#857 - Dan Bilzerian

[0] Boom, and we're live.

[1] There's a lot of rich people in the world, but there's not a lot of rich people living like you.

[2] So, first of all, before we even get started, I salute you, sir, because if I was a 16 -year -old kid and I won the lottery, I'd be living exactly the way you live.

[3] Like, if you asked a 16 -year -old kid, hey, man, if you had fucking 100 million bucks, what would you do?

[4] Oh, dude, I just have, I just have bitches around me all the time.

[5] I'd be jet skiing.

[6] I'd be driving around in Ferraris and private jets.

[7] You're living like a life that doesn't even seem real.

[8] it's uh does it seem real to you um now it seems normal as crazy as that sounds um so i've been doing it for a while but that's actually kind of exactly what i did i was um i think it started in maybe like 2011 11 12 so i had a girlfriend for about two or three years and she was like pretty happy the fact she was a playmate she had like 100 000 followers and she was going to move to L .A. to become famous and this and that.

[9] And we end up breaking up.

[10] And I actually ended up getting a place in San Diego.

[11] Then I got a place in L .A. And I started playing this, you know, real big poker.

[12] And I mean, I beat one guy for like $54 million.

[13] And then, you know, I beat another guy for like 10.

[14] And you know, so there's like, you know, some pretty big.

[15] Jesus Christ.

[16] Yeah.

[17] Like, you know what I'm saying?

[18] It was like, there's some pretty big, you know, wins there.

[19] And, uh, and I was single and I was just like, you know what?

[20] Fuck it.

[21] I'm just kind to kind of like do bucketless shit like whatever i like whatever i wanted to do when i was a kid i'm just gonna fucking do it you know and i just did and i posted about it and it was like part of the posting was because i knew it'd be able to get me some pussy without like actually speaking to girls which was good and then there was like another piece of it where it was kind of like a fuck you to her right and then but it was like never like really to become famous you know what i mean it was just kind of like you know i was just doing my thing and you know we were getting pictures here and there and then it kind of i mean fuck it's you know i mean i sent you some of the stats i mean i think like a week ago like i fuck i reach a hundred and seventy five million people i'm just yeah it was insane you sent me uh some some measurement of all the different people that are looking at your stuff and i'll read it because it's it's insane analytics yeah like it doesn't even make sense these it's hundreds of millions of people here we'll see and here 161 million three 404 ,941 impressions this week.

[22] That's insane.

[23] And that's just Instagram.

[24] You know, like Facebook's the whole thing.

[25] You know, another thing.

[26] And it's really underrepresented because, first of all, everybody else is buying all their followers and likes and all their shit.

[27] So theirs is, like, really inflated.

[28] And also, I got actually kind of like the opposite because I got a lot of people that are looking at my shit.

[29] They can't really be seen looking at my shit.

[30] You know what I mean?

[31] Like, there's like some big producer, I won't say his name.

[32] but like every time I post a girl like they get hit up in the deal and this is like a big big like like you know like fucking done like 100 million dollars movies and shit and he's like hits them all up you know so there's like a lot of these dudes to just stalk me out like this Paul Marciano this fucking guy is like every time I like post a chick she's got a guest campaign now you know so it's like it's kind of funny you know it's great for them too then but what I'm saying is like they're not actually like officially followed me they didn't click that button but they're watching my shit they're stalking you eyes on target yeah yeah so they hit that search button and you're at the top of the list always because they're always searching you that's funny seems like so how long has this been going on when did you start making all these crazy posts and when did this gambling rampage start um well i mean i've been a gambler for a long time but um i think kind of the craziness i would say started in 2012 probably that's like i just distinctly remember because i i won like 11 million bucks in a night and my buddy who I'd just given like $2 ,000 to made me a million off it because he got second in the World Series of Poker.

[33] So I had like a $12 million week, so I was like, fuck it.

[34] I'm going to take this dude down to like Porta Varda with a bunch of chicks and we're going to have fun, you know, and that was kind of like, that was one of the big, actually, no, I'm sorry, I'd take that back.

[35] I'd broken up my girlfriend and it was a buddy mine, Nick Cassavetes, who he's like, you know, he's pretty big.

[36] He did like the notebook and blow and, you know, like big director or whatever.

[37] and I played poker with him a lot and I just broke up my girl and I was like hey let's go down to Cabo I'm gonna bring some chicks and it was supposed to meet him and one other guy and the other guy ended bail him but he had like committed so he paid for his part of the trip so it was me and Nick and I think it was like I want to say 17 chicks and I remember I had sex nine times and one day I was like so proud of myself right I think by the end I was like it was like dust was coming out you know but it was like it was funny because I like I didn't even want to have sex the night time, but it was just kind of like a matter of principle.

[38] It's like if a billionaire is walking down the street and he sees a $100 bill, he's just always going to pick it up.

[39] You know what I mean?

[40] That was me. I didn't get a lot of pussy when I was younger.

[41] So it was like, if the hot chick wanted to fuck, I didn't care if I wanted a beggar, it was just like out of obligation.

[42] So 17 girls.

[43] Yeah.

[44] Now, do you pay these girls to come?

[45] No. No. Okay, so.

[46] That's the big misconception.

[47] Yeah, I'm addressing that on my app.

[48] I actually.

[49] You have an app.

[50] Yeah, I got an app coming out.

[51] And I, and I, I'm I'm just going to basically, but you know, I'll give it to you for free, you know?

[52] Thank you.

[53] I'm not opposed to paying for sex, you know?

[54] Like, I mean, I have in the past.

[55] Like, I've, you know, fuck thousands of girls.

[56] So it's like, you know, and I've paid for maybe like 10 or 20, something like that.

[57] And it's not because I have any, you know, moral dilemma about it.

[58] And it's not because I think it's wrong.

[59] In fact, I think like sex for money is one of the most, like, pure interactions.

[60] Because the guy gets what he wants, the girl gets what she wants.

[61] There's no bullshit.

[62] I think, like, this whole, like, sugar daddy, sugar baby thing is the biggest fucked up part because then the guy's, like, pretending to like the girl.

[63] He's pretending to like the girl's pretending to like him.

[64] It's just like all this, like, convoluted bullshit.

[65] Well, it is prostitution.

[66] And it is.

[67] At the end of the day, like, it is paying for sex, right?

[68] But they're not coming out and saying it.

[69] It's not like, hey, I want X and I'll give you why.

[70] Like the guy from the clippers with Donald Sterling and that girl, come on, man. That's prostitians.

[71] They're all doing it.

[72] It's L .A., bro.

[73] They all have, like, you know, these five girlfriends.

[74] They're supporting them.

[75] And then the girls have other boyfriends.

[76] They don't tell, you know.

[77] And it's this whole fucked up thing.

[78] But like I said, but for me, like I said, it's not a moral thing.

[79] It's not a, I mean, for me, it's not a monetary thing.

[80] Obviously, I'd much prefer to just give a girl a money fucker and be done.

[81] But for me, if the girl's not into me, then I'm just like kind of not into the sex.

[82] So that's the hangout for me. But no, I, like.

[83] That's actually healthy.

[84] Yeah.

[85] I mean.

[86] I mean, it is.

[87] I mean, people make these big judgments.

[88] They're going to make big judgments.

[89] you first of all because you're doing some stuff that's just like so far to the right end of the spectrum it doesn't even make sense like how the fuck is he pulling all this off it doesn't it's like it seems unattainable so they're gonna make well he's this guy's wrong and he's i would never do that and they're saying a bunch of crazy shit because the way you're living is just so bizarre but at the end of the day that's the thing like people just like can't wrap their hands around the fact that like you know they that because so many guys are paying right now like people are tricking off in record numbers like because of instagram and all this stuff and the access that people have, like...

[90] Tricking off being paying for sex?

[91] Paying for sex in like record numbers.

[92] Like, it's unbelievable.

[93] First of all, it should be legal.

[94] Just like getting a massage should be legal.

[95] You know, nobody wants to rub your feet.

[96] Nobody wants to suck your dick.

[97] You should be able to pay both of them.

[98] It's the oldest profession, like, since the history of time.

[99] It is.

[100] It is.

[101] Well, not only that, they taught chimpanzees, the value of currency.

[102] They gave chimpanzees coins, and they gave them coins.

[103] And then every time the chimps did give the coins, To back to the people that'd give them candy You know what the chimps did?

[104] The first fucking thing they did they gave the coins The female chimps and they fucked them That's amazing That's the first thing they did And the researchers were like Jesus That is number one The first thing they did That's funny I didn't know that Yeah it's hilarious I used to have a whole bit about it It's it's nothing There's nothing wrong with it And like making pleasure A crime is ridiculous There's no victim No one's getting hurt Think of all the shitty jobs that you can get paid to do you can get paid to clean toilets you can get paid to fucking insulate addicts there's a lot of terrible jobs how about you can get paid to mop up the cum on a fucking you know on the floors of these like you know jerk houses or the porn place or whatever you know it's it's like i mean i don't know like i said i have no issues with it i i think it should be legal um it's a victimless crime yeah i just like for like i For me, it's the, it's the mental thing.

[105] And I just, like, I got, you know, I couldn't fuck all the girls, you know, if I had five dicks.

[106] So it's like, what, you know, what's the point?

[107] And I'm not, like, bragging.

[108] Like, I didn't used to.

[109] I'm just, you know, I'm just kicking you the real deal.

[110] You know, it's like, I would.

[111] I said there's no victims.

[112] I guess there is some, there's victims of some prostitution, right?

[113] There's people that are abducted and there's certain people that are, like, sex traffic, like sex slaves.

[114] That's real.

[115] But we're not talking about that.

[116] We're talking about...

[117] That's exactly what you said, though.

[118] That's sex slavery.

[119] That's not really like a girl saying, hey, I want X for Y. That's sort of saying, hey, you've got to do this and you're getting your ass beat kind of thing.

[120] Yeah, there's a big, way big difference, way big difference between that and a lot of what you see in L .A. As these girls, they want to wear the nice purses and have nice shoes or they don't really want a job and they want to live in a nice apartment, but they don't want to work.

[121] How do I work this out?

[122] And by the way, getting back to your last thing, if it was...

[123] legal?

[124] There wouldn't be, you know, the pimp saying, hey, you're going to do this, you're going to get your ass beat.

[125] It would all be regulated.

[126] Just like drug dealers.

[127] Yeah.

[128] And also then then they'd be getting, you know, tested and, you know, there'd just be like a whole regulated system.

[129] Exactly.

[130] I mean, as much as I hate pain pills and as much as I've lost friends to pain pills and oxies and all this different shit, there's no fucking wars being fought over it.

[131] There's not blood in the streets of Juarez, Mexico, over pain pills.

[132] You know, all that shit is over drugs that are illegal.

[133] As soon as those drugs become legal, I think probably less people would use them and you'd get tax dollars from them and at least there would be some sort of a solution in terms of like treatment and responsibility and he'd be able to look at it a little bit differently.

[134] Yeah, I just think there's too much money and kickbacks for that to happen but I totally agree.

[135] I mean, I think alcohol is far worse for you than many drugs.

[136] And I mean, you know, how many times have you seen people get into, you know, fights or shoot people or, you know, wreck their cars because they're high on or high on weed, you know, it never happens.

[137] It never happens.

[138] On alcohol, you know, more people are dying from, you know, alcohol -related deaths than there are firearms that they want to ban the guns, you know.

[139] Yeah, it's, there's a lot of real problems with that, for sure.

[140] And, you know, there's also these companies, like the company that makes fentanyl, does I say it?

[141] Fentanyl?

[142] It's a super strong pain pill, a painkiller that's 10 times, at least more powerful than Oxycontins, I believe that's where the number is.

[143] They're spending $500 ,000 just to keep marijuana illegal in Arizona because they're They're, you know, they've got it on the ballot to make it recreationally legal in the state of Arizona.

[144] And so they're putting out all these ads and they have this whole campaign to try to sway people.

[145] But they're just doing it for business.

[146] There's nothing to do with public safety or health.

[147] You see that fucking thing about Hillary Clinton, one of the WikiLeaks things, that Hillary Clinton, she, the WikiLeaks released some paper where she was in communication with bankers, one of the emails.

[148] And she was saying that she was going to stop weed and she was going to make sure that weed, was not legal, that she was going to do her best and stand her ground and all this nonsense.

[149] Leak reveals Clinton promised bankers to stand against marijuana legalization.

[150] Like, what the fuck, Hillary?

[151] She's pretty brutal.

[152] Just what the fuck.

[153] I know you're bought and sold, but don't you have enough money, lady?

[154] How much money you need?

[155] Unless you're gambling with Dan Bilzerian, where the fuck's all your money going?

[156] I mean, it's kind of funny because what do they pay these presidents?

[157] Like $250K a year?

[158] $400 ,000 a year, and they're all that.

[159] worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

[160] Yeah, or billionaires, you know.

[161] It's insane.

[162] Yeah.

[163] Well, not only that.

[164] Like, she was trying to say that once Bill got out of the office, he was dead broke.

[165] Well, you're not dead broke now.

[166] So how the fuck did you guys make all that money?

[167] They're worth hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars.

[168] Yeah.

[169] And it's all from speaking arrangements and pay to play and weird fucking shady deals they have with banks and they do these speeches that nobody wants to fucking hear and they pay them quarter million bucks an hour.

[170] It's all preposterous.

[171] Yeah, I mean, the more money you have and the more you kind of rub short, With these people, you kind of get a look behind the curtain, and you see that, you know, it's just, it's, I mean, politics, if you look up the definition of politics, I mean, it's like bullshitting, right?

[172] Yeah.

[173] Well, that is being political, right?

[174] It's not being yourself.

[175] Yeah, exactly.

[176] Which is the opposite of what you're doing.

[177] Yeah.

[178] I mean, you're kind of like an anti -politician in a lot of ways.

[179] But do you, what I want to get at, though, is do you get hit up because you're so wealthy?

[180] Do you get hit up by people that are in the political spectrum that want to use your influence?

[181] and you have...

[182] How many fucking followers do you have?

[183] It's 19.

[184] Something on Instagram and it's 10 .5 million on Facebook and Twitter, so whatever.

[185] But I mean...

[186] That's insane.

[187] That's more than the whole UFC.

[188] Yeah, the reach is crazy.

[189] Yeah, look at it.

[190] 19 .2 million followers.

[191] That's crazy.

[192] And it's all just pictures of you, grabbing titties.

[193] Like, look at this one right here.

[194] This is one...

[195] This one's hilarious.

[196] It's like someone told you that you should post something a little more...

[197] Well, my team is like, You got to clean this up.

[198] You know, like, you know, there's a big money.

[199] I'm going to be your new team.

[200] Fuck your team.

[201] Exactly.

[202] They're like, there's all this money out there.

[203] You know, you know, this, you know, this, uh, this is the rock.

[204] You got paid $17 million to endorse Ford.

[205] They're like, you can make all this money.

[206] He did?

[207] Yeah.

[208] Oh.

[209] What do you do?

[210] Just drive a truck?

[211] Yeah, basically drives a truck and does a Ford commercial.

[212] 17 million.

[213] It's probably worth it, though, for them.

[214] The Rock has like 67 million or some insane shit.

[215] But he's a goddamn movie star.

[216] You know, you're a dude who takes pictures with chicks.

[217] That's a thing.

[218] You know.

[219] Like, I feel like I got to be maybe, like, the most famous guy that never had, like, a TV show or, like, a real talent.

[220] Oh, 100%.

[221] There's not, no one even close.

[222] It's kind of rare to be, like, number one in anything, you know?

[223] So it's kind of cool.

[224] You're the number one baller.

[225] Well, I don't know about that.

[226] From America?

[227] You're the number one baller.

[228] I'm giving you the crown right now.

[229] If I had a little Burger King crown, I'd put it on your head.

[230] I could tell you some stories about some guys that got.

[231] But they don't know who you are.

[232] They don't, nobody knows who they are.

[233] You're the number one public baller.

[234] Yeah.

[235] Okay.

[236] For sure.

[237] I'm the only guy that's kind of putting it out there.

[238] Because, you know, most guys, they got a job, they got a wife, they got family, you know, whatever.

[239] I just kind of just said, fuck all of it.

[240] You know, like, they can accept me or not, and I'm just going to do it.

[241] How old are you?

[242] 35.

[243] Do you think that there's going to come a day when this is going to be tired?

[244] And if it does come a day, do you think you're ever going to go the marriage route?

[245] Is that possible at this point?

[246] So look, you know, I mean, I'm a gambler, but I don't want to bet half a minute worth.

[247] I'm going to love a girl forever.

[248] But, you know, it's not to say that I wouldn't, you know, have a girlfriend or, you know, I'm capable of being monogamous.

[249] You know, it's just, for me, it's more about options, really.

[250] Like, at the end of the day, like, comes down to most guys earn relationships, I feel like, because it's either, hey, I'm going to jerk off on Saturday night or I got to put up with her shit and I get late, you know?

[251] And it's like, and a lot of it's out of laziness, a lot of it's out of lack of options.

[252] whatever the case may be, but it's not correct.

[253] Like, for me, I think a correct relationship is a guy that could be fucking, you know, five or ten girls, and he chooses to hang out with this one girl because he likes her, and he likes hanging out with her, and she hangs out with him because she enjoys his company.

[254] And regardless of what the reason is, you know, because a lot of people are like, oh, you know, that girl's a gold digger, they want to hate on them.

[255] But, you know, at the end of the day, if a guy has made his money from, you know, successful business and, you know, being smart.

[256] and he hasn't fucked it off or he's a doctor or whatever that to me is more of a part of who that guy is than a girl that's just born hot so for a guy to like a girl just because she's hot I feel like it's like the most superficial thing of all time well I mean she has to be nice too she can't I mean hopefully she does but I'm saying a lot of guys are with a girl just because she's hot and they don't really get as much shit as a girl that's with a guy because he's successful or because he has money it's true it is true it is true Like the guy who earned that money, it's his character and his willpower and his discipline that's allowed him, his smarts has allowed him to earn that money, or he just got lucky as fuck.

[257] There's definitely some lucky ones.

[258] But, you know, you also have to hold on to it.

[259] Yeah.

[260] I mean, once you got money, I mean, you got every asshole in their mother with their hand out, you know, trying to scam you.

[261] And, I mean, it's easy to, you know, fuck it off or, you know, make bad investments or, you know, whatever the case might be.

[262] Yeah, it is.

[263] That's a, it is a funny little situation there, isn't it?

[264] because, like, it's also the way women are allowed to dress, even like a respectable woman is allowed to have her tits pressed together and pushed up, and she's allowed to have a skirt that's just like a little, a little light vagina curtain, you know?

[265] And that's really all it is, little panties underneath and smooth legs and high heels.

[266] I mean, the whole thing is sex.

[267] It's just selling lust.

[268] Let's talk about bathing suits.

[269] I mean, the fact that every bathing suit now is basically a thong, and the fact that, that, like, a banding suit shows more than, like, the most revealing underwear back in the day ever used to, right?

[270] But it's, like, completely socially acceptable.

[271] Then on Halloween, they can wear even less than that.

[272] They paint their tits.

[273] Yeah, it's, like, literally butt naked.

[274] They're allowed to wear paint.

[275] Yeah.

[276] When the fuck did paint become close?

[277] Imagine we put paint on our dick and went out.

[278] You get arrested, right?

[279] Yeah.

[280] Well, how come a girl can wear paint on her tits, but you can't wear paint on your dick?

[281] I want to know.

[282] Yeah.

[283] I want to know.

[284] Oh, that's a double standard.

[285] It is a double standard.

[286] Nobody wants to see your dick painted it up.

[287] why, especially if it's like American flag or something.

[288] Yeah, I don't want to see a bunch of zebra dicks around either.

[289] It is weird.

[290] There are weird double standards, but it's also people don't want to open their mouth because they don't want, first of all, they don't want anybody to think that they, you know, like, why do women get to do this?

[291] Oh, what do you complain in?

[292] Poor guy.

[293] You know, you don't want to hear that.

[294] But it's also when men complain about the double standard in, like marriage, like what you said, as far as it being a gamble, it's a terrible gamble for a wealthy man. It's terrible.

[295] Because like it's essentially a financial agreement.

[296] It's not a love agreement.

[297] Well, no, you're asking the government permission to be with a girl.

[298] And if you decide that you don't want to be with them, now you have to go ask the government.

[299] And then you have to get lawyers involved.

[300] And it's this whole process that in my eyes, it makes both parties feel, well, not both parties.

[301] Because usually, you know, it's kind of like a magnet.

[302] Like one is pushing a little bit further than the other.

[303] And it's, you know, so there's one kind of like always chasing or whatever so for me it just makes the party that's a little bit less invested just feel trapped and when you're in relationship and you feel trapped the first thing you want to do is run right so you got this one person you know that inevitably ends up feeling trapped and the other person you know kind of gets lazy or complacent and i feel like it just snowballs you know there's like a lot of momentum things right so if relationships just starts kind of going downhill and you're trapped in it because you're legally bound i just feel like it's just going to get worse and worse and the girls going to stop giving the blow job, and the guy's going to resent it, and then maybe he cheats.

[304] You know what I mean?

[305] It's like this whole cycle that just wouldn't happen if you were hanging out because you wanted to hang out, because let's face it, if you're, if you're hanging out with a chick and you like her and she's cool, and then she just decides to just completely let herself go and she turns into a fat ass, or she just like stops wanting to have sex, you're just going to, you know, fuck other girls or you're just not going to hang out with it, right?

[306] But if you're married to her, you don't really have a choice.

[307] I mean, now you're kind of like, you got to ask the government permission and, you know, this and that.

[308] Yeah, you've got to get lawyers involved.

[309] You live in the same place.

[310] place you gotta oh it takes forever you have to agree on terms and you have to pay for her lawyer yeah how brutal is that like you're like literally like trapped in the same house as the person you know it's just like yeah it can get crazy it can get crazy and i've seen it get crazy i'm sure you have to when people get divorced i mean it is one of the most stressful things a person can go through in their life and when you're working you're working all day and if she's not working that's when it's really crazy i had a buddy was going through a divorce His wife never worked, and he was working, you know, 10, 12 hours a day, just busting his ass, constantly at his own business, and she would be fucking off and doing whatever she wanted during the day.

[311] He had to pay for all that on top of paying for her lawyer, and her lawyer was trying to fuck him.

[312] And then he had to pay for his lawyer to battle her lawyer, and they all just dragged the whole thing out.

[313] It took over a year and a half for him to get divorced.

[314] So it was a year and a half, this poor bastard just, I mean, he's free now, but goddamn, but try to get him married now.

[315] He'll fucking shoot you in the face.

[316] even bring up that word it's like he went through it i mean they have a term for it in gambling it's a negative free roll it's where you can basically only lose you have no upside you know like like for instance a negative free roll is like if i were to tell you hey um you know if you can go bench press 300 pounds i'll give you 10 000 well i just can't win anything you know what i mean because if you can't do it then i don't get anything so it's kind of like in my eyes i just feel like it's a situation where you can just lose it's kind of like my buddy he got into a relationship and he just like dove in like super hardcore really fast and i just told him i said look like i just feel like you don't have a lot of upside by doing that because you know you can get hurt and if you just take it slow like worst case scenario you know you just weren't quite as close for a month but i said you know if it doesn't work out then now you invested you know all this time and this effort and it's like and and i feel like because he went so hardcore for this girl it kind of like you know sometimes it makes them run away a little bit because they know you know people you know they just by nature want what they can't have right so if you just give it all to them immediately then it's kind of like look at this bitch yeah exactly they kind of like lose respect for you a little bit it can happen or it can be perfect you know relationships just have to be organic that's what it really has to be and as soon as you involve legal contracts it's not organic anymore exactly like once it once it starts to be forced in any way you know then well it's when there's no prenuptial too that's when things get really screwy you know when you find out how much people actually have to pay yeah like I've talked about it on my podcast before but I have another buddy who's paying his ex -wife for the rest of her life they were married for 12 years he has to pay her forever forever yeah she's got a new boyfriend he's married he's got kids now with another woman that's the most brutal part is when they when they get at the boyfriend and now you're like supporting this dude to bang your wife not only that the dude lives in his house and every time they send a lawyer over to check the guy packs up his stuff it's like a joke He throws it in a U -Haul, he drives around the corner, waits for the inspector to leave, goes all the way around and brings his shit back.

[317] It's fucking insanity because, you know, he's got this baller house in the palisades he's living with this girl.

[318] And the only way she gets screwed up is if she marries this guy, but this guy doesn't have any money.

[319] So she's never going to marry this guy.

[320] I mean, she would have to bank on marrying this guy would be worth, I think my buddy pays her somewhere around a half million dollars a year.

[321] Forever!

[322] Forever!

[323] For life!

[324] So they were married for 12 years They've been divorced for 15 So he's been paying her Longer than they were married Just just want to just fucking jump off a bridge But that's you know Like I said negative fruit I just I don't see the upside right Well it's so rare that it works out the other way It's so rare that a woman has to pay a man And it's one of those things where It's like men are being victimized Left and right by this And when you talk to people about it There was like oh you well you fucked up well you shouldn't have done it well you should have got a pre -nup well okay maybe maybe you could say all those things yes maybe was a mistake but it was obviously a mistake under the the whole spell of love and to have this be a financial entanglement that can trap you and this I'm talking about my friend doesn't even have any kids he didn't have any kids with this lady so it's it's insanity it's just it's just a robbery it's just a legalized robbery and I was having this conversation with a buddy mine who is married he's like well you know you You know, I don't look at it that way.

[325] I go, look at it this way.

[326] The business of divorce, and it is a business.

[327] Whenever there's money involved in something, there's a bunch of people that try to figure out how to extract that money.

[328] The lawyers.

[329] Yeah, the only money is in taking the money from the rich guy.

[330] That's where the money comes from.

[331] That's the only way you get the money.

[332] You don't get the money if the girl doesn't make much money.

[333] And everybody wins if the rich guy gets fucked.

[334] So if the legal battle for the divorce lasts two years as opposed to two minutes, everybody gets paid.

[335] Yeah.

[336] The both lawyers on both sides make a substantial amount of money.

[337] The woman gets a substantial amount of money.

[338] The guy gets fucking drained like a vampire.

[339] And that's what happens, predominantly.

[340] Yeah, which is usually the outcome of, you know, a lot of times when a rich guy gets involved in anything is, yeah, he gets drained.

[341] And that kind of goes back to my previous point of why I feel like women that are attracted to guys that are successful, you know, it makes sense because there's just so many people trying to take that motherfucker down.

[342] You know, like when you're at the top of the hill, like, you know, everybody wants to, you know, get up there and, you know, bring you down.

[343] Well, it's just nature.

[344] I mean, it's just like a moose having a fucking giant set of antlers.

[345] All the other moose are like, oh, look at those antlers.

[346] You know, I mean, it's just, it's a thing that exists in all different species.

[347] I mean, there's no denying that when a guy pulls up and it rolls Royce and he flies in his own private jet, and he does a bunch of things that nobody else can do, that people just go, oh.

[348] And women automatically, genetically get attracted to that guy for some strange reason.

[349] There is you.

[350] There you are, buddy.

[351] Ballin out of control.

[352] How did you get all your money originally?

[353] So that's another common misconception.

[354] And I didn't really talk about it or say anything about it just because it helped me out so much in poker.

[355] But everybody just thought that I was, you know, rich trust.

[356] fund idiot um and my parents gave me all my money so that actually allowed me to get into a lot of these poker games um because they thought you were a fish yeah it's like a weird thing um it's not just that but in poker i've noticed that if a guy loses money to another guy and he knows that money is going to help that other guy out or his quality of life is going to be improved by that money it really fucking irritates him like yeah and i'm guilty of it too if i lose five million dollars to a billionaire, it doesn't bother me nearly as much as if I lose maybe a couple hundred thousand to some guy that's like pretty broke.

[357] And now he goes out and buys a new fucking car with my money and I'm just like, this fucking guy.

[358] You know what I mean?

[359] Like, oh, that's weird.

[360] I don't know why.

[361] And it's kind of counterintuitive, you know.

[362] But another thing about it is, like, if you lose money to a guy that has a bunch, like, you always think that, you know, there's a chance you could win it back too.

[363] So there's that piece of it.

[364] If you lose money to a guy that doesn't really have much and he goes out and spends it, well, like, you're never getting it back.

[365] again.

[366] Yeah, that exists in pool.

[367] Like a lot of guys don't want to gamble with guys only have one barrel.

[368] Yeah.

[369] A guy will play a game pool for a hundred bucks, but he's only got a hundred bucks.

[370] But you might have 10 ,000.

[371] Exactly.

[372] So you look at your upside.

[373] It's like, okay, best case scenario, I walk away from this with this guy's last hundred bucks, which to me, some guys get off on that, to me, I don't really ever want to break a guy.

[374] Right.

[375] But then you look at the down swing of that is like, okay, I could like, you know, spend 10 ,000 trying to chase my initial hundred bucks that I lost.

[376] So you have to take that.

[377] There's just a lot of things in gambling that you have taken into account, you know, with the, with the money management side.

[378] Psychological things.

[379] So how did you make your money then?

[380] Playing poker.

[381] You made it all playing poker.

[382] Wow.

[383] That is insane.

[384] So what did you do for a living before you played poker?

[385] I mean, I was in the military for four years.

[386] And when I got out, got honorable discharge.

[387] And I, you know, I was getting some disability money from the VA just because I, you know, I got a lot of injuries when I was going through buds and, and just, and not even just injuries, all the medical checks that they do, they just document all the things that are wrong with you.

[388] So you get a percentage for all those things.

[389] Like what kind of shit was wrong with you?

[390] Fuck, I mean, I first time I went in, I had bilateral stress fractures.

[391] So I was, you know, I went into buds of broken legs.

[392] And so I was, you know, eating a bunch of motoring.

[393] It burned a hole in my stomach.

[394] I had acid reflux.

[395] They ended up getting so bad.

[396] They were actually going to kick me out of the Navy.

[397] So you're going through buds with broken legs?

[398] The first time I went in, yeah.

[399] Nobody knew that.

[400] You just thought your legs are sore?

[401] Well, no, I got medically dropped.

[402] The first, so, I mean, it's kind of a long story, but I'll try and give you the clip notes.

[403] So I went to boot camp, and the furthest I ever ran was like two miles.

[404] And it was straight at a high school because I got thrown in jail, my senior year of high school.

[405] So I didn't graduate.

[406] I got to get a GD.

[407] See, that kids, you don't need a degree.

[408] Yeah.

[409] Just learn how to play poker.

[410] Well, we'll get to that.

[411] So I end up joining the military, go through boot camp.

[412] In A school, I was, you know, I was trying to ramp up, because I'm like, fuck.

[413] going to steel training, I got to, you know, I got to start running.

[414] So I started running.

[415] I got an overuse injury, turned into stress fracture.

[416] Uh, they basically put me on a medical hold.

[417] And my detailer said, look, you can stay on this medical hold through your legs are healed.

[418] And then I'm going to send you to a ship for two years.

[419] And then you can apply or else you can get cleared and go straight to steel training.

[420] So I was like, okay, got cleared, went to seal training.

[421] They dropped me the first day.

[422] I had to request to talk to the captain.

[423] And finally, the captain's like, okay, you know, I'll let you, I'll let you try.

[424] Because I basically said, look, just give me a shot.

[425] I'm already here.

[426] Like, let me just train what's the worse that can happen.

[427] I'm not going to die.

[428] I can, you know, break the leg worse.

[429] So I said, if I make it through Hellweek, just give me a medical role.

[430] He's like, yeah, sure, kid, go ahead.

[431] So the guy let me train.

[432] That was actually the first bet I made.

[433] My doctor, who was like a Vietnam seal.

[434] He's like, he was so fucking pissed that the CEO allowed me to train.

[435] So he's like, I'll bet you $100.

[436] You don't make it through Hellweek.

[437] There's $100 or $20.

[438] I forget which.

[439] But I bet the guy, and I won the fucking money.

[440] And three weeks after, I was just, I mean, I could barely walk, you know.

[441] So I ended up getting rolled and then they kicked me out.

[442] And so I went to my ship and the ship was like, the captain of the ship wanted to take me out to sea even though it was supposed to be on crutches.

[443] So I was like this motherfucker.

[444] So after going through like the hardest thing and then getting dropped, now I'm on a boat and I'm supposed to be like healing up.

[445] and this guy wants to take me out at sea.

[446] So I go to Okinawa, and I requested to go in to see my wisdom teeth.

[447] And then when I was there, I was like, hey, you know, check my legs.

[448] They're like, okay, we'll do a nuclear bone scan.

[449] So when I was supposed to go in from, they said, you know, come back in two hours.

[450] So I went for a two hour run.

[451] And in just like my fucking, not even like my fatigues, it was like a work uniform.

[452] It was like a button down a shirt.

[453] I went for a two hour run, took a shower, came back.

[454] And I looked at my legs and I'm like, your legs.

[455] are fucking destroyed like i can't believe you can walk i'm like yeah these motherfuckers you know and so they're going to kick me out of the navy so it like that was i was going to get medically discharged from the navy and it took them so long that i actually requested to go back and i just i'll never forget because i went in to talk to the co of my it was like a limited duty um security detail or whatever and he goes let me get this straight he goes you're about to be medically retired from the military he He goes, for broken legs, and you want me to approve a request for you to go to seal training.

[456] He goes, how fucking stupid are you?

[457] And I was just like, and I didn't really know what to say.

[458] I was, sir, you know, this and that.

[459] It's just like, he's like, get the fuck out of my office.

[460] And I was like thinking about it.

[461] I was like, well, fuck.

[462] Like, I, you know, I'm like, He'll have been doing steroids.

[463] I feel great.

[464] I've been like fucking working out.

[465] Like, it's been like eight months, right?

[466] Like, I feel like I could go do this again.

[467] So I ended up pulling some strings.

[468] and uh and basically i just had to get cleared and then i had to pray that i got sent to buds because if not i'd go to a ship and then i had to it was just like it would be the biggest disaster of all time so that was one of my biggest gambles was doing that i had like a you know free ride for the rest of my life medically retired like you know i'm a disabled veteran like you know all this great shit and i kind of like gave it up to go back and um yeah i went into his office and And he goes, he goes, he goes, you might be the stupidest motherfucker I've ever seen.

[469] He goes, he goes, he goes, you just better hope that you don't end up back at this command.

[470] He goes, he goes, he goes, you're going to be cleaned of fucking toilets until you get discharged.

[471] And, yeah, so that was.

[472] So how would they have discharged, how would they have paid you for life from broken legs?

[473] I mean, don't the legs heal up and then you're okay?

[474] That's the thing is like, it just, it had been basically since it was documented because when I got out of, um, boot camp in A school I had them and I had them all through buds.

[475] Where is it broken?

[476] Bilateral tibial stress fractures so my tibus.

[477] That's the big one, right?

[478] The fibula is a smaller one.

[479] The shin?

[480] The tibia is the shin.

[481] It was in the shins.

[482] I don't remember which, but I think it was the bigger one.

[483] And then so all through buds and then on the boat.

[484] So it was basically like, you know, I had broken legs for like a year and a half or a year and seven months.

[485] It was insane.

[486] It was basically like they're like, okay, well this guy's legs are just never going to fucking heal, right?

[487] Like, that was kind of like the military's take on it was like, okay, well, he's been on limited duty like this and that.

[488] Like, his leg should have healed by now and they just aren't.

[489] So, what are we going to do with them?

[490] So why wasn't it healing?

[491] I'm still confused.

[492] Well, because I went through seal training.

[493] That kind of fucked them up a little bit.

[494] And then, you know, I was on the boat and I wasn't allowed to use crutches.

[495] And then I think, obviously, the final straw was probably me fucking going on a two -hour run.

[496] So did you do that on purpose?

[497] Fuck, yeah, I did it on purpose, yeah.

[498] But what was the goal of fucking your legs?

[499] To get the fuck off the ship.

[500] I was like, this, you know, this captain was such a dickhead.

[501] It's like, bro, I went through all this fucking pain, you know what I mean?

[502] Like, I went through, you know, seal training.

[503] It's like, let my legs heal, you fucking cock sucker.

[504] Like, the guy, like, wanted me to, like, stand watches on the boat.

[505] It was, like, kind of like, it's basically like a fuck you to him.

[506] So you crushed your own legs to get off the boat and then tried to get into seal training.

[507] Yeah, well, it took them so long, you know, it took him so long to process me out of the military that they had healed.

[508] And so I was like, wow, fuck.

[509] Wow.

[510] That's hilarious.

[511] So just from those broken legs, you could have been set up where you got a pension forever.

[512] Yeah.

[513] And not only that, but like if you're like a disabled veteran, you get like, you're eligible for like a lot of shit.

[514] You know, if you're like medically retired, it's kind of like, you know, you went in the military and you tried to, you know, be in there forever and like you just got injured.

[515] You know what I mean?

[516] So they, like, make a lot of, you know, allowances for people like that.

[517] Like, I think they give you, like, your first loan in your house for free.

[518] There's, like, a whole bunch of shit.

[519] Huh.

[520] Yeah, I remember because I looked into it when I gave it all up.

[521] So then, what happens then?

[522] So, well, then I went back into the buds or seal training or whatever.

[523] And I made it two days before graduation, and I got rolled all the way back to the beginning.

[524] and then I did the whole fucking thing again.

[525] Why did you get rolled all the way back to the beginning?

[526] So when I went through the second time, I kind of had the attitude of just like, fuck, I've already done this shit.

[527] And I just, you know, also, I don't know.

[528] I mean, I was just in great shape and I just, I wasn't worried about anything.

[529] So my attitude was like, okay, well, worst case scenario, I'm just going to get beat and I don't really care.

[530] So I just figured if I passed everything and I, like, performed well, and I didn't quit, like, they couldn't kick me out.

[531] So I kind of didn't really, like, kiss ass or anything.

[532] I was just like, whatever, like, you know, and if I fucked up, it's like, okay, I'll get beat.

[533] Like, you know, I was, like, pretty hard, dude, I've been training for, you know, like, two years.

[534] I'd already been through hell week.

[535] And now I'm, like, doing it without broken legs, you know, like, going through with broken legs.

[536] Now I'm, like, heal.

[537] I'm like, fuck, you know, like, nothing can be bad now.

[538] So it's, like, worse it can happen.

[539] I'm going to get hypothermia.

[540] I'm going to have to do some pushups, like, whatever.

[541] And so I just didn't really have a good attitude.

[542] and I wasn't too worried about, like, the other guys in the class, because I figured, you know, would lose most of it.

[543] I mean, started off with 239 guys, and we came through Hellweek with, like, 34.

[544] My first class, we started with 119, and we came through with 17.

[545] So you're, like, you're going to lose most of these guys.

[546] I don't really, I don't know.

[547] I mean, I wasn't much of a team player.

[548] I just want to graduate, you know, so.

[549] So, but how did they kick you back then?

[550] Well, so I got one safety violation.

[551] for the instructor gave the wrong order we're on the range and we're facing down range and he gave an about face and drop so half the class just did what we're supposed you know we did the about face we drop but now we're like pointing down range right so half the class got a safety violation for that and then the second one was we were doing iads like these live fire drills and half the class was behind the berm the other half was doing it and then we switched and I was behind the berm and I was behind the berm and and my office you know my oh it's a berm it's like a big mound of dirt okay and my uh the officer in charge of my class he didn't really like me so he had me on watch every single night and he put me on the middle watch so out on the island um you get six hours of sleep max if you like fall asleep when you get off and then you wake up the second and you don't clean any of your gear you get six hours so he put me on us on a watch in the middle so i got maybe like an hour in the beginning and then i just wake up for two hours with the watch and then maybe if i could go back to bed I'd get like an hour, maybe two hours of sleep.

[552] So I was running on real low sleep, and so I was behind the berm, and I just, you know, I fell asleep.

[553] It wasn't a big deal.

[554] Most guys did.

[555] But my boat crew leader didn't wake me up because he didn't like me. So now I'm technically sleeping during a live fire drill because they did a class muster, and I'm fucking sleeping.

[556] And so guns are going off and you're sleeping?

[557] Yeah.

[558] I mean, other guys did too.

[559] Yeah.

[560] I mean, we're just like, we're sitting there because it's like 40 minutes or something.

[561] They're doing their shit and we're just laying there.

[562] not doing it we're not supposed to be involved or you know we're just they could only have half the class in the range so half is just sitting there and then the other half is doing it and fuck man like i mean dude during how week i fell asleep standing up you know so it's like yeah you get tired enough you fall asleep like no matter what so so you came out of that so yeah so i got rolled all the way back so so basically they you know put me in front of the thing and and uh and they're like well you got two safety violations whatever and i was just like you know i was like well i didn't really even explain.

[563] I didn't even really like at the time you're like so brainwashed that these guys are like gods that you don't even really want to argue with them because they're your instructors.

[564] It's like you can't even like have a conversation with these guys.

[565] If they ask you a question like your answers are like who yeah.

[566] Like you don't even say yes or no. It's just like a so, you know, so you're so like conditioned to not like argue that I didn't really like defend what happened, you know, because if I would like walk in there and like defended like look like half the class, you know, just given the explanation.

[567] But I didn't really want to like argue with these instructors because you're just like so brainwashed anyways so i basically told them i said look i don't care i'll go do the whole fucking thing again and they're like oh yeah and i was like yeah i was like i'll do the whole fucking course again so they rolled me all the way back and did the whole fucking thing again and uh and this instructor that didn't like me he just he couldn't even find excuses the third time he just admin dropped me i didn't even know that was like a thing i didn't know you could get admin drop but yeah i just got so you made it all the way through and he admin dropped you?

[568] Do you think he stalks your Instagram page right now?

[569] I don't know, but...

[570] Do you think you remembers you?

[571] Probably, yeah.

[572] I mean, he's probably heard of me now.

[573] I mean, you know, the seal community is definitely, you know, it's love or hate with me. Like, you know, the guys that know me usually, you know, have good things to say and the guys that don't usually all talk shit, but...

[574] So you get out and then what happens?

[575] So get out, I did my four years, got out, and I went to college, went to UF and did four years there.

[576] That sounds like the military, too.

[577] It did four years.

[578] Yeah, I mean, no, it was fun.

[579] I had a great time in college.

[580] My brother taught me how to play poker like the first year because I was getting all this money from the VA and the GI Bill and I got grants.

[581] I was eligible for everything, right?

[582] And that's where you learned how to play poker?

[583] Yeah, my brother taught me. And then I was playing in college.

[584] I was playing like some online stuff.

[585] I had a couple fraternity brothers that were real into it.

[586] they taught me a little bit and there's some home games and yeah that's that's how i start i went broke um my sophomore year so i was just like it was a it was a wild ride i just sell some guns i went and um played on a gambling boat for like a week and turned like this i sold three guns for seven hundred fifty bucks played on this gambling boat for a week turned in 10 000 went to Vegas and then turn that into 187 ,000 at Belagio after playing for three weeks straight.

[587] Never forget it.

[588] Wow.

[589] So that was the launching point.

[590] 187 ,000 at the Bellagio.

[591] Three weeks, yeah.

[592] The Bellagio created Dan Bilzerian, essentially.

[593] Yeah.

[594] They started it.

[595] So there you go and you just become this crazy baller poker player character.

[596] Well, I mean, it was a slow rise, you know.

[597] I mean, it wasn't.

[598] How long did it take?

[599] oh i mean you know that was that was that was that was 2005 you know and i actually i mean i got really lucky i came into poker at a time when nobody really knew how to play this fucking guy chris moneymaker um you know he turned 25 dollars into like a two or three million dollar win and he wasn't even that great so it was like the new gold rush like everybody wanted to play poker rounders had just come out you know oh that's what it was yeah that fucking movie i remember that it was that you know celebrity started playing and it was just like It was one of those things were, and there wasn't really any, like, training tools, like, the game hadn't been solved.

[600] Like, even the pros weren't that good back then, so.

[601] Really?

[602] Yeah, I mean, there wasn't, it was just kind of like, I mean, back in the day, like, the old pros, the way they won, they just cheated, you know?

[603] Really?

[604] Yeah, I mean, there was this.

[605] How they cheat?

[606] Oh, fuck.

[607] I mean, there's mark cards.

[608] There's, you know, cold decks.

[609] There's a million ways to cheat.

[610] I've never played poker.

[611] I mean, I might have played once in high school or something like that.

[612] I've never played.

[613] My friend Ari, Ari Shafir, when he was struggling in Hollywood, when he's a stand -up comedian, and when he wasn't, when he was just starting out, he would make his money playing poker.

[614] He'd go to poker tournaments, and he made way more money playing poker than he ever did doing stand -up.

[615] Yeah, actually, I mean, I'll tell you the story of how I dropped out of college.

[616] Can I piss real quick?

[617] Yeah, yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

[618] No worries, man. Go ahead.

[619] We're right here.

[620] Sorry, drank a bunch of water.

[621] I just want to point out Dan Bolzerian and I wear the same pants, both wearing camel pants.

[622] I think he deserves them more than me, though.

[623] He went to Hell Week.

[624] I've just hidden from animals.

[625] Three times.

[626] Yeah.

[627] But my pants are, they're fake.

[628] I mean, I just bought them on Amazon.

[629] They're not like real camo either.

[630] It's not like Kuyu or First Light or anything.

[631] What a fucking character, though, huh?

[632] That's crazy shit, right?

[633] Like, a lot of people hate on that dude.

[634] I've met him a couple of times.

[635] And it's one of the reasons why I wanted to do this one.

[636] He seems like a super nice guy.

[637] But every time I've talked to people about him, there's a fuck that guy, fuck that guy, fuck that guy.

[638] Easy to hate, there's a lot of disease and be - Of course!

[639] Of course!

[640] I mean, he's like all, I mean, the fact that he's not paying those girls, I find that suspicious.

[641] Do you find that suspicious?

[642] You don't?

[643] Not really?

[644] I mean...

[645] Why are they there then?

[646] Because they can get...

[647] They don't have shit to do?

[648] Don't they have jobs?

[649] Nah, they're hot checks.

[650] Probably, he loans them money.

[651] Maybe let's leave some cash around It could be the manager They're getting good gigs out of it I'm sure they're getting good gigs out of it I mean look what the fuck's that guy's name Cory Feldman He's got Feldman's angels or whatever the fuck that is Right Hugh Heffner had those The Hefts chicks They had a show for a while Well he had to pay those girls We're talking about Hefner Yeah they're all play maybe See but that was sad to me that was more sad to me what's that the Hefner thing like I could see chicks want to bang you handsome guy thick beard built you know military man got a lot of guns that makes sense the Hefner thing was always like oh those poor girls I have daughters and I would think about some poor girl banging Hugh Hefner and just going Yeah but it's not just him it's kind of like all these fashion guys Fashion guys yeah like I mean Paul Marciano I mean he bangs every chick this thing guess you know i don't oh okay yeah so i mean it's kind of they set it up right like right i mean my whole thing is kind of like life set up right so you like set up your life to where you don't really have to work for what you want you know right so um you know pussy for instance like if you set it up correctly like i mean if you buy a big brand or a modeling agency or whatever it is and you're providing these girls with a career like for instance let's let's use hughner so if you become a playmate you're guaranteed $25 ,000 you now you're i mean this is back in the day right right there's like you know 10 years ago and playboy was you know hot or whatever or you know 20 whatever so so now they're getting a thousand dollars for appearance before they were getting you know whatever but now they won't you know you can't even show up for less than a grand so you're guaranteed more money there now you have a title um as far as modeling like you're just going to book higher -end jobs there's you know there's the the playboy events so it's kind of like you know it's like you know it's like you know it's like you you fuck this guy, you become a playmate, and now you, like, have a career.

[652] Oh, I get it.

[653] It makes sense.

[654] I mean, it makes sense.

[655] But the factor that's missing is the fact that you were talking about before.

[656] Like, you're not really into fucking girls that aren't into you.

[657] You know?

[658] That's completely out of the question.

[659] Yeah.

[660] When you're a skeleton.

[661] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[662] When you're a skeleton, like, what are you going to do?

[663] You're balling.

[664] You just take Molly and fucking throw down those Viagoras and get their party started.

[665] Who gives a shit?

[666] Throw that money.

[667] out you can't spend it when you're dead yeah what up 70 I'm probably going to be less picky you know so oh yeah for sure but I mean like I said it's yeah I mean it's you go for a hot 50 year old but you know who knows some of those girls might be into it because he's you know he's iconic and you know it's like a celebrity thing yeah celebrity is another crazy thing I mean I've said it to my buddy I'm like money maybe brings 5 or 10x girls like you know if you use it and I'm going to talk about using it in the sense They're just paying them, saying, like, set up your life to where, like, give a nice life, and there's cool shit going on, parties, whatever.

[668] And then the fame, I think, I think it's like 100 X. I think it's, like, a hundred times.

[669] Well, for you, it's very interesting because you're a guy that just come into this just a few years ago, four years ago.

[670] You know, so you were already a man in his 30s and all this happened, and then, boom, you've become famous.

[671] So you've got a good perspective on it.

[672] You know, I think for people looking at it on the outside, like, I don't think any of us could understand what it would be like to be Drake.

[673] You know, I've heard that Drake has, it has parties at his house.

[674] I know a dude who lives near Drake and he complains about the fucking parties.

[675] And I guess parties are so crazy that the neighbor complains that Drake bought his house.

[676] Drake's like, fuck it, I'll just buy your house, man. Yeah.

[677] He has girls, they meet at one place, then they get in a bus.

[678] And then the bus comes to Drake's house.

[679] Yeah.

[680] No, I mean, he's got it.

[681] Yeah, he definitely has it on the level.

[682] He's super balling.

[683] For sure.

[684] You know?

[685] You know, me, I'm fucking saddled down.

[686] I'm married.

[687] I got kids.

[688] I got daughters, too, dude.

[689] I see all this stuff.

[690] I have to watch from afar and go, wow.

[691] Look at this action.

[692] Look at all this craziness happening.

[693] Look at this wild life.

[694] Just a completely different kind of life.

[695] But to be a guy like you, it's very interesting because not only are you famous, your famous, in a really confusing way.

[696] You're famous just for being a baller.

[697] Like 100%.

[698] That's kind of crazy, right?

[699] You didn't write a book.

[700] You're not in any movies.

[701] You don't sing any songs.

[702] You're not telling jokes.

[703] You're just bawling out of control.

[704] You're bawling so hard that you've become famous.

[705] You're way more famous than me. I mean, what did you say you have?

[706] How many Instagram followers you got?

[707] What is it?

[708] 19.

[709] 19?

[710] I think the total is like 30 something.

[711] I have one.

[712] I have 1 .5 on Instagram.

[713] I have 2 on Twitter.

[714] I've been on TV for 20 fucking years.

[715] yeah it's funny man it's an interesting kind of fame it's a very different kind of fame yeah i mean i just remember i remember when it kind of hit me because i was in can and i was over there and this you know this is this is france i mean they don't even speak english a lot of these places and i mean i think what was it i fucked 16 girls in 12 days and i remember because i fucked a girl without talking to her and that was when I knew I made it yeah because she didn't speak english and they're and I also like I just kind of like wanted to like just see if I could do it you know I just like wanted to see if I could actually have sex with the girl without speaking to her at all it was kind of awkward because like there's times that I wanted to say something or like there was a question asked or whatever like you know or it was like in the middle of sex like normally like I'll say you know talk dirty or what something but like I made a point to be a fucking mute right and I actually like pull it off and I was like like wow like this shit is real you know and and and and the time that i really saw it was sorry let me it was it was i mean i was in cannabis before the the the no talking thing i was at some restaurant and ron proman's manager came over to me and ron perlman the actor yeah what's he in sons of anarchy yeah that yeah hell boy yeah he's done a real shit you know he's like a real dude yeah so he come over and he's telling me about this new movie that he wants to do and there's like a um there's a dad and there's a son or grandfather's son and dad and they're all you know they're all in the military in different wars and he was you know talking to me about maybe playing the son and uh and we're having you know and i was interested in it because i'd done a little bit of acting up until then and so i was like you know kind of you know check it out and so i remember it was like every 30 seconds or minutes somebody would come up and ask me for a picture and after like the 20th person somebody came up and was like, oh, Ron, like, you know, I love a picture with you.

[716] And I'll never forget it.

[717] I'll never forget it for the rest of my life.

[718] He stood up and he goes, oh, you want a picture with me?

[719] Like, who the fuck am I?

[720] You sure you don't want a picture with this guy?

[721] And he was kidding.

[722] But I was just like, I was like, wow, like this is so fucking crazy.

[723] Now here's a guy that's like, you know, a super successful actor who's been like, you know, big like TV series.

[724] And like all these people are asking to take a picture with me. And I was just like, wow, like this is so fucked.

[725] Like, but it was real.

[726] I was just like, wow, this is like a real thing.

[727] This isn't just like, you know, numbers on the internet.

[728] This is like, I'm in a foreign country and I got all these fucking people coming up, you know, like I was just, I was kind of like, I was dumbfounded.

[729] Have you ever read that Thoreau quote, most men live lives of quiet desperation?

[730] Yeah, I actually quoted that on one of my pictures.

[731] Oh, it's a great quote.

[732] The mass of men or something along the lines of them, the mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation.

[733] Yeah, something along those lines.

[734] That quote fucking died.

[735] that quote.

[736] He's got a lot of great ones.

[737] He's a brilliant, brilliant guy.

[738] But that quote is one of the reasons why I think your Instagram and everything is so popular is because there's a lot of people out there that are stuck in cubicles or they're stuck in jobs that they don't want to be there.

[739] They don't want to be doing what they're doing.

[740] They're looking at their resources.

[741] It's so small.

[742] They're tired all the time.

[743] They get done from work.

[744] They don't have any energy to do anything else.

[745] They're saddled down with some relationship.

[746] It's probably not optimal.

[747] They're getting yelled at.

[748] They're fucking, it's not going well.

[749] It's not going well.

[750] It's not a lot of joy.

[751] And then they go on your Instagram and your fucking jet skiing and late meat and it's all the, you know, shooting guns and your underwear.

[752] And it's like, it's so, it looks so fun, you know.

[753] And yeah, I mean, and I try and be authentic, you know, another one of his quotes, you know, rather than love, rather than fame, rather than money, give me truth.

[754] And I like that one.

[755] You can have all those, though.

[756] Look, you got it all.

[757] You got truth, you got fame, you got love, you got money.

[758] You know, that's a rare one in L .A. Well, it is rare because it's difficult to pull off because most people are not really comfortable with who they are So instead of, you know, instead of fixing that, they just kind of pretend, you know, and like look, that's what politics is.

[759] That's what a business is when you put that fucking stupid tie on and you got those slippery shoes with the tassels on them And, you know, pretending that you really talk like that.

[760] You know, and you're talking about dividends and making it and well, we can make this work and let's touch base on Monday and hey, great to talk to you.

[761] And like, shut the fuck up.

[762] It's all...

[763] The political correctness, the fucking, you know, pleasantries.

[764] Just the bullshit.

[765] You know, that's what I wanted to just kind of get rid of.

[766] Well, I had a conversation with someone about, you know, people that have a lot of money and ballers.

[767] And someone goes, oh, that seems like such an empty life.

[768] And I don't know if we were talking about you specifically, but you're like a perfect example of it.

[769] I'm like, what's...

[770] But here's my point.

[771] I'm defending you.

[772] I'm like, what's empty about it?

[773] Looks like he's having fun.

[774] Like, what's so great about showing up to...

[775] an insurance company every day and putting in your work like yeah look it's very admirable to provide for your family it's very admirable to put in hard work when you don't want to and get it done but there's nothing wrong with figuring out a way to not do that either you know just because you got stuck in some sort of a weird situation where you have to fucking grind it out at some lumber yard every day doesn't mean that a guy like you who's just got some crazy life that he's living where he figured out a way to make a bunch of money gambling poker playing card games like that's not it's not necessarily a bad thing like i look at all your shit i don't see any victims i don't see anything wrong i see you having a bunch of fun and i see a bunch of girls that are laughing they seem to be having a bunch of fun you're flying in italy you're doing all this crazy shit i don't see anything wrong but yet people get mad and people hate and when i have conversations with people i'm like what is shallow about all the these experiences like what is what is so awful yeah i mean and a lot of girls have really benefited you know i've like built some careers like you know lindsay pellis when i started dating her she had a hundred thousand followers she bumped up to 1 .6 million in three weeks and now this chick's making four or five hundred thousand dollars a year posting pictures on instagram and snapchat i mean just for her just think about that for a second like she's making four times as much as a doctor or a lawyer when they get out of college and and forget about all their debt that they have you know Let's just say they come out of college with no debt.

[776] She's still making five times more money than them at four years younger.

[777] Well, also the amount of fucking time they have to spend.

[778] If you're a doctor or a lawyer, not just going through medical school, not just going through your residency, but working, constantly working.

[779] And she's got to post a couple of pictures.

[780] Yeah, sit on her couch, post a few pictures.

[781] Sucker fingers.

[782] Here's my tea.

[783] Their ass up in the air, high heels.

[784] Woo!

[785] It's a beautiful world.

[786] The world of social media is a fascinating world.

[787] man because like speaking for me personally as a as a comedian before social media i used to have to do so much work i used to have to get up early in the morning and do radio shows before gigs i used to have to do morning tv you'd have to do interviews with you know i'd do an interview with some newspaper reporter that guy did not want to fucking talk to me and give a shit about me and i try to have fun with it and maybe he would try to have fun with it but for the most part it was nonsense you don't have to do anything anymore it's access it's it's just pure access and it's it's actually fucked it up honestly for a lot of these girls now because they don't want to go to the clubs like they don't need to go to parties to meet celebrities anymore they can just DM them like and then you have all these you know rich guys that are just having their you know their pussy coordinator you know message all these girls they have a coordinator who has a who has a pussy coordinator so crazy bro you have no idea like now these girls are getting booked out they're getting paid you know $5 ,000 10 ,000 to just go on a vacation vacation some of them don't even have to sleep with any of the guys i mean it's just like that seems like you would never get anything done yeah and and from these girls point of you can't really blame me and it's like fuck if i was one of these girls and i could travel the world on a private jet and do all this other you know crazy shit for free and it's just i mean oh i wouldn't blame him at all i don't blame them at all as long as you know as nothing awful's happening yeah i used to know this guy we used to call him wild man uh buddy mine used to work at a strip club.

[788] He was a DJed a strip club.

[789] And there was a guy there that apparently invented bell bottoms.

[790] This is a crazy story.

[791] And he had lung cancer.

[792] He smoked cigarettes like packs and packs a day.

[793] And no, emphysema.

[794] And his doctor was telling him, listen, man, you are going to fucking die.

[795] If you don't stop smoking cigarettes, you're going to fucking die.

[796] And he's like, I'm just addicted to smoking.

[797] He was like, smoke joints.

[798] He's like, they've shown studies that smoking marijuana is not nearly as bad for you.

[799] And actually, it might act as an expector.

[800] And might help clean your lungs out, even though it sounds contrary to logical thinking.

[801] Just give it a try.

[802] So this guy starts smoking weed like he would smoke cigarettes.

[803] Just rolling joints, smoking.

[804] He would smoke like 15, 20 joints a day.

[805] And when he pull up to the strip club, he would give these guys like his roaches, because his roaches were like half done, because he would smoke them like he would smoke cigarettes.

[806] The guy changes his entire.

[807] He gets so high and he's so high all the time that he's like, I don't want to do any of these things that I'm doing anymore.

[808] He goes, this is what I'm going to do.

[809] I want to play guitar and I want to bang chicks and that's all that's what he decides to do he realizes he's like 60 years old and he's worth some shit ton of money and this was like right around when Viagra was invented so this guy goes on a rampage and he's but he's mean he's like really nasty and he did what he would call mad dog in these chicks so he'd bring them back to his house and he would say nasty shit to him and hit him and piss on him and all kinds of crazy shit apparently I don't know the full details of it but his house was for sale and he had this ball baller house in the hollywood hills and for a while i was thinking because i go to the comedy store all the time i'm like man maybe i should buy this fucking house it's like it's close to the comedy store but i'm like god it's like this five million dollar house it's right on the street it's right there like you could you like the sidewalk and then here's his door like you just touch his door and like someone's gonna fucking break into this guy's house and so the realtor is like no listen there's a state -of -the -art security system in this place it's got all these cameras i go yeah you know what that camera's gonna get it's going to get a picture of a dude with a ski mask robbing your fucking house.

[810] Like, do you understand that?

[811] Like, what is a camera going to do?

[812] Like, how's it got...

[813] Two weeks after I said that, the dude got shot in the neck in the fucking house.

[814] Wow.

[815] He used to bring the hookers to his house.

[816] He used to bring him to his house, and he brought one to his house, and she brought her boyfriend, and they shot him in the neck.

[817] Wow.

[818] Yeah, there's a lot of setup stuff like that.

[819] Yeah.

[820] Yeah.

[821] But so, you see, that's a bad guy.

[822] That was a guy doing bad shit.

[823] I don't see anything wrong with anything you're doing I see I see happiness I look at your Instagram I see a bunch of people laughing I like the music you're playing you're playing good songs that I would listen to it looks like a fucking party nothing wrong here people yeah I need to relax yeah I mean I'm just uh you know doing some wish fulfillment now do you have like do you have a like a plan charted out for this existence are you just winging it?

[824] Well, I got this app coming out where it's going to be kind of similar to what World Star does where users can upload their badass videos, right?

[825] So anything kind of like, you know, similar to the stuff that I post or, you know, fights or whatever crazy, cool videos that they want, they can post on there.

[826] And, you know, I'll just share the best ones on my, you know, Facebook or Instagram or whatever.

[827] So they're, you know, if they post cool shit on there, they're guaranteed to get, you know, a kind of shine.

[828] Yeah, and that's why they post on World Star, you know, it's because they want, you know, people to see it.

[829] So, you know, I'm going to do that.

[830] I got this fantasy betting app that I got.

[831] It's, you know, it's like similar to the draft kings of the fantasy sports stuff.

[832] I don't know, just, you know, I've been focusing more on, you know, doing some stuff like that.

[833] I've kind of just done everything I wanted to do, you know, as far as like the party in and buying shit, you know.

[834] Yeah.

[835] Well, that's why I was asking.

[836] I'm like, well, how much more can you do?

[837] You know?

[838] Yeah, I mean, I've checked most of the boxes, man. So now I kind of just want to, you know, get people a platform.

[839] How much money have you made playing poker?

[840] I don't know.

[841] I mean.

[842] If you had a guess in the neighborhood.

[843] I mean, I know.

[844] I mean, you know, I just know the big figures.

[845] I mean, I beat one guy for $54 million.

[846] I mean, I won 10 and a half And another night I beat another guy for 10 And then, you know, I don't know What the total is on the, you know, other cash games But, I mean, I've, I don't know I mean, I've made a lot But do you have enough stashed away where did you That was just in, you know Six month or a year period, you know So it's like, you know, I don't know Did you take a chunk and put it away And say, okay, this is my break glass In case of Apocalypse Fund I mean, I've bought some gold And, you know, and I got a, I mean, I own my stuff I own my plane in my house and my cars and I mean I cash in the bank I'm doing all right yeah but I mean this like first of all that's crazy right it's crazy that you went from being a Navy SEAL to being a college student who's learned how to play cards well well you know preparing or trying to attempt to be a Navy SEAL going to college and learn how to play cards to a guy who's got his own fucking jet a guy I mean and all from gambling I mean, that's bizarre in and of itself.

[847] But do you ever think, like, there's a time where I'm not going to want to do this anymore?

[848] Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of at the point, like I said, where I've done most of the stuff that I wanted to do.

[849] So now I'm just, I'm kind of winging it.

[850] I've been doing more active stuff.

[851] I've been doing like some wake surfing and we just went out to Lake Powell and, you know, winter's coming up, doing some snowboarding trips, snowmobiling and shit like that.

[852] So it's still just more fun?

[853] Yeah, just having fun, but doing like more active stuff, less party and, um, I mean, still have the girls around, but, um, yeah, I mean, I got the, I did a cartoon.

[854] It's, uh, I'm about to release that.

[855] Wait, wait, didn't you have two heart attacks in like one night or something?

[856] That's actually one of the cartoon episodes.

[857] What the fuck happened?

[858] How did you have two hard attacks?

[859] You don't watch the cartoon?

[860] Can we watch it?

[861] Yeah, throw the cartoon up.

[862] How do we, how do we get to it?

[863] Tell Jamie, give Jamie the address.

[864] Uh, yeah, I'm sure.

[865] You could drop a date Jamie or do you have it on your phone is that what it is it's not online anywhere i got it on my phone oh can you can you can't air drop it to you jamie does that work uh i can't air drop it but i could air play it if you got an apple tv yeah we have an apple tv but we can't play it online it's be us watching it in here we couldn't we couldn't hear it or anything i can't i can't put it on that you can but i don't have that that's not in this current system here it's not built into this display um let me see can we fix that can we make that happen or is that we can in the future yeah okay but we need to do it different setup or something?

[866] I need some extra inputs, yeah.

[867] Yeah, I'll do that another time.

[868] Okay, we'll do it another time.

[869] You're going to call my guy and see if I can get you a link.

[870] Give me one.

[871] Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead.

[872] Call your guy.

[873] Dan Belserian, but we'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.

[874] He's going to call his guy, not to be confused with his pussy coordinator.

[875] He doesn't have one of those.

[876] I'm looking.

[877] You're looking for a pussy coordinator?

[878] I know some dudes.

[879] What a crazy life.

[880] It's bizarre, right?

[881] I just You know People will tell you That's going to get tired But guess what So is being married To a lot of people Not to me Jamie So is working in a regular job That's got to be tired too I love the fact That this is a real thing That all the sudden because of social media Some guy can gather up 50 fucking million followers I don't know how to word this right but, like, you know how people start calling the Michael Jordan.

[882] You'd be the Michael Jordan of this because you're the greatest of whatever.

[883] He's starting to become, people are calling so -and -so, the Dan Balsarian of X. Oh, yeah, well, that, there's that Italian guy.

[884] Yeah, yeah, that old guy, Vachie, the old, that old guy is my age.

[885] Isn't that sad?

[886] God damn, I'm old, bro.

[887] Sad.

[888] Every now and then I wake up and I got some new pain, and I just think, is this pain like forever?

[889] Is this going to heal?

[890] I got this hip thing that's going on lately.

[891] And it's not bad.

[892] Like I did kickboxing today and no problem and no pain while I'm working out.

[893] But every now and then it like irritates me. And instead of it like when I was young, if I had something that irritated me, I would say, eh, some fucking nothing.

[894] I'll get over that.

[895] But that's also why I developed a bunch of chronic injuries from Jiu -Jitsu because I would go and train even though I had something fucked up.

[896] It's also because Jiu -Jitsu is really fun.

[897] But I don't think like that anymore, man. Now I think, is this like broken?

[898] Like, is this, am I going to need a hip replacement?

[899] Like, I know guys that are my age that have fucking, I know guys younger than me that have had hip replacements.

[900] I started thinking, like, is this shit broken forever?

[901] You got your guy?

[902] I talked to him.

[903] He's telling me I can't, I can't show it.

[904] He can't show it.

[905] Who the fuck is that guy?

[906] You got a guy that tells you what to do?

[907] No, I'm telling you, fire your team, dude.

[908] I'm available.

[909] I work for free.

[910] I pretty much fire them all.

[911] Fire them all, dude.

[912] Fire them all.

[913] I have a team, too.

[914] I don't listen to them either.

[915] Nobody should listen to teams.

[916] Yeah, I agree.

[917] I mean, I obviously don't know shit about poker.

[918] I don't know nothing about your business.

[919] I'm not a gambler, but I can advise you.

[920] Fire the whole thing.

[921] Fire everybody.

[922] Keep doing exactly what you're doing.

[923] Listen to me, dude.

[924] I'm telling you, I'm right.

[925] I have no experience in your business.

[926] I'm totally unqualified, but I will give you some sound advice.

[927] Yeah.

[928] Yeah, you know that Italian guy that people keep comparing to you, the guy who dances around a lot?

[929] Oh, I've seen him, yeah.

[930] Didn't he have some health issue?

[931] What's going on with him?

[932] Really?

[933] Did he?

[934] No, I thought so, but I don't know.

[935] That was the last I'd heard.

[936] Oh, I didn't hear that.

[937] Yeah.

[938] What's his name, Giovanni, or something like that?

[939] Well, I became aware of him because there's a hilarious video of him and his girlfriend dancing.

[940] Oh, yeah, it's really good dancer, right?

[941] He was a fucking great dance.

[942] Fuck, yeah.

[943] But this thing, here's the thing, man. Everybody's like, I saw this thing, like, something about Sugar Daddy and, like, a She's young and hot, he's got gray hair.

[944] That motherfucker's my age.

[945] Like, that's how old I am, dude.

[946] 49.

[947] The end is near.

[948] The end is near, Jamie.

[949] There he is.

[950] Yeah, no, he looks.

[951] Dude is in great shape.

[952] Yeah, well, it's just the hair.

[953] I mean, if he had black hair, he would look...

[954] It'd look younger, right?

[955] Oh, for sure.

[956] I mean, he just has...

[957] My, I have a buddy, mine, his 30s.

[958] His hair's almost all white.

[959] I mean, it's just some dudes have premature hair, and he's got a banging girlfriend.

[960] But he's got one.

[961] See?

[962] You can't call him.

[963] on the Dan Bolzerian of Italy.

[964] I mean, he's obviously a baller.

[965] He's living good, you know.

[966] He's bawling.

[967] He's got one girl.

[968] Yeah.

[969] I mean, I'm sure he's happy.

[970] He looks very happy.

[971] She looks very happy.

[972] Everybody looks happy.

[973] I feel like he's doing a lot of stuff for Instagram.

[974] He's posted a lot.

[975] He's trying to get on that Dan Bolzarian level.

[976] I think he's at.

[977] What levels he at?

[978] Five million?

[979] How many?

[980] Okay, that's a giant jump.

[981] He's done twice as many posts as I've done in the last five years and he's done it in I think like six months.

[982] Yeah, very quickly.

[983] So he's posting a lot.

[984] Well, not only that, his shit became really popular, like, really recently.

[985] Yeah.

[986] Like, I want to say when I became aware of him, we only had 2 million followers.

[987] But, like, if you look at his stuff, though, it kind of looks like, you know, it's like a lot of photo shoots, right?

[988] Exactly.

[989] Kind of looks like a lot of stage.

[990] Yeah.

[991] Oh, look, I found a goat.

[992] Yeah.

[993] Look at me with the goat.

[994] Yeah.

[995] Yeah, he's got a lot of money.

[996] Look at that.

[997] Come on, son.

[998] Like, that doesn't just accidentally happen, right?

[999] Yeah, you don't just accidentally get photographed on a horse with no shirt on.

[1000] With white pants.

[1001] And with prison tattoos.

[1002] What's all the prison tattoos?

[1003] He's got like a bunch of writing on his chest.

[1004] Yeah.

[1005] What does that all say?

[1006] Do we know what his tattoos say?

[1007] There must be like a website dedicated to his chest tattoos.

[1008] Look, he's there with Pitbull.

[1009] Look, there he is.

[1010] Come on.

[1011] He's so happy.

[1012] No, I mean, it looks like a cool cat.

[1013] He does.

[1014] I don't like what he's doing his beard, though.

[1015] He's got that little thing that he puts at the bottom of his beard.

[1016] He twists it up and puts like a little rubber.

[1017] band around it get the fuck out of here i don't know what the fuck that is i will pull that thing off i see you sir i'm gonna grab that thing that's a goddamn handle i don't understand that yeah he's a he's a fun cat though his videos are really fun no he can the fucking guy can dance our hats off to him oh man did see if you can find that one video of him with the girl the first one they did on the boat that got him really famous i want to say that was only four or five months ago and i've really i don't know how many hands i don't know how many In the last, like, five months, he's really, like, he's gone hard.

[1018] Like, but there's some stuff.

[1019] I mean, it's like he set up a dinner table.

[1020] I saw a picture.

[1021] He set up a dinner table underwater where he could, like, pretend like he was eating underwater.

[1022] And then he did, like, a whole, like, a whole skit where he was, like, underwater doing all this stuff.

[1023] I'm like, fuck, man, that must have taken you, like, a fucking full day.

[1024] Yeah.

[1025] And he's wearing a suit.

[1026] And I'm just like, fuck, man. Well, he's going a different approach.

[1027] Yeah.

[1028] Instead of the baller approach, like, shooting guns in his arms.

[1029] underwear.

[1030] What he's doing is he's got like this one beautiful girlfriend.

[1031] They just have a good time all over the world.

[1032] It seems, I mean, it's a different approach, but here's the no, but I like that.

[1033] I dig that.

[1034] I'm just saying like that.

[1035] There he is.

[1036] That's it.

[1037] No, that's awesome.

[1038] I mean, this motherfucker can dance.

[1039] No, he can.

[1040] He can fucking cut some work.

[1041] And he looks like he's having a good time.

[1042] No, 100%.

[1043] That, but see, that, that, that, that, that's cool to me. Yeah.

[1044] Like the other stuff that's like, it seems like a lot of efforts put into it is not, not quite, But that's dope.

[1045] I mean, his chick seems cool, bump -working dance, looks like they haven't bought.

[1046] I mean, like...

[1047] Listen, if you got that kind of money, why wouldn't you be dancing?

[1048] Yeah.

[1049] Should be dancing.

[1050] That's awesome.

[1051] Should be partying your fucking...

[1052] And he is.

[1053] Just, I don't understand his tattoos.

[1054] I'm confused about the ankle one.

[1055] What's going on down there?

[1056] Maybe he's like his ex -wife's name.

[1057] Like, fuck you bitch.

[1058] I don't know.

[1059] He's in good shape, though.

[1060] Yeah, he is.

[1061] Fuck, you know.

[1062] Yeah, he's in very good shape for a 49 -year -old.

[1063] That's my age, God damn it.

[1064] I'm fucking 49, man. It's just the end.

[1065] end is near Dan.

[1066] I don't know.

[1067] You're in the right time frame.

[1068] I'll tell you what.

[1069] It is.

[1070] They got the stem I've already had a gang of it.

[1071] All the all the above.

[1072] Oh, have you done the stem cells?

[1073] Oh, yeah, man. Stem cells fix my fucking shoulder.

[1074] Well, people are tired of hearing about it on this podcast.

[1075] Was that regenerine or was that stem cells?

[1076] I had regentine done on my shoulder, too.

[1077] It didn't help as much.

[1078] I had some pretty significant tearing.

[1079] Um, uh, slap tear.

[1080] I had a tear of the, um, the labrum, a tear of the biceps tendon and a tear of the rotator cuff.

[1081] Oh, wow.

[1082] I did the rotator cuff.

[1083] I did the rotator cuff.

[1084] Basically, I couldn't even lift my arm, like, three inches.

[1085] I did the regeneratine, and then three weeks later, I was boxing.

[1086] Well, the regenticine did wonders for my back.

[1087] It just wasn't enough for my shoulder.

[1088] But, again, I'm an idiot.

[1089] I don't give it enough time off.

[1090] But, I was, I mean, I literally, from like this, three weeks later, I was boxing.

[1091] Yeah, that is crazy.

[1092] That is crazy.

[1093] And, by the way, all the doctors told me I needed surgery.

[1094] The same thing to me. Now, I've had that said to me twice.

[1095] I need surgery on my neck, and I've heard I need surgery on my shoulder.

[1096] I avoided both of them, and I do everything now.

[1097] But one of things about shoulder injuries that I found from Steve Maxwell, he's a pretty famous Strength and Conditioning Coach, has been on this podcast a bunch of times, is hanging.

[1098] Hanging from chin up bars, it's so important to do.

[1099] It's so good for your shoulders to straighten out your shoulders.

[1100] I thought you're going to say bad.

[1101] I was like, fuck, because I've done a lot of that.

[1102] No, no, no, it's really good for you.

[1103] There's a whole video about it with this doctor who was a shot.

[1104] shoulder surgery doctor stopped doing shoulder surgery on most of his patients and started them on this hanging therapy because when you see most human beings essentially were primates and most primates swing from trees I mean that is what they do they grab a hold of things they swing and it stretches out your arm and you develop impingements from gravity from a lack of use or from too much use or overuse and this guy has you Hang from a chin up bar, just holding on and hanging, and it stretches out your shoulder, and it alleviates pain in a giant percentage of people that have shoulder injuries.

[1105] And I urge anybody who's listening to this that has any sort of shoulder weirdness or some shit that fucks with them to just try this.

[1106] I know it sounds crazy.

[1107] Like, how the fuck is hanging by your shoulder is going to help you?

[1108] And this is one doctor.

[1109] This is not the doctor that invented the procedure, but he basically explains it really well.

[1110] There's a bunch of them.

[1111] What did you Google so people can...

[1112] Shoulder pain hanging from bar and there's a lot of things that start popping up as you do that.

[1113] There's a gang of it, but it's super effective.

[1114] It's super effective for a lot of people.

[1115] I mean, if you have like significant tearing where you're going to need surgery, you have a failure of your joint or something like that, you know, that's one thing.

[1116] But for a lot of people, this offers them a great deal of relief and it really helps me. I do it every day.

[1117] It's one of the first things I do in the morning.

[1118] I hang and then I do scapular raises for archery.

[1119] You know, so I hang, I'll do like two minutes of hanging, and then once I've done two minutes, then I just, I contract my scapula, and I hold that in place for as long as I can.

[1120] So it's like my hands are given out, my forearms are given out, and then I force my scapula to carry all the weight.

[1121] Interesting.

[1122] And you make it a daily routine, just make it, this is what I do.

[1123] I brush my teeth, I do that.

[1124] I just have to do it.

[1125] So I'm forced myself.

[1126] I have zero pain, zero pain in my shoulders, but the stem cells was a big factor.

[1127] So now, are you getting the infusion or are you getting the, like, how are you getting it?

[1128] Like, IV?

[1129] Yeah.

[1130] Well, they, what they do is they take it from a woman, a young woman who's had a cesarean section.

[1131] When they give birth through cesarean section, they take the placenta, and then they use that for stem cells.

[1132] Okay.

[1133] And that apparently is the most powerful version of stem cell therapy.

[1134] There's a bunch of different kind of they use in this country that a lot of people like.

[1135] A lot of people like it.

[1136] When they take your fat out, they take your fat out and they convert stem cells.

[1137] Nobody did that.

[1138] But Daniel Cormier, they went into his hip.

[1139] They got his marrow out of his hip.

[1140] That's what I did.

[1141] I got the 19 -year -old bone marrow.

[1142] From someone else?

[1143] Yeah.

[1144] Oh, okay.

[1145] Daniel Cormier, they went into his own hip and pulled it out.

[1146] But I've heard great results from a lot of different versions of stem cells.

[1147] But I know for me personally, when they shot the stuff from placenta into my shoulder, it was like within a couple of weeks, it was better than it had been in a year.

[1148] Wow.

[1149] And then a few months after that, I was like.

[1150] like no pain.

[1151] It's amazing how quick it's healed.

[1152] And it also did a lot of shoulder exercises with rubber bands and stuff, a lot of different things that I concentrate on.

[1153] I do all the time now to strengthen up the area and keep it tight.

[1154] But you haven't done the IV stuff?

[1155] No, you did that, huh?

[1156] Yeah, I've done that twice now.

[1157] Boss Rutin did that.

[1158] He told me that it was like, he goes, it was like the power was coming out of my hands.

[1159] Ah!

[1160] Bro, it's pretty crazy.

[1161] I mean, I basically, it was weird though.

[1162] The first time I did it, it seemed.

[1163] like I had a lot more profound effect than the second.

[1164] But the first time, so I went down to Mexico because you can't do it in the U .S. So I went down there, I got like 90 million of the 19 -year -old bone marrow that had been oxygen -deprived, whatever, and they injected in you.

[1165] The next day, I went to get some dental work done.

[1166] I think I had a root canal, whatever it was, but they injected 25 vials of, like, lidocaine, or novocaine, whatever it is.

[1167] And they said that my body was just cycling it through like instantaneously right so I had all this dental work done the next day I was completely healed from all the dental work which is pretty crazy what yeah and they said they've never given anybody that much lydicane ever um even you know and and they're like you know the guy asked me if I do coke and I'm like no like I haven't done that since I was 25 he's like yeah he's like normally like nobody can you know needs this much unless they have some kind of a thing and I'm like actually normally really drug sensitive I also found that um because I do uh HRT and I found that when I did the shots, like I, it was like a lot.

[1168] So people listen, it's hormone replacement therapy.

[1169] Yeah.

[1170] And so basically I found that it just cycled all these drugs faster through my system.

[1171] So I'd get a stronger effect, but then it would be out.

[1172] And then I went to the gym.

[1173] They said, you're not supposed to work out for three days or whatever.

[1174] I went to the gym.

[1175] I think it was like four or five days later.

[1176] And I was like 20, I think 20 percent stronger.

[1177] And I mean, I've been training for 20 -something years.

[1178] years, I've done everything.

[1179] So to get like 20 % strength increase is just fucking crazy.

[1180] Dude, I'm going to Mexico.

[1181] It was so nuts.

[1182] What part of Mexico?

[1183] Where do you go?

[1184] I have an address?

[1185] Tijuana.

[1186] Tijuana.

[1187] Oh, man. Tijuana.

[1188] It's so dangerous.

[1189] No, it was like, it was like Sicario.

[1190] I had like the armored cars.

[1191] I like made them give me a machine gun.

[1192] I was like, yeah.

[1193] Really?

[1194] Yeah, I had like a machine gun.

[1195] You wanted your own machine gun while you're down there?

[1196] Just in case shit goes down.

[1197] You don't want these guys to get shot?

[1198] That place like the fucking wild west, man. You know, at least if I'm going out, I want to.

[1199] have a gun you know.

[1200] Tijuana seems to me like, yeah, it's the Wild West, but they don't want to fuck it up because there's, the money's made all through tourism.

[1201] Like if somebody gets gunned down or kidnapped, nobody wants to go to Tijuana.

[1202] So you rarely hear about anything going down in Tijuana except those drug murders.

[1203] Yeah.

[1204] But that was just, the last ones with those beheadings, which were, that was like a decade ago.

[1205] Pretty gnarly shit.

[1206] I mean, I just know that they didn't want me to fly my plane down there.

[1207] I did anyways, but they're like, yeah, you should probably charter and, you know.

[1208] You should probably drive.

[1209] Why don't you drive?

[1210] It's not that long.

[1211] I don't know.

[1212] Last time I would, I mean, I hadn't been down there since the military, but it seemed like the border crossing going back just took forever.

[1213] It's a nightmare.

[1214] And now they want you to have a pass.

[1215] I mean, I don't know.

[1216] Back in the day, it was easy.

[1217] We used to walk across.

[1218] Driver's license.

[1219] When did they make it a passport thing?

[1220] It was Canada, too, right?

[1221] Yeah.

[1222] Yeah.

[1223] Well, Canada's been like that, but Mexico, I think, used to not be like, or maybe Canada used to be licensed when I was.

[1224] I used to go to Montreal.

[1225] No, you're right, you're right.

[1226] You're right, because I used to go fishing trips with it.

[1227] Yeah, so I don't know.

[1228] I don't know how long ago it was, but they definitely changed a lot since, you know.

[1229] Dude, I want to get these injections.

[1230] You should.

[1231] Just for no reason.

[1232] I just want to get it.

[1233] I did it for no reason.

[1234] And I was like, fuck it.

[1235] How come he only did it once?

[1236] No, I did it twice.

[1237] Oh, you did twice.

[1238] Yeah, but the second time I just fell like, I just left.

[1239] I actually went like straight from Burning Man down there.

[1240] and I only got 70 and I just I don't know I did a fast before and I kind of like and I got I kind of got sick and then I took some antibiotics they say you're not supposed to take antibiotics I don't know I maybe I fucked it up I'm not really sure but I just remember the first time was a distinctly like super strong effect yeah well I believe boss route and went to South America I think did you remember where he said he went Jamie Peru did he say Peru?

[1241] Yeah, my buddy does it in Cancun.

[1242] I know they were doing it in Germany.

[1243] Yeah, I think Disseldorf.

[1244] I mean, you know, it's just basically anywhere that's not in the U .S., I think.

[1245] Yeah.

[1246] Well, we got fucked during the Bush administration when they did this sweeping ban on stem cells because of the religious right.

[1247] Exactly.

[1248] They don't want you to play God and, you know.

[1249] Well, it wasn't just that.

[1250] It's like they were concerned.

[1251] Stem cells were connected to fetal tissue and there was this whole idea that people were going to get abortions on purpose just to get the fetal tissue and a cell to stem cell.

[1252] Yeah, and they probably would.

[1253] I mean, someone probably would.

[1254] For sure.

[1255] I mean, it probably wouldn't be a lot of people, but it'd be enough that it would be an issue with some folks.

[1256] So because of that, all these European countries, especially Germany, got way ahead of the curve when it comes to stem cell research and applications in the medical industry.

[1257] And, you know, what we're seeing now, you know, you obviously know, Regina Keen was invented in Germany.

[1258] That's how I found out about it for a day in a white.

[1259] Yeah, Mickey Roker's doing it on his knee like, fuck, I think it was like 20 years.

[1260] years ago or something crazy i mean do you know mickey rock i've met him twice tell him to saddle down just calm down dude he's he seemed like a cool dad he does seem like a good guy yeah just calm down yeah he's uh whatever you're doing don't do that anymore just just just relax what a fucking actor though the wrestler was like one of my favorite movies i thought that was so good i mean go back to some of his old shit angel heart yeah it's a bad motherfucker i mean it's good i just the wrestler just seems so authentic i don't know just uh yeah i just like that that movie well it was perfect for him at the time too because he was an older guy and you know and he was kind of fucked up he looked apart yeah yeah yeah he was perfect for it yeah now he's a fucking amazing actor and people forget that because he's kind of a freak now but if you if you go back to his earlier stuff and you see like how good he was and diner you know i mean he's a fucking he was amazing he was amazing but uh yeah whatever he's doing don't do that anymore but uh but uh but uh I know Peyton Manning went down there to Germany.

[1261] So now, let me ask you, is that stuff banned in professional sports?

[1262] Regenicine?

[1263] No, no, no, no, no. Not the healing stuff.

[1264] I'm talking about just like stem cell infusions.

[1265] No, no, not yet.

[1266] Oh, wow.

[1267] But could be soon.

[1268] I don't know how you.

[1269] I mean, I don't know if you could test for that.

[1270] I mean, it's like, because the thing, what I've been told is you cannot tell the difference between a regular, like a stem cell from you or a stem cell from me or whatever that's been scrubbed and thin your system.

[1271] I mean, it's like they said to me a stem cell is a stem cell.

[1272] Well, I pay very close attention to the latest cutting edge research for doping because of the UFC.

[1273] And because I'm friends with Jeff Novitsky, who's the guy who busted Lance Armstrong, who's, of course, the guy who works for the UFC now.

[1274] And he and I talk all the time.

[1275] And it's really fucking interesting how these people who are trying to get ahead are like way, they're way ahead of the people that are trying to detect it.

[1276] So, like, now they're developing testosterone from animals, which is interesting, because you're seeing people that are taking testosterone, it's exogenous testosterone, but it used to be that they were getting it from wild yams.

[1277] So what they would do is they'd do carbon isotope tests, and they would be able to detect that the testosterone inside of your body is not from a biological.

[1278] It's not from an animal.

[1279] The testosterone is actually coming from a yam.

[1280] There's a Mexican wild yam.

[1281] It's really interesting.

[1282] But now they're figuring out a way to extract it from.

[1283] animals, at least theoretically.

[1284] So, Novitsky's, Navitsky says it, like, it hasn't been proven yet, but they're pretty sure.

[1285] So what they're doing now is they're taking people's piss and blood, and then they freeze it, and they hold on to it for eight years.

[1286] So the idea is that eight years from now, they're going to find out, like, new detection methods, and they're using those the Olympics now, which is why two Russian Olympic gold medalists in wrestling got their medals taken away from 2008.

[1287] Oh, wow.

[1288] Yeah, and they haven't even gone in 2012 yet, so there's 2012, I mean, there's, these guys are going to get fucked over, for sure.

[1289] But, you know, Russia has an extensive state -sponsored anti -doping agency.

[1290] Yeah, well, they also are pretty big advocates.

[1291] I mean, they were the ones that started it.

[1292] Oh, yeah.

[1293] back of the power of thing.

[1294] These Germans, too, yeah.

[1295] Yeah.

[1296] Well, they started it, but also what's interesting is the scientists that were involved in the program, they all got whacked.

[1297] They're killing these motherfuckers left and right.

[1298] I don't know.

[1299] Because all the people that know, when one guy blew Russian anti -doping guys blew the whistle, apparently they just started icing these motherfuckers.

[1300] To see if you pull that up, Jamie.

[1301] Like, how many Russian anti -doping scientists have been murdered?

[1302] Wow, that's crazy.

[1303] They don't fuck around over there, man. They don't fuck around.

[1304] And from what I've heard, like, Putin's, like, really into the sports, too.

[1305] So he's like...

[1306] Oh, yeah.

[1307] He's into fighting.

[1308] He loves Fador.

[1309] Fadour Emilienenko?

[1310] Yeah.

[1311] Whatever happened to that guy?

[1312] Motherfucker time.

[1313] motherfucker time got him you know and jesus got him got super into jesus oh really yeah he uh he changed his body changed um i don't know it's indicative of his training methods well he never really had much of a body on him it's always always looked like a guy that yeah that's what i'm saying it's so strange to me when you see guys like him or especially guys like country nelson it's like this guy train like i just don't understand how you can train all the time and look like it's just like so crazy to me right I know, especially Roy, right?

[1314] That's what I'm saying, yeah, big country, yeah.

[1315] It's like...

[1316] Well, Roy, he wears it like a badge of courage, too.

[1317] Yeah.

[1318] I think Roy, if he just...

[1319] If Roy got super disciplined and lost a ton of weight, he would be fighting at 185 pounds, and he would be knocking motherfuckers to the moon.

[1320] It'd been invincible.

[1321] With that fucking chin that this guy's been getting cracked, like, the big guys can't knock him out.

[1322] How the fucking little guys, right?

[1323] Well, unfortunately, his chin started to fail him in recent years.

[1324] I mean, a couple...

[1325] Mark Hunt knocked him out.

[1326] Yeah, but that's just...

[1327] kind of like time right but i'm just saying like you know genetically the guy was like blessed with like you know the freakyest chin of all time crazy right so it's like i just but i just i never understood how you could train that much because i'm i mean obviously it's genetics but i just remember you know when i was in the military like going through and i i would eat like pizzas i would eat butter i mean i was trying to like gain fat because it was so fucking cold in this water right and i just couldn't do it yeah you know like granted we were probably training more hours but like fuck i don't know i mean a lot of these you know ufc guys that i know They train six hours a day.

[1328] I mean, it's just like...

[1329] Yeah, I don't know what Roy eats, but it's not good.

[1330] Whatever it is.

[1331] It's most likely a lot of carbs.

[1332] Most likely he's just taking in a lot of sugar, a lot of carbs, and his body doesn't know what to do with it.

[1333] And it's just...

[1334] He must just have a slow metabolism.

[1335] I just...

[1336] I don't know.

[1337] I mean, he certainly trains hard.

[1338] He's got endurance.

[1339] I mean, Roy doesn't gas out.

[1340] I mean, he gets tired like everybody else does, but it's not like a fatigue issue.

[1341] Yeah, no. What's crazy is I knew Roy way back in the day, and Roy was known as being like a really good grappler.

[1342] He was a Brazilian Jiu -Jitsu competitor.

[1343] I knew him before he ever did MMA.

[1344] And when he did MMA, my thought was, oh, well, you're going to see some high -level grappling from this guy.

[1345] This guy's like a stud on the mat.

[1346] Nope.

[1347] Just started bombing the guys out.

[1348] Hardly ever.

[1349] Well, the one time we really see his jiu -jitsu was in the Andrei Orlovsky fight when he's fighting in the lead -X -C, took Arlovsky down, had him in side control, but elite X -C was, they were really corrupt.

[1350] And they had this weird thing where if you were on the ground for more than 15 seconds, they'd stand you up.

[1351] So he's on the ground, inside control with a double wrist lock, going for a Kimura on Orlovsky, and they stand him up, and he wound up getting stopped by Arlofsky.

[1352] But that was that, you know, they were making Kimbo slice, their poster boy, and it was like Gary Shaw was promoting it, he was a boxing guy, and he had his own idea about how to promote it, and they weren't MMA friendly.

[1353] It was just they wanted excitement.

[1354] They didn't really want to promote, like, in a pure sense of the sport.

[1355] You know, so it was, the whole thing was kind of fucked, but...

[1356] I remember I saw Kimbo, I was down to Miami, and I saw one of his fights or whatever, and they had, like, some alternate guy, like, coming off the couch, and this guy had knocked him out, like, Seth Petruzelli.

[1357] Ten seconds.

[1358] It was just so crazy.

[1359] That was a bad fight.

[1360] They should have never taken that fight.

[1361] Seth Petruzelli's very good.

[1362] And when I saw that, I had known that Kimbo was a tough guy.

[1363] He was a really good guy, too.

[1364] Unfortunately, he passed away recently.

[1365] Just kind of fucked up because he had a bad heart, and he was scheduled for another fight.

[1366] Did they ever figure out what it was?

[1367] It was just...

[1368] Bad heart?

[1369] He had some congenital heart defect, you know?

[1370] I mean, I don't know if it was genetic.

[1371] I don't know if it was something that happened along the way.

[1372] I don't know.

[1373] But he was a really good guy, like pretty much universally loved.

[1374] Really good guy.

[1375] His story is so crazy.

[1376] I heard the guy basically almost like walked onto the football team.

[1377] Yeah.

[1378] Yeah.

[1379] Living on the streets.

[1380] Yeah, I mean, just a tough, tough guy, knew how to punch.

[1381] And, you know, when I found out about him, I found out about him like everybody else did.

[1382] through these YouTube videos.

[1383] Did you ever see when he fought Sean Gannon?

[1384] I don't know.

[1385] Sean Gannon was a cop.

[1386] Oh, yes.

[1387] Yeah, yeah, the white guy, right?

[1388] It's all big white guy.

[1389] See if you find that in Sean Gannon versus Kimbo Slices.

[1390] They had a dojo war.

[1391] Yeah.

[1392] And he was a cop in Massachusetts.

[1393] And he got in trouble for beating up Kimbo.

[1394] And like he got suspended, I think, from the police force.

[1395] Yeah, there he is right there.

[1396] This is a crazy fight, man. Yeah, I remember this one.

[1397] This brawl in the middle of this dojo.

[1398] I think Kenny Florian was there and people were posted.

[1399] This was on Mixmarshalarts .com, which is the greatest martial arts website on the internet, back in the day, we all watched this shit live.

[1400] I don't remember if we had to pay for it.

[1401] It was streaming on some website or something like that.

[1402] These guys are banging it out.

[1403] I like it.

[1404] I remember this.

[1405] I definitely remember being like, fuck, this guy can fucking throw some punches.

[1406] Oh, yeah.

[1407] The first time we got tested, right?

[1408] Yeah.

[1409] This is, well, Sean Gannon is, A tough motherfucker.

[1410] I mean, tough as hell.

[1411] Longtime cop, real martial artist, had a bunch of pro fights, and there was like all these discrepancies about the rules because he's got him in a standing guillotine, and they're trying to break it up, and there's all, you got to let go and all this different shit.

[1412] So he lets go, and then it winds up going to the ground.

[1413] Like, it was all stacked against Gannon because, you know, they didn't want Kimmer to get submitted.

[1414] Yeah, nobody wanted the legend to die, right?

[1415] Yeah, and, you know, Gannon's got a hold of this guillotine, and he doesn't want to let it And then Kimbo winds up getting them down on the ground.

[1416] So then Kimbo's ground and pounding them.

[1417] See, like this, this is supposed to be illegal too.

[1418] You're not supposed to be able to do this.

[1419] But Gannon had a fucking head like a fire hydrant and just super game and great endurance.

[1420] And so Kimbo is used to taking these guys out and he couldn't take Gannon out.

[1421] And Gannon eventually beat him down.

[1422] And they had some crazy nonsense like a 30 count.

[1423] Like when he goes down, you count to 30 before you get back up.

[1424] I'm not kidding.

[1425] And he beat it once.

[1426] He beat it once and then Gannon got him, knocked him down again.

[1427] But you can see Kimbo starting to get tired and that was the big thing.

[1428] So he goes from this and then starts fighting in Elite XC and has some great fights, man, some really good fights that James Thompson fight.

[1429] It was kind of controversial as well.

[1430] But I knew him as like a pretty tough, I mean really tough.

[1431] But as far as like professional skill set, you know, he wasn't like at the elite level.

[1432] And so when he fought Petruzelli, I was like, oh, my God, he's going to get fucked up.

[1433] Like, this is a terrible fight for him.

[1434] Petrazzelli is like, he's a world -class fighter.

[1435] And that happened real quick.

[1436] Yeah.

[1437] No, I remember.

[1438] I was, yeah, I was like front road for that thing.

[1439] So tell me about your heart attacks if you can't show me the video.

[1440] Yeah.

[1441] So basically, yeah, I was, I think it was, yeah, 25.

[1442] I was on a ski trip, my fraternity brothers.

[1443] We were in Park City, Utah.

[1444] yeah park city and uh we just been partying i i met this chick in the lift line ended up uh getting her number and it went to the bar and i got like everybody's shit face it was like three hundred bucks right got the whole bar drunk we're you know we're having fun we go back to her house we're banging until like seven in the morning or six in the morning and then i got a call like i just showered i was like just started sleeping and my buddy's like hey it's the last fucking day like we're going like let's ride and i was just like ah fuck it all right sure so i took a shot i drank some coffee like it's got my shit on went out we took a shot of booze yeah shot tequila jesus christ wow i was like fuck i mean you know what i mean if you if you keep drinking you don't get hung over right so i was like fuck it so went wrote all day and then that night i don't know i don't know if it was like a stomach flu or what but i was just like pukin and i just like couldn't keep anything down i remember i paid like the hotel guy like a hundred bucks you gave me a bunch of gatorages it couldn't even like leave my room so next day I go to the airport and I knew that if I got an IV I'd feel better because I've like had some you know you know when you get dehydrated that's usually like the root of most your problem so I just like end up buying an IV from this medic because the guy's like well if I hooked this up to you you know like you're not going to be able to fly and I was like dude like you know I gave a bunch of bullshit I was you know a fucking medic from the military and you know this and that I'm you know qualified to do that You know, anyway, this guy ended up fucking selfie the bag, you know, basically just gave it to me. I hooked it up myself, like, on the plane.

[1445] Had you ever done this before?

[1446] Yeah, we did it a couple times when we were buds.

[1447] Like, if we went out drinking or whatever, and we had to, like, train the next day.

[1448] And this is a commercial flight or a private flight?

[1449] Commercial, yeah.

[1450] So a commercial flight, you hook up an IV bag.

[1451] Yeah, well, in the bathroom.

[1452] Like, yeah, before I got on there, right?

[1453] So I go in the bathroom, like, hook this thing up, you know.

[1454] Jesus.

[1455] Yeah, you know, you got to wait like an hour, right?

[1456] So I'm like, what else are going to do?

[1457] I fucking, you know, hooked this thing up, start feeling better, go to Vegas.

[1458] How long did you let it drip in there for?

[1459] I mean, probably 20 minutes.

[1460] So you just locked the bathroom?

[1461] And just, yeah, I just like hooked it up and fucking hope.

[1462] Did anybody bang in the door?

[1463] Hey, dude, I got to take a shit.

[1464] No, no, it was like, I'm pretty sure it was in the airport.

[1465] I mean, it's just been like fucking 11, 12 years.

[1466] But yeah, I think it was a, it wasn't on the plane.

[1467] It was like in the airport, I think.

[1468] Okay.

[1469] Like in the airport.

[1470] Yeah.

[1471] And so, you know, I just.

[1472] You know, and so I started...

[1473] So, yeah, it's super sketchy.

[1474] I don't even know if I used alcohol.

[1475] I'm such a scumbag.

[1476] So I, uh, yeah, so I get to Vegas.

[1477] I'm like, feeling a little bit better.

[1478] I'm just like, I'm such a sick of, like, want to go gamble, right?

[1479] Like, I should have gone and, like, you know, checked into...

[1480] Oh, yeah, I did check into my room.

[1481] I should have, like, gone to sleep.

[1482] But no, I, like, go gamble.

[1483] Play poker all fucking night.

[1484] I'm, like, gambling, you know, poker's stressful and this and that.

[1485] My buddy comes to me. He's like, hey, like, you know, we got these strippers.

[1486] Like, let's go to the strip club.

[1487] we got ecstasy and all this drugs and I was like fuck I was like all right fine you know I was like winning in poker I was like fine sure so we start getting fucked up go to the strip club and um and I asked the you know and I asked the first chick that like came over she's like oh like you want some lap dances I'm like no like I haven't slept in like two days like I just want to get my dick suck I'll give you 500 bucks right suck my dick and she's like no like you know like I'll fuck you and I was like no like you know I was like I don't really want to fuck you I just want, you know, to get the blow job.

[1488] And she slaps me, like, because basically she's, like, offering to fuck me for free.

[1489] And I said, no. So she's like, oh.

[1490] So she's like, she slaps me in the face, right?

[1491] Like, I was like, damn.

[1492] And I was like, and then this, and then the next chick comes up.

[1493] And I, like, offer to the same thing.

[1494] I was like, hey, like, I'll give you 500 bucks.

[1495] It's like, I don't really want any lap dances.

[1496] She's like, well, it's like, you know, I'm down to hang out, you know, and, you know, I can get off.

[1497] And I'm just like, fuck.

[1498] I'm just like, well, this sounds like.

[1499] Like, she's going to want me to bang her.

[1500] I'm like, I don't want to get slapped again.

[1501] I was just like, okay, like, you know, get your shit.

[1502] Like, let's get out of here.

[1503] Let's go after party.

[1504] So I talked to my buddy.

[1505] I'm like, hey, like, I need it, you know, I need a Viagra or some kind of dick pill or something, you know.

[1506] And I'd never take a Viagra.

[1507] So I didn't really know the dosing or whatever.

[1508] So he gives me the 100 milligram one, which is like for fucking, if you don't know anything by, you know, if you don't know anything by, you know, I'm all coked up.

[1509] you know, seems like it's been an hour, right?

[1510] The guy's like, it hasn't been enough time.

[1511] I'm like, give me the fucking, give me another pill.

[1512] And, uh, so he, so he's like, no, like, you can't.

[1513] I'm like, give me the fucking thing.

[1514] So he gives me another.

[1515] He's like, only take half.

[1516] He's like, don't, you know, don't take this.

[1517] And so anyway, so I take another half, wait like five minutes, do some more blow.

[1518] And I'm like, oh, my dick's not hard.

[1519] Like, the girl's not even around.

[1520] Like, I have no, like, sexual stimulus.

[1521] There's no even reason for my dick to be hard, right?

[1522] But it's like, in my mind, I'm like overthinking it, which makes it worse, right?

[1523] So I'm like, fuck it.

[1524] So I take the other half.

[1525] So now I'm like 200 milligrams into this fucking Vagra, which is like, you know, double the absolute max from what I, you know.

[1526] You can have to some guys have to get their dick drained, right?

[1527] Yeah, yeah.

[1528] Well, we get to that.

[1529] So go back to my hotel and I'm like fucking banging the shit out of this girl.

[1530] Like, you know, I mean, I got like veins coming out of my head.

[1531] I'm sweating profusely and I'm like doing blood.

[1532] I'd fucked her for like maybe like 45, 50 minutes.

[1533] Like it was not pleasurable at all.

[1534] this was like work right i'm just like and after like like man i think it was like 50 minutes i just like i just like i just like you know i just knew there was just zero chance of me coming and i'd like punish this chick enough and i'm just like i like didn't like i was just tired i went in the bathroom to a cold shower my dick like wouldn't go down like i and i like ordered some room service i ended up like tucking it up into my waist and um because like there's just no going down for this fucking thing right so eat the room service I think, oh yeah, then I actually ended up taking a valium, went to sleep, banged her again, woke up, went and ate some Mexican food, I was like betting on the sports game, and I started getting like this pain in my shoulder, and I couldn't really, like, know what it was.

[1535] It kind of just felt like an ache.

[1536] So I started doing some push -ups.

[1537] That didn't really make it feel any better.

[1538] And I was like stretching my arm out.

[1539] I was like trying to sleep, but I couldn't even like lay on that side.

[1540] I'm just like, what the fuck?

[1541] like heart attack never even entered into the realm of possibility of shit that could be wrong on me right like fucking 25 like it's like shoulder pain like wow you know i i didn't have no idea that i'd have any to do it a hard day so call my mom tardy at the family doctor on the phone she calls this dude up and i'm like getting like kind of short of breath so i'm like fuck so i just hang up the phone and i find out the hospital's like 10 minutes away so i'm like fuck it i'll just get a cab be faster i should have got an ambulance but i got a cab you know note to self always got an ambulance if you got any shit because i got the cab i was in the waiting room for like 50 minutes i pulled out like 10 grand out of my pocket i told the lady i was like i'll give you 10 grand let me talk to the fucking doctor like something's wrong me i don't know what's wrong but i know something's wrong anyway does she take the 10 grand fuck no let me sit in the fucking waiting room and like 30 40 minutes go by i finally get seen by doctor he's like holy shit like you're having a full -blown heart attack all this stuff and give me the nitrolycerin and I call my dad and my mom was like you know telling my law I'm like I'm thinking I'm fucking done right and because this has been going on for a while I'm like having a hard time breathe in I'm like in pain and so they give me the nitroglycerin right and I start feeling better they do an angiogram or whatever where they check out the heart they say there was no damage parents come out the next day I have another one and I'm like and I tell the doctor I'm and my doctor was Conrad Murray too by the way which is Michael Jackson doctor the guy that smoked him him.

[1542] And the craziest...

[1543] That was your doctor?

[1544] Yeah.

[1545] And the spookiest thing about the whole deal was, my grandfather had the same doctor in the same motherfucking hospital exactly one year prior and died.

[1546] So I'm just like, you know, this is not looking good for the home team.

[1547] This is before he killed Michael Jackson's ass too, right?

[1548] So I'm like, you know, fuck, I'm just in the hospital.

[1549] So I call my dad.

[1550] I'm like, I'm having another heart attack.

[1551] I tell the nurse and they're like, no, like your thing looks fine.

[1552] I call my dad.

[1553] I'm like, there's something wrong.

[1554] My dad, like, comes down to the hospital and she's.

[1555] sure enough like I'm having a second like minor heart attack I'm just like what the fuck so they do a bunch of tests they say my heart's fine and then they ask you for like the list so I got to like give them the list and my ex -girlfriend's there my mom's there my dad's there and I'm just like started off with like oh well you know I was like smoking the pot and he's like well you know like you better tell us like what you've been doing like it's important we need to figure out what's going on with you and I was yeah and you know I did you know I did some you know ecstasy and some cocaine and like my dad like looks over at me like what the fuck you know my dad's like super square and um anyway so then and then I was like yeah and I think I took some Viagra my girlfriend's like fucking rioting now and he's like how much I'm like 200 milligrams he's like what he's like 200 million I'm like I don't fucking know it's like I see you know seem like what I was supposed to say he's like that's like an insane amount like anyway so I I end up staying in the hospital for like four days I actually fucked my girlfriend in the hospital with all these like cords and crazy shit oh jesus christ i like smoked a joint in the hospital thing i fucked her like i had a buddy of my bringing like wine coolers and chinese food i was like the worst patient of all time right and somehow like you know so they give me all these fucking pills i got to take they're telling me like i got to take these pills for the rest of my life for the rest of your life that's what they said and i was just like after like three days like i fucked my girlfriend ate the chinese food i was like okay i'm like back to being invincible again i threw all the shit away what is a heart attack exactly i've heard that that phrase but what is the exact medical thing that's going on you know for a guy that's had two i should know um i don't know i think it's just like basically when your heart's not getting enough oxygen or something or i'm i don't know it's not functioning properly yeah like usually there's like uh yeah there's like a blocked artery there's like something and and i think like coke is uh is a vasal constrictor or whatever so maybe it like constricted my veins so there wasn't like enough flow but isn't the viagra a basil dilator, so shouldn't that bounce it out?

[1556] I think, but I don't know, you know what I mean?

[1557] I don't know.

[1558] I don't really know the science behind it, but I know that, like, Coke and Viagra, I don't think you're supposed to make some I don't know.

[1559] Wow.

[1560] I mean, I know I did a lot of both.

[1561] Should have canceled out, but I guess it didn't.

[1562] I guess my body was, like, so confused, it's going so in directions, it's like, fuck you, just shut down.

[1563] I don't know.

[1564] Wow.

[1565] But, yeah.

[1566] Wow.

[1567] That's fucking terrifying.

[1568] 25 years old and have a heart attack.

[1569] Yeah, yeah, it's pretty crazy, right?

[1570] Right.

[1571] But your heart obviously works great now.

[1572] I mean, you did that Vegas run.

[1573] Yeah, that crazy bike thing.

[1574] The bike, yeah.

[1575] Which was fucking hilarious because you and I were talking about it.

[1576] And then Lance Armstrong gets a hold to me. He says, hey, man, I want to help him.

[1577] Yeah, I remember I got the text from you.

[1578] And you're like, yeah, would you want Lance the coach?

[1579] I was like, oh, you fuck, yeah.

[1580] So what did he do?

[1581] There's a bear shit in the woods.

[1582] So, I mean, it was funny because he, like, came out.

[1583] And I was like, you know, expecting it.

[1584] I was like, okay, like, you know, what kind of drugs do I need?

[1585] to do.

[1586] I'm like ready to get all doped up and he didn't really like want to talk about any of the drug shit, which is like kind of disappointing.

[1587] He didn't want to talk about the drug shit?

[1588] No, no. I was like, I thought this guy would have like some like miracle formula, right?

[1589] I was like ready to get all hooked up.

[1590] But I actually had like a super high hemocrat count.

[1591] And he was actually the one that told me. He's like, I think sleep apnea makes it so that you have a really, that you can have a really high red blood cell count.

[1592] So I actually have like the equivalent of like the guys that are doing the EPO and doping.

[1593] From sleep apnea?

[1594] I guess.

[1595] Sleep apnea.

[1596] it helps in some sort of a way?

[1597] Well, because you're basically at night, you're...

[1598] Gasping for air.

[1599] Yeah, gasping for air and you're lacking oxygen.

[1600] So it's kind of like goes back to the whole like sleeping in an oxygen tent, right?

[1601] So, you know, the reason you do that is because you don't have enough oxygen because you don't.

[1602] Your body stimulates your red blood cell, you know, count.

[1603] And so because red blood cells are what transports the oxygen.

[1604] So the less oxygen you have, the more your body produces that.

[1605] Well, if it gets to a certain point, then your blood kind of turns into fucking syrup, right?

[1606] This is amazing.

[1607] Look at that.

[1608] Surprising link between sleep apnea and red blood cells.

[1609] count according to sleep review magazine elevated red blood cell count or a high hematicrit is an indicator of a lack of oxygen in a person's body yeah that's amazing so sleep apnea can actually give you more endurance sort of well you know the time yeah the problem is you don't really recover so I actually got actually because of him actually ended up getting a mouth guard which I think helped I have a really good one and I know I know a really good doctor I don't know if yours is the same as well we'll talk about that living mom was like 50 bucks on lines it's probably not yeah it's probably not there's a guy it's close to here It actually pushes down in your tongue because the issue is you're, well, with a lot of guys who work out a lot.

[1610] Mine was they put my jaw, like it kind of moved my back jaw forward a little bit.

[1611] It kind of like gives me an underbite, so it's supposed to open the airway, but I don't know.

[1612] That's not the best one.

[1613] There's a better one than that.

[1614] For me, it's a life changer.

[1615] It changed my fucking life, you know.

[1616] Guys will work out a lot in particular.

[1617] You develop big neck muscles, and that can constrict the airhole.

[1618] And your tongue can fall back on that, especially if you line your back.

[1619] Like, if I lie on my back, dude, I sound, it sounds hard.

[1620] It sounds like choking and it's just terrific.

[1621] Yeah, I'm in the same boat.

[1622] Yeah.

[1623] So, so what did he have you do?

[1624] Lance or?

[1625] Lance.

[1626] Oh, so, I mean, I did, you know, I did a good ride with him.

[1627] We did, like, some vehicle drafting, which was actually, like, surprisingly really fucking hard because you have to stay close enough to the vehicle to where you're, like, in that draft.

[1628] but then if you get caught by a crosswind and plus if you're drafting a vehicle you can't see like what's in the road and if you hit any shit in the road or there's a you know because on my race I blew out a front tire doing like 30 something downhill and almost crash and I was like on the highway doing this too so I like you know they have those things that like wake you up when you're sleeping you know this big fucking yeah so try hitting that on a fucking bicycle with little skinny tires doing like 30 miles an hour like that shit's gnarly so it like sent me into the fucking highway and I'm getting passed by like tractor trailers at like 70, 80, 90 miles an hour, which if you think about it, if you're in a car and it, like, weighs 5 ,000 pounds and it can pull a car, imagine what it does to a guy on a bike bike that weighs 200 pounds plus fucking, you know, 10 bike.

[1629] Well, we didn't explain the bet.

[1630] What was the bet?

[1631] Oh, oh, so it actually originally, we're in a poker game, and it's got Bill Perkins.

[1632] He, you know, he just makes crazy best all the time because he's a real rich guy and he likes to just fucking make people do crazy shit.

[1633] And it's kind of like, you know, it's the poker.

[1634] world too so the first bet was he bet my brother that he couldn't go three days without saying the word the i think it was he bet him like a hundred thousand something like that and then i think he basically just wanted to shut my brother up so i want to pay a hundred grand do it because he's like fuck you so it worked uh well he ended up buying out because he realized that my brother was just like such a stubborn asshole that he just like wasn't going to talk for three days and he's like married with kids you're like doesn't have to go out and get any pussy and like you can probably just like sit home with his fucking miserable dogs and just like not talk for three days and just collect a hundred grand so you end up buying out of that but that's on the honor system right i mean oh yeah all this honor system i mean that's the thing about the poker community is like you would lie one fucking time or you don't pay a debt back and you're just done like nobody will fuck with you so you you know your word has to be good which is kind of like like you know one of my things which you know irritates me like when people say that i'm not authentic because i take like great pride and like you know being fucking 100 percent honest about everything you know so and that's been like drilled in through 13 14 years of gamble that's a big one though if you're married because your wife'd be like listen it's me with me the bet doesn't count okay you have to say the you know no no that he yeah no he my brother would would have told them um and so you know we were just discussing crazy shit because in in the poker world they've done crazy stuff like one guy bet another guy 5 000 he wouldn't jump in the shark tank atlantis another guy bet that um fuck what was it i mean i bet fuck i bet 400 000 on a drag race and i hadn't even raced a car before um and then there was fuck there was another there's been so many crazy ones i'm just trying to think of the highlight reel oh boy um there was one really good one um anyway so he ended up betting um i'll think i'll think of some other ones later but he ended up wanting to bet Rick Solomon that he couldn't ride from L .A. to Vegas to L .A. or Vegas to L .A. or whatever on a bicycle in 48 hours.

[1635] And Rick, like, called one of his buddies that has, like, set some Guinness Book of World Records things and asked him.

[1636] And the guy's like, look, like, it's not going to fucking happen, buddy.

[1637] You can't do this.

[1638] And so Rick ended up turning down the bet.

[1639] And it was just, like, really intriguing to me because I'm always up for physical tests.

[1640] You know, like during, during, you know, how a week, you see.

[1641] stay up for it's five and a half days and no sleep and you run 144 miles like boats and telephone poles and you get hypothermia and you're doing all this like crazy shit you don't sleep for five and a half days and you're just going the entire time right so i've like put myself through some like and i did two of those right so i've put myself through some like real serious like physical tests and one of the things that you learn there is that your body's just capable of way more than what you think or anybody else thinks it's capable of doing but one other thing that you learn in gambling is that like there's certain things that sound like a good bet that just aren't just like like drinking a gallon of milk in an hour like that sounds pretty fucking easy right but like there's something with the lactose which like most people just physically can't do it without pukin right because there's just like some weird thing but like who would who would guess that or like saltine crackers like you can't you know what I mean like there's like these weird little things that like sound super easy but you just can't do yeah I would think a gallon of milk would be totally do Yeah, right?

[1642] But it's like, it's like a thing.

[1643] I mean, I remember I bet a fraternity brother and he ended up puking.

[1644] Like I bet him before his midterm and I remember in his midterm, he ended up vomiting on a girl.

[1645] He got kicked out of his class.

[1646] Like, projectile vomited like a gallon of milk onto a girl in his midterm.

[1647] It was like pretty fucking brutal.

[1648] And I was like, yeah, we had some funny midterm stories.

[1649] I actually ended up taking my vitamins one morning with a, I had a thing of GHB and it looks just like water, right?

[1650] And so I ended up taking like a full swallow because I had all these horse pills.

[1651] So I took like a full swig.

[1652] And I was like, holy fuck.

[1653] I was like I had about 20, 30 minutes before I turned into a fucking wild animal, right?

[1654] And so I just like got in my car and I drove right down.

[1655] I called my buddy.

[1656] I was like, hey, I got to take this final.

[1657] I was like, I'm going to be fucking lights out in 30 minutes.

[1658] You got to like come pick me up.

[1659] But I got to like finish as much as I can.

[1660] Right.

[1661] So I go in there and I got like halfway through the test.

[1662] and I was just like, he ended up, like, carrying me out.

[1663] Yeah, you just black out, right?

[1664] Yeah, I was the fuck out.

[1665] Isn't that, that's the call it, it's a date rape drug.

[1666] I think that's real hypnol.

[1667] But, I mean, GHP as well.

[1668] They've used that on people, too.

[1669] Yeah, well, you'd have to be a real fucking asshole to do that because if you mix GHP with alcohol, you can kill somebody, so.

[1670] I know people have done it, though.

[1671] Yeah, you got to be pretty hard up for pussy to, like, risk killing a girl the fucker, but, I don't know.

[1672] Have you ever seen, speaking of the throwing up from drinking too much milk, Did you ever see the Opie and Anthony sketch with the Baby Bird?

[1673] Did you ever see Baby Bird?

[1674] You know what that is?

[1675] No. Maybe the most disgusting stunt that anyone's ever done on the radio.

[1676] They had an eggnog drinking contest.

[1677] Okay.

[1678] And this dude, he drank 72 shots of eggnog.

[1679] Is that what it was?

[1680] Something like that.

[1681] But then projectile vomited.

[1682] And then we were trying to figure out what to do here.

[1683] Before you play this, pause this for a second because let me explain it.

[1684] He knew he was going to throw up.

[1685] So they had this intern named Pat Duffy.

[1686] This intern's fucking crazy.

[1687] And Dave from Woonaki?

[1688] No, who was the other guy?

[1689] Pat from Wunaki is the guy who throws up.

[1690] And Pat Duffy is the guy who is laying down there.

[1691] And we were trying to figure out what to do with the throw up.

[1692] Like he said, I'm going to throw up.

[1693] And so this guy, Pat Duffy.

[1694] Or like, what was that?

[1695] No, no, no. He's an intern.

[1696] He's a fucking animal.

[1697] And you're just fucking with him?

[1698] Or he was just trying to prove he's a man?

[1699] He would do anything.

[1700] He will fucking do anything just for the story, just for the gag.

[1701] So we say, okay, here's the idea, because, you know, I was hosting Fear Factor at the time.

[1702] I go, here's the idea.

[1703] You lean your head over the edge of this garbage pail, and he throws up in your mouth.

[1704] And he's like, I'll do it.

[1705] And we're like, no fucking way.

[1706] And I think Bill Burr was the one who named it.

[1707] He named it the baby bird.

[1708] And so just watch this, because the sheer volume, you're not even going to believe that this is really.

[1709] I'm in Carolines all weekend long.

[1710] I'm in Carolines all weekend long There's the plug So Pat had won this before I mean obviously he's a giant dude And he was on like Number like 72 And this other kid Pat Duffy Sitting there with his head Leaning he's sitting in a chair Leaning back with his head over This barrel And to this day I mean they've got tarps all over the ground Who else was there Ari Shafir was there I think Red Band was there To this day maybe one of the best moments in my life just because it was so completely fucking ridiculous yeah so here it comes he's like here we go he takes one last chock and he's like I'm going to throw up watch this oh my no no you haven't seen nothing you haven't seen nothing he throws in his face no look at this no it keeps going this is nothing when you think it's over it keeps going now watch you think it's over think it's over like there's no way he has more and no he's got way more inside of him look at this oh oh my god it's not over oh he's that has to be going up his fucking nose watch watch watch keep watching keep watching he's not even done he's not even done oh how is it possible holy shit how is it possible oh my god that was like the chick in the midterm hang on Hang on more And this is not fake I mean I was there And we were all there We all saw this live And I think he got There's one more inside of him He gets one more off Nope he said that's it He's done Oh my god Hold on One of the greatest That's so fucking brutal Hang on it's Go ahead One of the greatest things I've ever seen in my life We're gonna get back To this bike racing story Ladies and gentlemen In a moment Ridiculous huh I'm remembering I don't think it was on It might have been on one of the jackass movies or the TV show, BAM's uncle.

[1711] It was crazy uncle drink like 70 shots of peach schnops.

[1712] 70?

[1713] Oh, that's right.

[1714] It was Bam, Baram, Marguerra.

[1715] It was his uncle Donvito.

[1716] The big guy.

[1717] Yeah, yeah.

[1718] Yeah.

[1719] 70?

[1720] 70s.

[1721] I think it was a lot.

[1722] It was way more than 20.

[1723] Oh, my God.

[1724] You could die from that.

[1725] There was a woman in San Jose or Sacramento, one of those places where she was doing a radio contest.

[1726] and it was like how much water can you drink and she died from drinking water like if you drink too much water you could die did this guy get sick from this vomit stuff at all did the kid pat no the kid's bulletproof just doesn't get sick that guy ate cat shit he brushed his teeth with cat shit he also ate fruit loops in the puke like he took a bowl of fruit loops and mixed it with the puke and ate the fruit loops yeah Yeah.

[1727] There's people out there that are different than you and I, Jamie.

[1728] There's people that can do things that we can't do.

[1729] Why?

[1730] Why?

[1731] I just, I don't know.

[1732] Just for the story.

[1733] What's the up to now?

[1734] I don't know.

[1735] Well, we're talking about them, though, you know what I'm saying?

[1736] Like, we're talking about them.

[1737] So it's like, it's one of those things.

[1738] Like, that's why he did it.

[1739] We're still talking about them.

[1740] This isn't a world pre - YouTube, really, right?

[1741] I don't remember when it was.

[1742] It says 2008, but I don't think that's correct.

[1743] I feel like it was earlier than that.

[1744] I feel like it was like 2003 or four.

[1745] something like that i think it was a long time ago it's insane right oh my god so um i think that was like the guy in college so similar to that so back to um the bet so um so the bet is so the bet is that you can't ride a bike from l .a to vegas do you have a starting point um oh yeah so basically it was so he's going to bet this guy and he like looked into it and he's like no that's like not possible and I was hanging out and I was just like fuck I was like doing some research on it and I like looked it up and I like Googled like you know how to prepare for a 300 mile bike ride in a month and like nothing came up it came up like how to prepare prepare for a hundred mile in like three months right so I'm just like that's not a good sign but I just like I don't know something about me just thought it was possible and so I was like talking to bill I was, like, trying to get more time.

[1746] And I talked to, like, some buddies that were cyclists.

[1747] Like, look, they're like, if you had time to, like, train for this, like, you could do it.

[1748] Like, but there's fucking no way, like, just off the couch, you could do it.

[1749] And I'm like, how long, you know, do I need?

[1750] They're, like, minimum three months.

[1751] So I'm talking to Bill.

[1752] And I kind of, like, want the bet.

[1753] But I'm just like, I don't know how much money I really want to risk.

[1754] And so he ended up saying that he would give me because the initial bet was like, you just had to go do it tomorrow, right?

[1755] And I was like, there's no fucking way.

[1756] like, you know, and then he's like, he goes, well, I'll give you a month.

[1757] And I go, give me, it was like until X date.

[1758] And it was like, little under six weeks.

[1759] I was like, and I'll do it.

[1760] And he's like, how much you want to bet?

[1761] I was like, ah, I was like, 600 grand.

[1762] Because I like, I wanted to bet enough to where like I would do it, but I didn't want to bet too much to where like, I'd not only like fucking break my ass, but like, you know, just lose its shitload.

[1763] So it's like 600.

[1764] It seemed like it was a good number.

[1765] So he made the bet and I started doing some research.

[1766] So I go down to the bike shop.

[1767] and I'm like oh like I need a bike like I'm doing a triple century ride and the guy's like oh like how you know how much biking I was like oh like I haven't been on a bike like ever really I did some mountain biking like 19 years the guy just like yeah at that response he just like laughed at me I'm like no like really like I got to do it I got like five weeks and he's just like he just like looked at me like I was a complete fucking retard and I'm like no like I got a bet like I'm gonna do it and then the guy's like okay like like what kind of bike do you want i'm like i don't know like you're the bike shop like tell me like i had no fucking idea right so he gives me like this race bike which is super fucking uncomfortable so i go out and i ride this thing and i rode it like i don't know for like 45 minutes and my ass was just like fucking in so much pain and i'm like i am fucked like i think i made it like 11 miles and i was just like this is going to be really brutal and so i end up finding like a bike where like you could sit down a little bit more as a like a recumbent or whatever it was like a low ride or bicycle right okay so that'll like kind of alleviate a little bit of like the ass issue and it gave me like a slightly different like peddling position so i got that and then i felt a little bit better about the bet and then i talked to i had like ridden a little bit but like nothing over like 20 or 30 miles and that was like you know kind of like going hard and then i talked to you and I talked to Lance and Lance like oh if you use a fucking any other bike other than a road bike like I'm not fucking you know I can't have any of you to do with this and I'm like why I don't know because it's like a fuck I mean I don't know it's a purist yeah he's a bike or I don't fucking know so I'm just like well listen buddy I'm betting big money on this I'm like I'm going to do whatever the fuck I got to do to fucking make it there on a bicycle right and so anyways then I bet Rick Solomon Rick Rick thought I was going to die because like The route that I chose was, like, on the freeway.

[1768] And I didn't have a police escort at the time.

[1769] So he's like, you know, this guy's going to be driving on the freeway at night.

[1770] Like, there's going to be trucks past.

[1771] I'm like, he's got a decent chance of dying.

[1772] So, and he's like, in the heart attack thing.

[1773] And I actually went to the hospital because I was, like, having some, like, shoulder pain again.

[1774] And it felt very similar to the last thing.

[1775] So he's like, fuck.

[1776] So Rick is like, you know, he's like, this is why you were training you were having shoulder pain?

[1777] Yeah, like after I had done like a long ride, one of the nights.

[1778] Like I, like, I actually went to the.

[1779] the hospital I was like kind of worried and so Rick was like saying that and I was like well I was like let's bet that I'll bet you I don't die and I was like and I'll give you odds I was like because for me I'm like well fuck I can't take it with me if I do die like fuck it you know like and and then it would like up the stakes for me without really like too much risk and so I was like I'll like I'll bet you whatever the fuck you want you know what I mean like I'll bet you my plane and and I was like, and I'll give you, I think it was like 10 to 1 or 21.

[1780] I think I was like, I gave him like, fuck.

[1781] I think I initially offered them like 20 to 1 odds and then we settled it like, I don't know.

[1782] It ended up being where he would, he would lose 250 ,000 and I would give him like my plane plus my pilots for, you know, he got my plane and then I'd pay the pilots for a year.

[1783] We like, as all these.

[1784] But you had to die.

[1785] You had to die.

[1786] But if I didn't, if I didn't complete the race, then it was like a wash. Right.

[1787] For me, I'm just like, fuck.

[1788] Because Rick didn't think I could do it, period, right?

[1789] So he didn't think there was a possibility that I could do it.

[1790] And then he thought there was a decent chance that I could die.

[1791] So for him, he thought he was kind of free rolling.

[1792] And for me, I was free rolling because it's like, if I die, well, okay, I don't need the fucking plane.

[1793] It ain't going to take me to hell.

[1794] Right?

[1795] So I'm good.

[1796] So I made the bet with him.

[1797] And then I bet a little bit on the side with somebody else.

[1798] So I basically had a million bucks on it when I finally end up doing it.

[1799] And I got a police escort.

[1800] like through Vegas.

[1801] So it's so funny because I had like 11 squad cars like blocking off all the intersections.

[1802] And here comes this fucking dildo on a bicycle like riding right through it.

[1803] I'm like have all like, you know, you're expecting like a like, you know, presidential motorcade to come or like, you know, somebody like everybody's like looking to see like what, you know, this fucking 11 squad cars blocking off every intersection.

[1804] And here's just this fucking asshole on a bicycle.

[1805] Well, a lot of people knew that you were going to do it.

[1806] Yeah.

[1807] But they didn't know when you were going to do it.

[1808] Yeah.

[1809] So you didn't announce when you did.

[1810] I didn't want to announce it because I didn't want people to fuck with me. You know what I mean?

[1811] I didn't want fans to, like, come out and, you know, or people that hated me or anything, right?

[1812] I just wanted to, this is bad enough as it was.

[1813] I'd be on the fucking highway.

[1814] So I end up leaving from Vegas and, uh, and I did it in about 32 hours was the, whoa.

[1815] And what was the bet?

[1816] It was that, it was 48.

[1817] Jesus Christ.

[1818] Yeah.

[1819] So I just remember because there was like, because he was giving me some shit.

[1820] about, because I was allowed to draft, but he was saying that the van that I had had the doors open, like, because you had to leave the doors open, because I want to talk to my coach and they were like filming it and stuff, so we had the doors open.

[1821] So he was like bitching, Rick was bitching about that, which was kind of stupid for Rick to bitch about, because that was like what made it the least safe of all was, you know, drafting off a car because you got to be like six inches from this car and you can't see like shit in the road.

[1822] So if they have to slam on the brakes, you're fucking in the car.

[1823] car you're crashing like and we had we had times when like there was a yeah there was a time when there was we were on a fucking one lane road right and there was um there was so there's one lane and we're in this lane and there's a lane going this way and we had a car come to pass us as another car was coming and missed like our van by like inches and they were doing like 50 60 miles an hour like cross if they were to crash like out of an dead for sure like it was fucking bad and so like shit got pretty gnarly some of the spots um i blew out of tire doing like 30 something miles an hour downhill i mean it was like who is did you rest at all while you doing this yeah i slept for like an hour or two maybe an hour and a half um and then i like stopped uh to eat but it was mostly just just trucked the whole way through.

[1824] And so you stayed on this like recumbent style bike the whole time?

[1825] No, I did half it on that and half on a road bike and then and the second half of it I didn't, I just, I did no drafting.

[1826] I just did a road bike with no drafting.

[1827] How come no drafting?

[1828] He was bitching about it and I just I was just like fuck it, I don't need it like it.

[1829] He was bitching about it while you were riding?

[1830] Yeah, like how did he know?

[1831] So I'm like having, was he there?

[1832] Oh yeah, he was following me. So I'm having like arguments with him and I was just like it was helpful but it only helped on like flat like it so it doesn't help at all on the uphill right so no uphill it helps and on the downhill I didn't need it because you're going so fucking fast that like you don't really want to be going more than like 30 40 miles an hour on downhills because like if you hit shit in the road like you're and you crash like you're fucked you know what I mean like if I crash like I couldn't finish the thing so there's that and there's shit in the road I mean I'm on like the side of a highway there's like tires and nails and you know what I mean like so you don't really want to be going like and I couldn't go on the highway because I couldn't get the police escort for the actual highway the CHP wouldn't do the highway portion of it so which would suck because that was like the most dangerous part so I was in the breakdown lane instead of like actually being in like one of the lanes so there's just like there's just shit in the breakdown lanes you know there's like fucking nails and whatever and you're doing it at night yeah there was it was like pitch black sometimes we had fucking like high winds I mean it was gnarly You cut down to like 34 degrees at one point, plus with the winds.

[1833] I mean, I had a ski jacket on.

[1834] What are you thinking to yourself, what the fuck am I doing?

[1835] Yeah, I mean, I've had a lot of those moments in my life, but I was more like thinking like, I just didn't know if I could do it.

[1836] I just didn't know like physically because I had just never done any biking.

[1837] I didn't know if my legs were just going to like not be able to go anymore.

[1838] I had no like real experience in it.

[1839] So I didn't, that was my real concern was just.

[1840] Just like, I didn't knew mentally, like, I was just never going to quit.

[1841] I just didn't want to get injured or, like, just physically not be capable.

[1842] That was, like, my two concerns.

[1843] This is a video of you doing it?

[1844] This, watch this.

[1845] Look at this.

[1846] Look at these two cars.

[1847] That was one fucking lane.

[1848] They just passed each other.

[1849] Yeah, that was very close.

[1850] That was it.

[1851] 38 hours.

[1852] No, 32 hours.

[1853] So 48 hours was a bet, and you did it in 32.

[1854] Mm -hmm.

[1855] How pissed was he when you won?

[1856] He actually took you like a champ.

[1857] He didn't really give a shit.

[1858] That was pretty great.

[1859] He got a lot of money.

[1860] He's a baller.

[1861] He is, for sure.

[1862] What is this?

[1863] Is this your house?

[1864] That's my house, yeah.

[1865] Pulling up after it's over.

[1866] On the bike, yeah.

[1867] That's pretty crazy, right?

[1868] I look like to Grinch the next day.

[1869] I was like, green, fuck.

[1870] You said the most you won is 51 million?

[1871] That was the most you've ever won?

[1872] 54.

[1873] But not in one sitting.

[1874] That was over a course of, eight, nine months.

[1875] And that was just you going at it with this one dude?

[1876] One dude, yeah.

[1877] And you guys playing one -on -one when you're doing shit like that?

[1878] Oh, my God.

[1879] I remember there was one point where I was sitting there That's a granola bar, ladies and gentlemen.

[1880] What the fuck is that sound?

[1881] I know I checked my watch It's been a while.

[1882] So there was one point when I had 18 million bucks in front of me and he had me covered so if he said all in I had to make a decision for 18 million bucks.

[1883] Oh my God.

[1884] He had a billionaire.

[1885] He didn't give a fuck.

[1886] 18 million.

[1887] On a hand.

[1888] Go in one hand above.

[1889] What's the most you've ever had on one hand?

[1890] We'll see how it was.

[1891] I think it was like $14 million, $15 million.

[1892] Now, obviously you had to build up to this.

[1893] Like, at any point in time when you're gambling these ridiculous sums of money, I mean, this is not that long since you were broke.

[1894] I mean, this is like you going from college to you doing this.

[1895] You know, we're only talking about a decade or so.

[1896] Yeah.

[1897] Um, that's fucking crazy.

[1898] Well, there was periods of time when in poker, I've played with like almost my entire net worth on the table.

[1899] Poker players do that kind of shit, though, don't they?

[1900] It's stressful.

[1901] That's crazy.

[1902] I've had my hair fall out before playing.

[1903] Just because you're freaking out?

[1904] Just because it's stressed, man. You know, like, I mean, there's just so many things that go into it.

[1905] Like, you're, you're not only thinking about, like, what that person has, but, like, what do they, like, what do they, like, what do they, think that you think that they have um i mean the basic stuff is what do you think that they think that you have and then like the range of hands that they could have um why you know why why would he be betting this why would he be calling here what type of hands could he have like what are the probabilities that he's bluffing like what is his mental state i mean like just trying to pick up on tell there's just so many things that go into it that you're you're so focused and it's so much money and any little mistake that you make is going to cost you millions of dollars so it's like that that is like a lot and you're playing for sometimes 16 17 hours like you're just like delirious do you take anything while you're playing do you take like pro vigil or adderol or anything i took adderall and it really fucked me up because i just like try to win every hand and it made me like too aggressive and i just like just fucking playing crash in the mountain it was terrible oh wow so try that a couple times no good um try weed and then fucking was terrible every time I was bluffing I was all paranoid shit so I you know no and then sometimes they're taking like volume just so fucking relax you know because I'm just like strung out but then that makes you kind of not give a fuck and so you do stupid shit it's yeah you just almost got to be sober what about beta blockers um I never tried them I never tried them either but I was I saw this thing on concert performers like a penis or it was actually some people that are playing an orchestra they were talking about they took beta blockers and it made a massive impact because they were super nervous about performing and I always thought about it I was like man that's uh I guess it just stops you from getting nervous I would be really curious to see what that feels like yeah yeah no that'd be interesting I uh yeah I've definitely heard of that I think uh I think it's a big thing for actors and stuff like that was stage fright or whatever yeah I'm sure I just don't know how long it lasts because like I said I mean these are you know you're talking about 18 hour sessions and it's just like and also you don't want anything to fuck with your like mental acuity yeah um so do you study the game do you do like study strategy and read read poker books and i did i did you know i did back in the day but back in the day it wasn't quite as advanced now they have so much stuff online where you can basically watch these pros play i'll give you an example back when i was playing um i would play in college i played 10 tables at a time and And you would see about 100 hands an hour.

[1906] And let's say I just played for a 10 -hour session.

[1907] So you're playing 10 tables simultaneously?

[1908] How do you do that?

[1909] You have like 10 windows open up?

[1910] Yeah.

[1911] Yes, you're going click, click, click, click, all between all of them.

[1912] And sometimes you have multiple monitors set up.

[1913] And so basically in that period, if you extrapolate that out, you're seeing 10 ,000 hands, right?

[1914] in that 10 hours of sessions because 100 hands an hour per table times, you know, right?

[1915] So, 10 times 100.

[1916] So if you play in a casino, you're seeing about 20 hands an hour and you're obviously only playing one table.

[1917] So that translates to 200 hands for that day.

[1918] So of one day playing online, I've seen 10 ,000 hands.

[1919] One day playing live, I've seen 200.

[1920] So you can imagine one day playing online, I've seen more hands than a guy that's played in a casino for his entire life.

[1921] So just think about those, you know, numbers.

[1922] And so the thing is, like, when you're playing in a casino, yeah, exactly.

[1923] This picture.

[1924] Who's that dude?

[1925] Elke.

[1926] What's his name?

[1927] Elky.

[1928] Elky.

[1929] That's his whole name?

[1930] Was he, like, Oprah?

[1931] I don't know.

[1932] He's, I think he's a Swedish guy or something like that.

[1933] And so he's just, he's got four giant monitors going on.

[1934] Exactly.

[1935] I mean, these guys are playing even more tables.

[1936] Look at how he's playing.

[1937] That guy's got 12 on each side.

[1938] Yeah.

[1939] Wow.

[1940] So, I mean, this is what it's evolved to.

[1941] You know, I was like one of the pioneers of this stuff.

[1942] Look, this guy.

[1943] He's got fucking six monitors here.

[1944] Yeah.

[1945] So when you can't do this in America anymore, correct?

[1946] Like, it used to be gamble online.

[1947] It stopped.

[1948] I think a Black Friday was in 2009, was it?

[1949] That's fucked too.

[1950] Why not?

[1951] I mean, why not?

[1952] Yeah, I mean, it's total bullshit.

[1953] I mean, it's a game of skill, clearly.

[1954] I mean, they allow the fantasy because it's a game of.

[1955] the skill um and yeah i just i think it's nonsense i don't really care because i wouldn't be playing online anymore because i can't compete with these kids um they've just put too much time and the thing is now there's so much software that does so much for them like for instance it'll tell you how how many hands each person plays pre -flop how many how what percentage of the time they bet the flop what percentage of the time they bluff and they can just figure that out based on like how often they're going to have a hand and how often they bluff.

[1956] So it'll actually give you their bluff percentages on each street, on the flop, turn the river, and it'll tell you how many times they're just like calling bad.

[1957] Like, it'll just give you all these stats.

[1958] It's almost more turned into like a mathematical computer game whereas I like the more pure form of just like, I'm looking the guy in the fucking eye and, you know, just trying to figure out what he's got.

[1959] And you know, you're also playing the player.

[1960] Like, when you're playing live, like you know, for me, I can calculate how much money a guy has very fast.

[1961] I can figure out, like, his comfort level with bluffing.

[1962] I can figure out the type of guy he is, whether or not he's aggressive, whether or not he's the type of guy that when he's winning, he's going to want to lock it up or the type of guy that when he's winning, he's want to gamble more, the type of guy that when he's losing, he's going to kind of play a lot more hands than try and get even, or the type of guy that's going to just like try and wait for a big hand, the type of guy that's going to be just calling his money, chasing, trying to get lucky, that's kind of a guy that's going to be pushing the action and betting a lot.

[1963] Like, there's just so many things that go into it that, you know, I like to just, you know, play live and I like to talk to people and I like to, you know, have that human interaction.

[1964] There's a lot of these guys that are really good behind a computer, but you put them in front of another guy.

[1965] You can't look a man in the eye and just fucking, you know, bluff.

[1966] You just, like, crumble, you know, so online they can click that button and say all in and do these crazy bluffs, but, you know, they just physically can't, like, push those chips in and keep a straight face on a table.

[1967] So, you know.

[1968] So there's something going on when you're, when you're looking.

[1969] at them.

[1970] There's like, there's a certain amount of like I said, I've never played poker.

[1971] So there is a certain amount of intuition and instinct.

[1972] Yeah, it definitely is.

[1973] It's not like in the movies where it's like, oh, like I picked up a tell on this guy and every time he bluffs, he twitches.

[1974] Or you know what I mean?

[1975] Like, that's a very rare thing.

[1976] It's more, it's more just like understanding the person.

[1977] It's like you figure out what kind of job this guy does.

[1978] Like how much money he makes a year, like how much this money means to him, how much he cares about the money, how much he wants to gamble, how much he's playing for fun how much he wants to win how some of these guys they just they actually want to lose they're just like self -sabotizers you know they'll go in there and like some of them i'll see them and they'll want to lose because they'll want everybody at the table to like them and that's kind of like you know the path at least versus i've seen i've seen really how do you detect that like how do you detect that a guy wants to lose he'll be you know he'll be just like wanting to be friends with everybody and he'll do shit to show off or to like you know make because i mean look at the end of the day like people want people to play bad You want a player to play like shit You want a player to give his money away You want a player to do crazy stuff So these guys will You know they'll put on a show for people They'll want to be the popular guy Maybe they weren't cool in high school Maybe they want people like them Who knows what their reason is Maybe they feel like they don't deserve the money I'll play with a lot of guys that You know some of them ended up in jail Some of them were fraud Some of these guys You know they have a bunch of money And they feel like they don't deserve it subconsciously So they just want to give it away It's just like a weird thing That's interesting And do you see a lot of guys who just lose everything I've seen it before, yeah, I've seen guys go completely broke.

[1979] It's tough because in gambling, you can just keep going up, but you can't really go down.

[1980] It's like, for instance, if you go and you play blackjack and you bet, whatever, arbitrary numbers, $500 a hand, right?

[1981] And you're playing $500 a hand, and, you know, your level of excitement when you win is at a 7 and you keep playing and whatever.

[1982] And then now you go and play you $1 ,000 a hand.

[1983] and you've been winning a little bit or you've been losing or whatever and now if you try and go back to 500 or 250 it's just like if you're losing it's just like it's a mental fuck because it's really hard to get even betting smaller and if you've been winning you don't really care about the small money right like you want to win more you know what I'm saying it's like one of those things where like once you go up it's really hard to go the other direction so a lot of the problems that professional poker players have it's called bankroll management where they keep going up and up and up, and then when they start losing, they are completely unable to drop down in stakes and then play good.

[1984] You know, like if they lost, let's say, $100 ,000 just to use round numbers at, you know, this game, then for them to go to play a game that's half that size and try and win that $100 ,000 back, it's going to take them twice as much time.

[1985] You know what I mean?

[1986] So it's kind of like one of those things where, you know, and the games have gotten bigger and bigger and bigger.

[1987] So somebody goes on a bad run, like, and poker is their profession.

[1988] It's not like, you know, that's another thing that people don't understand.

[1989] It's like, you know, people, people are like, oh, you're winning.

[1990] Like, you should take the money and run.

[1991] It's like, no, like, when you play poker for a living, like, it never ends.

[1992] Like, it's like, yeah, there may be session to session, but like you're always going to be playing poker.

[1993] So it's like if that's a good spot, you should just play until the game's over.

[1994] Like, even if you won, it's not like Blackjack where you should just lock up a win.

[1995] like in poker you just stay there and in fact the more you're winning the more other people are losing and the more other people are losing the worst they're going to play so it's kind of like one of those things where you just you know it's just one long session it never ends you know how pissed do people get when they lose fuck tons of money have you ever had issues with that or people get violent or people get angry definitely angry and it's funny because and I'm a victim of this too like I've found sometimes I've gotten far more angry at losing $20 ,000 than I have at losing $500 ,000, as strange as that may sound.

[1996] Just because, you know, of the way I lost it, or if I played shitty, or if I lost it to a guy I didn't like, or it was just like I lost, lost, lost, and just like a steady progression of losses, or if I was up a ton of money and then, like, let's say I was up a million dollars and ended up losing $20 ,000.

[1997] Like, I'd be fucking miserable, even though I only lost $20 ,000.

[1998] but let's say I was down a million dollars and I ended up losing 20 ,000.

[1999] I'd be ecstatic.

[2000] Now look at the end result.

[2001] One night, I won 20 grand and I was miserable.

[2002] And the other night I lost 20 grand and I was happy, right?

[2003] Because I started off up a million and then lost, it ended up being a $20 ,000 winner.

[2004] Like that seems like a million dollar lost to me because at one point in that game I was up a million bucks, right?

[2005] So mentally, you know, I kind of like in my mind, I've lost.

[2006] a million dollars and then in the other game I was down a million and then ended up only losing 20 ,000 so I almost broke even so I'm like ecstatic you know what I'm saying so there's also something you were just talking about that I think is really interesting because it kind of parallels martial arts and fighting in a lot of ways is that you don't want to lose to someone that you hate yeah yeah and that's a big factor in fighting that's why Connor McGregor does so well is that he fucks with your head so bad that the amount of pressure that's on you is so exacerbated when you actually get into the cage with them Like even guys like Jose Aldo who's this seasoned world champion who never lost in the UFC And hey Connor just mind fucked him and he can punch I mean it's it's both things He's got skill and he's really good at handling pressure and he's the mind fuck master But you see it with guys when guys get in these emotional situations with fighters and then you see when they fight with someone who respects them and they shake hands the way ins and they could fight up to their full potential That is a big factor, I guess, in poker as well.

[2007] Yeah, definitely.

[2008] I mean, I've seen tons of times when somebody really hates another player and, in fact, like, has just played far worse against that guy and given that guy so much money because they, they, like, kept going after him.

[2009] You know, they really wanted to bluff him.

[2010] They're like, fuck this motherfucker.

[2011] I'm not going to let this guy bluff me. And then they ended up just, like, paying him off and paying him off and paying him off.

[2012] I actually found that in poker because there was times when I would befriend really bad players and then that player would not play hard against me, you know, because of that.

[2013] And it actually ended up like cost me a bunch of money.

[2014] And then there was other times when I would just like talk shit to a bad player and they would really come after me. And then I ended up just smoking them.

[2015] You know, so it's kind of like it's tough because usually the bad players are the coolest guys because they're just like the rich guys that are having fun and they got a good attitude and this and that.

[2016] But sometimes, you know, like you got to fuck with them a little bit, you know, because otherwise you're not going to be able to gamble with them, really, you know?

[2017] So you want that like, you want that kind of like, optimally you want that competitive but semi -friendly relationship.

[2018] Because you don't want them to just totally hate you because then they'd be like, fuck this motherfucker.

[2019] I'm not playing if he's there.

[2020] And then you're kind of like out of the game because he's the big sucker and, you know, he can call the shots.

[2021] Well, it just seems like such a psychological management thing with poker players.

[2022] a lot, man. It seems on the service, like an easy thing to do.

[2023] No, it doesn't.

[2024] But I feel like for a lot of people, they look at it and they're just like, oh, he gambles for a living, like, he got lucky, or he's just, like, good with numbers.

[2025] You know, they've got to break it down so simplistically that they don't realize, like, how difficult it is.

[2026] But isn't that the case with everything?

[2027] I mean, I've heard people say that about NASCAR.

[2028] Like, oh, they just turn left.

[2029] Like, you know, the fuck out of here, man. Well, NASCAR, I would, I think that the closest comparison is with the stock bar like stockbrokers stock market stuff you know because they're really gambling i mean yeah at the end of the day that that is kind of gambling and you know and they're going to have losses the thing the the the parallel there is that you can go into work you can fucking do a good job bust your ass to everything right and then just get fucked because of bad luck that can't happen to a doctor really right you know what i'm saying like that can't happen with most professions like even in fighting like even the loser gets paid right you don't go into a fight and lose money if you lose, right?

[2030] Like, poker and the stock market are some of the few things that, like, it's kind of hard to really have that good bankroll management because you can go in, do everything right, bust your ass, and work for an entire month and lose money.

[2031] But that is where the thrill lies to the common man. The average person that plays it safe and takes it easy and gets his 401k and doesn't do anything risky, that's where the thrill lies in that lifestyle.

[2032] Like talking to you and hearing you talk about this, shit that's where people that they're getting their palms are sweaty right now and they're driving to work and they're listening to this and thinking could I do that could I do that could I do that most people can't most people cannot it's I mean it's it's it's one of the hardest things I've done and I've done a lot of hard things just because for me doing doing physically hard things actually isn't like as challenging as mentally tough things if that makes any sense Because the physically stuff, the physically tough stuff, you just kind of like, just fucking bite your tongue and grit and fucking take the pain and just power through.

[2033] Well, that's got to be one of the benefits of going through buds twice.

[2034] Yeah, I mean, it puts it in perspective.

[2035] Yeah, I mean, just you know you've been through way more of a hellacious physical test than most people could ever endure.

[2036] Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of it comes down, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, like, you know, you must be a super tough motherfucker and all.

[2037] all this other shit and I think it comes down more to just like how bad you want it like in life like if you just want something so fucking bad like I just remembered like when I was doing the 50 meter underwater swim was really hard for me I'd never been able to do it um outside of you know seal training and the only two times I did it was when I like had to do it and I just remember I was just like well I'm just going to swim until I fucking reach the wall or black out like there just wasn't another option like I was just like I just wasn't going to quit just because I wanted it so bad and so that actually helps you i remember there's one guy that that went into buds and he was um he had like a million dollar business i think it was i think it was the guy that like owned van dutch or something maybe or had some like affiliation with it and i just remember he went into buds after that i just remember he showed up and he had like a hot chick or two hot chicks and he had a sports car and everybody's just like fuck this dude's a stud you know what i mean like it was like and then he like showed up with buds and ended up like quitting like straight away and i was just like But it didn't surprise me because I'm, like, thinking, you know, if, you know, if I don't make it, I'm going to a ship and I'm going to be fucking miserable.

[2038] Like, I don't want that.

[2039] Like, this guy's thinking, like, if I quit, I can go, like, fuck a bunch of girls and, like, drive nice cars and I got money.

[2040] Like, you know what I'm saying.

[2041] So, like, for him, it was, like, I actually think it's harder, you know, like, because you look at, like, you know, what your alternatives are.

[2042] You know, like, you know, if you put a fucking guy up against the wall and he's got no choice.

[2043] then he's just going to, like, do what he's got to do.

[2044] Like, for instance, if I told you you had to go crawl, you know, 50 miles or I'm going to fucking put a bullet in your head, like, you're probably going to go crawl that 50 miles.

[2045] But if I told you, hey, like, I'm going to give you $500 ,000, you know, if you can go crawl these 50 miles, but, you know, you got money and you don't really need it.

[2046] You're probably not going to crawl 50 miles.

[2047] You know what I'm saying?

[2048] Right.

[2049] It's kind of like one of those things.

[2050] It's just like the alternative is what determines the difficulty.

[2051] Well, that's that's a great scene.

[2052] an officer and a gentleman.

[2053] Remember Richard Gear?

[2054] Yeah.

[2055] Where he's he, I got nowhere else to go.

[2056] Yeah.

[2057] Remember that?

[2058] Yeah, I do remember that.

[2059] That's exactly it.

[2060] I got nowhere else to go.

[2061] Yeah.

[2062] That's one of the thing I tell people when they're thinking about fighting.

[2063] I say, is it all you want to do?

[2064] Is it your whole life?

[2065] Does it absorb you?

[2066] Do you want that more than anything that you can imagine?

[2067] It's not like, well, fighting doesn't work out.

[2068] I'm going to be an author.

[2069] Because if that's the case and you want to do it for the experience, that's cool.

[2070] But if you actually think you're going to be a champion, if you have all these their escape routes and it's not going to happen that's why i actually think it's harder for guys like connor mcgregor or guys like mayweather because now they have money and they have that lifestyle and it's like that i actually thought ronda was going to get fucked up just because she like she you know she was going to hollywood i mean don't even wrong she's tough she's fucking great whatever but you know she was like he's doing the movies and she's doing this and it's like i just i know that lifestyle and i know the addictiveness of the money and the fame and all that other stuff and now it's like these people that have been fucking you know living in a one bedroom apartment are now introduced to all this money and all this fame and people.

[2071] And it's just, it's so distracting as opposed to the guy that's like, you know, fucking waking up every day and going to the gym and fucking busting his ass and just trying to make ends meat.

[2072] And that's all he's got.

[2073] And he's got no fucking nowhere else to go, like you said, you know.

[2074] And for that guy, I feel like it's far easier to stay the course.

[2075] For a guy like Connor now he's got all this money and this and that, you know, he's, you know, he doesn't have to fight anymore like like i mean yeah he like if he wants to continue his lifestyle he does right now he's like up his expenses in his image and all this stuff and he's used to all this stuff so now he has to like make x to maintain his current situation so he's got a little bit of pressure on him in that sense but he's not he's not struggling he's not hungry anymore you know what i mean he's got the depends on who you are though i mean everybody has a different motivation some people it's it's not even like they change the gold posts instead of becoming rich it's become the greatest of all time It's like you look at all these other guys that are nibbing at your heels and you decide, no, motherfuckers, I am the man at the top of the mountain and I'm going to stay at the top of the mountain as long as my body hangs in there.

[2076] But again, it's like that has to be something that you want to do.

[2077] And you could see the shift.

[2078] I see the shift in guys where they all of a sudden they do it for money and they start doing it for a living.

[2079] You see that shift and it's an ugly shift because they just don't have the same tenacity.

[2080] I feel like I see it a lot in like NFL and stuff like that.

[2081] I'm sure.

[2082] I mean, you probably get tired of getting your fucking bell rang.

[2083] too man he get tired of bang bang clashing heads with people and running into each other after a while that shit gets tired yeah I remember there's a big basketball player um and he would play poker and it was funny because he would go on these benders and he'd play for like 24 hours straight or sometimes I just remember we just always bet against him and he was like a big big like basketball player like he was like the star on the team or whatever and so we would just like always bet again like whatever team he was playing if he had been playing poker for 24 48 hours I would just bet against the other team.

[2084] We're right, like, almost every time.

[2085] Like, he just, like, always played, like, shit.

[2086] Oh, exhausted.

[2087] Yeah.

[2088] Fuck, yeah.

[2089] It's, like, mentally exhausting.

[2090] He's not sleeping.

[2091] You don't eat.

[2092] It's just, like, it's just hard on your body.

[2093] You secrete the cortisone or whatever.

[2094] Cortisol levels, like, got to go up.

[2095] I mean, it's just like, yeah, it's tough.

[2096] I mean, it's...

[2097] What's that balancing act?

[2098] I think in anything in life, but especially in risky things, whether it's playing poker or fighting or anything along those lines.

[2099] Something that's really difficult to do, there's this weird balancing act And you have to achieve this, this perfect balance of motivation, reward, intensity, focus, discipline, but still pleasure.

[2100] You can't be miserable forever.

[2101] Like, there's got to be a time where you have fun, too.

[2102] It's hard.

[2103] I mean, like I said, I think it just comes down to like, you just got to want it, you know?

[2104] You just got to fucking just want it really bad.

[2105] Well, there was some study recently that I was reading about where they were talking about how you can't be happy all the time.

[2106] and you don't want to be happy all the time.

[2107] Like, literally you won't achieve the same levels of happiness all the time if you're not miserable.

[2108] Like, you don't ever hit those highs unless you hit those lows.

[2109] Like, you ever been around someone who's manic?

[2110] You ever date a chick who's manic?

[2111] I know exactly what you're talking about.

[2112] The sweet is never a sweet without the bitter.

[2113] And it's like, and I've found that.

[2114] I actually have an interesting outlook on that because I have bought pleasure for so long.

[2115] I can't buy happiness.

[2116] You can buy pleasure, though.

[2117] A lot of people say, like, oh, money isn't happiness.

[2118] Well, money can buy a boat, and a boat will make me fucking happy, that kind of thing.

[2119] Right?

[2120] So an example I like to give is, you know, when I was 16, like my dream car was a Mustang cobra, right?

[2121] So if I got a Mustang cobra, I would have been at a 10, right?

[2122] But, you know, a Ferrari would also bring me to a 10.

[2123] I mean, but you can't go higher than a 10, right?

[2124] So let's just say that I got, you know, the Ferrari when I was 16.

[2125] and now we flash forward, I graduate college, and my dad gives me a, let's say he gives me a BMW M5.

[2126] If I had the Ferrari, now I'm going to be kind of like probably at a 7, right?

[2127] Because I'm stepping down in a car.

[2128] But if I had the Mustang Cobra and now I'm going to an M5, I'm going to be back at a 10.

[2129] Well, it's the same car.

[2130] You're the same person.

[2131] You're at the same spot in life.

[2132] The only difference is your perspective because of your previous experience.

[2133] Right.

[2134] You know, so it's kind of like when, you know, people ask like why rich people aren't as happy.

[2135] And I just think it's because they've up the bar so far that only the, you know, best things satisfy them.

[2136] Like a guy off the street, if I took like when I was, when I got out of boot camp, I'll use that as an example.

[2137] I go to Outback Steakhouse.

[2138] I'm at a tent.

[2139] Right.

[2140] Now if I go to the best restaurant in the fucking world, I mean, I'm like, maybe like a six or a seven.

[2141] I'm just like satisfied.

[2142] I got three chefs.

[2143] Like I eat the best food all the time.

[2144] You know what I mean?

[2145] So like that doesn't make me happy anymore.

[2146] Like if somebody bought me a Lamborghini, I'd be like, whatever.

[2147] Like, I've had them.

[2148] I don't care.

[2149] Like, but if you get, you know, give it a guy out the street, he'd be at a tent.

[2150] So I can't buy happiness anymore.

[2151] You know what I mean?

[2152] I bought every fucking thing that I ever wanted, right?

[2153] There's not really anything that I want.

[2154] So I can't buy any, like, pleasure.

[2155] And also, if you gave me, like, a regular car or put me in a regular hotel, I would actually be at, like, below the normal level, whereas a normal person would be, like, happy to be on a vacation.

[2156] You know what I'm saying?

[2157] So, like, I think that has, like, some correlation.

[2158] Like, it's kind of like a guy that wins a loto.

[2159] Like, a year later, he is, like, statistically less happy than a guy that got his leg fucking amputated a year prior.

[2160] You know?

[2161] That's interesting.

[2162] It's also, I think, what are you trying to do?

[2163] Like, there are a lot of people that are trying to get rich because they think that once they get rich, they'll be happy.

[2164] Yeah.

[2165] They think that that's going to give them this thing that they've always been missing.

[2166] And so they've been working hard, bust their ass, and they look at all these other people, like, we're talking.

[2167] about, you know, you land your private jet, you drive your Bentley to the club, and everybody's like, oh, it's Tampa, Sarian, you want to be that guy, right?

[2168] But once you're that guy, it's like, that doesn't mean anything anymore.

[2169] And then for a lot of people, there's this emptiness.

[2170] There's nothing left to chase.

[2171] There's nothing else to do.

[2172] And your life is just about possessions and upping the ante.

[2173] And now I've got to get a yacht.

[2174] And now I have to get the biggest yacht.

[2175] Now I've got to buy an island.

[2176] You know, and trying to find something to fill that void because you've sort of set your life up to chase these material goals instead of to try to find out what actually does make you happy yeah you have to have goals and you have to have stuff that like you know you got to be climbing the mountain because at the end of the day like climbing the mountain is far more satisfying than being at the top of the mountain you know isn't that weird though that's like not what we've ever been taught well it's counterintuitive because most people don't like get that they just know that like okay like you know my dad told me like it's better to give than receive and I was like, okay, that's perfect, motherfucker.

[2177] You can just give me shit and I'll receive it and I'll be happy.

[2178] Like, you know what I'm saying?

[2179] But you don't have it.

[2180] If you don't have it, then that makes sense.

[2181] Well, yeah, exactly.

[2182] And like, you know, it's just people, I mean, it's just experience.

[2183] Like, I mean, like from the time you're a little kid, you get something, you're happy.

[2184] Like, you know, you get a boat, you're happy.

[2185] Like, if I have this bike, I'm going to be happy.

[2186] And it's true and it works.

[2187] You know what I mean?

[2188] But there's a point, you almost have to like get really rich to understand that.

[2189] You really have to just buy all that shit.

[2190] realize okay like I got it all it's cool that made me happy but it's temporary you know that's that's what that's kind of where I differentiate the the happiness and the pleasure you know you can buy the pleasure but the pleasure is somewhat short -lived you know yeah I had a conversation with someone about this recently where I was saying that material possessions once you have enough money to acquire basically everything you want they don't mean anything anymore so they don't mean anything you can enjoy them when you have them but if you lose them it's really not that big a deal you know if like if you get an escalate and some fucking meteor hits you're escalating you go out there oh just get another escalate, there's a bunch of them.

[2191] It's no big deal.

[2192] But if that was all you had and you had to save and scrape up your money to get that escalate and you kept it clean, then it got hit by a meteor, you'd be devastated.

[2193] Once you have achieved this level of success where material possessions don't mean anything anymore, then you can kind of like, say, okay, well, what do I enjoy, camaraderie, friendship, creativity, like what is it that I'm actually chasing?

[2194] Because I remember talking to this Buddhist monk.

[2195] I did this thing once where I went to all these days.

[2196] different religions, it was for this TV show, and I interviewed all these different people and asked them, like, what, you know, what is it about your religion that's the best?

[2197] Like, say, if I was going to join your religion, try to sell me your religion.

[2198] Yeah, sell me. And the Buddhist guy was saying that sex and all these material possessions, they possess you.

[2199] And that to be completely free, you have to be abstent, and you have to be free of material possessions.

[2200] I said, well, why?

[2201] I go, what if you achieve a level of success where you don't worry about those things?

[2202] anymore and they don't they don't they don't contain you they don't hold you they're not a prisoner of them because you're really not worried about them like if all you had was this one thing and that one thing was taken from you that would be devastating and that's what this is based on but what if you had unlimited resources if you were if you're richard branson or someone like you or whatever when you're it's not an issue then then those material possessions no longer possess you but this guy didn't want to look at it that way like he didn't want to think that was ever possibly an I'm like, well, it's not an option because you don't think it's possible to achieve that level of material possession or that material success.

[2203] Yeah, and that's kind of the thing.

[2204] I feel like you have to, you have to get to that place to understand it.

[2205] You know, it's kind of like.

[2206] But try telling that to anybody who's listening to this.

[2207] Like 99 .9 % of people listening to this are never going to make a fraction of the amount of money that you've earned.

[2208] Yeah, but, you know, in some ways that is a blessing because they're going to have a lifetime of being able to buy that.

[2209] pleasure too because of that you know because if you start here on this lower rung then all those little purchases and stuff like that you're still like you're enjoying the shit out of it right exactly you know so their baseline is just lower right they get a new fishing rod they're fucking pumped exactly you know and when that wears off then they're gonna you know get a new reel and you know when that wears off they're gonna you know buy a new depth finder what you know what you're saying it's like it's the little ship that little shit if it makes them happy then that's then that's okay but but to the people listen to this right now they're they're thinking okay okay okay okay Okay, well, you're equating material possessions and the acquisition of these material possessions as being the thing that makes people happy.

[2210] Now, is this because you've got 15 bitches and you're flying around on, you know, private jets and yachts and you're lacking, like, real depth to you.

[2211] You're a smart guy.

[2212] You're not a dumb guy.

[2213] So I don't think that that's the case.

[2214] I think you're having a lot of fun and you're, you know, you're doing a lot of wild crazy shit.

[2215] But I don't think you're lacking in depth.

[2216] Yeah, no, I am just trying to fully experience.

[2217] everything that I wanted to experience.

[2218] And there's also a part of me that's, you know, kind of doing some wish fulfillment, some part of me that's overcompensating for lack of things, you know, that I had, you know, childhood wise or when I was growing up or that I wanted or whatever it was.

[2219] Basically just like kind of like whatever I wanted when I was younger or whatever I placed emphasis on, I kind of like just over -exaggerated and beat it into the fucking dirt.

[2220] So then now I can move on and do something else.

[2221] Like, My life, you know, I have, I have ADD, so for me, it's like hyper focus.

[2222] Is that even real?

[2223] Is that real?

[2224] I think it is.

[2225] I think a lot of successful people have it.

[2226] And I think what it allows you to do is when you are focused on something and when you have that, like, pinpoint focus, you can be extremely successful.

[2227] But when you don't, you're just scattered all over the fucking map and you can't, you know, accomplish anything.

[2228] I mean, you're just like, and I think a lot of kids have it nowadays because of the stimulus.

[2229] I think you have so much stimulus at your fingertips.

[2230] nowadays that these kids, if they're not, I guess what I'm trying to say is that people are just overstimulated.

[2231] And because they have it at their fingertips all the time, like, when I was a kid, like, we used to just like have to entertain ourselves.

[2232] You said it was just like go out and play, you know, and just like figure out shit to do.

[2233] And so we didn't need massive amounts of stimulus.

[2234] Nowadays, if kids don't have a fucking video game and a movie playing at the same time, they're bored and three other friends to talk to.

[2235] You know, so it's - Well, they're hanging out and they're constantly checking their phone.

[2236] They're not even looking at each other no yeah and i'm victim of it too you know it's like it's like it's crazy you'll you'll be in a social setting and there'll be five six people at a table and they'll all be on their phones and it's just like it's kind of sad that that we've been reduced to that level of interaction where it's just like electronic like it's just all electronic and people you know like i mean when people call people nowadays just like wait what the fuck like why are you calling me like back when we were kids like there wasn't even texting you know it's like flip phones like now it's like if somebody calls you it's like wait what the fuck I get you know I have one friend Joey Diaz we never text each other ever he might have text me once I was like what the fuck is going on all we do is call he goes I don't like to text he goes I like the call I want to hear your voice I'm insecure I want to know you love me like he wants to talk to you on the phone I think that's yeah we're we're definitely missing something we're definitely missing something by all this electronic shit but it's it's also like a new style of living And I'm sure humans will adjust eventually.

[2237] We'll figure out how to manage it or change accordingly.

[2238] The one positive thing, I think, is just that you, you're so connected.

[2239] You know, everybody, I feel like everybody's more connected now.

[2240] Like back, you know, when we were kids, like, you know, a guy in Idaho is never going to fucking, you know, feel any connection whatsoever with somebody that's, you know, in California.

[2241] But now, like, that guy can upload a YouTube video and everybody around the world can see it.

[2242] and people are just, you know, dating -wise, social media -wise, like, whatever, they're just, there is more connection.

[2243] I mean, I feel like it's not quite as real and it's not as tangible, but, and people, I think, are also losing, losing their ability to kind of, like, interact.

[2244] Like, my older friends, like, we'll sit around, we'll tell stories and it's, like, we'll have fun, and it's, like, the younger generation, when you watch them interact, it's almost, like, comical.

[2245] It's, like, these people, like, socially awkward, like, they don't, Like, people don't know how to, like, approach girls anymore.

[2246] It's just, like, and the whole thing's been, like, reduced to, like, online dating.

[2247] It's just, you know, it's a new world for sure.

[2248] I mean, I don't know.

[2249] It is a new world, but what I found really fascinating is that, because I travel a lot doing stand -up, is that there's no dumb places anymore.

[2250] Like, you can go to, you know, fill in the blank, some place in the middle of the Midwest, Boise, Idaho, or whatever.

[2251] And you'll do a show there, and the fucking people are on the ball.

[2252] they know what the fuck's going on they're so much more informed when I used to travel on the road in the 90s when I used to do stand -up in the 90s and you know fly into Ohio or sorry Jamie flying to some place in the middle of the country this fucking people were apes I mean they didn't know anything they were like what's it like to be on an airplane I mean they fucking didn't know anything no one but now it's like you run into the same kind of people in L .A. that you can run into in you know fill in the blank you know Phoenix or whatever the fuck it is there's no dumb cities anymore.

[2253] You're still going to find some dumb people, but I think overall, the awareness level of people has changed.

[2254] And I think that's, you know, a lot due to the internet.

[2255] 100%.

[2256] I mean, when I was a kid, if I wanted to know something, my mom's like, okay, look it up in the Encyclopedia of Britannica.

[2257] And I'm like, fuck that.

[2258] You know, like, I'm not going to do that.

[2259] And we literally would have, like, hundreds of encyclopedias around the thing.

[2260] And like, and, you know, we thought that was great.

[2261] But now it's like, you want to know something?

[2262] You Google it, and you just instantly know it.

[2263] You don't even have to press it.

[2264] You just talk into your phone.

[2265] You don't have to type...

[2266] Yeah, you just ask Siri.

[2267] It's like so great.

[2268] Yeah, Google Cold Fusion.

[2269] Blip!

[2270] Just shows you instantaneously.

[2271] I mean, it's so freaky that they didn't even think about it in Star Trek or Star Wars.

[2272] None of those places had the Internet.

[2273] None of those visions of science fiction in the future had the Internet.

[2274] I think it's going to be, when history is all said and done, when people look back in this era, it's going to be one of the biggest changes in the human race ever.

[2275] And we're in the middle of it.

[2276] It's a storm and we're just caught up in it and like you were talking about when you were saying how you're so wealthy and it's just normal.

[2277] It just becomes normal to you to have all this money and someone gives you a Lamborghini.

[2278] It's normal.

[2279] Well, this wealth of information is normal to us.

[2280] It just seems normal.

[2281] You know, and, you know, my kids are young.

[2282] They're growing up with the internet their whole life.

[2283] They've never experienced anything but the internet.

[2284] So it's to them, they're not going to know how weird it was to run into bullshit artists.

[2285] You know, people just lied about stuff.

[2286] Like you couldn't Google them.

[2287] And now you can just like, if you want to know about somebody, you fucking Google them.

[2288] And it's like, okay, this guy's a scam artist, this, you know, this chick's a hooker.

[2289] It's just like, you just got their life story.

[2290] It's like, bam, like Wikipedia.

[2291] I mean, what else?

[2292] Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

[2293] Before we did the podcast, we started talking about psychedelics.

[2294] And you started talking about some psychedelic experiences that you had.

[2295] And I said, like, save it.

[2296] Save it.

[2297] Because I wanted to talk to you about it on the air.

[2298] So tell me what has happened.

[2299] I mean, you actually, the one that turned me onto it, the DMT, And I was, the first time I tried, I was at Burning Man, and I smoked a small amount of it.

[2300] And it was interesting.

[2301] I mean, it was, I felt like it was a pretty enlightening experience.

[2302] I tried it a second time.

[2303] We had this.

[2304] We say a small amount, like how many hits?

[2305] Just one.

[2306] Just one.

[2307] So I was, you know, it wasn't like deep in it or anything.

[2308] She just got to the doorway, took a look inside.

[2309] Yeah.

[2310] And I just, I don't know, I felt like a little bit of sense of peace and clarity, you know.

[2311] But that was all I really got from it.

[2312] The second time I did not have a good experience.

[2313] I had this shaman monk come over and he or priest or whatever you call him.

[2314] And I don't know if we did too much, but I just didn't really get too much out of it.

[2315] I actually got more out of it after.

[2316] But during the experience, it was like, it was just too much.

[2317] I didn't really get anything.

[2318] Like, it was just almost like.

[2319] Overwhelming?

[2320] Yeah, yeah.

[2321] It was just overwhelming where like, yeah, it was almost like a, almost like a video.

[2322] game kind of is the best way I'd describe it where I just like kind of almost seemed like everything was kind of like separating apart.

[2323] But I didn't really get too much.

[2324] And then the third time I had a similar experience.

[2325] But that was that was just the smoking.

[2326] I haven't done ayahuasca or anything like that.

[2327] I did mushrooms three times.

[2328] It's funny.

[2329] I had I had a couple.

[2330] so the first time I did mushrooms I think I was in high school and I just never forget because it was like 1 .30 in the morning or whatever and I just wanted to call all my friends and tell them how great it was and have conversation I remember them picking up the phone like dude it's 1 .30 fuck off but I was just like I wanted to talk to everybody I was like I was having a good time and then I did it in Amsterdam, got sick and it was funny because I actually did it four times the third time I did it we were in Amsterdam and we were walking down this long alleyway and we were probably about 75 yards down the alleyway and a buddy of mine was like oh give me a second and we kept walking and we turned around about five seconds later 10 seconds later and he was gone and it was probably like a 200 yard alleyways I mean this guy was fucking ben Johnson he couldn't have made it was like a long long alleyway like there's if he was in a dead sprint he was a fast guy in the world he could couldn't have made at the end and there was no like no ladders no nothing we're just like what the fuck happened in this dude we're just like and nobody and we haven't even really like started tripping but we're like we like thought this dude got abducted by aliens there was like no explanation right we like turn around and we're just like we all look at each other like what the fuck happened and we knew these mushrooms are going to hit soon so we're just like but we didn't feel it were like the mushrooms ain't hit we just ate it like you know five whatever, you know, and it hadn't hit, walked around the corner and there was a police station we're like, oh, shit, like, I guess we should ask them.

[2331] And like, we went in there and we're like, you know, we don't know what happened to our friend.

[2332] Like, we don't know if he got abducted or whatever.

[2333] And we're like, he looks like this.

[2334] And so there's this long alleyway, right?

[2335] And this motherfucker chose the one spot to piss where apparently there was like a secret door that opened inward into the police station.

[2336] And there was a camera facing down on it.

[2337] And he was pissing on the door of the police station they grabbed him mid -piss his dick still out, yanked him into the fucking police station and threw him in jail and so we get this information we're like oh fuck like what do we got to do like we got to pay this guy like we're like this dude never done mushrooms before his first experience he's going to be in a jail in Amsterdam this guy's like going to fucking lose his mind like we got to get him out so we end up paying these people and then like I forget we got to pay him a lot because I was in college and I remember it was like a significant amount of money for us but we bailed them out and then I ended up I remember I offered like the the chick at the counter I was like I'll give you a hundred bucks if you'll mail this to his parents or the video of him pissing and getting arrested if you mailed his parents it's like get the fuck out of here so that was number three and then the fourth time I did it I was in it was that trip that I took to Porto Varda and when I took my buddy that won the or he got second in the world series of poker and I I and I never forget it because I was um I was downstairs and we had this this this big villa on the edge of a cliff and I remember not wanting to have sex and I was just like this is the greatest thing for the first time like my dick doesn't control me like like this is so you know this is so nice to just be able to like relax and not like because we had all these chicks run around I was like banging on the whole weekend I was like to just not even like have to like think about it because I have no desire to have sex right now.

[2338] I remember having that thought and being like, wow, this is great.

[2339] And I'm so fucked up that I, like, took that as a personal challenge to, like, see if I could have sex.

[2340] I'm not fucking this girl for, like, 40 minutes.

[2341] On mushrooms.

[2342] On mushrooms.

[2343] It was the craziest fucking experience ever.

[2344] I didn't even really enjoy it that much.

[2345] But I just remember at the end of it, I was like, wow, like, you had this opportunity where, like, you were not consumed with, like, wanting to have sex and you completely fucking ruined it for no reason.

[2346] That's hilarious.

[2347] Yeah.

[2348] The first time I had a mushroom trip, I was with my friend Eddie, and we were near a mountain.

[2349] It was like a very high hill.

[2350] We were below it.

[2351] And we were laying down the grass, just laughing and giggling.

[2352] And I don't know if you've ever, like, if you've ever been, like, lying down, looking up at a mountain range and you see the sky and the clouds go overhead, It was the first time, I think, in my life that I really took in the concept of an atmosphere, of the shape of the earth being round and that behind that atmosphere.

[2353] I look at it up as blue sky.

[2354] It's beautiful, but I didn't see the blue sky anymore.

[2355] I saw it.

[2356] I knew it was there, but I realized that it's just this layer.

[2357] And then beyond that is the vast infinity of space.

[2358] And I remember looking at it and thinking for the first time because of this.

[2359] hill I could see like oh my god we're like in a convertible spaceship like this whole thing is a spaceship like this is an illusion we're we're standing here like we're on ground we're laying down on the grass looking up at the sky but this is not this is not sky this is a thin layer of atmosphere that's protecting you from space and then above that is there's no end to it and it fucking stuck in my head that idea like for the very first time and And it's something about being below a mountain and lying down and looking up and seeing the mountain and seeing the air and seeing the clouds go where it just set into my mind like, whoa, that's an atmosphere.

[2360] This isn't just the sky.

[2361] This is a, this is like, so I, from that moment on, I can look up at a mountain now and I get this like weird, almost like half trippy feeling.

[2362] That's, that's one thing that I've heard actually about a lot of psychedelics is that it, it not like, it doesn't like rewire you, but it just makes you.

[2363] you think about certain things differently, and I think that they explained that there's like some chemical thing where it kind of like almost like resets you to like where you can have a new perspective on certain things.

[2364] That's one of the things that I rigged.

[2365] I was considering doing acid at Burning Man this last year because I've heard from a lot of people that it's like it's a more like clean form of the mushrooms and they kind of like got more out of it.

[2366] And I had like 10 people tell me that it was like the best experience of their life.

[2367] And so that's like a pretty strong statement to have ten people tell you that so yeah i did it uh this year for the first time it's a i don't know i wouldn't say it's like a it's it's powerful i mean they're all amazing they all have their own little thing that goes on with them but the um the changing of perspective is really beneficial to people that have addictions like apparently people that smoke cigarettes like they'll have a powerful mushroom trip and they don't have any desire to smoke cigarettes anymore it's a really common experience drug addicts and you know even people that probably have other weird addictions like gambling addictions or sex addictions like yeah i like i said i think i had a small experience like that with the sex thing on the mushrooms and it was like pretty liberating yeah i mean i think for a lot of people they get trapped in the momentum of the life that they're in whatever it is and sometimes psychedelic trips or you know sometimes for people it's just a near -death experience you almost drown you don't drown you get out of there and you're like holy shit i got to rethink my whole life and he just changes who you are like the reset yeah i mean i and i've preached this for a long time i think just so much of your life is just perspective i mean it really is and i i you know a lot of times i have these um these crazy parties i'll invite disabled veterans out or whatever and trying to show them a good time and it's one time i uh had this one guy who got both his legs blown off in afghanistan and super cool dude like really humble nice guy and um there was this like super hot chick that was at the at the party and I really wanted to fuck her but I was like I'll see if I can get her to fuck him and uh I paid her a fucking ton of money which is kind of fucked up she ended up fucking this guy and uh and I was I was fucked up and I ended up passing out and I forgot about it and the next day we're we're sitting there at breakfast and um I was just like I was so fucking miserable and I look over at this dude and I'm just like you know like what the fuck are you so happy he's like smiling and eat this shit and it's like I'm hung over I'm like what the fuck are you?

[2368] you so happy about you know he's like he's like shit man he's like I feel great I'm like you're not hungover he's like yeah he's like I don't give a shit though and uh and I'm just like dude I got you got you got the fucking best attitude I was like since you've been here I was like you always been fucking positive I was like you know is that ever like you know do you ever have you know moments where you're just like fucking depressed about you know the fucking amputation or any of that stuff I was like does that fuck with you I was like how do you like how do you maintain such a good attitude I think it's amazing and he's like what are you talking about he's like losing my leg is the best thing that ever happened to me and i'll just never forget it because that statement was just like so like different from what i ever expected this guy to say right and he followed it up with you know if that never happened to me he's like i'd be over in fucking some sand pit in afghanistan i'd just be another number nobody'd give a shit about me he goes and then when i came home he's like i'd just be you know a fucking military guy and everybody in my town wouldn't care and he's like now he's like i go and i motivate people and I give these speeches.

[2369] He goes, and people look up to me, and I'm inspiring people.

[2370] He's like, and I get to do cool shit.

[2371] I just got a fucking brand new rifle the other week for free.

[2372] He goes, the military is paying me. He goes, I'm fucking partying here with you.

[2373] I fucked a super hot chick last night.

[2374] And then I remember it.

[2375] I was like, oh, that's good.

[2376] And it was just, like, funny, though, because, like, his whole thought process about it was so great.

[2377] And I could just see how another guy, if that happened to him, could easily, like, get into like the woe is me and the whole like you know fuck this you know I'm depressed and you know think about all the time like how good this had gone you know but this guy just like accepted it fucking charged with it and I was just like he viewed it as like a huge positive and I thought that was great I don't know if you ever seen um they got this YouTube thing it's like the story of the Chinese farmer you ever seen that no or so he loses his horse and everybody in the town comes over and they say oh well that's that's terrible and he's like um and they're like oh well that's terrible now isn't it and he's like maybe and then the next day seven wild horses come back and they all come over and they say oh well that's great and he says well maybe and the next day his kid is taking out one of the wild horses and breaks his leg and the whole town comes over and they say oh that's terrible now isn't it he says maybe and the next day the conscription officers come over and they're you know taking people into the military to go fight and they pass by his son because he's got a broken leg and the whole town comes over and they say you know and they say oh that's great now isn't it he says maybe and the point of it is that you you never really know if something is bad or good because you don't know how that's going to affect the rest of your life like back you know when i you know fuck i'm two days before graduating steel train i've done 510 days of it i've put my fucking heart and soul into this fucking thing and i get kicked out because some fucking guy doesn't like me and And, you know, it's kind of hard to look at that in any way other than, oh, well, that's fucking terrible.

[2378] But as I'm older and I've experienced a lot, I can look at that and be like, well, half my class died, right, in combat.

[2379] So I could have fucking died.

[2380] If I would have became a Navy SEAL, then that might have just been like what I hung my hat on, you know?

[2381] And I was just like for the rest of my life, I didn't feel like I really needed to fucking prove anything or excel or do anything because I've done this thing that everybody views is great.

[2382] and you know i don't know if i would have been as motivated and so there's just like a lot of things like that in your life that in the short term you look at them as being extreme negatives or you know something that you even view as positive that you know it's just hard to say until you know it's kind of like run its course and you see what effects that has later on down the line we're going to end it with some deep shit damn bolzarian i knew i'd get some deep shit out of you i knew it was in there god damn it thank you very much man i really appreciate it.

[2383] That was a lot of fun.

[2384] Really appreciate it.

[2385] Obviously, Instagram, Dan, Twitter, the same, right?

[2386] Thanks, brother.

[2387] That was fun.

[2388] Good times.

[2389] Good night, everybody.

[2390] Oh, we'll be back tomorrow with Jesse Ventura.

[2391] Holy shit.

[2392] Cool.

[2393] That was great.