JRE MMA Show #90 with Rashad Evans

[0] Three, two, one.

[1] You can tell a lot about a man, whether or not he's one of those dudes that has one of wallet phone cases.

[2] Rashad Evans, you're a wallet phone case guy.

[3] You pack it all into one package.

[4] You know what?

[5] I wasn't always a wallet phone case guy.

[6] It's kind of something that just, you know, I kind of evolved into.

[7] I was the one that was carrying around the man purse.

[8] The man purse for a while.

[9] And after a while, I kind of transitioned to just the wallet case.

[10] That's a lot of work.

[11] Look how thick that sucker is.

[12] It's like a Costanza.

[13] Look at that thing.

[14] I know.

[15] That thing's giant.

[16] Every single time I clean it out, I tell myself I'm not going to put any more cards in there except for the ones I need.

[17] But it just attracts the card.

[18] Yeah, that's a problem.

[19] I have one of those ridge wallets.

[20] You know what those are?

[21] Yeah.

[22] Those are the shit because you can't really get much in there.

[23] I get like a credit card or two and my license.

[24] See, that's what I need.

[25] I need to have that discipline where there's nothing else to carry but what I have to carry.

[26] And it's got a little money clip on it.

[27] So I'll shove a couple bills in there, and that's it.

[28] I go out like that.

[29] That's what I need.

[30] That's what you need.

[31] Front pocket.

[32] All this nonsense.

[33] That's so thick.

[34] It's thick.

[35] You might as well go back to the man purse.

[36] But you know what?

[37] You might as well get a backpack or a fanny pack.

[38] I'll send you one of these.

[39] I just sent two to Stepe Miochich.

[40] Those look all right, though.

[41] That's pretty dope, right?

[42] Yeah, it is pretty dope.

[43] That's my own company.

[44] Well, we don't make them.

[45] We buy them from roots and we put our stamp on it.

[46] Yeah, leather, right?

[47] You might want to go on for you.

[48] Yeah, I do.

[49] Right, yeah, you're a bold man. You can wear a fanny pack.

[50] Yeah.

[51] You know what?

[52] I was rocking a man purse before anybody else is wearing it.

[53] I mean, out in America, out in Europe they were doing it a long time ago.

[54] But in America, I was like one of the, I was a trailblazer I like to say, at least among my friends.

[55] It is a weird thing, right?

[56] Like, guys are not supposed to wear bags.

[57] But women have, like, fucking all these different brands of bags they carry around, fendi and Gucci and this and that makes you look like you special.

[58] because you got some fancy bag.

[59] And carrying a bag actually helped me be more prepared than ever because, I mean, I would always be, one of them's dudes, can't carry enough stuff, and I always become things wishing I had things that I didn't have.

[60] And I'm like, you know what?

[61] The bag worked.

[62] But why is it that we're afraid to carry a bag?

[63] Like, a guy can carry a backpack.

[64] Backpack's fine.

[65] I guess you got shit to do.

[66] You got a backpack.

[67] You're fucking serious.

[68] All right?

[69] It's got two straps.

[70] Right, right.

[71] But one strap.

[72] Like, man, what's really?

[73] wrong with you i think it's because you have to to do the the the feminine hold at times with the one strap yeah and i can but dudes do all the shoulder so you don't have to do that then you're like it's it's a satchel then it's man then it's manly then it's very strange right how a bag became manly or not manly based on the amount of straps sit down line yeah and then for women it's like it's like a status symbol like what kind of bag they're carrying out nobody gives a fuck what kind of backpack you have right right if a dude has a nice backpack no one's like bro where'd you get where'd you get the backpack you know I mean you got a nice fanny pack fandy pack sort of not really it doesn't get the respect it deserves fanning it sticks out the people like okay he's got enough balls to carry fanny pack yes there's a little bit of that a little bit of that you know a little bit I don't give a fuck I seen the fanny pack carried where it's across the show or that looks kind of weak people weak people you don't think it's got no they're scared to rock a real fanny pack Like with the waist They're cowards They're cowards They're cowards They're cowards They don't want anybody Calling them out I'm wearing a fanny pack So no no no It's a shoulder bag It's not a shoulder bag It's a fat man's fanny pack You're wearing it over your shoulders That's what it is They're wearing In a way you're not supposed to wear it It's like if you wore a backpack Around your waist People would be like What the fuck are you doing It's not a backpack It's wrapped around your waist What do you do But I mean You think that Karen Here you have everything you want Like right here What about right here man you don't even have to lift your hands up you're like that they're right in there yeah you know what i guess i'm just trying to i guess i'm trying to just wear like say how i think i would wear that one but you're kind of convinced me joe that maybe the front the front carry might be the it's the way to go the only issue is girls won't fuck you some girls some girls like you wear a fandy pack you look that's it see i'm married anyway so i'm good now perfect yeah i'm good yeah every married man like myself Every marriage I have a fucking fanny pack It's deterrent Pussy deterrence It's a little bit of that But it's also Fuck you That's what it says Fuck you I carry my own shit Right there Keep my shit right there That's hilarious Keep it together Keep it together And then you also have this crazy green drink That you were telling me about Yeah yeah yeah So this right here is Sparina Ever since I changed my diet up I need to have a couple of these Every single day And it makes me feel good You know Yeah I don't eat meat anymore so I know you're a big meat yeah do you eat fish or any of that no nothing all vegan all vegan when did you become vegan uh probably about man I want to say probably about almost two years now really yeah almost two years now like it I love it really it's changed my life man it's been it's been one of the things I can honestly say that's just revolutionize my my complete everything it's it's it's been everything that that's um lately that has you know changed me from a mental standpoint, physical standpoint, and even a spiritual standpoint.

[74] I definitely think it changes the mind because this all meat diet that I've been on, that changes your mind the other way.

[75] It makes you more aggressive.

[76] Yeah, too much so.

[77] Yeah, I have to work out extra to keep the demons at bay.

[78] It's the blood.

[79] It is.

[80] It's that.

[81] It's also like, if you think about it, if your body thinks, okay, I have to eat animals all the time because all this motherfucker eats as animals, right?

[82] Right.

[83] If your body thinks that, your body's going to sort of take on the characteristics of something that's a predator, right?

[84] You would become more, I mean, this is obviously like some bullshit bro psychology because I'm a moron, but I would say your body is going to think I'm more aggressive.

[85] I have to chase shit down and kill it.

[86] Yeah.

[87] That's, that's, you have to be more predatory.

[88] But your body has to think that way.

[89] I can get with that.

[90] It makes sense, though.

[91] It makes sense.

[92] Did you do it right after you retired?

[93] Um, you know, I kind of, not right after I retired.

[94] It was kind of something that kind of just happened.

[95] Like I, ever since I, like, because I do mushrooms, right?

[96] Uh -oh.

[97] Yeah, yeah.

[98] So it was, it was when I did a, like when I had a really, really deep trip that just caused me to have one of those ego deaths.

[99] And when I had the ego death, I was like in a state where this knowingness was coming to me. And it was like, you know, I was like, it was.

[100] all day.

[101] I did a mushroom ceremony and it was all day and I was just out in the sun and just you know in my own mind and then I was smelling real bad and then I smell myself and you know you catch a smell of yourself and I was like oh my god I stink and then the knowingness said like you stink because you eat dead rotting flesh and it said if you want to eat if you want life then that's what this knowingness said to me and then I was like that's a strange thought to just come into my mind like that and then after that no kidding like i just lost my taste for meat it just and i used to eat all kinds of meat i would eat i would eat pork and and i was you know big into pork and big into like all kinds of meat and i was never one of those diet guys at all but after that happened to me after i had that experience it was just like one of those things that um that i just couldn't help but go into like i just lost the taste for me one trip yeah i mean I mean, well, it was, well, it kind of started when I, like, about eight months before that, I did the Toad.

[102] And then the Toad was one that, that really was the catalyst for everything.

[103] There's a lot of people listening to go, what the fuck is he saying?

[104] You did The Toad?

[105] Yeah, yeah.

[106] So, five MEODMT, which is the Toad.

[107] And the Toad was one that was, I guess, the catalyst of busting that gate open.

[108] That's a crazy psychedelic.

[109] That's a very underrated psychedelic.

[110] Oh, my God.

[111] That will...

[112] Yeah.

[113] That's the first really...

[114] I had done mushrooms before, but I did a fairly small dose.

[115] I mean, fairly small in that I could walk around.

[116] I was pretty whacked out, but I could walk around a couple grams.

[117] But the 5MEO DMT was the first one where I just ceased to exist.

[118] I just stopped, and it made me really aware of ego, really aware of like, even the way I expressed myself, the way I would frame sentences and say things.

[119] I was just, I was trying to sound cool or I was trying to portray something in a way, like not just trying to portray the information, but trying to impress people.

[120] And it made me like feel real gross.

[121] Yeah, well, that's the thing.

[122] Like when I had my five MEO experience, it was, man, I just never, I never thought that consciousness could be so vast and so big, you know, when I, when you, when you have that experience with the five MEO, it just like, it made this consciousness make, look as if like it was a drop in a bucket, you know, just like a little drop in.

[123] I got to experience the ocean of consciousness.

[124] And that right there was, it was the most humbling experience I ever had, you know, just to feel my ego, who I thought I was, what I thought I was, completely.

[125] just annihilated and to feel what I actually was, you know, it was, it was crazy.

[126] Yeah, I feel like regular consciousness that most of us exist in most of the time is a veneer.

[127] It's a very thin veneer.

[128] And through some things, you get a taste of what's under the surface through meditation and yoga and all these different methods that people use, holotropic breathing.

[129] You get a taste of what's underneath the surface.

[130] Kundalini yoga apparently.

[131] Kundalini yoga apparently, I've never really done.

[132] it but some people say you could really trip out if you do it in a certain way for long periods of time people have like very intense psychedelic experiences akin to DMT yeah i had like a um like a kundalini kind of experience like a no awakening where it was like a uh as i just had um felt like the top of my head just completely was gone and it was it was like i was just open to all like the information it was it was a crazy it was like I had no no no no no no no head like it was just I was just just information was just pouring into no roof no roof was this from Kundalini no it was it was it was from mushrooms but it was similar but I felt but I felt that that that Kundalini experience where you see the light it was like this really intense light that that happens in my head and it was just boom you see you see the universe you know well you know that that thing about the center of your head that's what the there's there's a lot of speculation and what the Egyptians were trying to draw when they were drawing certain images but there's certain temples that seem to mimic certain certain shapes in these temples that seem to mimic the pineal gland like even the eye that there's that famous Egyptian eye that has that sort of dipped down in that weird sort of Egyptian shape.

[133] There's been a bunch of different scholars that have tried to figure out what exactly that meant.

[134] And one of the theories is that that's a cross section of the pineal gland.

[135] And they think that what they were emphasizing was that that is the area where the brain produces all the psychedelic chemicals.

[136] And they speculated this for a long time, but Dr. Rick Strassman, he's the guy that wrote that book, DMT, the Spirit Molecule, and there was actually a documentary on it that I hosted, and he's done a bunch of work with this Cottonwood Research Foundation where they've shown now that it exists in live rats and that it is actually produced by that gland, that DMT is actually produced in these animals by this one particular gland, that they associated with spiritual awakening with the third eye.

[137] So it actually is a real thing, that feeling that you get.

[138] And the thing about mushrooms, it's really interesting, is mushrooms actually mimic natural human neurochemistry.

[139] There's 5MEO DMT, there's N N DMT, and then what mushrooms, what it's processed to the way your body processes, it becomes something called 4 -Foxy N -N dimethylotryptamine.

[140] So it's real, it's all real close.

[141] I might have butchered that technical description, but that's, it's real close to human neurochemistry so your body absorbs it very easily your body takes it in your body knows what it is your body knows what doing it see when I was um I like mushrooms because of mushroom so the five MEO is so powerful that you can't really get a handle on what happened like I came back from being away for like 17 minutes I'm just like whoa that was intense you know I felt as if like I was everything all at the same time and it was you know so many different things that was just happening but you really can't unpack it because it's it's it's incomprehensible to an extent for for the larger extent because you're you're dealing with you know concepts that the human mind can't even grasp because there's no vocabulary to to speak about it you know so um when i did the mushrooms the mushrooms were kind of like the rivers and the lakes that leads to the ocean and it helps me understand how i am part of something so big and something so big and something so grand.

[142] So when I, when I did my, when I have my mushroom experiences, they were all different in some, in some respect, you know, like, um, like whenever I do go deep, because I like to go deep.

[143] I don't, I don't, I don't play around with like the two.

[144] Yeah, microdosing.

[145] I mean, I do microdosing sometimes, but I like to get in there with like five grams, maybe, you know, 10, you know, that's how you know what's up.

[146] Yeah, those big ones.

[147] The big doses where you, you get kind of scared.

[148] once you ate it and then you know you got like 40 minutes before he kicks in you're like oh boy yeah turn it back now there's no turning back now and you and that's the thing about it when you face that that fear of just going deep and and it's helped me out so much because you know towards the end of my career like I just didn't I didn't finish the way I wanted to you know and I felt like you know after I came back from my injuries I just wasn't the same for a fighter anymore I just were you not the same physically or was it mentally it was it was physical, but it also, it became mental because it was, because physically I just didn't feel the same.

[149] You know, I didn't feel like I ever regained a power back in my legs.

[150] And for the most part, my legs were everything.

[151] What were the injuries?

[152] I had two ACL surgeries on my, on my right knee.

[153] And that completely just, uh, it changed everything for me because, you know, being a smaller light heavyweight, all of my power was all in my legs, you know, and whatever I couldn't make up for in the size department up top, I was usually able to make up for.

[154] with the power of my legs, you know.

[155] Is that related to the injury that you got when you were at Jackson's and Diego Sanchez crashed into you?

[156] No, so that was a different injury.

[157] So that was an MCL, but it was on my left knee.

[158] So the right knee was the one who got.

[159] That always drove me crazy because I'm like, why the fuck is a guy training for a world title fight in a regular class where everybody knows?

[160] People collide into people with regular classes all the time with millions of dollars on the line.

[161] I see that all the time, though, in top gyms.

[162] But that's, see, that's, that's where the training has gone.

[163] Like, like before we would train like maniacs.

[164] We would train crazy as hell and put ourselves in some crazy situations.

[165] And you try to put yourself in a situation because you're like, you know, I did it before and I've done it so many times and nothing has happened.

[166] But when you start to move up and there's more on the line, then you always have to take every single precaution because you can't afford to take a step back.

[167] Right.

[168] And for me, once I have my knee injuries, though, I just mentally was not the same person and when I competed I wasn't the same person and then it affected me because then I'm like you know I'm not the same person did you lose the ability to explode with your knees did you have meniscus damage as well um I have meniscus damage I lost the ability to explode and I lost um it would get tired my leg I get tired you know and it didn't have the same bounce the same rhythm and it kind of felt it kind of felt heavy and I couldn't really feel it in the front you know the front part of my knee.

[169] I couldn't really feel it.

[170] I had a little.

[171] Did you have a patelotendant graft?

[172] I had a petalotent graft.

[173] So they cut the front open and then they take the piece of the bone.

[174] They take a slice of the petalotendant and a piece of the bone on the bottom and they replace your ACL with that.

[175] Correct.

[176] Yeah, I did that too.

[177] It takes a long time to get that feeling back.

[178] Yeah.

[179] It took me more than a year before it felt right.

[180] And then even then if I was on my knees, it would hurt like hell.

[181] See, and that's the thing.

[182] Like I still, to this day, I still have dead spots where I can't feel in my knee.

[183] Well, it's numb.

[184] Yeah, it's numb.

[185] And I think it had to do it a lot because I had two of the knee surgeries back to back.

[186] Like when I was only healing up for my first one, then it ruptured again.

[187] So then I had to go back in and get it done.

[188] You know, the first time it was with the cadaver.

[189] And then the cadaver tissue didn't take.

[190] But I didn't know that until like almost a year later.

[191] And then it slept out just training normally.

[192] Fuck.

[193] Yeah.

[194] ACLs are brutal.

[195] Oh, my gosh.

[196] It was, it's the worst, man. the worse.

[197] And I admire guys who can come back and look phenomenal and do it, you know, still because when you mess up your knee, you know, for me, it just kind of mentally just, it messed me up a bit.

[198] How much physical rehab did you have to do for that?

[199] Man, I did a lot.

[200] I did years worth of it.

[201] Just, you know, the first time I didn't do it as well as I could have because I'm like, ah, you know, I'll bounce by pretty easy.

[202] And I did, like, I felt like I was bouncing back pretty easy.

[203] But when it went the second time, Then it was harder because not only was I healing from the ACL, but then my knee was healing in general just from, you know, the previous surgery and then plus this surgery.

[204] And then I had something different because in a first surgery, it wasn't, it wasn't too invasive because I wasn't using my own, my own tissue.

[205] That's cadaver one is nice.

[206] It's easy.

[207] It's easy if it works.

[208] Right.

[209] If your body takes it.

[210] How long did it take before it blew out again?

[211] Man, I was almost a year.

[212] I was training for another fight thinking I could get back in shape and fight again.

[213] And then when I was training for that fight, it blew out again.

[214] Yeah, I'll schedule the fight Gussinson, and then AJ end up taking that fight instead.

[215] But it was one that just, you know, it was like, first of all, when I was out for two years, healing from injury, you know, I got to see what it was like to when all the cameras stopped flashing, when people stopped caring to get your pictures, when, you know, that whole feeling, that whole feeling that just that happens.

[216] when you hit that when you hit that transitional point and stop becoming that guy and it was difficult transition at first because you know even though I always told myself I'll never you know put myself in a mindset of being just that fighter sooner or later you become just that fighter and that's what happened to me so when I had to meaning that you weren't the best well not just the best that you weren't an elite world class I wasn't elite world class fighter like I used to be I wasn't on that level anymore, you know, and that that was something for me that was just like, God, damn, you know.

[217] Your use of your legs was so pivotal.

[218] It was so huge for you.

[219] Like, in that rampage fight, I remember that opening sequence when you just darted after him and blast him with the right hand.

[220] It was so fast.

[221] Like, he didn't even know what the fuck was happening.

[222] As soon as the bell rang, you were on him and you cracked him quick.

[223] And I was like, that is some serious explosion.

[224] And that was even in that fight, I could even wrestle like the last four weeks of that fight because I had a, I pulled my hamstring in a fight.

[225] So I was just really just drilling up until that fight for the last four weeks.

[226] So when I came out like that, I was like, I was a little insecure.

[227] And I was like, you know what?

[228] I'm just going to see what happened if I go.

[229] And then it worked.

[230] I was like, okay, I still got some spring.

[231] It worked perfect.

[232] Yeah.

[233] So, yeah.

[234] So when I was into my career.

[235] and just kind of getting you know kind of trying to figure out like what what's next for me you know um it was hard you know it was just a hard place because um you know i really have anybody talk to i didn't really know what i was going to do next in my life you know and then when i started fighting again i still was in that place where i just wasn't you know totally back to fighting my mentality because fighting is is something mentally that it takes it takes a certain mentality for you know and and for me fighting was something that i did to uh exercise some demons a bit you know but but having some time away from the sport it allowed me to figure other ways to exercise those demons and you know figure out some things around them you know the things that made me mad the things that were my fuel before i kind of made peace with them and then making peace with a lot of the things that i was using for my fuel it just changed the way i fought and the way I seen fighting.

[236] So coming back to fight, I just wasn't that same fighter anymore.

[237] And then when I got to the point where I was like, man, I can't keep myself, like I was like, man, I'm not fighting the way I want to fight.

[238] And, you know, there's, I mean, what's the point?

[239] If I can't go and compete the way I want to, I'm only torture myself.

[240] So then I decided to retire.

[241] But then when I retired, I still was in a space where I was like, man, it's still something missing.

[242] So then when I did the five MEO DMT that kind of put things in perspective in a whole different way you know and it and it just it changed me it changed me a lot it changed the way that you know like I said the way I think the way I eat everything everything about it you know so it was um it was so cathartic in so many sense in so many uh sense of the word you know do you think that something like that would be really beneficial for fighters that are in the twilight of their career I think I think I think every fighter gets to a point where you fight enough than fighting it kind of it kind of you kind of get in a weird space about it and you know i've seen fighters go through that period where they just kind of like figuring out that why am i still doing this you know they've had great moments inside the cage but then they have those down moments and those down moments are the moments where it's harder to come back from and i think those are the times where you you know a psychedelic or something like that could put things in perspective and allow the fighter to see the why behind the reason they're doing it and maybe create a new why.

[243] Yeah.

[244] You're so different.

[245] It's funny.

[246] You know, I've noticed that about you over the last few years of just, I don't get to see you that often.

[247] And when I get to see you, over the last few years, I'm like, wow, something has changed in Rashad.

[248] Like, you're more, I mean, I hate to use the word spiritual, but you seem like a more spiritual, more peaceful guy.

[249] I had noticed that.

[250] So that's why I was really interested to have this conversation, see what your journey was.

[251] Yeah, it's been one hell of a journey, man. You know, I just, I teamed up with some people in Denver.

[252] One of my good friends, Del Jolly out in Denver, you know, he's the one who told me about the medicine, about the medicine, the Toad Medicine.

[253] And after that, we just kind of continue to always link up and we do, you know, a bunch of ceremonies together.

[254] We do ayahuasca.

[255] And just make sure we always have that connection.

[256] But it was through working with him, you know, I became, you know, part of this group, Unlimited Sciences.

[257] And Unlimited Sciences, what we're doing is, you know, we've been able to, we want to make psilocybin usage because Del Jolly was one of the guys who got, who's on the committee who got it approved for Denver.

[258] decriminalizing.

[259] He was one of the guys who made that possible.

[260] Do you know how it works?

[261] So are you allowed to possess a certain amount of psilocybin in Denver?

[262] Is that how it works?

[263] I'm not really too sure exactly how it all works with that, but I think that they're still working out the details about how it's going to be, which you can possess on the legal side.

[264] But with unlimited of sciences, you know, we've, you know, we've been able to take the, we want to take the psilocybin experience where it's one that people can go through for healing and help and get consistent, consistent information, consistent data on, you know, the full spectrum on how you can use it in a ways it's used.

[265] So we've teamed up, and this has never been done before, we teamed up with John Hopkins University, and we're going to be part of their study and we're going to do like the first real world world study where we go out and and uh you know take information from people you know people from 18 then up who can speak english can sign up for our um our study and you know what you do is you go and you fill out the questionnaire and everything is is um hip protected so no one has to worry about you know getting in trouble for their their usage of psilocybin but um you know john hopson's taking all this information and we're collecting it for them And, you know, what we want to do is we want to be able to give this back to them so that they can see on which way they want to direct their clinical research, you know.

[266] And what that can do is, you know, with the unlimited sciences, it comes from this group called Realm of Caring.

[267] And Realm of Caring is out in Denver, and Realm of Caring was for medical refugees during the whole.

[268] When there was medical refugees for cannabis who couldn't use it in their state, came to Denver where they were able to use it.

[269] But when they first came, there wasn't, there wasn't, you know, any information on how much you to use because Heather Jackson and this other girl started, named his page, they started the realm of caring, and it was just them.

[270] They were treating their child, and their children, they had seizures and epilepsy and stuff like that.

[271] So they wanted, they tried everything in a medical field to help them, They could not help them with that.

[272] So then they went to cannabis, and there was only two of them doing it, so they didn't really have much information to go back from.

[273] So then they would share information amongst each other, and then they would ask other people.

[274] And then through networking, they created this huge community of people with data, and then they started to come with more and more data, and then they started working with John Hopkins University and made a protocol and everything else.

[275] Now the Roma caring helped thousands of families all over the world just with the information and data.

[276] they didn't have been able to collect.

[277] That's awesome.

[278] John Hopkins has been involved in psilocybin research for a while, right?

[279] They had some thing that they did on near -death patients, people that are close to death and alleviating the fear of passing.

[280] Yeah, and that's, um, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's one thing that they've, they're, they're very interested in diving into that, the mind aspect and everything.

[281] And I think that the real world study would be good because what it does is It allows, you know, it allows them to put their money and their resources into where people are actually using it and the things that are interesting to the people, you know.

[282] So, I mean, it's one thing to have it in a clinical setting, but it's another thing to do it on your own and be able to get the results from it.

[283] So hopefully to study with John Hopkins University, it definitely changes games and puts things on a level where people can get the healing they need from the mushrooms.

[284] Have you read any of McKenna's stuff?

[285] Um, a little bit.

[286] I, uh, I, uh, I, uh, I, uh, I, I, uh, I listen to him quite a bit.

[287] Yeah.

[288] Fascinating guy.

[289] Listen to a weird, weird voice, right?

[290] Weird, weird voice, but, but hypnotic almost.

[291] Yeah.

[292] You can't, I mean, I, I listen to ours in McKenna and just his understanding and breakdown of, of, of, uh, of mushrooms.

[293] This is crazy.

[294] in British Columbia now, and he's a big proponent of one of, Terrance had a theory that Dennis subscribes to called the stoned ape theory.

[295] Do you know this theory?

[296] Yeah.

[297] And this is a really controversial theory, but fascinating, that they believe that at least Terence, Terence had this idea that one of the catalysts for human evolution that changed us from lower primates to human beings was the consumption of psilocybin and that animals you know these these pre -human primates would flip over cow patties and experiment by eating grubs and bugs and things they find are there and they would also eat the mushrooms that would grow on the cow patties and the doubling the the human brain size over a period of two million years is this gigantic mystery like they have no idea what happened I mean it's a apparently according to biologist is the biggest mystery in the fossil record that the human brain doubled and not just that any organ would double in size over a period of two million years but that the organ responsible for the theory of evolution in the first place doubled over two million years is really interesting but it coincides with climate change and coincides with these rainforest and this is all terence's work i'm repeating it coincides with these rainforests receding into grasslands and then these undulates, these cow -like animals that would live on these grasslands and eat the cow and take shits.

[298] And then the manure would grow, or the psilocybin rather, would grow in the manure and they would follow these cows around and then eat their mushrooms that would grow in their manure.

[299] And it also coincides with the earliest civilizations would all worship cattle.

[300] Like Choctal Heuk, which is one of the earliest known civilizations.

[301] They had these, it was a real cattle worshipping sort of, I don't say a cult, but the way their culture would operate.

[302] They worship cattle.

[303] And some would say, well, that's because they ate them and they used their milk.

[304] I'm sure, I'm sure that had something to do with it.

[305] But like the Hindus don't even eat them.

[306] They just worship them.

[307] Imagine that?

[308] You've got a billion people living in a place.

[309] Everyone's starving and they're not eating the cows.

[310] They're not eating the most delicious animal on the planet.

[311] Well, it's because they grew mushrooms.

[312] And the ancient Hindu scripts, like Soma, is one of the main sacraments that they would talk about.

[313] No one really understood.

[314] To this day, they're not exactly sure what Soma is, but it's some sort of a psychedelic sacrament.

[315] And it probably was a combination of many things, but a big one was most likely psilocybin was a part of that.

[316] And that sort of corresponded with their relationship with cows.

[317] that they had this worship of cattle they wouldn't eat them and the reason is because God came out of their butt in their eyes they would make the manure the mushrooms would grow in the manure and I mean there's all sorts of mushroom iconography and all of their ancient religious artwork I mean I think mushrooms I know mushrooms that played a big part in our society and our civilization in our ancient civilization for sure and I don't think it's been properly covered the way that it could be.

[318] But it's amazing because the minute you eat a mushroom at the right dosage, you feel it.

[319] You feel the fact that it's like, oh, this is something ancient because there's something that happens when you go to that place where you lose the, you lose the self.

[320] When you lose the self, then there's something that happens.

[321] That's just magical.

[322] there really is no way to explain it or dress it up with words.

[323] It's just something magical that happens once you reach that level.

[324] Yeah, whenever I have these conversations with people, there's two types of people.

[325] There's people like you that have the experiences that go, mm -hmm.

[326] And then there's people that have no experience it at all that look, you're like, yeah, it's mushrooms.

[327] But I feel bad for those people.

[328] I do too.

[329] Because I know how I used to think, and I would have dismissed it the same way.

[330] I would have said, this is the foolish notions of frivolous spiritual people that are just being ridiculous.

[331] And they think, oh, it's all about the mushrooms, man. But it is.

[332] If you do it, you'll realize, like, oh, well, if you do any real potent breakthrough psychedelic, any real breakthrough psychedelic, any real breakthrough psychedelic is going to make you humble.

[333] It's going to make you realize, like, oh, there's more to this than everyday consciousness.

[334] Yeah.

[335] There's more to this experience, this existence.

[336] there's something way bigger and you only can tap into it through a variety of different methods whether it's you know would you know name your psychedelic or name your trans like state that people can go into there's a lot of different ways to tap into it but once you do you realize like this is not this little thin thing that we're touching right now this is not everything right and that's the thing about it it really just cuts through the whole materialism of everything yeah really shows that materialism is just a product of consciousness, you know, and sometimes we tend to think that, you know, our consciousness is a product of the materialism, but, you know, at the end of the day, consciousness is everything.

[337] And when I did my Toad experience, I almost felt as if, like, I'm not really here, and I'm really somewhere else just projecting my consciousness to here.

[338] And it seemed as if, like, when I smoked the Toad, the venom severed that connection and the connection wasn't able to come here on earth and I was just really where I really am.

[339] That's what it felt like.

[340] And then when I came back to my body, I remember feeling like like I didn't want to come back.

[341] And actually it was saying like please don't go, please don't go when I came back.

[342] Wow.

[343] I felt like I was, I dissolved and I became a part of everything.

[344] I felt like, like, I always tend to think of life as like my own view of experience.

[345] It's right here, right?

[346] My life is right here.

[347] Now, right now it's in this room.

[348] Later on, it'll be at the comedy store.

[349] There's places I go.

[350] My life is where those places are.

[351] But when I had my first M -A -O -D -M -F -M -A -O -D -T experience, it felt like, no, no, no, it's all together.

[352] You're in the middle of this infinite soup of life.

[353] And there's no one spot That spot is your imagination It's like your own The limitations of your biology That we have kept From the time that we were small little mammals To the time that we were lower primates To the time that we're human beings The limit the biological instincts to survive And to preserve our DNA And to carry that DNA on DNA on All of those instincts Are the reason why we're here But also so limiting because they keep your consciousness bottled up in the location that you're at.

[354] It keeps your feeling of life contained to wherever you're at that moment and staying safe and then keeping people paying attention to you and making sure you got the coolest shit.

[355] All the things that seem so silly when you trip.

[356] Yeah, absolutely.

[357] Absolutely.

[358] When I fall away and the feeling will fall in a way and not being who I think I am it is almost the most freeing feeling but at the same time it's one of the scariest yeah it's one of the scariest at the same time but it's um it's necessary and it's necessary in order to to reach a certain point of understanding you know when you reach a certain point of understanding of going inside then you don't need a guru you don't need anyone to to drop insight or knowledge because all the knowledge and insight it's there if you go deep enough and you know how to go deep enough you know and you understand the fact that you know um there's this there's there's just this knowingness and it's hard to explain like it sounds crazy to say but there's just this knowingness out there and you can tap into it yeah there's something out there for sure what's interesting to me is some people have a way better grasp of the english language and they're way better at describing things the way they're way better at sort of putting trips into perspective because everyone sucks at it even the best people suck at it i'm terrible i've described it the same way you described it there's not really words for it you know you do your best but it's so poor like you're you're just the ability that words have to convey the experience there there's no words that are correct they don't even get in the neighborhood they get they wrap around it they try and even And even in a state, I remember being in a state where I was in one of my deepest trips.

[359] And I'm in the trip.

[360] And my friend looks over at me and then I rave him over because I want to tell him the secret that I found about, you know, about consciousness and about existence.

[361] But I couldn't tell him because the knowingness is telling me if I tell him, then I'm not going to be able to come back and live.

[362] You know, I had to go.

[363] I had to leave this earth.

[364] That's what it was telling me. So I remember just sitting there just like, man, I want to be able to tell him and be able to convey to him in words what I'm feeling.

[365] The only thing I came out of my mouth was just go sit over there.

[366] It'll come to you because that's what happened to me. Like I was in his yard and I just went and walked.

[367] And as I was walking, this knowingness told me like I was walking barefoot in his grass and I kept getting my feet poked.

[368] And the annoyingness told me, it was like, you know, it told me the path to walk.

[369] And it said, the reason why I'm stepping on these, getting pricked is because I'm stepping on live grass, step on in dead spots where there's no, and it just came to me just that clear.

[370] And I just started doing it and I wasn't getting pricked by any grass no more.

[371] Then it told me to sit down and then I sat down.

[372] And then I just had like the most profound just realizations just hit me. Like it was like, it was coming out of the sun.

[373] it sounds crazy to say i was outside and i went and i was looking at the sun and it was like the sun transitioned to something else it was just became very deep and it had layers of it was it was very very trippy but during that experience i remember looking around and seeing everyone that i was with and laughing to myself saying like they would not believe this but i'm actually every single one of them and that that was like a thought that I remember thinking and feeling like it like I'm feeling myself right now and it bugged me out it I know it's deep it's it's so deep do you still train all the time yeah I train all the time you train all the time yeah do you what do you feel different like even when you're hitting things yeah I but not but not in a way like I feel like oh man I feel bad I don't feel like that I just feel like um I may ever since I was able to kind of come back after this whole transition happened, I feel like I have a better idea on competing now, like as far as like my mindset for competing is better than it was before just because I don't, my ego's not so attached to it as it was, you know, and I'm able to go out and just give my best and whatever it is, it is, and completely just be like, oh, it, you know, whatever.

[374] And it's easy to say now that I'm not competing where it counts for anything, but for me before, even in practice, it felt like something.

[375] If I lost in practice, then it would stick with me for a couple of days.

[376] You know, I'll be upset about that.

[377] But now I can just go in and just train and, you know, and it doesn't stay with me like I would before.

[378] Do you feel like, though, that to be an elite fighter, maybe you need that burning desire to the point where mistakes burn and they hurt.

[379] And I know as a comedian, I mean, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a parallel there, like where when, if I'm really working hard or really concentrating hard, anything I say that is stupid or comes off wrong or I try something, it doesn't work, it will fuck with me for days, just all day long, even in conversation, I'm having fun with some friends and I say something stupid, like that, it'll sit in my head for a day.

[380] I'll wake up in the middle of the night to piss going, why the fuck did you say that?

[381] It's the worst.

[382] No, you do need that as an athlete, but at the same time.

[383] Particularly as a fighter, right?

[384] Because you have to, I mean, it's so, the difference between a champion, you know is about it, more than anybody, between a champion and a good fighter is so close.

[385] It's such a...

[386] It's so close.

[387] It's so close.

[388] It is.

[389] And sometimes it's that fucking fire that anger that fear that drive inside of you to be elite to be the best and sometimes that comes with every practice you have to win everything you have to do every fucking training session you have to burn it out if you don't you feel like you're less than you could be yeah i i agree with that but there's also the other side of that too where there's that that that blissful ignorance and that blissful ignorance is where you just go out and do something and you do it 100 % great all the time just because you enjoy it and there's not the pressure of oh i have to do it a certain kind of way like for instance when when john jones was first competing john jones he competed so freely because you know it was just like he was it was just in his nature like he was just so creative and he fought different because of you know he fought from that play of just creativity, that ignorance, that ignorant bliss.

[390] You know, he couldn't be beat.

[391] He didn't believe he can be beat.

[392] And, you know, he would fight that way.

[393] And he would do some genius stuff in there just because of that, you know.

[394] But then when you have those experiences where, you know, you've been caught in a fight or you've, you know, you've made some mistakes in there, then you do know better.

[395] But then those thoughts, it actually slows you down a bit too because you're not fully reacting.

[396] and you're thinking of a hair where before it was just kind of like a reaction yeah i talk about his opening fight the opening sequence of his fight with shogun i mean he's 23 years old he's fighting for the world title and he opens up with a flying name right who the fuck does that that's that that was that that was that that was that dumb and young yeah that's the best way to say it but at the same time that that blissful ignorance that's what made that was his blueprint for so long you know and he's turned it into a whole fight style just that you know letting it off hang out letting it fly and that's what worried me um that's why I thought in this fight with Dominic Reyes it was going to be a closer fight because of the fact that Dominic Reyes now had that what John used to have being that that blissful ignorance he didn't really know how much you know how better John was or didn't even care he was just kind like oh I can what you know what I'm saying he was so confident himself almost in it in an ignorant blissful way but it worked out for him you know well what's interesting about that fight is, first of all, it's a great argument for five -round championship fights, because for the first three rounds, Dominic Reyes was winning.

[397] The question is whether he won the third round.

[398] That's the one I believe that's up for grabs.

[399] Most people that I've talked to think John won the last two clearly.

[400] Most people.

[401] Most people that I talked to that are experts, most people, few disagree, believe that Dominic Reyes has won the first three.

[402] And the third round is the one that seems to be, you could go, well, Dominic scored more, but it was close enough where you could see someone giving it to John, particularly since John was pressing the action.

[403] John was pushing forward.

[404] Maybe you give it to John, but they thought Dominic won it.

[405] But they said if there's a disputable round, it is that third round.

[406] Yeah, I agree.

[407] But one fucking judge gave John four rounds to one.

[408] That's insane.

[409] This is the same judge that when, I believe Luke Thomas is talking about this.

[410] I'm sorry if I'm wrong, because I'm not saying the judge's name because I'm not sure if I'm correct, but I believe it's the same judge that Trevin Giles, who fought James Krause, Giles and Kraus was an amazing fight.

[411] Giles wound up winning the decision, but the first round, Kraus had his back for four minutes, and the judge gave that round to Giles, which is insane.

[412] I mean, for four minutes Kraus had his back The guy was fighting off chokes Kraus was Real close to submitting him Couple times during those four minutes And the judge The same judge who gave four rounds To John Jones Gave that first round to Giles Where there was a dude on his back For four fucking minutes Most of the round And maybe even a fucking more egregious Fight was Andre Ewell versus Jonathan Martinez.

[413] That fight was fucking crazy.

[414] That fight was crazy.

[415] That was the most crazy one.

[416] Martinez won that fight.

[417] Martinez won that fight.

[418] Ewell broke his arm, I think, I'm not sure if it's a broken arm, but he had a significant injury to his right hand early in the fight.

[419] Somewhere in between either the first or the second round, not sure, but he really couldn't throw a right hand, and it was kind of hanging.

[420] You could kind of see it was hanging.

[421] And Martinez put in work.

[422] it was an amazing performance by him and he got fucked over man real bad it was bad decision making there was a bunch of bad fights there was a bunch of bad decisions it wasn't just one there was like four or five on a card of what 12 fights 11 12 fights I forget how many was from the opening prelims there was bad decisions just almost like people who don't know what they're seeing yeah and that's crazy too especially when we reached a point that we have and mixed martial arts you know I think that we've we've turned the corner in that meaning the fact that there's there's so many so much out there so much knowledge out there in the sport and everything else like then if you're going to be judging it you got to at least know when somebody is is winning around i mean you know there's aspects of john's game that that was you know a score some point you know he was always moving forward with the action but um you know even when he was moving forward the action he wasn't terribly too offensive he would come with his legs but you know a lot of times he would allow he would allow uh dominic to kind of be the first one initiated and then moving off and it sometimes it seemed like he was just kind of chasing him but um you know i think that uh it was it was that third round that third round was that that hard round to score but you know it's i i i think that dom had the edge but if you're going to be the champ then you got to beat the champ and i don't think he did that john Jones oppressed me so much with the shots that he was able to take, but more or less the mindset that John had, that that, that, that, that mindset that John had in those championship rounds, to me, that showed that this guy is, you know, he is a total package.

[423] And when it comes to fighting, just mentally speaking, you know, he's, he's somebody who I thought that was frustrated and working through his own frustrating in the fight, for his frustration in a fight is difficult and he didn't succumb to his own frustration and he just kept that pressure going and took some big shots from a heavy hitter but Dominic Reyes is a problem for anybody he's a problem he's a real problem especially now that he's got that rub he touched touched greatness with John who's the greatest ever I feel like those last two rounds should count more this is my personal opinion but John Kavanaugh said something on his Twitter page I believe it was John Kavanaugh and it reflects exactly how I feel that if this fight was going to go on another five rounds.

[424] It's pretty fucking clear to me who's going to win.

[425] Who's going to, who, this is to the death.

[426] John Jones is going to win that fight.

[427] You know, if it's to the death, there's no doubt about it in my mind that John Jones is eventually going to get him.

[428] Yeah.

[429] Those last two rounds, Dominic Reyes was hurting.

[430] You could see him looking, taking big, deep breaths and trying to move and his arms were labored, and John just kept pressing, kept pressing, kept kicking him, kept pushing him, kept trying for the takedown.

[431] And that should mean more.

[432] It should mean more towards the end of the fight.

[433] At the end of the fight, if you win a decision, but you just got your ass kick for the last four minutes, that seems crazy to me that you won the fight.

[434] Yeah.

[435] Because, I mean, I know this is a dumb way to think about it.

[436] But if we were in a schoolyard, right, we were in high school.

[437] And some dude and another dude fought, the dude who's getting the shit beat out of them at the end of the fight is the guy who lost.

[438] Right.

[439] Right.

[440] When the teachers come and they pull you off that guy, that's who won.

[441] That's who won.

[442] And I know that you can't score of professional.

[443] sport the way you look but it is the rarest of rare professional sports because it's the sport of fighting right and in fighting when you're getting your ass kicked you were you know you're supposed to you're supposed to lose if you're getting your ass kicked you lost yeah and if you're kicking the guy's ass you win sounds crazy but at the end of that fight John Jones was kicking Dominic crazy's ass he was he was chasing him down Dominic was taking a big deep breath he was firing back when he fired back very well in the fourth round but John absorbed.

[444] John has a fucking hell of a chin too.

[445] Oh my gosh.

[446] A hell of a chin.

[447] A hell of a chin.

[448] I mean, you can't, he's, he's something special because of everything.

[449] It's not, he's something special because of his physical attributes.

[450] He's very tall and long.

[451] He's very strong.

[452] It's not just his skill.

[453] He's got great wrestling.

[454] He's got great striking.

[455] It is all, it's his mind, too.

[456] It's all those things.

[457] It's his ability to press forward.

[458] It's ability to break people.

[459] His ability to stay on top of you, have that champion's mindset, and to know that he's fought the majority of his career as a world champion, which is fucking crazy.

[460] I know.

[461] I mean, almost a decade as the greatest in the world chasing everybody that he's fought, every single fighter that he's fought.

[462] You look at them.

[463] They're all guys like you, guys like Machita, world champions, rampage, world champions, over and over and over again.

[464] You go through the list of.

[465] them just all these killers is this killer after killer gust of sin you know i mean you just keep going through his entire career dc twice stopped him in the second fight he's a fucking assassin and and the most impressive thing about it for me is the fact that you know on a physical scale he's phenomenal but just mentally speaking to be able to go through everything and he's gone through you know the ups and downs yeah what that what that does to your mind yes you You know, what that does to your mind and just being able to put that to aside or be able to use it in order to go out and still perform as if, like, he hasn't missed the beat.

[466] Yeah.

[467] That is hard because it gets to the point, you know, you get, you get, with anything in life, you get tired of the monotony of it.

[468] You get, you get jaded by it.

[469] Yeah.

[470] And he hasn't been jaded by it and he still goes out there and performs like that.

[471] That's impressive.

[472] I think he needed someone like Dominic to get that fear going too.

[473] I think he knew Dominic Reyes physically is a talented guy.

[474] He's a great athlete.

[475] He has tremendous footwork.

[476] His ability to change angles and then fire back is insane.

[477] It's so good.

[478] You saw it in the OSP fight where he knocked him out with like a couple seconds to go.

[479] You see it in a lot as Jared Cannonier fight.

[480] He could step back and fire, fire uppercut, step back and fire that straight left.

[481] His ability to change direction is amazing.

[482] And I think a lot of that could be attributed to his football, basketball.

[483] Baseball, like footwork, movement, his ability to explode, all that stuff that he did in other sports, I think directly translates to his ability to move really well inside the octagon.

[484] And then on top of it, he's gigantic.

[485] He's the same size as John, which is very unusual for John to face someone that's his height.

[486] And he's really fucking strong, too.

[487] That's a, that was the intangible that I think that John didn't expect.

[488] He didn't expect for him to be as strong as he was.

[489] When he's able to get back up every time, like shit.

[490] get up like he wasn't even on him like dang his legs are fucking huge you look at Reyes his legs oh huge yeah I mean he's got tremendous power I mean both with his punches but also with his ability to move man he was throwing great kicks he was chopping at John's legs I mean I out of any fight in John's future I want to see a rematch I really want to see what Dominic Reyes looks like now with this rub understanding how close he was and then the amount of conditioning that he's going to have to put himself through to be able to do that again five rounds.

[491] And it's not like either guy got fucked up in that fight where they're going to be severely damaged.

[492] It's not like one of those crazy wars where like Adasanya Kelvin Gastilum.

[493] At the end of that fight, I was like, oh my God, you know, I hope Kelvin takes some time off after that one.

[494] That was chaos, just wildness.

[495] It wasn't like that.

[496] It was a grueling, difficult, hard fight but it wasn't a fight where there was so much damage that both john and and dominic need to take a long time off i feel like you could make that fight in eight months absolutely and that would be the fight to make that's that is a that's a crazy rematch and the thing about it was surprisingly to see like they like their faces weren't beat up at all and i'm like these dudes were landing some shots in each other and their face was not even like i thought for sure john's lip would be all swollen them like it was when he fought augustison yeah he took he took those shots well man it's it's amazing it's amazing but i think that this is exactly what john needed in that light heavyweight weight class because you know it does it was getting kind of stagnant and i think it needed some time to mature but i think i think dominic ray has just said yeah you better stay here for a little bit and here's another guy cori anderson oh yes corey anderson somebody listen that's the dark horse i've been telling everybody listen that's the dark horse the way he knocked out john Walker and he's angry he's angry he's angry and that's something you never seen Corey yes you never seen that before after that fight he was like letting everybody know you fuckers been slipping yeah you've been sleeping on me you guys have been pretending that I don't exist that's that's that I'm out here beating the best in the world if he fights John Jones I think that's one that John better be like all right he better be so ready yeah Corey's got he doesn't have a chip he's got logs on a shoulder I know Cory he's angry he's pissed he's pissed after that Johnny Walker fight It was so out of character.

[497] He's screaming and yelling and fucking, you know, he was so, it was angry after he won.

[498] He knocked him out in the first round and then he's bad.

[499] The years of disrespect, though, like, and that's how he trained, though.

[500] He always trained with that mindset, like, oh, they don't respect me, you know, and that's why he worked so hard.

[501] Yes.

[502] His endurance is insane.

[503] His pace is insane.

[504] Yeah, training alongside those guys in Jersey was probably one of the best experience in my career.

[505] trained with Mark Henry was mind -blown.

[506] You were telling me about this.

[507] You and I had this long conversation about that.

[508] Tell me what it's like to work with that guy.

[509] Mark Henry is a genius.

[510] You know, what he does is he breaks down the game like no one ever, ever trained with before.

[511] So for every combination that we throw, every punch is all accounted for with a code.

[512] And that code is specific to you and to what's important in your life and the way you value.

[513] So he sits and he talks, talks to you about, you know, your family, whatnot, and then, you know, he'll make these codes up.

[514] And these codes would just be like for a combination of be, I say, a jab cross hook, you know, then he'll say that's NIA.

[515] That's my daughter's name.

[516] And then he'll make a whole system of codes with just names.

[517] And then when you're sparring, he'll call off the name and you just got to know what that technique goes to.

[518] Wow.

[519] There's a bunch of different techniques for different colors, for different movement and you know he can have he just says it and it's like he's like when i watch him go with frankie because frankie has a system down the best for it's like he's controlling frankie like a like a like a like a game and he's just saying Xbox controller yeah he's just saying these commands and frankie hears him and then he goes off and you know sometimes like if if i'm going and i don't see it he'll say something i'll see it i'll like nod it off and then he'll he'll say it another one.

[520] But if he says it, then most of the time I just do it because he sees it.

[521] Right.

[522] That's crazy to have that kind of confidence in another person.

[523] Well, that's the part of the training that you learn.

[524] And then, you know, you kind of, the good side that that is that you, it makes it easier for when you're just out there fighting.

[525] Sometimes it can be difficult if you are too dependent on it and you just kind of lose the ability to create.

[526] yourself you know but for the most part um he does such a good job of breaking it down that uh it's it's pretty easy but it is a it is a very technical system to learn and anybody who gets a chance to work with mark henry i suggest you do it because and here's another thing mark henry is one those guys like i stayed at his house when i first uh went when to stay with him and he doesn't sleep like he'll stay up to like two three o 'clock in the morning watching film and then he'll go to sleep for a couple hours and he'll wake up at like seven seven in the morning to go do his first pizza shop because he owns a pizza shop and he has this crazy work schedule but he he loves fighting.

[527] It's so weird that a guy runs a successful pizza business and he's also one of the best trainers in the world.

[528] It's so strange.

[529] And he makes a killing dirt with his pizza shop.

[530] He kills it.

[531] I heard his basement gym is amazing.

[532] Oh it is amazing his basement gym is where all the magic happens man he has all the codes written out and he He'll torture you in that basement.

[533] He'll torture you.

[534] He'll get your mindset like sharp as hell, but he'll torture in that basement, you know.

[535] Well, it's such a diverse group of fighters, right?

[536] Zabit comes down there, Marlon Morais.

[537] He had so many interesting guys, Edson Barbosa, so many interesting guys had gone through that gym.

[538] It's so crazy.

[539] Like when I first, like I was standing there and I got to train with Zabit a little bit and got to live with Zabit and the Russian the Dagestan fighters.

[540] So it was pretty cool experience because, you know, you.

[541] You kind of get to know their culture and just kind of just get a different respect for it.

[542] You know, and those guys are just hard work of those Dagestanding guys.

[543] They're so hard, they work hard, they pray hard, they just are very, very focused individuals.

[544] And you watch them, you're like, oh, okay, you know, even now I'm like, you know what, maybe I need to get a little bit more serious about my thing, you know.

[545] That's where the success comes from.

[546] That's it.

[547] Think about how many great fighters come out of that region.

[548] I mean, it's really, it's extraordinary.

[549] Yeah, and these guys are phenomenal.

[550] Like, I watch them after training, and these guys do this, like, it's like a Randori type of sparring afterwards, and they just do, like, jumping off the walls, all these kind of like these acrobatic crazy moves that you don't think are ever working, and you see them like, oh, my God, where do you get that from?

[551] They practice it all the time, and they just, they just do all these kind of crazy moves at the end of training.

[552] At the end of training At the end of training So they're done with all the real work Let's just fuck around And see if we get creative Yeah they get creative And they just start Just doing all kinds of stuff And they throw real moves in the area But they just They drill everything And the beat That dude is The beat is probably Like one of the best guys I've ever seen In training Just like Martial arts -wise This guy He jumps off the cage And do all kinds of Acrobat's and come down Doing all kinds of ground acrobatts And he just makes it look so effortless and easy.

[553] It's crazy.

[554] He is really good.

[555] He's really good with his mixture of traditional martial arts techniques, you know, because he has that kung fu background.

[556] So he throws a lot of like round kicks and spinning kicks and all that kind of crazy shit.

[557] But then he'll hit you with like some judo shit, a lot of tosses and trips.

[558] Yeah.

[559] And he's got great submissions too.

[560] I mean, he's got great wrestling.

[561] He's got great boxing.

[562] I mean, he's a weird combination of a bunch of different styles.

[563] And he's tall, too.

[564] That tall length is really something that helps him out too.

[565] Because Frankie Agger, whenever he goes on him, he's like, man, I feel like I can get him down.

[566] But then I look down and then his feet are still touching the ground.

[567] I swear I have him up.

[568] And his feet are still touching.

[569] He's so tall for 145.

[570] I'll tell you what, though.

[571] He had a hard time in his last fight with Calvin Cater.

[572] That dude is fucking dangerous.

[573] Well, Cater's a dog, though.

[574] He's a dog.

[575] He's the dark horse at 45, in my opinion, because he was beatings of him.

[576] beat in that last round and it was rough like Zabit was trying to just get the fuck away from him and he just stays on him and I think he has the best boxing in that division and he's also huge for 45 yes he's standing next to him like how the fuck are you weighing 145 he looks like he's a 160 he doesn't look anything like 145 I know it seemed like in that fight cater kind of realized towards the end like wait a minute I can I can beat this dude you know and that happens sometimes when you go against a guy who has like a bunch of different tricks you find yourself putting putting yourself in his trick bag just by being aware of all the things that he can do you find yourself like oh he's going to set that up oh he's going to set that up and by you being too watchful of what he's doing you're shutting your own game down and it seemed like cater just threw caution to the win that third round was like you know what I'm just go out and just make it happen and then when he did that he found his opportunities I think also the first two rounds were really fast -paced and I think in the third round cater was the one who was in better condition he was the one who was pressing the pace in the third round and he was also landing body shots Like some nasty nasty body shots That we're adding up He's a fascinating guy Calvin Cater I'm really interested To see him He's fighting Jeremy Stevens next Which should be fucking chaos Because Jeremy Stevens is another savage Oh man he's a savage He only fights one way And that's you know Killer be killed See I feel like guys like that Don't even need to win They just need to go out there And just fight Because like his fighting is so good Is you just want to see him go out there Just fight man Well he's had so many oh shit moments in his career like Dennis Bermuda he hits him with that flying knee up against the cage Josh Emmett that the KO Josh Emmett he fucks people up man and he's got ridiculous power too and with Calvin's boxing and Jeremy's savagery the two of them together and Jeremy has ridiculous power the two of them together that's going to be amazing and then they have Zabit Zabit is now going to fight Ortega Brian Ortega's comeback fight is going to be Zabit and that's a tough fight to come back to Ortega's been out injured a bunch Hasn't fought since he lost to Max He's had a bunch of like Real problematic injuries that he can't get over And then finally he's healthy now He's going through training And you know tall order though To jump right back in the deep end of the pool With a guy likes a beat But you know what though Like sometimes it is a tall order But sometimes like when you Like when you just came from a big fight That's the kind of fight It's easier to get up for Like if he just came from title challenging for the title, right?

[577] It'd be hard for him to take too far of a step down in competition because then it's going to be hard to get himself up for it.

[578] But if he's taking a step kind of like in an upward motion, then it's like, okay, I can get up for this fight, and then he can train for it, you know?

[579] Yeah, because the beat is, I don't know what the official ranking is.

[580] In my book, he's two or three, right?

[581] He's right there.

[582] He's right at the top of the heap.

[583] In my book, I mean, there's Volcanovsky.

[584] He's the champ.

[585] There's Max Holloway.

[586] They have to fight again.

[587] They have to.

[588] They're going to fight.

[589] again.

[590] And then after that, it's basically Zabit and Cater.

[591] That's how I look at it.

[592] And then a bunch of other guys.

[593] Now that Aldo's down to 235, which is real interesting, because Aldo is going to fight Triple C. He's going to fight Sohudo.

[594] That's interesting.

[595] Yes.

[596] That is interesting.

[597] That is interesting.

[598] Very interesting.

[599] I thought Aldo looked the best that he's looked in a long time at 135.

[600] Yeah.

[601] He looked amazing.

[602] He looked like a bit like the although minus the kicks.

[603] He didn't minus the kicks.

[604] I wonder.

[605] why he doesn't throw so many kicks anymore i don't know he has injuries or something i think he might have an injury i think he don't want to take a chance of of his knees yeah hurting something and then having to fight through it you know right compromise but it's crazy because his kicks were just such a devastating weapon i mean he only need like two or three of them right just change the whole complexion of the fight one back oh my god like when he fought eurya yeah but imagine now imagine that that power of leg kick to the lower calf like how they oh my gosh yeah yeah maybe he has a knee thing maybe he can't throw those kicks his knees are fucked up i don't know i'd like to know because that was one of his primary weapons but still even without that i felt like he beat marize i felt like that was a bad decision but he's you know he's fighting morise who's easily one of the best 35ers on earth my morise is so good man that left high switch kick that he has is a thing of beauty yeah the way he whips it it's like a whip it's crazy like it's effortless it just goes to your head.

[606] Yeah, Marlon is pretty sick, man. He's beautiful.

[607] Is this Aldo throwing some kicks?

[608] Oh, okay.

[609] Four days ago.

[610] Oh, okay.

[611] It's practiced, but.

[612] Hmm, looks normal.

[613] Looks normal.

[614] It looks normal.

[615] I don't see any problems.

[616] Except the sound's all fucked up.

[617] See, it's different, though.

[618] It's different when you got to crack somebody's leg, you know?

[619] Oh, my gosh.

[620] I think that, I think honestly, when it comes to, you know, know, the state of mixed martial arts, I think that, you know, once a lot of these fighters start to, like, because we were speaking about it earlier, like, we were in a dark age as when it came to training and that transition of how to become more professional with your training.

[621] You know, and I think nowadays, fighters are starting to understand that more, you know, with the, you know, the Performance Institute.

[622] It's helping to educate these fighters a lot more on what proper training should be.

[623] Yeah.

[624] And what it truly couldn't come.

[625] compass, you know, and now there's more professionalism added to martial arts, but there's still an aspect that needs to be covering, and that's on the equipment side, you know, like the equipment that, the company that I work with Onyx, have you heard Onyx before?

[626] Yes, yeah, I have a pair of the gloves.

[627] Okay.

[628] Excellent.

[629] Excellent.

[630] Very, very good.

[631] So we have a whole line, and the line that we have with Onyx, it's really the first MMA branded, like a MMA company that's made, for all the way we move in MMA you know everything that happens in MMA because now the equipment that we use now we borrow it from kickboxing or boxing and there's that gap of just efficiency when it comes to manufacturing for a mixed martial art because they kickboxing they don't have to worry about all the things that we have to worry about when it comes to mixed martial art so the equipment that Trevor has made is all with that in mind you know the gloves that we we made you You try the X -Facted glove.

[632] Yeah, Trevor Whitman sent him to me. So did he design them?

[633] Yeah, so Trevor, Trevor's a genius.

[634] He's another genius.

[635] Oh, my gosh, an absolute genius.

[636] So he started, so what happened is when we were trained, if anything happened to our equipment, we'll just give it the Trevor.

[637] And Trevor will go and he'll tweak it and he'll make some adjustments.

[638] So then Trevor's like, man, you know, he's like, man, the more he started to do that, the more he started to realize, there's a huge gap.

[639] Like the equipment that we're using.

[640] is not efficient.

[641] You know, some gloves that should be, you know, 16 ounces are actually 11 ounces, you know, and there's no integrity when it comes to equipment.

[642] So Trevor did a lot of research and he was like, man, it really hasn't been any improving on equipment since the thumb was put on the boxing glove, you know, and that's pretty much it.

[643] So Trevor went and he learned how to sew, he learned how to do everything and he was in his basement just making this equipment you know he's um he's made uh the x -factor glove you have right look at him there Trevor wittman and he's good at like at first i didn't i didn't realize how in death it was until i went to his basement and seen the little shop that he had but it's pretty high tech so we have the the the glove the x -factor glove but we have um a knee brace and we have a what's up with the knee brace um that's not the knee brace it's the uh knee sleep It's like a knee, it's a shin guard, but it slides into a knee brace.

[644] You can slide, you can slide, it's like a knee brace at the same time, as well as an ankle brace.

[645] It secures a whole, like, whole leg pretty much.

[646] And it's, it feels like you have nothing on, and you can kick with, like, anything, and it feels, it doesn't feel like, it feels amazing.

[647] And he has a really, really thin head gear.

[648] And I want to show you these gloves.

[649] I brought some gloves.

[650] to show you so these gloves right here are what we're going to be doing for the competition gloves the competition in the training gloves the seven -ounce training gloves so pretty much what these are so this one is the so is he developed a different glove for MMA for competition as well has the UFC seen these because they need to make some adjustments.

[651] Yeah, we're talking with the UFC, but these are, yeah, so these are the ones.

[652] So they're curved.

[653] I like how it's curved.

[654] So it sets up that you're in a curved position early on.

[655] Because when you, as you know, when you get the gloves now, they're like a cardboard.

[656] They want to open your hand almost.

[657] Yeah, they always want to open your hands.

[658] But this allows your hands to stay in a natural fist locked position, and you don't got to worry about that.

[659] Nees and how getting it on?

[660] Yeah, big hands.

[661] Oh, yeah.

[662] Okay, so it's curved right away.

[663] Yeah, curved right away.

[664] And then when you...

[665] That's way better.

[666] Yeah, like the old pride gloves.

[667] Yeah.

[668] Good padding, too.

[669] So it's...

[670] I like them.

[671] A lot.

[672] These are definitely better than the ones UFC's using right now.

[673] Yeah.

[674] So, you know, if you see the extrapping system in there, that also goes in there, so then that way it makes it so that your, your hand, you don't get the box and break on your hand.

[675] it keeps everything all the muscles all the all the all the ligaments and and uh bones in place so that way when you're punching everything is is in form so this is it says grappling glove fight glove yes a grappling glove and fight glove so these ones were the ones at the factory and i had to hurry up and get these out just so i want to show you these so this one is is um this one is going to be like the training the training one but we're going to put a different different uh head on the front of it what's going to be different about it it's going to be just the the top is going to be different a little bit more so you can punch with like you can oh hit it with the side hit it with the side it'd be it'd be a little bit like this got some side panic yeah but definitely better than nothing it'll be a side pad on like this a little bit you know so it's going to be a bit bigger so that way right you can hit like that and train like casting punches like those right mm -hmm i like these a lot i like these a lot yeah i mean this is I mean this but Trevor's whole thing man you know it's all about making it so that fighters can do what they enjoy doing a lot longer and be healthy about it you know and he he's Trevor's Trevor's a G when it comes to uh adjust it and making what he needs to for the fighters so they can so they can continue to do what they want to do um he's a judge like he's made he's made head gears for people to so because one of these fighters had a broken nose and he made a headgear and Heger that he made with this guy It was sick How does this work?

[676] This is weird Because it's like Both sides are male Let's see here Oh yeah So this is Let's see It goes on the inside It goes on the inside How does that work?

[677] Yeah it goes on the inside I gotta see Okay Probably some weird shit You gotta talk to Trevor about Let me see Or maybe it goes this way first Oh I bet that's exactly Yeah I bet it goes this way first Yeah so you can put Yeah that's exactly how it goes like that Oh, that is exactly what it is.

[678] Yeah, so you can pull the strap on it.

[679] Yeah, and then the strap goes over, okay, I say, and the strap goes over the top.

[680] These are great, man. Well, there's definitely room for improvement.

[681] The current state of MMA gloves, like the ones that UFC uses.

[682] They're better than the original ones that they had a few years back.

[683] You know, they improved them maybe eight or nine years ago or whatever it was.

[684] But still, those are better.

[685] Well, see, I mean, and that's where we are at Onyx, you know, we just want to be able to get a product out there for the athletes and that they can they can use but it protects them because a lot of the injuries like 75 % of them happen in training sure you know and if we can kind of cut that number down then they can have a lot more of these fighters making these dates yeah and for the most part for these fighters you can actually you know for you can have gear that protects you and you don't got to suffer these long injuries like these ACLs right you know it helped mitigate some of those things you know well you were a big part of the black zillions getting started yeah and when you had that opportunity uh as a guy was a former world champion to go there and sort of get become a part of a team from the ground up what did you try to do that was different than had you had seen in other camps that you had participated in i wanted to make it just like a um you know the biggest thing back then it was it was that there was, you always had to go to so many different places in order to just get that one thing.

[686] So I really wanted to just make it so that our guys didn't have a need to go anywhere else for anything else.

[687] And that was the whole idea behind the whole black zillions.

[688] You know, we brought in all kinds of people from every different aspect from, you know, training to, to nutrition, almost every aspect of it.

[689] And that's what we wanted to provide our athletes with just like the total, the total game.

[690] So they really didn't have to do anything and worry about anything except for showing up the train.

[691] And it worked for a while.

[692] It worked for a while, but it's a hard thing to maintain because that's in a very, very expensive thing.

[693] Yes.

[694] Well, Glenn, the guy who put up the cash, I mean, I had heard some outlandish figures that he was in the hole for that place for by the time everything was up and running.

[695] Yeah, yeah.

[696] Yeah, it was a pretty, it was a pretty hefty ticket, man. It was a pretty happy ticket.

[697] And it was, it was an expense that it did get out of hand.

[698] It did get out of hand.

[699] I'm sure.

[700] Yeah, he, and here's the thing about it.

[701] Like, even his situation, he got himself in a situation where he was doing so much for people.

[702] It just became a thing that people expected out of him.

[703] And then when he wasn't able to do it anymore, then it was kind of like, you know, people were like, oh, man, this guy isn't this.

[704] and he wasn't that but right he just he just wanted to do so much and had an idea to want to do do do things on another level but at the same time you know the the the finances of of doing it was a massive undertaking i'm sure i mean all credit to dan lambert because dan lambert he's been doing this from the beginning yeah that fucking guy i mean he is the reason why these super camps got started.

[705] Dan Lambert put his own money.

[706] And then the new ATT, they built, he built himself from the ground up, built the whole fucking building.

[707] And, you know, I haven't seen it in person.

[708] I have friends that have gone to visit it, but I've seen it in videos.

[709] And it's, holy shit.

[710] Yeah, it's phenomenal.

[711] I went inside of it.

[712] Dan's the man. Yeah, Dan's the good guy, man. You know, after the whole thing with the Black Zillions, you know, him and I got to have a chance to spend some time together and just, and just, and just.

[713] talk you know right there was so much weird animosity it was weird and then the ufc put that show together yeah it's like i inherited beef with people that i didn't even know i i didn't even say hello to them you know what i'm saying that's so crazy and i just inherited this beef and i was like you know it's silly and especially the fact that a t is like literally right down the street from my house it would be closer to go there than anywhere else but it was weird for a while but actually talking to dan and actually getting to know him and you know it was um it was it was a good It was a good thing because, you know, I got to get a lot of respect for him and just for what he's done with American top team and the ATT in general.

[714] No, he's a, he's a brilliant guy.

[715] I love that guy as a person.

[716] I'm a big fan of his.

[717] I just love that a person like that, like Dan Lambert, can literally change the course of MMA by setting an example.

[718] Yeah.

[719] And by having a gym that sets an example that's such an insanely high level.

[720] So big, so many world -class fighters there are so much.

[721] Strength and conditioning, everything under one roof, dorms, everything.

[722] I think that was a thing that kind of, you know, that kind of pushed things in that, in that position for Glenn, you know.

[723] Right, he had to keep up.

[724] He had to keep up, or he was trying to outdo.

[725] He was not trying to do Dan Lambert.

[726] I always wanted to do something that Dan wasn't doing, you know.

[727] Good luck with that.

[728] It's a good way to go broke, man. That's a good way to spend a lot of money, I'll tell you that.

[729] Yeah.

[730] Yeah, there's, I mean, there's a lot of super camps out there.

[731] now.

[732] It's interesting to see these places.

[733] You have TriStar in Montreal.

[734] You have Duke Rufus in Milwaukee.

[735] You have Jackson, Winklejohn, and Albuquerque.

[736] You got A .K .A. You know, it's when you first started, there was not that many places.

[737] No, there really wasn't.

[738] And to even get what we wanted out of it, you know, there's three gyms that we can go through.

[739] We'll go to either Jackson's in Albuquerque.

[740] We'll go to TriStar in Montreal, or we'll go to Denver, and we'll work with Trevor Whitman in Denver.

[741] So we had the three camps that we bounce around from.

[742] And that's where we go to get the most work.

[743] And it worked for a while.

[744] You know, it worked for a while for the most part.

[745] But just all that traveling, it just became hard to do.

[746] That has to wear on you when you're in the middle of a camp and you're staying in hotels.

[747] Yeah, it does.

[748] It's like when I was in camp, I really wouldn't travel too much.

[749] But like when, so what we would do is that if Nate Marquart was in camp and he wanted to stay at home most of the time.

[750] So we'll stagger it where, you know, he'll have a tough guy in camp every single time.

[751] So I'll be a couple weeks when George wasn't there or when Keith wasn't there, you know?

[752] And then sometimes we'll all come together.

[753] But for the most part, we'll just all rotate into these gyms depending on who was fighting and who needed to work.

[754] He's a guy that I feel is underappreciated.

[755] Nate Marquart, when he was at the very top of his game, was a fucking assassin.

[756] Oh, Nate Marquart was...

[757] Ooh!

[758] That knockout Tyron Woodley and Strike Force to this day is one of the nastiest in tight elbow combination knockouts.

[759] I think I've ever, like a video game knockout.

[760] See, Nate Marquardt was one of those guys.

[761] I'm like, oh, man, you'll get anxiety before training and practice because you knew it was going to be a hard goal.

[762] Like, my training growing up in a sport was just, it was difficult, man, you know, training with GSP, Keith Jardine, Nate Markor, Joey Vila Senor, Mike Van Arsdale.

[763] And, you know, even Ali Abdulaziz was even up in a mix, too.

[764] But it was, you know, it was training with guys who, like, it was a hard go all the time, you know.

[765] And, and Nate was one of those guys.

[766] Then I'm just like, oh, my gosh, this dude is not going to get tired.

[767] You know what I'm saying?

[768] He's good everywhere.

[769] He's super strong.

[770] It was just like, one of those, one of those, one of those like, all right, I got to bring it in order to compete today.

[771] Yeah, he was in that, he had this weird transition between UFC and the UFC and.

[772] strike force where people kind of forgot about him and then when he came back to the ufc you know he had some real good fights but he had already had a really long career yeah he had already had some really tough fights and then really tough fights and training too right yeah yeah and that's the thing like back then we we weren't really too too smart like Greg would kill us in training like we'd do some shit that you'd be like oh my gosh like one time Greg had us doing like some buddy carries we're on the side of the sandia mountains and there's like you know was like two or three feet and you'll fall to like your death and then we had to do like these buddy carry these wedding carriers where I'm holding Keith like this the fuck out of yeah and you'll fall to your death and like if you if you make a mistake you know there wasn't much room for mistake if I would have fell down then we would have we would have fell but uh you take and we had to rotate every 60 steps fuck that and Greg and Greg was like Greg was always on the like you know like mental like yo you got to be ready to die you got to be ready to face death let's let's get it seek death meanwhile he's such a sweetie in the corner i know but in the corner he's hey how you doing rash oh my gosh he's looking great he'll take us that's why he does it because he knows what he did you in training right i can't imagine that buddy carries or wedding carry like that and you're literally if you fall you die you die yeah and then there was like one little slip and he's like all right let's let's change things up go on his back and I'm like what yeah fuck out of here Greg you go on his back bitch what are you doing what are you talking about yeah that's so crazy it was crazy man but that was um that was a good time this mental toughness training huh yeah that was a mental toughness training well you guys that albuquerque team was always known for having crazy endurance I mean that had to come from some of that grit had to come from those hill workouts you guys would do we had a lot of grit because of those workouts that we did we did the one where we do uh the sand dunes oh the worst man you you would cry like you had to carry somebody up doing the sand dunes and then if you didn't carry them all the way up then you had to do it again until you compete until you completed it like you were like you were literally see grown ass man crying just like i can't do it no more that's a good way to get injured too though unfortunately yeah it's like there's this fine line between pushing really hard and fucking somebody up.

[773] Yes, yeah.

[774] I think now they've kind of figured it out, but just the mental aspect, it paid off big dividends.

[775] Like, and I'll talk to Dana White, and Dan, like, bro, you were so fucking crazy back then.

[776] You were so paranoid.

[777] I'm like, your Dana White impression.

[778] You were paranoid back then?

[779] I mean, I was a fighter, man. Fighters are always paranoid.

[780] You have to be paranoid if you're a fighter.

[781] You have to think that everybody's trying to take something from you right it's just it's just the mindset but he'll say I was crazy I was paranoid because I didn't really trust them back then but I'm just he's a promoter right and then and then on top of that you know you had you had you had Greg Greg Jackson I was telling you like you know that they want they want to get you out of it man they want to get you out the UFC man go ahead and just go ahead and just quit Evans just quit right now man I know you want to give up they want to get you out here anyways man like no no I ain't going to quit and show him you're not going to quit I don't want to see it let's go Jesus Christ.

[782] Yeah, it's a, it was a good time over there, man. When you first started fighting, how much striking training had you done before you decided to compete in MMA?

[783] Because you had this wrestling base.

[784] Did you have any striking training growing up?

[785] Did you do any boxing?

[786] I did some boxing.

[787] Yeah?

[788] And I did some karate too.

[789] I did tank pseudo.

[790] Oh, okay.

[791] Yeah, I did tank pseudo for like a few years from the time I was like 13.

[792] 13 to like 16 that makes sense because you always had good kicks yeah yeah like that sean salmon knockout but you know i never i never utilized my kicks like i should have my mom will always be like every time and rachat listen jo roger jose she always says something that jo rogan said richard jo rogan said you need to pass the guard richard i'm like mom i don't even know what they should have the guard is i need to pass the guard like what my gosh that's hilarious when i fought shon salmon she she's the one who told me to throw rishat throw your kicks like bruce lee rishat and then when i threw the kick and knocked them down at the next day i talked her on the phone she said richard that was a good kick and i was like okay but i don't like that dirty shit though and i was like mom what you talking about richard you knew he was knocked out you didn't have to hit him again oh wow your mom said that i'm like ma i can't you can't you can't can't tell you just got to keep going like the referee say don't stop until i stop you and i was just in the fight and she's like but still wish i shit that dirty shit oh that's so funny yeah i was kind of surprised that you were an head kicking more people unconscious after that you know that's the thing man i needed i needed to really really step out of my game and make sure i stepped out of my game more and more often.

[793] But I just, you know, after I switched, switch things up and went, and went from, you know, Jackson's to, to Florida, it was different because Mike Winklejohn, he was my guy.

[794] Like, it was like, me and Mike Winklejohn had a really good relationship.

[795] And he would, he would work with me. And a lot of times we would work together.

[796] It was like, it was like a counseling session.

[797] We would just talk about life.

[798] You know what I'm saying?

[799] In between stuff.

[800] We talked about everything.

[801] And it was a fun training session, you know.

[802] And that's when, you know, he'll instilling me all these different things.

[803] You know, he would like, oh, yeah, that kick is going to work.

[804] That kick is going to work.

[805] You know, even with the overhand right, when I caught Chuck Liddell, he was telling me, oh, yeah, that's the punch that's going to catch him.

[806] That's going to catch him.

[807] That when I caught Chuck the day before I was hitting that move because I was super nervous and I was hitting the overhand right and then left hook combination.

[808] And then you say, oh, yeah, that's, that's going to be the punch.

[809] You know, you're going to hit him with that, and you're going to knock him out, and I'm not going to be able to get into the cage and congratulate you.

[810] That's what he said to me, word for word.

[811] And I'm just like, no way.

[812] And then it happened.

[813] I'm just like, oh, shit, it happened just like you said.

[814] That was like a gunshot.

[815] I remember that shot.

[816] I remember you landed that shot, the smack of your fist, hitting Chuck, and then seeing Chuck crumbles, like, holy shit.

[817] Was that your most satisfying victory?

[818] Yeah, I think so.

[819] it definitely was just because like going into that fight job like the media sometimes can be so damn disrespectful you know what I'm saying like they were just kind of like the questioning was like you know what have you even done to fight a guy like Chuck LaDelle like I mean people are asking you I mean pretty much in so many words like you know what have I even done you had already at that point in time had you fought for the title no that was before you fought for the title yeah before I fought for the title and you it was the fight for the title and it was the fight for the title and you it was the fight for you before the fight before right fight before yeah i only got a chance to fight for the title because i beat chuckleda was supposed to fight for the title that i was a serve -up to fight for the title oh wow yeah wow yeah that was that was a server well the media was a little sloppy back then yeah so so there's some really good guys out there now and gals that are covering mma where they're real journalists they really are like real sports journalists back then it was like anybody with a camera who liked fights was also a lot of people that were trying to get attention just by being douchey yeah there was a lot of douchey sports guy talk yeah i fucking hate that stuff that that was driving me crazy would be real disrespectful to fighters real dismissive of fighters so going into the fight i felt that disrespect and i was like you know what man all right i'm like i don't care what happens i'm like this i got i got a leash at least give a good showing for myself you know and that's and that's all i really cared about doing you know i went out i walked out to the song um immortal technique is called uh that's my boy yeah mortal i love that dude he's my friend oh yeah he's cool man i love him yeah i came out to the song uh point of no return and and that song just really solidified everything i was feeling at that moment you know like like it you know there's a verse in there it says you know the place that i'm from doesn't exist anymore and I knew after I walked out to that fight you know life would never be the same whether I won or lost so that was the big moment that was the big moment there was no I was not going to be the same Rashad after that fight no matter what happened a moral technique has such great lyrics he's so smart so smart dude I'm so politically aware geopolitically aware he's got so much depth to his lyrics I love that dude yeah he's he's like one of those guys you listen to and you just kind of keep putting it back yeah yeah yeah he just saying oh shit he's got a lot of oh shit lyrics yeah like oh shit a lot of things that he says you know you go and you look it up out the way it's like okay you know he definitely had me uh looking up some things after i listen to him dude you fought one the ultimate fighter as a heavyweight which is so crazy i know because if you look at me now i'm like what do you wait now what are you missing like 200 pounds 200 pounds wow too yeah that is like a 170 now yeah in this day and age yeah 200 pounds but i feel but i feel good though man i feel really really good and um it's it's a level that i i didn't expect it i didn't expect to feel this good i didn't think that a diet can make me feel this good what is what it's particularly makes you feel so good in what way um my energy i have an energy level that it's really hard to to say it kind of feels a bit supernatural in a bit you know like I feel I feel I feel like my body's energy it feels it's kind of hard to say it's kind of like not hard to say it's kind of hard to describe without looking crazy but you're obviously by following this vegan diet I'm seeing all these supplements you're taking spirulina and all these different things you're obviously doing it right which is You know, there's a lot of people that, they're, they're vegan, but they're eating, like, pasta and pizza and shit like that.

[820] They're just not, they're not doing it correctly in terms of taking the proper amount of nutrients.

[821] Right.

[822] And that's, and that's the thing about it.

[823] Like, I, um, I read this book, The Mucoseless Diet, and it's by Dr. Arnold Erritt.

[824] And this is, like, in the early 1900s, he came up with this book and he had some stomach issues.

[825] And it was, you know, not until he was fed up and was on like, you know what?

[826] like he was starving himself and then he realized he had some really you know uh it kind of changes his his stomach situation so then he started looking into diet and nutrition and then he um he became a fruitarian and this book is talking about pretty much you know the role of food in your body and what it does and what causes mucus and what doesn't cause mucus and um you know through understanding the mucus has died and just reading it it just gave me a different hold on understanding, like a different understanding of the, of why I'm doing this, you know, and it came, it became to me deeper than just like, oh, I can't have this because, you know, the diet says I shouldn't have it.

[827] It says, I can't have it because, you know, this is going to cause inflammation.

[828] You know, I, I know the deeper reason of why.

[829] So it's easier for me to avoid the pitfalls of bad food, you know?

[830] There's also a situation with people where there's everyone, there's a, there's a biological variability where some people some diets just sink up well for them like i know i know a lot of people that they don't feel good when they eat red meat when they eat fish they feel great yeah when they eat light foods you know their body whatever for whatever it is their digestion favors certain type of diet yeah and that's what i found too because um uh i don't i don't know if this will work for everybody it probably won't work for i mean it most likely it won't work for everybody but for me It was something that my body just was like, oh, it's about time you started to start to treat us the right way, you know?

[831] Interesting.

[832] And the crazy part about it is the fact that now I train less, but I can train harder.

[833] Like now I can do sparring sessions where, like, I spar for like an hour straight.

[834] Really?

[835] Yeah.

[836] And I'm, and I'm sparring at a pretty good pace.

[837] Like, I'm not, like, like, it's smart sparring.

[838] Like, we're not, like, bashing each other in the head and shit like that.

[839] We're being smart about it.

[840] You know, we're doing, you know, a little bit lighter to the head, but more more heavy shots to the body, you know, making those ones count and just kind of like touching, you know, giving a nice shot to the head, but not a, like, I'm going to knock you out type of shot to the head.

[841] What type of foods are you eating?

[842] Like, how are you, what is, like, give me a typical meal for you?

[843] Typically speaking, it all depends on the time of the day, but I don't eat no more enough fast.

[844] up until noon or until like 1 o 'clock and then my first meal are you on like a 16 hour or 14 hour like 16 intermittent fast and then um once i eat i usually eat like uh like i'll come home and i eat you know maybe like a hearty hearty shake that i make a fruit and then i'll put some um you know some some mushrooms and stuff in it and just like uh you know the cordyceps the the lions main and you know from this brand life cycle.

[845] Sure.

[846] You heard of your life cycle?

[847] Okay.

[848] So that brand right there makes us, you know, really good tincture that you just drop it in there.

[849] And you don't got to worry about changing the flavor of too much of your shake.

[850] So I dropped that in there with my shakes and stuff like that.

[851] And I usually take that.

[852] That would be my first meal.

[853] Then the second one would be a little bit more hardy.

[854] It would be something with vegetables and maybe some potatoes or something.

[855] So it's a little bit more hardy.

[856] And then I'll have another hearty meal.

[857] like a vegetable -type meal, vegetable -based meal, at nighttime.

[858] And then I'll usually be done for the day.

[859] Are you using any protein powders, pea -protein, hemp protein, anything along those lines?

[860] No, I don't use any protein powder.

[861] Just vegetables, raw vegetables, raw vegetables and fruit.

[862] Interesting.

[863] Yeah, and I don't really feel like I have a need for it.

[864] I feel like my muscle mass is pretty good.

[865] Like, I don't feel like I'm too skinny or, like, I don't, I'm not gaining any muscle.

[866] I feel like I can gain muscle.

[867] And, you know, it's just been working for me. So basically you just eat to feel good, like, however it makes you feel good.

[868] Yeah, I've right.

[869] And you've got it down now, you know, like what kind of foods.

[870] It's, the supplement thing gets strange with vegans.

[871] You know, there's a lot of folks that they're mixing a lot of different dietary yeasts and a lot of different powders and different things.

[872] and blending these different things and it's uh some people don't like the way that feels when you're eating like that but it sounds like what you're eating is much more whole food based yeah my mine is just whole food based like a lot of the foods that i became actually a good cook now because of the fact that i had to learn to cook my own food uh my wife she was busy uh becoming you know busier on her own doing her own thing so she wasn't able to cook for me like she was before but then i i learned myself and uh through learning myself it just completely just like took the shackles off of off of me you know what i right so now i cook your own nice meals yeah so now i um i cook a lot of like west indian type of foods because they have a really good vegetarian uh menu like a lot of chickpeas um and and things of that nature there's a really good vegetarian indian place around here that i go to sometimes i love i love indian food yeah it's really good i haven't gone a month because i've been on this carnivore diet but this uh this place was fantastic like real interesting, weird, you know, vegetable dishes.

[873] Everything's vegetarian.

[874] You know, it's, I guess it's, with them, it's a religious thing.

[875] A lot of Indians are vegetarian.

[876] Yeah, vegetarian.

[877] And that's, and I like a lot of Indian food just because of that, you know.

[878] And that whole food diet, it just, it just works for me. But like, like you said, like these supplements like this, this makes me, like, I feel like when I drink this, like the spirulina and just eat a lot of greens.

[879] And even, even like the mushrooms, you know, the quarter -set mushrooms and stuff like that, Like, I just have energy to just go and go and go.

[880] Is that lifestyle cycle tincture?

[881] Somebody gave me some of that recently.

[882] Yeah, yeah.

[883] I got to have them send you some.

[884] I got to have them send you some.

[885] I got to have them seeing some.

[886] They send, like, they have a really nice tincture set that they send out.

[887] I should have bring it.

[888] But it has, like, it has Rishi, it has turkey tail, lions mane, the cordyceps.

[889] And it even gives you, you know, a schedule on when you should take it and when it's best for.

[890] But it's a really, really good, good mushrooms because, you know, they put, they infuse theirs with this, it's cockadoo plum.

[891] It's a cockadoop plum.

[892] You ever hear of that?

[893] No, it's a funny name.

[894] Yeah, I know.

[895] Cockadoop is from Australia, and it's like one of the most high in vitamin C fruits there is, like it's way higher in vitamin C than oranges and everything else like that.

[896] Cockatoo plum.

[897] Yeah, cockadoop plum.

[898] Okay.

[899] K -A -K -A -D -U plumb.

[900] That sounds like something that a little kid would be eating now.

[901] That's a cockadoo plant.

[902] What?

[903] But that's, I mean, they, um, it's a really, really good supplement.

[904] And I don't really like to recommend supplements too much, but that's one that I take and I'm like, man, I feel, I feel way better off.

[905] Do you eat a lot of beats?

[906] I do.

[907] I do eat, I do, I do, I do, beats are really good.

[908] Beats are really good.

[909] Beats are supposed to be really good for endurance.

[910] yeah beats are really good but it's crazy like just eating greens like i've been eating greens i just don't i feel like i don't get tired like i used to like my body's just instantly recovering what was your old diet like what would what was it like when you're training for a fight would typical meals be like um it was pretty clean but it was uh i would eat a lot of meat i would eat a lot of meat and and uh i'm o positive so i'll eat like a lot of red meat and i felt really good when i ate red meat like it felt as if like when I eat red meat it almost felt like I can feel it like within like the next 20 30 minutes like my body breaks it down really fast you know yeah so I felt I felt good eating it but I didn't feel like I had the like the endurance like I didn't feel the endurance aspect like I do right now you know I see what you're saying so that that's been a like the best that I ever felt was when I um fought Tito Ortiz I was eating I was eating red meat, but I also was coupling that up with a lot of spinach.

[911] I was eating a lot of spinach.

[912] Like, I would go and get a big bag of spinach.

[913] Yeah, that's exactly what I was doing.

[914] I'll get a big bag of spinach and I'll just put it in a blender and just grind it up and then throw like some apples in it to make it a little bit sweeter to change the taste so it wouldn't be so greenish like I'm even grass.

[915] And then I would just drink those all the time, but it just made me feel so strong.

[916] Interesting.

[917] Interesting.

[918] Now, did you used to work with the nutritionist at all?

[919] I did yeah I did I work with um because when you were cutting weight like how many fights did you have at 85 uh two two fights to 85 was that too much of a struggle yeah it was too much of a struggle like I'm in a weird position because I'm not I'm not I'm not a very big person I'm not big enough to be a light heavy weight but I'm not small enough to be a middle weight either like and feel like I can you know like so I was like in that weird weird space so when I cut down to 185 I felt like it felt drained drained drained I just didn't have the movement in the pop, you know, but then at 205, I kind of felt undersized, you know?

[920] Back then, what did you walk around at?

[921] Back then, I was walking around around like 225, 2 .30.

[922] And what was different?

[923] Because it was from eating the meat, you think?

[924] Yeah, from eating to meat, from eating the meat, I would get.

[925] That alone has got to probably increase your endurance, just the loss of that much body mass. Yeah.

[926] 20 plus pounds that your body doesn't have to pump blood through.

[927] Yeah, you're absolutely right about that, you know.

[928] Yeah.

[929] So that just came off naturally when you stopped eating meat.

[930] Yeah.

[931] And another thing, too, like I would, you know, this is another reason why, like, because when I wasn't fighting, that was the problem because I would get into these bad eating habits because I would always know that when I had training camp, I can just cut the weight and just lose it like that.

[932] But after a while, that just becomes your habit, anything you do over time, that becomes your having it becomes your lifestyle and i was eating a lot of sugar drinking a lot of booze and shit like that so i was like man i need to make a change for my life for the rest of my life you know right and that's why this whole lifestyle fits so much better than me you know do you think that would have changed your career had you eaten this way back when you were competing i think so i think it would have but at the same time i don't i don't know in which way you know right it may have been too chill yeah yeah i feel like because you're so calm now yeah i feel yeah i I feel like I was what I needed to be at the time I needed to be it, you know?

[933] I see.

[934] And I feel like there are some aspects of my awareness because that's what I would call it more than anything.

[935] I hate to say, oh, I'm woke now because I hate that whole woke thing.

[936] But I feel real woke is great.

[937] Yeah, but real woke.

[938] But you know what it is?

[939] The problem is people could take it too far and then really it's about getting other people to comply with your idea of work.

[940] And then it becomes almost like a religion.

[941] You just want people to comply with your ideas about how to speak and how to talk and how to live.

[942] Exactly.

[943] You just become a dictator, a little woke dictator.

[944] That's what it is.

[945] But the idea of like being woke, meaning aware, you're spiritually cognizant of your effect on people, the life that you live.

[946] And that's all beautiful.

[947] That's great.

[948] The problem is it gets abused because people want to pretend that they have virtue.

[949] So they adopt this woke pattern and then they try to force it on other people.

[950] And then they're fucking annoying.

[951] And then it pisses other people that may be like inclined to think that maybe it's good to be kinder, good to be more.

[952] And then they hear those fucks and they're like, fuck these people.

[953] I'm going to vote for Trump again.

[954] Yeah.

[955] And that's what happens.

[956] I hear that.

[957] I definitely hear that.

[958] I hear that because that's what, that's how I would say it.

[959] Like for me, it was more or less just awareness.

[960] of of myself and I didn't really I was aware of myself but I didn't really have the awareness like I didn't like how do I it's it's almost to the point where I'm just more cognizant of every single choice that I make you know and and and just um and that's something I really didn't didn't care about or really didn't think about before you know and just that awareness right there it it uh it brings a whole new different understanding of life but I was I was I was like that person when I was I first woke, I'm just like, oh man, why ain't this person woke?

[961] And I wanted to wake up everybody.

[962] And it was the most frustrating thing in the world.

[963] And that's why I was like, you know what?

[964] I just, I won't do it, man. Isn't that what always happens when people find something interesting?

[965] Like, that's what happens when people start doing CrossFit.

[966] It's happens when people start doing jujitsu.

[967] They just can't shut the fuck up about it.

[968] And it happens when people take on, you know, a new spiritual philosophy.

[969] Yeah.

[970] They, they want everybody to understand how they're doing it and that you should do it this way, too.

[971] When people believe in what they're doing, they want to share it.

[972] But they also want other people to do it, too, because if I can convince you to live my way, then it validates the way I'm living.

[973] Because, look, I got, Rashad's woke too now.

[974] Why don't you be woke?

[975] Right.

[976] And then, you know, and then you start just trying to spread it.

[977] But I think that, I mean, everybody has their own awakening, you know, and if some people may not have that in this life, you know, they may never have that.

[978] awakening but some people are burdened by their environment as well right there's too much stress and anxiety and you can't even see it so sometimes you don't have space and that's why i even give a nod to the psychedelics in that respect when when if you don't have the ability to have that mental space there is something that can help have you had that you know the insight that somebody who was who was doing all the meditation because all you really need to do is feel it to understand why you need to do it yes and and that's why i was i'm lucky that i was able to feel it so now it's nothing for me to meditate and and go to all these you know spiritual practice because i know that is something real but beforehand i was like man that shit is not real like i don't believe that man like oh yeah you feel an energy huh like i mean i used to i used to be one of those guys but until i went through it i'm just like you know you don't have that understanding well it's hard to see the you've got to have to trust the process.

[979] It's hard to see the result before you've experienced it.

[980] You kind of have to trust the process, go through it.

[981] Then something for me, a big one is yoga.

[982] I'm a big believer in yoga and not just for physical reasons, for mental reasons.

[983] It helps me tremendously.

[984] And when I don't do it, I'm good.

[985] I'm good.

[986] Like, legitimately, I should do yoga twice a week because I'm really only good for about three days after yoga class.

[987] Like, I need to just really balance out.

[988] If I was doing it three times a week, there's not a thing in the world that can fuck with me. Mentally, I'd be like, I'm fine.

[989] See, I've done the Beekrims yoga, and that shit was just so hot.

[990] I really couldn't, I really couldn't focus.

[991] That's the key, though.

[992] I know.

[993] That's a gets you true.

[994] I wasn't where I am right now.

[995] You should do it now.

[996] So tell me, like, when you, you go to Beekrim?

[997] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[998] Well, my place is not affiliated with Beekram anymore because he's, uh.

[999] got arrested for some scumbaggery.

[1000] He's actually been arrested, and I don't think he could come to America.

[1001] I think that's the thing.

[1002] I think he's got to, like, stay in hiding.

[1003] The thing about it, that guru life, that's the problem.

[1004] That is a problem.

[1005] It really is a problem when any one person has that much influence over so many people, particularly a male, having so much influence over females that worship him, especially if you're a scumbag.

[1006] And he, there's a thing about this.

[1007] He did not invent those postures, and he didn't even invent that sequence.

[1008] He brought it to America, and he popularized doing it in very hot rooms.

[1009] The benefits, though, forget him.

[1010] Take him out of the equation because there's so many people that practice it, and they've had incredible benefits from it.

[1011] It's really unfortunate that it's connected to this very controversial individual because then people associate Bikram Yoga with this guy that's been accused of multiple sexual.

[1012] assaults and rapes and all these different things but you take that away from him as a human being and the people that practice it what they get from it first of all you know exactly what you're going to do every day there's 26 postures and two breathing exercises one breathing exercise in the beginning 26 postures one breathing exercise at the end it's 90 minutes it's 90 minutes at 105 degrees and it's fucking brutal and I did it right before I got here I do it uh I'd like to do in the mornings first thing in the morning I do it before I've eaten anything I go go through a 90 -minute yoga class.

[1013] I really like doing it that way.

[1014] And then at the end of the day, I have a couple different places that I do it at.

[1015] I like to mix it up.

[1016] But that hot yoga for me is the way to go.

[1017] Because first of all, I know the postures.

[1018] They all serve a purpose in terms of like helping my body, helping my balance, keeping my flexibility, strengthening my joints.

[1019] There's so many really positive physical benefits from it.

[1020] And then two, the meditation aspect of it.

[1021] because no matter what kind of bullshit I have going on in my life, if I just breathe and think about the exercise.

[1022] And then, you know, my brain starts racing and I'll forget what I'm doing and I'll start thinking about other shit.

[1023] But I bring it back, bring it back, bring it back, breathe.

[1024] Just breathe.

[1025] You're not going anywhere for 90 minutes.

[1026] You're locked in this room.

[1027] Literally the door's locked when the class starts.

[1028] So I am just breathing and going through these.

[1029] And I know that I can get through it because I've done it a thousand times before.

[1030] Just breathe and get through it.

[1031] And there's a cleansing of like all the, Your brain, there's like residual, there's residue of like shitty thoughts bouncing around inside your brain.

[1032] Anxieties and fears and regrets and anger and frustration and all this shit that's in your head that just gets in the way of clear thinking.

[1033] It gets in the way of being able to see things in an objective, beneficial way.

[1034] And to be able to see things that way other people seem as well.

[1035] Like sometimes I, you know, I have an issue and I think a lot of people do that I don't see how other people are seeing.

[1036] seeing things.

[1037] I see how I see things.

[1038] And then I go, well, okay, let me, let me look at it from their way.

[1039] Let me just abandon, oh, no, no, well, they're fucking wrong.

[1040] That's why.

[1041] Abandon all that shit and try to look at it from other people's ways.

[1042] I feel like what yoga does for me is it allows me to be free.

[1043] It allows me to clean up all my preconceived notions and clean out all my misconceptions and just see things, see things for how they are.

[1044] And I always feel better, always.

[1045] See, I got to try that.

[1046] Oh, it's the best, especially now that you're on this vegan diet i'm telling you you're on that path anyway the yoga is it's just so good for straightening your fucking head out man i always wanted to try that kondalini yoga that's the shit that's supposed to make you trip yeah i've had a bunch of friends do it they said i have my friend denny he's he's done it and had like serious and he's done DMT too he's like dude it's the same goddamn thing that's what you have full -blown visions you have full -blown psychedelic visions See, that's the thing, like, when I, like, when I do, like, the DMT, I don't have, like, I don't have, like, it's weird.

[1047] I don't have, like, those visions.

[1048] Those visions.

[1049] Okay, that's because you're doing five methoxy dimethylptomy.

[1050] The visions come from N -N dimethylptomy.

[1051] Yeah, yeah.

[1052] Totally different thing.

[1053] I've done both.

[1054] I've done that before.

[1055] You've done it, and you have no visions?

[1056] No, I have visions, which is kind of like, it's just like silly things, though, sometimes.

[1057] Like I've seen Like one time I did it I've seen like this Half like it was like I awake and I'm in the place And I'm just with These three massive beings like tall as a building And they were like half human And they were half snake And like had a snake from the waist down And had a human from the waist up But had like a snake face Whoa Yeah and that's that was one of the divisions that I What do you think that represented?

[1058] I don't know, but it was weird because during that experience, it was like they were all, like I was, all three of them were staring at me, and they were looking down.

[1059] And then one of them reached for me, and then I started going up, and then I started going around their body.

[1060] And then I went around the body, and then as I was going around the body, every once in a while, I would see the face of, of it, and it was like open up like a cobra, and then it would close.

[1061] but it wasn't scary it wasn't terrifying and i went all the way up the body and it was like i was able to see from another angle like me up in the body and and then it like opened me up like a like a flower or something like that it was weird and then my trip went like super super fast so you definitely have had visions yeah i just can't can't quite make out like what it What's it supposed to be?

[1062] Yeah, what's it supposed to be?

[1063] I had a bunch of jokers giving me the finger the last time.

[1064] A bunch of gestures, like court gestures.

[1065] See, I don't have seen nothing like that, man. It was ridiculous.

[1066] They were all like, fuck, fuck, fuck you, all like circling me. Like infinite numbers of, gosh.

[1067] Basically, the feeling that I got was like, oh, I take myself too seriously.

[1068] And these gestures were just going, fuck you.

[1069] Like, you don't like that.

[1070] You don't like when someone goes, fuck you.

[1071] No, so they were going, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck you.

[1072] And there was like, but they weren't saying the words, but they were definitely giving me the finger.

[1073] But there was like an infinite number of gestures surrounding me going, like giving me like this vibrating finger.

[1074] And I was like, oh, but it was clear what they were saying.

[1075] Like, hey, bitch, you take yourself too seriously.

[1076] And then I was like, you're right, you're right.

[1077] And when I was I was saying, you're right, they're like nod at me like, mm -hmm.

[1078] Okay.

[1079] See, that's what I like, I like to be able to work.

[1080] Like, that's work right there.

[1081] Like you went, you went and you work through something, you know?

[1082] Yes, yes.

[1083] I think when you work too hard at something and you're trying to achieve something, like oftentimes you think very highly of yourself.

[1084] Like, I should, you know, my Netflix special is going to be the shit.

[1085] I'm going to, this is going to be the best one I've ever done.

[1086] I'm going to fucking show everybody how good this is.

[1087] And they were like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck you.

[1088] And I was like, okay, all right.

[1089] Yeah, you're right.

[1090] I was like, you're right.

[1091] This is silly.

[1092] It's like I'm just alive for a certain amount of time.

[1093] And I shouldn't think that way.

[1094] I mean, there's part of you that gets trapped in thinking that way because you're trying to do something, but you don't have to think that way to do the thing.

[1095] Right.

[1096] You know?

[1097] Yeah.

[1098] So that's the thing like those visions and being able to, like when I did ayahuasca, I didn't have any visions, man. I didn't have anything.

[1099] Like I had a, I got into a pretty good space, but I wasn't, like I didn't have like the typical teaching lessons everybody else has when they do something like that.

[1100] That seems like you probably didn't get a strong enough dose.

[1101] No, I did, I did three large, two large cups.

[1102] The thing is with that, and I'm speaking just from people talking to me about it, because I've only done the pure DMT.

[1103] I haven't done the ayahuasca.

[1104] Oh, you haven't done the ayahuasca.

[1105] People say that a lot of these people that are making it, they're not making, either they're not making it correctly or they're making a light dose because they're worried about gringoes going crazy and, you know, and they don't want to be responsible for that.

[1106] shit so I know people that have gone and they've had these experiences where they've done it with someone in america or someone who's done through a more commercial sort of organization and it wasn't really that strong or profound and then they went and did it with someone who was real someone was making some fucking super high grade you know 97 octane shit and that's what i need that's what i me because I feel like after that I felt like like damn I must be I must be broke man I'm like like I must be I must be I must be broken like I can't like I can't even feel the the damn ayahuasca but it it um it was it brought like it didn't it didn't give me the experience I wanted it but it gave me the experience that I needed you know and that's and that's something that I got after I was like over the disappointment of it I was like you know what?

[1107] I didn't get what I wanted, but I definitely got what I needed, you know, because whenever you're sitting in circle and stuff like that, it's always an amazing cathartic thing where you just kind of just like shed and just go through those emotions.

[1108] Just watching other people, just be so raw with their emotions and just kind of feeling that, you know, just through symbiosis, you kind of like start to feel like the work come through you.

[1109] You know, that's how I felt anyways.

[1110] Now, are you working a lot with fighters now?

[1111] Are you working with young fighters are you doing in any official capacity or are you just doing it because you're at the gym um i i just do i just train because i'm at the gym but i like to uh i like to train with the guys when i'm in there because i go i go uh i can go out a good pace and i don't i don't mind if they hit me up a little bit you know and i and i will give them a look that some of some of the training partners you know won't give them uh so yeah i i i enjoy that aspect of it but i haven't been like oh you know i'm going to i'm going to come in here i haven't dedicated myself to someone's full camp you know one of the reasons why I say is because a lot of people that I talk to that have trained with you and work with you one of the things they really like about you is your guidance is that you're a guy that they could sit down and talk to about things and you have a very learned and wise perspective and that that could be especially with you know you consider your successful career that could be like very beneficial for young fighters coming up and I just wanted to know like had you ever thought about becoming a trainer yeah I think about all the time and I have um I I work with some fighters now.

[1112] Like I have this team out in Michigan is team Mercilago that, my old coach by King of Rodriguez.

[1113] He's like the head guy there.

[1114] But him and I work together.

[1115] We try to bring some of the fighters out and try to get them to like the bigger shows and stuff like that.

[1116] But those fighters, you know, I work with a lot.

[1117] You know, my godson is one of those fighters there, Devin Smith, you know, and I work with him and trying to get him to just, you know, not only fight at a certain level, but mentally bring himself to a certain level, you know.

[1118] And he's always hated because he's always like, man, you always try to be like, like, Yoda, try to give me a Yoda lesson.

[1119] I'm like, no, I'm not trying to be Yoda.

[1120] I'm just trying to, I just want to tell you, you know.

[1121] I'll be like, yeah, because one time he hit me up, he's like, oh, man, I'm ready to come down.

[1122] I'm ready to train.

[1123] I'm like, okay, you're ready to come and train?

[1124] I'm like, all right, so have you been training?

[1125] And he's like, no. And I'm like, hmm.

[1126] And I'm like, so what makes you think is going to be different if you come and train with me?

[1127] I mean, you still have to train.

[1128] and he's like, I better get to the gym, huh?

[1129] That's one of the weirdest conversations I've ever had with people that go, you know what, man, if I train, I think I'd be a fucking world champion.

[1130] Like, okay, I don't even know where to start with that.

[1131] Right.

[1132] I don't even know what to say there, okay?

[1133] If I've meditated, I think I can see through walls.

[1134] I'm not going to meditate, though.

[1135] Like, what does that mean?

[1136] I know.

[1137] People have weird ways of looking at themselves, you know, where they just decide they're special without putting in any work.

[1138] You know, like they decide there's something about them that makes them different and they want that to be the case but they don't want to work towards it it's a weird trap that you see in young people where they just convince themselves there's something significant about them you know and that's a real problem with young guys that get into fighting that have a delusional perspective and they'll accept fights they shouldn't accept yeah so like i'll fight that motherfucker that guy has 30 fights you have one you're crazy you know but that i think that i see that more with with the kids and it's this next generation just because we're such a voyeuristic community I mean society now and I think now people just see somebody like oh yeah I can I can do that but not really realize and like you said all the the guts that go into what make them good at what they do well this this lessons that are out there if you just pay attention look here's a great lesson Connor McGregor versus Floyd Mayweather one guy has zero pro boxing matches one guy's the greatest of all time yeah and somehow another they sold this on this thing and we all paid money, me included, and we've watched this fight.

[1139] That was exactly how any expert would tell you it's going to go down.

[1140] Floyd's going to fuck him up.

[1141] There's another one, maybe even more egregious one, because at least Connor McGregor was a world champion combat sports athlete and a wicked fighter.

[1142] There was a lion fight where they had Lerdzilla.

[1143] Do you know who Lerdzilla is?

[1144] No, I don't know who they were there.

[1145] Ooh, he's a motherfucker.

[1146] This tie dude, he's a motherfucker.

[1147] And he fought this dude with zero pro -moytai fights.

[1148] I think Lurdzilla has 300 moitai fights and he fought this dude and played with him and then head kicked him into another dimension.

[1149] But he head kicked him off the front leg, just wha!

[1150] Just in the dude folded.

[1151] It's a crazy It's a crazy chaos.

[1152] How did the fight even get set up like that?

[1153] I don't know.

[1154] I think maybe he had another opponent and that opponent got injured and dropped out.

[1155] And then this MMA fighter decided to try his hand at Muay Thai, so he jumped in there in a moitai fight against arguably one of the greatest multi -fighters alive.

[1156] You should watch Lerdzilla's highlight reel.

[1157] First of all right, he's super elusive.

[1158] He's an unusually elusive fighter, but he hit this motherfucker with a left high kick just off the front leg, just whipped it up off the front leg and caught him on the chin and folding them.

[1159] And I was like, that, whoever said yes to that fight, whatever commission allowed that fight to take place, you guys should have to go to trial.

[1160] Oh, yeah.

[1161] Someone should sit down with you and go, how the fuck did you allow this to take place?

[1162] That's sad.

[1163] That sounds crazy as hell, man. Zero pro fights versus 300.

[1164] I mean, maybe he didn't have 300.

[1165] Maybe he had 264 or some crazy shit like that.

[1166] But he's Lerdzilla.

[1167] I mean, Lerdzilla is a famous Muay Thai fighter.

[1168] Oh, did you find it?

[1169] Yeah, here it is.

[1170] Oh, that's the dude after he got crumpled.

[1171] But you go before that, go before that, so you could watch.

[1172] I mean, Lerdzill is just fucking him up from the beginning And credit to the dude for thinking he could take the fight and stepping up But Lurzilla basically just battered this fucking guy You can tell a look on his face he's just playing with him Yes, well Lirdzill is brilliant man Look at that And that was one knockdown He got up after that Yeah, he knocked him out after that He knocked him out, watch his front leg, tipe, watch it smack Oh my gosh Yeah, folds him That's a complete total mismatch like if that dude was doing that and sparring to that guy everyone would be mad at him everybody would be like hey man this guy's not on your level don't fuck him up yeah take it light on him be nice look at his teep smack oh my god hands down not worried about shit playing with him and the whole fight's like that and Lurzilla's a beast man he's fun to watch he's that damn kick was lightning fast lightning fast off the teap and then no wind up no switch just cracks him in the face with it dude he's brilliant that guy's brilliant But that's a crazy mismatch.

[1173] So a guy could say, I'll fucking fight this guy.

[1174] Someone needs to grab you and go, hey man, no, no, don't do it.

[1175] You think you can hit the bag, you think you can hit hard, you think you can do all these things.

[1176] You're about to get in there with a master, a guy who has mastered this one particularly brutal combat sport.

[1177] Don't do that.

[1178] There's nothing worse than when you're in a match when you feel that damn outmatched by somebody.

[1179] I was doing jujitsu and I think I was going with a Hodra Gracie and I was felt like I was doing pretty I was like I feel like I'm pretty alright and then when I went with him he was just on me and it was just like just toying with me you know what I'm saying I felt like I couldn't make a right move and I'm just like man this sucks it's the worst it's the worst and then he got on top of me and normally if I get on somebody like I can hold them down pretty well but it was just a different level and I'm just like wow yeah those old school guys like haja gracie salo hubera jandre shanji hibero those guys have that pressure top game there's something about that old school jiu jutsu pressure game you know but sallo's a master at that you know shanji's a master at that um rachel levato's a master at that that smashing pressure game but hodger is not just to master that he's also like his physical attributes he's so long and tall yeah that that longness and he's smush he's got he's got like you know with that long leverage that tall strength oh yeah oh man that's a different kind of strength with somebody long and tall and strong oh my gosh well that's a big advantage john has yeah you see john use that on people yeah that long strength is the best grappling strength it's like those those guys that have that i feel like that body that John Jones body is a perfect body for MMA because he's strong he's tall he's tall and thin but he's also strong as fuck like he's muscled enough but he also has that extra length yeah and his legs are perfect too they're skinny at the you go down and get really skinny so they're really fast too yeah I'm just watching him throw kicks I'm like man he's throwing those legs like it's effortless you know his calves are ridiculous they don't even make sense like how are those on your body right how are those on your body you look at his shoulders his shoulders are massive They go down those little calves, like, what's going on here?

[1180] And he kicks the hell out of those little skinny legs, too.

[1181] Crazy.

[1182] And there hasn't been many people that have been able to exploit the fact those calves are so small.

[1183] You would think that, like, with this trend in calf kicks, Tiago Santos tried it.

[1184] He hit him with some good ones, for sure.

[1185] But John figures it out eventually, and then he just starts checking them.

[1186] He checked most of them against Dominic.

[1187] Most of those low calf kicks, he checked.

[1188] check them.

[1189] How did he just saw him coming?

[1190] How do you even check a lower leg kick?

[1191] Just turned, turned out, you know, turned out, just made it so that he was going shin to shin.

[1192] They went shin to shin a lot.

[1193] Yeah, I've seen that.

[1194] It's real hard to check though.

[1195] And it's really hard to check.

[1196] It's also real hard to just take, you could take those thigh kicks if you're conditioned a little bit.

[1197] And just like you said, like he had to make a choice to take it how he wanted it.

[1198] But he's still taking the shot.

[1199] Right.

[1200] He's still going shin to shin to shin.

[1201] Yeah, he's still going to shin to shin.

[1202] But they're both feeling it.

[1203] That's the difference.

[1204] They're both feeling it.

[1205] When you get the meaty part of that bone part, that's when you hit that sciatic nerve.

[1206] And that's when you shut down.

[1207] Like Chandler did, the key had no choice.

[1208] His leg was like, nope, not today.

[1209] So, Hugo, too, in the second fight with Mighty Mouse, his leg shut down.

[1210] Yeah, your nerve just shuts off and your foot doesn't work.

[1211] It's numb.

[1212] It's just dangling.

[1213] Try to stand on it.

[1214] It just collapses.

[1215] The Chandler fight, they were trying to tell him his leg's broken.

[1216] And he's like, I'm fucking fine.

[1217] Leave me alone.

[1218] you know and I think that fight should not have been stopped I think if you got to give but the referee should know and the doctor should know this is what happens if you just give it a few minutes to recover it okay to come back if he can survive the onslaught during that time his leg will come back and I think in Chandler probably would have and sohudo it did so who don't figure out how to just sort of chuck and jive with Mighty Mouse and I don't think Mighty Mouse knew the extent that his leg was numb but it but it recovered when you get hit like that though for a second you like this motherfucker is cheating like you feel like you feel it for a second you feel like this motherfucker is cheating because it hurts so bad and it's very rare to have something that hurt you immediately in mhm like there's there's not many strikes that can hurt you immediately right that's that's one of them that hurt you that nerve pain yeah you feel it immediately isn't it weird that that went on forever until benson henderson started doing it to people yeah he was the first in mMA in my opinion at a high level to start chopping at those lower legs Real low Real low Right above the ankle We fuck people up with that You will kill people with those low But now that is like That is the move Everybody's doing it now It's a staple It's funny how MMA does it though It goes to all these cycles now Yeah And I think now people are really Starting to find a home For those Those oblique kicks That John throws You know The Winkle John camp They're weird though Because if you graze off It leaves you in a weird place Because you're kind of Your foot's turned outward And you can get hit with punches You're in a weird punching range where you're not in a good stance to fire back because your foot is sort of pronated outside It's it's a great kick though you know who fucking throws a shit out of that Lorenz Larkin He throws that shit to the body when he fought Neil Magny He threw that oblique kick to the body and I was like oh my goodness That motherfucking kick though he can kick he can kick when I'm watching him kick I'm just like oh my gosh Yeah he's so fast too Oh my gosh yeah he I was really interested to see how he was going to do over in Bellator you know but then he had that crazy war with Paul Daly you can't get in war with Paul Daly no that dude's left hand is one of the best weapons in the sport period he got that one hitter he got that heat he has that left hand's ridiculous it's crazy right it's crazy it's stupid it's stupid just to have that power in his hands there's certain guys that just have that like rumble oh my god rumble and now he's going to come back as a heavy weight he said yeah and he's looking good he's in training he's in training now and Dude, Rumble versus Dominic Reyes, how about that?

[1219] How about that?

[1220] How about that?

[1221] Rumble scares the fuck out of everybody.

[1222] Like, you might beat him, but you also might get knocked into another dimension.

[1223] Because he hits, like, I've, like, when, I mean, he's been my trainer partner for the longest time.

[1224] And he knows, like, I'm like, Rumble, you know, don't.

[1225] Don't be going crazy, man. Oh, I'm like, I ain't go crazy, you know, I ain't go crazy.

[1226] And we train, we train smart.

[1227] But, I mean, there's a couple of times he hit me. I'm like, man, I'm not your friend anymore.

[1228] Fucking talk to me. Don't you fucking talk to me. I told you don't hit me like that.

[1229] Dude, when he knocked out Glover with one punch, I was like, holy shit.

[1230] You do that to Glover to Chera?

[1231] I know.

[1232] That's crazy.

[1233] And the thing about his punches is, like, you can't really gauge how, like, you don't know which one is going to be that shot because it kind of, they come at.

[1234] He likes to moves his hands around a lot, too, while you're on punching.

[1235] So you don't know which one's going to be the one to touch you.

[1236] Yeah, and they come from all angles.

[1237] Here he is in shape now.

[1238] He's been training with hoofed.

[1239] He looks good.

[1240] He looks gigantic.

[1241] It's so hard to believe that guy was ever 170.

[1242] I am so baffled by how the fuck he made that weight.

[1243] So this is over at the new gym Stanford.

[1244] Look at him, man. So what is the new gym called?

[1245] It's called Stanford.

[1246] The team is called Stanford MMMA now.

[1247] Okay, and who's running that?

[1248] It's the same people is Henry Hoof.

[1249] Sanford.

[1250] Yeah, Sanford.

[1251] No tea.

[1252] Sanford.

[1253] MMA.

[1254] Yeah.

[1255] And so it's all the black zillion guys.

[1256] Yep, all the black zillion guys.

[1257] Look at Rory and Robbie Lawler trained together there now.

[1258] Yeah, Rory's been there getting some work in the last couple weeks.

[1259] How long has this gym been around for?

[1260] Man, so this is H. Kickboxing.

[1261] Oh, okay.

[1262] It just has a different name.

[1263] Yeah, just different name.

[1264] So we just now moved into that gym on a more consistent basis.

[1265] It looks beautiful.

[1266] Yeah, I mean, they spent, I think like a couple million on it.

[1267] They spent some money on that gym and this is in the same place as uh the black zillians was the same area same area yeah yeah so we had we had the black zillion gym and then we went to a gym uh that's that was at this this um this like amusement park for kids it was like it's called extreme action park and that's what we had a section that we we had there and then they also added this gym too so now they're gonna have they're gonna keep that gym at extreme action park but also keep this one south florida man What a hotbed for martial arts, right?

[1268] It really is, man. So much jiu -jitsu down there.

[1269] Oh, man, you can, you got a cyborg right down the street, and cyborg is amazing, and, you know, Mario Sparry, not too far down in my name.

[1270] What happened with Mario?

[1271] Because Mario was the head coach for a while of the Black Zillions, right?

[1272] And he was inspirational as fuck.

[1273] Oh, Mario was the best, man. And I was like, ooh, I get goosebumps.

[1274] Yeah, Mario was the best.

[1275] I just think that him and, him and Glenn didn't work out when it came time to it and all the work and chemistry together.

[1276] You know, because that was the hardest thing because, you know, having all those different coaches and trying to not only have them get along with the fighters, but then have them get along with each other and not try to fight for that, you know, who's the main coach and who's the main guy, you know, and that's, you know, coaches sometimes are bigger egos than the fighters.

[1277] Right.

[1278] And sometimes it's more deadly because they, they're not accomplished.

[1279] And a lot of times they're coaching because they don't feel that accomplishment, you know.

[1280] So that coaching becomes that thing that they want to.

[1281] be validated for right right right and um you know but it's so hard to find that balance and the ones who find it they're so cherished the guys like mark henry the guys like trevor whitman you know i mean those those ferrassah hobby duke rufus those coaches that are like legit coaches that everybody loves man they're so cherished they are man they're so valuable because also for a fighter like Trevor whipman's holding pads for you like holy fuck i'm training with trevor motherfucking You know what I mean?

[1282] There's something to that.

[1283] If you go to Montreal and you're in Farrasah Hobby's gym, you're like, holy shit, that is Farras a hobby talking to me. Absolutely, man. There's some power to that.

[1284] And you start to believe it.

[1285] You start to believe anything they're saying.

[1286] He tells you you're good?

[1287] You're good.

[1288] Excellent.

[1289] Farras.

[1290] You're like, oh shit.

[1291] Farras just said that.

[1292] Yeah.

[1293] It's crazy, man, to see like where these, like Farras.

[1294] I remember when he wasn't even a coach, he was just a fighter.

[1295] Like when I first started going to Montreal, he wasn't the coach yet.

[1296] he was still fighting yeah wow he's still fighting he's such a good coach he is phenomenal but he's such a genius person when you talk to him yeah he's perspective on things he's so he's always recommending books and shit he's always recommending listen to this guy because this guy has the he told me about a competitive shooter what is that guy's name lemmy lemmy the guy who wrote that the winning mindset anyway he wrote it down somewhere I have the book at home that I have been reading lately where the fuck is it god damn it i can't remember but anyway point is he's always recommending me shit he's always got something something interesting that he's been paying attention to that he can relate to mma and to fighting and he's he's very very keenly aware of the mental battles that are going on and how much visualization is important and meditating lambie bassem yeah A guy was a competitive target shooter, and he spent more time practicing in his head than he did practicing.

[1297] Wow.

[1298] More time visualizing.

[1299] That works.

[1300] That really does work.

[1301] It does something.

[1302] Because when I was, like I said, when I was hurt for the rampage fight, like in training camp, I would visualize a lot.

[1303] How would you do it?

[1304] I would just sit there and I would just kind of like, I would go through moves in my mind and I'll go through techniques.

[1305] And I would just kind of go over and over again, the techniques in my mind.

[1306] I will also do scenarios where I fight in almost every single situation.

[1307] Like I find myself, you know, losing and then finding a way to come back after I've been rocked, you know, and just trying to find myself just mentally working through it, mentally working a lot through it.

[1308] Almost every single fight, like I'll go round by round.

[1309] Really?

[1310] Yeah, I'll go round by round.

[1311] And I'll just like, okay, I'll set up the scenario.

[1312] Okay, I'll come out and I catch him with a punch.

[1313] And then I'm just imagining what happens after that.

[1314] And then I put myself in adversity, adversity every single time I can, as much as I can.

[1315] So then that way I find myself always, you know, I get myself out of adversity.

[1316] Sometimes I just find myself just smoking them.

[1317] But there's always these different mental games and me just doing something to executing and always just doing it right.

[1318] So it's almost like you were fighting without having a fight.

[1319] Yeah.

[1320] You were getting the experience of fighting in your head by just visualizing it.

[1321] would you set a certain amount of time that you would do it um no i would just i would just i would just go with the flow you know i had um my wrestling coach in college tom enkel he was always he was always on uh like i was i i get nervous i get nervous i don't know what to do with the nervous and he says well he says you're nervous because you're thinking too much about about about it he said just just think about executing don't think about the outcome just think about executing your technique and just only think about executing your technique and how it feels to complete the perfect execution of the technique.

[1322] When you hit the pad and it hits that and it sounds that, you know, they hear that pop.

[1323] You know, how does that feel, you know, become attached to how you feel when you execute something.

[1324] And then that's what you start to base your fight off of, you know, how you feel when you execute versus all the things that can happen if something goes wrong.

[1325] Yeah, it's really interesting to see the different strategies that people employ in order to, like, focus the mind.

[1326] You know, so many different fighters have different ways of doing it.

[1327] Some fighters like to meditate.

[1328] Some fighters like to shadow box their way through scenarios.

[1329] Almost like they're thinking about how the fight's going to go down while they're like slow motion doing things.

[1330] Yeah.

[1331] I would get in a mirror sometimes.

[1332] I'll yell in a mirror.

[1333] I'll like yell up in fear.

[1334] Like, come on.

[1335] You know, like I would, I would just, you know, I would get into it because a lot of times I would get so nervous that.

[1336] I would be like, oh my God, I just don't want to freeze out there.

[1337] I just don't want to freeze, you know?

[1338] So I would, like, that's part of the reason why I started twisting my nipples.

[1339] Like, I go out there and I'll twist my nipples before the fight, and that was just to kind of do something stupid and silly.

[1340] Right.

[1341] But then it would allow me to just kind of relax because I'm like, well, I'm not going to embarrass myself any worse than that.

[1342] That's funny.

[1343] I remember I always wanted to ask you about that.

[1344] Why do you guys do that?

[1345] I was just like, you know, I'm not going to embarrass myself.

[1346] Ross and that.

[1347] Did George used to do that shit, too?

[1348] George would do it.

[1349] Yeah, George would do it because, you know, he, I don't know.

[1350] I think he didn't like the way his nipples look when he first came out of the shirt.

[1351] I'm being honest.

[1352] I think that's a funny thing to think about.

[1353] They look a little too puffy or something.

[1354] He didn't like that they look, but that's funny.

[1355] Some people don't like puffy nipples, man. He's like, pull out of him and yank on the shit.

[1356] Yeah, man. Nipples on guys are weird things anyway.

[1357] I know.

[1358] You know.

[1359] It's really puffy that it looks even worse.

[1360] Yeah.

[1361] Well, some dudes have like big aerial.

[1362] is and they're real embarrassed.

[1363] They don't want to take their shirt off.

[1364] You don't want to take your shirt off with a big ariola.

[1365] Well, the girl, it doesn't matter at all.

[1366] But a guy with a big aerial is like, whoa, what's happening here, man?

[1367] What's going on there?

[1368] The titty's just hanging out like that.

[1369] Weird.

[1370] It's pornographic.

[1371] It's pornographic.

[1372] That's what it is.

[1373] That's for dudes when they get fat, that's a bummer, man. When they develop man tits.

[1374] Oh, my gosh.

[1375] That's a bummer.

[1376] And when they don't care, they can slap you with him and stuff like that, too.

[1377] Oh, no. That's terrible.

[1378] That's terrible.

[1379] That's terrible.

[1380] Oh, my gosh.

[1381] to have nothing like that.

[1382] I did get big to have some booby weight, but not that dang big.

[1383] What do you do most of the time now?

[1384] Like, what is your days?

[1385] What do you occupy your days with?

[1386] I know, I know you're doing a lot of analysts work.

[1387] Yeah, so I still do, you know, I still do the analyst work, but I also, you know, try to do as much I can with Onyx and I still do my training and things like that.

[1388] But, you know, I also work with CBS a little bit, you know, doing analysts, analyst stuff for them.

[1389] But, you know, I'm still in that space just trying to figure out that next thing that that I align with, you know.

[1390] And that's why I'm so excited to work with unlimited sciences, you know, and doing something that I'm passionate about because I'm passionate about psychedelics and impasse.

[1391] You know, that's what I really, I really like that.

[1392] And I think that that can help people, you know, now I'm to the point where.

[1393] I just want to help people, you know, that's, that's, that's, that's where I'm at in my life.

[1394] I feel as if, like, you know, I lived, I lived a lot of my life from myself at this point, you know, and, and, um, I've accomplished some great things.

[1395] But now I'm to the point where I just want to be able to help other people achieve what they want to in life and, and just be a part of that, you know, that's what, that's what really resonates in me more than anything right now.

[1396] That's beautiful.

[1397] That's beautiful.

[1398] I mean, it's, it's real, man. I know it's real.

[1399] That's why it's beautiful.

[1400] I really, I really.

[1401] I'm I'm glad we talked, man, because I had a feeling it was going to go like this.

[1402] Yeah, I'm too, man. I had a good time, man. It's definitely something, you know, I've watched you for a long time on your show.

[1403] And honestly speaking, you know, when I first started to, you know, awaken and wanted to understand a lot about these entheogens, you know, I would listen to Joe Rogan and I would listen to your podcast and just, you know, the amount of information you shared and, you know, the people, the guests that you had on you, you know, you always have a great people who speak with some knowledge.

[1404] that I can't even comprehend sometimes, you know, and that's what it's about, you know.

[1405] You feel like when I watch this show, it's such a good tool to learn, you know, and thank you for that.

[1406] My pleasure, brother.

[1407] Thank you for being here, man. I really enjoyed it.

[1408] That was awesome.

[1409] Thank you.

[1410] Oh, if people want to get a hold of you, social media, give us your social media, your Instagram, Twitter.

[1411] Yeah, you can check me out at Sugar Rashad Evans at Instagram.

[1412] program.

[1413] And if anybody wants to be involved in that study, it's unlimited sciences .org.

[1414] And, you know, they can go and sign up and everything will be, you know, it's hippo, so that hipa protected so that no one's information to get out.

[1415] And, you know, after they send an email, it would be, the information would be destroyed.

[1416] Okay.

[1417] So that's about it.

[1418] Beautiful.

[1419] Thank you, brother.

[1420] I appreciate you being here, man. It was awesome.

[1421] Rashad Evans, ladies and gentlemen.

[1422] Bye.