#532 - Shooter Jennings

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[4] Shooter Jennings.

[5] First of all, thanks for doing this, man. I really appreciate it.

[6] It's cool as fuck.

[7] It's cool as fuck having you in here.

[8] I love hearing about a guy online listening to the music and go, oh, shit, I got a new guy I'm into.

[9] So I've been tweeting about your shit over the last couple of months.

[10] I'm a huge fan.

[11] I love all the, do you say hero fan?

[12] Is that what you call?

[13] Yeah.

[14] Hereofant.

[15] I love that stuff.

[16] I love, uh, I love that, uh, Southern Comfort song.

[17] It's one of my favorites.

[18] Man, I was, you were in the airport or something tweeting about that.

[19] That's, see, I grew up, the house I grew up and was named Southern Comfort.

[20] Real quick, while we're on the audible thing, by the way, I just want to say, I'm a huge audiobook fan.

[21] I will tell you a, a hilariously awesome and creepy experience is, I highly recommend.

[22] If anyone has like an hour and they're, they're your buddy's thing.

[23] and they have listened to that book, get Dianetics, the audit, the audio, I'm serious, it's so creepy.

[24] It's like being a fucking Philip K. Dick movie.

[25] It's like being in Total Recall or something.

[26] Really?

[27] Oh, man, the way the guy who reads it, the whole thing, like the whole package is so cool, you're like, oh, you know, the read the book commercials like my whole life, I'd always heard that shit and I was like, I'm going to get the audio book of Dianetics.

[28] I bet that shit's whack and highly recommend it.

[29] Just for wackiness?

[30] For wackiness?

[31] But by the end of it, You're like, hmm, you know, that's what's fucked up about it.

[32] It's like the concept of what, because I guess Dianetics, like, I'm kind of obsessed of Scientology because it's so fucking retarded in one way in one sense to me, but in the other sense, like, because it's so serious and all the craziness you hear about.

[33] So I've, like, read, I've, like, really looked into it, El Ron Hubbard.

[34] And you know about Excalibur?

[35] Do you know about that?

[36] What is X caliber?

[37] Okay.

[38] He read a book called Xcalibur.

[39] Supposedly.

[40] The big rumor is that this book, there was like the foreshadowing for Scientology, and that, like, he tried to get it published and, like, three or four people that read it committed suicide.

[41] So he, like, locked it in a vault.

[42] And there's, like, one copy of it.

[43] And no one ever knows where that is.

[44] But that was, like, where Scientology was born from.

[45] So, like, I'm so fascinated by it.

[46] So, like, Dianetics was his new book, like, that he wrote.

[47] He's like, wait, I've got it figured out.

[48] Like, it's more like this.

[49] and kind of like so Dionyx was kind of like the way of introducing what was in the Excalibur book to like the mass population it's pretty fascinating that sounds like one of those in the mouth of madness type things like the John Carpenter book where people the movie were the guy wrote a book and a bunch of people were killing themselves and going crazy and murdering people Sam Neal Sam Neal was in it right yeah yeah that was exactly that's what the whole rumor about it is and if you've seen the master with Philip Seymour Hoffman when he played like the El Ron Hubbard guy He had a book in that It was called like The Sword or something Instead of X caliber But like Yeah supposedly he like showed to a bunch of people And they like went crazy And apparently what the book is about And I don't mean to like derail our entire conversation In this direction But don't worry There's no derail in just a conversation This is the kind of shit I like to talk about You know what I'm saying like to say Me too man Yeah supposedly there's What the whole concept was was about the mob mentality and breaking that apart so like that that no matter what everyone is is really always alone no matter if they're in a group but when they're in a group they act a certain way that's different so there's like there's there's supposedly there's a guy being hung there's a scene in it where there's a guy being hung and then there's the mob that wants him hung and it goes and like analyzes like the people in the mob and they analyzes the executioner analyzes the guy who's getting hung like I don't know you know I'm very fascinated with that that kind of like psychology and it's what that's why the whole you know uh scientology thing to me is so fascinating because i'm like how do these people they pay money to join this fucking club that's like you know real it's real like a and all that stuff in the sense that it's like you know your new friends and your old friends and they have like they assign people to you and then eventually you kind of weed out all those other people but the whole concept of it is is taking the whole concept of dionetics is taking like when you're a little kid and a dog bites you and then for the rest of your life you're scared of dogs like the whole concept behind dionetics is that they can take the memory what they call a reactive memory which is like the dog thing and they can turn it into a like a regular memory so that you won't like get rid of all of those kind of little things that fucked you up through life that's what the concept of clear is and so that so that when you those things become you're not reactive anymore so if like you you hate your dad and then for that reason you like react certain way to people your whole life like you can you can get that out of there so you'll never like act uncalm you know what I mean yeah but then you have to pay them a lot of money to have an auditor to go through your life and figure all that shit out for you that's where they make all their cash well they give you give them a certain percentage of your income right it's just like tithing like tithing in a regular church I think you give them 10 % especially at the highest levels really yeah I didn't even know that that that yeah tithing is a big one that's a big one with religions that's the way they get well i knew that i knew that with the other ones but i didn't know that there was a there was like a tithing process i didn't i know that they do a lot of things like i used to rehearse i've been here i've been living here 15 years and my old band we used to rehearse on hollywood vine in this place and there was a daycare next door and someone told us later hollywood and vine yeah right yeah that's crazy right it was like do you remember well you know it's right across street from the El Rhone Hubbard exhibit and all it like on I -Barr, like on that side of it.

[50] And somebody's like, yeah, that's a Scientology daycare.

[51] They're like real hush -hush about it, but it's Scientology.

[52] So like, you know, like there's a lot of that shit going down.

[53] I'm probably going to get murdered tonight.

[54] No, you'll be fine.

[55] Scientology has become such a joke I know, I know.

[56] The last few years.

[57] If this was 20 years ago, you'd have an issue, but the internet has sort of exposed them in a way that's made them seem so preposterous.

[58] Like, seriously preposterous.

[59] It's fine.

[60] Well, they have that big psychiatry kills thing, too, that big exhibit.

[61] Is that on Sunset, too, or is it where the fuck is that?

[62] Hey, is that what that is?

[63] Yeah, that's exactly what that is.

[64] It's, it's on, is it on Sunset or Hollywood?

[65] I think it's on Hollywood.

[66] I think it's a Mac store that I buy hard drives and I saw that across the street.

[67] I didn't know that was a, I didn't know it was a, I got to go in there and check that out.

[68] Yeah.

[69] Because they don't believe in that and they don't believe in a lot of medicines.

[70] But in certain ways, like, I can sign, I kind of see their point in, certain ways like i mean i've been i've talked to psychologists before my life i mean i went to one for like relationship counseling and and of course like it becomes like they want to talk about you and i'm like i'm the kind of guy who's like i don't like whatever problems and issues i've had in my life i work through them like i've never needed i've never seen the need to really kind of i don't know i'm like an angry guy there's that i'm that i'm angry at from when i was little i've kind of dealt with all that you know what i mean so sometimes when i see scientific like tom Cruz being like screw all that stuff i'm like yeah tom cruz is like that's cool even though you're weird you know but you invited him to your show yesterday to mever records i know i did i saw that online it's like you you too come on down come on down tom cruise i want to talk to you about your fucking magic yeah i was like joe rogan and i was real serious about the other three you and bill ray cyrus and maryland manson it's like come on down like but tom cruise that would be odd if he showed up it would have been awesome and he to talk to you.

[71] Stop being so glib.

[72] Have you seen the guy on, and I'm supposed not like this guy because he did, he did diss my best friend and manager, which is not cool.

[73] But besides that, previous to that, before it got sticky, there's a guy on Twitter named Not Tom Cruise.

[74] Do you know this guy?

[75] Dude, he's hilarious.

[76] He just talks about how he's like blowing rails with Britney Spears all day long and driving down.

[77] He's just talking about being uncoked out of his face and like how he's like Scientology rules and he's like looking for bitches and like hanging out with, you know, Travolta and doing rails and shit he's he keeps graduating he's like i think that there's stance against psychiatry it's it's they've got some good points but there's it's like all things this probably it's not a complete black and white issue it's not like psychiatric drugs are all bad or that antidepressants are all bad because i personally know people that were like close to suicide yes oh yeah i agree i agree with that too i think that that stuff is good it can be good.

[78] It can also be a crutch, you know, in that way.

[79] And I think a lot of times, man, here's the, here's a thing.

[80] I have, like, one of my dearest friends guy who worked for me, I'm not trying to be a downer with this, but his brother, this guy, Farron Miller, who actually co -wrote one of the songs on this George record.

[81] And, dude, I walked out of my house without my vinals.

[82] I have a stack of vials for you.

[83] So this means we have to hang out.

[84] Oh, we'll hang out, man. I'd be happy to.

[85] But Farron Miller co -wrote living in a minor key, which is on the George record.

[86] And Farron worked for me for nine years, still does.

[87] But he's in a band now and he's doing awesome.

[88] His brother was on those medicines and stopped, hard, like cold turkey, killed himself.

[89] Woo.

[90] Because it went just crazy.

[91] You know what I mean?

[92] So, like, you have to, like, you have to really, really be responsible with the psych, like, those kind of drugs that change your mental, you know?

[93] And sometimes, like you said, sometimes it does wonders for people and it changes their life.

[94] And then sometimes it can be really damaging.

[95] So, you know, you have to be careful.

[96] But at the same time, Scientology, they're like, no. no drug stance like i don't know yeah i don't think that's responsible either i think there's a reason why they've come up with a lot of these drugs and some people have benefited tremendously there's people that just have natural chemical imbalances in their brain yeah and the idea that someone who doesn't know how your brain works can say you know oh you don't need it because i don't need it or you don't need it because mike doesn't need it tom cruise doesn't need it so you know john fuck over here he doesn't need it either that's crazy some people benefit from them tremendously and sometimes they can use you can use those things as a bridge like you got really tough times in your life you can use these psychiatric drugs as a bridge and then get to a healthy place and then wean yourself off like get your life in order i've read stuff about people doing that too i don't necessarily think they're all bad but i think that i agree i don't think there's a lot of people that don't take care of themselves and then just they get depressed and just take a pill and then now they're better well i'm maybe not maybe you would have been better off if you start eating better and maybe stop drinking as much and doing a little bit of exercise every now and then and probably you'd feel better.

[97] Yeah.

[98] It would help, you know.

[99] And also the Scientology thing, like when you see a guy like Tom Cruise who is undeniably wacky, but also undeniably successful, the guy is always positive.

[100] Like he does these interviews, he's got a lot of great energy.

[101] It's like, man, there's a benefit to that.

[102] There's definitely something to that.

[103] I know.

[104] There's definitely something to that.

[105] And especially when you get a guy who's in that much, I mean, that much power and has that, has had that much success, you know, and has that much influence.

[106] Like, I mean, you know, either they're, like, I know that they treat him like, like he's the, like, you know, El Ron Hubbard Jr. or something.

[107] So I'm sure he, he's loving that side of it.

[108] But the reality is, like, he, for him to have stuck by it, I mean, there's got to be somebody to.

[109] I mean, like I said, if you, the audio book of Dianetics, as funny as that is, it is, it is, it is, is so fascinating because it explains why he's always in a fucking good mood all the time he's like he's like I'm really good at this clear thing you know he's like he's really figured it out and he's like really happy all the time and nothing you know who knows he might be or you know he might just shut the door when the day is done and fucking whale and scream and fucking fish all over the ground flopping around like a fucking animal I mean no guys like that right i have a couple friends where i'm like somebody's getting beat somewhere on this guy because they're so nice you know somewhere he's going on fucking punching somebody's lights out well there's people that you can tell they're holding back yeah you can tell yeah okay all right fine you know and you tell as soon as this guy gets away he's gonna fucking do something crazy there's some people that are actually calm and there's some people you can tell they're keeping it together but there's a monster inside and just raging at the cage just trying to fucking get out yeah that's uncomfortable when you like you know if you tried to explain to someone you're like well listen everything he said was good he uh he used all the right words he was very but i knew this motherfucker was hating it inside and they'd be like oh that's just your perception sir i mean you can't prove that no you can't but everybody knows that one dude that's like that yeah of course man it's like yeah it's so funny it's true though my next door neighbor my old house was a Scientologist.

[110] He's a nice guy.

[111] Super nice guy.

[112] Why be a Scientologist when you're just some guy?

[113] Like, that's what I want to know, because they worship actors and they worship that.

[114] So why?

[115] I think they worship the actors and they worship artists because that influences others to become Scientologist.

[116] I think that's the strategy.

[117] Yes, right.

[118] I mean, yeah, and they, you know, they kind of deify, like, like, anyone who does any kind of art as kind of a superior being.

[119] Well, in a way.

[120] look, listen, okay, I'm a Shooter Jennings fan.

[121] If I found out that Shooter Jennings is really into Scientology, I go, oh, well, that guy's cool, man, the fuck is up with this.

[122] And then you start reading into it.

[123] And you go, oh, I see, so it keeps him positive.

[124] And that keeps it putting out badass music.

[125] Oh, okay.

[126] Okay, maybe I'll fucking try this.

[127] And that's all you need.

[128] Like, Scientology, man. Look, Tom Cruise is a bad motherfucker, okay?

[129] Tom Cruise doesn't take any drugs.

[130] Tom Cruise drinks water every day.

[131] Tom Cruise runs marathons.

[132] Tom Cruise is a fucking beast.

[133] I want to be like Tom Cruise And next thing you know You're fucking holding on to these Campbell soup cans that are attached with little wires And they're honoring you Yes Have you ever done that?

[134] No, I did it Yeah, I did it Really?

[135] Yeah, yeah, yeah Well, I'll do it with you I would love to do it I'll do it in a heartbeat I don't know if they would take me in now I mean you have to have someone Who doesn't know who you are And right, I definitely found a dude Who the guy was in his late 50s Did you just walk in?

[136] I was on in San Diego I was down there filming for this TV show that I was doing on CBS called Game Show in my head where we put these little earpieces in someone so I could talk to them and then I gave them like tasks that they had to go do like they had to sell water to people that came out of a hose like they did to do a bunch of like wacky shit that had to convince people to tell they had to play a fake news reporter and convince people to tell them they had been abducted by aliens and all this different wacky shit but while we were there we were filming they had this dionetic setup because it was in this outside public place or a lot of foot traffic was so they had the dionetics set up and they had their e -meteer or whatever the thing they called it is that what they call it and it's it's like two cans it looks like two like things that you look like a campbell soup can that you took the wrapper off and it's connected with these strings and literally yeah it's a campal soup can with the yarn yeah just hold on to this and so i did it and the guy wasn't very compelling he wasn't that good at it but uh i i got to ask them all sorts of questions and read into it and they gave me some brochures or something like that tried to get me to go down there what what what when he did the auditing though I mean how far do they they don't really I'm sure because they're trying to commit someone to come back that they're not going to start delving into like real personal shit but I'm sure like like what do you do what kind of questions I don't remember because it was very unremarkable I remember I was baked which is part of the problem which is why I was willing to do it in the first place because otherwise I would have probably just hovered and watch other people do it But actually, you know, it was dumb questions, like dumb questions about your childhood.

[137] Are you happy with your career?

[138] You know, you're happy in your relationship.

[139] And, you know, and they just get a reading on you, allegedly from this non -scientific, you know, measuring instrument.

[140] It's just so wacky.

[141] That's so wacky.

[142] So I see we could spend the whole thing talking about this because it's so, it's one of those things where like there's a bunch of people in on a joke.

[143] You know, and you're like just wanting someone to say, okay, we're just fucking with you.

[144] It's fine.

[145] that no one does, you know what I mean?

[146] Well, those belief systems, the thing about having those belief systems is that they're very empowering for people who believe in them.

[147] Like, if you look at it and go, wait a minute, wait a minute, fucking planet Zeno, really?

[148] Yeah, that shit's insane.

[149] Like, I'm reading about this, after you brought up X caliber while you're talking about it, and I pulled up that website that mock ScientologyZenu .net.

[150] Oh, I've never been there, but this is not going to be my favorite site, probably.

[151] They have everything.

[152] They have the entire, Scientology, like, like, everything about what they believe.

[153] All of the operating thing's manual.

[154] I grabbed that off WikiLeaks and was, like, looking at that, is the operating Thetton's manual, like, level three, which is apparently where, I guess, Tom Cruise is like four, five, or six or something, but he was three a couple years, like, they have different manuals, you know, so.

[155] He was three a couple years ago, and now he's four, five, or six.

[156] I don't know where he's at.

[157] I haven't been keeping up with his level, what rank he's at, but I know he's ranked up because they've, like, they've, like, they've, like, he's, given him they made up some new award for him and did you ever see that video that leaked yeah he's like using all this stuff that was like they made up this they made up this thing they'd never had before it was like guardian of the galaxy award you know and they like gave it to him and he was like he's like saying all that shit that made no sense and using all their words and stuff yeah leaked to the internet and people put music to it and shit gorgeous yeah it's so good it's a work of art it is it is man i mean almost it is almost like like something that you would you'd see from some artist who's doing some like fucking piece you know where he's man that'd be so brilliant if like he just all of a sudden flipped and told everybody yeah i've been just listen it helps my acting if i can pretend to really be into scientology but this long it's like the dumb and dumber mood the new one coming out have you seen the preview before no no i have oh my god it's genius but there's like a there's like a whole thing where jim character character carrie's character is like in a insane asylum over this over that chick the mary sampsonite as they called him from the first one.

[158] And then it turns out he was like joking like for like 20 years.

[159] And yet Lloyd, he's like, Lloyd, you're mean to tell me that you've been you've been faking for 20 years all for a gag?

[160] And he's like, yep.

[161] It'd be amazing if he did that.

[162] That's the only way a good politician would work.

[163] The only way that you could have a president in this country that was actually going to care about the people is they'd have to lie their way from the beginning to the moment they get in the office and they didn't have to flip.

[164] And then you would have to also have a. cabinet that was in on the lie like you have to have everybody with you that was working with you like okay we're just fucking around we're going to get in there and we're going to change everything you'd never be able to get it you'd never be able to trust another person yeah i think the system is so far rigged though that it doesn't matter it's oh yeah yeah obviously because it's the same people are like just running it i mean it's it's like you know it's like whoever's who you know when they had when windows 95 had the fucking start me up and the rolling stones and now like whatever their commercials are like now it's the same fucking company it just looks different everything you know right yeah i think it's silly when people are like i think voting is silly this is this is my whole thing with that because it's like what is the fucking difference like first of all there's people who are like so i mean i i may be going against a lot of people's opinions of this but but like people who are so gung -ho on these certain politicians and lobbying for this person and they're like so excited that obama is going to like fucking change everything and it's such i mean yeah it's awesome than like our first black president that's awesome but otherwise like it's the same fucking game same shit over and over so i look at people who are like really gung -ho about one guy i'm like are you fucking crazy like yeah are you who you're buying this i mean i nobody's bought anything for so i mean like you know like bill clinton goes on you know arsonio hall like that change like did you watch that 90s thing that that has been on national geographic recently there's a there's a series called the 90s and it's like six hours the whole thing and I sat and watched it one day and it's awesome but it really reminds you how much shit you weren't paying attention to in the 90s and how rigged it all was like everything like Osama bin Laden was on like they did an interview with him in like 98 or 96 when was OJ?

[165] 94 yeah it was right around there I don't remember if it was OJ I don't remember if it was OJ or Monica But one of those things was going on at the moment and 400 ,000 people watched this interview with Osama bin Laden.

[166] He's like, he says on the interview, he's like, we're going to fuck you and you're going to watch it on TV and you're going to be crying when it happens.

[167] And like 400 people watched it and nobody cared.

[168] And like at the exact moment they were airing it is when like Monica Lewinsky or OJ was like in the prime and everyone's like looking over here while like this guy over here.

[169] And Osama is just as fucking bullshitty as fucking the presidents and everything.

[170] like yeah right like osama did not fly that plane i mean there's some people that did that shit and there are people involved and we will never know the truth about any of it so i mean no matter how how hard we dig you know what i mean so it's like to me it all seems so silly when people get so riled up like they they believe they have to believe so it's like satanism you have to believe in god to be a satanist that seems so stupid to me like you have to be christian if you want to be in this church of satan you have to be a christian first because then you have to believe that whole thing to believe that there is a to join the church of Satan.

[171] That's so silly.

[172] Is that true?

[173] Yeah.

[174] Well, I mean...

[175] I thought that Satanism, like, really in its finest form was really just about hedonism.

[176] Well, that's true.

[177] But like...

[178] Experiencing pleasure as much as possible.

[179] But the concept of like, of, see, I mean, there's like the Crowley, the Crowley church, and there's like the kind of, like the LeVay church, which is what you're kind of talking about, which is just essentially like, like, do anything in hedonism.

[180] Right.

[181] Essentially, yes.

[182] But, but like the writings and the teachings and the teachings.

[183] and the things where they reference Satan as, you know, and all those kind of like rituals and shit are silly because it's like you've got to be in the frame of reference of Christianity and the Bible and all that.

[184] You know what I mean?

[185] Yeah.

[186] It was really scary.

[187] It'd be something you've never heard of and some creature you've never heard of and you're like, be terrified.

[188] You know, it's not the same bad guy from the Bible.

[189] We're just going to make it into a thing, you know.

[190] That's why it all seems so silly.

[191] Yeah.

[192] You got to believe in magic and fairy tales and shit to make it all happen.

[193] Well, you kind of do have to believe in magic and fairy tales believe a guy like Obama is going to fix the country.

[194] Yes, that's what I'm saying.

[195] The system is so beyond rigged, and it's so transparently rigged.

[196] Yes, you have to end, to fix the system, you have to end banking, you have to end the Federal Reserve, you have to get the corporations out of control of the media and everything.

[197] I mean, and representative government.

[198] You'd have to end the influence of representative government by special interest groups and lobbyists.

[199] Yes.

[200] You'd have to completely revamp.

[201] Everything.

[202] It's a system that's just completely broken.

[203] There's nothing working about it.

[204] There's so many, like, fucked up pieces of it that as it trickles down from the top to the bottom, it's just, you know how like when water, like water goes through, when you see springs, like natural springs that come out, that water's going through all this rock and all this ground, and in doing so, it filters everything out.

[205] So the water comes out really pure and delicious to drink.

[206] But it could start out, you know, really fucked up.

[207] And then it all gets, well, the opposite is true with politics.

[208] Like, you could have a great idea, and you could have someone who, yeah, you'd have someone who has great intentions, but by the time they get through the filter of corporations and special interest groups and lobbyists and this and that and it comes out empty.

[209] Yes.

[210] Like there's nothing left.

[211] It's always going to do that because there's always, they want it to be that way, you know.

[212] That, to me, like you said, it's, it's so fucked up and it really is, it's really, because of that that nine you know the 99 percenters one percenters thing it's i mean because you just have these you just the corporations have too much control and they they're like the net neutrality thing they're trying to to cut that out and that's like they're trying they're literally giving all the power to like these you know viacom and shit like not only that viacom is a the anytime you look at a corporation as an individual which is what they keep trying to do they're doing that as far as their ability to donate to political campaigns they're doing it as far as like their responsibilities like they're they look at they're trying to look at corporations as if these entities should be given rights like an individual given rights like a human being but that's that's crazy because in doing so you what you're also doing when you have a corporation is you dissolve the responsibility of each individual for the actions of the group right if you're going to give corporations the responsibilities, or if you're going to give corporations the rights of an individual, you should also be able to charge every individual in the corporation as if they were guilty for anything that the corporation is in trouble for.

[213] And if you did that, then it would change the actions entirely of the corporation.

[214] Because right now, like say if you, you're part of a corporation, this corporation likes to go to Guatemala and build cell phones.

[215] And in the meantime, you fucking shoot rabbits and fucking poison the wells.

[216] and, you know, who knows what kind of horrible anti -human shit they're doing in these third world countries and pollution and genocide and there's a group of people that doesn't want them to clear cut so they fucking gun these people down and then you find out about it all later and everyone involved in the corporation should be responsible for it.

[217] And that's the only way you would ever stop any of that shit from going on.

[218] If you if you looked at BP, perfect example, the oil spill in the Gulf, which.

[219] Just fucked up so many people's lives.

[220] I mean, there's so many people that don't have a voice.

[221] You're not hearing from the fishermen.

[222] You're not hearing from the people that had to clean that shit up.

[223] You're not healing from the people that lived in the towns.

[224] It's close to the water.

[225] They got really sick because of the dispersants.

[226] There's so many individuals.

[227] If everyone in BP was prosecuted as fully responsible for the actions of BP, I mean, man, shit could get crazy.

[228] Yeah.

[229] Like literally every single executive, every single war, everybody that's a part of a corporation that shit you think of raises you know subsidized that's what's even crazier oil is subsidized you know the the amount of fuckery that's involved when you get heavy -duty money involved in in corporations and then those corporations have influence on politics and they have influence on the way laws are formed and structured the way our society functions it's just it's madness it's madness and i don't know what the solution is but until you um until you um until you figure out a way to not have these big groups of people that have this diffusion of responsibility because if you're you know shooter Jennings is a part of BP and BP does something fucked up and you're like man that's fucked up I can't believe my company did that but oh well I got a raise I didn't do anything you can sleep tight knowing that you didn't do anything personally but you're a part of a machine that did something really if I was held accountable for that I'd be so pissed I'd be like you know like it'd be beyond that i mean exactly that's that's fascinating that's fascinating point i mean right the all these companies the courts are in the favor of the corporations and usually and it's like the like i can't believe what is what three companies own 80 % of them of all television or something something ridiculous like that yeah and in the 80s it was like 60 companies and now it's three yeah and it's like just and you just look at the way that the world is the way that we react to the media the way we react to this shit like the you know I don't know it's it's amazing it feels it did feel like when we were younger that like with things like the BP oil spill happen and stuff like I think if that happened now that we wouldn't hear about it what do you mean if maybe oil oil spill just happened that wasn't how long ago BP was just a couple years ago that was like 10 years ago no yeah it was four years ago yeah fuck never mine the big one was the Exxon Valdez that happened in 1988, right?

[230] That was a big one.

[231] That was a big one.

[232] Which is, by the way, that area is still fucked.

[233] Of course it is.

[234] 1980, and they killed off a massive amount of salmon and the fisheries.

[235] Godzilla's about to come out of there, man. He's been vestry.

[236] Yeah, but then there's people like you and I that drive cars and, you know, need gas and, you know, you buy an iPhone and how's it going to fucking get to the Apple store?

[237] Someone's got to put that bitch in a truck and it's got to drive it over there.

[238] There's no other way.

[239] you know the whole system is just it's been set up without a whole lot of foresight like they you know it was set up to deal with what's available right now and no one sort of saw the future of how things are going to get ugly and where where it could become problems and how fast how much carbon can get into the air until it starts fucking with the weather and you know it's just so much and then there's so much momentum also once like the thing about like politics and the thing about the influence of corporations and special interest groups is that it's sort of been this way for so long that to come in now and try it's almost like there's a train running through your neighborhood and it's just train like we got to stop this train do you grab it like how do you hold on to it what we need to do is put some stuff on the track well it's just going to run over that stuff well how fuck do you stop the train well you got to grab the back and put a lot of weight on it is that going to work no well that all the things that we're doing to try to reform politics, like, from an individual point of view, whether it's complaining about it online or writing blogs or doing this.

[240] It's akin to trying to grab a hold of the back of the train and dig your heels.

[241] Absolutely, yeah.

[242] I mean, yes, I agree.

[243] The only way to deal with is move.

[244] To where, though?

[245] Iceland or somewhere?

[246] I don't know.

[247] I don't mean, like, move in USA, I mean, in a metaphor, I mean, kind of like, don't you feel like, I mean, I feel like the only out of the people that I've kind of raised, and research that are kind of like this anti -establishment shit.

[248] It seems to be that if they tell you, you know, you've got to, you've got to do this now.

[249] You've got to wear a blue shirt every day.

[250] The only way, the only way to fight any of it is just by not doing it.

[251] You know what I mean?

[252] Like, just whatever.

[253] But at this point, in time, they've convinced this entire country and they've convinced the entire world that this is how things work and you have to go along with it.

[254] Like jobs.

[255] And, you know, they like the fact.

[256] They keep, they like the fact.

[257] everyone is freaking out about money all the time.

[258] They squeeze the middle and lower class out of that, you know, so that they're freaked out all the time that both parents are having to work all the time.

[259] The kids are in shitty daycares where the education is terrible, and it's like they, that's how they keep that in control, you know what I mean?

[260] But most people just walk through life and accept that and just say that's the way it is.

[261] And, you know, it's very few people that actually stand up and try and figure something else out, But there's not really a solution, especially that someone like me could give anyone.

[262] But at the same time, like, I can sit back and look at it and comment on it.

[263] Because, like, with the Black Ribbons record, that was my, you know, my getting, like, it was right when the economy fell in 2009, the very beginning, 2009, and George Bush was missing, and Obama was looking real glorious at the time, but nobody was doing anything.

[264] about the collapse of the economy and then the bank bailouts were happening and it was just like man this is insane it was like the scariest little point of time you know and and that's kind of where that album came out of and and for me it was really my comment on the whole thing and by having Stephen King be the DJ and do all that shit like what his character was really what the record was about and it was kind of like keeping hope and you know small communities and family and you know those kind of like friendship and things like that that level is the only way that people like unions you know were started because it was like people were like I can't take this shit we can't take this shit anymore and they said like that connection that level that's where you can grab the train and you can end you know with enough people it's like that occupy thing man when I was I was in New York living at the time when the Occupy Wall Street thing happened and and my daughter was going to a school in the financial district so like when I dropped her off at school and I had me and my buddy would walk over to the to the occupied wall street just hang out in the middle of the whole thing you know and it got a bad rap and it had all these different things but those motherfuckers were standing up to the man and the man was like fucking shooting the beanbags at them and shit and you know it was really crazy like they're they had books and the cops were burning the books and shit it was it was like some scene out like nazi germany when we walked over there's pouring rain there were people in the trees like every 10 or 20 minutes like a whole bunch of cops with those fucking guard things run through the fucking place and knock some guy over those shields?

[265] Yeah the big shields yeah like riot shit like their cops are in the right but uh we're greatest scene I think someone filmed it and I was there for it sitting in the middle of that thing that encampment the Occupy Wall Street thing with my friend Lincoln and we turn around man and this fucking cop comes running with that fucking shield and just slips because it's raining and he just eats shit it falls down man and it's like three or four of these fucking hippies are like hey you okay man you know even though the rest of them are like fuck you big you know it's pretty funny man this motherfucker just bit eight shit running into that thing and everybody's just laughing about it that all that occupy stuff to me it signals that this possibility like it wasn't entirely successful it sort of awaken people to the idea of protesting you know that you could protest on a mass scale to get a lot of attention and that people are willing to get involved, because a lot of people did get involved.

[266] Yeah.

[267] But what it also said to me is, if things got real squarely, like, remember when we almost invaded Syria, you know, and then the response was so strong against it that you don't hear a peep about invading Syria.

[268] I mean, when Obama came on television and gave that speech, it was almost like invading Syria is inevitable.

[269] And everybody was like, fuck you, man. Fuck you.

[270] And then it stopped.

[271] It was silence in the news.

[272] You literally don't hear a peep out of the government talking about the inevitable invasion of Syria.

[273] It just doesn't exist anymore because the right and the left or his wife or something on television.

[274] Everybody's like, ooh, look over here.

[275] This thing's happening.

[276] You know, we forgot about it.

[277] The right and the left were against it.

[278] And if they had gone forward, I think that an action like that, and I think they're calculated in that response, that like when you have a million people like a Shah saying there was a, One of the dictators, I forget which one it was that was ousted.

[279] Because I forget which one it was.

[280] It was a long time ago, but it was because he had said that if there was more than three people that were together, that were protesting together as a group, they would be shot on site.

[281] I forget which dictator it was.

[282] And within two days, three million people were in front of his castle calling for his head.

[283] And it was like, oh, shit.

[284] like when you have a million people in the streets that are calling for your head the fucking the gig is up and the real the numbers when you deal with the the president and the secret service and then the government and the military the actual numbers of those people that you would need to protect against a mob of five million americans that have had enough and then come with rifles and guns and just storm the gates like everyone worries like people say, well, what do you do the, the Second Amendment?

[285] What do you need a gun for?

[286] What do you, why do you need a gun?

[287] You don't need a gun.

[288] Like, that was, that was written back when there was muskets.

[289] Let me tell you something.

[290] That's the dumbest thing ever.

[291] If the shit hits the fan, if the shit hits the fan like that, and all of a sudden, you've got three or four million people that are showing up on the White House lawn, and then they start storming in mass. And they literally call for the president's head and rip him apart on national television.

[292] That's not outside the realm of possibility, given a few terrible decisions, a natural disaster, a nuclear bomb goes off somewhere in Chicago, the fucking shit hits the fan, and then next thing you know, there's a million people with guns.

[293] Apple buys Jesus, you know.

[294] Anything can happen.

[295] Literally anything, and that's what I got out of Occupy Wall Street.

[296] I got out of like, this is, this kind of dissent, it's manifesting itself in this form right now where there's a bunch of people with.

[297] fucking drum circles and they're saying enough is enough that was it was too hippie that was the one issue was it was too it was too too like kumbaya yeah it was I mean even though it got rowdy there at the end it's like it wasn't enough you know what I mean there that's what happens when when liberals go like protest and then there's when the right wingers protest they have a whole different ritual but it's like I feel like when you look at all of that like you said it's it's the power of it man I mean the Edward Snowden shit we get into that you know you could get into the power of like how that's changed remember everyone was like ooh the cloud the cloud is so fucking cool that's going to do everything and then snowed comes out and they're like shit we don't want our shit on the cloud like i mean they start changing like rebranding the concept of the word of the cloud you know like you go to europe and it's still the cloud the cloud the cloud but here i think everyone started getting a little like well it doesn't matter if it's the cloud because they're going right into your goddamn email yeah they're going into your hard drive they're put they're hacking your hard drive you're put they're hacking your drive and they're going right in there pulling out all your data pulling all your credit card information putting out all your your contacts you know if you are a person that it's involved in some controversial activity everyone that you call everyone that you talk to they get monitored now yeah like if you if you start talking crazy shit about the government on this podcast and then you make a phone call right if the nsa decides to monitor you they're going to monitor your buddies they're going to monitor people you fucking play pool with they're going to monitor a guy you go drinking with, like everybody gets monitored, and you all become suspects.

[298] You all got, I got started getting monitored after I went on this show.

[299] Oh, before you even decided to go on the show.

[300] When I was tweeting about you, you probably started getting monitored.

[301] Probably immediately.

[302] You're probably already monitored before that.

[303] Probably.

[304] I wouldn't doubt that.

[305] It's ridiculous.

[306] I mean, it's like, look, we're not criminals.

[307] There's not, no one's, these, these aren't criminals.

[308] The idea that you're monitoring 99 % of the country or whatever the fuck the numbers are.

[309] It's insane.

[310] What, is everybody a criminal?

[311] And then they're, but they're monitoring.

[312] each other like the senate they they fucking the nsa was they were spying on the god damn senate man did you read the thing about the world warcraft with one of the documents you know that game the world of warcraft yeah it's like a it's like a online role playing game with like a million millions of players going around the world and they had they had NSA agents in there because they were saying that the terrorist groups were meeting in those games they would go in the game and they'd meet and they had to talk in there so they had to said that they had so many NSA agents in World of Warcraft that they had to assign other NSA agents to watch those NSA agents inside World Warcraft.

[313] I mean, can't you see these motherfuckers sitting there playing like, it's like a level 50 wizard, you know, he's like, yeah, man, we're going to bust some fucking terrorists today.

[314] Fuck yeah, and kill a dragon, you know.

[315] Meanwhile, they're busting other people who are pretending to be terrorists so that they can bust other terrorists.

[316] Man, I was like, yes, that's odd.

[317] What a great idea.

[318] go in an online game I wonder how many times there have been undercover sting operations where an undercover drug dealer was selling drugs to an undercover DEA agent posing as a guy to buy drugs That's a movie.

[319] Isn't it a movie?

[320] We should write that.

[321] It totally is a movie.

[322] Just write it into a movie.

[323] And they wind up killing each other and then everyone tries to cover it up and it becomes some crazy story.

[324] I mean it's kind of, it must have happened before.

[325] It has to have had happened.

[326] Kind of 21 Jump Street.

[327] Yeah.

[328] End of the movie with the cameo with the what's his name Johnny Depp did you see the new 21 Jump Street no no oh it's great is it yeah is it fun there's a great cameo of Johnny Depp though yeah just blew that for you then well I don't think it's a spoiler alert I think I'll be okay the undercover guy blowing it for the other undercover guy kind of thing it's just when these guys start spying on each other it's like does the CIA think that the Senate is a bunch of criminals is that's what's going on or do you just have carte blanche they just spy on people so you're like fuck it let's spy on guys let's spy on everybody i don't trust him fuck that guy let's spy on him let's let's find out where his dick pictures are hiding in his hard drive they said they passed those around the office yeah of course they did and they did it also they like spied the people that were in the office they spied on ex -girlfriends they would find ex -girlfriends see that's the smartest thing they probably did you know i mean man you can really i'm going and you know what after that girl i'm going to join the nsa i'm going to work my way all the way to the top just so i can fuck her for the rest of her life.

[329] It's just, when the CIA spies on the Senate, I really think that they should bring everybody involved and lock them up.

[330] Yeah.

[331] I'm just like, you guys, you, not only did you violate everything that you're supposed to be standing for, you guys are supposed to be looking out for us.

[332] The way you're looking out is by spying on the fucking Senate.

[333] Looking in, do you think that the Senate is bad?

[334] Do you think that they're involved in, are they terrorists?

[335] Are they the enemy?

[336] Are they working for the fucking Russians?

[337] what are you towing the fuck are you doing you're wasting money like you should go to jail just for wasting tax dollars just for fraud yeah for pretending that you're here resolving democracy or that you're here protecting and serving you should go to jail just for misrepresenting what your job is yeah you guys are got a damn crooks yeah me a bunch of them you know and that's why I love like I'm on the edward snowden team because it's just like fuck yeah like that's what you're That's the kind of shit, you know, that, like, movies were made up.

[338] We wanted to happen.

[339] We want some guy to be like, yo, you all are getting fucked, and I'm willing to die over this shit and tell you about it, you know.

[340] Yeah, and before Obama was in office, that whole hope and fucking hope and change, his website was all about protecting whistleblowers.

[341] All that shit was removed once all this stuff started going down with Edward Snowden and with Julian Assange.

[342] But before that, he was all about protecting whistleblowers who are exposing illegal activity.

[343] Guess what?

[344] That's exactly what Snowden did.

[345] Everything he did is protecting people who are being exposed to dangerous elements of out -of -control government.

[346] I mean, that's really what's going on.

[347] I didn't realize that was on the Obama page.

[348] I mean, I never went to the Obama page, but at the same time, I never knew that he said that.

[349] What a crock of shit.

[350] Yeah.

[351] Jesus Christ.

[352] I mean, they were like, we had to say, hey, Snowden, come back here.

[353] We promise we're not going to kill you.

[354] Like when we, when America has to say that, you know what I mean?

[355] It's like, fuck, we're fucked.

[356] It's like Howard Stern says, man, you know, he's like, we're like the last, you know, we are like the, like, people to say we shouldn't police the world.

[357] But the reality is, it's like, 90 % of the world are, like, murdering their own people or, like, stoning women to death.

[358] Like, there's all these other countries.

[359] Like, there's not many countries that says, hey, fucking stop, right?

[360] Yeah.

[361] That is what we want from America is what we hope for.

[362] But when you look at it and you look at the NSA shit and all that, it's like, you know, it's just hard to get all hyped up and excited about it.

[363] I mean, but our world changed so much, man. I was talking to, I was talking to, I'm 35 and I was talking to a friend of mine about this, about how our, my generation, it was like our world is so fucked compared to everybody else's because, I mean, it's probably just getting worse for the other kids.

[364] we saw like when we were 14 Kirk Cobain I was 14 Kirk Cobain blues brains out so like by that time like you're just kind I was just kind of everybody's kind of hopeful and then when that happens that's the first time that's ever happened it was so dark it was so like there was photographs floating around in my high school of it and shit and I remember kind of being like man this is dark but it kind of like threw me I was really into nine inch nails and Manson and shit like that and it like threw me into that world even more and you know I everybody loved the dark love the dark love the dark and then fucking 9 -11 happens when we're like 20 21 and it's like holy fuck like everything changed after that point like everyone everyone in this is a lot darker everyone is like realizes that yeah you know that might just these massive assaults can happen here you know there was always kind of like dreamy it's you know it's america thing it's like we always kind of even though there was a lot of corruption with like from nixon to like the you know the Kennedy assassination and shit which was kind of kind of the start of like televised or public or uh you know uh broadcast in certain ways newspapers of like death mass death and weird crazy shit like that but you look at a there was always this kind of hopefulness and i think like after 9 -11 and after kind of everything it's gone like people are really like disillusioned to it you know they we don't have that same that same kind of feeling that that was going on in the 80s and 90s i know what you're saying like the perception of what america stands for yeah It used to be that we were noble.

[365] Everybody used to say it's the land of the free.

[366] Like, there's, they still, I mean, you know, you still go to New York and the cab driver guy who's, by the way, only driven for two weeks because he got here two weeks ago.

[367] Like, he'll still tell you, like, I'm goddamn so happy to be in America, of course, because you're in New York City and it's beautiful.

[368] And there is a beauty to that and what we offer the rest of the world and people that are in these fucking terrible countries and they escape and they come here.

[369] And it's like that.

[370] That's great.

[371] Yeah, in comparison to the Congo, we're awesome.

[372] Yeah.

[373] In comparison to the Congo, we are awesome.

[374] But at the same time, we're also like, we're like kids that, you know, like I think the couple generations before us, it was like the parents stayed together and it was like great.

[375] Like we're the kids.

[376] The mom shot the dad and got away with it.

[377] And we're like, all right.

[378] You know what I mean?

[379] Like our vision of America is kind of like, yeah, we really kind of hate our parents.

[380] But we're, you know, I see what you're saying.

[381] Do you mean?

[382] Like, like, yeah, that sounded weird when I see.

[383] said it but what i'm what i know what you're saying you know like i just feel like we kind of are this weird this world that we're in and the three of us and everybody that we know kind of now it's like we have this this kind of just disdain for things like you look at this fucking sandy hook and all these terrible things that are happening and and everyone wants to focus on the gun rights thing when there's like mental health issues that need to be dealt with there's all kinds of stuff but there have been crazy people forever there have been murderers forever it's like but changing the system and trying to get right just everything just seems so fucked, you know?

[384] Like you wake up and you just want to watch cartoons.

[385] You definitely don't want to watch the news and you definitely don't want to like...

[386] Well, one of the reasons why things are so fucked in as far as our perceptions is because we're getting more information about the real dealings of our government now than ever before.

[387] Because of guys like Julian Assange and because of guys like Edward Snowden, one of the things that people don't like about it is like, well, you know, they're exposing American secrets.

[388] They're putting Americans at risk going, well, maybe what Americans are doing.

[389] doing is putting Americans at risk because what they're doing is exposing truth yeah they're exposing things that we don't like i remember after september 11th one of the things that i found like the most shocking about it all was how many american flags around people's cars like i would drive to work and that was crazy i remember fucking madness man every car had an american flag on it it was nuts my friend j london j london started selling american flags he was smart probably made a ton because i mean it was insane when that happened you Remember?

[390] It's like exposing secrets.

[391] You know, Geraldo exposes secrets and put guys in lives in danger, not Edward Snowden.

[392] That's like telling you.

[393] But yeah.

[394] But the fucking, the flags, man, that was insane.

[395] It was like this.

[396] There was like a sense of, you know, but who knows if that was real?

[397] Like the, I mean, you know what I mean?

[398] It was real.

[399] People were buying the flags.

[400] The sense of nationalism was real, obviously.

[401] But at the same time, like, there was a side of it that it was just like there was marketing and there was all these things.

[402] And there was like the magic trick going on on the right hand while there's shit.

[403] going over here in the left hand and then you have like the Fahrenheit 9 -11 movie and you're like looking at that and everybody's looking at this loose change and some people are saying it wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon it was a missile and you got fucking uh with a wrestler what's his name it's got the television jessie ventura talk talking about they got bomb paint you know did you watch the 9 -11 episode of that conspiracy theory yeah here's a problem with that conspiracy theory i worked with those very same people when i did that sci -fi show joe rogan questions everything I loved that show.

[404] I thought that was a killer show.

[405] Thanks, man. We still might do it.

[406] We're still talking.

[407] I just don't want to do it the way we did it because they, there's a lot of fuckery involved in those shows.

[408] A lot of fuckery.

[409] You could tell on his.

[410] There's like, turn the plane around.

[411] Alex Jones wants to talk.

[412] It's like, uh.

[413] Wait a minute.

[414] Yeah.

[415] There's just, they, those shows, they like, they gravitate towards the fantastic and avoid simplicity.

[416] and avoid what would be boring TV, which is really the juice.

[417] Yeah, and it'll also avoid, like, other possible scenarios that aren't as sexy.

[418] You know, there's a lot of incompetence involved in government.

[419] And sometimes people, they misconstrue conspiracy.

[420] They think of its conspiracy, where it's really just a bunch of idiots that did a shitty job of protecting people.

[421] And then, you know, the scramble afterwards.

[422] And then people that have capitalized on the scrambles.

[423] and made money and then people look at the people who capitalized on the event and say oh well this is clear evidence that there was a conspiracy and these people that were the ones that profited off of it maybe not maybe there was a fucking horrible event and some people look at horrible events as an opportunity to make money and they did and they didn't have anything to do with it happening but they did have something to do with profiting off of it you know so there's a lot of like and you people get involved in these conspiracy discussions and unfortunately what happens is when you start labeling a bunch of shit conspiracies that aren't really conspiracies, you throw the whole thing into a tizzy.

[424] Because now no one knows what the fuck to believe.

[425] And if I find out that you're wrong about a bunch of ridiculous conspiracy assumptions, if you're wrong about those, what else, what am I supposed to think about all the other shit that you're saying?

[426] Yeah, you're very right about that.

[427] And that's a real problem with conspiracy theories, is that the people who find them, they're sexy to find.

[428] So people go looking for them and fuck and everything and they're not willing to abandon them once they have sort of called them out Once they've called out a conspiracy theory they stick with it and they ride that fucker right into the rocks You know and a lot of these 9 -11 guys are like that These lot of these 9 -11 guys there's photos that people said look it's clear that Thermite cut this steel and the steel's it Asshole they cut that steel so they can move it like this is all after the fucking buildings went down you guys are touting this as evidence that thermite was used they cut the fucking girders so that they can move that shit out of there yeah well you why did they get rid of all that waste and ship it over to china what do you want him to do you want him to hang on to it what do you want it in a pile so that you can go and send your independent investigators that are going to go over and scan for thermite yeah yeah that's silly see now now you start talking about that and the first thing I think about is the biggest one is what happened with some of bin Laden oh we dumped his body and over right remember that whole story yeah he talks about that and it's like people say he was not there they had nothing to do with there was never a situation there he was been dead for a long time yeah a lot of people special ops people say that he's been dead forever yeah yeah say that he died ages ago and they just did this to they pulled that dude out of the freezer and chucked him into the ocean chucked him in the ocean we got him plop yeah right yeah i don't know man who the fuck knows it's but you you're right though man people were ride that shit down and it's like you end up kind of like it's just more confusion it is it's like white noise and static you know around all the time it's almost just as bad as the is the media is you know well it and it helps them it helps anyone in government because it also shows that anytime there's any sort of a cataclysmic disaster anytime there's any sort of an event like a 9 -11 there's so much scrambling and there's so much chaos afterwards that it's impossible to get a clear story on what exactly happened yeah they love that yeah especially if you know if it's like when they're involved in something that's why edward snowden and people like that really terrifying because they tried to you know they planted fake snowden stories that were like there was a there was a UFO one that they were trying to plant them so he would look like a kook and they weren't real real like it would be like an article and you know some european magazine saying that snowed papers say that the you the government knew about UFOs and had them for a long time and all this UFOs are a perfect one, right?

[429] Perfect one, man. I mean, I've never, it's like I'm obsessed with all this shit.

[430] You know, I'm obsessed with all of it, but the reality is, is like, I've never seen, I would love to see a ghost.

[431] I've never seen a fucking ghost.

[432] I've never seen a fucking alien.

[433] I've never seen any of it.

[434] I've tried.

[435] I've slept in haunted houses.

[436] I've met people that have seen go.

[437] Like, anytime somebody tells me a ghost story, the first thing I'm thinking, I was like, you're fucking crazy.

[438] Like, that's the first thing, I think, because I've never seen one.

[439] Have you ever had an experience with a ghost really?

[440] No, I've gone to the comedy store really late at night.

[441] The comedy store in Hollywood.

[442] Oh, yeah, I've heard about all that.

[443] I've heard about all the shit about the killing room they had up there or whatever.

[444] Well, the comedy store used to be Ciro's Nightclub.

[445] Yes.

[446] And it was owned by Bugsy Siegel.

[447] Yes.

[448] And many people were murdered there.

[449] And Ciro's Nightclub, you know, this was back in the 1930s, I guess, in the 1940s.

[450] Like, whenever it was, there were the early 20th century.

[451] Yeah.

[452] And that was a place where Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis would perform.

[453] and the comedy store's original form was like essentially a mob club.

[454] It was a mob run nightclub.

[455] And a lot of people were killed there.

[456] There was a tunnel from the back of the comedy store main room, the green room in the main room where you would go and take this tunnel up into a house that was up in the hills.

[457] Like they had it during the illegal bootlegging era.

[458] Wow.

[459] Yeah.

[460] There was a lot of wacky shit that happened in that place.

[461] And because of that...

[462] I've heard many stories about a person that sits in the audience.

[463] or something there's some lady that yeah I've heard mostly bullshit mostly bullshit I was there I performed at the comedy store for 13 years wow and I never saw shit yeah I looked around I went there late at night I would I would sit in the main room when the lights were out and everyone was gone and just wait for shit to happen wow yeah nothing happened but that doesn't mean that something couldn't be there I just want to see some fucking proof man I mean these people People write these fucking books and go on these talk shows and say this shit.

[464] I'm like, I don't believe a fucking word you're saying.

[465] I just can't believe it because I can't.

[466] I've never seen it, man. I mean, but imagine if you did and what you saw was a brief but unique moment.

[467] And in that brief, unique moment, you saw, and then it's gone.

[468] You're like, what the fuck?

[469] But you saw it.

[470] Yeah.

[471] There's no way to measure it.

[472] There's no way to become a kook, I guess.

[473] Maybe, right?

[474] Talk shows and be like, and then there's face.

[475] was I mean I don't know man it's I haven't completely ruled it out because so many people have brought out ghosts I just want to see some proof I just want to see something I mean it just seems so nuts like I got abducted by aliens and my ass got probed and all this shit like I see these people and you're like these poor people are so lonely and they got nothing going on and they either dream this shit up or they're taking ambient walking around in their front yard asleep and right you know have this thing or whatever it is like I I just don't know it's like I want to man me and my dad went to go see fire in the sky and when i was a kid when that movie came out you know it was just touching into mainstream all this like right alien abduction shit you know and i used to watch x -files every fucking week i think that travis walton guy's been kind of called as being a bullshit artist though it turned out it turned out to there was some kind of thing there was fraud to it's like yeah it always is going to it's like that have you seen that movie um it was so well done the well i mean the movie's okay but the fourth close the fourth kind oh yeah no i didn't do you see it Because it was like, yeah, because they had like this lady who's supposed to be the real lady and they have her interviews with Milo Jovovich and acting out the scenes.

[476] But it was all fake.

[477] Like they set up this whole thing.

[478] I mean, you know, Blair Witch was the first to do this kind of shit.

[479] But eventually, like, it's all coming down as fake, I would think.

[480] Well, that's just entertainment, you know.

[481] I mean, the real problem is when you deal with the people that are involved in the quote -unquote UFO community.

[482] Like, I've interviewed a ton of those for that television show.

[483] And I sat down.

[484] We had the show each episode was only an hour long.

[485] But in that hour long episode, I had several hour plus long conversations with a lot of different people that were involved in these things.

[486] And one thing that you get out of them is that these motherfuckers only have one option.

[487] That option in their head is that UFOs are real, even if they haven't seen shit themselves.

[488] And what they're not taking into account is how many people are liars, how many, like, I've told this story before I was in the woods once.

[489] And I thought I saw a wolf.

[490] I thought it was a wolf for about four seconds at the most.

[491] It was a squirrel.

[492] I saw a squirrel.

[493] I was like, is that a wolf?

[494] Squirrel, what the fuck is wrong with me?

[495] Like, it was literally like that.

[496] Like, I thought it was a wolf.

[497] It was a squirrel.

[498] And it was the woods.

[499] And I'm saying.

[500] And I'm also, I'm constantly check myself.

[501] I'm very objective like that.

[502] I'm always like, what are you doing, dummy?

[503] I'm always like saying that to myself to make sure that.

[504] But some people don't ever say, What are you doing, dummy?

[505] They say, I know what I saw.

[506] That's like the joke with no punchline thing.

[507] You know what I mean?

[508] It's like there's no punchline to get you out of it.

[509] So you're stuck in the joke forever.

[510] It's like I know exactly what you're talking about.

[511] Like the other day my wife came home and I was drunk with a knife.

[512] Because I had this, our doorbell fell off, right?

[513] Our doorbell is like stuck to our front door.

[514] It's not like wired in.

[515] Some kind of little wireless thing.

[516] And it's fallen off.

[517] So I put it inside the house.

[518] And my wife was gone and I was she's working and I was drunk.

[519] I was just drinking and hanging out and like playing I was a video game that me and my buddy's playing stuff and I had been drinking and all of a sudden the doorbell rings and I'm like doorbells inside.

[520] You know what I'm like?

[521] I'm like holy shit.

[522] I'll get a knife out.

[523] I'll get a knife out.

[524] You know, because if someone's a bad guy, they're going to ring the doorbell first where they get you.

[525] But they're in the house and ring in the doorbell.

[526] Let me know they're in the house.

[527] You know, and I'm not like a security cat.

[528] I'm always.

[529] the guy that goes downstairs to check it out i'm not i'm got no problem with that i got no problem walking downstairs there may be somebody down that you know but in this moment i was like i'm alone and the doorbells ringing on the inside of the house and this fucking sucks and i'm hammered so i'm like getting the knife out you know but but like again same kind of thing like i think i'll see something i think i'll hear something and my mind goes these places but at the end of the day i know it's ridiculous you know unless it's a home invasion of tweakers that's the only thing i'm worried about the tweaker home invasion which was rampant here when i first moved into town in the flatlands but yeah tweaker home invasions are real if tweakers tweakers need money bad yeah they they come up with wacky plans and that's the number one thing that happens to methods is they lose their ability to make good decisions yeah yeah because it's back after a couple days and shit you know you've got to get more yeah well they're also like they don't see how it's almost like their judgment gets cut off like they can only see like a couple steps forward they can't see like the whole future.

[530] So they see a car, oh, I know what I'll do.

[531] I'll just store all the meth in my ass.

[532] Yeah.

[533] No one's going to check there.

[534] And then they get arrested and they're pulling meth out of their ass.

[535] What?

[536] What are you doing back there, man?

[537] How'd you find it?

[538] Like, how did I find it?

[539] Do you know that people store things in their ass?

[540] Guys have stored guns in their ass.

[541] So there's this one article in GQ about this guy who was a lawyer and he was representing meth heads.

[542] And somewhere, I think it was Vanity Fair, GQ, GQ, one of those.

[543] And along the way, he started doing meth.

[544] And then he started selling.

[545] meth.

[546] Wow.

[547] It's like rush kind of.

[548] Yeah, he had, um, his basement had like buckets of meth.

[549] Like he had like made it and like was storing it in his basin.

[550] And people are you out of your fucking mind?

[551] Yeah, he was.

[552] Yeah, he was out of his mind.

[553] That's insane.

[554] He was a lawyer representing meth heads who became, who Heisenberg like he went full retard.

[555] Dude, that's so insane.

[556] What a great story.

[557] And now I got to find that article.

[558] Yeah, I wish I, it was, Many years ago, I wish I, but I remember reading that one of the experts that they were interviewing was talking about your lack of ability to make critical decisions and that it goes out the window.

[559] It's one of the first symptoms of meth use.

[560] As people start doing, like, rational people, start doing really irrational things and don't seem to understand the consequences of it.

[561] It's like they can't, they don't see, you know, you see several steps ahead.

[562] Like you say, like, well, you know, if I go.

[563] go outside and light that car on fire.

[564] Well, if it explodes, and then what if the tree catches on fire?

[565] And then the building catches on fire.

[566] Fuck, man, I could start a big fire.

[567] Meth heads don't think that.

[568] All they think is, I'm going to light that fucking car on fire.

[569] Nothing's going to happen, you know?

[570] It's so, I know.

[571] I've known plenty of people who have gone down that path.

[572] I mean, I've tried the shit before.

[573] You've tried math?

[574] Yeah.

[575] What's it like?

[576] It's just like, it's like really powerful Coke.

[577] It's like, if you, like, I've been, there have been times in places where someone is, is, is it had that shit.

[578] Like, I mean, it's, I'm not a big, I'm not like fucking doing blow all day long or anything, but there have been times I've done shows and shit and there's moving around and be like, hey man, want to party?

[579] And I'm like, yeah, fuck it, man. Yeah, right.

[580] And some guy, you like, think the guy's going to chop off some blow or something or right.

[581] And then it was, it'll be like, it's, it's meth.

[582] But, I mean, it's funny to call it meth because it's crank or speed.

[583] Like, when I first moved here, I was partying a bunch.

[584] And there was this guy that had like this yellow dog speed.

[585] It was like yellowish powder.

[586] it wasn't and it's the same kind of effect like like one line of it will keep you up for like 10 hours like with coke you want to do more every hour or every 30 minutes and with meth like you do a line and you're like boo like for fucking you can stay up for like 10 hours you know if you want to and then those guys like that's why matt like you don't need as much of it and they'll just do some or they'll smoke it and do that and it's you know it's like that's what it is it's like really really powerful coke so like i can't stay up all night on coke and i have stayed up all night one time on meth just one line of it of just being up all and you just like play the guitar and you're like singing and you're just so into singing you know but like in the southeast where we play a lot it's it's so big down there i mean right i mean every like my buddies that live in kentucky and stuff like it's everywhere and that their buddies all do it and then they'll you know fall out they'll do sometimes they'll do it occasionally and then one of the guys will start doing it too much and he'll fucking like he you know there's some tons of sad stories guys with kids and shit that are just doing it and staying over eight and nine days and the kids have no idea and they're fucking just wired and get you know yeah so i mean it's it's just insane it's not it's it burns like a motherfucker too when you do it like when you take when you do it if you do a line of it like burns your nose like insane really like burns the inside of your nose yeah i mean but it's kind of awesome the burn the burn is kind of the addictive thing because it's like it's like god you're like eating jalapinos yeah it's like snorting jalapinos so how many times you've done meth uh it's probably gonna sound like a lot five five that doesn't sound like a lot yeah the worry the the worry that people have is that you do it once and that you're you're no it's not like heroin in that way i've never done heroin but it's but i know people have done heroin i know it's like the there's that immediate like euphoria thing and it with with with meth the reason why it's so it's so cheap, it's so much more potent, and I think that's why it's such a big, and it's like, it's such a big deal, you know, it's easy to make with weird shit and Drano and all this fucking shit in it and then, and Sudafed and all that, you know?

[587] I mean, they got to in the South where they had to move Sudafed behind the counter because people were coming in and buying like six, seven packs of Sudafed.

[588] Well, if you buy it out here, you have to give you your driver's license.

[589] Yeah, that's, yeah, that's in the South where they were like real fast.

[590] But I mean, you know, I mean, I probably, there's probably been times I mean there's probably been times I may have done it like where I thought I was doing something else and then I'm like oh that's just definitely that's definitely crank you know what I mean but it's like my brothers and sisters and cousins I mean they probably hate me for saying this but I mean where they come from that's common it's common that people have done crank or do it yeah it's not it's not like weird it's it's definitely not addictive like I mean if you're the type person who's never done cocaine and you do cocaine and all of a sudden you're like fuck i got to do more cocaine all the fucking time like i i know certain people that are into coke like i could never do that like if i do have done coke i can't do it for another couple days i'm not i'm not the guy who stays out all night and does the whole bag and does i'll do like you know bump or something like that but it's been a long time since i've done it but if i did do it i would just do small amounts of it you know here or there but there are people that if you have that personality where you're going to be the guy who does he locks himself in hotel room for three days and does blow it doesn't show up for your job and all that shit because just because you got a bag of blow at a party you know then you're going to have a problem with crank but i think it's the same kind of thing though i it's just hardcore man it's not my style like some certain certain people prefer crank to coke that i would like or you know some people prefer adderall and do all that and it's like i mean none of it excites me that much but i would definitely anything that lasts a really long time i can't do i got kids and shit you know what i mean like i'm gonna party i'm like weed is like right down my alley that's i i love weed i can fucking do it in the studio i do it at night after a kids are asleep to go to bed like it it's kind of you it's never gonna fuck you up so much you can't snap out of it and fucking make a good decision right times you know you can like man i shouldn't have fucking ate that old pizza but you know but but it's not like you know i went and robbed my mom's house and i woke up two days later in a ditch and i'm like fuck i probably shouldn't done that crank yeah it's those speedy ones they they accelerate you and they they cut out a lot of decision making process yeah they definitely do they definitely i mean just in and at there's no two ways about it after you've been up an entire day you just start fucking i mean you start seeing stuff like i've done that without drugs you know what i mean i've stayed up days on and you just start getting delirious and like when you're using something that's fueling your heart rate and keeping you your brain is still acting as if you are not on the drugs and you've been up for five days and you're seeing shit but yet you're just wired from that shit that's what like they do the home invasion thing like there was a um i used to live on uh what i've lived all of this town but san an monica and gardner there's the astroburger right there right there behind the fat burger and there was a house there that notoriously had been like tweakers like kicked the door down and came in and were just fucking like tied the whole family up and shit and robbed them with their money Because that's all they want, is they want money to buy more crank.

[591] That's essentially the deal.

[592] But they end up fucking killing people and all kinds of shit over it, you know.

[593] Yeah.

[594] Yeah, well, you know, they think, well, we're going to get caught.

[595] Kill these people.

[596] Fuck it.

[597] We'll never get caught that way.

[598] Yeah, man. They're not seeing a bunch of steps ahead.

[599] Yeah, for sure.

[600] People are terrified of crank.

[601] They're terrified of meth.

[602] They're terrified of anything that makes people maniacs, you know?

[603] That's the big fear.

[604] Yeah, over the bath salts craze, that guy who, like, chewed the dude's face off.

[605] And it turns out he wasn't on bass salts.

[606] like well he was here's the thing they they say oh all they found in the system was marijuana the real problem is they don't have tests for bas salts so when they say that's a huge issue in kentucky my friend because see crank is now getting to where it's like too expensive and the coal miners the coal miners you know the tests for amphetamines show up in their system and so the coal miners won it and that that's why they that bath salts thing started because the from what i heard one of one of the regions i guess was that the coal miners were doing doing that and it wouldn't show up on the test they'd go they'd fucking you know smoke or snort a bunch of that shit and go down and in the fucking coal mines and fucking work for like three days straight it makes sense they're they don't what they do apparently is they take a drug whether it's meth or something along those lines and then they alter it slightly so it doesn't show up in a test but it still has some pretty significant response yeah and the human body and then they sell it as not for human consumption bath salts like i didn't understand it i thought it was just like people People have figured out that bath salts make you high when you do them.

[607] Like something weird about the vast salts, you snoring.

[608] But no, they're selling them as bas salts.

[609] Because that's the way you could sell it.

[610] Yeah, there's fake pot, too, that they sell as like something like that.

[611] And I tried smoking that one time, and it was terrible.

[612] It was like just gave me a headache instantly, you know.

[613] You could have smoked a cookie and probably done less damage.

[614] I have to say, like, I'm a foodie, too, and all this.

[615] And I just, while we're on this, I don't know why I popped in my head.

[616] But there was a tweet you sent out that I saved.

[617] the photograph and I look at it is that when you had like seven eggs and it was like clearly a little butter in the in the pan too and I cooked too and I was like I was looking at this fucking thing and I was like God I could eat that all day and all night but the fact that you have that photograph the seven eggs I have it in my phone right now well that's I have 24 chickens really yeah you so these are all fresh eggs that I get from my yard yeah it's it's so great when you can get them and no no no worries man and it's like the eggs are you know I'm getting them like the day they come out they come out of the chicken boom i'm frying them and it's a dark like an orange yolk so like if i go to a restaurant a diner and i order some eggs and you look at the yolk you're like what did you guys feed your chickens like paper there's nothing there's nothing in this yoke i think i have the fucking photograph saved the photo my eggs i did i did i know i saved it it's in here well i've been um eating nothing but farm fresh eggs like we're yard fresh eggs for the past year my goal is by the end of this year to have all the meat in my house be wild game that i've killed and all our eggs be the chickens you go hunting a lot yeah i've it's funny i've never been hunting really yeah i'm a computer nerd like was as a kid like my dad we went we went out shooting one time i did quail i did quail hunting with my buddy when i was a kid me you know they go out in the field and everybody's shooting at the fucking birds and shit but i never i've never even been hunting i mean i've just never been my my my it's never been my thing like i like guns i've i've gone shooting guns and things like that but but i've never i've just never really done it would you be into doing it i mean i'd be i i i can tell you like i can bear people around and be like i can never fucking blow a deer's brains out or whatever but i mean i i would go with you i would definitely go i'm not like i'm not opposed to going hunting so you would go but you wouldn't pull the trigger i don't know if i would pull the trigger i've never done it i've never killed an animal with a gun have you ever had venison oh i love it yeah it only comes from killing deer you got to kill no i know i know that i'm just saying you know what i mean but there are certain people that like like like and i mean my wife would never kill you never never go hunting or like i have lots of friends that probably like i don't know if i could do it i would go got no problem with it i've i've i think that there's so many good things that come from hunting like whether it be and i love that when people say that they hunt their own their own meat and and eat it and all that i'm just saying i've never done I mean, people, people think that I'm like a Harley riding, like, they think I'm tall, first of all.

[618] And second of all, I think that I'm, like, into hunting and, like, all this redneck shit.

[619] And I've been, like, I have a computer geek that moved to L .A. when I was 20, you know what I mean?

[620] But you sing country music.

[621] Your dad is one of the great country music icons of all time.

[622] I know.

[623] But he didn't really hunt or do anything like that either.

[624] He had a gun collection of, like, Civil War -era guns and stuff.

[625] Oh, wow.

[626] He's into, into that kind of stuff, very into history and stuff, which I was real good.

[627] He, you know, in his own way, he was kind of nerdy.

[628] We forgot from being from Texas and being who he was, you know.

[629] But he was just kind of into history and things like that.

[630] But we went hunting with Hank Jr. one time.

[631] And neither one of us hit nothing.

[632] Like, we would go fishing every once in a while.

[633] Tony Joe White was a great artist who used to take us fishing.

[634] My dad said he had a curse.

[635] Like, he could never catch anything.

[636] And I went fishing with Johnny Cash one time, too.

[637] Wow.

[638] Which is kind of funny.

[639] But I was a kid and we didn't catch anything.

[640] You went fishing with Johnny Cash.

[641] Holy shit.

[642] And Johnny had, like, a bunch of fish that he'd already caught, and he had him rigged somewhere so that he was going to try and make where my dad would actually think he caught something because he could never go through it.

[643] Like, we weren't real outdoorsy people.

[644] Let's just say it that way.

[645] Like, I watched way more horror movies with my dad.

[646] Like, he used to wait me out in the middle of the night.

[647] It's eight, there's a scary movie on TV.

[648] And I go downstairs.

[649] I was, like, six or seven.

[650] I go down to, and proceed to, like, get petrified by some horrible movie.

[651] That's a six -year -old shouldn't watch, you know.

[652] That's hilarious.

[653] That was kind of more of our activity.

[654] Listen to music and watch movies.

[655] It's funny, isn't it, that country music is inexorably connected to, like, hunting and fishing?

[656] Yeah.

[657] Well, I mean, naturally, I guess, you know, because of the era and the, like, you know, if you go back a little bit, I mean, not very far from my dad generation, me, me him growing up and all the, all of the Grand World Opry and all that hitter.

[658] I mean, all those guys were into that.

[659] They all lived in the woods, like, the Nashville, and let's not even say Nashville, like, even all of the.

[660] the southeast was far, far more undeveloped.

[661] So like back then, it was really country folks.

[662] And they were in, like, country music, they would roll their windows up when they listened to it because it was frowned upon.

[663] It was like a poor people's music, you know?

[664] So a lot of the people in the South and stuff, it's inevitably tied into that, of course.

[665] But, I mean, you know, it's funny because now, it's like someone, if they're critical of, like, I don't represent myself pretending to be like anything.

[666] I'm not.

[667] But if someone was ever critical of the fact that I live in L .A. And I'm not like a country war.

[668] and I play like country -style music.

[669] It's like, do you guys really think that, you know, Jason Aldeen and these fucking, these new country guys that are so big, like you really think those guys, daily existence is like tailgate parties and hunting and things like that.

[670] You guys are fucking retarded because they're shopping for shoes on Melrose.

[671] That's what's like.

[672] Getting caught cheating at the Cabo Cantina.

[673] Do you know what I'm saying?

[674] Shopping for shoes on Melrose.

[675] I don't know, man. These make you look country.

[676] man these pre these jeans are perfectly pre pre torn yeah right perfectly pre torn is the worst god it's so fucking stupid there's nothing stupider than wearing jeans that already have holes and them built in it's so dumb yeah of course it's so dumb but it's something everybody wants they want to like already be worn in you know they're they want to pretend that you're like this is i've had these jeans for a decade that they've they've been you know really really wearing it out for a while.

[677] Yeah, but they don't even look remotely, like, uniformly worn.

[678] Like, when people have those jeans that have holes in the, in the knees, like, it's obvious, you didn't get those holes working.

[679] Yeah.

[680] Like, all the rest of the jeans, perfect.

[681] You just got stupid, like, what a weird thing to become a style.

[682] Yeah.

[683] Holes in your clothes is a style.

[684] Yeah, I know.

[685] It's like, see, in my jeans, like, I don't, I'm the worst.

[686] Like, I don't wash my jeans.

[687] Like, I wear them for months.

[688] and like they literally get holes worn in them like because of because of that like I'll get them in the knees sometimes I walk on the back of them so like the backs of them are like ripped right do you mean and so like I I eventually get holes in them because they're just old and shitty but it's so funny man it's like there's all these weird styles right now that are just like what is happening like those affliction kind of thing that was going on like all those Nashville guys were in there like all the tribally looking shit Yeah, skulls and...

[689] Yeah, but not, like, cool -looking shirts like your shirt, like, you know...

[690] That's a monkey.

[691] Either, well, it's a chimp with a mushroom in his mouth.

[692] That's my own line, actually.

[693] Really?

[694] Yeah, higherprimate .com.

[695] This is all...

[696] This shirt is based on Terence McKenna's stoned ape theory.

[697] I love.

[698] That lower hominids ate mushrooms, and then they had this ideal of nuclear power and spirituality.

[699] Yeah, that's what the shirt represents.

[700] Interesting.

[701] Yeah, McKenna had this bizarre idea that's, it's an interesting idea.

[702] that his brother, actually, his brother Dennis McKenna, who was still alive, was a fascinating guy himself, actually substantiated with science in a way that's way better than I ever could.

[703] If you want to listen to the first podcast that I did with Dennis McKenna, and he explains the actual effect that psilocybin has on the mind and why it would, why it would facilitate the construction of language.

[704] And that what, what McKenna's theory was, was that what happened to lower, primates is that somewhere around, you know, a million plus whatever years ago, when over a period of two million years, the size of the human brain doubled.

[705] And that's like a very substantial event in biology.

[706] And they really have no idea what caused human beings to become so much more intelligent than they were previous.

[707] And his theory is that this is at the same time that these tropical rainforest receded into grasslands.

[708] Climate change forced these tropical rainforest to become grasslands.

[709] And these monkeys climbed down off trees and started experimenting with various food sources, different things.

[710] One thing they do is they start flipping over cow patties.

[711] And they'd find bugs and worms and shit to eat underneath them.

[712] But there was also things growing on the cow patties.

[713] And those things were psilocybin mushrooms.

[714] cows in the jungle, though.

[715] This is like they've dropped and they've gone, okay.

[716] They seceded into grasslands.

[717] Over the climate had changed.

[718] Right, right.

[719] And rainforests had become grasslands.

[720] Fascinating.

[721] And so these apes ate mushrooms.

[722] Exactly.

[723] And then got smarter.

[724] Yeah, and there's a bunch of different reasons why, besides the facilitation of language, which is the very specific reaction that psilocybin has on the human mind and why Dennis McKenna described it very well.

[725] I can't really repeat what he said.

[726] I'm not.

[727] smart enough.

[728] I don't remember it either.

[729] But what McKenna also said was that psilocybin in low doses increases visual acuity.

[730] It's a it sharpens edges.

[731] It makes you be able to see things better.

[732] It makes you hornier.

[733] So it would make you see better and make you hornier.

[734] So it'd make you, if you see better, you'd probably be more aware of things, probably be a better hunter.

[735] If you're hornier, you'd fuck more.

[736] So the, the mush, the mushroom meeting monkeys would have a biological advantage over the non -mushrum eating monkeys.

[737] Interesting.

[738] Well, you do know if a bunch of monkeys are walking around and one of them eats mushrooms and all of a sudden he's like, you know, they're going to be like, dudes, you guys got to try this shit.

[739] At all the things that makes sense as far as looking at the effect of a substance, the effects that a substance has on the body, what would cause massive consumption of the substance over a long period of time, like two million years, what would cause direct changes to the human body?

[740] what would cause direct changes to the actual function of the mind psilocybin's like number one it's so common it's everywhere it grows out of cow shit it's totally edible you're hungry you can eat it you eat it you trip balls you trip balls you think about things you develop language you develop alternative oh yeah i've never done it and i'm i'm dying to try it uh do you do you know sturgle simpson is no you should check out his record okay record it's new and he'll has a song called Turnels All the Way Down.

[741] Oh, I've heard about this.

[742] It's about DMT, right?

[743] Well, he apparently, he did a bunch of DMT when he's doing the record and was just like, yeah, that song itself talks about DMT and psilocybin and stuff in it.

[744] But it's like real old school country.

[745] That tattoo's a DMT molecule.

[746] Really?

[747] I didn't know this about you.

[748] See, now, see, I've never experienced it.

[749] And I'm so into all that, too.

[750] Oh, dude, let's get together and do DMT.

[751] Don't see it on the radio.

[752] Okay, I won't.

[753] I promise that I won't bring any cards.

[754] crank well dm t is one of the weirdest ones too because you could never be tested for it i mean really they would have to catch you i've never had a full blown that kind of an experience with anything i've done mushrooms before and i laughed a lot i've done acid it didn't really see anything but but i'm very fascinated with like the the peyote kind of experience and all that and i've never i've never had it ever sturgle's like you got to try it dude he's like dmt's mushrooms times a million plus aliens that's what it is yeah what's the deal with the aliens of dm t well there's something that happens when you take dmt where you you you pass through visually or spiritually whether it's real dimensions you pass through into some new space and when you're in some new space the what's weird about dmt is this all in your head with your eyes shut yes your eyes are shut but if you open your eyes you're going to see some crazy shit too you'll see some crazy shit though that's also you're better off keeping your eyes closed though because they're Then you'll get sort of a full representation of what's going on and what you're seeing.

[755] When your eyes are open, your eyes are taking in the physical world, like what you're seeing in front of you.

[756] And you're trying to combine the two of them, and it's very baffling and confusing.

[757] Just shut your eyes.

[758] Silent darkness.

[759] Close your eyes.

[760] Take it.

[761] And then just close your eyes and lay back.

[762] And you go on the craziest trip.

[763] It's impossible for anything to be stronger.

[764] It's impossible for anything to be a more potent hallucin, because it seems more real than reality itself.

[765] Like once you do DMT, the weirdest thing about it is coming back, like, regular reality is so dry and dull.

[766] It's like, that's more real.

[767] Like it's more, you feel it, you also feel, if this makes any sense, you feel the experience in your, in your essence as a human being.

[768] And it sticks with you after.

[769] Fuck, man, I've had trips that stuck with me for five or six years where every day I would think about that trip for five or six years.

[770] Wow, man. I'm very fascinated by this, man. Well, it's the very components of the brain itself, the very human neurotransmitters that power thinking, that work inside your mind.

[771] I mean, these are endogenous chemicals.

[772] These aren't like, it's not like something that's alien to the human body that you put in and it has this crazy effect.

[773] No, DMT is actually produced by your body itself.

[774] So when you add it, when you take it and smoke it, like your body already knows what it is.

[775] That's one of the reasons why it's so transient.

[776] Like, it's when you take it, you have this extreme high.

[777] You have this wild ride of hallucinations and experiences or whatever it is.

[778] And how long does it last?

[779] That's the crazy thing.

[780] 15 minutes, max.

[781] Wow.

[782] And it's salvia at one time, which comes like a short thing, but that is nothing.

[783] More if you do it intravenously.

[784] If you do it intravenously, it can last like a half hour or more.

[785] Really?

[786] Yeah, like Rick Strassman, who.

[787] He was one of the first guys to get federal, he got federal permission, the DEA's permission to do these research studies on dimethlytropamine intravenously in patients.

[788] He did it out of the University of New Mexico, and they did several of these, and then he wrote a book on it called DMT, the Spirit Molecule, where these people have these incredible, incredible experiences while on this intravenous dimethyltropamine.

[789] and repeatable experiences that would go to these and very, very much mirrored the alien abduction experiences that people would talk about like being taken aboard alien spacecrafts and being brought to alien places and alien lands like very, very similar.

[790] Reptiles.

[791] Yeah, so he started connecting dimethylptamine and endogenous dumps of dimethylptamine to alien abduction experiences and that's what he thinks that's all about.

[792] He thinks all of these people that have these like, I woke up in the middle of the night, I was on a spaceship, you just your brain just dumped a bunch of DMT in and somehow or another you got caught in the middle of this world of being awake and dreaming so your body when you're dreaming is essentially producing something that's caused you to hallucinate the speculation is that that's DMT as well um they haven't totally proven that yet but they're pretty sure they've already proven that DMT is produced by the pineal gland that's that was a long time for that was speculation but they've proven that that in live rats the live rats actually produce DMT in that gland so that's really yeah yeah it's all pretty trippy trippy trippy shit that's that is very fascinating i mean like i said i honestly haven't uh i i have never just never i've dying to do it i've just never done i i'm just into that man i'm into that experience i'm into that like going to the next level oh sweet yeah this is one of the it's one of the weirdest ones because uh it's in so much many different plants it's not like uh you have to go and get a pomegranate from brazil and that's the only way you get this what's the walk iawasca ayahuasca yeah iowaska is essentially the way they figured out all that shit like yeah like the movie yeah well what iawasca is is an orally active form of dm t because dmt when you smoke it it goes directly into your bloods your blood supply but dmt is in so many different plants that if you got it from eating it, you would be tripping your balls out every time you have a salad because grass has it in it, a lot of different, thousands of different plants have it in it.

[793] Wow.

[794] So because of that, your body produces chemicals that mitigate that.

[795] One of them is called monoamine oxidase.

[796] And monoamine oxidase is produced in your gut.

[797] So when the Amazon shamans figure out how to give people DMT with a, so in modern like in today in, you know, the United States and modern chemical world, there's scientists that have figured out how to synthesize pure DMT.

[798] So they take it from plants or, you know, from various chemicals, and they synthesize pure DMT, you smoke it, goes right in your bloodstream, it's pure DMT.

[799] But you can't do that in the Amazon.

[800] So what they figured out how to do is make an orally active version of it.

[801] So what it is is they combine the leaves of one plant with the roots of another and one of them being harmin, which is a natural MAO inhibitor.

[802] So it's a monos.

[803] amino amine oxidase inhibitor that they mix in.

[804] So it's like a DMT trip, but it's not quite as intense.

[805] It's a slow release, longer version that's very hallucinogenic and very spiritual in a lot of ways.

[806] But I've only done the big one.

[807] The big one is the DMT, the smoking DMT is you get shot through a cannon to the center of the fucking universe.

[808] The way I describe it is you're communicating with complex geometric patterns.

[809] that are made out of love and understanding.

[810] Man, that's so funny, because I've heard that, I've heard the geometrics thing, and, you know, I'm a big study of, like, sacred geometry and all these kind of things.

[811] I'm very fascinated by this.

[812] I'm very fascinated.

[813] Oh, I'm so fascinated by geometry.

[814] Sacred geometry and fractals and all those different, when you look at just the nature of the universe itself, just the nature of cellular life, subatomic particles, atoms becoming individuals, individuals being a part of a group of individuals that live on a planet, the planet being a part of the galaxy, the galaxy being the part of the universe, on and on and on and on.

[815] It seems like there's a fractal geometric nature to life itself.

[816] The Fibonacci sequence that describes like, you know, like the way sunflower seeds are developed, the way a nautilus shell looks, the way so many different plants grow.

[817] There's all this weird sort of fractal mathematical nature to the world itself.

[818] Yeah.

[819] like the tree of life 33 you know it's just there's so many things like that I'm so fascinated with that I feel like when you when you unlock those kind of things in your mind and you're into that stuff like there's a great book called Gateway to the Gods that I read I don't know how I ran across this book but it's it's about this guy it's about a lot of sacred geometry it talks about it really deals with the in the Bible like the watchers and the Nephilim and the concept that angels that were actually like interdimensional travel and it touches a little bit on the DMTish kind of thing and it touches on some of that kind of travel mind travel but um very fascinated by it man i just i you know that i think if your your mind is open to it and you do do something like dmt it probably it probably enhances your if you're like you being so knowledgeable on so much of this probably is it enhanced your trip when you do it because you're i mean i don't know how probably i mean are you like are you able to focus on what you're looking at or wherever you're seeing.

[820] So hard.

[821] So hard.

[822] It's so crazy and it changes every second.

[823] Like every second you look at it becomes something even more impossible.

[824] That's the weirdest thing about it.

[825] It's just you can't believe you're seeing something that's like this.

[826] Like how is this possible?

[827] Are there like, aren't there beings that more than one person have seen?

[828] Yes.

[829] And they're all the, they all describe them as the same.

[830] See, it's hard.

[831] Did you do that?

[832] I've seen, see, my trips have been different every time I've done it.

[833] That's one of the weirdest things about it is.

[834] Like someone's saying that they've seen the same things that I've seen.

[835] I'm not even sure I could tell you what I saw.

[836] Like, I can tell you what I can remember about what I saw.

[837] But one of the weirdest aspects of it is that it's impossible.

[838] Like, when you're seeing it, like, this isn't real.

[839] This can't be possible that I can actually see this.

[840] And then, like, one of the things that one of my trips, one of the most profound ones, it was like these, like, almost like children that were in this dimension, children that were like infinitely more intelligent than me but behaved like children and communicated like children and they would say i love you 600 million 500 thousand times like something like a kid would say like i love you infinity i love you 50 million 700 000 fiff and you know like that kind of shit they would say that and then they would go look at this and they kept saying look at this and every time they would say look at this they would show you something that was so impossibly beautiful like tears were like flowing down my face Because I was conscious, I had my eyes closed, and I was seeing this, and I was conscious, but I was crying because it was so beautiful.

[841] And then they would say it again, I love you 600 ,000, 500 ,000 times.

[842] Look at this.

[843] And then they would show you something even more insane, like a million times more insane than what you just saw.

[844] What were they?

[845] Didn't make any sense.

[846] It was just, you can't describe it.

[847] It's just the fractal nature of the universe embodied in imagery, which also had meaning and love connected to it.

[848] So when you were seeing it, you weren't just seeing something beautiful, but you were feeling it.

[849] And it was like almost like it was running through your soul, like it was cleansing you as you saw it.

[850] Like everything that I saw made me, every time I saw it, every new thing made me love people more, made me love life more, made me more appreciative, made me want to hug more.

[851] And then I thought that was over and then would go, look at this.

[852] And then you'd get hit with a new wave.

[853] And it was just overwhelming.

[854] I'm just crying.

[855] Like, it couldn't hold it in.

[856] It was just so unbelievably intense.

[857] Have you ever had a negative experience?

[858] No, not on DMT, no. I've had negative experiences in that DMT is sort of exposed that I was maybe a little out of control in my life, like maybe too stressed out or maybe, you know, taking too much time, devoted too much time to work and bullshit related things.

[859] It really didn't matter in the long, like the negative aspect was it like after it was like, hey, I need to just fucking chill out.

[860] Like, I need to just smell the daisies.

[861] I need to just enjoy this experience, you know, and just not...

[862] 15 minutes, huh?

[863] Yeah, but I've never had a negative experience in that, like, while it was in.

[864] I was like, this is negative, but I've seen it.

[865] I've seen people freak out.

[866] Yeah, have you been with someone that freaked out?

[867] Yeah, my friend Eddie freaked the fuck out the first time he did it.

[868] But I think it was because he was trying to control it.

[869] You can't control it.

[870] You can't.

[871] You can't, like, saying, I'm going to pull myself out of this and sober up.

[872] Good luck.

[873] You have to give in.

[874] you have to be willing to give in but i mean i'm that's the thing is man it's like i'm i'm that i think you and i are a lot of liking that way that it's like like i you know i want something more out of this experience like i love i love life like i'm a positive guy i've got two kids who i love i love the time with them you know everything like that and that's why it's like i'm so fascinated with like the i don't believe all the bullshit on the media and i don't believe all the fucking you know all the shit that we've been talking about this whole show like that's why I'm into the Bitcoin thing, which we haven't even gotten into.

[875] And I mine those things.

[876] I'm into the technology of it.

[877] You're mining, oh, huh?

[878] I'm, I am.

[879] Yeah, I do.

[880] I mean, I'm just into the technology of it.

[881] I'm into the programming side of it and the cryptology and all that.

[882] But like I am into understanding the full aspect of life while I'm here.

[883] And it's like I'm fascinated by religions.

[884] And my mom, I was raised Christian, my mom's that way.

[885] like I you know it's hard for me to say that I'm that I'm like a I'm not a church going kind of guy but but it's like I believe when you're here you're supposed to be if you can leave being good you know I haven't been a good guy that's the thing but I'm into the knowledge I'm into the like discovering where things come from and you know studying like the Egyptians and studying the fucking artwork that they're always you know I'm just into it so that's why like something like DMT like like if I could travel to other dimensions and party with reptiles i would do it right now you can well you can with dmt i don't know about reptiles i i've never seen a reptile while on it but i've seen things that are somehow or another consciousness or appear to be conscious or are representations of your own consciousness in some sort of a much pure much uh much greater form but you know who else wasn't a church going person jesus yeah jesus didn't have a fucking church you know So churches are human creations and humans, the problem with any sort of power structure, any top -down power structure is that people want to contain that once they have power, they want to retain that people, they want to contain the people that contain the ideologies of the people that are involved in that group.

[886] And then, you know, to have an open -minded, completely open situation where you have a group but there's no structure to it and everyone's just loving and able to do whatever they want, there's no one person that's the leader.

[887] no that's not what we do human beings everything sort of falls into that weird alpha male monkey category where there's one person that talks and everyone else listens and that's what you find in churches that's what you find at political rallies that's what you find when the president gives a speech on television there's the one and then there's the listeners and it's not a dialogue it's one person talks and there's a you know everyone comes in and sits down open up to page 324 we're going to read from the gospel and then this is one person that's doing this.

[888] It's one person that's guiding this whole thing.

[889] And that's sort of contrary to the very, like, nature of like a cooperative and open group of humans, a community.

[890] And that's also the best way to control people to ensure that this one person disseminates the rules.

[891] This one person gets to talk.

[892] And this one person keeps everybody under control.

[893] All the preacher's here.

[894] Everyone all rise.

[895] The honorable judge is here.

[896] You know, all the, I mean, court, court itself.

[897] You have to stand up when this asshole who's wearing robes like why are you wearing robes man you can't you can't give the law out with a t -shirt and jeans on you have to wear like special fancy clothes in order to to understand the law yeah the wig the powdered wigs crazy curly white wigs you know just people are mad they're mad and they're also running on momentum of an ignorant past running on the momentum essentially of people that we used to write shit down on animal skins that same momentum is still propelling society today.

[898] Oh yeah, man. Yeah, and it's yeah, you're right.

[899] You're right.

[900] It's, I mean, we could get into that forever because I've, you know, just conceptually the way that the control is, is, you know, doled out.

[901] It's pretty, pretty, I mean, it's pretty easy.

[902] It's pretty mathematical one plus one equals two.

[903] Like you just like I was saying, keep everybody poor, keep everybody uneducated, and then convince them that if they don't do what we want them to do, they're going to burn in hell.

[904] Yeah, even better than poor.

[905] Now they have a new thing.

[906] It's called being in debt.

[907] Everyone's in debt.

[908] It's way better than poor.

[909] Because poor, you can just deal with being poor.

[910] But debt, you're never going to have, you can't stop working.

[911] You owe money.

[912] You're not even.

[913] Yeah, that's true.

[914] That's exactly it, man. It's like, you know, separate the family.

[915] Have you, you were getting into bright eyes, that man?

[916] Bright eyes?

[917] No. Connor Oberst, have you heard of him?

[918] No. You know, those guys, they have a great record called the People's Key.

[919] but the opening the opening line the opening thing is this guy I don't even who it is he's talking about exactly what we're talking about it and how they control the masses and stuff man that's a great speech in the beginning of this thing but you know it's like keeping the mom and dad separate because they both have to work like you make it so hard for a normal like lower income family to even be together so that you can disseminate information to each one of them exactly like you want and they don't have a lot of time together.

[920] You know, that's a big part of it.

[921] And it's so insane.

[922] It's just, it just is insane.

[923] And it's just like the wages and the way they control that and the people who make the money.

[924] It's like the banking thing.

[925] This is why the Bitcoin thing is so brilliant.

[926] I mean, you know, I mean, you talk to the, to Andreas, who's like, who's like the man, but.

[927] Andreas Antonopoulos, who we were talking about this before the podcast, left that Bitcoin.

[928] The Bitcoin Foundation.

[929] Yeah, I don't, we need to have them on again.

[930] find out what that was all about what that see that the foundation has never been needed this is what's weird about it because they've there you know the bitcoin itself is the protocol so it's like that's what's brilliant the the foundation was created as something that was supposed to kind of drive the development of it but it's become it's become a corporation essentially you know it's got it had a lot of negative but the the people who are in charge of it now are even more more so people are like they're kind of crooks and shady and But there's really no need for it.

[931] There's no need.

[932] There's not like there's a Bitcoin company that people work for.

[933] You know, the thing is, it's more like a virus that was set into the world.

[934] And then just like the internet was, you know, there's not like the, they're an internet company that there's president of the internet who can decide like today.

[935] But you know what I mean?

[936] That's a beautiful thing about the internet, isn't it?

[937] It is amazing.

[938] But that's why they're trying to do this, this net neutrality thing is such a big issue because they're trying to, they're trying to can't.

[939] Like, right now, Time Warner Cable can already, like, if they don't like the Joe Roe.

[940] and show they can slow down when people go to your site they can slow it down on purpose but but that's that's shitty enough already but like the with the net neutrality thing they're trying to to get rid of then then time warner can say hey um google your shit's going to be real slow unless you pay us money and so then they're going to start extorting money out of to you know, to go back into their own pocket, to actually, to alter what sites, and even blocking sites.

[941] And when Time Warner owns all the internet, I mean, there's a giant portion of the internet.

[942] I mean, I don't know what the actual numbers are, but it's over 50 % of the service provider.

[943] And the service provider can then charge companies and decide what people can see.

[944] Then that's like, the internet is, the purpose of it is you're getting fucked big time, you know what I mean?

[945] Yeah, they're trying to corporatize it.

[946] They're trying to control it the same way they've controlled the airwaves as far as like...

[947] I mean, like, in fucking Egypt, and they cut the internet, you know, and shit like that.

[948] That's what we're like three steps away from happening, and that's the internet.

[949] The internet is decentralized.

[950] There is no one in charge of it, and they know that.

[951] You know, and the reality is, is like, if they, you know, if time order becomes that big of a deal, somebody will come out there and run their own wires and fucking set up their own fucking statewide Wi -Fi.

[952] and it'll be fine, you know, but it's just tough, man. But you know that, like, did you ever get into discussion about Bitcoin about how you can, you, in a, if I send you money, you can attach a message to it, or you can actually, like, attach a deed, or I could write a song, and it would be in the blockchain copyrighted, but you can actually embed a message in the transaction and that the first transaction ever done by the guy who made it, had the, like, Washington Post or, like, Wall Street Journal, the headline was like the government approves second bailout for banks like that was encoded in the first transmission because it was like they're saying like enough like this shit is so fucked the banking the federal reserve the government everything like we've got a solution where you don't need a banks anymore you know what I mean it would change it changes escrow it changes everything like it yeah you don't need banks if you have digital currency I mean that's the the most party is the mining community So, like, it's, there's no need, there's no way to rig it, you know.

[953] Yeah, I think that if it can continue and it can grow and evolve, I think it could be...

[954] Definitely will.

[955] Definitely.

[956] I think it will as well.

[957] I think there's definitely powers that are trying to subvert it.

[958] Oh, of course, man. Of course.

[959] Because can you imagine?

[960] But here's the reality, man. Banks are record stores and our big record companies and Bitcoin is Napster.

[961] That's it.

[962] That's what it is.

[963] with the tower records man i used to fucking go there at all the fucking time it's not there it's true and all these fucking city national banks on every corner that's gonna happen mark my words they will not be there anymore that would be the same fate as tower because people will figure out how to send their money around you know yeah and once you get used to buying things with your phone which is probably the future yeah i mean i do it all i bought a fucking computer like i'm such a nerd that i buy old i bought an old 486 pc with like a disc drive in it because i just wanted to play my old games that i liked i bought one on my phone on the way in here wow you know i mean on ebay though but but like that's PayPal and you're like paying all kinds of money for that but like if you know i can go on right now i could go to anywhere and i mean right now like with del like started accepting bitcoin like i bought my manager a computer like with some bitcoin than i had and it was fucking cheap and it was like i send dell accepts it now del it started accepting it just recently wow You know, overstock .com was the first one, and now Wikipedia takes it for donations.

[964] And it's slowly becoming adopted.

[965] And I think it's, you know, back in 94, 93, when the internet was out, people were like, no one's ever going to do this www.

[966] something or something or other .com, they're going to have to come up with some easier way to do it.

[967] No one's going to ever, this will never become normal.

[968] And, you know, it's like here we are 20 years later.

[969] And it's like there's no way that anyone could function, any of our devices could function without the internet being involved.

[970] Everyone would prefer to go to a website than call a number.

[971] It's like people download their music.

[972] They don't buy it, really.

[973] I mean, they do, but, you know, I mean, it's like, so I think that all the talk around Bitcoin right now is the same kind of talk they were having around the internet then.

[974] I think you're right.

[975] I think it'll be, there's like messaging programs where you can send money in the text, like on an iPhone.

[976] So, like, if I was like, hey, can you go pick up this and, you know, here's 40 bucks worth of it or whatever.

[977] Or, you know, whatever it costs, I can just send it to you instantly and not being charged.

[978] So you could, like, say if, you know, say if we were living together and you wanted me to go pick up a steak.

[979] Yeah, I can go, hey, man, you go to the grocery store and go get some food and here's the money.

[980] Yeah, just like that.

[981] I mean, there'd be no, there's like a couple cents, maybe a charge for the transaction fee.

[982] But there's, I mean, such an, if there is one, it's such a small amount.

[983] And that money goes to, it's like a 401k plan for the mining system because it's going to eventually hit the market.

[984] where it can't make any more, can't generate any more Bitcoin.

[985] And then after that, they'll be living off the transaction fees.

[986] But it's kind of interesting.

[987] See, like the mining thing, man, it's like some people think of it.

[988] And they're like, oh, it's like people who want to just like make free money, which is not, it's not way it works.

[989] It's like what it actually is is, and this is the nerd part of me, like I also run a full node of Bitcoin at home, which means like I'm part of the network of transactions that happen.

[990] It's kind of complicated, but at the same time, like the, the, The technology behind the whole transaction confirming process, which is the AKA the mining, is what is so fascinating to me. And I like, I mean, I'll go on the internet and on IRC and hang out and talk to the developers and shit.

[991] Because I'm just, I think that someone has to and is going to use this technology in the way that Bitcoin is and make finally a decentralized entertainment distribution platform.

[992] Because eventually, like iTunes takes 30%.

[993] like they've been good to me in different moments but here's the reality you make something that costs nothing to duplicate because it's digital and they're taking 30 % of it plus a company like tune core like jabs you and robs you to get to even get your shit on iTunes if you're just a new band you know who's like how do I get my shit on iTunes somebody's going to collect some money for them to just email your song over to iTunes in the correct format and then iTunes takes 30 % like if you got rid of that and you got it where I was like say I gave you a David Bowie song if there was a way to just have a proof of ownership and have like a transaction fee like there isn't Bitcoin where if I just gave you an album that would somehow pay David Bowie when you get it you know there doesn't need to be the iTunes the store you go to to get it it's like really if I'm sending you a song via an email there should be a way to like build a decentralized distribution platform like that.

[994] It's crazy that Amazon takes that much, or that iTunes rather, takes that much.

[995] How can they do that?

[996] I'll tell you why, because everyone said the internet is never going to be a way that people buy music, and iTunes said, we're here and we're putting our flag down, and you guys are going to be sorry, and that's what happened.

[997] They jumped in when nobody cared.

[998] There were meetings that they said, we don't care, don't talk to us about MP3s.

[999] Like Sony said, don't talk to us about MP3s until it's 30 % of the market.

[1000] and by the time it was 30 % of the market iTunes was fucking way had iPods and was weighted all the way but 30 % seems like a lot of money because it's not even like they're storing it on their website and then you download it from their servers like they need all the bandwidth and so you're you know because your album is you know X amount of gigs that it I mean that's not what's going on they're not storing it well I mean you have to have a host they do store it I mean do they don't do it with for podcasts for podcasts for podcasts you're Your podcast gets downloaded from a host.

[1001] Like a torrent?

[1002] Yeah, I have a company called, the company's called Libson and Libson.

[1003] Oh, yeah, but see, this is what TuneCore is.

[1004] So that's what TuneCore is?

[1005] That's the way TuneCore or like Reverb Nation and all those things work is you can get yourself.

[1006] I mean, that's essentially it, but I believe that it goes into the back end at iTunes.

[1007] I think that a lot of those companies, like, like, if I don't pay TuneCore after five years, they're going to, my music will go off iTunes.

[1008] so they have the control over that but I've also seen labels go directly to iTunes not via those things and go use the back end there I mean I don't know I thought they did store the shit but you know I mean I should probably know that and I don't know that but the reality is 30 % I don't care what you call what you it's a duplicate of a digital file yeah that costs nothing to replicate that is it is kind of crazy yeah that's why so many artists held out for so long on it But then they had, they just buckled and went.

[1009] But I know that there's dirty deals that went down in the back room where like certain people got better cuts off that.

[1010] Like the Beatles, I bet you money, they're not taking 30 % of the Beatles.

[1011] But they would never admit to that.

[1012] But dude, everything's a dirty deal.

[1013] Listen to this shit.

[1014] Billboard charts, you think about it.

[1015] You're like, oh, this album's number one on Billboard.

[1016] There are certain artists that I've heard about where they've had the like sponsorships with like, say, Coorslight.

[1017] and the week the record comes out Coors Light buys 300 ,000 copies of the record so that that goes number one I mean it's all rigged financially it's all rigged by money so it's like none of it's real the Grammys aren't real you know it just to me it's all so strange the Grammys aren't real yeah none of that's real do you think any of that's real like in what way?

[1018] There are people that charge that are services that are people that were at one point worked for the Grammy organization and they have the email addresses of all the people that they know that vote so there are people that will charge you like five grand to bombard these people with emails all year so that by the time they see the voting sheet they're like oh that fucking person I'll vote for that like there's there's things like that but besides that dude it's like the Grammys are a self -contained operation of like the old media like it's it's like Clive Davis and all those people and they're all like Like a random band from nowhere who nobody's ever heard of is never going to win a Grammy unless they've got money behind them.

[1019] Do you know what I mean?

[1020] So like the whole show, like what I mean?

[1021] Like the billboards are fake and all that shit.

[1022] All that shit's not real.

[1023] It's not like the 50s where like Muddy Waters puts out something and it goes straight to the top of the charts.

[1024] And all of a sudden, like race music becomes like this big thing.

[1025] It's not that way anymore.

[1026] It's all corporate, controlled by the 1%.

[1027] It's controlled by the biocombs of the world.

[1028] who are putting it on the television who are deciding who's going to win like arcade fire wins a fucking Grammy because they think that that like you know everyone feels like it's been too pop -oriented so let's give one to Arcade Fire this year and it's like as much as I want to believe that there are like the fans are in any way involved in these kind of processes they're totally not it's just all the marketing there's fucking five people calling all the radio station programming for the year there's you know people buying their way to the top of buying Grammys and buying their way to the top of billboard it's like if everybody's if rich people are the only people that have the ability to buy their way in top like why would why would some why would muddy waters even care do you know i mean but it's just the the system has changed so much like but that isn't that just the system as far as like the awards and awards shows that's i'm saying that all those kind of things like the accolades that that go along with being a musician like that you know going out and playing a show and having a grassroots thing like that's one thing that's real but like all the accolades of the billboards and the awards and all that all that stuff is just for show you know i mean and it's highly manipulated so well it makes sense i mean it don't it totally makes sense me why wouldn't they manipulate it if they could manipulate it if it led to financial gain of course if they're scratching each other's backs like you know yeah jive davis is going to make a record and he's going to give it to the right to the when they go to their bohemian grove little party that they do or whatever they're going to fucking he's going to say hey uh i'm going to send you the new, you know, Kanye record or whatever.

[1029] I'm going to see the new Alicia Keys record and these radio stations are going to fucking, you know, they're going to get you know, they're not getting payola but they're fucking getting free trips to Disneyland for their whole family and like five of the people, you know, to fucking play like this record that so -and -so's invested in.

[1030] To me, it's all a kind of a joke.

[1031] And that's probably why I'm not why I'm not a rich man is because I fucking, I spout off about this shit all the time in my radio show too and I'm like, like, fucking what's your what's your radio show on i'm on serious on serious xm on uh outlaw country channel 60 i'm on is that the uh xxx channel is that what it is oh it's called electric rodeo the triple x thing was something where i was trying to actually uh it's kind of defunct in a way now i mean i still play all those bands but there's this whole like underground country underground kind of roots blues thing that was happening and and it was getting boxed into this americana shit it was getting real like americana and country and everything.

[1032] There was this real big gap in the middle and there was all these bands that were falling in the gap.

[1033] So I was like, I started a website with that and it was kind of just a play on AAA radio and I was like, I don't know, I got more heat over it.

[1034] I mean, it helped a lot of artists and I know it did because I'm friends with them.

[1035] And it definitely, I, I've now started producing a lot of other people and started working the studio with them more as opposed to promoting them, which has been really good.

[1036] But it was just a way of trying to promote all these really great bands that really just weren't getting any chance.

[1037] But I still play all those bands on my radio show.

[1038] But it's called Electric Rodeo.

[1039] I've been doing it like nine years now, which is kind of insane.

[1040] But I don't do it like this.

[1041] I do it on the fly.

[1042] I was like looking at this and I'm like, man, something I've been doing my show for nine years.

[1043] I was like that I would actually have something to show for it.

[1044] You guys are smarter than I am.

[1045] You know, I do mine on the fly on my laptop, like wherever I'm at.

[1046] Sometimes I've done on an airplane when I'm flying, you know.

[1047] Just whenever I got to get it.

[1048] it in by the end by the end of the week so well this thing is just i mean we need other people here you know this is like a location to do it from you but fucking what a great location when the fucking wolf and predator and fucking lava lamps and fucking antlers and this place is insane well we we turned it into this we first moved in here it was the opposite it was like a board room or something yeah it was just a regular office room even even the covers over the fluorescent lights i've never seen that shit before oh their space yeah yeah man i mean it's the The vibe in this room, it's like, I would never, if I were you, I would just stay in this room all the time.

[1049] I just never leave the pool table outside.

[1050] Yeah, it's a good spot.

[1051] It's a great spot, man. Yeah, I think it's important to have a space where you feel comfortable, you know, you feel like you can just chill out.

[1052] It doesn't feel corporate.

[1053] I think it enhances the conversations in a lot of ways.

[1054] For sure, man. And also, it just, it's a creepy secret spot.

[1055] It feels like a creepy secret spot.

[1056] It's great, man. It's great.

[1057] I love it.

[1058] So you think that you doing your radio show and being honest about all these things has held you back?

[1059] Well, I don't know.

[1060] I mean, I do know, like, one time I said the thing about the billboard.

[1061] And I had evidence of this.

[1062] And I'm not going to say what artist it was because I'm not in the business doing that.

[1063] But there was this big name artist who had this new record coming out.

[1064] And his sponsor companies bought 300 ,000 copies of it first week.

[1065] So they would make sure that it went number one.

[1066] And I said that on the radio.

[1067] And my boss says, and he's told me I've gotten a lot of calls.

[1068] They've called him and they say, he's saying this shit and it's irresponsible because it's not true.

[1069] And I'm like, yes, it is true.

[1070] I know it's true.

[1071] I've seen the paper that said it was true.

[1072] But I think they get pissed that I say that.

[1073] But a lot of people don't like me. They blackballed me a long time ago anyway because I was just always, I've always been that way, man. I'm to my disadvantage a lot of ways.

[1074] But like, if someone's a phony, I hate that more than anything in the world, man. And, you know, there have been times in my life.

[1075] life when I was a phony growing up they know with girls and things like so you know we try to try to get into that but as you get older and as I've gotten older it's just there's so much insincerity and especially in the music business that I have such a disdain for it it's just like like the way that the riders work I mean what's happened to country music is is directly responsible I mean directly related to like the exact you know what we're talking about corporate America it's like the same kind of shit it's just it's just gotten to where these corporate are in so much power and they have so much money that it's really hard for like the little man to beat it you know and so I just get really I see people who pretend to be for the little man or they but yet they're playing this fucking ball game over here and like talking out of both sides of their mouth and it just kills me you know what I mean so I'll say it I'll happily say it all day long you know but uh but yeah like I definitely think that that that it there are groups I just found out about a group in Nashville, but there are groups much like the Bilderberg group where they, in music and in movies and things.

[1076] I mean, I know everybody knows they kind of have that kind of thing, but there are actual groups where they, where they orchestrate kind of who they're going to lend their support to.

[1077] I mean, they never played me on the radio.

[1078] It's not like they're going to have a meeting and they say, we're going to purposely keep shooter out.

[1079] It's not like that.

[1080] Not that paranoid, but, but I do know that they have meetings about where the studio heads and the local community and the Congress and city planners and developers and certain record labels mostly independent the independents have kind of chokeholded out the corporate ones a little bit they've in a weird way especially in Nashville but in the songwriters and the radio people and they have these retreats that they go on together it's like duh like of course they're all scratching each other's backs right of course like the little guy they have to pay like 15 grand to join this group to go on these retreats, you know, and keep paying.

[1081] And it's like, like, it's fascinating to me, you know, like when people are like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[1082] That doesn't happen.

[1083] It's like, if you think that doesn't happen, then you're dumb because of course these people want to, they want to keep their job.

[1084] They want to stay and they want to keep money they're making.

[1085] So they'll do anything it takes to keep that position.

[1086] Yeah, it's unfortunate, right, that people that are in that sort of a position they're making a shitload of money don't realize like man this is kind of bad for the art form itself yeah to do this like the very art form that we need they're selling yeah they want it's the short term victory that they want and it's like the long term like people like us you know like i'm a movie fan like i'm a blade runner is my favorite movie of all time but i'm crazy oh man i watched it the other day how many times you watched it i mean hundreds at least i mean i just bought all these prints, these posters.

[1087] Is that out of a Philip K. Dick novel?

[1088] Yes.

[1089] Yeah, I do Andrew's Dream of Electric Sheep, is the name of the book.

[1090] What a great fucking movie.

[1091] Man, great movie.

[1092] And it stands up, you know, stands up.

[1093] At the end of the movie, the original version was Harrison's Ford supposed to find out that he's a robot too?

[1094] Well, that's the kind of, that's kind of the point of the book.

[1095] It's like the kind of the point of the movie a little bit is that, I mean, it's implied in that, especially when at the very end of the movie, Edward James almost, his character.

[1096] like he's been leaving his origami all over the place but he leaves the unicorn but see in the original one i just watched the theatrical one for the first time i had never seen it the one where um harrison narrates the film oh that's the original director's cut no the director's cut no the director's cut is when he does not they took his voice off and they took the last scene out of the movie where they drive away that's the only one you've seen the one until now which one the director's cut yeah yeah because that's the only one you can buy the minute it was available on DVD.

[1097] I don't know about VHS, but like the minute the DVDs came out, the director's cut saturated the market.

[1098] So like on Voodoo, I bought it, I was like trying to figure out a way when I was traveling on the road in a car and to venue to venue.

[1099] I was trying to figure out a way to, I don't have enough space on my fucking iPhone because the fucking I cloud and the pictures and all this shit and it's always full and I don't want to throw it against the fucking wall.

[1100] You know, but I, uh, the Voodoo app lets me watch movies.

[1101] So I was like, oh, I'm going to watch Blade Runner.

[1102] And then I pulled it up and it was that that version, which I had never seen.

[1103] And then there was a final cut that was made about seven or eight years ago that came out.

[1104] And that one has the deleted unicorn scene in it.

[1105] And what that is is that I guess that Harrison Ford's character has some kind of a like there's a unicorn thing in his past.

[1106] And he has a memory of a unicorn.

[1107] And there's a scene in the movie in the final cut where he shoots that chick that had the snake.

[1108] neck around her neck when he shoots her there's a shot of this unicorn because it like reminded him of this thing and it's kind of like connecting the dots that he has this weird memory of a unicorn in the woods and at the very end of the film edward james almost makes a unicorn he walks out the front door of his house and there's a unicorn out of origami sitting there and that's like edward james almost saying hey you know we you're actually one too so that was kind of the implied but the whole thing is like you know if she's one if he's one you know anyone could be one and that was the kind of you know I am I robot or we all robots like you know that's kind of the the ultimate story but it never confirms that but in the in the book they run away together and she she ends up dying and it's like a love story and he it ends up not mattering if he is one or not because right you know well in the real world that we live in right now that seems like much more likely a possibility than it ever did when blade runner came out yeah man like back then like the idea of a robot that looks exactly like a person like, yeah, yeah, yeah, might as well be traveling to the moon, might as well be fucking, you know, Battlestar Galactica or something.

[1109] Zenu.

[1110] Yeah, but now you, when you see the artificial bodies that they're able to create now, like these robot faces that move and articulate just like a human face, like really similar, some of those Japanese ones, they're so similar.

[1111] Yeah.

[1112] And just imagine what's 100 years from now going to be like?

[1113] In like this, the company that hologram, the company that made the Tupac hologram and the Michael Jackson one, they reached out to me. And I met the guy yesterday, this guy, Gary.

[1114] And I may be going there.

[1115] I have to go get my kids from here.

[1116] And I may be taking them to this guy.

[1117] Because he's contacted me about wanting to do like a Whalen hologram.

[1118] Like, I think that they're trying to talk about getting a bunch of the guys and making a hologram like cash and Waylon and all the hopery and all.

[1119] Who knows?

[1120] But like, he wants to give me the demonstration.

[1121] but I was talking to him about it and he said man you know the shit on TV like when it's not lit a certain way like he didn't like the lighting on the Michael Jackson one he said it wasn't right but he said that when they do it correctly that that see it's like with Michael Jackson they have a body double and then they have this face technology that like that does the face on top of someone else's face so it looks like right but like you don't really have to do it.

[1122] that like it's not cg i people so they have the ability right now they have the ability to do the help me obi one like it i can they can they have one thing that's got these three d cameras and i can be in that room he was telling me a story about an indian a guy in india who's running for uh president or whatever their fucking thing is over there and that that he he he told people he was really rich and he had like three percent of the vote and he set up these things hologram things in like every town and he paid for them to all be over there and said like hey come see me i'm gonna i'm gonna talk to your town and he and he like stood at home in this thing and he appeared in like 50 towns and they didn't even know it was a hologram and he thought he was really there and he never told him so they thought he really came to their fucking shit town or there's nothing to do like you know the little village and it was like this guy and like he said right now like i could go over there and they can have like a hologram thing set up in japan and i could like literally walk in front of the cameras and i'd be in japan and i'd be in japan and and I'd be talking to motherfuckers and totally like help me, Obi -One, or like the fucking Sith Lord guy appearing like talking to Beethoven.

[1123] But it doesn't even look like that.

[1124] When it's in a normal room, it looks like you can't tell the difference from a hologram.

[1125] I will report to you on this after I go to it after I go see this demonstration.

[1126] Do you remember when they had that on television for CNN when they were covering the news and Wolf Blitzer would like stand the CNN hologram, the holodeck?

[1127] No?

[1128] Yeah, yeah, yeah They experimented with it During elections You got a video of it, Jamie?

[1129] Hi, this is the guy, Indian guy Let's see the Indian guy Oh, you found it Yeah That's him?

[1130] It's really long It's like 45 minutes So that dude right there is a hologram So he's not really there Yeah, it's not there Yeah, it's kind of appeared Wow, how's he It would be dope if he fucking appeared out of smoke.

[1131] Yeah, they're saying a demonstration they gave, that guy who was like presenting an award.

[1132] And he was standing in the room and this whole family walked in the room.

[1133] And he was standing there and he talked to them and they were like talking to him back and everything.

[1134] And then he just bust into flames.

[1135] And they were like all freaked out because they thought he was real.

[1136] Look at this.

[1137] Look at how he comes in.

[1138] First of all, how strange.

[1139] Let him walk in again, Jamie.

[1140] Back it up a little again.

[1141] Because that guy's got the fakes Handwave ever I would never vote for that motherfucker Just by the way Maybe this is like an Indian thing But I don't understand Look at that they're introducing homeboy Look First of all he's wearing a dress What's that all about?

[1142] Are you a school teacher You're an old lady school teacher Oh man He's got a theme song too, look Ah yeah, yeah That's hilarious.

[1143] He's fucking waving his hands.

[1144] He's wearing white tights and a dress.

[1145] This guy's a freak.

[1146] He's a hologram.

[1147] He's wearing white tights and a dress.

[1148] He's going to sit down in a chair.

[1149] A hologram is white tights and a dress.

[1150] Oh, so bizarre, man. That's so bizarre.

[1151] Man, isn't it?

[1152] Isn't it crazy?

[1153] I mean, the technology that you can, the fact that you can do that is just like, it's so amazing like I would love to not have to ever do a show like travel to do a show just stand in my fucking people want you to be there though they want you to be there physically they didn't know yeah but isn't it something about actually knowing that the guy's there yeah of course it's like did you hear that band man or astro man no they were a band like in the early 2000 late 90s but they had they had clone bands they had wore masks they wore these hoods so they had like five clone bands and they'd send them all on the road and you would never know if it was the real band or not because they always had the hoods on and shit but they would have like five different bands they would just send out touring oh that's silly yeah you know people didn't know it I know but isn't that like half the thing of course the reason why you pay to see you want the guy to be right there yeah you know like your reputation would be really damaged if they found that you were actually in your living room the shit fucked up and like it like started fucking up while you're doing it man that'd be i would be righteous though if i was watching fucking like you know nish nail the CNN thing yeah see if the CNN thing that they did during the wolf blitzer yeah they only did it during the elections and it's like everybody's like ooh they're busting out the fucking hologram this is crazy wow and he would not you know be in another location and they you know they would appear they started it with uh will i am the guy from the black eyed peas they started with him and then they used it with him They used it, it was at an Obama event?

[1154] It wasn't at a, John McCain didn't pull out the, the CNN reporters did it.

[1155] Let's see like there.

[1156] My mom text me, telling me how proud it she is of me. Pull it back so you can see him appear.

[1157] That's fascinating.

[1158] Look at that.

[1159] Let's make it look as much like Star Trek as we can, the appearing process.

[1160] oh this is great you know we're at the eve of a brand new day in america how weird is that being here in chicago via hologram performer and obama supporter like basically like exactly like in uh in star trek when they would beam people down that's what it looks like right here yeah but yeah but this is it's a beautiful time here um in chicago it's a beautiful time in los angers my mom what's the purpose of this just to show off technology yeah well to just to just to just an added element they did it with wolf blitzer i remember he was uh he was a hologram too isn't it funny though too listen to that guy it's a beautiful time everything's amazing cut to everybody fucking hates him yeah six years later right you fucking piece of shit all of you you fuckheads even will i am right didn't you like run for uh he was going to be the president of haiti or some shit like that no no no that was the other guy the guy from uh i confused will i am with uh what's his name.

[1161] Wyclef, John.

[1162] Wyclef John.

[1163] They had the same guy to me. Yeah, I was about to take that joke about it being Y 'Lev John, and then you said it.

[1164] Yeah, it was this broad.

[1165] Some CNN recorder.

[1166] Another one.

[1167] It's like she's some chick that Will I am was banging, like, 20 minutes before.

[1168] Did you hear the, did you hear the guy, all the controversy about the dude who babbooyed?

[1169] No, no, no, he didn't bobbyooie.

[1170] he he he he could the MSNBC thing recently the Howard Stern thing no what happened MSNBC do you know what I'm talking about there's this guy there's a guy who uh I kept trying to remember his whack pack name on there but like he had gone into retirement from doing prank calls well one day recently on they were talking about the Malaysia air thing and this guy calls in and they're like we've got this soldier from the war on the phone and he goes yes I I believe I saw something, you know, I saw, I was driving, and I looked out of my pastured winter, I saw something, and I believe it was a giant burst of wind from Howard Stern's ass that hit the Malaysia plane.

[1171] And all of a sudden, like, the lady's like, excuse me?

[1172] She's like, so can you tell me what you, like, she starts to do it?

[1173] And he goes, are you guys, boy, you're fucking dumb, aren't you?

[1174] To the girl.

[1175] And they, like, cut the transmission.

[1176] And there was like, and he turns out, and he wrote an email to Howard Stern's people.

[1177] He said, this is how I got in the air.

[1178] He said that he called in.

[1179] He said that he was a soldier in the Air Force or something.

[1180] And they put him on the phone with another guy who then, like, was trying to quiz him on him being legit.

[1181] And he totally said he bullshitted his way all the way through it.

[1182] The guy let him through.

[1183] They let him on fucking MSNBC in this moment.

[1184] And this chick, her name was Crystal Ball, was the name of the chick.

[1185] I was the reason why I can remember it.

[1186] And she was just like, you know, had no idea what to do with that.

[1187] When the guy said, fucking, a burst of wind from Howard Stern's ass is what hit it.

[1188] Like, you know, at MSNBC, like, is there all this trouble?

[1189] Because, like, no one was paying attention while it went down for so long for a couple of minutes.

[1190] And then they cut it.

[1191] And it was like, man, everyone got fired because it was like, I mean, they, not only did he get through, but they didn't even catch that he said Howard Stern's ass for a long time.

[1192] Well, when you're doing those things, those remotes, you have an earpiece in.

[1193] And a lot of times it's hard to understand what the fuck anybody's saying.

[1194] And there's a bit of a delay between them saying it and you hearing it.

[1195] crystal ball i can i can i can forgive her but the guy sitting over there watching the fucking broadcasts or supposedly watching the broadcast when it goes down and it's editing on the fly and all that that guy should have been like uh cut it you know cut it now but i don't remember the some ting Wong when the when the plane crashed oh yeah that was another one four different names and they all got fired because some editor fucked up and yeah it is something Wong did you see that yeah There was something recently, the New York Daily News let some fake story go through and didn't do any fact -checking.

[1196] It was all over the news.

[1197] I forget what New York Daily News hoaxed.

[1198] New York Daily.

[1199] That's funny, man. They all are...

[1200] It happens all the time.

[1201] Yeah.

[1202] People are trying so hard, you know?

[1203] It's like when the fake news comes through, that's like the most real thing we're getting.

[1204] Yeah.

[1205] Well, you know, we live.

[1206] live in strange times where anybody can get information out yeah you can but especially with these legacy media places like that like like news like we're we're getting someone who's live on the scene and like that's like those are targets for people fucking with people yeah it's like because you know that everyone's looking at this everyone's paying attention to this if you can get on there and bababooie it you'll definitely get like some play on the radio show yeah so people will do things like that i don't know how it's penis yeah It's, uh, we're, we're in weird times when it comes to that.

[1207] Yeah.

[1208] We're also in weird times when it comes to those things being relevant at all, because at a certain point time, you got to people, they're realizing that more people are paying attention to online sources than they are.

[1209] Facebook, Twitter, all the above.

[1210] There's so many different things.

[1211] It's like nightly news.

[1212] Like who I mean, I'll watch, I do, I will say like if I'm, if I'm cruising the channels and I'm home and like the five, six o 'clock news on, I'll turn it on because I, because of locally to LA like if there's anything going on I'll kind of be interested in that but otherwise like who watches the news on like channel two yeah I mean who watches fucking seem the only reason why they watch CNN is because of you know it'll be something massive has happened and people want to tune in and like watch it 24 -7 mm -hmm otherwise it's like you don't really it's going away it's going away slowly but surely and also the format is so bizarre the like the the evening news like the los angeles evening news those are the fakes in the world the way he ever Everyone talks is fake.

[1213] You don't get, you don't see any personality, you know, have any connection to those people.

[1214] You know, if you had someone like, Shooter Jennings reads the news, like, man, some shit went down today, you know, and you start, people would connect to that in a way like, oh, this is a real guy and he's telling me about some real stuff.

[1215] But if you watch the average broadcast that's on a local news show, they're so, it's so fake.

[1216] Yeah, and it's so, like, uptight and weird.

[1217] Yeah, and it's just the same garbage dump to you, like, it's not updated.

[1218] That's why people, like, you know, I don't, like, I look at my Twitter feed for that.

[1219] Like, if I hear something's going on or if I, like, you know, if I see something, like, it's like the culmination of all the people I follow kind of provide the correct information.

[1220] Do you know what I mean?

[1221] That seems more effective to me. Yeah, and even then, you still have to process stuff.

[1222] There's so much bullshit.

[1223] It's so difficult to figure out what's right and what.

[1224] What's wrong?

[1225] And then when you have disinformation thrown into the mix, I mean, it's been proven that government organizations will when there's something bad goes down.

[1226] They'll throw a bunch of wacky shit into the news as well to sort of counterbalance.

[1227] Like, there's a lot of people out there that believe that a lot of the conspiracy theorists that like say the most ridiculous shit, that they're being hired to say ridiculous shit because it makes all conspiracies sound silly.

[1228] Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, I believe that 100%.

[1229] I believe that there are misinformation agents all over the place.

[1230] Manly P. Hall was one.

[1231] Manly P. Hall, famous writer, and it wrote a lot of books about a lot of conspiracy type thing, and he was a straight -up disinformation agent for the Masons.

[1232] Really?

[1233] Yeah, he was out there trying to cloud up the religion side of things for the Masons via the conspiracy world.

[1234] And Manly P. Hall is, like, famous, and a lot of people swear by his shit, he was really a mason and he was like in bed with that what did they ever figure that william uh what's the guy who wrote behold a pale horse man we could talk about this guy a lot bill cooper bill cooper man i i love his shit dude and did you ever listen to his radio show but he wrote a lot of really nutty shit about like alien bases on the moon and yeah yeah he got into some shit like that in there but man if you did you ever listen to his radio show you can download every episode of it i've been trying i've been in contact with his uh estate because i'm trying to take the hour of the time is the name of the show and every single episode you know he was killed in the 5th November in 2001 was he he was he was he like in a fight or a gunfight he said on the air he was like look because Bill Clinton labeled him the most dangerous personal radio and he said he said they're going to come after me and he goes and I bet you money that they're going to use the IRS is the reason and so they did they had it so he moved his family away and they came after him for tax evasion and And when he wouldn't comply, they sent the U .S. Marshals in there, and they shot at him, and he shot one of them, and they killed him.

[1235] Really?

[1236] Yeah, but he's, man, that story, that dude is very fascinating because he is the real life, like, dude.

[1237] I mean, in my Black Ribbon's record, the Stephen King character gets killed and everything at the end.

[1238] I mean, he's the real life character of that.

[1239] Like, this guy was out there, and his radio show was awesome, and he was just, like, telling you, like, the first person talking about the Boderberg group, the first person talking about.

[1240] talking about all these people and just laying it out there no matter what it pissed off and eventually it pissed off enough people to get him killed but he but he uh he's very fascinating and in the hour of the time i wanted to take the first episode of it and print it on a 12 inch vinyl because it's just long enough i wanted to put music under it and and and make a record on a record label and i was trying to get the family to let me do that but they were interested but then they kind of disappeared on me have you ever looked into william cooper debunked I've looked into some of that stuff.

[1241] But, I mean, see, to me, William Cooper, I mean, obviously he was hitting on some pretty harsh things if he was killed by the United States government.

[1242] I mean, they didn't.

[1243] Maybe he owed a lot of taxes and he got a shootout with the federal marshals who came to arrest him.

[1244] Is that possible, too?

[1245] Yeah, but if you got, if you listen to his show, he's very sane.

[1246] He's not, he doesn't, he seems, he's very collected.

[1247] he's very smart very educated like it'd be one thing if he was like full of shit but he's not like if you listen to his show he's he was he was very wise to things and he was and he was saying a lot of shit that would piss a lot of people off and i know for a fact a lot of it's true i read his book and halfway in the book i was like bitch and i tossed it across the room the behold a pale yeah yeah there was some wacky shit in there well if you go to rational wiki yeah you go to rational wiki He believed that UFO people were controlling the world, that UFO technology had been used in Vietnam.

[1248] He became one of the stars in the UFO lecture circuit writing books that alleged that space aliens were part of the New World Order.

[1249] He later believed that he had been tricked into believing in aliens, and it was all part of an Illuminati plot, including the JFK assassination and the fake moon landings.

[1250] Yeah, he...

[1251] You know about the Kubrick moon landing thing, right?

[1252] What about it?

[1253] About how the, there's a, there's a theory that, that, uh, that the U .S. government wanted, the, the, the technology that he developed during Dr. Strangelove and he used in 2001 for the monkeys and, in the backgrounds and the way he shot that stuff, that they came to him to film the, to film.

[1254] Yeah, I've heard that.

[1255] And they said they would fund, they would give him unlimited access to the, to NASA and everything for 2001 and fund every film forever.

[1256] And so that supposedly like he was hinting at a lot of it.

[1257] in 2001 and in eyes wide shot, especially in eyes wide shot, that he was hinting to, like, what he'd done in the movie a lot.

[1258] Well, there's documentaries that show all the, the secret symbolism that he put into the shining.

[1259] That movie's terrible, because, see, I had studied all that shit, man, and it's so true, there's such cool shit in it.

[1260] And that movie was, like, they were, like, reviewing, the craziest people on the planet Earth with no frame of reference to what they were talking about.

[1261] And, like, when you watch that movie, it's like, it sounds like they're crazy.

[1262] It sounds like everything.

[1263] about the movie is bullshit because these people who are talking are clearly insane and but the people who like actually did the research before those cooks are the people that it was kind of fascinating about but I'm a big Kubrick nerd anyway so I can...

[1264] Well Kubrick was definitely a genius and definitely a fascinating guy if anybody was capable of faking anything remotely resembling it.

[1265] Reality sandwich is a website reality sandwich there's an article yeah I've read that I've read that yeah I'm not convinced but I'm fascinated I'm not convinced you know I'm not convinced about any of it to me honestly.

[1266] I'm not convinced about the moonland.

[1267] I'm not convinced about this.

[1268] I mean, I don't know.

[1269] You ever heard Bill Clinton's taking the moon landing?

[1270] No. This is one of the best.

[1271] Bill Clinton wrote this book called My Life.

[1272] And in his book, My Life, he had a whole quote about the moon here.

[1273] I'll pull it up.

[1274] Oh, I know the My Life book.

[1275] This is the quote.

[1276] He wrote in this quote, he wrote about when he was young and he had seen the moonland.

[1277] He goes, this is I forget what page it is It just says just a month before Apollo 11 astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong had left their colleague Michael Collins above aboard Starship Columbia and walked on the moon beating by five months President Kennedy's goal of putting a man on the moon before the end of the decade the old carpenter asked me if I believe that it happened I said sure I saw it on television he disagreed he said that he said that he didn't believe it for a minute and that them television fellers in quote could make things look real that weren't back then i thought he was a crank during my eight years in washington i saw some things on tv that made me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time that's fucking crazy that's crazy that a president would say that of the united states would say i saw some things on television during my time in washington that make me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time specifically talking about a guy claiming that the moon landings were fake see i i could totally buy it too because of the fact that especially in the then and where technology is i mean look at us now like we haven't gone back and we're trying we've sent a rover to mars but we have not done rovers are easy yeah the real thing is biological life and space that's the really difficult thing because of the radiation because of the solar flares because of all sorts of micrometeers there's also sorts of things that can happen to someone when they're outside yeah you know you're you're out there in space you're not protected by the environment you're not protected by the atmosphere so there's no no protection from like micrometeers asteroidal impacts like all the different things like when you see shooting stars those are fucking rocks that were in space that made their way down to earth but they gets eaten up in the atmosphere and they burn out yeah I mean the radiation's the big one I mean here's the thing I think that we're going to know and I tell you when we're going to know is these independent contractors are trying to get to the moon Google being one of them when someone else acts someone else besides the government goes to the moon I don't mean the Russian government right around the same time like if someone independent goes to moon and it looks way different than it did when they did it in the 60s you know and it's like oh like really don't float when we walk here you know I mean like then we'll know you know there's a lot of fucking things about that there's you know on that one website with the Kubrick thing they like do this contrast thing where it kind of compares the 2001 monkey scenes to the yeah well that was they were comparing a style of filming calling I think it was called front screen projection yeah yeah something along those lines that's exactly what it is front screen or rear screen or whatever it is it's he had a it's like a two -way mirror and there's these certain kind of beads and there's the projection coming from a different angle and it was able to like you're able to film the actors on the stage at the same time as the background instead adding it later so that's why it looks real yeah the reality sandwich title is how Kubrick fake the moon landing yeah uh you know i think i don't know if this is this i believed in it wholeheartedly for a long time and uh this reality sandwich article shows um the use of this front screen projection method and how uh it it mimics i think that's what's called how it mimics what the shots looked like uh from the moon landings the real issue with the moon landings is how few if you if you stop and think about between 1969 and 1972 yeah that that's when all these took place and that no one has been more than 400 miles above the earth's surface since then yeah that's what i'm saying that's what i'm saying that's what seems so so ridiculous to me not only that how about when neil armstrong he's uh there's a 20th anniversary of the moon landing uh for nassah and uh he he gives his speech or 25th anniversary, I think it was.

[1278] Yeah, that's what it was.

[1279] And he gives this speech at the White House, and his words were, there are great ideas, undiscovered breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers.

[1280] That's the quote that he gives.

[1281] He's speaking to America's honor students, like all the high school students that get the best grades and science and math and all these different things.

[1282] And they're all there.

[1283] Listening to this guy was the first man on the moon talk.

[1284] this is the thing he says there are great ideas undiscovered breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth protective layers yeah what the fuck does that mean god like that's between him and clinton it's almost like if the moon landings were real like they're clearly fucking with everybody yeah begging for people to read into it yeah but if it wasn't real it's almost like poetic how how uh they're dropping these truths yeah that was how with kubrick like they said that in a lot of the films like he was dropping the guilt of the fact that he that he lied that he did this thing and that it's a you know that he was trying to trying to admit it in a lot of the films it is pretty crazy that the last time people went was 1972 yeah like we haven't come fucking close since then not only if we not come close we've never gone further than 400 miles that's that's the thing about every single space shuttle mission every space station mission everything is inside of 400 miles from the earth surface except the apollo missions all those were 260 000 miles and back you know so it's it's hard to believe it is hard to believe and i mean it's like you're like yeah no one's ever going to make it to the middle they're never going to prove it we'll be all be dead by the time they do anyways who cares the big mind fuck for me is when you look at the moon itself like you're sitting at home and you look up you see the moon And you're like, bitch, nobody went there.

[1285] Yeah, you're like, you did not.

[1286] No way.

[1287] Look at that shit.

[1288] That's bullshit.

[1289] But we know that they did go to space.

[1290] So if they go to, I mean, I couldn't believe they could go to space and a fucking rocket from 1969.

[1291] Yeah.

[1292] Yeah.

[1293] I don't know.

[1294] I don't know.

[1295] Look, I love sexy ideas.

[1296] And the big sexy idea is that they didn't go, that they faked it all.

[1297] And they somehow kept it from the American people.

[1298] That's the big sexy idea.

[1299] Yeah.

[1300] That's the fun one.

[1301] That's the fun version.

[1302] It's also that that time was just so filled with bullshit.

[1303] That was the time of the Nixon administration, Watergate, fucking, I mean, that was just lying.

[1304] The Gulf of Tonkin incident, they'd already fake, they got us into Vietnam with a fake fucking attack.

[1305] Yeah.

[1306] I mean, that's widely accepted now that the Gulf of Tonks incident.

[1307] It's a false flag.

[1308] Yeah.

[1309] Didn't really happen.

[1310] And that caused more than a million deaths.

[1311] Yeah.

[1312] They got us into, I mean, that's way crazier than the idea.

[1313] of just faking a trip to a nearby planet you're so right man and you know as time goes on like these things do get exposed that would be a motherfucker of a mind fuck though if they did find out that it really was all bullshit that no one did land on the moon yeah like or that every like what if everything was true all the conspiracy shit was true you know what i mean like you just start finding that shit out i mean look man if if what's his name virgin galactic If you can pay in Bitcoin to get on a fucking trip to space right now, like, take me to the moon.

[1314] Yeah, that's too far.

[1315] They can't really do that.

[1316] Did you ever hear about the fake moon rock that was given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin?

[1317] No, it was fake.

[1318] Yeah, pull it up.

[1319] It's kind of interesting, Jamie.

[1320] There was a moon rock that was given to the Dutch prime minister by the Apollo 11 astronauts.

[1321] and once they examined it, like many, many years later, they were doing it for, I believe it was for an insurance investigation, and it was actually just petrified wood.

[1322] Really?

[1323] Yeah, it was attached to a, you know, a whole plaque that said it was there from, you know, Apollo 11 and Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin and taking this from the moon, and this is the piece.

[1324] And they said, and Buzz Aldrin and Neil said, yeah, this is really for the mission.

[1325] Oh, yeah, that's what it said on the black.

[1326] Well, you know, whoever gave them the rock.

[1327] I mean, it's, I don't know if the actual rock was handed to them by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin.

[1328] But it was supposedly a rock that was given to the Dutch prime minister from the Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969.

[1329] And it was fake.

[1330] Wow.

[1331] Yeah.

[1332] It was, it was during a. global tour.

[1333] It was given to them 50 years.

[1334] Okay, it says The Rock was given to William Drees, a former Dutch leader during a global tour by Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins, and Buzz Aldrin, following their moon mission.

[1335] Yeah.

[1336] The Rock was then donated to a museum after the Dutch Prime Minister's death in 1988.

[1337] And so then after that i guess uh they decided to test it and when they tested it they found out that it was actually just petrified wood oh so fucking dumb yeah i mean who knows i mean maybe it's just like they're like fuck this guy's given maybe we did go to the moon but it's you know rocks are valuable this guy's the dutch prime minister given what you got some shit that looks like a moon rock yeah it's a symbolic gesture either way they either way if buzz aldron and neil armstrong were in the then the moon landing is faked.

[1338] I mean, that's just...

[1339] Who knows if they were in the no?

[1340] But if they weren't in the no, then even further.

[1341] If they were...

[1342] Look, dude, if you and I walked on the moon together, and it was just the two of us, and we came back and were the only two humans that walked on the fucking moon.

[1343] First of all, wouldn't you think that we would, like, look around and be like, man, look at this shit?

[1344] I mean, you don't think we would have been like, la, la, la, whatever, it's a moon, just another place.

[1345] So, by the time you get to this, somebody hands you a fucking piece of wood, this petrified wood, and says you, hey, this is from your moon trip first of all neither one of you picked it up and brought it back because you know that second of all like wouldn't you do you think we would know that it's not especially if our whole life was meant to get to this point and somebody hands you this rock that you're supposed to give to someone that is moon rock don't you think that I don't know I'm not a geologist so I could never even speculate is that whether or not I'd be able to tell where a rock came from well you know for sure that you didn't pick it up and bring it back maybe but maybe it looks a lot like a rock that you brought back and you'd think it was.

[1346] You know, I don't know what the fuck a moon rock actually looks, pull up a real moon rock.

[1347] Let's look, we just saw that image.

[1348] As if there is a real moon rock.

[1349] Well, they definitely got moon rocks that came from astroidal impacts.

[1350] And that was actually one of the big points of contention because Werner von Braun, who was a Nazi, a straight up Nazi, ladies and gentlemen.

[1351] That's a real moon rock?

[1352] Wow.

[1353] It looks like an asteroid.

[1354] It looks like it came from space.

[1355] That's the thing about the Werner Herzog thing, Werner von Braun, rather.

[1356] Werner von Braun was in Antarctica in 1969 before the actual, or 67, one of those, before the actual moon landings took place, collecting asteroids.

[1357] They had gone to Antarctica, because Antarctica was one of the places where they could be assured that a lot of the asteroids that had landed there for whatever reason.

[1358] were from the moon themselves.

[1359] So they collected a lot of these to examine them.

[1360] Interesting.

[1361] Yeah, this picture is a Werner von Braun in Antarctica.

[1362] He had a broken arm at the time.

[1363] I don't know what happened to them.

[1364] Maybe he's thinking about not faking the moon.

[1365] They beat the fuck out.

[1366] Yeah, that's that's that's safe.

[1367] Huh?

[1368] There's missing moon rocks, and they're worth a lot of money on the black market.

[1369] Yeah, I would imagine.

[1370] Fucking moon rock.

[1371] Goodwill moon rocks is what it's called.

[1372] You're going to have a moon rock in your house?

[1373] Five million, that's all?

[1374] People come over, they'd be fucking, they'd think you're the shit.

[1375] Man. Well, that's, there's a whole black market for stolen art because there's a lot of people that just, they don't give a fuck, they just want that art. Whether it's stolen or not stolen, you know, they just, they just want that art. They could hide it and, you know, have people come over and bring them to their secret layer.

[1376] Look, this is from Egypt.

[1377] Yeah.

[1378] This is some shit they stole during the Iraq.

[1379] Oh, that's, uh.

[1380] All of a sudden, it's like Reagan, Reagan and the wolf up there.

[1381] That was fun of, we're running out of time here.

[1382] In 10 minutes, we turn into a pumpkin.

[1383] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1384] We just did three hours.

[1385] Hell yeah, you did.

[1386] Isn't that fast?

[1387] Man, it's great doing this.

[1388] I see why it zooms by.

[1389] It's just fun just to talk.

[1390] Yeah.

[1391] And yeah, I mean, that's, you've got the skill of being, being like, your mind is alive.

[1392] So it's like when you talk to you, it's like it just rolls.

[1393] It's like seamless information flying all over the place from, you know, back and forth.

[1394] I think we started talking about Scientology and did not take one breath and got all the way to the faked moon landing.

[1395] Well, there's so much to talk about.

[1396] You know, that's the thing, the beautiful thing about this world today is there's so much goddamn information.

[1397] Yeah.

[1398] It's constantly coming at you.

[1399] And you can't pay attention to all of it.

[1400] If you do, you'll go mad.

[1401] Like, one thing I've get done to myself lately is force myself to stay offline for like many, many hours, days at a time.

[1402] I couldn't do it.

[1403] I mean, I would be happy not to you.

[1404] I'm happy to throw my, phone aside because I like I run my own business I run the record label that we do with my manager and like like I was packing like Sunday night me and my wife were literally packing all the pre -orders of like our vinyl that we did in boxes and shipping them and shit and we've set up a warehouse and we've done all this shit so like I'm stressed out all the fucking time and I'm in the studio all the time and I got my kids all to it's like when I get my kids I like love throw my phone aside but I would be real bummed if I didn't have like didn't have no if I was isn't able to get on the internet because like part of my favorite my non -stress time is is uh there's a game called combat arms it's like a free like first person shooter game that like online only that me and my manager and buddies we go in there and play and kill each other and like do that kind of stuff or like i sit on irc and talk about shit or like irc dude you're a serious geek yeah i'm on irc all the time i'm on there right i mean i'm i you know sit on there all the time but i go on that yeah late at night i'll go the Bitcoin channels on the free node thing, which is their, there's some kind of communication server and talked to a lot of developer guys and stuff.

[1405] Like, I like, man, it's like, that's my favorite thing to do, you know?

[1406] I don't do Facebook.

[1407] Like, that's, that's, that's, no, I mean, I have a, I have an official page, but I don't use it.

[1408] I don't like do it socially.

[1409] I'll do Twitter.

[1410] I always like Twitter because it's kind of like a one way thing in a weird way.

[1411] that I always liked that communication better but then I got a little overwhelmed by like I used to be on all the time and I used to like do shit all the time and kind of like when I went through my split up with my last X or whatever and there was a like it just got really complicated there was a lot of a sudden there was like factions of people and there were people commenting and there were things it just became kind of like weird in public and so after that I kind of backed it off a little bit but yeah if you go through something in public and everything, like, is subject to other people's criticisms and evaluations with or without any information whatsoever.

[1412] And then you watch it all play out.

[1413] You're like, what?

[1414] Yeah.

[1415] See, right around that time, I had just started to creep into Facebook and started to enjoy it.

[1416] And I was, like, posting pictures of, like, Skeletor and shit that I was into, you know, all day long with my friends.

[1417] And I'm, like, keeping up with my friends for the first time, I'm like, oh, this is kind of cool.

[1418] And then all, like, this wave of negativity hit me. And I'm like, fuck that thing.

[1419] I threw it away.

[1420] You know what I mean?

[1421] So I've never done Facebook sense.

[1422] And then Twitter, Twitter, I kind of, I backed off a little bit on, but, you know, but I like it a lot better.

[1423] Like, I definitely think it's, it's more my speed, but like, you know, if I had it my way, everybody'd be on IRC.

[1424] What I like about Twitter is retweeting shit.

[1425] I like people send me interesting stuff.

[1426] Then I can send it to other people, and that motivates people to send me more interesting stuff.

[1427] And so then you've got this constant network of interesting stories coming your way.

[1428] Yes, that's very true.

[1429] Yeah, there's definitely a lot of dumb.

[1430] um shit and gossip and stuff that people get caught up in it but that's just human beings man human beings love stupid shit yeah they like to be assholes you know and just say oh yeah and just to fuck with you to see if they could get a rise out of you just to get you to react just so that they know that you know shooter jennings is a real person on the other end of that yeah that's why i like to keep it where they think i'm not real just kidding like i don't react no you know it's funny like ricky rackman is a buddy of mine and he was telling me that he's like it's funny that people write you nice shit all day long and you never replied to it but like one guy says something shitty right right right fuck you dude that's why they do it you know it's like that's people there's there's many many people like sometimes someone I never go back and forth with people I just I used to it's stupid it's a waste of energy but I will go online and read something if someone says something rude and then I'll go look at their profile and I'll see even if they don't say something rude to me I go to see if they say rude to things other people and you find out that their whole profile is just doing that like hey asshole yeah yeah I found that out too one time I said something I said that I tweet this was actually this is kind of when I backed off a Twitter I tweeted something about John Mayer being a giant douche because I thought that like he he like all of a sudden like was like all Hollywood and he was all played out of Hollywood and then all of a sudden he buys this place in Montana and he got a poncho and starts scrow on his hair on wearing a cowboy hat and do it all that shit I was like give me a fucking but he's still hanging out at the fucking Chateau in Vermont, but he's, like, putting this image forward.

[1431] And I was, like, phony, more of the phony shit.

[1432] So I just called him out on it, and, like, TMZ, like, put it.

[1433] I remember it was Halloween of 2012.

[1434] I'll never forget it, because TMZ fucking puts that shit everywhere.

[1435] And all of a sudden, I'm getting calls from, like, my, like, my brother and, like, they're seeing it on, like, the Yahoo page.

[1436] Like, the TMZ, like, was the thing about how I called him a king douche and all that.

[1437] And dude, all of a sudden I had, I'm looking at my Twitter and it says I've got like lots of mentions and the number just keep going up.

[1438] And like, and like it was like 15 ,000, 15 year olds telling me what a piece of shit I was and how I was like nobody and I was doing this shit for attention.

[1439] I mean, I've never seen.

[1440] So I just started retweeting all of them.

[1441] Like it was just constantly retweeting all these people telling me what a piece of shit I was, you know.

[1442] But after that I was like, man, I mean, it just scared me to death.

[1443] I was like, I am, it's not worth it.

[1444] Do you know John Mayer?

[1445] No, I've never met.

[1446] Is it possible that he just, like, found out that, like, having a place of Montana is pretty cool?

[1447] Probably.

[1448] Are you friends with him?

[1449] I don't know him, no. I already's a nice guy, though.

[1450] He hangs out at the comedy store sometimes.

[1451] He's actually done stand -up.

[1452] I mean, I know.

[1453] It's easy to call him a douche.

[1454] First of all, he's way too pretty.

[1455] Well, I know some girls that are friends mine that have been real fucked by him in town.

[1456] Like, like, some guys, like, you know, you're going to fuck their friend and then, like, was a doucheback.

[1457] So, like, I've kind of gotten some wind of him that way, and then...

[1458] But isn't there two sides of that, too?

[1459] Like, isn't it possible those girls are annoying, and they hooked up with him, and he was like, you know what?

[1460] I can't do with you anymore.

[1461] And then...

[1462] She was like, fuck John Mayer.

[1463] He's an asshole.

[1464] But meanwhile, he just got bored.

[1465] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1466] He doesn't like them.

[1467] Maybe they're annoying.

[1468] You know, the same type of girls are going on ratting them out and saying these, you know, crazy things about them.

[1469] Those are also the same type of girls that would be annoying if you were John Mayer and you were dating that girl, right?

[1470] Right.

[1471] right yeah it's easy i mean he's too pretty you can say that but you can also say like man i really don't like his music that's true and i really didn't like it his version of free fall on when she was like all these like 12 year old kids think john mary wrote this song and then and so i had i already had issues and i'm sure that there are people that have the same kind of issues with me but it is kind of a well -known fact that that john mayor is a doucheback i mean i can guarantee that it's kind of not news i don't know the guy.

[1472] I don't either.

[1473] I would reserve judgment until I meet a person.

[1474] See, that makes you a better man than I in the situation because I did not reserve judgment.

[1475] I got he, I'm reading this Rolling Stone article and my blood is boiling.

[1476] Because he's bought a ranch in Montana.

[1477] Just because he's like, he's like putting forth this like, I'm, he calls himself the new Neil Young in the article.

[1478] He says, he says, I'm this generation's Neil Young or something like that.

[1479] And I was like, that's what flipped the switch for me, where I was like, fuck you and your fucking body is the one of the, land that's that's what it was i mean it's like you know don't say that don't say if he said if i'm this generation's neil you nil young the nora jones is this generation's like i don't know who he jazz joplin it would it was something something so like that doesn't work it was like something even worse that he said but but i mean just to say that just rub me the wrong way i'm a huge neil young fan and i am as well a lot to learn before you're going to be neil young john mayor I worked at a concert.

[1480] Before I was a comedian, I worked as a security guard at Great Woods.

[1481] Great Woods is a place in Mansfield, Massachusetts that has these concerts.

[1482] And the Neil Young show was the last one I ever worked.

[1483] It was like, this is too fucking crazy.

[1484] I was like, I got to get out.

[1485] Because I thought I was going to get killed.

[1486] Like somebody was going to get killed.

[1487] Yeah, it was madness.

[1488] Because the way Great Woods works is there's a covered area and then there's a back area that's like a lawn.

[1489] And all the security people were assigned to, you know, stop people from bringing in booze, like they'd bring in bottles of wine and stuff like that, bottles of whiskey.

[1490] And also to keep order, like when shit would go haywire.

[1491] Well, the lawn, the thing about the lawn was there's no assigned seating.

[1492] So everybody just sat wherever they wanted to on the lawn.

[1493] Well, people just started fires.

[1494] And during the Neil Young concert, they had to shut the concert down because the lawn was on fire.

[1495] like people would just and then fights broke out and I wanted to I had a security jacket on and I covered my security jacket or I turned it inside out I remember what I did but I was like fuck this job and zip it up and I'm like I'm a normal person now and I got the fuck out of there I remember I go I don't even know if I got paid for the last day of work I don't know if I punched out I don't remember shit but I remember saying to myself very I was probably 19 at the time it was a long time ago but I remember saying this is the last day I work as a security guard and it was the Neil Young show Because it was just so crazy There was fights breaking out And fucking bottles were flying And fire And it was like This is what was I getting paid Like 10 bucks an hour Or something stupid back then It was like this is not worth it Wow That's funny But it was cool that it was Neil Young Yeah At least you go out with a bang Go out with the fucking Neil Young And that's like You know Yeah Neil Young's the shit You know he lives up in northern California He's got a giant ranch Ranch Makes his own diesel yeah and he's got like what he made that he made that new iPod thing he's trying to sell and he's got yeah what is it like it's his own version of an MP3 player right yeah I don't know how you can jump in that game that seems to me like it always seems like a poor business decision to try because if he's not making a phone you're not going to beat the iPod like nobody buys iPods they buy phones that have music on them now I mean there's no yeah it's called a Puyo or a yeah it's called Pono Pono it's like yeah I mean look I think it's awesome technology that he's got some shit where it's like the audio quality is way better but I mean you're jumping in that's like saying is that what the idea is that the audio quality is a lot better yeah is it if you ever tried it I haven't tried it but I know that's they're trying to sell to audio files and that's the idea but no one's listening the music isn't made for it they're mastering for digital quality for iTunes so you have to remaster everything it's it's kind of weird I mean it seems like a losing game to jump into but yeah although you know guy like him like I mean they they they crowdfunded it yeah that's the weird thing right is that it's crowdfunded but can you play stuff from your yeah can you transfer stuff from your Apple from iTunes to that will it sound better will it play like in say yes ideally yeah how much better will it sound though you a lot of time you're listening to it through shitty ass fucking it's supposed to make iTunes stuff sound better I don't believe that quote unquote that's what they've got some crazy algorithm and that's what is going on inside really yeah but I mean you start getting into art this sounds better versus this sounds better yeah it does but I don't like it do you like it you like it I don't like it okay well let's just move on to tomorrow because this is a silly argument yeah but they're pointing out in this article about it that it doesn't mean jack shit if you don't have really good headphones behind it you know it's kind of interesting well what's interesting is that like see if people react to this and they up the sound quality for phones video just died well we ran out of time Yeah, just a heads up.

[1496] Oh, all right.

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[1513] Shooter Jennings.

[1514] This was fun, man. We've got to do this more often.

[1515] Do it again.

[1516] I would love it.

[1517] I'm going to stack of vials for you that I forgot to bring in the vinals.

[1518] Next time you come, whatever, man. We'll figure something out.

[1519] Thank you very much, brother.

[1520] Appreciate it.

[1521] Thank you so much for having me in the air, man. See you guys.

[1522] Dude, that was fun.

[1523] Zoom bye.

[1524] I want to do DMT, man. Okay.

[1525] That's all I can think about.

[1526] We'll go.