Jason Derulo

[0] Welcome, welcome, welcome to armchair expert.

[1] I'm Dan Shepard, and I'm joined by Lily Pedman.

[2] Hello there.

[3] Hi.

[4] Hi.

[5] How are you?

[6] I'm great.

[7] Oh, man, I got to say this interview brought about some fun exploration in the fact check.

[8] Just want to throw that out there.

[9] Yeah.

[10] We can kind of go all over the place.

[11] We really do, but we also learned some juicy deets about people's finances and their love lives.

[12] Today's guest is Jason DeRullo.

[13] He is a singer and a songwriter.

[14] He is many albums that are very, very successful.

[15] Jason DeRullo, future history, tattoos, or tattoos, if you're English, talk dirty.

[16] Everything is four.

[17] And he has a new book out right now called Sing Your Name Out Loud, 15 rules for living your dream.

[18] And I will see Jason is in hot pursuit of his dream at all times.

[19] He's very industrious and engaged.

[20] He is, and his rules are not, I mean, some are not obvious, but like make sense.

[21] And then some are surprising.

[22] Uh -huh, and fun.

[23] Yeah, very fun.

[24] He was wonderful.

[25] Please enjoy Jason Derulo.

[26] Wondry Plus subscribers can listen to armchair expert early and ad free right now.

[27] Join Wondry Plus in the Wondry app or on Apple Podcasts.

[28] Or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcast.

[29] He's an How old is he?

[30] Two.

[31] What's his name?

[32] Jason, Jason King.

[33] He's just so cute.

[34] Thank you.

[35] Thank you.

[36] This coffee for you if you wanted.

[37] Oh, thanks.

[38] What kind is that?

[39] It's called a cream top.

[40] It's just espresso, water, and cream on top.

[41] Sugar?

[42] There's probably some sugar in there.

[43] It looks like a...

[44] You want a normal cup of coffee?

[45] We also, yeah, we have Kierig if you want regular coffee.

[46] That would be amazing.

[47] But that looks incredible.

[48] It is incredible.

[49] Just trying to be on my shit.

[50] He got me addicted to them.

[51] Damn.

[52] Robert Downey Jr. was in here.

[53] Rob got him one.

[54] He made a big stink about it.

[55] I can't have this cow's milk.

[56] And then he drank it and he loved it.

[57] And everything was fine.

[58] Oh, my God.

[59] What are you trying to avoid?

[60] Dairy or sugar are all above?

[61] Doing intermittent fasting most days.

[62] And on Fridays, I just fasted the whole 24.

[63] Oh, wow.

[64] And how long have you been doing that?

[65] Two months now.

[66] And what have the results been?

[67] My skin has been better.

[68] I used to have to take acutane.

[69] I haven't been dealing with any of the acne problems that I had before.

[70] That's great.

[71] So that's a major one for me. And my camera guy has seen incredible results, too.

[72] He used to have, like, cystic everywhere.

[73] And now his face is, like, really calmed down.

[74] Wow.

[75] And then I just look better.

[76] Less blowed.

[77] Yeah.

[78] Energy better?

[79] Energy is not better.

[80] I hear that shit.

[81] I hear that shit.

[82] People say that shit.

[83] But, I mean, let's be honest.

[84] Yeah, you're tired.

[85] You're out of fuel.

[86] Well, there's no calorie.

[87] The coffee helps, though.

[88] It's an appetite suppress.

[89] It works really well.

[90] The other thing is kind of positive and kind of negative is drinking on Friday when I'm fasting for 24 hours.

[91] Sometimes I'll just go crazy and do like a 48.

[92] After that, if I have a drink, like it hits me really, really hard.

[93] Yes.

[94] And it hits my stomach really hard.

[95] This is like kind of poison.

[96] You can feel that it's poison because nothing else is in there distracting you.

[97] And normally I wouldn't feel the poison.

[98] Right.

[99] But now my body's kind of like, oh, what the fuck is this?

[100] It's very pure and fragile.

[101] I don't know if I love that, though.

[102] No, listen to me, I'm an ex fucking crack addict.

[103] I used to smoke two packs a day.

[104] I only ate at 7 -Eleven the chili dogs.

[105] Yeah.

[106] I felt amazing every day.

[107] Uh -huh.

[108] And now I'm 48 and I fucking eat perfect.

[109] I've been drinking years, nothing.

[110] And if I have some sugar, the next day I'm fucked.

[111] I'm like, this is insane.

[112] I've gotten that sensitive.

[113] And then like your skin, I have psoratic arthritis.

[114] So if I eat the wrong foods, my joints hurt, I'll get rash on my skin.

[115] Wow.

[116] And I think everyone's symptoms and illnesses are mostly we're allergic to shit.

[117] We don't know we're allergic to.

[118] For sure.

[119] So I bet just having the break from whatever thing was triggering you is probably huge.

[120] But the fact that your body is that sensitive to all those things now, I mean, it's kind of amazing.

[121] Yeah.

[122] And your body's kind of like, that's trash, that's trash and that's trash.

[123] as opposed to like when you live normally, it's like all good.

[124] Exactly.

[125] Well, and you're moving from one dopamine hit to the neck.

[126] So it's like just as you're feeling shitty from the lunch, you like have a big ass coffee and then you get another 20 out of that.

[127] And then you have a snack and that bumps you up.

[128] And you're just on this endless hamster wheel of trying to jack up the dopamine.

[129] Have you been hearing a lot about fasting as of late?

[130] In my circle, the peak fasting thing was like two years ago.

[131] Really?

[132] It was in Rich West L .A. seem hard.

[133] All of my social media, all I see is fasting, fasting, fasting.

[134] Really?

[135] I made it a religious thing on Fridays.

[136] It used to just be I won't eat meat on Fridays.

[137] I've done that my whole life with my family.

[138] Yeah.

[139] But then I was like, all this fasting thing is like really calling me. So that really got me in the mode of just intermittent fasting in general.

[140] Yeah.

[141] Whites of your eyes clearer?

[142] 100%.

[143] Yeah.

[144] Isn't that crazy?

[145] Is that the drinking, though?

[146] Well, that's part of it.

[147] Yeah.

[148] For sure.

[149] The whites of my eyes were also amazing when I was.

[150] I was vegan.

[151] Oh.

[152] I track that on myself a lot.

[153] If I eat like shit, then I feel like shit, then I'm getting a rationed.

[154] And then I'll just check in with that white smith.

[155] I'm like, oh, yeah, no, that's fucking hazy and dingy looking.

[156] You're really in tune.

[157] I love this.

[158] Oh, the whole podcast about his food, his workout routine.

[159] I love that.

[160] Well, I'm old.

[161] So you can float for a long time.

[162] I think I'm, what, 14 years?

[163] Yeah, you have some time.

[164] No, but this is the moment for you.

[165] This is actually the age where either you're going to go downhill.

[166] You're at the fork in the road.

[167] You look at peers and stuff, kids you went to school with.

[168] You start looking at them on Facebook or whatever.

[169] You'll start noticing like, oh, yeah, people start dropping off real quick at this age.

[170] It's the truth.

[171] You can look at your industry as well and see how people age.

[172] I rather have the longevity and the quality of life in my later years than just party it all out now and enjoy it now.

[173] I could have gone one or two ways, you know, I could have let loose and it's like, oh, I've done great in my life.

[174] Let me chill now.

[175] Or you can have that burning fire inside.

[176] And that's what I'm always trying to do is take it to the next level.

[177] And honestly, it's that that keeps the trajectory going in the positive direction.

[178] Yes.

[179] As my stomach rumbles.

[180] This is like, I'm still fucking hungry.

[181] If you die on Mike.

[182] Have your sales pitch for fasting, you just fucking claps dead.

[183] Now, that would be a tragedy.

[184] I'll be dead and mad as hell.

[185] Yeah, right.

[186] I did all that.

[187] You mean to tell me I could have some pizza and some burgers?

[188] Yeah.

[189] But you just said something that feels intrinsically true, which is I'm either getting better or I'm getting worse.

[190] There is no neutral for me. Facts.

[191] There's no homeostasis for me. I just have to be improving or I know I'll be just devolving.

[192] What doesn't grow dies, right?

[193] So if it's not thriving, then it's just going to go in the opposite direction.

[194] I think it's just the exact same truth for us.

[195] Yeah.

[196] Okay, so you're from a suburb of Miami.

[197] Miramar?

[198] Yes.

[199] My beginning, beginning years was in a city called Carroll City, and then we moved up to East Miramar.

[200] With George and Weezy?

[201] Moving on up?

[202] That's what you just referenced.

[203] George and Weezy, they moved on up.

[204] Yeah, and then we moved up even more when I was in high school.

[205] My mom and my dad did a really good job of pressing forward.

[206] How old were they when they left Haiti?

[207] They were really young.

[208] They went to college in Florida.

[209] Oh, okay.

[210] And your mom went to law school?

[211] Yeah, my mom went to law school later in life in her 30s.

[212] Okay.

[213] They got here as adults, though?

[214] I would say 16.

[215] Okay.

[216] But they met in Haiti or they met him?

[217] No, they met in college.

[218] Oh, they did?

[219] Okay.

[220] They went to a community college in Miami, Florida.

[221] My dad saw my mom and was like, she's the one.

[222] And it hasn't stopped.

[223] Actually, it did stop, but took a pause.

[224] Oh, okay.

[225] Which is not very normal, right?

[226] They divorced.

[227] Yeah.

[228] And then they got back together.

[229] I love those stories.

[230] Me too.

[231] I've never heard one of them.

[232] I forget who someone has married the same person three times.

[233] Really?

[234] Yeah, there's people that have even gone back a third round.

[235] I love that.

[236] How long were they separated?

[237] Two, three years.

[238] Really long time.

[239] Yeah.

[240] And then I guess you live apart and you realize life was better with each other.

[241] I think there's that.

[242] And then also I was with a girl for nine years.

[243] We broke up.

[244] The first year, I would have explained every reason we broke up was her fault.

[245] Then that all dissipates and I don't really feel that way anymore.

[246] And then I just started realizing like, I did so many things that were wrong.

[247] And I just found myself calling her randomly and apologizing.

[248] So I think it takes a minute to not focus on the other person.

[249] being to blame and then you start kind of just sitting with shit you did and maybe that's where you kind of course correct but that was happening when you're already out of the house I imagine yeah yeah I was already out of the house a lot of arguments and turmoil can come from money fights and when I was a kid my parents would fight all the time about money in the back of my mind I'd be like I'm going to fix this I thought that I would be the savior of the problems that they had and even with the money there were still money problems yes isn't that crazy It's so crazy.

[250] Does it fix it?

[251] I am currently in a like two -month spiral of just completely out of hand financial insecurity.

[252] Explain that to me. This new fear of I'm going to somehow be broke or I'm going to lose everything.

[253] Podcasting is going to be over and there's an actor strike and I'm not going to act.

[254] It's so foundationless.

[255] It's preposterous.

[256] It's literally impossible.

[257] It's not.

[258] It's not related to reality.

[259] It's from growing up poor.

[260] I just can't shake it.

[261] So like to your point, You watch your parents fight about money, you think money's the problem, but money's not the problem.

[262] It's not.

[263] It's way deeper rooted.

[264] And I think we proceed with a fantasy that that thing will fix what's going on with us, and we work relentlessly to get it.

[265] And then we get it in the room, why aren't I magically fixed?

[266] Oh, my goodness.

[267] I was supposed to be fixed, right?

[268] You're so right.

[269] I mean, I remember as a kid having this Lamborghini on my wall, and I was like, one day, I'm going to get that Lamborghini.

[270] Well, I got that damn Lamborghini, and I drove that thing like two, three times.

[271] And I was like, now what?

[272] You know what I'm saying?

[273] Yes.

[274] And then that helped me to realize where my true happiness lied.

[275] And it was not in things.

[276] I've had so many things in my life, and things do not make you happy.

[277] What makes you happy is being able to do the things that you love.

[278] What money is, though, is freedom.

[279] Yes, security.

[280] Security, those things.

[281] But it's not happiness.

[282] Happiness really lies in what your passions are and where your love lies.

[283] Mike Tyson has the best quote.

[284] he says, anyone who tells me that a lot of money will make you happy, what I know about them is they've never had a lot of money.

[285] That's facts.

[286] I think I've seen that.

[287] Yeah, that cuts right to the quick.

[288] But I imagine if your parents moved to the States from Haiti, they're ambitious, their go -getters, their adventures, high dopamine probably, passionate, probably a little bit mercurial.

[289] Yep.

[290] They were hungry, obviously.

[291] They came here for opportunity, and they chased it down.

[292] So I imagine it was the family obsession.

[293] climbing that ladder.

[294] It's typical American dream story.

[295] My mom's eldest brother was the first one to come to America, and he worked a couple of jobs and brought each sibling over one by one.

[296] It was 15 of them.

[297] Wow.

[298] What a sweetheart.

[299] Yeah, so he started it.

[300] And obviously, when another sibling was able to come over, they were able to join forces.

[301] He had enough for a baseball team.

[302] Yeah, I had to make enough.

[303] And they just really, really just started from the bottom.

[304] where I think that I started from the bottom, it was a totally different bottom.

[305] Bottoms are all relative.

[306] You know, we all think that we start from some sad story.

[307] There's always a sadder story out there.

[308] But this one has a happy ending, and the whole family was able to come over.

[309] And this is really, really the land of opportunity.

[310] And I love this country for that.

[311] Were you, I'm going to speak for Monica.

[312] So Monica's parents are from India, wasn't trying to get kids over to the house to see how Indian they were.

[313] Did you have any shame about the Haitianness of your house?

[314] I didn't.

[315] In Florida, there's a lot of Haitians, but there was, like, a battle between Haitians and Jamaicans where I'm from.

[316] So on every Haitian flag day, I knew that I was going to be in some sort of fight.

[317] Oh, whoa.

[318] Not a fight that I started.

[319] I knew I was going to be in it.

[320] With some Jamaicans.

[321] With some Jamaicans.

[322] It was the weirdest thing in the world.

[323] So it was a cultural area, diverse, it sounds like.

[324] Very, very diverse.

[325] Would the Jamaicans say Haitians be Haitians be Haitian?

[326] Because I just thought of that.

[327] That would be good.

[328] Haitians be Haitians be Haitians be.

[329] I don't know.

[330] There's something there.

[331] There's a good pun there.

[332] Haitians be hating?

[333] I don't know.

[334] But just Haitians be Haitian.

[335] That's great.

[336] Because there's nothing really offensive about that.

[337] That's just the truth.

[338] That's the truth.

[339] Yeah, but I grew up in a very, very Haitian household.

[340] So all of my meals, I spoke Creole in my house.

[341] When I was a kid, I only spoke French.

[342] I didn't speak any English.

[343] I lost the French, kept the Creole, and then learned to speak English.

[344] Do you ever sing?

[345] I'm in Creel.

[346] I haven't before.

[347] Why not?

[348] Yeah, you should put you that.

[349] My favorite thing is when artists incorporate whatever their thing is.

[350] Like, T .I. He's bringing in these words that he clearly was saying in Atlanta.

[351] Yeah.

[352] I fucking love.

[353] Even Anderson Packy's pronouncing words in a weird way.

[354] Yeah, no, you're totally right.

[355] I definitely should.

[356] Do you want Rob to drop a beat?

[357] Rob, can you hook it up, please, one time.

[358] Put some compa off from you.

[359] Did you have siblings growing up?

[360] Yeah, one brother, one sister.

[361] Older or younger?

[362] Both older.

[363] Both older, so you're the baby of the family.

[364] Oh, baby.

[365] Yeah, man. I tried to follow my brother around everywhere that he went.

[366] It would make him upset.

[367] Same.

[368] How much older is your brother?

[369] Five years older.

[370] Same.

[371] That's a tough gap for us.

[372] It is a tough gap.

[373] Big, big physical difference.

[374] But you got a sister in the middle there.

[375] Oh, no, she was the eldest actually.

[376] Oh, oh.

[377] That's worse.

[378] Yeah.

[379] She was the parent.

[380] Yeah, no tolerance, these older sisters.

[381] Nah, for real, for real.

[382] Yeah, and we grew up in a very small house where all three shared one bedroom until my sister was really fed up one day and she made the makeshift bedroom for her in the living room loft kind of thing then she had her own space with this wooden door that wasn't a door at all but it was very humble i never thought to myself are we broke i think my parents did a very good job of giving us a good enough life where we didn't know that we were broke but we actually were we had some nights where my brother and i we created this thing we would call it sleep water.

[383] And all it was was water and sugar.

[384] And when we were really, really hungry and we couldn't fall asleep, we would have this water and sugar so that it could ease our stomach and we could fall asleep.

[385] You've been training for this intermittent fasting thing.

[386] Exactly.

[387] Yeah, I definitely was.

[388] Muscle memory.

[389] You get interested in music really, really young.

[390] Yeah, you write your first song at eight.

[391] You go to school in a gifted and talented program, like an arts school maybe.

[392] Yeah.

[393] How do we begin our interests and how do we express that?

[394] How do we get put into that trajectory.

[395] I saw Michael Jackson for the first time, and I was like, wow, this is what I want to do.

[396] I told my mom, and she was like, yeah, yeah, baby, I know.

[397] Everyone wants to be Michael Jackson, baby.

[398] Welcome to planet Earth.

[399] Literally.

[400] I just became obsessed and would just watch his videos and try to do his dance moves and sing the songs, but every single day for hours and hours and hours and hours.

[401] Until finally, my mother realized that I was different.

[402] This wasn't like a normal kind of obsession.

[403] And then that's when she, She put me into this summer camp that had music in it, and I was like, oh, this is a lot of fun.

[404] She talked to the teacher and was like, how is he doing?

[405] And the teacher was like, he has a gift.

[406] He seems like he has something special.

[407] And then she's like, what do I do?

[408] And he's like, why don't you put him in like a performing art school?

[409] And that's what she did.

[410] So I became this arts kid and fell in love with classical music, fell in love with jazz, fell in love with musical theater.

[411] And that started a whole new life.

[412] So are you so grateful that you got put in that pipeline?

[413] as opposed to going to like traditional high school where other things would have been valued.

[414] There are other musicians that are successful that don't know how to read music or sing classical music, but I think it's amazing to know.

[415] I think it's amazing to have information.

[416] And I think I have a lot more information musically than the average artist.

[417] Right.

[418] I just have so much from different genres, from genres that are way older than we are.

[419] I think knowledge is power.

[420] Whether it shows up within the music, I don't know.

[421] But I enjoy knowing.

[422] that I can whip out of opera at any time.

[423] That's a good party trip.

[424] I'd like to see that.

[425] Rob, drop a violin.

[426] Drop some strings.

[427] But also just being in an environment where to be good at that is valued.

[428] When you did theater in my high school in Detroit, it wasn't a good look.

[429] No one was thriving that was in the theater program.

[430] But I also think it depends on how good you are.

[431] Anyone loves an amazing talent.

[432] Well, that's true.

[433] Yeah, yeah.

[434] So if you're in theater and you're just like in there, and you're just sitting in with the pack.

[435] I mean, you're not going to get patted on the back.

[436] But I think that's with everything, right?

[437] No, auto shop, you do fine.

[438] All you got to do is smoke cigarettes right on the break.

[439] You don't have to actually be able to install anything.

[440] I was going to say, and I got to take that back because even if you're fitting in with the pack as an athlete, you're still good.

[441] Yeah, people leave you alone.

[442] Yeah, yeah, yeah, truth.

[443] So what happened out of high school?

[444] You start writing music for a lot of people, but I want to know how you get from the performing out of school to that.

[445] Yeah, it was weird, man. So right after high school, I got my first writing placement, and I was like, oh, this is cool.

[446] Like, I can make money writing songs for people.

[447] How on earth did you figure that out?

[448] Miami is kind of like a bucket of crabs.

[449] You know, everybody's trying to pull each other down to try to get up the ladder.

[450] To work with a producer, it was tough.

[451] So I had to be like, oh, I'm a songwriter.

[452] Pose as a songwriter, and then I'll be allowed in these sessions.

[453] Oddly enough, I just started to get in these sessions and different producers were working with me because I was saying I was a songwriter.

[454] When I was just saying I was an artist, I mean, we don't really want to work with this no -name guy, right?

[455] We want to make songs for the people that are out.

[456] I have to imagine the, quote, artists outnumber the songwriters by 100 to 1.

[457] As far as people who are pursuing that.

[458] Definitely.

[459] So I was able to get in these rooms.

[460] My intention was to just take these songs that I was writing in these rooms and then just put it on a demo and then get a deal somehow.

[461] Yeah, yeah.

[462] But then, like, they started to get placed.

[463] That just started, like, a whole new journey.

[464] And is the money good?

[465] No. It's literally nothing.

[466] Okay.

[467] Because I was working with people that were taking advantage.

[468] You know, I was a young songwriter.

[469] So I won't mention who those people are.

[470] That's how it worked.

[471] People are still around today.

[472] Yeah.

[473] I would never do a young writer or producer like that because I know how it feels.

[474] Yeah.

[475] I would never do that.

[476] But in essence, it's called paying your dues.

[477] But later on, I was able to get Just Due.

[478] But anyway, my mom put a kibosh on the whole thing and was like, you got to go to college.

[479] I'm like, wait, what?

[480] I'm like, Mom, I don't need college.

[481] I'm writing these songs.

[482] I'm going to be a big artist.

[483] My mom was like, no, you got to go to college.

[484] At least give me two years.

[485] And I was like, all right.

[486] I'll give you two years.

[487] So I go to this musical theater conservatory in New York.

[488] It was a lot of work, man. It was really, really tough.

[489] Was it in the city?

[490] It was.

[491] 70th and Broadway, called Amda.

[492] That's like a reputable one.

[493] Yeah, for sure, for sure.

[494] You like that one?

[495] I know about it.

[496] American music and dramatic arts.

[497] Yeah, Academy.

[498] Academy.

[499] Okay, you know what you know.

[500] Well, I did my research, I know.

[501] So I went there.

[502] I was still writing songs for people.

[503] Were you lonely?

[504] you left Miami, you knew everyone.

[505] Now you're in New York by yourself.

[506] It's a big scary city.

[507] You're probably living in a very shitty situation.

[508] I went there scared.

[509] I'm moving out of my mom's house.

[510] This is crazy.

[511] Yeah, who's going to cook for me?

[512] Yeah, exactly.

[513] Because I didn't learn how to do any of those things myself.

[514] I was too busy trying to write songs all the damn time to learn how to actually live a life.

[515] So I get there.

[516] I don't have very much money.

[517] I had as many romans as you could possibly have.

[518] And then I figured out that there's a fruit stand that I can get a for a quarter.

[519] So I started eating hell of bananas.

[520] So nobody told me that it makes you constipated.

[521] Oh, yeah.

[522] But then you're saving on toilet paper.

[523] I did.

[524] That's right.

[525] Medical costs for when you think you have like appendicitis.

[526] So don't go on a banana diet.

[527] Yeah.

[528] I had great years there.

[529] I learned another level of hard work being there trying to write songs and do school.

[530] At any moment during that experience, Were you thinking, maybe I'll do musical theater?

[531] Maybe I'll try to be on Broadway.

[532] I did.

[533] I used to go on auditions.

[534] It was part of the curriculum.

[535] Oh, to be auditioning and trying to be working.

[536] Yeah, to audition.

[537] But I went crazy with it and I just enjoyed it so much.

[538] And it became like an obsession to me because I kept getting nose.

[539] Yeah.

[540] And I was just like, damn.

[541] Like, I would get a callback.

[542] And then it would be like, just bring you up to bring you down.

[543] Yeah, callbacks almost worse.

[544] Yeah, it is.

[545] You think it's a chance.

[546] Especially if you get two callbacks.

[547] Yeah.

[548] Like, this might be the one, guys.

[549] You start letting hope in, which is dangerous.

[550] Oh, my God.

[551] The mind just goes like, okay, I'll call back.

[552] I'm going to get this.

[553] Once I'm in that, then I'm going to have an agent.

[554] You build an entire life on this one moment in time.

[555] For sure.

[556] So I was going on these auditions until I actually booked a role on Broadway, Brent, Benny.

[557] No kidding.

[558] What years is?

[559] 2007.

[560] Wait, you've already won Showtime at the Apollo.

[561] Same time period.

[562] Okay.

[563] Things are happening.

[564] Really quick.

[565] Like, have you ever watched that show?

[566] Uh -uh, no. Okay.

[567] You never saw Showtime at Apollo?

[568] No. It's incredible.

[569] You know, when you tank there, if you eat shit, they let it rip.

[570] Yep.

[571] They boo you off the stage.

[572] It is the highest stakes performance of your life.

[573] Yeah, there's no show like it.

[574] I mean, they applaud people that boo.

[575] Yes.

[576] I went on that show.

[577] I won the show.

[578] Won the finale.

[579] Wow.

[580] I thought that was going to be my big break.

[581] But again, it was a callback.

[582] Right.

[583] Yeah, yeah.

[584] But I was still writing songs.

[585] That entire time period is one that I'll never forget, because I always felt like I was on the brink of something.

[586] It just kept tearing me down.

[587] So many doors shut in my face.

[588] When I finally got somebody to tell me yes, then I declined it.

[589] You turned down rent.

[590] Yeah.

[591] If I do this, I'm going to be a Broadway performer for the rest of my life.

[592] And though that is cool, I don't think that's my path.

[593] I want to sing the songs that I write.

[594] I want to do original material.

[595] And that is not that world.

[596] And I knew if I did that, I would have been a successful that.

[597] I would have just stayed there.

[598] I got the yes.

[599] It's like what you need to feel.

[600] like, okay, I can keep doing it.

[601] Some validation that you're on the right track.

[602] Massochistic.

[603] Yeah.

[604] So you turn that down and then how do you end up, you get signed by J .R. Rodham?

[605] He's huge right?

[606] I didn't know.

[607] I saw a picture of him and I was like, well, this is not who I was expecting.

[608] Yeah.

[609] He's a South African dude.

[610] Yeah.

[611] They saw me on MySpace.

[612] Okay.

[613] Now we're talking.

[614] New media.

[615] Yes.

[616] So they wanted to sign me as a songwriter publishing deal and I fly to Los Angeles.

[617] I meet with him.

[618] And in the first session that we have, do six songs that evening that you had brought with you no that we created no kidding and then we were like oh this is a great connection and he was like you should be an artist oh and i was like i am that's what i've been fucking waiting for that's what i've been saying so he signed me as an artist as well so he discovered sean kingston and sean kingston was his big artist like cling to him yeah at that time but he had produced songs for everybody and their mom but that's really what i was there for us to kind of write for sean oh Oh, okay.

[619] And my first song, what you say was a song that I actually wrote for Sean Kingston.

[620] And it ended up being my song because his label turned that song down.

[621] They turned it down.

[622] And this is your first single.

[623] It sells five million copies immediately.

[624] It's number one on Billboard, top 100?

[625] Mm -hmm.

[626] First song out.

[627] That's unbelievable.

[628] Equivalent to being struck by lightning seven times.

[629] Yeah.

[630] What did it feel like?

[631] Were you like it feels like what I thought it would feel like?

[632] No. The worry.

[633] said in how are you going to match that yes how do i not become a one -hit wonder because that's what is on people's mind when you fresh out the gate especially that time yeah i feel like it was happening in the zeit guys it was a single world all of a sudden exactly ringtone it was a ringtone world like napster time very similar time now but way crazier it's way more one -haired wonders now than ever i think oh really because of ticot yeah because of social media i mean you can get a song going and then make a hit by mistake.

[634] Look at Gangnam style.

[635] Do you remember how absolutely ubiquitous and never -ending that song was?

[636] Oh, my God.

[637] I mean, until this day, if you play that song, people are going nuts.

[638] Yeah, the biggest songs in the history of...

[639] Yeah, I heard he's worth like $3 billion.

[640] No. I'm just going to explain.

[641] Oh, my God.

[642] Good for him.

[643] No, I actually did hear that he's worth a crazy mod, though.

[644] Oh, really?

[645] Yeah, yeah.

[646] Because, I mean, he's massive in other areas.

[647] In Asia.

[648] Yeah, yeah.

[649] He's from Korea, I think, maybe, and he was going to school here for music, and he wrote that song?

[650] Oh, really?

[651] I think that's the story.

[652] I hope he doesn't sue me. Apparently has enough money for a really good legal team to come after me. Okay, so that happens and understandably you get a little panicked.

[653] Yeah, I was like, I got to put my head down and figure out what the next song is.

[654] But at that point, I walked into the office to the Warner Brothers with Whatchisei and Rodin solo.

[655] I hadn't written in my head yet.

[656] So in my head became my second song that we wrote while Whatchase was still on the rise.

[657] Okay.

[658] This happens in racing, right, where dudes that are great second place drivers, they're used to following someone for much of their career.

[659] And then when they finally get the right car, it's a different skill leading the race, not following anyone.

[660] So it's like wanting, wanting is one thing you know well.

[661] Holding on to something you have is completely foreign to you.

[662] Definitely.

[663] Right?

[664] And it just creates all this fear of like, well, now I have something to lose.

[665] Before I had nothing to lose.

[666] All I had was this dream to.

[667] Maybe accomplished, but now I have something that can go away.

[668] That's what's so tricky about success is like, is it ever even fucking pleasant?

[669] Because the second you get it, your brain switches immediately and when am I going to lose this?

[670] This is the two -month spiral I've been in, which is like, well, certainly in six years of this, they're going to take this away.

[671] When does the shoe drop?

[672] Yeah, go into survival mode.

[673] But I think it's just trying to push the envelope forward and better yourself and try to get to the next level that keeps you successful.

[674] So in your book, sing your name out loud, 15 rules for living your dream.

[675] What one did we learn the hardest so far?

[676] This would be, I guess, 2009.

[677] The majority of them have been learned.

[678] What hasn't been learned is the power of your circle and knowing who your team is.

[679] So everything up to that point was pretty much just me rolling up my sleeves.

[680] I mean, you can't do it all by yourself.

[681] Right.

[682] You're a one -man show.

[683] First of all, why do you need more people?

[684] And then how do you get comfortable trusting other people?

[685] So I was lucky because I was born into my hive because the rule is called Respect the Hive and it's basically talking about the people that are around you and how you pull from their energy and they pull from yours and you should be able to learn and grow from everybody in your circle.

[686] But especially having gone to college, I was away from my family.

[687] I was away from everything that I was used to.

[688] So at this point, it was just me, me, me, me, me. It wasn't until I got back to Miami from college that me and my cousins and my brothers, who have always been the closest people to me in the world.

[689] We got back together and it clicked up and figured out how to get a studio ourselves and make songs and then go and pass out demos and go to strip clubs and try to have a DJ play my songs.

[690] Yeah.

[691] But it was a group effort, you know, and they were maxing out each other's credit cards and like trying to make it look like we were something that we were not.

[692] But like it was the four of us.

[693] I don't think I would be where I am today without them because they were the backbone.

[694] They were the guys that were in my corner.

[695] Well, they believed in you, clearly.

[696] That's incredibly powerful.

[697] And then back to, like, yeah, the success, I think in retrospect, you realize, oh, no, that's the best part.

[698] The best part is that shit right there.

[699] Yeah, the journey.

[700] I mean, it's so cliche, but it's so true.

[701] When you end up looking back, it's like, well, my funest times were at the groundlings, performing with a bunch of other broke comedians and praying people came to the show.

[702] That was actually the most fun, fun.

[703] Isn't that crazy, though?

[704] It's the absolute.

[705] truth.

[706] My favorite times are the times I can remember where it's the grind, staying up until three in the morning, writing a song that I didn't think had any potential at all.

[707] You know, when I heard the writing solo beat, I was like, ah, this is kind of trash.

[708] And my friend, it was like three, four in the morning.

[709] He was like, ah, let's write one more.

[710] And then we went through the beats and I found the beat that I hated the least.

[711] And it was this beat that I didn't think was great, but it wasn't terrible.

[712] And I wrote a song that people, like, really, really love and come to me all the time and say that's helped them through a hard time.

[713] But this was just a random night being the broke kid from Miami, Florida with my broke friend, teenagers just in my mom's basement.

[714] I love that, though.

[715] This doesn't have to be perfect.

[716] I just have to push through and do something.

[717] 100%.

[718] Stutz.

[719] Yeah.

[720] You'll never do anything perfect.

[721] You'll never do anything flawless.

[722] Yeah.

[723] He's got to march forward for sure.

[724] Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare.

[725] We've all been there.

[726] Turning to the internet to self -diagnose our inexplicable pains, debilitating body aches, sudden fevers, and strange rashes.

[727] Though our minds tend to spiral to worst -case scenarios, it's usually nothing, but for an unlucky few, these unsuspecting symptoms can start the clock ticking on a terrifying medical mystery.

[728] Like the unexplainable death of a retired firefighter, whose body was found at home by his son, except it looked like he had been cremated, or the time when an entire town started jumping from buildings and seeing tigers on their ceilings.

[729] Hey listeners, it's Mr. Ballin here, and I'm here to tell you about my podcast.

[730] It's called Mr. Ballin's Medical Mysteries.

[731] Each terrifying true story will be sure to keep you up at night.

[732] Follow Mr. Ballin's Medical Mysteries wherever you get your podcasts.

[733] Prime members can listen early and and ad -free on Amazon Music.

[734] What's up, guys?

[735] It's your girl Kiki, and my podcast is back with a new season, and let me tell you, it's too good.

[736] And I'm diving into the brains of entertainment's best and brightest, okay?

[737] Every episode, I bring on a friend and have a real conversation.

[738] And I don't mean just friends.

[739] I mean the likes of Amy Polar, Kell Mitchell, Vivica Fox.

[740] The list goes on.

[741] So follow, watch, and listen to Baby.

[742] This is Kiki Palmer on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcast.

[743] Did you have any betrayals?

[744] Oh, betrayals.

[745] Yes.

[746] Great question.

[747] Jimmy Fox.

[748] Give us a name.

[749] No, no, no. So there was a production team out of Miami.

[750] They put a lot of time and energy into me, and I put a lot of time and energy into them.

[751] They were some people that started off with the same situation.

[752] Like, let me write songs for you.

[753] And then they kind of wanted to sign me as an artist.

[754] That just never panned out.

[755] They were just never the best option.

[756] That was okay to me. At the end of the day, I have to do what's the way.

[757] best for myself.

[758] And if you don't have the best option for my career, I'm not just going to shoot myself in the foot just because we're friends.

[759] You know, it just doesn't make any sense.

[760] And the deal that they were offering wasn't great either.

[761] So later on, when I'm writing my first album, I write a song that is reminiscent of one of the songs that I did with that team.

[762] I write a million songs.

[763] Literally, I write songs every single day of my life.

[764] Unknowingly, did the same damn melody.

[765] Uh -huh.

[766] The album comes out and instead of calling me and being like, yo, you used the melody from blah, blah, blah.

[767] They sued me. And it just like hit me to the core.

[768] I was just like, bruh, if I had known, I would 100 % have given you the credit.

[769] You also didn't have to sue me. If you would have hit me, I would have been like, oh, yeah, I owe my boys some money.

[770] I'm never going to intentionally try to scam somebody.

[771] It's just not in my nature, especially someone that I think is a good guy, somebody that was from my childhood.

[772] So that was a moment that I felt like somebody kind of stuck a knife in my back.

[773] Yeah.

[774] I think when people feel left behind, the worst version of themselves comes out as well.

[775] Yeah, I can understand.

[776] I was sued by like one of my best friends for a very similar thing.

[777] Really?

[778] Yeah, yeah.

[779] A lot of people we have in here have stories like that.

[780] And I find it interesting because it is sad if you put yourself from the other person.

[781] She's like, who wants to be the person that is suing one of their friends?

[782] Yeah.

[783] You know, it's not great.

[784] I bet would you have rather been sued by your best friend or tried to sue your best friend?

[785] I'd choose the former.

[786] Same.

[787] It's all about what you're going to live with.

[788] All right.

[789] So you release your second album, Future History.

[790] You're supposed to go on tour.

[791] And right before tour starts, you break your back.

[792] And I almost can't believe that this could be true.

[793] You break your back because you're trying to do 50 back flips in a row.

[794] Yeah.

[795] No. Oh, my God.

[796] I don't know if 50 is the number.

[797] But we were training just for stamina Before the tour started You wanted to be on your game And be able to put on a good show This was what the coach was Okay You had a stamina coach No, he was a tumbling coach Okay Gymnist, you know, psycho guy Uh -huh They live to be hurt, Jimenez Yeah, but I never tried to sue the guy or anything I think his heart was in the right place But his brain was somewhere else Okay, so really quick Had you already known how to do a backflip Or did he teach you?

[798] Okay, when did you start doing backflip?

[799] is the most impressive physical feat of a human can do.

[800] It's a backtuck even.

[801] Yes, backtuck.

[802] No hands.

[803] I used to be able to do one too.

[804] Well, you're very impressive.

[805] I've applauded you many times.

[806] Two -time state champion.

[807] Oh, really?

[808] He had cheerleading.

[809] High Flyer.

[810] Oh, sick.

[811] I could see that for sure.

[812] Well, you know.

[813] The small.

[814] Yeah.

[815] He used to throw around.

[816] Okay, so how long had you been doing backflips?

[817] I only had been doing the backtuck for about a year.

[818] I was constantly trying to learn new moves, constantly trying to learn new acrobatics that part of my life is over the intention for doing it on stage yes i was literally taking on a new move like every month doing more and more and more building the repertoire yeah okay so you're on let's say 38 out of 50 year we don't know what the number is but you've done a tremendous amount of them yes and what happens i'm going through them and i'm knocking them out of the park i'm doing the best that i've ever done he's like let's do it on the hard floor you know because i want you to feel like what it's going to be like on stage after 38 of oh yeah let's finish no let's start there and finish on the pad yeah when we're tired or into the pit you know anywhere in the pool so i feel myself slip i bail and you're never supposed to bail yeah for the lay person that's not a tumbler like monica what is bailing would be like you go up you start that rotation you go oh fuck and then when you try to turn to your side or something you panic and you kind of just stop and you like try to catch yourself as opposed to like just committing to the mistake you think you can stop it before the point of no return exactly but you're already past the point and once your feet leave you're past the point yeah you just have to go yeah we can't change our mind at this point so mid -air you're like fuck and then you just drop like a rock onto your back and then I land on my head so I actually broke my C2 vertebrae so considered more your neck oh wait wait okay so then I'm confused I thought you did both those things I No, no, no. Oh, okay.

[819] Just the C2 vertebrae, which is higher up.

[820] Yes.

[821] Yeah.

[822] So that's the hangman's break.

[823] So it's the same bone you break when you get hung.

[824] Oh, yeah, paralysis.

[825] Yeah, or worse.

[826] Did you hear a pop?

[827] I did.

[828] I thought, oh, fuck, oh, fucking fuck.

[829] And then I was like, okay, I can move my eyes.

[830] I can move my fingers.

[831] Good.

[832] I can move my toes.

[833] All right.

[834] And then laid there for about five, six minutes.

[835] And my mom is outside.

[836] she's in the parking lot, and I'm thinking to myself, what the fuck am I going to tell my mom?

[837] So that was my concern.

[838] I didn't even know what was going on, but I still didn't think that I broke my neck.

[839] You know what I'm saying?

[840] You thought you just hurt yourself.

[841] Yeah, I thought I hurt myself really bad.

[842] Did this Navy SEAL coach of yours want you to get up and you got to rip one right away?

[843] Get on the horse.

[844] He's like, Jason.

[845] Slat me on the ass and said, walk it off.

[846] Walk it.

[847] No, I'm just playing.

[848] I'm just playing.

[849] I'm just playing.

[850] Oh, he should be sued.

[851] No, so you never.

[852] supposed to get up when you have a neck injury.

[853] So I got up and I'm holding my head and I get to the car and I'm like, Mom, I think I hurt my neck a little bit.

[854] We should probably just go to the hospital, just make sure.

[855] You're trying not to scare her.

[856] But I'm in excruciating pain.

[857] It's like hurting like a motherfucker.

[858] Yeah.

[859] So every single bump seemed like hell on earth.

[860] And then when I get to the hospital, they sit me in the waiting room.

[861] But you're never supposed to sit someone with a neck injury in the waiting room.

[862] That's something that I learned.

[863] Okay.

[864] Error number two.

[865] Anyway, so finally get to the doctor and we take the x -rays and he's like this serious you broke your c2 you're going to be out for almost a year oh my god i was like what kind of recovery is this that's one 18th of my life you know what i'm saying like that i had to cancel my tour it was like my biggest tour at that time 11 cities was it only 11 that's what it says but no you're probably right all kinds of crap no you're probably right though i mean i thought you broke your back twice so that to show how reliable I am as a source.

[866] But, yeah, I had just got off the road with Lady Gaga, but this was like my headlining this.

[867] You were headlining this.

[868] My own thing.

[869] What a bummer.

[870] In Europe, was it?

[871] Yeah, it was a European tour.

[872] It was a European tour.

[873] So did you have to wear like a...

[874] You did you have a really sexy neck brace?

[875] Yes.

[876] I ended up getting a sexy neck brace later.

[877] Bedazzled or anything?

[878] Yeah, yeah.

[879] Yeah, I had this design to make this crazy neck brace that had black diamond things that weren't diamond, the cubic siconium.

[880] I'm shocked that didn't take off as a style, like a bunch of kids in the dance floor with like bedazzled neck braces.

[881] That could have really taken off.

[882] That could have been something.

[883] It could have.

[884] Yeah, because the Kendrick Lamar face covering.

[885] But we all had to wear the face covering.

[886] So that's what I made sis.

[887] Yeah.

[888] But now it's something different, no. That's not COVID related at this point.

[889] Oh, it wasn't?

[890] Well, it was then.

[891] I think not at the Super Bowl.

[892] Really?

[893] No, I think that was his style.

[894] I don't know.

[895] I'd have to get his phone number and then call him.

[896] If you picked up, I could ask him.

[897] Were you so demoralized?

[898] Yeah, I can't believe that shit happened to me, honestly.

[899] Because nobody breaks their neck, right?

[900] That's not a thing.

[901] And also, you get a taste of something, you're like, oh, this is going to happen.

[902] Of course not.

[903] No, now I'm not going to be able to perform for a year.

[904] Kind of like Kanye in that car accident.

[905] Yeah.

[906] That was the same time, too, like right when things were happening for him, not even done with the album.

[907] Yeah, true.

[908] He's got his jaw wired shut.

[909] He's probably thinking, I can't do this.

[910] You know, it builds a different kind of character, and it builds a totally different monster inside you when you can't do something.

[911] long because at that moment in my life is when I was the most focused.

[912] When the world shuts off, so to speak, in my life is when I make the biggest gains.

[913] So I wasn't able to take a shower myself.

[914] I wasn't able to tie my own shoes.

[915] I wasn't able to dress myself.

[916] I wasn't able to do anything myself.

[917] But what I did have was focused time and energy.

[918] At that time is when I wrote my Talk Dirty album, which ended up having five multi -platinum singles on it and ended up being one of the more successful albums of all time because of the focused energy and the routine so in the book i talk about the power of routine i woke up at the same time i ate at the same time i worked on my craft at the same time for the same amount of time every single day and through that power of that routine is the magic that happened on that album wow what is the hardest part of your routine to keep i love a routine too but going to bed on time is my achilles it happened two nights ago i'm like It was a Jake Paul documentary.

[919] Yeah.

[920] When people hate this kid, let me see what's going on with this kid.

[921] And then it's 1 .30 in the morning.

[922] Oh, fuck, I was supposed to be up at 7 .30.

[923] I struggle with falling asleep one time as well.

[924] But I wouldn't say that's, like, my hardest one.

[925] The hardest part of my routine is probably diet.

[926] That's very relatable.

[927] Yeah.

[928] Yeah, man, because that's one of the joys of life.

[929] Food is, like, top three.

[930] I think it's also compounded by culturally for you.

[931] I think that first generation, they're still like, they miss the food from home.

[932] home.

[933] They're cooking the food from home a lot.

[934] I think it has a bigger significance too.

[935] It does.

[936] Because that's like the last thing of your culture that you can still enjoy here in this other place.

[937] Yeah.

[938] And you get used to eating with the people that you love and care about and it becomes the place in the time where you bond with the people you care about most.

[939] Totally.

[940] So what's interesting, and I agree with you.

[941] So I, for much of my career was a writer.

[942] And so I had all these routines when I had a script to, I would go to this hotel and I do everything the same and weirdly eating is a big part of it for me because I can't ever get full if I get full I can't really work I'm not really sharp and the longer I would delay when I could eat the better the more productive I'd be for me it's like you're exerting control on all these little things so that you feel confident to control the creative thing you're trying to control which you don't have much control over exactly I got chills because it's so crazy that some people have very similar kind of isms Especially, you know, really successful people.

[943] Because before a show, the longer I've held out before eating, the better that I feel.

[944] I cannot go on stage with a full stomach, no matter what.

[945] Yeah, you would suck, right?

[946] Yeah.

[947] I feel like I'm sharper.

[948] I feel like I'm better.

[949] Yeah.

[950] Another thing I have to do is I have to give myself permission to do shitty work.

[951] I'm writing from this time in the morning till this time in the afternoon, period.

[952] You're allowed to write something shitty.

[953] You just have to keep those fingers moving.

[954] And then I think just giving myself permission to suck, inevitably I don't suck.

[955] Something good will come out of it.

[956] Something of the day, and I'll rewrite the next day.

[957] But I can get kind of overcome with this desire for it to be great.

[958] 100%.

[959] Yes, I do give myself permission to be shitty.

[960] There's a lot of songs where I felt came out amazing when I felt like I wasn't at my best.

[961] And I used to have a rule when I was younger.

[962] If I'm too tired, I'm just going to call it a night until I wrote fucking smash hits when I was tired.

[963] And then after that, I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[964] You're tired?

[965] You got to keep writing.

[966] You did some of the biggest and greatest shit you've done while you were tired.

[967] So now it's become a part of my lifestyle.

[968] Me being tired is not an excuse anymore.

[969] I have to do a specific amount of time.

[970] And once I've done the proper amount of time, then I'm like, okay, we've accomplished the day.

[971] Because I think a lot of writing, when you reach a certain point, it's a numbers game.

[972] So everything that you do is not going to be the best that you've done.

[973] But the more that you do, the more chances that you have of writing something amazing.

[974] Yeah, you're just up at bat the entire time.

[975] Eventually you're going to fucking hit a ball.

[976] He's got to take a trillion pitches.

[977] Exactly.

[978] Can we actually talk about stamina for a second?

[979] Because we moved past it because he broke your neck.

[980] But the point of him making you do 50 tucks...

[981] Go ahead and say it.

[982] I went to Taylor last night.

[983] It's three and a half hours.

[984] What is it, 45 songs or something?

[985] 47 songs, I think.

[986] And she is moving the whole time.

[987] And has like 12 outfit changes?

[988] Yes.

[989] And I know she is singing, but if she was mouthing the whole concert, it's still phenomenal.

[990] I can't believe it.

[991] How are people doing this?

[992] Let me tell you something about this girl.

[993] Taylor is a freak of nature.

[994] She is amazing.

[995] And in a lot of ways, as big as she is, she's still underrated.

[996] When people are talking about talent and work ethic, I watched Taylor do a performance.

[997] It wasn't three and a half hours.

[998] But it was still really long.

[999] Taylor's show's always been.

[1000] long.

[1001] This had to be maybe like four years ago, like before the pandemic.

[1002] So I watched her do the show.

[1003] And then after the show, she's like, hey, you want to come to the meeting greet?

[1004] I'm like, not really, but I'll come.

[1005] So I go to the meeting greet and the meeting greet is so dope.

[1006] It's basically like a room that she set up as like a party room.

[1007] She'll go from table to table to table.

[1008] I just couldn't believe how much time and energy that she put into this meeting greet after she did that entire show.

[1009] It was just, like, so much.

[1010] And it was inspiring to me. And I was just like, I got to shut the fuck up and do these meet and greets, you know?

[1011] Because I would, like, limit my meet and grease because, like, I'm got to make sure I'm good for my shows.

[1012] So I had good reason.

[1013] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1014] But look what the fuck Taylor is doing.

[1015] She humbled me quick.

[1016] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1017] Watching someone work their ass off is very humbling.

[1018] And she's so giving and she deserves everything that has come to her.

[1019] Because now I think she's, like, the biggest, grossing, touring artists of all time.

[1020] Yeah, you can say she has three billion.

[1021] unlike the other person you joke.

[1022] It's so dope and it couldn't have happened to a sweeter human being.

[1023] I think it's the genre to theorize on why she's underrated because I agree with you.

[1024] They're not looking at her like prints or something, right?

[1025] Yeah.

[1026] But I think somehow it's the genre.

[1027] Writing off that she has a young female audience, I think there's like some light misogyny happening.

[1028] Yeah, I mean, do you talk about the songwriting?

[1029] The songwriting is amazing.

[1030] She puts on a fantastic show She invests in her show.

[1031] It's like a real spectacle.

[1032] It's so thought out.

[1033] She is a marketing genius.

[1034] I mean, true genius.

[1035] The secrets that are placed within the songs for the people who know the thing and the community gets together.

[1036] I think it's unbelievable.

[1037] Yeah, I remember one time she was like, let's try something.

[1038] I'm like, what?

[1039] She's like, let me post one of your songs and let's see what happens.

[1040] Like, oh, yeah, let's see.

[1041] Sure.

[1042] She posts one of my songs, And instantly that thing started to just climb up on iTunes.

[1043] I was like, Teller, this is crazy.

[1044] It was just kind of like, this is my favorite song right now.

[1045] It's all it takes.

[1046] It's like Oprah's Book Club back in the day.

[1047] She said that was a good book, boy.

[1048] That thing.

[1049] That's for sure.

[1050] Good luck finding it the next day on the shelf.

[1051] Okay, so since 2009, you've sold 250 million singles worldwide.

[1052] 11 platinum singles.

[1053] 19 platinum singles, but nobody's coming.

[1054] Oh, no, we're a weak account.

[1055] We have to count.

[1056] 19 platinum singles.

[1057] But within that, they're still up and down, right?

[1058] I'd like to hear your advice on that because no matter whose career you're looking at that you think is one way, if you really go...

[1059] We just had Ethan Hawken.

[1060] He'd made this great documentary about Joanne Woodward and Paul Newman.

[1061] He's like, Paul Newman tried his hardest sometimes on movies and they fucking were complete failures, right?

[1062] They were critically and commercially.

[1063] You don't even think about that because you just think of all the hits.

[1064] Everyone's ride is up and down and up and down.

[1065] And I think it's so much more valuable to know what to do when it's down than when it's up.

[1066] There's stats in the NBA.

[1067] There is a list of the top 10 most missers of all time.

[1068] And amongst the top five of the most missers of all time.

[1069] Oh, can I guess this?

[1070] Jordan's on there.

[1071] Yes.

[1072] But who else?

[1073] LeBron.

[1074] Yeah?

[1075] Isn't that wild?

[1076] If you look at the top five of the most misses of all times, each and every one.

[1077] of them are amongst the greatest scores of all time.

[1078] So the more shots you take, the more shots that you have the potential of making.

[1079] So I apply that same thing within my life and within my career.

[1080] Nobody remembers the misses.

[1081] That's so powerful.

[1082] It's like far more miss than made.

[1083] Yeah.

[1084] And I just love that stats so much because I love when sports can relate to life.

[1085] Yes.

[1086] There's a similar one in football, and I don't know shit about football.

[1087] Rob might correct me, but all the biggest scoring quarterbacks also lead the league generally in interceptions thrown.

[1088] Really?

[1089] Yeah, they're related.

[1090] They're throwing big, crazy passes all the time.

[1091] I believe that.

[1092] A lot of them, they're scoring, and a lot of them get intercepted.

[1093] You've got to take the risks.

[1094] The more you put yourself out there, the more opportunities that you have to succeed.

[1095] The problem is we all always get really hung up on what if I fail, what if I miss, that we end up hindering ourselves from ever starting in the first place.

[1096] And it's the starting and stuff, just putting it out there, especially in 2023.

[1097] I mean, there's just so much.

[1098] opportunity now.

[1099] You can just release shit to the world at a drop of a dime and not have to pay a million dollars for something.

[1100] There's all kinds of people that are thriving these days.

[1101] The pages like with a bee lady that is just saving the bees, you know, has like 30 million followers or like someone who's cleaning the sewers and showing us what it's like to work a sewers is now getting all of these huge brand deals.

[1102] You can be anybody on the planet.

[1103] You just have to take that swing time and time again, wake up in the morning, get your routine down, and the world is your oyster.

[1104] And that's why I wrote this book, because there's way too many people out there that are abandoning their dreams for grad school or doing what the norm is and what their parents might have told them, or the teacher might have told them, and not following their passion or not putting themselves out there enough.

[1105] And I think it's important for you to follow your passion and do what you think is going to make your life the happiest, because at the end of the day, money will follow, success will follow, but the joy is in the journey.

[1106] The building the shit is the fun part.

[1107] Tree forts, they're a blast to build.

[1108] You never hang out in them.

[1109] When it gets built, you're pumped for a day and then no one ever goes to the thing again.

[1110] Yeah, man. Fail.

[1111] I would imagine your career, my career, Monica's career.

[1112] There's these momentum shifts, like sometimes velocities, high.

[1113] It's 2009.

[1114] Your fucking five million downloads.

[1115] And then the momentum slows down.

[1116] When you're feeling that momentum slow down, how do you reinvigorate it?

[1117] how do you change the direction of that momentum?

[1118] I'm constantly thinking of new shit.

[1119] I'm never just staying within the beaten path.

[1120] I'm always thinking, what can I do different?

[1121] How can I change?

[1122] How can I morph?

[1123] How can I become a new Jason Drullo this year and like come out different?

[1124] Whether it's what my body looks like, whether it's like a new strategy, whether it's putting my energy into socials, whether it's putting my energy into trying to figure out like a new marketing plan, whether it's trying to figure out what my new look is, what my new fashion is.

[1125] How am I going to shock the world this month?

[1126] What am I going to do that's going to shock the world now?

[1127] A lot of what we do today is shock value.

[1128] I mean, let's be completely honest.

[1129] Well, cutting through the noise.

[1130] There's just so much noise.

[1131] You just got to keep shaking shit up.

[1132] Now, I can't imagine you would have seen this coming, but right after you leave Warner Brothers records, you do savage love, and it becomes this insane viral sensation on TikTok.

[1133] And then the song peaks at number one in the UK, It's remixed by BTS.

[1134] That goes on to be number one on Billboard.

[1135] Am I getting all this right?

[1136] Yep.

[1137] I'm fucked up if you guys.

[1138] I'm waiting for you to correct me. But ultimately, this thing is enormous.

[1139] You're the 15th most followed person on TikTok.

[1140] Even for you knowing you're throwing a lot of things at the wall, that's got to be one of those moments again where you're like, well, okay, I didn't see that one coming.

[1141] That's pretty wild.

[1142] So it was the pandemic.

[1143] And it was a kind of down period in my life as well because I had just got to out of this deal with Warner Brothers, which I thought was going to be a happy moment because I sold 200 -something million records across the world, right?

[1144] I thought every label was going to be jumping for joy to try to get me. Yeah.

[1145] I went on to the marketplace and people were like, oh, it's too expensive.

[1146] Oh, we don't know.

[1147] I was like, what?

[1148] Yeah.

[1149] Talk about shock to ego, shot to everything that you could possibly imagine.

[1150] I'm like, what do you mean?

[1151] Like how?

[1152] So I'm like, cool.

[1153] I'm going to figure this shit out myself, proving people wrong.

[1154] That's a few.

[1155] to me. When I get shit on, I always give some new sort of energy that it's just work, work, work, work.

[1156] So I made it my business to put my energy into both music and writing songs, but also figuring social media out.

[1157] Because my whole career, that was my downfall.

[1158] I had all these hit records.

[1159] People couldn't put my face to the songs.

[1160] It was the weirdest thing in the world.

[1161] Christopher Cross.

[1162] Everyone knows sailing.

[1163] No one knows what he looks like.

[1164] Yeah.

[1165] So it was a weird place that I was in.

[1166] So I was like, I'm going to utilize this time to figure this out.

[1167] I looked at what the top people were doing in different areas, come up with a plan that worked for me, that I was going to post six times a day, no matter if there was shit content or it was a great content, to figure out what the fuck people wanted.

[1168] Why is it not connecting?

[1169] Like, what do you want for me?

[1170] It was through that experimentation that I was able to learn what made people tick.

[1171] After a period of time, I could know what a video was going to do and how many views it was going because I started seeing the pattern and I started to see what got people going.

[1172] What does get people going?

[1173] I'm the worst at social media.

[1174] It's embarrassing.

[1175] You have to think about yourself as a scroller.

[1176] So if you think about yourself as the fan, you can instantly know what makes you scroll.

[1177] Titties.

[1178] Maybe you shouldn't think about you.

[1179] That makes you stop scrolling.

[1180] Scrolling is a bad thing.

[1181] You don't want people to scroll.

[1182] So Titties is going to make you stop.

[1183] So that's a good thing.

[1184] I just wanted to say Titties.

[1185] So sometimes it's literally just popping on the screen, a big -ass face.

[1186] It's like, damn, what the fuck?

[1187] Who's this?

[1188] What the fuck are you going to say to me?

[1189] That's going to stop me in my tracks because I'm scrolling from video to video to video.

[1190] It's going to take a lot for me to stop.

[1191] So what you have to do is offer me something.

[1192] In this first two seconds, I need to know what the fuck you're going to offer me in this video so that I know exactly what I'm getting.

[1193] Because as a scroller, we're very selfish.

[1194] We want to get something from a video.

[1195] Are we going to learn something?

[1196] Are we going to be entertained?

[1197] Am I going to laugh?

[1198] Am I going to cry?

[1199] Am I going to want to fall in love?

[1200] Tell me in this first second, because that's all you got, what I'm going to get out of this video.

[1201] That is probably 55 % of social media.

[1202] It's getting people to stop scrolling.

[1203] I'm not good at that.

[1204] Me either.

[1205] No, you're getting really good.

[1206] Well, no, Liz is good.

[1207] Liz is good.

[1208] If you collaborate, it's pretty catchy.

[1209] Collaboration is amazing.

[1210] The more you can get other people's fans to come.

[1211] Well, that's one of your rules.

[1212] Collaborate, period.

[1213] choose people you can teach and learn from.

[1214] Yeah.

[1215] How do you curate that group?

[1216] What I did was I brought all of the same ideals that I did with music and I brought it to business and then my businesses started to flourish.

[1217] You know, because I had failed companies.

[1218] I had a vodka that failed.

[1219] I had a clothing line that failed.

[1220] And then when I started to utilize these ideals from the book that I learned from music, I utilized it in business.

[1221] Amazing.

[1222] Then I utilized it in social media.

[1223] Social media started to thrive as well.

[1224] So all the same shit just works everywhere.

[1225] The same thing from music.

[1226] And intro to a song, like, you got to keep me. I get so mad sometimes.

[1227] Some of my favorite artists, too.

[1228] They get this, like, 15 -second, quote, comedy sketch at the beginning of this great song.

[1229] And I'm like, give me the great, I'll go to fucking Will Ferrell if I want some comedy.

[1230] Give me that good song.

[1231] Sometimes they get a little frustrated.

[1232] Yeah, same.

[1233] Same.

[1234] It's important.

[1235] Do you ever get frustrated?

[1236] I'm like, who's doing that?

[1237] Oh, there's a lot of it.

[1238] What?

[1239] Yeah.

[1240] The better they are, the more empowered they feel to start doing it.

[1241] and some comedy bits.

[1242] Oh, my God.

[1243] You ever notice this is like a status dynamic?

[1244] Have you ever watched, like, whoever has the highest status in any group?

[1245] It could be the CEO of a company or something.

[1246] All of a sudden, they think they're 27 % funnier.

[1247] Because people are going to laugh way easier.

[1248] Well, by the way, because people will laugh at that.

[1249] Yes, it's misleading.

[1250] It's not their fault.

[1251] Damn, I really thought I was funny.

[1252] Yeah, me too.

[1253] Everyone, we all suffer from it.

[1254] Yeah, no. People will laugh.

[1255] People will laugh at you guys.

[1256] I worked for years for General Motors, the car company, and I go to these dinners, the person that was eighth level, which is really high up.

[1257] They'd tell these stories, and they were fucking sleepers.

[1258] And people would be laughing and stare at him.

[1259] I'm like, this guy thinks he's Jim Carrey.

[1260] How could he not?

[1261] Not his fault.

[1262] It's other people's fault for laughing.

[1263] He wouldn't feel so empowered to tell all fucking groups if he was laughing.

[1264] You're all feeding into the problem.

[1265] I have two little fun, quick questions for you.

[1266] Or maybe you won't find them fun or quick.

[1267] I love the meters, the Isley brothers.

[1268] And you played Ron Isley.

[1269] Yeah.

[1270] I just learned this today.

[1271] The fact that I've not seen this movie Spending Gold, I'm furious at myself.

[1272] It's a really cool film that kind of takes you into what the mob life was like in the music industry.

[1273] It's interesting to see how the mob bosses, so to speak, were controlling the whole situation.

[1274] Even the Isley brothers.

[1275] Yeah, for sure.

[1276] Where were they at?

[1277] Motown, it follows the life of Bogart, who was like the puppeteer that just found these amazing artists that became some of the biggest artists in the world.

[1278] Okay, second thing, my fucking 10 -year -old just auditioned yesterday for cats.

[1279] Really?

[1280] Oh, wow.

[1281] Yeah, yeah.

[1282] Did you know I was going to go there, rum tub tugger?

[1283] I didn't.

[1284] I didn't expect that.

[1285] So my life now is hearing cats all day.

[1286] Oh, my God.

[1287] You're going to be in their house all day.

[1288] Wow.

[1289] I have a hunch that movie's going to be on a couple thousand times before the performance.

[1290] Oh, my God.

[1291] Ironically, it was on the day before yesterday at my house.

[1292] It was just randomly on HBO.

[1293] So we were, like, watching as a family.

[1294] It's crazy.

[1295] That's just cool to be a part of something like that.

[1296] Yeah, for sure.

[1297] I mean, it was just so many incredible performers.

[1298] Edress Albault, to Judy Denge, to Ian McKellen.

[1299] The greatest.

[1300] Did you feel embraced by all them?

[1301] Yeah.

[1302] Make you rethink your deserting of Broadway when you could have.

[1303] Some happy people.

[1304] My wife's a musical theater person, and I meet all of her friends from They are all happy as happy.

[1305] I might be the happiest group of people.

[1306] And they're so fucking supportive to one another.

[1307] It's crazy.

[1308] All just like incredible people, just very, very supportive and wanting to make sure that you feel comfortable.

[1309] Because, I mean, it could be intimidating being in those kinds of rooms.

[1310] Idris Alba?

[1311] Yeah.

[1312] He's a beast.

[1313] Definitely.

[1314] How tall we think he is.

[1315] 6 .3, 6 .4.

[1316] Oh, I'm going to wrestle him if we were ready.

[1317] Oh, God.

[1318] I'd wrestle him.

[1319] Six three.

[1320] But I'm wiry My last question is You do the voice Australia And so how long will you be down in Australia Is it film in Sydney?

[1321] Yeah, so three months And Sydney's one of my favorite places In the world To be in there for a chunk of the year It's pretty incredible I've always thought about Buying a house in Australia Bond Beach Is that the spine?

[1322] Bondi You've already been down there Yeah, we already shot it So we just have to do the finale That lifestyle for you That works Oh yeah To me It offered a change of pace because I tour a lot.

[1323] I don't spend very much time at home, home.

[1324] So to have like a home in Australia for like a stand of time was awesome.

[1325] It also allowed me to make a lot of music.

[1326] I was going to say you can't get too distracted down there.

[1327] A, you've got this incredible time zone issue.

[1328] So you can't ever really get on the phone with anyone, right?

[1329] It's like you got a call at 5 a .m. when they're going to bed or whatever.

[1330] There is nothing else for you to do other than that show.

[1331] Trust me, I thought about fitting some shows in it.

[1332] I was just like, ah, it's not really worth it.

[1333] Yeah.

[1334] I'll stay.

[1335] I really did enjoy it.

[1336] It was really good breath of fresh air.

[1337] And there's room and opportunity for more seasons down there?

[1338] I'm into it.

[1339] So I think I would do it again.

[1340] Okay, great.

[1341] Well, listen, it's been a delight meeting you.

[1342] I hope everybody checks out, sing your name out loud, 15 rules for living your dream.

[1343] I think you have been someone who's constantly reinvented and reimagined and executed on a million different trajectories.

[1344] And it's impressive.

[1345] So I imagine it would be very inspirational.

[1346] people.

[1347] Thank you, man. Thank you so much.

[1348] And that little boy yours, boy, that's a cute little guy.

[1349] Thank you.

[1350] Thank you.

[1351] I got a comment on your grass till your grass is amazing.

[1352] Thank you.

[1353] And it also inspired me because I didn't think real grass could look that good in Los Angeles.

[1354] It's a polarizing topic, as you know.

[1355] There will be people that are mad that I have real grass.

[1356] Really?

[1357] Yeah, but it fucking rained for six months this year.

[1358] I ain't too worried about the grass right now.

[1359] Oh, shit.

[1360] Yeah, people get mad if you don't have fake grass here.

[1361] Really?

[1362] Well, because we're in drought a lot.

[1363] get it, but we're not in there.

[1364] That's a lot of fucking land to have fake grass.

[1365] I know, I know.

[1366] It's too hot to walk on because then I'd be like, oh, gray, I have this yard.

[1367] I can't fucking walk on it.

[1368] The dogs can't go on.

[1369] The kids come up.

[1370] But do you know how expensive it is per square foot?

[1371] I had it at the old house and you can walk on it.

[1372] I have to hose it down to walk on it.

[1373] Then what?

[1374] Then I'm using water to cool the damn grass off.

[1375] Where do you live currently?

[1376] A Tarzana.

[1377] Oh, you do?

[1378] Okay.

[1379] Yeah, grass is hard out there.

[1380] It is.

[1381] I've been kind of going back and forth.

[1382] I'm doing a lot of renovation as well on my place.

[1383] Yeah, you can get some special.

[1384] space out there in Tarzan.

[1385] Yeah, a ton.

[1386] All right.

[1387] Well, I wish you a ton of luck.

[1388] And it's been a delight.

[1389] Thanks for coming.

[1390] Yeah, thanks so much for coming in.

[1391] I appreciate you guys.

[1392] Thanks for having me. This was amazing.

[1393] Stay tuned for more armchair expert.

[1394] If you dare.

[1395] Next off is the fact check.

[1396] I don't even care about facts.

[1397] I just want to get in their pants.

[1398] Okay, welcome to the fact check.

[1399] Welcome to the fact check.

[1400] Why, do you want to say it again?

[1401] Thanks to everybody who went to Ted Seeger's in order.

[1402] Ted Seegers, all these people have been receiving their Ted Seegers and taking pictures and making videos and then sipping it for the first time.

[1403] And then we've been getting like the best, like it's just generating the funniest content.

[1404] Like they should be writing for us.

[1405] Like one was like, can't wait to drink 18 of these and drive up to chilies.

[1406] Need to drink a bunch of these and go on a motorcycle ride.

[1407] Someone said this is delicious garage beer.

[1408] And I was like, ooh.

[1409] Aaron and I were both like, ooh, great.

[1410] garage beer.

[1411] That sounds pretty great.

[1412] It does sound nice.

[1413] I get what that means.

[1414] It's like sitting in your driveway or garage.

[1415] Yeah, go out to your garage fridge.

[1416] That's nice.

[1417] Well, good.

[1418] So is it still sold out?

[1419] Oh, thank you.

[1420] So yes, it is sold out.

[1421] Now people are going and it's sold out, but we have initiated a new batch.

[1422] We should be completely restocked and ready to receive orders in a few weeks.

[1423] So I will keep everyone posted.

[1424] Great.

[1425] Okay, this is for Jason Derulo.

[1426] There was an Easter egg in the Kristen fact check.

[1427] Jiggle, jiggle.

[1428] Yeah, that's right.

[1429] There's a misfire.

[1430] Wiggle, wiggle.

[1431] Yeah.

[1432] Speaking of...

[1433] Uh -huh.

[1434] Kristen's been sending me all these videos of the kids when they were little.

[1435] I mean, especially Delta.

[1436] I know, but even like...

[1437] Even just little Lincoln in there in the back.

[1438] And she sent me one that was so funny of Lincoln getting so annoyed with her.

[1439] We're not handing over the thing to me. Yes, the watch.

[1440] Give it to Daddy.

[1441] That's Daddy's watch now.

[1442] Delta.

[1443] Like it's like so exasperated.

[1444] Like a sibling dynamic is just instant.

[1445] It is.

[1446] It doesn't take any time to develop.

[1447] I kind of saw.

[1448] Lincoln in a new light when I was watching these because there's well the first video Kristen sent me was of them I mean Delta was probably three and Lincoln probably five maybe younger yeah and they're like doing ballet in the house and Lincoln's doing hers and then Delta's like watch this and just like trying to and they're both in tutus they are they lived in those Remember?

[1449] Tights and tutus.

[1450] And Delta's hair is so fucked up.

[1451] It looks like her head just came out of a fucking dryer clothed drawer.

[1452] Static.

[1453] The back's all sticking up straight.

[1454] Yeah.

[1455] And she's like, watch this.

[1456] And watch this Lincoln and like trying to get her attention.

[1457] And Lincoln is ignoring her.

[1458] And Lincoln is ignoring her.

[1459] And it's really sad.

[1460] Like, Duncan, like so sad.

[1461] And then.

[1462] she turned.

[1463] Yeah, that's what the threat of all these videos is.

[1464] And I said it last night.

[1465] We were watching a bunch in bed and I said, you've always had a short fuse.

[1466] Yeah.

[1467] Well, she tried the nice way.

[1468] She did.

[1469] And then she started stomping around.

[1470] And it's funny because I'm in that video.

[1471] I'm on the, like, toilet.

[1472] Yes.

[1473] And I obviously was feeling really protective of...

[1474] Let's just be clear.

[1475] You're sitting on the...

[1476] a toilet with your clothes on.

[1477] Yeah, yeah.

[1478] I wouldn't want people like that.

[1479] You're taking a shit during this video or something.

[1480] Closed toilet.

[1481] I'm sitting on it on my phone with like a paper.

[1482] So I must be working or something.

[1483] And, but I'm not paying attention to them.

[1484] But I'm obviously listening because when...

[1485] As soon as you hear Delta's feelings hurt.

[1486] Yes.

[1487] As soon as it gets like sad, I jump in and say, Lincoln, we always watch you do your ballet.

[1488] So, you know, it wouldn't feel very good if we ignored you.

[1489] Yeah.

[1490] And then she, like, watches it and it's a mess and whatever.

[1491] And but when I first watched it, I was like, oh, my God, I'm like.

[1492] Assertive?

[1493] Hard on her.

[1494] Mm -hmm.

[1495] And which I don't remember being, but now it kind of makes sense because she was always so mature.

[1496] Lincoln, yeah.

[1497] Yes.

[1498] Yes.

[1499] It's been a problem of mine with her.

[1500] Yeah.

[1501] When she'll make these very age -appropriate mistakes, I'm like confused.

[1502] Exactly.

[1503] And it feels like, well, why are you doing that?

[1504] Because you know better.

[1505] And she doesn't know better.

[1506] She's four or five or whatever.

[1507] Yeah.

[1508] Yeah.

[1509] So I was like, oh, man. Also, you've always just had a bond and an affinity for Delta.

[1510] And she's the low status person in the household.

[1511] So you've always been very protective of her.

[1512] Yes, exactly.

[1513] And I was there to watch her.

[1514] So it was a different dynamic.

[1515] But still, I do think I would have been more.

[1516] understanding.

[1517] Although, I mean, I will say Kristen in the video is also like, Lincoln, she's asking nicely.

[1518] But anyway, it's just funny to go back.

[1519] Well, really quick, let's finish how that one ends because I think it's so hysterical.

[1520] So Lincoln looks at her like for one second and then she goes, I'm going to be a teacher one day and I'll teach her how to do this.

[1521] And Delta immediately, it's, Delta is now misleading in the opposite direction because you think she's a dumb dumb.

[1522] Like she can barely talked, but she picked up on that burn so quickly and she immediately goes, I'll be a teacher.

[1523] I'm going to be a teacher and I'm going to show everyone I'm a teacher.

[1524] I wouldn't have even thought she understood what that meant in that moment.

[1525] She was so advanced.

[1526] There's another video of her talking about the moisture on her baby doll and she can't really say there.

[1527] She's saying moista but she's saying moisture.

[1528] It's like how does she know that work.

[1529] The other great one is you're playing Elsa or Anna.

[1530] I don't know which one gets frozen.

[1531] Yes.

[1532] Oh my God.

[1533] And Delta's playing opposite, the one that's unfrozen.

[1534] She has to give you a true love kiss to unfreeze you in the anticipation and the amount of time she like goes in and then almost kisses you and doesn't.

[1535] Oh, is it funny.

[1536] It's so funny.

[1537] Oh, my God.

[1538] But then, so there's a video she sent of Lincoln doing.

[1539] ballet again at the actual ballet recital or something and she's doing it and she's taking it really seriously and there's also 20 kids waiting their turn to do their little prance across the floor yes and she's she's taking it really seriously and she does it perfect and then Delta like pops our head in the camera and it's like I want to do that but only this part and then she like runs out there and And does the, like, absolute most ridiculous.

[1540] She looks like when a pony is born and they start walking all fucked up, like the first hundred steps, that's what she's trying to skip.

[1541] And it's the craziest leg movement.

[1542] It's crazy.

[1543] But it's bad, you know.

[1544] But adorable.

[1545] But it's so cute.

[1546] And everyone is laughing and cheering.

[1547] And I was like, I'm Lincoln.

[1548] Like I could really connect with her.

[1549] Oh my God.

[1550] She just did that perfectly.

[1551] She'd been paying attention.

[1552] She was probably practicing.

[1553] And then Delta just runs out.

[1554] Does this ridiculous...

[1555] Chris Farley.

[1556] She looks like Chris Farley, for sure, in an S &L sketch.

[1557] She does a sketch.

[1558] And then everyone's like, yes, like so happy.

[1559] And I don't think she was in that class.

[1560] She just like...

[1561] She'd come with them.

[1562] Because everyone had to go.

[1563] Yeah, yes.

[1564] But she wasn't in the ballet class.

[1565] No, she just made herself the center of attention.

[1566] But I really felt.

[1567] For Lincoln.

[1568] I really felt bad for her.

[1569] And you can see her in part of the end of the video.

[1570] And it's really sweet because she's laughing too.

[1571] And like she decides that it's okay.

[1572] Yeah.

[1573] She's very sweet.

[1574] She's had to deal with that a lot.

[1575] I know.

[1576] The baby director video people would watch and it was so funny.

[1577] I know.

[1578] Yeah.

[1579] And there's another video.

[1580] of us singing oopsies I farted and Delta and I and you and Kristen are behind the camera you don't see Lincoln but she's there and we're like singing it and Delta goes only Monica and me and I don't even know I didn't know who she was talking to but at the end of the at the end of the video Lincoln's just like right there and she was saying it to her is so mean did you see the video of her playing the guitar singing her song yeah when you guys were playing guitar I each other.

[1581] Oh, not that.

[1582] Oh.

[1583] That was great.

[1584] No, this one's just Delta playing the guitar on the couch, and this is her song.

[1585] I love my mommy and not daddy or Lincoln.

[1586] Oh, no. She's stringing, ring, ring, ring, ring.

[1587] I love mommy and not daddy or Lincoln.

[1588] Oh, my God.

[1589] Wow.

[1590] She's just always been so strong -willed.

[1591] That's what I was really observing.

[1592] And so charismatic just from day one.

[1593] I mean, it's, that's a hard, that's hard.

[1594] To have that as a little sister.

[1595] Yes.

[1596] Totally.

[1597] And you know, especially now, Lincoln has like accepted, embraced, supported, still feels like she's got her own lane.

[1598] Like, it's been really lovely.

[1599] I think it's almost even helped accelerate her learning that she's not going to have all the attention that there'll be some kind she gets for this and other people are going to, like in a weird way I think it's advanced her a little bit.

[1600] Yeah, for sure, for sure.

[1601] Because I think I had a hard time sharing the spotlight when I was younger, you know, like I wanted the white, I was Delta.

[1602] Yeah, so that's different.

[1603] So she probably is going to have a harder time.

[1604] Right.

[1605] And my brother's always, been like always proud.

[1606] Yeah, that's nice.

[1607] Yeah.

[1608] That's really nice.

[1609] But he was also five years older.

[1610] When you're less than two years old, I think that's much harder.

[1611] I mean, they'll be in junior high at the same time together.

[1612] I'm sure Delta will be making off a real entrance, you know?

[1613] Yeah, it's really admirable.

[1614] As much as, you know, I watched those videos to gawk at how cute Delta is, but kind of my takeaway was like, wow.

[1615] Lincoln was up against a lot.

[1616] Just if it makes you feel better.

[1617] I have those moments too.

[1618] Like I'll be watching some of those videos and I'll hear the things I was concerned about at the time and I'll just think, you didn't need, you know, like you could have had more faith in.

[1619] Yeah, but it's hard.

[1620] I mean, you don't know.

[1621] When you're in it.

[1622] First time, you know, it's everyone's first time dealing with these people.

[1623] Yeah.

[1624] Hmm.

[1625] I want to watch them right.

[1626] I'm going to see if Kristen will send me the guitar one.

[1627] Hey Will you send me the one with Delta Playing the guitar I love Mommy and not Lincoln and Daddy Of course We were just watching videos like that We just started it What ones were you watching We just watched When you and Lincoln were playing the guitar And I was like Let me do my first car reel When you're in the couch You're in the background Acting like a chimpanzee I'll send it to you All right thanks Yeah, she just learned how to do her first car wheel really badly.

[1628] Oh, it's not even, it's like calling a cartwheels, like calling a bicycle a pickup truck.

[1629] But it's also, it's like part two because in one of the other videos, she was, she was also trying to.

[1630] No, she was like, I can't do it.

[1631] Oh, you're right.

[1632] She was defeated.

[1633] She got defeated.

[1634] I'm never going to do it.

[1635] Oh, my God.

[1636] I also look so young in these.

[1637] I know.

[1638] It's crazy.

[1639] It is crazy because I don't think you've, I don't think you've looked any older than when I met you, but then I look at those and I'm like, oh yeah, you're like a little girl.

[1640] I know.

[1641] I've really aged.

[1642] No, it's just, no, I have.

[1643] I have.

[1644] Anyway, well, it was just, it's so fun.

[1645] And it's, when she was sending me all of them, I was, I was so overwhelmed by how much I, like, couldn't stop watching and want.

[1646] And want to go back in time and play with her.

[1647] Yes, so nostalgic.

[1648] Me too.

[1649] It's interesting in the place I'm in where I don't have kids.

[1650] Uh -huh.

[1651] But to have all these like maternal feelings.

[1652] Right.

[1653] It's weird.

[1654] I bet.

[1655] Yeah.

[1656] Okay.

[1657] Anything new from the week?

[1658] Anything good?

[1659] Before I jump into facts.

[1660] And I'm going to a baseball game tonight with Nate.

[1661] Oh, that's.

[1662] Very excited.

[1663] Dodgers?

[1664] L .A. Dodgers versus, who knows, I'll find...

[1665] Milwaukee Brewers.

[1666] Oh, the Milwaukee Brewers.

[1667] Ding, ding, ding.

[1668] Why?

[1669] Brewers.

[1670] Oh, because you're, because Ted Seeger's?

[1671] Yeah, they're beer brewers, and I'm a beer brewer.

[1672] Maybe I'll be rooting for the brewers.

[1673] No. How can I not?

[1674] My brother in arms?

[1675] The brewers?

[1676] No, they're your competition.

[1677] What if it was, though, the Philadelphia podcasters?

[1678] Yeah, they're my competition, so I can't root for that.

[1679] I would have, I'd feel like a kinship.

[1680] Brewers are good.

[1681] Those two first place teams playing each other.

[1682] Oh, really?

[1683] Oh, my gosh.

[1684] Wow, that'll be fun.

[1685] I'll pay attention to very little.

[1686] Are you going to have a hot dog?

[1687] I told you what always happens is every, not every time, damn near every time I've gone to the Dodgers.

[1688] I sit in these really great seats that my agency owns.

[1689] They're awesome.

[1690] I go mostly because it's free food in there, the dugout club.

[1691] Unlimited hot dogs.

[1692] Oh, that's great.

[1693] Jason Bateman has season tickets, and there may be.

[1694] like three rows behind where the dugout club is.

[1695] So he can, anytime I've gone to the game, he can see that I'm there.

[1696] Oh.

[1697] And I'm not a baseball fan.

[1698] I love the experience of watching the game.

[1699] Me too.

[1700] In person, it's so fun, but I don't follow it.

[1701] So I always leave in the eighth inning.

[1702] I'm to beat the traffic, right?

[1703] Yeah, yeah.

[1704] And every time, I will have not seen him, and then I'll look at my phone when I get in the car and it'll be from Bateman.

[1705] Couldn't hang in there, huh, bud?

[1706] Oh, that's funny.

[1707] Burning me, then I'm a shitty fan.

[1708] The traffic of that stadium is especially shitty though.

[1709] Oh, yeah.

[1710] It's comical.

[1711] Yeah, even when the White Sox play one time a year, yeah, you'll still leave early.

[1712] If it's not a close game, I'm kidding out of there because it's an hour and a half otherwise.

[1713] Well, I think that'll be fun.

[1714] Ah, yeah, I'm really excited.

[1715] What other kinds of foods do they have like cakes and stuff?

[1716] Oh, money, money, money, money, money, money, money.

[1717] Oh, money, money, money, oh, I know something I'm not telling you.

[1718] But first, let me tell you what they have to eat there.

[1719] They have a full buffet bar inside.

[1720] That's nice.

[1721] They're like carving prime.

[1722] Rime rib.

[1723] Wow.

[1724] Salad bar.

[1725] Uh, maybe.

[1726] Lots of stations.

[1727] Always a pork offering, a chicken offering, a beef offering.

[1728] You know my mom loves a buffet.

[1729] I and a cafeteria.

[1730] Yeah.

[1731] Well, they're, loves.

[1732] They're cousins.

[1733] Loves?

[1734] Love.

[1735] We always do this.

[1736] Why?

[1737] I try to remember her favorite cafeteria.

[1738] Is it loves?

[1739] Oh, no. We do always do this.

[1740] This is on first.

[1741] Who's on first?

[1742] Also, uh, mazamo.

[1743] Picadilly.

[1744] Smiley, is it happy?

[1745] No, Marie Callender's.

[1746] Yeah, that's not a cafeteria.

[1747] Yes, I think.

[1748] No, Marie Calenders is not.

[1749] Oh, really?

[1750] I love Marie Caledars.

[1751] They've got a really great cheese soup.

[1752] Oh, my God.

[1753] And a great salad bar.

[1754] Marie Caledars, I miss you.

[1755] Breena used to like once every two months because we were broke.

[1756] That would be our big date.

[1757] We would go to Marie calendars and Marina Del Rey.

[1758] And we would fucking put.

[1759] Marina Del Rey calendar?

[1760] And we didn't get an entree.

[1761] We just got the salad bar and we ate a gallon of that cheese soup.

[1762] Oh, my God.

[1763] Yeah.

[1764] birthdays were there.

[1765] She would take me there for my birthday.

[1766] That's so cute.

[1767] We partied at the Marine Calendar.

[1768] Wow, I didn't know there was one here.

[1769] In Marina del Rey.

[1770] I hope it's open still, but I'm not sure that it is.

[1771] Big shout out.

[1772] Big, big shout out there's a bunch.

[1773] Oh, there are still.

[1774] I hope they're still serving that cheese soup.

[1775] It's cheese and potato soup.

[1776] Delicious.

[1777] I wonder if I'd still like it.

[1778] You shouldn't go back.

[1779] Like the fast food restaurant that'll remain nameless.

[1780] Okay, this is my obsession for the last few days.

[1781] Okay.

[1782] I discovered this on the internet.

[1783] First, my friend Ben Kosalki sent it to me, who's a DP who did Freebie.

[1784] He's a really wonderful, creative, I love him.

[1785] He sent it to me first, Instagram posts that Steven Segal put out an album in 2004.

[1786] Have you seen this on the internet?

[1787] And one of the songs, he has a full Jamaican accent.

[1788] And he's singing in Pigeon.

[1789] What?

[1790] Oh, yeah.

[1791] It's so Apex Steven Segal.

[1792] And I can't stop listening to this song.

[1793] And in the morning when I do my cold plunge, I listen to it.

[1794] It's preposterous.

[1795] Can I play it for you?

[1796] Listen for Punani.

[1797] Oh, my God.

[1798] It's so cringy.

[1799] You believe he did this.

[1800] Oh, my God.

[1801] What's his ethnicity?

[1802] Okay, great.

[1803] I'm glad you brought that up.

[1804] He has, in many movies, played Native American.

[1805] Okay.

[1806] Played Italian.

[1807] Okay.

[1808] He's Jamaican in this song.

[1809] Yeah.

[1810] He's Putin's pal.

[1811] He's Russian.

[1812] I mean, he is whatever he wants to be that morning.

[1813] He doesn't give a fight fuck what anyone has to say about it.

[1814] It's insane.

[1815] Oh, my.

[1816] Yeah, nationality says American, Russian, Serbian.

[1817] Okay, but playing Native American whenever he wants.

[1818] And he speaks with a generic, native, stereotypical Native American accent in these movies.

[1819] This is what he is saying.

[1820] Him want the punani.

[1821] And me know it nice When the girls start to strut You could look at her But you shouldn't do that Think about just that Because her clothes are just as pretty They're not just to cover her kitty Girl Girl what you really want all night Me want the buddy Make me feel nice Boy what you really want all night Me want the punani See for make nice Baby the way you walk is so hot Let's have a shot of rum.

[1822] Then I'll make you come with me to the ocean.

[1823] That would be fat.

[1824] P -H -A -T.

[1825] You can be my bow cat.

[1826] Nice ittle breeze.

[1827] Oh, my God.

[1828] Monica.

[1829] No. No, I don't.

[1830] Hold on.

[1831] You got to hear that passage I just read.

[1832] Ew, it's so gross.

[1833] With me to the ocean.

[1834] It was a nice pause there.

[1835] A lot of double untoptera happening.

[1836] Holy fuck.

[1837] Every morning when I come downstairs, I play the song and I strut inside the kitchen.

[1838] Yeah, to make the girls puke.

[1839] It is.

[1840] Disgusting.

[1841] I can't stop listening to it.

[1842] I send it to Nate.

[1843] He can't stop listening to it.

[1844] No, stop listening to it.

[1845] It's insane.

[1846] It's like watching the room.

[1847] What's the diff?

[1848] Well, this is bad.

[1849] This is appropriation.

[1850] Well, I didn't appropriate.

[1851] One Steven Segal did.

[1852] And a lot of times, and I've said it on here, I don't always agree with this claim of appropriation.

[1853] This is the most, I don't think I've ever seen a more blatant appropriation where I'm like, oh, yeah, that, now that's the definition right.

[1854] Yeah.

[1855] There needs, I don't know what needs to have.

[1856] You know what there needs to be is like an incredible documentary about him.

[1857] Yeah.

[1858] I would, I bet it would be fucking so good.

[1859] Because look at these phases.

[1860] I mean, just to go, he went to studios and he's like, so here's the thing.

[1861] I'm going to play a Native American.

[1862] I have the perfect accent.

[1863] I'm going to play it in this movie where I fight for my land.

[1864] My lion?

[1865] My land.

[1866] Also, if you heard my new song, Strut.

[1867] Oh.

[1868] We want to pull your nanny tonight.

[1869] Oh, God.

[1870] Okay.

[1871] He's like, also check out my new movie where I'm a fucking guido.

[1872] Hey.

[1873] a garage chop you Oh Yeah Apparently making a Russian documentary right now Oh he himself is About Russia's special military Military operation Well he fancies himself a special ops There's those photos of him hanging With the Russian special ops in special ops gear Update on my Bolognaise Sorry One last thing before we move on Sure You know he had a show where he was a cop Yes, we've talked about it a lot on here Okay, we're talking about it now What a lot of people don't know about me is I'm a sheriff in Louisiana, Paris, 13 I protect these streets And then I play blues guitar at night Downtown, New Orleans Ugh I hate this Oh, God Holy smokes what a guy Okay, okay, now we can move on Well, that's, you can see with my level of giddiness.

[1874] So that's taken for three days of my life.

[1875] Yeah.

[1876] Woof.

[1877] Did she send to Chris and send the video?

[1878] Oh.

[1879] Here we go.

[1880] Thanks for your patience and your patronage.

[1881] I don't really like that.

[1882] Why?

[1883] I just don't.

[1884] Oh, that was it.

[1885] Wait, okay.

[1886] Hold on.

[1887] Oh, no, she's back.

[1888] She's back.

[1889] Oh, my God.

[1890] She's running from Instom.

[1891] She's like a drum.

[1892] punk like those movies where the the country stars too drunk to go on stage and goes out anyways that's the song, I love my mommy so much and not Lincoln Daddy love so much Oh God What a girl Okay update on my bowl and A's Oh thank you That's another exciting thing that happened This isn't a two -way tie with strut Steven Segal.

[1893] Your Bolognese, which I had two nights ago, and over rice.

[1894] So it's, it's sandbagged, right?

[1895] It doesn't have a fair shot.

[1896] It was fucking delicious.

[1897] I mean, I thought I was at Chateau.

[1898] Like, you nailed Chateau Mormole.

[1899] Wow.

[1900] Well, that's an Alison Roman recipe if anyone wants to try it.

[1901] Good.

[1902] Oh, my God, is it delicious?

[1903] There was a lot of garlic in it, which is part of why it tasted so good.

[1904] And I was like, I was just willfully ignoring that for about half of it.

[1905] And then all of a sudden I was like, I'm going to pay the price for this.

[1906] And then I started pulling out chunks of garlic that I was, when I was being willful, I pretended those were onion.

[1907] But they were clearly garlic as I pulled the chunks aside.

[1908] And they're so good.

[1909] I love that chunk of garlic.

[1910] I know.

[1911] So I did have some flaky eyebrows later.

[1912] I'm sorry.

[1913] And some psoriasis on my penis and testicles.

[1914] Oh, my goodness.

[1915] Yeah, but that's going to pass.

[1916] That usually only lasts a couple days.

[1917] And worth it.

[1918] Rumbing the garlic on there.

[1919] I stirred it with my testicles.

[1920] That's where my psoriasis likes to show up.

[1921] It's so, I'm so grateful for it.

[1922] So nice.

[1923] That's really where you want psoriasis on your genitalia.

[1924] Yeah.

[1925] I guess it's just where your skin's thinnest.

[1926] Yeah.

[1927] Thin skin, I think that's what it goes for.

[1928] You don't get a. on your heels.

[1929] Let's just say that.

[1930] But I'd love it on my heels.

[1931] Surricisus gods.

[1932] That would hurt.

[1933] No, if I had to pick where my psoriasis was definitely on my heels, no one I'll ever see it.

[1934] But you have to walk.

[1935] But I can't feel shit on my heels, right?

[1936] Just a big pad of dead skin.

[1937] Okay.

[1938] Thick dermis.

[1939] Dermis.

[1940] Dermis.

[1941] Pachimus.

[1942] Pussy packadermis.

[1943] That's virtually what I have is my heels.

[1944] Okay.

[1945] So we talked about, because his parents, got married twice to each other.

[1946] Yeah, I love that.

[1947] Yeah, we like that story.

[1948] And seven celebrities who married the same person twice.

[1949] Oh, fun, fun, fun list.

[1950] I'm excited for this.

[1951] Okay, Marie Osmond.

[1952] Okay, Donnie Osmond?

[1953] Marie Osmond and pro basketball player, Steve Craig.

[1954] Oh, okay.

[1955] Three years of marriage and divorce.

[1956] Then she married somebody else and then back to...

[1957] Maybe Donnie Osmond's her child.

[1958] Or brother?

[1959] Or father.

[1960] Okay, number two, Elizabeth Taylor.

[1961] Oh, sure.

[1962] Richard Burton?

[1963] Richard Burton.

[1964] I only know that because I'm listening to the Mike Nichols book right now.

[1965] Oh, and they talk about it?

[1966] And Mike Nichols' first movie was Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, which was Burton.

[1967] I can't wait to see this movie.

[1968] I've got to remember to watch it.

[1969] Now I'm really interested in it because they were like the most mega movie stars ever.

[1970] They got paid all this money.

[1971] And this is his first feature.

[1972] That's like a, that's a big, dealing with older stars that have their way of doing things and trying to get something new and original is that's a Herculean feat.

[1973] And he was masterful at dealing with both of them.

[1974] And they're nuts.

[1975] Yeah.

[1976] Eminem.

[1977] No kidding.

[1978] Yep.

[1979] Kimberly Scott.

[1980] Okay.

[1981] So they were married?

[1982] They were married and then married again and then no longer married.

[1983] Okay.

[1984] So maybe a third time.

[1985] And that would be really fun.

[1986] It just got announced like yesterday he's getting divorced again.

[1987] From a different person.

[1988] From Kim, Kimberly Mathers.

[1989] Oh my God, two Kimberly?

[1990] Wait, no. It might be the same.

[1991] Well, this is Kimberly Scott.

[1992] But Mathers is his last name.

[1993] Oh, so as they ended, there's second marriage after a nasty fight in 2000.

[1994] No, they got married in 2006.

[1995] And three months later, they got divorced again.

[1996] Oh.

[1997] But maybe.

[1998] Maybe they got married.

[1999] Maybe it's three.

[2000] Thrice time.

[2001] It would be.

[2002] Old friend of the pod, Pam Ann.

[2003] She married someone twice?

[2004] Says married poker player Rick Solomon.

[2005] They got an annulment.

[2006] Okay.

[2007] And then they reignited their love and got married again.

[2008] When?

[2009] 2014.

[2010] Oh, okay.

[2011] And then divorced.

[2012] Okay.

[2013] Frida Calo.

[2014] Oh, Frida.

[2015] Frieda and Diego Rivera.

[2016] Don't cry for me, Argentina.

[2017] Right?

[2018] Well, no. No. Didn't she sing that song?

[2019] No, Frida Cowell is the painter with the unibra.

[2020] I know that, um, that, um, Salma Hayek played.

[2021] Yeah.

[2022] And in the movie, she sings, Don't cry for me, Argentina.

[2023] No, am I insane?

[2024] Don't cry for me, Argentina is Phantom of the Opera.

[2025] Don't cry for me, Argentina.

[2026] Let's see what the fuck was going on here.

[2027] Let's get this song by Madonna.

[2028] Ooh.

[2029] I think it's Phantom of the Opera, but maybe I'm wrong.

[2030] People sang that song at Salma Highers' Wedding.

[2031] Is that maybe what you're thinking of?

[2032] No, look at this.

[2033] Don't remember me. A song recorded by Julia who later included in 1978 musical.

[2034] Eva Perone.

[2035] Yeah.

[2036] There we go.

[2037] Yeah, that makes sense.

[2038] Did she play Eva?

[2039] Salma?

[2040] Yeah.

[2041] Eva Peron.

[2042] She produced, it looks like she produced a series that was about Eva Peron.

[2043] All right.

[2044] Well, I've conflated some things, apparently.

[2045] It would be really crazy if Frida Callow was the painter she is and also sang that song.

[2046] I know.

[2047] I know.

[2048] You're right.

[2049] You're right.

[2050] Okay, but Diego Rivera and her were married twice.

[2051] Elon Musk.

[2052] Elon Musk and Tallul O 'Reilly.

[2053] Still married?

[2054] Don't think so.

[2055] Okay.

[2056] Nope.

[2057] No. Natalie Wood and Robert Wagner.

[2058] Oh, really?

[2059] We watched a doc on that.

[2060] Yeah, she died suspiciously.

[2061] Yeah.

[2062] Out on a boat.

[2063] With Christopher Walken.

[2064] Was he there, too?

[2065] Oh, wow.

[2066] I didn't know that.

[2067] But, yeah, people are like, well, I think even her kid in the documentary was like she would have never gone on a boat.

[2068] She was terrified of water and from swim, yeah.

[2069] But also, yeah, it actually would make sense.

[2070] You will.

[2071] In Nashville, you'll go out on a boat.

[2072] Okay.

[2073] Yeah.

[2074] But I'll wear a life best.

[2075] Well, don't do that.

[2076] Yeah, I have to.

[2077] What if you see a cute boy?

[2078] They'll have to.

[2079] They have to love me for who I am.

[2080] They'll probably like you more.

[2081] A non -swimmer.

[2082] Someone who can't swim.

[2083] A non -swimmer.

[2084] You know that horrible story about that girl from Glee who died?

[2085] Swimming?

[2086] They found her son on a boat.

[2087] Like they had gone out on a boat.

[2088] Oh, yeah.

[2089] And then she, like, disappeared.

[2090] So upsetting.

[2091] Oof.

[2092] Oh.

[2093] Anyway, sometimes these fact checks get really good.

[2094] Well, we're in a pattern.

[2095] them getting dark.

[2096] It's a lot lately.

[2097] Yeah, which, you know, I'm not going to shy away from where they go, they go.

[2098] Yeah.

[2099] It's life.

[2100] How much is the Gangam style guy, Cy, worth, according to the honor.

[2101] I know, and I just got to say, I've looked myself up on these things and they're wildly.

[2102] It's all wrong.

[2103] Yeah, but let's take it.

[2104] But it says 60 million.

[2105] Okay, that's a nice nest egg.

[2106] Also, Taylor, how much is she worth?

[2107] again, we don't know.

[2108] But the ERA's tour is expected, it says it's expected to boost Swift's income by about $500 million.

[2109] Swift's net worth was $570 million in 2022.

[2110] So then it would be a billionaire.

[2111] Although she's got to pay taxes on that.

[2112] But we'll just call it a B for now.

[2113] But I feel like $500 million.

[2114] Is not enough for her?

[2115] Yeah.

[2116] For a year's work.

[2117] I just don't think it's accurate.

[2118] I feel like it's going to be more.

[2119] Well, the tour is going to be more.

[2120] going to make a billion dollars exactly already it but she's it's an expensive tour yeah and she got to pay a lot of people so in the venues take whatever they take but she'll probably walk from a billion tour with 500 million okay and then walk after taxes luckily she's in tennessee where there's no state income tax smart well done well i'm sure she's making more money too that's not just from touring correct and she's re -releasing all these albums and we're going to buy them i bought them already bought I actually today so this was a little bit tricksy she put out in 1989 as we talked about a couple of fact checks ago and I bought the record immediately pre -ordered it comes out in October yeah pre -ordered final then today there's a special edition one that's out for 48 hours to pre -order and like do I get that one too well now it's starting to feel a little cash grabby Like when people were triggered about our sweatshirts, you know, this is a little, if you just announced pre -order for the normal one and then everyone order it and then you go, though, there's anyone more special?

[2121] That's a little tricky, tricksy.

[2122] I can't decide if I want to come clean about something.

[2123] Oh, it's always good when you do.

[2124] You don't read comments, so let me tell you the response was resoundingly supportive of you.

[2125] No one was mad.

[2126] I know, which is really sweet, but I might ruin it right now.

[2127] Okay, let's see.

[2128] Let's test it.

[2129] You're like Roseanne Barr.

[2130] Do they really love me?

[2131] Let's see.

[2132] If I ruin the national anthem, will they still love me?

[2133] If I'm racist, will they still love me?

[2134] No. The reason I feel like I have to come clean is it's going to come out.

[2135] Like, it's going to come out, and so I might as well get ahead of it.

[2136] Okay.

[2137] Because one of the comments, I didn't read them, but somebody told me this, that one of the comments that they were laughing was, I'm a Swifty, no one would ever be mad at Monica for this unless she got.

[2138] The sweatshirt, there was a sweatshirt, okay, that I guess was limited.

[2139] It was like you could only.

[2140] Oh, fuck.

[2141] Well, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[2142] Hold on.

[2143] I am holding.

[2144] I'll be over here listening to Strut.

[2145] It's not.

[2146] It was that only, you could only get three.

[2147] Each individual person could only get three of those.

[2148] So they probably had a limited quantity of those.

[2149] Okay.

[2150] I did get that sweatshirt.

[2151] Okay.

[2152] Every single purse of the 70 ,000 could get three.

[2153] So they have a ton of a really.

[2154] I just don't know if anyone didn't end up getting one.

[2155] I don't know.

[2156] Okay.

[2157] But I will say the girls who got my merch, they didn't get that.

[2158] Because you got three of them.

[2159] No, I only got one.

[2160] I got one.

[2161] But I do feel like I have to come clean because she made that specific caveat.

[2162] And I was like, fuck, I did do that.

[2163] I got the t -shirt and the sweatshirt.

[2164] I got two pieces of March.

[2165] And the thing is, I have to come clean because I want to wear it.

[2166] Yeah, you're going to be seen in it.

[2167] Sure.

[2168] See and be seen.

[2169] So.

[2170] But everyone in line had the opportunity to buy that sweater, too?

[2171] Yeah, they could buy three.

[2172] Then who cares?

[2173] You're thinking that someone wanted four and couldn't because you got one.

[2174] No, no, they weren't allowed to.

[2175] Hey, we'd love to sell you four.

[2176] You know Monica Padman?

[2177] Have you ever heard the podcast synced three?

[2178] I mean, I just don't know if anyone at the end of the line didn't get.

[2179] Like, if they ran out.

[2180] I don't know.

[2181] I don't.

[2182] It was 95 of 6.

[2183] I think you're fine.

[2184] Yeah.

[2185] I don't know, but I just...

[2186] So much pressure.

[2187] I'm going to wear it and I, people are going to see it.

[2188] And I'm sorry.

[2189] Anyway.

[2190] Fact, 44 songs in her tour.

[2191] Basketball missers, the greatest missers of all time.

[2192] I like, I really liked, that that was cool that stuck with me as well cobi number one he's number one mhm lebron is number two then we have john havels havelshevleseck havelacek havelacek havelacek he was for the boston celtics elvin hayes and carl malone are the top five oh wow jordan wasn't in the top five not in the top five that i can see on this on centiate animals Yes.

[2193] Yeah, sportsbrief .com.

[2194] And then...

[2195] He's ninth.

[2196] Okay, so top ten.

[2197] That's still...

[2198] I would have thought, um, Cream Abdul -Jabbar would have been up there because he's eight.

[2199] He's eighth.

[2200] Because he had been forever the all -time scoring champ, career scoring champ.

[2201] Yeah.

[2202] Tens of thousands of points.

[2203] Brenda of the pod, Carmelo and Anthony.

[2204] Oh, yes.

[2205] Oh, yes.

[2206] Oh, mellow.

[2207] Exploding shirt guy, right?

[2208] Yep.

[2209] Exploding pants.

[2210] And shirt.

[2211] Oh, God.

[2212] Okay, so the quarterbacks with the most overall interceptions in NFL history, similar thing.

[2213] Yeah, I tried to pull that into the combo.

[2214] Yeah, number five.

[2215] Okay, tied for four.

[2216] Peyton Manning.

[2217] Sure, legend.

[2218] Legend.

[2219] And Dan Marino.

[2220] Oh, Big Dan Marino, main character in Ace Ventura.

[2221] Three is Fran Tarkenton.

[2222] Ah, Fran Tarkenton.

[2223] Just hearing that name for the first time.

[2224] Me too, but.

[2225] Let's see.

[2226] Hall of Fame quarterback played 18 seasons for the Giants.

[2227] Whoa.

[2228] Actually, the name is sort of familiar.

[2229] In 1972.

[2230] Yeah, it's old.

[2231] Three years before I was.

[2232] Two is George Blanda.

[2233] Also hearing that one.

[2234] Yeah, I don't know that one.

[2235] And one is Brett Farv.

[2236] Ah, Brett Farver.

[2237] F -A -V -R -E?

[2238] Yeah, but isn't it Farve?

[2239] It is, but I don't know how.

[2240] I don't know how they get that R on the other side of the V. How do they do that?

[2241] I hate this language.

[2242] Yeah.

[2243] I don't think I'm dyslexic.

[2244] I think I'm just logical.

[2245] Yeah, that's fair.

[2246] I think other people just went where they're like, yeah, I'm not going to fight against the breaking of this logic they introduced.

[2247] I'm with you.

[2248] That one makes no sense.

[2249] Favra.

[2250] I looked into the Kendrick Lamar face covering.

[2251] Oh, good.

[2252] Did you find anything?

[2253] No. I didn't.

[2254] I couldn't find out anything.

[2255] So I think you're going to have to ask.

[2256] Kendrick Lamar?

[2257] Yeah.

[2258] I would love to.

[2259] Hey, I wonder what his nickname is.

[2260] Kenny?

[2261] Kay Lamar.

[2262] Kayla?

[2263] Maybe people just call him Lamar.

[2264] Lamar.

[2265] Kayla's kind of cool.

[2266] Kayla's cool.

[2267] It's kind of feminine.

[2268] Sexy.

[2269] Can't believe you didn't have anything to say about Buck Blando, that quarterback, Rob.

[2270] Kind of a bland.

[2271] I thought for sure we were going to get a bland pun.

[2272] I can feel it.

[2273] you know, I was bracing myself.

[2274] Oh, wow, yeah.

[2275] Missed opportunity, Rob.

[2276] That's good to keep me guessing as well, though.

[2277] He's got some nicknames.

[2278] He want to hear his...

[2279] Of course.

[2280] Kendrake -Lamars got K -Dot.

[2281] Oh, K -Dak.

[2282] King Kendrick.

[2283] Ooh, King Kendrick.

[2284] Well, because King Kunta is one of his great songs.

[2285] Cornrow Kenny.

[2286] Oh, Cornrow Kenny.

[2287] And Kung Fu Kenny.

[2288] And Kung Fu Kenny.

[2289] A little appropriation, but I don't mind when black people appropriate.

[2290] I wonder who gave him that nickname.

[2291] Bruce Lee.

[2292] Yeah, so then it's fine I might start going by Captain Kung Fu No, we'll have to ask We have to get him on, we have a lot to ask him We do, we have to ask him if I can go by Kung Fu Shepard And about the face covering Yes That is it for factuals Okay, those were fun factuals, really Learning who had been married several times That's a fun one Also poking our nose into people's finances, that's always fun Oh, I know Speaking of people of means, I can't believe I didn't start the fact check with this.

[2293] Big, big, big congratulations to my hero, your ex -lover, Ashley Olson.

[2294] Oh, because she is now a mother.

[2295] She is.

[2296] She's going to have videos like that on her phone.

[2297] How fun for her.

[2298] Think how cute her baby was.

[2299] Oh, my God.

[2300] Round features.

[2301] Auto.

[2302] And you are excited because it's a palindrome.

[2303] Yeah.

[2304] Yeah.

[2305] Man, ding, ding, ding on these palindromes.

[2306] Of course she had a palindromed, kid.

[2307] There is, I do have this curiosity.

[2308] Like, do you love them enough, Ashley or Taylor, that you think you could be in a relationship with them?

[2309] No. Okay, I'm just curious.

[2310] Wait, what kind?

[2311] Romantic?

[2312] No. Yeah, like, become life partners.

[2313] No, because I'm not sexually attracted to women.

[2314] I know, but I'm still wondering.

[2315] That's weird to wonder.

[2316] It's not.

[2317] People rightly would ask me, would I want a romantic relationship with Brad Pitt?

[2318] That's a totally fair question to me because I'm so obsessed with them and very visually.

[2319] Right.

[2320] So when people have asked me that, I'm not offended by that.

[2321] I think like, yeah, that's a legit question.

[2322] And no, but more stuff than I'd want to do with Aaron.

[2323] Really?

[2324] Sure.

[2325] Like I think I could kiss Brad Pitt on the lips.

[2326] and like like it I'm open to find out oh wow but not Aaron that's kind of well no Aaron's my best he's like my brother right even more reason like you guys are intimate you put your head on his tummy and stuff yeah yeah yeah yeah but what's interesting is I can imagine I kiss Brad and it's nice it's not bad but I don't want anything to do with each other's penises But do you think that's because of your trauma?

[2327] Well, I would just argue it's because I'm heterosexual, but...

[2328] Yeah, but interesting.

[2329] Well, you know my take on gayness, which is, I have to point out historically, what's very curious is that all Greeks were bisexual.

[2330] So I know culturally, if your culture says you're bisexual, we have at least an enormous data set that says, yes, an entire culture.

[2331] Nothing genetically happened.

[2332] You mean like the ancient Greeks?

[2333] Yeah, the ancient Greeks were all by.

[2334] The guys were fucking each other in these warrior camps.

[2335] Or you sure they weren't just gay, though?

[2336] Well, no, they had wives and had children.

[2337] Well, right, because that's what, like, to...

[2338] But that's why it's even pointless to say, were they gay or straight or high.

[2339] It's like they fucked dudes and women.

[2340] Yeah, yeah.

[2341] And culturally, that was fine.

[2342] And when that's fine, lo and behold, everyone did that.

[2343] Yeah.

[2344] So there is an insane example of culture.

[2345] Yeah.

[2346] When you ask, could I have been by?

[2347] I would say, sure.

[2348] If I was born in 300 BC and Athens, I would have been.

[2349] In 20, 38.

[2350] That is where this younger generation is kind of circled back to that.

[2351] We think that, but I also wonder if that's true.

[2352] I think that's a lot of people are just more people feel comfortable not hiding that they're gay or by.

[2353] so it would appear that a bunch of more people are.

[2354] But I just think it's also quite possible that that number hasn't changed as people are comfortable acknowledging that.

[2355] But also there is a wave amongst young, young people to just not have labels.

[2356] Like, what's the point of that?

[2357] What's the point of saying straight or gay or this?

[2358] Like, we'll just like like who we like, which sounds more like the ancient Greeks.

[2359] But no, no, I'm not physically attracted to Ashley or Taylor.

[2360] I would want to be their friend.

[2361] Yeah.

[2362] And I would want to be in their presence because I think they're exceptional.

[2363] Uh -huh.

[2364] Well, it's also not...

[2365] But I'm not attracted to them.

[2366] It's not popular to admit or to say, but what is also in reality is we've had two or three guests whose mothers weren't gay and found love with a woman.

[2367] Right.

[2368] And we know some people in our real life that weren't gay and found love with the woman.

[2369] I don't know any guys that were not gay And then fell in love with the man I just haven't ever seen it I'm not saying it doesn't happen But I haven't I have quite a few examples of women doing that I just am not aware of any men Right So for me yeah It's a little more plausible That it could happen to you Because I happen to know a bunch of cases Where that happened I mean yeah I guess who knows Yes I guess that like If you had this deep affinity And love for them That somehow you might be like Okay maybe I don't know Well I would have to fall in love with Yes.

[2370] And that would require knowing them and not just from afar.

[2371] Right.

[2372] So maybe.

[2373] Okay.

[2374] TBD.

[2375] TBD.

[2376] I'm going to save.

[2377] If you're betting, if you're betting, you're saying probably not.

[2378] Probably not.

[2379] Probably not.

[2380] I've had very extremely close relationships with women and I've never been physically attracted to them or like wanted to kiss them or anything.

[2381] Right.

[2382] But were any of those friends had you like had this like?

[2383] level of well christin okay and you never thought about leaning in for a kiss with her no not unfortunately not that'd be something if i had to come downstairs and say you guys necking on the couch yeah what would you have felt betrayed no you know not that way that's not really my my thing i guess i would think hmm this is going to get complicated they work together sure uh yeah uh yeah uh who knows No labels, you know.

[2384] Yeah, no labels.

[2385] I love you.

[2386] I love you.

[2387] Very fun fact check.

[2388] Follow armchair expert on the Wondry app, Amazon music, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[2389] You can listen to every episode of Armchair Expert early and ad free right now by joining Wondry Plus in the Wondry app or on Apple Podcasts.

[2390] Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at Wondry .com slash survey.