#1608 - Michael Malice

[0] Check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night All day Hello How are you doing So I knew you were going to have an Android phone Because that's the type of personality That you have I still don't understand What that means You if everybody has an iPhone You're going to get an Android phone Because I'm better than everybody No because you're a contrarian Can it be both?

[1] Yes You're better than everybody And a contrarian And you also probably use a Windows laptop.

[2] I have a Chromebook.

[3] Ah, even more.

[4] Which was gifted to me by a fan.

[5] Thank you, Warren.

[6] Chromebooks are actually pretty logical, because mostly what people do is scroll.

[7] Yeah.

[8] You just go online and scroll.

[9] Well, I don't leave the house.

[10] So what do I need the laptop for?

[11] Are you, like, completely locked down in New York City?

[12] Oh, I just meant because I'm, I don't like, I love my house.

[13] It wasn't because of Corona.

[14] This has just been the case for many years.

[15] So you haven't altered your behavior much at all because of Corona because this is what you've always done?

[16] Well, I've altered it in that, like, I wanted to travel more, but everyone, everyone's closed.

[17] There's nowhere to go.

[18] Are you worried about the virus at all?

[19] No, I'm worried about the response to the virus.

[20] And this is given some very, very bad people, some very useful information about how much crap people put up with.

[21] Yes.

[22] And that we're at a point where it's just like, oh, yeah, we're, you know, we're just going to open up, even though the metrics are worse than when we were closed.

[23] But now, uh, double masks.

[24] Why not?

[25] an onion article from 99 that said drinking dog pee lessens risks of cancer, snickering researchers say, and I'm telling you, if they told people to start drinking dog pee, people will be on Twitter wondering what the best breed.

[26] If Fauci said it, they would do it.

[27] Yeah, there would be a large percentage of the population that would be sucking some and would be yelling at you that you're not doing it.

[28] Yes.

[29] Because how dare you not drink the golden retriever pee?

[30] Yeah.

[31] Which is the golden standard of pee to keep grandma from dying.

[32] Well, I think that's one of the things that's really fascinating about this pandemic is that it's happening during the time of social media, where we've never had anything like this before, where group think is encouraged and enforced.

[33] And people, also, because of the pandemic, so many people are just online all day.

[34] Sure.

[35] Because they're unemployed or they're just, they're at work from home, and they're not really working.

[36] They're just on Twitter all day.

[37] And you're seeing this like these really crazy behavior patterns.

[38] It's like people ganging up on people.

[39] I don't think they're crazy at all.

[40] I think, you know, I had this tweet where it was a huge backlash and I said if you replace the term coronavirus with Jews, all of a sudden the behavior of 1930s Germany makes a lot more sense.

[41] Because one of the big questions back in the day is how did Hitler pull this off?

[42] How do you convince a population of educated people to behave in just the most in human ways?

[43] And what we're seeing is when low status people are given an excuse to assert dominance over other people, for whatever reason, and illegitimate in that case, somewhat legitimate in this case, they will champ at the bit to tell you to sit down and shut up and obey.

[44] That is true.

[45] It decentralizes the enforcement mechanism.

[46] I was on the subway in New York.

[47] I've been New York all my life.

[48] I've never seen anything like this.

[49] Where an older man, his 50s, was yelling at an Asian dude, who wasn't like a rickshaw?

[50] He was just like a regular Asian dude standing over him screaming, where's your mask, go back where you came from.

[51] And it's like, if you're this concerned about the virus, why coming close to him.

[52] You not care about the virus.

[53] This is your excuse to be dominant and aggressive or someone in the most despicable way possible.

[54] That's a lot of what you see in social media, right?

[55] A lot of the really shitty behavior is an excuse to be shitty, you know, like they found an inn in order to exert their shitty behavior.

[56] Being violently anti -racist is the only way lowest status whites have an excuse to be dominant and better than somebody else.

[57] This is the one leg up they have, so this becomes their identity.

[58] You don't see it that much from people who are minorities or people who are immigrants, certainly, people who are gay, unless they went to college.

[59] But you see it all the time with these lowest status -wide, especially white women.

[60] They're tripping over themselves.

[61] Now they have a chance to yell at someone and feel empowered.

[62] It's really reprehensible behavior.

[63] And if you want to stop this behavior, that's not the way to do it.

[64] If you want to stop ignorant behavior, educate people, be friendly with them, say, hey, you know what?

[65] I come from this background you probably don't realize what you're saying but when you're saying this this you're talking about my grandma and when someone comes at you're like that you're like oh crap i'm sorry you know i didn't i didn't mean anything by it and you've educated that person very quickly i don't care about that it's all about dominance always and what do i need to say to get you to do what i want yeah and because of social media they have this weird little outlet now where a person isn't just talking to someone on a subway now they're talking to everyone on the feed they're talking to and a lot of people chime in that also want to reinforce this kind of shitty behavior.

[66] A lot of other low -status people that are finally getting their voice heard on something.

[67] And it's all, let's say, it's irrefutable.

[68] Like, wear a fucking mask.

[69] Like, that's one of those irrefutable things.

[70] No one's going to argue with you.

[71] It's like, if you're wearing a mask, why didn't you mean to wear a mask?

[72] It's like you don't need a condom and a diaphragm, right?

[73] When we were kids, it would have been unimaginable for someone to say, I yelled at my grandparents at Thanksgiving dinner for X, Y, and Z reason.

[74] everyone would be like jock nerd whatever like what is what is wrong with you and now they get applause now they'll go on facebook i told off my grandma i told off my so -called racist dad homophobic mom and everyone's like good for you for standing up for yourself no you're an ass yeah did you see that ticot of the white kid talking about how all white people are racist oh yeah it's amazing because it's a perfect example that it's illogical what he's saying like that he's saying that he's racist right just by very virtue of being white and it's it's so bizarre to watch because he's a caricature he literally is like a parody he's he's he's like one of those youtube comedian parodies of these social justice warriors it it hearkened i made the point that corporate america has done a much better job of importing Maoist communism than the chinese party ever did but this was what Mao invented North Korea still has that they had these struggle sessions where you get up with their colleagues and you have to denounce yourself and say what you did that was horrible and they all berate you.

[75] And then you point out, oh, I saw Joe doing this.

[76] Joe, I saw Mike doing this.

[77] And this was their kind of community because it keeps everyone watching each other all the time.

[78] And it keeps everyone so -called honest.

[79] And by honest, they mean subservient to the regime.

[80] And there was a phone call, conference call from Northwestern University, I believe, when all the law students had to get in the call and say, I'm white and I'm racist.

[81] What?

[82] Yes.

[83] This happens increasingly where you are ordered to say you're at the very least racial insensitive and it's like let me tell you something as an immigrant like this crap does not sit well with me it's just totally foreign to my thinking and it's such this as this um relic of american puritanism you know this kind of like we're all such sinners and we have to denounce ourselves it's this weird mix of woodrow wilson and chairman mao wow that's an interesting way of putting it but i think you're on to something the the korean uh north Korean mode of compliance where they've figured out a way to get people to rat on each other.

[84] Yeah.

[85] This is what's also happening with social media.

[86] They're getting people to turn in people for transgressions for.

[87] Oh, yeah.

[88] So it's the lessons they're learning from like communist totalitarian states and implementing here are very disturbing.

[89] I had Yadmi Park in my show this week.

[90] She's the most famous North Korean refugee.

[91] Yeah, I've seen her.

[92] She's amazing.

[93] And I was asking her what that's like.

[94] And she goes starting at age nine.

[95] like once a week you had to get together in front of your whole school and you had to say this is what I did wrong.

[96] They call it criticism and self -criticism sessions or organizational life meetings.

[97] They're different terms for it.

[98] You get up in front of your school.

[99] I'm yon -mey.

[100] I did this wrong.

[101] You know, I didn't do my homework.

[102] I dropped a pencil.

[103] But then her friend has to get up and be like, I saw you on me doing X, Y, and Z. Because you're not supposed to be an individual.

[104] You're supposed to be accountable.

[105] everyone is accountable to everyone else all the time and that's why people are like why does a North Korea rebel it's like if everyone is publicly spying on everyone else and once a week you have a meeting where you point out and it's got to be something if someone's a good person you got to find something to denounce them it's like where are you going to have the time and space to get together and plot anything it's really genius and you think it's very genius this is one of the things when I wrote my book on North Korea Dear Reader I wanted to point out like people think oh, these people are crazy.

[106] If you're crazy, you're not in power for 70 years.

[107] You're doing something right.

[108] It's evil, but you've figured out how to manipulate and control the human mind.

[109] And she was telling me it's gotten much worse recently.

[110] I was hoping that since Trump met them, like, okay, please tell me it's gotten better.

[111] She goes, no. What they've done now is on the border.

[112] They've put electrified fencing and landmines.

[113] So people can't cross the river into China, which they used to be able to, they used to be able to bribe the border guards.

[114] Now there's a very famous picture of the North Korea of the Korean Peninsula at night, right?

[115] South Korea shines brightly.

[116] North Korea is like a black void.

[117] So they don't have electricity for the people who are starving, who had to manually farm, but they have electricity for this fence to keep them from escaping into, as if China is this big wealthy, you know, a place.

[118] So it's very, it's gotten worse recently, and I was very disappointed to hear that from her.

[119] How did she get out?

[120] Oh, she was sold into sexual slavery, raped.

[121] She had to go through China.

[122] It was this really, really, really long path.

[123] Because once you step foot on South Korean soil, you can claim citizenship there.

[124] It's also really sick because every North Korean who gets to South Korea, they're treated like absolute, absolute garbage.

[125] As soon as they hear you talk with your North Korean accent, you're trashed to them.

[126] So these people, they've even had people who are immigrating back to North Korea because they're, They have nothing going for them in the South.

[127] She even now lives in the West.

[128] She goes, I have Chinese friends, I have American friends.

[129] I have no South Korean, and North Korean friends, of course, no one from South Korea.

[130] Because it's a very classist hierarchical society, and you're the gutter.

[131] And it's just like, I don't want you associated with my family.

[132] Too bad, loser.

[133] It's really, so as bad as it is for them there, which is incomparably worse, it's not like when they get there.

[134] They're welcomed and treated like family.

[135] They're treated horribly.

[136] So this is just some leftover shit from the war.

[137] No, it's just like, we treat poor, like if you're, like, if you're in the deep south here and you go to New York, all these New Yorkers are like going to be holier than now and hear your accent and assume you're dumb and assume you're in red and all these stupid stereotypes that people from cities who think they're better than everybody else have when they hear like a thick accents.

[138] Like you don't, you don't know this person.

[139] They got to New York.

[140] They are interested in seeing something.

[141] Don't judge them just because of how they talk.

[142] You know what the worst thing is?

[143] Again, this is coming, being an immigrant, I keep saying that.

[144] like when people make fun of doctors who have like thick accents it's like this guy's practicing medicine in two languages don't you mean this this is a great genius and you're like oh ha ha it's like no you're the idiot right so it's very very sad so they hear them talk and they're and also they're shorter so south korea is the plastic surgery capital of the world per capita so when they see the men i think the average height in north korea is like 5 -4 so when they're probably because of lack of nutrition yeah because they're all malnourished and then they get the south korea and the women are I don't know how tall, they're screwed there too.

[145] Do you notice that?

[146] Like, you ever look at, like, World War II, the average size of men?

[147] I'll tell you something funny.

[148] A buddy of mine smuggled a North Korean military suit out of North Korea and gave it to me, and it fit perfectly.

[149] It fit perfectly.

[150] I didn't even have to get it tailored.

[151] Yeah, I mean, when you go into these old buildings like Monticello and Thomas Jefferson's house, they're all the walls, the ceiling just shorter.

[152] Well, I was in Italy.

[153] in I guess it was Florence no maybe Florence but they had it might have been Rome and they had these old suits of armor and you looked at them and they're like whoa this is crazy like these are the soldiers yeah these are like children there's a little tiny people because nobody had any fucking food right it was hard to get enough food to grow yeah it's it's uh you want to talk about little people do you want to talk about the elves elves like which ones?

[154] The machine house.

[155] Oh, okay.

[156] Because I want to talk to you about it, because I've been doing some research about this.

[157] Research?

[158] Yeah.

[159] What kind of research?

[160] Taking drugs?

[161] I would never take drugs.

[162] Oh.

[163] You know, if someone's on drugs, they say, what's wrong with him?

[164] Is he on drugs?

[165] Right.

[166] Is he a drug addict?

[167] You would never want to do that.

[168] Crazy people.

[169] Only crazy people do drugs.

[170] Yeah.

[171] So do you think, you've done more to popularize DMT than anybody else.

[172] Do you think that these elves are real?

[173] I don't know if real is the right word.

[174] the question is we look at consciousness and we look at like an intelligent entity as being in a physical carbon -based form that's in front of you that you can shake hands with or give a hug to right when you experience what happens when you take dimethyl tryptamine you throw all that out the window because the environment itself is not it's it's it's there's it's not defined it's fluid meaning that it's changing constantly but yet it seems far more vivid and far more real right than this life right now and there are these things that are there and they communicate with you and they seem to be really communicating with you and they seem to also know you know all of your bullshit and be able to see right through you yes but they don't seem to be you they seem to be something else right that's all we know right but I'm asking you what you think but that's what I think that's all we know there's no you can't like you could say that's a well of souls that's what happens when you die that's the afterlife that's a parallel dimension these are aliens that's how they can communicate with us they're non -physical life forms that exist in these realms of light we don't know it's just you're just guessing right well i've been talking to people and i've been told the theory that we are 3d beings but they're 4d beings so that we're 3d projections of 4d beings so when you're taking you're breaking the veil you are perceiving the 4d space maybe but that's all you could ever say it's really just a maybe you know when everybody said when people say i know what that is i am communicating with the afterlife or i know what that is these are the real aliens.

[175] This is what happens when you're sleeping and people have these alien abduction experiences.

[176] What they really are having is an endogenous DMT dump because your brain does produce DMT.

[177] But new research is showing that it's not just the brain that produces DMT.

[178] They used to think it was the pineal gland, but now they think literally the whole brain is producing it and the liver and the lungs.

[179] So it's part of the human body.

[180] It's something that the human body makes they've been able to isolate it in specific organs but they think this really bizarre super potent psychedelic compound is everywhere and they also think it's responsible for dreaming they think there's an amount of it that comes out while you're sleeping while you're in heavy REM sleep this is speculative they're trying to but the thing is there's parallels right one of the parallels to the psychedelic states and dreams is that they're very difficult to recall they like right you wake up and it's the most vivid you come out of the experience right it's the most vivid thing that you've ever experienced in your life and then moments later you're like i don't remember what happened it's just like a dream so you've never had because everyone who takes it talks about the spirit molecule right how much it affects our understanding of reality so and so forth you've never had lingering effects from the dmt experience cross over into meet space you mean like tripping for no reason or just seeing the way i've been told is that like if you're on a highway, right, and there's all these billboards, you don't notice what those billboards are, right?

[181] But let's suppose you're on a highway in another country and you don't understand what those billboards are if you want, if you want to, because they're another language.

[182] After you take it, you are able to see those signs and perceive them and read them.

[183] So that things in real life that you have previously been oblivious to, you now pick up on connections that you previously couldn't.

[184] Well, I guess you could say that any time you have a paradigm.

[185] shifting moment in your life where you could have this from just from a near -death experience or the loss of a loved one where you're forced to reevaluate everything and look at things through fresh fresh eyes that anything like that is going to force you anything that's so titanically bizarre and ultimately incredibly different than your average day on this earth this thing that changes you it's going to force you to take things in i would look at it that way more than i would look at that, like, all of a sudden you can, like, see these billboards in another country and recognize these patterns.

[186] I mean, you're probably just being more aware.

[187] Marijuana does that for me more than anything.

[188] Okay.

[189] You know, especially edible marijuana.

[190] Edible marijuana, for me, is, like, one of the most reality highlighting experiences.

[191] Because it makes me think about the buildings, like, this is, I just take these fucking things for granted.

[192] Yeah, yeah.

[193] There's a 64 -story story.

[194] thing in front of me and there's these human catacombs and people are shitting into these tubes and they go down through the water and there's pipes everywhere with human shit and then there's electricity pumping through everything and everyone's got a TV or a PlayStation running and we're all just juiced into this machine and yeah the matrix yeah listen I think of people as human batteries all the time I really do I think of people as as consuming current producing batteries like that's what we're consuming things taking things in and then we're also through our work all day long so many people just doing something they hate to do just to create currency and then to add to the system and to purchase more things and they just see them sitting in in front of the machine sitting for the machine and they go home sitting in front of the TV sitting in front of the screen on their car and we're just we're constantly in this state of of consuming and producing, consuming and producing, and then adding to this weird techno society that we live in.

[195] Okay, let's all from weed.

[196] Okay, but let me ask you another question.

[197] Okay.

[198] Let's suppose I drew in a piece of paper, I drew you, and I drew me, and I drew a house, right?

[199] And I said, what is what correspond to?

[200] And you'd point to that, you'd say, that's me, and you'd point to that, you'd say that's malice.

[201] That house has no correspondence in 3D space.

[202] It's a theoretical house, right?

[203] Okay.

[204] What if some of these people that you're talking about don't exist?

[205] in the 4D space?

[206] What if they are 3D representations that don't have a representation in 4D space, just like that 2D house I just drew, doesn't really exist?

[207] Okay, so what if they're like, what is that NPCs?

[208] What if they literally don't have a higher form of existence?

[209] Isn't that like your ego fucking with you, though?

[210] Well, that's why I'm asking you, because apparently when people do a lot of DMT, they see things like this.

[211] Oh, do they?

[212] Yeah, that's what I'm heard.

[213] yeah I've met people that see things on DMT that were very ego driven like I knew a guy who had a crazy DMT trip and he felt like he had a team that was working for him in this other dimension and they were all about him and they're helping him and they're all together with him and that like you know his life he has destiny in his life and he has to fulfill his destiny and they're working to fulfill his I'm like this is like some weird ego driven idea of what's happening in this space that he's like sort of he's forcing whatever that experience was to fit this mold of what he thinks of himself and by the way it wasn't very accomplished at the time right so think of this as like it's you know delusions of grandeur right of course I I know well but this is I think a kind of some sort of a reconciliation of that like he's sort of trying to figure out why it's not happening the way he wants it to happen and what is what is wrong but yet also tripping and seeing these entities and saying oh they're all with me they're going to help me they're working with me on all of my plans and this is this is all my team and another it was very strange so I never felt like that at all I've I've felt every time I've done it it's like here's all your bullshit oh yeah look at you loser like it's highlighted all.

[214] No, it's never like you're so great and we're so honored to be talking to you, Joe Rog.

[215] And it's like, dude, get over yourself.

[216] You ain't shit.

[217] But I thought that there are some people who basically become chiropractors of reality.

[218] So if he's like, you're going to help me achieve my goals and you're behind me, that's nonsense.

[219] But if he's there to help them achieve their goals, that's a whole very different perspective.

[220] Yeah, sure.

[221] So like that kind of thing where like just awesome things happen to you.

[222] Not what you would want, but you're basically an agent of bringing about positivity and kindness in the world.

[223] Hmm.

[224] Well, I think the more you can do good things, right?

[225] The more you can be an agent of kindness and positivity, the more you're going to literally spread out the fingers and branches of love.

[226] Right.

[227] And if you do do that and then you do have psychedelic experiences, I would have.

[228] Imagine if you've made a positive shift like that, your experience would be much more positive when you go into that dimension.

[229] Right.

[230] Yeah.

[231] Are we stealing Lex's a vernacular?

[232] In what way?

[233] Just talking about love.

[234] No, well, Lex is all about love, though, isn't he?

[235] He's interested.

[236] I love that guy.

[237] I love him so much.

[238] He's amazing.

[239] Well, no, this is why it's different for me. Lex Friedman, for those who don't know, I've become very close to him recently because, having someone from the same background as me, you know, he's from Ukraine, Jewish as well, you know, a little bit nerdy.

[240] Like, it's having, like, if you found out your dad had a secret family and you have this cousin.

[241] So I, I absolutely could be his cousin too.

[242] I could.

[243] I bet you DNA.

[244] I mean, the Jews were all imbred over there.

[245] So he, like, texted me yesterday, good luck tomorrow.

[246] Like, people don't appreciate, and I don't understand, given his Soviet blood, which is just ice cold, it has to be, how good -hearted he is, how kind -hearted he is, he's no dummy, he's not naive.

[247] No, no, but I'm just, I just am absolutely so glad that we become pals.

[248] And I'm scared I'm going to be a bad influence on him.

[249] How so?

[250] Because there's a purity to him.

[251] And whenever I see, like, pure people part of me in my Russian sadism comes out, and it's like, okay, let's see how pure you are, huh?

[252] You want this apple?

[253] It's a good apple.

[254] Oh, he'll be fine.

[255] Oh, I'm not too worried.

[256] But like, when you see someone who you appreciate as a friend and you become a fan of that person, you really want to be sure.

[257] You get protective of them.

[258] Let's put it that way.

[259] I'm very protective.

[260] And he doesn't need my protection.

[261] Right.

[262] He's a martial artist.

[263] He's great at all this stuff.

[264] But it's still like, I'm sure you're the same way.

[265] Like when it's not easy getting to our position and you're like a thousand times more important than I am.

[266] but you know you surround yourself with people who are strong and you've I'd rather take the bullet than somebody else not literally in this case I know what you're saying yeah I well I I'm one of the best things about this podcast is being able to elevate people's profile and to be able to like get a guy like that like Lex and let people know this guy this is a special person and this is an MIT scientist who works on artificial intelligence who's also fascinated by love yeah he's a Brazilian jiu black belt and he's got a brilliant podcast and you know and he's black belt black suit black tie just like john wick i mean his his podcast has really been one of my favorite go -to shows on youtube now i think it's amazing he and he has my favorite all -time interview with commander david fraver who's the guy who saw the tick -tac UFO off the coast of san diego he's the fighter pilot from the navy and it's a fucking incredible interview because they get into all the nerdy details of avionics.

[267] They get into all the details of the equipment and how it all works and how he could see that this was an intelligent thing.

[268] This is not an illusion.

[269] It was blocking his radar.

[270] And they get deep into the weeds of what this thing was.

[271] And then the spectacular capabilities of it, the fact that it showed no hint of propulsion.

[272] There's no evidence whatsoever of a heat signature.

[273] there's nothing that could indicate why it could move the way it could move.

[274] And then when he went into the details of the actual physical movement of it, that it went from somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 to 80 ,000 feet above sea level to one foot above sea level in less than a second.

[275] Oh, wow.

[276] Okay.

[277] And then vanished quickly afterwards and then appeared at his preordained coordination point.

[278] So the like the tracking system that he has, had when he locked onto this thing, I don't know if it was able to read his computer or if it knew an advance word, but it literally showed up 30 miles away where he was supposed to be after it had this encounter with him.

[279] It goes directly to that spot.

[280] They're in the middle of the fucking ocean.

[281] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[282] It's not a coincidence.

[283] They're off the Nimitz and they're flying off these aircraft carriers and this fucking thing goes to his coordination point.

[284] Like it knew where to go.

[285] like it's saying hey fuck face i want you to see me yeah i want you to see me my grandfather was an air traffic controller in the soviet union and he said yeah we these aren't dummies these are highly technical highly skilled professionals they know what statistical noises you know yeah let's pretend one time it's statistical noise but he's like we saw this kind of stuff all the time and we knew it wasn't the americans because you had some idea of what the other country was about so what i really hate is when people are so skeptical it doesn't have to be aliens but at the very least we have data from really smart people who are whose job it is to observe who've been doing it for decades and they have decades of data if you're seeing something that they can't explain you don't tell me it's a stork right yeah well these people that are professional debunkers their debunking of things is so preposterous sometimes it's like it's a religion in and of itself right because they're they're deciding that they're going to by any means necessary make this thing to be nonsense.

[286] They're going to find some nonsensical explanation for this that makes it nonsense and not even realizing while they're doing that, that they've become nonsense.

[287] Like, no, you have a thing that is being tracked by the most sophisticated tracking systems we have for war, and it's showing incredible abilities that we don't understand.

[288] We have no comprehension of.

[289] and there's more than one physical recording of these things.

[290] There's multiple recordings.

[291] There's multiple videos of them.

[292] And apparently there's some that they're trying to, there's some debate about whether they should or should not release them.

[293] And these are discussions that are being held amongst like senators and high -level politicians and people in the Pentagon.

[294] And that was one of the reasons why on the coronavirus, this the pandemic relief bill they wanted to have in a thing where the CIA has to release all of its UFO files within 180 days which is like what the fuck is that doing in a COVID relief bill what is that doing in there what's doing there because these fucking people are they're aware that there's an issue and they want all the information and they're like okay we will give this relief but we want something and we want to know what the fuck you know?

[295] What do you know?

[296] Because the New York Times prints this article that shows these images that they've captured or this thing moving that is showing no heat signature at all at a preposterous rate of speed right over the ocean just fucking zipping across the sky and they're like, what is this?

[297] Like, tell us what the fuck this is?

[298] There was a Penn and Teller used to have a show called Bullshit and I'm a big fan of both of them and it takes a lot to get me angry to get me triggered but there was one episode of that where I was like really, really angry because there was a couple of older dudes in like their 50s and they would go on Loch Ness once a week in their canoe and hang out and look for Nessie, right?

[299] And one of them had a theory which is stupid that the Loch Ness monster is a male Moray eel which was sterile so it grew really big.

[300] And Penn's there, tellers quiet, of course.

[301] Penn yelling like, oh, what a moron that doesn't make sense.

[302] I'm like, wait, wait, this is who you're going after two dudes who go on a lake and hang out and are friends?

[303] Like this is like frog and toad, right?

[304] This is like the epitome of humanity where you're enjoying nature, you're looking around, you're with your friend, you enjoy each other's company, this isn't the enemy, you know?

[305] The vituperation, I was just like, oh, dude, and Penn, his credit is good about, like, he's like, you're right, I'm a man of peace, I shouldn't have done that, so, but that really still sticks with me like 10 years later.

[306] He's more of a man of peace now than he's ever been before, right?

[307] What do you mean?

[308] No, well, that he's a vegan.

[309] He's lost a ton of weight.

[310] He's a vegan?

[311] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[312] that's very sad well I think it it helped him lose a lot of weight and he just has decided he doesn't want to play any part in animal death anymore vegans still take part in insect death and animal death yeah there's a lot of burrowing animals that get destroyed any monocrop agriculture here's how you can be if you don't want to be a part of any animal death grow all your own food mammoth pen oh well that's dead animals that's been That is a dope pen.

[313] Let me see that.

[314] Is that a mammoth tooth?

[315] Giraff wallet.

[316] Oh, giraffe.

[317] Yeah.

[318] What else do I have on me?

[319] This is beautiful.

[320] Yeah.

[321] So that is a fossilized mammoth tooth?

[322] Yeah, since mammars are extinct, you don't have to, yeah.

[323] Right.

[324] Flathill Antiques is the guy.

[325] That's gorgeous, man. That's so pretty.

[326] Giraff.

[327] I may have seal leather shoes at home.

[328] Seal?

[329] Leather, not fur.

[330] So the leather's okay, but the, the, The fur is illegal?

[331] Is that what happens?

[332] No, they're both illegal, but it's vintage.

[333] Oh, you can get like old, you go buy old ivory.

[334] They used to have an old ivory band.

[335] The ivory is much more regulated because you need to have a certificate and it's a whole process.

[336] The seal leather shoes, you just got them on eBay.

[337] Yeah, for whatever reason, ivory was always a big ingredient in pool cues.

[338] Well, that's why they invented plastic.

[339] You know that, right?

[340] Really?

[341] You didn't know this?

[342] There's a book called plastic and it's like the reason plastic.

[343] How many uses this plastic have?

[344] Just look around.

[345] Not even just the hospital with the IVs and syringes.

[346] and everything.

[347] They were running out of ivory to make the balls.

[348] Billiard balls and the white ball that strikes all the others.

[349] So they invented plastic.

[350] I think it was out of the residue from chimneys, like that stuff that they make purple ink from back in the day.

[351] Really?

[352] And then they, so billiard balls, thanks to billiard balls, everything around us, how many lives have been saved.

[353] Wow.

[354] That's crazy.

[355] It's also kind of great how creative people are where it's like, Okay, ivory is just elephant teeth, right?

[356] So you would think they could just get like pig teeth or something.

[357] They're like, no, we're going to invent this whole new thing.

[358] And the positive effects, and I can hear all the environmentalists right now, what about the ocean?

[359] Yeah, I get it.

[360] I get it.

[361] That's a problem.

[362] I'm not arguing.

[363] It's not a problem.

[364] I'm just saying if you think how much plastic has furthered mankind in so many ways.

[365] I've never experienced ivory pool balls.

[366] But old timers, when I used to play, would talk about the different ways that ivory balls would react.

[367] Oh, yeah, it's going to have to, yeah, plastic.

[368] Phenolic balls.

[369] Phenolic balls.

[370] It's like the balls you get, like you see if you get like Brunswick makes like a great set of balls.

[371] Those balls are very heavy, dense plastic.

[372] It's very hard to chip or scratch.

[373] Or I'm sure the piano probably would have been differently because it's a different weight.

[374] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[375] It would be way different.

[376] Like now new pianos they must make with plastic.

[377] Of course.

[378] It's been for a while because that's going to be a lot of ivory to fill that keyboard.

[379] But I wonder if, like, tickling the ivories, right?

[380] That's what he's called.

[381] I wonder if those old pianos are frowned upon, or are they, like, are they cherished?

[382] They've got to be cherished.

[383] Anything old that's in good condition people have a bonus for.

[384] But don't you think people get weirded out by the fact that an elephant was murdered to make these keys?

[385] And you're sitting here hanging on to it?

[386] I don't know if they, yeah, I guess they don't put two and two together, right?

[387] They stopped using it in pool cues.

[388] A lot of manufacturers have.

[389] They use something called Elfrin, which is like.

[390] Like a synthetic ivory.

[391] It's all about the elves, see?

[392] Yeah, all about the elves.

[393] Yeah.

[394] It's a synthetic ivory.

[395] It looks like ivory, but it's a plastic.

[396] So it has, like, a subtle grain to it that sort of mimics ivory.

[397] It's indistinguishable.

[398] And they make, they make, like, pen blanks out of it.

[399] And I didn't know.

[400] That was the name.

[401] Like, all sorts of faux ivory stuff.

[402] They still make out of it.

[403] Shaving brushes.

[404] It is weird, though.

[405] It's like, I remember I had a jacket on once that had a jacket.

[406] A jacket coat.

[407] How do you remember that?

[408] That was from Just Shoot Me. No, that was friends.

[409] No, I was on Just Shoot Me. I had a jacket coat.

[410] I thought you were dating Rachel.

[411] No, no, no, no. You see, you have a false memory.

[412] Oh, wow, I thought of his friends.

[413] I think it was his name, Laura San Jacomo.

[414] Yeah, yeah, okay, that's where it's from.

[415] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[416] Anyway, I had a hood, and the hood had this fur liner, but it was fake fur.

[417] and this woman said to me I don't like your fur I go well it's fake fur she goes well I don't like what it represents I'm like what killing wookies what you're talking about it's fake fur you don't like what it represents that it represents fake fur like what kind of conversation are we having here but you just walked you on the street no is at a comedy club I'm like you got in trouble you just got busted like being judgmental on something I don't have anything that's fur But this is what we're talking about before.

[418] This is her chance to be dominant over you.

[419] Exactly.

[420] And put you in your place.

[421] For no reason.

[422] Yeah.

[423] For a hood.

[424] Yeah.

[425] Do you think I'm out there strangling muskrats to make this fucking thing?

[426] Like, what are you talking about?

[427] It was so obviously fake, too.

[428] Was it really?

[429] I thought so.

[430] I mean, it just didn't look real.

[431] It's very sad how many people feel the need to, and I say this somewhat tongue -in -cheek, put others down to make themselves feel important.

[432] Yeah.

[433] It's a weird tendency.

[434] that you know i've fallen for i've done it definitely like what's the last time you did it it's been a long time but i guess when you you're making fun of people and you get a big laugh you're kind of doing that yeah i mean that's that is part i mean you can say it's under the guise of humor and it definitely is and it is a part of the game look if you're a comic like if you shit on someone on twitter and and and people read it and laugh i read your twitter all the time you're ruthless but it's funny i think it's funny and I always wonder who actually reads it I read Twitter all the time Here's the other thing Jeb Bush followed me on my birthday Just like we were talking before the show Like I woke up in the middle of the night Like 8 a .m. in the middle of the night To go pee I check Twitter And it says Jeb Bush followed you And I think it's okay Someone who's using Jeb Bush as a handle But he has got the check And I look and Jeb Bush He and he follows like I thought okay Maybe he's got a bot That he follows like 10 ,000 people You know what I mean?

[435] Right And I look he found like 300 people And I DM'd with him And first of all, Jeb Bush gets a bad rap because he's dorky, but he's not like a douche.

[436] He comes from a blue blood family.

[437] He married someone who didn't speak English.

[438] He is goofy, but if that's the worst you could say with someone being goofy, that they're doing pretty good.

[439] You know, I messaged him to get in my show.

[440] He didn't want to do it because politics is so screwed up.

[441] And I'm always scared that he's unfollowed me because it's kind of like, you know, I am pretty ruthless.

[442] And it's just like, oh, Megan Kelly unfollowed me and I don't blame her.

[443] Really?

[444] I do tweet a lot, yeah.

[445] What did you say?

[446] I don't know.

[447] She just followed me one day, then I looked again and it was gone.

[448] I'm like, Megan, I don't blame you.

[449] I do not blame you at all.

[450] Seriously, it's a dumpster fire.

[451] She's on a podcast run now.

[452] She's been doing everybody's podcast and also doing her own.

[453] Yeah, she had Bridget on.

[454] She had my buddy Ben Dominician.

[455] I do a podcast with her, but I want to do it in person.

[456] I thought she was going to come on here.

[457] Yeah, we're talking about doing it, but I think she wants to do it virtually.

[458] What is that?

[459] What is?

[460] Yeah, I'm not interested in that.

[461] No, no, no, no. Oh, oops.

[462] I'm getting a call.

[463] Bye, Joe.

[464] Yeah, I want to stare into the Ice Queen's eyes.

[465] Yes, and there'll be blood shooting out.

[466] I'm actually a fan of her in many ways.

[467] I think, you know, she has a strong backbone.

[468] You know, I don't agree with her on a lot of things, but I admire her backbone, you know, that she stands up for things.

[469] She, by all accounts, got to where she was because of her hard work and talent.

[470] Yeah.

[471] There was that movie where, like, Roger made a passer, Roger Ailes.

[472] She wasn't having it, and he still gave her the promotion.

[473] She had great ratings It was really sad when they were trying to make her out To be like your gal pal next door She fucked up when she went over to NBC That was a disaster But I just I think the cash Oh yeah sure They came with that long cash But they wanted to change the essence of her show Right And now it all of a sudden it became like They didn't want a Republican show She was a staunch Republican over at Fox News She was the ice queen Yeah And they wanted her like Oh I'm dancing And it's just like, oh, no, no. I thought it was interesting, though, that, like, the show became sort of, it seems like there was a lot of conflict that you could sort of see with the network while the show was on the network.

[474] And they were, like, looking for an excuse to get rid of her.

[475] They clearly were, because what she said was taken a little bit out of context.

[476] For sure, it was taken out of context.

[477] And wasn't that big of a deal.

[478] It was a question.

[479] Like, she was saying, why can't you be, like, Diana Ross for her?

[480] Halloween.

[481] That's essentially what her question was.

[482] And her point was correct that when we were kids, like on what's happening, Joey Lawrence was in blackface, Sarah Silverman used to be in black face.

[483] Jimmy Kimmel.

[484] This was a teaching, but when the kids did on the sitcoms, it was a teaching moment.

[485] Like, hey, this is something you see.

[486] Don't ever do it.

[487] It's wrong.

[488] Now if you did it in that context, it's just unthinkable.

[489] So she was asking, why was it acceptable?

[490] Not that it's good, but that you could show it in our context.

[491] At least that's what I thought she was saying.

[492] Maybe I'm giving her too much credit.

[493] No, I think she was basically saying, like, why is it offensive to dress up as a black person you admire for Halloween?

[494] Like, why can't you be Mr. T?

[495] Right.

[496] You can't.

[497] You just can't.

[498] And it's not, dressing up like Mr. T is not black face.

[499] Right.

[500] What black face is, is minstrel blackface, like the Al Jolson shit.

[501] And if you watch that, you understand, look, if someone's wearing white gloves and they have this big white lips and their whole face is black.

[502] like Cole, like what they're doing is a different thing than someone pretending they're Mr. T. That's blackface.

[503] When you're pretending you're Mr. T, you're just wearing a costume.

[504] If you want to be Diana Ross, you're wearing a costume with makeup on.

[505] But the thing is like even, I don't even think like, do you know what happens with bodybuilders?

[506] Do you know about this?

[507] What do you mean?

[508] I know a lot.

[509] What about them?

[510] Bodybuilders used to wear blackface.

[511] They used to tan everything.

[512] Right.

[513] Now they tan their whole body up to the face.

[514] They do chocolate body.

[515] Me and Brendan Schaub went into a fucking hysterical fit, laughing.

[516] Wait, wait, they do this not, so the face doesn't get dark?

[517] Yes.

[518] Wait, they just had Mr. Olympi.

[519] You're saying there was a line?

[520] Dude, it's bananas.

[521] The white guys.

[522] Don't use that word in this context.

[523] The white guys.

[524] The white guys go up to the neck.

[525] They'll even do like black neck, but they won't do black face.

[526] Oh, my God.

[527] No, no. Yes.

[528] I have a...

[529] Yes, look at that guy's face.

[530] That's real.

[531] That's not Photoshop.

[532] This is what they do now.

[533] Women, men, everybody.

[534] They go all the way up to the face, but they don't do the face.

[535] Wait, what about the black bodybuilders?

[536] Do they get to do it?

[537] Well, black bodybuilders are black.

[538] But they're not that black.

[539] It doesn't matter.

[540] You make yourself blacker.

[541] Wait, I have an acquaintance who competed Mr. Olympia.

[542] Antoine Veylon.

[543] He was a big fan the show.

[544] Hey, Antoine.

[545] I don't think...

[546] I think he's...

[547] I think he tans every.

[548] thing he's Canadian and he's white know any better like Justin Trudeau just following orders Mr. Prime Minister Wow holy Is this I don't Can you pull up the Mr. Olympia because I don't think they were looking like this This might just be like the lower twos No no no no no no no no no no one is going to take that chance And wear blackface It used to be what they did I mean the greats like Dorian Yates All of them Jay Cotler All of them dark as fuck Look you can tan There, he's fine.

[549] Look at his chin.

[550] It's white as fuck.

[551] I think that's delight in.

[552] No, no, that's his way out.

[553] If I just have the, only the mouth.

[554] Oh, like a goatee.

[555] There he is on the left.

[556] He's the same color.

[557] Yeah, but see, that's probably, no, no, no, no. His face is white, bro.

[558] I don't, oh, come on.

[559] You seriously think there's a line?

[560] 100%.

[561] Look at his thigh.

[562] Look at his right thigh and look at his face.

[563] They're two completely different colors.

[564] There's no doubt about it.

[565] Now, I'm sure he actually tans as well, but that's, shit that they put on is like a die.

[566] I'm telling you, Shob and I, we investigated this.

[567] There's a video of it online.

[568] I'm going to DM him right now.

[569] Yeah.

[570] There's a video of it online and then there's like a cartoon that Polytune made and we are just in hysterics.

[571] We can't stop laughing at these people with their chocolate body.

[572] But that's, when is that going to become like a problem?

[573] When are you going to get canceled for wearing chocolate body in the past?

[574] He's reading it right now.

[575] Do you test?

[576] There's us.

[577] This is us.

[578] Look at this cartoon.

[579] Rogan is saying bodybuilders are scared.

[580] Who are you talking to?

[581] Antoine.

[582] Antoine.

[583] Veylon.

[584] Who's that?

[585] He's the one we just showed.

[586] He's in a Mr. Olympia.

[587] Oh, you know that guy?

[588] Yeah.

[589] Tan.

[590] I got friends in all locations.

[591] All right.

[592] It's tan, your face.

[593] But it, he wrote in all caps, but it is not like black face.

[594] I told you Look at this one It's black body Look at this lady Look at this lady He's writing in all caps It's black body Okay So just to clarify Yeah So this is real Yeah You wait You tan face And body The same No way Look at this lady That's not him He just sent me a picture of himself There's no way He tans face and body the same i'm asking him we got a pro here he's a liar he's not a he's a he's a he's a he's a cold liar no he's a good bro he doesn't claim natty or anything just well he's he's typing he's typing there's going to be a novel this is going to be great oh my god there's no way he's wearing that dark dye on his face impossible never happening okay he's typing we got the dots we ask the pro we'll find yes a bit lighter but people who don't do it we call the light bulb effect Let's see what that means A bit lighter Europeans do it more For some reason So it's not a black face thing It is a black face thing He said it all caps It's not a black face thing Listen to me It is a black face thing I'm listening to Anton Because before they all did it They all had dark faces Let's go to some old fun Go to 1995 Mr. Olympia I'm not arguing that Listen they all used to Have their face A uniform color with their body They do not do that anymore And the reason why they don't do it anymore is because of fear being called out for wearing black face.

[595] They have this bronze dream tan which looks like they smeared themselves in shiny, glittery shit, the Europeans.

[596] Okay.

[597] Okay.

[598] He's trying to obfuscate.

[599] He's using the Europeans.

[600] I want to see some...

[601] Look at that.

[602] See?

[603] Look at that guy.

[604] That guy's got blackface on.

[605] That guy said nobody.

[606] What's his name?

[607] I don't give a fuck.

[608] He's jacked.

[609] Oh no, but yeah, whatever.

[610] That guy is wearing full...

[611] Well, these guys are all black, Jamie.

[612] We'll get some white folks.

[613] That's Danis Wolf, yeah.

[614] Black as fuck.

[615] Look at their faces.

[616] Pull up this year's Olympia, and we'll see.

[617] Okay.

[618] Let's go.

[619] 2021.

[620] Or 2020?

[621] Mr. Olympia?

[622] Who won Mr. Olympia 2020?

[623] Big Rami.

[624] Rami?

[625] Yeah.

[626] That guy's gigantic.

[627] Yeah.

[628] That guy's in the middle probably.

[629] Look at that.

[630] White face.

[631] Who's the guy in the left?

[632] The guy in the left is white?

[633] Two guys on the left are white.

[634] But he's not.

[635] The face is the same.

[636] No, that guy...

[637] The guy in the middle of the face is the same.

[638] That guy in the middle looks like he's probably Latin American or Brazilian or something like that.

[639] Let's find out who that guy is.

[640] That's 2012 pounds.

[641] That's not the heavyweights.

[642] Oh, was that different?

[643] We just saw two guys with white face.

[644] Look at the guy in the far left.

[645] Black -body white face.

[646] I don't think the face is that...

[647] Shut your fucking whore mouth.

[648] Look at his face.

[649] You sound like my dad.

[650] Look at his face.

[651] It's so white.

[652] Okay.

[653] Wait, wait, wait, hold on.

[654] He's going to send me pictures.

[655] He's, he's talking nonsense.

[656] He's sending me pictures, okay.

[657] I...

[658] For sure, he darkens his face.

[659] Maybe it's like red face.

[660] Maybe he's doing some Native American cultural appropriation shit.

[661] It's called Eskimo up there.

[662] Oh, Eskimo.

[663] He's from Montreal.

[664] Look at that.

[665] White face.

[666] White face.

[667] I don't think that's white face.

[668] Yeah, white face.

[669] The best tan is spray tan, pro tan, and I hate that part.

[670] Oh, I hate it.

[671] Joe told me to shut my whore mouth.

[672] Shut my My poor mouth Thank you for ruining my episode Look at this guy Look at this guy Come on son White face But he's not a Mr. Olympia competitor Okay whatever he is He's Jack from white face Physique That's men's physique Yeah physique champ What is the difference They have got The gorillas Then these are trying to look still pretty Then there's fitness There's like four of them Oh, this is a different category.

[673] So there's a really giant guys, and then there's like normal looking athletic.

[674] Where they don't show the quads.

[675] Because they're in the board shorts.

[676] Yeah, pull him up.

[677] He wasn't showing quads.

[678] What is this nonsense?

[679] They make fun of that.

[680] So they're trying to look aesthetic.

[681] Wait a minute.

[682] They don't show their fucking quads.

[683] They wear board shorts?

[684] Yes.

[685] Shut the fuck up.

[686] This is real?

[687] They skip leg day like Madison Claw.

[688] Oh, what is going on?

[689] Why are they wearing board shorts?

[690] Because that's the stage outfit.

[691] What the fuck is that?

[692] That is so.

[693] strange.

[694] The stage outfit is listen, stop DMing someone who's not even here while we're on a podcast.

[695] Fine.

[696] Let it go.

[697] But I think he'd find it funny that you're laughing at men's physique.

[698] It is hilarious.

[699] It is hilarious.

[700] You want to...

[701] I'd say it.

[702] It is fine.

[703] By Samsung.

[704] Yeah.

[705] Your contrarian phone.

[706] If someone gave you an iPhone, like I'm not using it.

[707] I don't use Apple products.

[708] Would you?

[709] You would, right?

[710] Come on.

[711] Tell me you don't hate Apple products.

[712] In that voice.

[713] I don't use Apple products I tell you what Apple has a commitment to privacy that is admirable I have an iPod that I use from the 20s Is that bad an iPod touch Is it on wood What the fuck you're talking about Okay I funny you just said that My friend is from Czech Republic Simon And his great His grandparents are still mad Because his mom was dating someone And this is communist Czechoslovakia Back in the day They were very proud of themselves That an electric calculator and they had in a special velvet bag and they would plug it into the wall for it to run and he goes, oh, does it run on coal?

[714] And they never forgave him for this and for 20 years they're like, I've never liked him because of that.

[715] Oh, God.

[716] Imagine holding a grudge on something that's actually just kind of funny.

[717] Forever.

[718] Never liked him.

[719] I've done that.

[720] Marking my calculator.

[721] What have you done about?

[722] Having grudge for people about things that wasn't really funny.

[723] Really?

[724] That sounds like something I would do.

[725] I can't think of any.

[726] the top of my head.

[727] When's the last time I got really held a grudge for someone and got ass mad about it?

[728] It's been a, I can't, nothing comes to mind.

[729] But it's got to be there.

[730] But a calculator?

[731] Imagine like caring.

[732] Someone mocks whether your calculator plugs into the wall.

[733] But it's like this is your pride and joy like in these poor countries.

[734] Like I've got this calculator.

[735] It's electric.

[736] I had to work for three years.

[737] Right.

[738] Okay.

[739] I see.

[740] Yeah.

[741] That's sad.

[742] That's sad.

[743] And he got deported.

[744] So I feel bad for Simon.

[745] Oh, did he?

[746] Yeah.

[747] Back to Czech Republic.

[748] I said.

[749] get out what happened well he was here in some kind of visa he had a job and basically like it wasn't good enough and they said you know get out wow yeah and he's overseas in prague or near prague the conversation that i had yesterday with francis and gano about escaping cameroon making his way to morocco and being arrested seven times trying to escape morocco and go to spain oh because that little piece of land that's technically europe in the north of spain Yeah, north of Africa.

[750] They would take them after they arrest them.

[751] They would hold them, and then they would bring them to the fucking Sahara Desert and drop them off.

[752] And they did that to him seven times.

[753] They literally try to kill them.

[754] They'd try to drop them off in the desert, no food, no water, no nothing, no clothes.

[755] They did it in the winter.

[756] They did it in the summer.

[757] In the winter, it's horrific because the temperature drops to an insane level.

[758] And they have no transportation.

[759] They're nowhere to go.

[760] And these Africans are doing this on a daily basis.

[761] basis, making this journey from whatever country they're in in Africa to try to make it to Europe.

[762] And he did it over the course of 14 months.

[763] And he outlined this 14 -month journey of homelessness, living in the forest.

[764] Dude, it was fucking crazy.

[765] Do you know about Eritrea, which is southern Ethiopia?

[766] So the only reason that came across my desk is there was an article and it said, this is the only country where journalists are less free than in North Korea.

[767] I'm like, whoa, whoa, I'm getting the silver now.

[768] And what they did is they took the journalists, put them in steel cages, and left them in the desert.

[769] Bye.

[770] And it's, it's, no one knows about this place.

[771] What's amazing about Eritrea is, they took the journalists and put them in steel cages and just left them in the desert to die.

[772] But the capital of Eritrea, when Mussolini took over Ethiopia, it's a perfectly preserved Italian city.

[773] So there's this like fiat factory that they convert into like a museum.

[774] So when you're in the capital, Asmara, you're like in.

[775] the Riviera, whatever, some European city.

[776] And as soon as you step out, it's hell on earth.

[777] Holy shit.

[778] But North Korea overtook them, took back the lead of worst country for journalists.

[779] But it's a fascinating country that no one knows about, and the oppression there is absolutely insane.

[780] How many journalists have they killed?

[781] I have no idea.

[782] This wasn't recently.

[783] This was a while ago.

[784] And it's the only country, I think, with no foreign journalists in it.

[785] The thing that drives me crazy, and I know you agree, is that there's so many people who, like, read the New York Times or the New Yorker and they think they know everything about the world because they just read the same publication everybody else does where there's so many places that are so barbaric like Turkmenistan whatever that it doesn't cross your desk so you don't even think it exists or it matters it's like well I'm sure I would have heard of it it's like no no no it just isn't sexy enough for someone to cover and these people are basically resigned to having a nightmare existence not that necessarily we could do anything an individual level and it's just horrible yeah there's a lot of them and the unfortunate thing is there's too many to really follow if you spent your day to day waking hours paying attention to all the atrocities they're being committed in the world you would never have time for anything else because they're constant like we're just we're we're just so accustomed to this life here this first world life that any deviation from that at all just seems horrific like anything that goes wrong in America seems like intolerable and horrific and a human rights violation and like this is the shining hope of the world and someone like you who's an immigrant can speak to this better than most you and someone also who has traveled to places like North Korea and who understands the world better than most this is the talk about this yeah this is the theme of my next book the white pill which is just talking about people don't know how bad it used to be and how close we came this country to falling in some very, very bad directions.

[786] And because it's the kind of thing where if you don't talk about it, we forget just what the past was.

[787] People in this country have no idea about Stalin.

[788] I'm writing a lot about him or the Berlin Wall the things that they did.

[789] It's just and you hear these, like I was just, I'm writing right now, there was this part.

[790] What Stalin would do is like he'd kill parents, right?

[791] Because they were traitors or whatever.

[792] That kid who was left behind, who now lost their parents, boy or girl, whatever, everyone knew if I helped that kid my family's under suspicion why are you helping the child of these traitors oh were you colluding with them in the past because they're trying to find links so this poor kid is now a complete social outcast even family friends wouldn't even look at them even the children they were friends with wouldn't look at them and they'd fallen away in history no one I mean there's so many cases like this and Americans don't have any idea of what that's like we're completely oblivious how recent that was yes it's not even 100 years ago right right not even a hundred years ago, people were resorting to cannibalism with their own children.

[793] They were cannibalized their own children because they were starving to death.

[794] Thousands and thousands of people starve to death.

[795] They don't even know an accurate number of how many people starve to death under Stalin.

[796] Margot Honecker, who died, I think, in 2016, she was the head of education East Germany, and she had a concentration camp there for children, which ended in 89.

[797] That's not that long ago.

[798] We were watching shows in 89, you and I. And what they would do is they would institutionalize these kids to make them into good communists.

[799] So no singing, no humming, you know, and it would be the kind of thing where like there was this one survivor, she was suicidal because her stepdad kept raping her.

[800] While you're suicidal, you got institutionalized you, right?

[801] So they put them sometimes in solitary.

[802] And the thing is the people who were guardians in this place, they would sexually assault the kids with impunity and take them home.

[803] What else she would do is if parents were suspicious, under suspicion of the state, they take the kids and force good communist families to raise them.

[804] They would take newborns.

[805] And you would never see your kids again.

[806] And your kids were discouraged from trying to seek you.

[807] It's the levels of depravity that would happen in these countries, we are so oblivious to in America.

[808] And it's like, all right, if I have to be the one to kind of talk about this and we should treasure.

[809] People take so much for granted here.

[810] They don't know how bad.

[811] it can get.

[812] And this appeal to unchecked authoritarianism that you're hearing from the left today.

[813] Yeah.

[814] It speaks to the ignorance that people have to what happens when you have a government that has this sort of just unchecked, unstopped, righteous power.

[815] It's for your own good.

[816] Yeah.

[817] We're saving those kids.

[818] I mean, people think that that's a huge leap.

[819] But, you You're literally seeing these sort of socialist, Marxist.

[820] I mean, socialists, when you think of socialists, you think of like the most charitable forms of it.

[821] Yeah, totalitarian.

[822] Yeah, totalitarian.

[823] You're seeing this sort of totalitarian.

[824] You know, we were talking before this podcast, and we need to find out if this is true.

[825] Melissa Chen told me today that you can't post your fat or someone's fat on Facebook without it being deleted.

[826] Yeah, let's look it up or should I just try it.

[827] Yeah, let's try it.

[828] Let's just try it.

[829] Or you might get your account closed down.

[830] Do you use that?

[831] Yeah, fuck Facebook.

[832] Do you use Facebook?

[833] No, I'm off it.

[834] I'm on Locals now.

[835] What is Locals?

[836] So Locals, the first one they recruited was Bridget Fetacee, who's the best, and I think she walks in water.

[837] I was the second one, so it's malice .com.

[838] She's fetus .com.

[839] And it's a mix of Patreon and Facebook.

[840] So you chip in for someone you like, and then you have a community.

[841] And people come to my community.

[842] They post rainbows.

[843] here's the sunset here's my niece here's a dog who created this a Rubin here's an article and the thing that's great is back in the day on facebook when you posted a photo of like your kid the comments wouldn't be your high school friends saying i hope you get COVID and wishing for your death so that's kind of the locals thing it's very positive and it's what facebook used to be so it's we've got 20 ,000 people in there and mine post it on someone's page is that what it would be i think if you posted even on your own page if you say mom fat No, just put at Michael Malice, you are fat.

[844] Yeah.

[845] Michael Malice is such a fat fuck.

[846] Yeah.

[847] We were saying, like, we should say it about Tony.

[848] Someone where it's so obvious that it's not true.

[849] And also Tony Hinchcliffe, who's like the best roaster in the country, he's like, he's used to saying insults.

[850] I wonder if you can say, you fat fuck.

[851] I'm 99 % positive.

[852] It was Melissa Chen who sent me this.

[853] I'm going to check on that right now real quick.

[854] I'm going to post it and shall I give it five minutes to see what happens.

[855] Yeah, so Melissa just sent it to me That's what I'm about to post right there Your comment No, at Michael Malice, at me That's you It's tagged that way Okay, got it Michael Malice, you're fat Okay Oh, this on Facebook I thought it was on Twitter I'm not okay Yeah, you said to put it on Facebook Facebook Okay, got it Yeah I've posted on here in years Okay, let's see Ooh, it says Michael Malice You're fat Interesting I took the tag off though Oh I don't know what that means Because I'm not his friend But maybe I don't know Maybe he doesn't want People to know I don't know.

[856] I'll be refreshed in a minute and let you know what happens.

[857] Melissa said on Facebook now you can't call anyone even yourself fat.

[858] They're policing anti -fat speech in real time.

[859] She said, I tried it myself and got banned for 24 hours.

[860] Wow, that fat bitch.

[861] She is a fat bitch, too.

[862] Melissa weighs 82 pounds maybe.

[863] Got to get those numbers down.

[864] But this is chilling because, like, The idea that a bunch of people who are these woke leftists that are in charge of these platforms think that they should be able to police speech to the point where you can stop someone from joking around about someone being fat.

[865] Or someone just saying someone's fat.

[866] Like, let's talk about sumo wrestlers.

[867] Like, it's not healthy to be as fat as fill in the blank with a sumo wrestler's name.

[868] You mean, Melissa.

[869] I talk about this in my book.

[870] then you write, and this is why it's very dangerous what they're doing.

[871] There's shows like Top Chef or Project Runway, where you have talented people, but they're working under artificial constraints, right?

[872] So it's like make a monkfish dish, but for kids.

[873] It's a lot hard that make monkfish taste good.

[874] Every chef knows how to do that.

[875] So when you eliminate certain words, that forces people who want to be making fun of fat people or racist or homophobic to be creative.

[876] So instead of using the N -word, they were like, okay, let's just refer to outdated farm equipment for black people.

[877] Is that really better for anybody?

[878] No. But so when you say you can't say fat, you're going to call someone a ham beast or a ham planet.

[879] Like that is much more hurtful than, in my opinion, not that I'm fat, although I feel it.

[880] Do you feel fat right now?

[881] Well, I'm on a bulk.

[882] You don't feel pretty?

[883] My cum gutters aren't back in yet.

[884] What happened?

[885] I got on a bulk.

[886] A bulk?

[887] Yeah.

[888] What does that mean?

[889] You know what.

[890] You were talking about Mr. Libby.

[891] You tell me what it means, because are you a bodybuilder?

[892] I'm trying to get into good shape, into great shape.

[893] And who told you you should get fat to do that?

[894] My coach is Jenae Marie Kroc.

[895] She was a world champion powerlifter.

[896] Oh, okay.

[897] If you want to look good, don't listen to powerlifters.

[898] They're going to turn you into a gorilla.

[899] Gorillas look good.

[900] I'm going to be a silverbacker.

[901] But they all have big bellies.

[902] No, no, no. I'm not.

[903] A lot of powerlifters have very large, bulky chests.

[904] I put on a certain amount of mass, and now I'm cutting down.

[905] So you have like a legit trainer that's...

[906] Well, she's a coach.

[907] How long have you been doing this?

[908] like a well I'll show you how I was in last I'll show you you're gonna be shocked your contrarian phone with your you're gonna be shocked how rip that was and this was then COVID hit yeah where is this you don't have any home equipment no no no no I'm in Brooklyn we don't have that so it was rough and now I'm getting back to where I was last year but with more mass and it doesn't look great and it's for some big project too which I can't you got a project Are you going to be a bodybuilder?

[909] Are you going to enter a tournament?

[910] I'm not going to be a bodybuilder show or that board shorts thing.

[911] Yeah, the board shorts is you, dude.

[912] Look, look at this.

[913] This was me in April.

[914] Wow.

[915] Dude, you were shredded.

[916] Thank you.

[917] Thank you.

[918] Yeah, man. That's impressive.

[919] That's impressive stuff.

[920] What did you do to get that shredded?

[921] You got to eat like you got to eat the same thing every day.

[922] You got to eat at a deficit.

[923] It's a whole fucking process.

[924] It sounds like no fun.

[925] Nothing tastes as good as being thin feels.

[926] Nothing is as fun as having cum gutters, yeah Come gutters, you like those?

[927] I didn't realize what the term meant when I started popularizing it And now I realize what it means And I've gone too far and I can't go back And I'm on this train Exactly So I didn't understand Whose cum was going where Oh, you thought it's your own cum?

[928] I didn't know where the comes Other dudes come No, it is your come Oh, okay Because you're getting fucked And you're coming on yourself Oh, so you're getting fucked in the ass And I made a mistake During that, you're beating off or something?

[929] No, I think you're having your orgasm.

[930] While you're getting fucked in the ass, someone's lying to you.

[931] Okay, I don't know about the dynamics.

[932] You think that's how you, a man comes?

[933] Don't someone have to touch your penis?

[934] I don't know, Jamie?

[935] I think you just gay shamed him.

[936] Am I going to be banned from Facebook?

[937] Yeah, I think you'll be banned from friends now, or whatever the fuck you're on.

[938] Locals.

[939] Locals, whatever.

[940] Yeah, with Bridget.

[941] I had an idea.

[942] okay and I wanted I've been on this phone too much but I had this idea okay okay because I think your audience would like this a lot okay when we were kids we used to do prank phone calls right you can't do that anymore right because the call ID whatever I had the idea to do a reverse prank phone call which means to text someone while I'm here and say I'm sorry for what I said about you on Joe Rogan and watch the reaction like people who are friends of ours and just see if they flip out you're a mischievous little man what is why do you enjoy doing that for such an intelligent person look how happy he gets you get so happy hey some people are into bird watching right okay people are into weird stuff some guys like collecting coins I don't get it who the fuck wants to collect pennies some people like just being mischievous look how red you are you have a coin it's a worry coin worry coin what is that mean you hold it and whenever you're worried you can play with it and if it wears down over time so every time you worry you can think about the last time you're worried that's from j l lawson and be like oh what is it saying oh i can't read it says worrying is a debt you i don't remember what it says what it's say let me see i'll read it it's and there's a part for your thumb you can hold it part so you when you're worrying you rub it yeah worrying is like paying a debt you don't owe.

[943] So yeah, and it's good for the jeans to give them good fades.

[944] Oh, so you put them in your back pocket and sit on them and it sort of scrunches it up a little bit there.

[945] You don't like mischief?

[946] Mischief?

[947] Like what kind of mischief?

[948] Like what we're just talking about?

[949] No, I don't do that kind of stuff.

[950] Really?

[951] No. Why isn't it fun for you?

[952] I don't know.

[953] Like, there's certain pranks aren't fun for me. Like, trolling is not fun for me?

[954] How is it not?

[955] I don't do any of that stuff.

[956] It's such a source of.

[957] joy.

[958] I get it that it's a source of joy for you.

[959] It has zero appeal to me. To me, it's like cricket.

[960] When people play cricket, like, I watch it.

[961] I'm like, I don't get it.

[962] I keep moving.

[963] But you're a comedian.

[964] Yeah.

[965] You appreciate all forms of comedy.

[966] I love comedy.

[967] I love jokes.

[968] But I don't like pranks and mischief and that kind of shit.

[969] Just doesn't do it for me. It's such a motivator for me. It's hard to understand how you don't find it funny.

[970] I don't know.

[971] Do you think it's funny, startling people?

[972] Sometimes that's funny.

[973] That's funny, right?

[974] Because the reaction at this before.

[975] Sometimes that's funny.

[976] Like my friend Steph, whenever she's at my house, I'm waiting behind the bathroom door.

[977] And I startle her.

[978] When people fall down and they don't really get badly hurt, that's funny.

[979] It's funny when they're not moving.

[980] Well, have you seen the Tom Seguro video?

[981] No. Tom Segura went to dunk, and when he was running to dunk, he blew out his Patelotendon and then landed because his leg completely gave out, landed on his arm, shattered his arm.

[982] So compound fracture of his arm, blown out Patelotendant on one thing, and he's lying there making noises like someone's filling his cum gutters.

[983] The grape lady.

[984] He's like, watch this video.

[985] He's getting better now.

[986] Watch this.

[987] Bang.

[988] See, you think that's way too funny.

[989] Do you remember the grape lady?

[990] Shattered.

[991] You're okay?

[992] Is it okay?

[993] He's arm.

[994] He's arm.

[995] Jamie, pull up grape lady takes a fall.

[996] Do you remember this?

[997] No, I don't want to see this.

[998] Don't want to see this?

[999] Did she die?

[1000] No, she didn't die.

[1001] It was the same thing, but like it was like in the first YouTube videos.

[1002] That's how the Atkins guy died.

[1003] What Alkins guy?

[1004] Guy who came up with the Atkins diet?

[1005] Dr. Atkins?

[1006] Yeah, it fell.

[1007] What do you mean?

[1008] Fell.

[1009] He fell and hit his head.

[1010] What, you don't think that's funny at all?

[1011] with Tom's a girl yeah the only reason why I think it's funny is because Tom lived of course and uh his injuries don't appear to well they might have some long -term damage the no the noises he makes are quite humorous there's a big difference between that and what was it Anderson Silva breaking his leg that is not funny that was hard yeah looking at that you're like this shouldn't this should not happen biologically seen that twice in person what do you mean you've seen someone else had different guys yeah yeah A dude named, I believe his name was Corey Hill, he broke his shin, same way.

[1012] Threw a kick, got checked the kick, his knee snapped, or his shin snapped, rather.

[1013] I went twice.

[1014] That time was worse because the referee didn't realize what had happened.

[1015] And I actually had a scream, stop the fight, stop the fight.

[1016] I jumped up and threw my headsets down.

[1017] I was yelling, stop the fight, stop the fight.

[1018] The referee was in a bad position and didn't see.

[1019] and then when he went down, his leg straightened out again.

[1020] Like, the referee didn't understand what had gone on.

[1021] Like, sometimes, like, a guy's back will be to you and, like, someone will throw a strike, and then the guy's down, and the other guy's on them, and you're behind him, and the referee doesn't exactly know what's going on.

[1022] So we had a different angle than the referee did.

[1023] Oh, my God, that's very disturbing.

[1024] It's a bad break, man. I've seen it happen on television a couple of times with great fighters to do, like Tyrone Spong versus Gokon Saki, is a high -level kicker.

[1025] boxing fight, which it really rarely happens in high -level kickboxing, but he threw a kick and Socky checked it and snapped Tyron's shin.

[1026] Were they okay?

[1027] You're never okay after that.

[1028] Yeah, right, because it's a lot of things are going.

[1029] And also the PTSD, and not to use that term loosely, but it's going to mess you up.

[1030] It's going to mess you up.

[1031] You know, like you, I've broken bones before.

[1032] You get used to the fact that they're healed, but I think that there's something about having a plate in your shin.

[1033] Leg bones are just different, man. Your connection with them is different.

[1034] You know, leg injuries are, like, you hurt your knee.

[1035] It's not just the fact that it's your mode of transportation and you walk on your knees.

[1036] There's a difference in the, like, the, there's a significance to that kind of an injury where you know, like, this is scary because this is, this is, now you can't walk.

[1037] Like, your head knows, your mind knows.

[1038] Like, if you hurt your arm, even if it's a bad break, like, you're like, shit, I fuck my arm up.

[1039] You don't think about the same way as I fucked my arm up.

[1040] knee up or I fuck my shin up like because it's like oh your mind knows like this is how people died 10 ,000 years ago yeah yeah right exactly yeah your brain knows that so when you see a leg injury a knee injury it's terrifying the scariest submission guys are all knee lockers they're all guys who go after heel hooks and leg locks it's not like big out of Russia isn't that a thing there was yeah a lot of them that was early in the UFC like Oleg Taktarov was one of the very early UFC champions and you're my I don't think he was ever a UFC champion what Oleg won.

[1041] I think he won a tournament before let's see what Oleg's credentials were but Oleg's leg locks he was a Samba champion and his or at least a high level Samba competitor and his leg locks were early on in the UFC one of the the first examples What is he?

[1042] Yeah, so he won the tournament winner.

[1043] That's no joke.

[1044] Yeah.

[1045] Oh, Oleg was a beast.

[1046] Oleg was a beast.

[1047] Now he's an actor.

[1048] Yeah, he does a lot of acting.

[1049] I've seen him in a lot of different movies.

[1050] He's a great guy.

[1051] I worked out with him once way back in the day and got a chance to talk to him.

[1052] This was like when he was done fighting.

[1053] He is a very smart, very interesting guy.

[1054] And again, one of the first guys to use leg locks in MMA competition, like at a high level.

[1055] Do you know about looks maxing?

[1056] Looks maxing?

[1057] What's that mean?

[1058] So there are these, you know how like when a bone heals it gets thicker and harder?

[1059] So there are all these forums for dudes who can't get laid.

[1060] And they're trying to scientifically deduce what makes people good looking.

[1061] And one of the things they...

[1062] Oh, looks maxing out.

[1063] Okay.

[1064] So one thing they do, they'll take bottles along their cheekbones to try to get them to be thicker.

[1065] What?

[1066] I think it's called mewing.

[1067] The guy's name is Jason Mu.

[1068] I heard the second hand.

[1069] different.

[1070] Mewing is a thing from Jason Mew that you're, it's about putting your jaw, yeah, it's about putting your tongue against the roof of your jaw and like making a noise like pushes your jaw forward and strengthens those muscles and it actually can supposedly change the look of your face.

[1071] Well, they're in a more extreme level where they take the bottle and rub it along here.

[1072] And you're supposed to have predator eyes and not prey eyes.

[1073] Well, I guess that's got to be better than people they're shoving filler in their face.

[1074] All right.

[1075] That shit's bananas.

[1076] I saw that where a guy was, uh, he was on Instagram.

[1077] He did, uh, I think they were calling it like facial maximalization filler or masculization filler.

[1078] And they were shoving a very narrow jaw.

[1079] Okay.

[1080] So they were shoving filler into the sides of his face to make his face stick out more.

[1081] So he'd have like this little thin ass bone in there.

[1082] But then on each side, He'd have, you know, an inch or so of this weird, like, butt implant tissue.

[1083] It's hard to say, because here's the thing.

[1084] Things that look good in photos often don't look good when they're moving.

[1085] Yeah.

[1086] When you see, so like you ever seen a woman who has filler on her face, it's ghoulish.

[1087] Like, I was super duper high once, and I was at the improv, and I was watching, I was sitting, getting ready to go on stage, and the old Joan River show was on.

[1088] Oh.

[1089] with Joan and her daughter.

[1090] Like, they're not old, but, you know, it was, they had a reality show.

[1091] Right, yeah, yeah.

[1092] And I was watching Joan's face and it's just barbecued out of my fucking head and watching her face going, oh my God, what has she done?

[1093] Because she looked so inhuman, weird.

[1094] Yeah.

[1095] So rubber.

[1096] I mean, you could see all the filler that she had gotten injected in her face.

[1097] She didn't look like a person anymore.

[1098] She looked like this.

[1099] bizarre mask, like a rubber mask.

[1100] They think that when they get like the lines removed, they look younger, but it's like you don't look younger, you just look inhuman who's older.

[1101] Yeah, you just don't have lines, but now you look like a rubber person.

[1102] Yeah, because the kids have the collagen.

[1103] That's what's keeping them looking as certain way.

[1104] When the collagen moves, this doesn't move.

[1105] There's ways to get collagen that are better.

[1106] You know, you could, like one of the ways is a facial cryotherapy is a way to enhance the collagen your skin.

[1107] But another thing is just to accept the fact you're fucking dying.

[1108] Okay?

[1109] Listen, it is what it is.

[1110] It's for whatever reason for me, it's more sad when I see men with it.

[1111] When I see men with filler or men with Botox where they can't do this anymore, they can't raise their eyebrows, that's crazy.

[1112] But it's also like, who are you fooling?

[1113] Like, our eyes have been evolved for how long to pick up on little things.

[1114] And we don't see those little things subconsciously.

[1115] We realize something's unnatural.

[1116] Well, you know, the Fibonacci sequence in a person's, face, too.

[1117] Really?

[1118] Yeah, yeah, yeah, the ratios of the size of the nose.

[1119] Like, if you see someone like Ari Shafir, right, who has a naturally very Jewish face, very large, if Ari all of a sudden had this tiny little nose, he'd be like, right, of course.

[1120] What the fuck is going on?

[1121] It wouldn't, it wouldn't register with his face, you know?

[1122] Yeah.

[1123] I'm trying to imagine what that would look like.

[1124] But I have to say, some, I've seen some women get nose.

[1125] jobs and it is pretty amazing the results that they've achieved like they they they can like I saw this one woman that had this big ass hook nose and uh she got it shaved down and it was crazy like she went from being this girl with a very unfortunate nose to being stunning yeah you know and I don't think anything wrong with that I think like you know if you don't like your nose and there's a doctor that can fix your nose and now you have a nose that doesn't look horrendous looks like everybody else's nose, hey, I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but I think there's a big difference between that and being a 70 -year -old lady with rubber in your face to the point where it literally looks like you get stung by a herd of bees.

[1126] Herd of bees?

[1127] No. Colony of bees?

[1128] What would you say?

[1129] Like, a large group of bees.

[1130] What would you call them?

[1131] I don't know.

[1132] A pack of bees?

[1133] Yeah, but that's like, the hive is the swarm.

[1134] It's a swarm.

[1135] It's a swarm of bees.

[1136] Yeah, I mean, they literally look like they're swollen.

[1137] Like, they got beastung.

[1138] I had a friend growing up FaceThing is a myth FYI Oh is it totally Jamie pulled it up This is like a professor of math Breaking down Golden ratio is supposed to be At the heart of many proportions Of the human body This include the shape Of the perfect face Also the right None of this is true Even remotely The body has many possible ratios It's just not the golden ratio Yeah but I think this is talking about The face A perfect face That's not exactly what I'm talking about What I'm talking about, see if you can find this, the ratio of a person's nose size in comparison to the rest of their face.

[1139] That's what this article is talking.

[1140] I mean, that's what he's saying.

[1141] You can, it's different for everyone.

[1142] I understand, but I think what he's saying in that article is they're talking about the perfect face.

[1143] And I do think that that, well, the problem with the perfect face is like, I like people that have weird faces.

[1144] Right.

[1145] Like I think Hillary Swank is like one of the most.

[1146] beautiful women ever.

[1147] Or like Olivia Wilde.

[1148] She's got a huge jaw.

[1149] Like in somebody else you could be like, okay, this looks like a man jaw, but she's amazing.

[1150] Which one's Olivia Wild?

[1151] You can pull it off.

[1152] She's very, she's some gorgeous.

[1153] But I think all those top models, they look a little bit off and that intrigues the eye.

[1154] It's like people who are multiracial.

[1155] It's just like you can't figure it out, so you're fascinated by their appearance.

[1156] Right.

[1157] But different people like, you know, like different characteristics too.

[1158] Like some, some people really love freckles.

[1159] Or like big eyebrows.

[1160] You know, Brooke Shields popularized that.

[1161] Before that, you would look like a man and then it's like no this can look really sexy on a on a chick have you seen girls getting freckles tattooed on their face no yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah are they really oh yeah definitely why would you want to be irish that's so crazy Jesus Christ just dress yourself in garbage um there's no there's no ratio of the size of your ears versus the size of your eyes there was a plastic surgeon that was discussing this there's got to be these these websites have to have it be selling you know marketing that to someone that's true well he was actually saying that this is the problem with plastic surgery he was he was explaining him and i think he was a guy who fixes if i remember it's a long time ago but if i remember correctly what he was saying is you have to be very careful because there is a a ratio and your mind recognizes it very very clearly like if someone wants to get a nose that's much too small for their face he will i think he was saying this is my memory on this is like super hazy but if uh i believe what he was saying like if you have a lump on your your nose or something like that, he'll fix that.

[1162] But if you have a face, like an Ari Shafir face, he's not going to give you a tiny little elf nose.

[1163] Yeah.

[1164] Someone really needs to Photoshop Ari with a little nose and see what it looks like.

[1165] That'll be really kind of interesting to see.

[1166] Well, his face is long, right?

[1167] Like his nose looks like a caricature.

[1168] He looks like it fits his face.

[1169] Yeah.

[1170] Yeah, right, because it's still going to be long, so it's It's going to look like Bert from Bert and Ernie.

[1171] He's got little eyes, too.

[1172] It's a situation going on there.

[1173] I got a new cartoon.

[1174] Can you pull up, tell me if you think it looks like me. Okay.

[1175] Pig TVSeries .com.

[1176] Are you the pig?

[1177] No, that's the vice president.

[1178] he's the other guy in the show.

[1179] That's supposed to be you?

[1180] You don't think it looks like me at all?

[1181] Let me see.

[1182] I guess a little.

[1183] What do you think, Jamie?

[1184] Kind of, but not really, right?

[1185] Well, I thought it looked good.

[1186] It's okay.

[1187] Tom, I felt bad for it because they made him look like he's both a baby and 80 years old.

[1188] You think he looks like he's 80?

[1189] He doesn't look young.

[1190] We're the same age, roughly, in real life.

[1191] Yeah, that's not good.

[1192] Yeah.

[1193] Felt bad for him.

[1194] And what is this?

[1195] So there was a series of books.

[1196] books, like a political correct guide to Constitution, guide to American history, from Regnery, so we licensed it.

[1197] It's just, like, remember the old Ricky Jervais show?

[1198] It's just us sitting around talking about different issues.

[1199] So the first one was the Constitution, we did one about communism, Woodrow Wilson, Russia, all this other stuff.

[1200] So I thought I looked good.

[1201] You look fine for a cartoon.

[1202] I made it a point that Tom would be in address as many episodes as possible because he's a square and he's got like five daughters.

[1203] So in the first episode, he's Velma.

[1204] when we're talking about Russia, he's Ayn Rand.

[1205] When we do the one about journalism, he's the weather girl for no reason.

[1206] How much time before you're not allowed to dress up like a woman if you're a man because you're culturally appropriating a trans woman?

[1207] Well, no, no, no, this is where you're wrong.

[1208] So the feminists, you're ready for this?

[1209] This is where it gets really intricate and interesting.

[1210] The feminists have been going after drag because they've been saying correctly, in my opinion, that drag is the same thing as.

[1211] blackface because you're dressing as a caricature of gender in that case black face people don't look like black people they look like a complete inhuman caricature drag queens do not look like women they are a complete caricature and the feminists are making this connection and it's kind of this low -key drama under the scenes wow yeah so they've been they've been uh and just recently ruPaul got in trouble because there's a trans man on this season of drag race born a female became a man. Rupal said we're not having that and changed your mind.

[1212] Why did Rupal say we're not having that?

[1213] Because he said it's not drag if you don't have a tuck.

[1214] Huh.

[1215] So you have to have a cock to be a drag queen?

[1216] Not anymore.

[1217] That changed just this last year.

[1218] Okay.

[1219] So this is a woman who became a man. Born a female, became a man. And now dress is like a woman.

[1220] Dress is like a drag queen which is not how women dress.

[1221] Oh boy.

[1222] Yeah.

[1223] She's a great makeup artist.

[1224] Okay.

[1225] I'm exhausted.

[1226] Wait, there's another one, which I think is brilliant.

[1227] Joey J. Who is a very effeminate straight dude.

[1228] Okay.

[1229] So he's male exhibiting feminine qualities.

[1230] Okay.

[1231] His drag character is a lipstick lesbian who is a woman exhibiting masculine qualities.

[1232] But that's smart.

[1233] Yes.

[1234] like people always read this stuff through like trans things but gender I when I grew up I was reading Camille Polly a too much maybe but this is such a thing in every culture in history what does it mean to be a man what does it mean to be a woman how do you signal masculinity how do you signal femininity have you ever heard of Douglas Murray talk about like what happens at the end of civilizations no I had him on my show recently he's the best I love that guy um he said that during the downfall of civilizations, they become obsessed with gender and gender bending and then dissolving the boundaries between genders and gender fluidity, and that exists the Greeks with the Romans and that, you know, men start dressing.

[1235] Polly, it talks about this a lot, too, yeah.

[1236] Yeah, this is, this is a thing.

[1237] It's part of Kaliuga.

[1238] It's a thing of the downfall of a civilization.

[1239] They're dying death throws.

[1240] They start, men start dressing up as women and people become obsessed with gender.

[1241] But I don't think that's what happened at the end of Nazism or at the end of the Soviet Union.

[1242] Well, that was different.

[1243] First of all, those were very abrupt changes.

[1244] Sure.

[1245] You were talking about societies that were dealing with totalitarian governments that were either overthrown or destroyed.

[1246] Or imploded, yeah.

[1247] Yeah, it's a little bit different, I think.

[1248] But it's a weird obsession that people have right now.

[1249] When you think about the numbers of people that have.

[1250] this situation where they're male but they identify as female or female that identifies male it's like unprecedented numbers yeah right and and it's also how everything has to be a lot of gender fluidity and all this other stuff I don't I have not I mean why do you would that go hand in hand I'm just trying to think out loud is it because there's less confidence in a culture to form dictates of how people should behave and once the elites lose that control it's just a matter of time.

[1251] You could say it that way.

[1252] I think, and this is very controversial, right?

[1253] But I think trans people, I think the situation is much like almost all situations involving human beings and unusual states.

[1254] I think some people clearly are just trans.

[1255] They got a shit roll the dice.

[1256] They should have been a woman.

[1257] They should have been a man. They were born in the wrong body.

[1258] then there is also when a culture puts a lot of social cred in shifting of genders and a culture rewards people for coming out as trans or coming out as non -binary.

[1259] Oh yeah, people respond to incentives.

[1260] Yes, they don't just respond to it.

[1261] They lean into it and it becomes their identity because it's a way that someone can achieve an unusual identity.

[1262] It's the only way for some of these people.

[1263] Yeah, and they also become a part of a protected class almost instantaneously, and they become special, almost instantaneously.

[1264] And the pushback against this is extraordinary, right?

[1265] Which is also one way where you can go, hmm, maybe something is going on here.

[1266] Like Abigail Schreier is a great example.

[1267] Her work.

[1268] Oh, that book with the FTAM, right?

[1269] Jesus Christ, people are going crazy about that book.

[1270] And so many people are so furious about her.

[1271] But if you listen to what she's actually saying and she pulls up the statistics, she's talking about more than a 1 ,000 percent increase in young girls coming out as trans over the past decade.

[1272] She's talking about the fact that there's these people that are 15 years old that are able to identify as trans, and in some states, they can self -identify and immediately get testosterone injections.

[1273] So they're going to be smarter and more logical.

[1274] And have accountability.

[1275] Son of a bitch.

[1276] They can decide they want surgery.

[1277] You know, I mean, these are, and they're doing it in clusters.

[1278] And this is what's scary.

[1279] I have a friend who is a famous person and this famous person has a daughter and the daughter is going to school with a group of kids and I think more than five of them have decided together that they're trans and these are social this is this cluster which is statistically impossible almost statistically extremely unlikely and very common at the same time this is what's crazy and then when you take into account this incredible reluctance to accept or even hear the voices of people that have a great deal of remorse for these decisions as they get older, like huge regret.

[1280] They've had their breasts removed, they can no longer have children, they can, they have all sorts of permanent effects because of testosterone injections, and then they've decided that it was an error.

[1281] and no one wants to take that new account it's either one or zero either you are trans or you are not no one wants to ever admit that human beings are malleable but here's the other thing is that you and i remember back in the day how common and i'm sure it is still eating disorders were which were a function of i hate my body yes now if you're being told at that age when you're a moron everyone who's 15 is a moron certainly myself included yes that because i have body dysmorphia my parents did it my grandparents did a huge number on me growing up and i will always have it and it's it's it's the thing um when back in day it's like i hate my body i'm going to starve myself or i'm going to force myself to throw up or give myself laxative so and so forth now if you're told if you feel that you hate your body you're actually trans it's very hard for someone at that age who doesn't know what it means to be a man who doesn't know what it means to be a woman to be given this outlet it's like okay instead of starving yourself you're going to go in hormones i'm not saying one is better the other but we really need to be careful about young people who feel uncomfortable in their skin because there's a lot of reasons for that to happen.

[1282] Yeah, there's a lot of reasons for young people to be uncomfortable.

[1283] And I remember there was a show call.

[1284] And then there's also, we have to acknowledge there's also people that are just trans.

[1285] Of course.

[1286] Both of those things are true.

[1287] And the thing is, you know when they're like three.

[1288] Sometimes.

[1289] Sometimes, yeah.

[1290] But you're like, okay, this little kid's going to grow up to be a girl.

[1291] Or gay.

[1292] That's the other thing is a lot of them just turn out to be gay if they don't have gender reassignment surgery or if they don't do anything about it.

[1293] And this is a friend of mine who's gay thinks it's homophobic.

[1294] You think a lot of this trans stuff is homophobic.

[1295] Well, J .K. Rowling had that whole thing.

[1296] She said this is basically gay reprogram.

[1297] It's trying to exterminate gay men.

[1298] And this is, what was it that Michelle Bachman used to do?

[1299] Like these, you would have these, they would basically condition them out, try to air quotes, cure them out of being gay.

[1300] It's like you're basically eliminating gay males as a class and saying if you're effeminate, you're not really in a feminine male.

[1301] You're really a female in a man's body.

[1302] and you're also rendering these people sterile.

[1303] So she had this huge tweet threat about this, and they came after her hook and nail.

[1304] And it's like the thing that being trans is about is about being an individual, right, supposedly.

[1305] So you can't as a group, say every single case has the same cause and effect and every single person is going to be happy with the outcome.

[1306] Exactly.

[1307] Because even if you are F2M trans, just because you take test doesn't mean you're going to like your body now.

[1308] Right.

[1309] Yeah.

[1310] Yeah.

[1311] And there's a real problem also that trans people have with anybody who's not trans, even discussing this.

[1312] Right.

[1313] You don't, and to be fair.

[1314] You're deviating from the orthodoxy.

[1315] Right.

[1316] Yeah.

[1317] It's a crazy moment in our culture for this.

[1318] So this is what's controversial about it.

[1319] The idea is that in times where there is a much easier society, culture is easier.

[1320] This is like the easiest people have ever had it.

[1321] Easiest way to get food.

[1322] easiest way to get medical care, easiest way to be safe, easiest way to be protected, less violence than we've ever experienced before.

[1323] And in the absence of all these very common threats and common hugely significant problems that people have faced throughout history, people find things to concentrate on.

[1324] And they find things to obsess about.

[1325] And they find things to identify with.

[1326] And they find things to fill their life up with meaning.

[1327] And that this is why, at the end of civilization, where it's usually in excess.

[1328] Like, if we think of the end of the Roman Empire, what do we think of?

[1329] We think of people, you know, a lot of pedophilia, a lot of excess and food and drink and chaos and a lot of debauchery, right?

[1330] That's what we think of when we think of the end of the Roman Empire.

[1331] And that is when, according to Douglas Murray, they start experiencing all this stuff with genders.

[1332] Now, I don't think there's anybody that's looking at America right now and saying, we're doing great.

[1333] everything's perfect.

[1334] There's no issues at all.

[1335] We're definitely not on the verge of falling apart.

[1336] You know, we're clearly.

[1337] This is fine.

[1338] Yeah.

[1339] If we were a hedge fund and we were banking on America, we'd be shorting.

[1340] We'd be like, oh, this motherfucker is not going to make it.

[1341] I'm very, very concerned about the future of this country as someone who's been the first one advocating for a national divorce because the left has historically been very good about this.

[1342] What do you mean by national divorce?

[1343] Separating America out, break it up.

[1344] Two states?

[1345] Or at least two, yeah.

[1346] Two countries, yeah.

[1347] Really?

[1348] Oh, yeah.

[1349] It's past two.

[1350] We've never had one culture in this country since the beginning.

[1351] Do you think we would go to war with each other if we did that, though?

[1352] No, I don't think we have to.

[1353] I think war is almost always a choice.

[1354] But if we went separate, but the problem is, do we have, like, geological locations?

[1355] Like, how are you going to separate the country if you have the New York area and California that are on the same page?

[1356] It might be five or six countries.

[1357] then no divorce is simple oh god but i mean yes you're also i should tell everybody you also don't believe in cops i like i believe that they're real that's true i don't believe in cops yeah i don't believe in government monopoly of cops oh okay yeah so you believe in private security forces of course security is a need that we all have and because the government has decided to give a monopoly it's less that left us all unsafe that's interesting I think the same problem we have with education, we have with law enforcement.

[1358] Because they're both government monopolies, yeah.

[1359] Yeah, well, also, they're not respected.

[1360] They're not paid enough.

[1361] They're not paid enough.

[1362] How much should teachers be paid?

[1363] A lot more.

[1364] No, you can't write more on the check.

[1365] I think you should be very, well, I mean, I'm not an economist.

[1366] I'd have to sit down and think about it.

[1367] But I think that it's one of the most significant jobs that we have is training children, how to think, teaching them about history, teaching them about life, and making it entertaining and engaging in a way that's going to excite their minds.

[1368] Government schools are about teaching children not to think.

[1369] They're about teaching children to be obedient and submissive and to have your self -esteem be a function of that mediocre person in the front of the room.

[1370] Yes.

[1371] And the fact that we all have to learn at the same pace, which is deranged.

[1372] Deranged.

[1373] The fact that you have to get along with people under gunpoint, whereas nowhere in life are you trapped in.

[1374] relationship like this, like in schools.

[1375] It's tantamount to child abuse.

[1376] Government schools are literal prisons for children and the only place many people encounter violence in their lives.

[1377] It's a horrible German model and it's got to be, and thankfully, increasingly states are having a program where the money follows the student instead of following the location.

[1378] And they're also conditioning children to get ready to do jobs that you don't want to do for the rest of your life because this is life.

[1379] Right, which is a horrible message for kids.

[1380] It's a horrible message.

[1381] And it's a message that my 12 -year -old is really, like, synced up with lately.

[1382] Like, not in the sense of she agrees with it.

[1383] She's furious about it.

[1384] She's like what they teach in school, and she goes to a very good school.

[1385] But she's like, what they teach in school, the problem with the whole idea of schools, like, there's this thing that some of these teachers get in your head that you're going to have to get a job and you're going to have to do things you don't want.

[1386] And this is how you pay your bills.

[1387] and this is going to be your career.

[1388] And she's like, but there's no talk of pursuing a dream.

[1389] Yes.

[1390] There's no talk of living life in an extraordinary, unusual, but difficult to attain way.

[1391] There's no talk of that.

[1392] That talk is nonsense.

[1393] And you're talking crazy.

[1394] You're frivolous.

[1395] You're not going to ever make it.

[1396] You're going to starve to death.

[1397] You're a danger to the other students for putting bad ideas in their heads, for daring up to hope.

[1398] You want to be a what?

[1399] An artist?

[1400] The fuck out of here.

[1401] There's no artists out there.

[1402] making a living.

[1403] People a lot of times ask me for advice about being an author, right?

[1404] And I tell them, go to, this is the advice I always give, go to any bookstore, look around all the shelves, look at all those shitty, shitty books.

[1405] That could be you.

[1406] You could be, you don't have to be Steinbeck.

[1407] You could be that shitty author who everyone's friends are like, how did this guy get a book deal?

[1408] This book is shit, literal shit.

[1409] But when you put in those terms, there's plenty of comedians who aren't household names who pay their rent and are living their dreams.

[1410] And And are...

[1411] Not right now.

[1412] Fair.

[1413] That's fair.

[1414] Right now, those motherfuckers are all driving Uber Eats.

[1415] Sure, but a year ago.

[1416] Or no, but they're making YouTube videos.

[1417] They're an Instagram.

[1418] Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a thing.

[1419] So artists are innovative.

[1420] They find ways out of the situation.

[1421] So that is, it's, it's, I despise every aspect of it from, from root to tail.

[1422] It's just horrible.

[1423] I do too.

[1424] I just think that the system, like, I agree.

[1425] And this is by design.

[1426] not an accident yes it was taking it back to like the rockefellers horace man went over to germany and so what the prussians were doing to turn children into good prussian soldiers and when they talk about socializing kids that's what they mean getting them ready to be cogs in some corporate machine it's it's atrocious what they do these kids yeah and you ever meet homeschooled kids i used to buy the propaganda i thought if i meet a homeschool kid they're all going to be weird and freaky they have self -confidence they're not scared of adults uh they have a sense of humor they believe in Jesus.

[1427] They want to learn things.

[1428] You know what I mean?

[1429] Because they learn by doing.

[1430] They don't have to learn the same speed as the slowest kid in the class.

[1431] And if you are the slowest kid in the class, you should get individual attention.

[1432] You shouldn't feel dumb because everyone's fast on you because maybe you have dyslexia or maybe you're just slow.

[1433] But that's okay.

[1434] Yeah, there's a good argument for that.

[1435] But there's also an argument that socialization is one of the most important things that a kid learns when they're in school is they learn how to deal with other people.

[1436] They learn manipulative kids.

[1437] They learn the pain sting of insults.

[1438] They learn about being bullied or about being a bully.

[1439] They learn group think.

[1440] They learn what happens when you step outside of group think.

[1441] They learn what happens if you question a teacher.

[1442] They learn the weird dynamic between adults and children.

[1443] When you realize that this adult that's teaching you is kind of a fucking loser.

[1444] Sometimes that happens with kids.

[1445] Yes.

[1446] And that's another thing that me and the 12 -year -old have had conversations with where she's like, you know look there's these people that I don't want their life in any way shape or form I don't like the way they talk to people I don't like the way they think you know and and she she's seen it's hard to understand what they say because they're all up on the cross you can't deny the benefit of exposure to shitty people because there's a benefit to that there's a benefit for in a child's education it's not something you want to live with as an adult but I think for a child when they're experiencing certain types of shitty behavior it's actually good for them socially I agree to a point.

[1447] One of the things I'm very blessed with, and I think you are too in your life, I am not under the thumb of some mediocre person.

[1448] Yes.

[1449] And I think when you're young and you don't know who you are and you don't have that strength, to have a year where this shitty person has so much power of your life fucks kids up.

[1450] It does, yeah.

[1451] And it'll fuck them up for a long time because it's hard to realize, oh, it was them and not you when they're the adult and you're the kids.

[1452] So by default, you're going to think the adult has to figure it out, and I'm wrong.

[1453] Well, I think it's also, if you get accustomed to that, then you get accustomed to that being your boss next.

[1454] Right.

[1455] You know, you have this shitty boss that has power over you.

[1456] Or your shitty wife or shitty husband.

[1457] Oh, yeah, that too, yeah.

[1458] Well, you know, there's a lot of people that they grew up with parents that were assholes and assholes to each other.

[1459] And then they go and seek that in a relationship.

[1460] They try to find that because that's what they find comforting.

[1461] I had a buddy of mine, Jack.

[1462] he just asked me for advice he's had this girlfriend for three years right um and he's just like she doesn't support me my um hobby uh she doesn't want what's his hobby he's like into fitness he's going to be competing uh i have people who are fitzbo because of my bi dysmorphia it's kind of what is explain me your body dysmorphia what is the body dysmorphia is when you have no i know what that is i mean what is yours well it's the same my version if it's the standard version of it It's just you do not see yourself rationally in the mirror and you have a distorted view of your own body.

[1463] Do you think you're fat?

[1464] Do you think your, what do you think?

[1465] Right.

[1466] No, I am in a goodish place.

[1467] But let me tell you what happened.

[1468] When I was a kid, every single day, every single day, I was told I'm too skinny.

[1469] When you hear that every day for years, two things happen.

[1470] One, you have a hostile relationship with your own body.

[1471] But two, you're also told this is something.

[1472] of crucial importance because if you're told every day as a kid you sing terribly you're going to think your voice sucks but you're also going to think it matters a lot and it's only last year that I realized it doesn't really matter what my body looks like I'm a dude so to have this kind of fixation but hold on you were just talking about your cum trails yeah because I'm proud of them but no one really cares I thought you say it doesn't matter what you look like because you're a dude right but that's the whole that's where the dysmorphia comes in my brain rationally realizes this doesn't matter but there's a part of my brain which has had this beaten into me that tells me this is important okay let me correct you here okay it is important to have calm gutters yes what you did in achieving that physique is impressive and it's not important it is if you want a lady that's very excited about your body and you take your shirt off and she sees those abs and she's like ooh she gets thrilled and excited by your body that's worth the effort it's a very difficult thing to achieve because it's difficult to achieve she recognizes you as a man will but you're a man of focus you've figured out a way to get those abs and those cum gutters but it's not important 24 -7 listen stop rationalizing your gutt and get back to that cum gutter look i don't have a gutter look i don't have a gut you could do it i'll be back within two the way you said i don't have a gut you're so angry i don't like trolling i don't get the fun of trolling i never do pranks on people i'm joe rogan listen man it's worth it it's it's You said it best earlier The amount of This is the only show where I get triggered I'm on Lex I'm fucking running circles around that robot He doesn't know up from down by the time I'm done with it I'm a professional comedian I can't help find your weaknesses Okay Mr. Yeah That's not what comedian means Joe Of course it does You find flaws You find things that are irrational And you poke holes in them Are you going to tell me That it is of central importance To a dude's life that he has abs central importance is a that's that's an unusual term to use in this because that's not what I'm saying it is significant the idea that's not important it's ridiculous of course it's important why is gyms open why do guys lift weights do they lift weights because girls hate it no they lift weights because girls love it that's why because it's the same reason why girls get boob jobs why do girls do squats all the time because guys love big juicy asses that's why they do it I just like to look good to dress.

[1473] What does that mean?

[1474] You like to look good to men.

[1475] You like them to be attracted because when they see your ass, there's a giant difference between an ass that's just there and a great ass.

[1476] The difference is, oh, there's a person.

[1477] And holy shit.

[1478] Look at her body.

[1479] Oh, my God.

[1480] The adoration.

[1481] The sheer attractiveness of a woman's physique.

[1482] It makes them get up at six before.

[1483] work and put that fucking barbell on and just fucking squat thinking about how much dick they're going to get how many guys are going to be excited about that ass because it's real because it works it really does have a giant impact on men's attention there's a big asymmetry i don't think women are obsessed with abs or cum gutters am i wrong i'm listening to you're lying yourself you're lying yourself you're fucking with me no i'm not fucking with you i was doing so good no you're not you're lying yourself women love guys with abs if they if you weren't around and they were talking about a guy with abs and they're like they hooked up with some guy and he's really nice and he's got a great job he's cool and we finally started fooling around he took a shirt off and oh my god you got to see his fucking body oh my god tell me about it tell me about it oh he has abs he has such a six -back he's so hot they get excited about it or i he took off his body looks like Leonardo DiCaprio when it's 40s.

[1484] He's got a fucking dad bod, but he's a nice guy, whatever.

[1485] There's a big difference between those things.

[1486] Big difference.

[1487] It's a big difference in a very specific context.

[1488] Yeah, sex.

[1489] Which is what everybody wants.

[1490] Everybody wants to be sexually attractive.

[1491] When we're talking about girls getting rubber lips and wearing fucking high heels and all this crazy shit, why are they doing that?

[1492] They're doing that because they want people to be more sexually attracted to them.

[1493] Women compete more on their looks and guys compete more on their status and who they are as men.

[1494] Right?

[1495] That does not in any way discount the looks factor.

[1496] I'm not saying it does discount.

[1497] But to say that men compete more in that, yeah, they do because that's a thing to do for men.

[1498] If a man has a nice body and he's broke and he's a loser, women are not attracted to them because he becomes a liability.

[1499] But if a man has a nice body and he's also successful, it's doubly attractive.

[1500] The idea that they're mutually exclusive is ridiculous.

[1501] I'm not saying they're mutually exclusive.

[1502] I'm just saying one is more important in one context than the other.

[1503] I think they're both important to women.

[1504] Okay.

[1505] Well, I think you want those cum gutters back.

[1506] I definitely did.

[1507] Oh, that's like that.

[1508] Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, no. This is the most important thing happening for me right now to get in the cum gutters back.

[1509] And here's something else about bi dysmorphia.

[1510] Okay.

[1511] I will look at that picture and think it's impossible for, for me to have that physique even though it's literally a picture of myself really that's how body that was a year ago less than a year ago yeah how much weight have you gained since then uh 30 pounds wow and now that I'm cutting down so what were you weighing in that photo like I'm I'm like 124 you were winning 124 when you get that lean you're going to be light as hell wow that's good did you feel like you could just fly like you just bounce around I felt very disturbed because when you're in clothes and you're that lean you just look scrawny yeah okay that makes sense because you're so tiny when I was competing back when I used to fight and I used to drop weight I used to feel so light I used to feel so fast I remember um when I only had one year where I could make 140 that was uh my seven when I was 17 my senior year at high school I made 140, and I couldn't do it anymore.

[1512] It was destroying me. My natural weight was about 155.

[1513] Oh, that's a lot of weight, 15 pounds.

[1514] It was horrible.

[1515] Not only was it horrible, but I was actually competing the day of a cut weight, so it was really bad.

[1516] So I won the state championships in 85 at 140 pounds, and then the next year I went up to 154, and I was so much better at 154.

[1517] Like, I won one year, but I kind of barely won.

[1518] You know, I won, but I didn't destroy anybody.

[1519] But then when I went up to 55...

[1520] Did you get the 80s newscaster pose I like to do.

[1521] Oh, these photos, Jamie's photos.

[1522] When I went up to 55, I was way, way better.

[1523] But even when I was 55, by the time I was 18 and 19, I was really weighing in the 60s and cutting weight down to 155.

[1524] Well, 55, 54, I forget what the weight class was.

[1525] But when I did that, I felt so light.

[1526] I remember feeling like I felt like I could move better.

[1527] Like, you literally weighed down by...

[1528] your body.

[1529] You don't think about that until you lose weight.

[1530] When you lose weight, like you have more of a spring in your step.

[1531] You have more energy.

[1532] You can do more stuff.

[1533] My other problem is my dad was the fat kid in school, like really, really fatty fat fat, you can't tell him that on Facebook now.

[1534] My mom was like thin.

[1535] She's still like 110 pounds.

[1536] So when I gain weight, I get much older looking and my face fills out.

[1537] And of course, the fans are very kind to tell me this in all the comments, like how he looks so old all of a sudden.

[1538] And then when I lose it, I get the triangle shape like my mom.

[1539] And it's like Benjamin Button.

[1540] so it's a it's a real fun situation being in the public eye so you're you're doing powerlifting with this lady no no she basically she's been like coaching me and my friend trey goff on a day -to -day basis week keep in touch but you say coaching yeah she's like this is what you should do just power lifting well no no she doesn't have me in a power listing program because i'm trying for strength what are you doing uh now i'm on a cut so it's just two day up or two day lower we're slowly lowering calories um to get back to so you want to get back to 125 yeah No, now it's going to be probably like 140.

[1541] How come?

[1542] Because I put on so much mass. Oh, because you bulked.

[1543] Yes.

[1544] So that was the plan.

[1545] The plan was to get thick.

[1546] Yes.

[1547] And then get cut at a heavier weight.

[1548] Yes.

[1549] And let me tell people listening to this.

[1550] If you say no pain, no gain, eating Subway every day for lunch, that's pain.

[1551] It was hell on earth.

[1552] Is that what you ate?

[1553] Yeah, because it's a thousand calories.

[1554] By Subway.

[1555] Because you get 80 grams of protein with the double meat and a thousand calories with the sandwich.

[1556] Do you know that they decided in other countries that's cake?

[1557] Yeah, because I want the calories, though, on my bulk.

[1558] Oh, and your bulk.

[1559] It was hard for me to get to that 3 ,500.

[1560] Oh, so it was painful to exaggerate your calorie count, to get a large calorie count, yeah.

[1561] And now I have sashimi for lunch and it's a lot better.

[1562] Why don't you just go with like shakes?

[1563] You can get like a lot of protein and calories.

[1564] A thousand calories.

[1565] A shake's going to have, that's going to be like 10 scoops or eight scoops.

[1566] I don't know.

[1567] I know that there's weight.

[1568] gain shakes though that people take yeah but that's literally like malto dextrain it's like powdered it's pure sugar like the weight gainers they're they're even worse for you than than uh and they do not digest well oh that you farted up a storm oh you're it's it's like it's like the weather patterns in there it's like you feel like the do do it's like time for close the factory and like there's just explosions it's a it's a bad scene i don't i think i've tried that stuff when i was young i don't remember when you get bloated i don't remember it.

[1569] I think I maybe even only tried it a couple of times, too.

[1570] I think I thought it was gross.

[1571] Naltodextran, I think that's what it is.

[1572] But I was doing, I mean, we're talking about in the 80s.

[1573] Like, I don't really remember the last time I took a bulking powder.

[1574] So I didn't take a bolting, I mean.

[1575] I mean, any of those.

[1576] I'm just thinking about those things.

[1577] Like, when I was talking about weight gain stuff.

[1578] Like, I don't.

[1579] But again, I have this by dysmorphia, it's a lot easier for me to kind of lean into it and put it in a healthy direction because I don't think I'm ever getting rid of it.

[1580] so when you were lifting weights are you lifting heavy yeah so this bulking thing yeah heavy for me I got to three plates and deadlift which is no joke that's not joke yeah yeah that's heavy yeah that's 305 no 315 yeah yeah that's a lot yeah so I was very proud of myself to get to that do you use a hex bar no I use the regular bar what do you like that better it's what I just follow orders Michael wolf said to do that and that's what I do wonder which one's heavier is the hex bar they must be this well hex bars has looks like as more metal but maybe thinner they're probably the same no it's gonna be not that much difference one's 45 what if the other one's 50 right right um i like hex bars just seems like a more natural deadlift position i realize i was told yesterday i was training with michael wall if he's a starting strength coach former starting strength coach uh he's like a beast i thought you have to scrape your shins so i was getting him nice and blood he goes no no no you just got to contact them you idiot and i'm just it's like cheese grater and I'm like yeah I'm bleeding every week and he's like no you don't want the blood you just want the contact well if you want to do moitai it's a good way to cover both bases oh yeah you beat up your shins do they take the bottles along the some guys do they bang things against their shins yeah my friend hans he uh he kicks poles and shit and does all kinds of weird shit with his uh his his shins like there's a lot of guys who are moitai guys that like just they're always beaten up their shins to create micro fracture.

[1581] Aren't the moitai guys like a lot crazier than the regular MMA guys?

[1582] No. The same?

[1583] No. I think MMA guys are the craziest.

[1584] Huh.

[1585] But there's also, look, one of the arguably the craziest is Lettwe.

[1586] Lettwe is a sort of moitai like.

[1587] They utilize a lot of moitai techniques but they do it bare knuckle and they use head butts and it's Myanmar and they do it over there and David Laduke who's a guy who's been on my podcast before he's like the king of Letwe and he's a wild fucker he's a vegan now which is really interesting he just fought as a vegan for the first time so I was talking Lex not the long ago Friedman do we want to do a show where we're all dressed like him like Lex yeah I tried to I fucked up though I know you did my my shit wasn't it wasn't cleaned and dry cleaned I thought it was I thought it was and I went to reach for it my wife's like no it's at the dry clean I'm like shit I wanted to shock Lex but I did shock him I wore it at dinner We went to dinner that night.

[1588] But no, there's ways you can dress like him that are inspired by him.

[1589] We had young Jamie, Lex, Alex, Alex, Alex Jones, and me at a steakhouse.

[1590] That was a fun time.

[1591] Tell me it wasn't a fun time.

[1592] I got a my own private three -hour podcast.

[1593] It was, yeah, it was fucking fun.

[1594] Very interesting conversation.

[1595] Yeah, I had Alex, I was on with Alex with on Tim Pool show a couple times.

[1596] Yeah, and I was basically the Alex Whisperer.

[1597] Because he says things that in inflammatory way.

[1598] That's not the word I want to use, but he's not saying things that are as crazy as he comes off.

[1599] Yeah, yeah.

[1600] That's what I've always said.

[1601] Alex is right about far more than he's wrong.

[1602] It's just the thing that he was wrong about was so egregious and people were so offended by it that they've used that as a thing to discredit everything that he says forever.

[1603] And that's crazy.

[1604] You can't do.

[1605] This is the problem with banning people.

[1606] from social media banning people from these platforms whether it's YouTube or whatever like you don't leave any room for redemption you don't leave any room for people to grow and learn well then you're not talking about humans because we all grow and learn I mean if you're if you're saying people don't ever change well you're fucking crazy this is crazy this is literally what being a human is about is about trial and error especially when you're young and also when you're having problems like Alex is a guy that's had these bouts of boozing like really heavy and you know had some kind of psychotic states and he's also had some really significant brain injuries like one of them when he was in high school he was in a fight and he was literally picked up a pile drived on his head on the concrete that's a thing oh yeah somebody in a fight picked him up and dumped him on his head and he was out and really fucked up like brain injury like severe head problems after that brain problems from brain injuries we were talking before the podcast about sam kinnison remember what sam kinnison was hit by a car changed who he is he used to be this like normal sort of quiet kid and then after he got hit by a car became a fucking wild man his brother details it in my brother sam the book uh same thing with rosan rosan talked about it on my podcast she was 15 years old she was going across a crosswalk person couldn't see her the son was in their eyes hit her in a car fucked her up she was in a mental health hospital she was in a psychiatric hospital for nine months after that nine months when she was out of her fucking mind couldn't count anymore she used to be a straight -A student and then became this wild impulsive person it has a direct impact on the way people behave and for this this world where we're supposed to be so kind and so open and so we're supposed to be so compassionate about people with injuries It's particularly traumatic brain injuries, why is it that when someone behaves crazy and we know that they've had a significant traumatic brain injury, we don't take that into consideration and we don't give them like love and acceptance and say, look, I know you're, you make mistakes sometimes.

[1607] People fuck up.

[1608] They do.

[1609] And especially people with brain injuries.

[1610] They fuck up.

[1611] How much is their fault?

[1612] Here's what's your fault if you don't ever change.

[1613] And now if you take someone off of social media, or you take someone off these platforms, you don't give them a chance to change.

[1614] You don't give them a chance to evolve.

[1615] Yeah, you're marginalizing them.

[1616] You're not just doing that.

[1617] And you're also disincentivizing people from helping them.

[1618] Yes.

[1619] Well, you're also punishing people for helping them.

[1620] And then on top of that, you set up this, you're setting up a monarchy.

[1621] You're setting up a totalitarian.

[1622] It's a cathedral.

[1623] Yeah, it's crazy.

[1624] And this is what we have now.

[1625] You know, oh, it's a private company.

[1626] They can do whatever they want.

[1627] At what point?

[1628] They can't do.

[1629] They can't discriminate against race.

[1630] They can't discriminate against gender.

[1631] So if you want to repeal those laws, then we can have a conversation.

[1632] Yeah, it's a good point, right?

[1633] Because they can discriminate politically.

[1634] Yeah.

[1635] Or they can discriminate against, like, what you'd find, like, offensive is a very subjective term.

[1636] If you say, I'm fat, I don't find that offensive.

[1637] It's just factual.

[1638] Some people, some people on Facebook find that offensive.

[1639] Is your Facebook still up?

[1640] Okay.

[1641] Like, we were talking to Melissa Chen or, you know, about Melissa Chen, and you were joking around saying she's fat.

[1642] I wasn't true.

[1643] Some people would think that that's...

[1644] Some people would think that that's offensive.

[1645] You and I do not think that's offensive.

[1646] And if you and I were running a social media platform, we wouldn't want to ban someone for saying what we've already said during this show.

[1647] There's something else that I think there's another side of this that people don't appreciate.

[1648] One of my idols is Polly Stirene.

[1649] She was the singer in the punk rock band X -ray Spex.

[1650] And her daughter just came out with a book about her.

[1651] And she was very...

[1652] She had bipolar, right?

[1653] Right.

[1654] And the thing is, when you have a bipolar mom, you go from someone who's very sweet and kind and so on and so forth to waking up in the middle of night screaming at you and throwing you down the stairs.

[1655] are the things you can say when you're in your throes of mental illness the cruelty yeah uh is you can never unring that bell and frankly i think all of us would rather get slapped or punched in the face than hear the evil coming out of someone you love meant to hurt you right yeah the idea that you know you shouldn't be afraid of a person who's 5 -1 i'm afraid of rats okay they're tiny well they carry bubonic plague well even if they didn't yeah they're running at you with a teeth out yeah they're No, a joke.

[1656] Mental health is a component that if these people with mental health problems are inconveniently following the wrong ideology, it's very easy to dismiss them.

[1657] Yeah.

[1658] You know, it's also, like the Alex Jones thing in particular, like if someone did and if someone looked at Alex's his work, like what he's actually shown to be true.

[1659] terms of actual real conspiracies.

[1660] Epstein, he was way ahead with that.

[1661] He told me about Epstein a fucking decade ago.

[1662] Like, he was, he was ahead of all this stuff.

[1663] He was talking about how they have these places where these elites go and they compromise them with underage girls and even in some cases underage boys.

[1664] And I remember thinking like, this sounds like crazy talk.

[1665] Like, meanwhile, he was right.

[1666] Like, look, they had a fucking island.

[1667] Is that corporate media will tell you there's no evidence.

[1668] for elite pedophilia.

[1669] Right.

[1670] No evidence.

[1671] And then on top of that, how about the fact that the guy dies in jail in the most preposterous of ways?

[1672] And you don't think there's maybe a conspiracy that someone murdered him in jail because he knew fucking slews of incredibly rich, powerful people and took them to this fucking island.

[1673] Factually, absolutely, provably true, impossible to deny.

[1674] Without a doubt had these fucking people on his island.

[1675] Without a doubt, compromised a lot of them.

[1676] You see that guy recently that he had to resign because it turned out he gave Epstein $150 million.

[1677] What?

[1678] Yeah.

[1679] I did not see that.

[1680] Pull up this this I believe he's a hedge fund guy who gave Epstein $150 million for no apparent reason and they're trying to figure out why there's a bunch of those guys man. He compromised a lot of fucking people.

[1681] This is something that Jones was telling me about forever.

[1682] Now if you looked at the world through your standard Wall Street Journal slash New York Times lens He gave Jeffrey Epstein money That's what I said Oh did you?

[1683] I thought you said he By the way around him sorry No that's what I said right I announced his retirement I gave Jeffsrey Epstein $150 million dollars Initially said he only gave him 10 did I say Jeffrey Epstein gave him I might have switched around I don't think you said I might have fucked it up I think but he previously said he only gave him 10 Look at that guy Tell me that guy isn't out there banging pussy I don't think it's pussy You think it's boys I think it's cum gutters maybe but I could see that fell up being compromised look he's not a good looking guy that's always going to be his headline it is now we just put him on blast yeah but I mean what I was saying is it's not like the headlines like hedge fund manager it's going to be hedge fund manager who paid Jeffrey Epstein $150 million yeah that is a lot of money and for what like what well that's it's probably a bribe it's probably it's got to be blackmail what else would it be it has to be blackmail why else would you give a transferred what is it say after his 2008 conviction, holy shit.

[1684] He's worth $9 billion.

[1685] But so what?

[1686] No, I'm just saying that...

[1687] It's still...

[1688] Look at this.

[1689] He transferred at least $50 million to Epstein after the 2008 conviction.

[1690] With sources suggested it could have been as high as $75 million, it was not clear what kind of services Mr. Epstein provided to Mr. Black, whose $9 billion fortune could buy him access to the best lawyers and accountants in the world.

[1691] Mr. Epstein, though, he styled himself as a financial.

[1692] financial doctor to wealthy clients.

[1693] Yeah, we talked to Eric Weinstein about that.

[1694] Eric Weinstein, who is a financial wizard, sat down with Epstein, and he said, within the first 30 seconds, I knew he was a fraud.

[1695] He's like, this is a construct.

[1696] This guy's putting on an act.

[1697] Eric's another one who doesn't like trolling.

[1698] No. I had a good conversation with him trying to persuade him the other way, because he's not a comedian.

[1699] No criminal activities connected to Epstein.

[1700] Black will also donate 200 million to efforts to seek to achieve gender equality.

[1701] and protect and empower women.

[1702] How is money going to do that?

[1703] That's crazy.

[1704] Buy a lot of Hulu hoops.

[1705] Hmm.

[1706] Okay.

[1707] Wow.

[1708] It's got to be girls.

[1709] If he's donating money for girls, it's got to be underage girls.

[1710] It's not boys.

[1711] He's not saying child trafficking.

[1712] Right, right, right.

[1713] Or LGBT or something like that.

[1714] There was probably, look, Clinton flew with him 28 times.

[1715] 28 times like how many fucking people were compromised by that guy look this is something Alex was talking about a long time ago what he's not just the CEO of that hedge fund he's also the chairman of MoMA oh wow busy modern art oh geez that's probably why it has more to do with more money problem you know yeah finagling mechanism oh the chairman of MoMA holy crap listen man there's probably a ton so my point is this is these are things that Alex Jones was talking about before anybody.

[1716] Alex Jones, who snuck into Bohemian Grove in the fucking 90s.

[1717] Did you see that?

[1718] I'm sure you see, but people should look up the video where he confronts David Gergan about it.

[1719] And David Gergan, who is like an android, loses his shit.

[1720] Yeah, yeah.

[1721] We played that on the podcast.

[1722] It's amazing.

[1723] Look, Alex has been, he has, like, he was the one who's explained the World Trade Organization and the use of government troops to act as people.

[1724] people that, what's that turn, agent provocateurs, when they smash windows and start fire, so they turn any peaceful protest into something that the cops can come in and squash.

[1725] And they did that with a World Trade Organization.

[1726] With the World Trade Organization in Seattle, they literally made it impossible to walk through with a pin on that had WTO with a red line through it, that ain't no protest zone.

[1727] So if you were showing up for work, you had a book bag, and on your book bag, it had a pin on it, and said WTO with a red line through it, they wouldn't let you pass.

[1728] Which is nonsense.

[1729] That's crazy.

[1730] Alex detailed all of that.

[1731] He also talked about how those people were arrested, the people who were the agent provocateurs, they all were in a safe house, and they were somehow or another all released.

[1732] And that there was some sort of negotiations took place, and instead of arresting them and apprehending them for all their violent acts of smashing things and lighting things on fire, whatever the fuck else they did, they released them all.

[1733] He detailed every step of the way.

[1734] How much heat have you gotten for, being friends with him and having him on the show a lot but I don't pay attention okay yeah I just I can justify it look I mean I won't justify the things that he's gotten wrong and I don't think he will either but I'll tell you that fucking guy is right about a lot of shit and when he was on this podcast and he talked about how 80 % of the people that took the Moderna vaccine had significant side effects particularly after the second dose people were like no fucking way so we played Bill Gates and I put it on my because people were saying you had an anti -vaxxer on your podcast.

[1735] I played the Bill Gates clip where Bill Gates is being interviewed by CBS, and he says it himself that 80 % of the people experience significant side effects, just like the nurse was telling us earlier today, when we got tested.

[1736] She experienced chills and shakes.

[1737] And she said all her friends did, too.

[1738] Yep, all her friends did.

[1739] So this is something that Alex was saying, and people were denying it.

[1740] Also, Alex was talking about how children in Sudan were involuntarily given these polio vaccines and a lot of them got polio from the vaccine.

[1741] We were like, what?

[1742] So then he shows us there's a fucking AP news report, an article from AP Associated Press that shows this poor little terrified child and they're squeezing his mouth open and they dropped this oral vaccine in his mouth and it talked about how many of these kids got polio from this vaccine.

[1743] These are things that Alex says that you're not hearing people talk about this.

[1744] This is not something that's mainstream discussed and it doesn't mean that vaccines are bad but this is a fact this is a thing that happens every medicine including Tylenol aspirin whatever there's going to be a small percentage of the population who are going to be allergic or have negative side effects yes so you should not be surprised if there's a vaccine or I'm not a doctor but it would stand to reason that the human bodies are so different that one out of a billion something bad is going to happen as a consequence yeah or a lot higher number than that you know and especially if you doing something that takes a young, healthy person like the nurse that was in here earlier and gives them a severe side effect.

[1745] Even if it's only air quotes 24 hours, it's still...

[1746] Significant.

[1747] Yeah.

[1748] Yeah, it's real.

[1749] And look, for her, it was worth it.

[1750] You know, she works in the ICU, and it boosts her immune system, and it really does work.

[1751] But the idea that he shouldn't be able to discuss this is crazy.

[1752] These are facts.

[1753] We should be informed.

[1754] and there's a lot of information other than that that he's talked about that's true.

[1755] You can't deny it.

[1756] He's right a lot, a lot.

[1757] But even if he's wrong, a lot of what he's saying is pointing towards things that are truthful.

[1758] Or he's saying things that people need to be aware of because you're saying, okay, crazy people the internet believe this.

[1759] What are they believing?

[1760] But people don't want to hear that.

[1761] Right.

[1762] And they just, oh, Sandy Hook, Sandy Hook.

[1763] He'll tell you he's wrong about that.

[1764] But what happens then?

[1765] So the guy who's been right about so many different things Because he's fucked up about this one thing You never want to talk to him again Or have anyone else talk to him?

[1766] Yeah, that's the thing Anybody who saw that podcast of me and Tim Dillon Who doesn't think he's fucking hilarious Doesn't think he's quite a character Like, it's, you're wrong And there's this, you know There's, you gotta have room for redemption in this world It's, it's huge If you don't, it's gonna come for you And that's what you have to understand.

[1767] It's going to fucking come for you.

[1768] It's going to come for everybody.

[1769] But there is room for redemption.

[1770] If Alex Jones sat down and said, I've been wrong about everything, Bill Gates is right, CBS is right, Anderson Cooper is right, he would be fedded.

[1771] No, they would never have him back on.

[1772] They would use that clip as, this is justification for all of their right.

[1773] Look, he's wrong.

[1774] He admitted he was wrong.

[1775] Cast him out of the kingdom.

[1776] Yeah, yeah.

[1777] Well, he's already been, I see what he's saying.

[1778] Yeah, I don't know.

[1779] He's managed to survive.

[1780] But Milo, like when was the last time you heard anybody talking about Milo?

[1781] Milo was a cultural phenom for a long time.

[1782] People were constantly, he was constantly in the news.

[1783] When he was writing for Bright Bar and he was at the head of things, he was constantly in the news.

[1784] It was a big deal.

[1785] Now you don't hear peep out of the guy.

[1786] And what was his worst, what was the worst things that he did?

[1787] well the things that he's done if you look at the things that people have done on the left like there's there's similar like what's the worst thing that he did was it like the talk about children about young children or young gay boys i talk about this in my book and then you're right because if any other context people were saying don't be heteronormative what he was saying to some extent is that it's not uncommon for older gay men to back in the day this was always the case kind of introduced younger men into the life because they didn't know any younger gay men right yeah and it's not the same parallels as a straight relationship as a gay relationship and mylo was saying okay there was this i don't know if i'm quoting him correctly but there was an older priest who basically kind of took advantage of him to some extent and that was his first gay experience and he was saying that he was the predator that's what he was saying right trust i think he was kind of joking yeah he was joking he did it on my podcast yeah you know that's one of the conversations and another one was on was it the drunken peasants podcast that was the one that got him canceled yeah i mean this is this is um a strange thing to decide when a man is talking about his own personal experiences right with a sexual relationship he's not saying that he's done that he didn't say that at all you know and then what else did he do those are the big that was the one because that's all the conservatives turned on him exactly see he got canceled from a CPAC bright bar dropped him all this other stuff what does he do now he's got a show on Gavin's network oh does he yeah it's on a Coomia studio it's it's dangerous I think to silence I think it's called dangerous I think so it's dangerous to silence people and I think that the problem is if you're not Things are moving so quickly, and this is the argument for silencing people, right?

[1788] And I don't agree with silencing people, but this would be the argument for it.

[1789] Things are moving so quickly that, like, say things like what happened with Capitol Hill, the attack in Capitol Hill.

[1790] The argument is, and this is, obviously, I'm not making parallels with what Milo talked about and that.

[1791] That is, like, Capitol Hill was a fucking crazy thing that happened.

[1792] but what the argument for silencing like conservative voices or crazy voices would be that this sort of a thing like no one has enough time to combat bad speech with better speech when you're dealing with like a 24 hour period before someone storms the capital like that you really got to do something you got to cut these people off you got to stop these things and this is what the the approach they had to parlor right this is the burn it all to the ground approach Amazon says you can no longer be hosted I mean you think about all the wretched shit that gets set on Twitter oh yeah but no one says but no one says we have to ban Twitter but out of all the things that got said on parlor like what is the percentage that were inflammatory where's the percentage that was calling for insurrection attacks in the capital what was the percentage of things that were racist I bet it's a tiny fraction Because a totalitarian ideology can't have any space outside its purview, whether it's the bedroom, whether it's video games, whether it's at a bar, TV, podcasts, or social media site.

[1793] Yeah, but I just think it's so short -sighted because that's why I'm optimistic.

[1794] They've set this precedent where you can just decide that when one or two or a thousand people post something fucked up, you can shut the whole network down.

[1795] Here's why that's dangerous.

[1796] And I'm not saying that this is the case, but for sure some sort of unscrupulous agent, whether it's another country or a competitive company or what have you, can inject some new accounts into a social media platform and use those new accounts to make inflammatory posts, racist posts, violent posts, call for insurrection, call for the murder of Nancy Pelosi and all these crazy things.

[1797] and then you take that social media platform down.

[1798] This is something that would be easy to do.

[1799] But there's another big danger, which I think the left historically is understood, that if people feel unheard, if people feel unseen, like fat people, right?

[1800] If you are just thrown into the garbage and not regard as a human being, that is going to have negative psychological consequences.

[1801] When you have that in the political space, how many people vote for Trump?

[1802] 72 million?

[1803] Let's say 1 % of that, like 72 ,000, right?

[1804] If you have people who have nothing to lose, who are being rendered invisible, who cannot be heard at any cost, that is pushing them toward a violent direction.

[1805] Yes.

[1806] And I think this country is in a very, I'm very concerned about violence.

[1807] I think it follows its own logic.

[1808] And what really disturbs me, like we're talking about Twitter, if they started pulling up guillotine, all these corporate journalists would be tripping over themselves to laugh at how dull the blades are.

[1809] that's how they're removed from seeing what's going on here being like if you ban someone from Twitter if you kick someone from every job that they can hold in another situation they're not going to disappear right and when you have you see this in urban minorities you see this in southern whites when you have poor males who have nothing to fight for the only thing that matters to them is their respect and if they're not that honor culture thing and they flip off at the top of hat if they don't have that sense of being respected, they're going to force you to respect them.

[1810] Big Frida is a, is a bounce singer, you know, like a queen of bounce in New Orleans.

[1811] Bounce?

[1812] Bounce is like a kind of music from New Orleans.

[1813] It's a mix of different things.

[1814] I don't know, whatever.

[1815] The point is he's this big sissy.

[1816] He got shot because some nobody wanted to say, I'm the one who shot Big Frida.

[1817] So if you have people who, like the guy who shot a pulse, all these crazy, when you got people who are completely marginalized.

[1818] And no one talks to them, there's going to be someone who will talk to them.

[1819] And you don't want that person to be the one talking to them because that person is going to exploit them and put them in very bad directions.

[1820] You see this with terrorism too.

[1821] Yeah.

[1822] Like they finally feel like I have a mission.

[1823] I matter.

[1824] Yeah.

[1825] It's really, really dangerous.

[1826] And I beg people in journalism to take a step back and try to take some pressure off.

[1827] And you're not, I'm not saying to validate these people.

[1828] I'm saying if you're just pointing and laughing at a certain point, someone will take that day.

[1829] and do something very, very scary and very dangerous.

[1830] New Zealand was an example of this.

[1831] You know, the guy, you know, shot up a mass. It was horrible.

[1832] Yeah, live streamed it, right?

[1833] Yes, and then he's joking in his manifesto by Candice Owens and things like that.

[1834] I don't think, I was going to say they don't, they're playing with fire, but they did it all last year.

[1835] So I really hope someone just takes a step back.

[1836] And if you're trying to persecute people in any way, be vindictive to people at the very, bottom things have a way of blowing up and isn't it weird that during this time where things have never been more volatile right right things are so close to some sort of a violent encounter then they've ramped up their censorship and they've they've they've ramped up the discrimination against a lot of the voices that are coming from the right they've changed a lot of their policies in regards to what you can and can't say and what will and will not be tolerated in people that are getting like if you even suggest that there may have been some impropriety involved in the elections right and you like i think we both agree on here's a thing that i say i like to say to people because i don't think that trump secretly won the election i do not but here's what i do think the amount of voter fraud is not zero how could we have gone from an election which was the most corrupt ever right and like russia was involved there's a three -year investigation and under Trump's auspices, it became the most secure election in history.

[1837] You would not have the space to determine how secure an election was the week after.

[1838] You'd have to start digging and start looking and investigating.

[1839] There's always going to be some election fraud.

[1840] I'm an anarchist, I think all elections are fraud, but that's a side issue.

[1841] But for them to insist that it's dangerous to question the results of an election, that in itself, that is who's running this country?

[1842] Is it the social media people or is it the social media people?

[1843] government that's so hypocritical too you can go back to nancy pelosi's tweets after the 2016 election saying that it was a there was a fake election yeah the results were fraudulent so it's yeah it's only fraudulent you can't question it when it's a result that they like but if it's so the this kind of when I'm weaker than you I ask for freedom because that's according to your principles when I'm stronger than you I take away your freedom because that's according to my principles that's the ruling paradigm and it's it's increasing I think we both agree on that, right?

[1844] We both agree that censorship is dangerous.

[1845] We both agree that this country has never been closer to some sort of a violent encounter.

[1846] But what do you think could be done to ease things up?

[1847] What do you think can be done?

[1848] Like if do you think that removing all restrictions on social media is the answer?

[1849] And if that was the case, since there's always been to these restrictions have been around for so long, if all of a sudden they remove these restrictions, don't you think there would be a flood?

[1850] of people trolling constantly and and saying crazy shit and then turning it into like 4chan turning it into the real internet right well 4chance twitter's not the real internet right if you ask me to choose between 4chan and cnn i don't know which one i'd have to choose i'll take 14 yeah i'll take 4chan i've asked myself this if i were the biden administration and if i were cnn what would i do to mitigate this increasing level of contempt and unrest among certain fringe circles.

[1851] And it's also many pockets of the left.

[1852] I don't know if you saw this Black Lives Matter was marching in Washington, D .C. yesterday, last week, excuse me, chanting, burning it all down.

[1853] So there's plenty of people in that movement who are livid that they're not feeling represented by this new administration.

[1854] Some of the things I would do is to have some kind of tokenism from people on the right, give them some positions, and make a pretense, at least, that we're having conversations with them.

[1855] Just have them once a week on CNN.

[1856] But it's the same faces.

[1857] Biden has boasted, and I think very fairly, that he's been around since the 70s and he's bipartisan.

[1858] He knows how to work across the aisle.

[1859] Have meetings with Matt Gates or have a meeting with some of these younger Congress people.

[1860] Make it a photo op. But at the very least, it's going to be hard to get the people in the center right to feel like Biden's complete the devil.

[1861] Because they look at the screens, they'd be like, oh, look, he's making an effort.

[1862] And for many people, they want to feel like there's at least an effort.

[1863] made even if nothing comes of it yeah do you think that it's possible to one of the things that jack dorsey described is having a second twitter having this sort of like censored twitter and then having a wild west twitter well yeah that's the market you know but that's a parlor was parlor was in many ways of wild west twitter in many ways but because there was no wild west twitter it became a voice of only the conservatives but the wild west wasn't that bad either not that bad yeah right The question is, though, the problem with Parlor is it's all just conservatives.

[1864] If you had a Wild West ver—I don't know.

[1865] I might be wrong about that.

[1866] But I think that was the impression a lot of people got.

[1867] Whereas a lot of Twitter is mostly— There's a lot of right -wing people on Twitter.

[1868] There's a lot of right -wing people on Twitter, yeah.

[1869] But there's—I don't think there was a lot of left -wing people on Parlor.

[1870] Correct.

[1871] It's an asymmetry, yeah.

[1872] The question is, if they had a Wild West Twitter, would it become all right -wing?

[1873] Because one of the things that does happen—there's been actually studies about this.

[1874] When you have uncensored comments, like YouTube comments, they lean heavily male and they lean heavily right.

[1875] Is that true?

[1876] Yeah.

[1877] Yeah, like one of the things about YouTube comments, it's like one of the last refuges for political free speech from the right in a uncensored, well, I guess it's censored.

[1878] Somewhat.

[1879] Yeah.

[1880] But in a mainstream social media format is the comments on YouTube videos.

[1881] Look, there's also the issue of like back in the day Everyone was on OKCupid or eHarmony And now there's thousands of dating sites You know Christian Mingled There's one for Farmers I think Whatever Tinder Farmers Only.

[1882] Is that what it is?

[1883] Yeah, okay Have you seen commercials?

[1884] They're amazing I have not Yeah Farmersonly dot com But there's no reason everyone has to be on Twitter That's true It could have to be divided based on ideology Yeah Well it's a monopoly In only in the sense that it was there first and it's used most.

[1885] It doesn't seem like it would be that difficult to make another one of those.

[1886] I agree with Gilling Greenwald a lot, and the point he made that it's extremely dangerous to censor a president.

[1887] Because if this president is doing the things you're talking about, we need to know immediately.

[1888] Because if you have a president who's what you're believing is advocating insurrection and violence, you shouldn't have to wait a day to find out.

[1889] You need to be on top of this stuff immediately.

[1890] And the fact that he did it while he was in office.

[1891] That's my point, yeah.

[1892] Ooh, so symbolic of the problems that we're having today.

[1893] It was weird.

[1894] I mean, look, but then again, they thought, in their defense, like, he was going to call for interaction.

[1895] Like, he'd already done something so crazy.

[1896] Right.

[1897] He was like, you've got to show them strength.

[1898] They don't respond to anything else.

[1899] He got to march towards that Capitol.

[1900] He basically goaded them into, like, moving.

[1901] What the fuck ever.

[1902] Whatever?

[1903] That's kind of a big word.

[1904] Sort of.

[1905] They're going to listen.

[1906] They're walking towards the Capitol.

[1907] listening him in a massive mob of people once that mob get you know what mob mentality is like once they start chanting and screaming and the cops they realize they could push past the boundaries and the barriers and then they're climbing the wall like he wasn't out there screaming stop this right now this is anti -American he was saying you need to show force he was strength and force aren't the same thing oh that's right show of strength yeah you're right I mean maybe he needs to work in his abs that's how you show strength definitely how he needs needs to he definitely needs to work on his abs you think we'd have a jack president think the rock could be president uh would people would be mad that he's on steroids you don't know that he could be natty you've never natty reacts only fuck you're talking about did you see that there's a new show for him the young rock what yeah they're having a show based on him as a kid oh like with an actor yeah except in the future i don't know how what yeah but it's It's like 70s close.

[1908] Yeah, it's set in the future.

[1909] Oh, my God, I can't do this.

[1910] They're going to show the kid running.

[1911] This is like someone was high in a meeting.

[1912] How about?

[1913] Well, they did young Sheldon.

[1914] In the future.

[1915] Wait, I didn't.

[1916] But we have them from the 70s.

[1917] Dwayne Johnson runs for president in 2032.

[1918] He takes a comedic look back at his extraordinary life through the outrageous stories of his family and youth that shaped him into the man he is today, explores his childhood years living amid influential wrestling icons while his dad rose to fame in the business, his rebellious team.

[1919] This is going to be the best show that's ever lived.

[1920] You know what the working title was?

[1921] Hell on earth.

[1922] It sounds like a nightmare.

[1923] He can be president.

[1924] If Trump can do it, anyone can do it.

[1925] He's very charismatic.

[1926] He could do it way easier than Trump.

[1927] Oh, yeah.

[1928] Yeah.

[1929] I mean, people would like him.

[1930] Like, he would get a lot of the people would like him.

[1931] All he would have to do is have a reasonable political stance on things, and then make a commitment to having a cabinet filled with people that don't have their hooks or don't have Goldman Sachs with their hooks in them and don't have their hooks, you know, special interest groups dictating what they do and just have the best experts that can fix the economic crisis, the environmental crises.

[1932] And if he just had like great speeches that were someone like you sat down a good writer and constructed them and, you know, and he worked at it, He's a huckin' icon, and he's a giant.

[1933] Here's the problem.

[1934] Handsome?

[1935] Here's the problem.

[1936] What a body.

[1937] No, comcutters.

[1938] Here's the problem.

[1939] The DNC, the Democratic Party, has shown that there have no problem being very heavy -handed in forcing their candidate through the finish line.

[1940] Bernie Sanders was ahead in every single poll for Super Tuesday, except I think Minnesota, which is Klobich, our country.

[1941] Someone got in the phone with her, someone got in the phone with Pete Buttigieg and said, here's what you.

[1942] happening, Biden's our guy, you're canceling your campaign today, and you're endorsing him today, and they got their asses on the plane.

[1943] So I think if they had someone that they couldn't control, you would be very surprised to see how heavy -handed the Democratic Party would be to ensure they got their nominee.

[1944] And you can't blame them, because it's a big organization that owes a lot of things to a lot of people.

[1945] I agree with you.

[1946] However, I think that the Rock has far more juice than Bernie Sanders.

[1947] Yeah, I mean, yeah.

[1948] Far more.

[1949] The actual.

[1950] But just, I think they wouldn't be able to do that with him.

[1951] Just like the Republicans weren't able to do that with Donald.

[1952] They tried to do that with Trump.

[1953] But you're also could, there's a big asymmetry.

[1954] I keep, that's the word of day.

[1955] Hey, kids.

[1956] If anyone says asymmetry, scream real loud.

[1957] Take a shot.

[1958] The corporate press would, if they wanted to, would destroy the rock.

[1959] Whereas they didn't have the power in the Republican Party to destroy Donald Trump.

[1960] Maybe.

[1961] or maybe the trust in the corporate press will deteriorate so much over the next four years.

[1962] They won't have the ability to do that anymore.

[1963] Oh, my God.

[1964] What a glorious day that would be.

[1965] I think the trust in the corporate press has never been lower.

[1966] I know.

[1967] I'm doing my part.

[1968] So this is my little dumb quote.

[1969] The battle is won when the average American views a corporate journalist exactly as they view a tobacco executive.

[1970] These people are selling a product.

[1971] This product is deadly.

[1972] There are a lot of smart people, hardworking, educated, but don't mistake them for anything else.

[1973] Yeah.

[1974] Don't mistake them.

[1975] Yeah.

[1976] And they're not your friend.

[1977] No. Well, and also, like, you're dealing with a lot of this, the culture that is entering to journalism now, the culture that is getting into journalism.

[1978] Matt Taibi has a fantastic book.

[1979] Oh, he's the best.

[1980] Hate Inc. is so good.

[1981] It's so good.

[1982] I just finished it today.

[1983] It's so goddamn good.

[1984] And he ends with a discussion with Noam Chomsky.

[1985] Oh, yeah.

[1986] Noam Chomsky had that great quote about how the best way to control a population is to have vigorous debate within strictly delineated context to give the appearance of disagreement.

[1987] And that's exactly, he nailed it.

[1988] Yeah, he nailed it.

[1989] Yeah, and this book is, it's just so brilliant at talking about how bad journalism has gotten.

[1990] and how it happened, and how they're essentially in the business of hate.

[1991] And while I'm reading this, Sager and Getty from The Hill, he put out a poll like this graph rather that shows CNN's ratings, post Donald Trump being in office, down 45%.

[1992] Wow.

[1993] Holy crap.

[1994] 45 % is crazy.

[1995] That is crazy.

[1996] Like if you had a show and the show was down 45%, that's down to 45 people.

[1997] That's terrible.

[1998] terrible but they would be like it's over for you buddy yeah like you've you've crashed did you see that brian stelter told ted what was his name jenning peter like oh i don't care about my ratings well you should it's your show wow he's just talking nonsense yeah it was really it was tom brocock excuse me people can look this up he's that's nonsense talk it so he's also he also said that there was a problem you just see when they were talking on the his show when the him and his guests were discussing the problem with these YouTube shows getting all of these ratings.

[1999] I saw that.

[2000] I saw that.

[2001] That was crazy.

[2002] It wasn't crazy.

[2003] It's them showing their hand.

[2004] It is.

[2005] But it's crazy that they're actually making an appeal to authority that perhaps someone should step in because these YouTube channels get more attention than CNN does.

[2006] And of course, CNN deserves more attention than these YouTube shows.

[2007] Just for context, I was thinking about it.

[2008] CNN, all of them would be getting less.

[2009] views, not just CNN.

[2010] Fox is down 14%.

[2011] CNN is ahead of Fox according to articles coming out.

[2012] Yeah, Fox imploded.

[2013] That's interesting because over the last two weeks.

[2014] The article's coming out the last two weeks saying...

[2015] Go to Saugger's Instagram and you can see...

[2016] I saw it going around.

[2017] You see the graph that he put up.

[2018] The graph that he put up showed a significant decrease with CNN and a much smaller decrease with Fox.

[2019] Maybe that's exact...

[2020] Maybe that is the beginning and then maybe it's changed over time, and now CNN.

[2021] The graph is just showing a change in audience, not like what the audience is.

[2022] Okay.

[2023] So it's showing that the percentage in change, so it had a higher percentage in change, I suppose.

[2024] What I mean about change?

[2025] It's like how the, it's like...

[2026] The fortune that you lost.

[2027] I know, that's like a weird...

[2028] But it says it's down 43 .69 %.

[2029] Yeah.

[2030] It says viewership is down, Jamie.

[2031] That's not what it says.

[2032] It doesn't say it changed.

[2033] It says viewership is down.

[2034] And the percentage.

[2035] Stop.

[2036] Look at the actual article, not the headline.

[2037] How to read, CNN's average viewership across 125 through 129 was down 43 .69 % in the eight -hour among total viewers, age 2 plus.

[2038] Two -plus.

[2039] It's just compared to those one -year -olds, those fucking idiots.

[2040] It's just compared to the week before, though.

[2041] Yeah.

[2042] That's it.

[2043] But the week before was like the inauguration.

[2044] Yeah, it's the post -election.

[2045] That's what we said.

[2046] So overall, though, Fox is down more because CNN is higher rated than Foxes.

[2047] this is just for one week though what does that mean Fox is but Fox is only down 18 % Jamie Fox no that's the MSNBC Fox is 5 is 5198 no that's Fox News isn't a rating is chart though 4 3 yeah but it's the amount of viewers that are down that's what we're talking about over a one week time period okay but it's still right after the election Jamie it's only been a month after the election and this after the election is they're showing how people drop off radically and it shows exactly what we said that Fox got less drop off for the first time in 20 years Fox is not the top rated news cable network okay yeah but this is on Fox okay well wait no hold I want to understand what you're trying to say because I'm just sort of saying like all news channels are down right what I'm saying yes over it but I'm saying there's a big difference between someone being down 45 % which is almost half their audience and someone being down 7 % I'm saying it's not down it's what they're reporting in that thing is a change of 45 % over a one -week time period.

[2048] It's being, it's not a change, it's down 45 % in a one -week time period.

[2049] Isn't that a huge statistic?

[2050] It's a huge statistic.

[2051] I'm not following your point.

[2052] Jamie, everyone thinks it's a massive statistic.

[2053] I mean, this is something that's being discussed by pundits across all sorts of different.

[2054] I want to understand.

[2055] I'll reel back.

[2056] I'm wrong because.

[2057] No, no, no. I don't, don't like it like that because I hate it when I'm trying to make a point and people don't understand me. So I really want to hear what you're saying.

[2058] My point was that not just CNNB is being.

[2059] down.

[2060] Correct.

[2061] All news stations are probably down.

[2062] All news consumption is down.

[2063] Oh, correct.

[2064] Everyone's done with it.

[2065] That's true.

[2066] So shitting on CNN is unfair, I feel like, because all of them are down.

[2067] And when I look up who's rated where, Fox is down more by, not just Vox.

[2068] I see what you're saying.

[2069] So he's saying that one chart is making, it's out of context because Fox overall is down by much more.

[2070] It's just CNN had more severe during that week.

[2071] Correct.

[2072] Okay.

[2073] So is CNN And rebounded or has Fox deteriorated significantly as well?

[2074] That's the part of, like, getting into the numbers of things.

[2075] Because, like, when you've used percentages, that's not talking about millions of numbers or how many people actually tuned in.

[2076] It's the percentage that's going, five.

[2077] You know, if you go in from 10 to 5, that's 50%.

[2078] But if you went from 3 to 2, that's 30%.

[2079] You only have two people watching.

[2080] But Fox used to be the highest rated program, so it would be higher numbers.

[2081] Now they're number three, though.

[2082] Who's number one?

[2083] Who's number one?

[2084] All the boomer cons have gone to O -A -N -O -A -N and Newsmax.

[2085] No. They've all switched.

[2086] But where do you even get Newsmax?

[2087] It's on the cable.

[2088] What do you mean?

[2089] That's on cable?

[2090] Yes.

[2091] I thought that was only on YouTube.

[2092] Well, that's why you've got to put a stop to it.

[2093] Newsmax on YouTube is getting more than CNN.

[2094] We can't have this happen.

[2095] I think it is, honestly.

[2096] Probably.

[2097] They get big numbers.

[2098] Now, O -A -N.

[2099] Yeah.

[2100] They are on TV as well?

[2101] Correct.

[2102] No. Yeah.

[2103] Really?

[2104] Yeah.

[2105] What's it on?

[2106] I don't know.

[2107] It's like one of them channels?

[2108] It's like the Scientology channel.

[2109] Is that a thing?

[2110] Is that a thing?

[2111] Yeah.

[2112] Yes, we do.

[2113] For instance, using this percentage as a metric, which I feel is unfair, makes this story look drastically different.

[2114] CNN has rose 176 % and that's why it's over Fox News.

[2115] And MSNBC is over it too.

[2116] Fox's daytime view, but over a period of a year, right?

[2117] But they're saying that over...

[2118] That's almost adds to my point of saying just using a one -week time piece.

[2119] hear you say it's down 50 % is it gets everyone murky and we're in this weird so like they're up 176 and they regress so it's like they're up 130 so that's still a huge massive game there's still people watching it yeah yeah it's all weird what what what is this article from that you're showing us this is from uh forbs to last week okay i was trying to find an act more like more up -to -date articles and stuff that is that is amazing fox doesn't know what to do with itself no well here's the thing that none of them know what to do with themselves, right?

[2120] Like, they need an enemy.

[2121] And I think Fox is probably going to find some things to hate about the Biden minister.

[2122] You know who's getting it?

[2123] Who's, I'm watching her crack, like, real early on.

[2124] The press secretary.

[2125] Oh, my God.

[2126] It's so funny.

[2127] Oh, my God.

[2128] It's so.

[2129] Judge Saki.

[2130] She's barely hanging in there.

[2131] She's going to circle back with you.

[2132] To conservative Twitter, yeah, I am going to circle back.

[2133] You know what's really funny?

[2134] She is cracking early.

[2135] I went through her old tweets because I have nothing to do.

[2136] And we, Trump's big rallies were like, this is a problem, super spreader events.

[2137] Oh my God, he's preaching violence.

[2138] In 2012, she and others were boasting about how much Obama's rallies were bigger than Mitt Romney.

[2139] So when you like it, the big rallies are a good thing.

[2140] Right, but that's not during a pandemic.

[2141] Sure, but I'm talking about even before they were saying, before the pandemic, they were attacking him for these rallies.

[2142] She was doing this?

[2143] The left.

[2144] I don't know about her personally.

[2145] Of course.

[2146] You don't remember this?

[2147] How he's rallying hate and Jim Acosta standing.

[2148] there he said he was scared he was encouraged people to boot journalists okay yeah okay so the attitude well there there was some significant behavioral differences in the trump rallies sure i had never seen at a political rally before did you see where see the new the CNN people just getting shit on there in in their face like people screaming at them at trump rallies i'd never seen that before pre -pendemic did you see when trump was campaigning he joked about killing the press no i didn't see that he had a um maybe i could probably find this he was talking about Putin and he says oh Putin kills people in the journals we don't like that and he goes look at these people in the back I would never kill them uh let's see no no I would never kill them but the horrible people and it's like you're you're kind of joking about killing them so uh you know Greg Gn 40 no he was running for congress in Montana and there's a journalist and I forget his name I apologize and he body slammed him and he tweet up Greg Jen Forty he just body slammed me and broke my glasses.

[2149] That's not cool obviously.

[2150] You don't put your hands on somebody and they tried to find one voter who changed their opinion on him and they couldn't find one and now he's governor or senator.

[2151] He just won, I think it's governor.

[2152] Can you look at him?

[2153] Governor Montana.

[2154] He's the governor.

[2155] He body slam the reporter and broke his glasses.

[2156] Wow.

[2157] I mean that's what I'm talking about how...

[2158] How's he not in jail?

[2159] That's assault.

[2160] I don't...

[2161] He didn't do any time for that?

[2162] But this is what I'm talking about how the The press needs to be careful how so many of these things are happening, and it's, how many, Steve Scalise.

[2163] Yes, that's a scary.

[2164] When you have people talking.

[2165] That was a Bernie, bro.

[2166] But you have people saying, I'm glad Rand Paul was assaulted on Twitter and no consequences for this.

[2167] And his wife, I forget her name, she was like, Jack, like, this happens on a daily basis.

[2168] People are like, you know, I love Rand Paul's neighbor all the time, and you don't care.

[2169] This is really, really dangerous territory.

[2170] Well, you remember when people were leaving, what was that Republican event, and Rand Paul was swarmed by people?

[2171] And Rand Paul, the guy who, he's the guy who wrote the Breonna Taylor bill.

[2172] Yeah.

[2173] I mean, it's just, but because he's Republican.

[2174] Right.

[2175] These, I think it was BLM protesters were in his face.

[2176] He did, he had misdemeanor assault charge, not enough damage to lead to a felonious assault charge.

[2177] He pled guilty, he paid a 385.

[2178] $5 fine, completed 40 hours.

[2179] How is body slamming someone out of felony?

[2180] Imagine you could get away with it for only $380.

[2181] $50 ,000.

[2182] Oh, man, good thing I'm on a bulk, it's hard to pick me up.

[2183] What do you do?

[2184] What do you weigh now?

[2185] 153.

[2186] Wow.

[2187] I'm huge.

[2188] Bulking.

[2189] Firm of bulk.

[2190] So I'm also very worried about all the warfare that they're starting.

[2191] They didn't miss a beat there.

[2192] Scary.

[2193] And friggin' Liz Chaney.

[2194] I mean, she wants to kill your children.

[2195] it's it's really really sick and and um i'm very worried about that that especially the warfare state i'm worried about china oh yeah that but at hong kong yeah i know right isn't that crazy they did that and there's like no fucking press about it they literally took over hong kong they imposed the same tort sort of be rules that on the populace that they have in mainstream or mainland china did you see the headline the new york times how uh how china beat the coronavirus and about how great the Chinese Communist Party wasn't beating it?

[2196] Headline news right here from the fifth.

[2197] Power, patriotism and 1 .4 billion people, how China beat the virus.

[2198] They welded people into their homes.

[2199] Fuck are you talking about.

[2200] And they lied.

[2201] And they lied.

[2202] Yeah, for sure.

[2203] Yeah.

[2204] It's really kind of scary how China is covered in the West.

[2205] Yeah.

[2206] And it doesn't get anywhere near the attention it deserves, in my opinion.

[2207] No, very little discussion of the Uyghur Muslims.

[2208] This is what I was talking with Yanmi.

[2209] She goes, if we put pressure on China, North Korea is liberated tomorrow because they're the ones propping them up.

[2210] Because I said there's nothing we can do.

[2211] She goes, she got very angry.

[2212] She goes, no, you're wrong.

[2213] One thing we can do is stop placating China and stop singing its praises.

[2214] Yeah, it's scary the power they have over the World Health Organization, too.

[2215] Oh, yeah.

[2216] The World Health Organization is, again, recently dismissed the idea that the coronavirus came from a laboratory, that it was part of a lab league.

[2217] when all these biologists are saying that now.

[2218] It was on the cover of Newsweek, the lab leak hypothesis.

[2219] It's being discussed openly now that Trump is no longer the president.

[2220] It's not an issue.

[2221] World Health Organization.

[2222] Six months ago, it's paranoid.

[2223] We have to block this person.

[2224] It's paranoia.

[2225] Blah, blah, blah.

[2226] It's racist.

[2227] People were mad at me. These goofy left -wing websites were saying that I'm pushing these unheralded conspiracy theories because I had Brett Weinstein, who's an evolutionary biologist on the podcast discussing why there's evidence and points of this have him being created in a lab.

[2228] Do you know what it is, though, with blue -pilled people?

[2229] It's like the people in the 60s who thought Liberace was straight because you've never seen him sucking dick, right?

[2230] So it's like, until you see someone in the lab, they're not going to believe it, because they're told not to.

[2231] Look at this.

[2232] Peter Dasak of the World Health Organization team investigating the origins of SARS -CoV -2 says that Wuhan Institute of Biology could not have been the source of the virus as the Institute's staff spent all of autumn 19 asleep in the hammock in the yard.

[2233] What?

[2234] He's being sarcastic.

[2235] Oh.

[2236] That's a weird way to be a sarcastic.

[2237] For those not convinced the matter is settled, this analysis is worth a look.

[2238] Click on that link.

[2239] Right.

[2240] An open debate on SARS -Coop Proximal Origin was long overdue.

[2241] Yeah, they...

[2242] Look at all those names, too.

[2243] That's not like one random crackpot if you want to dismiss it that way.

[2244] These are people from international major stats.

[2245] Yes, exactly.

[2246] And this is this is mainstream discussion now because of the actual components of the virus.

[2247] Like it exhibits all these traits that just don't occur in the wild this quickly.

[2248] And there's also traits that you find very clearly in laboratory viruses.

[2249] Like there's a fucking level for biology lab right there in Wuhan.

[2250] Like this is not like outside.

[2251] It's not like impossible that it came out of a lab.

[2252] The resistance.

[2253] to that.

[2254] The fact that people know for sure that it didn't come from that has to come from some influence.

[2255] What is that influence?

[2256] It's China.

[2257] I got a great little quote for you.

[2258] We have more evidence of biological weaponry coming out of China than we did of nuclear weaponry coming out of Iraq.

[2259] And we started war over that.

[2260] That's true.

[2261] And here it's just like don't talk about it.

[2262] We don't see anything.

[2263] And it's really sick.

[2264] I don't think they're thinking of his biological weaponry But, I mean, that's what it would be.

[2265] Well, I don't think that, no, no, no, no. I think it's an accidental leak.

[2266] But why are they building it to begin with this?

[2267] I'm not saying they did it on purpose.

[2268] I'm saying.

[2269] We have those here in Galveston.

[2270] We're trying to make viruses?

[2271] No, we have experimental viruses.

[2272] We work on experimenting with viruses to try to come up with some sort of, some sort of vaccines or remedies or find out how these viruses work.

[2273] Like, we, you know, there's a. Oh, so they're making it for research purposes, not for weaponry purposes.

[2274] Yes.

[2275] Yeah.

[2276] I mean, that's what that lab is.

[2277] The Center for Disease Control in Galveston, I visited that place with Duncan.

[2278] It's the scariest fucking place I've been to in my life.

[2279] Why is that?

[2280] Because they have everything in there.

[2281] They have everything in everything.

[2282] They have everything.

[2283] Ebola, giant thick plexiglass walls.

[2284] Everybody's walking around like they're in a fucking moon suit.

[2285] It's wild, man. It's wild shit when you go over there.

[2286] Do they have smallpox still?

[2287] They must.

[2288] I bet they have everything there.

[2289] Because there's one place that still has it, I think.

[2290] But it's really interesting, the doctor who we interviewed, he said, and this was a few years back, I think Duncan and I were there in 2012, he said that he's not concerned with biological weapons.

[2291] He's concerned with just nature.

[2292] He's concerned with another pandemic that just this happens in nature.

[2293] But that doesn't mean that people can't fuck with viruses and then it gets out.

[2294] you know it's yeah there is the possibility of someone creating some sort of a super virus no doubt David Friedman has that great point about global warming he goes at a certain point whether it's manmade or natural it doesn't matter if it's going to destroy civilization right we got to figure out how to stop it if that's the case yeah that's a good point that is a weird one right like people well it's always but a natural cycle and then it becomes a political thing like everything they dig their heels in the sand the signs are settled and then other people go they're killing us with their ignorance Like, is that true, too?

[2295] That might not be either, that might not be correct either.

[2296] Did you see that Greta Thunberg's in trouble in India now?

[2297] What she do?

[2298] She tweeted out accidentally a bunch of talking points that were written for her.

[2299] And they're like suing her for her.

[2300] I don't remember the exact details, but she's in deep water.

[2301] She's 12.

[2302] I thought.

[2303] She's like 17 now.

[2304] She's eight years old.

[2305] No, no. She's old enough to be a child shield for people with an agenda.

[2306] It's so strange that they keep going to that girl.

[2307] Like, how did that happen?

[2308] One, one thing.

[2309] how dare you I should be in school and the other side of the ocean Yeah I mean It's so weird That's hilarious It's like this is your God That's hilarious And you've basically set this girl on a path That she cannot change Right because you made her famous You made her famous at a really young age And she's kind of autistic -y Right Yeah Something's going on And now you This is her life goal and mission Maybe she could have been A fucking great comic book author Or she could have made dresses or wrote books.

[2310] There's no one more privileged than the white girl who says, I'm not going back to school until everyone changed the weather for me. Come on.

[2311] How funny was that?

[2312] I just think, yeah, it's it's funny how people who are into this issue, which they should be, understandably, look to a child to teach them the way.

[2313] Yeah, she's on a school strike.

[2314] I'm not going back to school.

[2315] My kids can try to pull that shit too.

[2316] Daddy.

[2317] I'm on strike well she's she's done good for herself I mean she's made bank the problem is just like we're talking about with hate ink with Matt Taibi's book the problem is when you have a girl like that and she becomes a public persona that guarantees a certain amount of views they're going to keep using that girl well it's also because she's a human shield there it's like Hamas it's like you can't because you go after her it's like how dare you attack a child how dare you yeah yeah same thing with Jimmy Kimmel and his kid he's like oh my kid's six So therefore you should have socialized medicine.

[2318] And I'm going to cry and tell you about it.

[2319] Yeah.

[2320] It's, they don't care.

[2321] I just don't understand why someone would allow their kid to do that, allow their kid to become this global target like, like, she is.

[2322] Come on, you've met stage moms and things like that.

[2323] This is the ultimate case of that.

[2324] You're right.

[2325] I have.

[2326] I still understand it.

[2327] I mean, because you're a dad, yeah.

[2328] Yeah, I just, it's reprehensible.

[2329] Well, if you genuinely feel like you're saving the world, you're going to do a lot of things.

[2330] And it's a lot easier to believe you're genuinely doing something when you're being rewarded so heavily for it.

[2331] That's true.

[2332] There's this quote which is ascribed to, I think, up to St. Clairin correctly, which is it's very hard to convince someone of something whose job it is dependent on him not understanding that thing.

[2333] Yeah, I love that quote.

[2334] So it's kind of like, yeah, if you're getting incentivized to an enormous extent by having your kid not in school and give these speeches, and everyone's, all their parents are going to be jealous of you, you know?

[2335] Especially growing up if you thought she was going to have to be in some kind of home, It's just, there's so many hot points in the political climate and in just the cultural climate.

[2336] There's so many spots where there's problems, and it seems like it's accelerating.

[2337] Yes.

[2338] That's what bothers me so much.

[2339] Well, that's why I'm hopeful.

[2340] But I am.

[2341] In what way?

[2342] Because it's very hard for a monoculture to maintain totalitarian control when each little sub -issue is blowing up independently.

[2343] it's like trying to play whack -a -mole you can't do it that's true but isn't that an argument against freedom because China is able to squash dissent North Korea is able to squash dissent because they have totalitarian dictatorships right but they figured out a way so maybe that's the only way that our nation can stay together is if some Putin type character takes over I mean that would be the argument for that democracy is sort of a failed enterprise democracy is a failed enterprise I think that's that's of course yes so every Of course, yes.

[2344] Every vote is a theft.

[2345] Every election is stolen.

[2346] Every vote is a suppression.

[2347] It makes no sense for me to have to justify my choices to my neighbors about anything.

[2348] So my rights aren't enough for discussion, let alone a vote.

[2349] They don't listen to the Constitution.

[2350] I can't get a gun in New York.

[2351] The Second Amendment is a joke.

[2352] So this Constitution is like a gun -free zone sign for conservatives.

[2353] They think, I'll put this on the wall, and people will listen to it.

[2354] And they go, well, I don't care what that sign says.

[2355] Well, you should listen to the sign.

[2356] I'm not going to.

[2357] So it's, and especially if you hate Trump, if you think he's a putts and authoritarian, if you think Joe Biden's on his last legs and is a degenerate, there's no reason for you to be under the authority of someone you dislike or disagree with.

[2358] Just if other people want to have Joe Biden as their president, have him as your president.

[2359] If you want to have Trump as your president, have Trump as your president.

[2360] You don't have to have one size fits all because you don't do it in any other issue.

[2361] Well, we do because we have someone has to be the commander and chief.

[2362] Well, we could definitely start paring down the size of the army.

[2363] We do not need to be the world's policemen.

[2364] It's disturbing how people who claim to love the troops are so desperate to export them and have them blown up and come back mangled.

[2365] And we shouldn't be having all these bases in Germany?

[2366] Why are we defending Germany?

[2367] Right.

[2368] Because we don't want China to take over.

[2369] We don't want Russia to take over.

[2370] The Germans can take care of the Russians.

[2371] You think so?

[2372] But what about the Chinese?

[2373] What do you mean about the Chinese?

[2374] You might need them for that.

[2375] No, South Korea, I mean, it's a lot easier to make the argument for South Korean troops than the bases than in the German troops, but we're so exposed throughout the world.

[2376] Why do you think that is?

[2377] Because of Woodrow Wilson.

[2378] Because he had this vision that we're going to redeem the earth, that we're going to be the Messiah nation, that the social gospel, which he championed, was the idea that instead of a person having an individual soul that can be saved, a nation has a soul, and you have to redeem the entire nation.

[2379] You can take America and export Americanism everywhere and have everyone kind of follow the same kind of suit, which sounds really nice.

[2380] But then it becomes very oppressive very quickly when all these countries are under our thumb.

[2381] Well, let's say China decides to really ratchet it up.

[2382] What if they decide to step it up a notch?

[2383] What if they decide to take over Taiwan?

[2384] Yeah.

[2385] What if they decide to do some really wild shit and just push?

[2386] I don't think that we have the space ourselves in terms of military or in terms of international affairs to stand up to them.

[2387] I think anything on that level would have to be, just like the World Wars, some sort of coalition.

[2388] Don't you agree?

[2389] Yeah, maybe.

[2390] Just even in terms of sanctions, we couldn't be the ones doing it ourselves.

[2391] They might be crazy enough to nuke us.

[2392] China?

[2393] Yeah.

[2394] The only people who've ever used nukes militarily is us.

[2395] Yeah, up until now.

[2396] I don't think they're that that crazy.

[2397] So what do you think they would do?

[2398] I don't know.

[2399] If a war broke out between the United States and China, you don't think any nuclear weapons would be used?

[2400] It seems kind of crazy.

[2401] It's like agreeing to keep your right hand in your pocket while you have a boxing match.

[2402] I think it's more like let's not give each other chainsaws in a boxing match because if one used it, the others are going to use it.

[2403] Yeah.

[2404] So one of the great things about the end of the Cold War is they took Gorbache.

[2405] who's head of the Soviet Union into the bunker, and they gave him the dress rehearsal about how to retaliate if the Americans nuked us.

[2406] And even in that simulation, he said, I'm not pressing this button.

[2407] I'm not going to respond.

[2408] Reagan was the same way.

[2409] He had decided, as AIDS say, he never said this on the record, of course, that he's not going to retaliate.

[2410] So both of them were playing this kind of prisoner's dilemma where they both decided we're not going to retaliate with nukes, but each thought the other one was going to be able to retaliate.

[2411] It was this great, great kind of moment in history.

[2412] God.

[2413] And it's wonderful that these two war mongers, Reagan, you remember when he's a crazy person, he's going to get us into war, we're going to get nukes, well, and Gorbachev, he's the head of the evil empire, and both were like, we're not doing the nukes.

[2414] Now, the Chinese is a different story, because they're feeling their oats and they're getting very aggressive.

[2415] And the fact that so many in the media have a very kind of at least ambiguous perspective on China is of enormous concern.

[2416] Why do you think that is?

[2417] Do you think they're in their pocket?

[2418] I don't know.

[2419] Yeah, I think they're in their pocket.

[2420] That's really scary.

[2421] Look what they did to the NBA.

[2422] They got them to back down.

[2423] Remember when the NBA was supporting Hong Kong?

[2424] No, what happened there?

[2425] You don't remember?

[2426] I don't, NBA, you know about the NBA.

[2427] The NBA was supporting Hong Kong.

[2428] A lot of NBA players are tweeting about Hong Kong.

[2429] And all of a sudden China was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[2430] Do you want to have no NBA in China?

[2431] Do you know how much money this is?

[2432] And they must have had some internal discussions.

[2433] and then the NBA just the players completely backed off the NBA itself started saying pro -China things no yeah oh yeah you don't know about all this I did not know about this yeah it's it scared the fuck out of a lot of people it should because you know these are organizations that are wholly American and and symbols of America but that's also how Dr. Strange you know the movie Dr. Strange in the comic book Dr. Strang's mentor is a Tibetan man. Yeah.

[2434] In the movie, it's a woman, a bald woman who dresses like a monk and a white lady at that.

[2435] Definitely not Tibetan, because China doesn't believe in Tibet.

[2436] Jesus.

[2437] Or, yeah.

[2438] Yeah, they have deep influence.

[2439] Red Dawn.

[2440] Red Dawn was the famous one.

[2441] Red Dawn in the 80s, it was the Russians.

[2442] And when they remade it, it was North Korea invading America.

[2443] Because they didn't want to have China invading America because they're going to air in China.

[2444] Yeah.

[2445] Yeah.

[2446] It's, you know, Lenin had.

[2447] Lennon has this quote, which he never said, but which is ascribed to him, that the capitalist will give us the noose with which we hang them.

[2448] And it's shocking to me, to what extent, you know, corporate power is just soulless and is just chasing that buck.

[2449] Yeah, well, they have an obligation to their shareholders.

[2450] But it's, it's, that's what's crazy.

[2451] Yeah, I'm very, very, I'm very optimistic about the future of America, but I'm very disturbed about what's going on in East Asia.

[2452] It's amazing how much gets done under the premise of the obligation to shareholders.

[2453] Oh, yeah.

[2454] That's fucking scary.

[2455] You know, I tweet this out, like the hard left analysis of corporate America is a lot closer to the truth than people realize.

[2456] Because we've seen for a year a systemic assault both physically and economically on mom and pop and medium and small business to the enormous consolidation of giant corporations.

[2457] We've never seen everything like this, not even the Great Depression.

[2458] uh...

[2459] during uh...

[2460] wilson i'm a new yorker all my life the best ice cream store in america whenever i go to city i try the weird ice cream ice and vice closed when i was a kid mom immigrant used to take me to century 21 to get cheap clothes they'd be bored of my mind as an adult they started going there my entire life three branches closed every little unique store doesn't have the bank to stay alive after a year whereas target and walmart and amazon they're sitting pretty and new york's becoming a mall yeah it is becoming a mall do you think that's on purpose?

[2461] You really do?

[2462] You don't think that this is just a consequence of the pandemic?

[2463] I think there's an, when you have corporate media and when you have all these big corporations and when things work in a way that favors them, in their minds, it's win -win.

[2464] Because I'm seeing very little concern from politicians about these small businesses that are being destroyed.

[2465] Yeah.

[2466] And we had those big bailouts in 2008 of every bank and no one's bailing out ice and vice.

[2467] No one's bailing out Century 21.

[2468] too bad.

[2469] What about all these waiters and all these cool restaurants?

[2470] My favorite restaurant in New York, Zankeechi.

[2471] I mean, they were like small.

[2472] It's like an Orioland Express car.

[2473] It's a little secret place.

[2474] Maybe I shouldn't be publicizing it.

[2475] I don't know that they're still around.

[2476] It's just, it's very, very sad to me. Because a restaurant is like the ultimate small business.

[2477] It's someone who has a passion and a sense of creativity, who's been a chef and I was like, I'm going to make, share my artistry with food, with people, make a living for it.

[2478] There's not going to be anything like this on earth.

[2479] I went to Joe Beef, your favorite place for my birthday.

[2480] Thank you to Greg.

[2481] It was amazing, but it's also unique.

[2482] You're not going to find something like this in another city.

[2483] And now they're trying to make everything a chain.

[2484] Yeah.

[2485] It really gets me upset.

[2486] And I'm so over in New York now.

[2487] It's making me very, very angry.

[2488] You're so over New York?

[2489] Yeah, what they've done to it.

[2490] My friend John Joseph was just putting on Instagram how bad New York City is now.

[2491] He said it's like a ghost town.

[2492] He said he runs with his dog at night.

[2493] and he takes him out, he's like, it's like a fucking ghost town.

[2494] The trains, New York's train system, which was disgusting and is disgusting, was the pride of the world because it was 24 -7.

[2495] It hasn't been 24 -7 in, what, close to a year.

[2496] You know, it's, and like all the kind of, every neighborhood had its own personality, and that's quickly falling away as all the unique stores that anchored it fall away, all the unique restaurants, all the unique shops.

[2497] It's, and they don't care.

[2498] They don't care.

[2499] Well, politicians haven't lost paychecks because of this.

[2500] Their income has no, there's no correlation between how badly the economy is collapsed in their city and how much the money they make.

[2501] Right.

[2502] And how much power they have and prestige.

[2503] Janice Dean, who works at Fox, she's been doing relentless work on Cuomo and what he did in New York and with the nursing homes and the hypocrisy.

[2504] Gavin Newsom in California out to dinner with all his friends.

[2505] No mask.

[2506] No mask.

[2507] Lied about being outside.

[2508] You would think these people have a little bit of shame and they don't.

[2509] So I'm shocked and delighted that the New York Times started turning on Cuomo by several.

[2510] It's interesting, right?

[2511] It's surprising.

[2512] Well, they know they have to to sort of like the state.

[2513] Yeah, yeah.

[2514] I think the Democratic Party is going to turn on them to the same thing with Cuomo, same thing with Newsom rather, because there's been articles on CNN about Newsom's fall.

[2515] Oh.

[2516] Yeah.

[2517] I think they're going to sacrifice him.

[2518] and let that recall go through the recalls at 1 .45 million now how much do they need they need 1 .5 Wow yeah they're really close it's 1 .4 now yeah it's 1 .4 they need 1 .45 okay so they need basically but they need more than that like 1 .5 is discounted yeah yeah there's going to be a bunch that are discounted so they think they're going to get two they think they're going to get as high as 2 million well there's not going to be any kind of voter fraud in that kind of 2 million right well who knows but what I think is going to have is they're probably going to throw them under the bus and they're probably going to try to figure out to keep a way to keep California blue.

[2519] Because the problem is if they do have a recall, it's going to be, the election is going to be, you're not going to have anybody that's going to, you're not going to have anybody that's going to go after him from the Democrats that would destroy their career.

[2520] And they talked about what happened with Gray Davis in California.

[2521] When Gray Davis was recalled in...

[2522] 2003?

[2523] Yes.

[2524] When Schwarzenegger took over.

[2525] That happened and there was someone from the Democratic Party that went against Gray Davis and their career was over.

[2526] That was it.

[2527] It ended.

[2528] It ended right there.

[2529] That is probably what's going to happen unless someone is like really charismatic who goes against Gavin Newsom.

[2530] But Newsom's been so egregious.

[2531] Everything about what he's done, the fact that he allows public schools to just die off, but private schools can have sports.

[2532] And so these kids in these public schools that were counting on getting some sort of scholarship with sports, they can't do that.

[2533] But kids in private schools can play sports.

[2534] Kids in private schools can go back to school.

[2535] Like there's a lot of crazy shit.

[2536] The fact that his winery was open or other wineries were closed.

[2537] The fact that he went to that French laundry restaurant and lied.

[2538] It was an outdoor event.

[2539] No, it wasn't.

[2540] There's a chandelier over your head, you fuck.

[2541] There's no chandeliers outdoors.

[2542] If you see stars, you're outside.

[2543] If you see a chandelier, that's called a fucking roof.

[2544] I started selling shirts that say governors to Gitmo, governors to gitmo .com to get them, and people love them.

[2545] Because at a certain point, this is something else people need to think about.

[2546] In a few years, we're going to be discussing what personal consequences these politicians have to face for what they've done.

[2547] Yeah.

[2548] Because just voting them out or not getting them a salary is not going to be enough.

[2549] The decisions have been horrendous.

[2550] And the incentives are against them.

[2551] You're going to have, if there's a pandemic, every incentive for you as governor is to err on the side of caution and shut everything down rather than have some risk where everything in Leicest has to have risk.

[2552] Every business person has to have risk.

[2553] So the incentives don't align with their power and it leads to very nefarious consequences.

[2554] Yeah, for sure.

[2555] Look, 75 % of all the businesses or the restaurants, rather, in Los Angeles are gone.

[2556] 70, no. Yeah.

[2557] I had Craig from Craigs and John Terzian, who runs a bunch of restaurants and bars, and they gave me those statistics.

[2558] It said 75 % of the restaurants in Los Angeles are gone.

[2559] Does that even count fast food places who survived?

[2560] No. No, most fast food places are fine.

[2561] But that's the point.

[2562] Is the 25 % going to be Burger King?

[2563] Well, what I think is going to happen is there's going to be quite a few that come back.

[2564] There's going to be really good chefs and really good restaurants.

[2565] And they're going to get loans and they're going to come back.

[2566] But it's going to be hard as fuck and it's going to take a long time.

[2567] But there's going to be a lot that never make it back again.

[2568] And restaurants are traditionally, that's a high risk, low reward.

[2569] Like the amount of room that they have on a regular restaurant in terms of profit margin is so small that Craig was telling me that when they use, when somebody uses DoorDash, like their profit margin, like DoorDash is 18%.

[2570] They take 18%.

[2571] their profit margin is 15%.

[2572] So they lose 3 % when someone uses DoorDash.

[2573] They're just trying to stay open.

[2574] They're just trying to keep their customers engaged.

[2575] They're trying to feed their loyal customers.

[2576] But it's also the whole experience of going to a place.

[2577] Well, they've allowed outdoor dining to reopen in California, but they've stopped showing COVID data, which is hilarious.

[2578] They always promised...

[2579] It's not hilarious.

[2580] No, it's not hilarious.

[2581] It's disgusting.

[2582] But they always promised this transparent approach.

[2583] It's scientific.

[2584] And show this, you've got to trust the science.

[2585] You know, this, Gavin Newsom is always saying that.

[2586] But now they're hiding the data.

[2587] It's like, everyone's furious.

[2588] And there's, you know, there's no options.

[2589] It's like, there's nothing you can do.

[2590] And these people are fucked.

[2591] And there's never been a time where someone came along and prevented you from working.

[2592] Do you know what really kind of triggered me in New York is that Cuomo gave the green light to reopen.

[2593] in like movie theater, beauty salons, jims, whatever, and schools.

[2594] And de Blasio, who's the mayor of New York, said, well, we're not going to let the gyms open for a week or two weeks because we don't have enough inspectors to go around.

[2595] And it's like, have the gym owner hire an inspector pay a fee.

[2596] And I mean, this is the one place where people are concerned with their health.

[2597] De Blasio is the only guy that I find more disgusting than all the rest.

[2598] Well, he's a commie.

[2599] But it's also this kind of like, who are you to just be like, eh, we can't do it.

[2600] So you're going to have to sit and wait in like another two weeks of your savings in livelihood.

[2601] It's this, it's reprehensible.

[2602] He's also a different rules for the and for me guy is, you know, he was going to the gym.

[2603] Of course.

[2604] Yeah, yeah.

[2605] There was a, compilation of all the hypocrisy.

[2606] I think it was Gretchen Whitmer's husband.

[2607] Yeah.

[2608] Was asked about her and he's like, oh, you're, I resent this question.

[2609] No, is the governor of Illinois, maybe, Pittsburgh, Fritzker, whatever his name is.

[2610] I resent this question.

[2611] It's just like where Nancy's Pelosi go in the hair salon and saying they should owe me an apology.

[2612] Yeah.

[2613] It was a setup.

[2614] Yeah.

[2615] It was a setup, yeah, there's so many of them, and they're just showing their skin, they're showing their lizard skin.

[2616] Yeah.

[2617] Yeah, they're peeling their mask back.

[2618] And I think a lot of people correctly are getting very, very, very, very angry.

[2619] I just wonder what they can do other than vote these people out and who are they going to vote in.

[2620] I mean, the influence, yeah, the influence that whoever is controlling these people have on these politicians, it's going to remain pretty similar.

[2621] You know, and the problem is, like, economically, places like L .A. and New York, it's going to be years before they can recover if they ever do it all.

[2622] New York's not going to be New York when it recovers.

[2623] It's going to be Times Square.

[2624] That's scary.

[2625] That's my concern.

[2626] Yeah.

[2627] Why would you come to open a business where the entire infrastructure is designed to spit on you?

[2628] Yeah.

[2629] Well, there's no more disgusting example than what Garcetti did in L .A. where he allowed the move.

[2630] movie did you see that one lady that had outdoor dining when they shut outdoor dining down which by the way there's no evidence at all that outdoor dining is spreading the virus none they shut outdoor dining down this lady had spent thousands of dollars yeah yeah and the cops came yeah and then across the parking lot from her was a movie studio movie studio had set up outdoor dining for their production because productions were allowed to holy shit to restart yeah yeah there's a crazy viral video of this lady crying talking about all the money that she's spent to try to reopen outside and she built this whole outdoor structure and she's barely hanging on and then right then they come down and say they're going to shut down all outdoor dining for no reason and the reason why they do it is optics that's it they have to show that they're doing something oh yeah yeah but right across the parking lot they were doing production for a film and they had outdoor dining out there so she gets to watch the other point i made is this lockdowns has given some very very bad people some very useful information about how much people put up with and it was a lot more than I expected and probably a lot more than you expected and now they have that data and I think they're trying to keep pushing it further and further I think you're right and the whole thing with the double masks now you know it's just like what is that it's a joke is there real data about the double mask I don't well isn't a mask like 90 % so if you do it twice it'll be like 90 if you cover your mouth with rubber you definitely can't breathe out and then you won't get anybody sick so you should cover your mouth with rubber.

[2631] It's, it's, uh, and I think we all know it's going to play out that, first of all, this vaccine, I don't, how efficacious is it?

[2632] Aren't people getting sick after the vaccine?

[2633] I have not heard that.

[2634] Um, I know that there's, um, some talk about Israel.

[2635] Um, if you follow our Alex Berenson's Twitter, it's a constant COVID rant about all the things that are wrong.

[2636] And, you know, there's some of them that, you know, a lot of people are up in arms about, like he's, you know, correlation does not always equal correlation.

[2637] Sure.

[2638] and they're talking about women getting miscarriages after the virus or after the vaccine rather and that is apparently happening some women are getting yeah and but the thing is like would those women have miscarriage yes there's some you're talking about so many people it's hard to know how many women got the vaccine after they were pregnant and didn't have a miscarriage right i don't know but there's no um there's no studies on pregnant women with this vaccine that's really bad yeah and then you think about what this nurse was telling us the the crazy symptoms that she was expressing that she was saying she had from the second dose now imagine if you had a baby inside of you and you're you're shivering and shaking and you're cramping and you're in agony and women that are pregnant are already in you know a compromised state immunologically physically it's painful it's difficult it's they're tired all the time and then boom you hit them with one of those I mean, it's crazy.

[2639] Did you see they're thinking of trying to do a vaccine passport?

[2640] Oh, that drives me nuts.

[2641] That drives me nuts.

[2642] I was, when I got off the plane in New York, there were National Guard there who wouldn't let me leave until I filled out some forms.

[2643] And I let them have it.

[2644] And I was - What forms?

[2645] Where were you?

[2646] Just this whole thing with the New York City, New York State, excuse me. This was at LaGuardia.

[2647] And you had to fill this out?

[2648] You had to fill it out.

[2649] They blocked my exit.

[2650] And I may have said some.

[2651] things that I don't regret, but I won't repeat.

[2652] Is that legal?

[2653] Legal means whatever people in power decided is.

[2654] That's what the law always means.

[2655] During a pandemic.

[2656] Anytime.

[2657] But if someone just implemented that out of nowhere with no pandemic.

[2658] But now they can, because now they could say we did it during the pandemic and now we need it again.

[2659] Now we need it constantly.

[2660] Yeah.

[2661] That's what happens.

[2662] That's TSA.

[2663] Al -Qaeda's not putting shoe bombers on, but we've still got to take off all our shoes.

[2664] It's always going to go in one direction.

[2665] It's never going to liberalize.

[2666] God damn it, Michael Malice.

[2667] I'm trying to end this show on a happy note.

[2668] You're freaking me out.

[2669] Shouldn't have made fun of my body dysmorphine.

[2670] And that's what they call trolling.

[2671] Listen, brother, it was a lot of fun.

[2672] Yes, sir.

[2673] That three hours just flew by.

[2674] Was it three hours?

[2675] Yeah, man. It's 430 already.

[2676] I'm going to say one more thing.

[2677] Someone whose name I won't mention, I did your show, and they're like, how long did it go for?

[2678] And I'm like, three hours.

[2679] And it's like, oh, okay.

[2680] and I didn't realize that when you don't like the people, you don't go the three hours.

[2681] Oh, we'll talk about that later.

[2682] Cut it, Jamie.

[2683] It's not always the case.

[2684] Sometimes it's just, we're done.

[2685] Okay.

[2686] We just have to be done.

[2687] I thought the person was being a bitch.

[2688] Maybe.

[2689] They were.

[2690] Could be.

[2691] Anyway, fun times, Michael Malice.

[2692] Thank you, Joe.

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[2709] All right.

[2710] Goodbye, everybody.