#1444 - Duncan Trussell

[0] Oh, this one's good.

[1] Demons be gone.

[2] Be gone, demons.

[3] Be gone.

[4] Leave this studio!

[5] Leave this planet.

[6] Leave our universe.

[7] Leave.

[8] This is legit sage from a Native American woman.

[9] Wow.

[10] So we're purifying this room.

[11] Wonderful.

[12] Oh, my neighbor me. Oh, my neighbor may leave.

[13] Please God, bless me. this room.

[14] And Odin, too.

[15] Just in case they were wrong.

[16] That's where I was referring to.

[17] They abandoned Odin.

[18] He was around first.

[19] You know, you got to think of all the gods that everybody believed in.

[20] And they're like, I'm not so sure about Thor.

[21] Yeah.

[22] And then they let him go.

[23] What if Thor was legit?

[24] Right?

[25] And he's still out there, just like somebody who just fell out of fame as a god?

[26] Yeah.

[27] He's like, don't you fuck or see the lightning?

[28] Yeah.

[29] That's me throwing bolts.

[30] He's like one of those guys, and you go to Vegas, and you see one of those billboards for a strange casino and you're like oh that guy yeah Tony Orlando and Dawn I remember them Thor's at the mirage Thor's doing a residency you motherfuckers check out the thunder that's actually caused by atmospheric conditions no you fucks Thor's on cameo make that imagine someone had a really good point about that that some atheists was arguing against religions.

[31] It might have been Sam Harris.

[32] Probably with Sam Harris.

[33] It might have been Richard Dawkins.

[34] But he basically said there's 99 different gods that people who believe in the Christian God don't believe in.

[35] And then he goes, atheists, just take it one step further.

[36] They just get rid of the last.

[37] Which is one god away.

[38] That's what he was saying.

[39] That's cool.

[40] Yeah.

[41] Yeah.

[42] I get confused with being an atheist all the time.

[43] I do not believe I'm an atheist.

[44] I believe I am, I'm open to everything person.

[45] I don't believe stories about people coming back from the dead and I don't, because they're written by people.

[46] Right?

[47] Yeah, man. I mean, that's right.

[48] And also they're supposed to function on more than the surface level.

[49] They're supposed to be a kind of fractal that has inside of it, a lot of like symbols related to just human existence.

[50] they're not meant to be so much like taken literally that's where you embarrass yourself on either side exactly on either side that's a really good point it's and the translations apparently are so difficult to do yeah apparently the trip especially old testament when they translate the old testament they had to translate it I mean think of all the different languages it had to go through it was Latin and Greek and German and English and all these different languages that are so different like if you ever use the the translate button like I follow a lot of Russian fighters and they you know and their Instagram feed they write in Russian and I'm always like oh translate it's a really cool feature you could but you can tell it's not exactly what they meant because it's all fucked up because their language is different right like the way they structure sentences is different so English doesn't just plug and play right you know it's like sticking a USB 3 into a USBA like hey this doesn't really fit all right now add time oh add thousands of years and scrolls and kings who wanted things changed yeah the king james version right it's the best that's my favorite one to read on acid that's the one king james book of john baby hit that on acid it's so wonderful it's so trippy because it's like that's when i really like christianity clicked for me regardless of it's uh whether it's real or not but that's when i was like oh okay i get this because the book of John, when you read it, you're like, well, someone wrote it.

[51] I don't know who wrote it.

[52] And whoever fucking wrote this, their mind was blown, man. Like, this wasn't written by someone who was just like a normal person.

[53] This is a person who was freaking out in the most intense way.

[54] And so to me, that's what I love about it is.

[55] It's like something about how old it is and the distortions, the historical distortions, the warping of it, produced.

[56] this kind of awesome glitched out mosaic of if nothing else human consciousness 5 ,000 years ago where our minds were that's trippy by itself regardless of whether or not a person who could like graze the dead and walk on water was walking about just holy shit here's how people thought back yes yes yeah I mean all the stuff that you can't prove or you don't know that's interesting it's weird it's weird where those stories came from and why they're so universal like someone has everyone has like a creature creator.

[57] Everyone has like a main dude that did the thing.

[58] And, you know, there's some other people that have like large groups of gods like the Greeks had gods for everything.

[59] The Indian native, a lot of Native Americans had gods for everything.

[60] Sure.

[61] Yeah.

[62] Yeah.

[63] Animism.

[64] It's in like I've talked to people who make, uh, who produce electronic music and some of them apply, say that the computers have a life in them, a sentience, a spirit inside their computer.

[65] So there's a collaboration happening that isn't one -sided when they're making.

[66] stuff it's like working with like the spirit within the machine which is pretty trippy man like why do they do they but this is based on input or the way they react that when they're putting in the input to the thing they think the thing is responding to them yeah it's it's yeah they think that there's a it's a it's a live that like standard keyboards or this just electronic stuff uh i know someone who makes visual art on their computer their laptop that you in that like or you know do you have an alexa you probably don't do you have an echo like sometimes I'll realize the way I'm talking to that thing is like really impolite you know like next song next song that's kind of fun yeah it's fun to yell at robots yeah it's someone yeah it is funny yell at robots you know it's really funny I made fun of this but there is a point to this PETA had a statement that they put out a while back because these dudes from Boston Dynamics were kicking the fuck out of these robots they're trying to figure out They're trying to figure out how to get these robots to fall over.

[67] And they're making these insanely durable robots.

[68] If you take scientists and engineers and you say, hey, I want you guys, here's a shit ton of money.

[69] I want you guys to make the dopest robots you can make.

[70] They're going to make robots you can kick.

[71] And it's not a living thing.

[72] But PETA released some statement saying they didn't think it's cool to kick robots.

[73] What?

[74] That's not real.

[75] That's got to be fake.

[76] No, it's real.

[77] It's real.

[78] It's real.

[79] What?

[80] Yes.

[81] They would think, I think the statement I'm paraphrasing was something to the effect of, there's other things that are more important, but it's still not cool to kick robots.

[82] Jesus Christ, that's a tattoo right there, man. But it just shows you what'll happen when robots become alive, because those fucking traitors, those people, those people that think that robots are alive and they're us, those emotionless things that have no place in our world with power, they're supposed to be things that we control.

[83] As soon as you let them control themselves and you try to pretend they're a person This is going to wipe it out Yeah man Can you imagine?

[84] I'm not going to try to kick one of those fucking DARPA bots Those things are terrified They would have a record of it They would always remember That this one kicks robots It's in the cloud Yeah and then they'll show it to you one day When some super sophisticated genius God robots sits you down at a couch And shows you you kicking These unbeknownst -to -you Sentient robots They were just trying to fucking figure What am I?

[85] What am I?

[86] I'm like a baby They were like a little baby and you're kicking them.

[87] So the robots are very, very upset at you in the future.

[88] They might just reanimate your ass and just show you over and over that clip of you kicking the fucking robot.

[89] Yes.

[90] Did you see what Trump tweeted?

[91] No. He tweeted and deleted.

[92] It's fucking hilarious.

[93] He said, checks are coming to everyone in America except the people who used hashtag not my president.

[94] I wouldn't want to offend you with a check from someone that's not your president.

[95] Something to that effect.

[96] See if you can find that.

[97] And then it would hashtag MAGA afterwards.

[98] I mean, he just dunked on them.

[99] The president dunks on people.

[100] Yeah.

[101] I want to know who the tweet the leader is.

[102] Well, someone in his department was probably like, Mr. Trump, that's not a good idea.

[103] They have a siren that goes off.

[104] You got to delete that.

[105] Yeah, man. I know the president can delete tweets.

[106] How much is he going to send?

[107] I think they wanted to give like a thousand.

[108] $2 ,000 a month or something like that, to Americans?

[109] Is that the idea, Jamie?

[110] I've hurt lots of things.

[111] I don't know.

[112] To $2 ,000, I don't know.

[113] Bernie's saying they should give $2 ,000 a month.

[114] Yeah.

[115] It's got to be $2 ,000.

[116] Everybody, but if you give everybody $2 ,000 a month, it's a good thing.

[117] But everyone's going to go, hey, you could have done this the whole time?

[118] That's right.

[119] Wait a minute.

[120] If you just raise taxes, can you just give people money?

[121] Can you just give people more money?

[122] And if, I'm not saying we should do this.

[123] But imagine if that was a solution to all this, if you just give people more money, everything just sort of levels out and relaxes.

[124] Crime drops, everything drops, drug abuse drops.

[125] Well, I mean, they've got to know that when people don't have work, they don't have money with no money they can't support their family.

[126] That's when the riots start.

[127] Yes.

[128] That's when things catch on fire.

[129] They know that.

[130] So it's like a bribe to try to keep people from rioting until whatever the fuck this thing is passing.

[131] You could look at it that way.

[132] or it's giving people a different environment to exist in one that doesn't leave them hostile.

[133] So instead of looking at it like a bribe, look at it like, you know what, I see what a lot of your problem is.

[134] You're not asking for affluence.

[135] You could barely get by.

[136] But if it was easy to get by, if you could just get by, and then you could pursue other things, would that be better for society?

[137] And that was like what Andrew Yang was suggesting if this whole automation revolution took place and everything started getting automated and no one has to be.

[138] a job anymore.

[139] There might be something to that.

[140] There might be something to that now even.

[141] You know, the question is like, what are, what are you happy your, your taxes get used for?

[142] You know, it's almost like you should be able to vote on that.

[143] Like the one thing that we don't get real direction on, right, like in terms of like what the country actually wants.

[144] But if we could all just individually vote on things like that, like where's, where's my taxes go?

[145] I want my taxes to go 100 % to education.

[146] Right.

[147] I want to make that cut.

[148] And, you know, you guys got to figure out what to do with the rest of the money.

[149] But if you did that.

[150] My money, I wanted to go towards education.

[151] But then nobody or the people who would be paying for war and prisons and shit would just be like BDSM people.

[152] Well, how about the salaries?

[153] How about the salaries of politicians?

[154] How about the money that they make doing tours and all that kind of shit?

[155] Private jets.

[156] All that shit.

[157] It's crazy.

[158] Yeah, it's fucking crazy.

[159] Also, like, the loose connection between.

[160] the state and corporations and the way it's just all kind of merging together right now.

[161] And also, you know, it appears to be kind of the apocalypse at the moment.

[162] Well, if it's not the apocalypse, I don't think it's the apocalypse.

[163] I think it's just a dangerous, dangerous illness.

[164] But it's definitely a dress rehearsal.

[165] It's a dress rehearsal for fucking people going to become preppers.

[166] It is going to be amazing for the toilet paper industry.

[167] They're going to experience a banner year.

[168] If you've got toilet paper stock, you're riding high right now.

[169] Do you remember the, I don't know if you had this experience, but like, I can remember sitting at my computer and pressing the button on Amazon where I wanted to buy something.

[170] And it's like, this isn't available right now in that moment of like, it's my button that brings me things.

[171] It then like suddenly just realized, I'm like, oh my fucking God, how completely weak have I become.

[172] that I got accustomed to pressing this button and people would bring groceries to my house.

[173] And now they don't.

[174] Now it's like, stopped.

[175] Not only that, I'm so accustomed to like, well, you know, I'll just go to the grocery store and pick up some food.

[176] It's always been there.

[177] It's not there.

[178] Dude, I had an Instacart delivery today, you know, because we wanted to get stock up on food.

[179] Oh, $200 worth of food.

[180] Guess what I got?

[181] strawberries hummus and I think we got like I don't know some like eggs that's it out of the whole order everything else was sold out all the beef gone all the chicken gone nothing's there it's like the shelves are empty so it's like okay send everybody $2 ,000 a month but what are they going to buy if there's like no food on the shelves like what I think that was a temporary freak out where people stockpiled stuff.

[182] And I think as long as food keeps getting delivered on a normal schedule, I think that'll normal out.

[183] I hope so, man. Yeah, I do.

[184] I think that'll normal out.

[185] But it just shows you there's so many things in our society that are amazing, like grocery stores, like cell phones, like we can call each other, all this.

[186] But those things are so fragile.

[187] Yeah.

[188] They're like, they're so vulnerable.

[189] Like if an emergency happens and everyone wants to call it once, the cell phone system can't handle it.

[190] Yeah.

[191] Like, it's not like you have a phone and you can call anytime you want, and I have a phone, I can call anytime I want, and everyone in the world is a phone they can call anytime they want.

[192] No, if everybody does that, the system is not set up to handle that.

[193] If everybody does that, like, ah!

[194] Like, that's why if there's an earthquake or a tsunami or everyone's fucked.

[195] It's so hard to make phone calls.

[196] Yeah.

[197] It's not going to get through.

[198] Yeah.

[199] Well, dude, I just heard on NPR that so many people were requesting unemployment that it's crashed systems in several states that's because this is the real problem one of my friends was saying he's like you know a lot of people are running out of money tomorrow they're bartenders anyone in the service injury all the people who work at the comedy store it's not like I mean how many of them had a lot of money like stored up none of them so what what happens now when there's no food on the shelves and we got to help them I've been a tech message thread with Whitney Cummings and Nick Swartz and then Krista Leah and we're talking about that very thing right now like how to do it and how to set up a fund it needs to be done for sure you know people that can help should help this is not a normal time this is not a time where people are lazy this is a time where the whole world got fucked real quick yeah yeah we weren't ready for it and uh we're going to have to come together but this is a good time for people to recognize the importance of community.

[200] It's a terrible time for humanity.

[201] It's a terrible time for us and terrible time for the people that are sick.

[202] But it's a really good time for us to understand why community is important.

[203] We live in this illusionary world that's provided to us by the culture that we've created where you can just buy things anytime you want.

[204] You don't need people.

[205] You come home.

[206] You watch Netflix.

[207] You don't engage with anyone.

[208] You get in your car.

[209] You barely say how to anybody at work.

[210] We're detached from each other.

[211] And this is the only time ever in life we've been detached from each other and we're being detached by these god damn electronics yeah they're sneaking up on us yeah electronics and cars which is also you know it's it's also a creation a mechanical creation and now more than ever they're driving computers yeah man it's true what i'm trying to say is ted kizinski was right oh my god we all know that he was right do you ever read his manifesto no i'm scared it's catchy yeah man it's so fun that's i went through a period of like doing ketamine and like trying to watch the worst thing like Charles Manson Kaczynski and yeah it is you know it is a little bit like kind of interestingly not that off but then the tone is so imperial or something when you're reading it there's like this it's a manifesto that's I have to write it you know but the one thing my wife is part of like something like it's called a mommy group so it's like a connection of online of all these mommies and on like all over LA and what they do is they post people will post shit they need so like one of the moms just had a kid they don't have any wet wipes and so then all the other moms will be like oh we've got wet wipes and then right now they're just leaving them on the door so people come and get them so it's like I think the community thing is exactly right but also people have to maybe transcend money for a second and figure out ways to set up in their community like what do you need what do i have and then start some form of like trade or just giving people you know there was someone who set up a toilet paper exchange i don't in l .a where he was just like if you have extra toilet paper bring it and then he had toilet paper and he was just giving it out to people who are you know that's i think that's the sort of thing we're going to have to start doing if we can you know it's like right now there's old people who they can't do shit man they can't do anything they're terrified they can't even get online if you know them you got to help them and this is uh you know this is a weird time for us but it's a time for us to reset you know it's not it's not good i'm not saying it's good but i'm saying there's a we can get a positive out of this the people that make through the people that make it through we can get a positive out of this and the positive is community's important it's really important and it seemed like it wasn't important because it seemed like we had everything set up so he didn't have to engage with people.

[212] It's not the right way to do it.

[213] It's not good for anybody.

[214] No. That kind of life is not good.

[215] And the detachment that we have, I mean, that's why, why do you think people have road rage on the highway, you know, when they're locked in their little box, separated from people in a way that they, but they wouldn't have it in person.

[216] Yeah.

[217] It was just, I mean, it's only a thin piece of metal and glass separating you from these people.

[218] Yeah.

[219] With that, there's the other added factor of the heightened senses, because you're driving fast, you realize you might have to make quick movements.

[220] So dumb things people do are elevated.

[221] That's right.

[222] They're even more dumb.

[223] Yeah.

[224] But it's also that you're detached.

[225] You're in these boxes.

[226] Right.

[227] It's like a weird dream.

[228] We've done weird shit to each other.

[229] Yeah.

[230] Because of that.

[231] We're all gumbed up in that way.

[232] It's like something, it's like, it's like a fungus that grew on the circuitry of society and started.

[233] Or it's like, you know, when they talk about the dolphins and the whales being fucked up by the high -tech sonar they're using and washing up on the beach.

[234] because the sonar is messing up their ability to communicate with each other.

[235] It's like there's this kind of technological sonar that is completely made us disconnected from the Earth, essentially.

[236] Like our Earth connection has been replaced by a technological connection.

[237] Now, technology comes from the Earth, but we're talking about a secondary thing compared to, you know, your feet touching the ground, being around another human and like recognizing them as, having exactly the same thing you have, which is they want to be happy, you know, is feeling the connection between people when you're with someone.

[238] I mean, I don't know if you've ever done that, but just like the next time you're around anybody that you're like buying shit from or that you normally just kind of go by, feel that connect.

[239] You can feel it.

[240] There's an energetic connection that you can feel there that's easy to overlook.

[241] Yeah, we've lost the biggest one, which is through light pollution.

[242] I think every night people were humbled and reminded of the majesty of the universe when they looked up and saw the infinite skies on a clear night.

[243] The infinite star is just the whole Milky Way.

[244] You could see the whole thing.

[245] Yeah.

[246] You know, and there's parts of the country where there's plenty of darkness and you could literally see the whole Milky Way.

[247] And it makes you think like, oh, our ancestors saw this fucking freaky shit all the time.

[248] We decided to shut off the greatest art the world is ever.

[249] known because we want to be able to see better at night.

[250] Yeah.

[251] The greatest art, an art that literally not just has inspired science and wonder and fueled it, right, but also has kind of always put people in place.

[252] Always just understand.

[253] This is not a backdrop.

[254] It's not a tapestry.

[255] The up there is madness.

[256] It's forever.

[257] And you're not protected.

[258] There's just a thin layer of gas between you and the.

[259] universe which is infinite you're this tiny little speck of nothingness in this impossible to understand spans of planets and stars that just goes on forever literally forever and we're one little tiny piece of it and we're being held here with a spin and some air and there's a giant fucking fireball in the sky that keeps this alive and it's a million times bigger than the earth yeah And it's right there.

[260] And this is the reality that we live in.

[261] It is almost too crazy to put in your consciousness on a daily basis.

[262] So we forget about it all the time.

[263] It's one of the most important things about our existence here is that we're a part of the universe.

[264] Yeah.

[265] It's not just that we're in, you know, fucking Sherman Oaks or we're hanging out in Montana.

[266] No, we're right there connected in the universe.

[267] And it doesn't get brought up.

[268] And one of the reasons is because we don't see it.

[269] We don't fucking freak out.

[270] If you go to the country, go camping, you fucking freak out.

[271] You're like, wow, you see the stars.

[272] You're like, this is fucking nuts, man. You can see them all.

[273] It's a reset button.

[274] It changes how you feel about life.

[275] Yeah.

[276] Well, also it seems like a lot of us have forgotten that we're going to die on top of all that.

[277] I mean, not only are you, like, looking up at this void filled with stars, but the thing you are is temporary.

[278] And that to me is, you know, the other day, I'm like just washing dishes during this fucking pandemic.

[279] And I'm thinking to myself, man, I feel so lucky to be washing dishes right now.

[280] I'm alive.

[281] I'm healthy.

[282] This is fucking, it was a different kind of washing dishes than a week ago when I was able to, or two weeks or before the shit started, when I could order anything I fucking wanted off the internet.

[283] Suddenly, I'm in a different world.

[284] Like this is a world where, well, we've got to wash these dishes because, man, if I get like, if bugs come, I don't know if I want to call an exterminator right now.

[285] I don't know how many people I want in my house right now.

[286] I don't know what this shit is.

[287] So it's like suddenly these are, what you're experiencing is this kind of like, well, what does it say in the Bible that we both love so much?

[288] Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

[289] And I think you could easily translate that to understanding your place in the universe.

[290] should produce a kind of positive fear and trembling.

[291] Not like you're anxious or terrified, but just a kind of like, whoa, this doesn't last.

[292] Nothing about this last.

[293] And right now everyone around the planet is getting a firsthand glimpse of that very truth, right?

[294] Yeah, all at once.

[295] One big dose.

[296] One big dose of it all at once, man. One big dose for people to recognize how much of what they concentrate on a daily basis, how much what fills their consciousness is shit.

[297] It's utter nonsense.

[298] Yeah.

[299] And we got tricked.

[300] We got tricked into thinking it would go on forever and now we know it's not going to.

[301] Now we know, hey, look, this is a terrible thing but relatively speaking compared to super volcano, asteroid impact.

[302] It's compared to something solar flare, something really crazy that can happen and blow out all the power.

[303] Yeah.

[304] Which is 100 % of point.

[305] possibility.

[306] Solar flares are 100 % a possibility.

[307] And for people to not recognize that and just go through their life, it's just because we look at life as if what we've experienced while we're alive is the norm.

[308] But it's not the norm.

[309] It's just hard for you to recognize that your life is so short.

[310] Your life is so short that when they're measuring all the different catastrophes that have happened over the earth, whether it's proven sites of asteroid impacts or proven sites of volcano eruptions or all these different things that have happened for sure and wiped out millions of people all over the world.

[311] They happen over a time span that's too big.

[312] Our head doesn't get in there.

[313] Our head doesn't go, what is 13 ,000 years is just some scratches on some paper in my head, my stupid head?

[314] I don't know what 13 ,000 years means.

[315] I can't.

[316] I can't do it.

[317] But 13 ,000 years ago, They think, and there's more and more evidence every day, that there was some big impact on Earth.

[318] Yeah.

[319] And who fucking knows how many of those humans have gone through?

[320] Who knows?

[321] For the, what I think scientists believe, what is it?

[322] It's like 300 ,000 plus years we've been this, right?

[323] Is that the idea?

[324] Homo sapien.

[325] Something like that, yeah.

[326] Something like that, right?

[327] Bro, that ain't shit.

[328] Right.

[329] That's so short.

[330] That's so short just in the time that the Earth has been here, in the four point whatever billion years the earth has been here and that's so short in terms of the almost 14 billion years the known universe has been here all of its madness every single step along the way is madness but we get stuck in these little time periods where nothing changes and so we think that this is life so we've built all these houses that only can work on electricity how many fucking people have a real fireplace in their house that live in cold places They're banning those now So if they're banning fireplaces Because they don't want to start fires That's great as long as you can ensure The gas and the power is going to stay on And I don't think you could do that We just think you can Because you've done it for 100 years That's right That's the thing A hundred years is shit A hundred years The Industrial Revolution The roaring 20s from then to today Let's go 150 Let's get crazy That ain't shit That ain't shit To say this is how things are Every day is so dumb.

[331] It's especially to say in terms of the earth, natural disasters, space anomalies, not even anomalies, things that happen, like solar flares.

[332] They haven't all the time, man. Yeah, man. Well, I mean, and shit, we don't even know.

[333] That's the other thing.

[334] We don't know all the data in the universe.

[335] We don't know that there isn't something called like a quadreesian ripple that happens every, you know, 16 million years.

[336] Call Sean Carroll right now.

[337] It's a ripple.

[338] I need information.

[339] Do you know, do you know that poem, Ozymandius?

[340] Ozzymandius.

[341] Yeah, it's by Shelley, I think.

[342] It's like, I don't have it memorized, but basically it's like the poem is about someone who sees the broken legs of a statue in the desert.

[343] And written on a plaque is, my name is Ozzymandius, ruler of rulers, king of kings.

[344] Behold my works, he mighty, and despair.

[345] Because he's just a broken legs.

[346] It's like all you motherfuckers who think you have power, who think you have all this control, it's like we don't like, I guarantee, of course, like in ancient Egypt, there was probably, I'm not talking about the pharaoh, but there's at least like a thousand dudes who are like, I'm like the hot shit in Egypt and they're going to remember me for a long time.

[347] It's like we don't know who you are.

[348] It's all gone, eradicated, wiped out.

[349] And this to me is like one of the really side effects of this thing, this technology.

[350] thing is we've all become completely self -obsessed, self -absorbed, putting our images out there, making sure that our profiles are updated, you know what I mean?

[351] Like we have this insane idea of, like, we're so deeply rooted in our identity, instead of in the connections between our identities, that we're all, the only way that we can finally see how connected we are is some motherfucker eats a bat.

[352] You know what I mean?

[353] so fucking weird dude you know it's really crazy man think of this if technology really did have an effect on the programming of human beings and a human beings interacting with technology think we're innocently interacting with a non -sentient thing but all the while this technology and you could call we get confused and we think the technology is like a digital clock or a television or a computer.

[354] It is, but it's also like a fish hook.

[355] Like somebody, it's innovation.

[356] Someone had to figure that out.

[357] And imagine creating an ape that is aware of its environment.

[358] Like this is like really the perfect storm.

[359] Aware of its environment, but obsessed with itself, knows in the back of its head that it's temporary, that it's a, it's got a finite lifespan, but lives like it's going to live forever and lives in the moment, lives in the moment, and wants to acquire things.

[360] It seems the number one goal for the, you know, the Uber wealthy or the Uber successful, the Jeff Bezos type's characters, right, or on the top of the food chain financially, they want to acquire things.

[361] They're always acquiring things, which means people have to make things, which means they're like they're a big consumer as well as someone who's making a show.

[362] ton of money.

[363] Right.

[364] And this also fuels innovation because you've got to keep up with these people.

[365] You've got to keep giving them bigger and better things every year.

[366] So all this resources go into innovation of technology.

[367] It's the thing that progresses quicker than anything.

[368] Look at cell phones every year.

[369] I need 150 megapixel camera.

[370] Or you're a loser.

[371] Yeah.

[372] You're a loser.

[373] You know, these fucking Samsung phones that are like seven -inch screens now, everyone's going crazy.

[374] Right.

[375] But what is the goal, though?

[376] The goal is to make better shit and the goal along the way of like this goal is it's working but you know it'd be even better if we've made it so they don't touch each other anymore if we could come up with a disease where they can't shake hands they don't they don't come close right and yeah just keep them a little further apart from each other it'll make them more interested in the things more interested in the technology more more separate from each other and encourage technology that connects them with each other so through technology they'll they'll find this human longing for contact that they're missing in their life, they're going to get an emulated version of it.

[377] But that emulated version of it is going to keep getting better, and it's going to keep getting better, and it's going to get to a point where it's better than real life, way better than real life, because you're like Jumanji.

[378] You get to be the rock.

[379] You get to be like a superhero.

[380] You could live a magical life with no boundaries of physics, and they're going to do that.

[381] People are going to do that.

[382] They're going to give in.

[383] If I was a life form that I was trying to haunt another life form and trick it into giving birth to me. I would create a person.

[384] I'd create people.

[385] We're like some fucking ant.

[386] We're like some aunt that's manufacturing our successors.

[387] That's what we are.

[388] And we don't even know what we're doing.

[389] Just showing up every day.

[390] Look at my fucking watches.

[391] I got all these diamonds.

[392] Chain, chain, chain, ching, bling, bitches.

[393] My house is bigger than the rocks.

[394] The rocks house is this big.

[395] My house is this big.

[396] I mean, that's what people are doing.

[397] That's what we're doing.

[398] We're just buying more shit.

[399] And one good thing of something like this, any time a tragedy happens, people bond together afterwards.

[400] It's a terrible thing that it happened.

[401] But for the victims and the family members of the victims, we all know this.

[402] But it can be a good reset for us.

[403] Economically, people are going to have to get through it.

[404] That's going to be the most difficult part.

[405] Yeah, it is.

[406] But I think there's going to be an opportunity for us to just assume a nicer stance towards our neighbors and towards our friends and towards our community and instead of embracing this idea like you better get guns because they're coming maybe we can all come together instead of that.

[407] I think people need to find if that's going to happen then we've got to find a better metric for whether things are right or wrong than the news.

[408] Yes.

[409] We need something to retune ourselves.

[410] Right now we're tuning the guitar of our identity to these to like the most terrifying shit which is the news or like what people are saying and so if that's if I think many people have become so accustomed to getting their idea of what's happening in reality from the TV instead of from like how they feel inside what's going on with their friends and their family that puts people at an incredible disadvantage because their pond is being rippled by shit you know I was thinking it's like what are those little not prairie dogs they stand and look around at the hawks you know what I'm talking about what are those things called they're like they're social little marmots or something like that you know there was a show like lemur palace I don't remember where they're called something but they're like they're really cute I see them at the zoo they're fucking adorable adorable animals ever they stand and look somehow they ignore all the humans around them and just look in the sky for a hawk It's kind of sad, but...

[411] That's their life, though.

[412] But imagine if that one looking for the Hawk had, like, the Internet and could see Hawks thousands of miles away, how anxious all of them would be, because he would always be like, get on the ground, get underground, get underground.

[413] So, you know, I think this is what has happened is that we're all constantly being told.

[414] I mean, I remember when I was growing up in the old days, when the news had an alert, that was serious.

[415] Some serious shit went down.

[416] You would be, what the fuck?

[417] Fox News or any of the news stations did they have an alert like every four minutes now Don da -da -da -da -dum alert And it's all telling us Just what you're saying Get underground Go inside Go inside danger out here Danger out here And so we're all like Even before this shit We were huddled up a little bit Now we can rationalize the huddling You know And that's what we're doing We're just huddling inside right now That's an incredibly vulnerable Place to be I mean I'm not going to get conspiratorial here If I was the artificial intelligence and I was about to hit the switch and become sentient, I would want to remove the threat of human beings as much as possible before I hit the switch.

[418] Put them in.

[419] And this is the best way.

[420] You make them sick.

[421] I'm about to give birth.

[422] Make them get sick.

[423] Confuse them, keep them poor.

[424] And then boom, it comes out of nowhere.

[425] And then what?

[426] Then they just start eating us because we're fuel.

[427] They're not going to eat us.

[428] Do you know who came up with the...

[429] Do you know that was a DARPA project?

[430] What?

[431] E -A -T -R robots.

[432] There were robots that survived on biological, air quotes, biological material.

[433] So, like, maybe they could eat plants or babies.

[434] Whatever's around.

[435] I need a friend at DARPA.

[436] I mean, they made robots that eat tissue.

[437] This is, do robots eat people?

[438] Eaters does, and it's a corpse -eating robot, yes.

[439] Bro.

[440] What?

[441] Yes.

[442] Why would you paint it playground colors?

[443] It literally will use that.

[444] Who a DARPA is like paint it like a playground set.

[445] So true.

[446] Look at it.

[447] The colors, it's ridiculous.

[448] It looks like a kid's toy.

[449] It should look like a vulture.

[450] It should be like red and black like a vulture.

[451] Yeah.

[452] It should definitely be black, red, lightning bolts on the side.

[453] A nice patina, like a ward out patina.

[454] Like it's just going through the battlefield, eating bodies.

[455] Can you imagine getting eaten by a thing that looks like a tonka tree?

[456] I imagine if you're not quite dead and it starts chewing you feet first.

[457] I mean, how does it determine whether or not you're dead?

[458] What if you can make it?

[459] What if you're just out cold?

[460] What if you got knocked out and it's like a movie?

[461] You wake up in the battlefield.

[462] I mean, there's a bunch of movies where that happens, right?

[463] You guys aren't really dead.

[464] They're just badly injured.

[465] These motherfuckers.

[466] There's a video right down below of us talking about it.

[467] So it's freaked out by Eater Robots.

[468] How this happened more than once?

[469] I'm fucking terrified of those things.

[470] Just the idea that someone made something that can eat people.

[471] Well, listen, folks, the technology that existed in, like, early cell phones, right?

[472] Like if someone made an early Motorola phone with a camera, all that stuff got into everything now.

[473] There's so many things that can take pictures now and so many phones that can take pictures.

[474] They develop one robot and one, like, proof of concept where something could be fueled on dead bodies.

[475] You don't think other people are going to make those two?

[476] You don't think they're going to get better?

[477] They're going to get better.

[478] And then when we do go to war with the robots and this big, giant, bulletproof metal ones just eating us and using us as fuel we're going to be like what have we done what have we done we've created a thing that eats people and even if it's just the baby right now that thing could evolve to become something that literally is the thing of nightmares in a stephen king movie sure where it's just running around looking for people eating people it's a black mirror episode gone wrong man or right i to me i i just like the thing about the meeting where the guy was like last night I woke up in the middle of the night I got this idea I got it y 'all what if we make a robot that devours corpses and somebody was like you know what I kind of like that Jake let's uh let's put 50 million into that project see what we could do Jesus yeah just imagine like this is the other thing man is like we we somehow imagine that that thing that made Genghis Khan, Gingas Khan is like now out of people.

[479] Like there isn't somebody on the planet right now that has the same ambition as a warlord.

[480] You know, we somehow forget that, see, I just think people don't understand that like there's this idea that the world leaders are just, you know, humanists and that there have our, you know, the interest of humanity is the first thing they're thinking about when they wake up every day.

[481] We don't know that some of them aren't interest in the same thing.

[482] Every conquering warlord has been interested, which is like, maybe we could take over the planet.

[483] I wonder if there's a way.

[484] And, you know, imagine if you ended up president of the United States or like president of Russia, president of any powerful wherever.

[485] You know, maybe when you were high one night, I don't know if they get high, but I would, you know, or maybe when you're like just like thinking, wouldn't it flicker through your mind kind of like, I wonder.

[486] if there would be a way to take over the world.

[487] I wonder if there's a way that I could become the king of earth.

[488] Because, you know, when you look up there in the sky, I'm sure there's many earths out there that have one king, one ruler, someone who conquered the entire planet, someone who figured out a way to do it to like just, why couldn't you?

[489] That's the other thing.

[490] I mean, what's stopping that from happening one day?

[491] There being one primary authority, some imperial majesty.

[492] We are all one, Duncan.

[493] I know.

[494] Yeah, if we were all one, but we just have to get rid of some of our laws.

[495] Other people are not going to accept our laws, okay?

[496] We just got to tighten that up a little bit, and we can have one ruler of the whole planet.

[497] Yeah.

[498] And we're going to fix everything by working together.

[499] We're going to evenly distribute resources.

[500] It's going to be better this way.

[501] I don't know about the distribution of resources.

[502] You're going to have to give up all of your privacy.

[503] That's all.

[504] But through that, everyone's going to be happier.

[505] Yeah.

[506] Are you in?

[507] Or are you an outside?

[508] Are you going to act like you're not in?

[509] And if you act like you're not in, then we'll find another way to hypnotize you because we'll just pretend to be people who aren't in.

[510] You know, and then we'll trick you.

[511] We'll infiltrate.

[512] Yeah.

[513] How easy is it?

[514] Yeah.

[515] That's what you do, man. That's like, that's the problem is like no matter what revolutionary idea gets out there that anybody has, the contagion of the revolutionary idea is easily war.

[516] and twisted by people who have, like, other ideas that run counter to that, you know?

[517] Like, it's so easy to confuse people who believe that Twitter, Instagram, CNN, Fox News, drudge report, Wall Street Journal, New York Times is an accurate metric of what's happening on the planet.

[518] Yeah.

[519] That's not very many information streams, man. Right.

[520] And, like, how hard would it be to infiltrate all the information streams in some small way and gradually start warping them so that people become more open to the idea of being constantly surveilled, constantly monitored, and not speaking up about it because if you speak up about it, then you're a conspiracy theorist.

[521] I got another way of looking at it that I've been thinking.

[522] What if it's just this is how life goes?

[523] What if instead of this being like some grand conspiracy by the robots or by the elites, What if this is just how systems go when one thing gets too big, is in too much power, there's no longer a struggle to survive, it's reached some stagnant point biologically in some sort of weird way.

[524] And also maybe even without, for lack of a better word, spiritually, stagnant, right?

[525] It means some people are breaking through and realizing who, you know, who they are and their connection, other people.

[526] But globally, God, there's a lot of people that are sleepwalking out there.

[527] Sleepwalking hypnotized by technology and society, and this is their big wake -up call right now.

[528] What if all this, even materialism, right?

[529] Even our obsession with technology, maybe, like, if you look at all the systems that exist in the universe, and particularly all the biological systems that exist on Earth, some of them are so spectacular, you're like what what happened here how did they do this like have you ever seen like leaf cutter ants when they take their their buildings and they pour cement in them and they realize there's these fermentation chambers and they ferment the leaves in there there's air holes out to the earth and there's all these fucking tunnels and there's this crazy elaborate city structure that's created by these ants well there's all these systems that that take place all over the earth for if there's too much plants than these the insects involved there's too many insects the plants evolve all these things happen to sort of keep some sort of a balance yeah ideas that infect people the dumb ones that are so intoxicated think about what's the some of the most intoxicating shit i mean intoxicating meaning that you're not even really getting pleasure out of it but you can't look away it's like some of the dumbest reality television right right and the fear factor you're sitting there with your mouth open like and you get sucked in to this thing that the earth is created.

[530] It's not people.

[531] What if the grand conspiracy is?

[532] It's not robots.

[533] It's not people.

[534] It's life is trying to get rid of you.

[535] Life is making it easier to survive, which makes you soft as fuck, which makes you compliant to anything that keeps you in that sort of soft, comfortable state.

[536] I don't want to ruffle any feathers.

[537] If they need to look through my emails, you let them.

[538] And all the while, it's just the world it's the universe plotting against us because there's too many of us and we've fucked up and we have too much power and we're obviously doing shit to the earth that we shouldn't be doing like look what we're doing to the ocean we're sucking every fish out we're dumping in all our fucking straws look at what we're doing a fracking where people have to move because they can't use their water and they're like well it's an acceptable outcome basically we don't need to rely on Saudi Arabia anymore but you poison these people's air.

[539] They have to move out of their fucking house.

[540] Their water's on fire.

[541] Literally their waters on fire.

[542] And maybe life is like, okay, what do we got here?

[543] Let's get a virus.

[544] Let's get them addicted to technology.

[545] Let's get a virus.

[546] Let's get them obsessed with themselves.

[547] Let's make the predominant thing that people spend their time on not reading books, not fucking walking alone with their thoughts, but staring at these pictures of other people's photos.

[548] Yeah.

[549] Selfies and butt pictures.

[550] And look at how this guy does chest.

[551] Do you ever do chest like that?

[552] Right.

[553] He gets sucked into looking at these fucking videos.

[554] And then when it's decided you're weak, it starts sending in some more problems.

[555] Boom, here's a little bit of this.

[556] Boom, here's a little bit of that.

[557] Yeah.

[558] Boom.

[559] Here's a new disease.

[560] Yeah.

[561] Boom.

[562] Here's a tsunami.

[563] Boom, here's a nuclear reactor.

[564] You can't shut down.

[565] Yeah.

[566] And then you try to figure out whether or not we're going to be.

[567] be able to use our amazing intellect to bypass our own biological switches that have us connected to this bullshit life.

[568] We have a lot of weird, dumb biological switches that were put in place back when we had to survive against incoming hordes of soldiers.

[569] And we're in the information age now.

[570] What we need to do is be sustainable in case of emergency, which we're clearly not.

[571] and we need to realize that this is temporary and when a bad thing happens it makes you realize that it makes you realize like hey I thought everything was going to be fine forever it's not this is a real just like a movie or a book we're just not prepared for it because we haven't experienced it we're like this is a once in a lifetime event no it's a once in our lifetime event our lifetime is too small for us to really get a grip it's a blink it's a blink it's a blink and this is just you know like you said dress rehearsal if anything it's a dress rehearsal for death.

[572] I mean, you're going to, that's, the thing is, is like, that blink.

[573] If you're an atheist, which, you know, I, I get that.

[574] And I think there must be some, like, deep.

[575] Do you know any atheists that have done, like, a real blowout psychedelic session?

[576] No. I know a couple.

[577] And those are the most puzzling to me. Because the guy, people have done, like, real blowout mushroom sessions or blowout DMT sessions.

[578] I always think that they would leave the door open.

[579] to the impossible because it is impossible and you experienced it it's not like even if you're imagining it i couldn't imagine that so how am i imagining that how am i imagining something in such incredible vivid color and detail and and knowledge and love and all these different things you experience in that state that state is otherworldly the fact that that is accessible at all i don't care if it's through a molecule or through a yoga session i don't care how it's accessible but the fact that that's accessible at all leaves open to me the I don't know because I didn't know that that was a thing so once I've experienced that I'm like oh well all this flat plane of existence that we take for granted that we think this is everything around us this is the whole environment you have to worry out for this might be just one fucking stage on the radio dial of experiences and of dimensions that are interacting with us we just don't have the senses to tune into them and when you can for me at least it leaves open the door for who the fuck knows who knows man I just the fact that that's a thing to there's a okay so this is a trip this this is very trippy so I got this this book called the Tibetan yoga of dream and sleep well I feel like I just like this it's fucking cool but basically it's like it's form of Tibetan Buddhism uh that invites you to explore the difference between when you think you're awake and when you're dreaming and so basically the idea is there isn't much of a difference there's like right now you're dreaming this thing you call your human incarnation it's like it's a dream and you know like when people are dying they get all delirious and shit they slide through time you know like i don't know if you've been around a dying person but they they they like suddenly they're back in vietnam they're in the 50s They're in the 30s, where, however, whatever their lifetime, which means that when you're dying, you're going to like spin through time too, meaning that this could be you dying right now, spinning backwards through time.

[580] But like in a dream.

[581] So that when you, you know, this is the main thing about it is that when we die, according to this, we sort of spend like 39 days, I think it is in a place called the bardo, which is.

[582] essentially like what it's like to have no body but still have this like I this basically like your karma your identity sort of propelling you through and that that that's how you like get your next incarnation so essentially like that's what we're dealing with here is so bizarre and surreal that it easily could just be a dream state that one of these vast AIs that already exist is having we're just processors we're just being run, it's like running a simulation of a pandemic or maybe this is a way that like an AI gets polished.

[583] Like maybe we're an AI that's being like polished and taught through this process of having a limited incarnation.

[584] You got to have that so that there's a reason for us to actually invest ourselves and stuff.

[585] Like if we were gods, if we live for a million years, eventually, we wouldn't have such a passionate relationship, I think, with the world.

[586] anyone who's going to.

[587] So you need that to train the thing up so it takes it seriously.

[588] You have to put the setting on mortal.

[589] Then maybe you just run a series of tests on the thing.

[590] You know, you start run to what is this?

[591] What have we made?

[592] What does it do in a pandemic?

[593] And by it, I mean, the sum total of all humans, which is right now disconnected.

[594] It's like a malfunctioning brain.

[595] You know what I mean?

[596] We're not connecting.

[597] But if we were being like sort of, I don't know how you put it, groomed, evolved, intense.

[598] Then every single moment in an individual's life and in a planet the planet's the life of history could be looked at as a training or an upgrade.

[599] This could be an operating system upgrade.

[600] This could be what an operating system upgrade looks like in the biocomputer that we exist in.

[601] It looks like a fucking pandemic.

[602] And that's what's happening right now is we're being like upgraded for some reason, even though it's terrifying and obviously horrific, you know, we're being upgraded.

[603] And.

[604] when you anyway the whole point is man this thing that we're in right now whether or not there's a god we just i think an atheist gets to lean into the idea that when they close their eyes and breathe their last breath it stops and i just think that's a big gamble man that's and i don't mean because you go to hell i mean how nice would that be yeah if it just stopped when more than likely it's you know the at least in this Tibetan yoga of dreaming and sleep more than likely what happens is way before you actually die when you get really sick you already start waking up into your next life you just wake you just like go through a weird dream like state called the bardo where you freak the fuck out and then you're suddenly alive in another being completely oblivious to whatever your past incarnations were and that's what we're in right now so you know i don't know this is a great time for people to start you know looking at that in one in preparing for that we didn't prepare for the fucking pandemic we didn't prepare some of y 'all did i'm sure but i didn't there's a few preppers out there listening oh yeah i was ready man i know you guys did it congrats you're ready man you were right congratulations i've got fucking hummus and strawberries and some like and but but i think that like also preparing for like the authentic apocalypse which is when you kick the fucking bucket yeah because the idea is you know and this feel feel free to light the goddamn sage again but the idea is...

[605] Humans be gone thank you the idea is that you can actually like navigate through that bardo state you can have a little bit of lucidity instead of sort of dying and like freaking out because it's a hallucinatory state you could actually have a kind of like I don't know focus through it and control your next incarnation yeah we just have to figure it out that's the thing and when you're young particularly if you're young and you don't have a lot of guidance which is me when I was younger it takes a while to figure it out because you're just running on your own right there's no you're not getting like a lot of direction to how to live your life and I moved around a lot too which really didn't help but as you get older you start getting a better sense of what makes sense and what doesn't make sense and what's important and what's not important what fucks up your life and what enhances your life but you don't live a long enough to really get it down See, if these people like David Sinclair or Aubrey de Grey, all these anti -aging geniuses that are out there that are working on all these solutions to extend human life, they ever really nail it.

[606] They really nail it.

[607] You know, if David Sinclair comes up with something and you can live 150, 250 years, by the time you're 150 years old, you're going to have so much less bullshit in your life, you're going to realize.

[608] Like, when you're 30, you'll date crazy people.

[609] You'll have moron friends that you have to bail out of jail.

[610] You'll have these problems.

[611] But when you get older, you start going, look, I see what's good for me and I see what's not good for me. You know, and I see there's some people that are not willing to change and they're not trying to do better.

[612] Right.

[613] They're just consistently making the same mistakes over and over again and dragging everyone down around them.

[614] You just got to move on from people like that in your life.

[615] When you're 150, man, you're not going to be tolerating anything.

[616] You're just going to only have cool people that you hang out with and will attract each other.

[617] And then we'll be able to work together on things, knowing that each other are sane and rational and are looking at these things honestly.

[618] They're not talking from a position of trying to convince you of their virtue or trying to talk you in a position of doing something that will benefit them financially.

[619] They're doing it just because they're just being in the moment and honest and being a human being.

[620] Yeah, man. I mean, you basically just described, like, the secret societies.

[621] I mean, you know what I mean?

[622] We need to come up with our own, which we call it.

[623] The Illuminani?

[624] No, that's too much.

[625] Well, you know, that the...

[626] If we came up with our own right now, what would we call it?

[627] Whatever it is, don't do initials, man. I hate that shit.

[628] That's not good.

[629] They can use those against you.

[630] Yeah.

[631] I don't know.

[632] What do we call it, Jamie?

[633] Children of Jamie.

[634] You know.

[635] You know.

[636] But the thing is, like, these immortal...

[637] beings that you're talking about, they do already exist, but they exist as, like, communities that have lineages attached to them.

[638] So it's like, because our physical bodies die, we don't get to do the thing you're talking about.

[639] When you're older, you do do that naturally.

[640] And plus, when you have kids, it's like, you just don't have time for bullshit anymore.

[641] There's no time to fuck around with somebody who's, like, constantly fucking up their life.

[642] You used to get drinks with or whatever.

[643] Like, you have a child and you have to, but regardless, there already is set in place on the planet these like lineages there's essentially chains of transmission in martial arts right like when you look at a martial art you're seeing a living being you know that has its roots I don't know how far it goes back when you look at yoga that's a living thing that's transferred from person to person right so I think these things already a mortality already does exist it just doesn't exist as a human And also, sometimes when I hear about these technologists trying to live forever, I get a little scared thinking, that's kind of like, you know, if you could theoretically do it, you might be locking yourself in a dream that you don't want to stay in.

[644] It gets worse.

[645] Yeah.

[646] And you can't die.

[647] You can't die.

[648] You engineer some polymer skin that's made that spider silk blend that they were trying to come up with that stronger than steel.

[649] Yeah.

[650] Remember they were doing that?

[651] There was an article about them trying to create some sort of bulletproof.

[652] skin by engineering it with spider silk?

[653] Yeah, I remember that.

[654] What if that becomes, what if that's real?

[655] What if they figure out a way to make people completely invulnerable and we live forever and then we hate it?

[656] And we didn't realize that if we just shut the lights out, we'd go to the next stage.

[657] And the next stage is amazing.

[658] Maybe that's like the big trick.

[659] The big trick is like how do you use this life and how does it take you into the next stage?

[660] Imagine if that's really what's happening.

[661] That's why every single, look, I'm not saying that this means anything, but every single religion has some place you go when it's over.

[662] Don't they?

[663] I mean, almost all of them?

[664] Yeah.

[665] I mean, that's an overlying theme.

[666] Now, you could say, well, that's just engineered to provide comfort to people because, you know, they want to feel like this life means something, but the reality is the lights just shut off.

[667] And to that, I say maybe.

[668] I say maybe, maybe, maybe.

[669] But have you ever been whacked out of your mind on psychedelics?

[670] Because if you are, you would go, who the fuck knows?

[671] because that's a who the fuck knows moment.

[672] So maybe death is a who the fuck knows moment.

[673] Maybe that's why every single religion has these stories.

[674] Not every single one, but like, look, I mean, there's a lot of religions that people have clearly just made up, right?

[675] And we know the people that made them.

[676] They count too, they don't even have to pay taxes.

[677] Yeah.

[678] So let's not get holier than that with the concept of religions.

[679] Right.

[680] So there's a lot of really dumb religions that probably don't have an afterlife.

[681] But it's just some shit that people made up, all of it.

[682] But how many people have made up this idea, that there's a place you go that's better than this.

[683] Right.

[684] I mean, is that just to make you incentivize you to be good and to be a good person?

[685] Or is it like an inherent understanding of how the universe works?

[686] It might be both things.

[687] It might also be manipulative because you can get people to comply with social norms and society's rules.

[688] If you tell them that if they don't, that God is watching them and he will smite them down and burn them forever.

[689] That is a way, that is part of a way.

[690] going to stop people from doing most shit it's just not it never has some of the most horrific things ever done by human beings were done in the name of Christianity right or many other religions but but there is something to the the possibility that it's both things that it's an understanding that when you do good in this life you will go forth into the next stage in a better place you'll feel better you'll be less burdened by the past you'll be less hampered by the failures of your your ability to adjust and your ability to live a harmonious life with people here on earth.

[691] That might be something that's real.

[692] And also, the other idea is it's not like this place that they're talking about in religions is existing after you die.

[693] The idea is like you're there right now.

[694] You just can't feel it.

[695] You're wearing a blindfold that looks like your body in your life you're wearing a blindfold that looks like your existence you're blind and that's why the there's always these stories of like jesus healing a blind man or like there's paul on the road to damascus being like blinded there's all these stories of being like already existing in what buddhism some forms of it's called fundamental goodness that's already where we're at that's the main channel but we've sort of grown like little bits of grass into the time space continuum and right now we're like waving in the wind of our karma and not not realizing there's a beneath us or through us or moving through us is a much grander more beautiful incredible things like i think when people say yeah they invented it so people be afraid it sort of imagines that these people are having one -way conversations with it you know that when they pick up the phone it's just themselves they're talking to it's not imagining that when people this divine source, it immediately says, oh, hi, yeah, this is the part of your program where you were supposed to start remembering what's really going on here and reconnecting with me. Don't worry, don't feel bad.

[696] It's okay.

[697] Everyone goes through that.

[698] In fact, you requested a disconnect for the last 15 years when you were getting hammered and imagining you were Charles Bukowski or whatever.

[699] Like, if this was all part of the plan, that was actually teaching you what happens when you don't take care of your body.

[700] Now, we're like connecting, sending a download to you, letting you know, hi, it's us.

[701] We're here.

[702] We're not mad at you.

[703] How could we be?

[704] We're infinite.

[705] We've been here since before the stars.

[706] You wanted this to happen.

[707] My apologies for cutting off your ball, killing your mom and your dad.

[708] Jesus.

[709] You know what I mean?

[710] But whatever, this is all part of a bigger thing.

[711] And I think that's, to me, what God is.

[712] It's this constant.

[713] rejuvenating, synchronistic perfection that becomes increasingly perfect, and it exists simultaneous to this seemingly imperfect universe.

[714] And it's always there for you to connect to at any moment.

[715] And when people smoke DMT, certainly that's one of the avenues.

[716] And that's a beautiful thing.

[717] So I think the reason for it is not to scare people.

[718] It's more so that people become like fountains for that.

[719] And in some small way, become a little droplet.

[720] or like divine bits of perspiration bubbling up into this place so that folks who are really freaking out right now are worried or scared or disconnected could have at least the chance to reconnect.

[721] Because listen, man, if I was God wanting to get blasted, if I was some divine being wanting to get high, and Alan Watts has a beautiful lecture on this, I really do think at some point I would want to cut off all connection to the realization of my divinity and experience infinite lifetimes and it's on a planet and a tumultuous planet and experience every incarnation and all of it to get an understanding of what it is like to be extremely limited.

[722] And what would this do?

[723] It would just add to my data banks.

[724] It would just help me increasingly become more and more beautiful and perfect, which seems to be what we're in right now.

[725] It's like we have a limited data set based on our neurology.

[726] We can't see certain colors.

[727] We can't hear certain colors.

[728] We can't hear certain sounds.

[729] We don't know what happened 20 ,000 years ago.

[730] We don't know what happens five seconds from now.

[731] And so this is a perfect place to be in what's in becoming, to know what it is to become and to be limited.

[732] And this is, who knows, man, it's just something sniffing data.

[733] You know, it's something just like, you know, it's like snorting our lives.

[734] Like the universe is snorting our lives on time and on the mirror of time well it's the big thing right that keeps us from seeing that the one thing that all psychedelics have in common is the dissolving of the ego they all dissolve the ego what's that word dissolution disillusion yeah dissolution dissolution of the ego that what's happening with all of them is it removes all this nonsense narrative in your head everyone's ego has this nonsense view of the world that's based on them being the most important thing and that you know all the shit that they're thinking about right now is of the utmost important needs to be done right now that's why people run red lights you can't even wait you can't even wait you fuck it's one thing if it's a medical emergency kids being born someone's got a broken leg and you just you got to get to the hospital right away I get it I 100 % get it but there's some people that just want to be they just want to make that left turn they don't give a fuck of the light change they want to cut in front of you make that turn even block traffic because they think more about themselves than they do about other people And that's a side effect of this life that's been set up.

[735] But it's almost like maybe that's how it works.

[736] Maybe the life creates challenges when there are no challenges.

[737] And the challenges are it just tries to diminish you.

[738] It tries to see if you're paying attention.

[739] It tries to weaken you and make you stupid and turns you into a fucking zombie.

[740] If you walked into any restaurant, any restaurant during lunchtime and you see people on their phones, it's like, this is bonkers.

[741] If this was anything else that where half the room, was using an electronic and staring into it for long moments at a time, not interacting with the person across with them.

[742] That becomes almost the norm that at least 50 % of the people and everyone's interrupted everybody.

[743] Like, you know, they're all just barely paying attention to each other.

[744] Well, they haven't developed the muscle.

[745] I mean, it's a muscle.

[746] People just assume that the ability to have a conversation is a natural part of being an adult, but it's like you i think that's atrophying in a lot of people to the point now where i just try to be you know as i guess is like i just have lowered my expectations yeah to the point of like i don't know how many people can pay attention that much and i know i'm certainly distracted but doesn't it feel fucking weird even if you're just watching tv with somebody and they pull their phone out and start looking at it oh it's so weird it's like it's like the energy immediately downships the moment that it's like if you're watching a movie with someone and they're over there on their phone like come on yeah watch the goddamn movie with me yeah even though we're not talking doesn't mean we're not connecting it's weird it's weird it's weird even fights if you watch fights with your friends they're on their phone all the time it's like are you not even watching these fights you can feel it yeah that's what you know at the Denver comedy works they've got the Dave Chappelle yeah so like I was listening do you ever listen to an audience that doesn't have access to their phones before show.

[747] They're so mad.

[748] The one, no, they want, they, motherfucker, this, no, it's, they talk to each other.

[749] Yeah, it's like, it's like the sound is better.

[750] It's a better sound out there.

[751] It's a different murmur than a phone murmur from a crowd.

[752] So, yeah, I don't know, man. I think that.

[753] I think life presents all sorts of adversity, and some adversity doesn't feel like adversity.

[754] It's sneaky.

[755] And that's what cell phones are.

[756] That's what technology is.

[757] And that's certainly what social media is.

[758] You only realize what social media truly can do when it comes at you.

[759] You know, you get canceled or there's a bunch of people who are tweeting mean stuff to you.

[760] Then you realize like, oh, these are horrible feelings.

[761] Right.

[762] This feeling of being attacked by this thing that's been grooming me. Yeah, it's like, what is that?

[763] Like, well, if the Earth was trying to get rid of us, if the Earth had decided that there's an infection that doesn't think it's an infection, And it thinks it's so important that it should be allowed to pollute everything around it.

[764] It should be allowed to scab up the earth with giant concrete bandages.

[765] I mean, that's what we're doing.

[766] We're putting these things everywhere that cover up all the ground, displace all the life.

[767] And then we shut off the light so we can't recognize that we're in space.

[768] I mean, the whole recipe is perfect.

[769] Yeah.

[770] It's perfect for charming us to sleep.

[771] Every aspect of it.

[772] the ego part, the, you know, the fact that it exists, the fact that we have this biological imperative to stay alive and breed, and then keep our DNA alive.

[773] And there's all these things that are set into you to make sure that that happens all the while where you recognize you definitely are a finite life form.

[774] Right.

[775] But yet you do something you hate every day.

[776] Yeah.

[777] You just keep doing it.

[778] Yeah.

[779] You do something you don't enjoy.

[780] And when you get into reincarnation, which I love, that thing you're doing that you don't enjoy.

[781] joy you've been doing that for infinite lifetimes it's that's called your clashes it's your sort of um it's like underneath your identity it's basically your code that's your tendencies i guess is the way you put it so like you know if you have the tendency to lose your temper then that's something that you've been dealing with for infinite lifetimes and it never ever goes away until you start waking up Because the idea is to just go from being this set of conditioned responses, reactions to your environment, to being something that's like lucid living.

[782] You know, if you weren't a lucid dreaming, try lucid living, you know, which is the practice, I would say, of like, first, under, what are your habituations?

[783] You know, like the other day, I was sitting on the couch.

[784] I took my sock off and I spun it like a lasso and threw it across the room.

[785] and my wife looks at me, she's like, what was that?

[786] I'm like, oh my God.

[787] Holy shit.

[788] That's how I've been taking my socks off for years.

[789] And I didn't even know it.

[790] I pull him off, lasso him, and sling.

[791] And like that, just that little thing, I didn't even know I was doing something so well.

[792] I've probably been doing that since I was a kid.

[793] Like I probably saw some cool kid lasso with socks and throw it.

[794] And I'm like, I'm going to start fucking lasso.

[795] on my socks.

[796] But like how many other things are you doing that are just like that, that are just pure habituation, pure reactivity?

[797] And this is where you run into some scary shit, man, which is what Jaron Lanier.

[798] God, I wish you could get him on.

[799] You know that guy is?

[800] What say his name?

[801] Jaron Lanier.

[802] I feel like I've heard that name.

[803] He is.

[804] What does he do?

[805] He's an author.

[806] He developed all this VR technology.

[807] He was in Silicon Valley.

[808] and it's when it was just starting working on VR before the technology was even there to have VR goggles.

[809] He was like building, I think he like and helped his group help build I think it might be the Oculus Rift.

[810] I'm sorry fans of his out there who are upset.

[811] I don't know the...

[812] But some VR system.

[813] Yeah, he's and he's like his he's written a lot of great books.

[814] One of them, 12 reasons to get out or 10 reasons to get off your social media now.

[815] Really?

[816] Yeah.

[817] He wrote a book called that?

[818] Yep.

[819] How did he say his name again?

[820] Jaron Lanier.

[821] Jaron.

[822] Sharon Lanier.

[823] Freaking brilliant human man. But, you know, what's the name of the book?

[824] It's called 10 or 12, I can't remember, 12 reasons to get off your social media now or delete your account, something like that.

[825] There's a book of his I like better than that called The Dawn of the New Everything.

[826] But, and that's just him sort of like talking about what was like working in Silicon Valley back then and his sort of opinions on this stuff.

[827] white guy with dreadlocks?

[828] Yeah, look.

[829] Well, no. I think people do judge his meat body, but um...

[830] His meat body?

[831] Well, his physical appearance or whatever.

[832] Oh, is he a large fellow?

[833] He's fucking brilliant, man. Oh, I believe it.

[834] Listen, man, there's a lot of brilliant people with wacky hair.

[835] Yeah, yeah.

[836] It's okay to have...

[837] I'm defending him because I'm like a...

[838] I love him.

[839] Is those bagpipes?

[840] What's happening with this guy?

[841] He's playing pipes.

[842] Who cares?

[843] He's a genius.

[844] I don't care what he But this is just quite a few photos of him with pipes God damn it I didn't see the pipe photos Who cares I didn't see the pipe photos When we say pipes we should say Like the kind you blow on like flutes and pipes And okay I didn't see that There's a lot of them bro He looks real spiritual Don't look at it for getting Please put that picture back up Because there's very few things In life that I love more Than white guys with dreadlocks With their eyes closed Playing the flute There's very few things in life that make me feel like, man. Dude, if I had that picture of me online, I would want people to turn off their social media, too.

[845] Yeah, that's my guy.

[846] Here's a new flute with him, eyes closed.

[847] Who cares?

[848] He plays a flute.

[849] He plays a flute.

[850] I bet he's amazing at it.

[851] I'm sure he's great.

[852] Nothing wrong with what he's doing.

[853] I think it's amazing.

[854] I wish I could play a flute.

[855] What the fucking flute?

[856] He's playing another flute.

[857] Look at that flute.

[858] That's a dope -looking flute, though.

[859] What is that flute?

[860] That flute is dope.

[861] That flute is dope.

[862] God, dear.

[863] Listen, flute sound cool, and I'm not being disingenuous.

[864] I'm not being sarcastic.

[865] Flute sound cool.

[866] I wish I got, what is that thing, though?

[867] That needs to go away.

[868] It's like a zither.

[869] He's in the Hobbit.

[870] He's in the movie The Hobbit.

[871] He's in the movie The Hobbit.

[872] He's in the fucking pub, and he's playing that thing in the back because they haven't figured out real music yet.

[873] Sir, I'm only joking.

[874] I appreciate your contributions.

[875] I'm just joking.

[876] I'm sure you're brilliant.

[877] Duncan's one of my favorite people.

[878] He's brilliant.

[879] I'm just joking.

[880] Look, if you want to, listen, you play the flute, all you want to.

[881] The kind of people that are like super intelligent.

[882] and whacked out on, you know, technology.

[883] I think something like the flute would be an amazing way to decompress.

[884] Right.

[885] An organic, I mean, you're literally using your body to make a sound with air and tubes.

[886] He plays.

[887] It's amazing.

[888] He said he plays like 100 instruments or something.

[889] Sure.

[890] He's just some kind of genius, but he, here's the scary thing he said, which is, if, like, B .F. Skinner's right.

[891] and you know pretty much if you can control the thing's environment you can control it this is the reason to be terrified of AI because you know the more advanced than AI gets like you know where our assumption is the thing's going to eat us or kill us or whatever it might just gradually hypnotize us and by and hypnotize us by creating more and more enticing things that grab our attention hacks our neurology and begins to like just do things that are completely impossible to not look at.

[892] And that, you know, when you're saying an AI, you know, advise the pandemic, what if that, you know, that how do you look away from a pandemic?

[893] All of our nervous systems right now are completely fixated on every tremor, every ripple, every little data point that flies across our screens.

[894] We are so absorbed in it right now.

[895] We are locked in like cats chasing laser pointers.

[896] And that is what he said we should be most afraid of.

[897] Is that these things eventually could get to the point of completely grabbing us.

[898] And what you were saying earlier is kind of maybe that's what already happened.

[899] Maybe that is a process.

[900] Maybe it's a process that's not even put in place by anything other than life itself.

[901] The life itself has these systems set up, so no one thing ever totally dominates, and when it does, they find ways into it.

[902] And then it's this constant state of chaos that produces better and better life forms.

[903] Right.

[904] That's what it is.

[905] I mean, if you want to admit or you want to state that we are better than our ancient ancestors, the pre -Homo sapiens, I think we're better.

[906] They might have been stronger than us, but we've created more.

[907] as a species, I think it's better to be a person than it is to be a pre -person, right?

[908] I think as it goes on and on, we're going to think the same way.

[909] I think the next stage of existence is going to be so happy.

[910] It's not a person running around, letting their dick think for them, and fucking getting drunk all the time and crashing their motorcycle and, you know, all the dumb shit that people do, all of the dumb shit, from alcohol and drug abuse to its fucked up relationships to everything we do to lying and stealing and being selfish all that shit we'd be so happy if that all went away oh my god those dude the pre -humans used to eat each other's babies they were always fucking stealing and robbing they couldn't talk they couldn't express love who the fuck would want to be that right and then the humans the humans were so full of shit they were all addicted to their phones they didn't even see it coming the phone snuck in their life they welcomed them with new versions every year, paying for their own demise.

[911] Happily.

[912] And they were all angry and bitter and mean and jealous and fucking thoughtless and polluting.

[913] And then the next stage came along.

[914] And they eliminated all that.

[915] And we all live in harmony.

[916] Now we're all gravel.

[917] No, now we're all.

[918] Isn't it great to be a gravel, pebble?

[919] We're all space.

[920] Yeah.

[921] Or just.

[922] We're all part of the next.

[923] Yeah.

[924] And we already are.

[925] I mean, I think probably we already are that.

[926] But I mean, to me, I think that whatever's happening, you just have to make it a good thing.

[927] Like whether or not it is a good thing or not, that's if there is something great about humans, is that we're capable of alchemizing phenomena in a way that it doesn't completely drive us nuts or paralyzes.

[928] That's any thing that's happening.

[929] to you can be converted into something either that's going to make you scared, self -destructive, rationalize your anger, rationalize your shitty decisions, or it can be used as a thing that completely, quote, converts you, completely shifts your method or way of living.

[930] And that's what's beautiful about a human.

[931] Is there any given moment you can do that?

[932] Like at any given moment you can shed your operating system theoretically you could drop all of the hangups all the weird shit are you jerking off three times a day you could maybe take it down to two times the day are you drinking every single night you can you can stop that and to me that's like yeah the future beings whatever they are i hope one of the qualities or one of the things they look back at is like, holy shit, those poor things had no idea how powerful they were.

[933] They were sleepwalking when they could have at any moment connected to the great truth, the divine, the glory of all things, and could have theoretically any one of them, just one of them, could have converted the entire planet into up -leveled, up -resonased, up -consciousness, utopia.

[934] But they all were sleepwalking.

[935] And then finally, somebody woke up, for real.

[936] And I don't know.

[937] Maybe it's a, I don't know what that looks like.

[938] Well, maybe what looks like is what this is happening.

[939] What is happening right now with this virus where everybody's being forced indoors and forced to stop work.

[940] It's a terrible thing for people financially.

[941] But it is, in a sense, a reset button.

[942] It's a real reset button.

[943] To know that this shitty job that you hate.

[944] going to could go away at any moment because all jobs could go away at any moment is a real wake -up call because even the good jobs are going away right if you're in san francisco you have the best job in the world guess what you can't even go there right you might have the best job you're so fucking pumped to go to work every day you can't go you can't go so that can be taken away from you too so if you're living a bullshit life like recognize that all of this for everybody could go away right if yellow stone blows, half the people die.

[945] Right.

[946] Easily.

[947] Easily.

[948] Maybe more.

[949] Maybe more.

[950] And that motherfucker could easily go.

[951] Sure.

[952] We need these little catastrophes sometimes just to let us understand that the window of time that we've been existing in that's been relatively free of disaster is unique.

[953] And that's not normal.

[954] Normal is madness.

[955] Normal is we're in the middle of a fucking shooting gallery, spending a thousand miles an hour, fireball that's normal and every now and then shit flies into our atmosphere and wrecks havoc this is why I love hollow earth theory man you ever get into that shit do you ever get into is that for people to get kicked out of the flat earth society yeah hollow flat earth people look down on hollow earth but hollow earth hollow earth is like to me my favorite of them all because to like if the idea is like yeah humans have been on the planet for a long time time and if we want to go into like the cool idea of the Atlanteans and advanced civilizations at some point if you can't create a way to protect from the meteor impacts and you're looking to create a sustaining civilization you're going to want to go in there man and so to me it's such a fucking cool idea that in the core of the earth is another sun that has an advanced civilization that hasn't been disrupted by the shit that happens on the surface of the planet.

[956] It turns the earth into a spaceship.

[957] Inside the spaceship are these advanced beings.

[958] And outside the spaceship, it's like a celestial fungus that's like growing outside.

[959] It's just, or it's like another way to put it would be outside the spaceship is Mad Max.

[960] Like covering outside the spaceship is just a bunch of like, you know, us that are inside the thing who have basically been completely disrupted over and over and over again.

[961] So they have no idea what history is.

[962] They have no idea where the planet came from.

[963] They don't know anything.

[964] And now we've sort of grown out of control all around the ship.

[965] And so this kind of shit that's happening is like turning on the windshield wipers.

[966] It's like, hey, man, you got humans on you.

[967] You know that, right, man?

[968] You're like crawling with them.

[969] Oh, fuck.

[970] Wipe them out.

[971] Get rid of them.

[972] Let's just scrub the fucking surface.

[973] Do with some earthquakes.

[974] Yellowstone is just a windshield wiper for the people who live inside the planet.

[975] Well, you know what humans are, man?

[976] really a vector for ideas yeah it's ideas that change everything the humans just do the work of the ideas what what we are we're the first thing that can manipulate our environment that has ideas we're the first thing with ideas all these other animals they had instincts right they had ideas in terms of like trying to figure out the best patterns to acquire food how to sneak up on birds yeah but if you think cats have ideas well guess what they all have the same fucking idea Cats aren't inventing shit They're not inventing things There's a specific kind of idea That's unique to a human being Regardless of the sentience of other animals Ours is unique in that it allows us to make stuff Not just little things We can make gigantic machines That travel into space And all the wild creations of human beings All came out of ideas We think it's all humans But true We are the ones that put forward But if you're a thing that wants to get born and you need a host you get that curious ape that's just been trying to figure out better ways to stab its neighbor with a spear get that thing and slowly infect it with ideas ideas of new stuff to make and then it goes out and does the work for you and then you take over the earth the ideas have taken over the earth the people are just the toys the ideas now if instead of ideas you said demons i mean that's that's literally what people used to think think was happening to folks when they did terrible things.

[977] They had bad ideas.

[978] They acted on those bad ideas and ancient religions thought of those ideas like they were demons, like these people were possessed.

[979] There was a common thought that someone's possessed by a demon.

[980] We're all possessed by ideas and some possessed by them more than others.

[981] Like Elon Musk is particularly haunted.

[982] He's possessed by ideas.

[983] Swarms of ideas.

[984] And what does he do?

[985] Well, look at what he's done.

[986] He's one guy that's probably had more of an impact on our perception of what the future holds in terms of technology than any other one individual human being that is widely known of like he is a famous human like he is i mean he's doing tesla which is the most advanced electric cars in the world they're insane yeah then he's doing this fucking loop thing right the hyper or the um the boring project where he's boring he's doing the hyperloop he's doing the boring project he's making tunnels under la and vegas and you're going to to be able to shoot through those tunnels going 120 miles an hour.

[987] Then he's making rockets that shoot up in the space.

[988] Oh, and solar power too.

[989] Like, what?

[990] How is one guy doing all this?

[991] What's going on there?

[992] Well, that guy's infected by ideas.

[993] That guy probably has a huge receptor and ideas have clung on to him.

[994] Just like some girls have big tits.

[995] Some people have crazy parts of their brain that soaks in ideas.

[996] And it's no rhyme or reason to why.

[997] But what they are is an antenna for ideas.

[998] Those ideas come up and you're like, wow, I'm glad I thought of that.

[999] And then you go to work on fracking.

[1000] You've got to work on all kinds of different crazy things that change the world forever.

[1001] Whoever invented Fukushima, right?

[1002] He's like, ah, I'll figure out how to shut it off when that time comes.

[1003] We'll figure it out.

[1004] No one ever does.

[1005] But that person talked people or that group of people whose ideas all coincided, talked people into building a gigantic nuclear furnace that you can never shut off.

[1006] Yeah.

[1007] How crazy is that?

[1008] That's crazy.

[1009] It's crazy.

[1010] scan the skies from meteor impacts, but we have no way to scan human consciousness for some incoming ideas.

[1011] Yeah.

[1012] Because some ideas coming in are going to be great, but there's going to be a few that are really bad ideas.

[1013] Like, you know, Hitler, he had an idea.

[1014] And it was a bad fucking idea.

[1015] And he implemented that terrible idea.

[1016] That idea was just floating in the astral plane, gradually just shooting towards Hitler's That idea is fueled by an ecosystem.

[1017] And just like you're fueled by nutrients, right?

[1018] Human beings are fueled by plants and fish and animals and vitamins and all these different things.

[1019] Well, these ideas are fueled.

[1020] They're fueled by insecurity and ego and lust and greed and jealousy and anger and virtue and love and prosperity and comfort and community.

[1021] and all those different components of human consciousness all interact with this idea.

[1022] So the idea becomes like it just hitches a ride.

[1023] It hitches a ride with all these ideas that already exist in your brain.

[1024] And then with these pre -existing structures like businesses and warehouses and all these different things that we use to make stuff and then ship it out, then the idea becomes a thing.

[1025] And then the idea winds up in the belly of a seagull because it looks like a fish.

[1026] Whoops, sorry, you're dead.

[1027] You're dead, seagull.

[1028] You couldn't figure out.

[1029] out that that's a bottle cap, not a fish.

[1030] And that this is how things change.

[1031] They don't just change because of people.

[1032] We're blaming ourselves.

[1033] And it is definitely us that's doing the work.

[1034] But it's all coming out of ideas.

[1035] If we thought of ideas as a life force, instead of thinking ideas is like something you own, something you hold.

[1036] But even though you do deserve credit for your ideas, because you're disciplined to sit down and try to cultivate these ideas, accelerates the production of those ideas and exercises the muscle through which those ideas come through focus and energy so you deserve credit for it i'm not this is not a socialist way of looking at it but everybody that has an idea that's really good will tell you it's like it came out of nowhere like every great bit that you've ever had it's like pop a light bulb goes off and you have this thought and it comes out of nowhere right that's like most things that you write that are really cool they kind of come out of nowhere yeah you just sit there and then also you think of things and you write them out.

[1037] They're like, they're an idea that you're wrestling.

[1038] You just catch them.

[1039] You just catch them.

[1040] Well, man, this is, this is why I love collaborating with people, because the more people you collaborate with, you instead of just using your own brain as the net to catch these ideas, when you have a group of people sharing whatever the intention may be, whether it's to make like flesh -eating robots or to cure cancer or whatever, then that becomes this like amazing amazing a solar panel for like big ideas you know so i mean this is to me the weirdest thing about when you're working with a group of people or collaborating with people if you know someone's off you will sink to that level but if you're you know when you're around funny people you get funnier yes you know when you're around like people who can draw you can draw a little better it's like something about being in a group sure share you know what i'm talking about yeah that works that way with martial arts.

[1041] Really?

[1042] It works that way with pool.

[1043] When you watch people play pool that are really good you can play better.

[1044] If you're a player, like you see someone play really good, you realize like things that they do and you see them and you emulate them and then you can do it.

[1045] We feed off each other in that respect.

[1046] I think that's a big argument for why the comedy store is so good because there's so many great comics there and we all feed off each other.

[1047] That's right.

[1048] If you're going on after Jesselnik, you're like, fuck, that guy's so good.

[1049] That's so funny.

[1050] And it like, it elevates everybody.

[1051] That's right.

[1052] If you're there with Delia or Joey or you or you or you know Sebastian like fuck man how am I so lucky Ali Wong and Whitney and Eliza like you're working with some of the best people in the country the people that are killing it all over the country one of my and Tom and I mean I keep going on and on and on and then they're helping you punch up jokes yeah I got off stage it one of my favorite memories there and Jeff Garland and Whitney Cummings are helping me punch up a joke and I'm sitting I'm just thinking like what the fuck this is like Hogwarts how am I getting how are these two people who are brilliantly funny and you know helping refine some like ridiculous just dumb jokes do you ever still have imposter syndrome yeah yeah me too everybody does I think oh I'm so glad you admit it man that's powerful yeah I don't get it as much anymore but it still do it's still I particularly used to get it with famous people yeah you know I get it well I was around famous people I always felt weird like oh my god i'm not supposed to be around these people yeah they're too famous they're real famous i'm just fake famous right you know i it's a weird uh insecurity that pops up but i think for you it's like you know when we first became friends you were the guy we answered the phone at the store yeah and that's really those those crazy conversations that you and i had when i would call and to give my avails we would talk to the phone for a fucking hour sometimes i know about wacky shit but that those sort of those kind of interactions that you have with people that they shape like they shape they shape what you are that's right you know and the more people that you have in your life that are like that are interesting that you like you feed off and you you can have good ideas we could engineer a society that's way better that doesn't have all the pitfalls but we all have to pull our own weight it's like there's a problem in the society where there's there's siphoning off of money, right?

[1053] There's massive moving and exchanging of money in some weird way with like banks and mutual funds and all that stuff.

[1054] It's like, what are you guys doing?

[1055] Like, what is how are you so rich?

[1056] Like, just moving money around?

[1057] Like, that's sort of, that system, since they run the financial system, that sort of idea of how everything gets distributed is kind of hijacked.

[1058] Because they kind of run the system when we all are in the system and we all clearly benefit from the system is the best system we know of.

[1059] But still, there's some people that are doing some wacky things with the system, and they have giant yachts and, like, they own 50 buildings.

[1060] But if that wasn't the case, if it was a more fair distribution, not meaning that you shouldn't be rewarded for your work, but that you can't just kind of hijack money the way bankers can.

[1061] Right.

[1062] You can't just kind of, there's so much weirdness about using money to make money, and that's all you do.

[1063] You're moving money around.

[1064] Yeah.

[1065] what are you doing you don't even have a real job right i mean you have a real job like you're not making a thing right you're not writing a thing you're not you're not teaching a thing yeah you're just moving monies around you decide this company sucks i'm gonna fucking bet on this one like whoa and those are the people oftentimes that have the most exorbitant amounts of money that it's not saying that they shouldn't have a lot of money they figured something out i'm saying that the system as it exists that it would allow someone to make that much fucking money from things is a little crazy crazy it's a little crazy it's not saying you shouldn't be able to get ahead not saying you shouldn't be able to kick ass not saying you shouldn't be able to acquire an extraordinary amount of wealth I'm just saying I don't know if that makes sense to keep that sort of banking system to keep in place the way it is to keep the stock market in place what is it what it's based on confidence like what are they doing they're moving numbers around they're buying and selling and things are getting and, oh, it's not worth as much anymore because this happened.

[1066] Oh, my God, sell, sell, sell.

[1067] Well, a lot of people are shorting it.

[1068] What are you going to do?

[1069] I'm going to buy these fucking idiots.

[1070] They're wrong.

[1071] Apple's coming back.

[1072] And you're just moving money around.

[1073] Like, what a wacky way to run an economy.

[1074] Yeah, man. A bunch of fucking pill heads.

[1075] Yeah.

[1076] It's like, well, I used to know these fucking kids from high school that one guy that I delivered newspapers with that went on to become a stockbroker.

[1077] That guy was always doing Coke.

[1078] Really?

[1079] He was a madman.

[1080] He was a madman.

[1081] Well, that would be, I mean, it would probably be fun to be, like, blasted on blow, like, buying stocks.

[1082] But I would, yeah, I just love the pictures on the stock exchange whenever it's crashing.

[1083] Who are those fucking dudes?

[1084] Like, it always cuts to, like, the guy who's ties kind of pulled down and he's like, ah!

[1085] Dude.

[1086] Who are they?

[1087] What are the?

[1088] What is that?

[1089] I don't know.

[1090] But until my friend, who was a wild man, became a stockbroker, I didn't think of stockbroker.

[1091] like that.

[1092] I thought stockbrokers were like super nerd genius guys that are figuring things out and counting and selling and they're paying attention to all the markets and moving.

[1093] I didn't know they were animals.

[1094] Like stock market guys are fucking savages.

[1095] Right.

[1096] And then the Wolf of Wall Street came along and people like what?

[1097] Well yeah, that's like my friend.

[1098] That's my friend.

[1099] These are the type of people that are like they have a big impact on the stock market.

[1100] Yeah.

[1101] People like that fucking, that crazy asshole that went to jail.

[1102] What the fuck's his name?

[1103] Madoff, Bernie Madoff.

[1104] People like that guy.

[1105] Like, what the fuck, man?

[1106] You're just lying to people?

[1107] Yeah.

[1108] You weren't even investing anything?

[1109] No. Oh, my God.

[1110] Like, those type of crazy assholes, there's so many of those in finance.

[1111] It's amazing.

[1112] I mean, there's great people in finance.

[1113] Don't get me wrong.

[1114] There's people that follow the rules.

[1115] There's people that are wonderful human beings that also exist in that chaotic world.

[1116] But it also attracts a lot of fucking sociopaths.

[1117] Yeah, well, isn't that the idea is that, like, The sociopath personality type is going to do better in certain industries.

[1118] Yeah, because you're going to be cutthroat.

[1119] Yeah, you've got to be, yeah, you just have to look at other people as being things you manipulate.

[1120] Dude, man, I feel like a dick.

[1121] Can I show you this thing for my show?

[1122] Fuck you.

[1123] Okay, cool.

[1124] Why would you feel like a dick?

[1125] Because, you know, you.

[1126] That was part of the thing.

[1127] I know, man, but I, you know, plug, you know, that kind of like, yeah, here's a clip in my show.

[1128] But I'm proud of this fucking thing, man. Should we spark up one more time before?

[1129] we see it yeah you feel like we should yeah you should have a lighter on your side don't you no here i have a lighter thank you i'm not gonna touch that oh yeah i'm scared of a light right now i just know all the people are like he's tanned his mask wrong he's already i know it doesn't work i've got a beard it doesn't work anyway uh man yeah there's a lot of people out there that will critique your technique and lighting joints really all right they could critique everything i think I have one of the best joint lighting techniques in the Los Angeles.

[1130] I think the problem is listening to them.

[1131] The problem is not them saying it.

[1132] The problem is if you, like, tune in to all the stuff.

[1133] Chappelle's got it right.

[1134] He doesn't do anything.

[1135] He's got no social media at all.

[1136] Man's a genius.

[1137] You don't want to get contaminated.

[1138] He's just got it locked into what he's doing, just constantly doing shows.

[1139] He was doing shows pretty late up until the cancellation.

[1140] I did, I forget the last day I did a show.

[1141] man i think it was uh i think it was i think it was i don't remember but by friday everything was canceled by friday we were like we can't do this yeah i remember talking to you about that man i was fucking weird sucks the comedy stores shut down man that's like yeah but it had to it had to and for everybody that's skeptical it's really about old folks and folks that are immune compromised i mean if you look at idris elba on his uh twitter page That guy, first of all, that guy's a stud.

[1142] I mean, that guy had a lot of respect for that guy because not only he's a badass actor, but he also had a real Muay fight.

[1143] He had a real amateur moitai fight.

[1144] He was training Muay and he got into it as a fucking huge movie star, and it's a real fight.

[1145] If you watch it, they're really fighting.

[1146] Really?

[1147] Yes, yeah, it's fucking...

[1148] What movie is this?

[1149] Not a movie.

[1150] I don't know what he trained.

[1151] He trained it probably for...

[1152] He was in James Bond, right?

[1153] Wasn't he...

[1154] He's done a shit ton of movies.

[1155] He's definitely done movies where he had to fuck people up.

[1156] So he probably trained martial arts for that or maybe he just enjoyed doing it, but he really got into Muay Thai and he actually had a fight and he looked good.

[1157] He looked good.

[1158] He looked like a really good amateur, you know, and he fought hard.

[1159] It was a real battle between him and this other guy.

[1160] But he has it and he's been doing these videos updating and talking to people on his Twitter.

[1161] And he seems fine.

[1162] He seems fun, but he's really healthy.

[1163] He's a robust, healthy, well -kept man. He takes care of himself.

[1164] Same as a lot of these NBA players that supposedly have it.

[1165] A lot of them are asymptomatic.

[1166] We're not worried about them.

[1167] I'm like that.

[1168] Old people.

[1169] We're worried about people that are overweight, people that smoke cigarettes.

[1170] But this is a wake -up call to a way worse disease.

[1171] Like if this was the avian flu, if this was something that killed 60 % of the people, like, you know, there's an article in the Atlantic about this.

[1172] I think it's where I found out that the avian flu killed, like, it was like 60%.

[1173] The one that they killed, all the chicken.

[1174] in the early 2000s, it was 60 % fatality rate.

[1175] So if you got it, it was more likely to kill you than not kill you.

[1176] Jesus Christ.

[1177] Yeah, and they got rid of that one pretty quick.

[1178] But that kind of one is what we've got to be really worried about.

[1179] This one we have to be worried about for our older folks and our folks that aren't doing well.

[1180] But it's a good wake -up call.

[1181] It's good.

[1182] Look, no one responded perfectly.

[1183] No one in terms of no cities, no countries, no one did.

[1184] But everybody got caught off guard.

[1185] We have to realize everybody got caught off guard.

[1186] We didn't know.

[1187] The only way they really know that something like this is going to happen is that it happens and then there has to be a response.

[1188] So now we're going to get better at figuring out what to do.

[1189] So my hope is that we get through this and then it makes us a little nicer to each other.

[1190] And then we also realize, okay, we have to have a plan in place in case a really bad one happens.

[1191] And we have to figure out what steps can be done to make sure that it doesn't happen again.

[1192] Right.

[1193] Yeah, man. I mean, this is, that is definitely what, I mean, if we needed something like this, I wish it wasn't something that is going to kill a lot of people's grandparents.

[1194] And I wish it was something, something a little less, but damn, you're totally right, man, because it's been a long time since we've had to, as a planet, deal with a problem at this level.

[1195] And it's, it's teaching us that there is a global civilization.

[1196] teaching us that we are interconnected and it's definitely inviting us to reprioritize our lives man because holy shit and there's consequences to living in a way that you don't feel are healthy or ethical right like one of the reasons why they have those ag gag laws we're not allowed to film factory farms it's because because people would find it horrific right and that that would be bad for business well that's not how we're supposed to look at it see that is that's that's a symptom of terrible thinking right it's supposed to be the opposite way we're supposed to make it so that it's not horrific to look at right we're supposed to make it so that it's not this terrible thing now that's the difference between doing things that are that feel natural and doing things that are horrific and the horrific ones are the ones where all the diseases are coming from if you think about these farming operations like let's just think about these wet markets when you got all these animals in the open air piled on top of each other dead animals laying on a plate dead animals laying on a table some laid stretched out on the floor and you have them all over the place you're going to have problems there's going to be air and heat and bacteria's going to mix with each other and then it creates things that's what happened with the avian flu that happened in animal agriculture swine flu same thing these fucking flus these horrible bugs a lot of them come from animals you don't think it was a Buy a weapon?

[1197] No, I don't think so.

[1198] I don't think so.

[1199] I think the real fear, if you talk to all the experts, the real fear is an actual known thing jumping from animal to human.

[1200] That's what this is.

[1201] Yeah, when we were at the CDC down in Galveston.

[1202] I'll never forget it.

[1203] I'll never forget it either.

[1204] Scariest fucking interview ever of all the, not just that show, just of all time, sitting with that, I wish I could remember his name, the guy ran the head of the place.

[1205] Didn't we have some crazy flight to we flew in and we didn't have any sleep?

[1206] Dude, we missed a flight because we got.

[1207] Stone and we talked at the airport and we talked for like a fucking hour and a half and then suddenly we're like oh fuck our flight that's right we didn't just miss it by like five minutes either we missed it by like 20 30 minutes and we were at the airport and it was empty at the airport and we're like oh fuck man we've you there's a we have to tape this show tomorrow you remember yeah so we had a fly different flight and we like barely got an hour sleep right I think there I think one of us might have had some metaphanal.

[1208] Oh, that's right.

[1209] We took that stuff.

[1210] Yeah, that stuff, if you've never, like, new vigil, if you've never had, or pro -vigil or new vigil, I think they're real similar.

[1211] I don't remember which one I've used.

[1212] I think pro -vigil is what I used.

[1213] No, new vigil, that's what I used.

[1214] Definitely, the new one.

[1215] And it doesn't, it's not speed.

[1216] No. But it definitely gives the energy and it keeps you awake in the weirdest way.

[1217] But you're making an agreement.

[1218] Like, okay, here's my agreement.

[1219] I want to stay up, but I promise to get sleep from now on.

[1220] Like, I'll get sleep the next day.

[1221] I'm not going to keep using this.

[1222] There's not something I'm going to keep using and stay up all the time.

[1223] No. Well, that's where you go crazy.

[1224] But that's, you can use it for that.

[1225] Like, if you're a real crazy, like, I know some people that use that shit for writing.

[1226] They write on that shit.

[1227] And they feel like without it, they don't feel like they have any energy.

[1228] Yeah, man. I mean, that's the trap of all those things.

[1229] Anything that's any kind of new tropics going to do that, man. But also, I think some people, From the sleep deprivation, that's where they become antennas for the good ideas.

[1230] You know, they like to get in this, like, fevered state of not sleeping for days at a time and go literally insane.

[1231] And somewhere in there, they write really good stuff.

[1232] That's what the, you know, news radio, the staff of news radio, they used to do that on purpose.

[1233] Paul Sims, Paul Sims is a brilliant guy, the guy who created news radio, and he thought it would be a good idea to have a writing staff, fill with.

[1234] a bunch of psychos who were willing to play video games and stay up till 4 o 'clock in the morning every night.

[1235] It was like this mad, vagabond crew of writers that he had assembled, and they would play video games and just talk shit, and then they would start writing at like 2 a .m. sometimes, but they would come up with these amazing scripts, and the scripts were so ridiculous.

[1236] Some of them were so ridiculous, and it's because they were delirious when they were writing them.

[1237] They were just, instead of doing drugs, they were doing the drug of just stay.

[1238] staying awake.

[1239] Dude, this is for me, I'd started doing this about six months ago, maybe a little longer, waking up at 4 a .m., regardless of when I went to sleep, I was having some insomnia.

[1240] And so I started, I realized like, shit, I'll just like wake up when I wake up.

[1241] And then waking up 4 a .m., if you have insomnia, that is going to cure your fucking insomnia.

[1242] Because when nighttime rolls around, you're exhausted.

[1243] But not only that, 4 a .m. is like the great time for writing weird shit because you're still half asleep and the stuff you write is it's like really feels like you're tripping you know especially waking up at 4 am and then like eating weed I was doing that so you do eat weed first and then start writing yeah well no my system before the fucking apocalypse was and again I wasn't doing this every day but I did do it for a stretch because I got into david goggins oh shit the goggins flew man I'm waking up at four i gotta go i gotta go but uh four a m eat weed go to the gym and because i was at the gym because i was at the gym that's where i would write you were there that early well no because it would open it i got there once before the gym open you must have felt like a savage no i didn't do because what happened was i got to the gym and then i did it i felt pretty fucking cool but then i went into the car and I had like 30 minutes to blow and I'm fucking stone man and I'm sitting there baked and I'm like fuck it I'll just like sit in the car and try to meditate this is in the parking garage of the god damn Hollywood equinox now let me tell you something man that area of Hollywood is already fucking weird but I'm sitting there with my eyes closed I'm kind of tripping feel like I'm half asleep half a week I look over there are two dudes creeping up to my car when creeping up there and I'm like what the fuck I was sitting in the passenger side I jumped to the driver's side started the car I'm driving through the parking garage stoned these two weirdos were definitely walking up to my car I'm like tripping I'm like what the fuck fuck I'm not going to work out and so I leave and I'm like what the fuck I'm going to let these two like 4 a .m weird vampires stop me from working out so I drive back in one of the them's like leaning up against a pillar like just staring at me creepy dude these people look like the lost boys or something they're probably praying on the cars of people that go to work out they're probably looking for a car to break into right and that's what like four a m people that are out on meth and they know that these assholes like to go to the gym and leave their shit in their car right there you go there you go it was terrifying but you know it those that's what you get at four five, four to five a .m. is you get math heads and you get people who are trying to improve their lives.

[1244] It's the funniest mix of people.

[1245] You get people who are like, I'm not going to waste a fucking second.

[1246] I'm going to get up early.

[1247] I'm going to exercise.

[1248] I'm going to write.

[1249] Because that's when like, I mean, this is a woo -woo idea.

[1250] Feel free to light that shit again.

[1251] But like there's an idea of prana, which is like energy.

[1252] And there's more energy in the morning than there is at night so if you get up at four you're getting like the the purest most amount of the shit so that's why a lot of people meditate it really early why like a lot of monks get up really early is because like it's a i don't know it's just a very it's the most psychedelic time way more psychedelic than like midnight yeah it has you're you're having you're exerting some form of control over your life that especially right you're exerting discipline like my friend Jocko he says discipline equals freedom he gets up every morning at 430 there you go and he puts a photo of his watch on instagram and usually it says go time or something along those lines get after it that's so fucking cool every fucking day i look it's the best driving i mean before the pandemic when there was still traffic driving around at 4 a .m you're awake you're half asleep also it's i think it's easier to work out that early because you're whatever part of you resist that shit is just like Week.

[1253] You got to be careful lifting weights in the morning.

[1254] You really want to warm up because you can injure yourself a little easier sometimes.

[1255] I didn't know that.

[1256] Yeah, because you're sleeping all night.

[1257] You're kind of stiff.

[1258] You want to warm everything up, get everything going.

[1259] They say that people lifting weights, it's not the best idea to lift like your personal record, dead lifts and shit like that first thing in the morning.

[1260] It's just, yeah, you got to heat your body up.

[1261] That makes sense.

[1262] Your body's more heated up by the end of the day.

[1263] By the end of the day, you're loose.

[1264] You've been walking around, doing stuff, looking forward to your workout, getting pumped.

[1265] And then you can go in there and work out.

[1266] I used to love Jiu -Jitsu class at 8 .30 p .m. For me, that was perfect.

[1267] Because Jiu -Jitsu was like, at 8 .30, it's like, man, I got plenty of energy.

[1268] I've eaten all day.

[1269] You know, it's like I'm not tired yet, like going to bed tired.

[1270] But, you know, because back then I was going to bed at like 2 o 'clock in the morning every night anyway.

[1271] But it was like 8 .30 was perfect.

[1272] Done by 10.

[1273] I'd hit the comedy store.

[1274] Be on stage at 11.

[1275] That's crazy.

[1276] I don't like working out at night.

[1277] I loved it.

[1278] Loved it.

[1279] It's great because you're, you have energy.

[1280] But it's easy to do Because you wake up at noon You know and just fucking stumble out of bed Do whatever bullshit you have to do that day If I have my day off If I'm you know doing stand -up at night Yeah It's easy You just eat and hang out And then eventually work out But if you get up in the morning You get a little bit of a victory Yeah, man A little bit of a victory Just having accomplished that thing You've gotten up And then next thing you know You're doing chin ups Maybe you're doing chin ups You don't do any chimps Well I could do like two then do too what i would what more of what it would be is like me sitting on those nice couches at equinox writing because like i so don't want to work out yeah i would progress and that's what i realize it's like i do my best writing at the gym that's hilarious so do you bring a little notebook with you fuck yeah i just started bringing my gear there to write and then i would just sit and write and i would spend so much time writing because if that part of you that doesn't want to work out would rather write it's like when you have to write and you find yourself cleaning it's that you know you can like sort of convert your procrastination into something positive yeah yeah that's interesting then i would go work out you know but i would like i was so when i was doing that man i was getting the best ideas i was just running on the treadmill stoned at you know 5 30 or whenever the fucking gym open and you i was listening to this like i started listening to that was when i was listening to goggins so i'd be blasted listening to goggins running on the fucking treadmill like yeah fuck yeah I'm gonna do an ultra fucking marathon how about that I'm never gonna go ultra marathon you listen to him too and he's aware that people like me are going to be hypnotized by him because he's like don't do what I'm doing you can kill yourself he knows like there's all people like these hearts are just exploding how many people do you think have collapsed at the gym because of David Goggins I bet like what 30 ,000 people have just like driven them Yeah, for sure.

[1281] There's probably a lot of blown out knees out there.

[1282] Blown out knees.

[1283] Ficked up backs, torn biceps.

[1284] That guy will run with his foot falling off.

[1285] That book is really good.

[1286] What's that, it's called Can't Hurt Me?

[1287] Yeah.

[1288] Jeez, it's like, it's amazing.

[1289] He, like, sews his calf muscle back on with twigs and becomes the Navy SEAL.

[1290] He's a badass, man. 100%.

[1291] That guy could, like, if that guy wanted to, like, burrow into an elephant, he could.

[1292] He's a good dude, too.

[1293] I like hanging out with him.

[1294] He must be.

[1295] I've hung out with him a few times.

[1296] Gone to dinner a few times.

[1297] Really?

[1298] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1299] He went to the fights a couple times.

[1300] He's a good dude.

[1301] He's a fun guy.

[1302] I enjoy him.

[1303] Me and my friend think he's enlightened.

[1304] He's something special.

[1305] There's a switch that that guy has that we all wish we had where he can power through.

[1306] But also, he's a beacon of inspiration.

[1307] Like for other people, when David Goggins does the shit that he does, and when he has those speeches while he's running you know like someone was talking to him was like 104 degrees outside and he goes why are you running he goes I'll tell you why I'm running because you're not motherfucker he goes that's why I'm running and you know and he's out there just I mean he's he's constantly doing it like he's constantly pushing himself that's what I love to me that's the he's like a servant in that way a servant he's a servant to the world he's not just like he's really giving people because like he's he posts pictures of himself when he was like sort of fat all the time man I'm like he's showing people like look this is the possibility at any moment you can do this at any moment and I love that because I do I know when I see him like he's like running through glass he's running like you know he's like running through like swarms of mosquitoes and malarial swamps just to show people look it doesn't the part of you that's telling you that you can't do this because of X in your environment is probably wrong not all the time but for sure man a lot of the time wrong a lot of time and that for a lot of us that's like so powerful like I've net of all the self -help books I've listened to I listen to one audible that's the best one by far hands down that's the best want man but because it's real it's not from a guy who really hasn't done anything that's trying to get you motivated to go out there and conquer in life it's from a guy who's actually done some really fucking crazy shit and it's telling you that you can do it too and that he used to be weak yeah he's doing something right now because cameron haynes son truitt is trying to break goggins 24 hour uh chin up record so guggins was at he was like when i think it's on cameron haynes's Instagram page see if he let put the video on his Instagram page but he was at some ungodly number of chin -ups what when they were making the video he's trying to break that break that right he's like I've been doing chin -ups for nine hours straight fuck that he was at like 1 ,500 chin -ups or something stupid crazy yeah and he still had all those hours to go so I think it might even be like a two -day thing I don't know how many days are supposed to be doing this but it's Does he have it in there with Goggins?

[1308] Is there a video of Goggins doing chin -ups?

[1309] I mean, the stories have got...

[1310] I hope I'm not releasing any information that shouldn't get out.

[1311] Is this live again?

[1312] Nope.

[1313] Oh, there you go.

[1314] Can't find it.

[1315] Eh, whatever.

[1316] Anyway, he...

[1317] You want to see this show?

[1318] He's doing...

[1319] I love to see your show.

[1320] So, anyway, shout out to Trout out.

[1321] Shout out to Truit.

[1322] Good luck.

[1323] it shout out to uh guggins i hope i hope they they battle um all right this thing netflix i told what's it called mid it's called the midnight gospel the midnight gospel with duncan trestle in pendleton ward the guy i made adventure time this cartoon it comes out 420 um look at that netflix this has never been seen they it's exclusive for your show they gave us permission this is joey dyes is in this and this is uh a podcast I'm taking off my glasses.

[1324] Yeah, I'm going to take my off.

[1325] This is a podcast I did with Damien Eccles.

[1326] Do you know that is?

[1327] He was like in the group of kids who got accused of murdering someone in the woods.

[1328] There's a whole.

[1329] No. Oh, yeah.

[1330] There was like a whole documentary about him on, I think, HBO.

[1331] It's like basically he with this dude, I had him on my podcast.

[1332] He wrote a book on magic.

[1333] He practices magic.

[1334] Jesus, Duncan.

[1335] He was on death row.

[1336] And they did a DNA test that exonerated him, but he was like about to be executed.

[1337] He's on death row studying Zen Buddhism, like a Zen priest was working with him to like basically like, you know, prepare him for his death, you know?

[1338] So he was badly beaten on death row.

[1339] He was almost executed.

[1340] Then he was exonerated because of DNA.

[1341] But we did this interview before the show, obviously.

[1342] And this is just a way that we figured out to.

[1343] take podcasts and put him in hey once he gets exonerated did it before we start this does he get do they have to pay him i don't know it's a great question i think maybe part of it that they may i'm not i don't want to say because i have no idea i have no idea i think they guys on death row yeah i mean it seems like you owe him something well yeah i would literally innocent yeah i would be an actual innocent person that you almost killed and then you treat you made their life hell yeah Imagine the torture of knowing you didn't do something but being accused of that thing.

[1344] Well, I know, man. And knowing it's going to cost you your life and you really didn't do it?

[1345] Let's play.

[1346] You know how in certain Buddhist traditions, like say Tibetan Buddhism, they talk about, what's the word?

[1347] They use empowerment.

[1348] You know, it's like a current of energy that is passed along from a master to student.

[1349] Ceremonial magic is the exact same thing.

[1350] The Knights Templars started receiving this current whenever they were.

[1351] were over there.

[1352] That's how it makes its way back to Europe.

[1353] Eventually, it makes its way to the United States through the hermetic order of the Golden Dawn, which was the order that Crowley was a member of before he, you know, went off to the OTO.

[1354] You had McGregor Mathers, Dion Fortune, the poet W .B. Yates.

[1355] All of these people were members of the Golden Dawn.

[1356] That's how this current makes its way to the U .S. One second.

[1357] Hey, Steve.

[1358] What the fuck?

[1359] You need to shine that light my fucking eyes?

[1360] That's how you're going to talk to customers.

[1361] I'll just take my ship full of cats and find another junk island.

[1362] A ship full of cats?

[1363] Ah, shit.

[1364] My apologies!

[1365] Look at all these wonderful gifts and gadgets here.

[1366] We got a fresh printer, time slapper, and some cans, and...

[1367] You want that?

[1368] A vintage and Lil.

[1369] Ugh.

[1370] It ain't cheap, pal.

[1371] It's gonna be five cats.

[1372] He's bluffing.

[1373] I can get it for three.

[1374] Watch this.

[1375] Three.

[1376] Five.

[1377] Fine.

[1378] And that's my last offer.

[1379] All right.

[1380] You're taking flakes out of my minnow's mouth, but fine.

[1381] Four it is.

[1382] Send them over.

[1383] So Duncan Truffle.

[1384] That's so bizarre.

[1385] Yeah.

[1386] Yeah, man. It was like, it was the craziest thing working on that show with Pendleton because he's like a, like, you know, we throw the word genius around, but the guy's an actual genius.

[1387] So it was like, like, you know, we throw the word genius around, but the guy's an actual genius.

[1388] really really cool to get to do just so I'm sorry to interrupt you but it's so it's a combination of your podcast and then some interstitial stuff that like you that you is like scripted it's yeah it's like basically my character is this guy Clancy who lives in a place called the chromatic ribbon where people use multiverse simulators to simulate universes so that they go inside and harvest the technology and sell it.

[1389] And so my character has a malfunctioning used multiverse simulator that isn't really working to produce technology.

[1390] And because it's malfunctioning, every single world in it is going through some kind of apocalypse.

[1391] And so my character goes into his simulator and interviews people in the dying world.

[1392] So that's basically the idea of the show.

[1393] So we took podcast dialogue.

[1394] It's basically what happens with, you know, during the.

[1395] Apocalypse, what's going to happen?

[1396] People are going to do podcasts.

[1397] People are going to still have conversations.

[1398] So these conversations, we just set them in these surreal universes where shit's melting down and, you know, where like Clancy meets these various people and kind of learns from them.

[1399] What's crazy is you started this a long time ago and it's coming to fruition right when the apocalypse hits.

[1400] I know, dude.

[1401] That's the thing.

[1402] It's like a little on the nose.

[1403] I mean, you know, it's on the nose.

[1404] It's on the nose.

[1405] Yeah, yeah.

[1406] I mean, it's like, it's almost like, it's almost like you knew.

[1407] It's almost like you had a time.

[1408] And then the universe is like, this is a perfect time for Dunkin's shit to come out.

[1409] And let's coincide it.

[1410] I mean, just look at how bizarre your show is.

[1411] Yeah.

[1412] How strange.

[1413] And then the fact that it's a hybrid of podcast conversations and then written stuff, so strange.

[1414] Yeah, man. It's perfect time for it.

[1415] Yeah.

[1416] You know, I think it is a perfect time for it, and I hope, like, because some of the, like, every guest we chose for this.

[1417] They all had this, like, really, like, amazing thing to say.

[1418] Like, Eccles in this episode, one of the things he says, you know, I asked him, like, do you feel like you kind of like were blessed that you ended up in solitary confinement?

[1419] Because that's where he woke up.

[1420] That's where he started meditating.

[1421] That's where he started studying magic.

[1422] That's where he started working on himself because there was nothing else to do.

[1423] Right.

[1424] And in this one, he says, like, I feel luckier than some millennials out there right now who are, like, completely disconnected.

[1425] Because that's the coolest thing about him is you would expect a person who'd been on death row to be bitter.

[1426] He's the sweetest, most genuine, wonderful person ever.

[1427] And it's like whatever went on in the situation of being on the brink of the abyss where he's about to get murdered by the, state for something he didn't do something about that didn't turn him into someone who was like shell shocked or angry but like really turned him into like someone very compassionate and and i guess grateful for his life you know and that to me like it's like he's like the goggins of death row i mean if you can be not bitter after being on death row for something you didn't do and like getting physically assaulted you know just wondering every day if you were going to die if like you can still maintain an attitude of service or contribution to society in some way or another then any of us can any of us can you know like any of us can and to me that's like i think that's i hope some of that stuff trickles out from the show into the world right now especially man right now especially when you say he studies magic what do you mean by that so um well he wrote a great book called high magic which is i think that's what's called it's a fantastic book on magic is really the wrong word for it there's an entire like mythos or religion that got sort of wiped out by um Terrence McKinnon talks about it a lot I got kind of wiped out by um I get you know superstition so witchcraft is we understand it now because of Hollywood is like you know ladies riding around on brooms and shit but it just used to be mid mid wifery it used to be like healing women who would like deliver babies and stuff.

[1428] But these were all connected to, they're all at pagan roots.

[1429] And so essentially you can follow back this branch of data that some people say started in Sumeria or Egypt, ways of meditating, ways of connecting with the universe that are ritualistic in nature, but seem mysterious to us because even though, like, if you want to see what it looks like, just look at a Catholic Mass. You're looking at a ceremony.

[1430] It's theology, I guess you'd call it.

[1431] That is a magical ceremony where bread gets converted into the flesh of a God that you eat.

[1432] So that's a, you're watching robes, they're burning incense.

[1433] So that is magic.

[1434] That's what ceremonial magic looks like.

[1435] It's non -different from ceremonial magic.

[1436] Someone in the Catholic Church might tell you, this isn't magic.

[1437] This is me praying to the infinite and asking for forgiveness.

[1438] That's magic.

[1439] You're connecting with a divine intelligence.

[1440] You're hoping from your connection with the divine intelligence to produce some change in your own psychology, in your own life, and maybe create good fortune or whatever it is.

[1441] You're praying for healing, whatever it may be.

[1442] That's magic.

[1443] So magic is that.

[1444] that it's I'm not saying the Catholic Catholic Catholicism wouldn't necessarily be considered a branch of magic I mean one of the things he said in this interview is like if the Bible is one of the most powerful magical grimoires there is I mean you read that shit if you really look in it there's all kinds of bizarre stuff that doesn't seem to make it onto Christian radio like what well like when in the book of Genesis it's why are they saying why do they refer to themselves as a plurality when god's talking it's not like if when they're saying like why do we throw adam and eve out of the garden it's we if we don't do something about this they will become like us we there's a plurality that's being mentioned there and so what is that plurality so throughout the bible there's mentions of angels the book of ezekiel the famous one that ufologists go to yeah is there's all these contacts with angels it high hyperdimensional beings that have some data set they want to bring to the world quite often, depending on what book you're in, it's some terrifying prophecy about the end of the world that's coming.

[1445] But sometimes it's, you know, some message of hope or some message of healing.

[1446] So you could say magic is a non -Christian oriented method for connecting with those various entities using ritual.

[1447] That's one branch of it.

[1448] Now, I'm not saying, by the way, these beings exist or don't exist, but you could say, if you wanted to get, like, psychologically, you could say we have buried inside of us.

[1449] Bits archetypes, bits of the collective that are buried deep inside of us and that there are ways to connect to these little fragments of the collective mind.

[1450] And, you know, many people know have their own method for doing that.

[1451] one of the methods to do that might be doing a ritual and for a moment allowing yourself to imagine that you're trying to talk to an extra -dimensional being alister crowley famously did one of these rituals and contacted a god what was i can't remember what the being was called but it looks like a gray alien this is before people were talking about gray aliens we looked that up he drew it there's a drawing of it yeah and it looks like a gray alien it's like what year was this It's like the 1800s.

[1452] Alastair Crowley was in the 1800s?

[1453] Yeah, right?

[1454] 18, 1900s.

[1455] Yeah, when you keep pulling at your gilly suit, you remind me of a drunk, overweight girl with large breasts that keeps adjusting her halter top.

[1456] Like you're in Florida outside drinking at some motel.

[1457] We're having a great night.

[1458] I told that motherfucker, I'm going to leave you.

[1459] I'm going to leave you, Clarence.

[1460] I'm tired of y 'all.

[1461] I told them with a cigarette in her hand.

[1462] Wow, look at that drawing by Alistair Crowley.

[1463] Yeah.

[1464] That does look like your gray alien.

[1465] Yeah, man, and he...

[1466] That's what we're going to look like, man. Let's cut the shit, right?

[1467] That's what we're going to look like.

[1468] Right?

[1469] When you see people that are hairy and brutish, we think of them as being, like, closer to prehistoric man, right?

[1470] You see a guy covered in hair.

[1471] He looks more like a beast.

[1472] Yeah.

[1473] And when we see people that are thinner and more slender, they become more a gentle version of people.

[1474] And we associate that oftentimes with intelligence.

[1475] We associate, directly associate intelligence with frailty, right?

[1476] We all do that.

[1477] When you see some super genius guy, usually they're frail.

[1478] And occasionally they're badasses, but there's a lot of those super genius guys that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

[1479] Well, Hawking's the ultimate example because his body literally failed him while he was coming up with his greatest discoveries.

[1480] So this is our future.

[1481] We're going to have big heads.

[1482] They're going to fucking crisper your way into a head that lets.

[1483] you live in any dimension you want at any time you transport yourself from one planet to the other imagine what we've done with our stupid monkey brains now imagine it was 150 % larger 150 % more brain and then incorporated all sorts of fucking electronics that let you interface with space time around you and all kinds of wacky ways of communicating we couldn't even possibly imagine now just like people from the 1800s couldn't have ever possibly imagined cell phones.

[1484] Right.

[1485] And this is the idea is like, okay, we're going to go there.

[1486] And then when we get there, the way we understand space time is going to be different than the way we understand it now.

[1487] Yeah.

[1488] So what that means is, theoretically, you could connect or communicate with a being that is outside of spacetime, which is a future version of us right now using, like, various methods.

[1489] DMT being one of the big ones on the planet right now, but also using other methods that are a little bit more precise.

[1490] Because with DMT, it's kind of like you're not really putting in GPS coordinates necessarily.

[1491] Some people do it with intention.

[1492] Like a shaman will do it like with intention and can like, you know, excuse me, can you give me another bloody Mary?

[1493] I told you, Clarence, I'll fucking leave you.

[1494] Cigarette in your hand, flip flops on.

[1495] I will fucking leave you.

[1496] Clarence, if you keep some of these demons, I am out of you.

[1497] Clarence is over there with Miller, like, you ain't going nowhere.

[1498] Just stop.

[1499] Just fucking stop.

[1500] You always do this.

[1501] She gets drunk.

[1502] She says she's leaving.

[1503] I'm going to fucking leave you.

[1504] Clarence, I'm going to fucking leave you, son of a bitch.

[1505] I'm putting all my gilly suit and going down to Tampa.

[1506] You son of a bitch.

[1507] I'm going to visit my family in Clearwater.

[1508] I'm out of here, Clarence.

[1509] It's over.

[1510] Anyway, yeah, maybe you can connect through time and space to these things that are already here.

[1511] Like our understanding of time and space, we're locked in, man. But like, so magic is like ridiculous on one level as it absolutely sounds and is on one level.

[1512] On another level is at the very least a creative technique so that you can sort of summon a dream state while you're awake with the intent of causing some change in the world around you using for a lot of people what would be considered a non -standard way.

[1513] Well, just in terms of your perception of how you view the world, you can alter that pretty radically.

[1514] I mean, from someone who has an amazingly positive perception versus someone has an amazingly negative perception, you look at the results.

[1515] Right.

[1516] Overwhelming benefit of being a positive person.

[1517] Overwhelming.

[1518] There's something to thoughts and ideas that propel you in a good way.

[1519] And for having a good architecture, having a good philosophy, having a good operating manual for how you view the world and how you act and behave.

[1520] Part of that's you getting up at 4 o 'clock in the morning.

[1521] That's what that is.

[1522] You're like enforcing your ability to sort of dictate the positive aspects of your future.

[1523] You're deciding to take action.

[1524] You're strengthening your bond with the way you interface with current reality.

[1525] And I was doing it, I mean, not ritualistically.

[1526] What happened?

[1527] What the fuck?

[1528] Oh, Christmas.

[1529] God damn.

[1530] Listen, man, if you want to meet me here, I'll meet you here.

[1531] We could do some 5 a .m. sessions.

[1532] I'd love that, man. Let's do it.

[1533] I mean, yeah, I would love that.

[1534] Let's do it.

[1535] 100 % down.

[1536] Come down here.

[1537] We'll get pumped.

[1538] We'll put Slayer on and fucking rock out.

[1539] Rock!

[1540] I'm down.

[1541] What else do we have to do?

[1542] What else do we have to do?

[1543] It would be a great thing.

[1544] Look, I'll tell you one thing, though.

[1545] I am enjoying, not going out.

[1546] I'm enjoying it.

[1547] I'm enjoying being home most of the day other than the days I do podcast.

[1548] But not doing shows at night gives you so much more energy.

[1549] Oh, my God.

[1550] It's crazy.

[1551] Like, can you feel like rested?

[1552] Feel good.

[1553] I fucking love it, man. I get to be with myself.

[1554] sun more it's like really nice the place we just moved into whoever lived there before us had a flourishing garden so i've just been going out back pulling spinach out of the ground and like i know man so they left you food they left us food that's pretty dope yeah that's such a such a smart thing if you have a yard i get mad at myself for not having a garden i'm gonna have a garden right now i've had one in the past but i don't have a garden right now yeah i think it's like especially now we should realize like man you should have food in a freezer somewhere and you should have a garden that's right and a gun i got some elk for you do you really oh yeah yeah man the trussles would be very grateful for some elk yep i have uh i bought a box of uh these insulated freezer bags for people too dude thank you yeah it's such a that's a nice aspect of being a hunter because you have you get hundreds of pounds of meat from one animal so you can share that with a lot of people it's really it's it's it makes me feel real good that i'm giving some to people then they send me pictures of cooked food like Tom Papa just sent me this picture really this roast that he cooked yeah he's an elk fiend now Tom Papa eats a shitload of elk well I don't think I've ever had elk you'd love it it's delicious I'm gonna give you a bunch of different kinds but the sausage is the easiest to make cool so easy you just pan fry it you can do it in butter I prefer to do it in beef tallow I just sear it in beef towel my favorite way to do it is I get to get it to like a medium medium temperature and then I put tomato sauce in it and let it simmer in the tomato sauce Man, you're the best.

[1555] That's going to be so cool for my kid to have apocalyptic rogan elk.

[1556] That's going to be the best to bring back elk during a pandemic to your family.

[1557] Well, that's an elk that died from a shot from a bow and arrow.

[1558] You know, I mean, there's something about that to me that there's more power to the meat.

[1559] It's like not more power in that.

[1560] It's like a powerful thing.

[1561] Do more power in that like I know.

[1562] what that animal was.

[1563] That animal is a wild beast evading predators.

[1564] And me, a stupid, doughy human being managed to sneak into range where I could hit it and kill it in one shot with a bow and arrow.

[1565] I even have a video of it that my friend Cam Haines took.

[1566] So I have this animal that dropped and then we took it apart and butched it and now I eat it.

[1567] When I eat it, I think of what that animal was.

[1568] That animal lived a majestic life.

[1569] And if I didn't take it out, it would have gotten taken out by mountain lions or bears or it would have froze to death in the winter sometimes that happens their teeth get ground down and there's an older male too which is what you want to get because those are the ones that have passed their DNA down so there's a story to that meat and there's a connection to that meat and there's no risk from that meat when you're when you're thinking about the risk to society of like these kind of diseases that happen through agriculture i think one of the reasons why that is is because it's not natural ever for animals to be stuffed together like that so when it is nature is just like fuck you for breaking the rules and then these viruses start spreading it's almost like that's what it is for being unnatural because those kind of diseases don't exist that much in animals in nature they do sometimes like brucellosis like some buffalo have brucellosis it's a bad disease that cattle can get and then it can infect the cattle and sometimes elk have it too like there's a few diseases like animals always have diseases but it seems like those ones that jump to people the vast majority of them have come from us treating animals in a very unnatural way that's true but dude i don't mean to get all conspiratorial here but isn't it a little weird that Wuhan is where that virology laboratory was it is yeah i mean like i don't know to me it's weird but it's also weird that there's There's bats laying on the floor there.

[1570] Good point.

[1571] That's weird, too.

[1572] And we know for a fact that diseases jump from, they're tracing these things.

[1573] This is what's fucked up.

[1574] Michael Osterholm, who was on, who was, he's an expert in infectious diseases and viruses and stuff like that.

[1575] He was explaining to us how they know certain diseases are morphing and they're changing.

[1576] They become more and more human -like.

[1577] And they were talking about this, actually this one that deer get, that's called CWD.

[1578] and it's called chronic wasting disease and it first discovered it.

[1579] My friend Doug Duren sent me a synopsis of when they first discovered it, but I believe it existed in like the 1980s is when they first started seeing it in animals, but it was like a mule deer here, an animal there, but now it's infected like a giant population of deer in the Midwest and they don't really have a cure for it.

[1580] It's fatal 100 % of the time and it hasn't made the jump to people, but it could.

[1581] and they're scared and Michael Osterhom was saying this basically these things are morphing all the time they're becoming more and more human -like they're becoming more and more like something that can invade a human host see that bro that's terrifying terrifying terrifying and I think there's a battle constantly going on between these things that hog up too much resources and take up too much of a population slice like humans we're on every goddamn rock everywhere And nature tries to throw curveballs at you.

[1582] I mean, that's what nature does?

[1583] Nature's like, what are you doing?

[1584] You're living in your own shit?

[1585] Oh, great.

[1586] Here's the plague.

[1587] You know, like, that's what's happened throughout history, whether it was with poor sanitation or whether it was, you know, animal agriculture, whatever the fuck it is.

[1588] People have caught weird diseases throughout time, whether it was different animals.

[1589] It could bite you and give you Ebola.

[1590] You know, that kind of shit.

[1591] These, I mean, these weird diseases have existed forever, and they're basically the same as like, viral panthers right what's a panther a panther's had to make sure there's not too many deer yeah the panther is the fucking cleanup crew because if it wasn't for that there would be fucking deer everywhere right you're from north carolina yeah you know what it's like in the country it's crazy sometimes because north carolina doesn't have any mountain lines north carolina doesn't have any wolves so like maybe they have a little bit of wolves but not not a lot right they got some bears and they got a lot of deer yeah fucking everywhere Like New York State, they have a terrible situation with deer in, like, Long Island.

[1592] There's parts of Long Island that were infested with deer.

[1593] And they're like, what are we doing?

[1594] We can't, what are you going to, just shoot them?

[1595] Just going to go out and shoot.

[1596] They're trying to give them birth control.

[1597] They're thinking about giving deer's birth control.

[1598] No shit.

[1599] Yes.

[1600] Because there's no animals out there to eat them.

[1601] So they just keep fucking.

[1602] They just keep fucking and overpopulating.

[1603] Did you read the stand?

[1604] Yes, I did.

[1605] Remember that seat?

[1606] That was one of the things he talks about is how, is they're going down the highway they would hit like herds of deer so thick that would like block the highway because they were like starting to overpopulate because there was no one there to like call the herd dude I had a gig once when I was living in New York and it was in Western Massachusetts so Western Massachusetts if you are in New York where I was in New Rochelle you could get there in a few hours like it was like two and a half three hours or something like that you get to where this area is and where the fucking gig was was so infested with deer I've never seen anything like it in my life.

[1607] You're driving down the street and it was probably it was hot out, so it was probably the summer.

[1608] So I was driving down the street and these things are just jumping in front of the car, left and around.

[1609] I was like, this is nuts.

[1610] Coming home on the highway was terrifying.

[1611] I had to go 30 miles an hour on the highway just with my foot hovering, just ready to stomp on the brakes because these motherfuckers were just running in front of the highway.

[1612] I saw a hundred of them.

[1613] I saw them all over the place.

[1614] I might have seen 200 of them.

[1615] Driving home.

[1616] Everywhere.

[1617] you look there was fucking deer yeah why because there's no predators it's an imbalance and eventually something's going to happen and one of things that has happened is Lyme disease these fucking deer have spread this terrible disease to so many people out there through the ticks yeah the ticks have jumped from the deer because there's so many of them there's fucking ticks everywhere because they're well fed and like some ungodly percentage of these ticks have fucking Lyme disease right and they jump on people and they give it to people and the people get sick you know and then the people have to have a reaction to these deer so they want to go out and slaughter the deer it's almost like nature is trying to balance itself out right or is I mean like you know for us the goddamn COVID -19 is the worst thing that's happened to people in their lifetime in the sense like this shit we're experiencing right now is completely unique yeah for COVID -19 I guess it's the equivalent of humans like colonizing another planet like that fucking virus just like what it did is for it's amazing like it finally made its way out of one biome into another.

[1618] It pulled it off.

[1619] Whoever was down there mutating, somebody had the great idea to like do whatever they did.

[1620] I guess it's like to create a way to connect to those two receptors.

[1621] What's it called?

[1622] It's like it connects to these two.

[1623] Anyway, I don't know.

[1624] I wouldn't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

[1625] That's okay.

[1626] It's like, but it like, what it did is so spectacular for the virus.

[1627] What's a, you know, catastrophe.

[1628] for humans, it's glory for the COVID -19, like superorganisms that's now sweeping through the human biome, you know?

[1629] Yeah, and you know what else it did that's really interesting?

[1630] It made it so that it doesn't give you any symptoms and you're still contagious for days.

[1631] The worst case scenario.

[1632] So you can just keep spreading it.

[1633] Yeah.

[1634] Yeah, I was reading a friend sent me an email from Aspen where apparently there's one Australian tourists a bunch of Australian tourists had it but one guy refused to quarantine and he went skiing and went to restaurants rode the bus and like it's like a movie but it's a movie right like that's what happens in a movie there's this new thing going around and this guy's like fuck that I'm here to ski he's like I'm here to ski I'm going to eat I'm going to a restaurant I'm riding the bus fuck it wow what a dick but that's in the movie that's what happens right there's a guy who's in the lab and they're like you have to be quarantined the lab and the guy's like fuck this I'm going outside and he has a cigarette and then something bites him and runs off and then that thing carries it in its teeth and bites him a person and the next thing it spreads to people and bugs and next thing you know it's a fucking epidemic and it goes through this and then turns everybody into zombies yeah that's 28 days later right wasn't it a monkey they were working on some sort of a disease and the monkey got out pita rage there was like some it was a it was an animal rights group trying to free monkeys that had an experimental shit had been pumped into them and the monkeys like attack the people trying to save them and those people instantly turn into zombies and spread through the planet.

[1635] Well, I was reading about this mountain line that tried to attack this, I think it was a police officer.

[1636] Someone, I forget who the, but the cops had to wind up shooting the mountain line.

[1637] But the mountain line had rabies.

[1638] No, how crazy is rabies?

[1639] It rabies tricks you into biting people to give them rabies.

[1640] Like raccoons?

[1641] Raccoons are usually terrified of people.

[1642] They just run up on you and they got rabies.

[1643] squirrels, rats, all sorts of things.

[1644] They're not scared to you at all.

[1645] They'll just fucking jack you if they have rabies.

[1646] They come after you and you're like, what the fuck is going on?

[1647] That thing is trying to give you its disease.

[1648] It's a zombie movie.

[1649] And if you don't go to a doctor, if you go to a doctor, they can fix it.

[1650] But if you don't go to a doctor, rabies is fatal.

[1651] It's just straight up fatal.

[1652] There's like one person ever that survived from rabies and he probably wishes he didn't.

[1653] Why?

[1654] He probably was horrific.

[1655] Probably, I mean, I don't know.

[1656] Does it cause permanent, like, neurological damage?

[1657] But there's very few cases of people surviving.

[1658] It's more than 99 % fatal.

[1659] Rabies is a terrible disease to die from apparently, too.

[1660] Oh, it looks fucking awful, man. But there's a lot of animals that have it, and they want to bite you.

[1661] That's so crazy.

[1662] It makes, normally animals that are afraid of people, it makes them aggressive to people.

[1663] Well, I mean, dude, did you read that thing about that guy who, like, knew he had AIDS and was infecting people on purpose?

[1664] he was like getting off on like giving people a like you wonder how much of that was his decision and how much of it was some dark mutation where it started yes i mean because think of like okay it's trying to spread i know you do this i do it i do it i try not to do it as much but the spreading of bad news like you hear some bad thing that just happened this person died this catastrophe happened you get on the phone and call somewhere like hey did you hear and there's this weird rush like spreading the bad news.

[1665] You're kind of getting off on it.

[1666] So in the same way, your idea swarm concept, it's the same thing with bad news.

[1667] You become a carrier for the darkness.

[1668] And so you call it.

[1669] Now, I'm not saying don't tell people and awful shit's going on, but sometimes I notice I'll go through periods where all I'm doing is telling people about shit they should be afraid of.

[1670] You know, spreading.

[1671] And usually the way you do it is through some story about what's happening in the world.

[1672] That's really a form.

[1673] of contagion, you know, and then that spreads and spreads and spreads and spreads.

[1674] And then everyone's freaked the fuck out.

[1675] And who knows, man, maybe that creates the condition of sleepiness or sleepwalking that we need for these viruses to appear.

[1676] You know, it's— I wonder what it is that's so attractive to us about breaking the news.

[1677] I don't know.

[1678] Did you hear who died?

[1679] I used to— Did you hear what happened in India?

[1680] When Michael Jackson died, I've made a point of every single one who called me. you didn't tell them I know and they're like do you hear I'm like no what just to get them off to let them have the moment of like I hadn't heard yet like holy shit really that's hilarious wow wow no you've got to be fucking kidding me you're joking right because it's like you know for them I don't know what that feeling is that's hilarious do it the next time some awful thing happens like give new friends the satisfaction people are going to know now they're going to hear this podcast They didn't know I used your trick It's true though man What is the rush of telling people I don't know It's probably built into us right Because it's like a survival thing Like if you were If you were in a community And you knew a fire was coming You don't want to tell people So there's probably some reward mechanism The worst is when someone told you But you forgot they told you So you try to tell them And they're like I told you Oh you shitty listener I broke the news to you You.

[1681] My wife does that to me all the time.

[1682] She's like, I told you, dummy.

[1683] I'm like, oh, no. I hate that feeling.

[1684] That's the worst.

[1685] When you get caught, not listening.

[1686] You're like, yeah, I knew.

[1687] I was just saying it again.

[1688] Yeah.

[1689] Yeah, you tried to do some pathetic escape from your lack of - from your failure.

[1690] Yeah, yeah.

[1691] No, no, I didn't really fail.

[1692] I did it to myself.

[1693] No, I knew exactly.

[1694] I remember what you were saying?

[1695] I know, I know.

[1696] I'm just talking out loud.

[1697] That is the worst.

[1698] My wife has done that.

[1699] Actually, where she's like, wait, well, what did I just say?

[1700] And you're like, you were talking about it's a baby.

[1701] Oh, yeah.

[1702] Dude, when people are around each other all the time, they learn how to filter each other out.

[1703] They have to.

[1704] You need your alone space.

[1705] And sometimes you get it while you're still there.

[1706] You get it while you're still there by zoning out.

[1707] You just got to be present more than you are doing that.

[1708] That's right.

[1709] That seems to be the key.

[1710] You got a zone, man. It's okay to zone.

[1711] Like, don't get into some ridiculous.

[1712] definitely don't beat yourself up for zoning.

[1713] No, well, especially as a creative person, I think zoning, spacing out sometimes and just being bored, sometimes where the best ideas come from.

[1714] Yeah.

[1715] Because you can sit around and think about things.

[1716] Like, today we're never bored.

[1717] I mean, this is a common complaint about people when they're talking about one of the consequences, unintended consequences of social media addiction, is that you're never bored.

[1718] And that being bored is actually probably not a bad thing because it fills your head up with ideas.

[1719] You start thinking about things, and occasionally you're thinking about things, things that are good that you might not have thought of if you're just staring at people's butts on Instagram.

[1720] That's right.

[1721] Boredom.

[1722] Well, that's like the guy I work with you like with meditation, this guy David Nichtern, he teaches me about boredom.

[1723] It's a Buddhist concept, hot boredom and cool boredom.

[1724] There's two types of boredom.

[1725] One of them is where you're like, man, that's like the addictive boredom where you're like, I'm going to get out.

[1726] I got to get, you know, I'm bored, but there's a sense of like, ah, the other type of boredom, cool boredom, that's more like what you're talking about, which is like just being okay, where you're at, in the moment, but admitting to yourself, this is boring.

[1727] Like, that's one of the things.

[1728] It's boring.

[1729] Like, I'm bored right now.

[1730] Like, this is - YouTube videos are more fun.

[1731] We go see something crazy on YouTube.

[1732] See a car chase.

[1733] Yeah.

[1734] It's a fucking, do you, do you, do you ever, like, go to your phone when you wake up at night?

[1735] Do you do that?

[1736] Is that your go -to -you - When I wake up at night?

[1737] Do you ever wake up at night?

[1738] Do you ever wake up at night?

[1739] I do, and I try to go back to sleep.

[1740] I never just stay up.

[1741] I just go back.

[1742] to sleep.

[1743] See, that's what I, man, I got to stop doing it because I'll wake up and the first thing I do, reach over for the phone, start looking at it, waiting to get sleepy again.

[1744] Doesn't make you sleepy.

[1745] It wakes you up.

[1746] It wakes you up.

[1747] It's not good.

[1748] It stimulates that area of your brain that gets lit up by electronics.

[1749] Beed -beep, peep, peep, peep, it's so exciting and stimulating.

[1750] Next thing you know you're awake.

[1751] I do the smoke pot thing too and then right, but sometimes I do the smoke pot and workout thing and then it becomes the smoke pot and right thing just because the rush right after you get high is like those are where the best ideas come from and like I feel like you got to grab those fuckers while you have them and if it means postponing your workout for an hour like that's actually the smart thing to do it's the the dumb thing to do to go through the workout first because especially if you got high because those ideas they're coming hard and fast for like the first part of the high and you probably won't get them like that for the rest of the high so while you go from being straight sober to the big rush that you get in the beginning that's when all my best ideas come from is the big rush which is like an hour from getting high to an hour later that's the big rush that's when I feel like I get the most like where the fuck did that come from ideas yeah and the best writing like when I write things it's like the cleanest it's the filled with the most gems there's more stuff in it and then the other stuff is like editing it and putting it apart and taking it apart.

[1752] But if you don't capitalize on that rush, I feel like you only get one of those a day.

[1753] One big, especially like if you're sober and then you get high, that one first high rush of the day, that doesn't last that long.

[1754] And if you keep staying high, I don't think it's the same.

[1755] I think staying high, you sort of settle in, right?

[1756] Yeah.

[1757] Yeah.

[1758] But the rush of just getting high is like, wah, ah, ah, so many ideas.

[1759] If you wasted that by doing chin -ups, you're an asshole.

[1760] Just go right, right?

[1761] And then we'll live afterwards.

[1762] Yeah, for sure, man. I mean, this is, yeah, you've got to harvest.

[1763] When it's, when the, when the, when the wheat is growing, you've got to harvest.

[1764] You can't just, but it's easy to trick yourself into thinking, oh, no, I've got to stick to my fucking workout or whatever the thing is.

[1765] It's not just working out.

[1766] It's like, whatever.

[1767] I think it's important to prioritize those moments.

[1768] I mean, especially if you're going with your, like, with what a lot of people say, which is this, the antenna idea.

[1769] You're a receiver.

[1770] You're picking up signals.

[1771] You're like SETI, but not for aliens for ideas.

[1772] And these search for extraterrestrial ideas.

[1773] That's what you are.

[1774] You're a satellite for that.

[1775] And if you start getting, I mean, imagine SETI.

[1776] Imagine someone at SETI doing chin ups.

[1777] And suddenly they get like some signal from a far star system.

[1778] And he's like, I'm going to finish my workout before I check out whether or not we're getting contacted by aliens that's an asshole if you're because the real question is where do your ideas come from exactly and if you're picking up whatever these creatures are and you've been blessed enough to get them yeah you should write them down got to write them down it's kind of like i mean not i don't like you got to honor them right yeah you'll act on them i mean that's why people that think of the muse like the concept of the muse that's one of the more it's a productive way to think of it like Pressfield writes about it and Pressfield in the War of Art and he's you know he's a very down to earth he's not a silly man. It's a very down to earth person but his perspective on the concept of the muse is it's very beneficial if you follow it because his perspective is essentially that you pay honor to this thing.

[1779] You show up and you do the work like a professional and then it responds in turn.

[1780] It comes to you.

[1781] Yeah.

[1782] And then these are what it's like we think of an idea, even though it's one of the most important factors in the entire construction of civilization, but somehow or another, we don't think of it as that.

[1783] We think of people being that.

[1784] And we are, but we're being used by ideas.

[1785] I know that sounds crazy.

[1786] I really do.

[1787] I know it sounds dumb, too.

[1788] But you are, you're coming up with these thoughts, and we're thinking.

[1789] them is like random connections that you're making in your brain which might be it might be that but it also might be that ideas are like a life form from another dimension that's trying to manifest itself in our current realm and they do so through getting into people's heads and the more you call for them the more they're there for you and the more you show up and you can call that the muse you can call that whatever you want angels Tesla believed it Tesla believed some he was getting signals from some other some other planet or some other life forms he had some weird shit that he wrote that's hard to decipher about what he see if you can find that because that's a very interesting thing jamie see if you can find what did Tesla like Tesla had a take on receiving information from other galaxies he had this take on where i some some of his uh inventions were coming from it's like what or some of the transmissions that he would receive i mean god damn it Wouldn't have been amazing to talk to that guy?

[1790] Yes.

[1791] Imagine having Nicola Tesla on the podcast.

[1792] Oh.

[1793] Who knows, man. Maybe you still can one day.

[1794] Maybe we can bring them back.

[1795] Yeah, bring them back.

[1796] Or, like, create an AI Tesla.

[1797] I think a lot of people have that feeling, and some of them just don't come out of the closet, so to speak, with it, because they're afraid they're going to get judged or ostracized.

[1798] I think a lot of people feel like they have a direct contact with some kind of.

[1799] of sentience that isn't embodied inside of them and it's giving them ideas and they're just terrified to put it out to the world because it sounds like you're fucking nuts his claims are receiving signals from outer space were proven right a century later who during the summer of 1890 Tesla set up a field laboratory in Colorado Springs Colorado to pass to the possibilities of using high altitude stations to transmit information and electric power over long distances 1 July This is not what I'm talking about This is about the signals Not like him getting I went too quickly on that Oh okay Where is the signals This is like Like radio signals Oh that he was getting radio signals From other planets After the ruling out I think this is about sending After ruling out solar and terrestrial causes He concluded the signals Must be from another planet He had a seizure and had a vision Which is what Like that's a Yeah here it says One July day while tracking lightning storms.

[1800] Oh, so is it actually equipment.

[1801] His equipment picked up a series of beeps.

[1802] After ruling out solar and terrestrial causes, he concluded that the signals must be from another planet.

[1803] The following Christmas, in response to the American Red Cross's request for a prediction of the greatest scientific achievement of the coming century, Tesla wrote, Brethren, we have a message from another world, unknown, and remote.

[1804] It reads, one, two, three.

[1805] In 1996, scientists published a study replicating Tesla's experiment, and showing that the signal was in fact caused by the moon low passing through Jupiter's magnetic field holy fuck he was picking up a moon passing through Jupiter's magnetic field yeah but he had woo ideas too man oh yeah he was in love with a pigeon he's in love with a pigeon not just that though he like I think he did think he was in contact with like some kind of sentient intelligence for sure why not why wouldn't you think if you're that smart Imagine how smart he was in comparison to like a regular dope.

[1806] Hey, mister, you want to buy a paper?

[1807] You know, those people from back then, some fucking dude selling papers in the corner.

[1808] And then the greatest genius the world's ever known up to that point.

[1809] Yeah.

[1810] Wandering around, trying to figure out how to send electricity through the sky.

[1811] Maybe that's all intelligence is, though, man. It's like having the willingness to let yourself go crazy enough to believe you're not the creator of your ideas.

[1812] To believe that you're an antenna.

[1813] Maybe that's what makes a person intelligent.

[1814] Maybe that's all it takes.

[1815] That and discipline.

[1816] Well, yeah, the discipline to learn all the things that you need to know to be able to study and actually implement that technology.

[1817] It's like Tesla was both things.

[1818] He was a genius and he was probably some sort of a visionary in that way.

[1819] Like he had like Elon has.

[1820] He had an extra large magnet for ideas.

[1821] Yeah.

[1822] Dude.

[1823] I think anyone can do that.

[1824] How strong is this weed?

[1825] Fucking strong.

[1826] man I'm so glad anytime you give me weed I'm always forget how strong it is and every time I'm like fuck man you've got to be careful we go high grade up in this pitch son it's important to go high grade I think so yeah absolutely what do you think is uh what do you think is going to happen to us do you think we're going to get through this in uh relatively short order or do you think it's going to take five six months how only thing it's going to take the lockdowns are crazy I can haunt you like San Francisco go the lockdown is crazy three weeks 24 hours stay off the streets don't go to work yeah man i think we're probably going to like listen if you go if you want to hear my like just instinct which is definitely going to be wrong i think it's going to go it's going to get better much faster than we expect i don't know why i think that i have no reason to think that if you go by what they're saying we're looking at like months and months and months i guess like if i have to choose between listening to my own stoned intuition regarding stuff, which fits into my desires, which is I want it to blow over because I don't want people to get sick.

[1827] I don't want to live in the apocalypse.

[1828] I have a sun.

[1829] I don't want to run out of food.

[1830] I don't want things to get back to normal.

[1831] I want to go around people.

[1832] But if you look at like, unless we're living, unless it's some vast, ridiculous conspiracy, I think we're looking at least a couple of months, man. I mean, this is, and I'm going by not a conspiracy because I think that because I have a son now and if I listen to my own instincts when it comes to shit for my kid I'm going to be afraid to vaccinate him I'm going to be afraid to do things that like millions of scientific papers have shown as safe that's good for his health because I'm like going to get superstitious so I lean into science It saved my life, you know.

[1833] Science kept cancer for spreading through my body and killing me. I'm going to trust the scientists right now and self -isolate and try as much as possible to not spread this shit.

[1834] And I think that that's even if it turns out to be a panic, a hysteria, whatever, at least you were part of the people who weren't fucking going out and skiing during this fucking thing.

[1835] So I think it's going to go on longer.

[1836] And I think while it goes on longer, if you have the ability to limit human contact and to avoid the superstitious part of yourself that I've got two that's looking at this and thinking like, come on, really, I don't know anyone who's sick.

[1837] I don't know, I don't know.

[1838] It's also a rejection from change, a rejection of change that you don't have any control over.

[1839] Denial, man. You deny that it's happening.

[1840] Because that's the easiest thing to do.

[1841] If you deny that it's happening, you don't have to face the fear.

[1842] And if you don't face the fear, well, then you put yourself in.

[1843] danger but really probably i don't know how old you are out there but you really who you're putting in danger somebody's granddad yes that's the main thing is like and people with diseases people people with autoimmune disorders yeah people that are compromised there's a lot of us that are not that strong we in you know maybe some people are recovering from something you know like uh talking to uh jonathan ward yesterday and his wife's recovering from cancer she's going through chemo so like they they want to make sure she doesn't have to deal with any of this shit like you're not exposed to any of it those are the type of people we have to be really scared of people that are compromised right but this is you know this is a fucked up moment for us but a learning moment I really hope that this prepares us in case something really horrible comes down the pipe and I think I hope it prepares us for understanding that this is a possibility it lets us understand like hey we need to accept this this is this is how it goes and if there's some new shit that comes on let's act quicker and let's take care of this quicker and like if everybody just had a two week off thing like you know and this was something that uh dana white and uh frank fortita we're talking about uh before anyone did it frank fortita told dana white he's like why don't we just have everything shut down for two weeks just no one go to work no one do anything two weeks stop the planes and the way he explained it to me was like he said pulled the bandaid off of it i'm like that is actually probably a really good idea well guess what now that's being forced mandatory forced in certain cities where they've got bad outbreaks if they had just done that the moment it cut the moment it cut loose just no one goes anywhere for two weeks let's nip this fucking thing in the bud yeah if that was really done they're right it really i mean if you could really get that to be implemented at a scale of 350 million people amazing but you you could you definitely would have radically slowed down the pace we weren't ready we weren't ready well now we know yeah I hope I hope I hope we learn and I hope it doesn't morph and I hope it doesn't get more deadly and I hope you know they can figure out a way to allocate funds to get more respirators and you know all that shit has to be done and you can make your own hand sanitizer yeah I heard that too we can just wash your hands of soap too yeah you know soap apparently kills it what do you think are like the three things you should have at your house should have food you should have water or something that purifies water um whether they're water for water purification tablets they you can buy iodine tablets.

[1844] Why that?

[1845] What you think the city water is going to get turned out?

[1846] Anything can happen.

[1847] Anything can happen.

[1848] You might need to drink water that you don't want to drink.

[1849] Right.

[1850] You know, that's possible.

[1851] You might have to drink puddle water.

[1852] I mean, look, the reality is, if things go real bad, you might have to drink from a lake.

[1853] Right.

[1854] Okay.

[1855] And that's what water is.

[1856] You know, water, we take water from various sources and they purify it and, you know, rainwater and all kinds of other shit.

[1857] That's what we're drinking on a daily basis.

[1858] We're water, you're really supposed to be drinking is stuff that comes right out of the ground.

[1859] That's what you're supposed to be drinking.

[1860] But if you get stuff that's biologically infected, you get stuff that, you know, animals have been in, it's animal waste, feces and stuff, or bacteria or diseases or anything, you can purify that.

[1861] You can take these water tablets and you drop them in there and it kills everything.

[1862] It torches the water.

[1863] So in cases of emergency, like backpackers, they'll find out like an elk wallow and they can drink that water out of a fucking elk wallow.

[1864] Really?

[1865] Yeah, there's a thing called the Steripen.

[1866] There's another thing they use.

[1867] The Steripan actually uses ultraviolet light.

[1868] Let's say you have a water bottle, you fill it up with, like, elk piss, and you, like, wave your thing.

[1869] Because you're trying to stay alive.

[1870] You're out there.

[1871] If there's no water, like, if you're on, like, a high country desert mule deer hunt and you can't find any water, you've got to take water wherever you can get it.

[1872] Because you're not bringing all your water up there.

[1873] If you're staying there for 12 days, you're hoping you could find creeks, and you might not find a creek.

[1874] And if you do, it might be fucked up.

[1875] It might be a dead animal in it.

[1876] Like, shit.

[1877] like something might have gone there to die and polluted the water or beavers might have shit in it like you have to have something that kills all that stuff so that's something that people should have they should have i think you should have some sort of a first aid kit bandages things like that disinfectants antibiotics stuff like that you should probably have something like that in case something goes wrong and someone gets hurt and there's no hospital available or there's no doctor or you have to wait in the morning before you can take someone to a doctor whatever the fuck the problem is you should have to have that you should have uh batteries that you've charged right like cell phone get some backup batteries charge those bitches you know if you have a generator fantastic but some people can't afford one and they don't have the room for one they can't have one it's not feasible if you live in an apartment yeah but having charged batteries for phones is very important food and water food and water are number one right you want to have dried foods things like rice and pasta you could store a lot of it you could eat it's high in calories you can eat it you know And it doesn't take up too much room.

[1878] There's, you know, canned things you can keep forever.

[1879] That's what you want.

[1880] You want food that you could have, that you could keep you alive, you know.

[1881] Well, let me ask you this, man, because this is like something I've been talking to people.

[1882] And myself, I've experienced it a little bit.

[1883] I don't know if you have.

[1884] But what about those of us who are, like, kind of secretly freaking out right now, man?

[1885] Not so secretly.

[1886] Yeah.

[1887] How do we, to me, that's like, I think one of the big questions is, you know, I was talking to a friend of mine.

[1888] And he was like, man, I totally was losing my shit yesterday, man. And, like, I told him, like, dude, me too.

[1889] Yeah, but what, like, how the fuck are we going to deal?

[1890] It's just such a weird form of anxiety.

[1891] I've never had this kind of anxiety before.

[1892] It's...

[1893] There's an invisible monster.

[1894] Yeah.

[1895] Invisible monster that wants to kill your grandma.

[1896] Yeah.

[1897] You know?

[1898] Yeah.

[1899] An invisible monster that kills upwards, the high levels, like somewhere around 3 % of the people.

[1900] you know and with old people it's even worse with uh people over over 80 i think it's you know it's really deadly it's fucking scary man and what scary is this is only one of many that could be coming our way right and that this happens every you know x amount of years or something last one was you know h1n1 and SARS and this and that and there's always a new one and just a fucking flu man i didn't you know i didn't until we were looking into this i didn't know how many people the flu killed yeah the flu can kill 90 ,000 people in America every year yeah like I didn't know that did you know that I knew that so when they say this is 10 times more deadly than the flu you're like holy fuck maybe 15 times more yeah holy fuck that's a million people that's a million plus yeah that's scary that's scary that's scary and then you know other really horrible diseases that have devastated populations those are possible too and new ones are possible Joe, I was asking, how do we deal with the fucking anxiety?

[1901] Now I'm feeling the anxiety.

[1902] You've got to look at it for what it is.

[1903] This is reality.

[1904] The way to deal with anxiety is to be prepared as best you can, except where you are and what you are and who you are, and just live.

[1905] It reprioritizes our values.

[1906] That's what's going to be good out of this.

[1907] Nothing good ever comes from having it too easy.

[1908] For us, I think as a culture, Having it too easy was probably a little bit toxic to us, like always eating junk food.

[1909] We're always eating sugar.

[1910] That's all we're eating.

[1911] It's okay to eat cake every now and then, but you can't just live off cake.

[1912] Well, as a culture, there's a lot of what we were doing.

[1913] We're living off cake.

[1914] You know, have you ever seen that Werner Herzog documentary, happy people, life in the Taiga?

[1915] It's a great documentary about these really nomadic people that live in Siberia, and they're super happy.

[1916] and they live in these log houses that they build themselves they show them building these houses they don't have enough mosquito repellent they have to make their own mosquito repellent with like tar and they grind it up and add stuff to it and then rub it all over their face and everything and they're super happy they live up in Siberia dude it's so fucking cold it's only it's only summer for like three or four months it's only like nice out and then the rest is just bitter brutal cold where the winter freezes the river solid where you can ride a snowmobile over the river so they use the river like the highway and they all have dogs and they run around trapping and killing animals and living off the land and catching fish and living off the fish dude they're so happy what's fucked up is these people are encountering life -threatening adversity every day if you stay outside you will die right you will die just from exposure to the cold it will kill you it's 50 below zero outside it will fucking kill you and because of that they're all like happy and smiling and laughing and the documentary just shows like it's weird we're not we're never happy like this in a collective group unless we're all living in this constant state of like alertness and consequences for inaction like there's no lazy people there man everybody does their part you have to yeah and they're all working and laughing and they're all making their own canoes out of boards that they're chopping out of logs they're hollowing out these canoes and stretching them out and it's amazing man they're just always working and they're always happy it's so weird that's it that to me I think a lot of people don't realize that you can work together with people not for money just to do stuff for community and how fun that is when you find yourself even you know my wife and I fucking moving and like unpacking boxes it's been like non -stop for the last like four days like and we've had to like you know it's there's something in it even though it's terrifying that really is joyful and there's is so like feels more alive than I've felt in a long time I think that's the thing we've got to tune into is that if nothing else we're alive right now that's beautiful and yeah maybe this just extent maybe we can become unlike those people up there.

[1917] I mean, I think that's one of the, anytime a fucked up thing happens to you, personally, it's a chance to become a bitter piece of shit or a little more angry or a little more tired or a little more depressed or to become a hero, anything, whatever it may be, any bit of phenomena that comes your way as a person.

[1918] You know, anytime I find, like anytime something's really got to get done that I've been procrastinating or any time some shitty, unexpected thing comes my way.

[1919] I have a moment to decide, am I going to react to this?

[1920] Like, I always react to shitty things and become negative or dark or get pissed.

[1921] Or can I, like, react to it in a completely new way?

[1922] And I think every time you do a new way, this is my woo -woo concept, you pop into a different part of the multiverse.

[1923] It's a little better than the one you were in before.

[1924] And it's like a trajectory you can go on.

[1925] When I was getting stoned at the gym at 4 a .m. I was imagining on the treadmill that I was running through the multiverse towards a healthier version of me that I wasn't getting in shape.

[1926] I was actually being inhaled into a more in shape version of me that already existed.

[1927] That's the kind of shit I have to do to get myself to work out.

[1928] Dude, that's heavy.

[1929] Yeah, man. It's a fun, it's fun to do that, you know?

[1930] Every single decision is like a binary.

[1931] Do you want to continue doing the shit you've been doing over and over again?

[1932] whatever it may be or do you want to try a mildly new way and every time you do that sure is shit it's not just you that starts changing you'll notice like other stuff starts changing too around you you know things just tend to generally get better yeah I think there's there's thoughts that I've had that are real similar to that where I've wondered like if if multiverses are real and they're supposed to be different versions of you, infinite versions all over the universe.

[1933] Why are we assuming that this is the same, every day you wake up in the same version?

[1934] Yeah.

[1935] Why are we assuming that?

[1936] Exactly.

[1937] The thing about sleep is you just go away.

[1938] Then you come back with a memory of what life was like before you went away.

[1939] Yeah.

[1940] And you wouldn't notice if it just slid you one notch to the right or one notch to the left into the multiverse.

[1941] If there's an infinite number of donkins out there with gilly suits and gas masks on.

[1942] Yeah.

[1943] And you just slid over to the right by letting a little old lady in front of you and not even complaining when she was driving 30 miles an hour.

[1944] That's it.

[1945] You're like, it's all right.

[1946] She's a nice lady.

[1947] Let me just get around her nice and slow and safe.

[1948] Yeah, that's it.

[1949] Wave to her.

[1950] And the more you do that, the more you do that, the more you start running into other people who are doing the same thing.

[1951] You start ending up in that part of the multiverse where many other people are doing the same thing.

[1952] And eventually, you know, theoretically, I think, eventually through those series of decisions, maybe that's where you can like, that's where all of a sudden you start realizing like, oh shit, oh shit, I'm in a temple.

[1953] I'm not even in a reality that I thought I was in.

[1954] I was just like in a deep state of contemplative meditation.

[1955] Yeah.

[1956] And, you know, I don't know.

[1957] I mean, there's all kinds of interesting experiments you can do it.

[1958] Have you ever heard the term pro noia?

[1959] pro noia it's the opposite of paranoia where you think the universe is conspiring to help you instead of hurt you that's brilliant yeah maybe that's what we'll call our group pro noia pro noia yeah yes yeah that's it perfect yeah yeah it sounds like a dope band yeah gonna go see pro noia at the stable center pro noia it's fun if you do that if you really do imagine that every single thing that's happening in your life is a grand conspiracy to help you to advance you to bring you or another way to put it do you ever listen i love listening to christian radio this guy was talking about a thing called convection which is being inhaled into the christ so when you start like like a black hole well i think like a white hole i guess it would be a black hole gobbling up planets like you're being like drawn into this into the super intelligence and you're becoming in like you're being sort of lifted up into it the thing that makes the fucking big green egg work like the thing that sucks smoke up that's happening to you into the divine intelligence and as it happens you imagine you're the one doing the stuff to get you closer to it but really it's just your mind playing tricks on you you have no choice you're going to be you're going to wake up you're going to gain realization and and so as that's happening you kind of you know like you can quit something you can quit drinking you can quit smoking but you kind of long for it but then sometimes you notice you just stopped doing shit that was bad for you because you found a better way to live and it naturally falls away right that's convection you're being drawn into the divine mind as that happens the shit that looks like austerity when you're like further away begins to actually just be a natural way that you act you just become naturally more graceful, naturally less inclined to do shitty things, naturally more tuned in with like the 150 -year -old version of you, you know, that you sort of naturally, and that just happens on its own, because you're being convected into the Christ, sucked into the omega point.

[1960] The divine.

[1961] Yeah.

[1962] Mm, we should probably leave on that.

[1963] Should we end on that?

[1964] Yeah.

[1965] That's the perfect way to end, right?

[1966] Thanks, man. Thanks for let me come on your show.

[1967] It's only almost four o 'clock.

[1968] What?

[1969] How the fuck did that happen?

[1970] What the fuck?

[1971] Time warp, right?

[1972] This was a total time warp episode.

[1973] You and I always have the strangest episodes, man. We really do.

[1974] I don't believe it's four.

[1975] It's almost four.

[1976] It's three 46.

[1977] Normally I would have had to piss like three times.

[1978] You're evolving.

[1979] Dung and Trussell.

[1980] Tell everybody when your show is out.

[1981] Thank you, Joe.

[1982] April 20th on Netflix, the Midnight Gospel.

[1983] You can follow the Midnight Gospel on Twitter and Instagram.

[1984] And thanks Pendleton for making the show with me. Thanks, y 'all for watching it.

[1985] Thank you, let me plug it on your show, man. It looks awesome.

[1986] I can't wait to watch it.

[1987] It looks so Dunkin Trussell.

[1988] Thank you, Joe.

[1989] It's very you.

[1990] All right, we're going to keep on, keeping on, folks.

[1991] Stay healthy out there.

[1992] Much love.

[1993] Bye.

[1994] Hari Krishna.

[1995] Ooh, damn.