#225 - Urijah Faber

[0] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night.

[1] Powerful Uriah Faber has joined us.

[2] Uriah Faber is on a fucking world win tour of the United States doing publicity for his book and preparation for his interim title shot that he's got coming up in a little over a month, right?

[3] With Henning Borrell?

[4] Yeah, right about a month.

[5] You are a busy motherfucker because I keep hearing you on radio shows.

[6] I keep seeing you places.

[7] I keep seeing all these interviews.

[8] How much publicity have you done, like in the last just a couple weeks?

[9] It's been a lot.

[10] And then I'm coming off the show, too, so I was filming for three months, living in Vegas.

[11] I haven't been home in four months.

[12] Wow.

[13] God, damn.

[14] Before that, I was traveling, too, so it's been nutty.

[15] How difficult is that psychologically for you?

[16] I mean, it's one thing to go away for an eight -week camp, but when you're doing that show, it's like 13 weeks, right?

[17] And then you, you know, you're there afterwards doing publicity?

[18] Well, I had a trippy upbringing where structure wasn't like the thing.

[19] It wasn't like you got up at this time and the meal was at this time and this and this that it was like whenever you get it done so i'm not like a needing to have like exact moments in the day so it works out fine for me you just accept the fact that this is what you're doing right now yeah that's what i'm doing i've been busy my whole life right just different kind of busy more money yeah it's more money it's more publicity it's better better busy yeah that is a you know it's a funny thing that people can really learn from it isn't it you know the the the attitude that you have about what you just have to do can really affect the way you feel the way your your day goes the way you interact with everybody you can do the same thing and have a great attitude about it and it really does like it's a choice that's one of the few choices in life that you get you can choose to just fucking this just got to deal with it this is what it is not being a bitch about it yeah i mean the bottom line is everybody's got to do something during the day some people are pissed off about the little things they have to do and some people love all the shit that they have to do it doesn't matter you know it's all about how you're interpreting it and whether you're gonna yeah be positive or negative about the whole thing and because i'm busy i say it because i know that a lot of fighters have had problems with it a lot of fighters get real upset when they have to do uh big publicity tours right before fights especially the important fights they feel like it detracts from training and we we were talking here about you know you doing 15 minute runs on the treadmill and then just fucking jump in the shower you just got to sneak them in right it's hard yeah that's what it takes too you know it's just like you know just enough to make sure that I feel like crap right at the end of it right you know then that's a that's a good worthy workout and you can do that I mean I could do that in probably three minutes if I need to take it up to like 12 and then like you know put it on incline or do whatever I mean you can get yourself tired and push yourself in a short amount of time that's a crazy workout man it's really it's funny everybody thinks you have to go to the gym and work out for an hour and a half but you know you can do some crazy shit on an incline treadmill and you're done in three minutes yeah I mean you could if you're doing it hard enough yeah there's all sorts of shit you can do to get yourself exhausted and just like mentally tapped like in a short period of time so you got to sometimes utilize that yeah so when you're on the road you just think like okay whatever i can get in i get in do you ever do like hotel workouts now i've done some hotel workouts but it also helps i got folks all over i mean really if we needed to we could go after this and go get a roll in you know right right right right something like that and i've got guys all over all over the u .s and all over the world now where You know, if I'm in town, I'm like, hey, let's get a workout in, hit Mitz, get a roll in, do some sparring.

[20] I mean, everyone's always down.

[21] Yeah, that's so true.

[22] It's one of the coolest things about working for the UFC that I even get to do that.

[23] Like I get to train, like Duke Rufus trained me a few times, and Delagrote's trained me a few times.

[24] Both guys are badass.

[25] Bad ass.

[26] Cool, dude.

[27] That's one of the things that a lot of people don't realize about martial arts is most of the people that are good at martial arts, they went through a lot of shit to get good, develops character.

[28] and you're dealing with the majority of people who are really fucking cool, you know, like John Hackleman, cool as fuck, you know what I mean?

[29] So many of these guys, De LaGrarte, cool as fuck.

[30] Yeah, Phil Nurse.

[31] Yeah, cool dude.

[32] Just fucking Greg Jackson, one of the nicest guys on the planet Earth.

[33] Just a bunch of cool motherfuckers in this game.

[34] It's really amazing.

[35] Very few people realize it.

[36] They don't, the key to having a bunch of cool people is having a bunch of people with their ego in check.

[37] Yeah, why is there a reason that's, Especially a guy like, I mean, you look at Duke Rufus and you look at Delagradi, you look at Phil Nurse and Jackson, all these guys.

[38] And they've been there, like, Phil's never broken his hand, but he's got a lump like a mountain on his hand.

[39] Wow.

[40] He's been in fights, and Rufus's, you know, a bit of, you know, bit of, you know, a bit of him.

[41] Just little compounds over time just built up.

[42] I mean, these guys have been through wars.

[43] Wow.

[44] Nothing to prove.

[45] Right.

[46] They know they're badass and, you know, they respect everyone.

[47] Yeah, there's the worst aspect of men is men that aren't sure of themselves and want to convince everyone around them instead you know they want to be uh the the the guy walks in the room and everybody coweres in fear because they're secretly of fear themselves exactly yeah it's the weirdest thing in the world when you see a guy like that get their ass kicked that's right you know it's real real gangsters don't flex much i think they call it they don't have to they don't run fast because real gangsters don't have to real gangsters what a fucking distorted word in the 20th century it's become something different You know, it's like something's good, it's gangster.

[48] That's all, that's all quoted from, damn it feels good to be a gangster.

[49] Damn it feels good to be a gangster.

[50] That's a great song.

[51] One of the best songs.

[52] I want to come out to that.

[53] They would let me come out to other songs when I fight.

[54] They will only make you come out to California kid.

[55] I tried to do it a couple of years.

[56] Dude, we got to talk to Dana and have damn it feels good to be a gangster.

[57] You come out to some old school ghetto boys.

[58] I'm going back to Cali.

[59] That's a good one too.

[60] Why can you do I'm going back to Cali?

[61] Is it because I have to pay?

[62] Is that that it?

[63] No, like they're all about marketing.

[64] I mean, that's my, that's my, that is my song when people hear it.

[65] Yeah, but going back to Cali would be the shit.

[66] It would be awesome.

[67] That would be the shit for this next fight.

[68] Yeah.

[69] Why don't they just mash it up?

[70] Have somebody mash it up for you.

[71] I tried that too.

[72] Dana won't let us.

[73] God damn it, Dana.

[74] We're going to have to talk to him.

[75] That's ridiculous.

[76] Going back to Callie is the shit.

[77] Going back to Cali.

[78] A bikini small.

[79] Heels tall.

[80] She said she likes the ocean.

[81] That's right.

[82] that's a classic man why can't you come out to that dana white what the fuck dude when i first started the wc i wanted california love and they would not let me come out to it they had me come out to i figure what i used to come out to but they're like i was like i want to come out to california love and i always mix it up right they wouldn't let me they wouldn't let me and then i took a stand my first jens pulver fight and i told them i'm coming out to to california love why do they have an argument over what fucking music you come out of it they think they know it's cool i'm like allow me this read this was uh peter dropic bless his heart how dare you peter peter he wouldn't let me come out to californ 11 that's probably come out somebody probably tells him right i'm sure i'm sure i'm sure but i was like look let me worry about what's cool for me you guys just like run the cameras and shit well it's sort of like become you're a part of your thing though man it's a pretty fucking dope song too actually if i had to choose between which song i like better i like that song better but it would be cool to mix it up yeah every once in a while mix it up yeah yeah well i like when guys come out to like one song you know i don't know why like mike brown i like when he comes out the simple man yeah i don't know why just he always does like when matt hughes'd come out to country boy can't survive that was part of the fun of it you know me jo benavitas stranglehold yeah fuck yeah i'd love that song too that's uh that's the song that randy came out to when he fought um mark comber yeah joseph was all upset man oh really stole his thund he's like randy cooed he's like randy coo which where he challenged him on Twitter and everything.

[83] What's?

[84] And then Mike, what do you mean?

[85] What do you mean he challenged him on Twitter?

[86] Joseph is a crack -up.

[87] He made some comments.

[88] Yeah, he made some comments.

[89] About Randy Jack and his music?

[90] That's funny.

[91] So fighters can claim the music?

[92] Unfortunately, Randy can do whatever the hell he wants.

[93] Well, not only that, Randy's 48.

[94] So Randy, Ted Nugit Stranglehold, that was when Randy was young.

[95] Yeah.

[96] You know what I mean?

[97] But he's had some other songs.

[98] Yeah.

[99] That's a fucking badass jam.

[100] That is, especially when you're coming out, submitting black belts and letting people know who's boss.

[101] Yeah, yeah.

[102] Randy Couture, if he had adopted that strategy early on in his career, I think he could have submitted a lot of guys.

[103] Oh, yeah.

[104] Once he started, like, really concentrating with Neil Mlanson on submissions, I mean, he's such an expert grappler.

[105] He would just have to go right to that from the beginning.

[106] If he, like, if he embraced, like, Brazilian jiu -tzu, like right away, he would be a super black belt.

[107] It would be ridiculous.

[108] How about a guy like Mark Coleman?

[109] Malcolm, dude.

[110] I wrote about this in my book.

[111] Did you?

[112] It's called Use Your Head, whatever way you can.

[113] And it's basically talked about how I was at a bar in Vegas with Coleman.

[114] His buddies were like, oh, Coleman, back in the day when head butts were legal, nobody could be Coleman.

[115] And Coleman didn't really say anything, but his guys were going on.

[116] He didn't like disclaiming it at all.

[117] It's tough to fuck with that big dude on top of you, headbutting the shit out of you.

[118] Headbutting the shit out of you.

[119] That is a real weapon, right?

[120] How do you feel about headbutts and elbows to the back of the head and strikes to the back of the head?

[121] Well, if somebody's got me in a position where they can hold me down and elbow the back of my head, fuck, go for it.

[122] I mean, I fucked up.

[123] Right, right, right.

[124] You know what I mean?

[125] It's like you get to that point where headbutting and elbowing someone in the back of the head is like the position you're in, you probably get your ass kicked anyway.

[126] So go ahead and do it.

[127] Yeah, so it's weird.

[128] We got a weird rule system.

[129] you know it's it's kind of vague you know and then the back of the head sort of changed I had heard it was a Mohawk you know it was that now you just got to touch the ear you have to touch the ear like a part of it has to be like here like some part of it has to touch the ear so vague and it's you know and like situations like Eric Silva when he got disqualified in Brazil it was like that was bad that cost Chad a penalty did it really yeah because that ref got yelled at for doing the Brazilian who was it Mario Yamasaki Yamasaki, who's an awesome rep. Awesome ref. But he told us in the back, if somebody grabs the cage, we're deducting a point, period, you know, if it stops to take down.

[130] Then he gets, he puts himself in that position doing the bad call where it was like, I mean, that guy won the fight.

[131] It was a bad call.

[132] But, you know, it's one of those calls that you should have the power to reverse it with instant replay.

[133] Because it was clear that the guy was hurt, that, you know, Prater was hurt.

[134] He was hurt bad.

[135] It wasn't clear, you know, when you looked at it, like that it should have been stopped from strikes of the back of the head.

[136] So then you got to play it back.

[137] And then when you played it back, everybody was like, come on, man. It was just like maybe there was one.

[138] Why don't they do that?

[139] They should.

[140] I don't know why they do it.

[141] It's weird when they have, like, rules.

[142] Like, they just say, this is just how we do it.

[143] Like, and this is how it's written.

[144] Like, that's nonsense.

[145] You have some new technology.

[146] The average person, the average intelligent person would say, well, let's look at a video so that way we could be sure.

[147] This is a career -defining mistake.

[148] Didn't they take that away from football too Or they reinstated it Because when I was a kid I thought there was always an instant replay I don't know I don't follow football I haven't followed it since I got laid Actually You wrestled all throughout high school?

[149] I wrestled all throughout high school I played football too I was my first love Really?

[150] From like third grade on up And I think I stopped following football Once I got laid And it was like Saturday and Sunday It was no longer about watching football It was about chicks Yeah, that almost cost me my competitive Taekwondo career When I started getting pussy I was like, I barely showed up to train And they're like, oh wait, these girls like me Because I'm kicking everyone's ass All right, hold on a second Let's re -evaluate Yeah, I showed up at class once all tan And my instructor was making fun of me I'm like, what the fuck you've been?

[151] I just knew what was up This is right around the same age Pretty girlfriend followed me everywhere I went That's awesome That's a huge distraction for athletes, isn't it?

[152] It is.

[153] Well, it can be.

[154] Can be.

[155] How about the guy that gets all hung up on chicks?

[156] Because there's, like, different kinds of chicks.

[157] There's chicks that will be, like, waiting on your hand and foot.

[158] You don't have to worry about them, this and that.

[159] And there's the, like, the chick that you have to watch out, because if you turn your back, your buddies are going to be on top of her.

[160] Oh, yeah.

[161] You got to watch out.

[162] And that's the kind of...

[163] Those are the ones you got to watch out.

[164] I've seen guys that, like, actively go after chicks like that, and it's just retarded.

[165] It ruins them.

[166] You know?

[167] Some dudes just love sabotage.

[168] Dude.

[169] I think a lot of it is guys also that are unsure in their life, and they're subconsciously looking for something to distract them from all the bullshit they really should be handling, you know, about their own life.

[170] I think it has to do with their moms.

[171] Could be that, too.

[172] Like, they're like going after what they know at home, which is.

[173] Oh, your mom's a crazy bitch.

[174] Yeah.

[175] You know?

[176] Well, that's probably the case because my mom was like really nice and like really easy going.

[177] So is mine.

[178] Everyone else you ask.

[179] But ask her high school friends.

[180] Oh, really?

[181] Yeah, right?

[182] Yeah, that is the grand trap in picking the wrong people to spend your time especially like a relationship.

[183] Oh, gosh.

[184] Like, you know, I was reading about some guy who killed his girlfriend, you know, she broke up with him and he killed her.

[185] And I was thinking, you know, what a terrible situation for that girl.

[186] She fucked up and got like worst case scenario, one of the biggest idiots in the fucking world that so can't handle a breakup.

[187] He has to go back and kill you.

[188] You know, what a fucking loser.

[189] Like, that, that is like, loser defying.

[190] But then you got to look at her, too.

[191] I mean, like, what made her attracted to the guy that was going to kill her?

[192] I mean, it's like, it's some sort of correlation there, too.

[193] Could be, but it also could be youth, you know?

[194] I mean, I've done a lot of stupid things when I was young, and they don't really define me. They just define that I didn't know shit at the time.

[195] Yeah.

[196] I mean, that's the whole, the process of life is about, you know, learning from fuck -ups.

[197] She shouldn't have to get killed because she had a weird thing for, like, some thug life type dude.

[198] Yeah.

[199] Dude, I remember, I mean, I've seen girls get ruined.

[200] I was from a small town.

[201] It was like Mexicans and cowboys, you know, that was like the thing.

[202] I moved there in the seventh grade.

[203] And you'd see, like, a girl just, like, take the wrong path.

[204] And next year you know, she's got, like, a neck tattoo.

[205] And, like, she's pregnant and, like, the ninth grade.

[206] That was it.

[207] Right.

[208] That's a cowboy, right?

[209] No. Where did you grow up?

[210] I was in Lincoln, the Lincoln of Lincoln.

[211] Where's Lincoln?

[212] It's like outskirts of Sacramento.

[213] I moved there in the seventh grade and like, you know, country cruising there's like 7 ,000 people.

[214] Now there's like 40 ,000.

[215] Wow.

[216] And we got a lot with a lot of crap, like jumping cars out in the country.

[217] Like we got in trouble one time.

[218] We had off campus lunch.

[219] And so we'd have, you know, in the springtime, seasons over and all that kind of stuff.

[220] We'd be out in the country driving around, drinking beers on the roof and like doing crazy stuff.

[221] And somebody called in the scumption.

[222] school and was like we saw eurya and will crager and jim cannon on the on the roof of the car drinking beers and this and that i go back and and i had their principal loved us and she's like we had reports that you're drinking beers sitting on the roof and like we were on the roof but we were not drinking beers and she's like that's what i told me you guys going to be doing that free and clear seven thousand people what is that like that's got to be weird growing up in a really small that's pretty small right yeah that's very but you know everybody right yeah Does everybody know everybody?

[223] Oh, of course.

[224] See, that's weird.

[225] I don't know anybody in my neighborhood.

[226] You know what, though, it's good, though.

[227] Is that better?

[228] I think it's good.

[229] Yeah.

[230] I mean, everybody knows, you know, you can't be a slime ball if you're slime ball.

[231] Everybody knows your slime ball.

[232] It's a real community.

[233] Yeah.

[234] It's a community and you're forced to have a conscience.

[235] That's actually interesting.

[236] I don't trust chicks from New York or New Jersey.

[237] Really?

[238] Not really.

[239] Really?

[240] No. Only small town girls.

[241] Not only small.

[242] town but you prefer i would say i i i'm pretty good judge of character but i feel like over there like the girls are dealing with guys that are like that are at a different level like the guys like on on jersey shore a little bit you know what i mean so they have to kind of like adapt and become like hard like a mild version of that which is like a full -on version of like a player out in california yeah the the the kind of aggression that you have to deal with on the east coast is very different there's a lot of douchey dudes yeah like blatant like oh I want to take you out girl I've heard some like funny stories and see some stuff where guys are like yeah I grew up with those idiots yeah you know East coast is a different vibe man it's totally different they're hardened I got my mom and my dad calling me right now good problem and bad problem to have it's like okay guys your parents they were kind of hippie is that the deal yeah yeah back in the day you know, they're, well, I was, I made the 70s, 1979, and my parents were out in Ila Vista, California, which is like the college town right next to Santa Barbara, and they weren't going to college, they were just chilling, you know, my dad was, you know, working odd jobs, and, and they actually met at a restaurant and stuff, but they're like part of a hippie Christian commune, and it's like good, a hippie Christian commune.

[243] How'd they work that out?

[244] I don't know.

[245] I was barely there.

[246] I was like four.

[247] When we left, it was like four.

[248] The communes always seem like a great idea until some dude starts fucking everybody's wife.

[249] You know, it's always that, that's what always, it always starts like, what a great idea.

[250] We're going to form our own communities.

[251] This is going to be beautiful.

[252] There's a movie right now.

[253] What's the movie that's out right now?

[254] I don't know, which.

[255] It's hilarious, though.

[256] It's about, like, the commune.

[257] Like, they stop in, they're going to, like, get married and they, like, car breaks down and they pull into this commie.

[258] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[259] Who the fuck is in that?

[260] Is that Jennifer Aniston?

[261] Tommy, you remember?

[262] Oh, my God.

[263] We're talking about Jennifer.

[264] Aniston movie.

[265] Yes.

[266] We might be a couple of queers.

[267] We're talking excitedly about Jennifer Aniston.

[268] Is there anybody that nailed the female genre more than Jennifer Aniston?

[269] She just locked that shit down.

[270] If a girl tells her she wants to take you to a Jennifer Aniston movie, you go, oh, fuck.

[271] Yeah.

[272] You know, if someone says, like, you're going to go to a Meryl Street movie, that shit could be anything.

[273] Did you ever meet her, Joe?

[274] Merrill Street or Jennifer Aniston.

[275] No, I saw her once in real life.

[276] She had a great character.

[277] She was right there.

[278] It's like as close as you are to me. And Courtney Cox was there too.

[279] Were you looking through a window?

[280] No, when I was on NBC, I was on news radio.

[281] And news radio was like the redheaded stepchild of NBC.

[282] They didn't get any promotion at all until after it was canceled.

[283] When it was canceled, then it became popular.

[284] It was really weird, like through DVD sales and through people watching it, like, on late -night TV.

[285] But we would go to these things where you would have all the publicity things.

[286] Nobody wanted to talk to us, especially me. Nobody gave a fuck about me. I'm on this sitcom that's barely hanging on.

[287] Like at one point in time, my friend Joe, who's one of the writers, would write down on his shirt or, no, I'm sorry, Lou, Morton.

[288] I don't know why I call him Joe.

[289] Confusing the guys.

[290] Lou Morton used to write down on his shirt what the number was that we were ranked on TV.

[291] He came in one day and said, 84.

[292] We were like, fucking 84.

[293] Where they, you know, Friends was number one.

[294] We were 84.

[295] That's awesome.

[296] The president of NBC was on, like, what's that?

[297] Fez show that's off or on Ron and Fez?

[298] Ron and Fez.

[299] I think it was Ron and Fess.

[300] And he was talking about after Phil died where Andy wanted more money.

[301] Did you hear that interview?

[302] Oh, I know the whole story.

[303] It wouldn't have ever brought it up.

[304] Because it's a terrible story.

[305] The president brought it up.

[306] I'm sure.

[307] Well, you know what?

[308] You know Andy.

[309] Andy's Andy.

[310] He's fucking crazy.

[311] But the thing that he said to him.

[312] Yeah.

[313] Oh, man. I was on a sitcom with him.

[314] That guy is nuts.

[315] What happened with you?

[316] him he came is he openly gay I don't know that's a secret oh no he was saying some absurd stuff to me one time I met him and the other time the first time I met him I was at a at a hotel downtown in L .A can't get you to talk like right into that yeah it'd be a lot louder we can be there there we go see we can both hear each other great but on the recording people get pissed to me it was like we were there at a at just a little bar in this hotel and I'm with my manager and just kicking it and he starts like coming on to me like hard and then he's like he's like I'm like saying stuff I thought he was joking and he says how old are you and I was like 27 he's like you're too fucking old like that I'm like wow this and that and he's like being absurd and I just like basically took off.

[317] Then the second time I met him, he was with a band.

[318] Does he have a band or something?

[319] Probably.

[320] He was with a band at the hard rock and I had fought and I was at the elevator and his buddy's like, oh man, we're big fans, some band they were with.

[321] I forget what band it was.

[322] And they're like, come in and meet the rest of the band.

[323] And he's in there and he's shit -faced and he's like, starts chasing me around the room.

[324] He's like taking a piss, like stumbling around.

[325] It's like the middle of the day and he's wasting.

[326] He's like taking a piss.

[327] and he, like, comes out after he's done taking a piss, and he's, like, chasing me around the room, like, come here, little fucker, I'm gonna, yeah, this and that.

[328] And I'm like, jump.

[329] I'm like, whoa, whoa, look at the fuck.

[330] He's like, pants fall down.

[331] I'm like, what the hell is going on with this guy?

[332] So I was like, I just fucking be lined out of there and was like, but he's got kids or something, didn't he?

[333] Yeah.

[334] He's got a bunch of kids.

[335] Okay, well, I don't know if that was a secret, but.

[336] It's not a secret.

[337] Oh, he's crazy as fuck.

[338] I work with that.

[339] guy for five years.

[340] And he's always like, did you bang him?

[341] She were an asshole to me. Did you ever banged?

[342] No, never banged him.

[343] Never banged him.

[344] We got inappropriate.

[345] For the story?

[346] I talked to him the other night and I was saying like, I was like, man, I want you to come back on so bad, but I don't know.

[347] Get the fuck out of here.

[348] What's wrong with you?

[349] He's such a nice guy.

[350] What's wrong with you?

[351] Dude, he's so awesome.

[352] Yeah, but did you just hear what he said?

[353] Did you just hear what he said?

[354] Yeah.

[355] I had to deal with that for five years.

[356] This guy, he doesn't want it.

[357] He never wants to believe that anything's him.

[358] like you're an asshole to me like do you know what you were like you crazy fuck he he he knocked on my door in my room and like and he goes open the door real quick i was getting changed i open up the door he's like he's like you're in there fucking aren't you and he has dick out he was like beating up and i've talked about this before but what's fucked up about it was he didn't even have the fucking didn't even didn't even get hard first you're like look it's like not even That enthusiastic.

[359] This is very, it was insulting.

[360] At least he was hard.

[361] I can understand why he was going so crazy.

[362] But it was disrespectful.

[363] At least he thought you're cute.

[364] He's a talented motherfucker.

[365] What he is is a really, really funny guy, but he's crazy.

[366] He doesn't mean to be a bad guy, but he doesn't give a fuck, which is interesting because most people do give a fuck.

[367] Yeah.

[368] So there's that element of it.

[369] I mean, there's a couple people in this world that really don't give a fuck and are entertaining.

[370] Yeah.

[371] You know, and he's definitely I really love the guy I mean it's just it's just too much work you know I wish him the best but it's just I don't you know the one podcast we have the most plenty when he started talking about how attracted he was to me I was so attracted you my top five podcasts of all time yeah because you're a sick fuck you got some you got problems the chemistry between you two is amazing he means that it's real amazing being around a crazy person yeah but somebody that you know and you know that he's not going to go crazy on you.

[372] No, when I say crazy, I mean, like I said, I would still, you know, if somebody came up with a sitcom and it was going to be me and Andy Dick, I would still have to consider it.

[373] God, that would be the best.

[374] Like, booze them buddies.

[375] I wouldn't, I don't want to ever do a sitcom again, though.

[376] I don't know.

[377] It's hard to get a guy like that a gig, unfortunately, because he's made a few mistakes.

[378] By the way, Joe, that con video.

[379] Didn't he beat someone up or something?

[380] I don't think so.

[381] I think he's pulled out his dick on numerous occasions.

[382] Yeah.

[383] The donkey cum videos on YouTube, by the way.

[384] Yeah, I heard.

[385] grab it.

[386] Everyone download that because it's on there.

[387] It's from, it seems like it's from another country.

[388] It's from, they played that episode overseas.

[389] They're playing the episode.

[390] Well, that's ridiculous.

[391] Yeah.

[392] Then it's on the internet.

[393] Yeah.

[394] That's it.

[395] Wow.

[396] Those silly bitches.

[397] They got so greedy.

[398] They figured we'll just sell this episode to like Denmark or something and not aired in America.

[399] Well, in other countries, there's no problem with that because they drink that shit.

[400] Well, that's where the thing about Fear Factor is you have to, someone has to eat it in some other part of the world for us to serve it.

[401] So like when people in New Zealand, when started drinking shots of horse cum they would sell it at bars like as a goof like you have a couple tequilas and then you get randy like let's have a fucking hot that's a bad news you know it was also horse urine you never said that wasn't horse urine it was urine it was actually cow urine that I never said donkey urine because I would have to tell the truth it wasn't donkey urine but it was donkey cum it was cow urine and donkey cow wow who is the test dummy for that well that's that's really crazy we had some Andy Dick probably.

[402] He's under a cow, just working it.

[403] We had some people that worked for us that had to actually do it as well as the contestants.

[404] You know, we had to get people to test it to see if it was possible.

[405] Right.

[406] So we have PAs, and, you know, they would only get $100 to drink, like, 24 ounces of DonkeyCom.

[407] And I had more money on them, so I gave them a few hundred bucks out of my own pocket for having to do it.

[408] But I was just like, this is the craziest fucking thing I've ever seen.

[409] That's nuts.

[410] I had a friend that was just on your show.

[411] Harsh.

[412] On Andrea Summers, you know what that is?

[413] A little blonde, San Diego, her and her boyfriend.

[414] Maybe.

[415] How'd they do?

[416] How well did they do?

[417] She was 15 seconds away from winning.

[418] Oh, really?

[419] Yeah.

[420] Why can I remember?

[421] What's her name again?

[422] I think has something to do with.

[423] Pot?

[424] You think?

[425] Yeah.

[426] Alpha brain or pot?

[427] No, you know, there's too many people.

[428] I did 148 episodes.

[429] Holy shh smokes.

[430] There's too many people.

[431] 148 episodes.

[432] Most of the time, most of the time, It was like six, eight people.

[433] You'd have to remember every week, four.

[434] You'd get down to four.

[435] And then the next week it would be a whole new people.

[436] And I just, my memory bank would just erase.

[437] It's like, there's a thing called Dunbar's number.

[438] Oh, there it is.

[439] There's a thing called Dunbar's number.

[440] And what Dunbar's number is, it's, what is that language?

[441] We probably shouldn't play this, too, because this is, they're going to, people are going to get sued for that or something.

[442] I assume That was the Donkeycom episode Oh my gosh Yeah do you see the like the size of the bucket that's in front of them We could show it if you want to watch it It is on TV I mean it is on the internet That's pretty intense Are those twins?

[443] Are those blonde twins?

[444] Yeah, there were twins And there's brunette twins And then two dudes that were twins It was a twins episode That's awesome How many his is it at?

[445] 427 Oh by the way It's on more than one Oh, yeah, because the other one was on TwitVid that I saw earlier.

[446] It's on a bunch of different formats now.

[447] I knew it would come out eventually, but, man, it's crazy.

[448] Man, those twins are awesome.

[449] Yeah, they were very hot.

[450] All of them were.

[451] It's disturbing.

[452] I would love to have, when I have kids, have twin boys.

[453] I would hate to have twin girls.

[454] Yeah, I know.

[455] That would be the worst.

[456] Everywhere they go, someone's thinking about fucking them.

[457] Yes.

[458] Yeah.

[459] And they don't even have to be that hot.

[460] Yeah, let's not have this on.

[461] Okay.

[462] I think, folks, if they want to find it, it's out there.

[463] Can we just do the, like, just flash to it right when they're drinking the white stuff?

[464] No, no, no, no. I just don't think we should.

[465] I don't know what the legal status of all this stuff is.

[466] And I don't know what my position is in that, you know what I mean?

[467] Yeah, just a little flash, huh?

[468] Just because I don't know what my position is.

[469] That might be illegal for me to do.

[470] Right.

[471] I might get sued or something.

[472] The show was canceled because of that.

[473] Yeah.

[474] Which, it was a good thing.

[475] where the show is canceled because of that?

[476] Yeah, because of people that have to drink dunk.

[477] I mean, essentially, they had a real hard time finding advertisers in the first place.

[478] And then after this got on TMZ, they were like, get the fuck out of here.

[479] They were pretty convinced it was going to be brought back before that.

[480] Well, now with this internet video leak, maybe it will be.

[481] Maybe it will become this.

[482] You know what, man, I'm happy it's done.

[483] I wouldn't do it again.

[484] I did it, but I'm done.

[485] It's an actual job.

[486] That's what you said last time.

[487] I did.

[488] but yeah but this time this time i'm totally serious because i did try it i took six years off and tried it again not really anyway back to you eurya let's talk about you man fuck me um tell me more about this uh hippie childhood because you like grew up with like holistic medicine and like apple cider vinegar that kind of shit yeah well starting starting out was basically in that hippie commune you know like i la vista it was like you know free -spirited christian like everyone One, like, you know, you go to church, and it's like people, like, reaching up to the sky and, like, people crying and stuff like that.

[489] But that kind of wore out.

[490] That must be really trippy.

[491] It was called New Hope, New Hope Church or whatever it was.

[492] And didn't last?

[493] No, I mean, that, that, my family on my dad's side is first, my dad's first generation American from Holland, and they're really, really strong Christians on the dad's side.

[494] And my mom's side is not so much, you know, my, it's like, not, not anything like that.

[495] So I think it was like a mixture of the two.

[496] My dad, you know, was like, you know, grew up.

[497] He was the first guy from his family to be in America and like in the 70s.

[498] It was kind of like a wild child and stuff like that.

[499] And then like born again Christian after a certain amount of time.

[500] So they spent like the early parts of my childhood were in that environment.

[501] And it kind of lasted.

[502] Some of the stuff lasted, you know, throughout my life.

[503] But it was my parents got a divorce when I was in kindergarten.

[504] So that was like, then I went back to one side kind of having it.

[505] side really not you know wow that's a that must have been an interesting childhood to go from that how do you go from that to being a mixed martial arts fighter uh well the thing is about the mentality is just basically encouraging you to do whatever the heck you want you know and and my parents aren't like you know never had anything mapped out it was always like my dad's like super proud of anything that we ever had done and my mom's like you know always just pushing you to be uh you know the best at whatever you do so this is just what i was drawn to i always used to watch the boxing all my favorite movies were karate movies and then you know all that kind of stuff and and how many kids grew up with you it was my brother and my little sister my little sister was 13 when she was born so it's just me and my brother really you what she was 13 when who was born my sister was born when i was 13 oh okay you yeah yeah i swapped it yeah um so what do they do now My brother lives in Sacramento, and actually, he's an interesting case.

[506] He actually went to college on a scholarship and had, like, a complete mental breakdown at the age of 21.

[507] Whoa.

[508] Yeah.

[509] So he's never really been the same.

[510] It's kind of, actually, in my book, I talk about it, like the whole effect that had on all of our lives and everything.

[511] But he went away on a scholarship, was like the captain of the football team, captain of the wrestling team, went away to, a Christian school got recruited by this church called International Church of Christ and was like trying to live this perfect life like not thinking about sex he was eating less sleeping less he was giving like 25 % of his money that he's working at Nordstrom at a cafe at Nordstrom at the time and like giving his money away and had like a breakdown man we don't really know exactly what happened but he's uh he works with my with my family when he can so like that but it's been kind of an uphill uphill battle for us.

[512] How many years ago was this?

[513] 14 years ago?

[514] Whoa.

[515] My senior year in high school.

[516] Jesus Christ.

[517] So he was this bad motherfucker and then he blew a fuse.

[518] Like he hit the red line too hard, too many times.

[519] Yeah, we don't know exactly what happened.

[520] I mean, we got a call, and we got a call from his boss at work at Nordstrom, and then a family that he was staying with.

[521] We checked in, and they said, yeah, he's been, he's lost a lot of weight.

[522] He was like 165 pounds.

[523] in high school, wrestling 165 pounds.

[524] He was like 130, 125, 130 pounds had been like, wasn't smiling, was like washing his hands obsessively and my mom and my stepdad and my pop and his wife all jumped in a car on New Year's Day in 1998 and drove to L .A. and brought him home.

[525] Wow.

[526] Yeah, that's been a crazy.

[527] If you read the chapter, there's a chapter on it my book that talks about just life's pickups and the uncontrollable stuff and it was it was pretty crazy man also some good stories because after 13 years you know it is what it is and you just kind of deal with you know what life gives you and he's a funny mofo he's funny he's fun i mean he's still really intelligent but it's unpredictable and like you know like we've so he's he a different guy oh yeah 100 % so like a fuse blue and your brother's gone and there's a new guy there now Pretty much.

[528] Whoa.

[529] And, you know, it's been a trip, man. And my little sister was 13 when, when, or she's, well, I was 13 when she was born.

[530] And my brother's two and a half years old than I am.

[531] So she's never really, she's never really remembered him as I grew up with him.

[532] You know what I mean?

[533] As my older brother and everything else, it's been like a modified version of that.

[534] And, I mean, he goes up and has some great times and then has some bad times too.

[535] But it's definitely interesting.

[536] I did and there's nothing they can do about something like that when it's not like is it a counseling issue or is it a physical aspect of the mind that they don't understand my mom doesn't like to call it schizophrenia but that's basically the the matrix of what what's going on is just anything that they deem is like don't know what it is they throw in that category right and he definitely has different signs throughout time of having that kind of you know schizophrenic behaviors so.

[537] So it's just unpredictability, man. It's crazy.

[538] You live a wild, crazy fucking life.

[539] You're a professional cage fighter.

[540] Do you ever wonder, like, you know, I know that just from, obviously, I've never fought in MMA, but I know from seeing all the fucking championship fights that I've seen, all the high pressure situations that I've seen, like, the toll that it must have on your psyche for a lot of dudes is pretty fucking incredible.

[541] do you ever like see your brother and go you know is this possible this could happen to me could I blow a fuse too I mean it's possible for anybody you know you think so oh yeah yeah definitely I mean I think do you worry about it no no no no you can't walk around worrying about life in general he never leave the room if I had a sister that was cuckoo for cocoa puffs I'd go god damn I might be fucking crazy too I might be in denial you know I might just be At least you're successful crazy You know what I mean He knows but Well maybe your brother should get into comedy It sounds like every comedian Irresponsible Hilarious He's definitely has his moments Lost his shit because work was too fucking crazy That sounds like a comedian man And you said he's funny He is funny Get that dude into stand -up comedy You're in Northern California Plenty of places to do it up there You'd have to meet my bro I mean there's there's He's an interesting cat man Yeah Yeah and we all love him And I don't know if he could He could definitely have a couple moments.

[542] I'm going to pull up some videos of him on the phone, actually.

[543] Okay.

[544] Does he work?

[545] He does work periodically, but it's just when he can't because it's just unpredictable.

[546] There's times where he'll go like a whole year where things are straight for him.

[547] Too much stimulus happen or even sometimes a year and he just kind of.

[548] So it's almost like he really did redline his brain.

[549] Yeah.

[550] Wow.

[551] And we don't know what happened.

[552] I mean, we don't, as far as, you know, when you, when you see guys, like, the highest level of any, any sport, especially when it comes to, like, wrestling or anything where it's, like, super ultra -competitive, and you hear stories of a guy like a Dan Gable, you know, you hear stories about a guy who's just.

[553] He was a little crazy, man. Fuck, yeah, he was.

[554] Crazy.

[555] Yeah, I mean, that guy paid the price for it physically, too.

[556] Like, today, he's got hip replacements, and his knees are shot, and, you know.

[557] Yeah, for sure.

[558] Do you, have you ever read up on him?

[559] Yeah, yeah, you know about his sister and all that kind of stuff.

[560] Yeah, she was murdered.

[561] Yeah, murdered by her neighbor, like raped and murdered and stuff like that.

[562] And that was what drove him.

[563] Yeah, he was a demon.

[564] That guy was possessed.

[565] You ever see those videos of him when he was younger and he would talk about it?

[566] You know, and like, he's fucking terrifying.

[567] That guy was terrified.

[568] I wrestled.

[569] Well, I wrestled at UC Davis and we spent, you know, we had a couple different tournaments who were in Iowa, and we went to Iowa.

[570] he was retired from coaching and wasn't competing just old dan gable and we're in the room working out and he's in there in a full sweatsuit with the hood up and he's drilling double legs on this dummy against the wall just drilling him bam bam he gets on the bike and he's like just pushing himself on the on the on the stationary bike and just going crazy no one else is in the room it's just him the guy's just like he's on it Jesus Christ he's never Getting to go, ever.

[571] I think drilling double legs.

[572] How old was he?

[573] Like 60?

[574] Yeah, at least.

[575] Jesus Christ.

[576] 60 -year -old dudes shooting doubles, drilling them with sweatsuits on.

[577] Well, you got to figure, if you get, you're in a repetition, I'm the same way.

[578] If I'm not working out for a period of time, it just doesn't feel right.

[579] Right.

[580] You know what I mean?

[581] It feels weird.

[582] It's probably like some people with smoking cigarettes or, you know, whatever else the routine has become, like, you don't.

[583] feel yourself unless you're like putting your body feel little something and i'm the same way i don't feel balanced i don't trust myself if i don't work out hard if i if i work out hard i feel like my brain is able to to react to things on an even field whereas if i'm stressed like if i haven't worked out in a couple of days and it's all built up you i think you can overreact to things because your brain is looking for some fucking yeah i got to get rid of this pressure that's been building up yeah it's weird it's weird it's weird it's weird the way uh i mean it's just routine you know it's like it's like a it's like an ocd type of i'm not by any any means like an ocd type of person i like like i said i don't i'm not great at structure and i'm good i'm good at like sticking to a game plan but like i could sleep in the car in the car seat i could sleep on the floor you know i don't need to like go through a routine but some people like need to have the little things that they do right that they don't feel right And mine, I think, is just about a certain amount of energy that I have to exert through the day or else I can't sleep right.

[584] You know, it's like...

[585] That's interesting.

[586] Do you think that that is a routine thing, or do you think that your body just requires that?

[587] Because your body is essentially a race car.

[588] Yeah, I think my body requires.

[589] I mean, I think I have a certain amount of energy that I need to get out.

[590] If I get myself thinking about something too late in the night or, you know, like watch sparring or watch something on my...

[591] The guy I'm going to fight, I'm like amped up and ready to.

[592] Right, right.

[593] That's a problem, right?

[594] You have to time that shit out.

[595] Yeah, you got to time it.

[596] And I've been blowing it, especially my time in Vegas.

[597] It's like, I just found myself not getting enough sleep, but it's like not wanting to go to bed, but having to get up in the morning.

[598] Do you ever sleep in the hyperbaric chamber?

[599] I know you've used it several times.

[600] It's one of the things that I really wanted to ask you about, because I'm kind of fascinated by it.

[601] The results of the hyperbaric chamber are pretty spectacular.

[602] Yeah, they're crazy.

[603] And I've gone in there and slept a couple times, but it's only, you know, you only want to do a certain amount of time, a certain amount of length of time, you know.

[604] It's like an hour and a half for this certain kind of treatment.

[605] It's an hour for other types of treatment.

[606] Is it dangerous?

[607] It's not dangerous, but, I mean, I think it's something that can mess with you a little bit.

[608] Like, when you're doing the hyperic chamber, nice face, you meant.

[609] I'm thinking about trying it.

[610] I know, but when they do the change of whatever the pressure, is in there.

[611] It feels like you're going up and down on a planet.

[612] You can feel your ears like clicking and stuff like that and you have to blow them out.

[613] And when they bring the pressure back down, you can feel them popping and stuff like that also.

[614] So I mean, you can feel something's happening.

[615] But the trippiest thing about the hyperbaric chamber was, you know, I started going in when I broke my hands against Brown.

[616] I broke my right hand and then I dislocated my thumb on the left.

[617] That was a crazy fight and a really impressive fight on your behalf.

[618] Because you broke your hand in the first round yeah you know and you went back and you like i broke my fucking hand and then you're like oh right they're both shot and then you're like all right well it's elbows and kicks let's just do this but for three fucking rounds hard well you broke both of them in the first oh i broke the the the first one in the first round so four rounds of that and then the third round i dislocated my thumb wow and a championship fight and you know and you're fighting you know the first guy to take your title in this right crazy fight yeah and I was up a weight too because it didn't have 35 yeah now when 35 when you decided to drop down to 35 you this is like your home now you don't you don't feel like um like you know at 135 pounds this is like the perfect amount of weight you cut perfect you're physically big as big as anybody in the division yeah and that's that's the thing with 45s i mean people don't understand it's like we've got a lot of new people in the sport they don't understand the history of it they don't understand that when I first started fighting, I was fighting the Indian casinos.

[619] There was no sanctioning body.

[620] I was wearing shoes.

[621] You can knee people in the head.

[622] I saw you fighting one of those.

[623] I saw you fighting a king of the cage in a casino.

[624] Yeah, back of those Indian casinos.

[625] And then, you know, there was no opportunity for me to fight at 135 pounds.

[626] I would have.

[627] I was only 148 when I first started fighting, and I was fighting 155.

[628] And then I made a stand and said, I'm going to fight at 145.

[629] But that was like making a stank.

[630] hand to do that.

[631] And I became a world champion up there.

[632] And, you know, after that, it was like I was good enough to be right there for another title shot.

[633] I was able to beat the next contenders and be competitive enough to get those title shots.

[634] And I'm never going to turn that down.

[635] I could have gone to 35s a long time ago.

[636] But I was like, I'm not missing opportunities.

[637] I want to fight Jose Aldo.

[638] I want to fight Mike Brown.

[639] I want to fight, you know, these guys, even though they're bigger than I am.

[640] How much bigger was Aldo than you?

[641] I talked to him.

[642] He said he tries to stay right under 170, and I'm about 154.

[643] Wow.

[644] That's a lot of fucking weight.

[645] And Mike Brown would 166.

[646] In the ring?

[647] In the ring, and I weighed about 153, 154.

[648] Wow.

[649] Mike Brown's a big dude.

[650] He's got smaller now, though, he said.

[651] Yeah.

[652] Was it harder for him to make that cut?

[653] Oh, yeah.

[654] Yeah.

[655] As you get older, it's harder and harder to dehydrate yourself, right?

[656] Yeah.

[657] What are you cutting to get to 35?

[658] I'm cutting about 21 pounds Jesus Christ And when you're You know When you're talking about a 135 pound result You know that's that's a large percentage That's not like a 265 pounder cut in 20 pounds That's a lot You know if Brock Lesnar cut 20 pounds To make 265 That's a lot But look at the size of that motherfucker And then look at the size of you You're cutting You're dehydrating that shit out of yourself Yeah I mean well I've got it down to science It's because I work out so much, my weight fluctuates like, you know, five to eight pounds in a day anyways, like, depending on what I've had to eat and what my workouts are like and stuff like that.

[659] So I swing like that, like drastically anyways.

[660] So it's just about tricking your body, you know, because it's like how much sodium you have in your body, how many electrolytes and stuff like that, what's going on digestively in your stomach.

[661] So if you like treat yourself like a race car when it comes to the training thing and once you're down to weight, You can really, like, gear up just for a workout, go on to empty, and then either go back up from there or go back down from there.

[662] And that's where the tricky part gets.

[663] And that's where I've been doing it for a long time and I have an advantage because I know my body, you know.

[664] And it's, you know, I put on 17 pounds after weighing 13 hours.

[665] What percentage of your body is that at 135 pounds?

[666] I'm an idiot.

[667] You got to do that.

[668] I don't even ask Brian to do it.

[669] He looked at me. I'm going to have my good Vietnamese American buddy over here.

[670] Statistics, Tommy, please.

[671] Drum rolls.

[672] It's like a massive amount of body weight.

[673] Yeah, it's a lot.

[674] I mean...

[675] Do you ever put too much on?

[676] Do you ever done that?

[677] Overmodulated?

[678] The first time.

[679] Yeah?

[680] The first time I did, I put too much weight on, and then I didn't eat much during the hours before the fight.

[681] It was like woke up and I was like bloated and I was like, all right, I didn't eat.

[682] But luckily, like, an hour before I went on, I started to feel normal again.

[683] And that was against Mizzagaki.

[684] Wow.

[685] How much of a pain in the ass is that, that whole process of rehydrating yourself and trying to feel healthy again?

[686] Because I would imagine that when you cut 21 pounds, like when you're on the scale that day, you must feel fucking terrible.

[687] Yes.

[688] That's correct.

[689] I've seen guys where they look like they're ready to die.

[690] There's a reason.

[691] Well, I stop and I drink that coconut before I do anything else.

[692] I'm like, nothing else matters.

[693] I'm going to get this.

[694] These electrolytes and this stuff in my body now.

[695] You're barely hanging on, right?

[696] It's so crazy.

[697] It's like an event in and of itself, the weight cut.

[698] Yeah.

[699] I was there when Travis Luter missed weight against Anderson Silva.

[700] I have never seen a dude look closer to death.

[701] Travis's lips were chapped.

[702] All the water, the moisture, it sucked out of his lips.

[703] His whole body was completely dehydrated, and he wasn't even walking towards the scale.

[704] This is after he'd missed the weight, and he was coming back to try to make it, and he's shuffling he couldn't even walk he was shuffling his face was sunken in and then he quit he said I can't do it I can't do I'm done this is all I can lose they're like you have you have another hour you have another hour if I try to lose the weight he's like I can't do it yeah we had one of our guys in Brazil do that and he he uh Eddie Hoke from Alaska and uh he got down to like less than a half a pound over but that half I was in the I was in the the son and the workout room with him for like seven hours like getting in getting out and I finally give him a bit pep talk about like he was like moping around like shadow box I'm like look dude you gotta hit a mental switch he was three pounds over doing this I said you gotta hit a mental switch now and start moving you can't be sitting in the sauna you can't be moping around it here like if you want to lose a sweet you got to do it so that was a push to get him to lose that last three pounds and he got down a little bit over a half and it was like nothing was coming off you had no spit coming out It's just crazy.

[705] That is so scary, man. It's so scary that you're basically bringing yourself on the door of death, and then you've got to have a cage fight 24 out, you know, 27 hours later.

[706] See, I feel like it's not that bad for me. I cut 21 pounds from when I'm, like, heavy, like super heavy.

[707] But when I'm...

[708] But when I'm...

[709] But in your leanest prime when you're in shape...

[710] When I'm trying to watch my weight and keep my weight within like a striking range, I'm about 151, 152, 153 maybe, and then back down to like 48 to 53, you know.

[711] So that's what?

[712] So at 48, at the lowest, you're 13 off.

[713] Yeah, 13 off.

[714] And then from there, there's the cut.

[715] And I'm like real smart about sodium intake and things like that.

[716] I'll have, like, I won't drink water.

[717] Like, a lot of guys do this whole water flush thing.

[718] I don't do the water flush.

[719] Why's that?

[720] I do, because a pound of water weighs the same amount as a pound of Gatorade or, or, or coconut water or a kombucha or something like that, and you're getting stuff out of that.

[721] So if I'm going to drink a pound of fluid, I'm going to have something positive come out of that, some energy and something that gives my body, you know, something to work with, you know?

[722] That's very interesting.

[723] So you don't drink a lot of water?

[724] You drink water and all this other stuff as well?

[725] I drink, yeah, I drink fluids with purpose, and that helps me get the most out of, have a little bit of energy.

[726] I feel good when I'm cutting weight all the way until, like, the day of the actual way in and then it's like okay the last four pounds really sucks but it's like it comes off and then I feel fine right afterwards as soon as I get something back into me but it's really knowing how to manipulate your body do you use the same principles I mean is there something going on with this where guys drink a massive amount of water up until you know is it the same principle that you use just with kombucha and coconut water and all that stuff you drink massive amount of fluids I wouldn't say that so So it's like this.

[727] You can get dehydrated from either having too much sodium or not enough sodium.

[728] Right.

[729] So if you have not enough sodium, you get dehydrated.

[730] As much fluid as you have, your body's not going to retain any yet.

[731] It's like the osmosis where, you know, water will filter and go to your body wherever the sodium and electrolytes and whatever it needs to fill in.

[732] If you don't have any of that, there's nothing drawn in the water in your body.

[733] It'll just go straight through you.

[734] So I kind of go with that.

[735] Like I'll cut down on sodium quite a bit, but I'll have like sugars.

[736] I'll have like some sort of trail mix that I make myself with like black licorice, ginger snaps.

[737] I'll have like a bunch of like whole nuts and stuff like that, carob chips.

[738] So there's like sugar in there, but there's also like some protein and some fiber.

[739] And then I'll have coconut water and coconut meat from the inside of baby coconuts.

[740] And then I'll have like a little piece of fish or like smoked salmon, something to get a little bit of sodium in you.

[741] and then, you know, whatever I drink fluid -wise, it's like kombucha is good for your digestive tract, it's good, like, helps you break food down and keeps things going on.

[742] It's probiotic, too.

[743] Yeah, probiotic.

[744] Same with yogurt.

[745] So I'll have, like, that kind of stuff, and then egg whites.

[746] And egg whites make sure your body doesn't break down muscle, and you're getting all the rest of stuff to run everything through you, and it's kind of like your body's not taking up any of the fluids that you're putting in.

[747] It's just taking what it needs, and then you're going to go lose it again and then you can either go up or down from there.

[748] Is that your standard diet when you get down to a certain point in weight cutting?

[749] Yeah.

[750] This is all you eat?

[751] Yeah, pretty much, and I'll mix it up.

[752] You know, my diet doesn't vary, very, very, very a ton from when I am and am not cutting weight.

[753] I just, like, eat more or less and then, like, consider the sodium thing quite a bit, which is like a trip.

[754] That's got to be a weird fucking dance, isn't it?

[755] Yeah, it is.

[756] When you know your body, I mean, I've done this since, I mean, I remember cutting weight in the eighth grade, didn't know what the heck I was doing, and then I didn't cut weight my freshman or sophomore year, and then junior and senior year, and then all through college.

[757] Is there a way to cut it out of the sport, or is it just a part of sport forever?

[758] You could have, you could have like a two -hour way in, but.

[759] But dudes would still try, right?

[760] What would happen, and this is what happened in college with me, is you start out doing a real strict diet and cutting weight and then you've got a season where it's like six months out of the year where you're cutting this weight and what happens is you just start losing muscle and you downsize your body anyways so this is better because athletes are doing it two two three maybe four times a year and you can just train just specifically for that fight and then you get to maintain your muscle your muscle mass and things like that because you can bring it right back but what happens in a long season or like if people need to downsize and compete within a two hour period they'll just downsize their muscle so it'd be like the same thing so dudes would still lose weight anyway they'd lose weight but it'd be over a more dramatic time um and they're starting do that with jih Trophy yeah they are they're trying to get people to weigh in right before they compete the mundi al's i think does that right yeah they weigh in right before but that's not the head trauma the thing about striking that makes it dangerous is uh...

[761] head trauma.

[762] Yeah, losing fluid in the brain?

[763] That's, uh, none of the deaths that have occurred in boxing have occurred, uh, in the heavyweight division.

[764] They've all occurred in light of weight divisions.

[765] Really?

[766] Yeah.

[767] And the idea is that those guys are all cutting weight.

[768] And when they, uh, the guys that are getting hurt, like Gerald McClellan, who's a famous weight cutter, he used to cut a lot of weight.

[769] Right.

[770] You know, that, that, that plays a part.

[771] That's not the only factor, but it, uh, that it plays a part.

[772] I, I actually went to a speech that a doctor in Sacramento gave about that, and he, he had me as a guest to listen and everything and it makes sense yeah i mean your body is held in place by a bunch of your brain is held in place by a bunch of fluid yeah and if you're losing a big percentage of your fluid from your body some of it's probably coming from your head do you uh replenish with ivs uh i do yeah you have about a bag and a half that's what's happened the first time i i made 35 uh i i did too much with the iv in like almost two bags there's too much now i do like a bag and like a quarter so what a crazy process man it's fun it's it's a totally different thing it's weird right to concentrate on while you're concentrating on a professional cage fight against a train killer dude it's nuts but you know what it's it's to stay competitive and it's funny because when i got into fighting i they i told the guys i was training with i said i want to go i want to fight 135s and they're like we don't have 135 and i was like well what about 145s like oh we don't have one 45s but it really turned out to be something good for me you know i because i was competing when i was healthy i just felt like fighting i i couldn't imagine going through a season like wrestling and wanting to get in a fight when i was 133 pounds you know you do not feel like fighting anybody you feel like like all right go ahead take my girlfriend of my money you know i'm going to sit over here and and think about food that's a horrible thing and During adolescence, too, that kids go through and wrestling is the fucking, they're starving themselves while they're growing.

[773] See, I didn't start wrestling until the eighth grade.

[774] And then after that, I didn't even know that I was supposed to be cutting weight as a freshman and sophomore because our team sucked.

[775] And it was like, I was the best guy on the team anyways.

[776] And so it was like, just go wherever I wanted, you know?

[777] It's pretty funny.

[778] When did you decide that you were going to make a transition to MMA?

[779] I decided.

[780] They actually did an interview with me after my senior year in college, and they asked me what was next for me. And I've never been a guy that has planned much.

[781] You know, I've just kind of like just gone with the flow, whatever I felt like doing, doing.

[782] But I remember saying, I think I'm going to try out mixed martial arts, and there's actual an article in the newspaper, like the college newspaper where I said, I think I'm going to try this mixed martial arts thing out, you know?

[783] and it was illegal in California and I started coaching at UC Davis I was getting paid like $7 ,000 a year as a full -time job I was busing tables at a $7 ,000 a year I thought it was a lot of money I mean I knew it wasn't a lot of money but it was more money than I was used to you know and I didn't feel like I was working and I started a little business called top line coaching and I went and got some like a little elementary school group of kids that I started training and then I had some camps that I put on through the college that my coach let me put them under my business name and so I actually was working like 16, 17 hour days in addition to training I was doing my full -time gig at UC Davis and I was coaching kids afterwards and then I would go home and I would bus tables at this little bar called Inc and my rent was like 220 bucks a month living there.

[784] Wow.

[785] And, yeah, it was crazy, man. And I started fighting at that time.

[786] I had my emergency teaching credential.

[787] I was going to start teaching some, you know, be a substitute teacher a little bit.

[788] But I took a fight, made $450 or $500 to show, $200 to win, $100 for selling tickets.

[789] And I was like, make that in like a week, you know, that was like my monthly salary was that.

[790] So that's when I hit the switch.

[791] Wow.

[792] Yeah, it was crazy.

[793] Holy shit.

[794] And what year was this?

[795] 2003.

[796] You were how old?

[797] I was 23.

[798] Wow.

[799] So you had like, it was more of a financial thing that sent you into it.

[800] Well, I could have got a job.

[801] You know?

[802] I just graduated from a major university.

[803] I could have actually got a job.

[804] It wasn't a financial thing.

[805] It was like not worrying about financial thing.

[806] Oh, I see.

[807] You know?

[808] And it was like, dude, this was awesome.

[809] It was like my first fight, minute and a half.

[810] I made, you know, almost 500 bucks.

[811] I didn't tell my mom about it.

[812] I didn't tell her about it.

[813] She found out, like, I said, I told her, like, two weeks later, I said, I had the little tape.

[814] And I go, Mom, I got something to show you.

[815] And I sat her down.

[816] I put the tape in, and she's like, what the heck?

[817] And she's, I'm 23 at this point.

[818] I've lived out of the house since I was 18, you know, my own.

[819] And she's like, please tell me you're not going to do this again.

[820] And I'm, like, you know, kind of smirking.

[821] And she's like, you're right.

[822] I will pay you not to do you.

[823] do this again.

[824] And I said, it's going to be 500 bucks per minute and a half.

[825] That's what you're going to need to pay me. Now, did you have a lot of striking training at that point?

[826] Was it all just wrestling?

[827] No, but I thought I was badass, which is important.

[828] You've got to see, if you look up my second fight, my first fight, I tried to hold it together.

[829] It came out Southpaw, and I started firing straight punches.

[830] The guy came to take me down.

[831] And it ended so fast, I was, like, amped up for, like, an hour afterwards.

[832] Like, I wish it would have lasted longer.

[833] I wish it would have done this.

[834] I wish it would have done that.

[835] And so I said, next fight, I'm just going to strike.

[836] And I had this guy who was, like, had been training quite a bit and knew what he was doing, but was just not a tough guy.

[837] Like, I mean, if you look at him and you look at me, you know, not to judge books by the cover, you knew I was going to win, you know?

[838] Right.

[839] And so I just kept it standing for seven minutes.

[840] I beat the crap out of this guy.

[841] It's horrible.

[842] And it's like cat and mouse, like punching them, trying to help them up, like rearing back like this and running at him with like a fist and throwing haymakers.

[843] It was crazy.

[844] And you have no striking training?

[845] How much striking training had you had by then?

[846] Like about my first fight, about a month.

[847] A month.

[848] But not real training, just like knowing I was going to throw punches and like working myself.

[849] And then.

[850] And you just worked with yourself?

[851] I mean, just like, I was, I mean, I'd been in fights before.

[852] I knew I could hit hard.

[853] I had like a heavy right hand.

[854] And I'd been a huge boxing fan my whole life, so I know what it looked like.

[855] Right.

[856] Coordinated guy, you know?

[857] So I just thought no one would be able to beat me up.

[858] I'm like, there's no way.

[859] Really?

[860] Anybody's going to beat me up.

[861] Wow, that's pretty fucking confident, man. What was it like when you had your first loss?

[862] It didn't hurt, but it was.

[863] little disorienting i went in and uh it was against tyson griffin we were fighting in a parking lot of a casino up in northern california and it was like uh it was like hot out and um i went in there in the first round i do like a a superman punch and then i need him in the face and i hit an inside trip and i brought my head to the outside and the king of the gladier challenge guys were having trouble with the cage and they were lazy and so they took the black covering but they didn't put the padding over the steel on the bottom of the cage so I did a head dive as I was taking Tyson Griffin down and just slammed into the cage oh my God and my head just started gushing blood I ended up seven staples after the fight it was eight seconds into the fight so eight seconds in the fight I'm just blood's gushing down my face I've got him in a guillotine and I'm shaking my head like this and I'm telling Herb Herb's ref and I'm like her my I'm busted open or I'm bleeding or something like that so he breaks us in a in a guillotine position and I was all out of shape I mean I was all discombobulated and Ted Williams comes in and I I had sold like 300 tickets this is how I was making money at this time was selling tickets I'd sold like 300 tickets to get here it was eight seconds into the fight and the doctor comes in who end up being a vet and Ted Williams comes in and he The doctor's looking at me and Ted goes, is he okay?

[864] And he said, are you okay?

[865] The doctor said, I'm not sure.

[866] You tell me, you know?

[867] And then Ted said, he's fine, he's fine, he's fine.

[868] And they just started the fight again.

[869] Then I don't remember anything.

[870] I was just going crazy.

[871] It was like a wild.

[872] It was like Herb says it's one of the best fights that guys have never seen.

[873] It was just like a knockdown, drag out back and forth.

[874] And my jiu -jitsu instructor at the time, Cassio, didn't make it to the fight.

[875] I just had my striking coach at that time, Dave Maranoble.

[876] And I didn't know what was going on.

[877] It was like a close fight the first and the second rounds.

[878] You know, it was probably one -on -one for rounds.

[879] And my coach is like, you got to knock him out.

[880] I don't have any knockout, like any serious knockouts at this point.

[881] So I go in at the beginning of the third round and just do like a jumping right hand.

[882] And he throws like a straight right right on the button and drops me. And I didn't go out, but I was like, Like, getting pounded on, and the ref called it.

[883] You were probably so fucked up from the first shot.

[884] It's amazing you were able to fight three rounds.

[885] Dude, that's what Tyson.

[886] You had a bar of metal.

[887] Yeah.

[888] Tyson and I had, like, a little beef after that for a while.

[889] It was just kind of like, because he felt like I was making excuses.

[890] I'm like, I didn't make, because I was telling the story.

[891] Like, yeah, I got seven staples in my head after the fight and this and that.

[892] I was, like, fighting like a wild animal.

[893] And he's like his guys from his hometown We're saying I was making excuses I'm like I understand I lost the fight I'm just telling what really happened I'm not saying I had a fever or anything I really hit my head And he was huge You know he's got about 40 pounds on me Wow Jesus Christ Yeah It's the wild west man of MMA Yeah those are the days man Those are the cage events were pretty fucking nuts man Yeah Indian casino parking lots they would do it if it rained Did you ever see wet and wild Yes What the fuck is that Dude, that was them just not wanting to give money back to people and just let it go.

[894] Yeah, they had cage fights in a casino in the pouring rain.

[895] I mean, and it was a plastic cover.

[896] So you would go out, guys would go out and try to throw kicks and just fly through the air and lay their heads.

[897] Nuts.

[898] It's so crazy.

[899] A lot of people didn't fight.

[900] They said, fuck this.

[901] I'm going home.

[902] That would have been smart.

[903] I wouldn't have gone home, but I would have wished I would have, you know.

[904] Yeah.

[905] You do some stupid, stupid shit when, like you're, when, you're, when, you're, when, you're, When you're hungry, like probably for anything, you know, just hungry for, for success.

[906] You're like willing to do anything for it.

[907] I mean, you see that in these levels and it's just nuts.

[908] Yeah, that shit.

[909] That's fucked up.

[910] I mean, that's one of the reasons why you need regulatory bodies.

[911] You need someone to come and go, no, asshole.

[912] You're not going to have a fucking outdoor fight in the rain.

[913] What are you going to do if lightning comes in?

[914] Is that part of the battle?

[915] Yeah, no kidding.

[916] At least if they're in the rain, they should be able to fight in mud.

[917] Yeah, serious.

[918] Or something.

[919] it's just it's too uh too animalistic you know we're talking about elbows to the back of the head um do you like the rules the way they are now like do you think that uh that that everything's good or do you think that we should have like knees to a down opponent or is anything you would like to add i think you should be able to do knees to down opponent and even kick a guy while he's down because i mean this is a fight the the thing that's so intriguing about our sport is that this is what would really happen if you mess with someone and they know what they're doing yeah this is what you're gonna have to deal with and it is still that right but um you know it's just it's like one of those things where you got a you got to look out for people's safety but you don't want people abusing the rules like putting their knee down all of a sudden and like putting their hand down it's like if you're in a bad position you should be able to have to react the only argument i've heard that's against stomp's and soccer kicks in the ground is the cage they're like if you're going to have stomps and soccer kicks on the ground you should have ropes so you could slide in the ropes to avoid it.

[920] You shouldn't have a spot where they can shove your head up against it and soccer kick you in the head.

[921] Because it's not natural.

[922] You should be able to move around.

[923] You shouldn't be able to use the cage as an actual weapon.

[924] There's an argument in that, that at least in pride, they could see the kick come and they can move.

[925] They can move.

[926] If you're running into a wall, you can't move, you're just going to get soccer kicked in the head.

[927] You know, you could say, well, you should never let yourself get into that position, but it seems almost like you're using the cage.

[928] in a way that probably isn't that safe.

[929] Yeah, I can see that.

[930] And I mean, but in reality, and I always go back to, and that's why I always get on Dominic, because this is really like the gladiator days where it's like a simulated fight to the death.

[931] Dominic Cruz, for folks who don't know, it was your last time you guys fought.

[932] It was a very close decision.

[933] A lot of people thought you could have won.

[934] A lot of people thought he could have won with very, very close fight.

[935] And you guys were set to fight in the rematch, but Dominic recently blew out his knee so now you're going to be fighting Henan Barrow.

[936] But yeah, you criticize Dominic style that's like point fighting, right?

[937] I mean, his, you can't really criticize him too much other than the fact that it's not, I feel like he could have potential to finish some guys, but he doesn't go for that.

[938] And this is really a simulated fight.

[939] I mean, this is a fight to the death.

[940] And Diaz says the same thing.

[941] It's like, if we were in a fight to the death, you know, who would win?

[942] Right.

[943] You know, and at that, on that level, like, I'd like to see guys try to finish all the time, you know, not, like, play by the rules and this and that, you know, like, tag somebody and, like, it looks like you're hurting him.

[944] And I feel like Dominic has potential to do some damage.

[945] He just doesn't know how or doesn't try, you know, to finish.

[946] It's a mentality thing.

[947] Now, this style of fighting where you just go by and get points but still win.

[948] I mean, it can be effective for guys.

[949] Yeah, it definitely is.

[950] I mean, how do you make a distinction?

[951] Like, when do you decide whether it's all about being as entertaining as possible or it's all about winning?

[952] Like, it seems to me that there's like...

[953] I just don't feel like that's winning.

[954] Ah.

[955] So to you, it's not honorable to try to, like, just point your way through it.

[956] I wouldn't say Dominic, for example, is not dishonorable.

[957] I mean, he's trying to do damage and, Maybe he just doesn't have it in him.

[958] I don't know.

[959] But the...

[960] He makes fun of the size of his hands.

[961] You know, it makes fun of it.

[962] We did an interview and he said, I have bitch hands.

[963] You know, because he broke his hand.

[964] That's something.

[965] There's nothing you can do about that, right?

[966] Yeah.

[967] There's nothing you can do about that.

[968] But, I mean, I'm not taking anything away, but I would say, you know, the purpose of this sport is, like, to finish and do damage.

[969] Right.

[970] You can't really knock a guy who's really great at what he does.

[971] you know and he is trying I mean I guess if you get a guy that that crumbles he'd probably finish him you know but I like to go in with a mentality of of let's do war that's brow is going to try to finish me I'm going to try to finish brow you know and it's going to be to the bitter end you know it's not going to be like pitter patting and stuff like that that's going to be a sick fight yeah that's going to be a sick fight dude I was looking at it and it's crazy it's like Like, he has, I think he has more fights than I do.

[972] He's got 13 KOTKOs.

[973] He's got six submissions and he's got like nine decisions.

[974] And I've got 14 submissions, seven TKOs and like four decisions.

[975] Do you prefer this fight?

[976] I mean, if you had a choice between this fight and the fight with Dominic Cruz.

[977] I want the fight that fans want to see.

[978] And I think people afterwards are going to prefer this fight, but beforehand we'll prefer the Dominic Cruz fight.

[979] So I want to give people what they want to see.

[980] And, you know, Domic and I have a history that we need to solve and stuff like that.

[981] I mean, I was really looking forward to fighting him.

[982] But as far as an exciting fight goes, this is going to be a crazy fight.

[983] It's a funny thing, this Dominic thing, because I've never seen you be upset by an opponent.

[984] I've never seen you trash -talk an opponent.

[985] You're usually a pretty easy -going guy.

[986] And when I've talked to you about your opponent, you're pretty analytical about their skill set.

[987] But there's something about Dominic Cruz It gets under your skin Yeah What is it?

[988] Dude, I don't know if you know the history of us But I know you won the first fight We caught him to guillotine But when I, when I, when I First time I met him Was after he was just being an immature little punk And just, I mean I'm like You know, open to be cool with whoever I never met the guy I don't know him from Adam And he kind of chose me as an enemy And in the real world That guy's in my town we're going to do, you know, we're going to do some sort of battle, you know, or he's not going to do that, you know, and we did, and it still didn't go away, you know, it's like the guy's got a chip on a show, I really believe he's jealous of me for some shape or form, and, like, I've sat there and talked to him before, and, like, he's, like, complained about stuff, and he's gotten a lot better, because I think his situation's gotten a lot better, he's getting more notoriety and more money and things like that, but I think he's jealous, you know, and it gets on my nerves like dude you got plenty of great stuff going on in your life and he's got to choose me the person he's going to be negative about is it that or is it just that that's how he gets himself fired up to compete against someone i don't care i don't care i mean i don't care what his reason is to be a dickhead to me right you don't be a dickhead to me period how was he being a dickhead like what did he do well okay so so the first time we fought we signed those posters you know that story where you sign everybody takes home your certain amount of posters that you put up in your gym and stuff like that they give some to charity important people and he was piss his face wasn't on the poster there's four title fights that night and so they put all the champions on there and so he starts signing his name over my face of the posters that everybody takes home and so like that started and then after the fight I beat him and then I've got friends in San Diego I was you know helping promote a fight in San Diego and all I hear is Dominic's running his mouth and like talking crap about me I haven't even thought about the guy you know he's got my poster up in his gym and he's defacing it and just like talking trash and I'm like what is this guy's problem like obsessing like he's got a fucking hard on for me or something you know like dude I could give two shits about this guy but you fought him again and then we fought him and then I fought him again and I felt like I did more damage in that fight and you know that the the events prior to that fight kind of let things set things to rest with us because we had to we were forced to spend time together in this whole camp pendleton thing when we did this crucible and like they were like tugging under our heartstrings about the military and like they put us through this crazy workout and like you know that's when i actually got to got to know him a little bit better and realize like all right the guy the guy's coming from a place where he feels like he's been misrepresented, he feels like he's underpaid, he's mismanaged, he's this and that, and we actually had some good talks and kind of put the beef aside, but I feel like there's still a little jealousy there.

[989] You know what I mean?

[990] You had some good talks and you still like to fuck him up.

[991] Oh, yeah.

[992] And vice versa, you know?

[993] That's really interesting.

[994] That must be a very strange thing to be spending so much time with that dude you're about to go to war with.

[995] Dude, it was weird.

[996] And you know what it happened?

[997] It, like, slipped through the cracks.

[998] It was, like, new PR people, and the Marines setting up this thing that was going to be a, like, a partnership with the UFC and this and that.

[999] And no one really understood the fact that he and I were fighting in a month and a half.

[1000] And they're going to have us working as a team together, like, going through this crazy crucible.

[1001] We did a third of the crucible, which is, like, the initiation ceremony.

[1002] where they put these guys through hell for 50 hours and no sleep and all this stuff Phil Davis rich Franklin Dominic and myself had to go they're like okay we're going to shoot these guns we're meeting these marines whatever the next thing you know they're like we're going to do this obstacle course which is a small little obstacle course go to meet the drill sergeants and they're like you know they were not cracking a smile and this and that they have us start doing this this uh this like short but intense uh whatever it's called obstacle course.

[1003] Then they throw backpacks on us and we start our day marching where they're yelling at us and all this stuff.

[1004] Then it goes to the next thing and next thing.

[1005] Next thing you know it's like 10 o 'clock at night.

[1006] We've been there for like nine hours just getting like punked by these by these Marines and like crawling through dirt carrying fucking ammunition stuff like Dominic heard his, he ran and got hurt his knee tripping over Bobwire and he had his feet were all jacked up.

[1007] He had like his shoes didn't fit So he had like huge blisters on his feet And I ended up hurting myself a little bit I had a broken hand at the time I didn't know I was gonna be doing this stuff I had a broken hand it was like a week and a half old Just a little fracture and I did I climbed the top of the rope I did the pull -ups I did all the stuff because I didn't want to tell My opponent that I had a broken hand Oh my God So it was like man it was crazy That's ridiculous what a terrible idea Who the fuck put that together It slips through the cracks All new workers at UFC.

[1008] And I agreed to it.

[1009] By the time I got in the middle of it, and everybody got in the middle of it, it was like the Marines, they're like preaching about America, and it was like, dude, you know, it was like.

[1010] What were they saying?

[1011] Just like Phil was laughing, and the guy is like, Phil, you will stop laughing right now, you will blah, blah, blah.

[1012] And like, so he's trying to laugh.

[1013] And the other guy says, the other drill sergeant says, Phil, when he says stop laughing, he means hide your teeth.

[1014] and then I start fucking laughing I'm like busting up laughing and then so they're like Is that funny Mr. Faber?

[1015] You think there's something funny about Americans Dying in War and I'm like all right This is like okay This is right at the beginning Wow We're getting like Introduce this whole thing That's a moronic sentence Dude we had to do Yeah We had to do something Where we like we're doing these problem solving things We had to like communicate like one guy was the leader And we had to like get these like big buckets past the ropes and follow these rules and like problem solve and like communicate as a team so like by the end of thing it was like we were cool and then you know we're like he's asking me advice about stuff and and really yeah vice versa and then what kind of advice you give him you give him some shitty advice well he was he was just I was complaining about his mismanagement and all this kind of stuff and and I was like dude just I went through the same stuff he's like I've been fighting just as long as you I was there I met you when you fought Charlie Valencia for the title you remember meeting I didn't remember meeting or whatever and it was like he's like I had this and I that and just feeling sorry for himself I'm like dude stop feeling sorry for yourself do this and he's like well am I on the right track and I'm like yeah you're on the right track dude just chill and that was it and then we went our separate ways and it's back to be enemies what a strange thing that must have been preparing for a title fight with a guy going through this stupid ups of course it's like a bonding experience that you didn't want to have and some guy yelling at you do you think it's funny when Americans are dying at war shut the fuck up I think you're funny right now this is funny this is funny we're not preparing soldiers stupid would you're trying to give you the authentic experience it was intense bro so it was intense did they crack a smile after it was over yeah we all went out and had had a good dinner and stuff like that and uh that was that was the last Dominic guy hung out in good terms.

[1016] Wow.

[1017] Been enemies ever since.

[1018] So this is before the rematch.

[1019] This is before the rematch.

[1020] And how many times do you drop him in that fight?

[1021] I, times where I hit him on the chin and he dropped three times.

[1022] Three times.

[1023] That should be, you know, it should be factored in, right?

[1024] I had long hair.

[1025] Next time I fight him, I'm not going to have my hair loose because every time, you know, in sparring, there's all times where guys graze you slip and you move and stuff like that.

[1026] But your hair goes far.

[1027] And your hair shakes.

[1028] You know, and these judges, I mean, these judges, I don't even want to get started on that.

[1029] Don't even get started because I'll go crazy too.

[1030] Go get started.

[1031] Does it drive you nuts?

[1032] Oh, my gosh.

[1033] It's a disrespect, right?

[1034] I'm not going to start on it because I see all these judges all the time, and I don't want them to be biased against me. But, like, you've got to see some of these judges that, you know, I've never wrestled, never done judo, never done jujitsu, never done karate, never done boxing.

[1035] And it's like, why was my life in your hands?

[1036] And why?

[1037] Because the Athletic Commission doesn't want to change what they feel like they already set in place.

[1038] Because they would have to admit they fucked up.

[1039] Yeah.

[1040] They don't have to admit to these people are, yeah, they won't do it.

[1041] I mean, it's mind -boggling.

[1042] It's just a 50 -50 chance.

[1043] They should have to review fights and have to explain.

[1044] I mean, it's a big, goddamn deal.

[1045] You train for, you know, eight weeks plus for a fight.

[1046] after every fight they should not have to only judge but explain what was going on explain why you thought that this was better than that i've been so tempted to grab one of these judges that i know doesn't know anything and ask them on camera ask them a full interview of like what is an oma plata what makes it what makes it work what makes it not work what is this is this a dangerous position when does it become dangerous when is it not and just like see where they're at.

[1047] Dude, I don't want to say any names, but one of the guys who's the judge has told me that a woman judge asked him, what is what is this guy doing?

[1048] The guy was attempting in Camara.

[1049] She's like, what is he doing?

[1050] She had to ask what a guy's doing.

[1051] And on top of that, she doesn't know what it felt like, whether it's going to hurt the guy or whether it's just a...

[1052] Well, yeah, like, you know, when someone has, they've got an Americana and it's all up here and you're like, you think he's going to be okay.

[1053] He's just kind of twisting his arm.

[1054] And then the guy pulls it to the body.

[1055] You've got to know that that's better.

[1056] Then once you get it to the body, that's like a near submission.

[1057] There's so many guys out there that could really use those jobs that really know what they're here.

[1058] Like a Charlie Valencia, for example, my good buddy who's an accomplished fighter, been fighting for years, knows a sport inside and out.

[1059] He's a veteran.

[1060] Yeah, if it was a lucrative job.

[1061] Yeah, it should be too.

[1062] What a great judge he would be, you know?

[1063] Yeah, absolutely.

[1064] He knows that it feels like to get punched, know whether you get hit on the top of the head or if you get hit on the chin, you know.

[1065] Well, Ricardo Alameda is doing it.

[1066] that now that's great that's what they do absolutely i agree with you 100 % it's just there's people that they might be able to never have boxed and judge boxing you know but you have to study boxing and you have to talk to experts and stuff but i don't think it's possible for you to know what the fuck is happening in a cage fight unless you you have some martial arts experience right and a lot of a lot of grappling mix martial arts a lot of grappling what does that say it's five i can't read that shit brian's holding up his side looks like fucking hieroglyphs.

[1067] Joe, do you ever watch the King of the Cage and Gladiary Challenge stuff now or is it just it's not even it's not what it used to be.

[1068] It's not what it used to be.

[1069] Because back when I was starting, when I was in Glader Challenging King of the Cage, that was the only other show in town, right?

[1070] It was like the UFC and then them and then whatever's in Japan.

[1071] I still watch small fights though.

[1072] I still want HDNet has a lot of small organizations that come on.

[1073] They have, you get to see like Rich Clemente.

[1074] I just saw him fight and I just saw Dave Branch and Anthony Johnson.

[1075] There's a fuck.

[1076] and dude's got a weight cut in this show.

[1077] I've never seen anybody.

[1078] You go up a weight class and then keep missing weight.

[1079] And you keep missing it.

[1080] This guy, Anthony Rumble Johnson, is this incredibly talented guy, weighs about 2 .30 -ish before he begins his cut down to 170.

[1081] It's incredible.

[1082] He's huge.

[1083] I saw him walk through the hallway once in a hotel where we were all, I think it was in Denver.

[1084] He was so goddamn big.

[1085] He wasn't fighting.

[1086] I couldn't believe.

[1087] I'd big he was was like that dude is like a heavyweight it's amazing that he can make 170 it's crazy well i the reason i asked is i remember because it's cool that you do watch those fights because i remember before i was in the wc or the ufc i remember you saying something in recognizing me and and and like being like hey i've seen you fight this and that which i thought was the coolest thing in the world because you know it was like man these guys are watching you know and it was funny because i was at a ufc in sacramento and i had a fake pass made for my buddy Vinnie the hook who had a fake pass all the time it was the best thing ever it was in sack and i uh i had gotten in with the pass and then i just beeline straight through act like i own the place and i'm in on the inner circle with dana right with dana and lorenzo and all you guys and dana's like hey how you having a good time kid i'm like yeah having a good time you know and just chilling on the inner inner little circle with my fake pass oh that's awesome dude it was awesome and then uh like because i was just at a point where i was making a of myself in the lower the smaller shows that you know it made a little bit of sense that I was there you know what I mean right so people didn't really question it too much like you would you watched this a couple when I was on little paper views and stuff but yeah that was the first time I think you in the king of cage I saw you I think I saw you live once and I saw you on TV and that was back when my friend bud owned a piece of the can of the cage so you guys had tapes laying around so I saw most of them Eddie was doing commentary back then yeah that's right Yeah.

[1088] That's funny, though.

[1089] Dana was like, yeah.

[1090] No idea.

[1091] I was just walking around in there like I own a joint.

[1092] Dan's like, you having a good time, kid?

[1093] I'm like, yes.

[1094] Yeah.

[1095] Well, maybe, you were right.

[1096] You did belong there.

[1097] Look.

[1098] Now here we are.

[1099] That's right.

[1100] Promoting a fucking huge fight.

[1101] I belong there.

[1102] Of course you did.

[1103] Absolutely.

[1104] Now, what is the date of your fight with Barow?

[1105] It's July 7th.

[1106] July 7th.

[1107] Oh, that's the same card is Anderson, Silvichel, son, a rematch.

[1108] That's going to be a crazy card.

[1109] It's going to be, they've been moved to our card, which is awesome.

[1110] He's going to make it one of the biggest cards in UFC history.

[1111] That's going to be a huge card, man. Those are two monster fights right there.

[1112] How did the John Jones -Rashad Evans fight do?

[1113] Did it do pretty good on pay -per -view?

[1114] I think it did really well.

[1115] I think they were surprised at how well it did.

[1116] I think it exceeded expectations.

[1117] I think John Jones is, you know, obviously on his way to become a huge superstar.

[1118] Right.

[1119] You know, that's a rare gem of a talent right there, isn't it?

[1120] Yeah.

[1121] You see a guy who's been training.

[1122] for four years in M .MA and he's, you know, choking Lioto Machita unconscious.

[1123] It's like, God, damn.

[1124] Yeah, but you know, his wrestling pedigree was really good.

[1125] He was supposed to go on a scholarship to Iowa.

[1126] And, you know, because he started his family instead.

[1127] And, uh, but he could have been a great wrestler, collegiate wrestler at a high level also, so.

[1128] No doubt.

[1129] But what's impressing me is how goddamn good is striking is.

[1130] And how good God, how quick it got good.

[1131] He's an athlete.

[1132] I mean, it was great.

[1133] It was great when he fought Stefan Bonner.

[1134] He was, you know, his striking looked good, but, but it's become insane, you know, he outstrikes Shogun, you know, outstrikes rampage and, you know, it makes it look easy.

[1135] And that height and reach is so hard to fuck with, man. Yeah, it's crazy, man. Have you talked to him since his situation?

[1136] He's, he's got a DUI, and for those who don't know, crashed into a pole, apparently.

[1137] Yeah, he's, he, uh, he's been hard to get a hold of, like, you know, he's, his, uh, he's, uh, He, like, changes his number all the time and stuff like that.

[1138] I haven't really talked to him in a long time, not since I've seen him in person.

[1139] But, yeah, that's suck.

[1140] I mean, he's a young guy.

[1141] I did an interview, and they read me this thing that he said, like, a week before.

[1142] Oh, he would never get a DUI.

[1143] Yeah, which is crazy.

[1144] It makes me seem, it almost makes me feel like he did it on purpose just to, like, add to the story.

[1145] It's like, why would you be like, dude, I will, I'm so happy to do this because I will never get a DUI and then like a week later get a DUI?

[1146] That's crazy.

[1147] I'm like, what the freaking chance?

[1148] I think it's pressure, man. I think especially if you're, you know, you're a young guy and you don't, you know, he's incredibly talented and the success must be overwhelming.

[1149] Yeah.

[1150] To a few years ago gone from having to be a bouncer to take care of your, your girlfriend and your new baby, you know, and you're really worried about your future, so you decide to start fighting.

[1151] From that, just a few years ago to drive in a Bentley, top of the fucking world, everybody wants to shake your hand.

[1152] The world is stepping forward to John Jones to shake his hand.

[1153] You see him.

[1154] He's got a glow around him in aura.

[1155] That's hard to manage, man. It's hard to manage.

[1156] You know, is it hard for you?

[1157] You know, it's not hard for me because I surround myself with the same people.

[1158] Like, you know, my dad lives right next door to me and all my buddies.

[1159] I mean, like my team of guys, we started together.

[1160] You know, Joseph was mopping the mats at our gym and an amateur when he started.

[1161] Chad Mendez I recruited out of college and T .J. recruit out of college.

[1162] Me and Danny Castillo were high school buddies and I have the same people around me. And you guys all have like a couple of houses and you all live close to each other too.

[1163] Yeah, over time, it's starting to change now because guys are getting older and getting more money and getting married and getting all sorts of stuff.

[1164] But we've had like a little commune that was really cool.

[1165] We call it the block and it's a tight -knit group.

[1166] You know, we have a charity golf tournament.

[1167] We're having a charity golf tournament.

[1168] it's a second annual we have uh that's a week after my fight we have a end of the year banquet where we give out awards and like give speeches to everybody to guys and like give favorites and everybody gets dressed up we have a big dinner and so it's a whole gym everybody who trains there is that what it is it's the whole team and then whoever wants to buy a dinner to come and be a part of it and we acknowledge everybody who does their their little parts and and we have like houseboat trips i mean it's like a real tight -knit crew so i mean it's hard also when you got a guy like t j dillishaw for example who just started training like two and a half years ago and i have a bad day and he's kicking the crap out of me you know it's like hard to get on a high horse you know right right it's like how did you start this whole commune thing how did you this the block how did you uh i thought it's i saw once in one of the uh countdown shows and i was like that is fucking cool yeah what a smart thing like surround yourself with a bunch of cool guys who you train with you all live together right it was it was basically so i talked about when When I first graduated college, I started a little business top of line coaching for kids.

[1169] And my coach at the time, Lenny Zaleski, allowed me to run a summer of summer camps for the college through my business.

[1170] And that gave me like $40 ,000 that went in and out.

[1171] I got to keep like 3 ,000 of it or something like that.

[1172] But then that established some credit and a history, work history.

[1173] And I ended up buying my first house when I was making, on my first house.

[1174] On paper, $7 ,000 a year when anybody can buy a house.

[1175] Holy shit.

[1176] You know, but I was hustling.

[1177] I mean, I was always able to make money, and I filled it with all my buddies to help pay the rent.

[1178] And then my buddy Tommy, who's back there, he works for me full time.

[1179] We knew each other in high school and college.

[1180] He was just graduating and was out of a job where he wanted to buy a house.

[1181] House opened up next door.

[1182] Him my other buddy bought that one.

[1183] And then I started doing better.

[1184] I bought the house next door to that.

[1185] My other buddy, Sanchez, who started out.

[1186] as like my nemesis in college like we were enemies like two and two my senior year he's like put me out of my senior year in college like only got to make me cry in competition because it's like the end of my college career he ends up coming and taking my spot at uc davis and living with me rent in a room wow and then he starts managing my gym and then we bought another house right there together i put the down payment he makes the payments and he started a little business in there this is all my book you're going to love my book by the way it's it's money Laws of the Ring.

[1187] But, so he starts the name of it for everybody?

[1188] The business.

[1189] The book.

[1190] Oh, the book's Laws of the Ring.

[1191] Laws of the Ring.

[1192] Yeah, and it's all these theories about community and personal credit and positive attitude.

[1193] That's the, that's a motivational book.

[1194] Really?

[1195] Yeah.

[1196] Awesome.

[1197] So it's not just, this is how I, you know, became successful.

[1198] No. There it is right there.

[1199] And so, so Sanchez starts this, starts this company in one of our, garages like maintaining bank -owned property lawns and next thing you know he's the largest company in the u .s right now for that he's just caked out fat cat he just becomes like a crazy lawnmower guy he's he's mowing lawns from Hawaii to Iowa to Indiana he they do like 30 you know 3 ,000 or 35 ,000 some stupid number and uh wow that's all on the block and we've had all sorts of stuff that's come off the block.

[1200] Chad Mendez lives on the block.

[1201] T .J. Dillishaw.

[1202] We've had like 30 guys.

[1203] Korean Zombie came and stayed out there.

[1204] How many houses is it?

[1205] It's four houses right next to each other.

[1206] And then there's one house that's my college buddy that's about a block and a half away.

[1207] That's so badass to have so many people around you that you can count on all a time too.

[1208] You know?

[1209] It's crazy.

[1210] Yeah.

[1211] You train with.

[1212] You know them.

[1213] You can count on them.

[1214] Yeah.

[1215] That's awesome.

[1216] It's cost me some money over the years.

[1217] Like being the bank for these guys, not, you know, guys not always to pay rent and stuff like that, but, I mean, it built something today that's super solid.

[1218] I mean, our team now is one of the top in the world, and, you know, it was all part of that, carpool into the gym, and, you know, if you need to go, you have no food, go to one of the houses and take somebody else's, you know, I mean, it's been pretty cool, man, as long as everybody's actually contributing, right?

[1219] And everybody has a place and a function and a part of it.

[1220] Yeah.

[1221] Now, you have a gym, you have your own gym set up.

[1222] What is your gym called?

[1223] It's ultimate fitness.

[1224] Ultimate fitness.

[1225] And regular people can go and train there as well.

[1226] It's like you have classes and shit.

[1227] Yeah, we have like, you know, quite a few, quite a few members, like 400 -something members.

[1228] And it's been around five years now.

[1229] We've, you know, grown it.

[1230] It's got a great reputation.

[1231] It's pretty bad.

[1232] Do you, are you the one who's managing everything?

[1233] Like, do you make your own training schedule?

[1234] Do you put everything together?

[1235] or do you have like an MMA coach who handles, like, when you're going to do Muay, when you're going to wrestle, when you're going to combine them?

[1236] Do you have someone who analyzes you?

[1237] We have like a team schedule, and then I have my individual coaches.

[1238] Like I have a jiu -jitsu coach.

[1239] I have Master Tong who's my stand -up coach, and we have set times with our team where we have our team practices that are pretty structured, and then we have our individual stuff that we do outside of it.

[1240] So I'll do, you know, the set practices, which are the pro practices, three days a week in the morning and then two days of sparring and then we have two days of jiu -jitsu and then everything else is kind of miss and match we have a wrestling class for guys that need to do more wrestling but you don't have a person who sets it all up for you you do it all for yourself yeah much you um you set your own uh strength and conditioning schedule or do you bring in a guy for that i've got a guy well i've got individual coaches for everything i've got uh russell dunning's my strength and conditioning guy he's my physical therapist and how do you decide like when you go to him when you do moitai how do you do it by your body do you do it by what you know from your experience i set a general schedule and then listen to my body outside of that so if i feel like i need to do more or less i'll do more or less but um like said a general schedule that i know is always going to be there and then if i need to take a day off i'll just let someone know or if i need to do more i'll just call someone up and we all kind of do that same thing at the team you know it's like uh we have all these different things available and you can hit them all that's what that's what makes our team really unique is we're training all year round if you don't have a fight and you're in town like you just go to practice you know it's that's what you do everybody trains nobody takes time off and gets fat and stupid you can't you can't you can't anymore right you can't everyone has to be improving too right yeah this is the biggest gains like that isn't it incredible for you to watch when you started fighting to today and see the crazy the sport has become i remember when i used to watch you know when i saw your fights in king of the cage or back in that day nobody knew what the fuck cage fighting was no it was crazy i was like embarrassed it wasn't like you could pick up chick at least the chicks i like you couldn't pick up chicks by tom you're a cage fighter no they would think you're a piece of shit like a dog you're a human dog keep that on the d l yeah they get to know you better now it's like chic you know i saw this uh video with charliez theron and she was talking about how much she loves the ufc and i was like how fucking i just saw that on a tweet did you tweet that no no no no it's on the underground it was uh might have well a lot of people tweeted i think because the the video was her on uh the conan o 'brien show you know she's talking about how much she loves watching fighting and you can see conan like he's a little bit uncomfortable with it you know because like when chicks start talking about like fucking savage men beating the fuck a guy like Conan, like, oh, to, huh, yeah.

[1241] He doesn't even want to know dudes like that exist.

[1242] He certainly doesn't want them to be coming out of the mouth of one of the most beautiful women in the world when he's trying to impress her.

[1243] Hey, that's Mother Nature, though.

[1244] It's a bitch.

[1245] Goes back to the old instincts.

[1246] The wounded antelope that's traced by the waterhole.

[1247] You can't live forever, bitch.

[1248] It is what it is.

[1249] How did you come up with the name, Alpha Male?

[1250] Alpha Male, well, I was a human development major.

[1251] And I just was studying all this different stuff in school, and I just liked what it represented.

[1252] You know, I, you know, took cultural anthropology and physical anthropology and all these different development classes and stuff like that.

[1253] Like, my whole study was just about people, you know, and in things and how things happened, you know.

[1254] And I remember learning about these birds, like there's this, like, certain type of bird where these three birds land and the two sidekicks, they all do this dance.

[1255] together and then the two sidekicks kick rocks and the middle one gets laid you know it's like it's choreographed and like these guys might have their opportunity at some time when it steps up and it's their turn and then they talk about like these packs of wolves that work together as a team and then there's like the the big macho gorilla that that like is spreading a seed and there's like the little sneak dick monkeys they're like when the guys not look at he runs in and gets his hump in and like all this different crazy stuff and like it was just interesting to me about how in humans there's just alpha males in every category i mean there's an alpha male ballerina there's an alpha male uh freaking gay dude there's an alpha male you know whatever there's just like the top dog in every category and it's kind of trips me out of how they are but it takes like being smart being good looking being persuasive being you know hard working and being you know all these great things and i figured dude that's the shit it is honest in its approach i mean that is what everybody is trying to do whereas you know you can you can name it a bunch of different things but yeah it is trying to be the alpha male yeah it's been the connotation the word is sort of changed lately it's gotten uh it's become a tad douchy the word alpha yeah you know it's like a dude that's so alpha you know like people like rag on you from that you never heard anybody say that no that's people say that online a lot like to rag on you for something yeah dude that's so beta you're a beta you're being a beta you know alpha and beta is like uh it's a it's a very i don't know Right, Brian?

[1256] It's kind of recent.

[1257] I mean, I say that, obviously, because we have alpha brain.

[1258] It opens itself up to criticism.

[1259] That is what you're doing, man. You're alpha male and the motherfucking shit out of dudes.

[1260] Yeah, and I mean, basically, that's what it comes down.

[1261] It takes all that.

[1262] So it takes, like, intelligence, athleticism, hard work, dedication.

[1263] And, like, you know, the guys that rise to the top in anything are, you know, made up of that same stuff, whether it's, like, the top writer, the top journalist, the top anything.

[1264] They are.

[1265] but I think that one of the most difficult past in the world is the one that you've found success in.

[1266] I think you are in one of the most difficult businesses on the planet Earth.

[1267] It's rough.

[1268] If it's not physically, it's mentally taxing, it's financially taxing when you're getting going.

[1269] And that's the crazy thing.

[1270] Actually, I want to talk about that.

[1271] I've got a new thing that Phil Davis and I are starting called MMA Draft, and we've been working on it for a long time.

[1272] But it's basically going to create opportunities for these up -and -comers.

[1273] It's like M .M .A. draft is going to take a guy like Phil Davis who's a national champion and start following his career when he's a kid give him opportunity to like shine as a kid and be like these are the top MMA prospects start covering all these different amateur sides of jiu -jitsu wrestling uh I think we should even cover some soccer stuff and there's so many soccer athletes coming in there is it funny kicking yeah just the dexterity with the legs and stuff like that but they need to start we need to start finding like the next tiger woods and lebron james and michael jordan's of our sport and watch him grow up his kids so that when a guy like phil or a guy like uh you know chad mendes who's a national finalist or lance palmer who's a national finest in wrestling doesn't have to wash dishes and mow lawns for the first four or five fights before there's an opportunity there right right so we're developing this whole uh website where we're we're having criteria and we're having like profiles and we're going to create some ourselves and do our scouting and like cover events of kids from youth all the way through you know the international wrestling that's awesome jihitsu and kickboxing and in amateur leagues dude it's going to be crazy we have a temporary setup right now you can check it out and what is it uh mhmadraft dot com yeah but i've been working on it it's good it's going to be sweet and one more time your book is laws of the ring laws of the ring and they can get that on amazon Amazon.

[1274] I'm actually doing a signing tonight at Barnes and Nobles and Huntington Beach.

[1275] You're leaving right now to go to that.

[1276] Because you're going to have to get on the fucking terrible highway of 5 o 'clock in Los Angeles.

[1277] Yeah, that's rough.

[1278] So Barnes & Noble, Huntington Beach, 7 o 'clock.

[1279] Yep.

[1280] Go meet your eye of favor.

[1281] Get your heartbroken.

[1282] Dude, it was awesome.

[1283] Really fun interview.

[1284] Thank you very much.

[1285] Great fucking stories.

[1286] And best of luck in the Baralfite.

[1287] I can't wait to see it, man. It's going to be awesome.

[1288] All right.

[1289] One more little plug here to my guys.

[1290] I'm working on this new brand of equipment and lifestyle stuff called TORC.

[1291] We're going to come out with all sorts of new badass stuff.

[1292] So keep your eye open for that.

[1293] The TORC1 .net is in the makes right now.

[1294] We're going to have mats.

[1295] We're going to have gloves.

[1296] It's going to be awesome.

[1297] And what is your main website?

[1298] Tork1 .net.

[1299] And my partner is actually the guy that started BSN, Scott James, and he's an incredible businessman.

[1300] He sold that company for a lot of cash.

[1301] And he just loves MMA.

[1302] And so that's who I'm going to be rocking from here on now.

[1303] Boom.

[1304] And make sure you follow your raya on twitter it's your raya faber you could spell a bitch google it if you can i'm tired explaining things you people uh thank you to the flesh life for sponsoring our podcast go to joe rogan click on the link enter in the code name rogan save yourself 15 % thank you to on it dot com and again click on the link on joe rogan dot net enter in the code name rogan enter in the code name rogan save yourself 10 % off we will be back tomorrow with john anthony west That'll be the last podcast of the week.

[1305] But we also have the Ice House Chronicles.

[1306] We did one last night.

[1307] It was fucking awesome.

[1308] And we do them almost every time we have a show here at the Ice House.

[1309] They're available if you subscribe to Death Squad on iTunes.

[1310] And they're also available usually on my U -Stream, but sometimes on red bands as well.

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[1316] Hell, yeah.

[1317] You got one of those, Brian?

[1318] I can show people right now.

[1319] Yeah, right behind you on the Storm Trooper.

[1320] Look at that.

[1321] Folks, can you see that shit?

[1322] It's pretty sporty.

[1323] And we have Eliza Friday.

[1324] Oh, Eliza Slusher is coming.

[1325] Who else is coming?

[1326] We have Justin Martindale, Sam Tripley.

[1327] Randy's coming back.

[1328] Oh, shit.

[1329] Oh, and Johnny Rotten's coming, too.

[1330] He's going to come and sit in.

[1331] And I'm trying to get Chris McGuire to come and hang with us as well and sit in on the podcast.

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[1337] We'll see you dirty bitches tomorrow with one of my personal heroes, John Anthony West, the great Egyptologist.

[1338] We're going to fucking get to the bottom of shit.

[1339] And then we'll see you later on that night at the Ice House Chronicles.

[1340] I talk too much.

[1341] Bye.

[1342] Bye.