#1243 - Rafinha Bastos

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[4] We had some technical difficulties.

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[6] So anyway, brother, welcome.

[7] Thanks for coming here.

[8] Thanks.

[9] Thanks for having.

[10] So what we were saying before, we actually said this already, but let's say it again because the people didn't hear it.

[11] You were one of the pioneers of stand -up comedy in Brazil.

[12] Yeah.

[13] Yeah, it was, I started with like four or five guys.

[14] We started doing like 16, 17 years ago.

[15] And nobody knew about stand -up.

[16] It was something that I found out when I came here to live and play basketball.

[17] I had a scholarship to play basketball.

[18] And I watched Jim Gaffingen.

[19] Oh, wow.

[20] And Brian Regan.

[21] Ah, I know those guys.

[22] And I thought it was so weird because those guys were like, that's, I was questioning, is his, does he call, is his name, Brian Rieff, does he, is actually him?

[23] Because we used to have characters and impersonators.

[24] So it was kind of weird, but at the same time.

[25] time it was interesting because I'm not a guy who does characters and I do observations and I write.

[26] I was a journalist.

[27] I'm a heavy green journalism.

[28] So it was interesting for me to see those guys doing comedy.

[29] And I thought we could do the same in my country.

[30] It's so crazy that it took that long for it to get to Brazil.

[31] Yeah.

[32] You would think that because everything else, I mean, you guys have movies and, you know, I mean, City of God, you have action movies.

[33] You have always, you have so much that's so similar.

[34] The fact that stand -up comedy made it there is so unusual.

[35] It took a long time, and it was, I don't know why, but the image of a comedian speaking, like with a blazer, like a suit or something was...

[36] Like Jerry Seinfeld.

[37] Yeah, it was very American, you know.

[38] And those jokes didn't actually connect that much with us, like, oh, I have those pockets.

[39] And it was something that we have bigger problems than, oh, I just have a pocket.

[40] Where am I going to put my pen?

[41] It was like, it was something that we couldn't connect that much.

[42] But when we saw there was another people doing other stuff and there was like this huge role that we could actually explore, that was when it became interesting for us.

[43] So comedy in Brazil, there would basically be like, say if I was a Brazilian comedian, I would come up with a fake name and I would do a character.

[44] A wig, brother.

[45] A wig?

[46] A wig.

[47] A certain outfit.

[48] Outfit, like very over the top, screaming.

[49] And that's still, it's still, it's still, exists in Brazil.

[50] This is like a popular for the people.

[51] Stand up, I'm not saying that it's for everyone.

[52] Now I have my Netflix special.

[53] It's becoming huge because we have some other options right now.

[54] With the internet, everything changed.

[55] The game changed completely.

[56] So we have what is good has its own space right now.

[57] It's not only what the TV wants you to watch it.

[58] So the game changed a little for all of us.

[59] So how did you start out?

[60] Did you start out by?

[61] going to music clubs or?

[62] It was, I actually started in a BDSM club.

[63] A sadomasochist club?

[64] Yes, really?

[65] I remember that there was like pictures of cocks in the bathroom and like vaginas, like huge vaginas.

[66] And we had that show.

[67] And it was, it wasn't good, but it was an experience for all of us to go on stage and try to, to, to, to show.

[68] show them our opinions and our jokes and some irony and sarcasm, which was something that people wasn't watching.

[69] But then it becomes something huge and we got chances to go to TV and everything else.

[70] But at first it was difficult because people could not understand, is he a character?

[71] Is he playing a part?

[72] So that's why I had, and I still have a lot of problems with the law because like I did a rape joke, which I'm not proud of.

[73] I'm saying.

[74] It's not something like, oh, I'm so over the over the line.

[75] But he was like, does this guy wants people to be raped?

[76] What is he thinking?

[77] What is, because all those jokes was taken out of context and put it on newspapers and kind of killed it kind of killed my desire to do comedy over that as well.

[78] Really?

[79] Yeah, it was difficult, man, because it was like journalists, uh, journalist, uh, in the audience waiting for me to say some shit to put out of context and then got like fucking like billions of clicks on their websites because of a joke I did.

[80] Yeah.

[81] That's how the controversy was starting over that.

[82] I don't know if it's the same thing here.

[83] So they knew that this was a new thing.

[84] Yeah.

[85] And so they would come to see it.

[86] And then were they criticizing it before this?

[87] It was huge.

[88] Everybody loved it at first.

[89] But when we started to have money and TV shows And we kind of ran away out of the underground I was doing shows at midnight Like packing at 300 C theater at midnight in Brazil That was my thing Underground in San Paulo in the middle of nowhere But then people are this guy's talented Let me give him a chance So they put me on TV and out of nowhere I was on TV doing the same same thing.

[90] Wow.

[91] So the country was not that prepared for what I was doing at the time.

[92] What kind of laws do you have in Brazil in terms of like the language you're allowed to use on television?

[93] You know, I'm not saying there's like a government censorship about what you can say or what you cannot say, but sponsors and and even TV stations and the media is very sensitive about everything.

[94] because it's still a poor country Brazil is still a third board country So we are like We have a lot of people That don't understand Oh, this is comedy What's comedy?

[95] So it was my duty To explain a little bit What was stand up And kind of open a road For all of us That's how I felt So you and you said three other comedians It was like three or four guys So who were these other guys?

[96] They're still doing comedy in Brazil Yeah They're still doing They're still huge.

[97] What are their names?

[98] Marcelo Mansfield, Danilo Gentili, Oscar Filio.

[99] That was a small group of guys that we started doing it.

[100] Brazilian Portuguese is such a beautiful language.

[101] Do you think that?

[102] I love it.

[103] I love it.

[104] It's like a song.

[105] It's like it sings.

[106] I've been doing Jiu Jitsu for 23 years.

[107] So it's like, to me, that sound is like, it's such a cool sound.

[108] What does Brazilians say in Jujis?

[109] Is that a word or something that they're still repeating, that you know?

[110] Well, I mean, you know.

[111] pooha which is cum yeah is that fuck or come which one is it but sometimes it's fuck too ah pooha though sometimes you say it like damn yeah but it's come it's come but so that's funny because like that's like the word shit yeah like shit could be like you could look at something go shit yeah that's good in portuguese is merda but shit can also be bad yeah you know like well fuck too like fuck could be good or fuck could be bad like you could stub your tongue go fuck or you could see a girl with a beautiful body and go fuck yeah yeah but pooh is the same thing that's so crazy but it's cool poor it's good it's like a big but poor but then you're gonna choke poor it's exactly yeah i got it i got it's the same exactly that's so funny man language is difficult man yeah for me to speak in english i was uh i wasn't uh you know i was thinking about it uh that Black people has to stop using the N -Whorne in rap songs because it becomes a trap for me at the karaoke.

[112] I was singing karaoke at the end of the song.

[113] This guy came up to me was like, don't drop the N -word, man. But it wasn't the song.

[114] So what should I do?

[115] Not sing the word?

[116] So the language is something that is, I'm still like learning.

[117] It's difficult, man. Well, it's very tricky.

[118] I mean, it's obviously in America, there's this sort of acknowledgement that black people were slaves for so long they are allowed to do more things and in particular use that word okay there's no other word like in terms of like a like a bad word about an ethnicity no that people use for themselves like like a Puerto Rican person would never call himself a spick in like a good like what's up spick like to another Puerto Rican They wouldn't The N word is a very unique word Like there's no word Really So you cannot say In any situation I could say it If I'm explaining it Like this guy Called that guy A nigger I could say that But even saying that People Some people wouldn't do that I would never call someone that But I will use it If I I'm quoting someone Or if I'm explaining the word itself Because to run away from the joke Is even It's even harder because you're acknowledging that that's a forbidden word.

[119] So, yeah.

[120] Well, Chris Rock had one of the greatest bits of all time that there are black people and there are niggers.

[121] This was his joke.

[122] But even for me to say that that was a joke and to say it that way is dangerous.

[123] And it's one of the greatest comedy routines in the history of stand -up.

[124] That's crazy.

[125] Yeah, but a white person could never quote that joke.

[126] You can't do the joke.

[127] Like, if you try to do the joke to your friend.

[128] Like, you'd have to go, come me, come, come, me, come.

[129] You've got to be.

[130] Work around.

[131] Like, Chris Rock is so funny.

[132] Let me tell you the bit.

[133] You'd have to be really careful.

[134] There's no way you could do the whole joke on a podcast.

[135] No. It's just, you say the word, the end word too many times.

[136] People get mad at you.

[137] That's crazy, man. You know, racism is crazy.

[138] The fact that there's still racism, that's what's crazy.

[139] The word is just sort of like a, it's symbolmatic.

[140] It's like there's a thing there that connects it to the, feeling of racism, even if you're not using it in a racist context.

[141] Yes, so for me, I'm a foreigner.

[142] So I was never so aware of racist like I am now living in this country.

[143] Yeah, Brazil is no racism is very mild, very different.

[144] That is racism.

[145] I cannot say that there is not racism.

[146] Of course, that is.

[147] But here, it's like, when there's election, they even say how the white voted and how the black voted.

[148] that's kind of weird because for me that's racism you're like dividing people in racism and it's clear on TV and sometimes you don't even stop thinking about it it's like it's part of the whole thing well it's because the black community doesn't feel like they're represented and they felt like they were represented finally when Obama became president because finally we had a black president but other than that you know there's a real distinction like with Obama it was like almost universal he was going to get air quotes the black vote, you know, but with Trump, I mean, it's, or with anybody else, it's, it's very tricky.

[149] It's a very different thing.

[150] They want to make sure that their community is being represented and that their needs are being represented.

[151] I completely understand and I agree that there's some acknowledgement to make about the history, but at the same time, acknowledging, it kind of divides you a little bit as well.

[152] Yes, yes, it does.

[153] And it's also used as a happened by some people that, you know, are not, they're not being honest.

[154] They're just, they're using it as a tool to divide people or to force their agenda through or, you know, again, the real problem is not the words.

[155] The real problem is not, the real problem is actual real racism.

[156] That's the real problem.

[157] It still exists.

[158] It exists less than it did 100 years ago and far less than it did 200 years ago.

[159] And 100 years from now, it'll probably be almost non -existent, but it's a real problem.

[160] People are tribal.

[161] They differentiate by town.

[162] People differentiate by what part of the country you're from.

[163] They certainly differentiate by nation.

[164] And they differentiate by the origin of your ancestors.

[165] It's really stupid is what it is.

[166] You know, unless you're just celebrating the differences and how interesting, you know, there's different food and different music and different culture and literature.

[167] But the, you know, actual real racism, the fact that it still exists in 2019.

[168] It is crazy.

[169] I got a...

[170] And there is a racism, Brazil, as well.

[171] I'm not saying that there's not racism.

[172] But it seemed more mild when I was there.

[173] Interracial relationships are much more common.

[174] If you see like a black guy with a white woman, it's not a, nobody's going to say shit.

[175] It's normal.

[176] It's not something that people are going to be like pointing or something.

[177] Right.

[178] I don't think so.

[179] But there's parts of this country where it's a real problem.

[180] There's parts of this country where there's real racism and a black man with a white woman is in danger.

[181] You know, they have to be careful.

[182] if they're going to the wrong bar.

[183] They have to be careful if they're going to the wrong place.

[184] It's fucking crazy.

[185] That's crazy.

[186] Yeah, it is crazy.

[187] There is some kind of a, it's not, it's not 100 % of the time that I feel comfortable here.

[188] There's a lot of situations that I feel that I can say the wrong thing because I don't understand.

[189] Because you don't understand the language.

[190] When did you learn English?

[191] I played basketball here.

[192] So you learned to, in order to play?

[193] It was, yeah.

[194] How old were you at the time?

[195] I was, It was 1999.

[196] It was 23 at this time.

[197] I'm 42.

[198] So it was 1999.

[199] I played basketball here.

[200] And I learned English.

[201] And that's when I got a first time I saw stand -up.

[202] I was like, fuck, that's amazing.

[203] Wow.

[204] That was 1999.

[205] So when you brought it over to Brazil, when you brought over stand -up, did you guys get together and say, hey, let's try to do this over here.

[206] Where can we do it?

[207] I had three friends that knew about it.

[208] is kind of a cult a secret cult of people who knew about stand -up and we were like let's try it but the only the only image that we have was Seinfeld at the end of every episode that was the thing for us that's the only reference I still remember that the first video they were like talking about what we were doing we were like oh so this is stand -up do you ever see every episode of Seinfra at the end he does like a little routine oh this is what they're going to do on the theater right now.

[209] So that's when we wanted to do it.

[210] And it took some time because we started in 2002, 2003, and YouTube just came on 2005.

[211] But when YouTube came, there was like a lot of people posting stand -up and little like 30 Minutes Comedy Center specials and then we could see.

[212] And it was difficult at first because of everything that I was writing.

[213] I could see people doing on TV, my jokes.

[214] It was hard for me to explain to people, okay, this is my joke.

[215] Like someone stole your joke?

[216] Yeah, it was not even like stealing because it's just a joke.

[217] Right, right, right.

[218] It's just a joke.

[219] How can I explain to people?

[220] Okay, this is what I wrote.

[221] I'm not going to do jokes that other people wrote.

[222] Right.

[223] This is, it's mine.

[224] Yeah.

[225] People thought it was a little crazy.

[226] Oh, that's funny.

[227] Wow.

[228] Because, you know, I don't know if you have this.

[229] anecdotes that everybody say, do you have here in America?

[230] Okay, we have stand -up where people write their own stuff, and we have anecdotes.

[231] Sure.

[232] And that's what we had, like, little books with anecdotes.

[233] So when I say a joke, people would think that I was doing from those books.

[234] Yeah, there's stand -up comedy, and then there's jokes like that people tell, we call them street jokes.

[235] Street jokes, okay.

[236] Like, two Jews walking to a bar, like that kind of stuff.

[237] Those jokes are so interesting, because I don't know anybody who's ever written one of those jokes.

[238] I don't.

[239] But if you think about it, there's a good timing.

[240] It's something that every time that I see like one of those good joke, good street joke, I was like, fuck, I want it to be fucking, I want me to create that thing.

[241] Yeah, but it's interesting because there's so many of them.

[242] And no one knows anyone who wrote them.

[243] There was one guy in Brazil that was doing those street jokes, and he created like 10 % of what he did.

[244] Interesting.

[245] But for him was like, this is what I created, the 90 % that I didn't create.

[246] it's kind of in the same chunk.

[247] I don't differentiate.

[248] Now, when Seinfeld airs in Brazil, I assume that it's translated to Portuguese.

[249] It's dubbed.

[250] It's dubbed.

[251] It's dubbed.

[252] And when it's dubbed, is it dubbed well?

[253] Does it make sense?

[254] Nah.

[255] No?

[256] Does the jokes translate?

[257] Stand -up -wise, no. No. The series works.

[258] Now it got much better.

[259] Dubbing, it got much better.

[260] Oh, really?

[261] But it's crazy.

[262] We have subtitles as well.

[263] Like my Netflix.

[264] has subtitles here in America.

[265] So subtitles for English?

[266] Oh, wow.

[267] So you do it in Portuguese.

[268] Do you do much stand -up in English?

[269] Yeah, I have been doing stand -up here for eight months, like all the clubs and the improv and a factory.

[270] But here I do it in English.

[271] I do it in English.

[272] What I do on stage now is something that I wrote leaving here, like 80%.

[273] And 20 % I translated for my acting in Portuguese.

[274] Wow.

[275] And some of those jokes don't work.

[276] when I translate and it's always a surprise yeah it's always a surprise because the culture is so different right it's like what people think is funny and what they find ironic but joe a joke is a joke man yeah if it has a timing if I now I'm able to do at the same pace that I do in Portuguese I feel comfortable doing in English so I feel the same thing and it's easier for me because I actually write jokes I have some friends that just like have some crowdwork and interact with the audience and there's a lot of physical comedy in it so to translate that to English is difficult yeah I write jokes yeah so if I translate in a right way if he if people understand the context and if people understand what I'm talking about like the pregnancy of my wife right and marriage and I don't know being single and everything or maybe that it can work now What was it like the first time you did stand up in America, the first time in English?

[277] I actually have a clip on YouTube that The Laugh Factory posted.

[278] Oh, wow.

[279] It was, it was very surprising.

[280] It was very surprising because some jokes that I didn't think was that funny worked, and the ones that I was actually pretty sure they would work, it didn't work.

[281] And I got so frustrated and completely lost, man. And I was like, is this going to be a huge role for me. And I have been doing it.

[282] This is why I'm here to do stand -up in English.

[283] Now stand -up since it's been, you know, you said 16 years or so?

[284] Yeah, 16 years.

[285] 16 years.

[286] Yeah.

[287] Is it accepted now?

[288] Is it a normal part of the culture?

[289] Yeah.

[290] Have they had comedy clubs open up yet?

[291] I have my comedy club in Brazil.

[292] Where is it?

[293] It's in San Paulo.

[294] Oh, wow.

[295] It's called Comedians.

[296] It's a 300 -seat place.

[297] It's just like the improv.

[298] It's a great place I have in Brazil.

[299] And there's enough local comedy to fill it up?

[300] That's incredible.

[301] It does.

[302] It does.

[303] Now, I have like, on a Saturday, I have three packed shows.

[304] And midnight.

[305] Wow.

[306] Packed shows.

[307] Like, I'm getting...

[308] Well, San Paulo's huge, huge, huge city.

[309] There's like 15 million people living in San Paulo.

[310] That's, wow, man. That's 15 million people live in San Paulo.

[311] That's so cool.

[312] But all in Portuguese.

[313] Yeah.

[314] There's no stand -up in English in Brazil.

[315] Brazil.

[316] Because unfortunately, that's not that many people that speaks English in Brazil.

[317] Yeah, I know they were trying to organize shows.

[318] Like, Jade was trying to get people to come to Brazil to do stand -up.

[319] And I was like, yeah, good luck with that.

[320] That just seems, like, it doesn't seem like there's enough people.

[321] Jade opened for me in Portuguese in Brazil.

[322] Wow.

[323] And she helped me a little bit at the beginning here, opening some clubs and getting me some gigs.

[324] She's a very good friend.

[325] And for her it was a little difficult in Portuguese.

[326] Oh, to translate English to Portuguese.

[327] It was difficult.

[328] First, because what you guys, there's a culture, there's a stand -up culture here.

[329] If you're this freaky and a little crazy and hippie, that's something that does not translate to another country.

[330] Right.

[331] You have to actually write jokes.

[332] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[333] And for her, it was a little difficult because she has this way of doing it, like interacting and she's like, And if you mess up a word in Portuguese, it's, in English, if you mess up a word in English, it's kind of funny.

[334] Oh, he's a foreigner.

[335] Right, right, right.

[336] They accept you.

[337] There's this likeability.

[338] But if you mess up on in Portuguese, you're a prick.

[339] Really?

[340] Yeah.

[341] Oh, so you don't speak Portuguese.

[342] Oh, you just speak English.

[343] It sounds bad, you know?

[344] Ah, I see.

[345] Yeah, that makes sense because America is such a melting pot.

[346] There's so many different languages over here.

[347] someone well that's you know i read something the other day like if you see someone and they speak broken english uh don't make fun of them that means they speak two languages yes yes and you don't of course i mean most of us don't and portuguese is similar to spanish so people who speaks portuguese speaks spanish so i kind of speak three languages right that's that's that's that's that's help fabrizio verdum in mexico because he's so fluent in spanish that you know when he was over there fighting you know they they were like holy shit this guy speaks perfect Spanish.

[348] He is from the same city that I am, which is Puerto Allegra's here in the south.

[349] So we kind of have some Spanish in the city.

[350] It's close to Argentina.

[351] Oh, I see.

[352] Okay.

[353] It's kind of is our thing there.

[354] Oh, okay, cool.

[355] So now when you were doing stand -up and you started to get in some trouble for bits.

[356] A lot of trouble.

[357] A lot of trouble.

[358] A lot of trouble.

[359] How much trouble?

[360] Yeah, a lot of money.

[361] I spent a lot of money.

[362] Really?

[363] Yeah.

[364] A lot of money.

[365] a lot of lawsuits.

[366] I lost a lot of lawsuits because of jokes.

[367] Really?

[368] Lawsuits.

[369] Yeah.

[370] So, like, who was suing you?

[371] The people who felt offended.

[372] So people in the audience?

[373] Artists.

[374] When I make fun of a celebrity.

[375] They would sue you?

[376] Yeah, they can sue you.

[377] They can get money out of you.

[378] Really?

[379] Politicians.

[380] They can get money.

[381] Politicians?

[382] So who sued you?

[383] You know, I got this lawsuit that really put me in trouble.

[384] It was because of a singer.

[385] It was she was a singer and kind of almost killed my career.

[386] He actually did.

[387] That's why I'm here.

[388] Yeah, I got on a huge lawsuit and it looks dumb when you explain, oh, it's just a singer, but it became all this talk about freedom of speech and what comedians can say and what they cannot say.

[389] Are you allowed to feel offended?

[390] And now there's like law schools talks about the law.

[391] lawsuit that I had.

[392] Law school discussions about your case.

[393] Yeah, because I made fun.

[394] It was a shitty joke.

[395] That's the problem.

[396] You know, it's not because of the lawsuits.

[397] I want to be sued by the good ones.

[398] Because I don't want to be known by a bad joke.

[399] Right, right, right, of course, yeah.

[400] It's just like, I was saying this.

[401] It's just like you meeting Eddie Murphy, one of the greatest comedians ever and I think, oh, there's Dr. Doolittle.

[402] You don't want that.

[403] Right, right, right.

[404] You know, this is the same thing with me. that joke was a shitty joke and she was like pregnant on TV and she was like doing a story on TV and I was the host of this huge TV show like the daily show the daily show meeting The View it was something like that and in the middle of the thing she was she was there and my friend asked me oh she's pregnant and do you think she's still hot and I said she's so hot that I would fuck her in her baby and uh it's a shitty joke But it was live It was like right on time Everybody left And there was no problem But next week It was this huge thing Because she was like Her husband was very influential And her husband Was managing Ronaldo Which was one of the biggest soccer player ever So that was this whole thing The TV show lost sponsors And they want to suspend me From the TV show Because of a joke that I did she didn't tell they didn't tell me to apologize at first but they suspended me so I quit the show they didn't know so you just apologize and I decided not to apologize because I felt that after like 10 years doing standard or 12 years doing stand -up it was important for me to like put my feet on the ground and say you know if we step back right now what am I going to do in like two years this is important for all of us.

[405] It's important for comedy.

[406] So I lost lawsuits, a loss, movies, a lot of sponsors.

[407] So what did they rule in the lawsuit?

[408] Like, what was the ruling?

[409] I offended her honor.

[410] Her honor.

[411] Yeah, it was something like that.

[412] She was like, uh, people can sue you.

[413] The suing is part of the democracy.

[414] It's okay to sue you, but to lose a lawsuit is that's the problem.

[415] I lost like $150 ,000 or, oh, he, But in Brazil was $350 ,000.

[416] So if you're a lawyer and you get $10 ,000 a month, you get $10 ,000 a month.

[417] So you don't translate money.

[418] So I lost a lot of money.

[419] But the thing has got me a huge headache.

[420] And it was bad.

[421] It was bad.

[422] Just from that one joke.

[423] Just for that one.

[424] But you had other lawsuits.

[425] Yeah, I had a lawsuit because I did like a rape joke.

[426] And I got like this women movement like trying to break into my.

[427] bar and break the door of my comedy club and that was like that was uh wow but the discussion was more important than the problem itself i kind of it was it was the discussion about freedom of speech and that was that was huge what is freedom of speech like in brazil is it the same break i mean obviously we have the first amendment you have the first amendment do you have something no we don't we don't have that we don't have that in canada we don't have that i had mike ward on in canada do you know his story?

[428] Yeah, I know.

[429] He's the guy who, he made a joke about a sick boy that the boy was still alive years later.

[430] No, I didn't know.

[431] I thought it was.

[432] And, you know, it was just a bad joke about this guy still being alive and can he get his money back?

[433] Because, like, because they donated money.

[434] It's a fucked up joke.

[435] But it's supposed to be a fucked up joke.

[436] He's doing it in a nightclub situation where people are drinking.

[437] You say things that are inappropriate, and that's the art form.

[438] He got sued and he's still in the process of it right now.

[439] There's another case in Vancouver where these women were heckling they were yelling things out during the show and then the comedian went on stage and berated the women and then the women sued and won because they were lesbians and he made some lesbian jokes about them at their own expense and so then they took him to court and they won and they won what they won some judgment where he had to pay them i want to jimmy how much was it i want to say it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 000 $30 ,000.

[440] Yeah, and for this gentleman, this comedian, I think that was a lot of money.

[441] $42 ,000.

[442] Yeah, that's a lot of fucking money for an opening comedian.

[443] I mean, he wasn't a famous guy, so, you know, that might be two years worth for him.

[444] Who knows, you know?

[445] Of course.

[446] Yeah, lost a lot of money as well.

[447] So Canada is similar.

[448] Canada does not have freedom of speech the same way the United States does.

[449] Yeah, that's why I feel when I do comedy here.

[450] and I feel that people get uncomfortable about a joke or two, that's when I get stressed.

[451] It's like you have the feeling of saying those things.

[452] Yes.

[453] Like I have this joke that I say it is about the N -word as well.

[454] Maybe I have to change my content a little.

[455] But I have this joke that I do.

[456] It's like when I arrived here, someone said to me, don't use the N -word or people are going to kick your ass, but they never told me what the N -word was.

[457] So for the past six months, I have been avoiding all wars with the leather end.

[458] And the other day, the guy came up to me and said, can I fuck your ass?

[459] And I was like, maybe.

[460] And when I say this joke, it's like, I have to set up.

[461] It's crazy because when I first did, it was like a fucking thing.

[462] Everybody got uncomfortable.

[463] Yeah.

[464] But now I set up as a misunderstanding because I'm a foreigner.

[465] Yes.

[466] And now I'm free to do everything else.

[467] Yes, yes.

[468] Yeah.

[469] So I kind of found a way of doing it.

[470] You found a way in.

[471] Yeah.

[472] So that's, it's crazy.

[473] And I watch you a lot and I see a lot of people here.

[474] I saw the other guy, this guy, this guy did an interview with you and he did this show in a college and he did a joke and people took him out of stage.

[475] Yeah, Nemesh Patel.

[476] That's crazy because you built the freedom to do that.

[477] Yes.

[478] And now you're discussing if you can or if you cannot.

[479] It's only in colleges though.

[480] when children today and I want to call them children they do not understand the danger in suppressing free speech and so they think that what they're doing is by suppressing free speech and changing the way people communicate what they're doing is making the world a better place they think they're they're signaling their virtue and making the world a better place at the same time but it's just ignorance they just don't understand that you can't you can't necessarily you can't control people and to think think that by just getting upset and silencing someone and removing them from the stage that ends the conversation it doesn't it reinforces their position it says okay look i was right about you fucking snowflakes and you little babies like you can't even understand when when things are uncomfortable that it doesn't necessarily mean it's negative and that like you're like try to put yourself in someone's position see what he's saying and in nemesh's case it's actually kind of funny first of all he's very open -minded guy very progressive He's not in any way a racist.

[481] And his joke was that people say that being gay is a choice.

[482] And he said, I know it's not a choice because I have a friend who's black and gay.

[483] And there's no way he would choose both of those things.

[484] And it was just him being funny.

[485] It's a funny joke.

[486] And they were like, cut.

[487] Get the fuck off the stage.

[488] Like, what?

[489] Come on, man. You don't think that's funny?

[490] That's crazy.

[491] And it's also coming from an Indian man, who I'm sure is experienced racism.

[492] So the whole thing is it's very fascinating to see young kids who are growing up in this PC culture bubble.

[493] And, you know, and sometimes people say on this podcast that we talk about it too much.

[494] And maybe they're correct.

[495] Maybe sometimes it's annoying if you're listening in your cubicle and you hear me talking too much about this.

[496] But it's because it's an issue that's very dear to my heart because I understand the dangers of not being able to communicate freely.

[497] And I also understand what happens when if you suppress free communication, The people that you're suppressing, they're going to get more and more angry and radical, and it just makes their position.

[498] They feel more justified in perhaps even people who are racist could perhaps be more racist or people who are angry about gay people will become more angry about it if you suppress their ability to express themselves.

[499] That's when born those little movements, neo -Nazi movements, little groups and little groups on the web and the deep web and discussion.

[500] it's like when it's forbidden I think you kind of forgive them the power that they didn't have I think so and I think this is something that we're really just getting to understand now I've had a few conversations about this recently with the head of Twitter and with an independent journalist Tim Poole last week and I think what people just started to kind of understand even though everyone's uncomfortable about this is we're still trying to figure this out social media is only 10 plus years old this is an incredibly new experience for us and I don't think everybody knows exactly how to proceed and this idea that you could just ban people and then just ban people for life if they say something that makes people uncomfortable if they say an opinion that you don't agree with ban them for life and we're experiencing that right now and we're trying to figure out what to do and how to how to fix this and how to mitigate it without endorsing people harassing people and endorsing people threatening people and giving out their address and their phone number and things like those lines so it's a process that we're we're all going through right now.

[501] It is a learning process for the whole country.

[502] But the thing that annoys me a little bit is that I live in another country and I see how things are difficult and how much time I spend explaining people what I was doing.

[503] And for you guys, it's like I was having the same problems that Lenny Bruce was having like a long time ago.

[504] Yes.

[505] And you guys built that.

[506] Yeah.

[507] To have that discussion.

[508] It's like, it is important because that's the way the world evolved, but at the same time, it feels old.

[509] It feels old, because you understand the history of it.

[510] Yeah.

[511] In America, yeah.

[512] It feels old because you already have that discussion a long time ago.

[513] Yeah.

[514] Are you going to keep having this conversation when you think that you finally, if you feel free to say whatever you want, now there's people trying to hold you back.

[515] It's crazy.

[516] Well, it's not really effective.

[517] See, there's people that are angry.

[518] about it.

[519] I mean, there is, on social media, there's certainly people that are being effective with it.

[520] But in stand -up comedy, there's blowback and pushback, but it's not very effective.

[521] Like for the top guys, for guys like Dave Chappelle and, you know, Bill Burr, it actually makes their stand -up better because people are so tired of all this shit.

[522] They're so tired of PC culture.

[523] They're so tired of being told what they should and shouldn't think is funny and what is acceptable and not acceptable and you know there's a there's a lot of weird shit going on right now did you ever have problem with that oh yeah did someone ever leave your show because of a joke you did oh fuck yeah what was the subject oh my god i don't even remember how many it's so many times it's happened so many times people just stood up yeah i mean people just get angry they get angry and you're allowed to you mean it's fine it's look everybody has their own sensibilities and the problem one of the problems with stand -up comedy is if you go to a club to see music, you know what kind of music you're going to go see.

[524] You want to go see salsa.

[525] They have a salsa club.

[526] You want to go see jazz.

[527] You want to go see rock and roll, or you want to go to a rap show.

[528] You know what you're going to see.

[529] But if you go to see comedy, you could see fucking Barry Manilow followed by Guns and Roses, followed by Run BMC.

[530] I mean, unless you're going to see a specific comedian, like you're going to see Jim Gaff again, you don't necessarily know what the fuck you're going to see.

[531] You go to the comedy store on sunset, you're going to see, if you get there at 9 o 'clock in state till 2 o 'clock in the morning, you're going to see 10, 15 different fucking comedians.

[532] And they're all different.

[533] And you know, some of them are men and some of them are women and some of them are gay and some of them are black.

[534] And they all have different points of view.

[535] And some of them you're going to think are the best.

[536] And some of them you think, oh, when is this guy getting off stage?

[537] I mean, that's just, that's just part of it.

[538] But for us, what's really important about that is that when I work there, I know that it's not my crowd.

[539] They're everyone's crowd.

[540] See, if I go to do a show, if I do a show somewhere in San Diego, say, and I advertise it, the people that come, they bought a ticket to see me. It's your crowd.

[541] Yes, but if I go to the comedy store, they might be there to see Neil Brennan or Chris Delia or whoever.

[542] But there's still your crowd, Joe.

[543] Some of them are.

[544] At the comedy store.

[545] It's still your crowd.

[546] They still went there to watch you.

[547] They know who you are.

[548] If you go to maybe the middle of Utah, they are not going to.

[549] They were like, Utah's great.

[550] You'd be surprised.

[551] Wise guys coming in a club.

[552] Shout out to Salt Lake City.

[553] Oh, yeah?

[554] I lived in Nebraska, so I couldn't imagine someone.

[555] You lived in Nebraska?

[556] Yeah, that's what I gave me a scholarship for basketball.

[557] Jesus Christ.

[558] What was that like?

[559] I wasn't that good.

[560] I got an NCAA Division II school.

[561] It was crazy because I had a chance to meet the American people.

[562] Right.

[563] It's not the people who lives in L .A. or New York.

[564] That's different.

[565] I remember.

[566] Farmers.

[567] And I was like hanging around with black guys because there was my people.

[568] I was a foreigner.

[569] We were minorities and they were playing basketball with me. So I felt it's a completely different experience to live in Nebraska.

[570] It was awesome.

[571] How did you get out?

[572] Did you walk?

[573] I actually, no. I got injured.

[574] I got into a fight, man. And I broke my jaw and my cheekbone.

[575] No way.

[576] A fight playing basketball on the court?

[577] I used to fight a lot.

[578] I was fucking, damn, I didn't.

[579] I don't, I'm not proud of that age, but I used to fight a lot.

[580] I liked to fight, but I never knew how to do it.

[581] Which is crazy because you're Brazilian.

[582] Yeah.

[583] And, you know, it's where Vallitudo started.

[584] It's where Brazilian jiu -jitsu started.

[585] I always won't fights, but the one that I lost, I broke my cheekbone and my jaw, and I had to do surgery here, and the surgery went back.

[586] Oh, no. Because it's crazy.

[587] That's specific.

[588] But they don't have a doctor who does mouth and bones at the same time.

[589] They have a neck and mouth doctor and they have a dentist.

[590] They don't have the one who does both.

[591] This is the doctor at that time or at that place.

[592] Right.

[593] So the surgery went wrong.

[594] I had to go back to Brazil and had to do the surgery again.

[595] Oh, no. And I decided not to come back.

[596] So this is why this moment for me is very important.

[597] I never thought that I had a, my dream was to play basketball.

[598] That's what I was dedicating my life for.

[599] And I never thought that I would have a second chance in America.

[600] And this is, and that's it.

[601] That's my second chance.

[602] And I can mess this up.

[603] So what made you come from Brazil to America for stand -up comedy?

[604] Was it all the lawsuits?

[605] It was a little bit of the lawsuits.

[606] I'm not saying that it was not.

[607] not, but my friend, it's like, if you want to play basketball, you want to play at the NBA.

[608] Right.

[609] If you want to play soccer, you want to go to Barcelona.

[610] Stand -ups here, man. That's the place that you got to be.

[611] And we never had a Brazilian stand -up comedian in here.

[612] Just like, Jay, the ones who were born here, but not the ones who actually was like doing stand -up in Brazil and coming here.

[613] I think it was important for me, for all my colleagues and all my, all the big.

[614] comedians in Brazil as well to start something here.

[615] It has been a very good experience, a little hard.

[616] Yeah.

[617] But it has been a lot of fun as well.

[618] Now, are you working over here?

[619] Did you save up money and you live it off your money from Brazil?

[620] I still have my comedy club there.

[621] I saved some.

[622] I got some money.

[623] Yeah.

[624] Yeah.

[625] I lost some of those losses.

[626] I kept some joke.

[627] But I'm saying you're not working here necessarily.

[628] I'm just like going and doing stand -up.

[629] I'm focusing on stand -up.

[630] I have my agent and I have managers.

[631] everything is happening.

[632] Last year I did JFL.

[633] I'm headlining, I'm headlining some clubs right now because in those places that has like a huge Brazilian community.

[634] I'm doing in English, but I'm...

[635] Throw a little Portuguese in there with them.

[636] Yeah, Leia.

[637] So that's new, man. I did everything that I wanted to do in Brazil.

[638] I did a talk show.

[639] I did movies.

[640] I did my own series.

[641] I directed a movie.

[642] the series and I thought I was like I'm 42 it's time for me to try something new that's why I came here and I miss my son a lot that's that's the bad part but that's okay yeah we were talking about that before that is a that's a crazy situation you have got me very emotional thinking of my kids there and last time that I was living and he was like if I'm the most important in your life why are you searching for something so far away and I thought and I told him this is very important for me but it is selfish yeah this is something that I wanted to do and and for my career was important because I didn't I don't I lost a lot in my country as well with the lawsuits and I lost TV shows I lost a lot I lost money I thought it was a little dangerous for me to keep doing it over there and I got a death threat that was that made me a little then and I didn't actually went public to talk about the death threat and what was the death It was because one of my lawsuits, I cannot be that specific because it wasn't open.

[643] So if I say exactly who it was, I'll be sued again.

[644] Right.

[645] Because, you know, yeah, I'll be sued again.

[646] I'll be offending someone's honor because I, but I knew what happened.

[647] And I felt, I didn't feel safe there for a little bit.

[648] I'm not saying that I run away, but I thought.

[649] smart to come over here yeah and spend some time and build something and uh and maybe be here it was it was hard for me that i could get hurt because of the nature of my job now when you're over here and you're trying to do stand up do you do you structure your act out do you have like how do you do you do it out on paper on a computer do you put it up on a this thing over here put it on your phone right on everything over here and then i keep rehearsed nursing and I go on stage and I have to talk and I say it.

[650] That's what I do.

[651] I memorize everything that I'm going to say.

[652] Not everything, but it gets natural.

[653] It's the way you do it.

[654] I just memorize everything that I'm going to write because if I mess up a word or two, I can kill a joke and I want everything to work flawlessly.

[655] So that's why I memorize.

[656] It looks natural, but I memorize everything.

[657] But it's very hard for me to interact with the audience.

[658] Because Because every time that someone, like, hackle me, all jokes comes in Portuguese on my head.

[659] And I have to translate.

[660] Right, right, right.

[661] Right at the time.

[662] And I lose time.

[663] It's very frustrating.

[664] Oh, yeah.

[665] I can imagine.

[666] And I even say this on stage.

[667] Like, I was doing a show the other day.

[668] And this guy, he just screamed, you suck.

[669] It was like a bad show.

[670] It was a bar show.

[671] And what I say to, when I am stressed out, I just mess up words.

[672] And that always happened.

[673] And he was like, you said, I wanted to say, go fuck yourself.

[674] And I said, going to fuck myself.

[675] That's right.

[676] Look at me I'm like Fuck yourself It's very hard to interact With the awesome Lose timing man It's difficult To do it in another language It's not my natural thing So everything is on your phone Yeah You don't write it on a computer Or notebooks Do you write on a computer?

[677] You do it Yeah I write in a computer Because I can write And it's easier to type You know like It's first of all It's bigger Right You're looking at a big 15 inch screen And I can type Without looking at my fingers Okay And so when I have ideas is I can get them out really quick and I don't have to say them.

[678] Okay.

[679] I just look at it on the screen and then I'll write many versions of it and then I go over it and I smoke a little weed and then start editing and twisting it around and see different angles.

[680] Do you test the first version?

[681] Do you test the first version?

[682] What I basically do is I get it to a point where I know that I have something to talk about.

[683] I know I have a framework and I know where there's some punchlines.

[684] And then I write it out on paper.

[685] So when I write it out on paper, I can see it better in my head.

[686] I remember it better.

[687] then I bring it to the stage but I don't have a rigid structure I'm loose with it because I want to be able to feel it in the moment whether or not this is good perfect you know so when I go on stage I was like say if I'm doing a joke about coffee whatever I'll go you know I drink too much fucking coffee I got a real problem and here's how I know I have a problem and then I'll go into it and then I'll start talking about all the different airs and then I'll listen to the recording and I go oh that part sucks I've got to fix this part and this part's stupid and this part is sloppy but that part got to laugh okay but you know what it'd be even funnier if I said it clear like maybe I need to say it this way you know and then I'll just and then it's this constant process of writing writing it out going on stage recording all sets listening to the recording and then writing again do you when you listen to those sets do you keep the funny ones or is there sometimes that you do like funny joke but you don't like it does that happen sometimes yeah yeah i don't it's it's it's it's it feels cheap cheap cheap yeah yeah yeah yeah but it was funny like you gotta laugh but it's not good yeah that's sure yeah absolutely yeah you got to be careful that you don't you don't you don't want to be a hack you know that's what that's what a hack is someone who tells like obvious stupid jokes that only make dumb people laugh okay or someone who does um tired beaten down material like the jokes that you know that other people have done already You know how do you know that You just would know Based on your okay like here's a perfect example It's Stephen Frye do you know Stephen Frye is Yes he's a famous comedian He used this recently He said something about I would love to come back to life As a drug sniffing dog You know could you imagine being a drug sniffing dog At the airport just smelling everything Oh no getting high Like he was saying about how that is such an obvious stupid joke and so many people have done that and that's a joke where man i bet probably hundreds of comedians have done a joke about that it's just like an obvious premise and you know like you were saying earlier that sometimes people would say jokes that you've said and you you have a hard time explaining that's my joke and to them it's just an anecdote or then it's just something funny that they heard sometimes people go on stage and their act consists of really the obvious premises that they have probably already heard someone cover before.

[688] That's a hack.

[689] Yeah, that's why it's difficult.

[690] There's a huge challenge for me because I have been doing for 17 years, but in another country.

[691] So you guys, you guys, there's a huge road that you guys already followed.

[692] So if you hear something out, that's old, maybe for me, it's not.

[693] Right.

[694] And I don't want to be that guy.

[695] Right, right, right.

[696] And what I realized, that people don't point that out to you.

[697] Well, you could ask people.

[698] Yeah.

[699] Yeah, if you're friends with comics, like, you could ask.

[700] Okay.

[701] And they'll tell you.

[702] Yeah.

[703] Yeah, that's why, like, the other day, this guy was doing a joke, and I kind of thought about a tagline.

[704] A tagline, yeah.

[705] And he got uncomfortable of me, like, telling him, oh, what about this?

[706] And he was like, yeah, it was difficult, man, to connect with comedians.

[707] It's not that easy.

[708] Because they all have huge problems They all have it man I was like in a group of guys One was like ex drug addict And the other ones was a drunk And they had like huge problems And I was like I have friends I don't It was difficult man You gotta be like Oh you got a deep And you gotta fucking go Into the bottom To search for something good And I understand this process But at the same time Do I really have to go through all that to come with something great?

[709] No, you don't.

[710] Sometimes you just have good ideas.

[711] Christa Leia actually has a bit about that.

[712] I don't want to do his bit, but it's basically a bit about how good his childhood was and how close he is with his family and everybody thinks that you have to have a fucked -up childhood to be a comedian.

[713] Yeah, it's not true.

[714] You just have to be funny.

[715] People are funny for different reasons.

[716] Some people are funny because they always enjoy stand -up.

[717] I mean, if you grow up enjoying stand -up comedy and then become a stand -up comedian, there's nothing wrong with that.

[718] I mean, you don't have to be a drug addict.

[719] Do you?

[720] And I'm not going to be because I tried marijuana.

[721] Yeah, marijuana.

[722] Wheed.

[723] Once, two years ago, and I stayed hide for 14 days.

[724] Swear to God, man. Did you eat it?

[725] 14 days.

[726] No, no, no. He smoked it?

[727] It wasn't a vaporizer.

[728] Is that?

[729] Yeah, vaporizer, yeah.

[730] And I say hi for 14 days.

[731] That doesn't make any sense.

[732] And I thought, it doesn't, right?

[733] He doesn't.

[734] I wasn't high, right?

[735] I probably wasn't high after the second day, right?

[736] But I thought I was like disconnected from reality.

[737] Well, sometimes that does happen.

[738] And I know a story about a guy who is a straight -laced guy who took some marijuana edible so that he could get to sleep.

[739] And he had a real problem.

[740] Like, he got suicidal and freaked out and became just irrationally anxious.

[741] He had crippling anxiety.

[742] For some time?

[743] For some time for weeks.

[744] and he's a confident guy and a very handsome big muscular guy just like you would never imagine this guy having any anxiety I think some people have just the chemistry of different individuals I wasn't barred for that and that's what the doctor told me because I went to the psychiatrist man after 12 days I went to the psychiatrists I swear to God I'm that weak I'm that weak I went to the psychiatrist man and I told him no I smoked that thing like 14 days ago and I still hide and he looked at me and he gave me some some psycho one he gave me some pills and I was like oh if you stay high until tomorrow you take these pills because what he told me is something that I didn't know that it can be a trigger if you have some tendencies of schizophrenia and a psychopath or if you have which was not my case and he's told this is very rare but it can't happen which is not your case and I was happy because he said it.

[745] And the next day I was okay and I felt okay and I didn't took the pills and it was crazy man, fuck.

[746] That is crazy.

[747] And I remember that I decided to record I was like, let me record what I'm thinking.

[748] At least let's get some good experience out of it.

[749] And I remember that I started to record and I said, now I'm going to record everything that I'm thinking.

[750] And when I looked at the cell phone, it was 45 minutes.

[751] 45 minutes of talking.

[752] And I didn't even remember realize I just said that I'm going to record now and there was 45 minutes and when I listened like 15 days after that I was like I'm so crazy I'm so crazy I'm so crazy I'm going to die I'm never going to understand that my son's talking what is my son talking to me right now wow it was one hit of a vaporizer no it was more than one a bunch of hits it was a bunch yeah oh you're too tall you're big you're like 250 pounds so fucking use it a lot.

[753] Oh, so they were saying keep hitting it because you're tall.

[754] Because I wasn't feeling it.

[755] Oh, no. But when I felt it, I felt for 14 days.

[756] Yeah, people, that's one of the big problems with people when they first try is they try too much.

[757] That's what happened.

[758] Yeah, someone just says, take another hit.

[759] That's what happened, man. I tell people, if you're thinking about trying marijuana, go like that, a little bit, that's it, put it down.

[760] I don't feel anything.

[761] Shut the fuck up.

[762] Leave it alone.

[763] It'll eventually feel something.

[764] Feel something, yeah.

[765] Just leave it alone.

[766] Wow, that's crazy, man. There's so many people.

[767] selling weeds and stuff and this it's not even cool anymore weed's not cool anymore yeah I don't know yeah it's like people are so when I do shows there's a lot of people talk oh I smoke this and I smoke that it's like man it's legal now it's just like going to the deal with it's not dangerous it's not dangerous yeah I think it's good he has to be legal yeah well it definitely should be it doesn't affect me that way for me I've been smoking in a long time it's pretty easy I just it chills me out makes me it actually makes me nicer makes me like a more a calm person.

[768] It does.

[769] Yeah, it makes more sensitive to other people's feelings.

[770] Did you ever smoke because you felt that you're nervous or like stressed out and no, I'm not going to treat I'm not going to perform well in this meeting or something and then you smoke it No, it doesn't work like that for me like if I'm stressed out and I work out if I'm stressed out that's that's my best for alleviating that marijuana is good for me for thinking for contemplating and going over things and it's not it's not good for me for stress If I feel like tense, tension, I work out.

[771] That's what gets it out of me. I always wanted to ask you one thing.

[772] It's completely different suburbies.

[773] Can I ask us as well?

[774] Whatever you want.

[775] When you're doing interviews at the end of fights, did you ever feel threatened somehow?

[776] No. At least once.

[777] No, no, no. One thing that I hope the fighters realize is that what I'm trying to do is only get them to express themselves.

[778] I want them to shine.

[779] I really genuinely want them.

[780] They won this big fight.

[781] I want them to maybe maximize their marketing, their marketability and just like tell the world how they feel.

[782] That's an incredibly unusual experience to win a big fight in the cage on pay -per -view in front of millions of people.

[783] My goal is only to try to get them to communicate the better and to let them know that I'm there to support.

[784] them.

[785] That's all I'm ever trying to do.

[786] Perfect.

[787] You know?

[788] Yeah.

[789] Like I was saying before we started talking, I have a lot of friends in the MMA.

[790] Sweetest guys.

[791] Niceest people.

[792] You consider what they do for a living.

[793] It's crazy.

[794] It's so crazy.

[795] Damien Wanderlei.

[796] Ninja.

[797] How is Ninja doing these days?

[798] Man, last time I talked to him, he got some, I don't know if he was because of the fighting.

[799] I cannot say that.

[800] but his speech it's a little slow it is already hard to understand even Shogun they have this what they call the Huanais which is the way of speaking they come from this state which is very hard to understand what they say they're from Curitiba right?

[801] Yeah with Curitiba and people from Curitiba sometimes when they speak too too fast you don't understand that much but a ninja I think he got some injuries and got some scars in his head I think he got some surgeries and yeah I think he had surgery in his head.

[802] He was fine.

[803] At the time people are kicking people in the soccer kicking.

[804] Soccer kicking, bro.

[805] And he was one of the best.

[806] He was good.

[807] Yeah, he was an animal.

[808] He was really young, too.

[809] And at the end, he was like getting knocked out with slaps.

[810] Yeah, that's the scariest thing is when you see their chin go.

[811] When their ability to take a part, what's crazy is Shogun seems to be making a resurgence.

[812] It's crazy.

[813] He, amazing.

[814] He, I used to be very good friends with one of his coaches.

[815] And after the fight, with Henderson, the first one, which was like a war.

[816] Crazy fight.

[817] Chaos.

[818] That was a chaos and I was talking to him and he was like, you don't even imagine how talent that this guy is.

[819] But he got a focus.

[820] If he was focused, he would kick his ass in like fucking two minutes.

[821] So he just, that's the way they do it in the chute box.

[822] They like to fight.

[823] They like to fucking just go at it.

[824] Yeah.

[825] Him and Cyborg and Van der Ley and even Anderson, the same thing.

[826] But the way they do, it's just like, let's go to war.

[827] Yeah.

[828] And sometimes the game changed.

[829] But Shogun is like learning.

[830] You can see that he's like improving, still improving.

[831] And like, I think it was like 36.

[832] Well, his last fight, he looked sensational.

[833] I mean, he looked like a fucking killer too.

[834] It's crazy.

[835] He can take a shot again now.

[836] It's weird.

[837] It's like, I mean, he got knocked out by a few different guys and he's lost some fights, some tough fights.

[838] but his last fight, he looked as good as he's looked in years.

[839] It's sad for me when I see, like, I don't know why, it's always with Brazinas, but when I see like an old fighter getting his ass thick too quick.

[840] I remember his fight with Sonnen.

[841] That was, that was...

[842] Yeah, well, he got caught in a guillotine.

[843] He got caught in a guillotine, but he's fast.

[844] The guy trained for like six months, and that's very frustrating.

[845] Remember when Royce went back to fight with Hughes?

[846] That was like, oh, my God.

[847] Well, Matt Hughes was in his prime then, you know, and he was so strong, and hoist just wasn't, he wasn't physically capable.

[848] He couldn't do it, right?

[849] He didn't look the same, you know, he just didn't look like he was physically capable the same way.

[850] And, you know, Matt Hughes is fucking talented, unbelievably talented.

[851] When he got on top of hoist and he was smashing him, I was like, oh, yeah, it's hard to watch.

[852] It's hard to watch.

[853] Yeah, yeah.

[854] But that's the life.

[855] I mean, that is the life they chose.

[856] You know, and Chuck Liddell just got knocked out by Tito or T. T's that was hard to watch because you could tell he just can't take a punch anymore I wasn't that fight that went there to watch it it was it was it wasn't it wasn't moving right either the thing about when fighters take a lot of knockout losses one of the things it's very becomes apparent is their balance looks off and their movement doesn't look the same like their neurology they don't their body doesn't move is not the same yeah yeah he can look the same but they react the same right right I mean even Anderson when he lost a style bender I think stylebender would have been a tough fight for him at any point in his career because stylebender is just fantastic super technical but Anderson looked like he was a step behind the Anderson of old like the Anderson that knocked out Vitor the Anderson that you know you go back to the early days the Anderson that knocked out Chale Suna and that Anderson was a fucking he was just an assassin yeah he was so good he just knew what to do and when to do it and when the stylebender fight he just looked like he was a little off little off.

[857] But he's also 46, I think.

[858] He's, I think he's, I think he's one year older than I'm 43.

[859] He's only 43?

[860] Yeah, we did a show together.

[861] We do a show, this show on Atlas called the Ultimate Beast Master, which is, uh...

[862] Brazilian Netflix?

[863] No, he's here as well.

[864] Terry Cruz did an American, we do, like, all hosts from different countries, and we meet, and it's like American Ninja Warrior for Netflix.

[865] Oh, okay.

[866] And we have, like, hosts from different countries.

[867] And we have the Brazilians and the Italians and the French guys.

[868] And I did this show with Anderson.

[869] He's a sweet guy.

[870] He's a great guy.

[871] He's a great guy.

[872] He's a great guy.

[873] I mean, he's one of the all -time greats.

[874] I mean, I had the honor of calling a lot of his fights.

[875] And it's crazy because, yeah, and it's crazy when you're talking about the guy, the guy is getting older.

[876] I remember I talked with Minotauru.

[877] He was like three or four.

[878] It was like two, two fights after.

[879] he actually retired, and I asked him, why you keep doing it?

[880] You don't have to, you don't have to prove anything to no one.

[881] And what he said to me, I think it was so fair.

[882] He was like, I fought when this thing wasn't giving me any money.

[883] Right.

[884] So just give, let me lose a fight or two and get some money at the end of my career because I deserve that.

[885] Right.

[886] He wasn't like, of course he was going there to win, but it's like, I want to take the risk.

[887] Yeah.

[888] Because I was fighting in Japan.

[889] getting, I don't know, $5 ,000.

[890] And now that the game, it's like bringing you so much money, I'm going to retire.

[891] Let me just do a couple more.

[892] Well, Minotaro, not only was he a pioneer and one of the great MMA heavyweights of all time, but he's so important for MMA because he showed that heavyweights can fight off their back and that heavy weights could win by triangle.

[893] Like when he triangled Mark Coleman and was tapping guys with arm bars, when he beat Bob Sapp, The Bob Sapp one is fucking crazy That is one of the greatest MMA fights in the history of the sport 375 pound Bob sap Minotaro only probably weighed 2 .30 And he wound up tapping him with an arm bar It was fucking crazy And after he gets spiked on his head Which still apparently fucks with him to his day His neck was fucked up permanently Because of that?

[894] Yes I didn't know that 375 pound guy Who doesn't even look like a human He looked like a comic book here And he smashes him on his head And Minotaro recovered And, I mean, he was one of the toughest guys of all time But He was run by a truck when he was left in the car.

[895] Yeah, that's that scar and the side.

[896] He was run by a truck.

[897] Crazy, yeah.

[898] That's crazy.

[899] I mean, he's one of the most important figures In the history of the sport.

[900] And then I think Fabricio took it to another level Because Fabricio Verdum Probably has the best guard In the history of the sport.

[901] It's history of the heavyweight division.

[902] I mean, when he caught Fador, when he had him in his triangle and he had him locked up like that you don't get away with that guy like you you might get out of some people's guard not Fabricio that motherfucker locks people up and I got to thank him I'm here just because of him yeah help me well my respect for him you know when he reached out to me he was like okay I'll get your friend on 100 % thank you brother and he's a great guy and that's what I well that that's why I asked you if if you kind of feel threatened because when people get they're in the fight you don't know what it's going to happen right and And when you go over there to talk with one, you can say a wrong thing at the wrong, I don't know.

[903] You can make mistakes for sure.

[904] You can make mistakes.

[905] But my intention is always to just to make them look good.

[906] That's all I'm trying to do.

[907] All I'm trying to do is just get them to express themselves and also put some emotion to how great their performance was.

[908] Perfect.

[909] Yeah.

[910] But it's a weird job, you know, to also be a comedian, you know.

[911] It's a strange combination of things.

[912] Do they go watch you sometimes?

[913] Sometimes, yeah.

[914] Yeah, that's good.

[915] That's good, man. That's very good.

[916] And for me, now it's like, I'm here to try this comedy thing, man. And so you're getting up in Los Angeles and are you traveling anywhere?

[917] Yeah, yeah.

[918] I have a gig on Rhode Island.

[919] Rhode Island, in March.

[920] A lot of Portuguese people in Rhode Island.

[921] Yeah.

[922] I have a gig there.

[923] I did the Gothen Comedy Club last two weeks ago.

[924] I had lined the club.

[925] So it's happening.

[926] Did you get a lot of Brazilians that come to see you?

[927] Yeah.

[928] Did they want you to speak Portuguese?

[929] They do, and some of them don't speak English.

[930] Really?

[931] There's always like two or three at the end of the show.

[932] Oh, I thought it was in Portuguese, but that was so good to see you.

[933] But I didn't understand anything that's sad.

[934] Right.

[935] So that happened, but it's hard maybe because I have to build an audience here.

[936] Yeah.

[937] And it's going to take some time.

[938] Do you do a podcast?

[939] I don't.

[940] You should?

[941] I should.

[942] Yeah, definitely.

[943] definitely it's a good i think every comedian like every comedian has a instagram page every comedian also should have a podcast it's very simpler to do it's not something that we do that much in brazil so maybe you could be the pioneer of that too but a pioneer on podcast yeah i mean you're the pioneer for stand -up youtube is something's huge in brazil well that's a great way to start because all you need is a webcam and you can start your podcast just on youtube just on youtube easy to do my I have my channel, YouTube, got like 2 million subscribers.

[944] Really?

[945] I have, like, on Twitter I have 12 million people following me. It's a lot, man. That's a lot.

[946] Twelve million people following me. My Brazilian Instagram, I got like 1 .5 million people.

[947] People are very active in social media in Brazil.

[948] That's good.

[949] It's something that is from our nature to connect with people in Brazil.

[950] So that's why social media got huge.

[951] and it was it was like an alternative for the traditional media what is this the most influential person on Twitter look at you motherfucker I got a I got a story on the New York Times that's crazy New York Times Magazine saying you're the most influential person on Twitter that's incredible now why are they saying you're the most influential what were you doing that was influencing people I have no idea I was surprised Sunday I woke up and I was a story on the New York Times saying that I was the most influation profile on Twitter and in the second place, the Dalai Lama.

[952] Why?

[953] Take this one, Dalai Lama.

[954] Obama and third.

[955] Who are you, Obama?

[956] I was the first one.

[957] So they did like a huge story about me. Wow.

[958] That's incredible.

[959] It was, man. Twitter was something huge in Brazil.

[960] What is the difference between the way people use Twitter and Brazil and America?

[961] Is there a difference?

[962] No, for me, I just used.

[963] Twitter for jokes.

[964] That's what I did for quite some time.

[965] It was Twitter lost a lot of his strength in Brazil because people like to connect in Brazil.

[966] So Facebook is huge and Instagram is huge.

[967] So you have your family over there.

[968] You have everything.

[969] You have your people.

[970] But you feel talking if you're just like Twitter feels like you're screaming and someone is going to listen.

[971] It's not like on Facebook that people Follows you and then if he likes you Your post is gonna be like in the In the top of his page Twitter is just something that is there So it lost a lot of power in Brazil But one thing that is happening right now is our new president And we have a new president now That is a right wing guy He was just elected and he got stabbed He was like When did he get stabbed?

[972] It was like two months ago Really?

[973] During the process of the election Holy shit He got stabbing in the gut, like a push, yeah.

[974] Did you see that?

[975] That was crazy.

[976] I didn't hear about that.

[977] Yeah.

[978] And he's like a very wide, and he won the election.

[979] And he's trying to do with Twitter with Trump did.

[980] What he's doing it here, like run.

[981] Instead of going to press conferences and everything, he just go on Twitter and say what he wants.

[982] Wow.

[983] Yeah, Twitter is unique in the way people just use it to insult people.

[984] It's so angry.

[985] It's so angry.

[986] Like if you just, only if you didn't know anything about people and you just looked on Twitter and you just like saw how you're like well people must be fighting in the streets it must be just a blood bath out there if you really thought that people interacted in the real world the way they do on Twitter you would think that everywhere is just weapons and clubs and being and shit running people over with cars which and everyone dies but I think man there's a difference and I think we have to knowledge that there's a difference between your behavior on the web and outside of the lab.

[987] For sure.

[988] And sometimes you don't realize that.

[989] Yeah.

[990] Oh, the word is bawding everybody is sensitive and everything else.

[991] If you go outside, it's not that much.

[992] It's the same.

[993] It's the same.

[994] It was always.

[995] It's a distorted lens that you could see humans through.

[996] It's not how people really are.

[997] And it's also, it's not a healthy way to communicate because you don't worry about what the person thinks about what you're saying.

[998] You're saying things that you don't necessarily even really mean because you're trying to be inflammatory.

[999] you know to get some attention yeah i mean that's a lot of it a lot of is just screaming screaming screaming for attention and insulting people and then you look at people's pages that's the most disturbing thing to me someone say something shitty to me i'll go to their page and i see they're just saying shitty things all day long like what kind of life is this man some fucking terrible life what i'm doing right now i have this series that i do on instagram where i just i get like the guy cursing me or saying some shit about me and i just show his face and it's enough and it's funny because it's it's funny to see who is actually who hates me right then uh i call this the people who hates me and then i put what he wrote and then only his like his face right his thumbnail it's enough for you to see oh that's fucking you don't have to take things too serious because if you take a look of their lives it's you can see why they are so mad yeah there's there's a lot of that a lot of angry and most of them have private accounts.

[1000] Like you can't look at their pictures.

[1001] They're hiding.

[1002] They're hiding who they are.

[1003] They just talk shit in the comments.

[1004] That should end, bro.

[1005] Yeah, it's weak shit.

[1006] Fuck, just end that shit.

[1007] It's so weak.

[1008] You're giving people a chance to like throw blind shots.

[1009] Of course, man. That's crazy.

[1010] I think that the being anonymous on the web is a good, it's a good thing because it allows you to be free at the same time.

[1011] Yeah.

[1012] It's good for whistleblowers, for people like reporting crimes, reporting corruption.

[1013] Of course.

[1014] You know, like that, for that, for That, it's critical.

[1015] That is a way to do it and don't expose yourself.

[1016] But at the same time, it creates that.

[1017] But it's, you know, it's the sign of the new era, bro.

[1018] Yeah, it's just a new thing that we all have to navigate.

[1019] It's just a new thing.

[1020] And it's like we were talking about earlier with social media being so recent in human history.

[1021] There's never been anything where you could just talk to the whole world and do it from your phone while you're sitting at a red light.

[1022] You could say something.

[1023] There's a story about this woman.

[1024] What was it named Justine Sacco?

[1025] Was that the woman's name?

[1026] Who said something racist and went to a plane?

[1027] Yes.

[1028] I saw that.

[1029] She said, I'm going to Africa.

[1030] Hope I don't get AIDS.

[1031] Just kidding.

[1032] I'm white.

[1033] L .O .L. So she was fucked up on Ambien and she was, or Xanax or Ambien.

[1034] I forget what it was.

[1035] She was on some sort of psych medication and something that affects your brain and drank too.

[1036] She had a couple of drinks.

[1037] I just thought she was being funny.

[1038] And then wakes up 16 hours later in Africa and her life.

[1039] is over.

[1040] That's crazy.

[1041] Fucking crazy.

[1042] And it was just one of those days where there was like a slow news cycle and people just jumped on that tweet.

[1043] And the thing about it too is that they don't want you to recover from something like that.

[1044] They want, that's, that's you for the rest of your life.

[1045] That's what I felt.

[1046] Yeah.

[1047] That's what I felt.

[1048] I'm the baby fucker.

[1049] I am.

[1050] That's, yeah.

[1051] So everything that I say right now is like, wasn't you like fucking babies?

[1052] And oh, I never fucked a baby.

[1053] Never.

[1054] I don't think they're attractive.

[1055] I don't feel attractive at all.

[1056] Do you foresee a time ever where you will go back to Brazil?

[1057] No, I do.

[1058] I do go back to Brazil.

[1059] But I mean, go back to do stand up and live in it?

[1060] I don't see that, man. The challenge is here and the freedom that I think I have here, and maybe I don't.

[1061] Maybe I will face this whole thing, the same thing when I get famous or when I get.

[1062] No, no, you won't.

[1063] It's way easier here.

[1064] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, from what you're explaining to me. But look at Louie or, I'm like, Louie's a different case because it's not what he said on stage.

[1065] And, you know, I mean, it's a, he got caught up in the wave of the Me Too movement too, whereas if this same exact instance happened in the past.

[1066] Yeah, it's not the same thing.

[1067] Yeah, it was a bad comparison.

[1068] But I got like, Daniel Tosh did a rape joke and he was, that was gone, that was over in like, like that.

[1069] And do you know what happened there with a joke?

[1070] no he was like improvising with the audience or something he was improvising with the audience here's the deal he was at the laugh factory he wasn't supposed to be there Don Irara who is his friend said hey why don't you go up and do some standard because I don't have any material just go up and fuck around just they'll be happy to see you he goes okay so he goes on stage he goes I don't have any material so what do you guys want to talk about some guy yells out rape and he goes what's funny about he's like making fun of the guy like what are you talking about What's funny about rape?

[1071] He goes, like, what's funny about rape?

[1072] The humiliation, the violence, and some woman yells out, actually, there's nothing funny about rape.

[1073] So he goes, wouldn't it be funny if five guys had raped her?

[1074] So he's just being Daniel Tosh.

[1075] So it probably would have been just one of those moments in a live crowd filled with drunk people.

[1076] But she wrote a blog about it where she was the victim.

[1077] She wrote this huge blog about him calling for her to get raped, which is not exactly what he did.

[1078] It's in the context of being heckled, you understand what it is.

[1079] And he kind of had to have some sort of an apology for it.

[1080] But then all these other people jumped in, and then it became a moment where people could show that they don't support rape or they don't support what we call rape culture.

[1081] They use you as a platform.

[1082] Yes, yes.

[1083] That's what happened.

[1084] And that's what happened with me as well.

[1085] People don't analyze context anymore.

[1086] Exactly.

[1087] And we are very, we are available.

[1088] We, we as comedians, we are talking, we are ourselves, we are not playing a character.

[1089] So if you take, if I take your jokes, Joe, out of context from your special Netflix, I can get some clicks if I wanted, for sure, if I wanted.

[1090] But I think people are getting tired of it, and now they understand the process.

[1091] Yes.

[1092] But what I felt was the beginning of that.

[1093] Especially in your country, where you don't have a long history of stand -up.

[1094] Yeah.

[1095] So that's why I lost money And that's why I lost a lot of money You're the motherfucking Lenny Bruce of Brazil Yeah man You know what Someone will give me that credit In the future But now You want to be Rafi in America No no not only that But that's why What people said to me And what I felt Was that I was A lot of people said I was using this freedom of speech argument to offend people.

[1096] You hear that in America too.

[1097] Which was not the case, but that is a matter of freedom of speech.

[1098] Yeah.

[1099] Because we had a law in Brazil a long time ago where people are like trying to regulate comments on the web.

[1100] Oh, if I feel offended, I can ask someone to delete that.

[1101] So the government was trying to regulate that.

[1102] And the law was approved.

[1103] So like after, it wasn't approved, but the law was like changing after the voting.

[1104] But when it becomes at the end, the government was like, when it was getting the time of the voting, the government was like, okay, what about if I take some tweets as well that offend me?

[1105] So the government tried to get into the way of things.

[1106] So it is a matter of freedom of speech.

[1107] When this is going to end, it becomes with a joke, but maybe he can end with the government.

[1108] shutting you up.

[1109] I have a friend in Venezuela, a comedian friend.

[1110] His name is Nacho.

[1111] He was kicked out of the country because of some jokes he did.

[1112] Whoa.

[1113] He can't go back.

[1114] He's living in Miami right now.

[1115] Because if he goes back to Venezuela right now, the government is going to put him in jail or maybe kill him.

[1116] I don't know.

[1117] Wow.

[1118] What was his jokes about?

[1119] Yeah, I don't know what his joke was about, but he was making fun of the government.

[1120] But then, like, one year after that, he makes some jokes about people with Down syndrome and then the government felt that he he has to go to jail because of the Down syndrome joke they were using that thing to take him out of the streets so it's dangerous out there man it's not that easy to do comedy outside of America you build that freedom yeah you hear about it all the time people in other countries that say jokes and they get in trouble like there was something in Thailand There was some someone made a joke about the king and they locked him in jail and it's it's very dangerous.

[1121] There's a lot of countries where it's very dangerous, very dangerous to speak out against the government.

[1122] Yeah, we're really, really fortunate here.

[1123] So like for you, when you see Americans complaining about freedom of speech over here and not not being able to say whatever you want, it's kind of a joke.

[1124] It is, man. It is.

[1125] That's exactly what I feel.

[1126] It's just like if you want to be an asshole, just deal with the consequences.

[1127] Yes, yes, yes.

[1128] I'm a asshole.

[1129] That's what I feel.

[1130] I'm an asshole.

[1131] Right.

[1132] But when someone stopped me on the street, say, you're a piece of shit.

[1133] I was like, yeah, you're fucking right.

[1134] But that's okay.

[1135] Let's end there.

[1136] I am a piece of shit.

[1137] And that's what it has to end, you know?

[1138] Don't take it personal.

[1139] That's what I feel that is difficult to do comedy out there.

[1140] And here you have this freedom of doing it.

[1141] And I think it's beautiful.

[1142] It's beautiful.

[1143] It's something that you guys built.

[1144] Do you think that it's going to change in Brazil and then maybe the stand -up comedy could actually see because one of the things that happened in America is that Lenny Bruce, because he didn't just tell jokes, he actually talked about social issues on stage.

[1145] It actually expanded people's ideas of what these social issues are and how critical they are.

[1146] It changed culture in a lot of ways.

[1147] And jokes, one of the things about stand -up comedy that does help to change culture is say if you have an opinion and I have an opinion.

[1148] If your opinion is different than mine, you say something.

[1149] I'm like, well, I don't agree with that.

[1150] I think this.

[1151] But if you say something and you make me laugh, even if I don't agree with it, it sneaks in my head.

[1152] Like, you have a point.

[1153] If your point is so good that it makes me laugh, even if I don't agree with it, like, God damn it, he got in there.

[1154] So you can propagate ideas inside someone's consciousness.

[1155] You can sneak them in.

[1156] We have a few people doing it in Brazil.

[1157] and I used to have this TV show called CQC and we used to do comedy in Congress we used to go and interview congressmen and make fun of them and we got a kicked out of the Congress and again then people brought us back to the Congress but it all reached a point when it's about money and if the and if someone is not willing to put money in your product you don't do it and money is connected to politics and politics and brands and the TV stations for you to have a TV station in Brazil you need authorization by the government so you're not that completely free to do what you want to do it but you have some people doing it and comedy is getting big stand -up is getting huge in Brazil you're connected to YouTube I have a lot of big comedians doing like huge theaters I used to do like 5 ,000 C theaters in Brazil so it's it's becoming an option.

[1158] Wow, 5 ,000 seat theaters.

[1159] Wow.

[1160] You do it, man. You do it here.

[1161] It's 5 ,000.

[1162] Yeah, I do it all the time.

[1163] You just open those like, wow, you feel like 10 ,000.

[1164] But what I'm saying is it's crazy that you started out doing like a sadomasochist club.

[1165] Yes.

[1166] And then you go to a 5 ,000 seat theater.

[1167] That's pretty amazing.

[1168] That's what I built with some friends.

[1169] And I feel that I'm proud of that to open this discussion and this chance.

[1170] because I have a lot of people doing it right now, getting money out of it.

[1171] My comedy club, we pay well comedians every time they go on stage.

[1172] It's not like here that I got like 10 bucks sometimes.

[1173] But it's okay.

[1174] We consider that as a business over there.

[1175] And that's serious and this is awesome.

[1176] That's fantastic.

[1177] It's so cool that you started that.

[1178] I mean, that's got to be really a good feeling to know that all these people that are doing it now that are professional comedians.

[1179] Like you took the first step.

[1180] Yeah, yeah, I feel proud, man. There was a lot of people that, I probably have all of them watching this right now.

[1181] I don't know of anyone who has ever done it in one language and then made it over in America afterwards.

[1182] I'm trying to think, I can't think of any.

[1183] I don't think anybody.

[1184] Not in English.

[1185] Oh, yeah.

[1186] I can't think of anybody that started out in another country and then made it in America.

[1187] What is the name of the Russian guy?

[1188] They always do the, I still doing the comedy store.

[1189] They used to say.

[1190] Yaakov Shmirnov Yeah Yeah, great guy He, I think he's Russian Yes, he's Russian But I think he's been over here Most of his life Oh, okay I don't think he started in Russia I think his whole idea In Russia, they say Yeah His whole thing Also he was doing like a character No, no no He speaks, I mean he definitely speaks Russian Okay And he definitely is from Russia But he definitely plays it up too And he, you know He's been over here forever He has his own theater In What is that place where those old folks live.

[1191] Branson, Branson, Missouri.

[1192] Yeah, it's like one of those weird, like super religious places.

[1193] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1194] Like, they, it's a strange area.

[1195] It's a very strange, like, like, you talk to people about it.

[1196] And Branson, Missouri, people go, you're, like, it's not a place where, like, Dave Chappelle goes to play.

[1197] Do you go to those places?

[1198] No, I do not.

[1199] No, I do not.

[1200] There's only so many places I go.

[1201] I don't have any time to, I don't want to, you know, I'm not trying to run uphill.

[1202] If you don't get it That's all right I'll go to Chicago Okay You know I'll go somewhere Where people get it Yeah It's just I don't have time But now What I'll All I concentrate on now I mean The ground's already Been broken Right I'm not breaking any new ground All I'm trying to do Is write good stuff Write good material Do good work And I'm just trying to make people Happy I'm just trying to make them laugh That's all I'm trying to do I just try to When they go And they get a babysitter And they come to a comedy club I want to do my best That's all I want to do So that's all I think about.

[1203] Do you still get a lot of like movie offers and, uh, Yeah, I get offers for stuff, but I don't act.

[1204] You don't know.

[1205] I don't do it anymore.

[1206] I tried it a little bit.

[1207] It's just not my thing.

[1208] Okay.

[1209] It just takes time.

[1210] It's not necessary.

[1211] And all my friends that do it, you know, like my friend Brian just called me from a movie set the other day.

[1212] He goes, he goes, you're so right.

[1213] Fuck this.

[1214] He goes, I'm sitting in my trailer for 16 hours.

[1215] He's like, I fucking hate this shit.

[1216] I don't want to do this.

[1217] I just got another offer for another movie that's not that good.

[1218] And I don't want to do that either.

[1219] Oh, fuck.

[1220] You know, you could do a movie and put so much effort and time into it, and no one will see it.

[1221] Like, maybe it'll be opposite some fucking Big Avengers movie and nobody goes to see your movie and it's out of the movie theater in a week.

[1222] And you're like, shit.

[1223] Fuck, I spent so much time doing that.

[1224] And no one cares.

[1225] No one cares.

[1226] The thing about movies, too, that's interesting is there's so many of them.

[1227] It's not like you're ever going to see all the movies.

[1228] There's so many movies, and every week there's new movies.

[1229] If you really stop and think about how fucking insane that is, there must be thousands and thousands and thousands of movies.

[1230] You can't possibly see them all.

[1231] Like, if you just want to be entertained, like, you could see movies to the end of time.

[1232] You could just sit in front of your fucking Netflix and just, to your eyes fall out of your head, watching movies.

[1233] It's crazy.

[1234] There's almost no need to make more movies.

[1235] We're good.

[1236] And it's crazy because, yeah.

[1237] And it's crazy because movies are getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger because they have to bring you something that takes you out of your house.

[1238] Yes.

[1239] Yeah.

[1240] People don't go to the movie to watch Adam Sandler anymore.

[1241] Do you want a fucking superhero?

[1242] kicking your face and clammy in your neck.

[1243] Yeah.

[1244] That's what they want.

[1245] They want fucking huge stuff.

[1246] Yeah.

[1247] There's that, but then people do need comedies.

[1248] Like, Kevin Hart movies, they still sell really well.

[1249] Like, people still want to see something funny.

[1250] You know, that's, people still need, it's one of things about stand -up and one of things about funny movies, too, is that people need a break from the grind of life.

[1251] Life is a horrible grind, you know, it's fucking hard, man. It's hard to pay your bills and get up every morning to a job.

[1252] you don't want to get up to and maybe you're not even into being married anymore and you've got to fucking strudge through that because maybe you have a children and you decide that it's better to stay for your children and you're fucking living in hell and your neighbor's a cunt and the dog won't stop barking and then you just need something.

[1253] Just something.

[1254] Give me something.

[1255] Give me something funny.

[1256] My friend, that's why I'm so optimistic in life.

[1257] It's like what a chance I have of pursuing my dream and doing comedy and making people laugh and having fun and don't have to sit in a fucking fucking share for eight hours a day with a job that I don't like because if you like to be an accountant, that's okay.

[1258] Be happy being an accountant.

[1259] Sure.

[1260] But it was never for me. Yeah.

[1261] It was never for me either or any comedian that I know.

[1262] Everyone that I know was like doing something and living in hell until they decided to be a comedian or the thought of doing something else.

[1263] But, you know, that's the path of life, right?

[1264] the path of life is, for some people, what we do would be hell.

[1265] And for some people that are introverts or that they don't like attention or they don't like public speaking and they're not necessarily funny, what we do is hell.

[1266] If you weren't a funny person, you don't know how to make people laugh and you have to go on stage and make people laugh every night, that's your job.

[1267] And you have to try hard or there's some sort of pain involved.

[1268] Fuck, that'd be hell.

[1269] See, that was me. The last few shows that I did in Brazil, I felt heavy.

[1270] Heavy.

[1271] Everyone's watching you.

[1272] Yeah, I felt the energy.

[1273] I still have a very loyal audience and I'm, they love me and I love them.

[1274] We still have that connection.

[1275] But I felt exposed.

[1276] I felt exposed.

[1277] And that's when you.

[1278] This is after the baby fuck joke?

[1279] Yeah.

[1280] After me becoming a baby fucker.

[1281] But at the time, that was funny, right?

[1282] When you said it, everybody laughed.

[1283] They laugh a lot.

[1284] Yes.

[1285] But that was not the case, my friend.

[1286] If you take this joke out of context and put it in a newspaper, even me when I read that, I was like, this guy is fucking, it's messed up.

[1287] The rape joke that I did when I read on a newspaper, I was like, oh, man, do you really want me to go to it?

[1288] Yeah, we referenced it so many times.

[1289] It was bad.

[1290] It was something like, I was watching on TV.

[1291] And I'm not proud of that, okay, but I was watching.

[1292] on TV.

[1293] This woman, and she was saying that she was raped and it was bad.

[1294] It was a very bad experience.

[1295] She was crying, but the camera wasn't showing her face.

[1296] It was just showing her mouth.

[1297] And she has a huge mustache, like a huge mustache, like a fucking lot of hair.

[1298] And I made this joke about this guy.

[1299] This was, this was a kind of a gift because she didn't, she wouldn't have another opportunity or something.

[1300] It wasn't good.

[1301] But I did once.

[1302] I was just testing the joke.

[1303] I was doing at one o 'clock at night in my comedy club.

[1304] It was like 20 people in the audience.

[1305] So you're just fucking around?

[1306] I was just fucking around.

[1307] It was what I saw on TV.

[1308] And so they were waiting for you to do something like that.

[1309] And it was like this journalist was there.

[1310] And he was doing a story for the Rolling Stone.

[1311] And I was doing, it was a story about me. And then the cover, it wasn't in the cover, but the picture on the Rolling Stone was me dressed as Jesus, like bleeding with a crown on my head.

[1312] And that was the, in the text, was this rape joke.

[1313] It was rape joke.

[1314] I didn't even write the thing.

[1315] It was just like talking with the audience.

[1316] Right, right.

[1317] But when that was taken out of context, it was hard for me to explain to them, okay, this was me fucking around with like 20 people.

[1318] Right.

[1319] The people couldn't see the difference between me doing, and it wasn't a good joke at all.

[1320] It's not something that I'm proud of.

[1321] But when you're on stage on your testing, sometimes just shit comes up.

[1322] Right.

[1323] And I was testing boundaries as well.

[1324] I think it was my duty to test some stuff.

[1325] Yeah.

[1326] There's things that you say where you're not thinking them out because you're ad -libbing in the moment and they come out and even you disagree with them as you're saying them.

[1327] Of course.

[1328] But this is part of the process of creating material, especially if there's 20 people in the crowd, it's late at night.

[1329] Like you do things just to see.

[1330] You go down doors.

[1331] You open doors that you don't know what's in there.

[1332] And sometimes you'll say something and then you'll have the fucking perfect line.

[1333] and it comes out of nowhere.

[1334] And the only way you find out is if you take a chance.

[1335] Just doing it.

[1336] That's why I think it's unfair.

[1337] And I was having a discussion with two big comedians about the Louis set that he did recently.

[1338] And I think he already talked about this, but the guy was testing stuff.

[1339] So how can you judge if the work is not done?

[1340] It's not even close to done.

[1341] He probably maybe did that bit once before.

[1342] If that, you know?

[1343] And the judgment was like, oh, he has to address what happened with him.

[1344] I'm pretty sure he will, but not on that set.

[1345] Maybe he didn't address on that set.

[1346] That's not his special.

[1347] Right.

[1348] When he has his special, that's when he framed the thing.

[1349] Okay, that's my work.

[1350] Yeah.

[1351] But if he's just testing stuff, you cannot judge by that.

[1352] Well, the problem is now everybody wants to judge everything he does, and they want to find him and watch him.

[1353] And so now he has to institute this cell phone policy at all the comedy clubs he works out where you have to take your phone and put it in a bag so that no one can get a hold of it.

[1354] It's just a real problem.

[1355] He's got a real problem.

[1356] And it's also a real problem for creating comedy.

[1357] Because if people don't understand that this is what comedy is about, that comedy is about improvisation and then boiling it down to what's good and then figuring out what's the best way to express an idea.

[1358] Because sometimes you have an idea and you know there's something there, but you don't know how to say it.

[1359] So you just take a chance on one way.

[1360] And then you go, oh, that's offensive.

[1361] That's disgusting.

[1362] But there's got to be a way to do it.

[1363] Let me find a better way to do it.

[1364] Yeah, of course.

[1365] Yeah, there's many bits that I did, like, not my last special, but the special before, where when I first started them, they were not doing well at all.

[1366] They were not doing well at all.

[1367] I had to figure out a way to make them funny.

[1368] Why didn't you insist on them?

[1369] Because I knew there was something there.

[1370] There was something there.

[1371] Like, for instance, I had this one bit on women in inventions and that women don't invent a lot of things and it took a long time for me to figure out how to do that and the best way to do that was to talk about all the great things about women first so I just had to I had to talk about you know like the concept that women are supposed to work that we should that women are supposed to work as well as raise children which is fucking crazy because raising children not not saying that every woman should raise children and that they shouldn't have a career But if you think that it's easy to raise children, you're out of your fucking mind.

[1372] It's one of the most difficult things in the world.

[1373] Just to have the patience, you're dealing with these little people.

[1374] You have to teach them things.

[1375] You have to give them love and constant attention.

[1376] And it's very, very time -consuming and it's difficult.

[1377] And these women are making people in their fucking bodies.

[1378] It's the most incredible thing that anyone has ever created.

[1379] Humans, you make humans in your body.

[1380] I mean, that's insane.

[1381] And I would go through this whole thing.

[1382] And then I'd say, so ladies, I love you.

[1383] I think you're amazing, but let's be honest, you don't invent a lot of shit.

[1384] And then I got into this whole thing about women inventions.

[1385] And then I just talked about all the great inventions that women make.

[1386] Okay, you set up differently.

[1387] It's the same thing.

[1388] But I had to figure out how to do it.

[1389] It took a while to figure out how to do it where the women thought it was funny.

[1390] Where I gave them enough honest, legitimate credit and said funny things about them that are positive first.

[1391] So then they feel free to laugh Yes, because they knew I'm not a dick I just have a point that women don't invent a lot of shit And that's funny And I also had to say I don't invent anything I had to get really clear about that Let's be clear We're not talking about us I go look, I'm a fucking moron I'm never invented shit And I'm guessing you're probably pretty dumb too Which is why you're here Listening to Me Talk I was like we're not talking about us We're talking about inventors And so I was trying to remove people from the tribal male versus female dynamic just to talk about the fact that in history there have not been like relatively a lot of women inventors got it and so then they fell and then they laughed then it was funny it was like it worked out great it was my closing bit is the same thing with this the joke that translated uh from portuguese to english and uh i didn't had any problem doing this in to Guise because you don't have that much talking about race and stuff it was not that one the N word but it was a joke that I used to do that I was like I saw this guy with a t -shirt written 100 % black because he was proud of his race or 100%.

[1392] I pointed to the palm of his hand and said 99%.

[1393] He smiled and said 98%.

[1394] That was the joke that I was doing it and I did this joke here where I just translated.

[1395] It's like this literal Right.

[1396] Yeah, yeah.

[1397] So this is a case of joke that I translate.

[1398] It works.

[1399] Yeah.

[1400] Because it's well written, has a good punchline.

[1401] It's everything.

[1402] But people felt very uncomfortable.

[1403] Who?

[1404] Not the black people.

[1405] The people that sit around the black guy.

[1406] That was, I thought it was funny.

[1407] Because it wasn't him.

[1408] He was like laughing.

[1409] Also, do you think it's funny?

[1410] Because all of those people, they didn't feel that they were entitled to laugh around you.

[1411] Oh, right, right, right.

[1412] So it was like, just kind of.

[1413] it was uncomfortable but when I sat up as you know what you talk about race too much and we don't have that in Brazil so sometimes there's some misunderstandings with me I don't so when I put myself in that position then I'm just just a mistake it's not racist it's just I don't speak English that's easy that's when I get a yeah that's what I when I'm free to do the same thing that you did you set up in a different way Well, that's a really interesting angle, too, that really only someone from another country can pursue this angle that, like, you have, the America is a different culture than you're used to.

[1414] And there's probably so many differences.

[1415] Oh, yeah, there's a lot of differences.

[1416] Fucking Kardashians.

[1417] I don't know how you guys squash that shit.

[1418] It's just like four.

[1419] It's like four cheeks fucking hanging around and we are like, I go out and they're so silly.

[1420] There's nothing to it.

[1421] The celebrity thing here and fucking, that's amazing.

[1422] Do you have Instagram celebrities and YouTube celebrities in Brazil like that?

[1423] Same kind of thing?

[1424] Yeah, we do have.

[1425] Yeah, we do have a lot of them.

[1426] And people playing video games and kids, my kid, watch people playing video games.

[1427] Right, yeah.

[1428] It's the same thing.

[1429] It's huge over here.

[1430] Yeah, I know.

[1431] People make millions of dollars playing video games.

[1432] It's crazy.

[1433] Like parents tell their kids, don't be a loser, play video games.

[1434] But, like, wait a minute, what are you talking about?

[1435] These kids are making millions of dollars.

[1436] What is a loser?

[1437] You work all fucking year for 50 grand And this guy is making $500 ,000 a week playing YouTube Yeah Playing fucking videos on YouTube And Twitter It's fucking crazy And YouTube gives give you much more money That it does in Brazil But we have the same speech of Like I have this YouTube channel Call Ida de Barbados in Brazil And we are having a lot of problems We are getting Not monetizing our videos It's the same thing Oh yeah We are suffering to the same problems Well, they don't know exactly what to do because advertisers are very wary about certain content and so they have these deals with these advertisers and so they're trying to suppress content because they don't want to minimize, they don't want to lose revenue.

[1438] So what they're trying to do is make advertisers happy but then the content creators feel like they're being censored and they are being censored but they have to understand what's happening here like this all this stuff costs money.

[1439] Do you get some of your videos?

[1440] All the time.

[1441] Yeah, all the time.

[1442] Fuck, man. That's bad.

[1443] Yeah, they get demonetized.

[1444] They get demonetized if we talk about specific subjects.

[1445] Oh, subjects as well.

[1446] Yep, yep.

[1447] Not even showing images, just talking about the subject.

[1448] Subjects, just subjects.

[1449] And we've talked about them and we've complained about it a little.

[1450] But basically, I mean, Jamie, we kind of take this attitude.

[1451] It's nothing we could do.

[1452] We just kind of keep on trucking.

[1453] You just keep doing it.

[1454] Yeah, because you're building much more than just.

[1455] Yeah, that money is not your money.

[1456] I mean, it's something.

[1457] It's money.

[1458] it could be thousands of dollars for each one that they don't monetize but that's not how I I don't think about it that way I think about it like well what's important what's important is just say what's on your mind and whatever I'm not going to change just so that I get more YouTube ad money that would ruin whatever I'm doing so I think they're going to work it out in a better way eventually but there's also a thing called YouTube Red and with YouTube Red Even if things get demonized, the people that are paying for YouTube.

[1459] See, you pay for YouTube Red so you never get any advertisements.

[1460] And you still, like, if you've got a certain amount of people that are, I think, 50 % of our revenue comes from YouTube Red.

[1461] 50 %?

[1462] Roughly, yeah, it varies to video to video.

[1463] It's just a time -watched kind of cumulative thing.

[1464] Yeah.

[1465] So there's a lot of people are saying, look, I'd rather pay X amount of dollars per month and don't put any ads on.

[1466] And so I think we're moving towards that, that sort of, that model.

[1467] But I understand the process as well.

[1468] There's brands.

[1469] Yeah.

[1470] And they're paying the bills.

[1471] You know what?

[1472] Google is not a...

[1473] It's not free.

[1474] It's not free.

[1475] It's all, all of it is expensive and they're trying to make money, too.

[1476] So, like, the only reason for them to allow someone like you or I to put a video up is they want to be able to profit from it.

[1477] So, I mean, they're not providing a service just because they're good people.

[1478] They're trying to make money.

[1479] Yeah, but the thing which is, it's just easier for us.

[1480] is that our revenue comes from shows and we can do a lot of different stuff.

[1481] But there's people that actually get their money from YouTube.

[1482] Yes.

[1483] And that's the one that are getting hurt.

[1484] Well, in the United States, the real issue is conservative speakers.

[1485] Because all these tech companies, whether it's YouTube or Facebook or what have you, they all lean left.

[1486] They're all very left wing.

[1487] So right -wing people feel like they get censored off of all these platforms before other ones.

[1488] Maybe less on Facebook, right?

[1489] Because Facebook, they actually make money off of people paying attention to shit.

[1490] So the more people argue about stuff, probably the more eyes they get.

[1491] The money that they get, the most of their money is people paying Facebook to promote their content.

[1492] Yeah.

[1493] It's not like...

[1494] Yeah.

[1495] And Facebook doesn't...

[1496] You don't make money off of Facebook, right?

[1497] Is there anybody making money off of Facebook blog posts or...

[1498] Yeah.

[1499] Yeah.

[1500] Yeah, there is people monetizing videos right now.

[1501] Yeah, videos, right.

[1502] It's very recent.

[1503] But not like writing.

[1504] Like, say if you wrote an essay.

[1505] say on Facebook.

[1506] Yeah, they wouldn't pay for that specifically.

[1507] Right.

[1508] But that's where, like, there's a lot of, a lot of people like to comment on things and argue about things.

[1509] And so if you have something controversial on Facebook, there's probably value in that because you're going to get more eyeballs, right?

[1510] There's a lot of value in controversy.

[1511] It's just like what kind of controversy.

[1512] So for YouTube, the big thing is, they, like, if you have, like, well, specifically Twitter, Twitter's been they've had big issues with it Instagram not so much with conservative people right?

[1513] You don't hear that as much?

[1514] I don't think so no. It's more of a Twitter YouTube thing and it's conservatives feel like they're being pushed up because almost overwhelmingly all the tech companies are liberal.

[1515] They're all very left wing and very pro gay rights, trans rights like there's an example of this one woman who's a feminist who said that a woman is not a man or a man is not a woman so like a trans woman he used to be a man and turn into a woman her take is a man is never a woman okay and so they told her you gotta remove this she removed it and apparently took a screenshot of it and posted it up again she was like okay I'll delete that and she took a screenshot and then posted it again like fuck you and so then they banned her for life and now she's suing that woman Megan what is her name um I forget her here I got it right here because someone just sent me something Sam Harris just sent me something about it today her name is Megan Murphy so she's a feminist and she's just like look you can't just become a woman fuck off and so they're like you're ban for life and then everybody's like well you're crazy you can't ban her she's got an opinion how come she can't have that opinion like if that's a biological opinion I mean it might be controversial it might be rude it might be insensitive but it's the same process Joe is the same thing that I lived in Brazil It's like, if the sponsor doesn't want you to say that, how can you argue?

[1516] I don't think that's a sponsor issue, because this is Twitter.

[1517] Because I don't think that's a sponsor issue.

[1518] I think this is a left -weening corporation.

[1519] Oh, do you think it's just about, okay.

[1520] Yeah, they've decided to censor certain type of speech that they think is offensive.

[1521] And she was apparently saying it to the person who was a trans person, like a man is never a woman.

[1522] And by saying that to the trans person, they're saying that it was like targeted harassment.

[1523] But don't you think that at the end of the process, it is about money?

[1524] Because do you think Twitter cared that much?

[1525] I saw the Twitter guy here.

[1526] For me, it didn't look that he cared about much, about the speech side of things, because they are companies.

[1527] So they have to pay their bills and they have to bring sponsors.

[1528] And even brands are more left side of here in this country.

[1529] Well, because that's where it's sensitive, right?

[1530] Because that's where you can get boycotted.

[1531] I think there's definitely something to what you're saying there.

[1532] But I think also, well, yeah, if you're the CEO of a major corporation, like Twitter or something like that.

[1533] You're responsible to your stockholders.

[1534] You're responsible to all the people that work on the board.

[1535] If you want to stay CEO, you've got to continue to make more and more money every year.

[1536] You've got to bring more people to the platform, make the platform more popular, make more money.

[1537] And in their eyes, the way to do that and to maximize that is to limit harassment, limit things.

[1538] So these are our social decisions, but they're also business strategies.

[1539] There's two different things together at the same time.

[1540] Yeah, so it's fucking complex.

[1541] It's tricky.

[1542] Yeah, and they don't know what the fuck they're doing.

[1543] This is uncharted territory.

[1544] I know.

[1545] There's never been a thing like Twitter before.

[1546] There's never been a thing like Facebook before.

[1547] We're a complete uncharted territory in 2019.

[1548] But it's amazing, man. It is amazing to see people like you and me creating our own channels.

[1549] We are our own NBC's.

[1550] Oh, yeah.

[1551] So we don't have to depend on that that much.

[1552] You just, you feel free.

[1553] That's when creativity comes up.

[1554] That's when people start to be creative.

[1555] one new stuff that's so it becomes a threat as well well when you stop and think about the sheer impact like what what was the number that our channel got in terms of minutes watched what was that number looked uh for shit for the year for last year it was 16 .1 billion minutes watched that's more than every human on the planet watching a minute think of that isn't it great it's way more that's way more that's more than double every human on the planet watching for a minute.

[1556] Wow, fuck, man. Yeah, I guess you have some fans.

[1557] But it's not even that.

[1558] It's just, that's the impact.

[1559] The impact of that is insane.

[1560] You know, negative and positive, pro and con, all of it, the whole thing.

[1561] It's like the amount of content that gets put out there and the amount of interactions and the amount of debate that comes from that content.

[1562] It's just, it doesn't make any sense.

[1563] And for me, the only thing I could do is just walk away.

[1564] I don't know what the fuck's going on.

[1565] I just throw it out there and get the fuck away from it.

[1566] You don't read anything.

[1567] You don't read shit.

[1568] I couldn't.

[1569] You don't.

[1570] No, you get caught up in all of it.

[1571] You would get caught up in the negative or maybe even worse, caught up in the positive.

[1572] People kiss your ass.

[1573] You start believing it.

[1574] So I just try to be humble.

[1575] And if there's an overwhelming negative reaction, I hear about it.

[1576] And then I try to adjust and address it and respect.

[1577] I'm in this unique position where I do have this weird sort of platform.

[1578] I saw you're talking about that you thought that you weren't that informed to do the Twitter guy.

[1579] Yeah, that's why I brought Tim Poole in because Tim is a good friend as well.

[1580] I met him in Brazil.

[1581] Yeah.

[1582] He went there to cover our protests.

[1583] Oh, really?

[1584] Yeah.

[1585] No, he's a legitimate, investigative, independent journalist and a real honorable guy and honest and intelligent and well -informed.

[1586] So I knew he was the perfect guy.

[1587] And we're going to do some other things, he and I. We got something that's going to blow people away when that happens.

[1588] That's good, man. She sent me a message yesterday.

[1589] Oh, I saw that you're going on wrong as I was like, yeah, yeah.

[1590] Yeah, I can't talk about it right now, but we've got something cooking that might change the platform.

[1591] You have time to do those things, bro.

[1592] You don't have to do some things.

[1593] You don't have time to do some things.

[1594] Focus on your kids, man. Well, they're in school right now.

[1595] See, the thing is, all this happens while they're in school, and then comedy happens while they're asleep.

[1596] So I have it down to a science.

[1597] You do?

[1598] Yeah, so what it is is they go to school.

[1599] Okay.

[1600] I get up with them.

[1601] Either I take them to school or my wife takes me to school, and then I go either workout, either I do yoga or lift weights or jiu -jitsu or whatever in the morning.

[1602] Then I come here.

[1603] I'm done in the afternoon.

[1604] Then I hang out with them until it's time to eat.

[1605] We eat dinner.

[1606] And then after dinner, they go to bed.

[1607] They go to bed like 8 o 'clock.

[1608] I don't do a set until 10.

[1609] So I leave the house after that.

[1610] And then, you know, I can go there.

[1611] My wife is happy to get rid of me. I go to the comedy store, hang out.

[1612] And then I, so it works.

[1613] I got it down to science.

[1614] That's the life that I wanted.

[1615] Unfortunately, my wife left me because...

[1616] Well, you were talking about that.

[1617] If you want to talk about that.

[1618] I do.

[1619] I don't care.

[1620] It's okay.

[1621] Because it's kind of a crazy story.

[1622] I actually say this on stages on my Netflix special.

[1623] Oh, really?

[1624] Yeah.

[1625] And my wife left me for a cult.

[1626] She joined a cult.

[1627] It was crazy.

[1628] It was, bro.

[1629] It was, man. But it's like one of those self -help cults, right?

[1630] Yes.

[1631] But it is a cult.

[1632] There's a lot of cult.

[1633] very dangerous when one person starts telling another person how you must live your life.

[1634] These are the principles.

[1635] This is what you have to do.

[1636] You have to leave your family.

[1637] You have to quit your job.

[1638] You have to change the way you dress.

[1639] You have to change the way you talk.

[1640] You have to do this and do that.

[1641] When someone tells you that and they get a mass group of people to do things like that, it becomes very dangerous.

[1642] Sometimes it's not that direct.

[1643] Sometimes it's just like, Okay, what was difficult is that her cult was teaching her that you got to love everybody the same, which is awesome if you think about it.

[1644] Jesus did that.

[1645] I think it was the only one who did that.

[1646] Right.

[1647] Jesus was the only one who was like, I don't care.

[1648] I'm not going to have kids.

[1649] Right.

[1650] I'm going to date this prostitute over here, and that's okay.

[1651] Right.

[1652] That was his life.

[1653] And for my, when she got, when you learn that you have to love everybody the same, Why are you going to focus as just one man in a marriage and you have to go home and you kind of live your life to yourself?

[1654] Or maybe she didn't love me anymore and I'm fucking blaming the cost.

[1655] Maybe that would be that too.

[1656] That's what happened.

[1657] Some people are very easily influenced.

[1658] You know, that is a real issue.

[1659] And I worry about that sometimes when I talk to people because like some people say, hey man, they say, hey, you changed my life.

[1660] I'm like, listen, motherfucker, I didn't change shit.

[1661] you changed your life I go I don't even know you I did not change your life don't listen to me all I'm doing is talking to a bunch of people all these people have something to offer everyone has something to offer but it's not me I'm an antenna okay I'm I mean if I'm saying something that resonates with you and it helps you I'm very happy but don't listen to me like I know everything I think it's awesome that you do that but you because you know the power that this have and how you could actually influence in being influenced in their lives You have to be very careful of people that do tell you that they have the answers and they're the one and they're the smart ones.

[1662] And you need to listen to them because those people are fucking dangerous because they can get you to do things that are irreversible.

[1663] They can get you to leave your family.

[1664] They can get you to join this fucking commune and give up all your worldly belongings.

[1665] Then you realize years later, they're fucking crazy like that wild, wild country documentary that we were talking about.

[1666] That's crazy.

[1667] They didn't realize, I mean, these people were, Hollywood, fuck.

[1668] fucking executives and producers, millionaires, people that look like on paper, they have their life in order.

[1669] And they want to go and wear the red clothes and the beads and be a part of this fucking movement.

[1670] People need a reason to live.

[1671] People need explanation for things that they cannot explain.

[1672] And when there's someone that thinks that they know the answers, they can lie.

[1673] Because it's easy.

[1674] It's not going to have someone that is going to say if it's true or not.

[1675] Yeah, that's also the danger of a platform, and that's a danger of something like even this podcast, the danger of any platform.

[1676] Any time we have one person that's talking in front of a microphone and everyone else is listening, it's a weird position to be in.

[1677] And you hear this person through your ear phones or through your computer screen and you start thinking that they're making sense and that they're right because there's no one to counter what they're saying in front of them.

[1678] There's no one with opposing opinions.

[1679] There's no one.

[1680] And you can get, and they can get wrapped up in this position of being a leader as well.

[1681] People get intoxicated by being a leader.

[1682] You know, being, I mean, I've seen it with people that just teach martial arts.

[1683] A lot of martial arts classes turn into like very cult -like places.

[1684] I noticed that especially before the UFC came around because everyone really legitimately believe that their martial arts instructor could kill everyone on the planet.

[1685] Everyone really believed that And they're like the 80s and the 90s Royce teaching them That it was not true Hoyst Hayes crazy Changed the fucking world He really did He changed the whole world And he changed our perception Of what martial arts are And what's effective and what's not But before that I mean I grew up in a taekwino school Which was very disciplined And everyone was sir Like you would call everyone Mr. Smith or you know Mr. O'Malley Everyone Mr. Kim Yes sir If someone said something to me I would always say, yes, sir, yes, sir.

[1686] And it was always bowing.

[1687] It was very strict and very disciplined.

[1688] And I came from a very good school, but I was around a lot of schools that weren't good.

[1689] I saw a lot of very cult -like behavior.

[1690] There was a lot of men who would take advantage sexually of their students, and they would, you know, they would do weird shit to their students, and they would almost like running a little sex cult.

[1691] You're talking about your school or the jujitsu?

[1692] Jiu -jitsu.

[1693] No, karate schools.

[1694] Oh, the karate schools.

[1695] kung fu schools we all knew about that and some of them wound up going to jail i knew i knew guys that went to jail they went to jail for rape yeah and they there was people that like they were in these positions of power where their students looked at them like a god and they took advantage of it and this is uh this is the same thing it's the same thing is what we're talking about here when one person has too much power and influence in a platform one of the beautiful things about jujitsu is it's informality like when like my instructor john jock machado he's the friendliest nicest guy he's a world champion i mean he's super respected by all but when you meet him it's like hey how are you it's all hugs and claps and he doesn't ever pretend to be any any roles with everybody it trains with everyone so it's like the informality and the brothership and camaraderie and the family environment that is fostered by Brazilian jiu -jitsu is very unique in martial arts and that I think is very important because the respect comes from their ability and from leading by example it doesn't come from some fake position of being some master of the death touch and some all -knowing person who at the top of the mountain we all thought our instructor could kill everyone on the planet we really did and when the UFC came along for a lot of people that was just a bucket of cold water thrown in your face like, whoa, that little skinny guy just choked out all those big giant people.

[1696] Like, what the fuck, man?

[1697] And they were doing that for a long time in Brazil, like in beaches and going to houses and going to gyms and just kicking people's faces.

[1698] Fucking, I don't care.

[1699] Yeah, I mean, look, they changed what martial arts are.

[1700] They really did.

[1701] They boiled it down to what's most effective.

[1702] And they took ground fighting and they turned it into this perfect sort of, blend of leverage and technique and knowledge and repetition and training and and they just they revolutionized joint manipulation and strangling people they revolutionized it they changed it to it's a totally different thing there was always submissions in judo there was always catch wrestling which had a lot of great submissions that are still to this day but to put it all together like like ilio did and carlos and all the the gracie clan i mean what brazil did for martial arts is probably one of the single most significant things that's happened in the thousands of years of people fighting each other.

[1703] Pretty amazing, man. Yeah, pretty amazing.

[1704] But at the same time, there was those guys on Shoot Chew Box just fucking...

[1705] Beating the shit out of each other.

[1706] Getting the shit out of each other.

[1707] There was an article that I read recently where Van der Leyen was talking about the, you know, he's having difficulty now because, you know, he's had so many wars he fought for so many years and then he went to some sort of conference on...

[1708] concussions and CTE, and he had 13 of the 15 symptoms.

[1709] Wow.

[1710] Yeah, yeah, and he was talking about it.

[1711] He forgets things, he's impulsive, all these different symptoms he had.

[1712] And then the very next thing he said is, but I want to fight Vitor Belfort.

[1713] He's like, fuck it.

[1714] Vandale is crazy.

[1715] He went to my talk show, and he's crazy.

[1716] He decided not to go like two minutes before he goes and he changed his mind.

[1717] and he's sweet, but at the same time, his right wing, now he was just he tried to go, he became a politician.

[1718] Really?

[1719] He went to be elected, but nobody voted.

[1720] People just liked him.

[1721] People didn't want him to see on, like, Congress or something.

[1722] That's good.

[1723] Brazil gets it.

[1724] Because in America, it's dangerous.

[1725] Now it happens in Brazil too.

[1726] Does it?

[1727] Of course, yeah.

[1728] Give celebrities and run for office.

[1729] Of course, yeah.

[1730] One of our, one of our most famous congressmen was a big brother.

[1731] Oh, no. No. I was a big brother.

[1732] That big brother show is so ridiculous.

[1733] That's the worst way to become a celebrity.

[1734] One of the most watched shows in Brazil.

[1735] That's crazy.

[1736] I don't people watch that much here.

[1737] Do they?

[1738] I don't know anymore.

[1739] Still?

[1740] I think so for sure.

[1741] Well, the crazy thing was Amarosa.

[1742] Amarosa, who was one of the big, she was a big staff in the White House.

[1743] Apprentice.

[1744] Yeah.

[1745] Before that, she was on Fear Factor.

[1746] I, when I was the host.

[1747] I didn't know.

[1748] I had a fucking altercation with her on Fear Factor.

[1749] not a bad one, but she accused me being drunk.

[1750] She was like, because I was asking her question, I was like, that doesn't make sense.

[1751] She was, Joe, you're drunk.

[1752] I'm like, I'm not drunk.

[1753] You can't just say I'm drunk.

[1754] She was ridiculous.

[1755] She was the Fear Factor before the Apprentice.

[1756] No, she was on something else first before the apprentice.

[1757] I think that was it.

[1758] Was she on the apprentice and then Fear Factor?

[1759] Come on.

[1760] Was Fear Factor before the Apprentice before Fear Factor?

[1761] I'm pretty sure she got famous for being on the apprentice.

[1762] She was on the second season maybe.

[1763] Yeah, I remember.

[1764] Why did I think she was on another show first and then the Apprentice.

[1765] She went to another reality show after The Apprentice.

[1766] I don't know I remember that, yeah.

[1767] Well, the crazy thing is she went from the White House to Big Brother.

[1768] She was actually on the first season of the apprentice.

[1769] Oh, what year was that?

[1770] So she was on Celebrity Fear Factor.

[1771] We had a...

[1772] 2003, okay, so she must have been on Fear Factor like 2005.

[1773] She's nice, though.

[1774] She's just but she told me I was drunk I was like what she wasn't elected right she wasn't no no she was appointed by Trump but Trump gave so here's what's fucked up here's what's really I was reading an article about the what the problems with what she did when she was in the situation room and these secured white house rooms she had her fucking phone recording so she's sitting there recording shit in the middle of these these like totally secure rooms she's recorded like Trump is talking she's got her phone there hmm interesting hmm and she's recording everything on her fucking faults and she has like hours and hours of footage of recordings rather which you're not supposed to do it's like you could literally Russians and Chinese and the Iranians and all the anybody that wants to tune in could hack into her fucking phone turn the microphone on and this is absolute proven technology and they're using that to listen in the middle of the situation room.

[1775] So if there's some sort of top secret shit that's going on, some foreign entity could be listening in through her phone while she's recording.

[1776] I don't think they need...

[1777] I don't think they need all of that.

[1778] They just call Trump and ask what happened.

[1779] He'll tell you.

[1780] They're like, what happened?

[1781] They're like, okay.

[1782] Yeah, but I mean, he allowed her this...

[1783] You know, I don't know if she's unstable, but she seems a little unstable.

[1784] That's such a very dangerous thing to do.

[1785] you're not even supposed to bring your fucking phone in those rooms and for her to be recording recording everything.

[1786] That's crazy.

[1787] So crazy.

[1788] But it's so selfish too.

[1789] Like if you are acting in the best, you're in a position when you're working for the White House.

[1790] You're working for Donald Trump.

[1791] He's the president of the United States, the biggest superpower in the fucking world.

[1792] And you're just recording things.

[1793] Like, God, I know that you want to serve yourself.

[1794] I know you want to help yourself out.

[1795] But God, that seems so crazy.

[1796] I mean, if you were Trump and you hired her and you found out she was recording everything in the situation room, you must be like, oh, like in conferences, with like, they're talking about important policy and she's got phone recording and anybody can be listening.

[1797] But if you think about it, like, it's crazy for him to give her some credibility.

[1798] Yeah.

[1799] Because she was an apprentice.

[1800] He liked her.

[1801] And then you think about it.

[1802] Okay, the president of tonight, it's a guy that was running apprentice.

[1803] So I don't think that's...

[1804] He liked her.

[1805] Maybe he felt like, well, look, she's very articulate.

[1806] She's a good -looking woman.

[1807] She knows how to speak well.

[1808] She's got a lot of confidence and power.

[1809] He probably figured she'd be a great politician.

[1810] Perfect.

[1811] I'm a great politician.

[1812] He's probably like, I'm the fucking president.

[1813] I'll make her, she's going to be my left -hand lady or a right -hand lady.

[1814] And it's not that difficult, at least in Brazil, it's not that difficult for famous people to get elected when they were running for a congressman.

[1815] Because there's so many options that if you're known and you get like one person, percent of the voting, you're already elected.

[1816] But if you go run for like a mayor or like a governor or something, it becomes a little trickle because there's like five options.

[1817] And now you're running against real politicians.

[1818] Real politicians.

[1819] They'll actually have a plan.

[1820] Yeah.

[1821] So if you're running against like 200 people, you can shine a little because you're famous.

[1822] Yeah.

[1823] We're starting to see a little bit more than America.

[1824] Like Cynthia Nixon, she was on Sex and the City.

[1825] And then she ran for, which ran for governor in New York, right?

[1826] Oh, yeah.

[1827] Yeah.

[1828] Yeah, so there's a few of that, a few that are starting to branch off into politics now.

[1829] It's...

[1830] I mean, did it happen before Ronald Reagan?

[1831] Because he was, like, he was his famous actor.

[1832] He's the most famous.

[1833] He was a movie star.

[1834] He was a bang, bang, right?

[1835] Yeah, he was the first guy.

[1836] He was like, joking back to the future.

[1837] You mean, like, Ronald Reagan, the movie star?

[1838] Yeah.

[1839] Yeah, that was the first.

[1840] He was also the first that introduced the option or his cabinet was the first.

[1841] they got the people that his his team got the people from the religious right involved religion was not really a big part of voting before ronald ragan but ronald ragan and though that sort of kind of republican they got all these evangelicals christians involved yeah it's the same thing in brazil yeah so what is going on with brazil now with your president yeah there's a huge connection between politics and the church right now the evangelicals and it wasn't that way before?

[1842] It was a little bit.

[1843] It was always something because Brazil is a very evangelical country.

[1844] I don't know if you ever watched, like you were watching at the middle of the night and you turn on your TV and there's this guy talking that he was like, oh, there's a demon that is running over my soul and there's like those TV shows called Stop Suffering.

[1845] Yeah.

[1846] It's more like for the domestic audience.

[1847] This church is everywhere.

[1848] Like Joel Olstein in America.

[1849] know what is it?

[1850] He's a big time evangelical Christian.

[1851] He sells out these giant arenas, like 50 ,000 people come to see him.

[1852] Yes, yes.

[1853] But it's very, it's, it's huge in Brazil.

[1854] And they have like, I don't know, 40 % of the people is evangelical in Brazil.

[1855] I don't have the numbers right now, but the religion is something huge over there.

[1856] So it was something, that's why we didn't evolve in a lot of different discussions.

[1857] talking about abortion is not legal in Brazil not legal at all not legal at all wow just if you're raped just if you're raped or if your kid has like a deformity then you can have an abortion if the woman's life is threatened by the bird yes yes that's the only cases and that discussion was never never happened because everybody's religious if you do like how do you say when you go public and you ask something to the people.

[1858] Like, do you have this here?

[1859] It's just like you have a, a kind of a test.

[1860] We have this in Brazil.

[1861] I don't know how do you say this in English.

[1862] A test.

[1863] Yeah, it's just a test.

[1864] Are you against abortion or a poll?

[1865] A poll.

[1866] A poll.

[1867] Okay, like an opinion poll.

[1868] Yes.

[1869] My second language.

[1870] So sometimes it's a miss a word or two.

[1871] Yeah, I'm going to say that it's my only language.

[1872] So if we do a poll in Brazil, people will be against abortion, against the legalization of abortion and against drugs like selling drugs and everything else.

[1873] What about morning after pill?

[1874] No, it is, you can take that.

[1875] You can take that.

[1876] Okay.

[1877] I don't know.

[1878] I don't know.

[1879] I don't know.

[1880] I don't know.

[1881] I bought some.

[1882] So I didn't in pharmacy, so it's okay.

[1883] I think though.

[1884] I don't know.

[1885] I don't know.

[1886] But you can, abortion is not legal in Brazil.

[1887] Right.

[1888] So we are not having that discussion because now the president is connected.

[1889] to the church.

[1890] Our ex -president called Lula, he's in jail right now.

[1891] He's in jail.

[1892] He was involved in a huge corruption scandal.

[1893] And he was like our hope because he was a poor guy.

[1894] So it was a government that actually helped the poor in Brazil.

[1895] Oh, what happened with him?

[1896] He was involved.

[1897] He had connections with different companies and different industries.

[1898] giving him money and they have this thing called kasha dos is when you're doing a campaign you need to say how much money you're getting from all those different brands and everything so there's thing called kasha dois which is you get money you spend the money there's never went on any banks or anything like that so it's kind of you hide that money that happens a lot in brazil i don't know how to say this in english but it's something that you hide the money that you're getting for a company.

[1899] But if you get elected, you kind of give them favors.

[1900] You help them to get involved in a construct, in a huge construction.

[1901] They're going to be at a stadium.

[1902] Then you help them somehow.

[1903] That was what happening in Brazil.

[1904] So he's in jail now.

[1905] He's in jail.

[1906] And then he elected a woman in Brazil and she was impeached.

[1907] And now we have this right wing guy called Bolsonaro.

[1908] He's our new president.

[1909] And a very right.

[1910] wing and connected to the army and connected to the church so there's a lot of discussions and abortion and drugs and everything that we are not going to have is he popular he's he's huge is he's is he popular and also like hated it is a lot as well yeah of course there's the left hate the guy yeah the things that he said he was like he was kind of crazy but you know people people love and how long has he been the president he's going to be for four years he was just elected he Start on January.

[1911] Oh, okay.

[1912] He just started.

[1913] We don't know what this is going to lead us.

[1914] But the thing is, at the same time, he's more liberal.

[1915] Because the left in Brazil, all this talk about freedom of speech and everything else was in, our left was running the country.

[1916] Now we got this guy and he is more liberal.

[1917] And even talking about the way he's going to run the country, the economy and politics and speech and everything else.

[1918] So there's a little hope in their area as well.

[1919] So it's kind of tricky.

[1920] Because it's a danger in one area and it's kind of a hope in another one.

[1921] I wish I was saying this in Portuguese.

[1922] It would be so much easier.

[1923] You don't even imagine.

[1924] I can understand.

[1925] Because it's like I'm playing thinking.

[1926] Well, listen, brother, let's do a show together.

[1927] My friend, anytime.

[1928] Listen, I'm doing a lot of shows at the improv, the comedy store.

[1929] I'll have you on one of those.

[1930] Thank you, my friend.

[1931] I want to see you do stand -up, man. I would love to do a show too, man. That's cool.

[1932] And I just want to say thank you for everything you've done for stand -up in Brazil.

[1933] I think that's amazing.

[1934] Thanks for doing us, my brother.

[1935] Thank you, man. Thank you very, very much, brother.

[1936] All right.

[1937] Thank you.

[1938] We'll talk soon.

[1939] Bye.