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[83] This podcast was with me and Cameron Haynes.

[84] This is a podcast we did in a car.

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[88] from a successful hunt and uh cameron is a very famous bow hunter so if you're not into any of that and uh that kind of stuff bums you out you don't have to listen this podcast like i'm why would i even have to say that like you don't have to listen to that's i'm a ridiculous person don't mind me um so this is what the podcast is it's a conversation between two dudes coming back from bear hunting um so that's it so ladies and gentlemen my friend Cameron haines Joe Rogan podcast checking out the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day down right there I'm in a car right now with Cameron Haynes Rick Corroo Jenny Rivets on the camera Rick's on the camera I got this recording too I'm gonna release this as an audio podcast and we're coming back right now from a successful a bear hunt in Alberta.

[89] Good times up there, up in the middle of the woods.

[90] And we were just talking about the contradictions.

[91] Like the things that people hate on, on hunting and how ridiculous it is.

[92] And one of the ones that drives me the most crazy is people that claim they're animal lovers and so they, you know, they get really mad at you for hunting.

[93] But they have pets.

[94] And, you know, like, what do you feed these pets?

[95] What do you think this food grows on a dog food tree?

[96] What do you think cats eat?

[97] It doesn't.

[98] No, it doesn't.

[99] Yeah.

[100] You're buying some animal that somebody captured.

[101] I mean, they probably have them in cages somewhere, pens, and then they kill them, and they grind them up, and they turn them into dog food.

[102] And those people will claim that what you're doing by going out in the wild and getting an animal is either unethical or immoral or terrible.

[103] and those contradictions, those like the ones that are right in front of your face, those have always puzzled me about people.

[104] Which the pursuit of what we were just doing is so much more pure than whatever goes into the dog food or the factory farming or whatever.

[105] But first, before we get in that, what about the hunt?

[106] It was an awesome hunt.

[107] Got two bears, one the day before it last and one yesterday.

[108] It was awesome.

[109] Very exciting, very crazy.

[110] And the meat was delicious.

[111] Jenny cooked it up, taught me a new recipe.

[112] How to do, what did you put in it?

[113] You stir -fried it, but what did you put in it?

[114] What were the ingredients?

[115] Some bacon, onions, peppers, a bunch of spices.

[116] It was awesome.

[117] All anybody who was eating, it was raving about how good it was.

[118] I mean, whatever deer elk steak you've had before, it would rival that.

[119] It's really good.

[120] Such good bear meat.

[121] I mean, bear meat has a stigma.

[122] little bit but it is prepared right just as gin proved amazing food well i you know i wrote that thing on social media the hierarchy of dead animals on social media and that like the one that no one cares about is chopped up fish like if you have a slice of fish like a filet of fish it doesn't bother them if you have fish live that's a life right it is a life okay but as long as it's a piece it's already cut up we're so desensitized we're so used to that being in a package in styrofoam at the supermarket.

[123] We don't think of it as being something that somebody killed.

[124] The filet of fish sandwich.

[125] Filet of fish sandwich.

[126] Well, who knows what that is, right?

[127] It's a square.

[128] Allegedly it's fish, I think.

[129] It's somehow mashed into a square.

[130] That's the same weight every time.

[131] It doesn't make any sense, right?

[132] I've never caught a flail fish sandwich in the wild.

[133] No, in the wild.

[134] They're very crafty.

[135] Only McDonald's knows how to wrangle those suckers.

[136] So then there's dead fish, which some people get a little more equipment.

[137] you see the actual fish and then there's things like like pigs that people really don't care too much about wild boar people kind of get grossed out by them turkeys nobody gives a shit about turkeys very talked about this i don't but even even anti -hunters don't so they're just like yeah those there's i think because they're so ugly who cares if they're dead it's kind of what the anti -hunters you know we talked about it the more beautiful the animal yeah the more outrage Yeah.

[138] Is that it kind of?

[139] There's a lot of that, for sure.

[140] Well, with bears, bears are one of the big ones.

[141] And I think there's a couple reasons that.

[142] I think one, bears, people associate bears with trophy hunting.

[143] And I know one of the things about you is that you eat everything you kill.

[144] Yeah.

[145] And I think that's important.

[146] I really do.

[147] I mean, I don't have any problem with people that want to go and shoot some weird animal because they want to make a collection, you know.

[148] Because I know that there's, in conservation money, a lot of those animals is a reason why their populations are thriving.

[149] And that's the case in Africa.

[150] That Louis Thoreau podcast, or a podcast that I did, but it's his documentary that he did on those African hunting ranches.

[151] People that hate those ranches, when you find out about it, it's not that clear cut.

[152] There's a lot of, there's a lot of weirdness to that whole thing because there's animals that were on the verge of extinction that are not.

[153] now thriving and the only reason why they're thriving is because they have a dollar value to them yeah no i mean that's i mean there's value to the animals here in the united states also and sure and hunters are the ones that and as we've covered a million times of my podcast with you i'm sure you talked about with jim shockey and any hunter you have on you talked about you talked about the positive impact of hunting and hunter's money it's you know i don't know so you go beyond all that You go beyond the challenge and the hunt.

[154] What I liked about this hunt for you, and you can still talk about your hierarchy of animal kills if you want, but you talked about, I want to just touch on the intensity of the moment.

[155] You know, this hunt, yeah, it is about, you're taking a cooler full of meat home.

[156] We ate meat at camp, and it was amazing.

[157] But there's just that primal instinct of being in the woods.

[158] We're in close.

[159] We hadn't had, you know, because of the weather and the moon and all sorts of factors, we weren't seeing the bear like we had in the past.

[160] And so all this anxiety is building, all this time is passing in you're wondering, are we going to see anything?

[161] And then as, you know, basically dusk is approaching, we see our first bear.

[162] And so then all of a sudden, it's a race against a clock.

[163] And what you talked about the intensity or, you know, or what that feels like, you can't, you can't mimic that feeling in regular life, right?

[164] No, you can't.

[165] And you also know.

[166] There's something about when you come to full draw on an animal, you can't pull that arrow back once it's released.

[167] And there's a decision that you have to make where you're lining up a shot and you're making sure that your fundamentals are in order, your technique is good.

[168] And the animal's moving, by the way.

[169] The animal's not cooperating.

[170] Has no idea it's even participating in this little experiment.

[171] And you've got to make a good shot.

[172] It's disciplined.

[173] It is discipline.

[174] And, you know, thankfully, every animal I've shot so far with a bow, I've killed.

[175] But there's a lot involved in that.

[176] That's a lot of practice.

[177] I mean, I shot at least 190 arrows yesterday.

[178] At least.

[179] We're just practicing over and over and over again.

[180] And everybody else in camp was doing the same thing.

[181] Everybody's practicing, practicing for hours we practiced.

[182] All for that one moment where that bears right in front of you.

[183] and he turns broadside and you get that perfect shot and that feeling is crazy it's so primal and there's nothing that mimics it and then when the arrow goes like I was telling Jen after we shot the bear last night like right after it happened I go I don't even feel like that happened it didn't feel like it happened it felt it felt fake it was it felt like like a dream or something It's weird.

[184] Yeah, well, it does happen so quickly.

[185] What happens, I think, with a lot of new archers, new bow hunters, is that's exactly right.

[186] The animal comes in, all the practice they put in.

[187] Sometimes it's so intense, and as we've alluded to, regular life doesn't prepare you for those type of moments.

[188] I know as a new bow hunter, I would come back, shoot, not even be certain which pen I used if the animal was, and just be like, what the heck just happened?

[189] Yeah.

[190] What just, what happened?

[191] I don't remember anything and you got to try to piece it together.

[192] And it's just, that's where the fundamentals come in.

[193] And, you know, as we were sitting there that first night or the third night of the hunt, actually, and the bear came in, you know, I was, you get there, you get cold.

[194] You start putting on more clothes.

[195] You get a hood on.

[196] And then the bear comes in.

[197] And I was asking you, I was like, can you shot with your glove on before?

[198] And I just wanted to make sure.

[199] because it doesn't seem like a big deal, it's a big deal.

[200] When the success, the line between success and failure on an animal when you're using a razor -shot rodhead can be this thin sometimes.

[201] A glove, doing something a little bit different when you shoot, that can be the difference.

[202] And on your bear, fatal shot died quickly, but it wasn't exactly where you'd hoped it would be.

[203] Even though you shot thousands and thousands of reps, you know, over the last two years, who knows how many shots.

[204] and it was only at 15 yards, and still it wasn't a perfect shot.

[205] No, it was slightly back, and so we weren't sure what had happened.

[206] We heard the thing run and then crash, and then we heard the death moan about 30 seconds later.

[207] So we knew it was dead, but we didn't know where.

[208] And so then we had to go on the blood trail, and by then, I shot the bear about, it was about dark.

[209] It was just turning dark.

[210] Yeah.

[211] So from then on.

[212] Still legal light, how old?

[213] It was legal light.

[214] It was legal light.

[215] light, I have lighted knocks, which means like when the bow releases the arrow, the knock where the arrow hits the string, it lights up, which is really cool.

[216] So you could see exactly the path of the arrow.

[217] So I could see where it hit.

[218] If I didn't have lighted knocks, it would just be, I don't know where it hit.

[219] It would just be guessing.

[220] That's a big advantage because there's been kind of a, even in Oregon, lighted knocks where I'm from, lighted knocks aren't legal.

[221] And it doesn't give you an advantage.

[222] No. It helps.

[223] You know, just like that.

[224] We knew, I was watching the binoculars, we knew immediately a little bit back.

[225] Yeah.

[226] So that kind of, that plays into the approach we're going to take on the animal and tracking it.

[227] But knowing where that animal hits is huge.

[228] Anyway, we knew you're a little bit back.

[229] Yeah, we saw the arrow go through the night and right into the bear.

[230] Yeah.

[231] Through the, it was like dusk.

[232] Yeah.

[233] And, you know, and then we went, tracked it down, took a long time, and found it, and Cam carried it out.

[234] his shoulders covered in blood all the way down the back of his pants it was but it was a huge relief to find the animal it's all mental it's all mental he says that's the theme of this week what stay tuned for those shirts yeah that's the next shirt it's all mental including doing things you probably shouldn't do like having bare blood on your hand and eating chips it's all mental it pretty much it encompasses everything in life it's all mental i think yeah yeah anyway but It was, you know, tracking that bear, so we're on our hands and knees, through thick, thick brush, you know, looking for pinpricks of blood.

[235] Because even though, I mean, we knew the bear was dead, but we walked down there, and I told Joe, I'm like, we had to get on the blood trail.

[236] We heard the death of him, but it'd been about 200 yards away, and we're like, I said he could be anywhere.

[237] It was dark.

[238] We could be five yards from him and not know.

[239] So we had to get back on the blood trail and unravel that thing.

[240] And that's a big part of bone hunting also.

[241] That's a, you know, a huge part of bow hunting.

[242] And it's woodsmanship.

[243] It's learning how to unravel a blood trail, where to look for blood, depending on where the arrow hits, where that blood's going to either wipe on a tree, how it's going to splatter, how it's going to drip, if it's going to run down the leg.

[244] You know, bear don't have a hoof like a deer elk so they're not leaving a real print.

[245] So it was difficult.

[246] But, you know, I think about midnight, we finally recovered that bear, and we rejoiced.

[247] Yeah, it's interesting because when we first started looking for it, we could still see.

[248] It was still bright enough that we could see through the woods, and we were trying to look for it.

[249] And then we realized, you know what, we better start from scratch.

[250] We better, because we kind of knew we heard it drop and we heard the moan, so we knew it was in an area.

[251] When we say moan, for people don't know, when bears die, they, most of the time, they make a real audible moan.

[252] It can be pretty haunting in dark woods.

[253] You hear this.

[254] You know, everybody, everybody who got us down.

[255] That sounds more like Sasquatch.

[256] No, Sasquatch is like this.

[257] Oh.

[258] Okay.

[259] So what if we actually can kill Sasquash?

[260] I wonder what you'd do.

[261] He'd probably like, dude, what the fuck?

[262] I'm just a guy out here.

[263] Yeah, with this costume on.

[264] We're trying to make a TV show.

[265] I'm just working with Les Stroud out here in the woods.

[266] Trying to make some money.

[267] Shot my ass.

[268] Thank you.

[269] But what we were talking about the stigma attached to bear hunting is that Steve Ronella coined this phrase.

[270] Charismatic megafauna.

[271] And is there certain...

[272] That's a hell of a phrase, by it.

[273] That's Rinella.

[274] He's very articulate.

[275] If you had that on a shirt, it would take up a lot of space.

[276] Yeah, it's not, Steve, you got a short enough stuff up.

[277] We got to keep it simple.

[278] Yeah, if you want to have shirts that sell well on social media.

[279] You're not going to sell any of those.

[280] But it's all mental.

[281] People can get behind that.

[282] There you go.

[283] Charismatic megafauna sounds like an indie band from Seattle.

[284] I bet Caitlin would wear one of those.

[285] She probably would.

[286] Note how I said she.

[287] We're talking about Bruce Jenner.

[288] I did the It's Caitlin with the C Yes Is that not normal I got that wrong yesterday Oh they usually used K?

[289] No I said I said something Or I typed it It was like with the K And they're like no C Get it right Well you can't Commit to it Because she might change Tomorrow and decide to be Debbie You know Once she lives 65 years As Bruce And then one day Or Caitlin All bets are off Yeah you don't know What they do Whatever the fuck she wants Yeah Or he or whatever He prefers he, by the way.

[290] In that interview, whatever, we're getting off track.

[291] The mega fun.

[292] Yeah, that people have this idea, first of all, because of movies where bears are your friends, you know, of yogi bear and boo -boo and, you know, Winnie the Pooh.

[293] We have all these ideas about bears being these, you know, our buddies.

[294] They're not.

[295] They're big predators that are almost all cannibals.

[296] They eat their babies.

[297] It's very, very, very common.

[298] And it's one of the reasons why you have to hunt these male boars to keep the population healthy.

[299] And it seems counterintuitive.

[300] You think, like, well, if you're killing animals, that's bad for the population.

[301] But it's not.

[302] Because if you kill boars, you actually make the population of new animals healthier because boars eat a lot of babies, not just bear babies.

[303] A boar is a male bear.

[304] Some people don't know that.

[305] They think it's a pig, yeah.

[306] Sometimes I'll put, like, I put, you killed a boar.

[307] And people think, well, you misspelled the word bear, you idiot.

[308] No, actually, that one was right.

[309] That's a male bear.

[310] Yeah.

[311] It's a boar and a sow.

[312] Yeah.

[313] Just like a pig.

[314] So what with John and Jen up here, the target is older boars who have already done all their breeding, you know, and it keeps the population healthy because those big, nasty old boars, they'll go and they'll kill other cubs.

[315] they want the sows to come in heat a sow is a female bear and so if she has cubs but they're not his he wants to kill the cubs so she comes back in heat so that's pretty much how it works well they think that boars will even kill their own cubs they also think they don't know the common thought was that boars kill cubs because they want the female to come back into estrus but now they're starting to think that they just kill them for food that they apparently in alaska they've done a lot of studies on grislies too when they come out of hibernation one of the first things they do is go digging into dens and pull out cubs and they're not trying to do that to breed they're trying to do that to eat and it's uh it's just they never show that on tv no they don't yeah i never saw that on yogi bear no that would yogi he wasn't doing stuff like that yeah they all do it it's there's that's that's that's real world yeah that's how that's you know it's tough out here in the wild people don't you don't realize it they're tricky animals they're really tricky animals and it's it's one of the more dangerous hunts in that respect because you're you're hunting something that can kill you it really can and when uh jenn and i were on the ground yesterday there was a bear that was nine yards from us behind us sneaking up on us trying to figure out what we're up to and it was weird you know turning around and seeing this thing right behind you looking at you and you know 50 -pound bear that could easily kill you.

[316] Easily if they're strong.

[317] They're so fast, too.

[318] They're fast, strong.

[319] People, you know, I've seen them basically get, they say, well, those big bear, they can't climb trees.

[320] Seen big bear fly up a tree almost as fast as you could run on the ground.

[321] They can go up a tree.

[322] Then they can come down a tree.

[323] Then from about 10 feet, they'll get, come down to about 10 feet and just let go with the tree, launch backwards, hit the ground full speed.

[324] So it's just like, people say, oh, well, just if you get a bearer, problem just climb a tree no yeah that's ridiculous there's plenty of videos of them running up trees yeah they and then just the fact that they can hold a tree like this and go how strong you know how that is just that's just claws getting in that bark and that's just pure power and running up the tree yeah they literally can sprint up a tree faster than you can run on the ground it is one of the weirdest things to see there's videos of it on YouTube if you're want to look.

[325] There's these hunters that are in a tree stand and this black bear runs up the tree right next to them.

[326] And it's so shocking how fast he does it.

[327] He's just trying to see what they're up to them.

[328] He just runs up to them and looks at them eye to R. And, you know, these misconceptions about these animals.

[329] One of the big ones is that they're not good to eat.

[330] And I think that misconception a lot of times is because either people don't know how to prepare them or They don't know how to take care of the meat once they kill it.

[331] They let it get dirty or they let it spoil.

[332] That's thinny animal.

[333] Yeah.

[334] That's, you know, deer elk.

[335] I love when my meat's clean, for lack of a better word, but, you know, deer elk, I don't know.

[336] I just like having a quarter that is perfect, no pine needles, no anything.

[337] And it's just, it looks like just beautiful meat.

[338] Well, you know, we took great pains with your bear just to keep that meat clean.

[339] And it's all in the, it's all in how you take care of it in the field, how you skin it, how clean it stays, what you do with that meat?

[340] Because people, people who have eaten deer elk have had bad taste in deer and elk, too.

[341] Yeah.

[342] So, I mean, it's not just bear, but I think another thing is people get worried about trigonosis.

[343] That's been in the news.

[344] It's a parasite that can live in bear meat.

[345] and not all you have to do is cook it well Yeah, you just have to cook it to 160 degrees It's the same with pork when you You know, you never eat pink like really raw, rare pork It's because of trichinosis It's very common But it's interesting bears have so much of it That 90 % of all the cases of trichinosis In the United States or in North America Come from bear meat Which is really weird because not that many people eat bear When you think about You can't buy it commercially like you can pork You have to go hunt it I know someone who hunts it, but still accounts for 90 % of the trick.

[346] And our friend, Steve Ronella, who told me all this facts, got trichinosis.

[347] Even after all that, he still was eaten over a campfire and didn't, I mean, you could see.

[348] It's on his episode with, I forget the gentleman's name.

[349] I'm trying to remember his name.

[350] It's a Navy SEAL.

[351] And they went hunting together, and they shot this bear, but it was raining out.

[352] And they tried to start a fire with wet branches and stuff.

[353] And it's tough to get that fire hot and non -conditioned.

[354] Yeah, they should have just saved that meat, brought it back, but they ate it.

[355] Now, if you eat, if the zombie apocalypse comes and you eat Steve Ronella, you will get trichinosis unless you cook them well.

[356] I'm going to make note of that.

[357] You never know.

[358] One other thing people have, I think with bear also, I mean, he's not everybody hunts, not everybody spends as much time as we do out in the woods here.

[359] So people don't see bear all the time.

[360] Yeah.

[361] You know, I have seen a lot of people.

[362] I've seen a lot of comments on my Facebook or social media says even something like I thought bear works in danger or I get a lot of hate from bricking people in England who obviously don't know luckily I don't cuss because I could cuss right now would they always call you a cunt they do and and they don't what do they know about hunting over here but they sure have an opinion and it seems like a ton of people in England who are very fond of the sea word like to chime in on why we bear hunt.

[363] Little penis.

[364] You have a little penis.

[365] Ego.

[366] You're a small man. What are you talking about?

[367] This is part of management.

[368] Yeah, you don't have, so you don't have bear in England.

[369] So why would you think you could weigh in on how we should take care of, you know, bear in this country?

[370] But there's just, you know, most people that go to Starbucks, go hang out, go buy groceries, you go to the movie, you're not going to see a bear or two in those situations.

[371] So they think, oh, there must not be very many.

[372] meanwhile these woods right here are loaded with them they're overrun with bears there is a lot of bears jenn and i saw at least four that we well we heard one of them and we saw three different bears and this is over the course of we were there for like what three hours at the most and cam we've had nights where we saw them more than that i mean there was that one night where bears were all over the place we've seen seven eight nine bears in a night yeah that's not uncommon they've had John and Jen up here where in the country they hunt, they've had nights where they've seen 20 bears.

[373] And that's at one place, 20 bears.

[374] So it's...

[375] In a small location.

[376] Because you're talking about it's incredibly dense woods.

[377] And, you know, you're set up in a clearing.

[378] So in this small clearing where you could only see, the very most you could see is like you get hints of like 60, 70, 80 yards into the woods.

[379] But everything, it's just...

[380] dense that everything passed like 70 yards is like you might see like a small black shadow that moves in between trees and you think it's a bear but you're like what was is that a bear you see some movement you don't really it could be a deer it could be anything at that distance and in in that small area you're seeing 20 bears there's a lot of bears up here yeah and they decimate the moose population they decimate the deer population they literally will pull moose calves out of their mother's body as they're giving birth.

[381] They smell the animal giving birth.

[382] They run up to that area and they'll pull the calf right out of the body.

[383] They estimate that at least 50 % of all the calves that are born out here are killed by bears.

[384] Yeah.

[385] And I know John and Jen are just driving back in their bear country there, they saw a fawn a lot of times if a fawn and a doe is with his fawn and it gets spooked a little bit, the fawn will just, it's taught just to lay down and basically, basically, basically hide, you know, they don't have a lot of sin, so they lay down and hide, they got the spots, cute little fawn, everybody knows, and the dough, his mother will take off, well, they watched a bear, run right up, see that happen, run right up to that fawn and just start tearing it apart.

[386] And, you know, that happens, that was just something they visually saw, that happens all over these woods right here.

[387] There's hundreds of thousands of millions of acres here in Alberta, this big, beautiful country, not a ton of people, lots of bear country, and that's happening.

[388] all the time.

[389] So without those keeping those bear numbers in check, who knows, the deer and the moose would just, like you said, would be devastated.

[390] And you're barely going to keep those numbers in check.

[391] I mean, we shot two of them and we had how many hunters in camp for how many days and we only shot two bears.

[392] Yeah.

[393] No, it's been a little slower this year, but they're going to get some bear on the ground.

[394] But one thing I also want to say, so we talked about the bear numbers.

[395] We talked about what it does to the deer, or deer, actually elk also, and moose population.

[396] Somebody's got to kill these bear.

[397] Who's going to do it?

[398] It's only going to be hunters or are you going to hire their government?

[399] I'll do it.

[400] You'll do it.

[401] You will do it.

[402] So you might not do it if you got an opinion on hunting or you're an anti -hunter or you're an animal rights extremists.

[403] So you don't want to, I'll do it.

[404] Because somebody has to.

[405] So quit being a baby and just accept the fact that we're going to take care of it for you.

[406] Just say thank you.

[407] If you don't, what happens is they get sick.

[408] And by the way, we're barely putting a den in the population.

[409] I mean, hunters, they put, they'll kill some, but if you could see around us how huge this area is and how thick the forest is, you realize it's very little chance of you ever wiping them out.

[410] I mean, it's almost impossible.

[411] They hear you coming a mile away, they smell you coming two miles away.

[412] Just like, you don't really stand a chance.

[413] But if people are upset with hunting, how do you deal with the fact that every, you know, convenience store you drive by has animals that were in captivity their whole life that were compressed into beef sticks and jerky and you know slim gems it doesn't make any sense but here's one thing that i hear maybe you can address this i'm just a bow hunter so i'm like on the intelligence ladder i'm pretty low but how dare you so they'll say how dare you pull yourself down like that i know what you're doing so they'll say well you know a cow So you say factory farming, all they're raised, they're in this small cat.

[414] They're in captivity, their whole life, and all they're raised is just to be killed.

[415] Well, people will say, because we'll say, well, how's that life any different than this deer, elk, moose, bear, or whatever out here?

[416] And they say, well, those animals, that's why they're here for support.

[417] Those animals are raised just to be slaughtered.

[418] So what do you say to that?

[419] Well, that's really silly.

[420] First of all, that's probably the saddest existence on earth.

[421] An animal that's raised just for slaughter.

[422] And I used to think that, like, you know, man. And you've just got to buy organic free -range cattle.

[423] Those cattle are treated well.

[424] Until I went to my friend Doug's organic free -range farm and was around his cows.

[425] And those fuckers are terrified of people.

[426] They know the deal.

[427] They know what's going on.

[428] We walked into the pen area where he keeps his cows.

[429] And they look at you, they fucking panic.

[430] They huddle up together.

[431] They all run.

[432] They know what's going on.

[433] I mean, they might not intellectualize it.

[434] But they know we're bad news.

[435] You know, we're the reason why they're penned in.

[436] in these, you know, it's a large area, they're eating grass, and it's real healthy beef, and, you know, if you want some free -range grass -fed beef, you can do no better, but it's not as healthy a life as a bear lives, or an elk lives.

[437] Yeah, that's the most ideal, most ethical life for an animal that you're going to eat.

[438] And if you don't want to eat animals, that's, you know, that's your prerogative.

[439] But you have to realize that even if you buy grain, anybody that buys grain, if you buy wheat, If you buy anything that grows in a field, that stuff is commercially harvested.

[440] And if you ever see how it's commercially harvested, they use giant machines.

[441] And those machines run over that field, and they slaughter everything in their path.

[442] Rabbits.

[443] Everything.

[444] Rabbits, mice, gophers, any kind of rodents.

[445] There could be deer laying out there, just like a fond hiding.

[446] And that just gets chopped up.

[447] It happens all the time.

[448] Rick, show this field right here.

[449] Yeah, it's been a truck around.

[450] just turn it what are you doing panicking see that that is now that is beautiful and green and that's that's agriculture at its finest but to harvest that animals are going to die guaranteed animals will die yeah i mean the reality of modern life is that we need a lot of food to you know i live in los angeles and there's who knows how many people there's like 20 plus million people plus Mexicans and we have no idea how many there are you know I mean no disrespect to my Mexican friends the idea is that I you know I got rear -ended by this guy the other day who was Mexican and he he wasn't legal he didn't have a license he didn't have it wasn't you know it wasn't supposed to be in the country but there's a lot of them like that and so they don't have a count of how many people but all those people so that's all my point was just that they don't have a count of it it's not that it's bad because they come in illegally so they can just guess that might be five million it might be more they really don't know and out of those people they all need to eat and very few are growing food so you need large scale agriculture to feed those people and so you're not picking individual wheat stocks out of the ground you're not shucking you know corn yourself you go to the supermarket and buying it and that involves large scale agriculture which even if you're a vegan and you think you're doing no harm to this beautiful world, leaving the smallest footprint possible, satanam, namaste.

[451] You're not, man. You're a part of killing.

[452] It might be indirect killing or unintentional killing, but everyone's a killer.

[453] That's a fact.

[454] That goes with being in the top of the food chain.

[455] That brings me to another point you can talk about.

[456] We are the top of the food chain.

[457] Everything below us is to support our life.

[458] That's just the way he goes.

[459] So what do you say about species?

[460] What, tell me about that.

[461] Speciesism.

[462] Oh, yeah, whatever it is.

[463] To be a speciesist.

[464] Yeah, that's one of the most adorable things that animal rights activists love to pin on humans.

[465] By the way, they will swat mosquitoes.

[466] All those fucks.

[467] Is it some of the speciesists?

[468] So is a mosquito alive?

[469] Yes, it is.

[470] But it doesn't count?

[471] No, it does not.

[472] And meanwhile, in some countries, they eat mosquitoes.

[473] There's a lot of those.

[474] Yeah, man. I saw this place in Africa.

[475] where they had so many mosquitoes that they were doing, they were taking a frying pan, and they were swinging this frying pan through the air, and in doing so, there's so many mosquitoes, they're slapping them into the pan, and then they would scrape the pan and make, like, a mosquito burger.

[476] I thought they were going to make malaria stew, because that's a good way to get malaria if you're eating mosquitoes in Africa.

[477] I think if you cook them good enough to worry about it, but it's like trigonosis.

[478] It's like trigonosis.

[479] They make patties out of these mosquitoes, It's really fucked up to watch because they have basically had this large pan and they're just swatting these mosquitoes until they have a good collection in the bottom of the pan and then they scrape them.

[480] Why do that?

[481] They do that because they're hungry.

[482] It's a hard, hard life.

[483] There's no protein.

[484] I mean, for natives over in Africa, protein is like gold.

[485] Just finding something that's going to sustain life.

[486] Protein, you know, we have burgers.

[487] We have bear steak.

[488] They don't.

[489] don't have that.

[490] And it's interesting, like when people go over to Africa, like say if they kill a large animal in Africa, like there was a big thing recently, this, this woman killed a giraffe, and all these people were really angry at her because they killed this giraffe.

[491] This giraffe was a non -breeding giraffe.

[492] There was a danger to the other giraffes in the area.

[493] They killed this giraffe, and then this giraffe fed, who knows how many villagers.

[494] Well, if you go over there and you bring them food, like you say, oh, well, we went over there and we brought these villagers a hundred meals of great protein oh well you're a good Samaritan but if you go over there and you shoot an animal and you give that animal to these villagers you're a piece of shit because you're not supposed to shoot a giraffe yeah we we're very I think there's a bad disconnect that human beings have where we live in these civilized huge metropolis areas and we get all of our food grown by other people and all shipped in we have this massive disconnect for where food comes from.

[495] If you're delivering food to the home...

[496] Like Jen, you were talking about one of the things that you guys did that was really cool was you took meat when you went to Vegas.

[497] You guys flew from Canada to Vegas and you donated a bunch of meat to local shelters.

[498] I mean, I think that's amazing.

[499] I mean, you did that out of the goodness of your own heart because you're really good people and you flew down.

[500] What was it?

[501] What organization was it that you gave it to?

[502] It was actually Salvation Army in Vegas.

[503] We had always followed them and we like to give stuff.

[504] We have a lot of extra.

[505] And we seen that they had a meat shortage and we had an abundance.

[506] So by us hunting and our hunters hunting, we had an abundance of beaks and we decided we'd bring a couple hundred pounds down to the shelter down there.

[507] And it fed, I think, five or six hundred people.

[508] That's amazing.

[509] And when you think about it, like you guys paid to fly that stuff from Alberta all the way down to Vegas.

[510] and give it to those people, but there's still people that will disparage hunters because the way you got that meat is by shooting it yourself.

[511] We're crazy.

[512] It's a crazy thing.

[513] How many anti -hunters are doing stuff like that?

[514] Very few.

[515] For a fellow man. Very few.

[516] That's, I can see people saying, I'm not doing that.

[517] I'm not paying all that extra baggage.

[518] Most people wouldn't pay to have the meat shipped down there.

[519] You go through the extra, you're going to Vegas.

[520] You're going to Vegas.

[521] Who wants to haul meat to Vegas?

[522] people who want to are people who care about fellow man and helping.

[523] And that's what hunters are.

[524] That's hunters.

[525] You know, I've seen it over and over again.

[526] On my, on my social media, I sell my bows or auction off my bows to help people who need help.

[527] Hunters have the biggest, most generous hearts of, you know, I guess I can't compare to everybody, for every other type of person.

[528] But hunters, man, on my page, it's been so giving, so generous, and give, you know, tens of thousands of dollars, really, just to help somebody they don't even know.

[529] Well, I think people have a bad connection to hunters because in movies, a lot of times hunters are portrayed as these rednecks who get drunk.

[530] Yeah, and they go out shooting these animals and they're mean, they don't care about them.

[531] Like the hunter that killed Bambi's mom, you know, like this is how people portray hunters in a lot of.

[532] ways in movies and cartoons and whatnot and you know unfortunately there are people like that in all walks of life you're going to there's bad people and everything there's bad cops but if you think about how many cops arrest people every day and how few instances actually get into the news like of something going wrong what people don't think about is how many good cops there are out there It's predominantly good cops.

[533] You think about how many, you know, how many firemen get praised for what they do.

[534] You know, it's rare.

[535] It's rare that people focus on the good aspect of things.

[536] People love to point out the flaws in one individual and attach that to the entire collective group of people that participate in the same thing.

[537] And that's, you know, that's what people do when it comes to hunters for whatever reason.

[538] It's very convenient.

[539] I mean, I've had people give me shit about hunting.

[540] and then I go to their Instagram page and I see pictures of burgers and steaks and I'm like, you fuck a dummy you know what you're doing you're paying someone to do it for you.

[541] If you're eating protein that comes from animals somebody had to die.

[542] That's just a fact.

[543] The way I see it too is I don't know it seems like hunters, I think it's very appealing to be a self -sufficient, not just man human.

[544] Yeah.

[545] Just to be somebody who can go out and say, hey, I'm going to go out, I'm going to provide for myself.

[546] I'm not going to rely on anybody.

[547] I'm not going to rely on somebody to stock that supermarket to make sure there's something for me to buy or to make sure McDonald's has burgers.

[548] If I need to, I'm going to go out.

[549] I'm going to provide for myself.

[550] I'm going to survive out in the woods.

[551] I'm going to kill.

[552] I'm going to butcher.

[553] I'm going to process.

[554] I'm going to do the whole thing on my own.

[555] To me, that's appealing.

[556] That's a big deal as it.

[557] When I came up, it was kind of a transition into a man. I felt like when I could do that, I was like that's part of becoming a man. Now I just see it, I think it's just part of becoming a person, you know, because I see women doing the same thing.

[558] And I just think it's empowering.

[559] I think it's important, it's empowering, and it gives us perspective that people who haven't done that or can't do that don't have.

[560] And even if you don't like hunting, grow your own vegetables.

[561] I mean, growing your own vegetables.

[562] I like you say, grow up.

[563] Grow your own.

[564] balls.

[565] No. Because hunting does that.

[566] It's very, it's hard to grow your own balls.

[567] You either have them or you don't.

[568] I mean, I guess you can kind of say, say they haven't dropped.

[569] That's, that's what I say.

[570] Oh, I see.

[571] I see what you're saying.

[572] Yeah, self -sufficiency is, is very underrated.

[573] I mean, it's the reason why all those prepper shows exist.

[574] It's not just because people are worried about the world ending.

[575] They want to know that they're okay without everybody else.

[576] They want to know that they're self -sufficient.

[577] And I think that When you have a meal that comes from an animal that you took from the wild yourself, it's a very intense connection.

[578] The food that I cook at home, when I cook food from an animal that I killed, that is a very, very different feeling than going to the supermarket and buying some thing that comes wrapped in plastic and then bring it home and have no connection whatsoever to turn and look at these animals, Rick.

[579] Yeah, right here.

[580] All these animals are in the field.

[581] This is where most people are getting their food from.

[582] You're getting your food from these animals that are wandering around.

[583] Yeah, this is actually even better than most factory farm.

[584] Way better.

[585] These things are out.

[586] They're actually eating some grass out there.

[587] Yeah, they're wandering around.

[588] But still, that's not running through the mountains.

[589] Yeah, it's not nature.

[590] No. What we're doing is we're dipping our toes into the wild and then we come back with meat.

[591] But what I was going to say is you talked about providing for your family.

[592] I mean, I think it's important, you put that, the, your plate full of meat on the table and your wife and kids who don't hunt, you know, and you say, your kids know, daddy went out, this is a berry killed.

[593] Yeah.

[594] We're eating it.

[595] Yeah.

[596] That's a big deal.

[597] It is a big deal.

[598] It's a good feeling.

[599] It's a feeling that's very difficult to describe.

[600] The, it's, you can't recreate it.

[601] It doesn't, it doesn't come any other way.

[602] The only way you get that feeling is by going out into the wild and.

[603] getting an animal, killing it, taking care of it yourself, cutting it up, you know, and cooking it and then eating it.

[604] And it's a weird connection to food that you don't get in any other way.

[605] And I never got until I hunted.

[606] I never felt like that about the food that I cooked, ever.

[607] Because you've only been hunting now for...

[608] Since 2012.

[609] So three years?

[610] Yeah, my first hunt, not even the third year.

[611] My first hunt was in November of 2012, so it's not quite even three years.

[612] You know, and I see, I put up a picture of your bear today, so you've probably got a lot of hate, by the way.

[613] More love than hate, believe it or not.

[614] The tide is turned.

[615] It's because of these conversations and these arguments where people have to realize, like, you're not beyond criticism for your own life.

[616] And you're pointing this ignorant finger at people for hunting, hunting ethically, legally, responsibly, morally doing the right thing, putting in the hours to practice, making sure.

[617] that you know these animals are killed in a humane way you're not doing that when you're going McDonald's you're just not you are participating in this gigantic factory farming system where these animals are penned up in these horrible ways and you're you're buying food from them and you think that you're morally righteous and that you're beyond criticism and it's foolish and it's part of that disconnect that we were talking about with food I don't think it's I don't think eating another life and not understanding that you're eating another life is even remotely healthy.

[618] And it's one of the reasons why these people that are anti -hunters that also eat meat are so childish.

[619] The reason why they behave so child is they say things like, I hope someone hunts your family.

[620] And then you look on their fucking Instagram page and it's filled with dead animals.

[621] Filled!

[622] Filled with chicken catchatory.

[623] Would that come from a fucking chicken plant?

[624] You douchebag.

[625] No, it didn't.

[626] Chicken tree?

[627] Someone pluck it?

[628] Yeah, they plucked it.

[629] They plucked it with a fucking machine.

[630] It was dead.

[631] Had his head cut off.

[632] But, yeah, no. It's just, it's unhealthy.

[633] It's nice that we can do it.

[634] It's nice that, you know, some people have jobs that require a lot of time to take care of their family and they have a lot of, I mean, you shouldn't be required to go out and get your own meat.

[635] But I think it would do a lot of people who do eat meat a world of good to understand where your food actually comes from, because most of us are completely ignorant of it, and this is coming from my own personal experience.

[636] I didn't grow up a hunter.

[637] I didn't start hunting until I was 44 years old, or 45, I guess.

[638] I didn't know.

[639] You know, I kind of, I knew that there was something wrong.

[640] Like, my thoughts on it were always that, like, this just feels weird to just, I knew that there was always some strange disconnect that I was sort of, peripherally aware of but you so did you have an opinion on hunters did you have a negative opinion on hunters before you became quote one of us no I never had a negative opinion I've been watching hunting shows for a long time I always fished you know I've been a fisherman since I was a young kid and um you know I used to fish every day when I was real young before I got into martial arts I loved fishing and I would eat my own fish and I always I was felt it was very satisfying to catch a fish and then cook it for dinner and then feed my parents and my sister, I feed them the fish I caught.

[641] I loved it.

[642] It's very satisfying.

[643] But, you know, I didn't have anybody to take me hunting.

[644] I didn't know.

[645] I didn't know where to turn.

[646] You know, and until I went hunting with Ronella, I'd just been thinking about it for the longest time and talking about it and trying to figure out how to go about doing it.

[647] But, you know, I'm busy.

[648] It's hard for me to venture into new things like that.

[649] And I feel like in that way, a lot of people can relate.

[650] Most people that are listening.

[651] I see a lot of comments like that.

[652] People want to get into it or because they've heard us talk on the podcast, they got their first bow.

[653] And now they want to transition into becoming a hunter.

[654] You know, it's appealing.

[655] But it's a big process.

[656] I mean, it's not impossible, but it takes time for sure.

[657] Well, there's some outfitters that will specialize in that.

[658] Like Mike Hawbridge and from Big Country Outfitters, the guy I shot my moose with, he's done a lot of that where he'll take someone who's never shot an animal before they might not have even ever shot a rifle before and he'll take them through all the steps he'll show them this is the safety this is how you put a bullet in the chamber this is what you want to make sure that you know the gun is resting on your shoulder he'll take them through all the steps gun safety the whole deal teach them how to fire the gun teach them where to hit on the animal teach them how to pull the trigger you know how to breathe and then, you know, take them out and try to get them to harvest their first animal.

[659] Well, that's, to me, you know, so this is like, I guess, that next level, but that's one reason why I love coming up here with John and Jen, because for a bow hunt, this is a great first, like, beginning type bow.

[660] It's still super intense, but it's more controlled in that you're not going to have a long shot.

[661] It's generally going to be pretty close.

[662] There's a number of animals, so you're going to have opportunity.

[663] And so I like to promote this.

[664] I like to be up here with a lot of new hunters.

[665] I like to bring people, I've shared, you know, now two years with you, watch you kill bear, watch you go from not ever having killed anything with the bow to now have killed three black bear with your bow, and that means a lot.

[666] For me, personally, that means, I mean, I didn't kill a bear on this trip.

[667] I hunted one day last night, no big deal.

[668] All I know is I see campful of people who have never bear hunted.

[669] I see you.

[670] I see guys who are just so excited to have.

[671] have their hopefully tastes their first hint of success in the bear woods.

[672] And to me, that means 10 times more than if I would have killed a bear on this trip.

[673] And this hunt is, I think, a perfect precursor to a long bow hunting career because it sets you up for success.

[674] And that's why I love it up here.

[675] Yeah, well, one of the reasons why this place is so packed up here is because of you, your social media presence, and because of this passion that you have for spreading hunting and letting people know.

[676] uh first of all letting people know how great john and jen are how awesome they're outfitting businesses it's just like if you couldn't pick a better place to be as far as the the quality of the people i mean john and jen their family are amazing they're just so cool and this place that they have is just so special it's it you mean even when we're just driving around oh wow yeah when we're just driving around and we're you know looking at the woods like god it's so beautiful up here yeah it's It's an amazing place.

[677] And that passion that you have for bo -hunting is what leads all these people to this camp.

[678] I mean, everybody at camp yesterday, I'd keep hammering hats on and ramp it up shirts on.

[679] I mean, they're all like Cameron Haynes' disciples.

[680] And that message that you're spreading is very positive and infectious.

[681] And I've seen it like last year.

[682] I mean, this year, we left before this current group.

[683] We got there before them.

[684] leaving before they've had success yet but they've seen a lot of bears yeah these people saw bears for the first time of their life and they had these looks on their face like jenn and i drove by this guy named randy uh yesterday and he was uh telling us i saw five bears five bears came near the and he did this dude had saucer eyes because he's out there in the woods by himself uh sitting in this tree stand and these bears are all around him and he's just mesmerized by this experience That's intense.

[685] Yeah, it really is.

[686] So there's a camp full of guys just like that who, you know, one of them, Ed and K. Westbrook are up here.

[687] And I think Ed, you know, he hasn't killed a bear yet.

[688] But I'm pretty sure he told John that already the hunt was everything he'd hoped it would be.

[689] He hasn't even, he hasn't killed a bear.

[690] But just the camaraderie, the camp life, the discussions, the people.

[691] I don't know It's just It's all so positive And it's a It makes I feel Very proud Just to be a small part of it It's so true Well you're a large part of it And I think a large part of the quality Of the people that are coming To these trips It's because of you You know It's because these people Are fans of yours And they like the way you carry yourself And the passion that you have for hunting And I found that When people have passion for things For anything That passion is infectious You know like I get into people that are really passionate about making cabinets.

[692] I like watching.

[693] I watched a guy make knives the other day online.

[694] I was watching this knife maker.

[695] He's hammering the steel.

[696] I don't want to make a knife.

[697] I'm not making any of the fucking knives.

[698] So you were into it.

[699] Exactly.

[700] His passion was infectious.

[701] People love when people are into things because we know that that feeling is a great feeling.

[702] The feeling of being really passionate about something is a great feeling.

[703] and you have a deep passion, a deep connection to bow hunting.

[704] And I have it now, too, and I have it because of you.

[705] That's awesome.

[706] Yeah, I loved it.

[707] You said that.

[708] I think last night, we came in late last night to Swan Hills, I think two in the morning maybe, and you were still talking about just how much you love bo hunting.

[709] Two in the morning, long day, everything.

[710] We've had a long week, and still that excitement.

[711] Yeah, I love it.

[712] It's amazing.

[713] It's very intense.

[714] It's very primal.

[715] It's very rewarding.

[716] And it's very, very exciting.

[717] You know, it's, it's also, there's a lot of discipline involved.

[718] Keeping yourself calm when you're at full draw on an animal and you know this is the moment.

[719] You know, this is the moment you've been practicing.

[720] This is the moment you've shot thousands and thousands of arrows over and over again.

[721] And in that moment of releasing that arrow when you're practicing.

[722] saying you're not thinking about anything else other than that arrow hit that target and there's a very zen quality to that that i think a lot of people um aren't aware of me so even if you don't want to hunt god get into archery yeah archery is an amazing discipline and it's an amazing practice it's like a meditation in a lot of ways yeah it is well like that shirt that you sell i love that shirt the depressed face oh yeah yeah plus archery equals a smiley face happy face yeah it's simple that's your math I'm good at right there yeah well I do want to say so next year we're gonna do the same camp again and it's just amazing and even guys who have killed bear before this isn't just a for a first -time type bow hunt because I've killed a lot of bear and I still live for this hunt and what I do I like I like getting on the ground you know as you know that's kind of like people who like first -time hunters I think it's a good idea to get up in the tree stand watch the bear come in see how they react, learn how to sex them, which means determine whether they're a boar or a sow.

[723] That takes a little bit of practice.

[724] So it's a good idea to get up in that stand and just kind of get into the bear hunting mindset.

[725] You know, we come out from this busy life.

[726] All of a sudden you're in the bear woods, planting the bear woods.

[727] And it's just, it is so new, so intense.

[728] It's a big deal.

[729] But once you've done that, I like hunting on the ground.

[730] I like being eye to eye with these things.

[731] And there's always, there's going to be a risk.

[732] There's a risk in everything, but I just, I feel like, I feel like that's living.

[733] Living on the edge a little bit is kind of my motif, I guess, and it's, it's a whole different deal being on the ground, huh?

[734] Yeah, it's very intense.

[735] It's, well, there's very rare moments that you get in life where you can be, Jen and I were nine yards behind, I mean, this bear was behind us.

[736] Was it even nine yards?

[737] I think it was a bit closer.

[738] Yeah, probably closer than nine yards.

[739] To a predator, an apex predator.

[740] North America's, you know, bears are at the top of the food chain out there besides people.

[741] And the only reason why we're at the top of the food chain is because all the things that we describe, the practice and archery.

[742] The weapon.

[743] The weapon, you know.

[744] There's a rare moment to be there with these animals.

[745] And there's something cool, even besides the hunting, them, just being there watching them.

[746] Yeah, we watched the fight yesterday.

[747] One boar was chasing the other boar away, and they'd go, la la la, they'd fuck to chase each other through the woods.

[748] And that wasn't Sasquatch?

[749] No, that wasn't a death moment?

[750] No, Sasquash is woo -doo.

[751] That's something different.

[752] No, it's different.

[753] Well, he's different all the time because it's not real.

[754] Gotcha.

[755] You can come up with a different sound, different sound for Sasquatch any day.

[756] I mean, you can make him sound like Woody Whitpecker if you wanted to.

[757] Maybe that's what he really sounds like.

[758] We don't know.

[759] We'll have to.

[760] Let's check in with less.

[761] Yeah.

[762] But the point is that the experience is awesome.

[763] Regardless of the hunting, the hunting makes it even more awesome.

[764] It compounds the awesomeness.

[765] Just being out there, I know we're joking around about it.

[766] It's just great being out there.

[767] But it really is great just being out there.

[768] But the goal is always to get an animal.

[769] Yeah, that's why we're here.

[770] Well, the goal, I guess, I mean, I didn't get one this trip.

[771] I killed one a couple weeks ago.

[772] but so I still feel I still feel satisfied you know I mean obviously I wanted to kill a bear but I'm not just going to kill a bear just to kill a bear I'm going to kill the right bear but for me I like I like getting on the ground I like being close I like you know I had experiences where I had a bear right up a tree straight above me and I just had my knife there and that's that's a type of stuff I remember no animal was harmed in the making of that experience that's memorable to me still well we showed up and there was a bear asleep in the tree yeah the bear had climbed the tree it was just chilling up in the tree and you know we don't know how it got there it could have been a large bear chased it up a tree which is really common there's because there's some enormous enormous bears out here and when they get to like 500 pounds can they still try to climb trees yeah they'd have a hard time coming a tree that that weight but up to you know 300 pounder could fly right up there there's some that John and Jen have seen out here they're eight feet plus the biggest one they've got is more than eight feet bigger than grizzly yeah I mean that's a gigantic black bear but that's what's walking around these woods and one thing that's crazy about bear especially to sit on the ground you cannot hear these things they don't have hooves like a deer and elk that are breaking sticks and whatnot they have soft pads I mean I've sat and turned around and right behind me there's make sure a bag is still back there but right behind me as a bear i had no idea it was there yeah and it's uh they they are so quiet and can you know just they're like ghosts they are they're like black ghosts out there in the shadows of this these thick woods it's intense it's awesome it's amazing and again the food like that you get from it is delicious i've argued to people to death about this they say bear is bad to eat you really you don't know what you're talking about you can find bear that can taste a little fun if they've been eating a rotten carcass or something like that.

[773] That's all they've eaten for like a few weeks.

[774] But most of them, their diet is filled with a lot of different stuff.

[775] Besides eating ground nesting birds and any other animal they catch and kill.

[776] They eat a lot of roots and a lot of vegetables.

[777] A lot of grass.

[778] And berries.

[779] Apparently, I haven't had this before, but what everybody says is that bears in the fall when they find a berry patch and they stock up on berries.

[780] They'll eat nothing but berries for weeks.

[781] It's the most delicious meat in the world.

[782] Ronella says it's like the best meat you'll ever have in your life.

[783] Like, it's incredible.

[784] Yeah.

[785] And it's just because their body actually smells like blueberries.

[786] Their fat is blue.

[787] Like they get like a blue hue, like a purple hue to their fat.

[788] That would sell.

[789] So they sell grain -fed beef, right?

[790] Yeah.

[791] If you could sell blueberry -fed bear.

[792] Yeah.

[793] Now, that would be good.

[794] And again, what you were saying before about bears, people not seeing a lot of bears, it's one of the reasons why they get angry at you for eating them.

[795] They think that there's something wrong with eating something that you don't eat all the time.

[796] But people have been eating bears forever.

[797] It's just, it doesn't happen in Los Angeles.

[798] You know, it's just rare.

[799] They don't have a commercial presence as meat.

[800] Right.

[801] So, you know, you can buy venison at a lot of restaurants.

[802] Venison is not out of you.

[803] People understand that people hunt and kill deer because it's the most popular animal to hunt in America.

[804] People see deer all the time.

[805] All the time.

[806] Yeah, it's normal.

[807] And a lot of times people get mad because, you know, if they live in overpopulated areas, you were just telling me that you know there was a story near you or a guy died.

[808] Yeah, no, another vehicle hit a deer on the road just like this.

[809] Deer flew up and went right in through a cargo van's window, killed the driver, 37 years old.

[810] That happened back home.

[811] So, yeah, people get mad because deer, they hit deer, they kill the deer, but they screw up their car.

[812] Yeah.

[813] So they're like, damn deer.

[814] Well, if you live in an area that has ticks and deer that carry Lyme disease, too, it can be horrible.

[815] I know a bunch of people that have done that, they've gotten Lyme disease from ticks.

[816] Another one Ronella got.

[817] He got fucking Lyme disease, too.

[818] He got Lyme disease, Jardia, trichinosis.

[819] He's going for the big slam of diseases that you get from game animals.

[820] animals.

[821] That's impressive.

[822] Yeah, some people go for super slams, like they try to get all the North American sheep.

[823] Well, it's a good diet, too, for him.

[824] He's crazy.

[825] He's done a lot of wacky shit.

[826] You got worms, bacteria, and parasites living in you.

[827] You're not going to be overweight.

[828] That's true.

[829] You got a lot of stuff.

[830] You've got to feed.

[831] The kid is ripped, too.

[832] You've got to give him credit for that.

[833] But I think that in, you know, in closing, we probably wrap this up, but I just want to thank you for being my mentor for this whole bow hunting experience.

[834] It's been really, really rewarding, and I really, really appreciate it, man, because without you, it would have taken me years and years and years and years to fuck it up.

[835] Well, like I said, it's been fun sharing it with you and watching the journey and being part of it.

[836] It's very rewarding for me as well.

[837] And it's really rewarding for me to be able to talk about this and then to see these guys in camp that have heard us talk about this.

[838] I mean, a bunch of those guys that came to camp this week had heard our podcast before and we're real excited to come up here to hunt with John and Jen because of that because they want in on this and, you know, they got in on it.

[839] And it's a limited amount of people.

[840] I mean, John and Jen work hard.

[841] Their family work hard.

[842] But there's only so many people they can accommodate.

[843] it's just there's not that much space in the woods like as far as like how many different areas they've cleared out to hunt and not that many people that they have it's all family business I mean we talk about a family business their children all work there I mean it's a total family business so there's only a certain amount of people that they can accommodate so if you're interested in this what's the website Jen?

[844] Live in thedreamproductions .com Live in thedreamproductions .com and you got to get in on as quick as you can because this year sold out just after last year as hot was over.

[845] Yeah, and this, we'll probably do a couple camps like this, like we did this year.

[846] I tried to come in at the end of the week, the first week, and then beginning of the second week, doing an overlap of two different weeks, and we just have a good time.

[847] So we'll probably do something similar.

[848] You can get a hold of John or Jen on Facebook, Instagram.

[849] You can get a hold of me, and I'll tell you how to make it happen.

[850] but I'm down for new bow hunters, new bear hunters, and just sharing this experience with as many people as I can.

[851] And if you're interested in archery, find a local archery shop.

[852] Almost everyone who is involved in selling archery equipment is an archery enthusiast.

[853] It's very difficult to not be an enthusiast once you get into it, and a lot of those places offer lessons.

[854] And if they don't offer lessons, they connect you with someone who offers lessons.

[855] go there and learn how to shoot a bow and get some practice in it's a great hobby to have and even if you have no desire whatsoever to go hunt it is a great hobby to have and like I said it's like it's like a real form of meditation it's spiritual there's a spiritual aspect to watching an arrow fly towards a target right where you want it to it's uh I mean it's changed my life so it's powerful and I think these things like whether it's the hunting aspect that the satisfaction that you get from feeding yourself and feeding your family with this meat, and even archery itself, I think there's a primal reward system that's built in our DNA because for thousands of years, that's how people required food.

[856] Yeah, we're, as you said, we're not designed to sit in cubicles.

[857] Yeah.

[858] You know, we're designed to take on big challenges.

[859] Our bodies are designed.

[860] We can prepare our bodies and minds and spirit for the ultimate test, and this just gets us that much closer to what, what we're designed.

[861] why humans are designed the way we are.

[862] And if you follow Cam on Instagram, Cameron R. Haynes, you'll see this is not just something he does, like, a couple days a year where he takes a bunch of people out.

[863] This is something he lives all year round to prepare himself for.

[864] I mean, Cam is constantly updating his Instagram because he's constantly running and lifting, working out, and getting his body prepared to be able to take on the challenges of these tough hunts, especially like the Elkhont that we're going on in September, it's not easy.

[865] You're climbing mountains and you're bringing back hundreds of pounds of meat if you're successful.

[866] And if you're successful, you're successful because you put in thousands of hours of shooting arrows and practice.

[867] And without that, there is no success.

[868] And I think that's also a great thing that you provide.

[869] You provide a lot of inspiration to people because you live it.

[870] You're not just out there running your mouth, talking.

[871] trying to pump people up you can do it you're out there doing it and you're saying come do it with me yeah exactly i'm not a special person you know you're not a special person we're just people that are out there doing it and you can do it too yeah well thank you thanks for uh this is kind of an impromptu podcast yeah i think it turned out pretty good it's great we're driving to the airport right now to uh to leave the dream and and head back to the uh civilized nightmare But it's been a great time, and I had a blast.

[872] I can't wait to do it again next year.

[873] Good job.

[874] All right, brother.

[875] Bye, everybody.

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