#2025 - Dave Smith

[0] Joe Rogan podcast, checking out.

[1] The Joe Rogan Experience.

[2] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[3] What's up, brother?

[4] Good to see, my friend.

[5] Good to be back.

[6] It's crackleckin.

[7] Well, I'm just having fun, dude.

[8] Great time at Mothership last night.

[9] That was a good time.

[10] Yeah.

[11] That place is always a good time.

[12] Yeah, I can't wait to go back tonight.

[13] Magical portal.

[14] Fun.

[15] The great fucking crowds, too.

[16] The crowds were amazing.

[17] Yeah.

[18] Just incredible.

[19] Every time I've been there, and I've been there a decent amount now, always great crowds.

[20] Yeah.

[21] It's a fun place.

[22] Filled it, and they will come.

[23] Yeah.

[24] Well, you sure did.

[25] Yeah.

[26] So we were on our way over here, and I texted you that Progossian thing.

[27] Wild.

[28] But not unexpected.

[29] Well, yeah.

[30] Is he definitely dead?

[31] I don't think it's definitely.

[32] I think this is what people are reporting.

[33] I mean, the plane just went down.

[34] I wouldn't say definitely yet.

[35] but I think a lot of us did expect after he kind of flirted with a mutiny against Vladimir Putin and then they kind of came to an agreement and he leaves you're like I don't think that guy is very long to live yeah Vladimir Putin doesn't seem to me to be the type of guy you can try to overthrow and then go my bad I think we're cool what do you think that was all about um I don't know I really don't know um they at first they were spinning it like he was was pissed off about the war, but that never really seemed to make sense to me. I think some type of power struggle, and he kind of went for it in a pretty major way, started like destroying equipment and moving his forces toward Moscow, and then they reached some agreement, and they backed off.

[36] And now a plane went down, so we'll see.

[37] We'll see.

[38] Yeah, if I was him, I wouldn't be going anywhere by plane.

[39] Yeah, you would think, right?

[40] You should take a bus, bro.

[41] Yeah, yeah.

[42] You should take a tank anywhere you go.

[43] You should be inside a safe riding on a bus.

[44] Yeah.

[45] What was crazy is when it first went down, so many people in, like, the corporate press were like, this is it for Putin.

[46] He's done.

[47] Russia's collapsing because they're doing so bad in the war.

[48] And all of those narratives seem to be completely disproven.

[49] Well, what's scary is what happens if Ukraine runs out of troops?

[50] That's what's terrifying is like how many more soldiers do they have left?

[51] How many more people can they force to fight that war?

[52] Like, what is the truth in terms of what are their losses?

[53] Because what you hear from people that are the true believers in the leftist movement is that Ukraine is winning and that Russia is doomed.

[54] And we must support Ukraine.

[55] And then what you hear from realists, particularly people that have been on the ground, they're like, it's a slaughter fest.

[56] It's horrific.

[57] And the ratio of Ukrainian dead to Russian dead is extremely imbalanced.

[58] Right.

[59] That's what I'm in.

[60] In Russia's favor.

[61] Russia's killing a lot more than they're getting killed.

[62] It's hard to know exactly.

[63] It's always hard like in the fog of war to know exactly how many people are dying.

[64] It's usually not until after the fact.

[65] and they do the excess mortality numbers and then you kind of figure out like how many people actually died here but it does seem I think there's no question that Ukraine is doing better than would have been expected like say in the year 2010 if you had said okay Russia's going to invade Ukraine most people thought they would have folded in a couple weeks and it would have been over Ukraine has at least put up a fight to this point and I think that That that is because of the fact that, number one, NATO was training the Ukrainian military for years ever since 2014, ever since Yanukovych government was overthrown.

[66] And number two, that we've poured an unlimited amount of resources into the war effort.

[67] But then that kind of leads to the question of like, wait, so, but if Russia still wins at the end of this, which it looks like they're going to, short of like U .S. intervention, direct intervention, then what did we accomplish?

[68] other than just getting way more people slaughtered and drawing the war out way longer to kind of sacrifice Ukraine in an effort to hurt Russia.

[69] And it's crazy that the same people who support this war support it claiming that they really care about the Ukrainians.

[70] But if you really cared about them, why would your move be to prolong the conflict and let more of them die?

[71] It seems so horrible.

[72] It's very strange when the left is pro -war.

[73] very very strange and it's almost like this this shifting of the polls that sort of seems have happened politically where it doesn't matter what the actual facts of what you're supporting are as long as what you're supporting is endorsed by the ideology right and that ideology is this leftist ideology is that you know we have to have a Ukraine flag in your Twitter bio, you have to support you, and regardless of, and you're not even looking at the, like, objective data to try to figure out, like, what happened here?

[74] How did this get started?

[75] I've never heard anyone other than you and a few other people online even discussed the 2014 coup.

[76] Yeah.

[77] No, it's, um, it's interesting because these, these, the narratives kind of change.

[78] And one of the things that's interesting about the, the made on revolution, um, is that, and like, I've played the last couple times we've been here.

[79] We've played clips of like, what people were saying at the time.

[80] And at the time, there were several people who were basically admitting what's going on.

[81] And they're like, yeah, we're stealing Ukraine away from Russia.

[82] Ha, ha, ha.

[83] Gideon Rose laughing with Stephen Colbert.

[84] There's Senator Chris Murphy.

[85] He was one of the guys who was very involved in it.

[86] And he, like, he went to Ukraine several times during the, when the revolution was first starting.

[87] And, but he was kind of the young guy.

[88] Like it was him and John McCain and Victoria Newland.

[89] And then Chris Murphy was kind of this younger senator.

[90] And he just said the quiet part out loud on a C -SPAN interview back then where he just went.

[91] He goes, oh, yeah, it was American policy that overthrew Yanukovych.

[92] That was our policy that led to him.

[93] Without us, he wouldn't have been overthrown.

[94] And so, like, but now, it's like they would admit it then.

[95] But now, when you talk about it, they're like, oh, no, no, no, that's not helpful to the narrative.

[96] So don't mention that we were involved in overthrowing a government that was more pro -Russian and putting in a government that was more pro -West.

[97] Because that complicates this thing.

[98] It's it reminds me of like there were these, there were these pieces in the 90s where there was like mainstream media outlets covering the dynamic of al -Qaeda and terrorism in the Middle East.

[99] And they would just like bluntly just say like, oh, they hate us because of our military presence in the Middle East.

[100] That's his grievance with us.

[101] Just like, you know, that's the news.

[102] That's why bin Laden hates us.

[103] No one had no one was going, they hate us because we're free because that just hadn't been said yet, you know?

[104] And that wasn't until after 9 -11.

[105] But then after 9 -11, it was they hate us for our freedom.

[106] And now if you were to make the point that they hate us for our foreign policy, it's like, well, where did you get that from?

[107] That's insane.

[108] It was like, but you all admitted that just only a few years ago.

[109] You were openly talking about it.

[110] And so it's kind of like that.

[111] That narrative doesn't help serve the war party.

[112] So now that has to be kind of like in the dustbin of history.

[113] That never happened.

[114] The conflict started in 2022 when Vladimir Putin invaded.

[115] He was totally unprovoked.

[116] There was no other reason.

[117] It's just that he's a madman.

[118] He's bad guy.

[119] We're a good guy.

[120] That's the conflict.

[121] That's the tunnel vision.

[122] You're always supposed to think of war throw.

[123] And that's rarely, if ever, the case.

[124] It's always more complicated than that.

[125] And then as soon as you start saying, believe me, from the last two podcasts here, I've heard a lot of people, oh, you're spewing Russian propaganda.

[126] You're pro -putin because as soon as you start going, well, look, this guy had some legitimate grievances.

[127] We did a lot to provoke him.

[128] And that all of a sudden means you're like on their side.

[129] Because you're no longer, we're good guys, he's bad guys.

[130] I'm like, no, actually there's a lot of bad guys involved in this conflict.

[131] Yeah, you were detailing last night.

[132] It was really interesting with Asan, you and I were sitting in the green room.

[133] And you were detailing the coup and then the connection between the Bidens, like how this all happened with Hunter.

[134] Right.

[135] Well, so the company Burisma who hired Hunter Biden.

[136] So Joe Biden at the time when he was the vice president under Barack Obama, he was the point man on Ukraine.

[137] That was like one of his big tasks that he was given by Obama.

[138] And like Victoria Newland was talking about how Joe Biden would get on the phone to give an add -a -boy to the protesters who ultimately overthrew Yanukovych.

[139] He was very intimately involved.

[140] And this company, Burisma, because Ukraine is a very corrupt country.

[141] They've always been.

[142] they'll are.

[143] This company was like very in bed with the Yanukovych government.

[144] And then Yanukovych's government's overthrown.

[145] And there's a new government that comes in.

[146] And so they were kind of freaking out like, oh, we don't have the government that we're in bed with anymore.

[147] And so this was their move to kind of, instead of bribing the new Ukrainian government, they just went right to the source and bribed, you know, decided, oh, here, we'll put the vice president's son on our board, pay him, give him a huge check.

[148] And then that kind of protects us against the threat, perhaps, of this new government cracking down on us, because they're not going to want to piss off who the real puppet master is, which is D .C. Like, as always.

[149] Because, like, we're the world empire, you know?

[150] And that's the thing what's so crazy about the war in Ukraine is hearing all of these people in, like, the corporate press and the political class talk about how Vladimir Putin's an imperialist.

[151] And he's a war criminal.

[152] And you're like, how, you're just the biggest hypocrite in the history of the universe to be someone who supports the American regime and say, Vladimir Putin, how dare you invade a sovereign country?

[153] How dare you violate international law?

[154] You're killing innocent people, you know?

[155] I mean, to anyone outside of like the American bubble, it's just so absurd on its face that you know, we just got done backing the Saudis in a war of genocide in Yemen for eight years.

[156] Now we're going to turn around and they're all humanitarian now for the poor people of Ukraine.

[157] It's like, it doesn't pass the basic smell test.

[158] No. And it's also ignoring the money.

[159] The money is the scariest thing.

[160] And then this is something that Trump was like really the first sitting president to discuss.

[161] And we talked about that Steve Hilton interview where he said, there is a military industrial complex and these guys want to go to war.

[162] And to have a sitting president say that out loud, like, you know, hey, what am I going to do?

[163] He's just like kind of putting it out there.

[164] But it was, yeah, it was amazing, but it was crazy about it, too, was he was almost saying it, like, the way I'd say it on your podcast, like just someone bitching about it who has no real power over it.

[165] You know, he's like, yeah, I don't want to go to war, but all these guys love war, so war.

[166] And you're like, but you're the commander in chief, dude.

[167] Like, you're supposed to be able to say no. Is it that you can't say no to everything and you have to kind of navigate that fee?

[168] Like, how does that work?

[169] I think, so my read on it is that I think they, uh, they kind of, um, they kind of.

[170] of boxed Donald Trump in with what he would politically be able to do.

[171] And I think that's a lot of what the Russia collusion nonsense was all about.

[172] Because, like, he was running on, let's make a deal with Vladimir Putin.

[173] Let's be friends with Russia.

[174] But once the media is saying, oh, you're a Russian spy.

[175] Well, now you can't really make a deal with Vladimir Putin.

[176] Because then, look, proof.

[177] He was a Russian spy.

[178] So they kind of boxed him in.

[179] I think they manipulated him.

[180] And they lied to him about a lot of the stuff.

[181] I mean, there were articles written about how they had misled him about the number of troops still remaining in Syria when he tried to, he wanted to end that war several different times.

[182] I think that they, it seemed like they really convinced him that Assad had been gassing his own people and that convinced Trump to bomb Syria a couple times.

[183] I don't know exactly what the conversations were like.

[184] I do know that if he really wanted to be the guy who was ending all of the wars and he wanted to be the guy who wasn't giving into the military industrial complex, it makes no sense for him to have people like Lindsay Graham in his ear.

[185] It made no sense for him to make Mike Pompeo as Secretary of State.

[186] It made no sense to have these guys like Mattis and all of the – like he put the war party into all of these positions.

[187] And then he's like, man, they're undermining me at every turn.

[188] And you're like, well, yeah, that's, you should have put better people in.

[189] Before you get into office, and this is like, we were talking about this last night.

[190] They're like, if you could sit down with Trump, what would be one of the first things you would ask him?

[191] What I would ask is like, first of all, what did you think it was going to be like and what was it like?

[192] When you get into office, how much research do you need to do on each individual to find out where their ties are?

[193] And, like, how do you know who to put in what position?

[194] Yeah.

[195] Yeah, no, that's a really interesting question.

[196] And, like, at what point do you realize, you know, like, at what point did Trump figure out?

[197] Like, oh, okay.

[198] Right.

[199] These guys are kind of working against me. Yeah.

[200] Like, my own deep state is kind of, my own intelligence agencies who are supposed to work for me are actually working to undermine me, which they clearly are, and many have admitted at this point that they were.

[201] I'd be really interested to hear what he has to say about that.

[202] Well, there's no better evidence than the, was it 51 intelligence officials that signed off on the fact that the Hunter Biden laptop was disinformation?

[203] Yes, I believe including four former heads of the CIA.

[204] And there's really, it's really something because there's no, like, demand for accountability for those people.

[205] Like, hey, explain yourself, you know, like, how did you sign off on this?

[206] blatant election interference, you know, and that's, it's one of these things like, this is why when the Trump supporters who say that they stole the election, believe that the election machines were rigged or that there was ballot stuffing, it's like, even if they're not right about that, which I don't know, I mean, I've never seen compelling evidence that that is the case, but it's kind of like, I use the example of like if you're like, if you're cheating on your wife and then she's like uh you know like you're cheating on her and then she's like i know friday when you were out i know you were cheating on me and you weren't that friday cheating on her like even though she's wrong she's really right like she might be wrong about that specific day but she knows she knows your like they know this whole thing is illegitimate you're like you stole it and and they really did um they they really did i mean they suppressed the october bombshell that would have very likely tipped the election in trump's favor yeah And tried to make it seem again that Russia was, you know, stealing our elections, which another, you know, is another major factor in the whole Russia -Ukraine conflict that, first of all, what an insane provocation of Russia it was for the last six years to have not just people in the corporate press, but like the head, the former head of the CIA, you know, like on TV every day saying Russia attacked our democracy.

[207] They interfered in our election and then also claiming that they were in a partnership with Donald Trump to steal it from Hillary Clinton.

[208] And I heard senators and congressmen and every media pundit, people from the FBI, the CIA, constantly saying on TV that this was an act of war by Russia, that Russia, they would say it's worse than Pearl Harbor, what they did.

[209] And so if you're from the Russian perspective, you're sitting there and you see the most war -hungry country in the world.

[210] The country that in the last 20 years has fought seven wars, you know, led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, destroyed nations, and they're out there saying, you just committed an act of war against us.

[211] I mean, like, that's quite an aggressive posture, particularly when they all knew it was bullshit.

[212] They all knew from the very beginning.

[213] And so you had all of that, and then they tried to do it again in 2020, claimed this was a Russian operation to, you know, interfere in.

[214] the election.

[215] And meanwhile, all of it was actually a U .S. intelligence agency's operation to interfere in the election, just from the other side.

[216] It's so crazy.

[217] It's so crazy that this is not a mainstream narrative and that the news ignores this.

[218] They also ignore during the debates when Joe Biden was saying that, you know, my son didn't make any money over there and I have nothing to do with my son's business.

[219] Like, it's all.

[220] all lies.

[221] It's all easily proven and there's nothing.

[222] Yeah.

[223] And of course, if Trump, you know, like the moderator doesn't push back during that debate and say, excuse me, Mr. Biden, that's just not true.

[224] Right.

[225] Like, we know there's no pushback on that.

[226] They just let him get away with it.

[227] And he gets to stand up there and say, hey, look, all of these intelligence officials, they tell them, they're backing up my story, that this laptop is Russian disinformation.

[228] And I don't know exactly what it is.

[229] now but I remember there were um they had like opinion polls on this after the Mueller investigation and it's still an enormously high percentage of Democratic voters believe that Trump and Russia were in a Trump and Putin were involved in a conspiracy to steal the election they still believe it to this day because they heard Trump Russia collusion every day nonstop and that is a huge part of why they support this war in Ukraine because they think we're fighting the country who overthrew our democracy and gave us Donald Trump for four years It's all just complete bullshit, but they believe it.

[230] It's crazy how prevalent it is because people are just headline readers.

[231] Yeah.

[232] And the mainstream news is completely captured.

[233] Yeah, and, you know, to some degree, I don't, I'm sympathetic to people who get, you know, propagandized by this stuff because we do, in general in life, we outsource the overwhelming majority of knowledge to other people, you know, like, my like hot water heater broke down.

[234] and I just hire a guy to replace it.

[235] I don't know anything about hot water heaters, but I just trust, I don't know.

[236] You know, I don't know.

[237] So I'll just, you do it and let me know.

[238] We do this all the time with everything.

[239] And so most people have busy lives.

[240] They're working.

[241] They've got kids to take care of.

[242] They got a family.

[243] If the guy in the suit on CNN says it, well, I'm kind of trusting him to be the expert here, and he knows.

[244] And the problem is that, like, the guy who fixed my water heater, I don't believe is a corrupt lying piece of shit.

[245] but the people on CNN are and that's the major problem here it's like you just you can't trust them and the culture in that building in that CNN building is all in support of that narrative yeah and you can't really buck that especially if you're a career person you want to stay on the air you want to keep things going just look what they did to Tucker Carlson who was the number one guy on television and whatever feathers he ruffled whatever people he pissed off I don't believe he's openly discussed it yet because he's probably got some sort of a lawsuit going on.

[246] They removed him because he was a problem.

[247] The way he was discussing things was a problem.

[248] Well, it's very interesting that if you, you know, we've talked about this before when we played clips about CNN talking about you and stuff and like, but if you listen to like CNN, the way they talk about you or the way they talk about Tucker Carlson, not that you guys are in different worlds, but the way they talk about YouTube guys is like, You're these very controversial figures who say all of these things that are not approved of and these like very polarizing figures.

[249] But then you're like, no, he's the number one guy in cable news and you're the number one guy in podcasting.

[250] Like you guys, how are you guys viewed as controversial?

[251] But like CNN is talking to an audience of like 200 ,000 people and letting you know, people are very skeptical of these guys.

[252] I'm like, no, they're not.

[253] These are the most popular figures.

[254] and it's because people can at least smell that you're not bullshitting them the way these guys are.

[255] And that was always one of the things that I really appreciated about Tucker was that he would break with the Republican Party and have a completely different view from them.

[256] He would break with everyone else on the network.

[257] It's like that's so unheard of today.

[258] In MSNBC, if you look down the whole lineup, at CNN if you look down the whole lineup, you cannot point to one host who has a drastically different opinion on an issue that matters.

[259] than the hour before them and the hour before them.

[260] Right.

[261] But if you look at like, you know, the daytime at Fox News where they were on the war in Ukraine versus where Tucker was or where they were on lockdowns versus where Tucker was is night and day difference.

[262] And so, of course, they removed the one interesting guy.

[263] Well, he was kind of doing podcasting on TV.

[264] He had gotten to the point where his show was so huge that he could kind of get away with it.

[265] And he incrementally kept ramping it up to.

[266] He's like, the CIA kid.

[267] killed Kennedy.

[268] Yeah, he started, he started really going for it.

[269] He was going for it.

[270] That was great.

[271] People need to hear that.

[272] Well, the beautiful thing is now he's just going for it on Twitter.

[273] And, you know, Elon's like, okay, go ahead.

[274] And you can see it in him that even though he was going for it on Fox, you can see the freedom he has.

[275] Oh, yeah.

[276] Like on Twitter where he's like, okay, I'm not pulling any punches now.

[277] And I love that.

[278] That's beautiful.

[279] Well, it's important.

[280] It really is.

[281] And people need to wake the fuck up.

[282] Well, look, even like with this, this Trump thing, man, it's like, it's like I was saying how so many people still believe the Russia collusion story, which was all made up, man, and you can go, like, you can go follow this whole thing.

[283] It was all made up and they knew it.

[284] They knew what they were doing.

[285] There's that clip, by the way, before any of this stuff, this is before Donald Trump ever took office.

[286] Do you ever see the Chuck Schumer six ways to Sunday?

[287] You were telling me about it last night.

[288] You were saying we should watch it today.

[289] We should play this.

[290] And let me just preface it briefly to kind of set up what's so amazing about it.

[291] There are these occasional moments where even like I said the thing where Chris Murphy just happens to blurt out like, oh yeah, our policies overthrew, Yanukovych, right?

[292] Like there are these moments where kind of like these rare moments of honesty from the kind of leaders of the regime.

[293] Yeah.

[294] And this one comes because Rachel Maddow asks him like an impromptu thing.

[295] And she says that.

[296] She leads that.

[297] So but this is just, and just so, you know this is Donald Trump has been elected but he hasn't he hasn't been um he's a president elect here so it's after the election but he's not president yet so this was about him tweeting something here but he's he's taking these shots this antagonism is taunting to the intelligence community you take on the intelligence community they have six ways from sunday at getting back at you so even for a practical supposedly hard -nosed businessman he's being really dumb to do this What do you think the intelligence community would do if they were motivated to?

[298] I don't know, but from what I am told, they are very upset with how he has treated them and talked about them.

[299] So, and what happened right before that is that Rachel Maddo goes, she goes, all right, I'm sorry to put you on the spot here, but Donald Trump just tweeted this thing about the intelligence community.

[300] Any thoughts on that?

[301] So it's not like he was prepared for this.

[302] Right.

[303] The most powerful senator in America, his initial gut reaction was like, well, dude, you're taking on the intelligence.

[304] I mean, you want to go up against the CIA?

[305] You think you're going to win that fight?

[306] Yeah.

[307] Like, they're going to get you.

[308] And this was already after, they had already been, they were spying on his campaign.

[309] They had already kind of begun framing him for this whole, this whole Russia thing, which was always nonsense.

[310] Now, it started with, you know, the Steele dossier and all that stuff.

[311] And then they were spying on Carter Page, who was like a pretty low -level advisor in Donald Trump's campaign.

[312] and the allegation was that the Russians had offered him a huge stake in, like, one of their biggest energy companies, if he could get Donald Trump to remove all of the sanctions that we had at the time on Russia, which on the face of it made no sense, because he's like a low -level advisor on the campaign.

[313] He's not even in the administration.

[314] Was this based on intercepted emails?

[315] No, this was based off the Steele dossier, which was opposition research that Hillary Clinton had funded, where she hired this British spy to go like dig up dirt on Donald Trump.

[316] And they put together this whole dossier alleging that he was, you know, he had been in bed with Russia for years.

[317] He was compromised.

[318] It was that the prostitutes were peeing on him and all this like crazy shit.

[319] And they all knew it was unverified.

[320] They all knew it was like, and all of it.

[321] Almost all of it was ended up being disproven.

[322] But so when they went to Carter, but just to understand like the idea of trying to bribe a low level advisor on a campaign to then somehow take over the administration once he got, it'd be like on the level of if someone was like, we're going to bribe the door guy at the mothership to make sure that the Joe Rogan experience only talks about these subjects.

[323] And you're like, I mean, even though there's a loose connection between you and, the guy who works at the mother's show.

[324] The idea that he would ever then be able to come in and take over the show and control, it just made no sense.

[325] But we now know that the CIA told the FBI that Carter Page was a good guy, that he was a CIA informant.

[326] Then they, so they told the FBI, they're like, no, no, no, he's not a spy.

[327] He's one of ours.

[328] So just lay off.

[329] And then the FBI lied about that on the FISA application.

[330] And this was the only guy who went down for the frame job was this one FBI lawyer for misrepresenting what the CIA said.

[331] Basically, they said that he was approached by Russians and that he was approached by a group of Russians to see if he would turn and work for them.

[332] And the CIA were like, yes, he was.

[333] And he came right back to us and told us about it.

[334] And then when they were putting in the application for the FISA warrant, the FBI said he was approached by these Russians and the CIA confirmed it.

[335] So they said that the CIA confirmed that he was approached by these guys, but they left out the part that the CIA said, and he came right back to us and told us about it.

[336] So that one guy was the only guy who got charged.

[337] Did he get?

[338] Because it was so, no, no, no, no, no, no, the FBI agent who, the FBI lawyer who lied on the application.

[339] Oh, interesting.

[340] Page, they had three FISA court warrants on him.

[341] They spied on them all up and down.

[342] Never been charged with anything because he wasn't a spy.

[343] Right.

[344] And there's, look, Donald Trump, even now with all these charges, right, he's never been charged with treason.

[345] He's never been charged with inciting an insurrection because they know they can't get him on those charges.

[346] So what they're getting them on is all these like novel legal theories.

[347] Well, it's not very clear that he violated the statute.

[348] But if we interpret it this way, we could make the argument for the first time ever, that this was actually a violation of law.

[349] It's all like they're grasping at straws.

[350] And it's very clearly, like, they've weaponized the legal system against this guy.

[351] It's not a coincidence that all of these indictments are coming down right now.

[352] Like, why was the January 6th thing?

[353] Why would any of this be coming down right now?

[354] Right.

[355] All those other people in January 6th, they got charged and arrested immediately.

[356] We were talking about that Vivek interview, which is very interesting, where this, woman on CNN, that same woman that did the town hall thing with Trump, was her name, Caitlin?

[357] Yeah, I don't remember.

[358] I know what you're talking about.

[359] She was trying to get him to discuss certain things in a way that would look preposterous.

[360] And she was talking about 9 -11.

[361] And like you said the government lied to us about 9 -11.

[362] Like what, like, would you think the government was involved in 9 -11?

[363] He's like, no, what I said was that the government lied to us about 9 -11 because the Saudis were involved and they knew they were involved.

[364] And she kind of glossed over that and was saying something in the lines of, don't you think that you saying that the government lied to us about 9 -11 supports baseless conspiracy theories, you know, like supports the idea that the government orchestrated.

[365] Like, that's the, when you want to put on the full tinfoil hat with the fucking chin strap, you say the government organized and designed 9 -11, there was bombs in the building, they knew it was all happening, they detonated Tower 7, like, oh, you got to go full hat.

[366] And so she's trying to bring him into full conspiracy tinfoil hat.

[367] And he is going, no, that's not what I said.

[368] And he said something that's factual and she just sort of like pretended it didn't get said and kept, I mean, that's a real fucking issue.

[369] They lied about whether or not Saudi Arabia was involved.

[370] It's one of the biggest scandals in the history of the United States of America.

[371] It was like the biggest terrorist attack on our soil and the government lied about what had happened and who was involved with it.

[372] And by the way, continued propaganda.

[373] up that regime to this day continued like funding and doing business with the same government that had high level people involved in the attack and they knew it and suppressed that from the American people because it would have been you know if you put yourself back in that time it would have been such an outrage if the if Americans had known and in fact one of the first things George W. Bush did immediately after 9 -11 even when all the flights were grounded was get high -level Saudis out of the country.

[374] Let's fly them out of the country.

[375] And this is all factual.

[376] Like, this happened.

[377] It's not disputed.

[378] Including members of Bin Laden's family.

[379] Yeah, yeah.

[380] The whole thing is so wild.

[381] And it doesn't get discussed.

[382] They keep going back to the company narrative.

[383] What's the ideological left narrative?

[384] The left narrative is anybody who questions 9 -11 is a nutter.

[385] And you're a nutter and you're trying to run for president.

[386] And he does a very good job of she repeats the question.

[387] He repeats the answer.

[388] repeats the question.

[389] He repeats the answer.

[390] And she's trying to catch him in this.

[391] And it's like, see if you can find that.

[392] So I'm looking it up.

[393] And what I'm seeing online is that the story has turned a little bit, that the Atlantic has posted audio from the interview.

[394] Ah, he was asking for that audio.

[395] Yeah, it says they released it.

[396] And it says the Atlantic did not put any words in his mouth.

[397] I'm trying to find the audio so we could play it, but it's behind a page.

[398] So he was saying that they put words in his mouth?

[399] Yeah, so, but then what I'm also seeing then in the Daily Beast article is that despite them released in the audio, it says Ramoswami's campaign somehow declared victory.

[400] So they're saying he's, I guess they're saying he said it, but his team is also saying it's still been taken out of contact.

[401] But what are they claiming that he said?

[402] I don't, I'm trying to find the transcript and I haven't gotten that far.

[403] It's behind a paywall again, so.

[404] But let's listen to his interview on CNN.

[405] because the things that it's interesting like we'll figure this out why is it not giving you any volume well it's not the interview yet it's not what's that's her talking oh oh i see and i actually and this is just lifting the curtain and how media works again i asked that reporter to send the recording because it was on the record he refused to do it but we had a free -flowing conversation After our interview, the Atlantic released the audio, more than four minutes of it, actually, and here is the part with that quote that was in question.

[406] What is the truth about January 6th?

[407] I don't know, we can handle it.

[408] Whatever it is, we can handle it.

[409] Government agents, how many government agents were in the field, right?

[410] You mean like entrapment?

[411] Yeah, absolutely.

[412] Why can the government not be transparent about something that we're using, terrorist or the kind of tax accused by terrorists if we find that there are hundreds of our own in the ranks of the day that they were that they were I mean look there's a difference between the law enforcement agent identified I think it is legitimate to say how many police how many federal agents were on the planes that hit between towers like I think we want maybe the answer zero probably is zero for all I know right I've no reason I think it was anything other than zero but if we're doing a comprehensive assessment of what happened on 9 -11.

[413] We have a 9 -11 commission.

[414] Absolutely, that should be an answer.

[415] The public knows the answer to.

[416] No. Okay.

[417] Vivek did nothing wrong.

[418] There's nothing...

[419] There's literally nothing wrong with what he said there.

[420] But that's like, we're doing this in comparison to January 6th.

[421] So we do want to know how many federal agents were involved in January 6th.

[422] And imagine if there was actually federal agents that were involved on the planes in 9 -11.

[423] He didn't say there were.

[424] No, he specifically said zero.

[425] I'm sure it was zero.

[426] I'm sure it was zero.

[427] But we'd want to know.

[428] Right.

[429] But we'd want to know.

[430] And he's saying if you're claiming this was an act of terrorism, just like that was an act of terrorism, then okay, let's have a commission, let's have a report, let's know how many federal agents there were.

[431] And so far, I mean, by the way, it's crazy they try to spin this.

[432] Does she keep going?

[433] Can I hear what her take on that is?

[434] Yeah, there's still another minute on this video.

[435] Please play the rest of it.

[436] Okay.

[437] I want to hear what she has to say about this.

[438] Herself, he was, in fact, quoted accurately.

[439] In an email to CNN, after that audio was published, his spokesperson.

[440] spokesperson said, the audio clearly demonstrates that Vivek was taken badly out of context, and even this small snippet proves that.

[441] We continue to encourage the Atlantic to release more of the recording rather than their carefully selected snippet so that the full context and reality is exposed.

[442] I should note that spokesperson did not explain how he was supposedly taken out of context.

[443] The reality is that Vivek Ramoswamy is running to be president of the United States.

[444] He will be on that debate stage tomorrow night.

[445] And he says this is a central message to his campaign.

[446] This campaign is founded on the truth.

[447] The truth.

[448] We will not back down from the truth.

[449] We stand for the truth.

[450] I am a patriot who speaks the truth.

[451] Well, the truth is he did say it.

[452] The quote was accurate and it is on tape.

[453] And yes, this is how the media works.

[454] You get quoted for things you say accurately.

[455] Yeah, but that is still out of context.

[456] It's clearly out of context.

[457] Otherwise, they would have released the entire recording.

[458] I know.

[459] And it's this weird thing where they brag about how like, but you know what, the Atlantic did release four minutes of audio.

[460] Well, why not just release the whole thing?

[461] Right, but this was after he had said they didn't release it because they hadn't.

[462] Right.

[463] So he's asking for the copy of it.

[464] They would not give it to him.

[465] And then they released this small snippet that is, again, taken out of context.

[466] And it's not as if anywhere in there he said.

[467] says I believe there were federal agents in on January 6th he said it's probably zero well on 9 -11 he said it's probably zero but he said he's asking the question about January 6th but he never even said I believe January 6th was an inside job he said like it seems like entrapment like that's kind of what it seems like and we have a right to ask these questions yeah Vivek Vivek's a very a very sharp guy I had him on my podcast he's very he's a very impressive guy it's very smart and he's look he's just 100 % right here Look, who is it?

[468] Ray, the FBI director, was asked, and one of the other top -level Justice Department people were both asked when testifying before Congress whether there were any federal agents or assets involved in January 6th, and they both said no comment.

[469] They both said we cannot talk about ongoing investigations.

[470] So the only time this was actually asked to high -level people, they didn't shoot us a no. They didn't say no, absolutely not.

[471] Let me steal man this.

[472] Would it be if you were running the FBI and there was something like this march on the Capitol and a bunch of people were saying that the election was rigged and people were storming the Capitol or they're going to be on the lawn outside of the Capitol, wouldn't you want to have federal agents out there?

[473] Wouldn't that be a smart thing to do?

[474] Sure.

[475] Because what if they are organizing something that's highly illegal?

[476] What if there are some fucking real loons that are bringing explosives and dirty bombs?

[477] Who fucking knows, right?

[478] Just imagine the possibilities.

[479] I mean, doesn't it seem like that is what they're supposed to do?

[480] Sure.

[481] But you wouldn't have them out there screaming, we're going to storm the Capitol.

[482] right storm the capital so that's where the difference is but there were just the question is did that happen right right you know so if there were just like FBI agents embedded in uh some type of protest to you know watch out for criminal activity and then if there was some like arrest the person or whatever that would be reasonable but if they're in there to try to provoke um criminal activity that's a whole different story and if the case was that they were sending the FBI in there because they were worried about violence and they wanted to, then you'd also wonder, why was it that the Capitol Police didn't get the reinforcements that they had requested?

[483] And like, why is it that there were these other two, like, explosives that we've still never gotten the answer to?

[484] There's just a lot of stuff about January 6th that doesn't completely add up.

[485] And I think Vivek is 1 ,000 % right to, like, say, we should be, we should be demanding the answers to this.

[486] Yeah.

[487] That's all.

[488] Like, that's, I think that's a completely reasonable take.

[489] And, you know, CNN, they do this thing where as soon as you start, like, inquiring about these things, they try to smear you as like this is, you know, you're some type of conspiracy nut or something like that.

[490] And the funny thing about it is that, like, look, we all know their elites conspire and, you know, intelligence agencies conspire.

[491] And they've carried out tons of operations throughout the years.

[492] We know that.

[493] So why is it so unreasonable to question whether, like, what exactly are they doing right now?

[494] Right.

[495] It's not nothing.

[496] You know what I mean?

[497] It's not just that.

[498] There's also been cases of clear entrapment that we're all aware of that they got away with.

[499] And one of the big ones is that 19 -year -old kid who was talked into detonating a bomb that wasn't even a bomb.

[500] But I believe it was by the FBI and I believe it was in Dallas.

[501] Is that where it was from?

[502] Do you remember that story?

[503] I remember the story.

[504] Yeah, I don't remember the details of it.

[505] But yeah.

[506] They took some young sort of delusional guy, and they literally kind of conned him into blowing up this bomb, and it wasn't a bomb.

[507] They gave him a cell phone, do this, and it's going to do that, and it's going to blow up.

[508] And he does that, and then they arrest him.

[509] But you told him to do it.

[510] You got him to do it.

[511] You talked him into doing it.

[512] There's been dozens of these since 9 -11, these kind of entrapment things.

[513] And then the FBI brags about how they thwarted a terrorist attack.

[514] But, like, there was never a terrorist attack.

[515] The governor of Michigan.

[516] That one's bananas.

[517] And it is, it's really sad because like the thing with Whitmore, what they end up doing is kind of like loring in these really sad people.

[518] Yeah.

[519] You know, like the guy's like a homeless guy who's a drunk who's living, you know, in an attic somewhere or something like that.

[520] And then they kind of get this guy to go along with it.

[521] And he like resists the first three times.

[522] And he's like, no, I don't want to do anything like that.

[523] No, this is crazy.

[524] And then they keep pushing them and pushing them.

[525] and they finally get this guy.

[526] So they created the event to begin with.

[527] There was no threat that this was going to happen until you guys like lord this really sad, in most cases, not very bright guys into doing this thing and then arrest them.

[528] The craziest thing is the numbers.

[529] Wasn't it like there was 14 people and 12 of them?

[530] Yeah, the whole thing was basically feds.

[531] And what was the purpose of it?

[532] The purpose.

[533] of it was to kind of paint this picture of the anti -lockdowners as being these violent threat and so that this would then hurt Donald Trump in his election campaign.

[534] So it's not just like that they were just doing this.

[535] It's like they were doing this with a political like motivation.

[536] This is what's so like this is the thing that's so creepy and what so many people are waking up to.

[537] That's part of the reason.

[538] Look man, this is the reason why that Richmond North Richmond song blew up so big.

[539] Because so many people today, and it's kind of what's exciting about the current moment.

[540] It's also a little bit scary, but that so many people are just kind of waking up to how corrupt this whole thing is.

[541] And you're like, oh, it's all fake.

[542] It's all, that was, do you remember the one we just mentioned what Tucker Carlson said he had a source that had read all of the Kennedy files?

[543] This is when he said the CIA killed Canada.

[544] And he goes, and then we asked him, point blank, was the CIA involved in the assassination of Jack Kennedy?

[545] And the guy's response was he goes, yes, it's all fake.

[546] The country isn't what we thought it was.

[547] I remember just that was like a powerful, like just to say, it's all fake.

[548] I think more and more people are waking up to that.

[549] Like these people on CNN all day, you know, they act so like, they have this air of like moral superiority and concern about, well, listen, this could lead to dangerous conspiracy theories.

[550] This is dangerous for our democracy.

[551] This is blah, what about these downtrodden people or whatever?

[552] And then meanwhile, you're like, but you guys have no interest in finding Epstein's client list, really?

[553] Like, how are you not talking about that every day, man?

[554] Right.

[555] Like, every day.

[556] Like, you're telling me we found out that there was a ring of, like, a child rape ring with the most powerful people all involved in it.

[557] And you're not just demanding every day that we get to the bottom of this.

[558] And in fact, we know that that one ABC reporter had the story suppressed when she first broke the Epstein story, right?

[559] She was on the hot mic talking about it.

[560] And like, so you're like, well, where do you get off?

[561] Like, acting like you're the, yeah, this is how the media works.

[562] You get quoted and then we quote you.

[563] And then we show you, that's how the media works.

[564] Like this air of superiority where you're, like you've been caught red -handed on so many different things.

[565] You lied us into every freaking war in the last 20 years.

[566] years.

[567] You suppressed the Epstein story.

[568] You bullshitted about the Hunter Biden story.

[569] You're all now even admitting it.

[570] Even they're admitting it now.

[571] Oh, yeah.

[572] Well, it turns out there is a whole real corrupt thing to be investigated here about the Bidens.

[573] And it's like, but then they still turn around and have this like, well, we're the news.

[574] And that's what happens.

[575] And then they're very concerned with, you know, you spreading misinformation or something.

[576] The Ivermectin thing.

[577] Yeah.

[578] The new, now the CDC or the FDA rather, can't.

[579] stop doctors from approving ivermectin for COVID.

[580] Yeah.

[581] There's this giant wave of COVID right now that's happening, supposedly.

[582] Well, according to Alex Jones, he has information.

[583] You see that?

[584] Yeah.

[585] He said he talked to like high level NSA guys.

[586] I'm sorry, TSA guys who told them that like masks and airports are coming back and that there's going to be a big ramp up in COVID.

[587] And I was really hoping this would fall into the Alex's.

[588] Jones wasn't right category, I still am, but it was really weird that after he said that for the next few days, everybody in the corporate press is talking about COVID again.

[589] Not only that, there's a mask mandate that got passed at one college, and then Lionsgate passed, they instituted a mask mandate for other employees.

[590] Yeah, yeah.

[591] Which is wild.

[592] I really, I have a hard time imagining that they would really try to ramp the COVID thing back up.

[593] Also, all of the, all of the science.

[594] seems to indicate that this new strain is less deadly than even Omicron was.

[595] And so, like, what are we even talking about here?

[596] But they're trying to push another round of boosters.

[597] There already, I saw there was a Pfizer spokesman on CNN the other day.

[598] This is why you really need to get this latest booster.

[599] And they say, does this booster protect against the newest variant?

[600] And he said, it looks like it does.

[601] It looks like it does.

[602] Okay.

[603] It looks like it does.

[604] That's what you've got for us now.

[605] Not even this, like, it's so funny how far it's fallen.

[606] It's not just like, if you take this vaccine, you won't get it and you can't transmit it.

[607] Listen, it's 95 % effective.

[608] It's totally safe and effective.

[609] It'll definitely, and now it's just like, oh, looks good.

[610] Shoot another one, man. What are the effects of taking eight MRI vaccines in two years?

[611] I don't know.

[612] Looks good.

[613] Take it.

[614] That's where they're at.

[615] But there's enough people out there that are.

[616] just headlined readers that are going to listen to that, that haven't had these discussions that don't know this information, that are just going to take it?

[617] Well, yes, but there are some things that are encouraging.

[618] You know, to me, it's very encouraging how much noise RFK has been making and that he's been like, even within the Democratic primary, he was polling at like 20 percent in several polls amongst Democratic voters, like, okay, that's something.

[619] And if you look at the rate of the vaccination rate, it was the, the, you know, the The initial double jab and the Johnson and Johnson, like when they initially rolled it out, they got up to, I think, somewhere in the neighborhood of like 75 % of the adult population got it.

[620] And this was with a lot of coercion, you know, not just like people just got it.

[621] It's like a lot of people had their jobs threatened if they didn't get it and had pressure from family and stuff like that.

[622] And then if you look at the boost, the rate, the first booster, it was like half of that.

[623] And then the next round of boosters, it was like way lower than that.

[624] So most of the American people maybe did get the original double jab, but they have not been buying into this like booster regime of like I have to keep getting more and more.

[625] Well, they probably got COVID too.

[626] And they probably got it pretty bad.

[627] And it was probably quite a few people at least that got it.

[628] I mean, that's the Cleveland Clinic statistics, which are really interesting.

[629] That's the study they did on the health care workers that show that the more jabs you got, the more likely you were to get COVID, which is so crazy.

[630] Yeah, which is really scary.

[631] And there was a lot of, there was a lot of scientific arguments that were made even before that, that were like, there's a real concern that this is the case.

[632] Yeah.

[633] That, in fact, the vaccine is essentially tricking your natural, like your natural response.

[634] Including Hotez said that.

[635] And that's one of the things he said while Trump was president, you know, which is.

[636] So fascinating that they can change their ideas about vaccines, depending upon who's the president.

[637] Before Trump was president, when Trump was president, they were all saying, are you going to take it?

[638] I'm not going to take it.

[639] Biden was saying it.

[640] Who knows?

[641] Who knows what's in there?

[642] Kamala Harris was saying it.

[643] Fouchi was saying it could take years.

[644] And he literally said specifically this, that, you know, actually sometimes the vaccine can have a reverse effect.

[645] So it would take years of us studying this before we knew whether this helped or it could actually make it worse.

[646] They were all saying it.

[647] And then as soon as the vaccine, you know, as soon as Trump lost the election, as soon as the vaccine rollout started, again, it's just like the thing in Ukraine, you know, it's just like the thing with al -Qaeda.

[648] Oh, that's gone.

[649] All that stuff we were admitting five minutes ago, you're a crazy person if you say that now.

[650] Right.

[651] Because now there's the new agenda.

[652] And this is how the propaganda goes from that.

[653] I will say, man, I think that if they're going to do this, like if they're going to bring back like mask mandates if businesses are doing this i i think like the thing that happened with bud wiser or with bud light when they put that dylan uh uh fellow on the uh on the can and they like we need that times 10 like i completely support people's right to stop drinking bud light if they don't like what's on the can you know you don't have to have a cultural thing forced on you that you don't agree with but like there's got to be some type of response where like if you're bringing back mask mandates we're boycotting your business like we're just not we're not fucking with people who are going to try to force this all down our throat again because it's insane and it's like at a certain point it's got to stop like dude first off the cloth masks don't even work and all the studies indicate that it doesn't even slow the spread or anything um and this is just insane like if you're very sick and you're concerned about uh COVID then all right fine you can like kind of isolate yourself But let the rest of people, like, live a life.

[654] You can't go back to all this insanity again.

[655] It's crazy because it's once people have accepted it and once it's a thing that happened, it can happen again.

[656] And it seems like they kind of want it to happen again.

[657] At least some people want it to happen again, regardless of what the information is about the effectiveness of mass, regardless of, like, the very low fatality rate for this new strain.

[658] Like, regardless of that, they still, they want to go back to where we were.

[659] And they want to be able to say that they did the right thing, that they protected people.

[660] Yeah.

[661] It's so weird how into it a lot of people got with the COVID thing.

[662] Like they got into being on lockdown.

[663] They also got into enforcing other people's, you know, people's, like, when you have a bunch, like, one of the things in L .A. they were doing, they were turning people in for having parties.

[664] Remember that?

[665] They were like, snitches get stitches.

[666] but in L .A., they get rewards.

[667] You get rewards.

[668] People were forcing other people to comply.

[669] It's really weird.

[670] It's weird how that happens.

[671] So, you know, you get people that act like prison guards, you know, that, like, they're a little special because they can catch you doing the thing that you shouldn't be doing that everybody should be fighting back against.

[672] Yeah, well, it's like, you know, you know there were like the Milgram experiment.

[673] where they get people to zap them until they think they're dead because the person in a white coat tells you to keep zapping them and they're screaming in pain and most of the people would just keep doing it even after it looked like they were dead and that kind of gave this like image of like oh so this is like kind of how authoritarianism works like there's this authority figure and then people just comply and they just follow it and they just follow orders and like that's there's an element of that obviously I mean they demonstrated that in the experiment but then it's like it's almost more like the Stanford prison experiments that's really really more the complete picture that like everyone gets into their little role and they actually really enjoy it and that's how authoritarian regimes actually like come to be yeah and continue themselves is that it's not just that like oh you know like um you know Hitler said we're supposed to hate the Jews and I'm not going to say no to him so I guess we got to hate the Jews it's more like those people get really into hating the Jews yeah yes those fucking Jews they're the ones who did that you know what I mean like it's kind of like that's the real sick thing when your neighbor it Just little things, man. I remember in like April of 2020 going to visit my mother and being in her apartment building and her like one of the neighbors that's kind of like busybody, older lady, like came right up to us and she goes, visiting and without masks, really?

[674] And you're like, lady, like, go back down the hall.

[675] Like I'm bringing my kids to see their grandmother.

[676] And I'm not doing that because you're weird.

[677] like go away like I mean I didn't say it exactly like that and I said I think I just said something like I go yeah you don't want to get too close to us you know like social distance right like okay but it's it's crazy like people would get into that and like somehow you could be demonized for the crime of bringing little kids to see their grandmother yeah you know what I mean like that's something really creepy about that visiting and without masks like I'm gonna wear a mask to my mom also you're gonna have a conversation in the hallway and cites statistics about the effectiveness of masks.

[678] Right, right.

[679] Like, what are we going to do here?

[680] Like, I'm not persuading you.

[681] So it's just like, yeah, let's distance.

[682] Stay over there.

[683] It's just such a weird thing that people bought into.

[684] Has there any compelling data that masks have an effect?

[685] They had a couple studies that seemed to indicate it.

[686] But then when they kind of broke it down, it's like, oh, no, they really manipulated these studies.

[687] And they left out all of these other areas that, like, kind of showed that it didn't work.

[688] I don't have, I don't remember, like, right offhand, but there were major studies that indicated that the mass compliance rate and the spread of COVID had like no correlation to each other.

[689] It like, it really didn't matter.

[690] The outdoor cloth mask thing is just insane.

[691] There's like, you don't transmit COVID outside unless you're like right on top of each other.

[692] And also, and I know it was, who was it?

[693] Oh, I'm blinking on the, I'll remember in a second, but there was a major study that came out That also showed that there was no correlation in the lockdown, in areas that locked down versus areas that didn't lock down.

[694] It just did nothing.

[695] It had almost no effect whatsoever on the virus because it's like it's an upper respiratory virus.

[696] It spreads, you know?

[697] You kind of can't really stop that from happening.

[698] And the best thing to fight against it has always been, this has now been proven empirically, but would have been easy for anyone to figure out before is natural immunity.

[699] That's the best protection you have is if you can get COVID and get over it.

[700] And they were trying to say that natural immunity was a myth, which is so wild.

[701] Yeah.

[702] So wild.

[703] And it's clearly stronger than any immunity you get from the vaccine.

[704] The only debate is over how much stronger it is.

[705] And I've seen some, there was like one Israeli study that showed that it was 75 times more stronger than the vaccine.

[706] And then there was one that showed it was like 35 times.

[707] But whatever the number is, it's clearly much better for you.

[708] And you just get to a point where like, what was it was like a 1 % death?

[709] I think on the original strand of COVID and that 1 % is obviously largely driven by old sick people that's where most of the death is coming from and what they did with nursing homes well yeah and then they forced COVID positive people in there crazy they forced those people to stay in nursing homes and when they had COVID in nursing homes it spread like wildfire and all these people that were on death's door already wound up dying And it's like it's crazy because it's only a few years later, but this is how this stuff happens.

[710] You know, even like we were just talking about how like, oh, that old thing that we used to admit, you're not allowed to admit that anymore.

[711] But it's almost like you give a pass for all of these things.

[712] Like, do you remember that like, oh, yeah, they just made, like, they made Cuomo the hero governor.

[713] Yeah.

[714] And every day he's on TV and what, he won a fucking Emmy or whatever for it.

[715] People are saying they were Cuomo.

[716] Sexual.

[717] Yes.

[718] And they just tried.

[719] Oh, he's so presidential.

[720] Donald Trump is leading.

[721] He's leading.

[722] Then two seconds later, he's out.

[723] But they let his brother interview him every day on CNN.

[724] Like that they wouldn't even pretend there's a journalistic integrity issue with having the brother of the governor sit down and just congratulate him every day.

[725] While we're in the middle of the biggest crisis, that's what you do to like hold power accountable.

[726] You let him sit down with his brother every day.

[727] I can't believe even as corrupt as I'm.

[728] know like all the corporate press like institutions are I can't believe there wasn't someone there who goes this is too much of the appearance of yeah like we're not even pretending let's have someone else interview him every now let don lemon do the Andrew Cuomo stuff you know right I think they thought it was cute that they would talk shit to each other yeah like that was the fun thing that it was like paling around with my brother yeah I'm sure it was great for ratings they thought he was going to be the president man and then for what for whatever reason, they turned on him.

[729] Yeah.

[730] And it's wild watching the Democrat establishment turn on that guy.

[731] Because in the beginning of the pandemic, he was, what do you think it was?

[732] Do you think it was the nursing home statistics?

[733] No. What is it that like where he became a liability?

[734] Because there was a lot of people that were saying like that guy could be the big guy to challenge Trump.

[735] It I don't think it was the nursing home thing.

[736] I don't think it was any of his track record on COVID because I mean, look, Newsom has a terrible track record on COVID, but they're not like turning on him over that.

[737] I think it's like pissed off some powerful people behind the scenes.

[738] Some shit like that happened because it was a concerted effort.

[739] Like he was being propped up like the next guy and then they were like, we're pulling the floor out from underneath this guy, just like that.

[740] That was, it was crazy during COVID how many of those things happened where like, you know, they'd go like with very.

[741] little time in between they'd go from being like okay like you can't leave your house you they were like demonizing uh kids who are on the beach you know being like look how reckless these kids are being they're out on the beach with their friends you know MSNBC's like this guy's not wearing a mask you know like demonizing anyone who went outside and then it was like well if you're protesting for black lives matter that's totally cool you guys can all do it huge groups go for it no problem and it was like dude but yesterday you told me to give up my life and like put everything on But now if it's for this cause, it's okay.

[742] Or like the way they were, we were at 5 p .m. Everyone was applauding for the nurses.

[743] But now if that nurse won't get vaccinated, fire her, you know, like, screw.

[744] You're like, whoa.

[745] The hero just became like.

[746] Nurses that already had COVID and gotten over it.

[747] Well, I mean, all.

[748] It's so unscientific.

[749] Well, all of those nurses had been working throughout the pandemic.

[750] So they had surely either gotten COVID or figured out how to protect themselves.

[751] from getting COVID you know what I mean there's just no there was no argument that like they must get the vaccine right there's a nutty time man very and it still is it still is I mean this stuff this stuff with Trump you know he's a tomorrow supposed to turn himself in in Georgia and I'm not sure exactly I was reading about it yesterday and it's not exactly clear I guess because the deal hasn't been made but it was something like like a two hundred thousand dollar bond is what they were saying and And then it looks like he's going to have to actually go into the jail.

[752] So I think they're going to book him.

[753] I think that means mugshots, which is, I think, something that they're going for.

[754] I think they like the optics of that a lot.

[755] Trump has already agreed to a $200 ,000 bond with certain condition, including limits on social media posts.

[756] That's a really interesting one.

[757] Wow.

[758] Limits on social media posts about the case.

[759] But if he violates it, judges may have limited enforcement options.

[760] That's interesting.

[761] So this is one thing that's much different than any of the other indictments.

[762] This is the first time that a judge has said.

[763] And, you know, they can do this crazy stuff that seems wildly unconstitutional and just a very basic violation of liberty is insane to me. But they can have like these gag orders, you know, like Roger Stone when he was first charged was not allowed to speak about it.

[764] Like you can't defend yourself publicly.

[765] You can't speak about the case.

[766] And they're allowed to do this.

[767] They go, we'll throw you in jail if you speak about it.

[768] um it's kind of like this weird system where once they agree they kind of have the right to keep you in jail until your trial legally um and so if they release you they can say well these are the conditions and it can kind of be anything you know um but the idea that you could say well okay you can't defend yourself publicly you know you can't post on truth social or Twitter or whatever about this is such a weird thing.

[769] If you believe in liberty at all, it's a weird thing because liberty is kind of predicated on the presumption of innocence.

[770] Like if you don't have the presumption of innocence, then there's no such thing as freedom.

[771] I mean, you could say we have freedom, but if I accuse you of something, you're guilty, then you don't have any freedom.

[772] So supposedly, we're innocent until proven guilty.

[773] So Trump's innocent of these charges, and yet they can still tell you you're not allowed to post this.

[774] You're not allowed to say this.

[775] But what's particularly interesting in this case is that this just smells a lot like election interference because from the political standpoint, if this is the biggest national story of a presidential race, and Joe Biden can say whatever he wants about it, or the Democrats can say whatever they want about it, but Trump isn't allowed to defend himself.

[776] Like he's not allowed to comment on it at all.

[777] That seems like you're rigging the system.

[778] It sounds like the conditions are more about it says intimidating witnesses and stuff like that.

[779] Yes, that's what they say.

[780] They say what the judge, and I don't think we know all the details of this, but what the judge says was that you can't post anything that would be intimidating about this case.

[781] But where exactly did they draw those lines is a question.

[782] Limited to posts on social media, reposts on social media.

[783] A post made by another individual on social media.

[784] Go back to the top of that.

[785] Listen, look how it's phrased here.

[786] As part of the conditions, Trump will be prohibited from doing anything.

[787] a judge could interpret as an effort to intimidate co -defendants or witnesses or otherwise obstruct the administration of justice.

[788] You know, what it reminds me of is when Mueller finally released that report where he basically said they had no evidence of any conspiracy with Russia.

[789] Right.

[790] But then as like a, to throw a bone to the establishment to not make them look as bad as it made them look, He said, well, here's 10 instances where he could have maybe obstructed justice.

[791] Like, he didn't like say he did, but he was like, here's the instances.

[792] And one of them was, and I shit you not, you can go read the report.

[793] One of the 10 instances was that he kept referring to it as a witch hunt.

[794] So like the fact that he kept saying, this is bullshit, like I'm not involved in a conspiracy with Russia.

[795] And everybody knows that.

[796] That was him potentially obstructing the investigation.

[797] So it's like if you, if I say, you murdered somebody and you go, that's absolute bullshit, I didn't murder anybody and you're like, you're right, you didn't, but you just obstructed justice.

[798] Wow.

[799] Like, how insane is that?

[800] It's so crazy.

[801] You're right.

[802] We did make that up about the murder thing, but when you said you didn't murder anybody, you know, they said firing Comey was one of them because he fired the FBI, the director of the FBI who was investigating him at the time.

[803] But then Comey said that he told Trump he wasn't investigating him.

[804] So now maybe Trump figured that out, but he had told the president he was.

[805] wasn't investigating him even though he was and uh trump fired him why did trump specifically fire him you know i i okay so comie is the uh the FBI director the first time uh the first time they meet uh and Comey was uh the FBI director under Obama you know so he was still there it's not like Trump appointed him he was the already the FBI director so the first time they meet uh Comey presents him with the steel dossier and he goes you know, just wanted to let you know, we have all of this information and all the stuff, the P, you know, and all that being involved with Russia and all of this.

[806] And Trump's response to this, at least according to Bob Woodward, was, he goes, take everything you need, you have access to all my campaign files, everything.

[807] If there's any connection to Russia here, I want to know about it as much as you do.

[808] So investigate me, which he did not have to do, which right away should have really suggested.

[809] that there was nothing to this.

[810] But I don't know exactly what the details of that meeting were.

[811] But to me, what it read like was, you know, like what Jay Edgar Hoover, this was the long time, you know, head of the FBI, what he used to do was like, so JFK, you know, wins the presidency.

[812] Bobby Kennedy, RFK Jr.'s father is the attorney general.

[813] he comes into a meeting with Jay Edgar Hoover and Jay Edgar Hoover goes hey listen just want to keep you up to date on some intelligence I have these pictures of all of the chicks who your brother's sleeping with so here you go here's just the intelligence just so you know I have all of the information about all the affairs he's having and don't worry I have backups you know so anyway so I don't know who you guys are thinking to tap for FBI director but I'm thinking I do another time you know what I mean it's like that kind of deal it's like a soft black man And it seems like there was something like that with Comey presenting all of that like here look what I have and I think he kind of tried for the steel dossier had been released publicly.

[814] Yes.

[815] And so I think he was kind of like look here here's what I have here's you know and like kind of tried to like alpha Donald Trump and I think trying to do that to Donald Trump like his Trump's knee jerk reaction.

[816] He's like you know what my catchphrase is right?

[817] It's like you're fired.

[818] And like I don't think he told that to him to his face there but I think that was ultimately kind of.

[819] of like what got him to fire him.

[820] And then that firing Comey is what set off the whole thing.

[821] And, you know, like I said earlier, they had been already investigating them knowing this was bullshit from the very beginning since the campaign.

[822] And Andrew McCabe, who was the deputy FBI director at the time.

[823] So James, so after they fired the FBI director, He said this on a 60 Minutes interview.

[824] He said that basically they all sat around, all the top people at the Justice Department, and they considered invoking the 25th Amendment, which is, you know, getting enough of the cabinet to declare that the president is unfit to serve and removing him.

[825] And that that's what they wanted to do.

[826] And he said that they basically realized they couldn't get enough of the cabinet.

[827] Like they couldn't get enough people to agree to that.

[828] And so they settled on Mueller.

[829] They settled on setting up a special investigator.

[830] And so that was, that's how they got to the whole investigation.

[831] How much money did they spend on this?

[832] Tens of millions.

[833] I don't remember exactly how much, but it was, it was a bit.

[834] It was a nice chunk.

[835] But the, and the crazy thing about it, too, is that so Mueller investigates for over two years through the midterm elections.

[836] And this is the time when all you heard on the news every single day was Trump, Russia collusion, Trump, Russia collusion.

[837] Let's bring on this next guest who says that Donald Trump may have been a Russian spy since 1986.

[838] And all of these different things, you know, BuzzFeed publishes the Steele dossier.

[839] They're all citing it and they're all talking about it.

[840] And then, I don't know if you remember this.

[841] At the very end, it's like the last month, BuzzFeed had these two reporters who ran a story that said that they had been shown proof that Donald Trump instructed.

[842] Cohen, his attorney, to lie before Congress.

[843] And this is a clear crime, and this is going to lead with indictments of Donald Trump.

[844] He's going to be walking away in handcuffs.

[845] The sitting president of the United States of America is about to be indicted.

[846] And Mueller's team put out a statement, and they said, this is not true.

[847] We have not found that in our investigation.

[848] So they were willing, at that point, toward the very end, yes, the Mueller report found that Trump did not direct Michael Cohen to lie.

[849] But more importantly than that is that they came out before the report was out and said, hey, listen, everyone's speculating about this, kind of like control expectations because that's not going to happen.

[850] We didn't find any evidence of that.

[851] Yet, they allowed for two plus years every pundit in the world to speculate about whether the sitting president of the United States had committed high treason.

[852] And he never came out and said, hey, guys, that's not where our understanding.

[853] investigation is pointed at all.

[854] Like, cool it with that.

[855] He let everybody say that through the midterm elections and just through the first two plus years of Trump's administration.

[856] Just let that hang over him, even though, clearly, he never had any evidence pointing in that direction at all, which is insane.

[857] It's like, it was like the biggest story in the history of the United States of America, if it was true, that the sitting president is actually a Russian agent.

[858] Like, there's nothing bigger than that ever.

[859] but the actual story is almost as big, which is that the intelligence agencies framed the sitting president for treason.

[860] And they all got away with it.

[861] And this is the world we're living in right now.

[862] This is the real red pill moment.

[863] It's the Richmond north of Richmond.

[864] They all want total control.

[865] Yeah.

[866] But that's kind of, I think on some instinctual level, like that's why this shit, that song resonates so much with people.

[867] I remember you said once, I always thought this was like the best way to put it.

[868] And I believe you were talking about Occupy Wall Street.

[869] Now, this was years ago when that was going on.

[870] And you compared them to white blood cells.

[871] Yeah.

[872] And you go, now, white blood cells maybe don't exactly understand what virus this is exactly.

[873] They don't know the science of it.

[874] But they know, like, corruption, rush.

[875] It's just like this kind of thing on an instinctual level.

[876] Like, I think there was something to that, like with Occupy Wall Street.

[877] Like, yeah, sure.

[878] If you went down there and you talked to the average kid there and asked them like, about economics or something, he might give you some ridiculous answer.

[879] Right.

[880] But they knew those big banks being bailed out was corrupt as shit, you know?

[881] And I think there's something about that.

[882] Like people just know, they're like, this whole system is bullshit.

[883] And they're right.

[884] Yeah, it's bullshit.

[885] Yeah.

[886] And it's gonna remain bullshit.

[887] That's what's crazy.

[888] Until the libertarians take over.

[889] Join the libertarian party.

[890] The Mises caucus.

[891] We're gonna get us there.

[892] But even if they got into power, what are they gonna do about this?

[893] vast intelligence community and the influence of special interests.

[894] Well, look, there's it's almost like two separate things.

[895] Okay.

[896] So it's like what needs to be done you know versus how you get it done.

[897] Right.

[898] And that's the the how you get it done part is much more challenging.

[899] But it's like a I'd say like you know like if you were bit by like a venomous snake and like whatever the like antidote or something is like at the top of a really steep hill.

[900] And you're like, okay, well, the answer is we have to get that and inject it in you.

[901] But then the real problem becomes like, okay, but how the hell do we get up this hill?

[902] So, like, the answer is that all these agencies need to be abolished.

[903] The answer is that, like, you need a drastic reduction in the size and scope of government.

[904] You need to, like, abolish all of these three -letter organizations and just start over.

[905] Start over with the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

[906] That would be, like, that would be about as close to perfect as you could get.

[907] However, what you're dealing with is the most powerful entrenched interests in the history of the world.

[908] The American federal government is the biggest gravy train in the history of the world, the biggest organization in the history of the world, by every metric.

[909] How do you roll that back?

[910] That is a much, that's a much more difficult question.

[911] And I think that my guess on this is like the only plausible way to do this is that you need like a mass populist movement.

[912] You need and it can't be like we got 45 % of the country who's fed up with this government.

[913] It's got to be like we got 85 % of the country and we're all together on all of this.

[914] And then you need elites.

[915] Like you need the elites who will actually like put their power and influence and wealth behind this kind of you know type of movement to try to look I mean what what really has to happen is that and I think to some degree this is what happened with Elon Musk taking over Twitter you know there's that that type of thing where you have a real elite like a natural elite too somebody who wasn't just like picked didn't just win an election but like built something insane you know um I think at least it seems to me, I don't know Elon Musk at all, but it seems to me, like, he had a real belief that he's like, we're going to destroy this country.

[916] Like, if we don't have kind of some type of free speech platform, we're going to, this is going to be our demise.

[917] And I think you need enough powerful people to realize that, like, you want to keep this thing together, man, because you're doing great.

[918] Like, this isn't good for you if this whole country falls apart.

[919] And we're dangerous, like, we're getting dangerously close to that point.

[920] And, like, look, man when it comes down to it it's like the the reason why america is the most successful country that's ever existed is because it it was the freest country and that's the beautiful thing like freedom is not only the most like moral uh system but it's also like leads to the most prosperity it leads to the most harmony like it's what civilized behavior is right like the essence of civilized behavior is essentially the non -aggression principle the idea that like You respect people and their property, and you don't, you know what I mean?

[921] Like you're not allowed to just be a violent animal.

[922] You have to be nonviolent and try to persuade people and trade with them.

[923] That's how civilization is built.

[924] And America was the best at that.

[925] You know, we were the best at that at restraining government, having free markets and individual liberty.

[926] And we need to move back toward that, or we're going to die.

[927] But the problem with that is that you're trying to move back toward that, against people that have this desire for self -preservation and they have their own jobs and they have their position of power that they don't want to relinquish because what would they do now what do they what do they do now you take everyone that's in all these intelligence agencies like you're no longer needed but what about the people that are needed and what about the tasks that they do that are important what about the legitimate eyes on terrorism.

[928] What about the legitimate, you know, intelligence they're gathering about real dangers to the United States?

[929] What do you do about that?

[930] Well, for the first part of it, I, you know, and like I don't have all the answers to this, but I know that like the when the Soviet Union fell, there were people, I think to this day, but there were like people like communist like government officials who are like still collecting pensions.

[931] Like they just kind of like paid them off.

[932] Almost like, listen to your services here.

[933] are no longer needed, but, you know, that's like, you know, don't revolt or anything.

[934] We're not going to kill you.

[935] We're not putting you on trial, but like you're just, you're done.

[936] Take this money and go, you know.

[937] I would be open to something like that, you know, for some people.

[938] I do think others should be criminally prosecuted.

[939] But I think that there certainly is like a role for like intelligence gathering.

[940] There certainly has to be a role for national defense.

[941] Now, I think in an ideal world, it would all be.

[942] kind of like a voluntary private type system.

[943] But in practical terms, I think that look like we, it's not as if before the CIA was created that was just like, the president was just like, we have no intelligence.

[944] We're just flying completely blind, you know?

[945] And like what it was created to be was essentially like a newspaper for the president.

[946] Like you're supposed to basically deliver, here's the news the president needs to know, like the real important news.

[947] And what it's become is like a paramilial.

[948] organization that starts wars and colored revolutions all around the world, lies the American people into conflict, spies on our political leaders and presidential campaigns and all of this stuff.

[949] And you're like, yeah, this just became something it wasn't ever supposed to be.

[950] It was never supposed to be this thing.

[951] And now you're really the guys who are in control.

[952] And I think since Kennedy, that's kind of been true.

[953] That, like, that's really who's running the show here.

[954] And you can't go on with that.

[955] You know what I mean?

[956] Like, that has to just be scrapped.

[957] Now, you know, by the way, if anyone from the CIA is listening, I'm no threat to ever actually do this.

[958] So we're totally cool.

[959] Totally cool.

[960] I bet there's certain people in the CIA that agree with you.

[961] I wouldn't be surprised.

[962] I wouldn't be surprised if there are people that are very uncomfortable with the way things go.

[963] People that are real patriots that got into that job because they genuinely want to protect American interests.

[964] and American people.

[965] I'm sure there are.

[966] There are always lots of people like that, almost in any organization, you know?

[967] But it is absolute power, corrupts absolutely.

[968] Yeah.

[969] It's just this principle that's always existed.

[970] Well, this is, and this is the essence of why, you know, Washington, D .C. being so powerful is such a problem.

[971] It's like when you have this, like, kind of concentrated power in D .C., it's power corrupts, an absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

[972] It's the old Lord Atkins saying, which really does apply.

[973] And this is essentially, why I'm a libertarian and not a leftist is that it's um because I don't even on some pure levels I think I have some of the same kind of like I was a left leaning kid before I got obsessed with Ron Paul and all this stuff um but like I care about helping poor people and I don't think you should be a bigot you know what I mean like I have like those kind of leftist impulses but it's just like I feel like most of like progressives and leftists they they want to have a very powerful government that does those things.

[974] And my realization is that you can never have this very powerful government without all the corruption that comes along with it.

[975] Like you kind of essentially want power to not corrupt.

[976] Right.

[977] But it's going to.

[978] It's just inevitable.

[979] And, you know, when you have, I mean, I don't know even the exact numbers right now.

[980] I think during COVID, I think we topped off at $7 trillion in total federal spending.

[981] You have an organization that spends $7 trillion dollars.

[982] It's like that is so much power that of course everybody's going to be fighting for who gets to wield that power.

[983] Yeah.

[984] And there's kind of, it's like the Lord of the Rings thing.

[985] Like the only answer here is kind of like to throw it away.

[986] You know, it's not that the good guy gets it.

[987] That's not the answer.

[988] And I think that's kind of the essence of leftism.

[989] Well, what if the good guy could get it?

[990] And then we use that power to just give everybody health care and stuff, you know?

[991] And you're like hmm, yeah, it's a nice idea but let me put that ring on you.

[992] And I'm not claiming I could wear that ring either.

[993] I'd become evil too.

[994] You know, that's even like the most, the nicest, you know, like, well -meaning, democratic socialist type people who, some of them I like personally, you know, like I like Ben Burgess.

[995] I think he's a good dude.

[996] Um, but I wouldn't trust him with that much power.

[997] You know what I mean?

[998] Like, I don't, there's not one of them who I think would actually be able to wield it.

[999] Not only that, like, you're going to have people in your ear and you're going to have people that supported your campaign.

[1000] And it's going to have people that you have, you've aligned with.

[1001] And you've made certain, deals with.

[1002] And it's like, look, and there's evil people out there in the world.

[1003] Yeah.

[1004] And they're going to be attracted to that level of power.

[1005] There's legitimately people out there in the world that will make decisions that will make them money and get people killed and they sleep like a baby.

[1006] Yeah.

[1007] That's hard for people to accept if you don't do that.

[1008] If that's not your life, it's hard for people to accept, but that's true.

[1009] Yeah, there are predators amongst us.

[1010] And when you're not a predator, it is, we all do this thing where we project ourselves, unto others and I think that's the essence of like how you have empathy you know like you put yourself in their shoes right and think like oh well I wouldn't want that to happen to me so I won't do that to someone else but the flaw in that is that yeah you it's very hard for many of us to actually put ourselves in the position of some you know like to think that like oh there's someone else who's kind of like me in some ways but will also like kill children and not lose a wink of sleep over right you know and somehow another feel like it's okay to do yeah which is very bizarre like very bizarre very bizarre that that's a human characteristic especially if you're not physically experiencing the death and destruction you're doing it everything's remote and even though you know there's like a tally and you know that there's do you ever did I ever mention I probably have one of the times I've been on but that Madeline Albright quote and she was interviewed on 60 minutes and there was this a UN report this is during the the Clinton years and there was a U .N. report that said that the – because at the time, like, the first Persian Gulf War was over, but Bill Clinton had this, like, massive sanction regime against Iraq, and they had a total blockade around the country, and massive bombing campaigns.

[1011] And this is one of the things Osama bin Laden cited in his Declaration of War against the U .S., one of his list of grievances.

[1012] And so the U .N. report said that they believe 500 ,000 – oh, yeah, it's pretty short.

[1013] You could just play it.

[1014] in Hiroshima Well hold on Bring it back a little Because I missed her question We have heard That a half a million children have died I mean that's more Children than died In Hiroshima And You know Is the price worth it I think this is a very hard choice But the price We think the price is worth it It's just like A crazy thing To just say Like, she goes, 500 ,000 kids have died.

[1015] Is the price worth it?

[1016] And you go, yeah, we think so.

[1017] But, I mean, she did preface it, but it's tough, tough choice.

[1018] But yeah, yeah, we do.

[1019] And this was always kind of like my thing.

[1020] And this is what Ron Paul, there's like what I first got introduced to Ron Paul.

[1021] It was that moment with Giuliani in 2007 when they were having that debate.

[1022] And his basic argument was just like, look, if we're at war with these terrorists, then we need at least understand what's going on here.

[1023] And like, put yourself in their perspective.

[1024] from in their shoes you know how would you feel and like imagine someone was talking like this about your kids right you know what I mean like we've decided that price is worth it I think my response to that might be like well I've decided this price is worth it now you know like I like and and it and again it's just like the thing with Vladimir Putin it's just like it doesn't mean like obviously that that doesn't mean 9 -11 was okay you know what I mean like that doesn't mean like terrorism is okay it's okay that they killed innocent people it's just like if you want to understand what's going on here you have to be able to like put yourself in the in the perspective ask yourself the question how would we feel if this was done to us right that's kind that was my central point with all of the stuff with um with the war in ukraine so i just go like okay you know you're saying vladimir Putin wasn't provoked but like what if you know what if the warsaw pack uh never uh dissolved and the USSR was still going and then they moved their military alliance all the way up through Britain and then into Canada, you know?

[1025] And then they went over and, you know, backed a violent coup who overthrew the pro -U

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