#1900 - Steve-O

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[2] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[3] We're up, Steve -O.

[4] What's happening, my brother?

[5] Yeah, dude.

[6] Good to see you.

[7] Good to see you, man. It's been a long time.

[8] Every time I see, I'm just happy you're in one piece.

[9] Just happy, everything's working.

[10] Yeah.

[11] I can't believe it.

[12] All the people that have gotten fucked up doing the things that you do, you're out there fucking moving around like normal.

[13] Right.

[14] I'm thriving.

[15] and it hasn't been so long as he had the fights all the time yeah all the time yeah man it's crazy the uh i i just got so hooked on that yeah it's uh the most exciting live experience you could ever encounter for sure i really believe that and dude how about this last card whew i think it was one of the most first round knockouts ever seven yeah it was pretty crazy or first round stoppages it was uh it was a wild card man wild card yeah um i was on an airplane at the time that it was happening and you know a lot of the time i'm i'm on stage doing doing my show when the fights are happening and in those situations like i will move my instagram app off the the like front screen of my phone so you can't see yeah because i'll just inadvertently like just because it's like muscle memory i'll open instagram and when it opens i'll like no like i'll find you out what happened so I'll move my fucking Instagram off the top page and then uh you know like just make sure that I don't find anything out and then I'll go under the video on demand after the fact and watch it all yeah the Wi -Fi on a plane is not quite good enough right you can't really stream it on a plane can you um in some cases like YouTube will work fine sometimes but the but in this case I was on an air Canada flight so They didn't even have Wi -Fi.

[16] It's wood -powered Wi -Fi.

[17] Yeah.

[18] And when they made the move to ESPN Plus, ESPN.

[19] It was driving me crazy because I'd get back to my hotel room after my shows, and I'd go to the on -demand.

[20] And the thumbnail for the event would be a guy like celebrating, you know.

[21] I'm like, the whole fucking reason that I'm here is because I, you know, anybody go into the video on demand and the thumbnail would give it away.

[22] So I message Dana.

[23] I'm like, dude, this is driving me crazy.

[24] And he's like, I got the, you know, the number one at ESPN, the number one at their number two at Disney's on it.

[25] And like, and then they just got fixed.

[26] Oh, really?

[27] You fixed it.

[28] Congratulations.

[29] Thanks.

[30] That's actually a very wise solution.

[31] You really shouldn't have that Because everybody who doesn't get a chance to see it live They want to go to it and just watch it Right Now the remaining problem Is that they break out Like all the fights individually So you see the duration There's a little time code That's an issue, yeah Yeah so you know if it You just got to not look at that Right I blur my eyes and like Yeah But yeah, it's crazy, man. I'm a super fan, dude.

[32] I literally watch every fight.

[33] Yeah, I'm obviously I'm a giant fan.

[34] That stylebender fight, how crazy was that?

[35] Really crazy, man. Dude, the way he responded to that loss is better than anybody ever.

[36] The dude shows up the press conference with a fucking fur coat like a king.

[37] Dope -ass watch on and just says he got me, you know?

[38] I mean, he basically said, The hunter is now the hunted I'm coming after him I'm gonna find a way to beat that dude I was on my way to beat him and he got him and he was honest about all of it about how the Pahara landed a bunch of calf kicks early on and it fucked up his leg and couldn't move right Yeah Yeah it's a Those calf kicks have changed the fucking game I can't believe I was talking to Michael Bisping who was UFC champion and he said that literally he got through his entire career before the calf kick came along, which is so wild when you think about that.

[39] Right.

[40] I mean, he got through his whole career before the calf kick emerged, which is insane to think of.

[41] That this one area of the leg to kick, the only person had ever really done it before that was like Benson Henderson, Henderson was pretty good to doing it, and, you know, Mighty Mouse had done it to Henry Sohudo, and it happened to Michael Chandler and Bellator, but it wasn't like a staple like everybody had to do it and now everyone has to do it and it just takes like one or two shots and your leg is fucked yeah um and with the stoppage too on the this izzie fight i thought you know it wasn't a bad stoppage but at the same time i'd like it was impressive how Izzy said, in the moment, I thought it was a bad stoppage, but then my coach and my manager, they said it was fine, and I trust them, and so it's all good.

[42] Well, I don't think Pajeda was going to stop.

[43] He had more time.

[44] Izzy was stationary, and Paheda was going to hit him some big shots.

[45] We don't need to see Izzy with his eyes rolled back behind his head flat out, unconscious.

[46] I think it was a good stop.

[47] Yeah, I agree.

[48] I agree that it was a good stoppage.

[49] And I could see where Izzy would be, like, upset about it, is all.

[50] I could see where he would be upset about it, too.

[51] And I could see where other fights have gone on longer.

[52] Right.

[53] And they have, but it's a subjective call.

[54] And Mark Goddard is one of the very best in the world.

[55] For sure.

[56] He's top two or three.

[57] He might be number two.

[58] You know, I think Herb Dean's number one.

[59] You know, and, you know, Big John McCarthy doesn't ref anymore.

[60] He was always in that same spot.

[61] It's like there's a few guys that are the elite of the elite of referees, and Mark Goddard is surely right there.

[62] Very few bad calls or even questionable calls.

[63] I don't think I've ever seen to make a bad call.

[64] Right.

[65] To your point, I think that Izzy just handled that.

[66] Like a fucking king.

[67] Yeah.

[68] Like a king.

[69] Yeah.

[70] You know, and he was saying, bring back Steve Mazzagati.

[71] Because Steve Mazzagati was a referee that was, like, famous for letting fights go way too long.

[72] Oh, that...

[73] Yeah.

[74] Like, in Brazil.

[75] Was that him?

[76] I don't know.

[77] I don't know which fight you're talking about.

[78] Yeah, there was some really, really bad one.

[79] There was some...

[80] Well, I think that was Mario Yamasaki.

[81] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[82] He doesn't do them for the UFC anymore either.

[83] But Mazagati was kind of famous for that, for whatever reason, whether it's justified or not.

[84] But it was just hilarious that Izzy was saying, bring back Steve Mazagati.

[85] And then he went on Andrew Shultzegati.

[86] podcast on Monday.

[87] Yeah.

[88] So he was on Schultz's podcast Monday.

[89] They were drinking, having fun, and, you know, he handled it very, very well.

[90] Yep.

[91] Ben Ascran has handled defeat very well.

[92] Yes, he did.

[93] Yeah.

[94] I mean, especially that one to Jorge Mazzvedal because that was a crazy one.

[95] Yeah.

[96] It's, there's, you know, it's fucking the game they play, man. Yeah.

[97] You know, I mean, Izzy knocked a lot of fucking people unconscious.

[98] Yep.

[99] Is he, you know, put it on.

[100] Everybody in the division.

[101] And the thing is, like, when you are a specialist, like, if your specialty is wrestling and then all of a sudden you're facing an Olympic gold medalist, you're like, fuck.

[102] Because, like, there's people that are better than you at your specialty.

[103] Right.

[104] And at least on paper, Alex Bejera is one of the best kickboxers of all time.

[105] I still think Izzy is technically a better striker because Izzy is just so, he's so clever and sophisticated.

[106] and he doesn't have the kind of power that peheda has but peheda is very technically good too he just has a different thing that he relies on he just has that nuclear option and he relies on that a lot and it paid off and it paid off with him against izzie twice and one time he won by a decision which if i go back and watch that kickboxing fight i do not agree with that decision and the second fight with kickboxing it was a kind of shady situation because izzie was winning and izzie had him fucked up and they gave him a standing eight count which they can do in kickboxing and they allowed him to recover and then he went back and he knocked out izzie and then this one down three one going into the fifth and he puts it on him yeah that was some oosman shit listen man he's it was more it was more dramatic honestly well now i shouldn't say that because the oosman thing was last minute Leon lands that perfect head kick.

[107] It was one shot.

[108] This was, you know, like, is he going to get him?

[109] He's going to, oh, my God.

[110] Is he hurt?

[111] He's hard.

[112] He's hard.

[113] And for Pajera, I mean, that was, what a Cinderella story.

[114] I mean, that guy came from kickboxing.

[115] Was the only two division consecutive?

[116] He was holding two division champion simultaneously.

[117] So he was the 185 pound champion and the 205 pound champion.

[118] Simultaneously.

[119] It was knocking people.

[120] into another dimension in kickboxing.

[121] You watch his highlight reel.

[122] It's fucking sensational.

[123] He's putting together a pretty sweet highlight reel in the UFC.

[124] Oh, my God.

[125] He's a monster.

[126] He really is a monster.

[127] He's so big for the weight class, which really wears you out, that weight cut.

[128] That's a big weight cut.

[129] And with wrestling, he's going to have issues because he's not a grappler.

[130] That's not his forte.

[131] And he's getting better at grappling, but that was when Izzy takes you down and Izzy controls you on the ground, and Izzy's not, that's on his forte either.

[132] Right.

[133] Now, I didn't, I wondered, like, was someone going to shoot?

[134] Someone's going to try to take it to the ground?

[135] But to see Izzy do it, well, to see Paheta do it first, he did at the end of the second, and then to see Izzy do it to him and control him and beat him up.

[136] I was like, wow.

[137] I mean, he had his back.

[138] He was pummeling him.

[139] Yep, the hooks.

[140] Yeah, man. It was a wild fight.

[141] And for sure, they're going to fight.

[142] again i mean i hope so right i don't know if they go straight to it but the thing is like a pehara like his wrestling is going to be an issue like he's got to really figure out a way to but that was an issue with izzie too early in izzie's career and he had to figure out how to tighten that up and he did i mean that pehara came in like what like they said they were saying he was like 220 pounds he could have been yeah he could have been i mean he certainly gets above that right in between fights and he has a hard time making 185 oh man i wonder like this is a question i've been dying to ask um what do you think about if like uh when the fighters they're putting on the vassaline you know they're getting checked out by the ref right what if they were standing on a scale at that point so that it was transparent you could actually know compared to what they weighed in at and then when they actually step into the octagon for the fight they do that for some boxing matches they'll let you know like what the guy's weighing when he steps into the ring yeah i mean it's a bullshit thing it's basically sanction cheating it really is but everybody does it but izzie barely does it when izzie went up to fight for yon bojovitch at light heavyweight he weighed right which is crazy because bohovic is a giant light heavyweight i mean Bohovic is a big, powerful guy at light heavyweight, and Izzy didn't gain any weight.

[143] Right, because Izzy figured that if he put on a bunch of weight to go up a weight class, that he might lose his speed?

[144] Well, you also have muscles that need oxygen, and you might lose some of your endurance, and a big part of his game is not just speed, it's movement.

[145] And you don't want to have a smaller gas tank when you're fighting a guy who's just a murderous power striker like Bohovic is.

[146] Right.

[147] Because Behovic puts people in another dimension, man. That motherfucker hit so hard.

[148] The last thing you want to do is, like, be standing in front of that guy.

[149] Right.

[150] Of course, the story of the Behovich fight was all wrestling, that he held him down.

[151] And so when Perra came in weighing what looked like 220 pounds.

[152] It looks like a light heavy weight.

[153] It really does.

[154] Right.

[155] And then, like, I was wondering, oh, why are we going to see him, like, hold Izzy down the way Belhoevich did.

[156] Yeah, but that's not his style.

[157] His style is murderous striker.

[158] He's a legitimate descendant of Amazon tribesmen.

[159] Like, no bullshit.

[160] He really, his family comes from the Amazon.

[161] I mean, the Poetan, I'm not sure what language it is, what's the language called, but that's hands of stone in his language.

[162] That dude is fucking special.

[163] He's so scary.

[164] And, and, And if he fucking learns how to wrestle and he learns how to take people down too, I mean, if he gets really good at that and gets good at stuffing they take downs and makes people stand with him, God damn, man. He's so powerful for that weight class, so powerful.

[165] And, I mean, even at 205, he's fucking powerful.

[166] Like, when he was fighting kickboxing, when he was going up to 205, he was nuking people at 205 with big gloves.

[167] Yeah.

[168] He's terrifying, dude.

[169] So, like, when you got a specialist like Izzy, who, was just a specialist kickboxer.

[170] Worst case scenario is the best kickboxer in the world enters into MMA, and that's what happened.

[171] Yeah.

[172] I mean, you can make an argument that he's certainly the best kickboxer in the world at 185 pounds.

[173] He lost to Vahitov in his last fight in kickboxing, but Vahitov is the cream of the crop.

[174] And Vajitav is super, super technical, and it was a split decision.

[175] It was a very, very, very close fight.

[176] So that was his last kickboxing bout in glory.

[177] Other than that, the other elite guys in kickboxing that were supposed to fight in M .M .A. One of them is Cedric Dumbay.

[178] And I've had Cedric on the podcast before, and he's another dude.

[179] He's a fucking real problem if he gets into M .M .A. And he's been taking his time and learning wrestling, and he went down to A .K .A. And trained with those guys for a while.

[180] But he had some sort of an issue, a medical issue, and how to pull out of his fight in France.

[181] They were supposed to, he was supposed to have his UFC debut, and now, like, I think he said he was in some sort of a dispute with glory because they're kind of upset that he's leaving glory and going over to the UFC.

[182] I hope he gets over to there because that's another guy that, like, all those dudes at 170 that liked to strike, like, good fucking luck.

[183] Good luck with that guy.

[184] Yeah.

[185] Because he's a motherfucker.

[186] And he's a motherfucker against strikers.

[187] Like, when you get a world champion striker who enters into MMA, all fights start on the feet, man. They all start in an advantageous position.

[188] It's like if you're fighting a grappler and all fights started on the ground, like every fight started with that dude on top of you.

[189] That'd be terrifying, right?

[190] Well, that's what it is.

[191] Like, all fights start standing up.

[192] With kickboxing, like, I mean, I'm not really familiar with where you even watch kickboxing.

[193] Glory, you've got to go to the, glory has, most of their shows are on the web, and you could go to, I think it's F -I -T -E .com or it's glory kickboxing .com and there's a link to it and you could stream it.

[194] What I usually do is I get it on my phone and then I use the Apple app and I stream it to my television through Apple TV.

[195] Does that mean that there's not like a ton of money for kickboxing?

[196] There's not as much money in kickboxing.

[197] No. Glory is the biggest organization for kickboxing the world.

[198] and they put on phenomenal fights, and I'm a giant fan of the organization.

[199] But it's weird to me that boxing got so popular in the United States and around the world and MMA got so popular in the United States and around the world, but kickboxing never really caught on here.

[200] It doesn't make any sense, because it's so exciting.

[201] When you watch guys that are like high -lit like Cedric Dumbay or Alex Pahira or Vahitof, these fucking world -class kickboxers are, so exciting it's not like a bad product the product is sensational what um we we see people dying in boxing and we don't see people dying in mma knock on wood right um i have a theory about that that like that it's about the gloves because like if you take football back in the day when they had uh like just the little leather helmet like back then, like people wouldn't hit their head so much because they had like a little fucking leather helmet on.

[202] So like there were, but then now in modern football, you've got this, this crazy helmet that lets you bash your head around with seeming impunity.

[203] And because of that, people are hitting their head so much more.

[204] And as a result, they've got all this CTE going on.

[205] Well, that's a real theory shared by other people as well.

[206] So, yeah, with boxing, these humongous gloves, it's like, oh, you can, you know, throw your fists around with impunity.

[207] But then that's what.

[208] Yeah, well, it's the, you know, there's a lot of thought to that.

[209] It's also, there's only one option.

[210] That option is to hit, to punch.

[211] Like, you can't clinch, you can't take people down, you can't kick and stay on the outside.

[212] You have to stay inside a boxing range because that's the only sport you're playing.

[213] there's a lot of thoughts to that about the big gloves too is that there's a lot more thudding right and the thing that people don't understand about head injuries is that like CTE in particular you don't have to get knocked unconscious to get it right it's repeated small blows can give you CTE in fact there's some soccer players that get CTE right I when I think about that I way back when before I got sober I had this tour it was called the don't try this at home tour and I would promote every show by saying I will be drunk and on drugs or your money back and I'm in it and you watched me again what year was this?

[214] It started in 2001 and I ran that until like 2005 and I mean you would just watch me get completely hammered on stage like pounding tequila and shit when I came out on stage I would walk out with like a suitcase of Budweiser cans and I'd toss some out out of the crowd and I would take the can I would start out with one and I would just bash my head with it until the can exploded and I'd be particularly proud if the can broke into two separate pieces.

[215] And after I broke the one can, then I would take out two cans, one in each hand, and go back and forth, blah, blah, blah, and break both of them.

[216] So I would, every show, I would break three beers over my head.

[217] And I would do that like every night.

[218] Oh, my God.

[219] And that, like what I understand about the CTE phenomenon is that you're absolutely right.

[220] It's not about how hard you get hit.

[221] It's the accumulation of, lots of little hits, and that's why football is the biggest.

[222] Did you suffer anything from that?

[223] I don't want to say.

[224] The worst part was, then, like, after I got sober, I started doing stand -up.

[225] Like, initially, there was a period where I would do it with sparkling water cans.

[226] And you were doing it still?

[227] You were still beating yourself in the head?

[228] I did it for a little while.

[229] How many times do you think you've beaten yourself in the head?

[230] How many shows?

[231] If you had to count them all up?

[232] Hundreds.

[233] Hundreds.

[234] Oh, my God.

[235] Right.

[236] And I mean, as far as I can tell, I'm in pretty good shape.

[237] Tony Hawk told me one time.

[238] He says that he found out, with regard to CTE, that there's a gene which will make you predisposed to Alzheimer's disease.

[239] APOE4.

[240] Yeah.

[241] And if you have that gene, then you're very much at risk for CTE.

[242] but if you don't have that gene, you're considerably less at risk.

[243] And he said that when he found that out, he went and got the test and determined that he did not have that gene.

[244] And when I heard that, like, I kind of chewed on it for a while.

[245] I ended up like, it was kind of nagging at me, and I ended up, like, reaching back out to Tony.

[246] I said, hey, Tony, about that test.

[247] Like, what was your plan if you did have the gene?

[248] You can't unmute yourself in the head You know, and he's like Oh, well, I didn't have a plan I'm like Well, how can you have a plan after the fact?

[249] Right, exactly But so I'm like, I don't want to fucking go take that test I don't want to know if I have that goddamn gene or not Well, if it's been this many years afterwards You're not suffering You probably don't have that gene I also went to Like, and now of course, famously The whole CTE phenomenon You can't find out if you have it Until you've died and they've like i think they can tell now oh yeah i think there's a new way that they can tell before you die but it used to be that they had to wait and do an autopsy on you right well i went to some like brain specialist kind of guy are you having problems no i just went because i was interested and uh dr drew sent me to this guy it was actually when i was uh and i was trying to get cauliflower ear as like as part of part of my multimedia comedy and I remember telling you too that I was like I'm gonna do a crazy bit and I try to get cauliflower ear and I remember you telling me that you were like nope I don't support that you say I think that cauliflower ear is something that should be earned you know like you and I remember thinking oh well like I and I became buddies with Chuck Liddell and Chuck Liddell and I got together we made the fucking funniest craziest video like of him trying to get like I got I made this helmet that like I designed this helmet that left my ears sticking out to protect my head from like head shots a little bit and my ear's sticking out and and I got Chuck Ladell fucking sets a golf ball on my ear and fucking wax it off.

[250] Oh, no. No. Did you get cauliflower ear?

[251] No. Then we'd spend two days with Chuck trying to do it, and it just didn't work.

[252] Then I got together with Rhonda Rousey and was on the mats with her, and she's like, hurry in, Travis, just like roughing up my ear all day long.

[253] And they're looking at my ear, they're like, dude, we got it.

[254] That's it.

[255] You know, we got it, and then it just went away.

[256] Then I got together with Jorge Mosvedal.

[257] He put his BMF belt over my ear, and he's just, like, punching it against a door.

[258] And he's like, dude, that's it.

[259] Right there, man, that's cauliflower.

[260] We got it.

[261] Still know?

[262] And then I got together with John Jones.

[263] Oh, my God.

[264] I had like the who's who.

[265] You were such a glutton for punishment.

[266] I had the who's who of the UFC.

[267] Hall of Fame, like, give their best shot, and everybody said, dude, we got it.

[268] And then it didn't work.

[269] Dude, John Jones blasted my ear into oblivion.

[270] with a...

[271] He took what at the time was his current light, heavy weight belt.

[272] And, like...

[273] Oh, yeah, there we go.

[274] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[275] And he's hammering your ear?

[276] Dude.

[277] Oh, my God.

[278] He's so upsetting over did it that my ear got blasted apart and you still didn't get cauliflower oh god it's so bloody oh my god dude we're not putting that off did you get that you just chipped it off you didn't get stitched up just cut that little piece off it just chopped it off oh no so you have like the Evander Holyfield like when Tyson bit Holyfield's here right that was that was an idea that I pitched for jackass like multiple times I was like do I want like Mike Tyson to bite a chunk of that?

[279] Oh no!

[280] Oh my God!

[281] You know he's selling gummies now of ears?

[282] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[283] For sure.

[284] Selling weed gummies of ears.

[285] Dave and Mike is so classic, dude.

[286] He's the best.

[287] I fucking love him.

[288] I saw him at the fights.

[289] It's like when that guy gets a pop one, they show him on the screen.

[290] Oh, dude.

[291] Everybody goes nuts.

[292] How about fucking Patty the Batty?

[293] Yeah, man. You can even believe?

[294] Well, he's a character.

[295] You know, people get really attracted to characters, you know, like Molly McCann, same thing.

[296] Like, when...

[297] Morseau, when Patty the Batty kind of just showed up and exploded, like Molly exploded with him, I think.

[298] Yeah, well, they trained together, yeah.

[299] Right.

[300] But, you know, also, she had some pretty spectacular performances, and she's a wild character.

[301] She gets fucking fired up and jumps around, and I talked to Dave Portnoy.

[302] He bet 10 grand on Molly McCann.

[303] I was like...

[304] this last week yeah and he was like what do you think about that bet I was like I'm like listen Molly's tough anything can happen but Aaron Blanchfield is a fucking assassin yeah that was a tough one to watch that girl's a straight up killer you don't see it that you never see it when when both of a fighter's arms are absolutely fucking just out of the equation you know like John Jones done that to people that was Roy Nelson used to do that to people all the time it was a big country that was his move he'd get people in the crucifix crucifix is a terrible position to be in have you ever been stuck there before by Hollyholm oh really that's hilarious you can't get out of it it's so hard to get out of it like you have to be elite to get out of that there's a few techniques that you can do to get out of that the key is you have to get an arm free you must you like first of all you have to really do your best to never let that arm get trapped like that.

[305] But if you're fighting a superior grappler and you get caught like that.

[306] And you saw, in a way, that's how Zhang Wei Lee tapped out Carlos Barsa.

[307] She started off with a crucifix.

[308] She started out with the crucifix on her back and then twisted to the rear naked choke and got the choke from that position.

[309] It's a terrible position because legs are so much stronger.

[310] You know, like when your legs are trapping that arm, that arm's fucked, right?

[311] And then the head pins down and trapping.

[312] traps the other one.

[313] And then you're just, it's just head and fist and elbows in your face.

[314] Yeah.

[315] And you just get fucking nuggied to death.

[316] Dude.

[317] Yeah.

[318] I was at a Jackson Wink with Holly home.

[319] And she took my arms away from me and just showed me what she could do.

[320] Like, oh, Jesus.

[321] She didn't do it.

[322] But she was just like, and then with elbow.

[323] Did that make you want to train?

[324] Did it make you want to learn how to not be in that situation?

[325] No, not at all.

[326] Nothing?

[327] If a girl did that to me, I'd be like so upset.

[328] I'd be like, I need to learn how to fight.

[329] Fuck this.

[330] That's so humiliating.

[331] Yeah.

[332] I didn't see it that way.

[333] I felt like it was kind of an honor, you know?

[334] Well, I get it.

[335] Yeah, I mean, she's a world champion.

[336] Yeah, she's so rad.

[337] She's a beast.

[338] Such a wonderful person.

[339] Oh, she's so sweet.

[340] You would never imagine.

[341] She's a fucking stone cold killer.

[342] Right.

[343] Yeah.

[344] That head kick knockout of Ronda Rousey was like one of the greatest knockouts of all time like without a doubt without a doubt and to see it in australia live it was so fucking crazy so here it is she gets you and she's nice that she's pounded on the ground and not on your face yeah it's a horrible place to be now imagine john jones getting you in there right you know it's a bad spot real bad spot and erin is she's so good on the ground And the way she explained it when I did the post -fight interview, how she explained how she went for the Kimura and then Molly got her arm free and then she trapped it again and then got the leg over the head.

[345] And then once you got the leg over the head, I was begging her to tap.

[346] I was like, please tap, please tap, please tap, please tap.

[347] Because if you don't tap, you get a spiral fracture.

[348] It's a horrible fracture.

[349] If you watch Frank Meir versus Minotara no Gera.

[350] Now Minotara no Gera is a legend.

[351] I mean, he's one of the greatest heavyweight fighters of all times.

[352] The heavyweight champion of pride, he was a fucking monster.

[353] And Frank Mears snapped his arm, and it's, I don't even want to watch it again, man. It's horrible to watch.

[354] But he goes for a guillotine, and Frank gets on top of him.

[355] So here he is, like Frank's on the bottom here.

[356] Frank reverses him.

[357] Frank gets on top, and Frank gets him into Kimura.

[358] And when he gets him into Kimora, he breaks his arm.

[359] and the snap, I remember here in the snap, it was so horrific.

[360] See, he's got it now.

[361] He's got it now.

[362] And now he's going to step over, and now he's in side control.

[363] And now he steps over with the leg.

[364] Now watch when he steps over with that right leg.

[365] Watch this.

[366] Now watch this right here.

[367] Snap.

[368] Oh.

[369] Frank is so big and so strong that your arm has no chance.

[370] And Frank has broken two different worlds.

[371] champion's arms inside the octagon he broke uh tim sylvia's arm with a um an arm bar and then he broke minotaro's arm and when you when that arm breaks like that man i just i don't think you're ever the same again snap see that that's it right there so what happens is all the pressure is on this bone and so it's like this going that way and this bone from just the angle it just snaps and you get all the like he's got a giant plate and they have to piece your arm back together like a jigsaw puzzle and screw it all in place and even then like you're always going to have this bar in your arm and it's probably there's probably nerve damage and tissue damage and it's probably never going to be the same right fuck that tap just tap please tap the other time was uh kabib when he had michael johnson i was like please tap please tap right and then islamakachev he had dan hooker and again i'm going please tap please tap you got to tap like live to fight another day.

[372] There's times when you've got to tap.

[373] The Kimura is a big one.

[374] When the guy gets the leg over your face and he's just got that angle and he's cranking it, like, oh, Jesus, just tap.

[375] Just tap.

[376] I got another MMA question.

[377] Live odds at the beginning of round two, round three.

[378] Like, they show the odds before the fight.

[379] Yeah.

[380] Like, like, like, D .C. told, told me he thought that that could be a good alternative to open scoring if they just showed the live odds at the I think as a fan I would love to know like how the odds are it's just uniform always have what the the live odds are going into each new round it's not bad I mean it definitely encourages gambling which I support I just I think gambling's fun you know I support gambling like I support drinking.

[381] I get that some people can't drink.

[382] I get that some people can't gamble.

[383] I do get, look, I've known a lot of people that were addicted to gambling.

[384] And it's a crazy addiction because did you ever see that Adam Sandler movie?

[385] Yes, the uncut gems.

[386] Amazing.

[387] Unbelievable.

[388] Unbelievably disturbing.

[389] So good.

[390] And such a perfect representation of a gambling addict.

[391] They can't fucking, they need that fucking juice.

[392] They need it.

[393] They need that next.

[394] bet they need come on come on yes when they win they go fucking crazy I mean it's it's a real problem for some people gambling is it they ruin everything in their life it's a real problem for some people but I support it because I feel like you need to have control over your life and if you don't have control of your life get control of your life and if gambling is stopping you from having control of your life don't make gambling illegal just you don't gamble I agree get your life in order yeah like as an alcoholic drug I'm not mad at drugs and alcohol I just can't have it yeah do you think that you could if you had a different life could have enjoyed drinking and maybe a little drugs in moderation no I just had that personality I have it in my I'm fucking pedigree dude I'm thoroughbred I like on my mom's side of the family it's every leaf on the tree wow it didn't skip a generation at all like like for my mom it was like it was like playing Russian roulette with a fucking completely loaded gun there was you think that's nature or nurture what do you think causes that I think that I think there's a genetic thing but it's a little bit like it's a little bit like why did how did the fire start like who fucking cares just deal with address the fire.

[395] Right.

[396] Right.

[397] But I mean, is there cases where the whole family is addicted and there's one person that can have a drink with dinner and they're fine?

[398] Yeah.

[399] There are.

[400] There are for sure.

[401] For sure.

[402] There's no certainty of it.

[403] And more often than not, it will skip generations and it will not be everybody.

[404] Just in my case, it was fucking everybody.

[405] And gambling was a thing too.

[406] Oh, you gambled a lot?

[407] No, but it's in my family.

[408] Oh.

[409] It's probably the same thing, right?

[410] It's like this obsession yeah dude it's so crazy how like like uh on my dad's side of the family is just straight academics theologians zoologists like just everybody's like phdd or like you know like clergy men like all you know my dad's dad like fought in world war two and and was like decorated like, you know, and then there's my mom's side of the family.

[411] It's just addiction, gambling, suicide, like, the whole deal.

[412] My mom's father, like, dodged the draft.

[413] He was in Canada, like, dodged the draft for World War II and, like, got, like, fairly obnoxiously wealthy selling bootleg gasoline.

[414] Because they had, they had, like, ration, you know, for the wartime.

[415] And so, like, his bootleg gasoline operation, you could buy as much gas as you wanted beyond the ration from my mom, my paternal grandfather.

[416] And he became like obnoxiously wealthy, was, like, had like a boat, you know, like, fucking walked out with the crazy wad of cash.

[417] And the fucking dude gambled it all away.

[418] And then when he was broke, fucking blew his brains out.

[419] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[420] Like, I don't know that I ever, I don't know.

[421] that I ever met that guy like I was that you know I was like a baby when when that happened but like it doesn't make any sense because with all the alcoholism that didn't deter me from becoming an alcoholic but I did manage to stay away from gambling wow a 100 % I've placed the only time I bet in my adult life I've still never placed a bet in a casino or anything like that but but uh when I did a um like a a brand deal on social media I got paid to promote some uh online gambling thing that was when I showed up at the fight and I was like holding up the all the cash and I took the photo with you yeah and that was when I bet on Poirier and and and and McGregor's leg snap that night oh wow so you're one and done that was my first ever bet i ended up like uh betting like a couple times after that as part of the same deal as part like the and i lost her and then yeah i'm done yeah i'm done yeah it's uh it definitely makes fights more exciting if you've got if you personally have money riding on it for sure but if you do have an obsessive thing like i could see how it would transfer for some people it transfers to positive stuff like i know a lot of people that were drug addicts that became really fitness fanatics sure you know they start like uh my friend john joseph He started doing Iron Man. Love John Joseph.

[422] He's great.

[423] A lot of people do that.

[424] They become marathon runners or they, you know, work out fiends.

[425] Yeah.

[426] And that's their new drug of choice.

[427] Yep.

[428] The, uh, fucking, for me, I think that I'm just obsessed about, about just doing shit, you know, just accomplishing shit.

[429] Well, that's a good thing to transfer, too.

[430] I think it's kind of the same gene, the gene that can, or whatever it is, I shouldn't say gene.

[431] It's the same thing in the mind that gets you obsessed with your next high or your next, like, wild thing.

[432] You could also transfer that to accomplishing personal goals and, you know, fitness goals and just getting your life together, starting a business, being obsessed with the business.

[433] Like, you can do it in a positive way with that same mindset.

[434] And oftentimes you see that with fighters, like some of the best fighters, they had like real horrible bouts of alcoholism or drug abuse in their past.

[435] Mark Kerr.

[436] Mm -hmm.

[437] Yeah.

[438] Well, he had it while he was at the top.

[439] Right.

[440] It wasn't something that he got over.

[441] You know, he actually kind of took him down.

[442] And what was crazy about him is that while it was all happening, they were filming a documentary.

[443] The smashing machine.

[444] Which is really crazy because they didn't film that documentary with the intent.

[445] of capturing this guy's life falling apart due to drug.

[446] 100%.

[447] He was on top of the world.

[448] He was murdering everybody.

[449] But a lot of guys get into pain killers, a lot of guys, including bodybuilders and power lifters.

[450] It's like they're in pain because of the, it's so, you know, you're lifting crazy amounts of weight and you're fucking up your back and fucking up your elbows and your shoulders.

[451] And instead of dealing with it, you just take a pain pill.

[452] Yeah.

[453] And just keep powering through.

[454] They say Ronnie Coleman used to do that.

[455] You know, Ronnie Coleman, who was Mr. Olympia, who now has his whole back fused, his whole back, like every spinal, all the different vertebrae are fused together.

[456] And he's fucked.

[457] Like, whoever did that, like, Jesus Christ, like, there's different ways to fix people's backs.

[458] You don't have to do that.

[459] So how does he?

[460] He's in real pain.

[461] He can't barely move around.

[462] He went down and got some stem cells.

[463] he's got some improvement now.

[464] I think he went to bio -accelerated.

[465] I went there.

[466] Yeah.

[467] I think he went down there and they helped him a bit.

[468] But, you know, he's got a lot of nerve damage and his legs don't work correctly anymore.

[469] With all of your vertebrae fuse together, you would imagine.

[470] Still working out, though.

[471] He can.

[472] I mean, he's addicted to working out.

[473] But, I mean, his whole back is, like, completely fused.

[474] But at one point in time, I mean, you see, he's in a way.

[475] wheelchair like when he came to do the podcast he was in a wheelchair crazy he can kind of stand up but he really can't move around that good but he's got a fucking amazing attitude even though that's the case like guys didn't feel sorry for himself so that i do it all over again i mean he was one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time but he was different than everybody else in that when ronnie was at the top of his game ronnie was lifting enormous amounts of weight like a lot of bodybuilders they just do very very high reps and a lot of steroids ronnie was lifting crazy weight like wild wild amounts because he just wanted to be massive just as massive as a person could be and he accomplished that but he paid the price because he you know he would hurt his back and just keep lifting like go through the set he wouldn't stop and pause and assess what was wrong with him and look at him when he was in his prime like good lord man good Lord.

[476] Look at the mass on that man. I mean, look at the fucking legs.

[477] I mean, without doubt, one of the greatest to ever do it.

[478] Yeah, I just watched that Killer Sally show on Netflix.

[479] What's that?

[480] It's a...

[481] Oh, that's a woman bodybuilder, right?

[482] Woman bodybuilder, but she was married to this guy, Ray McNeil, who she ultimately shot.

[483] Oh, Jesus.

[484] Yeah, it's one of these, like...

[485] true crime type situations oh it's pretty fascinating it's just like a three part but yeah they get pretty heavily into the whole bodybuilding culture and yeah that is a thing that happens to a woman when she starts taking steroids where she gets that manly look in her face that creeps me the fuck out you know there's like go to the original picture that you posted up jamie the original one no they're right there yeah look at her face on the left see how she got like this is this is this like a manliness to her it's like it's very hard to describe like what what makes it manly i don't know but it's not just that she has giant traps and big fucking shoulders and chest muscles right but it's also like her face has a manly quality like the one on the right that picture on the right where that dude has his arm around her look is that the guy she killed yep sorry buddy but look at her face there she's got like a manly face that's very manly it's super manly right there's something that happens.

[486] Dude, she fucking went, went into the bedroom, fucking came out with a shotgun, fucking smoked the dude, and then went back into the bedroom, got another shell, and reloaded it, came out and shot him in the face.

[487] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[488] What did he do to her?

[489] Was it an abusive relationship?

[490] Yeah, there was a lot of accusations of...

[491] Domestic violence?

[492] Domestic violence, yeah, but still...

[493] I don't think a lot of people are questioning whether that was a good call.

[494] You know.

[495] Yeah.

[496] Well, I think they're probably both out of their fucking minds.

[497] Yeah.

[498] If you're doing that much juice and you're getting jacked up, you're probably.

[499] I think when, you know, like when a human being is taking like hyperhuman levels of hormones, you're not even really a human anymore.

[500] You know, this wild thing.

[501] It's like part human, part chemicals.

[502] What's the difference between steroids like that and TRT?

[503] Well, it depends on how much TRT you take, right?

[504] Right.

[505] So if you're taking normal doses of TRT, then you're just like a normal man. You're just, the idea is that as you age and you take TRT, your body repairs itself and functions well and your immune system functions well like it did when you were younger.

[506] And it works if you don't abuse it.

[507] But if you're a crazy person and you say, well, instead of this amount, I'm going to take double.

[508] And I'm going to take, instead of taking it twice a week, I'm going to take it three times a week, double three times a week.

[509] That's a lot.

[510] And people definitely do that.

[511] And if you get addicts and you give, like if an addict, you don't have to go to a clinic to get the shot, you give the shot yourself.

[512] You just say, I'm fucking keep shooting up.

[513] And then you go to multiple doctors, like if they don't have a database on whether or not.

[514] you're on testosterone from this doctor and also from that doctor like I knew a dude about a pill problem and what he used to do is he would go to multiple doctors and get opiates and he was fucked up all the time and he was mad that these doctors gave to him like bitch you didn't tell them that you're going to take it on yourself man like you fucking did it to yourself I know it sucks and I know like you probably didn't know is that hard to kick or that addictive but he fucking purposely went to multiple different doctors.

[515] He used to live in Texas, then he moved to California, and he was getting it from both doctors.

[516] Yeah.

[517] So he's taking a lot.

[518] And listen, for a long time, they'll just keep prescribing it to you.

[519] I think they're probably a little more sensitive to that now.

[520] Walmart just got hit today.

[521] They got a $3 billion settlement today they had to give out because of their contribution to the opioid crisis.

[522] Wow.

[523] Make sure that's right.

[524] Was that part of like the...

[525] So, yeah, Walmart agrees to give 3 .1 billion to opioid settlement framework.

[526] Well, that's a tiny fucking piece of how much they earned, which is really disturbing.

[527] If you find out the Sackler family, how much they actually made from lying about the addictive properties of it.

[528] I mean, pushing it on people.

[529] Dude, when I got my nose fixed, I had a deviated septum, I got out of there.

[530] and uh you know once i woke up and everything the doctor's like okay i've got you two different painkillers i go do i need those he's like you're gonna need those i go but is it going to get worse than it is right now he's like no might not i go but right now it doesn't hurt at all like i don't know what you're why why do you why you give me these he's like just take it and i'm like shouldn't i like wouldn't it be better if i didn't take it then i came to you and i needed it i'm like what am i doing with this i never filled them at all i've not filled out a prescription for painkillers once since I got sober well since you got sober it's good call I've never had a problem with painkillers in fact I had my knee repaired in 94 and they gave I can't remember if they gave me percissette or Vicodin I don't remember which one but I wound up selling them at the pool hall because I was like this is terrible I'd rather be in pain but for my personality whatever it is like me being stupid was the hardest part because I was just laying on my couch it took them one day And I was so stupid.

[531] I was like, I can't live like this.

[532] Like, I feel so dumb.

[533] Like, whatever it is with me, my own biology, how I react to painkillers, no, bueno.

[534] So my next knee operation, when I got my ACL reconstructed, no painkillers at all.

[535] I didn't take shit.

[536] Yeah.

[537] And so when my nose got fixed, the doctor was like, you're going to have to take painkillers.

[538] I'm like, for this?

[539] Like, this doesn't even hurt.

[540] It's like once they did the operation, it was mildly uncomfortable.

[541] That was because they had these big foam tubes.

[542] stuffed up my nose.

[543] When you say deviated septum, that means like a hole in the wall?

[544] No, no. My septum was, my nose had broken so many times that I only had like one quarter of one nostril that I could get oxygen from.

[545] The other one was completely closed.

[546] So I could go like this and I literally couldn't breathe a thing out of my nose.

[547] And then on top of that, the same thing that happens to cauliflower ear also happens to the inside of your nose.

[548] So when you get a bloody nose, your nose gets smashed all the time, calcium deposits can form inside of your nose, the same way they form in your ear.

[549] So my nose is just useless.

[550] So the doctor scooped all that shit out and shaved my turbinates down and then reconstructed the actual septum.

[551] So the path between the two nostrils.

[552] So when he did that, when I was 40, it was like the first time I could breathe out of my nose, since I was like, five.

[553] I fell down a fly stairs when I was five years old and broke my nose.

[554] Wow.

[555] And it's been fucked ever since then.

[556] And then from that time, all those years of combat sports, all those, I broke it in jujitsu, I broke it in kickboxing, I broke it in Taekwondo.

[557] I broke it so many times.

[558] It was just useless.

[559] But when I got it fixed, the doctor was like, you know, I don't need these pain pills.

[560] I was like, are you fucking sure?

[561] Like, can't I just be uncomfortable?

[562] Like, whatever happened to be ununcomfortable?

[563] Is that okay?

[564] Right.

[565] Hey, you know what?

[566] Like, it's incredible how effective Advil and Tylenol are.

[567] Both those things are terrible for you.

[568] Oh, yeah.

[569] Terrible for you.

[570] Do you know that if you take Tylenol, Tylenol is acetaminophen?

[571] If you take 20 times more than the dose, you're dead.

[572] Wow.

[573] Dead.

[574] There's a lot of people who die every year from Tylenol poisoning.

[575] In fact, there was a really terrible story about a woman who had COVID, and she was in agony because she had COVID, so she just kept taking Tylenol.

[576] She died from liver failure.

[577] Wow.

[578] From fucking Tylenol.

[579] It's terrible for you.

[580] Advil's terrible for you.

[581] Adville's bad for your stomach.

[582] Yes.

[583] It's bad for a lot of things.

[584] But they're non -steroidal anti -inflammatories, and they cause gut inflammation a lot of people.

[585] Like my friend Cam, he was taking 800 milligrams of Advil every day because he runs every day and he was always in pain.

[586] He heard a podcast I did with Dr. Rhonda Patrick.

[587] She explained all the dangers of non -steroidal anti -inflammatory.

[588] and what they do to your gut and what they do to your gut biome and how they actually create inflammation.

[589] So he gets off of them, all his fucking pain went away.

[590] Yeah.

[591] So taking anti -inflammatories for pain was actually the source of his pain.

[592] Huh.

[593] Isn't that wild?

[594] Well, if you're doing it on an ongoing basis, then I think that that is a dynamic that will, you know.

[595] Yeah, in his case, it was pretty extreme.

[596] Right.

[597] Like, if it's pretty rare that you're in pain and you take.

[598] I mean, if you have a headache, you take it.

[599] You know, if you're smart about it, you take it every now and again, I'm sure it's okay.

[600] You know, it's like everything else.

[601] Your body will recover.

[602] But you just have to be careful with that stuff.

[603] To think that it's completely innocuous just because you could buy it at a drugstore, it's not the case.

[604] Right.

[605] And the Tylenol poisoning, when Dr. Peter Atia was explaining to me that it's, just 20 times the recommended dose will kill you.

[606] I was like, that's crazy.

[607] Yeah.

[608] I hadn't heard any of that.

[609] Yeah.

[610] I mean, I knew that Advil was bad for your stomach and I got to be careful with that because I have Barrett's esophagus.

[611] What is that?

[612] It's like erosion of of the esophagus, like the tube coming out of your stomach.

[613] It's basically from like acid reflux and shit.

[614] And it's scary because it's, It's often a precursor to esophageal cancer.

[615] So it's something that I monitor really closely.

[616] At the moment, I'm stable with it.

[617] What caused that?

[618] I don't even know.

[619] I think acid reflux.

[620] But what caused the acid reflux?

[621] I don't have any idea.

[622] Is it drugs or alcohol?

[623] Maybe.

[624] Maybe.

[625] How many people die a year from Tylenol?

[626] See, pull up how many people die a year in the United States from...

[627] acetaminopheny.

[628] When I found that, I was shocked.

[629] Well, at first, when I read about that woman who died when she was just trying to get over the COVID, 2000, it's responsible for 56 ,000 emergency department visits, 2 ,600 hospitalizations and 500 deaths per year in the United States.

[630] 50 % of those are unintentional overdoses.

[631] Wow, 50 % of them are intentional then.

[632] That's awful.

[633] What an awful way to go.

[634] More than 60 million Americans consume.

[635] consume acetaminephine on a weekly basis, and many are unaware that it is contained in combined products.

[636] What about, like, bear?

[637] Like, bear and aspirin, like, people take that for their heart?

[638] Yeah, aspirin, I think, in low doses is probably not bad, but I think even aspirin probably can kill you if you take enough of it.

[639] How many people die every year from aspirin overdose?

[640] Let's go with that.

[641] Let's tell you yes.

[642] If it's 500 for Tylenol, let's say it's 50.

[643] What do you think?

[644] How many people a year die from aspirin?

[645] Maybe it's zero.

[646] Yeah, I'm going to go with zero.

[647] Zero?

[648] I'm going to go with 50.

[649] How many people die every year in the United States from aspirin?

[650] Maybe it can't even kill you.

[651] But then again, I feel like that was something they said, oh, like one aspirin every day is good for if you have a heart condition.

[652] But then I think they recanted that.

[653] So I'm actually going to go with not zero.

[654] Did they really recant that?

[655] I think they recant.

[656] That was the thing they were always telling you, taking aspirin a day.

[657] It's not giving me direct information, even though I typed it in.

[658] I'm seeing...

[659] It's the aspirin industry.

[660] It causes more than 3 ,000 deaths per year in the U .K., according to what I found.

[661] Oh, that's a lot more.

[662] But it says...

[663] Holy shit.

[664] Especially the U .K. does not have that big of the populace.

[665] It's causing at least 3 ,000 deaths.

[666] Whoa.

[667] Okay.

[668] There you go.

[669] Jesus Christ.

[670] Daily aspirin behind more than 3 ,000.

[671] adult deaths per year.

[672] So aspirin kills more people than fucking acetaminophen?

[673] That's crazy.

[674] Yeah.

[675] Well, we looked at too with acetaminophen was just the U .S. This is showing the U .K., which is a lot of the population.

[676] Smaller number, I know.

[677] That's wild.

[678] I would have never guessed that.

[679] I was going with 50.

[680] Yep.

[681] They, uh, seems that they did recanted.

[682] Oh, look at this, though.

[683] In 2021, it says 227 deaths were recorded in England and Wales as a result of paracetamol poisoning.

[684] I guess that's aspirin.

[685] No, this is Tylenol.

[686] That's Tylenol.

[687] Oh, you wrote Tylenol.

[688] Yeah, I switched over back to Tylenol to see what...

[689] Oh, why did you do that?

[690] We're done with that.

[691] Well, I wanted to...

[692] Because I wasn't getting an answer for U .S. for aspirin, so I wanted to see what it said for U .K. since I did have a...

[693] So Tylenol per year is half of what it is in America, roughly.

[694] But aspirin...

[695] I was trying to get that.

[696] Three thousand deaths per year?

[697] And the population is 10 %.

[698] that's fucking crazy I would have never imagined it's that many maybe it's just because it's more popular wow so does aspirin daily aspirin behind more than 3 ,000 deaths per year but I don't know who yeah we could probably break that number down though too I don't know if it's an accumulation because it's not it's not sudden deaths it's not like they're just getting a heart attack all of a sudden scroll back to it down a little bit It says expert warn More people die from aspirin Than COVID -19 What?

[699] I don't I wouldn't use this I wouldn't have That's why I skip past this Oh it's one of them weird Link yeah They saw those fucking click baity cunts Yeah They'll lure you in with some fake Headlines Some bullshit website That's in Macedonia or some shit It's just designed to get American clicks and sell ads They're so sneaky with that shit I was starting to wonder I wonder if you were on to something with the aspirin people.

[700] Well, it's probably a lot of money in aspirin.

[701] Yeah.

[702] And if they were taking, if people were taking it every day, does, okay, Google that.

[703] Does taking aspirin every day prevent heart attacks?

[704] Because that was the thing that they were saying.

[705] But I think at that time, they were just saying like one aspirin every day.

[706] This was saying, yeah, the UK thing, I found another way of, and someone else described me, It says around 40 % of adults age 75 or over in the UK take a daily aspirin and have lifelong treatment is recommended for patients who have previously had a heart attack or stroke.

[707] This is where the 3 ,000 number, though, came from two.

[708] Major bleeds.

[709] So is, oh, other anti -platelet drugs.

[710] Hold on a second.

[711] That says 3 ,000 deaths caused by aspirin or other anti -platelet drugs.

[712] So what if those anti -platelet drugs are more potent than aspirin?

[713] Is that, but that's the Guardian that's a reliable paper, right?

[714] Harpurn drugs.

[715] Published in Lancet, from the for patients under 65 taking daily aspirin to prevent a recurring stroke or heart attack, the annual rate of bleeds requiring hospital admission was approximately 1 .5 % compared with 3 .5 % for patients age 75 to 84.

[716] and 5 % for those age 85 or older.

[717] So, you know what it is?

[718] I guess it's a trade -off, right?

[719] Like, it probably prevents the clots, but also makes you bleed to death.

[720] Fuck.

[721] That's the scariest shit when people have, what is that disease, where people, their blood doesn't clot?

[722] Enneumia?

[723] No, not anemia.

[724] Anemia is when you have a lack of blood.

[725] What is that disease?

[726] God damn it, it's the tip of my time.

[727] Oh.

[728] I'm gonna know it when you say it Oh god This stupid brain of mine It's so good sometimes My brain works so My memory is so fantastic Yes Yeah Yeah yeah Hemophilia I knew it was a hemo something Yeah I'm stoked I got it You did Yeah that's it Hemoglobin Hemophilia Yeah Yeah that is scary Your body doesn't stop bleeding Fuck You don't clot You know I had a friend who had to take some sort of blood thinners because they had something wrong with them and they had to be real careful like they couldn't get bruised nothing dude how about the people who don't feel pain oh that's nuts that's that's nuts yeah it's really scary yeah that's nuts what is that what is that what kind of fucking evolutionary advantage would it be to not feel pain yeah that's no idea you're injured is that real like all pain or is it just like most pain like broken bones you don't know you're I think there are people who don't feel pain, period.

[729] That'd be great in your line of work.

[730] Congenital insensitivity to pain and anhydrosis is a very rare and extremely dangerous condition.

[731] People with it cannot feel pain.

[732] Pain sensing nerves and these patients are not properly connected in parts of the brain that receive the pain messages.

[733] Wow.

[734] Yeah.

[735] Whoa, that's crazy.

[736] That sucks.

[737] Yeah.

[738] pain's important man yeah that's why it's fights are crazy because you don't really feel much while you're fighting and then after the fight you're like oh my god everything hurts your fucking shins and your elbows and your knuckles and everything yeah not feeling pain it's not good it's like not feeling sadness like you need to feel loss in order like you need highs and lows like it's part of being a person like the stuff that sucks is it's all supposed to be there to kind of get you on the right path the path to not do that thing that made you feel bad and not do that thing that made you hurt like don't do that buddy yeah i saw um i remember seeing seeing you uh react to like some of these crazy kids that are like climbing on skyscrapers you know yeah and uh i remember you having like a really pretty like visceral reaction to that like no like don't do that I don't I don't like it I don't approve and I just thought to myself like I disagree like I disagree because I think that in most cases with these kids they they just know their abilities oh they definitely do but also they fall and they die and that's a crazy way to die falling off a skyscraper yeah um landing on a baby carriage I understood but I remember like they're like one of these kids because I had a don't do it Jamie you son of a bitch Jesus Christ this guy's barefoot climbing a fucking building right who that is so wild that people do that shit you know like don't do it Jamie don't make me want my hands are sweating feel my hand film my hand how sweat is that and I'll take this off of you because when I like linked up with with some of these kids that do all this fucking crazy parkour shit like from building to building and I reposted on my Instagram some kid doing like some like fuck it was like he jumped off one building and then landed on the next building like by his fingers and people in the comments were like just like oh this fucking stupid kid's fucking gonna die like and I was kind of incensed and I went on my story and I was Like, why is it that, you know, these kids are catching such fucking heat?

[739] But then this other fucking guy wins an Oscar at the fucking free solo.

[740] Like, what's the difference?

[741] Well, that's crazy, too.

[742] You know, Alex has been on the podcast a few times.

[743] I admire his ability to do that.

[744] But also, in talking to Gabor Mante, he was explaining that most likely what's going on as those people don't feel normal.

[745] life the same way that we do and the only way for them to feel really connected and alive is to put themselves in grave danger it's just interesting to me that like and it's they're basically all doing the same thing sort of but rock climbing is undoubtedly a learned skill and they have abilities that they have developed through there's technical rock climbing like they know what the fuck they're doing it's still people die from it every year oh yeah did you see the alpinist Did you see that document?

[746] Is that the one where the guy, like, you don't even see it coming, and then he'd find out that he died at the end?

[747] Well, I saw it coming, because I knew he was dead.

[748] Right.

[749] I didn't know.

[750] I didn't know.

[751] And apologies to people who I just spoiled that for.

[752] It's not spoiling.

[753] It's pretty obvious when you watch it that he's going to die.

[754] I mean, dude, it's, it was heavy.

[755] He was using ice picks and climbing on icicles.

[756] Yeah.

[757] Oh, my God.

[758] That was such a great movie.

[759] Yeah, I mean, he, he decided.

[760] that regular rock climbing wasn't scary enough.

[761] And, you know, and Alex talked about him admirably.

[762] You know, like Alex was like this guy was so good.

[763] It was such a good climber that to him, he needed really dangerous things to get him jazzed up.

[764] So he would climb in like Argentina, these mountains covered in ice in the winter.

[765] And he got caught in a landslide or, you know, an avalanche.

[766] Yep.

[767] not in yeah and it wasn't like uh he screwed up they never even recovered his body right he's a part of the fucking glacier now right and do but and when you climb like for anybody who climbs mount everest don't you just like climb past like skeletal remains like yeah yeah they leave the bodies yeah you climb past them and they're white because like they're they're basically just completely frozen solid and and it's just like a white piece of meat and then the the clothing is like ripped apart so you can see the flesh underneath it that's hard as a rock it's like so it's frozen all year around it never thaws never thaws wow yeah you're just up there frozen like a rock forever yeah and they leave the bodies there because it's too dangerous to bring them back like there's a lot of people that are like there's a dead guy that you pass by I mean these people people that are up there doing it like look at that guy whoa yeah died there's 200 bodies up there jesus at least they haven't they don't know the official number oh over 300 people mother fucker how many people die climbing everest every year over 300 total i've died so i don't know about every year mm 311 i said it's just said is the uh they die every year though you know what's fascinating to me is how like deliberate people are to avoid contemplating their own mortality.

[768] This is a weird one.

[769] The Everest one's a weird one.

[770] Because it's also, it's like, I mean, I admire people that want to take challenges on and do things that are very difficult because I'm just guessing that the sense of accomplishment after you do it is probably pretty extraordinary.

[771] But, the other hand, like, fuck, man. You're passing by people who didn't make it.

[772] right you know two climbers found a woman alone and dying yelling please don't leave me but were forced to continue let her die as they had no means to help her and staying would risk their own lives they felt so guilty they spent years saving up enough money to finally return and give her a proper burial oh my god so what made them able to hang out with her the second time oh my god i know right oh hey there's that lady that we didn't save it's so crazy yeah i read the Sorry about this woman who climbed Mount Everest because she wanted to prove that being a vegan didn't make you weak and she died.

[773] There's another one.

[774] Look at that body.

[775] Fuck that.

[776] Frozen, pale, white.

[777] Scroll back.

[778] The body was named Green Boots, perhaps the most well -known body on Everest.

[779] His real name was Swang Pajor.

[780] He died during the name.

[781] 1996 Mount Everest disaster while descending from the summit he was trapped in a blizzard and died due to exposure Is there another mountain that people die like crazy They die on K2 Yeah K2 kills a lot of people And then there's other mountains where Like that's one of the thing they covered in the Alpinist where like a quarter of the people Who try to summit it die Man Yeah these be fucking people man They just Look at this 29 % fatality rate More than a quarter The main peak of Annapurna Massif is the most dangerous of the world's mountains with a 29 % fatality rate of everyone who tries to climb it.

[782] Since 1900, an estimated 244 expeditions have resulted in 72 deaths.

[783] Fuck.

[784] And the next most dangerous, Kang Chenjwana.

[785] With a slightly higher death rate.

[786] 29 .1 % death rate.

[787] Yeah.

[788] Yes.

[789] Yeah, 29%.

[790] K2, almost as dangerous.

[791] Yeah.

[792] Everest, by contrast, is a 4 % fatality, right?

[793] So Everest is for pussies.

[794] Those are what I'm getting out of this.

[795] Still 4%.

[796] You grow up with 100 people, four of them are going to die.

[797] Right.

[798] I think that so many people are just hyper -focused on not like contemplating their mortality that they fail to live deliberately while they're alive there's an argument for that there's people that don't want to take any risks at all right listen I certainly take risks I'm not suggesting that you that you should take risks or anything like that I just think that by by living with your blinders on you know like I have this theory that that, you know, particularly in Western civilization, like America, like where we live.

[799] Like, actually being old is like a fucking party foul.

[800] You know, people don't want to, like, people want to take elderly folks and just shuttle them into a nursing home and not deal with them, not look at them.

[801] Like, it's, like, old people serve as a reminder of.

[802] your mortality and it just bums people out like being old as a party foul well there's that but there's also people can't take care of people they don't have the ability if you're working full time and you have a career and a family and your father is unable to take care of himself anymore you're left with a limited amount of options like what are you going to do are you going to abandon your life for the next 10 years so that you take care of this person 24 hours a day or are you going to put him in some sort of a medical facility but then the big fear is that he gets abused there that is a sad as scariest shit when you see those videos of people getting abused in nursing homes like hidden camera footage of the last days of your life some young asshole is fucking smacking you in the head and shoving your face and food i haven't seen any of those videos i'm glad they're horrible and yeah and maybe it's not about putting people in nursing homes but I just think that there's a real like a real like like living with the blinders on like like I don't want to think about it la la la la and then you end up you know further down the road thinking like oh man why didn't I do this why didn't I do that as opposed to really like being deliberate and and living the life you would want to have lived when it's coming to an end Well, I think it's also a learned thing to be able to take chances.

[803] And if you go through your life and you get to, maybe you have a family and your family is your mother and your father are averse to risks and they play everything safe.

[804] And then they drill it into your head to play it safe.

[805] And then all of a sudden you're 35, you don't know how to do anything risky.

[806] Right.

[807] This is like the life you've always lived.

[808] I mean, there's how many people that just live this sedentary lifestyle and they're just gelat.

[809] Madness blobs sitting in a chair every day and trying to avoid risk.

[810] And by the way, those are the people that freaked out the most when COVID came along.

[811] Right.

[812] Because they were really, like, genuinely vulnerable.

[813] Whereas, you know, if you're an athlete and you're relatively healthy, that was not something you were as terrified of.

[814] And those people got mad at those people that weren't terrified.

[815] Because for them, it was literally like there was a demon waiting to get them because they were scared.

[816] Because they did, and the crazy thing was when those people got vaccine, they're like, well, I'm the smart one.

[817] I've taken care of myself.

[818] What are you doing?

[819] Like, bitch, you live in a glass house.

[820] Like, your body is barely functional and you have no resiliency.

[821] You know, that vaccine, it'll help you a little, but you've got other problems.

[822] Like, you're obese, and that is one of the number one causes of death.

[823] Like, the idea that you're going to be safe from danger.

[824] because you've got a COVID vaccine.

[825] Like, okay, well, maybe you'll be safer from COVID, but you're still vulnerable as fuck if you're obese.

[826] Right.

[827] It is one of the worst things, and it's 40 % of the United States.

[828] Right.

[829] I mean, somebody said this, said, you see super old people smoking cigarettes all the time.

[830] Because they're like, fuck it.

[831] But how often do you see super old obese people?

[832] You don't.

[833] You don't.

[834] You don't.

[835] I mean, when you put it in those charms, it becomes very evident that obese.

[836] Some people can just smoke for whatever reason.

[837] Right.

[838] It's weird.

[839] Did you see that guy who, a Chinese guy who was running marathons who was, he ran a marathon in three and a half hours while smoking cigarettes?

[840] See you can find that cat.

[841] You got him?

[842] I mean, it's hilarious.

[843] Seeing this guy run.

[844] He's running like really good times.

[845] Look at him.

[846] He's an older guy too.

[847] Uncle Chen.

[848] long distance chain smoking grandpa runs a marathon three point five hours so this dude is fucking chain smoking while he's running a marathon and he's a grandpa but he's running like a real good time like 3 .5 hours okay hold on a second back up back up to that video that guy's younger than me by five years so fuck that I just changed my tune some in way better that guy.

[849] That was like, remember when we saw that old dude that got in a fight outside of the bar?

[850] And I was like, look at that old man. Because they said it was like a 92 -year -old boxer and he's fucking these dudes up.

[851] And then I found that he was younger than me. He was actually only 53.

[852] I was like, oh, well, he's in terrible shape.

[853] That time is pretty fast.

[854] I was just looking at the New York City Marathon qualifying times.

[855] And for a 40 to 40 -year -old, you have to be under four hours.

[856] And this is half an hour faster than that.

[857] Yeah, no, that's a legit time.

[858] Like a really good marathon runner, three hours is the goal, right?

[859] They want to get under three hours.

[860] That guy's fucking hoofing it at 50 years old, and he's smoking cigs the whole way.

[861] Look at them.

[862] It's better than being obese.

[863] Fuck cigarettes.

[864] Yeah, fuck all that stuff.

[865] But look at them.

[866] Healthy as fuck.

[867] You know, in Thailand, a lot of the Thai fighters smoke cigarettes.

[868] A lot of the Thai boxers, they smoke and they drink, and then they fight.

[869] Yeah.

[870] It's crazy.

[871] Yeah, super crazy.

[872] So, dude, I've got to tell you about how I wrote about you in my new book.

[873] You did?

[874] Yeah, I did.

[875] Like, just as an example where I was talking about how I got into stand -up.

[876] And certain people were not, like, particularly supportive.

[877] There's like, I made an example about how I went on Mark Maren's podcast to promote my first special.

[878] And there I was, and he says, you know, I got to admit, like I'm kind of a purist when it comes to stand -up.

[879] And when I saw that you were doing stand -up, I didn't like it.

[880] You know, like, and I remember thinking kind of like, like, why is he insane?

[881] He said the same thing to me. Right.

[882] When I first started doing stand -up.

[883] Right.

[884] Fuck off.

[885] Like, stand -up is an art form.

[886] Anyone can do an art form.

[887] Sure.

[888] Sure.

[889] And as I kind of broke this down in my book sort of, I said that I really believe that that's an example of somebody operating with a mentality of scarcity, where like the idea is that in reality, these people are concerned that if Stivo comes in to stand up and has success, that that means that there is going to be less on the table.

[890] then it's going to take away from them.

[891] You know, there's not enough to go around and that this is their way of dealing with what they perceive as a threat.

[892] And that's operating with the mentality of scarcity.

[893] And then there's people like Joe Rogan who operate with a mentality of abundance where you're perfectly comfortable that there's enough to go around and you're not threatened by anything.

[894] You actually encourage people to get into it.

[895] And I just had to, you know, I'm so fucking grateful for that, you know, for the way that you supported me, for the way that you support everybody and that you just want there to be more funny shit in the world.

[896] Well, thank you.

[897] But I think I encourage people to try things.

[898] And look, the idea that stand, look, everyone talks.

[899] Stand up is talking and being funny while you're talking.

[900] That's what it is.

[901] It's like you tell stories.

[902] You figure it out.

[903] It's the idea that only one group of people should be able to do.

[904] this and that it's our thing.

[905] Like, fuck off.

[906] The only people that think that way, they lack self -examination or they're using criticism to avoid looking at their own problems.

[907] There's a great quote that I overuse, but I'm going to say it one more time.

[908] Most criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs.

[909] They haven't done enough.

[910] So they find flaws in other people that maybe don't even exist.

[911] But the idea that you shouldn't be able to try stand -up because they do it, and it's my thing, it's our thing.

[912] Well, first of all, I think you'd be better at it if that was your thing.

[913] And second of all, like this idea that no one else should be able to do it because they come from some other world or some other career or some other thing.

[914] Look, I don't give a fuck of your musician or like your Dean Del Rey.

[915] He didn't even start doing it until he was in his 40s and it became a very good stand -up.

[916] You can, anyone can do comedy.

[917] You just, you might not be able to.

[918] Like, you look, you might not have it in you.

[919] But if you do, I hope you do.

[920] I support you.

[921] It's a wonderful thing to be able to do.

[922] To be able to go out in front of a group of people and make them all laugh and make them all feel better.

[923] Why the fuck wouldn't you encourage more of that?

[924] There's not that many of us.

[925] If the idea that it's a fucking famine mentality, boy, what a famine it is then.

[926] Because there's only like a thousand of us on earth.

[927] How many fucking professional stand -ups are there?

[928] There's a million doctors in America.

[929] How many fucking stand -ups are there?

[930] There's so few that are like legitimate professional stand -ups that can consistently churn out a new hour over the next few years and perform in front of live audiences on a regular basis and kill.

[931] There's so few.

[932] There's so fucking few.

[933] The idea that you wouldn't encourage that.

[934] What do you want the art form to die off?

[935] You know, because, like, it kind of almost did during COVID.

[936] I mean, COVID got weird.

[937] You know, people were doing Zoom stand -up and people were doing stand -up behind grass and driving.

[938] Well, you know, Bert did that and that actually worked.

[939] Yeah, Bill Burr was telling me about doing that.

[940] Yeah, Burr did those.

[941] A lot of people did outdoor shows.

[942] Look, I did a lot of outdoor shows during the pandemic with Chappelle.

[943] We did it at Stubbs in town, which is like this outside amphitheater.

[944] But we did, like, you know, COVID bubble, tested everybody, tested the entire crowd.

[945] So you had to get there half an hour before you got seated and everybody got tested.

[946] But the idea that, like, you shouldn't do it and it's my thing.

[947] Right.

[948] That's just a stupid person.

[949] I'm so fucking glad I did it, dude.

[950] Fuck, yeah.

[951] You shouldn't be glad.

[952] It's fun.

[953] Isn't it great?

[954] It's fun.

[955] Like, when I started out doing it, and dude, it's crazy, I've been doing it, I started touring in 2010.

[956] Yeah, you're 12 years in a comedy now.

[957] You know, wow?

[958] Super well.

[959] The first time I tried stand -up was 2006, so, like, went away long.

[960] But I've only been, like, really, like, in earnest touring since 2010.

[961] There's a thing that comics also do, where they don't treat beginners like they're comics, and I'm opposed to that, too.

[962] Well, first of all, I'm a martial artist, so I come from this mentality where you're always encouraging people to try, because even if you're never going to be very good at martial arts, it will be very good for you.

[963] It will benefit you to try to get better at this difficult thing because it is a vehicle for developing your human potential.

[964] I feel like everything that you do that is difficult is a vehicle for developing your human potential, whether it's learning how to play chess, learning a new language, writing a book, anything you do that's difficult allows you to confront your character flaws and allows you to confront your discipline issues, allows you to confront all the thoughts that are in your mind that maybe you haven't properly organized, and it gives you a chance to excel at life.

[965] And for people that don't understand that or don't get that, they're generally selfish or narcissistic.

[966] There's something wrong with them that they don't see that a person who is attempting to do this difficult thing should be encouraged.

[967] Because, like, if you're, just because you started when you're 35 as opposed to starting when you're 21 or what, nonsense.

[968] Like, I met a woman who, she started doing jiu -jitsu when she was 58 years old and she got her black belt in her 60s.

[969] That's amazing.

[970] That's an amazing accomplishment.

[971] Now, is that lady going to go to the UFC and fuck everybody up?

[972] No. So if she shouldn't, should she not be encouraged?

[973] That's crazy.

[974] Right.

[975] And the idea that, like, it belongs to, like, the youth or it belongs to people who have been in the arts their whole life.

[976] That's nonsense.

[977] It's such a foolish way of approaching life.

[978] Right.

[979] And it's also, like, you're defining yourself in this very egotistical way and, like, that you're a tourist and you're a purveyor of the truth and you're the only way that this should be done is my way.

[980] Nonsense.

[981] Pure nonsense.

[982] By fools.

[983] Only a fool would think that way.

[984] Yeah.

[985] To what you're saying about the martial arts, I really feel strongly that skateboarding instilled in me like the most crucial shit in life.

[986] I'm sure.

[987] It's hard.

[988] It's super fucking hard.

[989] It's fucking hard to do.

[990] Like, 1985, the Back to the Future movie came out.

[991] I was in sixth grade, and I saw Michael J. Fox holding on to the back of the fucking car cruising around.

[992] I saw the skateboard tricks in the movie, and I was like, dude, I got a, every kid thought, I got a fucking truck.

[993] Yeah.

[994] There was a fucking skateboard underneath every goddamn Christmas tree that year.

[995] And, like, every kid had a skateboard.

[996] It was the wildest fat ever.

[997] And in short order, every kid found out how fucking hard it was to ride this goddamn thing.

[998] Every kid trying to ride, it fell down, it hurt themselves.

[999] Like, at least 90 % of these kids fucking, like, these skateboards went totally unused.

[1000] And the kids that didn't put it away, the kids that stuck with it, I mean, right there, dude, that is a white hot core of just the fucking, like, persist.

[1001] Distance, dedication, like fucking sacrifice.

[1002] Yes.

[1003] Like skateboarding weeds out, pussies and quitters and just isolates kids who will...

[1004] Figure it out.

[1005] Yeah, just put effort and fucking tenacity.

[1006] And on top of that, like, you know, with the getting hurt and the fucking doing it, the sacrifice.

[1007] And then on top of that, everything that you're riding your skateboard on, you're effectively fucking vandalizing.

[1008] So, like, you know, it's like, there's like a criminal, like, piece to it, this, like, anti -authority piece to it.

[1009] There's just this, like, and, and even further, there's no other activity in the world that, that lent itself to, to documenting what you're doing with a video camera.

[1010] You know, so, like, skateboarders got a story.

[1011] super leg up on video production.

[1012] Like Spike Jones' very first video project was a skateboard video.

[1013] No kidding.

[1014] He started out as a photographer for a skateboard company.

[1015] And the guy in charge of that skateboard company decided that he wanted to make a video because that was like in the 80s.

[1016] Like this was like what was putting companies in front of other companies.

[1017] He's like, man, I want to make a video.

[1018] He didn't have anybody to make the video.

[1019] He just had Spike Jones, who was a photographer.

[1020] And Spike got that job by default And that was the 1980s It was his first video project And then boom, look at him He's fucking got Oscars and shit Yeah, I support people doing things that are difficult Because I think through doing things that are difficult You learn about yourself You know, there's a this My right arm, I have a tattoo of Miyamoto Musashi Because I read a quote when I was 16 years old when I was doing martial arts I read the Book of Five Rings.

[1021] And this is, that's Miyamoto Musashi on my right arm.

[1022] And he wrote this book, The Book of Five Rings, which was a book on strategy.

[1023] And Miyamoto Musashi was a samurai who killed 62 men in one -on -one combat.

[1024] And he wrote this quote, wrote this incredible book about it.

[1025] But one of the things he wrote in the book was, once you understand the way broadly, you can see it in all things.

[1026] And I think that all difficult things are development, they aid you in developing your human potential.

[1027] And you find a way to get out of your own way by getting good at all kinds of things.

[1028] You cut through the bullshit.

[1029] You think you're great at skateboarding.

[1030] No, you're not.

[1031] You suck at it.

[1032] You've got to get better at it.

[1033] And the only way to get better out is to practice it until you get better at it.

[1034] And then you find that way.

[1035] And in that way of getting better at that, you could apply that to playing the piano.

[1036] You could apply that to playing chess.

[1037] Everything.

[1038] You could apply it to everything.

[1039] And that's why I have this tattoo.

[1040] That's what it means to me. It's like this idea is that difficult things are tools.

[1041] They're tools to maximize the way your mind interacts with life.

[1042] Yeah.

[1043] For sure.

[1044] Yeah.

[1045] So whether it's stand -up or learning how to play guitar or whatever it is, you can get better at things.

[1046] And when I see a guy who's a comic and they're an open micer and they get a couple of laughs on stage, I treat them the same way I treat a headliner or the same why I treat someone who I work with on the road that's a comic I don't say you're not a comic yet you're not a comic yet but you're certainly not good yet but that's okay that's the same as a white belt if I see someone who's a white belt in jihitsu I don't say oh you fucking suck you're not even good yet you're not even black belt well it takes a while to get good but if you keep going you'll get good I try to encourage people it's fucking getting good at stand up takes a long time man fuck yeah it does It keeps going, too.

[1047] You keep getting better.

[1048] Oh, dude, 100%.

[1049] The, the, um, for me when I first started, it, it felt like such a departure from, you know, like I've been doing this, this jackass shit.

[1050] Now I'm going to do stand -up and it's going to be separate, you know, and I'm just going to devote myself to it and I'm going to work to establish myself in it.

[1051] And it was just me in the microphone.

[1052] And I would do like, you know, I would have like a set of.

[1053] stand -up and then I would do like a set of like silly circus tricks you know like whatever and like have that be part of my show and um I did my first special uh it came out in 2016 and and I can't watch that shit I mean it's so gnarly like uh this whole like I had this thing like with fucking like that when Tim Kennedy choked young conscious oh I told you not to do that too well it would have been fine except I told him to drop me yeah that's not good and you get a head injury right right um but uh but but then that what would happen was really interesting after after i taped that special then i went to go put together my next hour and as i was putting together that that second hour it occurred to me one night that the the stories that i was telling comprising this new act of were things that largely happened on video camera so then And then I thought, oh my God, what if my next special in post -production, I interstitially edit in the footage of the stories unfolding so that it's got a multimedia quality too.

[1054] Yeah, that's great.

[1055] Dude, my head exploded.

[1056] I got so fucking excited about it.

[1057] And then what happened next was I had to see it, see if it worked.

[1058] So I started recording my sets and then editing the footage into it.

[1059] And this was like the biggest thing for me because prior to that, I just resisted studying footage of my stand -up.

[1060] Like a lot of comics have a lot of trouble watching footage with their performance.

[1061] It just makes you uncomfortable.

[1062] Makes you cringe.

[1063] Yeah.

[1064] And that all went away because I, had this idea like I got to see what what editing the foot so it forced me to to study my my stand -up you know like I put I record my sets I put it in the computer and I like bring in the the footage and dude I saw it right away I'm like this fucking works this is epic and and and the way that that forced me to study footage of my stand -up like the craziest thing the things that made me cringe I addressed them You know, like, it sped up the progression of my stand -up so, so much by studying it.

[1065] And the best thing, too, was that for the next, like, couple years that, you know, that I toured with that hour, I did not have the footage with me on the road as, like, a crutch to lean on.

[1066] Like, for that whole tour, it was just me in the microphone, and the shows were, like, successful in the own right you know like i got through it just me in the microphone no benefit and the footage came in in post production and um so then i uh i put out that that special and like as as far as i know that was the world's first fucking multimedia stand -up comedy special i put it out on my own website and i fucking killed it that was when i duct tape myself to the billboard did you ever see that yeah i did yeah that was to promote that you know me putting out my own special And dude, I was fucking super successful with it.

[1067] That's awesome.

[1068] But when that, but by the time I put that out, then I had like two like really big things that were kind of irking me was that like up up to that point my stand -up had been an exercise and living in the past.

[1069] It's just like, oh, you know, old footage, like old fucking memory lane shit.

[1070] I felt like I was turning into a schmuck like who won't shut up about what he could bench press and high school.

[1071] Oh, right.

[1072] Like Al Bundy talking about the high school football days.

[1073] Right.

[1074] So what I wanted to do next for the third hour was to, like, create all new content, new material that's current, and I wanted to bring footage with me on the road.

[1075] So I said about, I set about, like, taping, like, new high -level ass shit.

[1076] And what's so rad about it is that over the last 12 years, like my various worlds have all just converged into one.

[1077] So now when you go see me on tour, you're seeing me perform stand -up.

[1078] I tell a story.

[1079] And then after I get done telling that story, then I screen the footage.

[1080] Oh, so you're at it in the actual audience.

[1081] The audience sees it too.

[1082] Now the footage comes with me on the road.

[1083] That's great idea.

[1084] It's great idea.

[1085] like the idea that you should only do stand -up one way is also stupid yeah dude it works so fucking well for me like the sure you have so many different fucking things you've done yeah i mean so few people have that many extreme experience you almost got killed by lions you know who will fucking say that there's so many experiences that you have like that that's great so dude i'm yeah i'm just really really excited about this is my new tour it's called the bucket list and and like the the bucket list is just these the most preposterous fucking ideas that I ever came up with and I never expected that I would do any of them and then at a certain point I was just like fuck it dude that's like the shit that hasn't been done I'm going to do it and and so yeah man like I've got to let people know I graduated from comedy clubs after 11 years in comedy clubs made it to theaters now I'm traveling on a tour bus and like the whole deal like it's just fucking it's exploded and I've got I've got a bunch of dates in December starting November 29th in Philly I got in New York like all around I'm doing a run of of the U .S. in December So when you do stand -up are you doing mostly talking about stories or do you just make observations two do you talk about different things about life?

[1086] It's absolutely storytelling but uh but i'm i'm going for like maximum last per minute you know like it's uh it's all about building jokes into the stories you know yeah so when you write are you do you sit down physically and write or do you like say i i have this story let me figure out how to make this story better on stage like how are you doing it it'll work different ways sometimes i'll write it sometimes i'll just go out and have the experience you know like um i'll i'll have like the the crazy idea for for whatever the the stunt is and i'll go and film it and then have having filmed it then i'll go to the comedy store and just take 10 minutes to just work on that chunk and so when you go on the road are you bringing traditional stand -ups to open for you or you just going out by yourself how are you doing that i've done it all different ways I've had I bring the guys from Jackass I just had Wee Man with me in Canada and that's a hoot You know I'll cycle in like dudes from Jackass For a while I had my tour manager Like who's just terrified of public speaking And I'm like dude I'm gonna make you do it And he did stand up?

[1087] Oh God He would Tell the audience to the audience.

[1088] Bammy, you eat?

[1089] She only did, like, five minutes.

[1090] The thing was that at that point, at that point, we still had, like, we were in comedy club still, and the comedy club would, like, bring in someone, like, to be a feature.

[1091] And, like, there was, like, no pertinence to it.

[1092] You know, it was, like, you've got this random guy doing, like, random material about it.

[1093] And I thought, like, man, why not fucking have my guy do it?

[1094] And plus the other thing, too, was that he started out, my tour managers and now my business partner, started out as my professional cock blocker.

[1095] Because, you know, I had some serious sexual.

[1096] Yeah, we talked about this the last time you were here.

[1097] Yeah, yeah.

[1098] You needed someone to keep you from going on a rampage.

[1099] Right.

[1100] Well, I think it's the same mindset that would make you a drug addict.

[1101] It's the same thing.

[1102] For sure, for sure.

[1103] So the fact that he could go out on stage and be like, oh, well, we met in sex addict rehab.

[1104] Like, it's like pretty fucking funny.

[1105] There was a lot built into it that made that make sense.

[1106] Isn't it interesting how the mind works, how the same thing that would make you a sex addict would also make you.

[1107] get really good at comedy because you obsess on things and then you just try to get more of it like what is how do what how do I get those laughs how do I figure it out how I present it to people that it's funnier and get that get those pops yeah and it's crazy some things you think are going to work so well don't work and then other things that like but you figured it out some people never figured out that's the sad of shit the saddest shit is that people there's comics that look I'm all for everyone trying comedy, but some people don't ever get it.

[1108] They'd never get it.

[1109] And I don't know why.

[1110] I don't know what it is.

[1111] Some people get it.

[1112] Like I saw guys that used to struggle, like Sebastian used to struggle.

[1113] He used to struggle.

[1114] And then one day I was, I hadn't seen him in a while because, you know, I got kicked out of the comedy store in 2007 and I was on the road and I was in Vegas.

[1115] I'm pretty sure I was in Vegas for a UFC and I was alone in my hotel room watching TV, just flipping through the channels and Showtime came on and Sebastian was on.

[1116] I was like, oh look at Sebastian's got a special and it was fucking great it was really funny and I remember tweeting it saying how fucking funny it is and I got a hold of him I said dude that was awesome I just loved it I loved that he found his confidence he found that thing whatever it is that swagger he figured it out dude how good is fucking Ari's juice it's amazing it's amazing I'm so fucking impressed by that I'm so happy for him I'm so happy for him because that was something that he worked on for a long time.

[1117] Evidently.

[1118] I mean, dude, it's like...

[1119] It's like...

[1120] It's like...

[1121] fucking really good.

[1122] And it's getting really, really well received.

[1123] And he's at, like, more than 3 million downloads now.

[1124] It's 3 ,227 ,996.

[1125] Amazing.

[1126] And that's only in two weeks.

[1127] It's incredible.

[1128] Not even two weeks.

[1129] 13 days.

[1130] Every day, more and more people are watching it.

[1131] And it's really fucking good.

[1132] And he worked really hard on it.

[1133] And that's a thing, man. You can fucking get better at stuff if you can do it.

[1134] Right.

[1135] But the thing is, like, comedy is, it's a weird thing.

[1136] You know, I encourage, like, I encourage everyone to try martial arts.

[1137] The difference is, with martial arts, you might always suck and you're going to try to get better, but at least there's, like, techniques that you can use that everybody uses.

[1138] With comedy, it's your own mind.

[1139] Yeah.

[1140] It's like you sing the world.

[1141] It's like, you can't really, I mean, you really shouldn't use other people's premises and try to, copy their shit.

[1142] Oh, really?

[1143] Yeah, it's a fucking problem with people.

[1144] We've had problems of people where, like, you know, they'll, like, guys opening for guys will start doing bits on the same subject these people cover after they, even setting them up the same way.

[1145] Like, I had to talk to a guy about it recently.

[1146] Like, hey, motherfucker, you got to stop doing that.

[1147] Like, you're, you're literally, you're, this is like a, you're, you're in the neighborhood of stealing, because you're working for a guy and you're doing his premises before he does them.

[1148] Yeah.

[1149] It's called stepping on premises I'm happy to report that that is not a concern obviously but my point is it like for some people they just can't do it for whatever reason I don't know why that's the bummer because like even though I'm encouraging people to do stand -up there's like certain people that like want to do sets on my shows I'm like no I can't have ya on like you're just not good like and how do you say that to someone you put me in a position or you're asking me to perform on my show but I can't have you on or I'll have you on once or twice and then I'm like this is not you can't do this it's the worst it's horrible when you've got someone opening for you that's not doing a good job it's the bummer so uncomfortable and it's another thing that people who suck do they like to take people on the road with them who suck because they want they want to come in and rescue them like people that are like mildly competent they want to bring like the worst opening acts so that this audience has to suffer through 20 minutes of nonsense.

[1150] Well, right.

[1151] Like, a lot of people are threatened by someone getting on there and killing it.

[1152] Yeah, that's another famine mentality thing.

[1153] I try to bring the best fucking people I can find.

[1154] I try to bring just straight up killers, headliners, and, you know, it's...

[1155] Ian Edwards.

[1156] Yeah, everybody, all this Joey Diaz.

[1157] I brought Ari on the road of me for years.

[1158] Tom Segura, doing stand -up with other people that are really funny makes you better.

[1159] It's like iron sharpens iron.

[1160] You can go over jokes together.

[1161] You can talk about, you know, approaches like, hey, you know, that first set I did it this way.

[1162] But I think I'm going to do it that way.

[1163] And they're like, oh, I have a bit where I did it fucked up for a while, but then I figured this out.

[1164] Right.

[1165] That's the beauty of the art form is that it's this weird puzzle that you're trying to put together.

[1166] And you're trying to, like, work it all out in front of live audience members.

[1167] Like, I'm in this weird place right now where I'm writing all this new shit because I've just filmed a special.

[1168] So now I'm trying to piece together a whole new hour.

[1169] And like, I have these premises that are like infants.

[1170] They can barely walk.

[1171] They're like toddler premises and trying to find like where the beats are.

[1172] And you got to let them grow just like a toddler.

[1173] You got to let them fucking develop muscles and figure out coordination.

[1174] You got to put together these things.

[1175] And it's a challenge.

[1176] One of the unique things about stand -up is every time you release a special or you record a special, then you have to start from scratch.

[1177] Right.

[1178] You know, like my manager was talking to me about doing new tour.

[1179] dates i'm like i'm not doing shit for a long time like i'm not doing shit for months i'm doing local shows where i can do old shit and then fuck around with new shit and then once i release my special then there's no more of that old stuff that's dead to me for sure now i have to write and you got to figure it out and you know it's hard but it's there that challenge makes you new you know like you have the the benefit of being almost like a beginner you have an understanding of how to make things funny but you're a beginner in the sense that you don't have form bits anymore.

[1180] You don't have any weapons.

[1181] Right.

[1182] I took eight months off chunking together my new hour.

[1183] Yeah.

[1184] And it's almost time to do that again.

[1185] It's a lot of work.

[1186] Yeah.

[1187] But it's exciting.

[1188] And it's also humbling, right?

[1189] And I think that's a good thing about comedy that doesn't exist in music.

[1190] If you are a band that had some big hits, you could tour forever with those hits.

[1191] And people get excited.

[1192] If you try to tour forever with some old stand -up, unless you're dice clay yeah but because those rhymes he would just do that at the end yes of course of course I mean but the fact is like when everyone knew his material they still wanted to come see him in arenas right I mean that that is but that's just a completely different form of comedy that he was doing he figured this new thing out like the nursery rhyme thing was like a crazy thing where the audience knew the punch line and they would chant it out with him and they were excited to do that.

[1193] Right.

[1194] What's in the ball, bitch?

[1195] Oh!

[1196] You know, and everybody would go crazy.

[1197] I bet there's not another example of that.

[1198] I don't know of another example.

[1199] There's a few guys that have bits, like with Bert Kreischer, he has to tell that machine story or people blow a gasket.

[1200] With Jim Gaffigan, it's like the Hot Pockets thing.

[1201] Oh, Jim Brewer's got the thing with the alcohol.

[1202] The thing with the alcohol?

[1203] Yeah, the thing with the fuck, what is it?

[1204] where it's like he's got different types.

[1205] Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[1206] Where they have a party in your stomach?

[1207] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a great bit.

[1208] But Jim, Jim is a rare talent, man. He's only going to the most underappreciated stand -up comics of life because Jim can take a premise about things that just happened, and he's so naturally funny.

[1209] He's got this, I mean, it's not natural in that sense that he hasn't worked at it because he most certainly has.

[1210] But he has this ability.

[1211] to like a thing goes on in the news and then he'll just go on stage and he'll have fucking 10 minutes on it and it'll be hilarious because he just has a hilarious way of looking at life like he's a guy that like and he's also he doesn't have an ego like he's not a guy that like looks at himself like is a special person in any way he just does he gets out of his own way you know and just finds the funny and shit people that can't get out of their own that are always concerned about their image always concerned about how other people see them like boy that's a fucking weight you're carrying around it's such a handicap it's so bad it's like it's it just gets in your way and comedy's all about getting out of your own way like finding what it's all about being funny but it's also about finding the funny without you being in the way of it yeah and some and that's one of the things we're getting good at things teaches you getting good at things teaches you the path to getting good at things.

[1212] And if you're a person that's all you've done is like stand -up or all you've done is whatever the art form is.

[1213] And, you know, your whole self -identity is based on you being good at this thing.

[1214] You can't wait to show everybody how good you are at this thing.

[1215] Like, ugh.

[1216] God.

[1217] It's so exhausting and so unnecessary.

[1218] And it's such a burden to carry around.

[1219] Jim Brewer doesn't have any of that.

[1220] He just goes on stage and just fucking, God, fucking.

[1221] Yeah, and just has fun.

[1222] The heavy metal shit, so fucking funny.

[1223] He's just a funny dude, man. I ate it going on after him once more than I've ever eaten it going on after anybody in my whole life.

[1224] I was like three years in the comedy we're working together.

[1225] And he was middling and I was headlining and I really shouldn't have been headlining.

[1226] It was just like one of those days where, you know, you'd just get gigs back then.

[1227] And we were doing this weekend together.

[1228] And I did okay every show except the last one Saturday night.

[1229] I hate shit.

[1230] but that eating shit made me go I'm like okay can't do that again like what was I doing wrong what what what's the what's the fat in these bits let me cut that out let me tighten these up make them better I think that the actually like typing up material comes after working on it for me I think sometimes most effective me there's a bunch of different ways the whole idea is just ideas, right?

[1231] The whole idea is like finding these premises and these thoughts and then just molding them into something that's really good.

[1232] And people do it different ways.

[1233] I know a lot of really good comics.

[1234] You never write anything down.

[1235] They just keep it in their head and they fuck with it in their head and then they go on stage and they keep going on stage and they do a lot of sets.

[1236] Like Ari, most of the stuff he does, he doesn't write.

[1237] Like he just has these premises and he works them out in front of crowds and he just continues to improve on those premises.

[1238] until it becomes a functional bit.

[1239] But then there's other people that where everything they do, they write out almost like a monologue, and then they kind of tighten it up with the audience.

[1240] Like Chris Rock will have, he'll record a set, then send it to someone who types it up, and then sends back the word document, and then he'll go through the word document.

[1241] Yeah, Chris has always like, He also has famously employed other comics, like Rich Jennery was one of the best ones that he brought on the road with him, and he would have Rich watch his set, and then afterwards they would talk about it.

[1242] Right.

[1243] You know, Rich would give him his advice or his opinion.

[1244] So when you have someone who's a peer, who's also like a top -level comic, and they actually have a job, and their job is to sit down and watch you and then you brainstorm afterwards, that's a great benefit, too.

[1245] Yeah.

[1246] And there's a lot of people that don't do that.

[1247] I think Chris is brilliant in that regard that he did that.

[1248] It's like a good, it's a sign of a healthy ego too because he's willing to bring people in to say, like you would hire like two or three guys, like Rich Voss.

[1249] I think he did it with Nick DePaolo, and he had these guys, and they would go and sit and watch him, and then, you know, they would sit down and talk about it afterwards.

[1250] They'd have dinner or something like that, and they'd go over the set, and then Chris would make notes and think about what they said and think about the way he felt, and then he'd rewrite things and reformulate things and Chris would go on stage and try not to kill too he would go on stage purposely to try to find those uncomfortable moments where you like had to find the funny like you put himself out there you know where he was like out on a limb and like your fuck the audience is waiting for you to say something fine and then something would eventually come and maybe it wouldn't and maybe it would and but the ones that did then he kept that Okay, I got something now.

[1251] But you have to be willing to try new things to do that.

[1252] And one of the things that happens to comics, once they start doing well, and this is a real danger for young comics, they'll put together like 15 minutes that's good, and then they can go up at the store, and they'll have a really solid 15 minutes set.

[1253] They never develop another.

[1254] They never expand.

[1255] They don't ever try new stuff in there because they only have 15 minutes.

[1256] They want to kill.

[1257] They're sandwiched in between Jeff Ross and Anthony Jesselnick, and they don't want to bomb, so they don't try new stuff.

[1258] I mean, dude, for the longest time, I was terrified of doing stand -up in L .A. Because the same thing.

[1259] Yeah?

[1260] I want to kill.

[1261] I'm like, dude, if I want to fucking, you know, work on material, I'll be doing that when I'm in fucking the funny bone in fucking Oklahoma.

[1262] You can do that, too.

[1263] Right.

[1264] do that too but i think you got to figure out a way to work it in well right i mean i uh i i let thankfully left that behind you know some time ago but uh but yeah it was just really it used to be really uncomfortable for me to go do local sets in la because stevo doing stand -up you know a lot of people look kind of sideways at that and then there's the the fact that that um that people aren't there to see me they're there you know it's like uh you know which is actually a benefit but um and then there's the the level that in the crowd are going to be like people who are like you know agents you know industry professionals like it just felt like a lot of pressure and it used to scare the shit out of me it should yeah but you know you're in the big leagues you're doing stand -up at the comedy store you're in the fucking big leagues you're at the improv that's the big leagues but that's also how you get better you know you gotta be scared you can't just be the fucking hero every time you go yeah 100 % and like i said when i took the when i took that eight months off to put together the bucket list uh it was all the comedy story it was all the improv the laugh factory yeah and the key is also doing different places too right like going to the ice house going to the ha ha going to these different places get a different feel these different neighborhoods these different clubs you're working at is there's a lot going on man when you're you're piecing together material but you know i think uh it's it's unfortunate that you had to like oh stevo's doing comedy like i don't get that at all even actors like actors go up i give them a chance like if you really want to do it like good luck i hope you do well right i would love to see some person who's an actor and then all sudden there's there a killer stand -up comic look that's fucking neil brennan who's a great stand -up comic was a producer of the Chappelle show.

[1265] He was the co -creator.

[1266] When I met Neil, Neil was a do Dorman at Boston Comedy, the club in New York City in the village.

[1267] And I knew him from then.

[1268] And then when he started doing stand -up, I'm like, good for you.

[1269] That's fucking awesome.

[1270] And so many people were hating on him even back then.

[1271] They just, people are weird, man. They just get scared and they don't want you to do the thing that they do.

[1272] Right.

[1273] I think a lot of it, too, was just me putting that on myself, me just assuming that people were looking at me that way.

[1274] Oh, they definitely were looking at you like that.

[1275] It's not putting on yourself.

[1276] It's just, I'm saying those people who are doing it were cunts.

[1277] Right, right, right, right.

[1278] It's insecurity.

[1279] It's all it is.

[1280] Like, if someone's a fucking housewife and they're 45 years old, they just decide to go on stage for the first time, I'm rooting for them.

[1281] I want them to do well.

[1282] I want everybody to do well.

[1283] It's a possibility.

[1284] You can do well.

[1285] And the more people that do...

[1286] Like, if I watch someone, woman who's 35 years old or 45 years old was never done stand -up ever and she goes up and kills that's exciting to me i'm like ooh she's got talent probably maybe made her friends laugh and thought she could do it and spent the time or wrote some stuff out that's great it's great for the art form it's great for everybody your boy curtis from the comedy store last night was saying that in texas that's like the sensibility of the crowd like more so than than anywhere else that they're they really are rooting for the comic to have success on stage.

[1287] Well, we have a really good environment here, you know, and it's essentially there was always a kind, there was a scene, a small scene here, but now like 12 world -class comics have moved here during the pandemic.

[1288] So it's fucking amazing.

[1289] Like the show tonight, it's Duncan Truzzle and Tony Hinch -Fiff and William Montgomery.

[1290] And it's fucking great.

[1291] I love Duncan Truzzle so much.

[1292] He's the best.

[1293] I love him to death.

[1294] My, of my podcasts that I've recorded, my two favorite ones are Duncan, Trussell, and Kevin Smith.

[1295] Oh, well, two great, great people to talk to.

[1296] But yeah.

[1297] Great, interesting people.

[1298] Just getting into, like, weird, like, spiritual, fucking, like, philosophical, like, what's the universe about?

[1299] Like, those conversations were just so fucking great, man. Well, Duncan, he brings out a special quality in people, too.

[1300] There's something about his inquisitiveness and his mind.

[1301] excites a part of your mind, makes you think that way.

[1302] Dude, I, when I was talking to Duncan Trussle on my podcast, I told him, we were talking about consciousness, and I said, I have a theory that people are making a mistake in assuming that the human brain is a generator of consciousness, that that's where the word consciousness originates you know so the like that it's a transmitter and I said I believe that the brain is a receiver of consciousness so like say for example if you've got a radio you know you can fucking take a sledgehammer you can smash that that radio to oblivion you've killed the radio but you've done nothing to kill the signal right like the The signal is still out there.

[1303] We're just a radio picking up a signal, you know, and that's kind of how I look at it.

[1304] And Duncan Trussell, without skipping a beat, he goes, yep.

[1305] And there's some people walking around thinking, I'm the fucking Beatles.

[1306] Yeah.

[1307] Well, it's an interesting theory.

[1308] It might be all those things.

[1309] It might be you are conscious, and consciousness does emanate in you, And the whole universe is conscious as well.

[1310] It might be your consciousness communicates with all of consciousness.

[1311] It might be, you know, we're limited in that term.

[1312] Like, what is that term?

[1313] It means you're aware.

[1314] It means you're a lot.

[1315] So is my dog.

[1316] You know, I talk to him.

[1317] He's obviously conscious.

[1318] You know, he knows what I'm saying.

[1319] He, you know, he knows I love him.

[1320] Yeah.

[1321] It's like, he's conscious.

[1322] I see him in the morning.

[1323] We have this thing we do in the morning.

[1324] I always go up to him and I go, good morning, sir.

[1325] My wife is funny because she doesn't like when he whines, but I think it's awesome.

[1326] It's hilarious because he whines because he's so happy.

[1327] And he always has to get a toy.

[1328] He'll whenever I, like, he's so funny.

[1329] Like, whenever he gets pet, he wants to go get a toy first because he's a retriever.

[1330] So he goes and gets a toy and he brings it over.

[1331] And then he wants to have the toy in his mouth while he's getting pet.

[1332] And he's saying, oh, mu, hoo, and so we do this now.

[1333] Good morning, sir.

[1334] Good morning.

[1335] I give him all this love.

[1336] And he gets so fucking happy.

[1337] It's so obvious.

[1338] He's conscious.

[1339] So what is that consciousness?

[1340] Like, what is that?

[1341] Is he getting it from the universe?

[1342] It's obviously in him, too.

[1343] Right.

[1344] It's you are conscious and consciousness exists.

[1345] There's something that exists outside of us.

[1346] And I think that's where you pull ideas from.

[1347] They come from the ether, but they also come from your mind.

[1348] They come from, you know, states of consciousness, whether it's psychedelics or meditation or yoga or there's different ways you feel different times depending on how life is going.

[1349] and all that is a factor.

[1350] It is something is in you, but what is that?

[1351] And how much of that is innate to you and how much of that is just in the universe itself?

[1352] It's a massive mystery.

[1353] And I think to isolate it to your own individual mind and to live and dwell inside your own ego and consciousness, I think it's a bit of a trap.

[1354] And even to just say it's not you, It's the, everything, it's, you're an antenna, like, maybe, maybe you're an antenna, maybe.

[1355] I mean, I mean, it's kind of like, it's a very limiting to define it in a way, because we experience it, but to try to box it in is almost to try to understand this thing that's unnerable.

[1356] Yeah, of course.

[1357] Yeah, it's a weird thing to be a person in thinking.

[1358] And there's so, and also to be a person that has thousands of years of human instincts that were ingrained in us through genes.

[1359] in evolution for survival and for social interaction and in order to be able to keep the species moving.

[1360] Like there's all these things that are in us that maybe aren't even very self -serving and you have to kind of navigate those and figure out the best way that you can manage them personally.

[1361] And some people are terrible at it.

[1362] And some people, they push it on everyone else and they fuck everybody else's life around them in order for them to have some sort of sense of control.

[1363] They keep everybody on edge and everybody's upset and then and then they get this high out of like like having disputes with people and then making up you know like there's a lot of people out there they have these like these little bitter battles with people and they really just want love that's really what it is but they don't know how to get love in any way other than like being shitty to people and controlling and then apologizing and then you know and then making up it's like oh those roller coaster type relationships relationships that some people get trapped in.

[1364] Those super highs and super lows and fuck you, I fucking hate you.

[1365] And then you're fucking and having the best time ever.

[1366] It's like nuts.

[1367] But it's just, it's this management of this thing we call consciousness.

[1368] And there's, you know, there's not a lot of fucking really good guidebooks on how to do it.

[1369] And not specifically to you either.

[1370] We're all this very complex individual machine that has all these stories.

[1371] emotions and life experiences and genes and family and loved ones and there's no fucking guidebook for your individual journey and you can kind of like pull abstract thoughts from Alan Watts and Terrence McKenna and all these different people that kind of give you like a framework to think about individual experience yeah Jordan Peterson is great for that too yeah it's fucking badass right and but then also you see flaws in each of these individual people that are giving you great advice and then you see them fuck their life up and you're like wow everybody is really on their own little strange journey trying to navigate this thing right like jordan in particular was on benzos right which is uh anti -anxxx yeah and he got fucking horribly addicted to it and destroyed his life for a few years like and getting off it was horrendous when was that recently wow yeah i mean he just recently coming out of the the fog of it all, you know, and he was on those things for quite a while, and it really fucked him up, like, to the point where he didn't know if he was going to make it.

[1372] Benzos are one of those things where, um, them and alcohol, if you quit cold turkey, you'll die.

[1373] Yeah.

[1374] I mean, even heroin, you can survive quitting cold turkey, as addictive as that is.

[1375] People survive that, but Benzos apparently are a fucking nightmare, a horrible nightmare to try to get over.

[1376] I loved those things, man. I bet.

[1377] I'm scared of those.

[1378] I don't even want to know what that feels like.

[1379] Those in Coke, I'm like, you can keep it.

[1380] I don't want to know.

[1381] Yeah.

[1382] I don't want to know.

[1383] Dude.

[1384] We were talking about the deviated septum, and it's weird that for you, a deviated septum meant one thing, but, like, for me, deviated septum means I've got, like, the whole.

[1385] That's a perforated septum, I think.

[1386] Perf, there you go.

[1387] You're exactly.

[1388] right.

[1389] I think that's different.

[1390] Correct.

[1391] I think that's when people rot out the inside of their nose from doing blow.

[1392] Yeah, I did that.

[1393] Yeah.

[1394] I think Artie Lang did that too.

[1395] When I was in rehab, Knoxville came and visited me and we took the shoelace out of Knoxville's Chuck Taylor and I put it up one nostril through the fucking hole and just straight threaded my nose with it.

[1396] How big was that hole?

[1397] Enough to get the shoelace through.

[1398] Did you get it fixed?

[1399] Did they like sew it up?

[1400] Or there's still a hole in there?

[1401] Still a hole in there.

[1402] So you could do that shoelace trick right now?

[1403] I've tried it, but yeah, I could do it, man. So we try it.

[1404] No, you don't need to do that.

[1405] What is that?

[1406] I'm shining a light.

[1407] The flashlight goes through one hole.

[1408] Oh my God.

[1409] Yeah.

[1410] Oh, wow.

[1411] So that hole is you could put the flashlight in one nostril and it shines through the other.

[1412] shit man yeah the bring up the shoe lace I'm sure that's on there yuck yuck yeah what's you know getting punched in this thing it's like god this thing's so delicate your nose is such a delicate little instrument dude the fucking um like on my second hour I had uh that's that's actually in the you're putting it through oh Jesus Jesus, through the hole.

[1413] So the Coke just burned a hole through the center of your nostril.

[1414] Yeah.

[1415] Oh, God, that's so awful.

[1416] That's Knoxville filming.

[1417] So, that was before I had ever, that was before I had ever broken my nose, right?

[1418] Really?

[1419] All the shit you did, you never broke your nose?

[1420] I never The first time I broke my nose was when we were filming Jackass 3D right and in that movie like Bam had this trick he'd sneak up behind you and with one hand he would throw a cup of water in your face and with the other hand he would like punch you what a great trick it was called the rock he's a regular David Blaine It was called the Rocky And the purpose of it was to Punch you Right Well it was to Take advantage of what at the time Was like super new technology With the Phantom camera Shooting like 1500 frames per second Oh You know it was like We were like the I think the first movie To really really take advantage of that And so like you would see in that super slow motion Like the water And you'd see the face jiggling You know, like, it was pretty rad.

[1421] And they actually, like, played the Rocky music.

[1422] Like, you know.

[1423] Well, so bam.

[1424] Yeah, there you go.

[1425] I mean, it doesn't even look like that big of a deal now.

[1426] What are you talking about?

[1427] It looks like brain damage.

[1428] Oh.

[1429] That looks terrible.

[1430] That looks like someone can get knocked unconscious.

[1431] Oh, my God.

[1432] That's such a cheap shot.

[1433] Yeah, for sure.

[1434] It's just straight sucker punching.

[1435] It's totally sucker punching.

[1436] Yeah.

[1437] Jesus, you guys did some ridiculous shit to each other.

[1438] Right, and so when Bam did that to me, he broke my nose.

[1439] Wow.

[1440] Shocker.

[1441] And I was, like, I didn't do anything about it for like two months, and I was just kind of like was stewing about it.

[1442] And then finally, like, I didn't like the way it looked.

[1443] And I was like, you know what?

[1444] I'm going to go get my fucking nose fixed.

[1445] And I'm going to make the fucking movie pay for it.

[1446] So I go to this, like, fancy, like Beverly Hills.

[1447] nose doctor and he says yeah you know i i could fix it but it's been two months you know it's healed this way so now at this point you have to re -break it oh yeah you're twisted yes so now like uh if we got to re -break it and i heard that and i'm like oh no no big deal you know like i'll live with it then i go to the fucking charlie sheen roast i talked to mike tyson into holding out his fist, just letting me run into it.

[1448] Oh, no. I was trying to get myself a black eye, and what happened was, I just landed with my nose on Mike Tyson's fist, and fucking super broke it.

[1449] And then, that was the last thing that happened on stage of the Charlie Sheen roast.

[1450] So now everybody's like, I'm like just mangled.

[1451] My fucking nose was so broken.

[1452] But the show's over.

[1453] This guy comes up.

[1454] So you threw yourself his fist.

[1455] Sorry, I don't.

[1456] I don't.

[1457] Oh, my God, dude.

[1458] That's horrific.

[1459] Yeah.

[1460] And then this guy comes out of the audience.

[1461] He comes up to me and he says, dude, Steveo, your nose needs to be set right now.

[1462] And, like, that made perfect sense to me because of what the doctor had told me. Yeah.

[1463] So this guy says, I'm a kung fu like, I'm a kung fu instructor.

[1464] Like, I got you.

[1465] And I'm thinking, that doesn't sound great.

[1466] But, like, you know, like.

[1467] And he's not going to make it look any worse.

[1468] I've got very little to lose in this situation.

[1469] So I sit down on the stage and he just fucking wrenches my nose into position.

[1470] And go back to that before and after.

[1471] So that's how he fixed it?

[1472] Oh, so you didn't go to a doctor?

[1473] I got a Mike Tyson nose job, dude.

[1474] It looks great.

[1475] Yeah.

[1476] It looks great.

[1477] Do you go back to where I started before that.

[1478] Yeah, it was definitely twisted to the side.

[1479] So once he snapped it, then you pushed it back into place.

[1480] There's a video of Josh Barnett doing that to someone.

[1481] The guy got his nose broken in training, and Josh Barnett sticks a pencil up his nose and corrects it and pushes it to the side.

[1482] It doesn't feel good.

[1483] Oh, definitely.

[1484] This dude's in agony.

[1485] And, you know, Josh is not the most sensitive to someone in pain.

[1486] So is a pen.

[1487] Yes, I am.

[1488] Okay.

[1489] That's really clever.

[1490] Well, he knows how to do it.

[1491] I mean, Josh has been around combat sports his whole life.

[1492] This side's closed up.

[1493] The other side's not so bad.

[1494] So he's shoving it in there.

[1495] Yes, you can.

[1496] And he just, that guy's got to be an agony right there.

[1497] I remember that.

[1498] Jesus Christ.

[1499] Dr. Josh.

[1500] Yeah, so he fixed it with two pens.

[1501] Here's the thing.

[1502] Try not to fuck with it.

[1503] What do you mean?

[1504] Well, because it's going to it's going to swell.

[1505] It's going to a lot of things.

[1506] and you're going to want to mess with it, and it's going to knock it out.

[1507] See it's straight right now, for the most part.

[1508] It's pretty swollen, though.

[1509] Is there an ice next to it, Josh?

[1510] I don't know.

[1511] Everybody needs to have a friend like that.

[1512] Yeah, well, if you're going to have someone do it, have someone like Josh, who really knows what he's doing, and he's probably done that to many people.

[1513] Evidently, my homie knew what was up.

[1514] Yeah, it worked.

[1515] It worked.

[1516] Fixed it, and you can breathe out of your nose, no problem.

[1517] Pretty good.

[1518] Yeah.

[1519] What happens is because I've got the perforation, like I'll wake up in the morning a lot of the time and I've got just this booger cork.

[1520] Oh, no. And I'll like, you know, I'll plug.

[1521] To push and try to blow it out?

[1522] I can blow it out, but I'll blow out and it'll look like an hourglass sometimes like because it's just a straight cork.

[1523] It's funny.

[1524] After I got my nose fixed, I would for like weeks have these horrendous bloody boogers.

[1525] I mean, they were giant, like the size of a thumb.

[1526] I would blow them out.

[1527] I remember I showed it to Tom Segarra.

[1528] I go, look at that.

[1529] He almost threw up just looking at it.

[1530] These things were giant.

[1531] I think I documented it on my Instagram.

[1532] I think I've got giant bloody boogers.

[1533] No, it was a long time ago.

[1534] It might not have even been Instagram, because this is.

[1535] This is, like, more than 10 years ago.

[1536] Like, when did Instagram start?

[1537] I got it in 2012.

[1538] So I got my nose fixed in 2000, and it's 22.

[1539] I think I probably got it fixed 15 years ago.

[1540] So it was a nine, it's all right?

[1541] Yeah, it sounds about right.

[1542] It sounds about right.

[1543] This is 14 years ago?

[1544] Oh, it's a twit pick.

[1545] Oh, never mind.

[1546] There it is.

[1547] You found it?

[1548] Yeah.

[1549] So it wasn't, it was before.

[1550] Instagram right yeah so here's the tweet yeah and then I think someone found the picture yeah they look at the size of that thing look the size of that fucking thing yeah Jesus Christ and that was a small one I had blown some giant ones out that I didn't document right after I first got it done because it was just like the boogers were just like I don't know I don't know why it was like so susceptible to boogers like my nose is probably freaked out like what did you do right and there was like they had to put plastic splints up in there so they stitched a plastic splint into place and they shoved these tubes these foam tubes and the foam tubes had like little tubes at the end to drain shit out of it and they had to have like a gauze mustache that I wore around for the first day or so after the operation but I highly recommend it to people that there it is see so these like foam things with these holes wow yeah but man they fixed it that's good man it's like if you can't breathe out of your nose there's so many fighters that i talk to and when you talk to they talk like this like you could tell as they're talking that there's no you know they it sounds like they have a stuff he knows because their nose is useless like justing gaugy when you listen to justin talk like for sure his nose is fucked there's no way that guy's breathing out of that nose at all yeah like play a clip of justin gaugy talking try to find a clip when you hear you can hear in his the nasal sound.

[1551] It's super common.

[1552] Like, I hear it in D .C. sometimes when we do commentary together.

[1553] Like, I'm sure his nose is fucked.

[1554] Oh, yeah, surgery?

[1555] Recently?

[1556] Oh, good for him.

[1557] I think I've heard about that.

[1558] So how's life been without a fight books for you so far?

[1559] You know, it's really fast and really slow.

[1560] I really enjoy both parts of this game.

[1561] I got my nose fixed about five weeks ago.

[1562] Okay, so he's still swollen.

[1563] You know, anticipating my food is something I've been really enjoying.

[1564] Well, given that you, I'm sure you haven't been in camp or anything or training, given you had you fixed your nose.

[1565] Have you had time to let the rest of your body heal up to from just constantly being in camp over the last?

[1566] Yeah, so that's a nose surgery that he waited for years.

[1567] If you find videos before that, like, it sounded a little stuffy there.

[1568] But if you listened to him before that, it was, like, probably completely closed off.

[1569] But, you know, Justin has that wild style of fighting.

[1570] When he gets hit, he'll put.

[1571] people into the fire he'll like grab people and jump into a volcano with them like that's yeah see that's how i had to have that that bandage thing yeah bandage mustache i love jessing he's great he's also got no acl one of his knees has no acl i don't know if he bothered getting that fixed or he's going to wait until after he's done fighting but yeah he blew his ACL out and he decided to just keep fighting with no ACL which is crazy but that fucking the world that those guys live in is just a different world.

[1572] Like the world of what kind of pain you can tolerate and what kind of discomfort you can tolerate, that's a different world.

[1573] Right.

[1574] Wild fucking humans.

[1575] Yeah, dude.

[1576] May I want to tell you about my Tesla?

[1577] Well, I saw the video.

[1578] So send Jamie the video so we can play it.

[1579] Yeah.

[1580] If you get air drop it to Jamie.

[1581] This is that.

[1582] It did so much fun.

[1583] So I ordered to Tesla.

[1584] You got to wait for it for quite some time.

[1585] Oh, yeah.

[1586] This is the first thing I did with, I drive to Vegas and I find a crane operator who's willing to hoist up my Tesla over 100 feet in the air so that I can sleep in it overnight.

[1587] So you slept in it up there?

[1588] Yeah.

[1589] Why?

[1590] Just because.

[1591] Like, I thought it.

[1592] Why, Steve?

[1593] And here's the craziest part is that I didn't have a location.

[1594] I go over to the UFC and hanging out with Dana.

[1595] And I'm like, yeah, what do you think if I do this here?

[1596] And Dana's like, yeah, let's do it.

[1597] Who else would you let you do that?

[1598] Because if you open up the door, we're sleeping walking and fell out to your death.

[1599] I mean, like the fucking, to do that, like, to do that, like, you, to permit that would take weeks permits and insurance and like that happened within like 24 fucking hours because Dana said it's cool that's so ridiculous send Jamie the video yeah and so then I left for my Canada tour like you know a couple days after that and literally the fucking day after I get home I've got my buddies have built a ramp over my Tesla.

[1600] They just like mounted a crazy ramp in a track over the whole fucking roof is made out of glass like the windshield goes from the hood all the way to the truck.

[1601] It's like skating over glass and I got Tony Hawk driving my Tesla and I fucking jump my skateboard onto it and skate over the whole thing while it's moving.

[1602] With leopard tights on.

[1603] Pretty ridiculous.

[1604] Yeah, and I just, like, I'm so dying for Elon to see that.

[1605] Well, I'll make sure he sees it.

[1606] Dude, I love it.

[1607] Yeah, he's a little busy right now.

[1608] Oh, I don't doubt it.

[1609] I don't understand why, I mean, the fucking, the fact that guy can do Twitter while he's doing SpaceX and running, I mean, how, how?

[1610] Right.

[1611] We're, I read some articles, I saw, I didn't even read the article, I saw the headline.

[1612] Elon Musk, I have too much on my plate right now.

[1613] Like, duh, you think?

[1614] Fucking duh.

[1615] Yeah, dude, it's, uh, it's a mark.

[1616] But, dude, how about the, are you still driving a Tesla?

[1617] Yeah, yeah, the Model S, the plaid.

[1618] Yeah, oh, yeah, you told me that.

[1619] It's insane.

[1620] The ludicrous mode?

[1621] It's ludicrous all the time.

[1622] I never take it off.

[1623] Well, I had the regular Model S. I never took it off a ludicrous.

[1624] And this one, I don't even know if it has a mode.

[1625] I think you just drive it.

[1626] that way.

[1627] I mean, I never even checked.

[1628] It's so fast.

[1629] The idea that you would make it faster, it's, I don't think, I don't even, I don't even, I honestly don't know.

[1630] What I don't like about the Tesla is that everything is on the screen now.

[1631] Like, you want to adjust the mirrors, you want to change the temperature.

[1632] I like physical knobs and stuff and buttons, stuff that you can see easily while you're driving.

[1633] Like, there's a little bit of that that annoys me, that there's so much of the stuff that's on the screen.

[1634] Wow, dude.

[1635] What's up at that?

[1636] Yeah, there's no buttons.

[1637] That's my car.

[1638] That's the same kind of car that I have.

[1639] That's not my personal car.

[1640] It's an amazing car, though.

[1641] It's fucking incredible.

[1642] The way it drives is just amazing.

[1643] I just would prefer tangible.

[1644] I don't like the fact that the horn is not the center of the steering wheel either.

[1645] It's a button on the steering wheel, which I think sucks.

[1646] And I don't like the fact that they took away the blinker stock.

[1647] And instead, now you have to press the button.

[1648] on the steering wheel for left and right I've kind of gotten used to that but the horn thing is annoying because it's like that you want to...

[1649] Yeah but you can do a lot of the stuff with voice you could say you know lower the temperature Beyond ludicrous Is that what it is?

[1650] What is it beyond ludicrous?

[1651] Oh is it I think they're just saying that it's so fast it's beyond ludicrous mode in the regular model S It's a thousand horsepower A thousand -twenty real horsepower That's peak power That's real It's so fast I have a lot of fast cars That is without a doubt the fastest car I have Yeah And it's so silent That when you hit the gas And you take off It's just like It doesn't even feel real It feels like you're time traveling Like you're just like You punch a hole through space time To move to a place quicker Because you have this sense of what a car's capable of doing.

[1652] And then you get in that thing.

[1653] It just goes, yeah, and you feel like you're on a fucking roller coaster.

[1654] Yeah, literally.

[1655] Like, it slams people to the back seat.

[1656] I took Tim Dillon in my old one, which is not as fast as this new one.

[1657] Like, you want to feel something crazy?

[1658] He's like, yeah, I'm just stomping on the gas.

[1659] It's like, Jesus!

[1660] Like, you can't believe it.

[1661] Because you have a sense of, like, what a fast car feels like.

[1662] And then you get in that thing.

[1663] Which, it's really good for merging on the highway.

[1664] If you want to merge on the highway and you got an opening, you'll, and all of a sudden, And you're going 70 miles an hour, like that.

[1665] Right.

[1666] Like, have you ever thought about, like, when you're approaching a light and it's like, it's yellow, you know you can make it, you know, because you've got the Tesla.

[1667] But what if the person on the other side of the light also has a Tesla and you're both punching it?

[1668] Yeah.

[1669] You know.

[1670] Yeah, you got to be aware.

[1671] Well, you got to be aware whenever you're in a fucking intersection.

[1672] I saw some dude the other day just blow through a red light.

[1673] just wasn't even paying attention and I see these cars just slam on their brakes this dude just whether he's on his phone or what he has blew through a red light is it there's got to be statistics like since cell phones became like a real thing that like car accidents have they just spiked because people are fucking around with their phone they must there's a lot of deaths that are related to people being distracted by electronics whether you're fucking with your navigation screen or you're fucking with your You know, your music on your screen or whether you're actually looking physically at a phone.

[1674] Physically at a phone and texting is probably the worst because you're moving your thumb around.

[1675] There's no way you can concentrate.

[1676] Is there data on that?

[1677] I mean, like, I was wondering.

[1678] Oh, it's got to be off the charts.

[1679] It's got to be off the charts.

[1680] The amount of people that die from distracted driving, it's like, fuck, it's got to be crazy.

[1681] Yeah, like.

[1682] Way more than aspirin.

[1683] It's not the death.

[1684] I just definitely went up, but it then goes.

[1685] goes down, too.

[1686] Around the time, it's 2010, which is when iPhones came out.

[1687] Not what I thought I would see here.

[1688] That's weird.

[1689] Maybe it's just cars got better.

[1690] Could be that, too.

[1691] A lot of things are going to have to go into account on this.

[1692] Right, number of deaths per population of 100 ,000 people.

[1693] That's going back up now.

[1694] Yeah.

[1695] Well, it's social media, distracted driving, all that shit.

[1696] Not good.

[1697] And then there's also, like, how many people are suffering from depression?

[1698] and anxiety because of phones because they're just addicted to social media and they're just constantly comparing themselves to other people and reading comments about how bad they suck and...

[1699] Comments are rough, man. I think no matter who you are.

[1700] Oh, yeah.

[1701] I got to be a little bit careful about like spending time reading comments, man. I don't read shit.

[1702] Yeah.

[1703] Yeah, I don't think it's good for you to even read the good stuff.

[1704] I concur.

[1705] Yeah, I think you could get lost in other people's opinions and you just kind of forget who you are and not be sure who you are.

[1706] I mean, dude, it, uh, I feel like I had an experience going through an airport where like, like one person comes up to me and they're like, dude, I fucking, you know, watch everything.

[1707] I fucking love it, man. Like, you know, and then like I'll go to, but, you know, walk a little further and now I'm at the security checkpoint and then the guy's like hey man what happened to you I haven't seen you in anything forever you know and it's like they're like it's such jarring mm you know that's a regular real life interaction yeah like regular real life shit well some people just try to make you feel bad oh look at you you ain't doing shit I remember I was at a fucking CVS once I'll never forget this CVS and Woodland Hills and I I go into this thing and there's this guy behind the counter.

[1708] He's like real shitty.

[1709] And he goes, uh, you used to be on TV, huh?

[1710] Used to be on Fear Factor.

[1711] What happened?

[1712] Right.

[1713] I'm like, what happened?

[1714] I go, it got canceled.

[1715] He's like, yeah, got canceled, huh?

[1716] I go, hey man, you're working at CVS.

[1717] The fuck are you doing?

[1718] Like, you're trying to make me feel bad?

[1719] You're behind the counter at CBS?

[1720] You think you're going to make me feel bad?

[1721] Like, I'm like, I'm not going to tell you my resume and all the things I'm doing now.

[1722] Right.

[1723] But this is a weird interaction.

[1724] Like, you, sir, are a lack self -awareness.

[1725] You're literally working a minimum wage job, and you're getting shitty with me because I used to be on Fear Factor.

[1726] And you're trying to, it was like really clear.

[1727] Yeah.

[1728] He had some foreign accent, but he was like, like, fucking with me. Like, what happened?

[1729] What happened to your show?

[1730] I was like, what did I do to you, man?

[1731] Right.

[1732] What the fuck are you doing?

[1733] And also, I don't want to say, hey, you fucking loser.

[1734] You're working at CVS.

[1735] Right.

[1736] You know, you're 50 years old.

[1737] and you're working at CVS, you're trying to make me feel bad?

[1738] Like, what are you doing?

[1739] But some people will do that.

[1740] They'll just, and that's the type of people that leave comments.

[1741] Right.

[1742] You can't read those things.

[1743] It's so gnarly.

[1744] On the distracted driving, and this is something that I super wanted to talk to you about because you were interested in podcasting in a van.

[1745] Yes.

[1746] Like, I was very, very reluctant to jump on the podcast bandwagon.

[1747] And I just thought, fuck everybody and their mom has a fucking podcast, you know?

[1748] And it's been, like, over the years, one of the more annoying questions, like, will you do my podcast?

[1749] You know, like, for God's sakes, like, I don't want to spend a whole.

[1750] You think that's annoying?

[1751] Well, I mean, like, in the case where people don't have an audience, and I'm going to spend a whole.

[1752] It's so much better than you wanting to do their podcast and them not wanting you on.

[1753] Right.

[1754] Yeah.

[1755] that that that that because once you have a podcast and everybody wants to be on your podcast right and if you don't want them on and they keep pestering you that's more annoying right i i get i get that but i i just like for me to make the leap to all the sudden being the guy asking will you do my podcast what was a struggle for me and i thought okay well at the very least let me set it up in a in a fucking van so i can say so i can say dude wherever and whenever is most convenient let me bring it to you right and said like that like and and i could totally wrap my head around that well when i first gave a crack at it i had suction cups on the windows like uh and i'm fucking oh that's great but yeah but i'm driving around you're doing it while driving i'm not a very good driver to begin with yeah you shouldn't be driving doing it should be a passenger i have someone drive and sit in the back seat i know but but in And it was a misfire.

[1756] It was a misfire at that point.

[1757] And then I realized, okay, set it up in the back, you know, park it.

[1758] Tim Poole has a dope setup.

[1759] And I did his setup when he was in town.

[1760] He has a trailer.

[1761] And the trailer is like a full studio with like a large screen television so they could pull up videos.

[1762] It's got internet.

[1763] The whole deal.

[1764] And he's got cameras set up and desks.

[1765] It's like really, really well done.

[1766] And I was like, ooh, this is good.

[1767] But then I thought about it was like, I do too many podcasts as it is.

[1768] I don't need a fucking mobile podcast studio on top of what I'm already doing.

[1769] Like, shut the fuck up.

[1770] I have to like say, I have to get my brain sometimes and corner it and go, hey, stupid.

[1771] Like, you don't have enough time to do what you do.

[1772] Like, why are you trying to do other things?

[1773] Don't do that.

[1774] Like, that to me is a big thing.

[1775] Like, don't do too much.

[1776] Are you still selling fanny packs?

[1777] Yes, I do.

[1778] You want one?

[1779] Do you have any that aren't leather?

[1780] No. Are you vegan?

[1781] I'm not vegan.

[1782] I just like, I just feel weird about leather.

[1783] Well, if you get leather from a company like White Oaks Pastures, where they use everything.

[1784] Right.

[1785] I could back that.

[1786] Chew toys, leather.

[1787] They tan the leather from all their animals.

[1788] You know, I had this guy Will Harris, who's a regenerative farmer on, and he told me they use everything on that animal.

[1789] I could back that.

[1790] Yeah, it's good.

[1791] It's very good.

[1792] And that is really the best way to get everything.

[1793] But you can't expect that from, like, I would assume that a cow is very valuable, like, as a commodity.

[1794] You know, the meat is valuable.

[1795] There's no way they're going to just shoot a cow for their leather.

[1796] I don't think.

[1797] I think that they do, though.

[1798] I think that in the factory farming where, like, they process the meat to eat, I think they're just fucking throwing away the leather.

[1799] So they're probably throwing it away.

[1800] What I'm saying is they're not killing a cow just for the leather.

[1801] I don't think.

[1802] The factory farming, slaughtering cows for beef, I think they are throwing away the leather.

[1803] But we're saying the opposite thing.

[1804] Right, right, right.

[1805] And then the people who are making it for the leather, maybe are throwing away the beef.

[1806] I don't know about that.

[1807] Why would they do that, though?

[1808] It's so valuable.

[1809] Right.

[1810] It's thousands of dollars of beef.

[1811] Why would you just throw it away?

[1812] Yeah, I don't know about the other way.

[1813] I think that just the factory farming is so gnarly.

[1814] It's so fucking bad.

[1815] Well, the thing that gets me is like at this point with the amount of fast food that people desire, and this is the conversation that I had with Will Harris, I said, is it possible to feed people the way we're doing it now with regenerative farming?

[1816] And he said, no, he said not because, but should we be feeding people the way we're feeding them now?

[1817] Like the way that is, the question is like, well, I'm like, if you have a place like Los Angeles where you have 18 ,000.

[1818] people that are, or you know, probably 18 million people, rather, that are living in this one spot and no one's growing anything.

[1819] How are you going to get those people enough food?

[1820] And his thing was like, maybe we shouldn't be living like that.

[1821] Like, because that is an unsustainable way to live.

[1822] But that's a giant conversation.

[1823] Like, what are you going to do?

[1824] Make people move out of the cities and people like living in cities.

[1825] Like, but can you feed them in a way without factory farming?

[1826] It doesn't seem like you can.

[1827] It seems like we made those places because we had those other things and they grew because of those other things and now we're kind of stuck in this gross system yeah yeah it's horrifying those videos i mean that's how i became a hunter watching pita videos i was like i'm either going to be a vegetarian or i'm going to be a hunter because i don't want to participate in that anymore right i was trying to figure out like what is what is i saw that shit and and had the same thought that if you're going to eat meat, that you should have to become licensed to do so.

[1828] You know, you should have to kill an animal if you're going to be allowed to eat meat.

[1829] Well, there is definitely a disconnect when people eat meat.

[1830] They think that somehow or another, you know, they're not doing anything bad, but those same people sometimes will be upset at hunters.

[1831] They don't like it.

[1832] It's very weird because, like, if you, you're hunting like that animal has the best life possible sure and honestly the best death possible is from a hunter if i shoot uh an elk with a bow and arrow and i hit it in the vitals and that elk dies in seconds that is the absolute best death that thing is ever going to experience because if that doesn't happen they're going to get torn apart by wolves they're going to get eaten by a mountain lion they're going to get ripped apart by a bear like that is a way worse and way more horrific, and freeze to death and, you know.

[1833] Mount Everest.

[1834] Animals freeze to death every year.

[1835] There's like die -offs, like mule deer die -offs.

[1836] Every hard winter, you'll lose like thousands of mule deer that die off just freeze to death.

[1837] It happens.

[1838] You know, it's like there's trade -offs, right?

[1839] It's not good in any way.

[1840] And if you want to eat meat, you know, if you want to buy it in a way that you feel good about it, like a regenerative farm is without a doubt the best place to get it from like a place like white oak pastures where they're just they're they're living in these giant fields of grass and they're just roaming around they're 100 % grass fed they just live like they normally live and then one day they have one bad moment so regenerative farming regenerative farming means like one ecosystem in one place yes yes yes yes they they they essentially mimic nature right be in a controlled space.

[1841] Like that documentary, the biggest little farm?

[1842] I don't know about that one.

[1843] Yeah, it's probably the same sort of a situation.

[1844] There's a guy named Joel Salton.

[1845] I've had him on the podcast a couple times as well, and he has a place called Polyface Farms, and it's the same sort of a situation where they use the manure to fertilize the land.

[1846] That's exactly right.

[1847] And then they also move the animals around, so they're going to new places, and by chewing up the ground, grass, the way the cows do, it actually benefits the land.

[1848] And the way Joel Salton and Will Harris have it with White Oaks Pastures, it's actually carbon negative.

[1849] Like they don't produce more carbon.

[1850] They actually sequester more carbon into the earth.

[1851] Right.

[1852] You'd think that more people would do that shit.

[1853] It's hard.

[1854] He lives in this place where he's surrounded by people who do industrialized farming and he does regenerative farming.

[1855] And the stark contrast between the runoff, like he showed us a video and there's a river that runs through his area and there's where his farm is and then there's the property line where his neighbor who has an industrialized farm.

[1856] And the industrialized farm, all the topsoil's gone, right?

[1857] So they're using all this fucking artificial fertilizer.

[1858] And look at the difference.

[1859] There's a clear line.

[1860] Look at the line.

[1861] So his river is normal.

[1862] And then if you see that line in the river where to the right of that gentleman is all dark and muddy and fucked up, that's all toxic shit that's getting washed out of the industrialized farm into that river and poisoning the river.

[1863] and people that eat just vegetables and think that they're doing a great thing for the environment, they don't take into account how those vegetables are grown.

[1864] Monocrop agriculture in an industrial setting is devastating to the environment.

[1865] It's devastating to wildlife.

[1866] It's devastating to all the insects and all the different animals that live in those farms.

[1867] And not to mention that all the fucking processed soy and wheat is devastating to your body.

[1868] Oh, sure, and also glyphosate, you know, that roundup stuff.

[1869] The fucking fake vegan meat.

[1870] Oh, it's horrible.

[1871] Like, I was vegan for a while there, and I went to a colon colon, colon, colonic hydrotherapy.

[1872] Oh, you got your butt flushed out.

[1873] Yeah, I got my butt flushed out.

[1874] And the person, it was that.

[1875] It was cool.

[1876] I mean, I was just trying it out.

[1877] I bet you're the only.

[1878] person who ever said it was cool yeah and the person said oh man what are you eating you know like you got all this yeasty you know like they you know and I was like oh I'm like I told them I'm vegan and they were like oh that's the problem is that like you're eating this highly processed fucking soy and wheat that your body does not recognize as food and Clearly, your body's struggling to break it down.

[1879] It's like it's an absurd substance posing as food.

[1880] Well, those impossible burgers, we showed a study the other day that was showing that it's toxic for rats.

[1881] Yeah.

[1882] They fed rats, the impossible burger, and the rats are getting sick.

[1883] Yeah.

[1884] There's many, many healthy vegetarian choices, especially like some Indian cuisine that's vegetarian.

[1885] It tastes great, good for you, but it's just very.

[1886] vegetables it's not right that shit that shit that's a mimicking meat like oh yeah and seed oils and all the fucking horrible things that people eat that are supposed to be used as industrial lubricants and they've converted to food for people that's really what seed oils are yeah and in high concentrations and high levels of it it's very inflammatory there's all these studies done it it causes macular degeneration like paul saladino sent me all these studies that they're showing that high levels of seed oils is actually contributing to eyesight diminishing in people.

[1887] I bet.

[1888] Yeah, what's the really dangerous?

[1889] Is it unsaturated, polyunsaturated?

[1890] Yeah, there's fats that the problem with them is when people cooking them particularly.

[1891] They're not so good for salad dressings either, but when people cook in them, they break down under heat, and that causes a lot of inflammation in people's bodies when people cook with those seed oils.

[1892] Like, again, they were originally created because, like, grape seed oil.

[1893] It was created because they were trying to figure out what to do with these grape seeds.

[1894] Like, oh, maybe we can get oil out of and process it.

[1895] But it's, like, highly processed, and they have to do something to take the smell out of it and the taste out of it.

[1896] and, like, really processed shit.

[1897] And then when you cook with it, it breaks it down and oxidizes it, and it's just terrible for you.

[1898] You're supposed to, like, cook with, like, beef tallow is really good to cook with.

[1899] But there's some saturated fats, and there's some natural fats that are good for you, like, avocado oil is good for you.

[1900] There's oils that are good for you, but those oils are coming from, I mean, avocado is essentially a fruit.

[1901] Right.

[1902] You know, it's a fatty food, olive oil is fantastic for it.

[1903] It's like a superfood.

[1904] Like people in Italy live forever.

[1905] Yeah.

[1906] Well, they also have different wheat over there, too.

[1907] They go over there and eat pasta, and they're dealing with heirloom wheat.

[1908] Right.

[1909] So our wheat has more complex glutenes in it, and it's highly processed to develop more yield per acre.

[1910] I remember in, it was like fucking 2011 or something.

[1911] I'm having dinner with Big J. O 'Gerson.

[1912] I love Big J. He's the best.

[1913] He says, what's up?

[1914] What's up with gluten, man?

[1915] Five years ago, nobody ever heard of it.

[1916] Now it's killing everybody.

[1917] It's true.

[1918] And I wonder if, like, the processed, maybe it's the, what do you call it, MGO or whatever, modified, the modified organism, what do you call it?

[1919] Yeah, GMO.

[1920] GMO, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1921] Genetically modified organisms.

[1922] Yeah, I mean, that's what we're talking about.

[1923] It's like they've, what they've essentially done is taking a normal.

[1924] normal wheat plant, and they've engineered it to create a higher yield.

[1925] And because of that, there's more complex glutenes in it.

[1926] And that has, it gives your body, it's more difficult to break down.

[1927] And is that a newer thing?

[1928] And so now you've got.

[1929] But, you know, and they don't do it in Italy.

[1930] Like in all they also in Italy, they don't use glyphosate.

[1931] They don't use roundup.

[1932] Right.

[1933] Like these herbicides.

[1934] Like there was a study recently that showed there was something was like 80 %, 80 % of the people they tested, they found glyphosate in their blood.

[1935] So you're eating all these plants that have been sprayed with herbicides, and that herbicide shows up in your body.

[1936] And all these people, these shills, would be like, oh, well, it's just a small amount.

[1937] This is a small amount of the poison.

[1938] Don't worry about it.

[1939] It's fine.

[1940] We should keep using it.

[1941] That's how we're feeding it for bloodies.

[1942] It's only one way.

[1943] Got to take the poison.

[1944] And the Monsanto people have, at the Monsanto headquarters, They serve organic food.

[1945] Do they really?

[1946] Yeah, it's like...

[1947] You sure?

[1948] I think so.

[1949] Is that true?

[1950] Google that.

[1951] That seems like bad PR.

[1952] It seems like that's going to get out.

[1953] Right, right.

[1954] What, uh...

[1955] That's hilarious, though, if it's true.

[1956] Yeah, they don't fucking fuck with their own shit.

[1957] Well, you know, we're supposed to be eating organisms in the way that they form in nature.

[1958] You know, the healthy things in nature, healthy fruits, healthy vegetables, healthy animals, and eggs, that's how you're supposed to eat it.

[1959] And that's what, you know, in factory farming, whether it's both monocrop agriculture in terms of growing food and even growing animals, like we're fucking with things.

[1960] We're fucking with nature.

[1961] And there's tradeoffs and consequences when you do that.

[1962] And I don't, you know, I think there's definitely people that are just allergic to gluten.

[1963] But man, I know that when I eat wheat and I eat bread and pasta when I'm in Italy, my body has a different reaction to it.

[1964] you don't feel as like weighed down you know you don't feel as like bloated and those oh yeah but then again bread's delicious fucking good man nice piece of bread with some butter on it oh so good nice fucking slice of lasagna ooh i think it's one of those every now and then things like i was in new york city this past weekend i ate at this uh great italian place called carbone oh it was amazing So good.

[1965] If you go there, try the spicy rigatoni.

[1966] It's fantastic.

[1967] But it's like, don't do it every day.

[1968] But I got to tell you, the next day I felt a little fat, felt a little bloated.

[1969] Yeah, I went for a while there, and I was avoiding flour and sugar.

[1970] And my buddy says, man, whatever cookies you're eating must suck.

[1971] Well, they make cookies with, like, almond flour that are pretty good.

[1972] You can buy gluten -free cookies that aren't bad.

[1973] So one of my kids has an legit allergy to gluten.

[1974] Celiac disease.

[1975] No, it's not that.

[1976] It's not that bad.

[1977] I have a friend who has celiac disease, though, and he didn't find out about it until he was, like, 30.

[1978] Like, he just was trying to figure out what was going on.

[1979] That's the best answer I could find on the Monsanto thing.

[1980] I haven't asked Hugh Grant, Monsanto's CEO, this question directly, but I'll say he doesn't care.

[1981] Here's why I feel like I can say that.

[1982] I work in the same building, just a floor away.

[1983] We both regularly eat in our campus cafeteria, and our cafeteria is just regular food.

[1984] Most of us prioritize nutrition, freshness, taste, etc. We also like the purchase products that we have a connection to.

[1985] We always get great turnout when we have products that come in directly from customers.

[1986] That's true, whether they're conventional, GMO, or organic.

[1987] Well, that's not a non -answer.

[1988] Yeah, that sounds like...

[1989] Yeah.

[1990] I can say he doesn't care.

[1991] I haven't asked the CEO this question directly, but I'd say he doesn't care.

[1992] Well, if you're asking them, like, if he doesn't care, right, do you think Monsanto's CEO eats organic or doesn't really care?

[1993] That's just the CEO.

[1994] Say he doesn't care.

[1995] They have some information like that on their website.

[1996] Yeah, I mean, who knows if he cares.

[1997] Maybe he's just greedy.

[1998] You just wants that cheddar.

[1999] You know, just wants to keep making that cash.

[2000] A lot of money in Monsanto.

[2001] Dude, let me tell you about what I'm selling for cheddar.

[2002] You're selling things?

[2003] What are you selling?

[2004] You got a bag of stuff you're selling?

[2005] Stivo's butt wipes for your butthole.

[2006] Well, that's where generally you'd use a butt wipe.

[2007] Yeah, flushable butt wipes, too.

[2008] You wouldn't use it for your cheeks.

[2009] They're flushable?

[2010] Not really.

[2011] Let me tell you something about those flushable butt wipes.

[2012] Don't flush them.

[2013] Oh, yeah?

[2014] No, they all fucking clogged.

[2015] Talk to a plumber.

[2016] Those fucking things all clog up.

[2017] They don't break down.

[2018] They all get stuck.

[2019] They get stuck in pipes.

[2020] Yeah.

[2021] I picked the wrong place to, Listen, Google are butt wipes flushable?

[2022] Flushable butt wipes.

[2023] Are they flushable?

[2024] They're not.

[2025] They tell you don't flush them.

[2026] If you flush, talk to a plumber.

[2027] They fucking have people's pipes clogged up all the time with those things.

[2028] It's like essentially a cloth.

[2029] You're fucking, you're flushing a rag down the toe.

[2030] You don't even supposed to flush paper towels.

[2031] Paper towels break down in your hand when you get them wet.

[2032] Those things don't break down.

[2033] Don't tell those.

[2034] I...

[2035] Find out, though.

[2036] So two answers come up.

[2037] One, a company selling it says, like, theirs are flushable, showing a video of it.

[2038] You can flush them.

[2039] That's not the point.

[2040] The point is, they're not going to break down.

[2041] They're going to make their way out into wherever the fuck that water goes.

[2042] So this is what their video shows at breaking down.

[2043] But, again, this is theirs, and I don't know that all of them are made this way.

[2044] That's toilet paper, buddy.

[2045] No, no. Hold on.

[2046] Go back.

[2047] Go back to that video.

[2048] One of them was toilet paper.

[2049] the other was the flushable wipe.

[2050] Right, but the flushable wipe wasn't breaking down.

[2051] The toilet paper was breaking down.

[2052] The flushable wipe on the right is breaking down slower.

[2053] I guess so.

[2054] Cotonel break down like toilet paper.

[2055] All right, maybe they're making it different.

[2056] Yep.

[2057] But I know there's flushable wipes that my plumber told me don't fucking flush these things.

[2058] Right, like this one says don't do it.

[2059] Dangers of flushing those flushable wipes.

[2060] People aren't flushing white.

[2061] People aren't flushing white.

[2062] down the toilet.

[2063] Oh, people are flushing, flushable wipes down the toilet, and this is causing dangerous problems.

[2064] The toilet paper is designed to disintegrate our pipes and sewage system, but flushable wipes are not.

[2065] They're typically made with synthetic materials, plastics, or polyester that won't break down.

[2066] So even if they flush down your toilet, they end up clogging our sewers.

[2067] So maybe that other stuff that Cotonel sends, the cells does break down.

[2068] Hold on, go back.

[2069] Wow.

[2070] It says, as wipes meet cooking fat in the sun.

[2071] sewage system, it builds up into a monstrous obstacle, aka a fatberg.

[2072] I've seen that.

[2073] A mass of solid waste consisting of cooking fats, disposable wipes, tampons, and other sanitary items that get flushed down the commode.

[2074] They're unhygienic, expensive to fix, incredibly gross.

[2075] If you're curious, just check out the Museum of London's Fatberg Autopsy.

[2076] Clogs and Fatburgs may make job that are already hazardous and very difficult even more so so whatever that cotton nail stuff that breaks down maybe that's better or maybe whatever it breaks down to it's toxic I don't know what it what's made out of look into this but now regardless of what happens after you flush it the experience of using a a butt wipe is way better than toilet paper it is way better than toilet paper I fucking love it man I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't wipe my butt with dry toilet paper ever again do you use a one of those toilets that scorts water in your butt?

[2077] Love it.

[2078] Those are the best.

[2079] We have them here.

[2080] Love that shit.

[2081] Game changer.

[2082] Big time.

[2083] You're supposed to wash your butt off.

[2084] You're not supposed to smear shit all over it with paper.

[2085] On my podcast of all the sponsors that I do ad reads for, I always say my favorite sponsor of the podcast is Tushy.

[2086] It's a legit product.

[2087] It's the best.

[2088] And the Tushy one, you can connect to a regular toilet.

[2089] Right.

[2090] You don't even need to buy, like, a whole new toilet.

[2091] It's like a pretty simple setup.

[2092] And then they came out with the new one that's a fucking, it's a whole toilet seat that comes with it.

[2093] And the toilet seat's heated.

[2094] It's got a fucking remote control.

[2095] You control the temperature of the water you're blasting your butthole with.

[2096] Yeah.

[2097] So much better.

[2098] Yeah.

[2099] Once you do that, you can know.

[2100] The first time I experienced that was in Japan.

[2101] When I was in Japan, they had those years and years ago.

[2102] I was like, ooh, this is.

[2103] way better.

[2104] Like, why don't we do that?

[2105] Right.

[2106] We have water in there.

[2107] Just figure out a way to squirt the water.

[2108] You got to have squatty potty and you've got to have the day.

[2109] Yeah.

[2110] So you're selling hot sauce too?

[2111] Hot sauce, yeah, dude.

[2112] Let me see that.

[2113] What do you got?

[2114] Hot sauce for your butthole, dude.

[2115] Oh, it's for your butthole.

[2116] Well, I just thought, you know.

[2117] Is it good?

[2118] Is it good hot sauce?

[2119] Dude, it's so fucking good.

[2120] Who's making this for you?

[2121] We've got a place in Texas.

[2122] and it's called Hotsaw Depot and they allowed me to make my own recipe combining the the habanero and fuck the Triple X Habanero and Habanaro garlic and yeah it's so you made it like you did different tastes and nice There it is.

[2123] Hot sauce for your butthole.

[2124] Steevo's.

[2125] Yep.

[2126] And now we've got the new Steevo's Butthole Destroyer.

[2127] Oh, this is a super hot one, huh?

[2128] Yeah.

[2129] The top three ingredients on the Butthole Destroyer are the three hottest peppers.

[2130] Whoa.

[2131] So this is like super hot.

[2132] Super hot.

[2133] All right.

[2134] I'll try it.

[2135] I'll let you know.

[2136] And where people can find this?

[2137] You can buy both of my hot tusses on Amazon.

[2138] Oh, nice.

[2139] You can buy them on stevo .com.

[2140] Stevo .com.

[2141] All right, brother.

[2142] yeah and you have a book and I've got my new books um a hard kick in the nuts whatever that's a perfect name for you for a book yeah nice it's uh it's it's so rad all right well hey brother it was great to see you it's fun likewise fun fun conversation enjoyed it thank you so much um if people want to find you on the road uh is stevo dot com And they can come see you do your stand up.

[2143] And then the book is available, I'm sure, everywhere, right?

[2144] Everywhere books are sold.

[2145] Everywhere books are sold.

[2146] All right, brother.

[2147] Thank you very much, man. Thank you.

[2148] Good seeing you.

[2149] All right.

[2150] Bye, everybody.