#1622 - Marcus Luttrell

[0] Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

[1] The Joe Rogan Experience.

[2] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[3] What's up?

[4] I like it.

[5] Great.

[6] Thanks for coming, man. One year to the date.

[7] I think we were supposed to do this last year, right when the quarantine hit.

[8] Right.

[9] Because it was April 1st that I called.

[10] Yeah.

[11] I remember because Melanie was yelling at me. She's like, if you call Joe and tell him we're not going to be making it out there, we're not going to be able to make it out there?

[12] I was like, I was putting it off, putting it off.

[13] I was like, bro, I'll get out there.

[14] then they did the lockdown so almost to the day it was spicy a year ago no one knew what was happening crazy right it was a little weird it was now it's like you know nobody's worried anymore we learn fast our people they pick stuff up quick i mean we suffer together then there'll always be those that are trying to figure out a ways to to get us back to where we're supposed to be and that just took some time yeah well it seems like texas did a much better job of relaxing once the pandemic kit where people just you know for some folks it's very dangerous but it seemed it seemed like texas did a much better job of just going like wait a minute why is everybody freaking out over this yeah we can open things up big place too yeah i think that has a lot to do with it because in the outlying towns and there's a lot of things that got shut down and there's some things aren't like money never got shut down so that everything that people still had to go out and they they talk about that herd immunity because what the families is they bunch up with them you get sick locked down get the antibodies but the more spread out in some of the towns they didn't even get it right and then in the big cities it would show up but then just kind of common sense that whole we're going to get through this and always look for the better the better day I mean you can sit there and become a victim of being a victim and fear like I'm so scared to go out because it might be out there well yeah of course it is everything's out there that's what a lot of people are like in L .A. In L .A., there's a tangible feel.

[15] You can feel it.

[16] Yeah, it's in the air.

[17] It's a real thing.

[18] It's a real, real fear.

[19] You know, at the fights, when you're standing there, you can feel that.

[20] Yeah.

[21] You can feel the presence of death when it shows up.

[22] Everything knows if something badder than it was just walked in the room, right?

[23] At the fights, you have to sit around, you can feel that when they walk in.

[24] Yeah.

[25] It's pretty cool.

[26] No, you can.

[27] That's the one energy that, like, right now we've been doing fights with no audience.

[28] It's real weird.

[29] Remember I text you?

[30] I was like, how is that?

[31] It's wild.

[32] If you want to go to one, there's one this weekend in Vegas.

[33] It's the heavyweight championships, Dpe Miochich versus Francis Ngano.

[34] And it's probably one of the last ones we do without an audience.

[35] It's pretty fucking wild.

[36] What are the fighters saying?

[37] Some of them love it.

[38] It's less distractions.

[39] It's quicker for them to get into the octagon.

[40] Once they arrive there, they just warm up and then they go in there.

[41] They don't have to get to the arena, like, early in the day and stay there all day.

[42] It's a different vibe, but it's great.

[43] You know what I compare it to the difference between a concert where you're like at a filled arena with a rock band electric guitars versus a small acoustic show.

[44] Yeah.

[45] That's kind of the difference.

[46] Or like out behind the schoolhouse fighting as opposed to.

[47] Yeah.

[48] You know what I mean?

[49] Because the anticipation of it once that punch goes, if not a lot of people are looking, that's the hardest part about being a fighter, I would imagine.

[50] Everyone's watching you do it.

[51] For some folks, they like it, though.

[52] Some folks perform better when people are watching.

[53] That's what makes them special, right?

[54] Yeah, they want to hear the roar of the crowd.

[55] And some guys would rather just stay calm and just focus on the task at hand and not have any distractions.

[56] So what is that?

[57] What separates fighters like that?

[58] It's interesting.

[59] It's like it's not whether or not they're good because there's great fighters that like both things.

[60] There's great fighters that love the roar of the crowd and there's great fighters that they don't, they're like, I don't give a fuck.

[61] I don't need a crowd.

[62] I just, let's go in a room.

[63] I don't give a fuck.

[64] So a brawler as opposed to somebody who's been trained to fight.

[65] I don't even think it's that.

[66] Are those two different things?

[67] Yeah.

[68] They are right?

[69] Yeah, for sure.

[70] A brawler versus someone's been trained to fight.

[71] The difference is like some people just love to fight and they don't even know how to do it.

[72] But they're good.

[73] Whatever reason, man, they can get it on.

[74] And then there's some people who train to fight and they fight like they've been trained.

[75] Yeah.

[76] It's amazing to see the difference.

[77] Yeah.

[78] Well, I think it's bold people, wild people.

[79] They tend to do well, especially if they're fighting against someone who's not technical, it's not smart.

[80] But there's people that are bold but they temper it.

[81] you know and those people learn how to control it and those are the most dangerous ones fortune favors the bold right yeah but like guys like john jones is a perfect example because he's very bold and wild but he's also super smart and technical like he tempers it he takes his wildness and then he tempers it and that's one of the things that makes him the greatest of all time is because he's he's figured out how to like take all the wild and like when he fought shogun he was 22 years old was fighting for the title he opens up the fight with a flying knee on a legend right i mean nobody does that that's a wild move to do it for an opening move have you talked to him about that i was wondering i was like so what happened that mid moment you're just like i'm gonna give it everything i got he just goes with the feeling he just feels it and just goes it's it's a i've enjoyed watching him fight in his career too especially when it everyone takes a turn in some direction i think he learned more from getting it taken away yeah maybe yeah i think he did because he realized like these poor choices he's making outside of the octagon outside of his career they could ruin everything i mean he has this insane opportunity i mean he had a contract with nike that went away he had all these great things that went away they took his title away he was gone for a while couldn't compete for a while and then he came back and then reestablish himself as as who he is that's the greatest part about this country too man forgive yeah that's a big thing that's missing today right with all this cancel culture bullshit and some girl got just got canceled for some fucking tweet she made when she was 17 like now she's 27 she's a an editor at Vogue or something like that.

[82] Is that what it is?

[83] Like, well, come on, man. You're 17.

[84] You're a fucking kid.

[85] You don't know what you're doing.

[86] I've been off the offline for a little while.

[87] Is the cancel code?

[88] Good.

[89] Okay.

[90] I'm just checking back in.

[91] Is there, is that a group?

[92] Is there a leader who pushes?

[93] I don't know.

[94] I don't know.

[95] Is that a bad question?

[96] No, it's perfect question.

[97] I mean, I don't know.

[98] You really don't know.

[99] That's why I don't.

[100] That's what I'm asking.

[101] I'm like, who runs that?

[102] Stay ignorant.

[103] Okay.

[104] Keep away from it.

[105] All right.

[106] It's no, it's just, it's just people are being bullies and you know what it is it's like political correctness once it gets established that there's things that people want you to say and don't want you to say then there's people that are going to be bullies that when someone steps out of the line or when someone says something's questionable they're going to try to attack them what it really is is a bunch of like really shitty human beings that just want an excuse to go after someone and they want to pretend they're doing it because they're morally outraged but really they're just shitty human beings without any empathy and without any forgiveness.

[107] That's what a lot of it is.

[108] And they find an opportunity to attack someone.

[109] And then there's also a lot of people that are bored.

[110] They don't have anything to do during this pandemic.

[111] And they're also, they have mental health problems because they've been locked up inside their house and they're losing their job and they're losing their career.

[112] And then they just attack people.

[113] It's a lot of what it is.

[114] It's just, it's social media shows some of the worst aspects of human beings.

[115] Well, it's the collective consciousness of everybody, right?

[116] Yeah.

[117] If you see it on there, someone's thinking it.

[118] Yeah.

[119] And in a way, that cancel culture makes you earn what you said if you said it i mean it's got to be both ways you can be bullies because we know those you're gonna i grew up around them i'm sure if you're a fighter like i know you are i had to do the same thing it was for a reason yeah those of us who train hard enough we we get into the point where you kind of now it's i'm designed to train people from myself right right right and with the cancel culture it's the people ask me about my reputation i was like well i earned mine i mean that's just how it is so So when, I guess it's making everybody atone for what they've been saying.

[120] There's that, yeah, but there's also the lack of forgiveness.

[121] Well, that's the internet.

[122] Toning you for what you're saying is fine.

[123] And I think we should all agree when we've made mistakes to recognize those mistakes.

[124] And to also recognize that you're evolving.

[125] You know, when you're talking about someone, especially that girl was 17, Jesus Christ, thank God there wasn't social media when I was 17.

[126] Yeah, that's unbelievable what they would do.

[127] that to her because I mean that says you can't grow exactly and we change probably what every nine years 10 years maybe and we go through a cycle and what that was kind of baffling to me when they would bring something up that they did from high school was like you drink beer in high school yeah didn't everybody else I thought that was the point and then you're like well you know I grew I learned and then now it's it's okay to change I think you're supposed to I think it's also there's what social media is too it's a new tool and some people are abusing it they don't know how to use it correctly and there's no real established cultural rules as to how to use it correctly and how to call people out when they're using it they're being really shitty with it absolutely yeah it's growing like a family right it kind of starts out and everyone when you plug into that thing it's like plugging into a virtual game yeah so how what kind of how good are you in that game right because you can get come at they'll come at you from every angle you can also turn the game off yeah step away from it those people who they get nasty tech text message or threads about, man, that could be somebody in a completely different.

[128] Hell, that could be dead for all you know.

[129] Some people keep up with their social media threads from years ago, and they'll open that back up and read it and get pissed about it.

[130] I'm like, why would you even say that?

[131] Exactly.

[132] I mean, theoretically, it should probably erase every day because you start a new day every day.

[133] If you're dragging that old stuff in there, you're just going to keep being upset about it.

[134] That's a good point, but they want to define you by things you said 10 years ago.

[135] That's the idea behind it, I guess.

[136] That's going to be tough.

[137] It's fucking stupid.

[138] It's stupid.

[139] It's just the problem is it's still written down, so it still looks like you just said it.

[140] Yeah, of course.

[141] No, that's my point.

[142] Look what he says.

[143] Like, no, man, that's way past that.

[144] Yeah, if someone remember something you said in high school, you remember call that girl a cunt?

[145] Like, ah, did I?

[146] I was drinking.

[147] I don't remember.

[148] Right.

[149] But if it's written down somewhere, it's almost like you said it yesterday.

[150] Right.

[151] Yeah.

[152] True statement.

[153] How do you get past that one, right?

[154] I mean, that's where you.

[155] It's a good question.

[156] Like, I apologize for that back in the day.

[157] That's a good question.

[158] How do we get past that?

[159] That's the problem.

[160] things being documented.

[161] You don't accept a person for who they are now.

[162] You want to pretend that they are who they were when they were 15 or whatever.

[163] Sure.

[164] Well, that's when you're not supposed to judge somebody, really, kind of on a lot of stuff.

[165] Life's hard.

[166] Everyone's reality is their own.

[167] It's perfect when you're by yourself, right?

[168] When you wake up in the morning, perfect reality.

[169] Me too.

[170] I get up, look in the mirror, everything's good.

[171] Yeah.

[172] As soon as you walk out and run into somebody else's reality, whatever, they're swinging.

[173] If you ain't ready for it, it's true.

[174] I mean, it'll hit you.

[175] Yeah.

[176] And you put yourself in positions to deal with different realities.

[177] And a lot of times people think it's, oh, look, these guys, they're doing this, they're tough.

[178] And you go in it.

[179] You're not ready for that.

[180] Not saying you can't be ready for it, but training is everything.

[181] Yeah.

[182] Every emotion that you have that you're born with is raw.

[183] You spend your entire life training each one of them.

[184] And I don't care how old you are.

[185] If you get into a situation for the first time, you'll always react like a child.

[186] Because it just hadn't been trained in that kind of environment for that emotion.

[187] Love, hate, race.

[188] age, truth, all that stuff.

[189] Yeah.

[190] I think that's one of the things that I think is very important for people, too, is to do new things.

[191] So you experience, the feeling of being a beginner again.

[192] Isn't that great?

[193] Yeah, I love it.

[194] Walking in the gym is a white belt in that new class, right?

[195] Man, I know enough to where I should perform, but I don't want to get my ass.

[196] That's the scariest thing, I think, for people in the martial science and, like, jihitsu, they don't want to go in the, minute you walk in there that it's like an octagon, you're just going to get your ass handed to you.

[197] They don't realize that it's not.

[198] No, just show up, and then we'll start from what you don't know.

[199] Yeah, they're going to treat you like a beginner, and they're going to be kind to you.

[200] That's why they're called teeth.

[201] I mean, the good ones, you'll get hooked like that.

[202] Yeah, it's just a matter of having the courage to be a beginner, and that's where a lot of people, they just don't know how to humble themselves like that.

[203] Ego.

[204] Yeah, ego.

[205] That's one of the ones you've got to get past.

[206] Sure.

[207] Pride, the seven virtues and the seven sins, right?

[208] Yeah.

[209] Those two things run together.

[210] That's why if you hook up with a girl who runs on the same sin, you do and likes to exploit it, it's going to be one hell of a ride.

[211] If you marry your opposite, your kids would probably be perfect.

[212] Yeah.

[213] Right, there'll be a splice.

[214] Right, right.

[215] Yeah, you'll have both teachers, too.

[216] But if you kind of, one train, one party, whew.

[217] Yeah, yeah.

[218] My wife is nothing like me, thank God.

[219] No, absolutely.

[220] One or something to me too.

[221] That's how it works, right?

[222] That's how it works.

[223] I don't want to marry someone like me. That's crazy.

[224] They wouldn't want to marry someone.

[225] Exactly.

[226] You got to be that opposite.

[227] When they do, marriage is funny.

[228] The stuff that you figure out going through it because you figure out the differences.

[229] I never knew that we could be sitting somewhere and listening to somebody talk.

[230] We hear the same sentence, but what we interpret are two different things.

[231] You know what I'm talking about?

[232] You and I can be having a conversation and everyone will understand it, but we're talking about something different.

[233] And when I figured that out, I was talking to the wife one day.

[234] We're at the vet.

[235] And there was a pamphlet on there, had some babies and some puppies.

[236] And it said, protect them from danger, protect them for life.

[237] And I was kind of in a grumpy mood anyway.

[238] And I was like, hey, what does that mean to you?

[239] She's like, just what it says.

[240] Protect them from danger, protect them for life.

[241] I was like, right.

[242] But eventually, if I always protect them from danger, I'll always have to protect them for their life.

[243] There's got to be a transition to when you kind of turn it around and you're pushing them back out to earn their spot.

[244] And then Melanie will get in some arguments about something.

[245] And I realize if it goes past a couple of different conversations, conversations that we're saying the same thing just differently right and I'll just back up and I kind of stop you know talking just to let her calm down but it's it's the communication I'd say I'm like our relationships like the weather channel constant updates I mean tell me what you're thinking you know guys we we stuck in the same path and for whatever reason they shift off of it that's got a Lord's way of saying you know I'm teaching you something what's also I don't think you and I are ever going to understand how a woman feels there's no way I can't imagine yeah I guess whatever universe is It's awfulness, in its infinite wisdom, designed it that way.

[246] There's no way you can.

[247] You can guess, but that's what it is.

[248] It's a lot of guesswork.

[249] Isn't that great?

[250] Yeah.

[251] With guys like us, we train for everything.

[252] Right.

[253] I mean, trained to see it, and when it walks in to deal with it, if need be.

[254] And she'll walk in sometimes, and I don't even know what.

[255] I'm like, what?

[256] Yeah, they're coming at things from a totally different angle.

[257] Yeah.

[258] But, you know, I mean, they're making all the people inside their bodies.

[259] imagine that just imagine being a person who makes human beings in your body isn't that amazing it's crazy so the the reason our muscles on the outside of our fat is because we take pain on the outside like if you see a woman and reverse us their muscles on the inside of their fat if a woman's had nine baby she's a UFC champion I mean she could take a beat down right right the amount of punishment oh I mean I watched my wife give birth to our kids and I was like honey you're the toughest thing I ever seen you know back in the day when they split you know man and woman standing for the first time and God was like, which one of you don't want to have to go through this?

[260] I'm going to show you what it's like.

[261] The dude was like, I'll be outside working in the garden, man, I'll take care of everything.

[262] There's no way I'm doing that.

[263] Yeah, if a baby came through your dick and made your dick explode and they had to sew it back up every time, there'd be four people on the planet.

[264] Bro, after a bunch of surgeries, I had to take Vicodin and man, that stuff would stop you.

[265] I feel like your packs.

[266] Oh, yeah.

[267] A Volkswagen out to backside.

[268] And just going through that.

[269] Yeah.

[270] I was crying.

[271] Yeah, the Vicodin and all that stuff, the painkillers and the constipation man that's a weird one right like a a joke to make sure you don't stay on it that long i think that joke doesn't work like yeah a couple lessons you a lesson but some people didn't get that lesson i know i think it ranges for everybody i mean i had a bunch of surgeries so i never touched anything before i got in i wasn't allowed to so it's comical going through some of that stuff what is it like to have a movie about one of the worst experiences of your life.

[272] Yes.

[273] Thank you for asking it like that.

[274] No one ever has.

[275] It's an honor to do that, to be a part of that.

[276] And it's funny because people are like, hey, they made a movie and the books, and it was great.

[277] I was like, man, it's about me getting my ass whipped.

[278] As a fighter and a warrior, those are usually the stories you don't want out.

[279] So I'm in the lost column.

[280] I carry a lot of weight.

[281] 19 promises.

[282] I never forget it.

[283] So I walk around.

[284] I always remind myself.

[285] I could run into somebody who knows or loved one of them or one of their family members.

[286] So I'll always carry myself a certain way.

[287] I have to you.

[288] That was the deal I made to get me out of the mountain.

[289] People asked me who my heroes are.

[290] Everybody who had to come fetch me out of hell.

[291] I was in there pretty deep.

[292] And the way that lined out, it's a great story if you want to hear.

[293] I mean, the whole process.

[294] I would love to hear it.

[295] It's funny on the way up here.

[296] I was like, man, how does this interview you're going to go?

[297] And I was watching Joe Dirt last night.

[298] I was like, let's do it like that.

[299] You want to start from the beginning?

[300] Brought tell you're stuff you can believe.

[301] I'm glad you said, let's start.

[302] off with whiskey.

[303] As soon as you said that, I'm like, this is going to go great.

[304] It is.

[305] Yeah.

[306] I only drink whiskey with my friends.

[307] And you know, the reason we say that is because the things that come out when you drink whiskey.

[308] Yeah.

[309] So I've been looking forward to this.

[310] We've been friends for a while.

[311] I thought we should have a good time with it.

[312] 100%.

[313] Yeah.

[314] You know, I watched the movie again last night.

[315] I watched it yesterday just to prepare myself.

[316] And, uh...

[317] I haven't seen it.

[318] I never watched it all the way through.

[319] I know the director's cut.

[320] You know what I'm Oh, yeah.

[321] So it was...

[322] I can imagine.

[323] It was something to back it up to the book and how that all happened.

[324] Or you back it up to the military, wherever you want to start.

[325] We can go all different directions with it.

[326] But I was in the hospital.

[327] So when I got back, I was in the hospital for a while, and then they...

[328] I went back into the teams and started doing another workup for deployment.

[329] And then in between that, I was getting called to the boss's house.

[330] I've always been watched over on high ground That was a blessing Because so many of our guys died And we had a fallen angel When we have a fallen angel You all always hear about it Like normally if seals die or something It's on the bottom of the ticker Or only the family members here But we had a fallen angel Which means we have an aircraft going down And I didn't know about it Actually when the mission started Because everyone who knew about our operation Was on the helicopter That's why I was out there for so long and I remember I was in I just got out of the hospital and I was doing physical therapy at the team and they called me up and they said hey we're going to debrief or we're going to declassify part of this operation and we're going to put it out into a book and I was like okay I didn't know what that met well then they pulled me back up to the to the to the headsheds where we had this big meeting and they brought they assigned to me the I mean I was privileged enough to have to have to the headsheds where the we had this big meeting and they brought they brought they assigned to me the I mean I was privileged enough to have.

[331] the best lawyers the best writers like I interviewed with everybody until I found a fit like I got to travel around like when Patrick and I met he came out to the house my mother fell in love with him so that's how we knew he was gonna and I had to live with him so I would actually wake up on Sunday or Monday morning and go into work do a workup fixing to deploy and then on Fridays I'd have to fly to Cape Cod and I would sit with Patrick and tell him the story and then Sunday night I'd fly back Patrick Robinson yeah he's the guy you wrote the guy you wrote the He was, yeah.

[332] Because my name wasn't in the book.

[333] It wasn't supposed to be anything like that.

[334] I was still operational.

[335] And then I deployed back to Iraq in 06 and 07.

[336] I ripped Jocko out.

[337] I know you'd met him.

[338] Love Jocko.

[339] Great guy.

[340] And he loves you.

[341] And he loves you one of my bosses.

[342] He got so excited when he heard you were coming on.

[343] He texted me and we went back and forth.

[344] Hey, something.

[345] I called him.

[346] He's just, what you see is what you get.

[347] You ever notice his face looks like it could perfectly fit in a Spartan helmet?

[348] You know what I'm talking about?

[349] Oh, yeah.

[350] He's always, I mean, he's the, when it comes to leadership.

[351] Break glass in case of war.

[352] We have those guys.

[353] Yeah.

[354] They're real.

[355] I know you've met some of them.

[356] Yeah, we need those guys.

[357] They exist.

[358] They're terrifying.

[359] I'm so happy they're real.

[360] Yeah, they're real.

[361] Yeah.

[362] And Jocko is my, he's the archetype.

[363] Yeah.

[364] He was the reason why he was over Chris and Michael and Mark.

[365] If you notice in the SEAL teams, all of our Medal of Honor guys are named Michael, we ever noticed that?

[366] No. Yeah.

[367] yeah those are called mark angels they always get the mail of honor you get a mark and a michael running together and the seal team something bad is gonna go down so you always we joke about that but when the book came out i was in iraq i remember the lawyers and everybody would they would write me emails and like please don't die and i was like well trying not to thanks jesus christ so i got hurt in iraq again and when i got back they positioned me out of the seal teams and then they kind of rewrote that part put my name in it my just job was to go around and tell you about your boys and what they did and how hard they fought and they died and that was the greatest job it was the hardest job i ever had to do because i remember when they pulled me offline as an operator and the admiral was sitting there telling me he's like son you're going to do more for the seal teams than you ever did in combat and that was i thought that was kind of an insult i was like what do you mean right i was like do i need to work out harder do i need he's like no this is what you need to do so i did that and i traveled around and i told you guys and then the movie hollywood came calling so i got stationed to live there they actually sat me down and introduced me to all the directors and we had to find the fit and then once pete and i linked up for the first time rest is kind of i mean peterberg yeah peterberg god damn he nailed it man i know you haven't seen it because you've seen the director's cut right yeah yeah but uh he he he fucking nailed it that guy's a hell of a director he you know it just there was no bullshit in that movie you know there's a certain amount of bullshit and i don't know if there's any bullshit in terms of like the reality of the experience versus the the film version of it but there was no no gloss to that film so the way we i'll talk about when i met p for the first i'm so i got pulled up to l .a to interview all all of them.

[368] I was traveling around, just getting to meet all of everybody.

[369] Oliver Stone.

[370] I sat down in front of him.

[371] I mean, they went through me through the guy.

[372] I had lunch.

[373] Yeah, it was pretty, I remember meeting him because I wanted to.

[374] He was a veteran, right?

[375] Yeah.

[376] And I love that guy.

[377] The lawyer that I got assigned to, he was great.

[378] Alan Schwartz is his name.

[379] And for those, have you ever seen Spaceballs?

[380] Yes.

[381] Okay.

[382] The Schwartz and Spaceballs?

[383] Yeah.

[384] It's named after him.

[385] So he's Mel Brooks.

[386] his attorney.

[387] This is real.

[388] That's crazy.

[389] This is crazy.

[390] That was one of the coolest things why I got to meet him.

[391] And I was like, wait a minute, you're the Schwartz?

[392] He's like, yeah.

[393] So I got like signed to him and then my literary agent was this guy named Ed Victor.

[394] He's since passed, but he was great because he was a British guy, tall, skinny, and he would wear the sweaters with tight around his neck and the white and black wingtips, dressed to the nines, had that awesome accent.

[395] And he would tell him, he's like, Marcus, darling, I'm the seal in this world just in this environment just let me take care of this what he's saying me how dare he yeah and i just kind of like roger that because if you're the resident expert something i'll always drop in right beside you so i was traveling around and i'd been in l .a for a couple days and i was supposed to get back to the base and they were like wait there's one more guy who wants to meet you his name's peter berg and i didn't register in my head i couldn't put the name to if he's been around forever he's like he's down on the set uh filming a movie called hancock of will smith and i was supposed to get on my plane but we went late and missed my flight he's like just go down there and see him and i was like all right so we dropped down there and he's sitting in his chair and then uh there's a train scene so there's a huge train and will standing i got to meet him it's pretty cool and pete walks up peterberg he's like hey let's take a walk i was like all right and we sat down on this park bench uh overlooking the water he's like this is what i think of this this is what i want to do and he kind of shot me straight he's like before i say anything else i want to show you a movie that i just filmed and I want you to watch it so I got to go to the theater and watch this movie and then the next day it was his attention to detail.

[396] He like focused on the stuff that you would normally miss which makes it kind of realistic and I was like okay it's yours I was like know this if you screw this up if you do anything to dishonor any of my friends I'll kill you and he didn't know what to do about that and I mean the look on his face because I shook his hand and I had his hand and I was like okay here's the deal it's yours if you want it If you screw it up, I'll have to, you know, no, no, nothing personal.

[397] For real.

[398] And right when that happened, I mean, he took it.

[399] We made him go to all of our tree.

[400] He got, the door was open for him because it was an assignment.

[401] Most of everything else, the books and the movies and everything, and they were shut down.

[402] Except for this one.

[403] So when the Navy's got your back and, you know, the SEAL teams, man, that's how that works.

[404] So we sent him overseas.

[405] He had to go live with, I mean, the guy went through some stuff.

[406] He came back early and didn't tell me about it because some of the stuff.

[407] he saw and i was like hey it's real right it's real and he's like that's all i needed to see to change how i feel i was like okay well let's do this man and then it started oh so he went overseas and experienced what did he experience they they embedded him with a seal platoon oh jesus he got to see them guys and how they it's a really cool story i'll let him tell it because of what he got to see and what he got to do and some of the guys called me from the deployment they were like hey we put pete through the ringer i was like good because of what he was stepping into and um i mean to this day we're still best buddies i talked to his son yesterday he kind of comes over and we do like he teaches my kids some things and i teach his kids some things and it's just uh everywhere i i go i was always talked to make a friend over money right because those are the that's the best cash you can have as a friend and um getting to live with him and experience that hollywood lifestyle was was amazing i remember showing up at his house the first day i was like man why does this place looks so familiar he's like o j's how house is right he lived in Brentwood he's like OJ's house is right there I was like oh yeah okay and then it just got crazy from there first time he took me out I mean those those are great stories wow Peter's an interesting guy he's a he's a director that you can tell when you watch his movies like that motherfucker cares like he's not just pumping out some homogenized pasteurized product that he thinks that will sell well like you there's a piece of him that gets into those movies.

[408] You know what I'm saying?

[409] Absolutely.

[410] I would agree with that.

[411] And I think once what happened when he had to film Lone, that we blanketed the set with team guys.

[412] He had to live with us.

[413] I mean, we'd go over to, there's some of the guys would show up at his house in the middle of the night, grab him out of bed, spray him with bare mace, throw him in the pool, take all the liquor in his bar and leave.

[414] That's what he had to deal with.

[415] I mean, you've got buddies now in our community.

[416] that's like i mean just show up and be like yeah i love it that you need that you need that the people that don't understand it's because we protect you like no one i mean we we're hard and everything but it's always out of yeah love right well there there needs to be people like you out there and people that don't understand that there's people that are worried about all these different transgressions and microaggressions and all the fucking all the bullshit in the world you don't understand like the only way you get to have have the kind of freedom where you're concerned with microaggressions is if you have seals.

[417] That's the only way.

[418] It's the only way.

[419] If you have hard people.

[420] There's an old, what is it, a Winston Churchill?

[421] What is, who's the guy that made that quote about the reason why people sleep well at night is because hard men are out there?

[422] This is, it's a famous quote, but it couldn't be more accurate.

[423] I think it's a Winston Churchill.

[424] Willing to die if necessary, protect the blanket freedom that you sleep under?

[425] Yes.

[426] Sand the wall.

[427] There's, we, we, we, the, you know, it's.

[428] You know, there's that old expression that hard times make hard men, hard men make easy times, easy times make soft men, soft men make hard times.

[429] And there's this cycle, and we are in the worst part of that cycle right now, what the Hindus call the Kaliuga.

[430] And this situation we're in now, it's like we've had all these blanket protections.

[431] We've had all this softness, and we've had people like you out there protecting us from the worst aspect.

[432] of human nature and then because of that people get soft and uncomfortable and then they look for all these weird reasons why people are evil and people are bad they don't understand real evil they don't get it they don't they've never experienced what you've experienced and it's my belief that only people like you that have stared into the heart of evil that have stared into the heart of darkness that have been there that have lost brothers and get got as close to to a human being as close to you can to losing your own life and come back, you can tell people what the fuck is really going on when people are at their worst.

[433] We are, at our worst, we are territorial primates.

[434] We've always been this way.

[435] At our best, we are brothers and lovers and family and comrades and we unite each other.

[436] At our worst, we're divisive, And we're looking to diminish people and dismiss people at our best.

[437] We're looking to build people up and we're looking to help people.

[438] And these lessons are, they're so wide.

[439] It's so hard to gather up all the information to make a good assessment of what it means to be a person.

[440] But one of the things, one of the lessons, one of the most important pieces of information, what it means to be a person is the people that have gone through the worst, and the worst is war.

[441] The most dangerous thing down here is an undisciplined human mind.

[442] Yes.

[443] Period.

[444] Yes.

[445] And the only way you can know true happiness is we know true pain.

[446] And we do cycle through life.

[447] I mean, that's why the history books are there.

[448] It shows every one of those perpetual cycles.

[449] I think there's four of them.

[450] In order for someone who had to go through something so hard to obtain something so great to enjoy it, then you'd want to pass that down.

[451] Well, that next general will never understand it.

[452] They just don't.

[453] And then that one cycle feeds the other.

[454] other until as we transfer through time look at the atrocities we've done to each other yeah we are family you go back far enough there wasn't that many of us and just kind of branched out and we populated this place you ever run across anybody we just automatically like them like hey yeah because you know you probably can like we're family yeah and then there's people that they're opposite of your magnet like you can tell and when they come in swinging something it all depends on where they're from what they're going through and as we go through our life and we go through those hard times It's incumbent upon us to look back into our hard times To understand what somebody at a certain age is going through Ages rank Can't get ahead of it, can't get below it You can study something just like in school If you were a freshman study some senior stuff But you're still going to have to go through the class Like with the millennials, they have the iPhone Like they can touch a picture on that screen It'll show up to the door That sounds made up, right?

[455] It just does They have way too much information And not enough life experience And that's kind of a good thing and a bad thing Because life will teach that some people get consumed by certain things and go down certain rabbit holes and can't get out of it that's always important to remember we have a saying in a family don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff like man you just know you can get wrapped up some stuff they'll consume you and if you're always wrapped up about it that means it's not supposed to you're not supposed to be getting all worked up about it it's designed to keep you like in a game it's just to hold you in that one thing while everyone else keeps moving you got to figure it out yeah it's like a game of life imagine when you come in here you come in here dying.

[456] The minute you're delivered on your back, butt -necked, you're dying.

[457] So you actually learn how to live while you're dying down here.

[458] And in that are all the emotions that you're training.

[459] So if you, before you came down here, imagine you wrote your story out.

[460] Would it all be good times?

[461] No, of course not.

[462] Man, you want trap challenges and everything in between.

[463] The only way you can, like I said, you can appreciate your hard times is when you've had the good ones.

[464] The only way.

[465] That's it.

[466] We don't have bad ones.

[467] There's just nothing you've been trained for.

[468] Right.

[469] Yeah.

[470] That's my feeling about L .A. The weather's too good.

[471] It is.

[472] It's so good.

[473] You've won the weather lottery.

[474] You don't understand.

[475] I grew up in Boston and it's cold as fuck for five months out of the year.

[476] And if you don't, I appreciate sunny days.

[477] Like people, one of the time I went hunting one of my friend, Steve Ronella, and we went to Prince of Wales in Alaska and it was raining every day, all day long.

[478] Like, you're always wet.

[479] The sleeping bag's wet.

[480] Your clothes are wet.

[481] Everything's wet.

[482] It's the rainiest place in North America, maybe on Earth.

[483] And when I came back home, I was in L .A., and the sun was shining, and I took a hot shower, and it was just like, man, and I called them up.

[484] I go, dude, I have never been this happy.

[485] I've never been so happy just to experience sun.

[486] And I realized, like, the only reason I'm so happy is because I experienced rain for five, six days in a row.

[487] Like, you don't experience that feeling of, like, relief unless you've experienced the feeling of being under the gun of something under the pressure of under the the the the feeling of never getting warm always being cold always shivering always being soaked you don't appreciate it so in la everybody's like constantly it's constantly sunny they don't get it like you need cold weather you need rain you need all those things we need to we need to see everything and with human beings they need sorrow they need sadness they need happiness they need anger they need enemies they need lovers they need friends we need the whole thing to be able to figure it out there's lessons absolutely 100 % and i was sitting down with one of the elders in the family the other day during the quarantine beautiful day we just sat on the front porch and rock chairs and joined it and the next day it was storming and i kind of looked over at him i was like did you order this up he's like well you can't have a perfect day every day because somebody else won't have one so the grandmother loves the storms the rain i do too i love it when the seasons change and the cold weather and that's the best part about having them and then you have the beach bunny he's like mel's a beach bunny and she loves the sunny weather but she loves me then she has to love that part too so you you learn to appreciate each one of those for what they are because one thing has to feed the other yeah or you get Seattle where you that's different talk to people in Seattle I'm like you got to get out it rains every day it's too much this ain't good get out we do our cold weather yeah we do our cold weather training up there oh yeah in the puget sound oh that's where i do or cold weather diving.

[488] Some of the hardest stuff I ever had to do.

[489] And then we would get a chance to go into Seattle.

[490] We'd catch the ferry and go into Seattle.

[491] And it's always raining all the time.

[492] It's always cold.

[493] It's beautiful out there, but it's always miserable.

[494] It's like where people are always unhappy.

[495] If you don't have some of the sun in your life, you kind of...

[496] But then again, those people make some of the most interesting music.

[497] Like, look at Nirvana.

[498] That came out of that pain.

[499] It comes out of that whole environment feeds itself.

[500] Yeah.

[501] Best music ever is when we were growing up in the 90s.

[502] I mean, that hip hop came on.

[503] then you had the grunge, and it was kind of our, all of our generations melding together.

[504] I mean, it just, when I looked back at what we had to go, because we're hybrids, we're a little bit of the old and a little bit of the new.

[505] We have no tech, and then we got the tech.

[506] So, Gen X, right?

[507] You sit right at the beginning of that, if I'm not mistaken.

[508] So as we made that transition over, I mean, look at the mistakes we made with the first camera phones.

[509] And getting that tech.

[510] Back then, you had to remember every phone number.

[511] There wasn't the names of putting an alphabetical order for you and all that stuff like that.

[512] So when we see our kids with their tech, I'm like, maybe I should hold that back from them, but I'm like, well, they got to have it.

[513] But then I'm going to teach them a little bit of how to live off the land in case they lose it.

[514] So all that stuff is a tool.

[515] As they progress through their age, I'll hold on to something.

[516] And then sometimes I'll give it to them and then see what they do with it.

[517] I remember the first time I saw one of those $400 Nintendo switches on the ground.

[518] I was like, what is this?

[519] I was like, who am I going to get mad at?

[520] The 45 -year -old who gave it to the kid who put it on the ground or the kid who didn't understand it when he got it.

[521] Yeah.

[522] So I learned more from them than I do, you know, from everybody else.

[523] It's funny.

[524] It's how you open yourself up.

[525] It's almost like the mistakes have to be made so that people correct.

[526] It's like there's no way to get through it smooth where the mistakes aren't made.

[527] The mistakes have to be made.

[528] Like all the dumb shit has to be done.

[529] It does no way.

[530] You don't just figure it out and just do the right thing every time and move through life like an enlightened being.

[531] Like, you have to fuck up.

[532] Yeah, well, you'd be an asshole then.

[533] You'd beat Dr. Manhattan.

[534] I'm not like, right, really?

[535] Someone who just gets it.

[536] In Hollywood, they call them mistakes.

[537] You get to redo them.

[538] And the civilian world would call them mistakes.

[539] Yeah.

[540] So if you think about it like that, with us and the SEAL teams, if you're not trying to get away with something, you ain't trying.

[541] But the minute you get busted, you fess up.

[542] like oh yeah sure and then you take your licks and then you're going about it that that's how they if you try to perpetuate it or like where we're from if you don't know something be like man I don't know but I'll get back to you I'll go study that and I'll come back at you let me let me think about it we're always taught to receive reflect respond receive reflect respond right don't run to your death there's plenty of time to get into something just to see what this chess game is and you hear those phrases those little phrases over life and they mean something but they don't mean at at that time you didn't get it right it's kind of like later in life right from zero to four you just have an opinion first 40 years of your life's supposed to be in darkness man you're walking around trying to figure out what you're not and then when that kicks over you see things it's a switch i think like on your birthday and then you're like oh all right and then you have to see the other side of it like you run into yourself again yeah because the only easy day was yesterday it's gone tomorrow we don't have any idea if it's going to show up you got one day down here man you wake up you give it everything you got everything you got everything you're going to need for your day is probably around you the further you go away from it further you're going away from your day and don't try to carry one of them suckers are too heavy let the day carry you and whatever you run into man run into it and give it all you got good bad or indifferent that's not a thing people made that word up just to make themselves feel better it's how it is yeah and then like with us you see when you open yourself up in every avenue that we have i know there's people in here they say stuff and you're like, man, I understand that.

[543] I thought like that too.

[544] At that time, I get it.

[545] But this is why I went through this and made me see this part.

[546] And the beautiful part is being able to acknowledge that and to talk about it.

[547] Not when we yell at the, not yelling at them, but when you tell them something, they can just close off.

[548] I'm like, well, man, if you don't want to listen, then why we even have a conversation?

[549] Because there was just two of us down here, we talk about everything.

[550] Yeah.

[551] You know what I mean?

[552] Yeah.

[553] That's one of the best aspect.

[554] about podcasts, especially when you add whiskey, so that people will talk about everything.

[555] Yeah.

[556] And then people are hearing this, and it's in an intimate way.

[557] They're hearing it in their ears.

[558] You know, a lot of them are running right now, listening on earbuds or they're driving in their car on the way to work, and they're listening to the speaker by themselves.

[559] And they're a part of this conversation, you know?

[560] You know what I'm saying?

[561] Isn't that cool?

[562] Yeah, it is cool.

[563] That's the best, I mean, there are some great things about tech.

[564] There's been some great inventions, air, Conditioning, tire, yoga pants, a podcast.

[565] Electro cars.

[566] Yeah, electric cars.

[567] There's a lot of shit that's cool.

[568] Listen, I'm a tech fan.

[569] I love tech.

[570] I just think you need to understand tissue.

[571] You understand cells and souls and bones.

[572] And you need to understand that things are fragile.

[573] You understand that bones break and, you know, your consciousness can be taken away from you.

[574] All those things are real.

[575] And if you don't understand those, I think you're walking through life like, like a kid with a trust fund you don't you don't know how it was earned you don't know who you are you don't know why you're there like we all know that trust fund kids these like there's an expression that i've said before it's not always true but it's pretty true because it can be mitigated but show me the son of a great man who's also a great man it's very rare yeah of course because it's hard because once your your dad's carved an easy path for you you don't you don't become the same type of person.

[576] No. My father will always tell me he's not, he wasn't my friend.

[577] He's like, I'm not your friend, I'm your father.

[578] And I never understood why he said that to me until I had kids.

[579] And the reason being is because we do stupid things with our friends.

[580] I still do.

[581] I still have the same friends I've had since we were boys.

[582] And the reason I have them is because they possess a strength that I have as a weakness.

[583] So when we're together, I don't feel vulnerable.

[584] But you take one of them away, then you kind of notice that it's gone.

[585] And my father would always tell me, he's like, I'm going to give you two things throughout this life.

[586] I'm going to give you discipline.

[587] And through discipline, you're going to gain respect.

[588] Respect for yourself and respect for other people.

[589] Only time you ever lose your respect is when you throw your discipline away.

[590] Period.

[591] You're the only one that can lose it.

[592] My shoes aren't here for you to fill, but you can walk in them every now and again if you need it.

[593] And the reason I, I mean, I thought my father was the hardest man. You know, he would whip.

[594] God, man. It was like iron fist, right?

[595] My mother was a hippie and my father was a bit of an outlaw.

[596] He was a chemical engineer, a smartest man I ever met, but just the only time I get ever line out of line like with my mother kind of talking back nothing bad but it's a matriarchal family kind of the women run the show so the only time i'd ever see him was when he'd tune me up for that and then the hard lessons he learned on me as i was growing up he just did him on purpose because he could put the pressure on and take it off and then when i ran into it in life when it won't come off i was ready right so i i say that to my my kids now i'm like i'm not your damn friend And it drives Melanie crazy.

[597] He's like, I'm your father, period.

[598] Don't ever forget that.

[599] I was like, there's somebody who's got to keep you in check to make sure that...

[600] And it says it in the Bible.

[601] You ain't supposed to like your dad.

[602] It says it.

[603] Does it?

[604] It does.

[605] What does it say?

[606] You're loved and beloved by your mother.

[607] Reason being is because there's probably four generations of men.

[608] I bet you loved your granddaddy.

[609] Right.

[610] A lot like him.

[611] Definitely like your great -grandfather.

[612] And you're probably the exact as your great -great -grandfather, right?

[613] Four cycles.

[614] The warrior, the poet, the guy, the...

[615] There's a, I can't remember it off top of my head.

[616] But your father, you're the next version of him, so he sees what's there.

[617] And no matter how hard the training comes down, and I would, I'd be the first person to tell you, my father was hard on me, but my wife loves the way I turned out.

[618] So I'm like, well, thanks, pop.

[619] You can't, I mean, that's why it just says that.

[620] I mean, and when you get older, you kind of look back at it after everything we had to go through.

[621] I'm like, man, if I had to go through that with him, it's because he saw something to make, and I'm sitting right here.

[622] It can't be comfortable.

[623] it's not it can't no it's not spare the rods spoil the child yes i mean that's just there are things down here in a certain age you can't negotiate with them that's why pain exists yeah that's why you got a butt with padding on it right i mean my father never hit me on that spot it was everywhere else but it's um depends on what you're raising there are things down here that get sick things that never get sick there are things that when people i talk to vegetarians i have a lot of friends that are vegetarians and like why don't you eat just i was like well i'm there are things down here that are predators that eat meat.

[624] Just like humans.

[625] Humans and animals kind of coexist together.

[626] You can see yourself in nature.

[627] There are huge men that just eat plants.

[628] Just like there are huge animals that just eat just eat plants.

[629] Once you figure out kind of what your spirit is and how your body works you can understand each other because there's nothing down here the same.

[630] Everyone down here is as unique as your fingerprint.

[631] No one's the same color.

[632] No one's the same height.

[633] Everything is unique.

[634] It's just we kind of, we want to put them into groups.

[635] And it's almost like a trick because you're trying to emulate all the people that you see that are successful or that you admire around you.

[636] But you have to recognize that you are not them.

[637] And even if you emulate them as much as you can, as good as you can, as well as you can, as often as you can, you're still never going to be them.

[638] Why would you want to be them?

[639] If you're going to become them, why would you need them to exist?

[640] But you think you want to be them because they're successful.

[641] You see someone who's doing really well.

[642] You're like, I wish I was that guy.

[643] but then as time goes on you realize no no I'm I'm me and I just need to be my version of me where some young guy coming up looks at me and says I wish I was that guy and then he's going to realize it no I don't want to be him I want to be me and you can learn lessons from those people that are successful learn lessons from those people that have gone through the fire learn lesson from the people that have made mistakes and you know and learn from those mistakes and this is this is how we progress we don't learn all our lessons from our own life experiences.

[644] We learn a lot of them from watching other people fuck up and we learn a lot of them from watching other people succeed.

[645] Once you get good enough at laughing at your messups, they're not setbacks, they're kind of set -ups, right?

[646] Yeah.

[647] Because when you go it in, you're untrained.

[648] I mean, if you like something, you just went in and you were good at it, then what's the point?

[649] Right.

[650] Right.

[651] Well, that's a problem with really talented people.

[652] We see that in fighting.

[653] There's a lot of really, really talented people.

[654] They often fall short because they're so talented, they don't want to work hard.

[655] And then the determined little wolves, there's some guys that don't, maybe they don't have the best genetic tools or maybe they didn't have the best childhood or whatever it is, but they have determination.

[656] And they figure out a way to become great.

[657] I tell them like, yeah, you did.

[658] You're telling me you're born in the worst place in this country and the hardest place, and that means that's how powerful you are.

[659] Like diamonds are forged through pressure over time.

[660] When the blade is on the mill and the sparks are flying and that thing's screaming, You know it's going, what are you doing to me?

[661] I'm sharpening you.

[662] Making a blade.

[663] Even when it's getting sharpening, that has no idea what's going on.

[664] When I joined seal training, that's what one of the instructors told me. You know what we do it here?

[665] We're going to forge you into a blade.

[666] We're going to get you really hot, really cold, and beat the mess out of you.

[667] Then we're going to repeat it until we make something that when we send you in with the rest of our guys, they're all like, each person around you's a stone.

[668] They're designed to polish you, sharpen you, or dull you out.

[669] Yeah.

[670] And you run around guys like us who are always sharp, then we sharpen each other.

[671] So, you know, to come in on us, like our hard days, we look forward to them now.

[672] Yeah.

[673] Because somebody has to go in there and carry that weight.

[674] And people, I was like, man, I can't believe you did that.

[675] I was like, well, obviously, you didn't want to do it.

[676] If you weren't willing to carry it, I will.

[677] That'll be in my spot.

[678] I don't want to be anything like you, but I want to be good enough to hang out with you, you know what I mean?

[679] I love what you said that some people will dull you out too.

[680] Absolutely.

[681] That's true, too.

[682] And then that's something that some people need to understand is that whether you're, you might be that person that's dulling out your friends.

[683] Yep.

[684] You need to realize that too.

[685] Yeah.

[686] And get your shit together.

[687] Yeah.

[688] And maybe you have a friend that's doing that to you, and you're trying to carry them.

[689] And if they don't want to keep going, like, you've got to recognize that they're taken away from your resources.

[690] It's tough for friends you've had over time.

[691] I've had to think about that one a lot, when they think they're dulling you.

[692] It's like, well, maybe you just got so sharp that they were part of it that helped you get that sharp.

[693] Yeah.

[694] So don't ever forget that.

[695] Yeah.

[696] Sometimes it just can't keep up.

[697] When you relate to them, or they're past different.

[698] Yeah.

[699] And when you come back into their life, you're back in that spot.

[700] You know, be every man's equal.

[701] Bar, ballroom, bedroom, board, all that stuff.

[702] So it's easy.

[703] That's the ego part.

[704] And that's why our friends are there to remind us.

[705] Yeah, and I think there's also like a, there's a point of diminishing returns, too.

[706] Like, how much harder do you want to get?

[707] How much work do you want to get?

[708] And how much do you want to be a good friend?

[709] How much do you want to be a brother?

[710] How much do you want to be a husband, a friend?

[711] family member and you can't ask everybody to walk your path no it's yours yeah now they'll walk with you and then your friends are there when you go down that rabbit hole they're like yeah i'll go down there with you and then the deeper you go someone will pill out that's all right because you're going to have to run into them on the way back up and you just pick them back up and we need them all right we need programmers and we need seals yeah we need everybody we need comedians and we need rock stars We need poets and we need writers and we need guys who work ferries and dig trenches and we need everybody with this is a, as a society, we're a weirdly balanced group of people.

[712] Isn't that great?

[713] Yeah.

[714] It is great.

[715] It is great.

[716] It's great.

[717] I mean, the difference, the best part about when I was doing the speaking thing traveling around was who I'd run into.

[718] I'm like, man, I don't even know you existed.

[719] And I had the best time with them.

[720] I mean, just famously, right?

[721] And we were two different worlds.

[722] I mean, we just are.

[723] And that's okay.

[724] Because it's what's different about you that I appreciate.

[725] It's the uniqueness.

[726] I mean, I don't care what color your hair is, what you do.

[727] I mean, hey, man, that's the part I'm gravitating towards.

[728] That's a good attitude.

[729] The problem is a lot of people, they're so insecure that anybody that's different from them is the enemy.

[730] Anybody that's different from them is in opposition to them.

[731] And that's not really the case.

[732] It's a trap.

[733] it's a trap that your mind sets up sure your mind looks for familiarity and it doesn't it doesn't all i care about a person is are they nice i look i try to look at it and i know this is a very simplistic perspective but i look at look at people in three groups morons assholes and people you can hang out with and in those three groups there's a lot of different folks there's a giant spectrum of people that i can hang out with i don't care if you're gay straight black white Asian, African, I don't give a fuck if I can hang out with you.

[734] If you're cool, if we can talk, I can see your perspective.

[735] I see where you're coming from.

[736] I want to know who you are and how you got there.

[737] And then there's people that are just, they're just not smart, man, for whatever reason.

[738] Maybe they're not smart because they don't want to be smart because they're scared of being smart.

[739] Maybe they're morons because someone did them bad and they never recovered.

[740] There's a lot of aspects to like what makes someone a moron.

[741] on the same thing what makes someone an asshole maybe they were abused maybe the system did help give them a bad hand of cards maybe they get dealt a fucking terrible neighborhood with terrible relatives and terrible neighbors and terrible bullshit and they just they just didn't have the tools whether it's mental or spiritual or psychological to overcome and they're in this position where they're an asshole it doesn't mean that they're always going to be an asshole they can recover we can all recover We can all move.

[742] If you're alive, if you're breathing, if you can do anything, whether you can progress forward, you can get better.

[743] And if you can get better, then you can not be a moron.

[744] You can not be an asshole.

[745] And you could be someone that everybody can hang out with.

[746] That's a true statement.

[747] I have people walk up to me and they're like, hey, you know this team guy, so -and -so.

[748] And I'm like, yeah, I know him.

[749] Like, man, he's an asshole.

[750] Like, yeah, he is.

[751] Oh, he's mine, though.

[752] He's magnificent at it.

[753] Like, you can't believe.

[754] And a lot of that stuff, like, it's their style.

[755] Like, you have to get past that to understand to appreciate what's burning inside of them, right?

[756] And it's a defensive mechanism.

[757] Yeah.

[758] With you, look at your vocabulary, your mental prowess, what you're capable of physically, everything that you've trained for.

[759] Who you've met, what each one of those have trained you for.

[760] So there will be people younger than us that haven't been through this that'll go into a situation and be like, I was the biggest dick, man, just blah, blah, what else at the other?

[761] With us when we walk in there.

[762] I mean, I automatically assume I'm the weakest dude.

[763] And then I let everybody start talking.

[764] And I'll find out who knows what they think they know and they don't know it.

[765] Who wants to be the badass and who really isn't.

[766] Yeah.

[767] You know what I mean?

[768] So as we go through this, that's the best part.

[769] It's taking off that black belt and putting the white one back on.

[770] Yeah.

[771] And then you walk in there and you're like, okay, you know, let's see what's what?

[772] And then as it progresses, because they can only be an asshole up to a point to where they run into somebody like, you know what I mean?

[773] Have you ever seen videos where white belts pretend or black belts?

[774] All the time.

[775] My favorite thing.

[776] All the time.

[777] Yeah, there's funny videos online where a black belt will show up.

[778] up at a school and pretend to be a white belt and start rolling with people and then you can see the people get super confused when they're purple belts or brown belts and they start getting strangled piss them off and it's actually the best teaching tool for for those for the purple belt brown belt right because like I just got my ass with by a white belt it can happen it's a problem with brown belts it's a problem with black belts it's a problem with that system yeah I remember I was a brown belt and this dude choked me out he's a blue belt he got my back and he just got me he got me and I tapped he goes you really just fucking tap I go yeah man you got me he was like holy shit I go it happens it happens it's gonna happen to you keep going I got my ass turned inside out by a purple belt I just got back it's funny right that's what I thought too it happened I mean so much so that I almost wound up back in it was great and he was so he couldn't believe he thought I I'd give it to him and I was like no you actually did good man I listen some guys have a move man whether it's an arm bar or a choke or a fucking crucifix some guys have a move and if you zig when you should have zagged and they get to point B and then there's point C and D is tap you might be in deep shit I don't give a fuck who you are and it happens perfect chest like they've been training this one move all week and a setup but you're not it's that obscure one that you're not looking for so you're going to doing your thing and all of a sudden you're like there's no way he knows this one and it rock next thing you know isn't that great that's the best part about our world is that you still go in there to get there's a chance that even those of us who have been around can get humbled and what does that tell you yeah yeah that gumsuckers can learn too but that that's so valuable those terrible moments where a guy taps you out like that those are so valuable there's so much better for you than the moments where you tap him out if you tap some blue bout out like who gives a shit but if he taps you out like man you should be thank thanking your lucky stars because you got a real good lesson you got a lesson that if you you don't protect your neck if you you you go into a situation where you're not defensive enough and you get caught that's so valuable and that's with everything in life with relationships with friendships with friendships with business situations everything that's the best that's the best way i've heard that explained like that matwork is like life yeah i got a minute i think i got it figured out i get choked out by something i don't even see coming up and it's good those moments i've had moments where I just feel like such a fucking loser I just feel like such a piece of shit but those are my best moments because they gave me something.

[779] They gave me something that victory never gave me they gave me something where I was like where I realized that you know you're not always going to win and you don't want to win always.

[780] You don't you don't want to.

[781] Even a guy who wins always like a guy like Floyd Mayweather you tell me that guy didn't have dark moments in the gym.

[782] You tell me that guy.

[783] Every day.

[784] Every day.

[785] The more has numbers?

[786] I love that man. Dude, that family.

[787] The more of his numbers went up and everyone bitches about how he fights.

[788] He's like, oh, he sits about it's a fight.

[789] He's the smartest man in boxing.

[790] I mean, smartest man in boxing.

[791] 50 and 0, 49 in Connor McGregor.

[792] That's what I say.

[793] He's not really 50, you know.

[794] Forty -nine in Connor McGregor, but the guy's been hit hard four times in his whole fucking career.

[795] He's the goat.

[796] Come on.

[797] He's figured it out.

[798] Figured it out.

[799] All of his fights, the reason why his fights have been so easy, is because his training's been so hard he's a great way to say that he's been punished he's lost you know that's a great way to compliment him too yes yes it's not his fights are easy it's like his training has been he understands it and also he came from a family oh man his father fought sugar ray Leonard can you imagine back in the day growing up in that come on Doug his uncle was the black mom I know man Roger Mayweather was the shit man I remember watching Roger Mayweather Hurons Sugar Ray Leonard man oh dude I remember watching that it was on a black and white TV.

[800] Yeah, man. Those fights, when we were growing up, like when you first came in, I was in San Diego with you at Fear Factor one time.

[801] I tried to try out for it, me and a couple of my buddies.

[802] Oh, really?

[803] Yeah, they wouldn't let us in.

[804] It wouldn't let us in.

[805] It wouldn't let us in.

[806] It was like a thing.

[807] They were like, hey, what do you do here?

[808] Like, we're over at the, like, you're not seals, are you?

[809] And we're supposed to say no. Oh, that's hilarious because they thought you were too tough.

[810] And then one of the young guys was like, yeah, I'm a seal.

[811] And we're like, oh, great.

[812] Oh, no. But when the UFC made that transition from the UFC won, I remember watching that one in the dojo and watching the hoist, you know, and all, that was just crazy, right?

[813] The guy showed up with a boxing glove on and just...

[814] Art Jimerson.

[815] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[816] One boxing glove.

[817] What was that Frenchman's name?

[818] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[819] Purdue?

[820] No. I'm...

[821] Had the white geek pants on?

[822] Yeah, that guy is responsible for Yuki Nakai being blind.

[823] That guy eye gouge Yuki Nikai, and he's got one eye now.

[824] Oh, really?

[825] Yeah, yeah.

[826] In the ring?

[827] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[828] I think that was not in the UFC, though.

[829] I think that was in Japan Valley Tudor.

[830] Gardo?

[831] Gerard Gardo, I believe it is.

[832] Yeah, yeah, there you go, Gerard Godot.

[833] Yeah.

[834] Fought with ghee pants on, no shirt.

[835] Yeah, that dude, tooth went with Hackney, King Hackney.

[836] Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

[837] Yeah, there he fought that big sumo guy.

[838] Remember that when that came out?

[839] Fuck, I remember that well.

[840] I didn't see number one when I was, when it was out.

[841] live i saw number two when it was in a video store i'm pretty sure you had the faces of death videos and everything exactly exactly faces of death 45 these fucking kids today they're so they're so it's so easy to get dark shit i know car accidents you got to sneak it last i'm a little kids like would you rent well i got annie and summer and then oh faces of death yeah exactly exactly that was a good time i mean i think there's one blockbuster still open is there really just one the original i think it's still where i knew you were going to ask me that i saw it on it is that real oregon yeah somewhere up north right in oregon there's probably no internet up there that's where cam haines lives out there running cameron yeah that guy he's a fucking savage he's such a i don't even like hanging out with cameron because no matter everything i've been through i still feel weak i was like i I know you run up these mountains with freaking elk on your back, 24 miles.

[842] My brother's like that, like, Mojo.

[843] Oh, yeah?

[844] Yeah, when do you meet him?

[845] And Cameron, he will, like, we'll show up, and he's like, he's always in shape.

[846] Got, like a smile on his face.

[847] I was like, what have, man, what you've been doing?

[848] Oh, I just ran 900 miles.

[849] Like, good for you, dude.

[850] You know what I mean?

[851] I feel like it's such a douche.

[852] He forces himself to do it, too.

[853] That's the thing.

[854] That guy's got a full -time job.

[855] I don't feel sorry for him now because advertising this through you and on the web, like, hey, this is, I run it, like, like, Goggins.

[856] He'll never stop running.

[857] I don't think he can.

[858] No. He might be one of the hardest dudes on the planet, him and Cam.

[859] Yeah.

[860] There's a few of them.

[861] They get together, too.

[862] It was funny.

[863] It's like their own little club.

[864] Cam showed up in Vegas where Goggins lives.

[865] He just knocked on his door.

[866] He's let's go.

[867] And they went out and ran 20 miles at a six and a half minute mile pace.

[868] Hey, pussy, what's up?

[869] I saw you on YouTube.

[870] You want some?

[871] Exactly.

[872] Exactly.

[873] Well, they're good friends.

[874] They are, yeah.

[875] They push each other.

[876] They push you.

[877] Like, Gagins will send me text messages out of nowhere.

[878] I'm just letting you know.

[879] Stay hard.

[880] you know i'll text him gaggans what are getting hard of course you are stay hard yeah you know yeah you stay that way so i don't you know i can get soft it's it's again people like that like their fuel for everybody else like they and gaggans knows it one of the rest of the conversations i had with him recently he goes he goes i think this shit is bigger than me he goes when i get up in the morning i'm running it's bigger than me like i there's something moving through me and i think that's real I mean, it sounds hyperbolic.

[881] It sounds like it's exaggeration, but I don't think it is.

[882] I think there's something that's moving through him that is forcing other people to action, and it makes him greater than just an individual.

[883] It makes him almost like an antenna.

[884] Like, there's something like he's beaming in the power of discipline and the benefit that it has on a human being.

[885] He's real.

[886] He's real.

[887] He's a real deal.

[888] There's no doubt about it, man. Obviously, with us, too, it's an evolutionary thing, right?

[889] I mean, meaning like day by day.

[890] Yeah.

[891] I've heard stories of my favorite one.

[892] It was when he took his shoes off during one of his races and it was bleeding through his toenails.

[893] He's like, hey, man, it's like hamburger down there.

[894] Probably got to be in a lot of pain.

[895] You should quit.

[896] He's like, why would pain make me quit?

[897] That's, he's the real deal.

[898] I mean, we would do Patriot tours.

[899] Like, I was on tour with him, and he would run from city to city.

[900] And then he'd show up all greased up with his abs.

[901] And he's kind of, you know, he's got that sexy caramel look, that milk dut head.

[902] and all the wives I mean all the girls everybody's like where's David is he here yet and I was like no he's still running from 500 miles away you know he'll get here in a couple minutes and I remember when he first started this with Mojo and I he started because of all the guys that died he's like there are a lot of people that don't like that don't understand David I don't want to say don't like him because if you knew him then you'd love him right I agree with that I agree with that so there are men down here like in your family you have those uncles that you're like, don't, don't mess with him.

[903] He's, he's mean, you know.

[904] He's just, you don't have to, you can't understand him.

[905] And he either likes you or done.

[906] There are days, David, I mean, he picks on me a mojo all the time.

[907] He's like, what are you doing?

[908] I was like, oh, I was just laying around.

[909] He's like, getting soft.

[910] I'm like, no, not really.

[911] I was just got taking a break.

[912] And he's like, we don't take breaks.

[913] You know, the jaco's the same way.

[914] That's real.

[915] You have to have those.

[916] And then there's the interim in between.

[917] Like I told you in the teens, we got assholes.

[918] They're magnificent.

[919] But they belong to us.

[920] and then you've got guys who read physics books and doctors and like Ivy League graduates that have multiple degrees like 10 pound heads when they try to talk to us I mean they still were brothers under the bird is what we say like under the trident brothers under the bird and you need all of them every one of them yeah so take one of them guys from each walk of life in this country and throw them into one fraternity you're not going to figure out satellites without the eggheads that's it period yeah you need them and you need the guys like chaco you want to get up at 4 .30 in the morning and put themselves through hell.

[921] With no one around.

[922] Because some of the eggs, they're like, I don't want to get up.

[923] And Jocco's like, get your ass up.

[924] Jocko's listening to the metal at 4 .30 in the morning.

[925] I know.

[926] Run!

[927] Blah!

[928] Dup!

[929] Come on.

[930] And he's doing fucking dips and fucking muscle ups.

[931] You need those guys.

[932] We were in Omani.

[933] It was the worst place I'd ever been.

[934] After Afghanistan, went to Iraq.

[935] Excuse me. Ambar province.

[936] Chris Kyle was there.

[937] That's when he got those.

[938] Well, let's explain to people.

[939] Many people don't even know this.

[940] After that movie, what the event.

[941] events that happened in the movie Lone Survivor, you went back.

[942] Yeah, I was still in.

[943] Yeah, you went back.

[944] You did more tours.

[945] Right.

[946] And the last one we went on was in Anbar province in Ramadi, Iraq.

[947] I was there 06 -07.

[948] I relieved or ripped out, was what we say, Jocco's Platoon, which is Jocko, Chris Kyle, and those guys.

[949] And it was hell.

[950] I mean, it was the last stand for all.

[951] It was like, hey, let's fight.

[952] Sleeping in her body armor.

[953] I mean, I went out there.

[954] We took 18 men, and 14 of them got wounded.

[955] I didn't lose one guy.

[956] The day before we were redeploying, one of my, I had two point men.

[957] They run the platoon out and we're doing operations.

[958] I'll never, I'll remember.

[959] Sheldonberger, I miss you, bro.

[960] And then another firefighter.

[961] That's named Stodd, man. Bro, I miss you.

[962] He was walking outside of the tent, and a round came over from outside and hit, him in the ribs and he was sitting next to one of the walls or next to a dumpster and one of our buddies comes walking.

[963] I was like, what's wrong with you?

[964] He's like, man, I think somebody hit me with a rock.

[965] And he was getting shot.

[966] The x -ray is awesome.

[967] It's literally his spine and then you see this 7 -6 -2 round right in front of it.

[968] They can't pull it out.

[969] It's been encapsulated.

[970] It just has to sit there.

[971] He's fine now.

[972] But there was a gunfight going outside of the wall and it'd come over and hit him.

[973] So the day before we were coming back, he got hit.

[974] And then the We got back, and they had separated us, and he went to a different team.

[975] He was SDVs.

[976] I know you're familiar with our submersible system.

[977] Yeah.

[978] And two months or so later, maybe it might have been a little bit more.

[979] He died underneath an aircraft carrier doing a dive.

[980] So the darkest place on the planet is underneath an aircraft carrier at night.

[981] It's a modern marvel.

[982] 6 ,000 people in Air Wing.

[983] It's a floating city.

[984] It's unbelievable how it even holds in water.

[985] Yeah.

[986] And a lot of the training, all of our training is twice as dangerous.

[987] as real life we make it that way on purpose that's why more seals die in combat or in training than they do in combat usually when you see seals dying in combat is a bunch of us i mean we we get hit with us it was 19 extortion it was 31 and it's just kind of it's just the way we are but coming out of afghanistan and then going into iraq i remember seeing jaco and he's just he had his war face on so he didn't talk to me Chaco wakes up with his war face on No but I mean Imagine like when he's got permission To jack you up Yes You know what I mean Jocko he's gonna jack you up Right Like he'd go out and raise an American flag Out in the middle of day Just to start just to get it going He's a real deal So when we found out we were going out there I was like yeah But then in my head I was apprehensive Because I just had my ass kick real bad And going back I mean I had to go back Out here in Texas man If you get your butt whipped You go back in for more When you get healed up Did you feel that way?

[988] Yeah, I had to.

[989] Immediately?

[990] Immediately.

[991] I mean, look at the fraternity I'm in.

[992] And they never looked down on me. Because we went through buds together.

[993] Buds stands for basic underwater demolition seal training, but it also means if you take everything away from us, we're still buds because we survived in hell.

[994] And when we went back out there, matter of fact, the first gunfight I ever got in, I remember taking a knee and kind of sitting there going, what in the hell am I doing here?

[995] I mean, it had even been a year.

[996] I couldn't even, I could barely walk, really.

[997] That's a whole different story altogether, but anyways, we got out of there, and I remember we got back to the bay, I'll tell you the story.

[998] We got back to the bait.

[999] Some of my new guys walked up to me. It was our first gunfight.

[1000] And they were like, hey, I was checking.

[1001] I was like, hey, how are you guys doing?

[1002] You good?

[1003] I know you got into it.

[1004] You did what you were supposed to do.

[1005] Well, and they were like, well, you know, I was freaking out when the gunfire started, but then I looked up and you were calm and cool.

[1006] Then you look back at us and you look forward and you look back and you kind of made a call and we got out of there.

[1007] It was smooth.

[1008] I was like, keep thinking that, brother.

[1009] Because when that gunfire started, I took that knee, I was like, what the hell?

[1010] I mean, I was, it was just like that first fight.

[1011] Like when you start getting beaten up again and then you realize like, wait a minute, I'm a fighter.

[1012] And then I was like, okay, well, let's go.

[1013] And then I stood up and made the call.

[1014] But there are, in any situation you go into, there's going to be that kind of hesitation.

[1015] I hear people all the time like, man, I've been training so long for this, but I still have the fear.

[1016] And I was like, well, that's different.

[1017] That's anxiousness.

[1018] It runs off the same gland, fear and anxiousness off your adrenals.

[1019] So in the beginning, you have fear because you're not trained.

[1020] But then as you train, then it becomes anxiousness.

[1021] So when that first punch is thrown, that first bullet flies, it's like, oh, let's go.

[1022] It's a switch.

[1023] It has to be that way.

[1024] You don't want to walk around and gauge the whole time.

[1025] There has to be a trigger.

[1026] Also, you can't be calm.

[1027] You can't just be calm about it.

[1028] That uncomfortable feeling, right, whether it's a fight or what you've gone through, you can't be comfortable.

[1029] So the difference in the ring and in a gunfight is that you have to talk.

[1030] Like you're not talking to the dude, you're beating up.

[1031] Like, hey, dude, watch his punt.

[1032] So with us, when it goes down, you're in a fight, you're like, okay, we need to move this way.

[1033] And that's while we train like that, in that fight, you've got to learn how to communicate.

[1034] And that's what kind of slows you down.

[1035] And we do it so much.

[1036] So here's the difference between the seals and everybody else In our training kind of one of the things is in the beginning They wear us out all day for weeks on end And they tire us out keep us up and then they start training us Then you get your pistol so you're completely exhausted And when you learn like that it's muscle memory So when we get engaged our enemy will start attacking us And then they'll be like I'm wearing them down And then they think that's a good thing It's not it's actually a bad thing Because that's when we start to come up And that's that's the separation in our training as they've switched it.

[1037] Don't you think that that's a lesson that people can, if you can apply that to your life, that you're, anything good that you're going to do is going to make you uncomfortable.

[1038] Anything difficult, all of it, whether even, even like when you have a child, like the birth of a child, it's uncomfortable.

[1039] It's a weird moment.

[1040] Whether you try a new thing in life, where you move to a new place, where you, when any new business venture you, enter into everything you do that's difficult is going to make you uncomfortable and that's the only way to get ahead it's it but the most extreme version of it that we can all learn from is war the most extreme version of is when the consequences are your your existence you don't you don't exist anymore if you fail it's only uncomfortable because you haven't been in it everything's like that getting dressed in the morning doing everything I mean it's It's the same thing.

[1041] Imagine you have the capability of being trained in any scenario.

[1042] It's whether or not you want to get in.

[1043] All of it.

[1044] All of it.

[1045] Everything makes you uncomfortable.

[1046] That's new.

[1047] Yeah.

[1048] So don't look at it as uncomfortable.

[1049] Right.

[1050] That's a word.

[1051] Somebody.

[1052] Exciting.

[1053] The fear and everything.

[1054] Like, what?

[1055] Oh, right?

[1056] It's exciting.

[1057] Somebody told you that you were supposed to.

[1058] My mother had breast cancer here recently.

[1059] Bad.

[1060] And she had to go get the surgery.

[1061] and matriarchal family so when mom's sick i mentally has to take care of all that i'm kind of when it comes to her whatever i'm just a i'm weak but she recovered with me so when i got her home i was like ma check it out pain is pain when we go down in the gym and i'll work out chest as hard as i can that night and the next day i'm a two -day guy so the pain feels like my chest is being ripped out i feel like sometimes i work out so hard and i bleed and i puk that i'm being torn apart i love it Because I know right after I get done with that, I'm going to be stronger.

[1062] Because I don't get battle weakened.

[1063] I get battle -hardened.

[1064] Period.

[1065] I've had the bones knocked out of me. On the ground, just crying.

[1066] But I knew that that was just sharpening me. I was like, here's what's going to happen.

[1067] We're going to put you under the knife.

[1068] You'll wake up the next morning.

[1069] You're going to be sore, and you're going to lay up for a week.

[1070] It's just like we were in the gym, and your chest is sore.

[1071] One week later, she whipped it like the flu.

[1072] She was ready to leave.

[1073] She's like, I'm tired of being around you, boy, again.

[1074] I mean, my mom is something.

[1075] She's something.

[1076] That's awesome.

[1077] But pain is a matter of perspective of the person going through it.

[1078] Because you and I can train for pain.

[1079] And I'm like, what is that?

[1080] I was like, I got armed barred.

[1081] I mean, I got arm barred all the time.

[1082] I got waterboarded.

[1083] But if you take someone who's never experienced pain and put him through the same thing that's normal for you, for them, they would be like, this is horrible.

[1084] I can't believe this.

[1085] And you're like, this is Tuesday.

[1086] Right.

[1087] This is normal shit.

[1088] Yeah.

[1089] Isn't that crazy?

[1090] Yeah, it is crazy.

[1091] We adapt.

[1092] You know, that's why people live in fucking Alaska.

[1093] That's Eskimos and shit.

[1094] You know, that's why people...

[1095] We're designed to survive down here.

[1096] This thing's more capable than we have...

[1097] Yes.

[1098] I mean, we can't even imagine.

[1099] Once Elon puts everybody on Mars and everywhere else, I mean, stand by.

[1100] I mean, it's just...

[1101] It's designed that way.

[1102] All the wars, all the atrocities have come through, you kind of learn.

[1103] And so we're kind of going through right now.

[1104] Right now, most everybody out there is arguing about color and weather.

[1105] You really can't mess with them two things.

[1106] They're kind of set.

[1107] You know what I mean?

[1108] So if we're at that point, I'm thinking, okay, well, that's the last thing we're arguing about, and we're making a transition.

[1109] Yeah, I think so too, and I think those things are really nonsense.

[1110] And I think that the people that live in that world and that exchange the currency of that nonsense, they're only doing it because they don't have anything greater.

[1111] They don't have a larger picture.

[1112] So the reason why they dwell on color or gender or all these things that aren't important, what's important is the character of you as a human being.

[1113] and if you concentrate on color or gender or sexuality or whatever the fuck it is that you're like you're you're you're you're a boiling people down to you're just you're only doing that because you lack the other experiences sure like I said earlier man it's what's a difference makes this unique you all drive similar cars similar colors but what do you do you throw a bumper sticker on it hang some stuff in a mirror like lower it raise it the differences are great yeah man it's supposed to be that's the best part but the camaraderie you in similarities is great too there's one of the beautiful things about Texas is Texas is almost like moving to Texas like moving to a country it feels like a country it does like the people here like I'm gonna be I've never felt more at home oh it's something it's a thing it's a thing my seventh grade teacher I was cutting up in class he pulled me outside and he kind of poked me in the chest and you asked me what kind of texting I was going to be I'll never forget that never forget it and when you come out here I mean, we're all different.

[1114] Like, you live in Austin.

[1115] That's kind of our little, our own little California.

[1116] We love having it here.

[1117] We do.

[1118] The further you venture away from that, it gets, I mean, if you're in West Texas, completely different than east, north and south, completely different.

[1119] But the swagger is the same.

[1120] There's a video that I listen to.

[1121] You know who Billy Alsbrook is?

[1122] No. So if you ever having a bad day, listen to that dude.

[1123] Who is he?

[1124] He's a motivational guy, Billy Alsbrook.

[1125] There's a couple of guys I listen to every morning.

[1126] He has this one called I am a champion.

[1127] And take the word champion out and put tech.

[1128] What does he do?

[1129] What is his thing?

[1130] You pull him up?

[1131] Billy, how do he spell his name?

[1132] Alzbrough?

[1133] Yeah, Alzbrook.

[1134] A -L -B -R -O -O -K -S, U -R -O -K -S, Uruks.

[1135] And so he's like, hey, I wake up in the morning.

[1136] I'm like, good -morning, Texan.

[1137] I look in the mirror, I'm like, good -morning, Texan.

[1138] I eat like a Texan.

[1139] I walk like a Texan.

[1140] If I got to go over it, around it, and unfortunately, if I got to go through it, I'm going to go through it like a Texan.

[1141] On my gravestone, it's going to say Texan, right?

[1142] This means I will be as friendly as humanly possible.

[1143] I want you to entertain yourself and love everything around you.

[1144] The minute you get out of line, I'm going to bust your ass to the fucking concrete.

[1145] Because it's a reputation around here.

[1146] We enforce our own.

[1147] Police, police, the peaceful people.

[1148] Then you have everybody in between.

[1149] You get out West Texas and get some of them rednecks man with them country boys.

[1150] They don't tolerate you talking back to their women.

[1151] Women are a big thing around here.

[1152] Our Texas women, man, we don't like it when you disrespect them, man. That's a thing.

[1153] Well, this is a Wild West state.

[1154] It is.

[1155] This is a state that was forged in the battle with the Comanches.

[1156] Yeah, which was, bro.

[1157] Have you read Empire of the Summer Moon?

[1158] I have.

[1159] What's up?

[1160] I had Sam Boyan on the podcast.

[1161] That's the fucking shit.

[1162] I had the guy wrote that.

[1163] Those women would tear you up.

[1164] Holy shit.

[1165] Don't worry about the dudes.

[1166] You slip past the girl, man. Do you see I had Quana Parker.

[1167] Yeah, yeah.

[1168] We were talking about that.

[1169] Yeah.

[1170] Who's the guy in the plane?

[1171] He was the director for, you know, Jeff was telling me. The guy on the plane?

[1172] In the plane with the pistol.

[1173] What's that?

[1174] The Hunter Thompson picture.

[1175] Oh, Hunter S. Thompson.

[1176] Oh, that photo.

[1177] Yeah, that's Hunter.

[1178] So Mel was giving some lessons on Texas and what you're supposed to do.

[1179] You're supposed to go to Waterburger, eat Bluebell ice cream, visit a Buckees because it's like a mall.

[1180] You've got to go to the Alamo and you've got to know when we fought.

[1181] Do you know who the other guy is out there?

[1182] Jack Hayes.

[1183] I didn't know it.

[1184] That's the original Texas Ranger.

[1185] Oh, on the wall there.

[1186] No, the guy that's...

[1187] On the picture.

[1188] Yeah, that photo.

[1189] Hayes.

[1190] Yeah.

[1191] Captain.

[1192] Captain, Jack's Hayes.

[1193] Yeah.

[1194] The story on him is legendary.

[1195] The story on him, legendary.

[1196] Yeah, he's a savage.

[1197] Look at his hair.

[1198] Have you run across any of our Rangers yet?

[1199] No. Okay, check it up.

[1200] I was trying to explain this earlier.

[1201] So have you run across any of our police?

[1202] Yeah, sure.

[1203] Okay, they're all different.

[1204] Like, if you run into the highway boys, like the black and whites, and they come out and just be your best, like, kill them with kindness, and they'll normally let you go.

[1205] The minute you're like, what's a problem?

[1206] Then you're in for it.

[1207] I've never done that.

[1208] I don't do that.

[1209] I mean, then they'll find some stuff, right?

[1210] But our Rangers, you'll see them.

[1211] They walk in their white shirts on, buttoned down, they all starched up, pants, and they got a rig on there that looks like it's made out of the Old West, and they got a 10 -star and a hat on.

[1212] I was always taught never even look at them, because they'll just find some reasons to mess with you.

[1213] Not pick on you, just like, hey, you know, they're the real deal.

[1214] They've been through a lot in our Rangers or something.

[1215] So there's kind of a, it's always a bragging right, because Captain Hayes, Jack, all them guys, what they had to go through, I think he gave a speech to his troops right before he died.

[1216] He was sitting in camp, telling him like hey I'm proud of you and they just promoted him to cabinet he freaking died and there's some good ones with the stories that come out of that I actually have a book that was gifted to me that has the signatures of all the Texas Rangers current and a lot of them that are past that's one of the coolest things I got people give me stuff sometimes I can't even believe it how fortunate I am I mean especially to live here does it feel weird because your story has been elevated to the point of like Hollywood movies and you know Marky Mark played you in a movie and all that how great is he shit he's amazing look I'm telling you man as much as people like to give that guy shit who does assholes shot where on line tell him to call me because he's doing push -ups with Dr. Oz I don't care what he does do whatever he wants man listen he nailed that movie he nailed that movie he nails a lot of movies Boston boy yeah that's where I'm from I know So, I mean, we have a, I mean, there's a kindred spirit.

[1217] I always told him, I was like, hey, man, you're the city version of me. And when it came time to picking the actors for the movie, you know, talk about that?

[1218] No. And I didn't pick him.

[1219] He was the only one I didn't have any saying.

[1220] Who did you pick?

[1221] So Ben Foster?

[1222] Ben Foster, who's best?

[1223] He played Axe.

[1224] Oh, dude, Ben Foster is fucking amazing.

[1225] That's the guy who's in 30 Days of Night, that vampire movie.

[1226] Remember that?

[1227] Fuck, yeah.

[1228] Fuck, yeah.

[1229] That guy's in everything good.

[1230] He's incredible.

[1231] He's incredible.

[1232] When I was, a cool story with he and I, the first time we met, he called me. He's like, hey, what are you doing?

[1233] I got to pick up my truck in Texas and drive to the set in New Mexico.

[1234] So I asked Mellie, I was like, hey, you mind if I road trip with him?

[1235] And she's like, is that a good idea?

[1236] You don't even know him.

[1237] I was what I think it is.

[1238] I mean, how bad could it be, right?

[1239] I was like, one of two things is going to happen.

[1240] I'm either going to leave him in the desert or we're going to show up best friends.

[1241] Plain simple.

[1242] There's some gray area in between That's gray area It's a real big desert out there in West Texas Man So we started driving Met up in Dallas at a gas station Kind of first time I ever saw him Within about 15 minutes of that road That's how you know if you can get along with somebody Road trip with him Getting a car with him and drive across country Right true About the time we got to the set We're best buddies Still are to this day man I mean married kids I called him check on him Him and Walberg He's something The only thing I gave Walberg on the cell.

[1243] I was like, man, don't try and talk like a Southern boy.

[1244] Don't say.

[1245] And then there's a scene where he's like, hey, I'm about fixing, hey, y 'all, I'm about fixing the Duce.

[1246] I was like, man, those are double.

[1247] We can't put them two together.

[1248] Don't fake the fun.

[1249] Don't fake my Southern accent, damn it?

[1250] Be your boss and self.

[1251] And so with Mark, it was kind of different.

[1252] It was difficult.

[1253] The first time I met him, I remember that we were driving up on set.

[1254] And I was actually driving Ben's truck.

[1255] It was Melly and I. And we're driving into the SWAT training range.

[1256] We're teaching them how to shoot the live -fire guns, the M -FORs and everything.

[1257] We train the mess out of them.

[1258] And as we're driving in, good vibrations comes on the radio.

[1259] Seriously.

[1260] Like, I didn't program that or anything.

[1261] I'm just kind of driving in.

[1262] I got the windows down.

[1263] It's a beautiful day.

[1264] Good vibrations comes on the radio.

[1265] Marky, Mark, and the funky bunch.

[1266] Great, right?

[1267] Yeah.

[1268] So good.

[1269] Old school.

[1270] Old school.

[1271] So Mel's over there just jamming out.

[1272] She's like, oh, I had pictures of his poster on my wall, him in his underwear.

[1273] I'm like, what?

[1274] You know what I'm talking about?

[1275] Like, I started going like that route.

[1276] I'm like, keep talking.

[1277] Keep talking.

[1278] So when I showed up on set, I was already pissed at him.

[1279] I remember walking in.

[1280] They kind of kept the separated.

[1281] And I was like, what's up, man?

[1282] He's like, hey, what's up?

[1283] And out in my head, I was like, man, bitch, you know.

[1284] And then with Taylor, Taylor Kitch and Emil, they just, we all had to see.

[1285] been we were always together like on that set there were people showing up that were like hey look I'm not even getting paid to be here it's just an honor to be here the stunt men tried to kill themselves and when people ask about the movie I was like we made it as realistic as possible without killing them dudes the stunt men when they're going over those rocks oh Jesus fucking Christ there's no way to fake that the way they hit those rocks there was no CGI there's like 90 cameras down that mountain and they just threw them and then they got hurt so bad and I remember Pete made me leave during the gun he's like hey you know I don't want you to get stressed out or anything I was like man I went through this in real life why would this kind of stress me out because the difference when I tell between the movie and real life is like this is far as we could push the actors and the stuntman without killing them the one thing about team guys is when we learn how to operate we learn how to get efficient just like every other green beret and ranger but then after seals try to look cool while we're doing it and the thing on the mountain is when we're falling like in the movie it kind of looks sexy while they're doing that in real life it's not it wasn't it wasn't sexy i mean we were getting ripped apart bad i mean like couldn't believe and i just remember i remember thinking like i couldn't believe that someone else was willing to go through that i remember thinking to the actors and watching them i was like man because we're on top of the mountain sitting out there all day and stuff i was like man i'm sorry you guys got to go through all that and there was team guys all around them i mean so every time they would move or shoot or do something it had to be authentic now if you watch if you ask a team guy like hey did you like any navy seal movies they'll all say no unless they're lying to you because no seal likes movies about themselves they'll always find something that's wrong with it a good team guy will that's just the way it is but with us i was like hey it was if the families were satisfied and if and i told pete this is kind of a little thing i was like hey man if i see this on t -n t during veterans day you did a good job and it showed up there but no matter how you slices i mean the outcome like we all we all died and uh man it was the craziest ride bro good i mean in the in my lowest point after like going through all those surgeries then they put me with the stars and they just cheered me up it was it's it's a weirdest dynamic like i was supposed to be miserable and in pain all the time but i was with them and they were just like hey good job people always ask me what i feel about that i was like well everyone i always said I always did a good job, even though I got whipped.

[1286] They whipped me so bad, I got whipped back to my mother.

[1287] You ever had your ass whipped so bad?

[1288] You got whipped back to your mother?

[1289] When people asked me about the fight in real life, it was probably over about three hours.

[1290] Three hours.

[1291] And Navy SEALs, we love our gear.

[1292] Like you issue with something, man, we love it.

[1293] I started that fight with all my friends and all my gear.

[1294] By the end of it, three and a half hours later, I was butt -necked and all my gear was gone, all my friends were dead.

[1295] They whipped my ass while I was naked.

[1296] You ever been whipped like that?

[1297] I hadn't.

[1298] I'd never been whipped like that.

[1299] Like, they just kept coming.

[1300] So much so, I was so busted up that I didn't, man, I didn't know what to do.

[1301] I was scared of death.

[1302] It was the only time I'd ever been afraid.

[1303] I was afraid.

[1304] Because the difference between fear and being afraid is afraid to leave you a blabber and mess.

[1305] You just be laying there.

[1306] I didn't know what to do.

[1307] I was more like a battery.

[1308] You put me into my friends.

[1309] I'll charge.

[1310] You take them away from me. I'll just sit around.

[1311] I don't even, I didn't.

[1312] I didn't know what to do.

[1313] And I lay there all damn day in that hole trying to figure out what I needed to do.

[1314] And eventually it was like, get up and just start crawling.

[1315] And I did that.

[1316] And it got me here.

[1317] But I don't care.

[1318] I was in a hole in Afghanistan.

[1319] All my friends were dead and I was naked dying.

[1320] And now I'm sitting right here with you.

[1321] So you can't tell me that the hardest part of your day is not going to reveal the best part of it.

[1322] You just don't know when that's coming.

[1323] And I never could understand that.

[1324] until kind of life took charge and kind of pushed me through it.

[1325] And then I started to think about it.

[1326] I was like, hey man, them guys paid the ultimate sacrifice.

[1327] If you come down here to learn how to live while you're dying, and I was like, they got checked out early, which means they did a good job.

[1328] I'm still working on mine.

[1329] I'm still trying to get my stuff done.

[1330] And I always looked at it as that.

[1331] And my teammates would always push me. And seals are the worst.

[1332] They come down on me harder than anybody.

[1333] There's stuff I'll say on this podcast and they'll rip me up.

[1334] Good.

[1335] That's how I know they love me, right?

[1336] Because that's their opinion.

[1337] I need to hear it.

[1338] But I just try to do, because I was in that loss column, right?

[1339] I was like, I got my ass whip.

[1340] No team guy likes to see that.

[1341] So I always keep my head down.

[1342] Stay humble.

[1343] I tell myself that every day, stay humble.

[1344] Stay humble.

[1345] Daily control.

[1346] And work harder than everybody else.

[1347] The only thing I ever had going from me is my work ethic.

[1348] If anybody out there thinks I got special skills, something like that, took that away from me at birth.

[1349] I had to earn it.

[1350] That's why I'd say, so difficult for me. They called me the anchor man. I was a slowest guy to ever graduate, Buzz, slowest runner.

[1351] I mean, it's funny.

[1352] I mean, sometimes I'm like, how the hell do you even get in here?

[1353] I was like, I don't know.

[1354] By happenstance, I guess.

[1355] And then they're like, all right.

[1356] But then when it came time to putting out, I put out like 10 men.

[1357] That's all you got to think about.

[1358] Like, I don't care what anybody thinks about you, man. You put it out and it's fine.

[1359] Style is your style.

[1360] Did you make a conscious decision to not watch the movie?

[1361] They wouldn't let me. They wouldn't let you.

[1362] I remember that he would show it to me in increments.

[1363] And then I remember the first time my, like Pete pulled the family out there.

[1364] My mother was there and my wife.

[1365] I think Mellie knew the story, but she never had any kind of idea of what was going on.

[1366] Thank you.

[1367] And then I remember they watched it and I came back in afterwards and she just came up.

[1368] Held me. Not like your wife normally does, like she's happy to see it.

[1369] Like, held me like I was damaged.

[1370] Like, she was sorry I had to go through that.

[1371] I'll never forget that.

[1372] And then my mother was like, why aren't there so much profanity?

[1373] I was like, Mom, I...

[1374] I was like, Ma, I...

[1375] So many guys get shot in the head.

[1376] I know.

[1377] I was like, my, I cuss a little bit when I'm fighting.

[1378] That's like, it's a thing.

[1379] It's like, that's hilarious.

[1380] Can you believe that?

[1381] I can, and I love it.

[1382] I know, it's so good.

[1383] And then that's how I knew, like, if Pete did what he was supposed to do, right?

[1384] When we were making the movie, they're like, hey, this is the greatest question.

[1385] Like, hey, if they were going to make a movie about you, who would you get to play you?

[1386] Me?

[1387] Andy Dick.

[1388] That's a good choice.

[1389] I freaking love that guy's humor, man. Most people kind of know that.

[1390] I was like Denzel.

[1391] Like, I want to walk like Denzel and Travolta.

[1392] Like, you kind of kind of attitude.

[1393] Like the actors.

[1394] You know, they're just the coolest dude, right?

[1395] But when it's time, when it really happens, like, hey, who would you like?

[1396] I'm like, oh, all right, let's think about this.

[1397] So that's why I said, you know, for me to pick somebody to play me, that would be, that wouldn't be fair.

[1398] Who are your, did you have ideas?

[1399] Not from.

[1400] No. No, no, not really.

[1401] Because when they asked me that, I go, man, I don't have any freaking idea.

[1402] It's got to be so hard.

[1403] I mean, because I got a little bit of McConaughey, a little bit of Jeff Bridges from Big Lebowski.

[1404] See, I got dude and the Walter.

[1405] And, I mean, there's everything in there in between, right?

[1406] And then when you're kind of sitting there and they think about it, and I'm like, I'll tell you what, I'll just pick the other, help you with the other guys.

[1407] You ask my friends.

[1408] They'll tell you which one of these guys can portray me. And we stuck with it.

[1409] That worked out.

[1410] Well, he nailed it.

[1411] I mean, he didn't nail it because it wasn't you, but it was the best, like, vehicle for carrying your story because he's a legit movie star.

[1412] and he did a great job and there was no bullshit in it it wasn't a there's no fluff in that movie you know it's like you know there's war movies that I'm sure I've never experienced war but I'm sure there's war movies that make you angry like you watch them and you're like Jesus Christ yeah this is a bastardization of the real thing that wasn't that it's good yeah Peter Berg nailed it he nailed it I think it's funny with war movies because sometimes people ask me like hey what's your favorite war movie i'm like well what and what what regard because if you're talking about like gunfire like what it means like if you see somebody really getting it on have you ever seen heat yeah that gun play when they're out there in the street man that is serious business um keanu reeves tom crut and them got them gunplay and john wick like that's keanu's own little thing when he like he kind of that's that's tough i tell like what people when they teach self -defense to women they're like hey we're going to do this wazer going to come through here and do this I'm like, I mean, that's all whatever good.

[1413] There's three spots on a dude you need to hit.

[1414] Shut them down.

[1415] Yeah.

[1416] With women when it comes to pistols, they teach them how to hold them out and do all this stuff.

[1417] That's all well and good too.

[1418] But all you need to do is tuck them arms underneath them titties, put that pistol right there and wherever you point to them headlights that's going.

[1419] Yeah.

[1420] And no pressure whatsoever.

[1421] So you can over -trained somebody or you can just over my life through all the martial arts and seal teams and everything I'd ever been trained and worked with, you realize, and I'm a medic.

[1422] Like, I know all the body functions.

[1423] I know how they work.

[1424] Path of blood, everything.

[1425] I was trained in that.

[1426] So I know where to go to shut something off.

[1427] Like a lot of people, when they get in the fight, I'm going to hit them in the job.

[1428] I'm like, no, no, man. If I'm going to shut you down.

[1429] Like, self -defense, I'll just shut you down.

[1430] As big as I am, as much as I weigh, I don't give a shit who you are.

[1431] If I come at you, I'm coming from your throat, there's nothing you can do to stop me. I mean, there's those openings.

[1432] So when you kind of, as we progress and with, like, with my wife and everything, I kind of train them in that certain way.

[1433] You can, it's kind of funny with us and we talk about this in the SEAL teams I was like man they give us so much tech I mean we drop out of the sky bro with green eyes freaking bulletproof and they give us the stuff to where we end it quick and we do that so they don't leave us there because if you take that away from us and look I'm not going to kill you I came here to whip you until you get in line I'm just going to sit here and send my boys in we're going to whip you down until you just do it to what I'm to do right I mean how do you weigh that right we're so well train that it's that has to be that way it's not that hard to kill a human being and we got nuclear weapons when the hell's that all about we got enough weapons to everybody that's ever i mean are you kidding me i mean sometimes and i was trained for that and i was trained for it yeah and now when you look at it you're like okay like if you're really pissed off at somebody then we'll set it like our way then you'll know like you know i mean i just think sometimes we get so aggressive and people are scared of something they shouldn't be they're scared of something different so you want to kill it man don't kill it just understand it even with us right when we walk into a room same way with the animals like if we walk into a room somewhere there's a bunch of guys in there we'll do the walk by i was like hey i want you to see me first right and then we'll come back around and be like hey what's going on and then eventually you kind of slowly open up that that that that bander so it's a respect thing and it's like a offensive defensive thing my hope is that when i meet someone i never have to do that.

[1434] If I meet someone like you.

[1435] If I meet someone like you, I don't have to do that.

[1436] Shake your hand.

[1437] And we'll look at each other in the eye.

[1438] I go, what's up?

[1439] How you doing?

[1440] What's up, man?

[1441] How you doing?

[1442] And we're good.

[1443] That's it, yeah.

[1444] The problem is when people are vulnerable or they're insecure or they're just, just don't understand who they are.

[1445] And then you have to do this, like, sort of slow dance with them and get to be comfortable with them.

[1446] It's crazy, right?

[1447] I appreciate people that I can just be myself with.

[1448] And there's not a lot of them.

[1449] it's not it's too hard what is that it's it's uh we grow up well it's a lot of things it's life experience it's um accomplishments it's this thing the things you've seen the the the dark moments you've had by yourself it's there's so many things let you know it's like your life is uh just a wild spectrum of experiences and and some people have had a limited limited number of those and those people are the scariest because those people, they don't know who they are.

[1450] And they want to establish themselves, and they want to, they want to force you, they force themselves on you.

[1451] And they don't even know who they are yet.

[1452] The people that know who they are, like a guy like Jocko or a guy like Goggins or you or Cam Haynes or people who know who they are, they're so easy to meet.

[1453] They're so easy.

[1454] They're so friendly.

[1455] They look you in the eye and you look them in the eye and you're like, all right, we're all right, we're good.

[1456] And if the world was like that, if the world was, filled with men who have accomplished things, who understand who they are and know their weaknesses and know their strengths, we'd be so much better off.

[1457] But the real vulnerability in our society, in our culture, is men who don't know their weaknesses, and they want to pretend.

[1458] They want to pretend they're something they're not, and they want to weaken other people around them.

[1459] They want to diminish other people's accomplishments.

[1460] They want to, instead of being inspired by other folks they want to diminish those folks and that's a it's just it's just an insecurity and insecurity comes out of a lack of experience and it comes out of a lack of testing yourself and this is one of the genuine problems that we have with human beings in our in our society yeah was it like 53 % of all americans don't even leave their town is that real they don't even they don't even go outside their own wheelhouse so as they progress through the ranks and you stay there you'll you'll develop your own reputation in that town yeah it's usually when someone like us runs into that town right and we run into them and like why would you be in there's no reason why i should ever be insecure about things that you're you're proficient at i didn't train in it right you're supposed to enjoy that yeah like that's the best part i mean like you're you're the way you think and everything it teaches me something so not only do i not have to go through it you did so i can if you talk to me and i listen and I can understand it.

[1461] And if I run into anything like you, I'll deal with it.

[1462] I can understand it.

[1463] Because some people will get worked up.

[1464] I'm like, man, he's like, well, you know, where's he from?

[1465] I mean, I mean, just kind of step back and think about that.

[1466] And as we grow up, the lucky part about us is they just, we had to leave.

[1467] Like with the men, he was like, back when the Spartans, hey, your ass is leaving.

[1468] Yeah, that's why they did it.

[1469] Yeah, that's why they did that.

[1470] That's why they did it.

[1471] You get a community or a civilization that literally learns how to run so proficient.

[1472] Then you're like, okay, you know, as kids, the boys, man, it's going to be, sorry, it's got to be hard.

[1473] We're going to put you through this.

[1474] I think men just struggle with being defined by other people's opinions of them.

[1475] Sure.

[1476] It's a real problem, you know?

[1477] Like, your opinion of yourself should be based on your experiences in life, and other people's opinions of you should be based on what you've accomplished and who you are and how you are when you meet them, and it should be undeniable.

[1478] Yeah, never let anybody's perception of you have become.

[1479] your reality because they don't know what you're going through and they may catch you in that part when you're on the downtrodden or you're getting your ass handed to you or you're on the peak of it yes so i mean don't even what do you even guess think like that was motivation like that was me wrapped up in that in that body telling you hey you're not doing good enough right it's like a motivational thing to you it shouldn't be at no point in times you'd ever pull somebody stress into you and deal with it right your job is to hit them with your like that positivity that we go through and push it out of them.

[1480] Was it weird when they made a movie about your life when you knew that other seals had died, other seals had gone through very similar experiences and then all of a sudden you're getting all this focus and attention?

[1481] Did you feel like it wasn't warranted?

[1482] You didn't deserve it or you felt like you need to spread it around to all your other brothers who you knew it also died?

[1483] That's a tough.

[1484] That's a great question.

[1485] In our community, that's tough.

[1486] And when they were telling me like, hey, we've got to debrief this, put it into a book, into a movie.

[1487] I was like, wait a minute.

[1488] Are you kidding me?

[1489] Right.

[1490] I was like, my brothers are going to chew me up and spit me out.

[1491] Right.

[1492] And they did.

[1493] But then I carried myself a certain way.

[1494] And they'll, look, no matter what, they'll always talk bad about me. If you're not getting picked on in the SEAL community, that means they don't like you.

[1495] Like, if somebody comes up, like, and they're like, hey, bro, good job.

[1496] I'm like, you're not, you know.

[1497] Right.

[1498] Come on.

[1499] Like, we're a family.

[1500] Yes.

[1501] And none of my brothers really will ever compliment me. They love me and we love each other and we'll fight to the death for each other but they will never pay me a compliment The matter of fact the heart of their army They're like hey you know You're a piece of shit I'm like that means a good job Right So each one of them are different And I never judged When we're in it's kind of unique Because we're in platoons and you can There are different guys I mean they're the guys we keep behind the glass You don't even want to mess with them Don't talk to them You know we've got the geeks The nerds the 12 pound heads Ivy League guys You got, I mean, all across the board.

[1502] So we kind of rotate through.

[1503] That's why they break us up after every deployment.

[1504] So you can't just get in with a click.

[1505] They make you work with everybody.

[1506] Really?

[1507] Yeah, that's the thing.

[1508] Yeah, that's why they do it.

[1509] So what happens after deployment?

[1510] You come back, you got a little bit of break.

[1511] Then you come back in, they're like, hey, this is the new crew you're with.

[1512] Really?

[1513] Yeah.

[1514] You think it'd be more proficient to keep us together.

[1515] But the reason they do that is so we can, it's the teams.

[1516] You have to learn how to work with everybody.

[1517] That's brilliant.

[1518] Don't have a chief that's hard on you.

[1519] man, I don't get along with that dude, but the LPO will be great.

[1520] And then all the E5 Mafia and all them guys.

[1521] And that is by design.

[1522] It's so we'll always remember to love each other.

[1523] Because there's some guys that, you're like, man, that guys are freaking this and the other, he doesn't do this?

[1524] Yeah, but he does this real well.

[1525] And that's why he's here.

[1526] So why would you judge him on that?

[1527] It's not his business.

[1528] And then it's hard to pick that up as you're growing up in the teams.

[1529] I always, I learned this watching the leadership.

[1530] I was like, I hear all the younger guys bitching about the headshed, the leaders.

[1531] because they won't let them fight or they just that and the other.

[1532] I'm like, man, it takes both sides to get us into this.

[1533] If you're the new guy in here, it's kind of like a freshman congressman going into work.

[1534] They're like, hey, I'm going to change everything.

[1535] I'm going to come in here, I'm going to put these rules down, I'm going to do this.

[1536] And when you walk in there and everybody's been there a long time, they're like, you ain't doing nothing.

[1537] Shut your mouth, get a haircut, and check the watch bill, right?

[1538] And then you've got to learn to deal with every one of them guys.

[1539] And that's what makes it the teams.

[1540] Like, yeah, I know no one likes that guy.

[1541] but I do because he saved my life and if he was willing to do that then I don't care about his style that's his style learn to appreciate that because if he's down here and somebody else can tolerate him that means I can I just need to learn how I'm not I shouldn't expect somebody to learn how to deal with me I should try to learn how to deal with them and that's the humbleness I'm like yeah have I accomplished all this am I this and I am I am absolutely 100 % but should I pose that on everybody?

[1542] No, man, I'm going to come in.

[1543] I'm going to learn what you love.

[1544] I'm going to learn how to love that.

[1545] And then I'm going to learn how to operate with it, which makes us unstoppable force, right?

[1546] Immovable object, unstoppable force.

[1547] You put them two things together when they start coming at you.

[1548] And you're like, hey, man, he just loves me for me. Yeah.

[1549] That's an unbreakable bond, man. It's brilliant that they figured that out.

[1550] It is, right?

[1551] It really is.

[1552] I don't think they did it on purpose.

[1553] Really?

[1554] No, I don't.

[1555] because we always kind of look into that and like hey who made the seal teams up how the program start i think it started off of two different programs that were kind of had a good base and they put them together well you can with that being when you know that like you know the outlines right but when you put them together you can't even imagine what it creates it's a hybrid it's spliced so there'll be some things that you recognize but then there'll be some things like man i don't even know what that is right and and once we figure that out we start going through it like we're capable of some things you can't even imagine.

[1556] Yeah.

[1557] And everybody else will look at it because they can't understand it.

[1558] It's just because you didn't go through it.

[1559] And over time, it feeds itself.

[1560] And those that go through it always look back and be like, hey, I had to go through it.

[1561] So will you.

[1562] It's okay.

[1563] Just do it.

[1564] Just do it.

[1565] Was there anything in doing that movie where, even though you never watched a movie at all, you did read the script, right?

[1566] Oh.

[1567] Was there anything where you had, an issue with it or where it wasn't completely accurate or where they were trying to like because you got to take an enormous portion of your life and boil it down to 90 minutes or whatever it was.

[1568] So five or five days into an hour and a half.

[1569] It's as long as it takes the guy to have to go to the bathroom.

[1570] That's how long a movie is supposed to be.

[1571] That's what I was told.

[1572] What the fuck is wrong with you if you have to go to the bathroom for an hour?

[1573] Right?

[1574] Like me, I was like, well, if you're at home drinking, you don't want to.

[1575] And then so a long movie takes.

[1576] about six months to get made I didn't I didn't know all this I love to watch movies I didn't know anything about getting how they they were made and I had to go through the whole process with Pete from right I remember when he the day we were in his office what the exact question you asked I remember it I would just sit there he's so great I mean everything you hear about Hollywood and the actors and how they live in that flamboyant lifestyle that exists and it's great to see but then they also have to go through chaos right to get everything done so those those moments of the bliss, but in between that, there's this hard stuff that they have to go through.

[1577] And I, uh, it was just he and I, and his son.

[1578] I was in the spare bedroom and went to the office and he's writing the script up and I just threw the book across the table.

[1579] I was like, there it is.

[1580] That's a debrief.

[1581] I didn't write it.

[1582] It wrote itself.

[1583] I was like, everything that's in there meant how it went down.

[1584] If there's an opinion in there, that's an opinionate thing, but it is how it went down.

[1585] And then, so he started writing.

[1586] And he, he, he, he, he, man, he would go out and have to deal with the seals and, like, go on deployment and come back, and then we would beat him to death.

[1587] I mean, beat him to death.

[1588] I don't know if anybody can appreciate what that man had to go through.

[1589] Hollywood actor, he didn't even know what he was getting himself into.

[1590] He had no choice.

[1591] And we would go out and have the best time, man, and we would still wreck him.

[1592] At a minute he thought he was doing something good, we'd hammer him.

[1593] And they blanketed the set, like the stunt coordinator, Kevin he was great and then there were the seals that were on there so it got to the point to where man he just didn't it kind of it evolved into itself like you didn't have to make something up there's so much stuff that we kept from the story that if I told you you wouldn't believe me now when it came to the movie we filmed it around the gunfight like what so we filmed it the movie around the gunfight because that's when everyone was alive I was like you shouldn't have known that I was going to be the guy that it out.

[1594] When they were picking the actors, I was like, so if you get somebody, like an A -list actor and then everybody, they'll know that he's the one that made it out.

[1595] I was like, when you're watching the movie, you shouldn't know that.

[1596] Of course, Hollywood does kind of, kind of does their own thing.

[1597] But the craziest part about that whole operation was getting me out of there, and that wasn't in the movie.

[1598] In the movie, they did a daylight extract.

[1599] Like, they came in, landed, a couple of shots, and they got out of there.

[1600] In real life, it wasn't like that.

[1601] it was unbelievable I mean it was a night and I mean the world was blowing up we were in this like a volcano like sitting in the middle of this volcano and I remember looking down the mountain and there was a river running down I mean it looked like miles down and they had moved me they had to carry me I couldn't walk and they kind of like and we would stumble over the Greenbrage Rangers it was a hodgepodge let me tell you something when them guys showed up to rescue me when they found me I was laying in a riverbed dried up tucked under a rock the villagers had shoved me underneath this rock and there was this one guy I had never met before and he was sitting there listening to an AMFM radio and he was scrolling through the channels we hand those out for morale like the U .S. military hands those out and he had one of them I recognized it and he was listening to the different channels and I could recognize the different languages German, Japanese, and he was like, hey, they're talking about you.

[1602] And I was like, okay, I didn't know who he was.

[1603] He's kind of messing with me a little bit.

[1604] Because I couldn't move, and he had this stinging.

[1605] Anyways, it's not important.

[1606] And then the gulab and a couple of the villagers came and picked me up.

[1607] They had to carry me everywhere.

[1608] Why did they save you?

[1609] Because in the movie, it's confusing.

[1610] It is.

[1611] Because in the movie, it's like these guys save you and you don't know why they're saving you.

[1612] When he found me...

[1613] They have to fight the Taliban.

[1614] Can you believe that?

[1615] Crazy.

[1616] So I had been crawling for a day and some change.

[1617] I was like crawling through the mountains.

[1618] And I had somehow, some way, got to the top of this ridgeline.

[1619] I was so thirsty.

[1620] I mean, I thought about this.

[1621] There's an insanity that goes with thirst.

[1622] I was so thirsty that I was willing to kill anything to get water.

[1623] I was going, I mean, you can't even believe it.

[1624] I was drinking my own urine, my own blood.

[1625] Nothing would quench the thirst.

[1626] God, I didn't thought about this in a while.

[1627] And I got to the top of this ridge line, and there was a waterfall.

[1628] And I was trying to slide down into it.

[1629] I was like, I'm just going to go down in here, and I'm going to hit that water, and it's going to get something good to drink.

[1630] So I tried to slide down.

[1631] I just took off.

[1632] I got uncontrollably.

[1633] I started sliding.

[1634] I rotated upside down.

[1635] And I remember looking over, and my rifle was sliding beside me. I couldn't throw that thing away.

[1636] It's like, every time I'd lose it, one of my boys was like, hey, you're going to need this.

[1637] And I flipped into upside down, over backwards, into the river.

[1638] And I remember my knees hit me in the face and it knocked me out again.

[1639] And I was kind of, I mean, I was a blabbered mess.

[1640] Everything was broken.

[1641] And I rolled over and I remember kind of sitting on all fours.

[1642] I picked my head up and I looked up and there was that water fountain there.

[1643] And I remember sliding down.

[1644] This is the craziest thing.

[1645] God, I hadn't thought about this.

[1646] And I remember seeing this little pool of water.

[1647] And I was like, oh, it'd be a great place to get something to drink.

[1648] So I climbed.

[1649] I crawled back up into this thing.

[1650] I leaned into that waterfall, and I remember washing my face and hands.

[1651] My gloves were, I had gloves on the mechanic gloves, and all the fingers were ripped out, and the palms were ripped out.

[1652] So I was just kind of, and it was the best water I ever had.

[1653] I'll never forget it.

[1654] It was cold, and I was hurting real bad.

[1655] And I remember hearing somebody screaming at me, and I kind of turned around, and over my shoulder, there was a guy standing there looking at me, pointing at me. He was like, Taliban, Taliban.

[1656] So I swung around with my rifle, and then all of a sudden, behind me again, I could hear someone screaming at me. They're like, and they were, and I look up, and there's this guy standing on the hill that I'd just fallen off of.

[1657] But he didn't have a weapon.

[1658] He was just pointing at me. And then there was some guys on the ridgeline moving around.

[1659] They had weapons.

[1660] I saw him.

[1661] So I turned back around, and I kind of started to crawl.

[1662] I was like, man, I was in a channelized area.

[1663] It was kind of bad.

[1664] I remember I was leaning against this rock.

[1665] I was sitting on my butt.

[1666] I had my rifle in the hand.

[1667] I was breathing.

[1668] I couldn't breathe.

[1669] I'd bitten my tongue in half.

[1670] I was like, that was a crazy story.

[1671] But the guy screamed at me again.

[1672] I turned around to shoot, and he saw me, and he ducked behind this rock.

[1673] And then I mean right over my left shoulder, probably 30 yards, not even that.

[1674] I hear American American, and I kind of turned around, and it was Gulob, one of the main villagers who rescued me. and I turned around and I had my gun at my hip my safety was off my tension was out of my trigger and he was kind of looking I mean we were staring each other straight in the eyes and I mean I was like like death you know how you can smell death when it's there I was like man okay let's go and uh I don't know why I didn't kill him I don't know why I didn't have to even go to my shoulder to kill him I mean I had the tension out of my trigger I was just sitting there looking at him he was looking at me and he wouldn't say it.

[1675] He said American a couple times, and then he said it again.

[1676] I was like, Taliban, and he was like American.

[1677] And then he kind of put his hands up.

[1678] And I came off my trigger.

[1679] I don't want to kill him.

[1680] And he started walking down on me. He's like, okay, okay, okay, okay, shampoo, hydrate, shampoo, hydrate.

[1681] That's what he said, two English words he knew.

[1682] I was like, shampoo hydrate.

[1683] You know how good that sounded?

[1684] I was like, bro, I would love some water, and if you want to wash my hair.

[1685] It's so funny.

[1686] So if you ever get into a bad sense, situation and you're about lose your mind just say shampoo and hydrate and you'll be fine dude i'm like can you believe that that's what he said to me that's crazy and i dropped my muzzle down and he walked up on me and i pulled a grenade out i pulled the pin don't ever do that and i was gonna it's like if you try something i'll just kill us all i don't care but then he kind of rolled me over and he's like it's okay i got you you know i could just tell you know how when you can tell like hey man i got you i freaking got you you you can feel that like you You can feel if someone's like, hey, man, I got you, and then I'm going to jack you up later.

[1687] And this guy was like, man, I got you, man. And I repend that grenade.

[1688] I'll never forget.

[1689] I was like, I heard you.

[1690] He's not supposed to do it.

[1691] I mean, there's so much crazy stuff.

[1692] Anyways, all these kids came running out from everywhere, and they picked me up.

[1693] I couldn't walk.

[1694] And they carried me down, started carrying me down the ridge line into the valley.

[1695] And there was a village down there.

[1696] And then the kids and everybody, they were laughing and whatnot.

[1697] And they pulled me into this room.

[1698] And they doctored me up, they doctored me up, stopped my bleeding, and patched me up.

[1699] all the water I could drink, and then the Taliban came in after that and then snatched me up.

[1700] So how much of what was in the script?

[1701] I know you didn't see the movie, but how much of what was in the script was accurate?

[1702] Every bit of it.

[1703] Everybody died.

[1704] Like in the movie, when you see those guys falling down a mountain, it looks cool.

[1705] Imagine going past cool to when it looks like chaos.

[1706] Imagine playing your favorite sport on the side of a mountain with people shooting at you.

[1707] It didn't look cool.

[1708] It looked sexy.

[1709] I mean, it was terrible.

[1710] I mean, like, it's getting ripped apart.

[1711] And, like, we would come in, and the guys would just be, like, man, was shot in the face.

[1712] And it was kind of, his eyes were gone.

[1713] Like, I'm a medic.

[1714] Some of them were bad.

[1715] Someone was bad.

[1716] But then, you know, I was like, I didn't know what to do.

[1717] I just started, I never knew what to do.

[1718] Isn't that crazy?

[1719] I was like, man, as well -trained, I was like, I got my ass in a pickle.

[1720] I couldn't get out.

[1721] I didn't know what to do.

[1722] And I would just sit there.

[1723] And there would be times when I would think about my brother and all my buddies.

[1724] I was like, hey, man, you guys are done stupid.

[1725] I'm still here.

[1726] Come get me. And then I could see aircraft flying overhead.

[1727] And I was like, I'm right here.

[1728] And they would just keep flying.

[1729] And then someone would try and kill me. Like a wall would blow up or a bullet would zip through the wall.

[1730] And then they'd have to move me. Man, it was a hell of a week.

[1731] It was rough.

[1732] They left me in this hole for a while.

[1733] They buried me. And, uh, I was like, man, I'm a foreign man, a foreign land, everybody's dead.

[1734] I mean, who knows where I'm at?

[1735] I was in hell.

[1736] I was literally in hell.

[1737] And if it wasn't for them, I mean, and the way that whole thing worked out, it's funny what I talk about.

[1738] It's hard to wrap your head around it, right?

[1739] Like, man, why I'm even sitting here?

[1740] Because y 'all came and got me. I couldn't believe it.

[1741] I couldn't believe it when y 'all showed up.

[1742] I signed up to be an expendable asset, to do that, if necessary.

[1743] That was the sexiest thing I ever heard of.

[1744] I was nobody.

[1745] You know, I have a special skill.

[1746] I was an expendable asset and you work till you become dependable and they'll kind of keep you around.

[1747] So when y 'all showed up, I couldn't believe it.

[1748] I couldn't believe it.

[1749] I remember talking to them guys like, man, I can't believe y 'all made it out here.

[1750] We were out in the middle of nowhere.

[1751] And then the first time I ever got like scared was when they were with me and trying to get me out of there.

[1752] I was like, hey man, I hope y 'all can get me out of here.

[1753] Is that selfish?

[1754] I was like, man, I hope that's a selfish, is it?

[1755] I was like, I sure would like to live, man. And they threw, I mean, it was a crate, to get me out of there was the, it's a whole different movie altogether.

[1756] Those green berets and those rangers and PJs that were on that plane, on that hill, on the hill of the pilots, like Spanky, he was one of the pilots of skinny.

[1757] When they came in, they came in to crash.

[1758] They don't ever talk about that.

[1759] Like, he had to crash that bird on the side of a mountain to get, to get in there.

[1760] And he did it.

[1761] He didn't give a shit.

[1762] He's like, watch this.

[1763] and just brought it in.

[1764] I mean, there was a gunfight going on from the top and the bottom.

[1765] Every aircraft we had in country was wagging, like, spinning overhead.

[1766] The specters, that's the hand of God, or the finger of God.

[1767] I mean, the weapon rehab, and they can look down on you and just erase you.

[1768] And they got me out of there.

[1769] I couldn't believe it.

[1770] I hadn't thought about that in a while.

[1771] What does it like to talk about this now?

[1772] All these years later, Does it Is it Are you You're trying to pull these memories back Do you understand these memories clearly Oh yeah I got them Got them locked in Yeah yeah That's on purpose So I'll never forget What we had to go through So the only The greatest gift I ever got down there was my friends I love them I love my friends Like you can't believe So they The guys I grew up with When I joined the military they kind of separated us right and then i found their doppelgangers right and i they raised them and we we we signed up for hell they put us through hell all of us and they they put us through things and like hey man you know you go through this and send the other and then they sent me overseas and they killed every one of them in front of me i didn't like that i've been through a lot i can deal with a lot i mean there's some things that don't even affect me that will cripple most people like what everything else life throws at you because of what you've been through well no know my blessing was that I don't ever hold a grudge I don't like if we go through something we get over it we're good let's just get through it right but then if you kill my friends and if you hurt my friends I have a problem with that like I don't like that at all and uh when they they killed them in front of me and then I was like I didn't know what to do I didn't know what to do especially coming back to the team you know with all my buddies like I mean what happened 19 dudes died and I didn't make it out of there y 'all had to come get me I mean they whipped our ass bad so I always try to think about it like man all right you know there's got to be one guy down there to get his ass kick so everybody can look at like hey you can get an ass whipping and come back you just can so I had to continually tell myself that and everybody I would run into when they put me on the lecture circuit and I got to run into all of our people and everything they're like hey good job man proud of you like thanks and then to honor all my buddies because if i keep telling their story and talking about their names you'll never forget them that's kind of what i had to i look at it like if anybody had to make it through there to tell the story it had to be you you got texting you got to get to gab you love bragging about your friends when we were sitting around the tents and everybody was like talking about getting out they're like i'm going to start this t -shirt company i'm going to be a podcaster i'm going to be a CEO and make billion dollars and we have those all I ever want to do is buy a bunch of land and have my friends live on it so we could just hang out and that was my blessing so you know going through that and then going back and watching other guys die then after I got out extortion went down they killed 31 of my teammates best friends my brother's extortion yeah when there was a helic the extortion operation when 31 seals died it was right after it was after Red Wing there was a Ranger battalion they got into a a gunfight, a tick, troops in contact.

[1773] And there was dev group guys, Gold Squadron.

[1774] And they went in on a 47 to help out.

[1775] And they got blown out of sky and killed 31 guys right then.

[1776] I remember I was in D .C. when that phone call came over.

[1777] I was in a hotel.

[1778] I'm fixing to give a speech the next day.

[1779] And my buddy called.

[1780] He's like, hey, we lost some boys.

[1781] I was like, okay.

[1782] How many?

[1783] And the first time he called me, he was like seven.

[1784] And then he was like 12, 15, 16, 19, 20, 22.

[1785] He would keep calling me back.

[1786] Up into the point where it was like 31 guys.

[1787] 31 do.

[1788] That's a third of the platoon.

[1789] A dev group guys.

[1790] The most highly trained individuals we have on the planet.

[1791] And I died in a heartbeat.

[1792] My brother's roommate was on that bird.

[1793] All them guys, I mean, what's a small community?

[1794] That guy you have out here watching out for you.

[1795] I mean, we're connected.

[1796] So it's like our whole life, man. It's always been that.

[1797] But you sign up for it.

[1798] Chris Kyle, when he's.

[1799] got killed.

[1800] I mean, it's kind of like all these guys that we grew up with that young boys, they're just dead.

[1801] They died.

[1802] And you learn how to deal with that until you get to the point where we're at right now.

[1803] So when the younger generation is going through it, it's like, hey, it's part of it.

[1804] Like I told you, you came down here to learn how to live while you're dying.

[1805] Anybody who checks out early is because they got the job done.

[1806] We haven't.

[1807] I mean, don't look at it any other way.

[1808] Was there ever a part of you that tried to understand what those guys who were in Afghanistan, we're going through who were attacking you?

[1809] Yeah.

[1810] Like, imagine them not understanding your language or understanding who you are or why you were there, but recognizing that in their eyes, this enemy was on their mountain.

[1811] Sure.

[1812] It's the same thing in them coming over here.

[1813] Yeah, exactly.

[1814] I mean, the village has saved me, I love them.

[1815] We go fishing and we hang out.

[1816] We're exactly the same.

[1817] We live in two different areas.

[1818] They take things a certain way.

[1819] We take things a certain way.

[1820] Are you still in contact with those guys?

[1821] Yeah.

[1822] They live here.

[1823] They live here now?

[1824] Do they really?

[1825] Yeah.

[1826] Yeah.

[1827] Yeah.

[1828] 100%.

[1829] Wow.

[1830] How do they get over here?

[1831] How do you think?

[1832] You got them over here.

[1833] Man, you do me a favor.

[1834] I'll do you a solid.

[1835] Well, you don't have to say where exactly.

[1836] But they're over here.

[1837] Yeah.

[1838] Kids going to college.

[1839] Wow.

[1840] I got to deal with them all the time.

[1841] That's amazing.

[1842] I still talk to him.

[1843] He still yells at me. You know, he's saved me, protecting me. So when he talks to me, he yells at me, and I'm like, I love you too, man. He speaks English?

[1844] No. No?

[1845] But his kids do.

[1846] Oh, wow.

[1847] I speak enough of his language to understand, like, when we talk.

[1848] That's amazing.

[1849] When he yells at me, I'm like, I know it.

[1850] Because they're funny.

[1851] What's his name?

[1852] Muhammad Gulab.

[1853] Muhammad.

[1854] Yeah, Muhammad.

[1855] Yeah, Muhammad.

[1856] And, have you, you have you, you have, you have most of it?

[1857] cousin friends?

[1858] Okay, good.

[1859] So you know when they get upset about, they're like, this is an atrocity.

[1860] God will smite you down and then I'm like, I know, and then they'll look at you, like, I love you, I don't want to talk about this anymore.

[1861] They're so great.

[1862] They're so great.

[1863] I mean, if you kind of understand, they're like the serious hand, they don't, there's certain things that don't mess around with and there's certain things that they'll get upset about, but then they'll get over.

[1864] And with me, I was kind of helpless.

[1865] I was just laying there when he found me. I was in a river.

[1866] lying and he's like hey what's up there's a white boy down here let's get him out of here and then like now now he can't get rid of me now he has to live here with me and deal with all that and i it's so funny because he has 11 kids they're you know they're just multiplying that they do that and uh it's a thing and uh i deal with him just like i deal with the other family member i mean like i'll never forget him and people will tell me like well you know he yells at i'm like man you don't know where we've been through when that dude found me and then he's been shot i mean you can't believe with that dude went through to get me back here what he what he put with put up with up to this point that's why he's here because how many times he's been trying they try to kill him and i you extracted them not me personally but i mean i've had yeah well yeah i mean one thing feeds the other right right i'll never take credit for anything that everyone else had to put a hand into but he's here now dealing with everything else that every other texting has to deal with including me I'll tell you what a big good one's like get me and him in here together I would love that let's do it you know how funny that'd be he yells at me all the time I'm 100 % in let's go yeah he's I think I'm a disappointment in his eyes how great is that dude I mean I saved your ass for I mean you better get to bit you're not even president yet he's like I mean he'll get so upset about some stuff and he's like this is I don't even God was like what's for dinner Let's get down.

[1867] You know, they'll just get over it so quick.

[1868] They're great.

[1869] I mean, like, what do you learn how they yell at you?

[1870] I mean, a lot of people are scared of death of that whole thing.

[1871] But if you have to, if you have to be saved by it, like, I was helpless.

[1872] I was freaking helpless.

[1873] And why did he save you?

[1874] I was like, God Spirit, man. He's this good man. He's a freaking good man. And then I asked him for help.

[1875] So there's a code.

[1876] There's a Pashtiwali code.

[1877] And I was laying there and I looked up at him.

[1878] And I was bleeding.

[1879] I didn't realize how bad I looked until I got home when they dropped the ramp on the plane and they were carrying me off there and there was a girl sitting there I'll never forget her covering her face, crying.

[1880] I was like, I must have looked a lot worse than I thought.

[1881] But no matter what I look like, he got me back here.

[1882] I couldn't believe it.

[1883] Man, we went through some crazy times out there.

[1884] Crazy times.

[1885] I couldn't walk anywhere.

[1886] I was a big man, they were hauling my ass everywhere around that mountain.

[1887] We laid up in the middle of the night.

[1888] People trying to kill us, cars blowing up.

[1889] It was the craziest time.

[1890] And they were just kind of like, hey, it's, you know, it's a Wednesday.

[1891] That's what I thought.

[1892] I mean, I found, isn't that crazy?

[1893] Somebody like that, he didn't owe me nothing.

[1894] Matter of fact, I probably caused him more grief than I did anything.

[1895] And no matter how much I try to repay him, it's always a, that's weird.

[1896] What a situation.

[1897] right yeah I mean I can only imagine what your perspective is well looking looking back on it that it's just this this thing that became yeah I got another one over here it became pop culture it became a movie it became the way people like for for civilians who look at what's going on over there they they can look at it through news stories but The only way you see it live is either through some sort of video coverage of the reality or something like your situation where you can't see a video, you have to have a movie where it's a recreation of it.

[1898] And it's hard for people to understand.

[1899] That's one of the beautiful things what Peter did in that film is that he made it.

[1900] There's no glamorization of it.

[1901] It was horrific and as realistic as I could understand.

[1902] as a person who's never experienced war Imagine having a neighbor You don't like or you understand And then you get into the worst situation He steps up to help you Then you're like, all right Yeah, I don't get along with him, man I don't even like that food I don't mean it tears me up You know what?

[1903] I'm going to sit here and deal with it Just because I freaking love you Yeah I mean because of that If he's willing to put out like that I mean, that's how friendships are formed The guys I grew up with him And we fought together.

[1904] Families, you can be born with him and you can shed blood with them.

[1905] And like, them guys are just willing to stick it out.

[1906] I mean, that's a thing.

[1907] No. And I was, I mean, this guy didn't owe me nothing.

[1908] In the hand of God, right?

[1909] He came showing up.

[1910] I mean, I was in the middle of nowhere.

[1911] You can't even believe it, bro.

[1912] I can't even believe we're talking about this.

[1913] I should have been dead a long time ago, man. He come, I'll never forget looking at him.

[1914] I'll never forget his face.

[1915] Did you ever feel like there was a reason why he found you?

[1916] Sure, of course Yeah Always Like you're meant to tell this story Well I mean we're all meant to go through Certain things And once you kind of I always looked at Like I always told You know If you don't think God's a wild man He wouldn't be good at Christianity So if you want to walk down A rabbit hole How far you want to go down Because there's the kids down here That don't want to do nothing But if you want to go play Let's go do it And then you get down there Where you're in the middle Of a hole And back in nowhere And all of a sudden That shows up I mean I was like Hey, Braz laying in this tree.

[1917] I'm talking about this.

[1918] My wife going to walk in here and friggin, she's like, shut up.

[1919] I crawled.

[1920] I remember at the end of the day I woke up.

[1921] I was upside down over this rock.

[1922] It was hot.

[1923] So hot.

[1924] I remember my mouth was full of blood.

[1925] I couldn't drink enough to quench the blood and mud out of my mouth.

[1926] And I flipped over and I wanted to crawl.

[1927] The river was like right there.

[1928] And I wanted to crawl to it.

[1929] But then all my buddy's blood.

[1930] was running through it and I was like no I'm gonna go this way and I crawled all night and then I remember the moon the storm came in but then it cleared up and I was laying in this tree was on the side of a mountain his roots laying everywhere was huge huge tree and I'd crawled in there to hide I was like they won't see me in here remember that scene for predator when arnold crawls into the deal and he's kind of sitting like that that's kind of how I was and I was looking up and I was like I've had enough I was like hey boss man ivy you hit my you whip my ass like i can't believe i was like i've had enough man i i you killed everything around me i'm humbled i was like just get me out of here and i'll make sure that i take care of it you know what's crazy marcus i had a dream last night and i'm remembering it now where i had mud in my mouth i had dirt in my mouth and i couldn't rinse it out i've never i've never had a dream like that before but it's a dream because i knew i was going to be talking to you yes why i'm here so when that's what it's like right When your mouth's so dry Water won't quench it It's like when that bud And I'm in the heat I remember So in war movies If you could put smell Through the theater It would be real Because that's what a Impulse is And I remember that When men Get to the point Where we fight so hard We want to kill each other Like tear each other apart There's a Something that happens It's like You can't turn it off it's like a ravenous I mean like I want to kill you that kind of thing like I want to kill you not only I want to tear you apart and when we we fight like that because you see your buddy fall and you're like ah come on it's so hard to turn off and then I remember thinking that that was my appetite that I'd been there that I'd fought so hard that I couldn't I couldn't swallow like I wasn't allowed to talk I remember that thinking that so you had that mud and that blood.

[1931] When you're sitting there, you're thinking about it.

[1932] You're like, man, all I have to do is sit and watch.

[1933] Like, I need to.

[1934] But the crazy thing for me, I've never had a dream like that before.

[1935] I bring weird shit in, man. But it's, it is.

[1936] I think there's some sort of synchronicity going on, man, because I got it up in the middle of the night to take a leak.

[1937] It was like 3 o 'clock in the morning, and I'm like, what the fuck kind of dream is that?

[1938] I got a dream where there was, like, dirt in my mouth.

[1939] And I couldn't, I was trying to spit it out.

[1940] I was trying to drink and I was dying at thirst, but I had to get the dirt out of my mouth.

[1941] first and i've never had a dream like that before marcus and having this dream before talking to you it's it's it's it's it's it's it's freaking me out man so a storm hit last night i woke up three o 'clock i kind of do that i think that's like a transition sometimes at the middle of the night there's that there's that there's that the witching area right yeah a thunder and the lightning yeah but it's a it's a it's almost like a taste that you've you've you push so hard that you're like Hey, you shouldn't be killing them like that.

[1942] You guys are brothers.

[1943] And that right?

[1944] You know when you fight your brother so hard, you're like, man, I'm...

[1945] Right.

[1946] Because you're right.

[1947] I mean, hey, shouldn't we like...

[1948] I mean, we could probably get along famously.

[1949] We do.

[1950] But, uh...

[1951] Oh, yeah.

[1952] You can't believe it comes in with me, man. I didn't mean to put a X on you.

[1953] No, I think he...

[1954] I think there's some way...

[1955] And Elon say he was an alien, right?

[1956] You can't believe what I am.

[1957] You're a predator.

[1958] there's a connection that we must have made it doesn't make any sense man because there was no reason for me to have this dream but i had this dream where i couldn't i couldn't get the dirt out of my mouth to get the water in but i needed to get the water in that's crazy i remember it's crazy that i'm i'm remembering this now i remember looking at mike i don't know if i'm sure i've told this story before but we kind of sat down halfway through shot up i'm all busted I look over him.

[1959] He had this mud in his mouth, like in his teeth and everything.

[1960] I was like, hey, bro.

[1961] I was like, you got something in your teeth.

[1962] I'll never forget that.

[1963] I was looking at in the middle of all this.

[1964] And mine was the same way.

[1965] I already, like, I was bleeding through.

[1966] I couldn't even even speak.

[1967] It was just kind of one of them deals.

[1968] And he's just like, and Danny sat down.

[1969] He's like, man, I've been shot again.

[1970] That's not funny.

[1971] I'm sorry.

[1972] But you, it's funny to you right now.

[1973] I understand.

[1974] I understand.

[1975] But his mom's going to haze my ass.

[1976] not funny but he sat down he's like bro i've been shot again i was like you're a little bastard he's like well and mike he goes we all been shot just keep going i was like yeah but mike you got some i'll never forget that and it just kept that was the hardest part that was the hardest part man was that like my nose had been kicked through my face i couldn't breathe through my and every time i had to take a breath i got swallow my tongue i was like it was the hardest thing that's what kind of went shut it down like we fought to so hard to you they shut the engines down and I mean I can't breathe no more and then I got we got blown up and uh that's kind of the end of it but I was like man yeah that happened it's crazy that I had that dream now that I'm thinking about it's like there's I think there's I think like people's thoughts and ideas and consciousness sometimes when someone has had an experience that's so intense as yours that it reaches out and it grabs a hold of other people's consciousness.

[1977] It touches it.

[1978] And I think, I mean, I know this sounds crazy, but I think it touched me in the middle of the night because I knew I was going to talk to you today.

[1979] And it hit me. You don't think that's a real thing?

[1980] I think it's a real thing.

[1981] Okay, good.

[1982] I think it's a real thing.

[1983] I hope so, man, because it is.

[1984] I hope you know that.

[1985] I woke up confused.

[1986] I woke up with, like, dirt in my mouth.

[1987] Like, I was thinking, like, why do I have this feeling?

[1988] I woke up to take a leak, and then I'm like, this is like, an intense, experience of this dream where I had dirt in my mouth and I couldn't and I needed to drink water but I couldn't I was trying to rinse the water out to get the dirt out of my mouth so I could drink water and it wouldn't work but the fact that I've never I'm 53 years old I've never had that dream before so the thing was is I had lost all my water and I was the one place I could so that was when I was drinking my blood my like urinating my I mean and nothing like I couldn't I couldn't get it out and I even so much when they found me I couldn't it was like glued shut and uh when I thought about that since that day but yeah I uh I'll never forget that how much I felt like somebody shoveled like dirt in my mouth and and then mixed it with blood so dry that water couldn't get it wet and uh yeah it was a real thing that's why it's so crazy that I had that dream last night that's not crazy i've never had that dream before it's just crazy that i've had that dream last night knowing that i was going to talk to you today and i didn't know your story i didn't know that part of the story nobody does yeah it was so real i think i think your experience in some strange way connected my mind connected to my mind last night i told you earlier i mean you run into somebody like we're all connected yes that's how it works like the more you go through and the more you open up, the more you open yourself up.

[1989] And then whoever runs into your life, you're a part of that.

[1990] So, yeah, that's absolutely a real thing.

[1991] It is a real thing.

[1992] It just doesn't seem like it should be real.

[1993] Why?

[1994] I don't know, because it seems magic.

[1995] It seems like there's no way of thought.

[1996] You don't believe in magic?

[1997] I do.

[1998] Oh, what the hell's the problem?

[1999] I do, but I don't.

[2000] Wait a minute.

[2001] You don't believe in magic?

[2002] I believe in it, but I believe a lot of people pretend.

[2003] Oh, well, yeah.

[2004] A lot of people are full of shit.

[2005] They are.

[2006] Yeah, they are, man. That's the problem.

[2007] But there's a lot of people that aren't.

[2008] Yeah.

[2009] A lot of people aren't.

[2010] Well, then there you go, man. It's like, man, sometimes you're running to things.

[2011] You're like, well, I thought there's going to be.

[2012] And then you run into the one that's like the real deal.

[2013] You're like, oh, yeah.

[2014] As you go through life, it's hard to sort out.

[2015] It's like you've got to sort out what's real and what's not real.

[2016] And that's why you appreciate the real so much.

[2017] It's because you experience so much bullshit and so much nonsense.

[2018] The way I was always taught to think about that is everyone thinks of perfection.

[2019] Like if we were all like this perfect picture.

[2020] What is perfection?

[2021] It's imperfect.

[2022] Because something that you love is something that I want.

[2023] Something you think is beautiful.

[2024] Maybe I don't.

[2025] And as you go through life, when you break up that perfect picture, you get the pieces.

[2026] And like some pieces fit together that aren't supposed to be together.

[2027] Yes.

[2028] Right?

[2029] Like men and women.

[2030] And then as you go through it, when the connection comes in, like you're supposed to be here and you're supposed to see this and you're supposed to learn that, and then it kind of creates that picture.

[2031] And imperfection is perfection.

[2032] It depends on what side of the picture you're on.

[2033] And as we go through this, everybody has their state.

[2034] age and life and at no point in time is it bad it's hard yeah because you're not ready for it but we learn i think the problem is the word perfection is not a human word no it's not right like the word perfection works with like puzzle pieces like a puzzle piece fits into the other spot because it's supposed to be there yeah but with human beings there's so many variables it's just like the word perfection is not it's not adequate and it's not applicable because the best people aren't perfect like you don't want a perfect person then you get a doctor Manhattan dude we married our opposite yeah exactly in our world like where you and I grew up martial art world I mean that everything that we learned how to do like you and I running together the last two we should have been hooking up with it's them two yes exactly exactly but that's the best two because it's not a perfection thing it's a you know and some some sort of compatibility thing yeah you know and it's also like recognizing that you need these opposites and these different forces in order to get you to understand yourself better and how you relate to other people and that if there are everyone's different and then the best way to experience that is to encounter these different people and to love them yep yeah yeah some people I hear I mean like with the some people come up like hey immediately you're supposed to love this person you're supposed to love what they are I'm like well weird does that exist that's not how it works like first we're going to get to know you and then we get to like each other and then we'll love each other yeah you know what I mean it's kind of a process but in the beginning you're supposed to think all right the opposite let me go get to know what this is and then even there the worst stuff they come at you with you're actually prepared for it whether you know it or not so when you come in there and then over time the odd couples yeah they're the best I mean who's who's your odd couple friend I know you got a friend that people wouldn't even express.

[2035] I mean, it couldn't even expect to have, right?

[2036] Oh, I got a lot of them.

[2037] Same here.

[2038] Yeah.

[2039] And with you and I, man, where we are, what we're designed to be, we're trained for certain reasons, you have a reputation.

[2040] So when they see us paling around with something completely opposite of us, like, what the hell's going on?

[2041] I'm like, yeah, man, it's entertaining.

[2042] I love it.

[2043] But that's a sign of strength.

[2044] Strength, yeah.

[2045] You can appreciate people that are different from you.

[2046] And I think there's also a reality that whoever you are is different when you're around different people like I'm different around you than I am around a different person and it's like you're not you're not autonomous you're not completely independent of the people that are around you you are some sort of a conglomeration of all the people that you interact with and I'm different around you than I am around someone who's annoying or frustrating and I'm different around that person that I am around someone who's like kind and like really easy going and maybe like too open -minded.

[2047] You know, I'm different around different people.

[2048] And who I am around you is a reflection not just on who I am, but also in how I react to who you are.

[2049] That's one of the things about relationships that are so important.

[2050] You know, there's a lot of people that are good people that get in relationships with the wrong person, and it becomes chaos.

[2051] And it's not that that person's bad or that you're bad, but the two of you together, it's fucking, it's wrong.

[2052] That's what I tell you.

[2053] Yeah.

[2054] If you capsulate both of those, like the sin of the virtue, stand by for the ride.

[2055] Exactly.

[2056] I got a meme the other day that said that, it was like, man, they're going to talk to people that love me, and you're going to talk to people that hate me. They're both true.

[2057] They're both right.

[2058] Yes, exactly.

[2059] 100%.

[2060] Never forget that.

[2061] Yes.

[2062] But when we go into those situations, like with you and I, like, hey, man, I'll get as bad as you want.

[2063] I'll go down deep around that rabbit holes.

[2064] You want to go.

[2065] I'll go deep.

[2066] Like, I mean, come on, where it's just me and you.

[2067] Nobody else wants to hang around.

[2068] Yeah, yeah.

[2069] And then we'll get back to it, and then you kind of run into everybody like, oh, I'll hang out with him until this point.

[2070] And there are certain guys down here that are like that.

[2071] And that's a true statement.

[2072] Yeah, it is a true statement.

[2073] Everything's different down here.

[2074] Mm -hmm.

[2075] One and a percent.

[2076] Mm -hmm.

[2077] Yeah.

[2078] That's perfection.

[2079] Yeah.

[2080] The beauty in life is in the imperfection, right?

[2081] Correct.

[2082] That's perfection.

[2083] Yeah.

[2084] Imperfection is perfection.

[2085] Right.

[2086] Right.

[2087] Yeah.

[2088] And perfection is complete.

[2089] It's like there's a, there's a, there's a chaos to life that's, it's, it's not just, it's preferable.

[2090] It's better that way.

[2091] So good.

[2092] So good.

[2093] I mean, if everything was regular, like I get up, I go to this one.

[2094] Boring as fuck.

[2095] Boring.

[2096] Boring.

[2097] Nothing gets done.

[2098] Nothing gets done.

[2099] Nothing gets done.

[2100] No new art gets created.

[2101] No. Let's wreck some stuff to build some stuff.

[2102] Yeah.

[2103] period when we were talking about how the cycles of life and what we're going through right now the same way it's like man they these up the millennials i can't even imagine the generation that came out like the 2020s yeah phoenixes right they were born in chaos born in pandemic freaking i know and now they're coming out they're still tearing stuff up but don't they'll be fine right they're kind of and the people that have taken advantage of the situation and want to impose all sorts of weird rules on people like that that's natural too that's the natural inclination to take advantage of this like this recognition that there is some sort of a weakness in our culture 100 % and they just they just have to attack it that's it with they're attacking it and they're calling everybody racist or everybody sexist or everybody homophobic it's natural it's natural for them to want to do that because they recognize an opening 100 % yeah 100 % like hey man you're a racist I'm like, all right, whatever.

[2104] No, I don't like, I love black people.

[2105] I don't like you.

[2106] You know what I mean?

[2107] It's like when we go, when we go through this, like especially with our generation, they put us into situations like, no, I'm not.

[2108] I'm not what you say.

[2109] I am.

[2110] I mean, you just don't know what I am, but everyone will take their opportunity to jump in there.

[2111] Right.

[2112] And with us, once you've been through so much, you've been called so much, and you kind of sit back, you're like, okay, all right, fine, but, you know.

[2113] It's one of the more unique aspects of being a person is this recognition that there are people, that will capitalize in these weird little openings in society and culture and we're in a weird time right now because of the advent of social media and also this weird situation we are in where there's so many wars going on currently there's so much chaos there's so much like there's conflicts the conflict is a better word than wars it's conflict with China conflict with Russia conflict with Syria this conflict internally there's conflict with the right and the left this conflict with people that want want to be a socialist or a capitalist there's conflict with people with every fucking aspect of our culture there's these weird little struggles for dominance yeah absolutely 100 % you want to get into that yeah you want to use the restroom yeah go peeve that's sure yeah yeah yeah go ahead we'll pause Jamie and I'll talk about you I'll talk about you all right we'll be right back