#981 - Josh Barnett

[0] As soon as we go live, five seconds.

[1] Now, Josh was just telling me about how he's going to start his own cult.

[2] Yes.

[3] For sure, absolutely.

[4] You know, everything else just seems like fucking work to me. Yeah, starting your own cult, if you can pull it off.

[5] The key is to not take it too far.

[6] Don't get too crazy, you know.

[7] I don't know if I have that ability, though, man. I'm sitting here wearing, you know, black metal t -shirts and, you know, listening to crazy -ass music.

[8] I think taking it too far is kind of in my nature.

[9] You're still driving the muscle car?

[10] Oh, yeah.

[11] Every day, man, all about muscle cars.

[12] muscle car plus in this traffic still drives a manual yeah that's gangsta six speed that's your method of your number one method of transportation if you're driving a man respect you drive a manual transmission in fucking orange county you're still in orange county no no no no I've been out of orange county for a while I was in downtown for a while and then uh I live in Hollywood like a vampire kind of also getting a lot of extra sparring in you know with hobos and knives and stuff like that oh were you in like the bad area of downtown is there well you know what here's the thing about the bad area of downtown it doesn't stay in the bad area of downtown that's so true you know it's uh it's like oh this is a really nice oh we got our quaint little lofts and la di da it's like by the way you see that schizophrenic crackhead he's gonna fuck your shit up you know it's like hancock park you know where hancock park is hancock park is fucking amazing it's like one of the most beautiful sections of that's gorgeous but you can go two blocks down You got gang graffiti.

[13] Yeah.

[14] Like two blocks down.

[15] You're in some sketchy area.

[16] Like as soon as you get out and you start going east further, like you get some fucking sketchy neighborhoods with a mile of these like 1920s mansions of old Hollywood money.

[17] I mean, those things are incredible.

[18] Right.

[19] And to me, it's just like, wow, it's the most fantastic tourist guide ever.

[20] Like, hey, come to L .A. You might get fucked or you might not.

[21] Please roll the dice.

[22] Let's see how this works out.

[23] Yeah, if you're going to walk through downtown L .A., you could take a wrong turn and be in a walking dead episode.

[24] You could be just strolling down seventh.

[25] Everything's looking great.

[26] You're passing, you know, seven grand and Molo and all this stuff.

[27] And then all of a sudden, oh, shit, where the hell am I?

[28] That guy's got a tent, but I don't really think he's camping.

[29] Yeah, people who think that their downtown is fucked up, you don't even know what fucked up is.

[30] You need to see Skid Row.

[31] Like, people who don't see, I've shown people Skid Row, and they go, that's not real.

[32] I go, no, that's real.

[33] It looks fake as fuck.

[34] It looks like an episode of The Walking Dead.

[35] And the first time I drove through it and there was like some, and I'm seeing all these just people just just milling about.

[36] And it must have been later in the night, like not super late, but getting to probably six or seven or it's because at some point there, there's this mission or something down there and it's got this gated courtyard.

[37] And at some point, they closed that gate.

[38] And there was just people inside the courtyard and there were people outside of the thing and it was just insanity i go fuck man this is straight out of like some sort of dawn of the dead so is the gate like you if you get in by a certain amount of time you're locked in for the night yeah i guess whatever shit so like some people like they're got to get away from the crazy people on the street i guess or they'll probably get someplace to sleep and eat and what have you know and you know tell each other solms isn't it weird that we look at people like down we'll go yeah you're a loser like all you people are not going to help you well and see it's easy to do that because to look at the situation on a far more complex level, you know, looking for what all the issues that can write into this.

[39] I mean, a majority of these people are probably mental health, you know, issues.

[40] Patients, sure.

[41] So they're crazy to simplify it.

[42] And then they get into these, you know, let's say drugs come to play or other things.

[43] I mean, they just, they need help, right?

[44] Yeah.

[45] And there are some people there that maybe they are just total fucking down and outers that they just gave up on life in one way or another got hooked on something or hooked on something else.

[46] But I mean, at the end of the day, it's much easier for people to just look at it as like, these guys are losers.

[47] There's losers of the system.

[48] And I'm some sort of a winner.

[49] But I mean, they, in a way, some of these people were born losers then, I guess, because they didn't get to choose to be born with schizophrenia or any of these other sort of things.

[50] Yeah.

[51] abusive childhoods.

[52] There's a whole host of factors.

[53] that plays into someone being like that, but it's weird how we get to, someone gets to a certain age, like you're 35, you're a homeless, sorry dude, can't help you.

[54] If you're like 10, if you're 10 on the street and you're homeless, we're like, oh, come on, buddy, like, I'm going to help this little guy.

[55] A little scam.

[56] Yeah, he's just, his parents left him and he didn't have any food.

[57] He's got a really cute newsboy cap.

[58] It just seems so scrappy.

[59] You know, I think I'd like to make him my sidekick, and we're going to travel around the world.

[60] He travels with him everywhere.

[61] He's got a bag on the end of a stick.

[62] Yeah, yeah.

[63] Look at that bindle, man. He's been places.

[64] That was the move that they had.

[65] Here's, this is, we're looking at video right now on YouTube.

[66] What's the name of this video?

[67] I just pulled up like Skid Row.

[68] It says homeless on Skid Row in Los Angeles, all in caps, and it's fucking crazy.

[69] It's a whole series of homemade tents that these people put together.

[70] They've created these like little apartments, little structures, and they're on the street.

[71] And there's, I mean, this is a pretty good video of it just shows you how weird it is.

[72] But it's way crazier at night.

[73] Well, it's even, this just shows you, we're just looking down one street.

[74] Yeah, and we're only looking at like a few structures.

[75] It's like a little square radius of streets that encapsulate this, this area.

[76] And, you know, I mean, some people are like, well, oh, yeah, it's not really that dangerous.

[77] I'm like, well, I guess it really depends on the person.

[78] Personally, I wouldn't stroll around down there.

[79] I feel like I'll be all right, but why increase my likelihood of having some sort of issue, especially if somebody is literally crazy.

[80] it's really not a matter of whether they're a jerk or whatever.

[81] It's just they're operating in an unstable, irrational way.

[82] So there's no way to negotiate that very well.

[83] No way to negotiate it, no way to even know if it's going to happen.

[84] Right.

[85] And when someone's completely bonkers, is this some guy doing it on his bike?

[86] Yeah, he's on the bike through it.

[87] Whoa, that dude's got skills.

[88] He's got some bike skills.

[89] But he's got pegs on the front of his bike.

[90] There he does, see?

[91] What is a peg?

[92] Oh, the bunny pegs in the front.

[93] So maybe he could pick up.

[94] a guy, I grab one homeless dude, put him on the front, and then they could go, like, with a steering wheel?

[95] That's, is that not impressive?

[96] That handlebar thing he just did?

[97] That shit's incredible.

[98] Bart, yeah.

[99] It's just, it's not incredible?

[100] No, I was to say, I can't do it, but.

[101] But is that, like, a standard move, Josh Barnett?

[102] Do you know how to ride a bike?

[103] You know, I do know how to ride a bicycle?

[104] Probably not to the level of this guy.

[105] Like that.

[106] He keeps doing that.

[107] Flipping the bar around?

[108] That's fucking, that's pretty wild.

[109] It's like having a fidget spinner.

[110] Except if you fuck it up, you're falling.

[111] down you're just eating shit and losing teeth yeah i don't ride bikes much like that damn that shit's incredible he's using it to camera edit too it's actually sure is wow wee oh that's pretty slick yeah it's a it's an interesting dynamic and then it's not a simple situation to solve either right you know it's like some people would easily just look at like oh just get rid of them it's like well you can't just do that with somebody i mean that's not the way to do it is there a way to reprogram someone I forget who the quote was by, some famous dude, Frederick Douglass, but he said it's much easier to raise good children than the repair broken men.

[112] I can believe that.

[113] You know, we have, it's always harder to take a fighter with a bunch of bad habits and try to cure them of that or reestablish new good habits than it is to just start off teaching them something correct from the fucking get -go.

[114] Yeah, you always see that for whatever reason with kicking technique.

[115] kicking technique like a lot of guys that come from like bad backgrounds have a really hard time like maybe karate to moitai real hard time transitioning over and like i would see it even in taekwondo guys who came from a karate background didn't understand the importance of raising the knee up above the hip it's like when things got weird they couldn't pick their knee up for certain kicks and it also i guess it would depend a lot on the style of karate so like one of my guys showa yamamoto is a, he's a junior world champion in Kyokshin.

[116] He was the youngest ever to compete in the world open weight tournament at 18 years old.

[117] Wow.

[118] And he was like 190 pounds when he did it, 180 and 18 years old.

[119] Just fighting.

[120] Holy shit.

[121] You know, like your Glover Tesheras and guys like that.

[122] Yeah, Kyokishin's crazy too when you watch those guys punch full blast of the body, but kick to the head, like not punching to the face.

[123] I don't know where that really came about necessarily, but yeah, yeah, you can kick them full on in the face, knee him in the face.

[124] Crazy.

[125] Things like that, but don't throw a punch to the face.

[126] You know what it's like?

[127] His kicks are pretty awesome.

[128] It's like the next level of Taekwondo.

[129] It's like Taekwondo, they said you couldn't punch to the face, but you could kick above the waist.

[130] And Keogshan is like, how about we kick the legs too?

[131] And elbow.

[132] And they're like, okay, okay.

[133] So it's better.

[134] Plus, it doesn't get stopped as much.

[135] Even though Taekwondo is supposed to be continuous, like Olympic style.

[136] Guys clinch.

[137] Yeah, they clinch or a point gets scored and the ref will kind of, you know, there's always these little breaks it seemed to happen.

[138] Yeah.

[139] You know.

[140] Yeah, it's interesting because I always feel like for little kids especially, what's really good about Taekwondo is the same thing that's really good about gymnastics and even like cheerleading.

[141] Body control and flexibility and yeah, there's all kinds of break dancers.

[142] Right.

[143] I think Taekwondo can be really great for that as well.

[144] Yeah.

[145] I think a lot of, if you're going to do Taekwondo or really any of a lot of these traditional martial arts, it really depends on that teacher.

[146] That makes it or breaks it.

[147] I mean, you could have like some old Takeyong, like, gnarly old Korean dude who is going to teach you how to punch the face and throw people and all kinds of stuff, but maybe gear your competition training towards the rule set that's allowable.

[148] Or you could just have some dude that just wants you to flip around and scream to get your points, which is the most ridiculous.

[149] It's almost up there with like flopping and soccer.

[150] Dude, flopping and soccer's hit some new levels lately.

[151] People, they know that I think it's hilarious so some dude sent me one and the guy doesn't even get hit.

[152] The other guy, like, throws his hand back, It doesn't even come near him.

[153] And the guy launches himself through the air, writhing on the ground.

[154] I mean, it's just like, I've never seen anything like it.

[155] What is it that, how does one graduate to that position?

[156] You know, here I'm out here.

[157] I'm playing a sport at, let's say, the highest level, and I'm competing against other incredible athletes, and we train our asses off, and we develop all these skill sets, and we get so good at handling a ball with our feet, and not even for foot fetish.

[158] stuff, but just to play this game, and I'm going to now concede in such, like, completely destroy all the toughness, all the grit, all the work, all the, all the things that I've developed mentally to, to be able to run and kick and do all this stuff and build up all these wind sprints, and then I'm just going to see a guy swat his hand at me, and then I'm going to fling myself on the ground and scream bloody murder.

[159] They flap like fish.

[160] I don't get it.

[161] They flop around the ground and twist and rot, and rot, and then I'm going to fling.

[162] than agony there has there's like a mental disconnect that has to happen like you must just like I'm gonna bitch myself out right now I'm gonna completely just destroy every element of toughness within me I think they're just willing to do anything to get some sort of an advantage and I don't know what I don't understand soccer I don't know the rules so I don't know what kind of an advantage you would get if penalty shots penalty shot yeah so you would get like pretty close to the goal yeah they get to they get to take a shot on goal or something that's pretty sweet it is that's worth too much Persson, I just couldn't do it.

[163] Couldn't do it.

[164] I think it's worth too much.

[165] I think what you've got to do is if somebody does foul you, if somebody, like, actually fouls you, that guy just gets removed and they bring in a new player.

[166] Like, it seems pretty simple.

[167] Well, yeah, yeah, reduce the element there in terms of what the reward is and the risk.

[168] Yeah.

[169] Or you see people flopping, like penalize them.

[170] Right, 100%.

[171] Yeah, that guy's for a year.

[172] Yeah, you're slowing the game down and you're making us look like shit, so stop.

[173] You're people are talking about you on podcast, bro.

[174] It's not good.

[175] People who don't watch soccer.

[176] They have no idea what happened in that game.

[177] That game might be for the championship of the world between the two greatest teams of all time.

[178] I don't know about that.

[179] I just know that dude flopping around.

[180] What are you laughing at Jamie?

[181] A referee flopped on this video?

[182] A referee flop?

[183] Get the fuck out of here.

[184] Do they call it flopping or are we making that up?

[185] No, it's called flopping.

[186] They call it flopping?

[187] In soccer, they actually call it taking a dive.

[188] Oh.

[189] Taking a dive.

[190] Interesting.

[191] All right, all right.

[192] Oh.

[193] Oh, no. way oh my god that is hilarious are you kidding the oh my god watch this one that is hilarious oh i'm so hurt oh god and the guy's standing right there that's the thing you know the ref has to just which needed he grabbed did he grab he grabbed his right foot oh now now they flop out of the huddle did he land on his right did he land on his right knee it's so okay that guy might have blown his knee out.

[194] Hold on.

[195] Go back to the ref because the ref might have blown his knee out.

[196] Because I'm looking at the way he falls.

[197] Like watch the, not this guy.

[198] The next guy.

[199] That guy.

[200] I'll wait for it to play.

[201] Here, watch this.

[202] No. He's standing around, then he just, he leaps onto the ground.

[203] One more time.

[204] Oh, and he starts grabbing his shin.

[205] No, I think he's grabbing his knee.

[206] He might be a bullshit artist.

[207] He's fucking bullshit.

[208] I mean, look at these guys.

[209] This guy flops out of a huddle.

[210] That's ridiculous.

[211] It's almost as if these guys are so attuned to any touch that once they feel it they immediately just they dive they fall down they cry that was just the guy tripping if it's in that box that's where you get the penalty shot and that can literally change the whole game because just need one goal also people just fall down when they get in there he just fell on his own right next to him oh so they just try to fall down and get hurt oh that's hilarious so what's that the guy just stopped and the other guy used him as like a tripping mechanism because if you can get the right card you can can get a guy taken out of the game and then you're at a huge advantage for the rest of the game.

[212] Like if you could manipulate a ref in the, in an MMA fight, which you kind of can, I suppose, but like you can't get the other guy just dequeued all the time.

[213] There's definitely rules for that.

[214] And here you just got to trick a guy.

[215] Did you see that?

[216] It's like, there's like an understood of like, yeah, we're fucking with the game right now.

[217] We're pretending to be hurt all the time.

[218] This is hilarious.

[219] What is the name of this video, Jamie?

[220] This is just like best flops or funny dives of 2017.

[221] 2017 funny dives and simulation that's just this year oh that's hilarious well see some of them they're exaggerating this is not the best edit because some of these guys are just getting tripped I mean they're just falling like that guy's just falling like this is a stupid edit these are also the best athletes of all time like they shouldn't be just falling oh okay I see what you're saying there yeah but people fall you know I mean the other ones there's so many of these that are like that that shit is so ridiculous.

[222] Look, oh my God, I can't take it.

[223] I mean, that shit is so funny.

[224] It's like there's a culture of falling and pretending you're hurt.

[225] There's a little, they could be, I mean, I don't know if they really are, because it probably takes away from their stature as an athlete, but getting in these videos where you're just getting shown all over the internet again and honestly, a couple of these were guys doing goofy stuff and then laughing about it as like, ha ha ha ha, ha, like this is just what we do.

[226] We pretend to be hurt all the time.

[227] And so it's some sort of an accepted culture with, oh my God.

[228] The guy just falls down.

[229] It's accepted within the culture of playing the game as much as I can understand.

[230] Now that guy taking a dive made sense because he saw the other dude roll in.

[231] Oh, that's great.

[232] These guys just touched faces and then fell to the ground like they got hit with meteors.

[233] Like there's snipers out there just in the audience, just picking them off.

[234] It's so crazy.

[235] They just fall down like in agony.

[236] Oh, look at this guy.

[237] It's like, look at this guy just falling down.

[238] What are you doing?

[239] You're doing that thing.

[240] Stop doing that.

[241] God, it's, they have to revamp their rules.

[242] Yeah, clearly.

[243] They started fining people that were doing it, but I think they sort of cut back on the fines.

[244] They tried to make it monetarily not a good thing to do.

[245] I know Ian Edwards loves soccer, and I love Ian, and he's trying to get me to do a soccer companion.

[246] But I feel like about soccer, what I do about, like, speaking Latin.

[247] Like, it's just some shit that's just left over from a long -ass time ago.

[248] It's probably good if we still remember how to do it.

[249] So we don't want to not know what Latin is and, like, what the word.

[250] We don't want to get so confused that we think this is like some forgotten language.

[251] Especially since it's within all of our scientific texts and all that.

[252] That shit's nonsense, right?

[253] Latin, yeah, that's nonsense.

[254] I would rather learn Latin than learn how to flop, how to fake injuries.

[255] I just, I don't know about that.

[256] But you respect an actual skillful soccer.

[257] player.

[258] Those guys are awesome athletes.

[259] That's actually what makes it so disappointing is that I know how good those dudes are.

[260] I know that they must be super talented and great, very skillful and in great shape to then take to get yourself to that level, let's say elite level at your sport, at your skill set.

[261] Do you ever see Aldo?

[262] Who?

[263] Jose.

[264] Jose Aldo?

[265] Play soccer?

[266] Oh, I'm not surprised.

[267] Amazing.

[268] Yeah, I bet.

[269] Like professional level.

[270] Do you think he would flop?

[271] Nope.

[272] I cannot see that happening.

[273] I don't think so.

[274] That's probably what held him back.

[275] He's too busy throwing low kicks instead of kicking the ball.

[276] He's just chopping people's legs out from under him.

[277] Yeah, there's some video of him playing and moving around, and he's fucking really good.

[278] Where is Aldo?

[279] That was him doing the ball flip.

[280] Oh, yeah.

[281] Yeah, watch this.

[282] Look at that.

[283] That's one of the best players in the world.

[284] He did it against Namar.

[285] Now, do you think they're just playing and having a good time here?

[286] Yeah, it's a charity match.

[287] Right.

[288] But still, look at this.

[289] I don't think he's just like, okay.

[290] The other guy's like, look, I ain't running for real, dude.

[291] I have actual games to play.

[292] I'm not blowing out my ACL, like, trying not to get punked by an MMA fighter.

[293] Right.

[294] Exactly.

[295] It's like, okay, you can have this moment.

[296] But I've seen videos of him practicing and playing.

[297] He's like a real professional soccer player.

[298] You're looking at him.

[299] You're like, wow.

[300] Yeah, that didn't surprise me in the least.

[301] Oh, is that Jose?

[302] Yeah, he's kicking three -pointers in, or he's trying, at least.

[303] Hey.

[304] Fuck, that would never happen for me. Never.

[305] I played, like, little intermural soccer in college for a second, just like these pickup games with all the international kids.

[306] I just thought it would be a good way to get in shape.

[307] I didn't know really much about playing soccer, so.

[308] Aren't you too big?

[309] I don't know if there's really a too big.

[310] For moving around that much?

[311] There's also that not good enough.

[312] There's that part, too, when these dudes from, like, Scotland and Argentina and all over who would play, like, all their, like, AAA leagues and stuff.

[313] I'm out there playing defense, and I could hustle, and I had quick feet, and I wasn't movable, so that was kind of good.

[314] But, you know, at one point, my team kept trying to get it, get an opportunity for me to score on goal, and I'm like, no, no, quit, you know, it got good enough to dribble and pass it away a little bit.

[315] Don't fucking ask me to kick this thing.

[316] It's never going to go where I want it to.

[317] And, you know, it's just careening off everywhere.

[318] Plus, this dude from Argentina was just all over me every single time.

[319] I'm like, everyone else is like, oh, it'd be funny if he could be great if he could get a shot.

[320] And this guy's like, fuck that.

[321] I'm going to fucking, I'm on.

[322] I'm like, stink on shit.

[323] Am I wrong in thinking that there's like a build that would excel at football, which is like your build?

[324] Yeah, I could think so.

[325] And then I would think that soccer would require because you run so much.

[326] I would think tall and lanky would be good for soccer or even maybe just a long leg, short torso.

[327] Yeah, but that messy guy is like really small, right?

[328] He's just like super fast footwork.

[329] Just being very quick.

[330] Yeah.

[331] Just being very quick and very agile and being able, but I was just thinking tall because then you could more headers, more body up top.

[332] Let me ask you this as a proponent of violence.

[333] Why, how come rugby never took off here?

[334] That seems to me to be the real sport.

[335] You know, I don't really know why.

[336] I think because American football is American football, maybe maybe that's why.

[337] it seems kind of stupid in a way because you have a helmet on and pads and you're running into each other and we already know that that's not a good idea it isn't it actually makes it uh way worse right unless they've figured out some new technology which i know they're working on some impact resistant helmets and things that which that kind of changes everything if they do that and they get it to the point where guys can collide heads and actually be okay i don't know i don't really think i just they're they can get these these helmets they're going to take the impact and reduce it and all of that.

[338] But I just, once you're a 300 pound dude running a 4 -7, smashing into another 300 -pound dude, I just don't, you know, it's just like, I would get in the arguments with the like these kids at the University of Montana rugby team, like, hey, you should come out play rugby, you should play rugby, I'm like, no, I want to fight, and, you know, rugby seems fun and all that, but oh, what's, did you play football?

[339] Yeah, I played football.

[340] Oh, this is way tougher.

[341] I go, uh, hold on.

[342] The pool you're drawing from, I'm sure there's some good athletes.

[343] The pool we were drawn from, when I'm going to University of Washington football camp and when I'm playing against nationally ranked teams like O'Day, this is different.

[344] Who they're drawn from is a much, much bigger pool.

[345] The stakes for them are much, much bigger than you and your college team floating around and then drinking beers after your games.

[346] This is not like that.

[347] This is a different story.

[348] Yeah, especially someone that has a potential NFL career and they're like super focused.

[349] you know, if you look at the some of the super athletes that you get that enter the NFL today, just the sheer size and speed that these guys have.

[350] And it's only so much that can be genetics.

[351] You've got like some serious training involved and dedication.

[352] Yes.

[353] Like they know how much money's involved.

[354] Exactly.

[355] And there are people that are grooming these athletes from a super young age to meet these requirements.

[356] And so I was like, look, rugby is super awesome.

[357] It's tough.

[358] It's a great sport.

[359] I like rugby league way better than rugby union Because union's got all the scrumming and all that It slows down League is seven tackles, I believe That's all you get?

[360] Yeah, it's all you get But you're constantly moving up the field What if you go more than seven?

[361] You don't wait Once you hit seven you have to drop the ball And then it changes over But it moves super fast And it's very aggressive And it's just you know It's like watching people play Wishbone The whole time They're just constantly taking each other down Yeah.

[362] And so, you know, they're hitting.

[363] Boom, this tackle happens, and they're going to try and shuttle the ball back to their other teammate, then shove the ball down the line again and keep it moving until they can finally break through.

[364] Whereas watching the other one, to me, it slows down way too much.

[365] So I don't really enjoy it, which, you know, that's kind of the argument with American football is that it slows down.

[366] And to me, I'm like, American football is like watching two armies go at it.

[367] You set, you have your skirmish, you regroup, you skirmish again.

[368] You regroup, you skirmish again, and by the end of all these skirmishes, the war is either, is won or lost by this team.

[369] Yeah.

[370] Now, that's the way I look at it.

[371] But, well, you know, that was designed to sort of placate people from.

[372] Well, that's all games are designed to be a diminishing aspect of war.

[373] But American football in particular, we're actually literally, like, systematically designed.

[374] Like, we know the time that it happened.

[375] There's a whole radio lab podcast.

[376] Oh, okay.

[377] It's pretty fascinating, man. And about how they ran into problems when they let American Indians play with white kids.

[378] Oh, yeah?

[379] The natives are just fucking all the white kids up That's some brutal ass games The natives did That's some gnarly shit Did they eat their hearts?

[380] Is that kind of part of the problem?

[381] I don't know what the problem was But it was an issue I dig it It was an issue I would have loved You know, I had Steve Rinella on recently And he was talking about The guys who Killed Custer and Little Bighorn And one of these guys Was this massive guy What is the name?

[382] Mall is that they called them?

[383] Gahl on to do those wild bill he was a conan book right it was a conan book right that's cull the conqueror you're thinking of right but this guy was apparently just massive and I mean I would have loved to like seen that with my own eyes like what it looks like to be like a direct lineage of warrior culture like if that guy was living in the 1800s like he is directly from the original Native Americans that came here from Siberia, you know, whatever, thousands and thousands of years ago.

[384] That would be something.

[385] Fuck, yeah.

[386] Chief Seattle, which my fucking phone don't work.

[387] Fuck it.

[388] He had some quote about being at a football game at the University of Washington.

[389] He was, and I can't, for the life of me, remember exactly how it goes.

[390] But it was just like, oh, a lot of white men fight each other today.

[391] I don't know why the hell you guys are into this, but whatever.

[392] Yeah, they didn't really have like that kind of a game.

[393] There's something uniquely brutal.

[394] about American football.

[395] There is.

[396] But when I look at rugby, I'm like, okay, that to me seems more realistic.

[397] It is more realistic, I think, in some ways.

[398] It's even, it's more brutal in some and less than others.

[399] Sort of like MMA versus maybe kickboxing.

[400] Yeah, well, and the thing is, one of my arguments with the rugby kids is like, dude, you don't get hit as hard as you do in American football as you're doing here in rugby.

[401] You just, you're not.

[402] Right.

[403] Plus, the athletes are smaller and, you know, go do a kickoff, guys.

[404] They talk about fucking insane.

[405] But what do you think would happen if, like, what if, by some crazy reason, people decided, hey, look, we're going to no longer do American football.

[406] We're going to do rugby.

[407] I just hope it's rugby league.

[408] It just hope it's rugby league.

[409] I don't totally understand the difference between the two of them.

[410] I would have to watch a few games, I guess.

[411] But those guys who dominate football, wouldn't you think they would be the guys who dominate rugby?

[412] Yeah, I do.

[413] everybody would just get bigger and faster and stronger.

[414] Yep.

[415] It would be just like American -level football players.

[416] Pretty much.

[417] Because if we're talking that everybody would switch over to rugby, that means all these rugby teams in the league and all that would then be the ones with all the big merchandise deals and the TV deals and all the money would funnel into it.

[418] And therefore, the potential prosperity of it would drive the interest for people to try and apply their wares it being not only a part of that hero myth that would come with being a champion football team player, you know, or rugby team player, but also with the hero myth of just being a part of that within, you know, your normal society, you're of this elite exceptional status, this thing that stands alone, that it seems a bit foreign to your normal person, but also the money and the success that comes from that kind of notoriety and the doors that it opens in terms of, you know, to use an overused word, the privilege of being at that level, within that inner circle of exceptional or seen as exceptional people anyways.

[419] Do you think what's the short, you know what's the show?

[420] You've had a long career in MMA, a long, successful career, but it's very rare.

[421] Yeah.

[422] And it's very rare for someone to be operating at the same level that you're operating at now.

[423] Seven years is like the cutoff.

[424] Like once you get to about seven, everything starts to just rapidly decline.

[425] just fall to shit.

[426] Do you think it's an injury thing?

[427] Is it a training thing?

[428] Is it just a life thing?

[429] They didn't.

[430] They didn't, or at least they weren't able to single out any particular factor in general.

[431] But, you know, there was a lot of theories as to why that might be, but they were able to track professional fighters' careers over length of time.

[432] I think they had some metric.

[433] Who did this study?

[434] I don't remember.

[435] But it's on the, it's on the internet.

[436] I do believe that they accounted They were able to account for a number of fights too And weigh that against that metric And see how that may influence things But seven years was this magic number Like six, seven years And once you start going over seven years Your percentage of success started just crumbling Like it was dramatic about how A guy would be like 13 and 3 And he'd get to seven years And all of a sudden it's like 13 to 6, 13 and 17 13, you just starts losing just about everything Hmm.

[437] Yeah.

[438] B .J. Penn's a good example of that, right?

[439] You know, like there's a certain drop off where the person just looks totally different.

[440] Well, and, you know, we could honestly look, it would be, we would have to isolate a lot of different factors to figure out any one particular thing, but there's so many elements that go into being a professional fighter and being successful at that.

[441] And so for, let's say, we'll take B .J. You know, maybe it is physicality.

[442] Maybe he's lost a little bit of a step.

[443] His reactions are a little slower.

[444] through any number of reasons why.

[445] Maybe his strength has diminished maybe slightly or his flexibility.

[446] Maybe certain physical elements, regardless of injury or not, have diminished enough that at where they used to be, it was an edge, where it is now is evened out or is below what is necessary for him and how he fights to be successful.

[447] Maybe it could be beyond physical deterioration.

[448] Maybe it's just mental motivation.

[449] Yeah, exactly.

[450] So maybe he's just not as motivated to push in the same ways that he was.

[451] Or maybe he's not able to, I don't know, recognize things that he was five years ago, six years ago and seeing those opportunities and being able to react on them quicker.

[452] There's a number of things.

[453] And especially when it comes to mental, now you're getting into such a subjective area that, you know, go pull that.

[454] apart.

[455] Yeah, that's a really good point.

[456] The mental aspect is a really good point, because who knows?

[457] You know, the only, only the person that's competing knows.

[458] I mean, you really never have any idea how, what's going on inside a person's head.

[459] I mean, for me, I decided to take a break after my Arlofsky fight, and that was somewhat physically based, but most of it was mental.

[460] I, uh, I just didn't, I had no interest to go into any kind of training camp to put myself through all that again, to then to fight again.

[461] You know, it's just, For one, when you start off fighting and what those goals are to, as you get further in and further in and further in and, you know, getting it 20 years of being a professional fighter, and being a top 10 heavyweight and arguably, and top five most of the time for shit, 16 of them, something like that.

[462] It's a high level competition.

[463] Yeah.

[464] And it's just.

[465] And youngest ever UFC heavyweight champion.

[466] That's right.

[467] I was, until that son of a bitch John Jones came and beat me out by a few months, that talented bastard.

[468] Now you're the youngest ever.

[469] Yeah, just heavyweight champion instead of the youngest ever UFC champion.

[470] But it's, it got to a point where it's just like, well, you know, my reasons for fighting are essentially still the same, but I don't have the same motivation to go out there and be like, oh, I'm going to conquer the whole world.

[471] I'm fighting.

[472] I can beat that guy.

[473] I know I could beat guys.

[474] Like, it doesn't, I don't, I'm not trying to prove it to myself anymore, you know, but that fire that wants to fight still exist.

[475] I'm just like, well, you know what?

[476] I'm going to take some time to work on some of the other stuff that is going to be more of my life after this because fighting is going to end sooner than this stuff is.

[477] How old are you now?

[478] 39.

[479] Now, when you think about, do you have like a number in your head, like when I hit 42 or no, no, no. No, no, I don't have anything set like that.

[480] I just figure that if I'm being honest with myself and self -aware, I'll know when that time has come, when that moment is getting to that edge where, if you keep going, it's going to fucking, it's going to go downhill.

[481] Versus, okay, you've got right to that point, call it fucking good, move on.

[482] And there's still athletic windows open to me with grappling and maybe a few other in professional wrestling.

[483] but fighting is going to be a much shorter window and the fact that I got 20 years out of it or however long that I take this to is going to be pretty phenomenal.

[484] Yeah, it's pretty incredible.

[485] Are you thinking about doing some more grappling?

[486] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[487] I mean, I've been approached by a few things but either dollar -wise just really hasn't made sense or mainly that's just it.

[488] And I feel like it's just one thing that people have to figure out is super popular and get it on tell or super exciting rather and get it on television somebody watches like your match with dean lister you know you're the first guy to tap out dean lister in how many years like 17 years something crazy and you caught him a scarf hold oh yeah head and arm boom old school judo style yeah it's fucking badass well and here's the thing i had seen that the last time he'd been subbed was that really yeah so i already knew that and i'm like well i'm gonna put this in my back pocket if i need it later on in the match and after i've been riding him and grinding on him and beating on him.

[489] Once he's huffing and puffing, I can get it.

[490] I know it's going to be real hard for him to stop this.

[491] And so sure enough, I look up and it's like, oh, shit, I don't have a lot of time left.

[492] Boom, hit it, go.

[493] And it worked.

[494] Yeah.

[495] And then Huron Gracie was a big feather in your cap, too, because Huron is, like, one of the most respected young Brazilian jihitsu black belt guys out there.

[496] Like, he's super respected.

[497] And defensively, like, really.

[498] He's very tough.

[499] defensively.

[500] You know, Galvalc didn't, couldn't tap him.

[501] He, all those guys, like Hiron, Halleck, Henner, they were all very successful when they were competitors.

[502] Yeah.

[503] And I know people want to, yeah, they were kicking butt.

[504] A fact, what was it, Henner tapped Jeff Munson back in the day.

[505] I think it was a triangle.

[506] So, uh, when Hiram was the only guy that Halleck could get to step up and wrestle me. That was, that was the option.

[507] There was all these heavyweights and all these dudes and I'm like, I found a bunch of guys that had recent, competed and won belts and stuff or one tournament.

[508] I'm like, hey, pick, what about that guy?

[509] And Alex, like, he won't do it.

[510] That guy won't do it.

[511] That guy won't do it.

[512] A whole bunch of them would be like, well, they won't do it without the ghee.

[513] And I'm like, okay, well, that's, you know that's not an option, so why even bring it up?

[514] So you couldn't get some really high -level Brazilian Jitsu World Champion guy who wanted to get in there with you?

[515] There have been, but, well, no, well, there are a few, like, Cyborg wanted to do it, you know, but then he got, he got injured.

[516] And so then it was like, well, how do we fill that gap?

[517] What kind of injury do you have?

[518] do you know rib i think i didn't really look into it too much for me it was just a matter of that match isn't happening right move on you know try to salvage this thing i would like to see that match though in the future i think that would be really interesting it could happen yeah it could happen i trained for it i felt real confident going into it i really wanted it too because everybody was like as soon as i beat dean well the first thing was oh what an idiot he's wearing shoes oh that's the dumbest thing he's going to get his leg tore off how he's so dumb and then I went, it's like, what a cheater.

[519] He wore shoes.

[520] It gave him such an advantage.

[521] He had so much grip.

[522] Oh, that's bullshit.

[523] Which is it?

[524] Oh, he was 270 and Dean was 185 pounds.

[525] Like, but what are you talking about?

[526] I was like 250 and Dean was like 230.

[527] The guy was a big massive.

[528] And people forget, he's pretty thick dude.

[529] And I remember giving him a hug at the quote unquote weigh -ins.

[530] I mean, we didn't weigh in.

[531] And I'm like, ooh, this dude is silverback status right now he's huge yeah he's a fucking massive guy he's strong and very talented too and so i'm like extremely technical right very and you know to to me i'm seeing all all the blue belts going nuts out there and i'm like um well he's a he was a heavyweight too so i didn't just go out there and outsize him you know i used my game on him and yeah i wrote him heavy you know which is a skill to develop but um you know you don't see dean make him excuses i mean we just went out there and gave it our best, and I was able to beat him that day.

[532] Well, Deem is one of the best leg lockers in the country.

[533] Yeah.

[534] I mean, really, it's, like, super knowledgeable when it comes to any aspect of Jiu -Situ, but in particular, leg locks.

[535] And he spent a bunch of time on the East Coast at Henzos Place, and Eddie Bravo said that's sort of where Hensos place became, like, this leglock mecca.

[536] You think about, like, Gary Tonin and Eddie Cummins and John Donaheher.

[537] Like, yeah, his, like, what teachings that he lent in over there sort of spread.

[538] And now they've since Donahir, who's a real wizard, since spread it into his own sort of ideas and philosophies on attacks.

[539] Well, that's the thing.

[540] You just never know what can come of any, even the smallest, the largest influence.

[541] Yeah.

[542] Allowing that, that seed can take place anywhere, but someone may tend that garden and all of a sudden, boom, you know, a big expansion from that idea can come from it.

[543] And that's, you know, one of the great things about it.

[544] Well, that's one of the things that people like about you is that.

[545] you're you most of the time you're going old school i mean you're doing catch wrestling stuff i mean you're doing like the shit that carl gotch and all those dudes from those uh old school wrestling catch wrestling books like a lot of those submissions you're proven those things to be 100 % legit yes and uh you know i understood i understand completely the some of the incredulousness about looking at that and being like that doesn't fucking work because you'd think well if it did it would be everywhere, but for one, it's just, there's just not enough people teaching it.

[546] So that's really diminishes the ability to expand it, although, like myself and, uh, all the people from the Japanese shoot wrestling side that, that has come from like Sakaraba and, uh, Maeda and Fujiwara.

[547] I mean, there's guys out there.

[548] Yeah.

[549] People explain that connection because it's really kind of fascinating that who went over there?

[550] Was it?

[551] It's Carl Gach.

[552] Carl Gach was brought over there by Antonio Onoki to create the New Japan Pro Wrestling Dojo and teach all of his student, all of the wrestlers, how to be catch wrestlers.

[553] And to give them a foundation and basically shooting, which is real fighting, so then they could go out there and work these matches, but keep the intensity, the realism, the, it's like the difference between, you know, I know you're not the biggest fan of professional wrestling.

[554] How dare you?

[555] How dare you?

[556] I dare.

[557] I dare.

[558] If I had a gauntlet I would throw it I'm sure there's a gauntlet in here somewhere Look at this fucking place Yeah But you know I also understand some of the gripe With looking at like The way wrestling has been for quite a while now It's like oh so it got outed right So everybody knows it's worked So people operate on this premise That it's fake so whatever Like why bother make it real anymore Let's just fake it up all the way And then people would open up skills And it would be like if if all magicians were just like, hey, look, all of our tricks, they're not real, they're not real magic, here's how you do them all, and now I'm going to open up schools and just teach everyone, you know, just pay me 500 bucks for three months, and now you too can be a magician, and it's just like, well, oh, man, that would ruin going to magic shows.

[559] It would just make it so shitty.

[560] But, you know, that's how a lot of these guys get into wrestling now that would never be wrestlers.

[561] Like to be a wrestler back, even in, say, the 70s, early 80s, you had to be a fucking tough guy like dusty road you look at him you're like that guy's not tough no actually he was recruited by the fucking Miami Dolphins and he was like I think I can make more money being a rest than I can't be in a football player back then you know or Rick Flair was like an all -American or college big -time college football player and he went and trained under verngagna and uh billy robinson at the at this barn out in in minnesota somewhere and they would have to run my miles and lift weights and do squats and wrestle each other for real.

[562] And it's just like all these dudes that you think it's like, oh, yeah, woo.

[563] And these motherfuckers had to go through some real shit.

[564] And they had to prove themselves to be legitimately tough enough to be even a professional wrestler to work matches.

[565] And they used to do things like hold tryouts.

[566] And people had come down.

[567] They'd pay in their money.

[568] And these wrestlers would just run them into the ground.

[569] And then, all right, whoever's left, whoever could get through the endurance part of this.

[570] okay now you're going to get in the ring with some dude and then they would just get the shit tortured out of them the at you know just totally ripped apart and then like all right cool bye you didn't make it because that's just the way it was when did it become worked right because it used to be it was like they would do like matches and carnivals maybe the 30s like farmer burns days exactly so originally professional wrestling catch catch catch catch can was 100 % real like these guys this is how people would travel the world this is how Mitsuo Maeda, the judoka jujitsu guy, ended up in Brazil doing catch wrestling, pro wrestling matches, and then ended up staying and teaching judo and jiu -jitsu and catch wrestling through the graces.

[571] The actual birth of Brazilian jiu -jitsu, which is amazing because he could trace it.

[572] Yes.

[573] Started his catch.

[574] Started his catch.

[575] Starts judo and catch wrestling.

[576] Jamie, pull up Farmer Burns hanging himself.

[577] Oh, yeah, the hangman trick.

[578] Yeah, that's nuts.

[579] His neck was so strong that he would do this trick where he would put a noose around his neck and drop and hang from his neck and support.

[580] And he was probably about 170 pounds, something like that.

[581] Probably something like that, yeah.

[582] And he would hang from his neck and not die.

[583] Yes.

[584] Which most of us...

[585] How do you even get to that point?

[586] How do you test that theory?

[587] Do you like ease into it?

[588] Do you think he's beaten off ever while he's doing it?

[589] I hope so.

[590] What a wasted opportunity.

[591] Maybe David Carradine should have been...

[592] Look at this.

[593] Go to the one where you see his full body.

[594] The far left there.

[595] Yeah.

[596] Look at that.

[597] I mean, the guy had a neck that was so fucking strong.

[598] He literally could hang himself.

[599] I mean, he had his hand.

[600] free, so he could reach up and grab the rope, I guess.

[601] But, I mean, I wonder how long you would survive doing that.

[602] I don't know.

[603] It could make it hard to give a blowjob afterwards.

[604] Yeah, for sure.

[605] There's certain dudes that, like, you look at him today, and you don't think of them as being like...

[606] A 20 -inch neck on a 165 -pound dude.

[607] That's amazing.

[608] And then he whistles Yankee -Doodle.

[609] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[610] He whistles Yankee -Doodle.

[611] Oh, he can be dropped from six feet?

[612] What?

[613] What?

[614] What?

[615] Dropped from six feet.

[616] So he probably wasn't even six feet tall.

[617] So he's dropping it from his own height.

[618] And catching with his fucking neck and then he whistles?

[619] Yeah.

[620] Also, there's gay for pay pro bodybuilders as well.

[621] Your favorite bodybuilder is maybe a male prostitute.

[622] A gay for pay.

[623] Hey, what are those little things that they put on CNN and stuff like that?

[624] Like, Miracle Weight Loss Cure.

[625] And then you go, pay dad.

[626] Like, what is the, you have these paid ads here?

[627] That's ridiculous.

[628] You wouldn't believe what she looks like today.

[629] And you're like, what the fuck is this?

[630] Yeah, you're running that through CNN through like an accredited news website.

[631] Yeah.

[632] Yeah, this is the kind of stuff that people did in the late 1900s for fun because there wasn't anything like TV.

[633] Well, I was going to say, like, no internet.

[634] So what do you do?

[635] You end up hanging yourself from seeing if you could drop them six feet.

[636] I wonder how many people tried to emulate that and it just didn't work out.

[637] Talk about Darwinism.

[638] Oh, there had to be a lot, right?

[639] Yeah.

[640] For sure.

[641] There's got to be some dummy.

[642] Like, I can fucking do that.

[643] Snap.

[644] Yeah.

[645] Oh, for sure.

[646] God, man, I bet there was a lot that died.

[647] Because there wasn't a whole lot of entertainment back there.

[648] It was either that or get dysentery.

[649] There's a crazy story going around.

[650] Some YouTube couple did some stunt where the...

[651] Oh, the girl shot the guy, right?

[652] Yeah, and killed them.

[653] Oh, really?

[654] The encyclopedia was thick enough to stop a bullet.

[655] That was the stunt.

[656] And what kind of a round was it?

[657] I don't know.

[658] I don't see that.

[659] Really?

[660] A nine millimeter, even a low...

[661] Not like a hot.

[662] load one hot load not even a real like a personal defense round or whatever it will pierce phone books no problem yeah I don't know what the fuck they were thinking can you imagine just having trust in encyclopedias to stop a bullet did they even test that out they put an encyclopedia on the ground and shoot it first I bet this crazy bitch probably she probably put some cavalier in a book and said look honey even in the littlest book will stop a bullet and then she gave them the book with no caviar and bam well I don't really believe that folks this is just a joke don't sue me women women and men man they can they figure out how to be tricky all the time or stupid as fuck they figure out there's a lot of dumb as fuck out there it's just a matter of whether or not you can survive it dude i've been trolling the past day on uh instagram putting up these ridiculous posts about bears yeah so many people think i'm serious dude i wrote about forest rangers infiltrating bear i saw i read that and people try to find their bit on that.

[663] People are so fucking stupid.

[664] It's like what we're talking about before the podcast started, about people that form cults and Scientology and Ron Hubbard and all that shit.

[665] It's this the diminishing element of critical thinking.

[666] It's not just about the reduction of critical thinking in today's society.

[667] It is the effort that it takes to be a critical thinker.

[668] And for, I would classify it under this under this concept I have that I've been working with called a human entropy.

[669] So entropy is the, in physics, it's things return, simply put, it's things going to their lowest state of energy.

[670] And human beings, human entropy will go to their lowest state of energy given an opportunity.

[671] And to the point where you see Wally, if you've seen that movie and all the big, you know, fat out, just gnarly people just floating around on hover beds being fed and taking care of and having zero strife in their life, that we will do that.

[672] given the opportunity and so not having to think critically finding a group identity of some sort even as crazy as a cult or which i would argue that there's a lot of ideologies around nowadays that are just as cult like as as scientology or you know heaven's gate stuff like that crossfit helps a lot of people i think you're so out of line uh but uh um to to be to belong in one of these groups to be a part of that identity means that you no longer have to take as much responsibility for your own actions because this group has decided your your value system how you're going to operate your ethics it also I mean there's um some philosophical arguments that part of that also ultimately stems from uh I think it's from Ernest Becker it stems from fear of death and having to mitigate the the anxiety and nihilism that come with confronting and accepting the fact that you're going to die and everything that you did is going to die with you essentially like your your lack of existence is coming around the corner not if you put on the purple nikes and cut your balls off wait for the comet that's right you drink the kuley did did you hear how the the guy uh he saw everybody dying horribly and he's like jones town yeah well fuck i'm not going to drink that please you know do something else instead it's like shoot me i don't want to i don't want to take the drink i'm sure didn't they kill like 900 people or something like that.

[673] something insane all those lines?

[674] Yeah.

[675] Yeah, it's just, it's very interesting watching people just give in to the influence of the hive.

[676] Of course.

[677] Whatever hive that is.

[678] Whether it's a religious hive or I'm fascinated.

[679] It operates on the same principles, you know, whether it be religion and you can tell people, of course, to me, religion is kind of one of the ultimate ones because everything we do has is measured against a wage You know, if we talk from games, so what's at stake increases the importance of the game itself.

[680] So, you know, fighting increases that threshold so much higher because the more greater potential for death or hurt pain, whatever, right?

[681] You're fighting somebody.

[682] And as you go down the lines, but, you know, poker is popular because the raised stakes, the money as at play and the reward that could come with it and the potential.

[683] that you could lose from it.

[684] So everything has this, this value, this measure against what you're potentially giving up and what's it, what's it hazard.

[685] So with religion, what's it hazard?

[686] Your eternal soul.

[687] Something that is so high value that you can't, oh, fuck, I can't risk that.

[688] So fuck, I guess I better, you know.

[689] I mean, that's why it's so powerful.

[690] But also, it is, it is a, a panacea for death because like Nietzsche will talk about the concept of true world values this is not the true world this other thing is the true world so all this suffering and strife and difficulty and any like bullshit that happens to me all of this in the end it really isn't going to matter because eventually I'm going to go to this true world and this is the real world and this is my payoff for all of the all the shit I had to go through down here and so So for a lot of people, the concept of having meaning for their difficulty, for their struggle is absolutely important because otherwise, why am I doing this?

[691] You know, to take your own existence, your own being in the world, and take it on to yourself and have all your own accountability and look at it as, I'm here living the best life I can because I need to live the best life I can because it's the only life I will ever live.

[692] Yeah.

[693] Yeah.

[694] That is a lot of weight.

[695] And, you know, the anxiety of people dealing with that, trying to really take that on, face on with death and their lack of permanence in this world, that's the argument is that's where nihilism can come from.

[696] And then with nihilism, it's like, well, nothing matters.

[697] So if nothing matters, then you're not, you're not able to operate anymore.

[698] You know, you're just like, what's the point?

[699] Yeah.

[700] The moment matters, though.

[701] Of course it does.

[702] All of it.

[703] Everything matters.

[704] Well, see, it's up to you to assign your values as to what you're doing anyways and why you're doing it.

[705] But, again, that involves taking responsibility for those values and carrying that burden of what that may be on your own shoulders.

[706] I think that's one of the reasons why learning some kind of a discipline in an early age is probably really important for people.

[707] I think so.

[708] I mean, I think for me, a lot of it came from being ostracized as a kid and being someone that was not of high.

[709] mentality and out of herd mentality and how'd you get ostracized for what because of what just uh for for one it was being bigger and for all the things that i was interested in all the dorky stuff or weird stuff or still play dungeons and dragons i would if i had the time i would play dungeon and dragons i would play warhammer 40k i would i still play match with the gathering from time to time oh yeah oh yeah i'm as nerdy as they get gas spells a fuck yeah are you kidding me i tap that man a motherfucker.

[710] I love it.

[711] Yeah.

[712] But, you know, for being into that kind of stuff, but also just for being, just for just being different.

[713] And some of it was like Big Brother syndrome stuff.

[714] So it's like, oh, well, you fuck with Big Brother because it's fun.

[715] And eventually he gets mad and he finds you and he beat you up and you cry.

[716] But you do it again the next day anyway.

[717] So for me, it's like, oh, here's this big kid and he's going to get upset if you start fucking with him.

[718] And it's funny.

[719] Ha, ha, ha, ha.

[720] until I get a hold of you and then it's like oh you just beat me up that's fucked up and it's like well I didn't I didn't want to beat anybody up until you started fucking ridiculing me in the first place so but when you're a little child you don't understand regulation of emotions as well you also don't understand the social parameters in which all this stuff is functioning anyways you just don't have that kind of insight and so you know it'd be like nowadays someone could walk in here and be like fuck you you suck and I would look at him and I would laugh about it does that ever happen to you because we were talking about this yesterday I was saying that I saw it happen Chuck Lede I have saw people try to pick fights with Chuck Lidale, and it's hilarious.

[721] It's like, yeah, are you fucking suicidal?

[722] Does that ever happen with you?

[723] No, no, no, no. I have never had anyone really tried to pick a fight with me. I had a guy at a concert once, like get all butt hurt about me not letting him pass in between me and this girl that was standing with me. Because people kept trying to cut through to get, it was at anthrax, and he wanted to get, and I'm just like, fuck this.

[724] Why do people keep trying to walk between us?

[725] Like, Jesus, just go around.

[726] So eventually I'm like, no, I'm not letting anybody by.

[727] my elbows out and people would bump into it and then go go around well this guy he just kept going kept tapping it's just like man fuck you dude i'm standing here with a girl go away he was trying to get between you and your girl and so eventually he was trying to get like a dick rub like maybe i mean if he'd asked nicely maybe he would have got one wow that's a bold ask but uh you know what though fortune favors the bold and i'm a kind human being maybe he didn't want me to rub his dick but that's what he would have got that too so you give and you take sir so uh you uh you know you The guy comes around, he finally goes around us, and then he's just, he looks at me. He's like, hey, man, I was trying to get through.

[728] And I go, look, I'm standing here with this girl.

[729] Like, get it.

[730] Yeah.

[731] Go somewhere.

[732] You just go around.

[733] And he's getting all, he's getting pissed about it because I'm dismissing him, you know.

[734] And so eventually I was like, just, you know, just go, let's walk away.

[735] Now that gets his fucking hackles up.

[736] And he's all mad.

[737] He's, he's looking at me. He's like, you, this and that.

[738] I just started laughing at him.

[739] I go, oh, you want to, you want to scrap because you can't get through here?

[740] Is that, is that it?

[741] Is this what you want to do?

[742] And he's just like, well, and I go, okay, okay, we'll just move on.

[743] Oh, fucking chest up, even bigger.

[744] And it's just like he looks like he's going to walk away, whatever.

[745] I'm saying, all right, you know, okay, do your own thing.

[746] He's like, he's just getting even more worked up and he points his finger out, and I'm laughing at him.

[747] And the girl who was, who did his jiu -jitsu and was a fighter, she reaches out and grabs the whole this guy's wrist and pulls his hand down.

[748] She's like, you don't want to do that.

[749] And then he looks at her and he looks at me and I'm just smiling.

[750] and he pulls his hand back and I go, I know what must have gone through his head is just like, this girl's grip is serious.

[751] And she's telling me, don't fucking do it.

[752] It's probably a good idea not to fucking do it.

[753] Probably exactly.

[754] But other times there have been like, you know, I'm not impervious to getting in a mood.

[755] And so sometimes I've been out and about and someone's being a dickhead and I see it.

[756] And it's like, okay, this guy is, he's clearly trying to egg something on somehow.

[757] And so, maybe I, you know, add a little something to that, seeing if he'll, if he'll, if he'll bite and just won't happen.

[758] You know, or I've had some people go, oh, yeah, of course no one's going to fight you.

[759] They know who you are.

[760] I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?

[761] I'm some sort of de -list celebrity.

[762] Nobody knows who the fuck I am.

[763] You can get away with a lot, I think.

[764] And the thing is, if a guy knew how to fight, he would know who you are.

[765] Or if a guy was a fan of fighting, he would know who you are.

[766] And those guys would be way less likely to pick a fight in the first place.

[767] There was one dude who was at this bar in Fullerton, and he's being just belligerent, he's being an asshole in this place, and my buddy Hammer, he was a door guy at the time, and they're like, come on, and this guy's fucking getting all riled up, and I'm standing there with Hammer and just looking at this dude, and eventually the other door guy comes over, and he's like, hey, you fucking dumbass, you're wearing the fucking t -shirt of that guy right there, so maybe you might want to shut the fuck up.

[768] And so this guy's wearing one of my affliction shirts, and the guy looks at the shirt, and he looks at me and he's just like, oh, shit.

[769] That's so stupid.

[770] Getting your ass kicked because you picked a fight with a guy whose shirt you have on.

[771] Like, you're wearing a Josh Barnett shirt, and you don't know who Josh Barnett is.

[772] Well, a lot of this shit comes from people putting themselves into situations where they have up the ante to where for them not to follow through is, is going to be.

[773] bring about like a huge internal conflict with them you know they're going to know that they they raised the stakes and then they had to back down which i think is really hard for just about anybody to deal with to get yourself to a point where you're like yeah you know i'm in the right and then to to dial that back i mean people don't even want to really apologize for anything let alone have to admit that they took something too far it got to a point where they weren't willing to go and back down and there's a lot of insecurity involved in that there was a lot of insecurity probably to get to that point in the first place which is why people that really know how to fight don't have to go out there and try to prove to somebody else that that they are capable or that look at hey everybody look at how how badass I am so you know when it for me I just I don't start fights you know I mean barring that maybe that occasional moment where someone I thought was being an asshole.

[774] I thought they were being a shitty person.

[775] The reason they were being a shitty person is because they thought that no one would call them on it.

[776] And for me to call them on it is more about there doesn't need to be any conflict here tonight, but you want to create it because you're an insecure little prick.

[777] So I'll be your huckleberry.

[778] All right.

[779] Now that you see that somebody was willing, now how much is it worth to you?

[780] And of course, it's almost, it's never worth it to them.

[781] And even people that have, you know, been all fucking fired up.

[782] And, you know, of course, they're operating off of anger and emotion and of upping something to a point where they don't feel that they can back down because if you give someone an out especially in these kind of things 90 % of the time they take it but uh but this that always that last word thing that everybody wants yeah yeah yeah they want to feel like right to a lot of dickheads but you know when you sometimes you turn to somebody you go you don't know anybody that knows anybody that knows anybody that knows anybody that can kick my ass so I don't know what you're going to do right now or who you're going to call but it ain't going to fucking work Or it's just, you know, turn to somebody, like, how many friends you got with you?

[783] That ain't enough.

[784] You know, go get more.

[785] Because I don't know which one of you guys want to get involved, but the first one that I can get my hands on to, I'm going to fucking cripple you.

[786] I'm going to fuck you up.

[787] I'm going to fuck you up.

[788] I don't know if you guys can take me, but I want to know how many of you I'm going to take with me first.

[789] Or my favorite is people nowadays don't really.

[790] So everything is a reduction to violence, essentially.

[791] everything everything is a reduction to violence at the base level like the final the final element is violence so what i'm saying is that so we create all these we create laws we create social norms we create all the customs and things to honestly to avoid things getting to violence but even your simplest law is essentially rooted in the element of violence so okay uh you you you will use some some some, some law, right, like a ticket of some sort.

[792] And it's like, well, I'm going to fine you for the thing.

[793] I'm not going to pay it.

[794] Okay, well, then we're going to find you some more.

[795] I'm not going to pay that.

[796] We're going to do this.

[797] I'm not going to do that.

[798] Well, okay, then if you're not going to pay the thing, you're not going to, you're not going to do this.

[799] And you're not going to let, you're not going to, oh, well, then what we're going to do is we're going to arrest you.

[800] No, you're not.

[801] At some point, it reduces down to violence.

[802] So we're using violence all the time to, or at least the con, the, the, for a lot of things.

[803] For pretty much everything, you know, in terms of social controls.

[804] Eventually, if someone doesn't want to adhere to those controls in some way, violence is the final solution.

[805] It's what it boils town to.

[806] It is the basis for all of our police and military.

[807] And even, honestly, it still exists within all of us on a social level.

[808] It's just that we have managed to take that concept and put it on to something else, the law.

[809] right police something like that but the reality is is that if some guy just at some point says you know I don't really give a fuck and you were an asshole and I'm just going to wreck you okay you can sue them you can do this you can call the cops on them you can whatever but violence is going to happen whether you want it to or not and whether this person was in the right because that's another thing is like violence in and of itself even if you're the winner like I don't remember what the philosopher was said You know, winning the duel doesn't mean that you were correct.

[810] It just means that you won, you know?

[811] That's a good point.

[812] Dules.

[813] Yeah.

[814] But, so all these things are, you know, customs, norms.

[815] A lot of this stuff is to avoid anything breaking down to violence because, you know, you bump into someone, you spill their drink.

[816] And they turn you and go, hey, man, well, that was fucked up.

[817] And you turned to me and you go, you know what, it was.

[818] I'm sorry.

[819] Or you could turn to me like, you know what?

[820] Fuck you.

[821] Fuck me. You spilled my drink.

[822] I'm taking offense to this.

[823] I now don't have my drink.

[824] Who's going to make this right?

[825] I don't really give a shit.

[826] Huh.

[827] Everything starts to escalate.

[828] And as soon as one person takes a stand and if that other person rises to that next level too, and they rise it again, eventually you get to a certain point.

[829] It's like, okay, where are we going with this?

[830] Where is the solution?

[831] Where does any of this lie?

[832] You've stripped down all other options until you got to.

[833] a point where all you got allowed yourselves was violence or to completely pull yourself entirely out of that situation which a lot of people aren't necessarily if it really really really really got to that point they're not willing to do because now there's too much mistake to have the emotional maturity to realize that they've made a mistake or to just not engage and not want to be a part of it yeah but then that there's that psychological thing of wanting to win whatever weird battle of words right well and there's there's other complex things like if If it was males, you know, there's social hierarchy stuff.

[834] If it was females, there's social hierarchy stuff between that.

[835] If it's male and female, it could be, you know, well, there's always this societal, if you're really super concerned about what other people think or how you're going to be perceived by others in a group setting, you know, that could also plan a factor, which happens, you know, out and about on the town or whatever, your buddies always see you in this situation or other people, everyone, okay, you got their attention.

[836] Now what are you going to do?

[837] And so if they see you completely retreat, everyone's like, uh -huh, all right.

[838] Well, that guy really wasn't what he said he was.

[839] Like his...

[840] Right, right, right, yeah.

[841] You're not down, man. Did you ever see that thing where Sean Connery is talking to Barbara Walters and she asked him about hitting chicks?

[842] Yeah, I've seen it.

[843] And he's like, sometimes you give them the last word, but that's not enough.

[844] They have to say more.

[845] And you just got to give him a little smack.

[846] A little smack.

[847] Yeah, that's Just said it And Barbara was just like She didn't know what the fuck to do She thought she had him Yeah She thought it was over And he dug his heels in He's impervious I guess You know But uh I He probably had no come in his body Because he probably fucked 15 different women that day Right And he was just like What kind of Nonsense conversation We're having here Do I need to smack you Barbara?

[848] I'm fucking Sean Conry They're Look at the smile on his face.

[849] James Bond.

[850] Look at my mustache.

[851] I'm bald.

[852] I don't care.

[853] I'm a manchman.

[854] Let's play.

[855] Can we play it without getting pulled off of YouTube?

[856] Remember you said you don't do it with a clenched fist.

[857] It's better to do it with an open hand.

[858] Yeah.

[859] Remember that?

[860] Yeah.

[861] Remember that?

[862] I didn't love that.

[863] I haven't changed my opinion.

[864] You have it?

[865] You think it's good to slap a woman?

[866] No, I don't think it's good.

[867] You don't think it's bad.

[868] I don't think it's that bad.

[869] I think that it depends.

[870] entirely on the circumstances and if it merits it.

[871] What would merit it?

[872] Well, if you have tried everything else and women are pretty good at this, they can't leave it along.

[873] They don't want to have the last word and you give them the last word, but they're not happy with the last word.

[874] They want to say it again and get into a really provocative situation.

[875] Then I think it's absolutely right.

[876] Wow Oh boy Oh that's so people get Sean Connery being rude and aggressive Play that up next What is he getting rude and aggressive about Do you work for the Tabloids or the News of the World National Inquirer Are you wearing a jockstrap or what?

[877] I'm not not tonight's there now Okay that's why you're smiling I have indeed Maybe it's too tight The director isn't here tonight Any particular reason behind that?

[878] I mean, would you work with that man?

[879] You probably knew you were going to be here.

[880] Would you make another film with the director again if you had the chance?

[881] Would you do another interview with me?

[882] Of course I would.

[883] Yeah, well, I wouldn't do a film with Ham.

[884] Thank you.

[885] All right.

[886] Thank you very much.

[887] Wow.

[888] Hello, I'm Sean Connoery.

[889] How are you?

[890] It would be funny if that was Barbara White Waters right next to him.

[891] He's ready to take some dick.

[892] That honestly didn't seem that rude or aggressive.

[893] He just didn't like the question, and he fucked with him about it.

[894] Yeah, well, click.

[895] but in anyways uh i i personally do not put hands on women i'm not in not into that i also have you ever a chick try to hit you though oh fuck yeah are you kidding me no i've been uh i've been chin checked while driving once i was like snack well that was cool you know we we hit each other now is that's what it is to get fucked hard you're not fucking are hard enough josh apparently not shit put your boots on those wrestling shoes you wore when you tap down yeah i need to uh need to lace up motherfucker put some uh some uh some some tackam on my arms, you know, make sure to get a good grip.

[896] You might want to throw the mattress on the ground.

[897] Right.

[898] You know, so you could really like dig in like a side control sort of thing.

[899] Yeah, really.

[900] We can really bottom that thing out.

[901] Yeah, man. Like, you push up against a wall and your feet just on hardwood floor.

[902] That's what I'm thinking.

[903] Right.

[904] You're just planking and just, you know, driving.

[905] Actually, office carpeting.

[906] Imagine if you had your bedroom.

[907] Like the stuff is stain resistant.

[908] Yeah, it's got that grip on it.

[909] super gripping girls are like what the fuck is this like what why is your carpet so harsh shut the fuck up we're this is going to get real real in a second but you're going to love me for it uh no i've been i've been hit uh i i'm not gonna i'm not like oh you've been an abusive relationships not like that i mean it's just people it's frustrations and people not being able to manage those i remember one uh this gal uh she trained she fought and at one point and she used to do all kinds of shit right to go you know what that is the most fucked up shit you're really abusing the fact, you know, your gender, and that you know that you're a woman, so I'm not going to do anything.

[910] But you're going to do shit to me that if you were a man, I would just knock all your teeth out.

[911] Like, you've crossed so many lines and been so disrespectful and done things that are, you know, an invasion of personal space and respect.

[912] It's just like, man, that's just too much.

[913] Like you went way too far.

[914] Physical violence.

[915] Like punching you while you're driving?

[916] Yeah, yeah.

[917] What if you went out?

[918] That had been hilarious.

[919] Because it's a girl who knows how to fight, right?

[920] And you know what?

[921] the person well this one wasn't the the one that punched me while I was driving didn't know how to fight but uh yeah well you know it's like they say too what the drunk guy he passes out he's always the one that doesn't get hurt right so I would have been like mm -hmm and then the car was cheap anyway so I wouldn't have cared and she probably would have got tossed to the window but uh but I just remember her saying to me this one time this the one that did train she's like you know what you know what fucking kills me I could I could just hit you as hard as I wanted to I could do whatever and it wouldn't fucking matter because you know because you're you and you're just so much bigger and I'm just like Jesus fuck why is that my fucking fault right you know we're having we have an argument about something and you escalate it and and then you're mad at me because you couldn't beat me up at the end of it you got so mad that you can't kick my ass and now that makes you matter let me play armchair psychologist because I'm good at this what I would think is that a gal like that.

[922] First of all, she probably enjoys having a certain amount of physical power over people and when shit escalates, she wants that violence to be real.

[923] She wants it to be a real threat coming from her, which is why she probably started fighting in the first place.

[924] Now, when she's fighting, when she's arguing with you, all of a sudden, she's in this fucked up situation where what she's worked for her whole life is to become this scary girl.

[925] A girl could fuck people up, a girl who's like literally a threat physically.

[926] She could probably knock a lot of dudes out, right?

[927] but she's confronted with a giant former UFC heavyweight champion.

[928] And she's like, God damn it.

[929] Well, I do think that that psychology can absolutely hold true.

[930] For this one particular girl, for her, I think it was a matter of not being able to, you know, having this frustration about not being able to get the outcome that they wanted.

[931] And having what they would feel is no recourse to get me to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to get.

[932] come to term, come to their terms in their way.

[933] But usually she uses physical violence.

[934] No, no, this girl never used physical violence.

[935] This girl never did.

[936] But she was worried about that then.

[937] Nah, you know what?

[938] It's just insecurity.

[939] It's insecurity.

[940] And it was just like, how is that even, why, why, for one, you know, this girl, I was with her for a long time.

[941] This, you know, I haven't, this one was a long time ago.

[942] My most recent one, on the other hand, that one I've actually seen use violence before.

[943] And it's just like how, to me, it's just like, even with arguing, we would get into these arguments and someone would make, you know, statement A. And I'd say, okay, well, I don't think statement A holds true because of these reasons.

[944] And then we'd start going.

[945] And then all of a sudden, statement A is get straw manned into something else.

[946] And then, no, no, no, you can't leave statement A because you're basing your arguments on that.

[947] We're not talking about statement B. That's a whole different scenario altogether.

[948] this argument isn't is going nowhere now now it's getting circular and you keep taking me away from the original argument to begin with they start hitting you with six years ago you said this to me it well not it wouldn't be stuff like that it would be it would be something on i don't know she turned into a gigantic marxist sjw so really yeah while you were dating her yes she turned to sjw social justice warrior ladies and gentlemen if you're and uh it would just be like well that okay hold on that that doesn't make sense, I don't, I don't, your logic here, I don't think falls, you know, being correct.

[949] She turned into this.

[950] Like she didn't start out doing this?

[951] Uh, I think it existed, you know, she's from, she went to Berkeley, so, you know, but nonetheless, it wasn't something that I ever saw, especially to begin with.

[952] It didn't seem like that was what I was in store for until one day, you know, I look over and I'm like, huh, Das Kapital.

[953] Well, yeah, I think reading Marx is interesting and I think it's worthwhile to understand some of his his arguments and I think he's got some interesting critiques of capitalism especially back in its day with with this industrialism industrial society at that time but he doesn't understand people at all his solutions are fucking hackneyed and you know he's coming from a very interesting position because he doesn't even he as a person doesn't even stick to his own his own shit, you know.

[954] But in anyways, so we're having these arguments and then it would turn to a pejorative.

[955] And I'm like, well, okay, why are you attacking me?

[956] I'm not attacking you.

[957] I'm not even being angry about your statement.

[958] I just, you made statement A, so I don't believe in it.

[959] I don't, I don't think that that's correct.

[960] So we're having a discussion.

[961] But now it became a personal attack.

[962] And once it even gets to that, let alone someone even back in the day talking about, oh, it really upsets me that no matter how angry, no matter whatever.

[963] if I hit you or did this it wouldn't matter because you're you it's like well both of these statements come from the same same both of those scenarios come from the same place it's like now you're trying you're attacking me the individual because if you're going to do that you aren't thinking about me as the person that no no no I got your back through heaven and hell I will kick the gates of hell down and kill everyone there if I got to for you they're they're they They want to devalue, they want to devalue me, the person, because they feel attacked in some way.

[964] They feel like they're so attached to their statement, to whatever that may be, which has some attachment to maybe what they feel is their existence, that to change that is dangerous.

[965] To haul it outright wrong would be an even bigger problem.

[966] I mean, you know, it's just like this stuff would start showing up at the house.

[967] And so I'm like, all right, I'm going to start doing research on marks and angles.

[968] and all this different stuff, and then as I would go further and further and further and further down the rabbit hole, I come back and I go, oh, okay, so this argument stems from this and this and this and this and they're like, no, it doesn't.

[969] Like, well, okay.

[970] Why do you think people operate?

[971] Like, what do you think their whole reasoning is?

[972] You know, we get into these arguments about capitalism.

[973] Like, capitalism's a neutral system.

[974] But let me ask you this.

[975] What is it about social justice warriors or left -wing people where Marxism is so attractive to them?

[976] Well, for one, it's this idea of equity, like this same thing.

[977] Like everybody, nobody is being left behind and no one is becoming greater than anybody else.

[978] Right.

[979] It's also the idea.

[980] I like to think of it.

[981] I think a lot of these young people look at it as mom's house, mom and dad's house.

[982] So when you're at mom and dad's house, someone does your laundry, someone cooks your food.

[983] You know, you always just show up.

[984] You got a place to live.

[985] You know, the TV turns on and there's your table.

[986] And they think the government should become mom and dad once you leave the house.

[987] So they want mom and dad.

[988] house to exist forever so it's just like they can run off and do whatever it is they want to do food there's plenty of money for food there's plenty of money for shelter we just need to spend it right the redistribution of wealth right exactly because if you exceed that system to more than they deem that you should have then you should give it to somebody else and it's like well how do you think I got this I got it how many I'm sorry to interrupt you go ahead go ahead well it's just like how do you think I got this uh people could say well it was you got it through you and inherited it okay that does happen I could also have got it through hard work and dedication and some some guile and some smarts and made it happen for myself does that somehow mean that I had to do it at the expense of someone else yeah that's a shitty argument right but that's the argument that they keep bringing up that if you're successful you did it on the back it's all grift it's all grift yeah what do you think this is what I wanted to ask well that's the compelling thing is an interesting thing too it's like if someone agrees to do a job If their skill set is limited in such a way that they were capable of doing this job at this moment, now, of course, if you're asking me, they have a potential to do more than that as long as they're willing to invest back in themselves and find another skill or expand that skill.

[989] You know, if there's always possibility for growth within a human being, within their lot in life, whatever that is.

[990] And that could be transferred into work, could be transferred into personal goals.

[991] I mean, it's all about how you value things also.

[992] So this person gets into this job working, making widgets for this guy who invented this widget.

[993] This guy invented the widget.

[994] The argument that, okay, the worker deserves just as much as the guy that invented it, it's like, well, hold on.

[995] Without the guy that invented the widget, you have no job.

[996] Like all of these people that are working out under, working underneath them would have nothing.

[997] They would have zero.

[998] There would be no widget to build.

[999] And the guy that made the widget also has the most responsive.

[1000] because he had to come up with the money to produce the widget, to be able to hire the people to make the widget, to then market the widget, to do all these things to the widget, to get it out there to make it successful enough to then support more people.

[1001] And that doesn't necessarily mean it's on the back of that other person because you could also say, well, is everything on the back of the guy that made the widget?

[1002] I mean, do you just, his idea is not worth, is not, can't be belong to him because he created it.

[1003] We should take it for us, even though we know.

[1004] never we did not come up with it we never created it we didn't even have the facilities to make didn't create it and didn't invent it are the ones who want to define how much this guy should get for inventing it versus how much they sure and i would get into arguments uh with my ex about she's like oh i think all businesses should be co -ops and my thing are like what does that mean well like cooperative where everybody is getting an equal share and into the business to sell businesses yeah that's hilarious it is hilarious also because i would say all businesses can be co -ops there is no one stopping a business from being a co -op we You know what stops businesses from being a co -op is someone doesn't want it to be a co -op.

[1005] Or someone decides, well, that doesn't, I can't do it that way.

[1006] So it won't make as much sense for me to create a co -op situation as it would to not.

[1007] A co -op sounds nice.

[1008] An enforced co -op does not sound nice.

[1009] Well, of course not.

[1010] A co -op sounds nice.

[1011] Like, say if you and I live on a block and we say, hey, let's, we got this fucking patch of land.

[1012] Let's start a garden, start a little small farm.

[1013] We'll just have a little co -op here.

[1014] All right, cool.

[1015] Great.

[1016] Yeah.

[1017] Beautiful.

[1018] But that's everybody doing it by choice.

[1019] And says, Josh Barnett, is this the Josh Barnett farm?

[1020] Yeah, well, you're going to have to turn this into a co -op.

[1021] And you're like, well, the fuck I am.

[1022] Well, we're going to put you in jail.

[1023] Exactly.

[1024] And then it comes back down to violence.

[1025] Here's the question.

[1026] This is what I kept meaning to ask before I forget.

[1027] Do you think that the, what do you think the numbers are of the people that are involved in these ideas that have never competed in anything?

[1028] Now, that's, my ex -girlfriend is a professional fighter.

[1029] And she fights in Bellator.

[1030] However, the idea of.

[1031] the meritocracy of being a fighter, it seems, it's not, I don't think it's lost on her.

[1032] I just think that she, she doesn't like the way it's worked out for her.

[1033] And that makes her upset, whereas for me, I found success as being a fighter.

[1034] And sometimes it would appear that she would be, she would be upset at me for what I was able to do and somehow think that maybe I was less deserving or somehow I'm, it's an exception that, who knows what.

[1035] But the reality is, it's like, I can sit back and go, oh, Mark Hunt just made $800 ,000.

[1036] Her thought might be more, let's say, we're just, I'm making this up.

[1037] I'm not saying that she said this.

[1038] You know, it's like, oh, why does he deserve $800 ,000?

[1039] Why I make $4 ,000 or $5 ,000 or whatever.

[1040] I've seen people say that.

[1041] Right.

[1042] It's just like, okay, well, I could think of plenty of reasons.

[1043] He draws more tickets.

[1044] He's got a better record.

[1045] He's a superstar.

[1046] Or he's won.

[1047] He's a K -1 champ or whatever.

[1048] You know, at the end of the day, if he's fighting in New Zealand, too, by the way, where he's a hero.

[1049] Right.

[1050] And if he's selling more tickets than you are, then he deserves a greater percentage of that money.

[1051] Now, now you come to me, and I can be like, well, I beat Mark Hunt.

[1052] Right.

[1053] But what's her argument for that when you say that?

[1054] Her argument for that would be that, you know, this other person isn't any more deserving than me. So everybody should get paid the same.

[1055] So if John Jones fights Daniel Cormier, huge fight, everybody on the undercard gets a fair share.

[1056] Well, either that or just like, well, I deserve more than this.

[1057] And my argument would always be when she was upset about what she may be getting paid here or there.

[1058] And some of this, I'd go, well, look, for this, for what we're trying to accomplish and for what is available in these markets, that's not a bad payday.

[1059] Well, that sucks.

[1060] No, I agree with you.

[1061] You should make more money.

[1062] But we can't.

[1063] It's not available.

[1064] So we have to deal with what we have.

[1065] For me, and then I would look at something like Mark Hunt and be like, well, I would look at something like Mark Hunt and be like, well, I beat Mark Hunt, but so what?

[1066] I'm more glad that Mark Hunt was able to create an opportunity to make $800 ,000.

[1067] So therefore, if he can make $800 ,000, now the potential for me to do that exists as well.

[1068] And it's just similar to like the old Gina Carano thing where everyone got on a train about wanting to beat Gina Carano.

[1069] Fuck Gina Carano.

[1070] She's not even that good and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all this hate at Gina Carano.

[1071] But when the reality is like, okay, well, even if you beat Gina Carano, you're not going to get what Gina Carano gets.

[1072] You're not going to get, people aren't going to like you just as much or more.

[1073] It's really not about any of that.

[1074] the only thing you can control is yourself at the end of the day you can only control yourself you can you can work to try and increase or you're in determine your value in terms of what you're trying to sell but isn't part of selling today at least talking shit some of it seems to be like because of Connor yeah his proficiency at it yeah and his massive financial success because of it but he wins too yeah he wins all the time he won belts he made very bold statements and then went out in one.

[1075] Another person could then go and talk shit.

[1076] Maybe they win, and people still don't care as much.

[1077] Right.

[1078] You know, you can't force people to care, and what makes them care is a metric that you just can't define.

[1079] You know, there's one way of doing it is to make them all hate you.

[1080] But when you lose, what's going to happen is you're going to drop off often.

[1081] Everything that you gained will be lost.

[1082] But as they hate you, as you continue to win, they're going to be more incited to watch you fight.

[1083] They're going to be more interested to watch you fight.

[1084] Or you could be a guy like Randy Couture, everybody loves.

[1085] And even when he loses, everybody loves them the same.

[1086] Sure.

[1087] And, you know, how that combination comes about is, it's magic.

[1088] Well, I think with Randy, it's sincerity.

[1089] But I think, look at Kevin Lee and Michael Kiesa from this past weekend.

[1090] Perfect example of, like, a feud these guys put together talking shit to each other at a press conference.

[1091] They get in a scuffle at a press conference.

[1092] And all of a sudden, everybody cares about the result of the result.

[1093] this fight and then the fight has a controversial ending and now it's even more crazy sure and now there's a lot of eyes on Kevin Lee and Michael Kiesa that three four months ago just I've been saying both guys are super talented sure guys have some really good wins and um I think Kevin Lee's got some real fucking potential but people weren't really talking about the way they are now so a lot of other fighters are going to look at that and go yeah that's what I got to do I got to talk shit on Gina Garano or I got to talk shit on well it's a lot of that is is what with the the Gina Carano thing that was insecurity and that was also well she was a superstar and the only it was and people wanted they thought that they could have what she had by taking it from her and it's like well that's not actually how it works right you can you can beat her and that will definitely do something for you and by fighting her it's going to elevate your your status but not the same status like holly home you're your own person she knocks out ronda sure i mean she devastated ronda right she was the first one right is undefeated looks like a tank he's coming at her and Holly winds up head kicking her and knocking her out.

[1094] I mean, Holly is still a really highly respected professional fighter, but it's not the same.

[1095] It doesn't have the same.

[1096] Well, it also did something for her accolades coming in, so she's this heavily touted boxing champion.

[1097] Yeah.

[1098] That boxing championship looks more interesting now after she goes and she wins the MMA belt, too.

[1099] Let me ask you this.

[1100] Why don't they set up Cyborg versus her?

[1101] Isn't that the fight?

[1102] Cyborg versus Holly Holm?

[1103] I think that would be a good fight.

[1104] Durandamie.

[1105] I don't know.

[1106] A lot of people thought Holly Holmes should have won that fight.

[1107] It was a very close fight and Durandami definitely hit her twice after the bell, yeah, for real.

[1108] Really significant and should have been a penalization.

[1109] So why the fuck is on Holly fighting?

[1110] I know she just fought Betch Kohia, but as soon as Megan Anderson dropped off, if Holly could take it, I mean, she didn't have, unless she's not injured, maybe she is, who knows, she might be.

[1111] Managers, yeah, who knows.

[1112] Bookers, who knows.

[1113] Who knows what?

[1114] But that's the fight.

[1115] That's an.

[1116] interesting fight.

[1117] Holly versus Cyborg is the fucking fight.

[1118] It would be a great fight.

[1119] I think people would be interested to watch it, but it's not the fight that's being made.

[1120] I know.

[1121] Tanya Amherjure is stepping up and fighting Cyborg instead.

[1122] And short notice.

[1123] You know, but Tanya's a gamer.

[1124] She's very tough.

[1125] She will fight anybody.

[1126] Well, that's a highlight real fight because of that, because she's so tough.

[1127] That's what makes it exciting.

[1128] But you know, Cyborg's a giant person.

[1129] She is.

[1130] She's so big.

[1131] She's super explosive, which to me, explosiveness in women's MMA is a massive difference between success and not like if you're high if you're super explosive like that usually makes a massive a big difference in terms of your success rate did you see cyborg sparring with clara shields two -time Olympic gold medalism boxing and hanging in there man I mean she's getting out box for sure but not by much she landed some good shots she's still game and moving forward yeah fighting and throwing stuff back yeah and dangerous yeah and dangerous against a super high level boxer.

[1132] A girl that's even arguably bigger than her, too.

[1133] Yeah, and lightning fast.

[1134] But watching Shields, like, set things up and use that jab, like, dude, I just want to, someone's like, get her to come learn some fucking sprawls.

[1135] Specialization, you know?

[1136] That's the thing about boxing in the Connor and Mayweather fight is it's the specialization of a boxer versus the MMA person.

[1137] I would say the MMA fighter is the superior fighter, right?

[1138] When you start, to me, the most open and the most even playing field is the one that has the least rules.

[1139] Yeah.

[1140] But by funneling that down to those specific skill sets with boxing, you create a specialized athlete.

[1141] While there are skills within boxing that will transfer to MMA, even just in terms of boxing, the timing and the footwork that you might use in boxing isn't necessarily what you would use in MMA and vice versa.

[1142] Sure.

[1143] Stance, distance.

[1144] Right, but so I see that, you know, it would be great if Connor goes out there and wins.

[1145] It would make MMA look that much bigger, you know.

[1146] But, and he's got the power, and he's a great athlete, and he's got good timing and accuracy.

[1147] I just don't see him being able to get flush on Mayweather the way that's going to be needed.

[1148] It seems highly unlikely unless he old school Bernard Hopkins.

[1149] You know, remember Bernard used to fight, he used to clinch guys and just seriously rough muffin clinch, and outside he was just straight defensive.

[1150] But do you really think that boxing referees are going to let that?

[1151] that happened?

[1152] No, I don't.

[1153] No, and there's going to be even more eyeballs on Connor to diminish that aspect, because they're going to be expecting him to do stuff like that anyways.

[1154] You know, there's, I'm sure there's already, I've heard, that there are elements in the contract about kicks and things like that.

[1155] They have to put that in there.

[1156] They would have to put that in there.

[1157] If you just decided to haul off and kick him, then that's it.

[1158] You lose all your money.

[1159] Yeah, that makes sense.

[1160] But I feel like if you, if you looked at Connor and like his skill set, like what he's capable of doing, like, overall, I could see how he would think, like, man, it's just striking.

[1161] I feel like I could probably get close enough to, I can get off on anybody.

[1162] Sure.

[1163] But that level, that Floyd Mayweather is at, like to have zero professional boxing fights and then to spar with him.

[1164] And, you know, also from Connor's perspective, he's thinking, this is a chance to be a hero.

[1165] This is another opportunity to be a hero.

[1166] I have hardly anything to lose, if at all.

[1167] And all to gain.

[1168] I have the potential of winning.

[1169] I also have a big payday, win or lose.

[1170] So everything works out towards a win -win situation for him.

[1171] You know it would have been great if Connor could get this stipulation.

[1172] We'll only box, but we wear MMA gloves.

[1173] Very different.

[1174] Floyd has had issues with his hands in the past, which is why he almost exclusively wears winning gloves in the ring.

[1175] So that would never happen.

[1176] Which are very thick, fat gloves.

[1177] And I think they're fighting with 10 -ounce gloves, too.

[1178] It's a big glove.

[1179] 10s, not eights?

[1180] No, I don't think so.

[1181] I think the greed upon weight was 10.

[1182] See if that's the case.

[1183] Is that the case?

[1184] Yeah.

[1185] Ah, wow, I'm surprised.

[1186] Interesting.

[1187] I would have thought eights.

[1188] Yeah, I want something a little bit.

[1189] Because they're like, what, 140 some pounds?

[1190] Or 150?

[1191] I think they're going to fight 55.

[1192] Okay.

[1193] And I think, I thought 60 was the cutoff, but I might be wrong.

[1194] 168 or 170.

[1195] It might be 54, yeah.

[1196] Where they go to 10.

[1197] Huh.

[1198] But either way, much bigger than four, which is what he's accustomed to.

[1199] Yeah.

[1200] And I feel like if, but, look, man, it's, it's, it's, Still, you know, I had a conversation with a buddy of mine who's a really good Jiu -Jitsu black belt and he was going to fight in MMA and he had very little sparring in terms of like MMA sparring or very little kickboxing sparring almost no striking and I said, you know how you can do things to people on the ground where you get some guy who doesn't know what he's doing.

[1201] You can just do whatever the fuck you want to him.

[1202] I go, this guys, they can do that to you standing up.

[1203] Like, you've got to be careful.

[1204] Like you can't get this in your head that you're awesome at something so you're awesome at everything.

[1205] Right.

[1206] Because the type of mentality.

[1207] that a person has to become, whether it's a championship level MMA fighter or boxers, that focus, that intense focus.

[1208] Like, sometimes guys get twisted and they think that because I'm a Brazilian jiu -jitsu champion, I could be a kickboxing champion.

[1209] I could be an MMA champion.

[1210] I could do whatever the fuck I want to do.

[1211] But the road is long, man. The road is long.

[1212] People forget all that they went through to acquire such a set of skills to get there in the first place.

[1213] And I understand that, You know, a highly, highly specialized jujitsu or wrestler can go out there and experience success in MMA right away.

[1214] However, like you said, they might come across that guy who is so good on their feet that they can do the whatever they want to to that guy and just leave them clueless.

[1215] And when, or there's that where that, there's that person that you're just not able, you take them down once twice, but they can keep it back to their feet.

[1216] Now all of a sudden, you're tired.

[1217] You've been pushing so much harder because you can't.

[1218] fight a plan B or in this other plane, you have to fight within the plane that you're an expert because you put all your marvellous in one basket.

[1219] You're not a mighty mouse who can kind of do it all in any form.

[1220] You're a Damien Maya who's learned how to kickbox, you know, got really good at it.

[1221] But when you fight Damien Maya, you know real clear what his plan is.

[1222] For sure.

[1223] And even still, Damien Maya has learned to create striking that helps mitigate other people's striking so that he can get his best game off.

[1224] Yeah.

[1225] So that's still a type of stand -up work that he's working on within, that has been specialized for MMA as he fights in the UFC.

[1226] Do you agree, though, that a guy like Connor McGregor would have way more, like, I feel like the odds of Floyd beating Connor are extremely high in a boxing match, like in the high 90%, right?

[1227] Right.

[1228] But the odds of Connor beating Floyd in an MMA match are 100.

[1229] Pretty much.

[1230] Pretty much 100.

[1231] Like 99 .9 .9.

[1232] Connor would have to like really fuck up.

[1233] Yeah.

[1234] He'd have to get, you know, chin checked doing something.

[1235] Stupid.

[1236] He would just not kicking.

[1237] Right.

[1238] Yeah.

[1239] He would kick the shit out of his legs.

[1240] This isn't a fight about who's a better fighter.

[1241] Right.

[1242] This is a fight about who's a better boxer.

[1243] Yeah.

[1244] And the idea that Connor's just going to step in and just clang Floyd with, with a straight left is almost as ridiculous as the idea that Floyd's gonna step into an MMA fight and catch Connor with a big punch and knock him out.

[1245] Ray Mercer, Tim, um, Tim, um, Tim Sylvia style.

[1246] I say it's more like Floyd Mayweather jumping in that cage and arm barring Connor, you know, it's like that.

[1247] Yeah, yeah, yeah, catching him in a fucking rolling guillotine.

[1248] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fucking Victor roll into a knee bar.

[1249] He's hit him with an Iminari spin, catch him with one of them crazy heel hooks.

[1250] Well, you know, Floyd, his heel hooks.

[1251] Well, that was one of the crazy things when James Tony fought Randy Couture.

[1252] Like, there's all these people speculating, like, how much James Tony's been training MMA.

[1253] And you got to see him do some stuff with like an MMA trainer.

[1254] And you're like, oh, okay, he's not barely doing this.

[1255] He's barely doing this.

[1256] He does not, he doesn't know anything.

[1257] Well, this is crazy.

[1258] And then Randy just goes out there, low single, the ankle, the poof, just falls over in that end of that night.

[1259] Yeah, low single, Randy on top.

[1260] That's a wrap.

[1261] Randy was merciful, though.

[1262] I mean, he punched him a few times and then just choked him.

[1263] Yeah, yeah.

[1264] Randy isn't really, he wasn't known for being a particularly vicious competitor.

[1265] Yeah, I have a feeling you probably would have treated that situation slightly differently.

[1266] Yeah, I would have tried to tear absolutely limb from limb.

[1267] Not because of any particular personal animosity, just because I go out there to wreck people.

[1268] Because I want to make sure that if I'm winning, I'm winning.

[1269] But if you had a guy like a James Tony on the ground who came in from professional boxing, no MMA fights.

[1270] Would you have it in your mind that you need to prove a point?

[1271] Or would you have in your mind just finish him when you can?

[1272] Smash him any way possible.

[1273] You know, I'd chop his leg, whatever, shoot a double, blow through him, get on top, and then just start doing whatever is available.

[1274] For such a nice guy and such a well -spoken guy, you enjoy hurting people in a very disturbing way.

[1275] It's what I'm good at.

[1276] It's what I was, it's what I learned in an early age that it was something that I excelled at.

[1277] I asked you just in partly to see your response because I knew that you were going to get worked up about it and you were to think about smashing them and like what you would do.

[1278] Like it's seen in your eyes thinking about taking them down and dropping elbows in his face.

[1279] I love that's part of the reason why by leaving fighting I know is going to be tough not competing because I love going out there.

[1280] And in some way it is I was explaining this.

[1281] I was actually at a philosophical lecture the other night.

[1282] and uh because i'm a big fan of philosophy what was the philosophical well this this lecture was on a 16 part series on uh america and it was this last one uh this friend of mine hit me up she goes hey this thing's going down uh at this this school so hey why don't why don't we go check it out all right cool and so it had something to do with uh futurism and i forget what else but as the lecture was going on people would chime in and say stuff and so it point, I'm listening to some of these arguments, some of it I'm just going, you just don't really, you don't understand people that way.

[1283] I mean, a lot of these arguments always come from some idea of a base motivation from somebody, like the idea that all capitalism is theft.

[1284] It's like, well, you know, you don't have to be a horrible person to operate successfully within a capitalist system just as much as just because you create a communist system doesn't necessarily make you benevolent because as you will look, you know, you know, you know, in the Soviet Union and as you've had Robert or Jordan Peterson on here and he'll tell you all of the elements of of the brutality of communist systems.

[1285] And then of course I remember being in the 80s and even seeing slides from one of my teachers who was over in the Soviet Union and sneaking photos out of the USSR because they didn't want any photos of living conditions and all these sort of things, bread lines, all that stuff brought back to the Western world because they felt it would make them look bad.

[1286] Well, of course, because it did, you know, and people were entrenched in these systems and abusing these systems to their benefit, just like our politicians abuse our system to their benefit, just like all human beings will abuse a system to its benefit when given the chance to do so, either out of selfishness to the point of maliciousness or even just direct maliciousness.

[1287] so the human element is the key process in all systems they're the they're pretty much the cause of all systems failing and they always will be but when you try to create some other roundabout idea you try to assign uh you know these other crazy concepts as to why or you know you create these micro group ideologies and you distill and distill and you constantly create like with with Marxism it's a conflict theory so there's always has to be some sort of oppressor there always has to be a conflict you know a lot of human beings aren't out there trying to oppress people they're just trying to get theirs right and or you know creating their little tribes and creating what they you know to use a overused word safe space for themselves that which they understand this area they understand these demarcations about this group and these people and this thing and even this area of land at which you live in you know the idea of going i know i'm going on i know i'm going off on a tangent here from our original discussion, but the idea of like personal property and, you know, you have your fence lying around, let's say a piece of property.

[1288] I was walking through Joshua Tree and looking at all this stuff and pondering some things.

[1289] And, you know, that property line isn't just about me owning this and keeping other people out and being and looking at it.

[1290] And someone wants to say, oh, you just want to be selfish and own and be greedy and dominate something and say, well, actually, think about it this way.

[1291] That line is the same as an extension from my own personal space.

[1292] You know, I know you, so, you know, you can get right in my personal space, and I don't care, because we've already vetted each other, we've already had a relationship.

[1293] I have a good understanding of who you are as Joe Rogan and your being in the world, and you understand me to a degree as well as Josh Barnett.

[1294] Versus some guy who just shows up at your house.

[1295] Versus some guy, some things, anything that you don't know.

[1296] You don't know.

[1297] So you have this fence line is, is what you're doing is you're creating this space.

[1298] that is just an extension of your own personal bubble of your own personal safe space and so within that you feel like you vetted it you know these rocks you know these plants you understand the the pluses and minuses of this area that exists and so within this place of existence you can be your most authentic self without any concern of the rest of the world now if somebody something was to come and want to cross that that line you'd want to say well i don't know what it is yet so i want to vet that source and then say okay yeah it's okay I'll allow you into my into my space into my area and so now you too can also be open to the vulnerability that I'm giving you because that's what it is you know our personal space is about our vulnerability about the ability for someone else to you know interact with us physically as well as emotionally and so even just having your little cabin with your little fence that little fence that you can't have that right Well, that would be Marxist ideas of no private property.

[1299] Everybody gets an acre.

[1300] There's not like a lot of full -on old -school Marxists anymore.

[1301] They're all pretty much neo -Marxists from the, as Peterson and other people have described from the Frankfurt schools, you know, permeating into academia and going after the superstructure instead of the base.

[1302] I think there's an undeniable aspect that you talked about before where with your ex -girlfriend, at least, or with some.

[1303] some people like that, we don't even have to single out her, that people that are not successful in this, in the competition of life, seek to diminish the success of those around them.

[1304] Yes.

[1305] Well, also, it's, it's, the other thing about that is, the value that you create, where, where, what is your values?

[1306] Where, what is your value system and, and how is that going to influence you?

[1307] So, if you, if your value system is based on external elements, like, you know, Nietzsche talks about the danger of unchecked envy.

[1308] You know, envy being a life -affirming element, you know, if I envy Joe Rogan in his podcast, which I do, I can see that, well, Joe was able to create this podcast.

[1309] So the possibility exists so for a person to create a podcast and be successful with and expand from there on out.

[1310] So that envy can drive me to then work towards it because I know it's a possibility.

[1311] Having unchecked envy would be to be angry at you for having that podcast and thinking that, well, you know, he's got this thing and I want that thing.

[1312] How do I deserve it to?

[1313] Or even if you don't deserve it, burn it to the ground.

[1314] Why, right, you know, because you're so upset about it.

[1315] That's the lowest of self -esteem, right?

[1316] The people that not only do they not think they can't compete, they don't want anyone to be successful because they don't think they're ever going to be successful.

[1317] And every day, without social, throughout social media, people are seeing manufactured, manicured interpretations of life and thinking and weighing themselves against that.

[1318] So that's just one example of how you are, using these external forces to determine your value systems or putting value on things that are beyond your control or putting value in areas that are unnecessary that are actually harmful to you and so people if I had to just walk away from everything like my muscle cars and all that stuff and I know I know it's a horrible thought I have a I have some projects that are that are going to be to completion here soon that are I'm just so looking forward to you still driving the challenger though that you're my mode of transportation yeah that's my daily driver but i'm replacing it with a 75 formula firebird with a 455 that i punched out the 470 automatic overdrive trans and hotchka suspension uh willwood brakes all the way around on it it's gonna be fucking great nine inch forward in the back speaking in which gabriel igles was just on j leno garage yeah and he's got a dope bert reynolds fucking smoking the bandit transam yeah they do build them off the new camaro's yeah he was loving it but uh is that what his is from uh one of the new camero I just saw the picture of him standing with Jay next to the car The car looks sick It is, it's a sweet car I've seen him at Seema That's a car that doesn't impress girls at all That's a car only for Look at that fucking thing So that's based on a new camera The one on the left The one on the left is a real 77 Or 78 The one on the right is a brand new one Holy shit So there's, oh my God So they put a front new nose piece on it They put the shaker scoop They put it and this one They put an LS3 and, you know, they do all this stuff.

[1319] For folks who don't know, it doesn't even exist anymore.

[1320] Dead.

[1321] I wonder if they could do that with the ZL1.

[1322] Of course they could.

[1323] They could do it with anything.

[1324] You know that ZL1 is the fastest cars to ever lap the Nuremberg ring?

[1325] Faster than the Corvette Z -O -6, faster than anything.

[1326] It's incredible what we're doing with cars.

[1327] But so if I had to give all this shit up, if I have to give all this shit up, I would hate it.

[1328] That's amazing.

[1329] I would hate it.

[1330] I would not love it.

[1331] Yeah, it's a Bert Reynolds' edition.

[1332] Holy shit, he signed it.

[1333] Yeah.

[1334] So, but if I. did truth be told look at the hers shifter my dick as hard as a rock truth truth be told i can i can get rid of all these things i can be free of all of that stuff and still have a life that makes me highly happy but it's not crazy i know i don't want to i don't want to get crazy i'm sure i'm going to extremes those marxists they're fucking with your head man they're changing your values i know they want to take my firebird my gt 500 and all that stuff but uh you know i can't help with car has more boosts than yours yeah you can't but uh uh the thing is is that it's where i put my values or what what is valuable to me and what's valuable in living and being so for someone else they they put these things on other stuff and they give responsibility what they end up doing is transferring that power to external sources and when you start working off of external sources as your your value as your value system then you've taken away that power from yourself right And so.

[1335] Well, there's also the rejection.

[1336] I have a rejection of the idea that you can't enjoy people's creations.

[1337] I think of a car as a creation.

[1338] Yeah.

[1339] I mean, I think of it a lot of ways as like a mass -produced piece of art. Sure.

[1340] You know, what someone's done in creating like that new, what is it, the demon, the Dodge Demon.

[1341] Right, that Challenger that will go 960s.

[1342] It goes zero to 60 in less than three seconds.

[1343] Yeah.

[1344] And it's a production car.

[1345] And you can't drive it if it's colder than 15 degrees out.

[1346] you can't drive it it's like it's such a such a fucked up car but like that to me is I'm fascinated as someone chose to make it I like to I look at that the same way I look at them doing space exploration like oh that's all going to trickle down to regular cars sure you know they're going to figure out how to make tang out of this sure and and that's the thing is that these things wouldn't exist if people weren't driven to to express their will to power and grow to want to be their greatest version of themselves to create a greater thing than the last thing to to push that envelope and while it's not always going to be successful it's the idea of creating something greater and greater and greater now i mean there's the argument with with science that there's always a you know is it uh shoulda or coulda you know of course there is an element of ethics it has to play into that i think that you need to be aware of and there's also with objects you don't want to get obsessed and fixated on objects but it doesn't mean you can't enjoy a new laptop right well and at i think that a lot of these new like champagne socialist type folks they enjoy they enjoy these the new laptops and the new iPhones and all that stuff it's they love all the modern conveniences of of the capitalist country that we live in and you know if someone wanted to sit down and talk to me about the the danger the the elements of our society of our capitalist economy and how it is in is an issue the issues within it now totally I get it no our system is fucked up in a lot always don't get me wrong but by replacing it with with um you know some sort of a marxist system now you're just asking for i mean we already have enough trouble with people in power being unseatable in in a sense like us being having a very ineffective way of really uh affecting our political system and creating change within it and and having things you know taken away our new laws created altered like it's so impossible right but it's like it's a system that works outside of us even though we're supposedly the ones that can control it but uh you create a a communist system right you create a full state's secured system you really have no ability to affect that right without some sort of uh you know violent revolution which uh doesn't not probably in your best interest uh with the way technology and military and all that stuff.

[1347] I mean, it's just, I mean, no one wants their things to get to that point.

[1348] And so, so they always preach a ramp down version of it, though, because like the, well, there's never any, by the way, there's never been a true, a true communist system or there's never been true Marxism.

[1349] It's always the fucking no true Scotsman fallacy.

[1350] It's like, it never happened.

[1351] This never happened yet.

[1352] And it's like, what the fuck do you think the, the Soviets were doing?

[1353] What do you think that the Maoists, they all thought they were doing it, right?

[1354] You know, but it, and even then when you go to look at China nowadays, like, well, they got all these capitalist elements within it that are making their economy just fucking flush with money so flush with money that they're they're like I don't want to give it to the government so they send it all over to Vancouver and buy up all these houses and stuff like that and then have their like teenage kid live there all over Hollywood even Bel Air right a lot of a lot of Asian money a lot of money from Saudi Arabia as well right and you know Saudi Arabia you're talking theocracy yeah and they're worried about their money getting taken away over there so they buy by real estate over here yeah And also, it's very valuable.

[1355] It keeps going up.

[1356] It's a good investment.

[1357] And when you're making trillions of dollars by sucking oil out of the ground.

[1358] Sure, sure, sure.

[1359] And, you know, at the end of the day, the thing about all this stuff is that if you give people the most opportunity to be free, you're also giving the most opportunity to be shitty.

[1360] And you have to accept that.

[1361] You just have to accept that some people are just going to be fucking assholes.

[1362] Some people are going to be shitty.

[1363] Some people are going to try and create a system that you're not.

[1364] not going to like that's going to reward others for things that you don't think it should.

[1365] Right.

[1366] You're always going to get those hedge fund dudes.

[1367] You're always going to get those guys who have those gigantic estates in the Hamptons and fuck people over.

[1368] And my ex -girlfriend graduated with a physics degree.

[1369] Didn't use it.

[1370] Okay, fine.

[1371] But you spent all this money to go to that school and should it have cost that much money?

[1372] Should the rates on loans be with there?

[1373] I don't think so.

[1374] I think that's a real scam.

[1375] You know, you didn't probably understand or were ill equipped to understand, like all of us were when it came to school.

[1376] Yeah, when you're 18, you don't know what the fuck that means.

[1377] We didn't really understand what a racket it was at the time.

[1378] So, you know, I totally feel for her there.

[1379] And then, so then she goes, she gets a different job doing something else, but made her great money, but she hated it, didn't like it, what it didn't want to be in that.

[1380] All right.

[1381] So then chose to fight and do, like, you know, personal trainer stuff and then would always gripe about how she didn't make enough money.

[1382] And it's like, well, you could do, okay, well, then how about this?

[1383] You charge X amount per hour normally.

[1384] Well, how about you set a limit to where you get to X amount of people?

[1385] And then once you go over that, now you double the fee because it's not really worth it to you anymore, is it?

[1386] So you create an increase and you see what your minimum is and then over that.

[1387] And if people are wanting to pay it, then they pay it.

[1388] Well, I couldn't do that.

[1389] That would be unethical to charge these people, double what I'm charging these people or whatever.

[1390] It's like, well, okay, then.

[1391] how about you create a class schedule set up and you iron out some time here instead of teaching one person you teach five people but then you charge them you know two thirds what you charge and it's just like well it's like it's like well okay if you at the end of the day we have to do what we need to do to pay our bills and do these things and do whatever but we also have to determine how we acquire those bills to what what our expenses are going to be and if we can't create a system that supports that then we have to reevaluate that and then change appropriately.

[1392] The one thing we can't do is just be upset, you know, and that's what people would like to do.

[1393] Of course, because they would like it to be, oh, well, I can do this or I can do, I should be able to do this, I should be able to do that.

[1394] It's like, nobody, you can, you can, you can do these things.

[1395] You can do these things.

[1396] People just love to bitch and just chase their tail and go around in circles.

[1397] Freedom, uh, being truly free in, let's just say in an existential sense means that you have to take responsibility for all these actions, but it's also all.

[1398] on you to find your own success and that means you're going to fail that means you're going to struggle that means all these difficulties you're going to happen but i personally believe that through struggle and and these difficulties that's where growth comes as well well the question is what's the alternative the alternatives what you sit around and complain whenever someone else is more successful than you sit around and complain that you're not making enough money you sit around and complain that the deck is stacked against you sit around complain that you didn't use your education sit around complain that in your field of choice you didn't succeed well here's the other thing a lot of people then want to find somebody who is the reason for their downfall.

[1399] Yeah.

[1400] This thing is what's keeping me from being successful.

[1401] That's the boyfriend.

[1402] I wasn't.

[1403] You know, everything I did was to help.

[1404] You know, I did as much as I could.

[1405] You're too big.

[1406] Talk too much shit.

[1407] You're too opinionated.

[1408] Too smart.

[1409] I'm tired of it.

[1410] Yeah.

[1411] I put it, you know, at the end of the day, you know, fuck, I got completely betrayed and cheated on for months in the end of it.

[1412] Well, so it's just like, oh, well, you know, I put all this investment into trying to help this other person and create a life with them only to get completely screwed over in the end.

[1413] But I'm sorry to hear about that, but we're getting super personal here.

[1414] Yeah, it's true.

[1415] But what it comes down to also is that when you look at these kind of things, you have to say, well, okay, well, what would I have done differently?

[1416] And you should be like, for the most part, you shouldn't have done anything differently.

[1417] You know, when you invest in somebody else, when you do for somebody else, you don't do it.

[1418] for the return or for what you think you're going to get out of them you do it because you're doing it because it is what you believe is the right thing to do and then to be you know you can be upset about other the way things have turned out you can be upset about like well you know ethically i think you did this or you did that and you can be upset about those things but then to it's just like whenever you come across that person that just has nothing but shitty things to say about their ex like it's probably you oh dude you know for me i could be like nah i thought my ex was the greatest woman i'd ever met and she absolutely possessed qualities that aligned with that but she also had some really terrible ones that ended up being you know right whenever you meet someone and all they do is complain about their exes it's usually there's usually a little of them and what they're saying too but see that that's just you know this is just human beings in their own existence and so be it their relationship be it their business be it you know all these things are are all stemming from the same elements within themselves now they are subject to other very specific elements to like things that are like what kind of elements well okay when it comes to your point to like what's the for most people like what's the the big factor in not getting their shit together uh the big factor not getting their shit together is not coming to terms with their own inefficiency uh failures or inability to accomplish a certain task and looking outside of that for a reason versus looking internally to see like I didn't have enough skill to do X, Y, to do this thing, or I didn't put in enough time to acquire the skill to do that, or I made a mistake here that cost this.

[1419] When it comes to a relationship, you know, it's where it lives, the difficulty lives there can be specific to different emotional elements, you know, versus your work versus how you even find time to make the most.

[1420] out of your leisure time.

[1421] You know, these are, every situation has its own subjectivity to it based on these other external factors that change from each situation.

[1422] But ultimately, everything stemming from you anyways.

[1423] So your way of approaching these things and dealing with these problems and how you let them affect you, and I'm not just talking about being a complete stoic and being just cold and unafeeling, unaffected and unfeeling, it's just about having these things happen and then what do you do do about it?

[1424] You know, how do you also, how do you measure that metric?

[1425] If you have the greatest year of life and then you have, you know, an hour that's super shitty in traffic, did that become and that really stuck with you and someone hit your car and, you know, my challenger's got a dent in it and it's like, oh, did I really have the worst day ever?

[1426] Or did I just have an hour of an aggravation that sucked but ultimately how can that if I allow that to take away from everything that happened up to that point then you know I just assigned all this value into this one moment right that really no one necessary you train a lot of fighters yeah you you work with do you do you sit down and talk to them about this kind of shit as well 100 % is this a big part of like how you like think about it as a program for sure because whoever I take under my wing I don't just train people to train them um i don't them them being fighters is one piece of their life one element one's honestly eventually it'll be it'll be a small element but it but it has a lot of impact and meaning i mentor people when i work with them i'm trying to help them visualize and achieve their greatest state of being from what they can get now fighting may be a vehicle to help try to achieve that but ultimately they're living their life and they have a they have something that they're trying to accomplish with that and so for me I'm trying to help them realize what that is and that's going to be different from other people just as much as you can't coach everyone the same way everybody needs something a little different in terms of what they're trying to achieve and people want to achieve different things of course they've got this they have this element of fighting and success within fighting that that is a bond that is a similarity amongst the rest of them and even amongst me but beyond that that changes from there on out so um you know just recently i've been working with travis brown you know people are like holy fuck you guys are your homies what the hell happened and it's just the thing was is that Travis uh was had tried to get in touch with me through uh marina before like hey he'd really like he really wants to talk to you and i'm just like uh okay i don't know what he wants to talk about And this is like over a year ago, I think.

[1427] And then, but for one reason or the other, we weren't able to ever cross paths.

[1428] But through that time, it would keep coming back.

[1429] He really wants to, you really like to, you really like to see you.

[1430] Not just text you, not just chat with you on the phone, but actually see you.

[1431] Okay.

[1432] You know, that already says something to me. That already has a lot more meaning.

[1433] And so sure enough, I meet up with him this one time where at a coffee shop.

[1434] and he just wanted to sit down man to man eye to eye and just go over like any of the beef that we had had and make his statements and any apologies and anything that I might have to say in any apologies and I was like holy fuck you know a man that I use man I'm not trying to be specific but any person that is willing to sit down and be accountable and hear somebody else aside and just show up and be like look man I'm not looking for something from you but I'm trying to be open and deal with whatever this, this is out here.

[1435] Put it to bed.

[1436] Yeah.

[1437] That's very admirable.

[1438] Exactly.

[1439] It is such a rare commodity.

[1440] And how long ago did this happen?

[1441] Maybe about six months ago.

[1442] And he's got a fight schedule right now.

[1443] That's right.

[1444] Maybe it's even a little more than six months ago.

[1445] He's fighting Alexi Olenik.

[1446] And so he hits me up.

[1447] He goes, hey, I would love it if you could help me out.

[1448] So for me, it was a no -brainer.

[1449] Like, fuck yeah, I'll be there.

[1450] And so I drove out to Vegas with one of my guys, Shohei Amamoto, who was getting ready for.

[1451] for his, the Kiochshin kid, his fighting locally here in CXF.

[1452] So I'm like, I'm going to finish this kid's camp out here away from everybody else.

[1453] And I'm going to help you out at the same time.

[1454] Cool, cool, cool.

[1455] So he put us up in his place.

[1456] We would go and we'd train twice a day.

[1457] I would work with him on grappling.

[1458] I would spar with him.

[1459] And, you know, just take on that role of coach alongside Ricky Lundell and Ray Seffo.

[1460] And he's a fantastic student.

[1461] When did he start working with Ray?

[1462] I think he's been working with Ray for about a year now About a year, I think That's a good move And he's kicking again He's throwing knees Which is great Yeah, a guy 6 foot 7 He's a kick foot 7 and moves Like Dominic Yeah yeah When he was not Sorry Dominic But I mean when he was at his best For a heavy weight There's no one who moves like him He was he's very agile on his feet He's got great quickness Good and he's got great reach Good power Hell I should know And the thing is he was having he just didn't feel that he was getting what he best needed so he made a change and even still for fighting someone like Alexi he felt that oh well having a guy that was a good grappler and also good at that head and arm position which Alexi likes to have someone come in here and work with him in these very specific areas but you know for me it's like well if you want me to be here I'll be here and I'll help you in any way I can and so I would work with him while we're sparring we would do situational stuff and uh you know he was just like a sponge and watching him get better every day and having some other uh guys around to help and be bodies too and it ended up being great it also was great for show hey because i was able to uh put him in a very isolated environment and keep his focus so razor sharp and he went and knocked his guy out in 22 seconds who was undefeated that's awesome so uh so now it's you know Travis is in town doing some press stuff and i'm going to try and link up with him as much as possible and just keep working with him.

[1463] And the thing is, guys like that, I mean, they're already physical.

[1464] They already have fights under their belt.

[1465] They already accomplished.

[1466] With them, it's about nuance.

[1467] So are you going to be like his head coach?

[1468] There's discussion of that, yeah, maybe.

[1469] But the reality is that I just need to do whatever it is I can do to help him and his team and be a part of all that.

[1470] And, you know, whether I'm a head coach or a persistent coach, I don't really care.

[1471] Doesn't matter what the title is.

[1472] I just need to be in there in the trenches with these guys, putting our heads together and helping Travis be the best he can be as a fighter.

[1473] And even then, through these training sessions, you know, you're teaching somebody about getting out of a move, you're teaching somebody about doing a move.

[1474] But wrapped in that whole bubble is, okay, you're having a hard time right now, yeah?

[1475] Yeah, okay.

[1476] That's okay because you're still moving forward.

[1477] Don't worry about how difficult it is.

[1478] Sometimes this is going to be hard as shit.

[1479] Other times, things will work just like that.

[1480] It doesn't matter.

[1481] The matter is you got to keep going.

[1482] You got to keep moving forward.

[1483] You got to keep fighting.

[1484] You got to keep working.

[1485] And you then went, you know, from one position, it's like, well, you can't afford to be here at all.

[1486] So no matter how hard it is, you've got to get out.

[1487] But you can rest over here.

[1488] Or it's like, you know, this training session was super fucking hard.

[1489] That's great.

[1490] If you're not pushing yourself into your absolute exhaustion now, how do you think you're going to perform when it's at its utmost.

[1491] So he wasn't getting that.

[1492] No, no, no, I think it's just, I'm just throwing out examples, but it's just about working with him on a mental level too and getting his mind in that best state to then best use those physical capabilities because ultimately, in my opinion, mental is the most important aspect when it comes to fighting, how you approach this thing, your mentality towards each individual skirmish within that, that fight that eventually leads to either your success or your failure.

[1493] and that is always that's always the thing it's like whether I could teach someone to throw a kick this way or kick that way or you know there's always a way to make something work you know maybe there are some techniques that are more low percentage than others especially but there'll always be a guy that can make it work you know however your mental the way you approach a fight mentally is the fucking thing that is the hardest thing to hone the hardest thing to hone the hardest thing just to change over.

[1494] The hardest realizations to create is all in terms of how you mentally approach a fight, how to control your nerves or how to over...

[1495] Do you thought about writing this out, like, as a book?

[1496] Yeah, I do.

[1497] I think about writing.

[1498] I think about writing, in terms of fighting, I think about writing in terms of philosophy.

[1499] I think about maybe doing speaking engagement, stuff like that, you know, talking about...

[1500] If you sat down and came up with, like, sort of a comprehensive step by step for young fighters, that would be, like, super valuable.

[1501] Maybe.

[1502] I don't know.

[1503] I guess if you come up with a step -by -step.

[1504] Sure, you could do that.

[1505] Which, of course, is going to be, just like you said, framework.

[1506] Yeah, give them tools to fall back on if they're in a certain situation.

[1507] This is something you can call on.

[1508] This is something you can think about if you find yourself stuck.

[1509] This is the mindset instead of just swimming out there.

[1510] Sure.

[1511] Freaking out and treading water and trying to figure out how long you do it for, have a very specific mindset that you adopt or that you take on when you're in a bad spot.

[1512] Sure.

[1513] And a lot of drills and things that I'll create for fighters are based on creating comforts and familiarity to where things get to a point you're not thinking about it anymore, but you're so comfortable and in that moment, in that space, that you can react and act as most easily as possible.

[1514] And also once you end up in a position that is negative to you, that is detrimental, how to then work your way through it and still do so with comfort.

[1515] Like I loved watching Liz Karmouche on Ronda's back because Ronda stayed so, so calm that that's how she was able to work her way through it, fight that arm off her head, keep in good position and eventually work her way out of it, instead of seizing up and possibly.

[1516] possibly, you know, locking in place and then Liz being able to finish that face lock or that choke.

[1517] What did you think about that Kevin Lee, Kiesa fight?

[1518] I didn't watch it.

[1519] You didn't watch it?

[1520] No. How dare you?

[1521] I know.

[1522] I'm a fighter that doesn't really watch fights.

[1523] It is a crazy ending.

[1524] So I heard.

[1525] Yeah.

[1526] Kevin Lee took Kiesa's back, which is Kiasa's thing, right?

[1527] Yeah.

[1528] And he took his back, sunk the choke in.

[1529] Kiesa fought off.

[1530] He went palm to palm.

[1531] Kiyasa, like, was trying to gut it out, he says.

[1532] and Mario Yamasaki steps in and stops it before he taps.

[1533] I wouldn't have done that.

[1534] No one does that, especially to a choke.

[1535] It's one thing if a guy's arm is snapped and you see it broken and then you call the fight.

[1536] Right.

[1537] But this is not that.

[1538] And he's saying that he thought he went out.

[1539] It's just 100 % poor officiating.

[1540] I mean, I haven't seen any argument from anybody on the right side.

[1541] I mean, in terms of people that are either work for the UFC trainers, fighters, even jiu -jitsu.

[1542] athletes, everybody says, you got to let him go out.

[1543] You got to let him go out.

[1544] I agree.

[1545] It's not a bad thing.

[1546] But, uh, no, who knows what he would be dreaming about?

[1547] For people who don't know, it's not, it's not like getting knocked out.

[1548] Yeah, he could have been, you just get shut off.

[1549] Being with two chicks.

[1550] Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't hurt you, is my point, for people who don't understand what we're advocating.

[1551] It's not like let a guy get knocked out.

[1552] Well, we get knocked out, it's not good.

[1553] But when you get choked out, it's almost nothing.

[1554] It literally's almost nothing.

[1555] Pretty much.

[1556] It's a, it's a little, you're, your neck's going to be sore.

[1557] Yeah, for sure.

[1558] I don't think I know Mario I've known him for a long time And he just made a mistake And that's the thing You know referees are human They all look It's a fucking very hard job He probably thought Kiesel went out He thought he saw here Take a look at it here Let's play the whole thing back From the beginning, Jamie So you can see that I can only get it from here Okay just okay go it from there So he's get it He locks it on the neck Sure He's got the body triangle Kiasis is fighting It peels it off And then Kevin locks it the body triangle down tighter.

[1559] I see it.

[1560] Yeah, yeah.

[1561] Gets that palm to palm and look at this.

[1562] See, he's fighting it off and look, he's not out at all.

[1563] He's like, I didn't tap.

[1564] What the fuck?

[1565] I didn't tap.

[1566] I think that's a bullshit stoppage.

[1567] And it's not, you know, look, Mario made a mistake, but it's a bullshit stoppage, 100%.

[1568] I can't even imagine anybody defending that stoppage.

[1569] There's no reason.

[1570] Well, it's not like extra punches.

[1571] Because if you don't defend your making that stoppage.

[1572] He's crazy.

[1573] Well, I understand that, but people don't want to, they don't want to accept any blame.

[1574] Let's watch you one more time.

[1575] See, he's gutting it out.

[1576] Yeah.

[1577] He's gutting it out, man. People don't realize it takes a lot of effort to squeeze that.

[1578] Palm to palm in particular, using a lot of muscle.

[1579] There's not a whole lot of, it's not the same kind of leverage that you get when you do the traditional karate job on the head.

[1580] You know, up in the area, but I mean, you can still grab, you could touch the guy's arm.

[1581] Yeah.

[1582] Yeah.

[1583] And they're stiff.

[1584] Yeah.

[1585] Yeah, he's still resisting.

[1586] And you don't have to, it's not like strikes where you have to have your hands up covering yourself.

[1587] Like to resist it, he can resist by just really flexing his neck.

[1588] It's not smart.

[1589] And Tyron Woodley had the best commentary on this, honestly.

[1590] He was on that UFC panel show.

[1591] And he's like, look, you shouldn't, he goes, you shouldn't be in that position in the first place.

[1592] You shouldn't be defending it like that with your hands like that.

[1593] And you shouldn't have let that guy get his arm under your chin like that.

[1594] All those things are bad technique.

[1595] and he's dead right.

[1596] He's dead right.

[1597] The whole thing is kind of crazy.

[1598] I mean, yeah.

[1599] But he took a beating before that.

[1600] He took a beating before that.

[1601] This is one of the things you don't get in the context of this.

[1602] As he was getting shellacked?

[1603] Yes, because Kevin Lee had his back.

[1604] And while he had his back, see if you can find that.

[1605] Well, I mean, I can see that he's cut.

[1606] Oh, he's been bleeding.

[1607] He has his back and he was beating the fuck out of him from behind with his back.

[1608] Just bang, bang, bang, while he's back riding him.

[1609] He beat the shit out of him before that.

[1610] So he's probably stunned.

[1611] I'm also of the sort that sees guys that are getting hit in the four -point position, turtle position, you know, guys are swinging on them, and they've got their arms up and they're covered.

[1612] Often, a lot of times, they're like, just keep letting go.

[1613] You're not getting through, but reps will see like, oh, it looks bad and we're stopping.

[1614] It's like, but he's not really getting hit.

[1615] I agree with you, 100%.

[1616] I think there's been many fights where fights were stopped quick when a guy was covered up where there's nothing else he could do but cover up.

[1617] What else is he going to do?

[1618] Yeah, the guy's swinging on him, but he can't land a successful.

[1619] The only reason that guy is flurring so hard, really, I mean, well, not the only, but the main reason is probably because he thinks the ref's going to stop it.

[1620] Beyond that, he wouldn't put that kind of effort into it unless he's just completely losing his shit and being like, oh, fuck, this is a shit, I'm going to, and he's not thinking about it, which could come back to haunt him.

[1621] Like, I've seen a lot of times, old, old, old school fights, guys even in Mount, just on load on a guy, and the guy survives it, reverses it, and eventually he gets his, and it's done.

[1622] Shane Carwin, Brock Lesner.

[1623] Yeah.

[1624] Perfect example.

[1625] Shane Carwin beat the fucking shit out of Brock Lesnar for a full round, got on top of him, full mount, dropping bombs on them.

[1626] Somehow or another Brock Leser survives, take Shane down the second round and submits him quick.

[1627] It happens.

[1628] You've got to let fights play out.

[1629] But I think in that situation, there's no argument for stopping the fight because it's not like strikes.

[1630] There could be an argument where Brock Lesnar is on the bottom and he's not moving enough and maybe some people are a little bit more cautious might have stopped that fight.

[1631] But there's no argument to stop that fight.

[1632] I don't think that the fight should have been stopped.

[1633] So what do you do about that?

[1634] And he needs to do a better job but not letting guys get under his chin.

[1635] Yeah.

[1636] But what do you do about that?

[1637] If you're the commissioner, if you're the king of the world, do, do, uh, make it a no contest?

[1638] I think if you're a commissioner, you, uh, I don't know, uh, I kind of feel like you have to keep him, give him the win.

[1639] It's hard to reverse something like that.

[1640] It's a mistake that the referee fucked up for sure.

[1641] He stopped the fight, but he stopped the fight based on a, and this is where I'm going to go against myself.

[1642] A very advantageous position that was as close to finalizing and finishing as you can discern where a guy's no longer defending with his hands.

[1643] He's hanging in that.

[1644] I mean, I think Mario fucked up because he didn't let it get to 10, but he let it get to 9.

[1645] It got to 9.

[1646] Yeah.

[1647] Yeah, that's the thing, too.

[1648] He was so locked into that choke.

[1649] Can't take his victory away.

[1650] I feel like you can't take Kevin Lee's victory away.

[1651] Me too.

[1652] It's just no good.

[1653] There's no good that comes to that.

[1654] It's not good.

[1655] So you give them an immediate rematch?

[1656] I think that's the move.

[1657] That's exciting.

[1658] That's a good move.

[1659] Yeah, I could see that.

[1660] But here's the thing, you know, this is price fighting.

[1661] Right.

[1662] Is there the interest?

[1663] All right, then make it happen.

[1664] I think there is.

[1665] And make it happen.

[1666] I'm interested.

[1667] The promoters got to make money on it.

[1668] Yeah, I think that's a good fight to have in Detroit.

[1669] Because I think they're going to do a UFC in Detroit, I heard.

[1670] I'm scheduled to do a...

[1671] Isn't Detroit having a UFC basically every night?

[1672] No, I think it's different.

[1673] It's like...

[1674] It's more like a guy.

[1675] battlecade old school John Peretti's just hanging around saying like oh it's so sexy just a sexy joke he's riding him like a pony most people have no idea I have party with John Peretti that is I love John Peretti's commentary oh it's hell it's enjoy him it's fantastic I mean and you know him he brought a lot of really good fighters to the world of he did he had a great eye for talent.

[1676] He was the guy that found Andrei Arlowski.

[1677] He, uh, you know, Yor Zinoviev, Mario Sperry, Maurice Smith.

[1678] Mori Smith, yeah.

[1679] Matt Hume.

[1680] Yeah.

[1681] Well, I was going to bring up Saka Raba.

[1682] Like, when Saka Raba fought Conan and the UFC, that was the first time we saw Brazilian Jizzu Blackbelt get submitted.

[1683] Right.

[1684] We were like, we thought they were invulnerable.

[1685] Well, and up to that point, and the fight before that, uh, he clipped Sokarba with a good shot.

[1686] Sackaraba drops in on a single and then Big John accidentally stopped the fight.

[1687] Right.

[1688] But then they let him fight again.

[1689] Yes.

[1690] Which is the craziest fucking thing ever.

[1691] Like, they would never do that today.

[1692] No, never.

[1693] That's crazy.

[1694] I forgot about that.

[1695] That is a very, very unusual turn in reverse.

[1696] And on that very night, Randy Couture beat Marie Smith for the UFC heavyweight title.

[1697] And his tights got torn so you could see his, like, speedos underneath that Randy was wearing.

[1698] Wasn't that when Frank Shamrock also beat Kevin Jackson?

[1699] Yep, arm bar.

[1700] Oh, that's right.

[1701] And like 20 seconds.

[1702] With shoes on.

[1703] Yep.

[1704] Yeah.

[1705] Yeah.

[1706] Yeah.

[1707] Old school, man. I loved it.

[1708] That was the first U .S. That's when I quit.

[1709] I quit at that UFC.

[1710] I'm like, I'm not going to Japan.

[1711] That's when I quit.

[1712] Back in the old days.

[1713] When I was doing the post -fight interviews?

[1714] Didn't we do one back in the day on the, like the graffiti brick wall thing?

[1715] Yeah, we did something, man. Yeah.

[1716] That was, you know what?

[1717] When you won the title, I was there, but I wasn't working for the UFC.

[1718] I was just watching.

[1719] And that was back.

[1720] when I was just friends with Dana, and I was just going to the events and enjoying them.

[1721] I watched you fight Randy from, like, I think I was like six feet away.

[1722] I think I was like front row.

[1723] Back in the day, Josh Barnett.

[1724] Back in the fucking day, man. Baby faced assassin with less scars and a lot less gray hair.

[1725] Dude, I remember you fighting in Hawaii.

[1726] Yep, Super Bowl.

[1727] Yeah.

[1728] Dan Severn and that eight -man tournament that I won that had all those dudes in Abu Dhabi champion Rico Rodriguez and, John Marsh Travis Fulton I think he only had like 115 fights at that point How much does Travis have now?

[1729] Doesn't he have like 300 fights?

[1730] I don't know Something insane Jeremy Horn I always thought was insane because he had like 150 And then you find out about Travis Dan Severin's got like 100 Does he?

[1731] Yeah Like 100 victories Is he still fighting?

[1732] I don't think so He's been doing a little bit of pro wrestling but no fighting He had a very gray blurry line between fighting and pro wrestling To put it charitably There was like some there was a couple that people had called it into question a couple of dakata's in there yeah well it's amazing that he kept it up as long as he did but that was because of his solid wrestling you know well that he's just like a real serious competitor you know he had that competition streak that would allow him to continue to drive and and perform like that but as he got older you know the wrong matchups it could be a guy he'd never even heard of and it's like oh shit dance everyone just got shillacked yeah well when you look back at your initial fights in in MMA, like in Super Brawl, and then entering into the UFC, which was like, when was your first fight in the UFC, what year?

[1733] Uh, 2001.

[1734] Yeah, see, that was when I was...

[1735] Or 2000.

[1736] Not working with them yet.

[1737] That was when I quit.

[1738] Yeah.

[1739] Gamm -Magee.

[1740] And then UFC 30 was Pedro Hizzo.

[1741] 32 was Sem Schilt.

[1742] 34 was Bobby Hoffman.

[1743] You fought Pedro Hizzo when Pedro Hizzo was Pedro Hizzo.

[1744] Yep.

[1745] Dude, we showed a clip yesterday of Pedro Hizzo leg kicking some.

[1746] guy and making him fly through the air some journalist holds the pat on his leg and pedro legs kicks him and the guy's legs literally go upside down where his legs are above his head he goes flying he's such a cool dude man it's just like seeing him over over all the years training at his gym in in brazil when i was down there he came pick me up uh picked up me and and my accent we went out there trained with this guy master leital who is uh one of the was this before after your second fight uh after our second fight oh wow Yeah, we were down there, me and my ex, and we're down there to help corner Shana in her last fight in the UFC.

[1747] It was in Brazil against Nunes.

[1748] And while we're down there, it's like, hey, I still want to get in training.

[1749] And I want to train with all the Lute de Leverre, like, catch -derived guys that I can.

[1750] And so, yeah, we trained with Master Laital for a while, and Pedro just let us use his gym.

[1751] And we would sit there and talk, and I go, you know, one of the things about Pedro, I go, he taught me how to throw the counter right hand even better than.

[1752] than I'd ever known and that pivot step and they hit it from the other angle because he knocked me the fuck out with it and it was so beautiful in the replay.

[1753] I'm like, oh, I need to learn that.

[1754] I got to learn that.

[1755] That's too.

[1756] And Pedro would just laugh about it and he goes, oh, well, you know, you got me. I go, who gives his shit, man?

[1757] We were too busy having fun.

[1758] Would you caught him with a left hook, right?

[1759] I caught him with a counter -right hand.

[1760] Did you?

[1761] Over his jab and I saw him stumble a little bit and I charged forward and then with a running left hook, yeah.

[1762] Because I saw the window of opportunity to get to get in there.

[1763] I'd already stunned him.

[1764] And so to a degree, I'm like, thanks, Pedro.

[1765] Did he have the hardest leg kicks you've ever felt?

[1766] Crow cop.

[1767] Crow cop.

[1768] Really?

[1769] Yeah.

[1770] Wow.

[1771] That's crazy.

[1772] Well, I would imagine.

[1773] I mean, if anybody.

[1774] Here's just a crow cop story.

[1775] So it's me and Mirko and Eric Paulson and we're training in Vegas.

[1776] I think I don't know if I was doing commentary on that show.

[1777] if I was fighting, Pavel Natsulo.

[1778] Either way.

[1779] We're training at this gym in Vegas, and Miracle came out, so we're rolling around and training together and having a good time.

[1780] And I think I was fighting.

[1781] And so Paulson's holding pads for me, and Mirro's like, ah, do this with your left hook and said.

[1782] All right, how about, nah, it's not it.

[1783] Nah, no, no, no. Here, let me show you.

[1784] Here, you hold the pad.

[1785] So Paulson's got this full -on tie pad, leather tie pad, and he's holding it for Mirko's right hook since you know we're talking lead hook essentially right so mirro's like no i want you to do this you know you're doing it like x so i need you to do it like this so watch ah and he hits this he right hooks this pad this tie pad it goes it tears the straps off of paulson's arm and it goes flying across the room and hits the wall and bounces off the wall and falls on the fucking ground and everyone's just like and paulson's just his hand is still like this and he's his hand is still like this looks at me, and he looks at Mirko, and Mirko's just like, eh.

[1786] And I just, everybody's just, it's just silence.

[1787] Wham!

[1788] Flap!

[1789] B 'am!

[1790] I just went, see, I took that.

[1791] That's what I was getting hit with, and I still managed to stay on my feet, because I'm an idiot.

[1792] Yeah.

[1793] Jesus Christ.

[1794] I just remember thinking, how the fuck?

[1795] this guy is just at his best it's just absolute pure explosive power just destruction yeah well he broke bob sap's eyeball in a K1 fight remember that yeah dude he crushed people with those high kicks his middle kick was so dangerous to me his middle and his low kick were the most dangerous because I felt like you could you could see you could more read the high kick but if you read the high kick or if you were too two set up to defend the high kick if he ripped you in your body that's your ribs and we chopped that leg Heath Herring versus Crow Cop where Crow Cop's kicking him in the body and Crow Cop's shin is like halfway to his spine I think he it was only one kick too yeah one kick and it was like boom but it's when you see the penetration of that kick you realize like that's insane and he had a Taekwondo background that helped him to but you know a guy like that you could have him fucking You could have him doing anything, and he's just going to be a beast.

[1796] Well, he had just such ferocious, ferocious, explosive power.

[1797] I remember his stared down with Vandale?

[1798] Probably the best stared down of all time.

[1799] First time Vandale got outstared.

[1800] You know, Van der Leys like doing the crazy eyes, and Mercos just staring at him like a fucking evil predator.

[1801] The two of them looking at each other, I'm like, I've got to give that one to Krocop.

[1802] I can't even believe this.

[1803] Well, think about Krocop.

[1804] Kroko, that guy was in war.

[1805] Look at that kick.

[1806] Ugh.

[1807] Fuck.

[1808] Jesus Christ.

[1809] I mean, that is deep into his body and right, right where his liver is.

[1810] That's an insane power kick.

[1811] That's that left leg.

[1812] Yep, and he was the first one to flatline Vandale, too.

[1813] Remember that?

[1814] When he had kicked Vandalee?

[1815] Yeah, I especially do because I was watching that fight because my next, because I was going to go fight Nogera after that.

[1816] So I'm sitting here hoping that these guys beat the shit out of each other.

[1817] and he goes out there and just fucking crushes him.

[1818] So now I'm just sitting here and think, God damn it, that dude spent two minutes of beating the hell out of this guy.

[1819] And now I gotta go out and fight Nogera.

[1820] How crazy is the chin on Mark Hunt?

[1821] He gets fucking head kicked, full on.

[1822] He goes down and gets right back up.

[1823] Oh, Zinoviev.

[1824] Here's the Vandale one.

[1825] Klan.

[1826] Oh, yeah.

[1827] Ridiculous speed and power.

[1828] And because of the fact that he had that traditional martial arts background, He didn't step before he threw that kick a lot of times.

[1829] He just threw it, and you didn't see it coming.

[1830] That one just goes over the top of the glove.

[1831] And that's right leg.

[1832] Yeah.

[1833] That's right leg hospital, left leg cemetery.

[1834] Oh, body.

[1835] Yeah.

[1836] Dude.

[1837] Now, in that fight, I remember he hit Mark Hunt with it a couple times, but he just...

[1838] Well, he dropped him with it in one of the fights.

[1839] In K -1, yeah.

[1840] K -1 fight, yeah.

[1841] But not in the in the MMA fight, Mark Hunt actually won that one.

[1842] Yeah.

[1843] Oof.

[1844] Well, that was Minotaro took it on the chin.

[1845] It doesn't know a guy.

[1846] That Carwin?

[1847] No, wait, that's, uh, Ron Waterman.

[1848] Ron Waterman, there you go.

[1849] Bonk.

[1850] Boink.

[1851] Minotara was one of those guys.

[1852] It was almost like too tough for his own good when he was younger.

[1853] Well, that's why, ooh, axe kick.

[1854] That's why when he got towards the end of his career, he was just getting knocked out left and right.

[1855] Because he'd taken, he had lived on his chin for so long that he could no longer take a shot anymore.

[1856] And that's, honestly, it's not that uncommon.

[1857] And, oof, Fujita getting a need.

[1858] Yeah.

[1859] He's got a crazy highlight reel.

[1860] You forget sometimes how insane the highlight reel of Merco Krocop is.

[1861] Well, people in the, ooh, Alexander.

[1862] People in the UFC never really saw, they didn't see this guy.

[1863] No. You know what I mean?

[1864] No, he was in pride.

[1865] Well, I still maintain to this day that, like, pride was some of the most exciting and spectacular fights in the early days of MMA by far.

[1866] They had some insane matchups And especially because it was a big percentage of it It was the heavyweight division It was a huge percentage of what they were And the stage that they set for us to compete on was incredible 90 ,000 people, Saitana, Super Arena It was fighting in front of I mean I was fighting in front of people Like 40 ,000 people every time I went out there I just wish they could have maintained I loved it.

[1867] I was a fan of it When I was even working for the UFC I was always a big pride fan.

[1868] I'm like, look It's room for everybody Of course.

[1869] You know, and the thing is, people that were, by having pride, it opened up eyes.

[1870] I would always say, like, having another company with a different flavor, maybe it'll draw in other fans that wouldn't maybe necessarily be a fan of the UFC, but they liked the way that Pride did it.

[1871] And so that would get them interested in MMA, and therefore, then they might also, say, okay, well, maybe I will give this UFC stuff a try.

[1872] Maybe, well, I like this one fighter, so I'll watch when he's on.

[1873] You know, it just, it expands the market.

[1874] It doesn't diminish it.

[1875] I think that's the same thing with Bellator.

[1876] Yeah.

[1877] I really do.

[1878] I mean, I think that what's good about Bellator is that they're developing real world -class talent now.

[1879] Michael Chandler, you know, Michael Venom Page, now Rory's over there.

[1880] I mean, there's world -class talent there.

[1881] This is true.

[1882] And, you know, you had Mitreone fight Fior, which, you know, crazy match.

[1883] You had double knockdown.

[1884] That was nuts.

[1885] It's crazy.

[1886] crazy thing you can't plan for?

[1887] So a guy like Fadour, when you see him at this stage of his life and you see him getting caoed again, what are your thoughts on that when you watch that?

[1888] It sucks to see that that's the case.

[1889] I mean, I love Matt Mitreone, too, man. He's a great dude.

[1890] I train him when I can, and I was glad to see him, you know, get that victory.

[1891] It's a massive victory for him.

[1892] As was I. But I'm a friend, and I have been a friend of Fioters for such a long time.

[1893] It sucks to see him not doing well.

[1894] You even saying his name right.

[1895] It's a big commitment.

[1896] Yeah, it's like Dostoyoski.

[1897] Everybody else says Fador.

[1898] Yeah, yeah.

[1899] But you gotta get fancy on us.

[1900] Right, like Dostoevsky.

[1901] It's Fyodor, Dostoevsky, not Fedor.

[1902] Well, what does everybody say instead of Dostoevsky?

[1903] I think they just don't say anything.

[1904] They're like the D .D. What's the correct pronunciation?

[1905] Dos Dostoyoski?

[1906] Dostoyoski.

[1907] Dostoyoski.

[1908] It's a weird.

[1909] How languages like develop, like they're totally different kind of sounds.

[1910] Like, you know, English has certain sounds.

[1911] Russian has these, like, very specific noises that you have to turn.

[1912] And then you go to, like, tonal languages, like Thai or Vietnamese.

[1913] Oh, man. Or Chinese.

[1914] Oh, yeah.

[1915] So interesting.

[1916] You know, and Steve Ronella, again, was here, and he had been in Guyana.

[1917] And they had these interviews they did with these local people that were speaking in their native tongue.

[1918] And it's like this really strange, ancient language.

[1919] It doesn't sound like anything else.

[1920] It's really cool to hear.

[1921] It's like, wow, this might be like what Mayans sounded like.

[1922] Huh.

[1923] Yeah, really freaky.

[1924] When I was in Romania, they were some of the, I don't know the truth on this stuff.

[1925] I haven't done the research.

[1926] So up to your listeners to go follow up.

[1927] That they were saying, the Romanians has said that they have found texts and archaeological findings that would show a language that was not a romance language.

[1928] language that still possessed words that existed in modern day Romanian, and that the idea that perhaps the Romanian language was older than Latin.

[1929] Whoa.

[1930] But they also had the, also went to the palace of Vlad the Impaler in the middle of Bucharest, which was awesome.

[1931] Oh, wow.

[1932] You got to see that guy's house?

[1933] Yeah.

[1934] What the fuck.

[1935] It's all dug underground in certain, so that, you know, keep it cool.

[1936] For people on who Vlad the Impaler was, he was a guy who literally would put people on sticks and then eat in front of them.

[1937] He would stick sticks through their assholes, put them on spikes, out their mouth, and then have them all lined up around him while he sat down at eight.

[1938] He also took the merchants or these guys that he felt had been cheating and scamming the Wallachian area that he was.

[1939] in in Romania, Wallachia, the people, and really getting super rich off their backs in a way that they, you know, didn't have an option.

[1940] And so he went and grabbed them, them and their kids and would have them build, they were building the steps up to this, to his, to this castle or whatever.

[1941] And if the, if the dad died, they would just take the kid and put him in his place.

[1942] And it's like, this is going to get, until this is completely done, you know, your debt still exists.

[1943] Whoa, Jesus Christ Brutal dude, brutal times That's the guy that Mary Shelley No, Mary Shelley was Frankenstein Mary Shelley was Frankenstein But what's the fucks his name He wrote Bram Stoker Bram Stoker Yeah he kind of based it A lot of it Some of that, yeah yeah Well and also like the Strigoi Which is an undead creature in In Romania Which is actually a really pretty funny Romanian movie called Sturgoi Which is like a it's a comedy horror thing Really?

[1944] Yeah Yeah, yeah That's the name they use in that TV show too the strain.

[1945] Oh, really?

[1946] They use that term a lot.

[1947] Have you seen that show?

[1948] No, I don't have cable or anything like that.

[1949] I, in fact, since I moved out, I haven't into my own place.

[1950] I hadn't had time to really set up my TV and all that kind of shit.

[1951] So you're just living like a wild person?

[1952] Kind of, yeah, yeah.

[1953] You got email, though, right?

[1954] I have email.

[1955] I have internet.

[1956] I have my laptop, so I'm...

[1957] Do you watch Netflix, like on the laptop?

[1958] Still watch, like, documentaries or something?

[1959] I don't.

[1960] You don't?

[1961] Because I'm always out and about.

[1962] I just got back from Seattle.

[1963] I was in Vegas helping Travis and with my fighter Shohei.

[1964] Then I had to go to the fights for my guys Shohei and AJ.

[1965] They both fought on that night and corner them.

[1966] Shit, when I went to Japan and pro -restled in June, but I was also there again in March.

[1967] So you're just a rambling, man. Basically, after the dissolution of all that.

[1968] that I had been putting all my efforts into for four years.

[1969] I think we got past that.

[1970] Right, I think we moved through that.

[1971] I feel very therapeutic.

[1972] Well, here's the thing.

[1973] It's just like, all right, no matter what, you know, I still have a lot of it anymore.

[1974] We're not.

[1975] We're not.

[1976] We're just saying that, that, you know, it's just like moving into, you know, I had all these things that I was trying to accomplish.

[1977] And so it's just like, all right, well, since I'm not putting energies in these areas, then I'm going to take that energy and put it somewhere.

[1978] else i'm going to make make use of it you know that's good don't get depressed and sit around and get bummed out at life no well take your own advice there's lots of shit to get bummed out about not even beyond even that thing that we're not talking about it's just still doing your podcast i wish what happened uh i hate to say it but fox really dropped the ball big time on it and the people that were working on the podcast uh just completely shit to bed to the point of like I had Hanato and Scotty Epstein on, and we're sitting there 15 minutes before we're going to go on, just chatting, whatever.

[1979] And then it's like, all right, guys, where we're going to go?

[1980] We're going to film now, all right?

[1981] One of three, two.

[1982] All right, boom, do our thing.

[1983] Nobody even pays attention to look at the front of the footage and cut it from what's not supposed to be aired.

[1984] And then they just throw it up there raw.

[1985] So Rassan, Hanato is being Rassan.

[1986] And we're all doing our stuff.

[1987] And then I get this email, and Rasson, like, do what the fuck dude you know I'm like I do a character and I go what are you talking about I go look at it didn't edit it didn't edit it all didn't edit it all and there was stuff like hey I know you're going to be on vacation but I'm going to do a on location interview with this bang odor I'm going to get it all I'll get all the MP I'll just send it to you can someone edit it oh I'm off on vacation I can't help to put their fucking nobody there there's zero there's no one so then I had to go and reach out to another friend and be like hey man you have some time to fucking chop this up for me and just make a few edits yeah yeah i can do that and then you know put that up and then it was another thing like okay well hey guys if i'm gonna do this podcast i want to have music in it i want to have bands that i know and love and whatever i want to play their music you have rights for their music that's a nightmare right well so i said do you have some legal forms that we can put together some boiler plates that we can do and and have this happen oh we don't need that you don't need that it's no big okay so i go and i get the management the artist everybody's on board who is this person that said that this is okay this guy is a young guy that worked there there was you not know anything was you like a tech guy i'm not going to throw anybody's names out there but there there were these two dudes there was one guy that was like he was a part of the head of the division or whatever the landscape has changed in there and then there was another dude that was a producer of sorts who i got along with great but when it came to getting it all done obviously fucking it didn't work but the guy that was above him was unable to take blame for anything and uh and own up to any like fuck -ups and so it wasn't like i was asking for much from i'm just like well tell me what we're dealing with here so i can know how to appropriately you know react and then you know getting this this whole okay about music so all right so i go and i do all the legwork get everybody to agree have my guest on we play some music to start it off we play music you know while they're there while he's there and I'm being an asshole moshing around the room having fun you're joking around and then I watched the video of it and it's like silence the fuck I look I'm just stomping around a room to silence what the hell's going on oh yeah legal wouldn't clear the music like well why the fuck are we dealing with this now when I asked you before we even did podcast one the before we did the first episode why did we not get that out of the way because you told me we didn't need it it's just like shit like that and so we're now like look we're not even doing it for money right now we're just doing it to to establish a relationship and this is already going to stop you let me stop you why do you why are you doing it with a person like a network why do you do it with fox because they came to me but you could do it on your own they came to me listen all you need is that phone right there and a fucking a microphone that plugs into it it's like they have these things like here's i use this one for a podcast that i did recently it is not an endorsement i'm just uh for anybody who's uh listening to this is not It's simple.

[1988] This microphone right here, no endorsement.

[1989] I have to say the name of it, but, okay, it's a blue, right?

[1990] Okay.

[1991] This microphone works on a cord that plugs directly into your phone.

[1992] You set that bitch up like that.

[1993] You stick this in, bang, stick that in your phone, press record.

[1994] It's that simple.

[1995] And I've done actual podcast that millions of people listen to with this thing that sits in my hand.

[1996] I close that bitch up like that, put it back in this little bag, stick it in my laptop, take it anywhere you go.

[1997] it works on USB it takes no energy super easy to do and then you just have to upload that somewhere and you could you could figure out how to edit simple stuff like that audio stuff you're not talking about like making records you're talking about editing a simple audio file you can figure out how to do that on your own well and and I hear you there I also realized that you know for me doing a podcast mean it meant it had to be like the amount of effort I was going to put into it was going to be equal to what kind of product I wanted so I started Yeah, but don't get confused about this.

[1998] Right, no, I hear you there.

[1999] I hear you there.

[2000] The effort is in your mind and in your thoughts and what you're trying to put out there.

[2001] And that's, you're really good at that, is what I'm saying that.

[2002] You don't need some network.

[2003] You just need an account with like Libson or one of these podcast hosts.

[2004] They upload it to iTunes.

[2005] That's it.

[2006] You're done.

[2007] You know, people find out about it.

[2008] They like it.

[2009] They get addicted to it.

[2010] They start downloading more and more.

[2011] You know, I mean, you're really good at this.

[2012] So to get connected to something like Fox and have someone who's non -motivated.

[2013] Sure.

[2014] Well, they came to me and it sounded like, all right, well, we could probably monetize this in some way.

[2015] Was this during the Fighter and the Kid days?

[2016] Early, early.

[2017] Yeah.

[2018] See, they thought that they were doing something.

[2019] And then now they've completely changed their tune.

[2020] They've decided to the only people that they're investing their time in now are people that they have exclusive relationships with.

[2021] Their thoughts about the fighter and the kid were, and Brendan shared them with me, some article that they were talking about him in, where the fighter and the kid, they feel like rode on the Fox name and then became really.

[2022] really popular and then made it.

[2023] It's a delusional perspective.

[2024] Sure.

[2025] I mean, they don't understand what happened.

[2026] What happened is there's an entertaining show and two guys are really good and then another entertaining show like mine has them on and then millions of people find out about it.

[2027] And then they go on other entertaining shows like whether it is fucking Jason Ellis or whether it's whatever they're doing.

[2028] Yeah.

[2029] And then this buildup, the same thing that happened to Tom Segura and Christina Positsky and Burt Kreischer and all these popular podcasts, people find out about them and they're good.

[2030] It has nothing to do with Fox.

[2031] Zero.

[2032] All they did was hosted.

[2033] At the end of the day, I mean, Fox isn't the one that has the ideas, Fox isn't the one cracking the jokes, telling the stories, or recently.

[2034] Doesn't hurt, doesn't hurt being connected to Fox.

[2035] Of course not.

[2036] It's definitely legitimate.

[2037] Right.

[2038] It's not what they think it is.

[2039] And I even said stuff like, hey, I want to have whatever I want on this podcast.

[2040] No problem.

[2041] I go, no, no. I want to have whatever I want on this pot.

[2042] I want to talk about anything.

[2043] No problem.

[2044] This episode.

[2045] Pussy Farts with Josh Barnett.

[2046] Pussy Farts with Josh Barnett.

[2047] If that's, you know, where we wanted to go with it.

[2048] But one of the things I said to him, I go, hey, I want to talk about the fucking insane Nazi occult division.

[2049] I want to talk about all that crazy shit that they did.

[2050] And I found this guy who's an expert.

[2051] And we could talk about all the weird stuff.

[2052] Occult division?

[2053] Yeah, they had an occult division.

[2054] Who's day?

[2055] The Nazis.

[2056] Oh, okay.

[2057] You said at extreme.

[2058] Nazi cult.

[2059] No, no, no, I said the extreme crazy shit of the Nazi occult division, how they would go around trying to find the Spear of Destiny or the Ark of the Covenant and all these.

[2060] Right.

[2061] I mean, that's why we have Raiders of the Lost Dark and all the really cool movies.

[2062] Who'd you have on to talk about that?

[2063] I didn't because I go, I'm going to bring this guy on to talk about this stuff and they're like, can't have Nazis on.

[2064] I go, I don't, no, no, I'm not, I'm not, I don't want, I'm not talking about Nazis.

[2065] I'm not, this isn't, he isn't a Nazi.

[2066] I'm talking about history.

[2067] Like, you couldn't have a history professor, maybe wrote a book on Hitler?

[2068] come on and talk about Nazis?

[2069] Oh, yeah.

[2070] So you don't need them.

[2071] Exactly.

[2072] Well, this was years ago.

[2073] And so after that was like, all this stuff was adding up, and I'm like, fuck, man, this sucks.

[2074] It's not even their fault, man. They're stuck in this old way.

[2075] And they think this old, which works for television shows.

[2076] Their old way works great for television shows.

[2077] They control the advertising.

[2078] They secure the talent.

[2079] I don't know how much was Fox itself.

[2080] I don't know if, like, the machine Fox was really paying that much attention.

[2081] I think it was really just the main dude who was above, who was in charge of this shit who was fucking it up and didn't want to put the effort in and didn't want to, you know, it got to the point from the last podcast I did they didn't even put the video portion up it took them weeks to, it's just like, wow, okay, I guess.

[2082] So you don't have any contract with them?

[2083] None, I never did.

[2084] Do it on your own.

[2085] Yeah, I could still, people still hit me up and go, hey, we'd like you, we'd love it if you do a podcast again.

[2086] I'm just like, ah, just do it.

[2087] Just do it Dude, you're really good at this It's easy for you People are gonna get mad of me They're like god damn it Joe Rogan you always trying to get people To do podcasts I would listen to your podcast If you had a podcast I'd listen to it That's all I'm saying too I have lots of things to talk about But I do like to talk to a broad variety of people I love the fact that you're bringing on guys Like Jordan Peterson or Sam Harris Or God sod You know the interesting guys to talk about interesting stuff.

[2088] I'm trying to balance it out as much as possible.

[2089] Or even the fact that's getting into scraps with Crowder over here, which I'm like, oh, that's hilarious.

[2090] Yeah, I like Crowder.

[2091] I mean, I think some of his ideas are silly.

[2092] I see him as like an aggregator or aggravator, just kind of like Milo.

[2093] Like Milo might say something interesting, but then he's couched all of this stuff and trying to like create shit with people.

[2094] That's part of how they get a lot of attention and popularity.

[2095] But I think he puts out funny stuff too, man. He did some funny things where he, uh, he's done a bunch of like funny sketches where he, goes undercover as different people is this like communist um uh french character that he goes undercover as and no no no crowder does crowder does a lot of funny shit people that get mad at me for saying that he's funny i think he's funny i think he does some funny shit he's uh he's done some really hilarious social justice warrior things where he uh he showed up at like some well he definitely dressed as a trans person for a while i was trying to like push the boundaries of what like when can you decide that you're transition how do you know whether not someone has decided that they're transitioning or whether or not they're hoaxing you like who are you to say with that I'm not really trans like so he went to like one of those uh all women's gyms and said that he was trans and then they let him in at first and then after a while they're like what the fuck you know and they kicked him out I don't think he was an all women's gym in fact I think he just went to a gym that said that they accept trans people and then when he went in he wanted to shower in the women's room but he was like you know had like a fucking five o 'clock shadow right so the idea is like it's a sincerity of it is almost what that comes down to like well you're not sincere about being trans so is that what it comes but he's pointing out like how crazy these lines are right and like where are they whether or not you agree that people should be able to do whatever they want to which i do me too there is a real hysteria involved in this there's something very odd about these arbitrary lines where we We had a guy that we were watching a videotape yesterday who identifies as a six -year -old girl.

[2096] Oh, the German guy?

[2097] No, he's, is he German?

[2098] He's definitely foreign, right?

[2099] It was all in subtitles.

[2100] He had a wife and kids and all that.

[2101] And then he's like, I'm a six -year -old girl.

[2102] Like, what the fuck?

[2103] But you have to include that.

[2104] So then it's because, then it gets to, well, can you be transracial?

[2105] Can you be like Rachel Dolazel?

[2106] Is that okay?

[2107] Right.

[2108] Can you?

[2109] I don't know.

[2110] Why not?

[2111] Look, everybody came from Africa originally.

[2112] If you identify more with African -Americans, then you do with like say polish americans why not but that i don't well ben shapiro's argued that that's less preposterous than changing your gender and that like why can't you do that if you can change your gender like what what he's an interesting one because i like how hardcore and how like straight to the point he brings great arguments very smart guy but i can tell that he's that dude that just fucking he just he doesn't hardly get along probably with anyone he just got when he's decided well one of those one of those personalities is just not good at socializing and Anyway, like, he's, it's very rigid.

[2113] Just like, eh, nah, but very smart.

[2114] Yeah, he seems like a total little prick.

[2115] Yeah.

[2116] But an all right, dude, in his own way, I guess.

[2117] And you know, what's funny is it's, I always, I'll talk to people about, you know, left, leftism versus rightism.

[2118] I'm like, well, you know, it's pretty easy most of the time to look at the right when they're being idiotic because it's so preposterous, like, you know, theologically based arguments or, you know, if you're going to, I mean, that's really what it comes to stuff.

[2119] like that or like how they will take this whole stance of like no you just you get what you can get but if you fucking fuck up fuck you you know like these really extreme conservative arguments usually just are like well that's non -compassionate yeah I know you know it's but then you go to the left and it's like everything is couched in this like oh no no no no no we're good this is all for the good look at how nice we're being like well you're just as fascist as this other guy but you you couch it into under a different thing you do things like use postmodernist uh philosophical arguments to then take the word racism and redefine it so that it works for your benefit and then it only works against black people it doesn't work against white people or something like that you want against white people yeah people get weird with their arguments and it ultimately becomes about control sure of course and it's creating power it's creating power for a person uh to to to affect that against someone else is in creating or it's also uh creating moral high ground yeah so you can feel as if that you're in the right to say this or that and because you are supported by all these other people around you yeah i try to balance it out i should say but people get mad at me when i have too many right wing people on in a row they start thinking i've been accused of being like fox news i'm like come on man i have lefties on all the time you're just not paying attention whether it's julie kedsy or abby martin or uh what is it pete holmes is a super super lefty jud Apatow's a super lefty he was on last week.

[2120] I try to have as many lefties on as possible, but they don't get mad at that.

[2121] They only get mad when I have like super righties on.

[2122] When I have super righties on, then they're like, oh, your show's like Fox News.

[2123] Well, culturally, you know, it's just like, well, we can, this, this argument will listen to, but not this one.

[2124] Of course.

[2125] But at the end of the day, what really sucks is that when it came to, you know, in such a, I had gotten so into politics because of my living situation, as I'm looking at all this stuff, trying to understand the currents of what's going on, I'd find I'd have to go read like the most crazy leftist stuff and then I'd have to go find some gnarly alt -right garbage and have to go there and read all these preposterous arguments, racist, shitty arguments on both sides, just ridiculous stuff to them.

[2126] Because even amongst some crazy racist or some crazy, you know, communists, either way, there's going to be some truth there that they figure is useful to their argument that may be different from the other.

[2127] But it still doesn't change it from being true.

[2128] It's like the truth doesn't change from place to place.

[2129] You can't change it anymore and you can salt salt, said by Cormac McCarthy.

[2130] And it's like, well, I have to now go outside of this because I can't find any one news source that's going to be completely honest with me. So then I have to look at all these places and then try to piece this whole story together based on what truth I can find.

[2131] And honestly, it got to be so tiring and reading just crazy shit on each side and having to, it's just like, well, some of this stuff is just so fucking fucked up.

[2132] And it's not like I needed a trigger warning or something like that, but it just gets tiring.

[2133] It also think like people coming up with like racial IQ things trying to create some idea there.

[2134] And I'm like, oh, fuck, man. This is, people believe this.

[2135] It's like trying to, navigate flat earth shit and stuff like that and go come on I hear it the first time I read it I'm like okay yeah whatever you just don't get it but then when I see that there's even some small amount of traction it's just fucking disappointing it's very disappointing yeah well it's too easy to get by today and there's a lot of dummies that have gotten by that's right that's one of my arguments is that this is the softest easiest fucking way of living we have ever had now I understand there are difficulties but our difficult even our poor are still more wealthy than like the 90 % of the world or something like that It's crazy.

[2136] Yeah, if you make more than $34 ,000 a year, you are in the top 1 % of the world.

[2137] Yeah.

[2138] And we don't see it that way.

[2139] No. You know, we're too busy thinking about what we don't have or what we should have or how we deserve more than this person or that person or how, you know, if you want to argue about the difficulty it is to buy a home nowadays, I'm totally willing to listen.

[2140] If you want to argue about the shady aspects of banks, I'm there with the.

[2141] You know what I mean?

[2142] Yeah.

[2143] But if you just want to start trying to cut me down into some specific class and to minimize me and then devalue my opinion or who I am, it's just like, I'm not going to, I understand the biological potential for tribalism and the fear of the thing that is the unknown being maybe too much of a risk.

[2144] So if you look at wild animals, they don't really get into fights all that much if they can help it.

[2145] because the risk of being injured, maimed, or dead, potentially, is just too much.

[2146] So most of the time they get into their little scraps and they disperse, right?

[2147] And if you're a full -on alpha, you normally don't get into any fucking fights whatsoever.

[2148] It's the beta is always trying to, like, peck their way up and maybe eventually find an alpha that's, that they might perceive having a weakness.

[2149] But once they finally get to that point that they're going to really fucking full -on fight, it means everything because everything is at risk.

[2150] Well, you know, you look at some cave people.

[2151] It was probably the same way.

[2152] The first time, you know, one group sees someone that looks completely different from them.

[2153] They're like, oh, what the fuck is that?

[2154] Can I risk it?

[2155] Is it going to destroy my community?

[2156] Is it going to be damaging to it?

[2157] You know, it's like caveman shit because they don't understand until somebody creates an understanding.

[2158] But it's very hard for people to accept other people's ideas.

[2159] Of course.

[2160] Your ideas are different and then their ideas.

[2161] They're scared.

[2162] You want their ideas to align with yours.

[2163] And in the case, what we're talking about with a lot of these people, they're trying to enforce their ideas on other people.

[2164] You will now obey and go along with my standards of behavior and thought.

[2165] It's insecurity and it's fear.

[2166] But to me, I'm like, okay, I can understand that on that base element, but we have the ability to overcome that, to be greater than that, to be better than that, to not sit there and value people on all these surface -level shit.

[2167] You know, I mean, you can stereotype things all you want and be like, oh, well, this looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, and this looks like a goose and honks like a whatever fine but if you try to continue to keep people in these places you're you're diminishing who they are you're also you're creating this this element of prejudice you're creating those barriers for for that to not for that interaction to not happen you're the one that that's helping create that that tribalistic element and so as you continue to whittle these people down to more and more groups but you know we're with the, now when you couch that in with this neo -Marxist elements, it's like, well, now you need, the more tinier the group you get, the more you get to be oppressed, the more you're a victim of something.

[2168] And so, you also become, it's a good market share and being a victim.

[2169] We got to get out of here, man. I got to end this.

[2170] Josh Barnett.

[2171] So what's the future right now?

[2172] No fights scheduled?

[2173] No fights?

[2174] I have to, uh, actually, I'm still dealing with my USADA stuff, we have, to my understanding of my management's saying, is that USADA to completely satisfied with understanding that the supplement that I took was tainted.

[2175] And they even went out, and after they tested the one that I gave them, they went out and bought a whole brand new bottle, unopened, tested that one, again, laced with the same shit.

[2176] And they had already, you know, they had tested me not even that much in between, or they had testing me in between, or there was barely any time in between tests anyways.

[2177] So my manager's telling me that the guy at the lab is going, well, this is such a negligible amount that it looks like you've been, whatever you took was tainted in the first place.

[2178] So, because there's no reason why a guy your size would even bother to have such a negligible amount of whatever this shit is in your system.

[2179] And I'm like, especially since, to explain that, between the last test and this test, There's, you would have, it would be such a small amount.

[2180] Right.

[2181] that there's no way that you were on something and you cycled off exactly it didn't make any sense so how long do they have you suspended till I don't know the thing is is that we've gone through I've spent like two grand having supplements tested because I would keep bits of everything that I would take just in case and keep them around and uh Jesus Christ well it's you know and I this was a brand I'd taken before this was a supplement that had been an ingredient and other stuff that I've never had a problem with you know I always would check everything against that global dro thing.

[2182] I would do all their steps about cross -reference this, that, and the other.

[2183] Always okay, you know, making sure that I'm always on towing, or not towing the line, but being up front on this and doing what they said to.

[2184] And then, you know, all right, so I got some bullshit and something I didn't expect.

[2185] So, all right, we go, we test it.

[2186] They go and they back their findings up with a completely brand new bottle and batch that matches the one that I have.

[2187] And they still haven't acted on that.

[2188] And now I'm still waiting, but I'm still suspended, but I don't understand, you know, what more could I do?

[2189] Right.

[2190] You know what I mean?

[2191] Right.

[2192] All right, dude.

[2193] Josh L. Barnett on Twitter.

[2194] And Instagram.

[2195] Thanks, brother.

[2196] This was fun.

[2197] I always been here.

[2198] You're going to do another podcast.

[2199] You're going to start at the War Machine Chronicles.

[2200] War Machine.

[2201] Coming soon.

[2202] I mean, War Machine.

[2203] I say that?

[2204] I didn't mean Warmaster.

[2205] I mean, Warmaster.

[2206] It's just war and M. They just flow together so well.

[2207] Fucked up the end of the podcast, ladies and gentlemen.

[2208] Called me War Machine.

[2209] What a major bummer, war master.

[2210] You've ever had a couple other nicknames, haven't you?

[2211] Babyface Assassin.

[2212] What was the other one?

[2213] Philadelphia Jailbird.

[2214] Josh Barnett, ladies and gentlemen.

[2215] War Machine.

[2216] What a faux pot.

[2217] That fucking shit.