them and then like But then, you know, like, all of a sudden you realize, like, everyone they've dated, they've saved from quicksand, and you begin to realize, like, oh, shit, they're doing it on purpose.

[1760] You go into, you're looking for something like, does he have a flashlight?

[1761] Let's see, find some, go through his stuff here, look for a flashlight, and you find schematics for how to build the perfect sand pit.

[1762] Oh, you motherfucker, you trick me. It shows the water where the water's coming in to make the quicksand, you know, like, need this amount of water to capture 200 pounds.

[1763] man. Like, there's metrics based on weight.

[1764] That's what he likes.

[1765] He wants to get, like, big, burly, like, fireman -type dudes to jerk off on their hair.

[1766] That's the thrill.

[1767] They're trapped.

[1768] He knows, maybe, like, he knows calls for specific types of people.

[1769] Like, he knows what he'll draw men.

[1770] Like a turkey call.

[1771] Yeah.

[1772] Yeah.

[1773] That's, dude, have you ever done one of those, like, you've ever gone to spa and in there, like, And they're like, I don't, fuck it.

[1774] I'm going to do, like, I'm going to get a massage.

[1775] But then you see in their catalog, they've got a mud dip that you can go into that's somehow healthy for you.

[1776] Like, you know what I mean?

[1777] Like, it's a, considered like a healthy thing.

[1778] You laying it up to your head.

[1779] It's like, you know what I'm talking about, man?

[1780] Like, it's like mud spots.

[1781] Have you ever done one of those?

[1782] No, I have not.

[1783] They're fucking awful.

[1784] Awful.

[1785] Dude, I went in there because, like, we, you know, I was with a, I brought a girl.

[1786] my girlfriend at the spa and they made it look all romantic and shit it's like a couple's mud dip and like you know there's like flowers in between them and stuff and you see it in the picture and it looks somehow relaxing your brain party is like how could that how's that can feel good like it's like just sitting in mud but it looks kind of cool and you know you're I love getting stone and getting massages like it might be fun when you're high just be in mud we got in these fucking things they're like next to each other and like Like, dude, like, yeah, they don't, number one, they don't report.

[1787] That's so stupid.

[1788] Ah, that was like it.

[1789] They, somehow they make it.

[1790] Whoever's doing this shake has made, try, like, see if you can make a fake you.

[1791] This is a kind of normal thing for a couple to do.

[1792] And then also, you realize they don't change the mud.

[1793] Oh.

[1794] I'm pretty sure they don't refill the mud.

[1795] Why would they?

[1796] It's dirty.

[1797] Yeah, yeah.

[1798] It's dirty.

[1799] Oh, my God.

[1800] Yeah, yeah.

[1801] So the culture.

[1802] that came out of some dude's balls is all like mingling with your cultures and all that's like breeding in the mud yeah exactly dude and not only that but like the ones that we were in I don't know if they had heated it wrong or whatever but anytime my ass touched like close to the bottom it was burning my ass so it was like the heater in the bottom was like burning my ass so I was having to do like this I don't know what you call like arch my back in the mud yeah I was like doing dips in the mud And then it's fucking hot as fuck.

[1803] So, like, my heart, like, starts racing.

[1804] Also, I'm like, I was pretty high.

[1805] But my heart's, like, fucking do, do, do, do, do, do, do.

[1806] My ass is, like, getting incinerated by this thing.

[1807] Oh, my God.

[1808] You went to a janky place.

[1809] Janky mudbath place.

[1810] I'm not going to argue.

[1811] That's actually the name of the place.

[1812] Janky's mudbath place.

[1813] Where does the expression janky come from?

[1814] Like, a jenky, like a shitty version.

[1815] That one might be racist.

[1816] Gotta be careful.

[1817] That one might be one of them secret racist words.

[1818] You didn't know it was racist.

[1819] You've been saying Janky and they're like, well, let me bring you back to the genocide of the Iguam people.

[1820] Jesus.

[1821] I wouldn't be surprised.

[1822] What is the etymology of Janky?

[1823] No idea.

[1824] That's why I asked.

[1825] Are you sure you don't know, Joe?

[1826] I definitely don't know.

[1827] I'm 100 % innocent.

[1828] What do we got?

[1829] He just dies?

[1830] I just want to make sure that I'm not stepping over.

[1831] any boundaries by using janky because i want to be good ally there's probably it's probably not connected anything just sounds like a word it sounds like a bad word it's i think it was close to junkie oh there you go switched to janky i'm trying to get through this quick that makes sense that does offend me i don't like the term junkie's good jenky's like like you've got a car with a fucked up break you know that's this fucking janky break job i got that old though only the 90s is like I might have invented it.

[1832] Maybe if I did.

[1833] Janky.

[1834] It's African -American slang from the 90s.

[1835] Yeah, that makes sense.

[1836] That makes sense.

[1837] Earlier citations in 90s, yeah.

[1838] Yeah, so.

[1839] Who wrote that?

[1840] Who wrote that?

[1841] The article I'm looking at is like...

[1842] I mean, not that I know them, it's just weird.

[1843] Someone, like, we hear a thing like that and we're like, all right, that must be true.

[1844] The first book they found it in, first, that this person wrote the article, said, Russ, the longest war, written by Jonathan Waldman.

[1845] Huh.

[1846] By the way, I'm very much.

[1847] kidding if you if it wasn't clear i don't really think i made that word up i was joking i can't find another one it's amazing how attuned you get to like comments that you and like your brain is like you're in making i just don't want anybody to really i was thinking that like that could be misinterpreted that's my word i created it what's another great word that they don't use anymore that i started using recently oh fresh i started using fresh lately like that looks fresh i don't And I say it like that.

[1848] I don't say it with a normal voice.

[1849] Fresh.

[1850] So it's like, that looks fresh.

[1851] No, you don't.

[1852] Yes, I do.

[1853] When things look good.

[1854] Fresh.

[1855] Things are looking fresh.

[1856] Oh, you get like a, yeah, I hear it in the back.

[1857] It gets like a little vibrato there.

[1858] Fresh.

[1859] It's a good word.

[1860] It's a good word.

[1861] We need more beautiful adjectives for cool shit.

[1862] So I started bringing back fresh.

[1863] Hey, what's your, like, what's your, like, what's your, like, about cursing around your kids?

[1864] I gave up I gave up You did Yeah I told them just don't swear Don't swear around other people There was too many times They caught me on the phone Right My nine -year -old especially She's the one who's always correcting me Hey With your potty language She says that Yeah she's hilarious She likes to correct me I try not to say it As much as I would say with you But every now and then I'll let a fuck word fly Or a shit word fly but it has to make sense dude the funniest story I realize I say it too much was when my daughter was three we were uh we had gone skiing together and we were all packing up our stuff and her helmet did not go in her bag it wasn't in her bag and I'm like all right everybody packed up and I'm like hey your helmet and your bag and she looks at the helmet looks at the bag and she just goes shit she was three see a little me and my wife were just like oh no it did it three but that's the right word to use shit what are we doing like we we aren't even in that world you and I are not even in that world like the world of you can't say words you can't say that word at work we don't even live in that world and yet we're raising our kids for that world that seems to be to be a little crazy.

[1865] And I understand, like, look, if I worked in an office somewhere or if I had to deal with people professionally, I wouldn't be dropping F bombs all day.

[1866] You can't.

[1867] People get upset.

[1868] They don't like it.

[1869] They want you to behave like a business person.

[1870] They'll turn you into human resources if you have a funny joke about Puerto Ricans.

[1871] You can't.

[1872] You can't.

[1873] There's no jokes.

[1874] There's no laughter.

[1875] You can't.

[1876] So when you're telling your kids not to say certain words about other people, you're telling them that because you want.

[1877] them to be polite.

[1878] You don't want people to feel uncomfortable.

[1879] But you should never have them think that there's something wrong with those fucking words.

[1880] Those words are important.

[1881] I can't really explain it to them because I can't really say it the way I want to say it.

[1882] It would just be too sensitive.

[1883] I can't say sometimes when someone's telling you something that you know isn't true and they're telling you you want to be able to look it in the eye and go, hey, that guy's a fucking idiot.

[1884] But I can't say that to a nine -year -old.

[1885] right it's just too intense right it's too intense right like if you say this person's an idiot that's one thing but if you say this person's a fucking idiot yeah that's a different thing it's another level of thing and you need to know what's what especially when the shit goes down you need to know who's just a dummy and who's a fucking idiot right right some guys just make mistakes or they think they know better or they do something stupid and puts everybody at risk yeah but they're not doing it on purpose right and there's some people that think they want to run the whole show those people are fucking idiots right there's certain people that steal from you they'll break in your house when they know you're not home yeah those people are fucking idiots right i know you mean yeah there's a different level and if we don't use the right words then what are we doing we're going to limit a kid's ability to express themselves right the words aren't changing they're not changing you they're not changed it's just another tool for expression and swear words like really swear words you're going to stop using swear words you're going to make people upset about swear words get the fuck out of here it's a ridiculous Yeah, no, no, no. I know, man. I just like, I get it.

[1886] I, that's like kind of my, my wife and I've decided that and like some of my friends or parents have also said.

[1887] Just teach them not to say those words.

[1888] Just teach them to be nice.

[1889] Or win the right time to say those words is.

[1890] It's just like listening to like, I don't know, like this morning I put on for no reason like 10 crack commandments and like my, then like my son was in the other room and like he comes walking in like he's just learning to dance and then I pick him up.

[1891] He's laughing and we're dancing.

[1892] And I'm like, oh, fuck, we're dancing to the Ten Crack Commandments right now.

[1893] Like, he doesn't know what it's being said.

[1894] But you know what I mean?

[1895] It's like, fuck, I don't know if I, even, even though he doesn't, even the fact he probably hopefully doesn't understand, at least hopefully does it.

[1896] I still like, I don't know that.

[1897] It's like you're saying, it's too much.

[1898] The energy is too intense.

[1899] It's too.

[1900] It's very aggressive.

[1901] Yeah.

[1902] Yeah, there's certain, you know, you don't, you want to.

[1903] Shelter them a little bit from the most dark show.

[1904] You don't want to show your kid some murder movie, like the opening scene of saving Private Ryan when they're four.

[1905] You don't want to say, sit down.

[1906] This is what happens when people go to war.

[1907] This is the closest that we have that represents what war is like, right?

[1908] Seeing people's guts hanging out and legs blown off.

[1909] You're not going to show that to a four -year -old.

[1910] Never.

[1911] All right.

[1912] Me neither.

[1913] That's what it seems like if I act like I act with my friends.

[1914] around little kids so i i i pull it in a lot a lot but occasionally i'll i'll say a shit sure or something but i don't i just try to there's there's words that i don't want to lose like i don't the only reason why i think a lot of like these swear words like the f word or the shit word or whatever if you're at work and you can't say those like why not like what is that what kind of john Is that like what are we we're we're all the grown -ups now and when we were children We thought that there was a system that was put in place by enlightened beings and these enlightened beings know the adults They knew better we resisted but we thought they eventually were correct yes and then you get to be a certain age like oh that's nonsense There's no adults.

[1915] It's just people that got older right there's just people so as people The the that you have to limit your language The only thing that's good is when someone who you don't expect to says get the fuck out of here when they say it's even better yeah right yeah sure a woman that you would think would be like like very reserved very professional and she's like that chick's a cunt like you're like no yeah i love that when you realize someone you thought was a square is not only not a square but like a million times more out there than you are but they're like they're trapped yeah or they're camo they just have like figured out a way to like not reveal to you or to the world that because they they like understood it's a little easier if people don't realize that unless you're around cool people those are the best moments when that window opens up and and you realize oh fuck man i'm such a dope i had you completely pegged as something that you're not at all and those are really like whoa fuck what's that cough it's not real it's a marijuana cough i know man i hate i'm a hypochondriac joe with allergies everybody is now i have allergies i have seasonal allergies and you know anytime before this was happening anytime i would get sick i'd be like well this might be the end and now like all of us who are like that we're like it's really intense man because like any demonstration you know my birthday was the other day we got like you know they deliver booze in l .a now like they'll deliver mixed drinks to you now they'll probably deliver bullets you probably get bullets brought to your door now hopefully not too fast but i'm sorry Bullet delivery.

[1916] But yeah, anyway, man, like, I was just hung over, you know, but there was a moment where I'm like, is this a hangover?

[1917] Am I?

[1918] There is this, like, what's this headache?

[1919] And, you know, what's going?

[1920] That's the, to me, that's the part of this thing that's, you know, I haven't seen it get acknowledged that much is like just the psychological pressure of what's going on.

[1921] Like, the way it's got to be, like, you know, just psychologically, like, things.

[1922] I think of all the people you and I know who are already teetering at the very edge of sanity and like imagine them alone in an apartment for a month with like the news telling them that we don't know when we can let you out like, whoa, how many people are like really losing their shit?

[1923] And like I'm not losing my shit, but at least a couple of times a day, I'll have a real claustrophobic moment.

[1924] Like I can't explain it.

[1925] It's like a, I don't know if it's a panic attack.

[1926] It's just like this sense of like, oh, this fucking sucks.

[1927] I don't want to drive by Trader Joe's and see people wearing face masks with six feet in between each of them and the fucking weirdness of it all.

[1928] People are driving weird right now.

[1929] And it's just like, what the fuck?

[1930] People are driving weird.

[1931] Yeah.

[1932] Real aggressive.

[1933] Yeah, man. That, that, that, you know, I don't, people, I don't think are acknowledging the fact that, and they need to, that if you're feeling, if you're feeling a little off right now, that's not.

[1934] normal like you probably should acknowledge that you know or at least like otherwise people are going to start thinking they're really going nuts when it's like no you just have some kind of like probably a new mental illness will be they'll probably be a new name for a COVID related mental illness you know like pandemic associated claustrophobia syndrome or some shit like that you know some like thing that is a new thing because we've never had to do this before of course 100 % yeah I mean do you know how many people are going to get sued for this do you know I mean how many people are going to sue the government for the closed downs you know how many people are going to go crazy and yeah how many businesses are going to be lost i mean lives are turned upside down you know how many people fuck man divorces oh my god so many yeah dude so many you know people forced in these high pressure situations they didn't anticipate and then some people falling apart people with drug problems they accelerate because they need a relief yeah anxiety from all this Yeah, man. And we're just beginning it, man. I mean, we're still three weeks away from at least here where this state is going to open up, right?

[1935] 9 -15th.

[1936] Yeah.

[1937] But what do you think is going to happen in Georgia?

[1938] Do you think when they open Georgia back up, you're going to get like another series of people that have it?

[1939] What do you think it's going to be?

[1940] What do you think, if you had a guess?

[1941] Man, that's the problem.

[1942] I have no debt.

[1943] All the data sources are, some of them are so very different, it seems like.

[1944] that it's like you know you have people who've won Nobel prizes you know saying what they think it is and you have other people who are doctors saying what they think it is and those things don't quite match to the point where it comes down to it's not like what I think's going to happen it's what I hope is going to happen which is like that it just not only that it the curve keeps flattening maybe not necessarily because I just maybe because it's mutating maybe because hurt immunity maybe because you know I don't know who believe you turn on Fox News you see one.

[1945] story, you turn on CNN, you see the other story, you go on the internet, it's a fucking meteor that's going to hit, you go, you know, it depends on who you're talking to, and FG, 5G, you know, a variety of things, a, a low -level bioweapon that's being combined with a horrific, like, powerful sci -ops operation, who the fuck knows, Joe?

[1946] We don't know.

[1947] So it's like the, that to me is the real unnerving quality of this outside of worrying, like, if you go outside like every time you cough I'm like mother fuck I should have worn my mask I'm doomed when my wife sees she's gonna fucking kill my ass but like that you know just that those moments they would normally just go completely unnoticed I like those to me that new reality to get highlighted yeah and brother that's that is like that's another form of virus it's fear and it's paranoia and it's like it's a meme that spreads And it changes your outlook, it changes the way you interact with life.

[1948] Yeah.

[1949] Because it changes your outlook.

[1950] And it changes the actual course of your life.

[1951] Like you'll be operating with fear and operating with anxiety.

[1952] And everyone's thrust into that without anything bad that they've done.

[1953] For no fault of their own, they're thrust into the situation where even though they've worked really hard, they've been really disciplined, they've done the right thing.

[1954] They've been conservative.

[1955] They take care of their health.

[1956] all the all the all the all the checks everything but still all of a sudden work goes away yeah for everybody yeah nobody did anything wrong so everybody's thrust into this situation it's really the ultimate halves and half knots moment you know and it's for what's really interesting it's like right when bernie sanders just stepped out of the race like this is the example of why we need some sort of comprehensive plan for everybody if everything goes wrong yeah man this is right right here like the idea the capitalism moves the world yes it does it seems to motivate most of what we do but the idea that there's there's not more that we can do for the people of the community of of the united states of america as a community right is that health care and education and stop people from being robbed like stop stop some predatory lending stop all these things that you can clearly see people are just getting fucked over from yeah spin money on health care.

[1957] Like we need that now.

[1958] Yeah, we went through a nice sweet spot where there was no real problems other than occasionally a little blips of bad flus and bad diseases and we squashed them real quick.

[1959] This is a big one that hit the whole, and this is only, you know, as far as like terrible pandemics, the amount of people that it kills per people that get it is not as high as it is for some of the more horrendous diseases.

[1960] We got lucky.

[1961] We should prepare for the worst.

[1962] We should prepare for airborne Ebola, okay?

[1963] We should.

[1964] We should.

[1965] should prepare for all that shit.

[1966] We should think about it the way we think about arms races.

[1967] How much money they put it into the military and how much money they put into the war against viruses?

[1968] Well, the war against viruses just killed 50 ,000 people at home.

[1969] Imagine if China just had just launched missiles into American cities and killed 50 ,000 people.

[1970] We would be at fucking war.

[1971] All of our resources would be dedicated to that, right?

[1972] Why aren't all of our resources being dedicated to fighting off fucking diseases?

[1973] This is a real wake -up call for that.

[1974] It's also a wake -up call for power grid people, people that are worried about the power grid go down.

[1975] It's a wake -up call for people that haven't had food stockpiled in their house.

[1976] Wake -up call for people that are living extended, you know, like they've really extended their reach as far as the how much their rent is and how much their car payment is.

[1977] And they're really stretching it.

[1978] Well, boom, something like this happens and you're never going to play catch up.

[1979] You're barely keeping up with your lifestyle before all this went down.

[1980] And again, through no fault of your own.

[1981] So you've got to kind of prepare now.

[1982] People are going to have to look at this like, okay, now we know something can happen that we never thought could happen before and the whole world shuts down.

[1983] Yeah.

[1984] Now we know.

[1985] That's it.

[1986] But we should act accordingly in like how we run things.

[1987] Now we know.

[1988] Well, that's the silver lining.

[1989] I mean, like that's a silver line.

[1990] It's like when you have a thing happen that you realize, like, Like, you know, whatever, like in your car, you get lucky and you notice that the tire is like super flat and you fill it up.

[1991] You just didn't notice or whatever.

[1992] You see a thing and it saves you from a later fucking thing that could have been a million times worse.

[1993] But, you know, man, the wake up call to me is like it's no joke that you need to at least be on like some terms with your neighbors.

[1994] And it's no joke that you need to understand how to do like how to grow food out of the ground.

[1995] and some like basic first aid and stuff like that and also to always have gas in your car man like you know we the other day went to get groceries and like fucking the you know left a credit card at the house right and like the but the car was kind of low on fuel because i hadn't gased it up like i should have right and the combination of suddenly not being able to put gas in the car and these two dumb mistakes it wasn't just a normal shitty day where your car runs out of gas now it's your car's run out of gas now it's your car's run out of of gas during a pandemic, meaning you got to call somebody to come and put gas in your car or walk somewhere to get gas.

[1996] That's a whole different walk than before.

[1997] And that's asking someone to come and help you is kind of like asking him, hey, would you mind like taking a chance?

[1998] I mean, I know you're wearing a mask and everything, but you know what I mean?

[1999] So suddenly fuckups in this kind of environment, they mean a lot more than fuckups in like the previous world that we were in.

[2000] And that's teaching me a real kind of responsibility, you know?

[2001] having some cash on hand, like stuff like that.

[2002] Like what we, you know, we should always be doing that.

[2003] And to me, that is one of the, you know, and I hate using, everyone's using the term silver lining right now.

[2004] And it's like, anytime you say it, it's like, yeah, it's a silver lining on like people who drown in their own fucking mucus.

[2005] It's not the, you know, it's fucked up.

[2006] But I guess one of the silver linings in it is just that.

[2007] The fact that it's like, look, man, Trump just was talking about maybe we should inject ourselves with Lysol.

[2008] How crazy is that video?

[2009] Have you seen the one when they focus on the lady who's the science advisor and she's sitting there listening to him, say all this shit?

[2010] Yeah.

[2011] Have you seen that?

[2012] I have.

[2013] I have.

[2014] Sam Harris tweeted it.

[2015] And it's, he said, when you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you.

[2016] That's it.

[2017] That's it.

[2018] You know, but also in that look, you know, I saw her thinking like, listen, motherfuckers, who's in line?

[2019] You want to have, you want this job?

[2020] I'm doing what I can to steer this crazy ship as best as I fucking can and there's not much I could do but it's like you know you see somebody seriously say to an entire planet that it might be a good idea to inject Lysol into your body Let's hear it let's hear it Let me hear it Start for the beginning.

[2021] I think you've got actually double click on it on my computer I had to to get the sound out of it Nothing No I don't hear it that was Duncan That was me It's haunted Anyway Bottom line is He's saying wacky shit And the focus is on this lady And as she's watching him She's like I can't even fucking believe I have to handle this Yeah And she does Dude that's it But to me We can get the disinfectant Into their body That's maybe possible We could get up to drink Lysol Light Powerful light We could use light Kill it from outside or inside.

[2022] I don't know how you're doing.

[2023] There you go.

[2024] Because you see a thing like that and it's like, okay, lean into that.

[2025] Like, that's going to, like, lean into that is the thing that you can count on.

[2026] That's the thing saying inject Lysol.

[2027] That's the kind of thing where, like, your craziest friend if they said that to you, you would be considering, like, calling their friends or their mom to be like, hey, Jack, he's having like a hardcore manic episode.

[2028] He's talking about injecting Lysol into himself.

[2029] You better do something.

[2030] That's the fucking president.

[2031] And to me, what that tells me is like, motherfucker, you need gas in your car.

[2032] You need to make sure your phone is juiced up.

[2033] You know what I mean?

[2034] You need to make sure that you are like...

[2035] You got to be ready.

[2036] You got to be ready because if we like think we're going to lean into some like imaginary hammock made of like people who are saying that we should inject ourselves with lysol, then we're made, then it's our fault.

[2037] That's your...

[2038] Because you know it's like, let's imagine, let's say you went and you, I don't know, you went into the forest and you got attacked by a tiger but right before you went in the tiger into the forest you said to somebody hey do you think I should go in that forest there are tigers there and they're like no and then they start shooting up with Lysaw you know what I mean if you go in that forest and the tiger gets you that's your fault you fucking listen to a dude who thought you could shoot up Lysol you know what I mean that's your fault imagine what was he thinking while he was saying that he's probably like this got to be an intelligent way to get out of this fucking subject that I've already started and I've already coming up with perhaps for instance maybe you could maybe you could supposing we hit the body with a tremendous whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light and I think you said that hasn't been checked but you're going to test it and then I said supposing you'd work the right inside the body which you can do either through the skin or in some other way.

[2039] And I think you said you're going to test that too.

[2040] Sounds interesting.

[2041] Right, and then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute.

[2042] And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning?

[2043] Because you see it gets in the lungs.

[2044] Cleaning.

[2045] There's a tremendous number of the lungs.

[2046] So it would be interesting to check.

[2047] A cleaning.

[2048] A cleaning of the lungs.

[2049] we take your lungs out and spray them with lice off?

[2050] Spray them down, put your lungs through a car wash. Like, what is yeah?

[2051] What a crazy thing to say?

[2052] I mean, a cleaning.

[2053] A cleaning.

[2054] Give him a cleaning.

[2055] Yeah.

[2056] Imagine like being his doctor and you have to listen to him say this.

[2057] Like, so why don't you do like the disinfectant you know, inside as like a cleaning?

[2058] Can you dip my liver and bleach?

[2059] Can you take my liver out and just microwave it yeah you know so to me you see that and it's like okay well I'm not quite certain that that is where I'm going to get my data stream from because that's a Lysol person and then but then we but then there must be like a thing we can do regardless of the fact that clearly bro you wouldn't even talk like that on a podcast do I would never say that in that but imagine imagine you have zero expertise in a certain subject you're talking to someone who's like some expert in this said subject.

[2060] And you're proposing these outlandish, like you're on a podium.

[2061] You're not even having a private conversation.

[2062] In front of everybody.

[2063] You're somehow or another having a side conversation where you're proposing these ridiculous ideas that show that you don't understand how disinfectant works.

[2064] Why is that conversation even taking place?

[2065] Also, the other thing is because he did ask the question.

[2066] That is a time for someone on that side of the room to go no!

[2067] Look at Eric.

[2068] can't.

[2069] Why didn't she say that?

[2070] She knows she can't do that.

[2071] She knows if she interrupts him and goes, what, you can't do that?

[2072] You can't inject disinfection.

[2073] He would probably be upset.

[2074] And she wants to do the best work that she can do.

[2075] And this is just some nonsense she has to handle along the way.

[2076] Wow.

[2077] Yeah.

[2078] Yeah, I guess so.

[2079] It's just a bad path.

[2080] Look, first of all, I mean, look, the guy works some ungodly amount of hours in a day, right?

[2081] He's going to do some dumb shit.

[2082] And he wings it a lot, right?

[2083] So he probably was stuck on that conversation of things that might be able to be done.

[2084] And maybe you could do strong, ultra -violent light, like in the skin.

[2085] Then all of a sudden he's like, oh, my God, I'm laying out possible ways that you could cure this there.

[2086] I better keep going.

[2087] I better have more than one.

[2088] Yeah.

[2089] And there's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're disinfectant.

[2090] That's right.

[2091] Disinfecting.

[2092] Maybe inside or outside.

[2093] They have a way of doing that.

[2094] And then he says, and then he goes to her.

[2095] Like, he's looking for support.

[2096] Like, I think you said maybe.

[2097] I think you said maybe you look into that.

[2098] Yeah, man. I mean, it definitely has that sense of like when you had to give a report at school and you hadn't prepared for it.

[2099] That's it.

[2100] That's exactly what it's like.

[2101] Well, who were the Assyrian rebels?

[2102] Well, they were from Assyria.

[2103] Yeah.

[2104] They were rebels.

[2105] Yes.

[2106] I heard there were tremendous rebels.

[2107] They were fighters.

[2108] They fought and they fought long and hard in Syria and areas around Syria.

[2109] And some people in areas around Syria referred to them as rebels and said they were some of the most intense rebels in the region.

[2110] No, Assyria, it's a different place.

[2111] Duncan, you wrote a report about the wrong place, As Syrian.

[2112] I was saying that.

[2113] You heard me wrong.

[2114] Yeah, you just heard me wrong.

[2115] I can't give you an A. Yeah, man. How many times did you bullshit your way through?

[2116] like those things in high school bullshit every every time a lot of the times man I mean I got like I think it was the red badge of courage which even now I can't remember what if it's I think it's about the Revolutionary War and I believe that I didn't read it all clearly I didn't read it because I still can't remember which war it was about but I remember just having not read the book at all having to write a report on it where I think I said it in Vietnam or something like or in maybe it was a Civil War and that she was just like, that's not even the war that it was that happened that, you know, I completely failed.

[2117] Like, one of those, one of those Fs where the teacher's angry.

[2118] They carved it in it.

[2119] Yeah, they carved it in it.

[2120] Yeah, I found out about Cliff Notes when I was in high school.

[2121] I couldn't believe it.

[2122] I'm like, this is a gift from God.

[2123] Cliff Notes, you just got to buy it on your own.

[2124] You got to buy the book, but it's a way more, you can read it in an hour.

[2125] That's right.

[2126] fucking but it still sucked you had to pay money for a cliff now i mean yeah but i thought it was cheating i was like they're cheating though they're giving you a way to like this is not so you can learn better this so you can pass test right that's this is it's like oh yeah and then mickey said to her get off my fucking porch that's page 30 that's yeah there's a little grayer a few years ago where kids could just copy and paste other people's reports for from years past because they were all digital and teachers didn't know this was a thing they could check they don't have checking tools to find out plagiarism and whatnot, but so many kids probably for a few years just did literally nothing.

[2127] I'm sure.

[2128] What a disaster, that's right.

[2129] I'm sure.

[2130] You get out of school and you graduate high school, you can't read.

[2131] Like, what?

[2132] You can't read.

[2133] I have not.

[2134] I didn't pay attention.

[2135] I can't.

[2136] Just play video games.

[2137] I can read like a little bit of video games.

[2138] Yeah, just made my way through.

[2139] Well, I mean, you know, there's like that's one of the, isn't that, no. The people who went to, recently went to jail for like bribe, for getting their kids in college.

[2140] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2141] It's kind of a version of that, except with your kids, right?

[2142] You're like, you're like just, their kids aren't, aren't supposed to be in college because they haven't done any work in high school and they don't know what they're doing, but if you pay enough money, you get them in there.

[2143] It's like, and also, aren't they doing some thing where they get people to go and take SATs for your kid?

[2144] Like, you figure out a way to, like, it's an identity theft thing, or you can even get someone to go and, like, do the test as your kid using fake ID and shit.

[2145] So it's like you send in an operative that isn't your kid to take the test so you can get into a nice school.

[2146] That whole thing was so crazy.

[2147] They spent so much money to get kids in school that didn't want to be good students.

[2148] Yeah.

[2149] That's right.

[2150] Almost like you think you could buy a kid's way to enthusiastic focus.

[2151] Well, there you go.

[2152] I mean, there's the whole problem.

[2153] problem isn't it what is that this was this is from the district attorney's office in Massachusetts it's one of the photos that was used to show this girl's a rowing high school rowing career that she got a scholarship on that's a workout machine oh wow that was supposed to be like yeah look at her in her varsity oh fuck man what wow so there was no photos of her actually rowing out on a boat that's part of the thing like having people take test They went in stage photos, too, to be like, look, the person did that.

[2154] It's all allegedly, according to the court.

[2155] Do you imagine how mad real rowers would be at you if they found out you got a scholarship based on a fucking rowing machine photo?

[2156] Wait.

[2157] You'd be so mad.

[2158] Was it for scholarships or was it just trying to get them in?

[2159] I believe it was just to get in.

[2160] I don't think they got scholarships, but to be on the rowing team, you know, or whatever it's called.

[2161] I forget, I'll top of my head.

[2162] Is it, like, good for your GPA or some shit?

[2163] It's a way to get in.

[2164] Oh, way to get in.

[2165] Oh, right.

[2166] So that and the bribe.

[2167] Extracurricular activity kind of stuff on your record and whatnot.

[2168] So they just, they fudged that and then bribed the rest of it.

[2169] Do you think the kids knew?

[2170] Yeah.

[2171] Yeah, you know when your parents like, hey, we just bought this rowing machine.

[2172] Why?

[2173] Just don't worry about it.

[2174] We're just going to take a picture of you in a rowing machine.

[2175] Like, sure, you know, you're getting a picture taken to you to try to get you into this school that your dad, went to or whatever you're complicit to some degree like yeah you have to be yeah yeah a little bit go to that picture she doesn't even she didn't even broke a sweat well it has a face covered enough so you can't see but i want to see close in on that she didn't look sweaty to me crew is the word i was trying to think she looks like she's barely started exercising there's another one down here too yeah come on son i don't see no sweat that's a better one because look stop go up look at that that's a gray sweat uh gray t -shirt great t -shirt great t -shirt great t -shirt It looks sweaty instantly.

[2176] Instantly.

[2177] I recall.

[2178] This is hilarious.

[2179] She probably pulled it back a couple times.

[2180] Am I done yet?

[2181] God, you can't even get me into USC.

[2182] Fucking loser.

[2183] My father's a loser and he takes pills.

[2184] Yeah.

[2185] No shit, dude.

[2186] I want you to love me. Well, get me into fucking UFC.

[2187] All my friends are going, dude, that thing that's really fucked up is like there's some kid whose parents are making $20K a year who's working his fucking ass off just somehow managing to study nonstop to try to get into a good school who doesn't get into the school because of that shit.

[2188] That's the satanic part is like they buy their way in and that's someone's place.

[2189] They have a limited number of places meaning theoretically someone doesn't get into the school who could be the person who is going to invent teleportation or some shit.

[2190] Isn't that weird about schools?

[2191] You have your first choice, you get your second choice.

[2192] Yeah.

[2193] Billy got his third choice.

[2194] Fuck, Billy's going on.

[2195] Where's he going?

[2196] South Dakota.

[2197] What's in South Dakota?

[2198] Yeah.

[2199] Flat ground.

[2200] Dude, I get it, though.

[2201] I mean, I get wanting to get into some Ivy League.

[2202] I get it.

[2203] Illuminani school.

[2204] I think that'd be cool.

[2205] Especially if you're in.

[2206] If you're in the Illuminati and your kids are dope.

[2207] Shit.

[2208] That sucks so bad.

[2209] You're in the Illuminani with an embarrassing kid.

[2210] And if you, like, I don't, I don't swear that much around my kids.

[2211] My kids don't know how I talk around my friends.

[2212] What if that's how it is with, like, Illuminati, too?

[2213] Like, these kids don't even know their parents were in the Illuminati.

[2214] Yeah.

[2215] You know, and you're like, look, I'm trying to get you to be in a, you know, better position in life.

[2216] But I was working all the time.

[2217] I wasn't around.

[2218] I didn't push you hard enough.

[2219] No shit.

[2220] But I got you in Yale.

[2221] Or they fucking know you're in it.

[2222] And they're just like, you're like, did you get into my fucking adrenachrome again?

[2223] They're like breaking into your vaults, you know?

[2224] taking your fucking, like, goblets of blood and drinking it at parties.

[2225] Don't drink any more of my blood.

[2226] You have to stop this, you know?

[2227] You join them into skull and bones.

[2228] Don't they bring their kids to skull and bones?

[2229] I don't think so.

[2230] I think they do.

[2231] I think once they're in, their son turns dirty, they say, son, I'm going to show you something.

[2232] They take them to the skull and bones.

[2233] Don't they?

[2234] They bring them in?

[2235] No, if you go to school there, you get into it, right?

[2236] I think that's how you get to the school.

[2237] That's how you get in?

[2238] stuff right legacy is that how you get in or is that how you get in skull and bones like i would not i don't think the whole school gets to be skull and bones no no but that's how you get accepted is when i'm at that's how you get into the school isn't that funny like if you're in a place like yale which is very exclusive and very prestigious already some creeps like that's not enough i want to get in the secret cult dick suck in society what do they do they don't suck dicks do they well you know wasn't there a rumor that they make each other blow each other Take photos of it So that they have something over them That was what's one of the crazy Online conspiracy theories, right?

[2239] They make every guy suck a dick And they take Polaroids of it So they always have it They hold over you I think that's just fraternity stuff But yeah Is that normal fraternity stuff?

[2240] I mean, Bert's talked about that Biscuit thing, whatever for it Yeah, they would jerk off on a biscuit Right, yeah That's the circle jerk thing And the last guy to come He had to eat the biscuit But no one's really doing except for the one idiot That Yeah, one guy who can't come Because he's just jerking off I think about guys all the time.

[2241] You just go, yeah.

[2242] I sucked a bunch of my friend's dicks.

[2243] Who's fucking cares?

[2244] I mean, aren't we in a time now where, like, a picture of me emerges sucking all my friend's dicks?

[2245] I think there's more to, than that.

[2246] I think they peg you or something.

[2247] They take pictures of them wearing a strap on.

[2248] So you got pegged.

[2249] Yeah, but some people don't want everybody.

[2250] You know, they want to rise through the branch at Raytheon and get to the top.

[2251] Everyone at Raytheon gets pegged.

[2252] Like, you know, that's just like, fuck it.

[2253] Like, yeah, we all get pegged.

[2254] Now what?

[2255] So what?

[2256] We're inventing bombs.

[2257] Now, you know, like, who cares?

[2258] Of course we get pegged.

[2259] Yeah, but the guy's wearing a goat costume.

[2260] So what?

[2261] I like to wear a goat costume when I get pegged.

[2262] I like too much kinky shit.

[2263] It's like, God damn it, I hope we get to a time where, like, they take pictures of someone doing a fucking thing that's legit fucked up so that, you know, and they get banished for it.

[2264] It's like, I'm, God forbid, like, I can't even imagine the Polaroys that could emerge of weird shit I've done, you know?

[2265] I've got.

[2266] I could only imagine.

[2267] You can't imagine.

[2268] I can't.

[2269] But that being said, it's like, yeah, I wonder what, I think what the initiation, I get it.

[2270] Like, it is, look, let's face it.

[2271] You're not going to job at race here.

[2272] It's probably fun to be a part of a little tiny group that's a part of an exclusive group, right?

[2273] You got the exclusive group, that's Yale, and then you get the little skull and bones.

[2274] We all get together, all brothers in the room.

[2275] You know, they probably have like secret words.

[2276] They have to say in Latin and shit.

[2277] Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.

[2278] I imagine, based on the way I have come to understand things, whatever it is, is way more boring than we imagine.

[2279] Because, you know what I mean?

[2280] Like, when you don't know what a thing is, you always project the worst thing on it.

[2281] My guess is it's boring as fuck.

[2282] It's probably just some college bullshit where people who are in a frat sit around and like make dumb jokes and do stupid shit and it's nothing.

[2283] They probably don't even peg you.

[2284] They probably just take a polaroid of your asshole.

[2285] Got it.

[2286] Look.

[2287] we got your keep your mouth shut yeah we have a picture of your asshole it's your soul's fingerprint don't show anybody please stop imagine your asshole told a lot about you that's the big discovery you know and you see their soul it's a windows to the soul what if the asshole is like you can really know whether you like someone just by looking at their asshole there's something about the asshole tells you things Books come out decoding your asshole You know like people read hands They read fingerprints Why can't they read assholes I bet assholes tell you a lot Just like someone's eyebrows do it Someone's got like mean eyebrows Like whoa that guy looks aggressive I don't trust The guy's got big thick bushy eyebrows And he's not mean I get suspicious He's all friendly With these big crazy fucking eyebrows But all the villains Have big crazy eyebrows They're all angry Yeah, those crazy eyebrows.

[2288] It's just like, man, for one, here's probably for sure.

[2289] We don't know that you can't tell a person's future from their asshole yet because no one's thought of it.

[2290] That could be the new thing that people pick up as a business during this pandemic.

[2291] Asshole reading.

[2292] Yeah.

[2293] Or what if it's like a, what if it's like a there's a scan it?

[2294] A skin.

[2295] It's a discount.

[2296] A QR code.

[2297] Your asshole flots into a QR code.

[2298] All this time, we've been looking for alien signals from space.

[2299] We didn't know.

[2300] It was in our assholes.

[2301] Yeah, it was all photos of our assholes.

[2302] If you put them together on a grid, it gives us the diagram of how to build a spaceship to get out of here.

[2303] We just have to have all the photos.

[2304] It's like a giant jigsaw puzzle with 8 billion pieces.

[2305] You take 8 billion assholes and you put them on a grid and you'll see the schematics.

[2306] Behold.

[2307] It'll tell us exactly when the sun's going to supernova.

[2308] about 50 years Maybe what if that's what the quantum computer The first thing it says is I need pictures Of all the assholes on the planet Like If you vote You have to show a photo your asshole before you vote You have to have it on your phone And that's your thing Instead of a thumbprint No thumbprints are not exact Assholes are exact And they don't get changed by workouts Or they don't like Like, you know, your thumbprint, your hands can get bigger.

[2309] It could be a little bit different.

[2310] How do you know?

[2311] I don't know that assholes don't get changed from workouts.

[2312] Well, they can, one thing they can do with your thumbprint, right?

[2313] Some people have burned their prints off.

[2314] You can't really burn.

[2315] Well, I guess you could burn your asshole into an unreadable.

[2316] That's one of the levels of the CIA.

[2317] Yeah, you're tired of people reading your asshole.

[2318] I can't get a good relationship because people keep reading my asshole wrong.

[2319] Fuck.

[2320] Look, I'm more than my asshole.

[2321] Let's end with that We just did three and a half hours Holy shit man It's so fast It's crazy It's 4 o 'clock already Listen man Your show looks amazing I'm very excited for you I'm very happy for you Tell people once again It's on Netflix It's on Netflix It's called the Midnight Gospel Please just watch it It's like yeah It's I'm very proud of it And I think you'll enjoy it Duncantrustle .com Duncan Trussell on Twitter Duncan Trussell on Instagram Duncan Trussell Family Art Podcast yes thank you brother thank you brother always good to see you man this is really thank you bye everybody see it it was so fun dude that was so fun dude that was