35 - A Small Foreign Faction

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[15] Goodbye.

[16] Shall we?

[17] Oh, yeah.

[18] See, okay?

[19] Yeah.

[20] What was going to your mind just now?

[21] Oh, I was thinking about my old roommate who used to scream sneeze, and I was getting legitimately angry about the amount of time I spent with people I didn't like in the 90s because I was on drugs and drink.

[22] Maybe you were on drugs and drink because you couldn't stand the most of the people you were around.

[23] I think that had a lot to do with it, and yet I felt very, like, suit, fakingly loyal or something or, like, I was supposed to make it work out somehow.

[24] But if you're friends with the scream sneezer, cancel the friendship immediately.

[25] It's the most obnoxious habit in the world.

[26] Like, what happened to you that you need attention when you sneeze?

[27] My mom.

[28] What happened to her?

[29] I don't know, but she screams sneezes.

[30] Wait, she listens.

[31] We can't talk about her anymore.

[32] She's fine.

[33] Mom.

[34] She knows what she fucking did to me and my life.

[35] It is because it's a, you know your sneeze is coming if you're a scream sneezer.

[36] I don't.

[37] So all of a sudden it's someone's.

[38] screaming.

[39] She loves attention.

[40] There's no, you're completely right about that.

[41] Yeah.

[42] Like, that's a thing, that's a, that's a, that's a connection.

[43] Yeah.

[44] Mom, I love you, but Jesus fucking Christ.

[45] I mean, she knows.

[46] She doesn't care.

[47] Um, do you think a lot of people think that they just started this podcast accidentally, like, skipped the beginning of it when really that was the beginning?

[48] That was the beginning.

[49] We're trying new beginnings.

[50] It's called, um, complain.

[51] We're just a hard complaint at the top.

[52] Angry complaining.

[53] Um, then we go into our, um, pre written intro.

[54] Go ahead, Georgia.

[55] Hey, thanks for tuning in to my favorite murder.

[56] My name's Georgia Hartstark.

[57] And my name's Ken Kilgarra.

[58] And this is pre...

[59] We've been practicing this for months.

[60] We wrote it and then we sent it off to a professional editor.

[61] They sent back some suggestions.

[62] God, that was a great beginning of a podcast.

[63] You're welcome for being fucking professional.

[64] That's why this episode's so expensive for you guys.

[65] Yeah, that's right.

[66] Because of this amazing high quality writing.

[67] Yeah, how much money we spend on this.

[68] We don't even say, have we said the words my favorite murder yet?

[69] I think I mentioned it.

[70] Okay, good, good, good, good, yeah, yeah.

[71] Anyway, do you want to just kick right into corrections corner?

[72] Absolutely.

[73] I have one.

[74] Go ahead.

[75] No, no, no. Okay.

[76] Because I actually, I do have, like, one that I did, I fucked up last week.

[77] Oh, well.

[78] I not like.

[79] So I'm trying to steal my thunder.

[80] why would you do so this mass shooting in Australia led to crazy strict gun laws which is amazing and everyone who messaged me was like we thought that the sandy hook shooting was going to be the same incident right and we think you're a terrible place because it wasn't but here's ours here's this positive thing and it's great amazing and we're all very happy with ourselves did you tell them about our saltwater taffy because we can be pretty great when we try yes yes Yes, there are people who have major problems getting guns to kill children specifically.

[81] Wait, they don't have, the problem is they don't have major problems getting guns.

[82] No, I meant they have problems in their lives.

[83] Yes.

[84] They are getting guns.

[85] And how, yeah, and however, it's very easy for them to get guns, even though they have major problems.

[86] It's, it's totally fine for them to get guns.

[87] Let's talk about gun control.

[88] Oh, yes.

[89] Who doesn't love to hear all about that?

[90] All right.

[91] What's your corrections corner?

[92] Mine is the simple fact that Peoria is not three miles away from Chicago, but three hours.

[93] And I swear to fucking Christ, every single person in the Midwest texted and tweeted and told me about it.

[94] Personal friends, distant strangers, everybody who could possibly say it was let, and they were saying it as if I had said Abraham Lincoln was our first president.

[95] Like, excuse me, Peoria is not three miles away.

[96] Karen, as the other half of this podcast, I'm exonerating you from that needing to be a fucking thing for you to apologize for.

[97] Sometimes when I'm reading off my Wikipedia printout, my eye will tell me something that isn't there on the page.

[98] Sure.

[99] That's what happened.

[100] And like, okay, all right.

[101] So we're in Los Angeles.

[102] If someone said that at San Francisco is three hours from here, would you say no, would you tell them it's six hours?

[103] And would it make a difference?

[104] No, you know what I would do?

[105] I would withhold the true information.

[106] And then I would gloat.

[107] There you go.

[108] I would say I'm better than that person secretly.

[109] Everyone needs just to be more selfish.

[110] Yeah.

[111] They do.

[112] There.

[113] Gloat more.

[114] Said it.

[115] Talk to us less.

[116] Suddenly, in episode 35, Karen and Georgia just became real mean.

[117] Just, like, she's just became big assholes.

[118] It was weird.

[119] They went into gun control shit, and then they just got rude.

[120] And that's when I said, I've had it.

[121] Here's a positive.

[122] Okay.

[123] Because it's not all like that with us.

[124] I have a positive, too.

[125] Go ahead.

[126] Do you really?

[127] Yeah.

[128] Well, my positive, you know, about, but let's fake and pretend like you've never heard this story before.

[129] So, Stephen hasn't heard it.

[130] I'm not going to look at you anymore.

[131] Tell Steven.

[132] Don't look at me. So I was doing something working probably and then killing time before I had to go somewhere else.

[133] So when I have an hour to kill, I go to Jay Crew or some such place where I can get a long sleeve cotton shirt.

[134] Real quick, haters, this is not a fucking ad that Jay Crew has paid us to do.

[135] No. We're not sneaking and added on you.

[136] No. We haven't done that yet.

[137] We would for the right money.

[138] We're blatant.

[139] Yeah, that's right.

[140] They haven't paid us enough to snake and add in on you yet.

[141] So I go over to the grove.

[142] If you are not, have never visited Los Angeles or not from around here.

[143] The grove is like they...

[144] Three hours away from Los Angeles.

[145] Three hours from the heart of Los Angeles is a mall where they basically tried to make it if there was a small town where everyone was obsessed with shopping.

[146] That's what the Grove looks like.

[147] a train or a trolley or something.

[148] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[149] So anyhow, I go into Jay Crew, try to get myself a shirt.

[150] And the guy, the first guy that says, how are you, or do you need any help?

[151] And I'm like, no, no, leave me alone.

[152] And then he asked me again a little bit later.

[153] And I'm like, does he think I'm a shoplifter?

[154] I've worked retail.

[155] I know with this, you're patrolling me. Yeah.

[156] And then finally he came up and he goes, what's your name?

[157] And I go, Karen.

[158] And he goes, what's your last name?

[159] And I go, what are you doing?

[160] never tell them your last name and then he goes are you from the podcast my murder and I said yes and then he lost his mind on me I love him and he told me this is the thing that got me so look we are having some nice success with this podcast it's very very exciting it's very exciting it's quite bewildering yeah and it's just like a weird it's just weird yeah but I didn't think we were to the level of people recognizing us from a podcast at the grove no that's that's the grove is like the biggest it's like the it's like tourists go there yes it's like a big thing mario lopez does his show from there mario fucking lopez does a show from there it's a high end recognition spot definitely so tray who is the young man who is talking to me what's up trey you think they're listening right now for yes i do because what he told me was that the j crew of the grove listens to our podcast when they shut down at night and have to fold down the store Love you.

[161] So he couldn't believe that no one that he closes with was there to see.

[162] Do you think that they all think he's lying and now this is happening?

[163] Well, girl, we took a picture to prove.

[164] And then someone wrote to the Twitter page and said, I can't believe I wasn't on shift when Trey met Karen from my favorite murder.

[165] And the whole thing was just this super cute.

[166] He was so happy.

[167] It just is so wonderful to see people that excited.

[168] And yeah, that was the cutest thing, Stephen, is that at one point.

[169] He was just asking me all these questions and stuff.

[170] And then at one point he goes, where's Georgia right now?

[171] I was just like, I honestly don't know.

[172] That's so cute.

[173] All right, so we're going to do a personal appearance.

[174] We're going to do surprise drop -in.

[175] Oh, a J -Crew closing shift drop -in?

[176] At the Grove.

[177] Yeah, right now.

[178] And then everyone turns around to the door, but we're not there.

[179] We're shoplifting.

[180] I'm going to go in there and shoplift and see if anyone says a word to my face.

[181] You know they won't.

[182] So deal with that level.

[183] Stephen, get on this level of fame that we're now all on.

[184] Stephen, you're going to get recognized next.

[185] Not me. I'm waiting for someone to yell to me. Like a transaction or like a thing and then for someone to yell, stay sexy.

[186] Because like that would be, that's my dream.

[187] Is that someone doesn't say they recognize me, doesn't say listen to the podcast.

[188] But when I'm leaving our interaction, our transaction or whatever the fuck, a parking lot.

[189] they yell at me they do a shout after and I will fucking scream at the top of my lungs don't get murder will you scream sneeze at them at the top of your lungs at the top of my nasal passages you know what's funny though like my friend Alison Agosti who I work with love the shit out of her she's the greatest and I work with her and I walked into our writers room the other day and there's like you know nine people in there or whatever and she goes I was listening to your podcast and then I got all embarrassed and like shut her down basically and I later had to go sorry I received that incorrectly I was like it's that thing or like it's super exciting and I don't want to overly be like let's talk about it for five minutes yeah because I'm of course I'm so judgmental of others that I'm positive I'm going to get that judgment back well I keep hoping my parents will then do it and I can be like no it's a great it's a big they don't care right oh I got my sister started listening right this is a miracle of all miracles is my sister Laura is now a listener and constantly texting me things we need to do, things we need to say, stuff we need to talk about boss boss boss boss.

[190] Let's have older sister corner.

[191] Yes.

[192] We should.

[193] For sure.

[194] She had some very interesting, um, observations about the Jean Bonnet special.

[195] Hey, speaking of.

[196] Not to segue corner you right into what we're doing.

[197] But let's take a, Let's take a casual, super casual, quick break.

[198] Did you just slip me off?

[199] Oh, you lifted your middle finger while you were taking a drink.

[200] No. It was very subtle.

[201] I actually flip people off like this where I barely move my outer and side fingers.

[202] I just very slightly let my middle finger out.

[203] It's more feminine.

[204] I just remember in elementary school because everything got scrutinized and everything you did was stupid to everyone.

[205] Yes.

[206] Like the way you flip people off was made fun of.

[207] yes so I just got really good at doing it correctly so you do the one where it's two shorter fingers you don't pull all your fingers down I pull all my fingers down you pull all your fingers down that is the proper fuck you oh instead of this yeah I don't know what that is this is California that looks like a cute little bird or something this is NorCal fuck you where you kind of leave your surrounding middle fingers up they're like they're like between the first and second knuckle this is so visual that we should not be talking through I mean it's insanity what we're doing right now let's take a casual quick break and we'll teach each other our middle fingers.

[208] Okay.

[209] And then we'll come back and you guys, ready for Jean -Beney, all Jean -Beney all the time.

[210] It's Jean -Beney time, everybody.

[211] Let's do it.

[212] How many, there needs to be a code word for when we're not actually going to take it.

[213] Like, because we always say, let's not take, let's not do this.

[214] Let's take it out.

[215] But like, when do we mean it and when do we not?

[216] Oh, you're like, almost like a safety, what do they call that during sex, like a safe word?

[217] Yeah, because Stephen gets confused and he goes to write something and I'll be like, no, just kidding.

[218] Leave it in.

[219] I take it as a challenge.

[220] That's right.

[221] We leave this all up to Stephen.

[222] He beautifully edits.

[223] Do you imagine if he just had to like the whole thing is this kind of insane bullshit?

[224] What if Stevens are cult leader and it's just whatever he says goes.

[225] That's right.

[226] No, I'm in the basement.

[227] I have no basement.

[228] We're in the basement.

[229] This is like the Alamo.

[230] And we're back.

[231] Let's make jokes and stuff and then get.

[232] get into something real fucked up.

[233] Well, people have been continually tweeting us since, like, the ads for the Jean -Bene special started saying, can't wait for it to hear what you guys say about all this.

[234] Me too.

[235] Then when I went to a TiVo at the other night, there were three choices.

[236] I have a question.

[237] Yes.

[238] Do you still have TiVo, or do you just still call it that?

[239] I call it that.

[240] Okay.

[241] That's my verb of that, because I'm not devouring is stupid.

[242] Yeah, no, I'm fine with the TiVo word.

[243] I just didn't know if that was still a thing.

[244] If I had the actual brand.

[245] No, I've tracked TV.

[246] Okay.

[247] If you must know.

[248] Again, no one's paying us shit for any of this.

[249] Shit for fuck.

[250] The shit for fuck.

[251] If they want to give us fuck for shit, then they can.

[252] Mark it.

[253] They can email.

[254] Mark this, Stephen.

[255] But what's the safe word?

[256] Scream, sneeze.

[257] Just kidding.

[258] All right.

[259] So, yeah.

[260] So, so, so, so, there's, you had multiple.

[261] There were three choices.

[262] And then I was like, oh, I don't know.

[263] When I am met with that kind of a life challenge, which is choose which the correct made for TV docu series about John Benet's murder.

[264] Choose your own Jean Bonnet.

[265] I like totally turn the channel.

[266] I'm like, oh, look, Father Brown's on.

[267] And then I just watched something.

[268] Oh, I forgot to fucking talk about how obsessed I am with our new I want your DNA inside me. Who?

[269] Who?

[270] Rami.

[271] Raman, the guy from Mr. Raman.

[272] That's what I was going to say.

[273] I know I was too, and that's why I stopped talking.

[274] I was like, Karen, we'll get it right.

[275] I'm so into Rama Manuel.

[276] He's so dishonest.

[277] It's fucking hot.

[278] I've been watching Mr. Remy Malik.

[279] Rami Malik will talk about it next time, but I've been obsessed.

[280] Speaking of things I just don't want to deal with, and that's why I watch something is my Mr. Robot.

[281] Oh, yeah.

[282] That's a great show.

[283] All right.

[284] Very good show.

[285] I feel like we're desecrating the fucking memory of Jean Bonnet by just not taking it seriously.

[286] Look, there's no way.

[287] First of all, if we are, we're not the first because watching these specials, for me, one of the overarching feelings was this is disgusting.

[288] It's disgusting because they would show these pictures of her that do, that intentionally do not look like a six -year -old.

[289] Yeah.

[290] Where you just go, what, the thing that I was surprised that they didn't talk about in, at least the CBS one, which is the one I watched.

[291] this morning on CBS .com streaming had to join pay 599 for a free membership what again they're not paying us anything as you can tell but the fact that Karen had to pay I had to pay money and I'm mad because I did it going I just need to get this taken care of I'll cancel it later I'm not going to no you're not in five months I will have paid them like $50 totally for never watching they should be paying you to talk about them how cocky I've become all right so okay um um When I joked that it was a choose -your -own adventure, that is actually completely correct because I tried to watch a couple of them.

[292] And every single one of them is so clearly with agenda.

[293] Yes.

[294] Pregnant with agenda.

[295] Yes.

[296] And some of them won't, and I won't say who and what, won't show the photos of her as a normal child.

[297] Right.

[298] Because, yeah, that doesn't serve what their media message of what they're talking about.

[299] There's a video of her that to me, and I wrote in this.

[300] the thing I wrote that like for L .com can I plug it as I just suddenly felt awkward about do it okay get used to it I'm not plugging it I'm just how fucking happy I am and I might cry from like how good it feels because I started on live journal writing let's I'm gonna be honest and I didn't graduate community college um and you wrote two amazing articles for l .com that were so readable and so wonderful thank you they're on our Twitter feed if you need to find them um they're great reads Karen that means so much coming from you because I think you're an incredible writer.

[301] My friend.

[302] And that means a lot to me. And my sister said the same thing.

[303] Oh, my God.

[304] And she's a teacher who kind of can't spell.

[305] That means a lot to me. Who kind of can't spell?

[306] Now that I know she's listening, I'm going to do stuff like...

[307] I would like to think the editors of Elle for making me look like I know how to punctuate shit.

[308] Apostrophe S's will be the death of me. But they made it not seem that way.

[309] Anyways.

[310] Oh, yeah.

[311] In it, I was like, everyone stop and go look at photos of her as a normal kit.

[312] Yes.

[313] Because it's a different fucking story.

[314] And there's this video of her that they show in slow -mo of her mom.

[315] It's her as a little kid.

[316] It's like a home video where her mom is scratching the top of her head as she nestles her head into her mom's leg.

[317] Have you seen this?

[318] No. And it's just so sweet and human and reminds me of me and my mom as a kid.

[319] And it's this like goofy, sweet little girl whose mommy is comforting her and doing this thing she probably does a lot, which is scratch her head.

[320] You know, we all have this thing.

[321] Very maternal.

[322] Very comforting thing.

[323] Now, was this before or after Patsy had dyed her hair blonde?

[324] Because I didn't know.

[325] I didn't know.

[326] I mean, I saw that.

[327] That it was dyed.

[328] I don't know why.

[329] And when the friend, in the CBS one, when the friend talks about seeing John Bonnet for the first time with dyed blonde hair and Patsy being like, no, it's just from the son.

[330] She lied about it.

[331] But then I thought if she was murdered when she was six, she must have had that blonde hair for at least a couple months, if not a year before, which means someone died a five -year -old's hair blonde.

[332] I mean, bleaching your hair is disgusting.

[333] If you've ever had your hair died, women know.

[334] It's like a very gross, intense chemical process.

[335] On a five -year -old, that's crazy.

[336] But I don't, but in the pageantry circuit, I don't think it's that weird, which she was in.

[337] Yes, except for, that's my, that was my point is no one talks about that the pageantry circuit is basically a strange weird commercial for pedophiles.

[338] And there's no, there's no reason you should have a six -year -old girl dressed like an Atlanta heiress or Harris.

[339] There's no, there's no reason we should be seeing a little girl basically cosplaying an adult rich woman.

[340] But I, okay, here's my thing with John Bonnet, where I'm seeing the whole.

[341] case is that I will argue the opposite of anything that's argued.

[342] Yes.

[343] Because there's such a huge argument, because it's, there's never going to be any conclusions.

[344] Yes.

[345] And every single piece of evidence, and I wrote some of them down, has an argument for the other side.

[346] Right.

[347] Exactly.

[348] And that's what I kind of love about this is because I really don't like being like, this is my opinion.

[349] And here's the argument why and I won't listen to you and your opinion.

[350] It's like, I'm not doing that.

[351] Not you.

[352] No, no, no, no. I mean like any other debate that people have.

[353] Right.

[354] No, exactly.

[355] I don't mean you.

[356] When people absolutely decide how they feel and won't come off of it.

[357] No, I totally, I agree that in every other way, except for it unnerves me how normalized the pageant system is where it's only little girls.

[358] But that's the thing is that it is normalized for certain people, including Patsy Ramsey, who was a pageant queen.

[359] And they're from the South.

[360] Yes, true.

[361] So it wasn't that weird to her.

[362] It wasn't like she was in her mind abusing this girl and Donnie.

[363] her hair, it was like...

[364] I don't think it's necessarily abuse.

[365] I just think it's a...

[366] You're putting shit on a child, a little girl long before she needs to be dealing with it.

[367] I completely agree with all of it.

[368] I just don't...

[369] It's just like when people present, not you, when it is presented that there are...

[370] there is proof that this is why these...

[371] why she was murdered by the parents and how fucked up these things were.

[372] I just don't think they are...

[373] Like, a lot of it aren't.

[374] No, no, I'm not.

[375] not arguing that the pageants prove they did it.

[376] I'm arguing that that dying a six -year -old's hair shows very bad decision -making skills and just a weird.

[377] But these are people that like, I also didn't know they had two of their own planes.

[378] I didn't know they were the level of rich that they are.

[379] If you're arguing that dying a four -year -old's hair blonde is, is proof that this parent doesn't have the best, the child's best interest in mind.

[380] and therefore it makes sense why she would have been part of the maybe the murder or the cover -up, then I agree with you.

[381] Yeah, yeah.

[382] That makes sense to me. Man, should we get into this?

[383] Yeah.

[384] I'm sorry to tell you, we're in.

[385] Do you want to start?

[386] Are we starting now?

[387] Stephen, can you?

[388] Stephen, hit play.

[389] Can you delete?

[390] Oh, man. I mean, okay, the CBS thing.

[391] And here, one of the rules on our Facebook group is don't talk shit about other podcasts.

[392] That's right.

[393] And the host of the CBS show have a true crime podcast.

[394] Oh, I didn't know that.

[395] Yeah.

[396] Stephen, let me go ahead and look that up.

[397] If you don't mind.

[398] I just think, so I liked them a lot, and I think they had the best interest.

[399] And I don't think, I think they're integrity -based people.

[400] I just think that the moment you are clearly going for a certain, what's the word?

[401] Agenda, Agenda, you can't, like, the moment I saw that John Ramsey was being interviewed for one of the documentaries, I was like, I was out.

[402] Because he wouldn't agree to do it unless the agenda wasn't.

[403] Yeah.

[404] Yes, that's right.

[405] So what did you think about Burke Ramsey's interview with, I didn't watch it, I watched clips.

[406] Glow on Dr. Phil.

[407] Yeah, I didn't watch it either.

[408] But you saw that he was smiling through a lot of it.

[409] Yes, I think that Burke Ramsey might be on the spectrum.

[410] That's what I thought too.

[411] I don't think it's fair to.

[412] I don't think any of this is fair.

[413] Isn't a sign of anything.

[414] No, that's nerves.

[415] Here's the thing, if you have been around TV or done TV, I've watched a lot of people act super weird on TV.

[416] Especially, I don't know, was that whole thing pre -taped?

[417] Like, there was no audience when he was talking to Dr. Phil.

[418] No audience.

[419] Yeah.

[420] See, and I think I said this before, but the reason I didn't watch it is because I have a friend who's a producer on it.

[421] And she was like, nothing came of it.

[422] they didn't reveal anything.

[423] So then I was like, oh, it's boring.

[424] But then a bunch of people started tweeting at us of like, this behavior and all this different stuff.

[425] It was definitely weird behavior, but I don't think it was indicative of someone who was guilty or innocent or you can read anything out of it.

[426] Was it weird for a person that has two planes?

[427] I mean, like, this is a person that's lived in the world.

[428] Literally never done an interview before in his life.

[429] No. And probably never had to really be in the world in a real way in his life.

[430] And so I think, the reason this whole interview happened is because they somehow knew that the CBS documentary was coming out that kind of pointed towards him so this is like a quick fuck let's get this out before that comes out so he maybe didn't even want to do it no way did he want to do it he's freaked out oh god oh my god there's so much to talk about but he also you know there he's already suing CBS is he really that's what that's what someone told me at work today because we were all talking about this morning up yeah and because I said everyone was talking about why possibly would they have reduced it from three or four episodes to two and I was saying it could have been a thing where they let them do it but they said because they because I'm obsessed of course with the pageant part and the and any kind of the any it felt like any they just dismiss any kind of sexual molestation or anything they just dismissed it out of hand which seems very unlikely to me I wrote that in the L article that it's like...

[431] Oh yeah, I'm ripping you off from the LAR, go.

[432] Can you not?

[433] I'm going to sue you for...

[434] It was my idea.

[435] I'm going to see you for what's a call when someone copies your shit?

[436] Just copying.

[437] Steven, make me sound smarter in that clip.

[438] All right.

[439] Okay.

[440] Who's looking for the button.

[441] I know.

[442] Your button knows?

[443] Here's the stuff I liked from, that I didn't know about from the CBS show.

[444] I really loved...

[445] I love handwriting and linguistic analysis.

[446] I think it's fucking fascinated.

[447] The fact that that someone pointed out that no one would ever write that they were a small foreign faction.

[448] Yes.

[449] You make yourself seem bigger.

[450] Right.

[451] You don't seem like you're a small little group of people.

[452] Yes.

[453] Very interesting.

[454] And also no one calls themselves foreign.

[455] Right.

[456] And if you are a band getting together right now and you don't name yourself small foreign faction, you're a fucking idiot.

[457] I'll murder you.

[458] Punk rockers.

[459] Get it together.

[460] I know that for it.

[461] There was like all those things about.

[462] the phrasing and the like and sorry if I'm jumping on this on yours but I was freaking out when they got to the part where the the ransom letter quotes speed I didn't know dirty Harry dirty Harry just just like you how so if if this is Patsy and John and they're covering up you know the one theory that they were really shoving in your face on the CBS one if that was true then they really think that they're so much smarter than everybody else, that they can add in lines from the movie speed and have nobody catch on.

[463] They absolutely do.

[464] Okay, really quick.

[465] Stephen was like, brought his phone.

[466] I remember me to show me a thing that I'd asked him and I completely forgot what I'd asked him.

[467] So I was like, what is he?

[468] I don't remember what I'm.

[469] Okay, the podcast that the hosts of the CBS show do is Real Crime Profile, which I listen to.

[470] It's a great podcast.

[471] Oh, okay.

[472] Yes, I agree.

[473] Let's, you know what?

[474] Let's, okay.

[475] So let's start.

[476] Are you ready to start?

[477] Let's, um, what is your theory?

[478] Like, overall?

[479] Like, what's your favorite theory?

[480] Oh, I think that I think it was Burke.

[481] Okay.

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[515] I wrote in the article that my, our friend Kat Solan, her brother bears her childhood teeth mark, scar on his body, because they were so angry that they did that.

[516] You just get angry at people.

[517] And also, it's the thing of if he did that, and he was super angry, and it does make sense that she's the little princess that gets all of the mom's attention, and he was older.

[518] It would have been different if he was younger, but he's older, so he was used to having all of her attention and then not got kind of redirected, which is very painful and awful.

[519] If he already was having a little bit of like developmental or if there's just some issue with like he's a little slower, he's a little bit emotionally off, whatever it is.

[520] Yeah, which a lot of things I read say he was a little bit of a weird kid, which I mean I grew up with a weird kid.

[521] I understand that they're...

[522] Weird.

[523] Yeah.

[524] Yes.

[525] That doesn't mean they're Yeah.

[526] Here's the thing my sister said.

[527] She texted me and said, the thing with the feces is really bad.

[528] That's usually a sign of sexual molestation.

[529] I know.

[530] The wetting the bed thing.

[531] So John Bonnet wet her bed regularly.

[532] They said Burke might have too.

[533] That to me is hard because I wet my bed later than I should have.

[534] I did too.

[535] I sucked my thumb until like second grade.

[536] I was never molested.

[537] Right.

[538] So you can't just say that definitively.

[539] No. But the shit thing.

[540] Shit is a much bigger deal because even when you're little, you don't, it's not natural to, like it was as if they were saying, and I don't know any more than what they presented on that.

[541] But it was as if they were saying he like would shit on her stuff or he would like wipe shit on her stuff.

[542] And my sister has been a grammar school teacher for over 20 years.

[543] And she has a master's degree in like in developmental education.

[544] or whatever.

[545] I'm not exactly sure.

[546] Steve, we fix that in post.

[547] Fix her degree.

[548] But essentially, this is what she does and deals with kids a lot that are going through this.

[549] And she was just like, that's bad.

[550] That's the worst thing she heard in the whole thing was anytime a kid is like got his hands and shit and he's not a baby.

[551] Well, she had, this is the thing they revealed in the CBS thing is that she had a great fruit -sized shit in her bed.

[552] Right.

[553] That sounds painful and fucked up and not normal at all.

[554] No, like he was collecting it or...

[555] No, that she just saved having to go to the...

[556] She was so uncomfortable going to the bathroom that she waited until she was in bed.

[557] Oh, I thought he put it there from what...

[558] Oh.

[559] Because they said the maid found it.

[560] Right.

[561] And I was thinking that he was like trying to wreck her shit because the other stuff...

[562] Or make her look like a gross.

[563] Yes.

[564] Can I say that like I kind of...

[565] I feel bad for Burke in this whole thing.

[566] It's very bad.

[567] And then I read something, you know, I made everyone on our Facebook group and send us their theories and send us what they found that was interesting and their thoughts and everything.

[568] And one of them was that Burke actually doesn't even know that he doesn't know that he caused that blow.

[569] He might have done it and they were like, go to bed and he doesn't remember it.

[570] he maybe somewhere deep down does, but he doesn't know that he put that whole thing into action.

[571] I feel bad for this kid who clearly has some issues.

[572] I think he knows something though, because remember that interview he has with the cop and he won't say the cop's like, what's in the bowl and he just won't say it.

[573] Like, they're those weird things.

[574] He goes, oh.

[575] So in the CBS documentary, they show clips, which is like I could watch this for hours of of Burke being interviewed by a psychologist or social worker post, like when he was a kid, the only time they, there was two times they let him be questioned.

[576] And in it, you know, they're talking.

[577] And I actually, it's amazing.

[578] They show him a photo of the table, the crime scene table, which has a bowl of pineapple out with Burke's fingerprints on it and in Jean -Bene's stomach after she died as an undigested piece of pineapple.

[579] Right.

[580] And so they, the social worker, the psychologist, shows, Burke, a photo of the pineapple and says, what is this?

[581] Or shows him a bowl of pineapple.

[582] And he says, I don't know.

[583] It looks like cereal or something.

[584] And he says, well, what could that be?

[585] And then Burke goes, oh, like he knows not to say what it is.

[586] That's weird.

[587] But it's like a, you know, a little kid thinking he's outsmarting someone.

[588] Yeah.

[589] And there's this, you're watching from this camera overhead.

[590] He also is in a very weird physical position in that chair.

[591] he's very weird physically he's very antsy in a weird way yeah but he gets down on all fours when he's looking at that picture and i understand it's like a kid's way like almost like child's pose yeah but to me in that situation it gave me the creeps like it was just weird he was he wasn't he was very silted in his voice but he looked incredibly comfortable yeah it was almost like chill he was chill it was weird how don't we okay so like my theory in my mind the master mind of this whole fucking entire thing, which is that Burke unknowingly hit her over the head or through a flashlight, someone mentioned maybe he didn't actually like hit her.

[592] Maybe he threw this flashlight at her.

[593] Yeah.

[594] And this happened and it was staged.

[595] In my mind, the mastermind of the whole thing is not Patsy who was bringing, who is just being thrown out at the bus fucking completely in this whole thing.

[596] It's someone who's still alive.

[597] And so I'm scared to...

[598] It's John Ramsey.

[599] It's John Ramsey.

[600] I really think John Ramsey is the fucking entire mastermind.

[601] And another thing I was thinking too is that like their interviews post right after what happened are creepy and fucking weird.

[602] The CNN interview?

[603] Yeah.

[604] Like all over there like them calling the press to give an interview and you had mentioned it before that that when someone asked Patsy who's clearly on fucking Valium.

[605] Yes.

[606] She's on so many pills.

[607] Yeah.

[608] They ask her to you think it was an outside intruder and she's shaking her head no with her eyes closed and the minute John it says yes she starts to nod yes yeah she goes into this weird circle and then tries to like yeah but she also does her she's doing a lot of like long blinking yep and it's almost like she just doesn't want to she just wants to disappear well here's what I think okay I definitely think Patsy wrote the note the ransom letter it's not a fucking note no it's a four page letter I think Burke accidentally hit her I think they conspired to cover it up maybe with with John being the mastermind.

[609] Right.

[610] I think he took her downstairs, Jean -Bene's body downstairs, to, you know, make it staged as a kidnapping.

[611] And I don't think Patsy realized the extent of how he covered it up.

[612] Right.

[613] I think she thought he'd put a pillow over her face.

[614] She thought she would be suffocated.

[615] But when Patsy found out the extent of what he did to her body, I think then she, and she still had to go with it.

[616] Yeah.

[617] I think that that's why she was so freaked out by it.

[618] I don't think she was like.

[619] That's a horrible.

[620] Do you know what I mean?

[621] Yes.

[622] And that's a horrible idea.

[623] Like just that you would be put in that position as a mother.

[624] Yeah.

[625] The one that gives me more comfort because it's so much less tragic.

[626] And it's based on that 911 dispatcher who suddenly was under a gag order for years and never talked to anybody.

[627] And no one ever tried to interview her?

[628] But here's the thing that's weird to me. no one ever tried to interview her and she wasn't under a gag order so when was the gag order lifted that she can be talking on this documentary?

[629] I don't think it ever was.

[630] I think she was just like, all right, clearly no one's.

[631] I think once they exonerated the Ramsey's, it was just gone.

[632] Well, what was interesting to me is she said that that moment where Patsy thought she hung up the phone.

[633] I never knew about that either.

[634] Patsy makes this 911 call which I didn't listen.

[635] I of course heard snippets here and there, but I cannot listen to it.

[636] It's horrifying.

[637] Well, and especially because it's It's bad acting.

[638] From that alone, if you just made me guess off the 911 call, I'd say they're complicit in some way.

[639] But that Patsy thinks she hangs the phone up.

[640] And then they're recording what's happening in their kitchen.

[641] And the 911 operator is on the line listening and trying to listen.

[642] Okay.

[643] And the thing, well, just the one thing that that 911 operator said was her tone, once she was so hysterical and get someone here, get someone here.

[644] A, you don't hang up the phone When your child is missing and that's your lifeline Hanging up the phone is crazy And then B, her vocal tone changes immediately to the point where that's what gave that 911 dispatcher the creeps Because she's hysterical She's freaking out.

[645] She's not answering the 911 dispatcher's questions.

[646] The minute she says, who are you?

[647] She clearly says I'm, she clearly states her name everything.

[648] I'm the mother and clearly gives an answer.

[649] Yes.

[650] Suddenly the hysteria isn't so out of control.

[651] And it's true that I like this in the CBS documentary where they said you don't hang up on a 911 call.

[652] No, no one does.

[653] No one hangs up.

[654] It's your lifeline.

[655] That was the coolest part.

[656] I mean, I understand, look, this is just like Jack the Ripper where there's so many experts now and there's so many theories that it's just out of control.

[657] It's never going to, I don't think it'll ever be solved.

[658] I don't know unless there's something, something gets dug up, like literally or you know some hidden thing i didn't i don't hear what they i didn't hear at the end of the 911 call to hang up what is purported to be said by who by anyone in the family i believe the 911 operator when she says i heard i thought i heard patsy say i called i called nine i called the police now what yeah that sounds that sounds more uh believable to me than when they when they they did the whole gimmick of slowing down the 911 call and slowing down when people heard in the background and whose voice is whose.

[659] You hear what you want to hear.

[660] Yes.

[661] That's very true.

[662] And also that part was ludicrous because, well, it was just TV.

[663] I mean, that's the part where I was just sitting there going, oh, they're really trying to stretch this out.

[664] I bet you when they cut that other stuff in the other episodes, they had to go back and, like, fill time or something because that was so ludicrous.

[665] First of all, every sound editor in the world would watch that and just be like, these are the people I hate working with.

[666] Totally.

[667] You don't have to tell.

[668] that we need to go back and reduce the noise because clearly that's until you can hear what people are saying we have to keep on trying to clarify the clip like that idea that they were sitting next to that man going bring this down and bring this up where it's just like yeah yeah the guy actually knows how to use the machine and the moment someone tells you what they're hearing you hear it too of course even if it's not there and especially with something like this where it's like you're hearing Patsy Ramsey's voice you're hearing John Ramsey's voice yeah but at the same time, what they're arguing by hearing Burke Ramsey's voice at the end of that is that he wasn't in bed.

[669] And I have a lot of problems with the idea that he was in bed through that whole time.

[670] Because A, why when you just found out that your child is kidnapped and gone, would you let your other child be somewhere else?

[671] You would grab the other child and make sure they're by your fucking side the whole time.

[672] That's the first thing you would do.

[673] The first thing you would do.

[674] Yes.

[675] Why didn't he get out of bed when he heard his mom flee?

[676] flipping the fuck out to see what was going on and what was wrong.

[677] Well, what he said in those interviews is he's a real deep sleeper all the time, always.

[678] Right.

[679] He's using words like, I'm always, I never hear anything.

[680] I'm always a deep sleeper.

[681] Okay.

[682] Preped.

[683] So that's, why would they lie about that?

[684] Because they're lying, because the whole thing is bullshit.

[685] And I mean, that kind of thing were like, the 911 one dispatcher heard things that even if she didn't hear exact words, like she was talking about the vocal tone.

[686] changed.

[687] So she knows that Patsy thought the phone was hung up and suddenly the like act was dropped.

[688] And that's what she was hearing.

[689] Maybe she got the words wrong or right.

[690] We don't know.

[691] But like that in and of itself, also when Burke goes, what did you find?

[692] Right.

[693] That little quote, which you can hear pretty clearly.

[694] But it's like, it's such a weird little voice.

[695] Like he's, you don't hear.

[696] He doesn't sound scared.

[697] He doesn't sound upset.

[698] He sounds like someone that's going through that with not a lot of emotion.

[699] Okay, so what about, okay, why would, let's say that they all had something to do with it, she wrote the 911, I mean, the ransom letter, why would they call 911 immediately without getting rid of the body in the morning?

[700] Like, why wouldn't they, why wouldn't he have taken the body out and, and disposed of it?

[701] I mean, who the fuck knows?

[702] Because I think it's, because it's still their daughter, so they're not going to leave their daughter at the garbage dump.

[703] They're not going to stick her in a dumpster or hide her under a log or some horrible thing.

[704] But they'll put a paint brush up her area.

[705] But they didn't, I don't think they did that.

[706] They didn't talk about that in the CBS thing.

[707] But I don't, why would he do that?

[708] But it was, but there, from what I can tell.

[709] The problem with this case too is that there's so many things I've heard about, for example, that there was a book turn, there was a dictionary in someone's study turned to the word incest.

[710] The only place I've ever seen that is in, you know, forums of people writing about the case.

[711] I've never seen that in, uh, in a actual, you know, crime scene write up.

[712] Yeah, that sounds like something a seventh grade girl would say.

[713] Yeah, there's so much shit in this.

[714] There was a book open on the death.

[715] You guys, there was so much shit, there are so much shit that I'm like, well, I heard this thing was what they found, but it's not in the autopsy report.

[716] So why would it?

[717] Yeah, it's just, it's like weird gossip.

[718] because people start talking about stuff like this and suddenly it takes on a life of its own.

[719] But here's the thing I thought, when they were going over all those crime, the crime scene footage, who the fuck sees that their son killed their daughter by hitting her on the head with a flashlight, takes that flashlight, sticks it on the kitchen counter and leaves it there?

[720] That's the thing that you would dump and get rid of.

[721] And that's the thing that baffled.

[722] I kept saying, is this picture from earlier where they just know for a fact they own this flashlight?

[723] But, no, but here, but, okay, well, I'm going to, I'm going to immediately argue the other way.

[724] Do it.

[725] Because, like, Hannah, and I like it.

[726] You're fucking freaking out.

[727] You had to start a ransom note twice, three times because you're freaking out.

[728] You don't think to move this one piece.

[729] I just don't think you think everything through.

[730] And there's no blood on it, as they showed by having this fucking most fucked up kid in the world, hit a goddamn mannequin with pigskin and a wig.

[731] All of that was like, all of that, I say shame on you, CBS.

[732] Because that was not necessary.

[733] It was super creepy.

[734] He looked like a little child actor, but his eyes were a bit wild.

[735] The whole thing of that was gross.

[736] Honestly, that whole time I felt so bad for the hosts because I was, like, you can tell that the producer was like, you have to fucking do this.

[737] And both the hosts were like, I'm a fucking, I'm a fucking journalist.

[738] I'm a fucking, like, yeah, we're trying to find out actual answers.

[739] Yeah, we're, and you need this clip.

[740] The lighter version of that is the cop that volunteered to get tased twice.

[741] I wish the kid had done it.

[742] A six -foot cop who is 200 pounds is being tased to show what it might have been like for Jean Bonnet, which is like, sorry, none of this equates.

[743] That and when they were in a parking lot and the hosts were going to go speak to the Ramseys that couldn't be recorded.

[744] And there was a whole like five minutes of that, of them waiting around in the parking lot.

[745] lot for the host to come back and talk about unnecessary.

[746] The whole thing was unnecessary.

[747] It was, they were, I think they were trying to be Verite, but it was also, they're like, so we've got this insane interview that we've been waiting for, but the guy's like not on camera, but I'll tell you what I know.

[748] Yeah.

[749] You just can't record it.

[750] So they need to, they need the, what do you call it?

[751] Like, they need the authenticity of the fact that they got this huge get of an interview.

[752] Like, this is legitimate because we're actually speaking to them.

[753] It also shows to me, as a person that's worked in TV for a long time, the run and gun style where you have to make up solutions on the fly.

[754] And if you were thinking it would be cool to work in TV, just go and look at Eddie Schmidt, the producer of this show, standing in the Safeway parking lot, watching all the beautiful SUVs drive away while he stands there with the cameraman.

[755] For four and a half hours, probably.

[756] Waiting.

[757] Yeah.

[758] They ate a bunch of Safeway donuts and just kicked it.

[759] waiting to find out what happened because that's what it's really like.

[760] And you know what, okay, here's a fucking thing.

[761] Maybe they did talk to the fucking whites on camera and the whites said the same thing they always say, very fucking, you know, bullet pointed.

[762] And it wasn't as interesting.

[763] And so they said, let's pretend like they wouldn't speak to us.

[764] Yes.

[765] Is that a thing?

[766] Well, yeah, because the thing that I was shocked by, another piece of information, was that Fleet White wrote an open letter telling John Ramsey, you need to cooperate with the police.

[767] That's crazy.

[768] They were, the whites came over the morning of the murder.

[769] They were the first group of people there.

[770] After the phony 911 call.

[771] And Fleetwhite was with John Ramsey when he found John Bonnet's body.

[772] I wonder if those two people feel used as fuck.

[773] Well, they were.

[774] Yeah.

[775] They were.

[776] Because that's another thing they talked about is that's a very common thing.

[777] Invite someone in to witness you finding the body.

[778] You don't find the body alone if you've done it.

[779] You bring people in to witness.

[780] That was fucking fascinating.

[781] Yes.

[782] It's, there's a lot of like, if you choose to look at it through this one angle.

[783] Which I think we should do the opposite in a minute too.

[784] I think we should look at it from an intruder angle.

[785] But in that way, a man who has two planes, first of all, sidebar.

[786] For people, for millionaires, a millionaire's house is kind of a shitty house.

[787] Like there was, it was clearly, pre the declutter trend of the mid 2000s because there was so much shit everywhere and it was like there was like fake autumn leaves that were plastic in a drawer that was hanging down from the top of a like shelving system it was like what sorry you're rich what is this house and when they went to like open John Bonnet's bedroom door there were all those handmarks on the outside did you see there like a finger marks or like kids grabbing the door it just was like it was weird to me and this whole time when they say her body was found in the wine cellar.

[788] I'm picturing a wine cellar.

[789] No, that was the most depressing, creepy room I've ever seen my life.

[790] It was a cement room where they threw old shit and maybe kept some wine.

[791] I don't know.

[792] But, like, the whole thing was, there was a lot of cognitive dissonance.

[793] Can I tell you, when they were doing the, like, walkthrough of it, I was the king, I watch a shit ton of HGTV, and the whole time I was like, well, you take down this wall and you'd open the basement up, so it could be like a man cave and it'd have an open concept thing and this spiral staircase is so dated and unnecessary.

[794] Like the whole time I was like thinking of the property brothers being like, you take this fucking wall down.

[795] The spiral staircase, it looks like something that would be in my hometown in a house that was left over from 1965.

[796] Like, it is so weird and tacky.

[797] And like if you've ever gone down one of those metal spiral staircases in a house, it feels like you're going to die the whole time.

[798] You're going to fall fucking face forward into the other, the bar that's on the next spiral.

[799] So weird, that whole part.

[800] But I guess my point actually was super rich people like that that are kind of they're the people, they don't even fly first class.

[801] They don't fly commercial at all.

[802] Oh, wait, they get their own fucking planes.

[803] They have private planes.

[804] They're private plane rich.

[805] These are people who think they can get away with whatever, because they already are up above the fray.

[806] They're not anywhere near Judy and Johnny Lunchville.

[807] How crazy is it that she was 21 years old when they got married?

[808] Yeah.

[809] And he had already had a whole family.

[810] He was what then, I think he was like 16 years older than her.

[811] That means he was like in his mid, late 30s.

[812] 21 year old girl that he marries.

[813] Yep.

[814] I mean, we've all met 21 year olds.

[815] They're fucking idiots.

[816] Yeah, even that seems uncommon these days.

[817] Like 21 is a bit of a throwback.

[818] So he marries this trophy wife.

[819] They have a trophy daughter.

[820] And that third.

[821] Place son.

[822] All right.

[823] Their house is ugly.

[824] I liked that it was told that 76 % of the ransom note was bullshit.

[825] Erroneous.

[826] Yeah.

[827] Too much.

[828] All you needed was these four lines.

[829] They're selling.

[830] They kept saying the phrase they're selling.

[831] They're selling it.

[832] That there wasn't, there didn't need to be blood from the blow to the head, even though they showed it in the worst way possible that was interesting.

[833] Also, so you get, you see this ransom note letter.

[834] it says don't call the fucking cops or will behead your daughter multiple times the first thing they do is call the cops yes why is that even if because they wrote the letter and they know it's not actually going to happen even if the letter wasn't even if they didn't do it and the letter was found they still made so many mistakes and and it was still a fake ransom note no matter that's what's so hard about it is no matter what it was a fake ransom note Yes, that's 100 % true.

[835] So it's hard to be like, who wrote this ransom note, you can't be like, but it was a fake ransom note.

[836] So the parents did it.

[837] No, the ransom note was fake no matter what.

[838] Yes, there's no small foreign faction.

[839] No. And the kid was already dead in the basement.

[840] Right.

[841] So it's like, and you clearly didn't bring this.

[842] If the ransom note had been brought in and then she was found dead, it would have been like, oh, they meant to kidnap her, but it didn't happen.

[843] Right.

[844] Also, the point they made very early and that is like to me the proof of almost everything is you don't kidnap a six -year -old girl out of a millionaire's house and ask for a hundred thousand dollars that's the dumbest fucking part of it where it's like you have a living child it's millions you ask for millions and you know this person's a millionaire they talk about him they talk about him as if they know him so personally in that well they say a couple things in it they say that that get it out of your account so they know that that's how much that he has at least that in his account yeah not get the fucking money no matter what you can do.

[845] The other thing is get a big enough, quote, attache case.

[846] Who gives a shit what size bag?

[847] You know, get a brown paper bag.

[848] You don't need to tell this person that.

[849] Get this much money, period.

[850] Yes.

[851] Well, that's, yeah, that's clearly someone just having.

[852] Thinking way too hard about this.

[853] And also believing their own shit.

[854] Like, that's that thing where instead of having the self -consciousness to go, is this believable or whatever?

[855] It was just like sit down.

[856] have a creative writing session.

[857] And saying get some rest, you're going to, this is going to be complicated.

[858] It's like she, okay, let's just say it was Patsy writing this thing.

[859] She sat down at a desk.

[860] She started out.

[861] But he might have been dictating.

[862] He could have been dictating.

[863] It was her handwriting.

[864] She was a journalist major too.

[865] So she knows how to write.

[866] Yes.

[867] Okay, one.

[868] No, no. But it is just that idea of like you get started.

[869] You already got the adrenaline running.

[870] Some insane shit.

[871] You're in a surreal place anyway.

[872] then you just start kind of going for it where it's you're quoting speed yeah you're like here's what the girl dies here's what people who have seen too many movies about it think that a ransom letter is written what about just can we skip to the part yes where they interviewed the gardener and he talked about patsy ramsie coming out to talk about the oj verdict that part i was like i don't care what else happens in this thing the idea that there's a first person eyewitness talking about Patsy Ramsey's reaction to OJ.

[873] Which is that you can get away with murder in America.

[874] Yes.

[875] But there was also just, it was that, but then it was also just the general kind of mashup of like, this is like pop culture gone mad on my TV right now.

[876] It's interesting how much the OJ, the Simpsons had to do with this, like how much they were affected by each other.

[877] And you know, I was reading some of the movie quotes and how similar they were.

[878] And there were also people online who were fucking brilliant, interesting people who say, here's when this movie showed in Boulder like near the date of her murder.

[879] Like the night before one of the, one of the movies was played on TV.

[880] Oh my God.

[881] You know, November 29th, this movie was played on TV in Boulder.

[882] Brilliant.

[883] It's really fucking interesting.

[884] See, that's the shit.

[885] Like, that really is, it's the wave of the future.

[886] It's people armchair detectives who were going to solve the big stuff.

[887] Totally.

[888] Because that's the kind of stuff that, you know, like if cops and all those cops that talk like that one investigator that quit because he was like, this is disgusting.

[889] He loved seeing him young and then seeing him interviewed.

[890] He was hot stuff.

[891] Super fucking hot.

[892] He was hot.

[893] And also just his like burning sense of justice was delicious.

[894] Oh my God.

[895] And he He was just like, I want him to win.

[896] Yeah.

[897] And it's that thing of like, well, he quit so, so then nothing goes forward.

[898] But then it's like, yeah, but or he stays and goes insane or takes the fall or it's just or is, or hates himself for the rest of his life.

[899] Because he didn't do the right.

[900] He didn't do anything.

[901] Quitting sometimes is like the only way you can show how passionate you are about something.

[902] Right.

[903] It's a state.

[904] It's a real political statement.

[905] And if he was told this has become a political situation, then he has to be political too.

[906] you just have to play on the playing field.

[907] Well, them saying that everyone indicted, everyone voted to indict the Ramses for having some hand in Jambene dying and the fucking police chief.

[908] Just being like, no thanks.

[909] Giving a news conference that they're not doing it.

[910] Now, one of the very first last podcast on the left episodes I listened to on your recommendation was there John Bonae Ramsey.

[911] Is it two -part?

[912] Last podcast and last has a two -part Jean -Beney Ramesi episode.

[913] That is fucking incredible.

[914] So thoroughly researched.

[915] It's so awesome.

[916] But one of the, to me, most fascinating parts was them talking about how John Ramsey is a millionaire because he's got this computer programming company or some computer something company.

[917] But that they don't really know what it does.

[918] It has a government contract, I believe they said.

[919] and he makes millions of dollars a year, but they can't really figure out what he does.

[920] We got to ask Mr. Robot.

[921] That's right.

[922] And Mr. Robot got to shut him down.

[923] And then we've got to go to Rahm Emanuel and be like, what the fuck?

[924] Are you doing later?

[925] That happens?

[926] And are you doing later?

[927] But I just thought that was it.

[928] I love that theory because I love, there is some bigger thing at work.

[929] Oh, for sure.

[930] Keeping the district attorney of Boulder underneath John Ramsey's thumb.

[931] why does he have that much power aside from just money there's got Boulder well since I mean this is so dumb but since watching Mr. Robot hacking emails seems like a very easy thing to do yeah hacking fucking internet searches you have some shit on someone and oh so you think he did that to them maybe maybe they have some shit on the fucking chief of police you know sure emails I mean let's go to the fucking obvious child pornography.

[932] Right.

[933] Anything.

[934] Yeah.

[935] And he knows about it before even the police would know.

[936] Sure.

[937] That's fascinating.

[938] I like to, how they, um, jump straight to Patsy as an MK.

[939] Ultra robot.

[940] Yeah.

[941] I just, well, I wrote, I, let's go back to my L article.

[942] I fucking, can I, I, I wrote in it that how beautiful would it be if it was MK.

[943] Ultra or if it was, God damn it's Stephen The moment I said MK Ultra Stephen's phone started barking and it's like the MK Ultra The government's trying to shut us down We don't give the fuck We're talking about it Stephen you're fired Stephen No you're not Steven you're rehired at a higher rate Elvis you're in Yeah I would love it if it were that simple And interesting And interesting and not awful But the reality is, like, parents kill their children, more than strangers kill their children.

[944] Or kill people's children.

[945] It's always from the family.

[946] That's the first place they look for a reason.

[947] It's usually an inside job.

[948] And it's also the darkest choice.

[949] So it's the biggest bummer that most people don't want to look at it all.

[950] I know.

[951] I know.

[952] Because that's anybody.

[953] It's horrible.

[954] Yeah.

[955] I think, I mean, it's hard to find them, actually.

[956] I was looking for them today.

[957] but the initial press interviews with John Ramsey, which you can see in the CBS doc, are cold and creepy.

[958] Yeah, he's a real creeper.

[959] I don't think that that necessarily, like as people have said about many people in this series, like I think we're just learning now how people grieve, what they look like when they're under pressure and all this stuff.

[960] And you know, I agree with that completely, but this is fucking goodbye, let's move on.

[961] Yes.

[962] it's it's very um it's so telling once you re look at it and like under aside from thinking exactly who did it or exactly what the situation was i just know that like my father like if you're talking about someone who just died you're baby you even if you're a man and a strong man and you were in a war you whatever yeah your your child you would get choked up you just that's you're The words are coming out of your mouth and you're listening to them.

[963] If you have a total disconnect, then you give a great press conference.

[964] Can I say, let's impart in a personal part of this because people fucking love that.

[965] But when I was like 13 and on drugs and like a really bad kid, and one night I just didn't come home.

[966] And my sister had dropped me off somewhere and I just went out with my fucking punk rock friends.

[967] And my parents called the police and were freaking out.

[968] And my brother later said to me, like, the next, when I finally came home and I just been on drugs all night, was like, and he lived with my dad, he said, I heard dad in the other room weeping, weeping.

[969] And my dad's not like that.

[970] And I fucking, that was one of the things that made me stop doing drugs.

[971] Yeah.

[972] So the thought of my dad, weeping at me just not being home.

[973] Right.

[974] So the fact that he's just, I mean, I know we all react differently.

[975] Yes.

[976] But the, the reaction, his fucking.

[977] demeanor is cold cold it's incredibly cold he doesn't put his arm around his wife who's crying no there's a real like he has a real be of a bank manager feel to him where he's letting you know your house is getting foreclosed on and i and i don't have i have shut myself off from other people's emotions for so long that i just don't care well and also like he's in business mode where this is an emergency all the like emergency cord got pulled And now that's the mode he's in And he's completely like compartmentalized all of everything The emergency grot got pulled Oh dude That thing is such a bummer I think he was in the Navy And he worked for a small foreign faction In the Philippines Is that true?

[978] And their SBTC Has something to do with a Navy Oh is that true?

[979] It's absolutely true Is signing things...

[980] Oh, I wrote a thing.

[981] Is signing things victory with an exclamation point from the Navy?

[982] Because that's so stupid.

[983] Here's...

[984] Although I am changing my email signature.

[985] Do you dare me?

[986] I might do it right the second.

[987] Oh, my God, do it.

[988] Okay, so I read...

[989] Victory!

[990] Victory!

[991] I wrote a bunch of shit of, like...

[992] I read a bunch of...

[993] Mostly the comments on people's blog posts about what it was were fucking more interesting than the blog post.

[994] Yes.

[995] One of them was, it was on WebSlooth.

[996] Someone said, on your phone keypad the number corresponds with three or four letters look for s b tc the numbers are 7282 7282 7282 corresponds with p a t pat c don't underestimate us john use that good southern common sense of yours it's up to you now john victory for pat c i know but what is that victory for patsy patsy so maybe patsy i mean i know it's her but i'm how i don't know it's it's so it's one of those yeah isn't that interesting yes it is it's nothing to do with it well also that's a really good that's a really good way to make up a code totally let's do it right now i mean pick one what's your name on here hard kill hard kill hard kill um all right here let me write some i wrote like a bunch of fucking thoughts uh why sign a ransom note to begin with right nobody signs a ransom note.

[997] No one expects you to put your name on there.

[998] No. Did you know there were also and we should do a quick like let's do the side of it was an intruder because there's a lot of them.

[999] Okay let's do it.

[1000] There were 38 registered sex offenders living within two miles of the house in Boulder.

[1001] Yes.

[1002] That's a lot.

[1003] That's a lot.

[1004] And Boulder small.

[1005] John Bonnet had been to the pediatrician over the last three years of her life 27 times.

[1006] That's a lot.

[1007] that's too many that's too many um wait was was patsy some kind of weird she might have had munchaus in by proxy for sure yeah that's what that says to me okay if patsy had nothing to do with any of it and john did it makes sense that she's the one to like who if someone makes the panic 911 call the other person is telling them not to read the note it says not to call yes so one way or the other you know what I mean Like she's being manipulated Right Yeah I think Patsy was manipulated This whole time Maybe she knew some things And so she couldn't tell the truth Yes I think that's what it looked like In that CNN in her interview Where she's got pill eyes And she's going I love my daughter With her eyes closed Yeah Yeah I think that she maybe knew Some of it And agreed to it And didn't realize the extent Of her husband's fucking Awfulness But also that idea That she would be telling She said if we live in Boulder which she said the phrase if we live in Boulder which I wrote down don't they live in Boulder I would tell everyone in Boulder if we live in Boulder and she says I tell my friends so it's this like weird thing of like who are you telling?

[1008] Yes and she's saying there's a killer out there hold your babies tight but the idea that that's a given like you don't have to underline that if you're this mourning mother who she didn't because she was very protective of her children yeah oh you said in your l article you said the thing about we have to stop using the word panties oh can we not it's so true but you know what i thought of is henry lee dr henry lee has such a thick accent yeah i bet you the word underwear was hard for him to say in much in the same way that i would not be able to say anything in any dialect of chinese and i would have to keep it pretty like clear and basic.

[1009] That's what I thought of is like, I bet panty is easier to hear than any kind of I do feel bad for, I feel bad that whole time that he needed to, that he, that they thought he needed to be subtitled.

[1010] He did need to be subtitled.

[1011] Did he?

[1012] Yes, a hundred percent.

[1013] I never knew what he was saying.

[1014] Okay.

[1015] Because I was, I was doing stuff around the kitchen, then I don't have to turn and look back.

[1016] Oh, I always feel bad for people who get subtitles who don't really need to you.

[1017] I think it's, it's like a, it's like a, it's like negging them.

[1018] It is, it feels well that's very American I think that's like it feels like on the surface shameful but the first thing I thought of was if I were in China I wouldn't be subtitled I wouldn't be appearing because I cannot speak and I can I have a little bit of high school French yeah but only about five words instead of trying to speak in French you would be like can you just fucking subtitle my English man?

[1019] Yeah I'm just going to talk and then you subtitle all of it because Yeah.

[1020] And I mean, that guy also, on top of that, I was like, I was going to say that thing about the panties.

[1021] And then I'm like, wait, is that racist?

[1022] Is that problematic or whatever?

[1023] And then I'm like, this man is such a famous and prolific and legendary forensic pathologist.

[1024] If you don't watch true crime shit, you wouldn't know that Dr. Lee, Henry Lee is someone that we all fucking admire.

[1025] He's amazing.

[1026] Everyone, the minute he's in on it, you're like, oh, this is legit.

[1027] And also he has a building.

[1028] They went to his building with his name on the front.

[1029] of it to talk about some of that DNA stuff.

[1030] So, like, there's no, no sweat off Henry lays back in any way.

[1031] Absolutely not.

[1032] Yeah.

[1033] And he's not going to, he's also not going to bullshit.

[1034] He's not going to be paid to do a show with his opinion.

[1035] No. Because they need a certain opinion.

[1036] He's not going to lie.

[1037] No, I feel like all of those scientists really were there because, like, this thing is fucked and we need to look at it and at least just organize the paperwork.

[1038] I agree.

[1039] very least.

[1040] I agree.

[1041] The show was great.

[1042] I wish we could see the last un -aired portion of it.

[1043] I want to know what they cut out.

[1044] Yeah, I think they fucked everyone over by not showing that.

[1045] But I wonder if it was stuff that Burke Ramsey's lawyers were like, go ahead and air it will own CBS in a year.

[1046] What I was thinking is that the four bias docu -series before it covered so much of it already that they didn't were like, you know what, we don't need to add this.

[1047] Maybe except for, well, I have to see the other ones to know, but I don't know.

[1048] I mean, because their whole thing was like, we're going to discover all this stuff.

[1049] Werner Spitz.

[1050] Oh, God, I love him.

[1051] He has a straight up peeky blinders haircut.

[1052] If you watch peeky blinders, that's the same hair.

[1053] This second I saw him, I was like, oh, my God.

[1054] I love him.

[1055] Picture him and Henry Lee.

[1056] Put in a house together.

[1057] And they just, there's.

[1058] When people stop being polite.

[1059] and start being real.

[1060] Like that is my dream.

[1061] And then like there's just like, they just get like every morning they wake up and it's instead of Tyra male, it's like a fucking corpse and they have to figure out what happened to it.

[1062] Tyra male, it's a corpse.

[1063] Oh my God.

[1064] How great would that be?

[1065] I mean, we should just start our own network, I feel like, because also Warner Spitz guesting on peeky blinders.

[1066] Oh, gorgeous.

[1067] He could be the German.

[1068] Irish guy that comes in and just point some stuff out.

[1069] Listen, Emmys next year, we're there.

[1070] We're winning all of them.

[1071] We'll go down to the shrine and stand around near that Burger King.

[1072] Sure.

[1073] I'll get a fucking rent the runway dress.

[1074] Yeah, the whole thing actually made me, it made me think of like all of those other cases where people, the more people talk about it, the more people hear bullshit the more like you know like the we talked about the John Mark Carr theory where he had confessed to being her killer while he was in Malaysia somewhere to get out of being in jail because he is child molester who had gotten arrested for I think child sex tourism and knew that if he went to jail there he would just die in a pit somewhere and so he confessed to killing John Bnay and then was extradited.

[1075] That's really interesting.

[1076] And when he was extradited and everyone was talking about it, my sister gets a phone call from our childhood friend.

[1077] I didn't tell you this.

[1078] You did, but I don't remember it because I have no memory.

[1079] And she goes, oh my God, see that guy on the news right now?

[1080] That's the guy from my church group I've been complaining about.

[1081] And apparently John McArre lived in Petaluma and was in my sister's friend's church group.

[1082] And was the guy that everyone's like, I want to cancel a church group next week.

[1083] I feel so weird.

[1084] Like he was creeping people out and super weird, super like, super like, super just bad vibe suspicious and then I mean how like satisfying would that be and then you see him like basically confessing to the murder of Jonbenny Rams.

[1085] The minute I see him like you know when there's like the clips or the trailers to a Jeanbonnet fucking you know docu -series and I see him I'm like oh this isn't legit.

[1086] I don't want to hear about him no no no he has nothing to do with it aside from sensationalism.

[1087] He should just get a big red herring costume because that's all he is.

[1088] Should we?

[1089] All right I'm going to read a couple things.

[1090] Felicia said she did some digging last night and feel super confident about the Burke theory.

[1091] She'd learned some things she hadn't before.

[1092] Okay, this is interesting.

[1093] There was a 14 -year -old girl that was sexually molested by an intruder about nine months after Jean -Bene was murdered, very close to the Ramsey home.

[1094] Quote, Amy, was sexually assaulted in her bed by an intruder that they believed was lying in wait for four to six hours before the attack.

[1095] While they were all asleep, he was never caught, and the Boulder police disregarded the mother's suggestion that he could have been the killer of Jean -Beney.

[1096] Amy and Jean -Bene Ramsey attended the same dance studio.

[1097] Ew.

[1098] There are a lot of, okay, so the fact that they had a walk -through of their Christmas decorated house, the Ramsey's, what was it, a couple days before the murder?

[1099] Well, it was like a public walk -through?

[1100] Yeah.

[1101] Oh, I didn't know that.

[1102] You know, like when you do like a haunted house for Halloween.

[1103] So anyone could have been in there.

[1104] And the theory is that while the Ramseys were at a Christmas party that night, someone fucking came in, broken, knew someone who had a key, got in and hid and waited.

[1105] Yeah.

[1106] Totally possible.

[1107] And then there, like, depending on what side you want to argue, either the window in the basement had no leaves where someone scooted in or had an undisturbed spider web.

[1108] where that would have been disturbed as someone had scooted in like everyone who has a fucking definitive answer about this needs to stop it because there's not one no and that's that's the crazy the the cobweb one watching them on that one show yeah going in and out where I was just like yeah but then there's the one time where you don't touch it at all and because you're really skinny because you're on math or this or that like or you're careful one billion yes exactly the thing that I was thought was very suspicious was they first of all they're these millionaires they have two planes yeah but they've a broken window pain in their basement and they don't fix it like I'm the most irresponsible person in the world and when I broke my kitchen window I fixed it within three days yeah because it's your house yeah and it's an open window like it's unsafe it's glass and then there was some somewhere in that where they John Ramsey said that they left it like that because he locked locked himself out a lot he locked himself out a lot lot.

[1109] Right.

[1110] Which is insanity.

[1111] The fact that he admitted to that being his fault, I thought was very weird.

[1112] Super weird.

[1113] Because to me, it's like, oh, are you trying to justify if there's some latent print somewhere?

[1114] Because it doesn't even, what?

[1115] Get a height of key.

[1116] There's one million things, especially as a millionaire that you could do.

[1117] Yeah.

[1118] Buy a second fucking house.

[1119] Like, there's all these things you could do instead of breaking a window and leaving it that way.

[1120] I thought it was really, like, there's some things that to me were like, well, if you want to argue this thing this way you say this if you want to argue with you like there's things like um like the taser marks if you want it to be an intruder it's taser marks if you don't want it to be an intruder it's train track it's burke's toy train track marks yes every piece of evidence can be argued either way you fucking wanted to be argued i did think it was interesting when they argued the taser that tasers don't put you to sleep they actually like get your adrenaline going and like zap you and make you scream much awake yeah that's an interesting thing i think and i think that that could point to shoddy this super shoddy police um work of that these weird assumptions where it's like they were they were actually measuring it and being like yeah this doesn't even fit a taser shape it doesn't i think the thing for me all right let's let's do our big conclusion great i think because i'm so tired i'm so tired too.

[1121] Let's do the thing between between I think the ransom letter and the 911 call and what happened between when the cops came and her body was found, put down and then I think those things moved all over the house by neighbors and friends and picked up DNA all over the carpet and I think those things are the most telling more than anything else and the pineapple but also And I think those things all point to it.

[1122] Inside John?

[1123] And it makes more sense to me that one of the three people aside from Jean Bonnet in that house that night had something to do with it more than a stranger or someone else outside of it.

[1124] Yeah.

[1125] It just makes more sense.

[1126] It does.

[1127] I mean, the thing that's maddening, I guess, is that could be a little bit of everything.

[1128] It could be an intruder who opened that window and saw the suitcase in the room and put it there because he was like, I'm going to go get that little girl and take her out.

[1129] There's all these things that it could be a little piece of each.

[1130] But yes, I agree and believe that the ransom note is a lie and it's a fabrication.

[1131] And the 911 calls bullshit.

[1132] I don't buy her.

[1133] I don't buy her.

[1134] level it's acting and it's not good acting um and then the fact that that mag light flashlight fits the whole enjampena's head perfectly yeah is devastating like proof that or at least devastating proofs too much but it's that thing of like then you i just it suddenly made sense of like she did yet another irritating thing to him and And he grabbed something nearby, threw it at her, or, like, ran behind her and cracked her with it, not knowing.

[1135] Yeah.

[1136] You don't have to be, like, you know, crazy, the good son, evil child to make a terrible mistake.

[1137] To me, Patsy and Burke are Patsy's and John's.

[1138] The puppet master.

[1139] Yeah, ego.

[1140] Well, he's going to take care of business.

[1141] Like, yeah.

[1142] the worst case scenario thing happened.

[1143] Yeah.

[1144] And yeah, he's going to fix it.

[1145] And did you know that?

[1146] So out of all the, um, they did, I really like the, um, when they take apart the ransom note and, and look letter by letter of who it matches.

[1147] So, oh, God, where to go?

[1148] So all these people were, get my notes from under my cat.

[1149] Um, oh, God, where to go?

[1150] Well, a hundred people, their writing, their handwriting was compared to the ransom note.

[1151] Everyone was cleared and everyone keeps saying like, well, Patsy Ramsey was inconclusive.

[1152] And of the hundred people, hers was the only one that wasn't cleared.

[1153] Yeah.

[1154] That was, quote, inconclusive.

[1155] Yeah.

[1156] She also wrote out the words, $118 ,000.

[1157] Instead of the numbers.

[1158] Yeah.

[1159] Nobody fucking does that.

[1160] does that.

[1161] When asked to rewrite the ransom note, she did that.

[1162] But I also, I just, I have so much sympathy for her.

[1163] Well, yeah, the idea that she would, she would know that her child was murdered and then have to be a part of the cover up, have to be the voice of the cover up.

[1164] Yeah, the grieving mother.

[1165] And so then balance those feelings of you actually really did lose your child, but now in the name, just say if it's the Burke, in the name of your other child, you have to continue on and do this thing.

[1166] That's a sickening proposition.

[1167] Especially when you're someone who appearances means so much to you.

[1168] You and I don't give a fuck.

[1169] I'm sitting fucking spread eagle right now with shorts and I don't give a shit.

[1170] My roots need to be dyed so bad that strangers laugh at me on the street.

[1171] And yeah, to be wrapped up in that world, that trapping of it is its own pageantry.

[1172] It's an adult version of that of, look at my home.

[1173] Now there are balls of shit in my daughter's bed that my son put there, but please look at my Christmas tree.

[1174] And you're still winning, you're still going to win the crown if you're the fucking best at it.

[1175] That's right.

[1176] It's just different.

[1177] Insanity.

[1178] Also, there was that one quote where a little girl, and it's the woman that was interviewed, I call her the wine friend that said, I was, you know, turned out, cast out from the friendship where I was like, yeah, because you talk to fucking reporters and you clearly just like ran blabbing the second you could.

[1179] But she said that her daughter had gone up to John Bonnet's room with her one time and was looking at all the trophies and said, what are these?

[1180] And she said, I just won those, but they're really my mom's.

[1181] Thinking, first of all, I don't buy that that actually happened.

[1182] That sounds like some, I don't know.

[1183] Like an anecdote.

[1184] Someone would write on Twitter about their brilliant child.

[1185] Yeah.

[1186] Because it's such an old soul kind of thing, knowing, that's like her commenting on her, the reality of her own life in a way as if she's not a part of it.

[1187] to say, yes, my mother's very wrapped up in my career.

[1188] Talk about this on CPS when I'm dead.

[1189] Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

[1190] For a six -year -old, maybe if she was eight or, I mean, who knows?

[1191] Everyone wants to make their kids seem like an old soul, but really, they're just, like, they scream sesame street songs at the top of their fucking lungs.

[1192] They're new souls to everybody else in the restaurant when your child's screaming, so shut it.

[1193] Oh, no. Was that enough Jean -Bene talk for everybody?

[1194] I think it was a lot.

[1195] I think I'm done talking about this anymore.

[1196] Yeah, unless there's new information.

[1197] Yeah.

[1198] I would be interested in new information, but I feel like we've, we've just hit a peak a true zenith of Jean Bonnet reporting and, and also just that it's this thing of everybody going, true crime's so hot right now, true crime or whatever, where it's just like, yeah, but we don't need to keep talking about the same thing over and over.

[1199] The amount of research I've done on this person that I, this case that I'm really very interested it in and I feel a lot of fucking sadness and pain for the victim, I feel like if I keep fucking searching it and getting into it and talking about it, I'm just, I'm not, I'm desecrating her fucking memory.

[1200] And I just, I can't keep looking at fucking autopsy photos.

[1201] No. It's also, it's not good for your brain.

[1202] No. Like it's not, it's, you're not related.

[1203] You don't work on it.

[1204] You don't put yourself through it.

[1205] I saw a picture on Twitter moments this morning because there was nothing I was I was up at like six and there was nothing going on Twitter so I went I made the grave mistake of touching the moments button and seeing what the story was there and it said something about John Bonnet but the picture was one where I was like is this Angelina Jolie like her mouth is open and her head is tipped back and she's got all kinds of fucking makeup on and her hair's brushed away from her head so you can see like her tall forehead and she truly looks like she's 20 and it is such a sexual picture and that's the picture Twitter moments chose to use as the Jean Bonnet headline picture.

[1206] Not the cute one where she's got the little bangs and the little hat and she just looks like she's on vacation.

[1207] It was like she might as well been like grabbing her own neck.

[1208] It was such a sexual like perfume commercial.

[1209] Let's stop doing this.

[1210] It's stop it.

[1211] It's gross.

[1212] To her.

[1213] Poor baby.

[1214] I mean it's not going to stop though because it's it's so fucking salacious and it's so mysterious.

[1215] She is a sweet, we're going to file her away as a sweet baby angle.

[1216] and she will be in a and you're in mine and my favorite murder's hearts and we feel awful and wish it would be solved but it's not it's just not there's not even if it gets solved people are going to say it's a fucking conspiracy right yeah keep your babies close and keep your foreign factions even closer to the punk rock band and stay sexy and don't get murdered Elvis, want a cookie?

[1217] Want a cookie?

[1218] My?

[1219] Want cookie?

[1220] Meow?

[1221] Good boy.