64 - Live At Revolution Hall

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only murders in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Obligation, we know.

[17] That's the first time that happened.

[18] I actually did.

[19] I didn't hear what you said.

[20] I said they're doing it out of obligation because one person did it.

[21] That's the first time that ever happened.

[22] It is the first time that's ever happened.

[23] Thanks, Portland.

[24] What's up, Portland is so Portland of you, Portland, I swear to God.

[25] Actually, I'm a little bit sad because this is the last night of our run here.

[26] I wish it could be like 14 more nights.

[27] It really has been very, very fun and exciting.

[28] Thank you very much for.

[29] being here and thank you for getting tickets and waiting for tickets and dealing with scalpers and letting us know that you didn't get enough tickets and you're mad about tickets and it's our felt that your lives were ending because of the tickets and you've been listening from the beginning and how you know and that so you should get first run a ticket yes you are the biggest fans and you deserve the most tickets so we're thank you thank you kindly for being there.

[30] First we are admonishing the assholes.

[31] That's how we start every show.

[32] It's just telling you guys what dicks you are.

[33] Well, listen.

[34] There's plenty of clappers, but the assholes need to be like given their props as well.

[35] Do they?

[36] I love that you...

[37] Good start.

[38] Let's start over.

[39] Stephen, can we go again?

[40] Here we go.

[41] I'll roll it back.

[42] He's here.

[43] I still don't know where he is.

[44] You don't know.

[45] You don't see anything anyways.

[46] I actually am legally blind.

[47] Oh, right here, look it.

[48] Vince came backstage and said, update from the audience.

[49] Stephen has a line of people.

[50] Wait into video photo with him.

[51] Stephen, that's the quickest way to get fired and get more popular than the hosts.

[52] And Mommy Ray Morris is here.

[53] Mommy Ray Morris.

[54] I've invited his mother, who probably has never heard this podcast, has no interest in murder, doesn't think, we're doing is right probably you know Steven's not her favorite anyway it's true well now stephen's a successful one even though his sister's a doctor I think yeah sure now who's successful well you better tell her the podcast or the wave of the future so doctoring is out yeah yeah yeah nobody needs a doctor anymore uh um um I'm sorry I've been drinking this fucking insane crack caffeine What is it?

[55] It's Yerba Mata.

[56] Have you guys?

[57] You heard of Yerba Mata?

[58] I can see everything and everyone and I can see her oras.

[59] Oh.

[60] Shit girl.

[61] I'm real good right now.

[62] Do you have any animal familiars on the stage right now?

[63] I don't know what that is.

[64] You know, there are animals you hallucinate that talk to you and tell you how to live.

[65] Oh, that's one that my cats then, are that.

[66] Oh.

[67] Because that's all my life is.

[68] I know.

[69] That's his name.

[70] That's right.

[71] I have actually a very similar thing right now, which is that I, Georgia likes to bring me, which is one of the best things about touring with Georgia, is she brings me a coffee.

[72] It's just super exciting.

[73] So she, last night and tonight, has brought me a mocha from Stumptown.

[74] And last night when she gave it to me, I was like, awesome, thanks.

[75] drank the whole thing super fast.

[76] And when I went to walk out for the first show, I was like, Oh, my God.

[77] Like, I was fucking blazing.

[78] And then you're like, is this from some town?

[79] Or are you dosing me?

[80] Just to change it up on tour a little bit.

[81] A little bit of that adderall.

[82] Man, we're good.

[83] Oh, we forgot to mention that this is all accidental, our necklines.

[84] I'm sure you guys were wondering.

[85] They're definitely sitting out there going to scallop necklines?

[86] Yeah.

[87] Why?

[88] Yeah.

[89] Who would do that on a live tour?

[90] I mean, I thought they, I guess, like, I had it in my mouth.

[91] mind that they weren't matching, but I guess They're super matching, matchy, matchy.

[92] Yeah, it's not on purpose, but we're going with it.

[93] We didn't, I, Karen was like, cut yours off.

[94] And I'm like, I'm not cutting it off.

[95] Yeah, I demanded then she cut up her dress.

[96] I was like, I'm the primary.

[97] You have to adjust yours.

[98] But I did make her part her hair the other way, so we didn't look exactly the same.

[99] Although I am going to cut it short.

[100] And then we're just going to come out holding hands like the shining twins.

[101] You're like, get ready for the wall of blood.

[102] Verbal, the verbal wall of blood.

[103] That's Karen, and I'm Georgia.

[104] Oh, that's right.

[105] And this is my favorite murder.

[106] We want to tell you guys this story from last night because it's pretty hilarious.

[107] Oh, my God.

[108] We're telling it to you as adult promising that you won't get any ideas from it.

[109] Yeah, I was like, do we tell them?

[110] Or are they just going to be like, oh.

[111] We got to tell them.

[112] We got to tell them.

[113] That's an option?

[114] Yeah.

[115] So last night, during the hometown murder portion of the show at the end, we had this girl come up, and told the fucking most amazing story.

[116] It was like everything I've ever wanted in a story of finding dead bodies and the dead body is a bad guy.

[117] And it was this and that.

[118] It was her cousin.

[119] It was like second, like one Kevin Bacon away from that kind of death, a dead body, in a creek.

[120] It's what more do you want?

[121] And they didn't know.

[122] And they were like, what is that a jacket?

[123] It's not a jacket.

[124] It is a jacket, but there's an arm in the jacket.

[125] So think about that before you offer to be the hometown tonight.

[126] It's like, you got to beat that.

[127] Very high, they're very high stakes.

[128] So as she's telling this story I was asking questions like Well did he tell you what it felt like To pick up a dead arm and stuff I was you know going I was very excited Barbara Walters deep with it Trying to make her cry And as we're talking She was like I don't know And I was standing here And it was kind of like this So we were talking to her and she was like I don't really know whatever And then I look I see both of their faces And Karen's especially and it's horrified Behind my shoulder And that's my biggest nightmare What's happening is this There's a girl in an army jacket, no judgments, and she's sneaking cartoon style down the aisle.

[129] But she fucking army rolled onto the...

[130] She climbed up, and then like...

[131] And he's standing here, so I, of course, have to kick into fucking third grade teacher mode.

[132] And I was like, that is not cool, that is not cool.

[133] And I just stood here.

[134] Kind of went like this.

[135] And that was really cool, you?

[136] Thank you.

[137] And turns out it was this girl's six.

[138] sister.

[139] She just had the exact information I was asking for she came to provide.

[140] But the sister took a beat.

[141] It's all she wanted to do is be like, I know what the arm felt like.

[142] She said she did such a sister move.

[143] This girl took a beat while Karen is yelling at her and then she goes, oh that's my sister.

[144] Like she took a minute to say it.

[145] We were both like what the fuck?

[146] I was like immediately picturing like a fucking bowie knife and like she's just going to roll up and then be like, I'm mad about stuff.

[147] I didn't get I didn't get tickets the first time around or whatever.

[148] And I got over -served at the bar.

[149] But then she came up and did such a fucking sister thing.

[150] I couldn't believe it.

[151] She goes, you're forgetting this important part, which is such a sister thing to say.

[152] It was super perfect.

[153] But I realized, though, is because I was, of course, super embarrassed that I got super bossy with her, but in my mind, looking back on it, nobody sneaks like this.

[154] Unless they're, like, on fucking meth or something, right?

[155] It's like, I'm just going to come up the show.

[156] No, I'll fucking kill you.

[157] Those are not good intentions.

[158] And now we know that Vince is fucking useless in an emergency.

[159] Even though I specifically told him, you need to fucking protect me. He was backstage smoking.

[160] He doesn't smoke.

[161] He doesn't smoke.

[162] Also, Stephen never moved from his spot.

[163] I had to record the show.

[164] You couldn't take your finger off the play button.

[165] Yeah.

[166] Audio above all.

[167] Yeah.

[168] So that was kind of an incident.

[169] That was an exciting portion of the night.

[170] It was a real roller coaster, actually.

[171] Oh, God, that was scary.

[172] Worst nightmare.

[173] It was fine.

[174] What else have we done?

[175] Oh, do you want to just take a quick shoe walk?

[176] Because they're so good.

[177] Just tell the people, work it.

[178] Own it.

[179] That's why you're wearing them.

[180] I can walk in them.

[181] This is like the two times a year I wear heels.

[182] And it's an hour long.

[183] I wore these at my wedding last year.

[184] last time I wore them.

[185] You fucking changed, you've just like given up.

[186] I can't do it anymore.

[187] No, I didn't mean it like that.

[188] I didn't mean it like that.

[189] I can't do it anymore.

[190] She had heels on last night and tonight is clog night.

[191] I wore heels and even those ones were like the kind you can play basketball in or whatever.

[192] They weren't like any kind of crazy heels.

[193] Feels like a sneaker.

[194] But when I went to put them on tonight I was like, but fuck that shit.

[195] And then here we go.

[196] That's the magic of theater.

[197] We're trying to get her to come out of her shell, but, you know.

[198] This is where I come alive.

[199] I do.

[200] You can't tell right now, but I did say fuck it to my spanks.

[201] Oh, really?

[202] No, I just won't.

[203] Yes.

[204] Look at that woman.

[205] She's free.

[206] Fuck it.

[207] She's free.

[208] Fuck it.

[209] Fuck it all.

[210] Wait, I think we have a couple more anecdotes for you.

[211] I know, right?

[212] I can't remember anything.

[213] Well, here's mine when I was leaving my hotel tonight.

[214] the most lovely man that worked at the front desk named Tyler this is what it was like you walk by and I'm going to be Tyler and you're walking you leave This is how Karen walks whenever she goes That's not true Okay you have to make eye contact with me Okay Oh but I And I was like Hello murderina I know you You can tell immediately that like what it's gonna It's not like excuse me ma 'am Do you need more towels?

[215] It's You've been whispering in my ear for the past six months I need to talk to you right now.

[216] You have to touch me. We stood there.

[217] I've never seen this person before.

[218] I met them before.

[219] We stood across the hotel front desk holding arms.

[220] Like I was going to pull him up onto the lifeboat style, full on arm clasp.

[221] Like, yes, Tyler, yes, I'm here with you.

[222] This is really happening.

[223] The best is when you then get a, my so -and -so got murdered, And you're done like, great, this has turned into the best fucking interaction I've ever had.

[224] Yes, exactly.

[225] Tell me everything.

[226] Now we're having a level 17 conversation that, like, normally people that are only friends for five years have.

[227] Or shit -faced.

[228] Yes.

[229] Vince and I were walking yesterday down, we were walking on the street.

[230] And this couple walks by us, and then I hear her go, I see her look at her, her boyfriend in a way that was like, okay.

[231] And then she goes, as she passes, she says, that's my favorite murder.

[232] like she doesn't know which one I am I turned around and wave at her because she was really sweet but she just didn't know which one I was when she told me that I was like what of her favorite murder was happening behind you she's like oh my god I love it when an old lady kills a homeless person I'm like thank you thank you for listening and she's like who the fuck are you away from me that happened to me recently at a store she's like tell that one it's good she goes I go to buy a thing You know, and then she goes, oh, I know you from somewhere, and I said, oh, do you watch the cooking channel?

[233] Because I was like, well, she doesn't own my face unless she's like.

[234] Right, right, right.

[235] And she was like, oh, no, you look like someone who was in earlier.

[236] She was fucking with you.

[237] And then I totally made fun of myself.

[238] Oh, I thought you were my good friend.

[239] What?

[240] No. That sucks.

[241] Not you.

[242] You guys missed out last night, and I'm sorry I brought a tissue unsafe for my allergies because I fucking wipe my nose on this exact thing.

[243] Table Club yesterday.

[244] It's like that.

[245] We're that comfortable here with you, Portland.

[246] Georgia, we're just sitting there, and she's like, fuck it.

[247] Blows her nose on the tablecloth.

[248] Thanks, Revolution Hall.

[249] We're so proud to be here with you.

[250] Have us back.

[251] I just, like, can feel into my heart, like, a sixth sense how mortified my mom is, and it gives me life.

[252] Like, my mom can't handle me not standing up straight.

[253] she would be so mortified and I fucking love it I live to embarrass my mom if you blew your nose on a tablecloth you mean if she knew that I did that not even like at a restaurant real quick but like in front of a bunch of people oh she would die it's great for real good if my mom saw this tights boot clog combination she'd just be like I don't know what you're doing or why you're still rebelling but you need to figure it out you have lipstick on though so I have lipstick on so I have lipstick on so I don't look like a corpse which is what she normally would accuse me of.

[254] Oh, honey, put some lipstick on, you look like a corpse.

[255] And then I'd scream at her, I'm never having babies, and then she would just turn into dust and die.

[256] That's really, that it really is like the, fucking, the gauntlet to throw down in any fight with your mom.

[257] I will not reproduce.

[258] Oh, I said it, and it felt so, I said it to her on the phone.

[259] She called my sister, tell Georgia that she, how wonderful what a gift it is.

[260] And I'm like, you weren't even around.

[261] What do you fucking tell you?

[262] Cut to you sitting on the toilet with an E .P .T. test.

[263] Fuck.

[264] Oh, shit.

[265] God.

[266] Damn it, she wins again.

[267] I never tell my mom that I'm pregnant and have a baby, and she just never tell her.

[268] You just pretend that you've gained very specific weight.

[269] And then lost it specifically.

[270] Speaking of, we got to stop.

[271] I need to stop thinking that when I'm away from home at any time on tour, I can eat whatever the fuck I want because we're touring a lot, and I need to stop fucking doing that.

[272] Oh, dude.

[273] basically had foie gras for breakfast today.

[274] Oh, that's fancy, fancy.

[275] Yeah, spend that tour money, baby.

[276] Fuck, yeah, dude.

[277] That's why we're holding off all the tickets, so that Georgia can eat foie gras for breakfast.

[278] Sorry.

[279] Oh, that does sound a little shitty, doesn't it?

[280] Tweet us about it.

[281] I know, some people can't afford foie gras.

[282] I'm sorry, you know, boogey.

[283] I don't eat it at home.

[284] So I'm at home.

[285] Also, it seems like, what's going on with Portland where now you guys are just all about donuts all the time?

[286] Are you just like it's no it's no two nights in a row we had donuts back last night man we had donuts that look like us yeah voodoo donuts of all places it wasn't even like Bob's donuts down the street like made donuts it's like voodoo donuts they know who we are that blew my mind well they could have Googled it or was like the one girl who works there who's just like just started and she's like let's podcast them They're like, whatever.

[287] Who fucking care?

[288] Whatever.

[289] It's your shift.

[290] If you can lean, you can clean or make donuts of your favorite podcasters.

[291] We don't give a shit.

[292] Man, Patricia just makes the fucking most obscure shit.

[293] I don't know what the fuck she's getting fired.

[294] Did you see Patricia's wait, wait, wait, don't tell me donut?

[295] It was insane.

[296] Oh, God.

[297] It's just a red square.

[298] It's just Paula Poundstone's face.

[299] Just a big, long tie and a huge blazer.

[300] Had one, too.

[301] It was really great.

[302] What did you just say to Stephen?

[303] Stephen had one too and it was fucking great.

[304] I realized I didn't announce it.

[305] Yeah, they made one of Stephen, which is so fucking, it was so hilarious.

[306] Absolutely, clap for Stephen's donut.

[307] I ate my own head.

[308] It was jelly -filled, which is pretty right on.

[309] It's pretty, yeah.

[310] I think it's pretty accurate.

[311] Should we sit down?

[312] Yeah, let's sit down.

[313] All right.

[314] Okay.

[315] Yeah, no clap for it for sure.

[316] I'm going to.

[317] There she goes.

[318] Your fucking allergies, man. Don't.

[319] In Portland, you guys have all the allergies.

[320] I can't open this.

[321] Okay.

[322] So what we do on this podcast is we...

[323] Have you guys, I don't know if you guys listen, but what we did.

[324] We, you know, we look up murders and then we read them to you.

[325] Most of them got tickets like the guy scalping, like, buy one, get one free.

[326] Hey, there's a great show tonight.

[327] You want you guys want to come in.

[328] I guess.

[329] Okay.

[330] I don't have anything else to do.

[331] So we should explain it.

[332] Karen, you know I'm all about vintage shopping.

[333] Absolutely.

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[352] Goodbye.

[353] Hey, this is exciting.

[354] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[355] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[356] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[357] Who killed Saz?

[358] And were they really after Charles?

[359] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[360] This season, murder hits close to home.

[361] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[362] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[363] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[364] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[365] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfenakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Devine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[366] Only Martyrs in the Building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[367] Goodbye.

[368] It's my, I'm first, right?

[369] Yes.

[370] All right.

[371] Mom.

[372] Well, I'm going to do, this guy I didn't, I didn't really know that much about him.

[373] And then it turned out he was kind of like, uh, there, he's like, um, he's like, um, he's like he's like he's like a secret star he's a man named Bobby Jack Fowler and let's just start it here I'm going to tell it like a story on the raining every time it scares the shit out of us when you guys do that I didn't even start Stephen there's ever been a cue jump in the world it was that they don't even have any idea of what this guy's deal is.

[374] Well, they already know.

[375] Now she can't say he was a real nice, normal guy, because clearly he's a fucking psychopath.

[376] There's just no, it's like, oh, did he do it?

[377] I'm not sure.

[378] Well, he is wearing, he is wearing overalls with no shirt, so I think I think he might be guilty.

[379] Oh, no. Yeah.

[380] He got caught mid, something illegal.

[381] I mean, either that or it's just like a denim tank top.

[382] Either way, he should go to jail.

[383] Oh, honey.

[384] You know with that, and I'm sure you guys are very familiar with this, but I was up here, you know, it was probably a decade ago at this point, and I saw a newspaper, Faces of Meth.

[385] Oh, my favorite.

[386] Oh, my God.

[387] Obsessed.

[388] My God, I wish.

[389] Stephen, can you find that right now?

[390] Can you put that up right now?

[391] It was the best thing in the world was the Oregonian, did this thing of like people's mugshots across the years.

[392] So it starts out and it's like, you're 16, you get arrested for whatever shoplifting, nail polish, and then five mugshots in, you look like you're 64.

[393] And like number two or three, you're like, oh honey, quit right now and you're still kind of cute.

[394] You can moisturize.

[395] You could come back.

[396] You could come back and like stay out of the sun because we know you're sleeping.

[397] Just like you're fine.

[398] And then at four, like, fuck man. And then it's like, this 30 year rolled.

[399] The sweet spot for meth is three arrests in, it seems like.

[400] You know what I mean?

[401] Yeah.

[402] Because you're like, skinny.

[403] Oh, I'm being a dick.

[404] Okay.

[405] You're like, you're in, but you could still come out?

[406] Well, she's talking from experience.

[407] I did, meth.

[408] She's not punching down.

[409] I'm like, second one in.

[410] She's punching straight across.

[411] Anyways.

[412] Bobby Jack liked meth.

[413] Let's just say that, among other things.

[414] This is, yeah.

[415] All right.

[416] On the rainy night of January 27, 1995, Newport residents, Jennifer Essen, who was 15, and Carly's, who was 16, are last seen leaving Essen's boyfriend's house in the north end of town.

[417] They're headed toward Jennifer's house where she lived with her brother and her sister -in -law, Rocky and Barbara Tucker.

[418] They never arrive.

[419] Two and a half weeks later, Lagers spot their bodies and heavy brush above Moulac Beach, about a mile from where they were last seen, both had been strangled.

[420] Five months later, on June 8th, 1995, a nude...

[421] What?

[422] It's my birthday.

[423] Is it okay?

[424] You like can't help but say that.

[425] No, you have to say it when it's your birthday.

[426] Is my birthday?

[427] Sorry, but that's my birthday.

[428] Anyways, tell me about a nude body.

[429] I was 15.

[430] Do you remember what your birthday party was like in 1995?

[431] 15.

[432] 15.

[433] 15.

[434] No. No, I think that was, I think that was the last face of meth.

[435] Oh, yeah.

[436] You know what I mean?

[437] Makes sense.

[438] So it wasn't great.

[439] All right.

[440] Five months later on Georgia's birthday, 1995.

[441] A nude bleeding 35 -year -old woman with a rope tied around her ankle jumps out of a second -story window at the Tides -in motel and runs into the night screaming for help.

[442] Fuck, yeah, she did.

[443] That's the beginning of my film right there.

[444] police are called and she tells them that she had met a man at the anchor bar they had shared a couple drinks they'd play the poker machine you know how you do and then they decide that they're going to go on a trip to a nearby casino but he says he wants to take a shower first and gets her to agree to come back to his motel room don't be that close to a naked stranger you mean right outside the bathroom door still not good no but what if I tell you you he showers in his overalls.

[445] Does that change?

[446] Yeah, he's not naked.

[447] Okay.

[448] Once they're in the motel room alone, the man tells her he believes women like to be raped.

[449] When she argued, yes, we know that's not right.

[450] When she argued, the man attacked her, punching her repeatedly, ripping her clothes off, tied the rope around her ankle saying he was going to put her in the ocean.

[451] Oh, shit.

[452] The victim, believing she was about to die, bid him and leapt out the window.

[453] Go, girl.

[454] Whatever it takes.

[455] Whatever it takes.

[456] That man who was arrested on the scene was Bobby Jack Fowler.

[457] And that's where you would show it, Stephen.

[458] And then everyone goes, yes, I see it.

[459] Here's what I love.

[460] I sent him this stuff, I don't know, seven minutes before I left to come to this theater.

[461] We never talk about anything.

[462] We never plan anything.

[463] And he knows that about us.

[464] We're fucking just, I It's tough.

[465] So it's basically our fault, but we'll never admit it.

[466] It's always Stephen's fault.

[467] All right.

[468] Fowler was a transient construction worker who traveled extensively across North America.

[469] He spent time rabbiting around from British Columbia.

[470] And I don't know.

[471] That's copy and paste right there.

[472] Very strange.

[473] It makes it seem fun and what he was doing is not fun.

[474] No. From British Columbia, Florida, Iowa, Louisiana, Texas, Oregon, South Carolina, Arizona, Tennessee, and Washington State.

[475] During his travel, he developed an extensive criminal record that included attempted murder, sexual assault, and firearms offenses.

[476] Just developing a record but seemingly able to leave after he develops that record for some reason.

[477] He liked alcohol, amphetamines, meth anepetamines.

[478] He liked to travel far and white and beat up cars and pick up hitchhikers.

[479] That could sound like he beat up, he like beat up cars.

[480] Once you do enough meth, you can beat up a car.

[481] And that is the pro side to math That no one ever talks about That's one of the few bonuses Yes, you look very old But you can beat up a car He spent lots of time in bars and motels He believed that He believed that women he came into contact with Who were hitchhiking and hanging out in bars Wanted to be sexually assaulted Listen, I hang out in fucking bars And I don't want that Yeah, I feel like if we took a quick poll he would be proven wrong so here's I would talk about a couple of his arrests in 1969 Bobby Jack was charged Bobby Jack Bobby Jack was charged with murdering a man and a woman in Texas but he was only convicted of discharging a firearm within city limits towards up inside of a person Yeah I guess How the fact does that work?

[482] It wasn't a problem for some reason He also spent time in a Tennessee prison for sexual assault and attempted murder because, in the words of the investigator, he tied a woman up, beat the hell out of her with her own belt, covered her up with brush, and left her to die.

[483] So, during his 1995 trial for the sexual assault at the Tides Motel, he fought the kidnapping charge.

[484] So he had a real problem with the fact that he was being, sexual assault, he was like, yeah, whatever.

[485] But kidnapping, he was very offended by, because he claimed that that woman was in the motel room on her own accord, and that she, threw herself out the window voluntarily.

[486] So it shouldn't be his problem.

[487] And so because of that, he filed a $3 million lawsuit claiming violation of his civil liberties.

[488] He lost.

[489] He lost.

[490] Good, good, good.

[491] So, on January 8, 1996, Fowler is convicted of kidnapping in the first degree, attempted rape in the first degree, sexual abuse in the first degree, coercion, assault in the fourth degree, and menacing.

[492] He was sentenced to 16 years, three months, with the possibility of parole, but he died of lung cancer in prison in 2006.

[493] But, there's a but.

[494] Here's where it starts getting good.

[495] Or bad, worse.

[496] Upsetting.

[497] Murdery.

[498] You know.

[499] So the police, because of this arrest, have Bobby Jack Fowler's DNA.

[500] And they put it into the system.

[501] They put it into the motherboard, into the mainframe.

[502] So in May of 2012, Interpol informs the Canadian police that has received a positive hit from a DNA sample on a 16 -year -old murder, a 16 -year -old murder victim named Colleen McMillan.

[503] She had been murdered in 1974, and back then, the Canadian Mounties had taken a piece of her blouse that they believed to have semen on it, and they put it away and saved it.

[504] and so that when DNA testing came into a possibility, they had that DNA makeup waiting to be tested and in the system.

[505] So when fucking Bobby Jack Fowler's DNA comes through the system, Interpol finds that they are a match.

[506] Motherboard lights up.

[507] That's right.

[508] The mainframe goes berserk.

[509] Colleen McMillan in 1974 had gone out to meet friends, The last thing she said or her little brother before she left the house was don't tell mom I'm hitchhiking.

[510] Her body was found a month later off a logging road 30 miles from her home she'd been strangled to death.

[511] That brother did not leave a good life after that, I bet.

[512] No, I think that was probably pretty dark.

[513] So the DNA belonged to American Roofer.

[514] That's how he's described in this article.

[515] Cut and paste.

[516] American Roofer, Bobby Fowler.

[517] That's the new History Channel series.

[518] American roofer's or a fucking lunatic on meth goes around strangling everybody.

[519] It's very weird.

[520] Like you can describe him anyway.

[521] Yeah.

[522] And they picked roofer.

[523] American roofer.

[524] That was terrible.

[525] Stay away from me. Stay away from me. Seriously.

[526] For real.

[527] That hit was the oldest hit on a DNA sample in Interpol history.

[528] So, essentially, from the murder of Colleen McMillan in Canada in 1974 to the attempted rape, kidnapping, and sexual assault in Newport in 1995, there is a 21 -year gap where Bobby Jack Fowler was driving around North America fucking shit up.

[529] Wow.

[530] So because of, they see that, and they start connecting.

[531] So he basically is a, he is a big suspect in a lot of the trail.

[532] of Highway of Tears murders.

[533] So he's been, he's been, the, Colleen's murder is considered one of the highway of tears murders, one of the earliest ones.

[534] But most of those murders are First Nation women, which is why no one ever hears about them, because it's Native American, sorry, Native Canadian, which they call First Nation women up there, and they get no press, nobody talks about them.

[535] And that's why they had to start, they started a task force in 2006, in Canada because so many women, especially First Nation, were disappearing along Highway 16, which cuts across British Columbia.

[536] It's an east -west highway used by truckers and loggers, and so many women have disappeared off of this highway that they actually had to start a task force for it.

[537] And Bobby Jack Fowler is now connected to at least three of the murdered women that have been found on the highway of tears.

[538] But also, they're looking at him in connection with the May 3rd, 1992 killings of Melissa Sanders and Sheila Swanson, 17 and 19, respectively, both of Sweet Home.

[539] They had been camping with their family at Beverly Beach, and they were last seen at 11 o 'clock outside of a grocery store in Beverly Beach, and they were looking for a ride home.

[540] Their bodies were found two and a half months later, 50 feet from a logging road.

[541] so basically the police believe Bobby Jack Fowler may have killed minimum 20 people between the U .S. and Canada but they think it's more likely above 40.

[542] So he's a fucking he's a regular old serial killer.

[543] He's a legit straight -up serial killer.

[544] Wow.

[545] I'd never even heard of him.

[546] I've never heard of him.

[547] And he there's a bunch more if you look him up I would definitely because there's all these they're trying to they're trying to connect him to these murders there's so many murders on the highway of tears and he they thought they had him for like nine but then when they some of them it's only circumstantial evidence so they can actually only prove three which is a fucking lot but between there and then all the shit that he did in America he's like Ted Bundy level serial killer that no one's ever heard of and you know did a lot of stuff right here in Portland so congratulations everybody well done Bobby Jack Fowler thank you good job good job sit back relax this one's got a little something for everyone you're gonna like this one I think so I hope so I don't know I just said that so this one was suggested to me by our friend Kat Solan who's here who a lot of you guys have her shirt design on so a lot of the stay out of the forest one and the regular one.

[548] You're going to call your dad.

[549] That's all Kat's design.

[550] She's very talented.

[551] And so she suggests, I was like, what do I do?

[552] And she's like, read this book called A Strange Piece of Paradise.

[553] It's my woman named Terry Jens.

[554] And it is about the Klein Falls State Park Hatchet Attack.

[555] What the fuck?

[556] That's what it looks like.

[557] What's that guy's pelvis?

[558] have to do with it?

[559] I'll tell you all about it.

[560] Actually?

[561] What's pelvis had to do?

[562] Are we going to do that the whole time?

[563] That's what the podcast is called now.

[564] Are we going to do that the whole time?

[565] Wow.

[566] Should we ever do that again?

[567] Are they going to do that the whole time?

[568] That's what it's called.

[569] Okay.

[570] Kleinfall State Park is on the banks of the Deschutes River in central Oregon.

[571] And it's basically, you guys go there for somewhere there?

[572] The park provides fishing access to the river.

[573] In 1976, the Transamerica bicycle trail was the first bicycle touring route to cross the U .S. traveling between Astoria, Oregon, and Yorktown, Virginia, mostly rural two -lane highways.

[574] It was an 80 -day...

[575] It was called the Bicentennial Trail because it was a bicentennial and it was like, ride this trail.

[576] It was a fun play on words.

[577] I get it.

[578] It took you along mostly rural two -lane highways.

[579] It was an 80 -day, 4 ,200 -mile trip.

[580] So in 1977, two Yale undergraduates, Terry Jens and Shana Weiss, are spending the summer before their junior year riding the bike centennial trail.

[581] They were seven days in, and they stopped to camp at Klein Falls State Park, which you're not actually allowed to camp there, but they didn't know that.

[582] It's near Redmond, Oregon.

[583] Both when they get there, they mention having a creepy feeling like they're being watched, but they both ignored that feeling.

[584] because it's like what are you going to be like let's get the fuck out of here you know what I mean yeah no if you're just like I have a feeling and it could be like a deer right just don't know it's just like a really busy body deer yeah just up in your fucking business yeah when did you guys check in you're not allowed to camp here this is my area yeah you don't want to see what I do at night that's why you can't camp here it gets real weird she's somehow that deer has curtains what are you Busy body dear.

[585] Busy body dear.

[586] Well, they settle in for bed around 10 .30 and then around 11 .30 p .m., they're awakened when a truck drives into and over their tent.

[587] What?

[588] They think that at first it must be like an accident, a bunch of drunk teenagers, but Terry expects to hear them freaking out.

[589] But instead, here's what sounds like a single person get out of the truck.

[590] Then she hears Shana scream, leave us alone, and here's the first blow of the hatchet.

[591] Then she hears six quick more blows.

[592] And she says at that point, I knew we were being murdered by a single psycho.

[593] And then he turns his attention to Terry.

[594] She says, he's above me. I'm thrashing from side to side, and I catch a glimpse of a piece of wood.

[595] I feel a hunk of cold metal and start to lose consciousness.

[596] At that point, she said she knew she was going to die, a voice in her head said, I'm too young to die.

[597] So she opens her eyes and standing over her was a meticulously dressed cowboy, straddling me on each side, I could see the boots, the pant legs, the shirt meticulously tucked into his pants.

[598] But his, what?

[599] Sorry.

[600] Like a type A cowboy?

[601] That, what you said, yeah.

[602] I hate the idea of that so much.

[603] Steven put that up again.

[604] That's where that comes in.

[605] Oh, I hate his pelvis.

[606] See, but I feel like he would have gotten those jeans tailored for sure.

[607] Yeah.

[608] Well, she said that they were like perfectly, you know, around his boots in the exact way they're just like not a, she said not a bulge of his cowboy shirt was out of place.

[609] Everything was in place.

[610] Even though he had just fucking driven over people and hacked them with an hatchet.

[611] Mm -hmm.

[612] All right.

[613] But she said he couldn't, she couldn't see his face.

[614] His head disappeared in the darkness.

[615] but she said she could see the axe or hatchet poised above her and he brings it down slowly like as if to you know what's it called line it up?

[616] Yeah aim and she grabs the hatchet right here like she's praying and says to him please go away take whatever you want but go away and leave us alone and he fucking leaves sorry you got questions go for it do you think he was so fucking and, like, tightly wound.

[617] He's like, well, she did ask politely.

[618] I want to murder her so badly.

[619] But she has such good manners.

[620] Yeah.

[621] Fuck.

[622] I know.

[623] I also, there's something about, like, a cowboy.

[624] They're supposed to be this certain way.

[625] You know what I mean?

[626] They're supposed to be like, hey, little.

[627] Come on, let me serve you some beans.

[628] Like, it's all supposed to be.

[629] You know what I mean?

[630] Jump on my horse with me. They're not supposed to fucking...

[631] I don't even think they use hatchets.

[632] No, I don't know.

[633] I don't think they do Do that?

[634] I don't think so.

[635] I don't think Why would they need to?

[636] That's for the logger.

[637] Yeah.

[638] Or the house man. Yeah.

[639] She feels around the tent for her contacts, puts them in with bloody fingers.

[640] What?

[641] How?

[642] How?

[643] Impossible.

[644] I stand there for fucking 20 minutes in my background.

[645] I don't mean to question the victim, but I want more information about those contact lenses.

[646] And then she finds her flashlight.

[647] Listen, I don't fucking wear contacts.

[648] You tell me. Okay.

[649] They're fucking impossible to put in and take out.

[650] One time I thought one was stuck to my eye forever, and it was very upsetting.

[651] The idea that you would even try to do contacts in a tent, who are they?

[652] Okay.

[653] Sorry.

[654] Sorry.

[655] This is really triggering for you.

[656] Yes, I'm very upset.

[657] From the cowboy thing, then you went straight into bloody contacts.

[658] Carrie Karen doesn't want to fucking I'm right now I'm that dear like what the fuck is going on over there thing your gritty hands in your eyes bloody bloody gritty hands fucking okay I'm a little bit keyed up in this coffee right now I'm so excited my god I'm never getting one of these show mode no give that to me My life's blood Your life contact Your life blood contact Don't go back for it I'm gonna go okay Uh uh uh uh uh Steven cut that Okay She gets a flash light She gets out of the crushed tent She sees headlights down the park road And she's like is that the fucking Maniac killer or is that just someone driving through?

[659] So she runs over to it and I'm like Fuck it I got to figure it out It's two teenagers Driving through the park Worst case scenario What if they were the killers?

[660] It was a couple.

[661] They had just gotten in a fight because teenagers just, you know, getting fights.

[662] Seriously, she said that.

[663] I'm serious.

[664] So they're all like, arms crossed?

[665] Like, why are you so bloody?

[666] And then it's like, imagine being like a 16 -year -old girl and you're mad at your boyfriend because he talked to this girl that night.

[667] Like, she just asked for a cigarette and he gave her one.

[668] She's like, here, I'm learning.

[669] And then suddenly, fucking bloody person.

[670] Like a father!

[671] You have me!

[672] Oh, my hair.

[673] Shit.

[674] Those teenagers are got.

[675] married or broke up right then.

[676] They were like, well, I guess it's not that important that she asked you for a cigarette anymore in the scheme of thing.

[677] Now that I realize I have some perspective as a 16 year old.

[678] Now that I know hatchet murders are happening 50 feet away from me. Let's see.

[679] So the two teenagers are drawing through the park.

[680] They find her covered in a blood.

[681] She flags them down.

[682] And then they were like, get in.

[683] And she was like, no, my friend, come follow me. And my friend is here.

[684] And so the teens follow her.

[685] And they find the friend by the river and she's lost consciousness her head is all fucking hit up and then they bring her to the car and the teens take them both to the hospital in critical condition guess what?

[686] They both survive.

[687] Thank God.

[688] Right?

[689] Jesus.

[690] I wasn't going to tell you that before I told you about all the hatchet shit just because then you would be able to breathe a sigh of relief and I didn't want you to do that.

[691] That's good storytelling.

[692] Right?

[693] Yes.

[694] It's tension.

[695] You use that tension.

[696] Also, it would have been such a bummer if she had died because we were riffing like crazy right before.

[697] No one wanted to really laugh, but now you can laugh.

[698] Yeah, now we can do it over the fuck we want.

[699] But you didn't know that you weren't going to die.

[700] We just did it because that's what we're like.

[701] That's what we're like.

[702] Okay, there.

[703] Shana is suffering from serious head injuries and that's the friend and Terry has a broken right leg, two broken arms, one of which is severely hacked by the axe.

[704] And there's a tire print left temporarily on her body.

[705] Can you fucking deal?

[706] Sorry.

[707] Is that the girl that talked to the teenagers?

[708] Yeah.

[709] Two broken arms and a broken leg?

[710] She tried to, she fucking still ran over to the...

[711] Yeah, because she was in crazy adrenaline mode.

[712] Yeah, enough to put her fucking contacts in.

[713] Apparently, when adrenaline hits, the first thing you want to do is touch her fucking iris a bunch.

[714] Do you think she got her saline solution?

[715] No, I'm just making an asshole.

[716] Uh -uh.

[717] And she swirls them around a little bit.

[718] Is that what you do?

[719] Investigators have no description of the car, no white witnesses, no sign of the weapon, no fingerprints.

[720] So aside from sketches made of the truck's tire tracks, the investigation quickly goes cold.

[721] So in the years following, both women recover, Shana has permanently impaired vision, loss of memory of the tech, and doesn't want to fucking talk about it.

[722] And they just stop talking to each other.

[723] but I know but Terry goes back to Yale finishes she's just like a badass 15 years later she goes back to fucking find the person who did it and writes this goddamn book about it oh that's her book yeah holy shit you can show the other one too I gotta read that book is that her yeah wow I have to say don't listen to the audiobook read it it's the audiobooks I'm sorry, yeah, don't.

[724] You recommend the book, book.

[725] Read it right before bed.

[726] It'll give you nightmares.

[727] Yeah, read it.

[728] It's just because the woman who reads it is southern, and it just like, it doesn't make sense in, you know what I mean?

[729] Yes.

[730] Because you're just like listening to a southern accent, but the woman isn't southern.

[731] You know, that's, I realize, I just bought the Errol Morris book that's about the one that's not the one that you did the story about.

[732] Dr. Jeffrey May. McDonald's.

[733] Right.

[734] Is that, you did Sam Shepard or Jeffrey McDonald's?

[735] Sam Shepard.

[736] Okay, so I bought the audio book about Jeffrey McDonald, and the guy that's reading it sounds like an alien that's trying to blend in with human beings.

[737] And it is so distracting.

[738] It is really, it's an art form.

[739] I've realized for fucking years and years, but I have to say, Audible, that's your return books if you don't like it.

[740] Oh.

[741] I've just been like, return.

[742] I fucking hate his voice.

[743] So many times.

[744] Shit, that's good to know.

[745] Totally.

[746] There's no ad.

[747] This is not an ad.

[748] Stephen, cut that ad.

[749] But then lest are going to pay us.

[750] Out of your own pocket, Stephen.

[751] So she goes fucking back.

[752] But after three years, the statute of limitations has expired.

[753] On attempted murder?

[754] On fucking attempted murder.

[755] On being...

[756] Three years, Oregon.

[757] On being a super neat cowboy.

[758] On running over people in their tent that are sleeping and hatcheting them.

[759] Fuck.

[760] Three years.

[761] you're free.

[762] Yeah.

[763] So it's unsolved.

[764] So in 92, she realized she's suffering from PTSD and she goes back to investigate.

[765] She goes to Redmond with a video camera or a notepad and just starts fucking knocking on doors and she says, remember me, I'm this girl and everyone is like, oh fuck.

[766] Like, everyone had, it really had hit them because it was a really nice town and they were so embarrassed that that had happened in their town.

[767] They were just like, shit, man, like we're sorry.

[768] Well, that became their hometown murder essentially.

[769] They were like, you hear about that fucking crazy shit that happened.

[770] So she starts to comb police files and interview anyone who would talk to her.

[771] Nearly all the official records of the attack interviews, physical evidence, crime scene photos had been purged.

[772] But she's able to find a 30 -page report, and even that took a lot of effort.

[773] The first suspect she zeroes in on is a convicted child molester named Richard Wayne Godwin.

[774] He was known to have killed a five -year -old girl and kept her skull as a candle holder.

[775] He's in prison for that murder.

[776] and all the clues about the attack seemed to point in his direction and of course I'm like, it's him.

[777] Like anyone who comes up, it's him.

[778] A female relative of his was camping at Klein Falls State Park that night and it's possible he was pissed at her and did this attack but various details convinced her that it wasn't him but he is up for parole so she fucking hell knows that and goes in and proceeds to intervene on his parole hearing to oppose an early release shit.

[779] Yeah, which worked.

[780] that's nice she just all she did is walk in and go just quick note candle holder skull okay bye see you guys later child the fuck do you need me to do okay so with the help of the teenage girl who was in the rescue car that night the night she was attacked as well as other locals who had everyone was like we know who did her Terry finds out about a local man who was a teenager at the time of her attack what less than 24 hours after the attack Dirk Duran beat his teenage girlfriend so badly that she was put in the hospital.

[781] Her parents tried to file charges against him, but they were told that since they were both minors to just forget it.

[782] Yeah, that's the best way to deal with anything, really.

[783] That's absolutely it.

[784] The judge told them that.

[785] Yeah.

[786] Well, he would know best.

[787] Right.

[788] Teenagers, they're always beating the shit out of each other.

[789] They always beat the shit out of each other.