#409 - Patrick Magee

[0] I have a show Thursday.

[1] Was that all the, but that was all those things.

[2] Yeah, you got a show Thursday at the American Comedy Company, one of the best new clubs in the country, folks.

[3] For the longest time, Brian and I, and everybody really said, God damn it, why doesn't the fucking San Diego area have another comedy club?

[4] Because it was like only the La Jolla Comedy Store back in the day, like way back in the day.

[5] And then there's American Comedy Company, and what's the other one that's there down there to?

[6] Mad House.

[7] Matt House.

[8] Yeah, that place is really nice also.

[9] Yeah, those are, they're like real comedy clubs, Like, San Diego's got real comedy now.

[10] And then, of course, always La Jolla.

[11] So, but the American Comedy Company is a sweet spot.

[12] It's like the perfect -shaped comedy club.

[13] It's small.

[14] It's packed in.

[15] You only get, like, 200 people in there, and it's a low ceiling.

[16] It's fucking awesome.

[17] It's a great place.

[18] And this show on Halloween night, so if you're a normal person, not a weirdo like me with kids, you know, one of them breeders, it's got to go walking around begging for candy.

[19] Yeah.

[20] Normal people are looking for shit to do.

[21] It's an awesome show and a lot of funny guys, including, I do, do candy.

[22] I can't say his names.

[23] I can't say people's names because they have local gigs before that that they're promoting.

[24] Yeah, there's a headliner that I can't say his name.

[25] Very funny guy, though.

[26] A good friend of ours.

[27] Been on our podcast many times.

[28] But Brody Stephen's going to be there.

[29] Tony Hinchcliff, Billy Bonell, Dean Deloree, Sam Tripoli.

[30] It's, we're just going to, it's going to be a Halloween party.

[31] We're going to have a lot of fun.

[32] Yeah, and a lot of fun guys.

[33] So go there, check that out, American Comedy Company.

[34] And this weekend, I'm at the Irvine Improv.

[35] All right.

[36] That's it.

[37] Pressing music.

[38] Pat McGee's here.

[39] We're going to talk about how to scare the fuck out of you.

[40] The Joe Rogan Experience.

[41] Train by day.

[42] Joe Rogan podcast by night all day.

[43] All right.

[44] Pat McGee's here.

[45] And if you've ever heard people come in the studio and say, what the fuck, man?

[46] What's that thing from the werewolf that's in the front that greets people when they open the door?

[47] It's Pat McGee's creation.

[48] And I saw Pat's work online.

[49] everybody listens, knows them.

[50] I've always been a werewolf dork since I was a little kid.

[51] And the idea that I could actually get a fucking full -size werewolf like that and that I can get a guy like you to make it.

[52] To me, I was happier than a little kid who, like, when school got out for the summer, I was so pumped up.

[53] And the thing is amazing.

[54] I put a million pictures of it up on Instagram.

[55] But every time people come in, it's the coolest thing to have at the door.

[56] Like, as soon as they open it up.

[57] Thank you.

[58] They see your work.

[59] That's why I made it.

[60] I mean, ever since I was seven years old, I wanted to have one of those myself.

[61] So that's what pushed me to make this.

[62] Is that the ultimate monster in a movie?

[63] For me, absolutely.

[64] I saw that movie when I was seven and scared the heck out of me and haunted me. So I had to find out, you know, you're always told monsters aren't real.

[65] So, okay, it must have been made by somebody and I found out who made it.

[66] And I, you know, felt like, okay, I got to get into this.

[67] had the exact same path when I was a kid I deviated from it somewhere along the line but I had always been an illustrator it always drew a lot of comic book stuff and that's what I wanted to do for a living I wanted to be a comic book artist and then somewhere along the line I saw Star Wars and I was like holy file like fuck drawing like I need to learn how to make a mask like that like the canteen scene in Star Wars and I read about it because I used to buy all those magazines on special effects and I read about it, and, you know, they were talking about how Rick Baker just basically used a bunch of masks that he had laying around and put him on people and, you know, hook people up.

[68] But I remember watching that scene when the thing's snarling at them.

[69] It doesn't move at all.

[70] You know, it's so crude in comparison to today the way the thing looks.

[71] It's like, ah, it's so fucking fake looking.

[72] But back then, I was blown away.

[73] I was like, this is, what a great job to be able to create King Kong, to be able to create a werewolf.

[74] Yeah, a whole generation.

[75] was affected by that stuff he's the best right is he is he the like the Richard prior Richard Rick Baker he's the man is he the Rick he's the Richard prior of like the guys that everybody bows down to I'd even say he's the Michael Jordan whoa yeah wow he found a way to make Benicio del Toro's Wolfman scary yeah that worked well it worked the movie was a piece of poo but it worked yeah absolutely but it was so fun It was too bad that the movie, like, the story wasn't compelling or the way it was put together.

[76] What didn't click for whatever reason?

[77] Because the scenes with the actual wolfman itself are fucking wicked.

[78] You know, it's an interesting kind of wolfman.

[79] Sure.

[80] Like the scene when he turns, when he's in front of all the scientists.

[81] Brian, see if you can find that shit on YouTube.

[82] It's Benicio D 'Otero turns into a werewolf.

[83] It's a great scene.

[84] It's one of the best werewolf transformation scenes ever.

[85] But the movie was so poo that nobody can.

[86] cared it's just like it cut it kind of like dismissed once anthony hopkins transformed it kind of it was like wait a minute what and he was so and also like you know what it freaks me on about wherewolves when they gain mass yeah like where's that mass coming from yeah okay i'm not a fucking scientist but i've you know i've read enough neil degross tyson well yeah nowadays is that the theory is let's make it you know 13 feet every every movie they're about a foot taller and a hundred pounds heavier how's it so big isn't it made out of a person i mean A person has to eat food to get bigger.

[87] You can't just get bigger, dummy.

[88] You can't just make mass out of nothing.

[89] You can't make mass out of voodoo.

[90] That shit drives me crazy.

[91] I know I'm supposed to have suspension of disbelief when I'm watching a fucking Wolfman movie especially.

[92] Sure.

[93] But for me, for whatever.

[94] This is not the scene.

[95] Benici del Toro in, there's one, he's in a hospital or like a, it's actually a place where the university studies, like a medical school.

[96] See if you can find it.

[97] Because he's strapped to a chair.

[98] and all these doctors are talking about how insane he is because he thinks he's going to turn into a wolf and then he tells him he's going to kill them all.

[99] That's fucking awesome.

[100] It's all at like 10 at night because they all should be there at 10.

[101] Well, that's what they did back then.

[102] No, that's not it, man. How dare you?

[103] Those old ones.

[104] But that was actually what inspired it.

[105] It's funny that you put that on because that's what actually inspired the look that Rick Baker tried for in the Benicio del Toro one.

[106] Who was the guy that was the main guy back then that was doing like the wolf man and the old...

[107] Jack Pierce.

[108] Jack Pierce.

[109] Yeah, this is.

[110] Slow down a little so you can see it.

[111] Yeah, but put it in real time.

[112] Well, no, no, I mean the videos.

[113] No, put in real time, though.

[114] A lot of that's now computer graphics here.

[115] Yeah, I'll have to find it.

[116] Most of it, right?

[117] Yeah.

[118] It looks like the Hobbit.

[119] There's like a subtle thing where you can kind of tell, like right there.

[120] That looks fake as fuck.

[121] And it's funny is like, yeah, they made his eyes go yellow and then they put Benicio.

[122] They have a shot of Benicio as Benicio with his brown eyes.

[123] Yeah, isn't it funny how you can just, you can see when things are fake?

[124] It's like still, like this is really good.

[125] I mean, the computer graphics that they do.

[126] Put a volume up so we can hear what this guy's saying, too.

[127] I love the scene.

[128] But there's like something like the I Am legend thing.

[129] Well, you know when something's not real.

[130] It's not really there.

[131] The physics are off on the, you know, the movement.

[132] And the weight that they have.

[133] That's always been my argument and Duncan Trussles as well about the Patterson Bigfoot footage.

[134] is that it looks like a man I smell a man Like it's moving like a man I've seen gorillas walk I've seen chimps walk I've seen orangutan's walk I've seen baboons walk They all have their own little thing Where it looks like that thing But when I watch that big foot I'm like that's a guy That's not a different new primate That's a regular dude That's a dude in a stupid fucking monkey suit Well And it could be a guy that Or an ape that's more manlike You know Could be It's possible which would suggest the walking like a man. Yeah, it is always possible.

[135] I mean, it's always possible that a guy who went to jail for writing a bad check to pay for the very camera that he used to film the Bigfoot footage that he said he was going to hoax that he told people and that a guy whose name is Bob Hieronymus that he hired to do this looks exactly like Bigfoot, walks like Bigfoot.

[136] Have you ever seen the video of the two of them walking side by side?

[137] No. It's hilarious.

[138] Guy looks exactly like him.

[139] But it would be pretty ironic if it was a real Bigfoot footage but it was captured by a con man That actually would be kind of a cool scene for a movie Sure Like nobody would believe Because this guy's been crying wolf His whole life Bullshitting people And you know con men in the 1960s Were very fucking crude By the time they were 30 Everybody knew they were a con man You know the word gets out When you're wearing a fucking monkey suit Pretend you're a mythical creature Wandering through the woods When you saw that dude Is there ever a time When you look to that and go that's real for sure no never how the fake does it look in your expert opinion it's the footage is so grainy and tough so I mean technically from the artistic standpoint it's tough to really get a good look at it but just the profile with the size of the belly I mean it's it's well done especially for its time yeah and it's got that you know cool shaky camera look that really helps sell it and the camera falls I think at the end or the he picks it up at the beginning so I mean it feels right It feels right until it slowed down Yeah, and then you start analyzing it And of course you can pick it all apart Yeah, see when you look at it through the shaky camera You're like, holy shit Like back in the 70s like when In Search of was on TV That's all we saw We saw this and we're like Oh my God, I thought it was real for sure When I was a kid I was like They said it on TV They said it's a big foot The guy got a big foot But then when you watch it like slowed down And then enhanced And then you look at how little detail You're really seeing Like everything's all flush like everything's like bright like the leaves and trees it's all almost white like there's no detail at all sure so you're pretending that you see all this detail in this monkey suit but ignoring the fact you can't see the fucking trees you know where's he going he's very nonchalant about it too it's a girl supposedly oh where's she going um she's gonna go get some dicks bigfoot dick it's off in the woods there's like kind of nonchalant like oh i got spotted okay i'm off the lunch like you know There's no real purpose to the movement Look at this thing To me There's like some moments Where she picks her feet up Or it or he Bob Hieronymus And the bottom of the feet It's fucking shoes man How being worn big feet Big rubber feet like that You got to really throw your legs up higher And it's definitely apparent And that was one of the things That they said That the gate was off It was hilarious I was talking to this expert When I was doing the sci -fi show He was arguing to death with me about this He was like the average gait of a human being It was like nine degrees But the big foot is like 25 degrees I go oh you mean you would have had to do this And then I started walking around like Bigfoot I'm like what the fuck man Like you're supposed to be a scientist Like you're crazy That's a guy in a suit But it's like a crypto zoological Jesus Like you're not supposed to fuck With the Patterson Gimland footage They all believe it I have not talked to one of those dudes Who are like crazy Bigfoot fanatics Who think it's a hoax Wow They also fucking want to believe.

[140] I got so high once, I believed, for 15 whole minutes.

[141] I thought for a second, and we were at the ice house, and we were doing a comedy show, and then we started talking shit, and we played the footage, and we were so baked.

[142] I was looking at the video, and I was like, oh, my God, what if it's real?

[143] And I'm just an asshole.

[144] What if it's real?

[145] And this whole time, I've been denying, like, the greatest discovery in crypto -zoological history, and I'm just being a dick.

[146] But then I sobered up.

[147] Well, you know, it's like wanting to, you know, believe in real monsters.

[148] I mean, the Loch Ness Monster is another one.

[149] I mean, every culture has one.

[150] The Loch Ness Monster's got to be the biggest pussy of all time because he never kills anybody.

[151] How do you get to be a monster?

[152] It's like calling a whale a monster.

[153] They just become missing people because they're taken under the water.

[154] Do you see Bobcat Goldwaite's movie?

[155] No. It's called Woody Creek.

[156] And it's all, what's it called Woody Creek?

[157] Is that what it is?

[158] Hollow.

[159] Willow Creek?

[160] Willow Creek.

[161] Make sure that's right.

[162] Google that shit.

[163] But it's a great movie It's about Bigfoot He did like a Blair Witch Project movie About Bigfoot You know like that style Like people that went looking for Bigfoot It's fucking fun man It's Bobcat Goldthwaite Is bananas about Bigfoot Totally believes He's so rational too He believes in the Patterson footage We were talking I was like Bobcat Goldthwait How dare you How dare you Bobcat Goldthwaite I respect you so much You don't think that's a guy In a monkey suit?

[164] That's weird.

[165] Your opinion, though, your expert opinion, what is that?

[166] What are we looking at?

[167] For the Patterson footage?

[168] Just for the record.

[169] What are we looking at?

[170] A man in a suit.

[171] A man in a suit.

[172] 100 %, right?

[173] 99%.

[174] Jesus Christ.

[175] He's a fucking special effects expert.

[176] And these knuckleheads are like, there's ways that the legs move that you just can't do with the human frame.

[177] They want to convince themselves so bad that a con man figured out, how to find Bigfoot and did it in like a day.

[178] I never believed.

[179] I never, I did.

[180] I don't think anyone really believes in it.

[181] Oh yeah, I did.

[182] I did, but I was young as I got older.

[183] I probably believed deep into my 30s.

[184] You know, I probably never looked into it until I was like 30, you know?

[185] And then I probably was like, wait a minute, what?

[186] And then I started really looking into it, you know?

[187] Because I remember like when before the internet came along shows like in search of things like that.

[188] You just sort of got this like cursory idea of what a, subject was about, whether there was, you know, any, any weirdness.

[189] You got like a real quick glance.

[190] And then it was up to you to go to work.

[191] You know, you'd go to a buy a book, go to a library, look into it, try to figure out what the fuck it's all about.

[192] But if you had questions about Bigfoot, good fucking luck.

[193] What do you do?

[194] There was no online.

[195] So how are you going to find out what's true or not true?

[196] And if you see something on TV that's showing you, that's why, like the responsibility back then for delivering the news was so much more important than the responsibility today.

[197] And I think because there's so many outlets today, it's one of the reasons why journalism has fucking collapsed.

[198] It's essentially slowly but surely being engulfed by the internet.

[199] Like all these old journalists like these proud old institutions are like openly mocked now online like CNN and New York Times.

[200] And then there was a thing recently that was saying that the New York Times actually stifles information, stifles the release of information.

[201] Yeah, there was a criticism about the New York Times about what the way the New York Times actually stifles journalism.

[202] It's like, it's some fascinating thing because they're trying to hang on to this old way of doing it, which is an amazing way.

[203] You know, everybody owes the New York Times a debt of gratitude for having an intelligent newspaper for years and years and years and years.

[204] And you know, I'm not criticizing them.

[205] They're amazing.

[206] But apparently, you know, they're very hypersensitive about new media.

[207] And they're very high, like the way they criticized Vice when they had that Vice thing.

[208] Did you ever see that interview?

[209] Where one of the guys from New York Times, It's like shitting all over the vice guy, Shane Smith.

[210] No. And Shane's like totally keeping his cool, trying to keep it together and explain what they're doing.

[211] But this guy's making it seem like his version of journalism was so much more important than theirs.

[212] He's mocking what they did in Liberia.

[213] Like, oh, see, you went over there and you took pictures of poop.

[214] And that's like this mockingness, this is like disdain for new media.

[215] It's very apparent a lot of people that have made their living doing that.

[216] The same distribution of information, you know, that they control.

[217] back from the beginning, from the Hearst publication days to, you know, magazines and newspapers just a couple of decades ago.

[218] They controlled all of the information that gets released.

[219] And now their distribution of information is being challenged by people and they have to survive or fail on their own merits.

[220] So things like Huffington Post and Salon, they blow up.

[221] And then everybody's scrambling because they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are we going to do for a living now?

[222] Like, what we had, you know, the freedom of the president.

[223] People don't take it as seriously anymore.

[224] It's like the responsibility of putting the truth out during the in search of days was, like, so much stronger than today, which is why people get away with just putting on nonsense today, because there's so much information just flowing at you that the government can release some stupid fucking version of the truth, and people just suck it up.

[225] Because there's just so much else coming at them.

[226] It just gets caught in the river of shit, the river of gay marriage and banks foreclosing on people, and it just gets swept away with all the other stuff.

[227] But back then, if the New York Times printed, they found a fucking tape recorder, that Nixon stuck in his campaign opponent's house or wherever the fuck he stuck it in, their offices.

[228] That was a big deal.

[229] That shit happened today.

[230] Whatever.

[231] Did you see what fucking Hallie Berry did?

[232] Oh my God, that crazy bitch.

[233] Did you see what?

[234] See what I'm saying?

[235] You see what Miley Cyrus did?

[236] Oh my God.

[237] If Miley Cyrus made a video where she 69 Kim Kardashian, the world would explode.

[238] It would just blow up.

[239] It would just blow up.

[240] People would completely forget everything going on war would stop people go shut the fuck up every country in the world would be rushing to their computers they would have a ceasefire and they would all go online and watch it that's how fucking stupid people are i believe in that i believe in you we believe in each other you see this that somebody took the uh footage and oh broke it down yeah that's a kind of suit 100 % give me 100 you needed he had to turn his whole waist because he's got that mask on that probably didn't move so well yeah exactly well that's what they say we Well, the torso of a human being is not shaped like that.

[241] Note that like a lower primate, his head sits lower on his chest.

[242] He essentially doesn't have a neck.

[243] Or he's wearing shoulder paddeds and a monkey suit or that.

[244] It could be that too, dude.

[245] No, no, no. They don't want to believe, man. I think you posted something the other day and kind of going with the news.

[246] Do you think religion doesn't, it's going to not be around much longer?

[247] Well, there was this, it's really only one, yeah, it's possible, but it was really only one study.

[248] One guy said they gave it to like 20, 41.

[249] But I think religion is a lot like believing in Bigfoot, you know?

[250] There's a lot of the same aspects to it.

[251] There's just, well, I went looking for Bigfoot and for this TV show, and when we're out there, there was a part of me that was fucking hoping that Bigfoot was out there.

[252] It was like the childhood mystery, like, regained, but in a safe way, you know?

[253] because there's no fucking big foot most likely so you're out there looking it's not like you're looking for the wolf man that motherfucker's real you know you know if there really was a werewolf if we found out it really was real and what we hoped is that nobody survives he kills a few people every once a month and we hope everybody survives because if they don't survive then they become or if they if they we don't want them to survive because they're survived then become a were we would feel like we'd have it under containment like don't fight if he bites you accept your fate.

[254] We would, like, give coaching lessons on how to let the werewolf kill you.

[255] Most likely you won't even feel it.

[256] Your adrenaline will be rushing.

[257] It'll be over before you know it.

[258] At least you know that way you won't eat your family.

[259] You won't come back and eat your family.

[260] We've got one werewolf.

[261] Yeah, they're all like that out in England, out in the far off regions in the Moors.

[262] They know that.

[263] That's code.

[264] That's the code?

[265] That's the code.

[266] How the fuck did the werewolf theme?

[267] Where did that thing come from?

[268] Where did that mythology?

[269] In mythology, I think just a person, transforming it in any type of animal.

[270] So they got wear cats and where birds, I'm sure.

[271] They didn't really take off, though.

[272] And the werewolf stayed.

[273] Wear cats was just cat people.

[274] Remember that?

[275] Natasha Kinski.

[276] Yeah, a great movie.

[277] Yeah, not a bad movie.

[278] Was David Bowie in that?

[279] Music.

[280] He did a, like, a song.

[281] Yeah, that was for the time.

[282] It was a sexy movie.

[283] Yeah.

[284] And that really hot Italian chick or whatever she was.

[285] It would have been really good.

[286] It had a little subpar makeup effects.

[287] I did it.

[288] It's like the follow -up to American World for London.

[289] Oh, subpar?

[290] Oh, that's not good.

[291] They fucked it with American World for Paris.

[292] That was brutal.

[293] That was like, who let you do this?

[294] Very, very sad day when that came out.

[295] Well, they did everything in the wrong direction.

[296] That's where, like, a guy like John Landis, there's certain dudes that just know how to make a movie.

[297] They just let him do whatever you want to do.

[298] He knows how to do it.

[299] You know, when you see a movie like American Warfare in London, it's like John Landis is not known for being a horror movie director, you know?

[300] It's like a comedy guy.

[301] And he trusted his makeup guy, and he listened.

[302] And, you know, to do this special makeup effects stuff for film, you need a lot of prep time.

[303] And time to think it through and figure out he's shot, and he gave him that.

[304] And I don't think there's been a Werewolf movie since.

[305] It's really had that much time to figure out all the effects.

[306] I mean, there really isn't a transformation since that movie that's come close.

[307] It's too bad.

[308] I mean, that's ridiculous, because it's so good.

[309] Is that one of the hardest things to do in special effects, make a person become something else?

[310] Like turn a guy into some crazy animal or monster?

[311] I think the most, depending what it is, I think the hardest is to try to replicate the human form or animals to where as humans we all know what that looks like.

[312] So, again, a nod to Rick Baker when he did Coming to America and transformed Eddie Murphy and all those different characters or the Nutty Professor, Or we, you know, as humans, we all know, okay, an overweight man, what he looks like or, you know, human type stuff.

[313] So we can be a little more critical about that versus a zombie or, you know, a made -up fantasy creature.

[314] That's one of the things that's really odd about the difference between the CGI and the real animal or a real person, real special effect.

[315] Like the life of pie.

[316] I couldn't get into it.

[317] I knew there wasn't really a tiger in front of that guy.

[318] I couldn't get into it.

[319] I could let it go a little bit.

[320] I tried to enjoy it.

[321] But I couldn't get into it because, first of all, that cat would fuck him up.

[322] You're not going to be able to beat off a tiger with an oar.

[323] Like, that's not going to last even a second.

[324] Do you have any idea what you're dealing?

[325] You're dealing with a giant predatory animal that's been in that exact same form for like a million years because it's over successful.

[326] It's so successful that nature gives it like a handicap by making it brightly colored.

[327] It's bright white and yellow and orange, black.

[328] You see that bitch from a mile away.

[329] They want to let you know.

[330] If you see this fucking thing, okay, that's your warning.

[331] That's what you get.

[332] Run!

[333] And this guy is beating it off of the oar on a boat.

[334] And it looks stupid.

[335] It doesn't look real.

[336] And that's kind of, I think, what's happening in films nowadays is like a movie like Jaws with a huge shark.

[337] They were limited back then to what they could do with it.

[338] And it really helps the filmmaking style by just showing a fin, just hearing the music, and not showing the special effect.

[339] And then really limiting what you're seeing really enhances what you think you're seeing.

[340] You know, because you obviously think you're seeing more, but you're only seeing a little snippet.

[341] And, you know, American Wolf London is very selective in the shots.

[342] They show that wolf because it's a guy in there and it's a puppet.

[343] And you can only show so much.

[344] And now I think with CG, let's just show it all.

[345] Let's just make it jump and flip and spin and, you know, take it out of the shadows.

[346] And I think it takes the magic.

[347] away from it and you know you're instinctively you're not looking at a real object absolutely well like the american werewolf in london the scene when he's in piccadilly square and he's you know like snapping you see like one second of it maybe it might not even be a second it's just and snap it and you know it's a real thing that's there you don't get a chance to analyze it and say oh that looks kind of fake when he's walking around on all fours you just see it for a brief second and it's plenty it's perfect perfect it's perfect why don't they figure that out today.

[348] That's a good question.

[349] So, I mean, and that's kudos to John Landis, you know, for that time.

[350] Oh, yeah.

[351] Yeah, he nailed it.

[352] You know, it's choices.

[353] You know what other movie they did that in?

[354] Aliens.

[355] Alien to aliens.

[356] Fantastic visual effects, special effects.

[357] There's, you know, miniature stuff.

[358] But the second one, I personally think, was, although a great movie, it wasn't as good as the first one, because the first one, you barely saw.

[359] saw that thing.

[360] And when you saw it, you were shit in your pants.

[361] But in the second one, you see them early and often, and you get to kill them.

[362] Like, wait a minute, you guys could just kill it like that?

[363] So the one that they had on the spaceship, if they just shot it, like you guys, if they were just badasses like you guys, the movie Alien would be like five minutes long.

[364] It would burst out of his chest.

[365] They would shoot it.

[366] It's the evolution.

[367] I mean, they kind of needed to do that.

[368] And they had guns and, you know, I know, but it just seems to me that they didn't.

[369] Well, I mean, who the fuck am I?

[370] to say it but it's like it's fun but it's not the same kind of fun alien was terrified alien's a gothic it's a haunted house movie yeah it's in the dark again much like American War of London it's very limited in what they show you where aliens is just a romp you know I mean they made a comic book off all that the scene where that woman goes down the stairs was it a woman or a guy who goes down the stairs and it's like they're saying it's right on top of you it's right yeah the locator of it yeah and you sees it in the light, like right in front of them.

[371] It's one of those half -second shots.

[372] And it's funny, because that shot, I mean, the technology for special effects back then, you can see, like, plain latex rubber on the glove, and it looks like yellow, but it's fine for us, but it's like, bam, right there because he was rubbing it off or who knows what.

[373] Wow.

[374] It was so good.

[375] That's a masterpiece.

[376] And it kind of shows you, like, how sometimes the details don't really matter when the broad brush strokes are right.

[377] You can get away with a lot, too.

[378] Well, and in a real scenario, like, how, how, how.

[379] much would you see you'd be in terror you'd be running and i think that when you really lock on something and focus in my opinion it's the focus of a calm person because there's no freaking out going on with your visuals you're seeing something like on a really flat level plane that's moving around in front of you you're not reacting in any way visually the way a person would and like when you're in a scene and something's chasing you and you fucking see the camera running and you see this thing bounding through you feel like you're getting chased because that's what it feels like when you're running you see things move but if you just paused on some stupid underworld werewolf as it does battle with a vampire like bitch you're not fooling me at all I am not there I'm not involved in this experience I'm just watching this whereas in alien you were involved when you were climbing with him down those stairs and he's going down that ladder into that area where the alien is and you kind of guess that that's what's happening you're like oh fuck oh fuck and then he hits the light and you see it behind him that's a like a sensory experience and it's real reactions with real motivation yeah that aspect is missing for some reason off the like the menu of horror like that should be why what happened what happened pat megee maybe comic book movies really did they fuck it up I think you know from my perspective from our special effects makeup person, and special effects movies of the 70s, 80s, the big ones, even Star Wars.

[380] Back then they had to make these movies in the camera, so they had to pre -plan and figure out how to do all this in advance.

[381] So now they'll jump into production and they'll be shooting a movie without having a script and not even know where it's going with the thought of, oh, well, we'll fix, we always know we can fix it later because we can do it in a computer.

[382] so if they didn't get this specific shot here they're light it and have it live real with a performer reacting to it they can just create it out of nothing wow and that's why i mean the underworld movies and whatnot i you know it affects everything the performance the tone you know the mood you know what i wish they had cgi for back then the backgrounds because there's a few movies that i bought on blu -ray and when you buy them regular like in regular definition you don't see the detail.

[383] Blu -ray's tearing up old movies a lot.

[384] It's actually her, yeah, compared to the old video rental you'd get of the 80s where it was extra grainy and it actually sold it even that much more.

[385] It felt like the Patterson footage would help sell it easier.

[386] Yeah, exactly.

[387] I watched Aliens on Blu -ray, and I was like, you got to be fucking kidding me. And I watched it with my daughter.

[388] I was like trying to tell her how cool it is.

[389] And I'm like, oh my God, this looks like shit.

[390] She did fly into it?

[391] No, there's a scene where the jet is parked in front of it.

[392] of a mural like this fake jet and there's a mural of other fake jets it's so obvious that it's a mural i mean it's so bad it's incredible when you see it in in you know blue ray you got to watch that movie in the medium that it was created for you have to you gotta get a that's very standard resolution that's important yeah you can see a lot of wires and they use like fish fishing line to make tails move and yeah you don't want that folks you don't want that folks what are they going to do with the new Godzilla?

[393] Are they going to bitch out and go full CGI?

[394] Oh, absolutely.

[395] These fuckers.

[396] Don't they know?

[397] Shouldn't they do a combination of both?

[398] Wouldn't that be the best move?

[399] Or more practical with a little bit of enhancement, you know, to, I mean again, it just CGI is a really good tool if used properly.

[400] And I think again, the fact that with CGI you can do whatever you wanted to do I think there's the option to want to show more and not have that restraint.

[401] And, you know, there's some really good, you know, Jurassic Park's a great example of good CGI.

[402] But there's something about Jurassic Park, and this is my take on CGI.

[403] I think that CGI works as long as the animal's not a real animal.

[404] I can buy a dinosaur moving in CGI because I've never seen a dinosaur in real life.

[405] But I know what a wolf really looks like.

[406] When I see a CGI dire wolf on Game of Thrones, I'm like, bitch, what am I, 12?

[407] that's not real that's not a real wolf that wolf's not licking shit nothing's happening here this is not real but like what at what level is it possible to make movies with real objects when you get to a godzilla movie level where it's like this huge full -scale thing it's smashing through buildings like it seems like it's almost impossible to not have that be a cg i well they should probably more and you don't want to notice it as much but it's it's usually hidden really well as they'll do like the building damage a lot of that will be miniatures and i'm assuming they will do that uh the lord of the rings movies and any a lot of big cg i movies that have a lot of destruction and and earth shaking and buildings falling they'll and if it looks pretty much believable though it'll be a miniature that's why you know what drives me fucking crazy when i watched the walking dead and they stab a zombie in the head and i'm like bitch I'm seeing pixels you are not stabbing a it's so fake like the physics of the knife going into the head is so wrong the way the body with the blood coming out is so wrong it's all so fake it's almost like they're trying to make it less realistic on purpose yeah so they can kind of comic bookie almost which is what it is the makeups I think of the zombies they look great oh they look great I think they're as cool as they've ever looked in it absolutely but there again it sort of like reinforces your point those are real it's real makeup sure you're not looking at like i am legend i thought it was fun it was a fun movie i was looking forward to it yeah but the cg i was weird the story was great sure it was interesting it was exciting you know that scene where he's trying to get his dog you know and like the sun's coming down and he's got to fucking flee that's a great goddamn scene that scene's incredible the feeling like will will smith was incredible in it though the background it looked incredible when those stupid fake lions wander out and kill the deer i was like are you kidding me do you know how dumb that looks it looks so fake and so i'm not i'm not connected to this movie anymore you just fuck me yeah it's it's it's easy oh yeah it's like terrible acting right anything yeah it's um it's so there's a thing that happens when we know what something looks like whether it's a whale or a shark when you see a digital version of it it's just not i know it's not real And that's, for now.

[408] That's the same theory with like these monsters, like a predator.

[409] I mean, aliens pretty abstract.

[410] But a lot of the really cool creature effects tend to have, it's all stuff being drawn from animals and real life looking things.

[411] And that's what really helps the transition from total fantasy to still feeling believable is that we're pulling, you know, eyes from this thing here and teeth from a reptile there.

[412] It's amazing what you guys can do now.

[413] like I the some of the um the the makeup and special effects both on the walking dead and was world war z makeup or was it cg i that was a lot of makeup it was well the the big crowd scenes were obviously cg but at the end when you got all in the tight corners you saw a lot of makeup isn't it funny that even the big um the big crowd scenes when they're stacking up on top of each other you still can tell it's not real oh yeah well in the trailers but even in like little images of little tiny fake people.

[414] You still know they're fake people.

[415] What is that?

[416] What is going on there?

[417] How do you know?

[418] Do they move wrong?

[419] What is it about like CGI that alerts you?

[420] Well, having the hordes of people that they had.

[421] Yeah.

[422] It's kind of just, it's not right.

[423] It seems physically impossible, I guess.

[424] I don't know.

[425] But even when they walk around the ground, like I remember the oldest version was Titanic.

[426] I remember laughing out loud in the movie when they fly over the Titanic and I look at the people walking I'm like, ah, just fucking you're selling me, man. That shit doesn't look real at all.

[427] It looks so bad.

[428] See if you could pull that up.

[429] You know, I think the other thing is it's very overwhelming and it's like there's almost too much stuff going on.

[430] So you can't even take it all in.

[431] I mean, I think for the newer Star Wars movies, Star Wars movies, they have, you know, these shots, these scenes with, You know, a thousand spaceships and so many things going on.

[432] I feel like I just sit back and I can't take it all in.

[433] It's too much.

[434] It's overload.

[435] And so it's like, okay, whereas these other movies, these classics we're talking about, they're more focused than they're pinpoint on.

[436] This is exactly what I want you to see.

[437] And it's also because of the fact that they had less to work with, they had to be a bit more imaginative.

[438] They had to be a bit more creative because they had to give you the experience in a way that is not relying entirely on the appearance of the animal or appearance of the monster and that's like that would become like the shot selection hey we can't make it do this, that other it's a guy in a rubber suit so they limit it to you and it's effective it's a fascinating thing though that we're like gluttons like now that we can do it and we can make a fake Godzilla or whatever we just want to see in every scene just fucking shit up going crazy and attacking I want to see a hundred of them just flood my screen so I walk out of there and go wow It was nuts.

[439] Well, sure.

[440] And they got the, you know, the making of.

[441] And, I mean, just the fact that you can freeze frame and get a perfectly clear image of anything now.

[442] I mean, I remember as a kid, as a seven -year -old kid, watching a tape of American World London, you'd hit pause on your, you know, VCR, and it was all fuzzy with the little line through the middle.

[443] And I'm trying to draw the damn thing.

[444] Yeah.

[445] Now, I mean, everyone's, it's an easy, you can be a critic so easily.

[446] Do you remember how bad pause was?

[447] Remember?

[448] Remember, especially if you were watching pornography, I'm not suggesting.

[449] but you tried to get like a good pause like good luck and it would only last for like four minutes and then it would get white no then it would start it would stop or start playing again you have to rewind and re -pause it would wiggle on you terrible I used to try to edit videos with two VCRs hitting pause on one and record on the other one and the pause would always be like a slight delay of like two seconds so you had to like try to hit pause before you wanted to stop so the whole movie was just like really horrible like you know cuts like two seconds too much Yeah, back when people used to edit with two VCRs, that's hilarious.

[450] Yeah, that's hilarious.

[451] That was state of the art just a few decades ago.

[452] The future of this kind of special effects, there's some stuff that they're working on at Nvidia.

[453] They let me see some of their, what they're called bridging the uncanny valley.

[454] They want to be able to create video games that essentially directly mimic what you look like, like almost exactly.

[455] and what they have now is they have an actor doing a certain amount of moving around and then they put him inside this program they film them and then they put him inside this program and they can adjust all sorts of variables they can make it like black and white they can make it really shadowy they could put a sun above him they can put the sun to the left and to the right get close pull back and the resolution is a fucking amazing but when it starts talking there's just a little party that goes No, that's not real, man. Just something going on here.

[456] Whereas even that stupid werewolf walking on all fours in Piccadilly Square because you only saw it for a second, you fucking believed that was real.

[457] Yeah.

[458] Well, and I think another thing with the modern technology and modern filmmaking is there's so many people involved now creatively.

[459] And these older movies basically, like American World of Lenin, John Landis said, hey make it like this make it on four legs make it run around i got to do this that and the other and he basically said you make your your scary werewolf rickbaker and he made his what individually you know his version of a scary werewolf so it's kind of like his artistry on its on its own versus now you have studio executives and producers and you know the guy next door you know they all giving in hey it needs an extra leg no it needs to be this and so you kind of lose that organic fluidity of an individual or a couple people's insight and you have Mr. Potato Head.

[460] There's a few guys that I think influenced the way that werewolf looked, a few artists.

[461] I think Frisetta might have influenced the way that werewolf looked too.

[462] Because Frisetta had done a few different werewolf ones.

[463] They were like much more wolf -like and really big and hairy.

[464] And there was also those creepy and eerie comic books.

[465] Did you ever read those?

[466] Absolutely.

[467] Fucking great, weren't they?

[468] Look at that thing.

[469] That's the howling.

[470] though the howling wasn't quite as good that's bad moon is it a movie called bad moon rob zombie right steve johnson did the special effects on that and there's like a morph so you got a little bit of makeup but then it's silly morph and again it's like bad moon huh i never heard of this yeah it's in the mid 90s mariel hemmingways in that oh i'm like i know every single thing yeah now i remember i blocked it out of my memory Like an alien abduction Or the German Shepherd The family pet saves the day And that one And fights this Oh this is so stupid That is really bad That's morphine Yeah there's a weird thing Where people want to see All that stupid shit Now compare this to The American Werewolf And London transformation scene And this is like 10 years later That's like 15 15 years later Wow that's so bad Look how stupid that thing is But meanwhile That would be fucking Can terrifying or something like that.

[471] Oh, now we're into Cursed.

[472] Which is...

[473] This is a different movie?

[474] Yeah, even worse.

[475] Is this just all werewolf transformations, Brian?

[476] I think so.

[477] That actually looked better to me. That's a werewolf that at one point gives you the finger.

[478] Oh, no. Yeah, there's a scene at the end where it gives you finger and it's like...

[479] Who's this girl?

[480] She's a famous actress.

[481] She's going to transform?

[482] Just dirty bitch.

[483] They show boobs.

[484] Oh, no. Wherewolf boobs?

[485] See, here's the perfect example.

[486] See how it's all one shot.

[487] You've got to get it all in one shot and it, you know, It's not very dramatic that way.

[488] Right.

[489] Oh, what the heck is this?

[490] Her hair fell off.

[491] She turned into a horrible CGR.

[492] Oh, she's yoked out.

[493] Here's that.

[494] She's so yoked.

[495] She's a lawnmower man. Imagine if you had a chick and her back was like that.

[496] You'd be like, damn, I got to do rows.

[497] Oh, this is horrible.

[498] She'd keep up with my girl.

[499] That was a hyena face.

[500] You date one of those, like, super ultra -crossfitting chicks.

[501] It looks more like a bear.

[502] It's got to be the perfect example of, I would like to think, not really having a good plan.

[503] going into making this film but meanwhile if you did it american werewolf in london style it could be effective it's not bad looking when it's in total like mouth open a gape scary if you saw it in the dark and you didn't have much detail and you know you didn't have many scenes with it and with even the transformation with the technology we use with the silicone as a skin and the mechanical contraptment contractments that we can come come up with to approach a transformation just like they did in American World of London, now you could refine it and not have to incorporate any CG, and it would probably be a lot better.

[504] Pull up the transformation scene from the American Werewolf in London.

[505] Man, that one was really bad.

[506] That one you just saw?

[507] Yeah, it was awful.

[508] The Howling wasn't that good either, though.

[509] And that came out the same year as American Werewolf, and it's funny because we're on the same page here in the effects industry.

[510] I've come across the Howling fans, and then there's the American Werewolf side.

[511] And they, it's unbelievable.

[512] You're saying Halloween's shit, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[513] There'll be people that will go say the same about American Werewolf and think the Halleons is a masterpiece.

[514] Those people are silly people.

[515] But that's always going to be, that's always going to be the case, isn't it?

[516] Like with music, with movies.

[517] And no one's right or wrong.

[518] Turn the volume up in this so you could hear this.

[519] It's a great scene.

[520] The music, the contrast.

[521] and he was a great actor too man he fucking pulled this off better than anybody ever that was turning into a werewolf i mean the horror in his face looks so real like you just feel like he's stretching like it's not a fun thing and i think that's the thing that these new warwolf transformations are doing is there just yeah i mean this is amazing i remember watching this just thinking, holy shit, what is it going to be like 20 years from now?

[522] Meanwhile, it's not any better.

[523] It's amazing.

[524] I mean, this is some really...

[525] I mean, if you go to the movies and you see this, this is fucking entertaining.

[526] This really seems like a guy who's turning into a wolf.

[527] Whereas if I see that other thing, it's like you're insulting me. You know?

[528] You're fucking with me, man. The only place that I thought they did good at all, was with the Hulk, the most recent Hulk with the Avengers.

[529] Because you can't, it's so big, and the mechanics of the Hulk are so crazy.

[530] You can never really have a body that moves like that.

[531] Sure.

[532] Well, you can always just get Loufregnone.

[533] Imagine just walking in on this.

[534] Not good enough.

[535] The Leuferigno was cool.

[536] Yeah, I imagine.

[537] How far can you run before it turns into the world?

[538] The Leuferigno thing, though, he was always a guy.

[539] Like, the Hulk is not a real guy.

[540] The Hulk is a fucking superhero that's not Bill.

[541] like a person, and the new Hulk, the CGI Hulk, looks like the Hulk's supposed to look.

[542] It looked good.

[543] And they did a good job of putting his face characteristics into it.

[544] This fucking scene is so awesome.

[545] And it's great because, you know, they show you here the whole body and he doesn't show you the face.

[546] Yeah.

[547] It's just good filmmaking.

[548] I think the way the shots are selected, it leaves you wanting to see more and not showing you more.

[549] Yes.

[550] And then like right there.

[551] For me, that's why I watch this thing a thousand times, because I keep thinking I'm going to see more, and you don't.

[552] Yeah, it's a great fucking movie, man. What is your favorite all -time harm movie?

[553] Is that it?

[554] Well, absolutely American War Wolf and London.

[555] What are other examples you think of, like, amazing special effects?

[556] For special effects?

[557] I mean, my favorite, American Wolf in London, Predator.

[558] Alien.

[559] I love the fly.

[560] How about the Dracula with Gary Oldman?

[561] Absolutely.

[562] Absolutely.

[563] That's, again, this is some great visual effects and makeup and all the different looks.

[564] That was who it was, right?

[565] It was Gary Oldman?

[566] Yes.

[567] God damn.

[568] The thing, the 1982 thing, I don't know what your thoughts are on that.

[569] That's a big special effects movie.

[570] I loved that movie.

[571] The new one was kind of whack.

[572] I felt like the same thing.

[573] The new one I felt like the story was maybe even perhaps a little bit more sophisticated.

[574] The acting was okay.

[575] I thought Kurt, I mean, Kurt Russell was fucking great because that was Kurt Russell and his prime too.

[576] And the ensemble cast.

[577] I was amazing.

[578] Everybody was great.

[579] T .K. Carter was in that movie.

[580] He was a comic that I know from the comedy store, old school guy from the comedy store.

[581] He was in that movie.

[582] He did a bunch of movies.

[583] He was the black guy.

[584] Yeah, on the roller skates.

[585] Yes, yes, yes.

[586] He's a comic.

[587] And that was like one of many big movies he did.

[588] But that movie was like everything was good about it.

[589] And for the time.

[590] special effects were amazing, you know?

[591] Just creepy enough and crazy enough.

[592] And I prefer the slightly fake -looking real special effects, the slightly fake -looking CGI.

[593] I feel like I can buy it more.

[594] When a guy's stomach opens up into a big fake mouth and starts chewing in bloods, as long as I know it's real blood, it's like it feels better to me. Like if I'm watching, like I said, if I'm watching, you know, any, like I am legend, like something about me, feels, I'm not letting it in.

[595] Like, if you, what, do you think people are going to ever really accept, especially with this sort of technology, fake porn?

[596] They're not going to.

[597] They're going to know, you know?

[598] Like, if you think, like, what the trend in porn is, it's all that gonzo stuff, like they pull up to a bus stop and throw somebody in the back of your van and get a high -definition video of them doing stuff, you're never going to be able to do that.

[599] I don't know, man. If you, if you get, like, a Jessica Rabbit nowadays, like, make her look super, realistic.

[600] I'm sure they've done that.

[601] And then just have her start fucking.

[602] That's hot.

[603] I'm sure they have, but no, it's only hot to retards.

[604] You don't think so?

[605] So, like, even if Avatar came out and, like, they just start fucking and you start, see your little...

[606] That would be kind of interesting because Avatar is not...

[607] It's my original point.

[608] If as long as it's not an actual real animal, you don't feel bad about seeing it.

[609] Like, it doesn't make you feel weird.

[610] You know, but when a guy...

[611] I am legend, like, I know there's people.

[612] That's not moving like a person.

[613] What's going on with its jaw?

[614] Like, that's...

[615] What is it?

[616] A rubber face?

[617] now?

[618] This is stupid.

[619] Like, you lost me like I know what's happening here but if you're showing me a dinosaur I've never fucking seen a dinosaur have you seen a dinosaur I don't know I mean Jurassic Park doesn't offend like it seems to me like that looks like a dinosaur a Hulk looks like a Hulk but a fake lion looks like shit how was another old horror movie that had pretty good makeup was the nightmare in Elm Street that was good underrated movie they made too many shitty sequels it became a mockery of itself but the original movie is excellent And he's really kept in the dark there.

[620] Yeah, it's a fucking good movie, man. The original movie is one of the best horror movies of all time.

[621] Absolutely.

[622] It's kind of cheapen and its legacy by the sequels.

[623] They made a hundred sequels.

[624] I mean, good for them.

[625] They probably made a billion dollars.

[626] You know, and the only way you're going to do that is by selling shit.

[627] You can't keep pumping out these fucking things every two years and have to be really good, an original and unique.

[628] You know, as soon as they start showing too much of them.

[629] Yeah.

[630] I mean, they took them out of the shadows.

[631] Remember when they did a remake?

[632] Who did the remake?

[633] Who was in the remake?

[634] I mean the one from a couple years ago?

[635] Yeah, it was really recent, right?

[636] It was a different guy.

[637] Yeah, it was like four years ago, different guy.

[638] It didn't work, right?

[639] No, not at all.

[640] What was it, CGI, or was it real?

[641] He was in makeup.

[642] They did a little CGI, I think, around his nose or his cheek, and, you know, he just didn't have that quality that the first one had.

[643] Yeah, it's also the problem with re -doing a story over and over, and over again.

[644] It's like King Kong is a perfect example.

[645] You know that dumb fucking monkey's going to climb that building and they're going to shoot him down.

[646] He's going to fall and that's how it's going to end.

[647] It's not going to end any other way.

[648] And I think the other thing in a lot of these remakes, like the Nightmare in Elm Street and Friday 13th and all the actors, all these, the teenage kids, they're a little too clean and pristine and pretty.

[649] They don't have kind of the everyday look that the older ones tended to have.

[650] Like that I spit on your grave look.

[651] Yeah, where you just, again, believe it as a little bit more real.

[652] Yeah.

[653] You have that synthetic look to it that they do now.

[654] Yeah, they look like real people instead of a bunch of models when camping.

[655] Some of these horror movies, like, why are these perfectly facially structured people all hanging out together?

[656] I don't know.

[657] I've seen one movie did Descent, which is a decent movie, but it's these like six girls going in a cave.

[658] And I just can't, from that point right there, I don't get it.

[659] That's where I'm willing to suspend disbelief when hot girls go climbing in the middle of a mountain.

[660] Because it's, you know, every man has a fantasy of meeting some crazy mountain climbing crazy pitch once a...

[661] Well, there was like six or seven of them.

[662] Yeah, they're all hot.

[663] They're all hot and they're going deep in the mountain.

[664] Weren't they, like, banging each other's husbands and stuff, too?

[665] There's a lot of drama going on behind the scenes.

[666] That was the plot twist.

[667] And then they go inside these holes in the ground where these things live that have been eating people for like thousands of years.

[668] Everybody disappears, gets eaten down there.

[669] Yeah.

[670] What a wild movie.

[671] It was a fun movie, though.

[672] I liked it so much I watched the second one.

[673] Did you see the, I assume you like the Evil Dead, the original Evil Dead movies?

[674] It was great.

[675] And then did you see the remake?

[676] Yeah.

[677] It's terrible.

[678] Yeah.

[679] They got me. What was wrong with it?

[680] Well, I don't want to give anything away.

[681] I shouldn't say it was terrible.

[682] It wasn't fun.

[683] But it wasn't as good as the original.

[684] If you just wanted to watch, if they really wanted to have an Evil Dead night in the movies, they should re -release the original and have people go out and see it in a movie theater, which is going to be a more exciting experience anyway.

[685] But not high death.

[686] Right.

[687] Yeah, not high -deaf.

[688] But the problem is, it's like you know the story.

[689] Everyone knows the story.

[690] So you're going to throw a few variables at me. At the end, someone doesn't have a hand, and they have a fucking chainsaw.

[691] You know, it's the same goddamn movie.

[692] You're going to play me the same movie over and over again.

[693] At a certain point in time, they need to let King Kong live.

[694] The motherfucker gets away, he jumps in the water, he can hold his breath for an hour, and he swims out into the middle of the ocean, pops his head up, keeps swimming.

[695] Goes to Japan.

[696] Yeah, it goes to Japan.

[697] Fuck shit up.

[698] fights Godzilla.

[699] Figures out how to cool that nuclear radiation down.

[700] That would have been great.

[701] I mean, for the remake of King Kong, if he took out all the airplanes.

[702] If he took out of the airplanes and lived, you know, just hid from the airplanes, got down, you know how quick a chimp can get down from a tree.

[703] It's fucking terrifying.

[704] They move really fast.

[705] Obviously, a gorilla doesn't really climb trees because they're fucking huge.

[706] That's one thing that's stupid about this movie.

[707] Because real guerrillas, they like plot around the ground.

[708] They're enormous.

[709] They're 800 pounds.

[710] What are they doing?

[711] What kind of tree is going to hold up an 800 -pound gorilla?

[712] And I guess they could do it if they wanted to.

[713] It's not like they're compelled to go climb buildings like an asshole, you know?

[714] What if King Kong just decided not to climb buildings and just figure out a way to get to the fucking upstate New York woods and went hiding?

[715] No, the Redwoods.

[716] That's who it would be.

[717] King Kong on the West Coast.

[718] Hiding in the Redwood Forest.

[719] He's too big, right?

[720] Too big.

[721] Yeah.

[722] Stupid movie.

[723] It doesn't work to them.

[724] His head will be still.

[725] It doesn't work.

[726] Plus we have jets missiles and shit.

[727] Like we have throw a drone at them.

[728] like we wouldn't even have to be there like you know you don't have to fucking have buy planes try to shoot them off the empire state building no there'd be a whole group of people trying to save them of course so well that's the funny thing at the end of king kong everyone's always sad because he loved that girl right as they're blasting it with bullets and not only that in the second one especially he kills a lot of people i don't mean the second one it's probably the fifth one right this dno de larentis version of king kong the original king kong 1930 something right 1933 and then the Dino de Laurentis version which was I believe in the 76 yeah and then there was a 1980s version with Rick Baker no Rick Baker did the 76 one with Dino de Laurenti oh he did yeah and he played he played King Kong in that oh did he really yes and then who did the 80 and then they did an 86 one with Linda Hamilton believe it or not was in that oh my god who saw that one you saw that one yeah I saw that one in the theater no kidding I probably saw it in the theater, too.

[729] I was too stupid.

[730] I don't remember it anymore.

[731] That and the old Godzilla that came out in the 80s?

[732] Godzilla, 1985.

[733] Oh, yeah.

[734] It was like Godzilla, 1925.

[735] Yeah, I was on The Tonight Show with Matthew Broderick, and they were showing Fear Factor clips, and he was trying to turn away.

[736] And I go, hey, come on, dude, I watch Godzilla.

[737] You can watch this.

[738] So rude.

[739] Stephen Pressfield wrote that King Kong Lives, 1986.

[740] Yeah, that's a different one, though.

[741] Is that the one with, what's her face?

[742] Linda Hamilton.

[743] With Linda Hamilton, King Kong Lives?

[744] Yes.

[745] Yes.

[746] Oh, that's hilarious.

[747] That's a press field.

[748] Yeah.

[749] That's hilarious.

[750] I think there's a male and a female.

[751] That's hilarious.

[752] I don't think I saw this one, actually, now that I think about it.

[753] I definitely saw the Rick Baker one, and I definitely saw the one that came after this, which was much more recent, which was a CGI one with Jack Black.

[754] 2005.

[755] Yeah.

[756] Was there one in between them?

[757] I don't think so.

[758] That was it.

[759] They did Mighty Joe Young.

[760] Okay.

[761] So from this one to the Rick Baker one.

[762] From this one to the recent CGI one I don't believe there was a King Kong So there's been like four Go to the see if you You'll find Rick Baker's King Kong Well you got they did like I think Didn't they do King Kong versus Godzilla?

[763] Yeah but that was like That was dark shit Look how hilarious by the way this poster is It's like hey King Kong and a guy's like holding onto his leg while he's running around Oh and there's a there's a two behind it too Yeah this is King Kong too Like this must have been there like a Oh my God Look at that's a little bit baby it's a baby king con he's throwing planes and shit right what'd you want me to look at um rick baker's king kong in 76 yeah someone needs if you couldn't do it today but if you did it like they did with the uh recent one with jack black we made it a period piece perhaps it would work because the thing could get away there was still mystery back then without google earth and these assholes with satellites and that's i think what makes these movie horror movies of the older time a little more scary is that you didn't have a cell phone with you at all times.

[764] Pull up a video, so you can find a video of Rick Baker's King Kong.

[765] That's the poster.

[766] I used to have that poster on my wall when I was a kid.

[767] He was so big, he was standing on both of the World Trade Center buildings, one foot on each one.

[768] That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen in my life.

[769] And the other thing about King Kong versus Godzilla that always pissed me off is because King Kong is 50 feet tall.

[770] Godzilla is 500 feet tall.

[771] So what the fuck?

[772] All of a sudden he goes.

[773] of Japan and he's bigger too?

[774] Come on, it's the same King Kong we're talking about here.

[775] Why'd they make King Kong bigger and nobody even bat at an eye?

[776] And then they did the worst versions of King Kong ever.

[777] Do they have the actual King Kong itself?

[778] See if you could find.

[779] That's the actual full video.

[780] No. It's not?

[781] This was a...

[782] Most of this was Rick Baker in a suit and then there's a handful of shots where they made like a really stiff mannequin like 60, 70, 70, 80 foot tall King Kong, and they cut to it real quick.

[783] It's so bad.

[784] This is it really stupid.

[785] Oh, it's really...

[786] Wow.

[787] That's actually pretty good.

[788] It's not bad for 70s.

[789] Holy shit.

[790] Yeah, that's a guy, that's him in the suit.

[791] That's actually better than CGI.

[792] Well, it's lit.

[793] Oh, that's fake as fuck.

[794] I remember this.

[795] Yeah, this was a good one.

[796] Yeah, they didn't show you the...

[797] Yeah, that's not bad.

[798] That actually looks fake.

[799] Oh, he needed that chick.

[800] Give me that bitch.

[801] Well, that's a little tiny white girl.

[802] Very important him.

[803] That's what he's here for.

[804] And introducing Jessica Lang as the beauty who charmed the beast.

[805] You know what's really amazing?

[806] Jessica Lang is now on that TV show where she plays an old lady.

[807] She's on that American horror story.

[808] Which has a lot of practical...

[809] special makeup effects does it do you like that show she plays a crazy lady i haven't seen i like her man i think she's amazing i tried to watch it she's always been amazing but it's you know like now that she's older like you get to see how good an actress she is because i think when she was young she was so stunning that was hard to concentrate on anything other than her face she was so fucking pretty so beautiful you know her face structure is just stunning so now that she's a more mature lady you know you kind of concentrate on how creepy she has as an actress i always remember her Tutsi.

[810] I never saw Tutsi.

[811] I'm a real man. You've never seen Tutsi?

[812] No fucking way.

[813] Any movie where you dress up like a chick, I'm out.

[814] I'm done, dude.

[815] I see what you're doing.

[816] You're tricking me. There's makeup in that movie.

[817] You just support everything with makeup in it?

[818] You're going to check it out.

[819] That's funny.

[820] That's a tough job.

[821] But do you like movies like The Nuddy Professor where they do makeup and it doesn't have anything to do with monsters?

[822] I absolutely.

[823] I appreciate it.

[824] I think that was a, That's a good movie, too, as well.

[825] How dare you?

[826] The Nuddy Professor.

[827] I think it's pretty funny.

[828] Okay.

[829] But I appreciate them.

[830] It's a fun movie.

[831] That's the problem is I start, you start looking at these movies and having this as a profession.

[832] All you're doing is really watching for all the scenes.

[833] Yeah, that's why I was saying.

[834] That's how comics are.

[835] Like when, you know, it takes a really good comic to make a comic laugh.

[836] Sure.

[837] Because if someone is, like, mediocre, like, I remember when I first started doing comedy, um i was uh i thought these people were like really funny that i was working with later you know and when i first saw them like they were ahead of me so they were professionals already and i went to see a show and they were at the show and then i remember years later i used them as an example of like what's terrible of you know like what kind of comedy is terrible and like hack and like i didn't know at the time when i first got into it i thought they were hilarious i thought they were like really good and then i realized oh they're fucking gross and awful so if you watch a comedian with another comedian if they're not good it's sort of the same thing it takes the fun way yeah so you're seeing scenes and rubber and you're seeing fake contact lenses is that the which one is that oh that's so fake oh my god they're color art colored the old which king con is this man I think the original yeah the color color no why would they do that how dare they that's another thing you're not supposed to do man you're not supposed to color old movies that shit's creepy the fact that they're in black and white is part of the interesting thing of watching those movies.

[838] You're essentially transported to a time where this was the entertainment.

[839] That's part of the nostalgia of watching a movie like this is watching it in the form that originally came in.

[840] You know, why not just add good special effects?

[841] Why not just take out this stupid fake -looking rubber monkey and put in an amazing new state -of -the -art 2013 King Kong?

[842] Because it's a fucking old movie, dummy.

[843] Don't color it.

[844] people are gross it is weird when you see like like Shirley temple videos color eyes and stuff like that's like what you know 3D glasses are today and people act like they're all new and it's like there were 3D movies in the 80s yeah well this is my point about this is like that doesn't make it better okay what all of a sudden I believe it's a real monkey now shut up you know oh well I see different colors it's a more enriching experience no it's not it still looks fake as fuck but I can appreciate that it's fake as fuck if I can pretend I'm in 1930 watching it It's so funny It looks like that show on Cartoon Network Yes!

[845] Well they could do a better job now This is 33.

[846] This is 80 years ago.

[847] That is kind of amazing, isn't it?

[848] How old were films back then?

[849] In 33.

[850] Like how long had we had movies?

[851] Oh, 30 years.

[852] Wow.

[853] I mean, monsters, though.

[854] I mean, we had Nosferratu is one of the very first How bad that is?

[855] Meanwhile, Nospirado was fucking great.

[856] That was a good example of how to hide shit and keep things creepy.

[857] Pull up the original Nospherado.

[858] It was a silent movie.

[859] And I went to see it at a library back when I lived in San Francisco and I was at my most fanatical about horror movies.

[860] I went to see Nossarado.

[861] They played it at a public library.

[862] I remember I couldn't believe my luck like they had a movie night at the library and they were going to play Nosferado because this is kind of thought of as an art film because it's so old and so interesting I think the first of the kind of famous monsters the first version of Dracula or vampire and what's cool about watching this movie is obviously that no one done any fucking voiceover on it so you're watching it as if you're in a time capsule you're going back to what year was it made 22.

[863] Oh, my God.

[864] Roaring 20s.

[865] People were drinking gin and fucking out of control.

[866] So look how far they went from 22 to King Kong and 33.

[867] Yeah.

[868] They went pretty far.

[869] But you know where they didn't go far is with him.

[870] He's creepy as fuck, man. See if they, you can see the vampire.

[871] Like, here he is.

[872] Why is it how those sounds?

[873] Is that you doing that?

[874] Don't do that.

[875] Come on, man. He's disrespecting the art for him.

[876] Oh look, he's got a cut on his thumb Hey, let me suck your thumb That's all normal But look how creepy he looks Great I mean his face is phenomenal How do he made his fingers extra long too right Or did he just have giant hands I'm pretty sure he had A little help Little tips on his fingers or something like that Because they're just Just creepy Extra long enough And it's slow And it's moody And he's not having to do all this stuff With his mouth stretching extra wide Yeah And his ears are creepy and his head's creepy look at that I mean that's a good goddamn vampire great face and I mean that and that's like all the classics Frankenstein and mummy with Boris Karloff I mean they all had really good performers wearing these makeups and isn't it interesting that at the time look at how this thing stands up that was fucking state of the art shit that's been ripped off a thousand times yeah there's his fingers his fingers are even longer in this scene they made them longer um you know what else I find interesting about this movie, everybody steals where the vampire's teeth are.

[877] Everybody gives him big canines.

[878] He made it more like rat teeth.

[879] Yeah, I think the rat look was the influence for this.

[880] Yeah, I mean, he looks like a rat.

[881] He has these two long front teeth.

[882] It's really kind of weird when you think about it.

[883] Like, you get either the 30 Days of Night Style where they have like this wild sharky teeth, yeah.

[884] You get that sometimes.

[885] They just tear apart.

[886] And then you had the lost boys where they were not, their canines were just in a little bit.

[887] And then you got every version's been done.

[888] Yeah, and it's always like these really clean puncture marks on the neck or rips everything apart and just tears your fucking head off practically.

[889] Sure.

[890] Like the 30 Days of Night ones, they're super violent.

[891] They tear everything apart.

[892] The Twilight ones, they're kind of like, barely fucked.

[893] They don't really count.

[894] They don't count at all, huh?

[895] Is that offensive to special effects people, movies like Twilight?

[896] I think just they should be offensive to people in general for as far as vampires go.

[897] Well, here, I'm going to defend Twilight.

[898] I can't believe I'm going to.

[899] Well, you have daughters that probably like that.

[900] No, that they love it.

[901] Yeah, okay.

[902] My fucking wife loves it.

[903] Here's the thing, man. Chicks like that shit.

[904] Yeah.

[905] And I like stupid shit.

[906] And I'm not telling anybody what they should and shouldn't like because, like, I'm like watching the Hulk.

[907] I watched the new Wolverine movie.

[908] I enjoy it.

[909] It's fine.

[910] I know it's stupid.

[911] I enjoy it.

[912] I like dumb shit.

[913] So I can't tell you that you shouldn't like dumb shit.

[914] But I find it fascinating.

[915] I find it fascinating from a psychological standpoint.

[916] And I think we as men should observe it.

[917] We should really pay attention to what's going on.

[918] Because it's very different than anything that they would ever experience in reality.

[919] And yet they're clinging to this shit like it's a goddamn life raft in the middle of the ocean.

[920] Like, what is this?

[921] Why do you want a vampire that just sparkles and doesn't bite you?

[922] why do you want a werewolf that growls at you but doesn't eat anybody talk about getting really big yeah they're really yeah they don't make it could have just made I mean it could have been acceptable if they made a couple logical decisions there but yeah well you know meanwhile I say I like the Hulk and how the fuck does you become that big where's that mass coming from I mean that's stupid too if they had made a couple changes they could have even sold more tickets to a few more guys quite possibly but they would have ruined it for the girls I guess girls want bullshit straight up on a silver tray they want it terrible they want a cute boy with fucking perfect cheekbones it just happens to be 1805 years old and likes a 17 year old that fucking creepy perv weirdo um change of topic have you seen paranormal no i have not what is that you've seen it's a it's came out a couple uh maybe last year only it's a stop motion animation movie with zombies in it and paranormal your daughters might like it but i have boys and i they love it And it's got old school technology like King Kong where it's stop motion.

[923] And then they clean it up with C .G. So kind of like The Nightmare Before Christmas.

[924] Do you know what I liked?

[925] I just remembered.

[926] Did you see VHS?

[927] No. Okay.

[928] VHS is a terrible movie.

[929] But the first scene is fucking great.

[930] There's like two movies or three movies in that movie.

[931] It's the movie.

[932] Spoiler alert.

[933] Shut it off if you're about to rent this.

[934] Is that creep show?

[935] Something like that, very similar.

[936] But the method that they used was they go over this guy's house and he's dead and he's got stacks of VHS tapes and all these different TVs and they just start putting them in and exploring and watch it.

[937] And then it plays out as if you're seeing it from the tape.

[938] The first one, the first story of the first one, when it's over, shut the thing off.

[939] Shut it off.

[940] Because everything else sucks.

[941] But the first one's fucking great.

[942] It's a guy who picks up this girl.

[943] They get drunk and they pick up this girl.

[944] at a bar and i don't want to tell you anymore i don't want to give you any more spoil alerts but it's fucking great it's really fun and it makes me mad that they just didn't do that and then just shut it off like you should have made a half hour movie you know just if that's all you had what got the movie and they go oh we got to we got to get another hour if i saw that if they brought out to me and said hey we need funding i'm like dude we're going to get you funding this fucking movie's great if that's all they showed you but then from there on it just gets It's not even that bad.

[945] It's just bad in comparison how good the first scene is.

[946] Is it all, it's shot like handheld camera?

[947] Yes.

[948] Everything is reality style, handheld camera.

[949] The first one, conveniently, the guy has glasses on that record video.

[950] I don't want to tell you anymore, but it's great.

[951] It's really fun.

[952] What's your thoughts on the original Texas Chainsaw Mask?

[953] Love it.

[954] Love it.

[955] Scary as fuck.

[956] Believable.

[957] Everybody's dirty.

[958] They're a bunch of dirty, weird hippies.

[959] They stink.

[960] They smell right through the video.

[961] You can smell it.

[962] It's so real.

[963] And I think they said it did smell.

[964] I'm sure it did.

[965] Everything about it stunk.

[966] It looked real.

[967] The way that guy moved, he moved like a real creeper.

[968] There was no fakeness to anything, no CGI.

[969] And again, I think that's what's lacking in these movies these days is they're so polished.

[970] And there isn't a real, doing special makeup effects and practical effects is getting, you've got to get dirty.

[971] And you've got to work really long days and you're going to make people uncomfortable.

[972] There's a ton of stories on, you know, actors getting glue in every which area.

[973] And then you've got to shoot for a 24 -hour day and then take it all off.

[974] And there's just nothing fun about it.

[975] But.

[976] 24 -hour day?

[977] So what do they know?

[978] Like, I heard a story.

[979] Gary Oldman actually told it on the movie Dracula, where he was in the bat costume.

[980] It's only a couple shots in the movie.

[981] It's near the end when he transforms into the bat guy.

[982] And they made a, at the last minute, they made a whole foam late.

[983] latex rubber suit that this guy was in glued him in made him up and he you know it was I don't know four or five six seven eight hour process just to get him in it and looking right so they knowing how much time's in they go let's just shoot it out so I think they shot a whole day and then it came time to take him out you know here's a guy in a brand new stinking suit that's been sweating for you know 24 hours they took him out of the suit and I guess when they opened up the back he had developed sores within that 24 hour period and he'd go take him to a skin doctor and get all the stuff for him to get taken care of.

[984] And, you know.

[985] Meanwhile, that suit was badass.

[986] And it looked phenomenal.

[987] Yeah.

[988] You know.

[989] Everything he did when he played the bat, when he became a wolf, all that shit.

[990] Yeah.

[991] How many different things did he become?

[992] Rats.

[993] He became rats.

[994] Yeah.

[995] That same scene, he's the vampire batty walks into a shadow.

[996] And then they light it out.

[997] So the suit's gone.

[998] And then he becomes a whole stack of rats.

[999] Like he all of a sudden became rats.

[1000] And they fall and then they run.

[1001] Oh, that's right.

[1002] Mist.

[1003] He's the old Dracula, young Dracula.

[1004] Pull up Gary Oldman Dracula.

[1005] See if they have old Dracula the video.

[1006] He was great.

[1007] And then, you know, the werewolf.

[1008] I think he was a wolf, just a regular wolf too, even.

[1009] Yeah, he was a wolf.

[1010] He was definitely a werewolf at one point in time, right?

[1011] That was a sexy Dracula, too, man. Like, there's other Dracula where I didn't buy that they were actually going after it.

[1012] But when you get a guy who's such a good actor as Gary Oldman, you really believe.

[1013] believe he loves that chick like he loves her like everything from the beginning and she's falling for everything he's doing yeah you believe it and she's hot as fuck you know and like just everything about it when he was an old man it was magical like they did a fantastic job and they did it so atypically like look at his hair and everything yeah great canon won the academy award for this movie for makeup well he deserved it and i think it went for her costume design and something else like how unusual is the hair like what a weird choice right like i don't even understand the the origins of that i think there's some japanese roots to that the looks really the costume designer i think she was japanese like look at his hair like what is that that's so strange it's like he's never cut it for a thousand years and it's got titty hair you know what it is it's like the he's the one he's the one thing that i think is a distraction in this piano yeah yeah it's not good but you kind of you kind of you kind of you Kind of kind of suspend disbelief and say maybe a dumb guy just got kidnapped by Dracula.

[1014] Yeah, they needed the right guy to do that.

[1015] You need the guy where you believe it, you know?

[1016] Is Granada Hills close to us?

[1017] I don't know.

[1018] There's this, like, huge bear that's been just, like, running around and attacking people.

[1019] That's been going on since this morning.

[1020] There's a bear in Granada Hills?

[1021] It's only a black bear, though.

[1022] They just showed it, like, running.

[1023] And it's funny because there's all these, like, cameramen just, like, hanging out there with cameras.

[1024] And they're, like, the bears.

[1025] Well, we learned when Alex Connell was here, the difference between Yellowstone and Yosemite, which I always confused.

[1026] Yosemite being California and Yellowstone being like Montana and out there.

[1027] Yellowstone has grizzlies, but Yosemite just has black bears.

[1028] Because remember he was talking about, and I was like, dude, bears will kill people in Yosemite, but it's actually Yellowstone.

[1029] I get them confused.

[1030] So the bears that we have are not scary.

[1031] The bears that we have are black bears.

[1032] They'll still fuck you up, especially if you start.

[1033] stumble upon one with a baby and if you feel you know it feels like you're threatening but they don't really like hunt people is these the ones that we have in pasadena yes yeah yeah they go in pasadena the people of pools which can segue us to a really crappy movie called grizzly that came out right after jaws and it had oh no okay what did you think about the relic did you see that movie i i did and stan winston did the special effects on that and that was almost a movie that was too dark.

[1034] If you really watch the movie, they shot it really dark and you didn't see really anything.

[1035] But when you did, it was a CGI monster at the end.

[1036] Oh, was it?

[1037] Yeah.

[1038] They had a lot of...

[1039] The end sucked, right?

[1040] But there was parts in the middle.

[1041] It had a good first half, and then it kind of went away.

[1042] Yeah.

[1043] I remember I forgave it.

[1044] It was fun enough.

[1045] I mean, I need a monster movie every couple of years, man. I don't get one.

[1046] And there hasn't been one in a long time.

[1047] Somebody tried to tell me that Pacific Rim was good.

[1048] and they were wrong.

[1049] Yeah.

[1050] And they were mean because they made me watch that fucking movie.

[1051] And three quarters of the way through I was calling them up, dude, fuck you.

[1052] Can't believe you made me waste an hour watching this movie.

[1053] Yeah, robots versus monsters.

[1054] Which is fine.

[1055] But there's some scenes involving people where you go, what are you doing to me?

[1056] Why are you making me watch this?

[1057] You know what I'm here for, bitch?

[1058] The person who enjoyed this, they tried to make a movie that appeals to dumb guys and dumb girls.

[1059] That's what they tried to do.

[1060] They tried to make it like, we'll throw a little dumb girl shit in here now.

[1061] Here's some love in the middle of your fucking crazy movie about robots and aliens.

[1062] Assholes.

[1063] Assholes.

[1064] That was made by Guillermo del Toro.

[1065] I know.

[1066] That's what's so confusing.

[1067] Because he did Pans Labrnith, which I think is brilliant.

[1068] Plans Labyrinth, which is a great makeup effects movie as well.

[1069] Fantastic.

[1070] Pull that up.

[1071] Pan's Labyrinth, the dude.

[1072] What is it called?

[1073] The guy with the eyes on his hands?

[1074] Whatever it was I loved that thing Really great concepts That's probably the last movie I have really good creature stuff And effective and working right And there was something about that movie Especially because it was a period piece That you're willing to believe it more Absolutely That was a brilliant movie If you haven't seen Pan's Is it Laberneth or Labrneath?

[1075] Labrith, Labrith Why do I say Labreneth?

[1076] I know why because I'm thinking of Labia There's a great movie, man It holds up, man Oh, it certainly does And there's some CGI in this movie too Sure But it's unoffensive Because it's again things that aren't real Like fairies Weird little alien fairy thing like that Fantasy base But then like that guy That guy's a real thing He was a real special effects Or was he?

[1077] Yeah, that's a full rubber suit Yeah And then that's his mouth And then I think his eyes were mechanical he was so creepy and you know what else is good about this movie the fact that it's in subtitles and i know what you're saying joe what the fuck are you saying but there's something about it being in subtitles that it makes it even easier to believe because you don't know if they're badly acting exactly because you don't know what they're saying so you're reading it so in a way it's sort of like the ultimate comic book style creepy herey type movie because you put your own interpretation of the words by reading it yeah Yeah, yeah.

[1078] There's a, there's a French movie called Hot Tension, but they did, I don't know if it's a remake or it's, I know it's the same French director called High Tension.

[1079] I don't know if you've seen that.

[1080] It's a slasher movie.

[1081] No. And it's in French, and it's really effective.

[1082] I would put that on your list of things to see.

[1083] High Tension.

[1084] High Tension.

[1085] You know, someone has actually recommended that before and I never took them up on.

[1086] I got to check that out.

[1087] But that was, that one, if you haven't seen, if you've never seen a movie with subtitles, that you liked, give that one a try.

[1088] I guarantee you that one's pretty dope.

[1089] That's one of my favorite creepy movies like pretty much ever.

[1090] There's so many good elements to it too.

[1091] What is this one here?

[1092] High tension.

[1093] This is high tension.

[1094] Oh, see, you got to...

[1095] I think it's dubbed.

[1096] There's a French version that...

[1097] God damn it.

[1098] These motherfuckers and they're dubbing!

[1099] That's one extra thing to think about.

[1100] Why is their lips moving in different words are coming out you know it's like the girl with the dragon tattoo did you see that yeah you got to see that in its original language it's brilliant sure yeah this director this movie was such a success he did the hills have eyes remake plus you feel smarter when you go to see a good movie with subtitles you feel like you're doing something extra what was that movie was it Lefemniquita, they remade with We just find it.

[1101] Oh, that used to be my favorite, the original one.

[1102] The original one is badass.

[1103] Point of no return.

[1104] Yeah, point of no return is.

[1105] Yeah, they basically renamed it to the girl with the dragon tattoo.

[1106] It's the same chick.

[1107] Yeah.

[1108] It's a badass chick who's crazy.

[1109] You know, who happens to be an assassin.

[1110] It's the same girl.

[1111] It's the same fucking girl.

[1112] Which is the same director.

[1113] Have you seen the professional?

[1114] Is it the same director?

[1115] This is the professional with...

[1116] Oh, so he just makes badass chicks that fucking people up.

[1117] And then he did the fifth element, which had the badass...

[1118] What's his name again?

[1119] What was that dude's name?

[1120] Luke Besant.

[1121] Bisson, that's right.

[1122] Yeah.

[1123] And wasn't he the actor in it, too?

[1124] He was the actor in the Bridget Fonda version of it?

[1125] Ooh, I don't think so.

[1126] Rigid?

[1127] Who was the guy that was in the Brigitte Fonda version of it?

[1128] If I'm confusing my French guys?

[1129] Gabriel Byrne, I believe, was in...

[1130] No, there was another guy, though.

[1131] Oh, the love interest?

[1132] No, the assassin who trains the little girl, the professional.

[1133] Am I thinking of the professional?

[1134] The professional.

[1135] Professional, yeah, and that's Jean Reno.

[1136] Oh, different guy.

[1137] Jean Renault, who was in...

[1138] Godzella.

[1139] See, to me, I'm like, the way I look at French people is the way racist people look at black people.

[1140] They're all the same.

[1141] It's all the same.

[1142] Is it Jean -Claude Van Dan was in that movie?

[1143] No, it was Luke Bezon.

[1144] Oh.

[1145] Was it at George St. Pierre?

[1146] No, it was Luc Bezon.

[1147] Besant.

[1148] Levesant.

[1149] Luke Bezon.

[1150] I just watched, we were talking about it yesterday at midnight in Paris, the Woody Allen movie.

[1151] Okay.

[1152] Which is a really good fucking movie.

[1153] but it takes place all in France and it's sort of a time travel movie I don't want to say any more about what it is other than that but when you have to recreate a period like when you see a period piece movie you got to get everything right like I've watched episodes of Boardwalk Empire and you know you look at the detail involved in that like they even got the pool cues right they got the right kind of pool cues for that era like that's amazing like there's like very specific type of pool cues that people had like in the you know the roaring 20s or whenever it was and that was supposed to take place and they actually got that right too they got everything right yeah that's a lot of goddamn work yeah here's a little finniquita remember this scene?

[1154] Yeah she was so hot she was plus you couldn't tell if she was annoying because you had to read her words you know she ended up I think it was right after this she was in John Landis's vampire movie Innocent Blood.

[1155] Oh, yeah.

[1156] Which was not the greatest.

[1157] Yeah, what happened?

[1158] How's John Lannis go from the most awesome movie of monsters ever to that stupid vampire movie?

[1159] I don't know.

[1160] He's better with werewolves than vampires.

[1161] Or maybe somebody cock blocked it behind the scenes.

[1162] You know how the business is, right?

[1163] What about what about ghosts, ghost movies?

[1164] I hate ghost movies, almost all of them.

[1165] I watched The Conjuring the other day.

[1166] I was halfway through to shut it off.

[1167] What about like the Shrine?

[1168] Everybody told me it was really good.

[1169] I was like, Pitch, why are you going in the basement?

[1170] What about the shiny?

[1171] Shining was great.

[1172] I loved it.

[1173] Even though I like the book better, I hate saying that, but I really did.

[1174] I really enjoyed that book.

[1175] I just discovered a movie, and the reason I saw is because Dick Smith, who's a makeup man, he had worked on this in the 70s called the Sentinel.

[1176] And it's in New York, and it's got Burgess Meredith in it, and it's a creepy ghost movie.

[1177] And I had some old school special makeup effect stuff in it, but really effective.

[1178] Well, I shouldn't say I don't like ghost movies.

[1179] I just have I don't I get there's no memorable one that really stands out how about the fog it was okay the mist is another the new Stephen King one that was not bad yeah that's that's creatures in the yeah what about um how about the ring did the ring work for you I didn't watch it really yeah I watched the American version of it yeah was the American version called the ring was it called the same thing yeah but there was a the Japanese version well ring ring Okay, yeah.

[1180] Blair Witch freaked me out pretty well.

[1181] The American version was okay.

[1182] It was actually okay.

[1183] You know what I actually enjoyed, but they showed too much of it, was Mama.

[1184] Yeah.

[1185] That was another, isn't that Grandma Duthoro as well?

[1186] He produced it.

[1187] I really liked that in parts.

[1188] Until the end, and they kind of...

[1189] They showed too much.

[1190] They tried to wrap it all up in a pretty bow.

[1191] They tried to do that.

[1192] They got rid of the cunty baby.

[1193] Spoiler alert.

[1194] They did a lot of stupid shit.

[1195] It didn't make any sense to me. I think that's the other thing I think with modern movies and with remakes even is they try to tell you so much and force feed every single detail on you when I think it's a very, you don't need that.

[1196] You just need to be thrown in the situation and react.

[1197] Yeah, I completely agree.

[1198] It's sort of weird that that seems to be something that it needs to be said, though.

[1199] It seems all the backstory and the history, the history of the history.

[1200] In the end, it's all fixed.

[1201] Well, I think ultimately it's really difficult to get a single.

[1202] vision and have that idea that you have and then get it made like you could do it if you're like one of those John Carpenter motherfuckers or you know back in the day especially or if you're James Cameron you could pull that off people listen to you like you already made a million giant hits they'll listen to you but if like a regular person I think it's super difficult if there's any money involved at all because then a bunch of people come in and then they start giving you rewrites and they start telling you what they want they start adding shit they want to make it bigger bigger bigger bigger like that argument exists everything in sitcoms and making movies there's too many cooks in the kitchen man too many cooks in the kitchen and it just becomes shit and that's that happens so often that that's why there's like this glut of shit movies it's not because people make shit movies it's because they have to make shit movies because everybody wants to add their fucking i don't want to throw paprika in the stew And before you know it, this is, yeah, this is the stupid one.

[1203] But it's hilarious.

[1204] The thing.

[1205] Yeah.

[1206] John Carpenter's version.

[1207] It's great.

[1208] For the time, this shit was amazing.

[1209] I love the scene when they were all lighting up the blood.

[1210] Yeah.

[1211] And that little stick the thing in the blood.

[1212] Yeah.

[1213] Oh, that was great.

[1214] And that was like a perfect, you know, film set up where they kept showing him putting the hot wire on the blood.

[1215] and then the shot right before it's a fake hand holding the little petri dish with the blood in it and they show you a fake hand and you're not aware of that and he does the blood and doesn't work and then they cut right back to the same thing and then the mechanical device was in the fake hand and it shot out.

[1216] Wow.

[1217] So maybe the reality of having to physically pull it off set up the shots and sold it better.

[1218] See, there's a thing about the ability to create movies now and special effects that you could do now, which you can really do amazing stuff with like a home computer now.

[1219] Like some people have made some really crazy videos that you could check out online and they've done it with like, you know, regular computers you can buy in a store.

[1220] But the really, the stuff that's like really fun and exciting is not that.

[1221] The stuff that's really fun and exciting is like, like the movies like Alien, like these really complicated shot movies where everything is timed right and there's just suspenseful.

[1222] build up like I think people have sort of lost that lost a script somewhere along the lawn you know they've they've lost the what makes a movie good it's not seeing a bunch of shit it's like it has to have a story yeah and it seems like yeah another thing that's so popular now is you go to a movie and in the first 10 minutes you're basically seeing everything you know you're going to see at the very end and they just don't build up to an ending you know or even worse they show you everything in the trailer well I guess Well, for sure.

[1223] That's brutal.

[1224] That drives me crazy.

[1225] When I see everything in the trailer, I just want to jump out of window.

[1226] It's like, why are you showing me the end of the movie, you fucking dummies?

[1227] You're showing me every funny thing that happens.

[1228] You're showing me that that guy dies.

[1229] Okay, now I know I'm going to watch the movie and that guy dies because you showed me him dying, you dummies.

[1230] Imagine if you made a movie and you watched those assholes, hack it up, just try to sell tickets, make that stupid trailer.

[1231] You got to go, you got to tell people, avoid the trailer from my movie.

[1232] I know it's supposed to get you to go.

[1233] see it but avoid it please thanks I think that's gonna no no one ever says that right that will eventually they will with social media when someone has like someone like John Carpenter has a hundred million Twitter followers and he says fuck commercials just to send out tweets here's my new movie there's no trailers we don't need to see a show trust me hopefully yeah that's gonna happen eventually maybe not fuck my when I know something about movie business been to two Kevin James movies I'm an expert you know goddamn thing about the movie this.

[1234] Do you ever try to put together a film on your own?

[1235] Do you have like ideas that you've ever made a film on your own?

[1236] Well I have one that I've been working on for a while, actually.

[1237] Is that that that secret thing that you showed me?

[1238] Yeah.

[1239] You can't talk about that, right?

[1240] Well, I can talk about the subject matter and we've actually talked about a lot.

[1241] Yeah, it's a big, it's a bigfoot movie.

[1242] Tung, ta -tun.

[1243] Absolutely.

[1244] But you can't show that.

[1245] You don't want to show that clip.

[1246] No. No, not yet.

[1247] Don't do it.

[1248] No. Because I want to keep it.

[1249] Exactly.

[1250] You know.

[1251] It's a very expensive.

[1252] Yeah.

[1253] But, you know, Duncan Russell and I were actually talking about this before we found out that Bobcat had made that movie.

[1254] They were saying that someone needs to make like a good, modern, scary Bigfoot movie.

[1255] Like, it hasn't been done.

[1256] You would think, like, boy, all the, like, mythical things, like, why aren't they making that?

[1257] Bobcat's take on it's fantastic.

[1258] The only Bigfoot movie that I think of that has any value is the Harry and the Henderson's.

[1259] It's in a total another category than what I think needs to be done.

[1260] Yeah.

[1261] Oh, that's real.

[1262] What is that?

[1263] That's the sneak peek of his new movie.

[1264] You know what that is?

[1265] That's White Snake meets Bigfoot.

[1266] Here I go again on my own.

[1267] Oh, boy.

[1268] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[1269] It's pretty real.

[1270] And I think that's the thing is it's really easy to take Bigfoot and make it a comedy.

[1271] Yeah.

[1272] It's a real, so you've got to walk that fine line of making it as real and scary as possible with not showing too much.

[1273] And you have a guy in a suit running around like a comedy.

[1274] Yeah.

[1275] Do you try to make it look like, like say if you're making a movie about an alien, you know, and they say there's aliens, like little gray aliens.

[1276] Do you try to make it based on what the common vision of what those things look like?

[1277] Because it seems to be like an archetype.

[1278] Well, it would depend on the direct.

[1279] You know, are they going to, you know, as a producer or director, are going to say, hey, we want it to look like the typical gray alien or, hey, go crazy, show us what you got.

[1280] And unfortunately, that's really not what's happening nowadays with the special makeup field producers and directors, they're coming to us with the artwork already done.

[1281] Right.

[1282] So now we're just technicians kind of creating, you know, what, okay, needs to do this and that shot, okay, we'll make a head that blinks.

[1283] And that's about it.

[1284] And we're kind of losing the design element because everyone's a, you know, a creature, monster designer or a filmmaker.

[1285] Do you, so you would prefer if someone, as they, you know, they put together a script, they came to you and said, okay, how should we shoot this?

[1286] Sure.

[1287] Yeah, the dream job is, hey, we want to, we're going to do an alien and we want you to give us the best, the coolest alien you can do and help us figure out how to film what you can do.

[1288] The basis of my question was if you were going to do a Bigfoot, would you base it on the popular folklore of Bigfoot or would you add like an element to it?

[1289] Oh, I definitely would add elements.

[1290] You definitely want to cover the standard bases.

[1291] The basis for sure.

[1292] And I would, I already, I mean, I have the idea is to to basically kind of explain without cramming it down someone's throat, you know, footprints in the mud and all that.

[1293] Are you handicapped at all by like the Patterson footage because it's so.

[1294] so ingrained in people's heads?

[1295] Probably.

[1296] I mean, if you're going to branch too far left and not stick to it, there's obviously going to be those people that are going to go, you know, that's not the real Bigfoot.

[1297] You know, that's the real Bigfoot.

[1298] But, you know, you want to, as an artist, you want to put your own twist on it.

[1299] And, you know, if you're doing anything right, it should take off.

[1300] What are, like, if you're going to do a movie today, like say if you have some monster and how much is involved how much of it is special effects and how much of it is makeup meaning how much of it is like this mechanical thing that you control with like remote controls and stuff because isn't that a lot of it?

[1301] Well it would depend again on the design of an effect and the approach a classic situation for a mechanical effect versus a makeup effect is you could have a shot you can think of a lot of 80s or 70s horror movies where we go we want this guy's fake head on a table and then he's going to come to life as a zombie and bite you and so the expensive approach is okay well we'll make a fake head and do all these thousands of dollars worth of mechanical things in it and make the eyes do this that and the other and bite and they can pick it up and do this stuff or you could cut a hole in the table stick a guy's head through and make up his neck make up his face and now you have an actor as a makeup doing that same type effect and in the movies in the 80s they were limited with mechanics and time so they would do combinations of the two and that's whereas you know you kind of bridge the two people are confused so they go oh that was a fake hit oh that looks like a real head oh that is a real head oh and you're confusing people so it's that magician's trick so the approach is what do you need it to do right so the magician's trick only works if you have a sleight of hand if it's very quick which is editing right so that's what you have in those movies yeah and i think the real effect of good ones, like the ones we were talking about, the editing is as important as special effect as the makeup, the monsters, the music and sound.

[1302] How did you get involved in doing this?

[1303] It was really a hobby.

[1304] I was always drawing, sculpting as a little kid, drawing snakes and monsters and all that kind of scary stuff.

[1305] And then I saw American Rolls and London at the age of seven.

[1306] And shortly after that, a thriller came out.

[1307] Oh, yeah, that's right.

[1308] Which was John Landis and Rick Baker.

[1309] And I remember seeing that.

[1310] It was around Halloween time when it just come out.

[1311] And it was in this, I was at some Halloween thing and they were playing the video on Loop.

[1312] And I think I watched it six times in a row because they would go to the making of thriller.

[1313] And they have a clip of American World for London.

[1314] And then they show you how they're making the werewolf and everything.

[1315] All my gears started spinning in my head and it was like, oh, you know, that's how it's done.

[1316] And, you know, the whole oh, you know, your parents are telling you You know, monsters aren't real, you know.

[1317] But it looks darn real to me in the movie.

[1318] And then seeing really the crossover, it really clicked.

[1319] Brian, turn the volume on.

[1320] This is a great scene.

[1321] I love you.

[1322] This is Michael Jackson, and it's hard to believe.

[1323] But hold on.

[1324] Put it before that.

[1325] Put the Transferred Nation scene.

[1326] What are you doing, bitch?

[1327] There's something.

[1328] I mean, Michael Jackson is so sweet and innocent, especially back then.

[1329] This is before all the awfulness came out.

[1330] Yes, Michael.

[1331] Not like other guys.

[1332] Of course not.

[1333] Brian, that's why I love you.

[1334] No, I mean I'm different.

[1335] What are you talking about?

[1336] I like boys.

[1337] Brian, that's so obvious.

[1338] Stop, you just ruined it.

[1339] He's getting uncomfortable around her right now.

[1340] Are you all right?

[1341] Shut away!

[1342] Oh, yeah.

[1343] Insert shots, so it has more weight to that.

[1344] This girl's so...

[1345] It's dramatic.

[1346] An original.

[1347] She needs to learn how to run.

[1348] She's just standing there.

[1349] Why does it have whiskers?

[1350] I think that's a poor choice.

[1351] This is the wear cat.

[1352] Is that what's supposed to be a cat?

[1353] They didn't want to, the decision was not to make him a werewolf because Michael Jackson should be more elegant like a cat.

[1354] So they made him a wear cat.

[1355] Oh, see, I thought it was a werewolf.

[1356] Just a weird -looking one.

[1357] That's why he's got the whiskers and the cat eyes.

[1358] Yeah, Michael actually turns into a lot of cats in a lot of different videos.

[1359] That's totally good.

[1360] And then it's all based on I was a teenage werewolf.

[1361] Oh, with a jacket?

[1362] Yeah.

[1363] Yeah.

[1364] Even the streaks in the hair.

[1365] You know what was really good in this, and in my opinion, maybe even perhaps better than anything, is the zombies.

[1366] The zombies were excellent.

[1367] They became kind of the stereotypical prototype zombie from then on, where they made the generic kind of eyebrows sunken in eye socket prosthetic.

[1368] And then every zombie movie since has followed that.

[1369] Totally, right?

[1370] Do you know what my favorite zombie movie is, though?

[1371] 28 days later.

[1372] Sure.

[1373] I felt like that movie.

[1374] And also, perfect example.

[1375] A movie they did in a shoestring budget.

[1376] They really didn't have much money.

[1377] So they didn't have, like, crazy special effects.

[1378] So when they showed you everything, everything was running and blurry and craziness, and they moved so fast, you know, it was a new thing.

[1379] And that's a great director, too.

[1380] That's a great fucking movie.

[1381] 28 days later is an all -time great.

[1382] How is the makeup in that?

[1383] It's not highlighted, I guess you could say.

[1384] So, I mean, there's some effective shots.

[1385] Nothing really standing out, but, you know, it served its purpose.

[1386] There wasn't, that's the other thing, too, with special makeup effects is, you know, I think what a lot of us strive to do is, is create these characters.

[1387] So you can really, it's almost like it's noticeable, not as necessarily a makeup effect, but you're remembering that effect as a character.

[1388] And something like 20 days later, there were just like little effect sequences that served the purpose.

[1389] They really create, it didn't invent anything.

[1390] unique.

[1391] They just served the purpose to get this thing done.

[1392] This is weird.

[1393] Watching them get made up.

[1394] Wow.

[1395] It's crazy.

[1396] Is that Rick Baker right there?

[1397] Yeah.

[1398] Putting contacts.

[1399] And back then those contacts are like hard little plastic shells that you could...

[1400] They would just scratch you up.

[1401] How long could he keep those in for?

[1402] I think like 20 minutes.

[1403] He said it could go.

[1404] Oh my God.

[1405] Look at all the tears.

[1406] Yeah.

[1407] It's like I can quote this whole thing.

[1408] He says like after 20 minutes and they start aching and paining.

[1409] That's what he said.

[1410] That's fun.

[1411] It feels like someone put Tabasco, hot sauce in my eyes.

[1412] It makes sense that's a cat, but I never put that together.

[1413] I always figured if it's changing, it's a werewolf.

[1414] But these zombies were fucking great.

[1415] So was her outfit.

[1416] Like, this is like...

[1417] I mean, everything's so iconic, and it's...

[1418] Look at the costume design.

[1419] I mean, you don't really have stuff like that anymore.

[1420] It's just so memorable.

[1421] And he's dancing as a zombie.

[1422] Like, that's...

[1423] Somehow or another, this was cool.

[1424] It seems so stupid.

[1425] Yeah.

[1426] Remember MTV had played it, you know, just only once in a while, like, and it was like 20 minutes.

[1427] Yeah, it was like a big deal.

[1428] I remember that marathon, too.

[1429] You go run.

[1430] I don't want to hear a yap about the making.

[1431] It was amazing.

[1432] Michael Dax was so nice to me. The other zombie movies, like, it's like, you've got two types of zombies.

[1433] You've got, like, the World War Z zombies who run at you real quick, 28 days later zombies, or you got the slow poke walking dead zombies.

[1434] Yes.

[1435] Which one do you like?

[1436] Which school are you in?

[1437] Like howling American werewolf, slow zombie fast.

[1438] Zombies, they kind of, they rate low on my gauge of things that I'm really into, actually.

[1439] But I'm actually neutral.

[1440] I like, you know what's funny is I like...

[1441] Like, this is a serious topic.

[1442] I like the original Dawn of the Dead, which is slow -moving, like, blue zombies.

[1443] And then the remake, which I thought was pretty effective, and they're fast.

[1444] and it's a complete opposite, so.

[1445] The remake, they were fast?

[1446] Yeah.

[1447] I didn't watch the remake.

[1448] Was it good?

[1449] It was pretty good, actually.

[1450] Really?

[1451] Zach Snyder directed that.

[1452] I didn't hear anything about it.

[1453] That was like 2004.

[1454] Yeah, that was a big movie.

[1455] It was a pretty big hit.

[1456] It just seems like those things that, like, there's certain movies that I just feel like, why did you redo that?

[1457] Like, I feel that way about Carrie.

[1458] That's one they didn't need to do.

[1459] Did they fuck it up?

[1460] I didn't see it.

[1461] I won't see that.

[1462] I was supposed to go see it.

[1463] tonight.

[1464] You know, the premise for Carrie and with that the girl playing her, she's the wrong look for what Carrie should be.

[1465] Somebody put this on my message board.

[1466] That's pretty badass.

[1467] What is that?

[1468] Yetty.

[1469] I think it's a, yeah, is that a Yetty?

[1470] Yeti.

[1471] Do you know they found what they think the Yeti is?

[1472] They found hair that they did a DNA match on an ancient, believed to be extinct bear.

[1473] It's a cross between a polar bear and a grizzly bear, like some sort of a hybrid bear.

[1474] It's a real animal.

[1475] So they think that there's just this bear that looks really weird.

[1476] Because apparently they had two matches.

[1477] And one of them was from some hair from like the early 1900s.

[1478] And the other one was from some hair that was recently discovered.

[1479] And when they both cross -matched with this ancient, believed to be extinct bear.

[1480] So it was really fascinating because they think they might have solved it.

[1481] They might think it might be a weird, rare bear.

[1482] Because if you think about it, bears vary quite a bit from, pandas to grizzlies to polar they vary quite a bit and apparently this bear is so unusual looking the guy who shot it in like the early 1900s like he saved you know pieces of it and like was trying to tell people like this is like this I found some crazy animal it's undiscovered thing that's where the story of the Yeti came from it's like some fucking weird looking bear probably a big giant half panda looking motherfucker who just doesn't look like he belongs there and they thought it was a Yeti but it's really just a bear Yeah, that's my take on a Yeti.

[1483] That's awesome.

[1484] When did you do this?

[1485] I did that a couple years ago.

[1486] It's fucking great, man. If you were doing the Patterson Bigfoot footage, they'd have to leave the shit out of it.

[1487] He's got a woman's leg in his left.

[1488] So, like, would you do Bigfoot the same way?

[1489] Because that's perfect.

[1490] Don't fuck it out.

[1491] I mean, he'd be similar, but there's some differences.

[1492] I got a design for my Bigfoot, and there's a, I don't want to say radical, but there's some streamlined different things.

[1493] Are you going to make this?

[1494] Is this going to be available just like a werewolf?

[1495] The Yeti?

[1496] I've sold a couple of these, yeah.

[1497] Oh, so you're making it.

[1498] He's big.

[1499] He's really big.

[1500] Oh, dude.

[1501] Count me in.

[1502] To his head, he's probably eight feet.

[1503] So with the hand even more.

[1504] Well, guess what?

[1505] The werewolf just moved to the back of the building.

[1506] We've got a new sheriff in town.

[1507] Yeah, he's a big guy.

[1508] Awesome.

[1509] Him and the werewolf could battle it out.

[1510] So is it fit in here?

[1511] Yeah.

[1512] How tall would it be?

[1513] Well, I...

[1514] Like if I put it behind me. Would it go up to the ceiling?

[1515] His arm would, but I can tilt it forward at a 45 or something.

[1516] Let's make it happen.

[1517] Let's make it happen, Pat McGee.

[1518] The girl that he brought it is so creepy just sitting here staring.

[1519] Linda Blair.

[1520] Okay, that's a perfect example of a great movie that had a little bit of special effects.

[1521] I know like when her head rotates around a circle.

[1522] Well, that's the number one horror movie of all time.

[1523] Of all time.

[1524] You know, for most.

[1525] Yeah.

[1526] That had the makeup of Dick Smith.

[1527] And that's really was one of the very first movies to kind of encompass a lot of makeup and mechanical effects.

[1528] And the villain, which was, you know, Reagan, her makeup was very, I don't want to say, it was ugly, you know, the painting and she was very bruised and it was irregular.

[1529] And everything kind of before that was very clean and, you know, symmetrical and nice to, you know, it was still a monster, but it's kind of nice.

[1530] This was the one that made it kind of real.

[1531] You know, a movie they never really got right, Frankenstein.

[1532] never really got that one right like all of them yeah I mean the original one's kind of fun because of its time but much in the way that that King Kong is fun before it's time but it doesn't really represent her book her book is really fascinating sure you know the book is brilliant and there's so many aspects of that book like the anger that the monster has for this guy making him alive and you know I think they're working on them right now are they really yeah there's a trailer just was released oh beautiful look at that synchronicity This is it This is Frankenstein The room is it true Already a bunch of CG Yeah A bunch of weird shit Why is that guy flying I was given life 200 years Oh bitch shut this off right now Shut this off right now How dare you There you go That looks like shit That looks like shit on Stale bread That's Frankenstein This is terrible Frankenstein knows Kung Fu He's flying through the air This is There you go.

[1533] Swooping.

[1534] This is the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.

[1535] Maybe video games are a lot to blame, you know?

[1536] I don't know.

[1537] They did it with De Niro.

[1538] They did a Frankenstein with De Niro.

[1539] It didn't too bad.

[1540] That was not bad, right?

[1541] Kenneth Brenna, I think.

[1542] Was it good?

[1543] I don't remember.

[1544] I don't remember.

[1545] I don't remember.

[1546] Yeah, I remember thinking like that Frankenstein, we're just going to go, you're talking to me?

[1547] It?

[1548] I'm talking to me over here.

[1549] I got fucking stitches.

[1550] You're talking to me?

[1551] Something about I wasn't willing Except De Niro as Frankenstein There's some people that just like They're too iconic to play certain parts You know But he was great in Cape Fear Oh, it was fantastic in Cape Fear And that's a good point But I didn't know that it was a Robert Mitcher movie I didn't know that it was a remake So when I first saw it I just took it on its own merit But there's a big difference between him Doing a character in a movie That's an amazing character And him doing a thing like Frankenstein You know like come on man you're not Frankenstein not buying it like if he had to play ted bundy i'm like pitch you're not ted bundy i know who ted bundy is you know even though he's a great actor if it was based on a real guy and i don't know frankestine isn't but it's so iconic it might as well be a real guy it's so represented by the dude with the flat head the bolts on it like that's just what everybody sees yeah staples and the bolts in the neck yeah it's really tough to get away from that imagery yeah i was like why isn't his head flat yeah why isn't his head flat where the bolts is in the book at all.

[1552] Not at all.

[1553] But they got you.

[1554] Yeah.

[1555] They invented that.

[1556] The head flat, the bolts in the neck.

[1557] Is that De Niro?

[1558] That's De Niro's, yeah.

[1559] Yeah, but that's the makeup.

[1560] What did it look like in the actual movie itself when you see it?

[1561] That's like too harsh.

[1562] Yeah, that's what it looks like.

[1563] The color version of it.

[1564] See, go to the full image.

[1565] Wow.

[1566] That's not bad.

[1567] Not bad makeup.

[1568] It seems like what it would look like.

[1569] It's real looking.

[1570] It's very stonony.

[1571] actually.

[1572] What do you think about that new movie with Stallone and Robert Teniro?

[1573] I can't believe that.

[1574] That was the movie that they asked me to be the commentator.

[1575] Oh, really?

[1576] Yeah.

[1577] Joey Deez isn't it?

[1578] Yeah, Joey's going to steal that movie.

[1579] Joey apparently they showed a preview of the movie and Joey was there in a live audience and so when Joey comes on the stream they start screaming, if you ain't high by 2 p .m., go fuck yourself.

[1580] And it's blue shoes with wings or go fuck your mother.

[1581] They start yelling out Joey Diaz quotes in the audience to the point where like the people who made the movie was like who is that guy like the people in the audience if you do you know who joey dyes is yeah and when joey goes on screen apparently they just went insane and start cheering and so the people who made the movie got confused and then they they pulled them in front meeting they didn't know what they had when they had them in the movie they thought they just had this character actor they had no idea it's like an internet legend wow you know so just they're so removed from that world you know the world of the internet.

[1582] But if you're a young guy, most likely, in 2013, if you have any friends that are worth a shit, you know Joey Diaz.

[1583] The movie is like dog shit.

[1584] They're going to box.

[1585] They're 80 years old.

[1586] I know.

[1587] It's so bad.

[1588] Well, they're calling it Rocky versus Raging Bull.

[1589] How dare you?

[1590] Don't even play this.

[1591] Go see that for Joey Diaz only.

[1592] Everything else hurts your brain.

[1593] But if you're high enough, it might be good.

[1594] But I mean really high.

[1595] Like scared to be.

[1596] alive high.

[1597] I guess I never put the two together that De Niro was in Raging Bull.

[1598] It was fantastic.

[1599] So that's the reason why you're supposed to be able to believe that he could box because you have that in the back of your head.

[1600] Like, oh, no, no. He's a good boxing.

[1601] Well, he's, you know, you would believe it.

[1602] I mean, he did a really great job.

[1603] Raging Bull, in fact, was one of the best boxing movies ever.

[1604] Like, his portrayal of a boxer was super realistic.

[1605] He was just so goddamn good when he was at his best.

[1606] Back in the day, the old days of De Niro, taxi driver god damn he was good and everything he did he was just so amazing but now he does these like Michelle Fiper movies where he plays a wizard ever see that I miss that one he just does like whenever they come to him with he's like hey how much you got actually taxi driver that's Dick Smith again when he's got the mohawk and he's bald that's all makeup that's a fake bald cap and it is yeah no one really everyone overlooks that Why would he just get a mom?

[1607] I think because they were shooting out of sequence or he had something else he was doing and couldn't shave it.

[1608] That's amazing then.

[1609] Really incredible job.

[1610] Yeah.

[1611] And that's where I can appreciate makeup where, you know, you just, you fooled everybody without making it obvious.

[1612] You know what hurt my brain?

[1613] Riddick.

[1614] I went to see the new Riddick movie.

[1615] Holy shit.

[1616] That's another one where CGI really like, God damn it.

[1617] One that really kills all the classic monsters was Van Helsing.

[1618] Oh, God.

[1619] It had everything set up on paper to look like a great movie And then they made it Those fucks, look at this wolf What is that from?

[1620] I don't know It was a girl transforming into a wolf Brutal Why is it so hard to make a good monster movie?

[1621] Why are they not like a bunch of, like everybody loves them If you have a really good monster movie, everybody loves it So what is the deal?

[1622] How come they can't get that right?

[1623] But there's like a million girlie movies how come they get to do that right I don't know How many people ask me if I saw the notebook I've seen the notebook How dare you You gotta learn how to say no It's important You can stand your ground There's time to stand your ground That's one Yeah Let's go see the notebook No Oh I didn't see You're not gonna do that to me You know That's like asking a chick chick To watch a bass fishing program You know It's a bit like maybe two girls on the planet and want to watch bass fishing on TV.

[1624] That's what it is.

[1625] The notebook is like the girl version of bass fishing.

[1626] You either like it or you don't.

[1627] Or Twilight.

[1628] Or Twilight.

[1629] You liked it?

[1630] Did you love it?

[1631] His favorite movie?

[1632] The notebook?

[1633] No book?

[1634] For what it is.

[1635] Is there any special effects that we need to know about the notebook?

[1636] Oh, just ride and costly.

[1637] Is he in it or thought it was the other guy was in it?

[1638] The other guy's in it, too.

[1639] They're both in it?

[1640] It's a double dose of hunk.

[1641] Who's the other one?

[1642] What's the Tatum, Channing Tatum?

[1643] Is it in him?

[1644] Watched that.

[1645] Huh?

[1646] You did.

[1647] You watched it.

[1648] You got it at home.

[1649] You got it on your DVR.

[1650] Save three times just in case there's a crash.

[1651] Here's one.

[1652] I remember Dead Alive.

[1653] Have you ever seen Dead Alive?

[1654] What is that?

[1655] It's Peter Jackson's like First First Works, the guy he went on to do Lord of the Rings.

[1656] Right.

[1657] The King Kong.

[1658] It's like an evil dead, crazy, cartoony over the top.

[1659] Dead Alive?

[1660] Yeah.

[1661] I remember the poster had to do that.

[1662] like the yeah the mouth you should probably check that one out too I mean it's silly but it's very evil dead yeah isn't there a new Dracula that's going to be on TV now yeah something oh oh is haunting oh it's hilarious it's it's it's oh I've seen this the baby yeah I've seen this and the guys they're eating like porridge or pudding or something and it's an interesting He never wished her any harm.

[1663] You look after me, that.

[1664] Until...

[1665] Your mother's dead, Lionel.

[1666] Now, whatever mom's gone...

[1667] Who's your mother?

[1668] Has caught on with the neighbors.

[1669] Please, me, miss you know what they mean?

[1670] You can pray.

[1671] You can plead it.

[1672] You can beg for mercy.

[1673] Whoa.

[1674] How do you kill something?

[1675] That's all right.

[1676] Ready, get it.

[1677] Okay, I get it.

[1678] That's a tame take on what the visuals are.

[1679] Did you like Cabin in the Woods?

[1680] I thought it was fun.

[1681] Fun, right?

[1682] I thought it was fun.

[1683] That's why I judge people to take things too seriously.

[1684] Like, people get mad.

[1685] Like, any of the people that I like, like Eddie Bravo hated that fucking movie.

[1686] He goes, dude, this is the worst movie.

[1687] This movie's so bad.

[1688] You're not going to believe how fucking...

[1689] He's one of those guys that needs movies to be realistic.

[1690] He did that on the podcast, remember?

[1691] And he kept on going, it has, like, Bigfoot in it.

[1692] Like, and he just named everything that you like.

[1693] Like, where I loved it?

[1694] Like, it's perfect.

[1695] I mean, this is a perfect movie.

[1696] Yeah.

[1697] It's like, you wish the end could have just kind of gone on more and more and you see everything going on there.

[1698] Yeah, I thought it was fun.

[1699] Remember nothing but trouble?

[1700] That was good.

[1701] What's that?

[1702] Oh, that's a good makeup.

[1703] Dan Aykroyd, Chevy Chase, Demi.

[1704] Oh, my God.

[1705] Oh, that was Demi Moore.

[1706] She keeps it together for a 50 -year -old, but God damn, she used to be hot.

[1707] The penis nose, remember that?

[1708] Yes.

[1709] Oh, that's right.

[1710] Dan Aykroyd played the guy with the penis nose.

[1711] And then John Candy's in it.

[1712] I think he plays like the daughter.

[1713] Digital Underground.

[1714] Dan Aykroyd is completely bonkers about UFOs.

[1715] Hawaiian Punch anyone?

[1716] Yeah, they still make that.

[1717] You can't say wine punch nipples anymore.

[1718] It doesn't make sense.

[1719] People don't have those cans anymore.

[1720] David Miller did the makeup effects in this.

[1721] He did the original Freddie Krueger.

[1722] Oh, really?

[1723] And cone heads.

[1724] He did the cone heads for that movie.

[1725] Hawaiian Punch with an oil can opener.

[1726] that was comedy back then crazy what he's doing that movie was actually really horrible like if I remember correct it was just a really bad what did you think of close encounters that's another movie where there was cut that was makeup right those were rubber those are dudes children they're children in leotarts yeah with latex masks shot really effectively I mean that's a that's a slow movie for that payoff at the end but that's kind of a perfect example of good filmmaking is yeah you could show someone a balloon you know if you film it right and do all the setup you can give them a hot air balloon and they're going to go that was amazing isn't that a film a perfect example also of the context of the times because there was no real alien movie like that before where they came and they were omnipotent and intelligent and able to control I mean there was no mysterious like it was a really brilliantly shot movie for the time it was so incredibly original that when Richard Dreyfus like looks out the window and gets sunburned and like remember everyone's freaking out and drawing that thing.

[1727] It's like the buildup was so intense for the time because it was nothing like it.

[1728] But now that we've seen, I mean, basically it opened up the door for a million different films that came afterwards.

[1729] So because of those films are already in our database, it's sort of we lose the impact, the original impact, of how good it was for the time.

[1730] Yeah, it's very subtle.

[1731] I don't know why I thought of in the 70s.

[1732] There's a movie called Dual.

[1733] What is this, Brian?

[1734] Garbage pale kids, man. Oh, that's...

[1735] There are you.

[1736] There's a movie called Duel that was Spielberg's, one of his early, early movies that he did just before Jaws, and it's a guy being chased by a guy driving a semi.

[1737] Have you ever seen it?

[1738] Oh, yeah.

[1739] And there's really nothing in the movie, but it's so effective, and I remember watching as a kid, and I was just drawn to it.

[1740] And it's just a guy driving a truck, but it's just shot so well.

[1741] That's right.

[1742] He's like a crazy guy, right?

[1743] They never really show the drive.

[1744] and it's just this ordinary businessman in the middle of Palm Desert over here he's driving off the 14 freeway and he's being chased by this Oh, I know one that I like Jeepers creepers That was a good movie That's a good fucking movie That's an underrated movie Absolutely Jeepers creepers don't Don't you laugh at me Brian Jeepers creepers is a fucking fun scary movie believable But again in the context of the times today with GPS and satellites and shit I don't believe it Dude pull up the trailer for Jeepers creepers It was good enough They did a sequel Exactly Brian Just like Twilight For me though With Cheapers Creepers is actually This is the one thing Where the makeup effects I kind of took me out When he had the big wings And he began this big carcoyal Almost took it too far Spoiler alert Sorry He just ruined the movie He ruined the whole Jeepers creepers How dare you There's children right now that are just learning to see the world through new eyes.

[1745] You have to spoil it for them.

[1746] I see what it is.

[1747] When people get older, man, they just fucking, they hate on the young kids coming up.

[1748] It was great because it was so silly, but it was still fun.

[1749] You're just a huge Justin Long fan.

[1750] No, I'm a huge Mac fan.

[1751] That's the Mac guy, right?

[1752] He's been in a few of those movies.

[1753] He was only 12 there, though, or something, driving a car.

[1754] He was in Drag Me to Hell too He's great In the middle of nowhere There's a tunnel That leads into a hole in the ground He falls in But it's But it's a 23 base It gets to Eat But it was mysterious enough Like they didn't show you too much Of what was going on Okay If you're looking for a stupid scary movie It's a good one Yeah They threw everything in that What are some really good ones That perhaps are a bit obscure That people might not know about Besides the ones you've already mentioned House?

[1755] House?

[1756] What is House?

[1757] Was that a good one?

[1758] House is William Cat It's like a haunted...

[1759] It's a little light It's from the 80s What's a good monster movie That people haven't heard of Besides Troll Hunter?

[1760] Do you see Troll Hunter?

[1761] I've seen parts How about prophecy Oh, that's not a bad one I'm 79 with the mutant bear Oh, that's a long ass time ago I remember that Had Talia Shire in it Talia Shire Wow Um, cheese Troll Troll How about the lepricon movies Yeah Those are outstanding Somehow I know those lepracons Were always around black people You ever notice that Those lepriccon movies I think they did lepriccon in the hood Look at this Oh, that's right Are these troll two is considered one of the top five worst movies at all time.

[1762] Is it worth seeing?

[1763] It's like it's so bad?

[1764] I don't think I've seen it.

[1765] Is it, Brian?

[1766] If you're a Jeepers, creepers, man you would love your old.

[1767] Wow.

[1768] It's just pretty bad.

[1769] This make Jeepers creepers look like Citizen Kane.

[1770] It's like a porno without the porn, actually.

[1771] That's hilarious.

[1772] How about Wax Works?

[1773] What's that?

[1774] That's from 1989.

[1775] It is, that was like right when they were starting to make a lot of straight to video films.

[1776] And it's got Zach Gallagher in it from Gremlins.

[1777] Wow.

[1778] And there's this waxworks in this house and a bunch of teenagers sneak in.

[1779] And one at the time they fall into each display of waxworks and then they become, the world becomes a reality.

[1780] So there's a werewolf in it.

[1781] There's a vampire.

[1782] It's pretty fun.

[1783] Wow, that sounds great.

[1784] I love those fucking stupid movies like that Where I know like a jeepers creeper movie What I like about it is I know it's supposed to be stupid You know going in I have very low expectations What about Cujo?

[1785] Didn't like it No At the time I did But I tried to watch again recently I'm like wow is this movie dated That same guy did Shoot that stupid dog How about Alligator?

[1786] There's the old 80s movie called Alligator No Never seen that?

[1787] No never seen it Remember how cool it was back in the day I don't know if you guys had it this in Los Angeles or wherever you from, but they had 3D movies where they would have, like, you would get this 3D glasses, and it would play like a movie with the red and blue.

[1788] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1789] But you would have, like, the swamp thing or...

[1790] Sure.

[1791] Right of the 13th part 3 in 3D.

[1792] Jaws 3D.

[1793] Yeah.

[1794] It's only one scene.

[1795] The fucking shark comes at you.

[1796] You're like, no. It's almost like there's a little scene that says, put on your glasses now, like two hours into it.

[1797] One of my favorite movies here.

[1798] What is this?

[1799] Maximal Overdrive.

[1800] Oh, yeah, that's right.

[1801] But I want to tell you about it.

[1802] Crazy looks.

[1803] That was a weird thing about him is that he would show up in all of his movies.

[1804] His best role, though, is in that movie Creep Show.

[1805] Oh, yeah.

[1806] Where he touches the asteroid and he grows green.

[1807] He was great in Creep Show.

[1808] And I finally decided if you want something done right.

[1809] Creep Show was great, period.

[1810] Those kind of silly, serial type.

[1811] Yeah, Leslie Nielsen, Ted Danson.

[1812] Yeah, that's right.

[1813] Ed Harris.

[1814] is in that.

[1815] Oh, those were great.

[1816] Christine was great, too.

[1817] No, not so great.

[1818] Silver Bullet.

[1819] Not so fucking great.

[1820] Christine was great.

[1821] That was a great movie.

[1822] It was one of my favorites.

[1823] That's one of the best adaptations because it's the most believable in the sense that there's nothing that you're looking at that requires suspension of disbelief.

[1824] There's no monsters.

[1825] It's just a car that's haunted.

[1826] Yeah.

[1827] That's a great one.

[1828] That's one that stands up too.

[1829] And it also, like, it kind of like, it works with the story.

[1830] like the book itself.

[1831] What about the psycho film or the sequels?

[1832] I like the original one.

[1833] But again, for what it is at the time.

[1834] I feel like when you redo a movie like that, it's never going to work.

[1835] It's never going to get past like a seven or an eight with me. It's never going to be a 10 because you're redoing a movie.

[1836] I know what you did originally.

[1837] I know what it was.

[1838] You're just kind of copying it.

[1839] You know, part of what's great about going to see Psycho the first time is nobody knew what the fuck was going on.

[1840] It was a huge gimmick.

[1841] Yeah.

[1842] Nobody knew what was going on.

[1843] And I think that's important with a lot of movies.

[1844] Alien One, same thing.

[1845] Nobody knew what the fuck was going on.

[1846] All of a sudden, there's this thing.

[1847] When you take that away, when you redo a movie, how hard, you know, how high can't go up a lot?

[1848] A good old one is The Invasion of the Body Snatchers, the 78 one with Donald Sutherland.

[1849] That's a creepy movie.

[1850] I watched that the other day.

[1851] Yeah.

[1852] That holds up.

[1853] That holds up.

[1854] And it's another time capsule.

[1855] Yeah.

[1856] Like the way they're talking and watching things on TV, it seems real.

[1857] Yeah, that was great.

[1858] That was the days, man. The 70s, 70s in San Francisco, I think it was.

[1859] I bought that movie.

[1860] That made sense.

[1861] But the new one, when they did another one after that with Meg Tilly, I think it was.

[1862] Wasn't it?

[1863] Jennifer Tilly or Meg Tilly?

[1864] One of those.

[1865] Think Meg, the one that you don't see anymore.

[1866] She did a version.

[1867] of the invasion of the body snatchers.

[1868] In the 80s, 90s?

[1869] I don't know.

[1870] Let's see.

[1871] Meg Tilly invasion of the body snatchers.

[1872] I don't think it was.

[1873] I feel like it was in the 90s.

[1874] How about what is that movie?

[1875] Ben with Mickey Rooney?

[1876] Mickey Rooney.

[1877] 1993.

[1878] 19993, Meg Tilly.

[1879] Got a 5 .8 on IMDB.

[1880] Can't trust IMDB, those dirty bastards.

[1881] Yeah, a little shop of horrors.

[1882] They're trying to get people to watch a movie that sucks.

[1883] I see what they're doing.

[1884] And the other ones?

[1885] What about the Q?

[1886] Did you like the cube?

[1887] Hellraiser?

[1888] Hellraiser, the first one.

[1889] The first one.

[1890] Yeah.

[1891] And that has great makeup effects in it too.

[1892] It's effective.

[1893] The first one's pretty badass.

[1894] What about the Fun House?

[1895] What's that?

[1896] Toby Hoover directed that.

[1897] That came out in early 80s.

[1898] Toby Hoover?

[1899] Hooper.

[1900] Hooper?

[1901] Who's that?

[1902] He directed the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

[1903] Oh, he did.

[1904] Oh, okay, that's right.

[1905] The Fun House.

[1906] Or here's one that's kind of overlooked.

[1907] I liked it as a kid, Poltergeist.

[1908] Oh, it was a great movie.

[1909] yeah that's okay there there i take back what i said because i do like ghost movies i like that one that was a great one that was uh probably the best ghost movie and the best devil movie the exorcist the best crazy guy movie the shining what about misery i love that i love the book the book was great and kathy bates is such a badass she killed it yeah she just sold it so well You know, top 10 horror movies of all time.

[1910] What's the top 10 movies of all time for you?

[1911] For me?

[1912] For me, American World from London, I think we both agree on that.

[1913] But like, when you get past that, what's some other?

[1914] How about let the right one in?

[1915] Did you like that?

[1916] I haven't seen it.

[1917] You haven't seen that?

[1918] No. God damn, dude.

[1919] They did an American version of that too, which is actually pretty fucking good.

[1920] What was the American version of the Let the Right One in?

[1921] there's an there's an American version it's a Swedish movie it's really good man it's a young girl who's a vampire god damn it trying to think of the name it's driving me crazy but I saw it it took a little bit away from it because I knew what was coming but I still thought it was pretty badass let me in that's it but let the right one in was fantastic just enough there's a little bit more there's some CGI in the American version that fucked it up a little bit it's to be Is Halloween in the top 10?

[1922] It's not Should be right That was a great one Rosemary's baby Oh what about Amityville horror I like that at the time Yeah Now I'm sure I'd hate it It's the music alone In that movie is what really got me The music?

[1923] Yeah Well it was a scary idea too And similar to the Shining That something could possess a person and it was actually a good person and make them completely nuts.

[1924] Yeah.

[1925] Well, then it's based on the true story, too.

[1926] Sure it is.

[1927] Friday 13th.

[1928] Really?

[1929] That's on the top 10?

[1930] Yeah.

[1931] They have it.

[1932] No, it's top 25.

[1933] Of all the Friday 13th, the second one is actually a little creepy.

[1934] The second one.

[1935] Yeah, there's, whenever they get into those chain, why is that?

[1936] They do a chain.

[1937] If they do a series of them, they just never just become cartoons, ultimately.

[1938] Yeah.

[1939] There's something.

[1940] about we you know people get greedy and they fuck it up a really good classic old one is rosemary's baby that is a good one that is a classic and that's again a movie that just builds slowly for that that big ending here's one that people forget about the fly yeah absolutely that's probably one of my top 10 favorite movies yeah and that's a good one special effects wise as well because there's a big transformation there and it's a slow one yeah it takes some time and it just starts getting weirder and weirder and weirder.

[1941] Great cast for that character.

[1942] Yeah, and that's Jeff Goldblum in his fucking prime.

[1943] You know, that was a, he knocked it out of the park.

[1944] Well, that's directed by David Cronenberg and he's got, we haven't really he's got videodrome.

[1945] He did a old one though called the brood, which is just before videodrome and that's kind of creepy and it's got these creepy little kids in it.

[1946] Wow.

[1947] That's a little abstract.

[1948] I remember that.

[1949] The breed.

[1950] I remember that.

[1951] And then he did the Dead Zone with Christopher Walken.

[1952] Did you see the trailer for the new Godzilla film?

[1953] No. They took it offline for some strange reason.

[1954] I don't know why they would do that.

[1955] They played it at Comic Con and then they took it off line.

[1956] Like, Godzilla.

[1957] People got a hold of it and put it up on the internet, but everywhere they did, you know, someone, whoever has been trying to take it off line, left and right.

[1958] How disappointed were you with Prometheus?

[1959] Prometheus was sad.

[1960] It was unfortunate because it seemed like it could have been really good.

[1961] It seems like it just, and then again, the cartoon -y special effects thing, the guy was just like, he was so unbelievable.

[1962] I knew he wasn't really there.

[1963] He didn't seem like a real guy, you know?

[1964] That uncanny valley had not been bridged.

[1965] It still was just like, I'm not believing.

[1966] Even though it was supposedly a different creature, it wasn't a human, it was human enough where I wasn't willing to buy it.

[1967] And it's crazy because, you know, that's the same director as the original alien.

[1968] So you've got all this time and technology and, you know, I don't know, you know, to answer that question of what's happening with films and why don't they have that.

[1969] Yeah.

[1970] Yeah, it seems like people need to listen to you, dude.

[1971] You need to just be the president of Hollywood.

[1972] Let's get it together.

[1973] Come on, Pat McGee.

[1974] Just got out there and start running shit.

[1975] Can you do that, please?

[1976] Let's think it all through.

[1977] Take a little time in the beginning.

[1978] There's got to be something.

[1979] good that's cooking right now that you're excited about is there anything there's nothing nothing and from what i know from all different effects shops and what's what i've heard there's not anything really going really yeah that's pathetic and you know the one thing too about my field is now it's a world worldwide thing so you got really talented people in all different countries doing this kind of stuff too and as they shoot in all these different countries but i don't hear of anything that's really like oh they're doing that Wow.

[1980] That's sad.

[1981] That really bums me out, man. Yeah.

[1982] It's a genre that's dying.

[1983] Well, yeah.

[1984] That's why they're remaking everything.

[1985] And it's saying a lot when the remakes aren't holding up to the originals, you know.

[1986] Whereas, you know, when we were remaking stuff that was made in the 30s, 40s, and 50s, I guess some of the remakes could hold their own.

[1987] Like Dracula.

[1988] Or the fly.

[1989] Yes, the fly, which is also a remake.

[1990] Yeah.

[1991] Well, there was another remake after that, wasn't there?

[1992] Wasn't there an even more?

[1993] recent remake of the fly yeah was they just did a sequel oh it's just a sequel but was it still with goldblum that was confusing it was his son that's right that's right and he uh he evolved a different way the gary oldman dracula is my favorite of all the remakes for sure you know i don't think i don't think they've ever done a remake better than that one i agree but the uh like frankenstein never really did right king kong so same shit you know what about the lost boys A piece of shit.

[1994] Okay.

[1995] Did you like it?

[1996] It's okay.

[1997] I liked it when I was 12.

[1998] My sister liked it.

[1999] Yeah, of course.

[2000] So the girls liked that one.

[2001] Yep, goddamn it's the first version of Twilight before America became pussyfied.

[2002] It was Twilight back when vampires were really wicked, you know?

[2003] Now they don't even duke it out anymore.

[2004] They just fucking history.

[2005] Oh, here's one.

[2006] This was a little influential Fright Night.

[2007] Okay.

[2008] From the early 80s.

[2009] Okay, here's another one.

[2010] How about the new Fright Night?

[2011] Not fucking bad.

[2012] Well, what's his name?

[2013] What's his, sexy boy?

[2014] What's his name?

[2015] Colin Farrell It wasn't bad I enjoyed it Look I'm not I'm not saying what you want to hear God damn I'm saying what I believe Now we got an argument now I enjoyed it I can't argue with me Whether or not I enjoyed it I'm not saying it's the best movie ever I'm saying it wasn't nearly as bad As it could have been It wasn't bad It wasn't bad But it wasn't compared to the Original Fright Night I enjoyed it Can't take that away from me Chud How about Chud That's a monster movie Never saw it Chud Cannibalistic Humanoid Unile underground dwellers.

[2016] Yeah, I prefer dissent.

[2017] This is it.

[2018] Is this Friday night?

[2019] You don't have to play this, dude.

[2020] It wasn't that good.

[2021] Stop.

[2022] Shut that shit off.

[2023] What are you working on right now?

[2024] Can you tell us?

[2025] Besides the...

[2026] Well, I got this Bigfoot project in development.

[2027] Right.

[2028] I have Grinchmiss.

[2029] I am the makeup supervisor at Universal Studios, Hollywood, heading up the Grinchmiss crew, where we make up Grinches and all the Hoos for their Christmas event.

[2030] Oh, wow.

[2031] So you're going to, like, put makeup on people, turn them into Grinches?

[2032] Like, 100 people.

[2033] Oh, my God.

[2034] So I have a big makeup crew of 2530.

[2035] And it's all, like, plastic faces and rubber.

[2036] Foam rubber noses for the Hoos and the Grinches are full face prosthetics.

[2037] Holy shit, man. That starts, we're about four weeks away from starting that.

[2038] Wow.

[2039] Well, good luck on that other thing, that Bigfoot thing.

[2040] I really hope you pull that off.

[2041] Yeah, that's going to be on the back burner until I finish that, and then the New Year full blast on the Bigfoot project.

[2042] Now, if anybody wanted to contact you, what's the best way?

[2043] The way I got you is McGeefx .com, is that what it is?

[2044] Correct.

[2045] And if they want, they can order different things.

[2046] Like, you make that alien?

[2047] Yeah, I have some collectibles there that people that are obsessed with this stuff can come after me for.

[2048] So if anybody wants to get a wherewell?

[2049] in London.

[2050] It's McGee FX and how long does it take about it?

[2051] It depends on my schedule but usually eight weeks.

[2052] Eight weeks.

[2053] Ladies and gentlemen you're not going to live forever.

[2054] Just do it, bitch.

[2055] You know you want to.

[2056] Well, thanks for coming on and talk with us and if you ever have anything that you're going to promote, like if you ever want to make that and you want to come on and promote it.

[2057] We'd be happy to talk about it.

[2058] Absolutely.

[2059] Thanks, man. It's a lot of fun.

[2060] Thank you.

[2061] A lot of fun.

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[2066] I'll be back tomorrow with the one and only Mr. Sam Harris.

[2067] We're going to sit down for some mental kung fu and have a good time and discuss all kinds of things that you guys have suggested.

[2068] And that's it.

[2069] We've got more of those Joe Rogan questions, Is Everything, podcast to come.

[2070] Probably got like six more or so.

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[2073] Big kiss.