JRE MMA Show #40 with Eddie Bravo

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[3] You would just tell me how your son is getting into Bruce Lee.

[4] Because we're looking at this shout out to, how do you pronounce his name correctly?

[5] Bruce Lee.

[6] No, Plasticell.

[7] The Plasticell, dude.

[8] I don't know which of the two actually made it, but yeah, Plastasel, I believe, is the name.

[9] Yeah, but, I mean, how do you pronounce the artist's name?

[10] I think it was Fong.

[11] Fong, yeah.

[12] Shout out to phone This thing is the shit His art is amazing These little plastic cell things Look at this Rory McDonald How great is that The whole lineup's amazing I mean those are Biggie sunglasses come off Nothing but legends But yeah You know I wanted How old is your son now?

[13] He's six now And You hear these stories Constantly about people Remembering The first time they saw a Bruce Lee movie It's so epic I'll never forget My dad took me to the theater, blew my mind.

[14] Everyone's got a story.

[15] Joey's got his first time he saw Bruce Lee.

[16] So I wanted to make sure I didn't do that too early because then he would forget, you know, because he forget special -ass moments we had together from like three years ago.

[17] I'm like, you don't remember that?

[18] You know, it's so.

[19] Because he's only five, right?

[20] He's six.

[21] He's six.

[22] Imagine how quick your brain is growing in that amount of years.

[23] He forgot a lot of shit, you know.

[24] But anyways.

[25] So I thought maybe I'm going to hit him with the, I'm going to, sit him down and, and put on Enter the Dragon and blow his fucking mind, but I don't want to do a tour.

[26] Like, when do I do it?

[27] I'm like thinking maybe I could even wait until he's 10 or 8 or whatever, you know, but he's been doing karate since he was three.

[28] So about three years now he's been doing karate and he took a Nunchuk workshop class of that.

[29] So he's got his little, you know, those padded nunchucks.

[30] He fucking loves those things, man. And I thought, shit, he's getting into the Nunchukes.

[31] It might be a time to drop Bruce Leon.

[32] on his ass right now.

[33] You know what I mean?

[34] I don't want him to get twisted.

[35] You know what I mean?

[36] Because he starts talking about Jackie Chan and shit like that.

[37] And I'm like, oh, I got it.

[38] Has he seen anybody do it on video or only learn it from a class?

[39] This is what happened.

[40] So he's all into Nunchucks.

[41] He's beating me up with them all the time.

[42] He loves Nunchucks.

[43] And I said, oh, then I wore one of those Roots of Fights shirts.

[44] And it was Bruce Lee with Nunchucks, right?

[45] And he looked at my shirt and he said, Daddy, who's the guy with the Nunchooks?

[46] And I thought, okay, it's time.

[47] It's time.

[48] Son, sit down.

[49] So, you know, kids are so easily brainwashed.

[50] I can get my kid into Satanism.

[51] You ever seen this little kid?

[52] Yeah, yeah, he's amazing.

[53] He's amazing.

[54] He's got the Bruce Lee outfit on and everything, the jumpsuit.

[55] This kid's a piece.

[56] He's amazing.

[57] And he's got the game of death sequence down.

[58] It says the video is my son, in parentheses, five -year -old.

[59] acting Bruce Lee's Nunchukkah scene.

[60] Yeah, he reenacts the whole thing.

[61] Note for note.

[62] I think he was on, like, America's Got Talent or some shit, too.

[63] So I sat him down and I explained to him.

[64] I go, the master of the Nunchukes, the number one guy.

[65] You know, because like I was saying earlier, you could get kids to believe in anything.

[66] You could brain.

[67] I could get my son into Satan easily.

[68] He'd be all about Lucifer.

[69] Boom.

[70] I got him into the Browns quick.

[71] Yeah, little kids, you know.

[72] Very malleable.

[73] Yeah, totally.

[74] He's so into the Dodgers because his grandpa is into the Dodgers.

[75] So he's all about the Dodgers.

[76] And I got him into the Browns.

[77] He's all into the Browns now, too, because I can get him into anything.

[78] So I sat him down and I say, you are about, I'm going to sit you down, and I'm going to show you the master of the nunchucks, and it's Bruce Lee.

[79] He's number one.

[80] Yeah.

[81] He's the greatest martial artist of all.

[82] time.

[83] I broke him and I sat him down and I put him in front of the TV.

[84] Dude, you should have filmed this.

[85] I did.

[86] You filmed the whole thing?

[87] You filmed you saying it to him?

[88] No, I didn't film that, but I filmed his reaction.

[89] I filmed him watching Bruce Lee.

[90] First, I showed him the greatest nun -chook scenes of all time with Bruce Lee.

[91] You can go to YouTube and you can get, there's compilations.

[92] They put together the one from the stuff in End of the Dragon, the stuff in Chinese Connection, way of the dragon or return of the dragon.

[93] And so I sat him down and said him, I'm going to blitz him with this shit.

[94] I'm going to make sure that whenever he thinks about fucking Nunchukes, he knows that Bruce Lee's the master, right?

[95] So he's just completely blown away then.

[96] After I showed him all the Nunchukes scenes, I sat him down and I wanted to show him the greatest fight scene of all time, Bruce Lee versus Chuck fucking Norris.

[97] Come on, man. So I just wanted to leave that just in his DNA.

[98] And I filmed that.

[99] I filmed him watching Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee, and he always wants to know.

[100] He loves Bruce Lee instantly.

[101] And he needs to know who wins the fight.

[102] So it's like, Daddy, does Bruce Lee win?

[103] I go, he always wins, son.

[104] He always wins.

[105] And but my natural reaction, because he's constantly asking questions, he's constantly, does he win?

[106] My natural reaction would be just watch, watch, watch.

[107] You got to watch this.

[108] Because it's going to be sweeter if you watch it.

[109] And you go through the ups and downs.

[110] And he goes, no, Daddy, you need to tell him.

[111] me now and I go no you're gonna like it more if you just watch it you got no daddy does bruce lee win he wants to fucking no yeah man you don't want to be disappointed yeah so he got six years old yeah he got completely blown away so a week later a week later i go today you're gonna watch the greatest martial arts movie of all time enter the dragon because it's bruce lee dad isn't it i go yes it's bruce le so he sat him down we put on and he I can't stop asking fucking questions about every god.

[112] Okay, Daddy, who are the good guys?

[113] And who are the bad guys?

[114] Is he a bad guy or is he a good guy?

[115] So we got it down.

[116] The three main good guys, you know, Bruce Lee is the main good guy.

[117] Williams, I was, God damn it, his name escapes me. The black famous martial artist.

[118] Jim Kelly, Jim Kelly.

[119] Wow, I forgot about Jim Kelly.

[120] Jim Kelly's awesome.

[121] And he did die in the movie, which, I mean, they were doing that shit about.

[122] back then, you know what I mean?

[123] They're killing good guys.

[124] And then Roper, John Saxon, he was the third good guy.

[125] It was Roper, Williams, and Bruce Lee.

[126] And they were all, they were the good guys.

[127] And the bad guys, do you remember the bad guy's names?

[128] No. Han was the dude on the top left.

[129] He's the guy with the claws.

[130] Former Shaolin Monk who went bad and started selling heroin on his island and, and, and, and, uh, prostitution rings and all that shit.

[131] Dude, I completely forgot the plot of this movie.

[132] Are you kidding me?

[133] It's the greatest fucking plot ever.

[134] I remember watching it, but it was, you know, I didn't take it seriously.

[135] I always thought it was fun.

[136] I always looked at it and not like, holy shit, we're going to see this wild action movie.

[137] I always thought of it as, because by the time I watched it, it was kind of campy.

[138] I mean, I'm sure I watched it when I was a little kid, but I don't remember it too much.

[139] Yeah, you got to go back and watch the whole thing because everyone, you know, that's most people's common reaction.

[140] Like, you just remember, you remember the scene with Han with the razor hands.

[141] That's all I remember.

[142] He had a razor hand.

[143] He had a claw hand.

[144] You remember Bolo Young and they're fighting outside in the tournament?

[145] You know, you remember all that shit.

[146] You remember Williams getting killed.

[147] They hung him.

[148] You remember Williams fighting Han.

[149] There's certain scenes everyone will remember.

[150] And you forget about the little scenes in the plot.

[151] So I sit down my son.

[152] I sit down my son and we're watching this.

[153] And his mom's like, it's appropriate for a six -year -old, right?

[154] It's not going to get too crazy.

[155] I go, it's fine.

[156] It's just a bunch of karate.

[157] It's fine.

[158] So she's all like, hmm.

[159] So we're sitting there, and he can't stop asking goddamn questions.

[160] He can't stop asking goddamn questions.

[161] The bad guys are Hans the main guy.

[162] O 'Hara, Bob Wall, remember him?

[163] Everybody remembers he had the scar on his face.

[164] And everyone remembers that he was, him and his gang were chasing Bruce Lee's sister in the movie, and they cornered her.

[165] and she had to kill herself.

[166] She just killed herself before they could, like, rape her or whatever.

[167] People remember that.

[168] That's another classic scene.

[169] But you don't remember, you don't think about all the shit in between, man. Because the plot, the plot of the story is Han lives on an island, and he has, he does a lot of illegal shit.

[170] He runs heroin and prostitution through his island, right?

[171] And he has a tournament, like, once a year, and he invites all the greatest martial artist on earth and he tries to recruit them he sits them all down and he shows him his like underground operation going on you know what I mean so he tried to talk Roper into it he tried to talk Williams into it that's right and Roper almost went for it because he was a kind of he was a good guy but he was like a gambler you know what I mean he's kind of shady but at the end he's like fuck this I ain't gonna do this shit so that's what he doesn't and he called him Bruce Lee too and he was going to try to recruit Bruce Lee but the CIA got a hold of Bruce Lee first yes seriously so they get a hold of Bruce Lee and they sit them down in a dark room and they're playing a projector and they're showing they want Bruce Lee to go in there undercover to uncover all the karate fights the crime and all the stuff that was going on what else are they doing selling drugs Yes, drugs and prostitution and doing mind control on, so I'm sitting there watching it.

[172] He wants to know who the bad guys are.

[173] Bolo's a bad guy.

[174] O 'Hara, who's Bob Wall's a bad guy, and then Han's the main bad guy.

[175] So he's constantly asking questions, and then boom, you forget about the scenes where Han would, has like a madam, and he's got all these hookers.

[176] There's a hooker scene.

[177] You forget about the hooker scene.

[178] They send like five girls to Williams, who's a good guy, and roper.

[179] to try to corrupt them, you know what I mean?

[180] And boom, as soon it, they're all in their gowns and in robes and in robes and I grabbed the remote and just start hitting fast forward and my son's like, wait, what's going on here?

[181] What's going on here, Dad?

[182] Why are you fast forward?

[183] I'm got nothing's going on.

[184] What are they doing?

[185] They're getting ready to go to sleep.

[186] Just forget about that scene.

[187] Boom.

[188] You forget that there's a, is this the same?

[189] Yeah.

[190] There it is right there.

[191] And there's tities and everything.

[192] but um yeah he got he was blown away and a mission accomplished he's he's bruce lee's number one in uh to him and but i made a mistake next week i made him sit down and watch return of the dragon which the end scene was a great scene with chuck norse and the old rome colise but the whole movie before that is so bad it's so bad and so bad and And Bruce Lee, he directed it and wrote it.

[193] And it was, it's atrocious.

[194] It's, it's so bad.

[195] Except for the, Chuck.

[196] Yeah, except for the end.

[197] But it's like high school kids put together that movie.

[198] Damn.

[199] It's terrible.

[200] I gotta have to go back and watch it.

[201] Terrible.

[202] You know what we should do?

[203] We should do a fight companion.

[204] And watch End of the Dragon.

[205] That would be fucking great, dude.

[206] Are you kidding?

[207] Come on, man. A fight companion and watch End of the Dragon.

[208] So it takes place in Italy.

[209] One of his, I think his uncle or just somebody knows has a Chinese restaurant in Italy.

[210] And the Italian mob, these guys, these are the goons, they're trying to run them out of business and control their business or pay them off to take the building or something.

[211] And they're resisting in Italy.

[212] So they send Bruce Lee from Hong Kong to have.

[213] handle the mob in Italy.

[214] This looks so corny.

[215] It's fucking bad, dude.

[216] So what do you think happened?

[217] Do you think Bruce Lee was just partying too much, doing a little blow, having a good time out in the town, beat a big Hollywood star, puts together this movie, and you just got a little crazy with it?

[218] You know what?

[219] This is before he blew up, though.

[220] This is because he did this movie.

[221] He did Big Boss, Chinese Connection, and this one was his third one.

[222] And then after this is when Warner Brothers came in and signed him.

[223] That's when they did Enter the Dragon.

[224] That was his last one.

[225] End of the Dragon was, had a budget.

[226] This isn't really any budget.

[227] This is like just cheap Chinese production, you know.

[228] It's crazy when you think that there was really no one like him before him.

[229] Look at there's Chuck Norris waiting for him.

[230] Look at that.

[231] He gives him the thumbs down.

[232] You know, when you think about, there was no kind of movies like this before this.

[233] This fight scene, greatest fight scene, worst movie.

[234] How about the grab of the chest hair, pulls a chunk of it out?

[235] Look at that.

[236] Oh, shit, I got your chest hair, bitch.

[237] I mean, it's funny watching it with no volume, too, because it's so corny.

[238] It looks so fake.

[239] And it's all overdubbed, and it's God -awful.

[240] But, dude, his martial arts technique, especially when you think about the fact that this was, what, 1974?

[241] That was, like, 71.

[242] 71?

[243] It was probably released in 76, but he died in 73.

[244] He had incredible technique, like really good technique.

[245] Like, his kicking technique, especially.

[246] for back then I think because of the YouTube and shit there's there's so many guys out there that they're doing like these jump spinning 360 wheel kicks there was some guy that Winkle John Jackson had on his the Instagram page and it's a Korean gentleman doing some fucking ridiculous shit just like jumping 360 degree wheel kicks and like a series of them cartwheels flying through the air and doing all these things like none of this was ever in the movies before you know until like when like maybe jet lee i guess no on bach right because they're there are next level in terms of like athleticism i mean there's that crouching tiger head and dragon right i mean that's all like mystical yeah that's mystical this guy's actually doing this this is just a video of him he starts out normal throws like a bunch of front kicks throws a bunch of side kicks and then he starts doing Jumping wheel kicks 360 wheel kicks Tornado kicks He's just fucking flying through the air And flipping through the air Aerial cartwheel kicks You're like whoa People can do shit now And they do stuff in like In martial arts films The techniques just way better They're just way better They just got better at it Can you put that fight scene back up With Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris See if you can find that video first Why you're looking for Just what we're talking about the one The one thing about Bruce Lee With all the pads and he flies up No no no no It's just a guy throwing kicks in the air.

[247] He's just throwing kicks in the air.

[248] It's on the Jackson Wink.

[249] Yeah, it's Jackson Winklejohn Instagram page.

[250] Oh, this guy's doing it in an MMA?

[251] No, no, he's doing it in the air.

[252] Just doing it in the air.

[253] Which of their pages should I...

[254] Is he planning to use it in M .M .A.?

[255] The top one, Jackson Wink, M .M .A. That one.

[256] Check that one out.

[257] There's a Korean dude if you keep going down.

[258] I don't know if he's planning on using it in MMA.

[259] Where fuck is it?

[260] God damn it.

[261] I didn't see anything.

[262] Hmm.

[263] Maybe they were commenting on it.

[264] Fuck.

[265] Somebody had it up.

[266] Sorry.

[267] But with Bruce Lee fight scenes, what I like about him is you could see him, although, you know, him beating up 50 guys at a time.

[268] You know, how real can that be?

[269] But he does, on one -on -one fights, he does a lot of fain team, he'll do boxing stuff, he'll do wrestling, he'll do jujitsu.

[270] You see him mix it up.

[271] and he's trying to make it a lot more realistic.

[272] Like, you know, then you have your classic Kung Fu Theater type movies where they're just like, that shit is just gets old.

[273] Those movies are so crazy.

[274] Bruce Lee will dance around.

[275] He'll throw a jab, fate, kick you in the leg, fake low, go high, and knock you out.

[276] He does that against Chuck Norris in Way of the Dragon.

[277] And if you go back to 1970, like that kind of martial arts.

[278] technique and he was he was amazing he was also the first guy that figured out how to put a bunch of martial arts together and just forget about i'm judo your karate and forget about that just just just use everything that works everything from everywhere yeah that was heresy back then i mean he might have been um he may have been the first guy to do that really i mean one up for sure one up for sure yeah he's without a doubt like i think there's two, arguably two the most important figures ever in martial arts.

[279] I think he might be number one, and the other one is Aalio Gracie.

[280] You really think about it?

[281] It's one guy, tries to figure out how to beat men who are bigger than him, has a bunch of kids.

[282] They all turn out to be fucking savage killers.

[283] I mean, what are the odds?

[284] That's the craziest family of all time.

[285] Craziest family of all time.

[286] And if you think about the impact, but in a good way, crazy in the best way, With a hundred percent respect.

[287] I mean, Hicksen, Hoyt, Hoyler, Hellson, you know, what the fuck?

[288] And there was different sides.

[289] And even the Gracie's had, you know, conflict within each other.

[290] It's crazy.

[291] All assassins.

[292] Yeah.

[293] A family of super assassins.

[294] And then Hoyce, who's another, I mean, it's almost like, Hoyce, although it came from Aalio, he's almost as important.

[295] if he doesn't win that first ultimate fighting championship we don't get the same impact he has to win imagine if he would have lost the first fight what if he got head kicked you know what if he got in there with some guy who's done this before and he gets head kicked Patrick Smith could have fucked him up fuck yeah he could have fucked him up that could have been if the lineups were different that could happen the hoist Gracie movie and it ends after UFC it ends Patrick Smith that's the perfect ending right there did he fought Patrick Smith didn't hoist yeah he choked him out he choked him or he was it the second time they were in the UFC together no was the first one yeah no it was UFC too hoist was on one side of the bracket Pat Smith was on the other side you know black you know killer Muay guy fucking like what he did to Scott Morris the ninja guy yeah oh dude man that's a movie that's a movie right there yeah UFC 2 is a guy God damn movie.

[296] Well, Patrick Smith was a real, legit, top -level kickboxer.

[297] Like, he was a real dangerous kickboxer.

[298] You watch his striking.

[299] I mean, that guy was explosive, super powerful and ruthless, man. What he got on top of that dude was elbowing him into oblivion?

[300] That shit was ruthless.

[301] Back when they didn't know exactly when to stop a fight.

[302] They weren't sure.

[303] Big John was like, the guy's still alive.

[304] Yeah.

[305] Yeah, but the point is that Hoyst did win.

[306] He didn't get kicked.

[307] He took the guys down, choked him all out, and all of us were like, what?

[308] And then it's almost, if you go to martial arts, you look at, like, the whole history of martial arts, and then you hit 1993, and it goes like this.

[309] Yeah.

[310] It's like, it would be the craziest rise in the Stark market you could ever see.

[311] You'd have to investigate.

[312] You have to be like, what the fuck happened here?

[313] Such an explosion.

[314] It was UFC, too.

[315] UFC one, no one really watched.

[316] They didn't have any B -roll.

[317] I remember seeing a preview for it, and I would watch all boxing events.

[318] No matter what the boxing fanatic I didn't miss any of those big fights ever even the small Tuesday night fights I I recorded that on my VCR always taped boxing events never missed them But I didn't I didn't watch that ago you know what I thought it looks like it might be fake I thought it may be like a fight zone remember fight zone A little WWE but try to make it look you know more martial arts oriented But so I didn't watch it and then you end up you know, you end up hearing, shit, that was real.

[319] And I'll never forget, my roommate came home from a guitar center.

[320] And he said, man, that UFC thing, that UFC challenge, that shit's for real, man. I go, really?

[321] And I was doing karate at the time?

[322] And I go, was there a karate guy in there?

[323] He goes, yeah, but he got beat by some, I think he was Iranian, man. He was just choking everybody out.

[324] He would just, I go, he was choking everybody out.

[325] He would just grab their throat and goes, dude, yeah.

[326] He would just grab the fucking throat, some Iranian guy.

[327] and he would choke, he choked everybody out.

[328] That's what the guy told me in Guitar Center.

[329] I'm like, holy shit, karate too.

[330] I'm like, fuck, maybe I'm doing the wrong style.

[331] And then the UFC, UFC two came out, and I remember I told my same roommate, he was staying home, it was on the weekend, and I was going out on the town, and I remember calling him, say, hey, dude, that UFC, that UFC challenge thing is on tape it, because he was going to stay home with his girlfriend.

[332] He taped it.

[333] I got home, watched that motherfucker on tape.

[334] I couldn't stand hoist Gracie that first half of the show.

[335] I just wanted him to lose so bad.

[336] When he fought Minoki Ichihara, he was a karate guy.

[337] To me, that was my hero.

[338] I mean, I was doing karate for six months, man. You know what I mean?

[339] That was all about karate.

[340] I didn't want hoist to beat him, but by the time we got to the finals, I was a gigantic hoist fan.

[341] I go, you know what?

[342] I got to learn this jiu -jitsu, and I just quit karate and found the Machadoes in the Valley.

[343] It is really crazy when you think about what would have happened if that didn't take place.

[344] Like what would it happen if Horian never put together the first ultimate fighter, right?

[345] It was partly his idea in Art Davies.

[346] Yeah.

[347] What would it happen if that didn't happen?

[348] Where would martial arts be?

[349] Would it be inevitable?

[350] Would somebody figure it out?

[351] Would Japan have figured it out?

[352] We would have figured it out eventually because...

[353] Maybe.

[354] Yeah, because the Jiu -Jitsu would eventually grew out of Brazil.

[355] There's no way you could have stopped.

[356] But the way it grew.

[357] Yeah, that was a huge explosion, but it would have got out eventually.

[358] But maybe, I mean, for sure, not with the same impact.

[359] Yeah, but see, like, forever wrestlers were, like, when you think about MMA, right now, wrestling is a giant scale, right?

[360] A Mark Coleman -type wrestler, a big, powerful wrestler who could take you down and beat you up from the top, that's giant.

[361] That was always the case, but we didn't think of that.

[362] Like when you thought of like boxing versus wrestling Or karate versus wrestling Nobody thought like wrestlers have a giant advantage Nobody thought that You would think all the karate guy Probably fuck him up Like catch him with a karate chop Knee him on the way in or something like that I wrestled I never thought wrestling was a martial art at all To me it was one -on -one football Right I'd never looked at it But and I would use it to cheat in fights Because I'd get in a fight in high school I would just I would double leg him dude And just fucking get side Twist her side control And punch him in the stomach Yeah, but I, you know, I figured I was cheating, but I didn't care.

[363] It's, I mean, it is not a martial art in that it has finishing holds of its own, because most of it is just taking people down and holding them down and getting back up.

[364] But if you can master that, that is like one of the most important aspects of martial arts.

[365] I mean, and we never thought about it that way.

[366] It took forever.

[367] It's almost like it took the UFC to show that.

[368] Yeah.

[369] Took the UFC to show that over and over again.

[370] And I really worry, or wonder, rather, what would have happened if the UFC in 93 had never been invented?

[371] Because if there was never any kind of a tournament like that that threw all these fighters together in a real organized way, and you got real top -level guys from each discipline, eventually making their way into the UFC.

[372] What the fuck, man?

[373] A martial arts would be still back in the 1980s.

[374] Yeah, yeah.

[375] We'd have some idea what worked and some idea would, you know, don't try this, but not like we know now.

[376] In Japan, they were doing pancreas.

[377] Right.

[378] They were doing, like, Shudow.

[379] What year did they start doing pancreas?

[380] I think they were doing it, you know, early 90s.

[381] So, like, the boss rooting, Frank Shamrock, Ken Shamrock days.

[382] Matt Hume was in it back then.

[383] What years were those?

[384] Yeah.

[385] That's hard.

[386] When was Pankrace one first aired?

[387] Founded in 93.

[388] Found it in, what month does it say?

[389] 93.

[390] Damn, because that was the first UFC.

[391] too.

[392] November of 93 was the first UFC.

[393] So it all basically happened around the same time.

[394] So maybe I mean is it possible that in November of 93 they see the UFC and then immediately pancreas starts like a few weeks later and it's still 93?

[395] It was established on May 16th, 1993 and their first event was promoted on September 21st.

[396] So that was before.

[397] And then September and what was the UFC in 93?

[398] November.

[399] November.

[400] Crazy.

[401] Interesting.

[402] So right before the UFC.

[403] So neither one of them had been on air when they both started or they were both putting it together.

[404] It was at the same time.

[405] Maybe like the idea was in the air.

[406] Maybe it was in the air, bro.

[407] Do you believe in that?

[408] The idea's just out there in the air?

[409] That is pretty crazy.

[410] But the fighters and pancreas, they didn't have the jiu -jitsu that the Brazilians had.

[411] No. There was a big difference.

[412] There's a lot of leg locks going on back then.

[413] Remember?

[414] Yeah.

[415] Is that Ken Shamrock's influence?

[416] Or was that, there was a lot of Japan, like catch wrestling influence, right?

[417] Like from Carl Gotch and...

[418] Yeah, Japan's always been into the leg locks.

[419] Billy Robinson.

[420] Yeah.

[421] They've always been like the Sakaraba style.

[422] That's very catch -oriented, right?

[423] Yes.

[424] Yes.

[425] Yeah, for those who don't know what we're talking about, catch as catch can.

[426] But make no mistake about it.

[427] The ground fighting was just on another level.

[428] You could say whatever the hell you want.

[429] But when you watch Alan Goes fighting pancreas against.

[430] Frank Shamrock, man, you see the difference in Jiu -Jitsu back then.

[431] That was a big, big difference.

[432] Alan Goz was all over Frank Shamrock.

[433] Frank Shamrock's a bad motherfucker.

[434] You know what I mean?

[435] You know, he'd only been training for a couple of years, which is crazy.

[436] He was fighting against guys like Boss Routen when he had been training for like a couple of years.

[437] Yeah, yeah.

[438] I remember how jacked they were?

[439] Like, Jesus.

[440] Any time a Brazilian would go against your average pancreas.

[441] Yeah.

[442] Anytime a Brazilian would go against your average pancreas.

[443] guy there's a clear difference in the ground fighting clear difference and uh they had three pancreas events before that first ufc really wow kent shamrock was in all four events what was that and what would you say in all was the shamrock was in all of them interesting yeah so look at that bam it says that that the pancreas thing came out of a wrestling organization in japan where they had like they were having problems with predetermined outcomes So they started to have actual fights.

[444] Funaki.

[445] Interesting.

[446] And then you look at Hickson versus Funaki.

[447] Ooh, Coliseum.

[448] Big fucking difference in grappling.

[449] Oh, you know what I mean?

[450] Big difference.

[451] That's as big as it gets.

[452] Yeah.

[453] So you could see that.

[454] So what the UFC did that pancreas didn't do, and mainly because nobody in the Western hemisphere even knew what the fuck it was.

[455] it was a Japanese thing, so it's going to be hard to change the world when you're only televised in Japan.

[456] And back then, you know, you had to get like someone, someone had to mail you a VHS tape.

[457] You know what I mean?

[458] You had to go to weird Japanese stores and see that.

[459] So, but the UFC made it clear that the Brazilians were doing a form of ground fighting that was beyond and more sophisticated than what we were seeing in Japan.

[460] or anywhere else in the world.

[461] Nobody knew half the shit they were doing it.

[462] Sambo had it down.

[463] Sambo had some good shit.

[464] And judo, yes.

[465] Judo, most, if not all, Brazilian Jiu -Jitsu moves, I mean, have been done in judo.

[466] And actually, they came from judo.

[467] We know that.

[468] The Japanese know that.

[469] But a lot of American judo guys don't, they can't seem to grasp that.

[470] Because they're like, you know, Gracie's ripped off Nuwaza.

[471] It's all about Nuazzo.

[472] There was a sect of judo where they did focus on the ground.

[473] But, and that's all true, but the major difference is the Brazilians, they wanted to do a style where there wasn't a time limit on the ground.

[474] In judo, you could only fight on the ground for, I don't know, 30 seconds.

[475] It's limited.

[476] It's not that much time.

[477] So when you don't have that much time, there's a lot of shit.

[478] you don't need to waste your time drilling because you're only going to be down there for 30 seconds you need to focus on the moves that work in 30 seconds and that's it you don't have time to set shit up and be patient and relax you can't clinch and catch your breath you got it's got to you got to go into it so what the Brazilians did is just allowed the fight to unfold on the ground and not have any stand -ups and just let them fight on the ground and when that happens there's a lot there's so much more you can do when there's no time limit on the ground.

[479] Not like no time, I mean, you know, they're not going to, without stand -ups where you could just, most of the match takes place on the ground.

[480] The game just evolves so quickly and so rapidly and that you can compare, like, Japanese guys come down to Brazil and they've been doing judo their whole life and they get smoked by Brazilians.

[481] That always happens in the world championships.

[482] The Brazilians are just on the ground all day.

[483] you know and the guys that do judo they're on the ground a little bit they're never going to be able to compete in a sport where there's no stand -ups you know so to say that uh brazilian jiu -jitsu is just judo it's that's um you got to think about it you got to really break it down because it's yeah it's ridiculous it's silly there's so many silly connections that people have to arts you know i mean there's there's people that legitimately think that white people shouldn't be able to teach karate because it's cultural appropriation because it's a Japanese art. There's people that think that's stupid.

[484] I think all of it's martial arts now.

[485] I mean, I think the roots and the bases are very important to recognize that, you know, hey, you know, Brazil did do a crazy thing with Jiu -Jitsu.

[486] Hey, the ties did do a crazy thing with leg kicks and elbows, knees.

[487] There's really some people that have contributed to martial arts and it's really insane way.

[488] And the people that highlight those disciplines, like the elite of the elites like the boule cows and the sanchise and the marcello garcias and the jacques like all these people that highlight it in each art they're all like super super important but overall it all comes into one thing and that's that's martial arts i think martial arts it's really um at this point it's really i mean ultimately it's one thing now ultimately ultimately like when you think about uFC when you think about just Bruce Lee movies.

[489] What is it?

[490] What's the best way to fight?

[491] It's all together now.

[492] It's all combined because the best way is not just wrestling.

[493] It's wrestling with ferocious striking.

[494] It's wrestling with leg kick defense.

[495] It's wrestling with submission holds.

[496] It's all these different things.

[497] You have to have all these things.

[498] You can't just be one thing anymore.

[499] It's interesting to be from one discipline.

[500] But it's like what if a kid is coming up right now and he's like your son's age and he starts to martial arts techniques.

[501] I think by the time he gets to be our age, it's just going to be martial arts.

[502] People are just going to be taking martial arts.

[503] I don't think there's going to be as many specialists in the future.

[504] And I think that's probably a shame.

[505] But who's going to want from a guy who did Taekwondo's whole life, who's going to want to do that now?

[506] Yeah, but when you're talking about Jiu -Jitsu, most people that do Jiu -Jitsu are not doing it or they don't stay in it for the long haul and make it a lifestyle for the self -defense aspects.

[507] Right.

[508] They don't.

[509] They go in there because they're playing a video game and they're staying in shape.

[510] Right.

[511] They're playing a game of death, virtual reality video game, trying to get taps, trying to have to tap that much.

[512] You know, so most of the guys and, you know, most of my students, they're just like, you know, super nice, sweetheart, computer geeks just the nicest guys they're not in there just a play yeah well there's a big difference between um we've talked about this before but the big difference between guys who trained together with juitsu versus guys who trained together with like kickboxing as the kickboxing people they fucking hurt each other all the time like bad like they're beating each other up they're kicking each other punching each other and shit jiu jitsu guys tap each other out and they're like oh i'm gonna get you back bitch yeah but it's okay everybody's okay you got me you got me that's the of it you we get to the the reason why jiu -jitsu is it's i mean opening up a jiu -jitsu school like in in in society today is like one of the safest bets out there right it gets so addicting you can't download jiu -jitsu you can't sparring rather you know you you can't you have to go to a place and you have to go to a place where there's a bunch of different and the more people there are the better the more variety of roles you can get because you don't have to just roll with the same guy all the time you want to mix it up mix your style with that guy's style go with the new guy who doesn't know your secret moves and you like going with new dudes where your setups work because the guys that you've been rolling with for a while they smell out all your setups and now you've got to come up with new setups and then you got to figure out a different way around this problem it's just um it's just too much fun man it's it's so addicting and it has nothing to do with not i wouldn't say nothing but uh you know you do enjoy um the um the self -defense aspects like if anything went down it you it makes you feel better in certain situations like you're not uh as worried about uh things as you might be if you didn't know if you didn't know martial arts you know the one thing that uh i'm going to start doing once i'm totally healed again is i'm going to start kickboxing yeah yeah because i just see too many instagram videos of dudes getting fucking lit up i'm like you know what it's a good idea once a week you know and i'm not going to make a big deal out of it maybe once a week tops once a week just to go in there and just you did you see that video i put up on instagram today no from draca it's like uh i think it's draca underscore junior is the the instagram account it's a crazy russian account and it's uh two -on -one russian fighting a giant dude and two like normal size guys yeah look at this give me some volume jaby this is this is crazy.

[513] Both these guys are like they're about 160 and the other guy looks like he's about 300 fucking pounds.

[514] Look at this.

[515] Look how he's ragdolling these dudes.

[516] Oh shit.

[517] Those knees.

[518] This guy's giant, man. He's so much bigger than these two dudes.

[519] Oh, look at this.

[520] He's a beast.

[521] Holy shit.

[522] He's got good cardio too for a giant fucking dude.

[523] This is the white Kimbo.

[524] Yeah.

[525] Look, he's good leg kick checking.

[526] He's got technique.

[527] He's not just a giant dude.

[528] They're not faking it, right?

[529] No, man. They're beating the fuck out of each other.

[530] Look, he's hitting this fucking guy hard.

[531] Oh!

[532] Wheel kick.

[533] This is crazy.

[534] I mean, this is not a smart thing for the little dudes.

[535] Because the problem is they don't have the horsepower.

[536] They're not going to be able to take them out.

[537] Too many videos on Instagram where dudes are getting lit up.

[538] You got to have the ability to knock somebody out if you had to.

[539] I mean, not do jiu -jitzy.

[540] There's many situations.

[541] where in a real life altercation, getting on the ground is not the best idea.

[542] And being able to light someone up or like three dudes, no way you're going to be three dudes with Jiu -Jitsu.

[543] You know, and it happens.

[544] You see it on videos.

[545] It's like a myth.

[546] It's like a mythical thing.

[547] You can't beat multiple attackers.

[548] Yes, you fucking can.

[549] Like, you could with your striking.

[550] If there was three dudes and they were starting shit, you're like, okay, I'm going to knock this motherfucker out first and then hopefully one dude will start running and then I'll fucking clean up the second guy, you know, or whatever.

[551] but to have your level of striking is important it's important you know it's important it's important if you think that someone might be hitting you like if you think someone this motherfucker looks like he's going to swing on me like i got a feeling like he's going to swing on me yeah and there's there's that that moment when you're in a heightened sense of danger if you don't understand space like that's a real big thing one of the things about sparring that's really important is that you know when you're safe and when you're not safe and you like a lot of people don't know they don't know when they can hit someone when someone can hit them yeah and if if someone thinks if you think someone's going to hit you and you can't get some space between them you have to be ready and you have to understand like you have to have someone have swung on you before so as you're seeing shit coming you got to be able to oh his back leg's going okay I see his weight dipping oh the right hands coming you know like there's a there's you have to know certain patterns otherwise you lock up that's It's the scariest thing you ever seen in a fight is dudes like, things start swinging and they just lock up because they don't know where it's coming from.

[552] They don't know what's happening.

[553] That's the most dangerous.

[554] It's almost more important for defense than it is for anything.

[555] Because half the time if you were ever in a fight with someone and they start just swinging at you, if you have good defense, you just stand there with your hands up and you wait.

[556] You just wait.

[557] Let him swing.

[558] Let him swing.

[559] Keep moving.

[560] You wait.

[561] You wait.

[562] How long are you going to be able to do this?

[563] What are you got, 30 seconds in you?

[564] Yeah.

[565] How long have you got?

[566] You just wait.

[567] He just wait.

[568] And then all of a sudden, you see a little of this.

[569] And you're like, oh, oh, now you're tired.

[570] You don't really know how to fight.

[571] You just wanted to hit me. Well, now we're going to fight.

[572] And now you're tired.

[573] Someone didn't do a sprints.

[574] Well, not just that.

[575] You don't know what to do.

[576] You lock up and you're like, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha.

[577] People think that they can do that to people.

[578] People that don't know how to fight blow their load.

[579] Yeah.

[580] They just blow their wad.

[581] If you ever, like, if a guy like Joe Schilling is in a street fight, That would be like the most terrifying thing in the world Like if you don't know and you fuck up He got in some crazy street fight after one of his kickboxing fights recently In some other country But a guy like that First of all he can fuck you up Before you can fuck him up But second of all If he decides to just take his time with you Well you're gonna get into this place of doom This place of doom where you're exhausted And you've been trying to hurt him So he has all everything within his right to crush you And you know that And now you're tired.

[582] But the one thing that you notice in all these fight videos and scuffles on Instagram is that a lot of times it just seems like you got you got time to throw a couple punches and you've got to get the fuck out.

[583] Especially, yeah, when it's multiple attackers, you got to figure out which dude you're going to hit first.

[584] There's going to be another one.

[585] And usually that third guy runs.

[586] It looks like he's like, oh, shit.

[587] shit he's out but if he stays down it's one on one now you just knock two dudes out now it's one on one and if you got joe shilling type skills boom that's where it all comes in right there but it's almost better to just have wrestling and boxing in a street fight you don't really want that's what bruce leeds was preaching after all the shit after everything he all the kung fu he grew up with he got to the states and he realized holy shit this wing chung isn't working on his tall white boys so he learned really quick like a fight in a street you close quarters i mean maybe you'd be able to throw a kick he said he said in he said in 1959 he said a dude has been wrestling and boxing for one year can beat a lifelong martial artist it's true yeah it's true in a lot of ways if the guy doesn't know takedown defense and the guy doesn't know how to actually box dude i remember when i first started doing first started learning boxing and kickboxing from all my years of doing taekwondo and i threw punches in taekwondo but i had a crazy distorted perception of my ability with my hands like i thought i'd be able i was like i know how to strike but i didn't know how to strike i just knew how to do taekwondo i was good at that and when i started kickboxing i was getting lit up especially when you're in a ring you can't go anywhere trapped in this ring does taekwondo have a reverse punch yeah it's got reverse punch got you know it's got all these it's got hand techniques, but when you fight in tournaments, everything is below the neck for punches.

[588] So everything is below here.

[589] It's just the body for punches.

[590] And you can kick to the head and you can't kick to the body and can't kick to the legs.

[591] So all it does is make you really good at kicking.

[592] That's what it really does.

[593] But the distance is all fucked up.

[594] And then I realized that, like once I started doing kickboxing, oh, my distance is so fucked up because when I think I'm safe, I still get punched in the face.

[595] and if they crowd me they get punched the face and I can't kick them like my distance is all messed up and then it's also way easier to punch me than I thought it was so I had to learn and in learning it was fucking super humbling man super humbling because I went from being someone who I considered myself like an elite striker like I was on a national level for Taekwondo I fought in a lot of national tournaments I fought like a bunch of guys were really good and I hung in there with them I thought it was really good just regular kickboxers were beating the fuck out of me just beating my ass dude just getting me in the corner jabbing me you think it's looking off the jab right hand I'm like you're going oh no this is terrible isn't it isn't it weird for sure taekwondo's got the best spinning kicks and all that shit yeah it's got some really good kicks yeah the side kick is the best kick for sure best uh you know the best uh version of the sidekicks the taekwendo sidekick isn't it weird that the heads of the taekwondo association whatever whatever it's called they they can't they can't admit that their hands suck you know what I mean they can't admit it you would think that the heads would say you know what shit maybe we should do maybe we should add western boxing to this shit you know what I mean some of them do I'm sure some of them do the heads don't like you would think it's so traditional like they won't change it it's crystal clear it's crystal clear that the best hands are western boxing hands it's crystal clear yeah the world knows this but at the top like you don't like even in the the karate associations or kung fu associations they they won't alter the style right right well you know one thing that is interesting is karate at least emphasizes the idea of punching things without gloves on because there is a difference there's a pretty big difference between punching things with gloves on without gloves on and one of the things that karate figured out a long time ago is you got to condition your knuckles condition your hands and condition your knuckles they never had that even, I mean, I guess maybe some people had it in Taekwondo, but it was never anything in my organization, where they had like a Makawara, which is like a, if you don't know what we're talking about, there's a board with rope wrapped around it, just hard rope, and they just fucking smack, just punched that rope until their knuckles became like, calloused.

[596] My friend John Lee, who I told you about, he was the guy that I saw kicked the bag for the first time and bend it in half, national Taiwan champion, who's a monster.

[597] He had one hand where he only had one knuckle, his first two knuckles.

[598] were just one.

[599] It was one giant knot.

[600] It wasn't like my hand looks like with two distinct knuckles.

[601] It was just a boulder.

[602] All from punching bricks.

[603] He would just break bricks with his knuckles.

[604] And he would practice unless that shit works.

[605] Oh, yeah.

[606] You get mad, mad arthritis when you get older.

[607] Oh, really?

[608] Oh, shit.

[609] It is so not good to just beat on a joint until it caluses up like that.

[610] Forget that.

[611] Yeah.

[612] I mean, this is what I heard.

[613] Maybe that's a fake.

[614] room or two, but a lot of those guys that did that, they would practice on macawaras and on bricks and just constantly be punching bricks.

[615] And so John had hands where he could legitimately punch someone very hard and not worry about it with a bare knuckle.

[616] Whereas a lot of people, you mean, your hand is way weak.

[617] Think about what your hand is.

[618] Like move your hand around like this.

[619] Think about all these little parts.

[620] This is the worst thing you want to hit somebody with.

[621] That's why this elbows are so much better.

[622] elbows are so much better your palms even better this is crazy this thing articulates and it moves this is for piano it's not for hulk smash you know look at this oh shit thoughts of macuara is that a guy's arthritis from using the macuara there was a style his knuckles Jesus Christ oh my God oh my God nice there was a style that did address weaknesses in a bunch of styles and just do you remember um and then And I forget who formed it, but he formed a style that had the best of what he thought of, like, five systems.

[623] Kaju Kempbo.

[624] Remember that?

[625] Hmm.

[626] Kaju Kempbo.

[627] Who put that together?

[628] Karate is karate, uh, Jew, maybe Jiu Jitsu or Judo, then Kempo Karate.

[629] Is that Bart Vail?

[630] And Bo, no. And a bow for boxing.

[631] So it was boxing, karate, judo, and Kempo Karate.

[632] Do you remember Bart Vail?

[633] Yeah.

[634] Dude, Bart Vail was another guy who was like a pioneer of MMA that people seemed to have forgot about.

[635] Cajucumbo.

[636] I can't believe I just remembered him.

[637] Oh, look at that.

[638] Oh, you know what?

[639] Like a little bit of Wing Chung, a little bit of sidekick in.

[640] Yeah.

[641] Google Bart Vail.

[642] He was one of the early guys, man. I fucking completely forgot about him.

[643] He was a big giant dude, too.

[644] He was a shoot fighter.

[645] Yeah, he fought, that's right.

[646] He fought fucking Kim Chammrock and Pancreis.

[647] Look at this.

[648] Yeah.

[649] And this was before the UFC, too.

[650] Yeah.

[651] These guys used to...

[652] They had...

[653] The open slap was interesting, too, right?

[654] They weren't allowed to punch each other.

[655] But they were allowed to open slap.

[656] Like, how weird is that?

[657] So strange watching these old, old fights.

[658] Look how this big fucking Bart Vela is compared to Ken Shamrock.

[659] It was a big fucking dude, man. He always had American flag shorts on, right?

[660] Yeah.

[661] The one thing we failed to mention that we should bring up is whether or not Jorge and Gracie or Art Davy were influenced by pancreas or not, like what came out first, a few months later.

[662] In Brazil, they were doing that shit since like the 20s and 30s and 40s.

[663] Yeah.

[664] So really, it probably all started in Brazil if you break it down like that.

[665] I mean, Helio Gracie was fighting, what, in the 40s or the 50s or something?

[666] Yeah.

[667] You know, Carlson Gracie took over like in the 60s.

[668] It was huge in Brazil.

[669] So not only did Brazil, not only is Brazil responsible for the level of grappling in the world today, it's for sure the Brazilians got to have all the credit for that, for sure, come on, man. Yeah, I mean, what year was the - Also, also MMA.

[670] They were doing Valletudo.

[671] Valle Tudor.

[672] Valle Tudor is old school.

[673] There were, the Brazilians for some reason, I don't know what it was, but they figured out a lot of good shit.

[674] Right, that Hicks and Gracie match when he was 18 against Zulu.

[675] They figured out Asaii, are you kidding me?

[676] You go to Uba Tuba right there on Ventura?

[677] You ever go there?

[678] No. That's the kind of, because all these little pussy -ass little juice shops try to have Asaid, they don't do it right.

[679] The way Uba Tuba does it is exactly the way you get it in Brazil.

[680] So goddamn good.

[681] What is this?

[682] 1920s?

[683] Fighting side shows called Vallitudo began popular in Brazilian circuses during the 1920s.

[684] Jesus Christ.

[685] So they were doing this before they found Jiu -Jitsu.

[686] And Jiu -Jitsu, they just figured it, like, made them see the last piece of the puzzle.

[687] They were already doing it.

[688] Before 1920?

[689] I think Helio started her.

[690] I think Helio was doing Jiu -Jitsu in the 2014 or something.

[691] When did Maeda come to Brazil?

[692] That's a good question.

[693] When did...

[694] I thought that was in the...

[695] What year did Helio Gracie?

[696] Because Carlos Gracie learned first.

[697] What year did Carlos Gracie first...

[698] Learn Jiu -Jitsu.

[699] Count Maida, right?

[700] It was Count Maeda.

[701] When did he first meet Carlos Gracie?

[702] It's amazing, man. Again, think about the billions of people on the planet.

[703] These two people don't meet.

[704] If one guy doesn't teach another guy judo, the whole world's different.

[705] Yeah.

[706] Fucking crazy.

[707] Yeah.

[708] Fucking crazy.

[709] Yeah.

[710] Really crazy.

[711] And then what country did he go to?

[712] You know, did he go to Norway or did he go to Germany?

[713] Did he go?

[714] No, no, he went to this place where they're already doing this.

[715] He comes down and teaches him judo at a place where they're already getting wild.

[716] They're already having these wild -ass fights And he figures out how to get it to the craziest family Or the best way possible Or maybe, I mean So he's about 15, so it would have been 1917 Yes So maybe they learned Jiu -Jitsu and maybe They immediately started having fights Exactly Maybe Valetudo Who invented Valletudo?

[717] Was it the Gracies?

[718] Dude, how crazy is that?

[719] Who first started doing Valley Tudo in Brazil?

[720] That's what I want to know Well, it had to have been influenced by the initial learning of Brazilian Jiu -Jitsu from three years ago.

[721] Or maybe it was just a bunch of dudes who were terrible at Jiu -Jitsu, just like in Japan.

[722] Well, when I came into the UFC, it was 97.

[723] So it was basically the same amount of time afterwards, right?

[724] So think about if, like, Jiu -Jitsu is introduced to Brazil three years before they start doing these Vali Tudot things.

[725] When I first got into the UFC, it was 97.

[726] And you and I went to one in 97, remember?

[727] Yep.

[728] And those days, it was, everything was like, it was like, it had to be probably how, like, how they were on a larger scale because it was on cable, but how they were looking at it.

[729] Like, oh, here's this new thing.

[730] Everybody's figured out this new thing.

[731] This is the new thing.

[732] Okay, we're going to try this new thing.

[733] We're going to have these fights.

[734] We're going to put these fights together.

[735] Real similar timeline.

[736] But the Brazilians were, how many years earlier?

[737] 1920.

[738] 70?

[739] Yeah.

[740] 70 years earlier?

[741] Was anybody doing that before the 1920?

[742] Dude, that is fucking crazy.

[743] Who really invented Vallitudo?

[744] Or maybe it was like a, maybe, you know what?

[745] Maybe them catch wrestling, no -holds bar fights that they would do it in circuses.

[746] There was a little something with that.

[747] Maybe that, yeah, maybe that I think that was in the 1800s.

[748] Yeah.

[749] So it says that in Maeda's Wikipedia that in 1879, Ulysses -Gurant, former president at the time visited Japan and while in Tokyo attended a jiu -jitsu presentation.

[750] Whoa.

[751] Oh, interesting.

[752] 1879?

[753] 1879.

[754] But Japanese Jiu -Jitsu.

[755] Yeah, Japanese Jiu -Jitsu is different than Brazilian Jiu -Jitsu.

[756] Well, didn't, uh, was it Teddy Roosevelt?

[757] One of them studied judo.

[758] Some, one of the, one of the former president studied judo.

[759] I recently read to that Abraham Lincoln before he was president used to travel around and challenge people a wrestler.

[760] Yeah.

[761] Yeah, he was a big old tall dude.

[762] See, I think there's a lot of those guys that would do that just for money.

[763] They would travel around, and then there was people that would take on all comers in, you know, local towns.

[764] It was a way to make money.

[765] Yeah.

[766] But the rules matter.

[767] Like if you're doing challenge matches, because in catch wrestling in the sport, you're not allowed to put someone in full guard, I don't think.

[768] I don't know about that.

[769] I don't know the rules.

[770] Like in wrestling.

[771] In just regular wrestling, you can't put anybody in your guard and work your guard.

[772] So in catch wrestling, it's similar.

[773] In catch wrestling, you can win by pin too, right?

[774] Is that true?

[775] I think so.

[776] That's like what?

[777] It's a wrestling -based art. But you could also get a guy in Camorra.

[778] Yes.

[779] Or an Americana.

[780] Yeah.

[781] You can choke them?

[782] It truly is, I think so.

[783] Submission wrestling.

[784] But the problem and the big problem with catch wrestling and has a lot of wonderful things for sure.

[785] A lot like, you know, the Camura, there's a lot of great shit in catch wrestling.

[786] But the fact that you can't work from your full guard means that not only does the system have no guard work really or super limited guard work like someone's going to send me a picture.

[787] Look, a picture of some old catch wrestler in the guard or something.

[788] Yes, yes, yes, yes, I get it.

[789] It existed.

[790] But I'm talking about a sport where you're allowed to work from the guard without being stood up or without being penalized.

[791] you know what I mean y 'alls didn't have that so what what means what that means is the guard passing was non -existent as well if you don't if you're not allowed to play guard why would you bother learning and drilling all these different pass combos it's a lot of time yeah so that's that's what the catch wrestling was missing was the guard and the guard passing they had all the submissions and it's a beautiful thing but it was like that in Japan in a lot of ways too that when you watch old pancreas no one's working from the guard there's no tech there's no technical hands half guard stuff there's it's just wide open basic movements um off your back and that's one of the that's the biggest thing that the brazilians brought to the game is uh guard passing um which means on the flip side you got to have you know a super hard guard to pass you know and that changes everything that changed everything and and uh and trying to figure out a way to do real fights you know that's why they had to fake a lot of fights because there was so much missing that fights would, you know, when you put two white belts together on the ground, there's not going to be a submission going on.

[792] It's going to be, it's not going to be entertaining to watch two people on the ground in a position like the guard or whatever where you just don't spend a lot of time and it gets really boring.

[793] So that's why you'd have to fake it.

[794] You're like, you know what?

[795] If we're going to allow.

[796] What do you mean by fake it?

[797] Like pro wrestling.

[798] Like pro wrestling.

[799] The origins of pro wrestling.

[800] I mean, if you think about pro wrestling, pro wrestling is just a fake.

[801] UFC because they're on the ground.

[802] They do, uh, um, they, you know, they do leg locks and shit.

[803] And they do, they do, they'll do go go plattas now, the grave digger.

[804] Now they do.

[805] The undertaker.

[806] Yeah.

[807] Only because they would have did it before if they would have known it was possible.

[808] They just didn't spend enough time on the ground without standups and without penalties to figure out there's so much you could do on the ground.

[809] And that's, that's what changed everything.

[810] That's what made it so that, uh, you don't have to fake fights anymore.

[811] Although there are fake fights, you know, especially in Japan.

[812] I think that's why they started faking fights.

[813] I think they just wanted to make it more entertaining and they want to be able to do it every night well yes if you travel on the road no no no that's what i'm saying they want to make it more entertaining if it if it's real it's not entertaining because you have two dudes you want to be able to do it every night you want you want to be able to travel on the road i don't know i don't know i don't know their schedule i don't know exactly how they did yeah maybe they went out once every six months maybe they went out every once a month i'm not too sure uh the frequency of their fights but a hundred percent you go you take a time machine back to 1860 and you go to a carnival when you watch these dude's grapple, you're not going to see high -tech guard work, you know what I mean?

[814] You're not going to see high -tech guard passing.

[815] No, it didn't exist.

[816] It's why I was so stunning.

[817] It exists in judo, but not that much because, yeah, unless you're doing Nuwaza, Nuwaza was a judo style that spent more time on the ground, but still, they didn't make an impact like the Gracies did.

[818] Well, when you watch someone who's a really good guard expert on their back and, you know, you watch someone trapped in that web.

[819] You know, it's really, it's very interesting.

[820] Yeah, and now you don't have to fake it.

[821] It didn't exist before the UFC.

[822] Yeah.

[823] That thought that a guy on his back could be like super dangerous.

[824] That was a totally new concept.

[825] Dan Severn, Hoyce Gracie.

[826] Yeah, that was the one.

[827] Yeah, a fight like that wouldn't exist.

[828] I mean, he was on his back and he had Dan Severn in his guard.

[829] I don't know, like 15 minutes or something like that.

[830] It was a long time.

[831] That was the longest match Hoyce had been in.

[832] And he ended up triangling him.

[833] You know, you, you know, when you, when there are no standups, a lot more, uh, patience is involved and, um, setups and, and there's so much more.

[834] It's like a whole other dimension opens up when there's no standups.

[835] So this weekend is Darren Till versus Wonder, excuse me, versus Tyron Woodley.

[836] Why don't I say versus Wonderboy?

[837] What kind of flip was that?

[838] You know why?

[839] Because I was reading an article of this is really interesting article about Wonderball.

[840] in his last three fights, the two fights with Tyron Woodley that were super duper close, and then one fight with Darren Till that was also really close.

[841] And they were talking about how, if you looked at it on paper, the people from outside, I think they were saying the global scorecard.

[842] I think that's how they're describing it, meaning how people scored it, like, on average, around the world.

[843] More people gave it to Wonderboy than gave it to Darren Till.

[844] And the same thing happened with the, Tyron Woodley fights.

[845] I feel like the decisions were right in all those fights.

[846] I feel like in the Woodley fights in particular, Woodley hurt Wonder Boy.

[847] Wonder Boy didn't really hurt Woodley.

[848] I think that counts for more.

[849] It just does.

[850] Woodley, Tyron Woodley had him out.

[851] I mean, he had him really hurt.

[852] And Wonder Boy never had Tyrant in that kind of trouble in either one of those fights.

[853] So I would give that advantage clearly to Tyron.

[854] I would think that if he lost that fight, it wouldn't make any sense.

[855] Because fights are supposed to be about who does the most damage, who's more effective.

[856] I mean, Wonder Boy was effective for more time, but that's just like movement and sticking and hitting him with small shots.

[857] But Tyron put him on, you know, unconsciousness's door.

[858] He was like right there.

[859] It was very dangerous.

[860] It was way different.

[861] And plus you've got to take the belt, right?

[862] Yeah.

[863] Well, I'm not sure I believe that.

[864] I think, you know, if someone really wins a decision, they really win a decision.

[865] But it's just what's most important is damage.

[866] You guys are basically in a striking exchange.

[867] We're not talking about, like, submission attempts versus striking exchanges, like, which one's better.

[868] He almost had him choked out with that triangle.

[869] Well, he almost had him knocked out with that left hook.

[870] We're not talking about that because it was basically just a striking match.

[871] And in just a plain old striking match, Woodley was the one who landed the bigger shots.

[872] In my mind, we've got to figure out a way to quantify that.

[873] It just doesn't make any sense where you could see a guy having a guy fucked up and almost out.

[874] I think the same way about the Robert Whitaker, Yowell L. Romero fight.

[875] There's two rounds in that fight where Yoel Romero is landing bombs on Whitaker and Whitaker's hurt bad.

[876] How does he lose that fight?

[877] I don't understand that.

[878] It doesn't make it, to me, even if it makes sense in the current scoring system, that scoring system is fucking flawed.

[879] That shit doesn't make any sense.

[880] Like logically, when you're looking at what is the, what's the ultimate goal of fighting?

[881] But if you look at those three fights, just at least on paper wonder boy's like right up there and darrentill with one fight with cowboy one fight with him those two fights were the most high profile fights of his career boom already got a title shot it's really interesting that's how that's how talented darrentill is people are so interested in him 17 and no 25 years old they're like fuck give him a chance the real battle for this guy almost is not just the fight which is going to be of course a battle but making 170 and how much long longer does he do that he's i mean he fucking he's hurting to get down to 170 apparently he was at 182 yes he's giant dude giant you see how much bigger he is in woodley is it the video at the press conference when they stand next to each other and how tall is he till puts his hands over his head i can't tell it says inches he's got to be six two but he said a big giant six too that's six foot even that's just six foot even yeah 72 inches that's right it is is he seems way taller than that yeah watch the go to the video of them um that's crazy why i think he was six too anyway just still we're talking 170 he's clearly taller he's a big fucker too it's not just tall he's thick you know he's uh he's a big fucking guy and he has a hard time making that weight look how fucking big he is dude seriously it's only three inches that looks like more than that looks like more than three inches unless we're wearing so some crazy cowboy boots.

[882] I don't know, but look.

[883] It's going to be hard to do anything to Woodley, man. Very hard.

[884] It's going to be hard.

[885] Well, there's a bunch of things with Woodley.

[886] First of all, the fucking speed.

[887] You're dealing with speed you probably haven't seen before.

[888] Exactly.

[889] And his level of wrestling.

[890] Look at these two guys.

[891] Has Till submitted anybody?

[892] He doesn't want to leave.

[893] No, no. His Jiu Jitsu isn't done?

[894] No, there's no submitting with Till.

[895] I mean, he knows Jiu Jitsu for sure.

[896] He lived in Brazil for a few years.

[897] He actually speaks Portuguese.

[898] Oh, shit, okay.

[899] He got stabbed in London and then went to Brazil to fucking recoup and hang out and live there for a while.

[900] I don't know the full story of it, but he speaks perfect Portuguese.

[901] After one of his fights in Brazil, he addressed the crowd in Portuguese.

[902] It was pretty crazy.

[903] I haven't heard any trash talking from Connor.

[904] Have I missed it?

[905] He's not doing any press.

[906] Oh, shit.

[907] He's not doing anything.

[908] Figured it out.

[909] You figure out the promotion on your own I'm over here Seriously He's not doing shit What about a countdown show?

[910] What about a countdown show?

[911] I think he basically said Listen man I'm going to fight and that's it That's what's going to happen October 6th I'm going to fight And that's it I thought he liked the promotion I thought he liked it I think he's done man You know he's hit that First of all He just won a hundred million dollars He probably thinks You could suck all the dicks I'm here right now If you want me like I want to fight That's what I want to do.

[912] I don't want to do any of your bullshit.

[913] I want to fight.

[914] So on October 6th, I'm going to show up and fight.

[915] Figure out all the rest.

[916] On October 5th, I'll be there to make weight.

[917] Do that in his accent, though.

[918] I wish I could.

[919] I'd have to listen to him a few more times.

[920] If he dies, he dies, then it says.

[921] Hold on.

[922] Go back down.

[923] What are you doing?

[924] If he dies, he dies, then I'm paid twice.

[925] It's got 1 .3 million likes.

[926] What does that mean?

[927] Yeah, it's a lot of likes.

[928] So much promotion right there.

[929] He's trying to just stay relevant.

[930] trying to put some words out there look sexy probably got somebody doing it for him some a little assistant and you know he's probably concentrating on the fight and they said Connor's this good and he's like yeah it's fucking good put it up I'll tell you what man I can't fucking wait for that fight and you know you know if one of them drop out hmm you know Tony Ferguson yeah Tony Ferguson's ready to go he's ready to go and he's on the card anyway and the undercard against pettis right yeah so they would definitely do Ferguson and not Pettus?

[931] I think so.

[932] I'm not sure.

[933] I think, did they offer Nirmagamadoff to Pettus when all that shit was going down in New York in Brooklyn?

[934] I know they offered it to, they were going to have it, Kiesa, but Kiesa got cut, right?

[935] And they wouldn't, they didn't let Paul Feldner, because Paul Felter wasn't ranked high enough, which is crazy.

[936] Yeah.

[937] And they let Ally Quint to do it.

[938] But I think they offered it to Pettus.

[939] The report was Pettus and Felder were both denied.

[940] Mm, interesting.

[941] Pettis and Felder both did not.

[942] Well, you know, Pettis just beat Kiesa by triangle.

[943] He looked good.

[944] He looked like he's back.

[945] I selfishly hope that no one drops out because first of all, I want to see that fight.

[946] But two, I really want to see Tony versus Pettis.

[947] Yeah.

[948] That's a really interesting fight, man. Yeah, Tony's looking good, man. I bet he is.

[949] It's amazing how quick he came back from that surgery.

[950] It's amazing, man. It's amazing.

[951] He's looking really good.

[952] He's breakdancing.

[953] I watched him breakdance.

[954] This guy just blew his knee, ligaments off his bones.

[955] Quit drinking.

[956] No more drinking.

[957] He's clean as fuck.

[958] His diets are, and he looks great right now.

[959] He looks great.

[960] Yeah, he's in tremendous shape.

[961] How much was he drinking before?

[962] He's in the best shape of his life.

[963] You know, a couple beers here and there.

[964] You know what I mean?

[965] No big deal, but he's, but he said, fuck it.

[966] None of that now.

[967] Oh, dude.

[968] That injury just changed everything for him.

[969] That injury is like, it just made him re -evaluate his life and now he's coming back stronger than ever man well when something like that happens you realize like whoa one of these that's really this catastrophic could be the end of my career yeah yeah it's possible and it's so possible that Connor or Kabib could drop out that's so possible so possible that's the backup plan pettis and Tony is the backup plan but what are we at now we're still a month away yeah today's the sixth we have a whole month Yeah, dude, the world could fall apart in a month.

[970] And a month?

[971] Yeah.

[972] And that weekend is going to be fucking insane because that's in Vegas on that Saturday.

[973] The Friday before is Quintet 3.

[974] That's going to be insane.

[975] What's that?

[976] Have you seen Quintet yet?

[977] No. The team jiu -jitsu?

[978] What?

[979] Soccerab only Jiu.

[980] Oh, my God.

[981] Dude.

[982] Okay, okay, okay.

[983] I'm confused.

[984] I thought you meant team like four guys against four guys attacking each other all at once.

[985] No, no, no, no, no. Because I was watching that video, the Russian guy, it's still in my head?

[986] No, no, no, no, no. Quintet is Sakaraba show.

[987] I did.

[988] I saw the boogie choked out Sakarab.

[989] I was like, that is the craziest shit I've ever seen in my life.

[990] That was the craziest experience I've ever been in my life as far as Jiu -Jitsu goes.

[991] It's so different.

[992] I've never done this.

[993] Yeah.

[994] Team Jiu -Jitsu, it's fucking insane.

[995] There were so many ups and downs, man. It was insane.

[996] Why was Gio grappling against a guy that was so big?

[997] Well, this is the way they do it.

[998] Okay, so there's four teams.

[999] It's a four -man brawomen.

[1000] And, you know, the winner of these two teams, fights the winner of these two teams, and then they have, they're in the finals.

[1001] So it's five on five, nine hundred and fifty pound weight limit.

[1002] So you get to, yeah, for the whole stack.

[1003] For the whole five.

[1004] Oh, my God.

[1005] You get to divvy it however you want.

[1006] You can get two monsters here, two monsters, but then you've got to have like little, little guys here.

[1007] So, um, and when it ends up happening, we had two, we had Adam Sackenov and Amir, Alam are two giant guys that are like both like 220.

[1008] and then we had Gio, P .J. and Boogie made up the rest of the team.

[1009] So we had two big guys, a couple medium guys, and then Gio's the small guy.

[1010] Gio's the smallest guy, but he's like the -40 -5.

[1011] And Gio's like 140.

[1012] 145.

[1013] He does one, he fights 135.

[1014] Right, and he walks around like 140, like 140.

[1015] So you, every team has to submit the order they want their fighters to go, but without knowing your opponents.

[1016] order so you you just line them up however you want and then boom they just bam this is the matchup like oh shit you know um you could have giants against little dudes you know it's all mixed up you just bam does anybody have to agree no so who gets to put the guy out first like when you making the decision no this is what happens you have to every team has to submit the order that they want their their fighters to go out so i had so it's random so i say eddie you go out first jamie goes out second.

[1017] Write it down, submit it, and they go, And they just put them together.

[1018] That's ridiculous.

[1019] you don't know how your, your opponent's, the other team's going to line them up.

[1020] So boom, when they line up, when you see how it lined up, you're like, oh, shit.

[1021] So the craziest thing was, we, you know, we had to beat, the first team we went against was, um, Ishi's team.

[1022] Ishi is the biggest, best built Japanese of all time of all time.

[1023] He's like 250 pound Japanese like 6 foot 3, 6 foot 4 built like Ray Lewis.

[1024] Is Is he the gold medalist?

[1025] Gold medalist in judo.

[1026] He's in dude.

[1027] He's so cool too.

[1028] The guy, he's awesome.

[1029] He's, uh, his English is pretty good.

[1030] And, um, just fought MMA a little bit.

[1031] Yeah, in Japan.

[1032] The dude is, I've never seen a Japanese built like this motherfucker.

[1033] I've never, he's like Brock fucking Lesnar and shit.

[1034] You know what I mean?

[1035] It's insane.

[1036] He's a, he's a, he's a very intimidate.

[1037] and giant so that was the first team we were going against oh no fuck we were like holy shit and plus they had joawa sis which is a big ass Brazilian he's like 210 pounds one of the best brazilian jiu jitsu guys out there and he's on japanese team he's on ishi's team whoa so it's yawa sis big high level world champion abu dhabi champion he won abu dhabi once oh my god and ishi and then they had three other guys right so we had to go against them first but but But the first two teams that went, while we're in the locker room, Sakarabas team went against Tiger Muay Thai team, right?

[1038] It was a Stuart Cooper's team.

[1039] Look at photo Ishi up there.

[1040] Jesus Christ, he's jacked.

[1041] Look at the size of him, man. He's so fucking big.

[1042] He's huge.

[1043] He's huge.

[1044] Oh, I'm sure, man. It's incredible.

[1045] He fought Rampage, right?

[1046] Was that in Strike Force?

[1047] Bellator.

[1048] Belator.

[1049] He fought Rampage and Bellator.

[1050] So we're in the back.

[1051] I wish I would have videotaped this shit.

[1052] We're in the back.

[1053] locker room.

[1054] It's a nice arena and everything.

[1055] So it's like we're like at a like a basketball arena.

[1056] We're in the back watching the first two guys go.

[1057] And Sakaraba had this giant black guy on his team.

[1058] His last name is Frida.

[1059] I think it's Hasim Frida.

[1060] Some black guy from Africa who lives in Japan and he trains with Sakaraba, giant dude, right?

[1061] Tall motherfucker.

[1062] So we're watching this black dude destroy everybody while we're in the locker room going, holy shit.

[1063] Shit.

[1064] Who's going to go against this dude?

[1065] He's probably about 210, 215 pounds, 6 '4, Haseen Frida.

[1066] This is the guy right here?

[1067] No, no, no, no. The guy he's going to fight.

[1068] Yes, check out this guy right here.

[1069] Alex Schild and Hassim Rida.

[1070] He just goes after legs and rips.

[1071] He's tall, dude.

[1072] He fucks people up.

[1073] So we're backstage watching this dude tear through that team.

[1074] He's so much bigger than that guy.

[1075] Yeah, totally.

[1076] This is so crazy.

[1077] Yeah, yeah.

[1078] This is like a, it looks like a 150 -pound guy versus a 205er.

[1079] Yeah.

[1080] And the way it is, right, so if you win the first matchup, right, if there's not a submission, it's submission only.

[1081] If there's not a submission and time runs out, both those fighters are out.

[1082] It's whoever has the last fighter standing wins, right?

[1083] Oh, shit.

[1084] Look at this.

[1085] He goes right for legs and just rips them off, dude.

[1086] Looking for the other one now.

[1087] he's so much bigger than him so dangerous knee bar well he let it go quick so anyways we're backstage watching this guy he tapped out like three dudes where's he from this guy Kenya maybe Ghana and he trains over in Ghana as well no no he lives in Japan he trains with somebody in Japan with Sakaraba look how much bigger he is that's so crazy that guy's a normal guy yeah at least he didn't hurt him so so if you win that first match you got to understand this.

[1088] This is how it goes down.

[1089] If you win, you stay and you fight their second guy.

[1090] If you beat him again, you stay and you fight their third guy.

[1091] Wait a minute.

[1092] This is the second or third guy already fight?

[1093] Do they fight already?

[1094] Like, you're not fighting a guy who hasn't fought.

[1095] Are you fighting a guy who also won?

[1096] Yes.

[1097] No, no, what happens is five on five, five, right?

[1098] This is the first matchup right here, right?

[1099] This guy wins.

[1100] Okay, so that guy's out.

[1101] This guy stays in.

[1102] We still got five guys.

[1103] Now they got four.

[1104] This guy fights this guy He wins again He taps him He stays And these guys haven't even fought yet And then this guy is going to fight the third guy Okay people are listening here You've got your fingers in the air No one knows the foot you say Is it coming out on the camera?

[1105] Yes We get it So but if you tie Let's say you're in a matchup and you tie Both you guys are out And then the next fighter comes in So it's the last man standing And Interesting So it's a good idea Like Gio went against Ishi Our smallest guy Went against the biggest on the tournament, Judo Olympic Camura of hell.

[1106] So the strategy there was just survive against this dude and knock him out.

[1107] Don't let him win.

[1108] Because if he beats Gio, then he's going to fight again.

[1109] He's going to keep fighting until he loses or gets decayed.

[1110] So is it points?

[1111] How does it work?

[1112] There's no points.

[1113] Submission only.

[1114] Submission only.

[1115] And how much time do you have?

[1116] It's, I think it's eight minutes for regular matches.

[1117] But if it's a, if there's a weight difference that's like, 40 pounds or more, then it's a shorter match.

[1118] Okay.

[1119] Now, when - It's four minutes, it's four minutes.

[1120] When Gio went against Ishi...

[1121] Put on Gio versus Ishi.

[1122] Ishi wasn't able to tap him, which is incredible.

[1123] When you really think about how much bigger he is, I mean, he's enormous.

[1124] It's the one after this one.

[1125] It's the one after this fight.

[1126] I saw Sakaraba and Ritchie, who we keep calling Boogie.

[1127] And this is Richie right here against Joua assists.

[1128] Yeah.

[1129] This is Ritchie.

[1130] He, uh, both these guys.

[1131] guys, they got DQed because there was no taps.

[1132] Boogie had rubber guard all over him, dude.

[1133] It looked scary, like two or three times.

[1134] So he got decued as well?

[1135] Because nothing happened?

[1136] Yeah, they both get DQed if there's no submission, which is beautiful.

[1137] It's a beautiful.

[1138] It makes people go after things.

[1139] You guys are out.

[1140] It's whoever has the last fighter.

[1141] When I saw that Sakaraba was tapped out, I was like, who the fuck tapped out?

[1142] And then as he got off him, I saw it was Richie.

[1143] I texted him.

[1144] I was like, what the fuck?

[1145] So this is it.

[1146] Look at this.

[1147] is he she and Gio right here.

[1148] It's so crazy, look at this shit.

[1149] So it's all about, Gio's trying to attack him.

[1150] See, Gio went for a Camura of his own because he's really good at Camoras.

[1151] So he was like, fuck it, I'm going to try to tap this guy out.

[1152] But it got to a point where he was just too big and he put a Camorra on Gio and was just trying to rip his arm off, dude.

[1153] He had Gio's arm behind his back.

[1154] Yeah, I saw it.

[1155] I saw it.

[1156] And I talked to Gio after the fact.

[1157] Gio and Richie came to see me in Temecula when I did the casino down there, Pichanga.

[1158] Yeah.

[1159] I talked to him about it afterwards.

[1160] I went, dude, he's like, you didn't tap me. I'm like, that's crazy.

[1161] It's crazy that he couldn't tap you.

[1162] He's so much bigger.

[1163] And when I saw him yanking on his arm, it's terrifying to watch.

[1164] He's like thinking about all the damage.

[1165] It's doing that elbow and that shoulder.

[1166] Yep.

[1167] And he's trying to pass his guard and put a kamoor on.

[1168] And he's got four minutes to do it.

[1169] So we're all thinking it would be great if Gio could tap this guy, but at the very least, knock him out.

[1170] You know what I mean?

[1171] Just survive.

[1172] Because who knows?

[1173] He could have cleaned out the whole team.

[1174] Look at this.

[1175] animal crazy this guy's a fucking monster yeah i mean he keeps yanking on it too it's just amazing geos it gets crazy right here look yeah we're watching it right now look at the boom look at that shit look at the other side look at that most people would have tapped right yeah yeah yeah most people would have tapped look at look at that shit look at that boom now he's good he got the hand down on the mat luckily he's so good at kamara's that he's created so many Camorra monsters down at his school that he has to deal with Camor's all time.

[1176] So that's why he was able to survive.

[1177] Look how he's getting his knees in.

[1178] See how he's just creating space.

[1179] Tuck it in again.

[1180] Yeah.

[1181] Amazing.

[1182] People who have never practiced you just who probably wouldn't appreciate how interesting this technique.

[1183] Look at that.

[1184] He has his arm again.

[1185] So dangerous for him to do this to be stuck in the situation.

[1186] And to see Ishi give up on it.

[1187] That's what's even more crazy because Ishi is literally a hundred pounds bigger.

[1188] No, he's going to go back to it.

[1189] He's going to Go back to it.

[1190] But, I mean, he gave up on it right there, though.

[1191] Yeah.

[1192] I mean, he's so much bigger than him.

[1193] It's really, it's insane.

[1194] So because of the fact there was no tap in this one, both guys get knocked out.

[1195] Is that how it goes?

[1196] Exactly.

[1197] So that, we win there.

[1198] You know what I mean?

[1199] We took out a monster.

[1200] Took out the big gorilla.

[1201] Yeah.

[1202] So, we win the first round.

[1203] And then we end up going against Sakharabas team in the finals because they beat Tiger Muay Thai team.

[1204] So now Hasim Frieda Boogie taps out Sakaraba He puts Sakaraba in a A dars A dars And then he goes against He stays Because he wins So he stays And he goes against Frida And Frida Taps out Boogie What did he catch him with?

[1205] He got him with an arm bar And right there Geos next now Right here Here it is Yeah this is This is where he gets Buggy Boom So now he's stays and Gio's next and he's just on fire he's ripping through everybody in within a minute and how big is he so just let it roll through here let this roll how big is he um now it's like a Gio he's about like 6 3 6 4 tall motherfucker 2 20 210 in that area so now look at this is geo against so I told Gio I said I looked at him and said dude avenge your brother's loss I went fucking kung fu theory because I'm losing my mind right right I'm like oh shit and And Gio...

[1206] So this is the final match.

[1207] No, no, no. This is like right in the middle.

[1208] Now it's like there's three guys left each.

[1209] I don't understand how this whole thing works, but...

[1210] It's kind of confusing, but once you stay in until you either lose or get...

[1211] Or it's a draw.

[1212] If you lose or it's a draw, you're both out.

[1213] But if you win with a submission, you stay and you fight their next guy.

[1214] One guy could take out a whole team.

[1215] And, you know, the winning.

[1216] team might have guys that didn't immediately attacking like he's attacking check this it doesn't last long so he's so tall um he geo's got one of the best guillotine in the system here look boom he gets him right there before he stood up there was no way he would have been able to catch that front headlock and that's exactly what we're talking about once you have a front headlock boom look at this he goes marcellotine on him boom all marcello right here check this out boom bam right there marcella that is incredible man that is amazing that is an amazing guillotine that a 140 -pound dude can tap out an elite high -level 210 -pound dude like that that's incredible maybe more than 210 yeah that's amazing yeah so i'm on this dude i'm on the side losing my mind and my head almost exploded that's incredible and so now geo stays and he goes against look at that size difference look at that shit and he guillotine he guillotine that dude yeah and if you watch it the only way he was he could give Guilatine him was by almost sweeping him, getting him on his butt, and before he could stand up, Gios, he jumped on that head and arm, boom, and he sprawled him down, snapped him down, and turned it into a marcelotene.

[1217] Insane.

[1218] Insane.

[1219] This dude's like, oh, no. He can't believe it.

[1220] He thought it was going to be easy.

[1221] Well, that's one of the more interesting things about jujitsu, is that jujitsu is an art where a smaller person with technique really can beat a bigger person.

[1222] It's just.

[1223] Marcellotines are giant killers.

[1224] That's why it's in the, we warm up with that.

[1225] shit dude we don't fuck around i i mean i i don't know how many times you need to see marcella garcia rip people apart with those things you know before you put it into your your own system that's amazing so when is this event going to happen again so we won this one it was super fucking crazy we won this one and um uh that was quintet two quintet three uh we're returning and we're that's going to be in Vegas the friday before connor versus Khabib.

[1226] Oh, shit.

[1227] So it's going to be a crazy weekend, son.

[1228] Oh, shit.

[1229] Yeah, because that team Polaris, they won the first quintet.

[1230] And they got Craig Jones, they got Marcyne Held, Daniel Strauss.

[1231] I mean, Craig Jones is one of the best grapplers in the world right now.

[1232] And that's it.

[1233] Quintet.

[1234] I watched his match with Hussamar Paharas.

[1235] Yariah Favir got a team now.

[1236] Oh, shit.

[1237] There's Gio.

[1238] Hmm, interesting.

[1239] Craig Jones, that's fucking.

[1240] Team Polaris is Quintet 1 winner.

[1241] Dude, it's really nice to see more people paying attention to submission grappling.

[1242] Maybe this is the way to do it.

[1243] This is, dude, this is lighting the world on the grappling world on fire.

[1244] Everyone's starting their own quintet rules is a new thing now.

[1245] They've already been, that happened a month and a half ago, and there have already been tournaments, blue belt quintet tournament.

[1246] Like, we're having a quintet tournament at the 10th Planet Eclipse, which is what we all get together once a year and have a party and you know and do business stuff like a business summit meeting.

[1247] Wait a minute.

[1248] Is it founded by Josh Barnett?

[1249] Is that what you're saying?

[1250] He's in it?

[1251] Josh Barnett's in it?

[1252] He had he was in the first one but it's a Sakharaba show.

[1253] Quintech 3.

[1254] No, Quintech 3 card will feature Sakharaba himself in action along with fellow UFC Hall of Famer, Uriah Fabor, former UFC heavyweight champion Josh Barnett and elite grappling champions including three -time EBI winner.

[1255] Gio motherfucking Martinez.

[1256] And reigning Polaris I guess, yeah, I guess Josh Burnett's going to be in this one.

[1257] Craig Jones.

[1258] That's awesome, man. Maybe he's on Sakarabas team or something.

[1259] Well, you know what, man, he's like real ambivalent about his, is not ambivalent, but, you know, he's just trying to figure out what he's going to do with his career.

[1260] He's been released by the UFC.

[1261] You know, he had that whole USADA thing where it was a, they flagged him for, what is it, a tainted supplement?

[1262] He went over the whole story on the podcast.

[1263] It was a tainted supplement.

[1264] They proved it was a tainted supplement.

[1265] They released him, but it took a long time to do so, and he was very frustrated by it, and now he's not sure what he's going to do.

[1266] So for him to do something like this, you know, especially like at this stage of his career, like Josh is still an elite grappler.

[1267] Absolutely.

[1268] Won the worlds in the ghee.

[1269] Tap Dean Lister out.

[1270] Remember that?

[1271] Tap Dean Lister out with a can, what was a can opener?

[1272] No, no, it was a scarf hold.

[1273] Scarfold choke?

[1274] I forget.

[1275] I forget.

[1276] Yeah.

[1277] It was like one of them judo side headlock chokes.

[1278] Yeah.

[1279] tapped out here on Gracie.

[1280] I mean, he had a lot of weight on him, but still, he still got him.

[1281] The Dean Lister one is, both of them are incredibly impressive, but the Dean Lister is a big guy.

[1282] You know, Dean Lister and him are of similar size.

[1283] Yeah, so he got him in, he got him in side control, and then he went to like one of those, remember when Mark Coleman tapped out Dan Severn?

[1284] Yeah, remember that?

[1285] It's like just a regular school yard headlock.

[1286] Just a headlock.

[1287] I got put in a headlock once as a kid for, being an asshole.

[1288] I couldn't get out.

[1289] I couldn't get out, man. You realize how fucking good Josh is, though, when you see him control a guy like Dean Lister.

[1290] I mean, that's how goddamn good Josh Barnett is.

[1291] That's a good to record Nelson right there.

[1292] Look at this pop -up.

[1293] These shameless pop -ups.

[1294] These twas -notes.

[1295] Someone screen -recorded this video.

[1296] Oh, someone screen -recorded?

[1297] I thought it was a shameless pop -up.

[1298] All right, we're good.

[1299] So that's fucking interesting.

[1300] Who else is on the card this weekend?

[1301] Pull up the UFC card this weekend.

[1302] So it's Darren Till versus Tyron Woodley.

[1303] I'm very excited by that.

[1304] fight.

[1305] When you look, Darren Till is a really, really high -level striker.

[1306] Like the way he moves, the way he sets things up, the strategies.

[1307] He does fight with his chin up in the air, though, and he does fight with his hands down low, but it's to invite in brawls.

[1308] So who else we got?

[1309] We got, oh, Montana and Valentina Shevchenko.

[1310] Zabit is fighting, oh shit.

[1311] Well, Zabit was supposed to be fighting Yaya Rodriguez.

[1312] But Yaya Rodriguez got injured so Brandon Davis took it on real short notice I think like less than three weeks notice mm -hmm that's gonna be a good fight right there yeah Jessica andradi probably had the biggest arms in the women's division she's a beast yeah dude those arms are incredible yeah I'm really excited about Till and Woodley that's the fight that's most interesting to me that one to me is like huh I watched that the Woodley Till highlights and I'm like I don't know man I'm real interested about this because what what Till brings to the game is size and height and distance and striking but what Tyron Woodley Tyrone Woodley also is wrestling also as championship experience been there done that till's favorite till's favorite yeah one 45 to 125 I never understood that how can they both be slightly above 100 it has to do with the money but yeah I know but I mean, still, like, wait a minute.

[1313] So, if, you know, one of them's, you bet a hundred, you win one and a half.

[1314] But the other one is also favored.

[1315] No. 125, I mean, 125.

[1316] Yeah.

[1317] So that you, so, okay, so what it is is Darren Till's favorite by 145.

[1318] Like, if you bet 100, you win 145.

[1319] That means you have to pay 100 to $1 .405 to win 100.

[1320] Right.

[1321] You have to pay $1 .45 to win 100.

[1322] where if you bet a hundred you win 125 on Woodley, who's the champion.

[1323] That's really just like if you bet now, because this will change probably by all the way up to the time the fight starts.

[1324] Normally I understand this.

[1325] I still don't understand it.

[1326] I understand it, but we smoke too much pop before this show.

[1327] But the thing that's interesting to me is that he doesn't, I don't understand why they would have him a favorite, unless there's a lot of money coming in from Liverpool.

[1328] It's literally just what it is.

[1329] it's just a betting favorite.

[1330] Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

[1331] It's not like, this isn't saying this is the favorite for the fight.

[1332] It's just a betting favorite.

[1333] Like, there should be an expert line.

[1334] Like, I wonder what the expert line would be.

[1335] Because if I didn't work for the UFC, if I'm standing here and you say, who do you think wins this fight?

[1336] I'd have to step back.

[1337] If I was, like, working for a casino, if they hired me as a consultant, I'd say, this is a pick -um fight.

[1338] Anything can happen in this fight.

[1339] There's no way I know what's going to happen in this fight.

[1340] Like, the valetina Shevchenko and Nico Monson.

[1341] antenna.

[1342] That fight should be like 1 ,200 to 1.

[1343] That's pretty much what it is.

[1344] Is it?

[1345] 1600.

[1346] 1600.

[1347] Okay.

[1348] Well, I'm being conservative.

[1349] Another one is Sabit is minus 1 ,200.

[1350] Yeah, that makes sense too.

[1351] Those two makes sense.

[1352] See, this one to me is like, hmm, I don't know.

[1353] I really do not know.

[1354] That is very much like Pickham territory.

[1355] You could even have it like it could be plus 110 plus 110.

[1356] So this could vary depending upon like late Woodley money could come in or late till money could shift it even higher i don't know depending on how much is really on it someone could change that probably like a 10 000 bet they could flip it or something like that depends on how much is currently riding it's a it's a very interesting fight i think um one factor is going to be kicks and i think what you're going to see is till doing a lot of what he did in the wonder boy fight which is uh attacked that lead leg with a front leg side kick he he does that a lot and it's a it's an awful kick if you get hit with it hyper extends your knee and he does it really well it's a real controversial kick I mean I don't know really that it should be if it's legal to grab your leg in a heel hook and rip it apart why isn't it legal to side kick your leg I mean I don't think it's dirty at all the thing is that you can't the idea is that you can't tap from it Darren Till Eddie Bravo back from the pisser Darren Till is he's known for this in the Wonder Boy fight he threw these hard front -leg sidekicks to the knee.

[1357] Just like Robert Whitaker did to Yoel Romero and just like Yoel Romero did to him in the previous fight.

[1358] Like that front -leg sidekick to the knee has become a big kick and Till's really good at it.

[1359] I think that's going to be a big factor in this fight.

[1360] It's distance.

[1361] Like if Till can keep his distance and use his reach.

[1362] You know, because it says the same reach, but that doesn't make any sense.

[1363] But doesn't one of them's taller.

[1364] I mean, it's just like, yeah, maybe the arm distance is the same.

[1365] Does Woodley generally counter fight?

[1366] Is he generally kind of stepping back?

[1367] I mean, is he going to want to...

[1368] He does a lot of that.

[1369] He does a lot of that.

[1370] He's really good at countering.

[1371] He lets himself almost get pushed back to the cage and then he launches forward.

[1372] If you watch like when he caoed Josh Koshek, what he does, he would let, he almost lets guys press him up against the cage and they expose themselves and then he attacks back.

[1373] Rory McDonald figured out a way to nullify that.

[1374] He was the, like, but that was all.

[1375] also a different Tyrone Woodley because I was Tyrone Willie before Duke Rufus.

[1376] See most people don't realize that even though Tyrone Rudy was like world class, one of the best Walter weights on the planet, he was really kind of training himself.

[1377] He was working with different people all over the country, but he didn't have a main head coach.

[1378] He didn't get one until he started training with Duke Rufus.

[1379] So from Duke Rufus on, it's like you're looking at a different fighter.

[1380] He's much better at like relaxing, conserving his energy.

[1381] He doesn't get tired in the later rounds anymore.

[1382] He's much more effective.

[1383] And he also knows not to get sucked in by the crowd, like in the Wonderboy fights in particular.

[1384] Like people were saying it's boring, but you have to fight Wonder Boy that way.

[1385] You can't charge at him.

[1386] If you charge it Wonder Boy, you get lit up.

[1387] You get lit up with these crazy counterstrikes.

[1388] You got to wait for Wonderboy to lead.

[1389] And Wonderboy was leading and Tyron still, again, Wonderboy landed more shots, but Tyrant hurt him way more.

[1390] How did the Kelvin Gasolum fight go with Woodley?

[1391] It was a split decision, right?

[1392] Beat Calvin by a decision.

[1393] It was, you know, a pretty close fight.

[1394] But Calvin, that was the fight where Kelvin didn't make weight.

[1395] He was all fucked up coming into that fight.

[1396] But Woodley won.

[1397] But that was also, I want to say that was like right when he started with Duke, or maybe he started with Duke after that.

[1398] Either way.

[1399] Look at the, like, the Robbie Lawler fight is a good example.

[1400] What he can do, what Woodley can do, is put the best guys in the world out with one shot.

[1401] Guys who nobody puts out.

[1402] Who the fuck puts out Robbie?

[1403] Lawler.

[1404] Robby Lawler gets hit with bombs and survives and Tyrone Woodley put one on him, knocked him out.

[1405] I mean, he can do that to anybody and he can do that to Darren Till too.

[1406] I mean, if Darren Till doesn't think that coming into this fight because he's the more accomplished striker, it's a very dangerous fight for him.

[1407] Woodley's so fucking fast.

[1408] But then again, Darren Till can find his rhythm, establish his distance and start using those kicks, in particular that front leg sidekick, man. He fucks your leg up with that.

[1409] And then his leg kicks and then his leg kicks with combinations and he also, he's real creative with his striking.

[1410] There's a lot of hand movement.

[1411] There's a lot to distract you.

[1412] Maybe Woodley's best strategy would be to just take him down over and over again and try to mount him and try to take his back and try to do some ground and pound.

[1413] Look, man, he's a stud wrestling.

[1414] How hard is there until to take down?

[1415] I don't know.

[1416] It's a good question.

[1417] And how is he on his back?

[1418] That's a good question too.

[1419] You know, what we know about him is he likes to strike.

[1420] Big tall dude likes to strike.

[1421] Nasty striker.

[1422] You know, one of the more impressive things that he did is not the knockout of Cowboy, but when he hit him with that elbow, he hit him with his step -in elbow where I was like, Jesus, the speed of it, man. It's like the smoothness of his closing the distance and the speed of landing that elbow.

[1423] Like he showed Cowboy different distances, and then he, like, he left this opening for that elbow, and he slides in and cracks him with it, and you're like, oh, Jesus.

[1424] Like, here's him against cowboy like see how his hands are down low he's got a lot of movement of his hands but the like that jab comes from the bottom comes from like underneath you don't know like until it's too late whether he's just probing you or whether he's punching you there's a lot of that see a lot of that with the hands and he keeps his chin straight up in the air but he also is really good at moving his head back he's also really used to high level sparring and high level fighting he's an elite guy man and a dangerous kind of weird style in a lot of ways.

[1425] There's a lot.

[1426] See all that hand movement and shit?

[1427] Like, he does a lot of that.

[1428] Shit that you saw in Bruce Lee movies.

[1429] But watch, look at this.

[1430] Boom, to the body.

[1431] I mean, that's nasty, right?

[1432] Like, you start thinking it's coming over the top and it comes to the body.

[1433] Have you heard Hanato La Ranja's impersonation of...

[1434] Of Dutton, Till?

[1435] Oh, dude.

[1436] Yeah, it's hilarious.

[1437] No, Hanato's fucking town.

[1438] He's a talented guy, man. He's a talented guy.

[1439] The MMA world is lucky that we have him.

[1440] He's fucking, let's talk about, like, hilarious inside shit in the world of Jiu -Jitsu and M .A. Like his fake feud with Vinnie Magalais is hilarious.

[1441] That's a real feud, man. They hate each other, trust me. We're on a group text, me, Vinny, and Hennie, and they're just constantly fucking tearing each other apart.

[1442] constantly that's hilarious they hate each other that's so funny man Vinnie Magalais is doing good he's doing great man what is that PFL yeah have you been watching that yeah I watched his fight won by head kick knockout I was like oh shit all of a sudden you got to worry about his head kick is I think that maybe his third head kick knockout you definitely have to worry about it and there's jihitsu's top of the food chains and now he's like really into it and wanting to throw it and wanting to set it up more there's Bing Bing he hits him with that left hand watch this boom and then as he closes in watch his elbow he's closing dang right there oh that's so nasty that is a fucking hard elbow man does he remind you of connor a little bit the way he kind of stands it seems like they kind of have that same style well they have a similar style and that they have their hands spread apart and you know and constantly fainting and a lot of bouncing up and down and back and forth a lot of movement yeah he's not like a plotting guy what did he do He was light on his feet.

[1443] Did he do karate growing up or something?

[1444] Moitai.

[1445] A lot of moitai.

[1446] Since he was a kid?

[1447] Very young.

[1448] I'd have to ask Vinny Shoreman, the full background of him.

[1449] But, you know, Vinny was one of the ones who told me about him, like, a long time ago.

[1450] And told me about him when he's first fighting in the UFC.

[1451] He's like, you've got to watch this guy.

[1452] He's fucking special.

[1453] And he said, you know, in his Liverpool accent, because Vinny's from Liverpool, too.

[1454] He said when the cowboy fight was going on, he's like, like, Cowboy doesn't know what he's in for.

[1455] Like, he thinks he's just going to go in there.

[1456] there and fight this guy and doesn't need to watch tape on him like you have no idea where you're dealing with was was cowboy 100 % in that fight did he have some weight cutting issues or anything like that 170 that was 170 that was 170 did he trained properly for that fight i mean i assume he did he's not saying no i don't know i don't know you know it's just i think cowboy honestly is a 155 or a 160 you know i'm i think there's a lot of fighters that are like that i mean i think cowboy can beat real top guys like matt brown he'd be beat matt brown at 170 he could beat him guys at 170, no doubt.

[1457] But I just think realistically, these guys at 170 are so fucking big that Cowboys more of a 155er.

[1458] Yeah.

[1459] But I think that even 155 hurts him, hurts him to get down there.

[1460] So he's a tweener, you know, like Diego Sanchez, has always been kind of a tweener.

[1461] You know, it's like too small for 170, too big for 155, you know.

[1462] But Diego made it down to 145 once.

[1463] That's crazy.

[1464] That is insane.

[1465] Yeah.

[1466] That's that iron will son.

[1467] And BJ, too.

[1468] He did 170, one.

[1469] 155, 145.

[1470] BJ did heavyweight.

[1471] Remember we fought Leoto Machita?

[1472] Yeah.

[1473] Leoto Machita was like 205, and BJ just ate whatever the fuck he wanted.

[1474] He didn't even step on a scale.

[1475] BJ's back.

[1476] He's going to fight Ryan Hall.

[1477] That's going to be interesting.

[1478] That's good fight.

[1479] That's good fight because Ryan Hall, although he's got good kicks and he's good at keeping guys in the outside.

[1480] He's very smart at using his kicks to set up his jiu -jitsu.

[1481] You know, people who like criticized me for that.

[1482] You pull his guard a lot, too.

[1483] Yep.

[1484] He does.

[1485] that's an interesting fight you know you don't want to see like the Yaira Rodriguez one was tough to watch because you're watching BJ fight a young guy who has a specialty that's like not in BJ's wheelhouse like BJ's never been really a kicker you know like he kicked Diego Sanchez in the head remember he opened up that big cut it was like one of the only head kicks you ever saw BJ throw in his whole career yeah BJ's been more punching and wrestling in Jiu -Jitsu but he's fought Yair, like Yair is like him and Zabit, like that, those tall guys with crazy kicks.

[1486] Yeah.

[1487] Fuck, those are so hard to deal with, man. And B .J. just, it was the wrong fight for him.

[1488] Just not a good fight.

[1489] Didn't make any sense.

[1490] It's hard to watch.

[1491] Watch him get 360 roundhouse kicked in the head.

[1492] You're like, oh.

[1493] Yeah, Yair is striking.

[1494] It's just out of the world.

[1495] That's why I'm so bummed out that he got hurt.

[1496] Yajir versus Zabit would have been crazy.

[1497] That would have been crazy.

[1498] That's probably the craziest striking matchup.

[1499] Well, real, I mean, one of, for sure.

[1500] Who throws crazierer strikes than Yai 'er?

[1501] Nobody.

[1502] Zabit can throw all that same shit.

[1503] But Yaiir just, you know.

[1504] Cartwheel kicks.

[1505] He just constantly.

[1506] Yep.

[1507] At a high frequency, he just keeps throwing him.

[1508] Yeah.

[1509] It's incredible.

[1510] The thing about him, though, is that like when you watch the Frankie Edgar fight, you're like, hmm, okay, that can be shut down.

[1511] like that can be really shut down he didn't have an answer when it was shut down so he's which means in my mind that his game is so heavily favored that looseness openness and kickness kicking crazy you know wild kicking that it's it's imbalanced right in the sense that he's got to put almost the same amount of effort to fighting off of his back if he put the if he developed a unbelievable guard game the match his unbelievable kicking game holy shit I mean then you'd have an incredible He's messing around with rubber guard.

[1512] I bet he is.

[1513] Yeah, he should.

[1514] He's messing around with it.

[1515] Look, it makes sense.

[1516] The best kickers, like, that's one of the things that Pettus is realizing now.

[1517] Pettus has kind of stopped concentrating so much on wrestling.

[1518] And he said, what I got to get back to doing is fighting.

[1519] And when I'm at my best, he was saying, is using his striking.

[1520] And then when he goes to the ground, trying to submit people.

[1521] Don't try to stop takedowns.

[1522] Don't try to take people down.

[1523] Forget all that.

[1524] So he's going back to what got him there.

[1525] You think about, like, his Benson -Henderson fight, won by Arm Bar, I mean, Gilbert Melendez fight, wins by guillotine, takes his time on the feet, does all his creative shit on the feet.

[1526] But if someone takes him down, he tries to submit him immediately.

[1527] He jumps on shit.

[1528] I think that's the, that's an interesting combination.

[1529] You know, that's why I'm so interested in that fight with him and Tony, because Tony's so wild.

[1530] Yeah, Tony does the same thing.

[1531] Yeah.

[1532] The one thing you've got to watch out with Tony's.

[1533] He has so much firepower from so many different angles on the ground, but, I mean, he knows, he knows a lot, a lot.

[1534] There's so much he could tap you with.

[1535] But his dars game is so high level, and he could get it from so many angles that really, I think the most dangerous thing would be, you know, are guys that are just focused on one thing, and especially since he hits those darses from.

[1536] every goddamn angle you know if he came out and just said whatever happens we're always looking for the darts he was in trouble in that uh landauvinata fight and boom he just put him in a dars and that saved the day you know what i mean so there's a there's a lot of different ways tony can make you tap on the ground trust me he knows so much uh but man if he just stuck with his dars game man that that's probably the most dangerous way to go on the ground you know so It's an interesting fight, man. Interesting fight, you know.

[1537] Pettis is a nasty kicker.

[1538] There's a lot of great things in that fight.

[1539] Yeah, that's a good one.

[1540] Now, that's on that card?

[1541] That's on that card?

[1542] Is that on the same card?

[1543] It's on Connor Cabee.

[1544] Oh, yeah.

[1545] Yeah.

[1546] What else is on that card?

[1547] Pull up that Connor Kabib card.

[1548] Who else is fighting on that card?

[1549] Do you know?

[1550] It's only a month away.

[1551] I don't know.

[1552] It's got off top of my head.

[1553] I know sugar is Sean O'Malley.

[1554] Can you put it up right now.

[1555] Yeah.

[1556] I like Sean O'Malley.

[1557] he's a fun dude man had him in here we got barbecued oh deris derrick lewis alexander volkov oh that's an interesting fight that volkov guy might be the dark horse he might be the guy in the heavyweight division waiting in the wings you know karate haughty versus felice is going to be good yeah yeah that's a good one yeah um yeah i'm i'm interested in The Ferguson fight for sure, the Pettus Ferguson fight, but the Lewis Volkov fight, man. That one I'm like, huh?

[1558] That Volkov guy, did you see what he did for Recy Over Doom?

[1559] When you watch that fight, you go, oh, Jesus Christ.

[1560] If that guy could do that, he stopped Fabrizzi Over Doom.

[1561] He beat the shit out of him before he stopped him.

[1562] Who's the Russian guy who puts dudes in Ezekiel chokes while he's being mounted?

[1563] Who's that down?

[1564] Olynick, right?

[1565] That guy is awesome.

[1566] Alexi Olynick, yeah.

[1567] He gets mounted.

[1568] in Ezekiel's dudes He does it from everyone From while he's being mounted Yeah Jean Jacques does that too That is so crazy But to do that in MMA with the gloves on It's like unheard of Unbelievable Yeah While being mounted Putting people to sleep That's just like You think you ever gonna see that again I think he has the ability to do it No but I mean from other people Do you think that that would be something that people start adopting If Fighters put the time in you know, all submissions are possible.

[1569] You just got to put a lot of time into it.

[1570] You've got to get obsessed with it.

[1571] Yeah, but that's one that's like, wow.

[1572] Yeah.

[1573] What are the odds of that one working a lot?

[1574] One guy's been able to pull it off.

[1575] Who else has been able to pull it off?

[1576] Who else has been able to pull it?

[1577] Yeah.

[1578] I've seen him do it twice.

[1579] Yeah.

[1580] Twice?

[1581] I've seen him do it twice.

[1582] I haven't seen the third one, but I've seen two of them.

[1583] There's standing guillotine chokes.

[1584] So who got a standing guillotine?

[1585] This is a five -minute compilation of them.

[1586] I don't know.

[1587] There's a lot of them, apparently.

[1588] Oh.

[1589] Standing guillotine.

[1590] Yeah, but this is not what we're talking about, though.

[1591] We're talking about, it's called an Ezekiel, mounted Ezekiel.

[1592] Jamie, we just making up some missions over here.

[1593] Standing Giazisian is pretty common.

[1594] M .A, Ezekiel, EZ, E -Z, E -E -E -I -K -E -E -L.

[1595] Isn't Ezekiel the dude from the Bible?

[1596] It is.

[1597] The guy from the Bible that saw the UFO.

[1598] Oh, yeah, that was the first ever one in the UFC.

[1599] That one in the UFC, yes.

[1600] But Ezekiel chokes in M -M -A.

[1601] Just Google chokes in M -M -A.

[1602] What's the guy's name?

[1603] That's the only one?

[1604] I mean, the top five videos are just him doing it.

[1605] Oh, he's done it more than...

[1606] How many times has he done it?

[1607] It's all him.

[1608] Oh, the same fight?

[1609] Oh, the one fight.

[1610] Play it just so we'll watch it again.

[1611] It's pretty crazy.

[1612] It's crazy that someone can figure out a way to do something that no one has ever done before in 2018.

[1613] So he gets the headlock.

[1614] Look at that.

[1615] And then he's just holding on.

[1616] And then he slides it in deeper.

[1617] And then this dude's fucked.

[1618] Look at it.

[1619] tapping that is so crazy yeah that is so crazy he just clenches on your head that dude looks so disappointed he's like how the fuck did i get tapped here he just clenches on that neck and then just slips it in he thought he had this one in the bag mm -hmm full mount it's like i got this motherfucker in full mount yeah he's gonna be he's thinking about the after party and everything yeah alexi olinik that's a bad motherfucker it's interesting how many people that we're seeing right now from Russia, you know, from the former Soviet Union, Eastern Bloc countries.

[1620] It's really amazing.

[1621] I mean, Zabit, Nirmikamatov, you know, you can keep going down the line.

[1622] There's so many of these guys that are coming up.

[1623] It's really, what a hotbed of talent, especially Dagestan.

[1624] I mean, how many bad motherfuckers come out of Dagestan?

[1625] Yeah.

[1626] Zabit versus, I mean, Habib versus Connor.

[1627] Like, holy shit, is that fight interesting?

[1628] What the fuck is going to happen there?

[1629] If it really happens, you know what I mean?

[1630] You don't think he's going to happen?

[1631] Don't say that.

[1632] Son of a bitch.

[1633] Look at him there.

[1634] I mean, how weird is it looking at Connor with no belt, Khabib with the belt?

[1635] I mean, forever Khabib was trying to get a shot at that belt.

[1636] And the way he won it.

[1637] Crazy shit, man. Setting up this fight.

[1638] This fight is a fucking interesting fight, man, because if Connor can't stop that takedown, does he go the way of everybody else does he get mauled the way everybody else got mauled does he get mauled the way michael johnson got mauled does he get mauled the way dos a saños got mauled uh chandler oh not chandler a johnson michael johnson yeah we said johnson edson barboza he got mauled the way barboza got mauled was scary because like halfway into the first round kabib's taking him down and you see Barbosa just taking a deep breath like this, like, like, realize, like, oh, no. Yeah.

[1639] Like, what in the fuck is all this about?

[1640] It's worse than I imagined.

[1641] Yeah, this is just a completely different thing.

[1642] Really, I mean, no doubt, Connor probably has the heaviest hands in the game, pound for pound.

[1643] No doubt.

[1644] But take down defense and fighting off your back, that has nothing to do with the power.

[1645] It doesn't translate it all.

[1646] So what is it going to look like?

[1647] Is his take -down defense better than Michael Johnson's?

[1648] Is his takedown defense better than Edson Barbosa?

[1649] Or Al Iquinto, who's a wrestler.

[1650] Yeah.

[1651] I mean, Al -stuffed his takedowns a couple times in the first round.

[1652] Yeah.

[1653] But, you know, Al is a really good wrestler.

[1654] Yeah.

[1655] And how good is Connors?

[1656] It's a good question.

[1657] Man, what if he gets...

[1658] What if he gets tired?

[1659] What if he gets taken down easier than all those other guys?

[1660] you don't know right you know what I mean he's got Dylan Dennis in his corner Dylan is a I think he wrestled in high school and um I'm not too sure he brought in some Olympic caliber wrestler for his camp who did Connor brought in some some super high level wrestler for his camp a famous one mm -hmm yeah James can find it a UFC fighter I don't believe he's a UFC fighter It's Kyle Snyder.

[1661] Say it again?

[1662] Is it Kyle Snyder?

[1663] Does it say that?

[1664] It says he offered to help him.

[1665] I don't know if that's who he really brought in.

[1666] I don't know who he brought in.

[1667] But I know that there's some talk about him bringing in some super high -level wrestler.

[1668] This says that Jordan Burroughs is not working with Connor, which that may be who you're talking about.

[1669] Could be.

[1670] Well, that would be one who you would want to work with you.

[1671] That would be someone who you would get asked.

[1672] But Jordan Burroughs is probably fucking busy.

[1673] And has he expressed an interest in fighting in M .A.?

[1674] Because if he does, there's a lot of people that are fucked.

[1675] He tweeted out on the 13th of August.

[1676] I'm not working with Connor.

[1677] I'm attempting to win a world championship of my own in October.

[1678] It doesn't say.

[1679] Wrestling.

[1680] Yeah, didn't say it.

[1681] Yeah, okay.

[1682] Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

[1683] Like, he probably doesn't have time to help someone with a camp like that.

[1684] Especially, like, at this point, he's taken off right now.

[1685] If he ever decides to go into MMA, like, ew, yikes.

[1686] Yeah.

[1687] Yeah.

[1688] I wonder what's going to happen in that fight.

[1689] I just don't know whether or not Khabib's going to be able to close the distance without getting hit, whether Connor's going to be able to stay.

[1690] on the outside long enough, whether Khabib's going to come at him, like, with reckless abandon, the way he did with Edson Barbosa.

[1691] I mean, he just stormed after Barbosa, just walked him down.

[1692] Yeah.

[1693] Is he going to be able to do that with Connor, or is he going to get a clip coming in?

[1694] I mean, is he going to be able to fade that left hand?

[1695] Is he going to be able to stop that?

[1696] And if Connor could just keep him from taking him down a couple of times in the first round, just a couple of times, just enough to put a little bit of doubt, get a little bit of that shit talking going, and land a couple of good punches.

[1697] or does Kabib just grab them early rag doll boom side control elbows punch neon belly punch punch punch punch punch elbow punch do we just see a mauling it's interesting you know it's it could go either way like I see this this one of those weird fights where I don't know what the fuck's going to happen but I don't think we're going to see like some crazy drawn out five round fight I definitely could be wrong but I think we're going to see like one person dominate whether it's whoever figures out how to impose their game, whether it's Connor can dominate on the feed or Khabib can dominate on the ground.

[1698] You think that'll be the biggest pay -per -view ever?

[1699] It's going to be huge.

[1700] It's going to be so big.

[1701] How could it not be the biggest one?

[1702] It'll be giant.

[1703] Connor's the biggest star, right?

[1704] The only thing that's going to hold it back is mainstream knowledge of it because there's not a lot of press because Conner's not doing a lot of stuff.

[1705] It's not like in the news a lot.

[1706] Like how many of these regular people know that Connor's going to fight?

[1707] You never see it on Instagram?

[1708] You know, any...

[1709] I mean, you see if you follow UFC pages.

[1710] If you and I see it, you and I see it, we follow MMA pages, but...

[1711] Fuck, man. Is Khabib doing interviews?

[1712] Is he talking?

[1713] I have no idea.

[1714] I don't know.

[1715] That means no, man. If you don't know?

[1716] Yeah, I don't know.

[1717] I mean, I haven't seen much.

[1718] I mean, I've seen some video footage of him training at AKA.

[1719] The whole thing's crazy, man. So, so, I mean, I'm just...

[1720] I'm crossing toes.

[1721] I'm crossing everything.

[1722] Just please let this one go down.

[1723] please I can't imagine someone getting injured I'd be so I wouldn't mind if someone got injured I'd be so sad well you wouldn't because Tony would jump in and it would still be a great and it's still going to be a great fight either way either way that guaranteed there's going to be some serious shit either Tony versus Kabib Tony versus Connor or Connor versus Kabee I think Tony is one of the more dangerous fights for Connor because first of all his durability his endurance is crazy his ability to fight from anywhere can he fights real good standing up he puts a pace on you doesn't mind getting hit always walking forward always walking forward and walking people down if you you hit him you can hit him and hurt him doesn't matter he survives he survives he survives finds a way survive and one little scramble clinch on the ground and there's a dars right there i don't know if the lando vina fight is totally fair because i you know i mean people look at that and they go it is fair but i mean i think that was a last minute fight am i right he didn't really have a training camp for that one i don't know if it was because it was a last minute fight Why don't I believe it was last minute?

[1724] He was, I'm not too sure.

[1725] All I know, I don't know what happened in that training camp, but it wasn't a legit training camp for Tony.

[1726] I'm not making excuses, but that's what happened.

[1727] Also, one of the reasons why I don't know if you could look at that, like people are looking at the right way, because I think Lando is way more talented than people give him credit for.

[1728] Exactly.

[1729] I think so too.

[1730] Yeah, I think in moments in his fights, he's just brilliant.

[1731] And I think then he gets tired sometimes and he has moments where he fades off and then moments where he's in these crazy wild slug fests.

[1732] Like the Bobby Green fight's a great example of that.

[1733] You watch the first round.

[1734] The first round, he looks smooth as silk, man. I mean, he just looks fantastic.

[1735] He looks like a world beater.

[1736] But he tapers off.

[1737] He fades a little bit.

[1738] And I don't know what that is.

[1739] I'm not sure what's causing him to fade.

[1740] But I think that at his best, when he hits those real high notes like he did in the Tony fight he's fucking dangerous man anybody who sleeps on Lando is in real trouble he's super athletic he does wild shit he's real creative knocked out John McDessie with a fucking wheel kick I mean whoa he does wild shit man and he moves good dude he's got an interesting kind of way of moving and he's not afraid to scrap and that not being afraid to scrap makes him dangerous but also makes him vulnerable which I think has cost him a little bit But I think a big one is the endurance.

[1741] You know, there's some people out there, like the guy that's working with T .J. Dilleshaw.

[1742] What is his name?

[1743] The guy down in Southern California, down near San Diego.

[1744] Calavita, is that his name?

[1745] What does he teach?

[1746] Strength and conditioning coaches.

[1747] Oh, okay.

[1748] What's his name?

[1749] I don't know.

[1750] I'll text T .J. See, just Google T .J. Dilashaw, new strength and conditioning.

[1751] program these guys the like the nick cursons and the sam calavita sam calavita that guy was he if you watched the preparation videos for tj getting ready for cody dill shot you see him doing all this wild shit man everyone's doing all these explosive crazy movements just like back when um we saw when bj was at his best when um marinovitch was training him yeah and you know curseon comes from that's cool too, you know, that learning under the Marinoviches, but that kind of crazy pliometric training, all this explosive shit that they're doing box jumps and crazy things with medicine balls and slamming things and jumping back and forth and back and forth, these guys getting phenomenal shape, man. Yeah.

[1752] And I think that's imperative today.

[1753] I think today, it's almost like it's not, when guys are getting ready for a fight, and this is one of the thing that Nick Curzon has said, it's, you already know how to fight.

[1754] Like, literally, everything should be focused on your gas tank.

[1755] Like you only have six weeks If you don't know how to fight You're not going to learn in six weeks You know how to fight Six weeks should be just crazy gas tank work And when he gets guys Like like Dosanjos When he fought cowboy When he gets a hold of guys And you see that style Like when Dosangios fought pedis When he's got that incredible kind of cardio That's so hard to fuck with man Yeah you know the pommel horse Is that how you say The pommel horse In gymnastics?

[1756] It's pommel right Pomel one of those things Well, in order to do that, you have to do this exercise where you put your feet.

[1757] There's like a chain hanging and it's got like a weightlifting belt and you put your feet in, your ankles, and you start doing it on that.

[1758] And it just spins like.

[1759] Oh, wow.

[1760] And Tony's obsessed with it.

[1761] Nobody can do it.

[1762] Like Jeremiah, Jeremy, Chai, I bring in a bunch of Tenth Planet Black Belt's in and no one can even kind of do it.

[1763] Well, can't Geo do it?

[1764] It seems like Geo and Richie would be able to do it.

[1765] hasn't come to Tony's camp he's he's he's two hours away it's too hard for him but um but those guys because they're break dancing background yeah yeah yeah that's that's what he's he's really getting into gymnastics right now Tony he's he's trying to take his fighting well that was giant for george st pierre yeah when gsp started getting into gymnastics you know and uh watching my daughter do it and watching like the amount of physical strength that it takes to do like hand springs back flips and all that it's all explosion you know and being able to control you know and being able to control control yourself on the bars and the rings.

[1766] I mean, the amount of physical strength that you have to have to be able to do that, that applies directly to Jiu -Jitsu.

[1767] You're thinking about putting some gymnastics equipment up?

[1768] Dude, I got rings already.

[1769] Oh, really?

[1770] I got rings in the back.

[1771] Oh, shit.

[1772] You're going to try to do...

[1773] Iron Man, or what's it called?

[1774] Iron Cross?

[1775] I don't know if I could do that.

[1776] I'm too fat.

[1777] I'll hold it out like that.

[1778] I don't know, man. But it's great, it's great to, like, for rotation, like as you're doing a chin -up, you know about grabbing it like this and then as you're as you're doing a chin up rotating in so i rotate my arms with the rings as i'm doing chin ups i like that a lot i feel like it gives me more of a range of motion than just a bar i like doing chin ups on the bar too but i think that especially like as i get older like range of motion is very important to not lose that i see a lot of people they lose their range of motion because they're not working on their stretching they're not working on do they just do a lot of meathead shit and they don't work on keeping their mobility at a high level you know that's why another thing that i like is stretching out in the sauna you ever stretch out in the sauna man i haven't done a sauna thing in a while anytime you want some come back we'll have some fun conversations in the sauna but getting in the sauna man and just you get superheated up and then just start stretching out like everything's loose and warmed up You can just pull things into better positions and just give everything like a stretch.

[1779] You're still doing hot yoga?

[1780] All the time.

[1781] Love it.

[1782] I got to get back into it now.

[1783] Now that my shoulders, I think my shoulder could hang with yoga right now.

[1784] Yeah, just don't put any pressure on it.

[1785] You want to go with me?

[1786] You want to go with me in my class.

[1787] Let's do it.

[1788] Let's do it.

[1789] What days do you go?

[1790] It doesn't go too early, do.

[1791] Depends.

[1792] Yeah, I do like early.

[1793] Like what's early?

[1794] I don't want to say.

[1795] I'll tell you off.

[1796] Don't tell me no, no, six a. I want people show up.

[1797] Five a. Oh, no, no. We've got to go in the dark, dude.

[1798] That's what's up.

[1799] We do that Kundalini.

[1800] Fuck that.

[1801] Go to downtown LA.

[1802] The place where Denny used to go.

[1803] That Kunilini, you know, where you get that DMT trip.

[1804] Like four in the morning.

[1805] Yeah, they get crazy.

[1806] They headbang.

[1807] You see them headbanging?

[1808] I've heard about it.

[1809] Yeah, I've witnessed it.

[1810] Yeah.

[1811] Like serious headbanging.

[1812] Like Metallica style headbanging.

[1813] There's too many people that say that you could trip balls.

[1814] Yeah.

[1815] You're trying to shake out the DMT.

[1816] Demons.

[1817] I get demons out.

[1818] We should get out of here.

[1819] Anything else?

[1820] Anything else going on?

[1821] EBI 17 coming up.

[1822] When's that?

[1823] September 29th.

[1824] And in three weeks, damn, I'm going to be in Toronto.

[1825] At Muscle Farm, HQ, and Burbank.

[1826] It's going to be the first 16 man. Twitter permanently bans Alex Jones and Info Wars accounts.

[1827] The accounts violated the company's abusive behavior policies.

[1828] Twitter said it in a series of tweets.

[1829] The ban comes weeks after Jones was banned or suspended.

[1830] Well, anyways, September 29th is 16 -man, 16 -man combat jiu -jitsu.

[1831] So, EBI is just turning into combat.

[1832] And this is downtown L .A. again?

[1833] No, no, this is Muscle Farm H .Q. in Burbank.

[1834] Oh, beautiful facility.

[1835] That's an amazing place.

[1836] Oh, yeah.

[1837] Oh, yeah.

[1838] It's, dude, Jesse Taylor's in it from the UFC.

[1839] Three -time Black Belt World Champion Felipe Fogelin is in it.

[1840] One of my, one of the fastest rising 10 planet stars.

[1841] John Thor Blank is in it.

[1842] Kyle Chambers, who's also one of the best 10th Planet guys coming up.

[1843] It's going to be a slap fest, man. Slap Fest.

[1844] Combat Jitsu, if you haven't seen it, is Eddie Bravo's invention.

[1845] It's the best gap between grappling and MMA training as far as I'm concerned.

[1846] Thank you, man. My man. Fun time.

[1847] Thanks for doing this today.

[1848] Thank you, dude.

[1849] We'll have Daniel Carmier on eventually.

[1850] He fucked up today.

[1851] Can I plug a couple comedy dates?

[1852] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1853] Niagara Falls, tinfoil hat, tinfoil hat comedy at Niagara Fall, September, 14th, 15th, and then Philly, October 12, Syracuse, October 14th, and Houston, November 3rd, Austin, November 4th.

[1854] Just tell them what website to go to, so they don't have to forget this.

[1855] At Eddie Bravo, 10P.

[1856] On Instagram.

[1857] On Instagram.

[1858] Thank you.

[1859] And Toronto, we're moving out of venue.

[1860] It was supposed to be the RICO Coliseum.

[1861] Now it's going to be the Scotia Bank Arena.

[1862] Oh, shit.

[1863] It's because of a union dispute.

[1864] We talked about this before.

[1865] I'm not crossing any union picket lines So we move to a new venue Is it bigger?

[1866] Yeah, it's bigger But it's also a union venue It's just that they don't have a problem with their contract Or it's not the same dispute So I think it's the same union in fact But when we go When everybody from the old tickets Gets their new tickets Then we'll sell There's 1 ,200 more tickets for this new place So that'll be within the next A couple days I'm hoping All right, Joe Rogan .com for all that shit Bye Thank you.