JRE MMA Show #63 with Jorge Masvidal

[0] three two one and we're live we're live what's up brother what's up dude how are you very good we got you in here finally man how many times we have to talk about this several right a lot this was the universe wanted it right the universe made it happen after the till victory that was that was that was that was uh for a lot of people a big coming out party for you was it yeah yeah you're already out but that was like holy shit the way you put him out it was a whole that was a holy shit moment i was going for that moment that's what i was trying to do yeah i knew a decision wasn't going to come my way that way you know not to say nothing about uh the english but i i don't like the judging over there i've seen a lot of decisions go like yeah i don't like decisions in almost every state yeah you know i mean there's decisions in almost every athletic commission that you just shake your head out you don't understand what's the worst when you can think of i don't know i don't know i don't know I'd have to sit back and go over the archives, but I've seen some horrible ones.

[1] Even ones where guys win, they barely win.

[2] You're like, how the fuck was that close?

[3] Like 29, 28.

[4] Yeah, that kind of shit.

[5] And you're like, what round?

[6] Yeah, there's a lot of those.

[7] It's getting better, though, because more fighters every day are joining that force, you know, or I'll see or I hear about fighters that used to fight that are involved in the commissions, at least like in Florida and stuff.

[8] So I know 10 years from now there's going to be nothing but productive people and the people that know what they're looking at, you know?

[9] We can only hope.

[10] I mean, that's the number one problem.

[11] I think the scoring system sucks too.

[12] Like adopting the 10 -9, even the new improved scoring system.

[13] It's like MMA is so much different than boxing.

[14] And to adopt this scoring system just because it already existed for boxing, you know, that's like adopting the rules of tennis for ping pong.

[15] Like, they're different things.

[16] It's a mafia.

[17] Is that what is?

[18] The boxing thing?

[19] Yeah.

[20] Why is the boxing commission governing the MMA commission?

[21] Shouldn't we have our own thing?

[22] I think in some places they just didn't have the infrastructure, you know?

[23] Nowadays we could do it Nowadays for sure Yeah In most places But yeah It's um I mean Time to change I mean You've been around For a long time My friend I remember the first time I ever saw you fight It was a backyard Bare Knuckle fight In the Kimbo Slice days That was the first time I heard about you And then I saw you fight Eve Edwards and Bodog Remember bow dog fight Yeah It was a golden ages The golden ages man It was a while ago Damn it's crazy Like bododog fight Was a fun organization Canes the last guys fought there Chale Sondon fought there Eddie Albridge That's right Yeah Fedor Fadour had a fight over there Fredor had a fight over there Brad Pickett as well Yeah Mike Brown Yeah what happened with them They went under Because of the The whole gambling Rules online changed Right Not from what I heard From what I heard Was the spending budget This is what I What I heard Calvinaire There was the owner Borgh right He put up this huge budget And these are just rumors From what I heard from the people working, you know.

[24] It was like $100 million for X, Y, Z, amount of years to get them publicity so people would see the fights and then go to the casino.

[25] And that $100 million got blown out, like, in two, three years is what I heard.

[26] And I wouldn't disagree because they used to pay me really good and give us super perks.

[27] They used to give us some super perks, you know?

[28] Take us to exotic locations to fight, be there for two weeks.

[29] You plus two, they'd fly out, take care of you.

[30] They really, really took very good care of you.

[31] So when I heard that they blew out $100 million in three years.

[32] I was like, yeah, it could be, you know.

[33] Well, they were fighting on the beach with hot girls and bikinis, wandered around dancing.

[34] But you were on the beach, like in the sun.

[35] I was like, what the, who the fucking ideas is to fight in the sun?

[36] But let me tell you, the training sessions that went on there were some of the best that I've seen in the world because they, so you would go and you'd bring two of your corner, man, and then somebody found that.

[37] And then before you know, you had like four people of your entourage going with you from whatever team that was.

[38] And everybody was doing that.

[39] And we'd have a training place.

[40] And what they had done was laid out tarps and mats.

[41] And it was huge.

[42] So we'd have like 100 pros, 50 pros from all over the world just training, you know.

[43] And when you don't know each other and it's like, hey, you want to roll, you know, it gets competitive, you know.

[44] Yeah.

[45] So there was some great training sessions that I saw and that I took a part of, you know.

[46] Wow.

[47] Yeah, it was fun, man, good fucking times.

[48] Look, the world needs more of those.

[49] They need more one -fc's.

[50] We need more bellator's.

[51] We need more, you know, competition.

[52] Whatever the professional fight league is called now.

[53] What do they call themselves now?

[54] Professional fighters.

[55] Is that what it is?

[56] It's PFL.

[57] It used to be World Series of fighting.

[58] That's right.

[59] Yeah, we need more.

[60] We need more of them.

[61] Oh, so PFL is World Series of fighting?

[62] It used to be World Series, now it's PFL.

[63] Okay.

[64] Yeah, I think pretty sure most of the same organization.

[65] Okay.

[66] We need more, you know?

[67] Need more money.

[68] Yeah, that Oscar Delahoya thing, you know, that's probably never going to happen again after the Tito and Chuck fight.

[69] It doesn't look like, but someone of that ilk, someone like a gold, Golden Boy promotions, they started getting involved in MMA and putting it together they could get some guys that aren't signed but are a super high level with a big name.

[70] Like maybe the contract comes up and they decide to do something with a big name promoter.

[71] You know, it'd be good for everybody.

[72] Golden Boy tried many years ago, didn't it?

[73] Affliction was an Oscar part of that?

[74] I remember Oscar, Donald Trump.

[75] Oh, that's right.

[76] Donald Trump was a part of affliction.

[77] That's right.

[78] Josh Barnett sunk that ship.

[79] Josh Bryant tested positive and that ship sunk, remember?

[80] Yeah.

[81] Yeah, and then the UFC bought it like right afterwards.

[82] Yeah.

[83] They had some fun fights though.

[84] That fucking Tim Sylvia Fadar fight was wild as shit.

[85] Andra Alaski.

[86] Yeah, Aloski Fadar.

[87] Look at Donald Trump and Fadar.

[88] He would tell him it tense you.

[89] That's hilarious.

[90] Yeah.

[91] Back in the day, son.

[92] Yeah.

[93] Donald Trump and Tim Sylvia.

[94] That's hilarious.

[95] He was a totally different character.

[96] character back then.

[97] Donald Trump was like a fun guy.

[98] Like everybody liked him.

[99] He was always at the boxing fights soon.

[100] Yeah.

[101] People liked him.

[102] He'd get cheered on.

[103] Now people are so fucking mad at him.

[104] Same guy.

[105] No, they don't see him that way no way.

[106] No, they don't.

[107] They don't, man. That's why he has all security around him now.

[108] Oh yeah, he has to.

[109] Yeah.

[110] You fucked up.

[111] He became president.

[112] It's a huge mistake for anybody.

[113] You want to enjoy your life?

[114] Don't be fucking president.

[115] But, you know, he could disappear, get facial surgery or something after this.

[116] Of course.

[117] Plus, you get that booklet with all the secrets of the history?

[118] Just for that a moment.

[119] Yeah, the CFR book.

[120] Just for that alone.

[121] Who do you think gives you that book?

[122] Is it the CIA, the NSA?

[123] Who comes to you with the book?

[124] Some guy with no face, nothing.

[125] No face.

[126] Yeah, like the guy with the blotter and the mast.

[127] What is the watchman?

[128] Who is that guy?

[129] Inkblot.

[130] What's his name?

[131] Rorschach.

[132] That's right.

[133] That guy.

[134] Yeah, he comes to you.

[135] He comes to you with the book.

[136] What do you think's in that book?

[137] We all know what's in that book.

[138] Tell me, I don't know what's in that book.

[139] What's in the book?

[140] You think I'm going to say here, and what millions of people are listening and get killed?

[141] I can't say.

[142] I've seen the book, but I can't talk about it.

[143] What do you think's in the book?

[144] No, I'm joking.

[145] What do you think if you had a guess?

[146] Let's say, President Jorge, your first day in office.

[147] Mr. Mossvedal, what would you like to go over first?

[148] Is Elvis still alive?

[149] What about Tupac?

[150] Where the fuck be keeping?

[151] Where's two pocketing?

[152] Who else?

[153] What's going on with these aliens, bro?

[154] They real, what's really happening?

[155] Number one.

[156] Number one I want to know about aliens.

[157] I was hoping, this is my hope, when all these people are screaming and treats about Trump, like, no!

[158] I was hoping the moment he gets in, he's going to ask about aliens.

[159] Because Trump's into conspiracies.

[160] Like, he used to go on the Alex Jones show all the time.

[161] I know he's into conspiracies.

[162] If you were going to be the president, the first thing you'd ask is fucking aliens.

[163] What do you got?

[164] I see what's going on here with these green fellas.

[165] Yeah.

[166] What do you think is going on with them?

[167] I don't know.

[168] You live in Florida.

[169] There's plenty of aliens down there.

[170] No, we don't got, oh, yeah.

[171] We got a lot of aliens, different types of aliens.

[172] Florida's.

[173] We're talking about those aliens?

[174] No. Florida is a trip.

[175] It's one of my favorite places because it literally, like especially the whole southern Florida area, like Miami, you know, West Palm Down.

[176] It seems like you should have a passport to go there.

[177] It's just, it's so different than the rest of America.

[178] It's wild.

[179] It's great.

[180] The food is all exotic.

[181] It's like it's such a. different flavor and then the weather's crazy it's it's almost like going to another country yeah you need a little pot you go to the gas station trying to put gas at what language are you speaking nobody speaks english there people get upset i'm always at a gas station and then somebody like an american person will be in the line and fucking damn it man nobody speaks english here and then i have to like translate it oh come down man it's okay bro you know there's people speak english and spanish it's yeah and it's also the weather there it's when it gets crazy it gets so crazy.

[182] I went with Eddie Bravo once and he was doing a jiu -jitsu seminar.

[183] We had a drive from West Palm down to Miami and as we're driving, this storm hit, it was so hard you had to, everyone stopped dead on the highway because you couldn't drive because you couldn't see in front of you.

[184] We were laughing.

[185] No one could see anything.

[186] It was just all a wall of water that was pounding down in the car for about 10 minutes and then it all went away.

[187] We were like, what and the fuck was that?

[188] You can't see in front of you.

[189] Didn't matter if you had windsheel wipers on you are going nowhere you couldn't drive you couldn't see sounds about right that's about right right that's why miami people florida people got that uh spastic uh behavior as well just like the weather you know we're here one moment we're gone the next you know it's all temporary yeah yeah well you know you being down there though you couldn't ask for a better training environment i mean what they've established on there i mean it was great when there was the black zillions there as well but I mean American top team down there like holy shit We are in Florida I mean black zillings was trying to do that cute thing To saying that they were giving us competition I don't whatever happened to that team Well the guy died No but before that it was long extinct Yeah well it's look Dan Lambert's a bad motherfucker It costs a lot of money to do what he did And that guy is he's one of the treasures of the sport Yeah you know and what he did was not just do it once But then build a whole new place Yeah The giant new place would do it armatories and shit, stay -at -yard facility.

[190] Tan loves it, man. He's amazing.

[191] Have you ever been to Dan's house?

[192] No, never have.

[193] Well, he's probably going to get mad at me. I'm going to put him on blast, but fuck it.

[194] Let's pick out of him real quick.

[195] He's rich, so, you know, he's got a really nice house to start with.

[196] And you go inside the house and you don't see any pictures of his kids, which he has a beautiful family.

[197] But you do see pictures, massive pictures.

[198] I'm talking about it.

[199] They won't fit in this room.

[200] They're huge pictures of his fighters, knocking people out and submitting people all over his living room.

[201] man and you'll tell you you go wow i the gym is my baby i would no way i'd get rid of this you know this that's his thing that's his baby man he loves it man yeah and dan's also tough motherfucker bro i've rolled with him back in the day when he was maybe like eight years ago he should roll with everybody if you were a world champion and i'd be like let's roll just straight jujitsu and he's pretty good man yeah he's very good he's legit yeah he's a great guy too and i remember when that place is basically just a money hole for him he just kept pumping money into it he was funding fighters some of them took advantage of them a lot of them yeah it was but he stuck with it yeah and then he started developing world champions and now it's like wow look at that place when we talk about best gyms on the planet you always have to mention a tt you have to obviously my opinion is biased but i think we stand alone in in the world i don't think nobody's just sheer numbers you know we just got another title holder you know on on my card We got four people from American top team fighting against the world, you know.

[202] I think for a while it was like Greg Jackson's and AKA they were producing a lot of people.

[203] But as of late, the last like four years, I think it's American top team.

[204] Yeah, it's also the incredible diversity of talent that you could train with, you know.

[205] That's what attracts it.

[206] You're 135er and back home you're the only 135er and maybe you're a world -class guy.

[207] You come in here, you've got like 5 -135ers and 3 of them might be in the top 10 in the UFC.

[208] What do you attribute your longevity to and your enthusiasm too?

[209] Because you've always been a guy who loves fighting.

[210] And you've always been a guy who, I mean, you've had that enthusiasm for a long time, man. You know, not a lot of things can capture my attention.

[211] You know, like I can't just watch TV, for example, you know, like a football game and sit through the whole thing.

[212] You know, not trying to disfurt, but I just don't have that attention span or basketball or baseball.

[213] fighting can just like I'm talking to you and the fight goes on and I just like almost get zoned out you know so it's always had my attention since the kid since before I knew that I could make money off of it it just attracted me you know it's that primal instinct survival whatever it is just hardwired deep into me you know and my longevity one thing I definitely attribute to is not taking steroids man you know just being natural enjoying this ride the natural form you know yeah not like pushing my body towards limits that I'm benched pressing 400 pounds with my ligaments are weak, things like that.

[214] You know, and I also think God made me for this, you know, the way that I've been fighting my whole career, you know, I have really good defense.

[215] The last fighter didn't show, but I'm also, like, built hard, man. I walked out of the two -fighter.

[216] Well, it showed, you know.

[217] Look, you got clipped with one left hand in the initial, after you dick kicked him, which was crazy.

[218] He came out.

[219] That was the first fighter ever saw with an opening, flying sidekick, dick kick.

[220] Luke Kank to the balls.

[221] sorry but then he clipped you with a perfect straight left but you survived on the ground you survived in the ground you covered up you showed great defense on the ground you got back to your feet and you kept it together you know and the combination that you hit him with you'd hit him with that combination a couple times you would did is that something you prepared for that when you were switching and then throwing that left hand is that did you prepare for it that way when I went south pond yeah yeah me and my coach he's the one that'll do like all the technique the guy that I've been with forever Paulina Nundes I think greatest striking coach ever he uh he showed me like hey let's do this you know and oh man i don't want to do new techniques come on let's just do it you know and we started doing it doing it and this was like a while ago and then for this fight and i had stopped doing it you know because a lot of techniques we work them a lot when we're initiating when he brings me a technique to the table we're going to wrap it out 1 ,000 times in a week and the next week the same thing talit feels that i got it and then it'll be like all right cool it's it's there in the toolshed when we need it we'll polish it up so for this fight he's like hey remember that technique let's let's bring it i think it'll work here and go man but he's a South Park, he's like, I'm telling you, the way he's moving, the way he's, you know, fighting with you, it's going to work.

[222] So we started doing it, and boom, money.

[223] You caught him with it a couple times before you put him away with it, right?

[224] Not with that one, with that same exact one, similar ones, but I didn't go full South Park to the Blitz.

[225] You know, I did it other different ways, you know?

[226] And I also caught him a lot with, like, overhand and left hook as he was coming in, especially in the second round.

[227] I caught him, I think, maybe twice with that combo.

[228] yeah man that's a big knockout that was a big knockout he's a he's an interesting guy because he's really too big for 170 yeah he's so fucking tall but you are a guy who doesn't cut much weight at all like how much weight do you cut for seven well by the time i get into shape shape i'm around 182 pounds 180 pounds so fight weak i get over there and i'm like eight pounds away seven pounds away you know that's so light yeah it's nice i don't cut anything at 55 if if if every Everything went right when I used to fight at 155, I got there at 174 pounds, 173 pounds, 5 % body fat.

[229] And the rest is just water, man. It would fucking kill me. So I always felt that was too big for 55, you know.

[230] I loved it because the competition was sifter, but it was just getting harder and harder.

[231] Once it took those IVs away, forget it.

[232] There was no way for me to make that weight.

[233] Yeah, and moving up has been very successful for you.

[234] I mean, you look better moving up than I think you have ever in your career.

[235] I don't think I had any stoppages at 55 with the hands, like ending somebody.

[236] I dropped numerous people, but I never cailed somebody stiff, you know?

[237] And at 70, I got a couple of them, and it's...

[238] Do you tribute that to having more power at 70, like being healthy, healthier, feeling better?

[239] Energy, confident, you know, once you run that desert to cut the weight and then you still have the fist fight, that's still in the back of your mind, like, you know, do I have 50 good right hands in me, you know?

[240] Right, right.

[241] And those doubts and stuff come in you, and also your insides take a beating.

[242] When you cut that weight, when you're cutting, like, 12 pounds and up of water, your insides take a beating.

[243] get hit in the stomach and like whoa that shit fucking hurt it doesn't hurt like this in practice you know so um it sucks man it sucks harsh water cuts suck we were talking about it outside that i think that they if they instituted hydration tests and more weight classes and just cut it out just cut out weight just cut out weight cutting all together cut it out man just figure out a way to eliminate make people fight it what they weigh at but you got to have more weight classes no definitely do i mean most of the population walks around between like 145 and 170 i think right you know most of my friends are not heavy weights or or very short dudes you know they're like right around there so i think definitely those weight classes they could definitely add more you know maybe even seven pounds and those weight classes every seven pounds a difference and then as they get bigger they could do like 10 pounds you know like 85 95 205 you know i don't think it's some people said that boxing is too watered down i think what what waters down boxing is the different organizations yes i don't think it's weight 15 belts per weight class come on yeah i don't think there's anything wrong with a 147 and 154 that doesn't bother me no no no well that 7 47 154 160 yeah and they have 168 i think that's perfect perfect yeah i don't think i mean i think look i always thought it was weird that we didn't if we're going to adopt the boxing 10 point must system why don't we adopt the weight classes like why do we have our own it's the weirdish how is lightweight 155 light weight's always in 135 we all know that welter weights 147 it's not 170 how is that way is that way alterweight like that's ridiculous there was already a welterweight like it's like calling a pound like oh well this is our pound in south dakota it's seven pounds a little heavier in south dakota yeah like what is that you know what i mean it's it's it's it's it would be better for the athletes but i get the ufc's idea that they don't want to have like all these titles they don't want to have like 12 different titles they don't want it to be watered down but it's starting to be we got a bunch of interim champions right now don't yeah yeah well listen those two that we had um this past weekend i don't see anybody could argue with those fun those are great fights those are amazing wow and uh i've been i've been training alongside dp for a while so this is everybody knows who d p is already but this i think puts him in like a special category for sure to be the guy like max man and to beat him the way beat him to stun him bad in that first round and then just every time he connected he was rocking him i mean he just he really showed his power showed the difference you know 55 and a 45er and uh he just showed how deep he can crack i've I'm working with him for a while.

[244] I've seen him lay out dude stiff in the gym a lot, you know.

[245] He's got one of the higher body counts for laying dudes out sick at -t -t, not even joking.

[246] I believe it.

[247] Yeah, yeah.

[248] He's got power.

[249] Another guy that would lay dude stiff on the constant was Hector, man. Those guys got body counts for the gym.

[250] Lombard?

[251] Yeah.

[252] I can imagine he kind of spars hard.

[253] Yeah, he spars a little hard.

[254] He's a wild man. He's also a freak athlete, too.

[255] You know, I remember when Hector was...

[256] laying people out in Bellator before he came over to the UFC I mean I think he fought his prime fights over there really that was at 85 too yeah yeah yeah 70 was a harsh cut for him brutal cut he's so thick yeah yeah you know those fucking Cuban genetics man yeah that's what he looks like thickness yeah well too is another guy yes got all neck yeah jowal is ridiculous 42 years old to lay out with any hand I can't even believe this is a real human He's like, what the fuck is this?

[257] He's such a specimen.

[258] You know, I mean.

[259] Scary dude, bro.

[260] I've been training along that guy too long where he does something.

[261] He's one of the freaker athletes.

[262] Oh, yeah.

[263] Him, Lombard.

[264] And to me, one of the best athletes I've ever seen that I've been around with, not too many people know him, but he's a wild man, like the wildest of the bun.

[265] He's the one that when he comes in the mat in the room, me, Joel, Hector, every.

[266] Whoever's there that knows him takes off the hat and goes, the guy's here.

[267] The man is here is the Lexus Villa.

[268] that guy's a freak athlete bro yeah two -time uh world champion wrestler Olympic bronze medalist but man that guy could play any sport man like handball when how long has he been over at ATT no no he's uh right now he's uh he's beating a sentence right now he's uh he's doing a little bit of jail time for for a crime that he didn't commit but he was fighting he fought in belittal he beat uh joe warren knocked him out oh no shit okay alexis villa and uh man he from pure athletic and this guy would do crazy stuff you know yeah play basketball with like a bicycle high school team just by like what the fuck what wait is he compete yet he was at 125 and 135 freak athlete though yeah some crazy stuff yeah bro freak athlete man yeah there's some freak athletes in the sport now it's interesting to see the difference between the athletes from like 93 you know in the first ufc's to now it's it's a crazy difference i still don't think that we get the same caliber of athletes as the NFL or the NHL or rather NBA.

[269] Well, in different ways, yeah.

[270] In different ways, because we get the best and fastest guys from like 170 and down.

[271] Like those 45, 35 pounds, they're growing up either wrestling or boxing or doing some of their nature.

[272] They know they're not going to play basketball or football.

[273] That's true.

[274] That's true.

[275] Yeah.

[276] That's true.

[277] Yeah.

[278] Yeah, we do have some pretty freaky lighterweight athletes.

[279] Yeah.

[280] How old do you know?

[281] How old do you know?

[282] 34.

[283] 34.

[284] How many more years you feel you?

[285] you're going to be doing this uh comfortably i'm gonna fight till i'm 38 at least four more years and then if the money is right i'll stick around you know but at 38 i've i've uh i've lived this roller coaster long enough it's time to stop just dedicate you start fighting like 20 18 pro yeah wow had a couple amateur fights went pro and and enjoyed this roller coaster is my favorite roller coaster what kind of training did you have before you went pro um just that fucking somebody that had like like maybe one or two pro fights and M .A. like advising you're like, I think you should be doing this, man. Why don't we go chop trees and shit?

[286] All right, let's go do it, you know?

[287] Did you have any fight training?

[288] Yeah, I had fight training, but it wasn't like structured, you know.

[289] What was your first original martial art?

[290] Like as a kid, my dad had sucked me like in anything, you know.

[291] Martial arts because I was a very hyperactive individual, you know.

[292] So my dad is like, man, I got to stick this guy in something, you know?

[293] so they had me like in karate um what else like that maybe some taekwondo but i didn't get like far and a lot of these things because i'd start to excel in the programs obviously because of my natural aggressiveness but then in school if i get in trouble with the grades or anything my mom be like no we got to take them out it's only going to further the damage we're not going to let him go there and be at peace we're going to take him out every time he messes up at school so i'd start doing good at a gym like two three months and then get taken out you know so that was like a recurring thing until I got to like 14 years old and I was like that's it man I need to be in the gym all day long it's the only way to do it so when did you went have you had parts in your career where you took it more seriously oh well as a kid until I got to like 13 14 I wasn't able to like mom I'm not going to school today I'm going to the gym now you know right around I got 14 I knew already more or less what I wanted to do I had already seen the UFC enough and before the UFC came out I was like I'm either going to box or I'm going to wrestle those two things are amazing the coolest things I've ever seen and then UFC comes out and blows my fucking mind I was like what the fuck is this you're getting paid for this and then I was hearing what they were getting paid at the time I was like man I could I can make a living off this I'm doing this fuck that you know and I invested everything I had ever since you know into this wow so you keep saying the resurrection is a big thing that you're putting on like social media the resurrection what is that about numerous things you know more on the personal side just cutting off a lot of bullshit out of my life like tremendous amounts of it you know um and focusing on what i got to do you know done a lot of stupid shit in my career you know just from being from having genetics and being blessed and like man i could party all night long and then park the car at the gym at 6 a .m. in the morning i'll wake up at 10 a .m. and then kick everybody's ass in the workout room and i'm not talking shit because anybody works out with me to tell you Every day that I'm in there, I'm a night, man, you know.

[294] And then I go home and sleep a couple hours and then go back to the gym at night and do stupid shit like that.

[295] You know, I did that for a while.

[296] And not that I was currently doing that, but I did that a lot.

[297] You didn't give you a chance, your body chance to really recover.

[298] You know, from that into like a million other dumb things.

[299] So I've just focused on just fighting, man, just doing this 100%.

[300] You even cut out social media.

[301] Yeah, that I've cut out a long time ago.

[302] But even more now, you know.

[303] For me, I'm not good with that.

[304] technology to start with it's i'm not the greatest with the technology gizmo and stuff man right you know you got the Elon musks of this world and you got me on the other spectrum man i just want to fight i just want to do athletic things sports you know call me up if you're gonna go for a fucking five -hour hike but if i got to send emails and shit i'm fucked so i'm talking about social media i don't know how many followers i got in there it's a lot of pressure to keep it with this stuff you know right so i could do this to talking yeah i don't ignore it i get on it my manager stays on top of him and he helps me out tremendously but uh i was in the special classes in elementary you know i had the short bus two teachers in my class eight students you know so you can't force me on this social media stuff you know it feels like i'm back in school but you obviously are a smart dude you're a smart dude i can tell that from talking to you and you're clearly smart from the way you fight you know there's no way you could fight the way you fight and be as creative as you are and not be intelligent it's just you're expressing it in a different way yeah yeah for sure for fighting you Yeah, I definitely have to be smart.

[305] There's no, unless you're just some crazy freak athlete.

[306] You know, for fighting, yeah, I, uh, I definitely got like a good, uh, sense of what's good and what's bad, you know?

[307] Yeah.

[308] Have you always had that sense of what's good and what's got in terms of, like, if you always had good timing for sparring?

[309] Oh, for straight, my most gifted ability that God said here is boxing.

[310] Since the first day I walked into the boxing ring, maybe like, uh, three weeks later It was the first time.

[311] I would let this guy spar, you know?

[312] And they put me to spar.

[313] And I remember there was a couple coaches that didn't know me. They were handling already the boxing team for that program.

[314] And I used to go to the state -sponsored program, which was like $40 for the whole year.

[315] You had access to the gym, three, four hours a day.

[316] And it was like perfect, you know, it was the best thing that could happen to me. So it was a lot of good talent.

[317] And then we had a couple national champions come out of that program.

[318] And I remember my first sparring session sparring, the coach is coming up to me and goes, hey, man, how many amateur fights you got to go?

[319] No, I've never fought my life.

[320] You go, what?

[321] I come over here, man, and start working with you.

[322] And it was like immediate, you know, and I just had like a natural -borne radar where I could see the punches in slow motion, you know?

[323] I didn't know at the time how to react to him.

[324] I was up.

[325] Right.

[326] You know, just trying to get out of the way, and it would just work, you know, and still to this day I have that same radar.

[327] So that's just a blessing God gave me. And also from the ass -whip as my mother used to give me because when the belt would come with a metal buckle and the shoes, that that's the first um test of the reflexes you know when i get home like at uh 2 in the morning i was like 12 13 years old my mom be waiting for me dodged the broom time you've obviously put more work in too though oh yeah it's not just uh this this whole resurrection is you seem more focused definitely more focused i've always been like ultra focused when i got to fight you know like nothing forever in all my career like i got a fight that's all i'm going to make it to every single practices on my schedule if i got two practices today and three tomorrow and whatever it is i'm always going to do it outside of fighting though like once i don't have a fight those seven eight weeks madness would happen fucking fucking stupid shit you know so you know that gets you into trouble that gets you out of shape and fucking yeah i love to eat you know right that's another fucking huge problem right yeah i love to eat too much maybe What's the heaviest you've ever gotten in between fights?

[328] It was recently.

[329] Right before I went on this reality show, I checked my weight.

[330] I was at a staggering, too sexy.

[331] You know, it was just, it was time to cut the weight, man. It was just too much, man. What reality show was this?

[332] I went on my manager, Abe, got me this deal.

[333] We were having trouble.

[334] This was after the Thompson fight.

[335] We couldn't really get a match -up.

[336] Couldn't get a fight that I wanted.

[337] I wanted, like, a tough fight, and they were kind of offering me, like ultimate fighters and things like that and no disrespect to them i just in that stage in my career i want the hardest fighter the best fighter that i could get and he's like calls me up when they say hey i got this reality show and i was like oh awesome click you know and uh calls me back the next day yeah what don't hang up yet listen to me you know um i think you might like this it's not like that's not like a jersey short it's like a competitive like you're gonna compete against people i'm like no thanks bro you know and then we talked like a week later what's going on did i get a fight no we can't get you know fight yet unless you want to fight Joe Blow or this guy, you know.

[338] I'm like, I've already been sitting out seven months nursing my injuries.

[339] I'm already thinking, yeah, I'll fight whoever it is, you know?

[340] So while this is going on, the reality shows pitching numbers at us.

[341] They keep increasing the number every time.

[342] They get to a decent number.

[343] They talk to my manager.

[344] My manager talks to me, he's like, I can't get you no fight right now that you want.

[345] Why don't you just go there a couple weeks, one or two weeks, collect these paychecks, come back and that's it, you know?

[346] and the reality shows like you go through like a park core um kind of obstacles and then at the end you got to aim so while your heart rates out up you'd have to like knock down water bottles with a frisbee or a football or something like that but the cool part is that i'm up against olympic gymnasts part core dudes um tennis players soccer players all types of athletes were just mixed in there and were just all competing in this thing so it was pretty cool you know it was an awesome experience i ended up lasting 13 weeks in the show and the show ran for about 15 weeks so i got pretty far deep in it you know and uh the coolest thing was that i got to be alone by myself because one of the things is there's no cell phone there's no tv there's no music on the show so it's just the interaction of us and outside of that that's it that's your only interactions you don't have no interactions with the town people or nothing they strictly forbid that you know they want you like cage up so it was awesome i thought you know after a while was the best i'd go work out in the nature be by myself in the mountains or in the beach and just chilling and you really get to notice yourself and that's why i call it the resurrection because i thought about like all the negative dumb things that i've done in my life and just let me eliminate them whether i like them in my life or not let me just eliminate that shit and that's it you know that's what we call it the resurrection you know yeah well that fight with till man if anybody had any doubts that fight erased all of them and that was uh i mean till was top five right when you knocked them out believe so yeah yeah and so uh that puts you in the hunt now and what a crazy goddamn division that is now Yes, sir.

[347] I mean, we got Robbie Lawler, who's, he's about to fight Tyron Woodley again.

[348] They're going to have a rematch.

[349] That's a crazy fucking fight.

[350] It's a crazy fight.

[351] Usman is waiting to see who's going to be next for him at 170, now that he's the champ.

[352] I mean, Wonderboy just got caoed by Pettus, which is crazy.

[353] That one's crazy.

[354] And now RDA, which is a ranked 17 -pounder, is going to fight, he's going to fight the 55 I just forgot his name right now this second uh Kevin Lee oh yeah Kevin Lee's gonna go up at 70 now so those are the things that throw me off like if if Pettus stays at 70 awesome right but if he goes down to 55 it kind of like makes it more of a weird you know set up and same thing with Kevin Lee I don't know if he's staying up at 70 or he's doing like a one time one night sand thing you know he's staying according to him what I talked to him he just had it was just too hard for him it's like 55 just ruined him every time he got down there he made well you've met him he's big yeah he's a big guy yeah and he's walking around like 185 easy maybe more and thick you know so like man there's not a lot of weight there that you can cut off 30 fucking pounds if he stays no problem i love it you know but when it's when it's when they come and go it like fuchs with the division yeah it makes it a yeah a labyrinth yeah i don't understand why the ufc is so reluctant to have more weight classes i really don't at it.

[355] Like, Dana said that the 165 -pound weight class will never happen while he's running the UFC, and he's going to be running it for the next seven years, he said.

[356] Was it ESPN plus Kevin Lee's want to make Rafael Osang just fight at 165?

[357] He's asking him to see, like, if they can make a backroom deal to just both weigh in at 165 instead of 170, just to sort of force it.

[358] What?

[359] That's not forcing it.

[360] That doesn't even make any sense.

[361] That's so weird.

[362] I mean, five pounds is not that much of a difference That's not But it would be nice if there was a 10 pound gap I don't know They both, I mean, Del Sondros has fought successfully At 170, he looked great when he fought Lawler You know Be Magnin too Yeah, but I feel like he's probably a guy That should be 165 too You know They can make it like a 162 or something Yeah Yeah I don't know We're probably just fucking whistling in the window They have their ideas I don't want to run that business I don't want to tell them what to do Fuck running that Imagine being running the UFC What a nightmare that would be Depends how much money You can't pay for it, right?

[363] I guess Still, once you have all that money For a few years And then you're dealing with high blood pressure And your fucking panic attacks In the middle of the night They got things for high blood pressure They're pretty good They do?

[364] Yeah Marijuana That does help What's it like in Florida getting weed Is it hard now?

[365] Florida's a fucking mafia man And I'm going to get killed for this.

[366] But, you know, every state went legal and had the flour and shit, we only had wax.

[367] That's it?

[368] That's it, man. And that's for medical, right?

[369] Yeah, for medical.

[370] They're literally about to become, I think flower just became legal in Florida or it's about to become legal.

[371] Medical, right?

[372] Yeah, medical.

[373] Yeah.

[374] Yeah, no, no just smoking the smoke.

[375] I wonder if they're going to be easy with the medical recommendations the way they used to be for opiates.

[376] Opiates, you'd be able to just, you'd be able to get oxies with, like, just go to a doctor, one of those little pay management centers.

[377] Oh, in Florida.

[378] Yeah.

[379] Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

[380] I wonder how hard it's going to be to get weed because they, obviously there's someone who's spending some money trying to keep it from being fully legal there.

[381] Yes.

[382] Yeah.

[383] And I think a big part of it is because like South Florida culture, there's a lot of natural growers over there.

[384] They grew like it's always been a big business.

[385] It's illegal, of course, to grow marijuana in Florida and sell it, you know, especially in Miami, Florida.

[386] And a lot of people did this.

[387] So I think when the rules came about legalizing medically marijuana, they said, we're not going to have plants because everybody's going to grow plants.

[388] And, you know, it's like we can't really charge them because it's legal, you know.

[389] So that's why I think they did the wax.

[390] Because you can't grow the wax in here.

[391] Yeah, I guess.

[392] And I don't really agree.

[393] It's like smoking wax.

[394] Like somebody giving me wax, like, oh, here, smoke this.

[395] I don't really know what's in there.

[396] You know, I always feels like that from cocaine to crack.

[397] People thought, oh, it's still cocaine and then you're a fucking crackhead, you know?

[398] So the wax always I don't care how many times Somebody tells me no It's just super safe I get it you know But I'd rather the flour If I'm gonna smoke Yeah it's pure But apparently One of the things I'm dealing with in California Is pesticides Yeah And some weed You know Grown by shitty growers It has pesticides on it You're smoking these pesticides I mean this is why It should be legal So you could test things Uh exactly Test things and find out What's pure and what's not Make things organic Only the best of the best make it to that to that other side, you know.

[399] Yeah.

[400] I don't know.

[401] It's just weird.

[402] It's weird that it's so easy to get opiates in Florida.

[403] It's so hard to get weed.

[404] I wouldn't know nothing about that.

[405] I wouldn't know nothing about that either.

[406] So when you look at the landscape now, you're obviously in the running for a shot at the title.

[407] Has anybody give you any indication of what you would have to do to get a shot at Usman or?

[408] to be next in line well the next one is this uh this idiot i won't even mention his name on your show because i'm not going to make him famous he's a fucking idiot you know but fight this guy and then go for the title that's what they told me so you have to fight somebody else yeah what is his name rhyme with Dolby no no no no no you don't want to say that no I was trying oh Leon Edwards no no no he just made that guy famous too I think you made him famous a couple weeks ago.

[409] I know.

[410] Who?

[411] Who?

[412] Schmen, yeah.

[413] Oh, that's right.

[414] You're supposed to fight at Ben Ascran in July.

[415] That fucking dork.

[416] You don't like him?

[417] Not one bit.

[418] Really?

[419] Not one bit, not as a person.

[420] Why did I forget that that fight was scheduled?

[421] What's the problem with Ben Ascran?

[422] He's that new age, you know, and he's like a fucking 40 -year -old science teacher, too.

[423] I don't know why he asked him his new age.

[424] But he's like these new ways to do is just fucking talk.

[425] Like, just talk and talk and talk about everybody.

[426] Shut the fuck up.

[427] Because when somebody sees you in person, you're not that guy.

[428] And like I said, I don't come from this technology world.

[429] I come from like, if you say like, yo, fucking Joe, you're a fucking idiot.

[430] Where are you going to punch me in the face where I better be ready for it?

[431] You know, I'm just not going around disrespecting people.

[432] I get taught respect because if not somebody's going to make you respect, you know.

[433] But these guys nowadays they grow up with these little things They can just say whatever the fuck they want Words carry weight Especially my kids can read your stupid comments You know my kids have access to the internet now I just don't like them you know One incident I remind you when Kabib won the title right And Ben immediately comes out I'm Kabib's kryptonite I would smash him Or something like that like for starters you're 70 pounder You fucking moron He's a 55 pounder and you're not even in the UFC You know he's that type of guy an attention horror look at me look at me i i don't even like his fighting style i like a lot of wrestlers style because if that's what you did and you're imposing it and winning awesome but when your sole purpose is just to hug somebody's leg as hard as you can and then i i don't know what you think about the robbie fight but he didn't win that fight in my eyes you know we watched that fight several times we watched that fight several times i thought that robbie was asleep for a second and then oussman showed it to me and then i changed my mind and then herb dean came on and talked about and I changed my mind again because Herb Dean was saying that what he was concerned was the way the arm dropped and that it was a cervical lock essentially when you have a bulldog choke it puts a some serious leverage on your neck he's like and he's seeing guys go out from that and their whole body goes paralyzed and he saw a guy where that happened to it and he came back he got his movement back again but for a while it was pretty fucking scary so he was getting choked out you know by getting his neck pinched it was pinching down the nerve he was worried that that was happening with Robbie he said the way his arm dropped he goes it wasn't normal and he goes in it and it gave me some serious concern um ben askin said that he let go of the choke a little bit when herb came over to him because he thought herb was going to stop it because he thought robbie was out and he thinks that during that time when he let go robbie came back to life which could have happened i don't know it's hard for me to say but i feel like in herb dean situation i think he did the right thing because the arm dropping was fucking weird yeah the arm dropping was a little weird yeah but he was I've never seen nobody go to sleep doing this.

[434] You know?

[435] I've seen people go to sleep.

[436] Ashley Evan Smith went to sleep.

[437] With the thumbs up?

[438] But here's what Herb said that made sense.

[439] He goes, was it the thumbs up?

[440] He goes, I want a thumbs up.

[441] If someone looks at me, I want this.

[442] I want this.

[443] It's not, is your arm down in that position?

[444] He goes, was it this?

[445] Did he do this?

[446] Or was his arm down?

[447] I don't know.

[448] Only Robbie knows whether or not he was out.

[449] He says he wasn't.

[450] So you have to also say he's, in the middle of war.

[451] If it's up to me, I want the guy to go peace -sign with the cheese.

[452] The guy's defending a choke.

[453] That's true.

[454] But that was the other thing that Herb said.

[455] He didn't grab for the choke.

[456] He said the natural defense would be to get his hands on the hands and try to separate them.

[457] He didn't do that.

[458] But that's Herb's natural defense.

[459] Maybe Robbie, because he's seen this guy do it, has a fucking thing.

[460] You know, maybe Robbie can't be put to sleep from there.

[461] There's guys that are weird like that.

[462] They're just certain positions.

[463] They could go three minutes.

[464] You're choking them.

[465] and then they don't go to sleep.

[466] Maybe Robbie's that guy.

[467] All I know is he wasn't sleeping.

[468] Yeah, well, that's what Robbie said.

[469] Robbie said that he was waiting for Ben to tire his arms out.

[470] That's what he said.

[471] He said he felt the squeeze.

[472] He said the squeeze is really tight, but he's like, I'll just let him gas his arms out here.

[473] That was his thought.

[474] Look, I mean, Michael Kiesta said that when Kevin Lee got his back and they stopped the fight before he went out.

[475] He said, I let my hands go because I was concentrating on my neck.

[476] I was just tightening up my neck and trying to keep my blood flowing.

[477] I think that one was a little different.

[478] That one was a real naked, you know?

[479] Yeah, it was different.

[480] So that's, you're going to go to sleep eventually.

[481] And that one let a guy go to sleep.

[482] Like that one, you should let a guy go to sleep.

[483] Let him.

[484] Yeah.

[485] Nothing happens, you need to just wake them right up.

[486] Hey, you went to sleep.

[487] No big deal.

[488] Maybe they pee their pants why they got to sleep.

[489] No big deal.

[490] It's certain neck cracks where you just go, no. No, but that one's not going to put you in a weird turn.

[491] Especially not from Ben's ass, man. Probably.

[492] So your take is on all of this.

[493] trash talking media hype shit that you see going on now you don't like it I don't I think I fast forward it's not it's distasteful right now to a certain point but if you just fast forward to the guys like me when I was 14 years old watching the sport now you're looking at the dudes right now doing it you're gonna grow up and think oh well I gotta do the same shit I just gotta fucking talk a shit lot of shit I don't really gotta go to the gym that much just gotta have a banging lit social network account and i'm fucking golden you know and we see it you know uh sage north for example you know great town and stuff but um what he was getting paid out didn't make sense to a lot of the fighters you know why why was he getting paid so much because the social media is but is he really bringing in those people into the chairs and into the tv because you have a lot of likes you know the things that i wonder not like to diss the girls another but sometimes girls have like tremendous amount of followers you know do those numbers translate to viewers on the tv or or like butts in seats or any of that like i i would like to know you know and a lot of times when i've asked like people in the ufc and stuff they say no those numbers don't translate so why do they get more money you know i'm not talking about the girls getting more money you know i'm talking about guys that have like a social media presence that are just getting more money well don't you think it's kind of translate a certain amount no i'm sure it does i'm sure it does like guys like colby colby's got to translate i mean he's he talks so much shit he you know gets people excited about the fights there's something to it i don't know i just i appreciate what you're saying though and i look i appreciate the way one fc handles things because they concentrate on just fighters being honorable and fighting their best and fighting the best fighters they can fight and they don't emphasize that shit talking at all they emphasize the martial arts aspect of it i get it me and you don't like each other john jones and uh dc i love it because you can feel these guys don't like each other yeah you feel it yeah kill each other you know but to me it's okay everybody's doing it when max holloway fought dustin there was None of that.

[494] There was just two guys who were the best in their weight class.

[495] I mean, Max is the best 145 pound ever.

[496] And Dustin Poyer is absolutely one of the best 155 pounds alive.

[497] And they're going to go after it.

[498] And it was beautiful.

[499] Two dogs.

[500] It was beautiful.

[501] No barking, just biting and fighting.

[502] Shaking hands, full respect, before and after.

[503] And I get a lot of people like, they have that, I hate you syndrome going into the fight.

[504] So they don't want to shake hands.

[505] They fuck you.

[506] I don't like you, you know.

[507] but when when they're giving so much attention to that WWF stuff and pushing you to the forefront that I don't really like you know and just to think that the kids watching it are going to be even worse they're going to do it to the next power you know did did you get up I mean when you went over and got into a fight with Leon you were being interviewed he was yelling some shit at you while you're being interviewed and you walked over and one of the things that I like what you said is you walked over your hands behind your back.

[508] You're like, look, talk.

[509] Say what the fuck you want to say to me. But then when he was standing in front of you, like he wanted to punch you, you're like, okay.

[510] Well, you know, for a start...

[511] What was he saying to you?

[512] Well, initially, I was doing my interview, and he's crossing by, and he's with his corner, man. And I don't know if this guy consumes a lot of drugs or what, that he thought that that would intimidate.

[513] He was walking like this, looking at me and, like, pacing back and forth.

[514] And I'm trying to do my interview, you know?

[515] And he asked me something about something, a date.

[516] And I say maybe, maybe not.

[517] And then he tells me to shut up.

[518] You know, we're not, where everybody watching this back home from Miami was like, you should have punched him as soon as he asked you a question while your interview, because that's my natural instinct, you know, if you're getting interview and some fucking idiot comes here and cuts your interview off, well, you should get punches slapped upside your head, you know.

[519] That'll teach you respect not to do it than nobody else again.

[520] I should immediately done it, but I didn't.

[521] I answered this question politely.

[522] Maybe, maybe not.

[523] He goes on to say, shut up after that.

[524] I can't take that.

[525] My daughter might be watching this interview.

[526] I've been telling her, stand up to bullies your whole life.

[527] Don't go running to somebody and telling him, so -and -so is picking on me. Handle it yourself.

[528] That's what's wrong with this country.

[529] I think with this whole somebody picks on you.

[530] Go tell somebody else.

[531] I'm not going to tell authorities this hooligan is picking on me. I'm going to handle it myself, you know?

[532] Because I'm going to see him again.

[533] He's going to think he could pick on me. Got to handle it myself.

[534] You know, I'm in my interview, man. You're going to steal my moment.

[535] I just worked out here.

[536] I just kicked some butt out here.

[537] you barely want to split decision in your own country I knocked this dude out and you're trying to steal my shine like this that's what I'm saying like and then he got famous off that which I hate it's the only thing I could take back about that night that it wasn't filmed they hadn't filmed it it'd be even better you know he was just gone off in silence you know Leon got his ass blue But I think it helped you too Did it help me yeah but it helped him more than anything Nah Yeah No it helped you People know who this People know Monsvidal doesn't take any shit People have known that since They know, but they like to see it.

[538] Since before rainbows had color, they already knew that, man. They didn't need to see me whooping to know that.

[539] People like to see it.

[540] They like to see it.

[541] They like to get remembered, huh?

[542] Yeah, they like to see people have consequences for shit talking in this weird era of constant shit talking, you know?

[543] I think people enjoy it.

[544] They like it.

[545] And if you guys ever fight, it makes it a bigger fight, for sure.

[546] I guess, man. Let me guess.

[547] But does that, like, I beat number three.

[548] I've been in this sport for a while, I've been beating up guys.

[549] Would that validate him to fight me when he hasn't beaten a top 10 guy yet?

[550] He's still yet to be the top 10 guy, you know?

[551] Like, but he could get that fight off that.

[552] That's a new age and era they were in, you know?

[553] Right, that's a concern.

[554] Yeah, that's a concern.

[555] I'll fight.

[556] When he's beating the top 10 guy, I'm going to be the first guy to expose him to break his face.

[557] But until that moment comes, you're talking about the business side, because you already saw on the personal side any day, the week i will address you but on the business side get to my level buddy put in the fucking work go beat a top 10 guy knock him the fuck out did you worry at all about getting in trouble for punching someone in another country i was scared out of my fucking life joe that's what i'm thinking i was scared i thought this guy was going to kill me man i might have not looked it but i was scared out of my life yeah i get it i'm very cold -blooded you know i get that from from genetics from my my my pops in them but i was scared out of my mind i thought this guy was going to take everything I had, you know?

[558] You had to do that.

[559] I had to defend my stuff, man. I understand it.

[560] But did you worry at all about them arresting you or any weird shit like that over there?

[561] I mean, you're in another country.

[562] I wanted to press charges.

[563] Ah.

[564] That's how scared I was, but I'm not going to press charges because I understand.

[565] I'm a man. Yeah.

[566] But that's how I felt.

[567] So you were in danger.

[568] I was fucking hell of in danger.

[569] I understand.

[570] Did you not see?

[571] It was not just one assailant.

[572] He was him and his crew of hooligans.

[573] You know?

[574] Hooligans.

[575] Lawless people.

[576] I had to defend myself.

[577] I did everything in my right to defend myself.

[578] It was one.

[579] against like three or four dudes and they know it it's on video that okay i understand i understand and so the what the police say to that oh then you tell me nothing man didn't tell you sure i didn't speak to no polices that's amazing no no police for me no talking to police anyways you started to me up in the spanglish immediately no no no no we go on mute and i and not pick english huh okay no pick english yeah i mean how many times you fought england before well first time Yeah, so, like, if you go the rest of your career, you can't go to England.

[580] Oh, wow.

[581] No, that would suck, though.

[582] I really liked England.

[583] Did you?

[584] The fans were so knowledgeable, and they were just cool.

[585] Even the ones that were, like, Till fans would say, like, a funny joke to me or something cool.

[586] But it wasn't, like, that weird, bad energy, you know?

[587] Even if there were Till fans, just be like, oh, my boy Till's going to get you, you know.

[588] But it'd be, like, funny and how they say cheeky, you know, it was a great experience.

[589] Everywhere I went, the people were super, super, super duper cool.

[590] Yeah.

[591] Brazil's rough.

[592] If someone's fighting a Brazil.

[593] Yeah, they don't, they don't, they don't, I've heard the story, I've yet to fight in Brazil.

[594] They're super nationalistic and proud, very proud.

[595] So they're not into people coming over there and fighting Brazilians.

[596] They're not going to be friendly to you.

[597] But England's different, man. They're very polite.

[598] Very knowledgeable too.

[599] They're one of the countries who's been around for a while with the sport.

[600] What did you think about that stylebender gaslam fight?

[601] Oh, that was pretty good, man. That was wild shit.

[602] It was pretty good.

[603] Tested.

[604] Both.

[605] Both tested.

[606] Yeah, both tested.

[607] Gaslone's got a ton of heart, man. Ooh, he's a tank.

[608] Was nobody going to get mad at him if in the fifth round he said, you know what?

[609] Yeah.

[610] He just fucking didn't stop.

[611] Dug in, survived.

[612] I mean, incredible.

[613] It looked like Stylebender was going to take him out several times.

[614] I mean, what a fight.

[615] And to have Kelvin land the first big shot early on and drop Stylebender and show him some real adversity and let him know, hey, man, you can get knocked the fuck out in this fight.

[616] You know, that was a real awesome moment, man. What a fight, too, man. back and forth and ooh so much chaos and to have Kelvin head kick him and rock him how about that shit the thing that really rocked Style Bender was a fucking head kick from Calvin I thought really Calvin would press him up against the cage maybe get a take down but just definitely keep him up against the cage and work him there you know with his wrestling background went I didn't I didn't see that going like that you know yeah there was some wild scrambles on the ground too was Stalbender threw up that fucking triangle was like whoa He's got a game on the ground No, he's a gifted athlete Fast as fuck man And more than just gifted You could tell he puts in the work 100%.

[617] He's smart as fuck He's smart and creative And just has a broad encyclopedia Of first of all Striking knowledge But obviously when he went to the ground He knew what the fuck to do man He was throwing up triangles He locked Kelvin up in a triangle It's just they're slippery It's the end of the fight And you know He popped out of it With obviously Kelvin used the right technique to get out of it too but that was a serious fucking triangle attempt there's a serious fight me you pay your hard -earned money for that fight oh yeah well I hope um enough people got a chance to watch it because I don't know what that ESPN plus debacle was because apparently there were a bunch of people that couldn't get it like there was some crashes right to the app and there was some crashes and some people wouldn't work on their device and they had to order it online then it still didn't work so all paper views now are bought through ESPN yeah Whoa, I didn't know that.

[618] I thought it was just like some...

[619] No, it's all of them from now on.

[620] So, look, you have DirecTV, tough shit.

[621] You've got to get it through ESPN Plus.

[622] I think it's a good move because I think in the future, that's where everything's going to be.

[623] I think the UFC just got way ahead of it.

[624] Whereas most people are still, like, boxing matches and shit.

[625] You're getting most of them.

[626] You're getting them off of pay -per -view on DirecTV or cable or whatever the fuck you use.

[627] But now they're using that DeZone.

[628] You know, DeZone has a lot of fights you get from that app.

[629] You know, a lot of boxing matches.

[630] They're the ones who signed Canelo to that huge, huge deal.

[631] They signed Triple G. Yes.

[632] You know, so they're doing a lot of streaming shit, too.

[633] Yeah, I saw a commercial with him the other day.

[634] They even Busters with Tracy Morgan, I think.

[635] Yeah.

[636] Yeah, streaming, I think, is the future.

[637] And I think that's why the Zone got way ahead of it.

[638] And then ESPN Plus is getting way ahead of it, too.

[639] I think they see where they're riding on the wall is.

[640] Yeah, just from here to there, it's going to take a little bit of time.

[641] Yeah.

[642] Everybody's used to just pay -per -view, direct TV.

[643] you know Or whatever Comcast People are going to get used to having Their TV connected to the internet There's a lot of fucking people That don't have their TV connected to the internet You know So once people start using Yeah once people start using like Apple TV And connect through that And then get the app through Apple Or use You know Android or whatever the fuck they use to get online It'll be normal to have that On your TV in five years Yeah But right now it's It's rough If you don't have that And you want to see the fights Or if you come from the stone age like me and you've got to go to the internet labyrinth, it gets crazy, man. Yeah, I wonder how the pay structure works.

[644] Like, say if you get a title fight, say you beat Ascran and then you get a title fight with Usman.

[645] What, I mean, how do they do that with ESPN Plus as opposed to like pay -per -view points or something like that?

[646] That's so true, man. How does that work?

[647] Yeah, look at you.

[648] You're in pain.

[649] No, I'm using brain power.

[650] that requires energy yeah that's why there's this gentleman by the name of abraham cow why let him do with all that man it's good move yeah let abe handle it yeah he's been there done that negotiated bigger contracts in mind so just hey bro take care of this man you know now this ascran fight um you're you're fighting him in july that what is that july 6th yes sir um when do you like how much of a camp how much of like a fully dedicated just all -in camp all day every day all day if you look at him from a skill set ben's not even worth waking up before like 10 a .m. in the morning but i don't like this dude man before my alarm goes off i'm already awake i want to break his fucking face man i want to break his fucking rib cage and i don't want to knock him out early on i don't i just want to torture that guy man If I get the chance to torture him 14 minutes and 50 seconds before I stop him, that's what I'm going to do, man. You know, I just, I don't like the dude at all.

[651] I met him a long time ago.

[652] He's a fucking prick, man. I don't like him, man. There's not too many people that I genuinely dislike.

[653] He's one of them, you know?

[654] If I was to see him right now, probably wouldn't be too friendly of a greeting, you know?

[655] Now, do you base this on how he talks shit and just plays around, tries to hype things up or if you had a like a real conversation with him combination of things you know uh like i'm i'm the type of dude that um if we if we train you go to american top team joe and let's say i get lucky and i tap you out twice i'm not gonna ever tell nobody that because that's not my glory moment that's just fucking training i don't give a fuck about that i already forgot about that but there's some people they violate that man code of gym and oh i went to american top team and like he's that type of of pussy you know like oh he's talking about gym stories like he came over to an american top team after i dumped him on his head we kept wrestling he out scrambled me and he said it yeah you beat me wrestling but we were straight wrestling two -time national champion you're proud of that you're telling people that you know and uh that just shows me his character you know he's not he's not who he pretends to be and then he talked so much online then i could have respected him a little bit if he had held to his gun but I see him in London.

[656] And as soon as I see him, I start walking towards him.

[657] He goes, hey, man, I'm going to spare you.

[658] I'm not going to say nothing to after your fight.

[659] Ben, don't do me no fucking favors, bro.

[660] You're not doing me no favors.

[661] Say whatever the fuck you want when you want it, you know?

[662] And I addressed him, and I went up to talk to him, and UFC got involved.

[663] He put his head down, and they squirted him out of the hotel, and he never came back to that hotel, you know?

[664] And he actually wished me good luck at some point, too, like right before.

[665] Like, why are you doing this, man?

[666] you're not that person on social media that you portray to be you're not you know so you're fake as fuck you're selling something to the public that is not there obviously and you're a coward fuck it let's throw that in there too and if people don't believe me tune in July 6 I'll show you how much of a cowardly is just to play devil's advocate don't you think that what he's doing is smart marketing to play devil I know you don't like it I know you don't like it but to play devil's advocate but it's corny though when he looks back it's corny like ain't nobody going oh he just wants validation he wants to be accepted I think half of what he's doing is corny on purpose all that boom roasted shit come on man half of that stuff is corny on purpose no no that guy you haven't seen him and you haven't hung around that guy's just fucking corny it's in his DNA I like him you can't I like talking to him he's a smart motherfucker he might be smart man but he's a corny motherfucker around you know and he's cocky for all the wrong reasons I just can't wait I love The fact that you're a purist like this, though.

[667] I really do.

[668] I want to hurt that, dude.

[669] I know you do.

[670] I want to hurt that, dude.

[671] It's going to be a great fight.

[672] It's one of those interesting fights because you've got good wrestling, takedown defense.

[673] You've got very good wrestling.

[674] You've got very good takedowns yourself.

[675] But you clearly have a big advantage in striking.

[676] So it's one of those, can he impose his will?

[677] Can he get a hold of you?

[678] He's going to get a hold of these fucking nuts, man. This dude, bro.

[679] I've had numerous people talk shit to me in the past, but they'll say it to my face, and man, I gained respect for you.

[680] Right.

[681] Cool, bro.

[682] I'm a punk or whatever you call.

[683] You said it to my fucking face, you know?

[684] But you say it online.

[685] It's just the whole way it gets said about it.

[686] You say it online, and then when you see me, what's up?

[687] Hey, how are you?

[688] Picture, picture, man. Fucking kidding me, man. What the fuck is it?

[689] I feel like I've been brought out from like a twilight zone from a different dimension sometimes.

[690] Because a lot of these rapper fighters That you see acting like criminals on the social media When they see me Hey, what's up, bro?

[691] Let me get a picture of all fucking fanboyed out I go man I could have sworn you were just mentioning my name seeing some shit bro That's fucking nuts to me It blows my mind Right I'm such a simpleton bro, it just blows my mind everything No, you're a purist I don't know if it's a purest simple I don't know where you want to put me but it's not simple You just don't want to play that game You're not interested in that game It's mind Yeah, listen, Khabib's not interested in that fucking game either.

[692] Yeah, yeah.

[693] When he was on top of Connor, let's talk now.

[694] Bam, let's talk.

[695] Come on, Connor, let's talk.

[696] Let's talk now.

[697] I love that shit.

[698] Same shit, purist.

[699] I love that shit, bro.

[700] I do.

[701] I appreciate when that shit talking has consequences.

[702] I like some shit talking, though.

[703] It's fun.

[704] I like shit talking.

[705] When you back it up.

[706] Yeah.

[707] Back that shit up.

[708] Yeah.

[709] Now you've seen me in a hallway lobby and fucking run to security and get escorted out.

[710] Who's a guy you fought in the past you had the most beef with before you actually fought uh i don't know i never really had like real beat no so not like this fight like till and you went back and forth a little bit right no no no we went back and forth like hey you want to fight yeah let's do it all right fuck it boom boom boom but we never but it's pretty respectful yeah yeah yeah till's a cool dude man what about cowboy cowboy i mean yeah a little bit of beef you know nothing crazy like if i see him in the street we're gonna start fucking fighting or nothing you know is that what you mean by like beef or just like we're going back and forth like talking shit to each other like yeah yeah you're right me and cabboy we're talking a lot of shit back and forth to each yeah you know yeah yeah it's coming from genuine places from both sides you know so it's good a made it gave that fire you know yeah yeah that's definitely one it came from like a little bit of but not like this ascran one I respected cowboy going into that fight you know obviously I think he's a fucking stud bro and he proves it again by having the most wins most knockouts and admissions dudes a stud i i don't think askeran's even yet to get a win in the ufc you know i i just think about it like if i had fought robbie lawler which was a great champion and has done amazing things in the sports and the start of robbie till now by the guy still fighting man i remember watching him in the uc back back in the day knocking out 37 and a half what the fuck this guy's yeah that's what he came along 37 and a half still fucking lame people to fuck out and looked amazing it looks yeah looked fucking amazing looked amazing physically when he hoisted asking up the air and dumped him on his head and then started just driving his fucking knuckles through his brain and it shows you how tough asking is the dude's durable as fuck man he handled that he's built for survival even by his body type you can tell like physiologically he's just built for a guy like me to put him under the radar like oh this guy's not a threat look at him you know but it's not going to work i already know what the dude of this guy and just fucking hurt him, man. Even the way he's fucking built is for patheticness, man. Let's skip the subject, man. Let's go to somebody else, man. I'm make this guy famous on your show.

[711] That's too late.

[712] Too late.

[713] Well, listen, man, when they put his picture up on the marquee, he gets a big pop.

[714] It's crazy.

[715] People love Ascran.

[716] I guess, I don't know.

[717] I haven't seen that.

[718] They loved him before he fought in the UFC, too.

[719] I'd never seen that because I saw in England, and, man, in England, they didn't fucking hated his ass, man. They were booing him out of the fucking.

[720] fucking stage and shit.

[721] Because he looks like he belongs there.

[722] Right?

[723] He looks like, ah, you left us lad.

[724] He looks like an English guy, doesn't he?

[725] I guess, man. doesn't that, like, what do you think his nationality is Ascran?

[726] He looks like probably has some English in him.

[727] curly hair.

[728] A lot of English dudes are curly hair.

[729] Yeah.

[730] You got to admit that the dude's got a wild -ass wrestling style.

[731] Wrestling style.

[732] It's funky, yeah.

[733] It's very unusual.

[734] Very effective.

[735] You know, he's going to have.

[736] had that wrestling match with Jordan Burroughs.

[737] She's going to get smashed.

[738] Is that before or after yours?

[739] I think he's before.

[740] Is that concern you?

[741] He might get injured doing that?

[742] Fuck, if he does, that's because he fake the injury out, you know?

[743] He knows what he's doing.

[744] He's a big boy, you know?

[745] Right.

[746] It's like, if you're going to fight Joel Romero and one of your teammates might come up to him and tell you, like, hey, man, I think you should fake the injury.

[747] I know Drake, Joe Romero.

[748] Just fake the injury and cop out of that fight.

[749] You don't want no problems with that guy, you know?

[750] So that might be what he's trying to do.

[751] Who knows, man?

[752] Damn.

[753] fucking 185 pound division with Romero in it like what a division now now with stylebender and Gastilum and then stylebender's going to fight Whitaker and yeah i hope yoel fights boar china they're supposed to fight right paolo costa they're supposed to fight i don't know i thought he were i know he's going to fight jaccaray then uh joel got hurt yeah and yel was supposed to fight um paolo first but then someone got hurt there might have and paolo but paul's healed up again and the jacre fights out and so they set a new fight up for jacqueray so jacchre's got an opponent and now yowell doesn't man it's a fucking crazy division though that division's a real shark tank tell you truth i would like to see joel fight for the title because i feel like not to take nothing away from whittaker because i think he's one of the baddest dudes on the planet i feel like joel won i feel like you won too the second fight the first fight straight of Whitaker one.

[754] The second one, I straight of thought, Jewel won.

[755] I was actually there in his corner, and I was like, oh, we got this, wow, you know, he won the third round, won the fourth, won the fifth.

[756] And also with the new scoring, yes, significant damage.

[757] Yes, with the new damage, with the new...

[758] Significant damage.

[759] I think, I don't know if they used the new score cards, the new scoring method, but if they did and he didn't win, then it's a real travesting.

[760] But he had him hurt, and that's...

[761] There wasn't no 108 rounds, no 107 rounds.

[762] That's the big difference in that fight, in my opinion.

[763] Robert Whitaker for sure scored.

[764] He fought well.

[765] He won rounds, but when Yowel heard him, he really fucking heard him.

[766] And there was no moments like that for Whitaker where he had Yowell staggered and almost out.

[767] Whitaker's a fucking beast, though, man. Super intelligent, dude, I think, when he fights, man. Him and Stylebender is going to be very unusual because that's a big step up to go from Stylebender to go from the very first fight in the UFC, which was only like a year and a half ago all the way up to Robert Whitaker in a year and a half.

[768] It's amazing.

[769] It's an amazing step up.

[770] Whitaker's...

[771] Something special.

[772] And he's another guy that was a 170, just cut way too much weight, couldn't do it, went up to 185 and really found his own place.

[773] So many guys, I think, they're in that category where they'd be healthier if they went up.

[774] Yeah.

[775] Oh, yeah.

[776] But when you saw Holloway versus Poirier, did you get the impression that really Holloway should stay at 145?

[777] Yes and no, because I know personally DP, so I know he packs a punch.

[778] So I don't think it's like, oh, your career 55 is done, Max.

[779] No, you fought one of the more clever, powerful punchers because...

[780] One of the better boxes.

[781] Yeah, one of the better box.

[782] And to the knitting grit of it, man, D .P. is like a brawler.

[783] You know, he likes to braw, but an intelligent one, you know?

[784] Yeah.

[785] He wants to hit you as much as he can without getting hit very greedy, you know?

[786] And I think it was just a bad fight for Max.

[787] I think Max could fucking...

[788] There's a lot of guys Max murders at 155, I think, you know?

[789] I think so, too, but I think at 1 .45, he's almost unstoppable.

[790] Yeah, I don't even know how he makes 1 .45.

[791] I don't know how he makes it either, but when he gets down there, man, he's just something special.

[792] It doesn't seem to diminish him in his performance.

[793] If you look at his performance against Ortega, he can make it.

[794] He can make that weight in.

[795] Once he gets there, man, good luck catching up.

[796] That gas encing of his is...

[797] Incredible.

[798] It's incredible.

[799] Footwork, timing, the fakes that he throws and he switches up, and then he switches up, he explodes and then he fakes, fakes and he explodes as I love his rhythm and patterns.

[800] Yeah, very, very great at distant management and also switching stances and being creative and always giving you a different look.

[801] Yes.

[802] He's amazing, man. He's a special guy.

[803] He really isn't.

[804] He's in my pound for pound this, you know.

[805] Mine as well.

[806] And he takes a loss like a fucking man. I mean, just takes that loss so well.

[807] He's like, hey, it is what it is.

[808] He's a great champion.

[809] He beat a champion.

[810] You know, I'm still the champion.

[811] 145.

[812] He's like laughing and shit.

[813] Like he took it He gave everything he had He came up short No excuses And full respect to Dustin It was great man Maybe a year or two from that He could run it back 100 % A couple of fights from now Hey he's only 27 Yeah That's even crazier Already the best featherweight Of all time One of the best pound for pound fighters For sure on the planet earth Only 27 Yeah man He's good And his grappling defensively He's pretty fucking good He throws those chokes up and shit Yeah Yep yep You can do everything Scary dude, man. Yeah, he does everything.

[814] He really does.

[815] I mean, it's an amazing time for the sport.

[816] It really is.

[817] There's so much talent right now.

[818] I wish you still had the 25 division.

[819] I like that division.

[820] Well, they still kind of do.

[821] I mean, Benavides is still trying to set up something, you know, and if Sohudo goes up and beats Malamara's and decides to still defend his 125 -count title, that's a huge fight.

[822] That's a sick fight.

[823] Marlon's a scary cat.

[824] Yeah, he's a scary cat.

[825] But so is judo.

[826] Oh, yeah?

[827] Wow.

[828] Oh, yeah.

[829] I remember when Sejudo won that gold medal, we were watching.

[830] I was, we were already, like, fans of him and stuff.

[831] And he came over to American Top Team not long afterwards, and he was already working out.

[832] And he said, no, I'm going to keep wrestling, but I want to fight eventually.

[833] And I remember watching him the sky workout.

[834] He was like maybe 20, 21, because he was, I think he's the youngest gold medalist ever in at least American history.

[835] I don't know if all wrestling history.

[836] So I remember watching him work out on.

[837] I was like, man, that dude one day will do something big in the same.

[838] sport if he commits to it the way he did the wrestling yeah and sure enough he's done fucking huge things you know well the way he took out tj i definitely thought it was an early stoppage but i definitely thought tj was fucked he was in a bad place and if so hoodo if they just let it go for another 10 15 seconds he might have shut the lights out on tj we don't we don't know but the fact that he just staggered him and just came out right off the bat and just started dropping bombs on tj i mean that that that just show and again the backgrounds in wrestling just shows you what an athlete he is and how quick he learns.

[839] When he fought Wilson Hayes and all of a sudden he was fighting like a karate fighter.

[840] Remember that?

[841] He was standing sideways and then he drops like blitz right hands on.

[842] I'm like, what the fuck?

[843] Like look at how he's fighting.

[844] The fact that he can incorporate all these different styles too.

[845] He's something special.

[846] Endurance, power, speed.

[847] And success.

[848] You know, the first guy ever to be an Olympic gold medalist in wrestling and then a UFC world champion and he beats the best guy ever.

[849] The best guy ever.

[850] Ever.

[851] You know what I mean?

[852] It's amazing.

[853] He's an amazing guy.

[854] He's something else, too, man. That's another guy that you could write books on.

[855] Yep.

[856] Whoa.

[857] That's another scary fucker.

[858] Yeah, he's a special guy.

[859] Yeah.

[860] I hope he gets fucking paid over there at one FC.

[861] I really do.

[862] And they have a deep town pool over there.

[863] They have littler guys in Asia.

[864] You know, there's a lot of guys over there for them.

[865] And they got a lot of, I know they're bringing a lot of good multi -guise.

[866] Which I know Mighty Mouse would just scoop them up, put them on their head.

[867] But it'd still be fun to see.

[868] Still be fun to see.

[869] Yeah.

[870] Because those high -level tie guys are fucking something else.

[871] And I think Mighty Mouse is entertaining the idea of having grappling matches over in OneFC and even maybe possibly kickboxing matches in OneFC.

[872] Because, you know, they do everything over there.

[873] OneFC has a fucking huge audience, man. You know, they're talking 40, 80 million people are watching each event in Asia.

[874] No way.

[875] And all throughout the world.

[876] Yeah, it's giant.

[877] And they aired over here in America, too.

[878] I think it was on the Encore network.

[879] I was flipping through the channels and it was on, I was like, whoa, okay.

[880] So it's on TV in America, too.

[881] I had no idea.

[882] Yeah, it was after the fact.

[883] It wasn't live.

[884] I mean, I think you could watch it live on Bleacher Report Live.

[885] There was a website, right?

[886] You could watch it on Bleacher Report Live the day of the event.

[887] And I think it was free.

[888] Wasn't it?

[889] Maybe.

[890] Find that out.

[891] Yeah, most of it.

[892] I think it was.

[893] Yeah, I don't know, yeah.

[894] Anyway, it was free to watch the replay on television.

[895] And look, they got fucking high -level athletes.

[896] That guy, Nasty Ukin, who knocked out Evie Alvarez.

[897] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[898] That guy's legit as fuck.

[899] If you could take out Eddie Alvarez like that, you're legit as fuck.

[900] They got some Thai guys, too, that are scary with the stand -up, me. 225 fucking Thai fights.

[901] Yeah.

[902] How about Yots and Klai?

[903] How about they got Yotson Klai fighting with MMA gloves on?

[904] Almost illegal, man. That's not fair, man. He's so dangerous to let him fight Thai style, but with MMA gloves.

[905] It's like, I love it, man. I fucking love that.

[906] Because now they get to, like, they get to work their grip.

[907] a little better than maybe their takedowns are going to come out a little better and the shell does not work as well yeah exactly the shell the hands go sneak through little spots and that's what happened with him and andy sour and with our gloves oof so what happens when these like high level strikers come into high level like mama you know they think they're safe when you're fucking not you're not safe perfect example is go khan sake and kalil roundtree roundtree just snuck that beautiful straight left right down the pipe boom dropped him did you see roundtree in his last fight no holy shit Against Eric Anders this weekend?

[908] No, I didn't do.

[909] Holy shit, dude.

[910] Holy shit.

[911] Massacre.

[912] Pissed to shut out.

[913] It was the best he's ever looked.

[914] He went to Thailand.

[915] Apparently, after he got knocked out by Johnny Walker, he got hit with an elbow in the clinch, and decided really need to work on his clinch game.

[916] So he moved to Thailand.

[917] And he was there for the entire camp, put all this shit up on his Instagram, all these videos and training footage.

[918] He looked sensational.

[919] But when you see him live against Eric An, I mean, he came out like a Thai guy, light on the front leg, hands up in a class and just brutalized him brutalized him pitched a fucking shutout man against Anders who's a savage I watched it I mean I knew we knew roundtree was good but there was just a giant leap between the round tree of pre -tailand and post -tailand the most I've ever seen a guy improve in two fights amazing yeah look at the significant strike differential 63 more significant strikes he landed But it was the way he did it, man It was the highest significant strike differential That's crazy Oh, that's from that event That's all good and everything like that But it was what it looked like His switch kick to the inside thigh was insane It was so fast He's such a big guy man 205 man Yeah, as fast as he was No no telegraphing anything It was like Like over and over again And he was, you know, all Thai style.

[920] It was really interesting to watch, man. He just embraced it and came out way better.

[921] It was a surprise when he got Gokon like that, you know?

[922] But I also knew it could happen because it's not kickboxing.

[923] And I think Gokon's a stud kickboxing, man. That guy is fucking good at kickboxing, man. Oh, yeah.

[924] For his weight, the shit that he does, he moves like a 55 -pounder, you know?

[925] Yeah.

[926] I was surprising to see that, you know?

[927] Brown Tree has a ridiculously fast straight left.

[928] He caught Anders with it a bunch of times, too.

[929] He dropped him.

[930] least three times his background's wrestling or no he's a he's a striker yeah his background striking he's a beast man i mean it's just there's some i mean it'll be a while before anybody's excited about anybody fighting john jones because it's like what do you got you know you got a dude who's just there's certain guys like remember when anderson was in his prime and like what are you gonna who are you going to throw at him there was nobody there till wideman came along everybody that they threw at him you're like hmm what's anderson going to do you're like hmm what's anderson going to do dude to this dude when's aniston got a knock out yushin okami when's he going to connect on this guy yeah i think we're in that situation now with john you know we got uh the tiago santos fight that's coming up should be interesting yeah but it's just the interesting is that santos is a murderous striker what is he going to be able to connect that's that's what makes it interesting i think jones has some of the best defense the best wrestling grappling yeah and striking just doesn't get hit yeah distance side kick to your fucking kneecap is longer there and then when you fucking thinking about that sidekick boom left elbow to the eye orbital yeah it's a tough puzzle he's like and he's he doesn't he's not light on his feet he's just right there in front of you like an unmovable force you know it's just gonna stand right there in front of he's not gonna go back or nothing it's just and if he catches you catching a break you're trying to take a breath of air wap wap wap wap wap wap start pouring it on you so it's kicking your legs front kicking you in the body over and over and he sees you slowing down he's a predator man I wish, like, they can make a science experiment, make Mighty Mouse 205, make that fight happen.

[931] Or shrink John Jones and make that fight happen.

[932] Yeah, no shit, right?

[933] No shit.

[934] That would be crazy.

[935] That would be crazy.

[936] See, the thing is no 205 or can move like Mighty Mouse moves.

[937] You would have to see, how can Mighty Mouse move at 205?

[938] Yeah.

[939] Because the thing about him is, there's no gravity.

[940] There's no gravity fucking with him.

[941] Yeah.

[942] When he's 125, he's fucking cutting angles and he's, Where is he?

[943] You know, who he's on your legs.

[944] He can do everything.

[945] But it's technique, though, is also.

[946] That's what he gets to him.

[947] When I see him doing the thing, he kicks like a fucking tied dude, shoots a double leg like a fucking good wrestling dude.

[948] It's not like just an athletic guy that's explosive.

[949] Everything is done just right, you know?

[950] Same thing with John, you know.

[951] He's got great technique everywhere.

[952] Yeah, I mean, Matt Hume has produced some great fighters, but then there's Mighty Mouse.

[953] Like, he's produced some great talent, but then there's Mighty Mouse.

[954] He's, like, stands way out.

[955] And you've got to wonder, oh, is it Mighty Mouse?

[956] Is it Matt Hume put more emphasis on him?

[957] Is it a combination of things?

[958] Because usually when you get a guy that's that good, you get a gym that starts producing multiple champions like that.

[959] Usually, right?

[960] But that area, like, that pancreation's not known for having that kind of talent other than him.

[961] There's like him.

[962] Josh Barnett.

[963] Yeah, Josh Barnett came from there.

[964] But Josh's trained everywhere now.

[965] Josh started his career there, but he's basically been everywhere.

[966] Is Matt Hume open to, like, the public?

[967] Anybody can just walk in this?

[968] I think so.

[969] I mean, he has regular classes, the whole deal.

[970] But I know he gave a lot of specialized attention to Mighty Mouse.

[971] Also, he just felt like Mighty Mouse was a real sponge.

[972] You know, you really learns well.

[973] Yeah, for a fact.

[974] That guy does everything good, man. What do you think you're going to do when you retire?

[975] You don't think about it at all?

[976] I do think about it.

[977] The main thing is make sure that before I'm retired, my kids are set for life.

[978] With their universities, with their houses, all that.

[979] up that's number one go then when i retire i don't know i got a lot of options i could do you know i'm gonna see which one i'm gonna like the most because whatever i'm gonna do obviously nothing i'll love as much as fighting nothing don't make me wake up at six in the morning to go fucking run nothing will have that love in me when you ask about the longevity is just because i love it so much i don't have to work for it i just i love it i love what i do even hitting the bag for 35 40 minutes sometimes it's so fucking boring and monotonous but if i got the right music going on got me a little bit of water let's do it you know I might have fun doing it you know so I gotta just find something that my heart is solely in and I'm having fun I still haven't figured out what that is you know maybe skiing you know every time I go skiing the skiers are trying to recruit me they're like yo who is this guy man we need this guy over here in our team to win maybe skiing man that shit gets my blood pumping you know really you like skiing fucking love it man I hate it I love that I always worry about falling that's your problem that is my problem fucking snow man that's gonna happen you've been kicked in the head I know but everybody I know had their fucking ACL torn apart I've already had two knee reconstructions so when I go down the hill I'm like don't get hurt don't get hurt I think that didn't get hurt that's so crazy how brains think because I'm thinking there's no way I can get hurt when I'm on those things I'm just fucking going as fast as I can oh you're one of those guys yeah I'm like there's no way I can get hurt it's fucking snow but you could definitely get hurt yeah definitely I've had fucking well I was standing still like past my friends hey hey i slow down to to say what's up and just like some 70 year old man didn't see that i'm stopped not moving here and just fucking cloud plowed me into the kneecaps good thing they're somewhat flexible nothing tore nothing but it was like a good hit though you know like a good little low kick out of nowhere you know i worry about that with my kids some clawed hopper oh but if they start young though to forget about oh yeah no they're good They're already doing black diamonds Little fuckers Yeah Yeah But they're so low to the ground They're tiny You know the little skis and shit They can move bare No fear at that age either Once they're already fell on it once or twice I said oh dad it's just snow I watch some of those fucking men Going down those hills though Oh When they drop them off in the helicopter Oh my god Oh that's ridiculous I watched a video the other night Of a guy Went down this mountain That no one's ever skied down before They dropped him off at the top and he had to climb the first couple of feet down with the skis on before he got to this open shoot I was like what in the fuck are you doing he's climbing like you can't just ski there's rocks everywhere and shit that's great fuck you that blows my mind yeah go get a better hobby it's ridiculous sliding down a mountain I might I might end up in there one day not no time soon because those guys are a lifetime of skill but I wouldn't I wouldn't uh take it off you know like I'd love to ski one of those crazy mountains that are just fucking super duper steep and just rip it you know one thing about skiing is you could do it when you're old yeah because this lady who was uh teaching my daughter she was giving my daughter lessons at the ski place she was like deep into her 60s she's skiing great well they got technique technique you know they probably grew up in the snow i started skiing when i was like 30 you know so i got a lot of catching out to do yeah yeah it's uh i just know too like ari my friend ari he broke his wrist last year and he broke his ankle two years ago.

[980] He's always fucking himself up.

[981] Is that guy balls to the wall?

[982] I don't know.

[983] He probably has done mushrooms.

[984] That's a good time to ski, man. That's what I hear.

[985] That's the best time to ski.

[986] I know a couple people that have done it on mushrooms.

[987] They say you ski really, yeah, you like it?

[988] What's the best thing about skiing on mushrooms?

[989] Well, it could go both ways because it fucks up your depth perception.

[990] You know, when you're like on those other side of your bed.

[991] You don't know where the trees are.

[992] So the first time I did it, I was like super.

[993] super grandma you know like everybody's like what's wrong with you I'm like no no no just leave me the fuck alone because the snow is all the same too right so now it just fucks with your depth perception so bad you think it's here like the divvets in the snow yeah yeah because everything gets pixelated right oh you're really tripping hard then oh man and everything is like the same and I can't really see the bumps and then I don't see the bumps I just feel them and I'm whoa whoa all right I'm gonna need to tough this one out let's do it you know and then the next time I did the little less of a dosage had a blast you know yeah they say it's a it's a micro dose thing yeah just like don't take like three grams take like a half a gram yeah something like that well the first time i was i was doing the bro science and it was like oh yeah i think it's like four grams it's cool man let's go yikes on a fat on like a slight fast you know the problem with it that the vision thing when things when you do the mushrooms and things get pixelated where you see like almost like a matrix around you yeah that yeah i would imagine that that would fuck you up skiing you wouldn't be able to see all the creases in the snow and shit and then you just feel it all of a sudden you're like what the fuck have you ever snowboard i did it for like half a day i was pretty cool but i uh i used to ski like inline like in uh parks you know like on ramps on half pipes roller really yeah so i could like jump on rails and half pipes and uh i could even do like a front flip on my skates but this is not like 13 14 years oh yeah yeah so skiing came very easy to me snowboarding not so much because i didn't skateboard when i was a kid I skateboarded as a kid But I've never snowboarded But the people that do it They say it's easier to get better at snowboarding Than it is to get better at skiing They say it's like it's hard in the beginning But once you get it, it's easier to get better at Oh okay But when you fall A lot of latitudes fall This snowboard goes up in the air Your feet are stuck on it You land right on your fucking head A lot of people get knocked the fuck out Because you can't move your legs individually Like you can if you're skiing And you land on the tailbone a lot too a lot of people tell me yeah and if you're skiing and you land funky the skis snap loose and you can move your legs around no snowboard is strapped in there yeah you're strapped in no snowboard is this shit too there people go through the trees like fucking silver surfer that's fun man yeah but that's a rush the slowing down part with those seems different like less options to slow down oh I love all that shit anything against my heart pumping do uh skydive or anything crazy like that I haven't done the skydiving because I'm afraid of I've heard bad stories about the landing How you are with the skiing You got a couple of buddies that got hurt I got a couple buddies that got in hurt On the landing of skydiving I can't do that I'm fighting so Yeah, I'm fighting Woo!

[994] Have you had any knee problems?

[995] Yeah, numerous knee problems I've torn the meniscus A couple times on both knees From wrestling practice All from wrestling practice I'm sure Yeah Do you get them scoped or what did you do about it?

[996] I got a big fear of going to sleep anesthesia yeah really yeah I got a supreme fear that I don't want that in my life right now I'm not ready for that that's a sucky way to die go to sleep to get your knee fixed yeah that's a wrap see in heaven tweet tweet yeah yeah so you've just not yet not so you've just basically whatever meniscus tears your value just dealt with it just rehab and then I also heard from doctors you don't really need the meniscus it's just gonna fucking hurt like fuck so you don't really need meniscus that's what they told me like a lot of times instead of scoping it they cut it you know like I know a lot of athletes you just cut it you know They cut pieces of it, yeah.

[997] Especially depending on, like, if it's a bucket -handled tear or how bad the tear is.

[998] Like Mike Brown has, I know his meniscus cut.

[999] And he was the one that was telling me last time I fucked up my meniscus.

[1000] He's like, do not get his scope because then you're going to re -injury and you're going to be again through the whole thing.

[1001] Get it snipped out.

[1002] Get it cut out, you know?

[1003] So that's what he did?

[1004] He just got it cut out?

[1005] Yeah.

[1006] All of it?

[1007] Yeah.

[1008] Joe Romero, same thing.

[1009] I don't think Joe Romero has a meniscus.

[1010] Sure.

[1011] Yeah.

[1012] Because I've had numerous problems with my meniscus.

[1013] And I was about to go in and get the surgery.

[1014] And I was asking everybody to have the same problem.

[1015] And I was like, fuck it, well, I'm just going to rehab it.

[1016] I'll just do rehab.

[1017] And I did rehab for like four or five months and it got better.

[1018] Oh, wow.

[1019] Four or five months, huh?

[1020] Well, that was last year in 2018.

[1021] That's what I did a larger part of the year, just heal up injuries that I had, you know, just get better and better and better.

[1022] So when you say, like, rehab it, what kind of rehab are you doing for your meniscus?

[1023] What were you doing?

[1024] Like, where you go to the place and the guy tells you, like, he'll hold a towel.

[1025] and do like things like this okay different um yeah physical therapy yeah physical therapy you know right that's what i did and what is it what's your diet like uh man i got many of diets many of diets like when you're in training when you're training not when you're not when you knock out dar and till i'm sure you ate like a wild animal yeah for a fact i got many of diets at all time so i just kind of at 55 i used to have to diet so hard eight times to 10 weeks I would have to die to bring my body to like 173, 174, especially the last three, four years of my career, mixed with a lot of running.

[1026] You know, at 70 I don't have to do that.

[1027] So I'm still kind of strict.

[1028] I just stop eating after like a certain time, like 7 p .m. I stop eating.

[1029] You know, I wake up.

[1030] When's your last training session?

[1031] Depends.

[1032] It could be sometimes like I'll finish at around 10, 10, 30 night.

[1033] And I'll just drink.

[1034] At night?

[1035] Yeah.

[1036] So you don't need anything after you train?

[1037] No, I just drink a shit ton of water, you know?

[1038] This one I'm like I'm training, training.

[1039] I'm used to it, you know?

[1040] Because I used to do it at 50.

[1041] five couldn't gain weight so I just let's say I went for a run at like 10 o 'clock at night finish at 12 I just get back drink a shit ton of water wake up and then have my meal you know I don't need when I'm in training camp one thing that I notice um I don't like to uh have a big breakfast before I go train it fucks me up really slows me down the body's processing all that shit I just don't feel as accurate I could just wake up and go to the gym and do fine if I wake up eat till all that stuff then go to the gym it's not the same you know I'm lazy.

[1042] I'm like, ah, the energy, it takes your body to digest it.

[1043] That's legit.

[1044] Yeah, I always feel the same way.

[1045] I think you're better off just eating a little bit of fruit.

[1046] Yeah, a little bit of fruit.

[1047] Some pineapple, anything with sugar, some coffee, and go.

[1048] It's light, yeah.

[1049] I don't want my system actually having to dissolve things as I'm already dreaming.

[1050] That's why I'm surprised that you're running late at night and then you're not eating something, and then you're going through the entire night with no food and then a light breakfast.

[1051] And I'll burn right through it.

[1052] Like, I'm burning through fat in my sleep.

[1053] Do you have a nutrition?

[1054] do you consult or do you?

[1055] I had numerous ones at 155.

[1056] I had numerous ones.

[1057] And I took what each one gave me that was like, wow, this actually helped me for this or for this.

[1058] And I've jot those down on my book and I use those things still to this day.

[1059] There's some things that I use.

[1060] Then mixing with the stuff that I know works with me. You know, like I know for a fact, somebody numerous nutrition will tell me, no, but that's wrong.

[1061] You should just wake up at 6 in the morning, get a meal, and then at 8 in the morning, get another meal.

[1062] And then by 10 o 'clock, you're good to go.

[1063] Not, buddy.

[1064] I'm just going to go to the gym and I'm going to fucking feel amazing I don't need all those extra fucking meals And then after that I pick out And when I eat Man I'm like It's almost a religious experience for me I like to be very happy So if we go to a place to eat And I've never been in You're telling me This is the place right here This is where you want to eat at I'm getting everything on the fucking menu It looks I'll fill this fucking table up And I'm going to try everything And I'm going to know what's good at this place I don't like to put restrictions when I eat But I don't eat like that all day long You know So my one or two meals that I eat, they're powerful, you know?

[1065] So real light, but when you eat a big meal, you just go hog.

[1066] Yeah.

[1067] And then nothing after 7 p .m. at night.

[1068] Yeah, nothing after 7 p .m. Yeah, that's basically like intermittent fasting, really.

[1069] So you're mimicking that.

[1070] And then I saw that, the intermittent fasting, and started breaking down, like, the details of it, you know?

[1071] Because where I got it from is that when I was at 55, let's say I'd finish my workout at American Top Team.

[1072] I finished at 178 pounds.

[1073] fuck three weeks ago okay i get back home i'd eat a little sum because i just finished doing a two -hour workout and i put my sweats on and go run and i got to run 10 11 o 'clock at night and i run for like an hour i'd get back i'd touch down like to 172 maybe 1754 i couldn't eat i just drink water so i got used to that that regimen of not eating after my workouts you know and feeling fine the next day just a shit ton of water your body just got used to it yeah maybe electrolytes or whatever and then when those the intermittent fasting diet or the fasting came up and they put the science behind it i'm like oh no wonder it makes sense to me you know it's not that i'm a special mutant it's there's a science behind this you know yeah it's actually healthy for you your body needs breaks yeah yeah now when you're doing uh strengthening and things on those lines how often you're doing that a week um it depends where what stage i'm at in the fight from like 30 weeks out obviously or like 12 weeks out like right now lift weights, running, swimming, anything to just get my heart going.

[1074] I do a lot of kettlebells.

[1075] I like that.

[1076] It's like a full body workout.

[1077] And it's kind of like almost wrestling, you know, when you're getting in there in the reps and it's heavy.

[1078] If your technique's off, you just fucked up that rep. You wasted too much energy.

[1079] You're not going to get to those projections you want it to get.

[1080] And I got lucky down at the gym that I trained one of the kettlebell champions.

[1081] He's a world champion.

[1082] He's at the gym.

[1083] So he's shown me like a lot of technique.

[1084] and a lot of the grit behind it.

[1085] It's amazing.

[1086] I mean, this guy does incredible things, you know.

[1087] So it's huge for me, the kettlebells.

[1088] I like them, you know.

[1089] A lot of strength and conditioning, too, with my coach, Jesus guy.

[1090] We've been together for like 12 years, you know.

[1091] Yeah, I'm a big fan of kettlebells as well.

[1092] It's my favorite exercise tool.

[1093] If I pick one thing, I would say, give me a chin -up bar and kettlebells, and I'm good.

[1094] And grip back, and then the sheer coordination of it, you know, to pop them up in the air.

[1095] Making the whole body work as one whole unit.

[1096] And when you're tired and you can't fucking not concentrate because every one of those techniques, every one of those lifts has a severe technique behind it.

[1097] And if you fuck up, man, you fuck up your back, your shoulder.

[1098] You just throw your whole shit off, you know.

[1099] Yeah, yeah.

[1100] Now, what do you alter when you get closer to a fight?

[1101] Like, what do you eliminate?

[1102] Do you eliminate the weightlifting?

[1103] Do you...

[1104] The length of the training session, you know, as in when we're more out from the fight, we'll train for longer periods, two, three hours.

[1105] you know three hours always the max and maybe i'll do that twice in the day you know when i'm closer to the fight maybe an hour and a half tops tops two hours and maybe two of those in the day you know and then that's it you know i'm also 34 so i don't like uh not when i was like 26 that i could fucking train 10 hours in one day and wake up the next day like nothing happened you know so now i just i also listen to my body like man the last session beat me up i'm gonna do a one hour session now you know do you take your heart rate do you use heart rate variability monitors or anything like that no no nothing not i don't even know what you just said right now old school yeah it's um you know people are doing that to see what their heart rate is when they wake up you know see if uh like if your heart rate's inconsistent say if you have a resting heart rate of uh you know 40 beats per minute then you wake up one day it's 47 48 that might indicate that you're overtrained 52 53 would be a real good indication and you would probably want to either do active recovery that day or just take the day off maybe you even go for a light hike or something like that maybe i should invest in some of the stuff yeah there's a lot of thought behind that because uh sometimes people are getting sick and they don't realize it they're just too tough and they just push through it i feel flat today but what's really going on is your body's fighting something off yeah it makes perfect sense yeah how much uh sleep you're making sure you get a night for the larger part of my career because i'm i have uh sleeping problems like really bad i would seem like four or five hours and be fucking perfect man yeah be perfect never never have a problem you know as i started getting old i've been trying to force myself to see that's one big thing when my coaches and my management because they know how i sleep and uh like on fight week i'd be up in the lobby three in the morning and then go to seeb wake up at eight in the morning and no we got to change this you know so i've been trying to change that a lot and i just try to put myself in bed early and then i just stay in there you know i don't do nothing the phone's already off there's no tv in my room i'm just chinning there but this isn't fight camp this is not like like year round you know right and uh i'm just trying to go to sleep you know however long that takes does american top team have a float float tank no not yet but great idea they're working on it dan did you just hear joe rogan they need the fucking float bro get the float man why did i think they did were they thinking about it at one point in time is that what was going on they sure now dan get the fucking float joan needs to float you know we love you dan get that fucking tank in there baby i'll hook you up i'll get you to the right people float lab from joe now float lab at venice shout out to the float lap yeah the guy put my tank in here they're the best tanks man i'll show it to you afterwards they're so ridiculously over -engineered but when you get in them man you relax like it changes your world those things are fucking awesome i've done it like uh two or three times your fucking mind is there a good spot near you no not near me me like on the road yeah yeah yeah two hours up north that sucks yeah dan should open up a spot down there i mean it's it'd be great for fighters as long as you keep them from jacking off in there that's problem you get a little too relaxed certain guys that are ready flag like now so -and -so can't come in these waters man you gotta you gotta evacuate my brother you gotta have a passport for these waters sir yeah there's certain dudes that are just freaks you gotta be careful with them Athletic freaks and fucking freak freaks double freaks yeah well you you guys have how many people at your gym you probably have one of the freakyest gyms ever in terms of of talent overall talent How many fighters are there?

[1106] I don't know, man. Sometimes I get to the pro classes and there's like 50 pro fighters on the mat, you know?

[1107] 40 pro fighters on the mat because the main mat and the other main mat are covered in the cages, covered in the square cage where I'm always training at, which fits like another 10 people is completely covered with pro athletes, you know?

[1108] And that that we have, we have the 11 o 'clock to like 1245 session and then on different session for like either the lighter or the bigger guys will come.

[1109] coming at a different session you know and then we got guys throughout the day doing their individual training so it's just crazy how much of your time is spent doing group classes versus how much of it is time individual specialized stuff like say working on something a combination land on till or you know what you're planning for ascran group classes will be more like uh well i won't really learn it's not that i can't learn too much but i'm not like my mike brown for example which which is the guy that runs my my camp at american something he's a great guy not only is he's a great guy but his brain is he's the like Elon musk of like fighting and shit man his his ideas are fucking dope solid and like way ahead of their time always you know a lot of stuff that we're seeing now mike brown's been preaching to us for like a while so he knows me pretty well he knows man masford all can only do about two moves a day so if he's going to show me something he show me one to two moves tops and i just i'm a driller I'll just drill those moves as many times it takes me for me to get them.

[1110] And that's like my group setting, you know, that's like, okay, go just drill this.

[1111] And he knows that I need at least an hour of drilling with a brand new move for me to get it, you know?

[1112] And then after that, just go live with whoever's in the class, you know, whoever they brought for me. Now, when you say you drill a lot, like are you drilling a lot, striking drills, MMA drills, wrestling drills, basically everything.

[1113] You just constantly drill.

[1114] I'm a driller.

[1115] I drill a ton.

[1116] and I go live a ton, but I like to compliment it with a lot of drilling.

[1117] I just feel that I'm always at my best game when I drill.

[1118] Now, sometimes I take away from drilling completely because I feel drilled out like, man, I've been drilling so much.

[1119] I just want to go live now, you know, but I'm usually every day that I'm in the gym, I'm drilling a particular technique, you know?

[1120] I think that's so important.

[1121] Oh, it's super important.

[1122] For every martial art, jiu -jitsu, anything?

[1123] Martial art, sport, you know, you're drilling your free throws or whatever it is.

[1124] You have to just drill it to your body nose.

[1125] how to do it without thinking about it yeah that's why when you see guys that just spar too much and all they want to do is spar like man you know you're you're you're you're decreasing your chances of successing it to think you're you're enjoying yeah because you're just not spending enough time focusing on the fundamentals and techniques got to sharpen the tools yeah and keep those tools like keep moving them around like keep adding to them of course driving guys fucking nuts when you just drill and eventually you hit that a thousand mark it's not the same when you were doing it five six times you know i'm giving out too much wisdom now these people are going to know what's up but that's the way to do it's drilling it's it's boring so people don't enjoy it as much it's not nearly exciting i'm the only sociopath and you could ask mike brown i enjoy drilling you know i had a good pace good speed where we're just going and it's almost like a lie where i'm just drilling that move but i'm giving all my energy into it i love it man well you're also aware that that's going to bring you success yeah oh of course but i just i just love it you know the sheer making sure that my penetration step is right or my left hand was up when i threw my right hand and my coach goes hey good job do it again okay bam that i fucking love it man now you when you have a fight coming up like say with askeran are you watching footage on him no i don't watch footage my uh mike brown balina nandez gairo though they'll watch footage uh and tell me what to do and what to do you know like for the till fight same thing you know or maybe they'll send me like a clip that they wanted to see me like when uh woodley fought till they're like look how woodley uh countered him with this on or look what till they're there there's something like little clips and I'm watching but to watch fights no I don't really watch like my opponent's fight now what about recovery do you guys uh do do you get a lot of massage do you do any shit like that I do uh I've always done ice baths you in there throughout my career but thanks to my my good friend Michael Miller I try to do them a lot more which I still need to do them more you know a good two three times a week is when I feel like at my best son I use you for recovery you know especially after like a lot of the guests you've had in your show i've always done the sauna to cut weight and knew that it had great benefits and training in the sauna but i didn't know the science behind it then you have like uh dr ron de patrick come in and it's like mind blowing yeah this all makes sense why the sauna is so amazing why i feel great after i use the sauna maybe not immediately because after a two hour wrestling practice or striking practice and then you go in the sauna because you're like heavy and want you to work got in there you feel like shit afterwards yeah but surprisingly the next day i don't feel that bad or the day after that and i just thought nothing of it you know just fucking whatever man it's just i feel good today i had a great breakfast i guess but i started thinking about times that i was implementing the son a lot in my training regimen to times i wasn't and i was like wow the sauna thing's amazing for everything you know yeah no it's huge it's giant for reduction of inflammation and there was that study that they did in was it norway or swede or somewhere where they said there's a 40 % decrease in mortality amongst all causes stroke heart attack cancer everything for people that yeah 40 % decrease in mortality for people that use the sauna I think it was four times a week for 20 minutes at a time at 180 degrees I think that was the study that they ran and they just showed that and 80 degrees yeah so they just they which is you know normal temperature anywhere between 170 and 190s where a lot of people have their sauna set uh but they said that that in that hot range for 20 minutes, your body produces so many heat shock proteins that it just helps with so many different health problems.

[1126] Yeah.

[1127] When I heard Ms. Patrick going to say all those things, my fucking mind blew up.

[1128] Yeah, it's crazy, right?

[1129] It's like, I'll never have to take pharmaceutical drugs.

[1130] Nobody's ever going to tell me you need these pills to survive.

[1131] Right, right.

[1132] And then people that hear this, do they doubt it?

[1133] You know, they have one pro -fight attorney.

[1134] Joe Rogan telling you, and they had a doctor telling you.

[1135] You want to cure problems.

[1136] just going the sun.

[1137] Yeah, man, people with arthritis.

[1138] And, you know, another thing that's great is cryotherapy.

[1139] Cryotherapy is great for people with inflammation issues, too.

[1140] Anything where you can get your body freaking out about temperature.

[1141] Your body freaks out about temperature, whether it's cold or hot, your body produces cold shock or heat shock proteins.

[1142] And then that really helps your body reduce inflammation.

[1143] That's fucking insane.

[1144] You just feel better, too, right?

[1145] You get out of it, you're like, ah, it's feel better.

[1146] Yeah.

[1147] Even when I'd be sucked out, like, man, I feel like fucking shit.

[1148] I just lost fucking four or five pounds of water after a practice in the sun and you feel like shit But then I take a bath and then go to sea wake up the next day feeling good, you know I put the water back in the system obviously But I would just feel good and I didn't quite know why this is happening, you know Like let's say I got kicked in my elbow my elbow would blow up and then for some reason that day I had fucking 45 minutes of in the sauna because that's what my coaches thought I needed The swelling would dramatically go down but I wouldn't attribute to that I just be like oh shit That's crazy, bro.

[1149] I'm fucking Wolverine, you know.

[1150] Well, I'm sure being Wolverine had something to do with it.

[1151] But the sauna had something to do with it, too.

[1152] Now, as you're getting, you know, you're one of the top contenders in the division now, and as things kind of heat up, are you having to do more media obligations before your big fights now?

[1153] No. No?

[1154] Because I just fucking say no, man. Do you?

[1155] Yeah, man, I'm fucking...

[1156] What if you get a fight for the title?

[1157] They're probably going to make you do all that shit, won't they?

[1158] You want this circus show?

[1159] This is how it comes, buddy.

[1160] You know, because I can't do all that shit.

[1161] I'm going to fucking fly to L .A., fly to New York, fly here.

[1162] Wrecks you, right?

[1163] I want to pay.

[1164] Now, don't get me wrong, I'm a fucking soldier for the money.

[1165] You're going to pay me for these fucking numerous TV outlet stores you got me going to and selling products?

[1166] I'll do it, man. And I don't want to sound like I'm not a company, man. But I like to get paid for my services.

[1167] If I got to be talking to numerous people, that's not what I signed up for.

[1168] I signed up to punch people in the face.

[1169] Right.

[1170] Let's get that right.

[1171] You know, if I got to get speeches out, giving out my secrets of wisdom, pay me some money for that.

[1172] Cool, I'll do whatever you want then.

[1173] Yeah.

[1174] Well, it definitely takes away from you, too.

[1175] So much time, so much energy you have in this life.

[1176] No, it definitely takes away.

[1177] Yeah.

[1178] Definitely takes away.

[1179] And I feel also like the guys that are constantly putting stuff out there, right?

[1180] Shit, man, people get bored.

[1181] You fucking just putting shit out there, you know?

[1182] And certain people are putting certain things out there.

[1183] there they fucking they gravitate these things this guy's not on a lot of talk shows or whatever i want to hear what he had to say in this particular if you're constantly like this guy's an ass one this guy's an ass and everybody already knows the notification comes in there already fucking put you on mute you know right right right and you did that to yourself yeah nobody to blame but yourself you little instagram whore and i'm not talking about to the ladies i would never talk to a lady like that i'm talking about to the dudes that are fucking straight sluts yeah to my ladies i love you long thying me loving you always When you have been in the game as long as you have and have been as successful as you have, you have information that is very valuable to young fighters.

[1184] They can learn shit from you without having to experience a lot of the negative things that you've experienced.

[1185] Without having some of the mistakes that you've made, you know, some of the things you learned that were positive, you could teach people.

[1186] But oftentimes as fighters get older than retire, all that knowledge just goes away.

[1187] It just gets lost because the fighters either don't become a coach or don't ever write it down or don't do interviews.

[1188] I think a guy like you in particular, because you're a very crafty fighter, you have a lot of valuable information for young people, for young guys coming up.

[1189] Oh, I do.

[1190] I know it.

[1191] You know how I got that information?

[1192] Putting myself in uncomfortable spots, you know.

[1193] I went to the University of Wyoming, which I loved that experience.

[1194] It's higher than Colorado.

[1195] And I'm with a D1 national program, ran by Mark Branch I mean David Branch And Chris Pendleton These guys are fucking studs And they let me come in there I'm just some MMA fucking fighter man You know And they let me come in to stay with them For about a month And just wrestle And be a part of the program So I learned what worked At the high level or not Because I might think When you get a single leg I could backflip out of it I might think And I go over here to this university I'm gonna find that if it works or not And there's the same thing I went to the state, the University of Oregon, got to wrestle over there.

[1196] I've done a lot of high -level boxing camps with good boxers, just being around them, amateur world champions, gold medalists.

[1197] You know, in Miami were a hub for the Cuban crime wave of great boxers.

[1198] You know, you get all these guys that are Olympians that come in there, and I'd be at the gym with them picking their brain, getting beat up by them learning since I was young.

[1199] So for the boxing fundamentals, I got very, very lucky.

[1200] I didn't even know what I had to me at that axis because I'd be working out with gold medalist World Champions.

[1201] It was insane, you know?

[1202] So I think one thing I would tell any young fight, if you want to learn something, submerge in it.

[1203] You know, if I want to learn Jiu -Jitsu, I'm not going to go to Rex Kwon -Doh, I'm going to fucking go find the dopest jiu -git -to -guy and get humbled.

[1204] You know, a lot of people don't like to get humbled.

[1205] I don't want to go with that guy's really good at wrestling.

[1206] No, man. Shut the fuck up.

[1207] Put the eagle aside and go get humbled.

[1208] Learn.

[1209] Because the more time you put into that craft, eventually whatever is bad will get good if you put the time into it you know and a lot of people don't like to do that and i think even more nowadays that i see on the mat now with the egos and the social media and like people filming and shit there's a lot of pro fighters that i see sitting out that don't want to do the wrestling class because a couple wrestling studs just walked in through the door so there's like two types of guys that when i see these all -american and national champions i'm like whoa today's going to be a good practice these guys are my weight i better be on my a game man I'm put some good music on.

[1210] This shit's going to get crazy.

[1211] Or there's the guys that when they walk in, they're like, nah, I don't need it, you know.

[1212] Anyways, I'm not fighting the rest of it.

[1213] I don't need it.

[1214] Me, I'm always hyped for the challenge, you know, to push myself to the fucking sheer limit and see what comes out of that, you know?

[1215] So you think a lot of it is just a mentality to embrace struggle and embrace difficult moments and embrace the opportunity to learn and grow.

[1216] Yes, and unfortunately, in this sport, you don't have to get a concussion.

[1217] Because in boxing, you don't take me wrong.

[1218] You don't have to spar hard to be a good striker.

[1219] You don't.

[1220] But there's certain things like wrestling.

[1221] You got to wrestle hard.

[1222] You got to drill hard.

[1223] You did the same thing.

[1224] You got to drill hard.

[1225] You got to get, you're going with Marcelo Garcia.

[1226] You're going to get fucking tapped a bunch of times.

[1227] Guess what, buddy?

[1228] Who cares, bro?

[1229] Learn that humbling experience.

[1230] Enjoy that.

[1231] You know, if you get a chance to roll with a guy like that, take full advantage of it.

[1232] And nowadays, it seems like a lot of, sometimes people don't want to do that.

[1233] You know, like I'm in the mix alone.

[1234] I'm in one of the biggest gyms.

[1235] And I see sometimes guys don't want to take those challenges in, you know, like a top -notch MMA fighter, go straight wrestling with some college wrestler, some high school kid that's just a stud at wrestling, you know, do that.

[1236] Put yourself in that uncomfortable position.

[1237] See what happens, bro, you know?

[1238] Do you think you'll ever be a coach?

[1239] I could be, you know.

[1240] I got a couple of amateurs that I got.

[1241] I got my boy Charlie Decker.

[1242] That's that, he's also like a friend in the amateur and he's doing good things in amateur and now he's going to go pro.

[1243] He's going to fucking, he's going to tear it up, man. One day, hopefully he'll be in your showman get an interview guys got a lot of talent but um i don't know i don't know if i'll be a coach it's a full time job it's a full time job and you got to be committed to somebody right and if they don't have the same mentality that you had you're going to get frustrated and i am sometimes fighters don't like to pay man what are you going to do now you got to collect from a fighter she's going to get crazy man i don't like to pay i don't like to pay and you know something about me joe i like money man if i work i better get paid man because if i don't get paid it's going to be a fucking problem man it's going to be a fucking problem but there's a lot of fighters that do pain that are fucking amazing and that are the most straight -edge dudes you know yeah i mean you certainly a guy like you if you ever did decide to be a coach you would have a lot of uh choices yeah but do you think but what i'm getting at is that in the very least you should write some of this shit down like the way what you learned is it yeah we got the the street survival series coming out volume one two and three is going to drop very soon books DVDs everything everything's coming out that's good to hear man you should write when it's coming out but it's coming out soon though you should write a book about your experience music just just going from the backyard fights that people could see on the internet with kimbo to where you are today it's pretty fucking incredible oh it's amazing that's what an incredible rise to the top yeah and you know what's something i could tell all the young fighters before anybody saw this before anybody told me in youtube or anything i saw it up here i invested in myself i believed in myself that's why i put myself in these tough situations to go with the best wrestler in the workout room the best striker from the world and just constantly get there because i knew the difference between me and them was only time i just had to put in time where'd you develop this mentality where'd you get it where'd i get it maybe god opened up my mind and just gave me the message you're just growing up very humble and just fucking wanting certain things that i didn't have and just like i'm gonna i'm gonna get this but understanding that really just takes work just really understanding it yeah really just takes work really just takes work Yeah, it really takes work, and it really takes the right mindset.

[1244] Not just the work itself, but the way you're embracing difficult challenges.

[1245] Instead of shying away from them to protect your ego, you're doing the opposite.

[1246] Got's too.

[1247] It's the only way.

[1248] It's the only way.

[1249] I'm in combat sports.

[1250] In combat sports.

[1251] Tennis, maybe there's another way.

[1252] I'm not coaching tennis.

[1253] Right.

[1254] But as long in combat sports is you're not being set up, but someone's going to fucking murder you when you're first starting out.

[1255] Exactly.

[1256] With striking.

[1257] That's not what you want.

[1258] You don't want to get, yeah.

[1259] I've got 10 pro fights.

[1260] It's your first day here and I break your nose.

[1261] That doesn't do anything, you know.

[1262] Right, right.

[1263] But it's just embracing those challenges, whether it be running a mile in six minutes or drilling for two hours long, just two techniques because you're kind of dumb and you've fucking got to just do it over and over and over and over.

[1264] Embrace it, you know?

[1265] I'm glad you're going to put some of this information out.

[1266] I think this is something that, as I was saying, like a guy like you that's been in the game for a long, long time and you've learned a lot about what it takes to become a world -class fighter that that information a lot of times just goes away when that fire retires i mean so many fighters have retired and you don't really know too much about the process or what they learned well on we got a documentary he's been filming for about three years but we've had trouble when uh the ufc sold it to like ehp and getting all the rights and and and things that go associated with dropping documentary and in that documentary um i told them from from the start when we were going to do it if we're going to do it i want it done right and meaning i want a lot of control over it and i i want a lot of of training you know i want a lot of the things that are doing training to get me in shape some people find it cool some people won't so in that documentary there's a lot of just how i straight up training you know like a lot of the cuban mythology that goes behind it from my from my coaches that are cuban what what we like to do to prepare for the fight how we break it down do you do different shit than than people normally see uh uh in the preparation yeah actually you you know joel well you know and uh and stuff joel my my coach which used to train joel as well and in a lot of the cuban community they have a big uh especially if they grew up in cuba they have that big conspiracy theory like nobody else they whenever i'm hitting pads or anything like that i'm about to fight somebody you will never see me do a technique on the pads that i will do in the fight i shouldn't even say it's because my coach is going to slap me in the face you will never see me do anything it might resemble anything i do in the fight And he lives by that, you know, he doesn't, he's another guy that just shies away from cameras, hates cameras.

[1267] He's always in my corner.

[1268] He's got a yellow bandana or something yellow, and he's been in my corner, Joel's corner, numerous guys' corner.

[1269] And they're very, like, secretive of the training, you know.

[1270] They think that everybody's watching.

[1271] They are.

[1272] You know, they think America might invade Cuba still.

[1273] They might.

[1274] Who knows, right?

[1275] So the training footage, they don't want that leaking out, you know.

[1276] And most of my career have been like that, you know.

[1277] But for the documentary, we open up on a lot of things that I, they're.

[1278] we do for training for like from reflexes to ways to recover how we spar how i set up the sparring things like that you know what kind of shit do you do this unusual uh not unusual i guess i would say but i don't know i could we could do like two hours of boxing right just straight boxing and we would just break down fundamentals i would just do two hours just straight basics which is fucking boring but it's just like endurance mixed with the technique you know we do also a lot of right from here from this chair we'll punch from here hit the pads from here from the chair from the chair yeah just our core and arms with the pads with the gloves just go five minute rounds without using your legs without using the legs you try it out and you tell me how that feels you know it's fucking great you know like right now for that I'm gonna get kicked in the fucking leg pretty hard you know he's when I tell you he's when I tell you this man And it's secretive.

[1279] How's he going to feel about the documentary?

[1280] He doesn't know how much he's getting into the documentary.

[1281] Because he's very like, this is for us.

[1282] You know, why would you release is why you're still fighting?

[1283] Releases when you're done fighting type guy, you know?

[1284] Why do you want to release it?

[1285] Why are you still fighting?

[1286] I mean, fucking, you can't stop the sun from rising.

[1287] You're not going to stop me if you know my techniques, you know?

[1288] It's not going to change anything.

[1289] That's what's coming is coming, you know.

[1290] That's a beautiful way to look at it.

[1291] Well, listen, brother, I'm glad we got together and did this, man. I appreciate you as a fighter.

[1292] You're an interesting cat, and I wish you nothing but the best, and I'm very excited to see that fight.

[1293] That's right, my mom.

[1294] Try to reach.

[1295] All right.

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[1301] Oh, is that a three piece of a soda shirt?

[1302] You made a fucking shirt after it.

[1303] Made the shirt after it.

[1304] I got to get paid.

[1305] because fighting does all right, but it doesn't really pay us how we should, you know?

[1306] I hear you.

[1307] Where does someone get that shirt?

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[1310] Hold on, we'll figure this out.

[1311] I actually know where to get these.

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[1313] Same thing, right?

[1314] Yes, sir.

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[1316] Gamebredofficial .com.

[1317] But at the end of this week, the website's fully running and stuff.

[1318] You get all the shirts you want.

[1319] Get yourself a three piece in a soda, ladies and gentlemen.

[1320] Thank you, brother.

[1321] That was awesome.

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