#327 - Dana White

[0] Joe Rogan podcast checking out the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast my night all day we're waiting right now for Dana White to show up he took a car from Anaheim and if you know anything about California Southern California Los Angeles in particular it's a fucking mess the highway is the most ridiculous shit you've ever seen in your life it's been ridiculous ever since I moved here I moved here in 94 but it's gotten steadily and steadily more ridiculous to the point where it's it doesn't make any sense it's like you can't fix this this is just way too many people for that amount of road and Anaheim's like on one side of LA then we're on and it's rush hour yeah and I don't even know he's he's not going to be here for hours death he's been in the car already for an hour and 40 minutes he called me at 508 it's 640 now so he's all Almost an hour and 40 minutes.

[1] Yeah, he's, you're fucked.

[2] When you're trying to get anywhere, especially down to Orange County, Jesus Christ, that drive is insane.

[3] Those poor people that live in Orange County and then work in L .A. and do that every day?

[4] I know somebody that does San Diego every day.

[5] No, you don't.

[6] Yes, I do.

[7] Who the fuck is that?

[8] What's wrong with him?

[9] Okay, what's wrong with him?

[10] Why doesn't he get a place here or there?

[11] I think he does.

[12] I think he works down in San Diego.

[13] Well, I guess you got to do what you got to do.

[14] do but that's two and a half hours each way right that's five hours you're driving a day how's your car not going to explode or your anger yeah you could go crazy i do kevin and bean once every four months right and every time i do it i just i'm amazed i left my house at six a m and i was in bumper to bumper traffic at six a m i was like you've got to be fucking shitting me you are just asking for people to go crazy you know and people who don't see that like fellow comedians who don't get up in the morning like you could you could be unaware of the dangers of your environment whereas if you were in that pressure cooker every day driving around every day in that insane stressful situation just insane levels of stress day and day out chinese water torture monotonous fucking break lights and gas fumes until you're ready to just go fucking crazy and just drive your car off the side of the 405.

[15] Yeah, fuck that.

[16] How many people out there are like that dude from falling down?

[17] Michael Douglas?

[18] Yeah, remember that shit?

[19] I don't know, man. A lot of people, they really identified it with that movie.

[20] Yeah, I think there's a lot of people with huge anger problems.

[21] I don't want to say the person's name, but this guy last night I was talking to, I mean, the rage in him, I was just like, holy how you have a built -up anger.

[22] Like, I don't, I have built -up anger, but my anger is always just like that guy I fucking hate him but not to the point where I'm like I will kill him he is my last Well usually when you find the misplaced anger You also find a life that's a wreck Yeah Like almost always Like if the anger doesn't match The actual situation It's like they're using that situation As a focus Because focusing on their own life Is just too fucked up It's too confusing There's too much failure and bullshit in there It's like why do that Let's get mad at him And then all of a sudden that person becomes the issue instead of their own fucked up psychological disorder slash personality you know that's usually whenever whenever something's imbalanced the imbalance amount of hate that someone will show towards you that's uh that's because they're not looking at that own self so take a look at your own self son don't be getting mad at external sources you got some bitch ass genetics you got something fucking with you I need to get that mirror and have a sit down in front of it.

[23] This Alyssa Lamb thing is, who's that her name, the woman in the elevator.

[24] Don't show that video, man, because it bums me out.

[25] It's scary, right?

[26] It's not scary.

[27] It's creepy.

[28] If you want to know what it is, folks, the video is that girl, if you haven't heard of her, she was from, where was she from?

[29] Canada.

[30] Vancouver, I think.

[31] She was from Canada, and she was in Los Angeles, apparently by herself, and someone killed her.

[32] Did they ever say what she was here for?

[33] Was she just visiting or was she just like...

[34] No. Well, you know what?

[35] They didn't even say someone killed her.

[36] They said they found her body in a water cistern.

[37] But, I mean, who knows?

[38] Maybe she fucking climbed inside of it.

[39] Maybe we're jumping to conclusions and maybe she was crazy.

[40] I don't know.

[41] You know, we don't really know.

[42] But it's very sad.

[43] It's very unfortunate.

[44] And the elevator video is weird because not only is like the elevator not working and she looks like she's hiding from somebody.

[45] But then she starts doing like this weird, trippy arm thing that it looks like she's either.

[46] do on drugs or if she's uh possessed by the devil or something yeah that's what's fucked up about it it's like a guermo del toro movie it's like like you know it's like you're watching paranormal activities not that that's a guermal dolitoro movie but i just saw that mama movie so that shit's on my head the mama mama the uh guermo do toro horror movie yeah yeah it's fucking scary it's legit scary guamo del toro is a bad motherfucker and you ever see pans lambineth yes that's a great yeah it's wicked he's He's very original, very original and very interesting.

[47] But that movie, if you look at this elevator video footage, it easily could be something from a movie.

[48] Could you imagine if someone fake to fucking murder?

[49] Yeah, the whole thing was an advertisement for the next paranormal?

[50] Yeah, if like CNN was in bed with paranormal activities and they...

[51] It's coming to that already.

[52] It almost is.

[53] That mermaid thing that they did on TV?

[54] where they pretended they actually had fucking real mermaids they made a documentary that was a fake documentary they made it with actors playing apart and at the end they had this like special effects mermaid thing and you're like wait a minute what it's so obviously fake that like apparently you watch the i didn't even watch it you watch the whole thing thinking like a lot of people thought it was like people were saying there were really mermaids like that somebody was actually believing there were really mermaids and so people were tuning into it going what the fuck there's mermaids and this is like i think it was on the history channel what yeah let me find out what mermaid special hold on a network hold on a second i need to find out what would it because i'm talking a lot of shit i might defame the history channel but uh it was on one of those things man mermaids video animal planet it was on animal planet that's even crazier okay it's a fucking it's the most ridiculous shit of all time like they pretend that there was a body found the mermaids had been attacked by a giant shark you know like they literally the animal planet made like a fake movie they made them they blurred the lines they went gonzo on us you know they blurred the lines between journalism between documentaries and total fiction like they created uh uh like use special effects and shit so like anybody watching animal planet you're assuming you're getting reality the worst case scenario is Caesar Milan's going to pretend a dog's more fucked up than he really is, you know?

[55] You're not going to get a guy who's showing you fucking fake mermaid footage.

[56] Is he still doing the dog whisper?

[57] I don't know.

[58] Because I can't talk about that, but I know something crazy about that guy that I don't know, it's not really public knowledge but about one of his dogs and...

[59] What about one of his dogs?

[60] I don't know.

[61] I heard from somebody that he has a pipple that's on his show that's all the time you know like it's like his number one dog and his pit bull he always is trying to tell people like you know pit bulls you know i rescued this pit bull this people this people is now look it's great around children stuff like that and i heard that that pit bull ended up eating his one of his smaller dogs like some time ago very common yeah very common pull up this mermaids the body found video and prepare to shit your pants okay because this is some crazy avatar stuff.

[62] I'm watching this now.

[63] It is so ridiculous that this was actually on animal planet.

[64] And it's a whale, a tax, or a shark attacks a whale in front of this mermaid.

[65] I mean, this is the nuttiest fucking thing you've ever seen.

[66] It looks so unbelievably fake.

[67] Oh, that's super fake.

[68] It looks so unbelievably fake.

[69] This?

[70] Yes.

[71] Yes.

[72] That's not real.

[73] Dude, of course it's not real.

[74] look up go to the animal planet website animal dot discovery .com look up mermaids the body found it's a video on the animal planet yeah that's it look at this ridiculous shit that they were showing on animal planet how many hillbillies we're sitting at home watching us going I'm telling you it is animal planet we are watching animal planet we are we are watching a fucking mermaid it's a real fucking mermaid where's the video play the video It's your internet's...

[75] I've got it right here.

[76] I'm running it.

[77] Oh, that's probably why.

[78] It's so dumb, dude.

[79] It's so dumb.

[80] It hurts my brain.

[81] It looks so fake.

[82] Here, I'll stop it, so maybe you'd be able to get it.

[83] Our internet here is so whack.

[84] But only for a few more days.

[85] It's going to be fixed in a week.

[86] Is this one of those things, though?

[87] Because I know, like...

[88] Here, I'll kill mine.

[89] The animal planet does have reenactments a lot.

[90] Yeah, they killed mine and now yours works.

[91] Yeah.

[92] I wonder if I like restricts IPs.

[93] I wonder if my cable's that whack.

[94] But is it just a reenactment?

[95] Is that all this is?

[96] No, it's CGI.

[97] No, are they saying this is real footage?

[98] They're not saying shit.

[99] They're just showing it to you.

[100] But they're showing it to you on animal planet.

[101] You know, so you're watching this and you're going, whoa, oh, okay.

[102] So watch this.

[103] Here we go.

[104] North America.

[105] What are you doing there, fellas?

[106] I'm going to zoom out of here.

[107] Why did you press zoom in then, you fuck?

[108] It was fucked up.

[109] So, okay.

[110] looking at this right and you're going okay um what am i saying here is that a person you're like what is this this looks like real water okay that's what the fuck is this it's a fake fucking mermaid it swims ahead of his pod before they make an open water crossing look at this shit you're watching this and you're going to have them down into dark water are feeding grounds it's kind of cool Yeah.

[111] Oh my god.

[112] They really do have mermaids.

[113] They're here.

[114] Is this just trying to teach you about the ocean as if mermaans or hers?

[115] Oh no. See this is the big whale.

[116] The shark fucks up this whale.

[117] And look at the mermaid, all freaked out in Avatar like the crazy x -ray eyes.

[118] Megalodon, a shark as deep as a whale, a shark that ate whales.

[119] God damn, Megalodon.

[120] A shark that ate whales.

[121] But look at that stupid -looking fake mermaid.

[122] And this is on animal planet.

[123] So it's just using the merman to teach you about stuff.

[124] And he's just swimming around like, look, this is what a shark looks like if it eats a whale.

[125] Let's learn something else today.

[126] Yeah, I guess.

[127] I mean that that is exactly what it is I don't know what they're trying to do They're saying well if mermaids exist This is what they'd be like So we made a documentary Where we pretended that they were real And we incorporated them into a regular world So like at one point in time They were mermaids So they're saying Megalodon So I guess the What they're saying is Let's pretend that back when Megalodon was real There were also dolphins So you know what the problem is man The fossil record is kind of tricky because everything doesn't leave a fossil.

[128] So they could pretend that there were some fucking mermaids because it's not like we combed every inch of the ocean looking for fish bones that also have people faces.

[129] We haven't really been looking for that shit.

[130] So they came up with this stupid thing.

[131] That's a good answer.

[132] Yeah.

[133] I don't know what they were thinking when they put that together.

[134] Yeah, there's an article on Snoops about it.

[135] Snopes.

[136] Snopes.

[137] Snoop.

[138] I think Snoops sounds better than Snopes.

[139] Like, I've been snooping around, and I found out the answer's wrong.

[140] And said, Snopes, like, oh, it's snoops.

[141] Yeah, what does Snopes mean?

[142] I don't know.

[143] Maybe I'm right.

[144] Maybe it's snoops.

[145] I don't think it's the person who's misspelled it.

[146] How would they misspell it?

[147] The fuck is wrong with you.

[148] Guy's an idiot.

[149] Silly bitch.

[150] That mermaid thing is so stupid.

[151] I told you about this, the rich guy that I know that has a, he's a merman.

[152] He has a trident.

[153] He has actually has a trident.

[154] And his wife is a mermaid.

[155] And they have a fucking.

[156] whole like their wall they have a monstrous house okay this guy's like a multi -billionaire and they have this monstrous house where um like one side like the entryway like as you enter into the house is a mural that's so funny yeah he owns like some big companies man like hair care products or some shit that's hilarious he's a baller though like an old school old old time baller painting himself on the wall as a Greek cut my uncle my uncle and my aunt they have they're so like uh proper like they're very their whole house is really decorated nice and everything and they both have you know real jobs like he's an accountant or something like that and and but yet he has this taste for really creepy artwork and like you go into each room it's just a big one a woman with a big bush hanging out like a painting though a really beautiful painting but then like over they're in their kitchen they have another painting where a woman just sitting there with her but all exposed and it's just like as a As a kid, I was always like, what the fuck is this?

[157] Like, my mom couldn't say, like, cover your eyes because every single room was that.

[158] And then you go to the bathroom.

[159] And I remember being, like, a 10 -year -old, or not even that, maybe 11 -year -old.

[160] And, like, going to the bathroom in his magazines next to the toilet, we're all playboys.

[161] I'm like, so I would go to the bathroom, like, 15 times a day.

[162] And they just had it open.

[163] It was awesome.

[164] He was a freak.

[165] The dude was a freak.

[166] And it's always those accountant types.

[167] You know, they're all buttoned down and shit.

[168] And then they get home and they're just staring at buttholes.

[169] Look, it's art. It's art. You can do anything.

[170] It's, like, calling it art. As long as you, like, make it kind of crafty, make it, like, shiny and slippery and black and white and weird.

[171] You know, you can have a butthole.

[172] Yeah.

[173] It doesn't matter.

[174] It's still a butthole.

[175] If you're looking to beat off, it's right there.

[176] Have you ever seen Dr. Kavorkian's art?

[177] Uh -uh.

[178] Pull that up.

[179] Because that's when I turned a corner on Dr. Kovorkian.

[180] I thought, like, Dr. Kavorkian, I said, well, you know what, this guy's very noble.

[181] And what he's doing is, you know, he's helping people that are terminally ill. and they're in constant pain and he's giving them a noble way out and I think you know fuck the government for going after this guy and then I saw some of those paintings and I was like okay this guy is fucked up man this guy is fucked up Kovorkian did some like dark shit look at that picture oh look at that picture he's got a guy who has no head okay and he's got his head is on the table in a plate with an apple and it's mouth like a pig you know a pig has an apple his mouth so he's holding up a fork and a knife while he's got no head and then behind him is like back it back it up so everybody gets it behind him looks like some aztec warrior or something like that it looks like yeah like it's like a roman yeah it's like a roman or you know i guess it's supposed to represent that someone did something horrendous to this person is now propping them up in jest or something i don't know this is a road war two helmet which is weird because this is like you know obviously from a different yeah and then there's bullets in this one There's like little bombs here And then it looks like a bunch of crosses And Jewish stars maybe It's very weird J stars He's he had a lot of very weird stuff And you just look at that And you go okay Like are you enjoying killing these people Like You know like Pull that one next to the skull You see the one next to the skull This one right here The one to the left of that That the one in the middle Yeah Way do you see that What's this Like what is this guy saying what the fuck is this guy saying brotherhood yeah he's got like a vampire in the center it's a black guy and a get out of here and there's like a guy who's wearing a suit and the neck of the suit is a vampire an evil vampire in the wreck i mean it's like a DMT trip yeah it's really weird wow look at this it's like some of it is kind of cool you know like the skull one in the middle doesn't really freak me out i go okay well the guy dealt with death i mean that is an accurate representation of skull and some bones nothing wrong with that but the guy eating his own fucking head you don't want to play like what is okay what is the one to the far right above there this one what's the one that looks like an old man that's naked see the one oh shit the one yeah up in the top not not next to that one yeah what is that oh Jesus Christ.

[182] What is that?

[183] That one.

[184] Oh, it's going to show.

[185] Yeah, what is this?

[186] He's like showing someone dying.

[187] It's called fever.

[188] Oh, Jesus.

[189] For the flavor of a pringles.

[190] Beaver for some naked.

[191] Yeah, what is that one?

[192] He's got a guy with holding an arm and his body's breaking apart.

[193] He's holding his own arm.

[194] His body's breaking apart on him.

[195] Wow.

[196] Yeah, I don't remember that's one of the ones that I thought was really dark.

[197] like what's going on with that guy look at this Santa Claus is stepping on a baby Is that the scarecrow?

[198] Yeah Santa Claus is stepping on what?

[199] Was that a pig?

[200] Oh no, that's the baby Jesus No, what is that?

[201] No, it's baby Jesus.

[202] It is a baby Jesus Christ It is baby Jesus Christ Okay, what the fuck?

[203] This guy really did draw, that is a baby He drew Santa Claus's boot Coming out of a chimney, squashing a baby First of all, who the fuck puts a baby in a fireplace?

[204] That's a manner, that's Baby Jesus manner But it's a fireplace.

[205] No. Wasn't Baby Jesus Jewish?

[206] Why don't you let us see the whole picture?

[207] Make it a full screen.

[208] Can you do that?

[209] No, the resolutions.

[210] It's not good enough.

[211] That image, what is that thing to the left?

[212] Is that a scarecrow?

[213] Yeah, you can't draw boots stepping on babies, you fucking weirdo.

[214] Why are you drawing that, man?

[215] See, here's the rest of the wise men up here going, where'd that baby go?

[216] So it's a combination of Santa Claus and the Wizard of Oz.

[217] like that's a zombie what is that is that a party hat on that motherfucker what is that it's a dunce hat is it a dunce hat yeah he was weird man he was a weird fuck the guys got a leaf over his dick though good play yeah good play jack see that when he wants to see a dying guy's dick you could step on a baby that's all well and good but put a leaf over his penis like what is what is he trying to say you know and it's and it's killing religion well when i saw some of that That's when I sort of turned a corner on that cat.

[218] I was like, wow, maybe there's more to the story that meets the eye.

[219] Maybe, you know, I was like, well, maybe this guy, like, met somebody.

[220] And it probably was that, that saw somebody who desperately needed help.

[221] But maybe I also don't draw it a little bit, you know.

[222] Looks like he might have had a taste for the macabre.

[223] Yeah, I mean, you pretty much draw what you like.

[224] Yeah.

[225] So you always used to draw monsters and stuff.

[226] I used to draw boobs and eyeballs.

[227] Yeah, but the difference is I wasn't killing people while I was doing it.

[228] you know you i mean i guess the guy has every right to express himself like that but i was doing it because i loved monster movies and i was 14 this guy's 80 and he's a doctor who kills people and he's you know painting people with no heads i mean i guess you could do whatever you want it's just art right i mean what kind of a hypocrite would i be to say that there's any difference between what he's doing and what gwermel del toro's doing he's just creating art this is his own art you know i don't think gwermel de torre really believes this is some fucking dead lady who lives in a cabin who kills you and raises your babies.

[229] There's this really awesome artist that I just got turned on to named Soie Milk.

[230] And look at this.

[231] This is just a painting she did the other day, but look how crazy it is.

[232] It looks so realistic.

[233] Like, when people can paint, I can't get it bigger.

[234] Oh, right here.

[235] But, like, it's like her face.

[236] It's so hard to get a close -up on these Twitter photos, but see, but check it out on Twitter.

[237] Well, how do you know this person?

[238] I just got turned on to her art. And that's, oh, so you don't know or just know of our art?

[239] Yeah, it's like art. And then, I can't really tell anything.

[240] Just like, okay, looks like good stuff.

[241] I see titties.

[242] Ah, see titties.

[243] Oh, that's it, titties.

[244] That's what it was.

[245] Tittes.

[246] Uh, uh, uh, uh, a senior girl's bottle.

[247] Yeah.

[248] It was titties.

[249] Uh, uh, uh, a senior girl bottle.

[250] No, I said something on the internet, remember?

[251] Because it had something.

[252] Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was part of it.

[253] That was eventually.

[254] Tittis.

[255] Tities.

[256] see your girlfriend's butthole.

[257] Senior girl's butthole.

[258] On the internet.

[259] Yeah.

[260] It was like you would show us tits all the time.

[261] Yeah.

[262] So like you would like he would get pictures.

[263] He was dating this girl that was like a naked model.

[264] And she would send him pictures of tits.

[265] He'd just like stick him in your face.

[266] And then I just started a song, Tite's.

[267] I can see a girlfriend's bow.

[268] I've seen your girl's butt hole.

[269] God, I wish we could remember the actual chorus because the real chorus was really catchy.

[270] It was funny.

[271] We were having fun.

[272] We were baked and we were goofing.

[273] around and somehow another became a song that like repeated itself for like a couple of months.

[274] I could see her girl's boaths.

[275] Uh, uh, a senior girl's boatho.

[276] People at home are going, no. This is a classic example of you guys being stone and think something's funny when it actually is not funny at all.

[277] And to someone who's sober, it's really annoying.

[278] And that's what's annoying about stone people.

[279] God damn it.

[280] That's what happens, man. People get all agitated and shit.

[281] That's when they find, they find agitation and stoners.

[282] Dana White has this.

[283] thing called Meneer's disease.

[284] Have you ever heard of that shit?

[285] Mm -mm.

[286] What's that?

[287] marijuana that's right and has he tried does he do marijuana course not has he ever done we're gonna have to hotbox this motherfucker today i think that's a great idea do we have any more joints rolled i might have one in my car car you might have to go get that shit i can't have one in my car i don't have my car here fuck well there's an ashtray there's at least 15 hits here in these ashtrays yeah we can make it happen we can hop box them we might have to hop box them we might change dana white's life today what if we do one of those things where, like, uh, he puts it, I put it in his mouth and he sucks on the other end of it.

[288] Hey, hey, Jesus Christ, what kind of a guy do you think he is?

[289] What's that called?

[290] It's called you're gay.

[291] It's called you're gay.

[292] Put it into my mouth and suck on this.

[293] What are you even saying?

[294] What time I was with Doug Benson?

[295] I was with Doug Benson and this old man was like, put it in his mouth and told him the hot shockbox.

[296] An old man?

[297] Yeah, and he dug it.

[298] Do they touch mouths?

[299] No, but it was so gay.

[300] Wow.

[301] I forgot all about.

[302] that that's hilarious yeah Doug's a silly bitch I tweeted his picture I was in Utah and I stopped in some Best Buy to pick up some DVDs for the little ones so they can watch Cinderella and shit kids get bored if you don't have like specific shit that they enjoy so we pulled in the space I saw Doug Benton's picture in the comedy section it's kind of cool when you're in the middle of nowhere you don't know anybody you walk into a store and you see your friend's face like oh I know that dude yeah so I tweeted it it right but i instagramed it and when i instagramed it you know how you put uh at doug benson well they cut out the at part when they poured it over from instagram to twitter you know what that means that means they're douchebags no it means that doug benson doesn't have the name doug benson on instagram right you know who does another guy but there is a dog benson on instagram but the difference oh doug benson on twitter is different so that when it goes to twitter it's not the same one so it doesn't give the hashtag to confuse people right okay that's doesn't make sense actually that's actually a smart move but i you know i wanted it to be both twitter and they should give me that option yeah it fucks it should be both because in instagram it goes to this other guy and now i have to just say Doug benson and so i can't ever instagram and tweet something right because if i instagram and tweet it then it leaves that part out yeah that shit's annoying that's one of their problems and that's because instagram and twitter are two different companies so they don't play along that nicely i think somebody needs to pony up the cheddar yeah come up with that instagram money's dog how much you think instagram is worth right now i don't know billions right since vine came out i haven't used it once so oh brian my own stock in vine no if i did i'd be rich as fuck yeah um that's twitter matt staggs just brought up buying to me today it's all the rage the kids are all talking about it yeah but the problem is is that i find myself vining because i want to vine so much because i want to play around with it i want to try things and do things but now i'm not like one of these guys that sit there and do 30 takes trying to make the perfect vine and that you know we don't have to i know well you're okay now you come becoming competitive that's what it is you're trying to put your shit and yeah your old video editing skills are coming back well i'm trying to be the bet you try to be the best at it right well listen man if you are a very talented video editor and you don't do anything with it your videos that You did, man, when we were doing those Desquod videos and we were doing the Joe Show videos, you have some really fucking cool video skills.

[303] I can tell you what killed it immediately.

[304] You're bored them.

[305] No, the new Final Cut Pro.

[306] Really?

[307] Yeah.

[308] It's too hard?

[309] No, it's just the worst program in the world.

[310] And I know I could buy the old one, but whatever, I don't feel like.

[311] I just annoyed the fuck out of me. That much?

[312] It's so bad.

[313] Really?

[314] It's taking, like, if you were a painter, it's taking all your brushes away and replacing them with crayons.

[315] That's how bad it really is.

[316] Well, why don't you just go back to the old one?

[317] Yeah, but I think it's, I mean, they don't really upgrade it or do anything new.

[318] I don't think they, I think they, I think they, I think they even have to uninstall my Final Cut Pro that I have now maybe before I could even put it on.

[319] I heard that Premiere Pro is really good, but Premier Pro is so much money.

[320] I tried to, I was like, how much is Premier Pro?

[321] I'll buy it.

[322] It was like $800.

[323] I'm like, listen, I'll buy it if you want to use it.

[324] If you want to start making videos again.

[325] Because you're really funny at it, man. I mean, like, look, the buffer 360, if it wasn't for that video, that dude would have never done that move.

[326] Yeah.

[327] You know?

[328] I mean, think about that.

[329] The Mincea video.

[330] But there's also the whole fact that now that we do podcasting, it seems like there's nothing that interesting anymore.

[331] Like when we hang out, we're both just like, uh.

[332] I know.

[333] It's like, you know what I do?

[334] I can barely muster up the energy to do those getting on stage videos.

[335] We're like backstage.

[336] Like, oh, shit, here we go.

[337] Right.

[338] But those are fun.

[339] I like doing those.

[340] because also they're fun for me to step back and look because sometimes i can't really believe how big some of those crowds are like when you step back and see the chicago theater or toronto and you look back and you see 3 ,400 fucking people like holy shit this anaheim one's pretty big is it a bigger theater 1300 people or something like that yeah that's like that's a decent size but um like chicago is really big Chicago is 3 ,000 plus um that Vegas place was 3 ,000 there's uh there's like you know Those big crowds are, it's a totally different kind of energy.

[341] That's a weird feeling when you get on stage and there's just a giant rush.

[342] You've seen that Kevin Hart special, the commercial for his upcoming special?

[343] Yeah.

[344] Dude, he's on stage in front of like 18 ,000 people and the cameras behind him, looking out at all these people, like screaming and cheering, you're like, whoa.

[345] I think they had lighters up and shit, too.

[346] What's going on with the UFC video game?

[347] I haven't, is that even, is that dead now?

[348] Because I know THQ is dead.

[349] They are finally 100 % bankrupt down.

[350] Yeah, EA bought it.

[351] EA's going to do the UFC video game.

[352] Now, have you heard anything?

[353] Are you going to be involved with this?

[354] I'm going through.

[355] Oh, I see.

[356] I don't really.

[357] Glad we got this out of the way before Dana showed up.

[358] Yeah, I'll wind up doing it, I'm sure.

[359] Well, you have to do.

[360] Maybe not.

[361] I don't want to.

[362] It's not fun.

[363] Dude, doing those, I mean, it'd be like, oh, poor baby.

[364] You got to fuck.

[365] sit in the room and actually do some work, you fucking pussy.

[366] But the reality is it's not a good time.

[367] It's not like podcasting.

[368] It's not like writing comedy.

[369] It's not like doing all the things I enjoy doing.

[370] And it takes a lot of fucking time that I don't have right now.

[371] And that's the real problem with everything.

[372] With this new show that I can't really mention that I'm putting together right now and then just writing comedy and performing comedy and doing these.

[373] I mean, this is the fourth one of these we did this week.

[374] I didn't think we're going to do four.

[375] I was trying to do three a week because I feel like three keeps me from getting burnt out.

[376] Yeah, it's hard to talk.

[377] Like, on top of this, I'm doing like seven other ones, and I'm, like, dead.

[378] Yeah, well, that's your issue.

[379] Dead inside.

[380] You're doing a little too much.

[381] But, you know, it's your choice.

[382] And it's also, you know, a side business sort of thing you've got going on.

[383] If I don't do it, I probably will be murdered at this point.

[384] Well, and also what we were talking about, we have an interesting situation now with all these comedians that were sort of networked together with and uh i think we we found uh some unique ideas as to how to like help everybody what's the matter i'm just looking for the light control stuck on green we're uh we have some unique opportunities to like uh do specials with people and shit like i like how are he's doing his special now and he's doing it online i would like to do one with joey i would like to do one with you and i think we should probably start doing those we were talking about this before the podcast like doing them out of the ice house like do a special at the ice house would be fucking awesome they already have like one camera that's on you like they film like they'll give you a DVD of the set anyway then we just need like side angles you know set up cameras on the sides of the room film it hire someone to slap it together we could and you get the real club experience which as we're saying before the podcast started quite frankly is better than the theater experience the theater experience is bigger it's crazier it's like wow it's like wow look all these people but it's also really really important to actually be able to feel the vibe of the audience very accurately yeah and when you're in a theater you kind of get like you see the front row or two and you just you're the noise and the feeling of the room kind of just goes upwards or something where when you're a comedy club you can feel if this girl to the right of you is kind of irritated yeah you can feel if you're killing it on this side.

[385] The theater, it's really hard to judge that.

[386] And judging timing is completely different than timing because your laughs have to kind of carry farther.

[387] So your timing is a little different than...

[388] Yeah, the sound carries different.

[389] And the ceiling is, like, way higher.

[390] Like, when you're dealing with a theater, you're dealing with two floors.

[391] Okay, there's a balcony.

[392] In some place, I think Chicago, at three floors.

[393] So you're dealing with a three -story indoor building and this gigantic, cavernous room.

[394] It's just a completely different experience.

[395] It's like the ice house.

[396] It's like you could jump up and touch the ceiling at any place.

[397] Looks like Dana's here.

[398] Hey, look, they showed up.

[399] All right.

[400] Dana White just pulled in with a big smile on his face, all full of toxic gases.

[401] We're alive.

[402] We're on.

[403] I'm here.

[404] We are, Dana's here.

[405] He's doing some hands shakings.

[406] Yeah.

[407] What's up, buddy?

[408] Don't worry about it, man. We've been talking shit.

[409] About all kinds of things.

[410] Yeah, there is no reason to live in Los Angeles and make that commute every day.

[411] If you have to do that commute every day, you need a fucking move.

[412] I'd kill myself.

[413] There's a lot of people to do it.

[414] I'd kill myself.

[415] I'd rather fucking die to do that every day.

[416] I'm not kidding you, man. That is brutal.

[417] It's unbelievable, and it gets worse and worse every year.

[418] I moved here in 94, and it was bad then.

[419] But now it's insanity.

[420] I will never bitch about Las Vegas traffic ever again.

[421] You know, I don't ever experience that when I come here because I know exactly where I got to going i don't ever oh this is mad it's madness it's madness i left two hours ago yeah oh that's you got lucky you got lucky i mean seven o 'clock you should if you left an hour before that you would have been even more fucked this place is cool yeah like it when you like the werewolf yeah that's trippy where'd you get that i just had it made uh this guy pat mcgee this uh he does a special you had somebody make a werewolf yeah it's american werewolf in london and next is the alien right you got to get the alien next the predator yeah he's going to make me an alien too he does that as well.

[422] You saw his, yeah, Pat McGee is this guy, he's a special effects dude and he's one of the things he does.

[423] He makes he's, uh, he's made like 70 of these.

[424] No kidding.

[425] Seventy people out there with these fucking things.

[426] That is crazy.

[427] Giant American werewolf.

[428] I'm a grown -up child, Dana.

[429] I know.

[430] Just like you.

[431] That's what I love about you.

[432] That's what I love about you too.

[433] Dana and I have known each other for what do we meet in like 2001 or something like that?

[434] I came down to watch UFC and we started talking shit.

[435] And that was back when you guys had just taken over the company and you were just sort of trying to figure out what the fuck was going on with this thing.

[436] It's so funny to see, it's like very rare in life that you get a chance to see, like, some people buy a sport, like literally by the whole sport.

[437] I mean, there was nothing going on, just pride in Japan, but I mean, America, there's not.

[438] You bought the sport, and then it became gigantic all over the course of, like, a decade or so.

[439] Like, when has that ever happened?

[440] Right.

[441] Not with skateboarding, not with motocross, not with soccer, not with, they tried with a million different fucking things.

[442] Nothing has ever gone from being like a spectacle.

[443] Like the first event I worked was Dothan, Alabama, UFC 12, 1997.

[444] That was with SEG.

[445] We were in a fucking like auditorium somewhere.

[446] It was like maybe a thousand people scattered in a 2 ,000 seat place, right?

[447] And it was, it was a little tiny fucking airport.

[448] You fly in on a propeller plane.

[449] It was ridiculous.

[450] Right.

[451] To go from...

[452] That's why when people, you know, when people talk to me and they say, you know, and I see shit on the internet or I read stuff on Twitter and like, yeah, these fucking guys are in it for the money.

[453] It's all about the money and this and that.

[454] We tell you what.

[455] When we fucking bought this thing in 2001, the Fratitas owned station casinos, the fourth largest gaming company in the country.

[456] They own Gordon Beers Brewing Company.

[457] They sold it.

[458] They've owned fucking real estate.

[459] You name it.

[460] These guys have had their hands.

[461] and everything they've bought and sold just about everything and major stocks and all these deals and shit when I talked them into buying this company dude the guys that work for them you know there's an army of guys that work for them to do all their finance and shit thought this was the dumbest fucking idea in the history of the world I remember they hated they hated you hated me hated the fucking UFC we were the red -headed stepchild of the Furtita portfolio you know I remember when the Vladimir Matt Yushenko Tito Ortiz fight went over And I wasn't working for you guys back then I was a spectator and it was right after September 11th And it was fucking really dramatic I mean Tito was standing there And he had the American flag in his hand And people went fucking crazy The energy in that room If you remember at that time when that happened It was two weeks after September 11th And we actually sold out Mandalay Bay It was already sold out But we didn't know if anybody was gonna fucking show up You know what I mean Right because September 11th Nobody was flying place for I'm not kidding you, Las Vegas was a ghost town.

[462] You could fucking run through a casino naked and nobody would see you.

[463] It was dead.

[464] And real weird, eerie time, fucking everybody got, everybody came to Las Vegas for that event, man. It was like the first big event back in Vegas after all the shit had happened.

[465] I came for that event.

[466] I wasn't working for you guys.

[467] And every fight sucked.

[468] Every fight sucked.

[469] And then we went over on the fucking pay -per -view.

[470] Yeah, you guys didn't have.

[471] have it down yet.

[472] I'm a pretty upbeat person.

[473] I don't get depressed.

[474] I don't get fucking.

[475] I seriously was thinking about fucking killing myself that night.

[476] I went and I hung out with you guys after it was over.

[477] It was you and Lorenzo and you just spoke the after party was like the shittiest after party ever.

[478] We were like, we have to give everybody their money back.

[479] Like, whoa.

[480] Yep.

[481] So you guys, it got to this point where you were thinking about selling it.

[482] That's why people, you know what to hear something funny?

[483] People always ask me why I don't do the fucking, what's called the star spangled banner you know yeah what is it that what is yeah why why i don't do that we did it that night we did it that night and i completely fucking blame that for going over this is my that that was why it happened because it's almost like you had to do it's over after september 11 right there was like a crazy energy in the year that night it was uh it was really intense when tito made this like big dramatic entrance that was back when you guys still had the ramp and tito's at the top of the ramp and tito's at the top of the ramp and I don't know if there's pyrotechnics.

[484] I don't really remember.

[485] Oh, we used to fucking blow half the building up back then.

[486] Yeah, like half the place.

[487] I was so happy when you guys stopped doing that.

[488] We almost lit Tito on fire in the metallands.

[489] Jesus Christ.

[490] Well, guys have gotten lit on fire many times.

[491] You know why we did that?

[492] Nobody knows why we did that.

[493] Why we did that big stage?

[494] Why?

[495] The ramp and all the pyrotechnics.

[496] Why?

[497] Because we didn't sell that many tickets back then.

[498] Oh, so you ate up some room with a ramp.

[499] You could cut off a quarter of the building and make it look like the place.

[500] then you sold out back pride did it like as a pageantry thing pride had some amazing entrances but they lit joe il de olivera on fire you remember and they got to bring them back i'm not joking oh i believe it we almost lit tito on fire i believe it yeah it's that's a dangerous thing fucking pirate techniques and shit and yeah it's not necessary i don't like to make the place look full back then though you had to take up a quarter of the arena and then you got last tickets to sell my favorite walk in is frankie edgar because when they let that Motherful, Biggie, don't, don't, don't.

[501] He just starts running.

[502] He just runs.

[503] Let me tell you how much better I like guys coming out of tunnels.

[504] Yeah.

[505] You know, we did what we had to do in the beginning with this thing.

[506] And there was a lot of smoke and mirrors and stuff that you have to do to make something like this happen and to grow it.

[507] But for me, I'm a hardcore, traditional fucking to the bone fight fan.

[508] I want to see a dude coming out of the bowels of the fucking arena through a tunnel and through a crowd of arms and hands.

[509] sticking out and people going crazy i love that shit yeah me too nick the two sit down you're fucking nervous prick what are you doing you're wandering around back there holding on to your dick there's a whole couch here fellow you you've been sucking in gas fumes for an hour and a half no park it he's been sleeping for fucking 11 hours are you kidding me now he's all wired and ready to fucking roll if you've never seen dana has these world famous video blogs where there's no no president of any company that lets people in as much as you let people in but you do these video blogs where occasionally some ridiculous things take place and one of them was our good pal joe lozon and nick the tooth in a grappling competition he gave joe loz on a thousand dollars for every submission that he could pull off in five minutes bad move and he put a six a six submission beaten down on the tooth you know and and nick was like yeah i believe you tap i mean he's a fucking professional fighter like what are you talking about the people are so ridiculous when it comes to like professional fighters dude you know how many people ask me they're they're like you get these these fucking guys who think, you know, that really don't get and appreciate how good these fighters really are and what to be a mixed martial artist really means.

[510] And now I got these guys saying, you're fucking crazy.

[511] You actually think that Rhonda Rousey could fucking do something.

[512] Oh, my fucking God.

[513] Do you know what any fucking idea?

[514] Do you know what she did to that boxer?

[515] You know about all that?

[516] I saw it.

[517] I watched a video.

[518] This silly bitch.

[519] It's a beast.

[520] She's a 150 -pound beast.

[521] Okay, she cuts weight to make 135.

[522] She's 150.

[523] Yeah.

[524] Did you see the video online of that reporter guy's supposed to be reviews some fucking dude with a camcorder?

[525] He showed up with a guy and was, uh, and asked, you know, he said, this is a couple days ago before a fight.

[526] And she's, he says, well, you know, I don't think girls really are that tough and this, that and everything else.

[527] What would it take to, to get you to throw me?

[528] She goes, you said the right things already, buddy, let's do this.

[529] She grabbed him by his fucking geese.

[530] And I'm telling you, the judo shit scares me, man. When they take your feet out.

[531] Oh, yeah.

[532] feet go up in the air over and she could tell she she was using her fucking weight and she came down on that dude hard she fucked him up i'm sure man yeah yeah you don't want to lock horns with an olympian you know and the idea that i've heard people say silly shit about her like that she's oh she's a woman i wouldn't be scaled she'll break your fucking arm man your face and your neck and but you don't know how like when you see like how quick her hips move when she hits arm bars that's some really high level shit when she whips those hips over like the amount of time you have to recognize what she's doing and the amount of control she has and the ability to adjust while you're realizing she's doing it she knows what you're going to do she's done that a million fucking time true so she knows that she's throwing those things that you're going to try to pull out so she's going to scoot forward and she's going to catch you and belly down on you and snap your shit son and she's got a fucking neck right and she's got And she's beautiful.

[533] Shoulder.

[534] And she's still beautiful.

[535] She's still a woman.

[536] But she's about as like fit and strong.

[537] Oh, it's Aaron true.

[538] Aaron is so silly.

[539] He does this everywhere.

[540] I told him.

[541] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[542] I told him to stop doing this because he's letting guys beat him up.

[543] Like Jason Ellis beat the shit out of him, man. Beat the shit out of him.

[544] He might fucking change his mind after this one.

[545] Oh, she did it on hard wood.

[546] Oh, my God.

[547] Watch, that's nothing, bro.

[548] Wait until she throws him.

[549] Oh, no, she does.

[550] On hard wood.

[551] oh my god oh my god she does it's so easy too could it freeze up oh why it's when she lands on boom oh all on one rib all on like this side oh Jesus Christ yeah Aaron has cyborgs beat the shit out of him he's had a lot of people beat the shit out of him yeah that's look at his face man that's not fun yeah that's so stupid but he always does this he actually asked for it he's doing like a jackass sort of a thing yeah that's a good way to get that guy in about eight years see how he's feeling yeah especially he's not even doing it on a mat he's doing it on like a dance floor he's doing it for nothing not like you're fucking fighting and trying to be the best and getting paid he's not doing it for nothing because we're talking about him yeah see that's what he's trying to do yeah he's going out jackass style listen what's his name Aaron true Aaron true I hope you make a million dollars off off this podcast okay go I hope so buddy you're out of your fucking mind yeah i wouldn't let that happen he he lets a lot of people beat him up he lets uh like i said he let uh if you watch the jason ellis one that's the worst one ellis beat that shit out of him he like sparred with jason and jason just started wailing on him like full blast power shots to the head he was like yeah i wasn't right after that for a couple weeks i'm like yeah no kidding it's called the concussion it's called brain damage dude what the fuck are you doing with yourself are you out of your mind speaking of brain damage did you know that your meneer's disease that cannabis is like one of the best cures for that show?

[552] Did you know that?

[553] I did not know that.

[554] I'll tell you what the...

[555] I'll be meeting up for you, pal.

[556] The tooth has actually been doing a lot of research for me on the Meneers thing.

[557] You actually found some shit.

[558] You know, I'm seeing all these doctors and stuff.

[559] Well, tell folks who don't know what we're talking about.

[560] You've had this issue for how many years now?

[561] So what happened was when I was 21 years old, I lived in Boston, and I got jumped one night at this bar.

[562] And these dudes beat the living shit out of me for about a good, 20 minutes, 20 minutes, literally, until the police came.

[563] And at one point, I remember I was on one knee, and this fucking guy must have punched me in this ear a thousand times, you know?

[564] Oh, my God.

[565] You know, and I was getting kicked and hit from all kinds of different directions.

[566] The guys were from Charlestown.

[567] I'm lucky I didn't get stabbed.

[568] I'm lucky I got the shit beat out of me. So after that happened, my ear rang for months.

[569] I mean, fucking loud to where I couldn't sleep and stuff like that.

[570] So I went to the doctor and they said, yeah, you have.

[571] permanent hearing loss and damage to that ear and everything else.

[572] So no big deal.

[573] You know, it was what it was.

[574] And I, you know, later on in life, it eventually turned into Meneers, which is nerve damage.

[575] And the brain is telling, the nerve is telling the brain we're moving when we're really not.

[576] And it causes, when I say spin, man, the room starts spinning so fast.

[577] You have to grab onto shit.

[578] You close your eyes.

[579] You go in the dark and just close your eyes.

[580] Sometimes for hours.

[581] You know, when this thing hits me, I'm down for.

[582] sometimes eight or nine hours and uh so there's no cure for it but they have these real controversial surgeries that you can go in and do and you know i'm a fucking lunatic so i'm like i don't give a shit i'm getting the surgery da -da -da -da and the doctor was kind of him and hon on it i said just do it doc well i just went in yesterday you didn't you didn't know this because we didn't talk about this yet so this was my first follow -up and the fucking surgery was a complete disaster so that's why i've been so fucked up lately it was a disaster in what way Um, it, uh, it helped 70 % of the people.

[583] It helps.

[584] I'm the 30 % that went the other way.

[585] So now I've almost completely lost the hearing in this year.

[586] My hearing is almost completely gone.

[587] And I've been having attacks every day.

[588] The last two days I haven't had an attack.

[589] So it's been pretty cool.

[590] And, uh, I'm feeling pretty good.

[591] But like I said, so that's, that's the, in a nutshell.

[592] There's nothing you can do about it unless now I opt to go in and get the surgery where they cut the nerve, which will put me in the hospital for seven days.

[593] And then I'll have to learn how to walk.

[594] walk again so for how long how long is it take to learn how to walk again left right foot Lorenzo said his dad learned to walk again in a month so and his dad was in his 60s when he did it he had the same operation yeah whoa so I I don't know a month a month of not knowing how to walk yeah and then depth perception like picking things up like this whoa yeah yeah people don't realize how much the ear is related to equilibrium that's why when guys get punched sometimes you see in a fight or kicked yeah they they they get Yeah, their equilibrium goes And it's an ear injury, an inner ear injury And sometimes eardrums get popped They get blown out from punches That's like, especially you see that a lot In the old days, guys would slap guys in the ears a lot When they would have them on a side They would slap them, you know, instead of punching them And you know, it works like hell Fuck yeah, it does A lot of guys have broken their hands Ground and pounding on dudes Because the fucking skull is stronger than the knuckle The reality is And one of the things about boxing gloves His boxing gloves actually help protect your hand.

[595] And look how many guys break their hands in boxing by hitting the head.

[596] Yeah, Floyd.

[597] It's unbelievable that there isn't a lot more hand damage in the MMA.

[598] Yeah, it is.

[599] I mean, well, there is a lot, though, if you really stop and think about how many guys break their hands, it's pretty extraordinary.

[600] But to the point, to the point, to the point, Floyd's hands were so bad, it looked like he was going to have to retire at one point.

[601] Yeah, what did he wind up doing about that?

[602] Did he get some crazy?

[603] Yeah, he got some crazy good surgeon.

[604] He's got little tiny hands.

[605] It's weird.

[606] Well, he's a tiny guy.

[607] Yeah.

[608] I mean, anybody who's ever met Floyd on TV, everybody looks bad.

[609] He's tiny.

[610] Yeah, but his, uh, he was using special gloves for a while and he's pulling his punches and just, just out boxing guys and pity patting him, you know, he was breaking his hands like crazy for a while, right?

[611] Oh, speaking to that.

[612] Have you seen this kid?

[613] We didn't talk about this kid yet.

[614] The fuck's his name.

[615] Adrian Broner?

[616] Brooner, yeah.

[617] Yeah.

[618] God damn, that kid's good.

[619] I like him a lot.

[620] Woo!

[621] The whole stick he's got going on is fucking stupid, you know?

[622] Well, he's young.

[623] He's young.

[624] He's young.

[625] acting like yeah dude nobody could be that fucking obnoxious nobody would hang out with the guy ever no care who you are he's just trying to get attention i know but he's so good yeah he doesn't need it he doesn't need he's fucking good man he's like floyd he's brilliant but excited you know he tries to finish he's very dangerous yeah and how about this kid reese from fucking england it fought him yeah oh he shit tough kids tough balls on that dude with just brought a pop gun to a gun fight yeah that was the problem he couldn't sting him the other thing too is you know i've always been critical of the European boxing style, that dude can box.

[626] Yeah.

[627] Rees can box, man. He's got great boxing skills, and he, you know, he hits hard, too.

[628] He hit Broner with some shots.

[629] He did, and he really sharpened up his head movement for that fight.

[630] They said that that was going to be the big issue.

[631] He was too stiff, but he's like, no, no, no. For this guy, I'm going to move a lot.

[632] Yeah, what a talented guy, man. He looked good.

[633] Yeah, Broner's amazing, man. He's exciting, and he's going to move up to 140, hopefully, and there's a lot of good fights for him at 140.

[634] And 135, it's like, it's pretty much cleaned it out already.

[635] That's why Floyd went the showtime.

[636] You think so?

[637] Because of Broner?

[638] I don't know.

[639] Who's he going to fight over there?

[640] Well, I mean, isn't Floyd, well, Floyd's 147.

[641] I mean, basically if Broner can make one 40, you can make one, yeah, he's a big kid.

[642] He will be too.

[643] He will be too.

[644] You know, and fucking combinations that kid throws, they're like half as, like, half the amount of time they take to land five, six punches.

[645] I mean, he's so fast.

[646] Floyd and Broner.

[647] I mean, yeah.

[648] Well, I think right now Floyd's probably his boxing is just like a little, probably a little too sharp, a little too clean.

[649] You know, the times that Reese popped him, what would Floyd do?

[650] Would Floyd be able to shut him down?

[651] Yeah, that's true.

[652] Bruner can put together combinations like, Jesus Christ.

[653] It'd be a fun fight.

[654] Yeah.

[655] The combinations that he landed on Reese in like the second and third is like, Jesus.

[656] Unbelievable combinations.

[657] Like ruthless speed.

[658] I love it.

[659] Yeah.

[660] I love when there's great fights, man. I love fights, man. I love when there's a new guy that raises the bar, too.

[661] I stayed up in England until 5 in the morning to watch that fight.

[662] Oh, really?

[663] Yeah, I was in the U .K. for the Wembley fight.

[664] Whenever a guy comes along, like, a Roy Jones Jr., when he was in his prime, or like an Anderson Silva is right now.

[665] I love it, man. It's so fun to watch a guy that's just, like, almost feels like untouchable.

[666] He's just like, wow, what's going to happen here?

[667] Like, what's going to happen with this puzzle?

[668] Anderson's so fucking fun to watch.

[669] I dread the day that dude retires my eyes.

[670] I used to think that Roy Jones, Jr. did some crazy shit.

[671] Like, he would put his hand behind his back and then knock somebody out.

[672] But what he wouldn't do is stand with his back to a cage and let a guy, come on, come on.

[673] A guy who weighs 205 pounds and is on steroids fucking take shots at him.

[674] How about that?

[675] Right?

[676] Yeah.

[677] And then blast him and drop him with a perfectly placed knee.

[678] If you knew how, you know, Bonner flew home with me after that because he was having a baby, if you knew how freaked out he was by that fight, the fight just fucking.

[679] And he's like, that dude lives in the Matrix.

[680] That dude lives in.

[681] He says, nobody's ever done that to me before.

[682] I mean, he just treated me like I was nothing, and I've never fought before.

[683] And he was fucking tripping.

[684] It was a trippy fight.

[685] It was a trippy to watch, especially considering that's, like, way above his weight class, and he manhandled Bonner.

[686] When they got in a clinch, he tripped him, and then he just perfectly timed Bonner stand up.

[687] And as soon as Bonner stood up, boom, blasted him in the solar plexus.

[688] I mean, he was like getting shot by a cannon.

[689] I mean, he just went down.

[690] When was the last time a guy went down with a knee to the body like that before?

[691] Yeah, I know.

[692] You know, I mean, that was, yeah, like he got shot.

[693] I mean, that's what he does.

[694] When he throws that knee, man, it ruins people.

[695] Yeah.

[696] I mean, look at the, it was the same way when he was knee and Rich Franklin, you know, he grabbed him in that clinch.

[697] It was just, he's just, he's just phenomenal, man. The guy's just an amazing fighter.

[698] And he's in his prime right now.

[699] He's, like, got that perfect combination of confidence and experience and success.

[700] Yeah.

[701] He's in some weird zone right.

[702] to make him and fucking Jones happen man I have to make that fight happen do you think that but he keeps talking about going to 170 right he's talking about what what Anderson's talking about what Anderson really talks about he fucks with the media a lot what he really talks about is big fights he wants big fights you know um so he's got to walk this fine line we're probably going to do a 10 fight deal with this guy which is amazing what is he 37 or 38 he's going to be 38 and to have him under another 10 fight And, God, I hope this guy fights 10 more times, you know?

[703] I hope it's possible.

[704] Yeah.

[705] I love, I just, you know, it's like when I saw this Broner kid, like when you see somebody that's special, the guys that really got something really special.

[706] It's just Anderson Silva is just fucking unbelievable.

[707] He is unbelievable and you go, man, how is he going to keep that up?

[708] But then you look at Herschel Walker.

[709] Yeah.

[710] Hershal Walker is like almost 50 years old and he's fucking shredded.

[711] Right.

[712] I mean, he looks amazing.

[713] He does.

[714] And they said that Herschel Walker was training with, like, young football players, and he was out running them, out conditioning them.

[715] I mean, like, people are like going, what the fuck is going on?

[716] He's almost 50 years old.

[717] And then Bernard Hopkins, he's fighting for the light heavyweight title.

[718] He's 48.

[719] Yeah.

[720] 48 fucking years old.

[721] Hopkins is shocking, especially in boxing.

[722] Yeah, no one's like that.

[723] But, you know, I'm pretty sure Hopkins was in jail early on in his career for a while.

[724] Yeah.

[725] So he had a big layoff early when he was young.

[726] yeah you know and always took care of himself stayed in shape no drugs no alcohol no bullshit it makes a big difference yeah the discipline he's never out of shape so he never allows himself to have to work back to get there party and kills fighters it does kills him man does i saw it happen to chuck yeah yeah it does we've seen so many guys like that just they get so crazy with the the success and they're so crazy with the pussy yeah fucking the king of the world it's it's so hard to do the whole the whole the whole Chuck Liddell era, when Chuck beat Tito that night, it's just fucking, it was crazy, man. You know, I'd been together since 1997 or something like that, 98 maybe, and then to see that fucking explosion and just how this dude became so huge.

[727] Like, after his fights, everybody wanted a piece of that guy.

[728] It was insane.

[729] It was fucking insane, man. I've never seen anything like it.

[730] yeah he rode like a wild crazy wave for like four or five years and then just like all right now it's like now he's like back to being a normal dude again yeah it's really strange now he's completely fucking normal and which is good i'm happy man yeah he did it he got fucking crazy when it was time to get crazy you know and then he settled down yeah it's very impressive it makes me wonder if he hadn't partied how much how much longer he could have stayed but you know what that dude made so much fucking money and and and you know he's He's sad.

[731] He's good.

[732] It was also his style.

[733] His style was so aggressive.

[734] He was such a destroyer that like that style, you put yourself in danger.

[735] And it was also that he had this incredible chin and he had this willingness to trade.

[736] He would get in there and he would eat one to give one.

[737] That's what made him so perfect too for the time that we were coming up.

[738] Because you had all these guys that understood boxing and not a lot of people understood the ground game.

[739] And that was what people loved about this guy.

[740] He was a fucking warhorse who just moved forward and would eat shots to give, you know, he'd take three to give you that one fucking, you know, boom.

[741] And it was a time where a lot of people thought the ground part, like, if there weren't like really good practitioners, like some people weren't into the ground part, they would like, boo.

[742] Well, Chuck was the best guy at avoiding it and the best guy at getting back up.

[743] When he would hit the ground, he would boom, he would immediately explode with underhooks, he scoot his hips back.

[744] He would be up quicker than anybody.

[745] Yep.

[746] Even if you took him down, except Randy.

[747] Ram was the only guy that was able to take him down and hold him down.

[748] But that was when Chuck, he didn't take that fight seriously enough.

[749] Dude, I'll never forget that as long as I fucking live.

[750] The night before he FACO tour, it's like 2 .30 in the morning at the Hard Rock.

[751] And I'm walking through the Hard Rock, and he's fucking there at the Hard Rock.

[752] I go, what the fuck are you doing?

[753] Why are you here?

[754] Oh, dude, I'm just, right?

[755] I can worry about it.

[756] I don't know what I'm doing.

[757] I said, dude, get your fucking punk ass home and go to bed.

[758] Are you fucking crazy?

[759] You know what I mean?

[760] It was just such a given that he was going to win this fight.

[761] Wow.

[762] And, you know, boom.

[763] I've seen that.

[764] I've seen guys that were fighting where I ran into it at 3 o 'clock in the morning.

[765] I ran into Ken Shamrock in a diner.

[766] It was 3 .30 a .m. in Florida when he was going to fight Tito.

[767] He was going to fight Tito at the Hard Rock.

[768] Remember that?

[769] Yeah.

[770] That was a big fight.

[771] It was like 3 .30 in the morning, and we were getting breakfast, and Ken walked in.

[772] I'm like, aren't you fighting today?

[773] And he was just all smart.

[774] That was the one that I had to do for free because the pay -per -view one sucks so bad.

[775] Remember they fought in the pay -per -view?

[776] And then the ref jumped in and stop it, and Ken jump right back up.

[777] Oh, that's right.

[778] You stopped that fight.

[779] I was still in this thing, you know?

[780] Right, that's right.

[781] So I did the fight again for free at the hard rock and we put it on Spike.

[782] That's right.

[783] That's right.

[784] 3 .30 a .m., he was getting breakfast, he was hanging out.

[785] I was like, you're not in bed yet?

[786] Jesus Christ.

[787] Yeah.

[788] Yeah.

[789] Well, it showed.

[790] Well, I think Ken hit a point in his career where he was just sort of cashing in.

[791] Yeah.

[792] There's no doubt about it.

[793] I mean, he was unbelievably ferocious in his early days.

[794] You know, you go back and you watch like some of his early fights.

[795] I mean, he was a fucking animal.

[796] He went after it.

[797] But then after a while, it's like, how many times can you do that?

[798] You know?

[799] How many times can you have those those brutal fights over and over again, those fights that he had over in pride, too.

[800] It's like, after a while, it's like, there's not much left.

[801] You've got to cash in.

[802] I agree.

[803] When you see guys like Dan Severn, and you see, like, Dan, like, recently retired.

[804] Right.

[805] I mean, how old is he now?

[806] He's in his 50s.

[807] He's in his 50s.

[808] You know, that's one of the weirdest aspects of the fight game.

[809] Like, you can't tell a guy to stop.

[810] But you look at a guy like him, though, he's just such a fucking competitor.

[811] Has been, was a wrestler.

[812] These wrestlers are fucking tough.

[813] man and uh you know as crazy as it is you know i respect the guy yeah it's crazy but i respect him well he was doing his own thing there's i'm telling you and you know this you've been around the game long enough these dudes were fucking born to do this the guys who fight were put on this fucking earth if they weren't fighting they'd be fucking some shit up somewhere you know what i mean it would be scary if imagine you get some of these weirdos you know you get some of fucking freaks out there it's like that want to try to control people's lives and tell them what they can do and people shouldn't be fighting and people shut the fuck people shouldn't be playing golf asshole you know what i mean right that's what i think so does that really mean people shouldn't be playing fucking golf no well i think the idea that they're saying by saying that people shouldn't be fighting is that you're encouraging something that's uh antisocial behavior or something that's a bad contrary to the way we want society to be you want to see anti social behavior make it so these guys can't fucking fight it's make it's make it you so there's no outlet.

[814] See what happens.

[815] Tie him down and make them watch opera.

[816] They'll hook out on you.

[817] Remember fucking, I ran Barclay.

[818] Yeah.

[819] There was some, after some fight, I ran Barclay, the guy asked them and said, so if you weren't fighting, what would you be doing?

[820] He said, I'd be robbing your house right now, you know?

[821] And those dudes were fucking serious.

[822] I mean, if you ask those guys in boxing, some of the guys from the old days that came from boxing, they'd be fucking dead or in jail or doing something bad.

[823] You know, boxing and a lot of other combat sports.

[824] has taken people out of the streets and fucking dude me and mike tyson have talked about this for hours for fucking hours about it he talks about what he would have been doing if he didn't fucking if if he first of all he didn't hook up with cuss and he didn't go up there and he didn't he said cuss broke me down as a fucking human being and then built me back up and he said i honestly truly believe that me and him were put together because he's the only one that could have fucking done it because let me tell you what i would have been doing if he's If I didn't meet Cuss and I didn't get into boxing.

[825] Yeah, he had so much respect for that guy as a trainer and so much respect for him as a father figure that it, like, inspired him to greatness.

[826] It inspired him to focus 100 % on pleasing that guy.

[827] Because that was the first guy to really show him love and to really show him respect and to have faith in him.

[828] And then under him, all of a sudden all these great things are happening, all the success is happening.

[829] So it reinforced his love for him.

[830] And he talked about how much fucking anger he had inside of him at that time.

[831] he had a lot of anger that needed to be expressed yes well you watch those combinations he throws when he's training with cuss there's a video of him i think i think it's i don't know if it's kevin rooney or teddy atlas or who's working with him but he's throwing off combinations on the bag and he's probably like 18 years old and it's like and you're just watching these ridiculous ruthless violent combinations like no one has ever thrown before i don't give a fuck about Joe Lewis.

[832] Muhammad Ali was the greatest, yes, a great cultural figure, a great boxer for his era.

[833] I think Mike Tyson was the greatest freak that's ever existed.

[834] I don't think there's ever been anybody like that.

[835] I agree.

[836] The Marvis Frazier fight?

[837] You remember that fight?

[838] Oh, fuck yeah.

[839] Jesus Christ.

[840] That was as close to a murder as you could watch on television.

[841] When you start to watch the old fights of Tyson coming up, there's guys that he just fucking murder.

[842] Murder.

[843] Frank Bruno fight just clubbed him.

[844] And at the time, when I was first coming up in boxing, right, there was a gym called Golden Gloves.

[845] And Golden Gloves was the first gym that I worked out of Vegas.

[846] And they used to shut the place down for Mike when Mike would come in, right?

[847] So he'd come in and train there'd be fucking 50 brand new cars that would pull in the fucking park.

[848] Dude, it was craziness.

[849] The aura that surrounded Tyson at that time and just all the crazy shit that went on.

[850] He had tigers.

[851] Yeah.

[852] He had tigers.

[853] Everlast made a special bag for him.

[854] So they'd come in and take down the bags in the fucking gym, the real bags, and they'd put up these special bags that were fucking this big.

[855] They were just massive.

[856] You couldn't put your arms around them, right?

[857] When he would hit a regular fucking bag that you would buy, you know when you break a firecracker in half?

[858] That's what the fucking bag would look like when he would hit it.

[859] The fucking thing would snap in half this way and come back this way.

[860] the fucking power that this guy had when he punched you had to be there to see it in person to really believe it like you said the combination you see him throwing on the bag and just if when you saw it in person you were just like what the fuck love to see that in person you need to see what you have to do is you have to go see his fucking stand -up show he told me about it yeah bro if you even remotely like Tyson back in the day the Mitch blood green story that he tells I'm not going to fuck with it because you got to see Tyson tell it it is awesome he's he just he's on tour right he just called me today he just called me today he's he's got a reality show what so he asked me to be in his reality show oh my god so i start filming his reality show with him like next week oh my god it's the odd couple it's mike and dana yeah no it's it's not just me and him it's just i'm fucking doing a cameo or so i don't what he wants for me but every time he asked me to do him a favor i'm like dude i do anything isn't it weird when mike tyson calls yeah do you look at your phone and go oh shit mike Tyson's calling you.

[861] I fucking, dude, Tyson is my favorite all -time, you know, I fucking love Mike Tyson.

[862] Yeah, he's one of my favorite all -time fighters as well.

[863] There was nothing like a Tyson fight.

[864] Yeah, exactly.

[865] They were different.

[866] There were different experiences.

[867] So true.

[868] You know, when you saw him fight somebody like, Jesus Christ, what is Tony Tubbs going to do to him?

[869] How about when you're watching, I don't give a fuck if you were there live, which I was very lucky that I was able to do that, you know, go to a few Mike Tyson fights live when he fought or if you were sitting at home watching tv as soon as they fucking showed him on camera walking out you just fucking got the goosebumps and went oh my he was so terrifying i love that scene in in the movie tyson where he talks about what's going through his mind all his insecurities go away by the time he gets to the king where he got time he gets to the ring rather that is such a great with the way he's talking through it there i'm a god i'm indestructible there's nothing better.

[870] There's nothing.

[871] I mean, when you watch a Tyson documentary, it's fucking awesome.

[872] You just, you're in awe.

[873] I just, yeah, it was a completely different cultural experience than, like, the Muhammad Ali era must have been.

[874] Because the Muhammad Ali thing was like, Muhammad Ali was different because he was so much more admirable as a human being.

[875] Like, what he did was like, during the Vietnam War, he said, you know what, man, why are we going to war?

[876] Why do you, why are you sending me to war?

[877] Well, I don't want to kill no Vietnam Kong.

[878] No Vietnam.

[879] And then everybody in America was like, yeah, what the fuck is going on?

[880] What are you doing?

[881] And then they took his, I mean, they made a martyr out of him by taking his career away for three years.

[882] So when you see, like, Muhammad Ali, you see a different thing.

[883] You see like a troubled time, the Nixon administration, and people were down on the government, and the Vietnam War was so unpopular.

[884] When you see Mike Tyson, you just saw destruction.

[885] It was a completely different experience.

[886] It's like, he was like Sunny Liston on meth.

[887] It was like sunny Liston, but moving 100 miles an hour, and there was no Muhammad Ali to stop him.

[888] There was no Muhammad Ali to, you know, no young, brash kid to be thrown in with boxing.

[889] You know, I always talk about when I'm talking about the UFC to people who really don't understand fighting in the sport and stuff.

[890] So the way that I usually break it down for them is I say, listen, you look at the NFL, how big the NFL is, been trying to go over here, go over there.

[891] Cricket's big over there and never big over here.

[892] Fighting, you know, crosses all cultural language barriers and shit.

[893] No matter what color you are, what country you come from, what language you speak, we're human beings and fighting in our fucking DNA.

[894] what really you know when you really think about fucking all the most famous guys think about Michael Jordan how big he is you know people know Michael Jordan in some parts of the world Gretzky here and there you think of all the greats think about who are really fucking well known everywhere all of the fucking planet and worshipped guys like fucking Tyson you know what's weird Mohammed Ali Bruce Lee Vladimir Klitsko that motherfucker gets on a plane nobody even pays attention to him right I was on a plane with him and my heart friend was like who's that fucking john i go dude that's the heavyweight boxing champion in the world he goes the heavyweight boxing champion's a white guy i go yeah it's a white russian guy he's a doctor he's like a professor and shit he's vladimir klitchko he's like a brilliant guy plays chess and shit dude is playing chess on his iPad while he sits the most boring fucking guys in the history of the fucking sport the klitsko brothers drive me fucking crazy man jab jab jab hold jab hold jab hold right hand you fucking hole fight man he'll put you to sleep so Me and Elliot, right?

[895] Me and Elliot and I think Craig Borsari are in Beverly Hills, right?

[896] I talk so much shit about the Klitschko brothers all the fucking time, man. All I do is fucking hammer these guys.

[897] They're boring.

[898] They suck or this or that.

[899] They're fucking, you know, they're one of the big problems with boxing and fucking heavyweights, nobody cares.

[900] As much shit as I can talk.

[901] So there's this little restaurant in Beverly Hills called El Pistale.

[902] right and it's literally fucking tiny but it's badass great food everything else so we go there for lunch one day walk into the fucking restaurant both the klitsko brothers are sitting right there and they're fucking out walking and they both look at me i'm like oh fuck both the klitsko brothers are in here right so i said uh the lady says would you like to eat inside or out i said i'll eat outside thank you so she takes outside we tell if i can tell elli and i go fucking both the klitsko brothers are in there and they're both fucking staring at me i said i'm probably gonna get my fucking ass whoop today i said but don't worry it'll be boring they'll jab and fucking hold me for about 20 minutes over on the fucking corner here and uh so then they both get up and they walk outside and they walk by our table and they were looking at me but they didn't say a word they didn't say anything to me you know do you think they knew i don't know i don't know if they did or didn't but you know what somebody talks enough shit about you you end up fucking hearing it eventually also they were they were kickboxers yeah i knew that so they were martial artist so they probably watched the ufc anyway I mean, it only makes sense that they do.

[903] You've seen Vitaly, there's a video of him getting knocked out.

[904] He got a wheel kicked.

[905] Some guy knocked him out in some sort of a karate tournament.

[906] You know, it was, that's me, son of a bitch.

[907] A little young Joe Reagan.

[908] That's a little young me in a Taco Window tournament.

[909] I knocked that dude down with a spinning back.

[910] I missed it.

[911] Play it again?

[912] That's from 1987, the U .S. Cup.

[913] This guy just sent it to me online.

[914] He just found it.

[915] he had like a VHS tape of it from back in the day Brian you are the worst fucking video Your internet sucks You don't have this already loaded It was lighted but it can't work Good Joe, no head gear, no nothing I had a head gear on The head gear is like this little shiny black plastic pad Where did you kick him in the chest or the head?

[916] Spinning back kick Yeah that was my technique That's what I worked with George St. Pierre on Yeah, I remember That was my specialty.

[917] All right, Brian, stop.

[918] That was my favorite technique.

[919] So when George was looking for someone to help him, I was like, this is going to sound ridiculous.

[920] But I could probably teach you that better than anybody could.

[921] And he actually listened to me, which just shows you what a great guy is.

[922] He's probably like, yeah, I'm going to go.

[923] Joe Rogan wants to fucking spend time with me or something and bullshit me. So I was very impressed that he actually came down and trained with me. this guy's never going to believe me. Because I was talking to John Donahar, and John Donaheher was like, George needs help with his spinning back kick.

[924] He's got the mechanics wrong.

[925] And I was like, this is going to sound ridiculous, but I know the guy.

[926] Like me, I can help him.

[927] But most people wouldn't listen, you know.

[928] George actually listened.

[929] He's a great guy.

[930] I couldn't say enough good things about George St. Pierre.

[931] He's such a good person, man. He's the best example of what's possible today in mixed martial arts, and he's a true martial artist.

[932] Like, I think that's what's interesting about what's going on with M. now is that it's kind of coming full circle like it was traditional martial arts in the beginning was all about bowing and respect and all that and then this became like brawlers and sluggers and wrestlers with good haymaker punches and now it's gone full circle and the greatest guys in the world are bowing like george st pierre bows Anderson silver bows before i mean these are real fucking martial artists they're they're real samurai you know when they're when george is living his life he's living his life as a true martial artist and he's elevating the sport to the highest level right now i mean you look at that fucking 170 pound division that's a murderers row this hendricks and condit and fucking ds you got a bunch of assassins in that division just scrambling to get at him and every time you see him he's better every time he see him he puts another notch in his game he takes time off gets a knee surgery comes back bigger and stronger he's doing fucking gymnastics and just just physically he's a true professional man he gets better every time be saying i was just saying today man i was fucking you know the dyes brothers you know i respect the dyes brothers i like these guys they're they're they're fun kids i like the you know 50 thousand dollars between the two of them now and not showing up the film shit you know you've spent 50 thousand dollars that fucking crews running around stockton you know it costs money to send these fucking guys up there that you know you're paying these guys uh these crews to do the shit by the day you know that the show that we're trying to film now is is fox you know and then you got caesar gracie has the balls to get on fucking twitter and say hey upgrade nick's ticket the rate nick's going he's going to be going to montreal and fucking greyhound he's asking you to upgrade his ticket so they're missing events yeah it's just crazy man it's it's fucking crazy it's just like it's some some of the shit that goes on in this and this fucking sport drives me nuts you know i love the dyes brothers they're crazy i love the whole thing but you know it's it's like come on you guys come on well who is Oh, you know what else too?

[933] For putting together a schedule.

[934] A lot of, because, you know, like I read...

[935] Oh, and his lawyer, yeah, his lawyer comes out and says that wasn't true.

[936] He's a fucking liar.

[937] How dare you?

[938] Look at you, you're getting very upset.

[939] Liar.

[940] You get a fucking...

[941] Yeah, I know, I'm going to have a fucking...

[942] I'm going to fall down, start seizure, and I'm going to have to give you some weed to revive you.

[943] You know, some of the fans were asking me, and we just did that fight in Wembley, and they thought that the dummy was there.

[944] I was like, he wouldn't fucking be there.

[945] Why wouldn't he was fucking there?

[946] It was him.

[947] I would believe he'd be there.

[948] That guy, man. That's that Vedeem Finkelstein for people, you call him Vadami.

[949] People don't know what you're talking about.

[950] The average person.

[951] Vadim Finklstein is the manager of Fyodor Emilianenko, who was at one point in time, the pride champion.

[952] And you guys went through a long, lengthy debate or rather negotiation with them trying to bring Fado over, but it never happened.

[953] That's too bad.

[954] that's too bad that guy never came over he just he's another guy that was uh was great during his time but you can only run that shit for so long man you can only run that game for so long after a while your body just doesn't want to do it anymore you don't have the motivation anymore he turned to religion then and then you know verdume bigfoot henderson three losses in a row like that it's like but still it would have been so fun to have that guy come over to the ufc tried man i know you did tried hard but when when people hear about like like people like what doesn't he make a deal bring fado over when you hear about the deal though it's like they were doing some crazy shit like they were trying to get co -promotion and they wanted i mean that's how they got m1 global on the showtime right i mean it was all like muscling them in with fadour exactly exactly do they do fights anymore i don't know i mean didn't they have like a showtime deal after fado he did yeah he did have a showtime deal i don't think showtime's screwing around with Eminemay.

[955] I think just blew all the money on Floyd.

[956] Oh, that's right.

[957] They spent a lot of money on Floyd May with it, right?

[958] Yeah.

[959] That's a good move.

[960] Yeah.

[961] He's still got, he's going to, they're going to fight Guerrero?

[962] No, I agree.

[963] You know, I think that it was a strong move by Showtime.

[964] It's a great move, especially they don't know what the fuck they're doing with MMA.

[965] Why not just get out of the business?

[966] Thank you.

[967] It's fascinating to watch people try to get into it.

[968] Like, apparently that dude in India's hemorrhaging cash, the Super Fight League thing.

[969] Of course, man. It always looks so cool.

[970] Ken Pavia doing the post -fight interviews.

[971] Oh, does he really?

[972] Oh, my God.

[973] That guy is such a fucking tool.

[974] Well, you know, but I think Barone, maybe it was Invicta, or I think it was, or maybe it was Super Fight League.

[975] Barone did some commentary.

[976] He's fucking hilarious.

[977] Barone is funny.

[978] His commentary is fucking hilarious.

[979] I like Barone, man. I've always had a good relationship with Barone.

[980] One of the best commentary times I've ever did was in Miami with Barone.

[981] Let me tell you, when I say I've tried it all, I fucking tried it all.

[982] I really have.

[983] Well, that was a disaster because I had to do Goldie's job, but I don't know how to do that job.

[984] Yeah, you were panicking.

[985] I remember that.

[986] You were freaked out.

[987] They were like, you know why?

[988] Because they were talking to me, like, I knew what the fuck they were saying.

[989] Like, they don't understand, like, how loose doing commentary is.

[990] Right.

[991] Nothing can happen that I can't talk about something that's not happening.

[992] Right.

[993] Okay.

[994] And it has to happen for me to talk about it.

[995] So it's pretty fucking easy for me. All I have to do is be aware, know what's going on, know who the fighters are with the strength of the weak.

[996] He says, ready, go.

[997] What Goldie has to do.

[998] All right, we're going to do.

[999] He's more of a traffic cop.

[1000] I'm going to open the five with a two with a wide shot and come to a two shot.

[1001] I go, what the fuck are you saying?

[1002] I go, is this written down somewhere?

[1003] You want me to read this?

[1004] And then they're like, oh, Jesus.

[1005] Like, they thought, like, maybe I'd done it before.

[1006] I was like, no, I've never done any of this before.

[1007] I don't know what you're talking about.

[1008] I know how to describe shit that happens.

[1009] You were freaking the fuck out that night.

[1010] I remember that.

[1011] But it worked with Barone.

[1012] It worked with Barone.

[1013] That was, yeah, you really have tried everything.

[1014] I have, man. It's fun to be a part of this, man. To be a part of it from the beginning like that, too, like the old days.

[1015] the very very beginning to see what it's like now it's a strange shit i did an interview today where i was talking about like the difference between dothan alabama and the roger center that was probably when i when i really was like whoa you know look around in the giant 80 -foot screen of leotumachita jumping front kicking randy in the face yeah i remember just seeing that over and over again this boom that that kick when randy would go down and i'm like this is the nuttiest shit i've ever seen in my life this 60 000 fucking people it's so cool to be able to be able to to go to all these different arenas around the world and meet all these different fans from all these different countries.

[1016] Like, when I was in Ireland, the fucking people are so cool.

[1017] England, the people are so cool.

[1018] You go to Sweden's going to be fucking awesome again.

[1019] You know, we're going back to Japan next week.

[1020] It's just like, there's just so many fucking cool people.

[1021] The last time we went to Japan, the fans were just insane.

[1022] It was just so cool to be a part of something.

[1023] Yeah, Brian came in Japan.

[1024] That was fun.

[1025] Are you going to Japan next week?

[1026] No, no. I don't do...

[1027] It's a fuel fight.

[1028] Yeah, I don't do the fuel ones or the FX ones anymore.

[1029] I miss Japan.

[1030] I think about it all the time.

[1031] It was fun.

[1032] Yeah, we had a good time there.

[1033] Awesome.

[1034] It was a fascinating little country.

[1035] And it's cool to the point where now we're so many fans from, let's say, you know, obviously we went to do fights in America.

[1036] People come from all of the world.

[1037] But now people from America and all over the world are going to pump fights.

[1038] And, you know, when we were in, just in England, there were so many, so many Brazilians there.

[1039] Oh, yeah.

[1040] It was really cool.

[1041] You know, and it's like, how about how about how about it?

[1042] Not this, bro.

[1043] I don't know if you know, we fucking broke the gate record at Wembley.

[1044] Really?

[1045] Yeah.

[1046] Henry Cooper fought Floyd Patterson there.

[1047] Henry Cooper fought somebody else there.

[1048] I can't remember who.

[1049] Did he fight Ali there?

[1050] No. And then, what's his name, fought there?

[1051] Lennox Lewis fought Oliver Recall there.

[1052] Wow.

[1053] And Lennox Lewis fought the Britain, European champ there.

[1054] And we beat every, we beat every sports -related event that's ever been to Wembley.

[1055] Wow.

[1056] Not cool?

[1057] Well, MMA is huge in the UK now.

[1058] There's so many gyms coming out of the UK, and there's so many guys that are coming out of the UK now.

[1059] You're seeing like Jimmy Manoa guy?

[1060] That guy's a fucking beast, man. That was a very impressive fight.

[1061] Him and Cyril Diabate, because Diabate is a really seasoned striker.

[1062] Multiple time world moitai champion, you know, and you see.

[1063] I was excited for that fight.

[1064] It sucked his leg got fucked up.

[1065] Yeah, I was really excited for that.

[1066] It sucked his leg got fucked up, but I was really impressed with what manner what was doing before it got fucked up.

[1067] I was like, wow, this kid is a beast.

[1068] right yeah he's a he's a very aggressive guy yeah it's gonna be fun just got you know when you got a guy that's got that kind of you know yeah how's his ground game going to be right up against a real good wrestler and ground guy well yeah I mean that is uh that is always the question there's those guys you know like that's the big question about john fitch like a lot of people say oh john fitch is boring john fitch is boring i'm like john finch is a reality and you got to be able to deal with a guy like that i think a guy like that's a guy like that is important.

[1069] It's an important aspect of fighting that a guy...

[1070] That's what made the Eric Silva fight so exciting.

[1071] Yeah.

[1072] Fuck yeah.

[1073] Yeah, yeah.

[1074] I mean, John ground that kid down to a halt and Eric Silva's a scary.

[1075] Fuck.

[1076] That kid's scary.

[1077] He's very, very dangerous.

[1078] Super explosive.

[1079] Real dangerous with his knees and it's striking.

[1080] He finishes fights very quickly.

[1081] That Carlo Prater fight, I mean he's a dangerous kid.

[1082] The fight with the Spaniard Charlie Brennaman, he's a dangerous dangerous kid and man Fitch was able to glue on him.

[1083] What was crazy he was watching Damien Maya out Fitch Fitch Fitch.

[1084] Right.

[1085] Like how good is that guy?

[1086] Yep.

[1087] When you see that guy got a hold of Fitch and just completely controlled him when it came to grappling I was like...

[1088] But the big kink in his arm was a stand -up if he goes out against the guy like, you know, who can stop the takedown and...

[1089] Man, at 170 Damian Maya is a beast.

[1090] He's a...

[1091] I mean, he is always going to have a problem with...

[1092] You know he's going to have a problem with Mark Hart.

[1093] That's been an interesting rematch.

[1094] At 170.

[1095] That's a very interesting rematch, as a matter of fact, at 170.

[1096] And a good fight for Marquard.

[1097] Who do you got for Marquart now, though?

[1098] Don't you have Ellenberger?

[1099] He's fighting Ellenberger.

[1100] And Condit versus Hendricks.

[1101] Hendricks?

[1102] John Hendricks?

[1103] Oh, my God.

[1104] I love that.

[1105] It's a great card.

[1106] It sucks at Rory got hurt.

[1107] And Diaz versus George.

[1108] Yeah, and J .S. versus George, of course.

[1109] But it sucks at Rory got hurt.

[1110] That does suck.

[1111] Yeah.

[1112] That kid's scary.

[1113] That fight with B .J. Penn was like, man, he, he, he, he, he, He's one of those kids where you don't see him for like five or six months.

[1114] And then all of a sudden you're like, holy shit, this kid just got 50 % better.

[1115] Like the combinations he was throwing against BJ, his standup looked 50 % better, completely smooth, robotic almost in his precision.

[1116] He was throwing that question mark kick over and over again, throwing combinations to the body.

[1117] And then what is it?

[1118] The second round we really had BJ fucked up.

[1119] I was like, this is the biggest beating I think BJ has ever taken.

[1120] No doubt about it.

[1121] took a beating with Nick Diaz, but it was more of a prolonged, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing.

[1122] There's like a 45 -second burst in the second round where he just beats the shit out of BJ.

[1123] That's why I don't want BJ to fight anymore, man. The George St. Pierre beating, the Rory beating, the Nick Diaz beating.

[1124] I mean, just...

[1125] What are those three fights have in common?

[1126] A hundred and seventy fucking pounds.

[1127] Why is that guy fighting in 170 pounds?

[1128] You go back to the BJ Penn that fought against Diego Sanchez at 155, when the Morinoviches were training him and he was a fucking savage he was ripped he had a full six -pack I mean BJ was super conditioned in that fight because the problem with BJ Penn is he's a fucking warrior he's a maniac you don't give a fuck this kid went to I mean this kid fought leotum machita for crazy six at heavyweight at heavyweight not even at 205 you know BJ is uh is this just incredibly talented freak who you know it had he worked hard you know really got into it and done you know what he could have done who knows sky's the limit for him but you know he cruised on natural ability heart and fucking huge balls and you know i just the thing is i i i've had my my beefs the bj and the family but i really love and respect the kid very much and uh i don't i just i don't want to see him fight anymore man he was an amazing fighter but again i don't think i think fighting is such an insane proposition that it can only be done at the highest level for a few years you can only do it somebody had a thing that they wrote online about great fighters at the nine year point of their career and that all these great fighters that were competing at a high level for like nine years at about nine years to start to see a waning and an erosion of the skills that it's almost like it's you you almost like you got to know when to walk away well age is what kills all great athletes you know what's going to beat anderson silver yeah age yeah he's going to beat him that's what's going to beat him um it's Especially right now.

[1129] He's just in this fucking perfect prime.

[1130] BGA Penn has nothing to prove anymore.

[1131] The guy's got a bunch of money.

[1132] He's got a beautiful wife.

[1133] He's got kids.

[1134] Just fuck it, man. You had your time and you, uh, I just, you know, again, when people talk about, Joe, I don't give a fuck about money, man. I really don't give a fuck about money.

[1135] I run a business and you got to run a business to, you know, to keep the thing alive and to keep it going and whatever.

[1136] But I don't ever.

[1137] want to make that kind of money man i seeing bj pen fight again well you don't need to make that kind of money and let's be honest you give a fuck about money you're fucking rich what are you talking about come on do you crazy want to go back to being poor again let me talk to you ohs bro let me tell you what let me tell you what you're talking nonsense you've seen a cell phone joke i honestly yeah exactly actually i've also seen his Ferrari is it the same hey listen when you when you got money yeah there's no doubt you know things are easier easier i'm telling you and you can i know what you're saying no no no what you're saying is just as fucking happy when i was broke i love what i do i love the sport and i just i i i'm telling you i really don't give a fuck well what you don't want is that kind of money from having a guy like bj fight or having chuck fight again or having well you can make money on those guys and by the way i'm sure chuck probably came to you and said he wants a fight again i'm sure yes no after we after we established that it was over and he admitted to it and agreed after the Rich Franklin fight he never did it again yeah he never asked me again well that's great well that's smart that's intelligent you know you know you watch the shot that put him away in the Rich Franklin fight you go Chuck would have eaten 50 of those and smiled right at you in 1999 or 2000 and he had some vicious knockouts at the end of his career the Rashad Evans knockout was vicious the rampage knockout was vicious you know just yeah to keep doing that is just fucking shogun rich franklin yeah and and keith jargine dropped him hard too chief jardine heard him he hit him with a big punch you know and that was uh yeah there's there's been a lot of like really crazy fights and he go back to the fucking pelee he fought pelee bare knuckles in brazil you know whether there's a net on the bottom of the ring to keep guys from scooting out and chuck stuffed pele into the net and was reaching over the back of the net and punching him in the head There was virtually no rules back to him.

[1138] He fought all those.

[1139] That was crazy.

[1140] They didn't have gloves on either.

[1141] Yeah, they didn't have gloves.

[1142] That was bare knuckle.

[1143] Nothing, bare knuckle, yeah.

[1144] Chuck's, I don't know if Chuck's first fight in the UFC, I think they had gloves, but it was like when they were just starting to use gloves.

[1145] When he fought a boxer kid, forget the kid's name.

[1146] Ramirez?

[1147] I don't remember his name.

[1148] Martinez, Henry Martinez?

[1149] Noe Hernandez.

[1150] Noi Hernandez.

[1151] Thank you very much.

[1152] Yeah, Noi Hernandez, that was when, I would like to get Peretti on the podcast.

[1153] Paredi sent me a tweet saying, how come you never want me on your show?

[1154] We had such respect for you when we hired you for the company, but you never had me on your show.

[1155] I'm like, what are you talking about?

[1156] I'll have you on any day of the week.

[1157] I go, tell me when you want to come on.

[1158] And then I never heard from him again.

[1159] I don't know why.

[1160] I don't know what happened, but I didn't have that guy in a heartbeat.

[1161] He's a fascinating character.

[1162] Yeah.

[1163] But he told Chuck that Chuck had to, he goes, he found out that Chuck was a run.

[1164] wrestler and i had chuck talk about it on the podcast and he told you know already told me when i managed chuck what the mohawks played out nobody wants to see a mohawk we're not bringing them back i said you're not bringing him back because it was fucking mohawk that's the craziest thing i've ever heard so we we we ended up i ended up getting him a fight uh he fought uh the fuck was that guy's name he knocked him out he was the i fc champion at the time and uh steve something remember him Steve IFC champion He was an IFC champion Steve something Chuck knocked him out and that got him back into the UFC Oh really?

[1165] He had to have a fight outside of it That's hilarious Yeah The UFC signed Chuck for two and two And two to win Two to show two to win What's the status of MMA in New York right now Well you know We filed this lawsuit And we had a really good response basically the the district attorney whatever could not tell the judge what the language was and why it was illegal and all this other shit so basically the judge said you know we agree this is right they could come in here and just be sanctioned by a federation like the PCA or the you know what I mean some federation and put on an event you guys better figure this thing out So it was a really, really big win for us.

[1166] That's great.

[1167] Steve Heath.

[1168] Steve Heath.

[1169] What did I say?

[1170] I don't remember.

[1171] Say Steve something?

[1172] Yeah, maybe he caoed him with a head kiss.

[1173] Yep, Steve Heath.

[1174] Knocked him out, and that's what got Chuck back into the UFC that fight.

[1175] Yeah, his, uh...

[1176] Mohawk and all.

[1177] His fight with Noe Hernandez was May 15th, 1998.

[1178] I was there.

[1179] That was in Mobile, Alabama.

[1180] That was, uh, that was interesting times, man. That was...

[1181] It's been fun.

[1182] It's been a fun ride.

[1183] Yeah, so were you managing him to Noah Hernandez?

[1184] his days um was i know what how much before that steve heath fight was it looks like about a year yeah so steve heat is when right right before a little bit more than a year yeah is that the fight oh that's actually almost two years was there in between there yes there's a couple fights in between what are the what are the other two fights in between he's he actually fought playlay yeah um after that he fought noi hernandez was his first fight apparently um and that was in the UFC and then he went and he fought Pele over in the IVC in Brazil which is the fucking complete valetudo no rules then he fought Jeremy Horn and he got arm triangled right after Jeremy Horn I started managing him yeah and that's when he left what year was that that was in 99 March 5th 99 uh Jeremy Horn triagled him Joe Silva just text me and said King Moe just got knocked the fuck out spinning back fist whoa by who I don't know Who did King Mo fight?

[1185] Damn, King Moe got released.

[1186] Did he do something crazy?

[1187] Like what happened?

[1188] Well, what happened to him?

[1189] It was the strike fights?

[1190] Yeah, what happened was he had, he tested positive for something.

[1191] Oh, yeah.

[1192] He had some kind of, did steroids or something.

[1193] And then he was on suspension.

[1194] So while he was on suspension, he got the offer and I let him go.

[1195] Wow.

[1196] Yeah, that's He just Yeah, he just got knocked out God damn Has the UFC ever I thought of like A different design for the octagon Or played with different ideas Like more of like a Like a bowl type thing Or a backwards bowl Or was there any other revisions to the octagon?

[1197] Yeah, that's a good question Actually when we first When we first started doing it People were all freaked out about the fence Even when we bought it It freaked out by the fence It said it's terrible for television.

[1198] It's this, it's that.

[1199] Could you guys put Plexiglass there?

[1200] Could you?

[1201] They started going about some clear fencing, so it's not black.

[1202] It's clear, and you can see through it.

[1203] Is that possible?

[1204] All kinds of stuff.

[1205] Clear friends.

[1206] We did all kinds of stuff.

[1207] You still couldn't see through the clear stuff if it was there.

[1208] Did you ever see the thing called shoot box?

[1209] Did you ever see that?

[1210] Yeah.

[1211] Where Frank Shamrock did some crazy thing where they fought in like a plate.

[1212] It was like a plate, like a giant, like a bowl.

[1213] scooped up yeah and not quite like a bowl because it wasn't that like that extreme but yeah it was yeah it was i i think yeah i think i remember that that was and then um bob myrovitz tried to bring the pit right you did pit yeah was it called yama yama pit fighting is that what it was called yeah yeah yeah he came up with some new name for it yeah and it was like it was a cage though still but it was a cage with like a slope to it for some reason right Wasn't it?

[1214] No, I think it was like a pit that was in the ground.

[1215] I think it was actually in the ground.

[1216] So there was no cage at all?

[1217] I don't think so.

[1218] Fuck, I can't remember, man. There's been so much shit in the last 10 years.

[1219] Chuck Norris.

[1220] He had those kickboxing matches that were in like a bowl.

[1221] That actually got on TV.

[1222] Yeah, yeah.

[1223] What was it called?

[1224] World Combat League?

[1225] Yeah, World Combat League.

[1226] I actually watched some of those fights in Vegas.

[1227] I went and I met Chuck Norris.

[1228] Chuck Norris gave me a hug.

[1229] He knew who I was.

[1230] It was the greatest moment of my life.

[1231] Now, that's cool, man. I like Chuck Norris, too.

[1232] Fuck, yeah, man. Chuck Norris is a legend.

[1233] He's a stud.

[1234] I love it.

[1235] I only have a few things in the DVR here, but one of them is Walker, Texas Ranger.

[1236] I got Best of Pride.

[1237] I love Walker.

[1238] UFC fights.

[1239] I got a bunch of UFC fights, and I've got Walker, Texas Ranger.

[1240] I love Walker, Texas Ranger.

[1241] You remember the, wait, what was the other one?

[1242] The other one was Lone Wolf McQuaid, which was the movie that he based the TV show off of.

[1243] That was quite a bit better movie than the television show.

[1244] It was really good.

[1245] The movie was really good.

[1246] You remember the movie, it's hard to find these days.

[1247] the octagon yes where he goes and fights the ninjas that's right yeah i love that fucking movie that was one of my favorite movies growing up yeah that's right that was the original i mean the octagon that's way pre -uFC where the term octagon it's almost impossible that term octagon is so synonymous now with the ufc yeah he never even thought that it had another martial arts application way way way way way back in the dead like when you think about an octagon an eight -sided circle like that that is the ufc now that's you think about the octagon Like, that's the only time I ever hear of an octagon.

[1248] I don't ever, there's no other octagons.

[1249] I don't see them.

[1250] You know, obviously I'm not a geometrician.

[1251] What is it?

[1252] Geometry guy.

[1253] What is it?

[1254] That's not the same thing.

[1255] Yeah, I mean, octagon's now UFC.

[1256] That's what it is.

[1257] Yeah.

[1258] And you guys own that, right?

[1259] Yeah, we own.

[1260] Do you lease that out to people?

[1261] Yep.

[1262] So there's companies that actually build them and stuff.

[1263] They pay us a trademark fee.

[1264] Now, when you guys bought pride, did you think about keeping the ring?

[1265] Or when you were thinking about actually trying to, to do shows over in japan as pride yeah we were going to keep the ring and do the whole deal yeah we were going to try to do it that is the craziest story of all time you guys paid 65 million dollars for eventually a video library dude that's the japanese guys are so crafty every deal i ever did everything that ever happened over there was fucking crazy man they have a different way to live crazy yeah it's a different world over there yeah when i met you you were this fucking regular dude with like a job that you were like oh i don't know what i'm doing now to go from that to driving Ferraris and private jets, and you've managed to be the same guy.

[1266] How have you not, like, lost your shit?

[1267] How have you not, like, I mean, obviously you yell at people on Twitter and say a few questionable things, but that's...

[1268] You know, I see, I, you know, I see so many of this, so much of this stuff going on.

[1269] Hey, Elliot, get off the phone or shut the door, stupid.

[1270] You can't even hear it.

[1271] Dude, my monkeys, I bring these.

[1272] fucking guys everywhere they fuck something up you have no idea doesn't he realize we're doing a fucking podcast yeah it works for you too yeah you don't care son of a bitch he makes your video blogs you just yeah it's a hard worker yeah oh yeah oh yeah no doubt you still need to shut the fuck up yeah podcast going on have you have you ever like step back and go how the fuck did this happen i mean there's not a whole lot of people that have that kind of a rags to rich a story i mean that's a pretty fucking crazy story yeah you go from 2001 to being the president of this unlikely president of this company you go you were a you were like a a manager of fighters you know you had some foothold in the fight game you'd you'd you'd done boxer size classes at one point in time the only real job i've ever fucking had was uh you know i was a bellman when i was 19 years old at a hotel in boston and you know i did some construction work all the shit you do when you're you know 17 18 19 and uh that was it one day i walked out of that hotel when i was 19 years old and said we'll be in the fucking fight business that's it I'm done.

[1273] I'm done with this shit.

[1274] I hate coming here every day.

[1275] You know, every other fucking week, there was some kid that just graduated college and come in and start telling you what the fuck can do.

[1276] I was like, I'm so done with this shit.

[1277] The fight business.

[1278] But thinking about getting to the fight business at 19.

[1279] Holy shit.

[1280] Like, where the fuck to even?

[1281] Do you know how many fucking decisions I've made in my life that people are like, that's the fucking dumbest thing I've ever heard?

[1282] Like literally almost every decision I've ever made.

[1283] Did you have amateur fights?

[1284] Yeah.

[1285] I fought in the amateurs.

[1286] And, dude, there was a time when I thought, you know, and I think that's why I can, you know, deal with the fighters and I understand, you know, like dealing with the ultimate fighter.

[1287] There was a fucking time and a day when there was the only fucking thing I cared about was boxing.

[1288] That's why I literally walked out of that place because I loved it so much that that's all I fucking wanted to do.

[1289] The problem is you go out there and you start fucking, you know, that's what I wanted to do for a living.

[1290] and then the reality starts to set in and I'll never forget I mean I've told the story before but I was in the gym one day and there was this dude who was a local fighter I don't say his name you would probably fucking know him if I said his name I guarantee you you know him because he was famous in the Boston area you know like a local guy and he came in one day and he was like he's in his early 30s he was like 31 or 32 and he was fucked up you know he was punchy he fucking moping around kind of throwing fucked and i remember the day that i looked at him i said fuck what if that happens to me and then the minute you fucking start thinking like that you're you're you're not the real deal you're not no matter how much you think you want it or you think you do it was the day i realized that i wasn't and it was fucking like wow So then you start going, how the fuck am I going to make a living doing this?

[1291] And me and this dude, Peter Welsh, from Boston, started, you know, teaching people how to box, basically, you know, I'm businessman and stuff because the business model wasn't, if, for instance, like martial arts, if you want to take a martial arts class, it's fucking 50 martial arts studios anywhere in any city, anywhere in the world.

[1292] And there has been since I was a kid, right?

[1293] Any lack of martial arts schools around your place when you were growing up?

[1294] No. But if you want a box.

[1295] But if you want a box, you got to go and fight.

[1296] You got to go get your fucking head punched in.

[1297] Yeah.

[1298] You know what I mean?

[1299] Especially, you know, the places in Boston.

[1300] Oh, yeah.

[1301] You had the Somerville boxing club.

[1302] You had the fucking place down at the McDonough down in South Boston.

[1303] Yeah, yeah.

[1304] And some place, the Petronelli's down in Brockton.

[1305] Yeah.

[1306] And places like that.

[1307] And you went in and they would fucking, you'd get your dick knock loose.

[1308] Right?

[1309] And if you came back, maybe they'd fucking work with you.

[1310] Well, even guys that liked you would do that.

[1311] Like, I got trained by Joe Lake, and that's what he did with me. He just stuck me in with guys who knew how to box.

[1312] What they all do.

[1313] That's what they all do.

[1314] Yeah.

[1315] That's, they do it quickly, too.

[1316] Like, right from the beginning.

[1317] Find out how much you enjoyed doing this.

[1318] Do you really want to do this?

[1319] Do you really want to do this?

[1320] Do you really want to do my time here?

[1321] That's exactly right.

[1322] I'm going to teach you how to throw some punches.

[1323] And then we're going to put your head gear on.

[1324] Let me put your fucking Vaseline in your face.

[1325] In there, kid.

[1326] Show me what you got.

[1327] The first time I ever went in the box, they had me do fucking ring circles.

[1328] You know what those are, right?

[1329] Where you go laterally around the ring.

[1330] Fucking coming in every day, they have ring circles, ring circles, ring circles, ring circles, ring circles.

[1331] And I was like, what the fuck?

[1332] I paid my dues.

[1333] I paid my fucking eight bucks, you know what I mean?

[1334] I fucking got mad one day.

[1335] I said, I came here to learn how a fucking box, man. I've been running around in circles for fucking weeks.

[1336] And he's like, oh, you want to learn a box, right?

[1337] Yeah, fucking gear you up, man. Glove you up.

[1338] They throw you in there.

[1339] And they beat the fuck out of you Yeah Fucking drop me 50 times with body shots Punching my fucking head in The worst is the body shots When you first started You start taking some body shots From a guy who knows how to throw them And you know Your fucking lips are bleeding Your nose is bleeding You're fucked up You get out You're completely Morally destroyed You know what I mean Because boxing is never Or sparring is never What guys thinks it's gonna be You know You watch too many fucking movies.

[1340] You go in there and you think you're going to spar and you get shit kicked out of you.

[1341] But then, you know, I went home that night and I remember laying in bed thinking the whole night, fuck, I got my ass whoop that suck, this, that.

[1342] And I went back to the gym the next day and that was it.

[1343] Then I started working with you.

[1344] Very few people actually want to fight.

[1345] They just want to kick someone's ass.

[1346] It's true.

[1347] They don't understand that that kind of kick your ass too.

[1348] Like, this is not going to be an even exchange.

[1349] And if you're not willing to go to war, if you're not willing to take like big shots, and be in pain and push through, you're never going to do this.

[1350] You have to figure out somewhere along the line whether or not you're willing to take punishment, whether or not you can take punishment.

[1351] Some guys can't.

[1352] So that was what our business was based on.

[1353] Teach a people.

[1354] Peter I, yeah, you could come into the real gym where real fighters trained and you learned how to box.

[1355] So like white collar box.

[1356] Yeah.

[1357] So it was like you learn how to box, but you didn't get your ass kicked every day.

[1358] But some guys, you know, start training for so long and get to the level.

[1359] where they want to start sparring.

[1360] But you rarely ever have white -collar guys that start sparring and want to do it a fucking getting.

[1361] Because, you know, like you said, you get that first ass whoop and, and a lot of times what happens is it breaks out into fights, you know?

[1362] And we had, we used to bring the inner city kids in, too.

[1363] You know, we had this idea where we were going to bring in inner city kids.

[1364] And, you know, in Southie back then, it was still very segregated.

[1365] So we were going to bring in blacks and Hispanics and all.

[1366] all these other kids and bring them together and you know we're gonna do all the fuck we used to bring these kids in man and we start training them and stuff and then as soon as guys would start sparring you know how many fucking situations we had where guys would come back in with bats like there'd be a bad sparring deal come back with bats or they'd come back with their brothers or some kind of just every fucking day that was so that whole you know let's bring in the inner city kids and fucking try to work it didn't go over well yeah that's playing that experiment didn't work too well that's a lot of work.

[1367] It's interesting to see the attitude that used to exist back then in the boxing gyms and now that people are we're seeing this evolution in mixed martial arts where the beginning we saw a lot of like gym wars.

[1368] That would be like a really normal occurrence in gyms where guys would just beat the fuck out of each other.

[1369] You hear about fighters getting knocked out in the gym left and right and left and right.

[1370] But now I think people are starting to realize like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[1371] There's no fucking benefit in this.

[1372] Like, what's going on here?

[1373] Like, we're looking at a gigantic multi, multi, multi, multi -million dollar business.

[1374] And this is how we're treating our commodities and our prospects.

[1375] We're throwing them at each other and letting them blast each other.

[1376] And dudes are getting punchy way before their time.

[1377] We both know gyms where guys, they get chinny way too quick.

[1378] And you go, well, how's this guy, like, this guy had an iron chin just three years ago.

[1379] Well, he's taking fucking gym wars.

[1380] He's going through gym wars on a regular basis.

[1381] Yep.

[1382] that was shoot the box that was the deal at shoot the box and shogun himself said like we realized you know after doing that for a while we can't do that anymore we i that's how it was in boxing too though when i when i was involved in boxing some of the best fights i ever saw were in the gym oh yeah you know oh hell yeah one day one day i saw uh livingstone bramble and roger mayweather oh fucking go at it at a fucking gym in Vegas yeah another time at one of the gyms because we all worked together i worked with mayweather i worked with nick one kick um floyd when floyd was first coming i mean we we all worked together in these gyms you know and uh one time there was this dude he was a heavyweight his name was Tracy and him and roger mayweather fucking got into it he was Tracy was a young heavyweight 24 year old kid heavyweight and roger was fucking 147 yeah in his 40s jeez and roger said like what you say motherfucker just the fucking gate into it back and forth I go oh shit here we go and they got in the fucking ring and started fighting man yeah they started fucking fighting and at the end of the round when the bell went off Tracy tried to stop and Roger fucking lit him up and he goes no rounds motherfucker no rounds so they just kept fighting straight fucking through until fucking Tracy quit oh my God Roger fucking whipped his ass and he fucking quit in his 40s yeah and then and then when he quit roger hit him another eight nine times after he fucking quit and he was basically like don't have a fucking mouth off to me in this gym a 147 pound 40 year old yeah but that's the black mamba yep you know a lot of people don't know roger you know a lot of people everybody knows floyd but roger his uncle in his time he was a bad motherfucker he had a pissed in right hand yeah he had a nasty jab and he would fucking slam that right hand in he was a bad dude for many a year i've seen some crazy shit happened in fucking boxing gyms man crazy shit over the years that's incredible that's what did you ever hear about the floyd bay weather thing where like when he was dealing with those rap guys they came in and beat people up and pistol whip people and shit yeah what was that all about again at one point you fuck yeah i remember i i wasn't there so i can't you know this isn't like right fucking eyewitness testimony but i i heard about it too and what I heard was the dude that was managing him at the time was like a hardcore like real dude and he didn't just walk into a gym I heard he walked into top rank their gym pistol whipping people and fucking pulling out guns with Floyd and shit and kind of sets just whatever their beef was got it straightened out yeah boxing that's boxing man crazy fucking business yeah's boxing here's the knockout right here boxing is a crazy this is King Mao oh shit he got spinning back fist do you wish you had a 10 minute first round oh look at that perfect spinning back fist well you know what he's been playing with uh he's been doing a lot of boxing you know he's been uh training at floyd place yeah he's been uh working with uh the mayweather's that's that's great but you got to look out for that spinning back fist too man you got to look out for these crazy fucking techniques look at him he's sleeping yeah wow well that's a devastating technique.

[1383] There's so much torque into that.

[1384] That dude was ready to rear naked choke him he was already out.

[1385] He's a badass wrestler too King Moe.

[1386] I thought that he was going to have a very bright career in M .M .A. I remember Brian, well, he still can.

[1387] Brian Parsons, was Ryan Parsons, was very high on that guy.

[1388] He's like an unbelievable athlete.

[1389] He said he'd never seen anybody just throw around like real experienced wrestlers the way King Mo could.

[1390] Yeah, when that whole thing went down with him, we sat down and talked one day.

[1391] We'd never met.

[1392] And smart guy too he's an intelligent guy i like him a lot when you have a conversation with him he's actually a really smart guy you can't ever have your hands down can't ever have your hands down like that you mean being cocky and being having a swagger and everything is great but man when a guy clips you on the chin and you don't see it coming the fucking the light shut off it's not a lot you can do about the human body's design yep i agree it's amazing how some guys could just take ridiculous shots though some guys just take it's true i that's thing if you're if you're it's one of those things that you can't train you can't fucking do you either have a chin or you don't how about fabio maldonato and glover to share yeah that crazy fucking fight that was i had never seen anybody fucking damn henderson's chin oh yeah ridiculous you know as long as that guy's been around as long as again when you talk about a guy who's been a fucking war dog you know and just 40 yeah 40 years old And to still have it all, still have the punch of power, still have the ability to fight these guys at his age.

[1393] Well, he's also on testosterone replacement therapy.

[1394] Right.

[1395] Yeah.

[1396] But you know, listen.

[1397] There's something in that.

[1398] Yeah.

[1399] There's something in that as far as longevity and staying around.

[1400] But you're either fucking good or you're not.

[1401] Well, he was awesome before he had it.

[1402] There's a lot of guys that are on testosterone replacement therapy that couldn't fight a fucking lick.

[1403] That's true.

[1404] But it is a funky subject now, isn't it?

[1405] I'm not a fan.

[1406] I'm not a fan, though, because it allows a guy like Dan Henderson to fight.

[1407] But if, I mean, if you got a guy like Dan Henderson who's taking it responsibly and not going over his limits and doing the exact amount of stuff.

[1408] If that's what was going on, yeah.

[1409] Right.

[1410] But I truly believe that that's not what's going on.

[1411] Mm -hmm.

[1412] I agree.

[1413] Well, you know, here's the problem.

[1414] This is what I've said before about testosterone replacement therapy.

[1415] You know, say you give a guy a bottle of whiskey and you give it to him and you say, hey, man, don't ever take more than one glass a day, okay?

[1416] Here's the whole jug.

[1417] What if the guy's an alcoholic?

[1418] What if he's an alcoholic?

[1419] What if he's a crazy guy?

[1420] Well, a lot of people were indulgent.

[1421] The thing, when you take shit like that, you feel like a fucking superhero, man. You're like, wait a minute.

[1422] Well, not only that.

[1423] You just pump it up just a little bit more.

[1424] And let's pump it up a little bit more.

[1425] And you take in self -indulgent, ridiculous athletes who are fighters in the first place, they're crazy, reckless motherfuckers.

[1426] And you're saying, hey, listen, you just got a little jug of the shit laying around and a couple of needles.

[1427] And, hey, if there's only half the amount of needles that are supposed to be here, who cares?

[1428] I'm your doctor.

[1429] I agree.

[1430] Come on.

[1431] I love you.

[1432] I like watching your fight on TV.

[1433] I love how these guys are doctors.

[1434] Put my name on your shorts.

[1435] These testosterone.

[1436] guys are fucking doctors, right?

[1437] Let me write a prescription for you, son.

[1438] Yeah, I'm going to write one right now.

[1439] Well, it's hilarious that weed is illegal.

[1440] That, I mean, there's some people that think that weed, I've argued that weed is possibly a performance enhancement with people who smoke a lot of it.

[1441] Every dude that I've ever known that smokes weed turns into a fucking zombie after he smokes weed.

[1442] How could it be a performance enhancing drug?

[1443] Do you say that?

[1444] Dude, I love with me and you get into this shit because I love me. I love when you tell me these things because I don't know.

[1445] Well, there's two different types of weed, first of all.

[1446] There's Indica and Sativa.

[1447] Okay.

[1448] Indica is the far more common style of weed.

[1449] And what that is, it's known as like O .G. Cush is what people usually call.

[1450] That's like what Snoop Dog smokes.

[1451] That makes you go, yank, d 'iddle.

[1452] Like real, like, mellow couch weed.

[1453] Right.

[1454] Then there's, like, Carl Sagan weed.

[1455] Carl Sagan weed is Sativa.

[1456] And Sotiva is much more of, like, an upper type of weed.

[1457] It makes you want to watch documentaries.

[1458] Makes you want to write.

[1459] Makes you want to, like, go running.

[1460] It makes you want to do things.

[1461] A lot of people don't understand that.

[1462] I've never heard that.

[1463] Well, it's harder to grow.

[1464] They're South American strains, and they require a different growing cycle.

[1465] They're usually from where the equator.

[1466] And you can only grow them indoors in America.

[1467] So when you're getting these, they're low yield.

[1468] They don't yield as much.

[1469] They're harder to grow, and you don't get as much marijuana out of it.

[1470] So most of the stuff that you get is like that sleepy sort of narcotic weed.

[1471] But the stuff that I get is not like that at all.

[1472] Like, that's why people say, well, you do so much shit in your pot.

[1473] Sort of yeah Well first of all I take a lot of days off I'm smoking pot I don't believe in doing Anything every day But the stuff that I smoke Is not the kind of stuff That makes you tired It's the kind of stuff That makes you think about shit It's kind of stuff That we're going to give you From your Meneers disease Oh my God Straight you're right and fuck out My fucking head would explode I think about too much shit already You do I do We'll have you lying back Looking at these constellations Going What the fuck am I doing I'm in the fight business Do you wish Get out of here the tooth You'd be the creep Do you wish there was The first round 10 minutes Go sit down someone man sit down you fuck stop wandering around do you ever wish that that you had the 10 minute first round now you're reading shit off the forums no this is something we talked about like two weeks ago and I just wondered what Dana thought about it do I ever what I wish that that you had a 10 minute first round kind of like the the old pride date is that what they used to do no no it's great for gam for grapplers yeah I like I like the structure where it is you get three five minute rounds or five five minute rounds um do you like five five minute rounds for non -title fights though yeah do you feel like i do if it's a main event you know and i think that's the real problem that everybody had with with ronda rousey being the main event is they wanted to see henderson machita in five rounds what we were talking about we didn't really finish it but the real issue with the testosterone with replacement therapy is that these guys can take this shit and jack themselves up through the fucking roof right while they're all they're through through throughout training and suffer i mean it's really they're not going to get any real problems if they're just doing it for six to eight weeks they're going to be fine if they do it so it's not like it's a dangerous thing to them and the benefit is pretty substantial the benefit as far as performance you get to hyperhuman levels yeah and as long as your body sustains it you don't recover faster for like that's like that and that is uh that's undeniable that's undeniable and when you look at some guys and you see like the massive differences in their physiques and how how quickly you know like some of these guys you look at like i don't want to mention names let's go with vitor for his last fight against Bispin.

[1474] He looked fucking fantastic.

[1475] Right.

[1476] I mean, you want to have a poster board for testosterone replacement therapy.

[1477] I'd be like, whatever the fuck that guy's on, give it to me. Because he looks fantastic.

[1478] I mean, in the way -ins, he looked fucking shredded.

[1479] He looked perfect.

[1480] And the big question after that fight was everybody's like, is he going to pass the drug test?

[1481] Is he going to pass a drug test?

[1482] And he did.

[1483] Yeah, he did.

[1484] But according to people...

[1485] It's not even that he passed the drug test.

[1486] I mean, he was being monitored before the fight, too.

[1487] Was he being monitored, like, all throughout the camp?

[1488] Two weeks before.

[1489] Two weeks before.

[1490] See, but as long as they know when, I mean, I'm not accusing Vitor of anything, but I'm saying that if a fighter was, like, if he was willing to bend the rules, as long as he knew when he had to come in and piss, it's not hard to super elevate your levels.

[1491] That's one of the things I know you're not a fan of Victor Conte, but one of the things that he enlightened me on about drug testing is that the actual benefits of the steroids go far beyond the time we test positive.

[1492] Let me tell you what I don't like about Victor fucking Conti, this fucking piece of shit.

[1493] Jeez.

[1494] This fucking guy.

[1495] What I don't like about him is...

[1496] What the tooth is over there, like a fucking CIA spy snapping pictures.

[1497] Dude, this is my life, man. This is my life.

[1498] You have no idea.

[1499] So this fucking guy is the biggest cheater in the history of fucking sports.

[1500] Yet now, after he gets busted and fucking rolls over on his buddies and shit, wants to come out and act like he's trying to save fucking sports.

[1501] Dude, don't come out and start point...

[1502] Come on my fucking Twitter and start pointing your fucking finger at me and saying, oh, the U .S. The UFC isn't doing this in the U .S. Fuck you.

[1503] Well, the UFC does not have the obligation to do that.

[1504] It's under the obligation of the Valley State Athletic Commission to regulate.

[1505] And if they want to make more stringent rules, which they have.

[1506] I mean, that's how they caught Overeem.

[1507] They decided to do some random testing.

[1508] And that's how, I mean, there's obviously been some movement made to try to regulate certain, certain aspects of MMA.

[1509] And our fighters, when our fighters get caught, the consequences are huge.

[1510] Are huge.

[1511] A year of no work.

[1512] Exactly.

[1513] That's what I just don't think the media and some of the fans really wrap their fucking brains around.

[1514] It's devastating.

[1515] It's devastating for your confidence.

[1516] It's devastating for your career.

[1517] You've got to answer questions everywhere you go.

[1518] It's a huge, huge, huge loss.

[1519] And if it happens again, boy, then you're really fucked.

[1520] Exactly.

[1521] Then you're really fucked.

[1522] And the fines are substantial as well.

[1523] Exactly.

[1524] Don't you lose your win bonus?

[1525] Sponsors, you lose everything.

[1526] Yeah, you lose your win bonus.

[1527] So imagine that happening in football or baseball, as much as it can happen in MMA if you're being regulated by the government well the football thing is ridiculous because there's no way you get humans that big unless they're doing something i mean everybody knows it i mean i have a friend who uh was uh in competitive high school uh football and uh he's now he's uh a technician like he's a um an i t guy brilliant guy but he told me they were giving him steroids in high school right he goes i was uh he goes i was a competitive football player and they were they were giving me steroids i was like how old were you he was like i was 17 i was like that's fucking crazy who else when your team was on steroids he goes we were all on steroids i go what the fuck are you saying your coach was giving you steroids he goes yeah he goes we were in a serious like it was a very competitive team and then they let us know what we needed to do if we wanted to get bigger and stronger and we're all like what like you and so like when you're 16 and 17 your coach says do you want steroids you're like um yeah coach i want to win in los vegas during high school when when i was in high school it was a doctor in town you went and got in his weight gain program weight gain program yeah and what did they do they would they would give you injections and pills he took both shots and pills in high school that crazy holy shit I had a kid that I went to high school that was on broids he was I don't want to say his name very nice guy turned years later I saw him and he just shriveled up he weighs 160 pounds now but when we were in high school everybody was terrified of this kid he was like 250 pounds five foot seven okay he was fucking maybe five eight gigantic i mean just huge stretch marks all over his chest his arms were enormous i don't know what he was taken but he was on some super hyper elevated levels he was playing football and this guy just juiced it to the gills and everybody kind of knew but it was not a like fucking the 80s man everybody no one else but this was i was in high school we didn't know anybody else that was doing it how old are you i am 45 so i graduated in 85 yeah i was 87 this guy was He was a year older than me, and he was on the football team, and everybody knew that he was on steroids, but no one else knew anybody else.

[1528] It wasn't like there was a whole epidemic of people on steroids, but there was this one guy that was just unbelievably, ridiculously big and aggressive.

[1529] And he, like, he kept it up for like a few years and then just got off the shit and just shriveled up to, like, nothing.

[1530] And everybody was like, what the fuck happened?

[1531] And he didn't really talk about it, and it was very strange.

[1532] But for a short period of time, this 17 -year -old kid was two hundred.

[1533] fucking and whatever pounds of just shredded muscle coming out of his head.

[1534] I mean, it was incredible what they were willing to do to this kid.

[1535] Yeah, it was like that.

[1536] In Vegas, every single school in Vegas was competitive with football, man. They say it's a real issue with high school kids these days because they know about it.

[1537] Especially football players, man. Kids who play football, you know, just being bigger is being better.

[1538] Yeah, that's a, and there's a real lottery in that.

[1539] I mean, if you're an impoverished kid in a bad community, And you can, you know, if you're big, you're six foot four and you can fucking run, man. Jesus Christ, you know, football's your big ticket.

[1540] Sure is.

[1541] Yeah, for every football, man. You go to a good high school, you go to a good college.

[1542] You go to a good college, maybe you can go to the NFL or at least get an education.

[1543] And it's just, there's so much at stake.

[1544] One of the craziest things that I've ever heard about football is that 80 % of the NFL players are bankrupt within two years of retiring.

[1545] 80 % and 60 % of NBA players.

[1546] 80 % And you deal with the impacts The head impacts in football Like There's certainly head impacts in MMA But the head impacts in football Are dudes running at each other Running Full clip 300 pound men Slamming into each other Who run as fast as track stars Oh Yeah Spiking each other in the fucking head Going helmet to helmet Yeah Lighting each other up My son plays football.

[1547] My son's a quarter, what both my sons do.

[1548] One's a quarterback.

[1549] Is that scary you?

[1550] And the other one plays defense.

[1551] Yeah.

[1552] People always ask me, I'm like, I'd rather have my kids fight.

[1553] Fight.

[1554] Yeah, I would.

[1555] And they do fight.

[1556] They fight too.

[1557] But I'd rather, I'm a fight than play football.

[1558] But what are you going to do?

[1559] Yeah.

[1560] My oldest son is a lunatic.

[1561] It's all he cares about is football.

[1562] It's all he wants to do.

[1563] It's all he cares about.

[1564] Has he had any concussions?

[1565] He didn't get that for me. You know, it's just what he loves.

[1566] Has he had any concussions?

[1567] Not that I'm aware of, no, he hasn't.

[1568] Do you know that there's been, I know you love your gambling.

[1569] You're a crazy gambling motherfucker, right?

[1570] Yeah.

[1571] Do you know that there's a direct correlation between gambling and brain damage?

[1572] Really?

[1573] Yeah.

[1574] Well, that's funny to say that.

[1575] Did you ever thought about that?

[1576] Yeah, no, you know, it was funny was when I went to, you know, when that whole Tito thing was happening, I had to go in and get full medicals done.

[1577] So, you know, from, you know, the times I've been punched in the head, you know.

[1578] Probably a lot, right?

[1579] A lot.

[1580] And, you know, I went in and I did have, I had spots on my brain.

[1581] Whoa.

[1582] Yeah.

[1583] So when, uh, what does that mean?

[1584] It's just, you know, it's trauma that's damage that's been done to you from being punched, you know.

[1585] And whether you play football or you've, you know, you boxed or you did mixed martial arts or whatever it is, any type of blows to the head, prolonged blows to the head for years.

[1586] So I was getting punched in the head until I was 31 years old.

[1587] then I didn't do anything for maybe three or four years and then I'll tell you what man getting ready for that Tito fight fucked me up bad man I really well you were sparring I really hurt myself a lot of people don't even know what that was like you had made some sort of a deal with Tito if you resigned them you would like box him Tito put in the contract that if he came back and we did this new deal part of the deal was that me and him had to fight in a boxing match three three minute rounds so you agreed to it and then you started training.

[1588] I remember you were you were still managing the UFC right and you were bringing guys out with you and you were telling me about these fucking wars that you would get in these sparring sessions with these animals like real yeah I brought in heavy weights I brought in real heavy weights guys boxers real heavyweight kids that were you know there was one kid that how old were you huh how was 37 when I did this dude I'm telling you right now I'd be sitting in my fucking office right and I kept you remember that That movie 3 o 'clock high where the kid's going to kick the dude's ass after school.

[1589] He's trying to get out of fucking getting his ass kick.

[1590] I'd be looking at the clock.

[1591] I'd go, oh, my God, fucking 1 o 'clock.

[1592] Those dudes are going to be here in two hours because I would spar at 3 o 'clock.

[1593] And I sparred every fucking day in the middle.

[1594] Once I got in shape and I was sparring with these heavyweight real, we brought in professional boxers that I was sparring with.

[1595] And I'm telling you, man, I fucking, then the day for me to get my license.

[1596] for me to get my license the commission had to see me box so they wanted to know who i was boxing with that day so i brought in this kid uh this heavyweight i'm gonna have to ask kipper kelp what his name was but he's still fighting today he just fought for i think he uh he was uh i think he's ranked number six in the world right now and uh this kid came in and that the kid i sparred with that day and we had a fucking war because the commission was watching i wanted to make sure these guys gave me a license and this dude wasn't taking it easy on me this guy was fucking putting it to me i was like what the fuck is this guy doing is he trying to kill me right now is he trying to make me not get the license so said fuck it we got to go all out of here i'm or these guys aren't going to fucking license so he was trying to show off they didn't they didn't want to license me anyway right i mean this whole thing i really kind of got a bad relationship with some of the commissioners through me getting this license to fight tito it wasn't a good thing so we had a fucking war that day me and this guy i mean fucking dropping bombs on each other right so when it was over my nose was so fucked up after getting ready for that tito fight that i had to go have surgery and uh snore like a beast and i don't know if you can tell when you look at me i got like red lines see like the red lines on the outside of my nose uh -huh i don't know why the fuck that there but it didn't used to be there and now i snore like crazy i already had a surgery the surgery didn't work it was like but man that Tito thing you well you that was my last hurrah you had deviated septic surgery and it didn't work didn't work man a mine worked great I had a great doctor I'm glad to hear that oh it's amazing mine sucked actually made my nose wider though it's funny I like look at photos makes sense something they like widened my nose somehow yeah but it's so much better man I go back to how it used to be most of my life I couldn't breathe out of my nose yeah I broke my He knows when I was five.

[1597] I fell down a flight of stairs.

[1598] And from then, a lifetime of martial arts, boxing and wrestling, it was just mashed.

[1599] It was just the inside was all fucked up.

[1600] And yours is still like that.

[1601] Yeah.

[1602] I'd go in again, man. I'd get a better doctor.

[1603] I'm done with surgeries.

[1604] Fuck that shit.

[1605] I'll snore.

[1606] I'm going to get the mouthpiece like you told me. I keep saying I'm going to do it.

[1607] I just don't do it.

[1608] Yeah, you have a sleep out man, too.

[1609] Yeah, I got it bad.

[1610] I don't sleep at all, bro.

[1611] I don't sleep at all.

[1612] You need to sleep, but you can die.

[1613] Yeah.

[1614] That shit ain't good for your heart, son.

[1615] I know?

[1616] What are you doing?

[1617] You got money now?

[1618] You got resources?

[1619] We're all going to die.

[1620] Yeah, but we don't have to die this way.

[1621] I'm done.

[1622] You're drinking some green shit over there.

[1623] You must be at least thinking about your health.

[1624] You're basically worrying about your health.

[1625] I put on a diet.

[1626] Yeah?

[1627] Yeah, I'm on this diet because of the ear.

[1628] What does it do?

[1629] What does he?

[1630] Got to stay away from salt and all kinds.

[1631] There's all kinds of shit that triggers this thing.

[1632] Salt's good for you.

[1633] Not for me. It's bad for me. Yeah, it's probably sodium and foods.

[1634] But actual natural salt.

[1635] Caffeine.

[1636] caffeine all that shit triggers this year alcohol all the fun shit really yeah all the fun stuff cake how was cake cake cake fuck you up i haven't i haven't eaten i've seriously for like i've lost 18 pounds in the last four weeks well it makes sense that keeping your body healthy would stop the manor's disease plus i'm just doing everything i can to to try to kick this thing and get healthy again did the boxing accentuate it did it make it worse when you started training for the tito fight yeah oh no well i didn't have it then i had i had it it was for me but i didn't actually have them.

[1637] I didn't get them in years.

[1638] My first attack was not this past Christmas, but the Christmas before.

[1639] Well, what do you think brought it on?

[1640] It's just time.

[1641] And, you know, all the stuff that happened in Boston and, yeah, the accumulation of punches over the last, you know, however many years.

[1642] But yeah, I have spots in my brain when I went in for that thing.

[1643] And, you know, there's, when you do this for a living, you know, it's like that it's not like you don't know that there's risks.

[1644] I always knew there were risks the whole time that I was doing it, but it was what I loved to do.

[1645] You know, if I could go back and do it all again, I wouldn't change one thing.

[1646] Wow.

[1647] I might have turned down the Tito fight, but just, yeah, the brain damage scene in chronic gamblers.

[1648] There's been a lot of studies on that lately, that they don't know why, but there's a direct correlation between people who have suffered brain damage and loving to gamble.

[1649] tell you this I was a gambler before I ever had brain damage I'll tell you really oh yeah I've always loved gambling since I was a kid I grew up in Vegas bro I used to I used to go to the casinos and literally you could fucking hang out casinos when back in the old days you know you didn't get chased out like you do today that you know there's so many more rules and regulations in Vegas than there used to be when I was growing up there you're talking early 80s like one stuff like that so you were like the showboat the showboast Boston by then we moved my family lived in boston we moved to Vegas when I was in third grade so I consider myself really from Vegas because that's where I really grew up then you went back to Boston went back to Boston when I was 17 I moved back there what happened I didn't really move back there I went back there on vacation and I just fucking stayed I was having a blast back there I said fuck it I'm gonna stay so I just stayed but I used to I used to go into the casinos and watch guys play big money just watch guys play big money And then watches these guys going, holy shit.

[1650] What's the most money you've ever gambled?

[1651] That's 50 grand.

[1652] What's the most money you've ever gambled?

[1653] The most I've ever lost in one night?

[1654] $8 .10.

[1655] How much?

[1656] Okay.

[1657] What's the most you've ever lost in one night?

[1658] A million bucks.

[1659] Oh, my.

[1660] How'd you sleep?

[1661] Pretty good.

[1662] Elliot's been with me for some crazy ones.

[1663] How much is it?

[1664] What's the most you ever won?

[1665] Six million.

[1666] Oh, Jesus.

[1667] Do you want six million in a night?

[1668] Six million bucks.

[1669] Oh, my.

[1670] God, is it true that the reason why we don't go back to the palms is because they cut back your, uh, your gambling budget because you were killing them?

[1671] I got, yeah.

[1672] Really?

[1673] Yeah.

[1674] That seems ridiculous.

[1675] But that's the way Vegas is now.

[1676] But that sounds ridiculous that they would do that with you.

[1677] But that's the way Vegas is now.

[1678] These guys, the way the economy is and stuff, Vegas ain't what it used to be, brother.

[1679] You look at the wind.

[1680] Go try to play big money at the wind.

[1681] Really?

[1682] All their pussies.

[1683] It's fucking crazy.

[1684] Did you see what happened in Vegas today?

[1685] There's, uh, all these people dead.

[1686] What?

[1687] There was a shootout right on the strip, and a rapper's dead, and, like, three people are dead.

[1688] Who's the rapper?

[1689] His name is Kenny Cherry Jr., a rapper also known as Kenny Clutch.

[1690] Have you heard of him?

[1691] No. Me neither.

[1692] But, yeah, there's all the...

[1693] Where?

[1694] Where did it happen?

[1695] I believe it was right in front of Bellagio.

[1696] Oh, a big shootout happened, and people just started getting shot?

[1697] Yeah.

[1698] How many people got shot?

[1699] It started around 4 .20 a .m. a dispute in the valet lot of the area hotel.

[1700] Well, Aria Hotel, about a block away.

[1701] And then the driver was hit.

[1702] The Maserati continued into the intersection of the boulevard and Flamingo Road and collided with a taxi, which caught fire.

[1703] Jesus Christ.

[1704] Sounds like a movie.

[1705] Three other people died in it.

[1706] Whoa.

[1707] Holy shit.

[1708] That is freaky.

[1709] Do you remember when the All -Star, the NBA All -Star game came to Vegas and his fucking crazy murders and shootouts?

[1710] Dude, I was there.

[1711] I'm telling you, I was actually funny because it was the Bellagio.

[1712] When that thing was there, I was at the Bellagio, and it was just, it was bad, man. It was, like, just a bad vibe in there, and it was weird.

[1713] What happened?

[1714] It was a crazy week.

[1715] I don't know.

[1716] It just, I'll tell you what it felt like.

[1717] It felt like the night that we, I was at the Tyson -Holyfield fight when he fucking bit his ear and all that shit, the night Tupac got shot.

[1718] Yeah.

[1719] Dude, I was fucking there that night, and it was bad.

[1720] I mean, they didn't report how bad it really was.

[1721] People were fucking grabbing chips off the table.

[1722] people were jumping on top of the on top of the tables i remember when we walked out of the fight somebody took uh and threw the program slapped them out of the guy's hands and people were just going fucking crazy it's weird and and people who are listening might have been in this situation before especially Canadians and shit because of fucking hockey but when a riot starts to break out it is a creepy weird feeling man but i can't explain it and people who have been in it will understand what i'm talking about you feel it starting to happen and i was like we got to get the fuck out of here man um and we uh we got out we started it felt like a bad it felt like a wave was coming behind us and just shit was going on everywhere and then we got out just in time before they locked that place down yeah they don't fuck around in Vegas man i remember when we were in vancouver and then there was the riots right after we left the hockey riots right that was right after we left yeah that was fucking crazy right because that was the first time there was like real accountability for that shit where they got photos of everybody doing like hey asshole we know who you are and they went after all these guys they were like regular college kids yeah these days with all the cameras yeah yeah the other thing last uh you know i like going to to celtic laker games man in la la lay lay it's awesome it's the best i love doing it so for game seven um last time that the lakers played the celtics in the championship i was there for game seven Celtics are winning the whole game they end up losing at the end right so we leave and we're leaving and we're starting to drive away they fucking won right people are jumping on cars people started you know you're in traffic getting out of there and people are just jumping on your fucking car and jumping from car to car I was like holy shit this is crazy so we go over this restaurant that's down the street the palm and we're going to go over there and eat and I get out of the car and all these people out there all these Laker fans who are like Dana White what's up Dana White you're a fucking Celtics fan aren't you?

[1723] I said, huh?

[1724] I don't even fucking watch basketball, man. I'm here to eat.

[1725] I'm like I pretend that I wasn't even there for the game.

[1726] I'm fucking getting in the riot with the fucking Laker fans.

[1727] Are you kidding me?

[1728] To get me the fuck out of here.

[1729] Didn't they the Dodgers beat the shit out of some fucking kid that was a Giants fan?

[1730] Killed him?

[1731] Or no, crippled him, right?

[1732] Yeah, he's really, really, really fucked up.

[1733] Yeah, that's a thing that fucking, that thing that happens after games in L .A., it happens a lot.

[1734] They light cars on fire and flip them over and shit, even if they win.

[1735] Yep.

[1736] It's like they're looking for an opportunity to do something really crazy and fucked up.

[1737] I almost died at the last UFC because you tweeted tickets at Mandalay Bay and there was just this roar coming down the hallway and I turn around and there was probably a good 200 people running down the hallway of Mandalay Bay.

[1738] Yeah.

[1739] We've had some bad situations with tweeting tickets.

[1740] I usually try to control it as best I can.

[1741] The worst ever was in Toronto.

[1742] Toronto was really scary.

[1743] We had a bad situation.

[1744] there where people just went fucking crazy and we're trying to rush in and I'm looking down and I see these you know those girls in there too and they're getting smashed and it's freaky it is freaky yeah it's such big people too usually a lot of big people coming my way yeah the last time you want to fight the last time place you want to start a fight is in the crowd of UFC it's so true you never know who the fuck is in there 90 % of them trained so true you know you got it's funny because you know you say that I was driving the other day and uh and i and i had one of my bodies in the car right and i and i said you see that dude at the light and this fucking dude was lanky skinny as hell glasses on fucking pasty white fucked up hair guy looked like the biggest fucking dork you've ever seen in your life right this this dude that you would you know and i said to my buddy that dude would whoop your fucking ass you realize that right he's like what are you talking about that you fucking drove away they had a big jiu jitza sticker on the back of his car like he goes to one of the jihitsu schools you know that's one of those dudes that like a joe loz on or one of those type of guys you'd be like or who's the other kid that used to fight for us and his whole yes his him no the other one there were two brothers his whole thing was kind of like being a nerd that he looked like a nerd but he was a badass dude he i think he came from franklin's place oh yeah the barn cat yeah yeah yeah god damn it hold so those those kids that look like you know if they said anything to you'd be like dude i'll whip your ass those are the guys that'll put you in a fucking Comer.

[1745] True.

[1746] I always look at the ears.

[1747] Tamden McCrorey.

[1748] Camden McCrorey was a bad motherfucker.

[1749] He was a tough kid.

[1750] What is he doing these days?

[1751] Yeah.

[1752] I don't know where he's up.

[1753] He was tough.

[1754] There's so many guys in and out.

[1755] I mean, we've seen so many fighters.

[1756] How many fighters did you guys just cut?

[1757] I think it was like 15.

[1758] Oh, shit.

[1759] A lot of people got bummed out at some of them, right?

[1760] Like Fitch.

[1761] People got bummed out at Fitch.

[1762] If there's one you really want to make a case for, it's Fitch.

[1763] You know what I mean?

[1764] Yeah.

[1765] But this is nothing new.

[1766] This didn't just start.

[1767] I mean, we can just say, oh, you know, we're going to start cutting guys.

[1768] Guys get cut every event.

[1769] Every event we have, there's two things after every event.

[1770] There's a list of guys that their contracts are almost up and need to be resigned, and there's a list of guys that are getting cut.

[1771] Is there a way to make more fights?

[1772] Is it a saturation point right now?

[1773] No, I mean, that's what's funny because everybody's like, there's too many fights, there's too many fights, you fucking got too many.

[1774] What the fuck are you talking about?

[1775] There's too many fights.

[1776] games on.

[1777] As long as we're putting on good fights, people will want to watch them.

[1778] That was one of the big problems with our other television deal.

[1779] They couldn't handle our content.

[1780] As we continue to grow, we've got more and more content that we need, meaning we need to put more fights on TV.

[1781] They couldn't handle the load.

[1782] You mean the spike TV deal, as opposed to fuel and FX and Fox.

[1783] Right.

[1784] Fox can handle the amount of fights that we want to do.

[1785] It's a pool hall I go to and they have FX on or fuel on all the time.

[1786] And it's just fucking fights fuel is like the f it's like the ufc network dude fuel has become an awesome fucking channel if you sit down if you ever used to watch fuel back in the old days you know it seemed like this you know you watch fuel now it's fucking bad ass it's such a really good network if you love the ufc yeah you got to watch fucking fuel i was there at this uh pool hall the other day and they had the best of 2012 on it was like short attention span theater it just bang bang bang like highlight wheels not even the fights but the highlights of these fights so it was just insanity after it was so hard to pay attention to pool because it was just like head kicked strangled fucking take town boom boom boom boom just chaos it is it's awesome the other thing that they had on me and lorence were in this meeting and lorence was off and he's got this huge fucking tv over on the side right and fuel was on and it was like the pride's like pride's greatest knockouts ever and then we're sitting there and we're trying to talk and I keep looking over at the fucking TV and I'm like oh shit I forgot about that one and then we start watching the fucking knockouts for a minute and then we get back to the meeting I'm like dude turn this fucking TV off we can't we can't even fucking talking here and uh and it's like you've seen too yeah but the thing is when you see that old pride because because we used to watch pride every when when uh back when the office was we own the whole building now but it used to be for tita enterprises Gordon beersh and then I had a fucking broom closet over and a side over for the UFC and uh we used to have this is his dad had this big library it was fucking awesome it was all pimped out they had gordon beers on tap and shit and and it was really cool and we used to go there and we used to watch all the pride fights and uh so when you see those old pride fights you know so it's just it's fun man i was the biggest fucking saccaraba fan man i was such a huge fan yeah i was a huge huge pride fan you know they offered me the job as a commentator in pride I worked for you guys and they offered me when I was at your after party the pride people came up to me I'd like to talk to you American celebrity do commentary for pride but I do come over here I was like get the fuck out of here I'm not going to Japan definitely not doing that dude it was crazy I'm really surprised with all the stories that I hear and the stuff that I just know myself about pride that more of the fighters will talk to me about what went down in pride and the stuff that fucking happened I don't ever hear him talk about it publicly Well we had Ensign on the podcast And he was telling us the whole Yakuza connection It was fascinating And listen to him tell about You know what it was like working back then You know working for these guys And what with it you know He became like friends with all these Yakuza guys And got in with all the Yakuza It was like that's how they run things over there It's just that's the price of doing business And pride was just completely interconnected with it it's uh it's i mean it's a part of history you know but you know no more a part of history than the ufc but you really do you ever stop and think about how crazy it is that you're a part of this thing that like i said before just sort of exploded onto the the popular culture that didn't exist before when we were kids there was different martial arts there was judo and karate and all this shit and no one knew what the fuck was the best thing and everybody had their own beliefs but to have from 1993 to 2013 so this this this this 20 year gap that we've seen we've seen the evolution of martial arts just completely change and this sport just explode into the mainstream and you're at the front of it like that's a wild ride dude that's a wild ride for a regular guy when i met you i was on tv you were a fucking regular guy was a boxing manager and all of a sudden you're like a celebrity now and you're like a part of the host of the ultimate fighter but somehow or another you've seamlessly sort of smoothly operated through this strange thing but you're still the same guy you show every other word is fucking you know it's fucking guy this fucking let me fucking tell you about fucking victor content you're the same guy i mean that's the same guy that i could have talked to in 2001 we could have the same conversation i mean obviously you've you've grown you've learned you've evolved and you know i'm not saying you're you're like you're stunted your growth but i'm saying you that you've the same i don't it's not like i don't even know dane anymore you and i have like we've never even had an argument ever and not even close i mean that's that's that's kind of crazy too yeah you're the same dude yeah but you know the the the reason that you and i have never had an argument is because you're a fucking good guy you're you're a solid guy you're a fucking stand -up guy you your word uh you know your word is your fucking word when you say you're going to do something you do it um you know uh every however long it is we renegotiate your fucking contract and we we we up you there's shit that i'll fucking call you up and say dude i need a fucking favor and you do a favor and there's times when you say dude i need a favor and i'll give you the favor but you operate like a fucking real guy and you're a real guy too um and that's really all it takes to be whatever but the fact that you say that i'm the same guy means a lot to me and i appreciate that when when people say that but um you know there's a lot of there's a lot of myths out there about me and there's a lot of things that are really true the the the the the the myths are that he's this fucking tyrant that you know he wants to go out and destroy people's lives and wants to do this and that and all this other shit and then there's guys who fuck with us you know if you want to pick a fight with us right then we're gonna fucking this is a big difference and people understand have to understand that there's a big difference between someone who's an asshole and someone who just doesn't like to be fucked with here's a big difference you're i mean and i'm just i'm not just saying this because you're here you're a remarkably nice person i've seen you deal with fans and this is like oh you're kissing your boss's ass on the podcast right you know you look dude if anybody says anything nice about me you're kissing my fucking ass it's the truth but that situation you you know you you've handled it remarkably well you know remarkably well but when you get fucked with you go crazy and you go overboard.

[1787] There's no doubt about it.

[1788] And I'll admit to it.

[1789] You go to war.

[1790] There's no doubt, and I will admit to that.

[1791] It's probably, I don't know if it's my biggest flaw or my biggest strength.

[1792] I called Dana White, and it was like, I don't know what time it was.

[1793] It was late at night.

[1794] And I said, I guess you're fucking celebrating right now.

[1795] It's right after Josh Barnett pissed positive, and they canceled the Fedor fight.

[1796] And you were like, what?

[1797] I'm gambling right now.

[1798] What the fuck is going on?

[1799] Yeah, I'd never that like it was yesterday, man. I'm fucking sitting at the thing playing.

[1800] cards man and i don't ever answer my fucking phone and i'm like oh fuck rogan's calling me why why the fucking rogan be calling me this this can't be good so you told me he's like he pissed i'm like what like you went crazy dude i left i left my fucking chips on the table and walked the fuck out of the place i remember you called me we're shutting him down we're buying him out we're taking him over we're doing domination it was like her tom what it was like conan music was what did i say to you that night when you call me i said you're fucking kidding me he did that's it they're done not dead they're dead that was it josh barnett just killed him there was that it was a lead ex see i mean there's been so many different times over the past where you've gone to war with whoever was running whatever organization that was trying to fuck with you guys and it's and it's every guy has had the same mo that that we've done it with it all come out and talk shit about us they said yeah these guys don't fucking run it right we're actually going to be good to the fighters and treat them good and we're going to what the fuck are you talking about the iFL that wasn't that they're the rap that was the fucking funniest one ever those guys were fucking hilarious Arizona Wolverines the silverbacks they tried to be a bunch of different teams and that was fucking hilarious well everybody has to try to figure out their own slice of the but that one was funny that one was actually fucking fun it is funny but here's what's unnecessary to compete you don't have to talk shit you don't you do all you have to do I mean I've even heard Bellator talk shit why would you do that?

[1801] No no no let's be fair here let's be fair you know that Bellator has made a couple of snide remarks offbeat fucking comments you know what i mean and it happens uh it was the fucking p r guy over at spike david schwartz he's the fucking guy he did some fucking punk ass shit last season of the ultimate fighter and uh what do you do so what he was doing was every time the ratings would come out he would send all the fucking oh the media fucking told me you think they're not going to fucking tell me that you dick you know what i mean they'd tell me that you dick you know what this guy was doing.

[1802] And I was like, all right.

[1803] What was he doing?

[1804] He was sending them all the ratings.

[1805] Oh, you have, it's tanking.

[1806] It's fucking tanking.

[1807] Oh, so the ultimate fighter doesn't work over there.

[1808] Let's explain it to everybody.

[1809] This was when you guys had already been on your way out.

[1810] So, no, all right.

[1811] So everybody understands when we found out that we weren't doing a deal.

[1812] My beef is not with Bellator or Bjork or any of those guys over there.

[1813] Not my beef.

[1814] His name is Bjorn.

[1815] Bjorn.

[1816] It's not my beef.

[1817] with them that that guy's never really said anything he's had a couple of little things that he said you know and and and that's that's the whole uh spike you know we want to there's a guy his name is philippe dumon okay this guy runs viacom a viacom the two guys who run viacom couldn't get along he got split down the middle uh he runs viacom which is spike MTV Comedy Central Nickelodeon and all that stuff less moon vest runs CBS, okay?

[1818] So this guy, Philippe Dumont, we start into our negotiations for our new contract, and this guy basically says to us, here's the deal, sign it by tomorrow or fuck you.

[1819] What the fuck kind of shit is that?

[1820] This is, after all those years of being in business today?

[1821] And I have a great working relationship with Spike, with Kevin Kay, with Doug Herzog, the guy who runs Comedy Central and Spike.

[1822] So this guy's like, yeah, fuck you.

[1823] We built you.

[1824] And we'll just build another one.

[1825] You know?

[1826] And the way that we are, we're like, fuck you.

[1827] What the fuck do you think you're talking to you fucking?

[1828] You know what I mean?

[1829] You fucking built the UFC, you piece of shit?

[1830] No, you fucking didn't.

[1831] You know?

[1832] And so we knew we weren't signing with these guys.

[1833] We knew we weren't signing.

[1834] So as soon as we're not signing, we, we, they shut the fuck.

[1835] faucet off.

[1836] All the things that we used to be able to do on Spike was done six months before we were even gone.

[1837] Right?

[1838] So we go out and start shopping around.

[1839] We start talking to all the big guys.

[1840] We end up doing this deal with Fox, right?

[1841] We end up doing this great deal with Fox.

[1842] They're the greatest guys in the world.

[1843] Everything's great.

[1844] And now these guys start acting like fucking crazy ex -girlfriend.

[1845] You know what I mean?

[1846] Like they wanted us and we went with somebody else.

[1847] So what were they doing?

[1848] No, you fucking shit on us And disrespected us And treated us like fucking assholes And then said you built the UFC But this is all this one guy though Yeah, that one guy Yeah, Philippe Dumont So How does he got to get to be Ahead of Viacom?

[1849] How does that work?

[1850] I don't know how that works His real name is Philly's from fucking New Jersey What's?

[1851] Wait a minute Yeah, Philippe Dumas Sounds like he's from fucking France or something, right?

[1852] Are you serious?

[1853] Yeah.

[1854] Wait a minute, His name's not Philippe?

[1855] Yeah, it's Phil.

[1856] He's from New Jersey He makes me to call himself Salis?

[1857] Did you make that up?

[1858] I bust his balls.

[1859] I don't know.

[1860] Did you make that up?

[1861] What?

[1862] I like that.

[1863] Let's run with that.

[1864] Put it online, ladies gentlemen.

[1865] So, Jerry Rice, what was his name?

[1866] The guy from Jerry Millen?

[1867] Yeah, yeah.

[1868] Wasn't that true with him?

[1869] Where the fuck is that guy?

[1870] Yeah, exactly.

[1871] But didn't that guy, didn't, like, Boss Routon said that that wasn't his real name?

[1872] Like, it changed his name.

[1873] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did hear that.

[1874] Oh, me and him.

[1875] Yeah.

[1876] Well, I know.

[1877] We've had some.

[1878] The whole thing with your mom.

[1879] Yeah, exactly.

[1880] That's sick, fuck.

[1881] I wouldn't do that to my worst enemy.

[1882] Yeah.

[1883] Interview's your mom.

[1884] Yeah.

[1885] No, they did some low shit, man. Other competitors have tried to do shit.

[1886] It's apparent my mom will go as low as she can go.

[1887] So, you know, anybody who wants to try to, whatever, it's just.

[1888] That's got to be cute.

[1889] So we end up doing this deal of Fox, and these guys start acting like, you know, like we did something wrong to them.

[1890] And even the guys at Spike, like David Schwartz, you know, I worked with this guy for six years.

[1891] And now you're really going to do that to us.

[1892] You're going to send out these things and put out these, when people don't know.

[1893] Do you think he was probably trying to protect his job?

[1894] Maybe a guy like Philippe Dumont was telling him to do something.

[1895] No, no, no. Filippe doesn't fucking, he's not looking.

[1896] He says, ah, let's do this.

[1897] And they make this decision to buy this thing and do whatever.

[1898] You know, he's not involved in the day -to -day at Spike.

[1899] They spend $50 million for Bellator.

[1900] I don't know about that.

[1901] You don't know about that?

[1902] But a lot of people don't really, there was a lot of, do you think that, I don't know how much money the Bjorn guy put in himself, but there were a lot of investors.

[1903] and Viacom had to go buy out all the investors.

[1904] Right.

[1905] Well, what $50 million?

[1906] I don't know.

[1907] You know, it depends on what number.

[1908] I don't believe that number.

[1909] Do you think Viacom's running it now?

[1910] Oh, yeah.

[1911] 100%.

[1912] Oh, yeah.

[1913] So what is Bjorn a figurehead?

[1914] Those guys are, they own the majority of the company.

[1915] They're making the decisions over there.

[1916] I'm sure that guy's over there putting together fights and doing whatever.

[1917] But let me tell you what, there's a guy over there.

[1918] What the hell is his name?

[1919] there's a guy over there let me remember he's a fucking super sharp dude at Viacom guy over there at Viacom that's double triple sharp and he...

[1920] Too bad you can't remember his name I know I'll remember some respect for the guy Yeah no I know but I'm so bad What's it looked like?

[1921] I'm so bad with names red hair black guy this is the guy with Viacom He's one of the high up guys God what's his name I was just talking about him the other day But this guy's super smart And I guarantee you if there's anybody that's involved In trying to figure out how to build this thing He's the guy that's in there doing it yeah it's a it's a fascinating thing to say him i like jimmy smith i think he does a great job you know over at bellator and i think they've got some good fights but it's uh it's so interesting seeing how uh the ufc has become like Kleenex or you know uh it's become it's become like it's not even it's not even that what people but it has yeah i know i agree but what people don't realize is how hard we work at this it's like we get in that office in the morning and we're there till fucking late at night and everything we do we're absolute crazy about man and and while building the business and dealing with all the the goofy shit that happens every day um putting out fires and things that just happened dealing with the fucking culinary union scumbags and uh all that stuff you know we still have to grow the business we still have to get out there and do deals and it's crazy man it just never stops thing is like a A little baby that you just can't leave alone.

[1922] You have to take care of it 24 -7.

[1923] Yeah, it's a crazy business.

[1924] And the fucker never sleeps.

[1925] People don't know the culinary business thing.

[1926] If folks don't know what you're talking about, the culinary union has been trying to get the UFC shut down because the UFC is owned by Zufa, which is owned by the Fratitas, who also owns station casinos, which are non -union.

[1927] The culinary union would stand to profit.

[1928] How much?

[1929] The number is like $11 million a year.

[1930] 11 million a year if they if they can get station casinos so they just constantly torment every day every day something goes out the right before i left here there was a flyer that came out where they took a quote from chale sonan and uh you know it was chale on one of his rants at a Q &A and uh they they put together a flyer and they send it out to sponsors television networks everybody and they they do this every day and i'm the fucking gold mine for them so i'm in every one of their flyers they created a website about me and everything but it's amazing that anybody would even listen to him at this point in time how much pull does a color they're losing they're losing tons of respect yeah they're losing of this yeah it's so transparent oh there's no doubt and and as we continue to talk to a lot of the you know the sponsors and television networks and everything that happens they actually can't stand the union now well it's gangsterism oh dude these guys actually have gangster roots this is these guys literally i'm going to pull up the lineage of the las Vegas Culinary Union.

[1931] I want to get it to you.

[1932] It would be great for you to read.

[1933] Gangsters, killing people and, yeah, literally gangsters.

[1934] There's 11 million a year and them going union.

[1935] And the workers at the casinos don't want this, apparently?

[1936] Is that the case?

[1937] Exactly.

[1938] Is that what they say?

[1939] Even there's a story, even about the MGM, how they ended up coming to some deal with the union.

[1940] So what they do is they let the union come into the hotel to get people to sign up.

[1941] It took four years.

[1942] You know, they're in the fucking kitchen, you know, down with the people.

[1943] eat every day terrorizing the people to sign well yeah it's a fucking nightmare man bad people they're bad people well Vegas has a massive history then they start then they start like for instance man fucking mandy more right manny more is one of the sweetest people you could ever meet yeah one of the nicest fucking people and one of the most unlikely UFC fans on earth right fucking sweetheart the girl is if you ever talk to words there's not a bad bone in her fucking body these fucking piece of shit scumbags start hammering Disney going, because, you know, she did that movie, uh, tangled.

[1944] Uh -huh.

[1945] How could you be in business with somebody like Mandy Moore who supports the UFC?

[1946] And did you know that they're against gay people?

[1947] And did you know that they that they fucking hate black people?

[1948] And did you know that they hate fucking yellow people?

[1949] And did you know that they're this, that?

[1950] And did you know that the guy who runs it swears?

[1951] And he, and he's like a bald Nazi and like all this fucking shit they send it to, to Disney about Mandy Moore.

[1952] What kind of a fucking piece of shit do you need to be to fucking do that to Mandy Moore?

[1953] Vegas is a strange, strange place.

[1954] And the fact that that can still exist in a place like Vegas, Vegas has so much old school about it when it comes to that kind of stuff.

[1955] Yeah, that's true.

[1956] And these people are so scummy.

[1957] You like living there, don't you?

[1958] I do.

[1959] I always think about doing a weekly show.

[1960] I think about like, if I had like a weekly show at a casino like i could do like a smaller casino or like a hard rock type of thing and have some kind of a weekly show what would that be like i think you should do it i think you could yeah but i don't think i could live there oh you mean live there no i could never live there joe let me tell you what if you lived in Vegas you could set up a shop just like this uh you know even bigger and better it'd be cheaper there's no taxes you know you pay no state tax there but you got to live in Vegas right but when you live there you can stay away from the strip and all that shit and not even know you there it's like being near true you're there it's like being near Chernobyl.

[1961] You're going to get the residual.

[1962] You're going to get the black rain of Vegas.

[1963] The dark Lord lives there.

[1964] You could live there not even know.

[1965] You could say that.

[1966] I'm telling you.

[1967] How far out do you live?

[1968] How far away?

[1969] The way that you are, the way you're fucking built, there's no way.

[1970] I'm probably, I live in what's called Summerlin, which is probably 15 minutes away from the strip.

[1971] I would live in the mountains.

[1972] I'd have to get on a snowmobile to drive down to where you could take a car.

[1973] You could live on, you know, Mount Charleston.

[1974] There's some cool places up there.

[1975] How far away is that from Vegas?

[1976] 20 minutes.

[1977] I still couldn't live there.

[1978] I have kids.

[1979] How do you have your kids in Vegas?

[1980] Love it, man. You don't have any problem with your kids being near that fucking giant battery of sin?

[1981] I grew up there.

[1982] It's a big pulsating battery of sin.

[1983] I grew up there.

[1984] Look at how great I turned out.

[1985] Look at you.

[1986] I guess if you grew up there, you wouldn't be worried about it.

[1987] I'm an alien looking at it from the outside.

[1988] I come in.

[1989] Let me tell you what.

[1990] I leave hungover going, get me the fuck out of here.

[1991] And I could imagine living there.

[1992] Let me tell you what, I got a place in Laguna, right?

[1993] I got a house in Vegas.

[1994] and I got 100 acres in Maine, okay?

[1995] You could fucking live, you see the shit that I've seen happen up in Maine to kids.

[1996] Kids getting fucked up on drugs.

[1997] Pregnant at fucking 16.

[1998] You name it.

[1999] It doesn't matter where you live as long as you stay on top of your kids.

[2000] You just got to stay on them.

[2001] That's true.

[2002] Yeah, I mean, I would imagine at least maybe if they're aware that something like Vegas exists early on, maybe they'd be inoculated to the pressures.

[2003] You know, maybe.

[2004] I don't know what the fuck am I talking about.

[2005] I wouldn't want a home going to live in Vegas.

[2006] Yeah.

[2007] But I'd like to do a weekly show there.

[2008] It seems like it would be a fun thing to do.

[2009] Yeah, you should do a residency somewhere with one of the places.

[2010] Shut up.

[2011] There you go.

[2012] What do you have to do that?

[2013] I did that's a good room.

[2014] Do you have to hug them?

[2015] No. You did the Louis Anderson Theater?

[2016] I sure did.

[2017] Is it a good room?

[2018] Yeah.

[2019] That's cool.

[2020] It's small.

[2021] But it's nice.

[2022] It's a palace.

[2023] Vegas does not have a lot of good places to do comedy anymore.

[2024] Yeah.

[2025] They used to have that.

[2026] Well, they do a lot of shit at the Mirage.

[2027] Do they?

[2028] Yeah, the Mirage has Ray Romano, they have Kevin James, they have Tosh, is there, there's a bunch of comedians there.

[2029] They got a pretty good comedy scene.

[2030] Or the laugh factory.

[2031] Penn Teller likes it.

[2032] Like Penn, I know Penn for it pretty well.

[2033] He fucking loves it.

[2034] I see him every morning.

[2035] His kids go to the same school, wind us.

[2036] Really?

[2037] Yeah.

[2038] And what kind of school is that?

[2039] Like a private school?

[2040] What are the kids like?

[2041] Normal kids?

[2042] Yeah, it's the greatest private school there.

[2043] There's a fucking freaky school.

[2044] private school there too my kids started there i got them a fuck out of that place yeah yeah it was like fucking germany 19 fucking 42 what do you mean it's just bad kids aren't allowed to talk at lunch everywhere they walk in the school they have to walk in a single file line how the fuck do you not talk at lunch wow single file line in Vegas yeah you want to hear you want to hear the best making hookers this play they're just gonna snap back the other way this school's expensive as hell right so one day that fucking show up at the school they call us in they're like yeah your son's having trouble reading okay so what yeah he's having trouble reading it's it's a problem what the fuck am i paying you for aren't you supposed to be you should have saw this conversation they were out of that school that day so what was like saying like you need to teach them no like like fucking it's one of these elitist schools where you're either super fucking smart and you pick up their curriculum because they don't really teach what they have a curriculum there that the kids have to follow.

[2045] These kids in fucking kindergarten get buried in homework.

[2046] It's one of these places where you go there.

[2047] Every fucking mother, their faces are fucking sewn back to their ears.

[2048] And, you know, they put on fucking diamonds the size of this egg to go, you know, they're all done up at fucking six in the morning to take their kids to school.

[2049] You know, yeah, I lasted a month at that freak show.

[2050] Wow.

[2051] Yeah, I'm like, what the fuck am I paying you for?

[2052] Aren't I paying you to teach them how to read?

[2053] You get very angry when you're reenacting this.

[2054] Yeah.

[2055] No, it's a touchy seventh.

[2056] I see it.

[2057] I see it.

[2058] It brings you right back down there.

[2059] How do we get anywhere?

[2060] Spirman Rhino Elementary School.

[2061] It's Beirman Rino Elementary School.

[2062] Yeah, that's what it is.

[2063] You're training people for the rhino.

[2064] But that's where you'd put your kids at Dawson.

[2065] It's a school over there.

[2066] The school that you go to go to.

[2067] They love it.

[2068] I'm not going to Vegas.

[2069] I'm not moving to Vegas.

[2070] I just say you said you're moving there.

[2071] No. I'm trying to get back to the mountains.

[2072] I'm trying to go back to Colorado.

[2073] That's fucking crazy.

[2074] You found out what that's all about.

[2075] It's great.

[2076] Loved it.

[2077] Sabber -toe tigers in your.

[2078] backyard and shit.

[2079] You kill me. I got guns.

[2080] I'm fine.

[2081] It wasn't for Mrs. Rogan.

[2082] I'd be back there right now.

[2083] Colorado is actually a cool place.

[2084] I like it too.

[2085] Well, for me, too, it's also the dealing with the giant crowds of people at UFCs and a comedy shows.

[2086] I like the contrast of being in the woods.

[2087] I like the contrast to the both.

[2088] I like it.

[2089] I think it's good for you to be in the Colorado's cool, man. It's great.

[2090] The only problem with Colorado is, you got to have that winter.

[2091] Yeah.

[2092] Got to go through those winters, man. It ain't that bad.

[2093] Colorado winter is not that bad.

[2094] You're crazy.

[2095] It's not that bad.

[2096] It's not Boston.

[2097] Dude, I'm telling you.

[2098] I'm telling you you i'm too old for that shit okay if it when i get up in Vegas and it's 40 out i'm like what the fuck is this shit i'm 40 well Vegas is 40 and cold because there's no heart there's no heart to the city it's a different kind of cold it's a fucking demonic cold that's funny creeps into your marrow oh Vegas huh i like Vegas i'm just kidding i like coming in and getting out though but you know the problem is i'm always in town you know if i'm in there with edie brava we're always hammered you know uh if i'm there for the fights it's the place dude I You know what I feel that way?

[2099] That's how L .A. is for me. Oh, yeah.

[2100] When I come to L .A., I'm like, this place is the fucking devil.

[2101] And I live in Vegas, for Christ's sake.

[2102] Two days here, and I'm like, get me the fuck out of here.

[2103] You're with you, kids.

[2104] You can go out and drink.

[2105] Holy shit.

[2106] So you're avoiding alcohol completely now?

[2107] Mm -hmm.

[2108] Wow.

[2109] So why don't you try a little weed?

[2110] Just a little bit.

[2111] I haven't drank in six weeks.

[2112] You can get medical marijuana.

[2113] Medical from a doctor.

[2114] I just never been into it, man. What if it straightens you right the fuck out?

[2115] Like how?

[2116] Like your equilibrium, all that shit.

[2117] Your vertigo.

[2118] So if it did that, you'd have to be high.

[2119] Yes.

[2120] Yeah.

[2121] I can't do it.

[2122] It'd be fun.

[2123] Trust me. You would love it.

[2124] It'd be fun.

[2125] I can't do it, man. Let's try it right now.

[2126] I'm too old, man. I'm too old.

[2127] I can't do that shit.

[2128] Listen, there's no such thing.

[2129] Just fucking take a week off.

[2130] When you have a week off, give it a shot.

[2131] Let me know.

[2132] Let me know when you're ready.

[2133] Just, you know, when you got a fucking earache one day, You're like, listen.

[2134] I can't take the shit anymore.

[2135] Take me somewhere.

[2136] Come on.

[2137] Just a little try.

[2138] Look, if you're going to do it, just don't do it with anybody else.

[2139] Don't do it with the tooth.

[2140] This motherfucker will bring a gravity bong and put you on Mars on the first day.

[2141] You've got to go slowly.

[2142] Maybe that's what I got to do is get the tooth high.

[2143] I'm telling you right now, I'm late to every fucking thing I do with this guy.

[2144] It's unbelievable.

[2145] The tooth's a great guy.

[2146] He's like my other little kid.

[2147] But he's such a personality.

[2148] It's fun to have around.

[2149] He is fun to have around.

[2150] I'll tell you what, there's never a fucking day that you wake up that the tooth's in a bad mood.

[2151] Tooth never has a bad day.

[2152] Never like fucking, what's the matter, tooth?

[2153] Why are you upset today?

[2154] Today is just a fucking, he's never, never mad.

[2155] People home listening to this in the podcast going, what is this guy talking about?

[2156] Who the fuck is the team?

[2157] This guy named Nick, good dude.

[2158] We talk like we're talking about fucking, you know, Brad Pitt or something.

[2159] Exactly.

[2160] Everybody should know the tooth.

[2161] Well, we got to wrap this thing up because at three hours in, we turn into a pumpkin.

[2162] But we finally did it.

[2163] We finally had a podcast.

[2164] This was three hours?

[2165] Yeah.

[2166] yeah wow how long was i here two two plus two 15 i think yeah see i'll buy quick that that's my skill dana white i like it my skill is i can get people to talk for long periods of time be comfortable you are a talented motherfucker joe rogan i admit i'm not talented but i'm good at the things that i'm good at talking i figured out yeah talking talking good at talking shit i'm a professional shit talker because all this all this shit talking too and between this and comedy that's what makes doing commentary so easy So before we wrap Did you hit all the things That the fans wanted to hear What else?

[2167] What else do they want to know What's the fuck what they want?

[2168] These crazy assholes They want to know Dana, why you're so cruel to the fans Why are you lying to the fans Cruel to the fans and lie to them What did I lie about?

[2169] Some guy actually said that That was one of the things That a guy tweeted He this is What did I lie about?

[2170] Exactly He's fucking selling bitches Liar I'm probably the most fucking honest guy That could You know Yeah Here's a question Listen, I can't tell you guys everything all the fucking time.

[2171] I know you love to, like, talk shit to people on Twitter.

[2172] So find this guy's name is Sonny Sejizi.

[2173] You could find, I retweeted it.

[2174] It says, Ask Dana how often he lies on purpose to the media and the fans.

[2175] That was his tweet.

[2176] All the things you could possibly ask you.

[2177] So, of course, me being an idiot, that's the one guy I respond to.

[2178] All these other people, they asked me some legitimate questions about the future of MMA, and I ignore it and say to this guy, It sounds like someone needs a hug.

[2179] You know, it's funny, too.

[2180] The one thing about Twitter that you'll always notice, you get the guy that starts talking fucking shit, right?

[2181] And he's saying all this crazy shit.

[2182] You're like, you know, I'm going to find out more about this guy.

[2183] Let me click on his fucking, you know, it's the guy who's got his fucking shirt off flexing, right?

[2184] He's got two fucking followers.

[2185] And, you know, he's telling you what a fucking douchebag you are.

[2186] Yeah, right?

[2187] So then you get this guy of this guy today fucking glasses, the whole thing.

[2188] It looks like, you know.

[2189] And he's talking shit to me In his bio it says Yeah, I'm the guy The girls like to bring home to their parents And you know, I'm faithful And I'm cute And I'm Christian Are you fucking seriously talking shit to me When that's When you wrote down in your fucking bio Dude I'm gonna smash you You fucking goof Nastyest gay shit Written to me by Christians By supposed You know Christians Like you look down the thing You know God love and Christian God bless America God bless the USA And may that you fucking queer homo won't you go suck carlos con it's dick once you go out there and suck some dick you ball rider aren't you for jesus make up your mind you fucking psycho a couple years ago i asked you joe i saw a cyborg fight or something like that and i was like would ufc ever get females in it and you were like dana what's never let that happen for one time what made it change because i i'm i mean i think it's the greatest idea ever ronda rousey Ronald Rousey, yeah.

[2190] When I met her, I saw some of her fights, then I met her, and then we sat down and talked one day.

[2191] I was like, Jesus Christ.

[2192] She's a marketing goldmine.

[2193] And she's fucking legit.

[2194] She's fucking legit.

[2195] She's hot as fuck, and she's angry.

[2196] She's angry, man. Look at it.

[2197] She's hot and angry.

[2198] It's going to be great.

[2199] She really is angry.

[2200] People, when you meet her and you really fucking hang out with her, this girl is a fucking, she's.

[2201] And look at that card.

[2202] She's a finisher.

[2203] Look at that card.

[2204] Leota Machita versus Dan Henderson.

[2205] great fucking fight dan henderson the only guy to ever hold two weight classes consecutively the 183 and the 205 pound title at the same fucking time in pride taking on leoto machita former light heavyweight champion one of the top two or three light heavyweights on the planet earth without a doubt and then you got josh neer versus court mcgee so court mcgee is going on 170 is that what that is that one is uh is that one on the main car yeah that's the main car right there.

[2206] Court McGee's a great fucking fight.

[2207] Well, that one's not.

[2208] The FX one is the main event for the prelims.

[2209] The Corr -Megie fight is?

[2210] Oh, LeVar Johnson.

[2211] Yeah, F -X.

[2212] So, Cort -Megu's dropped down to 170.

[2213] Is that what that is?

[2214] Must be.

[2215] I mean, Josh Neer is he going up to 185, right?

[2216] Right.

[2217] Right?

[2218] Right.

[2219] Is that right?

[2220] Am I right?

[2221] Am I right?

[2222] Am I right?

[2223] My pick's near.

[2224] He's a big fucking kid to get down to 170.

[2225] He's huge.

[2226] You know, and huge.

[2227] His endurance is staggering.

[2228] That guy's got incredible endurance.

[2229] You know, he runs like five -minute miles with a fucking weight vest on.

[2230] That kid's an animal.

[2231] That's a fun fight.

[2232] It's a great fight.

[2233] And then so is Josh Kosteck versus Robbie Lawler.

[2234] I love that fight.

[2235] I'm so excited for that fight.

[2236] That fight's going to be fucking crazy.

[2237] What else is on this card?

[2238] Oh, we got to go.

[2239] We got to wrap this thing.

[2240] Menjavar and Faber.

[2241] Oh, Menjavar and Faber.

[2242] That's flying in under the radar.

[2243] Yep.

[2244] That's a great fucking fight.

[2245] Mengevar and Fador.

[2246] Fador.

[2247] Mijvar and Fade.

[2248] B -Mile.

[2249] Ivan Mengevar fought GSP, the first fight of his fucking career.

[2250] he weighs 135 pounds okay I mean he would fight favor he would fight Fedor if you hooked up Ivan Menjavar and Fedor he would fight him that's a this is a great card man I'm fucking pumped and that's this weekend 7 p .m. Eastern 10 p .m. In Anaheim if you're in L .A., are there any tickets available?

[2251] Yeah, yeah there's still tickets and the great part is it's all the cheap seats man there's like a few hundred cheap tickets it's the cheapest tier usually when you don't sell it It's usually that middle tier that doesn't sell.

[2252] These are the cheapest tickets.

[2253] So this thing's going to be a sell -up.

[2254] Well, it's a great card, too.

[2255] On top of that, there's the FX fights as Brendan Schaub versus Lovar Johnson.

[2256] That's a crazy fucking heavyweight fight.

[2257] That's going to be a great fight.

[2258] I can't wait to see that.

[2259] Holy shit.

[2260] And that's the, so the prelims, they started on Facebook, then they're on FX.

[2261] And then, of course, the main card is on pay -per -view.

[2262] Robbie Lawler versus Josh Kostek, a crazy fucking.

[2263] fight court mcgee versus josh neer that's a great josh neer is one of my favorite guys i like watching that kid fight he's never in a boring he's awesome he's gritty as fuck i agree he's a savage menjavar and favor is going to be fantastic then of course henderson and machita is a fucking amazing fight i can't wait to see that fight and i can't wait to see ronda rousy and carmush liz carmush is a badass bitch too she's a tough kid she really is they're both tough that's going to be fantastic she comes forward man she throws crazy unorthodox shit spinning elbow flying knees, and her ground and pound is nasty.

[2264] And she knows it's a huge opportunity.

[2265] She's going to go for broke.

[2266] She is.

[2267] It's going to be chaos.

[2268] Dana White, I'm glad we're friends.

[2269] Me too, brother.

[2270] I love you.

[2271] I love you do.

[2272] All right, folks.

[2273] That's it.

[2274] The show's over.

[2275] Go fuck yourself.

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[2280] This weekend, this Friday night, I'm at the...

[2281] Where am I am?

[2282] What is it called, though?

[2283] The Grove, the Grove in Anaheim with Joey Diaz.

[2284] That's tomorrow night.

[2285] There's a few tickets available.

[2286] There's less than 100 as of today.

[2287] And Brian, when is that big show in San Diego?

[2288] March 14th.

[2289] Go to American ComedyCo .com.

[2290] It's in San Diego.

[2291] It's going to be a Desquatch Show.

[2292] All right, my friends.

[2293] So that's it for this week.

[2294] Next week, we got some great shit coming up next week.

[2295] We got Dan Carlin is coming on next week.

[2296] Oh, is that next week?

[2297] Wait a matter.

[2298] Where are we?

[2299] What is it?

[2300] Where are we?

[2301] Yeah, Dan Carlin Yeah, he's on Monday And then we got Duncan on Tuesday Eddie, Eddie Hong on Wednesday Is Eddie Hong?

[2302] He's a guy from Vice Magazine Oh, sweet Cool fucking dude I'm really excited to have him on And then next weekend we're in Columbus Woohoo Cincinnati on Friday night Columbus on Saturday night Tickets are still available for both shows All right you freaks We love the shit out of you And we'll see you soon Thank you Bye.