#484 - Alexis Ohanian

[0] Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

[1] The Joe Rogan Experience.

[2] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night.

[3] All day.

[4] I don't know why we have to have the music, but we do.

[5] I like it.

[6] Otherwise, it doesn't.

[7] We've done it without the music several times.

[8] We just get fucking crazy.

[9] And we just go, we said, you know, let's do the least produced version of this possible.

[10] With no professionalism attached to it.

[11] Anyway, which would be hard.

[12] You guys run a tight ship hair.

[13] You got to go with your right name, dude.

[14] You got to go with the dumb man. Yeah, you got to go with that.

[15] Fuck all these these silly people that can't say that.

[16] Learn how to say that.

[17] Oh, Hanyan.

[18] That's awesome.

[19] The, well, I mean, my father, so my father was born in the States.

[20] Both of his parents had, were part of the generation that came over.

[21] So my dad pronounces it O 'Hanian as well.

[22] So, but I'll tell you this.

[23] I'll tell you what I own.

[24] See that first name?

[25] Alexis?

[26] You never call me Alex.

[27] Oh, okay.

[28] I like that.

[29] You grew up as a little pudgy kid named Alexis and you learned real quick to own that name.

[30] Oh, that's awesome.

[31] Because I was, I was born in 83 and my father.

[32] named me after a boxer, Alexis Argueo, this Nicaraguan fighter.

[33] I know exactly who he is.

[34] I got to see him fight live.

[35] Serious?

[36] Yeah, I got to see him fight live a long time ago.

[37] Me and my friend Jimmy Lawless, we went down to, I think it was in Lowell, Massachusetts.

[38] We saw Alexis Argueo live, and we saw Mickey Ward live before he became famous.

[39] He should have brought my father.

[40] What am I doing here?

[41] Oh, it was awesome.

[42] It was awesome.

[43] In Lowell.

[44] It was fucking great.

[45] Lowell, Massachusetts.

[46] Which is where Mickey Ward was from, so when he went out there, everybody went crazy.

[47] Yeah, I got to see him when he was an up -and -coming contender live.

[48] But C .N. R. Grayo.

[49] That's my pop.

[50] He showed me, he has an entire closet full of VHS tapes of his fights, which I keep telling he needs to do something about that is.

[51] Digitize, bitch.

[52] But now I just go on YouTube, and I got a quick query, and he had a wonderful mustache, an amazing left jab, and that combination is brutal.

[53] Well, Alexis Aguil was awesome.

[54] His straight right hand was a work of art. And his gentleman.

[55] Yeah, a really, really good guy.

[56] Like a real man, a real man's man. So that was my namesake.

[57] He died young, right?

[58] He did.

[59] Did he die of a suicide?

[60] If you, I've talked to Nicaraguan's about this, and there, you know, he got very involved politically after his fighting days, and there are a lot of people who believe there was more to that story.

[61] No way, man. That never happens.

[62] Nobody ever kills anybody and tries to make it work of suicide.

[63] It's never happened, bro.

[64] It's been snoped.

[65] Have you ever snoped it?

[66] I love my Snopes.

[67] I love Snopes, too.

[68] Snopes end a lot of stupid fucking arguments.

[69] I always thought it was snoops.

[70] This is one of the advantages of the interwebs.

[71] I know what you mean.

[72] Isn't it like they're snooping for the facts?

[73] No, no. And I think it's Snopes.

[74] It's Snopes.

[75] If it was Snoops, it would have two O's.

[76] You could probably check Snopes for this, though.

[77] You can probably check Snopes for this, though.

[78] If the English language wasn't so goofy and there wasn't any weird exceptions like that, it would be so easy to shit on you right now.

[79] But there's a lot of ones that don't make any sense.

[80] It's a pretty fucked up language.

[81] This is very bizarre.

[82] And it's more bizarre when you're working with, you know, words like Ohanian.

[83] I know, man. You know, it's like, it fits it.

[84] Or, you know, that's one of the reasons where you've got to give Schwarzenegger's props.

[85] That's a bold, goddamn move.

[86] The guy owned Schwarzenegger.

[87] Arnold.

[88] And Arnold, too.

[89] Arnold is fucking, that's the kid from different strokes, you know what I mean?

[90] It's not the manliest most manly bodybuilder ever.

[91] He made it, though.

[92] Fuck, yeah, dude.

[93] See, Arnold, definitely a fighter.

[94] I know I'm not.

[95] I didn't fulfill my father's prophecy of me being a box.

[96] instead, I guess I'm a lover, not a fighter.

[97] Well, you figured your own path out, sir.

[98] Thank goodness.

[99] Thank God for computers.

[100] You don't have to be a fighter, like, in the physical form.

[101] Obviously, you figured out a way to succeed.

[102] You figured out some cool shit.

[103] For sure.

[104] I mean, that's what everybody admired about Alexis Argueo was the same thing that anybody admires about anybody who is involved in the creation of something cool.

[105] And you're involved in the creation of the coolest fucking website on the internet.

[106] You're involved in Reddit.

[107] Yeah.

[108] You can't get a better.

[109] hub of information like when new things innovation a lot of gossipy bullshit too but that's people that's what we do that's what we do is people we like to talk shit but other than that I mean the the resource if anything is going down anywhere in the world at any time you can pretty much find it at Reddit and it gets verified the vote -up system like good posts rise to the top bad posts fall down it's such a smart cool thing and really the model I think for like online discourse when it comes to like message board type discourse.

[110] I think you guys are the model, you know?

[111] We, I mean, it's, it's amazing.

[112] When Steve, Steve Hoffman, my co -founder and I started this thing, we were in a little apartment in Medford, Massachusetts.

[113] I lived in Medford.

[114] We were on 72.

[115] I feel bad for whoever lives there now.

[116] Can I say that?

[117] No, don't say it.

[118] Definitely not.

[119] People go, fuck, no. I don't want to get in trouble.

[120] Yeah, it's on fucking, you know, whatever.

[121] What's with the questions?

[122] But the, uh, I'm in Medfa.

[123] Medfa.

[124] Yeah, and it was, it was a great.

[125] We had just graduated from college, just graduated at UVA, went up to Boston.

[126] We raised 12 grand from Y Combinator, which would go on to invest in like Dropbox, Airbnb, and Reddit.

[127] And with 12 grand of the bank, we worked our asses off for three months in that little apartment and built Reddit.

[128] And it's, to be a top of the website now, 150 million people a month.

[129] It's crazy.

[130] I love hearing shit like that.

[131] And that's so cool.

[132] That's the American dream, man. That is the American dream, 100%.

[133] We were just some nerds with 12 grand in the bank.

[134] Total.

[135] We just worked with a couple laptops, no connections, and, you know.

[136] Well, what's the American dream, right?

[137] I mean, the American dream where your parents somewhere in their past, either their parents or their parents' parents' parents came over from Armenia.

[138] Oh, yeah, yeah, my father's side fled the genocide.

[139] So what year was this?

[140] We're talking about the early 1900s.

[141] Yeah, so 1915 was when it got started.

[142] If you want to get really real, so my birthday is April 24th, which is the remembrance day of the genocide.

[143] So, like, so I'm half Armenian.

[144] On my father's side, I'm full on Armenian.

[145] On my mother's side, I'm full on German.

[146] She actually immigrated.

[147] She was fresh off the boat from Deutschland.

[148] Wow.

[149] So it's a really interesting 20th century.

[150] Dude, your DNA has gone through some shit.

[151] Yeah, it's a range.

[152] Yeah, and I feel like having, I mean, right there, yeah, certainly from the Armenian side, you know, they came out of survival.

[153] My mom actually came for love to marry my dad very romantic.

[154] But both of them, right?

[155] The reality was leaving her life, she was on track.

[156] to be like a pharmacist in Germany, but coming to the States, she was just an ignorant, like, degreeless immigrant, right?

[157] And quote unquote.

[158] And so she worked jobs that she had to work just because it was paying the bills.

[159] Like she worked as an au pair.

[160] She worked in, I'm so incredibly, like, proud of what she did to leave a life behind a comfortable great life in Germany to start fresh here.

[161] And then obviously my father's family, like, you know, when you grow up with a bunch of Armenians, you know real quick how lucky you are to have that sort of genetic lottery of being born here instead of over there.

[162] Yeah, I didn't, I was totally ignorant to the genocide until I was interviewing a fighter, Manny Gamburian, after one of his fights, and he was dedicating his victory to the victims of the Armenian genocide, and he was like trying to bring awareness to it, and I was like, wow.

[163] Good for him.

[164] Yeah, he's very proud Armenian, so I had to look it up and find out what was all about, but that's one of those ones that you don't hear about too much.

[165] another horrific event in human history.

[166] It is certainly really unspoken.

[167] And I'm trying to think, I discovered system of a down because I was listening to 98 Rock back in Maryland and I heard Serge talking about the genocide.

[168] And I was like, who is on a rock station talking about the Armenian Genocide?

[169] And I'm like, oh, Armenian rock band.

[170] Isn't it crazy how one event like that can make, I mean, it's not that Armenians wouldn't be, have like nationalistic pride or pride of origin before that.

[171] But that one event has everybody bonded together so much more.

[172] And especially because a lot of folks don't even know about the Armenian genocide.

[173] It is, and I was a history major too in school.

[174] So I've thought a lot about this.

[175] And it's partially because it is unrecognized in Turkey and even here in the U .S. on a national level.

[176] But it's this, I think it's the fact that it's still this open wound.

[177] And it seems, it may seem moot.

[178] Like I understand, the people who committed this are long dead.

[179] Right.

[180] But it's, I think it has such an effect on the psyche because we're all like, Well, hold on, this, like, they're to deny the existence that this thing happened is so incredibly offensive because it's not doing justice to all the people we know.

[181] It's crazy that we're having this conversation because just 17 hours ago, the U .S. Senate Committee passed an Armenian genocide resolution.

[182] Seriously?

[183] Yep.

[184] So it's still got to go, still to the House or did it already?

[185] It says, I don't know how it works.

[186] I don't know.

[187] But it says 12 senators voted for the resolution.

[188] I feel like when I have to pay attention to how the government works as far like.

[189] senators and congressmen and representatives I get angry.

[190] It hurts.

[191] So I just shut it off.

[192] I don't want to know who has to go to who.

[193] You know why?

[194] Because your system sucks.

[195] It's broken.

[196] This is such a donkey ass old king system.

[197] Made when people are riding fucking horses and hurling bows and arrows at each other.

[198] This fucking system's retarded.

[199] So you make me know who is it has to go through the house and the house passes the senator.

[200] The senator must pass muster the fuck out of here.

[201] It's dumb.

[202] And it is it has been so co -opted.

[203] buy a buy money and and and it's it's frustrating it is and and I am an optimist don't get me wrong I still I think the internet I mean the reason the reason in part I wrote the book the reason I campaign against Sopa Pippa was I really believe the internet can be a way for us to get the government that we deserve I completely agree it's just it's a process and there's a lot of a lot of shit to get through well I think what the process really is is in changing the way people's minds operate and I think that that process without a doubt has already begun I think kids of today I'm 46 years old, so anyone who's in their 20s, I guess, I'd be talking about kids of today.

[204] They're men, but they're kids.

[205] They are so much more advanced than I ever was when I was at that age.

[206] Than I was.

[207] I was a fucking monkey.

[208] I knew nothing.

[209] I knew neighborhood, couple books, you know, CNN News every now and then.

[210] I knew nothing.

[211] Yeah.

[212] It's amazing.

[213] And it is, I visited 77 universities on the tour.

[214] And it makes me jealous, frankly.

[215] It makes me very hopeful, too.

[216] But you're a part of it, man. Yeah, but look, this is, like, these kids grew up.

[217] Like, I remember getting that modem.

[218] I had a 336 in middle school.

[219] I remember getting my first PC.

[220] It was a 486 SX.

[221] My parents, I was lucky enough to get that when I got it in middle school, right?

[222] My parents didn't have a ton of money, and they didn't know shit about technology, but they knew enough, and I got that chance, and that has provided everything for me. But there are kids coming up today who, by and large, have known this technology from jump.

[223] And they've known, they don't even know what a dial -up sounds like.

[224] That's insane.

[225] And so they think of knowledge as being something in real time.

[226] Like you were saying earlier, you know, we're sort of developing this attitude of like, oh, right, we can go seek out this information.

[227] We can squelch gossip on Snopes or we can go learn how to do, we can learn string theory on Khan Academy.

[228] But this generation coming up, they just, they take it for granted because they just know, oh, I have a problem where I need to figure something out or I want to create something and share it like the Internet.

[229] And that's how, that's how all of us got to learn the programming languages that helped us build things.

[230] things like Reddit, but it's helping filmmakers right now.

[231] It's helping artists.

[232] It's helping photographers.

[233] It's helping comedians, right?

[234] Like, think of the wealth of knowledge that the up -and -coming comic now has to learn from, to look, to share.

[235] Like, it's amazing.

[236] Yeah, the amount of, the, the resource of just finding things to talk about.

[237] As long as they don't men see it, though.

[238] Can't do that.

[239] It's horrible.

[240] That's a verb now.

[241] Um, the, but the, like, the, the amount of internet, like, uh, internet websites, internet search engines, the amount of, uh, social media networks, whether it's Facebook or Twitter, just a sheer amount of funny stories that are coming your way as a comic today, it's like, if you can't write new material, it's like you're just not paying attention.

[242] It's not like the old days you had to wait for shit to happen, you know, living in fucking Pennsylvania and just looking left and look, come on, I need something to talk about.

[243] Like, now, all you go online, it's like, it's constant, it's overflowing.

[244] It sucks, though, because the same comics are also looking at the same news story and writing jokes about that.

[245] That's totally going to happen.

[246] That's totally going to happen.

[247] without a doubt like uh i was doing something about almond milk and somebody uh let me know on the podcast that what's his face um lewis black has a great hunk on soy milk it's basically the same joke and uh like you find that out because the internet too but you that the good thing is you like i wouldn't have known that unless i'd like that joke could have made it into my arsenal and then i wouldn't have even known that lewis black had it and then you know it would be i would be accused of plagiarism I would feel stupid.

[248] Can you change almond milk to something else?

[249] I don't know.

[250] It's not important.

[251] It's a tiny part of the bit.

[252] But because of the internet, I know all this.

[253] And think about it this way, right?

[254] Like, the speed with which you can learn shit, this is, this brings everyone up.

[255] Like, it forces us, this is, and we see this in tech all the time.

[256] Just because of the nature of writing code and creating applications, you know, competition is, this is as efficient as it gets.

[257] There's new stuff coming out every day.

[258] And it forces you to stay up and to be innovating and to be pushing.

[259] And now I think of it as there are so many more in this instance like comics who are connected, who are watching, who are seeing what someone is doing.

[260] They're like, all right, like, I'm not going to take that joke.

[261] But now I just got to, I have to push harder or faster.

[262] And on the whole, I think we all benefit because we'll get better jokes.

[263] Well, human beings would benefit.

[264] The artistic expression will benefit.

[265] The real problem with plagiarism, whether it's in that or blogs, you see it in blogs a lot.

[266] I mean, people still are getting busted for it.

[267] Yeah, rightfully so.

[268] Yeah, absolutely.

[269] The difference between the mindset is what's really important.

[270] Like the guy who's an actual writer, the guy who or the girl, who's an actual writer, the girl who's an actual comic, what they're trying to do is figure shit out, and they're trying to find ridiculous points in things, and then make funny observations about those points.

[271] If you're just copying stuff, then you're not exercising whatever it is that tunes you into those ideas in the first place, so that you're lost when you're done.

[272] If you get busted stealing jokes, and then you have to write your own.

[273] You're like, holy shit.

[274] Like, I don't even know how to do this.

[275] Like, you're like an open micer.

[276] That's why you see, like, the guys have been accused of plagiarism.

[277] There's just, like, high period in their careers and then this massive drop -off where you look at it and you go, oh, my God.

[278] Like, who the fuck is writing this?

[279] Like, this isn't funny at all.

[280] Like, you went from being this guy with these really funny points to this monkey with dog shit coming out of your mouth.

[281] And what is that from?

[282] Which could be the act.

[283] Yeah, it could be a good act.

[284] It's probably better than your job.

[285] jokes but it's because they never really did it in the first place they were just stealing and that that mindset they seem to be mutually exclusive like people who are really creative are almost never the type of person that would even think about plagiarizing so it's kind of fascinating how it's a but something like reddit exposes that quick like this i found out about this found out about this on twitter but just social media just the ability to communicate with the people just it's unprecedented and and i you have to to, I mean, in 05, two of us in a little apartment, there's no Twitter, there's no Tumblr, Facebook is still in colleges.

[286] It's still in, like, elite colleges back then.

[287] It was a different world, but, and to give credit words, too, I mean, I really, I do believe we're all standing on the shoulders of giants, also not my quote, but like, you know, the message board, right?

[288] That's nothing new, right?

[289] We had message boards.

[290] I ran a message board in college forum, you know, before that.

[291] When did they come out?

[292] Like, what was the first year of the message board?

[293] Oh, I mean, really early internet.

[294] You've got BBS systems.

[295] You've got, I mean, like the forum Usenet, you've got, like basic forum software where someone creates an account usually with like a pseudonym, right?

[296] They create an account.

[297] They post a link or they have a discussion.

[298] This stuff, this stuff is as old as the internet as the worldwide web.

[299] What Steve and I got right was we adapted it, modernized it a bit because we'd let people, you know, at large, upvote or downvote.

[300] And essentially, I mean, I hate to simplify it that much, but Reddit is like a next generation.

[301] forum platform.

[302] And then what we realized that Dig and all the Dig clones didn't realize was that they were just one front page.

[303] We knew if we were going to win, we would have to be a platform for communities.

[304] Dig was a platform for a community, right?

[305] The front page would only have so much stuff on it.

[306] But we knew, you know, Steve and I knew that, yeah, we had a, you know, there were things we were interested in it, right?

[307] We're interested in technology.

[308] We're interested in the Redskins.

[309] We're interested in, like, just football.

[310] Like, we might have a certain audience.

[311] But what's going to make this work is if anyone who has a particular community or a following, whether you love my little pony and want to create a Reddit about that, a subreddit, which there are lots, or you want to create about your favorite team, or you want to create about your favorite TV show, or just about science, or asking questions about science, ask science, amazing sub.

[312] All these things exist because we knew this has to be a platform.

[313] Just like Twitter is a platform for individuals, this would be a platform for communities.

[314] It's just amazing that it's been able to be pulled off the way it is.

[315] The vote up, vote down system is such a brilliant system because Steve, you're always going to have noise.

[316] You're always going to have people that just want to make noise.

[317] You're always going to have people that just want to be twatts.

[318] And now you can sort of at least, without censoring, you sort of just push that to the bottom.

[319] And it's not perfect.

[320] I will argue, and this is all to Steve's credit.

[321] Yeah, I mean, there is no perfect system.

[322] We constantly fight against ring voting, all that stuff.

[323] But Steve built a really smart system with a really smart hotness algorithm.

[324] And by the way, we're open source.

[325] So if you want that, go take it.

[326] It's there.

[327] and I think it is for what it is it's one of the best on the web and I think that's why our content is so good it used to be right we started with just people linking stuff out the first link on Reddit fun fact was a submission I made to the Downing Street memo remember that it was showing this leaked memo during the run up to the Iraq war the English government kind of saying like hey we're going to drum up some you know support here to support America going into this war and it was my first submission and it was a link to another was that the proposed false flag event yes well the the the notion being we could pull this thing up um the notion being what's it called again uh downing street memo and so this was leaked out as basically an indication that the british government really wanted to help drum up support for the war i don't know how explicit it was i don't recall if it was like an explicit like i guess they wouldn't call it a false flag thing in the memo but we're going to do a stunt but yeah what if they have like code words and then the big bad wolf says but this was the first submission to Reddit and it wasn't that new at the time but I was just thinking like hey what if this thing actually worked like what would we want Reddit to be a place to like find and have people linked to and this seemed like the perfect thing right the internet enabled some person to put this image of a leaked document online and shared the world right massive printing press but what's crazy is we thought that's how it was going to always be maybe like three years in some user because users are fucking clever linked to a comments page like they knew when they hit submit what the link would be like the number the random number we would not quite random the sequential number we would generate and so they linked to what they effectively do is create a self post which is now a feature in the site but basically Reddit only used to let people link out to other sites one user hacked it and learned you could just link to itself and create this amazing comment thread so you wouldn't you know when you click on it when you do an AMA right you're not creating something that links somewhere else you're creating something that just creates a Reddit comment page.

[328] And what that user did by hacking the site was show that there was a tremendous value in just saying, hey, people, have a discussion about whatever it is.

[329] And today, I believe it's a little less than half of our content is actually linking to Reddit.

[330] So it's actually, it's an AMA or it's an Ask Historian's post or it's just people talking about shit.

[331] It's not even linking to other content on the internet.

[332] And we never could have seen that coming.

[333] Wow, that's awesome.

[334] And it was just the user being creative, basically hacking our site to you know in the that word we need to take back right we need to take back hack and make it a positive thing yeah it's you can life hack you can you see this right you can life how you can you can body hack you can basically find a understand a system so well that you can find an optimal way to use it to your advantage yeah that's it that's hacking it's not it's not the like angelina jolie bagging on a keyboard hoodie and like doing evil it can be but it's a much more innocuous word yeah it's it seems to have weird it's got a combination of meanings it's like some people use it in a negative way but some people use it in a positive way like dude I fucking hack the system like someone saying I hacked the system that's that that's you know that's in a positive way but oh these hackers broke into this website and put dicks in everybody's picture you know like that's how we look at it we also have this weird sort of connection to adolescents like adolescent pranks hacking being some sort of an adolescent prankster type behavior, which I don't think is fair either.

[335] You know what it is?

[336] And even that's an interesting point.

[337] There are there's definitely the there's a there was a there has always been a spirit of like pranking in the hacker community like I'm talking like OG hackers like MIT Bill in the internet early like Steve Wozniak being example and I think what's cool is there's that child like wonder like because I think a lot of that shit usually gets beaten out of us as we get older.

[338] Right.

[339] Especially in a lot of traditional industries and whatnot.

[340] And so I'd like to believe that that can even like be an excuse for people to think about stuff a little differently and think about stuff a little more like let face take things so less seriously um as part of that broader cultural yeah no it's cool that there's a prankster type thing rather than an evil vicious mean type thing you know like when they hack someone's and they put a smiley face on their front page instead of that's kind of funny i mean it's kind of funny you know well well now we know that someone can hack into your page i mean in a way it's probably good that you know that that's possible.

[341] I mean, I don't encourage people to just go hacking anybody's website because it fucks up that person's day.

[342] But all in all, overall, you should be lucky that someone's doing that.

[343] And that if they're doing it, hopefully they're not stealing your credit card information and doing it maliciously.

[344] There's a whole, I mean, we can, I don't know, I can dig into this.

[345] There's the, so there's the white, so like the white hat hacker is the quintessential like, hey, I found out there's a problem with your website.

[346] I'm not going to exploit it.

[347] I'm just telling you.

[348] So you need to fix it or hire me and fix it.

[349] We're But usually just like, and we had, we've had white hat hackers periodically emailing us with exploits on Reddit that have done us a huge service because they told us about this thing.

[350] We could, I mean, you can't possibly know every.

[351] No, you can't, you know.

[352] Yeah, it's interesting, man. It's, it's, the amount of information that's available now has got it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, the world is so wired that it's like we're, we're standing in this crazy river of ideas that are just constantly flying.

[353] and bias and a few people are looking around poking their head up out of the water and just looking at each other going holy shit and the the internet is where it all sort of pools together i mean that's the channel for it all and that's where it all pulls together in places like reddit or places like twitter all over where you just you think about how much you know now how many things you've been exposed to now how many strange bits of information all the chaos that was caused by WikiLeaks and Edward Snowden and all this stuff.

[354] Where's all this coming from?

[355] Well, it's all on the internet.

[356] The internet is just boom, boom, it's like these shots are being fired and these holes are being exploded into the system.

[357] And then, you know, there's a bunch of scrambling to try to put scaffolding up where the hole was and boom!

[358] Another hole gets blown out of the fucking society standards.

[359] It is weird.

[360] It is probably a really scary time to be an incumbent.

[361] Oh, yeah.

[362] But it's a great time to be an upstart it's a great time to be someone who is trying to find a way to get their ideas to the world because there's never been a better time yeah there's never been a better time to be an honest politician it's a good good move it would be and that's just it right that brings us like i i i hope we get there because we need to i'm a big fan of the states and i think we can evolve i really do it's just going to take a lot it's just going to take a lot of these old fucks getting out of office these people that have been doing it in a sneaky dirty underhanded way since the jump I mean there's fucking people in office that were alive when Kennedy was assassination and they were like in government and they're still involved I don't think it was supposed to be a career pretty sure the founding fathers didn't want it to be a career yeah it was the exact opposite of that that's the service that's one of the reasons why they wanted to put term limits they wanted to make sure they they don't get too much of a stranglehold on how things operate because men just do that men are creepy fucks when we get power some of us they get to positions of power like that they just distort things to their advantage and then you're stuck with lobbyists and you're stuck with these arlen specter type dudes and who's also involved in the single bullet theory is one of those long term yeah really yeah he was the guy who came up with the idea he was the that's like when people say the single bullet theory you know you're looking at it all wrong arlin specter motherfucker that guy that guy came up with it that's how goofy that fucking idea was one bullet went through two people and caused all this fucking damage in their body and barely like barely dented the bullet the bullet looked beautiful little pieces of bullet in their bodies nothing missing from the bullet whatever whatever this is a magic bullet this is a single bullet is that arlin specter guy yeah it's his idea he had to come up with a reason why one bullet had done so much damage people right now that are anti - kennedy conspiracies theorists are going nuts right now possibly even on reddit the rogan such a fucking retard with this poet theory.

[363] But that all came from our inspector.

[364] That all came from that sort of old school politician, those guys that had just been around and been a part of the system for just too long.

[365] I wonder if it's possible to do to, I mean, I want to be hopeful enough to think that there is a chance for someone to get into it for the right reasons and then be able to stay in it for the right reasons and not get.

[366] A lot of them probably, I mean, fuck guys, guys like Arlen Spector, I'm sure probably got into it for all the right reasons.

[367] But I think there's certain systems that once you get into you just look around and you go oh fuck like it's just such a mess a viper's nest that you're like what it when you're a young guy it's like did you see the movie uh wolf wall street of course yeah well this i don't know how much of it was a hustle you know what i mean i mean whenever you have a story and the guy who it's his life it's based in the story it's probably gonna make him look a little bit nicer than he was a little bit more innocent in the beginning in the movie but it's that system where you see leonard capro he starts out he's a family man he's a nice guy he drinks water he doesn't want to have any to do with drugs and he gets co -opted by the matthew mccane mccona hey hey character and then he becomes a part of this system that's fucked up and so he's a victim he becomes uh someone that you could sort of sympathize west you know how much of that is real yeah that's i i definitely i i can can only imagine, because you've got to figure, I mean, why someone who gets into, that whole industry, actually, the whole finance industry just blows my mind.

[368] Yeah, it does.

[369] Because I really like, I really like making things and doing things.

[370] And, and I just can't even wrap my head around getting into work every day and just hustling like that.

[371] Well, it's a crazy way to live.

[372] Those guys are maniacs.

[373] Yeah.

[374] A guy used to know that I grew up with, he became a stockbroker.

[375] And he was a, he was a maniac.

[376] He was a maniac.

[377] And all of a sudden, he's like, bro, we're fucking selling stocks and shit.

[378] It's great.

[379] It's amazing.

[380] I saw him in a bar wearing a suit with a tie.

[381] I'm like, what the fuck are you doing with a suit on?

[382] Like, he was an animal, this guy.

[383] And all of a sudden he was a stockbroker.

[384] They're like maniacs, a lot of them.

[385] Like wild, crazy, gambling, risking maniacs.

[386] They need to fix.

[387] I think if you had a job in a system like that, and I'm not equating politicians with these kind of guys, with stockbrokers, but I think a system that's equally fucked, the political system is equally fucked, is a financial system.

[388] You look at the both of them.

[389] You're like, wait, wait, wait, why are you doing it like that?

[390] What is that?

[391] A derivative is what is it, fuck?

[392] Oh, no. What did you guys make?

[393] You were making things up now.

[394] What did you make?

[395] You have $100 billion.

[396] You don't have any money.

[397] There's no money here at all.

[398] This is crazy.

[399] That system is equally fucked to the political system.

[400] Like, wait, the fucking, hold on a second.

[401] The Supreme Court just changed the limits.

[402] They just made it so that you can just unload money on politicians.

[403] Citizens United, yeah, I got a nice little jump site.

[404] It's crazy.

[405] It's crazy.

[406] Yeah.

[407] So I think equal system, once you incorporate yourself into it, like a lot of these politicians who probably do go into it with good intentions, I think you find along the way that if you try to buck the system completely, you probably get blackpalled.

[408] There's probably going to be a lot of blowback against you by your party, by competing parties.

[409] You're going to be in a tough situation, you against the world.

[410] And that's how they survive.

[411] They survive by sort of attacking each other like this.

[412] and then propping up these individual candidates that differ only slightly from each other, and all of them supported by the same giant hood of money that comes from corporations.

[413] It's crazy.

[414] It's a crazy system.

[415] So if you're a young guy and you're a senator from Delaware and you decide that you want to make some changes in this world, and if you elect me, I'm going to blah, blah, blah, blah, and then you get in there and you're like, oh, fuck.

[416] You're making me really optimistic right now, Joe.

[417] And I just got off my house of cards bender, which, you know, amazing.

[418] I think those systems are inherently corrupting.

[419] That's what I'm saying.

[420] Yeah.

[421] I just think that younger people have to, it almost has to be like transparency involved in your actions is going to reach such a tipping point.

[422] Oh, yeah.

[423] That there will be no room for corruption.

[424] And once that happens.

[425] Different story.

[426] Yeah.

[427] And it's got to be on the way there, right?

[428] All the forces certainly seem to be on their way.

[429] I mean, it's crazy.

[430] We still live in an age where these senators.

[431] and congresspeople are still doing what they're doing on their Twitter direct messages or...

[432] You mean sending dickpicks, yo?

[433] Yeah, but the funny thing is there's this kind of like, okay, at a certain point there'll be a mutually assured destruction where like the president is going to have like photos of herself from like a party in high school.

[434] Right.

[435] We're going to get to a certain point where everyone's got shit on everyone from all the stuff we did ever, but that's going to take a little while.

[436] And in the meantime, I mean, I hope that the thing that still makes me hopeful is coming back to the sort of the finance side of things, money is the corrupting influence in Washington, one of the biggest.

[437] And right now, there are a few people who can put in a lot of money and having a lot of an effect.

[438] What I hope the internet can do, and we've started seeing this happen, is in the same way that it's given a voice to people through social media, we can start using small amounts of money and in aggregate start having a really big impact.

[439] And we've seen these money bombs before in 2008 and in 12, but I feel like the software is going to keep getting better and better with crowdfunding and with these models that are going to really inspire people to want to give to a candidate and know that there's actually going to be accountability to with how that's spent and who they are and whatnot.

[440] One of the big ones, one of the really big ones that people think is kind of frivolous, especially people who don't smoke marijuana, is the legalization of it.

[441] The legalization of marijuana in Washington State and Colorado is fucking gigantic.

[442] Yeah.

[443] The impacts that it's had on their economy, it's been so big.

[444] that there's everyone's forced to step back and go wait a minute well okay all right so now we know it's a lot of sweaty hands rubbing on their pants and a lot of fucking late night meetings and a lot of guys pacing back and forth and a lot of people yelling john they're going to smoke pot okay they're going to fucking smoke it no matter what are we doing here let's make some money yeah we can't we can't fix the street we can't hire new teachers well and that's the and that's right if if if if that money being used on the war against drugs were being used for more productive things and we did legalize, my goodness.

[445] The war against drugs is a crazy idea.

[446] It's a crazy term.

[447] It's like the war against breathing.

[448] You know, we figured out drugs it's probably made people better in a million different ways.

[449] The idea that you've got a war against it is, and it's just you're calling it drugs.

[450] You don't make it a distinction.

[451] The war against negative, lethal drugs that are addictive.

[452] You don't even make any distinctions.

[453] It's just a war against drugs.

[454] So what are you going to break in the fucking store and steal all the aspirin at gunpoint?

[455] Like, what is this war you're saying?

[456] Yeah, it's ridiculous.

[457] It's preposterous.

[458] And I hope, you know, the, I know D .C.'s, I don't know where D .C. is at right now.

[459] I was on the table.

[460] Maryland just decriminalized.

[461] Yeah, that's awesome.

[462] It's a step in the right direction.

[463] And I mean, what happens, like, what happens if we get legal weed in the District of Columbia?

[464] Now, I know they're not technically a state because that's ridiculous.

[465] It'll happen.

[466] It has to.

[467] But, like, at what point, you know, I, like, I see the discrepancy between the federal law and the state laws, but, like, if you're not having feds knocking down doors in the district of Columbia, like, you know, I think maybe everyone's in agreement.

[468] here and you see so many so many ex -law enforcement so many ex -dea people come out in support of legalization because they realize if the goal if we have a common goal here um to actually make our streets safer and actually curb the the criminal element that comes in with this um legalization is the way to do it and make a lot of money and help help a lot of people live better lives because they don't have to be treated like criminals for a drug like marijuana i've never seen a single person that i didn't think was just trolling, say that they think that marijuana should stay illegal.

[469] Anyone worth having a conversation with?

[470] Like, when I hear Ann Coulter say it, I'm like, this bitch is trolling.

[471] She's trolling.

[472] She's too good at it.

[473] Obvious troll is obvious.

[474] She's got a half a fucking smile while she's doing it.

[475] Did you just meme it?

[476] You did.

[477] I did.

[478] That's another cool thing that came out of places like Reddit is memes.

[479] Reddit and message boards, these memes.

[480] I mean, there are, obviously, 4chan is still a hub.

[481] for a lot of that meme creation.

[482] I feel like at this point.

[483] That's Veehub, right?

[484] Yes.

[485] That's where it all began, isn't it?

[486] Wait, it is, I mean, it is one of the or message boards.

[487] That's a classic 4chan, that picture?

[488] Yeah.

[489] That's a classic 4chan picture.

[490] And it's just, it's so interesting because now there are enough, basically, right, 10 years ago, the culture of people who were spending a lot of time communicating on forums online was pretty small.

[491] Right.

[492] And now, right, everyone's taking their selfies.

[493] Like, it has reached a point where, it's nearly, it's so, so ubiquitous or so close to it, but yeah, these memes, these funny, interesting image, whatever they are, can catch hold and literally millions of people can see it.

[494] I mean, it gets a little weird when you see, like, Rick Astley in the Thanksgiving Day parade a couple years ago, Rick Rowling everyone.

[495] Yes, that was weird.

[496] That's a little, that's like a little weird.

[497] A little art influencing life in a strange way.

[498] Yeah, yeah.

[499] Yeah, that was weird, man. The Rick Roll, it's a strange thing with something just catches on like a virus, like a real disease and spreads across, I mean, or an organism, almost like a thing with a lifespan.

[500] We, like, as, I mean, as humans, we are, and I'm not saying plagiarism here, but like we are sort of intrinsically copy machines.

[501] And that, like, early man, right, sees someone else hunting a little better than him.

[502] And he's like, oh, I could use that as a weapon.

[503] Dude, this guy, this guy over here, let's all make weapons, right?

[504] And we are really good at seeing what someone is doing.

[505] And that's how we learn.

[506] Yes.

[507] And what's so wild is, you know, know, because of that hyper -connectivity, because of how fast these ideas now spread, right?

[508] These memes, like, humans are sort of naturally really good at this, but now we can spread this shit faster than ever before, right?

[509] Within hours, within minutes, millions of people can see an interesting photo of a cat or an interesting video or what have you.

[510] You know, Alexis, you can't do that on your own.

[511] You didn't get there on your own.

[512] Yeah, but I think what Obama was trying to say when he was trying to say that you didn't build that, you didn't make that.

[513] He was, you know, about the infrastructure that's required, you know, to To build your own small business, man, was that speech that he was so criticized from.

[514] There was, that, that quote was definitely taken out of context.

[515] But it was a shit quote.

[516] The reality is it was, he, he said it very poorly.

[517] Like, but it's essentially, what we're saying is we all needed someone before us to come up with all these ideas that we all piggybacked on.

[518] Shoulders a giants, man. And I, everybody.

[519] Look, dude, I mean, I, I have been incredibly fortunate, right?

[520] I saw my company when I was 23 years old.

[521] All right.

[522] That was crazy, crazy.

[523] Dude, how much code did you do?

[524] Don't lie.

[525] I have actually never done coke.

[526] Good for you.

[527] Never done it.

[528] If you were hanging out with that guy, you would have done coke.

[529] You would add too much coke and you'd be, I'd ask you that question.

[530] You'd go, wow, bad things, man. You'd have weird eyebrow hairs.

[531] You can't explain.

[532] Like, when did that start growing?

[533] I hate coke.

[534] It's not, I am, I feel like caffeine is enough of a stimulant for me that I'm more interested in the stuff that, you know, calms me down.

[535] Yes.

[536] Chills me out.

[537] Chills me out.

[538] And that's what I think would change.

[539] Like turkey.

[540] That's one of the things that, is changing right now in in america because of the fact that the spread of this stuff the the what the spread that's starting out first of all information wise when people found out the real truth about like the ld 50 rates like you can't die from it like it's not impossible and that malarkey document or film refer madness oh it's great it's ridiculous it's great to watch now yeah fascinating film yeah it's um that's a that's a fascinating movie it's fun to watch today but just a lot of people that still believe that it does something negative, that it slows you down, or it removes motivation.

[541] I think people have to realize, like, the motivation for motivation in the first place, like, why is that so inspiring to you?

[542] Like, what is motivation?

[543] You want someone to get off their ass and get a job and get to work?

[544] Well, they just have to be excited about something.

[545] You know, most likely they're more excited about sitting on the couch than whatever it is they're being exposed to in their life.

[546] It doesn't mean that marijuana removes motivation.

[547] It means that if you're one of those lazy bitches that doesn't think outside the box and you're stuck in a spot and you're discontent and you like to get high and sit on the couch you're probably going to be like that for the rest of your life but that's okay too it is it's not harming anyone exactly those are the same people that would drink cough syrup they would drink fucking cough syrup until they you know their liver failed syrup drinking that syrup I mean for real that is the same they're the same people and the idea that it did all the benefits reported by people like I'm not saying you smoke a little weed I'm saying probably smoke a little weed or me or anyone else who does that's all discounted.

[548] Yeah, and not to mention, I mean, seriously, from a medical standpoint, I mean, you can't fight.

[549] Like, every day there's another story from another person who's using it to get through chemo or using it to get their app.

[550] Like, when you see that many people's lives being so positively affected by a thing that's naturally occurring, like, really?

[551] Come on, guys.

[552] It's a truly unbelievable story.

[553] The fact that it's still around in 2014 is really a truly unbelievable story.

[554] Because if you looked at it logically and factually and said, could you imagine a culture in which information is sent instantaneously all over the globe to which the answer to virtually any question a person can come up with can be answered on your phone in a matter of seconds that you truly have the information, the current information of the world at your disposal.

[555] Could you imagine there would be one of the most beneficial plants that grows easily contains essential amino acids it's very high in protein it can make you think about things differently it can make food taste better it makes sex feel better it makes you sleep easier it removes anxiety it makes you nicer and kinder this sounds amazing you would go yeah but it's illegal and it's a schedule one drug and the record screeches and you're like wait but hold on what it used this was used to be this was a major hemp was a major crop for the 13 colonies yeah um like it like well when they figured out the cotton gin, that's when things got a little weirder because they used to make clothes with hemp, but before the 1930s, they came up with a thing called a decorticator.

[556] And the decorticator was for the first time, they could use this giant machine to break down the hemp fiber.

[557] Because before they used slavery, and then when slavery was abolished, then the cotton gin was invented all along sort of in the same time frame, the shift went to cotton and away from hem.

[558] It's really kind of fascinating.

[559] This is like Wikipedia.

[560] I know a few things that I've seen in documentaries.

[561] But it's a fascinating, fascinating story because what was really what shut down marijuana is the crop hemp.

[562] That's what shut it down.

[563] And that's the main reason why today, like when I was talking about on it, we can't grow our own hemp.

[564] We would love to.

[565] We would love to pay a farmer to grow hemp for our protein powder.

[566] That way we could monitor the soil.

[567] We could make sure everything is organic.

[568] We can do all the right steps.

[569] But we can't do it.

[570] We literally can't do it in America.

[571] Man, land of the free.

[572] But it's totally non -psychoactive.

[573] That's what's so stupid.

[574] Like, it doesn't, that what you're getting, when you're getting like a hemp bag or you're getting hemp protein powder, there's zero THHC in there.

[575] It's not in there.

[576] You cannot smoke, kids, you cannot smoke your hemp bag.

[577] Don't try it.

[578] But the idea that that somehow and other can be illegal because it's related.

[579] Related to plant, that's crazy.

[580] I mean, that's like a poppy plant.

[581] Like, you could have a poppy plant.

[582] You can eat a poppy seed bagel.

[583] Yeah.

[584] Yeah.

[585] We're bananas.

[586] It's crazy.

[587] And then, you know what it is, though?

[588] Here's the real victims of ending the drug war would be all those prisons that would no longer be full of young black men.

[589] Aha.

[590] You say this, but what if your business is running prisoners?

[591] Right.

[592] What if your business is prison guards?

[593] I mean, that's another thing we found out about lobbies.

[594] Someone think of the prison industrial conflicts.

[595] The prison guards lobby against drug legalizations.

[596] They do it because they want to stay in office.

[597] They want to keep their jobs.

[598] And how many lives have to be ruined in the process?

[599] It's fucking crazy.

[600] It's a vampire system.

[601] It's a horrible vampire system.

[602] And it's a system that's brought out of...

[603] It's based on these reverberations or these vibrations from the past.

[604] It's all like this scramble when people were retarded.

[605] When they came over on boats and this is just how they did things.

[606] They get him in the clink, throw him in the jail.

[607] You fucking scoundrel, you were smoking marijuana, or whatever the rule that you broke is, that they realize that they can do it so they do.

[608] do do it, and they throw you in some fucking cage.

[609] In 2014, the fact that's still going on, and that people are actually profiting from it, these are more things that the internet has a huge fucking problem with, because the internet is guys like you.

[610] There's young fellas that are very smart and unconventional, and seeing the system and being like, you know what, I don't buy it.

[611] I think there's some shit that people I knew growing up that were adults.

[612] I knew they were fucking idiots, and I knew they made bad choices.

[613] And now I'm looking at the repercussions of this everywhere.

[614] I'm looking at it.

[615] I'm saying no. This is dumb.

[616] This is, so this is one of the things, especially talking to college students that I love bringing up, which is that, and I'm the first to admit it, like, I have no fucking clue what I'm doing.

[617] 99 % of the time, especially when I got started, I still don't now.

[618] And I've come to realize, like, and I've got, I've been lucky enough to meet some pretty successful, impressive people.

[619] But like, you dig under the surface, we're all just hacking it.

[620] Like, we're all just expertise, experience.

[621] Those things all help.

[622] But like, every one of us is a fallible human.

[623] All the conventions and rules and status quo we know were created by other fallible humans.

[624] And there's no reason not to look at that and go, huh, does it have to be that way?

[625] Or why is it that way?

[626] And if the reason why is, well, that's the way it is.

[627] Well, that's a terrible reason.

[628] And when you see the world as being that hackable, so to speak, like, you start to realize, all right, well, let's just, let's actually question stuff.

[629] And for, you know, I remember I was a freshman at UVA when 9 -11 happened.

[630] For this generation of millennials coming up, Nearly all of us, one of our first really vivid memories of the world was 9 -11, this awful tragedy.

[631] And then we get into these two wars, and then think of all the authority figures we've had in our life since that moment.

[632] They've all at one point in other either misled us, this sort of deceived us.

[633] You've got the financial crisis.

[634] You've got the housing bubble.

[635] All these conventions.

[636] Oh, trust us.

[637] We know what we're doing.

[638] This is the thing.

[639] The American Dream is buying a home.

[640] Go to college.

[641] Take on that student loan debt.

[642] Don't worry.

[643] There's a job waiting for you.

[644] Every single one of these conventions from all these people in power.

[645] have not held up.

[646] And so I think in particular, millennials look at that very skeptically because we're like, all right, you know what?

[647] So the conventional stuff didn't work out for anything.

[648] Like, we have no choice, but to realize, you know what, we're all just hacking it.

[649] So let's really, let's dive into the passion.

[650] Let's figure out a better way to do something, not settle for, the way it's always been.

[651] I think you're completely right.

[652] And I think, first of all, I'm slightly annoyed by this new statement that I'm first to absorb millennials.

[653] I know.

[654] It's a terrible phrase.

[655] I'm sorry.

[656] I'm sorry.

[657] I'm not buying it.

[658] We can rebrand this.

[659] I think we should.

[660] I really do because I think there's a divisiveness or there's a separation that comes when you start labeling people by like what era they were born in.

[661] Fair enough.

[662] It's a state of mind more than anything else.

[663] Yeah, I think so, but I think it's horseshit.

[664] Generation X, Generation Y, shut the fuck up.

[665] It's just humans.

[666] Like this idea of putting things in a labeled generalization.

[667] The human race is evolving.

[668] Watch father knows best and then watch Game of Thrones.

[669] Okay?

[670] Shit's different now.

[671] We don't.

[672] You don't have to come up with names for the generations, and your generation Y. And there was fucking Jamie from the Laugh Factory, tried to tell my friend Todd Parker.

[673] Todd Parker is a stand -up comic that I started out with.

[674] And Jamie was like, buddy, you have to be Generation X guy.

[675] This is what you do.

[676] You go on stage and everything.

[677] My generation, Generation X think, that's going to be your hook.

[678] And I remember him trying to explain it to Jamie.

[679] I'm in the background going, don't.

[680] No, don't fucking listen to him.

[681] Do you hear what he told Tony to do?

[682] What did he tell Tony?

[683] Buddy, you must always wear a cowboy hat.

[684] That was just thinking he would just look like Woody from Toy Story.

[685] Because he needed a hat?

[686] No, he's shopping for hats.

[687] Jamie, the guy who owns, Jamie Masada, the guy who owns the laugh factor, is a sweetheart of a guy.

[688] He is a very nice guy.

[689] I love him to death.

[690] But he's crazy.

[691] And he gives advice to comedians.

[692] And he was a comedian at one point in time.

[693] He might have been the second or third.

[694] worst comedian that's ever walked the face of the earth.

[695] But as a club owner, he's like one of the best.

[696] He's a sweetheart of a guy.

[697] He wasn't the worst comedian.

[698] He just barely speaks English and he's not funny.

[699] But he's a sweetheart of a guy.

[700] But his ideas are terrible.

[701] And he'll like tell young comedians, he'll like pull you aside, buddy, listen, this is your move.

[702] From here and out, you go on stage.

[703] You wear superhero costume.

[704] With falcon.

[705] You don't look like superhero.

[706] That's the joke.

[707] I want to know.

[708] Is there a comic somewhere who actually took his advice.

[709] Oh yeah, there's been a bunch.

[710] There's a bit a bunch.

[711] I want to name any names because it's sort of like someone who got tricked by a guy who said he was in the military, so they had sex with them.

[712] And then it turns out he was just a liar.

[713] And the girl feels bad.

[714] I don't want to shame anybody.

[715] So I won't say any names.

[716] But yeah, there were some comedians for sure.

[717] There was definitely some comedians that listened and changed their persona, you know, and came up with like a plan and not, it never worked.

[718] Because once Jamie's got you dancing, first of all.

[719] Oh, yeah, keep dance.

[720] Now I control the dance, buddy.

[721] Puppet strings.

[722] Buddy, you're dancing bad.

[723] It's not my dance moves are good.

[724] Mitsy did it also with Carlos Minsky.

[725] Fuck yeah, yeah.

[726] Mitsy made, well, I mean, I don't know.

[727] I don't know exactly.

[728] I mean, allegedly it was Missy's idea, but obviously we're not pals with that dude, so we probably shouldn't tell his life story without checking in with it.

[729] He probably doesn't even know at this point.

[730] Yeah, well, I don't hate the guy.

[731] Just hate what he's doing.

[732] But there's been a lot of those club owners that come up.

[733] The best club owners are like, Wendy from Denver who just stands back If you're doing well you're doing well She encourages originality And her clubs have built Like a real scene in Denver Just because of her Like if there's one person That like is important for the The entire Denver comedy scenes Just one lady, Wendy Did she, did Mitzie ever give you Any advice that you either took or didn't take?

[734] You're too dirty You're too dirty You clearly took that advice You're too sick What you said was sick It wasn't funny.

[735] It was sick.

[736] I used to have this bit about Anna Nicole Smith's husband.

[737] This is the one she always hated.

[738] Unfortunately, there's no good versions of it online.

[739] I think it's an audio version.

[740] Let's record it now.

[741] But it was all about him making her do ugly things before he died, like that she was earning this money and everybody's like, oh, she's stealing his money.

[742] I'm like, what are you talking about?

[743] The guy made a billion dollars from scratch.

[744] Don't anything he knows what the fuck is going on?

[745] He was on to it.

[746] Yeah.

[747] Yeah, so the joke was that he was going out in style with this big fat Kentucky Fried Hooker.

[748] And it was just, I mean, it was just this horrendous old man, young, you know, bucksum, blonde bit that just was so disgusting.

[749] And Mitzie would go, it's disgusting.

[750] It's not funny.

[751] I'm like, but why is everybody laughing?

[752] They're fucking idiots.

[753] You clearly don't have to, I mean, this is like, hey, it's nice advice.

[754] But, like, if people are still laughing and buying a drink, she's going to keep having you.

[755] Well, she loved me. You know, she's nice, she's a sweet woman She just didn't like, it wasn't her style of comedy You know, I get it, I get that And there's some things that I did that she really loved And she wanted me to keep doing those And I love those too, but there's shit that I'll do That I, I, and I always have Because I would laugh at it And my friends who are comics would laugh at it Like, if I know that Stanhope is in the room I'll probably ramp something up Just because I know he's there, I'll, you know, Add some extra fucked up shit to it just to get him to laugh.

[756] Just something totally inappropriate that I don't even mean, but I'll do it just for Stanope if he's in the room.

[757] Like, we do that to each other.

[758] Comics do that.

[759] So when a comic is writing a bit that's like really fucked up, like half of it is just like to make your own jaded sense of comedy, like jolt it, you know, just give a little fraud.

[760] Yeah, just see, oh man, that's, I, uh, that is the bar that I, like, because I do a fair bit of public speaking, right?

[761] But, um, I don't have to fucking tell jokes.

[762] Like, that stand -up bar has to be, and I'm not just blown smoke.

[763] Like, it's got to be the hardest, like, public speaking gig to have to do.

[764] It is and it isn't.

[765] But to do it night after night, too?

[766] Well, that actually makes it easier.

[767] Joey Diaz says it best.

[768] Joey Diaz, he goes, this is the easiest, hardest thing you can do.

[769] Okay.

[770] It's the easiest, hardest thing you can do.

[771] Because if you do it right, it's easy.

[772] If you got it down, and not in the beginning.

[773] God damn, it takes a long fucking time to not be on shaky legs every time you go on stage.

[774] but once you get good enough to where you kind of like you understand yourself better so he's not as insecure you're not as concerned about acceptance and you can kind of relax and you're more comfortable in your own skin and then you kind of understand the roots of humor better as you get older and then you become a comic so then boom you're a comic um and i think from there it's all just about maintaining it's about continuing to do it and once you do that it's fairly easy it's like once you're doing that but it's like once the train is moving downhill it's going well but if the train stops and you got to get it uphill oh you're fucked that's why guys when they take time off something weird happens to comedians when they take like three years off of comedy and then get back in because their their prospects are slim those are some dark sets that you watch you can see the bottom of a man's soul you can see some shit man because they forgot how to do comedy i mean they just fucking forgot how to do comedy that happens after a couple weeks though sometimes I think two weeks off and I went back on stage.

[775] I was like, oh shit, why do I feel nervous right now?

[776] Well, it's also your intention.

[777] I mean, you don't really prepare that much.

[778] You don't listen to recordings.

[779] Oh, I do so.

[780] I listen to every, I tape every single one of my things.

[781] Oh, yeah.

[782] You do?

[783] Usually it's on the way to the next gig.

[784] I'll listen to the.

[785] That's a good way, too.

[786] But one way that I like is to sit down and listen with a notepad and write down shit that I shouldn't do anymore or write down shit that's the front end is clunky and it works over here.

[787] just keep doing that.

[788] There's guys, I'm glad you do that.

[789] The guys who don't do that are really silly.

[790] Like, it's, it's an important point.

[791] I have to do it.

[792] As a professional.

[793] All down and have to write it out on the note cards and stuff like that.

[794] That's a good move, too.

[795] As far as memory, that's the best way.

[796] Writing things out physically and longhand, or I write it out on my galaxy.

[797] I got this fucking galaxy, where is it?

[798] How dare I?

[799] Left it out there somewhere.

[800] Mike, the galaxy note three's this big ass.

[801] Well, I've got ogre hands, so it's perfect.

[802] I have a note three, too.

[803] But it is outside Yeah But they are They have that little note Stylus Yeah Write all my notes longhand Damn old school So instead of using it like Instead of having a note pad But I always still have a notepad Anyway Because I still for whatever reason I haven't let go of the nipple But the notes Like written notes on that Are almost just as good Yeah I mean really It's very sensitive I'm a stylist skeptic Are you really?

[804] I am I've never I've talked to him real quick.

[805] I'll grab the phone.

[806] I want to see if you fuck with it if you like it.

[807] I mean, I have just never, I have the 03.

[808] I just have never, like, I pulled it out and I was like, eh.

[809] I noticed you have the pebble.

[810] Have you tried the gears or whatever the watches is from Samsung?

[811] Don't even get me started.

[812] Yes.

[813] The thing is, and here's the thing, I had the first pebble.

[814] They're a Y Combinator company.

[815] I actually was sitting in the room when we interviewed them.

[816] I remember their first prototype, and I was so blown away, because I was like, here's some friendly Canadians.

[817] I made a cool watch.

[818] All right, talk to my phone.

[819] I think it was a blackberry back then.

[820] And and then they launched that campaign and I was like, this is a maze balls, right?

[821] $10 million Kickstarter, I pre -ordered mine and I got my watch and I was really impressed but I was a little, like I liked it, I didn't love it, I'd be wearing other watches back and forth.

[822] Once I got this one though, seriously, like game over every day.

[823] Really?

[824] The fatal flaw that Samsung watch, aside from it doesn't play with iOS, the fatal flaw is the battery life.

[825] It's got a beautiful full -color screen.

[826] It lasts for maybe a day.

[827] And like I got enough shit to charge every night.

[828] Like, I don't want to also have to charge my watch every single night.

[829] Or it should have a built -in charging mat or something where you just take it off and throw it on the mat, you know.

[830] The new one, the gear, too, that just is supposedly better.

[831] It looks interesting.

[832] You know, and obviously, like I said, I'm buddies with the pebble guys.

[833] Right.

[834] So take this with a grain of salt.

[835] But in all objectivity, I think it's an amazing, the software, the OS, you know, Android, obviously, they know what the fuck they're doing.

[836] Right.

[837] The question is going to be the hardware.

[838] If that, I mean, that watch is all just Photoshop right now.

[839] If they can make a watch that has a decent battery life that looks that good, okay, all right, I'm perking up.

[840] But until I actually see something with a real battery on it, no, forget it.

[841] What about Google Glass?

[842] They just announced that Google Glass is going to be available for one day only to anybody that wants to say.

[843] Of course CNN uses the photo of the most hipster, hipster.

[844] Yeah, look at his mustache.

[845] Sweat this.

[846] Look at this.

[847] Holy shit.

[848] Yeah, those are all my...

[849] These are joke notes.

[850] Damn.

[851] I mean...

[852] I love this, though.

[853] It's pretty badass, man. But this is really encouraging.

[854] There are, I really, I don't know, I want to think, like, I feel like I'm still just as hungry as I was when I got started.

[855] And I'm really motivated and inspired, like, because I feel like if you want to stay on the top of your game, this is the stuff you have to do.

[856] Because as soon as you start getting soft and start getting cocky or complacent, man. Right on that.

[857] All right, let's see.

[858] Write something cool on.

[859] I'll save it and I'll put it up as a Twitter message.

[860] All right.

[861] Okay.

[862] it's fascinating because it doesn't lack like there's not anything where I'm doing it where I'm like this isn't completely picking up what I'm writing it picks it up exactly as long as the stylist is touching the screen it's perfect and so for like writing notes and they're small files so you can you know you can have fucking thousands of these things that backs up automatically I get an email when it backs up hmm literally never taken the stylus out of the phone.

[863] Apple, you can suck it.

[864] You can suck it, Apple.

[865] So you come up with one of those, you can suck it.

[866] But I remember Jobs used to be very anti -stylist.

[867] Fuck, Jobs, you can suck it too.

[868] I'll dig you up, and then you can suck it.

[869] That's rude.

[870] That was rude.

[871] There we go, saved.

[872] I didn't mean it.

[873] If I meant it, it would be horrible.

[874] The new information that's coming out about the two new iPhones that come out this year.

[875] You know what I heard?

[876] I heard they're going to make you gay.

[877] No. No?

[878] No. I heard that, look at that.

[879] Oh.

[880] It's for the updotes.

[881] For the upvotes.

[882] Upvotes.

[883] Okay.

[884] And I can send this right now.

[885] Just throw it up as an Instagram.

[886] So that Pebble works with the iPhone and what information is it sent?

[887] Does it send text or just kind of basic stuff?

[888] You get notifications.

[889] You know, you can mess with your iTunes if you want to advance, et cetera, et cetera.

[890] And there's a whole fear.

[891] I think the long play, and it seems like a smart one, is the App Store model.

[892] So Pebble has their app store and there are tons of different apps.

[893] So I can check in on Foursquare from my watch.

[894] have to be that guy who takes out his phone to check it on 4th Square.

[895] This is one thing that's whack about Android.

[896] When you use the Instagram app, it gives you this weird little, no one's going to be able see this, but it gives you a weird little window.

[897] Oh, they won't let you I can't get your whole thing.

[898] That's whack as fuck.

[899] Well, see, that was a great demo, but see it.

[900] That's one way that the iPhone has it over this.

[901] No, no, no. The square ratio size is just an Instagram thing.

[902] You have to use a different program like guy, what's it called?

[903] Yeah.

[904] I've heard.

[905] It should be able to just add black space.

[906] Yeah.

[907] So you should be able to shrink it out.

[908] A tip on the iPhone is you turn it sideways, so it's the wrong, you know, like when you have a picture, the wrong way.

[909] And then you take a screenshot of that.

[910] So it keeps the black bars on the side.

[911] And then you have that.

[912] You got to do it gangster.

[913] That's a pro tip.

[914] Pro tip by Brian Redmond.

[915] If you just crop it so it just says four, if you can get four the upvotes and then the Reddit alien, that'll suffice.

[916] Okay.

[917] Let's see what you do that.

[918] Yeah, I'm looking out for you.

[919] No. Also, oh, man. We're going to have to do another one.

[920] I have failed you.

[921] Just, no, you haven't.

[922] No, no, I feel like I'm letting everyone down here.

[923] Just do a smaller one.

[924] We'll do one more.

[925] But yeah, Google Glass for $1 ,500.

[926] So Google Glass.

[927] $1 ,500 are you going to throw into the trash a week later?

[928] Yeah.

[929] You're going to be like, what the fuck is wrong with me?

[930] It's not there, yeah.

[931] I am very, very skeptical.

[932] I don't think it'll, I don't think it'll hit mainstream adoption.

[933] I think even if they go, I mean, they've got designers now designing glasses.

[934] They got NBA players wearing them.

[935] Tap it so it doesn't have that thing.

[936] So I think, so I am full disclosure.

[937] I'm an investor in a Google Glass company.

[938] How dare you?

[939] But, but here's the reason why.

[940] They, and actually just had a bunch of press in the globe.

[941] They are building software specifically for industries.

[942] So like they're working with doctors at Beth Israel who can use them to help check in folks get their records because they need both their hands for you, right?

[943] They're working with energy companies so that people out in the field can have real -time data on what's going on at this random oil pump, like if they got to, you know, check settings or updates.

[944] Like, basically, they're targeting specific industries where people need both their hands -free.

[945] And so it's not the sort of obnoxious, like, walking around on the street, ordering a latte from your face.

[946] It's like, this is a very specific task where I need both my hands -free and this is helpful.

[947] And so I think that's where it'll succeed.

[948] Kind of like how segues are just for mall cops.

[949] I think this will be next level useful.

[950] Oh, God, yes.

[951] That's right.

[952] Can't forget the tourists.

[953] It's going to go black on you.

[954] He's still haven't gone on one yet.

[955] You haven't got one?

[956] It'll change your life.

[957] They're great.

[958] They're really dope.

[959] He's just being facetious.

[960] That was like one of the things that they were saying about the product before it came out.

[961] It was going to change your life.

[962] Change cities.

[963] Change your life as we know it.

[964] Those streets around it.

[965] Silly bitches.

[966] That was the most ridiculous thing ever.

[967] You're just standing and moving.

[968] How's that change in life?

[969] Did you hear about the new our age of cow tipping that's going on in San Francisco and stuff like that, people are flipping those little baby electric small cars.

[970] Yeah, it's smart car tipping or something.

[971] Yeah, that's rude as fuck.

[972] Wow.

[973] Imagine if you went outside and you're a girl and you weigh 100 pounds and someone flipped your fucking car.

[974] That's a dick move.

[975] Asholes.

[976] I also think, so I grew up in the suburbs.

[977] I did not see a lot of cows, I guess for time to time, but like, can you actually tip a cow?

[978] No. Yes, you can.

[979] They're huge.

[980] No, no, no. We've done it before.

[981] You've never tip a cow, bitch.

[982] Yeah, yes, we did.

[983] Really?

[984] From Columbus, Ohio.

[985] Me and my friends did it twice.

[986] Bitch.

[987] You've done it, right?

[988] Was it like a calf?

[989] Was it like one of those veal calves, too?

[990] It's so weak, you know.

[991] What happens is that when the cows are in the fields, they pretty much lock their legs and sleep standing up a lot.

[992] That's how I sleep.

[993] And so, you just go next to them and push them, and they seriously just fall down.

[994] No, they, they just tip right over.

[995] I thought this was stuff that suburban kids, like, or that, like, is urban lore because none of us ever hung out with cows.

[996] No, if you ever want to go cow tipping, I'll take it.

[997] I mean, it's completely rude and evil.

[998] I don't think that they would really like that.

[999] Yeah, no, they don't like it at all.

[1000] I wouldn't like it.

[1001] Did you really go cow tipping, Brian?

[1002] Yeah, twice.

[1003] Can you find one YouTube video?

[1004] You actually pushed a cow over?

[1005] Yeah, me and two of my friends.

[1006] Okay, and I wanted to be one of those, remember those night vision, like the Paris Hilton videos?

[1007] I wanted to be one of those night vision videos of the cow.

[1008] It's easy.

[1009] All right.

[1010] Do you have an Instagram?

[1011] I do.

[1012] It's my name.

[1013] just at Alexis O 'Hanian or O 'Hanian.

[1014] Okay.

[1015] That's another thing that's annoying about these things is that they insist on trying to change what you wrote.

[1016] Like my creative, the ethnic, last name.

[1017] I'm not going to say it personally.

[1018] It's just that they're autocorrect.

[1019] It's like really aggressive.

[1020] And goofy.

[1021] They're awake?

[1022] Yeah, well then good luck.

[1023] They're going to kill you.

[1024] I see no cows tipped.

[1025] You got to look at these videos before you put them online, bro.

[1026] Find something real.

[1027] You can do that off screen, right?

[1028] Yeah.

[1029] I don't know.

[1030] I don't have thought he was cow tipping.

[1031] He's on mushrooms, tripping his balls off.

[1032] Dude, we tipped cows.

[1033] Like, we never left the house, man. What are you talking about?

[1034] We were in the field.

[1035] You never remember?

[1036] I was there.

[1037] Oh, yeah, man. I was tipping cows.

[1038] Yeah, I bet if we snopes tipping cows.

[1039] It's like, Snopes.

[1040] Snopes, cow tipping.

[1041] I should have brought my laptop.

[1042] Also, side note, and I've enjoyed your podcast, I love how, I love the real time with the laptops.

[1043] I wish every show basically had someone in real time just calling out shit.

[1044] Here we go.

[1045] Ready?

[1046] All right.

[1047] Let's get this out of the way.

[1048] Cow tipping, at least as popularly imagined, does not exist.

[1049] Drunk men do not on any regular basis sneak in the cow pastures and put a hard shoulder to a cow taking a standing snooze, thus tipping the point.

[1050] poor animal over.

[1051] While in the history of the world, there have surely been a few unlucky cows shoved to their side by boozed up morons.

[1052] We feel confident in saying that this happens at a rate roughly equivalent to the Chicago Cubs winning the World Series.

[1053] That's not true.

[1054] Okay, this is...

[1055] Got snoped.

[1056] Cows, like, sit down and, like, on their legs and just sit there, and you can go right up to them and tip them right over.

[1057] This is from ModernFarmer .com.

[1058] Well, I'm convinced.

[1059] An article on cow tipping.

[1060] I've subscribed to Modern Farmer for a decade now, and they have never led me astray.

[1061] YouTube, the largest clearinghouse of human stupidity the world has ever known, where you can watch hours of kids taking the cinnamon challenge.

[1062] Teens jumping off rooftops on the trampolines and the explosive results of fireworks set off indoors, fails to deliver one single actual cow tipping video.

[1063] All right.

[1064] Well, we did it as a kid.

[1065] The one exception is a Russian dead.

[1066] dash cam video which shows a semi -truck full of cattle overturning.

[1067] That's really good.

[1068] You need to watch it.

[1069] And cows shaking themselves off and walking away.

[1070] Cows not giving a fuck.

[1071] This is a spectacular dash cam video.

[1072] So this article is calling bullshit on you, Brian.

[1073] When I was younger, we would go to these farms in Plains City, Ohio, and they would have tons of cows, and we would break into the cows, smoke weed, and there would be cows that would be...

[1074] You break into the cows?

[1075] No, break into the fence.

[1076] and there would be cows that would sit there like on their like perched up like on their like legs like just sitting there sleeping we would come over and just push them right over I don't know if that's the cow tipping that you heard everybody doing like people saying that the cows tip over but that's what we used to do because that's what we thought you were supposed to do I don't understand what you just said this cows are standing up right because they stand up when they sleep right no not all the time there's cows that like do this little purse like knee thing here I'll show you okay I thought cows always stood up horses always stand up right I have no idea.

[1077] I'm like, my gut's telling me horses are the ones.

[1078] Yeah, horses, I think, always stand up, right?

[1079] Yeah.

[1080] And if they're down, they're hurt.

[1081] We have the Google.

[1082] Yeah.

[1083] But I'm really skeptical with this cow tipping.

[1084] Sorry.

[1085] Yeah, the internet disagrees with you.

[1086] Oh, look at that.

[1087] That's a cow rolling.

[1088] Brown cow's sleep.

[1089] So the cow would be like that and you would just push it.

[1090] Yeah, but there would be tons of cows.

[1091] And it'll be night at time.

[1092] It would be drunk.

[1093] And that's what we do.

[1094] Well, technically, that seems to be cow tipping.

[1095] technically that's cow tipping they're just lying down cows so you're going to send the email to Snopes saying well actually you are wrong well I have a feeling the problem with calling bullshit if you didn't grow up in that environment you might truly believe that it is bullshit but then if a guy like Brian actually grew up there and actually pushed over some cows can we take this to your fan base they would sit like this and then you just like set go over there and just push them over and they would roll over and wake up and freak out and it would be scary and you would run away.

[1096] Now, cow tipping what I think they're saying is not true is actually tipping over a cow that's like completely standing up maybe.

[1097] Well, maybe that's what people have in their head, but what it really is is what you're talking about.

[1098] When we did it, we just did it because we heard people did it.

[1099] And then we were like, let's do it.

[1100] There's tons of cows here.

[1101] That's such a Brian Red Band move.

[1102] I heard other people were doing it.

[1103] And I'm like, well, they're still alive.

[1104] Fuck it.

[1105] Fuck it.

[1106] So then cow tipping is real.

[1107] I would say cow tipping is real.

[1108] Well, yeah, it's cow rolling.

[1109] I'm going to call it cow rolling.

[1110] Yeah, cow rolling?

[1111] Well, then cow tipping, as in a cow standing up and you pushing it over, that doesn't exist.

[1112] But that's probably not what cow tipping ever was, unless they do sleep standing up.

[1113] Do the cow sleep standing up?

[1114] Okay, we need to go to this.

[1115] There's tons of pictures of cows doing exactly how...

[1116] Yeah, but do they also sleep standing up, I should say.

[1117] Let me just say how much I appreciate you guys getting into the bottom of this.

[1118] We need to.

[1119] We should...

[1120] Worst case, how far are we from some cows?

[1121] Uh, not that far.

[1122] We can get to one in an hour.

[1123] Does a cow sleep standing?

[1124] Common misconception that cows don't lie down.

[1125] Hmm.

[1126] While cows may doze off for a few minutes at a time while standing up, they typically lie down to sleep or simply to rest.

[1127] Okay.

[1128] I'm calling bullshit on the people calling bullshit.

[1129] I think Brian's right.

[1130] I think Brian is right.

[1131] He went cow tipping.

[1132] And that's how you really cowtip because what everybody says is that cows are sleeping and you go up and push them.

[1133] Well, obviously, if that's not true, if they only...

[1134] take a little nap standing up and usually they sleep lying down, then their whole premise sucks because they don't understand what cow tipping is.

[1135] Cow tipping starts from the knees like jujitsu class.

[1136] Like if you take wrestling class, you start standing up for the most part.

[1137] But a room full of 50 dudes trying to double leg each other, that shit gets really dangerous.

[1138] So jujitsu classes all start from the knees.

[1139] So real cow tipping, like the idea of it doesn't exist because that's like wrestling style.

[1140] Everybody starts from their feet.

[1141] But jujitsu style When you're already on the ground That's real This is great Now whenever I drive past a bunch of cows I'll be thinking about jujitsu That's what I do That's the vision It's my gift You should You should totally sell snopes to go fuck themselves What's going on?

[1142] The craziest thing is that Or modern farmer Incorporator whatever it is How scary it was I just remember it was No because I'd be scared I wouldn't go How many times did you do that man We did I remember twice But we just Only remembers twice First time scared the fuck out of you And then you're like, listen, I can do better.

[1143] I did it wrong.

[1144] Yeah.

[1145] And the reason was because one of the, we used to hang out this bridge where we would drink underage.

[1146] And it was just like everyone would go to this bridge in the middle of nowhere.

[1147] And there was all these farms around it.

[1148] And that's why I would go there because there was no police.

[1149] There's no one could even know you were there.

[1150] So you get bonfires and all this shit like that.

[1151] So then after you got wasted, everyone kind of just played around in all the fields.

[1152] And one of the fields was cows.

[1153] And it was pitch black because it was in the middle of the country.

[1154] So it was just stars.

[1155] and you see shadows of cows and so you would like sneak up going up to these cows you didn't have cell phones for lights or anything like that so it was literally just lighters and shit and you'd just go up and just push it real fast and it would go and like you'd just run away and it was the scariest shit ever wow and you'd be stoned exhilarating did you ever find mushrooms on those cow patties yeah but back then you just didn't think about that like I didn't get into mushrooms too I was in college well Duncan went to school in Asheville North Carolina and when I went up there I understand Duncan so much more after visiting Asheville because it's just a hippie mecca and they were getting and there's apparently the mushroom flora or whatever it is the spores are so healthy up there because it rains a lot and there's so many of them that they had to start giving the cows some sort of an antifungal diet to kill the mushrooms because so many kids meanwhile probably makes the kids sick because a few mushrooms probably grow on on some poor poison psilocybin I mean, you want to talk about missing the fucking point, right?

[1156] Poisoning cow shit so that the most beautiful thing that God ever created can't grow there, you fucking dummies.

[1157] But he said that they would constantly go there and just pluck them off and just eat them.

[1158] They were everywhere.

[1159] And just trip balls.

[1160] The whole town is so psychedelic, like partially because of that.

[1161] The whole town is like, it's an Asheville, North Carolina is a trippy fucking place.

[1162] I feel like I need to visit now.

[1163] You got to visit.

[1164] It's awesome.

[1165] It's really cool.

[1166] Everybody's walking around.

[1167] They have a main area where, like, bars and restaurants are.

[1168] And people are just walking around.

[1169] Like, everybody's walking around.

[1170] It's like a small town that exists in a giant world, but they're modern.

[1171] So it's a, I fucked up.

[1172] I shouldn't have told you guys about it.

[1173] Now, it's going to go to Nashville.

[1174] Yeah.

[1175] But I kind of understand Duncan, way more now after going to this town.

[1176] It's like, oh, I see.

[1177] Like, you were spawned in one of the most awesome environments on Earth.

[1178] Like, this place is fucking sweet.

[1179] What did they call it when they went out on that expedition, I wonder.

[1180] They didn't call it cow tipping.

[1181] No, do you want to go like candy picking?

[1182] Shroom harvesting, yeah, some kind of thing.

[1183] Let's go get shrooms, man!

[1184] That shit's so dangerous, because I remember even as a kid just going up and eating berries because I was like, oh, look, berries, and I would just start kicking berries.

[1185] Fuck.

[1186] You know, and then, like, you find out later.

[1187] That's ambitious, man. Dude, you were one of those kids a hundred years ago.

[1188] You would never survive.

[1189] There's no way.

[1190] You would have been dead before you were 10.

[1191] It was that honeysuckle shit?

[1192] I used to eat a lot of plant Because there was nothing to do So it was that purple stuff Where you'd pull it out and just suck on it was nothing to do Yeah, so we'd just eat grass Yeah, I would eat a few things You know what I found out that tastes good actually Is dandelions Like dandelion greens Make salads out of dandelion greens My grandmother used to make them And I went over the house once And she had this dandelion salad And I was like, what is that?

[1193] And I was like, that's dandelion?

[1194] and they were like, it's really good for you.

[1195] It's edible, too.

[1196] My uncle told me it was good for me, I think, is what convinced me. But then I found out that it's like a common vegetable that a lot of people eat dandelion.

[1197] You can make tea?

[1198] Am I crazy?

[1199] Make tea out of it?

[1200] I believe you can, yeah.

[1201] But it's actually good, like, as a salad.

[1202] It's a good tasting green and pretty fucking good for you, too.

[1203] What's not to like?

[1204] I don't know how we got out to the subject.

[1205] I don't know how we got out to the dandelion.

[1206] We've covered a lot of green on this.

[1207] Yeah, a lot of plants.

[1208] It's good.

[1209] Very eco -friendly.

[1210] Who makes the world go around, my friend.

[1211] Yeah.

[1212] And you know what else makes the world around?

[1213] People know what the fuck they're talking about.

[1214] That's why this cow tipping thing It's really pissing me off Because I believe Brian, I think cow tipping is some real shit And I think this is something It starts here.

[1215] It's smart car tipping.

[1216] It's a hit Columbus.

[1217] Smart car tipping has hit Columbus, Ohio.

[1218] Wow.

[1219] That's so stupid.

[1220] It's so rude.

[1221] It's totally rude.

[1222] It's easy to do, I bet though.

[1223] I bet like three or four guys could probably push one of those things over pretty, easy.

[1224] How much they weigh?

[1225] It can't be more than like 1 ,500 pounds, right?

[1226] I still flinch whenever I watch the YouTube videos of the crash tests in those things, because they are.

[1227] Like, more resilient than you'd expect, but I would not want to be in one at a top speed.

[1228] I wouldn't want to be in anything in a top speed.

[1229] There's a guy who used to fight in the UFC, Matt Grice, and he got rear -ended.

[1230] Someone was going like 60 miles an hour, and his car was parked.

[1231] and he didn't even get hit by anything just the impact of the car he had a brain surgery and they'd remove a plate on the top of his head off of the sweat and then connect it back on it ended his UFC career you know the guy had been in like all these crazy fights like really action -packed wars and a car accident took him out and he's seen in a parked car yep boom you see that thing here oh my god yeah it does actually stay and actually wow that's incredible It looks pretty good actually Look at that Yeah, you're still dead Not maybe you bitch Maybe I'll be fine bro You walk away from Yeah I'll walk away from that shit And I'll jerk off on the car Man I saw a bad mini Cooper crash the other day It freaked me out because They're small man They're small I mean no matter what they're small Just the thing that happened on the highway It's like everybody's worst nightmare The FedEx truck crashed into a school bus filled with high school kids Oh yeah horrible northern california yesterday was it northern california north mid california somewhere but it was on the five which is kind of a sketchy freeway and apparently it's just a giant collision nine people dead like one of those horrible fire situations i am i am firmly in the self -driving car camp um i am i am ready car well or any i mean there's there's a company coming up right now there are there a few people working on this um but i'm just ready for robots me look, 90...

[1232] That's a new meme, bro.

[1233] I'm ready for robots.

[1234] I'm ready for the robots until they enslave us.

[1235] But 95 % of our flights are robot.

[1236] I mean, the master's...

[1237] Obviously, there are fewer things that hit in the sky.

[1238] But, like, we trust robots with a lot.

[1239] And when it comes to the self -driving cars, I've gotten a ride in one for a minute.

[1240] And we're getting there.

[1241] But, like, there's so many senseless deaths, so much senseless bullshit that happens because of human error behind the wheel of, you know, a fucking thing that weighs a lot and goes to those house.

[1242] That's totally true.

[1243] But will you long for freedom?

[1244] One of the things that I've been thinking about when we were talking about, you're saying, like, oh, I wish I was, I'm jealous, these kids that are born today, I don't buy it because I, I'm very, I think that I'm very, very fortunate to have been born in a time where the internet didn't exist, to grow, to be a young man without it, and then experience it once I've kind of, when I understand myself and the world a little bit better, and got to see two different worlds, get to see two different worlds, get to see.

[1245] the world pre -internet and got to see the world post -internet the people that are growing up just post -internet like there's there's a certain there's a certain something we're all going to miss we're all going to miss just getting on a motorcycle and driving on the highway because eventually that's going to be illegal it's going to be illegal to be in a fast car it's going to be illegal to do anything that propels you on your own i mean but if you look at like what's going on with technology if you look at like the idea of self -driving cars a certain point in time what's the justification for letting someone drive their own car, if their ratio of crashes is even 10 % higher.

[1246] I mean, as long as, okay, here's the thing, humans are infinitely resourceful.

[1247] Like, I think, I imagine it looking like cruise control for a while where like the self -driving, you'll still be sitting there, you'll be chilling, but like, it's in cruise control.

[1248] And then at any point you can just hit the break or start driving.

[1249] Dickheads would just start doing that and weaving in out traffic and you'd be right back to the 101 again.

[1250] It'd be the same fucking animal over and over again.

[1251] I mean, you could, well, come on, bro.

[1252] It would, there would be bits of that.

[1253] But it's still not as bad as, like, if it's 1 % of the people doing it, which is, I think, it still be pretty high, but, like, then you still have 99 % of them being efficient robot cars.

[1254] I think, without this sounding too, you know, into the future, the hope is, though, humans are resourceful.

[1255] Even if you had it mandated where every car was just, it only knew how to self -drive, someone would hack it.

[1256] Someone would figure out a way to get a wheel on there.

[1257] Someone would, like, I sense a class war.

[1258] We can, oh, well, that's a whole other story, but it's coming.

[1259] The highway flooded with these self -driving cars and other people are standing up while they're driving their continental convertibles screaming at the top of their lungs at the robots fuck the robots people taking lawnmowers on the highway fuck the robots tractors yeah while there's a robot the whole thing is bizarre it's gonna happen I mean the technology that's invaded our lives so far or become a part of our life so far it's not stopping anytime soon and I will say this I am I think So, yeah, I got to, I mean, I knew a little bit of the pre -internet world.

[1260] And I'm still jealous, but I will have, you know, I'll have my own transition, right?

[1261] This is all a process, right?

[1262] The generation coming up will take the internet for granted.

[1263] They'll have that.

[1264] But, like, there is inevitably going to be something else that displaces them and blows their minds.

[1265] Maybe it's like the Gattaca baby situation.

[1266] I think we're already at a point now where we can better understand human DNA.

[1267] It's the point where it's like, all right, it's not unreasonable to imagine a world where, like, hey if you don't want this genetic disorder like we can make sure your kid doesn't have that most people would probably be like yeah man you don't want to be the first kind of say yeah to that no but you can I mean this is all pretty reasonable here and you imagine okay well let's say that happens then it's like all right well we've gotten rid of like okay Parkinson's whatever like most people are pretty happy about that but then it's like well if you can do that do you want your kid to have blue eyes like we can do that too it's just really easy you want a blue eye and then you very quickly start seeing the Gattaca scenario start playing out and these are going to be really interesting and serious ethical questions we'll be asking ourselves in terms of like I mean I generally I'm on the side where I'd be very happy if a lot of genetic disorders were technology was able to remove those things from happening but at what point does it start crossing the line of us tampering too much in deciding you know I don't think there's a line I think that's what we're here for I really do I think the idea of us slowing down innovation for some reason like because we're crossing a line that we invented ourselves It's ridiculous.

[1268] I think there's a pattern, and I think if you look at that pattern, the pattern is constant exponential growth of technology and innovation.

[1269] And it's a thing that human beings are thirsty for.

[1270] We're freaking out about the Galaxy S5 came out today.

[1271] You know, I mean, I was at Radio Shack yesterday, getting some headphones.

[1272] There's fucking people that work there.

[1273] There's still Radio Shacks?

[1274] There's a radio Shack.

[1275] I don't know if Radio Shacks is a sponsor guy, but I'm sorry.

[1276] Elitist.

[1277] What if a man wants to make his own ham radio?

[1278] We can order the parts online With the tutorial They had customers But the bottom line is I was there Because I needed to get a head phone For my cell phone And I go I go when is that Because I knew it was out Like sometime this week I go when is that Galaxy S5 Is it out today or tomorrow This guy first thing I was not I'm gonna get it before you do Really?

[1279] Yeah like ooh burn Wow Like that's the thing Like everybody wants to have it first Given Radio Shrek's a bad name Up to 1 ,100 stores I got my first job was at Comp USA.

[1280] I was not sad about seeing them close out.

[1281] I was a 13, 14, 14 year old Pudgy kid who was demoing video games and, well, it was mostly like computer hardware in the middle of a Comp USA.

[1282] For like every 30 minutes, I'd have to get on the headset microphone with a big TV behind me, demo like Madlands, like language learning software.

[1283] And I'd have the same routine for like 15 minutes every 30 minutes.

[1284] And like literally no one would be watching.

[1285] And here I am, this, like, teenager going through puberty.

[1286] And I've got people.

[1287] People would walk up to me and be like, no one's listening, kid.

[1288] Just stop.

[1289] No one's listening.

[1290] And it's like, well, I don't blame me for hating me. But it was great because it got all of my public speaking fears out of the way because I spent two years being ignored every 30 minutes.

[1291] That seems like a really good way, actually.

[1292] It was great.

[1293] I was getting paid for it.

[1294] The company I technically worked for was called SIDIA, S -I -D -E -A, but they were one of the casualties of the tech boom.

[1295] That seems like a really good way.

[1296] idea to like if you wanted to alleviate your fear put yourself in one of the most uncomfortable situations and get numb to it dude yes absolutely and people ask me oh well you know because tech there are some there are some very good public speakers in tech but they're you know the common stereotype is that they're not and so a lot of people ask like oh how'd you get you get good at this and i'd say because i did a ton my first job was getting paid to just do it while going through puberty so if you want to get good at it just do it 10 000 hours right just just just get up get awkward get in front of people and embarrass yourself That's fascinating.

[1297] That job probably really played a pivotal role in your life.

[1298] Dude, real talk?

[1299] I have the card.

[1300] I still have the business card from Carlos, who's the guy who hired me at Sidea, because he was the first guy gave me a shot.

[1301] I wonder if he's...

[1302] Yeah, Carlos Sidiya, if you're watching.

[1303] That's incredible, man. You created this monster.

[1304] Yeah, that's an important thing, man. Sometimes things will happen to you when you're young, when, you know, you think it's just a shit job.

[1305] But it really is some weird life lesson.

[1306] Dude, the two, I always tell people, fuck getting an MBA, I got a job doing public speaking as a teenager, being embarrassed routinely, and then my next job was in the service industry, and I waited tables and cooked at Pizza Hut.

[1307] And like, seriously, that will teach you so much about entrepreneurship, right?

[1308] Because at the end of the day, you're on the front lines for, I mean, your pay is coming from that tip.

[1309] And it's a matter of balancing, you know, satisfying the customer.

[1310] Customer is not always right, but almost always right.

[1311] And just, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, dealing with it and solving problems with other humans.

[1312] And if you can bridge that gap of, like, empathy, man, I tell you that every single day as an entrepreneur, every single day.

[1313] Absolutely.

[1314] And also, I think the shitty jobs that you have when you're growing up inspire you to not want to have shitty jobs.

[1315] Yes.

[1316] I worked with my friend Jimmy.

[1317] My pal Jimmy Lawless.

[1318] I worked with him for, like, two weeks one summer.

[1319] He was a carpenter, and I was like, he graduated a year ahead of me, and he had, like, always had his eyes on doing carpentry.

[1320] I was just looking for like a labor gig for the summer.

[1321] But within two weeks, I don't even think I lasted two weeks.

[1322] It was fucking brutal.

[1323] We were building a Knights of Columbus wheelchair ramp.

[1324] So a Knights of Columbus hall?

[1325] So the entire day, every day was spent carrying bags of cement and pressure treated lumber.

[1326] It was just huge wheelchair ramp.

[1327] So just bag after bag of cement, just carrying these fucking bags, boom carrying these logs boom that was the whole day and by the end of the day you were dead you couldn't do anything see and i wouldn't i wouldn't last i wouldn't last three hours i lasted like two weeks but i i used to think about it forever i would think about that gig and i'd be like that's what it's like when you're doing something that you don't want to be doing it's unbelievably difficult that's the life and that would like motivate me to get things done if i never had that gig i probably wouldn't know how hard a job can suck yeah i really would But no. That's the truth, man. That should be, I don't know if there's a, like, but that is, that is top flight advice for any, especially because, look, I know those of us supposed to get into tech.

[1328] It's a hot industry right now, right?

[1329] There's more money than ever going into it, making a lot of people rich.

[1330] There are a lot of kids coming out of college who want to be the next Zuck or the next two ever.

[1331] They want to be the next thing.

[1332] Zuck.

[1333] He wanted to be the next Zuck girls.

[1334] Zooka -Back.

[1335] Do you call Zuck?

[1336] Because you guys, that's how, you guys, when you hang.

[1337] Yo, Zuck.

[1338] We, I've met him once or twice, boy.

[1339] We're not friends.

[1340] I mean, I'm not saying that we're not, like, there's, no, I live in New York.

[1341] I'm not in the, TMZ.

[1342] I'm not in the Silicon Valley world.

[1343] I dabble, but I just, I just visit.

[1344] Right, I hear you.

[1345] That's probably the best way to be.

[1346] Because then you would start talking, like a, one of those West Coast techies.

[1347] Yes, and so.

[1348] Over -enunciating?

[1349] So that is, that's the problem.

[1350] I think for a lot, I think, I'm just getting a sense, and I'm generalizing here, but I think a lot of the kids right now who are trying to get into that, maybe never had that job.

[1351] Maybe never had that bit of perspective that I think has helped me a ton, tremendous.

[1352] I think it's obviously helped lots of people over many, many centuries to just understand, get a bit of sense.

[1353] I mean, I mean, I know I live in a bubble now.

[1354] As much as I wish I didn't, I know to some extent live in a bubble, but I still try to keep that perspective as best I can, which is hard.

[1355] But it's the fact, and look, what you're talking about that, it's skilled labor.

[1356] Like, speaking of things like with the robots, skilled labor is.

[1357] something that still like when robots can do that they will enslave us yeah so it's a those jobs or what i'm trying to say is are going to be really they're fundamental already but they're only going to continue to be important because humans have to do them and they are shitty hard work but we don't have enough people i don't mike row has a really good campaign actually for getting more young people interested in the trades because there's a huge demand for welders for carbon for all for all these people because we don't have a generation coming up now that knows how to do this stuff.

[1358] I mean, I can barely put together IKEA furniture myself, and I'm lucky because I'm good with, like, a laptop, but it's a real need, and it's hard to fucking work.

[1359] Well, not only that, I mean, doing carpentry, like building a house is really kind of fun.

[1360] I mean, building a house is very rewarding.

[1361] If you're a guy that has developed, like, I grew up, my dad, my stepdad was an architect, and so I grew up around a lot of work developers and a lot of construction guys.

[1362] I got to see the pride that they take when they've completed a job and built a building that they design they all work together on this it's it's a cool thing yeah it's a cool thing to see and watch and you know the fact that that's sort of like a dwindling part of you know what kids are looking to do in tomorrow's age it's kind of sad it's a problem it is a problem but it's kind of sad i mean there's always going to be people that appreciate it though there's always going to be someone that builds an awesome log house that's in demand cabin porn i think that's actually a website don't say it out well unless you're affiliated no but like i i i don't I hope, actually, I don't know, I can't remember what Mike Rose organization is called, but it's, it's trying to push for that.

[1363] And I, it took a mirror.

[1364] I am the guy who's also telling people, like, learn how to code.

[1365] If you want the superpower for this century, it's learning how to code.

[1366] That takes a lot of time.

[1367] Jamie and I were talking about that yesterday.

[1368] Too much work.

[1369] Sorry.

[1370] Well, then, I don't know.

[1371] I guess you're not going to be Mark Zuckerberg, Joe.

[1372] Yeah, I'm not.

[1373] I'm not going to be a Zuck.

[1374] I'm not coding.

[1375] It's not happening.

[1376] you got to also like if someone else did what I did it would be a harrowing experience it wouldn't enjoy it you know and if I did what they did it's a difference jokes for different folks my friend yeah yes indeed oh yeah when you look at the future when you see what's happened just in the short amount of time that reddit's been all around you see what happens in you know the time of the your first computer when you're on were you on aOL was a little late uh it was an ISP called Compucer?

[1377] Oh, you had a regular ISP.

[1378] 336, so I was a little late in the game.

[1379] Oh, really late?

[1380] That was my first moment.

[1381] I had a 14 -4.

[1382] Whoa.

[1383] 14 -4.

[1384] 14 -4.

[1385] I remember 56K blew my fucking mind.

[1386] This can't be real.

[1387] It's crazy.

[1388] And then there was like dual -line 56K, so you could get like two 56Ks together and share bandwidth.

[1389] Insanity.

[1390] Insanity.

[1391] All the stuff you could download.

[1392] But when you look at that and you look at the future, do you think the future is going to be in some sort of like an implant or some smaller and smaller device that lets you interface with the web?

[1393] I hope it's not too invasive.

[1394] I mean, there's already, they're right, there's already people living that kind of cyborg lifestyle now.

[1395] We've seen the transhuman community like, you know, the basic level is just quantified self and like having a thing that counts your steps, but like, or Google Glass.

[1396] But, you know, they're a next level.

[1397] Fitbits.

[1398] All those like, but they're next level.

[1399] I mean, there really is a transhuman community of people who have you know, cybernetic eyes who have, um, you know, did they really have cybernetic eyes?

[1400] Really?

[1401] There's a filmmaker, a Canadian filmmaker, actually, who's got, he lost an eye in a shooting accident, replaced it.

[1402] Um, and as a filmmaker, it actually, at least he argues, helped him with his craft.

[1403] Wow.

[1404] But there are, you know, people who have lost limbs.

[1405] I, one of the things that actually really intrigued me about the world is that, you know, you have people who have lost limbs, for instance, or born without them.

[1406] And replacement limb technology, basically hasn't changed at all.

[1407] It's the same Civil War Revolutionary War replacement up until very, very recently.

[1408] It's basically just like, here's a stick.

[1409] And there's been so much innovation on the last couple of decades to help with limb replacement, right?

[1410] Where you can actually move digits on fingers based on impulses from your armpit.

[1411] You obviously, there's the blade runner and to see the improvements on feet where you can actually run faster on these artificial limbs than on the real ones.

[1412] Like it's, there are people who are living, through this right now because of whether they were born this way or some injury that happened but you're also seeing people who are deciding to enhance themselves um through this technology this bionic eye thing is freaking me the fuck out this is uh apparently i don't think they have a completely bionic eye but they have chips that they've installed in eyes yeah he's i you had the filmmakers yeah sure i can't remember the name um they figured out a way sorry i don't think it's a totally fake eye i think what unless it's a totally different story is that live science yeah what does it say robot madness human becomes iborg rob spence a one -eyed filmmaker holds up a prosthetic eye and the camera he hopes to fit he can fit inside and i don't know how that old that article is but i this is oh from 2009 never mind but um but he's been doing a lot of work in this area and meeting a bunch of fellow cyborgs all over the world talking about this.

[1413] And like there's a transhuman subreddit.

[1414] If you go to R slash transhuman, there's an entire community of people, hundreds of thousands who are talking about all of this.

[1415] Here's the article about him that's really recent from March 21st.

[1416] And it says colorblind.

[1417] It says collure in the English way of pronouncing.

[1418] This is why we had that revolution.

[1419] Colorblind artist becomes world's first iborg.

[1420] An artist is born literally colorblind.

[1421] is able to hear different colors through an iborg antenna that he has now had implanted into the back of his head.

[1422] Whoa, just for colors.

[1423] Just for colors.

[1424] He's just colorblind.

[1425] He's not even blind.

[1426] 31 -year -old near Harbison, this guy really wants to see colors.

[1427] From Cam, how will he know if he's seeing them?

[1428] If he doesn't, never seen him before.

[1429] How do we know what the fuck that is?

[1430] Maybe he thinks it's colors.

[1431] And you're like, can I borrow your eyes?

[1432] Bitch, you don't see color.

[1433] Fucking shitty -ass eyes back.

[1434] It's like people who were trying to...

[1435] convince you that the first droids were good dude it's just like an iPhone okay let me let me try to make a text message why is it why is it vibrate when I touch you can't touch this you can't touch it you can't touch it it worked until you touched it blackberry with the fucking push button screen click click click click do you remember that I'm I had a blackberry for a minute in like 2005 2006 but I that was well they were not bad at the time but there was a blackberry attempted an iPhone like device oh no do you remember that no oh it was deaf yeah blackberry touch or something like that Something like that.

[1436] I think that's exactly what it was.

[1437] Oh, poor black.

[1438] Remember, it's dog shit?

[1439] Too soon, guys.

[1440] Too soon.

[1441] Remember when picture messaging had that number and you had to go to a website and then type in the number just to see like a very small photo?

[1442] Tiny -ass little thing.

[1443] Yeah, so this guy's, I mean, he's crazy as fuck because he can see.

[1444] And so just to get colors.

[1445] Okay, no, wait, there's definitely another dude.

[1446] But this is the artist.

[1447] Colorblind artist?

[1448] There's another guy.

[1449] There's a, there's a, it's just a filmmaker who.

[1450] who just lost an eye.

[1451] Oh.

[1452] See, all this is happening.

[1453] All this is to say, I think we are, we're approaching a point where these technologies, basically the internet, have a much more seamless interaction with us.

[1454] But we still got a little while.

[1455] Still got a little bit.

[1456] Yeah.

[1457] But whatever.

[1458] Enjoy this moment.

[1459] Because when it hits, it's going to be so fucking weird.

[1460] When the singularity does take place, which I personally think is going to be some sort of an artificial creation.

[1461] whether it's artificial intelligence or a network that can think for itself, a sentient network.

[1462] Yeah, one of those things is going to happen.

[1463] And it's going to be a motherfucker man. It's going to be a complete flipping of the board table.

[1464] Yeah.

[1465] No, it's, I, what I like about Kurzweil and the whole singularity push is they are optimistic, futurists.

[1466] There are definitely a lot of futures who are just going to, they're real downers.

[1467] But the Kurzweil one is a pretty, pretty positive one.

[1468] And dude, who wouldn't, I mean, the crazy thing is, right, if we have enough processing power, all right, okay, if life is just perception, right, a little thing that goes, again, not a scientist.

[1469] But it's things that fire that make us feel like we're perceiving this world or that sandwich or that beer or whatever.

[1470] Like, if you have enough processing power to reproduce the human brain, how can we actually tell the difference?

[1471] I mean, if at the end of the day, it's doing all the same things, right?

[1472] That's that we're just perceiving a world.

[1473] It really starts to question like consciousness and humanity.

[1474] kinds of really big awesome things absolutely what is humanity and is it just the standards that we've accepted because this is what we're accustomed to and this is our culture and so we just we don't want to change things or in the face of some overwhelming intelligent life that we've created ourselves that it literally becomes gods around us we're going to have some weird decisions to make as to what should we keep fucking these guys are way better than us and they come out of cans and they could enslave us once I mean this is this is getting real now I don't to worry you guys too much about Skynet.

[1475] Don't, don't, don't, I mean, don't worry about it.

[1476] Scare the shit out of us.

[1477] No, it's, these are, I mean, I don't have answers to this stuff.

[1478] I've got a front row seat and it's been fascinating.

[1479] That's one of the things.

[1480] So why Combinator was the VC firm, the seat stage VC firm, the first invested in me and Steve, like nine years ago.

[1481] And I work as a sort of advisor and ambassador for them these days.

[1482] But like, the companies that come through there, like, I mean, yeah, me and Steve, got through with Reddit, but like if we had applied today, we would just been laughed at.

[1483] What do you mean?

[1484] Applied?

[1485] If we had applied today with what we did nine years ago, we would have been laughed out of the room because the, the applications, the quality, the richness, how much they've created and how far they've come is so much further along.

[1486] And so we are, you know, companies like Airbnb and Dropbox, for instance, also went through Y Combinator.

[1487] It's multi -billion dollar companies that started the same way we did, just a couple of founders and pizza and working.

[1488] And we're seeing companies now that are doing, like, a self -driving car company went through the last batch.

[1489] There are a couple of engineers who have outfitted their Audi with a self -driving thing.

[1490] It looks like the thing on top of the police car.

[1491] It looks like one of those things.

[1492] And it's just all the sensors.

[1493] And they can do highway driving in this Audi.

[1494] You can actually, like, sit in this thing while it drives.

[1495] And it's a self -driving car that three engineers have been hacking on for the last six months.

[1496] Like, it's just, it's, you can just drop your jaw and be like, holy shit.

[1497] like this is this is a wild future that is being created right before our eyes by you know people just like me and things like the google glass which i think is just a step i mean along the way it's a gap the gap has to be bridged i mean it's not going to be bridged in one instant application that's an injection of nanoparticles into your body that allows to you to interface your you know your retina and your visual cortex with the worldwide web is distributed through government Wi -Fi i mean that's probably a hundred years from now or whatever it is 10 years from now who knows how things get crazy probably tomorrow probably next week but the the google glass is the bridge i mean it has to be there's got to be a google glass and there's got to be a google contact lens and then there's got to be something else and it's it's going to happen just like we went from the brick phone you know they were in the rap videos and everybody was bawling they had that big ass brick phone yeah bitch i'm talking you and you ain't nowhere near me saved by the bell yeah zach morris phone yeah or the ones that were in In a suitcase.

[1498] That was another cool invention.

[1499] With a court.

[1500] It was a cordial phone in a suitcase.

[1501] Hello.

[1502] I'm walking down the street on the phone.

[1503] That's how important I am.

[1504] You know, and people would get real angry and uppity when they would see those.

[1505] They didn't like it.

[1506] People get upset.

[1507] I could see that.

[1508] They didn't like it.

[1509] Look at his fucking asshole with his fucking phone coming out of a suitcase.

[1510] You should be using your phone.

[1511] Why don't you go get a job?

[1512] Get a fucking job, you homo.

[1513] Walking around with your phone.

[1514] But now it's a fucking.

[1515] It's so small.

[1516] I mean, they're sliding into pockets and you open them up and they fucking show you the world.

[1517] And I think no one who had one of those stupid brick phones ever saw that coming.

[1518] No. No, definitely not.

[1519] And that's a bridge that's been gapped in my lifetime through my memory.

[1520] Yeah, and I'm 100 % aware of when it happened.

[1521] I had a really, I had a cell phone in 1989.

[1522] I had a cell phone in my car.

[1523] Wait, like a car phone?

[1524] Yeah, I had a car phone.

[1525] Wait, would it, uh, how would that work?

[1526] Cigarette lighter?

[1527] It was stuck into the, into the car.

[1528] It was installed in the car itself.

[1529] Baller, buttons right there.

[1530] Well, it was, it was a girl that I was dating.

[1531] Her, um, I wound up buying the car from her, and her parents bought her a car, but she got a standard, like a stick shift.

[1532] She hated it.

[1533] She hated driving a standard.

[1534] And so, uh, I was dating her at the time, so I wound up taking the car and then, eventually paying her for it.

[1535] But it was like she installed this car phone.

[1536] Would you make a habit of taking calls from it?

[1537] No, no, no. You can't.

[1538] It was stupid, stupid, expensive.

[1539] And it was like right after it all happened, like we started breaking up.

[1540] So it was like she couldn't even drive the car.

[1541] So I was driving the car.

[1542] Then I was sending her money for it.

[1543] The whole thing was a disaster.

[1544] Okay, so the lesson learned is never buy a car with a car phone.

[1545] Yeah.

[1546] Well, no. At the time, it was a ridiculous thing to have.

[1547] But it was pretty crazy.

[1548] I don't remember why she wanted to get it.

[1549] of why we wound up getting a phone no one needed it at the time there was only like a few people that I even knew that I'd ever seen one at the time there was a guy named Jackie Flynn do you know Jackie Flynn is Jackie Flynn's a comic he's been in a bunch of the Fairley Brothers movies very funny guy he was the first guy that I ever saw that had a car phone I was like this is the craziest fucking thing ever this guy can just call people anytime he wants but it's stupid expensive and it wouldn't work everywhere it would like you would drive down the street it wasn't like now like it's odd to get shitty service.

[1550] Then it was fairly standard.

[1551] Like most of the time you got shit service.

[1552] If you're driving, you're constantly going in and out of services.

[1553] You'd pull over to the side of the road and just wait.

[1554] Or you'd keep driving until you got good enough service, then immediately pull over.

[1555] Yeah, that was a big one.

[1556] Start making a call.

[1557] Yeah, especially if it's an important call.

[1558] You can't go over the hot.

[1559] You can't, to this day, you can't go over Laurel Canyon if you got something to say.

[1560] You can't trust it.

[1561] For sure.

[1562] With everybody's phone, there's going to be a bump in the road.

[1563] I'm still still learning about this whole LA thing.

[1564] The 405, don't fuck around the 405.

[1565] When you come over that hill, when you're going into the valley, if you're coming from Santa Monica and you're going over that hill, prepare for death.

[1566] There's no cell phone coverage and you go over that hump.

[1567] I don't know why they can't fix that.

[1568] You know it's their stupid.

[1569] It's the 21st century.

[1570] Not only that, they're building a 19 -lane highway up there.

[1571] I mean, the highway is fucking enormous.

[1572] It's the biggest highway you've ever seen in your life.

[1573] 19?

[1574] I don't know how many lanes it is.

[1575] It's insane.

[1576] They're so big.

[1577] I grew up in Boston, and the first time I came, to California, I went to Bellflower.

[1578] I took a ride down to Bellflower, which is down the 405 and to the 91.

[1579] But I couldn't believe how big the highway was.

[1580] I couldn't believe it.

[1581] I was driving.

[1582] I was like, this is insane.

[1583] The amount of concrete.

[1584] Because all those old Boston highways were all like four lanes, two up, two back.

[1585] That's it.

[1586] These things were giant, like multiple lanes.

[1587] Five, six, seven lanes on each side.

[1588] See, you guys know what you're doing here with the car thing.

[1589] No, there's just too many people.

[1590] And that's why self -driving cars will change everything.

[1591] I'm telling me, is there going to ever be, there is purportedly, I'm a, I'm a New York guy now, so like, I love by public transportation.

[1592] Do you guys, is that?

[1593] It's not existing.

[1594] It's not happening.

[1595] It's not existing.

[1596] Isn't there, there's supposed to be a bus and somebody?

[1597] It depends where you want to go.

[1598] Like, I live in Burbank, and so there's like, right in North Hollywood, there's a station.

[1599] You can take it, pretty much drop your car off and go right to the Staples Center.

[1600] So if there was an event at the Staples Center, you just go in and out.

[1601] But other than that, the problem is they don't have it.

[1602] good like they don't have in Santa Monica they don't have it like the beach towns and it's it's just not as cool like you have it's not good the system also like the city is so spread out like California is so spread out and people are not really into the idea of being in a car with a bunch of other people everybody's so self -important out here and so non -integrated it's one of the things that I one of the things I was thinking of when I was starting to raise my kids I was thinking maybe my kids would probably do better if they lived somewhere like New York where they kind of had to interface with people all the time on a regular basis a bunch of different strangers all the time whereas like California where everybody's like we go from one box into another box and occasionally we see people to step out of their boxes and then they go in their boxes and we all go our separate way whereas in New York everybody's sort of like meshing bumping in Boston too yeah would you ever move back east no too it's too cold wow you're just wrong kind of cold.

[1603] That wet cold.

[1604] Colorado dry cold, I like.

[1605] That wet cold is ridiculous.

[1606] See, I, I was born and raised on the East Coast, man. I don't know if I could ever, I could ever give it up.

[1607] Oh, that's so ridiculous.

[1608] I lived in San Francisco for two minutes.

[1609] If it fell into the ocean, you'd still stay alive.

[1610] I'd stay in, oh, well.

[1611] You'd figure out of way.

[1612] Yeah.

[1613] Yeah, but I just am saying.

[1614] Yeah, all right.

[1615] But I, I, uh, I just never, I don't know.

[1616] And there's so much, obviously, there's so much in tech going on in San Francisco.

[1617] And actually, LA's tech scene.

[1618] Not too shabby.

[1619] Not too shabby.

[1620] Well, Snapchat's the one everyone talks about right now.

[1621] That's all dickpicks, fueled by vaginas and...

[1622] Tinder is L .A. as well.

[1623] I hate Snapchat.

[1624] What do you think about Snapchat?

[1625] I just...

[1626] I don't...

[1627] I tried using it for a minute, but...

[1628] I just don't...

[1629] Does it get to a point that just like every kind of technology, do you get to a certain age that you start not getting it?

[1630] Oh, maybe that's what...

[1631] Because that's what I think it is.

[1632] That's what it is.

[1633] Because in the college store, every kid's Snapchatting, all the things.

[1634] Every girl I know.

[1635] Snapchating.

[1636] Yeah, people like it.

[1637] Whatever.

[1638] I don't get it.

[1639] It's fine.

[1640] People look for fun shit to do on their phone.

[1641] You know, and if something comes along, it gives you a time limit on a picture.

[1642] Ooh, there's my asshole.

[1643] Woo!

[1644] You know, you motherfucker, you took a screenshot.

[1645] I said, let me know.

[1646] Yeah, but I don't get...

[1647] Close to home, Joe, is that?

[1648] Well, it doesn't have to, first of all, you don't...

[1649] People are so stupid.

[1650] All you have to do is take a picture of the fucking screen with a camera.

[1651] That's really meta.

[1652] It's so dumb.

[1653] It's like, it's not...

[1654] You don't really need to snapshot it.

[1655] There's no...

[1656] Nothing goes away anymore.

[1657] I mean, you can't send it to someone and I hope it goes away.

[1658] First rule, assume if it is digital, it is everywhere.

[1659] And then the second rule is assume that there's a photo of you online somewhere someone has photoshopped a dick in your mouth.

[1660] And now even more with this new heartbleed exploit that's going on, that the government made, I mean, a hacker made.

[1661] Oh, that's good.

[1662] That's what I was going to ask you.

[1663] I forgot.

[1664] What percentage of people on Reddit are government disinformation agents that are designed to interrupt conversations and turn the tide?

[1665] On climate control.

[1666] Let's say if you go to Reddit, Reddit, what, the climate control arguments?

[1667] Environment.

[1668] are actually one of the one of the subs i don't remember because every subred is its own form its own community with its own moderators one of them actually banned climate deniers like they basically said we're not going to and then you know what typically happens is this is like any word press blog deciding hey we're no longer going to post stories about blah so if people really want it they go and create a new subred and they're like fuck you guys we're creating right real politics or really real politics or whatever it is so it's a it's a it's a robust enough system that like new things rise but so they'll ban climate deniers from one forum but the climate deniers can open up their own form as well basically like creating a subreddit is really like creating a wordpress blog but you're part of a much larger network and so every subreddit has its own moderation team like snoop for instance is a moderator of our trees that's ridiculous snoop moderates yeah he's he's he's active uh quite active it is dope it is pretty it's pretty spectacular but like Fish nizzle, my nittle.

[1669] People, people can create these sort of forms in these communities and run them as they see fit.

[1670] And if people don't like it, they create another one.

[1671] Dude, that's amazing.

[1672] But on the whole, we work really, really, really hard to mitigate sort of ring voting and cheating to try to goose up, stories or goose down, don't.

[1673] So I mean, I'm sure, you know, as soon as Reddit became as, you know, 200, whatever, million people, as soon as it became as large as it was, or at some point it tipped over and people realized it is in our best interest to be here.

[1674] Now, there are always there are the social media douchebags who, you know, are upvoting all their garbage marketing content.

[1675] But I'm sure.

[1676] I'd be naive to say that there weren't states trying to help encourage and some content and discourage others.

[1677] But we, like I said, we work really hard.

[1678] I think there's no perfect system.

[1679] But I'm sure people are trying.

[1680] But the vast majority of people are just regular people.

[1681] Yeah, I agree with you.

[1682] I think there's always going to be someone who tries to do that.

[1683] But you're dealing with the numbers of humans are so great.

[1684] It would be really difficult for someone to subvert that system as like a clandestine group trying to intercept ideas and throw disinformation into them.

[1685] There's just so many really smart people out there that can see through bullshit and that we'll post, you know, like contradicting information and show what's wrong with this and then spend a lot of time to make you look stupid.

[1686] Yes.

[1687] You know, those guys are good at it, man. There's some fucking awesome discussions on whether it's on Reddit or I have a message board that's been around since 1998.

[1688] You're an OG man. You know exactly.

[1689] In this form as a like a V bulletin, it's been around since 2001.

[1690] Right on.

[1691] You know, and it's not the best system, though.

[1692] It's a good system.

[1693] It's easy to go back and read, you know, but it's not the best system as far as like getting the best stuff to rise to the top.

[1694] It's like the Reddit system of vote ups and vote downs.

[1695] that's like it seems to be like a really good way of eradicating shitty ideas or at least non you know non unanimous opinions or opinions that unanimously voted against do uh do you know guys know check out our jo rogan i wonder i imagine there's an active joe rogan so yeah yeah there's joe rogan experiences which uh i always go on and then there's uh here's joe rogan experience which is pretty Pretty good.

[1696] There's, I think, 21 ,000 people that do it.

[1697] Oh, snap.

[1698] And so subscribers, you know, those are like Twitter followers, right?

[1699] So subscribers are about maybe a tenth of the actual people looking.

[1700] Because only about a tenth will be subscribed.

[1701] So there's probably about 200 ,000.

[1702] So almost a quarter million.

[1703] Now, how do you keep someone from, like, say if someone was on Reddit and they were posting something about an ex -girlfriend or being rude about information or photos?

[1704] how do you stop that stuff from happening well i mean it depends it depends on the situation right like reddit as a platform uh like twitter um doesn't actually actually no twitter does host sorry so reddit redid does not host content so we i guess we host text but we don't host images or video um so oftentimes those things will be on youtube or imager and that's you know we're kind of like a traffic sign or like a map to it um but we can't do anything about the actual content um and in the event of you know, content that's posted, the generally accepted rule is, if it is legal, then we will let it stand.

[1705] And that has been, you know, every, like I said, every subreddit gets moderated.

[1706] So most, the vast majority of them are moderated such that like garbage content like that.

[1707] Like on your forum, you wouldn't want a bunch of garbage content floating up like that that wasn't adding any value.

[1708] And so you have the opportunity to, you know, as a moderator, ban it.

[1709] But as a general platform, the thinking is if it is legal, we're okay with it.

[1710] Even if, you know, in some instances it is distasteful, the vast, like I said, the vast majority of the content is just harmless or good.

[1711] It's also, I feel like with a lot of the distasteful stuff that people getting really upset about, I think that it's one of those things that the human race is just going to have to go through.

[1712] It's like a phase or a stage in this integration with information that we're going through.

[1713] There's still anonymity.

[1714] And the anonymity is something that people cherish and they cherish their quote unquote privacy and their rights to privacy and they have all these ideas about it but that's that's going to be like saying you don't want to see people anymore it's really what it's going to be like i reserve the right to not see people okay well if you go in the woods and go deep deep deep deep deep deep in the woods where there's no people you can not see people however if you want to be in cities you're going to have to see people fuck and that's sort of what's going to happen when it comes to people being assholes online.

[1715] Yeah.

[1716] It's it's not going to be as simple as you're hiding behind a duck tuck 69 you know that's your name and you're distributing all sorts of nasty evil shit and then what did you think about here's a good example that one guy that he he was on Reddit and he was like apparently he was very rude and put a lot of nasty shit on they found out who he was and he got fired from his job and it turned out like this is a guy he's got a family and he had to support them and now he's like been publicly shamed what was what was your feeling on that um well which part like you know what the the price you pay for uh freedom or for the freedom to post stuff is to take have to take responsibility for it as a content for creator and uh you know it's like at the end of the day you know you create the soapbox so like we created a kind of soapbox or a printing press or a hammer right like any kind of tool and so at the end of the day we're not responsible for what like ultimately someone does with a hammer or a printing press the vast majority of which is good sometimes cannot be and you know he he essentially paid the price for that and it's it's frustrating because on the whole the vast majority of people who pick up that hammer are like any random Twitter user or any random any random person like just being reasonable normal people.

[1717] And some of them aren't.

[1718] And, you know, it's a matter of saying, you know what, we want to have this be that open platform.

[1719] There's no, fundamentally, there's no way to stop or police every single thing that gets done in real time.

[1720] We make our best effort.

[1721] And when on occasion, there are things that are illegal, well, we do what we need to do.

[1722] But, um, well, apparently this guy was a real douchebag online, just as a real asshole and rude.

[1723] And so people sort of justified that he could be taken down because of that.

[1724] But in his defense, and it's a sketchy defense, what I would say is that if the precedent's been set and the precedent is anonymity, and there's some people that get a charge out of using that anonymity to poke at people and be rude and nasty and they get some weird sort of sick charge out of it, okay, yes, they definitely are causing discomfort.

[1725] For it, yes, they are definitely probably, quote, unquote, cyber harassing.

[1726] But that precedent of anonymity is very strange because once we've established sort of what we think is going to be the standard reaction to these things, people are going to get upset, they're going to ban screen names.

[1727] But what they're not going to do is find out who you are and then go to your employer and expose all your shit.

[1728] And once that does happen, it's like, whoa, wait a minute, wait a minute, I thought we were playing a game.

[1729] Like, he might have gotten out of hand, but he probably thought, at least part of it was him playing this game that was afforded to him by anonymity and probably what we understand the laws to be.

[1730] I think the real, so one of the things that has, is generally accepted is this idea of not, the challenge is, so this is, this is pseudonymity that he had a pseudonym.

[1731] he he did not or or any one of us who goes online to use a pseudonym still has some kind of a persona online and they probably use that account elsewhere they do or maybe they don't um but there's some acceptance in this new world that like all of one can find out almost anything about sort of publicly available stuff about us with enough searching with enough sleuthing with enough phone calls and enough tenacity right every investigative journalist has been doing this forever but like There is this challenge that, like, there is no easy answer for this because ultimately there is going to be, right, that's going to show up as a website.

[1732] It's going to show up as blabby -blah's real identity .com.

[1733] And some really determined person is going to create that thing that's going to out whatever it is.

[1734] And there aren't very clear laws around this just because it hasn't really, it happened, there's no precedent for it.

[1735] And so for the time being, it becomes, you know, try as much as possible to discourage.

[1736] this idea of like quote unquote doxing um but there's no why they call it doxing uh i actually don't know the etymology of it but like to find the documents around i presume i don't actually know yeah um and that's the kind of phrase for it but uh but it's a matter of figuring that out and i'm not i i think we are still as a society figuring that out um because it but we like trolls in a way like people like funny trolls like i i i'd like some trolls on my mess I've got some people on my message board that are just hilarious there are and it's so tough to draw that distinction because I know what you're talking about it's a it's a kind of a game they're playing yeah and the kind of a game is they're trying to piss people off and they're they're trying to get people to argue with them and sometimes they'll argue both sides you know they're just they're having fun yeah and they might do it and some people take it real deep just like I was saying that if Stanhope was in the room and I was on stage talking shit I might say something extra fucked up just to make him laugh right I think they do that with each other as well.

[1737] And I'm not saying that it's all innocent, but I am saying that if you do look at it all honestly and objectively, you've got to leave room for the entertainment value of people fucking with people on the internet because there's something to it.

[1738] Yeah, and there is, look, and there is a, there's a, there's a precedent for this, right, in Meetspace, like hecklers for instance, right?

[1739] Like, there is...

[1740] Meat space?

[1741] Yeah, as opposed to cyberspace.

[1742] Like, there's a precedent for this.

[1743] And I think there is, and one thing I should stress is that just having a real identity does not stop people from being assholes on the internet.

[1744] Facebook is a perfect example, right?

[1745] You can have your photo, you're a full name, and trust me, we've all seen those screenshots.

[1746] Maybe we've even seen them on our friends' posts, but like people say some awful, offensive, horrible stuff on Facebook with their name next to it.

[1747] They say some unbelievably dumb shit too.

[1748] So having a real ID will not stop people from being obnoxious or stupid or, you know, whatever adjective.

[1749] Well, I don't think it'll stop them, but what it will do is open them up for the consequences of such behavior that they may have been unaware of.

[1750] And that's what the interaction that the internet provides to the average douche wad from 20 years ago never experienced.

[1751] You're not going to experience.

[1752] If you're just one of those guys that has some fucking racist thing that you spout out in your neighborhood and nobody calls you on it, you know, maybe because you're big or maybe because you're important, maybe it's because it's the neighborhood.

[1753] But if you put that shit on your Facebook page and someone takes a photo of it and then puts it on Reddit, boom, shalok, lock boom it's coming at you son yeah fucking thousands of people you never met calling you a cunt saying they know where you live saying they're gonna find you and smack the shit out of you saying they're gonna shit in your mouth and hold it that's really specific they get well it's people who can get specific um but then of course they get in trouble for violence and threats because that becomes non -anonymous as well that's why you should make a real value on karma points and then people wouldn't be dicks and they could actually get something you know how could you have a real What would the exchange it for U .S. dollars?

[1754] I don't know.

[1755] Make it exchange it for Bitcoins or angels and demons.

[1756] What do you think about Bitcoin?

[1757] You feel like Bitcoin is like, well, no, what do you feel?

[1758] I'm actually an investor in a couple of Bitcoin stars.

[1759] I know it.

[1760] So I'm pretty.

[1761] They're one of them!

[1762] I'm pretty bullish.

[1763] I'm not like, this is going to, I'm not at the like 10 level where this is like end of governments, end of states.

[1764] Like we are living in it.

[1765] Like, but I am, I think I'm most interested in the fact that these like basically transferring units of value has been really hard and needlessly expensive for too long because banks make a lot I think I think Bank of America tries me $25 to do an overnight wire and it's like come on guys, it's ones and zeros you don't need, there's not a bunch of guys in the factory floor being like we gotta get this wire to Denmark tomorrow like it's absurd and and so so much the financial system has these like a lot of revenue tied into moving ones and zeros cryptocurrency, whether it's Bitcoin or whether it's Dogecoin or whether it's whatever coin.

[1766] Podcoins, is going to be...

[1767] Really?

[1768] There's a Pock?

[1769] Of course there is.

[1770] How's the Kardashian coin?

[1771] Isn't there a Kim Kardashian?

[1772] Or is a Kanye?

[1773] I don't know what I talk about it on this podcast.

[1774] All right.

[1775] Oh, Kim.

[1776] Pride of the Armenian people.

[1777] Well, listen, you can't deny the ass.

[1778] That is undeniable.

[1779] The whole thing's a mess, but hey, what are you going to do?

[1780] Yeah.

[1781] It's part of what makes us fun.

[1782] I think part of what makes people fun is our followers.

[1783] I think we were all beautiful and perfect and Dalai Lama -esque.

[1784] Come on, man. A bunch of people wearing orange everywhere and no one's getting their dick sucked.

[1785] It would be ridiculous.

[1786] It would be boring.

[1787] That just not sound like fun at all.

[1788] Exactly.

[1789] There'd be no freakness.

[1790] And people like that, wrong or right, they provide that extra, that extra stupidity to life that makes the flavor.

[1791] It's just like a hint of basil in a stew that just makes the whole thing.

[1792] You can get by without the basil, but it just adds something to it.

[1793] Yeah, the ridiculous fuck.

[1794] dance that we do a lot of notes are involved in this ridiculous dance all of it together is beautiful though wow the symphony of life symphony of life bittersweet as it may be but yes bullish on uh cryptocurrencies i think it's it's going to be it's going to be real interesting do you know uh andrius antinopolis i feel like i should know that you should he is the jesus of bitcoin oh he would be on the podcast again on the 22nd And he said he's been preparing for you, Brian.

[1795] Are you a skeptic?

[1796] Brian threw some surprise curveballs at him.

[1797] I did?

[1798] And he got, no. Not really.

[1799] You were slight, let me, Brian's skeptical about Bitcoin, more than I am.

[1800] The weird thing is, is that I don't like how your IP address is public.

[1801] They say it's not.

[1802] They say it's not.

[1803] It is, though.

[1804] But apparently, I don't know.

[1805] But according to them, they say there's ways that it's not.

[1806] And immediately after.

[1807] Okay, let's find out right now.

[1808] And then immediately after he gave me some Bitcoins, some other person just gave me some Bitcoin.

[1809] I'm like, all right, so somebody's now stalking me because I got some bitcoins.

[1810] But they're giving you, oh.

[1811] You know what I mean?

[1812] But where did this person just immediately come?

[1813] Is this guy just tracking every number?

[1814] Don't be a pussy.

[1815] Guy's trying to give you some money.

[1816] And then with the tracking of the IP address, I feel like that there's just some weird, there's something going on that I don't know about, and I don't like it.

[1817] Like the IP address thing freaks me out.

[1818] All right, here it says, doing so might leak the fact that you are using Bitcoin Fog, but no other details.

[1819] Okay, so there's ways around it.

[1820] Bitcoin Fog is a way around it, apparently.

[1821] Yeah, sure.

[1822] There's way around it.

[1823] Got to use Fog now.

[1824] Yeah, for the highest level of anonymity, you need Tor.

[1825] You will need TOR.

[1826] TOR is an open source, open source, open source, open source, anonymization network for a short overview, The tour browser bundle.

[1827] So now the only people that know what you're doing is this company that's anonymous.

[1828] Hey, the government.

[1829] No, no, tour's legit.

[1830] Tour's legit.

[1831] You say so, but when the fucking tour train comes crashing off the fucking train and into the woods, where are you going to be, I'll tell you, we're going to be, you're going to be selling books without their permission by Alexis Hachanian.

[1832] What's the name of?

[1833] Oh, thank you.

[1834] Yeah, there's no title on the cover, just the symbols, man. Without their permission.

[1835] the um but real talk is this the name of the book without their yeah oh yeah the uh the real talk though you know there is you gonna be real right now oh yeah you keep it in real this technology tour is amaze balls it is the thing when you hear about chinese dissidents who are looking at Tiananmen square massacre photos right even though there's the great firewall it's because of tour whoa and this is i mean it's been it's been like it is it really is one of those pure forms of so it's open source software right so you can take a look at the source anytime for you know not only improving it but also just sort of promoting that transparency but it's the thing that lets us actually get through any of the states that want to try their hardest I mean trying to spend a lot of money and a lot of time and a lot of smart people trying to keep the internet down but thanks to the tour and resourceful humans you know they lose that's pretty fucking badass I love hearing shit like that that's such an interesting thing when something comes along that just is built by people smarter than the oppressors.

[1836] And not a business.

[1837] It's an open source project.

[1838] It's like a bunch of people got their leg.

[1839] Software is best to explain as, well, maybe not best, but I like explaining it as like Legos.

[1840] And so a bunch of people through the internet with like pseudonyms who maybe never even met each other in real life, brought together their digital Lego kits to build something cool that no one had built before that now lets anyone, like I said, openly surf the internet in spite of some of the most powerful and repressive states in the world.

[1841] What did you think when that older Japanese gentleman who they credited with creating Bitcoin, but apparently maybe didn't?

[1842] And they really hounded this fucking guy and waited outside his house and knocked on his door.

[1843] And this is scary stuff.

[1844] It seemed like some rather excessive journalism, to say the least.

[1845] Well, not just excessive, but incorrect harassment.

[1846] But then have they not?

[1847] I know they responded by saying we're sticking to the story.

[1848] I don't know if they've since backed off of it.

[1849] stick to the story.

[1850] It's just some poor little man that you can fucking harass.

[1851] Even if he did encrypt it or whatever, figure it out, code it, if he did create Bitcoin, or it was one of the people who created Bitcoin, you'd have no right to hound him like that.

[1852] And he made it very clear.

[1853] He didn't want.

[1854] Yeah.

[1855] He doesn't want anything.

[1856] And you're standing outside of his house, ringing his doorbell, sticking cameras in his face.

[1857] Fuck you, man. You can't do that.

[1858] There's proper channels.

[1859] You send a letter or an email.

[1860] Would you like to be interviewed?

[1861] If not, Leave him the fuck alone Yeah, what did the guy do that's so awful?

[1862] The guy came up with some sort of an algorithm To make an alternative currency So you think that you're okay to stick a fucking camera in his face And broadcast his image without his permission To the whole fucking world And now that they're not sure Whether or not they're correct or not Like, God damn, it's awkward It seems like that guy should be getting paid What was his name?

[1863] Satoshi Well, his, I don't remember what his actual name was that was a pseudonym.

[1864] Yeah.

[1865] It's fucking, it's scary shit, man. So you can mask the thing.

[1866] That's good, but the thing that freaked me out though was how in private, sort of, I guess, somebody gave me some bitcoins just to show me how to do it.

[1867] And then later that night, I just got, like, and so did jam ban.

[1868] Free money.

[1869] I know, but that's like, that freaks me out.

[1870] It's like, why are people just sending me money now that don't even know who I am based on my IP address?

[1871] They have a vested interest in you joining.

[1872] Like, it's the kind of system that gets more valuable as more people join it and do business on it.

[1873] And, I mean, just like, you know, dollars, right?

[1874] I mean, dollars are a store that's valued over most parts of the world because people are cool doing business in it.

[1875] So a similar idea.

[1876] So, like, because it's still at the four, everyone who's into this is pretty bullish on it.

[1877] And they want as many other people that can get on.

[1878] I mean, what's crazy?

[1879] Well, all you have to do is have people involved that want it to work.

[1880] And it will work.

[1881] It's just going to take time.

[1882] And it's been, the challenge for Bitcoin is now, is this going to be something people that are going to be buying stuff in online?

[1883] So like Overstock made headlines.

[1884] They partnered with Coinbase, which is one of those companies I've backed, by accepting Bitcoin.

[1885] And like, you know, processing non -trivial amounts of money, people buying furniture in Bitcoin online.

[1886] Tiger Direct.

[1887] Tiger Direct doing it.

[1888] Are you guys taking Bitcoin donations?

[1889] no we don't take donations no there's no beggar only you two well they don't want people to know my IP address I don't uh I don't take any donations is it safe to put your bitcoin IP address out to accept bitcoins meaning like I was thinking about doing it but then I was like wait so then I have people are like no you don't want to put your number out publicly not your encrypted uh this is well there is one you definitely do not want to share publicly right but you can generate so if you use coinbase use something else you can generate a key that's free to distribute that people will use to give you a currency.

[1890] Yeah, it's very confusing for like that because I think I almost put out my bad key out to everybody.

[1891] So then people can just take your bitcoins?

[1892] They take the value that's stored.

[1893] Yeah, like that Mount Gok's shit.

[1894] I mean, that is one of the most hilarious stories of all time.

[1895] The fact that it's all magic the gathering, online exchange.

[1896] And then from there, it becomes one of the biggest Bitcoin exchanges.

[1897] on the internet.

[1898] It's totally not coded correctly.

[1899] And people are just sticking knife holes into the bottom of the bag.

[1900] It's stealing blood to the point where hundreds of millions of dollars in Bitcoin is missing.

[1901] Yeah, kind of a cluster.

[1902] Who stole all that money?

[1903] Do you know?

[1904] You know what?

[1905] I'm not allowed to tell you guys.

[1906] There's a dick guys.

[1907] There's already plenty of internet speculation.

[1908] Well, it's weird because it seems like you should be able to track them.

[1909] It seems like you should be able to know where they are.

[1910] It seems like that's just another step that's missing from this equation that would make money all the more...

[1911] I mean, it would really make it all the more tangible if you could track it, if you know where it was.

[1912] I mean, you have...

[1913] I actually don't know the specifics of the Mount Gox heist, but generally speaking, any one of those transactions is a part of the public record.

[1914] Like, it's that much...

[1915] I mean, you don't know a lot about it, but you know that there's a...

[1916] Or they didn't pay attention while I was going on?

[1917] No, I don't actually know the specifics of it.

[1918] I think the general consensus online was it was some kind of an inside job as part of, uh...

[1919] Yeah.

[1920] That's my job, that motherfucker.

[1921] I don't know.

[1922] He looked like he might be the inside jobby type.

[1923] Shifty looking fuck.

[1924] Where's my bitcoins?

[1925] Yeah, the, uh, but here's the thing.

[1926] After all of those, you know, there have been a number of quote unquote crashes um, and Bitcoin continues to persevere, continues to expand.

[1927] I mean, it's, it, and ultimately it may not be Bitcoin.

[1928] It may be another cryptocurrency.

[1929] and I mean Dogecoin is an amazing community they sponsored a NASCAR at Talladega Really?

[1930] They got the Olympic or they got the Jamaican bobsled team to the Olympics at Soshi True story Really?

[1931] Yeah they did a big fundraise around Crowd Tilt raised like 30 grand Didn't they have a movie?

[1932] Yeah Disney original to the fucking Olympics How about you No Disney's not Disney Not cut them checks Jesus Disney Come on Yeah you They got boy that was like a big thing for a while Like everybody was like making fun of the Jamaican bobsled team, how hilarious it was.

[1933] Then it just lost its novelty until Dogecoin comes along.

[1934] Until Dogecoin were resurrected So you're more bullish on Dogecoin than Bitcoin?

[1935] You know, I'm excited about cryptocurrency as a whole.

[1936] I think Bitcoin certainly come the farthest in terms of mainstream.

[1937] Like there's their random subways in Pennsylvania taking Doge coins for a $5 foot long.

[1938] Really?

[1939] But yeah, but Doge is this satire that people are actually taking seriously like it's it's like it's very clearly a joke that everyone's in on but in that spirit lots of people are like yeah look it's taking the piss out of cryptocurrency and like that's kind of funny and it's mascot as a shiba enu and yeah why not uh and it's it's bizarrely gotten momentum in part on the heels of this um tipping system so like forever in a day people have pitched micro tips um like this idea like flatter was one there's another one called tip joy where it was like if you're a blogger you're a podcaster, one of your users can come on and be like, that was cool.

[1940] Here's five cents.

[1941] And that was really the idea.

[1942] So a lot of pitches for this.

[1943] None of them took off for a variety reasons.

[1944] What Dogecoin has been able to do, and it exists on Reddit.

[1945] It exists on Twitter is developers have created these tip bots so that if you say something cool on Reddit, you just type in a comment with this particular syntax and it'll tell me, oh, look, Joe Rogan just tip me 5 ,000 doge coins.

[1946] Now, that's actually not a lot of USD, but it feels like, hey, it's 5 ,000 things.

[1947] What is this?

[1948] Let me go collect it.

[1949] And, like, weirdly enough, it has gotten a lot of momentum.

[1950] And so there's, there's, there are Twitter bots where people are routinely tipping each other in Doge.

[1951] Well, that's a nice sentiment.

[1952] It is.

[1953] I like the idea behind it.

[1954] And it's all, and it's all this, this farce of, like, to the moon, which is the, the ultimate ambition of Dogecoin people.

[1955] It was originally a Bitcoin thing that has really been embraced by the Doge coin community.

[1956] And I met, God, I met people all of the country.

[1957] We were at University of Central Florida.

[1958] and some students came up on stage with a giant doge coin it wasn't a check but equivalent of what it looked like one to present to me because they really wanted me on board with doge coin I guess that makes me a Shiba Shibna Wow I have a dog that's Shibuino Oh there he go see Oh wow when the doge coin community Find out about this Joe Big deal It's a huge deal He's half bulldog though He's a ass Poor little guy A bull shib What was your sister?

[1959] I don't know, I'll call him.

[1960] Nice dog.

[1961] This is a sweetie.

[1962] It's very friendly.

[1963] You guys don't have a photo?

[1964] It's got arthritis of my dog.

[1965] No, I don't put pictures of my dogs up online.

[1966] You're using Instagram all wrong, man. I got a photo of my cat, like, every 10.

[1967] It's good move.

[1968] Well, I put your picture up.

[1969] Oh, that'll get you a few up votes.

[1970] Maybe two.

[1971] Something?

[1972] I don't care.

[1973] Whatever it works.

[1974] Whatever it gets.

[1975] Would you look at the potential that places, is like Reddit, these information sort of distribution networks have, does it kind of freak you out that you're a part of that?

[1976] Like, you're a part of one of the biggest ones.

[1977] Like, as far as...

[1978] It wakes me out a little bit, just because I still think, like, I still think of it as a project.

[1979] My buddy and I just graduated from college.

[1980] Like, we were eating pizza.

[1981] How many employers you guys have now?

[1982] Reddit's up to 40?

[1983] I'm on the board now, so I don't know for sure.

[1984] So you're outside, chilling, collecting fat checks.

[1985] It's not quite.

[1986] Driving around, grabbing your balls everywhere.

[1987] it is like you were a fly on my wall joe i know how you think i can tell guys like you you got a certain look about you when them ball grabbing smiling dude yeah just drive it on the street that's like you're in my head man um does it does it feel weird to be a part of it do you feel like uh an obligation um in any way i mean i think the biggest obligation i felt was during uh was it two years ago, these sopa -pipa bills, these two awful bills are going to break the internet.

[1988] What got me at the time I was working on another startup called Hitmunk, a travel search website, and then the soap -a -pippet thing happened.

[1989] And all my friends were like, dude.

[1990] Explain to people who don't know what Sopa -PIPA is, please.

[1991] The Stop Online Piracy Act and the Protect IP Act.

[1992] And the first is a House bill.

[1993] The entertainment industry basically spent almost $100 million lobbying for these two bills to curb piracy.

[1994] That was the intent, and that's what they said, except the lobbyists who wrote these bills were the, like, it was, the bills were embarrassing in terms of how broad and overreach.

[1995] It was like a sledgehammer for what they said was a scalpel, and it would have really fucked up the internet.

[1996] It would have made Reddit impossible for me and Steve to start.

[1997] It would have made all user -generated content, particularly difficult to have, like, it would have really, really screwed things up.

[1998] And I got involved because everyone in D .C., who knew better, than me about politics said these two bills were inevitable.

[1999] And I was like, well, that's going to really screw things up.

[2000] So I borrowed a tie for my dad and I started going and lobbying and meeting with senators and representatives and telling them, look, I'm an entrepreneur.

[2001] I lived this amazing entrepreneurial life thanks to the open internet.

[2002] And if you pass either of these bills, my story never would happen.

[2003] And so many others just like it never would have.

[2004] And you're really screwing up one of the most viable technologies we have.

[2005] And long story short, we won.

[2006] And I say we, and I mean hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people who called in, like, melted the phone lines.

[2007] The website, like 3 ,000 websites went dark on January 18th, protesting this.

[2008] And it was, it was amazing.

[2009] I'd never been a part of something like that that was so successful.

[2010] Those bills became toxic for anyone.

[2011] All these senators representatives just ran away from them almost overnight.

[2012] Wow.

[2013] And we won.

[2014] And we haven't totally won, because there's still lots of things that are hurting the Internet.

[2015] But that's where I feel responsibility.

[2016] I feel responsible because I know how much this has benefited me. And I get to see, like I said, I'm on the front lines as an investor these days.

[2017] I get to see the kids who are doing even cool with things.

[2018] We're going to do even bigger and better things.

[2019] And I don't want to lose that.

[2020] I don't want to miss out on so much innovation because we fuck it up because it's partly that I feel indebted, but it's partly because I just want better stuff.

[2021] I want better music and I want better, I want better politics.

[2022] I want better technology.

[2023] And the internet is a gateway for that.

[2024] Do you think the internet is safe?

[2025] Do you think it's passed through that?

[2026] No. Definitely not.

[2027] What could be done?

[2028] I mean, how do you stop this tide?

[2029] All right.

[2030] So first and foremost, so net neutrality took a huge blow.

[2031] And let me say this.

[2032] Like, I'm fond of saying the world isn't flat.

[2033] Sorry, Tom Freeman, but the World Wide Web is.

[2034] And what that means is I can start a website with my buddy.

[2035] We have no connections.

[2036] We just have like an internet connection and some laptops.

[2037] And we can build something that nine years later will have more traffic.

[2038] than the New York Times or CNN.

[2039] And that works because all bits are created equal.

[2040] You can get to my brand new website, Reddit .com, nine years ago, just as easily as New York Times.

[2041] And you get to decide, do I want to go to Reddit or do I want to go to New York Times?

[2042] It's just as easy to get to.

[2043] We are now in a position where cable companies, because they basically have oligopolis, right?

[2044] There's only a handful of them, want to break this.

[2045] They don't want the Internet to be flat.

[2046] They want it to look like your cable.

[2047] They want you to have a basic package, right, where you get, you get Bing search for free because they've made a deal with Microsoft.

[2048] If you want Google, it's the next to $10 a month, but it's a really good search engine, so you'll pay for it, right?

[2049] But then if you want, if you want Joe Sixpack's new search engine, well, that's going to be an extra 50, but you probably don't want that anyway.

[2050] And so now the entrepreneur, the upstart, the nobody's in the apartment, have a much smaller percentage of the market because they're not part of the default Internet package anymore, right?

[2051] So it'd be like trying to start your own cable company.

[2052] Yeah, good luck.

[2053] Yeah, good luck.

[2054] And it...

[2055] Rather than just getting a YouTube channel and just...

[2056] starting to broadcast.

[2057] And so what used to be a flat internet will become hierarchical.

[2058] And you'll have that cable bill, or you'll have that internet bill looking just like your cable bill.

[2059] And it's, it breaks the foundation of what makes the internet work, all bits being equal.

[2060] And we're at a point now where judges in the federal courts recently ruled that pretty much cable companies can have their way now.

[2061] And at this point, my buddy at the verge, now he's at Vox, but wrote an article called The Internet is fucked.

[2062] And Nilai really nailed it with this.

[2063] And he basically had a nice little call to arms that was like, listen, at this point, call the FCC.

[2064] I know it seems ridiculous.

[2065] Call the FCC and let them know they need to give this thing teeth because the internet is a utility.

[2066] Like it is like electricity.

[2067] It is the kind of thing where we all know we need it.

[2068] We couldn't imagine a world without it.

[2069] And every one of us should have the same open, flat internet no matter what.

[2070] And we're at an interesting time because there was a time.

[2071] in America when you know kids in New York were playing by radios with electricity and kids in the South were still using candles like this we've seen this disparity before but we can change it we just have to make sure the internet becomes the utility that we know the last thing we want is the internet only to be available in its fullest form to people that pay for the premium subscription rate that's insanity yeah it is insanity and it's anti -innovation I mean it's and anybody that would want that is just trying to control innovation that's all you're just trying to control information yeah do you think is there a way to stop that at this point in time i mean i mean realistically seriously call the FCC you can read the article if you're not totally convinced he goes in i mean it's like 30 pages but worth reading um but really that's that's a big part of it another part of it is is frankly having representatives in office who understand and will fight for our internet rights and there aren't a lot of them there are maybe like six or eight now there's not a lot And, I mean, we talked earlier about our uplifting discussion with the future of politics and politicians, but like, that's where we're at right now, unfortunately.

[2072] That's what it comes down to.

[2073] So you have to call the FCC.

[2074] That's the only way to sort of get something to happen.

[2075] And, and call, I mean, having, here's the other thing I hope can come out of this, right?

[2076] The first political thing I ever got involved with was SOPA PIPA.

[2077] And that was a dangerous thing for a lot of us to get involved with because it worked out so well.

[2078] Like, we actually did the thing democracy was supposed to do, which is led a bunch of, informed citizens take action phone calls petitions letters all that stuff and change people's minds in the face of millions of dollars in lobbying and we did it and it was it was a great high especially for like a first foray into politics but the fact is there are many more of those fights that we need to keep fighting and like I want I hope a more connected I hope a more connected citizen feels entitled to this kind of stuff I hope we feel entitled to more transparency from our government I hope we feel entitled to like like to pick on Kim.

[2079] Like, we can look on Kim's Instagram right now and see what she's having for breakfast or what she had for lunch.

[2080] And that's ridiculous.

[2081] Like, that's absurd.

[2082] But it's accessible to millions of people right now 24 -7.

[2083] I want that same level of accountability for the people who represent me in government, for my government.

[2084] And there's no reason why we can't get it.

[2085] We just need to be asking for it.

[2086] Yeah, but not necessarily seeing their lunch.

[2087] Yeah.

[2088] The important shit.

[2089] The bills that they're working on and what's going on at any given moment.

[2090] Probably having they should have 24 -hour cameras on them.

[2091] Fuck it.

[2092] Fuck it.

[2093] Fuck it.

[2094] Let me read your email, bitch.

[2095] I can't edit your email, but I can read them.

[2096] They get to read ours.

[2097] They're already reading them.

[2098] It's only fair.

[2099] It's only fair.

[2100] Tell me about Aaron Schwartz.

[2101] Wow.

[2102] Wow.

[2103] So he was in the same round of Y Combinator that Steve and I were.

[2104] He was working on a startup called Infogami.

[2105] We didn't talk a lot then, but maybe six months after, his company, pretty much folded his co -founder, went back to Denmark.

[2106] and Paul Graham, who organized the Y Combinator, was like, hey, Steve, Alexis, you guys need more developers.

[2107] Why don't you work with Aaron?

[2108] And we acquired his company.

[2109] He moved in with us.

[2110] We worked together for a little bit.

[2111] We, gosh, not long thereafter got acquired.

[2112] Once we got acquired, it was clear Aaron was not really that into it.

[2113] And he left.

[2114] And we stayed in touch for a little bit thereafter, but not long.

[2115] And then he got really into politics.

[2116] really started getting involved in a lot of that great work for the open Internet.

[2117] We shared a lot of common friends.

[2118] And, you know, he did some very, he did some very unfairly punished things.

[2119] Like, he, the entire thing, he broke into a storeroom in MIT, downloaded using MIT's credentials, a bunch of these documents, research papers, but J -Store, like, these are academic articles.

[2120] downloaded a bunch of them and um and put them online right well he didn't actually put them online um but he did download them and there was presumed intent but none of that that was all presumed and uh the state or the prosecutor there in boston came down so incredibly and unjustly hard on him uh the charges they were levying i mean i i i don't know much more than what probably most people have read a few of the articles no um but he was looking at some very very very long serious uh jail time for this um it was one of those very very very very very long serious uh jail time for this um it was one of those very clear the punishment did not fit the crime situations.

[2121] They wanted to make an example of him and he very tragically took his own life.

[2122] Rather than risk going to jail was he prosecuted?

[2123] What is that?

[2124] Like he...

[2125] Did they go through and charge him and...

[2126] Yeah.

[2127] I mean, did he get found guilty?

[2128] Oh, no. This is, I don't know enough about the legal stuff of it.

[2129] I understand.

[2130] He was being investigated.

[2131] His friends, his family were being subpoenaed and question and what these papers that he put uh were they available could you get those yes yes if so they weren't secret no what it is this is this is one of those really unjust things um there's a lot of research that's done like federal research for instance that's fun with our taxpayer dollars that end up getting locked up in these like um academic journals that you have to pay a subscription for so in this case MIT had paid these subscription for it it's a non -trivial amount and and he was able anyone on the MIT network anyone at probably any major university network or anyone who wanted to pay could view these research documents.

[2132] He argued that, you know what, this is content we paid for, right?

[2133] This research was funded by our tax dollars.

[2134] Why should I have to pay a subscription to some random company who has the monopoly on access to this content?

[2135] Right.

[2136] And that is what they charge them with.

[2137] And I mean, I'm much, sorry, well, that is, those are the grounds on which he was charged.

[2138] So it was a felony because he was breaking and entering into the system.

[2139] I mean, I am not certain, but I think so.

[2140] Pretty sure that's what the argument is.

[2141] And then there were some really egregious, like, there are, there have been a handful of developers or hackers that have been sort of made examples of by the government where you have these instances of doing things that were not, like, like I said, the severity of the punishment did not even come close to the actual crime, especially in this instance where, like I said, this was not actually distributed.

[2142] it.

[2143] He was just downloading them, which again, he could do within the network, but it was technically breaking the, I don't know, the license, I guess, of J -Store.

[2144] That seems crazy.

[2145] I guess, okay, and one of this.

[2146] So he's not even like a random outside guy.

[2147] Like, he had access to those files.

[2148] Yeah, the university, I mean, any university student did.

[2149] And, and I think the most egregious, well, one of, okay, there were a lot of egregious things, but the company J -Store had actually settled up with him.

[2150] They had actually said, you know what, we understand, like, okay, it's cool.

[2151] We don't want you to press charges.

[2152] So, like, they actually, told the government don't press charges and and they continued and um so is that like a prosecutor that just wants to get a win is that is that is what that is what it looked like yeah oh yeah uh that's bone chilling and that takes us back to what we were talking about earlier about private prisons and about people making sure that there's jobs for wardens and prison guards and they're making sure that certain drug laws stay illegal or stay um on the books.

[2153] God.

[2154] It's the same thing.

[2155] People profiting off other folks.

[2156] The idea of someone just wanting to win when they're a prosecutor, just getting a case and wanting to close it.

[2157] And make an example.

[2158] And then there's pressure on you to close that case.

[2159] And if you don't, you set a precedent.

[2160] Yeah.

[2161] If the guy gets off, then the precedent has been set.

[2162] So it becomes a competitive environment.

[2163] Yeah.

[2164] Motherfucker.

[2165] And some young guy's life is on the line.

[2166] It's a, and I understand I understand the role.

[2167] I mean, like, understand the role of laws and I understand the role of a justice system and and when you see things like that that seemed to that seem to go so far astray from the intent from the point of having a justice system is really important but to have it be so just fucked up like that is um is sad is very very sad yeah it's um it's another symptom of this mad mad civilization that we're a part of like the good things and the bad things they all have to come together and law as it is and things these really rigid ideas of what's legal and illegal what the punishment can and can't be is those things are so goddamn archaic mandatory minimums mandatory minimums are fucking archaic i mean it's one thing if it's violent crime i understand that entirely i understand when you're making a victim out of someone or you're stealing things from them with violence i get that but something like this where the guys just it's information What's going to do with this information?

[2168] Is he going to take down the government?

[2169] No, no, no, he's going to let people learn.

[2170] Okay, hold the fuck up.

[2171] Can someone in the room stand up?

[2172] You want to put this guy in a cage?

[2173] Does this make sense?

[2174] You've got a super genius who has some incredibly strong morals and ethics when it comes to information.

[2175] And to him, he feels, and you've got a guy who's at the cutting edge of technology, one of the guys who helped invent RSS feeds.

[2176] He's at the cutting edge of the distribution of information, and he finds this to be a toxic flaw in the system.

[2177] Whether he's right or wrong, you don't have to put him in a way.

[2178] fucking cage like that this is the idea that this is the right thing to do it's just it's shocking it's like it's like inquisition style shocking it's like the same thing is any of the other ridiculous archaic things that we don't do anymore yeah fucked man and hopefully hopefully we can learn from this i know god i hope so erin's law uh was a bill i don't know i don't know where it got in the house um but i hope i mean this is look right like the the The thing that gives me hope is that the system is, like, it's like code in that you can, you can update it.

[2179] You can do a source revision.

[2180] Like, you can, you can update this, right?

[2181] We can make amendments.

[2182] We can change things.

[2183] We find that they are wrong.

[2184] And Aaron's law is a way to hopefully do that, but you've got to get a bunch of people who don't understand the internet to agree on somebody.

[2185] Well, what's incredibly ironic is solution is Reddit.

[2186] Have court cases decided through Reddit?

[2187] Whoa.

[2188] It's perfect.

[2189] There's not whoa, because the alternative is woe, the fact that where you, you know, using this archaic system of a judge fucking has a mallet and slams it on a piece of wood.

[2190] What are you doing asshole?

[2191] You got a mallet?

[2192] Get the fuck out of here with you.

[2193] Why don't you have a fucking bow and arrow too?

[2194] And shoot a flaming arrow through the sky to let us know that the games have begun and a guy next to you has a conch shell.

[2195] And put your powdered wigs on, you fucking assholes.

[2196] Get the fuck out of here with a mallet.

[2197] You can't keep using a mallet, stupid.

[2198] Bang, bang, bang.

[2199] Get the fuck out of here with that stupid archaic nonsense.

[2200] Reddit's the answer.

[2201] No more judges.

[2202] Get them out.

[2203] Curit of Reddit.

[2204] Karma point.

[2205] Subredits.

[2206] You have subredits.

[2207] Subredits, agriculture.

[2208] Should we be able to grow hemp?

[2209] Yes.

[2210] Boom.

[2211] We're done.

[2212] We're done here.

[2213] scrape that one up.

[2214] On to the next one.

[2215] Okay.

[2216] Should this guy go to jail because he distributes information that it was freely available to college students?

[2217] No. Okay, we're good.

[2218] Let them out.

[2219] What's next?

[2220] But you would run into the problem if there would be somebody that had like a stutter or something like that or if the joke turned on them, then everyone would vote just because of the wrong reason, you know, how the internet is.

[2221] What?

[2222] Meaning, like, what if there was somebody that had a court case and then they were being voted on Reddit?

[2223] And the guy had, you know, maybe had a stutter or talked like he was gay or something like that, how that could turn and unfairly vote for the wrong reason on the internet.

[2224] See, that's where the vote -ups and vote -downs come into play.

[2225] I think most people wouldn't do it.

[2226] I am going to be the first to say, I'm not proposing we throw out our justice system in favor of that.

[2227] I am.

[2228] I'll be the first to say I am.

[2229] All right.

[2230] I'll throw out the justice system in favor of Reddit.

[2231] I think it's a better idea.

[2232] I think, look, there certainly should be experts in all areas, whether it's experts on the environment and uninfluenced experts, experts that have no tie to the political machine, experts who have no aspirations, not only that, preclude them from having any sort of off, yeah, any sort of position of power, or any sort of gigantic job inside a corporation.

[2233] Like what we're seeing, did you see the movie Inside Jobs?

[2234] Did you ever see that?

[2235] Wait, I feel like I did.

[2236] It was on the financial crisis, fastening documentary.

[2237] Oh, no. No, really good stuff.

[2238] Let me pull it up.

[2239] Yeah, you want to watch it.

[2240] But one of the interesting things about it was how they highlighted how these people that made economic policy, these professors, they recommended these positions that, you know, we apply to our economy.

[2241] Then they would go on and get these huge jobs afterwards and make fucking millions of dollars.

[2242] interesting coincidence oh it's so gross it's one of the grossest things ever it's a really good documentary it's from 2010 uh and uh it's by a guy named charles ferguson and what's interesting is this uh charles ferguson guy is i believe he's the guy that's doing all of all of the uh the questions i'm shouldn't say that because i'm not really sure but whoever the guy is that's the narrator you don't see him always questioning people boy he's questioning people he's so knowledgeable about how the system actually works that he catches these these like mathematicians and these economics experts being really arrogant and then he faces them with the truth and you see them scramble and start to sweat and I should have never agreed to this interview like you see them realize you do what you're going to do with this and you see them like fall apart and panic and they fall into this like really sort of aggressive state it's quite fascinating it's really good and it just shows you like that it's it's a mess redid it up fix it vote up vote down we're solving problems man I think we are dude we're solving problems.

[2243] I feel good about it I feel good about this conversation I think we should end here before it gets bad as long as as long as we just remember there's going to be a mascot right we're going to keep the reddit alien going I like that that's a great mascot it's cute sweet doesn't look mean have you ever thought about I mean this is probably what happened to dig in a couple other similar sites uh just re designing the whole thing as there been as there been so much do we want to fuck everything no i mean but what if it was just an option almost like like you can go in your settings and go oh new i'll take the modern no i mean if you ever thought about it we've definitely thought about modernizing it um part of it's just inertia like you're you're dealing with growth all the time you're doing with all this other stuff it's like oh do we want to rethink how the front page looks i there have been small improvements we just added trending subredits which are pretty damn cool to try to help people realize that there are these thousands of different communities they should dive into.

[2244] But I wouldn't expect any big changes.

[2245] I mean, for the reasons we were just joking about.

[2246] Yeah, there's no need.

[2247] I mean, it's a content distribution network.

[2248] I mean, you're essentially, you're allowing people to like really cleanly, easily find something they're interested in in a text form and then go there.

[2249] It's the best way.

[2250] Make it like, keep it light.

[2251] And I mean, look, it's not like there was some minimal vision.

[2252] Like, when we graduated from college, Steve and I just sucked at HTML and CSS.

[2253] Like, this was the first real web app we'd ever made.

[2254] We'd made websites, but never, like, a fully featured web app.

[2255] And we just weren't very good.

[2256] So, like, Verdana.

[2257] That's actually cool.

[2258] That was my fault.

[2259] That was actually fun.

[2260] It was like, oh, this would be a great font for us to use.

[2261] Did you originally buy the domain?

[2262] Were you the first one?

[2263] Yes, sir.

[2264] What was it originally purchased for?

[2265] Oh, it was, it was unused.

[2266] 999 on Dreamhouse.

[2267] Oh, I was in the library, UVA, Alderman, library, Wah -Hu -Wah.

[2268] And I was trying to come up with something that involved the word read.

[2269] And I read it.

[2270] Like, I read it on Reddit.

[2271] And then I tried different ways to spell on it.

[2272] And R -E -D -D -I -T worked because no one had it.

[2273] And I also registered R -E -D -I -T -T.

[2274] But then I asked my friend Melissa, I was like, which one of these makes more sense for a bastardization of Reddit?

[2275] And she was like, I'll go with the 2Ds, idiot.

[2276] That's great, man. Well, listen, it's, it's, what you guys did was nothing short of a cultural revolution i think in my opinion i think it's it's one of the key components today online as far as like the uh like an asset to distribute information to to spread cool shit and to let people you know have like intelligent discussions about it in a really rational way of filtering out the fuckheads you know it's pretty genius stuff man well uh thank god you're here.

[2277] I am happy we could do it, because I'll tell you, man, it, it was just, we were just trying to live like college students for as long as we could.

[2278] Your book is, without their permission, is it available in audio?

[2279] Did you do an audible version of it?

[2280] Did you?

[2281] Did you get to talk?

[2282] It was great.

[2283] Yeah, actually, yeah, they did.

[2284] Oh, they encouraged me. Oh, that's so good.

[2285] It was for the bane impression.

[2286] Once they knew I could do a bane impression.

[2287] What's your bane impression?

[2288] I mean, I, I mean, I, it doesn't matter what you think of my bane impression.

[2289] no I know impression humor is like the lowest form of humor I don't believe in that man I think you got an impression it's hilarious it's fucking hilarious the people are so pretentious when it comes to that we had a laugh track nope we already had a laugh track he was laughing that's the laugh track okay so without their permission and audible .com do you have an audio version a real version Amazon sell it everywhere ebook ebook dead trees everything and How would your grandfather say it?

[2290] O 'Hanian.

[2291] Alexis, O 'Hanian, and props for keeping the name of Alexis.

[2292] Good for you, man. Fuck the haters.

[2293] Hell yeah.

[2294] Let them rot.

[2295] All right, ladies and gentlemen, that's it.

[2296] That's a wrap.

[2297] Anything else tell people?

[2298] No, thank you for having me, man. Thanks for being on it.

[2299] It's been an honor.

[2300] Reddit .com, R -E -D -D -I -T.

[2301] Go get on it, bitches.

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[2306] Brian Redband, where you're at?

[2307] Next week, we'll be going on the road with Desquodd with Tony Henscliffe and Tiffany Haddish.

[2308] We're going to be in Portland, Oregon, April 18th, at the Funhouse, April 19th, Seattle, at the High Line, and April 20th, 420 show at the Edgewater Casino.

[2309] And also, if you go back, you can listen to Point List Number 4.

[2310] We actually had you on on a Death Squad show back in the day.

[2311] Boom.

[2312] Shalak, lock, boom.

[2313] All right.

[2314] We'll be, this Friday night, we'll be at the Ice House tonight.

[2315] Yeah, tonight.

[2316] That's tonight.

[2317] A couple tickets left.

[2318] Who else is there with us?

[2319] We got Tony Hinchcliffe, Christina Pichitsky, Jesus Christ, my show.

[2320] Justin Martindale.

[2321] What a show!

[2322] Nick Yusuf.

[2323] What a show!

[2324] Dave Taylor.

[2325] Oh, what a show!

[2326] And there's only 80 people in the room.

[2327] It's a fucking amazing little venue at the Ice House.

[2328] The oldest comedy club in the country, ladies and gentlemen.

[2329] It's been a comedy club since the 1960s, like I believe 1960s.

[2330] you won or something like that.

[2331] Anyway, we'll be there.

[2332] Don't get too weird with us, though.

[2333] Thanks to everybody else, and a lot of fucking good shit coming up.

[2334] Next week, I got Amy Schumer's coming in again.

[2335] I got a lot of stuff happening.

[2336] You also got the new Twitter profile, and I'm so jealous to you.

[2337] Why is it hard to yet?

[2338] Huh?

[2339] Yeah, it's only been slowly released to a few people.

[2340] Oh, well, did I get lucky?

[2341] Yeah.

[2342] Look at that.

[2343] It's like Facebook now.

[2344] Wait a minute.

[2345] Maybe somebody loves me. Brian, might not be lucky.

[2346] Maybe somebody loves me. Why you got to hate?

[2347] All right.

[2348] We love you guys, even if you get a whack -ass Twitter profile.

[2349] Nothing but love for you.

[2350] Big kisses and hugs all around.

[2351] All right, we'll see you guys next week.

[2352] Take care.

[2353] Big kiss.

[2354] Bye.

[2355] Bye.